| 00:00.30 | n800n | penguinbait's again... i guess i could wait and ask him |
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| 00:10.44 | n800n | can i make something force quit from xterm? |
| 00:10.55 | KotCzarny | killall |
| 00:10.58 | KotCzarny | or kill |
| 00:11.07 | KotCzarny | or killall -9 |
| 00:11.10 | KotCzarny | or kill -9 |
| 00:11.57 | n800n | if i wanna kill the app manager? |
| 00:12.08 | n800n | kill -9 |
| 00:12.11 | KotCzarny | btw. clicking on 'x' will work |
| 00:12.16 | KotCzarny | just wait a little |
| 00:12.30 | n800n | well it's dowanloading the kde install but i have to run |
| 00:12.47 | n800n | so it's stuck 'instaling' |
| 00:13.12 | KotCzarny | just reboot the device |
| 00:13.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:13.33 | n800n | good call |
| 00:13.35 | n800n | thanks |
| 00:13.37 | EruditeHermit | hmm, it always fails to boot from my internal card |
| 00:13.52 | KotCzarny | eh: try mmc1 instead of mmc2? |
| 00:13.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:13.58 | EruditeHermit | I did |
| 00:14.00 | EruditeHermit | err |
| 00:14.05 | EruditeHermit | I set it to ask |
| 00:14.14 | EruditeHermit | and I tried both options |
| 00:14.44 | EruditeHermit | what I find weird is |
| 00:15.11 | EruditeHermit | it says Internal MMC card, partition 2, ext2 N/A as the option |
| 00:15.17 | EruditeHermit | why would it be partition 2? |
| 00:15.36 | EruditeHermit | it should be partition 1 |
| 00:15.42 | EruditeHermit | shouldn't it? |
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| 00:17.14 | jeff1f | Can anyone DCC me the becomeroot package? |
| 00:17.32 | AStorm | jeff1f: use WWW instead |
| 00:17.33 | KotCzarny | eh: depends on your layout |
| 00:17.40 | unixSnob | EruditeHermit: I don't know the particulars of booting the mmc media.. but in general, any primary partition can be "active" and capable of booting linux. |
| 00:17.46 | AStorm | and grab easyroot |
| 00:17.47 | AStorm | jeff1f: nitapps.com |
| 00:18.29 | jeff1f | Thanks, gronmayer.net is having problems |
| 00:18.34 | EruditeHermit | I formatted it so that ext3 took up teh entire disk |
| 00:18.37 | KotCzarny | google too? |
| 00:18.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:19.01 | jeff1f | Hey now, I looked and looked! |
| 00:19.14 | AStorm | and I'm mad ;P |
| 00:19.44 | KotCzarny | astorm: removed wrong partition? |
| 00:19.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:19.51 | jeff1f | But DCC brings back so many memories |
| 00:19.58 | NullM0dem | lol |
| 00:20.11 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no no no :-) |
| 00:20.26 | AStorm | nothing as evil |
| 00:20.26 | AStorm | I can't remove /dev/mtdblock4 anyway :> |
| 00:20.33 | KotCzarny | well |
| 00:20.34 | KotCzarny | you can |
| 00:20.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:20.41 | KotCzarny | but that would require some hacking |
| 00:20.45 | AStorm | not as easily |
| 00:20.51 | KotCzarny | but you can |
| 00:20.52 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: are the options for internal MMC or External MMC correct? Is there any possibility that I have to change something there? |
| 00:20.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:21.04 | KotCzarny | eh: i don't know your layout |
| 00:21.21 | unixSnob | And linux is capable of having 4 primary partitions |
| 00:21.27 | AStorm | EruditeHermit: if you made the whole device an fs, you need to change bootmenu.conf |
| 00:21.37 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 00:22.01 | EruditeHermit | should I repartion so that it is not the whole device? |
| 00:22.20 | KotCzarny | eh: keeping it standard helps |
| 00:22.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:22.24 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 00:22.38 | KotCzarny | ie. partition 1 vfat/ext, partition 2 ext (cloned os) |
| 00:24.52 | EruditeHermit | AStorm: where is bootmenu.conf. Isit on the device or do I have to flash it fron initfs_flash with the edited config in that directory |
| 00:25.07 | KotCzarny | eh: have you bothered to read the docs? |
| 00:25.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:25.11 | EruditeHermit | yes |
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| 00:25.22 | KotCzarny | it should be there at the time of flashing |
| 00:25.24 | EruditeHermit | there is one in that directory |
| 00:25.32 | KotCzarny | then it will ask if you want to use it |
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| 00:28.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny: we're very close to getting vanilla linux-omap to run flawlessly :-) |
| 00:28.54 | AStorm | I hope Nokia will pick that up |
| 00:29.13 | KotCzarny | astorm: what features are missing? |
| 00:29.24 | AStorm | hmm, I guess, maybe voltage scaling? |
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| 00:30.04 | AStorm | nothing they can't implement in a few weeks |
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| 00:36.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: could you get me CONFIG_CMDLINE from your kernel? |
| 00:36.27 | AStorm | ok, no need for |
| 00:36.33 | AStorm | got it |
| 00:36.41 | KotCzarny | glad i could help :P |
| 00:37.23 | nomis | yay! https://serialio.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=456 |
| 00:38.35 | KotCzarny | nomis: great, but price is.. hum |
| 00:39.16 | nomis | argh, and I misread "mini" for "micro"... again! |
| 00:39.46 | KotCzarny | but we use mini |
| 00:39.53 | KotCzarny | afair |
| 00:40.07 | nomis | KotCzarny: N810 uses micro, N800 uses mini. |
| 00:40.15 | KotCzarny | has n800 |
| 00:40.16 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:40.33 | KotCzarny | (another point of n800 being superior to n810 ;) |
| 00:40.44 | nomis | :) |
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| 00:41.58 | AStorm | ok, new kernel works |
| 00:42.01 | AStorm | now on to modules :-) |
| 00:42.24 | KotCzarny | hrm, zaurus has cf slots |
| 00:42.26 | AStorm | ah, wait |
| 00:42.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:42.35 | AStorm | first, I'll patch the keymap to be German |
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| 00:43.10 | AStorm | and charge the device |
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| 00:43.28 | KotCzarny | nomis, also i think we need mini-b (male) to usb-a (female) |
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| 00:44.12 | KotCzarny | nomis: https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?cPath=54_61&products_id=141 |
| 00:44.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:44.39 | KotCzarny | ah, sorry |
| 00:44.42 | yvan_ | where can I find sqlite3 for OS2008 ?? |
| 00:44.44 | KotCzarny | that's usb-a male |
| 00:47.00 | AStorm | ok, got cx3310x |
| 00:47.08 | AStorm | *cx3110x |
| 00:47.10 | AStorm | and btrfs |
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| 00:50.13 | AStorm | after getting maemo booting, next step will be a rewrite of init |
| 00:50.18 | AStorm | *initfs |
| 00:50.26 | AStorm | as that's hacky and lacking |
| 00:50.36 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 00:51.14 | AStorm | it's hack on hack, non-modular, etc. |
| 00:51.23 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 00:51.29 | KotCzarny | afair it can load modules |
| 00:51.36 | AStorm | ... |
| 00:51.43 | AStorm | linuxrc |
| 00:51.46 | KotCzarny | and you can always add a line to source a dir |
| 00:51.51 | AStorm | I mean the init script |
| 00:52.20 | KotCzarny | but the problem with initfs is that it readonly |
| 00:52.28 | AStorm | no, it's not a problem |
| 00:52.34 | AStorm | you can rebuild it easily |
| 00:52.37 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 00:52.41 | KotCzarny | but it takes time |
| 00:52.45 | AStorm | and it's possible to load further modules from hd |
| 00:53.01 | KotCzarny | btw. jffs2 is rw ? |
| 00:53.06 | AStorm | it is |
| 00:53.20 | AStorm | but it's mounted ro |
| 00:53.25 | KotCzarny | mount -o remount,rw on initfs partition will work? |
| 00:53.34 | AStorm | will not allow write |
| 00:53.35 | KotCzarny | it shows 0 kb free |
| 00:53.43 | AStorm | I think there is some bit set on that flash |
| 00:53.47 | AStorm | oh yes, it is |
| 00:53.54 | wolfspirit | man the guy who had the nokia before me had 2007.. 2008 seems a lot nicer.. the on screen keyboard seems more responsive |
| 00:53.58 | AStorm | totally full |
| 00:54.01 | AStorm | you'd have to expand the image a bit |
| 00:54.25 | KotCzarny | astorm: but mtdblock4 is rw |
| 00:54.34 | KotCzarny | so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 00:54.39 | KotCzarny | to have jffs2 rw |
| 00:54.43 | KotCzarny | on initfs |
| 00:55.07 | AStorm | there's no problem |
| 00:55.08 | AStorm | :-) |
| 00:55.20 | KotCzarny | why nobody did the mod then? |
| 00:55.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:55.42 | KotCzarny | it would be easier to hack then :) |
| 00:55.44 | AStorm | just because almost nobody uses the initfs really |
| 00:55.47 | AStorm | yes |
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| 00:56.23 | yvan_ | where can I find sqlite3 for OS2008 ?? |
| 00:56.27 | KotCzarny | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/sl-c3000-01.jpg |
| 00:56.32 | KotCzarny | lol, this guy is nuts |
| 00:56.36 | AStorm | yvan_: it's on the device afaicr |
| 00:56.37 | AStorm | in the repos |
| 00:57.17 | AStorm | i.e. canola uses it |
| 00:57.49 | Blafasel | KotCzarny: Nice picture ;) |
| 00:58.05 | yvan_ | meh? i cant find it.. sqlite or sqlite3 |
| 00:58.07 | yvan_ | ? |
| 00:58.23 | KotCzarny | The iRiver USB cable works with the Zaurus. This cable is quite small and has a USB mini A connector on one end and a USB A Female on the other. |
| 00:58.24 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 00:59.19 | AStorm | yvan_: sqlite |
| 00:59.27 | AStorm | search for it with app manager |
| 00:59.59 | Blafasel | Btw: Who killed the rather useful topic? |
| 01:00.17 | KotCzarny | astorm did |
| 01:00.21 | Blafasel | Ah.. KotCzarny did ;) |
| 01:00.23 | AStorm | by accident |
| 01:00.28 | Blafasel | 03:00:15 -!- Topic set by KotCzarny [n=ariel@68.162.32.101] [Sat May 24 01:56:51 2008] |
| 01:00.36 | KotCzarny | but he killed it first |
| 01:00.41 | Blafasel | hrhr |
| 01:00.43 | KotCzarny | and i hadn't got a copy |
| 01:00.55 | AStorm | fix it please :-) |
| 01:01.24 | yvan_ | i need sqlite3 (i guess) for the maemo-mapper database |
| 01:01.38 | AStorm | yvan_: it's in maemo-extras, duh |
| 01:01.39 | KotCzarny | install maemo-mapper |
| 01:01.41 | *** topic/#maemo by Blafasel -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 01:01.48 | KotCzarny | you will sqlite free |
| 01:01.55 | Blafasel | Better? |
| 01:02.04 | AStorm | Blafasel: :-) |
| 01:02.11 | KotCzarny | blafasel: add maemo.org |
| 01:02.16 | KotCzarny | it's essential page |
| 01:02.19 | Blafasel | Where? What? |
| 01:02.21 | KotCzarny | and should be checked first |
| 01:02.27 | KotCzarny | to the beginning of the topic |
| 01:02.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:02.35 | *** topic/#maemo by Blafasel -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 01:02.43 | KotCzarny | thx :) |
| 01:02.59 | Blafasel | Sure |
| 01:03.06 | n800n | so duke nukem huh |
| 01:03.09 | Blafasel | Time to head for bed though. Night. |
| 01:03.34 | AStorm | ok |
| 01:03.41 | AStorm | goes off to play Planescape some more |
| 01:04.29 | yvan_ | I have sqlite but I cant access the poi.db... says it's crypted or something |
| 01:05.05 | KotCzarny | then it's probably empty |
| 01:05.08 | KotCzarny | or something |
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| 01:06.48 | AStorm | KotCzarny: tomorrow I'll get sbox running when I get tired of Planescape |
| 01:06.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:07.00 | AStorm | and then the world shall be mine! <evil laughter /> |
| 01:07.18 | KotCzarny | unless you break your nokie |
| 01:07.20 | KotCzarny | nokia |
| 01:07.29 | AStorm | why would I? |
| 01:07.34 | KotCzarny | accident |
| 01:07.38 | AStorm | yeah sure |
| 01:07.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:07.55 | AStorm | at worst it'll need a reflash |
| 01:08.07 | AStorm | painful, but not all that horrible |
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| 01:09.52 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.05 | KotCzarny | can anyone tall what cable it is: http://www.alancomputech.com/mcpg-uk02.html |
| 01:13.40 | KotCzarny | *tell |
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| 01:32.43 | rnartos | how can I configure vgba to work in N800?? |
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| 02:08.11 | |penguinbait| | cd /usr/local/bin/ |
| 02:08.21 | |penguinbait| | ooops |
| 02:08.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:08.43 | KotCzarny | cd: failed, no such file or directory |
| 02:08.55 | |penguinbait| | to many cherry wheats!! |
| 02:12.28 | |penguinbait| | maybe I should not drink and compile? I dont think that breaks any laws, or violates GPL in any way? |
| 02:13.03 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 02:13.09 | KotCzarny | accidents happen |
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| 02:13.39 | KotCzarny | as long those are only machines you own, there's no problem for society |
| 02:13.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:14.07 | |penguinbait| | but if I put it in a deb and offer it to people? |
| 02:14.18 | KotCzarny | then those wouldn't be your machines |
| 02:14.26 | KotCzarny | add a disclaimer |
| 02:14.31 | KotCzarny | and you should be ok |
| 02:14.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:15.01 | |penguinbait| | disclaimer of course !! |
| 02:15.44 | |penguinbait| | Uh, I may have been drinking when building this package, use at own risk |
| 02:15.58 | KotCzarny | good enough |
| 02:15.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:17.27 | |penguinbait| | I was in Thomas Edisons workshop today, OMG what a trip |
| 02:17.40 | |penguinbait| | wright bros too, |
| 02:18.11 | KotCzarny | tripper |
| 02:18.52 | |penguinbait| | my youngest son, had a trip to Greenfield Village |
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| 02:20.45 | |penguinbait| | they had one giant steam engine, hooked to a pully/belt system that ran several different machines off the same turbine |
| 02:21.10 | KotCzarny | steampunk ftw |
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| 02:25.04 | mysc | hi, been searching the forum and can't find a positive answer on using a bt mouse on os '08. possible? |
| 02:25.26 | |penguinbait| | yes mysc |
| 02:25.27 | KotCzarny | with some hacking |
| 02:25.29 | |penguinbait| | http://www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure%20Images/Expeditions%20Images/Henry%20Ford%20Museum/1938%20Shop%20interior%202.jpg |
| 02:25.32 | |penguinbait| | no hacking |
| 02:25.36 | |penguinbait| | just install deb |
| 02:25.41 | KotCzarny | essentially enabling cursor and loading psmodule |
| 02:25.44 | |penguinbait| | and bluetooth stack |
| 02:25.49 | KotCzarny | pb: i call that hacking ;) |
| 02:25.54 | |penguinbait| | ah, its all in KDE? |
| 02:26.09 | |penguinbait| | no hacking required, I already did it for you |
| 02:26.11 | mysc | Kot, i see. any wiki/url that details this? |
| 02:26.25 | KotCzarny | mysc: is that kde or maemo? |
| 02:26.30 | mysc | penguin, i mean no disrespect but i don't like kde. |
| 02:26.31 | |penguinbait| | of course adding KDE to get mouse cursors mught be a bit much |
| 02:26.40 | mysc | Kot, maemo |
| 02:26.50 | |penguinbait| | none taken |
| 02:27.02 | KotCzarny | mysc: rename /usr/share/icons/cursors, insmod psmouse |
| 02:27.08 | |penguinbait| | please dont take this the wrong way,but hildon sucks :) |
| 02:27.17 | KotCzarny | eh, bt mouse |
| 02:27.18 | |penguinbait| | <---- DUCKS |
| 02:27.40 | mysc | kot, what do you mean rename? |
| 02:27.46 | KotCzarny | doesn't like some things in hildon |
| 02:27.50 | KotCzarny | but overall it's ok |
| 02:27.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:28.00 | |penguinbait| | I tried gnome first, but there were too many issues with the current os versions |
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| 02:28.14 | KotCzarny | gnome/kde is a dependency hell |
| 02:28.29 | |penguinbait| | KDE is all separate, thats what makes it fit nicely on the IT |
| 02:28.31 | mysc | Kot, i have no /usr/share/icons/cursors |
| 02:28.39 | KotCzarny | mysc: can be in another location |
| 02:28.53 | KotCzarny | ie. /usr/share/cursor or /usr/share/pixmaps/cursor |
| 02:28.59 | mysc | might you mean xcursor-transparent ? |
| 02:29.06 | KotCzarny | yeah, probably |
| 02:29.13 | KotCzarny | don't forget to reboot |
| 02:29.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:29.17 | mysc | i love these precise answers :) |
| 02:29.28 | |penguinbait| | you need too add more cursors, where xcursor-tranparent lives |
| 02:29.29 | KotCzarny | mysc: you learn much more this way :) |
| 02:30.19 | mysc | yes, i guess so. i just removed the shrinkwrap on my apple bt kb. boy do these cupertino folks sure make nice hw |
| 02:30.32 | |penguinbait| | http://www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure%20Images/Expeditions%20Images/Henry%20Ford%20Museum/1938%20Shop%20interior%202.jpg |
| 02:30.33 | mysc | it's small enough to be portable to, so im not getting a igo anymore |
| 02:30.47 | KotCzarny | mysc: link for a pic? |
| 02:30.56 | mysc | ? |
| 02:31.01 | KotCzarny | for that kb |
| 02:31.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:31.23 | KotCzarny | pb: looks not work safe ;) |
| 02:31.47 | mysc | http://somecontrast.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/img_0107.jpg (one i just found) |
| 02:31.59 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:32.09 | KotCzarny | not bad indeed |
| 02:32.12 | KotCzarny | but weird |
| 02:32.37 | |penguinbait| | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.1_armel.deb |
| 02:32.44 | mysc | a little weird looking if you expect traditional kb's...but it feels great to type on and weighs nothing |
| 02:33.32 | KotCzarny | got igo for a 25$, so i have no need for another one :) |
| 02:33.33 | mysc | it's about 2 n800s wide and 1.25 n800s tall |
| 02:34.18 | mysc | OK folks, so i'm gonna have to hack maemo myself here to figure out bt mouse :) |
| 02:34.35 | KotCzarny | mysc: if you need psmouse module just shout |
| 02:34.39 | mysc | i would like to know that it works before spending the $$ on the apple one i'm going to get |
| 02:34.40 | KotCzarny | i have it compiled somewhere |
| 02:34.53 | KotCzarny | or just look for it somewhere |
| 02:34.55 | lcuk | mysc >> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg |
| 02:35.14 | KotCzarny | or compile your own kernel (and grab the module :) |
| 02:35.43 | mysc | lcuk, sweet! carpentry skills for a docking station! |
| 02:35.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk: shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 02:35.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:36.11 | mysc | Kot, nah, im not going to compile my own kernel...can't i just insert the module? |
| 02:36.18 | lcuk | errr maybe |
| 02:36.29 | KotCzarny | yes, but it's not compiled in default |
| 02:36.33 | KotCzarny | i may be wrong though |
| 02:36.41 | mysc | Kot, oh, i see, you said rename because the module puts another cursor file there? |
| 02:36.45 | KotCzarny | look for psmouse.ko in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules |
| 02:36.50 | mysc | sec |
| 02:36.58 | KotCzarny | mysc: not module but xserver |
| 02:37.13 | lcuk | mysc, its not just a dock, its an armrest - my hand lies flat and level with the drawing surface, my wrist is as relaxed drawing on 810 as it is on paper |
| 02:37.21 | mysc | nope |
| 02:38.49 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz |
| 02:38.55 | KotCzarny | bunch of misc modules |
| 02:39.01 | mysc | hrmmm, ls doesn't work with symlinks on maemo |
| 02:40.19 | mysc | kot, have you actually set up a bt mouse on maemo? |
| 02:40.24 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 02:40.27 | KotCzarny | i don't have one |
| 02:40.38 | KotCzarny | but i assume it uses ps protocol |
| 02:40.57 | KotCzarny | (i may be wrong though) |
| 02:41.41 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 02:41.54 | KotCzarny | on a second though.. |
| 02:42.17 | KotCzarny | pb: does xserver recognize other input devices? |
| 02:42.26 | KotCzarny | or it needs something special? |
| 02:42.32 | |penguinbait| | like what? |
| 02:42.37 | KotCzarny | like usb mouse |
| 02:42.40 | |penguinbait| | yes |
| 02:42.45 | mysc | i would assume evdev over bt? |
| 02:42.55 | |penguinbait| | I use bt mouse though |
| 02:43.08 | |penguinbait| | usb gamepads work great |
| 02:43.35 | |penguinbait| | qjoypad comes with KDE, works in hildon and KDE |
| 02:43.38 | mysc | pg, does the mouse co-exist with stylus event monitoring? |
| 02:43.44 | |penguinbait| | yes |
| 02:44.08 | |penguinbait| | I use |
| 02:44.10 | mysc | hrmmm, you keep pushing kde...c'mon mysc, the cool kids do it...first one's free |
| 02:44.11 | |penguinbait| | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.1_armel.deb |
| 02:44.37 | |penguinbait| | :) |
| 02:44.40 | mysc | pg, can i install that .deb on os2008 without needing any kde stuffs? |
| 02:44.57 | |penguinbait| | yes, its not mine |
| 02:45.11 | |penguinbait| | Its from the USB moust thread on ITT |
| 02:45.23 | |penguinbait| | But has BT mouse support also |
| 02:45.28 | KotCzarny | what does it contain? |
| 02:45.52 | mysc | sweetness. now i just need to go get my mouse. i hope the apple one works as it would go slick with my kb :) |
| 02:46.05 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:46.16 | KotCzarny | pb, so bt mouse doesn't use ps protocol? |
| 02:46.18 | KotCzarny | (ps2) |
| 02:46.37 | |penguinbait| | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=159462&postcount=69 |
| 02:46.46 | |penguinbait| | thats where I got it |
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| 02:47.12 | KotCzarny | nice though |
| 02:47.23 | KotCzarny | adds to a bin with misc finds |
| 02:47.41 | KotCzarny | how do you enter pin with a bt mouse ? |
| 02:47.42 | |penguinbait| | it works decent enough, I can finally play kbounce |
| 02:47.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:47.57 | mysc | pg, many thanks. i saw you need kb if you use a mouse. or else you kde kb :) |
| 02:48.02 | |penguinbait| | Mine does not have a pin, targus bt mouse |
| 02:48.18 | lcuk | hmm |
| 02:48.20 | |penguinbait| | I use 810 |
| 02:48.46 | |penguinbait| | You can pair anything using hildon control panel bluetooth applt |
| 02:49.37 | |penguinbait| | just because you pair does not mean anything will work, you still need the deb |
| 02:49.59 | mysc | that's true...what about the pin? when it was pairing my kb it asked for a 4-char pin |
| 02:50.14 | |penguinbait| | I wrote a script using kdialog to choose the bluetooth mouse from a menu of scanned devices |
| 02:50.19 | mysc | up two half scrolls, down a scroll, up 3 scrolls, right button? heh |
| 02:50.35 | KotCzarny | morse code |
| 02:50.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:50.45 | KotCzarny | long click/short click |
| 02:50.55 | |penguinbait| | usually bt devices (not keyboards) have a pin of 0000 |
| 02:50.57 | lcuk | gesture recognition |
| 02:51.03 | |penguinbait| | read your documentation |
| 02:51.51 | mysc | OK |
| 02:52.46 | |penguinbait| | if its a keyboard, you can usually pick any 4 numbers, as long as you type them in the same on both devices |
| 02:52.56 | |penguinbait| | thats how my nokia works anyway |
| 02:53.25 | mysc | oh, i didn't even realize i could change the pin, i thought maemo was generating that and it was fixed |
| 02:55.14 | mysc | well, this was most helpful, pg. |
| 02:55.22 | mysc | danke :> |
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| 03:31.57 | mysc | put on a screen protector and there are two major problems, i am clumsy as hell so it has bubbles and more importantly i can't get it off! :( |
| 03:32.48 | lcuk | take it into a shop which sells them and kindly ask the guy to replace it for you (for a small extra fee) :) |
| 03:33.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:33.07 | KotCzarny | or ask a friend |
| 03:33.16 | KotCzarny | who is better at manual jobs |
| 03:33.19 | lcuk | yer, the fee then is beer |
| 03:33.41 | KotCzarny | or a jug of juice |
| 03:33.43 | mysc | any tricks to removing them? |
| 03:33.58 | KotCzarny | mysc: use credit card to push them out? |
| 03:34.03 | mysc | or do i just keep pecking away at a corner till i win? |
| 03:34.08 | lcuk | ive never used one, but wish i did, my 810 has a scratch and an elbow crack |
| 03:34.14 | KotCzarny | or just wait, maybe they disappear by themselves |
| 03:34.27 | KotCzarny | lcuk: crack? o.O |
| 03:35.15 | KotCzarny | mysc: instructions on my screen protector says some bubbles are to be expected, and they will disappear eventually |
| 03:35.24 | KotCzarny | though i haven't applied it by myslef |
| 03:35.25 | lcuk | i thought it was a scratch at first, but the surface on each side of the line is at different heights, only feasible way it happened was when tracy absent mindedly leant on it with elbow |
| 03:35.27 | KotCzarny | so i don't know |
| 03:35.33 | lcuk | she said the color drained from my face |
| 03:35.59 | KotCzarny | lcuk, yeah, i have heard that story, but i didn't know it's a crack and not only a scratch |
| 03:36.21 | l7__ | hey, has anyone gotten their n800 to crash on shutdown? |
| 03:36.30 | lcuk | its not broken though, i can just feel it when i go over |
| 03:36.43 | KotCzarny | lcuk, then it's a deep scatch |
| 03:36.45 | lcuk | the other scratch is only about 1mm long but i know its there |
| 03:36.50 | KotCzarny | probably some filler should do |
| 03:37.02 | l7__ | i shut the thing off while playing an mp3 stream, and now it's just frozen with a black screen, mp3 steam playing and the blue light blinking at me |
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| 03:37.16 | KotCzarny | l7: nice, does ssh work? |
| 03:37.26 | lcuk | its not a scratch - ive got scratches and a crack on my loox, its similar to the crack on that |
| 03:37.41 | KotCzarny | lcuk: is it under warranty? |
| 03:37.45 | lcuk | pop your battery, its just got its knickers in a twist |
| 03:37.54 | l7__ | KotCzarny: i haven't tried sshing into my n800 yet |
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| 03:38.06 | lcuk | warranty never covers screen damage? |
| 03:38.09 | l7__ | is there a way to hard reset the n800? i'd prefer not to pull the battery out |
| 03:38.12 | KotCzarny | l7: you should be able i think, then just kill -9 -1 |
| 03:38.18 | KotCzarny | should reboot after that ;)) |
| 03:38.30 | lcuk | l7, dont be scared, just pop it and be done |
| 03:38.48 | l7__ | lcuk: popping the battery won't hurt the n800? |
| 03:38.56 | KotCzarny | shouldn't |
| 03:39.04 | lcuk | dont see how it could |
| 03:39.09 | KotCzarny | fs corruption is a possibility though |
| 03:39.13 | l7__ | hmm |
| 03:39.16 | KotCzarny | nothing that reflash wouldn't fix |
| 03:39.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:39.26 | l7__ | how can i ssh into the n800? |
| 03:39.31 | l7__ | is there a default password? |
| 03:39.32 | lcuk | so what happens when your battery goes flat |
| 03:39.43 | KotCzarny | l7: if you haven't installed ssh server then you can't |
| 03:39.45 | lcuk | and its switched on |
| 03:39.57 | KotCzarny | ssh server is the first thing i install on every box |
| 03:39.58 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:40.00 | l7__ | i did install the ssh client |
| 03:40.17 | l7__ | i think i may have installed both the client and server |
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| 03:42.38 | lcuk | nite |
| 03:42.42 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
| 03:42.52 | l7__ | oh yeah i can ssh in |
| 03:43.17 | l7__ | is there a default login and password though? |
| 03:43.21 | l7__ | or is the password randomized? |
| 03:43.34 | KotCzarny | if you installed ssh it asked you for a root pass |
| 03:44.14 | l7__ | oh right |
| 03:44.18 | l7__ | i'm in :) |
| 03:44.28 | KotCzarny | now have fun |
| 03:44.42 | KotCzarny | btw. are you sure it's not locked? |
| 03:44.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:44.46 | l7__ | kill -9 -1? |
| 03:44.49 | l7__ | locked? |
| 03:44.56 | KotCzarny | press power button |
| 03:45.05 | KotCzarny | (or slider on n810 ?) |
| 03:45.19 | mysc | root/rootme |
| 03:45.29 | l7__ | power button does nothing |
| 03:45.42 | l7__ | the blue light continously flashes |
| 03:45.51 | KotCzarny | l7: try reboot |
| 03:45.52 | l7__ | and the mp3 stream keeps playing on and on and on :) |
| 03:46.06 | l7__ | should i kill any processes first? |
| 03:46.09 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 03:46.14 | KotCzarny | it will do it for you |
| 03:46.54 | l7__ | hmm |
| 03:47.03 | l7__ | seems to be working |
| 03:47.29 | l7__ | ah nice, it worked perfectly :) |
| 03:47.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:47.46 | l7__ | only thing is, i can't find out what caused the crash |
| 03:48.04 | l7__ | it's an old version of the ROM anyway |
| 03:48.18 | l7__ | all i know is, playing mp3 stream + shutdown may cause crash |
| 03:48.25 | mysc | ok, got the screen protector off...goddamn was i getting mad. never (never) use ones with adhesive |
| 03:48.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:49.43 | l7__ | mysc: which screen protector did you buy? |
| 03:49.58 | l7__ | i've had a protector for... several months but have been too lazy to apply it |
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| 03:51.42 | mysc | l7, never use WriteRight |
| 03:52.14 | l7__ | hmm, i'll keep that in mind |
