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| 00:26.33 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 00:26.39 | KotCzarny | morning |
| 00:27.52 | m-c | good morning, KotCzarny |
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| 00:30.24 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4557 |
| 00:30.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:30.35 | KotCzarny | offtopic, but funny |
| 00:30.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:33.13 | m-c | I do not have my sound on, does it click as the dial spins back into place? |
| 00:33.59 | m-c | if so, that's terrifically retro |
| 00:34.34 | shapr | I do wish the dial actually clicked the number of times that was dialed though. |
| 00:34.55 | shapr | That's how rotary phones worked, they sent clicks to tell a physical rotor to spin that much. |
| 00:35.17 | shapr | We had that sort of purely physical exchange in my town when I was in high school. |
| 00:36.46 | shapr | I knew far too much about phone systems at that point in my life. |
| 00:38.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:38.31 | m-c | I was part of a network of computers that passed information from one local calling area to another, so we could pass messages across the state without paying long-distance charges. :) lots of information in those phone systems |
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| 00:39.03 | NullM0dem | m-c: bbs :) |
| 00:39.10 | m-c | loved to stare at the local calling area maps, like I was placing units on a risk map |
| 00:39.50 | NullM0dem | heh me too |
| 00:40.36 | shapr | m-c: FIDOnet? |
| 00:40.57 | m-c | actually, they wouldn't let us into fidonet, so we started our own net with the same software |
| 00:41.03 | shapr | cool |
| 00:41.20 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 00:41.23 | KotCzarny | forkers |
| 00:41.32 | m-c | yeah, and I just saw an interview with the guy who made it, who said he never intended it to be used as a centralized system |
| 00:41.51 | m-c | so, actually, the fork was exactly as he intended |
| 00:42.39 | m-c | called it yoginet and we got it all over the little state where I grew up, covered the whole thing. might still be running |
| 00:43.58 | m-c | fidonet is still running and relevant - it is used where the internet data (but not data telephone calls) are censored |
| 00:44.27 | shapr | Yeah, fidonet was much like UUCP |
| 00:44.33 | shapr | m-c: Dude, we're old. |
| 00:44.36 | KotCzarny | ssh over fido, mm |
| 00:44.38 | m-c | Vietnam and Russia were used as an example |
| 00:44.57 | m-c | have you seen The BBS Documentary ? |
| 00:45.05 | shapr | No? |
| 00:45.13 | m-c | http://www.bbsdocumentary.com |
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| 00:45.14 | shapr | I was a heavy BBS addict during my teens though. |
| 00:45.16 | m-c | well worth purchasing |
| 00:45.42 | shapr | hah, I recently bought a Hayes 14.4k courier at a thrift store for $1.00 |
| 00:45.43 | m-c | no dvd encryption, lots of extras, fascinating stories, nice quality |
| 00:45.50 | shapr | The courier was awesome. |
| 00:45.56 | m-c | :-) |
| 00:46.16 | shapr | I remember learning about trellis coded modulation and all that other stuff... |
| 00:46.19 | m-c | oh, creative commons licensed |
| 00:46.25 | shapr | What was the thing that had levels from 1 to 10? |
| 00:46.31 | shapr | microcom or something? |
| 00:46.43 | shapr | mnp? Microcom networking protocol? |
| 00:46.45 | m-c | dunno |
| 00:47.06 | m-c | I spent all my time working on my BBS, as long as the modem picked up, I was happy |
| 00:47.33 | KotCzarny | and that was at the time without free local calls |
| 00:47.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:47.37 | shapr | I liked the technology. |
| 00:47.43 | m-c | and when I had to take it down for repairs, I learned I could twist the two copper telephone cables together to make the line busy |
| 00:48.00 | shapr | heh |
| 00:48.53 | shapr | Ah yes, it was MNP, levels 1 through 10. |
| 00:48.59 | m-c | oh right |
| 00:49.45 | m-c | I was thinking about going back to modems again, just because I am sick of paying $70 for internet, then I remembered how dog slow they were and how each packet has 300 ms of latency |
| 00:49.47 | NullM0dem | m-c: i worked for a bbs when i was 13 - 14, we used TP board and fido net |
| 00:50.08 | NullM0dem | you would have to make a BBS type protal |
| 00:50.23 | m-c | they had such portals even way-back-when |
| 00:50.39 | NullM0dem | i was thinking about that today |
| 00:50.42 | m-c | was the start of isps |
| 00:50.45 | NullM0dem | Im sick of the current state of the net |
| 00:50.51 | m-c | AGREED |
| 00:50.54 | shapr | I'm sort of unhappy with both my internet and my cellphone.. I noticed that there are wimax base stations that go for only $1500 USD |
| 00:50.54 | NullM0dem | BLOAT!!!!!! |
| 00:50.58 | m-c | I am getting into community wifi |
| 00:51.09 | NullM0dem | like mesh? |
| 00:51.10 | shapr | But I haven't found any client hardware that uses the unlicensed bands. |
| 00:51.12 | m-c | I say, let's get back to sharing only our community owned information |
| 00:51.15 | m-c | yes, like mesh |
| 00:51.17 | shapr | Yeah, mesh networks rock! |
| 00:51.21 | shapr | 802.11s, w00! |
| 00:51.28 | NullM0dem | w00t! |
| 00:51.43 | shapr | Speaking of N800... |
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| 00:51.53 | m-c | http://www.open-mesh.com |
| 00:52.13 | shapr | I wanted to get the WiMAX edition until I discovered that it does not do the unlicensed WiMAX bands, and thus I would not be able to use it with wimax base station hardware that I could purchase myself for $1500. |
| 00:52.23 | NullM0dem | m-c: arm based |
| 00:52.36 | m-c | what's wrong with arm based ? |
| 00:52.42 | NullM0dem | im really into the idea of low power mesh |
| 00:52.44 | NullM0dem | nothing |
| 00:52.45 | shapr | Now if someone figures out a way to hack the N800 WiMAX edition to use the unlicensed bands, I am totally buying it! |
| 00:53.00 | NullM0dem | n810 WiMAX |
| 00:53.02 | NullM0dem | i htink |
| 00:53.11 | m-c | I think the whole idea of wimax is for cell phones to take over the wifi |
| 00:53.21 | shapr | NullM0dem: Well, whatever. |
| 00:53.25 | m-c | I am not all that happy nokia is heading in that direction |
| 00:53.25 | NullM0dem | how about just hack the usb to attach to a device that uses unlicensed bands |
| 00:53.39 | shapr | m-c: Yeah, but I'm only buying into that if I get the open-ness of wifi, not the closed-ness of cellphones. |
| 00:53.51 | NullM0dem | ive never owned a cell |
| 00:53.53 | m-c | yes, iphone closed is bad |
| 00:53.58 | shapr | The big benefit of wifi is that each device is a peer, it can be a server or a client. |
| 00:54.02 | m-c | NIT open is good |
| 00:54.11 | NullM0dem | love nit |
| 00:54.14 | shapr | The big downside of wimax is that the clients cannot be peers (not that I can see). |
| 00:54.43 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 00:54.57 | shapr | So unless I can buy client devices that handle unlicensed bands for which I can buy base stations, I'm not doing that. |
| 00:55.02 | KotCzarny | the problem with local communities is that there is no free pr0n |
| 00:55.04 | m-c | is that a bigger downside than (1) it doesn't work inside, and (2) high latency, (3) doesn't scale? |
| 00:55.11 | KotCzarny | and other licensed stuff |
| 00:55.18 | KotCzarny | (music, games, etc) |
| 00:55.24 | shapr | m-c: Explain? |
| 00:55.30 | m-c | KotCzarny: guess you never visited my bbs? ;) |
| 00:55.44 | KotCzarny | m-c: well, i'm theoretically talking about perfect world |
| 00:55.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:55.45 | m-c | shapr: there are lots of problems with implementing wifi |
| 00:55.56 | shapr | NIT isn't as open as I wish it were.. I wish I could inject 802.11 frames with it. |
| 00:56.13 | m-c | KotCzarny: just about every bbs has an adult section, but it was rarely advertised |
| 00:56.23 | NullM0dem | KotzCzarny: i have a friend who has dl's pr0n since the 95 96 era has multiple terayte raid just for it |
| 00:56.33 | shapr | Wow, that guy needs a girlfriend. |
| 00:56.39 | m-c | the bbs operators had "all access passes" to the other systems, in the area. I had a good idea what everyone else ran |
| 00:56.42 | NullM0dem | he has a wife |
| 00:56.47 | KotCzarny | nm: but it has the 'stolen stuff' badge |
| 00:56.52 | NullM0dem | they ate both into it |
| 00:56.55 | KotCzarny | hasn't it? |
| 00:56.55 | shapr | m-c: Yeah, being full peers is worth the downsides of wifi. |
| 00:56.56 | m-c | NullM0dem: that's so awesome |
| 00:56.56 | NullM0dem | yeah true |
| 00:57.02 | shapr | NullM0dem: wow |
| 00:57.05 | NullM0dem | yeah |
| 00:57.10 | NullM0dem | i think its hilarious |
| 00:57.32 | NullM0dem | spent almost 2k on a backup system and raid setup just for pr0n |
| 00:57.52 | m-c | it was so bad, too |
| 00:57.53 | KotCzarny | he should watch it on a high speed |
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| 00:57.58 | KotCzarny | or mixed together |
| 00:58.03 | KotCzarny | usually fixes such fixations |
| 00:58.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:58.10 | NullM0dem | He is not one of those holed in parents basements geeks either |
| 00:58.30 | KotCzarny | anyway, the problem with mesh network is it's limited bandwidth/latency ? |
| 00:58.34 | m-c | most of it was black and white and such bad resolution you had to use your imagination to figure it out |
| 00:58.36 | NullM0dem | yeah mplaer *pron.avi |
| 00:59.03 | NullM0dem | like the C64 pron??? |
| 00:59.10 | KotCzarny | m-c: imagination is the only working part |
| 00:59.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:59.13 | NullM0dem | asacii |
| 00:59.15 | NullM0dem | ascii |
| 00:59.23 | NullM0dem | you had to stand back |
| 00:59.31 | m-c | remember waiting 90 seconds for a high resolution playboy scan to load, and thinking my computer was going to explode from all the information |
| 00:59.59 | m-c | by hi-res, I mean 300x400 or something. ;) |
| 01:00.12 | shapr | Has anyone tried the mesh networking olsrd for the NIT? |
| 01:00.14 | m-c | well, maybe not that bad, but it was pretty sad |
| 01:00.20 | shapr | I had an amusing filesharing idea for the NIT... |
| 01:00.47 | shapr | set up ad-hoc networking, and an http server, and an http client that searches for certain fixed strings on others http servers. |
| 01:01.00 | m-c | can a NIT be used for ad-hoc networking? |
| 01:01.05 | KotCzarny | m-c: yes |
| 01:01.09 | shapr | So when you walk by some other NIT user on the street, you both check each other's file listings for whatever files you want. |
| 01:01.09 | m-c | huh |
| 01:01.18 | shapr | Physical file sharing can't be seen by the RIAA. |
| 01:01.44 | KotCzarny | shaper: unless someone turns you in |
| 01:01.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:01.50 | shapr | How would they know it's you? |
| 01:01.56 | shapr | I keep my NIT in my pants pocket. |
| 01:02.02 | m-c | mac address? |
| 01:02.07 | KotCzarny | shapr: how do you know firmware isn't spying on you? |
| 01:02.09 | shapr | You can change your mac address. |
| 01:02.15 | m-c | how? |
| 01:02.15 | ds3 | anyone irritated by the hover feature on ITT? |
| 01:02.23 | KotCzarny | and since gps is embedded they could know you by your habits? |
| 01:02.28 | shapr | KotCzarny: I don't know that... that's one thing I don't like about binary blobs :-( |
| 01:02.29 | KotCzarny | ie. credit card + time |
| 01:02.44 | KotCzarny | + location |
| 01:03.01 | KotCzarny | + a big world wide db |
| 01:03.03 | m-c | nokia uses your mac address (printed next to the NIT battery) to identify your system |
| 01:03.04 | shapr | m-c: On the 770, you can insmod the cx3110x driver with the mac address. |
| 01:03.17 | KotCzarny | mac address can be changed |
| 01:03.25 | shapr | There's a mac changer app for the N800, I assume it works the same way. |
| 01:03.35 | KotCzarny | at least some people had theirs broken when playing with initfs etc |
| 01:03.36 | m-c | would like to change it. |
| 01:03.58 | KotCzarny | but it doesn't need mac address to spy on you |
| 01:03.59 | m-c | I think everyone should change their mac address monthly |
| 01:04.02 | shapr | I tried to figure out how to hack the driver to inject 802.11 frames directly, but never could figure it out. |
| 01:04.07 | KotCzarny | your activity is much better proof |
| 01:04.18 | m-c | mac addresses are generally how your isp tracks you |
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| 01:05.00 | m-c | much harder to compile a list of all the websites you visited when you change your mac address |
| 01:05.05 | KotCzarny | shapr: usb-wifi dongle? |
| 01:05.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:05.21 | KotCzarny | m-c: nope, cookies, ips etc |
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| 01:05.32 | KotCzarny | assume everything is logged |
| 01:05.54 | m-c | fine to assume, but your isp uses your mac address |
| 01:05.59 | shapr | KotCzarny: If I could get either the 770 or the N800 to inject frames, I could use the 770 + 800 that I own to do paired injection and sniffing, and they could coordinate over bluetooth. |
| 01:06.31 | m-c | I regularly flip bits on my wifi router for that purpose |
| 01:07.22 | m-c | oh, also, does the NIT use an open source wifi driver? |
| 01:07.33 | KotCzarny | not quite |
| 01:07.38 | shapr | The 770 uses the cx3110x driver, I don't know about the N800 |
| 01:07.50 | KotCzarny | shapr: n800 too |
| 01:07.57 | KotCzarny | though with newer blob |
| 01:08.08 | shapr | In that case, it's not really oss, since it requires a firmware binary blob. |
| 01:08.45 | KotCzarny | astorm played with newer kernel and found out it's almost working prism54 over spi |
| 01:08.46 | shapr | As far as I know, there is only one bit of hardware that does not use a binary blob for wifi, that's the BUG from buglabs.net |
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| 01:08.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:09.05 | shapr | Well, portable hardware... ath5k will be blob-free, iirc. |
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| 01:09.40 | shapr | KotCzarny: spi? |
| 01:09.45 | KotCzarny | kind of bus |
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| 01:10.04 | shapr | Yeah, but do you mean it's almost working with the n800? |
| 01:10.08 | m-c | someone told me the wifi drivers are rarely open because it would allow the card to be used in the licensed wireless spectrum |
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| 01:10.24 | m-c | truth to that statement? |
| 01:10.24 | shapr | m-c: That's the claim, but I think it's gezeik. |
| 01:10.40 | KotCzarny | shapr: that it all the pieces look fitting but someone has to hack on it to get it working |
| 01:10.46 | shapr | m-c: The rationale behind that is that most wifi devices are actually software defined radio devices. |
| 01:11.49 | m-c | hmm |
| 01:12.01 | m-c | that's too bad |
| 01:12.03 | KotCzarny | so, free the band? |
| 01:12.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:12.06 | shapr | m-c: So the wifi device manufacturers claim that if they released sufficient specifications that a truly oss driver could be written... then users would be able to violate the FCC's rules by broadcasting outside the wifi frequencies, or outside the power limits. |
| 01:12.26 | KotCzarny | and move licensed bands to exclusive freq unreachable by customer devices? |
| 01:12.29 | m-c | isn't that like saying because software might let you do something illegal, no one can let you look at it? |
| 01:12.43 | shapr | m-c: Yes, I think so. |
| 01:13.11 | KotCzarny | if you make something hard to do for most of the people it's less likely being done |
| 01:13.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:13.23 | KotCzarny | people are stupid |
| 01:13.27 | KotCzarny | and ignore warnings |
| 01:13.34 | KotCzarny | and etiquette |
| 01:14.28 | m-c | KotCzarny: because you might plot to rob a bank, I have to stop you from using IRC |
| 01:14.43 | m-c | sorry - you have to go --- right now - bye |
| 01:14.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:14.54 | m-c | ;-) |
| 01:15.02 | shapr | Anyway, that's the explanation the wifi device makers have given. |
| 01:15.22 | shapr | On the other hand, devices like the GNU USRP are legally for sale. |
| 01:15.35 | KotCzarny | wouldn't it be possible to make a hw limiter and make sw open? |
| 01:15.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:15.50 | shapr | So it seems to me that some enterprising device driver should get their device certified under the software defined radio device rules instead, and then sell it. |
| 01:16.14 | m-c | from what I hear - you do not want to screw with the fcc |
| 01:16.35 | shapr | KotCzarny: Yes, but I've heard that it's more expensive to make purpose specific hardware than it is to make very general hardware, limit it by software, and then sell different models for different prices. |
| 01:16.36 | m-c | so, that's probably why they make it hard to use their devices hard to mod |
| 01:16.55 | m-c | frankly, I am surprised we have been allowed to use wireless phones and wifi |
| 01:17.13 | m-c | always felt like I was doing something bad by transmitting data |
| 01:17.18 | shapr | For example... I have a Cambridge Silicon Radio bluetooth dongle that cost me $17USD... |
| 01:17.29 | KotCzarny | you transmit data all the time |
| 01:17.38 | KotCzarny | body works on electricity |
| 01:17.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:17.43 | shapr | With the right firmware, that dongle becomes a very expensive bluetooth sniffer. |
| 01:17.46 | m-c | heh - guess so |
| 01:18.05 | ds3 | shapr: got a legitimate source for the said firmware? |
| 01:18.21 | shapr | No, and of course I have never downloaded or used anything like that. |
| 01:18.35 | m-c | OT: I am looking for a USB WiFi dongle for my linux desktop. any one know of one? |
| 01:19.01 | ds3 | the RT73 based ones work |
| 01:19.03 | shapr | ds3: Seen http://www.remote-exploit.org/research/busting_bluetooth_myth.pdf ? |
| 01:19.12 | ds3 | shapr: *nod* |
| 01:19.16 | m-c | trying not to use nsdiswrapper |
| 01:19.53 | ds3 | RT73 has native drivers... rumor has it the latest kernel's RT2x00 driver will work for them (never tried, just tried the older rt73 driver) |
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| 01:20.22 | KotCzarny | yeah, rt2x00 made into kernel |
| 01:20.28 | ds3 | shapr: there is a reason I am asking for legitimate source of it :) |
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| 01:26.32 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.32 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:26.43 | m-c | :) |
| 01:27.12 | m-c | shapr: so is that your project now? bt sniffing? |
| 01:27.30 | m-c | ... speaking of gaining wisdom ... |
| 01:27.35 | m-c | ;-) |
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| 01:27.52 | m-c | interesting paper though |
| 01:30.50 | KotCzarny | Venezuelan broadcasting regulator Conatel has forced The Simpsons off the air during the morning cartoon hours, calling it a bad influence on children, and replaced it with ... Baywatch! |
| 01:30.51 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 01:34.43 | Sebboh- | hi. I'm interested in a mobile device, but I don't know which one. Can any of you give me some advice? I'd like to find something that meets these requirements: Fast cell-phone network internet access (3g I guess?), a camera with better than VGA, and GPS. And, preferably, an open development platform! :) |
| 01:36.42 | KotCzarny | iphone? |
| 01:36.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:37.15 | KotCzarny | no gsm on n8x0 for now |
| 01:37.19 | Sebboh- | iPhone 1.x doesn't have any of those requirements. :) (Oh, I love it, I own one.) |
| 01:37.33 | KotCzarny | you may wait some more |
| 01:37.46 | KotCzarny | there should be many interesting devices released this year |
| 01:38.13 | Sebboh- | kot, any particular ones I should keep an eye on? |
| 01:38.47 | m-c | Sebboh-: you know these maemo devices do not run on cell networks |
| 01:38.59 | KotCzarny | sebboh: omap3 |
| 01:39.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:39.02 | m-c | which are closed-technologies |
| 01:39.18 | KotCzarny | there is a rumour about n900 |
| 01:39.29 | KotCzarny | but no actual annoucments |
| 01:39.37 | KotCzarny | so it's not a promise |
| 01:39.42 | KotCzarny | but omap3 chips are there |
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| 01:39.52 | KotCzarny | and they bring much power to the market :) |
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| 01:41.46 | Sebboh- | m-c, huh? none of the maemo devices support cell networks? Hm, yes, that makes sense.. The iPhone sorta threw a cog in the works when we got root access to the cell radio, huh? :) I noticed that mere months after that, the big providers introduced unlimited minutes plans; presumably in anticipation of skype-over-cellular-IP.. |
| 01:42.06 | KotCzarny | sebboh: not directly |
| 01:42.11 | KotCzarny | but you can tether to a phone |
| 01:42.24 | KotCzarny | and use it to provide inet for you |
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| 01:43.02 | m-c | I use a cell phone and bluetooth to enable my device to access the internet. t-mobile has had unlimited internet data plans for years, in the usa |
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| 01:51.40 | mrglinux | hi what's different between nokia n810 and n810 wimax ? |
| 01:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | N810W has a WiMAX radio and is black/orange. |
| 01:53.25 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: just this? so it's better than n810 |
| 01:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | If you want WiMAX or REALL REALLY like black/orange. |
| 01:53.56 | beford | lol |
| 01:53.56 | m-c | does it also have wifi |
| 01:54.02 | m-c | as well ? |
| 01:54.07 | beford | yes |
| 01:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | m-c, it's an N810 with a WiMAX radio slapped on. |
| 01:54.15 | m-c | hmm |
| 01:54.49 | m-c | makes it hard to dislike something with all the openness of the N810 with a bit of optional closedness ;) |
| 01:55.02 | mrglinux | and has it light behind key's of keyboard ? like mobile's |
| 01:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's some closedness or nothing. |
| 01:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | mrglinux, N810 has blue/white light |
| 01:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | N810W has orange/white light |
| 01:55.33 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 01:55.47 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: which one do you suggest ? |
| 01:55.54 | GeneralAntilles | Here's a bad shot: http://www.nokiainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nokia-n810-hands-on-06.jpg |
| 01:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have any use for WiMAX? |
| 01:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | Are you in a covered area? |
| 01:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | Are you willing to spend ~$40 a month for mobile broadband coverage? |
| 01:56.25 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: no i think so ..but it is a tool |
| 01:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Can you not easily substitute 3g or EDGE for mobile coverage? |
| 01:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | The N810W is somewhere in the range of $70-$120 more expensive looking at street prices. |
| 01:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | (well, it's not actually out yet) |
| 01:58.24 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: hmm.. i want buy one.. is see 415$ for n810 and 449$ n810w http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/phonefinder.asp?search=search&chkCriteria=24&chkCriteria=25&chkCriteria=31&chkCriteria=53&chkCriteria=19&chkCriteria=36&chkCriteria=45&chkCriteria=28&chkCriteria=30 |
| 01:58.43 | mrglinux | but i dont knoiw yet where do i buy it |
| 01:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | You should be able to get the N810 for closer to $380 if you shop around. |
| 01:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe wait for some deals. |
| 01:59.05 | mrglinux | sure |
| 01:59.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.nokiainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nokia-n810-hands-on-06.jpg |
| 01:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 01:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3 |
| 01:59.19 | GeneralAntilles | That ^ |
| 01:59.29 | mrglinux | ok |
| 02:00.00 | mrglinux | i buy it from ebay |
| 02:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | Another option. |
| 02:00.32 | mrglinux | for example? |
| 02:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | ebay |
| 02:02.22 | mrglinux | are they certain ? because ech low price maybe have problem or ... |
| 02:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta be careful when shopping on ebay. |
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| 02:03.51 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:03.52 | smackpotato | where is webkit for qt do we have to compile it |
| 02:04.41 | GeneralAntilles | Presumably in the Qt repo. |
| 02:05.38 | smackpotato | i wonder what its called |
| 02:05.40 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles which one do u have ? |
| 02:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | N800 |
| 02:05.48 | beford | I read a couple days ago on this channel that qt4.4 + webkit was in the repo |
| 02:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | I have no desire for a hardware keyboard and underpowered GPS |
| 02:06.26 | smackpotato | ya its on the maemo page today |
| 02:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 02:07.23 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: is both of camera same?(n800 and n810) i would like to see a picture of it to see the quality of that |
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| 02:07.59 | KotCzarny | ah, and n810 has light sensor |
| 02:08.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:08.11 | KotCzarny | and sunlight readable screen |
| 02:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | mrglinux, http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2094/1730346304_e45eb6001b_o.jpg |
| 02:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | The N810's camera is apparently very slightly improved. |
| 02:09.56 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles is it 2 mega pixel ? |
| 02:10.00 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 02:10.10 | KotCzarny | it's noisy. |
| 02:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | 640*480 |
| 02:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | Less for webcam |
| 02:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's a webcam |
| 02:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | not a photo camera |
| 02:10.34 | KotCzarny | and doesn't have a flash |
| 02:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | If you want a photo camera, pick up a Canon A-series for $200. ;) |
| 02:10.52 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 02:11.02 | KotCzarny | or second hand nikon for a 50$ |
| 02:11.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:11.24 | mrglinux | not important :-D just linux and programing ..and easy to work.... |
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| 02:12.39 | KotCzarny | you can always try sdk |
| 02:12.46 | KotCzarny | it has an emulator included |
| 02:15.07 | tank-man | the screen on both the n810 and n800 look the same to me under sunlight |
| 02:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | You're nuts, then, tank-man. ;) |
| 02:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/1628207429/ |
| 02:16.00 | tank-man | i compared it once on a sunny day |
| 02:16.25 | m-c | gen : which do you think is better? |
| 02:16.38 | KotCzarny | depends on personal views |
| 02:16.40 | KotCzarny | and needs |
| 02:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 looks like this in sunlight: http://mconnick.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/nokia_n800_main.jpg |
| 02:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | I think the N800 is better because I already have one and don't need another N810 with GPS and a keyboard. ;) |
| 02:17.16 | tank-man | not even the same angle |
| 02:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | Factoring in price differences, I still say N800 |
| 02:17.19 | GeneralAntilles | But that's just me. |
| 02:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | tank-man, it's a joke. |
| 02:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | You can't read the N800 in sunlight. |
| 02:17.29 | m-c | :) |
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| 02:17.37 | m-c | I can't either |
| 02:17.46 | Sebboh- | GeneralAntilles, is there a good photo camera with a keyboard? :) |
| 02:18.00 | Sebboh- | (or on screen keyboard) |
| 02:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | Why would a camera need a keyboard? |
| 02:18.12 | KotCzarny | for tagging |
| 02:18.17 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 02:18.23 | KotCzarny | but some use .wav for that |
| 02:18.36 | EruditeHermit | is there a camera with built in microwave? |
| 02:18.47 | KotCzarny | eh: you mean wifi ? |
| 02:18.49 | EruditeHermit | I've always wanted that functionality |
| 02:18.55 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 02:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | The feds put cameras in your microwave |
| 02:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | to watch you watching your leftovers |
| 02:19.09 | shapr | The camera on my n800 is pretty bad. |
| 02:19.14 | EruditeHermit | yep |
| 02:19.19 | KotCzarny | more light! |
| 02:19.28 | EruditeHermit | I could never get it to work with SIP either |
| 02:19.36 | EruditeHermit | 1 way camera works |
| 02:19.51 | Sebboh- | anybody who has ever used an n800 or an iPhone knows why I want a portable computer with a decent camera. I *love* the n95's camera. (symbian, though? eh...) |
| 02:19.57 | EruditeHermit | but getting both the laptop video and n800 video never works |
| 02:20.21 | Sebboh- | And the n95 only has a keypad, right? |
| 02:20.23 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: I was kidding around with the microwave |
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| 02:20.56 | KotCzarny | eh: but wifi operates in microwave freq, afair |
| 02:21.21 | Sebboh- | yes, wifi, wimax, cellphones, etc, all in the microwave range. |
| 02:21.30 | m-c | shapr: I pointed the n800 camera through some binoculars - worked pretty good! |
| 02:21.40 | Sebboh- | m-c heh. |
| 02:21.42 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 02:21.48 | KotCzarny | hell of a mod |
| 02:21.49 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:22.13 | m-c | was still grainy and fuzzy, but I took a picture of a boat 8 miles away |
| 02:22.22 | KotCzarny | o.O |
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| 02:24.52 | mrglinux | how is quality of hardware .. i mean .. is it easy to damage for example if it fall down on the floor :-D (like my cellphone ) |
| 02:25.24 | KotCzarny | anything can break if you are unlucky |
| 02:25.34 | KotCzarny | (and if device isn't certified for such abuse) |
| 02:25.40 | GeneralAntilles | I've dropped my N800 more than once |
| 02:25.43 | EruditeHermit | I've dropped it a few times |
