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| 01:09.51 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: I fixed the camera problem. It was hardware related. I had to push the metal thing above the battery bay to contact the camera. |
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| 02:18.14 | fadec | How can I upgrade the Nokia 770 from mistral to gregal? |
| 02:19.14 | KotCzarny | ~firmware |
| 02:19.15 | infobot | i heard firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ |
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| 02:19.27 | KotCzarny | ~os2008 |
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| 02:19.43 | fadec | ~os2008 for the 770? |
| 02:20.29 | KotCzarny | infobot: itfw is look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 02:20.30 | infobot | okay, KotCzarny |
| 02:20.34 | KotCzarny | ~itfw |
| 02:20.34 | infobot | [itfw] look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 02:20.56 | beford | ~itfw |
| 02:20.56 | infobot | [itfw] look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 02:21.32 | KotCzarny | infobot: itfw is for NIT os/firmware look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 02:21.33 | infobot | ...but itfw is already something else... |
| 02:21.41 | KotCzarny | nvm |
| 02:21.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:21.49 | beford | ~forget itfw |
| 02:21.49 | infobot | beford: i forgot itfw |
| 02:21.54 | KotCzarny | infobot: itfw is for NIT os/firmware look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 02:21.55 | infobot | okay, KotCzarny |
| 02:22.00 | KotCzarny | beford, thx |
| 02:22.23 | pupnik | !stfw |
| 02:22.46 | fadec | sweet! |
| 02:24.12 | KotCzarny | hi pupnik |
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| 02:28.36 | hpg101 | hi all. are there archives of recent threads discussing the n800 unavailability in the states |
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| 03:43.29 | oilinki | good morning |
| 03:43.42 | Navi | good evening |
| 03:46.50 | rm_you | good night |
| 03:47.11 | Navi | Going to bed? |
| 03:47.31 | rm_you | no, but it's definately night time :P |
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| 03:48.20 | Navi | It's night time here too, but I didn't want to say good night 'cuz people mistake it for me going to bed :P |
| 03:49.40 | rm_you | well, i think i managed to clear it up nicely :P |
| 03:50.18 | oilinki | well, I'd like to add that it still would be nice to sleep a bit more, even if it's almost 11am already :) |
| 03:51.23 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:51.31 | rm_you | i've been waking up at 3pm |
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| 03:52.16 | oilinki | heh. sometimes the night is the most productive time there is. |
| 03:53.38 | Relate | true what say you |
| 03:53.40 | rm_you | it's *ALWAYS* the most productive time there is |
| 03:54.55 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 03:54.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:55.08 | Navi | throws bomb-ombs at everyone |
| 03:56.05 | rm_you | throws bomb-ombs at KotCzarny for being a non-believer |
| 03:56.22 | KotCzarny | what's a bomb-omb? |
| 03:57.09 | summatusmentis | ok, so I lied, I didn't get a chance to get my N810 tonight, KotCzarny you were right |
| 03:57.14 | summatusmentis | I'll have it shipped |
| 03:57.20 | Navi | summatusmentis, fail |
| 03:58.18 | summatusmentis | my conference went long, and then I thought the store wanna gonna be close to where I was going in NYC (after conference festivites), but it wasn't, and I don't know my way around NYC enough to navigate to the store, and back here |
| 03:58.22 | summatusmentis | back to where I was, rather |
| 03:58.38 | Navi | :P |
| 03:59.12 | beford | is there any information about what gecko version does microb runs on diablo/chinohook? |
| 03:59.26 | Navi | The same one that was in FF3a1 |
| 04:00.10 | beford | that's diablo, right? |
| 04:00.22 | Navi | It's the same engine version :P |
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| 04:11.43 | beford | hmm, it seems to be an older version |
| 04:13.50 | beford | it uses 2.x gecko engine |
| 04:14.01 | Navi | sighs |
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| 04:26.58 | beford | although about: it says Gecko 20071018/Firefox 3.0a1 :/ |
| 04:27.26 | KotCzarny | 1.5 years old anyway |
| 04:27.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:27.41 | KotCzarny | erm. 0.5 |
| 04:27.53 | KotCzarny | hm |
| 04:27.58 | KotCzarny | no. 1.5 |
| 04:28.07 | KotCzarny | because gecko date is only compilation date |
| 04:28.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:31.29 | beford | yea, that explains why it seems to be vulnerable to the jar: issue |
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| 04:36.53 | mysc | hi all. for any running debian beta3...i'm stuggling with my wpa connection |
| 04:37.36 | rm_you | ooo, i need to grab that |
| 04:37.53 | mysc | any pointers? |
| 04:38.08 | rm_you | no idea how he was handling wpa |
| 04:38.14 | rm_you | i wonder if he even tested that |
| 04:38.22 | rm_you | i'm pretty sure his router is just using WEP |
| 04:38.31 | rm_you | is wpa_supplicant on there? |
| 04:38.38 | rm_you | you'd probably have to ask johnx |
| 04:38.52 | Navi | wpa_supplicant is installed |
| 04:38.54 | Navi | by default |
| 04:39.01 | rm_you | on debian beta3? |
| 04:39.03 | rm_you | >_> |
| 04:39.03 | mysc | yeah. but the wiki has a 2-line snipped of his /etc/network/interfaces with wpa-ssid and wpa-psk - so i assume wpa router |
| 04:39.09 | rm_you | hrm |
| 04:39.17 | rm_you | it wasn't when i was connected to it :P but meh |
| 04:41.07 | rm_you | he should be on in a bit maybe |
| 04:41.09 | mysc | well, i'm outta ideas, i did force the MAC (my router has MAC restrictions) and beta3 brings up a whack mac |
| 04:41.28 | Navi | There's also something in the wiki about that :P |
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| 04:41.35 | Navi | oh |
| 04:42.20 | mysc | yeah, i followed the wiki suggestion. |
| 04:42.23 | mysc | he=? |
| 04:43.43 | mysc | nonetheless, i have edited penguin's chroot script and can chroot over with wireless...the debian rocks! except the kb is hard to use |
| 04:45.34 | Navi | the matchbox keyboard? |
| 04:47.14 | mysc | i get it from the top bar in xfce |
| 04:47.26 | mysc | the mini one in the window |
| 04:47.29 | Navi | http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/ |
| 04:48.05 | Navi | I forget where you stick the xml file |
| 04:48.38 | mysc | that looks nice but it's also a floater. makes it tough when you have term open |
| 04:50.11 | Navi | It resizes my fullscreen apps in openbox |
| 04:50.51 | mysc | ah, that fellow config'd it quite a bit, 2 virt desktops (i have the default 4) and he removed the top 2 left buttons, one "rotates" my desktop into unusability |
| 04:51.38 | Navi | That's my crap |
| 04:51.52 | Navi | I removed xfce4 after that screenshot |
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| 04:52.09 | mysc | heh |
| 04:52.13 | mysc | what do you use now? |
| 04:52.18 | Navi | openbox |
| 04:52.29 | mysc | gotcha. how did you take the screenshots? |
| 04:52.42 | Navi | scrot |
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| 04:53.17 | mysc | did you get wpa working, by chance? |
| 04:53.26 | Navi | no |
| 04:53.51 | Navi | Didn't try |
| 04:54.54 | mysc | i wish i could figure out how to use the kb from maemo when chrooting over to deb (or vnc'ing over) |
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| 05:00.20 | mysc | what's the nick of the fella who put this together? |
| 05:01.00 | rm_you | johnx |
| 05:01.37 | rm_you | he is probably... hrm |
| 05:01.51 | rm_you | probably at work |
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| 05:01.58 | rm_you | johnx: you at work? |
| 05:02.30 | mysc | i gotcha. i spoke to johnx about debian on here, didn't realize he was the author of the tarball |
| 05:06.45 | rm_you | yeah |
| 05:07.00 | rm_you | I keep promising to help him on it, and keep being busy :P |
| 05:07.07 | rm_you | though i really should fix my own app first :P |
| 05:07.37 | mysc | well, i just started an apt-get on network manager, heh. wonder if it'll break everything |
| 05:08.07 | mysc | what's your app? |
| 05:11.31 | RST38h | yawn |
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| 05:30.47 | rm_you | advanced backlight |
| 05:30.58 | rm_you | **statusbar |
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| 06:06.17 | AStorm | heh, I've really fixed^Wworked around the random mmc device nodes bug |
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| 06:26.04 | RST38h | AStorm |
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| 06:44.55 | mysc | OK - i officially give up on wpa/wifi for the night. |
| 06:45.23 | qwerty12 | Morning for me and i'm as tired as **** :/ |
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| 06:47.34 | anidel | good morning |
| 06:47.39 | qwerty12 | morning |
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| 06:48.20 | anidel | hi querty12 |
| 06:48.31 | anidel | how's the devil behaving ? |
| 06:48.49 | qwerty12 | hi, hehe, haven't tried him today :p |
| 06:49.16 | anidel | qwerty12, hot stuff, you should take care.. it burns :P |
| 06:50.12 | anidel | going for a coffee .. tty soon |
| 06:50.31 | qwerty12 | I have to go soon anyway :) |
| 06:50.50 | anidel | talk to you later today then.. bye :) |
| 06:50.58 | qwerty12 | bye :) |
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| 06:56.51 | mysc | ok, this cx3110x module seems to be the problem. i have confirmed at least an off-by-one on the debugging facility |
| 06:57.07 | qwerty12 | Are you on N800 or N810? |
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| 06:58.21 | mysc | 800 |
| 06:59.02 | qwerty12 | Ahh, I thought that was an N810 thing only. I got wifi working on my N800 but I didn't do anything special :/ |
| 06:59.24 | qwerty12 | TIme for me to go, bye. |
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| 07:47.10 | hrw | morning |
| 07:48.42 | zakhary | . |
| 07:48.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:49.14 | starkmjolk | good morning |
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| 07:56.40 | GeneralAntilles | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/05/22/qgtkstyle-makes-kde-apps-fit-in-with-gnome |
| 07:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Might be useful for Qt on maemo. |
| 07:57.00 | Jaffa | Indeed |
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| 07:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | Though I'm most concerned with getting the virtual text-entry working well. |
| 08:00.26 | inz | I just yesterday compiled qgtkstyle for my laptop |
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| 08:01.12 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! |
| 08:01.48 | Khertan_TheReal | does the nokia backup tool can be configured to save also /home/user/.* ? |
| 08:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | Does it not? |
| 08:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | isn't clear on what gets backed up with "Settings" |
| 08:02.53 | Jaffa | No, /home/user/.* isn't saved IIRC |
| 08:03.07 | Jaffa | Every app which wants something saved has to put an XML file in a particular place |
| 08:04.18 | LoCusF | can I use N810's gps system via bluetooth for some other device? |
| 08:04.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ad-hoc via gpsd would probably work better. |
| 08:05.24 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > yes i ve see this is not saved ... i ve lost my ssh key |
| 08:05.49 | Khertan_TheReal | so it s why i ask if i can configure it to save all file in /home/user |
| 08:05.50 | Khertan_TheReal | ;)à |
| 08:06.07 | Khertan_TheReal | Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give |
| 08:06.07 | Khertan_TheReal | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 277 more bytes) |
| 08:06.11 | Khertan_TheReal | oups ww |
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| 08:08.42 | Jaffa | Khertan_TheReal: I raised a bug against the OpenSSH maintainer. It was marked fixed so the openssh package should now include the appropriate file to backup /home/user/.ssh |
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| 08:24.24 | X-Fade | Khertan_TheReal: Did you receive the invitation? |
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| 08:27.40 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > great ... |
| 08:27.46 | Khertan_TheReal | X-Fade> yes thx |
| 08:27.51 | Khertan_TheReal | really fast :) |
| 08:28.02 | X-Fade | We aim to please ;) |
| 08:28.11 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 08:28.23 | KotCzarny | i would like to order cheese pizza |
| 08:28.25 | Khertan_TheReal | i ve just a problem to create my ssh key ... need to collect more entropy ... |
| 08:28.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:28.51 | Khertan_TheReal | it s seems that i don't use enought my tablet |
| 08:28.58 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 08:29.06 | X-Fade | Khertan_TheReal: Download large files? |
| 08:29.08 | KotCzarny | play some mp3 |
| 08:31.34 | jldiaz | drag the stylus randomly through the screen |
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| 08:39.27 | GeneralAntilles | Poke the stylus randomly through the screen. :P |
| 08:39.44 | Navi | Pretend the tablet is an iPhone |
| 08:40.08 | KotCzarny | hit it with a stick |
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| 08:43.42 | MangoFusion | i love my iN800! |
| 08:43.48 | KotCzarny | perv. |
| 08:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | That's the horrible child from your iPhone and N800? :shudder: |
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| 09:11.57 | pupnik_ | I want n9x0 to have: omap3230 @800mhz max, 256MB RAM, transflective screen, 2x Micro-SDHC slots, multi-boot loader and boot from either SDHC, charging XOR operation off USB power, HDMI OUT, 1-2M camera, OpenGL2.0 ES and OpenGL support, open-source accelerated media playback, an OpenGL UI, hardware key (or combo) for right click, improved GPS or NO gps, longer battery life, framebuffer vsync @50-60fps from userspace, hardshell case. |
| 09:12.15 | Khertan_TheReal | argggg !!!!!!!! |
| 09:12.31 | keesj | TheRealAAAAAAAAAAAAAArg |
| 09:12.41 | Khertan_TheReal | i still not get enough entropy ! |
| 09:12.41 | KotCzarny | hrm |
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| 09:13.01 | KotCzarny | pupnik, how about accelerometer? |
| 09:13.21 | pupnik_ | I'll take it |
| 09:13.30 | forge | Pupnik, those sound nice but yeah, accelerometer would be nice |
| 09:13.47 | KotCzarny | and gaming buttons |
| 09:13.54 | TheRealArrrrrg | xterm with top + mp3 playing + mplayer playing a divx + some random click with stylus .... |
| 09:14.00 | keesj | and a head mount |
| 09:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3230? |
| 09:14.36 | pupnik_ | gaming buttons would ruin the image for target market, but gaming compatible dpad, and the slide out keyboard would work well |
| 09:14.39 | inz | Khertan, qh325oi3h 65oi8w3p4t987qw98ry67q8923pq5b328954v q4389 ty34p9 62389nwt58 p9e47as t86p498e6w89p3a74esa98t7pe48 t6awer |
| 09:14.48 | inz | Khertan, there's some entropy for you |
| 09:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3440'll kill battery life. |
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| 09:15.06 | KotCzarny | inz: your entropy has suspiciously many 8s |
| 09:15.28 | pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: would you be fine with a thicker unit than the n810? |
| 09:15.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 09:15.38 | inz | Kot, well, in random that can happed |
| 09:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | and larger overall |
| 09:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | The thickness of the N800's hump is fine with me. |
| 09:16.34 | pupnik_ | how about two different back covers for diff size batteries? one thin, one thick? |
| 09:16.52 | KotCzarny | how about battery integrated in back cover? |
| 09:17.06 | TheRealArrrrrg | not a great idea |
| 09:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds more complicated than it needs to be. |
| 09:17.22 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 09:17.35 | KotCzarny | some phones utilize that for a few years already |
| 09:17.44 | TheRealArrrrrg | with the actual one u can find easily other battery as it the same as some other nokia's phone |
| 09:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather see a thicker default unit that utilizes the additional thickness for cool stuff. |
| 09:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | beyond just a bigger battery. |
| 09:18.08 | KotCzarny | or just a piggy back second battery |
| 09:18.14 | KotCzarny | using standard plug |
| 09:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | Really, I want a 3.5", 4.1" and 7" model. |
| 09:18.34 | pupnik_ | omap has some nice media acceleration: anybody know how open TI is with the libraries for it? |
| 09:18.40 | pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: good idea :) |
| 09:18.55 | KotCzarny | pupnik: sdk is available for opengl es |
| 09:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe make the 4.1" a 4.5", get rid of a little bezel and do 1024x600 |
| 09:19.04 | mysc | do those 2.5 drive cases (case logic, iomega) fit the n800? the internal dims say 5.5" on the long side and n800 is 5.625" |
| 09:19.09 | KotCzarny | but it's up to manufacturer to include drivers |
| 09:19.11 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, it's more an issue of the PowerVR guys than TI. |
| 09:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, you mean IVA2? |
| 09:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno about that |
| 09:19.26 | inz | on-the-fly replaceable batteries and bundled battery charger and secondary battery |
| 09:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | but OMAP3 is more open overall than previous OMAPs. |
| 09:19.37 | pupnik_ | i believe omap3430 has media acceleration that is *not* in the powervr, but i'm going from glitchy memory |
| 09:19.39 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: larger screen size, slightly larger overall would be a winner for me |
| 09:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | inz, a fat-cap for battery swapping would be great. |
| 09:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, I've got a 2.5" case logic case. |
| 09:20.03 | TheRealArrrrrg | an integrated dynamo ... too :) |
| 09:20.04 | GeneralAntilles | Absolutely perfect fit for N800 + iGo |
| 09:20.08 | pupnik_ | inz wow, on the fly - kewl :) |
| 09:20.15 | TheRealArrrrrg | and 1Go of Ram |
| 09:20.18 | TheRealArrrrrg | :) |
| 09:20.23 | pupnik_ | no, ram consumes battery |
| 09:20.31 | mysc | GA, one for each i presume? |
| 09:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 09:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | One for both |
| 09:20.40 | TheRealArrrrrg | pupnik > it s why i want a dynamo :) |
| 09:20.52 | mysc | ?? |
| 09:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/CaseLogic-Small-External-Drive-Case/dp/B000HDJT4S |
| 09:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | Best Buy carries them in-store. |
| 09:20.58 | pupnik_ | buys TheRealArrrrrg an exercise bicycle with dynamo |
| 09:21.32 | TheRealArrrrrg | and more important ... a better random generator ... to be able to create gpg key more easily ... |
| 09:21.33 | inz | pupnik, that would be great, but I guess no one will implement it |
| 09:21.35 | mysc | how does that fit an n800 and an igo? (do you mean the igo ultra-slim?) |
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| 09:22.03 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5" at 800x480 (Mylo 2 proved this works) 4.1-4.5" at 1024x600 and 7" at 1280x768 |
| 09:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | Whichever the 2-fold iGo is. |
| 09:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389 |
| 09:23.11 | mysc | hard exterior, ga? |
| 09:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hard fabric, basically. |
| 09:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | It'll hold up fine in a backback or something |
| 09:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hard foam, actually. |
