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| 00:25.17 | mysc | hi all |
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| 02:27.31 | unixSnob | what's the inner and outter size of the DC power connector? |
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| 02:35.30 | unixSnob | suspects 2.0mm |
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| 03:17.05 | Navi | Pretty quiet in here |
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| 03:38.10 | Cymor | is away: sleep |
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| 04:12.11 | lopz | night |
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| 04:25.52 | khertan | Hi ! |
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| 04:58.14 | lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes |
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| 05:05.52 | lcuk | khertan, good morning :) even though its raining here it feels like a good day |
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| 05:21.50 | RST38h | lcuk |
| 05:21.57 | lcuk | yer |
| 05:24.37 | lcuk | RST38h, what? |
| 05:25.47 | RST38h | nothing |
| 05:25.50 | RST38h | just saying hi |
| 05:25.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 05:26.11 | RST38h | you have probably got our rain, moving south-west |
| 05:26.12 | lcuk | its been a loooooooooooong night.. |
| 05:26.46 | lcuk | ive got a day of work, then a snooze and im off to linuxtag |
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| 05:49.58 | pupnik | hey lcuk - no sleep for me either |
| 05:50.58 | mysc | how do you know what destination and object path to use for different apps in maemo? i.e. for the desktop systemnote you use org.freedesktop.Notifications |
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| 05:54.42 | mysc | i.e. can you easily get interface/object info from things? |
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| 05:59.43 | mysc | never mind, found it. |
| 06:08.39 | pupnik | can you post the answer mysc? |
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| 06:29.44 | RST38h | hehehe |
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| 06:30.00 | RST38h | just found (again) that MSVC does not provide opendir()/readdir() functionality |
| 06:30.08 | RST38h | So much for "POSIX compatibility" |
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| 06:35.12 | lcuk | they also dont have memory mapped files |
| 06:35.41 | lcuk | pupnik, ive just been out in the middle of nowhere seeing what part of my notes works and what doesnt |
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| 06:50.54 | mysc | sorry pupnik, was afk. i read here: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html |
| 06:52.25 | mysc | johnx, you're a tough man to locate. congrats on the debian, i like it a lot. |
| 06:52.32 | johnx | thanks |
| 06:52.39 | johnx | sorry, have been offline the last couple days |
| 06:52.52 | Khertan_theReal | Morning |
| 06:52.52 | johnx | busy at work and a friend is staying with me |
| 06:53.00 | johnx | mornin' Khertan_theReal |
| 06:53.08 | mysc | i got everything working nicely had it bootable and also chrootable. i never got the wifi working though :( and the card it was on died. |
| 06:53.33 | johnx | what kind of encryption do you user on your network? |
| 06:53.44 | mysc | wpa-psk |
| 06:53.48 | johnx | me too |
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| 06:54.00 | johnx | the sample config in /etc/network/interfaces didn't behave? |
| 06:54.11 | mysc | it didn't! |
| 06:54.53 | johnx | hmm :/ |
| 06:54.53 | mysc | i was about to try out wifi-radar and the card died. |
| 06:55.08 | johnx | that's too bad |
| 06:55.23 | johnx | corrupted FS or completely dead? |
| 06:55.37 | mysc | deader than jimmy hoffa. nothing recognized it. |
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| 06:56.12 | mysc | it was a cheap one so i am not surprised. |
| 06:56.37 | beford | hallo, is there any way to change the DNS servers ip address through GUI on os2008? |
| 06:56.41 | johnx | I lost a 1GB card using it for / on my zaurus back when 1GB cards actually cost something :/ |
| 06:56.55 | johnx | beford, yup, in advanced settings under connectivity |
| 06:57.47 | mysc | yeah, its a pain. anyways, bought some cheap ones. so i will re-install your debian tomorrow. all you do is use the /etc/network/interfaces you have on your wiki? nothing additional (except the forcing of the MAC)? |
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| 06:57.50 | beford | I can see the current dns, but I can't change them |
| 06:59.32 | johnx | control panel -> connectivity -> connections -> select your ap from the list -> next, next, next, advanced, -> ip addresses |
| 07:00.38 | jldiaz | well, more or less NBVNç |
| 07:00.51 | mysc | oh, does anyone here have problems with bt keyboards unpairing after some idle time? i thought pinging it with a "keep alive" script would work, it does keep replying to ping but the pairing is still gone. |
| 07:02.12 | mysc | strange thing is hci reports the connection is there. and the kb replies to pings. so i'm guessing it's an OS bug. |
| 07:03.44 | beford | thanks that worked johnx |
| 07:03.50 | johnx | :) |
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| 07:04.19 | beford | there are some problems with my isp dns server. i'm using opendns nameservers atm :P |
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| 07:05.38 | mysc | no one else suffers this weird bt kb behavior after some idle time? |
| 07:05.46 | johnx | has a usb kb |
| 07:07.48 | beford | doesn't have an external kb |
| 07:08.29 | lcuk | has an 810 and a usb kb and an apple kb |
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| 07:08.34 | lcuk | the apple is amazing :) |
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| 07:11.11 | X-Fade_ | Morning |
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| 07:13.15 | mysc | i am using the apple (apple bt). you don't have the problem lcuk> |
| 07:13.17 | mysc | ? |
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| 07:13.54 | lcuk | i tend to use my kb in bursts, an hour or two, then off for a few days - i always have to reconnect it, i just figured it had gone to sleep |
| 07:14.19 | lcuk | just press the power button on the kb and bash a few keys and it comes back to life |
| 07:14.31 | lcuk | i never have to touch the 810 |
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| 07:14.35 | mysc | yes, that's what i have to do. i thought it was a problem with the pairing. |
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| 07:15.04 | mysc | since the pinging continues. it even provides info to hci calls. so it's not totally asleep. |
| 07:15.08 | lcuk | i just assumed that was the same for all bt keyboards, never been a problem |
| 07:15.39 | beford | what does the blue led indicator mean? |
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| 07:16.29 | mysc | lcuk, maybe i should just deal and not worry. oh, do you ever get repeated letters? there seems to be a firmware patch but you need a mac. |
| 07:16.33 | lcuk | i dunno, i disabled everything on that throbber after it looked like i haad a ghost in bedroom at night |
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| 07:17.12 | johnx | beford, on an n800? "Hey, pay attention to me!" |
| 07:17.22 | lcuk | the repeated letters appears to ONLY occur at the specific moment an event occurs and the cpu is either busy or switching speeds |
| 07:17.37 | beford | yea, on a n810. |
| 07:17.51 | lcuk | i tend to run most of the time tethered and in performance cpu mode so dont encounter this often |
| 07:17.53 | johnx | ah...I don't know what "blue" means on an n810 |
| 07:18.24 | mysc | lcuk, i don't just have to press the on button, i have to keep it pressed to turn it off then turn it on. |
| 07:18.30 | lcuk | there is a similar issue if you try to do too much work whilst stroking the stylus - you dont get a stylus up message and so 2 strokes stick together |
| 07:19.07 | lcuk | (low cpu + regular fullscreen blits make this occur more) |
| 07:19.37 | lcuk | mysc, i dunno, i just press the button till it works, its like activating a wiimote |
| 07:20.07 | mysc | heh. |
| 07:20.13 | lcuk | i dont expect keyboard to maintain an always on connection for days at an end and im shocked it tries to |
| 07:20.53 | lcuk | crap, need to go to work |
| 07:21.14 | beford | I suppose its the same johnx, I have screen + irssi running, maybe that's what makes it 'blink' |
| 07:21.31 | johnx | usually on my n800 it's new email |
| 07:21.35 | johnx | or a new IM |
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| 07:21.46 | lcuk | if anyones interested, heres my notes for the discussion im giving at linuxtag on thursday |
| 07:21.46 | lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes |
| 07:21.48 | johnx | irssi would have to have specific code to blink the light |
| 07:22.40 | lcuk | oh crap - i just woke the house by printing it out! |
| 07:23.38 | beford | actually its not even running on it, I'm sshing to another box |
| 07:24.10 | beford | probably ssh client has that ability(?) |
| 07:24.16 | mysc | dot matrix? |
| 07:24.27 | johnx | beford, I kind of doubt it... |
| 07:24.55 | lcuk | no, just more noise than the silent theres been all night :P im not a luddite |
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| 07:25.02 | johnx | how would it know that the new message you received is worth blinking the light? |
| 07:25.05 | mysc | heh |
| 07:25.28 | lcuk | because it has the evil bit set |
| 07:26.28 | X-Fade_ | I already have that with my gmail and modest. Only inbox mails blink, mails that are tagged do not blink. |
| 07:26.38 | beford | i've no idea. it seems to blink all the time :| going to close everything to check |
| 07:26.52 | mysc | lcuk, ok, i have a dirty workaround. |
| 07:27.17 | mysc | i kill the con, cli, then a keypress forces a recon |
| 07:28.31 | lcuk | so you mess with 8x0 as well as keyboard |
| 07:29.01 | beford | hmm it's still blinking, going to restart it |
| 07:29.05 | mysc | yes, this is assuming i'm ssh'd in which i normally am. if i were in bed i'd use the old no n8x0 method |
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| 07:29.53 | lcuk | KISS approach, i dont see it as a problem requiring resolution |
| 07:31.20 | beford | it still blinks. maybe because wireless is enabled? |
| 07:31.29 | mysc | if there were a way to poll the sleep status, i could cron it |
| 07:33.31 | beford | removes home screen applets and checks again. |
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| 07:35.11 | lcuk | right, off i go |
| 07:35.17 | lcuk | back tonightish |
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| 07:38.22 | mysc | oh john, i am used to my desktop's xorg.conf. where do i edit things in your debian? roxterm for example extend below the viewable desktop - wanna fix that. |
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| 07:39.03 | johnx | xomap only accepts a couple command line options... |
| 07:39.12 | johnx | are you trying to change the resolution? |
| 07:39.48 | mysc | i want the apps to be constrained to viewable area |
| 07:40.15 | johnx | that's a window manager thing |
| 07:40.26 | johnx | you'll want to switch to matchbox I guess |
| 07:40.42 | mysc | where do i edit xfce's config then? |
| 07:40.55 | johnx | it's in .config/xfce4 I believe |
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| 07:41.05 | mysc | ok. will check it upon install. |
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| 07:42.23 | beford | its still blinking :{ |
| 07:42.37 | mysc | before n800 or n810? |
| 07:44.48 | mysc | maybe you have something pending: email received, im received, etc. why don't you just switch all the led things off if it bothers you? |
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| 07:46.50 | beford | n810 |
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| 07:47.51 | mysc | turn off alerts in control panel |
| 07:49.39 | beford | ok.i've just restored original settings, gonna see if that fixes it |
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| 07:50.33 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:52.50 | beford | http://europe.nokia.com/search5/display.jsp?wsid=1000&caseid=65400 |