| 03:52.23 | l7__ | i bought the boxwave protector everyone told me to get |
| 03:52.43 | KotCzarny | got some screen protector with the device |
| 03:52.49 | KotCzarny | second hand ftw! |
| 03:53.11 | KotCzarny | already applied :) |
| 03:53.38 | l7__ | heh nice |
| 03:54.51 | mysc | l7, i was going to order the boxwave ones but i saw these in the shop today |
| 03:54.55 | mysc | waste of $10 |
| 03:55.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:55.10 | KotCzarny | sell it |
| 03:55.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:55.36 | l7__ | lol |
| 03:55.46 | l7__ | KotCzarny: how much did you get your n800 for used? |
| 03:55.52 | Johnny5 | Is the boxwave really worth it? |
| 03:56.07 | l7__ | i'm vaguely considering selling my n800 and getting an n810 |
| 03:56.14 | l7__ | i really like that keyboard |
| 03:56.17 | KotCzarny | l7: 200$ for n800 + 8gb sd card + screen protectors |
| 03:56.19 | mysc | l7, don't. i did the opposite. |
| 03:56.33 | l7__ | mysc: you sold your n810 for an n800? |
| 03:56.37 | Johnny5 | I'm still using the default sticker (the non-screen-protector screen protector), but it's starting to get impossible to read in sunlight, so I'm considering the boxwave. |
| 03:56.42 | l7__ | why? |
| 03:57.07 | mysc | l7, double the dough wasn't worth it. i was no better at the hw kb than with the onscreen vt kb or hw recognition |
| 03:57.30 | mysc | it was heavier, had gps which didn't sync well and was imprecise and didn't have 2 memory slots |
| 03:57.39 | l7__ | you found the hw kb too clumsy then? |
| 03:57.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:58.03 | KotCzarny | pity n810 screen doesn't fit n800 |
| 03:58.17 | KotCzarny | it could be a win :> |
| 03:58.31 | l7__ | how is the n810 screen different? |
| 03:58.34 | mysc | here's the deal, if you're gonna type a lot...as in a document, the hw kb isn't gonna do it so you'll be using a usb/bt kb anyways. and for the simple stuff the onscreen is fine |
| 03:58.35 | KotCzarny | connector |
| 03:58.43 | KotCzarny | from what i remember from the boards |
| 03:58.43 | l7__ | just the extra brightness? |
| 03:59.00 | KotCzarny | it's not extra brightnes, it's transreflective |
| 03:59.06 | l7__ | the hw kb seems decent for chat and irc |
| 03:59.07 | mysc | yes, the screen was nicer outside |
| 03:59.13 | l7__ | and short emails, which is mosly what i want |
| 03:59.34 | mysc | but it wasn't 200 dollars nicer :) |
| 03:59.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:59.42 | l7__ | well true :) |
| 03:59.49 | l7__ | i'm hoping for an n810 price drop |
| 03:59.57 | KotCzarny | not until n900 |
| 03:59.59 | mysc | anyways, get whichever you like more. for what i do the 800 was fine. |
| 04:00.23 | mysc | and the 900 won't come out for a while since the wimax is not even out yet, right? |
| 04:00.31 | KotCzarny | who knows.. |
| 04:00.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:00.43 | l7__ | maybe next xmas |
| 04:01.01 | l7__ | but i suppose i would buy an eee pc if i had $400 to blow |
| 04:01.10 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 04:01.21 | KotCzarny | screen is tiny on eeepc |
| 04:01.38 | beford | the resolution is tiny |
| 04:01.44 | KotCzarny | i would like samsung q1 more |
| 04:01.52 | KotCzarny | but it's too big |
| 04:01.53 | mysc | resolution is the same |
| 04:02.13 | beford | although I read somewhere that 9" version has a bigger resolution |
| 04:02.19 | KotCzarny | beford: 7" and even 9" is too small |
| 04:02.40 | l7__ | q1 is also quite expensive |
| 04:02.48 | KotCzarny | plus device is too big |
| 04:02.54 | KotCzarny | much more bigger than screen |
| 04:02.58 | l7__ | the screen is big compared the n800 |
| 04:03.12 | mysc | i am glad eeepc exists, it's helping drive down the prices on the other umpc makers...we need cheap ssd ultra mobile lappies out there |
| 04:03.16 | KotCzarny | so i stay with n800 for portability and ibm x32 for anything else |
| 04:03.41 | l7__ | what do you use your n800 for? |
| 04:03.48 | KotCzarny | mysc: 2xCF to ide adapter: 30$, 2x8gb sd card ~120$ |
| 04:03.59 | l7__ | i haven't found a good use for mine aside from streaming internet radio and reading IRC |
| 04:04.00 | KotCzarny | and you have ssd ;) |
| 04:04.29 | mysc | i really wish sling media would target maemo for their player or open-source it... |
| 04:04.30 | KotCzarny | l7: ebook/comic reader |
| 04:04.47 | KotCzarny | and fun while sitting on toilet |
| 04:04.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:04.51 | KotCzarny | or on the bus |
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| 04:06.04 | beford | i was sshing to my box from the toilet yesterday xD |
| 04:06.40 | mysc | you've not lived until you irc from the crapper :> |
| 04:06.50 | doc|home | man, those openssh people have ported to fucking everything.... |
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| 04:07.10 | beford | screen + irssi = <3 |
| 04:07.20 | KotCzarny | is an epic user |
| 04:07.30 | mysc | has someone ported ircii or epic? |
| 04:07.32 | Johnny5 | What doc...you have a problem with being able to ssh into your toaster? |
| 04:07.36 | KotCzarny | mysc: yes |
| 04:07.52 | mysc | Kot, nice, i couldn't find it...do you have a link? |
| 04:07.56 | KotCzarny | mysc: i think it's a simple compile |
| 04:08.07 | l7_ | you mean irssi? |
| 04:08.18 | mysc | no, ircii, the original :) |
| 04:08.21 | KotCzarny | ircii is a mother of all text irc clients |
| 04:08.21 | doc|home | Johnny5: not at all |
| 04:08.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:08.33 | doc|home | Johnny5: once I'm done installing apache on my kettle of course |
| 04:08.33 | l7_ | oh :) |
| 04:08.37 | mysc | Kot, link please. |
| 04:08.44 | KotCzarny | mysc, don't have one |
| 04:08.51 | KotCzarny | mysc, just compile it from source :) |
| 04:08.57 | KotCzarny | or look on debian.org :> |
| 04:09.41 | KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/epic4/download |
| 04:09.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:10.07 | KotCzarny | though this one depends on openssl 0.9.8 |
| 04:10.51 | KotCzarny | i can try and compile you one though |
| 04:10.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:14.07 | mysc | i am getting ircii which doesn't need openssl |
| 04:15.48 | beford | you won't be able to connect to ssl servers :P |
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| 04:21.19 | mysc | Kot are you suggesting i run the .deb on maemo? |
| 04:21.25 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 04:21.32 | KotCzarny | you don't run deb |
| 04:21.35 | KotCzarny | dpkg -i |
| 04:21.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:22.37 | mysc | i didn't think you could willy-nilly install debian packages from the SID area to maemo |
| 04:22.53 | KotCzarny | as long it's armel and all deps are there |
| 04:22.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:26.25 | KotCzarny | if you want epic with openssl 0.9.7: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/epic4_2.6-1.1_armel.deb |
| 04:27.03 | mysc | ah, thanks Kot. |
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| 04:27.23 | KotCzarny | let me know if you try it and it works |
| 04:27.33 | l7__ | ooh, the n810 wimax edition is coming next month |
| 04:27.56 | l7__ | maybe a price drop on the base model will accompany it :) |
| 04:28.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:28.59 | l7__ | but maybe i would just want wimax... |
| 04:29.36 | mysc | that's a weird url, you have it redirecting to a lan address |
| 04:29.49 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 04:29.51 | KotCzarny | add a / |
| 04:30.01 | KotCzarny | thx for info though |
| 04:31.04 | mysc | does that aterm work? |
| 04:31.12 | KotCzarny | yes, but is not hildonized |
| 04:31.32 | KotCzarny | ie. won't work with default on screen keyboard |
| 04:31.33 | mysc | so no menus |
| 04:31.37 | mysc | no kb |
| 04:31.43 | KotCzarny | but will work with xvkbd for example |
| 04:31.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:31.50 | KotCzarny | and of course hardware kb |
| 04:33.38 | mysc | gotcha |
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| 04:42.37 | skibur | how can I partition an SD card? |
| 04:42.48 | KotCzarny | and how you partition a hdd ? |
| 04:43.07 | skibur | is the same thing? |
| 04:43.16 | KotCzarny | from the os point of view |
| 04:43.20 | skibur | having trouble |
| 04:43.20 | KotCzarny | it's a block device |
| 04:43.37 | KotCzarny | what kind of trouble? |
| 04:43.44 | KotCzarny | and what are you doing |
| 04:43.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:46.27 | skibur | microSD card fat16 and ext3 for my phone and n800 |
| 04:46.47 | KotCzarny | and? |
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| 04:48.18 | skibur | using cfdisk /dev/sda1, but I don't know how to format ext3 and fat16 via CL. |
| 04:48.26 | KotCzarny | mkdosfs |
| 04:48.33 | KotCzarny | mke2fs |
| 04:48.52 | KotCzarny | for ext3 add -j |
| 04:48.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:53.34 | skibur | hum... mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 looks like its working, but when I remount my microsd, it still shows that its at fat16 partition. |
| 04:54.00 | KotCzarny | what shows |
| 04:54.13 | skibur | sfdisk -l |
| 04:54.19 | KotCzarny | and are you sure you are formatting proper card? |
| 04:54.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:54.35 | KotCzarny | also |
| 04:54.50 | KotCzarny | partition type is NOT used when determining partition type |
| 04:55.00 | KotCzarny | treat it more like a suggestion for user |
| 04:55.06 | KotCzarny | windows/linux ignores it |
| 05:00.19 | beford | you could try to use gparted |
| 05:00.25 | beford | # gparted /dev/sda1 |
| 05:04.24 | skibur | so the simplest way to format an SD card to ext3 is mke2fs -j dev/sda1? |
| 05:04.34 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 05:05.11 | KotCzarny | it doesn't touch partition table |
| 05:05.17 | KotCzarny | but it will mount as ext3 |
| 05:05.59 | skibur | ok |
| 05:06.12 | skibur | trying to install xfce on an sd card |
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| 05:29.05 | summatusmentis | ok, Nokia is shipping my N810 to my house, possible I'll get it tomorrow, more likely monday |
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| 05:31.55 | *** topic/#maemo is development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 05:32.21 | summatusmentis | KotCzarny: don't make fun of me :) |
| 05:32.24 | summatusmentis | and now, bed |
| 05:32.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:32.34 | KotCzarny | dream about bad mailman |
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| 05:32.46 | KotCzarny | bad, evil mailman |
| 05:32.58 | KotCzarny | which will leave the box at the wrong address |
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| 05:44.50 | mysc | do all n800s have a bit of a dark vertical strip on the right side of the screen? |
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| 05:45.03 | KotCzarny | photo pls |
| 05:45.05 | Navi | hmm? |
| 05:45.26 | mysc | its more like a very slight shadow |
| 05:45.29 | KotCzarny | screen is a little darker on the right side |
| 05:45.30 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 05:45.39 | KotCzarny | fun of led backlight |
| 05:45.57 | KotCzarny | cellphones have it too |
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| 05:50.30 | mysc | i wish johnx would wake up :) |
| 05:50.53 | KotCzarny | why, it's evening in .jp |
| 05:50.58 | nab_ | waves |
| 05:51.04 | nab_ | Good evening all |
| 05:51.05 | nab_ | :-) |
| 05:52.07 | nab_ | What is new..? |
| 05:52.19 | nab_ | still needs to update his N800 to >- v2.6.24 |
| 05:52.21 | nab_ | er, >= |
| 05:52.27 | KotCzarny | ask astorm |
| 05:52.33 | nab_ | nods |
| 05:52.36 | KotCzarny | he got 2.6.26-rc running |
| 05:52.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:52.44 | nab_ | He told me last time to just join linux-omap |
| 05:52.50 | ds3 | even for the 770? |
| 05:52.57 | nab_ | ds3: Not sure |
| 05:53.04 | KotCzarny | he owns m810 i think |
| 05:53.04 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Oh, cool |
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| 05:53.24 | nab_ | KotCzarny: I have been tracking v2.6.23-rc3 for my LIO-Core / iSCSI Target stuff |
| 05:54.00 | KotCzarny | he wanted new sheduler |
| 05:54.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:54.06 | nab_ | But I still want to get the Neo Freerunner (running v2.6.24) and my N800 (also running v2.6.26-rc) to do shared storage with OCFS2 |
| 05:54.34 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Hrrmmmm |
| 05:54.35 | nab_ | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/nab/lio-core-2.6.git;a=summary |
| 05:54.44 | nab_ | Here is the link for the server side iSCSI bits, if anyone is interestd |
| 05:54.45 | nab_ | :-) |
| 05:55.20 | nab_ | But anyways |
| 05:55.43 | KotCzarny | only scsi like device i own is a usb hdd |
| 05:55.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:55.43 | nab_ | searching the linux-omap archives |
| 05:55.52 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Its all SCSI CDBs underneath |
| 05:56.00 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 05:56.02 | nab_ | USB uses SCSI Request Blocks for bluk I/O |
| 05:56.18 | nab_ | Same for Multi Media Commands (MMC) that you use with Optical drives |
| 05:56.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:56.42 | nab_ | So if you could imagine, virtually all storage devices speak SCSI command blocks more or less |
| 05:56.50 | KotCzarny | yeah, more or less |
| 05:56.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:57.41 | nab_ | sorry, phone |
| 05:57.47 | nab_ | With the exception of SATA |
| 05:58.07 | ds3 | SATA speaks SCSI as the software stuff |
| 05:58.19 | nab_ | Which SAS actually builds upon (using a SCSI Tunneling Protocol) over the serial PHY using the SATA state machines for accessing the bus, PHY, etc. |
| 05:58.25 | nab_ | ds3: In Linux, yes |
| 05:58.30 | nab_ | Via lib-ata |
| 05:58.43 | ds3 | does anything else matter? :) |
| 05:58.55 | nab_ | All of the SCSI specific things in the control path (eg: non data related) are emulated so it looks like a real SCSI device. |
| 05:59.09 | nab_ | With the exception of the more arcane SCSI task management stuff is not emulated |
| 05:59.25 | nab_ | But half of the real SCSI vendors do not implement or get it wrong anyways |
| 05:59.34 | nab_ | ds3: :-) |
| 05:59.50 | nab_ | In any event, iSCSI can encapuslate all of them |
| 06:00.14 | nab_ | Espically when you are running on a OS that makes all of the Direct-Access storage devices appear under their SCSI subsystem |
| 06:00.21 | nab_ | notes that SCSI is OT for maemo |
| 06:00.39 | KotCzarny | tcp over scsi |
| 06:00.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:00.54 | nab_ | So, how about we get back to v2.6.26-rc on our maemo devices |
| 06:01.04 | nab_ | KotCzarny: It used to be called SCSI over IP (SoIP) |
| 06:01.16 | nab_ | Before the IETF folks in the IPS TWG produced RFC-3720 |
| 06:01.16 | KotCzarny | nab: astorm is an expert, should be here soon assuming it's morning in eu |
| 06:01.22 | nab_ | And got the name, ISCSI, etc. |
| 06:01.30 | nab_ | nods |
| 06:01.31 | KotCzarny | no no, not scsi over ip |
| 06:01.35 | KotCzarny | tcp over scsi |
| 06:01.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:01.54 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Over a Parallel SCSI bus..? |
| 06:01.55 | nab_ | Yikes |
| 06:02.26 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Yeah, I am just too busy/lazy atm to build v2.6.26-rc myself in scratchbox |
| 06:02.30 | KotCzarny | i wonder what would be the use of such technology |
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| 06:02.40 | nab_ | Hopefully Astorm is nice enough to give me some kernel images so I can flash myself. :-) |
| 06:02.57 | KotCzarny | kernel and modules |
| 06:02.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:03.03 | KotCzarny | and maybe initfs |
| 06:03.04 | nab_ | But since am building an out of tree kernel module (for the iSCSI initiator), I should just shutup and do it |
| 06:03.04 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:03.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:03.30 | nab_ | Actually, all I need is >= v2.6.24 for my iSCSI/OCFS2 stuff |
| 06:03.41 | nab_ | I was hoping that Nokia would drop an OS 2008 upgrade |
| 06:03.48 | ds3 | think there was an implementation of IPoSCSI |
| 06:03.57 | nab_ | But I suppose they are going to stay @ 2.6.21 until OS 2009 |
| 06:03.57 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:04.16 | nab_ | ds3: I am heard of IPoUSB |
| 06:04.32 | KotCzarny | nab: bad luck, diablo still uses .21 |
| 06:04.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:04.34 | nab_ | And of course things like IPoIB, for moving IP packets over shared memory interconnects and the like |
| 06:04.41 | KotCzarny | wait for elephante |
| 06:04.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:04.50 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Is that the release after chinnook..? |
| 06:04.53 | KotCzarny | or just ask astorm/hack yourself |
| 06:04.56 | KotCzarny | nab: yes |
| 06:04.59 | ds3 | it is just a bit more complex then the PLIP stuff |
| 06:05.01 | nab_ | Ok, thanks for the info |
| 06:05.06 | KotCzarny | chinook->diablo->elephante |
| 06:05.19 | nab_ | Speaking of which |
| 06:05.27 | nab_ | Is there an release date on the WiMax N810 yet..? |
| 06:05.44 | nab_ | I am trying to figure out how I can get free WiMax here in the Bay Area for LIo testing purposes |
| 06:05.50 | nab_ | Mobile WiMax that is |
| 06:06.05 | nab_ | And I have not gotten a ping back from Quim yet. :-) |
| 06:06.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:06.21 | nab_ | Anyways, I thought I heard July somewhere |
| 06:06.23 | KotCzarny | assuming it's compatible with your wimax |
| 06:06.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:06.26 | nab_ | Any insight..? |
| 06:06.33 | nab_ | KotCzarny: <nod> |
| 06:06.54 | nab_ | I know that Towerstream has been doing fixed WiMax for some time |
| 06:07.25 | nab_ | And since (from what I can tell from google) Mobile-Wimax is backwards compat (for better or worse) with the fixed variety |
| 06:07.46 | nab_ | Minus the awful latencies, non line of sight issues, etc. |
| 06:07.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:08.15 | nab_ | So July for a launch of the device..? |
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| 06:08.36 | nab_ | And say fall for some other major markets with Xohm here in the US |
| 06:08.42 | nab_ | + the soft launch cities |
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| 06:08.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:08.59 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 06:09.07 | nab_ | has considered sending a WiMax edition to friends in one of those soft-launch citites |
| 06:09.29 | nab_ | Considering we can do Xohm by the day/week/month supposedly |
| 06:09.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:09.53 | acydlord | is in a city that gets xohm in august |
| 06:09.56 | nab_ | Quite a novel concept huh..? |
| 06:09.59 | nab_ | Phone, brb |
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| 06:10.21 | KotCzarny | is probably too (nyc) |
| 06:10.27 | thabor | maemo |
| 06:10.45 | KotCzarny | i would be interested in xohm only if it was in 5-20$ range |
| 06:10.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:11.21 | thabor | maemo |
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| 06:19.35 | mysc | i heard mid-July |
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| 06:21.01 | thabor | why |
| 06:21.15 | acydlord | i'm paying $40 for unlimited evdo, i'd pick up xohm if they offer some discount plan where i get xohm on top of my evdo |
| 06:21.36 | thabor | why |
| 06:21.52 | acydlord | why what? |
| 06:22.00 | KotCzarny | ignore the bot |
| 06:22.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:22.09 | thabor | I am not a bot, you fool |
| 06:22.14 | acydlord | ahh |
| 06:22.25 | KotCzarny | bot |
| 06:22.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:24.00 | acydlord | i wonder if i can get my blog readers to donate money for a wii fit since im fat |
| 06:24.22 | KotCzarny | you just have to find a proper audience |
| 06:24.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:24.32 | mysc | do you all have gcc on your maemos? |
| 06:24.40 | KotCzarny | has |
| 06:24.52 | acydlord | i got someone to donate $50 towards my n810 lol |
| 06:25.07 | KotCzarny | acydlord: o.O |
| 06:25.07 | acydlord | so some poor sap paid for 1/3 of my n810 :) |
| 06:25.17 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 06:25.21 | KotCzarny | n810 for 150$ ? |
| 06:25.29 | acydlord | yeah, developers program |
| 06:25.34 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 06:25.39 | KotCzarny | what have you developed? |
| 06:25.47 | acydlord | nothing yet |
| 06:25.58 | KotCzarny | d'oh |
| 06:26.04 | acydlord | was working on some geodata apps using plazes and the yahoo maps api |
| 06:26.24 | thabor | maemo |
| 06:26.24 | KotCzarny | join the maemo-mapper gang |
| 06:26.29 | KotCzarny | that would be useful |
| 06:26.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:26.33 | acydlord | put that on hold while i add some more api's like fireeagle and brightkite |
| 06:26.42 | KotCzarny | or just write poi.db generator |
| 06:26.45 | thabor | mamo |
| 06:26.47 | thabor | maemo |
| 06:27.14 | acydlord | it outputs to gpx files right now |
| 06:27.24 | acydlord | so they can be imported to maemo mapper |
| 06:27.38 | acydlord | and i was going to make a twitter cient, but there isnt much need for one |
| 06:27.52 | thabor | poor acydlord |
| 06:27.56 | KotCzarny | no twits with nokias |
| 06:27.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:28.07 | nab_ | <KotCzarny> n810 for 150$ ? |
| 06:28.10 | nab_ | Wow |
| 06:28.12 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:28.27 | KotCzarny | i wanna join dev program too |
| 06:28.27 | nab_ | holds out for the sample hardware |
| 06:28.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:28.30 | acydlord | twitter is my main microblogging service right now |
| 06:28.37 | KotCzarny | any idea how and where and who? |
| 06:28.51 | thabor | why |
| 06:28.52 | nab_ | KotCzarny: I think I would ask Quim |
| 06:29.09 | acydlord | internettablettalk and maemo.org usually post notices and instructions when the dev program is running |
| 06:29.14 | KotCzarny | nab: what is required/suggested ? |
| 06:29.16 | nab_ | As he is the numero uno OSS folk at Nokia |
| 06:29.20 | thabor | why |
| 06:29.32 | nab_ | KotCzarny: For what..? |
| 06:29.42 | thabor | why |
| 06:29.44 | KotCzarny | nab: for being considered a dev |
| 06:29.51 | nab_ | Ummmm |
| 06:29.56 | acydlord | i'm wondering if they are going to do one for the wimax version or wait till a completely new revision |
| 06:30.07 | nab_ | That you maintain or are a developer for a project that runs on Maemo |
| 06:30.09 | nab_ | I would imagine |
| 06:30.10 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:30.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:30.15 | KotCzarny | i'm a dev |
| 06:30.19 | KotCzarny | and i did some hacks |
| 06:30.22 | thabor | why |
| 06:30.25 | acydlord | you pretty much sell them your ideas, write documentation, maintain a project |
| 06:30.29 | KotCzarny | do you think it's enough? |
| 06:30.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:30.40 | KotCzarny | i hate writing docs though |
| 06:30.41 | nab_ | KotCzarny: I am not the one handing out the samples |
| 06:30.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:30.43 | thabor | why |
| 06:31.09 | nab_ | And I am sure the WiMax Edition samples are pretty few and far between ATM |
| 06:31.23 | nab_ | Espically outside of Nokia |
| 06:31.34 | acydlord | yeah |
| 06:31.38 | nab_ | notes he is purely speculating |
| 06:31.46 | nab_ | And would love to be proven wrong |
| 06:31.55 | acydlord | i wonder if thoughtfix will get one as phoenix is one of the first areas to get it |
| 06:32.00 | thabor | why |
| 06:32.16 | KotCzarny | i would like a sample of n900 |
| 06:32.17 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:32.22 | nab_ | acydlord: Phoenix is on the list of cities for Xohm..? |
| 06:32.35 | thabor | why |
| 06:32.36 | acydlord | yup |
| 06:32.38 | nab_ | Cool |
| 06:32.38 | thabor | why |
| 06:32.50 | nab_ | checks xohmusers.com |
| 06:32.51 | acydlord | august is when we are supposed to get it |
| 06:33.03 | nab_ | xohmuser.com even |
| 06:33.03 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:33.08 | nab_ | acydlord: Oh wow |
| 06:33.11 | nab_ | Very cool |
| 06:33.12 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:33.39 | nab_ | I find it hard to believe that SF or SV in the Bay Area CA will not get Mobile Wimax (one way or another) before the close of 2008 |
| 06:33.40 | acydlord | i've already gotten 2 mailers from sprint about it |
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| 06:33.52 | nab_ | Considering Intel and Google and pumping cash into it |
| 06:34.09 | thabor | why |
| 06:34.21 | acydlord | yeah, probably something with the city government shelling out for the free wifi project |
| 06:34.28 | thabor | why |
| 06:34.36 | acydlord | i'm sure there is some politicing to get it changed to wimax |
| 06:34.40 | rm_you | why not? |
| 06:34.53 | rm_you | wait, what are we talking about? |
| 06:34.55 | nab_ | acydlord: Its call $$$ for specturm |
| 06:34.56 | KotCzarny | Sure, the Xohm network has hit some snags recently. Sprint announced it would be delayed until later in 2008 |
| 06:34.57 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 06:35.00 | nab_ | spectrum too! |
| 06:35.01 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:35.18 | KotCzarny | news from the end of april |
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| 06:35.31 | acydlord | i should buy a wimax AP |
| 06:35.35 | nab_ | ACtually |
| 06:35.48 | nab_ | I was reading that .au is getting some serious 3g stuff for the iPhone soon |
| 06:35.55 | nab_ | Something like 40 Mbit/sec links |
| 06:36.08 | nab_ | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/23/unconfirmed-iphone-rumour |
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| 06:36.17 | acydlord | dont they pay like 4 children and a cow per kb of data tansfered in the .au though? |
| 06:36.29 | nab_ | Of course, I don't plan to buy anything other than Linux based devices |
| 06:36.39 | nab_ | But, I do like the idea of their network |
| 06:36.49 | nab_ | acydlord: No idea, sorry |
| 06:36.53 | nab_ | :-) |
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| 06:37.00 | nab_ | reflects |
| 06:37.08 | nab_ | But, I do like the idea of their network if they offer flat-rate plans |
| 06:37.22 | acydlord | france is supposed to have some 40mbit wireless on their trains |
| 06:37.35 | nab_ | Hrrmmm |
| 06:37.45 | nab_ | One of the Linux-iSCSI.org devel guys is out of France |
| 06:37.52 | febb | Hi all |
| 06:38.01 | acydlord | ello |
| 06:38.12 | nab_ | And he was telling how the small telco he works for is going to be using Mobile-WiMax stuff for access in parts of Africa |
| 06:38.32 | acydlord | interesting |
| 06:38.37 | nab_ | still wants until he can get a Mobile-WiMax anttenne on Ebay |
| 06:38.41 | nab_ | s/wants/waits |
| 06:38.54 | febb | acydlord: Is that true? France having wireless Internet access on their trains ? TGV? ! |
| 06:38.57 | nab_ | You can get a pretty decent fixed-wimax one for $300 these days |
| 06:39.00 | acydlord | one of the non-profits i'm with just installed a computer classroom in africa |
| 06:39.13 | acydlord | febb, i remember reading something about it awhile back |
| 06:39.20 | febb | I will be going to France in about a month... that would be so cool ! |
| 06:39.53 | febb | I know that in many european places they do offer now AC plugs...for laptops and such. |
| 06:40.10 | acydlord | thats pretty cool |
| 06:40.20 | acydlord | most coffee laces here in the states dont even offer that |
| 06:40.25 | febb | I mean on the trains, that is ! |
| 06:40.37 | nab_ | febb: Vrrrooommmm |
| 06:40.39 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:40.41 | acydlord | oh, nice |
| 06:41.07 | acydlord | i have an adapter that can charge usb devices from the dual pront airplane headset plugs |
| 06:41.14 | acydlord | however it does so slowly |
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| 06:42.27 | febb | I got two batteries..... that seemed the best way for me...(and a wireless BT keyboard)... and a BT cell phone (in case of an emergency to connect). |
| 06:42.49 | acydlord | i've just got the one battery, and the bt cell |
| 06:44.02 | KotCzarny | 4xAA external battery ftw! |
| 06:44.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:45.55 | febb | has any of you installed the software and kernel stuff to turn the screen vertical on the N8x0 ? |
| 06:45.56 | oilinki | what is the common verdict - is the wimax going to be a big hit or just another step to LTE? |
| 06:46.06 | KotCzarny | who knows |
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| 06:46.18 | acydlord | i installed it the other day |
| 06:46.31 | KotCzarny | febb: yes |
| 06:46.33 | KotCzarny | it's nice |
| 06:46.39 | febb | I don't think WiMax will catch soon...there are many many different interests..... |
| 06:46.40 | KotCzarny | and works flawlessly |
| 06:46.45 | acydlord | although it borks the desktop background lol |
| 06:46.53 | KotCzarny | assuming app doesn't hardcode 800x480 screen size |
| 06:47.03 | KotCzarny | acydlord: use 160x160 background |