| 09:24.11 | mysc | aha, thanks. wonder why a hard case never caught on...alum or other |
| 09:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | I toss a 770 and my iGo in there when I'm traveling (N800 stays in my pocket). |
| 09:24.55 | mysc | is there an easy patch to increase os2008 128mb swap limit? |
| 09:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | Linux! |
| 09:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Not really much point, though. |
| 09:25.45 | GeneralAntilles | Flash is slow. |
| 09:25.57 | KotCzarny | mysc: if you need more flash then you are something wrong |
| 09:26.05 | KotCzarny | erm, more swap |
| 09:26.13 | KotCzarny | doing |
| 09:26.15 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: flash is not slow - jffs2 is |
| 09:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | jffs2 has nothing to do with the SD cards. |
| 09:26.41 | GeneralAntilles | Flash is slow to use as RAM. |
| 09:26.51 | hrw | ah |
| 09:26.56 | hrw | sory - did not read |
| 09:26.59 | KotCzarny | writes of 512b to a blocks with 128kb erase size sucks |
| 09:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 09:27.08 | RST38h | swap != ram |
| 09:27.19 | RST38h | swap is written in pages |
| 09:27.22 | hrw | I do not use swap in current desktop |
| 09:28.06 | mysc | so you all don't set up virtual memory (swap) on os2008 on the internal sd? |
| 09:28.21 | mysc | this is a boot off an sd, not off the flash, btw |
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| 09:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, yes, swap on internal. |
| 09:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, I know swap isn't RAM. . . . |
| 09:30.21 | KotCzarny | sd is a flash too |
| 09:30.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:30.54 | mysc | anyways, with oowriter open on my debian chroot, i have little mem left... |
| 09:31.06 | KotCzarny | people start using onenand to describe internal flash |
| 09:32.05 | KotCzarny | 1n& |
| 09:32.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 09:34.30 | mysc | GA, how close to a laptop kb is that igo one? |
| 09:34.35 | GeneralAntilles | Not very |
| 09:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Only 4-row |
| 09:34.44 | KotCzarny | if you had toshiba laptop |
| 09:34.53 | KotCzarny | it's similiar |
| 09:35.21 | KotCzarny | but numbers and f-keys are accessible with fn combo |
| 09:35.38 | KotCzarny | there is a model with numbers included |
| 09:35.44 | mysc | i can't decide between that and the 3-fold one with numbers |
| 09:35.44 | KotCzarny | could be more useful for some |
| 09:35.59 | KotCzarny | get more keys |
| 09:35.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, iGo + Apple |
| 09:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | iGo for portable, Apple for fullsize. |
| 09:36.40 | GeneralAntilles | "fullsize laptop" |
| 09:37.26 | mysc | i now use a usb full kb, but i am worried that the cable movement is going to break the mini-b connector on the nit |
| 09:38.05 | KotCzarny | would like a kb with a trackpoint |
| 09:38.18 | mysc | yeah, that would be great |
| 09:38.27 | KotCzarny | ibm had them |
| 09:38.34 | mysc | bt? |
| 09:38.39 | KotCzarny | usb |
| 09:39.19 | mysc | is there a maemo (linux) driver for it? |
| 09:39.33 | KotCzarny | no driver needed i think |
| 09:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | pckeyboard.com |
| 09:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | Unicomp makes 'em |
| 09:42.23 | mysc | i worry, that the shuffling of the cable will loosen the connector though. the nokia dongle is very stiff |
| 09:42.27 | KotCzarny | No Longer Available |
| 09:42.34 | KotCzarny | for a http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/migmousblac.html |
| 09:42.55 | KotCzarny | and price is sick |
| 09:42.57 | KotCzarny | 110$ |
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| 09:43.58 | mysc | $110? nuts |
| 09:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a couple of their USB "Model M" keyboard |
| 09:44.22 | GeneralAntilles | they make fantastic stuff |
| 09:44.37 | mysc | speaking of nuts, 16GB sd's...still in the $70s |
| 09:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nuts? |
| 09:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | You're kidding, right? |
| 09:44.54 | GeneralAntilles | Look at the price of a 16GB CF |
| 09:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, they were $140 4 months ago. |
| 09:45.22 | RST38h | $70 is only $45 in 2001 USD |
| 09:45.30 | RST38h | So it's cheap |
| 09:46.12 | mysc | now, what's really nuts are the prices on SSD drives...that's a seagate move though |
| 09:46.40 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 09:46.47 | KotCzarny | ssd is 500$+ stuff |
| 09:46.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:47.30 | KotCzarny | if you stumble on anything cheaper it's old and slow |
| 09:48.04 | KotCzarny | i would like memory cards/drives with a raw access to the flash chip |
| 09:48.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:48.28 | mysc | Kot, i know why you were so up on booting off sd. it is a lot faster #1, you have the added space #2, and you can mount it as usb if you boot from flash.... |
| 09:48.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:48.51 | KotCzarny | and if you fsck something up it's easier to fix |
| 09:49.07 | mysc | yep |
| 09:49.07 | pupnik_ | and you can back up with simple 'dd' command |
| 09:49.19 | KotCzarny | no mtd magic needed, indeed |
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| 09:49.41 | mysc | right. dd is not space saavy though. why not just use tar? |
| 09:49.53 | KotCzarny | and you can intantly have many version of os |
| 09:50.08 | KotCzarny | with just a swap of card |
| 09:50.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:50.17 | KotCzarny | mysc: dd | gzip |
| 09:50.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:50.27 | mysc | tar | tar :) |
| 09:50.43 | KotCzarny | i like lzo though |
| 09:50.48 | TheRealArrrrrg | someone have try mCalendar ? |
| 09:51.15 | KotCzarny | 16gb cf is 60-70$ |
| 09:51.40 | KotCzarny | 32gb cf is 140$ |
| 09:51.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:51.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: BTW, have you done a grep for RX-44 in the diablo file system, and then checked to see if there are any references to other hardware models as well? |
| 09:51.56 | mysc | i was so happy when i saw LyX in the "working apps" list, but it's an empty garage :) |
| 09:52.23 | KotCzarny | mysc: probably you have to grab the source and compile |
| 09:52.37 | KotCzarny | or just search harder |
| 09:53.14 | mysc | it is dependency hell, it relies on tex, and might be qt based |
| 09:53.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:53.40 | mysc | plus i've not set up my sdk yet and started down the path of porting. |
| 09:54.11 | KotCzarny | no 64gb cfs, hum |
| 09:54.14 | mysc | getting qt libs on maemo would be neat, would open up a lot of options |
| 09:55.30 | mysc | ok - gotta run. cheers. |
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| 09:57.06 | KotCzarny | 32gb sd is 700$ |
| 09:57.08 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:58.12 | KotCzarny | correction, 270$ for a sandisk ultra ii |
| 09:58.14 | KotCzarny | nice |
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| 10:09.37 | KotCzarny | http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/electrolaptops_2001_12028964 |
| 10:09.37 | KotCzarny | mm |
| 10:14.51 | KotCzarny | http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/31734/vpid/4883873/vpcsid/0/rid/124330 |
| 10:14.53 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 10:14.59 | KotCzarny | interesting |
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| 10:17.31 | KotCzarny | power rating 5v, 1.5a, lol |
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| 10:24.20 | Gnuton | hi |
| 10:26.20 | anidel | hi |
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| 10:36.33 | TheRealArrrrrg | what do u think of my new site : khertan.net ? |
| 10:36.55 | KotCzarny | is it for khertans from all over the world? |
| 10:37.26 | TheRealArrrrrg | there is only one :) |
| 10:37.35 | KotCzarny | then it's not .net |
| 10:37.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:38.01 | TheRealArrrrrg | yes but when i ve try to registered 5 years ago my domain ... |
| 10:38.12 | KotCzarny | don't mind me |
| 10:38.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:38.40 | TheRealArrrrrg | between the time i make a search if domain is available ... and register it ... 10 min ... there is parking domain company which register .com and .org ... |
| 10:39.31 | KotCzarny | domain parking is evil. |
| 10:39.43 | jku_ | that's probably not actual parking... |
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| 10:40.12 | TheRealArrrrrg | and .com is more for commercials things ... .org for organization ... and .fr for french company ... so .net is a better choice i think |
| 10:40.22 | jku_ | they can make a "reservation" for some time (maybe two weeks?) in the hopes you'd buy the domain you just searched for |
| 10:40.34 | jku_ | it's still evil though |
| 10:41.00 | TheRealArrrrrg | it was 5 years ago ... and they have bought it for one year |
| 10:41.05 | TheRealArrrrrg | not a reservation ... |
| 10:41.20 | jku_ | wow, nice business model they have |
| 10:41.22 | TheRealArrrrrg | now i make my search only at gandi ... |
| 10:41.31 | TheRealArrrrrg | jku_ > yes :) |
| 10:42.17 | TheRealArrrrrg | http://browsershots.org/ |
| 10:42.18 | TheRealArrrrrg | oups ww |
| 10:44.04 | TheRealArrrrrg | pfff msie is still the same stupid browser http://browsershots.org/screenshots/45b9619fb1e16d514af50088ac87d137/ |
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| 10:49.23 | lardman | morning all |
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| 10:56.51 | lardman | lcuk: did you get my email? |
| 10:57.04 | anidel | who ? :) |
| 10:57.08 | anidel | oh sorry : |
| 10:57.09 | anidel | :) |
| 10:57.26 | anidel | I'm hungry... need to eat |
| 10:57.34 | lardman | mmm, bacon |
| 10:58.23 | anidel | :) going for lunch bye |
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| 11:18.45 | lcuk | lardman, yes :) not in time though, i had 2 days to respond but arrived back after 3. ive mailed them and asked to reactivate it (though the language barrier was a problem) |
| 11:21.31 | pupnik_ | hi lcuk how goes it |
| 11:22.03 | lardman | lcuk: It will probably just come back to me |
| 11:22.11 | lardman | lcuk: so I can send it again if you want |
| 11:22.13 | lcuk | its good actually, i was able to take lots of notes over the last week and even managed to hack a bit at the program to compile on device |
| 11:22.26 | lardman | anyone else need a ticket? |
| 11:22.32 | pupnik_ | to what |
| 11:22.37 | lardman | LinuxTag |
| 11:22.42 | lcuk | lardman, i didnt reply, i sent it to the address they gave if there are any problem |
| 11:23.08 | pupnik_ | quim said speakers get in free. do you know if that is correct lcuk? |
| 11:23.12 | lardman | lcuk: I meant the ticket will come back to me |
| 11:23.23 | lardman | pupnik_: yep, but you do need a ticket though |
| 11:23.30 | lardman | a free one |
| 11:23.35 | pupnik_ | how do i get? |
| 11:23.42 | lardman | would you like one? |
| 11:23.43 | lardman | :) |
| 11:23.45 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 11:23.46 | lardman | send me an email |
| 11:24.00 | X-Fade_ | Hmm I need to get one too. Totally forgot about that ;) |
| 11:24.01 | pupnik | prvmsg? |
| 11:24.11 | lardman | yep that's fine |
| 11:24.13 | lcuk | now knows EXACTLY what he wants to do with his 810 :) |
| 11:24.26 | lardman | X-Fade_: likewise, send me an email, I've got ~7 left iitc |
| 11:24.28 | lardman | iirc |
| 11:24.53 | trickie_ | lardman: ta for mine, i know keesj was looking for one |
| 11:24.55 | X-Fade_ | lardman: niels @ maemo ;) |
| 11:25.42 | lcuk | lardman, its a bit tough to get into specifics now cos ive got a butty in one hand and im at work, if you pop on tonight we can go through some more specifics |
| 11:28.25 | lcuk | i dont think ill get into the linux convention with or without a ticket anyway. ive got a suntan - they will think i am a spy. linux folks keep themselves closetted away |
| 11:29.25 | lardman | lcuk: oh |
| 11:29.35 | lardman | lcuk: I thought you were supposed to be presenting though? |
| 11:29.49 | lcuk | i am, it was a joke :P |
| 11:30.16 | lcuk | remembers that irc isnt the best medium |
| 11:30.47 | lardman | ok, sorry, trying to do too many things atm, sarcasm filter is off line! |
| 11:30.54 | lardman | :) |
| 11:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk == JOKE FAIL |
| 11:31.27 | lcuk | damn |
| 11:31.38 | lardman | X-Fade_: I before E- triple checked |
| 11:32.07 | lardman | X-Fade_: enroute through the ether |
| 11:32.10 | X-Fade_ | yep niels ;) |
| 11:32.26 | lcuk | so lardman, have you actually got tickets waiting there, or is it something we still need to contact ltag directly for |
| 11:32.37 | X-Fade_ | I know it is hard, whenever I'm on holiday my name changes to Neil ;) |
| 11:32.39 | lardman | I was given 10 |
| 11:32.41 | lardman | to distribute |
| 11:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, X-Fade_. |
| 11:33.02 | lardman | I was also told that Quim will have some, so I don't have to search out all the presenters |
| 11:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | Why was lardman given 10? I don't think that's fair. :P |
| 11:33.21 | lardman | I'm presenting, and I asked |
| 11:33.37 | lardman | on the mailing list, if you remember my alterego - Simon Pickering |
| 11:33.40 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: I stopped caring actually, that is a battle I will never win :P |
| 11:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, sure . . . brownnoser. :P |
| 11:33.44 | Jaffa | curses damned cousin getting married, now |
| 11:33.47 | lardman | :) |
| 11:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Poor Jaffa |
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| 11:34.43 | Jaffa | So inconsiderate. |
| 11:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | Blow it off, live a little. ;) |
| 11:35.09 | Jaffa | ...by going to a Linux conference? Yeeeesss. |
| 11:35.42 | lcuk | dont tell them its a linux conference then - tell them you are going to a conservation meeting - save the penguin |
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| 11:40.49 | lardman | lcuk: I've just read the blurb on the ticket and it says you have to accept within 48h otherwise it comes back to me |
| 11:40.58 | lardman | lcuk: so let me know if I should send you another one |
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| 11:47.17 | lcuk | lardman, i sent a mail back to tickets@linuxtag.org without realising it was directed from you, if they havent responded by tonight then could you just activate another one to me please |
| 11:49.43 | KotCzarny | VIDEO: [] 160x120 24bpp 15.004 fps 6913.9 kbps (844.0 kbyte/s) |
| 11:49.46 | KotCzarny | d'oh. |
| 11:51.22 | lardman | lcuk: yep, email me this evening and tell me one way or another; I'll be out but will check when I get back in |
| 11:55.40 | hrw | hmm.. according to http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-special-timeline-from.html 770 box was changed in half of 2006 year |
| 11:55.55 | hrw | my 770 from 2007 has old box anyway |
| 11:56.04 | lardman | hrw: did you get my email? |
| 11:56.14 | KotCzarny | hrw: maybe you got a refurb? |
| 11:56.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, I've got both boxes. |
| 11:58.48 | Alendit_ | hey |
| 11:59.31 | Alendit_ | got some problem here, i've installed chinook on ubuntu following instructions from maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org |
| 12:00.04 | Alendit_ | now i can't get source of package with 'can't locate controllib.pl in @INC' |
| 12:00.12 | Alendit_ | any ideas what should i do? |
| 12:00.21 | hrw | lardman: Lt2008 one? |
| 12:00.28 | lardman | hrw: yep |
| 12:00.32 | hrw | lardman: got it - sorry for lack of answer |
| 12:00.48 | hrw | lardman: I have to talk with boss - will know on monday ;( |
| 12:00.53 | lardman | hrw: I've been away, was wondering if my email had gone wrong |
| 12:01.01 | lardman | hrw: np, will save you one if you want |
| 12:01.36 | hrw | KotCzarny: there was no 'refurbished' info there |
| 12:01.49 | KotCzarny | hidden refurb? |
| 12:01.50 | hrw | KotCzarny: but it does not matter anyway |
| 12:02.02 | KotCzarny | serviced unit? |
| 12:02.27 | KotCzarny | maybe warehouse spare? |
| 12:04.14 | hrw | I got it for free - boxed, never opened etc |
| 12:04.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:04.40 | KotCzarny | could be warehouse spare |
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| 12:05.19 | hrw | maybe |
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| 12:15.34 | Sakkath | what wireless driver does n800 use |
| 12:16.15 | lardman | a closed source one |
| 12:16.18 | Sakkath | airodump-ng is too wide for osso_xterm and i can't see the ESSID |
| 12:16.25 | Sakkath | lardman: so I can't do iwlist scanning? |
| 12:16.43 | lardman | I'm not an expert on it; anyone else know? |
| 12:18.27 | X-Fade_ | I think it should be able to do iwlist scanning. |
| 12:18.38 | X-Fade_ | monitor mode is a different matter ;) |
| 12:19.11 | Sakkath | it says iface doesn't support scanning--i've even tried ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 12:20.43 | hrw | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# iwlist wlan0 scanning|grep Cell|wc 4 20 188 |
| 12:20.50 | hrw | 4 networks found |
| 12:21.26 | Sakkath | well |
| 12:21.38 | Sakkath | it seems after i've run airodump my regular gui wireless tool can't pick up networks |
| 12:21.44 | Sakkath | i donno how to fix it so i'll just restart |
| 12:22.39 | KotCzarny | there was a tool on maemo.org to reset wifi to normal state |
| 12:22.45 | KotCzarny | forgot the name though |
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| 12:23.05 | Sakkath | KotCzarny: if you ever find out let me know, even if i'm not on this chan i'm always on freenode =] |
| 12:23.11 | KotCzarny | well |
| 12:23.14 | KotCzarny | just google for it |
| 12:23.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:23.16 | Sakkath | ok |
| 12:24.06 | Sakkath | later gonna take a long time to pinpoint that one out |
| 12:24.20 | KotCzarny | pingpoint |
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| 12:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2007/10/resetwlan-for-n800.html |
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| 12:26.35 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: no link there |
| 12:26.37 | KotCzarny | probably reinserts the module and runs wlan-cal |
| 12:26.39 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 12:26.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, it's a starting point. |
| 12:26.55 | GeneralAntilles | a starting point is better than nothing. |
| 12:26.57 | hrw | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/resetwlan/ |
| 12:27.11 | Sakkath | GeneralAntilles: hrw thanks! |
| 12:27.29 | Sakkath | and hrw* |
| 12:27.39 | KotCzarny | and me? |
| 12:28.00 | Sakkath | yeah always thanks to you KotCzarny you've helped me more than anyone in this channel since i got my n800 :P |
| 12:28.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:28.33 | KotCzarny | wanna my paypal donate link? |
| 12:28.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:29.06 | Sakkath | i laughed in real life |
| 12:29.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 12:30.10 | Sakkath | what about havnig airodump-ng not be so wide or make it fit some other way |
| 12:30.24 | KotCzarny | change font in term |
| 12:30.42 | Sakkath | oh, nice |
| 12:30.45 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: Thanks! :) |
| 12:32.24 | KotCzarny | ok, i should get me some sleep, night people |
| 12:32.52 | Sakkath | can you set a proxy ? |
| 12:32.58 | hrw | ~curse repository.maemo.org |
| 12:32.59 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, repository.maemo.org ! |
| 12:33.23 | simboss | guys quick question... I am trying to repackage a debianized app for the n800 using the source, but I am getting this trange error |