| 07:53.17 | beford | it seems to be white. although it looks kinda blue to me, and its normal, lol, it means that the device is turned on but the screen is off |
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| 08:04.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:09.17 | hrw | hi Jaffa |
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| 08:14.48 | hrw | guys: is it possible to brick tablet with flashing? |
| 08:15.02 | hrw | NOLO is part of flash process so in theory... |
| 08:15.18 | qwerty12 | If you are unlucky and pull out cable during bootloader flash which only takes a few seconds to do :P |
| 08:15.35 | hrw | or your battery will die during that |
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| 08:16.04 | qwerty12 | I plug mine in anyway, one guy killed his by writing to the bootloader while he was booted in maemo by accident :/ |
| 08:16.23 | qwerty12 | s/mine in anyway/plug my charger in anyway/ |
| 08:16.53 | ralann | hey qwerty12 |
| 08:16.59 | qwerty12 | hi |
| 08:17.05 | ralann | ow goes aleph one? |
| 08:17.30 | ralann | *how |
| 08:17.43 | qwerty12 | I tried and tried but in the end, I can't get it to work at all. I even tried compiling with gcc 4 and that wont do it either :/ |
| 08:17.54 | ralann | mmmm, bummer |
| 08:18.11 | ralann | i may give it a wack this summer on my days off |
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| 08:18.31 | qwerty12 | When it looked like it was gonna work, it complains about a *.a file and I should ranlib it, I do so and it still complains :/ |
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| 08:19.00 | qwerty12 | Best way to start is to get the Mesa3D headers and move them manually to /usr/include/ and disable open-gl at configure time. |
| 08:19.35 | ralann | yeah, that's what i thought i erad you had talked about before |
| 08:19.57 | qwerty12 | Because I wasn't doing that and I had a thousand other errors too :/ |
| 08:20.17 | qwerty12 | Then Cptn_Fish pointed me onto it and I can't deny I got more further |
| 08:22.37 | ralann | i tried marathon in basklisk ii but it needs 256 colors to run and the n810 doesn't do that so i figured id be back onto the porting idea |
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| 08:24.28 | ralann | i was hoping it would be easier than it appears it is going to be. |
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| 08:25.35 | qwerty12 | I hope so too, I hope you get more far, I'm definitely not the best person. |
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| 08:26.27 | ralann | neither am i the best person for the task, but at a minimum i can try |
| 08:28.29 | ralann | anyway, goodluck if you try again, and goodnight |
| 08:28.50 | qwerty12 | Thanks, goodnight (although it's morning here :p) |
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| 08:43.56 | Khertan_theReal | ralann> maybe you can try with minivmac and rom color enabled |
| 08:44.13 | Khertan_theReal | but i don't know if 4Mb ram is enough for marathon |
| 08:50.42 | Mikho | has anyone made a program for N810 which utilizes Bluetooth? |
| 08:51.18 | Mikho | I'm trying to use Bluez, but can't find any example code |
| 08:51.27 | qwerty12 | In what sense? wiicontrol is python program and it uses bluez bindings to pair and use a wii controller for example. |
| 08:51.36 | qwerty12 | ah, just saw 2nd example |
| 08:51.46 | Mikho | plain C program |
| 08:52.30 | kulve | Mikho: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html |
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| 08:53.41 | Mikho | I'm trying to run this http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices but get the following error: Failed to discover devices: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files |
| 08:54.12 | qwerty12 | Try with nokia. in front |
| 08:54.15 | qwerty12 | I think :/ |
| 08:54.36 | Vudentz | Mikho, then hcid is not running |
| 08:54.37 | Mikho | the connectivity guide has total of 4 lines of help for using Bluez |
| 08:54.49 | kulve | Mikho: why do you want to use bluez? |
| 08:54.58 | kulve | Mikho: I don't think that's really supported in ITOS2008 |
| 08:55.00 | Mikho | according to ps aux | grep hcid it is running |
| 08:55.14 | Vudentz | Mikho, try sudo hcid -dnx |
| 08:55.21 | Mikho | I'm really starting to lose interest in using bluez |
| 08:56.36 | Mikho | when sudo hcid -dnx outside scratchbox: hcid[11652]: Could not become the primary owner of org.bluez |
| 08:56.54 | Mikho | inside scratchbox hcid[11671]: Can't connect to system message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
| 08:56.55 | Vudentz | Mikho, then sudo killall -9 hcid |
| 08:58.50 | Mikho | It seems hcid was running, and killing it and restarting it didn |
| 08:58.54 | Mikho | 't change much |
| 08:59.20 | Khertan_theReal | i have same problem using bluetooth discovering in python :( |
| 08:59.46 | Vudentz | Mikho, what bus are you using |
| 08:59.53 | qwerty12 | Khertan_theReal, look into wiicontrol, jldiaz and konttori have done it |
| 08:59.54 | Vudentz | bluez uses system bus |
| 09:00.36 | Vudentz | if bluez doesn't then the bluetooth applet wouldn't work too |
| 09:00.50 | Vudentz | since the latter uses the first |
| 09:02.44 | Mikho | it says in the connectivity guide that bluetooth software of maemo is based on bluez |
| 09:02.49 | Mikho | so it should work |
| 09:03.44 | Vudentz | Mikho, put your code in a pastebin like site and paste the link here |
| 09:03.52 | hrw | kulve: maemo use bluez |
| 09:04.16 | hrw | Mikho: you try inside of scarybox? good luck then |
| 09:04.21 | Vudentz | my bet is that you are using session bus instead of system bus |
| 09:04.38 | Mikho | I don |
| 09:05.16 | Mikho | 't have anything else than the C example from http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices |
| 09:05.51 | Mikho | yes, I'm trying to run the code from inside scratchbox |
| 09:06.13 | hrw | Mikho: bluez started inside of scarybox? dbus started too? |
| 09:06.33 | Vudentz | derr, scratchbox uses qemu and it probably can't emulate bluetooth dongles |
| 09:07.24 | Mikho | cpu transparency is turned off for X86 targets |
| 09:07.52 | Mikho | I guess dbus is started, as maemo environment is running in X server alright |
| 09:08.14 | kulve | hrw: it still doesn't mean it provides all bluez interfaces that a "normal" linux environment with bluez does |
| 09:08.15 | Vudentz | then why you are using scratchbox if you target is x86 |
| 09:08.39 | Mikho | My intention is to switch the target when I want to install in N810 |
| 09:08.59 | hrw | kulve: sure - nokia could destroy it easy |
| 09:09.13 | Mikho | isn't that what the targets are for? |
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| 09:09.56 | kulve | Mikho: I find it easier to just directly use the ARM target for compiling and then copy the stuff to the device and run it there. SB is always different from the real target environment |
| 09:10.37 | Mikho | it's much easier to use the emulator |
| 09:10.46 | qwerty12 | But if it doesn't work? |
| 09:10.56 | hrw | Mikho: there is no full emulation of tablets in qemu |
| 09:11.05 | Mikho | it's worked until now |
| 09:11.15 | hrw | Mikho: even the one which is now in qemu svn is not complete |
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| 09:11.32 | Mikho | so what you're saying that it's impossible to develop bluetooth programs in the emulator? |
| 09:12.07 | hrw | I wonder why you insist on using scarybox for such simple things? |
| 09:12.26 | hrw | Mikho: write it for your desktop, test on desktop and then build for tablet and check does it works |
| 09:13.26 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html |
| 09:13.35 | kulve | "Maemo SDK is not an emulator" |
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| 09:17.27 | Mikho | well, so far everything has worked pretty much allright. The Xephyr window contents have been more or less the same as in N810 screen, and everything has worked the same in both |
| 09:18.03 | Mikho | If I just could access bluetooth from the development environment, it |
| 09:18.06 | Mikho | 'd be great |
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| 09:20.53 | RST38h | kulve: QEmu is though |
| 09:21.47 | Mikho | I guess I'd somehow need to get the bluez service inside the maemo dbus |
| 09:22.20 | lardman | morning |
| 09:23.24 | qwerty12 | morning |
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| 09:24.57 | RST38h | qwerty |
| 09:25.10 | qwerty12 | hello RST38h |
| 09:25.38 | Mikho | sure enough, the code works perfectly outside scratchbox |
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| 09:29.07 | RST38h | Mikho: Solution: Do not use scratchbox, debug on a real device |
| 09:29.51 | RST38h | [that should be in some FAQ section, because Nokia does not make it obvious for developers that scratchbox does not provide complete emulation environment] |
| 09:29.53 | Mikho | RST38h, is there an easy way to do that? |
| 09:30.22 | RST38h | Mikho: install ssh server to device, compile on scratchbox, copy to device with scp, login to device with ssh and run the program |
| 09:33.54 | X-Fade_ | The maemo jobs section seems to be getting alive already ;) |
| 09:33.57 | X-Fade_ | http://maemo.org/jobs/ |
| 09:35.17 | qwerty12 | has to learn to develop and grow up :p |
| 09:35.41 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: And willing to move to Finland ;) |
| 09:35.57 | qwerty12 | Heh, I could do that :) |
| 09:36.40 | RST38h | X-Fade: If dollar falls for another two years, I will be willing to =) |
| 09:37.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: Btw, this page looks terrible in IE. You may want to check that, if it is not done on purpose of course |
| 09:37.54 | qwerty12 | It weeds out the wrong people for open source ;) :p |
| 09:37.59 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: Yeah, I noticed that too. IE messes up again ;) |
| 09:38.03 | RST38h | yea, that is what I suspected |
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| 09:39.04 | RST38h | XFade: How much are the taxes btw? |
| 09:39.21 | X-Fade_ | RST38h: I have no idea. |
| 09:39.25 | zakhary | 50% |
| 09:39.33 | RST38h | Ohshit |
| 09:40.18 | qwerty12 | Man, I thought Norway was only Nordic country with tax rates coming out of their ass |
| 09:40.22 | Mikho | how could you gain root access with N810? |
| 09:40.26 | solmumaha | and it's cold in here |
| 09:40.28 | qwerty12 | ~easyroot |
| 09:40.29 | infobot | i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 09:40.47 | qwerty12 | heh, I live in UK. Cold doesn't surprise me. |
| 09:40.48 | zakhary | depends on how much you earn |
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| 09:41.22 | RST38h | solm: not colder than here |
| 09:41.30 | zakhary | http://www.vero.fi/default.asp?language=ENG&domain=VERO_ENGLISH |
| 09:41.57 | qwerty12 | Ooh, they have Russian too. I wonder how much Russians go to Finland :/ |
| 09:41.58 | solmumaha | RST38h: where is that? |
| 09:42.03 | kulve | Mikho: ssh |
| 09:42.10 | hrw | someone remember which public stations are best for linuxtag? |
| 09:42.30 | RST38h | solm: Moscow |
| 09:42.40 | RST38h | qwerty: A lot |
| 09:42.55 | RST38h | At least judging from our last visit a few years ago |
| 09:43.16 | Mikho | qwerty12, easyroot worked perfectly. thanks! |
| 09:43.17 | zakhary | 40ke/year income would be 26,5% |
| 09:43.34 | RST38h | zakh: that is without dependents? |
| 09:44.13 | zakhary | I only filled yearly income to the calculator |
| 09:45.54 | RST38h | language seems to be more of a problem than weather though |
| 09:46.18 | Mikho | all right, the example code works in N810 too |
| 09:47.59 | RST38h | 28% for singles in 100-150k bracket |
| 09:48.11 | RST38h | Isn't that bad really |
| 09:48.25 | RST38h | (unless there is some OTHER tax not included into this form) |
| 09:49.16 | RST38h | No, wrong, 51% |
| 09:49.46 | solmumaha | well we have all sort of taxes |
| 09:50.19 | solmumaha | i'm sure they'll start to collect gps tax soon :) |
| 09:50.36 | RST38h | in principle, they should start with UK on that =) |