| 02:25.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's fine. |
| 02:26.04 | EruditeHermit | my camera keeps popping out when I drop it though |
| 02:26.04 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 02:26.10 | m-c | dropped his N800 many, many times. |
| 02:26.11 | mrglinux | :)good |
| 02:26.18 | m-c | also just sent it in for repairs. |
| 02:26.31 | KotCzarny | 'dropped it for repairs' ? |
| 02:26.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:26.54 | EruditeHermit | if anyone wants to send an n810 my way, feel free |
| 02:27.12 | m-c | I will get right on that |
| 02:27.29 | EruditeHermit | so who is going to hildonize OOo now that it has compiled for armel |
| 02:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 02:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | Just use Abiword. . . . |
| 02:28.00 | EruditeHermit | and the gimp |
| 02:28.18 | EruditeHermit | abiword is limited |
| 02:28.21 | KotCzarny | why do you need it hildonized? |
| 02:28.25 | KotCzarny | it will work without too |
| 02:28.31 | EruditeHermit | because I don't have an n810 =p |
| 02:28.39 | EruditeHermit | softkbd |
| 02:28.55 | KotCzarny | you don't need hildonization for that |
| 02:28.58 | KotCzarny | just use xvkbd |
| 02:28.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:29.31 | EruditeHermit | hey is it possible to run matchbox on a desktop i386? |
| 02:29.38 | EruditeHermit | with hildon support |
| 02:29.38 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 02:29.51 | EruditeHermit | suppose one were to buy a tablet PC |
| 02:29.53 | KotCzarny | thought it's not so bright idea |
| 02:30.02 | KotCzarny | hates matchbox |
| 02:30.04 | EruditeHermit | well I don't particularly like matchbox |
| 02:30.06 | EruditeHermit | but |
| 02:30.16 | EruditeHermit | I want handwriting recognition with hildon |
| 02:30.29 | mrglinux | how much is battery live if you want see a movie?? and can it connect to portable cdrom ? |
| 02:30.33 | KotCzarny | there are hwr apps |
| 02:30.49 | EruditeHermit | hwr? |
| 02:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | 4 hours, mrglinux. |
| 02:31.10 | KotCzarny | mrglinux: 3-5h, cdrom, possible with some hacking (soft and hardware) |
| 02:31.10 | dmsuperman_ | has anybody had any luck in maemo/mediastreamer and a desktop/mediatomb working together? |
| 02:31.22 | KotCzarny | eh: handwriting recognition |
| 02:31.30 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman_, try it with Canola? |
| 02:31.37 | dmsuperman_ | What's canola? |
| 02:31.47 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: they don't look as elegant as hildon |
| 02:31.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://openbossa.indt.org/ |
| 02:32.11 | mrglinux | how is it with asian language ? (os2008 i mean) |
| 02:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | OK once you add the fonts, as far as I understand. |
| 02:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | But Nokia doesn't officially support any Asian countries (at least last time I checked) |
| 02:32.46 | mrglinux | hmm very good |
| 02:33.04 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, this looks much better than mediastreamer, thanks for the suggestion i'll check it out ^.^ |
| 02:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman_, Media player can also do UPnP |
| 02:33.19 | mrglinux | is is so beautiful http://www.mobilecityonline.com/images/products/23210_L.jpg :) |
| 02:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's just stupid slow in Chinook |
| 02:33.25 | mrglinux | * it |
| 02:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | Look for a big improvement with Diablo |
| 02:33.43 | KotCzarny | shopped |
| 02:33.46 | dmsuperman_ | i don't even care about performance this second, i just want to get it working at all |
| 02:33.48 | dmsuperman_ | :P |
| 02:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | Of note, dmsuperman_, there's a network overhead involved if you're playing videos |
| 02:34.24 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: what is slow in Chinook, canola? |
| 02:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | UPnP, EruditeHermit. |
| 02:34.34 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 02:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | With Media player/File manager |
| 02:34.44 | KotCzarny | reading from mmc adds overhead too |
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| 02:34.59 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, I didn't plan on videos, I want to do a VPN from work so I can stream music easily from my desktop over the internet to my n800 |
| 02:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | So you'll have a lower bitrate/resolution ceiling with network playback. |
| 02:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | Music there's no issue with |
| 02:36.02 | dmsuperman_ | except my up bandwidth is horrible so it'll probably still run like crap |
| 02:36.04 | dmsuperman_ | but it's worth a try |
| 02:36.11 | mrglinux | nokia n810 is made in where? |
| 02:36.26 | KotCzarny | many places |
| 02:36.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:36.42 | KotCzarny | finland, korea, china |
| 02:37.42 | mrglinux | not different between these places ??? for quality ? |
| 02:38.04 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 02:38.15 | KotCzarny | bad batches happen everywhere |
| 02:38.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:38.34 | mrglinux | KotCzarny how about your tablet ? |
| 02:38.41 | KotCzarny | korea |
| 02:38.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:38.49 | KotCzarny | no problems, yet |
| 02:39.24 | KotCzarny | but i haven't dropped it |
| 02:39.37 | mrglinux | KotCzarny that screen is 640*480 ?? |
| 02:39.38 | KotCzarny | and don't plan to |
| 02:39.42 | KotCzarny | 800x480 |
| 02:39.42 | beford | 800*480 |
| 02:39.46 | mrglinux | :-D |
| 02:40.35 | mrglinux | i mean what the size of screen in pixel ? :P |
| 02:40.42 | mrglinux | w*h |
| 02:40.54 | KotCzarny | 4.something " |
| 02:41.27 | KotCzarny | device is roughly size of usb 2.5" hdd enclosure |
| 02:46.13 | unixSnob | what's the correct term for "wear protection" in the context of SD chips? you folks have discussed it a few times.. and I need to google it |
| 02:46.25 | KotCzarny | wear levelling |
| 02:46.37 | unixSnob | thanks |
| 02:46.58 | mrglinux | Nokia N810 Internet Tablet-Querty WiFi-2GB-NIB-NEWÂ means n810 wimax ? |
| 02:47.06 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 02:47.22 | KotCzarny | look for wimax in the name |
| 02:47.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:47.36 | mrglinux | i cant find in ebay |
| 02:47.40 | doc|home | the wimax one's not even released yet, is it? |
| 02:47.42 | dmsuperman_ | damn it |
| 02:47.44 | dmsuperman_ | it's not the client |
| 02:47.46 | KotCzarny | then it's not available yet |
| 02:47.49 | dmsuperman_ | though i do like canola much more |
| 02:47.55 | m-c | doc|home: it is used in various forms |
| 02:48.05 | dmsuperman_ | does anybody have any suggestions for getting a upnp media server and client to communicate across subnets? |
| 02:48.21 | KotCzarny | dmsuperman_: ssh tunnel ? |
| 02:48.21 | doc|home | m-c: ? |
| 02:48.25 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 02:48.31 | m-c | doc|home: !! |
| 02:48.38 | doc|home | you lost me :) |
| 02:48.47 | m-c | doc|home: you had me a "." |
| 02:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | mrglinux, WiMAX tablet is out in July. |
| 02:49.02 | dmsuperman_ | KotCzarny, how would I get canola to find and read a upnp media server through an ssh tunnel? |
| 02:49.29 | KotCzarny | dmsuperman_: i don't know about upnp |
| 02:49.39 | KotCzarny | i use sshfs for all my file sharing needs |
| 02:49.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:50.01 | mrglinux | hmm ... in n810 default storage wax 2gb ? |
| 02:50.08 | mrglinux | ** was |
| 02:50.10 | KotCzarny | 2gb + minisd slot |
| 02:50.25 | KotCzarny | n800 has 2x normal sized sd(sdhc) slot |
| 02:52.05 | mrglinux | have every one run open office on it..or is it possible ? |
| 02:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | mrglinux, http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2008/05/so-close-to-complete.html |
| 02:53.13 | mrglinux | i find this .. and i want buy it http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-Querty-WiFi-2GB-NIB-NEW_W0QQitemZ310051894157QQihZ021QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:53.23 | doc|home | oh nice, is it horribly slow? |
| 02:53.30 | doc|home | it's not oo.o if it's not horribly slow |
| 02:53.50 | KotCzarny | ever ran OOo on machine with 128mb of ram? |
| 02:54.00 | doc|home | good god no :) |
| 02:54.17 | KotCzarny | then it's safe to assume it's slow |
| 02:54.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:54.22 | doc|home | hehe |
| 02:54.22 | mrglinux | aaaa =-O |
| 02:54.30 | doc|home | hey, look at that, wet water! |
| 02:55.15 | KotCzarny | doc: ever heard about ice-9 ? ;) |
| 02:55.18 | doc|home | I'd like it to work for spreadsheets to be honest :/ |
| 02:55.20 | doc|home | KotCzarny: the wm? |
| 02:55.26 | KotCzarny | doc: no, s-f |
| 02:55.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:55.31 | doc|home | s-f? |
| 02:55.36 | KotCzarny | science-fiction |
| 02:55.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:55.41 | doc|home | ah, in that case, no :P |
| 02:56.06 | doc|home | i'm getting gadget itch :/ |
| 02:57.27 | mrglinux | what is Mint Nokia N810 ? |
| 02:57.46 | KotCzarny | probably nib |
| 02:57.51 | KotCzarny | or no scratchy |
| 02:57.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:58.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mint#Adjective |
| 02:58.24 | doc|home | mrglinux: mint = perfect condition |
| 02:58.25 | KotCzarny | http://abcnews.go.com/Health/BeautySecrets/story?id=4675368&page=1 |
| 02:58.26 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 02:58.30 | doc|home | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/27/bye-bye-n800/ ?! |
| 02:58.48 | KotCzarny | doc: nevah! |
| 02:58.51 | doc|home | I wouldn't buy an n810 unless it dropped the the price of an n800 |
| 02:59.01 | KotCzarny | and it's old news |
| 02:59.22 | doc|home | they should have called it "Why my mommy now has massive boobs" |
| 02:59.56 | KotCzarny | if n810 dropped to 150$, then sure, why not |
| 02:59.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:00.11 | doc|home | sure, i'd even buy one at that price :) |
| 03:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | It will, eventually, doc|home. |
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| 03:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | But there isn't much point in buying an N810 if you have an N800, anyway. |
| 03:00.38 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: yep |
| 03:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | Wait for the N900. |
| 03:00.44 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 03:00.48 | KotCzarny | multiplayer games |
| 03:00.49 | doc|home | I dunno, I like the idea of a hardware keypad |
| 03:00.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:01.01 | KotCzarny | also walkie talkie ;) |
| 03:01.05 | KotCzarny | vid cam |
| 03:01.08 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 03:01.11 | m-c | waits for the N9000 ! |
| 03:01.18 | KotCzarny | over 9000!? |
| 03:01.28 | m-c | due out October 2020 |
| 03:01.47 | KotCzarny | bad news, our civilizations is due to destruction in 2012 |
| 03:01.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:01.57 | m-c | oh, so sad |
| 03:02.58 | mrglinux | Feedback:100% Positive means it is certain ? |
| 03:03.54 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 03:04.06 | KotCzarny | there are scams that use stolen accounts |
| 03:04.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:04.21 | KotCzarny | that's the fun of online auction sites |
| 03:04.22 | doc|home | mrglinux: it could be that he has happily sold 1000 straws to 1000 people |
| 03:04.28 | doc|home | for 1c each |
| 03:04.38 | doc|home | and people he knew at that |
| 03:04.58 | mrglinux | i find it http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-PDA_W0QQitemZ150249464402QQihZ005QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem do you accept it ? |
| 03:06.02 | unixSnob | I heard someone in irc say that CF cards do not have wear leveling, and SD cards do. I'm having difficulty verifying that. Most of what I see out it the wild states both CF and SD have internal wear leveling. |
| 03:06.03 | m-c | I got sold an empty box from a guy with 99% positive |
| 03:06.17 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: not true |
| 03:06.30 | KotCzarny | ie. depends on manufacturer |
| 03:06.34 | KotCzarny | year of production |
| 03:06.35 | KotCzarny | model |
| 03:06.37 | KotCzarny | etc. |
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| 03:07.20 | KotCzarny | m-c: calculated risk? |
| 03:07.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:07.27 | KotCzarny | free money? |
| 03:07.56 | elb | pay with a credit card, and keep the option for contesting the charge open |
| 03:08.26 | m-c | I let ebay / paypal handle the seemingly obvious dispute, instead of my credit card company. they kept it in limbo for 60 days, then sided with the merchant |
| 03:08.51 | m-c | anyway, never going to use ebay again ;-) |
| 03:08.55 | elb | yeah, that's the story I always hear with paypal |
| 03:12.21 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, is it possible to specify an IP to connect to in canola? |
| 03:12.30 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have a clue |
| 03:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | -> #canola |
| 03:12.37 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, the server and client are on different subnets, so it doesn't detect it |
| 03:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | The idea behind UPnP is that it Just Works, though. |
| 03:12.53 | KotCzarny | dmsuperman_: maybe vpn ? |
| 03:13.12 | KotCzarny | if i understand correctly host on vpn appears as it was local |
| 03:14.15 | dmsuperman_ | is there an easy way to setup a vpn server on my desktop, which the n800 could connect to? |
| 03:14.23 | dmsuperman_ | desktop is ubuntu |
| 03:14.28 | unixSnob | KotCzarny: is wear leveling support guaranteed in any of the types of media (cf, sd, etc)? Or is it always variable? |
| 03:14.28 | unixSnob | What brands do not offer wear leveling, for example? |
| 03:14.28 | dmsuperman_ | i'm not too familiar with vpns |
| 03:14.45 | dmsuperman_ | so i'm not sure if you need some sort of special device just to do it, or if i _have_ to do it from my router |
| 03:15.12 | mrglinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.42 | beford | there's no official support for it |
| 03:15.53 | unixSnob | dmsuperman_: from what I hear, vpn servers are a pain in the ass to set up.. but perhaps easier w/ a router |
| 03:16.00 | beford | but there are some players that play them |
| 03:16.04 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: hard to tell, wear levelling isn't something you can check yourself with hdparm etc |
| 03:16.10 | unixSnob | dmsuperman_: why would you not want to use your router? |
| 03:16.12 | m-c | mrglinux: :( sad, but you have got to add another package for ogg support |
| 03:16.26 | beford | I read that latest canola release support ogg |
| 03:16.45 | mrglinux | but ogg is free and its orginaly on linux oss before another formats |
| 03:16.55 | mrglinux | * os |
| 03:17.00 | dmsuperman_ | unixSnob, The whole problem is that my router is what's causing the issue. I have a pfSense box with 2 interfaces. My client, the n800, is on one interface (subnet 192.168.3) and my server, my desktop, is on th other (192.168.0.10) |
| 03:17.22 | dmsuperman_ | unixSnob, so KotCzarny suggested to create a vpn between them, because upnp doesn't work cross subnets |
| 03:17.34 | dmsuperman_ | unixSnob, I tried creating a virtual ip with the router but that hasn't seemed to work |
| 03:19.47 | mrglinux | is it easy work with printer? like normal linux ? |
| 03:25.34 | |penguinbait| | If you install KDE, its just like normal linux running KDEand cups |
| 03:27.14 | mrglinux | have anyone played supertux on it ? :P |
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| 03:28.08 | mrglinux | or PlanetPenguin Racer |
| 03:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/supertux/ |
| 03:28.24 | dmsuperman_ | so does anybody know how i can specify, with any media player at all, an ip for my upnp media server? |
| 03:28.55 | unixSnob | installing kde to get printing capability seems like killing the chicken with a machine gun. |
| 03:28.58 | mrglinux | :) |
| 03:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | Debian chroot would likely be an option, too. |
| 03:29.21 | GeneralAntilles | Or install CUPS and print from the command-line. |
| 03:29.30 | unixSnob | damn small linux has a way of printing w/out using cups.. it's a very lean driver set |
| 03:29.48 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: how about 3d games? :) |
| 03:29.48 | unixSnob | although it doesn't support as many printers |
| 03:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | mrglinux, a few |
| 03:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | Check out the gaming forum on itT |
| 03:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | or pupnik.de |
| 03:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | Doom, Quake I/II, Warzone 2100 |
| 03:30.15 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: ok |
| 03:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | Others |
| 03:30.19 | |penguinbait| | somebody compiled lpr |
| 03:30.26 | |penguinbait| | look on itt |
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| 03:43.21 | dmsuperman_ | does anybody know how to get vlc on maemo? |
| 03:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, download it and install it |
| 03:43.39 | GeneralAntilles | but why? |
| 03:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer is much, much better optimized. |
| 03:44.03 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, can I specify an IP to browse a upnp server with mplayer? |
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| 03:44.18 | mrglinux | GeneralAntilles: can play it divx format ? |
| 03:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | Does VLC even do upnp? |
| 03:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer plays just about everything possible on maemo |
| 03:44.51 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, i think it does upnp |
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| 03:44.55 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, I just need to find anything that will let me connect to my upnp server |
| 03:45.20 | dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, I need to be able to specify a port though, because they're on different subnets and therefore the upnp server won't broadcast itself to the client |
| 03:45.28 | dmsuperman_ | specify an ip though* |
| 03:51.09 | mrglinux | the itt is very dark and hard to read.. |
| 03:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | All the way on the bottom left corner of the page, mrglinux. |
| 03:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | There's a dropdown for theme |
| 03:51.50 | mrglinux | ok |
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| 03:56.47 | Zxcvb | do the nokia n800/810 have a failsafe/bootblock mode or can firmware updates actually brick the handheld? |
| 03:56.58 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:57.17 | Zxcvb | to which one? |
| 03:57.20 | KotCzarny | ? |
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| 03:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | Firmware updates can render the bootloader non-functional requiring a cold flash using a JTAG cable. |
| 03:57.52 | shanellegranger | Hey yall |
| 03:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | But I've never actually seen anybody manage that feat. |
| 03:58.02 | shanellegranger | Can the Nokia N770 be used as a cellphone? |
| 03:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | and only heard of two cases of people bricking by writing to the mtd block for NOLO with the tablet booted. |
| 03:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | No, shanellegranger. |
| 03:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | It has wifi and bluetooth |
| 03:58.59 | Zxcvb | what does the jtag cable involve? |
| 03:59.59 | shanellegranger | GeneralAntilles - but can you use it like skype phones, where you use a bluetooth microphone and connect to the internet to make a call? |
| 04:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 04:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | but that's not a cellphone |
| 04:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | That's VOIP |
| 04:00.14 | shanellegranger | Oh |
| 04:00.16 | shanellegranger | OK |
| 04:00.30 | GeneralAntilles | Cellphones have cellular radios. ;0 |
| 04:00.36 | shanellegranger | I gotcha |
| 04:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | s/0/)/ |
| 04:00.54 | shanellegranger | What software would you need to make a Nokia N770 a VOIP phone? |
| 04:01.18 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo or Skype |
| 04:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | Or the built-in SIP client |
| 04:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | Take your pick, whichever suits your needs best. |
| 04:01.36 | shanellegranger | There's skype for the Nokia 770? |
| 04:02.13 | shanellegranger | Nice |
| 04:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd choose Gizmo if you can |
| 04:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | i.e. you don't already have a bunch of contacts using Skype |
| 04:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's just Jabber/SIP, so you can pretty much connect to Gizmo with anything |
| 04:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | rather than needing a proprietary Skype client. |
| 04:06.29 | ricko73 | the included SIP client works well |
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| 05:03.28 | KotCzarny | http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/smallest-gps-tracker-letter-logger.html |
| 05:03.29 | KotCzarny | o.o |
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| 05:15.58 | Navi | So, nothing interesting going on? |
| 05:21.12 | RST38h | I have put a new iNES online |
| 05:21.32 | RST38h | if you had speed problems, get a new version from the web site (repository still does not have it) |
| 05:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Guess the Diablo update repo isn't working anymore. |
| 05:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Nokia |
| 05:22.28 | Navi | ZOMG STOOPID NOKIA |
| 05:22.32 | Navi | RST38h, sweet |
| 05:23.08 | Navi | RST38h, my speed problems were minor, I think |
| 05:23.29 | Navi | It was 20 ticks in 11-12 seconds |
| 05:23.38 | Navi | in SMB |
| 05:25.47 | RST38h | That is NOT a speed problem |
| 05:25.58 | RST38h | That is measurement error ;) |
| 05:26.19 | Navi | :P |
| 05:26.23 | Navi | Nu-uh |
| 05:26.29 | RST38h | Where is X-Fade when you need him? |
| 05:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hiding, probably. |
| 05:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | Lazy bastard. |
| 05:26.47 | Navi | I totally had the seconds counter right next to the screen :P |
| 05:26.47 | RST38h | The SSH certificate parsing at maemo.org side is broken again |
| 05:27.08 | RST38h | Got a request to change my certificate from him, pasted fresh certificate, kaboom, no longer works |
| 05:27.18 | Navi | Besides, it _felt_ slow |
| 05:27.37 | RST38h | Navi: SMB simulates inertia a little bit. That is why it feels slow |
| 05:28.00 | Navi | I occasionally speed run SMB |
| 05:28.03 | Navi | I know what it feels like |
| 05:28.15 | RST38h | But if my fps counter says "no timer overruns, 58-62fps" then it IS 58-62fps =) |
| 05:28.20 | Navi | Is the sound supposed to be studdery? |
| 05:28.38 | GeneralAntilles | studdery? :P |
| 05:28.44 | RST38h | it's not. still working on it though. |
| 05:28.53 | Navi | stuttery |
| 05:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.answers.com/topic/studdery |
| 05:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | Learn something new every day. |
| 05:29.15 | RST38h | s/studdery/stuttery ? |
| 05:29.25 | Navi | Sorry General Spelling |
| 05:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | rawr |
| 05:30.05 | RST38h | Navi: anyway, get a new version and check - it will also consume less cpu |
| 05:30.09 | Navi | k |
| 05:30.22 | RST38h | may fix the sound problem afaik |
| 05:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, when are we gonna get a picture of you on the bus playing iNES with your Wiimote for thoughtfix's new article? :P |
| 05:31.17 | Navi | I don't take the bus, but I'll get a friend to take one of me walking around campus some time |
| 05:31.47 | GeneralAntilles | How about you driving stick while playing iNES with your Wiimote? |
| 05:31.53 | Navi | That'll work too |
| 05:35.21 | RST38h | with N810 hanging on a string from the ceiling |
| 05:35.31 | Navi | RST38h, you know what happens when you remove the start button on the center dpad, right? |
| 05:35.51 | Navi | Yeah |
| 05:35.51 | RST38h | BT keyboards stop working |
| 05:36.03 | RST38h | I have made a "fix" for that, of sorts |
| 05:36.10 | Navi | This release fixed the speed problem |
| 05:36.47 | Navi | Sound is luls, but the game is actually fun to play now |
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| 05:37.27 | RST38h | The GDK_Return will continue to work, but you have to hold one of the modifiers for that (control, shift, or alt) |
| 05:38.30 | Navi | We have a decent NES emulator now \o/ |
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| 05:38.54 | KotCzarny | what's a nes? |
| 05:39.17 | Navi | Obviously not a Kot |
| 05:40.50 | Navi | RST38h, I have a suggestion |
| 05:41.19 | RST38h | ? |
| 05:41.23 | Navi | It would be nice if A/B had an overlap area set up in which both buttons are pressed |
| 05:41.39 | RST38h | Kot: aka Dandy |
| 05:41.44 | KotCzarny | navi: good idea |
| 05:41.57 | RST38h | Navi: ! |
| 05:43.06 | Navi | also, there is some black bar room on the right side to show exactly where select/b/ab/a/start are without getting in the way |
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| 05:44.26 | Navi | people might still complain, so it could always be a toggle feature if you feel like adding it |
| 05:44.45 | RST38h | Where do you need to press both a and b? |
| 05:45.26 | Navi | Few games |
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| 05:45.45 | Navi | at the very top of my head since it's still fresh, mario |
| 05:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | Mario's at the top of your head? |
| 05:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | creepy. . . . |
| 05:46.05 | corevette | on my nokia 770 w/ 0s2007HE, i installed a custom theme with custom buttons...but after uninstalling the custom theme...i cant get the original buttons back...how do i? |
| 05:46.23 | Navi | corevette, the original icons? |
| 05:46.33 | corevette | yes, on the left side |
| 05:46.37 | RST38h | both buttons in mario? why? how? |
| 05:46.40 | corevette | and status bar icons |
| 05:46.46 | KotCzarny | was it star trek related or something? |
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| 05:47.26 | Navi | RST38h, to have complete jump control without having to let go of B for running |
| 05:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, Diablo update repo work for you? |
| 05:47.45 | Navi | Also, in SMB3, you have the raccoon suit |
| 05:47.57 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Haven't tried it yet. But I have been getting those errors for a while and it's been working fine. |
| 05:48.07 | Navi | In which you can flick your tail and jump at the same time |
| 05:48.27 | Navi | or hover and flick your tail |
| 05:48.29 | Navi | etcetc |
| 05:48.45 | KotCzarny | navi == furry? |
| 05:48.47 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 05:49.27 | Navi | KotCzarny, I love you |
| 05:49.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:50.50 | Navi | RST38h, I have a few more mario-related examples, and I can give you some non-mario stuff once I look at a game list |
| 05:52.14 | Navi | Charging and jumping at the same time in Mega Man |
| 05:54.18 | KotCzarny | actually it's a fitting idea |
| 05:54.27 | KotCzarny | because the way that touchscreen works |
| 05:54.43 | KotCzarny | ie. if you press it in two places x give you average x,y |
| 05:55.10 | KotCzarny | so it would be trivial to implement |
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| 05:55.29 | KotCzarny | and would work even if a&b were pressed with 2 fingers |
| 05:56.15 | RST38h | Navi: I see |
| 05:56.27 | RST38h | qwerty: get a new copy of ines off the web pag |
| 05:56.39 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Will do |
| 05:56.41 | corevette | Navi: do you have a solution to my problem? |
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| 05:57.02 | Navi | Oh, sorry about that. GeneralAntilles, don't you know how to fix this? |
| 05:57.03 | Navi | :P |
| 05:57.19 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming it's LCARS, uninstall the lcars-extras package and reboot. |
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| 06:09.25 | Navi | qwerty12, it's totally faster |
| 06:09.28 | Navi | and awesome |
| 06:09.45 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
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| 06:15.46 | Navi | Is wiicontrol konttori's project? |
| 06:16.14 | qwerty12 | I think he works on it with jdiaz |
| 06:16.21 | Navi | mmk |
| 06:16.22 | qwerty12 | They are both listed as admins of the project |
| 06:16.59 | pupnik | RST38h: ever hear my 'fix' for fceu NES emulator sound? (I fixed the problem eventually) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iw6D4GF2bs#GU5U2spHI_4 |
| 06:18.00 | Navi | ha, pun |
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| 06:18.32 | pupnik | :) Navi |
| 06:18.58 | Navi | :3 |
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| 06:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | Now this is cool: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080520-intel-wants-to-pimp-your-ride-with-prodigious-penguin-power.html |
| 06:21.10 | Navi | Weird |
| 06:21.20 | qwerty12 | I need a Hummer first |
| 06:21.22 | pupnik | http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=633 Dyn-O-Mite! |
| 06:21.47 | Navi | There's no debian files for wiicontrol in the svn repo |
| 06:22.39 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Move to Texas and work for Nokia :p. Then we would see improvements... "Wow, GA beated me at commenting here about that post." |
| 06:23.29 | roope | or move to Helsinki. :) |
| 06:23.42 | Navi | Helsinki would be the best bet |
| 06:23.55 | Navi | Texas doesn't want GeneralAntilles anyways |
| 06:24.04 | qwerty12 | Now, I wouldn't mind moving to Helsinki but that's because I'm already in Europe. |
| 06:24.05 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 06:24.14 | KotCzarny | open source car? |
| 06:24.15 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 06:24.18 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 06:24.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:24.34 | roope | your next computer can be a big-ass table. |