| 12:33.32 | simboss | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 12:33.33 | simboss | dpkg-source: failure: md5sum swig1.3_1.3.35.orig.tar.gz failed with unknown exit |
| 12:33.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: qgil's gone and slapped down our N900 fun ;-/ |
| 12:34.06 | X-Fade_ | lol :) |
| 12:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | Bastard! |
| 12:34.48 | Sakkath | wait i got it nevermind |
| 12:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, ? |
| 12:37.01 | guenther | I am Karsten Bräckelmann, one of the maemo.org bugmaster. |
| 12:37.34 | guenther | Thanks for that ITT comment about closing bugs fixed in Diablo. |
| 12:37.47 | guenther | I wholeheartedly agree. :) |
| 12:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | I was a little disturbed to find so many old, resolved ones left unresolved when I went through a few days ago. |
| 12:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | Putting some of the itT eyes on the issue should help, hopefully. |
| 12:38.51 | guenther | One thing Andre and me want to change are devs commenting in bugzilla. |
| 12:39.01 | guenther | But until we got that done... |
| 12:39.12 | guenther | Community action is just cool! |
| 12:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | What, progress on #630? :P |
| 12:39.35 | florian | hi guenther |
| 12:39.35 | hrw | Jaffa: ? |
| 12:39.42 | anidel | hi guys |
| 12:39.45 | guenther | Also, I agree on the permission bits. |
| 12:39.52 | sp3000 | is a click-happy idiot and joins "#630?" |
| 12:39.52 | anidel | finally I've eaten :) |
| 12:40.04 | hrw | #2899? |
| 12:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | Good job, sp3000! |
| 12:40.21 | guenther | If anyone believes he deserves bugzilla permission bits, feel free to poke me! |
| 12:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, would there, perhaps, be a more formalized permission bit acquisition system coming that I could point people towards? |
| 12:40.33 | lardman | Some of the bugs are a bit airy-fairy too, complaints but no suggestions about what to do to fix them |
| 12:40.52 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: probably not |
| 12:41.05 | guenther | I am hanging out in here regularly. |
| 12:41.05 | AStorm | sp3000: don't forget to check out #0,1 while you're at it |
| 12:41.12 | sp3000 | :þ |
| 12:41.31 | guenther | I believe this is a good place to discus this, too. Lacking a dedicated #maemo-bugs channel. ;) |
| 12:41.39 | sp3000 | if 0,1 looked like a likely bug number I might ;) |
| 12:41.42 | guenther | waits for sp3000 to join there |
| 12:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | guenther, just point them in your's or andre's direction, then? |
| 12:41.47 | anidel | :) |
| 12:41.58 | guenther | GeneralAntilles: yep |
| 12:42.00 | AStorm | sp3000: what about the master bug #0 ? |
| 12:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds good, then. |
| 12:42.46 | guenther | We are here for you! We want a strong community, and will help in any way we can. |
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| 12:42.56 | sp3000 | AStorm: that actually does link to bug 0 in this client :) |
| 12:43.02 | anidel | guenther: good :) |
| 12:43.06 | AStorm | sp3000: lol |
| 12:43.20 | Sakkath | it's hard to tell because airodump reports things falsley sometimes |
| 12:43.20 | guenther | florian, anidel: hi |
| 12:43.26 | anidel | guardian, hi |
| 12:43.28 | Sakkath | such as, this open one is reported as wpa2 |
| 12:43.28 | anidel | ops |
| 12:43.31 | anidel | guenther, hi :) |
| 12:43.34 | AStorm | updates wine to 1.0-rc1 and goes to play Planeescape |
| 12:43.35 | sp3000 | didn't notice the lack of 'bug' near '#630' |
| 12:43.41 | AStorm | ok people |
| 12:43.41 | hrw | AStorm: Torment? |
| 12:43.44 | Sakkath | falsely |
| 12:43.57 | AStorm | hrw: is there any other? :P |
| 12:44.16 | hrw | AStorm: wanted to be sure |
| 12:44.31 | hrw | AStorm: I bought it ~5 years ago and never had time to finish |
| 12:44.31 | guenther | Now, if I would figure out how to register... |
| 12:44.37 | AStorm | ok, I'll set up remote X |
| 12:44.45 | AStorm | and play it on N |
| 12:45.10 | hrw | AStorm: do you have 'rigthclickbuttone'? |
| 12:45.12 | AStorm | 640x480, right? |
| 12:45.18 | AStorm | does it run on GemRB? |
| 12:45.35 | AStorm | hrw: how do I add them? |
| 12:46.00 | hrw | AStorm: according to pupnik n900 will have one ;) (at least he wants it) |
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| 12:46.20 | AStorm | well, I could use a right click modifier key |
| 12:46.31 | AStorm | that turns a left click into right one |
| 12:46.41 | AStorm | possible in software? |
| 12:46.47 | KotCzarny | astorm: use xvkbd |
| 12:46.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:46.58 | KotCzarny | i have added this hack to it |
| 12:47.07 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, and it'll right click for me? |
| 12:47.09 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:47.19 | KotCzarny | no, it swaps left and right mb |
| 12:47.21 | AStorm | it won't fir anyway |
| 12:47.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:47.27 | andre___ | comes out of a meeting and fully agrees with every guenther has written here |
| 12:47.30 | AStorm | naah, can't |
| 12:47.36 | KotCzarny | anyway, it's a matter of xmodmap |
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| 12:48.30 | AStorm | I need both keys |
| 12:48.32 | KotCzarny | map some key to exec a script that will swap the mb |
| 12:48.47 | AStorm | hmmmm |
| 12:48.55 | AStorm | that could worj :) |
| 12:48.59 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 12:49.01 | AStorm | *work |
| 12:49.24 | KotCzarny | but i should be in bed |
| 12:49.26 | KotCzarny | night. |
| 12:49.50 | AStorm | heh, it's 1500 here ;) |
| 12:49.52 | AStorm | night |
| 12:50.07 | anidel | night |
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| 12:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know if there's a 64x64 question mark version of this lying around? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_Info_icon.png |
| 12:52.12 | Stskeeps | hm. does n800/n810 support WMM/WME? i'm having odd problems with my n800 draining a lot of power when at home, and just discovered WME/WMM is disabled on my home router. |
| 12:52.52 | Stskeeps | but not when i'm connected for instance to the uni wlan :) |
| 12:52.56 | anidel | GA: there should be.. mmm |
| 12:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, can you think of a good maemo icon for "Troubleshooting"? |
| 12:54.24 | AStorm | Stskeeps: it does |
| 12:54.38 | AStorm | that's the power saving option |
| 12:56.10 | Stskeeps | that'll explain i guess.. will just run a idle wifi test to see if that was it |
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| 12:56.30 | Stskeeps | it's good to know something like that before deploying the same router+wifi device set to patients :> |
| 12:57.16 | AStorm | can't wait for the memristor to shrink electronics 100x |
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| 13:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just need one more for troubleshooting. . . . https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 13:02.51 | TheRealArrrrrg | Hi ... again |
| 13:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | 42? You have the answer? :P |
| 13:03.19 | Khertan_42 | yes ... |
| 13:03.26 | Khertan_42 | do u have the question ? |
| 13:03.29 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: none of the device? |
| 13:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | qgn_list_cp_devicesetup.png might work |
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| 13:04.50 | guenther | hmm... "Junior Member". How embarrassing. :) |
| 13:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | 100 posts |
| 13:05.07 | GeneralAntilles | Spam, spam, spam! :P |
| 13:05.15 | guenther | hah |
| 13:05.21 | GeneralAntilles | There it is! |
| 13:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | qgn_list_help.png |
| 13:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | <3 CoverFlow |
| 13:07.12 | Jaffa | That reminds me. Must raise a MediaBox bug |
| 13:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, there it is: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 13:07.40 | Khertan_42 | is there a documentation somewhere on how to make a hires icon in a .desktop on maemo.org ? |
| 13:08.01 | RST38h | Khertan: maemo.org, Documentation, Tutorials, 4.x |
| 13:08.26 | RST38h | Khertan: It is an SVG icon (use Inkscape to edit) of the size described in the above tutorial |
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| 13:18.12 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: could do with some padding or something, or the icons precededing the titles in the text boxes |
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| 13:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | The icons went weird with the title boxes when I right-aligned them. |
| 13:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Which was unexpected, but not entirely undesired. |
| 13:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | Though it screws up the rest of the text in the box. |
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| 13:21.36 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah, the images have <div class="floatright"> |
| 13:21.54 | GeneralAntilles | Added automatically be mediawiki |
| 13:22.03 | Jaffa | Indeed. More brute forced HTML? |
| 13:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | They're [[Image:<name>|size|right]] |
| 13:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I could, I suppose. :P |
| 13:22.30 | Jaffa | is willing to get his hands dirty. Alternatively, hang on... |
| 13:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should come up with a finalized super-catoregy list already. . . . :P |
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| 13:23.53 | Khertan_42 | RST38h > thx |
| 13:24.49 | Khertan_42 | is there in the room someone able to do for mCalendar an nice icon of a calendar in SVG ... |
| 13:25.01 | Khertan_42 | all my attemps is ... how to say ... horrible ... |
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| 13:26.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: just tried to improve it, but on my screen width the titles are now wrapping which isn't very good. What about if they were really faded out so they appeared more like watermarks? Then the text could go over the top |
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| 13:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a fair plan, Jaffa. |
| 13:27.19 | Jaffa | fires up the GIMP. How much do we care about good rendering in IE (semi-transparent PNGs and all that) |
| 13:27.48 | Khertan_42 | ie don't render png correctly ... so forgot ie |
| 13:28.02 | Jaffa | Can fudge it, e.g. Dean Thingy's IE7.js |
| 13:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | Screw IE. |
| 13:28.35 | Jaffa | Goodo |
| 13:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | I say we have a client direction page that redirects them somewhere horrible. :P |
| 13:28.50 | GeneralAntilles | s/gibberish/english/ |
| 13:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, while you're in Gimp, pad them all out so they're all 64x64 |
| 13:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | Some are 64x54 and it's doing weird things. |
| 13:29.52 | Jaffa | yup |
| 13:32.22 | Khertan_42 | http://browsershots.org/http://khertan.net/ < ie is the only thing that can't render a web site like other navigator ! |
| 13:35.56 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody remind me of the codename after Elephanta? |
| 13:36.57 | Jaffa | Fremantle was mentioned on ITT the other day, but I think that was the first I'd heard of it |
| 13:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, wonder what the source is there. |
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| 13:40.23 | X-Fade_ | I have seen this Fremantle name before, but I don't know if that is the right one. |
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| 13:45.57 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade_, we have an agenda forming for next month's #maemo-meeting, yet? |
| 13:46.23 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: No, I'm open to suggestions though ;) |
| 13:46.37 | X-Fade_ | I think we need to keep it within one topic. |
| 13:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Poor Quim. . . . |
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| 13:47.36 | Khertan_42 | what means the different maemo code name ? |
| 13:47.42 | X-Fade_ | Well, if we set the topic beforehand, then he can get some people to join that maybe know a bit more about the subject. |
| 13:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | We have a date yet? |
| 13:48.37 | X-Fade_ | But I guess we can get some inspiration for topics and date after we have had LinuxTag ;) |
| 13:48.39 | Khertan_42 | gregal (it s a boat), bora (an island), chinook (an helicopter |
| 13:48.55 | hrw | ~curse omweather author |
| 13:48.56 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, omweather author ! |
| 13:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | Wind, Khertan_4. |
| 13:49.19 | X-Fade_ | Khertan_42: No, think names for all kinds of wind types. |
| 13:49.29 | Khertan_42 | lol. ... |
| 13:49.40 | Khertan_42 | ah there is mistral too ! |
| 13:49.57 | X-Fade_ | Sure, sirocco too. |
| 13:50.07 | Khertan_42 | i should know ... as i ve get mistral for many year in my face |
| 13:50.08 | Khertan_42 | :) |
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| 13:50.53 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Damn, background images might need CSS fiddlng. Is the stylesheet in the wiki, do you know (or perhaps X-Fade does)? |
| 13:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Bug dneary? |
| 13:51.05 | Khertan_42 | as i come from the Rhone Valley |
| 13:51.08 | X-Fade_ | thinks LinuxTag is going to be fun |
| 13:51.25 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: I can help out there.. |
| 13:53.15 | Jaffa | X-Fade_: I want a number of CSS styles which have https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_Info_icon-fade.png, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_contact_icon-fade.png, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_question_icon-fade.png and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_xterm_icon-fade.png as non-repeating, top-left background images. Putting them as inline styles seems to balk at the url() bit :-( |
| 13:54.25 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Can you put that in a mail, so I don't forget? I am a bit swamped atm ;) |
| 13:54.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade_: will do, ta. |
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| 13:56.10 | m-c | does the NIT use a network time client? |
| 13:57.28 | shapr | There is ntpd |
| 13:57.33 | shapr | or is it nntpd? |
| 13:57.54 | summatusmentis | ntpd, iirc |
| 13:58.09 | m-c | okay thanks |
| 13:58.21 | m-c | just checking, because my device was so off |
| 13:58.22 | Jaffa | Oh lord, Darius has jumped into the ITTSS thread with some more random, garbled, stream of conciousness. |
| 13:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | He's so awesome. |
| 13:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Darius is my hero. <3 |
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| 14:03.27 | RST38h | GA: So, is he better than meanwhile or whimpier? |
| 14:04.06 | mgedmin | I can't read his HTML-formatted emails, so I've no idea what he's talking about |
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| 14:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | Darius >>>>> meanwhile/Umptious |
| 14:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | Though meanwhile also has his merits. |
| 14:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | Darius has simply been at it much longer and accrued much more experience. :D |
| 14:05.56 | Khertan_42 | how can i get the public ssh key of my nit |
| 14:06.01 | Khertan_42 | i don't remember the commands |
| 14:06.23 | GeneralAntilles | likes lussh for setting up keys. |
| 14:06.56 | summatusmentis | Khertan_42: should be in .ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 14:07.36 | Khertan_42 | it should ... but when i look id_rsa.pub it s clearly indicated in the head 'PRIVATE RSA' |
| 14:07.52 | RST38h | you generated keys incorrectly, I guess |
| 14:08.07 | Khertan_42 | it s seems ... i ll generate it again... |
| 14:08.44 | Khertan_42 | hum ... it s ok now |
| 14:08.48 | Khertan_42 | sorry ... |
| 14:09.15 | Khertan_42 | hum .... so ... bye |
| 14:09.17 | Khertan_42 | ... |
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| 14:09.22 | Khertan_42 | week end start now :) |
| 14:09.30 | Khertan_42 | leaving the office :) |
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| 14:26.57 | zpol | hi |
| 14:27.08 | AStorm | hello |
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| 14:47.01 | RST38h | AStorm |
| 14:47.04 | RST38h | qwerty |
| 14:47.23 | qwerty12 | hi |
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| 14:49.03 | AStorm | hi |
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| 14:56.55 | gimmal | rocking, freenode *does* have a maemo channel. rockin hard! whassup party peoples? ;^)> |
| 14:58.06 | gimmal | jus got a N810 here, loving it, despite any "challenges" happening w.r.t it (i.e. big downloads - maemo SDK and the image that I have to get to flash the thing to update it out of the box ....) and then this issue with my fscking 3945ABG wlan card, but that's MSI's fault hehe |
| 14:58.33 | gimmal | big downloads over a multi-used satellite line -- patience is the virtue in question hehe |
| 15:00.30 | gimmal | anyone seen something like openoffice for the N810? or some other sort of fancy document editor? abiword? |
| 15:00.44 | qwerty12 | ~itt |
| 15:00.44 | infobot | rumour has it, itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) |
| 15:01.29 | m-c | gimmal: freenode seems to have a channel for every cool project, huh? was surprised to see this here too |
| 15:01.39 | Jaffa | gimmal: both have been done. Abiword natively, OOo via a Debian port |
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| 15:02.23 | gimmal | Jaffa: cool! |
| 15:02.53 | gimmal | anyone know of any convenient keywords someone could use to find either of those online? "maemo nokia n810 openoffice.org" didn't seem to result in much, iirc ;^)> |
| 15:03.21 | qwerty12 | qole chroot openoffice |
| 15:03.38 | gimmal | qole, ok |
| 15:03.38 | m-c | search the itt forums |
| 15:03.46 | gimmal | thanks |
| 15:04.31 | qwerty12 | But I must warn, it isn't an easy setup by any standards. |
| 15:04.48 | m-c | http://n800-as-a-professional-tool.blogspot.com/ |
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| 15:05.19 | m-c | just like the website name |
| 15:06.05 | gimmal | hmm, captcha required just to do a search ... fun fun ;^p> |
| 15:06.17 | qwerty12 | Register |
| 15:06.21 | RST38h | still does not understand who needs openoffice on a tablet |
| 15:06.34 | RST38h | It must bepainfully slow |
| 15:06.36 | qwerty12 | sure don't |
| 15:06.46 | AStorm | RST38h: abiword would be fine |
| 15:06.52 | RST38h | AStorm: exactly |
| 15:06.52 | AStorm | we have gnumeric already |
| 15:07.07 | RST38h | AbiWord+Gnumeric will pretty much implement an office on a tablet |
| 15:07.20 | gimmal | qwerty12: good advice; thank you |
| 15:07.21 | qwerty12 | :/ |
| 15:07.46 | gimmal | RST38h: it was the first thing came to mind for getting a good document editor |
| 15:08.10 | AStorm | is abiword finally usable? |
| 15:08.18 | RST38h | gimmal: tablets are pretty limited speed-wise and have limited controls |
| 15:08.38 | RST38h | gimmal: so, "getting a good document editor" should be taken with a grain of salt |
| 15:08.40 | gimmal | abiword sounds better, will take a look about it |
| 15:08.48 | gimmal | understood hehe |
| 15:08.58 | qwerty12 | But N810 does have a keyboard so it does make it more feasible :) |
| 15:09.00 | RST38h | AStorm: it's author god subsidized under Google Summer of Code program to develop it |
| 15:09.11 | RST38h | s/god/got |