| 09:50.57 | qwerty12 | Agreed, we have a shitload of taxes :/ |
| 09:50.59 | zakhary | 100ke is 38,5%, and 51% for bonuses and if you go over 100k annually |
| 09:51.14 | zakhary | that form should include everything |
| 09:51.18 | RST38h | that is single, no children though |
| 09:51.31 | RST38h | I guess it gets a bit better if you have got a family |
| 09:51.38 | zakhary | language not a problem, ppl understand english |
| 09:51.54 | qwerty12 | Taxes = incentive to get some :p |
| 09:52.32 | RST38h | zakhary: yes, but what language children will speak? |
| 09:53.18 | zakhary | your children if you move? they can go to an english speaking school |
| 09:54.00 | RST38h | Still, it is either isolation or learning Finnish (which looks HARD) |
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| 09:55.03 | glass | most exchange students etc don't bother to learn finnish at all |
| 09:55.07 | kulve | suomi on helppoa kuin mikä |
| 09:55.53 | qwerty12 | I only understood first word :/ |
| 09:55.59 | X-Fade_ | kulve: I guess that is Findland's second language. |
| 09:56.18 | kulve | english being the first? |
| 09:56.45 | X-Fade_ | Ehm I meant "I guess there is also Finland's second language" |
| 09:56.51 | X-Fade_ | Being Swedish.. |
| 09:57.01 | RST38h | There should be a third one, right? |
| 09:57.12 | X-Fade_ | Lappish? |
| 09:57.17 | RST38h | yea, right |
| 09:57.34 | kulve | and savoish |
| 09:57.40 | X-Fade_ | Ruski? |
| 09:58.00 | RST38h | Russian probably does not qualify |
| 09:58.03 | X-Fade_ | Finland has been occupied by a lot of countries ;) |
| 09:58.23 | RST38h | Just two |
| 09:58.33 | RST38h | If we discount Germany of course |
| 09:59.00 | Mikho | finland occupied by germany? |
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| 09:59.36 | RST38h | Well, was it considered occupation or friendly annexation in WWI? |
| 09:59.40 | RST38h | WWII, sorry |
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| 09:59.55 | solmumaha | they just didn't want to leave |
| 10:00.21 | qwerty12 | Nokia is so vain : http://www.mattigronroos.fi/Tiet/Vt3_TampereE.jpg |
| 10:00.23 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 10:00.31 | solmumaha | so we ran them out, but they did manage to get santa :( |
| 10:00.34 | qwerty12 | (yes, I know Nokia is town) |
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| 10:04.16 | RST38h | solmumaha: As long as they got molested by Rudolph the reindeer at the end... |
| 10:04.17 | hrw | RST38h: but even if Finland was with Germany during ww2 they tried to not make russia angry too much |
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| 10:04.40 | Mikho | nice! I got bluetooth working inside scratchbox |
| 10:04.55 | RST38h | hrw: well, they just had a satisfactory war with Russia |
| 10:05.10 | Mikho | it seems the automatically launched hcid interfered with the hcid launched inside scratchbox |
| 10:05.34 | RST38h | hrw: Finns won, Russians reduced the border length, each side took their corpses and walked away happy |
| 10:06.13 | hrw | RST38h: during Lenningrad siege Finns do not helped Germans and tried to not make problems for Russian trucks with supplies |
| 10:06.51 | RST38h | hrw: Afaik they could not, for geographic reasons, but I may be wrong |
| 10:07.20 | RST38h | One way or another, the subject never came up |
| 10:07.40 | Mikho | Vudentz, thanks for the tip |
| 10:10.36 | Vudentz | Mikho, no problem |
| 10:15.06 | jumpula | afaik there was some pressure for the german leadership to attack leningrad, but mannerheim (the supreme commander of the finnish army) refused up to the end |
| 10:16.12 | jumpula | which, i guess, partly convinced staling that finland is in the end mostly harmless and more trouble than it's worth.. |
| 10:16.18 | jumpula | *stalin |
| 10:16.49 | RST38h | the guy was an officer in Russian Imperial Army =) |
| 10:17.06 | RST38h | anyways, lunch time |
| 10:17.06 | jumpula | yes |
| 10:17.37 | jumpula | and he did fight for russian empire in his time, too :) |
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| 10:32.37 | qwerty12 | Does anyone have a libgsl compiled already for ARM/Maemo? Would save me a shitload of time :/ |
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| 10:53.34 | lardman | qwerty12: I think I've compiled that before, I just took the standard debian source package |
| 10:54.03 | qwerty12 | Thanks, but no matter, I've compiled it now and packaged up the cvs version :) |
| 10:54.04 | lardman | qwerty12: it was before the time of extras (well of easyish access to extras) |
| 10:54.14 | lardman | qwerty12: push it to extras ;) |
| 10:54.49 | qwerty12 | Adding stuff to extras scares me & I'm sure I've versioned it wrong :/ |
| 10:55.19 | lardman | I know the feeling :) |
| 10:58.12 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: Try to upload it to the autobuilder ;) |
| 10:58.22 | qwerty12 | X-Fade_, Where is that? |
| 10:58.24 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: We can always use more testers :D |
| 10:58.53 | keesj | X-Fade_: let me first write software |
| 10:59.13 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Try the assistant for example. |
| 10:59.45 | qwerty12 | Ok, it sounds cool but where is step 2? :p |
| 11:00.38 | X-Fade_ | I guess you don't have rights yet? |
| 11:01.06 | X-Fade_ | It should tell you where to get those. |
| 11:01.40 | qwerty12 | I think my cookies are messing up, it says I am logged in but another page says I am not. Trying in Opera... |
| 11:02.35 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: It uses the garage cookie, I guess. |
| 11:03.21 | qwerty12 | Ok, trying again :/ |
| 11:04.05 | RST38h | back |
| 11:04.21 | qwerty12 | I logged into garage and I still only get step 1. |
| 11:04.44 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: What does it say in the yellow bubble? |
| 11:04.56 | qwerty12 | Don't get a yellow bubble :/ |
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| 11:05.42 | qwerty12 | The moblock is disabled and it does in firefox and opera (no ad blocking things installed) |
| 11:07.02 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: And now? :) |
| 11:07.48 | Khertan_theReal | arg .... i ve lost my gpg private key again ! |
| 11:07.49 | Khertan_theReal | pfff |
| 11:07.59 | qwerty12 | Still the same :/. I'll try logging in again (thanks btw :)) |
| 11:08.05 | *** part/#maemo guaka (n=guaka@78-27-41-41.dsl.alice.nl) |
| 11:08.11 | Khertan_theReal | maemo maintainer will finish by hating me to ask again and again invite ... |
| 11:08.12 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: Nah, reload the page now? |
| 11:08.13 | qwerty12 | Wait, it's working! |
| 11:08.16 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 11:08.34 | X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: That would be me ;) |
| 11:08.57 | Khertan_theReal | lol :) |
| 11:09.18 | Khertan_theReal | i ve receive a mail from another person too ... how many are you ? |
| 11:09.25 | X-Fade_ | thinks khertan needs public flogging ;) |
| 11:10.08 | Khertan_theReal | thinks ... bah ... this my fault :) |
| 11:10.25 | Khertan_theReal | yes yes yes again ! |
| 11:10.26 | Khertan_theReal | :) |
| 11:10.30 | X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: invitation is on the way. |
| 11:10.43 | Khertan_theReal | thx |
| 11:10.58 | Khertan_theReal | now i ll test my backup tool before :) |
| 11:11.03 | qwerty12 | hates having to do dirty hacks to package programs :/ |
| 11:11.11 | X-Fade_ | But please, this must be the 10th time orso. |
| 11:11.21 | Khertan_theReal | why do u make dirty hack |
| 11:11.35 | Khertan_theReal | X-Fade_> yes this should be 11 if i remember ... |
| 11:12.12 | qwerty12 | Some programs compile fine with ./configure & make but when dpkg-buildpackage tries ,it messes it up totally so I stop it from cleaning the package. And just now, I made a package by symlinking to it's old name :/ |
| 11:12.12 | Khertan_theReal | the first third key was made with an algo that can"t be used from a nit |
| 11:12.22 | X-Fade_ | qwerty12: I ported a few libs by just grabbing the debian source package, set myself as maintainer and make a source package to upload to the builder. |
| 11:13.08 | qwerty12 | Brilliant, I've already compiled gsl now and I've versioned that wrong so I won't upload that one :/ |
| 11:13.15 | Khertan_theReal | X-Fade_ > your auto builder is publicly available now ? |
| 11:13.30 | X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: Sure, to more testers the better. |
| 11:13.32 | Khertan_theReal | grat ! |
| 11:13.35 | Khertan_theReal | great ! |
| 11:13.41 | X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: You now also get status mails. |
| 11:14.00 | Khertan_theReal | i ll try it with gtksourceview :) |
| 11:14.31 | Khertan_theReal | ill go eating ... |
| 11:14.32 | Khertan_theReal | brb |
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| 11:16.53 | qwerty12 | Anyone know the right values for -march and -mtune? |
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| 11:18.58 | RST38h | -march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ej-s |
| 11:19.05 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 11:24.47 | lardman | Right I'm off, see some of you in Berlin |
| 11:25.21 | X-Fade_ | I still have some free LinuxTag tickets left, anyone interested? |
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| 12:02.29 | Zombie3 | greetings programmers |
| 12:02.39 | Zombie3 | there's a bunch of patches for dbus-glib in https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/dbus-glib/debian/ |
| 12:02.55 | Zombie3 | is Kimmo or whoever around? |
| 12:03.18 | Zombie3 | I'm here to nag people to report those upstream to Debian/D-Bus |
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| 12:04.18 | Robot101 | Zombie3: a few of them are from upstream anyway |
| 12:04.53 | Zombie3 | not the one I just bumped into in Debian, and the Debian and D-Bus guys don't seem to know about them |
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| 12:05.51 | Robot101 | 08-fix-pending-call-remove.patch looks like it causes leaks |
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| 12:18.30 | Jaffa | Aww, how sweet - Darius is posting his CV to maemo-dev asking for a job at Nokia :-) |
| 12:19.07 | Jaffa | Oh, and he's "already contacted Chairman of the Board at Nokia, ...@ |
| 12:19.20 | X-Fade_ | Lol ;) |
| 12:19.21 | RST38h | show me show me |
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| 12:19.37 | RST38h | is bored, testing stuff |
| 12:20.22 | Jaffa | RST38h: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-May/033506.html |
| 12:20.44 | RST38h | thanks =) |
| 12:20.57 | Jaffa | I'm fairly sure most of his content is drivel, but it's so hard to read I'm not entirely sure |
| 12:21.41 | X-Fade_ | I'm thinking we just have to add a html filter to the mailinglist and be done with it ;) |
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| 12:22.23 | RST38h | Wants to be a think tank |
| 12:22.40 | X-Fade_ | But he now signs with this 'real name' ;) |
| 12:22.47 | RST38h | So, any bets whether it is the weed or the mushrooms? |
| 12:23.25 | RST38h | "But I am afraid, Nokia has no department I could negotiate IP transfer with, |
| 12:23.27 | RST38h | as no Think-Tank position is established" |
| 12:24.21 | GAN800 | He's so cute! |
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| 12:24.41 | RST38h | He's abusing substances, that is for sure |
| 12:24.53 | RST38h | OR he is a high school student |
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| 12:25.37 | X-Fade_ | English is not his first language. |
| 12:25.53 | RST38h | not mine either |
| 12:26.24 | Khertan_TheReal | re |
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| 12:27.09 | GAN800 | wants a Darius Think-Tank. |
| 12:27.16 | Khertan_TheReal | huhu with have an flood at my work in the server room |
| 12:27.33 | RST38h | GAN: Maybe to participate in a battle-bot contest? |
| 12:27.42 | GAN800 | Go play in the puddles! |
| 12:28.13 | GAN800 | Bingo, RST38h! :D |
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| 12:29.07 | Khertan_TheReal | the community is in permanent competition ??? |
