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00:09.45Navitakes his delorean to the future and brings back some holographic displays for everyone
00:10.26NaviOf course, I forgot to bring the DVI to SUED converters, so none of you can use it
00:12.54GeneralAntillesAsshole.
00:13.17NaviI'm sorry
00:14.35GeneralAntillesNo you're not.
00:14.45Naviam too
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00:27.22jdiazflash repartitioned
00:27.34jdiazrestoring contents ...
00:29.24jdiaz(boring)
00:30.15jdiazgood opportunity to delete all those .ogg files from ./map
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02:51.11zakmhi . . i have a nokia 770 .. WSOD .. i tried reflashing and taking out battery and nothing helped ( bought off ebay .. WSOD after like two weeks. no warranty )
02:51.27zakmanyone have any ideas of what i could try.. willing to try anything
02:51.36GeneralAntillesController needs to be replaced/reset.
02:51.47zakmdescribe reset?
02:51.54GeneralAntillesreseated, rather.
02:52.04zakmis it solder'd?
02:52.09zakmor just pushed in?
02:52.36zakmso i open it up.. "take out" controller.. put it back in? thats it?
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02:54.12johnxI don't have a 770, but this thread may have some of the info you want: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15599
02:54.38zakmive looked at the wsod thread if thats the one you've linked?
02:54.50johnxthere are many
02:55.02johnxthis one talks about what the controller chip is and where it is
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03:01.35johnxguess that's not really conclusive...
03:01.39johnxanyways, off to work
03:01.42zakmhaha
03:01.44zakmthanks
03:01.44infobotno worries, zakm
03:01.47zakmill look
03:01.56zakmsorry my nephew is here so im currently distracted
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03:04.09zakminfobot: no worries ?
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03:04.32KotCzarnyzakm, talking to bot?
03:08.54zakmlol
03:09.02zakmohh it was triggered
03:09.04zakmim tired :(
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03:15.21KotCzarnyhttp://www.hs.fi/english/article/Finnish+Parliament+debates+proposal+for+love+vacations+/1135234799696
03:15.24KotCzarnylol
03:23.39zakmis my nokia WSOD a lost cause?
03:23.42zakmtrying to fix
03:34.46pupnikzakm my 770 recovered from wosd  .. removed battery and waited
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03:35.22zakmyeah
03:35.23zakmi tried that
03:35.26zakmi waited like 4 hours
03:35.33zakmpupnik: i tried it like 12 hours ago
03:35.45zakmpupnik: how long did you wait?
03:36.04pupnik5 minutes
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03:36.12zakmyeah see
03:36.18zakmi waited like 4 hours
03:36.26zakmi took out battery.. waited 4 hours. put back in
03:36.36zakmits not all white? like theres some small lines
03:36.42zakmvertical lines
03:36.46pupnikyeah
03:36.51pupnika really weird 'color'
03:36.55zakmyeah
03:37.09zakmanything else i could try you think?
03:37.19zakmi removed battery.. 4 hours later i put back in.. turn on.. nothing
03:37.23zakmwell wsod
03:37.27pupnikdon't know.  check itt forums.  is it under warranty?
03:37.31zakmi tried reflashing in the past
03:37.32zakmno warranty
03:37.39zakmi bought on ebay. and they bought it in like '05 -.-
03:37.52zakmi have
03:37.58zakmno help -.-
03:38.22GeneralAntilles2005 and it's just WSODing now?
03:38.23GeneralAntillesYeesh
03:38.26GeneralAntillesThey must never have used it.
03:38.26zakmi dont know what to do .. i only had it for like two weeks. i dont want to throw it in the garbage?
03:38.42pupniksorry bout that
03:38.52zakmGeneralAntilles: i dont know.. one of the files on it was from '05 and it was a nokia made file
03:38.59zakmunless they used a wrong date?
03:39.02KotCzarnygarbage is a bad option, sell for parts
03:39.05zakmhow would i check for warranty?
03:39.12zakmi paid $85 for the 770 :(
03:39.29pupniki must have had good karma for paying $500 for my 770
03:39.30KotCzarnyif you are delicate you can try reseating the connector
03:39.48zakmi got nothing to lose ? :P
03:39.54zakmpupnik: what the ? $500?
03:39.57KotCzarnyzakm: you can break it
03:39.59zakmpupnik: when did you buy
03:40.09zakmKotCzarny: its already technically broken.. and i have no warranty?
