IRC log for #maemo on 20080522

`00:00.33`	`Blafasel`	`Sry, 2 am in the morning and I have to return this f...ing Nokia phone to a shop tomorrow.`
`00:00.40`	`rm_you`	`heh`
`00:00.42`	`rm_you`	`which model?`
`00:00.43`	`Blafasel`	`I'm out, leaving in a minute ;)`
`00:00.45`	`Blafasel`	`E51`
`00:01.49`	`flo_lap`	`good night`
`00:02.19`	`Blafasel`	`Okay, I'm out for a nap. Good luck with mplayer`
`00:02.42`	`rm_you`	`night`
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`00:04.30`	`rm_you`	`hrm well i guess that was the problem`
`00:04.43`	`rm_you`	`i generated a machine-id with dbus-uuidgen and now it works`
`00:05.14`	`AStorm`	`hehe`
`00:05.33`	`rm_you`	`but that's wierd... because i dont think it's EVER had one... it just started requiring it in the last 15 minutes!?`
`00:05.50`	`rm_you`	`maybe some things it's best not to question`
`00:06.23`	`rm_you`	`WTF and now mplayer is laggy as @&*#^@!`
`00:07.01`	`rm_you`	`something definately happened`
`00:07.03`	`rm_you`	`wtf`
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`00:10.38`	`rm_you`	`what could possibly have happened in the last hour that makes mplayer lag to all hell on videos that used to play just fine`
`00:11.04`	`AStorm`	`hmm, browser is talking abt. missing storage dir`
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`00:11.59`	`rm_you`	`gonna try rebooting it again`
`00:12.04`	`rm_you`	`with a battery out in the middle`
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`00:13.01`	`AStorm`	`oh, I see, ext card didn't mound`
`00:13.53`	`rm_you`	`hrm, rebooting three times and taking the battery out seems to have solved it?!`
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`00:18.06`	`rm_you`	`hrm`
`00:18.14`	`rm_you`	`so now it works as long as i don't run it from the console?!`
`00:18.27`	`rm_you`	`i've returned the mplayer setup to DEFAULT`
`00:18.32`	`rm_you`	`why is this worse than it was before!?`
`00:20.51`	`beford`	`failure`
`00:21.45`	`koyote`	`no poker games, I can find. and the sudoku won't install`
`00:21.48`	`koyote`	`for os2008`
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`00:40.18`	`Navi`	`koyote, the one in the repos doesn't work?`
`00:42.05`	`koyote`	`the one what?`
`00:42.08`	`koyote`	`sudoku? nope`
`00:42.22`	`koyote`	`fails to install`
`00:43.10`	`Navi`	`worked for me`
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`00:57.17`	`Evaprototype`	`I have a question about a keyboard on the n800 i read that you can hook a keyboard up to it through the usb with out a powered hub is that true.`
`00:57.28`	`rm_you`	`depends on the keyboard`
`00:57.31`	`rm_you`	`and may require kernel hacks`
`00:57.33`	`rm_you`	`brb`
`00:57.37`	`Evaprototype`	`cool`
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`01:14.47`	`benh`	`hrm`
`01:15.17`	`Manix`	`hallo`
`01:15.28`	`Evaprototype`	`hi`
`01:15.40`	`benh`	`somebody has any experience with the iGo bluetooth keyboard ?`
`01:15.40`	`benh`	`I can't seem to manage to pair mine`
`01:16.10`	`Evaprototype`	`sorry i am new to the maemo distro and nokia products`
`01:16.12`	`benh`	`ah found`
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`01:17.35`	`Evaprototype`	`has anyone had bad experiences running remote x programs on the n800 or such. I found that the keyboard will not popup for text entry`
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`01:29.11`	`Navi`	`It won't :P`
`01:29.20`	`Navi`	`It wasn't designed to`
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`01:34.08`	`Evaprototype`	`nice answer. nice and clean`
`01:34.14`	`Evaprototype`	`thanks`
`01:34.37`	`Evaprototype`	`however it is still useful how it is`
`01:35.23`	`Evaprototype`	`it is kind of nice running firefox on my server and viewing it on the n800`
`01:35.33`	`rm_you`	`i use vncviewer for that`
`01:38.27`	`Evaprototype`	`i will have to try that. however i like the program centric view when running it over x.`
`01:41.41`	`Evaprototype`	`i had a funny problem with my n800 recently. I went on a trip for a few weeks and then had lots of school and had not logged in as root on my nokia for a few months but then i wanted to fool around a little and had forgot the root password.`
`01:44.16`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`01:44.24`	`Evaprototype`	`and because i set the password in a hurry before the trip i didnt know that the password was.`
`01:44.35`	`Evaprototype`	`how would you deal with that`
`01:44.47`	`rm_you`	`hrm`
`01:44.56`	`rm_you`	`did you ever set up gainroot?`
`01:45.10`	`rm_you`	`install the gainroot package in redpill mode in the application manager`
`01:45.19`	`rm_you`	`IE, download the deb and double click it / just run it`
`01:45.20`	`Evaprototype`	`it doesnt show up`
`01:45.37`	`rm_you`	`then you can do "sudo gainroot" in a terminal and change the password manually`
`01:45.42`	`rm_you`	`err`
`01:45.56`	`Evaprototype`	`oh yes i had that but it wont work over the top`
`01:45.56`	`rm_you`	`sorry, i think the package you want is "becomeroot"`
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`01:46.11`	`Evaprototype`	`it asks for the root password`
`01:46.15`	`rm_you`	`erm`
`01:46.18`	`rm_you`	`it shouldn't`
`01:46.23`	`rm_you`	`once you install becomeroot`
`01:46.35`	`rm_you`	`it should just let you right in`
`01:46.41`	`Evaprototype`	`well sorry for the help i did fix it by having my computer crack the password`
`01:47.16`	`Evaprototype`	`i was just mainly asking for an opinion`
`01:47.25`	`Evaprototype`	`it took weeks to crack it`
`01:47.39`	`rm_you`	`lol`
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`01:47.48`	`Evaprototype`	`luckly i set a easy password for the cracker`
`01:48.15`	`rm_you`	`well, installing becomeroot REALLY should fix the problem`
`01:48.25`	`Evaprototype`	`well i believe i did that or tried that. owell`
`01:48.32`	`Evaprototype`	`i will try it`
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`02:00.42`	`Evaprototype`	`rm_you: thanks`
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`02:06.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`rm_you, have you divined any magical Hildon Methods for Great Success yet?`
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`02:09.43`	`rm_you`	`not yet :/`
`02:09.55`	`rm_you`	`build box is still in a shipping crate somewhere in the midwest of USA`
`02:09.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Why are you so lazy? :P`
`02:10.08`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`02:10.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's no excuse!`
`02:10.17`	`rm_you`	`i've been working on what i can while all i have is my tablet`
`02:10.21`	`rm_you`	`wanna set me up a buildbox? :P`
`02:10.23`	`rm_you`	`i'll use it :P`
`02:10.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`No x86 machines handy. . . .`
`02:10.39`	`rm_you`	`>_>`
`02:10.47`	`rm_you`	`that's what you get for being a Mac freak, lol`
`02:10.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Meh, I'm probably better off. ;)`
`02:11.01`	`rm_you`	`glares askance at GeneralAntilles`
`02:11.07`	`rm_you`	`pffft`
`02:11.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`This way I have an excuse for dumping everything on other people.`
`02:11.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Like you.`
`02:11.19`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`02:11.33`	`rm_you`	`I dislike Windows a whole hell of a lot, but I dislike Mac possibly more`
`02:11.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I can't imagine why`
`02:11.52`	`rm_you`	`not because of the software, but because I think Steve Jobs gets his rocks off by making his customers go through shit`
`02:11.53`	`beford`	`I haven't touched a mac in my whole life`
`02:11.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It'll be at least mildly familiar to most Linux users.`
`02:12.16`	`rm_you`	`I just really hate Steve Jobs`
`02:12.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If anything, Steve has made things better for me.`
`02:12.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, minus the Newton.`
`02:12.34`	`rm_you`	`it seems like he takes every opportunity to see how much shit his customers will put up with`
`02:12.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`lol`
`02:13.19`	`rm_you`	`you have to buy insert official Apple accessory here to do almost anything`
`02:13.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maybe for the mobile stuff`
`02:13.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but the mobile stuff is shit`
`02:13.46`	`rm_you`	`hell, they managed to make it so non-apple headphones won't plug in to what SHOULD be a standard 3.5mm jack >_<`
`02:13.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Looking at my G5, only one "accessory" is Apple`
`02:13.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and that's my old 20" ASD`
`02:14.50`	`rm_you`	`They're like "Oh, I suppose we could make it so people could plug any old pair of headphones into this iPhone... Oh! WAIT! If we just inset the plug a tiny bit, it will make people have to buy our crappy headphones instead! Win? Win!"`
`02:15.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Meh, like I said, the mobile stuff sucks.`
`02:16.14`	`rm_you`	`You can't sit for a week after buying an apple product because you're sore from having Steve Jobs' &@$@ so far up your ass...`
`02:16.41`	`Navi`	`hah`
`02:16.42`	`rm_you`	`I'll stop ranting now, with the final comment: Apple can shove its proprietary cabling up its @&$.`
`02:17.05`	`rm_you`	`Now, back to having fun on my linux device :P`
`02:17.55`	`Navi`	`I got my friend to love Macs and I'm having a hard time getting him to stop loving iPods`
`02:18.04`	`rm_you`	`<_<`
`02:18.10`	`rm_you`	`Navi: Mac owner?`
`02:18.14`	`Navi`	`No :P`
`02:18.17`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`02:18.28`	`rm_you`	`was going to ask if you sat on a donut pillow :P`
`02:18.58`	`Navi`	`I told him to get a Mac 'cuz he sucks at choosing porn sources`
`02:19.04`	`rm_you`	`LOL`
`02:19.06`	`Navi`	`Gets a virus every other week`
`02:19.07`	`rm_you`	`get linux for that :P`
`02:19.14`	`rm_you`	`apt-get install pornview`
`02:19.14`	`rm_you`	`:P`
`02:19.19`	`beford`	`porn-get`
`02:19.19`	`Navi`	`:/`
`02:19.27`	`rm_you`	`notes that pornview is actually a damn good image thumbnail viewer`
`02:19.33`	`rm_you`	`I use it for reading comics :P`
`02:19.50`	`rm_you`	`it just has a hilariously awesome name`
`02:20.04`	`Navi`	`lol`
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`02:24.21`	`mysc`	`what are the devices on an n800? is mmc1 (internal or external) and what is /dev/mmcblk0`
`02:24.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mmc1 is external`
`02:25.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mmcblk0 is internal`
`02:25.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The mmc1/2 thing is a throwback to the 770.`
`02:25.44`	`mysc`	`okay, so /dev/mmcblk0=internal /dev/mmcblk1=external?`
`02:26.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Right`
`02:26.27`	`mysc`	`how will they look if i load the nit as a usb device on my linux box?`
`02:26.40`	`mysc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:27.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Haven't a clue`
`02:27.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 Mmm . . . that alone makes Diablo's Xterm much more pleasant.`
`02:28.07`	`mysc`	`ok. do you know if fanoush's initfs works on 51-3? his website only lists up to 50-2`
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`02:28.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`51-3 and 50-2 are the same except for NOLO`
`02:28.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`So, yes.`
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`02:28.51`	`mysc`	`OK. can i use nokia's flasher-3.0 to flash his image like i did for the os2008 .bin?`
`02:29.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You could`
`02:29.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But the way it's done is usually on the device.`
`02:29.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`run the initfs_flash tool`
`02:30.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`it generates an initfs based on your choosen option`
`02:30.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and flashes it from the device.`
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`02:31.14`	`mysc`	`ok. now. i have a 2gb internal and a 4gb external. my idea is to clone the os to the internal and to put debian on the ext. should i just make 2gb and 4gb ext2(ext3) partitions? or do i need to make any swap space, any random vfat parts?`
`02:31.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'd add a vfat, makes life easier.`
`02:31.59`	`mysc`	`how so?`
`02:32.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Swap in OS2008`
`02:32.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`other reasons`
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`02:32.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'd do 512MB OS2008 + 1GB Debian + rest FAT on Internal`
`02:32.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and just leave the External for mass storage`
`02:33.49`	`mysc`	`hrmmm, interesting. i wouldn't have thought that would be enough. i have no idea as os08 is compressed now`
`02:34.35`	`mysc`	`my current system (barebones) reports 151 out of 256mb used`
`02:34.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`~45MB of Documents and crap.`
`02:35.23`	`Navi`	`whee`
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`02:48.18`	`beford`	`I read somewhere that flashing a nit on windows was more stable than doing it on linux, how accurate is that? (i timed out, dunno if somebody answered me)`
`02:48.56`	`Navi`	`I've never had a problem.`
`02:49.08`	`Navi`	`6 problem-free flashes`
`02:50.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`beford, I'm going to hazard a guess and say there's no difference.`
`02:50.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maybe "EASIER" but definitely not more stable.`
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`02:50.57`	`rm_you`	`sup johnx`
`02:51.02`	`johnx`	`hey`
`02:51.13`	`Navi`	`Already awake?`
`02:51.15`	`rm_you`	`johnx: so apparently I made mplayer worse on my system somehow`
`02:51.23`	`johnx`	`rm_you, congratulations!`
`02:51.24`	`beford`	`I see, thanks.`
`02:51.25`	`Navi`	`oh, right.`
`02:51.48`	`johnx`	`Navi, yeah. Have already been up long enough to switch to my backup internet connection >_>`
`02:52.01`	`Navi`	`\o/`
`02:52.12`	`rm_you`	`johnx: don't know how... i was just working on launcher script for it, and then during testing it just started crashing... removed the script, still crashed... had to do some shit with dbus-uuidgen and now it lags to hell <_<`
`02:52.33`	`rm_you`	`johnx: the one you're paying for? >_>`
`02:52.40`	`rm_you`	`johnx: apartment internet sucking again?`
`02:52.52`	`johnx`	`the one that I might have forgotten to pay for -_-`
`02:52.56`	`Navi`	`hah`
`02:52.57`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`02:53.18`	`johnx`	`soooo, back to the free one \o/`
`02:54.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hrm, should this: "About Adobe Flash Player 9..." contextual menu item treated as unrequested pop-up be in User interface or Plug-ins under Browser?`
`02:55.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`s/pop-up/pop-up"/`
`02:56.18`	`unixSnob`	`wonders if connecting the n800 to a 500mA charger is living dangerously`
`02:56.20`	`beford`	`well, it opens a new window with location=adobe.com flash info`
`02:56.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`unixSnob, no, just living with slow charging.`
`02:57.42`	`unixSnob`	`Even if it's being used simultaneously?`
`02:58.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I've got a 380mA car charger that works fine`
`02:58.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If it needs more power, it gets it from the battery`
`02:58.30`	`unixSnob`	`cool`
`02:58.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`it does that with the bundled 890mA wallwart, too.`
`02:59.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But less power means significantly slower rapid charging.`
`02:59.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`OK, everybody here sucks except for beford.`
`02:59.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`:P`
`02:59.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm sticking it in Plug-ins`
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`03:01.20`	`mysc`	`GA which ttype code for the fat? i'll use 82 for ext2 but not sure on the vfat`
`03:01.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`fails at Linux filesystems.`
`03:02.21`	`mysc`	`hrmm`
`03:03.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`he first one is VFAT (that's what number 6 means)`
`03:03.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`6?`
`03:03.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card/`
`03:06.00`	`mysc`	`6 is fat16, that might work`
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`03:56.33`	`mysc`	`hrmm, linux won't partition the sd card when n800 is plugged in via usb`
`03:57.38`	`mysc`	`i was using the internal slot, is there a protection in place from allowing partitioning over usb?`
`03:58.42`	`beford`	`maybe if you enabled the virtual memory, os2008 is using a file on the current partition as swap`
`04:02.36`	`beford`	`does nokia 770 support os2008?`
`04:02.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-a5ee6b3cdb0011dc8afbe1ed42d754965496`
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`04:09.09`	`ravious`	`Does anyone know how i might go about setting mplayer as my default video player vs the one preinstalled? I've tried to search but i've not been able to find anything about it. Anyone have any advice?`
`04:09.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194`
`04:10.16`	`ravious`	`ty :)`
`04:10.42`	`beford`	`thanks GeneralAntilles.`
`04:14.48`	`mysc`	`well, can't partition from linux. neither int or ext works`
`04:16.03`	`mysc`	`i guess i will have to use sfdisk from the nit`
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`04:17.07`	`soman`	`Hi.... what s the copy right license for Nokia_N810.avi`
`04:17.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Probably "Copyright Nokia, Inc."`
`04:17.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Why?`
`04:17.32`	`soman`	`is that under creative commons share-alike attribution license`
`04:17.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Highly unlikely`
`04:17.48`	`soman`	`ok`
`04:18.04`	`soman`	`that video cant be used for commercial purpose right`
`04:18.07`	`soman`	`???`
`04:18.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not unless you get permission from Nokia. . . .`
`04:18.34`	`soman`	`ok...`
`04:19.31`	`soman`	`where from i can get free videos that i can use for my commercial purpose`
`04:20.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What do you need videos for?`
`04:20.48`	`ds3`	`paid and by a license`
`04:20.52`	`ds3`	`pay`
`04:21.49`	`ds3`	`or produce your own`
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`05:12.53`	`ravious`	`Im trying to flash my 770 with the latest HE2007. But the linux flash utility comes back with Version of 'sw-release': <no version> then ends..`
`05:13.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What command are you using?`
`05:14.18`	`ravious`	`./flasher2 SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R`
`05:14.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Missing something? :P`
`05:14.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`./flasher2 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R`
`05:14.49`	`mysc`	`i installed fanoush's initfs but only partition 2 on the int card is viewable, part 3 is not there (that's for the debian)`
`05:15.03`	`ravious`	`ah`
`05:15.06`	`ravious`	`ty again ;)`
`05:15.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mysc, the bootmenu isn't auto-generated.`
`05:15.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`ravious, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2669`
`05:15.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Vote on that bug.`
`05:16.09`	`mysc`	`GA, the wiki said "./initfs_flash...just follow instructions"`
`05:16.14`	`mysc`	`where do i edit the bootmenu?`
`05:16.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Check the readme for details, but it's the bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example`
`05:16.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`edit it to your liking, rename it to bootmenu.conf, re-run the initfs_flash`
`05:17.01`	`mysc`	`aha...thanks.`
`05:17.54`	`rm_you`	`johnx: so, yeah... only annoyance so far is that i THOUGHT this came with shell access, but apparently not?`
`05:18.03`	`rm_you`	`i really should double check, i may just be doing it wrong`
`05:18.39`	`beford`	`how long does it takes to flash a tablet?`
`05:18.50`	`beford`	`s/takes/take/`
`05:18.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`30 second or so`
`05:18.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`more on USB 1.1`
`05:19.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`More on a 770 than an N8x0`
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`05:19.59`	`beford`	`that's pretty fast`
`05:20.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It goes at something like 4MB/sec`
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`05:26.41`	`mysc`	`perfect, now to get debian on it...`
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`05:37.10`	`n800n`	`anyone have any good pdf to read?`
`05:37.26`	`n800n`	`asimov or clark or...`
`05:37.45`	`n800n`	`need kill time on n800/plane`
`05:37.50`	`GAN800`	`pdf ebooks are gross. :P`
`05:38.01`	`n800n`	`txt too`
`05:38.04`	`n800n`	`rtf`
`05:38.07`	`n800n`	`pdb`
`05:38.27`	`oilinki`	`n800n: why not to download podcast and listen something?`
`05:38.28`	`ravious`	`Project Gutenberg is your friend ;)`
`05:38.28`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, W00t, Got your bootmenu coloured mod done to the old diablo initfs :). Looks great.`
`05:38.31`	`n800n`	`whatever had the least cooties`
`05:38.45`	`n800n`	`hmm`
`05:39.20`	`ravious`	`ew netsplit`
`05:39.20`	`GAN800`	`Baen has a lot of free stuff on their website.`
`05:39.49`	`n800n`	`ty, checking`
`05:39.59`	`GAN800`	`Go download a couple episodes of South Park or something, too.`