| 12:29.18 | Khertan_TheReal | where does it see that ? |
| 12:29.56 | GAN800 | challemges Khertan to a duel. |
| 12:31.21 | Khertan_TheReal | a duel ? |
| 12:31.39 | Khertan_TheReal | i choose sword ... |
| 12:31.43 | Khertan_TheReal | choose your weapon ... |
| 12:31.44 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 12:33.04 | summatusmentis | so... _hopefull_ my N810 will come today |
| 12:33.51 | Khertan_TheReal | oh ! i understand it talk about this : http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 12:33.57 | Khertan_TheReal | s/it/he |
| 12:34.03 | Khertan_TheReal | s/talk/talks |
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| 12:35.04 | Khertan_TheReal | buries 7.5 |
| 12:35.04 | Khertan_TheReal | favourites 2 |
| 12:35.15 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... |
| 12:35.38 | pupnik | RST38h: what sound backend do you use for iNES? |
| 12:37.22 | pupnik | speaking of CV's, /me thinks RST38h's cv is awesome |
| 12:37.54 | pupnik | is turning into a bit of a fanboi |
| 12:38.17 | pupnik | (a symptom of not being productive myself perhaps) |
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| 12:44.24 | GAN800 | chooses a Howitzer. |
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| 12:46.13 | Jaffa | pupnik: I must update mine, since I'm meeting with Head of HR tomorrow after moaning a bit about being underappreciated on my evaluation |
| 12:46.15 | RST38h | pupnik: EMULib SndUnix hacked to use ESD |
| 12:46.33 | RST38h | pupnik: The source code can be found inside ColEm src distro |
| 12:47.08 | RST38h | never really worked on his CV, it just happened that way, sorry |
| 12:47.56 | RST38h | pupnik: It will play arbitrary waveform buffer or do Sound(Channel,Frequency,Volume) thing |
| 12:48.26 | GAN800 | By the bye, Jaffa, did you notice #3161? :D |
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| 13:10.14 | hrw | I removed my CV long time ago |
| 13:10.36 | hrw | now I mostly point to my resume and linkedin |
| 13:12.14 | summatusmentis | how does a CV and resume differ? |
| 13:12.28 | summatusmentis | s/does/do/ |
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| 13:16.40 | RST38h | summa: European CV = American resume |
| 13:16.53 | RST38h | CV usually includes more personal details |
| 13:17.38 | andre___ | yupp, my CV includes more personal info than my resumé - probably a cultural thingy |
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| 13:19.29 | hrw | summatusmentis: my resume is technical - nothing personal, just knowledge and where did I worked |
| 13:19.32 | hrw | that stuff |
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| 13:23.35 | dakylla | hi there |
| 13:24.00 | dakylla | whare can i download maemo garage source code, if tehre are any |
| 13:24.29 | summatusmentis | personal info? like, what your interests/hobbies/etc. are? |
| 13:24.49 | GAN8001 | dakylla, for a garage project or for the garage itself? |
| 13:25.35 | dakylla | the garage itself |
| 13:26.13 | hrw | dakylla: thats gforge |
| 13:26.23 | hrw | summatusmentis: that sort |
| 13:26.31 | dakylla | ok, i did not know |
| 13:26.44 | dakylla | and what about the project webpage ? |
| 13:27.04 | dakylla | i read somewhere the source where available too |
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| 13:28.10 | dakylla | im asking cause we have a project a creating an open wireless board, and we would like not to start from level 0 |
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| 13:39.11 | Jaffa | GAN800: yeah, saw that: woohoo :-) |
| 13:39.49 | GAN8001 | We'll see if anything actually gets rolling Nokia side, though. |
| 13:39.56 | GAN8001 | At least we have a place to put stuff. |
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| 13:40.16 | Jaffa | Indeed |
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| 13:44.00 | VRe | nice, hello-world-app does not compile in scratchbox installed with maemo-4.0.1 -scripts .. config.sub points to cs2005q3.2-glibc and cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5 is installed by default |
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| 13:57.32 | RST38h | summa: more like details on schools and activities |
| 13:57.50 | RST38h | too much peronal stuff is harmful, especially in a resume |
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| 14:01.30 | summatusmentis | RST38h: yeah, that makes sense |
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| 14:53.21 | johnx | hey qwerty12 :D |
| 14:53.47 | qwerty12 | hello johnx :) |
| 14:53.58 | johnx | quiet in here tonight O_o |
| 14:54.42 | qwerty12 | Yeah :/ and for me, it's only afternoon :/ |
| 14:55.04 | johnx | well it's night here, but I just got off work :/ |
| 14:55.11 | summatusmentis | hopefully my N810 comes, and then I can bug you guys |
| 14:55.58 | johnx | so what other linuxy ARM system do you have. I see you on #angstrom from time to time :) |
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| 14:56.24 | qwerty12 | has a Pocket PC with Linux, does that count? :p |
| 14:56.35 | johnx | qwerty12, sure, which one? |
| 14:56.46 | summatusmentis | me? I've got a 3200, and a 5500, Zaurus |
| 14:57.06 | johnx | heh...similar purchasing habbits to me :D |
| 14:57.13 | johnx | collie -> akita -> n800 |
| 14:57.14 | qwerty12 | Fujitsu Siemens Pocket LOOX. I use Linux in the loosest sense as I have to reformat flash each time to use it :D |
| 14:57.21 | qwerty12 | *Pocket Loox 720 |
| 14:57.36 | summatusmentis | I'm probably selling my terrier, so I can justify my n810 |
| 14:57.42 | johnx | ah |
| 14:57.57 | summatusmentis | although, we'll see :) |
| 14:58.12 | qwerty12 | goes off to modify latest diablo image :/ |
| 14:58.14 | summatusmentis | I'd like to get collie viable again |
| 14:58.14 | johnx | different for me I guess since my n800 has no physical included keyboard |
| 14:58.22 | johnx | me too. :/ |
| 14:58.27 | johnx | collie was such a nice form factor |
| 14:58.27 | summatusmentis | yeah, that would make the difference to me |
| 14:58.48 | summatusmentis | it could be such a nice device, if ithe 2.6 effort would speed up |
| 14:59.00 | summatusmentis | know anything about kernel hacking? |
| 14:59.06 | johnx | nah |
| 14:59.13 | johnx | not even much about regular hacking |
| 14:59.39 | summatusmentis | well, that's no fun :) Me neither, hopefully at the end of the summer I will though, because otherwise google won't pay me |
| 14:59.48 | johnx | ah |
| 14:59.48 | qwerty12 | knows a bit about hacking the N800 but when it comes to programming or disassembling, thats when I run :p |
| 15:00.03 | johnx | summatusmentis, nothing like sink or swim to motivate you, eh? |
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| 15:00.26 | summatusmentis | johnx: I guess so... I kinda jumped in, got accepted, and then decided I should've picked a different project :) |
| 15:01.44 | johnx | qwerty12, does that "boot from usb hard drive" thing work?! O_o |
| 15:02.25 | qwerty12 | No idea, don't have a usb adapter to try it with |
| 15:02.32 | johnx | ah, sadness |
| 15:02.38 | qwerty12 | The original initfs (ie unmodified) has the same option too |
| 15:02.39 | johnx | I guess I should be a guinea pig then |
| 15:02.47 | qwerty12 | Just no menu to select it with |
| 15:03.11 | qwerty12 | (set-root-device:sda or usb should do it though) |
| 15:03.26 | johnx | I suppose so since everything is actually in the kernel |
| 15:03.34 | johnx | I guess I'm used to zaurus altboot |
| 15:04.13 | summatusmentis | is the n8x0 series similar enough to a zaurus boot sequence? |
| 15:04.23 | summatusmentis | how easy would it be to port altboot to maemo? |
| 15:04.30 | johnx | summatusmentis, that's what bootmenu does |
| 15:04.37 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 15:04.40 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 15:04.52 | johnx | bootmenu seems quite a bit simpler too |
| 15:05.19 | qwerty12 | uses a modified bootmenu |
| 15:05.21 | summatusmentis | well, from what i understand from CoreDump, altboot was a bit hackish anyway, as it's not a bootloader |
| 15:05.32 | johnx | neither is bootmenu |
| 15:05.41 | johnx | both are just tools to pivot_root and run an alternate initfs |
| 15:05.56 | johnx | s/initfs/init/ |
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| 15:06.18 | summatusmentis | oh... I should learn what I'm talking about before I just start spitting words out of my mouth |
| 15:06.38 | johnx | nah...you're mostly on the right track |
| 15:06.49 | qwerty12 | Actually, choosing to boot from another source is actually a feature of the original initfs. Fanoush made it into a menu and some other stuff (mmcblk files etc) |
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| 15:09.18 | qwerty12 | is so glad I took the time to find out the diablo password |
| 15:09.43 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: is there a reason to run diablo over.... chinook(?) |
| 15:09.51 | qwerty12 | Yep, I'm running initfs version 2008-20, latest is 2008-21. |
| 15:09.52 | johnx | summatusmentis, bug fixes :/ |
| 15:09.54 | qwerty12 | Not really :/ |
| 15:10.06 | qwerty12 | newer flash is great though |
| 15:10.14 | summatusmentis | johnx: big bugs? |
| 15:10.19 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: what do you mean? |
| 15:10.34 | qwerty12 | Well, it can actually play videos of youtube now |
| 15:10.48 | johnx | summatusmentis, small annoying bugs |
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| 15:11.23 | summatusmentis | johnx: fair enough, but bugs that manifest themselves pretty often. |
| 15:11.33 | johnx | yeah |
| 15:11.40 | johnx | some browser text input stuff |
| 15:12.18 | johnx | probably doesn't affect the n810 much since it has a hardware keyboard |
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| 15:12.35 | summatusmentis | h |
| 15:12.36 | summatusmentis | ah* |
| 15:13.28 | qwerty12 | instantly notices lag after modprobeing mtd2ram with 88MB :/ |
| 15:13.58 | johnx | qwerty12, I'd be interested to hear if it works with a smaller value, like 10MB or so |
| 15:14.51 | qwerty12 | I tried total_size=65536 but it wouldn't work but I wasn't sure what I was doing then. |
| 15:14.58 | Khertan_TheReal | ah |
| 15:15.10 | Khertan_TheReal | home connection drops .... |
| 15:15.14 | qwerty12 | I know for sure I wouldn't have been able to do this on my old computer :p |
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| 15:16.36 | lopz | hi |
| 15:16.51 | qwerty12 | has it. The latest initfs mounted. (BTW: I can share a tarball if you don't have the memory, time whatever to mount it) |
| 15:17.07 | qwerty12 | You don't need a truckload of memory to run mkfs.jffs2 |
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| 15:18.11 | johnx | qwerty12, nah. I'm happy for now. I don't really want to tempt fate here since I use my n800 every day |
| 15:18.29 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:18.42 | johnx | maybe I'll poke at it on thursday when I have some time |
| 15:18.46 | Navi_ | Woo, tempting fate \o/ |
| 15:19.09 | johnx | heeey, fate! yeah that's right, over here. *lightning strikes* |
| 15:19.25 | Navi_ | awesome |
| 15:19.32 | qwerty12 | really hopes fanoush or pancake reverse engineers CAL |
| 15:20.42 | qwerty12 | Best I can do with CAL = http://i26.tinypic.com/2znv3gx.png |
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| 15:22.50 | johnx | you mean just edit the version string? |
| 15:23.05 | qwerty12 | Yeah, but CAL stores so much more |
| 15:23.23 | johnx | such as? |
| 15:23.51 | qwerty12 | RD flags, MAC address etc - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20465 |
| 15:24.06 | johnx | iiiinteresting |
| 15:24.08 | qwerty12 | WLAN channels are there too |
| 15:24.15 | johnx | fun |
| 15:24.28 | johnx | do you know if CAL sets that stuff or wlancond? |
| 15:24.37 | qwerty12 | wlancond will get values from CAL |
| 15:24.49 | johnx | ok, I'll shut up and RTFM now :) |
| 15:24.54 | johnx | reads the thread |
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| 15:27.10 | johnx | huh |
| 15:27.22 | johnx | I'm glad debian doesn't have to pay attention to wlancond/CAL |