| 06:24.36 | qwerty12 | SSH vulnerability means it can be like RC car... |
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| 06:24.51 | Navi | roope, woo |
| 06:24.57 | KotCzarny | roope: i prefer my computers to be portable |
| 06:24.58 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:25.04 | Navi | You watched the MS Surface spoof too? |
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| 06:25.06 | KotCzarny | well, at least one |
| 06:25.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:25.12 | roope | Yes, it's well made. |
| 06:25.19 | Navi | agreed |
| 06:25.28 | KotCzarny | stolen technology |
| 06:25.30 | KotCzarny | as usual |
| 06:26.14 | KotCzarny | the only good thing is they popularize the idea |
| 06:26.42 | roope | Well. Apple "steals" just as much, but when apple does it, everybody cheers. |
| 06:28.06 | KotCzarny | not |
| 06:28.31 | roope | Developing good ideas further. I don't really believe that it's usually stealing. Ideas are to be utilized. |
| 06:28.42 | KotCzarny | roope, ever heard about patents? |
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| 06:29.08 | roope | In theory ideas are not patentable. At least in Europe. :) |
| 06:29.14 | roope | but note "in theory". |
| 06:29.18 | KotCzarny | do you believe m$ would give people free will to use ideas they have patents on? |
| 06:29.30 | KotCzarny | money, money, money |
| 06:29.43 | roope | Of course business is about money. |
| 06:29.53 | KotCzarny | bad idea |
| 06:29.53 | roope | It's not a charity. |
| 06:30.00 | KotCzarny | we are people |
| 06:30.25 | KotCzarny | in the end what would you use all that money if you die? |
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| 06:30.30 | KotCzarny | or destroy your planet? |
| 06:30.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:30.40 | roope | Money enables building strong organizations that then permit you do to things that you couldn't otherwise do. |
| 06:31.01 | roope | Then again, Bill Gates is taking his money to good use. |
| 06:31.09 | roope | (with his foundation). |
| 06:33.01 | KotCzarny | another problem with money (and power in general) is that it corrupts |
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| 06:34.12 | KotCzarny | it's not only about capitalism |
| 06:34.25 | KotCzarny | it's true for any kind of power |
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| 06:35.19 | Navi | RST38h, can you change the key mappings for the keyboard? |
| 06:36.04 | KotCzarny | The sleepiest animal in the world is the koala, who sleeps 22 hours a day. |
| 06:36.05 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 06:36.34 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Your record was beaten! |
| 06:36.44 | KotCzarny | apparently.. |
| 06:36.57 | KotCzarny | how do they procreate? |
| 06:37.09 | KotCzarny | 2h/day leaves little time frame |
| 06:37.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:37.24 | qwerty12 | I don't really wish to find out :p |
| 06:37.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.28 | roope | i've been now without a television for about 2 years. it's highly recommendable. |
| 06:38.43 | KotCzarny | is without tv since high school |
| 06:38.55 | KotCzarny | but hooked on the internet instead |
| 06:38.58 | qwerty12 | I've got a TV but I never watch it. I prefer watching stuff of my computer and the cinemas. |
| 06:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, computers are the new TV. |
| 06:39.57 | KotCzarny | better |
| 06:40.04 | KotCzarny | because it's two way device |
| 06:40.12 | KotCzarny | tv sucks because it only programs you |
| 06:40.31 | qwerty12 | My favourite channels are things like mininova, rapidshare, mediafire etc |
| 06:41.16 | KotCzarny | i like irc |
| 06:42.12 | pupnik | well said KotCzarny |
| 06:42.30 | qwerty12 | hip hip hooray |
| 06:43.14 | KotCzarny | Tetris + Arm Wrestling = Tresling! |
| 06:43.15 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 06:43.40 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2W7JX5D1Qs |
| 06:43.52 | qwerty12 | That's geekish and yet not so geekish |
| 06:44.18 | KotCzarny | reminds me of chessboxing |
| 06:44.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:44.52 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:44.59 | KotCzarny | anyone wanna waste some time with xtris? |
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| 06:46.31 | KotCzarny | (multiplayer tetris for those who don't know) |
| 06:48.21 | RST38h | all right, back |
| 06:49.20 | trickie_ | KotCzarny: one of the most awful sounds in the world is a koala 'procreating' |
| 06:49.39 | trickie_ | KotCzarny: its lucky they sleep that long, else you would have to listen to more of it |
| 06:49.53 | RST38h | Navi: you cant but it should not be much of a problem |
| 06:50.04 | KotCzarny | trickie_: how do you know it? :) |
| 06:50.06 | Navi | mmk |
| 06:50.31 | trickie_ | KotCzarny: im from .au and had them in my backyard when i was small |
| 06:50.37 | trickie_ | KotCzarny: used to freak me out |
| 06:50.38 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 06:50.45 | KotCzarny | got any recordings? |
| 06:50.56 | qwerty12 | >.< |
| 06:51.10 | RST38h | Kot: koala is also known for being on continuous pcp diet |
| 06:51.39 | RST38h | it is probably the only known narcoanimal in the world |
| 06:51.51 | trickie_ | ha ha, luckily no, but im sure there is one on the interwebs somewhere, it usually takes most people by surprise |
| 06:52.10 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 06:52.13 | KotCzarny | found on youtube |
| 06:52.31 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezm6yAMw0ys |
| 06:52.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 06:52.52 | trickie_ | enjoy :) |
| 06:52.52 | KotCzarny | and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYad3WMFqJI&feature=related |
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| 06:53.25 | KotCzarny | strange, indeed |
| 06:53.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:53.48 | KotCzarny | heh, http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/apr2008/gb20080430_764271.htm |
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| 08:02.07 | RST38h | "At this moment I sent him an email asking if it would be possible to have the package installed on the device. He then said it was perfectly feasible, but not advisable, as the implementation makes heavily use of floating point operations." |
| 08:02.32 | RST38h | wonders if a non-fp Vorbis codec exists at all =) |
| 08:03.06 | kulve | RST38h: a.k.a. tremor? |
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| 08:05.29 | mmr | ok have a question if anyones in |
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| 08:05.51 | mmr | ie answering |
| 08:05.53 | RST38h | kulve: guess so |
| 08:05.59 | mmr | good |
| 08:06.21 | mmr | so any idea how to play files on a network share on mplayer |
| 08:06.43 | KotCzarny | mplayer http://somehost/somefile |
| 08:06.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:06.50 | KotCzarny | unless you talk about samba |
| 08:07.10 | mmr | windows network share |
| 08:07.18 | KotCzarny | yes, samba |
| 08:07.26 | mmr | so how would i go about it |
| 08:07.28 | KotCzarny | google for mplayer samba |
| 08:07.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:08.00 | KotCzarny | gmplayer smb://user : pass @ server/share/file.mpg (take out the spaces after smb) |
| 08:08.41 | mmr | i was wondering if there isnt an easier without using the command line |
| 08:08.54 | KotCzarny | yes, you can try mounting the share |
| 08:08.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:08.59 | RST38h | yes, you can go directly to that Windows machine and click a mouse button |
| 08:09.00 | KotCzarny | mount -tsmbfs //server/share /mnt/FOLDER -o username=USERNAME_HERE,password=PASSWORD_HERE |
| 08:09.08 | KotCzarny | but you will need smb or cifs module |
| 08:09.34 | mmr | interesting i can see the windows share from file explorer on the n800 |
| 08:09.46 | KotCzarny | the same way as mplayer |
| 08:09.55 | mmr | and i can click on it and it will launch the default player |
| 08:09.59 | KotCzarny | but it needs app to be compiled with samba support |
| 08:10.06 | mmr | however when i go into mplayer file open |
| 08:10.09 | KotCzarny | with mounting you can play them as local files |
| 08:10.13 | mmr | and select it from there |
| 08:10.16 | mmr | it dosent play |
| 08:10.17 | RST38h | wait |
| 08:10.26 | mmr | i can see it witohut mounting |
| 08:10.28 | RST38h | you can install uPnP server on your windows machine |
| 08:10.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:10.40 | RST38h | And open stuff in the new Canola uPnP plugin! |
| 08:10.45 | mmr | ah |
| 08:11.01 | mmr | still ratherclunky |
| 08:11.19 | KotCzarny | and have canola scanning 200gb of files? |
| 08:11.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:11.22 | KotCzarny | fun! |
| 08:11.23 | mmr | lol |
| 08:11.26 | mmr | exactly |
| 08:11.27 | mmr | :( |
| 08:11.34 | mmr | make that 700gb |
| 08:11.36 | mmr | :( |
| 08:11.48 | KotCzarny | and i remind you it's ~500-800kb/s |
| 08:11.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:11.56 | KotCzarny | due to spi bus :) |
| 08:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | Canola + UPnP is the route I would go. |
| 08:12.16 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, prism54 over SPI was a separate patch |
| 08:12.20 | RST38h | Kot: My assumptio is that the upnp server does the scanning |
| 08:12.20 | KotCzarny | hates media libraries |
| 08:12.34 | KotCzarny | astorm: but wifi chip is so slow anyway |
| 08:12.37 | mmr | is there no way of playing them over samba direct |
| 08:12.42 | AStorm | KotCzarny: sure it is ;P |
| 08:12.51 | KotCzarny | wifi: well, maybe not chip but transfers over it |
| 08:13.06 | mmr | and i can see the file in the open dialog box in mplayer |
| 08:13.16 | KotCzarny | rst: i haven't seen upnp plugin in canola yet, so i can't comment how effective it is |
| 08:13.18 | mmr | but clicking on it does nothing |
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| 08:14.29 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjsiiHsgA_E |
| 08:14.30 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 08:14.44 | mmr | has anyone else tried playing media files from the open dialog box in mplayer |
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| 08:16.20 | mmr | nobody? |
| 08:16.24 | johnx | I think mplayer doesn't use gnome-vfs which is what the tablet uses for samba support |
| 08:16.50 | mmr | ok |
| 08:17.22 | johnx | you could just use mount.cifs or fuse+smbnetfs |
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| 08:17.44 | johnx | but you'd have to mount it from the CLI or a script when your WLAN connection comes up |
| 08:17.47 | KotCzarny | there is samba for fues? great |
| 08:17.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:17.51 | KotCzarny | fuse |
| 08:18.03 | johnx | KotCzarny, there's two or three :) |
| 08:18.06 | KotCzarny | johnx: script can be put in menu :) |
| 08:18.43 | johnx | actually I was thinking a nice script that got called by dbus-scripts when WLAN came up with the right SSID |
| 08:18.54 | johnx | would make everything nice and automated :) |
| 08:19.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:19.10 | KotCzarny | assuming you want such automation |
| 08:19.16 | mmr | gotcha all |
| 08:19.18 | johnx | I do in fact :) |
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| 08:19.24 | mmr | thanks for suggestions |
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| 08:19.51 | KotCzarny | After decades of US investments in China, it seems that the pendulum is swinging back. Today, many Chinese firms are pleasantly surprised to find that land, energy, and operating costs are actually cheaper in the United States as compared to China! |
| 08:19.52 | mmr | on a side note has anyone noticed with the new version of mplayer the n800 is really a pmp |
| 08:19.53 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 08:19.55 | johnx | sure. thanks for the nudge. I've been putting off getting this working, but I'll look at it on the train today |
| 08:20.08 | mmr | the train |
| 08:20.12 | mmr | is that on vpn |
| 08:20.25 | johnx | nah, offline |
| 08:20.29 | mmr | ah lol |
| 08:20.48 | johnx | I think I can write the script without internet access...I've typed the same commands so many freaking times |
| 08:20.50 | mmr | ive been trying to get openvpn working to little success |
| 08:20.53 | johnx | I'll debug it when I get home |
| 08:20.58 | mmr | yup makes sense |
| 08:21.01 | RST38h | Kot: I told you that would happen! |
| 08:21.14 | mmr | grins |
| 08:21.26 | RST38h | Cheers to the new land of outsourcing - The United States of America! |
| 08:21.30 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:21.41 | mmr | can u imagine the day when chinese banks outsource call centres to the us |
| 08:21.45 | RST38h | , for once, has been working for our Chinese overlords for the last 3 years |
| 08:21.54 | mmr | start learning mandarin guys |
| 08:22.02 | johnx | mmr, that will be so painful for Chinese customers O_o |
| 08:22.06 | mmr | lol |
| 08:22.12 | KotCzarny | nah, AIs are the future |
| 08:22.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:22.23 | mmr | well it will be our revenge |
| 08:22.32 | mmr | we suffered for years now it your turn |
| 08:22.34 | RST38h | Kot: Dan Simmons, Hyperion! |
| 08:22.52 | RST38h | mmr: You mean they wil have to deal with our broken mandarin? |
| 08:22.57 | KotCzarny | still, there will be shuffle in money deposits |
| 08:23.06 | RST38h | Spoken with Kentucky accent? |
| 08:23.08 | mmr | yup |
| 08:23.10 | mmr | ouch |
| 08:23.35 | RST38h | How do you say "Dear" in Chinese? =) |
| 08:24.04 | mmr | in a callcentre do you hear the word dear often? |
| 08:24.25 | mmr | rolls his eyes |
| 08:24.27 | RST38h | mmr: That is what you often hear from mid-western call centre workers |
| 08:24.31 | mmr | lol |
| 08:24.43 | RST38h | Apparently, this is how they address customers there |
| 08:24.52 | mmr | does that make them over 40 stay at home moms |
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| 08:25.01 | RST38h | mmr: who would doubt? |
| 08:25.17 | mmr | well |
| 08:25.23 | RST38h | that is what most us call center workers are, ain't they? |
| 08:25.29 | mmr | lol |
| 08:25.32 | mmr | i wouldnt know |
| 08:25.34 | mmr | im form the uk |
| 08:25.37 | mmr | im from |
| 08:25.52 | mmr | and all our are indian |
| 08:25.57 | mmr | under 30 |
| 08:26.06 | mmr | and polite to an annoying level |
| 08:26.08 | RST38h | umgh |
| 08:26.19 | RST38h | As close to AI as it possibly gets? |
| 08:26.23 | mmr | theres nothing like having a tiff on the phone to release tension |
| 08:26.32 | mmr | yet they never oblige |
| 08:26.45 | RST38h | There is a way to deal with them |
| 08:26.50 | mmr | ah |
| 08:26.54 | mmr | get under the skin |
| 08:27.02 | pupnik | always play a porno vid in the background during your tech call |
| 08:27.03 | RST38h | Nope |
| 08:27.06 | mmr | waits with baited breath |
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| 08:27.10 | mmr | lol |
| 08:27.13 | RST38h | You can't get under the skin of a guy like this |
| 08:27.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:27.25 | RST38h | But always remember that he follows a script when speaking to you |
| 08:27.34 | sp3000 | hooks mmr's breath and goes fishing |
| 08:27.36 | mmr | its kinda hard to forget |
| 08:27.44 | RST38h | So, your goal is to hack that Indian so that he hits an exception in his script |
| 08:27.49 | mmr | ahh |
| 08:27.52 | mmr | ai indeed |
| 08:27.56 | KotCzarny | 'now reboot. but i did it 3 times. please reboot' |
| 08:27.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:28.04 | RST38h | Once the Indian hits an exception, he is supposed to transfer you to a higher level of support |
| 08:28.11 | mmr | thanks sp3000 |
| 08:28.18 | pupnik | ah good point RST38h |
| 08:28.19 | mmr | ive just brushed my teeth |
| 08:28.30 | KotCzarny | rst, ah, it's a game |
| 08:28.33 | RST38h | You can expect to speak with a Brit (or American in the US) starting with level 3 or 4 |
| 08:28.38 | mmr | hmm |
| 08:28.38 | KotCzarny | and the winner gets his case resolved :) |
| 08:28.45 | mmr | i think not |
| 08:28.46 | RST38h | yes, basically |
| 08:28.54 | mmr | ive been transfered to higher indians |
| 08:28.58 | mmr | and then higher |
| 08:29.05 | RST38h | mmr: at the end, you will still get a local |
| 08:29.07 | mmr | till i speak to the prime minister |
| 08:29.10 | RST38h | At least this is how it works in the US |
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| 08:29.23 | mmr | who deals with all REALLY bad call centre problems |
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| 08:29.37 | RST38h | mmr: When you speak with that prime minister, ask them to nuke that Pakistan already |
| 08:29.41 | mmr | lol |
| 08:29.45 | mmr | tsk tsk |
| 08:29.51 | mmr | is there a script for that? |
| 08:29.58 | RST38h | mmr: We have all bought gas masks and dark glasses and are eagerly awaiting the fireworks! |
| 08:30.14 | mmr | shakes his head |
| 08:30.31 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.37 | pupnik | oops |
| 08:30.46 | mmr | lol |
| 08:30.46 | RST38h | hey, don't destroy the cheese |
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| 08:31.20 | mmr | or the wine |
| 08:31.34 | RST38h | (and no, we still need Finland, in case it were your next favorite target) |
| 08:31.36 | pupnik | loves france |
| 08:31.50 | mmr | but all nokias are made elsewhere today |
| 08:31.52 | mmr | soooo |
| 08:34.08 | legind | where is the modules directory for os2008? |
| 08:34.21 | KotCzarny | it doesn't matter as much where they are made, but where they are designed |
| 08:35.13 | kulve | legind: kernel modules? In the default installation? In initfs |
| 08:35.33 | legind | and I can copy the modules I want there to modprobe them? |
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| 08:35.50 | kulve | no |
| 08:36.03 | kulve | for that you need to install them properly in the right place |
| 08:36.04 | KotCzarny | but you can copy them to /lib/modules |
| 08:36.09 | KotCzarny | then you can modprobe them |
| 08:36.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:36.21 | legind | aha! thanks KotCzarny |
| 08:36.22 | KotCzarny | assuming modules.dep is updated |
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| 08:37.22 | kulve | I think installing the module with INSTALL_MOD_PATH and then copying them to the device should work? |
| 08:37.23 | KotCzarny | try: cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/* /lib/modules |
| 08:37.26 | kulve | modules |
| 08:37.57 | kulve | KotCzarny: I don't think modbrobe looks modules directly under /lib/modules |
| 08:38.15 | KotCzarny | kulve: there is 2.something dir in that initfs dir |
| 08:38.34 | KotCzarny | so this line is correct |
| 08:38.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:38.40 | kulve | ah, yes |
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| 08:39.01 | kulve | but I still think the INSTALL_MOD_PATH would be the correct way to do it |
| 08:39.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:39.17 | kulve | not sure how that handles any existing modules though.. |
| 08:42.31 | legind | im getting: cp: cannot create directory '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1': No such file or directory |
| 08:42.45 | KotCzarny | mkdir /lib/modules then |
| 08:42.48 | KotCzarny | then cp |
| 08:43.50 | legind | then copy my desired new modules , depmod -a, and modprobe? |
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| 08:44.07 | KotCzarny | i don't know if depmod is available |
| 08:44.14 | KotCzarny | so you will probably have to edit it by hand |
| 08:44.20 | KotCzarny | or create it somewhere else |
| 08:44.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:44.31 | KotCzarny | but syntax is trivial |
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| 08:44.46 | kulve | no depmod |
| 08:45.45 | legind | i don't need to depmod then? |
| 08:46.22 | KotCzarny | you can edit it by hand |
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| 08:47.23 | legind | ah modules.dep |
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| 09:04.31 | KotCzarny | http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/284/0/b/Extra_Value_Combo_Alpha_by_Lysol_Jones.jpg |
| 09:04.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:12.32 | mysc | hi. any objective suggestions on sdhc cards? transcend/patriot/sandisk/kingston? |
| 09:12.41 | hrw | morning |
| 09:12.46 | hrw | mysc: avoid kingston ones |
| 09:12.51 | RST38h | hello hrw |
| 09:12.58 | KotCzarny | hrw: why? |
| 09:13.06 | RST38h | sandisk. use plain sd adapter if you have to. |
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| 09:13.12 | hrw | KotCzarny: because they are very random quality |
| 09:13.23 | KotCzarny | hrw: any more info? |
| 09:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | SanDisk is stupidly overpriced. |
| 09:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | I've used a lot of Transcends and they've always been fine for me. |
| 09:13.40 | hrw | KotCzarny: most of my problems with sd cards (i/o errors, timeouts) were with kingston cards |
| 09:13.41 | RST38h | not if you buy it via mail order |
| 09:13.49 | mysc | sandisk is overpriced. and i've had issues with kingston ddr ram...so im not surprised to hear about shoddy sd's |
| 09:13.50 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:13.58 | hrw | KotCzarny: not to mention that kingston only brand cards not manufacture |
| 09:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | Compared to the other brands it's still overpriced. |
| 09:14.00 | KotCzarny | i have 2 kingston sdhc cards |
| 09:14.02 | RST38h | hrw: don't buy in Eastern Europe |
| 09:14.04 | KotCzarny | and both are fine |
| 09:14.07 | KotCzarny | slow, but fine |
| 09:14.18 | KotCzarny | (4 and 8gb) |
| 09:14.21 | RST38h | hrw: 'case resellers will just buy a box of cheapest chinese cards and sell it to you |
| 09:14.35 | hrw | RST38h: same in .us |
| 09:14.39 | RST38h | hrw: and the labelling does not mean a thing |
| 09:14.39 | legind | do I simply put all the modules in modules.dep with a colon after them? i'm not sure about the dependencies |
| 09:14.51 | mysc | so between patriot/transcend/a-data, any one significantly better? |
| 09:14.55 | RST38h | hrw: easier to get sued in us |
| 09:15.07 | hrw | legind: just run 'depmod' |
| 09:15.11 | RST38h | hrw: lots of lawyers just waiting for a case like that |
| 09:15.35 | hrw | RST38h: I have no problem with other cards |
| 09:15.39 | mysc | oh, another thing, are the cleartouch protectors any good? |
| 09:15.44 | hrw | RST38h: even my noname 1GB card works everywhere |
| 09:15.49 | legind | hrw, I thought I had to hand craft it |
| 09:15.51 | hrw | mysc: brando ones? |
| 09:16.01 | RST38h | hrw: means you have been buying them from a decent place =) |
| 09:16.10 | legind | depmod isn't available |
| 09:16.14 | mysc | ClearTouch(tm) |
| 09:16.15 | hrw | RST38h: any random shop |
| 09:16.29 | mysc | by boxwave, i think. |
| 09:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, I have 3. |
| 09:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | They're fantastic |
| 09:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | I recommend the anti-glare, though. |
| 09:16.56 | KotCzarny | Here's something unexpected about the rising price of gasoline: old mechanical pumps were designed during the time when $4 per gallon was simply unthinkable, so the rotary dials didn't have gears to go beyond $3.99 a gallon! |
| 09:16.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:16.59 | mysc | great!. do you also have their rubberized condom for the n800? |
| 09:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | The Brando ones are knock-offs. |
| 09:17.12 | RST38h | has the cleartouch - very difficult to apply at least on n810 |
| 09:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | mysc, it blocks the stand and ports |
| 09:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | i.e. useless |
| 09:17.34 | mysc | shit. thanx, that goes off the cart. |
| 09:17.58 | mysc | so what do i use to replace the nokia standard "grandma eyeglass case" that i got w/ my n800? |
| 09:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | For a pocket case? Dunno |
| 09:18.12 | RST38h | depends on what you need it for |
| 09:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | For a backpack case, I like the case logic 2.5" hard drive case. |
| 09:18.29 | RST38h | I ordered a leather case from the same Boxwave |
| 09:18.34 | mysc | to protect it. there's a metallic case boxwave makes for the n810...nothing for the n800 though :( |
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| 09:18.44 | RST38h | it does block USB and the stand, but I do not use these |
| 09:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | Stand is the best feature. |
| 09:19.14 | RST38h | ga: not on a bus :) |
| 09:19.22 | KotCzarny | rarely uses usb and stand |
| 09:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's great for reading ebooks on the couch |
| 09:19.46 | GeneralAntilles | Lie on my side, set the N800 on the coffee table with the stand open. |
| 09:19.55 | RST38h | true, but you can just set the device against a pillow. Crude but works |
| 09:20.02 | AStorm | and get a neck twist? ;P |
| 09:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | No it doesn't |
| 09:20.05 | legind | can I get depmod for os2008? |
| 09:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | You move around and it falls over |
| 09:20.17 | RST38h | works for me |
| 09:20.19 | AStorm | legind: you don't need it, but if you want it, it's a major mod |
| 09:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, FBReader rotates. . . . |
| 09:20.29 | RST38h | does not easily fall over when in a leather case |
| 09:20.30 | mysc | hrmm, so i thought mebbe flash-3.0 would not work on my slack box but it was like a charm |
| 09:20.35 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: but you still get a neck twist ;P |
| 09:20.56 | legind | AStorm, I'm not sure how to hand-craft depmod based on this |
| 09:21.03 | RST38h | AStorm: Our necks are permanently twisted by now, so it does not matter |
| 09:21.04 | AStorm | why do you need that? |
| 09:21.11 | AStorm | RST38h: :P |
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| 09:22.11 | mysc | okay, so cleartouch in, n800 condom out, what else should i get? a replacement battery is $59!!! (and btw, nokia website no longer even features n800 for accessory search or compatability cross-checks) |
| 09:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | You can get batteries cheaper. |
| 09:22.41 | KotCzarny | cheaper != better |
| 09:22.53 | AStorm | BP-5L is cheap |
| 09:22.54 | RST38h | mysc: Get the largest SDHC card you can find under $80 |
| 09:23.08 | AStorm | even the original one |
| 09:23.08 | RST38h | mysc: Also spend another $80 for an Apple BT keyboard |
| 09:23.23 | mysc | RST, was gonna go iGo... |
| 09:23.28 | RST38h | Shiny, made of aluminIum |
| 09:23.35 | AStorm | mysc: yes, that's great too |
| 09:23.38 | RST38h | Apple is much cuter |
| 09:23.47 | AStorm | and not as foldable |
| 09:23.57 | RST38h | Does not matter, it's flat |
| 09:24.01 | mysc | i like how small the igo gets |
| 09:24.04 | AStorm | does, it's not pocketable |
| 09:24.11 | RST38h | Also, you can cut OR hit people with it |
| 09:24.14 | mysc | almost as small as the n800 |
| 09:24.30 | AStorm | I don't have the problem... N810 ;P |
| 09:24.36 | RST38h | the probability of you carrying a keyboard AND an N800 everywhere is slim |
| 09:24.48 | mysc | astorm, i ditched mine |
| 09:24.48 | RST38h | So, it does not necessarily have to be pocketable |
| 09:24.59 | AStorm | mysc: why? |
| 09:25.27 | mysc | well, it was defective so i had an out...but while testing it i realized the kb was not worth the doubling in price |
| 09:25.45 | AStorm | it isn't |
| 09:25.47 | AStorm | the screen is |
| 09:26.03 | mysc | screen on the 800 is perfectly good. |
| 09:26.09 | AStorm | not in sunlight |
| 09:26.22 | mysc | i melt in sunlight :) |
| 09:26.33 | AStorm | Vampire... |
| 09:26.36 | mysc | hah |
| 09:26.47 | AStorm | urges everyone to whip out holy water |
| 09:26.52 | mysc | mebbe when the n810 is $200 i'll pick one up |
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| 09:27.21 | AStorm | it's 350 euro here or so |
| 09:27.32 | mysc | what's that like $400? |
| 09:27.37 | AStorm | more |
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| 09:27.58 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 09:28.02 | mysc | in usa right now it ranges from about $395 - $450 |
| 09:28.08 | KotCzarny | 1eur ~ 1.5usd |
| 09:28.12 | KotCzarny | or even 2usd |
| 09:28.14 | KotCzarny | (soon) |
| 09:29.03 | mysc | astorm, i agree, it's nice. but 800 is the right one for me. |
| 09:29.19 | AStorm | it's not for me, too large and not sleek enough |
| 09:29.39 | AStorm | still, I need a kernel driver/keymap for the console and hw keyboard |
| 09:29.51 | AStorm | basic qwerty works, but not Fn key :> |
| 09:29.57 | mysc | ?? |
| 09:30.02 | mysc | you're not in os2008? |
| 09:30.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:30.12 | AStorm | I am in and not. :-) |
| 09:30.21 | mysc | so you compiled your own kernel? |
| 09:30.26 | AStorm | yes |
| 09:30.27 | RST38h | AStorm: Debian? ;) |
| 09:30.31 | AStorm | RST38h: no |
| 09:30.36 | AStorm | want to get Gentoo onto it |
| 09:30.36 | KotCzarny | astorm: how is 2.6.25 ? |
| 09:30.46 | AStorm | KotCzarny: well, ask me tomorrow |
| 09:30.51 | KotCzarny | k |
| 09:30.55 | AStorm | maybe today evening |
| 09:31.09 | AStorm | still, I'd like a proper Linux keymap for the keyboard |
| 09:31.14 | mysc | i don't think i'd wanna compile a new kernel for os08, i'd go with a debian install |
| 09:31.24 | AStorm | mysc: good choice |
| 09:31.34 | mysc | anyone know if people are actively porting slackware to armel? |
| 09:31.37 | AStorm | I'd actually take 2.6.22 + new CPU scheduler |
| 09:31.41 | AStorm | mysc: they aren't |
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| 09:32.00 | hrw | AStorm: cfs? it has backort to 2.6.21 iirc |
| 09:32.01 | mysc | that's too bad. that would be an awesome little machine...a slack n800 |
| 09:32.07 | AStorm | hrw: gimme |
| 09:32.14 | AStorm | esp. the newest version |
| 09:32.21 | AStorm | last backport I know is ancient |
| 09:32.25 | AStorm | (and has bugs) |
| 09:32.35 | KotCzarny | bugs aren't fun |
| 09:32.49 | AStorm | not as bad as the O(1) sched bugs ;P |
| 09:33.15 | AStorm | I could actually ask Ingo for a backport and would probably get it... |
| 09:33.28 | AStorm | but for that, I need to remember my pass to that other shell :P |
| 09:34.04 | AStorm | alternatively, I could cherry-pick out of git tree... work-intensive |
| 09:34.24 | mysc | what's the best way to root my tablet? |
| 09:34.28 | KotCzarny | ssh |
| 09:34.54 | AStorm | sched-cfs-v2.6.21.7-v24.1.patch ... |
| 09:35.00 | AStorm | that's fairly recent |
| 09:35.14 | AStorm | it's from 2.6.24-rc5 |
| 09:35.26 | AStorm | I could pick all patches since then |
| 09:35.28 | KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3101 |
| 09:35.29 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 09:35.35 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 09:35.37 | KotCzarny | 21.7 |
