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| 00:17.11 | dick-richardson | i wish I'd have known what I know about ssh 10 years ago |
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| 00:58.03 | mza- | do you guys talk about hardware here or just software? |
| 00:58.27 | GAN8001 | Everything from software to firearms. |
| 00:58.33 | mza- | oh cool |
| 00:58.39 | mza- | well, i ordered my N810 |
| 00:58.50 | mza- | should be here later this week |
| 00:58.53 | mza- | and i had some questions |
| 00:58.55 | GAN8001 | grats |
| 00:59.13 | mza- | i wanted to try and get my CDU-550 modem to work |
| 00:59.30 | mza- | it seems all you need is usbserial.ko |
| 00:59.51 | mza- | my question is about getting it powered |
| 01:00.12 | mza- | in usb host mode, how much can the N810 produce through usb? |
| 01:00.23 | AStorm | 100 mA |
| 01:00.31 | AStorm | AKA low power USB |
| 01:01.02 | AStorm | at most 2 such devices |
| 01:02.17 | mza- | CDMA Max < 700mA |
| 01:02.21 | mza- | ok |
| 01:02.26 | mza- | so id need another power source |
| 01:02.33 | AStorm | yes, a powered hub |
| 01:02.38 | mza- | http://www.cyberpowersystems.com:80/products/accessories/usb_hubs/cph420mp.html |
| 01:02.40 | mza- | would that work? |
| 01:03.30 | AStorm | most likely |
| 01:03.47 | AStorm | check what the batteries are - if it's possible to find replacements |
| 01:03.59 | mza- | 4 double A's |
| 01:04.11 | AStorm | ah, so just get it |
| 01:04.16 | mza- | sorry |
| 01:04.18 | mza- | truple A |
| 01:04.25 | AStorm | it's a bit large for a device as small as N810 still :> |
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| 01:06.59 | mza- | and what;s the word on silverlight? |
| 01:07.04 | mza- | moonlight |
| 01:07.06 | mza- | or whatever |
| 01:07.36 | mza- | id really like to watch my baseball games;) |
| 01:09.52 | mza- | and that hub doesnt look that big |
| 01:10.05 | mza- | i could prolly fit the N810 and that in a pocket pretty easily |
| 01:10.37 | beford | there are ports of mono already availible |
| 01:10.53 | beford | available* |
| 01:11.36 | mza- | so that would give me the ability to view sites that use silverlight? |
| 01:13.41 | beford | http://ecanuto.blogspot.com/2008/05/mono-191-and-winforms-available-for.html |
| 01:13.46 | beford | its just mono |
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| 01:32.52 | GAN800 | Hey, milhouse, what's the word? |
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| 01:35.30 | milhouse | umm...not much... network problems :) |
| 01:37.12 | GAN800 | Ah, right, the 103. |
| 01:37.34 | GAN800 | s/103/113/ |
| 01:37.50 | cactaur | Hi, I'm having trouble with mogg. I tried installing it and got an error that libvorbisidec1 was missing. I previously installed ogg-support, but uninstalled it when I found out that mogg handled tags. Can anyone help find out what's wrong? |
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| 01:47.24 | cactaur | Am I supposed to be root to use apt-get? |
| 01:48.05 | GAN800 | yes |
| 01:48.13 | GAN800 | ~easyroot |
| 01:48.17 | infobot | methinks easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 01:50.02 | cactaur | thanks |
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| 01:56.20 | mysc | ok, it was a false alarm, still can't get wireless on johnx's distrib |
| 01:56.38 | mysc | i think his "wireless just works" comment on the wiki is a bit off mark :) |
| 01:57.08 | GAN800 | Works fine here. . . . |
| 02:00.12 | mysc | GAN, mind pasting your /etc/network/interfaces (x'ing out the psk of course). |
| 02:01.08 | GAN800 | Non-existent at the moment. |
| 02:01.33 | GAN800 | I nuked the card two days ago in preparation for a resetup for Diablo. |
| 02:01.40 | summatusmentis | interesting, full debian |
| 02:01.46 | GAN800 | Haven't gotten around to it yet. |
| 02:02.39 | mysc | did you do any significant tweaking or just add the wpa lines in that file? |
| 02:03.13 | GAN800 | Just changed/added the appropriate lines. |
| 02:04.42 | mysc | no need to issue iwconfig or ifconfig commands, then... |
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| 02:07.22 | cactaur | All right, I think I took care of it! |
| 02:08.17 | summatusmentis | cactaur: you also spend time in pharyngula? :) |
| 02:08.37 | cactaur | summatusmentis: I didn't know you were here too! |
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| 02:08.51 | summatusmentis | lol, just purchased an N810 |
| 02:09.17 | summatusmentis | I really need to stop spending so much time on irc, you're in here, natefoo is in #openafs |
| 02:09.20 | summatusmentis | it's scary |
| 02:09.32 | cactaur | hahahahah |
| 02:10.47 | summatusmentis | so, you have an N8x0 series, at least, I hope |
| 02:11.07 | cactaur | yeah |
| 02:11.51 | cactaur | N800 |
| 02:12.02 | summatusmentis | cool, do you do anything interesting with it? |
| 02:12.18 | summatusmentis | I'm looking to hack on my N810 to make it almost as usable as my lappy |
| 02:13.43 | cactaur | Well, as far as I know, the only thing a tablet can't do that a laptop can is type quickly. And you can get a bluetooth keyboard to fix that problem. |
| 02:15.06 | cactaur | I've got Pidgin because I don't think I can convince all of my friends to use Jabber. |
| 02:15.35 | summatusmentis | well, N810 has a thumb board, I'm relatively proficient |
| 02:16.20 | cactaur | Ah... well.... lucky you! I just managed to get ogg support on my N800.... but it didn't work out the way I wanted it to. |
| 02:16.46 | cactaur | The media player hasn't read my tags. |
| 02:16.56 | mysc | don't super type on a bt kb though, you'll overload it and it'll do funky stuff |
| 02:17.27 | cactaur | oh, hahaha |
| 02:18.30 | mysc | i was speed-typing a reply email to my boss and i wrote "i appreciate your feedback and..." and it turned into "fuck you, asshole" |
| 02:18.46 | cactaur | hahahaha |
| 02:18.47 | GAN800 | cactar, jabber transports, rtcomm beta or the appropriate telepathy addon from colabora. |
| 02:19.17 | cactaur | I've read that there aren't really that great transports for Yahoo! Messenger. |
| 02:19.36 | mysc | pidgin does yahoo, not sure how good/bad it is |
| 02:19.55 | GAN800 | pidgin sucks hard on the tablets. |
| 02:20.04 | mysc | oh? |
| 02:20.29 | GAN800 | Taked up a taskbar slot all the time, you always haave to think about it. |
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| 02:20.44 | GAN800 | rtcomm is all automatic and pain free. |
| 02:20.48 | mysc | oh yeh, i removed the taskbar slot in preferences |
| 02:21.26 | GAN800 | cactaur, look at the colabora telepathy addons or rtcomm beta, then. |
| 02:21.50 | mysc | how do you make the matchbox kb black and not the default white? |
| 02:23.17 | cactaur | Well, I only use pidgin when I can't use my Desktop. If pidgin becomes intolerable enough, I could probably just use gizmo. |
| 02:26.37 | GAN800 | Gizmo still sucks |
| 02:27.09 | GAN800 | seriously, just ise the built-in rtcomm that doesn't suck. It does sip for Gizmo, too. |
| 02:27.59 | mysc | a lot of hte screenshots i see show a black kb how do i get one? |
| 02:31.45 | mysc | hrmm, guess no easier way than editing the images or getting a theme with a black one.. |
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| 02:38.14 | summatusmentis | erm... I should stop changing the ssid's on routers my parents don't own |
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| 03:01.54 | mysc | manually making a new theme is too time consuming |
| 03:04.21 | KotCzarny | there are templates |
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| 03:11.41 | dmsuperman | php |
| 03:11.45 | dmsuperman | whoops |
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| 03:24.08 | lopz | night |
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| 03:35.18 | summatusmentis | does KOffice read/write do MS formats? |
| 03:41.43 | summatusmentis | also, is there a way to tell how good the maps are for a certain area on maemo mapper? |
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| 03:47.43 | WorkingOnWise | I hope someone is up....how is this for wierd. I started the map app, and after around 45 secs, my IT rebooted. Now, it will boot into the OS on flash, but if I try booting into the OS on the SD card, it reboots when it should switch from the text boot message to the pretty Nokia hands.... |
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| 04:16.42 | zpol | hi |
| 04:17.12 | zpol | how use the libgtkmozembed+python? |
| 04:17.26 | zpol | import gtkmozembed? |
| 04:17.38 | zpol | not module :( |
| 04:20.37 | zpol | any ideas? |
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| 05:35.35 | cactaur | pssst.... does anyone use GrandCentral? |
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| 08:06.32 | eichi | is there a good geocaching software for maemo? |
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| 08:24.24 | keesj | eichi: not that I am aware of |
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| 08:47.26 | MipsIr1 | can anyone point me to docs on making the debian packages? not much of a debian user |
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| 09:33.12 | mysc | hrmmm, my nit just killed my internal 4gb card. |
| 09:33.30 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 09:33.38 | mysc | i was booted into part 3 (debian) rebooted and fanoush didn't recognize anything. |
| 09:33.48 | qwerty12 | Tried the kiss of life on it? |
| 09:33.54 | mysc | hah, what's that? |
| 09:34.12 | qwerty12 | fsck? :P |
| 09:34.40 | qwerty12 | Due to an error in my bad scripting skills, I am now able to boot into debian after about a week. |
| 09:34.44 | mysc | the nit doesn't recognize it and i don't have an sdhc reader |
| 09:35.51 | qwerty12 | Try plugging the usb cable in regardless and seeing if anything new comes in /dev |
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| 09:36.44 | mysc | hrmmm |
| 09:37.09 | qwerty12 | Hopefully, at least you may be able to do an sfdisk. |
| 09:37.14 | mysc | i'll try but i have to boot my linux box. what could cause this other than faulty card? |
| 09:37.38 | mysc | is there any known problem on n8x0 killing cards? |
| 09:38.59 | KotCzarny | mysc: does sfdisk -l show your card? |
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| 09:43.44 | mysc | nope |
| 09:44.37 | mysc | maybe i just got a shit card. it's patriot |
| 09:44.45 | mysc | lasted a whole 4 days |
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| 09:45.49 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:45.57 | KotCzarny | maybe contacts are bad |
| 09:46.02 | qwerty12 | Wow, that is shit. I paid £21 (round $42) for 8GB class 2 SDHC card and I've abused it and it still works fine :p |
| 09:46.03 | KotCzarny | try removing and reinserting? |
| 09:46.35 | KotCzarny | people, hear ya, qwerty speaketh truth |
| 09:46.48 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 09:46.51 | mysc | yeah ive removed it and reinserted |
| 09:47.15 | KotCzarny | mysc and still nothing? |
| 09:47.43 | KotCzarny | used 4 and 8 gb sd cards in n800 |
| 09:47.58 | mysc | this is 4gb class 6 using an adaptor |
| 09:48.28 | mysc | when i put the included nokia card in the same adaptor and slot it detects it. so its not the nit, it's the card |
| 09:51.07 | mysc | oh well, bad way to end the evening. i had even finalized my tweaking of johnx's beta. |
| 09:54.24 | qwerty12 | just finished flashing custom kernel :) |
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| 10:44.20 | mysc | do you all use the internal card for swap or leave it at the nand 128 mem? |
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| 10:59.19 | jldiaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.29 | jldiaz | I use the external card (I own a n810) |
| 11:00.46 | jldiaz | http://omag.es/blog/2008/05/20/virtual-memory-on-the-n810s-external-card/ |
| 11:01.14 | AStorm | blah blah, what about it? |
| 11:01.18 | qwerty12 | jldiaz, That isn't your blog by any chance? |
| 11:01.48 | jldiaz | well, more or less |
| 11:01.54 | jldiaz | it is a blog shared among 4 authors |
| 11:02.08 | jldiaz | altough only two had written something up to now |
| 11:02.17 | jldiaz | (have written) |
| 11:02.21 | jldiaz | ? |
| 11:02.27 | jldiaz | excuse my english |
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| 11:10.56 | gimmal | hey all |
| 11:11.16 | flo_lap | hi gimmal |
| 11:11.34 | gimmal | hey, anyone might know what java versions jalimo would support? looking at a schweet lil wysiwyg java xml editor, but it req's java >=1.5 |
| 11:11.55 | gimmal | oxygenxml, fwiw: http://www.oxygenxml.com/ |
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| 11:13.50 | RST38h | kill kill |
| 11:14.07 | AStorm | whom? |
| 11:14.50 | gimmal | volunteers >|^) |
| 11:16.04 | gimmal | fwiw, was thinking that a good-enough java-based wysiwyg [X]HTML editor could be a convenient replacement in lieu of abiword/OOo |
| 11:16.34 | gimmal | the question, then, "what is 'good enough'?" hehehe |
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| 11:19.42 | RST38h | AStorm: java, xml, java xml editors |
| 11:19.56 | AStorm | RST38h: yeah, kill |
| 11:20.02 | RST38h | hehe |
| 11:20.08 | AStorm | I now get to do some XSLT |
| 11:20.14 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 11:20.21 | RST38h | lost 2 weeks trying to make use of XSLT |
| 11:21.04 | RST38h | Finally found out that the only usable XSLT processor is "StarletXML", XSLT 1.x is near useless (not event pattern matching works) and XSLT 2.x not implemented by anybody |
| 11:21.44 | RST38h | Ended up using PERL. |
| 11:23.00 | AStorm | RST38h: :> |
| 11:23.08 | AStorm | I wonder, can Firefox directly run XSLT? |
| 11:24.01 | RST38h | it should |
| 11:24.18 | RST38h | the mention correct xslt document url in your xml |
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| 11:24.58 | AStorm | good |
| 11:25.16 | RST38h | the real question is whether you should use a standard made up by indian "programmers" with limited knowledge of visual basic |
| 11:25.35 | RST38h | that relates both to xslt and xpath |
| 11:25.57 | AStorm | RST38h: the question is not of "should", as I shouldn't |
| 11:26.00 | AStorm | but I have to :| |
| 11:26.11 | RST38h | no regexp. no joins. basic constructs take 4-5 times the amount of space taken by actual replacements |
| 11:26.46 | AStorm | I know it's horrible |
| 11:26.52 | RST38h | Oh, have I forgotten "no includes"? :) |
| 11:26.53 | AStorm | like most xml |
| 11:27.02 | AStorm | ouch :> |
| 11:27.21 | RST38h | Actually, there is a SEPARATE XML standard for includes, but nobody implements it of course |
| 11:27.34 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:27.44 | RST38h | ended up running xml documents through CPP |
| 11:28.09 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 11:29.13 | blafasel | Java isn't bad imo. The mess of three letter acronyms for billions of "standards" in the java world is. And I've never found a good use for XML other than XMPP ;) |
| 11:30.30 | AStorm | even XMPP is overrated |
| 11:31.02 | AStorm | Java is bad due to it's rigidity and prevalent weak programmers you have to scrub code after |
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| 11:36.42 | gimmal | fwiw, saxon is a good (java) xslt processor. in foss land, gnome's libxml can doit too, usually |
| 11:36.57 | gimmal | saxon is foss too, and libxml just ain't java hehe |
| 11:37.01 | gimmal | good or bad |
| 11:37.16 | RST38h | gimmal: wrong place to ask |
| 11:37.27 | RST38h | join some java forum and ask the indians =) |
| 11:37.30 | gimmal | AStorm: firefox should be able to use xslt, yeah, so long as the page has the right <?stylesheet ..?> kind of thing in it |
| 11:37.50 | gimmal | ah, wasn't meaning to ask "good or bad?" just saying, take it how y'will hehe |
| 11:38.21 | gimmal | likes java a HELL of a lot more than common lisp, fwiw |
| 11:38.42 | AStorm | gimmal: and I like Common Lisp more than Java ;P |
| 11:38.47 | AStorm | and like Python more than Common Lisp |
| 11:38.49 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:38.57 | AStorm | hell, I like C++ more than Java |