`05:40.14`	`n800n`	`i'll fall asleep`
`05:40.37`	`n800n`	`txt will take less power too`
`05:40.42`	`ravious`	`you mean, backup a couple episodes from the dvd that you purchased ;)`
`05:40.52`	`n800n`	`except for audio i guess`
`05:41.00`	`oilinki`	`I love the podcasts. I spend couple of weeks backpacking in cambodia and eastern-thailand.. podcasts are real friends on the 10 hour bus journeys :)`
`05:41.02`	`qwerty12`	`w00t, my RS premium's limit has gone down :)`
`05:41.32`	`n800n`	`i'm in honduras going back home`
`05:41.39`	`n800n`	`to chicago`
`05:41.55`	`n800n`	`and... i love my tablet`
`05:42.13`	`GAN800`	`This American Life has a fantatsic podcast`
`05:42.13`	`n800n`	`i like reading better tho`
`05:42.16`	`oilinki`	`n800n: isla utila is a great place to relax and do some diving :)`
`05:42.56`	`oilinki`	`friday science podcast and the naked scientists are my favorites`
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`05:43.57`	`oilinki`	`but hey. which os is recommended for 770? 2006,2007 or 2008?`
`05:44.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Depends`
`05:44.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`There's no definitive answer`
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`05:44.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`My recommendation is to try all three and see which works best for you.`
`05:44.31`	`qwerty12`	`770. Life's mystery.`
`05:44.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Personally, I use OS2008HE on both of mine and am very happy with it.`
`05:44.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Morning, konttori.`
`05:44.47`	`konttori`	`morning`
`05:44.51`	`konttori`	`goes to work`
`05:46.06`	`oilinki`	`I had some problems with OS2008HE. for example I could not change the date preferences or set and alarm due lack of memory.`
`05:46.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Did you enable virtual memory?`
`05:46.21`	`oilinki`	`but I could try to reflash it again and see wether if it works`
`05:46.41`	`oilinki`	`yes. I did enable it after the first problems. still it did not work`
`05:47.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Virtual memory is an absolute necessity with OS2008HE`
`05:49.34`	`oilinki`	`I put just 24MB, might need some more. my memory card was only 64.`
`05:50.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, that's definitely not enough. . . .`
`05:50.14`	`n800n`	`ew.`
`05:50.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`n800n, http://e2ma.net/go/948937814/838558/30376562/goto:http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/tor.com/ScalziOMWMobi/Scalzi,%20John%20-%20Old%20Mans%20War.prc`
`05:50.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Tor freebie`
`05:50.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Old Man's War`
`05:51.03`	`qwerty12`	`Go to #bookz for the godfather`
`05:51.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`oilinki, 64MB RAM + 64MB virtual memory is only 128MB, which is the same amount of RAM the N8x0 has.`
`05:51.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`So 24MB definitely doesn't cut it.`
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`05:52.31`	`oilinki`	`GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks for the info. I'll try to find and bigger memorycard and put some more virtual memory. do you have recommendation how much or is it just as much as possible?`
`05:52.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`As much as possible.`
`05:52.49`	`n800n`	`ty`
`05:52.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It may also be worthwhile to increase the swapiness a touch.`
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`05:53.11`	`ravious`	`Whats the max on the he07 on a 770 now?`
`05:53.18`	`ravious`	`2gb?`
`05:53.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`2GB since 2006.`
`05:53.29`	`ravious`	`::nods::`
`05:53.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They patched it around the fall.`
`05:54.08`	`n800n`	`fbreader opens prc yes?`
`05:54.17`	`qwerty12`	`un drm yes`
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`05:56.50`	`n800n`	`thanks i think i have to board`
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`05:56.59`	`RST38h`	`qwerty`
`05:57.00`	`RST38h`	`GA`
`05:57.06`	`RST38h`	`good morning gentlemen`
`05:57.14`	`qwerty12`	`Morning RST38h :)`
`05:57.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Howdy, RST38h.`
`05:57.24`	`ravious`	`any good sip clients that anyone knows about other than giz/skp?`
`05:57.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The built-in one.`
`05:57.45`	`ravious`	`gtalk?`
`05:58.51`	`qwerty12`	`Woah. A big split :/`
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`06:00.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`rtcomm, ravious.`
`06:00.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`gtalk, sip, jabber`
`06:04.56`	`Navi`	`:\|`
`06:06.37`	`RST38h`	`Nave: You wanted overlapping fire buttons?`
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`06:10.39`	`Proteous`	`OVERLAPPING FIRE BUTTONS FOR EXTRA POWAAAA`
`06:10.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ha, Navi's a Nave!`
`06:10.53`	`Proteous`	`nom nom nom nom`
`06:10.54`	`qwerty12`	`sighs. initfs script is the same in the new initfs`
`06:11.02`	`qwerty12`	`he can be anything and we still wont care :p`
`06:11.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Stupid Navi`
`06:11.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Relevancy is for people who don't suck.`
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`06:13.04`	`qwerty12`	`disq, you around?`
`06:16.07`	`roope`	`akimbo tanks`
`06:16.31`	`qwerty12`	`I still remember someone from .cz selling a tank on ebay.`
`06:16.49`	`czr`	`it wasn't me`
`06:17.07`	`qwerty12`	`You kept yours?`
`06:17.13`	`czr`	`indeed`
`06:17.15`	`roope`	`http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE amazon still sells. The customer reviews are hilarious.`
`06:17.28`	`qwerty12`	`czr, Mind if I borrow the keys sometime?`
`06:17.36`	`czr`	`qwerty12, yes I do :-)`
`06:17.46`	`qwerty12`	`czr :(`
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`06:23.03`	`mysc`	`well, i installed debian beta3...a few issues a) that top left icon is scary "rotate screen" does some funky stuff`
`06:23.17`	`qwerty12`	`Install rotation kernel.`
`06:23.24`	`qwerty12`	`if its an issue for you :/`
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`06:23.37`	`mysc`	`b) how do i start up wireless? do i need to set up wpa_supplicant?`
`06:23.50`	`qwerty12`	`Check the wiki page, its all on there.`
`06:24.04`	`qwerty12`	`Your 2nd question for sure.`
`06:24.57`	`mysc`	`ok, will do. also, the buttons don't work. when the rotate thing went whack on me i had to remove the battery to reboot`
`06:25.17`	`mysc`	`on/off switch is just for show :)`
`06:25.31`	`qwerty12`	`Hehe, I'm always removing my battery :)`
`06:25.43`	`qwerty12`	`More since I disabled lifeguard :/`
`06:26.07`	`Navi`	`RST38h, oh right, yeah.`
`06:26.46`	`RST38h`	`This "reseller" offers a wide selection of products: http://www.amazon.com/s/103-1897636-1001400?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=misc&field-keywords=NAO%20Design`
`06:26.49`	`RST38h`	`(not just tank)`
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`06:29.07`	`mysc`	`heh. okay, it's still beta :)`
`06:29.13`	`qwerty12`	`stupid qwerty. He put utelnetd in bin rather than sbin.`
`06:29.26`	`mysc`	`do the mojo folks have a similar tarball for their ubuntu project?`
`06:29.27`	`Navi`	`Ugh`
`06:29.33`	`Navi`	`I hate that qwerty12 guy`
`06:29.46`	`disq`	`qwerty12: yep`
`06:29.47`	`qwerty12`	`qwerty12 seems to hate this next Navi guy too`
`06:29.55`	`Navi`	`Hmm`
`06:29.58`	`qwerty12`	`disq, I have latest initfs ripped if you want to try it.`
`06:30.02`	`Navi`	`Screw him`
`06:30.14`	`disq`	`qwerty12: sure`
`06:30.23`	`disq`	`i'd like to in fact`
`06:30.27`	`qwerty12`	`Your DCC works? :/`
`06:30.33`	`disq`	`ah, same question :)`
`06:30.41`	`qwerty12`	`Mine seems to :)`
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`06:34.39`	`KotCzarny`	`yawn`
`06:34.41`	`beford`	`phpBB or SMF?`
`06:34.42`	`KotCzarny`	`morning`
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`06:35.49`	`qwerty12`	`IPB or vBulletin`
`06:35.51`	`qwerty12`	`mornin`
`06:36.12`	`beford`	`i haz no money`
`06:36.13`	`beford`	`:P`
`06:36.26`	`KotCzarny`	`goto work;`
`06:36.38`	`qwerty12`	`Hehe, I don't run a forum but I'd say phpBB. Looks less cheap and it can look good with extensions.`
`06:37.14`	`trickie_`	`http://fudforum.org/`
`06:37.18`	`trickie_`	`if you want a php one`
`06:37.20`	`trickie_`	`uise that`
`06:37.34`	`trickie_`	`written by one of the core php devs, and has some clue about security`
`06:37.48`	`trickie_`	`phpBB is a maintenance nightmare`
`06:38.35`	`qwerty12`	`Shoot down this crap kubrick server`
`06:39.19`	`Navi`	`It shows the name of the node you're connected to when it splits :P`
`06:39.28`	`qwerty12`	`vaht!`
`06:39.44`	`mysc`	`hah, i edited my /etc/network/interfaces and it hung before xfce started!@#$`
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`06:40.16`	`qwerty12`	`Boot into flash and plug in the usb cable :)`
`06:40.27`	`mysc`	`okay there goes...seems like it hangs on the dhcp stuff...`
`06:40.35`	`mysc`	`why would i plug in the usb cable?`
`06:40.49`	`qwerty12`	`Because then you can edit the interfaces off a linux comp`
`06:40.59`	`qwerty12`	`Ubuntu auto mounts my debian partition`
`06:41.48`	`mysc`	`so does slack. okay i guess i need to fiddle a lot with my wpa_supplicant. i have a hidden ssid which means i need to use AP_SCAN=2 and stuff...`
`06:41.56`	`mysc`	`this didn't do the trick :( no wifi`
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`06:45.20`	`Navi`	`Is it possible to use the claws-mail plugins with the maemo port?`
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`06:46.03`	`qwerty12`	`You may be able to, as long as they don't need arm recompilation. Not sure though.`
`06:46.19`	`Navi`	`Well, I knew that :P`
`06:51.53`	`qwerty12`	`is now running latest diablo initfs with bootmenu. Another 2 hours work :(`
`06:52.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:52.21`	`qwerty12`	`At least linuxrc script is same so I don't have to compare all over again :)`
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`06:52.31`	`qwerty12`	`That's probably the bit I hate most :/`
`06:52.37`	`KotCzarny`	`don't forget to make a backup`
`06:52.46`	`KotCzarny`	`and learn how to use diff/patch`
`06:52.47`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`06:53.08`	`qwerty12`	`I should do :/ but I have a lot of things I want to learn anyway.`
`06:53.11`	`rlinfati`	`qwerty12: diablo? where is for download?`
`06:53.11`	`KotCzarny`	`for a start diff -U3 oldfile newfile >differences`
`06:53.22`	`KotCzarny`	`that should save you comparing by hand`
`06:53.30`	`qwerty12`	`Cool :)`
`06:53.35`	`qwerty12`	`rlinfati, leaked beta.`
`06:53.39`	`qwerty12`	`find the password :/`
`06:54.18`	`qwerty12`	`Because I am vain, I have to edit the /etc/initfs_version again`
`06:54.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What's new and exciting with the Diablo initfs and kernel, anyway?`
`06:54.49`	`qwerty12`	`Kernel enables ipv6 from what I know and the initfs has ipv6 modules and some wimax stuff in it`
`06:54.53`	`qwerty12`	`apart from that :/`
`06:54.56`	`qwerty12`	`not much`
`06:54.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ah, right, WiMAX`
`06:55.16`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: you can probably copy ipv6 modules`
`06:55.17`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:55.24`	`qwerty12`	`But I run it for completeness and now that I spent the time adding in bootmenu by hand, I have no reason to use a chinook initfs`
`06:55.30`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, I posted them up on ITT :)`
`06:55.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`06:56.14`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty, can you install wireless-tools and check if iwconfig works?`
`06:56.21`	`KotCzarny`	`(with diablo kernel)`
`06:56.42`	`qwerty12`	`I'm not sure if I am using diablo kernel and I've only got 5 mins left :/`
`06:56.48`	`KotCzarny`	`because i saw libiw in initfs and was wondering if they added support for it`
`06:56.58`	`KotCzarny`	`then check after school`
`06:56.59`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:57.04`	`qwerty12`	`Ok, will do :)`
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`06:58.11`	`qwerty12`	`There is /lib/libiw.so.29 in diablo rootfs`
`06:58.17`	`KotCzarny`	`i know`
`06:58.23`	`KotCzarny`	`but no iwconfig`
`06:58.33`	`KotCzarny`	`so you have to install it yourself`
`06:58.41`	`qwerty12`	`Maybe an wimax tool somewhere uses it :/`
`06:58.50`	`KotCzarny`	`i just wonder if diablo kernel has support for it`
`06:58.51`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`06:58.54`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe`
`06:58.55`	`qwerty12`	`I assume I would compile .29?`
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`06:59.08`	`KotCzarny`	`any will do, i guess`
`06:59.13`	`qwerty12`	`fair enough`
`06:59.17`	`rm_you`	`how did they choose the name Diablo, I wonder`
`06:59.24`	`KotCzarny`	`from my quick check nothing depends on it in initfs`
`06:59.30`	`rm_you`	`i mean... marketing-wise, tieing your product in with the lord of darkness?`
`06:59.35`	`rm_you`	`doesn't seem like a smart move`
`06:59.36`	`KotCzarny`	`rm_you, the next name is even worse`
`06:59.39`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`06:59.57`	`qwerty12`	`It's cute`
`06:59.59`	`qwerty12`	`Joke :p`
`07:00.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`rm_you, it's all winds.`
`07:00.03`	`KotCzarny`	`elephanta`
`07:00.04`	`rm_you`	`lol?`
`07:00.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:00.15`	`KotCzarny`	`and diablo+2 fremantle`
`07:00.25`	`rm_you`	`wait, what?`
`07:00.30`	`rm_you`	`elephant and fremantle?`
`07:00.30`	`Navi`	`We all know everyone at Nokia is evil`
`07:00.38`	`Navi`	`there's no need to dance around it`
`07:00.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`slaps rm_you with a clue.`
`07:01.00`	`rm_you`	`<_<`
`07:01.05`	`rm_you`	`i've been... busy? :P`
`07:01.13`	`rm_you`	`though I did work a lot on a2dp stuff today`
`07:01.19`	`rm_you`	`... and manage to make mplayer work WORSE`
`07:01.20`	`rm_you`	`damnit`
`07:01.29`	`KotCzarny`	`now that's an achievement`
`07:01.30`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`07:01.41`	`KotCzarny`	`though usually it's enough to use -vo x11`
`07:01.51`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`07:01.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Marketing wise it's "OS2008 Service Update" or something.`
`07:01.58`	`czr`	`he used the ascii output with gtk-term`
`07:02.13`	`KotCzarny`	`ascii output could be fast`
`07:02.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:02.22`	`czr`	`KotCzarny, not with a buggy and slow term :-)`
`07:02.27`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:02.39`	`KotCzarny`	`fullscreen and with a 4px font?`
`07:02.39`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`07:02.40`	`rm_you`	`OH`
`07:02.47`	`czr`	`KotCzarny, obviously :-)`
`07:02.48`	`rm_you`	`maybe it's maemo-hackers xterm that made it do that`
`07:02.57`	`KotCzarny`	`ascii-quake ftw!`
`07:03.02`	`rm_you`	`it used to work fine when i played videos in mplayer from xterm...`
`07:03.03`	`KotCzarny`	`(over telnet)`
`07:03.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:03.15`	`rm_you`	`now it is laggy as shit from xterm, but works from the GUI`
`07:03.27`	`rm_you`	`only thing i can think of that changed is that i installed maemo-hackers xterm`
`07:03.36`	`czr`	`prefers laggy shit to too quick shit`
`07:03.44`	`czr`	`but hey, that's just me..`
`07:03.54`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`07:04.00`	`KotCzarny`	`hrm`
`07:04.05`	`KotCzarny`	`depends on consistency`
`07:04.05`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`07:04.16`	`czr`	`KotCzarny, that too.`
`07:04.33`	`czr`	`but maybe it's time I went to town to get some stuff for the trip (like currency)`
`07:04.48`	`rm_you`	`is still jealous of people going to linuxtag`
`07:06.04`	`czr`	`hmm. I'm not going there. unless this year they have it in Tokyo`
`07:06.14`	`czr`	`that'd be surprising.`
`07:06.36`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`07:06.41`	`rm_you`	`ah, you're heading over that way, eh?`
`07:06.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm ready for pupnik to dump us hot HD feeds with his new camera. :P`
`07:06.58`	`rm_you`	`special occasion? :P`
`07:07.09`	`rm_you`	`GeneralAntilles: lol`
`07:07.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Need to set up a live stream.`
`07:07.41`	`rm_you`	`that would rock so hard :P`
`07:07.44`	`czr`	`rm_you, yes. holiholiholiday`
`07:08.02`	`czr`	`GeneralAntilles, linuxtag has harley davidson as sponsor this year?`
`07:08.04`	`rm_you`	`czr: cool. I had a holiday in Yokohama last august :P`
`07:08.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Might be workable with ustream or something if the facilities have enough bandwidth.`
`07:08.16`	`rm_you`	`Japan is fun. go there much?`
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`07:08.27`	`czr`	`rm_you, I've never been to .jp. meant to for ages, mut never really materialized`
`07:08.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`high def, czr`
`07:08.38`	`czr`	`GeneralAntilles, :-)`
`07:08.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Joke fail. :P`
`07:08.44`	`czr`	`anyhow, lateroo ->`
`07:08.45`	`rm_you`	`czr: the bakeries are AMAZING! go to the bakeries!`
`07:08.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Bye`
`07:08.48`	`czr`	`GeneralAntilles, indeed :-)`
`07:09.00`	`czr`	`I will rm_you`
`07:09.02`	`rm_you`	`czr: also, check out Yodobashi Camera :P`
`07:09.16`	`czr`	`and then will found out that they suck :-)`
`07:09.17`	`rm_you`	`not that you'd want to buy much there, as it's mostly ridiculously overpriced`
`07:09.18`	`rm_you`	`but still`
`07:09.22`	`rm_you`	`pfft`
`07:09.29`	`rm_you`	`Japanese bakeries are amazing`
`07:09.32`	`mysc`	`mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /opt failed <-- any ideas?`
`07:09.34`	`czr`	`yeah, I'm just going to hang around and see what life provides me with..`
`07:09.36`	`czr`	`->`
`07:09.36`	`mysc`	`ima trying to clone my os`
`07:09.37`	`rm_you`	`though I only have US bakeries to compare to`
`07:09.45`	`czr`	`us bakeries on average suck :-)`
`07:09.54`	`rm_you`	`yeah :(`
`07:10.11`	`rm_you`	`and go to Akihabara a lot :P`
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`07:10.32`	`rm_you`	`there's an alleyway right outside the main station in Akihabara that is basically just electronic component vendors`
`07:10.35`	`rm_you`	`it's pretty awesome`
`07:11.15`	`rm_you`	`wants to go back to Japan`
`07:12.48`	`rm_you`	`also, don't wait around... buy a Suica or PASMO train pass as soon as you get there... there really isn't a reason not to >_> can use it to pay on pretty much any train or bus, and it makes things much easier, as you don't have to count out money, you just swipe the RFID card`
`07:13.07`	`rm_you`	`also, many convenience stores accept it too :P`
`07:13.47`	`KotCzarny`	`mysc: check dmesg`
`07:14.17`	`mysc`	`KC, yes, i needed to load a kernel module for ext2/3 reading :\|`
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`07:14.22`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:14.40`	`mysc`	`steep learning curve, but fun :)`
`07:14.55`	`KotCzarny`	`well`
`07:14.59`	`KotCzarny`	`it's just linux`
`07:15.18`	`mysc`	`yeah, that part is ok, the part which i am figuring out are the device names and stuff...`
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`07:15.32`	`EruditeHermit`	`hey GeneralAntilles are you around?`
`07:15.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mmm?`
`07:15.50`	`EruditeHermit`	`do you have an n800 with diablo running on it?`
`07:15.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yessir`
`07:16.00`	`EruditeHermit`	`does your camera flip work?`
`07:16.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Good question`
`07:16.17`	`EruditeHermit`	`does opening camera start internet talk application?`
`07:16.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes and yes`
`07:16.49`	`EruditeHermit`	`uh oh`
`07:16.55`	`EruditeHermit`	`mine doesn't work`
`07:17.02`	`EruditeHermit`	`is there an application that handles this?`
`07:17.09`	`EruditeHermit`	`or did I break my camera?`
`07:17.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I dunno`
`07:17.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It still gives you an image, right?`
`07:17.32`	`EruditeHermit`	`yes`
`07:17.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You can turn off the pop-up activation`
`07:17.40`	`EruditeHermit`	`yes but I want it on`
`07:17.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Dunno about flip, though.`
`07:17.47`	`EruditeHermit`	`and it is set to on in preferences`
`07:17.56`	`EruditeHermit`	`both used to work`
`07:18.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Reboot?`
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`07:19.27`	`EruditeHermit`	`hmm`
`07:20.46`	`yvan`	`[trying smthg]`
`07:21.36`	`EruditeHermit`	`GeneralAntilles: that didn't do it`
`07:21.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Dunno`
`07:21.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It seems unlikely that its a hardware issue`
`07:21.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but I dunno`
`07:22.04`	`EruditeHermit`	`I dropped it a few days ago`
`07:22.12`	`EruditeHermit`	`and the camera popped out`
`07:22.18`	`EruditeHermit`	`but I did that once before`
`07:22.20`	`EruditeHermit`	`and it still worked`
`07:22.33`	`EruditeHermit`	`I wonder if I broke something`
`07:23.09`	`yvan`	`hello - I didnt use IRC for ages, so Im not sure what's the etiquette. I'd like to know if I can run a script on my N810 by clicking a link on a local html page?`
`07:24.04`	`beford`	`probably no, unless microb supports mozilla's chrome stuff`
`07:24.28`	`yvan`	`chrome stuff.. never heard about that`
`07:25.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`yvan, the etiquette is: DATA (Don't Ask To Ask). ;)`
`07:26.26`	`yvan`	`ok ^^`
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`07:27.24`	`beford`	`javascript running as chrome is like running with some privileges`