| 06:47.11 | febb | Kat: what you had to do to install the whole thing? (I had seen many differente versions of the procedure and the soft)... |
| 06:47.12 | KotCzarny | or just reset it |
| 06:47.16 | acydlord | good point KotCzarny |
| 06:47.23 | KotCzarny | febb: sse2.net/rotate |
| 06:47.34 | febb | going there :) |
| 06:47.42 | acydlord | the autorotate installer on internettablettalk was simple |
| 06:48.04 | KotCzarny | what's auto in autorotate installer ? |
| 06:48.10 | nab_ | oilinki: Remember, there are two types of WiMax |
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| 06:48.16 | nab_ | Fixed (v1) and Mobile (v2) |
| 06:48.26 | acydlord | it automatically goes landscape when you open the slide |
| 06:48.30 | nab_ | Fixed is primarly used by buisness folks these days from ISPs like Towerstream |
| 06:48.32 | KotCzarny | nab: and: closed and open |
| 06:48.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:48.40 | febb | acylord: yeah, the autorotate is one of those "versions" of doing it I was talking about... |
| 06:48.52 | KotCzarny | acydlord: i have a n800 :) |
| 06:48.53 | nab_ | And you can even buy your own fixed wimax transmitters, etc |
| 06:49.19 | febb | yeah, several WiMax "standards" that is why I don't think it will catch well.... |
| 06:49.22 | KotCzarny | nab: someone mentioned yesterday what n800wimax wouldn't do open wimax |
| 06:49.24 | nab_ | oilinki: Those with Mobile Wimax interests are saying 2010 for Mobile-Wimax to be everwhere |
| 06:49.34 | nab_ | febb: Not several, two |
| 06:49.39 | febb | I guess cell phone technology will evolve instead.... to provide data and connectivity. |
| 06:49.42 | nab_ | And everyone is moving towards the latter |
| 06:49.59 | nab_ | Typically the same type of adoption curve happens with any tech |
| 06:50.08 | nab_ | If the solution the problem solves is painful enough |
| 06:50.22 | nab_ | has seen it happen in the storage industry a few times |
| 06:50.31 | febb | nab: two is several in my point of view....more than "one" standard make thing a mess... Here we I live there are even additional variations of those 2 standards. |
| 06:50.41 | nab_ | febb: Its not more than one standard |
| 06:50.43 | nab_ | Its v1 and v2 |
| 06:50.45 | acydlord | just a few years ago we had both 802.11i and 802.11n fighting for acceptance |
| 06:50.49 | nab_ | v2 is backwards compat with v1 |
| 06:50.56 | Stskeeps | Johnny5: i bought boxwave recent and i absolutely love the screen protectors :P |
| 06:50.57 | nab_ | And v1 has latency, range limitiations |
| 06:51.33 | nab_ | v2 is supposed to be 10 miles line of sight and an average of 12-14 Mbit I believe is the current Xohm executive officer quote |
| 06:51.59 | nab_ | And that is claimed to be worst case on bandwith |
| 06:52.06 | KotCzarny | how do they reach 10miles? signal strength or device sensitivity? |
| 06:52.14 | nab_ | has not idea |
| 06:52.19 | nab_ | NO idea. :-) |
| 06:52.28 | nab_ | Better ask a packet radio ASIC engineer |
| 06:52.29 | acydlord | cooking birds in midair with microwaves |
| 06:52.31 | KotCzarny | can i has a idea? |
| 06:52.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:52.54 | acydlord | dunno, but there are a ton of places out here hiring for rf engineers and tower crew |
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| 06:55.03 | nab_ | v2 is also supposed to average 50 ms RTT ping times |
| 06:55.08 | nab_ | While I believe v1 is over 100 ms |
| 06:55.11 | acydlord | one think i love anout the NITs is that they help my OSS evangelism efforts |
| 06:56.41 | KotCzarny | until you hit 'well, there are some binary blobs..' |
| 06:56.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:56.55 | nab_ | shudders |
| 06:57.14 | acydlord | for the typical technofiend it works well |
| 06:57.25 | acydlord | they are all oooh and ahh, and then they get interested |
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| 06:58.16 | nab_ | notes the overhead of maintaing a binary blob is significantly more than not |
| 06:59.00 | nab_ | But in the embedded world, its a slightly different ballgame |
| 06:59.04 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:59.05 | acydlord | indeed |
| 06:59.23 | nab_ | Still more work looking at purely engineering resources of course |
| 06:59.39 | nab_ | But of course, as with everything, it depends on context |
| 06:59.46 | nab_ | :-) |
| 06:59.51 | nab_ | is just preaching to the choir |
| 07:00.11 | acydlord | still beats having to wait for tips on BBS |
| 07:00.16 | nab_ | Heh |
| 07:00.21 | nab_ | acydlord: What kind of BBS..? |
| 07:00.33 | nab_ | would script in PCBoard anyway |
| 07:00.38 | nab_ | s/anyway/anyday |
| 07:00.39 | nab_ | hehehe |
| 07:00.43 | acydlord | lol |
| 07:00.57 | nab_ | Was not PCboard big in .eu..? |
| 07:01.08 | acydlord | dunno |
| 07:01.25 | nab_ | I always thought I saw a ton of the best PCB plugins coming from there. |
| 07:01.35 | acydlord | i couldnt afford to dial that far =x |
| 07:01.37 | nab_ | used to have alot of LD callers |
| 07:01.38 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:01.40 | nab_ | Heh |
| 07:01.42 | nab_ | Welllll |
| 07:02.03 | nab_ | That was back in the day in europe when boxing was not exactly difficult or legally enforced |
| 07:02.05 | nab_ | Sooooooooo |
| 07:02.06 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:02.19 | acydlord | lol |
| 07:02.23 | nab_ | heheh |
| 07:02.25 | nab_ | Vrroommmmmm |
| 07:02.50 | acydlord | and here the telcos were so greedy they changed their entire system instead of losing the minimal amount they would lose from boxing |
| 07:02.56 | nab_ | Back when the world was seperated by area code. |
| 07:03.01 | nab_ | (For the most part) |
| 07:03.06 | acydlord | yeah |
| 07:03.16 | acydlord | i remember a time when arizona had one area code lol |
| 07:03.27 | nab_ | acydlord: What was that one again..? |
| 07:03.33 | mysc | hrmm, my bt keyboard idle timeouts :| |
| 07:03.43 | acydlord | the old area code? |
| 07:03.46 | nab_ | I remember calling some Renegard BBSes in Arizona/New Mexico back in the early 90s |
| 07:03.48 | nab_ | Yeah |
| 07:03.52 | acydlord | 602 |
| 07:03.58 | nab_ | looks at bbsmates.com |
| 07:03.59 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:04.04 | nab_ | Hrrrmmmm |
| 07:04.08 | nab_ | Sounds very fimilar |
| 07:04.35 | nab_ | I think I downloaded Desqview/X from the 602 |
| 07:04.36 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:04.42 | nab_ | (Before I found OS/2 with tshell) |
| 07:05.08 | nab_ | But anyways |
| 07:05.14 | nab_ | Lots of history |
| 07:05.14 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:05.37 | acydlord | one of my friends was over and found my c64 actually hooked up under my desk |
| 07:05.50 | acydlord | it's like someone finding your porn collection |
| 07:05.55 | nab_ | Heh |
| 07:05.56 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:06.09 | nab_ | got into computing @ protected mode 386 dx 40 |
| 07:06.19 | acydlord | lol |
| 07:06.23 | nab_ | Not a bad time. :P |
| 07:06.29 | acydlord | indeed |
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| 07:06.42 | acydlord | i have a lovely 286 in storage |
| 07:06.43 | nab_ | You gotta watch out for the 486 sx 25s though |
| 07:06.45 | nab_ | No good! |
| 07:06.46 | nab_ | :P |
| 07:07.06 | acydlord | i have a 486 dx 33 in a box somewhere |
| 07:07.11 | nab_ | Oh man, 286 w/ 4 MB ram was rough |
| 07:07.20 | nab_ | Espically with anything other than OS/2 |
| 07:07.22 | KotCzarny | has decpc 425sx |
| 07:07.22 | acydlord | i havent checked the ram on this one |
| 07:07.24 | KotCzarny | laptop |
| 07:07.26 | acydlord | it's from 78 |
| 07:07.28 | nab_ | (For multinode BBS ops) |
| 07:07.29 | KotCzarny | running 2.6.something |
| 07:07.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:07.49 | nab_ | KotCzarny: Heh, awesome. :-) |
| 07:07.54 | KotCzarny | yeah.. got it free |
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| 07:08.06 | acydlord | a few museams have tried to get aholf of my 286 cause it was built under US govt contract |
| 07:08.22 | nab_ | acydlord: Hrrmmm |
| 07:08.35 | nab_ | looks at a DEC Alpha protocol not too far away from his desk |
| 07:08.38 | nab_ | er |
| 07:08.43 | nab_ | s/protocol/prototype |
| 07:08.48 | nab_ | (from Ebay :-) |
| 07:08.54 | acydlord | woot |
| 07:08.57 | nab_ | Actually, I think the Parallel SCSI card is going bad |
| 07:09.12 | nab_ | But the DP-264 Alpha is still rocking fine. :-) |
| 07:09.18 | acydlord | i still need to contact phoenix about the bios on the 286, it may be a first gen |
| 07:09.36 | nab_ | Speaking of the Alpha folks |
| 07:09.38 | acydlord | which would be uber sweet |
| 07:09.43 | nab_ | I wonder how PA-Semi is doing at Apple these days |
| 07:10.06 | nab_ | They PPC64 architecture with Level 2 Cache on a shared interconnect is pretty fucking novel |
| 07:10.17 | nab_ | Seriously low TDP for its class |
| 07:10.43 | nab_ | met with a few of these folks back in the startup days |
| 07:10.50 | acydlord | nice |
| 07:11.04 | nab_ | Well, I have yet to receive sample hardware.. |
| 07:11.06 | nab_ | So, not that nice |
| 07:11.07 | nab_ | :) |
| 07:11.21 | acydlord | i lost all respect for apple when they switched to intel for their comsumer machines |
| 07:11.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 07:11.26 | nab_ | They where doing some traditional iSCSI (RFC-3720) CRC32C checksum offland |
| 07:11.26 | KotCzarny | breakfast time, brb |
| 07:11.28 | nab_ | offload |
| 07:11.43 | nab_ | And probably some TCP offload stuff as well, this was back in 2006 mind you |
| 07:11.46 | nab_ | But anyways |
| 07:11.56 | nab_ | steers the conversation back to Maemo |
| 07:12.12 | nab_ | acydlord: I don't know |
| 07:12.18 | acydlord | ppc > qemu > maemo |
| 07:12.21 | nab_ | Intel had a much better mobile roadmap than IBM did |
| 07:12.22 | acydlord | there, back on track |
| 07:12.33 | acydlord | true |
| 07:12.37 | nab_ | The Core2Duo marchitecture is pretty strong |
| 07:12.42 | acydlord | i miss the motorolla ppc |
| 07:12.52 | nab_ | All of the serious pre-execute instrution optimizations for x86 ops |
| 07:13.14 | nab_ | And they finally got rid of the "faster clock is better" design (see: Netburst) |
| 07:13.17 | acydlord | man, what ever happened to risc procs |
| 07:13.27 | nab_ | acydlord: Well, ARM is pretty RISCy |
| 07:13.39 | acydlord | true |
| 07:13.40 | nab_ | And there are MIPS in all of the PSPs |
| 07:13.51 | KotCzarny | and in wrt54gs |
| 07:13.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:13.59 | nab_ | KotCzarny: :-) |
| 07:14.15 | nab_ | And of course IBM won the console war with PPC64/CBA |
| 07:14.30 | nab_ | Because regardless of what happened with Nintendo/Sony/MSFT, they where getting paid |
| 07:14.33 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:15.08 | nab_ | notes IBM stock is trading at 124.20 |
| 07:15.18 | nab_ | I should have bought at $92!!! |
| 07:15.19 | nab_ | ARGH |
| 07:15.33 | KotCzarny | it's just because of $$ inflation |
| 07:15.36 | KotCzarny | don't worry |
| 07:15.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:15.42 | nab_ | At least IBM and folks like Nokia are being rewarded for going the OSS route |
| 07:15.54 | acydlord | lol, i should have traded my sony stocks for yahoo before they skyrocketed |
| 07:16.01 | nab_ | IBM basically did the biggest about face anyone could, and pushed Linux/OSS back in 2000/2001 |
| 07:16.10 | acydlord | yeah |
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| 07:16.22 | nab_ | remembers the IBM speaches from LWCE 2001 |
| 07:16.30 | acydlord | i pooped a brick when ibm said they were selling off their hardware division |
| 07:16.31 | nab_ | speeches |
| 07:16.55 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 07:17.03 | nab_ | acydlord: The best is when the two different IBM groups ported Linux v2.2 to the S/390 |
| 07:17.06 | KotCzarny | at least they should have kept thinkpads :/ |
| 07:17.17 | nab_ | The IBM execs said it was the first time that mainframe sales increased in 20 years! |
| 07:17.20 | nab_ | hehehe |
| 07:17.28 | acydlord | i like the lenovo ideabooks =x |
| 07:17.34 | KotCzarny | though i bet thinkpads were the main reason of the deal |
| 07:17.34 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:17.53 | acydlord | im waiting for people buying macs to get lead poisoning |
| 07:18.32 | nab_ | waits for SSDs |
| 07:18.49 | KotCzarny | waits for microwave heating the meal |
| 07:18.58 | acydlord | SSDs will be nice |
| 07:18.59 | nab_ | With Intel providing SSDs to notebook vendors now, there is not much aside from adding the case. |
| 07:19.11 | acydlord | but im sure amd based laptops wont have any better battery life lol |
| 07:19.13 | nab_ | acydlord: That was actually a big topic of discussion at LFS '08 |
| 07:19.32 | nab_ | eg: How do we scale Linux to handle single drive 50,000 IOP performance |
| 07:19.34 | KotCzarny | well, you can have ghetto ssd already |
| 07:19.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:19.48 | nab_ | The numbers I heard from Intel people was 1/5 the power, and 10000x the performance |
| 07:20.14 | nab_ | Going from traditional electromagnetic spindles to flash memory |
| 07:20.38 | acydlord | but you cant make a clock out of an SSD after the platters crash |
| 07:20.45 | nab_ | One of the limiting bits with Linux was the single threaded bdflush kernel thread |
| 07:21.03 | nab_ | The presenter who ran into the problem had 8 GB/sec raw storage array bandwith |
| 07:21.07 | nab_ | Grrroooommmmm |
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| 07:21.10 | nab_ | er |
| 07:21.12 | nab_ | Vrrrooommmmmmmmmmm |
| 07:21.13 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:21.42 | nab_ | acydlord: There is all sorts of vendor unique magic that goes on in the firmware for those things |
| 07:22.07 | nab_ | Samsung had a senior-engineer there discuss the 10,000 FT overview of their design |
| 07:22.21 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetrack_memory |
| 07:22.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:22.57 | acydlord | i have a 160gb samsung pcie flash card in one of my testbeds |
| 07:23.02 | nab_ | Espicall wrt WRITE performance going across the different flash memory cells that requires read-modify-write for each block touched |
| 07:23.31 | nab_ | (Which modern FS metadata layouts helped alot for getting proper aligned block writes to flash memory cells |
| 07:23.37 | nab_ | s/Which/With |
| 07:23.56 | nab_ | eg: Don't expect vfat to go 50,000 IOPs/sec |
| 07:23.59 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:24.25 | nab_ | acydlord: Very cool |
| 07:24.26 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:24.46 | nab_ | How many PCIe lanes is it using..? |
| 07:24.48 | acydlord | i've been trying to switch everything out from high specs to power saving |
| 07:25.01 | acydlord | one x16 and one x1 |
| 07:25.21 | nab_ | Cool. :-) |
| 07:26.12 | acydlord | the machine i'm on right now is running on the fated AMD GeodeNX processor |
| 07:26.44 | nab_ | Ah, yes. |
| 07:26.56 | nab_ | I have been meaning to get some of those for one of the LIO projects |
| 07:27.17 | nab_ | We are doing a shrink (in software terms) of LIO-DRBD to 2x 1TB SATA drive embedded Linux boards |
| 07:27.25 | acydlord | nice |
| 07:27.36 | nab_ | And doing Active/Active High Availability with Data Replication with iSCSI on the front end |
| 07:27.54 | nab_ | Currently we are using TS-7800 boards |
| 07:27.59 | nab_ | Using the Marvell 5882 ASIC |
| 07:28.18 | acydlord | scale them down to the wall socket units |
| 07:28.23 | nab_ | Er, 5182 (The one with the integrated SATA, USB, GB/sec ethernet) |
| 07:28.42 | nab_ | There are a bunch of embedded Linux storage device being launched on the 5182 this year |
| 07:28.56 | acydlord | nice |
| 07:29.09 | nab_ | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/TS-7800 |
| 07:29.12 | nab_ | For anyone interested |
| 07:29.12 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:29.20 | nab_ | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html |
| 07:29.29 | nab_ | There is the link for the consumer level devices |
| 07:29.56 | nab_ | The plan is to hookup the Mobile Linux devices (along with everything else that can speak iSCSI) to this type of setup |
| 07:31.06 | nab_ | Espically over Mobile-Wimax. :-) |
| 07:31.11 | acydlord | that would be pretty sweet |
| 07:31.34 | nab_ | acydlord: So, we are looking at end of summer for going into self-hosted production for the above design @ Linux-iSCSI.org |
| 07:31.48 | nab_ | For the server side stuff + VM clients |
| 07:31.53 | nab_ | Running the cluster filesystem setup, etc. |
| 07:32.03 | acydlord | i'll have to check it out |
| 07:32.18 | nab_ | For the Maemo devices, its just a matter of installing the initiator .deb, which is still CLI based |
| 07:32.42 | nab_ | But I hope we can automate (and add a simple GUI) for the client side mobile stuff |
| 07:32.57 | acydlord | that would be a nice setup to replace my local file servers with |
| 07:33.06 | nab_ | But aside from that, the transport has been stable with the maemo devices for a few years now |
| 07:33.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:33.38 | nab_ | And we have tested 900 GB filesystems on the maemo devies using iSCSI/WiFI with R/O ext3 filesystem mounts |
| 07:34.10 | nab_ | Issues with the maemo file manager, etc. |
| 07:34.19 | nab_ | Actually, I still need to post bugs on a few of the items |
| 07:34.25 | nab_ | They are in the wiki for now |
| 07:35.41 | nab_ | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 |
| 07:35.48 | nab_ | (If anyone has not checked it out yet. :-) |
| 07:36.40 | nab_ | Seriously, if anyone needs help getting it setup, please contact me on the LIO-Target devel list |
| 07:36.44 | nab_ | There is a link on the main page |
| 07:37.09 | nab_ | There have been some downloads, but I have not heard anything from another user yet. :-) |
| 07:38.10 | nab_ | So if someone gets bored enough, please ping me |
| 07:38.11 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:39.25 | KotCzarny | ping |
| 07:39.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:39.44 | nab_ | KotCzarny: To get iSCSI/Maemo running on their device |
| 07:39.48 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 07:39.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:39.55 | nab_ | Actually, with LIO-VM its pretty simple |
| 07:40.06 | nab_ | You can plug in any USB device, and it will be exported on boot by the VM |
| 07:40.20 | KotCzarny | you should add wiki page on maemo.org |
| 07:40.21 | nab_ | And then just add the IP to your /etc/sysconfig/initiator and call /etc/init.d/initiator start |
| 07:40.25 | KotCzarny | pointing to the site :) |
| 07:40.33 | KotCzarny | and maybe copy pasting the howto :) |
| 07:40.40 | nab_ | I think that is loooooong over-do. |
| 07:40.41 | nab_ | :-) |
| 07:41.06 | KotCzarny | the more links the merrier |
| 07:41.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:41.11 | nab_ | Indeed |
| 07:41.39 | nab_ | Ok, I need to log off soon, but I will be sure to make the page |
| 07:42.02 | nab_ | https://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Core-iSCSI/Nokia_800 |
| 07:42.08 | nab_ | Is where you can find the current .debs for OS 2008 |
| 07:42.22 | nab_ | Which have been tested on the N800, and should work on N810 |
| 07:42.58 | nab_ | Actually, if anyone has an N810 handy, I would really apperciate if you could test |
| 07:43.23 | KotCzarny | n810 is nearly identical |
| 07:43.24 | nab_ | The N810 uses the same v2.6.21 for OS-2008, yes..? |
| 07:43.27 | nab_ | Ok, cool. |
| 07:43.28 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 07:46.54 | nab_ | Ok folks, nice talking with you |
| 07:46.59 | nab_ | Catch you later. :-) |
| 07:47.22 | KotCzarny | bye bye |
| 07:47.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:16.01 | robink | What's the default CHOST for Maemo? |
| 08:16.11 | robink | armeb-unknown-linux-gnu? |
| 08:16.37 | robink | Wait, it's an armel system |
| 08:16.40 | robink | so arm-unknown-linux-gnu? |
| 08:17.51 | KotCzarny | gnueabi? |
| 08:17.54 | KotCzarny | or eabi? |
| 08:21.26 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Seeing as you are around, any ideas why arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 doesn't work? I get "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'." when running ./configure on any program. My target with 2005 toolchain works fine (and I've made sure that the new target with 2008 has all the right files) |
| 08:28.52 | KotCzarny | qwerty: works for me |
| 08:28.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:29.05 | KotCzarny | i told you to use newest qemu, didn't i? |
| 08:29.09 | qwerty12 | I am ;) |
| 08:29.15 | qwerty12 | SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs |
| 08:29.20 | KotCzarny | state your qemu version |
| 08:29.27 | KotCzarny | use qemu0-arm-cvs-m |
| 08:29.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:29.34 | KotCzarny | qemu-arm-cvs-m |
| 08:29.39 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks!# |
| 08:29.51 | KotCzarny | don't know what's the difference |
| 08:29.53 | KotCzarny | but works for me |
| 08:29.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:30.14 | qwerty12 | I was lookin in config.log, it seems like qemu-arm-cvs craps out on the arm emulation >.< |
| 08:31.08 | KotCzarny | also i assume you have: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/testing/scratchbox-devkit-cputransp_1.0.8~20080428_i386.deb right? |
| 08:31.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:31.29 | qwerty12 | Yep, it works now thanks! |
| 08:31.31 | qwerty12 | Yes :) |
| 08:31.49 | qwerty12 | I have 2005,2007,2008 toolchain now >.< |
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| 08:34.19 | KotCzarny | i have original one and 4.2.3 |
| 08:34.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:35.11 | qwerty12 | I removed my 2007 toolchain so I have 2008 toolchain with gcc 4.2.3 and the old 2005 one with gcc 3.<something> :) |
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| 09:16.14 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 09:16.17 | Cptnodegard | nokia e51 is retarded |
| 09:16.23 | Cptnodegard | when it comes to synching contacts |
| 09:16.37 | Cptnodegard | doesnt understand wtf to do with vcards with multiple contacts |
| 09:16.59 | qwerty12 | knows, I had nightmare transferring contacts from N80 to P1i >.< |
| 09:17.16 | KotCzarny | Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error |
| 09:17.17 | KotCzarny | # 1 Short offline Completed: electrical failure 80% 30040 - |
| 09:17.21 | KotCzarny | this hdd is dying |
| 09:17.24 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 09:17.28 | patoh | Cptnodegard: all nokia phones I have ever tried to sync with have had that issue :( |
| 09:17.57 | qwerty12 | Typical nokia. Crap Contacts on Linux, crap Contacts on S60. |
| 09:18.10 | RST38h | back |
| 09:18.19 | qwerty12 | ello |
| 09:18.30 | Cptnodegard | had to do se k550 -> memory card - > card readeer on pc -> import to outlook -> synch to nokia |
| 09:18.38 | glass | Cptnodegard: for s60 2nd ed there was a prog that wrote all contacts to a single vcard |
| 09:18.57 | qwerty12 | What about for 3rd edition? |
| 09:19.32 | glass | dunno, on 3rd ed i've just used pcsuite to move contacts(and the transfer app for phone->phone) but i'm limited to nokias only in this so.... |
| 09:19.43 | qwerty12 | Ah, ok :) |
| 09:20.18 | glass | pcsuite knows how to transfer contacts between different nokia phones(s40 too afaik) now which is handy |
| 09:20.32 | oilinki | nab: (About wimax, sorry for the late answer). My opinion is that if wimax would be 'free' like wlan is, it would be a killer. but when the operators are controlling frequencies - it will be faded out as it can not compete with LTE |
| 09:20.33 | RST38h | PCSuite <-- should die |
| 09:20.37 | KotCzarny | pc suite is a whale. |
| 09:20.45 | glass | earlier it was sort of crap, if you had the backup on pcsuite youd need the same model phone to get the backup out... |
| 09:20.52 | RST38h | a dead whale |
| 09:21.00 | RST38h | stinky dead whale |
| 09:21.05 | KotCzarny | zombie dead whale |
| 09:21.09 | glass | RST38h: yeah it sucks.. but it does it's job as theres nothing better |
| 09:21.11 | qwerty12 | s/hal/hor |
| 09:21.19 | KotCzarny | nope, there is |
| 09:21.28 | KotCzarny | get a simcard, write all contacts to it |
| 09:21.34 | KotCzarny | move it to the better phone |
| 09:21.36 | glass | needs an app too |
| 09:21.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:21.43 | glass | simcards have limits too |
| 09:21.53 | glass | and thats not what i use pcsuite mainly for |
| 09:21.58 | qwerty12 | simcards doesn't support "extended" fields in contacts and only have about 100 contacts memory. |
| 09:22.01 | glass | i use it mainly for moving files |
| 09:22.03 | glass | while developing |
| 09:22.16 | glass | qwerty12: well some have 255 and some have even more |
| 09:22.34 | qwerty12 | glass, My simcard is old then :( |
| 09:22.47 | KotCzarny | qwerty: 'loose' your simcard |
| 09:22.54 | KotCzarny | go to your service provider |
| 09:22.56 | KotCzarny | pay a little |
| 09:22.56 | glass | qwerty12: buy a copier |
| 09:23.01 | KotCzarny | they will give you new |
| 09:23.08 | glass | not worth it.. |
| 09:23.17 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 09:23.31 | qwerty12 | No point :). My phones contacts are fine. |
| 09:23.34 | KotCzarny | for me it was ~3-4$ |
| 09:23.45 | glass | maybe if you'd really like to have the contacts on the sim.. but moving them to it can be painful(needs that app, s60's don't normally do anything more than import frmo sim) |
| 09:24.24 | KotCzarny | if you break your phone |
| 09:24.28 | glass | and i got a perfectly working solution |
| 09:24.34 | KotCzarny | you will be happy to have contacts on sim |
| 09:24.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:24.48 | glass | if i break it i just return the backup from the pcsuite to some another s60 i got around |
| 09:24.49 | KotCzarny | your perfectly working solution is a whale |
| 09:24.53 | KotCzarny | and needs windoze. |
| 09:25.02 | glass | well my work needs windoze |
| 09:25.04 | glass | and s60's |
| 09:25.15 | glass | and messing with files on the phone |
| 09:25.24 | glass | pcsuite fits that |
| 09:25.48 | KotCzarny | sure |
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| 09:25.59 | KotCzarny | some people use photoshop for image resizing |
| 09:26.07 | KotCzarny | and are happy with it |
| 09:26.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:26.16 | glass | the biggest crap is the crap sdk's |
| 09:26.18 | glass | not pcsuite etc |
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| 09:26.31 | KotCzarny | hates .mmk |
| 09:26.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:26.45 | KotCzarny | good thing there are alternatives |
| 09:26.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:27.17 | glass | and i don't mind windoze, i got no principles in that sense |
| 09:27.30 | KotCzarny | i assume you have original one? |
| 09:27.37 | glass | yeah |
| 09:27.48 | KotCzarny | and pay for every new version on the market? |
| 09:27.48 | glass | of course |
| 09:27.51 | glass | work |
| 09:27.59 | glass | i'm not upgrading to vista unless i have to |
| 09:28.11 | glass | i don't want to try if the tools work there |
| 09:28.14 | KotCzarny | you will, you will.. ;) |
| 09:28.42 | KotCzarny | xp is going to die by m$ hand in a few months |
| 09:28.45 | glass | maybe with a new lappy if it comes bundled, but i'd have to make it look like 2k's default theme |
| 09:29.07 | KotCzarny | theme won't make up for the horrors inside |
| 09:29.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:29.38 | glass | i've used linux on desktop when it was practical |
| 09:30.00 | qwerty12 | has Vista, XP and Linux. So I'm covered. |
| 09:30.06 | glass | for me, it's not. getting the sdk's running on linux is a pain and theres a lot of other tools besides that |
| 09:30.16 | KotCzarny | qwerty: no, you are not, osx :P |
| 09:30.25 | qwerty12 | Don't like OSX :p |
| 09:30.28 | glass | i hate osx.. |
| 09:31.22 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 09:31.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:31.50 | qwerty12 | Well, I found it awkward to use and I had to update my BIOS to get it to boot :/ |
| 09:31.56 | glass | lots of reasons, like needing a finder replacement because the default finder sucks so much, and window management in general in it |
| 09:32.05 | qwerty12 | After that I found it really weird to use. |
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| 09:38.35 | RST38h | sb2 gentlemen |
| 09:38.49 | RST38h | stop screwing with sb1, it is weird and unworkable |
| 09:39.01 | qwerty12 | really doesn't like SB2 |
| 09:39.33 | qwerty12 | Besides KotCzarny helped me with qemu and toolchain stuff so I'm set. |
| 09:40.06 | KotCzarny | rst: works for me :> |
| 09:40.37 | qwerty12 | really <3's Jaffa's tablet-encode |
| 09:41.37 | qwerty12 | Hmm, Fanoush's Rotation Kernel or the Diablo Kernel? |
| 09:42.03 | RST38h | breed 'em! |
| 09:42.22 | qwerty12 | I can't :( |
| 09:42.37 | qwerty12 | .config and maybe other changed source isn't available for the diablo kernel yet. |
| 09:43.06 | RST38h | ohhoho |
| 09:43.15 | KotCzarny | yeah, no sources yet |
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| 09:43.32 | RST38h | fuck, I disabled START button on dpad center and now I am getting emails from users asking where it has gone |
| 09:43.50 | qwerty12 | lmao, tell em the button is on their cracks |
| 09:43.58 | RST38h | there is just NO way to satisfy everybody |
| 09:44.00 | qwerty12 | Why not make it an option? |
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| 09:44.31 | RST38h | 'cause I am too lazy to implement gtk config dialog |