| 09:35.42 | KotCzarny | could be incompatible |
| 09:35.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | ~root |
| 09:35.53 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 09:36.06 | mysc | hah |
| 09:36.07 | AStorm | KotCzarny: we can patch 2.6.21-omap to 2.6.21.7 ;p |
| 09:36.08 | GeneralAntilles | ~easyroot |
| 09:36.09 | infobot | easyroot is probably an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com |
| 09:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | ~becomeroot |
| 09:36.11 | infobot | from memory, becomeroot is on Maemo to get root run "sudo gainroot" or dig in maemo.org wiki for proper howto |
| 09:36.27 | KotCzarny | ~ssh |
| 09:36.28 | infobot | methinks ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen, or see ssh-agent, or a way of telling someone to be quiet |
| 09:36.35 | mysc | !!! |
| 09:36.45 | KotCzarny | stupid bot |
| 09:36.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:36.57 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it's not stupid, it's waaay too smart |
| 09:37.03 | AStorm | infobot: are you stupid or something? |
| 09:37.11 | AStorm | you see? ;P |
| 09:37.15 | mysc | i have ssh client/server on there already. gonna go to nitapps now. i guess gainroot get's patched to not check for RD? |
| 09:37.16 | KotCzarny | ~stupid |
| 09:37.17 | infobot | it has been said that stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif |
| 09:37.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:37.24 | KotCzarny | ~smart |
| 09:37.25 | infobot | i guess smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure |
| 09:37.27 | hrw | ~rlart |
| 09:37.28 | infobot | beats grape into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 09:37.59 | AStorm | infobot: you're mad |
| 09:38.05 | AStorm | ;P |
| 09:38.17 | KotCzarny | ~mad |
| 09:38.18 | infobot | methinks mad is Rob Leslie's MPEG Audio Decoder, GPL, at http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/ |
| 09:38.30 | KotCzarny | ~astorm |
| 09:38.30 | AStorm | ~fail |
| 09:38.31 | infobot | Sorry, astorm, you have failed. |
| 09:38.51 | AStorm | infobot: yes, you suck! |
| 09:38.51 | infobot | Sorry! |
| 09:39.09 | AStorm | ok, enough torturing for a while |
| 09:39.15 | mysc | wow, the guy has ported some nice tools (nitapps) |
| 09:39.25 | mysc | thanks for the url |
| 09:39.26 | AStorm | KotCzarny: could I get btrfs-progs from you? |
| 09:39.34 | KotCzarny | astorm: mad deps |
| 09:39.36 | KotCzarny | afair |
| 09:39.38 | AStorm | latest git, which doesn't hang? |
| 09:39.40 | AStorm | not mad |
| 09:39.45 | AStorm | just e2fsprogs/libss |
| 09:39.48 | KotCzarny | and segfaults qemu/gcc |
| 09:39.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:39.55 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 09:40.10 | KotCzarny | i don't remember the fix someone suggested |
| 09:40.13 | AStorm | that was unexpected |
| 09:40.23 | AStorm | ah, the memset instead of pointer |
| 09:40.52 | AStorm | *foo = NULL -> memset(foo, 0, sizeof footype) |
| 09:41.27 | mysc | how do you install os2008 to a qemu image file? |
| 09:41.40 | AStorm | mysc: you don't, there's a ready-made image :> |
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| 09:41.47 | mysc | sweet, who made it? |
| 09:41.50 | AStorm | oh, have to fly |
| 09:41.51 | AStorm | Nokia |
| 09:43.59 | mysc | ah i see, part of the sdk. makes sense. |
| 09:44.27 | mysc | okay, cheers all. |
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| 09:48.36 | KotCzarny | ./arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -luuid |
| 09:48.45 | KotCzarny | but i have libuuid.so.1 in /lib |
| 09:48.46 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 09:48.56 | AStorm | ldconfig, run it |
| 09:49.21 | hrw | and you do not have libuuid.so which ld search for |
| 09:49.41 | KotCzarny | ldconfig ran |
| 09:49.48 | KotCzarny | but didn't created required symlink |
| 09:49.57 | AStorm | :P |
| 09:50.03 | KotCzarny | and /lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 09:50.11 | AStorm | ~fail KotCzarny |
| 09:50.11 | infobot | KotCzarny: FAIL! |
| 09:50.12 | KotCzarny | and i have write rights to /etc |
| 09:50.20 | KotCzarny | not me but ldconfig |
| 09:50.22 | KotCzarny | in sbox |
| 09:50.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:50.41 | hrw | sbox... |
| 09:50.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:51.46 | KotCzarny | 0.14-1 |
| 09:52.29 | KotCzarny | get from usual location |
| 09:52.35 | hrw | KotCzarny: each time when I see 'sbox' and 'problem' I switch to other channel |
| 09:52.51 | KotCzarny | hrw: well, at least this one was trivial to fix |
| 09:52.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:53.12 | KotCzarny | and i really like sb1 because it keeps host os from breakage |
| 09:54.15 | hrw | I prefer normal cross compilation |
| 09:54.36 | KotCzarny | as i said, i feel safer with sb1 |
| 09:54.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:55.03 | hrw | each of use prefer other perversions |
| 10:03.07 | RST38h | feels screwed with sb1 |
| 10:03.27 | RST38h | sb2 is more sane |
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| 10:04.47 | KotCzarny | well, sb1 works for me, and that's all that matters |
| 10:05.22 | RST38h | Do you also use the autoconf/automake stuff? |
| 10:05.40 | KotCzarny | probably |
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| 10:45.37 | jdiaz | Hello |
| 10:46.03 | jdiaz | I flashed yesterday an initfs image which GeneralAntilles prepared for me |
| 10:46.37 | jdiaz | Now, I can see in Control Panel->About product, that the version of the operating system is no longer available |
| 10:46.42 | jdiaz | is this important? |
| 10:46.55 | jdiaz | is it due to the initfs flash? |
| 10:47.39 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 10:49.20 | jdiaz | may be important? :-) |
| 10:50.02 | KotCzarny | you can always flash original initfs |
| 10:50.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:51.25 | jdiaz | well, I suppose I should flash original initfs from nokia, and then use fanoush initfs utilities in order to create my own booting menu |
| 10:51.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:52.22 | jdiaz | btw, should I use the same version of initfs than the version of OS2008? |
| 10:52.40 | jdiaz | I mean, in the nokia servers, only the latest version is available (51.3) |
| 10:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | jdiaz, you can just flash fanoush's over the one I gave you |
| 10:52.52 | jdiaz | in my tablet I have 51.2 |
| 10:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | and, no, it doesn't mean anything. |
| 10:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | My tablet has variously had a version and no version many times over the past year with seemingly no relation to anything. |
| 10:53.43 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: changelog should answer your question, but i believe initfs is identical in both versions |
| 10:53.50 | jdiaz | GA, if I can directly flash the fanoush version, why was your image required? |
| 10:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Because you didn't have root access. :P |
| 10:54.13 | jdiaz | hm |
| 10:54.39 | jdiaz | but I thought that fanoush's version required root access only when flashing from the tablet |
| 10:54.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:54.57 | jdiaz | yesterday I flashed from the PC |
| 10:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | You have to generate the initfs |
| 10:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | With his flasher tool |
| 10:55.09 | jdiaz | aha |
| 10:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Which runs on the tablet |
| 10:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | So I generated one on mine and tossed it over to you. |
| 10:55.34 | jdiaz | and if I do that today, wouldn't be your initfs what I would generate? |
| 10:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | Once you have the image, you can flash from either the PC or the tablet. |
| 10:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 10:55.57 | GeneralAntilles | Just set up the bootmenu.conf how you want it and generate a new one |
| 10:56.07 | jdiaz | I'm a bit lost. I thought that my original initfs was lost forever |
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| 10:56.29 | trickie_ | jdiaz: can flash it back from the nokia FIASCO image |
| 10:56.40 | trickie_ | jdiaz: cause i assume it was the stock standard one |
| 10:56.57 | jdiaz | GA, wait... initfs not only contains the bootmenu, it also contains a lot of binaries |
| 10:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that would be the explanation |
| 10:57.24 | trickie_ | jdiaz: if you have the nokia image you can use the flasher to only flash the initfs from nokia |
| 10:57.31 | jdiaz | I assume that my current initfs is based on the binaries you had in your initfs |
| 10:57.42 | trickie_ | jdiaz: correct |
| 10:58.12 | jdiaz | and in general it is a bit dangerous to flash in one tablet the initfs generated in another tablet |
| 10:58.20 | jdiaz | because the versions could not match |
| 10:58.26 | trickie_ | jdiaz: and if you want the standard one released by nokia you can get the nokia image and only flash the initfs back |
| 10:58.27 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 10:58.33 | KotCzarny | because you can always flash from pc |
| 10:58.37 | jdiaz | trickie, I know, thanks |
| 10:58.43 | KotCzarny | even if you write mp3 over initfs |
| 10:58.47 | jdiaz | I'm only trying to understand |
| 10:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | You mean rootfs and initfs versions? |
| 10:59.11 | jdiaz | KotCzarny, yes, I understand. You are refering again to original nokia images |
| 10:59.42 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: i refer to anything you would like to write to initfs partition |
| 10:59.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:59.52 | trickie_ | jdiaz: id get the initfs-making script and check it out, might make it clearer |
| 11:00.17 | jdiaz | trickie_, fanoush's one? |
| 11:00.20 | trickie_ | but yes what you said was correct, your initfs is made from the binaries etc that are on GA's inifs at the time he made it |
| 11:00.23 | trickie_ | jdiaz: yep |
| 11:00.50 | jdiaz | I think I understand |
| 11:01.02 | jdiaz | so it would be wise to reflash the nokia original initfs |
| 11:01.13 | jdiaz | and then use fanoush's scripts to build my own initfs |
| 11:01.15 | KotCzarny | even as an excercise |
| 11:01.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:01.36 | trickie_ | jdiaz: yep |
| 11:02.35 | jdiaz | well, I'll do so as soon as I have again the usb cable which I forgot in my car :-) |
| 11:07.48 | jdiaz | there is any document explaining the booting process in the tablet? |
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| 11:08.58 | KotCzarny | nolo -> kernel -> initfs -> rootfs |
| 11:09.18 | jdiaz | I'm reading now about the linux booting process |
| 11:09.27 | jdiaz | is initfs equivalent to initrd? |
| 11:09.31 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 11:10.43 | jdiaz | nolo is kind of grub? |
| 11:10.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 11:11.01 | jdiaz | pieces are fitting |
| 11:12.34 | jdiaz | can be nolo be flashed independently? |
| 11:12.46 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 11:12.58 | KotCzarny | but no one have done it, yet |
| 11:13.11 | jdiaz | :) |
| 11:13.16 | KotCzarny | you would need to be sure it would work |
| 11:13.24 | KotCzarny | on the first try |
| 11:13.27 | jdiaz | i guess that it is the xloader.bin in the nokia's images |
| 11:13.38 | KotCzarny | or have other mean of flashing it later |
| 11:14.00 | jdiaz | aha.. I think I can see why |
| 11:14.02 | KotCzarny | because if you break nolo, usb flashing won't work anymore |
| 11:14.23 | KotCzarny | booting too obviously |
| 11:14.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:14.24 | jdiaz | nolo is on charge of executing the code which flashes on the tablet |
| 11:14.40 | jaska | nolo is appropriately named |
| 11:14.45 | jaska | nolo = finnish for embarassing |
| 11:14.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:15.06 | KotCzarny | jaska: does lilo have any meaning in finnish? |
| 11:15.11 | KotCzarny | or grub? |
| 11:15.13 | jaska | naah |
| 11:15.13 | jdiaz | also fiasco is properly named? :-) |
| 11:15.23 | jaska | yeah :) |
| 11:15.36 | KotCzarny | fiasco isn't a nokia product |
| 11:15.52 | KotCzarny | well, arm7 port is :) |
| 11:16.53 | jdiaz | what is fiasco? the flasher? |
| 11:17.05 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 11:17.13 | KotCzarny | format/os name |
| 11:17.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:17.20 | Saviq | KotCzarny: lilo is Linux Loader |
| 11:17.30 | KotCzarny | saviq: i know |
| 11:17.42 | jdiaz | also a Disney's character :-) |
| 11:17.47 | KotCzarny | http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ |
| 11:18.25 | hrw | KotCzarny: no one?? |
| 11:18.50 | KotCzarny | hrw: at least no reports of such :) |
| 11:18.59 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/22/resolving-power-on-drama/ |
| 11:19.18 | hrw | KotCzarny: I flashed nolo and xloader when 51.3 was released |
| 11:19.20 | jdiaz | so fiasco is a particular implementation of the linux kernel? |
| 11:19.32 | hrw | sudo flasher --flash --reboot \ |
| 11:19.33 | hrw | --xloader xloader.bin-RX-44:0801,0802,0803,0804,0805,0806,0901,0902 \ |
| 11:19.33 | hrw | --secondary secondary.bin-RX-44:0801,0802,0803,0804,0805,0806,0901,0902 |
| 11:19.33 | hrw | --2nd 2nd.bin-RX-44:0801,0802,0803,0804,0805,0806,0901,0902 |
| 11:19.44 | hrw | jdiaz: fiasco is container for kernel/bootloader/rootfs |
| 11:19.59 | KotCzarny | hrw, well, i was referring to flashing nolo with something else |
| 11:20.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:20.14 | hrw | ah - that one |
| 11:20.29 | KotCzarny | hrw: according to the site i posted it's a whole rtos |
| 11:20.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:20.47 | hrw | KotCzarny: I would not replace nolo without jtag and serial cables |
| 11:21.08 | hrw | KotCzarny: and for those you have to be in nokia hw team |
| 11:21.12 | KotCzarny | hrw: that's why i have said no one reflashed it :) |
| 11:21.36 | KotCzarny | (with a replacement, that is) |
| 11:21.51 | hrw | KotCzarny: as there is no replacement... |
| 11:22.15 | KotCzarny | hrw: who knows what's brewing in hackers hands :) |
| 11:23.13 | hrw | ;) |
| 11:25.22 | jdiaz | is digging in the nokia's initfs image, mounted on a linux box |
| 11:25.39 | jdiaz | which format logo-nokia is? |
| 11:25.51 | hrw | I would like to be able to forget about initfs.. |
| 11:27.06 | jdiaz | I guess that it is a kind of framebuffer dump |
| 11:27.11 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: probably png |
| 11:27.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:27.28 | jdiaz | not png, at least not recognized as such by file |
| 11:27.44 | KotCzarny | well, there are few images that are used during boot |
| 11:27.59 | KotCzarny | one in nolo, few in initfs and few in rootfs |
| 11:28.16 | KotCzarny | and you can replace those in intifs and rootfs |
| 11:28.49 | jdiaz | the nokia theme sound is in rootfs? |
| 11:28.58 | KotCzarny | hrw: actually initfs is ok, because kernel people kicked out much stuff from kernel to userland |
| 11:29.41 | hrw | KotCzarny: s/initfs/initfs contents (binary daemons) |
| 11:29.49 | KotCzarny | ah, yes |
| 11:30.14 | KotCzarny | closedness is a fun stopper |
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| 11:37.36 | KotCzarny | # |
| 11:37.38 | KotCzarny | dep: libmysqlclient15off |
| 11:37.44 | KotCzarny | what a nice dependency |
| 11:37.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:42.06 | jdiaz | I assume that the programs in initfs' /bin/ are closed |
| 11:42.18 | jdiaz | i mean, source code not available |
| 11:42.20 | KotCzarny | some |
| 11:42.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:42.28 | KotCzarny | i think busybox is available |
| 11:42.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:43.10 | jdiaz | for example, show_image |
| 11:43.11 | KotCzarny | i bet it simply uses /dev/fb |
| 11:43.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:43.20 | jdiaz | probably |
| 11:43.27 | jdiaz | strings reports /dev/fb on it |
| 11:44.05 | Saviq | Is the indt iphone-like virtual keyboard available somewhere? |
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| 11:45.23 | jdiaz | interesting... strings on show_image found this: |
| 11:45.28 | jdiaz | "Unable to allocate memory for image rle data" |
| 11:45.39 | jdiaz | so the format is rle indeed |
| 11:46.15 | KotCzarny | bmp? |
| 11:46.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:46.20 | jdiaz | :) |
| 11:46.28 | jdiaz | not any format recognized by file |
| 11:47.00 | jdiaz | i tried to remove some initial bytes (possible propietary header), but the result is still not recognized |
| 11:48.32 | KotCzarny | what are you trying to do? |
| 11:48.44 | KotCzarny | initial nokia logo is on the screen ~1s |
| 11:48.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:48.53 | jaska | but its annoying :) |
| 11:49.04 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 11:49.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:49.05 | jaska | i always hated it on my phone (but that one was animated and took time) |
| 11:49.20 | KotCzarny | are we talking about the same logo? |
| 11:49.27 | jaska | the touching hands? |
| 11:49.33 | KotCzarny | no hands on mine |
| 11:49.49 | KotCzarny | as i said, just tweak initfs/rootfs |
| 11:49.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:58.14 | trickie_ | Saviq: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ |
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| 12:00.43 | Saviq | trickie is that 'current'? |
| 12:00.56 | Saviq | And usable at all? |
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| 12:02.03 | trickie_ | Saviq: not really, it needs to be hooked into the gui toolkits as an input method |
| 12:02.52 | Saviq | yeah that's what I thought |
| 12:03.31 | trickie_ | Saviq: for mamona the indt guys are tryig to get matchbox-keyboard working |
| 12:03.36 | trickie_ | Saviq: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/ |
| 12:04.21 | trickie_ | i beleive that has a input method integration with gtk already, and they are doing it also with the efl libs |
| 12:04.26 | trickie_ | but don't quote me :) |
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| 12:28.30 | hrw | matchbox-keyboard is nicely integrated with gtk |
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| 12:32.44 | trickie_ | hrw: do you use that as input for poky? |
| 12:33.40 | hrw | trickie_: yes |
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| 12:39.21 | KotCzarny | The acronym "LAMR" is occasionally used, to indicate Ruby on Rails in place of PHP. |
| 12:39.23 | KotCzarny | lamer? |
| 12:39.25 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 12:49.50 | inz | anyone tried stateful firewall on maemo? |
| 12:50.22 | KotCzarny | not yet, but kernel has an option for conntrack |
| 12:50.33 | KotCzarny | so probably it's possible |
| 12:50.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:51.22 | inz | I've compiled it as module and loaded it, but it says all packets are in INVALID state |
| 12:51.26 | inz | which is not too nice |
| 12:51.45 | KotCzarny | interesting |
| 12:52.08 | KotCzarny | more modules needed? |
| 12:52.14 | kulve | I think the whole firewall stuff is cpu independant. Maybe you've just configure something wrong in the kernel..? |
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| 12:52.30 | inz | Maybe, can't just figure out what |
| 12:52.48 | KotCzarny | enable anything you can as modules |
| 12:52.50 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:52.53 | kulve | have you compared your .config with one from e.g. you home computer? |
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| 12:53.09 | kulve | typoti typo |
| 12:53.15 | inz | sure have |
| 12:54.45 | K-Fox | http://www.gronmayer.com/it <--- this site seem not normal |
| 12:54.56 | KotCzarny | k-fox, yes, and? |
| 12:55.06 | Jaffa | is glad to see that the "ITTSS" thread on ITT has an equally negative reaction as it did on maemo-dev. GeneralAntilles speaketh muchos sense. |
| 12:55.30 | KotCzarny | 'sensos' |
| 12:55.50 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 12:56.26 | K-Fox | apt-get install vncviewer <--- is it correct? |
| 12:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping I didn't kill Reggie entirely on the idea. |
| 12:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | With syndication, it'd be workable. |
| 12:57.10 | KotCzarny | hand picked software reviews? |
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| 12:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | He is right about Canola, although it may have more to do with that crazy guy Handful than itT. :D |
| 12:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | But it's true that Garage and Downloads suck for active discussion. |
| 12:59.00 | KotCzarny | post 'talk page for garage enhancement' bug then? |
| 12:59.45 | GeneralAntilles | I just wish Reggie had considered discussing it with the community beforehand so we could've avoided all the negativity. <_< |
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| 13:01.29 | K-Fox | where is vnc client install"? |
| 13:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ |
| 13:01.53 | KotCzarny | k-fox: try maemo.org extras or garage |
| 13:02.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: it's worked for Canola because they don't have any of the resources a normal project has (e.g. mailing lists/forums) |
| 13:03.02 | Jaffa | Partially because they can't/shouldn't be on garage as it's not OSS |
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| 13:03.53 | KotCzarny | jaffa: but they failed a little creating section 'canola' |
| 13:04.10 | KotCzarny | 'indt' could be understandable |
| 13:04.13 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 13:04.21 | KotCzarny | but canola? doh |
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| 13:43.59 | disq | so, who tried upgrading kernel-diablo-flasher? |
| 13:44.14 | KotCzarny | probably qwerty12 |
| 13:44.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:44.26 | disq | too much updates, i'm scared |
| 13:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | disq, I dunno |
| 13:44.35 | KotCzarny | then don't do it |
| 13:44.41 | KotCzarny | and wait for official release |
| 13:44.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'm imagining Application manager might've invoked it |
| 13:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | but my initfs is still fanoush's |
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| 13:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | I flashed the kernel last time around without issue. |
| 13:46.23 | Jaffa | wonders: if N810W release pushed back a couple of months due to WiMAX rollout issues, will Diablo be post-poned too? |
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| 13:46.30 | eero | Is it really so that in order to install Python, one must put the device into R&D mode and then use gainroot? |
| 13:46.52 | KotCzarny | eero: not really |
| 13:46.59 | eero | it is said so here: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html |
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| 13:47.12 | Jaffa | eero: no, you install an app which requires it and you get it for free (if said app has its dependencies configured correctly) |
| 13:47.19 | KotCzarny | eero: i have never used r&d mode |
| 13:47.26 | KotCzarny | and i have python on my n800 |
| 13:48.09 | KotCzarny | though i have redpill mode enabled :) |
| 13:48.21 | eero | jaffa: I tried to install about 10 different python .deb package from garage.maemo.org ..the all had python dependency defined but the python is not installed |
| 13:48.31 | eero | automatically |
| 13:48.49 | KotCzarny | eero: have you actually tried installing using app-man ? |
| 13:48.57 | KotCzarny | or by downloading .deb ? |
| 13:49.02 | simboss | eero: you can use app-man |
| 13:49.07 | eero | the application I need are not listed on app-man |
| 13:49.17 | KotCzarny | eero: then install canola |
| 13:49.24 | KotCzarny | it should suck python for you |
| 13:49.33 | KotCzarny | (then you can remove canola if you don't like it) |
| 13:49.49 | eero | not all the python packages |
| 13:50.27 | KotCzarny | what's your problem then? |
| 13:50.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 13:53.27 | eero | I'm just wondering whether it is possible to create a .deb package that (when run from AI) installs automatically all python dependencies .. |
| 13:53.35 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 13:53.44 | KotCzarny | that's called meta-package |
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| 13:53.56 | KotCzarny | for example ssh is such package |
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| 13:54.10 | KotCzarny | (it will install ssh-server and ssh-client) |
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| 13:54.59 | KotCzarny | # DO NOT FALL FOR THE TEMPTATION TO MV INTO PACKAGES OR DOOM |
| 13:55.00 | KotCzarny | # WILL FIND YOU. Use dh_install, this is just because dh_install |
| 13:55.00 | KotCzarny | # can't rename files |
| 13:55.00 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 13:55.24 | KotCzarny | some debian/rules comments are funny :) |
| 13:56.10 | eero | can you point any python application (.dep) from garage.maemo.org that installs python dependencies... I have found none.. |
| 13:56.54 | KotCzarny | eero: canola |
| 13:56.54 | eero | i mean .deb |
| 13:57.01 | eero | ok, i will try |
| 13:57.06 | eero | just a second |
| 13:57.07 | KotCzarny | or anything with py in the name |
| 13:57.13 | GnuTon | Hi |
| 13:57.13 | simboss | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html |
| 13:57.50 | GeneralAntilles | Such a ridiculous installation method |
| 13:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | they should be shot for that. |
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| 13:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | R&D mode? :shudder: |
| 13:58.27 | lopz | morning |
| 13:58.30 | Jaffa | Well, most of the time people shouldn't be installing Python directly. |
| 13:58.57 | KotCzarny | unless they want to learn/create something in it? |
| 13:58.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:59.12 | simboss | guys quick question on the python topic |
| 13:59.24 | simboss | I have a multithreaded app written python for linux |
| 13:59.38 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: indeed, but then people should be able to figure out how to get root |
| 13:59.55 | hrw | eero: ow many packages from garage would pass lintian check? |
| 13:59.57 | simboss | which I am trying to port over using pymaemo, but it chokes as soon as I try to start a thread |
| 14:00.09 | simboss | does pymamemo support multithreading? |
| 14:00.29 | KotCzarny | uses ssh root@0 |
| 14:00.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:00.37 | Jaffa | simboss: a question for the pymaemo mailing list, I'd guess. I'd be surprised if it doesn't. |
| 14:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | Reggie's got his pity party hat on now. . . . <_< |
| 14:00.49 | simboss | jaffa: me too :-) |
| 14:01.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: awww, diddums |
| 14:01.04 | KotCzarny | ga: at least he will have time to do something else :) |
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| 14:03.06 | Juhaz | simboss, is it a pygtk app or are you porting it from another toolkit? |
| 14:03.13 | simboss | pygtk |
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| 14:05.43 | Cptnodegard | is reading for exams on his n800 |
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| 14:13.02 | eero | ok.. I tried to install maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mclock Application Manager says that it cannot be installed because python2.5 is missing |
| 14:13.16 | KotCzarny | os2007? |
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| 14:14.32 | pancake | http://radare.nopcode.org/img/maemo/ 0.9.6 released :) with more maemo pleasure |
| 14:14.58 | eero | same with maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mclock |
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| 14:15.31 | KotCzarny | ok, enable extras? |
| 14:16.33 | eero | it is enabled.. the problem is that .deb files don't automatically install python ..the only possibility is to install python manually and it reaures r&d mode .. |
| 14:16.52 | eero | requires |
| 14:16.59 | pancake | http://radare.nopcode.org/get/radare_0.9.6_armel.deb |
| 14:17.01 | KotCzarny | are you sure extras is enabled? |
| 14:17.06 | eero | yes, im sure |
| 14:17.18 | KotCzarny | if you go to repos list is extras icon grayed out? |
| 14:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | Just install Canola from Extras. |
| 14:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | From within Application manager. |
| 14:18.04 | eero | extras icon is not grayed out |
| 14:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | Edit it, is the Disabled box checked? |
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| 14:18.28 | eero | general: canola is not problem...I can isntall it because it is listed on application manager |
| 14:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | Canola depends on Python. |
| 14:18.49 | KotCzarny | eero, then do it, and you will have python installed |
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| 14:19.22 | eero | if I install canola it installs some python packages but not all |
| 14:20.11 | KotCzarny | eero: enable redpill mode and install missing packages via app-man |
| 14:20.21 | KotCzarny | (and you don't need root for that) |
| 14:20.58 | RST38h | pancake: will it do arm disassembly too? |
| 14:21.28 | eero | kotcrazny: that's not the problem.. the problem is that for ordinary user (i'm not:) it is too difficult to install python applications which are not listed on application manager :) |
| 14:21.31 | pancake | RST38h: supports arm, mips, java, x86(16,32,64), csr, sparc |
| 14:21.34 | pancake | and debugging too |
| 14:21.51 | pancake | the disasembly of the shots is arm |
| 14:22.01 | KotCzarny | eero: well, if you get your package on garage then it will be in app-man :) |
| 14:22.22 | RST38h | pancake: yummy |
| 14:22.34 | pancake | also for graphs and code analysis |
| 14:22.38 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 14:22.53 | KotCzarny | pancake: disassemler for arm packages? |
| 14:22.55 | eero | kotcrazny: that's not true.. for example mclock in not listed on application manager..like dozens of other applications |
| 14:23.05 | pancake | i plan to add a pseudo virtual machine for the next version |
| 14:23.09 | pancake | to enhace the code analysis |
| 14:23.13 | pancake | KotCzarny: ? |
| 14:23.20 | KotCzarny | eero, ahm, you are right |
| 14:23.44 | pancake | KotCzarny: radare is an advanced command line hexadecimal editor |
| 14:23.59 | KotCzarny | pancake, ahm, /me uses mcedit |
| 14:24.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 14:24.21 | pancake | KotCzarny: don't compare :) |