`07:27.42`	`EruditeHermit`	`GeneralAntilles: so you don't think there is any hardware that could have broken?`
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`07:27.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It _could_ have, but I haven't heard of it happening.`
`07:28.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Got another install on a card or something you could boot into and test?`
`07:28.16`	`yvan`	`yeah im sorry, I meant run a linux script.. launch an application for example`
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`07:31.02`	`mysc`	`thanks to you folks i have os08 on my sd, have debian "working" on the other partition. :)`
`07:31.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That'll be $19.95`
`07:31.27`	`Navi`	`woo`
`07:31.51`	`mysc`	`heh`
`07:31.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Thank you! Come again.`
`07:32.56`	`Navi`	`total ripoff`
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`07:37.00`	`anidel`	`morning!`
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`07:37.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Something like that.`
`07:38.14`	`hrw`	`morning`
`07:38.23`	`hrw`	`I am evil`
`07:38.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`We know. ;)`
`07:38.35`	`hrw`	`at least according to Polish users of nokia tablets`
`07:39.15`	`anidel`	`what happened ?`
`07:39.34`	`hrw`	`forum post: how to boot from sd card. my answer: read maemo wiki. his answer: you are bad and ugly because you send me to wiki instead of writing answer`
`07:39.38`	`hrw`	`idiots`
`07:39.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ha`
`07:40.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`hrw, now you know how itT works for me. ;)`
`07:40.13`	`anidel`	`:) he's right.. :p`
`07:41.02`	`trickie_`	`why have people not heard of search engines, they are fairly easy to use :)`
`07:41.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`People are stupid`
`07:41.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and lazy`
`07:41.29`	`anidel`	`probably they don't even know what to search for in the first place`
`07:42.21`	`anidel`	`if People are stupid and I belong to 'People', does it mean I am stupid too ? :-p`
`07:42.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Do you know how to search?`
`07:42.52`	`trickie_`	`well if the forum post title is 'how to boot from sd card' then type that in google - see first result`
`07:43.03`	`anidel`	`GA: I do :)`
`07:43.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then no. ;)`
`07:43.11`	`trickie_`	`well if you add a 'maemo how to boot from sd card'`
`07:43.17`	`anidel`	`GA: oh ok :P`
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`07:44.22`	`anidel`	`trickie: yes of course it would work like that.. but I've encountered many people that don't really know what are they looking for, or what is the problem, so they can't write down the problem in words...it's a general huge impossible to solve problem with stupid people`
`07:44.43`	`anidel`	`guys going for a good coffee.. I'll be back soon (if you ever mind)`
`07:45.39`	`hrw`	`;)`
`07:45.44`	`hrw`	`brb`
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`08:09.22`	`anidel`	`back`
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`08:11.38`	`mysc`	`hrmmm, the vncviewer won't bring up the small kb since it channels mouse clocks to the remote...`
`08:12.27`	`mysc`	`ima unfamiliar with debian's boot process, is there an equivalent to an rc.local where i can put startup commands like iptable rulesets?`
`08:17.42`	`kaatis`	`i think there is rc.local , it's just empty by default`
`08:18.43`	`trickie_`	`anidel: i understand, but if a newb is going to attemtp something like 'boot from sdcard', which is not a normal 'consumer action' then they need to be prepared to do some research and not expect people to waste their time explaining something that is explained elsewhere several times`
`08:18.54`	`mysc`	`kaatis, i don't see it.`
`08:19.26`	`trickie_`	`anidel: and also to be respectful to people who put in effort for the the things they use`
`08:19.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`A lot of these people seem to come from the commercial world.`
`08:20.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and expect some sort of vendor support`
`08:20.24`	`mysc`	`does anyone know where i can plop a bash script that'll get executed on startup?`
`08:21.00`	`RST38h`	`GA: It just means that Nokia better create some forum under Maemo.org where certain community members can handle commercial support requests for money`
`08:21.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ha`
`08:21.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That'd be interesting.`
`08:21.39`	`anidel`	`trickie: sure! I was just kiddingly generalizing about people stupid and lazy enough to not know how to search.. I was not defending them`
`08:21.41`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: We are planning jobs.maemo.org too ;)`
`08:21.41`	`RST38h`	`GA: And keep a clear list of topics that are supported by outside people`
`08:21.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Funnier would be if they'd train their call centers to tell people how to "boot from SD" :P`
`08:21.51`	`Stskeeps`	`maemo bounties? :P`
`08:21.55`	`X-Fade`	`At least there has been talk about that..`
`08:21.58`	`trickie_`	`:)`
`08:22.04`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: Yea, but jobs.* implies a prolonged relation`
`08:22.21`	`anidel`	`GA :D`
`08:22.24`	`RST38h`	`GA: "Not officially supported by Nokia. Hang up."`
`08:22.24`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Well, that depends on what the job is ;)`
`08:22.36`	`X-Fade`	`"1 day introduction class" :)`
`08:22.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Pfft, not even that RST38h.`
`08:22.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`More like "wuuuuut?"`
`08:23.04`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: btw, even after pasting id_rsa.pub into that garage form, the dput still doesn't work =(`
`08:23.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Extras hates RST38h.`
`08:23.23`	`RST38h`	`And I tried it with and without EOLNs`
`08:23.52`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: We are debugging it now. It seems your key is multilined.. Has \n in it because you have pasted a terminal sizes paste..`
`08:23.57`	`RST38h`	`GA: no, it is just that current web interface for maintaining profiles is someshat braindamaged =(`
`08:24.11`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: I tried it with manually removed \ns`
`08:24.43`	`RST38h`	`Also, it is absolutely expected that the string will contain \n - just strip everythhing <' '`
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`08:25.50`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Yeah, that is what we do on the invitation page, but we probably forgot that index2 page :)`
`08:26.10`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: I will ping you when that page is updated.`
`08:26.39`	`anidel`	`wuut I still need to update my key ...`
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`08:27.32`	`mysc`	`that debian openssl foulup really caused some havok`
`08:27.39`	`anidel`	`yeah`
`08:27.59`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: Well, you don't have to update it for us. But your own systems can be in danger ;)`
`08:28.01`	`anidel`	`I couldn't believe they made that patch`
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`08:28.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Has somebody been lynched for it yet?`
`08:28.27`	`Navi`	`Debian devs patch all sorts of crap`
`08:28.31`	`mysc`	`the two lines are very similar, only one should have removed`
`08:28.33`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: The guy who did it, discussed it on the openssl lists..`
`08:28.35`	`anidel`	`X-Fade I use it only for Maemo Extras.. I use regular passwords (too lazy to set up them all)`
`08:28.53`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: Well good for you, in this case :)`
`08:29.41`	`mysc`	`the problem is that with diffie-helman and other key exhanges, the whole thing is fubar with a bad RNG`
`08:29.45`	`anidel`	`X-Fade: yup.. they funny thing is that after I've created the key for Maemo, I went on and created one for a machine in the lab I use often.. wanted to do that to skip entering the password... the funny part is that I generated it with a passphrase!!!`
`08:30.07`	`anidel`	`:D and they even more funny thing is that .. the passphrase is.. guess it.. the same as the old password :/`
`08:30.11`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: Doesn't matter for this bug.`
`08:30.12`	`mysc`	`so even if you don't use key auth, say, the communications link is sniffable because the encryption key was decipherable from the point of the exchange`
`08:30.22`	`anidel`	`X-Fade I know..`
`08:31.00`	`mysc`	`so, pretty much, if you used ssh on a debian system in the last few years or ssh'd to a debian box, the NSA knows what you did :)`
`08:31.01`	`anidel`	`mysc: with a bad RNG everything crypto related is fubar...`
`08:31.18`	`anidel`	`well...`
`08:31.47`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: thanks =)`
`08:32.14`	`RST38h`	`urgently needs to update ines to 3.6.1 in Extras (and probably other emulators as well, as the synchro has now been fixed)`
`08:32.19`	`anidel`	`anyway, back to some interesting stuff.. would you guys be happy to have and use a MailReader plugin for Canola2 ?`
`08:32.37`	`anidel`	`RST38h; i did upgrade iNES 10 mins ago.. way faster now :)`
`08:32.53`	`RST38h`	`anidel: yes, but this had to be done from the local copy`
`08:32.59`	`RST38h`	`at my web site`
`08:33.14`	`anidel`	`RST38h: of course.. MailReader... Modest downloads, Canola2 shows`
`08:33.23`	`anidel`	`uhm`
`08:33.25`	`RST38h`	`it should be faster - now skipping 65% frames and doing usleep()`
`08:33.45`	`anidel`	`rst38h oh so he explained the fix ?`
`08:34.00`	`RST38h`	`I would really prefer if Canola2 did ALL the mail exchange`
`08:34.10`	`RST38h`	`anidel: Who "he"?`
`08:34.25`	`anidel`	`rst38h: iNes author.. cant remember the name`
`08:35.07`	`anidel`	`rst38h: having canola2 handle everything would be too much (at least for me).. it'd be easier to have it scan the modest folders and just show the mails its own cool way`
`08:36.16`	`Navi`	`RST38h, that's a lot of frame skipping O_o`
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`08:37.42`	`kpanic`	`hi, I'm trying to cross-compile a program by ./configuring it with ./configure --host=i386-pc-linux-gnu --build=qemu-arm-cvs and by exporting SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 but when I do make I obtain in the process of building this message: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory`
`08:37.52`	`kpanic`	`I'm a little stuck`
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`08:48.32`	`anidel`	`talk to you later guys...`
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`08:54.29`	`AStorm`	`hello`
`08:56.05`	`AStorm`	`where is the HAL mount scriptÃ`
`08:56.07`	`AStorm`	`?`
`08:56.14`	`KotCzarny`	`mmc-mount ?`
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`09:02.40`	`disq`	`i think i want to restart work on kagu-gtk.`
`09:04.19`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: ok`
`09:04.27`	`AStorm`	`where is swap mounted?`
`09:04.48`	`RST38h`	`anidel: ines author is me.`
`09:04.50`	`disq`	`still don't like canola, it's fast and responsive but not i want in terms of functionality and development speed`
`09:04.53`	`mysc`	`hah, i just apt-upgraded the bootable debian rootfs, ima wondering what'll happen when i boot it :)`
`09:05.27`	`RST38h`	`Navi: 65% is just fine. You want notice anything, especially considering that N8x0 has a hardware limit of ~24fps on screen updates (or so I heard)`
`09:05.34`	`disq`	`or, development priorities rather`
`09:05.57`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: probably /media/mmc2/.swapfile ?`
`09:05.59`	`KotCzarny`	`or something`
`09:06.01`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: not location, the script`
`09:06.19`	`AStorm`	`need to mod it to use /`
`09:06.22`	`RST38h`	`s/want/won't/`
`09:06.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:06.43`	`KotCzarny`	`grep swapon /usr/sbin/*`
`09:06.44`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`09:06.52`	`KotCzarny`	`should find a script ;)`
`09:07.33`	`AStorm`	`nope`
`09:07.46`	`mysc`	`Astorm, what OS are you in?`
`09:07.46`	`KotCzarny`	`do the same for bin and / too`
`09:08.45`	`AStorm`	`it finds that in all bb tools...`
`09:09.10`	`KotCzarny`	`because they all link to busybox`
`09:09.16`	`KotCzarny`	`which has swapon applet`
`09:09.24`	`KotCzarny`	`just look for scripts`
`09:09.27`	`AStorm`	`and still no script`
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`09:10.21`	`KotCzarny`	`interestingly, using sbox over nfs on faster machine is faster than local`
`09:10.27`	`KotCzarny`	`magnia, local, 566mhz: 142s`
`09:10.30`	`KotCzarny`	`xx32, nfs, 600mhz: 136s`
`09:10.35`	`KotCzarny`	`x32, nfs, 1800mhz: 86s`
`09:10.37`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:11.02`	`AStorm`	`hmm, where is that script`
`09:11.02`	`KotCzarny`	`that's assuming 100mbit eth`
`09:13.17`	`trickie_`	`AStorm: checkout ke-recv`
`09:13.22`	`trickie_`	`they just released the source`
`09:13.29`	`trickie_`	`that does swap creation/activation`
`09:13.31`	`AStorm`	`trickie_: it's an executable`
`09:13.36`	`AStorm`	`hmmmmm...`
`09:13.45`	`AStorm`	`they're mad, right?`
`09:13.45`	`trickie_`	`the source is now open`
`09:13.55`	`AStorm`	`they even can't do swap correctly?`
`09:14.03`	`AStorm`	`~lart Nokia`
`09:14.03`	`infobot`	`does a little 'renice 20 -u Nokia'`
`09:15.33`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Can you please try to upload your key again? It should work now :)`
`09:16.55`	`AStorm`	`ok, it uses some variables :P`
`09:17.00`	`AStorm`	`time to reboot`
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`09:19.06`	`X-Fade`	`jpetersen: Congratulations on the new job. Or am I having the wrong one ;)`
`09:19.44`	`Mikho`	`Hello. I`
`09:20.17`	`jpetersen`	`X-Fade: thanks :-)`
`09:20.41`	`Mikho`	`'m trying to create a deb package of the program created by esbox new project wizard, and`
`09:20.46`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: I am away from home - will only be able to do it in ~8 hours =(`
`09:20.49`	`X-Fade`	`jpetersen: Are you going to blog about maemo more? And shall I add you to the planet? :)`
`09:21.04`	`Mikho`	`make deb fails with the error: found eof where expected first heading at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 156`
`09:21.15`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Do you want me to upload your packages for you?`
`09:21.26`	`Mikho`	`"dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is"`
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`09:21.30`	`Mikho`	`what is this?`
`09:21.46`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: I have got a .deb but not the .changes file`
`09:21.59`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Hmm ok.`
`09:22.01`	`RST38h`	`No big deal though, it waited for a few days, it will wait for another 8 hours`
`09:22.29`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Let me know if you run into problems.`
`09:22.42`	`RST38h`	`Thanks! =)`
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`09:25.23`	`dneary`	`hello`
`09:25.26`	`inz`	`Mikho, sounds like your debian/changelog is empty`
`09:25.37`	`Mikho`	`indeed it is`
`09:25.46`	`AStorm`	`heh, this mmc change bug is simple`
`09:26.06`	`Mikho`	`ah, that explains it. Thanks :)`
`09:26.13`	`AStorm`	`has to be properly worked around`
`09:26.27`	`AStorm`	`or it makes mounting external mmc impossible`
`09:26.30`	`Mikho`	`I guess the changelog is needed for the program to figure out the build version number`
`09:26.38`	`AStorm`	`as nodes in /dev are correct`
`09:27.03`	`AStorm`	`the initfs has to recreate them, or move them around`
`09:27.16`	`AStorm`	`not just change mount point`
`09:28.03`	`inz`	`Mikho, and source package name`
`09:28.28`	`inz`	`Mikho, erm, actually the source package name comes from control, dunno what it'll do if they don't match`
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`09:29.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dneary, OK, I want mediawiki now. What do I need to do to help make that happen faster? :D`
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`09:29.39`	`Mikho`	`all right, got forward to the next problem`
`09:30.00`	`hrw`	`hi dneary`
`09:30.07`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: We need a front page worthy of the name`
`09:30.09`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: I think that is music to dneary's ears. ;)`
`09:30.11`	`dneary`	`hi hrw`
`09:30.28`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: Do you want to propose a front page structure for the new mediawiki?`
`09:30.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Front page for the mediawiki? OK, I already started on that.`
`09:30.34`	`dneary`	`X-Fade: Indeed :)`
`09:30.44`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: From the front page, we can copy content over`
`09:30.49`	`dneary`	`I think that simple is best`
`09:31.21`	`dneary`	`Categories only on the front page, with some description of what's behind, I don't want any more than about 10 links and 100 words on there`
`09:31.26`	`dneary`	`Maybe 200`
`09:31.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I like the basic idea of the SlackWare wiki`
`09:32.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`^front page`
`09:32.13`	`dneary`	`Some categories that come to mind: "Hints & tips", "Development", "Community"`
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`09:32.49`	`hrw`	`dneary: what means community?`
`09:33.07`	`dneary`	`And one small link somewhere in the wiki to the "Attic", which will hold all of the old material which has been gathering dust, and which some enthusiastic young whippersnapper might one day take the time to clean up`
`09:33.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Also, namespaces, are we following this page? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Beta/Introduction`
`09:33.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm not in love with the whole Section/Article thing.`
`09:33.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Seems like that'd be something that would be better accomplished with Categories.`
`09:33.36`	`jitu3485`	`can anyone help me knowing how maps are beingdisplayed in maemo-mapper`
`09:33.54`	`jitu3485`	`and also how panning , zooming is done`
`09:33.55`	`dneary`	`hrw: I was thinking that all content related to community processes, all the "meta" informat-ion which is about maemo and maemo's relationship to Nokia, rather than about the software, would go there`
`09:33.57`	`hrw`	`GeneralAntilles: that was just idea from OZ wiki`
`09:34.06`	`dneary`	`That, and marketing material, stuff like that`
`09:34.11`	`hrw`	`ok`
`09:34.40`	`dneary`	`http://live.gnome.org/ is a nice example too, I think`
`09:35.45`	`Mikho`	`looks like the esbox wizard is not updated to the latest library names`
`09:35.59`	`Mikho`	`when was hildon-widgets combined/changed into hildon-1?`
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`09:36.45`	`X-Fade`	`Mikho: I think that was for chinook.`
`09:38.09`	`Mikho`	`I hope there was a good reason for that`
`09:39.55`	`Mikho`	`is hildon-lib-dev the same as libhildon1-dev?`
`09:40.23`	`X-Fade`	`Check the port to chinook documentation.`
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`09:41.50`	`Mikho`	`oh, there was a porting guide? thanks for the tip`
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`09:45.43`	`Mikho`	`gahh, the tutorial in maemo site just talks about some monkey game`
`09:46.13`	`kulve`	`there's several tutorials`
`09:46.19`	`X-Fade`	`Mikho: Here is a bit more info: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html`
`09:46.24`	`kulve`	`bora to chinook and gtk to hildon, etc`
`09:47.42`	`Mikho`	`X-Fade, thanks. That link contains relevant info`
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`09:52.03`	`Cptnodegard`	`yei one exam down!`
`09:52.19`	`Cptnodegard`	`now to format that partition of the brain`
`09:52.27`	`Cptnodegard`	`its slowing down the whole system`
`09:52.53`	`AStorm`	`Cptnodegard: don't format the wrong one`
`09:53.00`	`Mikho`	`yay, successfully created a deb out of the hellow world program`
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`09:53.41`	`Cptnodegard`	`i got so much useless crap in my head right now i feel like vista :/`
`09:54.00`	`AStorm`	`what kind of?`
`09:54.22`	`Cptnodegard`	`what kind of crap? what kind of vista?`
`09:54.32`	`red-zack`	`"ultimate"`
`09:54.34`	`red-zack`	`xD`
`09:54.40`	`Cptnodegard`	`ultimate crap`
`09:54.42`	`AStorm`	`Cptnodegard: of crap :P`
`09:54.56`	`Cptnodegard`	`organizational theory`
`09:55.14`	`AStorm`	`indeed, worthless`
`09:55.42`	`Cptnodegard`	`imagine a beginners guide to PHP where instead of explaining how to use the strings, they write bio's on who first used them :p`
`09:56.02`	`Cptnodegard`	`if they cut the crap the book would be 1/10 the size`
`09:58.32`	`RST38h`	`"Geeks like this stuff"`
`09:58.38`	`solmumaha`	`i could summarize it to one word: "don't"`
`09:59.12`	`RST38h`	`solmu: That is a summary of a chemical lab intro for freshmen`
`09:59.18`	`Cptnodegard`	`worst thing was my diappointment when i couldnt find the ctrl + c/v buttons when i was to hand in the shit... write the same numbers, date and descriptions on 8 papers`
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`10:16.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dneary, can I upload the maemo logo to the mediawiki?`
`10:16.37`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: Let me have a look first...`
`10:16.42`	`dneary`	`It is already there, isn't it?`
`10:16.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What's the filename?`
`10:17.45`	`dneary`	`It's up there in the corner of the front page. https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page`
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`10:20.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`maemo-logo-1.png`
`10:20.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But I can't get there from here. . . .`