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| 15:28.57 | GAN8001 | X-Fade_, ping. |
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| 15:30.09 | qwerty12 | w00t, linuxrc is same. Much less work for qwerty |
| 15:30.54 | hrw | ok - I go to linuxtag |
| 15:31.09 | johnx | have fun, hrw :) |
| 15:31.10 | X-Fade_ | GAN8001: Yep. |
| 15:31.10 | qwerty12 | Show off N800 emulation :) |
| 15:31.29 | GAN8001 | Need some retardation assistance with Downloads. |
| 15:31.40 | GAN8001 | Trying to create a listing for Advanced Backlight |
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| 15:31.46 | hrw | qwerty12: that would require taking laptop with me |
| 15:31.49 | GAN8001 | It's not in Extras yet, so what to put for the .install? |
| 15:31.57 | qwerty12 | hrw, Ah :) |
| 15:32.28 | hrw | qwerty12: I plan to take only required stuff - laptop is not one of those |
| 15:32.34 | X-Fade_ | GAN8001: A link to a .install file, or put the info in editable .install. |
| 15:32.47 | hrw | n810 with maemo-mapper filled with berlin maps +_ garnet-vm with metro |
| 15:33.24 | qwerty12 | hrw, nice |
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| 15:33.40 | pupnik | thank you RST38h i will like to look at that later sometime. feeling very weak atm |
| 15:33.48 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, Your package needs to be in a repo before an install file is of any use |
| 15:34.11 | GAN8001 | Right, it's not in a repo, so where do I point to the .deb? |
| 15:34.38 | pupnik | communication breakdown? |
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| 15:35.04 | pupnik | GAN8001: just host the .deb somewhere until you put it in repo |
| 15:35.14 | GAN8001 | lol |
| 15:35.18 | qwerty12 | Or turn your garage page into a repo :p |
| 15:35.27 | qwerty12 | The mytube guy does that :/ |
| 15:35.33 | pupnik | whoah |
| 15:35.46 | GAN8001 | So I'm creating an entry for Advanced Backlight, I don't see a field for a link to a .deb |
| 15:35.49 | GAN8001 | just the .install |
| 15:35.52 | pupnik | i keep reading GANBOOl |
| 15:35.55 | GAN8001 | So where do I put the link to the .deb? |
| 15:36.03 | pupnik | on a webpage? |
| 15:36.15 | GAN8001 | Rather, an entry for Downloads. |
| 15:36.31 | qwerty12 | I'd say leave it out (from what I know, its optional) and set the homepage to the deb and edit the page when you have it in a repo |
| 15:36.43 | pupnik | sorry i'm not understanding |
| 15:36.44 | X-Fade_ | GAN8001: Well, a bad hack is to add the link to the deb in the .install field ;) |
| 15:36.55 | GAN8001 | OK, that's what the theme guys seem to do |
| 15:37.03 | GAN8001 | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ |
| 15:37.05 | GAN8001 | That, for example. |
| 15:37.13 | X-Fade_ | But it is better to just upload it to extras ;) |
| 15:37.21 | qwerty12 | konttori! :O |
| 15:37.32 | GAN8001 | X-Fade_, rm_you's job |
| 15:37.34 | GAN8001 | and he's lazy. |
| 15:37.44 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 15:38.01 | johnx | GAN800, as rm_you's representative I authorize you to do it :D |
| 15:38.14 | X-Fade_ | GAN8001: Presure him :D |
| 15:38.15 | GAN8001 | Whew, communications breakdown for sure, pupnik. Glad that's cleared up. :P |
| 15:38.17 | johnx | if he gets cranky over it, tell him it's my fault |
| 15:38.19 | GAN8001 | I have been |
| 15:38.38 | GAN8001 | I'm the official Developer Annoyer for Advanced Backlight. ;) |
| 15:39.14 | qwerty12 | hopes rm_you gets round to doing some of those todo's... |
| 15:40.33 | GAN8001 | X-Fade_, is the any documentation on the Downloads submission process? I'd like to have two pages (or one page) that I can throw at developers when they do things like creating their own repos. Got the one for Extras, but I haven't seen anything for Downloads. |
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| 15:42.20 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again |
| 15:42.45 | X-Fade_ | GAN8001: There is this: https://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/ |
| 15:42.53 | X-Fade_ | But it needs updating ;) |
| 15:43.07 | Khertan_n810 | how can i debug a problem with an app that work when launched from xterm and not from program menu ? |
| 15:43.24 | Khertan_n810 | i suppose that it s a problem with .desktop |
| 15:43.26 | qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, You aren't using DBUS by any chance are you? |
| 15:43.38 | Khertan_n810 | but don't see why |
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| 15:44.04 | Khertan_n810 | app have a d-bus services file |
| 15:44.16 | X-Fade_ | bbl, need to do some last minute shopping :) |
| 15:44.29 | Khertan_n810 | file seems the same as my other file |
| 15:44.30 | qwerty12 | Check if everything is right. I made a dodgy dbus setup and after 15 seconds, the app would crap out on me |
| 15:44.34 | Khertan_n810 | s/file/app |
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| 15:45.13 | Khertan_n810 | it s seems right but i think it just a simple thing i ven t see (many time) |
| 15:45.32 | hrw | ok - first maemo talk in on thursday 12:00? |
| 15:45.53 | Khertan_n810 | and i m a bit tired to read it again and again :) |
| 15:47.47 | Khertan_n810 | it s why i ask if there is a log somewhere |
| 15:48.18 | qwerty12 | *cough* is sisusbvga.ko the name of the module by Graham Cobb for his USB VGA thing? |
| 15:50.31 | GAN8001 | Likely |
| 15:50.50 | qwerty12 | Seems like Nokia have been a little naughty then :p |
| 15:51.21 | GAN8001 | Hmm? |
| 15:51.27 | qwerty12 | They have included it in Diablo initfs |
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| 15:57.43 | Jaffa | No, it's a normal Linux driver |
| 15:57.47 | Jaffa | It's good they've included it |
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| 15:58.02 | qwerty12 | Ah, cool, thanks |
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| 16:04.49 | qwerty12 | well, my latest rip of the latest diablo initfs works. But my CAL is one flash away from corrupting: "RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.21-4_PR_MR0�����{�| |
| 16:04.49 | qwerty12 | " |
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| 16:09.08 | hrw|gone | qwerty12: fiasco image?? give me ;D |
| 16:09.43 | qwerty12 | no fiasco image, sorry :p |
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| 16:10.30 | qwerty12 | really should run 0xffff sometime to make a rootfs... |
| 16:10.59 | forge | :) |
| 16:12.00 | hrw|gone | qwerty12: install diablo, remove crap (videos etc) and share rootfs ;) |
| 16:12.06 | hrw|gone | -> really away now |
| 16:12.17 | qwerty12 | hrw|gone, Toooo late for that |
| 16:12.32 | qwerty12 | starts making moblock packages for maemo. Seeing as we have transmission and gtk-gnutella thanks to pipeline... |
| 16:12.40 | Khertan_n810 | this .desktop will make me crazy ! |
| 16:12.40 | GAN800 | How would that be any different from redistributing the repo packages? |
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| 16:13.04 | qwerty12 | I don't plan on distributing the rootfs |
| 16:13.09 | GAN800 | Licensing issues there, you wont avoid a take down doing that. |
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| 16:13.32 | qwerty12 | you would still need linux/mac to flash a rootfs anyway :/ |
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| 16:17.24 | Khertan_n810 | can i reproduce the program menu launch process from xterm ? |
| 16:17.57 | MangoFusion | just got a new iphone today |
| 16:17.58 | MangoFusion | http://www.cuppadev.co.uk/2008/05/27/nPhone.jpg |
| 16:18.03 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 16:18.32 | johnx | heh |
| 16:18.37 | MangoFusion | </sad joke> |
| 16:18.58 | johnx | I always forget how comparitively low the iphone screen res is |
| 16:19.13 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 16:20.12 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 16:20.20 | GAN800 | MangoFusion, poor thing's trapped in your N800 (or is it, your poor N800 has an iPhone trapped in it? :D). |
| 16:20.34 | MangoFusion | hahaha |
| 16:20.38 | johnx | GAN800, they'll have to operate |
| 16:20.48 | johnx | how that iphone got in there, we'll never know O_o |
| 16:21.02 | GAN800 | 'I slipped and fell' |
| 16:21.07 | MangoFusion | through the wonders of vnc |
| 16:21.20 | Fatal | in case of turtleneck accident, break n800? |
| 16:21.29 | GAN800 | or "It was a million to one shot, Doc--million to one!" |
| 16:22.11 | johnx | "Well i had a couple beers...and then I woke up and there it was!" |
| 16:25.28 | Navi | amazing |
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| 16:29.25 | MangoFusion | bit too slow over vnc to see all the snazzy effects though |
| 16:30.19 | Khertan_n810 | raw pdflush problem again !!!! |
| 16:30.33 | Navi | MangoFusion, your N800 needs to be checked |
| 16:30.39 | Navi | It has a nasty virus on it |
| 16:30.55 | MangoFusion | really? i thought IT's couldn't get viruses! ;) |
| 16:31.05 | Navi | Apparently, it can |
| 16:31.10 | Navi | Your N800 has an iPhone on it |
| 16:31.26 | Navi | scan it immediately |
| 16:31.40 | MangoFusion | what with? can you recommend anything? |
| 16:32.12 | Navi | norton antivirus is the only thing powerful enough to remove an iPhone |
| 16:32.26 | Navi | you must beg them for an N800 port |
| 16:32.28 | Khertan_n810 | there is virus for n800 metalayer-crawler and an other on that make pdflush eating your cpu ! |
| 16:32.30 | MangoFusion | shit. does that mean i'll have to install windows? |
| 16:32.54 | GAN800 | Norton wont do it. I recommend hyrdochloric acid. |
| 16:33.03 | Navi | spellfail |
| 16:33.14 | GAN800 | Evidently. |
| 16:33.28 | GAN800 | I blame this 'keyboard'. :P |
| 16:33.41 | Navi | Oh, complaining about the nippleboards again? |
| 16:33.51 | Navi | at home again? |
| 16:33.53 | GAN800 | Nah, finger keyboards. |
| 16:33.58 | Navi | ah |
| 16:34.05 | GAN800 | Haven't left. |
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| 16:35.38 | qwerty12 | <3's the moblock-deb team |
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| 17:07.26 | briand | 3 |
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| 17:07.47 | qwerty12 | wtf |
| 17:07.54 | GAN8001 | It's the counting game. |
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| 17:08.08 | andre____ | *meep* |
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| 17:08.12 | Khertan_n810 | u lost |
| 17:08.13 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 17:08.19 | qwerty12 | >.< |
| 17:08.31 | GAN8001 | Everybody get out your machetes. Time to kill qwerty12. :P |
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| 17:08.34 | Khertan_n810 | hum ... u loose |
| 17:08.40 | qwerty12 | aiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 17:09.04 | Khertan_n810 | equip his double axe |
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| 17:11.29 | RST38h | Have I missed a massacre? |
| 17:11.46 | Mousey | is ded |
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| 17:12.15 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
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| 17:12.19 | jaska | http://failblog.org/2008/05/27/ax-murderer-fail/ hitchhiking to qwerty |
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| 17:20.50 | lcuk | pupnik_... |
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| 17:21.21 | lcuk | does anyone know why powerpoint wont handle mjpg movies from my camera? |
| 17:22.47 | penguinbait | I am looking for a tool to show me the disk size, not partitions but the disk itself, any suggestions? |
| 17:23.08 | glass | lcuk: windows missing codec? |
| 17:23.19 | GAN8001 | lcuk, powerpointfail? |
| 17:23.21 | lcuk | i can play them in media player fine |
| 17:23.37 | lcuk | but gan is right, powerpoint fails |
| 17:24.09 | GAN8001 | really wants somebody to try USB2VGA for a presentation at LInuxTag. :P |
| 17:24.34 | GAN8001 | penguinbait, commandline or gui? |
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| 17:24.44 | penguinbait | command line |
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| 17:28.59 | penguinbait | nevermind, found a way |
| 17:29.03 | penguinbait | lshal |
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| 17:41.10 | SimoHillo | echo |