| 14:24.22 | Jaffa | pancake: can you edit the assembly? I had some fun a couple of months back using IDA Pro demo version on XP to look at the structure of an ARM ELF binary, identifying the instruction I wanted to change, then opening the same binary up in StrongEd in RISC OS on RPCemu on an Ubuntu box to make the change :-) |
| 14:24.27 | pancake | Jaffa: yes |
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| 14:24.42 | Jaffa | pancake: cool, I'll try that next time then :-) |
| 14:24.50 | pancake | sweet :) |
| 14:25.33 | KotCzarny | eero: i guess it's a problem that pymaemo guys have to fix |
| 14:25.54 | pancake | join the mailing list/forums if you're interested on :) |
| 14:25.57 | eero | As a developer I'm concerned that only the way to make a python application automatically installable is to get it into (extras) repository and it is quite difficult process |
| 14:26.18 | Juhaz | so anyone happen to remember what is the rationale for app-man not autoresolving deps for command line arguments? that's the crux of the problem, after all. |
| 14:26.34 | Jaffa | eero: it's not that difficult, really. |
| 14:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's not all that difficult, eero. |
| 14:27.02 | eero | they have set all kind of quality requirements.. |
| 14:27.14 | Jaffa | Oh, so you want to release crashy crashy shonkware? |
| 14:27.21 | GeneralAntilles | That's what extras-devel is for. |
| 14:27.26 | eero | how about alpha/beta quality level software that is under development? |
| 14:27.39 | Jaffa | And part of the problem is that the quality requirements aren't high enough ;-)... but as GeneralAntilles says, that's what extras-devel is for. |
| 14:28.01 | KotCzarny | if someone installs alpha/beta he/she should be knowledgeable then |
| 14:28.14 | eero | not necessarily.. |
| 14:28.15 | KotCzarny | or you end up with bunch of newbies cursing your beta app |
| 14:28.19 | KotCzarny | for no reason |
| 14:28.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 14:28.53 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Was there SSU Diablo update today? |
| 14:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 14:28.59 | RST38h | eero: as a developer you should avoid writing applications in python |
| 14:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | This morning. |
| 14:29.01 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
| 14:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | 20-4 |
| 14:29.09 | RST38h | way, WAY too fragile |
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| 14:29.35 | RST38h | Somebody upgrades Python - and half the apps stop working |
| 14:31.53 | eero | still I don't understand the requirement of R&D mode for manual installation |
| 14:32.31 | KotCzarny | r&d is needed for root access |
| 14:33.16 | WorkingOnWise | is anyone having troubles with Skype? Major choppyness on both ends, but never at the same time. |
| 14:33.20 | eero | Why python is then not listed on AI? .. |
| 14:35.08 | Jaffa | eero: cos most end-users don't need to install it themselves. |
| 14:36.44 | eero | you think that most end users want only install applications which are listed on application manager? Not for example the mclock? |
| 14:36.56 | Jaffa | eero: that's an issue with mclock, not python |
| 14:37.07 | Jaffa | Moan at the mclock developers for not putting the app in extras(-devel) |
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| 14:38.16 | qwerty12 | wishes application manager resolved depends for local debs files too like gdebi, not just ones installed from a repo. |
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| 14:40.04 | Jaffa | qwerty12: fix the source? http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/ - submit a patch ;-) |
| 14:40.24 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, I'm gonna try on the diablo version later :) |
| 14:41.10 | qwerty12 | Because then, when I install from a deb, I have to resort the dpkg -i and apt-get -f install anyway :/ |
| 14:41.53 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 14:42.03 | KotCzarny | then make script for it? |
| 14:42.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:42.29 | qwerty12 | I'd rather just work on application manager :/ |
| 14:42.55 | qwerty12 | Bollox, updating diablo has made my version information blank :p |
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| 14:43.24 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 14:43.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 14:44.30 | eero | ok.. In order to put an python application into extras repository I need an upload account, right? |
| 14:44.44 | Jaffa | Correct. Which is a garage account, basically. |
| 14:44.47 | X-Fade_ | eero: Yep ;) |
| 14:44.56 | Jaffa | You do not need a garage project, though. |
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| 14:45.03 | Jaffa | Oh, and X-Fade's here now to help you :-) |
| 14:45.53 | X-Fade_ | eero: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request |
| 14:46.04 | eero | x-fade: thanks |
| 14:46.24 | X-Fade_ | eero: Then you even don't need to type the email ;) |
| 14:46.43 | eero | great, I don't like typing emails ;) |
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| 14:48.07 | qwerty12 | wants to update bootmenu with Kot's colour mod but I don't have the willpower to strip out the initfs again and make a new jffs2 image :( |
| 14:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | is two thanks away from 666. |
| 14:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | hopes he doesn't miss it. |
| 14:48.41 | qwerty12 | hehe, I made |
| 14:48.44 | ccooke | qwerty12: generally, if you do something twice it's better to script it the third time. |
| 14:48.50 | qwerty12 | my tablet version 666 for a while. |
| 14:48.56 | KotCzarny | qwerty: make a script to do it then :) |
| 14:48.59 | qwerty12 | ccooke, If I could, I would! |
| 14:49.12 | X-Fade_ | Ok, the autobuilder has improved a lot. It will now mail the uploader with status and links to error logs etc.. |
| 14:49.12 | qwerty12 | (My scripting skills are bad) |
| 14:49.48 | ccooke | qwerty12: hmm. where can I find the initrd? I can probably knock up a script in a few minutes. |
| 14:49.57 | KotCzarny | script is just a commands you type anyway in a text file |
| 14:49.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:50.08 | ccooke | (my n810 is not currently able to copy files to the system I'm using now) |
| 14:50.46 | ccooke | KotCzarny: initially. If you do it properly, you end up with something that makes your life even easier than that |
| 14:50.59 | ccooke | (because a script can make decisions and assumptions for you) |
| 14:51.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:52.28 | qwerty12 | ccooke, This was a diablo one I extracted. It took me a while and 2gb ram to extract it. Plus KotCzarny's linuxrc will be based off the chinook one so I have to compare the files. |
| 14:52.45 | ccooke | qwerty12: no problem. |
| 14:52.52 | ccooke | qwerty12: that can be scripted, too :-) |
| 14:52.55 | qwerty12 | Thanks though :) |
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| 14:53.46 | ccooke | when you say it took you 2G of ram to extract... that sounds like it should be wrong. |
| 14:54.04 | ccooke | after all, there's only a 256M root filesystem and 128M of RAM on the devices |
| 14:54.16 | KotCzarny | qwerty, essentially just look at the lines related to text2screen |
| 14:54.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:54.26 | qwerty12 | ccooke, I'm serious :). mtd2ram method uses a lot of memory to mount an jffs2 image. |
| 14:54.32 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Will do, I've done this before :) |
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| 14:54.37 | qwerty12 | Except in b&w |
| 14:54.49 | ccooke | qwerty12: oh... jffs image, right. |
| 14:55.01 | ccooke | qwerty12: that explains things :-) |
| 14:55.19 | qwerty12 | Good thing is that I have a tarball of the diablo initfs so I don't have to mount things anymore :) |
| 14:55.56 | n800n | does booting off a card corrupt it if it's shut down foced? |
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| 14:56.17 | KotCzarny | n800n: depends, but that's a good reason to have ext3 on it |
| 14:56.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:56.22 | ccooke | n800n: not automatically, but it's very likely |
| 14:56.31 | ccooke | n800n: ext3 will help with that. |
| 14:56.36 | n800n | hm |
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| 14:57.19 | n800n | is there an app that would shut down the tablet if battery goes under a certain %? |
| 14:57.28 | WorkingOnWise | i have ext3 and have had 15 or so dirty shutdowns - dead bat, lockups and pulled the battery - and never a problem |
| 14:57.33 | KotCzarny | i think tablet does it already |
| 14:58.15 | X-Fade_ | The tablet does a proper shutdown when battery gets low. |
| 14:58.21 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, One more thanks to reach devil point :p |
| 14:58.22 | Jaffa | n800n: yes, the built-in battery management software does exactly that. |
| 14:58.30 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I'll do it for you :p |
| 14:58.44 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I reckon another bitch-slapping on the ITTSS thread could get it for you (from me) |
| 14:58.45 | n800n | well something may have gone wrong |
| 14:58.46 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Welcome to 666 |
| 14:58.53 | KotCzarny | x-fade: but it's not true if battery got low via low usage, then if cpu went to 100% |
| 14:59.19 | X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: Huh? |
| 14:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 14:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | Muhahaha! >:] |
| 14:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | gets screenshots |
| 14:59.55 | KotCzarny | x-fade: li-* battery fun |
| 15:00.20 | X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: That doesn't make sense ;) |
| 15:00.21 | KotCzarny | x-fade: if you discharge slowly, tablet doesn't have a chance to poweroff properly |
| 15:00.37 | KotCzarny | x-fade: well, if you drain battery slowly |
| 15:00.41 | X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: Sure, it does. It will always leave more than 5% in.. |
| 15:00.44 | KotCzarny | voltage keeps steady |
| 15:00.45 | KotCzarny | but |
| 15:01.04 | KotCzarny | if you start draining big, voltage drops quite big too |
| 15:01.10 | X-Fade_ | Yeah, ok. You mean the delta isn't that large then.. |
| 15:01.15 | n800n | well i'm sure mine did |
| 15:01.40 | KotCzarny | x-fade: battery monitor runs all the time, it should be aware of this |
| 15:01.47 | KotCzarny | i guess that qualifies as a bug |
| 15:01.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:02.10 | n800n | i'm sure mine shut down forced, i had open files idling in fb reader an 2 dirs were corrupted |
| 15:02.28 | KotCzarny | n800n: go ext3 |
| 15:02.33 | qwerty12 | I want that stupid battery thing to be improved. On my Pocket PC, I would get a 10 second countdown that it was about to go off. On my Nokia, I get 3 warnings, fair enough, but I don't like it going off without a proper warning i.e countdown and saying recharge battery. |
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| 15:02.50 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i can write an app for that |
| 15:03.00 | KotCzarny | apparently i have found good params for my kcbatt |
| 15:03.04 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, If you would, I would love you forever :) |
| 15:03.11 | n800n | oh it's not ext3 |
| 15:03.18 | n800n | ah shit. |
| 15:03.37 | KotCzarny | qwerty: well, the problem is that it will have to run all the time |
| 15:03.48 | KotCzarny | because it's all about deltas :) |
| 15:03.52 | WorkingOnWise | is there a way to run an app at a higher priority? |
| 15:03.58 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I don't mind, rather that then the tablet shutting off :) |
| 15:04.01 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, renice |
| 15:04.20 | WorkingOnWise | cool. ty qwerty12 |
| 15:04.22 | KotCzarny | qwerty: you do. if app runs all the time == battery drain |
| 15:04.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:04.43 | qwerty12 | I'm past caring, honestly. |
| 15:05.07 | KotCzarny | k |
| 15:05.11 | qwerty12 | I'd rather that then losing a post I'm about to post :) |
| 15:05.14 | KotCzarny | then it's a simple sh script :) |
| 15:05.24 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 15:05.33 | WorkingOnWise | does anyone think renicing Skype to a higher priority will fix my chop and chatter troubles? Right now its useless as a voip device |
| 15:05.39 | n800n | it was fb reader, didn't think it'd be such a drain |
| 15:05.52 | n800n | but i'm in the freakin jungle |
| 15:06.00 | KotCzarny | WorkingOnWise: renice 0 `pidof Xomap` |
| 15:06.31 | WorkingOnWise | KotCzarny: what is Xomap? |
| 15:06.35 | KotCzarny | n800n: screen rendering is quite costly + backlight |
| 15:06.51 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, X Server |
| 15:07.10 | n800n | backlight is almost the worst |
| 15:07.49 | n800n | i don't think the soft shut down works if apps are open for me |
| 15:07.55 | WorkingOnWise | ok. qwerty12. I' not questioning, just trying to understand. Wouldnt a reboot do the same thing? |
| 15:08.54 | qwerty12 | A reboot wouldn't make the priority higher, if I understood question right :) |
| 15:11.00 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: got it. I sure wish man worked on the IT. 0 is the highest prioprity, and normally Xomap starts at a lower priority, right? |
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| 15:11.55 | qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, I would guess that it starts at lower priority but to be honest, I don't really understand renice myself :) |
| 15:12.40 | qwerty12 | There is a long way to make man work but it would mean a hell of a lot of time and me explaining something I've never tried. |
| 15:13.00 | trickie_ | google: man renice |
| 15:13.03 | trickie_ | alot easier |
| 15:13.32 | johnx | highest priority = most CPU time given = -20 |
| 15:13.35 | WorkingOnWise | well. that changed skypes performance from totally useless to mildly anoying.... |
| 15:13.40 | johnx | lowest priority = only run at idle = +20 |
| 15:13.59 | KotCzarny | the problem is that Xomap runs at -1 |
| 15:14.03 | KotCzarny | and sound runs at 0 |
| 15:14.19 | KotCzarny | so screen draws can introduce sound glitches |
| 15:14.39 | KotCzarny | and using skype nobody cares about drawing speed |
| 15:15.11 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, as root bump skype to -5 and see if that helps |
| 15:15.21 | WorkingOnWise | KotCzarny: johnx is it possible that that could help a2dp also? |
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| 15:15.36 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, it helps quite a bit |
| 15:15.59 | johnx | at the cost of every other process |
| 15:16.25 | johnx | though in my case I left xomap at its default priority and bumped mplayer to -1 |
| 15:16.30 | johnx | or was it -5? |
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| 15:16.57 | KotCzarny | johnx, but mplayer is restarted often |
| 15:17.05 | KotCzarny | so you need to bump it every time |
| 15:17.13 | johnx | of course |
| 15:17.20 | KotCzarny | while renicing Xomap is once per boot |
| 15:17.24 | johnx | and to get -5 priority you need to be root |
| 15:17.54 | johnx | but renicing Xomap might have negative effects on games or video. I don't really know... |
| 15:18.33 | WorkingOnWise | sounds like we need an app to renice video vs sound on the fly maybe? |
| 15:18.46 | KotCzarny | johnx: seriously, games? video? :) |
| 15:19.23 | johnx | KotCzarny, :P |
| 15:19.33 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, actually a little control panel that had that and a way to lock the CPU at 400MHz might be nice |
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| 15:20.03 | KotCzarny | johnx: op patch! |
| 15:20.04 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:20.10 | johnx | op patch? |
| 15:20.13 | johnx | hmm? |
| 15:20.14 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 15:20.19 | KotCzarny | so you can set op modes |
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| 15:20.40 | KotCzarny | and you can even set desired op mode for dsp usage |
| 15:20.40 | johnx | what are op modes? is that different than the cpufreq governor? |
| 15:20.45 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 15:20.52 | KotCzarny | well |
| 15:20.55 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 15:21.00 | johnx | got a link? |
| 15:21.34 | qwerty12 | www.google.com |
| 15:21.43 | qwerty12 | turns off prick mode |
| 15:21.53 | johnx | qwerty12, kthx |
| 15:22.12 | johnx | qwerty12, I tried that. op-mode linux gets me a whole bunch of nothing |
| 15:22.36 | qwerty12 | I see what you mean :/ |
| 15:23.08 | johnx | heh...I found the actual source |
| 15:23.14 | johnx | but not an explanation :/ |
| 15:23.44 | KotCzarny | johnx: http://en.pastebin.ca/raw/986472 |
| 15:23.53 | KotCzarny | it allows op modes to be set via /sys |
| 15:24.03 | johnx | thanks |
| 15:24.15 | KotCzarny | fanoush already included it in his kernel |
| 15:24.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:24.30 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, know who made that patch? |
| 15:24.31 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:24.31 | WorkingOnWise | renicing skype to -5 made is s l o w! tried 5 too. slow still.... when it finally did call, it was super choppy. wierd |
| 15:24.48 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i think someone from this chan, maybe jott.. |
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| 15:25.57 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, bootmenu.conf is on the root of the initfs partition right? |
| 15:26.22 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, try running top via ssh while using skype |
| 15:26.28 | johnx | see what wants the most CPU time |
| 15:26.40 | KotCzarny | qwerty: yes, i hacked initfs-flash script to copy my version over original |
| 15:26.53 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Thanks |
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| 15:28.05 | KotCzarny | johnx: i use it to replace 330/220 mode with 400/133 |
| 15:28.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:28.09 | WorkingOnWise | johnx: ok. after I test a theory. I am booting into the flash OS2008, which has very very little installed on it I'm gonna try Skype from there ans see if maybe it'm my install on the SD car thats fubared somehow. |
| 15:28.26 | qwerty12 | man, fanoush is just too good. I was surprised to learn that the mmc booting code was actually made by Nokia but fanoush improved it lots and actually made it into a menu :) |
| 15:28.44 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i think menu was there already |
| 15:28.58 | KotCzarny | but accessible with a key hold |
| 15:28.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:29.05 | qwerty12 | Yes, but it's a weird sort of menu, I've managed it run it via chroot :) |
| 15:29.40 | qwerty12 | qwerty12 lied about not having to mount initfs, I'm gonna have to mount the chinook one. |
| 15:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | Phoney! qwerty12's uh PHONEY! |
| 15:30.43 | qwerty12 | is so vain, rd mode says my initfs version is 2008-17-qwerty12-diablo/bootmenu-custom |
| 15:30.44 | qwerty12 | :p |
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| 15:30.50 | qwerty12 | Kill me now. |
| 15:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | You'll go straight to hell. :P |
| 15:31.04 | KotCzarny | qwerty: you will kill yourself |
| 15:31.07 | GeneralAntilles | >:] |
| 15:31.13 | johnx | qwerty12, done. the Nokian ninjas will arrive shortly :P |
| 15:31.15 | KotCzarny | when some app refuse to install |
| 15:31.15 | kpanic | what version scratchbox is suggested for maemo 4.0? |
| 15:31.28 | kpanic | version of scratchbox |
| 15:31.39 | qwerty12 | Cool, bye bye muhahahaha |
| 15:31.48 | johnx | kpanic, the latest 1.x release available |
| 15:31.58 | qwerty12 | with the 4.0.1 sdk |
| 15:32.08 | kpanic | qwerty12, yeah |
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| 15:32.32 | WorkingOnWise | is diablo released yet? |
| 15:32.36 | Jaffa | No |
| 15:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | No, WorkingOnWise. |
| 15:32.41 | WorkingOnWise | :( |
| 15:32.45 | WorkingOnWise | need blood |
| 15:32.50 | kpanic | johnx, thanks |
| 15:32.56 | qwerty12 | I held a gun to Nokia's head so some of us would get the beta. |
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| 15:33.33 | WorkingOnWise | lol @ qwerty12 I see they do in fact listen to reason. |
| 15:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | pictures qwerty12 standing next to a big office building in Helsinki with his stupid Glock. |
| 15:33.42 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, How do you browse with that font :p |
| 15:33.51 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Yes but minus stupid :p |
| 15:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | From the screenshot? |
| 15:33.58 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 15:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's the jpeg compression. |
| 15:34.03 | qwerty12 | Ah, skeen |
| 15:34.32 | GeneralAntilles | I shoulda taken the screenshot in tiff, but I'm lazy. :P |
| 15:34.46 | qwerty12 | Too late now :p |
| 15:34.49 | jdiaz | Well |
| 15:35.07 | qwerty12 | llew |
| 15:35.08 | jdiaz | I think I deciphered the image format of logo-nokia |
| 15:35.18 | qwerty12 | pancake already did it |
| 15:35.23 | jdiaz | oh yes? |
| 15:35.26 | qwerty12 | But it makes no difference. |
| 15:35.30 | qwerty12 | logo is in NOLO |
| 15:35.32 | jdiaz | I searched at ITT with no result |
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| 15:35.43 | qwerty12 | Check the 0xFFFF sources for logotool |
| 15:35.53 | qwerty12 | You can make and convert logo-nokia with it |
| 15:36.04 | pancake | :) |
| 15:36.07 | Jaffa | jdiaz: ITT is not the be-all and end-all of maemo knowledge :-) |
| 15:36.12 | qwerty12 | But I made a new logo and the one from NOLO is still shown. |
| 15:36.25 | jdiaz | but at least is less volatile that #maemo :-) |
| 15:36.27 | qwerty12 | pancake, nice job with 0xffff btw, saved my life when I was messing with initfs. |
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| 15:36.30 | jdiaz | (than) |
| 15:36.37 | pancake | thanks :) |
| 15:36.47 | pancake | i have to fix a bug in the unpacker |
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| 15:36.59 | pancake | but is quite stable for the rest :) |
| 15:37.02 | jdiaz | anyway, it was funny to reverse-engineer the format |
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| 15:37.14 | pancake | jdiaz: it is :) |
| 15:37.15 | jdiaz | I was asking here, two hours ago |
| 15:37.19 | pancake | quite easy algorithm |
| 15:37.27 | jdiaz | no one seemed to know the format, nor that it was deciphered |
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| 15:37.48 | jdiaz | yes, quite easy |
| 15:37.57 | pancake | http://news.nopcode.org/miau/pvc.cgi?prj=0xFFFF&leaf=b584ff82/1-pancake@dazo |
| 15:38.05 | jdiaz | qwerty12, you said that logo is in nolo |
| 15:38.06 | pancake | http://news.nopcode.org/miau/pvc.cgi?prj=0xFFFF&leaf=b2d6ab43/2-pancake@dazo |
| 15:38.14 | KotCzarny | miau? |
| 15:38.18 | qwerty12 | jdiaz, it is, i've even asked fanoush |
| 15:38.30 | qwerty12 | changing logo-nokia doesn't do anything |
| 15:38.33 | jdiaz | but there is a logo-nokia in initfs |
| 15:38.35 | qwerty12 | Infact, I even delete it now. |
| 15:38.43 | qwerty12 | and my Nokia logo is still there. |
| 15:38.47 | jdiaz | if I alter that logo, there would be no difference during boot? |
| 15:38.49 | qwerty12 | well, their nokia logo. |
| 15:38.50 | qwerty12 | Yes |
| 15:38.51 | KotCzarny | it's in nolo |
| 15:38.54 | qwerty12 | I've already been there. |
| 15:39.02 | qwerty12 | @jdiaz |
| 15:39.17 | jdiaz | but there is a call to show_image at linuxrc |
| 15:39.35 | KotCzarny | you can comment that line simply |
| 15:39.40 | KotCzarny | but there is still one in nolo |
| 15:39.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:39.49 | qwerty12 | Maybe my image was too big then, I seem to remember the program segfaulting with my new image... |
| 15:39.51 | KotCzarny | which shows just after boot |
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| 15:40.10 | qwerty12 | I'd rather see a ARM ASM expert dissassemble NOLO :) |
| 15:40.30 | jdiaz | ok, KotCzarny, I understand that in nolo there is a logo, and then there is another identical logo shown from linuxrc |
| 15:40.38 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 15:40.42 | KotCzarny | and another in rootfs |
| 15:40.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:40.46 | jdiaz | I can alter the second one, couldn't? |
| 15:40.57 | jdiaz | the third is the one with the hands, I suppose |
| 15:41.10 | qwerty12 | nah, there is another nokia logo in rootfs |
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| 15:42.00 | jdiaz | ah, of course, because the blue progress bar at the bottom is displayed from rootfs |
| 15:42.37 | jdiaz | the hands logo is probably displayed during X11 start |
| 15:42.50 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: you can alter every logo except one in nolo |
| 15:42.57 | KotCzarny | (blue 'NOKIA') |
| 15:43.23 | qwerty12 | after actually |
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| 15:44.34 | qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure that the NOLO logo is in secondary.bin due to the file size :/ |
| 15:44.42 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: just hunt every possible instance of show_image in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 15:44.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 15:46.10 | johnx | Woo! the new trend in China appears to have changed from cheap mp3 players to cheap embedded linux gadgets: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9047481010.html |
| 15:46.19 | johnx | I just wonder what an Xburst CPU is... |
| 15:46.24 | johnx | maybe an xscale clone? |
| 15:46.25 | qwerty12 | Who was it copied off? |
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| 15:47.33 | johnx | it looks quite a bit like an asus eee to me... |
| 15:47.49 | johnx | but so do all small, white sub-notebooks |
| 15:48.00 | qwerty12 | will always remember D&G: Dio And Gomez |
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| 15:48.40 | jdiaz | querty, yes... I've found the data of the logo inside secondary.bin. It begins at offset 0x1314c |
| 15:48.53 | johnx | qwerty12, ahaha...but not nearly as fun as some random linux gadget |
| 15:48.53 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 15:49.02 | qwerty12 | hehe, true |
| 15:49.25 | qwerty12 | jdiaz, I will love you forever if you make NOLO with black background |
| 15:49.44 | jdiaz | hmm |
| 15:50.00 | jdiaz | show_image accepts a parameter for specifying the color background |
| 15:50.07 | jdiaz | but I assume that nolo doesn't use show_image |
| 15:50.40 | qwerty12 | I don't think NOLO would have dependency on initfs, because then it would make dead flashing fun... |
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| 15:51.05 | qwerty12 | wonders if the colour is in hex |
| 15:51.21 | qwerty12 | it's how I edited the walkman colour on my phone |
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| 15:56.08 | m-c | hmm - bit of a newbish question - but, how do I make a SIP call using USER@DOMAIN.COM , with the Command Center software? |
| 15:56.36 | qwerty12 | Does anyone know if you can make the button on the headset (wired headset, N800 original) pause a song? |
| 15:57.08 | disq | qwerty12: kagu does it |
| 15:57.14 | jdiaz | eh, that reminds me that I always wondered what that button was for |
| 15:57.21 | qwerty12 | disq, Thanks |
| 15:57.27 | qwerty12 | jdiaz, for internet call afaik |
| 15:57.34 | Veggen | m-c: I know how I do it. I make a range in my asterisk for short-numbers and make asterisk do it ;) |
| 15:57.46 | jdiaz | the headset has a micro? |
| 15:57.53 | qwerty12 | My bro's N73 has same behavior with headset but it answers GSM calls etc |
| 15:57.58 | Veggen | m-c: but that's not a newbish answer, I guess ;P |
| 15:58.36 | jdiaz | I noticed that, when I push the button, the stereo seems to make wider |
| 15:58.42 | m-c | hmm - setting up asterisk is a bit more than I want to do |
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| 15:58.51 | m-c | I think installing gizmo would be easier |
| 15:58.55 | jdiaz | I even would say that with the button not pressed, the audio is mono |
| 15:59.06 | m-c | but thank you for your thoughts, Veggen |
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| 16:04.20 | VRe | Has anybody run to a case, where the application menu is totally empty? I was installing a lot of software listend in downloads.maemo.org and in the end I noticed that the menu is totally empty.. |
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| 16:19.23 | jdiaz | I've a question about RD mode... I don't recall having set RD mode ever, but I can gainroot, is that possible? |
| 16:19.44 | qwerty12 | If you have installed becomeroot or easyroot |
| 16:19.44 | Jaffa | Yes, using either SSH server; becomeroot package or easyroot package. |
| 16:19.53 | jdiaz | aha |
| 16:20.00 | qwerty12 | cal-tool will tell you current status on rd-mode |
| 16:20.17 | jdiaz | My first idea about becoming root (even without having read about it), was to install a ssh server |
| 16:20.29 | jdiaz | I did so the first day I received my n810 |
| 16:20.47 | jdiaz | then, I was tired of ssh localhost to become root, and I searched other easier ways |
| 16:21.01 | jdiaz | i discovered and installed easyroot, which is what I use now |
| 16:21.17 | jdiaz | so, some of these apps changed the tablet to rd mode, right? |
| 16:21.48 | johnx | nope |
| 16:21.53 | qwerty12 | Nah, they change the script not to run cal-tool to see if your tablet is in rd-mode ;) |
| 16:21.59 | jdiaz | ah |
| 16:22.12 | jdiaz | better this way, I guess |
| 16:22.21 | jdiaz | less risk of side effects |
| 16:22.44 | qwerty12 | would love to be able to modify config partition |
| 16:24.31 | qwerty12 | also wonders if I will have enough space to flash this diablo inifs with bootmenu and fb_update |
| 16:24.41 | qwerty12 | also realises I am annoying, sorry, |
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| 16:30.54 | Navi | sshhh, eet's mah seckretz |
| 16:31.37 | Mousey | uh |
| 16:32.35 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Man, which bootmenu.sh did you mod? "Ur one:# Copyright (C) 2006 Frantisek Dufka" latest:"# Copyright (C) 2006,2007,2008 Frantisek Dufka" :p |
| 16:33.34 | dneary | hi all |
| 16:33.45 | qwerty12 | hi |
| 16:33.51 | Navi | Hi |
| 16:34.10 | johnx | hi |
| 16:34.58 | KotCzarny | qwerty: hmm? |
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| 16:35.37 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, your bootmenu.sh seems to be from a old version. I'm looking at it now and the latest bootmenu.sh is quite different |
| 16:35.45 | qwerty12 | For one, it says 2008 :p |
| 16:36.08 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 16:36.17 | KotCzarny | i haven't redownloaded initfs-flash for a long time |
| 16:36.20 | KotCzarny | (since march ;) |
| 16:36.36 | qwerty12 | Hehe. I'm trying to figure out right changes now :) |