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`10:25.27`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: Thanks for your input. I like your first idea for the front page`
`10:25.50`	`dneary`	`The 3 frames is good`
`10:26.02`	`X-Fade`	`I think the howto list will become to long?`
`10:26.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody needs to write a preamble/intro fro the front page.`
`10:26.53`	`dneary`	`Yeah`
`10:26.56`	`dneary`	`That'll be me`
`10:26.59`	`dneary`	`It needs to be short`
`10:27.09`	`dneary`	`In fact, you might argue that it isn't necessary`
`10:27.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maybe, but I like the layout more with one. :P`
`10:27.41`	`dneary`	`If someone has arrived at wiki.maemo.org, there are a few things they know already: it's a maemo related site, it's a wiki`
`10:28.21`	`Saviq`	`Not everyone reads the url ;)`
`10:29.00`	`Saviq`	`And not everyone needs to know what's maemo, nor what's a wiki`
`10:29.58`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: Another wiki for you - similar layout to yours. http://www.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page`
`10:30.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Busy busy busy`
`10:30.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I think having a separate Category page from the front page like this is good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents/Categorical_index`
`10:30.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But the actual front page needs to be only the major stuff.`
`10:31.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`1-1.5 screens or so.`
`10:33.22`	`zap`	`Anybody can explain why HildonProgram/Window classes are needed at all? Why not use standard window manager concepts?`
`10:33.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`There's a bug, I believe. . . .`
`10:33.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not sure if it contains a rationale.`
`10:34.23`	`Jaffa`	`Morning, all`
`10:34.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hi, Jaffa.`
`10:34.56`	`Jaffa`	`zap: The argument is that Nokia didn't want to maintain a Gtk fork, so instead everyone else has to fork their code. Makes perfect sense to me as a software architect, oh yes.`
`10:35.34`	`zap`	`:)))`
`10:36.00`	`zap`	`well, the main question is - what if I don't use Hildon API at all, my program simply won't show?`
`10:36.12`	`zap`	`or it just won't use the funny widgets like titlebar menu etc`
`10:36.18`	`KotCzarny`	`latter`
`10:36.25`	`zap`	`aha, thats cool then`
`10:37.02`	`zap`	`then the Hildon API makes sense as an additional API that gives access to PDA-specific things`
`10:39.34`	`KotCzarny`	`i would be more happy if they simply used backward compatible approach`
`10:39.45`	`KotCzarny`	`matchbox ignoring normal windows as an example`
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`10:49.30`	`Mikho`	`would somebody know how to permanently solve the vdso enabled thing?`
`10:49.51`	`KotCzarny`	`add a line to /etc/rc`
`10:54.48`	`zap`	`KotCzarny: but maemo contains some specific things like titlebar menus, bottom toolbars, the fullscreen button etc`
`10:55.22`	`KotCzarny`	`zap: yeah, like it wouldn't be possible to do it in regular wm/x.org`
`10:55.41`	`zap`	`that would require a fork anyway, or at least a bunch of #ifdefs`
`10:55.44`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`10:55.46`	`zap`	`just like it is now`
`10:55.51`	`zap`	`?`
`10:56.03`	`KotCzarny`	`i'm using a fluxbox wm`
`10:56.08`	`zap`	`so what?`
`10:56.14`	`zap`	`I'm talking about the maemo wm`
`10:56.19`	`KotCzarny`	`so i can assign f6 to fullscreen`
`10:56.21`	`KotCzarny`	`etc`
`10:56.27`	`KotCzarny`	`and don't need hildon for that`
`10:56.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dneary, updated a bit, I'm gonna push it to the front page, OK?`
`10:56.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/User:Generalantilles`
`10:56.32`	`zap`	`normal WMs are not very useable on small-screen devices`
`10:57.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Matchbox, zap.`
`10:57.06`	`KotCzarny`	`zap, the thing i have against hildon is it ignores regular windows`
`10:57.19`	`zap`	`top-level windows?`
`10:57.24`	`zap`	`or what is 'regular'?`
`10:57.31`	`dneary`	`GeneralAntilles: Your categories probably won't be definitive`
`10:57.34`	`KotCzarny`	`not-hildonized`
`10:57.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Oh, definitely`
`10:57.51`	`zap`	`GeneralAntilles: matchbox is not exactly a 'normal WM'`
`10:57.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They're completely terrible at the moment. ;)`
`10:57.57`	`dneary`	`OK, roll it out, let's see what happens`
`10:57.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Matchbox is the maemo wm`
`10:58.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm just not feeling very inspired category-wise this morning. ;)`
`10:58.17`	`zap`	`KotCzarny: I never have seen apps with 'regular' windows, how it looks like?\`
`10:58.21`	`dneary`	`I actually prefer to have categories be completely invisible`
`10:58.28`	`zap`	`GeneralAntilles: matchbox??????`
`10:58.28`	`KotCzarny`	`zap: gimp for example`
`10:58.30`	`KotCzarny`	`grin`
`10:58.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28window_manager%29`
`10:58.43`	`dneary`	`They're there, pages are categorised with them, but they're not part of the normal site navigation`
`10:58.48`	`dneary`	`If you see what I mean`
`10:58.52`	`zap`	`GeneralAntilles: I used matchbox on Zaurus, it had a totally different look :)`
`10:58.58`	`kulve`	`matchbox is a set of tools, including mb-window-manager, mb-desktop, mb-panel, etc`
`10:59.06`	`zap`	`that's why I'm surprised`
`10:59.16`	`kulve`	`matchbox components can be themed quite much`
`10:59.19`	`zap`	`and which of them are used in maemo?`
`10:59.26`	`kulve`	`window manager only`
`10:59.29`	`zap`	`aha`
`10:59.37`	`zap`	`so no matchbox desktop and panel`
`10:59.40`	`zap`	`that would explain it :)`
`10:59.49`	`kulve`	`I'm not sure if they have modified the window manager a bit`
`11:00.12`	`zap`	`KotCzarny: and how gimp looks in maemo?`
`11:00.19`	`kulve`	`no mb-desktop, maemo has nowadays hildon-desktop, which has nothing to do with matchbox-destkop`
`11:00.25`	`zap`	`KotCzarny: or it just doesn't work without modifications?`
`11:00.48`	`KotCzarny`	`main issue is no icon in task navigator`
`11:01.28`	`zap`	`that's because there's no HildonProgram object?`
`11:01.36`	`KotCzarny`	`something like that`
`11:02.14`	`zap`	`indeed, it would be better to just pick up all top-level windows`
`11:02.23`	`Cptnodegard`	`hmm...is there anyway to make gstreet on maemo mapper appear less pixelated?`
`11:02.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Turn off pixel doubling.`
`11:02.42`	`zap`	`wonders where Maemo will go now, after Nokia acquired Trolltech`
`11:02.43`	`Cptnodegard`	`where?`
`11:03.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`zap, there have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject.`
`11:03.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the end of this year/beginning of 2009`
`11:03.28`	`Cptnodegard`	`found it, thanks`
`11:03.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Sure. ;)`
`11:03.58`	`Cptnodegard`	`mameo mapper quadrupled its usefullness in one option`
`11:04.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`zap, there's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt`
`11:04.40`	`hrw`	`~maemo-qt`
`11:05.44`	`hrw`	`infobot: maemo-qt is There have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject. Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the 2008/2009. There's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt`
`11:05.45`	`infobot`	`hrw: okay`
`11:05.50`	`hrw`	`~maemo-qt`
`11:05.50`	`infobot`	`methinks maemo-qt is There have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject. Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the 2008/2009. There's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt`
`11:05.59`	`hugolp`	`is it normal that for the same code the ARMEL executable is 2.5 times bigger than the x86 executable?`
`11:06.14`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, strip it`
`11:07.33`	`hugolp`	`KotCzarny: that yes was for my question?`
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`11:07.38`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`11:08.17`	`hugolp`	`so its an ARMEL feature that the executable are way bigger, ok thanks`
`11:08.34`	`KotCzarny`	`no, but i would assume your default flags include -g`
`11:08.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:09.40`	`hugolp`	`KotCzarny: the flags are the same for the ARMEL than for x86`
`11:09.53`	`KotCzarny`	`then it's strange`
`11:10.04`	`KotCzarny`	`does stripping make it smaller?`
`11:10.24`	`hugolp`	`KotCzarny: when I say x86 I mean x86 for normal pc, not x86 for simulating hildon`
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`11:10.49`	`hugolp`	`I ported a gtk program to hildon and beside a few lines, the programs are exact`
`11:10.52`	`KotCzarny`	`hugolp, does stripping armel binary you have compiled made it smaller?`
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`11:11.03`	`hugolp`	`the gtk version is 2.5 times smaller than the hildon one`
`11:11.25`	`KotCzarny`	`hugolp: try strip your_binary`
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`11:11.34`	`KotCzarny`	`that's actual command`
`11:11.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:11.36`	`zap`	`usually arm executables are a little big larger, but not much`
`11:12.18`	`hugolp`	`ok, going to try`
`11:13.27`	`zap`	`Does Hildon framework work under 'normal' WMs, e.g. GNOME?`
`11:13.49`	`KotCzarny`	`zap: hildon was ported for ubuntu afair`
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`11:14.40`	`zap`	`that could be, but does it run only in matchbox-wm?`
`11:14.49`	`hugolp`	`what a change, now its only a bit bigger`
`11:14.52`	`hugolp`	`thanks`
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`11:15.18`	`KotCzarny`	`hugolp: see if you enable debug somewhere`
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`11:16.01`	`zap`	`it's not neccessarily -g`
`11:16.05`	`jldiaz`	`hi`
`11:16.08`	`zap`	`if you just don't use -s, it'll be larger anyway`
`11:16.21`	`KotCzarny`	`but not that much as with -g`
`11:16.22`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:16.29`	`jldiaz`	`Im'm trying to write a small python client for mpd`
`11:16.35`	`jldiaz`	`console oriented`
`11:16.52`	`jldiaz`	`but I don't know how to read a keypress from python`
`11:17.02`	`hugolp`	`but the striped executable works?`
`11:17.12`	`KotCzarny`	`hugolp: yes`
`11:17.15`	`jldiaz`	`windows implementation has a getch() function, but it is not available for unix`
`11:17.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`jldiaz, you might be interested in powerlaunch`
`11:17.35`	`_berto_`	`that's not portable`
`11:17.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/`
`11:17.50`	`jldiaz`	`I've read about using tty to put stdin in raw mode, but maemo's python does not provide tty module`
`11:18.23`	`KotCzarny`	`jldiaz, there is mpd client in c/ncurses`
`11:18.24`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:18.54`	`jldiaz`	`Yes, I know KotCzarny`
`11:19.23`	`jldiaz`	`but forget about the final goal I'm pursuing.. :-)`
`11:19.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:19.32`	`jldiaz`	`the question is... how to read a keypress from python?`
`11:19.44`	`KotCzarny`	`use pygtk?`
`11:19.44`	`jldiaz`	`in xterm?`
`11:19.45`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`11:20.21`	`kup`	`black cat .... :D`
`11:20.40`	`KotCzarny`	`kup: wrong order`
`11:20.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:21.10`	`kup`	`sure ;)`
`11:21.49`	`jldiaz`	`python for maemo docs say "tty is deprecated". This suggest that there is a better way`
`11:23.29`	`KotCzarny`	`googling: reading from keyboard in python ?`
`11:23.49`	`kup`	`KotCzarny: he he, i was born in wroclaw`
`11:24.03`	`KotCzarny`	`kup: i wasn't`
`11:24.04`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`11:24.50`	`jldiaz`	`KotCzarny: yes, I googled, but the solutions I've found do not work on maemo`
`11:25.00`	`KotCzarny`	`jldiaz: ie, reply = raw_input("Do you have a dead parrot? ") doesn't work?`
`11:25.59`	`kup`	`where are you from? polish linux community became very strong in the last few years`
`11:26.10`	`KotCzarny`	`kup: north-east part`
`11:26.40`	`kup`	`ah, i was on wolin last year`
`11:26.53`	`KotCzarny`	`that's north-west afair`
`11:26.54`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`11:27.11`	`kup`	`ups ... you're right`
`11:27.20`	`kup`	`gdansk?`
`11:27.29`	`KotCzarny`	`north-center`
`11:27.30`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`11:28.11`	`kup`	`:D`
`11:29.33`	`trickie_`	`jldiaz: import curses`
`11:29.38`	`trickie_`	`does that work?`
`11:29.52`	`jldiaz`	`KotCzarny: it works, but it requires I press Return after each char`
`11:30.04`	`jldiaz`	`I want to read the char as soon as it is pressed`
`11:30.24`	`KotCzarny`	`try setting stdin as unbuffered?`
`11:30.54`	`jldiaz`	`apparently, the trick is to use tty.setraw()`
`11:31.05`	`jldiaz`	`but there is no tty on maemo`
`11:31.06`	`jldiaz`	`however, I'm reading tty implementation`
`11:31.29`	`jldiaz`	`it relies on termios, which is present`
`11:31.31`	`KotCzarny`	`shot in the dark, stdin.setraw() ?`
`11:31.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:31.48`	`jldiaz`	`so perhaps it would be possible to implement my own setraw`
`11:31.59`	`jldiaz`	`trickie_, import curses fails`
`11:32.11`	`KotCzarny`	`import ncurses ?`
`11:32.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`11:33.38`	`jldiaz`	`fails too`
`11:35.17`	`trickie_`	`jldiaz: yeah i just read that the curses module was deprecated for pymaemo`
`11:35.41`	`trickie_`	`jldiaz: maybe ask on the pymaemo list?`
`11:36.15`	`jldiaz`	`AHA!`
`11:36.17`	`jldiaz`	`sorry`
`11:36.24`	`jldiaz`	`I did it`
`11:36.48`	`jldiaz`	`just copied the definition of setraw from tty.py in my ubuntu box, to my maemo script`
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`11:37.28`	`jldiaz`	`it works "out of the box"`
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`11:37.42`	`X-Fade`	`Heh, Quim adds fuel to the fire for the rumours in his last mail to -developers ;)`
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`11:39.22`	`trickie_`	`:)`
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`11:40.05`	`woolfgang`	`hi`
`11:41.17`	`woolfgang`	`we're working on utilizing the light sensor of the n810 and thought it would be cool to control the maemo web browser`
`11:41.19`	`Jaffa`	`X-Fade: about the ITTSS?`
`11:41.44`	`X-Fade`	`Jaffa: The OpenExpo one..`
`11:41.53`	`woolfgang`	`is there any way to manipulate the scrollbar of another hildon window`
`11:42.25`	`RST38h`	`not officially`
`11:42.30`	`Jaffa`	`X-Fade: heh, I see :-)`
`11:42.48`	`Jaffa`	`Blimey, that's a bloody long wait for Diablo.`
`11:43.04`	`woolfgang`	`RST38h, and unofficially ;)`
`11:43.05`	`Jaffa`	`Or... N900 release announced at LinuxTag :)`
`11:43.14`	`KotCzarny`	`o.o`
`11:43.19`	`X-Fade`	`Jaffa: Who says it is diablo ;)`
`11:43.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I dunno`
`11:44.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The PowerVR stuff at maemo-meeting`
`11:44.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`this`
`11:44.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Sounds like N900`
`11:44.08`	`Jaffa`	`N900 in September would fit with the Q3 rumour discussed on ITT, interestingly.`
`11:44.10`	`X-Fade`	`As I said, let the rumours start ;)`
`11:44.21`	`jldiaz`	`see you`
`11:44.23`	`Jaffa`	`X-Fade: do you know, btw?`
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`11:44.51`	`X-Fade`	`Jaffa: I know as much as you guys do. I'm intentionally left out of the loop of Nokia things.`
`11:45.01`	`Jaffa`	`X-Fade: that's what I figured`
`11:45.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Jaffa, maybe Nokia meant southern-hemisphere summer for Diablo? :D`
`11:45.20`	`solmumaha`	`link?`
`11:45.30`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: they said Q2 though ;-/`
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`11:46.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ugh, this OMAP3 stuff always makes me giddy when I think about it. . . .`
`11:47.09`	`RST38h`	`OMAP2 is actually quite sufficient`
`11:47.15`	`KotCzarny`	`pity it would cost 500-900$`
`11:47.16`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`11:47.19`	`RST38h`	`Just wish it were better documented...`
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`11:47.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Meh, I'll take the decent LCD controller.`
`11:47.36`	`Jaffa`	`solmumaha: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20067 and http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/017787.html`
`11:47.43`	`RST38h`	`yea, agree on the lcd controller`
`11:48.06`	`RST38h`	`why didn't they make an option to use the built-in one to render into a 640x480 window?`
`11:48.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Really wouldn't make sense for what they're targeting the device for.`
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`11:49.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's a web browser and IM client, you don't need super fast graphics for that. ;)`
`11:49.46`	`RST38h`	`It has become painfully obvious by now that it is NOT only a web browser an IM client...`
`11:50.00`	`RST38h`	`It is the only device in their lineup that has decent screen resolution`
`11:50.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`To the community, but the management is not the community.`
`11:50.16`	`RST38h`	`Especially after Nokia cancelled production of 416x352 devices`
`11:50.19`	`solmumaha`	`Jaffa: thanks`
`11:50.20`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Although we all would love an application switcher like this :P http://smspillaz.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/sphere1.png`
`11:50.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Pfft`
`11:50.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`No Clutter, either!`
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`11:50.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I just want menus to render fast and tear-free.`
`11:51.09`	`Jaffa`	`want sthe N900 to seamlessly run the JavaFX demo from JavaOne where 100s of HD videos were flying around in a 3D swarm, rendering with no skip or framedrop.`
`11:51.34`	`KotCzarny`	`O.o`
`11:51.38`	`RST38h`	`That was cheating`
`11:51.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hehe`
`11:51.48`	`RST38h`	`There is no way Java can do that`
`11:52.14`	`Jaffa`	`Of course, it's libraries on top of OpenGL - the point of the demo was how easy it is to write apps which do that in Java 7`
`11:53.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Be nice if Nokia discovers a magical way to cram the OMAP3440 in there and retain good battery life.`
`11:53.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`800MHz. . . .`
`11:53.50`	`KotCzarny`	`and leave out necessary libs`
`11:53.53`	`KotCzarny`	`grin`
`11:53.55`	`Jaffa`	`Oooh, shiny. OpenOffice and Java sans-Jazelle would both be realistic options then`
`11:55.10`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: yes, it is so easy, JavaFX probably has an API call Make100HDVideosFlyInSwarm() =)`
`11:56.15`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Probably, since it's a Sun API, you'll have to go through a Make100HDVideosFlyInSwarmFactory, first.`
`11:56.26`	`RST38h`	`and it will be a native call anyway`
`12:03.07`	`KotCzarny`	`the best function evah, SatisfyLuser();`
`12:03.08`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`12:03.33`	`Jaffa`	`Nah, /me prefers User.shoot()`
`12:03.38`	`KotCzarny`	`implementation quality could vary though`
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`12:05.29`	`Jaffa`	`KotCzarny: you're right - let's invert it: new BFG9000().shoot(User)`
`12:05.45`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`12:07.52`	`RST38h`	`None of you understand the Spirit of Java`
`12:08.04`	`KotCzarny`	`mine was in c`
`12:08.40`	`RST38h`	`In the spirit of Java, you are supposed to have at least one observer function`
`12:08.57`	`RST38h`	`And implement an interface`
`12:09.12`	`KotCzarny`	`you are taking away the fun from it.`
`12:09.14`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`12:09.29`	`RST38h`	`And have both BFG and User have a Port object`
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`12:10.05`	`RST38h`	`and do System.Ports.Send(BFG9000().GetPort(),User.GetPort(),BFG9000.Actions.Shoot);`
`12:10.15`	`RST38h`	`Kot: I know :)`
`12:10.28`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: That looks more like .NET WebServices`
`12:10.51`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: looks like generic java-derived crap =)`
`12:11.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Anybody bothered to test if Diablo restores the Extras setting correctly from a backup?`
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`12:13.08`	`hendry`	anyone know why I get perm problems with `sb2 make install`? http://static.natalian.org/2008-05-22/sb2pixmanperm.txt
`12:18.48`	`Jaykie`	`question: Anyone using Joikuspot with Nokia phone and connecting N8xx through it?`
`12:19.39`	`Jaykie`	`seems like there is JoikuSpot 2.0 final available and it's working fine except i cannot connect https sites with microb`
`12:19.55`	`KotCzarny`	`jaykie: try setting a proxy?`
`12:20.10`	`Jaykie`	`KotCzarny: yeah, question how do i do it in microb?`
`12:20.17`	`KotCzarny`	`not in microb`
`12:20.32`	`KotCzarny`	`i think it's done where you setup connection`
`12:20.46`	`KotCzarny`	`(well, maybe about:config in microb will work too)`
`12:20.50`	`Jaykie`	`you mean in joikuspot?`
`12:21.03`	`KotCzarny`	`jaykie: i'm just guessing`
`12:21.18`	`Jaykie`	`ok i'll try that one...in joikuspot manual they have guide for IE and they tell to turn on automatic detection of settings`
`12:21.32`	`KotCzarny`	`journal commit I/O error`
`12:21.33`	`KotCzarny`	`O.O`
`12:26.57`	`Jaykie`	`not very familiar with about:config...just found entry for network.proxy.ssl with value: string :)`
`12:27.07`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`12:27.26`	`KotCzarny`	`i think you can also edit user.js`