| 15:09.17 | mourad | hello everybody, i tested an example "Listening for connection events" from Maemo Connectivity Guide using Libconic but always i receive same request "disconnect". and i would like know how can i test internet connection from scratchbox? does somone have an idea? |
| 15:09.49 | RST38h | qwerty: It is kinda limited even with a BT keyboard =( |
| 15:09.50 | qwerty12 | mourad, from what I can tell, scratchbox doesn't do internet. Best I get to run is wget. |
| 15:10.04 | qwerty12 | RST38h, How come? :) (never tried btw) |
| 15:10.12 | RST38h | qwerty: lags a lot |
| 15:10.16 | qwerty12 | Ah, ok |
| 15:10.28 | RST38h | And I found that it is not BT connection quality but the total CPU load that causes problems |
| 15:10.55 | RST38h | Still, it will get you by if you REALLY need to edit a document |
| 15:10.59 | qwerty12 | CPU load stuff really sucks on tablets, even my application manager locks up rest of the system :/ |
| 15:11.19 | RST38h | qwerty: that is not much of a problem |
| 15:11.37 | RST38h | qwerty: but then thing lags when redrawing reasonably large GTK widget hierarchies |
| 15:12.00 | RST38h | And that is real pain because the whole UI starts lagging |
| 15:12.02 | AStorm | RST38h: actually, it's scheduler again:P |
| 15:12.02 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 15:12.20 | gimmal | m-c: great link; imo notecase might be more to what I'd be looking for |
| 15:12.22 | AStorm | on my desktop, <2.6.23 lagged a lot on load too |
| 15:12.28 | AStorm | on core2 |
| 15:12.34 | AStorm | newer ones don't |
| 15:12.52 | RST38h | AStorm: they should have just used netBSD core =) |
| 15:12.58 | AStorm | nope |
| 15:13.05 | AStorm | it's even worse :P |
| 15:13.22 | AStorm | they should've used a newer version of Linux |
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| 15:14.18 | RST38h | BSD has historically been very good at handling interactive tasks |
| 15:14.42 | anidel | yup |
| 15:14.59 | mourad | qwerty12: ok but how can i proceed using "system D-BUS" with C or Python |
| 15:15.05 | AStorm | RST38h: you must be kidding |
| 15:15.20 | anidel | he's not |
| 15:15.29 | AStorm | I use these various BSD |
| 15:15.30 | RST38h | AStorm: No. I have used it for years. It NEVER lags |
| 15:15.41 | AStorm | they suck at interactivity |
| 15:15.45 | RST38h | But with Linux you could immediately tell that the system is busy |
| 15:15.48 | AStorm | they don't lag |
| 15:16.03 | AStorm | because they have input as a kernel thread |
| 15:16.12 | AStorm | they suck in all other ways |
| 15:16.17 | RST38h | You mean, they do not have the latest bunch of eyecandies installed by default? =) |
| 15:16.26 | AStorm | no |
| 15:16.36 | RST38h | BSDs did not lag long before kernel threads even appeared |
| 15:16.39 | AStorm | I mean they're horribly choppy under load |
| 15:16.48 | RST38h | definitely not my experience |
| 15:16.52 | anidel | AStorm, nope. Linux is.. |
| 15:16.52 | AStorm | as in, sound skips |
| 15:16.56 | anidel | I do agree with RST38h |
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| 15:17.19 | AStorm | anidel: you can't scam me, I use all the BSDs for server work |
| 15:17.31 | AStorm | and these have X |
| 15:17.36 | AStorm | one is a terminal server |
| 15:17.45 | anidel | I used BSD a lot along with Linux and I found BSD ALWAYS more responsive on have loads |
| 15:17.48 | AStorm | they suck at it, really |
| 15:18.05 | anidel | I've tried Free,Net and Open BSD they all behaved better than Linux |
| 15:18.12 | AStorm | anidel: try 2.6.23 or newer |
| 15:18.20 | anidel | in fact I would have installed BSD on my laptop wasn't it for Maemo |
| 15:18.22 | AStorm | old O(1) sched sucks |
| 15:18.36 | AStorm | or Staircase for 2.6.21 |
| 15:18.52 | AStorm | or RSDL (both Con Kolivas work) |
| 15:18.53 | anidel | didn't compare latest Linux kernel with latest BSD |
| 15:19.02 | RST38h | Well, never Linux version ARE better |
| 15:19.16 | RST38h | Than old Linux versions that is |
| 15:19.21 | timeless | anyone here use osso xterm? |
| 15:19.21 | AStorm | there's a backport of CFS to 2.6.21, from 2.6.24-rcx |
| 15:19.27 | AStorm | than bSD too |
| 15:19.30 | RST38h | Haven't compared them to latest BSDs though |
| 15:19.36 | AStorm | ever tried timidity on bsed? |
| 15:19.37 | anidel | CFS ? crypto file system of what ? |
| 15:19.47 | timeless | i need to enter righht square bracket |
| 15:19.53 | AStorm | anidel: Completely (sic) Fair Scheduler |
| 15:20.01 | RST38h | AStorm: Audio problems may just occur because of an audio driver |
| 15:20.04 | AStorm | Ponly Dragonfly is good enough |
| 15:20.11 | AStorm | RST38h: they don't |
| 15:20.11 | anidel | AStorm, oh .) |
| 15:20.12 | anidel | :) |
| 15:20.14 | timeless | and have limited bandwidth |
| 15:20.25 | AStorm | emu10k is good on BSD |
| 15:20.26 | anidel | timeless, n800 or n810 ? |
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| 15:20.35 | timeless | n810 |
| 15:20.35 | qwerty12 | timeless, I thought we all use osso-xterm :P |
| 15:20.48 | anidel | timeless, so the CHR key is your friend :) |
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| 15:21.00 | timeless | w/ the 800 the soft keyboads offer it |
| 15:21.04 | timeless | anidel no |
| 15:21.11 | anidel | timeless, what ? I do have them |
| 15:21.18 | timeless | it doesn't open the dialog inhis ver |
| 15:21.28 | AStorm | timeless: or write your own keymap |
| 15:21.30 | AStorm | as I did |
| 15:21.42 | anidel | timeless, in which ver ? |
| 15:21.47 | timeless | astorm.... |
| 15:21.59 | AStorm | have a Polish one for German layout |
| 15:22.02 | timeless | anidel slightly before 42 |
| 15:22.13 | AStorm | it's excellent |
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| 15:22.45 | timeless | i could also switch to my e61i where the chr key works.... |
| 15:22.58 | anidel | timeless, I don't know what you're talking about, but if that's a different version I have here, you could try enabling to on-screen keyboard |
| 15:22.59 | trickie_ | ha ha... darius... you tripper |
| 15:23.09 | AStorm | that's because hildom-im is stupid |
| 15:23.38 | timeless | osk causes reflows which are very dangerous for screened irc sessions |
| 15:23.40 | AStorm | it only binds to gtk apps |
| 15:23.53 | anidel | gotta leave for a minute |
| 15:24.16 | AStorm | timeless: did I mention rewriting the keymap? it's easy! |
| 15:24.27 | AStorm | make chnr another modifier :) |
| 15:24.31 | AStorm | *chr |
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| 15:30.20 | AStorm | wonder why Nokia didn't do that from the start |
| 15:30.31 | timeless | just so i can do one task once that i coujld do w another devikce? |
| 15:30.45 | AStorm | the keys would have 4 marks on them |
| 15:30.55 | timeless | have you seen the russian keylayout? |
| 15:30.59 | AStorm | timeless: forever :) |
| 15:31.09 | AStorm | timeless: not yet |
| 15:31.26 | timeless | hrm, please say it exists |
| 15:32.15 | AStorm | it should, there is a keymap |
| 15:33.24 | hrw | timeless: there is keymap for russian layout |
| 15:33.56 | timeless | https://www.nokiausa.com/A4626059 |
| 15:34.07 | gimmal | if only nokia had the lovey-dovey fanbase of apple ... thffffpt ;^)> |
| 15:34.10 | timeless | HW keyboard variants: English, German, French, Italian, Spanish-Portuguese, Scandinavian and Russian |
| 15:34.39 | timeless | the russian variant has one extra thing shown |
| 15:34.42 | gimmal | i mean, there might be more people buying N8**s and more momentum about stuff like getting abiword working, etc |
| 15:35.17 | timeless | does abiword work on the iphone? |
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| 15:36.09 | gimmal | timeless: dunno, i doubt it. was reading, today, the blog of some guy utterly praising the iphone and deriding the n810, all I know of it hehe |
| 15:36.20 | roope | Yes, the Russian one allows switching between Russian and Eng. layouts. |
| 15:36.40 | roope | Both as a toggle and then temporarily for one or two characters. |
| 15:36.58 | AStorm | gimmal: another guy who got the buyer's syndrome? |
| 15:37.12 | gimmal | AStorm: well, the n810 he got was given to him, he mentioned -- granted, as "payment" for somesuch whatever, but he didn't pay money for it directly. and so he derides it |
| 15:37.34 | timeless | roope, which key nis used for those? |
| 15:37.44 | gimmal | thffffffffffffffpt, about all I can say now; left a comment mentioning that my own experiences with the n810 were not that bad, now just thffffffffffpt ;^)> |
| 15:38.26 | gimmal | ~hildon |
| 15:38.33 | gimmal | ~maemo |
| 15:38.34 | infobot | from memory, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 15:38.55 | gimmal | hildon could be http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/TwoPointZero perhaps? |
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| 15:39.03 | AStorm | gimmal: hildon is Nokia GTK mobile extension |
| 15:39.13 | roope | timeless: The Chr key is used there quite much. |
| 15:39.54 | RST38h | So, did he find the CHR key? |
| 15:39.56 | roope | Chr + alphabet key in Russian inputs the English character, Chr + alphabet in English inputs the Russian one. (it's a special case kinda). |
| 15:40.03 | gimmal | AStorm: ok; maybe someone has the auth to put that URL into the bot though, I thought - was wondering what hildon was, given that Xournal needed it (found out that I have to flash/update my N810 now, woohoo hehe) |
| 15:40.07 | roope | Chr + Ctrl toggles between English and Russian. |
| 15:40.30 | roope | In normal devices Chr+E runs through é, è, ë etc. |
| 15:40.50 | gimmal | ahah, that's what the Chr button is for; kewl |
| 15:40.51 | AStorm | or Ä in my keymap |
| 15:41.04 | AStorm | ε is fn+chr :> |
| 15:41.04 | roope | and of course just Chr gives the onscreen special character view. |
| 15:41.31 | AStorm | I disabled that |
| 15:41.41 | AStorm | so now I can use it with accessx stickykeys |
| 15:41.41 | gimmal | <bluesky spam>if I was suddently given a month of from work, I'd port Eclipse IDE to OS2008</etc> man I love dreaming hehe |
| 15:42.05 | RST38h | Urgh |
| 15:42.18 | RST38h | Eclipse<burp>IDE |
| 15:42.45 | AStorm | id10t |
| 15:42.57 | AStorm | there's no java yet |
| 15:43.00 | roope | This is probably a rare case: if anybody wants to blame the 810 device HW keyboard not having a tab key, now it's really 100% fair to blame me. :D |
| 15:43.04 | gimmal | roope: ahah, I see; it's only useful when a text input widget is up, so it only works then, I guess |
| 15:43.05 | AStorm | we'd need gcj and ecj |
| 15:43.24 | AStorm | roope: it's easy to add |
| 15:43.25 | gimmal | AStorm: no java? how does flash work then? |
| 15:43.26 | roope | gimmal: Yeah. Keybaord is for text input. |
| 15:43.33 | AStorm | I've it on chr+space |
| 15:43.35 | timeless | err |
| 15:43.44 | AStorm | gimmal: flash != java |
| 15:43.53 | timeless | tab is useful in dialogs and web pages |
| 15:44.03 | AStorm | timeless: or irc :> |
| 15:44.14 | gimmal | AStorm: indeed, but afaik, flash req'd java support to work |
| 15:44.18 | Jaffa | AStorm: there is Flash, see jalimo. And you don't need gcj to run Eclipse *and* there's the eRCP to build on |
| 15:44.25 | AStorm | no, who told you that? |
| 15:44.28 | Jaffa | gimmal: no, Flash doesn't need a Java runtime. |
| 15:45.12 | gimmal | AStorm: anecodtal evidence, hehe -- it was just an impression./ I thought that the Flash browser plugin needed a java browser plugin |
| 15:45.15 | Jaffa | tab's also very useful in a shell - and X Terminal gets shipped by default |
| 15:46.10 | AStorm | Jaffa: :) |
| 15:46.10 | timeless | *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to OFF |
| 15:46.10 | timeless | *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to ON |
| 15:46.11 | AStorm | yes, they should mod the keymap |
| 15:46.11 | gimmal | thought I saw someone mentioning Eclipse's SWT worked on the N810, fwiw |
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| 15:46.11 | timeless | that's what tab does here |
| 15:46.11 | AStorm | e.g. fn+space = tab |
| 15:46.11 | hrw | roope: argh you then but not for lack of tab but for two lshift keys |
| 15:46.13 | gimmal | someone in web-land, sure |
| 15:46.13 | AStorm | fn+shift+space = tab |
| 15:46.14 | timeless | i'd hardly call it useful |
| 15:46.22 | Jaffa | gimmal: SWT can indeed run on the N810. Google: jalimo |
| 15:46.29 | AStorm | fn+shift+space = pipe obvioulsy :P |
| 15:46.49 | roope | hrw: I won't take the blame for that. :) But I didn't implement shifts. |
| 15:46.51 | roope | I just wanted two. |
| 15:46.52 | gimmal | jalimo, yes, I recall having read of that; so, it's not java, but it's jalimo, is that a safe conclusion? |
| 15:46.57 | timeless | btw, anyhwone here in berlin? |
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| 15:47.10 | Jaffa | gimmal: No, Jalimo is a package which bundles Java |
| 15:47.10 | hrw | roope: but why both are LShift? why not LShift + RShift |
| 15:47.20 | roope | rshift would be nice. I guess. ... If ... Well. Actually I don't care about lshift and rshift. |
| 15:47.31 | roope | But yeah, they could be. |
| 15:47.34 | timeless | heh |
| 15:47.35 | roope | I hadn't even noticed that. |
| 15:47.36 | AStorm | hrw: an oversight |
| 15:47.40 | Jaffa | hrw: so both shifts generate the same scancode?! |
| 15:47.44 | roope | So you might say that ... It's the first time I've even heard that. |
| 15:47.46 | hrw | Jaffa: yes ;( |
| 15:48.13 | hrw | roope: I would be able to use RShift as LAlt for example... |
| 15:48.24 | timeless | roope, my main gripe is the \/()* rotation between hw layouts |
| 15:48.34 | timeless | absolutely stupid |
| 15:48.36 | roope | timeless: What do you mean? |
| 15:48.52 | timeless | in some hw layouts it's that |
| 15:48.54 | AStorm | roope: see German vs English |
| 15:49.06 | AStorm | the fn part is somewhat different |
| 15:49.16 | gimmal | burp obex is cool burp ;^P> |
| 15:49.17 | roope | Yes. |
| 15:49.34 | AStorm | in a pointless way too |
| 15:49.42 | timeless | in others it's *\/() |
| 15:49.52 | roope | Have you looked at a german and english full keyboard side by side? |
| 15:49.58 | AStorm | or %\/() |
| 15:50.15 | AStorm | roope: I did, they're almost the same |
| 15:50.19 | gimmal | woop notecase successfully installed |
| 15:50.34 | roope | astorm: Well, that's not really true. |
| 15:50.37 | RST38h | ROOPE: What I would really like to crucify you for (if keyboard is your thing) is lack of the digit keys and an unusable directional pad |
| 15:50.43 | AStorm | yes |
| 15:50.45 | roope | English keyboard puts for instance ? / into quite different places. |
| 15:50.51 | AStorm | they have special keys moved |
| 15:50.58 | roope | rst38h: Sorry, not responsible for the mechanics. |
| 15:51.05 | roope | (I do agree that they aren't good.) |
| 15:51.06 | AStorm | and punctuation |
| 15:51.24 | RST38h | roope: Nokia E70 had them just right, why changing them? |
| 15:51.32 | AStorm | we could use some dots on f and j |
| 15:51.49 | AStorm | and maybe emboss on shift |
| 15:51.52 | roope | rst38h: It's... an interesting question. |
| 15:51.56 | AStorm | and ctrl |
| 15:52.02 | roope | Dots would make it hard to slide in. |
| 15:52.20 | AStorm | I keep missing them in the dark, pressing fn or right shift instead |
| 15:52.31 | hrw | bye guys - have a nice weekend |
| 15:52.38 | Jaffa | cya hrw |
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| 15:53.01 | armguy | hi there |
| 15:53.13 | AStorm | hello |
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| 15:53.27 | roope | Then again, no Nokia device has ... (I guess) the exact same kind of keypad area. It's a company thingy. |
| 15:53.42 | roope | Just look at any phone. There's always some new material or layout or whatever. |
| 15:54.02 | timeless | heh, 'differentiation' |
| 15:54.11 | AStorm | N810 has the exact same mechanics as N95 |
| 15:54.23 | AStorm | which are worse than E70 |
| 15:54.37 | roope | astorm: Well..... |
| 15:54.39 | AStorm | not much though |
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| 15:56.32 | armguy | I'm having some troubles to setting up a chinook rootstrap on sbox2, all the steps of instalations os going fine, but when I try af-sb-init start, I get a "/etc/osso-af-init/dbus-systembus.sh: line 37: /usr/bin/scratchbox-launcher.sh: No such file or directory" error |
| 15:56.46 | AStorm | I still think the mechanics are excellent for such a tiny keyboard |
| 15:57.06 | roope | E70 has a nice keyboard, yes. |
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| 15:57.26 | roope | But we can still do better. |
| 15:58.08 | AStorm | yep |
| 15:58.25 | AStorm | the dir key should be broken into sections |
| 15:58.32 | simboss | guys, is there a way to get ldd on the n800? |
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| 15:58.53 | AStorm | simboss: by installing binutils |
| 15:59.06 | simboss | thx |
| 15:59.08 | simboss | :-) |
| 15:59.18 | mgedmin | uses this hack |
| 15:59.23 | mgedmin | LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 /lib/ld-linux.so.3 "$1" |
| 15:59.38 | mgedmin | put it in an executable shell script called 'ldd' and stick it into your $PATH |
| 15:59.59 | simboss | I seems to already have |
| 16:00.04 | simboss | binutils installed |
| 16:00.12 | simboss | but no ldd in the path |
| 16:00.20 | lardman|home | reads reply from Darius Jack with surprise, I always thought he was a bot |
| 16:00.24 | AStorm | blah, nokia charger is driving me nuts with its hifreq squeal |
| 16:00.35 | AStorm | and some "pingy" sound |
| 16:01.35 | AStorm | I think it's 15 kHz |
| 16:02.46 | gimmal | fwiw, notecase is a pretty cool lil app |
| 16:03.16 | AStorm | screenshot? |
| 16:03.43 | gimmal | hmm, shortly... |
| 16:04.09 | gimmal | got a few of 'em at http://notecase.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 16:05.10 | gimmal | is going to get a "web 2.0" tatoo. ride the lightening y'all ... thfpt |
| 16:06.08 | anidel | it really is |
| 16:06.09 | Jaffa | gimmal: oh, nice |
| 16:07.42 | simboss | guys, sorry to bother, I used the ld-linux hack |
| 16:07.49 | simboss | as a replacement for ldd |
| 16:07.53 | simboss | but i get this |
| 16:07.55 | simboss | ../../lib/libkdu_v52R.so: error while loading shared libraries: ../../lib/libkdu |
| 16:07.56 | simboss | _v52R.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted |
| 16:08.02 | simboss | ani hints? ;-( |
| 16:12.12 | gimmal | simboss: I'm not familiar with ld, but if I was I might ask what your ld-linux hack was for, like what it did that plain ld didn't hehe |
| 16:12.17 | simboss | mmmmhh I guess the problem is that the liv I created did not have x permission |
| 16:12.47 | gimmal | ahaha, sounds good to know hehe |
| 16:12.57 | simboss | mgedmin suggested to use /lib/ld-linux.so.3 instead of ldd |
| 16:13.11 | simboss | wdf, chmod +x is not working :-( |
| 16:13.15 | gimmal | hey, someone should pay Matt Groening to have Homer use an N810 |
| 16:13.37 | gimmal | "doh! portable youtube doh!" |
| 16:13.54 | gimmal | matt groening <-> simpsons creator ; pardon the running dribble here |
| 16:14.25 | gimmal | simboss: does the user you're running it as have ownership of the file? |
| 16:14.32 | AStorm | gimmal: while using Canola :) |
| 16:14.39 | simboss | good question |
| 16:14.43 | simboss | I am runnign as root |
| 16:14.54 | simboss | with r&d mode activated |
| 16:15.11 | simboss | checking... |
| 16:15.12 | simboss | nope the owner is user |
| 16:15.13 | AStorm | simboss: he's wrong, it won't work |
| 16:15.22 | AStorm | the support isn't built in |
| 16:15.28 | gimmal | AStorm: hmm .. not familiar with Canola, 'cept that there's an oil named like so hehe |
| 16:15.32 | AStorm | :) |
| 16:15.46 | simboss | AStorm: what do you mean? |
| 16:15.50 | AStorm | gimmal: an excellen media manager/player |
| 16:15.58 | AStorm | simboss: :P |
| 16:16.19 | gimmal | AStorm: ah, cool |
| 16:17.32 | mgedmin | simboss: 'ldd' is a shell script on my desktop linux |
| 16:17.38 | mgedmin | what I pasted here is a short version of that |
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| 16:17.51 | mgedmin | all the logic is done by the dynamic linker (/lib/ld-linux.so) anyway |
| 16:18.08 | simboss | mgedmin: thx for that, I did as you suggested :-) |
| 16:18.40 | simboss | I am past that now :-) |
| 16:19.08 | simboss | but actually I can't understand why the created .so does not have X fle permission |
| 16:19.41 | mgedmin | .so files normally aren't executable |