03:40.13pupniknov 2006
03:40.30zakm$85 for two weeks of use? -.-
03:40.31GeneralAntillesYou were that late getting in, pupnik?
03:40.31KotCzarnyzakm: i don't know
03:40.32KotCzarny:)
03:40.42zakmim 17 years old. jobless
03:41.00KotCzarny80$ is ~1day of work
03:41.09zakmyeah for you maybe
03:41.14zakmi dont have a job in the first place
03:41.15KotCzarnynope
03:41.23zakmi wouldnt be so omg WSOD if i had a job ;p
03:41.27GeneralAntillesGet one
03:41.29KotCzarnyi bet you can do many works
03:41.32zakmits $85 i shouldn't of spent
03:41.33GeneralAntillesThey're easy to come by in high school. :P
03:41.38zakmive been applying.. but no luck
03:41.43KotCzarnyyou simply have to find someone who would pay for your skills
03:41.44KotCzarny:)
03:41.52zakmlol
03:42.02zakmi can do computers on a software-level ?
03:42.11KotCzarnyzakm: data entry then
03:42.12zakmTechnician'ing
03:42.13KotCzarny:)
03:42.32zakmyeah yeah find me a job
03:42.42GeneralAntillesGotta go pound the pavement.
03:42.44zakmToronto, ON .. might help you in finding me ;p
03:42.54KotCzarnyzakm: you have internet
03:43.16KotCzarnyi remember doing a gig for some kid for a 200$
03:43.27KotCzarnyit was ~3-5h of writing in php
03:43.38KotCzarnyand he was from another state
03:43.44zakmlol
03:43.49KotCzarnyyeah, exams
03:43.50KotCzarny;)
03:43.51zakmwhat kid has $200 for some php script
03:43.53zakmo
03:44.13zakmlol i cant code .. well not very well
03:44.20KotCzarnythen learn?
03:44.34KotCzarnycoding is fun
03:44.35KotCzarny:)
03:45.22zakmi made an oath to stop my crazy pc learning
03:45.55KotCzarnyso what do you plan to do in life?
03:45.56KotCzarny:)
03:46.19GeneralAntillesAn oath to stop learning? <_<
03:46.35zakmlol
03:46.47zakmi used to sit and read those big books
03:46.57KotCzarnyreading is good
03:47.03zakmi have a bad memory so i dont remember much
03:47.16zakmbut i mean like i dont wanna go and learn all the languages and all
03:47.29KotCzarnywell, you have to only learn one
03:47.34KotCzarnythe rest are similiar
03:47.36KotCzarny:)
03:47.59zakmi took something called Turing in last year in school
03:48.12zakmdidnt take grade 11 .. grade 11 is java
03:48.33zakmhttp://fanoush.wz.cz/lcd_closeup.jpg
03:48.40zakmso i pull that out. .and back in?
03:48.41KotCzarnyhttp://newyork.craigslist.org/que/ele/682408683.html
03:48.44KotCzarny770 for parts
03:48.45KotCzarny:>
03:49.07KotCzarnyzakm: worth a try
03:49.10KotCzarnyisn't it?
03:49.11KotCzarny:)
03:49.38zakmi guess
03:49.43zakmbut i mean is that what you were talking about
03:49.46zakmwith controller?
03:49.48zakmreseating
03:49.49KotCzarnyyes
03:50.47zakmwould new battery help? or totally unrelated?
03:51.01KotCzarnyunrelated
03:51.04zakmk
03:51.17zakmtomorrow.. i open it up :D
03:51.23KotCzarnyjust be delicate
03:51.32KotCzarnythose little parts are fragile
03:51.36KotCzarnyvery fragile
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05:56.19lopznigth
05:56.31GeneralAntillesTypo! :P
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06:20.18qwerty12Does anyone know a way to batch extract deb files?
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06:56.55czrqwerty12, you mean like for a in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -x $a; done?
06:57.10qwerty12Thanks, I'll try it out.
06:57.15czr(not tested mind you)
06:58.11qwerty12Hehe, didn't work, thanks though :)
06:59.57qwerty12w00t, fixed it up, thanks :)
07:03.48czrnp :-)
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07:06.10summatusmentiscops apparently don't like it when you're goin 55 in a 40
07:06.27GeneralAntillesNo really?