`12:27.41`	`KotCzarny`	`at least that was an option in firefox`
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`12:28.32`	`Jaykie`	`thanks for your tips`
`12:33.08`	`KotCzarny`	`http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3945496.ece`
`12:34.39`	`RST38h`	`Kot: UK`
`12:34.49`	`RST38h`	`The original inventors of concentration camps ;)`
`12:35.05`	`KotCzarny`	`rest of the world will follow`
`12:35.06`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`12:35.31`	`RST38h`	`No doubt, they always followed...`
`12:35.43`	`RST38h`	`But look at the bright side: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1992853/Monster-carnivorous-mice-overrun-Gough-Island.html`
`12:35.43`	`KotCzarny`	`or be forced to follow`
`12:35.44`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`12:35.49`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah`
`12:35.51`	`KotCzarny`	`saw that`
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`12:36.29`	`lopz`	`morning`
`12:36.54`	`RST38h`	`Meanwhile in Kansas: http://www.kmbc.com/news/16345135/detail.html`
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`12:37.54`	`KotCzarny`	`zombie nation`
`12:38.06`	`KotCzarny`	`thump`
`12:40.53`	`madsk`	`Hi guys. I am trying to compile something in scratchbox that depends on libfl.a (the flex lib) but somehow it does not work. Even though libfl.a exists in /scratchbox/tools/lib it says: "flex library not found"`
`12:41.12`	`KotCzarny`	`.a is static lib`
`12:41.24`	`KotCzarny`	`you need .so for -lfl`
`12:41.40`	`madsk`	`Ahh, right...`
`12:41.44`	`KotCzarny`	`otherwise you need to put /usr/lib/libfl.a on the command line`
`12:41.46`	`KotCzarny`	`or something`
`12:42.05`	`KotCzarny`	`(or -static flag)`
`12:42.34`	`madsk`	`This error occurs in the configure script of the Julius speech recognition software.`
`12:42.56`	`madsk`	`So they must use some shared-object flexlib...`
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`12:44.02`	`madsk`	`But in /scratchbox/tools/lib only libfl.a exists, no .so version.`
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`12:44.38`	`madsk`	`On my regular Ubuntu installation both libfl.a an libfl.so resides in /usr/lib`
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`12:45.04`	`KotCzarny`	`remember that scratchbox matches and mixes dirs`
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`12:46.36`	`madsk`	`Yes, I an currently doing an 'find / -name libfl.so' but it takes a lot of time :-)`
`12:47.24`	`madsk`	`And it was not found...`
`12:47.47`	`KotCzarny`	`apt-get install flex?`
`12:47.49`	`KotCzarny`	`apt-get install byacc?`
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`12:49.31`	`madsk`	`Tried installing flex - it says its not available`
`12:54.48`	`madsk`	`I am building flex from scratch now to see if that creates a libfl.so for me.`
`12:54.54`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`12:55.41`	`madsk`	`it didn't :P`
`12:56.04`	`RST38h`	`madsk: make so out of a`
`12:56.15`	`RST38h`	`or include a at the command line and remove -lfl flag`
`12:56.50`	`RST38h`	`to make an so, do something like gcc -o libfl.so -shared libfl.a`
`12:56.55`	`madsk`	`Yes, but that would mean trying to figure out how their build scripts work :)`
`12:57.00`	`madsk`	`ok, I'll try that now`
`12:57.04`	`RST38h`	`no pain no gain`
`12:57.09`	`madsk`	`:D`
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`12:59.27`	`soman`	`hii... im unable to play an .mpeg file on N810`
`12:59.37`	`KotCzarny`	`get mplayer`
`12:59.47`	`soman`	`what gst-plugin do i need to have on N810`
`12:59.56`	`KotCzarny`	`or check if it's mpeg`
`13:01.05`	`soman`	`it says media codec not present`
`13:01.12`	`KotCzarny`	`check on pc`
`13:01.21`	`soman`	`on PC its working fine`
`13:01.30`	`KotCzarny`	`no, check what format it is`
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`13:08.06`	`soman`	`its mpeg2`
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`13:08.19`	`KotCzarny`	`transcode it`
`13:08.31`	`soman`	`what does that mean`
`13:08.41`	`KotCzarny`	`400mhz is a little low for mpeg2`
`13:08.51`	`KotCzarny`	`especially if resolution is high too`
`13:09.29`	`soman`	`so how can i transcode it`
`13:09.35`	`KotCzarny`	`transcode == convert to another format`
`13:10.14`	`soman`	`but i need to have mpeg 2 only`
`13:10.48`	`KotCzarny`	`then i say, it's not going to happen on your tablet`
`13:10.50`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`13:11.36`	`summatusmentis`	`tablets can't play mpeg2?`
`13:11.36`	`soman`	`ok`
`13:12.01`	`soman`	`oh... thanks for support...`
`13:12.02`	`KotCzarny`	`summatusmentis: well, theoretically mplayer can play it, but it's cpu intensive`
`13:12.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`13:12.16`	`summatusmentis`	`oh, ok, that makes sense`
`13:12.17`	`KotCzarny`	`so it's better to transcode`
`13:13.13`	`soman`	`ok`
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`13:19.14`	`ravious`	`mediaserv is a nice little on the fly encoder with a httpd frontend to browse the files.. pretty easy to setup too.`
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`13:30.40`	`RST38h`	`"The editors of "Sky Horse", LLC are planning to release a disk collection of the best software for PC, PDA (pocket PC), smart phones and cell phones. Our computer software analysts have positively evaluated your program(s)..."`
`13:30.56`	`RST38h`	`-- Elena Nasyrova Legando.S60@skyhorse.com.ua`
`13:31.01`	`KotCzarny`	`o.o`
`13:31.09`	`KotCzarny`	`what's a best software?`
`13:31.12`	`RST38h`	`Dear Elena Nasyrova! I explicitely PROHIBIT you from including any of my programs in`
`13:31.13`	`RST38h`	`anyyour disk collections.`
`13:31.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ha`
`13:31.28`	`RST38h`	`[you can fuck off now.]`
`13:31.29`	`Stskeeps`	`mm. sky horses. good on bread`
`13:31.29`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
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`13:32.19`	`RST38h`	`Kot: Anything that they can place onto CD without too high litigation risk`
`13:32.37`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`13:32.42`	`RST38h`	`Kot: Given their .UA address, let us just say "anything"`
`13:32.49`	`KotCzarny`	`well`
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`13:33.09`	`KotCzarny`	`says photoshop cs3`
`13:33.11`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`13:33.23`	`KotCzarny`	`that would make the case interesting :)`
`13:33.23`	`RST38h`	`We DO NOT SELL the software, we distribute the best free and shareware software and ADVERTISE its authors on it. ($4.50/CD)`
`13:33.55`	`KotCzarny`	`cds were ok in the pre-internet era`
`13:33.59`	`KotCzarny`	`but now?`
`13:34.11`	`RST38h`	`How else would they sell you pirated software?`
`13:34.15`	`KotCzarny`	`kind of dollar store presents`
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`13:35.41`	`ravious`	`anyone know of any shfsmount or remote filesystem projects currently being worked on/`
`13:35.52`	`KotCzarny`	`?`
`13:35.58`	`KotCzarny`	`sshfs and sambafs`
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`13:37.39`	`anidel`	`hi`
`13:37.54`	`zap`	`curlftpfs`
`13:37.58`	`zap`	`works fine here`
`13:38.20`	`KotCzarny`	`nfs is ok too`
`13:38.22`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`13:52.13`	`ravious`	`does sshfs work on os2007he?`
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`14:04.59`	`zap`	`sshfs is damn slow`
`14:05.10`	`zap`	`nfs is fast, but not easy to set up`
`14:05.19`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: end of vacations? :)`
`14:05.36`	`lcuk`	`damn, i was trying to stay out of here for a couple of hours`
`14:05.40`	`zap`	`curlftpfs is fast, and mounts any ftp server which is easy to set up`
`14:05.40`	`lcuk`	`yes though :)`
`14:05.40`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`14:05.47`	`lcuk`	`ty`
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`14:06.02`	`lcuk`	`needs a holiday`
`14:06.08`	`KotCzarny`	`zap: sshfs may be slow but for most of the uses it's enough`
`14:06.22`	`lcuk`	`is sshfs slow?`
`14:06.26`	`KotCzarny`	`zap: and what it loses in therms of speed it gains in ease of use`
`14:06.32`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: on slow cpus`
`14:06.33`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`14:06.42`	`lcuk`	`like 2420?`
`14:06.50`	`lcuk`	`in powersave mode?`
`14:06.56`	`KotCzarny`	`i got ~450-500kb/s with it`
`14:07.06`	`zap`	`via wifi or via usb?`
`14:07.09`	`KotCzarny`	`wifi`
`14:07.14`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't use usb`
`14:07.19`	`zap`	`well thats about the top you can get with wifi`
`14:07.29`	`lcuk`	`have i missed anything vital then kot?`
`14:07.43`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk, hmm, diablo for some people`
`14:07.53`	`lcuk`	`some isnt everyone :)`
`14:07.56`	`KotCzarny`	`but not that much exciting`
`14:07.57`	`lcuk`	`ive been making notes`
`14:08.01`	`lcuk`	`lots of notes`
`14:08.10`	`zap`	`lotus of notes`
`14:08.16`	`lcuk`	`so many notes that i ended up with a floating point error ;)`
`14:08.21`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:08.42`	`KotCzarny`	`piled so much that weren't able to float anymore`
`14:08.45`	`lcuk`	`but its good, ive got a lot of ideas now about what i need to do`
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`14:10.07`	`lcuk`	`i will hopefully vanish for a few days and prepare a speech based on what ive noted`
`14:10.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:10.58`	`lcuk`	`holy shpoopoo 2400 spams since i left!`
`14:11.15`	`KotCzarny`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928`
`14:11.16`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`14:11.29`	`lcuk`	`wicked`
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`14:11.39`	`KotCzarny`	`probably oom`
`14:11.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:11.53`	`lcuk`	`i best unpack, back later`
`14:11.57`	`KotCzarny`	`k k`
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`14:14.31`	`xadap`	`hi`
`14:15.17`	`xadap`	`I'd like to port a GPL app to OS2007HE. I've been browsing maemo.org and I can't see really well where to start`
`14:15.20`	`xadap`	`any guidelines? :)`
`14:16.52`	`KotCzarny`	`http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html ?`
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`14:18.43`	`KotCzarny`	`and http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/ in general`
`14:18.49`	`xadap`	`uhms, I didn't find that link, KotCzarny`
`14:18.50`	`xadap`	`thanks :)`
`14:18.54`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`14:18.58`	`KotCzarny`	`first link in google..`
`14:19.03`	`xadap`	`i already did :p`
`14:19.14`	`xadap`	`i even looked for the app i wanna port, in case it had been done before`
`14:19.26`	`KotCzarny`	`magic word for google and maemo is: maemo`
`14:19.30`	`xadap`	`by the way, how do I know whether I need 3.x guides or 4.x ?`
`14:19.37`	`KotCzarny`	`both should work`
`14:19.48`	`KotCzarny`	`though some thing changed names`
`14:20.06`	`KotCzarny`	`*things`
`14:20.10`	`xadap`	`alright`
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`14:20.24`	`xadap`	`if I succeed on that port, I'll try to put it in some repository`
`14:20.25`	`xadap`	`thanks ;D`
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`14:20.38`	`anidel`	`xadap: consider Maemo Extras repository`
`14:20.59`	`xadap`	`I'll do :)`
`14:21.02`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: You were quick at noticing the stats changes ;)`
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`14:24.22`	`anidel`	`X-Fade I was lucky :P`
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`14:24.46`	`anidel`	`I even spent time searching on the ITT forum in case I had miss it, before posting to Maemo Developers`
`14:25.12`	`X-Fade`	`Hehe.`
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`14:25.52`	`anidel`	`Anyway a few days ago I was happy Xournal was the 2nd in the Popular section.. and I was checking to see how close to Pidgin I was.. now.. 50.000 (canola2) agains 5000 (xournal).. eheh no need to check anymore :P`
`14:26.13`	`qwerty12`	`hehe, xournal and canola are both great :)`
`14:26.54`	`anidel`	`BTW, I was surprised to see the count was so low and I wondered several times why that was so.. now I know why`
`14:27.05`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: Yeah, but your app has seen a lot of attention lately? It is doing great.`
`14:27.11`	`anidel`	`qwerty12: :) thanks.. it was just fun to see it there`
`14:27.42`	`anidel`	`X-Fade it really is doing great.. and users should be very happy as I am getting low or no complaints at all`
`14:28.06`	`anidel`	`maybe that's because there's no direct link from the Maemo Downloads page -> to ITT forum thread specific for it ? (hint)`
`14:28.06`	`KotCzarny`	`that doesn't necessarily matter things you think it means`
`14:28.07`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`14:28.27`	`anidel`	`:p`
`14:28.57`	`KotCzarny`	`s/matter/means`
`14:29.34`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: You can add links if you want..`
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`14:30.18`	`X-Fade`	`At least point it's homepage to the thread ;)`
`14:30.19`	`anidel`	`X-Fade: yup.. I was referring to the last discussion on ITT about the Downloads section Reggie opened (and than closed) few days ago on ITT`
`14:30.27`	`X-Fade`	`Or just add it in the description.`
`14:30.54`	`anidel`	`X-Fade: I will open a garage project for it and link either the garage page AND the ITT forum thread`
`14:31.26`	`X-Fade`	`Even better :)`
`14:31.34`	`anidel`	`I always do the best things :P`
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`14:34.32`	`anidel`	`how do you want to solve the problem with packages that were previously hosted on our own repo and then later added to Extras ?`
`14:35.05`	`X-Fade`	`Just add them up? :)`
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`14:35.30`	`X-Fade`	`Although to have good stats, you should just move to extras ofcourse ;)`
`14:36.12`	`anidel`	`You would need to ask people to send you their download stats ...`
`14:36.23`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: Nah..`
`14:36.37`	`X-Fade`	`Just get your stuff into extras or don't get a pretty graph :)`
`14:36.52`	`KotCzarny`	`senses stats fixing`
`14:36.59`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:37.19`	`X-Fade`	`KotCzarny: Too much work :D`
`14:37.24`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:37.40`	`anidel`	`I was talking about the "PS" in your last e-mail on maemo-developers.. about adding download stats of packages that were not hosted on extras before`
`14:37.57`	`anidel`	`(it's just for the sake of curiosity, tho)`
`14:38.01`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: Well, we recorded the clicks on the install button..`
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`14:38.33`	`anidel`	`oh ok that's it.. not stats from apps that were not even listed on Maemo.. got it :)`
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`14:38.38`	`X-Fade`	`But you don't know how many downloads were through application manager. As that doesn't go through our servers..`
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`14:39.05`	`anidel`	`exactly..`
`14:39.12`	`X-Fade`	`If you host your packages yourself.`
`14:39.14`	`KotCzarny`	`akamai sucks a little`
`14:39.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:39.37`	`X-Fade`	`KotCzarny: ehm.. what shall I say about that.. :D`
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`14:40.06`	`KotCzarny`	`especially their ability to 401 the request instead redirecting to proper server`
`14:40.07`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:40.20`	`KotCzarny`	`s/instead/instead of`
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`14:41.03`	`anidel`	`geek`
`14:41.06`	`anidel`	`:)`
`14:43.39`	`ravious`	`I have a question about sshfs on os2007. I've managed to mount my network filesystem as root, but my mount point folders are always grayed out on the user account file manager. I assume its a permissions error. Any advice?`
`14:43.55`	`KotCzarny`	`-o allow_other`
`14:44.05`	`X-Fade`	`I've also been testing a feature to show new applications in the maemo.org/news section.`
`14:44.31`	`X-Fade`	`So they can end up on the front page too, if they get enough thumbs up :)`
`14:44.43`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`14:44.59`	`KotCzarny`	`maemo apps already has that?`
`14:45.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:45.06`	`anidel`	`not in the news`
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`14:45.19`	`anidel`	`and not thumbable`
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`14:45.40`	`KotCzarny`	`no?`
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`14:46.08`	`anidel`	`we only have Garage news there`
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`14:46.18`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`14:46.22`	`KotCzarny`	`http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/`
`14:46.28`	`KotCzarny`	`i talk about this page`
`14:46.38`	`X-Fade`	`KotCzarny: I would know that ;) Because I have mostly implemented it ;)`
`14:46.45`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:47.14`	`anidel`	`that page is for newly added applications too.. but they don't show up in the News section and you cannot love or thumb down them`
`14:47.26`	`KotCzarny`	`ah`
`14:47.29`	`KotCzarny`	`those thumbs`
`14:47.31`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:47.38`	`anidel`	`yup`
`14:47.45`	`ravious`	`workted Kot, tyvm :)`
`14:47.47`	`X-Fade`	`Karma baby!`
`14:47.48`	`anidel`	`if I got it well, X-fade ?`
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`14:47.54`	`X-Fade`	`yep.`
`14:47.55`	`anidel`	`:)`
`14:48.09`	`KotCzarny`	`x-fade, yes, please, 2k would be enough`
`14:48.10`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:48.54`	`anidel`	`any more recent news about a jobs.maemo.org ?`
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`14:49.45`	`KotCzarny`	`other than it shows downloads?`
`14:49.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:50.21`	`anidel`	`ah! never noticed`
`14:50.34`	`KotCzarny`	`probably catch all domain :)`
`14:50.39`	`anidel`	`yup`
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`14:52.16`	`anidel`	`yesterday I have installed the slide rotate patch.. it's awesome! Xournal is even more useful while holding the tablet in portrait mode`
`14:53.07`	`anidel`	`I should make it catch the change in size of the window and show a better toolbar for that mode`
`14:53.34`	`X-Fade`	`KotCzarny: Yep.`
`14:53.54`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:54.29`	`KotCzarny`	`anidel, rotation patch won't be in official kernel for a while`
`14:54.51`	`anidel`	`so Xournal, for those who don't care, we'll always behave as usual :P ehhe`
`14:55.01`	`KotCzarny`	`it would require to test/fix too much stuff for nokia devs :)`
`14:55.28`	`anidel`	`I am not asking it to be made official... even tho I would love it`
`14:55.56`	`X-Fade`	`Perhaps it can be distributed as a module?`
`14:56.13`	`KotCzarny`	`x-fade: it requires changes to the vid driver`
`14:56.37`	`lcuk`	`thats a module ;)`
`14:56.45`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`14:56.57`	`X-Fade`	`KotCzarny: I hope SSU will give us more updates, so we don't have to wait so long for an actual fix/feature to show up.`
`14:57.08`	`KotCzarny`	`anyways, patch for kernel is trivial (almost)`
`14:57.13`	`KotCzarny`	`and works`
`14:57.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:57.20`	`lcuk`	`until the next official release`
`14:57.22`	`qwerty12`	`So far with SSU, all I get is new kernel (woot :)) and broken initfs packages :?`
`14:57.29`	`qwerty12`	`s/:?/:/`
`14:57.35`	`KotCzarny`	`got ftd`
`14:57.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:57.41`	`qwerty12`	`has it too ;)`
`14:57.48`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: Yeah, but you are not supposed to get anything yet :D`
`14:57.56`	`lcuk`	`got big fat cpu change buttons so is happy`
`14:58.06`	`qwerty12`	`X-Fade, Hehe, true. I bow my head down :)`
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`14:58.53`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, you will be pleased to hear i want to live in powersave mode more often than performance :)`
`14:58.57`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`14:59.06`	`lcuk`	`ondemand is too flakey`
`14:59.20`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: i got gcc 4.2.3 in sbox :)`
`14:59.36`	`lcuk`	`i got gcc whatever version direct on device and its been bliss`
`14:59.52`	`KotCzarny`	`3.4.4 probably`
`15:00.04`	`lcuk`	`apart from starting pygtkeditor from the console is blocking - i cant execute on another thread`
`15:00.19`	`KotCzarny`	`use &`
`15:00.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`qwerty12, have you seen the update notification applet yet?`
`15:00.26`	`qwerty12`	`GeneralAntilles, Many times`
`15:00.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Really?`
`15:00.32`	`lcuk`	`what do you mean, simply &pygtkeditor`
`15:00.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I've yet to see it.`
`15:00.35`	`qwerty12`	`I even had it in chinook ;)`
`15:00.39`	`KotCzarny`	`at the end`
`15:00.43`	`KotCzarny`	`app &`
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`15:01.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They got rid of the update interval, does it do background checks?`
`15:01.10`	`anidel`	`qwerty12: in chinook ?`
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`15:01.20`	`lcuk`	`ROOOOLES! thank you`
`15:01.26`	`qwerty12`	`anidel, Newer application manager compiled. piss take though...`
`15:01.29`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk, *nix`
`15:01.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`15:01.36`	`qwerty12`	`GeneralAntilles, I only get it when I update repos manually :/`
`15:01.40`	`anidel`	`qwerty12: oh :)`
`15:01.53`	`qwerty12`	`Settings for the update notifier are in gconf`
`15:01.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, the whole update applet is really stupidly pointless if it doesn't occasionally check for updates in the background.`
`15:02.01`	`lcuk`	`right, ive got lots to do - im gonna start unpacking all these notes - its been a dream this week`
`15:02.24`	`KotCzarny`	`consumes breakfast`
`15:02.47`	`anidel`	`breakfast ? I am almost ready for dinner.. soccer match before that`