| 09:44.39 | KotCzarny | rst, not true |
| 09:44.40 | RST38h | definitely not for this item only |
| 09:44.43 | KotCzarny | just make it configurable |
| 09:44.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:44.47 | qwerty12 | What about text based option? |
| 09:44.56 | RST38h | I may have a gconf setting for it |
| 09:44.57 | qwerty12 | like dpad-start=1 etc |
| 09:45.21 | qwerty12 | gconf.. That reminds me, got to mod acmonitor. |
| 09:45.45 | RST38h | there is an obscure architectural problem with making it a command line option |
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| 09:46.11 | RST38h | has to deal with this being implemented at the EMULib layer while all command line options are processed by the app itself |
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| 09:47.24 | RST38h | I just made dpad center act as START when SHIFT/CTRL/ALT is pressed, that is the easiest way to satisfy both models, but it will not prevent people form asking |
| 09:58.25 | KotCzarny | make it configurable |
| 09:58.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 10:01.17 | gourdin | huhu here |
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| 10:08.37 | gourdin | the roadmap don t seem to be up to date |
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| 10:08.56 | gourdin | when is planed the next version ? |
| 10:09.58 | KotCzarny | next version of what? |
| 10:13.55 | qwerty12 | w00t, new application manager should be coming soon for diablo ;) |
| 10:15.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 10:16.58 | qwerty12 | I'm off to compile it, I want to try and make a few modifications on it anyway. |
| 10:17.20 | KotCzarny | http://tiny.pl/nvqm |
| 10:17.33 | KotCzarny | adding joystick on the right mmm |
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| 10:29.30 | Cptnodegard | yei finally got the thing configured |
| 10:29.44 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/nokias.jpg |
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| 10:31.00 | qwerty12 | Man, if/when I buy my next Symbian phone, it aint gonna be that one :p |
| 10:31.15 | Cptnodegard | why? :p |
| 10:31.27 | KotCzarny | looks like samsung |
| 10:31.28 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 10:31.31 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 10:31.35 | qwerty12 | Don't like how it looks :p. Plus the buttons aren't "symbian standard" :) |
| 10:31.39 | KotCzarny | girlish phone |
| 10:31.42 | Cptnodegard | i got the black one, silver one looks more nokia |
| 10:31.54 | KotCzarny | maybe he got china bootleg version? |
| 10:31.54 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 10:32.01 | qwerty12 | Nokla :p |
| 10:32.03 | Cptnodegard | buttons are the best ive had o any phones since the 3310 days |
| 10:32.35 | qwerty12 | I mean where's the buttons like the Pen, Menu key etc. I don't really like the "PIM" keys. |
| 10:32.37 | KotCzarny | yeah, it could be a nokla :> |
| 10:32.39 | Cptnodegard | the e51 isnt very standard anything... 3g phone without front camera for instance |
| 10:32.48 | qwerty12 | Reminds me of 6630 |
| 10:32.54 | qwerty12 | (No front camera) |
| 10:32.58 | Cptnodegard | what does the pen do? |
| 10:33.15 | KotCzarny | input mode |
| 10:33.26 | KotCzarny | ie. letters/case/numbers/t9 |
| 10:33.35 | qwerty12 | Brings up input settings. My bro's N73 and my N80 has it. I use it in games etc. |
| 10:33.40 | Cptnodegard | ...they used to have a dedicated button for THAT? |
| 10:34.12 | KotCzarny | looks on his n-gage |
| 10:34.14 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 10:34.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:34.31 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 10:34.41 | qwerty12 | looks at gold circle on my n-gage where pen button used to be ;) :P |
| 10:35.24 | Cptnodegard | the e51 will do for me. you cant get more specs for that price, basically its a gps receiver and camera away from the n82 |
| 10:35.55 | qwerty12 | is waiting for N96. And money to get it :p |
| 10:36.03 | KotCzarny | http://tonnikala.net/jutut/2003/n-gage/n_gage07_lores.jpg |
| 10:36.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:36.05 | glass | hmmh |
| 10:36.06 | glass | qwerty12: why |
| 10:36.13 | glass | qwerty12: it's not such a great device |
| 10:36.21 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I used to have that game :) |
| 10:36.29 | qwerty12 | glass, I wanted N95 but DVB is nice :) |
| 10:36.38 | KotCzarny | i have only worms |
| 10:36.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:36.42 | glass | qwerty12: ah ok.. well that's it's only bonus |
| 10:36.45 | Cptnodegard | N95 is sickingly overprices |
| 10:36.47 | KotCzarny | and carmageddon |
| 10:36.47 | Cptnodegard | d |
| 10:36.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:36.49 | glass | qwerty12: try to hold it before buying.. |
| 10:37.15 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I loved carmageddon, I used to play against my friend with 6630 :) |
| 10:37.26 | qwerty12 | looks into mophun emulator for S60 3rd edition |
| 10:37.32 | qwerty12 | glass, eek, sounds scary... |
| 10:37.44 | KotCzarny | has to find another person with a bt symbian phone |
| 10:38.09 | qwerty12 | Come to UK, we have proper phones. Not this CDMA, BREW etc shit |
| 10:38.11 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 10:38.21 | KotCzarny | has only gsm phones |
| 10:38.22 | glass | haha |
| 10:38.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:39.11 | qwerty12 | too :). Except with UMTS and EDGE :P |
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| 10:39.50 | Blastur | hey! is it difficult to compile your own kernel modules for n810? |
| 10:39.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:39.59 | Blastur | (does the SDK support that?) |
| 10:40.04 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 10:40.05 | qwerty12 | Blastur, easily :) |
| 10:40.16 | KotCzarny | just do as with regular kernel compile |
| 10:40.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:40.24 | KotCzarny | only in sdk |
| 10:40.26 | qwerty12 | remembers compiling asix.ko for thopiekar :) |
| 10:40.30 | Blastur | oh, ok |
| 10:40.37 | Blastur | i basically just want usbserial and ftdi stuff |
| 10:40.43 | Blastur | so its not even a custom made module |
| 10:40.49 | qwerty12 | You can find those modules in fanoush's pack |
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| 10:41.02 | scibot | Hi =/ |
| 10:42.38 | KotCzarny | "Black CPU for sale like new" |
| 10:42.39 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 10:42.59 | KotCzarny | my cpu is blacker than yours! |
| 10:43.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 10:44.59 | AStorm | KotCzarny: my cross-compiler is better than the junk used in sbox |
| 10:45.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 10:45.18 | AStorm | I want to take the sandbox and put a real system (e.g. Gentoo) in there |
| 10:45.38 | AStorm | based on uClibC of course |
| 10:45.41 | KotCzarny | astorm, i'm still waiting for your tests of vfp |
| 10:45.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:45.55 | AStorm | KotCzarny: right now, I'm breaking the device ;) |
| 10:46.20 | AStorm | and I don't have anything to test on... but I could |
| 10:46.26 | KotCzarny | btw. have you done any mods to linux-omap or just used stock ? |
| 10:46.44 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I taken the patches from www.muru.com/n8x0/ |
| 10:46.47 | AStorm | *I've |
| 10:46.48 | scibot | My mind won't stop racing. =( |
| 10:46.59 | AStorm | as there is a nice keyboard patch |
| 10:47.05 | AStorm | just need to add DE layout |
| 10:47.12 | KotCzarny | astorm, thx, anything else needed to get it working? |
| 10:47.18 | KotCzarny | The requested URL /n8x0/ was not found on this server. |
| 10:47.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:47.25 | AStorm | n810 |
| 10:47.28 | AStorm | maybe |
| 10:47.30 | AStorm | google |
| 10:47.34 | qwerty12 | http://www.muru.com/linux/n8x0/ |
| 10:47.36 | qwerty12 | ;) |
| 10:47.41 | AStorm | ah, yes |
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| 10:48.13 | KotCzarny | BATTERY CHARGING |
| 10:48.14 | KotCzarny | I think battery charging works if you run the linuxrc as noted |
| 10:48.14 | KotCzarny | under bluetooth section.. |
| 10:48.16 | KotCzarny | whoohoo |
| 10:48.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:48.31 | KotCzarny | i think my next mod is getting recent kernel |
| 10:48.31 | AStorm | yes, it does |
| 10:48.32 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 10:48.32 | AStorm | it's done by bme and automatically |
| 10:49.09 | AStorm | why won't Nokia open bme and dsme... |
| 10:49.21 | AStorm | that code shouldn't be too bad. NDA? |
| 10:49.42 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 10:49.55 | KotCzarny | hmm, johnx would be interested in that site |
| 10:49.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 10:50.10 | qwerty12 | thinks because of bb5 theory |
| 10:50.16 | AStorm | the best thing is that I don't need to kick the watchdog |
| 10:50.32 | scibot | =( |
| 10:50.50 | AStorm | scibot: drink some alcohol |
| 10:50.56 | AStorm | something strong |
| 10:51.15 | scibot | Don't have anything, and I doubt that's a solution |
| 10:51.47 | qwerty12 | Try chloroform? |
| 10:51.49 | AStorm | heh |
| 10:51.54 | scibot | Got art to do. |
| 10:52.19 | scibot | Issue is my mind is racing about solutions to tech issues and it won't stop. =( |
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| 10:55.22 | Alendit_ | hi, did someone compiled maemo-devkit recently? |
| 10:58.45 | Blastur | is it possible to also recompile the entire n810 kernel? |
| 10:59.19 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:59.30 | KotCzarny | well, excluding binary blobs |
| 10:59.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:00.21 | Blastur | ok, so the kernel drivers are open source, except that they load firmware upon start? |
| 11:00.33 | Blastur | ie the n810 platform specific drivers |
| 11:00.54 | KotCzarny | +/- |
| 11:01.03 | Blastur | +/-? |
| 11:01.08 | qwerty12 | Blastur, To get started: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html . Don't make a new target, just use chinook_armel, much easier. |
| 11:01.47 | Blastur | im not even sure im gonna try it, but it sure would be interesting to do so :) now that i found pre-compiled usbserial stuff, i wouldnt even need to install the sdk |
| 11:02.34 | qwerty12 | I've done it, to make a "mega" kernel. Not so mega but I wanted a kernel that integrated everything that the community at the time had patched for the kernel. |
| 11:02.39 | scibot | I'm going to walk around for a bit until my mind stops doing this auto-pilot problem solving bullshit. |
| 11:04.03 | Blastur | i see |
| 11:04.25 | Blastur | well, first step is to head downtown to get a usb female-to-female adapter |
| 11:05.53 | RST38h | qwerty: too bad rotation stuff is not going to be in the official kernel =( |
| 11:06.12 | Blastur | rotation stuff? |
| 11:06.23 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Yeah :(. It's gonna be more of a pisstake because of SSU |
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| 11:09.16 | RST38h | on the other hand, they would have to rehash a lot of UI to make this feature properly supported |
| 11:09.42 | qwerty12 | You mean, Nokia actually doing some work? :P |
| 11:09.45 | qwerty12 | :O |
| 11:09.55 | qwerty12 | I'm still waiting for A2DP from Nokia. |
| 11:11.37 | flo_lap | hi all |
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| 11:12.56 | Alendit_ | hi |
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| 11:13.35 | Blastur | hey, how do i setup usb ethernet with my n810? |
| 11:14.38 | Alendit_ | blastur, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ |
| 11:14.43 | Alendit_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/, sry |
| 11:14.59 | Blastur | thank you |
| 11:15.39 | AStorm | he's mad |
| 11:15.42 | AStorm | I mean, qwerty |
| 11:15.50 | AStorm | you can't fit a mega kernel in the device ;P |
| 11:16.03 | AStorm | you have to modularize most of the things |
| 11:16.10 | AStorm | and can't include everything on initfs |
| 11:17.41 | KotCzarny | astorm, hrm |
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| 11:18.00 | KotCzarny | isn't linux-omap montavista's project? |
| 11:18.36 | AStorm | no, isn't |
| 11:18.49 | AStorm | at least I never heard it was |
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| 11:18.58 | KotCzarny | http://muru.com/linux/omap/ |
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| 11:20.14 | AStorm | you see, it isn't |
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| 11:20.25 | KotCzarny | The |
| 11:20.26 | KotCzarny | current development for Linux 2.6 is done using the linux-omap |
| 11:20.26 | KotCzarny | git tree here. |
| 11:20.32 | AStorm | Montavista just had patches for old OMAP1510 |
| 11:20.35 | KotCzarny | where 'here' is a link to montavista's site |
| 11:20.39 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 11:20.47 | AStorm | wrong |
| 11:20.51 | AStorm | it's on git.kernel.org |
| 11:21.23 | AStorm | ok, it's a mirror |
| 11:21.24 | AStorm | :> |
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| 11:24.10 | kkrust1 | I installed the wireless-tools package but I cant run the binaries because I cant find them |
| 11:24.14 | kkrust1 | where are they located? |
| 11:24.21 | KotCzarny | be root |
| 11:24.48 | kkrust1 | KotCzarny: I need to become root to use them? |
| 11:24.53 | AStorm | yes |
| 11:25.06 | AStorm | anyway, they don't work well with the default driver |
| 11:25.26 | Blastur | hmm. if i am to get a memory card for my n810, i should get mini-SD right? |
| 11:25.30 | KotCzarny | astorm: diablo's initfs contain libiw.so.29 |
| 11:25.53 | Blastur | or is it micro sd? |
| 11:25.54 | AStorm | so what? |
| 11:25.55 | KotCzarny | so maybe there is some hope for regular tools picking on wifi :) |
| 11:26.03 | kkrust1 | Blastur: mini SD I think |
| 11:26.10 | AStorm | Blastur: nobody makes miniSD anymore, so get microSD and an adapter |
| 11:26.16 | AStorm | N810 has a miniSD slot |
| 11:26.23 | kkrust1 | and also HD SC compliant |
| 11:26.38 | AStorm | SDHC |
| 11:26.39 | AStorm | :-) |
| 11:26.48 | Blastur | so what do i tell the guy in the store? :) i want sdhc card? |
| 11:26.54 | AStorm | yes |
| 11:27.02 | AStorm | sdhc microSD card |
| 11:27.11 | AStorm | I recommend Sandisk |
| 11:27.12 | KotCzarny | have a device with you |
| 11:27.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:27.15 | kkrust1 | AStorm: Ah yes :D |
| 11:27.19 | AStorm | yes, for testing |
| 11:27.34 | AStorm | or microSDHC as they call them sometimes |
| 11:28.55 | AStorm | if the SD card is >2GB, it's SDHC |
| 11:28.59 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 11:29.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:29.19 | AStorm | true true |
| 11:29.37 | AStorm | KotCzarny: show me otherwise |
| 11:30.45 | milhouse | Some non-SDHC full size SD cards were available in 4GB capacities |
| 11:31.20 | AStorm | full size... hearing crickets? |
| 11:31.20 | milhouse | I doubt there are any microSD 4GB non-SDHC cards available however |
| 11:31.27 | AStorm | :-) |
| 11:31.31 | milhouse | just clarifying the points... |
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| 11:31.39 | KotCzarny | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820163159 |
| 11:31.41 | KotCzarny | maybe this one |
| 11:31.46 | KotCzarny | no sdhc on label |
| 11:31.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:31.58 | Blastur | hmm, im trying to insert an old 32 mb mini-sd card, but it wont fit ;) |
| 11:32.06 | Blastur | it's like a millimeter too big |
| 11:32.09 | Blastur | or im doing something wrong.. |
| 11:32.43 | Blastur | the manual isn't too clear.. it says "keep the rounded corner to the left and the pins facing down".. that would mean inserting the card on its side?! |
| 11:33.11 | KotCzarny | blastur, try trimming lock switch? |
| 11:33.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:33.17 | Blastur | also, the "lid" or whatever doesn't come off, i can pull it out a bit, but not remove it completely. to insert stuff i have to bend it slightly down |
| 11:33.28 | Blastur | lock switch? |
| 11:33.29 | AStorm | Blastur: it's not supposed to come off completely |
| 11:34.18 | Blastur | the opening is just not wide enough |
| 11:34.20 | KotCzarny | astorm: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072804pretec_4gbcard.asp |
| 11:34.27 | KotCzarny | another one without sdhc logo |
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| 11:35.03 | AStorm | Blastur: it is, you must insert it straight |
| 11:35.19 | Blastur | actually, i think this is a SD card |
| 11:35.26 | Blastur | slams head into desk |
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| 11:35.37 | AStorm | Blastur: you win ;P |
| 11:35.42 | gimmal | afternoon pplz |
| 11:35.44 | lcuk2 | rubs the sleep out of his eyes |
| 11:35.57 | KotCzarny | astorm: acknowledge you were wrong :P |
| 11:36.00 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 11:36.08 | gimmal | got a question, fwiw. can I trust debian/etc 'arm' architecture packages to maybe work on maemo os2008 ? |
| 11:36.10 | lcuk | mornin kot :) |
| 11:36.14 | gimmal | er .. debian/etch I mean |
| 11:36.18 | gimmal | aka debian/stable heh |
| 11:36.25 | KotCzarny | gimmel: yes, but debian is a dependency hell |
| 11:36.33 | KotCzarny | and not arm, but armel |
| 11:36.39 | lcuk | i thought windows dlls were worst offenders |
| 11:36.41 | gimmal | KotCzarny: heh, awesume and yet not hehe |
| 11:36.44 | gimmal | armel, thank you |
| 11:37.02 | RST38h | ~ |
| 11:37.08 | KotCzarny | ~~ |
| 11:37.10 | infobot | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 11:37.15 | AStorm | lcuk: in order, windows dlls, rpm, deb |
| 11:37.24 | RST38h | kill, infobot, kill |
| 11:37.31 | lcuk | lol storm |
| 11:37.37 | sp3000 | infobot, kill infobot |
| 11:37.37 | infobot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-quark gun at infobot |
| 11:38.03 | KotCzarny | infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, |
| 11:38.04 | infobot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudoquark gun at infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, |
| 11:38.11 | KotCzarny | *innocent* |
| 11:38.11 | gimmal | watches the anti-quark gun dissolve itself in infobot's hands muahaha |
| 11:38.16 | lcuk | i hate asking technical q's when im bleary but how do i rename a folder full of files from something like "liq.20080417_011936_hello world.page" to "liq.20080417_011936_.page" theres about 200 files and i wanna get rid of the crappy title bit |
| 11:38.24 | RST38h | destroy destroooooy |
| 11:38.41 | KotCzarny | lcuk, wanna my rename script? |
| 11:38.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:38.51 | gimmal | lcuk: try mmv |
| 11:38.59 | sp3000 | lcuk: I'd just do some bash loopiness |
| 11:39.04 | sp3000 | perl has a rename thing doesn't it |
| 11:39.09 | KotCzarny | php/perl is preferred |
| 11:39.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:39.12 | lcuk | this is direct on device |
| 11:39.22 | KotCzarny | lcuk: sshfs |
| 11:39.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:39.24 | lcuk | can it be done without installing anything else? |
| 11:39.32 | KotCzarny | you have sshd on device |
| 11:39.36 | lcuk | yer |
| 11:39.38 | KotCzarny | you have access to it's fs |
| 11:39.46 | lcuk | lemme see the script, ill boil it down |
| 11:40.05 | lcuk | but windows at this end, i might have accidentally vaped my vmware.. |
| 11:40.26 | sp3000 | for f in *.page; do echo mv -v "$f" "${f%_*}.page"; done |
| 11:40.31 | lcuk | i have cleaned off my profile and culled about 200gb of data (do it before a holiday) |
| 11:40.32 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/rnm |
| 11:40.43 | gimmal | lcuk: mmv "liq.*hello_world.page" "licq.#1.page" # should do it, afaik, if'n mmv is installed |
| 11:40.45 | sp3000 | but I don't actually recall if those replacements work on the device or not |
| 11:40.53 | KotCzarny | for your particular example try: rnm 'hello_world' '' |
| 11:41.06 | RST38h | http://community.livejournal.com/detskiy_dvor/ |
| 11:41.08 | lcuk | ill make a copy and give it/them all a try, thanks chaps ill see what works |
| 11:41.11 | RST38h | enjoy |
| 11:41.19 | KotCzarny | it's a perl, so you should be able to do it on device |
| 11:41.30 | RST38h | Most of these are just asking for a human sacrifice btw |
| 11:41.58 | sp3000 | goat blood and a porcupine liver will do |
| 11:42.04 | gimmal | sshitfs, yeah I've used that, doesn't microsoft make it? |
| 11:42.12 | gimmal | :^P> |
| 11:42.15 | RST38h | sp3000: but what if it doesn't and one of Them gets pissed off? |
| 11:42.55 | gimmal | infobot will antiquark Them for you? dunno infobot personally, but he sounds like a serious dude ... :^)> |
| 11:43.17 | gimmal | clams up |
| 11:43.21 | KotCzarny | lcuk: my script doesn't do anything without -w flag though, so you can see what it would try to do before it destroys your files |
| 11:43.27 | KotCzarny | (or if regexp is wrong :) |
| 11:43.42 | gimmal | mentions mmv again for pattern renaming fwiw |
| 11:43.50 | lcuk | excellent thanks kot :) safety first |
| 11:44.08 | lcuk | -sh: mmv: not found |
| 11:44.19 | lcuk | thanks for the mention gimmal :) |
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| 11:44.32 | gimmal | lcuk: hehe, yeah, but I'd guess it's available from your distro - or you're trying this on a nokia dev? |
| 11:44.41 | lcuk | direct on nokia |
| 11:44.48 | lcuk | like everything else |
| 11:45.02 | gimmal | ok; pardon my insistence on attention! >:) |
| 11:45.03 | lcuk | i dont really have linux here, ive evolved |
| 11:46.00 | gimmal | looks for lcuk's third arm, gets poked in the eye |
| 11:46.53 | lcuk | hey! thats a leg not an arm |
| 11:47.53 | gimmal | gets a shoe, a glove, and something unmentionable for lcuk's third appendage >^) |
| 11:48.22 | lcuk | calls the police on gimmal |
| 11:48.27 | gimmal | then departs from the vicinity, stealthily, muhahah ninja |
| 11:48.48 | lcuk | i was a ninja on holiday |
| 11:49.22 | lcuk | we had a treetop rope obstacle course |
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| 11:52.33 | RST38h | Go tell me this one does not eat humans: http://ljplus.ru//img3/n/o/nordprod/park2.JPG |
| 11:52.54 | KotCzarny | won't fit |
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| 11:54.00 | lcuk | sp3000, why does ${f%_*}.page work? is that a regex looking for the final _ ? |
| 11:54.37 | lcuk | would like to understand - ive just run it with just the echo part and no mv yet |
| 11:55.24 | KotCzarny | lcuk, don't use bash |
| 11:55.32 | KotCzarny | it will bite you on spaces |
| 11:55.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:55.38 | KotCzarny | and weird chars |
| 11:56.10 | KotCzarny | and bash doesn't use regexps |
| 11:56.20 | KotCzarny | it uses it's own pattern matching |
| 11:56.26 | lcuk | well it worked.. |
| 11:56.26 | KotCzarny | incompatible with regexps |
| 11:56.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 11:56.44 | lcuk | probably just renamed every single file in entire file sys |
| 11:56.48 | lcuk | but it worked ;) |
| 11:58.17 | gimmal | grumbles at the shoddy wlan card built into his lappy - iwl3945 support for it is not so great in kernel 2.2.24, and though it's said to be better in linux 2.2.26, that is not yeat out of the release-candidate stage. /me also prefers irc instead of blogging, beg pardon |
| 11:58.21 | {abo} | bash uses globbing. ${%f_*} is the same as $(sed <<<"$f" "s/_.*//;" ) i think. |
| 11:58.36 | {abo} | s/_.*$//; i mean |
| 11:58.46 | gimmal | can wlan the n810 under vista. yech. and not under linux. drat |
| 11:59.07 | lcuk | {abo} thanks for the clarification, its as clear as mud now |
| 11:59.12 | gimmal | haven't tried running vista under qemu. afraid of it, mildly <:^| |
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| 12:01.35 | gimmal | awes at the bash brahmans in channel |^)> |
| 12:01.47 | lcuk | jeeesus, even reformatting your perl script makes it heavy going on the eyes. |
| 12:01.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:01.57 | lcuk | makes a mental note never to look at perl again |
| 12:02.06 | KotCzarny | yeah, php is nicer |
| 12:02.10 | KotCzarny | but also bigger |
| 12:02.19 | lcuk | i thought bigger was better |
| 12:02.25 | KotCzarny | and also note my perl skills are puny |
| 12:02.41 | KotCzarny | real wizard would blow your mind away |
| 12:02.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:03.06 | gimmal | considers rebooting to 2.6.18. try using the old ipw3945 module. |
| 12:03.19 | AStorm | php is evil |
| 12:03.22 | AStorm | perl is eviler |
| 12:03.27 | gimmal | ok, that didn't take long to consider. hasta luego |
| 12:03.28 | AStorm | go Python! |
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| 12:03.34 | KotCzarny | python is a cow |
| 12:03.34 | lcuk | right, thanks you lot - ive got the files renamed, ideas now have no title :) |
| 12:03.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:03.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: heavy, yes ;) |
| 12:03.43 | lcuk | VB FTW! |
| 12:03.47 | AStorm | but is faster and has more features |
| 12:03.57 | KotCzarny | for speed i use c |
| 12:03.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:03.59 | AStorm | ruby would be fine if it worked better ;P |
| 12:04.18 | lcuk | ok which one of you lot just picked up the rollup i just made? |
| 12:04.31 | KotCzarny | rollup? |
| 12:04.37 | lcuk | cig |
| 12:04.40 | KotCzarny | cig ? |
| 12:05.05 | lcuk | handmade cigarette |
| 12:05.09 | KotCzarny | uses only blotters |
| 12:05.38 | Alendit_ | oh, it was yours... ^^ |
| 12:07.02 | lcuk | for some reason now my rollup is called liq_20080524_1306_rollup.page |
| 12:07.23 | KotCzarny | lcuk: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:07.54 | KotCzarny | keep in mind regexps treat . * + $ ^ [ ] ( ) as special chars |
| 12:08.11 | KotCzarny | and some others :> |
| 12:08.28 | lcuk | nothing - ive done the rename - i gave all my sketches a default name which included "hello world" as the title, now i want to use real titles and have all new pages title-less. ive got about 200 or so that have stupid titles |
| 12:09.03 | lcuk | changes the code now to stop the sillyness ;) |
| 12:09.27 | lcuk | :D my shed is still there |
| 12:10.27 | {abo} | Uhm, is there a way to start the default text editor thing from the command line? |
| 12:10.39 | {abo} | I want to edit a text file in /etc/ as root |
| 12:10.42 | AStorm | $($EDITOR) |
| 12:10.44 | AStorm | ;) |
| 12:10.51 | AStorm | or just $EDITOR |
| 12:11.07 | KotCzarny | or vi /etc/file |
| 12:11.12 | AStorm | ;) |
| 12:11.18 | KotCzarny | is not evil |
| 12:11.35 | {abo} | darn |
| 12:11.45 | {abo} | I prefer the GUI text editor to vi, never figure out how to use that. |
| 12:11.49 | AStorm | KotCzarny: really? |
| 12:11.56 | AStorm | {abo}: a good time to do so |
| 12:11.58 | KotCzarny | astorm: sometimes |
| 12:12.03 | AStorm | if you're lame, install and use nano |
| 12:12.11 | KotCzarny | mcedit! |
| 12:12.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:12.37 | {abo} | osso_notes /path/to/text/file doesn't open it :( |
| 12:13.52 | {abo} | Meh |
| 12:14.07 | {abo} | nano is not on garage :/ |
| 12:14.21 | {abo} | Bah, I guess I'll try vi |
| 12:15.27 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 12:16.23 | mysc | has anyone hacked hildon to remove the bluetooth timeout? |
| 12:16.43 | KotCzarny | l2ping it ? |
| 12:17.23 | KotCzarny | and if you got an apple kb, then it's braindead a little |
| 12:17.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:17.54 | {abo} | That was abvously the wrong button to push. *grumbles about vi* |
| 12:18.04 | KotCzarny | beeps at abo |
| 12:18.27 | lcuk | {abo} i use pygtkeditor |
| 12:18.38 | lcuk | it takes parameters |
| 12:18.47 | lcuk | and does syntax highlighting |
| 12:18.58 | lcuk | and available for device |
| 12:19.33 | KotCzarny | but will it bled? |
| 12:19.35 | KotCzarny | blend |
| 12:21.11 | {abo} | lcuk: Thanks, might try it. :) |
| 12:21.19 | {abo} | Need to install some dev tools |
| 12:21.48 | mysc | vi rocks. hrmmm, google's is finding the bluetooth complaint not the solutions heh |
| 12:22.01 | KotCzarny | mysc ;) |
| 12:22.21 | KotCzarny | mysc, i'm curious, will l2ping keep it alive? |
| 12:23.29 | mysc | maybe, but rather than a "keepalive" ping script i rather patch the timeout |
| 12:23.39 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 12:23.48 | KotCzarny | unless you have access to apple firmware builder |
| 12:23.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:24.07 | mysc | it's not a problem on the apple side... |
| 12:24.49 | KotCzarny | l2ping with a interval of timeout -5 should work |
| 12:25.06 | KotCzarny | *an |
| 12:25.47 | mysc | what's the command to see the mac of the devices connected? does bt have an 'ifconfig' ? |
| 12:26.12 | lcuk | how do i get the opposite of basename? ie the path to PWD excluding the basename |
| 12:26.17 | KotCzarny | i don't know what's installed |
| 12:26.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: dirname |
| 12:26.37 | lcuk | thx once again :) |
| 12:26.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you will be billed at the end of the year |
| 12:26.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:27.27 | lcuk | dont worry im rearranging the intro and putting notices back :) its all gonna be scrolly |
| 12:27.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:27.43 | KotCzarny | make an avi from it |
| 12:27.48 | KotCzarny | then play before sleep |