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| 16:21.56 | simboss | most of them inside the /ur/lib dir are exec and I found a suggestion about |
| 16:22.23 | simboss | when this flag is missing ld-linux woruld die |
| 16:23.18 | m-c | Any interested in packaging a voice conferencing software, Mumble ? :] >> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:23.40 | gimmal | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.40 | gimmal | ERC> so, with the maemo sdk installed, would I be able to 1) install jalimo under scratchbox, then 2) check and see if eclipse works under scratchbox, and if it doesn't, then find out why not and fix it? |
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| 16:23.48 | gimmal | sorry about the blank puts |
| 16:24.11 | gimmal | had to restart the erc connection - for some unspecified reason the owner of the proxy box restarted it again ;^P> |
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| 16:24.33 | lardman|home | m-c: I'm sure people would be happy with a tarball in the absence of a .deb |
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| 16:26.01 | Jaffa | gimmal: You don't even need to try under scratchbox. Scratchbox is a cross-compiler, but since Eclipse is all Java, you should be good to go |
| 16:26.03 | Jaffa | Ish |
| 16:26.15 | m-c | lardman|home: the application is already packaged by debian and ubuntu |
| 16:26.23 | m-c | (separately) |
| 16:27.14 | lardman|home | m-c: in which case just copy their patches and use those to do the packaging |
| 16:27.36 | lardman|home | m-c: I hate packaging things too, but the debian tools do make it reasonably straight forward |
| 16:27.40 | gimmal | ok, scratchbox isn't an emulator, got it hehe |
| 16:27.59 | gimmal | is there an n810 or OS2008 emulator in the maemo toolkit? |
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| 16:32.15 | AStorm | gimmal: yes, qemu-arm |
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| 16:32.51 | gimmal | AStorm: ahaha, thanks |
| 16:33.15 | gimmal | maybe Xen might be able to make an Arm VM? |
| 16:33.19 | gimmal | as another option I mean |
| 16:33.24 | AStorm | no |
| 16:33.43 | gimmal | Sun Microsystems is all getting up on the Xen thing .. something they're releasing newly is based on Xen, fwiw |
| 16:33.46 | AStorm | Xen is paravirtualization, not emulation |
| 16:34.20 | gimmal | AStorm: ok, qemu - and thank you seriously for that distinction, it explains it in frank succintness heh |
| 16:35.04 | gimmal | ok, so xen running linux running qemu-arm muahahah >:^) |
| 16:36.08 | gimmal | sounds kind of redundant, I guess, but it got xen worked in there somehow >;^) |
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| 16:38.15 | ||cw | now try linux running xen running vmware workstation running esx running linux running qemu |
| 16:38.22 | ||cw | hides |
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| 16:40.14 | lardman|home | m-c: mumble looks like it needs Qt, have you used the new Qt libs to compile it? |
| 16:40.45 | gimmal | ||CW duuuuuude, that has so many levels <toke cough cough> hey, pass it around -- muahehehee |
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| 16:41.07 | m-c | hmmm - no Qt libraries ? |
| 16:41.16 | m-c | that's so bizarre |
| 16:41.54 | m-c | ... being ... that ... nokia ... OWNS the Qt company |
| 16:41.57 | ||cw | as crazy as it sounds, esx does run under vmware workstation intentionally, as long as your cpu has vt or amdv support, so one can demo esx on a single laptop |
| 16:42.35 | gimmal | doesn't know esx. it sounds like esa, afaik. a european satellite company hehehehehe |
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| 16:43.09 | ||cw | esx is vmware's dedicated hypervisor product |
| 16:43.12 | Jaffa | m-c: a) Trolltech purchase is recent, b) there are Qt libraries, they're just not shipped by default (yet) |
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| 16:43.23 | Jaffa | m-c: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 16:43.43 | gimmal | ||cw: ahah, ok. rock on vmware |
| 16:44.16 | m-c | hope Maemo takes advantage of that Trolltech relationship within Nokia to the fullest. |
| 16:45.04 | simboss | wdf, why the heck chmod+x does not work on my n800 :-( |
| 16:45.06 | AStorm | yeah, by killing Qt and making C++ gtk wrappers much better |
| 16:45.10 | Jaffa | What? More fugly UIs, less space on the built-in flash due to all the extra libsm etc ? |
| 16:45.11 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:45.32 | Jaffa | There is so much more that maemo needs than being able to develop apps in Qt |
| 16:45.35 | AStorm | simboss: chmod +x |
| 16:45.45 | AStorm | but, it's busybox chmod |
| 16:45.52 | ||cw | simboss: on mmc the filesys is fat by default and thus doens't hold permissions |
| 16:45.55 | AStorm | try chmod 766 thatfile |
| 16:46.02 | AStorm | ah, that too |
| 16:46.15 | ||cw | just in case... |
| 16:46.19 | AStorm | you can allow exec there by modding /usr/sbin/mmc-mount |
| 16:46.27 | simboss | ||cw, you got me |
| 16:46.35 | simboss | I am an idiot not only a newbie :-) |
| 16:47.14 | simboss | si there any doc anywhere for this? |
| 16:47.40 | AStorm | hmm? |
| 16:47.44 | AStorm | why do you need them? |
| 16:47.56 | AStorm | just remove noexec from options there |
| 16:48.11 | AStorm | idk why Nokia chose to make the partition noexec |
| 16:48.13 | gimmal | fwiw, somewhere out there in "whenever land", someone could make a plugin for Eclipse (IDE, yah) such that would allow the user to readily create and distribute an OS2008-ready debian package, with Maemo install file |
| 16:48.58 | AStorm | gimmal: someone could |
| 16:49.08 | simboss | Astorm: how do I remove noexec options? |
| 16:49.08 | AStorm | but why? |
| 16:49.08 | gimmal | fwiw, I could start thinking on it myself, but I'm not sure all of what will be required for it -- like, how debian under os 2008 differs from debian etch, heh, and how the install stuff works, and the package system |
| 16:49.21 | AStorm | simboss: edit /usr/sbin/mmc-mount |
| 16:49.49 | AStorm | (there's vi on the tablet, you can install nano too) |
| 16:49.51 | Jaffa | AStorm: it's noexec cos VFAT can't distinguish the exec bit. So without noexec, *everything* becomes executable on the MMC |
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| 16:50.10 | AStorm | Jaffa: is that bad? I don't think so. |
| 16:50.16 | gimmal | would do it out of want to use Eclipse IDE for java programming projects. maybe it could be useful for C++ projects, too, given that there are already C++ plugins for eclipse |
| 16:50.18 | gimmal | afaik |
| 16:50.41 | gimmal | being able to manage the distribution as well as the programming and complation frome eclipse could be ideal, imo |
| 16:50.47 | simboss | Astorm: using vi |
| 16:51.07 | Jaffa | AStorm: you're not a typical user though - and this is a consumer device (or at least practice for one) |
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| 16:51.29 | AStorm | heh, user will run stuff from the menu anyway |
| 16:51.34 | AStorm | so no point |
| 16:52.15 | gimmal | cringes at the thought of xemacs on a tablet. should be far worse than OOo hehe. no "meta" key on that keyboard... |
| 16:52.28 | Jaffa | shrugs - not my decision; just attempting to explain it. Personally, I can't understand why - as a user - I can't switch 12/24 hour clock, so noexec is the least of my concerns ;-) |
| 16:52.33 | AStorm | gimmal: wrong, there's escape |
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| 16:52.52 | AStorm | Jaffa: you can :> |
| 16:53.12 | gimmal | AStorm: hm, would that be the arrow-pointing-up key? |
| 16:53.24 | AStorm | curled arrow, yes |
| 16:53.26 | Jaffa | AStorm: not in the built-in clock, I can't. |
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| 16:53.52 | AStorm | Jaffa: yes, nokia can't use locales properly |
| 16:54.04 | Jaffa | AStorm: yeah, I know. |
| 16:54.32 | Jaffa | Fudging LC_TIME is sub-optimal in other ways (and not exactly user friendly either) |
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| 17:00.55 | simboss | AStorm: edited mmc-mount now what? :-) |
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| 17:01.26 | m-c | Are there issues with connecting a VoIP call with Speex libraries?? |
| 17:01.44 | AStorm | reboot or remount the given partition |
| 17:01.59 | simboss | do I have to remount manullay |
| 17:02.00 | AStorm | e.g. by removing and replugging mmc card |
| 17:02.07 | simboss | as is that done automatically |
| 17:02.09 | simboss | ah k |
| 17:02.11 | simboss | :-) |
| 17:02.41 | simboss | btw thx for the hekp! |
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| 17:26.24 | lopz | hi |
| 17:27.14 | gimmal | hulloa |
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| 17:35.45 | ceej | hey all |
| 17:36.01 | gimmal | 'evenin |
| 17:36.13 | gimmal | is away - burger king, mmm modern health food |
| 17:38.09 | ceej | I'm looking at the nokia N810 is maemo a good os, could i run python 2,5 ? |
| 17:38.26 | Stskeeps | ceej: yes |
| 17:38.30 | Stskeeps | pymaemo.garage.maemo.org |
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| 17:39.14 | oilinki | one young girl is able to one young girl is able to hang several computers by asking one little question. |
| 17:39.16 | ceej | nice :) |
| 17:39.58 | ceej | Stskeeps: so can it run any app i could run on ubuntu ? |
| 17:40.10 | oilinki | the question is: how much is 1/2^2000 in numbers |
| 17:41.12 | Stskeeps | ceej: depends on the libraries the python app uses i guess :P |
| 17:41.30 | AStorm | oilinki: simple question :P |
| 17:41.50 | ceej | hmmm I'm looking at getting this over the oqo :) |
| 17:41.53 | AStorm | do the division in binary |
| 17:41.59 | oilinki | AStorm: yes :) I tried it out with bc.. |
| 17:42.02 | ceej | anyone had experience with both ? |
| 17:42.09 | AStorm | then convert to decimal |
| 17:42.53 | oilinki | AStorm: try it out with your computer :) |
| 17:50.49 | simboss | AStorm: still no joy; I edited mmc-mount, shut the thing down, removed the card, rebooted and then put the card back... :-( |
| 17:51.36 | AStorm | oilinki: it's very simple |
| 17:51.41 | AStorm | just don't use bc for it |
| 17:52.17 | AStorm | it's 0.0000000...00001 :P |
| 17:52.27 | AStorm | convert to decimal then |
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| 18:02.29 | oilinki | in reality it's 0, but that can really hand the computer pretty well |
| 18:03.27 | AStorm | it's not 0 |
| 18:03.42 | AStorm | it's a tiny frrrrrrrrrrraction |
| 18:05.00 | gimmal | it's the percent of a chance i have for getting a date with carmen diaz, I think |
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| 18:05.29 | gimmal | but you can always hope for that 0000000...00001 |
| 18:05.30 | gimmal | er |
| 18:05.31 | gimmal | flipping erc |
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| 18:05.49 | gimmal | you can always hope for that 0.0000000...00001% |
| 18:05.55 | gimmal | ::fiendish grin:: |
| 18:07.19 | AStorm | it doesn't end with 1 |
| 18:07.22 | AStorm | it does with 5 |
| 18:07.55 | AStorm | let me abuse some CPU to get it :p |
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| 18:11.29 | gimmal | ...so what you're saying is, I have a bigger chance of getting a date with carmen diaz than I thought? dude, awesome !!! heh |
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| 18:16.34 | oilinki | to baldly go where Cameron Diaz has gone before |
| 18:20.11 | RST38h | to boldly go where NO Cameron Diaz has gone before! |
| 18:20.35 | Knirch | to a LUG? |
| 18:21.53 | oilinki | I mean this one. http://www.thedailygoss.com/_assets/images/cameron_diaz_1_wenn1879108-190-150-TemplateImage1.jpg |
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| 18:31.30 | lcuk | gimmal, yes you have a great chance of getting a date with carmen diaz, cameron diaz however might be out of your league |
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| 18:33.20 | Cptnodegard | anyone want to sum up 19 pages of yabbing and tell me why the itt article about software section swas deleted? |
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| 18:38.51 | Blastur | wasn't Diablo suppose to release today? |
| 18:39.54 | RST38h | Cptn: Duplicating Maemo repositories with a second distribution method has been found unwise |
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| 18:39.58 | Nermal | ) |
| 18:40.17 | Nermal | plays with debian on his n800 :) |
| 18:40.44 | Cptnodegard | RST38h: lol i thought so |
| 18:49.07 | zap | Which CPU has N810 exactly? OMAP 2420, 2430 or 3430? |
| 18:49.49 | Mousey | arml6 |
| 18:50.00 | Mousey | doesn't know wtf he's talking about |
| 18:50.34 | roope | 2420. |
| 18:50.52 | Blastur | TI OMAP 2420 |
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| 18:52.34 | Nermal | attempts to get a rotating cube on his n800 :) |
| 18:53.11 | zap | hopes the full specs on 2420 are freely available |
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| 18:54.11 | Blastur | i think not |
| 18:54.21 | Blastur | it also uses a closed wifi chipset |
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| 18:54.27 | Blastur | conexant i think |
| 18:54.35 | zap | wifi has nothing to do with omap 2420 |
| 18:55.08 | Blastur | nah, im just saying nokia seems to be using a lot of closed hw |
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| 18:55.20 | Blastur | so my guess is you wont find any detailed datasheets for omap 2420 |
| 18:55.37 | Blastur | but there are opensource drivers for most of omap 2420 already |
| 18:57.37 | zap | well, I just want to look what's inside it |
| 18:57.50 | zap | it says it has some kind of 3D accelerator which does 2000000 polys/second |
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| 18:59.17 | kulve | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR |
| 18:59.57 | AStorm | zap: yep, powervr |
| 19:00.09 | AStorm | which is actually specialized arm, right? |
| 19:00.15 | zap | hmm, it's good it's a widespread arch |
| 19:00.17 | AStorm | and there's IVA too |
| 19:00.24 | zap | what is IVA? |
| 19:00.30 | AStorm | zap: bad it's closed |
| 19:00.46 | zap | that's sad indeed. No opensource anything for powerVR? |
| 19:00.49 | AStorm | zap: Integrated Video Accelerator |
| 19:00.55 | zap | mmm |
| 19:00.59 | AStorm | or was it Architecture |
| 19:01.01 | zap | both IVA & PowerVR inside? |
| 19:01.15 | AStorm | zap: it's the same chip I think |
| 19:01.27 | zap | so ITA is just another name for PowerVR? |
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| 19:02.48 | kulve | http://focus.ti.com/graphics/wtbu/blockdiagrams/l4_omap2420.gif |
| 19:03.50 | zap | no PowerVR here |
| 19:03.56 | zap | so it seems ITA is it |
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| 19:06.39 | AStorm | zap: it's IVA |
| 19:06.46 | RST38h | PowerVR is closed |
| 19:06.54 | zap | indeed |
| 19:06.56 | RST38h | Nobody knows what its instruction set is |
| 19:07.06 | zap | but there are closed-source OpenGL ES drivers for portable devices |
| 19:07.09 | RST38h | Apparently, it is very secret |
| 19:07.25 | RST38h | Not even NDA gives access to it |
| 19:07.44 | TimRiker | the right nda should. just getting that is the challenge. |
| 19:08.22 | AStorm | and it still doesn't give the community anything |
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| 19:08.47 | AStorm | there should be nothing secret in it |
| 19:08.58 | AStorm | excepttttt the chip itself |
| 19:08.58 | zap | well if at least somebody could put a leg into the door and open the specs a little |
| 19:09.15 | TimRiker | the block diagram shows _both_ a 2d/3d accelerator and the ITA. |
| 19:09.17 | zap | and implement a perhaps bad driver, the things could go easier |
| 19:09.20 | zap | like it was with SD |
| 19:09.58 | TimRiker | nods. this is one of the open questions I have with TI at present. |
| 19:13.04 | zap | hehe |
| 19:13.05 | zap | http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html |
| 19:13.32 | zap | the guys tagged their kernel module with GPL license just to use a couple SYMBOL_EXPORT_GPL's ... |
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| 19:25.29 | lcuk | regarding the pvr hardware, quim gil said that the nokia direction is quite clear by looking at other things and later this year we could see something |
| 19:25.49 | lcuk | (at the meeting last week) |
| 19:26.05 | shapr | That sounds cool. |
| 19:26.30 | shapr | I still very much wish for a NIT that does WiMAX unlicensed frequencies. Then I can set up my own base station at home. |
| 19:26.31 | zap | this sounds intricate |
| 19:26.32 | lcuk | well its not cool, its almost required: other nokia n series devices using the same hardware have pvr drivers |
| 19:26.54 | lcuk | shapr, the n810 wimax edition has already been announced |
| 19:26.55 | AStorm | I wish N810 had a tv out |
| 19:26.58 | AStorm | there is hw support |
| 19:27.10 | zap | I wish N810 would do what my PC does |
| 19:27.16 | shapr | lcuk: Yeah, but the US version of it only uses the Sprint-licensed 2.5GHz band. |
| 19:27.16 | zap | but it's just not a PC :) |
| 19:27.25 | AStorm | zap: it doesn't? :P |
| 19:27.27 | lcuk | not quite, the 2420 has chips, there is no complete chipset on the mainboard to support it |
| 19:27.46 | shapr | lcuk: A WiMAX base station that uses the *unlicensed* US frequencies is about $1500, which I could afford. |
| 19:27.48 | lcuk | 2420 has tv out onchip * |
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| 19:28.10 | shapr | The FCC would throw me in jail if I tried to serve up WiMAX on the Sprint bands. |
| 19:28.27 | lcuk | simple solution, just buy sprint |
| 19:28.34 | shapr | lcuk: Do you know if there will be a European WiMAX N810? |
| 19:28.35 | AStorm | lcuk: well, there's enough place to add an encoder |
| 19:28.42 | AStorm | to,say, svideo |
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| 19:31.20 | shapr | lcuk: I don't like to purchase service-provider-controlled devices :-/ |
| 19:31.30 | ds3 | serve it up on the 5.4GHz ISM band |
| 19:31.32 | lcuk | shapr, i dunno, but since it has info on the nokia european site i would go on a limb and say yer? |
| 19:31.37 | shapr | Ah |
| 19:31.39 | shapr | Good point! |
| 19:31.51 | ds3 | or put on 2.4GHz and run 100W...just broadcast your call sign on every packet and you should be fine |
| 19:32.19 | shapr | ds3: afaik, the N810 wimax only handles the 2.5GHz band? |
| 19:32.33 | ds3 | DOH |
| 19:33.23 | lcuk | shapr, wimax is intended to be the data oriented version of a cell phone, i dont expect to own my own phone base station and i wouldnt expect to do same for wimax - afterall, you can still use wifi locally |
| 19:34.23 | shapr | lcuk: That may be the intentions of others, but I was originally interested in wimax because then I could be a data/cell service provider for myself, and probably for a several mile radius area. |
| 19:34.33 | shapr | It seems perfect for metro area networks. |
| 19:35.06 | shapr | And, since the unlicensed freq wimax base stations are already for sale in the USA for about $1500, why not? |
| 19:35.59 | lcuk | why not indeed, but i personally dont have a need for multi mile communication - 10ma wifi whispering is fine for me :) |
| 19:36.40 | lcuk | would use wired connection if it was piggybacked onto the charger |
| 19:36.45 | shapr | I live in an old house with thick walls, a recent and powerful wifi AP does not go more than two rooms over :-( |
| 19:36.53 | acydlord | some of the 802.11 rigs i've set up have multi-mile range anyway |
| 19:37.01 | acydlord | given its pretty much line of sight though |
| 19:37.09 | lcuk | pringles cans! |
| 19:37.18 | acydlord | more high tech than that |
| 19:37.22 | acydlord | directv dishes |
| 19:37.55 | lcuk | or chinese woks |
| 19:38.14 | ds3 | the chinese strainers are probally better |
| 19:38.23 | shapr | I wonder if the WiMAX transceiver is a software defined radio? Maybe it really could handle unlicensed freqs? |
| 19:38.25 | acydlord | those arent always parobolic, the strainers work better |
| 19:38.49 | shapr | I had the great idea to build a cantenna for my N800 by just stuffing my N800 into the can! |
| 19:39.04 | gimmal | eyegh, .. mmmatrix bubble tank running drryyyyy... must sleep .... |
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| 19:42.39 | acydlord | lol |