`15:02.50`	`lcuk`	`didnt get breakfast today - left for the airport before the cafe opened`
`15:03.17`	`KotCzarny`	`well`
`15:03.27`	`KotCzarny`	`first meal after sleep`
`15:03.40`	`KotCzarny`	`call it what you like :)`
`15:03.40`	`anidel`	`GA: App Manager does check them up regularly, probably the applet relies on that`
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`15:03.57`	`qwerty12`	`anidel, Time for that has disappeared in Options`
`15:04.12`	`Sakkath`	`http://gronmayer.com/it/ <-- how do I install this repo? there is a include() error on the page`
`15:04.22`	`KotCzarny`	`it's not a repo`
`15:05.55`	`anidel`	`qwerty12: weird decision`
`15:05.56`	`Sakkath`	`Uhm.`
`15:06.04`	`Sakkath`	`KotCzarny: then what do i do for becomeroot?`
`15:06.12`	`KotCzarny`	`google?`
`15:06.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`15:06.18`	`KotCzarny`	`~becomeroot`
`15:06.18`	`infobot`	`i guess becomeroot is on Maemo to get root run "sudo gainroot" or dig in maemo.org wiki for proper howto`
`15:06.56`	`qwerty12`	`"~qwerty12" "I guess qwerty12 is the king" :p`
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`15:07.44`	`Sakkath`	`KotCzarny: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot/#7b9d9a1e686210e36211b6fac1a1dad2`
`15:07.56`	`Sakkath`	`KotCzarny: how do i 'search' gronmayer.com/it`
`15:08.13`	`KotCzarny`	`use google`
`15:08.25`	`KotCzarny`	`gromnayer is only an index`
`15:08.47`	`Sakkath`	`I found one on eko.one.pl but it was for bora`
`15:08.59`	`anidel`	`X-Fade Canola guys just noticed the change in the Downloads count too :)`
`15:09.17`	`X-Fade`	`I'm sure they did :)`
`15:09.43`	`Sakkath`	`KotCzarny: will that work?`
`15:09.49`	`KotCzarny`	`don't know`
`15:09.53`	`KotCzarny`	`i use ssh for root`
`15:09.56`	`qwerty12`	`That is the only becomeroot`
`15:10.25`	`Sakkath`	`oh, thanks qwerty12`
`15:10.25`	`qwerty12`	`but I will always <3 easyroot over becomeroot`
`15:10.33`	`anidel`	`x-fade: they're chatting about that in #canola`
`15:10.34`	`Sakkath`	`why?`
`15:10.49`	`anidel`	`qwerty12 that <3 comes from Blizzard ?`
`15:11.17`	`qwerty12`	`Sakkath, Because it does what becomeroot does (sudo gainroot) plus includes a "root" command which sets proper root enviroment variables.`
`15:11.29`	`qwerty12`	`anidel, no afaik. <3 = f00kin iirc`
`15:12.15`	`disq`	`why? just ssh root@127.1`
`15:12.25`	`anidel`	`qwerty12: ok`
`15:12.52`	`X-Fade`	`tonikitoo here? Or somebody that knows him?`
`15:13.18`	`qwerty12`	`X-Fade, Has garage all of a sudden started to set deb mime types as application/x-archive?`
`15:13.29`	`Sakkath`	`qwerty12: thanks`
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`15:13.45`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: No? It does that for a long time already?`
`15:14.18`	`qwerty12`	`I've never noticed it before. before I could press open but because maemo doesn't include application/x-archive mime type as default, open is grayed out`
`15:14.25`	`qwerty12`	`now that is`
`15:14.47`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: Yeah, I saw mention about it before, I think.`
`15:15.44`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: We will look into it..`
`15:15.53`	`qwerty12`	`Thanks :)`
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`15:16.15`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: Can you please file a bug about it?`
`15:16.34`	`qwerty12`	`X-Fade, If I knew how, I would, anyone else willing to file it please?`
`15:16.42`	`X-Fade`	`That makes it easier for us to remember and assign it to somebody ;)`
`15:16.49`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: learn!`
`15:16.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`15:17.09`	`qwerty12`	`Best I can do is voting :P`
`15:17.13`	`summatusmentis`	`qwerty12: bug trackers aren't hard...`
`15:17.29`	`qwerty12`	`summatusmentis, Before maemo, I'd never heard of them`
`15:17.44`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website&component=Garage :)`
`15:17.44`	`anidel`	`qwerty12: so you've got diablo and you're not filing bugs up ? bad, too bad`
`15:18.04`	`summatusmentis`	`qwerty12: yeah, but it's not difficult.`
`15:18.25`	`summatusmentis`	`oh, see, it's even bugzilla!`
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`15:19.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`qwerty12, it has a nice walkthrough and everything.`
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`15:21.17`	`qwerty12`	`Ok, I'll try but will you be willing to help please if (most likely, for sure) I need it :)`
`15:21.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`qwerty12, just let me know if you run into any trouble at all. :P`
`15:21.42`	`anidel`	`x-fade: so Vagalume was cheating ? it has now only 800 downloads ? :p`
`15:21.55`	`X-Fade`	`anidel: No, that is one in the PS category..`
`15:22.04`	`qwerty12`	`GeneralAntilles, Thanks :)`
`15:22.58`	`anidel`	`X-Fade: PS ?`
`15:23.04`	`anidel`	`oh PC ?`
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`15:23.12`	`X-Fade`	`no, PS in my mail..`
`15:24.18`	`qwerty12`	`Erm, what goes in alias? :/`
`15:24.24`	`qwerty12`	`Sorry for dumbness`
`15:24.32`	`KotCzarny`	`probably 'qwerty12'`
`15:24.32`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`15:24.39`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: Just leave empty.`
`15:24.58`	`summatusmentis`	`lol!`
`15:25.03`	`summatusmentis`	`sorry, I don't mean to laugh`
`15:25.18`	`anidel`	`X-fade: k`
`15:25.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Alias is for linking to the internal Nokia bugtracker, qwerty12.`
`15:25.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You never need to worry about it.`
`15:25.39`	`qwerty12`	`Ah, ok`
`15:25.52`	`qwerty12`	`"ur mom" isn't really a good alias is it?`
`15:26.05`	`summatusmentis`	`do it!`
`15:26.24`	`KotCzarny`	`do ur mom?`
`15:26.32`	`qwerty12`	`lmao`
`15:26.44`	`summatusmentis`	`hrr hrr rolls eyes`
`15:26.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You also don't need to worry about Whiteboard and Keywords for now, qwerty12.`
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`15:29.13`	`summatusmentis`	`alright, I have a stupid question. Is the USB port on the N810 mini-usb?`
`15:29.23`	`qwerty12`	`X-Fade, Which is better title? ".deb files on garage project are reported as application/x-archive" or "deb files are not able to be opened with browser"`
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`15:29.39`	`qwerty12`	`Alternative suggestions appreciated`
`15:29.40`	`X-Fade`	`qwerty12: First one.`
`15:29.55`	`X-Fade`	`We can always alter it, don't worry..`
`15:30.02`	`qwerty12`	`Cool`
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`15:30.15`	`X-Fade`	`As long as the problem is recorded and can be reproduced :)`
`15:30.49`	`ur`	`hello. is there a software that supports video chat on n810 to either msn or yahoo or skype?`
`15:30.58`	`qwerty12`	`msn = amsn`
`15:31.04`	`summatusmentis`	`there's skype on the n810`
`15:31.09`	`qwerty12`	`but no video in skype`
`15:31.13`	`ur`	`I`
`15:31.14`	`summatusmentis`	`oh really?`
`15:31.31`	`ur`	`I have tried skype, no video`
`15:32.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Gizmo has video.`
`15:32.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If that's a workable alternative.`
`15:32.47`	`summatusmentis`	`what about Google Talk?`
`15:33.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Tablet-to-tablet`
`15:33.21`	`ur`	`I should ask, has anyone of you successfully used video chat between n810 and a linux pc`
`15:35.17`	`ur`	`google talk would be ok, is there a linux software on the pc that supports it with video?`
`15:35.39`	`ur`	`I had asked for skype/yahoo/msn, because I do have software on the linux pc already that supports a webcam. no idea about google talk`
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`15:39.34`	`qwerty12`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/post_bug.cgi`
`15:39.37`	`qwerty12`	`oops`
`15:39.46`	`qwerty12`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3189`
`15:39.52`	`qwerty12`	`If something sucks, sorry.`
`15:41.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hey, qwerty12 figured out to delete the (always/sometimes/once)!`
`15:41.35`	`qwerty12`	`3 cheers for qwerty12!`
`15:41.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If a 15-year-old can do it, you'd figure everybody else would be able to. . . . <_< :P`
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`15:44.18`	`WorkingOnWise`	`My hand ha been forced and I am now using Vista as my primary OS. :( I thought "Well at least I should be able to sync Outlook and my N800 if I' on Windows" So I looked. Please please tell me there is a clean way to keep outlook and the N800 contacts and calendar synced.`
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`15:45.01`	`anidel`	`3 cheers for qwerty12!`
`15:47.53`	`Veggen`	`WorkingOnWise: why do you accept it, these days? (Vista as primary OS)?`
`15:48.28`	`Veggen`	`but apart from that, there exists little clean ways to syncronize contact data and such with the NITs....`
`15:48.41`	`forge`	`Aye, it's not vista`
`15:48.48`	`forge`	`It's N800`
`15:49.03`	`Veggen`	`now, I do understand that they are not meant as PDAs, but seriously. They'd be quite useful as that too :)`
`15:49.17`	`forge`	`They would`
`15:49.32`	`forge`	`I would imagine that being a bit bigger market than pure internet tablet thingie`
`15:49.43`	`Veggen`	`(but since I don't implement it, I have no right to complain, only to wish :)`
`15:49.59`	`hrw`	`;)`
`15:49.59`	`forge`	`You can always vote with your wallet`
`15:50.15`	`Veggen`	`forge: I have more use for a NIT than a PDA :)`
`15:50.28`	`forge`	`:)`
`15:50.46`	`KotCzarny`	`pdas are so 90' ;)`
`15:50.57`	`qwerty12`	`Thats big!`
`15:51.29`	`qwerty12`	`doesn't need or use any PDA or PIM. Even with my PPC, I don't use it as a PIM`
`15:51.56`	`forge`	`Because of the marketting`
`15:52.10`	`forge`	`But imagine a good internet tablet with really good pim suit out of the bat`
`15:52.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Meh, save that for step 5.`
`15:52.36`	`forge`	`I would imagine that bringing more focus on it from business perspective aswell and hopefully good quality programs :o`
`15:52.56`	`forge`	`:)`
`15:53.17`	`WorkingOnWise`	`Veggen: there are a few apps that I make money with that just dont work with Linux at all, and Vista Ultimate was free from Microsoft`
`15:53.30`	`Navi`	`yawns`
`15:53.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`pokes Navi with a stick.`
`15:53.51`	`Navi`	`dies a horrible death`
`15:53.56`	`qwerty12`	`My camera is funky!`
`15:53.58`	`hrw\|gone`	`bye`
`15:54.15`	`Veggen`	`WorkingOnWise: me, I have only the bureaucratic applications on windows. But no productive work.`
`15:54.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Get a job and get yourself a nice DSLR, qwerty12. :P`
`15:54.27`	`qwerty12`	`I didn't know my W810 can do "3-d effect"`
`15:54.29`	`forge`	`I use linux on work and vista at home`
`15:54.37`	`qwerty12`	`GeneralAntilles, I hardly take pics :p`
`15:54.38`	`forge`	`I like both`
`15:54.39`	`Veggen`	`my windows box is destined to die soon, I can do it from a terminal server.`
`15:54.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You will once you get a DSLR`
`15:54.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Those things are so much fun`
`15:55.00`	`Navi`	`pfft`
`15:55.12`	`anidel`	`a Lumix 12X Leica lens is real fun :)`
`15:56.01`	`Veggen`	`GA: agreed. My 2 yr old DSLR has taken >4000 pics now.`
`15:56.16`	`Veggen`	`And I don't think that's extreme, I know people who takes way more.`
`15:56.28`	`KotCzarny`	`O.o`
`15:56.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, Veggen, that's nothing.`
`15:56.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Digital is so great`
`15:56.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just shoot as many pics as you want`
`15:57.03`	`ur`	`GeneralAntilles: I`
`15:57.05`	`KotCzarny`	`http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/017795.html`
`15:57.06`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`15:57.23`	`WorkingOnWise`	`does anyone have debain up on the N8x0? Does the popup keyboard work? If I had a more desktop loke linux on the IT I would have an easier time syncing with outlook`
`15:57.26`	`ur`	`GeneralAntilles: I have installed gizmo on the linux pc and registered for an account, but can not find video anywhere in the linux client user interface`
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`15:57.32`	`qwerty12`	`3-d effect:http://i27.tinypic.com/fmqgc3.jpg w00t!`
`15:57.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Linux hasn't gotten a 4.0 beta yet.`
`15:57.48`	`WorkingOnWise`	`or Ubuntu Fiesty maybe?`
`15:57.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Video is only in version 4`
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`15:58.28`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty12: looks like too long exposure`
`15:58.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`15:58.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You need to steady your hand, qwerty12. ;) :P`
`15:58.53`	`lcuk`	`or stop the world`
`15:58.58`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, I don't know nothing about camera's. It's modded W810 but the camera driver on here sucks, I need to get new one`
`15:59.08`	`qwerty12`	`GeneralAntilles, My button seems to have broken overnight :/`
`15:59.18`	`qwerty12`	`I'll get the N80 :/`
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`15:59.25`	`qwerty12`	`(hate that phone_`
`15:59.29`	`ur`	`I can't believe there is no software to do video between n810 and linux-pc`
`15:59.30`	`qwerty12`	`s/_/)`
`15:59.46`	`Navi`	`My mom has an N80`
`15:59.58`	`Navi`	`I thought it was all right`
`16:00.13`	`qwerty12`	`It's a good phone but I don't like thickness`
`16:00.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Pfft`
`16:00.31`	`qwerty12`	`I need to fix the slide mechanism on it too, it's gotten loose`
`16:00.32`	`lcuk`	`ur, i can't either`
`16:00.47`	`Navi`	`Features over thickness for me`
`16:00.53`	`Navi`	`Though, I could go for an E51`
`16:00.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ah, Darius in true form.`
`16:01.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'd like to meet that man in real life`
`16:01.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I can only imagine. . . .`
`16:01.14`	`Navi`	`robotcop`
`16:01.15`	`qwerty12`	`with sharpened stick?`
`16:01.31`	`ur`	`thanks all for your help, I conclude the cam in n810 is useless`
`16:01.41`	`qwerty12`	`Took you a long time :p`
`16:01.46`	`simboss_`	`guys are there any packages to have tools like make, gcc, g++ on the n800?`
`16:01.46`	`qwerty12`	`Quality sucks anyway`
`16:01.54`	`qwerty12`	`simboss_, build-essential`
`16:01.56`	`Navi`	`dneary, I got up to the 'm's yesterday`
`16:02.17`	`dneary`	`Yay!`
`16:02.36`	`dneary`	`I thougt you were going to start at the Zs`
`16:02.37`	`summatusmentis`	`is there a way to widen the scroll bars?`
`16:02.43`	`dneary`	`So you did all the Hs`
`16:02.44`	`dneary`	`?`
`16:02.45`	`Navi`	`I did start at the Zs`
`16:02.46`	`qwerty12`	`summatusmentis, yes, check echowb`
`16:02.51`	`Navi`	`Z up to M`
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`16:02.59`	`simboss_`	`qwerty12 thanks`
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`16:03.05`	`simboss_`	`I tried to apt-get install it`
`16:03.05`	`Navi`	`>_>`
`16:03.10`	`simboss_`	`but I am getting an error`
`16:03.12`	`simboss_`	`:-(`
`16:03.17`	`simboss_`	`will dig it`
`16:03.19`	`Navi`	`There are a lot of Hs`
`16:03.19`	`qwerty12`	`I think Chinook SDK repo needs to be enabled too`
`16:03.21`	`simboss_`	`:-)`
`16:03.28`	`KotCzarny`	`more like added`
`16:03.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:03.33`	`simboss_`	`yeah I did it`
`16:03.39`	`summatusmentis`	`qwerty12: thanks! I'm getting my N810 tomorrow`
`16:03.48`	`summatusmentis`	`no, I lied, tonight!`
`16:03.51`	`qwerty12`	`summatusmentis, Cool :)`
`16:03.55`	`qwerty12`	`hehe, even better :p`
`16:04.01`	`KotCzarny`	`summatusmentis: optimist`
`16:04.03`	`qwerty12`	`I was so excited to be recieving my N800 :)`
`16:04.24`	`summatusmentis`	`KotCzarny: I pre-ordered yesterday, picking it up at the NokiaUSA store this evening`
`16:04.26`	`Navi`	`I was semi-excited`
`16:04.34`	`Navi`	`owning an N800 sounded like work`
`16:04.40`	`anidel`	`I was really excited.. didn't work that day`
`16:04.43`	`KotCzarny`	`summatusmentis: there will be bombing`
`16:04.50`	`KotCzarny`	`and you won't get your nokia`
`16:04.50`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:04.54`	`summatusmentis`	`I'm excited, because it'll be usable, as compared to Angstrom on my Z >_>`
`16:04.59`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny. Always the optimist.`
`16:05.00`	`summatusmentis`	`KotCzarny: got I hope not`
`16:05.06`	`summatusmentis`	`s/got/god/`
`16:05.26`	`anidel`	`summa: why tonight ?`
`16:06.16`	`Navi`	`anidel, you can hit tab to tab complete a name`
`16:06.22`	`Veggen`	`Navi: work should be fun ;)`
`16:06.28`	`Navi`	`Veggen, lies!`
`16:06.34`	`anidel`	`Navi, oh.. cool :P`
`16:06.38`	`Veggen`	`at least part of the time.`
`16:06.43`	`summatusmentis`	`anidel: I'm at an OpenAFS conference, and after the conference thing today, a bunch of people are going to a pool hall thing, and I'll be right there`
`16:06.44`	`anidel`	`that's why the 'comma':D`
`16:06.46`	`Navi`	`Only part.`
`16:07.00`	`anidel`	`summatusmentis, conference = fun :)`
`16:07.21`	`summatusmentis`	`meh, I'm a summer of code student for OpenAFS, I don't understand most of what they're talking about`
`16:07.29`	`anidel`	`Veggen, it's fun when you find the right job`
`16:07.35`	`Navi`	`Veggen, ironically, if it were fun, I wouldn't be here and the N800 would be sitting in the corner collecting dust anyways :P`
`16:07.51`	`Navi`	`fun all the time*`
`16:08.09`	`anidel`	`summatusmentis, never used AFS.. :/`
`16:08.44`	`Veggen`	`anidel: I have a job that's fun at least part of the time.`
`16:09.04`	`Navi`	`I've only had jobs that were fun never.`
`16:09.04`	`summatusmentis`	`anidel: it's just a distributed filesystem, I'd never heard of it until SoC. But I get to do kernel hacking, and Google is paying me :)`
`16:09.06`	`anidel`	`Veggen, me too..`
`16:09.07`	`Veggen`	`anidel: new year, I was gonna start for a small IP-telephoni-provider. open source-place.`
`16:09.21`	`anidel`	`summatusmentis, I know what it is, but never had the possibility to test it out`
`16:09.29`	`summatusmentis`	`yeah`
`16:09.40`	`Veggen`	`anidel: three days before my last day at my work (where I still am), the new place went out of business. ouch`
`16:09.54`	`Navi`	`heh`
`16:09.55`	`anidel`	`Veggen, so you're forced there still`
`16:09.58`	`summatusmentis`	`anidel: it's kinda cool, I guess. I don't have a lot of use for it, at least, not yet`
`16:10.09`	`Veggen`	`anidel: yah, but I have recovered the fun part of it.`
`16:10.14`	`Veggen`	`took a couple of months.`
`16:10.50`	`anidel`	`summatusmentis, eheh.. I knew about it because I looked at it when designing TCFS years ago`
`16:10.56`	`anidel`	`Veggen, ehehe good enough :)`
`16:11.05`	`summatusmentis`	`anidel: TCFS?`
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`16:11.26`	`anidel`	`summatusmentis, an old fs we developed (Transparent Cryptographic FileSystem)`
`16:11.30`	`Veggen`	`what I do like of it, is that it's a technologically heavy and diversed place. We're 12 people in the department that works with databases, LDAP/authorization, firewalls, some networking, some java application servers, Unix-stuff, web servers, you name it...`
`16:11.40`	`summatusmentis`	`anidel: oh... interesting :)`
`16:11.56`	`anidel`	`Veggen, so you should never be bored`
`16:12.01`	`Veggen`	`anidel: exactly.`
`16:12.20`	`anidel`	`summatusmentis, really. I even planned to port it to the tablet (it's encrypting NFS).. but never had time..`
`16:12.34`	`anidel`	`Veggen, where ?`
`16:12.44`	`summatusmentis`	`some guys here have OpenAFS proted to the tablet`
`16:13.10`	`anidel`	`AFS is still actively developed.. we stopped TCFS years ago.. unfortunately`
`16:13.34`	`qwerty12`	`summatusmentis, Saw a package in app manager somewhere`
`16:13.35`	`Veggen`	`anidel: Well. A somewhat large corporation called EDB.`
`16:13.38`	`summatusmentis`	`mm. Yeah, AFS is kind of exciting.`
`16:13.47`	`summatusmentis`	`qwerty12: yep, I met the guy who did that :)`
`16:13.53`	`qwerty12`	`Cool :)`
`16:13.54`	`anidel`	`Veggen, sorry I meant location:) US, UK, ...`
`16:14.03`	`Veggen`	`Ah, in Norway.`
`16:14.06`	`Veggen`	`(Bergen)`
`16:14.20`	`anidel`	`Veggen, was just for the sake of curiosity..`
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`16:14.51`	`anidel`	`well gotta go now.. soccer match waiting for me :D :D can't wait to play .. talk to you later guys`
`16:15.05`	`qwerty12`	`good luck`
`16:15.12`	`anidel`	`thanks`
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`16:36.01`	`qwerty12`	`Oh, hi RST38x`
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`16:36.29`	`dieman`	`yay, new omweather`
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`16:39.57`	`qwerty12`	`compiling diablo apt takes longer than dpkg :/`
`16:40.50`	`Navi`	`woo`
`16:43.13`	`Navi`	`dneary, bleh`
`16:43.34`	`dneary`	`Navi: I'm away now`
`16:43.36`	`Navi`	`I hate midgard. You made a commit overriding my commit`
`16:43.41`	`dneary`	`Was I blocking you?`
`16:43.44`	`dneary`	`Gah`
`16:43.49`	`dneary`	`I thought that wasn't possible?`
`16:43.54`	`Navi`	`no, you just removed the 12 lines I added`
`16:43.59`	`Navi`	`I think >_>`
`16:44.04`	`dneary`	`Do you have time to merge them?`
`16:44.07`	`dneary`	`I have to go`
`16:44.09`	`Navi`	`Of course`
`16:44.12`	`Navi`	`Bye`
`16:44.17`	`dneary`	`OK, thanks!`
`16:44.53`	`dieman`	`http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/jalopnik/full/~3/295901741/2011-chevy-volt-to-be-priced-under-30000`
`16:44.57`	`dieman`	`ack`
`16:44.57`	`dieman`	`sorry`
`16:44.59`	`dieman`	`wrong channel`
`16:45.06`	`KotCzarny`	`it's over 9000!`
`16:45.08`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`16:51.57`	`qwerty12`	`can't remember how I removed legal message from chinook app manager :(`
`16:52.01`	`qwerty12`	`Hi RST38h`
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`17:06.19`	`chx`	`is http://www.compuplus.com/i-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-PC-02703R1-1011068~.html?sid=hm755qz0pptgg41 this a good price?`
`17:07.17`	`Navi`	`What's the price?`