| 12:27.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:28.20 | lcuk | i was testing the camera last night and as long as i can affix it into place ill be making a movie and hopefully uploading before ltag so people can see |
| 12:28.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:28.48 | KotCzarny | for movies bigger storage is essential |
| 12:28.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:28.56 | lcuk | not on device.. |
| 12:29.02 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 12:29.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:29.09 | lcuk | but animated sketches are gonna be great |
| 12:29.12 | mysc | Kot, i have to install some bt utils, no l2ping on this maemo |
| 12:29.31 | lcuk | sees LOTS of potential |
| 12:29.35 | KotCzarny | mysc, yeah, that's what i suspected |
| 12:30.12 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you want to detrinize adobe flash or m$ ppt ? |
| 12:30.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:30.28 | lcuk | neither |
| 12:31.16 | lcuk | oh shag! |
| 12:31.23 | KotCzarny | detronize |
| 12:31.49 | lcuk | ive been playing and tweaking and expecting files to exist in a folder listing and wondering why they weren't. damn cached listing |
| 12:32.02 | lcuk | ive got about 20 there now.. |
| 12:32.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:35.28 | lcuk | backtick is v powerful :) |
| 12:35.37 | KotCzarny | backtick? |
| 12:35.48 | lcuk | `dirname $PWD` |
| 12:35.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:35.58 | KotCzarny | beware of spaces |
| 12:37.06 | lcuk | yer i will - i had to adjust kcup since /tmp is only small on device - im writing directly to the backup folder now |
| 12:38.25 | mysc | Kot, thanks for pointing me in the right dir, bluez-utils has the hcitool |
| 12:38.27 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you can mod the initfs startup script |
| 12:38.38 | lcuk | no need at all |
| 12:38.57 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i have removed stupid 512kb option when mounting tmpfs |
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| 12:39.26 | KotCzarny | now i can go ~60mb on /tmp |
| 12:39.37 | lcuk | but isnt tmp memory? |
| 12:39.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:39.48 | KotCzarny | but it frees it if you don't use it |
| 12:40.13 | KotCzarny | so if you had 10mb file in /tmp, then removed it |
| 12:40.20 | KotCzarny | mem is returned to the sys |
| 12:40.47 | KotCzarny | and ram is so much faster than flash ;) |
| 12:40.49 | lcuk | like the dynamic ram disk on amiga |
| 12:40.54 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 12:46.48 | lcuk | kot, that would have been great before, but looking at kcup it never deleted files :P |
| 12:46.58 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:47.01 | lcuk | so tmp would have grown, the limit was useful |
| 12:47.12 | KotCzarny | adding rm is trivial |
| 12:47.16 | KotCzarny | also |
| 12:47.17 | lcuk | i would have never noticed why machine got slower and slower and slower |
| 12:47.20 | lcuk | i know :P |
| 12:47.25 | KotCzarny | default limit is 1/2 of ram |
| 12:47.30 | lcuk | its done now and completely bypasses everything |
| 12:47.58 | lcuk | and in the intermediate bit i had superdad duties to do |
| 12:48.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 12:53.37 | mysc | Kot, wonderous, just wrote the following one-liner: l2ping `hcitool con | grep ACL | awk '{print $3}'` |
| 12:53.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:54.03 | KotCzarny | add interval too |
| 12:54.17 | mysc | yeah, will add an interval and plop it in bg... |
| 12:54.19 | KotCzarny | and check if it really helps |
| 12:54.41 | KotCzarny | because i don't know if ping affects idle timeout |
| 12:55.15 | gimmal | says phuck the hardware the ipw3945 module uses, phuck MSI's selection of wlan cards *and* sound cards for their laptops, and resolves to order a PCMCI wlan card |
| 12:55.24 | gimmal | grrrrrr |
| 12:55.37 | KotCzarny | gimmal: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:55.39 | mysc | gimmal, lotta anger :) |
| 12:55.50 | gimmal | works fine under vista, doesn't work period under linux |
| 12:55.51 | KotCzarny | and why are you doing it wrong? |
| 12:55.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:55.51 | KotCzarny | false |
| 12:55.59 | gimmal | KotCzarny: tryna get my brandnew N810 to be able to use the inet through my box running linux |
| 12:56.06 | KotCzarny | worked for my girl |
| 12:56.10 | gimmal | KotCzarny: dunno if it's even possible with this wlan card |
| 12:56.20 | KotCzarny | and she had lousy acer with ipw3945 |
| 12:56.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:56.33 | gimmal | has a box with a wlan card that req's the scrappy ipw3945 (in older kernels) or iwl3945 (in recent kernels) suppt |
| 12:56.41 | gimmal | hm. maybe it's this card |
| 12:56.48 | AStorm | KotCzarny: don't ever call that lousy |
| 12:56.55 | KotCzarny | astorm: acer? |
| 12:56.56 | AStorm | I have one and it works *excellent8 |
| 12:56.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:56.58 | AStorm | yep |
| 12:57.09 | KotCzarny | i hate *shiny* laptops |
| 12:57.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:57.10 | AStorm | TM 4230 |
| 12:57.19 | AStorm | it's not shiny, hehe |
| 12:57.19 | gimmal | 1) card doesn't support wlan "Master" mode; 2) card shows funny results under iwconfig, when the modules are loaded; 3) when the box shows wlan0 as being "up", the n810 still can't find it |
| 12:57.29 | AStorm | gimmal: doesn't |
| 12:57.33 | AStorm | no funny results |
| 12:57.36 | AStorm | works vs n810 |
| 12:57.38 | AStorm | :-) |
| 12:57.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:57.47 | KotCzarny | gimmal: try another distro? |
| 12:57.53 | KotCzarny | get newest package? |
| 12:57.55 | AStorm | Yes, Gentoo wins. |
| 12:58.04 | KotCzarny | slackware worked too |
| 12:58.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:58.06 | gimmal | 802.11n sounds intriguing anyway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n |
| 12:58.13 | gimmal | KotCzarny: hehe, funny :^)> |
| 12:58.19 | gimmal | is pretty well set on using debian |
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| 12:58.31 | KotCzarny | then take the pain like a man |
| 12:58.32 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 12:58.38 | KotCzarny | it's your own decision |
| 12:58.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:58.45 | AStorm | I wonder why they picked .deb instead of .ian as the extension ;P |
| 12:58.51 | gimmal | wants to take it like a man with a gun, add a few new "ports" to this box. muhahahahaha |
| 12:59.08 | AStorm | just get a new kernel |
| 12:59.25 | mysc | what does iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
| 12:59.31 | gimmal | would if I could, but 2.4.26 isn't available yet 'cept as -rc |
| 12:59.33 | mysc | or whatever your wifi interface name is... |
| 12:59.40 | gimmal | mysc: error, mode not supported |
| 12:59.43 | AStorm | gimmal: 2.4.26? it's oooold ;) |
| 12:59.45 | mysc | sol then |
| 12:59.56 | AStorm | gimmal: it has to be set on wmaster0 and not wlan0 |
| 12:59.56 | gimmal | er, whatever.26 hehe |
| 13:00.02 | gimmal | 2.6.26 |
| 13:00.07 | mysc | there was a table with drivers and modes supported and development status...forgot url though |
| 13:00.10 | gimmal | AStorm: ah. ok. thanks |
| 13:00.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:00.33 | gimmal | the way this is going, dunno if that'll fix it, but I will sure as heck try it |
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| 13:00.44 | AStorm | ok, where can I dl Win XP Home or Win 98? |
| 13:00.51 | KotCzarny | astorm: amule.org |
| 13:01.09 | AStorm | preloaded with worms? thank you ;P |
| 13:01.17 | KotCzarny | never noticed any worms |
| 13:01.23 | KotCzarny | just use some hash page |
| 13:01.52 | mysc | if iwconfig wlan0 mode master gives error then i fear the driver/chipset doesn't support master mode |
| 13:02.00 | KotCzarny | also every version of xp comes with a worm, it's calles m$ update :P |
| 13:02.10 | gimmal | forking how do I get it to be wmaster0 instead of wlan0 i'm wondering |
| 13:02.15 | AStorm | no problem with that worm |
| 13:02.19 | AStorm | I want to run it in a VM |
| 13:02.21 | gimmal | reboot? |
| 13:02.23 | AStorm | to play Planescape Torment |
| 13:02.24 | mysc | Kot, no...the worm is xp itself. msupdate is simply the worm update feature |
| 13:02.27 | AStorm | as Wine fails somewhat |
| 13:02.39 | KotCzarny | astorm: what version of wine? |
| 13:02.44 | AStorm | 1.0_rc1 |
| 13:02.45 | KotCzarny | have you checked app db ? |
| 13:02.46 | gimmal | changed "alias wlan0 ipw3945" to "alias wmaster0 ipw3945", then killed the ipw3945 daemon and removed the module, then reinstalled. still shows up as wlan0 |
| 13:02.53 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it's gold |
| 13:02.55 | KotCzarny | sometimes older versions work better |
| 13:02.58 | AStorm | crashes after some time ;P |
| 13:03.04 | AStorm | the only that will is 0.9.15 |
| 13:03.05 | KotCzarny | gimmal: what daemon? |
| 13:03.07 | AStorm | and that's ancient |
| 13:03.07 | mysc | what distrib gimmal? |
| 13:03.10 | KotCzarny | you have old driver |
| 13:03.15 | gimmal | KotCzarny: ipw3945d |
| 13:03.18 | gimmal | mysc: debian etch |
| 13:03.18 | KotCzarny | newest doesn't require a daemon |
| 13:03.19 | AStorm | mysc: Debian, yes, you guessed it |
| 13:03.28 | AStorm | gimmal: indeed, use iwlwifi |
| 13:03.37 | AStorm | more stable |
| 13:03.44 | gimmal | KotCzarny: indeed; iwl3945 I had doubts about, for this card, so rebooted to 2.6.18 |
| 13:03.54 | mysc | astorm, you might be able to find a qemu image around somewhere... |
| 13:04.14 | gimmal | erk, forking udev rules |
| 13:04.42 | gimmal | that's probably what I have to change - the udev rule I had to *write*, even to get it to show up as wlan0 (instead of wlan0_rename -- which, without that new udev rule, it showed up as under iwconfig) |
| 13:04.57 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 13:05.01 | gimmal | ...to get it to show up as wmaster0 |
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| 13:05.08 | gimmal | grr |
| 13:05.11 | KotCzarny | renaming won't help you |
| 13:05.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:05.24 | KotCzarny | it should create it itself |
| 13:05.34 | gimmal | KotCzarny: someone said it has to be called wmaster0 to support 'Master' mode |
| 13:05.55 | mysc | gimmal, no, iwconfig should force that, the error means it is not supported |
| 13:05.55 | gimmal | doesn't know what it should create, but it doesn't seem willing to do much |
| 13:06.06 | KotCzarny | yeah, it's like having wifi0 and wlan0 and one being raw and other with wifi ext :P |
| 13:06.18 | gimmal | eh, hm |
| 13:06.34 | KotCzarny | get new kernel |
| 13:06.36 | KotCzarny | get new driver |
| 13:06.43 | gimmal | iwconfig wmaster0: no such device ... I'm not understanding something y'all know hehe |
| 13:07.05 | gimmal | resovles again to get a new card ... one with 802.11n suppt. not pricey either |
| 13:07.15 | KotCzarny | good enough |
| 13:07.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:08.11 | gimmal | so how could I get the card to be in Master mode? I mean, how do I get it to show up as wmaster0, is that what I should be asking? :^) |
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| 13:09.28 | mysc | gimmal, have you tried to set up ad-hoc mode? |
| 13:09.40 | gimmal | nmind, changing the udev mode did it .. |
| 13:09.45 | gimmal | er .. udev rule |
| 13:10.00 | gimmal | mysc: yep, was completely failing there. this box showed it as "up", but the n810 couldn't find it |
| 13:10.32 | gimmal | fwiw, what "access point" am I supposed to use in ad-hoc mode? didn't understand the iwconfig docs on it. should I make up a access point MAC? or use the MAC of the device I want to connect to the wlan? or otherwise? |
| 13:11.06 | KotCzarny | in ad-hoc mode you need only essid |
| 13:11.25 | KotCzarny | and optionally key |
| 13:11.42 | gimmal | ok, thanks |
| 13:12.37 | gimmal | ok, can't set Master mode even if it's called wmaster0 |
| 13:12.50 | KotCzarny | as i said |
| 13:12.55 | mysc | that's only a name gimmal |
| 13:12.56 | KotCzarny | you can name it eth0 |
| 13:13.02 | KotCzarny | but it won't be ethernet |
| 13:13.06 | mysc | if iwconfig master barfed then the driver doesn't support it |
| 13:13.09 | gimmal | ok |
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| 13:13.11 | lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhhhh damn clock skew, im editing files in windows and when they get scped back to device they are an hour behind so make wont do diddly on them |
| 13:13.19 | gimmal | thought someone said it had to be called wmaster0 for Master mode to work |
| 13:13.32 | KotCzarny | lcuk: don't let windows touch your files? :> |
| 13:13.39 | mysc | set ad hoc, set channel, set essid, then give it an ip on the lan. then run a dhcpd to provide your n810 with an ip |
| 13:13.39 | gimmal | no problemo; appreciating the help |
| 13:13.55 | KotCzarny | or name them using time and date |
| 13:14.22 | gimmal | n810 is still not finding it |
| 13:14.33 | KotCzarny | gimmal, yes, it has to be called, but it's the driver that's creating device under that name |
| 13:14.37 | mysc | what's the ouput from iwconfig? |
| 13:15.11 | gimmal | KotCzarny: ok, I think I almost see :^) would probably make sense to me if I had a card that supported it, and then if I watched it do so hehe |
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| 13:15.27 | gimmal | mysc: I can put it in #paste if you would like to see |
| 13:15.37 | KotCzarny | gimmal: pastebin.com |
| 13:15.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 13:28.50 | gimmal | ok, it looks like the interface is working right now, now how the heck is the n810 getting its ip address? it's not coming from my dhcpd |
| 13:28.57 | lcuk | well thats a little better, now the skew is 45seconds |
| 13:29.07 | gimmal | *cough* which is probably because dhcpd isn't listening on wmaster0 |
| 13:29.16 | mysc | gimmal, so setting a channel was the ticket? |
| 13:29.26 | mysc | yes, you need dhcpd on that iface :) |
| 13:29.53 | lcuk | the interface to date and time on the device does not allow me to configure or see seconds, how can i set the clock exactly |
| 13:30.10 | KotCzarny | lcuk: on linux? |
| 13:30.14 | lcuk | on device |
| 13:30.16 | lcuk | 810 |
| 13:30.19 | KotCzarny | on linux. |
| 13:30.22 | KotCzarny | use 'date' |
| 13:30.23 | lcuk | yer.. |
| 13:30.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 13:30.56 | KotCzarny | for syntax try: man date |
| 13:31.02 | KotCzarny | or google "man date" |
| 13:31.22 | lcuk | :P -sh: man: not found |
| 13:31.23 | KotCzarny | ^ |
| 13:31.28 | qwerty12_N800 | man date, eh? wayhey :p |
| 13:31.53 | lcuk | good job google knows the answer - i hope the police dont think im looking for a date with a man |
| 13:32.17 | mysc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.33 | qwerty12_N800 | thats hw clock |
| 13:32.37 | KotCzarny | write terrierist few times to cover up :P |
| 13:32.50 | mysc | oh, i thought thats what he wanted |
| 13:33.52 | lcuk | yes, i want to set the global clock on my device to be correct. the interface only allows me to configure minutes |
| 13:34.13 | KotCzarny | ntpdate or rdate should work too |
| 13:34.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:34.21 | KotCzarny | and is much easier to achieve |
| 13:34.25 | mysc | date -s "Sat May 24 08:30:22 EDT 2008" |
| 13:34.28 | mysc | or thereabouts |
| 13:34.30 | gimmal | eg, keep getting "network connection error" from the n810 now, on trying to connect to this box |
| 13:35.39 | lcuk | thanks mysc, the quotes helped, everytime i tried it without it didnt work.. |
| 13:35.52 | KotCzarny | lcuk, i told you, watch for spaces |
| 13:36.05 | gimmal | anyone might know what "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" means when I ifup wlan0? |
| 13:36.23 | KotCzarny | gimmal: probably upping already upped if |
| 13:36.38 | gimmal | nope |
| 13:36.58 | gimmal | if is definitely down before the ifup call |
| 13:37.13 | KotCzarny | how can you tell? |
| 13:37.19 | gimmal | ok, finally once a connection with no errors. doubting the proxy settings will work, but we'll see hehe |
| 13:37.23 | gimmal | KotCzarny: ifconfig hehe |
| 13:38.05 | gimmal | shytte, ok, been having some flatulence of the cortex here. nuked the wmaster0 interfaces config, but didn't carry over the channels setting to the wlan0 config . doh |
| 13:38.22 | lcuk | hurray! i finally compile cleanly |
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| 13:38.47 | K-Fox | HI |
| 13:38.50 | mysc | Kot, i keep forgetting i am testing the bt timeout and i use the kb for some quick thing... |
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| 13:38.52 | gimmal | woo, big blue bar with channel '5' set heh |
| 13:38.52 | KotCzarny | lcuk: compiling yourself? |
| 13:38.54 | mysc | :) |
| 13:39.03 | K-Fox | i have some question |
| 13:39.17 | K-Fox | where is VLC player? |
| 13:39.23 | lcuk | no, just editing in windows with big kb and building cleanly from device |
| 13:39.26 | KotCzarny | mysc: no problem, if i go to sleep just remind me later |
| 13:39.28 | KotCzarny | ~vlc |
| 13:39.29 | infobot | hmm... vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 13:39.34 | KotCzarny | there. |
| 13:39.52 | K-Fox | apt-get vlc? |
| 13:40.06 | qwerty12_N800 | hell no |
| 13:40.10 | qwerty12_N800 | search |
| 13:40.14 | mysc | anyone else waiting for sling player like me? |
| 13:40.18 | qwerty12_N800 | ~itt |
| 13:40.19 | infobot | [itt] the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) |
| 13:40.22 | KotCzarny | what's sling |
| 13:40.31 | qwerty12_N800 | slingbox |
| 13:40.32 | mysc | it's a tv over intet contraption |
| 13:40.33 | gimmal | woo, and getting some dhcpd activity. |
| 13:40.33 | qwerty12_N800 | google |
| 13:40.38 | gimmal | y'all thanks for the help |
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| 13:40.56 | GAN800 | Try HAVA mysc |
| 13:41.06 | GAN800 | I just set mine up. |
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| 13:41.25 | GAN800 | Works with N8x0 |
| 13:41.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: do you know that windows can mangle your files? |
| 13:41.29 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 13:41.30 | mysc | GAN, i already have a slingbox though :( |
| 13:41.55 | GAN800 | Then bitch at the to make a client |
| 13:41.55 | gimmal | fwiw, gdhcpd is *really* convenient |
| 13:42.00 | gimmal | lil dhcpd config app |
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| 13:42.20 | mysc | GAN, thanks for the head's up on hava though |
| 13:42.35 | qwerty12_N800 | mysc, get an s60 phone :p. my friend has slingbox on his... |
| 13:43.14 | mysc | qwerty, yeh, i know other mobile clients exist. the n8x0 is such a natural viewer though... |
| 13:43.49 | qwerty12_N800 | true. except for the epson :/ |
| 13:45.05 | mysc | :| |
| 13:46.03 | Blastur | hey.. im back! with a usb female-to-female adaptor. when i plugin my usb gps, it says "USB device not supported" (after I used usbcontrol to make my n810 an USB host) |
| 13:46.04 | Blastur | what gives? |
| 13:46.15 | mysc | qwerty12, your nick seems very familiar, maybe the bt-mouse thread i was reading last night? |
| 13:46.28 | Blastur | it also says "unable to connect, no filesystem" |
| 13:46.32 | mysc | click again |
| 13:46.35 | mysc | "host" |
| 13:46.51 | qwerty12_N800 | mysc, i'm the same person on itt as on irc :) |
| 13:47.16 | mysc | ah cool. iirc you got the mouse working. was it you who gave me the links last night? |
| 13:47.24 | kkrust1 | can I edit the menus? |
| 13:47.53 | Blastur | mysc, how many times? it keeps spamming a little popup dialog saing "USB device not supported" :) In usbcontrol i see "Bus 001 device 043: Id <long number> Prolific technology inc PL2303 serial port" |
| 13:47.55 | qwerty12_N800 | mysc, oh, that cant have been me :). don't have a mouse :/ |
| 13:48.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Blastur, are right modules insmodded? |
| 13:48.36 | mysc | qwerty, oh ok. you must have been in some other thread i was reading intently for some solution. |
| 13:49.06 | mysc | i just want someone to confirm that they actually have a bt mouse working before i drop $50 on one... |
| 13:49.11 | mysc | :\ |
| 13:49.24 | Blastur | qwerty12_N800, i've inserted usbserial and pl2303 .. they show when i do 'lsmod' |
| 13:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | is using app manager 1.2.1.11 instead of 1.2.1.10 which is latest diablo version. haven't noticed anything new :/ |
| 13:50.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Blastur, not sure then. do you get any new devices under /dev? |
| 13:51.20 | Blastur | lemme try again |
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| 13:52.48 | KotCzarny | night people |
| 13:53.05 | qwerty12_N800 | night |
| 13:53.17 | qwerty12_N800 | (afternoon :p) |
| 13:53.44 | Blastur | yeah, it shows up as /dev/ttyUSB0 qwerty12_N800 .. and i see messages from pl2303 in dmesg saying everything went well. I also see "hub1-0: 100 ma power budget left" and some state messages from the hub |
| 13:53.58 | Blastur | i doubt this battery powered GPS draws much power, the usb conn is only for serial |
| 13:54.12 | Blastur | so it probably reports as 0 mA or something :) |
| 13:54.22 | lcuk | KotCzarny, yes, but the editors i am using respects cr/lf alignment :) this ain't no notepad |
| 13:54.42 | lcuk | damn, nite kot |
| 13:54.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Blastur, Try that device in maemo mapper, if it works, then ignore the error :) |
| 13:55.04 | Blastur | kinda hard to ignore, it pops up as a message on-screen every second |
| 13:55.05 | Blastur | ;) |
| 13:55.20 | Blastur | just like you get a "Connected to WLAN" message when you go online |
| 13:55.28 | Blastur | or load an app it says "Loading ..<appname>" |
| 13:55.31 | Blastur | that kind of popup |
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| 13:55.42 | qwerty12_N800 | eek, kill it :p |
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| 13:58.54 | Blastur | do i need to do something else than using usbcontrol to make the n810 understand its not a slave, and tries to act as a memory storage? |
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| 14:03.01 | [jamez] | anybody know where I can find docs on ruby-maemo? :) |
| 14:03.06 | mysc | what does cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode give? |
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| 14:04.50 | GAN800 | I wonder where alterego disappeared to. . . . |
| 14:04.53 | mysc | hopefully, host. |
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| 14:31.56 | mysc | hi GA :). thanks are in order the caselogic was perfect |
| 14:32.11 | GAN8001 | It's a disturbingly good fit |
| 14:32.19 | mysc | yeah, as if it were made for it |
| 14:32.36 | gimmal | thanks again for the help, folks; n810 over wlan working great now |
| 14:32.45 | mysc | im going to buy some foam (like wirestripping width) to put in it. |
| 14:34.21 | mysc | woah, my nokia just rebooted for no apparent reason |
| 14:34.41 | GAN8001 | Watchdog |
| 14:34.46 | GAN8001 | Something important crashed |
| 14:35.00 | mysc | hrmmm, shit, how can i look at the logs? |
| 14:35.16 | qwerty12_N800 | or if the cpu went really overboard :/ |
| 14:35.30 | GAN8001 | mysc, I wouldn't worry about it, personally. |
| 14:35.36 | qwerty12_N800 | mysc, install syslogd for next time :p |
| 14:35.38 | mysc | it rebooted again....when i tried to ssh to it |
| 14:35.55 | mysc | the only thing i've done is installed bluez-tools-test |
| 14:36.53 | mysc | yep, it's fucked. ssh'ing to it reboots |
| 14:37.11 | qwerty12_N800 | apt-get install ksyslogd |
| 14:37.26 | qwerty12_N800 | cat /var/log/syslog.old |
| 14:37.42 | qwerty12_N800 | see what it says when it gets rebooted |
| 14:38.31 | mysc | it just shuts down. but i saw the battery was low on this last startup. but the charger was in...could that still cause a reboot if it was almost out? |
| 14:39.08 | qwerty12_N800 | "software resets" are 6 according to ftd |
| 14:39.40 | qwerty12_N800 | mysc, if charger is in, it starts up again when it shuts off |
| 14:41.09 | mysc | yeah, that's what it was doing. i figured if charger was in it would operating power from ac... |
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| 14:44.47 | mysc | johnx should really be commended, this debian port is starting to look really good... |
| 14:45.48 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i haven't had a chance to try it for a while, i need to fix my diablo initfs... :/ |
| 14:46.19 | RST38h | read "diabolic initfs" |
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| 14:50.03 | kkrust1 | is there a working release of kismet for the n800? |
| 14:51.32 | kkrust1 | i believe this must be the most commonly asked question here |
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| 14:51.51 | RST38h | there is. |
| 14:52.05 | kkrust1 | RST38h: really? |
| 14:53.57 | RST38h | http://www.kismetwireless.net/blog/index.php?entry=/kismet/entry-1201806039.txt |
| 14:54.52 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=162213&postcount=108 |
| 14:57.11 | kkrust1 | RST38h: cool. Thanks. Have the 'beta packages' been released? |
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| 15:04.50 | gimmal | w00t fbreader supports project gutenberg etexts, it appears; edgar rice burroughs on an n810, "classic" and "modern" in some sort of a mix, groovin |
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| 15:06.02 | lopz | hi |
| 15:06.27 | mysc | gimmal, did my ad-hoc suggestion pan out? |
| 15:07.51 | WorkingOnWise | I just read this article, http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14046 , that says microb will still be based on firefox 3 a1 in Diablo? Please tell me thats wrong soeone. |
| 15:07.54 | gimmal | mysc: it looks like it. fwiw, it looks like the final problem was that I hadn't set an wlan channel on the interface -- had assumed the thing could automatically assume one, bad idea I realize :^)> |
| 15:08.17 | mysc | yeh, i suggested 5 but use whichever is least used in your area |
| 15:08.30 | gimmal | explicitly setting the essid gives me an idea, though, to keep different essids for when the box is running vista, and when it's running linux - have to use different proxy configs on each, it seems |
| 15:09.03 | GAN8001 | WorkingOnWise, they didn't have time to merge trunk with MicroB for Diablo |
| 15:09.14 | GAN8001 | It is about twice as fast on JS as Chinook, though |
| 15:09.18 | GAN8001 | Flash is faster, too |
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| 15:09.40 | gimmal | mysc: sorry, had trouble remembering your screen nic ;^)> |
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| 15:09.48 | GAN8001 | So there's not no improvement, it's just not as significant as it might've been |
| 15:10.03 | gimmal | "lxdoom successfully installed", man that's nice to see |
| 15:10.16 | mysc | yeah i was on #paste :) |
| 15:10.26 | GAN8001 | They're on track for merging with trunk (and a much better FF3 once it hits final) for Diablo+1, though |
| 15:10.34 | GAN8001 | which may come sooner than you think with SSU |
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| 15:10.56 | mysc | will the new os upgrades be n8x0? |
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| 15:11.06 | GAN8001 | If it's really a HUGE issue, you can either download Navi's svn version of libgtkmozembed or compile it yourself (since that one's a little out of date) |
| 15:11.17 | GAN8001 | mysc, it's OS2008.2 |
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| 15:11.31 | GAN8001 | or OS2008.1, depending on how you look at it. |
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| 15:12.37 | WorkingOnWise | GAN8001 but Diablo will allow individual app updates right? I.e. If someone updates microb, we can install that update without a reflash, right? |
| 15:13.00 | GAN8001 | Yes, technically |
| 15:13.15 | qwerty12 | is such a fuckwit. I can't remember how I removed the stupid nokia legal message in the chinook app manager. I want to do it for the diablo version. |
| 15:13.15 | GAN8001 | But I'm not clear on the administrative policy on that |
| 15:14.05 | GAN8001 | WorkingOnWise, part of it, too, is that the beta/rc releases weren't quite up-to-snuff for merging yet. |
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| 15:19.55 | WorkingOnWise | GAN8001 - I'm hoping for a fully implemented flash capability so I can use the N800 camera on websites that ar built to do that. From what I can gather, it is a microb issue. |
| 15:20.26 | GAN8001 | It's not |
| 15:20.30 | GAN8001 | It's an Adobe issue |
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| 15:21.42 | WorkingOnWise | Maybe it is over my head too far, but why does the issue show on the microb browser but not any others (Firefox 2 or 3, and IE) |
| 15:22.36 | GAN8001 | IE runs on N800s now? |
| 15:22.49 | GAN8001 | You have Flash working in Minefield? |
| 15:23.13 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, Try actually using Linux instead of Windows ;) |
| 15:23.19 | WorkingOnWise | lol...no. I'm saying, I dont have the webcam problem on any browser but the N800's in OS2008 |
| 15:23.21 | qwerty12 | You may notice that the same issue exists. |
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| 15:23.43 | GAN8001 | WorkingOnWise, how does that make it a MicroB issue? |
| 15:23.51 | GAN8001 | Adobe doesn't support the N8x0's webcam |
| 15:23.54 | GAN8001 | It's as simple as that. |
| 15:24.11 | qwerty12 | Actually, it's more of general Linux problem. |
| 15:24.23 | qwerty12 | Adobe doesn't support V4L2. |