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| 17:43.46 | eocanha | hi |
| 17:44.15 | eocanha | is here someone being a package mantainer in Extras repository? |
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| 17:46.09 | GAN8001 | X-Fade_ |
| 17:46.38 | GAN8001 | He's prepping for LinuxTag at the moment (as far as I'm aware, anyway), so he'll probably be a little hard to get ahold of for the next 5 days or so. |
| 17:48.51 | eocanha | (I mean someone having published a package there, not the one who gives access rights) |
| 17:49.10 | mza- | prolly the wrong place to ask |
| 17:49.18 | mza- | anyone know if the E71 will have UMA? |
| 17:49.53 | GAN8001 | Yes, there are a number of people in here who maintain packages in Extras. |
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| 17:50.36 | eocanha | I'm reading the instructions at http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository/ |
| 17:50.52 | eocanha | and they say: Change to SDK_PC target: 'sb-conf select SDK_PC' |
| 17:51.36 | eocanha | and I was wondering if that really refers to CHINOOK_X86 |
| 17:52.44 | eocanha | Someone has just told me that I'm right: they are referring to CHINOOK_X86 and CHINOOK_ARMEL |
| 17:52.48 | eocanha | thanks. |
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| 17:56.02 | fnordianslip | hi all. just (re)installed scratchbox via synaptic on Ubuntu Guyst. Last time, had to use /scratchbox/login - now seems I just prefix commands with "sb2" |
| 17:56.10 | fnordianslip | is that notmal ??? |
| 17:56.40 | fnordianslip | normal, even ... |
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| 18:04.57 | penguinbait | can someone else test this on their tablet `expr 2000000000 + 1` |
| 18:05.08 | penguinbait | and `expr 4000000000 + 1` |
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| 18:15.08 | TPC | pH5, sure |
| 18:15.10 | TPC | er |
| 18:15.12 | TPC | penguinbait, sure |
| 18:15.48 | pH5 | TPC: thanks for the assurance though |
| 18:15.53 | TPC | first one gives 2000000001 second one gives -2147483648 |
| 18:16.31 | penguinbait | yeah thats what I got too |
| 18:16.35 | penguinbait | its broken |
| 18:16.48 | penguinbait | I guess I need to include my own in the package |
| 18:16.54 | jott | slaps penguinbaint with 31 bits |
| 18:16.54 | penguinbait | stupid busybox |
| 18:19.20 | tich | hey man thanks for the cloner deb |
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| 18:22.01 | penguinbait | no prob |
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| 18:32.10 | gnuton | hi there |
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| 18:54.19 | kimrhh | hi, does anyone know what driver in the linux kernel that is supposed to pick up the N810 when you plug it into the USB port? |
| 18:54.54 | kulve | some usb gadget driver? (the storage thing?) |
| 18:54.57 | pH5 | usb_storage (as long as g_file_storage is loaded on the n810) |
| 18:55.57 | kimrhh | the device should be turned on when you want to flash it? |
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| 18:57.06 | kulve | kimrhh: flash the fiasco? Turn off, plug the cable, run the flasher, turn on |
| 18:57.43 | kimrhh | kulve: well, to be able to flash anything I would expect my Linux OS needs to find the device first? |
| 18:58.30 | kimrhh | i'm not running ubuntu or Debian, so I need something specific :) like, what kernel version works with it |
| 18:59.13 | kimrhh | i'm getting "[-813283440]: host clock rate change request 78 -> 141" and similar in dmesg |
| 18:59.17 | kimrhh | when I plug it in |
| 18:59.30 | kulve | looks odd.. |
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| 19:00.03 | kulve | but the kernel in the device is never started when flashing, so the device doesn't do anything comples (like show up as a mass storage device) |
| 19:00.15 | kulve | s,comples,complex, |
| 19:00.50 | kimrhh | so it should be turned off when you use the flasher tool? the guides doesn't really mention that :) |
| 19:01.02 | timely | heh |
| 19:01.07 | timely | the windows flasher makes it *very* clear |
| 19:01.15 | timely | it also specifies unplugged |
| 19:01.26 | timely | because while it's plugged in, it isn't actually off |
| 19:01.43 | qwerty12_N800 | windows flasher sucks. I also have to install bb5 drivers :p |
| 19:03.22 | pupnik_ | hi lcuk where ru |
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| 19:04.30 | qwerty12_N800 | gets to dumping my rootfs |
| 19:06.19 | kimrhh | timely: ok :) |
| 19:06.20 | GAN8001 | How many of you have had the dubious pleasure of actually using a iPhone Safari? I hadn't really invested time in it until today . . . goddamn does it suck compared to MicroB. <_< |
| 19:09.57 | pupnik_ | nice to hear GAN8001 |
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| 19:11.34 | kimrhh | timely: it should be turned on, right after one have started the flasher tool :) |
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| 19:13.58 | timely | yeah that's explained in the windows flasher :) |
| 19:14.14 | GAN8001 | The hardware dpad (corrects to "road" <_<) is such an unbelievable blessing. |
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| 19:15.59 | GAN8001 | kimrhh, most of the guides I've seen mention that fact. |
| 19:16.48 | GAN8001 | If you're worried about battery, you can always turn it ON using the charger. Just make sure USB is plugged in, hold down Home/Swap and plug in the charger. |
| 19:17.04 | GAN8001 | Works the same as if you had turned it on using the power button for the purposes of charging. |
| 19:17.24 | disq | anybody having problems with tinymail/imap (gmail) attempting to download all the headers instead of the latest 50/100/whatever? |
| 19:17.55 | timely | disq: err, i thought all imap clients were that stupid |
| 19:18.01 | timely | do you actually know of *any* that aren't? |
| 19:18.15 | timely | they typically do an initial message index retrieval |
| 19:18.35 | timely | which for my imap mailbox actually historically killed the imap server ;) (oom) |
| 19:18.56 | disq | i got 5.2 gigs of a message archive on my gmail account |
| 19:19.04 | disq | 3000+ headers |
| 19:19.22 | timely | not many messages |
| 19:20.10 | timely | You are currently using 2321 MB (34%) of your 6766 MB. 1 - 50 of 172129 <- that's my medium sized gmailbox |
| 19:20.13 | disq | but i don't want to see the listview cluttered with headers from 2006 and 2005 |
| 19:20.33 | disq | 1-50 of 10068 here |
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| 19:21.13 | timely | You are currently using 2903 MB (42%) of your 6766 MB. 1 - 100 of 546446 <- large gmailbox |
| 19:21.31 | timely | i also have a non gmail box which is a couple of gbs |
| 19:21.38 | disq | You are currently using 5227 MB (20%) of your 25600 MB. <- larger in size but not in message count |
| 19:21.41 | timely | imap clients just don't handle such mailboxes very well :) |
| 19:22.10 | timely | actually, nor do file systems |
| 19:22.26 | timely | maildir is about the dumbest thing imaginable for a mailbox like mine :) |
| 19:23.25 | disq | yeah |
| 19:24.18 | GAN800 | tinely, while you're about, is there a simple explanation for the 'Connecting...' status bar that sometimes bounces back and forth for about 10-20 seconds before getting on with actually loading the page? |
| 19:27.08 | GAN800 | s/tinely/timely/ |
| 19:30.44 | timely | GAN800: it might be a dns request... |
| 19:30.47 | timely | not sure offhand |
| 19:32.13 | GAN8001 | Hmm, maybe. It crops up for me every once and a while and I usually cycle the wifi connection with good results (though I've been paying less than perfect attention to it). A lot of people seem to run into it, though. |
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| 19:33.21 | lcuk | pupnik_, im here just about |
| 19:33.38 | lcuk | you can't be poorly! |
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| 19:38.45 | lcuk | question: oo.org powerpoint thiny doesnt handle movies does it? |
| 19:38.51 | lcuk | thingy |
| 19:39.49 | GAN8001 | Ha, who put this in the quips? "No really, it's _intentionally_ broken by design." |
| 19:40.44 | lcuk | has broken his laptop |
| 19:40.52 | lcuk | that wasnt intentional |
| 19:41.04 | GAN8001 | Your new one? |
| 19:41.27 | lcuk | my second user one i got instead of wasting money on an eee |
| 19:41.38 | lcuk | eee woulda fit as well |
| 19:42.06 | lcuk | my god, chaos in 6 hours |
| 19:42.23 | GAN8001 | Only 6? |
| 19:42.39 | lcuk | yer and im expected to sleep |
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| 19:45.41 | RST38h | GAN: Seen a fortune database entry once that gave a German word for "broken through improvement" |
| 19:45.58 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 19:46.07 | GAN8001 | We've got that, too. <_< |
| 19:47.01 | GAN8001 | LinuxTag people, do you guys have anybody planning on setting up a live webcast yet? :D |
| 19:48.15 | lcuk | if there is a movie and i bottle it, don't laugh too loudly |
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| 19:50.42 | GAN8001 | lcuk's N810 is going to explode on stage. |
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| 19:51.02 | lcuk | its better fluffin not do |
| 19:51.14 | lcuk | anyway, time to sleep - ill be back on sat/sunday |
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| 19:51.36 | GAN8001 | 'night |
| 19:54.20 | n800n | hehe |
| 19:54.22 | n800n | not that one |
| 19:54.29 | n800n | misfire :x |
| 19:55.54 | {abo} | Hi again :) |
| 19:56.02 | MoRpHeUz | anybody played with maemo + certs ? |
| 19:56.35 | {abo} | Uhm... I have an ext3-formatted partition on the MMC. tune2fs says "has_journal". But mount -t ext3 fails, -t ext2 works. The kernel module is loaded. |
| 19:56.37 | {abo} | Any ideas? |
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| 19:56.57 | {abo} | MoRpHeUz: X509? |
| 19:57.21 | MoRpHeUz | {abo}: yeah... |
| 19:57.27 | qwerty12_N800 | {abo}, pastebin me ur lsmod output |
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| 19:57.44 | MoRpHeUz | I took a look @ http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/certificate_storage_guide.html |
| 19:57.48 | {abo} | qwerty12_N800: ok hang on |
| 19:58.34 | MoRpHeUz | but it says that you need to generate the key and install ssl..I would like to know if there is not a default user certificate generated... |
| 19:58.38 | MoRpHeUz | by the device... |
| 20:00.04 | {abo} | qwerty12_N800; http://pastebin.com/d5591dd34 |
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| 20:01.54 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, you have the right modules inserted. does dmesg say anything after trying to mount? |
| 20:03.49 | {abo} | nothing that looks relevamt. "EAC mode: play enabled", "Setting voltage" and so on |
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| 20:04.14 | {abo} | Btw, what's a good filesystem to use on a micro SD card? I'd like something journaled so I don't have to hook in an fsck in the startup. But maybe I should just go with ext2 and make sure i run fsck. |
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| 20:11.33 | {abo} | bah, computers :/ |
| 20:12.08 | n800n | haha |
| 20:12.23 | {abo} | Hmm |
| 20:12.46 | {abo} | Now it works, after a reboot. But it still mounted my / as ext2 even though it has a journal. |
| 20:13.10 | KotCzarny | with ext3 you don't have to run fsck |
| 20:13.23 | {abo} | Yeah that's what i'm after |
| 20:13.48 | Tuco1 | anyone know why modest will notify you of new emails but will not send pending emails when you get back online? |
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| 20:18.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Anyone know how to make tar go into each subfolder and tar up *.ko files with the folder name (like fanoush's module pack)? |
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| 20:25.14 | {abo} | qwerty12_N800: for d in $(find /some/folder -type d); do tar -cf $d.tar -C $d '*.ko'; done |
| 20:25.16 | {abo} | or something |
| 20:25.20 | wnd | qwerty12_N800, how about just using find for that task, e.g. "tar -cf foo.tar $(find /path/to -name '*.ko')". if the list goes too long, "find /path/to -name '*.ko' | tar -cf - -T -" or something |