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| 16:39.12 | dneary | Hi Navi |
| 16:39.22 | dneary | Navi: Did you find that stuff useful? |
| 16:39.27 | dneary | I'm down to the Es |
| 16:39.37 | Navi | Yeah, it helps |
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| 16:40.45 | Navi | Though, I've been a bit preoccupied |
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| 17:04.09 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi ! |
| 17:04.16 | qwerty12 | Hi :) |
| 17:04.28 | Navi | Hullo |
| 17:04.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | what is the pdflush process ? |
| 17:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | Filesystem writes. |
| 17:04.56 | qwerty12 | A toilet for PDF files? |
| 17:05.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles is correct, but I like qwerty12's answer better |
| 17:05.25 | dneary | Navi: Hi! |
| 17:05.36 | Navi | dneary, hi again :D |
| 17:05.59 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I grab the bugs for him and he 104s |
| 17:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Peer is such a jerk. |
| 17:06.09 | Navi | Indeed |
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| 17:06.21 | johnx | must have entered a tunnel |
| 17:06.29 | johnx | that's when peer always sneaks up on his victims |
| 17:06.46 | dneary | Navi: I made it to F |
| 17:06.48 | Navi | Friggin' ninja |
| 17:06.52 | Navi | dneary, sweet |
| 17:07.00 | dneary | Well, almost - I need to figure out what to do with ExtendedFileSystem first |
| 17:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | Navi's made it to nothing. |
| 17:07.10 | qwerty12 | I'll be waiting behind Z with a Glock 40 |
| 17:07.10 | dneary | Want to do a bit of wiki sorting this evening? |
| 17:07.12 | Navi | I'll start working the opposite way as soon as GeneralAntilles stops bugging me |
| 17:07.18 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: He's been a great help |
| 17:07.29 | dneary | He spent about 3 hours sorting wiki pages a couple of days ago |
| 17:07.32 | GeneralAntilles | continues poking Navi with a sharpened stick. |
| 17:07.43 | qwerty12 | Hip Hip Hooray, Navi! |
| 17:07.58 | Navi | Heh |
| 17:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | All this time for the maemo wiki Navi and you still wont help me with wikipedia. :P |
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| 17:08.11 | Navi | dneary's overexaggerating a bit, but thanks :D |
| 17:08.14 | johnx | does anyone know if there are any nicely packaged fuse .debs for os2008? |
| 17:08.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, there you are! |
| 17:08.18 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_on_n810, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2602 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 |
| 17:08.25 | Navi | johnx, yes |
| 17:08.28 | dneary | Navi: 2 hours? |
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| 17:08.30 | qwerty12 | johnx, solmumaha's is the best I've seen |
| 17:08.30 | Khertan_on_n810 | hi again |
| 17:08.45 | dneary | So - do you want to take on the Fs, Gs and Hs? |
| 17:08.52 | Navi | dneary, I didn't help that much. The time's probably right, I wasn't keeping track |
| 17:08.54 | Khertan_on_n810 | yeah xchat don t respond due to 98% cpu eating |
| 17:08.58 | johnx | thanks, qwerty12/Navi |
| 17:09.02 | dneary | Or just Fs and Gs |
| 17:09.09 | dneary | There are lots of Hildon* and HOWTO* |
| 17:09.15 | Navi | dneary, I'll work the opposite way after I microwave some food |
| 17:09.18 | Khertan_on_n810 | is there a fix ? |
| 17:09.25 | Navi | start from Z upwards on the list |
| 17:09.33 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno, but there's lots of talking on bugzilla. :P |
| 17:09.34 | dneary | Navi: It's very time consuming & tedious work - all help is appreciated |
| 17:09.36 | Navi | s/upwards/and go upwards/ |
| 17:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | The N810 is the perfect place to read through all those comments and find out for yourself. :D |
| 17:09.53 | dneary | Cool, thanks |
| 17:10.03 | Navi | I will, that is |
| 17:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, is the outdated stuff getting dumped somewhere? |
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| 17:11.12 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Probably all shoved in a big long list behind a page called "Attic" or something |
| 17:11.19 | dneary | Haven't decided yet |
| 17:11.34 | dneary | It's text, so there's no real cost in keeping it around, if it does no harm |
| 17:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | Updating old stuff feels like something I'd like to invest time in. |
| 17:11.53 | dneary | But depending on where we put it, it might do harm (by cluttering things up) |
| 17:12.32 | dneary | Away |
| 17:12.38 | dneary | Bye! |
| 17:13.30 | Khertan_on_n810 | 100% /m |
| 17:13.38 | Khertan_on_n810 | df : 100% / |
| 17:13.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | that s the prob |
| 17:14.01 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I fucked up. |
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| 17:14.26 | Khertan_on_n810 | thx generalantilles ! |
| 17:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. ;) |
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| 17:16.28 | Khertan_on_n810 | just need to find how 20Mb have been filled |
| 17:17.24 | qwerty12 | I like using pipeline's searchmonkey with options to find files over the size of 50MB etc. |
| 17:19.21 | Khertan_on_n810 | bye |
| 17:19.25 | Khertan_on_n810 | take the car |
| 17:19.33 | Khertan_on_n810 | and thx for the help |
| 17:19.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | no need to reflash ! ouf ! |
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| 17:26.37 | legind | does anyone have a custom-made modules.dep for os2008? |
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| 17:27.04 | qwerty12 | You can use depmod to make one. jott gave me a binary |
| 17:27.22 | johnx | depmod -a |
| 17:27.29 | legind | qwerty12, you have the binary? where can i find it? |
| 17:27.49 | qwerty12 | http://sse2.net/depmod |
| 17:27.53 | qwerty12 | All thanks to jott |
| 17:28.03 | legind | great, much thanks |
| 17:28.16 | qwerty12 | And KotCzarny who helped me out at the time too :) |
| 17:28.38 | legind | will hopefully be converting his n800 into a cell phone using evdo :) |
| 17:28.49 | legind | and the usbserial module with custom options |
| 17:29.11 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:29.21 | KotCzarny | my app-man gets 401 on diablo repo |
| 17:29.34 | qwerty12 | You need latest apt built ;) |
| 17:29.45 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 17:29.52 | qwerty12 | Otherwise app man will never get into the repo |
| 17:30.02 | KotCzarny | how do i get it without having access to repo? |
| 17:30.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:30.12 | KotCzarny | unless i need to get it myself |
| 17:30.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:30.23 | qwerty12 | Maba told me you can specify a password in sources.list too :) |
| 17:30.55 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I assume you have password, or I can PM it you. |
| 17:31.12 | KotCzarny | pm |
| 17:31.39 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 17:31.46 | KotCzarny | i would have never guessed it |
| 17:31.58 | qwerty12 | Guess who was the first? ;) |
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| 17:32.15 | KotCzarny | i have seen your sig |
| 17:32.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:32.22 | qwerty12 | Hehe, bye. |
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| 17:37.41 | legind | is their an airprime module for the os2008 kernel? or a usbserial which accepts options? |
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| 17:58.37 | johnx | I really hate synaptic... |
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| 17:58.48 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, Would I be right in assuming that I remove -T 0's from individual text2screenlines. Because the bootmenu is coloured but except for the boot options and "powering off", I can't see nothing else. |
| 17:58.55 | Navi | johnx, I do too |
| 17:59.06 | johnx | aptitude is so much more sane |
| 17:59.06 | Navi | I miss aptitude |
| 17:59.11 | johnx | heh |
| 17:59.11 | KotCzarny | i have removed -T 0 but i have added it in T2S alias |
| 17:59.13 | KotCzarny | at the top |
| 17:59.19 | johnx | Navi, for the n800? |
| 17:59.19 | qwerty12_N800 | hates Asian food and I am an Asian lol |
| 17:59.21 | qwerty12_N800 | ok |
| 17:59.22 | Navi | But mostly for the commandlineness |
| 17:59.38 | KotCzarny | also, because of that screen gets cleared properly |
| 17:59.41 | johnx | I like aptitude because it actually does what I tell it to |
| 17:59.45 | KotCzarny | ie. in my chosen colors |
| 17:59.49 | Navi | I keep messing up by typing "apt-get search" and "apt-cache install" :P |
| 17:59.58 | johnx | yeah, I do that too |
| 18:00.28 | KotCzarny | compiles jffs2 module |
| 18:00.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:00.47 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, dselect is king :p (joke, don't touch myself) |
| 18:01.02 | johnx | Navi, also aptitude's conflict/broken resolution system is also about ten times sane |
| 18:01.08 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, O_o |
| 18:01.20 | Navi | Agreed |
| 18:01.23 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, Even ubuntu includes jffs2 module :p |
| 18:01.35 | KotCzarny | i usually compile my own kernel |
| 18:01.49 | KotCzarny | and never had any use for that module |
| 18:01.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:01.59 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I meant don't *touch* it myself lol |
| 18:02.23 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, hindsight is nice ;) |
| 18:02.27 | johnx | heh...I know, but I had to :P |
| 18:02.55 | johnx | I resisted switching from dselect for so long...but the brokenness of it's recommended handling finally changed my mind |
| 18:03.30 | Navi | stupid johnx |
| 18:03.42 | qwerty12_N800 | With newer apt, compiling aptitude for diablo is possible in theory |
| 18:03.45 | johnx | hey :P I changed my ways |
| 18:04.07 | Navi | np: Video Bargainville [Moxy Fruvous] |
| 18:04.10 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:04.19 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, yup. I'll try it when diablo is closer to launch and the ship a diablo sdk |
| 18:04.21 | johnx | Navi, :D |
| 18:05.19 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I'm gonna try tommorow, may as well as I need to recompile diablo app manager anyway :/ |
| 18:05.37 | johnx | alright, keep us posted then |
| 18:06.01 | Navi | Is the app manager separate from APT? |
| 18:06.08 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 18:06.09 | johnx | Navi, eh? |
| 18:06.13 | Navi | mmk |
| 18:06.21 | Navi | johnx, meaning, not an APT frontend |
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| 18:06.31 | johnx | it's an apt frontend |
| 18:06.35 | johnx | probably uses libapt |
| 18:06.44 | qwerty12_N800 | ah no, it isn't separate then :/ |
| 18:06.56 | summatusmentis | uh oh... my xfce panels disappeared |
| 18:06.59 | johnx | well I think. I mean...I never really looked |
| 18:06.59 | Navi | mmk |
| 18:07.04 | Navi | summatusmentis, probably crashed |
| 18:07.06 | johnx | summatusmentis, tap and hold on the root window |
| 18:07.16 | johnx | if you get a menu you're saved :) |
| 18:07.22 | summatusmentis | johnx: not on NIT, sorry :) |
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| 18:07.33 | Navi | just run xfce4-panel then |
| 18:07.35 | summatusmentis | I'm just complaining :) |
| 18:07.48 | summatusmentis | hrr |
| 18:07.51 | Navi | complainers all get pitchforque'd |
| 18:07.52 | summatusmentis | thanks Navi |
| 18:08.02 | summatusmentis | hides from the pitchforque |
| 18:08.30 | Navi | I need to add a GB of ram into this box or something |
| 18:08.49 | Navi | it'd run so much smoother if I did :| |
| 18:09.07 | johnx | how much does it have now? |
| 18:09.14 | johnx | also, what kinda box? cardboard? wood? |
| 18:09.44 | KotCzarny | chatter box |
| 18:09.51 | Navi | 256MB |
| 18:09.55 | qwerty12_N800 | lmao |
| 18:09.57 | johnx | O_o |
| 18:10.03 | qwerty12_N800 | has 2gb |
| 18:10.09 | johnx | uhm, yes |
| 18:10.17 | johnx | even another 512MB would do wonders |
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| 18:10.19 | Navi | I haven't felt the need to up it 'till now |
| 18:10.25 | qwerty12_N800 | useful for mounting initfses... |
| 18:13.11 | KotCzarny | gah. i had to run menuconfig thrice |
| 18:13.20 | qwerty12_N800 | muhahaha |
| 18:13.35 | johnx | yeah, the kernel's gotten bigger these days |
| 18:13.58 | johnx | I've been compiling my own since 1998 but the latest 2.6 releases are a little crazy |
| 18:14.02 | qwerty12_N800 | make qtconfig is all the love I need. |
| 18:14.34 | KotCzarny | qwerty: sure, especially over ssh |
| 18:14.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:14.44 | johnx | KotCzarny, ssh -X |
| 18:14.45 | summatusmentis | I don't like the X stuff |
| 18:14.57 | qwerty12_N800 | ssh! it's even better! |
| 18:15.04 | KotCzarny | johnx: ncurses version is faster |
| 18:15.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:15.27 | johnx | of course |
| 18:15.36 | johnx | I never disagreed :P |
| 18:17.35 | KotCzarny | ok, 5th time |
| 18:17.39 | johnx | heh |
| 18:18.13 | Navi | okay |
| 18:18.17 | Navi | weechat is totally memory leaking |
| 18:18.25 | qwerty12_N800 | irssi ftw |
| 18:18.34 | Navi | it's eating 75MB |
| 18:18.44 | qwerty12_N800 | after xchat that is |
| 18:19.02 | johnx | wait, you guys don't use telnet for IRC? |
| 18:19.02 | Navi | I'm not to big a fan of irssi |
| 18:19.12 | vililikku | Debian is cool in n800 |
| 18:19.14 | Navi | I couldn't ever get irssi to look the way I wanted |
| 18:19.16 | vililikku | btw :D |
| 18:19.26 | johnx | vililikku, glad you like it :D |
| 18:19.27 | Navi | vililikku, if by cool, you mean nerdy |
| 18:19.28 | Navi | NERD |
| 18:19.37 | qwerty12_N800 | ircii? you can be as boring as rst then :p |
| 18:19.53 | KotCzarny | epic ftw! |
| 18:20.16 | Knirch | ircII with schl0ng! |
| 18:20.47 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, ircii is fine |
| 18:21.08 | qwerty12_N800 | looks pretty dull though. |
| 18:21.13 | Navi | but I like my weechat script too :P |
| 18:21.49 | Navi | Anyways, I'll be back |
| 18:21.54 | Navi | freeing up some memory |
| 18:22.11 | johnx | woo! a nice package of smbnetfs! |
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| 18:23.24 | glass | nice |
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| 18:23.39 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, solmumaha's stuff? |
| 18:23.43 | KotCzarny | i love the modules which require booting from new kernel |
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| 18:24.08 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, solmumaha's wasn't based on the debian packages...and it had a couple issues that made it less than "install and go" |
| 18:24.09 | qwerty12_N800 | i <3 them |
| 18:24.42 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, Ah. your packages or from another source :) |
| 18:24.47 | johnx | debian :) |
| 18:25.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Ah :) |
| 18:25.12 | johnx | just a quick hack to the control file and it builds nicely |
| 18:25.34 | summatusmentis | is there a VM for maemo dev? |
| 18:25.45 | johnx | summatusmentis, yes. |
| 18:25.55 | qwerty12_N800 | by indt team |
| 18:26.03 | johnx | summatusmentis, http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 18:26.06 | summatusmentis | thanks! |
| 18:26.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Installing it on real linux or at least andlinux is better imho though |
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| 18:26.59 | johnx | it shouldn't make much difference if you have a fast machine and lots of RAM |
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| 18:27.15 | johnx | it wouldn't be fun for Navi though :P |
| 18:27.24 | qwerty12_N800 | I prefer the better integration |
| 18:27.25 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 18:27.27 | Navi | :P |
| 18:27.52 | johnx | got his 2 sticks of 512MB in a box of cereal |
| 18:28.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Who has spare ram to donate to Navi? :p |
| 18:28.13 | Navi | My brother's PC is several times better (and several years newer) than mine :P |
| 18:28.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Swap the motherboard :p |
| 18:28.38 | johnx | heh...actually, my little sister's computer is faster than mine too |
| 18:28.42 | johnx | hadn't thought of that |
| 18:29.14 | GAN800 | bought big enough thag the family laptops haven't quite caught up. . . . |
| 18:29.47 | johnx | any fuse filesystems people are interested in? |
| 18:29.57 | Navi | My brother's box has 2.5GB ram and the last Pentium D made |
| 18:30.07 | KotCzarny | johnx: wikipedia fs ? |
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| 18:30.07 | Navi | like, the model |
| 18:30.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:30.11 | Navi | not the last last one |
| 18:30.15 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, weedfs? |
| 18:30.20 | johnx | KotCzarny, sure, I'll look at it |
| 18:30.23 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, what is that? |
| 18:30.34 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, nothing :) |
| 18:30.54 | johnx | shakes his head...qwerty is weird |
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| 18:31.37 | qwerty12_N800 | lets just say, I'd have to pay lots for weedfs.... |
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| 18:31.53 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, yes...I think people get it |
| 18:31.57 | KotCzarny | i wonder if diablo initfs will work with chinook rootfs |
| 18:31.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:32.03 | Navi | weed isn't that expensive |
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| 18:32.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi = ex-dealer |
| 18:32.36 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:32.43 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, Should do. same kernel version. |
| 18:33.16 | KotCzarny | but diff software version |
| 18:33.22 | qwerty12_N800 | i was using chinook initfs with diablo rootfs fine |
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| 18:34.58 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:35.10 | KotCzarny | qwerty, can you check something for me? |
| 18:35.17 | qwerty12_N800 | sure |
| 18:35.44 | KotCzarny | is /mnt/inifs/usr/bin/bme_RX-34 bunch of 0s at the beginning? |
| 18:35.53 | KotCzarny | (on diablo initfs) |
| 18:36.21 | qwerty12_N800 | will cat work? |
| 18:36.32 | KotCzarny | use less |
| 18:36.50 | KotCzarny | 0 are ^@ |
| 18:37.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Doesn't look like it |
| 18:37.49 | KotCzarny | then i got broken fs after unpacking |
| 18:37.49 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:38.43 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, If you can wait till tommorow morning (for me, gmt), then I can ggive u tarball of diablo initfs |
| 18:38.50 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 18:38.56 | KotCzarny | i'll find out the cause myself |
| 18:42.38 | qwerty12_N800 | your call. meanwhile, i need to do fixes on yoour colour mod for me. can't see anything except for boot selection items :/ |
| 18:42.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:42.59 | KotCzarny | probably you have missed some -T 0 |
| 18:43.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Yeah :) |
| 18:43.13 | KotCzarny | i used search & replace in mcedit |
| 18:43.17 | KotCzarny | makes it easy ;) |
| 18:43.49 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll dump the initfs on the device and use leafpad |
| 18:44.34 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 18:44.42 | qwerty12_N800 | brb, i need to see if fb is working |
| 18:44.55 | KotCzarny | initfs from may 9th works ok |
| 18:45.03 | KotCzarny | today's is weird |
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| 18:50.21 | KotCzarny | ./batttest -b <state> |
| 18:50.21 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.21 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.23 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 18:50.36 | KotCzarny | does it mean we can make battery charging? |
| 18:50.42 | qwerty12_N800 | seen that one, never figured it out. |
| 18:50.59 | qwerty12_N800 | i think it's used in linuxrc |
| 18:51.33 | KotCzarny | actually playing with initfs is easy without reflashing |
| 18:52.03 | KotCzarny | 1/ mount initfs via jffs2 on pc |
| 18:52.14 | KotCzarny | 2/ mount that pc via sshfs |
| 18:52.25 | KotCzarny | 3/ chroot into that initfs |
| 18:52.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:52.34 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 18:52.41 | johnx | bye rm_you :/ |
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| 18:52.45 | KotCzarny | he was fast ;) |
| 18:53.01 | qwerty12_N800 | running away from johnx :p |
| 18:53.13 | johnx | -_-; |
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| 18:53.37 | Navi | We all do what we can to stay away from johnx |
| 18:53.51 | johnx | ...and yet it's never quite enough |
| 18:54.05 | Navi | include bribing the pilot to take the long route to avoid flying over Japan |
| 18:54.19 | Navi | s/e/ing/ |
| 18:54.26 | fysa | (:x |
| 18:54.40 | johnx | aaah...so that's what bribing is? with the gun and the ski masks? |
| 18:54.48 | Navi | Yeah |
| 18:54.56 | fysa | s/x/-o |
| 18:55.04 | fysa | s/x/-o/ |
| 18:55.11 | Navi | lmfao |
| 18:55.11 | johnx | hahaha |
| 18:55.16 | qwerty12_N800 | make ur mind up :p |
| 18:55.28 | fysa | s/-o/s/s/s/s/ |
| 18:55.34 | Navi | O_o |
| 18:55.41 | fysa | sorry. :P |
| 18:55.46 | Navi | :P |
| 18:56.17 | fysa | s/o/s\/o\/s\/ |
| 18:56.24 | fysa | I can't stop. |
| 18:56.33 | KotCzarny | wimax module is pc2400m.ko |
| 18:56.34 | fysa | I missed the last slash. |
| 18:56.37 | fysa | dies |
| 18:57.02 | qwerty12_N800 | i've already mentioned that on here :/ |
| 18:57.10 | johnx | fysa, trying to use an escape code to crash the intarwebs? |
| 18:57.10 | KotCzarny | never saw that |
| 18:57.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:57.22 | qwerty12_N800 | interface is wimax0 :) |
| 18:57.50 | Navi | ZOMG |
| 18:57.56 | qwerty12_N800 | brb, you can now hatch up ur plans to kill me |
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| 18:58.26 | Navi | FFS |
| 18:58.30 | Navi | What the hell? |
| 18:58.34 | Navi | I hate midguard |
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| 18:59.19 | AStorm | whooo! |
| 18:59.23 | Navi | s/u// |
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| 18:59.33 | AStorm | latest -omap has full HW keyboard support |
| 18:59.40 | AStorm | including stickiness |
| 18:59.48 | AStorm | although, the map is US |
| 18:59.51 | Navi | I can't save a change on midgard :| |
| 18:59.54 | johnx | yay! everyone will have sticky keyboards! |
| 18:59.56 | AStorm | I need to write a DE/PL map |
| 19:00.05 | AStorm | johnx: lol |
| 19:00.07 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, us? :( |
| 19:00.10 | AStorm | ~sticky |
| 19:00.21 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: US layout |
| 19:00.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, my bad, I mean WHY us!?! :p |
| 19:01.29 | AStorm | ~lart qwerty12_N800 adlib |
| 19:01.29 | infobot | shoots qwerty12_N800 adlib in the head |
| 19:01.53 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, If you write the code, you get to pick the keymap :P |
| 19:03.21 | disq | qwerty: any luck with the latest initfs? |
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| 19:03.38 | qwerty12_N800 | disq, Theres a new one? :o |
| 19:04.02 | disq | isn't there, with the update? kernel-diablo-flasher is updated i assumed so was initfs |
| 19:04.24 | KotCzarny | luck about what? |
| 19:04.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Nah, initfs is separate to that package |
| 19:04.47 | disq | KotCzarny: shrinkage :) |
| 19:05.44 | disq | yep, initfs-flasher is updated too |
| 19:05.56 | qwerty12_N800 | excuse me, but shitfuck. seems like there is a new one and I spent 3 hours adding coloured bootmenu into the old one :( |
| 19:07.28 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll strip the new one and merge my files from the old one into the new one and remake differences to new linuxrc |
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| 19:09.23 | AStorm | ~dict shitfuck |
| 19:09.27 | KotCzarny | i presume there is no new kernel source? |
| 19:10.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: definitely, but 2.6.26-rc1-omap should be good |
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| 19:10.27 | AStorm | KotCzarny: what about my btrfs-progs? |
| 19:10.57 | {abo} | Helllooo... :) |
| 19:11.09 | KotCzarny | astorm: if you have read what i have written you would know |
| 19:11.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:11.45 | AStorm | sorry, my log has overflowed |
| 19:11.49 | AStorm | is it there already? |
| 19:11.52 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:12.00 | AStorm | yay! |
| 19:12.07 | AStorm | runs to test |
| 19:12.08 | KotCzarny | it built without fixing anything |
| 19:12.10 | KotCzarny | weird |
| 19:12.19 | AStorm | maybe it got fixed upstream |
| 19:12.22 | KotCzarny | unless i missed some error messages |
| 19:12.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:12.25 | AStorm | (I notified the devs) |
| 19:12.49 | summatusmentis | can I map tab to a key on the N810? |
| 19:13.05 | AStorm | yes |
| 19:13.18 | AStorm | you can make your own keymap |
| 19:13.24 | summatusmentis | awesome :) will be purchasing one |
| 19:13.27 | AStorm | but to do so, get ukeyboard |
| 19:13.35 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure I like the fn thing, but I can handle it |
| 19:14.06 | KotCzarny | tar: usr/bin/test_panel: Cannot stat: Input/output error |
| 19:14.06 | {abo} | W000t! |
| 19:14.06 | KotCzarny | tar: usr/lib/libcal.so.0.3.0: Cannot stat: Input/output error |
| 19:14.08 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:14.12 | {abo} | just booted from MMC :) |
| 19:14.17 | KotCzarny | test_panel i could ignore |
| 19:14.21 | KotCzarny | but libcal |
| 19:14.22 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 19:14.32 | {abo} | doesn't need any help then :) |
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| 19:15.46 | legind | when I try to plug in my EVDO to the n800 usb in host mode, I get this: [ 401.773437] tusb_source_power 629: VBUS a_idle, devctl 80 otg 184 conf c0000001 prcm 00a80500 |
| 19:15.48 | AStorm | IO error? |
| 19:15.55 | AStorm | sounds like out of disk space |
| 19:16.00 | legind | does this mean that the n800 can't supply enough power? |
| 19:16.06 | KotCzarny | astorm: unlikely |
| 19:16.08 | qwerty12_N800 | legind, use usb hub |
| 19:16.25 | legind | qwerty12_N800, a usb hub with external power source? |
| 19:16.27 | AStorm | yes, you need a powered hub |
| 19:16.32 | legind | aha |
| 19:16.33 | legind | ok |
| 19:16.37 | KotCzarny | because bigger (and older) initfs mounted/copied ok |
| 19:16.49 | Veggen | n800 doesn't supply power at all? |
| 19:16.57 | Veggen | n810 supplys some? |
| 19:17.04 | AStorm | both do |
| 19:17.07 | AStorm | up to 100 mA |
| 19:17.09 | Veggen | ah. |
| 19:17.17 | AStorm | *maybe* 200 mA when forced |
| 19:17.30 | AStorm | (that's the max on that LDO wire from Menelaus) |
| 19:17.43 | AStorm | but USB has two levels: 100 mA and 500 mA |
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| 19:19.14 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you broke your flash |
| 19:19.18 | AStorm | congratulations! |
| 19:19.26 | KotCzarny | astorm: nope |
| 19:19.35 | AStorm | maybe just an upload error ;P |
| 19:19.37 | KotCzarny | i'm peeking inside diablo initfs |
| 19:19.44 | KotCzarny | not flashing anything yet |
| 19:20.11 | johnx | <3 dbus-scripts |
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| 19:20.17 | KotCzarny | interestingly initfs 2weeks old doesn't have such problems |
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| 19:20.37 | AStorm | ~whatis <3 |
| 19:20.39 | AStorm | ;) |
| 19:20.51 | qwerty12_N800 | f00king :p |
| 19:21.11 | AStorm | no, 2 |
| 19:21.43 | liquid217 | You guys might get a kick out of this. The dude uses a 770 to demonstrate bluetooth insecurities: http://www.5min.com/Video/How-To-Eavesdrop-on-Bluetooth-Conversations-925061 |
| 19:22.01 | qwerty12_N800 | saw that on digg :/ |
| 19:22.09 | johnx | liquid217, cool |
| 19:22.36 | summatusmentis | another reason to not use those dorky looking headset things |
| 19:22.42 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:22.48 | KotCzarny | lot's of fun happening in dmesg. |
| 19:22.54 | qwerty12_N800 | yerga's leaving message reminds me of nsync |
| 19:22.57 | Navi | You don't have to demonstrate bluetooth insecurities |
| 19:23.00 | Navi | it's fun though |
| 19:23.17 | KotCzarny | qwerty, are you sure you have complete tar.gz ? |
| 19:23.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:23.33 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm using it now ;) |
| 19:23.48 | qwerty12_N800 | but it's old one |
| 19:24.23 | m-c | hey guys - thanks for your help in the past getting the OGG codecs installed on my N800. Now, how can I set up the file manager so that the .OGG file types are always opened with the Media Player (OGG) ? This file association does not get "remembered" |
| 19:24.41 | Navi | Woo |
| 19:24.43 | qwerty12_N800 | use kulve's ogg-support |
| 19:24.46 | AStorm | m-c: check mime database |
| 19:24.50 | AStorm | yes :-) |
| 19:25.05 | KotCzarny | Perhaps the file system was created with the wrong erase size? |
| 19:25.06 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 19:25.16 | KotCzarny | what's the correct erasesize for initfs? |
| 19:25.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:25.53 | m-c | qwerty12_N800: that's how I got the Media Player (OGG) working |
| 19:26.16 | qwerty12_N800 | it should have associated with that then :/ |
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| 19:26.31 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm is right though |
| 19:26.38 | qwerty12_N800 | edit defaults.list |
| 19:27.05 | m-c | directory of defaults.list , please? |
| 19:27.17 | m-c | etc ? |
| 19:27.19 | acydlord | anyone ever notice there is a guy talking on an n800 in one of the cisco commercials |
| 19:27.37 | qwerty12_N800 | /usr/share/applications iirc |
| 19:27.39 | m-c | ty |
| 19:27.41 | {abo} | Uhm... I managed to boot the N810 from a removeable micro-SD card. But it's mounting the card both as / and as /media/mmc1, and ignoring the internal 2 GB flash. It seems that during the boot process mmcblk0 is the SD card, then the SD card shows up as mmcblk1. Any suggestions? |
| 19:27.53 | summatusmentis | where does the micro sd go? |
| 19:28.43 | {abo} | summatusmentis: Hmm? |
| 19:28.57 | hrw | summatusmentis: microsd + minisd adapter |
| 19:29.00 | summatusmentis | {abo}: on the N810, where is the slod |
| 19:29.01 | summatusmentis | slot* |
| 19:29.11 | summatusmentis | oh, mini sd slot |
| 19:29.12 | summatusmentis | nvm |
| 19:29.16 | {abo} | summatusmentis: Ah, behind the table stand thing. |