`17:07.32`	`KotCzarny`	`370`
`17:07.37`	`chx`	`yeah`
`17:07.48`	`chx`	`it begins to look like a price i am willing to shell out :)`
`17:07.51`	`KotCzarny`	`+shipping`
`17:08.35`	`KotCzarny`	`(15$)`
`17:09.06`	`Navi`	`Live in the US?`
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`17:09.17`	`KotCzarny`	`does`
`17:09.32`	`qwerty12`	`Poor guys.`
`17:09.48`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: define 'poor'`
`17:09.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:09.59`	`qwerty12`	`As in unlucky :P :)`
`17:10.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:10.12`	`chx`	`I don't live in the USA`
`17:10.13`	`KotCzarny`	`why unlucky`
`17:10.17`	`chx`	`but why would that be a problem.`
`17:10.24`	`KotCzarny`	`i can move to eu any day`
`17:10.33`	`KotCzarny`	`chx: shipping? :)`
`17:10.44`	`KotCzarny`	`taxes?`
`17:10.51`	`KotCzarny`	`customs?`
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`17:11.10`	`Stskeeps`	`i got 0% customs, except for VAT when importing my n800 from the US, atleast`
`17:11.14`	`khertan`	`Hi !`
`17:11.18`	`Stskeeps`	`(in .dk)`
`17:11.35`	`Navi`	`hi khertan`
`17:11.36`	`KotCzarny`	`vat is customs`
`17:11.37`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`17:11.45`	`KotCzarny`	`imo`
`17:12.21`	`qwerty12`	`Is it me or is ITT down?`
`17:12.27`	`Navi`	`It's you`
`17:12.30`	`KotCzarny`	`darius killed it`
`17:12.34`	`KotCzarny`	`itt`
`17:12.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:12.36`	`qwerty12`	`lol`
`17:12.36`	`chx`	`KotCzarny: hm. hm. uspack.eu handles shipping, that's no problems. taxes and customs, yeah i will pay a little but ... the n800 is double that here.`
`17:12.37`	`khertan`	`pdflush bug again ...`
`17:12.37`	`khertan`	`arg`
`17:12.44`	`khertan`	`so ... reflash ...`
`17:12.51`	`KotCzarny`	`chx: unlucky :>`
`17:12.58`	`KotCzarny`	`chx: order from .fi ?`
`17:12.59`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:13.10`	`chx`	`still very expensive, isn't it.`
`17:13.14`	`chx`	`how much it is in .fi?`
`17:13.19`	`KotCzarny`	`don't know`
`17:13.25`	`KotCzarny`	`but it's in .eu i think`
`17:13.41`	`qwerty12`	`Yeah, part of EU and uses Euro`
`17:13.46`	`qwerty12`	`doesn't like Euro`
`17:13.58`	`khertan`	`doesn't like too`
`17:14.04`	`KotCzarny`	`pf`
`17:14.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Don't think so, khertan.`
`17:14.07`	`qwerty12`	`I'm glad we still have Pound :)`
`17:14.17`	`KotCzarny`	`all your countries are belong to nwo`
`17:14.57`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty12: yeah, and no privacy`
`17:14.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`17:15.31`	`qwerty12`	`Meh, Bush administration are world leaders in privacy.`
`17:15.49`	`KotCzarny`	`arm in arm with .gb`
`17:15.50`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:16.08`	`KotCzarny`	`hates globalization`
`17:16.38`	`term-sig`	`KotCzarny: bollocks.. then why u buy n800?`
`17:16.49`	`KotCzarny`	`term-sig: because it was cheap`
`17:16.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:17.56`	`qwerty12`	`loves it in g33k language that they use std as standard...`
`17:19.20`	`KotCzarny`	`57D`
`17:19.28`	`qwerty12`	`BIG`
`17:19.33`	`simboss_`	`guys anyone here ever used swig directly on the n800?`
`17:19.43`	`KotCzarny`	`what's swig?`
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`17:19.52`	`simboss_`	`SWIG`
`17:19.57`	`qwerty12`	`A drink?`
`17:20.02`	`simboss_`	`tool to write wrappers around c++ code`
`17:20.04`	`simboss_`	`for python`
`17:20.06`	`simboss_`	`java etc....`
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`17:23.32`	`KotCzarny`	`happy hardcore ftw!`
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`17:24.08`	`qwerty12`	`ocaml not ftw. stuff's takin ages to compile`
`17:24.47`	`KotCzarny`	`what are you compiling? amule?`
`17:24.48`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`17:25.01`	`qwerty12`	`v.close, mldonkey`
`17:25.08`	`KotCzarny`	`ah, yes`
`17:25.14`	`KotCzarny`	`i was thinking about mldonkey`
`17:25.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:25.39`	`KotCzarny`	`but since i tried amule i'm not going back`
`17:25.39`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:25.46`	`qwerty12`	`My general rule is, if something takes ages to compile, odds are that it's gonna crap out on you.`
`17:25.54`	`qwerty12`	`I'll look into amule later :)`
`17:26.01`	`KotCzarny`	`needs wxwidgets`
`17:26.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:26.23`	`qwerty12`	`I have that installed from messing with truecrypt iirc`
`17:26.27`	`KotCzarny`	`and it has a crazy deps (on debian)`
`17:27.41`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:28.17`	`qwerty12`	`\|> Ludacris - Act A Fool :/`
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`18:05.48`	`ravious`	`anyone know if its possible to auto mount a sshfs share from the fstab? or perhaps on network start?`
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`18:22.24`	`Jaffa`	`train connects to test Virgin's "enhanced mobile phone coverage on this train"`
`18:23.02`	`keesj`	`who is this Darius`
`18:24.11`	`Jaffa`	`keesj: a trolling fool, IMHO`
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`18:25.41`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Sounds like a joker, anyone got any of his highlights?`
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`18:27.23`	`Jaffa`	`qwerty12_N800: How about when he suggested maemo was an mS conspiracy because Reggie used a hotmail or MSN account in the ITT registration.`
`18:27.34`	`keesj`	`Also I don't really get this google group thing , the page looks like sh*t`
`18:27.45`	`Jaffa`	`s/mS/Microsoft/`
`18:27.59`	`qwerty12_N800`	`i had to lol :/`
`18:27.59`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: Who was that?`
`18:28.08`	`RST38h`	`the meanwhile guy?`
`18:28.33`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Darius Jack or somesuch`
`18:28.58`	`keesj`	`bad karma[tm]`
`18:29.24`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: Next time, direct him here: http://www.flexyx.com/A/Aminazin.html`
`18:31.12`	`Jaffa`	`heh`
`18:31.46`	`lcuk`	`yawns and stretches`
`18:32.40`	`roope`	`Yeah, Darius is a classic. :)`
`18:33.34`	`RST38h`	`btw, is the meanwhile guy still kicking?`
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`18:34.12`	`Yjo`	`any one in the UK here?`
`18:34.15`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Darius was funny, meanwhile was annoyingly stupid.`
`18:34.23`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I am :/`
`18:34.31`	`Jaffa`	`Not seen him recently`
`18:34.39`	`Jaffa`	`UK too`
`18:34.56`	`Yjo`	`I'm looking to ask a cheeky offtopic about which mobile provider to go with to use as a modem for my N800...`
`18:35.12`	`Jaffa`	`Currently speeding through - err - Northamptonshire on the West Coast Mainline`
`18:35.41`	`Yjo`	`i dont want to pay £++ for kB--. any ideas?`
`18:35.51`	`roope`	`it's a bit sad that there is generally a strong correlation between some person being especially passionate about something and the same person being really wrong about it.`
`18:36.07`	`Jaffa`	`Yjo: if you want lots of data, 3 have good deals. As does T-Mobile`
`18:36.34`	`Jaffa`	`very very strongly agrees with roope`
`18:37.02`	`Yjo`	`Jaffa: do they let you use it through DUN/bluetooth? I know some providers distringuish phone browsing and external data, if they even allow the latter`
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`18:38.17`	`Jaffa`	`Yjo: they both do AIUI. I'm on Vodafone at the moment, wouldn't not recommend them, but wouldn't recommend them either`
`18:39.33`	`Yjo`	`Jaffa: ok, thanks. Am with 3 atm, but amn't much impressed`
`18:39.57`	`Jaffa`	`Ah, fair enuf`
`18:44.12`	`fadec`	`does anyone know the earliest version of maemo to support GtkBuilder? It's undefined in the gtk+2.0 2:2.6.10-1.osso23 version of libgtk2.0-0 that's on Gregale.`
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`18:44.37`	`fadec`	`And it's there on chinook`
`18:45.20`	`fadec`	`i guess it would be the earlies to support 2.12 of gtk`
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`18:57.06`	`EruditeHermit`	`hey, does anyone know what software is needed to make camera flip and startup internet call on camera pop out work on an n800`
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`19:07.45`	`EruditeHermit`	`and is it possible to damage the camera so that it doesn't detect the pop out or rotate`
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`19:10.41`	`corevette`	`i want to install maemo 2007 HE...which image do i pick....1st, 2nd, 3rd or latest image?`
`19:11.31`	`qwerty12_N800`	`This is pure guess but my logic says the latest.`
`19:12.22`	`solmumaha`	`unless latest means 2008he`
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`19:12.45`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Fair enough`
`19:12.58`	`corevette`	`should i use 2008 hacked edition?`
`19:13.21`	`solmumaha`	`i recommend latest 2007he`
`19:13.38`	`corevette`	`so latest 2007 he or 2006? is 2006 more stable?`
`19:13.58`	`EruditeHermit`	`2007`
`19:14.11`	`corevette`	`is it more stable EruditeHermit ?`
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`19:14.51`	`EruditeHermit`	`I haven't used either but 2007 is supposed to be an improvement and it was also tested for a long time unlike 2008HE`
`19:14.56`	`summatusmentis`	`what is hacked edition? what does that entail?`
`19:15.16`	`summatusmentis`	`penguinbait: you did the KDE thing, right?`
`19:15.20`	`qwerty12_N800`	`summatusmentis, It's dodgy rlses for 770 :p`
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`19:15.34`	`summatusmentis`	`qwerty12_N800: oh, only for 770? ok`
`19:15.38`	`penguinbait`	`nice eh!`
`19:15.54`	`summatusmentis`	`what's nice?`
`19:16.16`	`penguinbait`	`KDE`
`19:16.24`	`qwerty12_N800`	`As soon as i get round to repartitioning my cards, i must install kde off mmc :)`
`19:16.34`	`summatusmentis`	`oh, I haven't used it, I'm getting my N810 tonight`
`19:16.41`	`summatusmentis`	`but I was wondering how usable it is`
`19:17.00`	`penguinbait`	`http://penguinbait.com/zelda.png`
`19:17.10`	`penguinbait`	`i am using it right now`
`19:17.24`	`penguinbait`	`810 much better than 800`
`19:17.36`	`penguinbait`	`but it works good to`
`19:17.37`	`NullM0dem`	`nice`
`19:17.48`	`NullM0dem`	`looks good penguinbait`
`19:18.09`	`penguinbait`	`just put out new version last night`
`19:18.19`	`summatusmentis`	`penguinbait: how slow is it?`
`19:18.25`	`NullM0dem`	`I love my n810, make sure you reformat the internal card.`
`19:19.18`	`penguinbait`	`it has a slightly long load time but once up works grezt`
`19:19.24`	`summatusmentis`	`hmm`
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`19:19.33`	`summatusmentis`	`I'm looking for a working office suite`
`19:19.38`	`summatusmentis`	`I'm ok to let it load for a while`
`19:19.50`	`penguinbait`	`7-10 seconds to start konqueror`
`19:19.55`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lifeguard would reboot my n800 sometimes in kde :/`
`19:20.06`	`NullM0dem`	`penguinbait: how much of a hit does battery life take switching away from maemo?`
`19:20.10`	`summatusmentis`	`penguinbait: but it's full konq?`
`19:20.17`	`qwerty12_N800`	`s/lifeguard/watchdog`
`19:20.19`	`summatusmentis`	`intriguing`
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`19:20.31`	`penguinbait`	`full kde with koffice and cups`
`19:20.34`	`penguinbait`	`hahaha`
`19:20.51`	`penguinbait`	`its a freaking litttle linux box`
`19:21.08`	`NullM0dem`	`<3 n810`
`19:21.09`	`summatusmentis`	`koffice doesn't support MS formats :-/`
`19:21.53`	`summatusmentis`	`penguinbait: what version of KDE is it?`
`19:22.00`	`penguinbait`	`3.5.8`
`19:22.22`	`penguinbait`	`qt I think 3.3.8`
`19:22.42`	`summatusmentis`	`oh, any plans to go to 4?`
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`19:23.15`	`penguinbait`	`no time soon`
`19:23.21`	`summatusmentis`	`mm`
`19:23.33`	`penguinbait`	`lets see what nokia does`
`19:23.49`	`summatusmentis`	`oh, they just bought trolltech, that's right`
`19:24.15`	`summatusmentis`	`I keep forgetting the N810 has 2GB internal`
`19:26.09`	`RST38h`	`kde must be dead slow on n810`
`19:26.21`	`qwerty12_N800`	`It's not bad`
`19:26.41`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Not brilliant either though but i wasn't booting from sd`
`19:26.59`	`penguinbait`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20317`
`19:27.14`	`penguinbait`	`if you want to install`
`19:28.50`	`starkmjolk`	`I got my 8GB mini-SD today, now just waiting for the n810 to arrive too :)`
`19:29.00`	`qwerty12_N800`	`really needs to figure out how to add lcuk's cpufreq mod to acmonitor`
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`19:29.44`	`NullM0dem`	`starkmjolk: what miniSD did you buy?`
`19:29.57`	`NullM0dem`	`im about to look for one myself`
`19:30.36`	`penguinbait`	`I am heard the 16gb microsdhc due out in june`
`19:30.44`	`NullM0dem`	`yes!`
`19:30.46`	`summatusmentis`	`newegg only has the minisd cards up to 2gb`
`19:31.03`	`NullM0dem`	`i htought i saw a patriot 8gb there last week :()`
`19:31.12`	`starkmjolk`	`NullM0dem: ebay, OEM 8GB 150x card`
`19:31.13`	`NullM0dem`	`one of the comments said it worked well on the n810`
`19:31.33`	`summatusmentis`	`I might just go microsd, and then use the minisd adaptor`
`19:31.45`	`penguinbait`	`I am stkcking with micro, so they will go into whatever hardware comes next`
`19:31.51`	`starkmjolk`	`I had problem finding fast microsd cards`
`19:31.57`	`penguinbait`	`hopefully`
`19:32.16`	`summatusmentis`	`oh, I was just looking at the mini sd, not sdhc`
`19:33.12`	`NullM0dem`	`I have always liked the idea of carrying thousands of book on my body <3`
`19:33.45`	`summatusmentis`	`there are 4GB micro sdhc cards on newegg for < $20!`
`19:33.48`	`NullM0dem`	`if you realistically coverd your self with sd cards filled with books, how much do you think you could carry on person?`
`19:34.06`	`starkmjolk`	`I payed $34 + shipping for the 8GB`
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`19:35.12`	`starkmjolk`	`that came out here right? (:`
`19:35.26`	`summatusmentis`	`all the 8GB ones are > $50`
`19:36.01`	`starkmjolk`	`4GB is equivalent price to about $80 here in sweden, 8GB doesn't even exist :)`
`19:36.37`	`summatusmentis`	`really?`
`19:36.55`	`starkmjolk`	`yes`
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`19:37.36`	`starkmjolk`	`25% VAT + normal higher euro price + very weak USD`
`19:37.53`	`summatusmentis`	`why are the euro prices higher?`
`19:37.53`	`starkmjolk`	`= makes a very good case for personal imports :)`
`19:38.05`	`lopz`	`hi ;)`
`19:38.15`	`starkmjolk`	`because all corporations around the world hates euroland? I don't know really, just always are`
`19:38.28`	`summatusmentis`	`weird`
`19:38.30`	`summatusmentis`	`hi lopz`
`19:38.38`	`starkmjolk`	`hi :)`
`19:38.43`	`lopz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:38.49`	`NullM0dem`	`how does one change thier text color in xchat`
`19:39.14`	`qwerty12_N800`	`from the grey? no idea :/`
`19:39.22`	`summatusmentis`	`hold on, I used to know`
`19:39.35`	`NullM0dem`	`i opened the window at my desk and cannot see what i write`
`19:39.41`	`starkmjolk`	`am I the only one in here not on an internet tablet btw? :)`
`19:39.53`	`summatusmentis`	`preferences -> colors?`
`19:39.59`	`summatusmentis`	`starkmjolk: no, I'm on my macbook`
`19:40.09`	`qwerty12_N800`	`starkmjolk, Probably not ;) :p`
`19:40.14`	`starkmjolk`	`k. :)`
`19:41.45`	`lcuk`	`qwerty12_N800, what do you mean add it? i've been using it now for a couple of weeks, and its not quite perfect`
`19:42.35`	`lcuk`	`there is something missing, and i think i am going to need to make myself a proper full addin with ui to configure and set it up`
`19:42.56`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lcuk, I'm a noob, i shoved the code into the acmonitor.c and compiled it and nothing happened. i don't blame your code.`
`19:43.10`	`lcuk`	`lol ahhh..`
`19:44.07`	`lcuk`	`even if you got it running, the modification i made was designed to do absolutely zero unless i manually configured it`
`19:44.15`	`qwerty12_N800`	`i'm probably gonna try making it use a gconf value, be easier on me`
`19:44.17`	`qwerty12_N800`	`ah`
`19:45.08`	`lcuk`	`but now i have been using it its still lacking. i need to learn about proper hardware events - there is no point in running at performance speed even if charging if the device itself is locked`
`19:45.14`	`RST38h`	`X-FadeL Still here?`
`19:45.33`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: Just tried updating SSH key and then dput - it still fails`
`19:45.45`	`qwerty12_N800`	`kaput`
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`19:46.04`	`qwerty12_N800`	`sorry, couldn't resist`
`19:46.14`	`RST38h`	`yep`
`19:46.32`	`RST38h`	`One thing I know for sure is that I am NEVER changing that key again`
`19:46.36`	`RST38h`	`Security or not.`
`19:47.16`	`qwerty12_N800`	`heh. anyone know if you can make mce run a program on shutdown?`
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`20:01.15`	`LoCusF`	`anyone else getting "Failed to write hash table" while installing the latest statusbarclock?`
`20:01.39`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Large or normal?`
`20:01.49`	`LoCusF`	`large`
`20:02.12`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Ah, haven't tried it yet`
`20:02.46`	`LoCusF`	`ah, I had too little disk space`
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`20:04.11`	`AmirZod`	`folks, hello`
`20:04.51`	`AmirZod`	`I'm been trying to find out if the normal PIM can be done and how on N810 before considering purchasing`
`20:05.15`	`AmirZod`	`calendaring, addressbook, notes and email`
`20:05.35`	`AmirZod`	`can it be synced (how) with a desktop linux (what application)`
`20:06.07`	`starkmjolk`	`good question :) mine is ordered and will arrive within a few days I hope :)`
`20:06.18`	`starkmjolk`	`clawsmail should take care of the email part just fine`
`20:06.35`	`starkmjolk`	`as for the rest, I don't know yet. I'll find out as time goes. :)`
`20:06.44`	`qwerty12_N800`	`or modest (default in diablo)`
`20:06.55`	`starkmjolk`	`ah, right.`
`20:07.19`	`AmirZod`	`starkmjolk - where would you post your findings?`
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`20:08.03`	`starkmjolk`	`as planned, nowhere :(`
`20:08.06`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Claws is more powerful but Modest is much more suited to the tablet.`
`20:08.30`	`AmirZod`	`:-(`
`20:08.32`	`starkmjolk`	`and I'm basically full scheduled till 9th of june so no strong efforts before then I'm affraid`
`20:09.02`	`AmirZod`	`I just don't want to go back to Palm TX, if I have another choice`
`20:09.15`	`AmirZod`	`as a PIM`
`20:09.22`	`AmirZod`	`and other niceties`
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`20:09.45`	`starkmjolk`	`qwerty12_N800: does either have a decent address book? somewhat like evolution under gnome?`
`20:10.30`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Not sure, never used claws personally but i'll check modest`
`20:11.00`	`starkmjolk`	`ah, thanks :)`
`20:11.30`	`starkmjolk`	`my n810 was sent from china monday so should be here early next week, I'll find out for sure then anyway :P`
`20:11.40`	`starkmjolk`	`just curious :)`
`20:12.02`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Well diablo's modest opens the built in address book which sucks :p`
`20:12.13`	`AmirZod`	`where to get reasonable prices on N810?`
`20:12.18`	`qwerty12_N800`	`There is gpe with google syncing`
`20:13.28`	`starkmjolk`	`gpe as the one in familiar linux?`
`20:13.45`	`summatusmentis`	`yep`
`20:13.59`	`summatusmentis`	`qwerty12_N800: I assume you mean gpe-calendar`
`20:14.19`	`qwerty12_N800`	`yes, graham cobb packages`
`20:14.28`	`starkmjolk`	`has that been updated since 1993? :P`
`20:14.44`	`summatusmentis`	`does it matter if it works?`
`20:14.52`	`summatusmentis`	`I think GPE still has upstream and stuff`
`20:15.24`	`starkmjolk`	`not really for the calendar part, but I just remember the frustration with my iPAQ a few years ago. of course most of the faults where to blame on HP though :)`
`20:15.49`	`summatusmentis`	`using GPE as an env is annoying...`
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`20:23.50`	`RST38h`	`IT WORKED IT WORKED`
`20:25.40`	`Cptnodegard`	`viagra?`
`20:25.42`	`Cptnodegard`	`runs`
`20:25.50`	`starkmjolk`	`;)`
`20:26.35`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lmao`
`20:31.09`	`RST38h`	`Cptn: dput`
`20:31.45`	`Cptnodegard`	`is that an insult or what was really working?`
`20:31.50`	`Cptnodegard`	`:D`
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`20:32.41`	`huats`	`Hi guys`
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`20:33.02`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I still like viagra idea better. I need to go to Canada to viagra falls :p`
`20:33.10`	`qwerty12_N800`	`*to see`
`20:33.24`	`Cptnodegard`	`dick -vv`
`20:33.40`	`huats`	`Does anyone of you know if there is a new place for the like the gronmayer page for repositories since this one seems broken ?`
`20:33.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`<============================`
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`20:34.27`	`qwerty12_N800`	`huats, no :( but you see google cache`
`20:34.36`	`qwerty12_N800`	`you can see*`
`20:34.43`	`huats`	`broken too... qwerty12_N800`
`20:34.46`	`huats`	`:`
`20:34.46`	`huats`	`(`
`20:35.01`	`huats`	`I mean the page is alse broken on the cache`
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`20:35.15`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Hmm, i found working one few days ago but forgot how :(`
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`20:35.27`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Any package in particular?`
`20:35.27`	`huats`	`:(`
`20:35.35`	`huats`	`not really`
`20:35.46`	`huats`	`I just broke my scratchbox`
`20:36.03`	`huats`	`and I want to put it in with a fews stuffs more than the one I have`
`20:36.04`	`huats`	`..`
`20:36.12`	`huats`	`can you pastebin your ?`
`20:36.24`	`qwerty12_N800`	`is on 15th install`
`20:36.25`	`RST38h`	`Heh, that has been N810 finally making wifi connection`
`20:36.37`	`qwerty12_N800`	`don't really have any repos :/`
`20:36.40`	`huats`	`:)`
`20:36.52`	`huats`	`ok`
`20:36.52`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: still installing sb?`
`20:37.12`	`qwerty12_N800`	`RST38h, no`
`20:37.33`	`huats`	`I need the repo that gives python2.5`
`20:37.35`	`huats`	`at least`