| 20:25.41 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks both! :) |
| 20:25.51 | wnd | for loops break far too easily with whitespaces |
| 20:26.52 | wnd | erm, actually I just realised I missread your question |
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| 20:42.02 | practisevoodoo | anyone got any idea why i cant copy files to my removable memory card of the main memory? |
| 20:42.50 | practisevoodoo | whenever I try I am told "Unable to continue. Folder not found." |
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| 20:49.36 | ||cw | practisevoodoo: characters in the name that arne't valid on fat32? |
| 20:50.11 | practisevoodoo | actually that is a distinct posability |
| 20:52.56 | practisevoodoo | stupid : |
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| 20:55.58 | penguinbait | . |
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| 21:03.25 | simboss | guys, I am trying to setup my n800 with os2008 for development in python, but I can't install pluthon; I get this message "application packages missing: mount-full (>=2.12p+maemo2)" |
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| 21:03.27 | simboss | any ideas? |
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| 21:06.23 | RST38h | Ultimate goth restaurant: http://www.zik.com.ua/gallery/full/2008-05-26-grob.jpg |
| 21:06.47 | RST38h | simboss: it is missing a package called mount-full |
| 21:06.52 | summatusmentis | w00t!!! My n810 just came!!! |
| 21:06.56 | RST38h | You need to find and install this package |
| 21:07.50 | summatusmentis | these stylii seem sort of flimsy |
| 21:08.09 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, I hardly use mine these days, just stick to the fingers. :P |
| 21:08.33 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Nah, it's there but it's versioned wrong. I did long hax to sort it out :/ |
| 21:09.13 | simboss | rst38H: isn't a bit strange that it does not get downloaded by default being a dependency? |
| 21:09.40 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: yeah... but... the screen is so... pretty! |
| 21:10.08 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, I recommend a boxwave anti-glare protector to reduce smudging. ;) |
| 21:10.29 | summatusmentis | oh? ok, how much do those go for? |
| 21:10.40 | GAN8001 | $12 USD |
| 21:10.49 | summatusmentis | eek |
| 21:10.55 | GAN8001 | They really improve outdoor usability, too. |
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| 21:11.52 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, it's worth it. |
| 21:11.55 | summatusmentis | how do I modify the sources list? |
| 21:12.00 | GAN8001 | They really don't scratch |
| 21:12.07 | GAN8001 | So it's a life-of-the-device protector. |
| 21:12.12 | practisevoodoo | applauds summatusmentis |
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| 21:12.27 | practisevoodoo | it took me at least 30 minutes before i was doing that |
| 21:12.43 | summatusmentis | practisevoodoo: it won't let me install skype |
| 21:12.57 | practisevoodoo | should allready be on there |
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| 21:13.09 | GAN8001 | No, just the installer. |
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| 21:13.20 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, enable Extras. |
| 21:13.31 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: how? |
| 21:13.53 | GAN8001 | Application manager: Menu -> Tools -> Application Catalogs...: maemo Extras -> Edit -> Uncheck Disabled |
| 21:14.04 | practisevoodoo | menu -> settings -> application manager |
| 21:15.04 | Tama^2 | . |
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| 21:20.01 | RST38h | qwerty: umgh |
| 21:20.06 | RST38h | anyway. sleep time |
| 21:20.30 | pupnik | bonne nuit |
| 21:20.53 | kimrhh | anyone tried building an external kernel module for the N810 ? |
| 21:21.42 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, night |
| 21:22.14 | qwerty12_N800 | kimrhh, yes and have done so successfuly (not now though, away from comp) |
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| 21:23.35 | elb | for those near a Big Lots, the Big Lots near me has a 4000 mAh "Digital Concepts" portable power lithium ion battery pack for $10.00 with a zillion power adapter tips -- and it will output 5V |
| 21:23.45 | elb | it doesn't have a Nokia tip, but I'm looking into that :-) |
| 21:24.11 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: great |
| 21:24.39 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: i'm trying to follow the Kbuild documentation, and the how-to on kernel building from maemo.org |
| 21:25.10 | qwerty12_N800 | I would say, don't make a new target |
| 21:25.18 | qwerty12_N800 | use chinook_armel |
| 21:26.24 | summatusmentis | wee! |
| 21:26.45 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: having set up a ARMEL kernel target inside scratchbox, if I issued "make -C /path/to/kernel -M=`pwd` ARCH=arm CROSSCOMPILE=arm-linux-" it still builds a module which is not the right arch according to modinfo |
| 21:26.46 | summatusmentis | installing canola , even though I'm probably not gonna use this for media :) |
| 21:26.59 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: aha |
| 21:27.51 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, why in the world not? |
| 21:28.00 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I've got an iPod |
| 21:28.03 | GAN8001 | It makes a pretty awesome video machine. |
| 21:28.04 | GAN8001 | Bleh |
| 21:28.10 | summatusmentis | oh, that's fair |
| 21:28.14 | qwerty12_N800 | What I do is that I make a symlink to the kernel source from wherever it's called from indt'sthe make so I all I have to do is run make |
| 21:28.26 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org |
| 21:29.19 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: you created your own Makefile? |
| 21:29.53 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: oh sorry, didn't see the last msg |
| 21:30.18 | qwerty12_N800 | sorry for being unclear, i'm talking off memory + i'm tired :) |
| 21:30.25 | Jaffa | bingles another GAN8001 plug :-) |
| 21:30.26 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: i'm not exactly following that last one :) |
| 21:30.51 | Jaffa | wonders what "interesting" things will be announced from Nokia/maemo at LinuxTag |
| 21:30.55 | kimrhh | qwerty12_N800: you make a symlink to a Makefile in the kernel dir? |
| 21:31.15 | GAN8001 | Jaffa, my checks still haven't come yet. >:| :P |
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| 21:31.48 | GAN8001 | The NITs will be Nokia's first Windows Mobile devices. :D |
| 21:31.51 | Jaffa | GAN8001: Unfortunately - no spare cash, got a parking ticket today cos I stupidly forgot to display my season ticket at the train station. Very very pissed off. |
| 21:32.00 | GAN8001 | How much? |
| 21:32.41 | Jaffa | 25ukp ($50) if paid within 14 days. I've emailed saying my season ticket fell off my windscreen cos I didn't put it up properly and asked to be let off. |
| 21:32.56 | Jaffa | We'll see how bureaucratic they are. Probably: lots. |
| 21:33.14 | GAN8001 | Yeesh |
| 21:33.17 | GAN8001 | Quite a ticket |
| 21:33.32 | GAN8001 | Parking tickets are only about $17 here. . . . |
| 21:33.36 | KotCzarny | jaffa, but do they track when it was bought? |
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| 21:34.06 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: I bought my season ticket on 01/04/2008 - runs for 3 months so expires 30/06/2008 |
| 21:34.25 | KotCzarny | it has your name or something? |
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| 21:34.48 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: yeah - they should have records that I've got a season ticket. |
| 21:34.56 | Jaffa | But the offence is "not clearly displaying a valid ticket" |
| 21:35.00 | ReKlipz | I just recieved my n810. I'm wondering, out of the box, how do I use the GPS? |
| 21:35.02 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:35.22 | KotCzarny | and how much is 'not having valid ticket' ? |
| 21:35.36 | GAN8001 | ReKlipz, open up "Map" or install Maemo Mapper |
| 21:36.10 | GAN8001 | Or you can try the "GPS Location" in Control panel if you just want lat/long. |
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| 21:36.57 | ReKlipz | i tired the gps location, but it just shows searching all the time |
| 21:37.11 | GAN8001 | First fix is the hardest. |
| 21:37.24 | ReKlipz | and the "Map" app just sits there at the gps display |
| 21:37.26 | GAN8001 | Make sure you have clear line-of-site to the sky and aren't covering the antenna. |
| 21:37.32 | ||cw | ReKlipz: go outside where it can get a clear view of the satellites |
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| 21:38.22 | ReKlipz | ||cw, that will speed it up? |
| 21:38.53 | ||cw | should, yes |
| 21:38.54 | Jaykie | you may never get gps fix inside a building |
| 21:39.16 | ||cw | yeah, walking back inside might lose the fix again |
| 21:39.19 | ReKlipz | ok, well, it is freezing outside, but i stood out there for a bit, earler, and nada |
| 21:39.34 | ||cw | 40 seconds isn't uncommon |
| 21:39.36 | GAN8001 | It's an AGPS that currently lacks the "A". |
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| 21:42.39 | summatusmentis | it's telling me that it's missing libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0 |
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| 21:42.43 | simboss | guys this mount-full missing dependency is killing me |
| 21:42.58 | simboss | is even blocking me from installing pythond-dev |
| 21:44.20 | GAN8001 | How are you installing, simboss? |
| 21:44.24 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, what is? |
| 21:44.40 | simboss | gan8001: I just tried using the application manager |
| 21:44.47 | simboss | I can seed the python-dev listed |
| 21:44.51 | simboss | but it is not installable |
| 21:44.58 | simboss | due to tht missing dependency |
| 21:45.01 | simboss | as well as many others |
| 21:45.09 | simboss | packages |
| 21:45.15 | simboss | which are in the same situation |
| 21:45.21 | simboss | like maemo-pc-connectivity |
| 21:46.45 | GAN8001 | I've never heard of "mount-full", simboss, and google and gronmayer return nothing. |
| 21:46.51 | GAN8001 | Sounds like something's borked. |
| 21:46.57 | simboss | exact :-( |
| 21:46.57 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, try this .install: http://gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=123 |
| 21:49.37 | simboss | gan8001: any ideas on how to fix hat? |
| 21:49.49 | GAN8001 | Reflash? |
| 21:49.51 | GAN8001 | Not a clue. |
| 21:50.13 | simboss | I feared that :-( |
| 21:50.27 | simboss | will give it a try though :-( |
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| 22:02.45 | ReKlipz | well, i still didnt get anything outside for like 5 minutes, but it's completely overcast. the maps app showed two of the bars with little numbers under them, dont know what that means though... |
| 22:03.18 | GAN800 | 2 sats |
| 22:03.33 | GAN800 | But, seriously, the first fix is the worst. |
| 22:04.09 | ReKlipz | i'll wait till tomorrow then, it's way too cold to be outside for more than 5 mins in a tshirt. thanks for the infos though |
| 22:04.31 | ReKlipz | another question, can I use this as a phone on say, the verizon network? |
| 22:05.30 | GAN8001 | It's not a cellphone |
| 22:05.46 | GAN8001 | You could either use wifi or bluetooth tethering to do VoIP, though. |
| 22:06.05 | ReKlipz | that's what i thought |
| 22:14.38 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: what do I do w/ the .install? |
| 22:15.20 | GAN800 | Open it in MicroB, it'll asd the repository that contains those dependencies. |
| 22:15.27 | GAN800 | s/asd/add/ |
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| 22:20.19 | ReKlipz | I'm looking to develop an app that will run on the n810, basically, the app is the only thing that needs to be running, I don't need anything else but the hardware. I was thinking about ditching "maemo" as a whole ( the window manager and all ), and developing my own app that will run on what would be "X". Is this the way to do it, or should I consider keeping maemo and developing just an app for it? |