| 15:24.26 | WorkingOnWise | GAN8001 well, the only place the trouble exists in in microb |
| 15:24.56 | GAN8001 | and your sample size? |
| 15:25.07 | GAN8001 | You've tested it with how many browsers on Linux? |
| 15:25.10 | GAN8001 | ;) |
| 15:25.13 | WorkingOnWise | 4 |
| 15:25.47 | WorkingOnWise | firefox 2 and 3 alpha5, rc1, and ie6 (via ies4linux |
| 15:25.52 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19855 |
| 15:26.14 | astromme_ | qwerty12: you mentioned that you have a patched qemu that doesn't throw the syscall errors? |
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| 15:26.24 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180093&postcount=11 - THE HORROR! |
| 15:26.26 | astromme_ | qwerty12: this is wolf08 btw |
| 15:26.38 | qwerty12 | astromme_, ahh, didn't you catch my post? |
| 15:26.55 | qwerty12 | I think I deleted it for some reason :/ |
| 15:27.03 | astromme_ | I didn't see it =/. |
| 15:27.17 | astromme_ | I got a notification via email that somone had posted, but when I went there nothing was there |
| 15:27.37 | nn800nn | what's the clock + memory + cpu in that pic called? |
| 15:27.44 | nn800nn | status bar |
| 15:27.55 | GAN8001 | osso-statusbar-cpu |
| 15:27.58 | GAN8001 | Should be in Extras |
| 15:28.07 | nn800nn | ok |
| 15:28.11 | qwerty12 | prefers statusbar clock with load applet. |
| 15:28.22 | nn800nn | this seems to take less space |
| 15:28.40 | qwerty12 | osso-statusbar-cpu's killing abilities suck. |
| 15:29.05 | GAN8001 | nn800nn, you have advanced-backlight? |
| 15:29.30 | nn800nn | i normally do |
| 15:29.34 | GAN8001 | lol |
| 15:29.35 | nn800nn | tho not atm |
| 15:29.41 | GAN8001 | Somebody really screwed up the mediawiki frontpage |
| 15:30.25 | WorkingOnWise | so do I understand this GAN8001? the issue is that flash doesnt do v4l2, and the IT's dont do v4l. |
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| 15:30.42 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, Why should they? |
| 15:30.45 | qwerty12 | v4l is gone |
| 15:30.54 | qwerty12 | out of the window. killed off etc |
| 15:32.06 | nn800nn | is there another file manager i can use other than the default? |
| 15:32.15 | nn800nn | one that lets me sees everything |
| 15:32.20 | nn800nn | -s |
| 15:32.22 | qwerty12 | emelfm2 |
| 15:32.27 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: not saying they should or shouldn't, just getting clear on why I cant use my webcam the way I want to. |
| 15:32.31 | nn800nn | ah i remember seeing that |
| 15:32.45 | GAN800 | xterm |
| 15:34.08 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, The fault solely lies with Adobe. Don't get me wrong, if Nokia mess up on something, i'm the first to blame nokia and say they suck but I really can't say that this time. |
| 15:35.58 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: so the solution is either get a commercial, closed, pigheaded company to step up to current methods, of impliment v4l on the N800. Whic I might be able to figure out.... |
| 15:38.19 | GAN800 | Or talk Nokia into dropping tons of cash on v4l2 Flash support. |
| 15:38.22 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, I've enabled v4l on the N800 via the kernel. I get a omap24xxwebcam but I still can't do anything with it. Linux computers (mostly) have the same problem. They have to use flashcam, just like us. |
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| 15:40.56 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: last question because I think I' in over my head and dont like to waste too much of you guys time. Why does it work flawlesly in 45 linux distros, but not the N8x0? If I were to successfully instal Ubuntu Gutsy, on the N800, would I have my solution? |
| 15:41.49 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, No. The camera will still be a v4l2 device no matter what distro you use. |
| 15:41.51 | RST38h | WOW: No |
| 15:42.15 | RST38h | WOW: OMAP24x0 webcam will only work if there is a proper driver available |
| 15:42.26 | RST38h | As there is no proper driver available, it will not work. |
| 15:42.40 | RST38h | Is it a clear answer to your question? |
| 15:43.00 | WorkingOnWise | for as much as I understand linux drivers, yeah :) |
| 15:43.02 | WorkingOnWise | thanks |
| 15:44.26 | WorkingOnWise | I think I'll try to ha;0ck in a more flash friendly cam in place of the built in one. I'm better with electronics than with lines of code. |
| 15:45.11 | qwerty12 | You'll need lines of code to support your new webcam ;) |
| 15:45.49 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: I'm hoping it will be a simple port from existing drivers for that part of it :D |
| 15:47.21 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, Hehe. But you'll probably end up breaking every other camera application on the tablets :/ |
| 15:48.45 | gimmal | w00t. the openssh installer allows you to set a root password |
| 15:48.57 | gimmal | saves the trouble of downloading becomeroot & all :^))> |
| 15:48.59 | WorkingOnWise | my only use for the cam on the IT is skype and web apps. The built in cam is just to low res and noisy for anything else |
| 15:49.16 | WorkingOnWise | on a related note, is there any reason, once the drivers and physical wiring is hammered out, that the N8x0 would have a problem with a 2 or 3MP webcam? |
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| 15:51.38 | astromme_ | Well, the cpu might not be up to the task of viewing it live and working with it. I dunno |
| 15:51.42 | GAN800 | WorkingOnWise, no, the OMAP supports up to 4-6 I believe. |
| 15:51.49 | GAN800 | 12 on the OMAP |
| 15:51.54 | astromme_ | ^^I've been corrected |
| 15:52.06 | GAN800 | Though I'm no sure how heavily that relies on the IVA |
| 15:52.26 | GAN800 | Not entirely, astromme. :P |
| 15:52.30 | WorkingOnWise | nice...that would be a good digital cam with a real fiwe screen! :D |
| 15:52.39 | WorkingOnWise | view |
| 15:52.42 | GAN800 | It's not a hardware issue, but a software one. |
| 15:53.02 | gimmal | digs those cool design decisions, like the root-password-setup-on-ssh-install, and the way the maemo battery indicator does its little moving thing when the n8x0 is charging :^) |
| 15:53.04 | GAN800 | Either way, I have high hopes for the N900. |
| 15:53.13 | gimmal | apple just doesn't think like that -- i'm not all joking there |
| 15:53.33 | astromme_ | =P |
| 15:53.34 | GAN800 | Apple's mobile stuff sucks. |
| 15:53.37 | nn800nn | is there a way to make advanced backlight close the little control panel it opens once you click elsewhere (like the original display applet), or is it something hardcoded? |
| 15:53.47 | GAN800 | but I <3 OS X |
| 15:53.48 | WorkingOnWise | thanks for all the help to this partial clueless n00b today ppl. |
| 15:54.15 | GAN800 | nn800nn, if you want to figure out how Nokia puts those sliders in those containers. |
| 15:54.16 | qwerty12 | puts my celery in the blue cheese that is Linux :p |
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| 15:54.24 | astromme_ | ^^ =) |
| 15:54.33 | gimmal | wishes firefox/iceweasel/wth-else-on-gecko would notice the "content length" header on pages, and not STOP downloading UNTIL the content it has downloaded does MATCH that oh-so-convenient byte value |
| 15:54.46 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: don't use that analogy, blue cheese is gross |
| 15:54.50 | Navi | It's totally microb-gtkmozembed now |
| 15:54.52 | GAN800 | It's an issue with the type of container rm_you had to use. |
| 15:55.01 | gimmal | also, a built-in download manager supporting 'restart' would be nice |
| 15:55.16 | GAN800 | Navi, have you compiled the latest svn? |
| 15:55.21 | gimmal | hey, anyone know if the download manage for the browser on the n810 supports 'restart'? |
| 15:55.30 | Navi | GAN800, there's another later svn? |
| 15:55.39 | GAN800 | There's not? |
| 15:55.44 | GAN800 | OK |
| 15:55.45 | qwerty12 | There is? :P |
| 15:55.47 | qwerty12 | :O |
| 15:55.49 | Navi | I haven't checked |
| 15:55.55 | GAN800 | zomg confuzion! |
| 15:56.17 | GAN800 | svn > Diablo MicroB |
| 15:56.29 | GAN800 | To anybody interested. |
| 15:56.39 | Navi | It's called microb-gtkmozembed in the build I built :P |
| 15:56.44 | qwerty12 | GAN800, w00t :) |
| 15:56.54 | qwerty12 | If Navi doesn't do it. I'll end up doing it :D |
| 15:57.23 | GAN800 | Somebody should compile and package it. |
| 15:57.26 | qwerty12 | Diablo MicroB really sucks compared to Chinook + Navi SVN's build. |
| 15:57.38 | GAN800 | Sadly. |
| 15:57.55 | GAN800 | The two big N800 bugs are being fixed, thankfully. |
| 15:58.22 | GAN800 | qwerty12 be sure to toss any bugs you find to timeless or onto bugzilla. |
| 15:58.48 | GAN800 | We want to knock as many as possible down before release. ;) |
| 15:59.17 | qwerty12 | Will do :). But TBH, I'm not sure what is a bug anymore :? |
| 15:59.22 | Navi | I'll check if there's a new revision |
| 15:59.25 | qwerty12 | s/:?:/:// |
| 16:00.17 | GAN800 | Yeah, a lot of the issues with svn v Diablo are more etheria? :/ |
| 16:00.26 | GAN800 | s/?/./ |
| 16:00.36 | GAN800 | +l |
| 16:00.47 | GAN800 | lerns 2 finger keyboard. |
| 16:01.11 | qwerty12 | Why won't nokia compile it themselves and give us SSU updates? It's already beta, running SVN won't kill me. |
| 16:01.25 | GAN800 | administrative issues |
| 16:01.35 | GAN800 | But svn isn't on track for Diablo. |
| 16:01.55 | GAN800 | So the Diablo MicroB has already been frozem as far as features go. |
| 16:01.59 | qwerty12 | nods |
| 16:02.04 | qwerty12 | Ta for clearing that up. |
| 16:02.41 | GAN800 | Yeah, pretty much everything irritating about maemo can be filed under 'administrative issues'. |
| 16:02.52 | qwerty12 | has done the first part of removing the diablo application manager legal message :) |
| 16:03.05 | GAN800 | Part of the problem with big corporate involvement. |
| 16:03.05 | qwerty12 | Now I just need to remove it when you install deb files locally. |
| 16:03.51 | GAN800 | You get the big resources, but you also get the big beaurocract. |
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| 16:07.40 | astromme_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.47 | astromme_ | And that can be really annoying |
| 16:07.49 | qwerty12 | brb, need to reboot into windows for a little something I compiled for my N800 :) |
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| 16:09.48 | GAN8001 | I'm just thankful we've got the maemo guys on our side to help ameliorate the effect. |
| 16:10.35 | GAN8001 | It's unfortunate that so many people blame the maemo guys for so much of the trouble |
| 16:10.53 | GAN8001 | when it's really the Nokia management and the maemo guys are the ones fighting our battle on the inside. . . . |
| 16:11.39 | GAN8001 | is so glad that Vagalume is in Extras. |
| 16:11.45 | Navi | mhm |
| 16:11.46 | GAN8001 | One repository down, 2 dozen to go. |
| 16:11.59 | Navi | installed |
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| 16:22.12 | nn800nn | http://kob.com/article/stories/S451152.shtml?cat=517 |
| 16:24.04 | summatusmentis | There are people who are sensitive to that sort of ting |
| 16:24.06 | summatusmentis | thing* |
| 16:24.29 | qwerty12_N800 | nsfw? |
| 16:24.32 | summatusmentis | now, whether or not they should be catered to is different, but it is a viable problem |
| 16:24.36 | summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: sfw |
| 16:24.50 | qwerty12_N800 | ah :) |
| 16:25.28 | nn800nn | how do you know? because it doesn't really makes sense |
| 16:25.33 | nn800nn | unless you're an insect |
| 16:26.00 | summatusmentis | how do I know that people are sensitive? |
| 16:26.11 | nn800nn | to emf |
| 16:26.40 | summatusmentis | I've met someone who is still using a very old cell, and will not be purchasing a new one when his goes, because the newer ones give him headaches |
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| 16:27.57 | nn800nn | i think there's a greater chance it's psychosomatic, otherwise you'd see millions of people hurting left and right |
| 16:28.05 | nn800nn | considering radio's been around forever |
| 16:28.32 | GAN8001 | ^ |
| 16:29.07 | summatusmentis | http://www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html |
| 16:31.37 | summatusmentis | wiki seems to say it's psychosomatic, like you were saying |
| 16:32.58 | qwerty12_N800 | goes back into linux :), w00t |
| 16:33.36 | summatusmentis | is there a list of 'best apps' for the N810? or something like it? |
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| 16:35.42 | nn800nn | i'm not sure |
| 16:35.51 | nn800nn | thanks for the article, it was pretty interesting |
| 16:36.09 | nn800nn | but still doesn't exclude psychosomatic i think |
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| 16:36.18 | qwerty12 | Who knows a networked windows computer and knows the password? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=185481#post185481 :p |
| 16:36.31 | qwerty12 | Can't wait to try this out in school... |
| 16:37.00 | qwerty12 | I had SO much fun suspending the winlogon process on so much computers :p |
| 16:37.20 | GAN800 | Ass |
| 16:37.31 | GAN800 | Hi, ssvb |
| 16:37.33 | nn800nn | jerk |
| 16:37.46 | qwerty12 | hehe, keep the compliments coming :p |
| 16:37.47 | ssvb | hi |
| 16:39.31 | summatusmentis | nn800nn: I agree, and I'm not saying cater to these people's any needs, but it is something to keep in mind |
| 16:39.49 | GAN8001 | qwerty12 == r-tard :P |
| 16:39.49 | nn800nn | yup |
| 16:40.24 | qwerty12 | GAN800, Why thank you :) |
| 16:41.09 | nn800nn | hey um what can i edit the mce.ini with? |
| 16:41.14 | GAN8001 | vi |
| 16:41.18 | nn800nn | or any ini on the n800 |
| 16:41.20 | qwerty12 | On one guys computer, I kept on loading a pron site 99 times :p |
| 16:41.37 | summatusmentis | a debian chroot says to use a non-hildon wm. Does this mean that one can't use the normal Nokia interface? |
| 16:41.40 | GAN8001 | qwerty12 is such a script kiddie |
| 16:41.47 | summatusmentis | or is it only the wm for the chroot? |
| 16:42.21 | qwerty12 | GAN8001, Of course :P. You know I can't program for s*** :P |
| 16:42.57 | lcuk | does anyone know if mpeg files can be built up of entirely uncompressed frames. i will recompress later and dont care about filesize |
| 16:43.07 | nn800nn | hey i'm trying to unbind the hardware key for rotation, has anyone here done that? |
| 16:43.21 | qwerty12 | Are you using autorotate? |
| 16:43.29 | qwerty12 | That thing by emjayes? |
| 16:43.39 | nn800nn | i don't know who it's by |
| 16:43.49 | nn800nn | i have the rotation icon |
| 16:43.59 | nn800nn | and the power button is hooked up to rotation |
| 16:44.07 | nn800nn | which is annoying to me |
| 16:44.24 | nn800nn | yes, emjayes |
| 16:44.25 | qwerty12 | Yeah, that's autorotate. Remove it and learn how to set up rotation yourself ;) :P |
| 16:44.28 | nn800nn | confirmado |
| 16:44.37 | nn800nn | no |
| 16:44.44 | qwerty12 | even compiled custom kernel with rotation in it |
| 16:45.21 | nn800nn | so you don't know |
| 16:45.26 | nn800nn | admit it |
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| 16:45.29 | astromme_ | wonders if his toolchain is broken |
| 16:45.31 | ssamppa | hello |
| 16:45.36 | astromme_ | omfg |
| 16:45.46 | astromme_ | ok, so now I'm trying a clib gcc 4.1 toolchain |
| 16:45.55 | astromme_ | CMake Error: Qt compiled without support for -fvisibility=hidden. This will break plugins and linking of someapplications. Please fix your Qt installation. |
| 16:45.59 | astromme_ | wtf |
| 16:46.01 | qwerty12 | nn800nn, Nope. But I know how to install rotation without any hardware keys. |
| 16:46.01 | ssamppa | is it possible to get newer gettext for scratchbox? |
| 16:46.05 | astromme_ | I've never gotten that |
| 16:46.12 | qwerty12 | astromme_, I've got gcc 4 installed :) |
| 16:46.25 | qwerty12 | part of cs's 2008 toolchain |
| 16:46.50 | summatusmentis | the N810 doesn't have accelerometers does it? |
| 16:47.07 | qwerty12 | No, but you can plug in usb "tilt-stick" |
| 16:47.09 | GAN800 | no. |
| 16:47.46 | summatusmentis | ok, so all rotation needs to be done by mapping it to something then |
| 16:47.58 | GAN800 | Somebody should build one just small enough to stick on the usb port behind the battery cover. |
| 16:48.01 | lcuk | could we squash a stick inside the case somewhere? |
| 16:48.10 | lcuk | lol gan :) |
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| 16:48.54 | lcuk | even an extended battery cover wouldnt be bad (and it could house a larger battery at same time |
| 16:49.25 | lcuk | but you cant expect ppl to use the standard usb - its ugly as feck and the stand doesnt close when in use |
| 16:49.33 | astromme_ | qwerty: cs's 2008 toolchain? |
| 16:50.01 | astromme_ | And... omfg.... I'm almost ready to put a full debian environment on my n800 just to build in... gah |
| 16:50.12 | qwerty12 | To be exact: arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 |
| 16:50.19 | qwerty12 | cs = code sourcery |
| 16:50.41 | astromme_ | arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004 |
| 16:50.48 | astromme_ | that's what I was using.. uh oh |
| 16:50.52 | astromme_ | 2 years old |
| 16:50.59 | qwerty12 | "gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126)" - my gcc version |
| 16:51.02 | astromme_ | How do I build/get the 2008? |
| 16:51.53 | qwerty12 | This one took me a while and KotCzarny to set up but: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1_1.0.8~20080421173500-1_i386.deb |
| 16:55.21 | nn800nn | wasn't there an app that would let me become root easily |
| 16:56.10 | GAN8001 | easyroot |
| 16:56.12 | GAN8001 | ~easyroot |
| 16:56.13 | infobot | it has been said that easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 16:56.21 | nn800nn | ty |
| 16:56.22 | GAN8001 | 'root' |
| 16:56.24 | GAN8001 | In xterm |
| 16:57.30 | astromme_ | infobot. Heh |
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| 17:00.44 | nn800nn | root: not found |
| 17:01.06 | qwerty12 | Arrg! I've removed the legal message when I install a file from a repo with the diablo application manager but now I need to remember what code I changed to make it do it for local deb files. |
| 17:01.16 | qwerty12 | nn800nn, Tried installing easyroot first? |
| 17:01.57 | nn800nn | hah |
| 17:02.00 | nn800nn | yeah |
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| 17:02.20 | qwerty12 | Then "root" should work. Try sudo gainroot. |
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| 17:03.31 | borism_ | 19:47 < summatusmentis> ok, so all rotation needs to be done by mapping it to something then |
| 17:03.34 | nn800nn | root shell enabled |
| 17:03.45 | nn800nn | but i still can't edit the .ini file i wanted |
| 17:03.52 | ssamppa | is it possible to somehow install newer gettext for scratchbox ? |
| 17:04.14 | borism_ | summatusmentis: in good light you can do rotation with camera |
| 17:04.41 | nn800nn | permission denied |
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| 17:05.34 | vdepizzol | Hello. Can I connect my n810 to the internet with an USB cable connected to a computer? :) |
| 17:05.49 | astromme_ | Wow, I miss my 8mbps cable |
| 17:06.06 | astromme_ | You would need to do some stuff with iptables iirc |
| 17:06.11 | astromme_ | a mascarade |
| 17:06.18 | nn800nn | ok, then how do i rename /etc/mce/mce.ini to something else from xterm? |
| 17:06.19 | astromme_ | or, you could bridge the usb and eth0 connections |
| 17:06.22 | qwerty12 | Plus run a dns server on computer etc |
| 17:06.29 | summatusmentis | borism_: oh... well, that's not always, the case, obviously :) but that's still really cool |
| 17:06.32 | nn800nn | i can't do it from emelfm2 |
| 17:06.38 | astromme_ | querty12: true |
| 17:06.47 | astromme_ | vdepizzol: are you running linux? |
| 17:06.54 | vdepizzol | astromme_: yes |
| 17:07.25 | astromme_ | do you still need to be able to access the tablet with the usb ip it already has (i.e. 192.168.2.15) or can it get a new one? |
| 17:08.07 | qwerty12 | I've never tried it but there is information in maemo wiki and on Kate Alhola's blog. |
| 17:08.38 | astromme_ | assuming you have eth0 as your internet ethernet device and usb0 as your usb device |
| 17:08.42 | astromme_ | all you should need to do is this |
| 17:08.51 | astromme_ | brctl addbr br0 |
| 17:08.53 | astromme_ | brctl addif br0 eth0 |
| 17:09.00 | astromme_ | brtcl addif br0 usb0 |
| 17:09.05 | astromme_ | ifconfig br0 up |
| 17:09.31 | vdepizzol | hmm |
| 17:09.41 | vdepizzol | astromme_: let me try that, 1min |
| 17:09.46 | astromme_ | and then a 'dhclient3 br0' |
| 17:09.53 | astromme_ | err, wait one more sec |
| 17:10.01 | astromme_ | are you using ubuntu/debian? |
| 17:10.02 | vdepizzol | ok |
| 17:10.03 | vdepizzol | :) |
| 17:10.09 | astromme_ | or a .rpm distro? |
| 17:10.11 | vdepizzol | astromme_: yep, ubuntu |
| 17:10.14 | astromme_ | ok |
| 17:10.33 | astromme_ | then you should be good. Make sure each of the commands is prefixed with sudo |
| 17:10.38 | astromme_ | if it gets all screwed up |
| 17:10.43 | astromme_ | reboot your computer =P |
| 17:10.50 | vdepizzol | astromme_: right :P |
| 17:10.52 | astromme_ | it'll all reset itself |
| 17:11.03 | vdepizzol | hahaha |
| 17:11.28 | vdepizzol | astromme_: there's no chance to screw up the n810, right? :D |
| 17:11.47 | astromme_ | No.. oh, you're doing all of these commands on your ubuntu computer, not your n810 |
| 17:12.03 | vdepizzol | :) |
| 17:12.03 | astromme_ | Does the n810 have a dhcp client? I assume it does |
| 17:12.06 | astromme_ | because at the very end |
| 17:12.21 | astromme_ | you'll need to get an address on the n810 via dhcp... |
| 17:12.57 | vdepizzol | how do I do this? |
| 17:13.13 | astromme_ | Hmm.. it should be very similar to the ubuntu command dhclient3 usb0 |
| 17:13.22 | astromme_ | might be the same... dunno what the debian command name is |
| 17:13.29 | astromme_ | (maemo is based on debian) |
| 17:13.50 | vdepizzol | ok |
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| 17:14.02 | Proteous | DHCP IS JUST LIKE MAGIC |
| 17:14.07 | Proteous | EVIL MAGIC |
| 17:14.17 | vdepizzol | :P |
| 17:14.18 | Proteous | the kind that turns you into a newt |
| 17:14.25 | Proteous | but you don't get better |
| 17:14.38 | qwerty12 | Someone get Proteous of the Harry Potter drug :p |
| 17:14.43 | Knirch | I like the odd dhcp options <3 default irc server et all |
| 17:14.46 | astromme_ | The concept is this. You're bridging your eth0 and usb0 connections. Anything coming in on usb0 will get sent on eth0, etc... |
| 17:14.49 | GAN800 | How's the 770 Proteous? |
| 17:14.57 | Proteous | WSODed |
| 17:15.14 | GAN800 | You send it in yet? |
| 17:15.23 | astromme_ | your n810 will *think* that it's on your normal ethernet network |
| 17:15.26 | Proteous | no |
| 17:15.43 | GAN800 | Lazy. |
| 17:17.48 | nn800nn | man i wish i'd known about fsck a week ago, would have spared me so much boredom. |
| 17:19.17 | astromme_ | vdepizzol: aha. on the tablet it's called udhcpc. run it with (as root) 'udhcpc -i usb0' |
| 17:19.46 | astromme_ | blargh.... I'm not happy with 30KB/s but I guess it's better than dialup |
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| 17:21.02 | lopz | mm as I view the HTML of a page? I'm using gtkmozembed+python |
| 17:21.38 | nn800nn | how do i rename /etc/mce/mce.ini to something else from xterm? |
| 17:21.48 | GAN800 | Proteous, send that ish in so you can get an N800. :P |
| 17:21.56 | GAN800 | mv old new |
| 17:21.59 | Proteous | I don't think they are going to send me a n800 |
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| 17:22.13 | GAN800 | Pessimist! |
| 17:22.15 | Proteous | heh |
| 17:22.27 | GAN800 | They may pay you, or send you a new 770 |
| 17:22.38 | nn800nn | qwerty123 |
| 17:22.43 | GAN800 | Both options are better than a broken one. |
| 17:22.44 | Proteous | mv /etc/mce/mce.ini /etc/mce/othername |
| 17:23.01 | n800n | ty |
| 17:23.03 | Proteous | np |
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| 17:29.17 | astromme_ | gah... |
| 17:29.19 | astromme_ | CMake Error: Qt compiled without support for -fvisibility=hidden. This will break plugins and linking of someapplications. Please fix your Qt installation. |
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| 17:32.24 | n800n | hm weird, i renamed mce.ini to mce.ini_old and it still gets read |
| 17:33.17 | qwerty12_N800 | I wouldn't restart if i was you and no /etc/mce/mce.ini isn't there. |
| 17:33.33 | n800n | there is one |
| 17:34.01 | n800n | installing the emajay roation thing made a backup of the original |
| 17:34.12 | qwerty12_N800 | Why would mce.ini_old get read then? |
| 17:34.22 | n800n | i don't know. |
| 17:34.49 | n800n | unless the keybinding isn't in the mce.ini |
| 17:34.58 | n800n | looks like it it's there tho |
| 17:35.20 | astromme_ | ok, wtf.. I'm disabling that warning because I don't trust it. This is probably not one of my smarter moves. |
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| 17:36.23 | flo_lap | re |
| 17:37.00 | n800n | what's metalayer-crawler do? |
| 17:39.15 | astromme_ | And the moment of truth comes.... I'm back to compiling |
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| 17:40.10 | GAN800 | n800n indexes media for Media player |
| 17:40.27 | GAN800 | http://flickr.com/photos/26164523@N04/sets/72157605232321115/ |
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| 17:40.41 | n800n | seems to be kind of a cpu hog with a 16 Gb card |
| 17:40.55 | astromme_ | and... error at 0%.. back to stage one |
| 17:41.11 | practisevoodoo | anyone got any tips on getting a gps connection? hold it upside down, stand on one leg, anything? |
| 17:41.20 | GAN800 | If you've got recursive symlinks or a corrupt card it'll give you trouble. |
| 17:42.20 | n800n | can i just rename it? i can't seem to kill it |
| 17:42.39 | n800n | oh, found a thread about it |
| 17:43.56 | astromme_ | We're getting to the second moment of truth here. If sb can manage to link libraries.. I'll jump for joy |
| 17:45.47 | astromme_ | Oh wow, I wonder if the (nodev) option for my fs has an effect.... |
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| 17:48.52 | n800n | a time-shifting device |
| 17:48.58 | n800n | awesome |
| 17:50.22 | fireun | so reading the maemo dev site, it appears that I need to use the scratchbox-script, the SDK-install-script and the binaries-install-script, then install xephyr-xserver, then install the dev-jffs on my maemo device - to really get the dev environment setup for building apps for the target... that sound about right? |
| 17:51.15 | fireun | or is there a better approach? |
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| 17:53.48 | beford | lopz, ping |
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| 18:07.15 | astromme | Woah, that was weird |
| 18:07.33 | astromme | X decided to hard lock on a switch to a virtual terminal with ctrl-alt-shift-f1 |
| 18:07.37 | RST38h | fireun: there is a better approach |
| 18:07.47 | RST38h | fireun: Install ssh server on your device |
| 18:08.00 | fireun | yes? |
| 18:08.01 | astromme | I tried ssh =/ |
| 18:08.04 | astromme | oh lol |
| 18:08.16 | astromme | you weren't talking to me (although it would have worked =/) |
| 18:08.17 | RST38h | fireun: 1. Compile executable using scratchbox; 2) scp executable to the device; 3) ssh to device and run executable |
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| 18:08.47 | fireun | RST38h: setting up the xepher xserver will allow for better debugging tho? |
| 18:08.55 | RST38h | fireun: not really |
| 18:08.58 | fireun | RST38h: no doubt final testing will be on the device... |
| 18:09.10 | RST38h | fireun: even initial testing is better be done on the device |
| 18:09.15 | zuh | RST38h: Yes really, if you want to use tools like valgrind |
| 18:09.21 | RST38h | Doing it on QEmu is brain-damaged |
| 18:09.27 | astromme | exactly |
| 18:09.29 | fireun | RST38h: yes |
| 18:09.32 | astromme | so you do it in the x86 sb |
| 18:09.45 | astromme | and then when you've got all of the valgrind/debugging done |
| 18:09.49 | RST38h | astromme: and later find out that it does not work on armel |
| 18:09.54 | fireun | heh |
| 18:09.59 | astromme | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.11 | fireun | "why wont my floating point math work!?!" |
| 18:10.40 | fireun | what, is porting POV to maemo not a good idea? (j/k) |
| 18:10.48 | RST38h | that will be the least of your problems |
| 18:10.56 | fireun | "it only took 3 months for povray to render a sphere!" |
| 18:11.13 | RST38h | more funny one will be not being able to read data from unaligned addresses |
| 18:11.19 | RST38h | x86 has no problems with that |
| 18:11.36 | fireun | but seriously, best start is using the maemo-sdk-install script as root to build the basic sb env? |
| 18:11.37 | RST38h | arm will either coredump (if you are lucky) or read bullshit (normally) |
| 18:11.55 | RST38h | is using MaemoSDK+ |
| 18:12.00 | fireun | RST38h: its been awhile, but I used to code for embedded systems |
| 18:12.00 | wolfspirit | not sure if this is the right place to ask this or not but I |
| 18:12.00 | wolfspirit | can't seem to get virtualaboy advances to run any games i am trying maio world and golden sun... I am on 2008 OS and have a nokia n800 |
| 18:12.35 | RST38h | fireun: then you know what I mean |
| 18:12.55 | fireun | RST38h: or will soon remember, rather than be dumbfounded |
| 18:13.29 | RST38h | wolf: Are you inserting the cartridge right? |
| 18:13.34 | fireun | heh |
| 18:14.04 | lopz | beford, pong |
| 18:14.07 | fireun | RST38h: why MaemoSDK+ over the "standard" |
| 18:14.39 | RST38h | fireun: runs from the standard Ubuntu linux, no need to separately "login" to SDK |
| 18:14.49 | fireun | thats a good reason |
| 18:14.53 | RST38h | has much less problematic installation and uses less space |