| 11:39.10 | gimmal | spent a good(?) long time beating his head against the bit-wall with common lisp; java is easier to draw a bead on, imo |
| 11:39.12 | AStorm | not to mention C# (except stupid M$-bound) |
| 11:39.22 | AStorm | gimmal: not really |
| 11:39.27 | AStorm | you just didn't get functional programming |
| 11:39.33 | AStorm | it's like math |
| 11:39.42 | gimmal | AStorm: nah, that wasn't the issue; was trying to do too much with cl heh |
| 11:39.49 | gimmal | can't even bother with java <:^)> |
| 11:39.56 | AStorm | yeah, CL needs strong libs |
| 11:40.03 | AStorm | as it's very basic on its own |
| 11:40.35 | gimmal | java doesn't have metaclass/metaobject support like CL with MOP, that limits its functionality to a large extent, but it's still a very usable language |
| 11:40.58 | gimmal | well, to say it limits its functionality, come to think of it, I think that's nonsense. java can't be java and have MOP support, I wonder |
| 11:41.38 | AStorm | It can be, look at Python. It's Java done (almost) right |
| 11:41.45 | AStorm | it could use some more static typing sometimes |
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| 11:42.13 | AStorm | Ruby is even more OOP, but implementation sucks a bit |
| 11:42.13 | gimmal | well, maybe, but MOP doesn't fit into java, though. there are no 'slot definitions' in java classes, just fields |
| 11:42.31 | AStorm | no difference |
| 11:42.39 | gimmal | big difference hehe |
| 11:42.41 | AStorm | just make another special marker, like "slot" |
| 11:42.47 | gimmal | ever played around with extending CL MOP support? |
| 11:42.59 | AStorm | there is already static public final synchronized |
| 11:43.01 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:43.09 | AStorm | No, I wasn't that much into Lisp. |
| 11:43.15 | gimmal | MOP is a big, heavy architecture, fwiw; it kind of all depends on itself, even |
| 11:43.24 | AStorm | overdone I guess |
| 11:43.26 | AStorm | never used it |
| 11:43.30 | gimmal | makes a challenge for CL VM builders - bootstrap code & what |
| 11:43.34 | AStorm | in Python, metaclasses are nice and simple |
| 11:43.39 | AStorm | and useful :D |
| 11:44.34 | gimmal | well, I think it fits the bill pretty well, for common lisp. it's just that I can't get anywhere with common lisp programming, that's the main issue of that language, for me >^) |
| 11:45.02 | gimmal | GUI support in CL sucks, also. CLIM is barley "standardized", and not completely supported in the one FOSS impl of it |
| 11:45.19 | AStorm | yep |
| 11:45.30 | AStorm | that's the one reason I love Python - there are bindings |
| 11:45.36 | AStorm | and it's fairly easy to write yours too |
| 11:46.24 | gimmal | cool; i haven't dabbled in python, but I've always heard well of it. |
| 11:46.42 | gimmal | as opposed to the nefarious PERL, muhahah |
| 11:47.06 | AStorm | Ruby is Perl done right |
| 11:47.09 | AStorm | :> |
| 11:47.42 | gimmal | cool; heard of ruby, been fraid of trying to pick up another progn language |
| 11:48.15 | AStorm | if you need something really powerful, then C++ is still the way to go :| |
| 11:48.51 | RST38h | ruby <-- kill |
| 11:49.00 | AStorm | why? |
| 11:49.12 | RST38h | given that all the eager idiots who advocated for Java do the same for ruby now, KILL |
| 11:49.20 | AStorm | ah, that, yes |
| 11:49.24 | AStorm | these people should be exterminated |
| 11:49.30 | AStorm | they tend to go to the next new thing |
| 11:49.33 | AStorm | then devastate it |
| 11:49.44 | AStorm | Python avoided that fate due to strong leadership :P |
| 11:49.46 | RST38h | java was bullshit to begin with |
| 11:49.50 | RST38h | not sure about ruby |
| 11:50.22 | AStorm | it is quite nice still |
| 11:50.32 | RST38h | but the idea of salvation through interpreted language with slightly masqueraded pointers and a garbage collector was stupied |
| 11:50.42 | AStorm | hehhehe |
| 11:50.54 | AStorm | s/interpreted/JIT/ |
| 11:51.09 | RST38h | Like some software engineering professor said, "If Java is then answer, then WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?" |
| 11:51.25 | RST38h | AStorm: JIT appeared later as a desperate attempt to improve Java performance |
| 11:51.31 | AStorm | RST38h: original question was: we need a language to run on toasters |
| 11:51.40 | RST38h | AStorm: C. |
| 11:51.40 | AStorm | and it should be secure |
| 11:51.44 | RST38h | C. |
| 11:51.49 | AStorm | RST38h: fails the second point, sorry |
| 11:51.56 | AStorm | it's inherently insecure |
| 11:51.58 | AStorm | :> |
| 11:51.58 | RST38h | When done correctly it does not |
| 11:52.16 | AStorm | you can't count on "done correctly" when hiring indians, |
| 11:52.22 | AStorm | or chinese |
| 11:53.00 | MangoFusion | imo, use whatever you feel is best ;) |
| 11:53.05 | AStorm | as of now, Java fails the first part of the question |
| 11:53.15 | AStorm | it can barely run on the strongest of toasters |
| 11:53.18 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:53.45 | AStorm | and that only when bastardized |
| 11:54.56 | RST38h | All right. |
| 11:55.00 | RST38h | But Java is not secure. |
| 11:55.27 | RST38h | It is not portable ('cause stuff written for Java 1.2 often does not run on Java 1.2.2) |
| 11:55.50 | AStorm | no no, it wasn't meant to be portable (originally) |
| 11:55.53 | RST38h | It does not fit into a toaster (unless it is severely shrunk down J2ME and even THAT requires a decent CPU) |
| 11:55.56 | AStorm | that was added as an afterthought |
| 11:56.03 | AStorm | RST38h: I said it fails |
| 11:56.08 | RST38h | yep |
| 11:56.14 | AStorm | it is fairly secure with all that checking stuff it has built in |
| 11:56.21 | RST38h | Not really ;) |
| 11:56.31 | AStorm | uhm, was |
| 11:56.37 | AStorm | it fails all the time ;P |
| 11:56.38 | RST38h | has seen a teenager bring down most systems with a Java applet |
| 11:56.53 | RST38h | And that teenager was stupid and did not even TRY to do it on purpose |
| 11:57.15 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:57.25 | AStorm | yes, Java VM is buggy as hell |
| 11:57.32 | AStorm | that's what you get with scope creep |
| 11:58.16 | AStorm | Sun couldn't decide what to do with it |
| 11:58.33 | AStorm | and the team desperately tried to get it out and have nice jobs ;P |
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| 12:01.35 | RST38h | will not even mention the current size of Java runtime libraries |
| 12:01.54 | RST38h | (which also have to be maintained compatible across multiple platforms) |
| 12:01.55 | AStorm | :> |
| 12:02.12 | AStorm | well, size of Python runtime isn't much lower |
| 12:02.28 | AStorm | but it can easily be trimmed :> |
| 12:02.42 | RST38h | At least Python is not being hyped as our ultimate salvation |
| 12:03.01 | AStorm | hopefully |
| 12:03.12 | AStorm | nothing can save us except the death of incompetent coders |
| 12:03.16 | wazd | hey everybody :) |
| 12:03.27 | AStorm | hello |
| 12:03.56 | RST38h | "coder" is incompetent by definition |
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| 12:04.11 | RST38h | as someone who "codes" instead of designing stuff |
| 12:04.12 | wazd | Does anybody knows Reggie's Jabber/MSN/ICQ/ any IM?) |
| 12:04.17 | AStorm | yeah, the real name is programmer |
| 12:05.11 | AStorm | except in scene circles |
| 12:08.54 | RST38h | those are "coders" |
| 12:09.15 | RST38h | had to converse with a few - most of them do not understand what they do and just expect instant gratification |
| 12:10.54 | AStorm | wrong part of the scene I guess :> |
| 12:11.00 | GAN800 | wazd, just pm him on itT? |
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| 12:51.27 | lcuk | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146286/linux_may_power_new_nokia_phones.html |
| 12:51.54 | RST38h | old news |
| 12:52.02 | RST38h | nokia officially denied it since |
| 12:52.19 | lcuk | ok |
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| 13:02.58 | lopz | hi |
| 13:03.05 | johnx | hello |
| 13:07.32 | lopz | how use the libgtkmozembed + python ? |
| 13:07.41 | lopz | import gtkmozembed ? |
| 13:07.49 | lopz | module not found :( |
| 13:07.51 | lopz | any ideas ? |
| 13:08.45 | roope | rts38h: Where did Nokia deny it? |
| 13:09.30 | glass | and "may" |
| 13:09.33 | glass | so |
| 13:09.46 | glass | of course it's possible that they'll use it in phones sometime |
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| 13:10.11 | glass | and the guy who said it was finance guy, who thought it was probably sexy to say something linux |
| 13:10.37 | glass | he should have known better that it would be taken too seriously by a crapload of people though |
| 13:24.00 | thopiekar | hi @ all... is there a way to develop programs for Maemo easier and faster as in this official howto-wiki http://maemo.org/development/training/?? |
| 13:24.12 | RST38h | roope: a moment |
| 13:24.48 | thopiekar | ... basicly with eclipse and sb ... |
| 13:24.57 | RST38h | roope: http://www.fiercewireless.com/europe/story/nokia-denies-shift-towards-linux-handsets/2008-05-22 |
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| 13:27.33 | *** topic/#maemo is development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 13:28.47 | thopiekar | lcuk, can you directly look at what you are programmin'?? (,because it isn't possible at eclipse) |
| 13:28.48 | thopiekar | .. |
| 13:29.09 | lcuk | what do you mean? they are both source editors |
| 13:29.41 | lcuk | or do you mean full breakpoints and interaction whilst running? |
| 13:29.46 | thopiekar | a preview of your "programmed" window.. |
| 13:30.55 | lcuk | im not sure i get you |
| 13:33.23 | RST38h | thopiekar: do you mean debugger? |
| 13:34.38 | johnx | thopiekar, can you link to a screenshot? |
| 13:35.17 | thopiekar | one moment please ;) |
| 13:37.34 | thopiekar | http://freenet-homepage.de/thopiekar/maemo/app_vb_01.png |
| 13:39.15 | johnx | thopiekar, so, something like this: http://glade.gnome.org/screenshots.html ? |
| 13:40.06 | thopiekar | johnx yeah thx |
| 13:40.20 | thopiekar | are there more applications? |
| 13:41.31 | johnx | I think you can use glade, then modify it a bit to use hildon on the tablet |
| 13:42.38 | thopiekar | thanks.. there was a porting-to-maemo howto on maemo.org... ;) |
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| 13:44.09 | drwx | h, I'm trying o install maemo 4 sdk on ubuntu hardy: I have this error : Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:44.19 | drwx | can you help me? |
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| 13:44.33 | thopiekar | strange i had no problems |
| 13:44.42 | thopiekar | do you used the scripts? |
| 13:44.47 | drwx | yes |
| 13:45.11 | drwx | I'm re-trying it |
| 13:45.16 | thopiekar | can you post the outputs?? |
| 13:46.07 | lcuk | thopiekar, i think the form layout view you posted would be better on the device itself ;) |
| 13:46.12 | drwx | I lost it |
| 13:48.22 | thopiekar | lcuk, howto?? |
| 13:49.04 | lcuk | not yet, but what better method can you think for laying out graphical objects than with your tablet itself? |
| 13:49.39 | thopiekar | i think there was a "little" how to on maemo.org |
| 13:49.45 | thopiekar | using ssh |
| 13:49.55 | johnx | lcuk, maybe using xephyr on the PC? |
| 13:50.10 | thopiekar | or this way^^ |
| 13:50.26 | lcuk | my pc isnt touchscreen though |
| 13:51.28 | thopiekar | you can use you pc-mouse instead of you pen or finger... |
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| 13:52.41 | thopiekar | drwx, have you installed scratchbox?? |
| 13:53.12 | thopiekar | .. and which script gives out this errror code?? |
| 13:57.33 | drwx | thopiekar: I installed scratchbox with this: maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh, and I try to install to install maemo 4 with : maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh |
| 13:58.46 | drwx | I have a lot of error this kind : dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of osso-games-startup: |
| 13:58.46 | drwx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.04 | drwx | Package libhildonfm2 is not configured yet. |
| 13:59.09 | RST38h | Komodo is not free right? |
| 13:59.38 | lcuk | edit is, ide isnt |
| 13:59.42 | RST38h | ah |
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| 14:00.01 | lcuk | i only use edit cos compilation is via console window |
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| 14:00.18 | thopiekar | drwx, login in into scratchbox and remove your targets |
| 14:00.19 | lcuk | it was no different in my linux vmware |
| 14:00.42 | thopiekar | drwx, ... then use the maemo-sdk script to reinstall it |
| 14:01.13 | lcuk | but now because im compiling directly on device cutting out the scratchbox step i can use windows as primary editing arena :) |
| 14:01.33 | lcuk | and when i change to linux or mac i can continue as well |
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| 14:02.20 | drwx | thopiekar: I must use maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh ? |
| 14:06.24 | drwx | thopiekar: I have the message : You cannot remove the active target! Select another target first |
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| 14:09.57 | thopiekar | drwx try to make a "dummy"-target... with any configurations... then remove the last target |
| 14:10.45 | thopiekar | when you are finished with the reinstallation then you can remove the dummy-target again^^ |
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| 14:12.41 | drwx | ok, I think there is a dependency problem on maemo repository |
| 14:15.12 | thopiekar | really?! |
| 14:17.34 | drwx | I dont see another possibility |
| 14:19.05 | summatusmentis | alright, what's the first thing I should do upon getting my N810? I've been told the OS on it will be out of date |
| 14:19.46 | johnx | summatusmentis, yup, flash to the latest OS2008 |
| 14:20.05 | summatusmentis | then it's just a matter of installing wanted apps |
| 14:20.12 | johnx | yup |
| 14:20.14 | summatusmentis | or probably in my case, setting up a debian chroot |
| 14:20.19 | johnx | :) |
| 14:21.10 | summatusmentis | once the debian chroot is set up, do the apps still run under the normal nokia interface? |
| 14:21.24 | summatusmentis | or will I need to give up the interface, and run the standard nokia apps under kde3? |
| 14:22.37 | johnx | you just chroot into debian, export DISPLAY=:0 and run the app |
| 14:22.48 | summatusmentis | can that be setup automatically? |
| 14:23.12 | johnx | yes, with a very short script, and a .desktop file to make it show up in the menu |
| 14:23.21 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 14:23.51 | summatusmentis | the other option would be to boot into debian with kde. Could I then do the reverse into maemo? |
| 14:24.17 | johnx | hmm...I'm not positive how well that would work for all apps |
| 14:25.37 | johnx | it's worth a try |
| 14:25.50 | RST38h | installed radare on Ubuntu but then deleted it |
| 14:25.55 | RST38h | way too eleet |
| 14:26.05 | johnx | googles |
| 14:26.19 | summatusmentis | johnx: so if I ran debian, I'd have to only use the debian stuff |
| 14:26.50 | johnx | summatusmentis, you might be able to get the OS2008 stuff running in a chroot with a little effort |
| 14:27.26 | johnx | also, there is an effort to get the open source parts of maemo packaged up for Debian |
| 14:27.39 | summatusmentis | I'm just looking at all options, I don't know what I'm going to need from OS2008 |
| 14:27.49 | johnx | Eventually that should pick up a bit when Ubuntu Mobile stuff starts shipping I think |
| 14:28.17 | johnx | summatusmentis, the real question is what do you *need* from Debian |
| 14:29.04 | johnx | RST38h, for a hex editor that looks like overkill. I use "hexedit" |
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| 14:29.14 | summatusmentis | johnx: so you're suggesting I keep OS2008, and chroot the debian stuff |
| 14:29.24 | RST38h | johnx: what killed it in my eyes is the lack of interactivity |
| 14:29.40 | RST38h | it uses command line, even inside a gui, and most commands are obscure |