| 22:22.23 | Mousey | why get rid of the baby with the bathwater? |
| 22:23.10 | Mousey | your app is available to a wider audience and there's less work for you to do to maintain the package[s] if you leave the underlying distro in place. |
| 22:23.43 | Mousey | otherwise you're just making work for yourself. i wonder what your concerns about having the distro underneath are |
| 22:24.13 | GAN800 | I don't get all the people dumping everything for one program. Why not expand your userbase by not throwing away maemo? <_< |
| 22:25.25 | Mousey | there's nothing wrong with ditching hildon and matchbox and the overlying Xclients to reap the resources, but yea, it severly limits who'll be able to [or want to] use the app |
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| 22:28.59 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I'm getting an "Operation failed" |
| 22:29.20 | GAN8001 | Sometimes happens when you try and do too much stuff at once |
| 22:29.23 | GAN8001 | or do nothing at all |
| 22:29.31 | GAN8001 | Chinook's application manager is pretty buggy |
| 22:29.37 | GAN8001 | You can usually ignore that banner. |
| 22:29.46 | GAN8001 | (Diablo's is much, much better ;)) |
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| 22:41.20 | ReKlipz | hmm, well.. I guess, the app is kindof one off. It's for a project at our local zoo, who is using it for genetics research in Madagascar. Basically, it will be a device that the users will input data on + GPS, and when it comes in range of the proper wlan, it will automatically backup the "reports", and be ready to go out in the field again. |
| 22:41.43 | ReKlipz | basically, there is really no need for the window manager, as there should only ever be one app running at a time. |
| 22:41.53 | ReKlipz | mameo |
| 22:41.55 | ReKlipz | ... |
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| 22:45.25 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: the application manager is still telling me I'm missing those two libraries to install skype |
| 22:46.04 | fearphage | are there definite dates on the n810 wimax? |
| 22:46.24 | lopz | re |
| 22:47.28 | zap | Anybody knows if N810 supports WPA/PSK with AES encryption? I can connect to my AP only if just TKIP is used |
| 22:48.25 | GAN800 | Did you refresh? |
| 22:49.02 | zap | refresh what? |
| 22:49.21 | GAN800 | Not you, zap. |
| 22:49.28 | zap | ah, sorry ;) |
| 22:49.35 | GAN800 | No, fearphage. |
| 22:49.51 | GAN800 | It's largely dependent on Sprint at this point. |
| 22:50.26 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: yeah, still telling me I'm missing libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0 |
| 22:50.46 | fearphage | GAN800: sprint is the only wimax provider? that is unfortunate. i was planning on dropping sprint in november |
| 22:51.23 | ReKlipz | so, where do you all suggest I start with development then? |
| 22:51.25 | fearphage | maybe i should read more about wimax. in my work and home area, sprint reception is garbage. is wimax based on cell tower reception? |
| 22:57.33 | GAN800 | No, fearphage. |
| 22:57.42 | GAN800 | WiMAX is separate. |
| 22:58.27 | GAN800 | summatusmentis, how are you installing (and what) have you tried apt-getting the dependencies. |
| 22:58.54 | fearphage | thank heavens |
| 22:59.14 | GAN800 | There are other wimax operators, but Sprints the only major one in the US and the one providing Xohm with the N810W. |
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| 23:00.36 | summatusmentis | GAN800: I'm trying to install skype, via the application manager |
| 23:00.49 | ReKlipz | wikipedia has a pretty good wimax entry if you're interested, fearphage |
| 23:01.10 | summatusmentis | also GAN800, what was the name of the screen protector? |
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| 23:07.53 | GAN8001 | Boxwave anti-glare |
| 23:08.08 | GAN8001 | http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm |
| 23:08.13 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, install easyroot |
| 23:08.16 | GAN8001 | ~easyroot |
| 23:08.17 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 23:08.26 | GAN8001 | and try apt-getting the dependencies from xterm |
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| 23:13.01 | ReKlipz | If I wanted to revert my n810 to the original maemo OS that it came with, how would I do that? Is there a rom available somwhere on maemo.org that I can flash to do this? |
| 23:13.19 | GAN8001 | tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 23:13.20 | GAN8001 | and |
| 23:13.27 | GAN8001 | tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 23:14.35 | ReKlipz | GAN800 and GAN8001, same person? |
| 23:15.52 | GAN8001 | GAN800's (variously) one of two N800s and two 770, and GAN8001 is the G4 at my parent's house (GeneralAntilles is my primary). |
| 23:16.05 | GAN8001 | s/770/770s/ |
| 23:16.20 | ReKlipz | hmm, mmk |
| 23:16.40 | ReKlipz | now, one more question, how do I actually flash these binaries? |
| 23:18.11 | ReKlipz | nevermind... :( |
| 23:21.18 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: they're both installed, it looks like it's needing newer versions, are there 'testing' feeds? |
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| 23:23.43 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, hrm, maybe a Diablo something or other? |
| 23:23.49 | GAN8001 | Which version does it depend on? |
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| 23:24.13 | ReKlipz | so, let me get this straight. We develop dpkg packages using the scratchbox+sdk environment, and then we install the packages on the actual device using dpkg? is there any way to terminal into the device? |
| 23:24.21 | summatusmentis | it's looking for 1.9.49 and 1.10.1 respectively |
| 23:24.31 | GAN8001 | ssh, ReKlipz. |
| 23:24.38 | GAN8001 | It's basically Debian. |
| 23:25.27 | GAN8001 | and they're .debs, not "dpkg packages" |
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| 23:26.18 | ReKlipz | so then, hildon is a package? |
| 23:26.31 | GAN8001 | Hildon is the GUI/API |
| 23:26.44 | ReKlipz | and to remove it, i can remove the package |
| 23:26.51 | GAN8001 | Hildon libraries can be packaged, though, yes. |
| 23:27.23 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, hrm, you haven't flashed your device to the latest firmware yet, have you? |
| 23:27.37 | GAN8001 | Open up Control panel, go to about and tell me the version number. |
| 23:27.50 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: no, I didn't know I was supposed :) |
| 23:27.58 | GAN8001 | Well, it MAY be up to date |
| 23:28.06 | GAN8001 | Nokia is USUALLY pretty good about that |
| 23:28.08 | GAN8001 | But maybe not |
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| 23:28.18 | GAN8001 | and I'm recalling Skype being stupidly picky about that. |
| 23:28.20 | summatusmentis | 1.2007.42-19 |
| 23:28.22 | GAN8001 | uses Gizmo. |
| 23:28.25 | GAN8001 | Yeah, that's the problem |
| 23:28.30 | ReKlipz | what's the default root password... |
| 23:28.32 | GAN8001 | Sorry about the wild goose chase. :\ |
| 23:28.44 | GAN8001 | rootme, ReKlipz, but root isn't enabled by default |
| 23:28.53 | GAN8001 | You'll need to install easyroot |
| 23:28.56 | GAN8001 | ~easyroot |
| 23:28.57 | infobot | i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 23:29.01 | GAN8001 | Then just type 'root' |
| 23:29.10 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, you on Linux? |
| 23:29.26 | summatusmentis | OS X |
| 23:30.11 | GAN8001 | (Hey, me too! :D) OK, first go here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download the latest firmware (ends in 51-3). |
| 23:30.34 | GAN8001 | Then go here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download flasher-2.0 for OS X. |
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| 23:31.35 | ReKlipz | so, there is no way to become root without easyroot? |
| 23:31.51 | GAN8001 | Well, you could just use ssh |
| 23:31.54 | GAN8001 | ssh root@localhost |
| 23:32.00 | ReKlipz | is ssh installed by default though? |
| 23:32.03 | GAN8001 | or you can flash the device into R&D mode |
| 23:32.08 | GAN8001 | No, but it's in Extras. |
| 23:32.15 | GAN8001 | Just enabled Extras and install it. |
| 23:32.18 | ReKlipz | R&D mode, research and develop? |
| 23:32.22 | GAN8001 | Right. |
| 23:32.29 | ReKlipz | hmm |
| 23:32.35 | ReKlipz | chance of bricking the thing? |
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| 23:32.45 | GAN8001 | Slim to none |
| 23:32.50 | GAN8001 | You'll want ssh, anyway |
| 23:32.53 | ReKlipz | would hope not |
| 23:32.59 | GAN8001 | Unless you've already nuked Matchbox? |
| 23:33.12 | ReKlipz | dont think so, matchbox? |
| 23:33.17 | GAN8001 | Window manager |
| 23:33.22 | GAN8001 | Just open up Application manager |
| 23:33.49 | GAN8001 | Tap the menu -> Tools -> Application Catalogs...: maemo Extras -> Edit: Uncheck Disabled |
| 23:33.53 | GAN8001 | Let it refresh the repos |
| 23:34.00 | GAN8001 | then install OpenSSH-server |
| 23:34.12 | ReKlipz | ahh, ok |
| 23:34.35 | ReKlipz | what all does r&d mode enable... |
| 23:34.38 | GAN8001 | (I wish Nokia would just ship Extras enabled :\) |
| 23:35.00 | GAN8001 | Well, mostly, it disables the lock on root access and turns off the delay on the power button for starting up |
| 23:35.07 | GAN8001 | Other things, too, but those are the important ones. |
| 23:35.11 | GAN8001 | You don't need it |
| 23:35.25 | GAN8001 | Installing one of the half dozen or so packages to disable the lock in software is less work. |
| 23:35.34 | GAN8001 | Or bypass it (in the case of ssh). |
| 23:35.36 | ReKlipz | so, r&d mode is a hardware thing then? or purely software? |
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| 23:35.47 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: those sites are broken |
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| 23:36.33 | GAN8001 | The second one should be http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php anyway |
| 23:36.45 | GAN8001 | The server isn't responding. <_< |
| 23:36.47 | GAN8001 | Stupid Nokia |
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| 23:37.46 | beford | is there any way to check if the GPS if working, even if I'm not on a country with maps for the map application? |
| 23:37.59 | GAN8001 | Open up Control panel, tap GPS location |
| 23:38.06 | GAN8001 | Or install Maemo Mapper |
| 23:38.47 | beford | 'GPS location details' rigt? |
| 23:38.51 | beford | right* |
| 23:39.01 | GAN8001 | Whatever it's called in your localization |
| 23:39.06 | GAN8001 | It has a little satellite image. |
| 23:39.21 | beford | I cilck on Refresh, an icon appears on the tray, and it stays searching |
| 23:39.34 | GAN8001 | Make sure you're outside |
| 23:41.16 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, Nokia's servers are weird at the moment. :\ |
| 23:41.43 | GAN8001 | Either you can download their updater for Windows if you have access to a Windows machine (plays nicer with their akamai caching network) |
| 23:41.55 | GAN8001 | Or give me about an hour to pull the firmware from my machine at college. |
| 23:42.30 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: I won't have access to a Windows machine for that long, linux won't work will it? |
| 23:42.34 | summatusmentis | I've got a VM |
| 23:42.43 | GAN8001 | VM will work |
| 23:42.57 | GAN8001 | Go to Nokia's support site for the N810 and download their update tool. |
| 23:43.07 | GAN8001 | Linux uses the same system as OS X. |
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| 23:49.19 | dick-richardson | I do I stop my n810 from automounting the removable mini sd card on boot? |
| 23:49.21 | wolfspirit | ok this is very nerve racking.. I can't get any roms to work on vgba on my nokia n800 using os2008.. it gets to the first screen but never continues on (example, golden sun shows the nintendo logo but never progresses any further) any ideas? |
| 23:51.40 | GAN8001 | Keep the card door open, dick-richardson? |
| 23:55.15 | wolfspirit | anyone? |