07:06.29summatusmentisI just got a warning, but still
07:06.37summatusmentisI didn't realize I was going that fast
07:06.45qwerty12""Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo' ""
07:06.46KotCzarnybe happy it's a warning not a accident
07:06.54summatusmentisKotCzarny: no, I agree
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07:07.43summatusmentisnow you all hate me because I'm a reckless college student, and you won't ever help me w/ maemo(if/when I get a device) :(
07:08.01GeneralAntillesNah, we've already got our reckless driver pariah.
07:08.40summatusmentisgood, I hope I don't replace them
07:08.44GeneralAntillesand who said that we aren't all hypocrites, anyway? :P
07:08.51KotCzarnyisn't
07:09.08qwerty12Me is. I'm gonna follow summatusmentis's example when I grow up :p
07:09.14summatusmentislol, noone said that. I assume most OSS people aren't hypocrites though
07:09.23summatusmentisqwerty12: bad idea. The cop was nice tonight
07:09.29GeneralAntillesThat's because your unit system is ridiculous, qwerty12. :P
07:09.39GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, you'd be assuming wrong.
07:09.53qwerty12Hehe, I was joking :)
07:10.17summatusmentisit's apparently DWI awareness night
07:10.22qwerty12You know London got da heat when there are more stabbings then most other places
07:10.23GeneralAntillesHaha
07:10.25summatusmentisso they were pulling everyone over
07:10.45GeneralAntillesYeah, the whole firearm ban worked out really well for you guys. . . .
07:11.13qwerty12Nah, most killings are done with knives
07:11.20GeneralAntillesExactly.
07:11.30summatusmentisI was just gonna ask, how many of them are fatal?
07:12.22qwerty12Most of them are. I've only heard of few people surviving after being knived. what upsets me is that most of the time, it's mistaken identity or for some "fun"
07:12.44GeneralAntillesYeah, firearms are generally less deadly than knives.
07:12.57summatusmentisI find that hard to swallow
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07:13.07summatusmentisconsidering the entire purpose behind a firearm is to kill something
07:13.32GeneralAntillesThe reality of the situation is that a 9mm doesn't do nearly the damage that a 4" blade will.
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07:13.44summatusmentishmm
07:13.46GeneralAntillesPerceptions frequently don't have a lot to do with reality. ;)
07:14.06GeneralAntillesPlus there's the problem of actually hitting something.
07:14.12GeneralAntillesMost criminals are pretty terrible shots.
07:14.49GeneralAntillesThis shit: http://www.fmft.net/archives/gangsta1/gangsta%201.JPG
07:14.51GeneralAntillesDoesn't work.
07:15.12summatusmentishmmm....
07:15.48GeneralAntillesYeah, you don't hit anything shooting like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/308315026_d3618fa5cf.jpg?v=0
07:16.06summatusmentisI'll admit I'm just a stupid reckless college student, and don't really know what I'm talking about.
07:16.29summatusmentisApple has a defense contract now? :-/
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07:19.17GeneralAntillesTactical iPhone!
07:19.40qwerty12Meh, throw the iBrick on someones head.
07:19.47qwerty12Should do the trick
07:19.53GeneralAntillesReminds me of a cellphone commercial. . . .
07:20.24summatusmentisapparently apple bought a semi-conductor company that had a huge DoD contract
07:20.44GeneralAntilleshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7107840583664584754
07:20.45summatusmentisand Apple is honoring it(i guess that makes sense...)
07:21.00czrhey GA & KotCzarny
07:21.09forgeNurr
07:21.15GeneralAntillesHi, czr. :) What's new in the world?
07:21.28czrGeneralAntilles, I wouldn't know! I seldom wonder out in it.
07:21.33czryou? :-)
07:21.34GeneralAntillesHehe
07:21.42KotCzarnyhi czr
07:21.47summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I saw that one, like... actually on tv :)
07:21.59GeneralAntillesJust started pluggin' away at the summer semester.
07:22.23czrGA, busy busy. working. which reminds me to get some milk. my coffee package depends on the milk virtual package :-(
07:22.25summatusmentissummer semester? :-/
07:22.39GeneralAntillesYou gotta take at least one down here
07:22.45KotCzarnyczr: subscribe?
07:22.46KotCzarny:)
07:22.49summatusmentiswhere is 'down here' ?
07:22.53GeneralAntillesand it puts me in a better position credit-wise.
07:22.56GeneralAntillesFlorida State
07:23.09summatusmentisoh really? they require a summer semester? that's annoying
07:23.12czrKotCzarny, I'm afraid they don't have that service here. or the mailman would misunderstand and just pour the coffee in through the door -> not nice..