| 18:15.01 | wolfspirit | Cartridge... Very funny |
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| 18:16.02 | RST38h | you can build Maemo, Unix, etc. versions of your software from the same directory tree, just use different makefiles |
| 18:16.14 | RST38h | with the original SDK you had to have a copy of the tree inside the sdk |
| 18:17.49 | fireun | RST38h: yes, this feels much more like the typical cross-compiling environment I'm more used to |
| 18:18.04 | fireun | more 'sane' |
| 18:20.59 | RST38h | Just follow instructions to the letter: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html |
| 18:21.35 | fireun | already on it, thanks |
| 18:23.03 | fireun | whats up with the "Install these packages without verification?" bit |
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| 18:25.23 | RST38h | I think it will print you a warning that the packages cannot be verified |
| 18:25.28 | RST38h | disregard it |
| 18:26.21 | fireun | <shrug> |
| 18:27.09 | fireun | got any recommendations for simple projects to test the build env with? Something I can plop a source tree down and build,copy, run? |
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| 18:28.15 | fireun | ah, heh, if I read the page all the way to the end, they give me the maemopad example, sorry |
| 18:28.20 | fireun | that'll do |
| 18:28.58 | RST38h | fireun: try fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ |
| 18:29.11 | RST38h | there is a Maemo project in the source code distribution |
| 18:29.43 | RST38h | it differs form maemopad by not using the autoconf/automake stuff |
| 18:30.59 | fireun | RST38h: I've only got a 2007 770, so colem wont work |
| 18:32.00 | RST38h | it may, if you change a few dependencies |
| 18:32.13 | fireun | which may be problematic, I'm debating doing some dev for a client for the nokia, which is where all this started from. |
| 18:32.33 | RST38h | colem does not do anything special but you will need to downgrade a few packages it requests in the makefile |
| 18:32.54 | fireun | RST38h: I'm aiming low to start, something simple. |
| 18:32.56 | RST38h | ask the client to buy you the latest hw |
| 18:33.05 | fireun | RST38h: the client has several 770s and 800s |
| 18:33.10 | RST38h | downgrading packages IS simpler |
| 18:33.24 | RST38h | than writing an app from scratch that is :) |
| 18:33.42 | fireun | RST38h: the project is probably a POS kind of interface to a back end db - kind of a running bill of materials interface to an inventory db |
| 18:33.56 | fireun | RST38h: yes, no question downgrading is much simpler than starting in a void |
| 18:34.16 | fireun | I may not need sprites right off the bat tho (: |
| 18:34.51 | RST38h | tablets do not have sprites |
| 18:35.04 | RST38h | may have one for the mouse pointer, but it is not being use anyway |
| 18:35.11 | fireun | ok |
| 18:35.19 | fireun | I was using it generically |
| 18:35.36 | buttpounder69 | lol |
| 18:36.55 | fireun | "The requested URL /ColEm/Colem25-Source.zip was not found on this server" |
| 18:37.00 | fireun | thats always a good start (: |
| 18:37.40 | RST38h | umgh |
| 18:38.17 | RST38h | it is definitely there, I can download it |
| 18:38.25 | RST38h | SHIFT-reload |
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| 18:39.28 | fireun | http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/Colem25-Source.zip |
| 18:39.32 | fireun | NOT FOUND |
| 18:40.14 | RST38h | are you clicking on it from the /ColEm/ page? |
| 18:41.00 | fireun | from -http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ |
| 18:41.06 | GAN8001 | Works fine here. |
| 18:41.06 | RST38h | Ah, I see what is wrong |
| 18:41.17 | RST38h | It is ColEm25, not Colem25 |
| 18:41.55 | fireun | bingo |
| 18:42.11 | fireun | he should fix that |
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| 18:44.25 | fireun | OT: jeez, you'd think ubuntu would have better power management |
| 18:44.45 | fireun | getting pretty tired of 15% load at low freq, and the fan coming on full speed |
| 18:46.17 | fireun | the move to making all pata appear as sata devices is kind of stupid as well |
| 18:46.25 | fireun | shrugs |
| 18:48.55 | fireun | GAN800: much better |
| 18:49.11 | GAN800 | Friends are fun. |
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| 18:49.58 | fireun | GAN800: difficult for tab-expanding because there is another GAN8001 |
| 18:50.31 | Knirch | fireun: same guy |
| 18:50.35 | GAN800 | That'd be the G4 |
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| 18:50.57 | fireun | Knirch: I figured, but its still a pain |
| 18:50.59 | Knirch | (why people have more than one client on a ircnetwork is beyond me) |
| 18:51.12 | GAN800 | Knirch, for a number of reasons. |
| 18:51.16 | fireun | no doubt |
| 18:51.44 | GAN800 | irssi-proxying isn't always 100% with comcast. ;) |
| 18:52.03 | fireun | screen is your friend |
| 18:52.11 | GAN800 | and GAN8001 only exists about 1% of the time. |
| 18:52.21 | GAN800 | Not in this case, no |
| 18:52.40 | Knirch | fireun: you'll hear the graphical client argument now, I never play the screen/text client card :) |
| 18:52.58 | GAN800 | irssi-proxying isn't any different from screen, really. |
| 18:53.07 | fireun | Knirch: I'm out of circulation these days |
| 18:53.29 | GAN800 | Plus, irssi straight up sucks on an N800. |
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| 18:53.34 | fireun | Knirch: still setting up a new ubuntu install even |
| 18:53.44 | Knirch | I kind of dislike irssi-proxying, but that's a petpeeve and totally ungeneric, so I won't bother with that :) |
| 18:53.56 | GAN800 | Good for you. |
| 18:54.18 | fireun | fight! fight! |
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| 18:55.03 | RST38h | Ubuntu is also supposed to wear out your harddrive ;) |
| 18:55.13 | RST38h | (and yes, power management totally sucks) |
| 18:55.27 | fireun | RST38h: 8.04 feels like a step backwards from 7.10 so far |
| 18:55.28 | Knirch | I meant, I won't bother spewing crap about it in a public forum, since my reasons of disliking it is completly work related :) irssi-proxy is most likely good for most people |
| 18:55.37 | fireun | Knirch: shhh |
| 18:56.07 | fireun | RST38h: and I went with minty-ubuntu |
| 18:56.18 | fireun | after trying the vanilla ubuntu 8.04 |
| 18:56.39 | fireun | still way more work than it should be |
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| 18:57.57 | fireun | iew, what? "Retrieving gcc-4.1-base" |
| 18:58.45 | fireun | sighs |
| 18:59.50 | RST38h | fireun: to me, all this stuff looks like step backwards from BSD |
| 18:59.57 | fireun | heh |
| 18:59.57 | RST38h | and looked this way for years, frankly |
| 19:00.21 | fireun | there were a couple spots where it was fairly decent |
| 19:00.40 | fireun | but then some new developer gets addicted to "the latest" crap and everything dies a horrible hot entropy death |
| 19:01.37 | fireun | and nokia going to Qt is long overdue |
| 19:01.38 | RST38h | Ubuntu is actually the first Linux I can use without throwing up or spending 40 minutes of each hour tinkering with |
| 19:02.12 | astromme | fireun: I agree |
| 19:02.16 | fireun | RST38h: I'm still tinkering, audio should NOT clip when moving windows around |
| 19:02.33 | RST38h | fireun: scheduler. |
| 19:02.40 | RST38h | forget it |
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| 19:02.42 | sp3000 | lcuk: ${f%_*} is a glob pattern flavored thing, %_* means eat away _* at the end non-greedily |
| 19:02.45 | RST38h | don't move windows. |
| 19:02.55 | sp3000 | but man bash knows these things |
| 19:03.01 | fireun | RST38h: heh, actually, switching to alsa fixed most of it |
| 19:03.08 | RST38h | what was it before? |
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| 19:03.20 | fireun | RST38h: minty uses some asscrap pulseaudio |
| 19:03.26 | sp3000 | (%% would be the greedy flavor, # and ## would be the from beginning of the string counterparts) |
| 19:03.31 | RST38h | omg |
| 19:03.36 | fireun | and ESD is junk of course... OSSO is yuck |
| 19:03.44 | astromme | I have no problems whatsoever with audio |
| 19:03.44 | astromme | My audio even continues when X has major problem, or during compiles, etc... |
| 19:03.47 | astromme | It's freaking amazing and I'm impressed |
| 19:03.51 | sp3000 | mmm entropy |
| 19:03.53 | RST38h | has been using /dev/dsp from the start, no problems so far |
| 19:03.55 | astromme | I know my computer is a gonner when the audio stops |
| 19:04.01 | fireun | heh |
| 19:04.15 | fireun | astromme: I'm still dealing with power management lockups |
| 19:04.22 | RST38h | I would love to use the same on Maemo, but no luck |
| 19:04.53 | fireun | RST38h: audio on maemo is junky, but I'm not sure where its failing, the app, OS or driver layer |
| 19:05.13 | fireun | RST38h: I'm a mean bastard and run streaming audio 24/7 thru it |
| 19:05.29 | fireun | sometimes it'll go 30minutes and die, need a reboot, sometimes it goes for days |
| 19:05.31 | astromme | =/ |
| 19:05.31 | astromme | fireun: I agree, audio on maemo isn't pretty compared to my desktop and laptop |
| 19:06.37 | fireun | why is it that I have to find a new way on every linux install of telling the trackpad not to freak out and take glancing touches as meaningful when I'm typing madly away? |
| 19:06.44 | fireun | this is a very old problem |
| 19:07.04 | fireun | throws up hands at linux's senility |
| 19:07.49 | sp3000 | don't worry, your grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-childrens' hands will have evolved away this problem |
| 19:08.15 | fireun | they'll just have flippers with really dexterous thumbs |
| 19:08.23 | fireun | an extra knuckle |
| 19:09.44 | n800n | do you guys play emulator games on your tablets? |
| 19:11.30 | RST38h | fireun: does not die on me (OS2008) but doesn't play video very well either |
| 19:12.08 | RST38h | "We live in a remarkably fogey-ish era, and the stuffier we get, the more we need to hear about people who snort, fuck and shoot without thought of what it might do to their permanent record." |
| 19:12.11 | fireun | RST38h: so it goes with a 770 running 2006/7 |
| 19:13.15 | fireun | RST38h: I'm major fogey-ish then.. I actually -think- rather than the 85% standard knee jerk -react- of the populous |
| 19:13.43 | fireun | but knowing you're doomed doesnt help anything, mostly makes it worse |
| 19:14.28 | RST38h | fireun: you are not statistically significant |
| 19:14.36 | fireun | ha. exactly |
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| 19:14.39 | RST38h | probably not event reacting to advertising. |
| 19:14.45 | RST38h | s/event/even/ |
| 19:15.22 | fireun | RST38h: I've broken many reins |
| 19:15.36 | RST38h | and THAT is why you are not statistically significant |
| 19:15.59 | fireun | still looking for the advantage in it |
| 19:16.12 | RST38h | well, for once, you can avoid the traffic =) |
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| 19:16.59 | fireun | damn skippy |
| 19:17.18 | fireun | but it also makes me difficult to employ |
| 19:17.22 | RST38h | Anyways, the whole article is actually pretty good: http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=19038&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1 |
| 19:18.03 | Cptnodegard | just saw indiana jones |
| 19:18.17 | RST38h | fireun; don't see a link between these |
| 19:18.36 | n800n | good? |
| 19:18.37 | RST38h | Cptn: so, you are coming here on empty stomach then? |
| 19:19.02 | Cptnodegard | its the single most crappy soundtrack i have ever heard on any movie |
| 19:19.18 | Cptnodegard | and wtf was with the ending |
| 19:20.27 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 19:22.24 | fireun | I saw Ironman, I did my capitalistic community service for the year |
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| 19:23.05 | fireun | they wont get me with indiana, ford is clearly too old and stoned to pull it off, I dont need to see it to know that. |
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| 19:29.08 | mgedmin | whee, my n810 refuses to go online now |
| 19:29.18 | mgedmin | I tap "Select connection..." and nothing happens |
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| 19:30.00 | Cptnodegard | porn overload |
| 19:31.26 | Cptnodegard | hmm one of those tiny fly thingies was just on my screen |
| 19:31.32 | Cptnodegard | right click and close didnt work :/ |
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| 19:34.12 | fireun | mgedmin: reboot? |
| 19:34.25 | mgedmin | that would fix it, I'm sure |
| 19:34.35 | fireun | there ya go then (: |
| 19:34.51 | mgedmin | but tablet-browser doesn't have firefox's "restore previous session" feature |
| 19:35.11 | fireun | sure it does, its called bookmarks |
| 19:35.11 | mgedmin | I'll have to finish reading this longish blog post first |
| 19:35.12 | fireun | (; |
| 19:35.23 | mgedmin | bookmarks don't remember the position on page |
| 19:35.25 | fireun | quick before your eyes go bad! |
| 19:35.54 | mgedmin | the irritating think is that I cannot ssh into it for looking at dmesg/etc |
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| 19:35.59 | mgedmin | s/think/thing/ |
| 19:36.47 | fireun | grr, why does disk space not mean anything anymore |
| 19:36.54 | fireun | is down to 405M on main linux partition |
| 19:36.58 | keesj | usbnet? |
| 19:37.41 | fireun | xterm? |
| 19:42.29 | astromme_ | fireun: I always have that problem too |
| 19:42.33 | astromme_ | Even on a huge drive |
| 19:42.50 | fireun | yeah, moving /opt to another partition |
| 19:42.56 | fireun | 1.1G ! |
| 19:42.58 | astromme_ | a couple of dvds, the kernel source, kdesvn, scratchbox, a windows vm |
| 19:42.58 | astromme_ | it all adds up |
| 19:43.20 | fireun | yeah, any kind of source kills drivespace, contrary to gut belief |
| 19:43.33 | mgedmin | looks like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2534 |
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| 19:44.15 | mgedmin | /etc/init.d/osso-ic restart is a fix, yay |
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| 19:45.32 | mgedmin | and the fix works |
| 19:46.22 | qwerty12_N800 | I thought a fix was meant to work anyways? :p |
| 19:46.23 | fireun | even with bugs, Exaile is SO much better then Rhapsody |
| 19:46.48 | fireun | doesnt even get Canola |
| 19:48.19 | astromme_ | when you say 'get' canola, do you mean understand why it's there? |
| 19:48.43 | astromme_ | And, btw, I prefer Amarok =P. Ok... no I don't want to start a battle |
| 19:49.10 | fireun | you are allowed to have a preference (: |
| 19:49.16 | astromme_ | Of course |
| 19:49.20 | qwerty12_N800 | thinks mpd is king |
| 19:49.20 | fireun | I dont understand the meaning of canola |
| 19:49.29 | fireun | and what the hell happened to xmms when I wasnt looking? |
| 19:49.39 | mgedmin | is there a way to get the OS version from an ssh session? |
| 19:49.49 | mgedmin | on Ubuntu I'd cat /etc/lsb-release, but what do I do on a tablet? |
| 19:50.03 | fireun | I tried installing everything on the 770 and found the standard media player to play streams the best (not well, just best) |
| 19:50.06 | qwerty12_N800 | run osso-product-info |
| 19:50.11 | astromme_ | fireun: try audacity if you want an xmms like player |
| 19:50.17 | mgedmin | thanks, astromme_! |
| 19:50.34 | n800n | audacity on maemo? |
| 19:50.41 | astromme_ | O.O |
| 19:50.47 | astromme_ | no? |
| 19:50.53 | qwerty12_N800 | no problems mgedmin ;) :p |
| 19:51.09 | astromme_ | is confused. |
| 19:51.23 | mgedmin | there's interesting info there |
| 19:51.25 | mgedmin | OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='FCC/US' |
| 19:51.34 | astromme_ | mgedmin: it was qwerty12_N800 who you should thank =P |
| 19:51.39 | qwerty12_N800 | mine is etsi/eu |
| 19:51.50 | mgedmin | reminds me when I changed the wifi accesspoint in the office to channel 13, and my n800 couldn't connect any more |
| 19:52.05 | astromme_ | would mine be eu if I'm in the eu now, even if my tablet was purchased in the us? |
| 19:52.38 | astromme_ | n800n: fireun was speaking about exile and xmms so I assumed he was talking about desktop apps |
| 19:52.40 | fireun | mgedmin: haha |
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| 19:52.54 | fireun | astromme_: yeah, sorry, ranting off topic a bit today |
| 19:53.04 | mgedmin | astromme_: nope, I'm in the eu, but my tablet was purchased in the us |
| 19:53.08 | qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, exaile and xmms are available on tablets :) |
| 19:53.19 | mgedmin | is banshee available on the tablet? ;-) |
| 19:53.27 | n800n | i gasped |
| 19:54.10 | fireun | astromme_: right, audacity is a wav editor, not player |
| 19:54.12 | astromme_ | qwerty12_N800: is amarok? |
| 19:54.15 | astromme_ | err, sorry |
| 19:54.20 | astromme_ | there's another similarly named one |
| 19:54.30 | fireun | so many audio apps for the tablet, so man of them suck |
| 19:54.35 | fireun | many |
| 19:54.37 | qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, don't think so :/ |
| 19:54.40 | astromme_ | I'm happy with canola =/ |
| 19:54.53 | fireun | it seems bloated |
| 19:54.59 | astromme_ | A little |
| 19:55.00 | fireun | kitchen sink project |
| 19:55.07 | astromme_ | And I'd agree with that |
| 19:55.23 | fireun | wrinkles up his nose |
| 19:55.32 | qwerty12_N800 | tell em your hates at #canola :p |
| 19:55.39 | fireun | kinda counter to the whole minimalist tablet ideal |
| 19:55.50 | astromme_ | ha, I'm not crazy |
| 19:55.52 | astromme_ | audacious-media-player.org/ |
| 19:55.54 | astromme_ | audacious |
| 19:55.55 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: they drank the coolaid (or canola) why bother ? (: |
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| 19:56.06 | fireun | astromme_: ahha, crazy names |
| 19:56.09 | mgedmin | canola: nice ui, atrocious startup time |
| 19:56.34 | qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, I compiled audacious and it segfaulted :D |
| 19:56.37 | mgedmin | last time I installed it was for the youtube plugin |
| 19:56.38 | astromme_ | =/ |
| 19:56.50 | mgedmin | which didn't work at the time, because youtube changed their html ;-) |
| 19:56.55 | qwerty12_N800 | probably because i forced it to use older libc |
| 20:01.03 | astromme_ | not cool.. my scratchbox is broken again |
| 20:01.10 | astromme_ | Some days I like scratchbox |
| 20:01.25 | astromme_ | Others I just wish I could have a complete dev environment on my n800 |
| 20:01.29 | qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, I've installed sdk 20 times :p |
| 20:01.32 | astromme_ | becuase sb is so freaking annoying |
| 20:02.13 | astromme_ | now I'm in dependency hell |
| 20:02.16 | astromme_ | I need libstdc++6-dev |
| 20:02.24 | astromme_ | or something similar at least... to compile cmake |
| 20:02.41 | astromme_ | but no... sb thinks I need the kitchen sink as dependencies |
| 20:02.44 | astromme_ | including x11 |
| 20:03.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Grabb the deb manually and extract it |
| 20:03.30 | astromme_ | interesting |
| 20:03.46 | astromme_ | I just re-unpacked the root fs |
| 20:04.17 | astromme_ | and it looks like it's working |
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| 20:06.58 | astromme_ | omfg |
| 20:07.03 | astromme_ | now I can't even get cmake to compile |
| 20:07.04 | fireun | nope, I think I'll blame the move to sata handling of pata drives |
| 20:07.18 | fireun | and the inability to hdparm the drive to use 32bit access and dma |
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| 20:09.02 | mgedmin | I doubt that's the cause of the problem |
| 20:09.03 | astromme_ | F this.... |
| 20:09.09 | astromme_ | I'm downloading the vm of scratchbox |
| 20:09.19 | mgedmin | ext3 handling of fsync, on the other hand, is distinctly suboptimal |
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| 20:09.35 | mgedmin | as firefox 3 demonstrated by making sqlite do fifteen fsyncs per second, or something like that |
| 20:09.42 | astromme_ | yeah |
| 20:09.51 | mgedmin | well, it can't actually do fifteen per second, given that the ones it does tend to take quite a few seconds each... |
| 20:09.53 | mgedmin | meh |
| 20:10.07 | mgedmin | uses http://www.flamingspork.com/projects/libeatmydata/ |
| 20:10.38 | fireun | mgedmin: well I'm at a loss of what it is, video driver is drm and works reasonablly well |
| 20:10.55 | qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin, that sounds fun :D ^-^ |
| 20:11.05 | mgedmin | I think all the UI lags I've noticed on linux during the last several years were disk-I/O-related |
| 20:11.10 | fireun | mgedmin: but lots of UI issues, blank dialog boxes as app freezes up, then my mouse wont work in other windows but sluggishly, its all gone pear shaped in linux these days |
| 20:11.22 | mgedmin | or running out of RAM |
| 20:11.26 | fireun | mgedmin: right, which makes me think there are disk io issues atm |
| 20:11.32 | mgedmin | which in turn means your system is doing lots of I/O |
| 20:11.33 | fireun | like blocking writes |
| 20:11.42 | fireun | rather than dma doing the heavy lifting |
| 20:11.57 | mgedmin | DMA never made any difference in my experience |
| 20:12.08 | fireun | mgedmin: well, I was installing/downloading the scratchbox errata |
| 20:12.10 | mgedmin | get an app to do a lot of writes, and other apps will suffer, DMA or no DMA |
| 20:12.21 | fireun | mgedmin: my experience tells me otherwise (: |
| 20:12.24 | mgedmin | the problem is latency and not bandwidth, I think |
| 20:12.32 | mgedmin | actually, yes, I remember once |
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| 20:12.37 | fireun | I think its system resource hogging |
| 20:12.45 | mgedmin | a brand-new Pentium IV system literally froze when I was doing a mkfs |
| 20:12.55 | mgedmin | because it forgot to enable DMA |
| 20:13.03 | mgedmin | and spent all the time blocking on CPU |
| 20:13.05 | fireun | and right now I CANT enable dma |
| 20:13.17 | mgedmin | but why do you assume it is disabled? |
| 20:13.24 | fireun | because they think moving to sata UUID disk addressing is easier |
| 20:13.45 | fireun | hdparm oddly enough will read the status of the drive flags, but not set them, due to error |
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| 20:14.04 | fireun | sure, I'm assuming its results are valid, but still |
| 20:14.12 | mgedmin | runs sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda |
| 20:14.17 | fireun | astromme_: fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 20:14.17 | fireun | fakeroot: preload library not found, aborting. |
| 20:14.17 | fireun | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 1 |
| 20:14.19 | mgedmin | udma5 is active here |
| 20:14.28 | mgedmin | despite the SATA-ness of the drive |
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| 20:15.19 | fireun | mgedmin: hmm, yes, giving the -i param that is what it indicates here as well |
| 20:15.30 | fireun | throws up hands in apparent surrender |
| 20:16.30 | fireun | linux sucks, I'm going back to windows (; |
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| 20:18.42 | fireun | mgedmin: I havnt gotten around to fixing my term even, so arrow keys in insert mode in vi makes a mess... lots of other stuff to nail down first. Its frustrating that I have to do any of it. |
| 20:18.55 | mgedmin | well, linux does suck, but windows sucks more, in my personal experience |
| 20:19.03 | fireun | yes, I was being sarcastic |
| 20:19.14 | fireun | thats a given, right? (: |
| 20:19.30 | mgedmin | vi arrow key tip #1: if you're running ubuntu, sudo apt-get install vim instead of using the preinstalled vim-tiny that doesn't support arrow keys |
| 20:19.45 | astromme_ | Arrow keys? |
| 20:19.45 | fireun | ah yes, an oldy but goody |
| 20:19.46 | qwerty12_N800 | i used windows for the first time in 3 months to test winexe and i hated it |
| 20:20.04 | astromme_ | Heh |
| 20:20.25 | astromme_ | I'm so glad that I'm free from all of the problems that come with windows |
| 20:20.40 | fireun | I still need it for CAD work |
| 20:20.46 | fireun | industry dependancy |
| 20:21.07 | astromme_ | Mmm |
| 20:21.21 | astromme_ | I give up |
| 20:21.24 | fireun | hey, I'd lov eit if solidworks moved to linux. |
| 20:21.30 | astromme_ | scratchbox and I do not go together |
| 20:21.35 | astromme_ | period |
| 20:21.51 | fireun | doesnt yet understand the need |
| 20:21.52 | astromme_ | What other options do I have? |
| 20:21.58 | fireun | avr stuff was so much easier |
| 20:22.14 | astromme_ | Can I install debian on my n800? |
| 20:22.23 | beford | yes |
| 20:22.29 | fireun | I dont remember needing a scratchbox environment doing avr crosscompiling |
| 20:22.46 | astromme_ | Hmm? |
| 20:22.56 | mgedmin | astromme_: sort of |
| 20:23.01 | mysc | i completely drained my n800 and it's on the 3rd hour of charging (no battery full yet) :\ |
| 20:23.01 | mgedmin | you can get a working debian chroot |
| 20:23.09 | mgedmin | you can't actually get debian to boot, afaiu |
| 20:23.19 | mysc | i have a bootable debian |
| 20:23.23 | astromme_ | well, maybe that's all I need |
| 20:23.57 | mgedmin | finds http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 20:24.24 | mgedmin | oh, wow, ever wifi works |
| 20:24.40 | mysc | for certain definitions of "works" |
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| 20:24.59 | mysc | it doesn't work on my system, and i am working to get it up |
| 20:25.20 | mgedmin | I think most of ubuntu was also cross-compiled for the tablets |
| 20:25.41 | fireun | I thought I saw a thread stating ubuntu-maemo existed |
| 20:26.08 | mgedmin | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html |
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| 20:29.33 | astromme_ | I wish I had a qemu that supported all of the arm processor features |
| 20:29.37 | astromme_ | that would be nice..... |
| 20:29.44 | Stskeeps | use sbrsh or something |
| 20:29.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:30.02 | astromme_ | it was dog slow |
| 20:30.11 | astromme_ | and failed for seemingly no reason at all |
| 20:30.15 | astromme_ | as in |
| 20:30.18 | astromme_ | I got a make error |
| 20:30.22 | fireun | is lost just trying to get maemopad to build under sb2 |
| 20:30.23 | mgedmin | I wish for a full device emulator |
| 20:30.27 | astromme_ | but I looked up.... there were no error messages |
| 20:30.30 | astromme_ | a couple of warnings |
| 20:30.31 | Stskeeps | ofcours it is dog slow, it runs natively on the n800 :P |
| 20:30.32 | astromme_ | but nothing fatal |
| 20:30.45 | astromme_ | I'm fine with dog slow =P |
| 20:30.50 | flo_lap | mgedmin: turned out to be quite boring - they seem to have compiled packages only |
| 20:30.50 | astromme_ | just not "dog slow and still fails" |
| 20:31.19 | mgedmin | flo_lap: that's probably why I thought the debian port was also boring |
| 20:31.33 | mgedmin | must have conflated the two announcements |
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| 20:33.32 | fireun | anyone tell me what to do with "fakeroot: preload library not found, aborting." |
| 20:33.43 | flo_lap | mgedmin: They just took the source packages and compiled them nativley - its some effort, but boring in the end. |
| 20:33.52 | kkrust1 | do I need to setup maemo SDK to develop with python? |
| 20:34.02 | fireun | kkrust1: shouldnt think so! |
| 20:34.03 | mgedmin | fireun: give more info? |
| 20:34.08 | mgedmin | is that inside scratchbox? |
| 20:34.20 | fireun | mgedmin: doing the first test run after the sdk+ setup |
| 20:34.31 | fireun | with commands as listed on the page |
| 20:34.39 | mgedmin | url? |
| 20:34.44 | fireun | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html |
| 20:34.59 | flo_lap | mgedmin: no gui adaption and no images - so everything that is hard work is missing |
| 20:35.03 | mgedmin | ah, the experimental scratchbox 2 thing |
| 20:35.08 | mgedmin | I haven't tried it out yet |
| 20:35.22 | fireun | RST38h was the one to point at that method |
| 20:35.38 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun, it worked for me in ubuntu but i extremely prefer sb1 |
| 20:35.39 | mgedmin | flo_lap: true, otoh 16000 apt-gettable packages are attractive |
| 20:35.51 | mgedmin | most of the debs I rebuilt for maemo were for cmdline apps that didn't need GUI tweaks |
| 20:35.54 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: and I may have to try it as well, so far none of this makes sense |
| 20:36.03 | mgedmin | then again I'm a geek... |
| 20:36.09 | fireun | mgedmin: arent we all? |
| 20:36.21 | fireun | mgedmin: I think its a prereq for using IRC in the first place |
| 20:36.24 | mgedmin | I believe there exist people in the world that aren't ;-) |
| 20:36.42 | astromme_ | Ok, I'm out for tonight |
| 20:36.43 | mgedmin | ah, IRC -- you've got a point there |
| 20:36.49 | flo_lap | mgedmin: yes its interesting to play around with a large colection of software, but that does not make it a mature thing |
| 20:36.51 | astromme_ | Hopefully the morning will mean less silly problems |
| 20:36.57 | fireun | mgedmin: sure, and people like evilmadscientist.com are NERDS |
| 20:37.03 | mgedmin | I don't believe anyone claimed mojo was mature |
| 20:37.09 | fireun | astromme_: cheers |
| 20:37.22 | mgedmin | reads the maemo-sdk page and likes the idea |
| 20:37.28 | fireun | flo_lap: large collections of software SOURCE |
| 20:37.47 | practisevoodoo | is it possible to add iwconfig/iwlist to an n810? |
| 20:38.06 | fireun | practisevoodoo: should be wireless-tools |
| 20:38.25 | fireun | practisevoodoo: finding the package that -works- is another problem |
| 20:39.02 | qwerty12_N800 | practisevoodoo, www.nitapps.com |
| 20:39.36 | fireun | takes a get up and move around break |
| 20:40.14 | practisevoodoo | cheers |
| 20:41.31 | beford | is there any webkit based browser availible for n810? |