| 19:42.56 | acydlord | i modded my 770 with pigtails to connect an external antenna, that was fun |
| 19:45.08 | shapr | Where is the antenna on the N800? |
| 19:45.28 | Blastur | btw, do you know if its possible to connect gps external antenna to n810? |
| 19:46.36 | acydlord | dont know, havent pulled mine apart yet |
| 19:46.57 | ds3 | why.. just get a BT GPS :) |
| 19:47.17 | acydlord | yeah, holux makes some amazing BT GPS units |
| 19:47.22 | acydlord | and you can get them on the cheap |
| 19:48.21 | lcuk | there is also apparantly work ongoing regarding the gps problems as well - though i have to say once it gets a lock it seems stable enough, its just that it takes for-frikkin-ever to get one |
| 19:50.11 | Knirch | oh? neat, I just wrote it off as poor hw and use it as a gadget rather than something useful, neat |
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| 19:50.16 | lcuk | one thing about the gps that riled me, has anyone tried to use gps outside their home country? |
| 19:50.42 | Knirch | depends on what you mean, my n810 was bought in the states and used in sweden |
| 19:51.02 | shapr | Fungerar bra? |
| 19:51.19 | lcuk | i went on holiday and after leaving it ALL afternoon sitting on the balcony to get a lock (which incidentally it didnt do until 5 minutes after i rebooted so there is some software problem...) |
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| 19:51.27 | Knirch | "<shapr> Works fine?" |
| 19:51.33 | Knirch | shapr: yeah, once it locks on |
| 19:51.37 | lcuk | well it got a lock and told me my location but the map was blank |
| 19:51.51 | lcuk | so i zoomed out, and england is all on its own! |
| 19:51.53 | shapr | Part of the problem is the GPS protocol itself, there is a minimum lock-on time. |
| 19:51.54 | Knirch | lcuk: ok, I've only used maemomapper |
| 19:52.15 | Knirch | shapr: well, 10 minutes is far beyond minimum :) |
| 19:52.20 | shapr | True that! |
| 19:52.28 | shapr | Knirch: Talar du svenska? |
| 19:52.46 | Knirch | "< shapr> Knirch: Do you speak swedish?" |
| 19:52.48 | Knirch | yes |
| 19:52.52 | Knirch | shapr: please keep it english |
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| 19:52.55 | shapr | sorry |
| 19:52.56 | lcuk | there is an amount of information which must be downloaded from visible sats if the position data is out of date, but that infromation repeats ~20minutes, that should be the total maximum time for any gps with a clear view of the sky |
| 19:53.03 | Knirch | international channel :) |
| 19:53.07 | shapr | Yeah, I guess so. |
| 19:53.16 | Knirch | shapr: I'm swedish, yes |
| 19:53.20 | shapr | Ah, I'm from Alabama. |
| 19:53.27 | shapr | The Swedish speaking part, of course ;-) |
| 19:53.34 | lcuk | is used to swedish chans - direct connect was a blessing |
| 19:54.01 | qwerty12_N800 | doesn't have to use x-term to edit rc2 : http://i30.tinypic.com/iokqhj.jpg w00t :) |
| 19:54.04 | Knirch | there's a swedish speaking part in alabama? surreal |
| 19:54.17 | shapr | Knirch: It's a joke! |
| 19:54.37 | Knirch | hahahah, ok :) |
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| 19:55.27 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, that looks decent :) |
| 19:55.37 | Knirch | I mean, why the hell not, enough swedes moved to amerika back in the day, some might have started a religious fanatic cult town which only allows swedish |
| 19:56.16 | lcuk | better than the jedis i suppose |
| 19:56.21 | Knirch | hahah |
| 19:56.26 | shapr | I live in Boston at the moment, as far as I can tell there aren't any Swedish speaking communities in the USA. |
| 19:56.39 | shapr | I did find a bunch of Scandinavian expats around here though, that was cool. |
| 19:56.39 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hope so :), haven't tried it yet. found it somehow in nokia repos... |
| 19:56.40 | lcuk | nahhh, you arent looking hard enough |
| 19:57.34 | Knirch | http://www.saccofnc.org/ close enough :) |
| 19:57.42 | Stskeeps | shapr: you used to date souwh, didn't you? |
| 19:57.49 | Stskeeps | remembers some nick |
| 19:57.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:58.07 | pupnik | minnesota is very swede and norwegian, also lots of east europeans |
| 19:58.23 | shapr | Stskeeps: yes |
| 19:58.25 | lcuk | evening pupnik |
| 19:58.37 | lcuk | have you decided if you are taking your bike yet |
| 19:58.37 | shapr | Stskeeps: Surprising to meet you here. |
| 19:58.53 | Knirch | shapr: I bet there's atleast one swedish speaking community in minnesota |
| 19:58.54 | pupnik | no bike, berlin guy said it is not a bike friendly town |
| 19:59.01 | shapr | Knirch: Wow, I didn't know that. |
| 19:59.06 | Stskeeps | shapr: i'm a computer scientist with a fetish for tablets, ofcourse i'm here |
| 19:59.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:59.24 | shapr | Ok then! |
| 19:59.28 | Knirch | doh, pupnik mentioned minnesota |
| 19:59.34 | Knirch | slow |
| 19:59.58 | Veggen | shapr: of course there is: Minnesota is in the middle of where people from the nordic countries went. |
| 20:00.16 | lcuk | pupnik, shame |
| 20:00.17 | Knirch | 9.9% of population in minnesota is swedish-american according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_American |
| 20:00.36 | qwerty12_N800 | would have prefered to have stayed in the nordic countries if i was from there |
| 20:00.48 | Knirch | meh |
| 20:00.51 | Veggen | qwerty: Wasn't as easy 150 years ago. |
| 20:01.00 | Veggen | Nordic countries was quite poor back then. |
| 20:01.05 | pupnik | 150 years ago america was the light of liberty |
| 20:01.07 | lcuk | yer dialup is a bitch |
| 20:01.10 | pupnik | except for blacks |
| 20:01.47 | Knirch | wow, 30% of north dakotas white populous is of norwegian heritage |
| 20:02.01 | Knirch | someone distract me fast, got stuck on wikipedia :( |
| 20:02.14 | lcuk | or native indians or anyone who didnt agree |
| 20:02.26 | RST38h | 150 years ago? |
| 20:02.37 | RST38h | Not if you are negro or chinaman or catholic |
| 20:02.40 | lcuk | no Knirch, you shall remain there for the next 3 days until your brain can no longer hold any more information |
| 20:03.23 | RST38h | Isn't North Dakota one of those states that have 3-digit license plates? |
| 20:04.13 | pupnik | i'm so offtopic hey lcuk, you're exposing some framebuffer stuff in your workshop right? |
| 20:04.25 | pupnik | so i can just say 'lcuk will talk about that' |
| 20:04.29 | eero | tsssssirrrp |
| 20:04.31 | Knirch | shapr: unless there was some truth to your joke, this could be interesting, first city to be mentioned concerning swedish characteristics is silverhill, Alabama.. |
| 20:04.34 | Knirch | GAH |
| 20:04.38 | Knirch | closes browser |
| 20:04.41 | lcuk | i hope so yer, even if its just a passing "and the openness of the platform allows me to ..." |
| 20:05.11 | pupnik | well i'm going to complain about fps and vsync |
| 20:05.37 | qwerty12_N800 | please add a2dp to that list although unrelated |
| 20:05.40 | pupnik | in the sense of 'here is an interesting opportunity for more research' |
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| 20:06.14 | pupnik | but i have a feeling the audience is going to be us, and a few random passerby |
| 20:06.34 | pupnik | though EVERYONE at linuxtag should be interested in the tablets :) |
| 20:07.07 | shapr | Knirch: That's bizarre! |
| 20:07.11 | Navi | :P |
| 20:07.18 | Navi | No one should be interested in the tabblets |
| 20:07.24 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 20:07.25 | Navi | everyone run! |
| 20:07.31 | pupnik | linux proponents should |
| 20:07.38 | Navi | Nu-uh |
| 20:07.38 | lcuk | i will have a better idea by the end of this weekend, its a long 3 days for me (bank holiday monday) before i have to nip into work on tuesday, but i should have my presentation sorted by then |
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| 20:08.04 | lcuk | navi, you are right, no1 should be interested in a specific tablet device. touchscreens should be the norm |
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| 20:08.12 | pupnik | i'm just looking forward to the dinner on thursday really |
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| 20:10.08 | lcuk | im looking forward to all of it, its going to be good - i have my note taking capabilities and compilation on device and i can run applications at arbitary resolutions and have super smooth scrolling and nice cpu mode switching and sketching and lego type building - ive got lots of things to put on a whizz bang show but would have prefered to have everything totally finished, but on a nighttime only schedule with family and life gett |
| 20:10.08 | lcuk | ing in the way its tough |
| 20:10.17 | lcuk | undoes the wall of text |
| 20:10.24 | Navi | :P |
| 20:10.48 | Navi | bleh, tintin won't compile |
| 20:11.04 | Navi | Oh, looks like it's just missing a semicolon >_> |
| 20:11.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Weres my snowy!?! |
| 20:11.24 | lcuk | apt-get install herge |
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| 20:12.30 | Navi | :P |
| 20:12.35 | blafasel | I'll join linuxtag thursday night or friday, not sure yet |
| 20:12.56 | Navi | I'll use my magical leenucks teleporter to get to linuxtag |
| 20:13.01 | Navi | but someone has to take me home |
| 20:13.16 | Blafasel | Ehh.. Ask a girl or something. |
| 20:13.19 | Blafasel | ;) |
| 20:13.31 | pupnik | how are you going to get an image onto a projector lcuk? |
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| 20:17.57 | mike_11 | can any one reference abour a OS2008/maemo emulator for a PC? |
| 20:18.04 | mike_11 | about* |
| 20:18.10 | pupnik | ? |
| 20:18.18 | rm_you| | we use xephyr? |
| 20:18.19 | rm_you| | or |
| 20:18.24 | rm_you| | i guess thats an xserver |
| 20:18.32 | qwerty12_N800 | hrw can get you a half/full broken one :p |
| 20:18.39 | rm_you| | look at the maemo development SDK wiki |
| 20:18.50 | rm_you| | it has some stuff about running maemo on PC |
| 20:18.52 | mike_11 | i want to run a virtual N810 device |
| 20:18.56 | rm_you| | yeah |
| 20:18.57 | pupnik | look at the topic of channel mike_11 |
| 20:19.00 | rm_you| | look at the wiki |
| 20:19.03 | pupnik | heh |
| 20:19.04 | mike_11 | k |
| 20:19.16 | qwerty12_N800 | What I did was to install the diablo debs into chinook armel target, EXACTLY like my n800 with diablo |
| 20:20.29 | mike_11 | well, im gonna look it up now, thanks |
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| 20:21.38 | qwerty12_N800 | getting the diablo debs, is,let's just say, a little on the hard as it's leaked beta with a password on the repo :/ |
| 20:22.18 | mike_11 | mm |
| 20:22.37 | Blastur | is diablo out yet? |
| 20:22.48 | MangoFusion | is diablo any good then? will it make world peace? |
| 20:22.56 | mike_11 | wait, |
| 20:23.10 | mike_11 | i need to clear out what that is, |
| 20:23.26 | RST38h | Mango: it will make flaming frogs fly out of your ears |
| 20:23.31 | mike_11 | looing at maemo.org |
| 20:23.31 | RST38h | [in other words, don't] |
| 20:23.42 | mike_11 | oh |
| 20:24.07 | qwerty12_N800 | is there fixed localepurge package for os2008? (stupid busybox) |
| 20:25.41 | mike_11 | where is diablo written about? |
| 20:25.43 | lcuk | pupnik, not sure how im gonna project it.. |
| 20:26.22 | Navi | lcuk, vnc? |
| 20:26.28 | lcuk | ill try taking a couple of movies later this weekend and see how they turn out |
| 20:26.42 | lcuk | am just installing x11vnc now (if i can find the repo) |
| 20:26.50 | pupnik | lcuk: i'll bring a hd cam i bought for it, with a cardboard box |
| 20:26.51 | Navi | I think it was in extras |
| 20:26.58 | lcuk | and if it will transmit the xv overlay im rocking |
| 20:26.59 | pupnik | do you have usb networking going? |
| 20:27.03 | lcuk | no |
| 20:27.10 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, google msaunby |
| 20:27.12 | lcuk | isnt wifi good enough |
| 20:27.12 | pupnik | ok |
| 20:27.24 | pupnik | you have ad-hoc working? |
| 20:27.52 | lcuk | yes |
| 20:28.17 | pupnik | so you could run synergy from laptop for demo, with a fixed camera on the tablet? |
| 20:29.00 | lcuk | i could, but since i havent ever run synergy before and would have to learn a new package to just find out if it works |
| 20:29.09 | pupnik | ok |
| 20:29.27 | RST38h | Weird. I was getting audio overruns just this morning, but it is working fine now |
| 20:29.28 | pupnik | i'll bring camera but no idea if it'll work with the projector |
| 20:29.37 | RST38h | CPU frequency got upped? |
| 20:30.09 | pupnik | hey RST38h do you wanna go instead of me? :/ |
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| 20:30.53 | lcuk | rst, possibly, test using different settings by writing as root to: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 20:31.06 | qwerty12_N800 | would go for Berlin, not for ltag :p |
| 20:31.11 | lcuk | use either "powersave" or "ondemand" or "performance" |
| 20:31.22 | lcuk | pwoersave = always slow |
| 20:31.28 | lcuk | ondemand = sometimes fast |
| 20:31.33 | lcuk | performance = always fast |
| 20:31.44 | lcuk | powersave |
| 20:31.51 | GAN800 | ooh . . there goes the update applet. |
| 20:31.55 | Blafasel | For certain values of fast. |
| 20:32.28 | GAN800 | Navi, want some bug karma? |
| 20:32.57 | lcuk | very big values actually |
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| 20:34.17 | lardman|away | lcuk: /s/20min/12.5min |
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| 20:34.58 | lcuk | 20min? |
| 20:35.23 | lcuk | or is that really bad lag from something i said this afternoon :P |
| 20:35.31 | lardman|home | Almanac repeat rate |
| 20:35.38 | lardman|home | sorry, bit behind the times here :) |
| 20:35.40 | GAN800 | Navi! |
| 20:35.52 | pupnik | btw lcuk i found a bunch of mp3s of presentations from various conferences, and generally the people are really bad speakers |
| 20:35.53 | lardman|home | lcuk: yeah :) |
| 20:35.54 | mike_11 | the development SDK talks about testing applications, running them emulated. |
| 20:36.01 | Navi | GAN800, WHAT? |
| 20:36.01 | pupnik | in the linux world |
| 20:36.02 | Navi | WHAT? |
| 20:36.52 | lcuk | well im hoping to do my best, ive seen enough TED presentations to know how its done, if i can even get 0.00001% of the information across then ive done well :) |
| 20:37.20 | lcuk | lardman i still know nothing about the almanac |
| 20:37.45 | lardman|home | lcuk: specifics about the format of our one, or in general? |
| 20:38.08 | mike_11 | can any one reference about Diablo and Chinook? |
| 20:38.20 | lardman|home | and talking of presentations, what's the general form for the talks going to be? |
| 20:38.24 | lcuk | right, i now have context, about our schedule and tickets and stuff |
| 20:38.53 | lardman|home | lcuk: you ok for the ticket? |
| 20:39.10 | lcuk | well i was thinking 5 minutes of chat followed by a 7 minute rant against microsoft and pvr whilst slowly unveiling a naked picture of RMS, but others might have different ideas |
| 20:39.35 | lcuk | no lardman, i havent heard back from them- could you resend please and i will do whats needed to print it out |
| 20:39.37 | lardman|home | :) with driftnet running as the background wallpaper :) |
| 20:39.51 | lardman|home | lcuk: ok, will do that now |
| 20:40.22 | Blafasel | luck^: Are you giving a session/talk/bof or whatever you prefer calling it on the linuxtag meeting? |
| 20:40.32 | Blafasel | Argh |
| 20:40.35 | lcuk | yes blah |
| 20:40.37 | lcuk | f |
| 20:40.52 | Blafasel | np, missed your nick so it's fair that you did the same ;) |
| 20:41.02 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:41.02 | Blafasel | On which day? Time? |
| 20:41.14 | lardman|home | lcuk: can you send me your email again? |
| 20:41.24 | lcuk | thursday first session, im in the community update since i chat in here a lot |
| 20:41.43 | Blafasel | Damn. =( |
| 20:41.43 | lardman|home | ah, got it, don't worry |
| 20:41.56 | lcuk | and talking about my choice of device and reasons for getting it and hopefully run through some of the things ive been working towards |
| 20:42.25 | lardman|home | lcuk: should be on it's way |
| 20:42.30 | Blafasel | Sad.. Have to work on thursday and won't make it until late evening or next morning. Are you creating a video/live stream? ;-p |
| 20:43.16 | lcuk | lardman|away, don't run yet, i dont speak german |
| 20:43.29 | lcuk | how did you decipher it |
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| 20:44.07 | Blafasel | Hm? I can translate german stuff if you need something. |
| 20:44.20 | lcuk | well google is doing a fine job right now |
| 20:44.34 | Blafasel | Good |
| 20:47.09 | lcuk | do i choose versenden or drucken, google cant pick up buttontext |
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| 20:49.13 | lcuk | well that was difficult, good job i dont need to present in german |
| 20:49.49 | Blafasel | Versenden = send |
| 20:49.52 | Blafasel | Drucken = print |
| 20:50.42 | lcuk | thanks blaf, the red wire blue wire trick worked and i have a pdf now ;) |
| 20:51.37 | Blafasel | What are you doing anyway? |
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| 20:51.58 | thopiekar | hi @ all |
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| 20:52.25 | thopiekar | who of you knows how to fix the problem with eclipse... |
| 20:53.17 | thopiekar | the message ".... "feature.xml". [Not a valid zip file]" |
| 20:53.42 | thopiekar | appears when i choose Help>Updates |
| 20:54.10 | Blafasel | thopiekar: Are you sure that you are in the right channel? ;-) |
| 20:54.12 | thopiekar | * I'm using the DeveloptingVmApplicance |
| 20:55.11 | thopiekar | yeah etrunko from #canola said that i have to ask you... |
| 20:55.12 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 20:55.59 | zap | Anybody knows why sending a file through ssh to N810 (WiFi) is so damn slow? Top shows me that tee and wc eats about 100% of the CPU, and the speed is, say, 1-2k/s |
| 20:56.37 | Knirch | that confused the heck out of me, why would tee and wc be involved? |
| 20:57.17 | zap | mmm, perhaps that's the way Midnight Commander sends files through ssh? |
| 20:57.44 | Knirch | oh, that might be, try just using scp and see if that also suffers |
| 20:57.47 | zap | must try some sftp client, maybe it works in a different way |
| 20:58.02 | thopiekar | ok i'm going to replace the .eclipse folder to .eclipse-backup |
| 20:58.14 | Blastur | lemme try scp some stuff on my n810 |
| 20:58.19 | thopiekar | maybe it will disappear... |
| 20:59.25 | zap | indeed, sending through lftp works at 500k/s |
| 20:59.30 | zap | so it's mc actually... sad |
| 21:00.14 | Knirch | mc got ssh support? or are you using some scripts for it |
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| 21:00.25 | zap | sure it has ssh support |
| 21:00.30 | zap | Shell link |
| 21:00.49 | astromme | Wow, sbrsh sure is slow |
| 21:01.04 | zap | what is sbrsh? |
| 21:01.36 | astromme | It's cpu transparency. It lets you run arm binaries on your tablet within scratchbox |
| 21:01.48 | astromme | the idea is that qemu can't emulate everything with respect to an arm cpu |
| 21:01.59 | astromme | and so some things need to be run directly on the tablet to compile |
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| 21:03.02 | astromme | So, for every request to run a binary... it contacts my n800 through ssh over a usb network, sets up an environment using nfs, runs the binary, and pipes the output back to my computer |
| 21:03.15 | astromme | like I said, slow =/ |
| 21:03.52 | Knirch | zap: wow, yah, that was quite painful :) (using /sh#:host (shell link)) |
| 21:04.01 | Blastur | i get about 750 kb/s over scp and wifi on my n810, zap |
| 21:04.14 | Knirch | (it was painful on my thinkpad t40 even) |
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| 21:13.07 | n800n | anone have a link to pb's deb OS->card cloner? |
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| 21:17.24 | lardman|home | lcuk: sorry, I speak German |
| 21:17.54 | ds3 | wheee... found a source for mini-A to female full size A stub cables |
| 21:19.22 | Blastur | i have this usb gps, what are the chances i can get it running with the n810? it usually pops up as /dev/ttyUSB0 on a standard linux machine, and i think it uses the FTDI serial -> usb chipset internally.. anyone know if the n810 kernel has this module compiled in? |
| 21:20.06 | acydlord | i dont think it supports usbserial |