07:23.13qwerty12likes Flo-Rida and T-Pain
07:23.26KotCzarnyczr: hrm, oursource then?
07:23.29czrbut, there is respite after all. next thu me be a-flyin to .jp
07:23.45czrKotCzarny, you mean like a gf? contracts are PITA :-)
07:23.46summatusmentisqwerty12: I'm sorry :(
07:23.48KotCzarny:)
07:23.56czrand you never know about the quality of outsourcing that you'll get in the end..
07:23.58KotCzarnyczr: everything has it's dark side :)
07:24.03qwerty12summatusmentis, lol, why?
07:24.09czrKotCzarny, indeed.
07:24.24czrbut I'm quite happy. my parser doesn't trip over 10TiB random binary data.
07:24.34GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, yeah, something about having to run the AC all summer to keep the buildings from rotting away and wanting students there. :P
07:24.37czrwhich just means that I haven't really found the right combination yet. but at least it's not trivial :-)
07:24.44summatusmentisqwerty12: I'm sorry you've been kept disconnected from good music, so as to be trained to enjoy that crap
07:24.47GeneralAntillesYou can get out of it fairly easily if you want, though.
07:24.50KotCzarnyczr: random data is limited to 256 possible states :)
07:24.52GeneralAntillesJust works out nicely for me.
07:24.59summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: lol, oh, I guess that makes sense :)
07:25.04czrKotCzarny, yeah, but I'm not using the Debian PRNG ;-)
07:25.15czrwas using urandom at first, but it's dog slow.
07:25.20KotCzarny:)
07:25.29qwerty12summatusmentis, >.<;. This music is just too good not like that other crap
07:25.29czrnow I'm using a 607 exp mersenne twister.
07:25.50summatusmentisqwerty12: I really, desperately, hope you're kidding :-/
07:26.02KotCzarnythere was a nice visualization of misc oses rngs :)
07:26.09qwerty12I'm a 100% serious
07:26.14KotCzarnymade by lcamtuf :)
07:26.25czrKotCzarny, you mean the TCP/ISN-one?
07:26.33KotCzarnyyes
07:26.38czrit was nice indeed.
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07:26.54summatusmentisqwerty12: :-/
07:26.55KotCzarnylinux was bubbles ;)
07:27.04czrbut I'm not after real randomness. just seedable repeatable randomness that is useful in monte carlo. if carlo likes it, IT MUST BE TRUE.
07:27.22summatusmentisqwerty12: live and let live, I guess... try listening to some Bob Marley...
07:27.37KotCzarnywow, there is an update
07:27.39KotCzarny:)
07:27.58czrKotCzarny, what is the probability of encountering a certain 32-bit pattern (byte-granular) in random input?
07:28.08czrit's not 1/2^32 mind you.
07:28.12qwerty12summatusmentis, >.< >.> <.<
07:28.19KotCzarnyhrm
07:28.32KotCzarnyi guess that depends on randomnes of bytes
07:28.40czrassume they're perfectly random
07:28.43KotCzarnyb1*b2*b3*b4 ?
07:28.45GeneralAntillesBob Marley is the shit
07:28.46summatusmentisqwerty12: no, but seriously. I didn't mean to offend. I just really can't stand most mainstream music, let alone rap
07:28.48GeneralAntillesas is Bob Dylan
07:28.54GeneralAntillesThere are a number of good Bobs. :P
07:28.58czrKotCzarny, but that's 1/(2^32)
07:29.04czrKotCzarny, I'm seeing it more often than that
07:29.07qwerty12summatusmentis, Not offended :)
07:29.09summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: for real
07:29.16qwerty12Just not to my taste
07:29.29KotCzarnyczr: in a perfect algo it's just that, i guess
07:29.30summatusmentiswell, change your taste then!
07:29.34GeneralAntillesYOU DON'T LIKE BOB MARLEY?!?!
07:29.52KotCzarnyi don't like regge
07:29.53qwerty12YEP I DONT LIKE IT
07:29.58KotCzarnyat least not very often
07:29.59KotCzarny:)
07:30.00czrKotCzarny, neh, I'm thinking that it's less. since the surrounding byte might "pre-match" stuff as well. or maybe something in my code is broken :-)
07:30.23czrI like BOB. I have his corpse right next to me here. we caress in the night.
07:30.30czrhe sings and I .. well.. just enjoy myself.