| 20:41.58 | qwerty12_N800 | midori |
| 20:42.15 | qwerty12_N800 | or in debian, epithany |
| 20:42.20 | mgedmin | wasn't there an experimental webkit backend for tablet-browser? |
| 20:43.59 | mgedmin | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/07/new-webkit-backend-under-development-for-n800-web-browser |
| 20:44.12 | mgedmin | hm, 2007 |
| 20:44.16 | mgedmin | a bit old |
| 20:45.34 | GAN8001 | They decided it was pointless to set it up for EAL |
| 20:45.44 | GAN8001 | Better to just have a unique front-end |
| 20:45.57 | GAN8001 | The engine is actually in extras |
| 20:46.01 | GAN8001 | you just need a GUI for it |
| 20:46.10 | GAN8001 | Somebody built Epiphany for it. |
| 20:46.18 | GAN8001 | Epiphany sucks on the tablet, though. |
| 20:47.42 | zap | Anybody got MPD playing smoothly on Maemo? |
| 20:48.26 | starkmjolk | ohh, reminder for me there, is there a good MPD client for maemo? :) |
| 20:48.36 | mgedmin | starkmjolk: mmpc |
| 20:48.47 | mgedmin | very nice maemo-ish UI |
| 20:48.47 | starkmjolk | thanks :) |
| 20:48.48 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, set it to use libao |
| 20:48.59 | mgedmin | hey, maemo-sdk dares to edit my /etc/sudoers without my permission |
| 20:49.00 | qwerty12_N800 | then set libao to use esd |
| 20:49.02 | mgedmin | I disapprove |
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| 20:49.15 | mgedmin | I believe debian-policy could say a thing or two about that |
| 20:49.29 | zap | qwerty12_N800: it uses libao, anyway the sound is full of clicks |
| 20:49.40 | mysc | why can i run top when ssh'd in but top in an osso xterm hangs? |
| 20:49.59 | GAN8001 | Because you broke it? |
| 20:50.03 | GAN8001 | Works fine here, mysc. |
| 20:50.27 | mysc | GAN, can't see what could have broken it except i installed screen (via apt-get). that might have changed ncurses? |
| 20:51.43 | mgedmin | mysc: screen size? |
| 20:52.02 | mgedmin | what if you reduce the font size in xterm? |
| 20:52.31 | mysc | oh wow, it works now. i musta been doing something after 20 hours of no sleep or something. |
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| 20:57.40 | mgedmin | hahaha |
| 20:57.46 | mgedmin | sudo maemo-tools prints |
| 20:57.48 | mgedmin | Running as user root... yes |
| 20:57.48 | mgedmin | Not running as user root inside fakeroot... yes |
| 20:57.53 | mgedmin | for some reason I found it funny |
| 21:03.05 | qwerty12_N800 | "mgedmin: then again I'm a geek" :p :) |
| 21:04.36 | mysc | well, debian now connects to my AP! one last hurdle...dhcpd is not listening on wlan0 |
| 21:06.44 | sp3000 | that's ok, I'll listen on your wlan0 |
| 21:08.16 | GAN8001 | sp3000 is such a pal |
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| 21:09.55 | mysc | hrmm, it listens on usb0 though, this might be the problem, will try disabling usb0 |
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| 21:10.45 | n800n | there is no DS emulator for maemo, correct? |
| 21:11.00 | fireun | I'm starting to wonder if I was sane to even consider taking on a maemo project |
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| 21:11.09 | qwerty12_N800 | n800n, theres extremely slow ome |
| 21:11.13 | fireun | setting up and using the build environment is such a cluster |
| 21:11.32 | sp3000 | ...of joy |
| 21:11.36 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 21:11.44 | n800n | qwerty12_N800 do you remember names? |
| 21:11.52 | sp3000 | approves of the aesthetic principle of http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/56042_01.jpg |
| 21:12.24 | qwerty12_N800 | desume (smth like that). search itt (but VERY slow) |
| 21:12.26 | fireun | sp3000: wheres the one for 2.5" or smaller drives? |
| 21:12.37 | fireun | oh wait, they come with their own cases |
| 21:12.38 | n800n | ty |
| 21:12.53 | sp3000 | that one claims to eat 2.5" too |
| 21:15.20 | sp3000 | of course at that point the space overhead starts to become amusing |
| 21:17.59 | n800n | http://www.sharenator.com/Flying_penis/ |
| 21:18.14 | n800n | it sounds worse than it is and a lot funnier |
| 21:18.24 | n800n | than it sounds |
| 21:19.03 | qwerty12_N800 | wtf :p |
| 21:19.26 | qwerty12_N800 | load the fuel... |
| 21:19.36 | n800n | weird huh |
| 21:19.45 | qwerty12_N800 | (pun intended) |
| 21:23.10 | mgedmin | okay, maemo-sdk step #3 completed |
| 21:23.33 | mgedmin | this is going to take hours |
| 21:24.22 | n800n | eww 10 fps. |
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| 21:25.15 | qwerty12_N800 | .install files which don't specify a explicit distribution don't go down with diablo well :( |
| 21:26.04 | Proteous | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153066 |
| 21:26.06 | GAN8001 | mgedmin, vmware image . . . ? |
| 21:27.13 | mgedmin | GAN8001: I already have scratchbox installed and working with all three targets |
| 21:27.23 | mgedmin | I want to play with this new experimental scratchbox2 toy |
| 21:27.58 | qwerty12_N800 | couldn't get sbox1 and sbox2 installed together on same system :/ |
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| 21:31.40 | mgedmin | don't tell me I'm going to break my existing sbox1 install please |
| 21:32.33 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, it's just that sbox2 wouldn't install for me. it may (hopefully) work fine for you |
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| 21:34.35 | mgedmin | sudo apt-get install maemo-sdk succeeded |
| 21:34.55 | mgedmin | sudo maemo-tools -m http://ftp.debian.org/debian succeeded |
| 21:35.05 | mgedmin | now running maemo-rootstrap install all |
| 21:35.41 | mgedmin | nope |
| 21:35.42 | mgedmin | /usr/bin/sb2-config: line 40: echo: write error: No space left on device |
| 21:35.43 | mgedmin | oops |
| 21:35.48 | mgedmin | I had 2.8 gigs free this morning |
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| 21:35.56 | n800n | oops |
| 21:36.00 | mgedmin | /opt/maemo is 1.1 gigs total |
| 21:36.24 | mgedmin | apt-get clean freed half a gig |
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| 21:37.34 | mgedmin | okay, 2.9 gigs free |
| 21:37.44 | mgedmin | let's try maemo-rootstrap install all again |
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| 21:39.12 | mgedmin | ah, I also have a gig of data in ~/.maemo-sdk |
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| 21:42.12 | befr0d | Hi how do i use alt key on n810 kb? |
| 21:42.53 | pupnik | hi befr0d, for what software? |
| 21:43.04 | pupnik | hey mgedmin long time |
| 21:43.04 | befr0d | Screen |
| 21:43.17 | mgedmin | waves |
| 21:43.33 | mgedmin | befr0d: for any terminal app, to get alt+letter, press esc and then letter |
| 21:43.56 | mgedmin | esc is the big circled arrow key on the left of the screen |
| 21:43.58 | pupnik | o_O |
| 21:44.04 | mgedmin | waves at pupnik |
| 21:45.06 | mgedmin | another useful thing to know about terminal apps is that tab is ctrl+i |
| 21:45.20 | befr0d | Thanks that worked |
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| 21:45.46 | befr0d | I used esc kwy from the touchscreen |
| 21:45.51 | befr0d | Key* |
| 21:46.28 | befr0d | Still need to get used to this kb :) |
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| 21:47.47 | pupnik | is sad at big red line running up thinkpad screen |
| 21:48.33 | mgedmin | the thinkpad is dead, long live the thinkpad |
| 21:48.35 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik, i've got a line like that on another dell monitor :( |
| 21:48.38 | GAN8001 | pupnik, hit it with a stick. |
| 21:48.44 | mgedmin | time to get a new one |
| 21:49.27 | pupnik | mgedmin: man that's useful info |
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| 21:49.43 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 21:49.52 | pupnik | sry i meant ctrl+i |
| 21:49.55 | pupnik | did not know that |
| 21:50.17 | nano- | Hi, I'm porting a program from desktop to maemo/hildon, and my lazyloading stopped working. On the desktop I intercept get_value in the GtkTreeModel interface, which allows me to dynamically load data into the tree view. |
| 21:50.38 | nano- | However.. on maemo/hildon, get_value is called for all rows even though I've set fixed height and stuff like that. |
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| 21:51.41 | nano- | What am I missing? |
| 21:52.05 | lcuk | is sad to see an all white pixel and next an all black pixel line running across on his laptop :( |
| 21:53.22 | befr0d | Is there any way to disable the tips that appear when yountype on the n810? |
| 21:53.37 | mgedmin | do I want binary packages in my chinook rootstrap? |
| 21:53.57 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, i think it's closed stuff |
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| 21:54.08 | mgedmin | befr0d: I'm pretty sure you can do that in the control panel |
| 21:54.09 | befr0d | You type* |
| 21:54.14 | lcuk | yes, settings control panel, text input settings, onscreen languages, untick |
| 21:54.18 | mgedmin | right, closed stuff -- but do I want it? |
| 21:54.28 | mgedmin | what's it good for? |
| 21:54.57 | mgedmin | running binary gui apps in xephyr? |
| 21:55.36 | qwerty12_N800 | I can't remember, it's same as maemo-explict package in sbox1 |
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| 21:56.44 | befr0d | that worked. thanks |
| 21:56.50 | mgedmin | okay, maemo-sdk setup is done |
| 21:57.08 | mgedmin | and the mistral target is unable to run C compiled programs |
| 21:57.11 | mgedmin | fail? |
| 21:58.05 | mgedmin | same error in chinook target |
| 21:59.21 | mgedmin | running sb2 dpkg-buildpackage without the -d script gives an interesting intermission |
| 22:00.07 | mgedmin | but otoh I don't seem to have any problems with fakeroot |
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| 22:00.53 | befr0d | does the x server on n810 accept external connections? |
| 22:01.25 | mgedmin | it shouldn't |
| 22:01.59 | befr0d | but its possible to make it listen rigth? |
| 22:02.04 | mgedmin | and netstat confirms that it isn't listening on tcp |
| 22:02.05 | befr0d | right* |
| 22:02.18 | mgedmin | you can use ssh's x forwarding |
| 22:02.28 | mgedmin | if you run ssh from osso-xterm |
| 22:02.38 | befr0d | ok let me see |
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| 22:05.55 | mgedmin | oh, hey, sbox 1 doesn't work either |
| 22:06.01 | mgedmin | I haven't tried if after the upgrade to ubuntu hardy |
| 22:06.08 | mgedmin | at least it tells me what to do |
| 22:06.39 | qwerty12_N800 | disable vdso and lower mmap (?) value |
| 22:06.49 | mgedmin | right |
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| 22:07.29 | mgedmin | sb-login tells me half of it (the vdso thing) |
| 22:09.30 | mgedmin | ah, the other magic command is |
| 22:09.31 | mgedmin | echo 4096 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr |
| 22:09.51 | mgedmin | looks like both scratchboxes work now |
| 22:10.17 | qwerty12_N800 | I edited sysctl to make it permanent |
| 22:11.02 | mgedmin | hm, interesting error |
| 22:11.06 | mgedmin | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 22:11.12 | mgedmin | at the end of the build |
| 22:11.22 | mgedmin | looks like this is when it tried to gpg sign my .changes file |
| 22:12.10 | mgedmin | okay the instructions at http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html work for me after the sysctl changes on ubuntu hardy |
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| 22:12.55 | mgedmin | cost in disk space: 3.2 gigs |
| 22:13.12 | mgedmin | plus whatever the maemo-sdk deb and its dependencies weigh |
| 22:13.26 | qwerty12_N800 | for everything else, there's mastercard |
| 22:14.33 | mgedmin | gives in and adds the SDK repository to sources.list on hisl N810 |
| 22:14.40 | mgedmin | wants strace, and gdb, and xauth |
| 22:14.49 | mgedmin | hey, where's xauth? |
| 22:19.16 | mgedmin | well, it's an opportunity to test sb2 for real |
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| 22:29.43 | mgedmin | why does xauth depend on the C preprocessor? |
| 22:30.06 | mgedmin | bizzare |
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| 22:32.48 | mgedmin | uh, oh, I'm out of disk space on my n810 |
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| 22:36.15 | KotCzarny | clone to sd |
| 22:40.06 | l7__ | how do you clone? |
| 22:40.17 | KotCzarny | ~maemoclone |
| 22:40.51 | l7__ | hmm |
| 22:40.58 | l7__ | google finds nothing for that |
| 22:41.00 | KotCzarny | what was the link to the deb? |
| 22:41.22 | KotCzarny | infobot: maemoclone is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 |
| 22:41.23 | infobot | KotCzarny: okay |
| 22:41.25 | KotCzarny | ~maemoclone |
| 22:41.26 | infobot | rumour has it, maemoclone is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 |
| 22:41.57 | l7__ | ah interesting, thanks |
| 22:42.06 | l7__ | it's funny that it was not indexed by search engines |
| 22:43.00 | l7__ | does this only work with the n810? |
| 22:43.05 | GAN8001 | Google finds tons of stuff for me. :P |
| 22:43.11 | GAN8001 | Any NIT. . . . |
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| 22:43.49 | KotCzarny | l7: n8x0 |
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| 22:44.38 | Johnny5 | That link is painful on the eyes. |
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| 22:44.53 | l7__ | heh |
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| 22:45.34 | mgedmin | yay, ssh X forwarding works in the other direction too, now that I've installed xauth |
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| 22:46.17 | mgedmin | har har har |
| 22:46.29 | KotCzarny | mgedmin: having fun with linux? |
| 22:46.54 | mgedmin | I've maemo-mapper running on my n810 displaying on a window on my laptop |
| 22:47.05 | mgedmin | the gtk theme doesn't work, as there's no sapwood-server running |
| 22:47.14 | mgedmin | but I can resize the maemo mapper window to any size I like |
| 22:48.02 | mgedmin | hm, osso-xterm opens on the device screen despite my $DISPLAY setting |
| 22:48.13 | mgedmin | some maemo-launcher dbus magic is interfering |
| 22:48.40 | mgedmin | but the whole point of the excercise is that I can now transfer the clipboard with xsel via X forwarding |
| 22:49.43 | mgedmin | ... um |
| 22:51.25 | mgedmin | stoopid! |
| 22:51.35 | mgedmin | ssh X forwarding is entirely unnecessary when all I want to do is |
| 22:51.40 | mgedmin | xsel | ssh mg-n810 'xsel -b --display :0' |
| 22:52.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:55.39 | mgedmin | yawns |
| 22:55.43 | mgedmin | goodnight, all |
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| 23:07.40 | jldiaz | hello |
| 23:07.53 | jldiaz | I've installed mpd in the n810 |
| 23:08.07 | jldiaz | I like the separation between server and interface (client) |
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| 23:09.13 | jldiaz | however, I noticed a much higher CPU consuption while playing music than with other players (mplayer, osso-media-serv) |
| 23:09.27 | jldiaz | mpd uses about 30% CPU, while others only 0.1% |
| 23:09.56 | jldiaz | I assume that this because the audio decoding is done by the CPU instead the DSP |
| 23:11.00 | jldiaz | there are plans of a optimzed maemo port? |
| 23:12.19 | jldiaz | In fact, mpd could be only a wrapper around osso-media-serv |
| 23:12.47 | jldiaz | translating tcp/ip mpd commands into dbus messages to osso-media-serv |
| 23:13.56 | KotCzarny | 0.1% is a lie |
| 23:14.09 | KotCzarny | and top is not a benchmark |
| 23:14.16 | jldiaz | anyway... |
| 23:14.28 | KotCzarny | infobot: top is not a benchmark |
| 23:14.29 | infobot | ...but top is already something else... |
| 23:14.34 | KotCzarny | ~top |
| 23:14.35 | infobot | it has been said that top is acting funky - keeps segfaulting - that's an old problem I know |
| 23:14.42 | jldiaz | if it uses CPU instead of DSP, I assume that this shortens the battery life |
| 23:14.45 | KotCzarny | infobot: forget top |
| 23:14.46 | infobot | i forgot top, KotCzarny |
| 23:14.49 | KotCzarny | infobot: top is not a benchmark |
| 23:14.49 | infobot | okay, KotCzarny |
| 23:15.15 | jldiaz | KotCzarny, what should I use instead? |
| 23:15.33 | KotCzarny | decode to file or /dev/null and check the time taken |
| 23:16.27 | jldiaz | but... let's suppose that the code contains some waiting loop |
| 23:16.32 | jldiaz | instead of blocking |
| 23:16.43 | jldiaz | this would make a high CPU consumption |
| 23:16.47 | jldiaz | detectable by top |
| 23:16.50 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:16.57 | KotCzarny | waiting loop doesn't take cpu |
| 23:17.03 | KotCzarny | unless it's braindeadly written |
| 23:17.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:17.04 | jldiaz | I mean, not sleeping |
| 23:17.18 | jldiaz | yes, I'm refering to that kind of waiting loops |
| 23:17.18 | KotCzarny | then don't use such decoder |
| 23:17.19 | GAN8001 | jldiaz, the DSP is more efficient at decoding MP3s, but with the default kernel, things get locked to 330MHz when DSP is in use |
| 23:17.39 | GAN8001 | Which may actually mean more battery usage if that 30% is at 165MHz. . . . |
| 23:18.05 | jldiaz | that's interesting, GAN8001 |
| 23:18.08 | GAN8001 | Battery usage when using the DSP, rather. |
| 23:18.29 | jldiaz | however I noticed a much more battery draining using mpd than using, say, mplayer |
| 23:18.35 | GAN8001 | hasn't actually done any testing. |
| 23:18.39 | jldiaz | has this some sense? |
| 23:19.20 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: well, you can make a test |
| 23:19.24 | KotCzarny | but it will take some time |
| 23:19.31 | jldiaz | my point is, if the decoder is really badly coded, and wastes CPU cycles, how could I detect it? |
| 23:19.33 | KotCzarny | ie. charge up your nokia |
| 23:19.40 | jldiaz | According to KotCzarny, top is not the way |
| 23:19.45 | KotCzarny | then play mp3 in a loop until battery is dead |
| 23:19.49 | jldiaz | but decoding to /dev/null and timing is not either |
| 23:19.51 | KotCzarny | measure time |
| 23:19.56 | KotCzarny | then, charge again |
| 23:20.05 | KotCzarny | and decode in a loop using another decoder |
| 23:20.14 | KotCzarny | and measure time again |
| 23:20.28 | KotCzarny | that will give you true answer how well it performs |
| 23:20.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.48 | jldiaz | yes KotCzarny, I agree this would be the undeniable way, but... :-) |
| 23:20.55 | jldiaz | I involuntary performed a different test |
| 23:21.01 | jldiaz | I had the battery almost discharged |
| 23:21.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:21.10 | jldiaz | then, I plugged the charger |
| 23:21.15 | jldiaz | and played some music with mpd |
| 23:21.19 | jldiaz | for about two hors |
| 23:21.21 | jldiaz | hours |
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| 23:21.40 | jldiaz | when I stopped the music and unplugged the charger, the batery was still almost empty |
| 23:21.44 | jldiaz | that alarmed me |
| 23:22.24 | jldiaz | in other occasions, in a similar scenario but with mplayer instead of mpd, the battery gets half charged |
| 23:22.40 | jldiaz | does this means something about the decoder? or is my battery becoming to die...? |
| 23:23.01 | jldiaz | (starting to die, was what I meant) |
| 23:23.03 | KotCzarny | it only means that mpd discharges your battery faster when using it as player |
| 23:23.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:23.19 | jldiaz | ok, this is what I thought |
| 23:23.30 | jldiaz | then, I used top to compare CPU usage among mpd and mplayer |
| 23:23.35 | jldiaz | with the aforementionated results |
| 23:23.38 | KotCzarny | ~top |
| 23:23.39 | infobot | hmm... top is not a benchmark |
| 23:23.40 | jldiaz | which points in the same direction |
| 23:23.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:23.51 | jldiaz | I know, I know.. :) |
| 23:24.09 | jldiaz | anyway, 30% vs. 0.1% has to mean something |
| 23:24.12 | Knirch | no |
| 23:24.17 | jldiaz | even if both are lies :-) |
| 23:24.37 | Knirch | actually, it means that one is not the other |
| 23:24.50 | KotCzarny | top won't catch apps which use cpu in very short intervals |
| 23:25.13 | jldiaz | KotCzarny, ok, but these apps are more battery conservative, then |
| 23:25.27 | Knirch | jldiaz: have you tested that? |
| 23:25.28 | KotCzarny | not necessarily |
| 23:25.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:25.42 | Knirch | or are you basing it on the values we shall not mention again |
| 23:25.45 | jldiaz | my point is that the CPU% reported by top is proportional to the battery consumption of the app. |
| 23:25.53 | jldiaz | ok, not linearly, but proportional |
| 23:25.59 | KotCzarny | not necessarily |
| 23:26.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.36 | KotCzarny | i don't know if it would work but try setting interval to 0.1 |
| 23:26.38 | KotCzarny | s |
| 23:26.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.52 | jldiaz | ok, but mpd discharged my battery faster than mplayer |
| 23:27.17 | jldiaz | so this implies a more inefficient implementation |
| 23:27.20 | fireun | tricks are expensive |
| 23:27.23 | jldiaz | so, coming to my original cuestion... |
| 23:27.45 | jldiaz | there is someone working in a more optimized mpd for tablets? |
| 23:28.14 | fireun | there's a lot of people working on a lot of similar things, but nothing really well done anywhere much |
| 23:28.26 | fireun | there are way too many media players for the maemo platform |
| 23:28.50 | jldiaz | and my other question (answered by Knirch, I don't know if the others agree) |
| 23:28.53 | fireun | so since mpd "works" I doubt it gets too much attention |
| 23:29.01 | KotCzarny | there is no such thing as too many apps |
| 23:29.02 | jldiaz | would it be more battery conservative a DSP based implementation? |
| 23:29.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:29.08 | jldiaz | Knirch answered: on the contrary |
| 23:29.14 | fireun | KotCzarny: too many -different- apps |
| 23:29.17 | fireun | KotCzarny: I agree |
| 23:29.42 | KotCzarny | fireun: i would agree if it was, too many different protocols |
| 23:29.42 | Knirch | I've not answered anything |
| 23:29.50 | Knirch | I've questioned your _assumptions_ |
| 23:29.56 | fireun | KotCzarny: but if there are many, and they suck uniformly, and none really give much feature advantage... then there are too many |
| 23:29.58 | KotCzarny | if they all use common ipc, then it's fine |
| 23:29.58 | jldiaz | Knirch, ok, I stand corrected |
| 23:29.59 | KotCzarny | isn't it? |
| 23:30.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:30.30 | jldiaz | so my question remains unanswered :-) |
| 23:31.03 | Knirch | jldiaz: from a user interaction point of view, anything that can be done elsewhere and leave cycles for your main cpu will improve your experience, but says nothing about battery drainage |
| 23:31.59 | Knirch | (depending on how everything is connected and if they share memory bus, if the app is memory intensive, etc, etc, etc, etc) |
| 23:32.07 | jldiaz | Knirch, aha... But since I'm interested in the case of playing music. while no other activity is performed in the tablet, I'm mostly interested in battery life |
| 23:32.26 | jldiaz | and looking for efficient players (in this sense) |
| 23:32.27 | lcuk | jldiaz, if the cpu has clocked itself down to powersave speed (166mhz) then any process running at that will be showing as higher cpu usage than the same app running under the 400mhz performance branch. |
| 23:32.47 | KotCzarny | lcuk: that doesn't apply if you use dsp |
| 23:32.49 | jldiaz | lcuk, that is interesting too... |
| 23:32.51 | lcuk | and if the app uses the DSP versus the cpu then similar swings can occur |
| 23:33.02 | KotCzarny | cpu is set to 330/220 then no matter what cpufreq you have set |
| 23:33.11 | Knirch | jldiaz: I'd say: fully charge your nokia, play the same song on repeat, measure the time it takes until it shuts down. Do repeat with next player, and next.. and next.. |
| 23:33.12 | jldiaz | so in the end, the only experiment which could give me a true answer, would be the one suggested by KotCzarny |
| 23:33.14 | KotCzarny | (or 400/133 if you use op_patch) |
| 23:33.27 | Knirch | jldiaz: and do NOTHING else with it for the duration |
| 23:33.34 | lcuk | KotCzarny, o-rly, powersave=166, ondemand between 166 and 400, performance 400 |
| 23:33.56 | KotCzarny | lcuk: play some mp3, check again |
| 23:34.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.00 | jldiaz | Knirch, could you think in some way of perform this experiment automatically, i.e. without my supervision? |
| 23:34.18 | KotCzarny | (using dsp decoder of course) |
| 23:34.21 | lcuk | when dsp in action i know - i was playing on hooiday and the max top total super speed dropped |
| 23:34.24 | GAN800 | fireun, you're working under the assumption that work going into many mediocre media players is work that would otherwise go into one awesome one, which is a stupid assumption. . . . |
| 23:34.37 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it's not dropped |
| 23:34.38 | KotCzarny | it's set |
| 23:34.44 | KotCzarny | no matter what is cpu load |
| 23:34.50 | KotCzarny | it's locked to dsp op freq |
| 23:34.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.59 | Knirch | GAN800++ |
| 23:35.10 | lcuk | yer, the upper limit changes from 400 without dsp to whatever it is when running dsp |
| 23:35.43 | KotCzarny | lcuk: install kernel with op patch for a test |
| 23:35.46 | jldiaz | I think that I could write a small program which measures the time between its starting and the notification of "low-battery", and writes that time in some log... |
| 23:35.53 | KotCzarny | and you can choose what op mode dsp should use |
| 23:35.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:36.05 | fireun | GAN800: I think you assuming what I'm assuming is... well, inaccurate (: |
| 23:36.19 | KotCzarny | so you could test your app with standard and hacked speeds without reboot |
| 23:36.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:36.22 | GAN800 | jldiaz, battery-monitor cab do x time reports. |
| 23:36.35 | GAN800 | It is, fireun. |
| 23:36.36 | jldiaz | I assume that programs receive some kind of signal on low-battery condition |
| 23:36.46 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: yes, kill |
| 23:36.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:36.49 | GAN800 | jldiaz, nitapps.com |
| 23:36.53 | KotCzarny | when the systems goes down :) |
| 23:37.00 | lcuk | "AWOOGA AWOOGA, ABANDON SHIP!" |
| 23:37.02 | jldiaz | hehe, KotCzarny |
| 23:37.07 | jldiaz | I meant, *before* that |
| 23:37.14 | jldiaz | when the alert appears on screen |
| 23:37.18 | KotCzarny | probably some info on dbus |
| 23:37.23 | KotCzarny | but you have to listen to it |
| 23:37.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.41 | jldiaz | ok, I can do some research about that |
| 23:38.10 | GAN800 | fireun, if you've got such an awesome idea for a media player, why don't you join a project and help make it that? :) |
| 23:39.10 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 23:39.15 | KotCzarny | i should find me some breakfast |
| 23:44.36 | GAN800 | I've got a dual-monitor N800 setup going here . . . TV on one, irc/web on the other. |
| 23:45.10 | KotCzarny | has quadruple-monitor setup |
| 23:45.30 | KotCzarny | 1x 1600x1200, 2x1024x768, 1x800x480 |
| 23:47.54 | fireun | GAN800: there you go assuming again (: |
| 23:48.14 | fireun | I dont believe I said anything to that affect |
| 23:48.22 | fireun | or effect either |
| 23:48.38 | KotCzarny | affected effect |
| 23:48.46 | fireun | heh, yes. |
| 23:49.16 | KotCzarny | has pierogi |
| 23:49.37 | fireun | is that like french orange juice? |
| 23:49.41 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:49.51 | fireun | is it a legal word? |
| 23:49.59 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 23:50.04 | KotCzarny | in the same way as pizza |
| 23:50.04 | fireun | like dictionary word |
| 23:50.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.31 | KotCzarny | http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/6/63/250px-Ruskie.jpg |
| 23:50.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.49 | KotCzarny | http://www.answers.com/topic/pierogi |
| 23:50.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.53 | fireun | like wontons, but different |
| 23:50.58 | GAN800 | Then quit yer bitching, fireun. ;) |
| 23:51.00 | fireun | and I'm hungry either way |
| 23:51.10 | fireun | GAN800: yer funny |
| 23:51.36 | fireun | KotCzarny: excellent! |
| 23:51.41 | fireun | polish dimsum |
| 23:52.03 | fireun | KotCzarny: what kind of sauce do you (if at all) dip it in? |
| 23:52.10 | KotCzarny | none |
| 23:52.17 | KotCzarny | they are filled with cheese |
| 23:52.21 | fireun | oooh |
| 23:52.47 | KotCzarny | white (cottage?) cheese |
| 23:53.01 | fireun | all I've had is some toast, coffee, bananna bread, and coffee today |
| 23:53.13 | fireun | not necessarily in that order |
| 23:53.17 | KotCzarny | make cheese sandwich |
| 23:53.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:53.21 | KotCzarny | *a |
| 23:53.41 | fireun | right, theres quesadillas being made, very close and I may have to step out and get one. (: |
| 23:53.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:54.08 | fireun | hmm, grilled cottage cheese sandwitch... that, may not be advisable. |
| 23:54.15 | KotCzarny | sand witch? |
| 23:54.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:54.28 | fireun | sorry, for some reason the spell checker isnt working |
| 23:54.47 | KotCzarny | never uses spell checkers |
| 23:55.02 | KotCzarny | (other than builtin in my brain of course) |
| 23:55.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:55.17 | fireun | thinks KotCzarny just got it |
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