| 14:29.53 | johnx | summatusmentis, I'm asking what you *need* from Debian that can't be easily repackaged for Os2008 |
| 14:29.55 | RST38h | I have not found how to do simple things (running a program or stepping it) |
| 14:30.07 | summatusmentis | johnx: that's just it, I have no idea |
| 14:30.11 | RST38h | And the display gets garbled when radare tries to draw too many arrows |
| 14:30.28 | RST38h | is wondering if there is a unix version of IDA ;) |
| 14:30.31 | johnx | summatusmentis, I use OS2008 for every day stuff and find it fairly complete |
| 14:30.31 | summatusmentis | johnx: partially the full debian system, but I'm not sure about that :) |
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| 14:33.06 | summatusmentis | I like the idea of having full linux, and not busybox, on the N810 |
| 14:33.25 | johnx | You can get coreutils for OS2008 |
| 14:33.33 | summatusmentis | and of KDE, but I gather that can be run inside of OS2008? |
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| 14:33.40 | johnx | yes |
| 14:33.42 | johnx | there are trade-offs either way |
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| 14:34.06 | johnx | you trade usability for features no matter what |
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| 14:34.33 | RST38h | OS2008 is pretty decent, whatever "not debian" crowd is saying |
| 14:34.50 | summatusmentis | RST38h: no, I agree, I've played with it |
| 14:35.00 | summatusmentis | I'm a fan of debian, I must say :) |
| 14:35.14 | johnx | likes OS2008 just fine :) |
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| 14:35.47 | drwx | thopiekar: I re-tryed installing maemo from the script, I have the same error : dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fontconfig: fontconfig depends on gconf2 (>= 2.6.0); however:Package gconf2 is not configured yet. |
| 14:35.49 | lcuk | i am of the opinion that tablet software should not be a direct clone of the desktop application. the interaction is different and should be catered for correctly |
| 14:36.05 | RST38h | lcuk: no argument here |
| 14:36.11 | summatusmentis | lcuk: I sort of agree, but I would like full functionality |
| 14:36.23 | summatusmentis | I don't want apps to be 'lightened' or cut down |
| 14:36.26 | RST38h | summa: in many cases you can't have full functionality |
| 14:36.35 | RST38h | in other cases, you can't have full functionality on the desktop |
| 14:36.37 | johnx | lcuk, it depends on the situation, and as I'm sure you know: modification takes time and effort |
| 14:36.51 | summatusmentis | RST38h: fair enough |
| 14:36.51 | timtom | On OS2008, can I use dbus tricks with browser_dbuscmd.sh to do some weird stuff with microb? I can close/open a window... but what else? I want to save the current page with touching me screen :D |
| 14:36.53 | lcuk | no arguments there johnx :) |
| 14:36.53 | RST38h | Numpty Physics or MyPaint are good examples of packages that work better on a tablet |
| 14:36.57 | summatusmentis | perhaps I'm too demanding :) |
| 14:37.00 | thopiekar | drwx try to remove everything (sb, too) with: |
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| 14:37.24 | thopiekar | sudo apt-get remove scratchbox |
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| 14:37.38 | johnx | RST38h, Vagalume too :D |
| 14:39.09 | summatusmentis | Vagalume is last.fm compat. app right? |
| 14:39.23 | RST38h | Vagalume runs just fine on the desktop |
| 14:39.28 | RST38h | No problem there |
| 14:39.39 | lcuk | if the desktop applciations were created and designed with an extended resolution range and intelligently folded up the fluff leaving enough room to work cleanly no matter what resolution then we wouldnt be having this conversation |
| 14:40.26 | johnx | RST38h, but it's more *useful* on the tablet. I can poke it with my finger and drag my tablet it around while I'm doing dishes or whatever. On my desktop I might as well use a different music app. |
| 14:40.27 | summatusmentis | lcuk: that's fair |
| 14:41.25 | summatusmentis | and there is no MS format compatable tools, is that correct? abiword/gnumeric, or OO.org, or something? |
| 14:41.27 | lcuk | im enjoying this tablet because im building from the ground up :) the results of it would appear to scale upwards better than trying to fit a large program in a small box |
| 14:42.08 | lcuk | there is apparantly an abiword compatible editor from the abiword guys (ie a butdown abiword) available somewhere |
| 14:42.14 | lcuk | cutdown^ |
| 14:42.41 | summatusmentis | and that'll probably read .doc but not .docx, correct? |
| 14:42.48 | lcuk | dunno |
| 14:43.09 | johnx | lcuk, Good. That's very much "the Unix way." Somewhere along the line a lot of people who write desktop Linux software seem to have lost sight of that and included everything (plus the kitchen sink) |
| 14:43.12 | summatusmentis | ok, I'll look around once I get the device |
| 14:48.22 | fnordianslip | in case anyone wondered, installing webmin on chinook isn't entirely starightforward |
| 14:49.00 | fnordianslip | the install got bogged down in the post-install scripts and it couldn't fork any more processes |
| 14:49.21 | fnordianslip | however, the uninstaller seems to run ok ;-) |
| 14:49.48 | fnordianslip | erm, i mean't straightforward instead of that other 'word' |
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| 15:03.19 | drwx | I want to record a sound a N810 using this methode: http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Misc/GLFM/lm15/audio.htm . but there is no /dev/audi on maemo what is the equivalent? |
| 15:03.30 | drwx | /dev/audio |
| 15:05.38 | lcuk | anyone know if hypercard has been built for maemo? |
| 15:05.51 | summatusmentis | what is hypercard? |
| 15:06.01 | blafasel | hrhr |
| 15:06.17 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 15:06.18 | blafasel | Hypercard, the apple stack stuff? |
| 15:06.20 | qwerty12 | lcuk, run it in the mac emulator |
| 15:06.24 | GAN8001 | Is that a serious question, lcuk? |
| 15:06.31 | lcuk | yes |
| 15:06.40 | blafasel | Well, Haypercard made the slashdot frontpage today ;) |
| 15:06.52 | GAN8001 | Gawd, I remember playing with train simulations in hypercard back in the mid 90s |
| 15:06.58 | blafasel | and brought back quite some fond memories |
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| 15:08.11 | lardman | drwx: see how's it's done in here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-recorder/ |
| 15:08.18 | lcuk | yer but ive just got back from holiday after making hundreds of small sketches and am trying to code them together and after reading about it on slash im thinking at least some of the work has been done and i wanted to have a look at how it felt in maemo to see if it fits with a touch environment |
| 15:08.37 | Proteous | I remember making games in hypercard |
| 15:08.42 | lcuk | (my liqbase lets me create and save and manipulate notes and sketches) |
| 15:08.44 | Proteous | and flipbook type animations |
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| 15:09.44 | pupnik_ | sketches of what? |
| 15:10.16 | lcuk | paragraphs of notes and ideas and bits for the presentation |
| 15:10.38 | lcuk | and doodles and whatever i would normally scribble onto a notepad |
| 15:10.52 | lcuk | i want to keep them all and tag them and have ideas evolve out of them |
| 15:11.37 | lardman | thinks that Nokia should definitely have video out in the next tablet - and a slide show app too |
| 15:11.37 | Proteous | you need magic |
| 15:12.23 | freelikegnu | does ukmp use mplayer for audio files as well as video? |
| 15:12.23 | GAN8001 | I want that USB VGA magic to become usable. |
| 15:13.57 | lcuk | speaking of video out, i think i need to make a couple of short movies for presentation |
| 15:14.11 | lardman | GAN8001: do you have a link to the hw? |
| 15:14.17 | lcuk | lardman, pupnik, do we know what kind of presentation tech we have available? |
| 15:14.28 | pupnik_ | a projector is given, dunno what model |
| 15:14.28 | GAN8001 | lcuk, maemopad+? xournal? |
| 15:14.28 | timtom | I'll anwer my own question, for the records |
| 15:14.28 | timtom | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-interface/tablet-browser-interface.h?root=browser&rev=622&view=markup |
| 15:14.28 | timtom | #define OSSO_BROWSER_SAVE_URL_REQ "save_url" |
| 15:14.28 | blafasel | lardman: Like the stuff the beta labs from Nokia presented? |
| 15:15.07 | lcuk | maemopad doesnt feel right, its not quick enough and besides - i want to draw AND/OR type at the same time - theres no reason why i cant do both |
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| 15:15.25 | lardman | will there be a computer of some description, as I wasn't planning on bringing a laptop? |
| 15:15.49 | lardman | blafasel: I thought that was VNC over the network? |
| 15:16.04 | qwerty12 | No, I think that was NoBounds. |
| 15:16.07 | RST38h | Why make a single application for both drawing and typing - escapes me |
| 15:16.18 | GAN8001 | lardman, see my post here for a link to the hardware and pictures. |
| 15:16.28 | lcuk | because i have a touchscreen and keyboard together and both things to with each other |
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| 15:16.50 | GAN8001 | lcuk, maemopad+ is open source. |
| 15:16.56 | lcuk | yes i know |
| 15:17.32 | lcuk | also, a treeview for viewing the notes isnt great, i want to fit as much on screen as possible |
| 15:17.34 | GAN8001 | Oh, right, the link: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19566&page=2 |
| 15:18.31 | lardman | GAN8001: which post out of interest? I've just had a look though the backlog and can't see any urls |
| 15:18.57 | GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19566&page=2 |
| 15:19.10 | lardman | thanks :) |
| 15:19.25 | GAN8001 | Sin of omission. :P |
| 15:20.00 | lardman | looks cool |
| 15:20.10 | GAN8001 | It's slow as shit at the moment with X. |
| 15:20.26 | blafasel | Right, I was talking about the nobounds concept. |
| 15:20.38 | GAN8001 | FBReader took about 10 seconds to render completely |
| 15:20.51 | qwerty12 | o.0 |
| 15:21.47 | GAN8001 | Faster with plain image display (the horses) |
| 15:21.47 | GAN8001 | So it would make for a decent presentation system. |
| 15:21.47 | lardman | looks to see how much the hw costs |
| 15:21.47 | lardman | GAN8001: urgh |
| 15:24.56 | GAN8001 | I paid $80 |
| 15:24.56 | GAN8001 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200034&Tpk=startech%2busb2vga |
| 15:24.56 | GAN8001 | Is the slightly cheaper model. |
| 15:25.01 | lardman | I've got to pop to the shops before they close, will have a look when I get back ~30min |
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| 15:25.20 | GAN8001 | Maybe somebody will have one already that they can bring. |
| 15:25.55 | drwx | do you know if there is way to get a /dev/audi on maemo? |
| 15:27.05 | drwx | /dev/audio |
| 15:27.35 | straind` | I was hoping there might be an Audi in maemo. :( |
| 15:28.00 | drwx | :-D |
| 15:28.38 | qwerty12 | I want my spinnin wheels :p |
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| 15:29.39 | GAN8001 | Audi sux |
| 15:30.03 | GAN8001 | Lame Quattro |
| 15:30.20 | freelikegnu | igee thats not a troll |
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| 15:33.07 | johnx | The Audio Quattro was a cool car :P |
| 15:33.32 | drwx | I see a /dev/dsptask/audiopp, it might be what I need? |
| 15:33.52 | johnx | drwx, what do you want? an OSS audio device? an alsa device? |
| 15:34.03 | GAN8001 | johnx, I was referring to the AWD system, not the actual car. :P |
| 15:34.58 | johnx | GAN800, AWD in general or Audi's implementation? |
| 15:35.02 | drwx | johnx: I made a program to record a sound like this way : fd_audio = open ("/dev/audio", O_RDONLY)) |
| 15:35.15 | drwx | and I want to use it on N800 |
| 15:35.35 | johnx | drwx, hmm...sorry I have no idea O_o |
| 15:36.06 | blafasel | I like my Audi quite a lot ;-) |
| 15:36.16 | RST38h | drw: you are fucked. |
| 15:36.25 | qwerty12 | Front or Back? |
| 15:36.28 | GAN8001 | In general, real men drive RWD. |
| 15:36.32 | RST38h | both ways. |
| 15:36.36 | blafasel | RWD? |
| 15:37.03 | RST38h | GAN: Real men drive whatever doesn't skid too much. |
| 15:37.20 | RST38h | Which, unless you are driving on ice, is AWD... |
| 15:37.23 | GAN8001 | Rear-wheel drive, blafasel. |
| 15:37.24 | johnx | GAN800, I like RWD too, but AWD is nice in the snow. Sometimes 2 wheels just isn't enough |
| 15:37.50 | drwx | RST38h: why? |
| 15:37.50 | GAN8001 | No arguments here, but I don't drive in snowâever. ;) |
| 15:38.01 | johnx | GAN800, Real men drive in the snow :P |
| 15:38.07 | RST38h | drwx: no accessible audio device on Maemo |
| 15:38.13 | RST38h | drwx: have to use ESD |
| 15:38.31 | blafasel | Ah.. Google led me to polish aircrafts called RWD. Misleading ;-p |
| 15:38.48 | RST38h | GAN: See? No real man =) |
| 15:38.50 | GAN8001 | AWD is understeer city, anyway. |
| 15:39.05 | drwx | RST38h: that's a shame! |
| 15:39.06 | johnx | GAN800, yeah. |
| 15:39.07 | freelikegnu | johnx do you know if does a2dp work with ukmp |
| 15:39.12 | johnx | wants a skyline :/ |
| 15:39.16 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
| 15:39.23 | GAN8001 | wants an E30 M3. |
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| 15:39.48 | johnx | freelikegnu, if ukmp can use mplayer for playback, then yes |
| 15:39.51 | RST38h | drwx: firebomb Nokia hq |
| 15:40.09 | freelikegnu | it seems to use mplayer for video |
| 15:40.31 | freelikegnu | not sure what it uses for playing mp3 and other audio files |
| 15:40.39 | johnx | freelikegnu, IIRC you can change it in settings? |
| 15:40.41 | drwx | RST38h: violence is not the solution... :-D |
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| 15:41.01 | freelikegnu | heh I could not find the ukmp settings file |
| 15:41.15 | freelikegnu | doesnt seem to be in gconf either |
| 15:41.25 | GAN8001 | You'll change your tune after the great trout-walloping expedition of summer 2008 brings us an all-open OMAP3 tablet. |
| 15:41.42 | GAN8001 | . . . and user-selectable 12/24h time |
| 15:41.54 | wolfspirit | Has anyone got awt working under jalimo or any other java implementation on the nokia? |
| 15:42.03 | qwerty12 | is fine with 12h |
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| 15:42.24 | lcuk | im not, i keep thinking ive coded till dawn |
| 15:42.25 | crashanddie | I'll take a Ferrari California GT, or my dream car, a Shelby GT... The old ones... Though I have to say, I do love the M6 too |
| 15:42.45 | crashanddie | btw, any word on Diablo yet ? |
| 15:42.50 | GAN8001 | New cars are getting a little out of hand. |
| 15:42.57 | GAN8001 | Overweight and way to automated. |
| 15:43.16 | johnx | GAN800++ O_o |
| 15:43.18 | GAN8001 | s/to/too/ |
| 15:43.32 | johnx | GAN800, half the time I think I'll end up getting VW Beetle |
| 15:43.37 | crashanddie | Well, electronics is good... I mean, I wouldn't want to have to drive a Ford GT without any driving aids in a pedestrian zone... |
| 15:43.46 | GAN8001 | Although most of the weight can be attributed to safety features. :P |
| 15:43.47 | lcuk | like bullbars? |
| 15:43.56 | crashanddie | There's only one condition needed: you have to be able to turn it off |
| 15:44.03 | johnx | GAN800, and stupid stuff like electricly adjusted seats :P |
| 15:44.09 | lcuk | don't wanna scratch the painwork with an errant pedestrian |
| 15:44.30 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, this is true, but I'm thinking more along the lines of stupid transmission technologies. |
| 15:44.58 | crashanddie | If you guys want a car that bumps it up a bit, not too flashy, and not too expensive, without all the bullshit useless electronics features, get a Vauxhall Monaro |
| 15:45.29 | GAN8001 | The horrifying "GTO" abortion state-side. <_< |
| 15:45.51 | GAN8001 | Pontiac would probably have been OK if they didn't try and cash in on the GTO name with it. . . . |
| 15:45.52 | crashanddie | it's about £35k, so that's affordable |
| 15:46.08 | GAN8001 | But there aint nothin' GTO about a Monaro. |