| 19:29.26 | summatusmentis | right |
| 19:29.41 | hrw | KotCzarny: EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2_nokia800 = "--pad --little-endian --eraseblock=0x20000 -n" |
| 19:29.49 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:29.50 | summatusmentis | I found that one(was playing w/ a device earlier), but had it in my head that a micro sd was what the N810 supported |
| 19:29.56 | KotCzarny | 128k ? |
| 19:30.12 | hrw | KotCzarny: yep |
| 19:30.30 | m-c | qwerty12_N800: default.list is linked to /etc/gnome , also |
| 19:30.34 | {abo} | summatusmentis: Well yeah since noone sells mini-SD, you get micro-SD + adapter anyway. :) |
| 19:30.40 | acydlord | 2 microsd slots instead of 1 mini sd would have been nice |
| 19:30.45 | summatusmentis | {abo}: that's fair :) |
| 19:31.22 | qwerty12_N800 | m-c, yep. edited that on pc before i realised properties did same thing :/ |
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| 19:31.32 | hrw | acydlord: omap2430 supports only 2 sd slots |
| 19:31.32 | m-c | and defaults.list is owned by root, so that explains why I cannot save my settings :/ |
| 19:31.43 | hrw | acydlord: and there is one used for internal card |
| 19:31.59 | qwerty12_N800 | anything in /etc and /usr needz root |
| 19:32.44 | AStorm | {abo}: that's been worked around in fanoush' initfs |
| 19:32.47 | m-c | and I need to red pill my NIT to get root, or something, huh? |
| 19:32.58 | Navi | Nah |
| 19:33.05 | qwerty12_N800 | easyroot @ www.nitapps.com |
| 19:33.07 | Navi | Just install easyroot, becomeroot, or ssh |
| 19:33.15 | m-c | okay, thanks |
| 19:33.22 | {abo} | AStorm: Ah... Yeah I just copied the rootfs and enabled mmc boot, didn't install anything like that. |
| 19:33.50 | qwerty12_N800 | you should :/ |
| 19:34.25 | m-c | nitapps.com :) :) :) nice site |
| 19:34.34 | {abo} | hmms |
| 19:35.07 | Navi | hmms x 2 |
| 19:35.17 | qwerty12_N800 | sighs as i set framebuffer back into manual |
| 19:35.53 | m-c | did not realize this NIT could tell me the temperature, too! is there no end to the new features? ;-) |
| 19:36.11 | acydlord | that feature has been around at least a year |
| 19:36.17 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:36.18 | acydlord | well that app |
| 19:36.32 | qwerty12_N800 | it's a script |
| 19:36.34 | KotCzarny | no erase size between 64 and 128k worked |
| 19:36.41 | qwerty12_N800 | i use it in conky |
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| 19:39.35 | hrw | KotCzarny: believe me - n8x0 has 128k eraseblock |
| 19:40.10 | Veggen | m-c: It has a light censor. |
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| 19:40.23 | m-c | Veggen: the n800 ? |
| 19:40.35 | Veggen | m-c: uh, perhaps not. but the n810 has. |
| 19:40.37 | acydlord | the n810 |
| 19:40.38 | qwerty12_N800 | 810 only |
| 19:40.58 | m-c | guess I will have to wait for a camera hack to tell when it is non-dark |
| 19:41.06 | qwerty12_N800 | 810's led is also multi coloured :( |
| 19:41.18 | qwerty12_N800 | my 800 is boring blue :( |
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| 19:41.43 | {abo} | qwerty12_N800: It's fun to look at the RGB led while moving the N810. :) |
| 19:41.44 | m-c | thankfully, I am pretty good at sensing dark and non-dark environments, myself |
| 19:41.54 | {abo} | You can see the individual colours. |
| 19:42.16 | qwerty12_N800 | :), in diablo mce, you can customize light patterns |
| 19:42.26 | Navi | Anyone know what language this is: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/supertux/ |
| 19:42.39 | qwerty12_N800 | also there is python script to choose colours |
| 19:42.44 | m-c | Navi: login required |
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| 19:42.48 | Jaffa | Navi: dutch? |
| 19:42.51 | Navi | m-c, remove the s |
| 19:43.34 | Jaffa | Navi: Google agrees: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://maemo.org/maemowiki/SuperTux&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/supertux/%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial%26hs%3DzHu |
| 19:43.35 | m-c | looks like sweedish |
| 19:43.50 | Navi | bleh |
| 19:43.58 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm good at recognising langs, wait a sec |
| 19:44.03 | Navi | I can't get the new google translate UI to work |
| 19:44.15 | qwerty12_N800 | it's dutch for sure |
| 19:44.18 | Navi | I'd ask my multilingual friend, but he's working right now |
| 19:44.20 | Navi | kk |
| 19:44.24 | summatusmentis | is that a full fledged usb port? I missed that when I was playing earlier |
| 19:44.27 | m-c | sorry |
| 19:44.32 | m-c | it is dutch / flemish |
| 19:44.41 | Navi | m-c, it's no problem |
| 19:44.49 | Navi | Thanks guys |
| 19:44.52 | m-c | sorry to all you sweeds out there I offended |
| 19:44.56 | m-c | or dutch |
| 19:45.00 | m-c | and everyone else |
| 19:45.04 | m-c | ;-) |
| 19:45.09 | Navi | Hehe |
| 19:45.38 | Jaffa | Didn't I already say Dutch, like 2 hours ago? ;-) |
| 19:46.01 | Navi | That makes it the only Dutch page I've come across so far |
| 19:46.12 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, exaggerate much? :p |
| 19:46.42 | Navi | Jaffa, you saying something reminds me |
| 19:46.44 | Jaffa | I've told you 100,000 times, I don't exagerate |
| 19:46.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
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| 19:47.06 | Navi | Jaffa, does tablet-encode transcode videos at a variable bitrate? |
| 19:48.22 | Jaffa | Navi: yes |
| 19:48.31 | Navi | Thought so |
| 19:48.43 | Navi | the minimum that is calculated is really low |
| 19:48.48 | Jaffa | I'm not aware of an option you can pass to lavc in mencoder to do it differently. |
| 19:48.56 | Jaffa | You can specify a max, you may be able to specify a min |
| 19:49.27 | Navi | I couldn't find a way to do it within tablet-encode without setting the variable myself |
| 19:49.41 | Navi | it looked really bad with animated videos |
| 19:50.08 | Jaffa | I'd be happy to add an option - or even an auto-calculated default - for min bitrate if you let me know the mencoder synatx (saves me looking it up ;-)) |
| 19:50.59 | Navi | tablet-encode's spoiled me, so I've forgotten how to use ffmpeg and mencoder |
| 19:51.09 | Navi | I have to reference manuals to use 'em now :P |
| 19:51.10 | Jaffa | Fairy nuff, I'll do grep on the manpage. |
| 19:51.32 | Navi | Fairy :D Hey! Listen! |
| 19:51.59 | Jaffa | Fairly obviously, it's "vrc_minrate" (to go with "vrc_maxrate" which is already specified. |
| 19:52.10 | Navi | :) |
| 19:52.19 | Jaffa | What'd you reckon a good auto minimum is? Half the specified bitrate? 3/4? |
| 19:52.43 | m-c | sorry - need more help - I inserted ... audio/ogg=hildon-mp_ui.desktop ... into defaults.list, but there was no change in the File Manager. Still not playing OGG files automatically |
| 19:52.53 | Navi | half sounds okay for most people |
| 19:53.12 | m-c | can someone check the syntax in their own /etc/gnome/defaults.list and tell me what they have? |
| 19:53.21 | qwerty12_N800 | try running update-mime-database |
| 19:53.25 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 19:53.28 | Jaffa | Navi: cool, I'll do it in next version |
| 19:53.29 | KotCzarny | finally mounted cleanly |
| 19:53.38 | Navi | Jaffa, woo \o/ |
| 19:53.41 | Navi | Thanks |
| 19:53.48 | KotCzarny | but older one. hum |
| 19:54.01 | KotCzarny | is it me or current initfs in diablo is broken? |
| 19:54.28 | qwerty12_N800 | i'll take a look tomorrow |
| 19:55.05 | qwerty12_N800 | should be able to work my magic on the new one |
| 19:55.07 | AStorm | KotCzarny: make a repo finally |
| 19:55.11 | KotCzarny | ah, nvm |
| 19:55.18 | AStorm | is it so hard to write one .install file? |
| 19:55.29 | KotCzarny | seems i have broken it with previous mount |
| 19:55.33 | KotCzarny | astorm: i don't wanna |
| 19:55.40 | KotCzarny | someone could add it to gronamyer |
| 19:55.40 | AStorm | y? |
| 19:55.50 | AStorm | so? |
| 19:55.51 | KotCzarny | and i start breaking people tablets |
| 19:55.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:55.55 | RST38h | yawn |
| 19:55.56 | AStorm | haha |
| 19:56.03 | AStorm | their fault |
| 19:56.09 | KotCzarny | astorm: packages is in n800/dist/ |
| 19:56.13 | KotCzarny | *package |
| 19:56.38 | AStorm | I know] |
| 19:57.16 | AStorm | btw, something in very base system is leaking mem :P |
| 19:57.20 | m-c | no change on the mime db |
| 19:57.40 | AStorm | ah, no |
| 19:57.48 | AStorm | python-launcher |
| 19:57.53 | m-c | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15194.html |
| 19:59.13 | m-c | just other people having mime issues |
| 19:59.23 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:59.38 | KotCzarny | usbflasher went from 23k to 139k in 3 weeks |
| 19:59.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:59.53 | KotCzarny | compares files in initfs |
| 20:00.18 | Jaffa | Navi: initial version of v2.19 now in subversion which should do what you want - https://garage.maemo.org/svn/mediautils/tablet-encode/tablet-encode |
| 20:00.28 | Navi | mmk |
| 20:00.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, nice work (v.fast) :) |
| 20:01.46 | Jaffa | seems to work on a quick Family Guy test, but time to go and help Mrs Jaffa with the ironing |
| 20:02.47 | KotCzarny | and some changes to omap2420_pa.bin |
| 20:03.30 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:03.37 | KotCzarny | if i see correctly |
| 20:03.42 | KotCzarny | there is libiw.so.29 |
| 20:03.53 | KotCzarny | does it mean we have iwconfig support now? |
| 20:03.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:04.12 | m-c | maybe I should reinstall that OGG configuration |
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| 20:06.47 | grumpus | hello |
| 20:07.05 | hrw | bye |
| 20:07.11 | grumpus | does anyone know if it is possible to install scratchbox on ubuntu/powerpc ? |
| 20:07.30 | AStorm | KotCzarny: seems it still hangs |
| 20:07.46 | AStorm | is it really the latest snapshot? |
| 20:07.54 | AStorm | (btrfs-unstable!) |
| 20:08.18 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:08.23 | AStorm | argh |
| 20:08.24 | KotCzarny | it was 14-something |
| 20:08.31 | hrw|gone | Jaffa: "tablet-encode -g" should open gui even without args |
| 20:08.31 | AStorm | no, it must be -git |
| 20:08.37 | AStorm | older ones hang |
| 20:08.39 | KotCzarny | link for git repo? |
| 20:08.44 | AStorm | (excluding really old ones) |
| 20:08.51 | KotCzarny | preferrably for a cmd line |
| 20:08.51 | AStorm | google has the link, but it's at git.kernel.org |
| 20:08.59 | KotCzarny | find me |
| 20:08.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:09.19 | AStorm | ok |
| 20:09.34 | AStorm | it's not in mercurial repo :> |
| 20:09.46 | AStorm | http://oss.oracle.com/mercurial/mason/btrfs-progs-unstable |
| 20:09.49 | AStorm | s/not/now/ |
| 20:09.51 | grumpus | or is scratchbox i386-only? |
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| 20:10.07 | AStorm | grumpus: scratchbox itself, probably not |
| 20:10.11 | AStorm | qemu, yes |
| 20:10.22 | m-c | kulve :) |
| 20:10.44 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you can easily grab a tar.bz2 from there too |
| 20:10.54 | grumpus | qemu runs on powerpc |
| 20:10.57 | AStorm | tar.gz actually |
| 20:11.00 | KotCzarny | tip.tar.gz ? |
| 20:11.04 | AStorm | grumpus: but not qemu-system for arm |
| 20:11.07 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yes |
| 20:11.18 | grumpus | oh :( |
| 20:12.24 | grumpus | my second question: did someone ever compile fortune for maemo? ;) |
| 20:12.25 | AStorm | KotCzarny: alternative url: http://kernel.org/hg/index.cgi/btrfs/progs-unstable/ |
| 20:13.00 | KotCzarny | you don't care about -Werror, right? |
| 20:13.10 | AStorm | I don't, as long as it works |
| 20:13.19 | AStorm | gimme a log with warnings for posterity |
| 20:13.27 | AStorm | (will feed it through cmason) |
| 20:13.30 | KotCzarny | extent-tree.c: In function `btrfs_make_block_groups': |
| 20:13.30 | KotCzarny | extent-tree.c:2362: warning: 'bit' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 20:13.45 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 20:13.48 | KotCzarny | insn failed |
| 20:13.54 | KotCzarny | what was that fix line again? |
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| 20:14.02 | AStorm | *something = NULL |
| 20:14.06 | Jaffa | hrw|gone: Hmm, thought it did. Doh. |
| 20:14.40 | AStorm | to memset(something, 0, sizeof typeofthatsomething); |
| 20:14.43 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.49 | KotCzarny | ok, how to fix it? |
| 20:15.04 | AStorm | hm, get a newer compiler? ;P |
| 20:17.03 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 20:17.08 | KotCzarny | i had 4.2.3 somewhere |
| 20:17.10 | KotCzarny | but where |
| 20:17.58 | czr | anyone on tokyo in the next 3-4 days? |
| 20:18.01 | czr | in even. |
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| 20:18.16 | timely | heh |
| 20:18.20 | timely | i'll be in berlin |
| 20:18.29 | timely | that's close, right? |
| 20:18.29 | Navi | woo |
| 20:18.34 | Navi | Indeed it is |
| 20:18.36 | czr | well, close enough! |
| 20:18.39 | czr | but not maybe for a meet / tee / coffee / whatnot |
| 20:19.32 | czr | timely, berlin = pleasure or biznis? |
| 20:19.53 | timely | !nok |
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| 20:20.17 | timely | my trips are generally not what i would normally consider "pleasure" |
| 20:20.31 | KotCzarny | scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1_1.0.8~20080421173500-1 |
| 20:20.32 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 20:20.34 | czr | mine neither. that's why this time I'm making an exception |
| 20:21.02 | KotCzarny | bad trips? |
| 20:21.06 | KotCzarny | change your dealer |
| 20:21.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:21.19 | AStorm | it's a good dealer |
| 20:21.21 | czr | KotCzarny, work-related :-) |
| 20:21.22 | AStorm | it pays for the trips |
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| 20:21.54 | qwerty12_N800 | dealer is expensive... |
| 20:21.57 | czr | work-related trips = suck ass normally. too tight schedule & too tired to do anything at the location if it even to happens to be any location you'd like to me (mostly not for me) |
| 20:22.08 | czr | to be even. |
| 20:22.38 | KotCzarny | pays for the trips but doesn allow to relax :) |
| 20:24.11 | qwerty12_N800 | ot, but how do epileptic people cope in Japan? |
| 20:24.26 | qwerty12_N800 | or rather Tokyo |
| 20:25.11 | johnx | I would assume they don't |
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| 20:25.36 | johnx | maybe leave their eyes closed the whole freakin' time? |
| 20:25.52 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, poor people |
| 20:26.07 | AStorm | they wear nifty blink removing glasses? |
| 20:26.42 | AStorm | maybe they all died out already |
| 20:26.56 | czr | has no idea. I wouldn't it to be too much worse than NY wrt flashing blinkenlichts |
| 20:26.56 | Navi | johnx, I leve my eyes closed |
| 20:27.10 | Navi | leave* |
| 20:28.03 | Navi | It makes people think you're crazy/blind/drunk/homeless, so it's funny |
| 20:29.05 | AStorm | KotCzarny: how the compile goes? |
| 20:29.22 | KotCzarny | installing gcc 4.2.1 |
| 20:29.28 | AStorm | :) |
| 20:33.45 | KotCzarny | any idea where apt-get downloads packages? |
| 20:34.05 | disq | err i know i know |
| 20:34.12 | qwerty12_N800 | /var/cache/simewhere iirc |
| 20:34.31 | KotCzarny | and in sbox1 context? |
| 20:34.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:34.38 | disq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.53 | qwerty12_N800 | kot, outside sbox? |
| 20:36.02 | KotCzarny | ok, found it |
| 20:36.13 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:36.25 | KotCzarny | Need to get 0B/65.3MB of archives. |
| 20:36.35 | KotCzarny | nice thing, not to redownload it ;) |
| 20:37.05 | qwerty12_N800 | i did same with 1st diablo install ;) |
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| 20:44.39 | summatusmentis | johnx: do you have the VM? you linked a torrent, but it's not seeding very well |
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| 20:46.17 | RST38h | so, how are thing? |
| 20:46.55 | AStorm | KotCzarny: ok, still installing that gcc? |
| 20:47.37 | KotCzarny | astorm, yup |
| 20:47.40 | qwerty12_N800 | tings dont run we, we run tings |
| 20:47.42 | johnx | summatusmentis, nope. sorry. I use the maemo sdk directly |
| 20:47.47 | KotCzarny | qemu freaked out |
| 20:47.50 | summatusmentis | johnx: alright |
| 20:47.54 | AStorm | KotCzarny: omg |
| 20:47.55 | KotCzarny | so i'm reinstalling 4.2.1 target |
| 20:48.10 | KotCzarny | and downloading scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1_1.0.8~20080421173500-1_i386 |
| 20:48.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:48.24 | johnx | summatusmentis, there's a two part direct download up too, it looks like |
| 20:49.06 | keesj | the radare looks very interesting |
| 20:49.40 | summatusmentis | I might just install it then... I don't know... |
| 20:50.19 | johnx | hmm, install the sdk directly? |
| 20:50.28 | KotCzarny | johnx: hmm? |
| 20:50.41 | johnx | KotCzarny, talking to summatusmentis |
| 20:50.44 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 20:50.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.59 | summatusmentis | johnx: I'm not sure... whatever is on the VM :) presumably the SDK |
| 20:51.07 | RST38h | Kot: Screw qemu - does not work right anyway |
| 20:51.22 | KotCzarny | rst: we will see with 1.08 |
| 20:51.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:51.25 | RST38h | trying to open a maemo file dialog in qemu makes it coredump application 100% of the time |
| 20:51.36 | johnx | summatusmentis, why not just download the VM? there's a direct download link on the site I linked... |
| 20:52.22 | summatusmentis | there is? |
| 20:52.27 | johnx | yes |
| 20:52.32 | johnx | right below the torrent link |
| 20:52.43 | johnx | it's in two parts |
| 20:53.02 | Navi | Don't forget to seed torrents |
| 20:53.07 | summatusmentis | oh, I get it |
| 20:53.10 | summatusmentis | my bad |
| 20:53.20 | johnx | that's ok. :) |
| 20:53.22 | AStorm | RST38h: hehehe |
| 20:53.33 | johnx | I'm going to bed now though :P |
| 20:53.33 | AStorm | thus, we should write a real emulator |
| 20:53.43 | Navi | johnx, pretty late :P |
| 20:54.08 | johnx | Navi, got your world clock setup? I have afternoon shift today |
| 20:54.39 | Navi | Hehe |
| 20:54.56 | Navi | No, but I've memorized timezones for different parts of the world |
| 20:55.33 | qwerty12_N800 | NURD |
| 20:55.34 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 20:55.44 | Navi | Duh |
| 20:55.51 | johnx | anyways, night all :P |
| 20:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Night |
| 20:56.45 | Navi | Night |
| 20:57.01 | RST38h | AStorm: just use a real thing! |
| 20:57.18 | AStorm | RST38h: sure, if it wasn't so sloooow |
| 20:57.31 | AStorm | you know how long just a build of a few things from CPAN took? |
| 20:57.56 | AStorm | to get anywhere near usable speed, I'd need an array of 20 such devices |
| 20:58.40 | KotCzarny | astorm: what about new kernel? |
| 20:58.50 | AStorm | soon |
| 20:58.50 | KotCzarny | (while packages are installing) |
| 20:58.56 | AStorm | I'll update and build it |
| 20:58.58 | AStorm | ok |
| 20:59.00 | Navi | RST38h, sure, I'll start using a real NES and stop playing with iNES |
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| 20:59.53 | jeff1f | Anyone think I can have both a bt headset and the n810 tethered to a n95 at the same time? |
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| 21:00.45 | AStorm | jeff1f: why not? |
| 21:00.54 | AStorm | the cpu would burn or what? |
| 21:01.01 | qwerty12_N800 | even my w810 can connect to more than 1 device |
| 21:01.03 | jeff1f | I didn't know it bt has the ability |
| 21:01.08 | jeff1f | if |
| 21:01.32 | AStorm | lol, it would be fairly pointless w/o that |
| 21:01.54 | KotCzarny | but safe |
| 21:01.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:02.01 | AStorm | not at all |
| 21:02.06 | AStorm | MITM would still work |
| 21:02.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:04.22 | jeff1f | Well then, I guess it's time to spend money on bt headphones |
| 21:04.35 | AStorm | why? |
| 21:04.38 | AStorm | they suck |
| 21:04.42 | rm_you | pfft |
| 21:04.46 | rm_you | BT headphones rock |
| 21:04.55 | glass | jeff1f: most bt devices support up to like 6 or 9 simultaneous connections |
| 21:05.00 | AStorm | rm_you: no, they don't |
| 21:05.02 | rm_you | i recommend getting the pendant adapter kind |
| 21:05.06 | AStorm | they suck quality-wise |
| 21:05.10 | rm_you | ? |
| 21:05.14 | rm_you | sound just as good as plugin |
| 21:05.18 | AStorm | normal phones with an adapter might be ok |
| 21:05.19 | rm_you | you must just have bad headphones |
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| 21:05.27 | glass | the actual phones in bt headsets suck most of the time |
| 21:05.28 | AStorm | rm_you: no, it's nowhere near as good ;P |
| 21:05.32 | glass | headphones that is |
| 21:05.34 | jeff1f | As long as it sounds decent while on the bus |
| 21:05.38 | AStorm | my CX300 don't agree with you |
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| 21:05.47 | KotCzarny | 'doesn't' |
| 21:05.48 | Navi | The expensive BT headphones are good |
| 21:06.05 | AStorm | even these expensive Etymoics are worse than wired ones |
| 21:06.13 | rm_you | I spent about $85 on my pair and they sound pretty good |
| 21:06.16 | AStorm | not to mention the BT senns |
| 21:06.21 | glass | i'd much rather have a pendandt and plug my own headphones to it, because the headphone parts break too |
| 21:06.26 | KotCzarny | has plugin sony headphones |
| 21:06.28 | KotCzarny | for 10$ |
| 21:06.30 | rm_you | but grab a pendant adapter and shove some earbuds on it and it sounds exactly the same |
| 21:06.32 | KotCzarny | and sound great |
| 21:06.33 | AStorm | rm_you: uhm, I won't take a guess what "pretty good" is for you |
| 21:06.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:06.38 | KotCzarny | (wired) |
| 21:06.40 | AStorm | KotCzarny: which one? ;P |
| 21:06.58 | KotCzarny | mdr-e808 |
| 21:06.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:07.06 | glass | i like the sound of cheap koss plugs.. i guess i'm a basshead |
| 21:07.08 | AStorm | rm_you: were Nokia default phones ok for you? |
| 21:07.13 | rm_you | dunno |
| 21:07.16 | rm_you | i threw em away |
| 21:07.23 | AStorm | heh, should've at least tried |
| 21:07.26 | rm_you | i use MDR-ex71s |
| 21:07.27 | glass | the nokia default phones have a habit of lacking bass |
| 21:07.35 | glass | rm_you: those are good :) |
| 21:07.41 | rm_you | they're pretty decent for how cheap they are |
| 21:07.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny: these aren't the worst, but they shouldn't even be near good headphones |
| 21:07.48 | glass | rm_you: i used to have them, but i like the koss plugs the same |
| 21:07.55 | AStorm | should be separate aisle for cheap ones |
| 21:08.04 | AStorm | so that people don't get confused |
| 21:08.05 | KotCzarny | astorm, they are for 10$ |
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| 21:08.09 | KotCzarny | what do you expect |
| 21:08.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:08.12 | AStorm | :> |
| 21:08.14 | KotCzarny | but sound great |
| 21:08.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:08.19 | rm_you | yeah mdr-ex71s were going for $10 on ebay a while back |
| 21:08.21 | AStorm | for $10, sure :-) |
| 21:08.27 | AStorm | ex71 I don't know |
| 21:08.31 | KotCzarny | light and portable |
| 21:08.34 | rm_you | prolly stolen off the assembly line in china (they WERE shipped from there) but whatev :P |
| 21:08.35 | glass | rm_you: woah? they were 60e here when i bought 'em |
| 21:08.51 | rm_you | glass: yeah, i bought 6 pairs of the at $10 a piece |
| 21:08.56 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:08.59 | glass | rm_you: thats a really nice deal |
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| 21:09.11 | rm_you | i run a pair through the laundry every month or so, i can't afford to buy more expensive headphones :p |
| 21:09.41 | rm_you | they have gone up, but they're still no more than $20 each |
| 21:09.50 | AStorm | heh, good phones survive a wash |
| 21:09.57 | rm_you | these SURVIVE |
| 21:09.59 | AStorm | CX100 at least did |
| 21:10.01 | rm_you | but they get really muddy sounding |
| 21:10.05 | AStorm | hehe |
| 21:10.07 | rm_you | so i give em away |
| 21:10.08 | AStorm | and CX didn't |
| 21:10.08 | Navi | :P |
| 21:10.09 | rm_you | :P |
| 21:10.13 | AStorm | (after drying) |
| 21:10.36 | AStorm | most likely yours' membrane sticked to something |
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| 21:11.02 | Navi | ooh, X-Fade is here |
| 21:11.56 | rm_you | yeah i thought about taking em apart |
| 21:12.00 | rm_you | but it wasn't worth the time |
| 21:12.08 | AStorm | sure |
| 21:12.09 | rm_you | $10 is like.... 20 minutes of work |
| 21:12.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:12.15 | AStorm | if they cost $100, then why not |
| 21:12.20 | rm_you | yeah |
| 21:12.28 | rm_you | i used to spend so much time fixing stuff like that |
| 21:12.38 | rm_you | then i realized i could just go to work for an hour and buy three new pair |
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| 21:12.44 | rm_you | it was a revelation :P |
| 21:12.55 | AStorm | heh |
| 21:12.57 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:13.09 | AStorm | I lost these CX100 (or they got stolen, not sure) |
| 21:13.12 | AStorm | ;P |
| 21:13.16 | rm_you | :( |
| 21:13.22 | AStorm | thus had to upgrade to CX300 |
| 21:13.32 | qwerty12_N800 | so sad... :p |
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| 21:13.48 | AStorm | they are funny sonically |
| 21:14.18 | Cptnodegard | i got cx300 too |
| 21:14.21 | Cptnodegard | theyre ok |
| 21:14.38 | AStorm | I'd like something more neutral, but ordering Ety from US will be hard - got no real credit card |
| 21:14.50 | AStorm | same with Germany |
| 21:14.51 | Cptnodegard | paypal |
| 21:14.52 | glass | paypal? |
| 21:15.09 | AStorm | no, payshit doesn't work |
| 21:15.10 | glass | don't need no real card, visa electron or such debit should do it? |
| 21:15.19 | AStorm | although... why not ;P |
| 21:15.25 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_1556.jpg :P |
| 21:15.30 | AStorm | I'll try it next time. |
| 21:15.41 | glass | it works.. had to use it just last week for some work stuff.. and i trust paypal more than i trust chinese |
| 21:15.50 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: mmmmh, Beyers... |
| 21:16.02 | Cptnodegard | you can transfer money to paypal using bank transfer |
| 21:16.14 | Cptnodegard | AStorm yup |
| 21:16.22 | glass | so it provides an useful service for buying from dodgy dealers(when buying pirated copies of modchips one might not trust the seller too mch) |
| 21:16.44 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: I know |
| 21:16.45 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:16.47 | rm_you | yeah I love paypal |
| 21:17.04 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: I got one cheap Beyer DT-230 too, overly good for the price |
| 21:17.07 | rm_you | only ever had money taken once, and it was my fault not paypal's.... and i got it back within a month with paypal's complaint service, sooooo |
| 21:17.09 | AStorm | a bit bass thin |
| 21:17.10 | glass | i must say that pirated modchips are the most attitude product i've ever bought |
| 21:17.20 | Cptnodegard | AStorm dont you mean dt231? |
| 21:17.27 | AStorm | uh, 231, yes |
| 21:17.28 | AStorm | ;> |
| 21:17.33 | qwerty12_N800 | the irony, pirated modchips... |
| 21:17.37 | Cptnodegard | i had those |
| 21:17.38 | rm_you | lol those headphones are bigger than the n800 :P |
| 21:17.41 | Cptnodegard | converted them to A2dp |
| 21:17.46 | AStorm | rm_you: yeah, they're for the laptop |
| 21:17.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:17.54 | Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/beyerdynamic-dt231-bluetooth-mod.html |
| 21:17.56 | AStorm | nice for games etc. |
| 21:18.01 | AStorm | comfy |
| 21:18.09 | Cptnodegard | sold those to a friend |
| 21:18.14 | Cptnodegard | the dt231 bt |
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| 21:18.53 | AStorm | should these have a bit more bass, they'd be great |
| 21:18.55 | rm_you | I need one of those $25 bluetooth things |
| 21:19.02 | AStorm | rm_you: get the $50 one |
| 21:19.06 | rm_you | did you ever try the more expensive one? |
| 21:19.06 | Saviq | anybody used bluetooth earphones with n8x0 here? |
| 21:19.15 | rm_you | Saviq: yes |
| 21:19.19 | AStorm | rm_you: I did, but don't have enough dough to spare |
| 21:19.23 | Cptnodegard | dont do that, spikes the cpu from what ive heard |
| 21:19.25 | Saviq | Like the moto s9 or something? |
| 21:19.51 | rm_you | Saviq: I used some logitec ones i bought in Akihabara |
| 21:20.05 | Saviq | Cptnodegard: oh :/ |
| 21:20.24 | rm_you | not the logitech you know... in japan it's a different brand, and the big name logitech is "logicool", lol |
| 21:20.40 | rm_you | AStorm: so you've tried both? |
| 21:20.41 | qwerty12_N800 | loves $30 a2dp headset that you plug any headphones into and it does mp3dec on the headset too so cpu usage is less on n800 :/ |
| 21:20.45 | Cptnodegard | ive ordered another a2dp receiver.... going to mod a pair of koss ksc75 clip on phones with it and use it with my nokia e51 when it comes - while biking. also use a BT gps and sports tracker |
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| 21:20.57 | AStorm | rm_you: I tried many different headphones |
| 21:21.19 | AStorm | pity I don't have like $500 to spare |
| 21:21.27 | Cptnodegard | the best solution for the tablets i think woul dbe a BT transmitter |
| 21:21.36 | rm_you | AStorm: so, between the $25 and $50 bt receivers, was there realy a noticable difference? |
| 21:21.38 | Saviq | qwerty12_N800: yeah well it kinda misses the wireless part... |
| 21:21.42 | AStorm | rm_you: ah, that |
| 21:21.47 | rm_you | Cptnodegard: i've had good luck working on a2dp on the n800 |
| 21:21.50 | AStorm | we used similar here in labs |
| 21:21.58 | shapr | Oh? a2dp works on the n800? |
| 21:22.03 | rm_you | yeah |
| 21:22.06 | AStorm | $25 one introduced major noise and crackles |
| 21:22.11 | Cptnodegard | define "good luck" |
| 21:22.12 | Cptnodegard | :d |
| 21:22.24 | rm_you | Cptnodegard: have you followed johnx and my work at all? |
| 21:22.32 | Cptnodegard | no.... :3 |
| 21:22.40 | AStorm | rm_you: we didn't use the exact one that guy tested |
| 21:22.42 | shapr | rm_you: Does it require lots of CPU? I tried a2dp on the 770, and it ate my batteries. |
| 21:22.43 | rm_you | got it so videos play sound over a2dp PERFECTLY with mplayer |
| 21:22.54 | rm_you | not too much |
| 21:22.55 | Cptnodegard | without cpu spikes? |
| 21:22.57 | qwerty12_N800 | Saviq, I can live with that wire :) |
| 21:22.57 | rm_you | yeah |
| 21:23.00 | rm_you | it's very stable |
| 21:23.04 | shapr | rm_you: Cool! where do I get it? |
| 21:23.08 | rm_you | it uses a bit extra, but... it isn't horrible |
| 21:23.22 | Cptnodegard | canola support? :3 |
| 21:23.26 | rm_you | music still has some issues, but there are workarounds |
| 21:23.33 | rm_you | Cptnodegard: still working on it |
| 21:23.33 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: works, why wouldn't it? |
| 21:23.43 | rm_you | need to force canola to use mplayer as a music backend |