| 21:20.29 | nomis | ds3: for Host mode on the N810? |
| 21:20.32 | lardman|home | What's the dress code at LinuxTag? Looks like the Tuesday (which is as far as they want to predict so far) will be pretty warm (30C) |
| 21:20.45 | lardman|home | s/tue/wed |
| 21:20.48 | ds3 | nomis: N800... the N810 takes a micro usb |
| 21:20.53 | nomis | ds3: right. |
| 21:21.07 | Knirch | full beard, pink shorts and a worn out shirt |
| 21:21.13 | acydlord | lol |
| 21:21.18 | nomis | ds3: that source doesn't happen to have these as well? :) |
| 21:21.22 | Blastur | dont forget a gnu cap |
| 21:21.30 | acydlord | nominally a worn out vendor shirt from another con |
| 21:21.48 | lardman|home | what about when presenting? |
| 21:21.56 | lardman|home | take the cap off? ;) |
| 21:22.01 | acydlord | slightly newer vendor shirt |
| 21:22.05 | ds3 | nomis: no, unfortunately. they do have USB - A to a mini A jack converters (the reverse direction) |
| 21:22.06 | acydlord | coffee mug |
| 21:22.16 | Blastur | lardman|gone: replace the cap with a cap with built-in propeller |
| 21:22.23 | acydlord | nominally coffee mug depicting perl camel or vi referrences |
| 21:22.37 | lardman|home | Blastur: ok, so no need to pack a suit then |
| 21:22.47 | Blastur | right |
| 21:23.25 | lardman|home | Anyone else here need a ticket by the way? |
| 21:24.15 | acydlord | i would but the bank turned down the loan for my private jet |
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| 21:24.47 | lardman|home | well you could offset the 25 Euros you'll save with a free ticket against it... :) |
| 21:26.06 | guenther | you'd need these 25 bucks for the taxi, to get from the airport to the con ;) |
| 21:26.19 | lardman|home | how much is the train? |
| 21:26.31 | hrw | guenther: Berlin has nice communication |
| 21:26.38 | hrw | lardman|home: which airport? |
| 21:26.48 | guenther | oh, I was just joking :) |
| 21:27.03 | guenther | Don't know how much the train would be either. |
| 21:27.17 | hrw | lardman|home: there is express train from Texel to main train station (Hbf |
| 21:27.19 | hrw | ) |
| 21:27.53 | lardman|home | http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/englisch/tarife/index.htm |
| 21:27.58 | lardman|home | hrw: thanks |
| 21:28.45 | hrw | lardman|home: linuxtag is near S-Bahn and U-Bahn stations so it should be easy to get there from any place in Berlin |
| 21:29.07 | lardman|home | hrw: cool |
| 21:29.20 | lardman|home | Just got to work out how to get from the airport to our hotel |
| 21:29.21 | lardman|home | :) |
| 21:29.40 | hrw | officially S-Bahn is on ground and U-Bahn is underground but in center they both are mostly under |
| 21:29.40 | lardman|home | s/our/my |
| 21:29.44 | guenther | Right, that would be the most important part. |
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| 21:29.54 | nomis | if you're actually arriving in Tegel don't bother going to the main train station and then to Linuxtag. Would be a useless roundtrip. |
| 21:29.59 | guenther | Once you're at your hotel, they definitely can tell you how to get to the con. |
| 21:30.18 | lardman|home | I fly into Shoenenfeld |
| 21:30.45 | lardman|home | I'm sure it will be easy enough anyway |
| 21:31.09 | hrw | I drive to alexanderplatz - s-bahn there |
| 21:31.09 | nomis | Schönefeld is the opposite end of the city :) |
| 21:31.49 | guenther | On the plus side, the hotel is right on the way from the airport to con. ;) |
| 21:32.29 | nomis | looking at http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/pdf/S+U-Streckennetz_Innenstadt.pdf Linuxtag is at the "Messe Nord/ICC" station, next to "Westkreuz" at the western end of the circle around berlin. |
| 21:34.29 | lardman|home | nomis: no other choice, cheaper and closer to me than flying from London |
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| 21:39.19 | nomis | yeah, sure. Just bad luck... No real traffic trouble though. |
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| 21:42.48 | n800n | ok so |
| 21:42.59 | n800n | i wanna install the rotation thingy |
| 21:43.09 | n800n | and then clone that to boot from card |
| 21:43.18 | n800n | is there a tutorial online? |
| 21:43.25 | n800n | (or 2) |
| 21:43.56 | acydlord | there is an installer and tut for rotation on the itt forums |
| 21:44.33 | acydlord | finding the link, one sec |
| 21:46.19 | acydlord | http://urltea.com/38jm n800n there you go, it says autorotate for the n810, but it also works on the n800 with optional software from the repo it adds |
| 21:46.25 | KotCzarny | sse2.net/rotate |
| 21:46.39 | n800n | thanks |
| 21:46.45 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 21:46.47 | KotCzarny | morning |
| 21:46.56 | n800n | and then penguinbait's deb for cloning works 100 %? |
| 21:46.58 | lcuk | lardman, ive got the ticket now, and have (i think) everything i need - e-ticket for plane journeys (which ive never used before), e-ticket for hotel, and now e-ticket for linuxtag, all i need now is a decent presentation |
| 21:47.09 | lcuk | i best hibernate for the weekend - thank god its bank holiday |
| 21:48.05 | KotCzarny | n800n: if you do something stupid there is no such thing as 100% |
| 21:48.16 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 21:48.37 | n800n | de...fine stupid |
| 21:48.40 | Johnny5 | Is there any news on softpoweroff in Diablo? The bug's supposedly been fixed for ages, but it's low-priority. |
| 21:49.07 | lcuk | hi kot :) had breakfast yet? |
| 21:49.12 | KotCzarny | not yet |
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| 21:49.30 | KotCzarny | got up only recently |
| 21:49.35 | GAN800 | johnny5 (my bug), still no fix |
| 21:49.46 | GAN800 | mce is 1.7.19 |
| 21:49.57 | lcuk | i cant speak when ive just woke up, even irc comes out garbled |
| 21:50.11 | GAN800 | Stupid nonsense, but I poked some internal people about it. |
| 21:50.14 | lcuk | (not much different to usual though..) |
| 21:50.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:51.05 | GAN800 | bug fixed in November, but they're never gonna ship the goddamn fix. . . . |
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| 21:52.08 | lcuk | a good bugfix needs time to bake |
| 21:52.29 | lcuk | though its smoking and crispy now |
| 21:52.43 | KotCzarny | prefers pancakes |
| 21:52.45 | KotCzarny | and cheese |
| 21:53.18 | mike_11 | can anyone recommend how to run an emolation of a N810 device? |
| 21:53.52 | lcuk | mike, scratchbox on my vmware starts up some xephry thing when i click the icon |
| 21:54.03 | lcuk | xepyhr |
| 21:54.13 | lcuk | or something like that... |
| 21:54.36 | lcuk | has kicked his vmware addition now |
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| 21:54.46 | mike_11 | does in act as a fully functional device? with full OS/Desktop features? |
| 21:54.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:55.11 | mike_11 | it* |
| 21:55.23 | lcuk | apparantly, but i never used it - i dont see the point in emulation when the device works really well natively |
| 21:55.54 | mike_11 | i don't have a native one yet |
| 21:56.02 | lcuk | switching targets and faffing compiling to different cpus and stuff and not being 100% confident its the right thing and not having the same interactive feel as actually touching the interface |
| 21:56.12 | lcuk | ahh, well that could be a showstopper |
| 21:56.46 | NullM0dem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.52 | KotCzarny | ^ fail |
| 21:57.02 | hrw | bye |
| 21:57.03 | lcuk | the emulation is sound as far as the desktop environment goes, but its not featureful - ie it shows a desktop and everything can be installed on it, but its not got all the default apps installed |
| 21:57.22 | lcuk | cya hrw |
| 21:57.31 | mike_11 | exactly, |
| 21:57.43 | mike_11 | thats y i cant start the show |
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| 21:59.28 | n800n | wee there it goes |
| 21:59.42 | n800n | stupid free |
| 22:01.14 | mike_11 | why don't nokia allow to D/L OS2008 without providing serial? |
| 22:01.32 | lcuk | why do you need it if you havent got a device? |
| 22:01.51 | mike_11 | i.e. i wanna dev on a PC |
| 22:01.59 | mike_11 | or, don't have a device but wanna dev |
| 22:02.00 | lcuk | go get the vmware package |
| 22:02.06 | mike_11 | huh? |
| 22:02.08 | NullM0dem | the vm works nice |
| 22:02.10 | AStorm | hmm |
| 22:02.12 | lcuk | really nice |
| 22:02.15 | NullM0dem | i just installed it at work :D |
| 22:02.15 | KotCzarny | lcuk: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4574 |
| 22:02.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:02.23 | AStorm | for some reason, init started gobbling cpu here |
| 22:02.25 | lcuk | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 22:04.05 | lcuk | kot, thats similar in principle to the 4 voxel LCD displays ive seen for multi touch: Red,Green,Blue,Sensor the Sensor picks up ambient light or shadow based upon a finger covering it or not and works really well at a 1:1 ratio to onscreen display |
| 22:04.05 | mike_11 | intersting, thanks |
| 22:05.22 | n800n | am i supposed to get a rotatio icon? |
| 22:05.24 | lcuk | NullM0dem, i went one better, i have gcc and the autotools on device :) |
| 22:05.24 | n800n | +n |
| 22:05.37 | KotCzarny | n800n: if you install status bar app, yes |
| 22:05.40 | NullM0dem | nice |
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| 22:05.44 | n800n | ah |
| 22:05.55 | acydlord | n800n, yeah, what he said |
| 22:05.57 | lcuk | for my incremental compilations its not noticably slower than my big box |
| 22:06.19 | KotCzarny | n800: have you read what's on that page? |
| 22:06.23 | NullM0dem | lcuk: do you have to install another OS, i have been reluctant as i value battery life |
| 22:06.28 | lcuk | especially factoring in the time to copy over and execute via the old method |
| 22:06.41 | lcuk | NullM0dem, not at all - im using stock maemo :) |
| 22:06.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk: sshfs :) |
| 22:07.05 | lcuk | the only none standard thing i have done is reformatted my external memory card to ext2 or 3 or something |
| 22:07.29 | lcuk | KotCzarny, yes, but now thats only for actual files |
| 22:07.48 | KotCzarny | well, you can have a infinite shell script |
| 22:07.49 | lcuk | rather than copying the final binary from my vmware to device |
| 22:07.57 | KotCzarny | that will respawn the app :) |
| 22:08.06 | KotCzarny | then you would only need to press 'q' on device |
| 22:08.09 | KotCzarny | or esc |
| 22:08.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:08.30 | lcuk | im thinking of listening for slide events and shake the program loose if it gets stuck ;) |
| 22:09.04 | KotCzarny | lcuk: imagine, you run app in the loop, so no copying, no executing |
| 22:09.11 | KotCzarny | at least not manual :) |
| 22:09.23 | KotCzarny | if you want to test new ver just press esc |
| 22:09.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:09.32 | KotCzarny | and script reexecs it :) |
| 22:09.33 | lcuk | im well beyond that kot, the ide MUST be using the slick text rendering |
| 22:09.41 | Johnny5 | GAN800: Thanks for the update. I figured it was something like that. I loved softpoweroff in OS2007, and never understood why it wasn't default. The fact that I can't turn off a device if I press the power button too fast after unplugging it from a charger is IMO a horrible design flaw. |
| 22:12.02 | GAN800 | It's just pure unadulterated retarde stupidity. |
| 22:12.15 | GAN800 | and it really should be the default behavior. |
| 22:12.21 | n800n | hm ranadr extension missing |
| 22:12.22 | lcuk | for me, the biggest power draw comes from omdemand. if i leave my device on powersave whilst locked it doesnt touch the battery - even if something comes along and wants cpu power why should i give it to them, my device is locked |
| 22:12.28 | n800n | i thought i was stupid-free :/ |
| 22:12.30 | GAN800 | The N800 is not a cellphone. . . . |
| 22:12.35 | lcuk | ondemand |
| 22:12.47 | NullM0dem | I am asked if my n810 is a cell all of the time |
| 22:13.01 | lcuk | just say yes |
| 22:13.34 | lcuk | and keep the bt phone teher deep inside your pocket |
| 22:14.29 | lcuk | right, i do actually want to get some stuff done before bed tonight |
| 22:14.37 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 22:14.52 | acydlord | i'm asked quite often if mine is a cell too |
| 22:14.52 | KotCzarny | n800n: install kernel, xserver and statusbar app |
| 22:15.13 | KotCzarny | n800n: and read what people write about their apps |
| 22:15.24 | acydlord | and then i explain to people that i'd rather carry several different devices that do their job well than one device that does many jobs half assed |
| 22:15.39 | lcuk | which device is that? |
| 22:15.43 | acydlord | n800n, i got that same error |
| 22:15.58 | n800n | i'm going by the edited first post instead of reading the 12 pages |
| 22:16.14 | KotCzarny | n800n: sse2.net/rotate |
| 22:16.15 | acydlord | i ran apt-get upgrade xserver-xrandr from the command line and then rebooted and it worked |
| 22:16.37 | n800n | it didn't dld the first time |
| 22:16.55 | n800n | it's installing xserver now |
| 22:18.00 | n800n | thanks |
| 22:18.06 | n800n | works |
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| 22:19.55 | n800n | rebooted |
| 22:20.18 | n800n | :D |
| 22:21.34 | lardman|home | lcuk: glad you got it ok; same here, have to do some presentation making |
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| 22:28.01 | n800n | success. |
| 22:28.13 | n800n | dances |
| 22:29.53 | m-c | congratulations |
| 22:30.21 | n800n | ty |
| 22:30.26 | n800n | been wanting this for ages |
| 22:30.43 | n800n | was the obvious feature lacking out of the box |
| 22:31.10 | KotCzarny | there should be a os2008he for n8x0 too |
| 22:31.11 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:32.37 | n800n | do you know of a theme that makes the scrollbars black? |
| 22:32.42 | ssvb | lardman|home: hi, I'm starting some serious DSP hacking here and I hope to get this DSP color format conversion work with mplayer |
| 22:32.49 | n800n | like when zooming in on images, etc |
| 22:33.33 | ssvb | tlardman|home: thank you for doing research and preparing a good starting point |
| 22:34.05 | KotCzarny | he got it working? :) |
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| 22:35.45 | lardman|home | ssvb: np |
| 22:36.07 | lardman|home | ssvb: I don't know what the problem is with that code, but doubtless some error on my part in the algo |
| 22:36.09 | ssvb | lardman|home: I also suspect that it is only a beginning and we may get some serious video speedup at the next iteration by offloading more work to DSP in the final stage of video decoding (by using IDCT and motion compensation hardware acceleration) |
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| 22:36.33 | lardman|home | certainly doing IDCT and motion comp would be good |
| 22:37.09 | lardman|home | be careful though, it appears that if you try to ioctl the DSP too fast, it gets queued up until the queue is full (I guess) and causes a reset |
| 22:38.11 | lardman|home | so in my current code, I do an ioctl to tell the DSP to perform the update |
| 22:38.28 | lardman|home | if I put a delay of ~0.1s between my ioctls, I get a crash |
| 22:38.36 | KotCzarny | lardman: btw, there is a dsp log i think |
| 22:38.50 | lardman|home | KotCzarny: yes, it comes out in dmesg |
| 22:38.58 | KotCzarny | no |
| 22:38.59 | KotCzarny | more |
| 22:38.59 | ssvb | lardman|home: I already noticed some problems with demo_console when it is compiled with optimizations and busyloop gets removed by the compiler |
| 22:39.01 | lardman|home | KotCzarny: the message was DSP busy or some such |
| 22:39.14 | KotCzarny | let me check the filename |
| 22:39.23 | KotCzarny | it's quite detailed |
| 22:39.58 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.23 | lardman|home | that's the mailbox log |
| 22:40.30 | ssvb | lardman|home: probably your DSP task is not fast enough to handle this stuff, but I would expect it to block and not crash |
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| 22:40.42 | n800n | http://penguinbait.com/index.html |
| 22:40.46 | n800n | that is insane. |
| 22:40.54 | KotCzarny | but if you send anything to dsp it goes through mbox |
| 22:41.04 | KotCzarny | or i'm confused |
| 22:41.15 | lardman|home | ssvb: I was guessing that it's that the DSP kernel has no more room for the messages, and it's then the ARM kernel which causes the error and makes dsp_dld reset it |
| 22:41.30 | lardman|home | KotCzarny: yes, but not ioctls iirc |
| 22:41.52 | ssvb | lardman|home: btw, what version of dspgateway is the best? |
| 22:42.00 | KotCzarny | but it shows about dsp transfers too |
| 22:42.01 | lardman|home | ssvb: the DSP kernel can't be reset as the fb is shared, so it brings it all down |
| 22:42.49 | lardman|home | ssvb: you have to use 3.3 (though you don't really need the code often), but the docs for 3.3.1 are better (and the changes are only internal, though enough to stop it from working) |
| 22:43.19 | lardman|home | KotCzarny: I'll have to check, but the ioctls are not done thought the mailbox stuff iirc |
| 22:43.42 | ssvb | lardman|home: did you have some problems with 3.3.1? |
| 22:44.01 | KotCzarny | ipbuf is also interesting |
| 22:44.03 | ssvb | is 3.3 also used for N8x0? |
| 22:44.50 | lardman|home | ssvb: I tried to compile & use dsp_dld from 3.3.1, it doesn't work, 3.3 is used for Chinook, etc. |
| 22:45.40 | ssvb | lardman|home: It is a bit strange, as OMAP2 support is mentioned as one of the features of 3.3.1 |
| 22:45.55 | lardman|home | ssvb: incompatibility |
| 22:46.10 | lardman|home | ssvb: between the version compiled for the ARM & DSP kernels |
| 22:47.25 | lardman|home | I'm sure when we get an updated kernel we'll get dspgateway 3.3.1 as well |
| 22:49.16 | ssvb | lardman|home: maemo dspprogramming wiki page recommends version 3.3.1 of dspgateway |
| 22:49.22 | ssvb | should it be fixed? |
| 22:49.28 | lardman|home | yes, it's wrong |
| 22:51.18 | KotCzarny | btw. what are those 3 planes mentioned in: /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/caps_text |
| 22:51.57 | KotCzarny | does it mean there is a way to do triple buffering? |
| 22:51.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:52.39 | KotCzarny | U:572x430p-76 |
| 22:52.39 | KotCzarny | U:176x144p-559 |
| 22:52.39 | KotCzarny | U:800x480p-50 |
| 22:52.50 | KotCzarny | it also looks that it's a 50hz at max res |
| 22:53.25 | KotCzarny | also |
| 22:53.43 | KotCzarny | lardman, check: /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics:fb[0-2]/stride |
| 22:55.25 | lardman|home | KotCzarny: I noticed messages about there being 3 framebuffers when using the DSP to map one |
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| 22:55.47 | lardman|home | it automatically uses the first one (in the kernel code), so I didn't bother looking any further |
| 22:55.50 | n800n | hey i saved penguinbait's install-tools but the app manager says it's corrupted |
| 22:56.02 | EruditeHermit | hey, has anyone managed to get fanoush's initfs to work with diablo? |
| 22:56.09 | n800n | is there another copy hosted elsewhere? |
| 22:56.11 | KotCzarny | eh: qwerty12 did |
| 22:56.31 | EruditeHermit | are there any caveats that I should be aware of? |
| 22:56.44 | lardman|home | ssvb: I'm not sure if the frame sync could be done in another way, perhaps by (heaven forbid) polling shared memory from the DSP |
| 22:56.52 | KotCzarny | eh: make a backup, and check |
| 22:57.12 | ssvb | lardman|home: how much memory can we map in a single block? |
| 22:57.24 | lardman|home | I have been told up to 16Mb |
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| 22:57.54 | lardman|home | the largest tlb is 0x100000, and there aren't many left over, so some multiple of this |
| 22:58.41 | lardman|home | I was running into troubles on the 770 trying to share the fb and map a largish region of shared memory, I've not got round to finding out why yet |
| 22:58.57 | ssvb | lardman|home: avs_kernelcfg.cmd defines some memory regions such as EXTMEM1, EXTMEM2, etc |
| 22:59.07 | ssvb | the largest is 2MB |
| 22:59.18 | lardman|home | yes, that will then use two TLBs |
| 22:59.46 | ssvb | well, or it is actually 1MB? |
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| 23:00.16 | ssvb | is len measured in 8-bit chars or 16-bit chars there? |