`20:37.37`	`huats`	`...`
`20:37.48`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I need to figure out how to get 2008 toolchain to work though`
`20:37.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`huats, search pymaemo`
`20:38.06`	`qwerty12_N800`	`it's in extras`
`20:38.20`	`penguinbait`	`sweet kopete is using flite and reading everything that is typed`
`20:40.07`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: thx`
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`20:41.01`	`qwerty12_N800`	`seeing as i'm stealing lcuk's ideas, i'll make the cpufreq run in powersave when booting from charger at initfs time`
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`20:55.20`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: is it just me who cannot update my available packages ?`
`20:55.38`	`huats`	`apparently garage.maemo.org is not respondig to apt-get update ?`
`20:55.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`garage isn't a repo`
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`20:57.04`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: sorry`
`20:57.14`	`huats`	`I was meaning : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/`
`20:57.44`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hmm, i'll try updating my repos on my n800`
`20:58.10`	`huats`	`ok`
`20:58.12`	`huats`	`thanks`
`20:58.18`	`Blastur`	`hehe,.. ive just spent the last 1½ hour outside trying to get fix with the n810 gps`
`20:58.22`	`Blastur`	`it's _impossible_`
`20:58.35`	`Cptnodegard`	`lmao`
`20:58.38`	`Cptnodegard`	`get a BT one`
`20:58.41`	`Blastur`	`at one point i was at 75% fix (maemo mapper)`
`20:58.45`	`Cptnodegard`	`i normally get a fix withint 10-20 sec`
`20:58.48`	`Blastur`	`but then it started moving backwards ;)`
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`20:59.01`	`Cptnodegard`	`lol!`
`20:59.04`	`Blastur`	`well, i would rather return the entire unit`
`20:59.09`	`starkmjolk`	`anyone know what GPS chipset is on the n810?`
`20:59.12`	`Blastur`	`something is seriously broken`
`20:59.13`	`Cptnodegard`	`get a n800`
`20:59.39`	`Cptnodegard`	`the gps is fine when its a real one and not the integrated shit. only heard bad things about it`
`21:00.58`	`starkmjolk`	`in theory there shouldn't have to be a difference, the integrated uses the same tech as the one -integrated- into the BT unit`
`21:01.42`	`qwerty12_N800`	`huats, I would update if my cpu wasn't 100% and not doing anything :/`
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`21:02.24`	`Blastur`	`perhaps the gps antenna is disturbed by the electronics? maybe bad pcb layout etc`
`21:02.30`	`Blastur`	`it has happened before to products..`
`21:03.02`	`starkmjolk`	`hm, possible...`
`21:03.12`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: :(`
`21:03.18`	`huats`	`just let me know :)`
`21:03.29`	`starkmjolk`	`I'll be getting a n810 in a few days, I hoped the gps would work decently. would be sweet on the bike ;)`
`21:03.43`	`starkmjolk`	`(cba getting a car :P)`
`21:03.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`i've read on here that chipset is shittest from ti range and it's meant to be used with agps. agps is being tested @ nokia`
`21:04.31`	`blafasel`	`qwerty12_N800: What means "is being tested"? Is it possible that we might get to use it?`
`21:05.22`	`starkmjolk`	`I haven't read up on agps but doesn't it use mobile antenna triangulation too?`
`21:05.22`	`qwerty12_N800`	`it's an internal atm. the diablo gpsdriver has support for agps. i guess we will see in final diablo.`
`21:05.38`	`Blastur`	`when will diablo release then?`
`21:05.38`	`qwerty12_N800`	`You connect phone via bluetooth`
`21:05.51`	`blafasel`	`qwerty12_N800: Did anyone from here test it with the leaked diablo?`
`21:05.55`	`starkmjolk`	`ah, clever :)`
`21:05.56`	`qwerty12_N800`	`i dunno, i'm running beta`
`21:06.08`	`qwerty12_N800`	`blafasel, the agps app isn't leaked`
`21:06.12`	`Blastur`	`what is AGPS?`
`21:06.21`	`Blastur`	`doesn't that require internet connectivity?`
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`21:08.42`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: still not being able to update ?`
`21:09.17`	`qwerty12_N800`	`not really trying, i have some downloads running and don't want to mess them up`
`21:10.12`	`summatusmentis`	`agps == assisted gps`
`21:10.19`	`summatusmentis`	`a lot of cell networks use it`
`21:10.24`	`huats`	`ok`
`21:10.44`	`Blastur`	`you mean gps data is transmitted over gsm net?`
`21:10.52`	`Blastur`	`which the n810 can pickup to get faster fix?`
`21:10.54`	`qwerty12_N800`	`ok, my repos updated fine`
`21:10.55`	`huats`	`does anybody with extras repos enabled can try an apt-get update`
`21:11.03`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: ok`
`21:11.16`	`summatusmentis`	`Blastur: no, I think what it does is triangulates based on promximity to cell toweres`
`21:11.19`	`summatusmentis`	`-e`
`21:11.20`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: can you pastebin me your sources.list then ?`
`21:12.10`	`qwerty12_N800`	`deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free`
`21:12.16`	`qwerty12_N800`	`that's extras line`
`21:12.25`	`qwerty12_N800`	`the rest is diablo stuff`
`21:12.31`	`huats`	`sq`
`21:12.35`	`huats`	`qwerty12_N800: ok`
`21:12.40`	`huats`	`that is mine...`
`21:12.41`	`huats`	`weird`
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`21:24.15`	`fireun`	`every time I try to copy files to my nokia, over usb from a linux box, it hangs at the end, and wont let go.`
`21:24.36`	`fireun`	`you cant kill the copy process, you cant unmount it, if you use nautilus it freezes up and you have to nuke it`
`21:24.51`	`fireun`	`even doing it in a term window, with cp, you cant ctrl-c it, or kill it`
`21:24.54`	`fireun`	`CRAZY!`
`21:24.57`	`fireun`	`whats going on?`
`21:25.35`	`Knirch`	`probably actually transfering the file`
`21:25.54`	`fireun`	`but I can access the file and its all there`
`21:26.03`	`Knirch`	`odd, check dmesg`
`21:26.08`	`fireun`	`nothing`
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`21:30.55`	`fireun`	`how long should 100MB take to transfer over?`
`21:31.14`	`fireun`	`maybe yer right, maybe its backgrounded the copy flush/sync`
`21:31.50`	`fireun`	`its just frustrating that I cant ctrl-C a cp process`
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`21:36.56`	`fireun`	`I'm sure my trouble is from the fact that I have a 770, and not an 810`
`21:37.12`	`blackdeath`	`i have a 810`
`21:37.14`	`fireun`	`because the 770 was relegated to the scrap heap as soon as nokia sold the 800`
`21:37.37`	`blackdeath`	`whats wrong with it`
`21:37.37`	`fireun`	`can I send in my two 770s in trade for an 810(w/wimax) ?`
`21:37.42`	`fireun`	`unstable`
`21:37.53`	`blackdeath`	`what do you meqn?`
`21:38.02`	`fireun`	`cant stream music for long before the music player freaks`
`21:38.07`	`Blastur`	`why would it become unstable because of new product releases?`
`21:38.08`	`fireun`	`and I have to reboot`
`21:38.22`	`fireun`	`Blastur: it was never really stable to begin with`
`21:38.34`	`blackdeath`	`true`
`21:38.50`	`blackdeath`	`did u mese with it`
`21:39.12`	`Blastur`	`fireun: hehe ok :)`
`21:39.23`	`Blastur`	`whats this wimax anyway? seems like no-one uses it here`
`21:39.30`	`blackdeath`	`ehh`
`21:39.39`	`fireun`	`Blastur: its new still`
`21:39.48`	`blackdeath`	`i only see good use if your in a city`
`21:40.05`	`Blastur`	`does it work with standard wifi aps?`
`21:40.12`	`blackdeath`	`yeah`
`21:40.24`	`Blastur`	`oh, really? hm`
`21:40.28`	`Blastur`	`whats different with it?`
`21:40.29`	`blackdeath`	`its just wifi for big area's`
`21:40.42`	`Blastur`	`just more power to transmitter?`
`21:40.47`	`blackdeath`	`and theres most likely money in volved`
`21:41.03`	`Blastur`	`completely compatible with 802.11a/b/g ?`
`21:41.06`	`blackdeath`	`to pay for the fee of wimax`
`21:41.07`	`blackdeath`	`yeah`
`21:41.17`	`blackdeath`	`i have the 810 with out`
`21:41.23`	`fireun`	`nokia is going wimax because they cut a deal with Sprint's new network`
`21:41.27`	`fireun`	`which uses wimax`
`21:41.34`	`Blastur`	`i got the n810 with wifi too`
`21:41.34`	`blackdeath`	`yup`
`21:41.36`	`fireun`	`voip of the future`
`21:41.52`	`fireun`	`your battery will likely be happier without the extra wimax`
`21:42.02`	`fireun`	`still waiting for this copy to finish`
`21:42.05`	`blackdeath`	`yes`
`21:42.06`	`fireun`	`seriously, shouldnt take this long`
`21:42.21`	`blackdeath`	`no i wish there was a extented batteray`
`21:42.21`	`fireun`	`I bet it would work fine from windows, or macos`
`21:42.22`	`Blastur`	`fireun: over USB, i can copy like 1 gb in a few minutes`
`21:42.27`	`Blastur`	`( to my n810 )`
`21:42.35`	`fireun`	`Blastur: exactly, why is my 770 just hanging`
`21:42.41`	`fireun`	`because its not supported`
`21:42.46`	`fireun`	`and no one wants to fix it`
`21:42.57`	`fireun`	`gar. I bought a linux device for I thought, a good reason.`
`21:43.02`	`blackdeath`	`there might be a solution`
`21:43.09`	`blackdeath`	`what os 2008?`
`21:43.21`	`Blastur`	`you mean nokia doesn't want to fix it? isn't all kernel hw modules propriatery code in maemo?`
`21:43.35`	`fireun`	`blackdeath: i've tried most all of them, I might be running the latest HE2007`
`21:43.46`	`fireun`	`Blastur: thats why they dont want to fix it`
`21:43.51`	`blackdeath`	`hmhm`
`21:43.56`	`fireun`	`they dont open up thing to be fixed by those would would like to`
`21:44.05`	`Blastur`	`it's a big difference between being able to fix it, and want to fix it :)`
`21:44.32`	`fireun`	`its like my old compaq aero, ran the portable windows, but when they came out with the new windows-mobile or whatever, it was tossed.. nice color screen and everything, useless.`
`21:44.34`	`fireun`	`junked.`
`21:44.46`	`blackdeath`	`CE?`
`21:44.47`	`fireun`	`I'm just saying, dont go half way`
`21:44.57`	`fireun`	`blackdeath: it -was- CE`
`21:45.02`	`fireun`	`for like a year`
`21:45.08`	`blackdeath`	`i had a jornada with ce`
`21:45.16`	`fireun`	`one OS version hardware sucks.`
`21:45.25`	`blackdeath`	`yeah`
`21:45.39`	`fireun`	`I dont want big upgrades, I just want the stability and standards followed.`
`21:45.41`	`fireun`	`thats all.`
`21:45.50`	`blackdeath`	`n810 isent perferct`
`21:45.58`	`Blastur`	`n810 is far from perfect`
`21:46.02`	`fireun`	`if it reboots randomly with heavy wifi, there seems to be a bug in the networking code, right?`
`21:46.11`	`lcuk`	`it depends what you want to do with it`
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`21:46.38`	`fireun`	`if I cant browse local wifi nodes unless I cover the 770 with my body to shield it from the noisy neighborhood, theres a bug in the networking browser code, right?`
`21:47.04`	`Blastur`	`fireun: why did you get 2 n770 if you are so unhappy with them? :)`
`21:47.09`	`lcuk`	`i went on holiday and had something small and handy to code and develop on. for me the end product IS the incomplete expandable base`
`21:47.10`	`fireun`	`supposedly there is a conflict with 802.11n broadcasts, but.. meh.`
`21:47.18`	`fireun`	`Blastur: thats not a good argument`
`21:47.19`	`blackdeath`	`my cell + n810 = blackdeath's internet every where`
`21:47.35`	`Blastur`	`i wasn't arguing, i was just curious`
`21:47.40`	`blackdeath`	`i kn`
`21:47.48`	`Blastur`	`my n810 also suffers from spontaneous reboots`
`21:47.52`	`blackdeath`	`eh`
`21:47.54`	`fireun`	`Blastur: then its a bad question (:`
`21:47.59`	`blackdeath`	`mine dosent`
`21:48.02`	`Blastur`	`not sure if its because of heavy wifi though`
`21:48.02`	`fireun`	`Blastur: I find that wierd`
`21:48.10`	`blackdeath`	`even with my kernal mods`
`21:48.12`	`Blastur`	`and it has only happened once so far`
`21:48.23`	`fireun`	`Blastur: should be fairly controlled, being a near embedded device`
`21:48.24`	`Blastur`	`but the browser crashes quite often`
`21:48.51`	`fireun`	`Blastur: look, I used to write code for embedded systems, I would have been fired repeatedly if my stuff was half as unstable as the 770`
`21:49.04`	`fireun`	`Blastur: eh, I could deal with the browser crashing`
`21:49.16`	`fireun`	`Blastur: you cant hope for it to handle every freaky website out there.`
`21:49.17`	`Blastur`	`i know the feeling, i'm also an embedded developer ;-)`
`21:50.16`	`blackdeath`	`<fireun> have you looked a zarus`
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`21:50.19`	`fireun`	`Blastur: I bought two because I found the second for 110$ and it spread out my initial purchase of 400$ over two devices - and why buy one, when you can buy two? I didnt want to become so attached to it that if it died, I'd have no recourse but to buy something really expensive`
`21:50.20`	`Blastur`	`unfortunately, you cannot expect companies to perfect products before launch.. there is a tradeoff between stability and time-to-market`
`21:50.42`	`fireun`	`but this isnt before launch anymorre`
`21:50.48`	`fireun`	`this is 2 product releases later after the initial release`
`21:50.59`	`lcuk`	`the current browser feels is a big fat desktop program crammed inside the box, from what I hear the improvements in diablo are quite substantial`
`21:51.02`	`fireun`	`if they didnt share 90% of the code base, they werent doing it right`
`21:51.24`	`Blastur`	`apparently not!`
`21:51.44`	`fireun`	`anyhow, all I want to do is copy a file, and at the moment I find it impossible`
`21:51.48`	`fireun`	`its still hung up`
`21:52.00`	`Blastur`	`yeah.. do you get the same behaviour on both devices?`
`21:52.08`	`fireun`	`havnt tried`
`21:52.19`	`fireun`	`only one has the 2G card, the other has the stock 65MB`
`21:52.32`	`Blastur`	`perhaps you should.. to rule out hardware failure,..`
`21:52.42`	`fireun`	`yeh`
`21:52.43`	`Blastur`	`and perhaps try it with a 2nd PC, could be linux issue on the other end`
`21:53.01`	`fireun`	`you'd think linux-linux would be better supported than windows-linux`
`21:53.03`	`fireun`	`oh well`
`21:53.10`	`fireun`	`I know I'm just ranting, cant help it.`
`21:53.21`	`fireun`	`everything sucks these days`
`21:53.23`	`Blastur`	`i had very weird usb behaviour on linux a while back, where it could not handle the power savings on the controller applied`
`21:53.44`	`Blastur`	`(it went to sleep)`
`21:53.48`	`fireun`	`yeah well, power management in linux is a joke`
`21:53.53`	`Blastur`	`which caused all kinds of freaky behaviour`
`21:54.06`	`fireun`	`I have to manually control the cpuspeed to get a system that doesnt run the fan all the time`
`21:54.08`	`Blastur`	`perhaps your controller is falling asleep during copy? :) that could maybe cause it to hang`
`21:54.56`	`fireun`	`Blastur: I feel like a programmer again`
`21:55.01`	`fireun`	`Blastur: having to debug everything (:`
`21:55.14`	`Blastur`	`yeah, know the feeling.. i do it every freaking day at work :(`
`21:55.15`	`fireun`	`I should be paid for my efforst`
`21:55.19`	`Blastur`	`debugging embedded is a bitch`
`21:55.28`	`fireun`	`its not that bad`
`21:55.31`	`Blastur`	`printk ftw`
`21:55.40`	`fireun`	`depends on your debug tools`
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`21:55.52`	`fireun`	`in system debugging is much better`
`21:55.56`	`Blastur`	`well, we have mostly in-house stuff, since we have our own cpu arch`
`21:56.11`	`Blastur`	`we cant use stuff like valgrind, kmemcheck or kdbg`
`21:56.28`	`fireun`	`in-house cpu? ouch`
`21:56.42`	`Blastur`	`fortunately, we are moving to a mips core in the next product.. cheer`
`21:56.59`	`Blastur`	`now, bedtime! gnite .. gl with the debuggin'`
`21:57.00`	`fireun`	`I was happy when we moved to -real- memory, not page flipping`
`21:57.14`	`fireun`	`Blastur: cheers`
`21:59.03`	`fireun`	`I need a job, anyone hiring? (:`
`22:01.06`	`fireun`	`I'm a bit rusty, but come up to speed quick.`
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`22:19.34`	`ljp`	`i think both Nokia and Trolltech are hiring`
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`22:24.21`	`fireun`	`as is always the case, they only want to evaluate the ones that have the perfect resume of doing only what they want, and have multiple degrees. So unless I come up with a project that I write up to run on the maemo platform, I have no "in". (:`
`22:25.22`	`fireun`	`rather than the attitude of, "if we give you a small tool to rewrite and you do that well, and we progressivly give you more responsibility and you always work out... yer hired!" (:`
`22:25.45`	`fireun`	`google is remarkable in some ways`
`22:25.53`	`fireun`	`but even they require the best of degrees.`
`22:26.02`	`ljp`	`I guess you will never know unless you try`
`22:26.11`	`fireun`	`as is anything in life`
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`22:27.47`	`rm_you`	`heh`
`22:27.49`	`ljp`	`I know of several people, including developers at Trolltech that do not have degrees, but have plenty of experience`
`22:28.13`	`rm_you`	`I wonder if I should apply after I graduate next year :P`
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`22:28.40`	`rm_you`	`they'd prolly be like... come back in 5 years :P`
`22:29.01`	`ljp`	`jr developers are also needed, I believe`
`22:29.33`	`fireun`	`wow, they use lotus notes`
`22:29.35`	`fireun`	`crikey`
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`22:31.10`	`rm_you`	`you on an application page fireun?`
`22:31.21`	`fireun`	`erm?`
`22:31.31`	`rm_you`	`what are you looking at?`
`22:31.34`	`fireun`	`got an error from an outdated page`
`22:32.34`	`fireun`	`yeah, I have like 7 years experience as an embedded coder, but in the last half dozen I've done something else`
`22:33.09`	`fireun`	`mostly R&D, but for this last job which was a big disappointment`
`22:33.26`	`fireun`	`I thought it was more important to live where I wanted, than work at what I did best`
`22:33.46`	`fireun`	`one of those life lessons, but it still makes my resume look sideways`
`22:34.54`	`fireun`	`so far, the HR department is what kills me first, if my resume makes it to an engineer they usually go "oh wow, yeah, sure he can learn on the job... he clearly shows ability to do good work wherever he works - we should get him while we can!" (:`
`22:35.13`	`rm_you`	`:)`
`22:35.16`	`fireun`	`but the HR department sheep go "uh, wha? huh? oh, no degree - JUNK"`
`22:35.42`	`rm_you`	`yeah, I would love to work on maemo, but if they put me somewhere in their phone development team, i would die`
`22:35.49`	`fireun`	`right`
`22:36.00`	`rm_you`	`it's hard, but i'm desperately trying to get a job in Open Source <_<`
`22:36.05`	`rm_you`	`or at least something close`
`22:36.05`	`fireun`	`R&D support seems to be my fit`
`22:36.22`	`rm_you`	`and maemo is probably the closest I could get`
`22:36.33`	`fireun`	`I've been out of work for a month and a half, I dont want to go hungry either, waiting for the right job`
`22:36.40`	`rm_you`	`yeah :/`
`22:36.56`	`blackdeath`	`has any one played with blueserial?`
`22:36.58`	`fireun`	`and yet, put me in tech support and I'd die even quicker`
`22:37.06`	`blackdeath`	`on any of the nokia's`
`22:37.12`	`rm_you`	`heh yeah...`
`22:37.14`	`rm_you`	`blueserial?`
`22:37.17`	`blackdeath`	`yah`
`22:37.28`	`blackdeath`	`i cant get t to work on the 810`
`22:37.37`	`blackdeath`	`i found a part of 770`
`22:37.38`	`rm_you`	`googles it`
`22:37.41`	`blackdeath`	`port`
`22:37.47`	`blackdeath`	`yeah`
`22:37.52`	`ljp`	`trolltech puts about equal weight on experience as degree`
`22:37.58`	`fireun`	`rm_you: I like the job where the engineer/team says "heres this thing we've figured out the major parts, but it needs some solder, some glue code, and some debugging in a real world setting - here, break it if you can, fix it if you might - just make it better like we know you can"`
`22:38.09`	`rm_you`	`heh`
`22:38.11`	`blackdeath`	`rm_you: i have a binary that dosnt work`
`22:38.26`	`fireun`	`ljp: the trolltech libraries are so much cleaner than the gtk crap, but their cosmetic appeal sucks.`
`22:39.08`	`fireun`	`seems like the difference between gtk "grown" and qt "engineered"`
`22:39.30`	`rm_you`	`yeah QT always made me squirm...`
`22:39.38`	`fireun`	`and I have no appreciable experience with qt - but really, its just libraries you have to learn the api for, mostly.`
`22:40.07`	`fireun`	`copy and paste from some other project the first time, then tweak it, then eventually rewrite it the way you think it should be implemented, debug and clean.. done.`
`22:40.23`	`rm_you`	`yeah`
`22:40.29`	`rm_you`	`i've gotten decently good at that`
`22:40.43`	`rm_you`	`just from fixing people's class projects <_<`
`22:40.56`	`fireun`	`creating in a void is very, very difficult`
`22:41.02`	`rm_you`	`yeah, but fun`
`22:41.03`	`fireun`	`zero point energy`
`22:41.10`	`fireun`	`sure, very rewarding`
`22:41.14`	`rm_you`	`most of the projects I do start from complete scratch`
`22:41.17`	`fireun`	`but again, wash rinse repeat`
`22:41.22`	`rm_you`	`just wrote a CMS from scratch in 9 months`
`22:41.27`	`starkmjolk`	`there is no emacs22 port for maemo right? :)`
`22:41.28`	`rm_you`	`it was very fun`
`22:41.43`	`fireun`	`rm_you: oh, well I've worked in a big company where it was more efficient to reuse existing code so as to keep total code size down`
`22:41.51`	`rm_you`	`got to lead a small team for the project too :P`
`22:41.54`	`ljp`	`fireun: Qt can look like gtk, if you like.`
`22:42.08`	`fireun`	`waves his hands, then goes to take a shower`
`22:42.12`	`rm_you`	`heh`
`22:42.14`	`rm_you`	`ttyl`
`22:42.20`	`rm_you`	`heads to dinner`
`22:42.43`	`ljp`	`gets back to work`
`22:43.54`	`starkmjolk`	`heads for bed`
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`22:44.11`	`rwhitby`	`starkmjolk: there should be - emacs22 runs on the Linksys nslu2`
`22:44.39`	`rwhitby`	`(so it's not a resource problem if it's not compiled for maemo yet)`
`22:44.44`	`starkmjolk`	`is nslu2 ARM?`
`22:44.57`	`rwhitby`	`yeah, but not armel`
`22:45.11`	`rwhitby`	`and definitely not maemo-compatible`
`22:45.19`	`starkmjolk`	`I run it on a armel xscale, so it exists`
`22:45.38`	`starkmjolk`	`thecus N2100 with debian armel runs it just fine`
`22:45.48`	`rwhitby`	`should run fine on maemo then`
`22:46.00`	`rwhitby`	`someone just needs to package it`
`22:46.41`	`starkmjolk`	`we'll see if I get that much into it :) otherwise I'll run most stuff over SSH so no problem then`
`22:48.28`	`starkmjolk`	`ah, google first. :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189`
`22:48.35`	`starkmjolk`	`it's already done`
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`22:57.37`	`starkmjolk`	`:)`
`22:58.39`	`starkmjolk`	`anyway, I was supposed to sleep. good night! :)`
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