| 15:46.11 | glass | old cars have old tech.. i love classic cars but wouldn't want to daily drive with them |
| 15:46.18 | johnx | crashanddie, sorry, $3500 is affordable to me :P |
| 15:46.28 | GAN8001 | Most definitely, glass. |
| 15:46.35 | GAN8001 | I'll keep my Camry as the daily-driver. ;) |
| 15:46.43 | crashanddie | johnx, lol... |
| 15:46.52 | crashanddie | johnx, that's the price of my bike :P |
| 15:46.54 | glass | suspension, engine power etc are often pretty crap in classics |
| 15:47.08 | johnx | glass, true enough about suspension |
| 15:47.09 | crashanddie | johnx, well, no... my bike is 3.5keuro |
| 15:47.27 | johnx | my 96 subie impreza wagon was ~$4000 |
| 15:48.44 | johnx | (in 2006) |
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| 15:49.39 | GAN8001 | itT has just been a complete and total write-off this weekend. |
| 15:49.55 | johnx | GAN800, I picked a good couple days to be AFK then :D |
| 15:49.56 | eichi | is there a nice software for geocaching? |
| 15:50.57 | GAN8001 | Some asshole is always guaranteed to come in with their ill-informed opinions in threads like the itTSS one and derail it just as it starts becoming useful and productive. |
| 15:51.14 | johnx | GAN800, ITTSS? |
| 15:51.25 | johnx | I missed the "acronym of the week" memo... |
| 15:51.28 | GAN8001 | Oh, you missed that one? |
| 15:51.32 | GAN8001 | is envious. |
| 15:51.37 | johnx | eichi, geopoi maybe? |
| 15:51.57 | crashanddie | GAN800 & johnx: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qn7Z-iLa8h0 |
| 15:51.57 | GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20261 |
| 15:52.00 | summatusmentis | geopoi was what was mentioned on the wiki |
| 15:52.06 | GAN8001 | Steel yourself, johnx. |
| 15:52.19 | johnx | GAN800, I'm beyond jaded...you have no idea |
| 15:52.21 | qwerty12 | really doesn't give 2 shits about the administration side of maemo, filing bugs, new download locations etc. I just go on there for the apps, games etc. |
| 15:52.30 | johnx | GAN800, ah, forum drama? |
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| 15:53.05 | GAN8001 | Really, everything should be in Extras/Extras-devel |
| 15:53.12 | GAN8001 | I don't ever want to have to open a web browser for software. |
| 15:53.46 | GAN8001 | johnx, I <3 forum drama. I'm almost guaranteed to pick up 30 or 40 thanks when I jump in. :D |
| 15:53.53 | GAN8001 | Thanks! == discount code. . . . |
| 15:54.12 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, hot stuff. |
| 15:54.30 | johnx | could we get an automated extras repo -> rss feed? |
| 15:54.36 | johnx | cause that would be awesome |
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| 15:54.43 | gourdin | when is planed the next n8x0 os ? |
| 15:54.49 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: how does thanks == discount code? |
| 15:54.53 | GAN8001 | Diablo is coming out in a month or two, gourdin. |
| 15:54.54 | freelikegnu | gah now my n800 is rebooting half way through startup :( |
| 15:55.13 | gourdin | GAN8001: great :) |
| 15:55.16 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, karma factors into discount code distribution. |
| 15:55.17 | qwerty12 | What did you change :p |
| 15:55.21 | summatusmentis | also, is there a way to find changes between diablo and current? |
| 15:55.37 | freelikegnu | qwerty I intalled some apps since last startup |
| 15:55.43 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: discount code distribution is built into ITT? |
| 15:55.49 | GAN8001 | johnx, basically, we talked Reggie out of duplicating all the effort and fragmenting things and syndication Downloads/Garage |
| 15:55.51 | crashanddie | freelikegnu, you didn't apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, did you ? |
| 15:55.53 | GAN8001 | No, summatusmentis. |
| 15:55.58 | qwerty12 | freelikegnu, You don't have bootmenu installed by any chance? |
| 15:55.58 | freelikegnu | nope |
| 15:56.00 | GAN8001 | But it'll help. |
| 15:56.09 | johnx | summatusmentis, maybe a simple shell script involving diff and a nice person running diablo? |
| 15:56.13 | crashanddie | GAN800, is there a thanks/post ratio involved ? |
| 15:56.19 | freelikegnu | qwerty12: no boot menu installed :P |
| 15:56.33 | crashanddie | GAN800, cuz I've posted like what... 2 times, and have 8 thanks... So that's a ratio a 4... :D |
| 15:56.41 | GAN8001 | Ha |
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| 15:56.45 | summatusmentis | johnx: I'm just wondering if feature improvements will be made, that's all |
| 15:56.46 | crashanddie | s/a/of |
| 15:56.48 | dererk | Hi ppl! :) |
| 15:56.49 | GAN8001 | Thanks are a recent addition |
| 15:56.49 | freelikegnu | crashanddie: I didnt use apt-get recently |
| 15:56.57 | simboss | guys, Iam trying to install meamo-pc-connectivity |
| 15:57.03 | dererk | Do you know if Firefox3 port to MicroB is already available? |
| 15:57.05 | GAN8001 | So there's a lot of 2005-2007 members who have a lots of posts pre-thanks. |
| 15:57.09 | simboss | but it fails since it seems to need *fuse libs? |
| 15:57.13 | gourdin | does diablo have an official website ? |
| 15:57.13 | simboss | where can I get them= |
| 15:57.25 | johnx | summatusmentis, not many |
| 15:57.26 | GAN8001 | What, dererk? |
| 15:57.32 | qwerty12 | simboss, add the maemo sdk+ repo |
| 15:57.36 | summatusmentis | johnx: fair enough |
| 15:57.38 | GAN8001 | MicroB is based on Gecko a1 |
| 15:57.42 | freelikegnu | guess I'll have to reflash :P |
| 15:57.50 | qwerty12 | I had to do some more hacking to get the maemo-pc-connectivity to install under diablo :/ |
| 15:57.54 | crashanddie | johnx, we're gonna get the "Easy Update" feature, right ? |
| 15:57.59 | GAN8001 | gourdin, maemo.org :P |
| 15:58.01 | qwerty12 | SSU |
| 15:58.07 | summatusmentis | I need to just get my mahine already, so that I can stop asking innane questions, and instead just try stuff out |
| 15:58.08 | johnx | crashanddie, yup...after one more flash :) |
| 15:58.10 | crashanddie | johnx, because for me, that's all that counts, tbh |
| 15:58.10 | dererk | GAN800, Uhm, I was almost sure MicroB was based on Mozilla browser |
| 15:58.14 | GAN8001 | gourdin, see the Internet Tablet OS wikipedia article for more details. |
| 15:58.23 | crashanddie | johnx, plus, after that, updates might be easier to schedule for the team, I guess |
| 15:58.30 | GAN8001 | dererk, it's based on Gecko, which is the Mozilla rendering engine. |
| 15:58.32 | gourdin | GAN8001: ok, thx :) |
| 15:58.39 | simboss | qwerty12: this one http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/? |
| 15:58.44 | GAN8001 | considers fleshing that out more. |
| 15:59.06 | dererk | GAN800, then my question was not all that wrong :P |
| 15:59.12 | GAN8001 | Anybody have a link to konttori's recent interview handy? |
| 15:59.30 | GAN8001 | dererk, I just didn't understand the question |
| 15:59.36 | qwerty12 | simboss, check out http://blog.chatonka.com/2008/05/using-cpu-transparency-with-scratchbox/ , thanks to wolf08 |
| 15:59.40 | GAN8001 | I wasn't correcting you, just trying to clarify things. :P |
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| 16:01.13 | dererk | GAN800, :) |
| 16:01.37 | simboss | qwerty12: I am following that tutorial, but the app manager keeps complaining about missing mount-full!! |
| 16:01.48 | dererk | I was told it was already available somewhere for N810 |
| 16:02.08 | qwerty12 | simboss, Look into editing the dpkg "status" file. Too tired to explain more. |
| 16:02.37 | GAN8001 | It's bundled with OS2008. |
| 16:02.43 | simboss | qwerty12: thx :-) |
| 16:03.05 | GAN8001 | You may also be thinking of the Minefield port or the Fennec mobile mozilla, neither of which are particularly usable at the moment. |
| 16:03.17 | dererk | GAN800, not the Firefox3 port |
| 16:03.32 | dererk | GAN800, (it's already ff rc1) |
| 16:03.59 | dererk | GAN800, did you try it? |
| 16:04.25 | GAN8001 | I have previously |
| 16:04.32 | GAN8001 | Not suited for a touchscreen interface |
| 16:04.32 | GAN8001 | bloaty |
| 16:04.38 | GAN8001 | and Fennec is crash-happy. |
| 16:04.45 | dererk | :( |
| 16:05.00 | GAN8001 | We're probably 1-2 years away from a really polish Fennec. |
| 16:05.05 | GAN8001 | *polished. |
| 16:05.06 | dererk | I found terrifying horrible slowly my microb |
| 16:05.17 | GAN8001 | Anybody remember the official designation for Diablo? OS2008 Maintence Upgrade or somesuch |
| 16:05.29 | dererk | s/found/find/ |
| 16:05.38 | GAN8001 | dererk, did you have Fit View to Width on? |
| 16:05.44 | GAN8001 | MicroB works just fine here. |
| 16:06.22 | dererk | bbl |
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| 16:09.20 | crashanddie | Yeah, I'd love a microb that works a bit faster |
| 16:09.32 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, try the svn? |
| 16:09.44 | GAN8001 | It a pretty decent improvement. |
| 16:09.47 | crashanddie | cuz having it run in circles for 20 seconds saying "connecting" is pretty slow, and kinda kills surfing for me |
| 16:10.17 | GAN8001 | Anybody, konttori's interview or the official name for Diablo? |
| 16:10.28 | crashanddie | GAN800, linky link ? |
| 16:10.48 | GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 |
| 16:11.37 | crashanddie | yeah found something |
| 16:11.44 | crashanddie | I'll try it later on, really nice improvement ? |
| 16:11.58 | crashanddie | cuz I have FiOS, and it feels like I'm still in Dialup |
| 16:12.04 | blafasel | Navi: Still needing a mirror for those files? |
| 16:12.19 | GAN8001 | Largely, yes |
| 16:12.26 | GAN8001 | Little buggier in some ways |
| 16:12.26 | blafasel | (Post is 20 days old, so I guess the answer is "no") |
| 16:12.31 | GAN8001 | But scrolling is smooth as silk. |
| 16:12.52 | crashanddie | GAN800, that would be perfect, tbh |
| 16:12.57 | crashanddie | GAN800, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 16:13.18 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, Do you know if Navi compiled the latest latest SVN? I really need it on my Diablo :/ |
| 16:13.37 | GAN8001 | btw, the Connecting bouncing is usually due to your router not playing nice with wifi powersaving. |
| 16:13.53 | GAN8001 | qwerty12, I don't know if it's been updated since he compiled it. |
| 16:14.02 | qwerty12 | Ah, ok. |
| 16:14.06 | lardman | re |
| 16:14.22 | qwerty12 | I can't use that build because I have a feeling it won't play nice with browserd |
| 16:14.43 | qwerty12 | I learnt my lesson when I tried osso-xterm built for chinook in diablo. |
| 16:15.03 | lcuk | lardman, did you reach the shops - i almost had to do a milk run ;) |
| 16:15.30 | konttori | GAN8001: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=workshop,articles,414 |
| 16:15.35 | konttori | There's the link |
| 16:15.40 | lardman | lcuk: yep, Waitrose is open 'till 5 thankfully |
| 16:15.40 | crashanddie | GAN800, I don't think my router has powersaving |
| 16:16.17 | lcuk | good, next wekk, this sit down dinner, is it black tie and do we need to book tickets in advance? |
| 16:16.18 | crashanddie | erhm |
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| 16:16.25 | crashanddie | I get a whole lot of "undefined" on that website |
| 16:16.42 | lardman | lcuk: lol to black tie, I hope not |
| 16:16.56 | lcuk | same here, we could wear penguin suits i suppose |
| 16:16.57 | lardman | lcuk: Are there any specifics about it yet? |
| 16:17.03 | GAN8001 | The N8x0 does, crashanddie. |
| 16:17.12 | lcuk | lol @ that comment ^ |
| 16:17.20 | lcuk | <GAN8001> The N8x0 does crashanddie. |
| 16:17.32 | GAN8001 | Beautiful, thanks, crashanddie. |
| 16:17.37 | GAN8001 | Haaaar |
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| 16:18.36 | qwerty12 | lcuk, lol |
| 16:18.47 | crashanddie | lol... |
| 16:19.02 | crashanddie | not worse than "<crashanddie> I'm going to be Moonlit's Wii" |
| 16:19.13 | qwerty12 | lmao |
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| 16:19.24 | qwerty12 | Wii is a stupid name though. |
| 16:19.31 | GAN8001 | Wii is awesome. |
| 16:19.33 | crashanddie | it's an excellent name |
| 16:19.51 | lcuk | i like the small detail that the motes have poo in their product code |
| 16:19.59 | qwerty12 | I think it sounds shit. Get me PS3/X360 so I can play GTAIV |
| 16:20.11 | crashanddie | I have the Wii, and a PS3... We will spend some time on GTA IV or GT5:P, but when I have a few friends around, it's Wii all the time... |
| 16:20.18 | GAN8001 | Wii60 is the way to go. |
| 16:20.19 | crashanddie | Nothing like Mario Kart to goof around |
| 16:20.49 | GAN8001 | Wii for Nintendo's awesome innovative stuff and the social games |
| 16:20.55 | GAN8001 | 360 for the hardcore stuff |
| 16:20.58 | lcuk | crashanddie, but theres a lot more people around who just want to have fun with whole family and nintendo have tapped that market |
| 16:21.03 | crashanddie | "Wii was really meant for we, but that's doesn't my Mii isn't me" |
| 16:21.04 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, +1 :) |
| 16:21.12 | qwerty12 | Although I don't mind PS3 too. |
| 16:21.15 | crashanddie | lcuk, that's exactly what I said, didn't I ? |
| 16:21.21 | GAN8001 | PS3 pretty much has zero appeal to me. |
| 16:21.33 | lcuk | sorry, misread end |
| 16:22.07 | GAN8001 | Funnily enough, I was gong through my 360 games the other day and all but 1 is rated M. |
| 16:22.11 | crashanddie | I mean, the Wii is basically just bringing games to a social level again... |
| 16:22.17 | lcuk | ps3 as a technology concept is very interesting, but it seems like too much right now |
| 16:22.17 | GAN8001 | and that's Forza 2. |
| 16:22.25 | crashanddie | And I'm not talking about social as in "Lan party social CS or War3" |
| 16:22.43 | GAN8001 | Sony lost all of their exclusives to the 360. |
| 16:22.53 | GAN8001 | and a Playstation without its exclusives is just a joke. |
| 16:22.54 | lcuk | most people still dont have full HD entertainment systems and a wii on a smallish portable in bedroom rocks |
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| 16:23.23 | blafasel | crashanddie: Might be me, but I don't like seeing 2 to 4 people a) ruining the living room trying to play a tennis-like game or b) boxing like a new kind of star wars kid, Version 2.0 ;) |
| 16:23.24 | GAN8001 | plays his 360 on an old 17" Trinitron. |
| 16:23.33 | lcuk | though if i did have a big entertainment system i wouldnt like the idea of the kids throwing deadly motes around |
| 16:23.41 | qwerty12 | I guess HD is out of the question then? |
| 16:23.48 | GAN8001 | blafasel, you just aren't much fun, are you? :P |
| 16:23.48 | crashanddie | well, I have "the full HD experience", and that's why I got the PS3 in the first place... It's a great DVD upscaler, plus it gives me access to HD content, without investing in yet another HTPC |
| 16:23.58 | blafasel | GAN8001: Never. |
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| 16:24.15 | lcuk | we have a main tv thats only 26 inches |
| 16:24.16 | GAN8001 | Speaking of HD, Microsoft really got it right with h.264 streaming to the 360. |
| 16:24.21 | lcuk | no point in hd |
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| 16:24.48 | crashanddie | I got myself a nice 40" FullHD screen, the PS3 was a no-brainer after that |
| 16:25.06 | GAN8001 | My family got a 30" sharp in 2003. |
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| 16:25.18 | GAN8001 | 1024x768 16:9 |
| 16:25.27 | GAN8001 | Been replaced 3 times so far |
| 16:25.34 | crashanddie | though, I understand why bluray has such a hard time taking off |
| 16:25.35 | GAN8001 | is very thankful we got the warranty |
| 16:25.49 | GAN8001 | Keeping up with about every second generational upgrade with a new warranty-paid TV |
| 16:26.00 | crashanddie | between VHS and DVD, there was a huuuuge difference... Between DVD and Bluray, the difference is not that big... |
| 16:26.09 | AStorm | hello |
| 16:26.14 | qwerty12 | hi |
| 16:26.18 | crashanddie | hey |
| 16:26.24 | AStorm | hehehe! |
| 16:26.27 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, I'm betting IPTV/OnDemand/Netflix/AppleTV type stuff will take off more than Bluray |
| 16:26.29 | AStorm | It seems new kernel... works! |