| 23:00.20 | lardman|home | you can map more, but it just needs more TLBs to do so, and we don't have many left over |
| 23:00.33 | lardman|home | 8-bit |
| 23:01.08 | lardman|home | dspgateway docs (pdf) give a diagram of the memory map, so you should be able to see the maximum there |
| 23:01.37 | ssvb | lardman|home: ok, 1MB is a bit too small, do I have to define some new region? should it not overlap with the others? |
| 23:02.13 | lardman|home | ssvb: I was just meaning make it a multiple of 1Mb so as not to waste TLBs handling 0x10,000 chunks |
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| 23:02.24 | ssvb | I wonder if dsp tasks are running in the same address space or there is some kind of protection |
| 23:02.46 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: if I mess up the initfs, is it possible to reload an initfs using flasher like kernels can be loaded from the desktop before boot? |
| 23:02.47 | lardman|home | either define a new region is there are none large enough, or use an existing one and pragma your variable to be placed in there |
| 23:03.01 | KotCzarny | eh: yes, you can flash only initfs |
| 23:03.03 | ssvb | lardman|home: sure, I think that 2MB is minimum if we want to support videos up to VGA resolution |
| 23:03.13 | lardman|home | ssvb: not too sure |
| 23:03.41 | lardman|home | ssvb: ok on the 2Mb, should be enough TLBs left over. Iirc it ran out above 5 or so |
| 23:03.52 | lardman|home | (5 or so more than are already used that is) |
| 23:04.19 | AStorm | hmmhmm, getting no boot out of 2.6.26-rc3-omap |
| 23:04.37 | ssvb | lardman|home: existing ones are too small then (1MB maximum), so I guess I will need to create a new one |
| 23:04.38 | AStorm | and no boot out of my own too, for some reason, blah |
| 23:04.49 | AStorm | fortunately, I've a backup on /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 23:04.49 | KotCzarny | astorm: .25 works? |
| 23:05.07 | lardman|home | ssvb: you want to create a monolithic chunk? Could a couple of smaller ones do the job? |
| 23:05.07 | AStorm | that older one worked I think, wait |
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| 23:06.02 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: and this is how to install fanoush's initfs http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/ |
| 23:06.05 | ssvb | lardman|home: yes, they could, but can both of them be mapped at ARM side too? |
| 23:06.12 | AStorm | I've to hunt and kill the guy who made that 2.6.21 kernel module |
| 23:06.14 | AStorm | it's *old* btrfs |
| 23:06.27 | lardman|home | ssvb: ah, no that is true; sorry am half asleep |
| 23:06.37 | KotCzarny | eh: i don't know, i just downloaded initfs_flasher and read docs inside |
| 23:06.45 | *** topic/#maemo by AStorm -> might have selfdestructed |
| 23:06.46 | AStorm | It might have selfdestructed |
| 23:06.54 | AStorm | what? |
| 23:06.58 | KotCzarny | lame |
| 23:07.00 | AStorm | It |
| 23:07.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:07.07 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 23:07.30 | *** topic/#maemo by KotCzarny -> maemo.org for all your needs. read it. |
| 23:07.50 | AStorm | I don't have an alias like that, weird |
| 23:08.00 | KotCzarny | astorm: know your irc client |
| 23:08.11 | ssvb | lardman|home: and the last question, you define FB_ADDRESS as 0x180000, where did you take this 'magic' number? |
| 23:08.27 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it's some experimental v. of Weechat ;P |
| 23:08.45 | ssvb | lardman|home: does it always have this address at DSP side? |
| 23:08.59 | AStorm | I put zImage there, right? |
| 23:09.04 | AStorm | or bzImage? |
| 23:09.08 | lardman|home | ssvb: it's from the avs_kernelcfg.cmd file |
| 23:09.15 | KotCzarny | astorm: where? |
| 23:09.23 | AStorm | or vmlinux? |
| 23:09.26 | AStorm | onto Nokia, duh |
| 23:09.35 | lardman|home | ssvb: There's a gap if you look on the N8x0 version, where on the 770 the FRAMEBUFFER section sits |
| 23:09.37 | KotCzarny | astorm: bzimage |
| 23:09.43 | ssvb | lardman|home: hmm, mine is 'FRAMEBUFFER: origin = 0x300000, len = 0x100000' |
| 23:09.46 | AStorm | mhm |
| 23:09.50 | lardman|home | ssvb: take this address and divide it by two |
| 23:09.51 | AStorm | that was my fail ;P |
| 23:10.32 | lardman|home | ssvb: as that file is read by dsp_dld which operates on the ARM side; while the 0x180000 is on the DSP side |
| 23:10.55 | KotCzarny | 16bit chars fun |
| 23:10.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:11.09 | AStorm | no, bzImage makes the device autoreboot |
| 23:11.09 | lardman|home | oooh yes :) |
| 23:11.13 | AStorm | so, you lied to me |
| 23:11.19 | ssvb | lardman|home: ok, thanks, I forgot that it works with 8-byte units again :) |
| 23:11.25 | KotCzarny | astorm: how do you flash it? |
| 23:12.09 | lardman|home | ssvb: np; I should really ask the ARM to send over the address, but as you can't actually map the FB from userspace, it's fairly pointless unless you want to parse that file (and I couldn't be bothered) |
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| 23:12.20 | AStorm | KotCzarny: with flasher-3.0 |
| 23:12.34 | KotCzarny | astorm, then reason may be something else |
| 23:12.52 | KotCzarny | astorm: and flasher should check if you try flashing anything other than linux kernel |
| 23:13.02 | KotCzarny | try it with some jpg |
| 23:13.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it doesn't |
| 23:13.28 | KotCzarny | astorm: then use fanoush kernel flasher, this one checks :) |
| 23:14.03 | ssvb | lardman|home: and new we are better to hope that OMAP1710 has revision 3.0 of silicon, as it should have no issues with addresses wrapping |
| 23:14.04 | KotCzarny | darn, i'm listening to 'mazowsze' and find it fairly nice |
| 23:14.28 | lardman|home | ssvb: I'd not seen that one |
| 23:15.21 | lardman|home | ssvb: Time for bed for me, email me to let me know your progress, I probably won't be able to reply until Sunday though |
| 23:15.27 | lardman|home | ssvb: Good luck :) |
| 23:15.39 | lardman|home | night all |
| 23:15.47 | ssvb | lardman|home: thanks |
| 23:16.11 | AStorm | KotCzarny: and doesn't work ;) |
| 23:16.28 | KotCzarny | astorm: works for me ;) |
| 23:16.39 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.41 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 23:16.48 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it does anything :) |
| 23:18.04 | AStorm | trying 2.6.25-omap1 again |
| 23:19.47 | AStorm | I'll add the keyboard patch etc. too |
| 23:20.00 | KotCzarny | and rotate and op_patch |
| 23:20.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.32 | AStorm | op_patch? |
| 23:20.36 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:20.37 | AStorm | which one is that? |
| 23:20.58 | KotCzarny | so you can select which mode should be used for dsp |
| 23:22.48 | KotCzarny | the guy responsible for irclogs should split them into 24 pieces |
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| 23:22.59 | KotCzarny | google gets confused otherwise |
| 23:23.40 | AStorm | url? |
| 23:23.46 | KotCzarny | looking |
| 23:25.07 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/patches/op_patch.diff |
| 23:25.27 | KotCzarny | by default it only adds sysfs interface |
| 23:25.45 | KotCzarny | so nothing is affected until you set it via echo |
| 23:25.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.00 | AStorm | what does this "mode" mean? |
| 23:26.17 | KotCzarny | you know when system goes into 330/220 mode, right? |
| 23:26.29 | KotCzarny | with this patch you can tell it to use 400/133 instead |
| 23:26.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.32 | AStorm | mhm |
| 23:26.35 | AStorm | good idea |
| 23:27.05 | KotCzarny | and you can revert back to 330/220 runtime if you need to test your app with diff modes |
| 23:27.35 | Blafasel | Being rather ignorant about C development: Why is that patch removing the OP_DSP definition from an enumeration and providing it as another definition, this time in lowercase? |
| 23:28.06 | KotCzarny | blafasel: to not to conflict with other modes |
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| 23:31.55 | AStorm | ah, I might've forgotten the patch for that device ID, duh |
| 23:31.59 | AStorm | my idiocy again :> |
| 23:32.33 | KotCzarny | punish yourself for being forgetfull |
| 23:32.54 | AStorm | where should I change that? |
| 23:33.08 | KotCzarny | change what? |
| 23:33.26 | AStorm | the device id |
| 23:33.35 | AStorm | forgot which file was it and haven't made a patch |
| 23:33.36 | KotCzarny | rdev ? |
| 23:33.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:33.43 | AStorm | btw, where is the store of all the patches? |
| 23:33.49 | AStorm | no, not rdev, duh |
| 23:33.52 | AStorm | the one IN THE KERNEL |
| 23:34.08 | KotCzarny | rdev changes it in the kernel |
| 23:34.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.13 | AStorm | ... |
| 23:34.18 | AStorm | where, what, who? |
| 23:34.24 | *** topic/#maemo by AStorm -> was a code change |
| 23:34.25 | AStorm | it was a code change |
| 23:34.28 | KotCzarny | lame |
| 23:34.35 | AStorm | kills that weechat |
| 23:34.37 | KotCzarny | you fail twice |
| 23:34.42 | jldiaz | anyone knows if mpd uses the dsp or the cpu? |
| 23:34.44 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.54 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's not that |
| 23:34.59 | AStorm | I'm talking about real device id |
| 23:35.05 | AStorm | not the root flash address |
| 23:35.05 | KotCzarny | astorm, then i don't understand your question |
| 23:35.12 | AStorm | ... |
| 23:35.14 | KotCzarny | what device id? |
| 23:35.29 | AStorm | AKA Board ID |
| 23:35.38 | AStorm | the kernel has one hardcoded for checking as a define |
| 23:35.48 | AStorm | and I have the devel one on the device (= 5555) |
| 23:35.52 | AStorm | for some reason |
| 23:35.55 | AStorm | need to fix the kernel |
| 23:35.58 | KotCzarny | hmm, don't know |
| 23:36.02 | KotCzarny | just grep it |
| 23:36.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.03 | AStorm | I don't know what's the usual one |
| 23:37.18 | AStorm | and don't know what's the define called |
| 23:38.14 | AStorm | even don't know which file it is, I'd have to check my mail |
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| 23:38.54 | AStorm | it test |
| 23:39.02 | AStorm | yes, now it didn't change the topic |
| 23:39.10 | AStorm | KotCzarny: care to fix the topic? |
| 23:39.17 | *** topic/#maemo by KotCzarny -> astorm is a fail |
| 23:39.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:39.24 | KotCzarny | fixed |
| 23:39.25 | *** join/#maemo wolfspirit (n=Wolfspir@cpe-65-27-171-201.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 23:39.50 | wolfspirit | does anyone in here have a nokia n800? how the heck to you remove the battery? it doesn't want to come out |
| 23:39.56 | *** topic/#maemo by AStorm -> maemo - your fail is our lol |
| 23:40.15 | AStorm | wolfspirit: take the lid off, then slightly pull the battery |
| 23:40.18 | guenther | wolfspirit: What do you mean? |
| 23:40.21 | AStorm | should come out easily |
| 23:40.33 | guenther | You removed the cover? |
| 23:40.39 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:40.40 | wolfspirit | it won't come out.. I've been pulling on it pretty hard |
| 23:40.47 | wolfspirit | guenther: lol yes |
| 23:41.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.03 | AStorm | hmm weird |
| 23:41.04 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.11 | KotCzarny | i wonder if we can undervolt it |
| 23:41.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:41.12 | guenther | wolfspirit: ok, slowly :) |
| 23:41.23 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it is undervolted in the default kernel |
| 23:41.25 | guenther | The cover is removed. You see the battery. |
| 23:41.32 | KotCzarny | astorm: good |
| 23:41.33 | AStorm | it has sliding voltage control |
| 23:41.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:41.37 | AStorm | can work on 1.1V even |
| 23:41.44 | guenther | Looking at your device, back view. Battery on the right side. |
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| 23:41.50 | KotCzarny | 1.005 is a sleep state |
| 23:41.57 | wolfspirit | yes.. |
| 23:42.03 | guenther | Remove the Bat from the right side. |
| 23:42.14 | wolfspirit | trying |
| 23:42.16 | AStorm | :-) |
| 23:42.22 | guenther | with a finger nail or something |
| 23:42.32 | wolfspirit | I have two fingers on it trying to pry the damn thing an it won't budge |
| 23:42.32 | guenther | grab it, pull it towards you |
| 23:42.59 | guenther | You're grabbing it at the side that reads "Nokia", right? |
| 23:43.10 | wolfspirit | no |
| 23:43.19 | guenther | you need to. |
| 23:43.22 | AStorm | wolfspirit: that's the fail |
| 23:43.22 | guenther | Not the part in the middle of the device. |
| 23:43.24 | AStorm | :-) |
| 23:43.36 | guenther | There the contacts are, and a nose to keep it safe. |
| 23:43.51 | guenther | I told you to grab it from the right side... :) |
| 23:44.02 | guenther | The one next to the edge of your device. |
| 23:44.12 | KotCzarny | and someone was complaining that battery is too loose ;) |
| 23:44.15 | wolfspirit | can't get my fingers in there to pull it out.. do you use a key or soemthing? |
| 23:44.34 | guenther | a finger nail |
| 23:44.47 | guenther | But anything sharp-ish should do. |
| 23:44.59 | guenther | Don't use something really sharp, though. |
| 23:45.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: found it :-) |
| 23:45.07 | KotCzarny | astorm: good |
| 23:45.12 | KotCzarny | (for you at least) |
| 23:45.32 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 23:45.37 | KotCzarny | board-n800.c contains hw key mappings |
| 23:45.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:45.59 | wolfspirit | there we go got it |
| 23:45.59 | wolfspirit | ty |
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| 23:46.03 | GAN800 | Tap it on your palm gently. |
| 23:46.05 | AStorm | arch/arm/tools/mach-types |
| 23:46.05 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:46.05 | AStorm | some guy posted a nice hw keyboard patch on linux-omap mailing list |
| 23:46.12 | GAN800 | bullet proof method. |
| 23:46.13 | wolfspirit | I was afraid I was going to break the damn thing |
| 23:46.13 | guenther | wolfspirit: It helps pushing it slightly to the middle. |
| 23:46.26 | guenther | ah, good :-) |
| 23:46.26 | GAN800 | tap-tap-tap |
| 23:46.32 | GAN800 | battery put |
| 23:46.36 | AStorm | KotCzarny: for n810 ofc |
| 23:46.39 | GAN800 | s/put/out/ |
| 23:46.48 | AStorm | it adds sticky keys, fn support |
| 23:46.59 | wolfspirit | btw.. so far I really like this thing |
| 23:47.02 | guenther | GAN800: that works :) |
| 23:47.10 | GAN800 | perfectly. :P |
| 23:47.18 | guenther | Just be sure not to tab it against your palm with the battery itself. :) |
| 23:47.24 | GAN800 | Took me a while to come up with it, though |
| 23:47.29 | guenther | Never tried that one. |
| 23:47.36 | GAN800 | and be gentle |
| 23:47.37 | guenther | But it helps keeping your fingers nails. |
| 23:47.42 | guenther | If you're a gal. ;-) |
| 23:47.47 | wolfspirit | I'm a big gadget geek but I can see myself using this for awhile |
| 23:47.56 | GAN800 | There are no women oon the internet. |
| 23:48.10 | KotCzarny | infobot: n800keys is http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt |
| 23:48.11 | infobot | okay, KotCzarny |
| 23:48.12 | guenther | has spotted some |
| 23:48.15 | KotCzarny | ~n800keys |
| 23:48.16 | infobot | i heard n800keys is http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt |
| 23:48.22 | wolfspirit | crap.. it didn't wipe the device.. |
| 23:48.30 | GAN800 | Lies! . . . FBI agents. :P |
| 23:48.35 | n800n | somebody say some women? my xchat is flashing |
| 23:48.42 | wolfspirit | I guess I will have to try and flash it then. the guy I bought it from left all of his crap on it |
| 23:48.45 | guenther | haha |
| 23:48.50 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: I installed the fanoush initfs but how to I select from where I want to boot? how do I get to the menu? |
| 23:48.58 | GAN800 | It's not a Palm, wolfspirit |
| 23:49.06 | KotCzarny | eh: read the docs included in the package, it's really there |
| 23:49.12 | GAN800 | flash isn't volatile |
| 23:49.24 | KotCzarny | flash is volatile (in 10-20 years) |
| 23:49.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:49.30 | guenther | wolfspirit: by "crap" you mean what exactly? |
| 23:49.36 | guenther | Data? Apps? |
| 23:49.42 | GAN800 | pornography |
| 23:49.53 | GAN800 | and he's not into giraffe porn |
| 23:50.01 | guenther | GAN800: That's data. ;) |
| 23:50.01 | wolfspirit | documents, his accounts, and the main file structure says "Marty's pad" I was able to log into his google account lol |
| 23:50.15 | guenther | eek |
| 23:50.23 | KotCzarny | ok, bullet proof method for extracting battery: hold nokia in right hand battery on the upper side, then tap device against left hand |
| 23:50.30 | guenther | That guy's a moron |
| 23:50.37 | wolfspirit | and even worse yet.. he was a retired air force person with info on there |
| 23:50.51 | KotCzarny | guenther: hmm ? |
| 23:51.09 | guenther | KotCzarny: What do you mean? The "eek"? |
| 23:51.26 | KotCzarny | nvm |
| 23:51.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:51.31 | guenther | Account data left on a {device,machine} you sell... |
| 23:51.48 | wolfspirit | so if I flash the device I can format everything right? |
| 23:51.53 | guenther | Any other reaction than eek or druel? |
| 23:51.57 | guenther | :) |
| 23:52.12 | n800n | what does fsck do? |
| 23:52.24 | AStorm | hmm hmm, the kernel is still crashing... actually, watchdog kills it :P |
| 23:52.25 | n800n | check the file system? |
| 23:52.26 | KotCzarny | it fscks your data |
| 23:52.30 | wolfspirit | yes |
| 23:52.36 | acydlord | it's like chkdsk on speed |
| 23:52.40 | n800n | ok |
| 23:52.48 | KotCzarny | use ext3 and you won't need fsck |
| 23:52.49 | n800n | so it's a good thing to do |
| 23:52.55 | GAN800 | Flashing wipes everything but sd, wolfspirit |
| 23:53.04 | KotCzarny | (well, not that often :) |
| 23:53.15 | wolfspirit | n800n: please don't tell me you are looking for things to delete in the system |
| 23:54.02 | n800n | no, but pb says fsck whenever you crash |
| 23:54.14 | n800n | the sd card |
| 23:54.21 | KotCzarny | pb? |
| 23:54.26 | n800n | penguinbait |
| 23:54.29 | KotCzarny | aha |
| 23:54.38 | n800n | you're KC btw |
| 23:54.43 | KotCzarny | n800n: just clone os to sd card (and use ext3) |
| 23:54.52 | n800n | i did, just now |
| 23:54.57 | n800n | it was strangely fast |
| 23:55.02 | n800n | using the deb pb made |
| 23:55.29 | KotCzarny | yeah, it's only copying some data |
| 23:55.30 | n800n | and yeah, it's ext3 |
| 23:55.34 | KotCzarny | ~100-200mb |
| 23:55.56 | n800n | i wanna install kde next |
| 23:56.04 | KotCzarny | what for? |
| 23:56.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:56.08 | n800n | just reading the forum to see what problems people have had |
| 23:56.14 | n800n | because i can :D |
| 23:56.17 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 23:56.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:56.24 | n800n | i hope |
| 23:56.40 | guenther | That's actually about the only valid answer. |
| 23:56.51 | *** topic/#maemo by KotCzarny -> watchdog kills |
| 23:57.17 | AStorm | KotCzarny: lol |
| 23:57.22 | n800n | is it painfully slow? |
| 23:57.28 | AStorm | it's been fixed in new kernel |
| 23:57.39 | KotCzarny | fixed like in 'removed' ? |
| 23:57.40 | AStorm | I'll grab the muru.com patch and see if it helps (it should) |
| 23:57.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:57.54 | acydlord | cripes, my mcse lapsed this year |
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| 23:58.12 | KotCzarny | they just simply have added reset button |
| 23:58.17 | guenther | don't worry |
| 23:58.23 | KotCzarny | than this whole watchdog hell |
| 23:58.37 | guenther | Mention it on mailing lists, if you want a laugh... |
| 23:58.59 | n800n | will this kde install run Qt dependent apps? |
| 23:59.19 | KotCzarny | if that kde includes qt libs |
| 23:59.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:59.29 | KotCzarny | then probably yes |