| 21:23.46 | AStorm | yes |
| 21:23.47 | shapr | I mostly want a2dp music, so I can listen to music while I unicycle. |
| 21:23.50 | rm_you | haven't figured out how to do that yet |
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| 21:23.56 | rm_you | shapr: well, it works with Kagu |
| 21:23.58 | rm_you | and UKMP |
| 21:24.00 | shapr | Spiffy! |
| 21:24.01 | Cptnodegard | http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/Speakers.16/ibluon.260/BT-TD03/iBluon_Bluetooth_Stereo_Audio_Transmitter.2441.html would be an easier solution though :3 |
| 21:24.02 | qwerty12_N800 | you can have canola support, make atabake use mplayer rather than oms |
| 21:24.03 | shapr | That's enough for me. |
| 21:24.19 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: yeah i know it's possible, just don't know how |
| 21:24.22 | Saviq | qwerty12_N800: and a way to use the same phones for my phonecalls is a must for me |
| 21:24.22 | shapr | I do wish I could play FLACs over a2dp :-( |
| 21:24.26 | Cptnodegard | but it sure owuld be awesome to have a2dp working perfectly |
| 21:24.31 | rm_you | shapr: you can |
| 21:24.35 | shapr | how? |
| 21:24.36 | qwerty12_N800 | vi ~/.atabake/config |
| 21:24.39 | AStorm | shapr: mplayer should know it |
| 21:24.40 | shapr | Do they get dynamically recoded? |
| 21:24.43 | qwerty12_N800 | smth like that |
| 21:24.45 | Cptnodegard | shapr: you cannot :p |
| 21:24.47 | rm_you | shapr: i listen to my Nightwish flac files on a2dp :P |
| 21:24.56 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: why not? |
| 21:25.03 | rm_you | mplayer can play flac |
| 21:25.07 | Cptnodegard | they wont be flac anymore since flac bitrate is way over BT 2.0 specs |
| 21:25.09 | rm_you | CANOLA can play flac |
| 21:25.14 | rm_you | well, yes |
| 21:25.18 | rm_you | but they still PLAY |
| 21:25.20 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: BT 2.1 FTW |
| 21:25.23 | shapr | FLAC isn't a supported codec for a2dp, does mplayer re-code on the fly? |
| 21:25.35 | rm_you | mplayer re-encodes mp3 on the fly too... |
| 21:25.38 | AStorm | but it's still too slow |
| 21:25.38 | rm_you | it has to be coded to SBC |
| 21:25.42 | shapr | huh |
| 21:25.53 | shapr | I don't remember the quality of the SBC codec... |
| 21:25.54 | rm_you | lardman is working on a DSP SBC encoder |
| 21:25.55 | AStorm | BT is much too slow for sound |
| 21:25.56 | shapr | asks wikipedia |
| 21:25.57 | rm_you | which will be nice |
| 21:26.01 | AStorm | who votes for wifi phones? |
| 21:26.02 | AStorm | ;P |
| 21:26.03 | shapr | rm_you: That would be especially cool! |
| 21:26.05 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:26.06 | rm_you | yeah |
| 21:26.16 | rm_you | when he finishes that, i'm going to buy him a CASE of beer :P |
| 21:26.24 | shapr | Yeah, I'd buy him a beer, definitely. |
| 21:26.34 | rm_you | anyways, the post is on ITT somewhere, lemmie find it |
| 21:26.38 | shapr | thanks |
| 21:26.46 | Cptnodegard | meh i need to get to bed... exam tomorrow :/ |
| 21:27.00 | Cptnodegard | wonder if i can pass the n800 as a calculator |
| 21:27.03 | rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 |
| 21:27.07 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:27.08 | Cptnodegard | run tiemu and smily pretty |
| 21:27.10 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: I could |
| 21:27.15 | AStorm | run HP calc |
| 21:27.16 | Navi | Hehe |
| 21:27.19 | qwerty12_N800 | i cant :( |
| 21:27.22 | Navi | TIEmu is nicer |
| 21:27.22 | rm_you | the newest mplayer now includes my patch |
| 21:27.24 | AStorm | ah, right, no |
| 21:27.27 | qwerty12_N800 | i tried :/ |
| 21:27.28 | Cptnodegard | i got a ti92 rom on the emu |
| 21:27.30 | AStorm | they'll think it's a cell phone |
| 21:27.32 | rm_you | so don't have to worry about that anymore |
| 21:27.37 | rm_you | just follow his guide |
| 21:27.43 | rm_you | he has a deb at the bottom that does most of the work |
| 21:27.48 | qwerty12_N800 | "nokia" gives it away |
| 21:28.03 | rm_you | it's sad, OFFICIAL a2dp support can't be that far away |
| 21:28.09 | rm_you | and it's been working for like a year now |
| 21:28.13 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: nah |
| 21:28.20 | AStorm | it looks too much like an iPhone |
| 21:28.33 | Cptnodegard | we dont have iphones here :p |
| 21:28.39 | qwerty12_N800 | aww |
| 21:28.47 | rm_you | sec, gonna go grab my n800/BT headphones |
| 21:28.56 | KotCzarny | gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126) |
| 21:28.56 | qwerty12_N800 | count urself lucky :p |
| 21:28.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:29.12 | AStorm | KotCzarny: finally |
| 21:29.15 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:29.24 | KotCzarny | reinstalling again |
| 21:29.24 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: we have iPhone look-alikes |
| 21:29.28 | KotCzarny | machine crashed |
| 21:29.29 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:29.39 | Cptnodegard | oh well, sleep -> exam -> possibly SSH myself into the front of a passing trailer |
| 21:29.39 | qwerty12_N800 | only thing good about iphone is that i get free youtube in o2 shop |
| 21:29.40 | AStorm | nooooo! |
| 21:29.47 | KotCzarny | i should really take that hdd with badblock out |
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| 21:29.56 | AStorm | heh |
| 21:30.03 | practisevoodoo | has anyone got kismet working on os2008? |
| 21:30.11 | AStorm | yes, some people |
| 21:30.13 | AStorm | for short time |
| 21:30.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 21:32.37 | AStorm | thinks people should be shot for using phase inversion as a cheap replacement for real surround |
| 21:33.42 | AStorm | sounds like sh*t on headphones |
| 21:34.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:34.40 | KotCzarny | what's the sound of sh*t ? |
| 21:35.01 | AStorm | you know, why do you ask? ;P |
| 21:35.06 | shapr | Sort of like static, on a biological level. |
| 21:35.58 | rm_you | yeah so, by default music skips a lot |
| 21:36.02 | rm_you | but there's a way to fix that... |
| 21:36.04 | rm_you | looks |
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| 21:37.46 | RST38h | thinks people should be shot for using real surround as a cheap replacement for penis enlargement surgery |
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| 21:37.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:37.58 | qwerty12_N800 | lmao |
| 21:38.01 | KotCzarny | shot in the ears? |
| 21:38.03 | KotCzarny | or penis? |
| 21:38.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:38.15 | qwerty12_N800 | balloon pump is best |
| 21:38.29 | KotCzarny | hand massage is better :P |
| 21:38.51 | qwerty12_N800 | reminds of deleted borat scene |
| 21:38.56 | KotCzarny | shopped |
| 21:39.01 | RST38h | they had to DELETE a scene?\ |
| 21:39.27 | RST38h | I mean, they did not delete the whole damn movie but had to delete a scene somehow? |
| 21:39.44 | rm_you | what's the bash variable for "all arguments"? |
| 21:39.51 | KotCzarny | $* |
| 21:39.52 | rm_you | is it $@? |
| 21:39.53 | rm_you | ah |
| 21:39.57 | qwerty12_N800 | 3rd update of diablo and microb still sucks cock.. |
| 21:39.58 | rm_you | does that include $0? |
| 21:40.00 | KotCzarny | $@ could probably work too |
| 21:40.32 | RST38h | $* |
| 21:40.49 | RST38h | But $n- will work too |
| 21:40.55 | rm_you | does $* include $0? |
| 21:41.00 | rm_you | cause I DON'T want $0 |
| 21:41.02 | RST38h | where n is the first argument |
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| 21:41.06 | RST38h | rm_you: $1- |
| 21:41.11 | KotCzarny | rm_you: probably not |
| 21:41.18 | rm_you | let's test, shall we? :P |
| 21:41.20 | rm_you | tests |
| 21:41.38 | rm_you | yep, works |
| 21:41.43 | rm_you | $* doesn't include $0 |
| 21:41.59 | KotCzarny | beware thouhg |
| 21:42.15 | KotCzarny | if you had any "blah blah" they will get splitted |
| 21:42.28 | rm_you | >_> |
| 21:42.30 | rm_you | why? |
| 21:42.35 | KotCzarny | don't ask me |
| 21:42.36 | rm_you | quoting doesnt work? |
| 21:42.39 | rm_you | >_> |
| 21:42.39 | KotCzarny | it's stupid. |
| 21:42.50 | AStorm | $@ doesn't break quotes |
| 21:42.52 | AStorm | $* does |
| 21:42.57 | KotCzarny | ever seen "$1" "$2" "$3" in scripts? |
| 21:42.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:42.59 | AStorm | or the other way |
| 21:43.02 | KotCzarny | astorm: o |
| 21:43.05 | KotCzarny | good to know |
| 21:43.05 | rm_you | AH, $@ |
| 21:43.06 | rm_you | see |
| 21:43.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:43.16 | KotCzarny | are there any other differences? |
| 21:43.17 | rm_you | i knew I used $@ for a reason :P |
| 21:43.34 | KotCzarny | also do i have to quote $@ ? |
| 21:43.50 | rm_you | wtf |
| 21:43.59 | rm_you | n800 doesn't include "nice" by default? >_> |
| 21:44.01 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not necessarily |
| 21:44.03 | rm_you | installs nice |
| 21:44.11 | KotCzarny | rm_you: but renice is there |
| 21:44.15 | AStorm | rm_you: they overdid the "embedded" thingy |
| 21:44.22 | AStorm | built a stripped busybox |
| 21:44.34 | KotCzarny | and threw hildon |
| 21:44.35 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 21:44.39 | rm_you | does nice exist in the repos? |
| 21:44.44 | rm_you | or do I *HAVE* to use renice |
| 21:45.08 | qwerty12_N800 | is it in coreutils? |
| 21:45.09 | AStorm | coreutils exist in the repos |
| 21:45.19 | AStorm | but requires a moderate hack to install |
| 21:45.22 | KotCzarny | but conflicts with everything |
| 21:45.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:45.23 | AStorm | work fine |
| 21:45.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:45.35 | qwerty12_N800 | my hack works ;) |
| 21:45.36 | rm_you | will remove busybox >_< |
| 21:45.38 | rm_you | stupid |
| 21:45.41 | KotCzarny | well, with busybox at least |
| 21:45.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:45.46 | rm_you | ok, i guess i'll just use renice |
| 21:45.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:45.51 | rm_you | though I LOVE the message it gives |
| 21:45.57 | rm_you | makes you type "Yes, do as I say!" :P |
| 21:46.12 | KotCzarny | copypaste |
| 21:46.12 | rm_you | try talking your way out of that one |
| 21:46.14 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 21:46.32 | derf | echo |
| 21:46.41 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, you can extract the nice binary from coreutils. i ccan even do it from this tablet but i cant be arsed :p |
| 21:46.51 | rm_you | "well, I installed this app, and it broke my n800." "well, did it warn you about anything?" "well, it did make me explicitly tell it to override all safety protocols...." "......." |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/depmod.modutils' with |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | how to fix it? |
| 21:47.43 | AStorm | --force |
| 21:47.53 | AStorm | I suggest --force all |
| 21:48.01 | rm_you | LOL |
| 21:48.07 | rm_you | i love the default VI install... |
| 21:48.12 | KotCzarny | apt-get --force-all -f install |
| 21:48.12 | KotCzarny | E: Command line option --force-all is not understood |
| 21:48.14 | rm_you | "u" is not implimented |
| 21:48.15 | rm_you | >_< |
| 21:48.19 | AStorm | KotCzarny: dpkg |
| 21:48.26 | timely | rm_you: that'll teach you not to make mistakes ;) |
| 21:48.31 | AStorm | rm_you: yes, busybox vi, stripped down below bare essentials |
| 21:48.34 | AStorm | install vim |
| 21:48.38 | rm_you | lol yes |
| 21:49.02 | KotCzarny | same error with dpkg and force |
| 21:49.05 | rm_you | hrm |
| 21:49.16 | rm_you | i wonder how to get mplayer to give me its PID back |
| 21:49.23 | qwerty12_N800 | pidof |
| 21:49.24 | AStorm | KotCzarny: then remove that depmod |
| 21:49.28 | AStorm | who cares about it ;P |
| 21:49.55 | KotCzarny | how to find which pkg owns it? |
| 21:49.59 | qwerty12_N800 | renice wotever `pidof mplayer` |
| 21:50.03 | AStorm | apt-cache? |
| 21:50.12 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: where wotever == -5 |
| 21:50.12 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 21:50.16 | timely | dpkg -S or something |
| 21:50.19 | AStorm | :> |
| 21:50.41 | KotCzarny | dpkg -S /sbin/depmod |
| 21:50.41 | KotCzarny | dpkg: /sbin/depmod not found. |
| 21:54.04 | AStorm | it's depmod.modutils ;P |
| 21:54.13 | AStorm | I suspect it's from busybox |
| 21:54.25 | KotCzarny | went into rm frenzy |
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| 21:54.59 | qwerty12_N800 | that works too |
| 21:55.03 | KotCzarny | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/fr/man5/modules.modutils.5.gz' with |
| 21:55.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.09 | KotCzarny | fun, isn't it? |
| 21:55.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.35 | qwerty12_N800 | you speak french? i sure dont. delete! :p |
| 21:56.18 | AStorm | KotCzarny: :> |
| 21:56.39 | rm_you | bah how do i make this show me priorities |
| 21:56.51 | rm_you | both ps and top aren't giving me the column they normally do for priorities |
| 21:56.51 | KotCzarny | rm_you: top |
| 21:56.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:56.58 | rm_you | >_> |
| 21:57.04 | KotCzarny | just unpack normal top from coreutils |
| 21:57.07 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:57.09 | rm_you | bah |
| 21:57.11 | KotCzarny | and put into /usr/local |
| 21:57.17 | AStorm | rm_you: grab procps |
| 21:57.20 | rm_you | the problem is i don't have wireless on my n800 at the moment |
| 21:57.26 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it's not in coreutils, but in procps |
| 21:57.33 | KotCzarny | whatever :> |
| 21:57.38 | KotCzarny | mmmkay |
| 21:57.38 | rm_you | any other way to do it? |
| 21:57.42 | AStorm | btw, could you build us htop? |
| 21:57.47 | KotCzarny | seems like i have newest qemu and gcc |
| 21:58.01 | qwerty12_N800 | it's already available - htop that is |
| 21:58.12 | qwerty12_N800 | nokia built it themselves |
| 21:58.30 | AStorm | really? |
| 21:58.33 | AStorm | couldn't find it |
| 21:59.01 | qwerty12_N800 | google sp-error-visualiser, same page as that |
| 22:00.10 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, lucky :p. new qemu works but new compilers f*ck up in my sbox |
| 22:00.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:00.41 | KotCzarny | define 'f*ck up' |
| 22:01.06 | rm_you | DAMN |
| 22:01.09 | rm_you | this is pissing me off >_< |
| 22:01.22 | qwerty12_N800 | i try compiling a program and it says it's for wrong arch |
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| 22:01.30 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 22:01.30 | rm_you | is there seriously no way to see the current priority of a process without getting a custom version of top or ps? |
| 22:01.38 | AStorm | hm.... how do I press Fxx keys in htop? ;p |
| 22:01.43 | KotCzarny | rm_you: maybe in /proc ? |
| 22:01.55 | AStorm | ah, tab them ;P |
| 22:01.56 | KotCzarny | astorm: use xvkbg |
| 22:01.59 | KotCzarny | xvkbd |
| 22:02.01 | AStorm | *tap |
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| 22:02.04 | AStorm | no need to |
| 22:02.12 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, usb a binary over |
| 22:02.15 | AStorm | they're sensitive to the mouse press |
| 22:02.34 | rm_you | ah i can bluetooth it |
| 22:02.45 | rm_you | do i need coreutils or procps? |
| 22:02.50 | KotCzarny | procps |
| 22:02.52 | qwerty12_N800 | procps |
| 22:02.54 | rm_you | k |
| 22:03.04 | AStorm | or htop instead |
| 22:03.08 | AStorm | which is top, but better |
| 22:03.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny: ok, 2.6.26-rcx-omapx built |
| 22:03.58 | qwerty12_N800 | just extract top binary tho, otherwise apt is probably whine like a p*ssy about busybox |
| 22:03.58 | KotCzarny | whoo hoo |
| 22:04.02 | KotCzarny | but boots? |
| 22:04.07 | AStorm | dunno yet |
| 22:04.12 | AStorm | waiting for your btrfs-tools |
| 22:04.27 | AStorm | I need to clone my rootfs to that other partition |
| 22:04.43 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, you can compile n8*0 kernels but not programs? 0.o |
| 22:04.56 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: cross compiler |
| 22:04.59 | AStorm | in Gentoo |
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| 22:05.07 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, ahh :) |
| 22:05.14 | AStorm | building programs should be possible too, but a bit of work |
| 22:05.17 | AStorm | and no packaging |
| 22:07.01 | rm_you | bleh, how do i unpack debs on this? |
| 22:07.08 | rm_you | i usually use tar on my pc, but it isn't working |
| 22:07.08 | AStorm | dpkg? |
| 22:07.11 | AStorm | apt-get? |
| 22:07.19 | AStorm | debs are packed with ar |
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| 22:07.26 | rm_you | hrm, tar works on PC >_> |
| 22:07.29 | KotCzarny | astorm: compiled, /n800/binaries/ |
| 22:07.31 | qwerty12_N800 | dpkg -x .deb /where/to |
| 22:07.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: why not n800/dist? ;P |
| 22:07.49 | KotCzarny | dist is for .debs |
| 22:07.59 | AStorm | ahh, it's a tarball? |
| 22:08.02 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 22:11.33 | KotCzarny | ok, who wants anything built with a shiny new gcc 4.2.3 ? |
| 22:11.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:11.57 | qwerty12_N800 | Aleph 1 :p |
| 22:12.30 | KotCzarny | is it in debian repo? |
| 22:12.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:12.54 | qwerty12_N800 | probably not :) |
| 22:13.20 | rm_you | damnit |
| 22:13.34 | qwerty12_N800 | you need to include mesa headers and then configure w/out opengl |
| 22:14.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yay, that worked! |
| 22:14.02 | AStorm | :* |
| 22:14.08 | KotCzarny | good |
| 22:14.18 | KotCzarny | because i didn't knew to which glibc it was linked |
| 22:14.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 22:15.45 | AStorm | who cares, use static uclibc ;P |
| 22:16.06 | KotCzarny | not included by default |
| 22:16.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:16.49 | AStorm | ok, now |
| 22:16.57 | AStorm | how would I best clone a running system? |
| 22:17.10 | AStorm | ah, answered myself, run my new kernel or an old one |
| 22:17.14 | AStorm | with a diff initfs |
| 22:17.21 | AStorm | and run cp -a |
| 22:17.29 | AStorm | or maybe... |
| 22:17.38 | AStorm | mount the rootfs somewhere else, then cp -a |
| 22:17.39 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:18.00 | KotCzarny | mount --bind |
| 22:18.07 | AStorm | yes |
| 22:18.12 | AStorm | or just normal mount |
| 22:18.14 | KotCzarny | otherwise you end up copying junk |
| 22:18.37 | rm_you | hrm, weird |
| 22:18.43 | KotCzarny | astorm: wanna my clone.sh script? |
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| 22:18.51 | KotCzarny | it will format card and copy and everything |
| 22:18.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:19.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, I'll be done before you'll gimme the link |
| 22:21.00 | rm_you | wow i'm dumb |
| 22:21.22 | rm_you | i'm like... WHY ISN'T MY RENICE WORKING!??! THE COMMAND WORKS WHEN I TYPE IT OUTSIDE THE SCRIPT BUT NOT IN THE SCRIPT, WTF!!! |
| 22:21.30 | rm_you | and then i realized i forgot to background mplayer :P |
| 22:21.35 | AStorm | copy in progress ; |
| 22:21.36 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:21.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:22.50 | AStorm | done |
| 22:22.57 | AStorm | time for reboot |
| 22:23.01 | AStorm | ah, not yet done |
| 22:23.06 | AStorm | top lied to me ;) |
| 22:23.52 | AStorm | cpu is busy unpacking jffs2 |
| 22:24.00 | disq | just updated the diablo and then flashed the rotation kernel, boots |
| 22:24.28 | qwerty12_N800 | diablo kernel doesn't like 810 |
| 22:24.31 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 22:24.37 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 22:24.56 | timely | hrw|gone: talk to eero |
| 22:25.07 | timely | they were asking if we could pull it into diablo |
| 22:25.14 | timely | it seems it didn't work w/ the tutorial |
| 22:25.23 | timely | i'm not sure if that was the flash bits or not |
| 22:28.05 | AStorm | copy done, time for test reboot |
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| 22:29.04 | KotCzarny | ok, bedtime |
| 22:29.12 | AStorm | argh, have to mod initfs |
| 22:29.35 | rm_you | ha got it |
| 22:29.37 | rm_you | simple |
| 22:29.50 | rm_you | so, if you renice mplayer to -5 then it won't skip playing a2dp |
| 22:30.06 | KotCzarny | but still will hog the cpu? |
| 22:30.07 | AStorm | yes, it's because O(1) sched is stupid |
| 22:30.12 | rm_you | no |
| 22:30.13 | AStorm | and esd is reniced to -5 |
| 22:30.24 | rm_you | it's weird |
| 22:30.27 | AStorm | ditch esd and all will be well |
| 22:30.29 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:30.30 | rm_you | it only uses like 25% cpu playing audio |
| 22:30.34 | AStorm | or nice it to 0 |
| 22:30.37 | rm_you | but without renice -5, it skips |
| 22:30.44 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 22:30.54 | KotCzarny | xorg and everything get in the way |
| 22:31.01 | rm_you | it works FINE with video |
| 22:31.05 | rm_you | which makes no sense |
| 22:31.14 | rm_you | because it is working harder |
| 22:31.15 | AStorm | unfair, random scheduling ;P |
| 22:31.16 | rm_you | but whatev |
| 22:31.35 | AStorm | run while true; do; done |
| 22:31.39 | AStorm | and see it fail |
| 22:32.13 | rm_you | ok so yeah, i guess it does use 40-50% on a2dp |
| 22:32.24 | rm_you | but at least it works nicely |
| 22:32.48 | rm_you | if you want to listen to music for like 4 hours tho, it won't exactly work on battery <_< |
| 22:32.56 | rm_you | but it's nice when i'm at home or for short periods |
| 22:33.01 | rm_you | like when i go to class |
| 22:33.26 | rm_you | again, can't wait till lardman finishes working on the DSP-SBC encoder :p |
| 22:34.03 | AStorm | ok, where do I get jffs2 tools? |
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| 22:34.10 | rm_you | are they not in extras? |
| 22:34.13 | AStorm | no no |
| 22:34.17 | AStorm | I mean, like, in Gentoo |
| 22:34.45 | rm_you | oh, lo |
| 22:34.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:35.24 | AStorm | maybe the name is different |
| 22:35.32 | qwerty12_N800 | mtd-utils? |
| 22:35.34 | rm_you | emerge -S jffs2? |
| 22:35.51 | rm_you | i may go back to gentoo this summer |
| 22:35.57 | AStorm | mtd-utils are there |
| 22:35.57 | rm_you | ubuntu/debian has been pissing me off |
| 22:36.08 | rm_you | it drops me to initfs with boot failures like 4/5 reboots |
| 22:36.36 | KotCzarny | astorm: just get fanoush initfs-flasher |
| 22:36.40 | KotCzarny | mtd-utils are inside |
| 22:36.45 | qwerty12_N800 | not all |
| 22:36.54 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not mkfs.jffs2 |
| 22:36.57 | KotCzarny | necessary for initfs building |
| 22:37.00 | qwerty12_N800 | that is |
| 22:37.05 | AStorm | and I still want these on Gentoo ;P |
| 22:37.17 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:37.33 | AStorm | yes, it's in mtd-utils |
| 22:37.41 | KotCzarny | flash_eraseall mkfs.jffs2 nanddump nandwrite sumtool |
| 22:37.43 | rm_you | I think canola may not be happy hooking into mplayer when /usr/bin/mplayer is actually my own bash script >_> |
| 22:37.44 | qwerty12_N800 | mkfs.jffs2 is part of mtd-utils, it's how i've been building initfs's |
| 22:37.59 | rm_you | it's entirely failing to start playing anything |
| 22:38.05 | KotCzarny | qwerty: it's included .. |
| 22:39.10 | qwerty12_N800 | i've got all the arm mtd-utils built :/ |
| 22:39.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:39.37 | qwerty12_N800 | fanoush gave me source because git wouldn't compile for me :) |
| 22:39.37 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:39.45 | AStorm | ok, time to flash the initfs |
| 22:41.18 | rm_you | yeah, darn... |
| 22:41.32 | rm_you | anyone know how kagu/canola hook into mplayer? |
| 22:41.37 | rm_you | i guess it doesn't like my scripts |
| 22:42.59 | AStorm | these use so-called embedded mode |
| 22:43.04 | AStorm | call mplayer with some args |
| 22:43.39 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:43.58 | rm_you | well, when i use a script that is essentially just "mplayer.real $@" it doesnt work |
| 22:44.30 | KotCzarny | maybe you need -idle -slave ? |
| 22:44.36 | KotCzarny | and probably -v too |
| 22:44.39 | rm_you | but it should pass those on |
| 22:44.40 | rm_you | >_> |
| 22:44.43 | rm_you | right? |
| 22:44.51 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 22:44.53 | rm_you | <_< |
| 22:44.53 | KotCzarny | debug to /tmp |
| 22:45.02 | KotCzarny | ie. echo "$@" >/tmp/something |
| 22:45.10 | KotCzarny | you will know what's passed |
| 22:45.18 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:45.21 | rm_you | good idea :P |
| 22:45.25 | KotCzarny | i know :P |
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| 22:46.18 | AStorm | now where did I misplace that µUSB cable... |
| 22:46.36 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:46.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:47.55 | rm_you | i wonder if it's failing to quote properly |
| 22:47.57 | rm_you | it might be |
| 22:49.25 | AStorm | got it :-) |
| 22:49.28 | rm_you | yep, quoting issues |
| 22:49.33 | rm_you | plays things without spaces |
| 22:50.19 | rm_you | hrm... $1- doesnt seem to work? |
| 22:50.21 | rm_you | or is that wrong |
| 22:50.26 | AStorm | it is wrong |
| 22:50.28 | AStorm | use $@ |
| 22:50.34 | rm_you | i use $@ |
| 22:50.39 | AStorm | then quote it too |
| 22:50.40 | rm_you | just trying to check out alternatives |
| 22:50.45 | AStorm | try "$@" |
| 22:50.55 | rm_you | if I quote $@ it'll put the quotes around every arg >_> |
| 22:51.18 | KotCzarny | that's good |
| 22:51.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.20 | jdiaz | how can I tell which processes are using /mnt/mmc1? |
| 22:51.23 | rm_you | no? |
| 22:51.25 | rm_you | it'll be... |
| 22:51.25 | jdiaz | fuser -m shows nothing |
| 22:51.45 | AStorm | jdiaz: then it's the swapfile |
| 22:51.47 | AStorm | :-) |
| 22:51.48 | rm_you | mplayer "-slave -quite -forceidx /path/to/mp3.mp3" |
| 22:51.49 | fysa | $*? |
| 22:51.51 | beford | lsof ? |
| 22:51.52 | jdiaz | oh |
| 22:51.56 | jdiaz | uh oh |
| 22:51.57 | jdiaz | true |
| 22:52.08 | rm_you | not what i need |
| 22:52.12 | jdiaz | so I can't access that card trough usb... |
| 22:52.26 | rm_you | i think? |
| 22:53.06 | beford | disable swap temporally :P |
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| 22:53.40 | jdiaz | can I disable it even if virtual memory is in use? |
| 22:53.58 | fysa | -quiet? |
| 22:54.11 | beford | swapoff /xx/xx |
| 22:54.47 | fysa | $@ without quotes if you're doing it that way, I would think. |
| 22:54.54 | fysa | args=$@ |
| 22:54.55 | fysa | mplayer $args |
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| 22:55.54 | KotCzarny | wouldn't it suck for files with ; or " " in name? |
| 22:55.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:56.12 | jdiaz | yes, it would |
| 22:56.38 | KotCzarny | ok, mysql is buildin, night people |
| 22:56.44 | fysa | " " should be OK, because the filename should be in quotes or have escaped spaces by the time it gets there. |
| 22:56.59 | fysa | ; is just gross. ;) |
| 22:57.06 | KotCzarny | fysa: but you are assigning it to a variable |
| 22:57.14 | KotCzarny | and then using that variable |
| 22:57.25 | KotCzarny | which sh will break into pieces |
| 22:57.31 | KotCzarny | night |
| 22:57.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:06.45 | rm_you | is there a way to set up an AUTO renice? |
| 23:07.04 | rm_you | like... processes with name "x" always start with priority -5? |
| 23:08.05 | AStorm | impossible w/o a daemon |
| 23:08.18 | AStorm | btw, how do I loop mount a jffs2? |
| 23:09.07 | AStorm | as my initfs is failing for some reason |
| 23:09.13 | rm_you | this is aggrivating. i hate quoting issues |
| 23:16.17 | AStorm | argh, for some reason, my initfs doesn't boot ;P |
| 23:17.06 | flo_lap | Hrm... is there a working blog editor for maemo? |
| 23:18.08 | beford | there is something on the repos for wordpress |
| 23:18.46 | flo_lap | maemo-blog? |
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| 23:20.15 | flo_lap | needs more time |
| 23:20.40 | flo_lap | Porting Drivel should be easy... |
| 23:21.01 | AStorm | ok, right, that init script has had things commented out ;P |
| 23:21.10 | AStorm | anyway, that btrfs doesn't boot for some reason or another |
| 23:22.00 | rm_you | anyone know if it is possible to get UKMP to use mplayer as a backend? |
| 23:22.33 | AStorm | ah, right, invalid module format |
| 23:22.39 | AStorm | have to copy a real module there then |
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| 23:23.11 | rm_you | wtf |
| 23:23.32 | rm_you | i don't understand how REAL mplayer is able to parse the commandlines of these programs... |
| 23:23.46 | rm_you | the paths everything is sending are NOT quoted to begin with <_< |
| 23:24.01 | rm_you | I really need to figure out how to force quoting |
| 23:24.02 | rm_you | AH |
| 23:28.45 | AStorm | hmm, boot failed |
| 23:28.54 | AStorm | why did it, dammit? |
| 23:28.54 | AStorm | ;P |
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| 23:35.02 | rm_you | wow, think i got it |
| 23:35.06 | rm_you | that was way too complicated |
| 23:35.14 | rm_you | i had to manually process each arg and see if it needed quoting |
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| 23:43.41 | AStorm | whee, it's booting from btrfs :-) |
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| 23:45.45 | AStorm | to add, it booted noticeably faster |
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| 23:50.50 | rm_you | great, now mplayer is complaining about something with dbus and just crashing |
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| 23:51.49 | AStorm | ok, my N needs a big charge up for the next phase |
| 23:51.58 | rm_you | this is silly.... |
| 23:52.10 | rm_you | now i have it adding escapes to the spaces in filenames |
| 23:52.14 | rm_you | and it STILL isn't working |
| 23:53.29 | rm_you | wtf |
| 23:53.34 | AStorm | possibly embedded mode uses pid of the process? |
| 23:53.36 | rm_you | so apparently mplayer just FAILS now |
| 23:53.38 | rm_you | this is random |
| 23:53.50 | AStorm | heh |
| 23:54.02 | rm_you | i even ditched my script... |
| 23:54.09 | rm_you | just straight mplayer now crashes trying to do anything |
| 23:54.12 | AStorm | :P |
| 23:54.13 | rm_you | even after a reboot |
| 23:54.25 | AStorm | brb, moving to N810 |
| 23:54.27 | rm_you | that doesnt make sense >_< I didn't do anything to it... |
| 23:55.53 | rm_you | D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": no such file or directory |
| 23:56.13 | rm_you | MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: stop_maemo_screensaver |
| 23:56.26 | rm_you | ideas? |
| 23:56.30 | rm_you | it worked like 15 minutes ago |
| 23:57.15 | rm_you | can someone check and see if your n800/n810 actually has a file in /var/lib/dbus ? |
| 23:57.22 | rm_you | mine definately doesn't |
| 23:59.11 | Blafasel | Neither has mine |
| 23:59.17 | Blafasel | (810) |
| 23:59.18 | rm_you | hrm |
| 23:59.22 | rm_you | maybe that isn't the problem then |
| 23:59.34 | Blafasel | Guess so ;) Sorry |
| 23:59.37 | rm_you | MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: stop_maemo_screensaver |
| 23:59.39 | rm_you | i wonder why |