| 16:26.35 | AStorm | wifi loaded too |
| 16:26.42 | qwerty12 | w00t |
| 16:26.49 | n800n | yup |
| 16:26.52 | GAN8001 | AStorm, any speed improvements with new scheduler? |
| 16:27.01 | AStorm | GAN8001: wait, the system has to load |
| 16:27.09 | crashanddie | GAN800, I have HD over IP, through my ISP... So yeah, I really understand what you're saying |
| 16:27.09 | AStorm | it's now showing the "hands" logo |
| 16:27.14 | AStorm | now a white screen, wait |
| 16:27.15 | qwerty12 | Then KABOOM |
| 16:27.30 | AStorm | it seems that auto updates slow down boot process considerably |
| 16:27.31 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, we bought an AppleTV for my mother last Christmas |
| 16:27.41 | AStorm | I'd have to disable this bling bling |
| 16:27.50 | GAN8001 | My dad and I rented The Darjeeling Limited in HD about a month ago |
| 16:27.51 | AStorm | or have manual update support turned on |
| 16:27.52 | GAN8001 | That's some hot shit. |
| 16:27.59 | AStorm | it's probably spamming dmesg |
| 16:28.18 | GAN8001 | Easy, looks great, works great, price is right. |
| 16:29.00 | crashanddie | GAN800, my ISP gives me a 100Mbit/50Mbit internet connection, 2 TV sets that can access 500 channels, about 100 of those in HD, and direct access to youtube/dailymotion/yahoo video/other major video websites directly on my TV, plus access to my whole media library on the network... |
| 16:29.14 | GAN8001 | whore. |
| 16:29.16 | GAN8001 | :P |
| 16:29.18 | blafasel | AppleTV would be neat if it supported displaying on a TFT as well. I don't own a TV ;) |
| 16:29.27 | crashanddie | GAN800, in total, I can watch 4 different HD streams at one given time (2 tvs, plus 2 on computers) |
| 16:29.47 | GAN8001 | blafasel, AppleTV would be neat if it weren't crippled to death. |
| 16:29.55 | GAN8001 | It doesn't particularly appeal to me |
| 16:29.59 | GAN8001 | but for my parents. . . . |
| 16:30.04 | GAN8001 | Dead easy is important. |
| 16:30.25 | n800n | i got a neuros osd |
| 16:30.27 | crashanddie | Plus also a phone with unlimited communications to half the world... Plus SIP access to use that phoneline from the n810 (so I can call the whole world as soon as I have wifi :D) |
| 16:30.29 | n800n | > appletv |
| 16:30.33 | crashanddie | GAN800, wanna know the price ? |
| 16:30.40 | GAN8001 | No. |
| 16:30.48 | crashanddie | :P |
| 16:30.51 | crashanddie | 30euro/month |
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| 16:30.53 | GAN8001 | Because it's just going to make me sad. |
| 16:31.09 | crashanddie | there is just one, big, huge, downside to all this |
| 16:31.27 | GAN8001 | We're $110 for 15/2 + HD Cable + unlimited phone |
| 16:31.28 | forge | 2gb monthly limit ? |
| 16:31.29 | crashanddie | You have to live in France... |
| 16:31.33 | forge | :) |
| 16:32.07 | crashanddie | anyway, gotta bring the sis back to her place, bbl, cheers |
| 16:32.08 | RST38h | crashanddie: Do you also get a community network with hundreds of pirated movies mp3 and programs? |
| 16:32.09 | blafasel | crashanddie: That's too big of a downside, unfortunately ;) |
| 16:32.42 | crashanddie | RST38h, well, we have access to what they call "FreeHomeVideo", which is in fact a Youtube clone within the ISP users community |
| 16:32.55 | crashanddie | RST38h, and needless to say, prime access to newsgroups |
| 16:33.20 | RST38h | does not count |
| 16:33.28 | RST38h | cause we get pirated stuff in DVD or HD quality =) |
| 16:33.44 | crashanddie | and I have no shit like some US ISPs, where you have to pay extra for having all yours ports usable or whatever, nor any downloading/uploading restriction |
| 16:35.31 | RST38h | Well, US ISP, cable, cellular service is more or less like in that "Brazil" movie |
| 16:36.02 | GAN8001 | To anybody considering a HAVA, my recommendation is to buy. |
| 16:36.21 | n800n | i don't have cable |
| 16:36.44 | konttori | GAN8001: what did you need the interview fore? |
| 16:36.44 | qwerty12 | Then you wouldn't be considering :p |
| 16:36.50 | RST38h | NASA TV Live coverage of the Phoenix landing on Mars begins at 6 p.m. EDT on Sunday, May 25 !!! |
| 16:37.11 | GAN8001 | konttori, I was using it as a reference for the wikipedia section on Diablo and SSU |
| 16:37.27 | konttori | ah. ok. |
| 16:37.34 | GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo |
| 16:38.09 | GAN8001 | RST38h, hrm, I've got that in HD. |
| 16:38.20 | blafasel | GAN8001: Do you own the Hava stuff? |
| 16:38.28 | RST38h | GAN8001: =) |
| 16:38.29 | GAN8001 | I bought a Platinum |
| 16:38.31 | konttori | GAN8001: good summary. |
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| 16:39.04 | RST38h | I guess watching it in HD from here would screw up everybody's nightly porn downloads =) |
| 16:39.10 | GAN8001 | Ha |
| 16:39.17 | GAN8001 | Don't do that |
| 16:39.21 | GAN8001 | riots might ensue. |
| 16:39.33 | RST38h | naah, they will just blame it on the weather |
| 16:39.46 | RST38h | summer thunderstorms are starting |
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| 16:40.26 | GAN8001 | I need to get myself a few more power adapters. |
| 16:40.43 | blafasel | GAN8001: I found that interesting, but I don't think that I can use it. |
| 16:40.44 | GAN8001 | 6, apparently, isn't enough. |
| 16:40.51 | summatusmentis | anyone here use KDE? |
| 16:41.02 | qwerty12 | Used to |
| 16:41.09 | summatusmentis | why'd you stop? |
| 16:41.26 | keesj | I used to on the desktop |
| 16:41.41 | summatusmentis | oh, no, i meant on the N8x0 series |
| 16:41.44 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Because I wanted to remove it to make sure it wouldn't intefere with diablo upgrade (I used old method) and I prefer to use the space for Debian |
| 16:41.49 | GAN8001 | blafasel, I don't have cable up at college, so I'm planning on hijacking some from home. ;) |
| 16:42.06 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: oh, ok. But it was usable? |
| 16:42.17 | blafasel | GAN8001: I don't have cable or sat, so no way to feed it.. |
| 16:42.29 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Kinda. Watchdog would reboot my N800 a lot under high cpu. |
| 16:42.31 | blafasel | Using DVB-T sometimes on a PC via USB.. |
| 16:42.45 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: watchdog was the firewall thing, right? |
| 16:42.49 | qwerty12 | No |
| 16:42.52 | GAN8001 | I set up mediaserv on my server here at home, too |
| 16:42.58 | GAN8001 | got plenty of upstream to use both remotely. |
| 16:43.12 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: what is watchdog then? |
| 16:43.48 | qwerty12 | I wish GAN8001 came to my rescue here :P |
| 16:43.49 | qwerty12 | "There are both hardware and software watchdogs / lifeguards that reboot the device in certain circumstances, e.g. excessive CPU usage; important process crashes; system lock up. (Feel free to expand/correct this vague and possibly inaccurate description. :-) )" |
| 16:43.53 | qwerty12 | Copied from wiki |
| 16:44.17 | lardman | GAN8001: have you worked out the frame update rate for your usb->vga adaptor? |
| 16:44.19 | GAN8001 | summatusmentis, largely, a bad idea. ;) |
| 16:44.20 | summatusmentis | oh, so it's something built into the device, that makes sense |
| 16:44.28 | summatusmentis | GAN8001: which is, KDE? |
| 16:44.34 | GAN8001 | lardman, no, I'm leaving that up to Graham. |
| 16:44.35 | qwerty12 | watchdoh |
| 16:44.39 | qwerty12 | *dog |
| 16:44.40 | GAN8001 | ^ |
| 16:44.59 | GAN8001 | I think it would work OK if you just had a bunch of jpegs, lardman. |
| 16:45.09 | GAN8001 | It's slow with X, though. |
| 16:45.10 | summatusmentis | sorry, I'm confused. Watchdog is a bad idea, yes? |
| 16:45.15 | GAN8001 | Right. |
| 16:45.28 | GAN8001 | It usually just causes more trouble than it prevents. |
| 16:45.57 | summatusmentis | I see. |
| 16:46.14 | lardman | The n810 usb connection is 12MBps isn't it? |
| 16:46.48 | lardman | i.e. usb1 full speed |
| 16:47.01 | lardman | s/MBps/Mbps |
| 16:47.07 | AStorm | drat |
| 16:47.16 | AStorm | the patch fixing keyboard changed keycodes |
| 16:47.16 | zap | USB device connection is USB 2.0 |
| 16:47.27 | lardman | is it, oh ok |
| 16:47.40 | zap | I get 5Mb/s easily |
| 16:47.53 | AStorm | so fanoush' menu doesn't work |
| 16:47.55 | AStorm | ;) |
| 16:48.00 | AStorm | I'll temporarily revert it |
| 16:48.00 | lardman | that's still within the boundaries of usb1 |
| 16:48.06 | zap | nope |
| 16:48.10 | lardman | yep |
| 16:48.12 | zap | USB 1.0 is 12 mega_b_it |
| 16:48.16 | qwerty12 | AStorm, Edit the linuxrc and bootmenu.sh with new keycodes? |
| 16:48.21 | zap | I get 5 mega_byte_ |
| 16:48.23 | zap | s |
| 16:48.24 | zap | =) |
| 16:48.30 | lardman | ah, B then rather than b ;) |
| 16:48.42 | GAN8001 | ^ |
| 16:48.58 | GAN8001 | [12:47pm] <zap> I get 5M_b_/s easily |
| 16:49.11 | GAN8001 | lardman, how fast does your device flash? :P |
| 16:49.15 | zap | well I don't know how it's out there, but here we write Mb for megabyte :-P |
| 16:49.26 | lardman | if it can push 5 megabytes per sec, then: (5)*1024*1024/(1024*768*2) = 3.33333 |
| 16:49.39 | lardman | zap: fair enough |
| 16:49.54 | lardman | GAN8001: I never pay any attention to it ;) |
| 16:50.03 | GAN8001 | zap, where is here? O_O |
| 16:50.07 | zap | I think it can do more than that, it's just that the SDHC card can't take more :) |
| 16:50.11 | GAN8001 | That is retardedly confusing |
| 16:50.29 | AStorm | qwerty12: except I don't know it yet |
| 16:50.33 | GAN8001 | Do it the opposite way from everybody else? Good plan. |
| 16:50.38 | zap | but don't confuse USB host with USB device |
| 16:50.38 | lardman | I was just wondering what the theoretical bandwidth limit was for the usb connection |
| 16:50.39 | AStorm | and will have to reflash a kernel with console support |
| 16:50.54 | zap | lardman: as far as I understand, you're meaning the USB Host on N810 |
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| 16:51.01 | zap | and that one could be USB 1.0 |
| 16:51.02 | lardman | GAN8001: tbh, I can never remember which is which either |
| 16:51.15 | lardman | zap: yes |
| 16:51.16 | GAN8001 | _B_ytes are bigger. :P |
| 16:51.23 | GAN8001 | _b_its are smaller. |
| 16:51.29 | GAN8001 | s/bigger/BIGGER/ |
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| 16:51.46 | zap | GIGABYTES ARE REALLY HUGE |
| 16:52.09 | GAN8001 | Seriously, zap, where the hell do they use Mb for megabyte? |
| 16:52.16 | lardman | yeah, I suppose that is easy enough to remember, I just think in terms of ASCII keycodes ;) |
| 16:52.20 | GAN8001 | So I can avoid that place in the future. . . . :\ |
| 16:52.22 | qwerty12 | _b_its are smaller - I really misread that. |
| 16:52.35 | RST38h | GAN: Forums |
| 16:52.46 | RST38h | Can you make yourself avoid that place? =) |
| 16:52.48 | GAN8001 | RST38h, :P |
| 16:53.35 | zap | Some even write Mo for mega-octet |
| 16:53.35 | GAN8001 | The place where Mb is used for megabyte and considered correct. ;) |
| 16:53.42 | zap | you will want to avoid that place too, I think |
| 16:54.13 | Knirch | will start using mB instead. |
| 16:54.14 | RST38h | Nintendo used to do it all the time - "8 megabit cartridge", "16 megabit cartridge" |
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| 16:54.41 | lardman | Knirch: milli-bytes? |
| 16:54.53 | RST38h | Somebody at their marketing decided that by using megabits they can make cartridges "look bigger" |
| 16:54.59 | zap | and some even don't know a kilobyte has 1000 bytes |
| 16:55.04 | zap | they think that it's 1024 bytes :) |
| 16:55.12 | RST38h | zap: THAT is arguable |
| 16:55.16 | Knirch | lardman: mmm |
| 16:55.58 | blafasel | Don't start with miBytes or something |
| 16:56.04 | RST38h | yep |
| 16:56.08 | Knirch | zap: I'm not touching that discussion with a ten foot pole |
| 16:56.09 | GAN8001 | mibibytes just piss me off. |
| 16:56.16 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 16:56.22 | AStorm | doesn't seem to boot properly |
| 16:56.32 | AStorm | I'd need some ssh to see what's going on |
| 16:56.35 | AStorm | and I'll get it ;) |
| 16:56.42 | AStorm | wait, no, it booted some more |
| 16:56.46 | AStorm | again hands screen |
| 16:57.01 | AStorm | probably something isn't supported and spams dmesg |
| 16:57.21 | AStorm | that can really slow down boot |
| 16:57.53 | RST38h | "spamming dmesg" - nice |
| 16:58.13 | RST38h | the last frontier for spammers, so to say |
| 16:58.16 | AStorm | I'll leave it for some minutes, it might boot |
| 16:58.18 | AStorm | ;P |
| 17:00.27 | AStorm | in the meantime, I'll get ssh running while it boots |
| 17:00.56 | qwerty12 | debates whether to set this up: http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html . Quite a bit of programs :? |
| 17:01.04 | qwerty12 | s/:?/:// |
| 17:01.44 | AStorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.53 | AStorm | argh, missed ;) |
| 17:02.20 | glass | qwerty12: more bt game controller supports would be nice in maemo |
| 17:02.51 | AStorm | what for? |
| 17:02.56 | AStorm | I'd like a remote more |
| 17:03.04 | Proteous | Mapped at 0xfdeb5000 |
| 17:03.06 | Proteous | Found a Keylargo mac-io controller, rev: 3, mapped at 0xfde35000 |
| 17:03.21 | Proteous | G3t v1agr4 4 less! |
| 17:03.29 | Proteous | PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 65536 bytes) |
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| 17:03.44 | AStorm | heh, that's some dmesg spam ;P |
| 17:03.49 | qwerty12 | glass, Yeah :). I'll see if I can take a look in :/ |
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| 17:04.18 | qwerty12 | Although I can't see no CONFIG_HIDRAW :/ |
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| 17:04.24 | glass | qwerty12: just buttons is nice, not that many games where inertia support would do much good |
| 17:04.33 | AStorm | hehe |
| 17:04.45 | AStorm | inertia could be used for scrolling |
| 17:05.14 | dererk | GAN8001, did you ever use svn microb? |
| 17:05.24 | dererk | svn's * |
| 17:07.38 | GAN8001 | For a little while |
| 17:07.51 | GAN8001 | I ask again, though, dererk, do you have Fit Width to View turned on? |
| 17:07.56 | qwerty12 | Same here, then diablo was leaked :D |
| 17:07.57 | konttori | glass: so, wiimote is not enough for you? |
| 17:07.58 | GAN8001 | That'll seriously screw up the browser. |
| 17:08.14 | dererk | GAN8001, indeed |
| 17:08.22 | konttori | glass: you could take a look at that code and add support for ps3 controller if you need to |
| 17:08.25 | konttori | should be doable |
| 17:08.31 | dererk | but it works exactly the same as if it wasn't |
| 17:08.55 | AStorm | huh, it booted to a progress bar... ? |
| 17:08.59 | dererk | GAN8001, as crashanddie said |
| 17:09.01 | dererk | <crashanddie> cuz having it run in circles for 20 seconds saying "connecting" is pretty slow, and kinda kills surfing for me |
| 17:09.14 | dererk | it's exactly the same for me |
| 17:09.18 | AStorm | with the same old initfs |
| 17:09.23 | qwerty12 | konttori, I'm trying but it needs stuff done to kernel. Not like wiicontrol or cwiid :/ |
| 17:09.24 | AStorm | thus I don't know what happens ;P |
| 17:09.37 | AStorm | maybe it's rewriting something on jffs2 |
| 17:09.56 | qwerty12 | You really should set up bootmenu with framebuffer :/ |
| 17:10.34 | konttori | qwerty12: Isn't there any way to just map the stuff like wiicontrol does? |
| 17:11.14 | GAN8001 | dererk, like I told crashanddie, that's usually an issue with your router. |
| 17:11.20 | konttori | has again been programming today and is all the time expecting word completion for everything he writes. wii<tab> what the * why didn't it complete? :) |
| 17:11.28 | GAN8001 | You could try turning of wifi powersaving on the N800 to see if it improves. |
| 17:11.29 | dererk | GAN8001, not at all! |
| 17:11.33 | GAN8001 | (though battery life will suffer) |
| 17:11.44 | qwerty12 | konttori, Not sure. According to people on the internet, you can use it fine over usb (it's an hid device) in linux but patch to kernel is needed for joystick |
| 17:11.49 | dererk | It does not happen with other network utility |
| 17:11.52 | GAN8001 | konttori, wouldn't that be wonderful? :D |
| 17:11.53 | dererk | it's just browser |
| 17:12.03 | GAN8001 | dererk, my point still stands. |
| 17:12.39 | konttori | qwerty12: ah. you want to actually use it as a joystick device. |
| 17:13.05 | qwerty12 | I don't actually own a PS3 :P but I plan on plugging in my friends controller :/ |
| 17:13.21 | konttori | Hmm.. you might want to ask for that on the maemo mailing list as well (to have the base level joystick support there so that 3rd parties could add support for BT controller devices. |
| 17:13.47 | konttori | qwerty12: in the meanwhile, you should be able to map the buttons on the ps3 controller in the same manner as wiicontrol does. |
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| 17:14.11 | konttori | And even one analog should be emulatable nicely as the mouse pointer. |
| 17:15.02 | qwerty12 | Yeah :) I'll still work on the kernel patches though and plug in my friends controller sometime and see what I can do |
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| 17:16.00 | konttori | sounds cool. |
| 17:16.17 | konttori | Anyway, I hope you can also convince the nokia kernel people to integrate your patches. |
| 17:16.25 | qwerty12 | Well, the stock nokia 2.6.21 already has the USB fix applied to it "#define USB_VENDOR_ID_SONY0x054c |
| 17:16.25 | qwerty12 | #define USB_DEVICE_ID_SONY_PS3_CONTROLLER0x0268" |
| 17:16.30 | BugBlue | re |
| 17:16.31 | konttori | would be cool to have by default |
| 17:16.46 | konttori | ah. cool |
| 17:16.50 | qwerty12 | I wonder what would happen if someone plugs in PS3 controller over USB with stock kernel? |
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| 17:18.58 | keesj | lardman: the word goes around that you can deliver tickets for linuxtag |
| 17:19.16 | dererk | GAN8001, confirmed it's not. |
| 17:19.29 | dererk | it's just a microb problem/feature :) |
| 17:20.08 | GAN8001 | Usually it is |
| 17:20.11 | GAN8001 | Sometimes it's not |
| 17:20.14 | GAN8001 | Meh |
| 17:21.16 | unixSnob | wonders if anyone has heard of anyone getting vxworks on the NIT |
| 17:22.28 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 17:22.42 | AStorm | this ssh doesn't want to log in ;P |
| 17:22.48 | AStorm | I wonder why |
| 17:23.20 | AStorm | it doesn't respond to the normal "rootme" pass |
| 17:23.26 | AStorm | and not to my normal system one |
| 17:23.29 | AStorm | weirdness |
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| 17:25.08 | AStorm | it has ssh and rpcbind |
| 17:25.15 | AStorm | the machine is alive, but I see a white screen |
| 17:25.39 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 17:25.52 | AStorm | I'll better get a shell inside |
| 17:26.27 | *** join/#maemo HuLsH (n=plejbjoj@cable-89-216-150-154.dynamic.sbb.rs) |
| 17:27.01 | HuLsH | hello plp |
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| 17:28.27 | HuLsH | can someone help me on something |
| 17:28.27 | HuLsH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.37 | AStorm | ok, I'm in somehow |
| 17:28.52 | HuLsH | :) |
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| 17:29.18 | HuLsH | i am using fm-radio app |
| 17:29.34 | HuLsH | and i whant to reinstall my os2008 |
| 17:30.03 | HuLsH | but i cant find the way to somehow "export" the list of fm radio stations |
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| 17:30.45 | HuLsH | that i inserted, so i dont need to type them in again |
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| 17:31.08 | HuLsH | any ideas ? |
| 17:31.46 | HuLsH | anyone ? :) |
| 17:32.28 | summatusmentis | is there anyone using a moto q for tethering their internet tablet? |
| 17:32.47 | dererk | cya |
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| 17:34.11 | HuLsH | thy are all dead :) |
| 17:37.04 | blafasel | I'm so glad that this mobile shop here traded that god-damn Nokia phone for a different brand. Slimmer with more features = good. |
| 17:38.30 | AStorm | ok, I get it |
| 17:38.37 | AStorm | something with framebuffer doesn't work |
| 17:39.13 | HuLsH | it for sure may be :) |
| 17:39.16 | AStorm | as the system is started |
| 17:39.32 | AStorm | the trick is how to debug that |
| 17:40.11 | AStorm | ah, cx3110x got a NULL pointer deref too ;P |
| 17:40.23 | AStorm | or g_ether |
| 17:40.27 | AStorm | let me check |
| 17:41.53 | GAN8001 | Very carefully, AStorm. :P |
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| 17:42.52 | AStorm | hmm, looks like it's g_ether and not cx3110x |
| 17:43.09 | AStorm | no, 100% cs3110x ;P |
| 17:43.14 | AStorm | it disappeared |
| 17:43.19 | AStorm | damn |
| 17:45.20 | AStorm | maybe it hanged due to that |
| 17:45.25 | AStorm | I'll drop the driver for now |
| 17:48.09 | lardman | ponders whether to spend too much money on a usb->vga adaptor |
| 17:48.33 | GAN8001 | lardman, if you're going to use it for LinuxTag, find somebody else to bring one you can use |
| 17:48.44 | keesj | lardman: I tried to find one today but did not succeed |
| 17:48.54 | GAN8001 | I wouldn't bother picking one up for yourself (well, at UK prices anyway :P) right now. |
| 17:49.04 | AStorm | the long boot delay is due to device waiting for dbus to settle |
| 17:49.04 | lardman | yeah, they are expensive |
| 17:49.23 | GAN8001 | Or maybe find somebody flying over from the states to grab you one. |
| 17:49.23 | lardman | not specifically for LinuxTag - not enough time to debug it for that, but just for general hacking interest |
| 17:49.45 | lardman | GAN8001: I'll be over there in July so I may do so myself |
| 17:50.00 | zap | Has anybody ever get g_ether play together with Windows on N810? Or it's vapourware? |
| 17:50.09 | lardman | They're not really dear, £65, but still makes you think twice |
| 17:50.31 | AStorm | hmm |
| 17:50.32 | inz | astorm, still fighting with 2.6.25? |
| 17:50.38 | AStorm | inz: sure |
| 17:50.45 | AStorm | please cap the nick correctly :> |
| 17:50.51 | AStorm | it doesn't hl me otherwise |
| 17:50.54 | lardman | zap: from my Zaurus days, have you used Linux.inf to "install" the rndis driver than Windows lacks? |
| 17:51.21 | inz | AStorm, sorry, being lazy when using a tablet to irc |
| 17:51.37 | AStorm | :> |
| 17:51.51 | AStorm | well, it seems the device booted fine, but I get a white screen only |
| 17:51.54 | zap | lardman: it's a bit complicated here since I don't use windows, it's one of my friends who can't get it to work :) |
| 17:52.00 | AStorm | something is different |
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| 17:52.17 | AStorm | I suspect there's some dri module |
| 17:52.20 | AStorm | or something like it |
| 17:52.32 | inz | AStorm, you need serial console |
| 17:53.05 | AStorm | no, I don't |
| 17:53.08 | AStorm | I have ssh, doh |
| 17:53.14 | AStorm | it has booted correctly |
| 17:53.22 | AStorm | BUT there is just a white screen |
| 17:53.31 | lardman | zap: hmm, not ideal. Point them to either the Linux kernel source tree Docs dir, or tell them to try this: http://www.davehylands.com/linux/gumstix/usbnet/linux.inf |
| 17:53.40 | AStorm | Xomap and all is running |
| 17:53.56 | zap | lardman: thank you, I'll do it |
| 17:53.58 | AStorm | I guess I should ping the linux-omap ml about it |
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| 17:54.35 | AStorm | alternatively, I need someone to build me Xfb |
| 17:54.45 | practisevoodoo | anyone got popen2 working in python under os2008? |
| 17:54.46 | AStorm | :> |
| 17:54.49 | lardman | zap: then it should just be a case of ifconfig on the N8x0 and Windows should recognise it (static IPs unless Windows has a working DHCP server); routing is a whole other matter.... |
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| 17:56.40 | lardman | zap: http://maemotalk.feelslikeburning.com/2006/02/21/usbnet-with-nokia770-winxp/ might be of interest |
| 17:56.53 | zap | yes, he followed that howto |
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| 17:57.00 | zap | windoz does not see the connection |
| 17:57.19 | lardman | So he installed linux.inf? |
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| 17:57.54 | ssvb | hi lardman, have you been successful at mapping more than one page of memory for DSP on N8x0? |
| 17:57.57 | zap | no idea, trying to get an answer from him :) |
| 17:58.03 | lardman | :) |
| 17:58.05 | zap | I was just interested if that works at all |
| 17:58.15 | lardman | the official page looks like the best bet for instructions: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/ |
| 17:58.18 | lardman | ssvb: hi |
| 17:58.29 | lardman | ssvb: I've been away, not tried anything |
| 17:58.38 | AStorm | ok, where do I get the Debian X server? |
| 17:58.48 | AStorm | the one which works on N8x0 |
| 17:59.12 | AStorm | afaicr they don't use Xomap |
| 17:59.13 | lardman | ssvb: but when I was trying to map <1MB or memory, 4 or 5 TLBs were used in 0x10000 chunks before the dmesg messages told me it had run out; so it ought to work |
| 17:59.23 | lardman | s/or/of |
| 17:59.43 | lardman | assuming you use multiples of 0x100,000 |
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| 18:02.01 | lardman | ssvb: I can take a look tomorrow if you'd like me to (holiday :) ) |
| 18:02.30 | ssvb | lardman: right now I'm having weird "omapdsp: tadd address is ABORTADR." errors when I'm trying to add arrays that span across page boundary on N8x0 |
| 18:02.45 | qwerty12_N800 | haha, lardman gets the day off, i get the week :p |
| 18:03.09 | lcuk | but lardman will be more productive in his one day than you in your whole week :P |
| 18:03.26 | lcuk | plus, hes going to germany in a couple of days so gets the week off anyway |
| 18:03.31 | ssvb | lardman: the same stuff works on 770, so I guess it migh be something with dspgateway version mismatch or anything else |
| 18:03.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hehe, fair play |
| 18:03.46 | lcuk | can this dsp compiler work on device? |
| 18:05.33 | GAN800 | Man, lcuk, you told him. :P |
| 18:06.00 | lardman | ssvb: to diagnose such problems you can run "dsp_dld -p" in another terminal and see what it says |
| 18:06.29 | lardman | ssvb: that's a generic error that seems to turn up for everything, inlcuding undefined symbols |
| 18:06.43 | lardman | lcuk: no, x86 only |
| 18:07.04 | ssvb | lardman: ok, thanks |
| 18:07.14 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I've taken the week off too, but have to go into work on Tuesday morning |
| 18:07.18 | lcuk | could an aebi be made for gcc? or whatever is needed? |
| 18:07.34 | lardman | lcuk: dso compiler using GCC? |
| 18:07.48 | lardman | s/dso/dsp |
| 18:07.52 | lcuk | yer - its just another cpu architecture |
| 18:08.03 | lardman | it's been started, but not finished iirc |
| 18:08.20 | lcuk | lol |
| 18:08.47 | lardman | I think the project died actually |
| 18:09.03 | ssvb | lardman: basically there are two challenges now: mmap 2MB of memory (770 reboots if I try this stuff) and check whether it is possible to make the pointers not to wrap at page boundaries |
| 18:09.21 | lardman | can't remember the name, but Googling for some combo of "tms320, c55, gcc, compiler" should do the trick |
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| 18:10.13 | lardman | ssvb: I'll try the 2MB mapping thing, perhaps later on as the gf wants to watch a Murder Mystery of no interest to me :) |
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| 18:10.29 | lardman | ssvb: what do you mean by pointer wrapping? |
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| 18:10.47 | lardman | ssvb: are you using *(pointer + offset) = sort of code? |
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| 18:11.48 | ssvb | lardman: right now if you do *dst++ = *src++, the pointers eventually wrap at 0x10000 boundary as ++ operation only updates lower 16 bits |
| 18:12.21 | ssvb | lardman: the stuff with *(pointer + offset) works, but it is a lot slower |
| 18:12.47 | HuLsH | and again |
| 18:12.58 | HuLsH | as i see ppl are now alive |
| 18:13.04 | HuLsH | can someone help |
| 18:13.05 | HuLsH | ? |
| 18:13.10 | lardman | ssvb: can you cast to (UnsLg) inside the ++ operation? |
| 18:13.30 | ssvb | lardman: it is possible to live with that and still make fast code, but it will still need lots of additional checks |
| 18:13.42 | lardman | ssvb: ok |
| 18:13.44 | zap | doh, I managed to lock up n810 so hard that I had to take the battery off |
| 18:13.44 | ssvb | lardman: anything that involves this stuff is slow :) |
| 18:14.52 | HuLsH | anyone ? |
| 18:15.13 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, get used to doing that |
| 18:15.26 | ssvb | lardman: I mean casts to UnsLg, btw, I prefer more standard uint32_t types which are also supported by TI toolchain |
| 18:15.36 | lcuk | HuLsH, ask the question and if ppl are knowedgable about the answer they might be able to respond |
| 18:15.54 | HuLsH | you are right |
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| 18:16.11 | HuLsH | <HuLsH> i am using fm-radio app |
| 18:16.12 | HuLsH | <HuLsH> and i whant to reinstall my os2008 |
| 18:16.12 | HuLsH | <HuLsH> but i cant find the way to somehow "export" the list of fm radio stations |
| 18:16.12 | HuLsH | * juergbi (n=juerg@80-219-17-53.dclient.hispeed.ch) Quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 18:16.12 | HuLsH | * juergbi (n=juerg@80-219-17-53.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #maemo |
| 18:16.12 | HuLsH | <HuLsH> that i inserted, so i dont need to type them in again |
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| 18:16.55 | lardman | HuLsH: no idea |
| 18:16.59 | qwerty12_N800 | HuLsH, look into gconf |
| 18:17.09 | qwerty12_N800 | let me find the gconf key |
| 18:17.18 | lcuk | has never used the radio since i have an 810 |
| 18:17.56 | ssvb | lardman: according to spru599, revision 3.0 of c55x should have this pointer wrapping problem fixed |
| 18:18.28 | lardman | ssvb: I never got round to writing the test code to determine which revision we have |
| 18:18.51 | lardman | ssvb: The complier ought to be able to work around it though |
| 18:19.17 | qwerty12_N800 | HuLsH, Copy the files inside /var/lib/gconf/apps/maemo/fmradio to another place. |
| 18:19.20 | ssvb | lardman: yes, by generating slow code :) |
| 18:19.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Built in backup tool should back it up too. |
| 18:19.43 | ssvb | lardman: which is not exactly what we want |
| 18:19.43 | lardman | ssvb: :) true, perhaps time to dive into the asm...? |
| 18:19.47 | HuLsH | it should ? |
| 18:19.49 | AStorm | ssvb: you're the master, so... where do I get non-Xomap X? |
| 18:20.00 | AStorm | (preferably, with Xv working, but that's not required) |
| 18:20.31 | ssvb | AStorm: why non-Xomap? |
| 18:20.56 | AStorm | as that doesn't work on 2.6.23-rc3-omap? |
| 18:21.05 | AStorm | I only get a white screen |
| 18:21.15 | AStorm | (and yes, it is running, FB is working) |
| 18:21.48 | HuLsH | qwerty12_N800: THANKS ! |
| 18:21.53 | lardman | ssvb: did you try the fb output code on the 770? I was getting errors for some reason (though can't remember what they were) |
| 18:22.15 | HuLsH | qwerty12_N800: i will try to see will the backup do it |
| 18:22.28 | AStorm | *2.6.26-rc3-omap |
| 18:22.30 | AStorm | duh |
| 18:23.09 | ssvb | lardman: not yet, first I'm trying to map memory buffer and work with it |
| 18:23.42 | AStorm | so, do you guys know why it might not work? |
| 18:23.42 | ssvb | lardman: I get enough problems even with that :) |
| 18:23.59 | AStorm | missing device node or something? |
| 18:24.03 | lardman | ssvb: that's the fun of DSP programming :/ |
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| 18:25.58 | AStorm | maybe it's missing some update functionality or other API which is used by Xomap |
| 18:26.07 | AStorm | I'll ping the linux-omap list |
| 18:27.23 | RST38h | fMSX 3.5.3 released |
| 18:27.45 | RST38h | (same fixes as the latest iNES basically) |
| 18:29.14 | RST38h | Yea, that is the right way to off oneself: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/22/toxic.suicide/index.html?eref=edition |
| 18:31.17 | lopz | re |
| 18:34.34 | AStorm | heh, sorry I don't have an english version |
| 18:34.41 | AStorm | http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/wiadomosc.html?kat=1356&wid=9985684 - broken planes anyone? ;P |
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| 18:35.53 | GAN8001 | andre, is this the fill in the blank game? |
| 18:35.58 | GAN8001 | anrelicious? :P |
| 18:36.03 | GAN8001 | andretastic? |
| 18:36.13 | andre____ | :) |
| 18:36.21 | andre____ | no, just tried to get a registered irc nick |
| 18:36.33 | GAN8001 | Hehe |
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| 18:36.50 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, I guess English = http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7419280.stm |
| 18:38.05 | RST38h | AStorm: Splendid |
| 18:38.47 | RST38h | AStorm: ratunkowa = emergency (adv) ? |
| 18:39.19 | AStorm | RST38h: more or less |
| 18:39.37 | RST38h | 's ukrainian is kinda weak |
| 18:39.48 | AStorm | it's Polish |
| 18:39.50 | AStorm | ;P |
| 18:39.55 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: yes, that one |
| 18:40.22 | RST38h | AStorm: well, the closest word exists in ukrainian |
| 18:40.31 | RST38h | Polish I do not know. |
| 18:40.37 | mza- | Is there adobe air for maemo? |
| 18:40.55 | mza- | would love to have twhirl |
| 18:41.01 | RST38h | no =) |
| 18:41.33 | AStorm | RST38h: yes, Slavic languages are somewhat related |
| 18:41.45 | mza- | boo |
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| 18:44.21 | AStorm | so guys, I'll install Debian on my internal mmc |
| 18:44.38 | AStorm | one q remains: will canola work there? :P |
| 18:44.43 | AStorm | it's too nice to lose |
| 18:45.09 | AStorm | and I'm too lazy to write a new UI for quodlibet |
| 18:45.46 | qwerty12_N800 | I doubt it, depends on how much pymaemo differs from normal python |
| 18:46.02 | qwerty12_N800 | plus if it uses anything maemo specific |
| 18:51.11 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, from the SVN I compiled to the newest, there's only been a 999_block_list and a newer patch for the image scaling hack |
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| 18:52.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, Thanks. I'm waiting for them to release the diablo version, no idea if the current one works in diablo. |
| 18:53.00 | Navi | and an update to the gdocs (possible) crashing patch |
| 18:53.33 | Navi | I couldn't get the svn to run |
| 18:53.52 | Navi | which is why I'm on chinook nowadays |
| 18:54.47 | GAN8001 | wishes browser-ui were open. |
| 18:54.50 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll try taking a look sometime, chinook + svn beats diablo browser. |
| 18:54.59 | GAN8001 | Any progress on those Nokia questions on the wiki? |
| 18:55.20 | Navi | Nokia questions? |
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| 18:58.21 | GAN8001 | The spillover from the #maemo-meeting |
| 18:59.18 | thopiekar | hi @ all |
| 19:00.05 | thopiekar | how can i load my application (made with glade) on ubuntu and finally on my iT |
| 19:00.07 | thopiekar | ?? |
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| 19:02.35 | drwx | Hi today I try to install maemo 4 sdk, I have a lot of broken dependancy packages. I think the maemo sdk is broken. can you comfirm that? |
| 19:03.08 | qwerty12_N800 | mikie-scripts by emjayes is nice.... |
| 19:03.11 | RST38h | not broken |
| 19:03.28 | RST38h | you are probably installing it on the wrong ubuntu |
| 19:03.38 | drwx | ? |
| 19:03.44 | drwx | hardy |
| 19:03.59 | RST38h | you may be installing gutsy packages |
| 19:04.10 | ssvb | lardman: ok, it really helped, I had some problems with .cmd file and now they are fixed |
| 19:04.30 | qwerty12_N800 | disable vdso and lower min mmap value. installing packages fails if that isn't done. |
| 19:04.33 | lardman | ssvb: It just dawns on me that the DSP only supports the simultanous data manipulation stuff on 16bit data iirc, so the 24bit pointers will be slower no matter what |
| 19:05.00 | drwx | RST38h: so how can I install it on hardy? |
| 19:05.10 | lardman | ssvb: glad to hear it - when I discovered that it made debugging why a task wouldn't work sooo much easier :) |
| 19:05.14 | RST38h | find hardy packages =) |
| 19:05.43 | ssvb | lardman: it always uses 24 bit pointer, |
| 19:05.49 | qwerty12_N800 | "disable vdso and lower min mmap value. installing packages fails if that isn't done" |
| 19:05.57 | thopiekar | drwx, check you package list |
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| 19:06.18 | RST38h | drwx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208 |
| 19:06.19 | lardman | ssvb: I know, just saying that pointer stuff probably can't be optimised by the compiler into a set of parallel operations as the data is too wide |
| 19:06.21 | ssvb | lardman: the problem is that when we have pre- or post- increment, only lower 16 bits of it are updated |
| 19:06.25 | RST38h | (and thank qwerty for this thread) |
| 19:07.00 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i need to update that thread. using sysctl is easier imho :) |
| 19:07.54 | ssvb | lardman: hmm, there is also this pointer wrap-around problem on N8x0, but I guess OMAP2420 is one of the latest chips and probably should use the c55x silicon revision |
| 19:07.57 | lardman | ssvb: you could presumably work around that knowing the location of the buffers with respect to the page boundary |
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| 19:08.35 | RST38h | qwerty: using sdk+ is easier ;)O |
| 19:09.03 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, I will never go over to the dark side :p |
| 19:09.16 | ssvb | lardman: yes, for example if we have a function that does color format conversion for a line of pixels, we can make a check if input or output data crosses page boundary and fallback to a slower implementation |
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| 19:09.21 | qwerty12_N800 | I really find sb2 awkward. |
| 19:09.25 | RST38h | you messed up colors =) |
| 19:09.34 | thopiekar | qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:09.39 | lardman | ssvb: yep |
| 19:09.46 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Neva! ;p |
| 19:09.46 | RST38h | just added sb2 to the makefile root and forgot about it completely |
| 19:09.54 | ssvb | lardman: but I would prefer not having this wrap-around problem in order not to clutter code |
| 19:09.59 | thopiekar | do you know how to start a application created with glade?? |
| 19:10.02 | lardman | ssvb: I'm still concerned about how to trigger the updates |
| 19:10.04 | RST38h | basically, added CC = sb2 gcc |
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| 19:10.26 | lardman | ssvb: without crashing the DSP by (presumably) filling the ioctl message queue |
| 19:10.35 | qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, no |
| 19:10.39 | ssvb | lardman: could it be that it has 3.0 silicon revision, but some 'compatibility' mode is enabled? |
| 19:12.47 | ssvb | lardman: you could try sending some confirmation to ARM core from DSP task when everything is done and never try doing update when you have a previous one still in process |
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| 19:13.00 | lardman | not sure, will have to read through the compiler docs and see what can be specified |
| 19:13.45 | ssvb | lardman: just read from dsp file descriptor before trying to ask it to do one more update |
| 19:13.56 | lardman | ssvb: I'm concerned about the speed of the ioctl, perhaps my code was very slow, but >0.1s to output Y plane !? |
| 19:14.34 | lardman | may not be the ioctl, the framebuffer update requires a message to be sent back to the ARM |
| 19:16.10 | ssvb | lardman|tv: I did a fast check to measure ARM<->DSP performance, looks like we can do ~1000 calls to DSP and get results from it per second |
| 19:16.34 | drwx | RST38h: thank you I understand my problem now... ;-) |
| 19:17.01 | ssvb | lardman|tv: it should be enough for just 30fps screen updates, though I still wonder why it is so slow |
| 19:17.03 | qwerty12_N800 | drwx, what was i saying? |
| 19:19.35 | drwx | what? |
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| 19:20.59 | qwerty12_N800 | "disable vdso and lower min mmap value" - hell that thread is mine too |
| 19:22.14 | drwx | I'm re-installing memo-sdk from hardy repository, it' will works? |
| 19:24.17 | drwx | ok, sorry I did not ready your post. thanks for your solution |
| 19:24.25 | drwx | :-D |
| 19:25.37 | qwerty12_N800 | :) - well, the solutions aren't mine :) (copied from inz and pH5) |
| 19:26.19 | drwx | that's true, so thank's to  inz and pH5 too !! 8-) |
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| 20:10.10 | blafasel | FF3 RC1 is driving me nuts. I think about switching to Opera already.. |
| 20:10.49 | KotCzarny | how about switching to Fx2 ? |
| 20:13.03 | blafasel | Eats far too much of my memory. Tried FF3 because it was supposed to be easier on my resources, but.. |
| 20:13.23 | gourdin | blafasel: but ? |
| 20:13.28 | gourdin | it really is |
| 20:13.28 | blafasel | I know that it's only a RC, hopefully the final release will be better. |
| 20:13.35 | gourdin | at least b4 was great |
| 20:13.44 | KotCzarny | my fx2 doesn't eat more than 200-300mb |
| 20:13.53 | blafasel | gourdin: It is, for sure. But it runs at 90-100% cpu usage every N minute |
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| 20:13.57 | blafasel | N < 10 |
| 20:14.00 | lcuk | KotCzarny, morning :) ive had a happy couple of days of coding directly from windows editor and device gcc :) |
| 20:14.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:14.07 | gourdin | blafasel: yep, same bug here |
| 20:14.15 | gourdin | bug from b5 |
| 20:14.24 | gourdin | I hope there is a report somewhere :) |
| 20:14.30 | blafasel | gourdin: So I hope you understand my rather harsh feelings ;) |
| 20:14.31 | KotCzarny | lcuk: lucky you, i've been mostly sleeping :) |
| 20:14.38 | blafasel | I find lots of coverage online, yes. |
| 20:14.43 | gourdin | blafasel: I do ! |
| 20:14.48 | lcuk | not much time left and still lots to do |
| 20:15.22 | gourdin | (konqueror 4.0.3+ is nice:) |
| 20:17.45 | blafasel | lcuk: Will there be a recording of some sort of your presentations? |
| 20:18.05 | lcuk | i sure hope so.. |
| 20:18.20 | lcuk | but im technically not there to discuss my program, its obviously going to be brought up though |
| 20:18.31 | lcuk | im making some movies tonight actually.. |
| 20:18.40 | KotCzarny | mm |
| 20:18.45 | KotCzarny | movies in the night |
| 20:18.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:19.07 | lcuk | its a backlit screen, i could be doing it in a cave |
| 20:19.33 | KotCzarny | isn't n810a transreflective? |
| 20:20.09 | blafasel | lcuk: Tonight? What's your timezone? |
| 20:21.57 | timeless | kot: yes |
| 20:22.24 | timeless | i'm not sure how many nokians have had much in the way of chances to vrify that |
| 20:22.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:22.36 | lcuk | england |
| 20:22.44 | timeless | -lacking sun until this month.. |
| 20:22.54 | vinilios | any news about opengl on n800 ? |
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| 20:23.12 | blafasel | lcuk: Ah, so comparable. Are you posting the videos somewhere here? I'm very very curious ;) |
| 20:23.21 | timeless | vin: you don't think it'd make planet.maemo? |
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| 20:30.30 | timeless | rare services may not be available |
| 20:30.37 | lcuk | yes, probably youtube or whatever |
| 20:30.57 | timeless | (sorry, wrong channel) |
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| 20:33.51 | lcuk | vinilios, in how long? nokia have publically offered a "things are in progress" statement |
| 20:34.23 | vinilios | well thats a progress i guess |
| 20:34.58 | lcuk | indeed :) |
| 20:40.34 | pupnik | is using dillo and konqueror more now |
| 20:40.54 | pupnik | ffox is turning into the browser of last resort |
| 20:41.41 | lcuk | holy mother of god! 244mb "quick" test movie |
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| 20:41.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:42.09 | KotCzarny | forgot to enable compression? |
| 20:42.27 | lcuk | no, its 640*480 30fps standard file my camera offers |
| 20:42.44 | KotCzarny | what codec? |
| 20:42.46 | pupnik | lcuk: how are you making movies |
| 20:42.47 | KotCzarny | if any |
| 20:42.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:42.50 | lcuk | i dont have the option for compression |
| 20:43.03 | KotCzarny | probably mjpeg |
| 20:43.18 | pupnik | got a camera that records video in macro mode? |
| 20:43.30 | lcuk | my digital camera wedged into an ironing board (adjustable height ;) ) pointing downwards at the nokia |
| 20:43.37 | KotCzarny | pupnik: fresnel lenses? ;) |
| 20:43.41 | pupnik | ah |
| 20:43.57 | lcuk | im using a piece of card to allow macro zoon to focus correctly then moving it out of the way to get clear shot of the screen held steady |
| 20:44.18 | pupnik | yeah the lcd messes up my focus also |
| 20:44.28 | lcuk | (it wont focus on the lcd) |
| 20:44.31 | GAN800 | poor pupnik. :P |
| 20:44.41 | pupnik | well i bought a camera that doesn't use focus |
| 20:45.02 | pupnik | essentially a pinhole HD video cam |
| 20:45.03 | lcuk | anyway, it pisses batteries for fun and wont run when its plugged in so ive been against trying it |
| 20:45.14 | pupnik | hm |
| 20:45.40 | pupnik | yeah most cams were doing mjpeg |
| 20:45.42 | KotCzarny | pupnik: peep cam? |
| 20:45.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:45.48 | pupnik | now many do mpeg4 |
| 20:45.54 | lcuk | its a great outdoors camera for the family stuff - it takes aa batteries and gives good enough shots |
| 20:46.44 | lcuk | yer, technically i think i should get linux on it, but i cant b arsed :P |
| 20:47.04 | pupnik | there's a doom port for an old kodak digicam |
| 20:47.37 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 20:47.37 | lcuk | heh :D |
| 20:47.40 | KotCzarny | pupnik, link? |
| 20:47.54 | pupnik | don't remember where |
| 20:48.09 | KotCzarny | any keywords? |
| 20:48.21 | pupnik | eh, it was so long ago |
| 20:48.32 | lcuk | windows is so fucked, it managed to tell me device not recognised when i plug into a specific usb port, but works in another one |
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| 20:48.52 | KotCzarny | http://digita.mame.net/ |
| 20:49.04 | pupnik | http://digita.mame.net/ |
| 20:49.05 | pupnik | oh |
| 20:49.52 | pupnik | maybe your port is dirty |
| 20:50.19 | KotCzarny | or noisy |
| 20:50.33 | lcuk | it works for other devices |
| 20:50.45 | lcuk | its any port other than the one it was installed in |
| 20:50.47 | KotCzarny | fun of computers |
| 20:50.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:51.02 | KotCzarny | we expect them to be 0/1 |
| 20:51.13 | KotCzarny | but in real life it's not so bright and happy |
| 20:53.19 | pupnik | bbl |
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| 21:24.08 | Jaffa | Oh noes: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=185755#post185755 |
| 21:25.48 | GAN8001 | It never ends, Jaffa. |
| 21:25.49 | KotCzarny | maybe i should finally creaty my repo too..? |
| 21:28.21 | blafasel | What exactly was the problem with a final repository again? |
| 21:28.31 | KotCzarny | incompatible packages |
| 21:28.32 | blafasel | The missing infrastructure? Acceptance? |
| 21:28.46 | KotCzarny | ie. multiple versions of the same app |
| 21:28.49 | KotCzarny | or lib |
| 21:28.57 | Jaffa | blafasel: "final"? |
| 21:29.17 | blafasel | Jaffa: Uhm. |
| 21:29.41 | blafasel | Jaffa: My brain and my fingers didn't agree on a word there. central would fit what I meant. |
| 21:29.52 | Jaffa | Ah, I see. |
| 21:30.38 | Jaffa | Well, we've got two: extras & extras-devel. The short reason people set up their own is one of two possible answers: they're lazy, and it's easier to create their own and screw potential users, 2) they don't know about it. |
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| 21:31.35 | Jaffa | isn't aware of any valid reasons at the moment to not use the central repos (would appreciate knowing if there are, but things like download stats or beta quality have previously been raised which both have been addressed) |
| 21:31.37 | KotCzarny | or both |
| 21:31.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:31.49 | timely | Jaffa: effort required to post to someone else's repo |
| 21:31.53 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: true :-) |
| 21:32.20 | KotCzarny | but laziness isn't the only reason |
| 21:32.33 | Jaffa | timely: ah, that's true. Although integrating dput/scp into a build system or running it in and of itself isn't /that/ much harder. |
| 21:32.37 | KotCzarny | to have package accepted you have to fullfil many reqs |
| 21:32.43 | Jaffa | One of the reasons I suggested polling stuff. |
| 21:32.48 | KotCzarny | like proper changelog etc |
| 21:32.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:33.19 | KotCzarny | otoh it's good |
| 21:33.23 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: there's no QA on extras(-devel) ATM, and besides - poor changelog => screwing users again |
| 21:33.45 | KotCzarny | because if someone puts enough effort to put a package on extras he/she will be knowledgeable enough to make a quality stuff |
| 21:33.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:34.53 | KotCzarny | and we have a reason to put off unauthorized repos with: 'what? some weird repo? remove it! and don't ask again' |
| 21:34.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:36.01 | crashanddie | btw |
| 21:36.13 | crashanddie | after... almost 6 months of developing on the IT |
| 21:36.33 | crashanddie | I must say, i'd love to do this for a living |
| 21:36.47 | crashanddie | I mean, as in work in the mobile-embedded-software-world |
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| 21:37.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:37.38 | KotCzarny | now try this with s60 sdk |
| 21:37.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:37.42 | Jaffa | wanted to join the Pervasive Computing dept at IBM Hursley as a graduate but ended up in a different dept on a different path. Nice to have it as a hobby, but free access to gadgets and doing cool stuff which impacts the real world might still be fun |
| 21:37.50 | ssvb | lardman: hmm, N8x0 can map 2MB of memory between ARM and DSP just fine |
| 21:38.38 | crashanddie | No one would know if Nokia's opening a branch in Cardiff ? (or other part of UK != London) |
| 21:40.43 | Jaffa | Nokia have a big, big office on the edge of Farnborough |
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| 21:42.23 | ssvb | crashanddie: if you don't mind moving to Finland, you may want to check current open positions here: http://www.nokia.com/A4126298 |
| 21:43.02 | crashanddie | ssvb, my Finish is pretty sketchy, and I'd rather move to the UK frankly |
| 21:43.10 | blafasel | KotCzarny: Never mention the S60 again.. |
| 21:43.48 | flo_lap | hehe, I tried the S60 SDK some weeks ago |
| 21:43.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:44.17 | flo_lap | I knew C++ is scary, but even the simplest S60 application scared me away ;) |
| 21:44.36 | lcuk | that sounds like my experience when i moved from amiga to windows |
| 21:44.38 | ssvb | crashanddie: one can live quite fine with speaking only English in Helsinki |
| 21:45.13 | lcuk | ssvb: english english English, english english? |
| 21:45.13 | blafasel | I'm going to repeat myself here, but I still don't get it: Confronted with worse-than-S40 bluetooth support the Nokia _technical_ support hotline said (quoted, as good as I can in english, call was in german): |
| 21:45.42 | ssvb | lcuk: have no idea, I'm not a native speaker... |
| 21:45.45 | crashanddie | lcuk, ENGLISH en glish ! |
| 21:46.19 | ssvb | lcuk: but I think you got the idea :) |
| 21:46.28 | blafasel | "Of course S40 phones are older and more stable" to which I responded with "Are you saying that S60 phones are less stable than S40 ones?": "No, I didn't state that. But if you do want to have a phone that does _everything_ it just HAS to have some limitations and problems" |
| 21:46.47 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:46.54 | Jaffa | blafasel: good grief |
| 21:47.03 | KotCzarny | now we know why n8x0 doesn't have a gsm! |
| 21:47.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:47.25 | blafasel | At that point I couldn't stop laughing and the guy redirected me to an automated "How happy are you with the Nokia support call that you just made" system.. |
| 21:47.25 | KotCzarny | though it still has it's problems |
| 21:47.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.19 | blafasel | Well, I traded the Nokia phone for a Sony-Ericsson last thursday and it's just great. Well.. Nevermind my rant, but S60 is currently a topic that I just can't resist to comment on. |
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| 21:59.27 | lardman|tv | ssvb: but 770 can't map it? |
| 22:01.01 | ssvb | lardman|tv: have not tried it, I switched to N810 for the last few hours |
| 22:01.43 | lardman|tv | ssvb: Glad to hear the theory translates into practice for the N8x0 at least then :) |
| 22:02.40 | ssvb | lardman|tv: it would be nice to have this information about 'dsp_dld -p' added to the dspprogramming wiki page |
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| 22:04.14 | TPC | hello, I'm trying to install scratchbox and I got it all installed, but when I try to compile something I get "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up!" |
| 22:04.17 | TPC | what could be wrong? |
| 22:04.42 | ssvb | lardman|tv: one of the problem with getting started with DSP programming is that there is too much extra information (at least for the start) and some important bits are still missing... |
| 22:04.46 | lardman|tv | ssvb: I'll try to do it tomorrow assuming I remember ;) |
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| 22:05.33 | lardman|tv | ssvb: yes, the page probably needs streamlining; I'd be interested to hear your comments (in an email perhaps) and I'll see what can be done to clarify & extend the wiki page |
| 22:05.45 | lardman|tv | I should link to the example code that I sent to the list for example |
| 22:06.01 | ssvb | lardman|tv: maybe we need to repackage dspgateway and have some kind of easy installation script |
| 22:06.23 | lardman|tv | ssvb: dspgateway or the toolchain? |
| 22:06.42 | ssvb | lardman|tv: dspgateway |
| 22:07.05 | ssvb | lardman|tv: but the installation script should check if the toolchain is properly installed |
| 22:09.22 | lardman|tv | dspgateway isn't really needed though, except for the headers |
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| 22:09.46 | ssvb | lardman|tv: I mean that dspgateway package is does not directly target internet tablet devices, not all the examples work out of the box (at least that was my impression) |
| 22:10.11 | lardman|tv | ah yes, that's quite true |
| 22:10.40 | lardman|tv | but it's not directed at the internet tablets alone, all of the omap dev boards use it |
| 22:10.49 | lardman|tv | it seemed to me that it was aimed more at them |
| 22:11.11 | lardman|tv | I did offer to add some extra explanation to the dspgateway docs, but didn't hear anything back |
| 22:11.35 | ssvb | lardman|tv: that's the point, strip all the unnecessary stuff from it, have some standard installation directories (in /opt for example), add easy installation script that would check all the prerequisites (ti toolchain) |
| 22:11.53 | lardman|tv | yep |
| 22:12.17 | lardman|tv | Better docs would be useful too -> more info & explanation in the wiki page |
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| 22:17.21 | lardman|tv | time for bed; night all |
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| 22:31.58 | beford | Hello. I'm trying to install midori on os2008. I'm using packages from http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-18488.html but I can't install webkit package. It requires libicu38 and and libxslt1.1. I tried to use install files from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/ but when I open them with application manager, it shows an error "unable to download libxslt1.1 . Application package not found". |
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| 22:45.55 | Jaffa | beford: get root access and then do apt-get install libxslt1.1 libicu38 from X Terminal |
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| 22:53.20 | GAN800 | I'd forgotten how useful thumb-activation of the thumb keyboard was after so long on Chinook. |
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| 23:26.56 | kkrusty | I started setting up maemo development on a machine some weeks ago and now Im not sure how far I went through. Can anyone tell me how I can confirm that ive installed the maemo SDK? |
| 23:29.19 | Grackle_ | sblogin or sb-login, I forget |
| 23:29.44 | Grackle_ | or if you don't have a target yet, you can set one up with sb-menu |
| 23:30.01 | Grackle_ | I stand firmly by the maemo sdk vmware appliance. http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 23:30.14 | kkrusty | hmmm seems that I have scratchbox installed. Im trying to compile the sample program |
| 23:30.28 | Grackle_ | If you can run virtual machines quickly (like, if your processor supports virtualization), you can't beat it. |
| 23:31.46 | kkrusty | it cant find my source files |
| 23:32.08 | Jaffa | MaemoSDK+ (sbox2 based) is another option |
| 23:33.16 | kkrusty | runs in windows too? |
| 23:33.55 | Jaffa | The VMware image does on the free (beer) VMware Player |
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| 23:34.20 | KotCzarny | free, but not open? |
| 23:34.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.31 | KotCzarny | so you can't tell it's really free |
| 23:34.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.39 | KotCzarny | (hidden fees) |
| 23:34.40 | KotCzarny | (: |
| 23:34.55 | kkrusty | where do I put source files for scratchbox to find it? |
| 23:35.28 | beford | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.44 | KotCzarny | or just cf |
| 23:35.46 | KotCzarny | cd |
| 23:35.48 | KotCzarny | and wget |
| 23:35.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:36.03 | pupnik | symlink the sb user subdir to something under your home dir |
| 23:36.09 | pupnik | makes it easier to xfer fils |
| 23:36.30 | KotCzarny | symlinks rule |
| 23:36.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.34 | kkrusty | so you recommend a vm instead? |
| 23:37.35 | beford | Jaffa, thanks, i'm installing them through ssh. |
| 23:38.56 | pupnik | a vm will save you some setup time |
| 23:39.22 | kkrusty | I have this idea of having an application that would synthesise a tone depending on signal strength |
| 23:39.31 | kkrusty | is that sane? |
| 23:39.39 | pupnik | what signal |
| 23:39.41 | KotCzarny | noisy |
| 23:39.53 | KotCzarny | and irritating for others |
| 23:39.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:39.57 | pupnik | all the wlans |
| 23:40.03 | kkrusty | KotCzarny: yeah its not supposed to be practical |
| 23:40.10 | kkrusty | pupnik: yep |
| 23:40.30 | pupnik | think |
| 23:41.56 | kkrusty | pupnik: Im fairly certain that Im making a fool out of myself but I guess that this keeps me motivated enough to at least learn maemo and hopefully develop something more useful |
| 23:42.13 | pupnik | it's possible |
| 23:42.35 | pupnik | you can do it in a couple evenings hacking kismet client |
| 23:42.52 | pupnik | but think, how will you represent the signal strength of multiple wlans at once... |
| 23:43.08 | KotCzarny | dyschordia |
| 23:43.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:43.09 | lcuk | different notes |
| 23:43.19 | lcuk | each node is a piano key |
| 23:43.21 | KotCzarny | depending on freq |
| 23:43.35 | KotCzarny | but what about diff essids? |
| 23:43.36 | pupnik | right, so you have 13 or so bands of freqs, at varying volumes |
| 23:43.42 | lcuk | gawd i didnt wanna think about audio yet. thats later |
| 23:43.44 | pupnik | oh yeah |
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| 23:44.16 | lcuk | world please stop, ive got too much to think about and 24 hours to do it in ;) |
| 23:44.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:44.37 | kkrusty | pupnik: what about being able to specify just one of all the combinations? |
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| 23:44.50 | KotCzarny | lcuk, it's only possible if you cut from information inputs |
| 23:45.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:45.19 | lcuk | why not do a full drumkit/one man band, you can assign fart noises and stuff to specific ssids |
| 23:45.28 | pupnik | nice to meet you kkrusty -- it's great to see ppl interested in making stuff |
| 23:45.31 | KotCzarny | well |
| 23:45.33 | pupnik | always happy to see that |
| 23:45.34 | KotCzarny | even better |
| 23:45.36 | KotCzarny | speach synth |
| 23:45.41 | KotCzarny | saying essids |
| 23:45.49 | pupnik | like kismet does |
| 23:45.51 | KotCzarny | with vol = sig str |
| 23:46.06 | pupnik | i have done warwalking with kismet |
| 23:46.12 | KotCzarny | and with freq = freq |
| 23:46.21 | pupnik | like you care about that |
| 23:46.34 | pupnik | if you find an open wlan, kismet makes a special beep |
| 23:46.39 | KotCzarny | could be fun for channel hoppers |
| 23:46.39 | pupnik | then you pull the tablet out of pocket |
| 23:46.42 | pupnik | and look at it |
| 23:46.44 | pupnik | ahn |
| 23:46.57 | lcuk | and when they are all close and surrounding you the noise changes to "run away" |
| 23:47.22 | pupnik | i'm just going to drop my dsl i think |
| 23:47.24 | lcuk | pupnik, i was gonna do bluetooth pinging and location with 810 for linuxtag |
| 23:47.33 | pupnik | coooool |
| 23:47.41 | lcuk | note the was :| |
| 23:47.51 | lcuk | laffs |
| 23:47.58 | KotCzarny | still good idea for future |
| 23:48.02 | KotCzarny | so :) |
| 23:48.27 | lcuk | they all are, i really like what im doing even though theres no end product yet |
| 23:48.38 | pupnik | lcuk: it's going to be us, and a few random passerby |
| 23:48.49 | pupnik | show what you know... i'll enjoy it |
| 23:48.55 | lcuk | we have an entire linux conference to sneak around |
| 23:50.29 | lcuk | it would be great coupling a mesh toghether using a mix of known fixed location scanning nodes (like doorways) and mobile units. you could gather signal strengths from all nodes and produce a reasonably accurate map via transgulation |
| 23:50.48 | lcuk | -typos |
| 23:51.27 | lcuk | in the quick test i did it takes about 10 seconds per ping to obtain a full list of all surrounding devices with strength. |
| 23:51.52 | lcuk | but with devices starting from different times the map could evolve as new information comes in |
| 23:52.14 | lcuk | i would love a second device to exapnd on this |
| 23:55.26 | pupnik | will the projector have hdmi input? |
| 23:55.45 | *** join/#maemo zpol (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 23:55.53 | pupnik | if so i can make a camera + box that will let us demo stuff live |
| 23:56.14 | zpol | re |
| 23:56.16 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:56.16 | lcuk | GREAT VALUE - UNLOCKED Nokia N800 PDA & Internet Tablet |
| 23:56.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.18 | pupnik | would need to install synergy and usb networking |
| 23:56.41 | pupnik | if that guy is in germany i'll beat him over the head with a large stick |
| 23:56.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:57.22 | KotCzarny | internet pda? |
| 23:57.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:57.38 | lcuk | i like the way its UNLOCKED |
| 23:57.48 | zpol | how use the libgtkmozembed+ python ? |
| 23:57.54 | zpol | import gtkmozembed |
| 23:58.00 | zpol | module not found :( |
| 23:58.12 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:58.23 | KotCzarny | observe that all false words are CAPITALIZED |
| 23:58.34 | KotCzarny | 'great' and 'value' too |