07:30.50summatusmentisczr: you've sullied Bob Marley?
07:30.50KotCzarnyczr: ah, so you're asking about probability of a subsstring in a 4byte random string?
07:30.51KotCzarny:)
07:30.54czr(seriously though haven't got a single track from B. Marley)
07:30.57GeneralAntillesqwerty12, something is seriously wrong with you. <_<
07:30.59czrKotCzarny, smt like that
07:31.06czrKotCzarny, but probably not that :-)
07:31.09qwerty12B.O.B is good
07:31.22czrKotCzarny, assume that you have 1 GiB of random sequential bytes
07:31.30KotCzarnyczr: defining the problem accurately is most often the answer :)
07:31.32qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Thank you :)
07:31.41GeneralAntillesNot in a good way either. :P
07:31.48summatusmentisqwerty12: Boys On B<explitive>z? or some other bad rap group?
07:31.50czrKotCzarny, how many times will a certain 32-bit sequence be present in the data.
07:32.07summatusmentis(I made that name up, I have no idea)
07:32.16czrN'Sync 4ever!
07:32.19czrhides & runs
07:32.22qwerty12lol, one person
07:32.28qwerty12N'SYNC? :O
07:32.32qwerty12OMGWTF
07:32.36KotCzarnyfrom 1 to 1gig/2 (with 0101010..) ?
07:32.36czrhey, telecom..
07:32.37KotCzarny:)
07:32.39czrsync is important.
07:32.51summatusmentisqwerty12: you and czr are on about the same level in music taste, fwiw
07:33.04czrsummatusmentis, at least we have some..
07:33.05czrerr.
07:33.05summatusmentis(assuming he was serious about N'Sync, which I doubt)
07:33.16summatusmentisczr: :D
07:33.18czrI don't do boybands.
07:33.36KotCzarnylol
07:33.40qwerty12eew, boybands. They should pull the trigger on themselves
07:33.43qwerty12czr, double meaning?
07:33.44summatusmentisI would say something crude, but I don't know what the rules are here
07:33.45qwerty12:p
07:33.52KotCzarny*bands are for teens
07:33.54KotCzarnyand pre teens
07:33.54czrqwerty12, well, I don't listen to them nor do them :-)
07:33.55summatusmentiswell, nvm, qwerty12 went there anyway
07:34.01qwerty12lol
07:34.36summatusmentisKotCzarny: any band? or just bands that fall under a *band category?
07:35.04KotCzarnyok .+band
07:35.08KotCzarny:)
07:35.30czrband-gaps
07:36.00czruh oh. hit a recognized PDU in the random stream..
07:36.02czrcurses
07:36.07Gracklewrist bands
07:37.39czrweird. I'm getting bytes that should be dropped..
07:37.46czrcurses some more
07:39.03qwerty12tries building truecrypt 5.1a...
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07:39.21czrah, found the snag.
07:39.28GeneralAntillesthrows a monkey wrench in qwerty12's make.
07:39.32czrhmm. now I have to restart the 10TiB payload testing.. argh.
07:39.43qwerty12Damn, it must have hit :p
07:40.00GeneralAntillesThat's for having bad taste in music! :P
07:40.00qwerty12I hate having to apply patches by hand...
07:40.10qwerty12Muahahahahaha
07:40.11czryou mean like coding?
07:40.52qwerty12I mean opening up the patch and copying and pasting the patch into the right file because it wont apply with patch -p1
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07:41.36czrI know what you mean :-)
07:41.49qwerty12:)
07:41.52GeneralAntillesIt's a spy!
07:41.58qwerty12It's all GeneralAntilles's fault!
07:42.04czrI'm just too lazy to fix my code at the moment so I'm pulling your leg (or arm, can't tell which)
07:42.05GeneralAntillesI plead the 5th!
07:42.26summatusmentisI'm going to bed. Night all
07:42.30qwerty12night
07:42.39czrnight? tis morning here..
07:42.40qwerty12Wait until I find this monkey wrench and send it to florida with a popup thing....
07:42.44czrwell, not even morning anymore
07:42.47qwerty12czr, same here hehe
07:42.58qwerty12I count 8:42AM morning :p
07:43.07czr1043 here.
07:43.26czrIn the happy country of the Borg.
07:43.31qwerty12Ah, I see. /me checks czr's country
07:45.54GeneralAntilleshas permanent monkey-wrench protection.
07:48.14qwerty12It expired a while ago, renew your subscription.
07:48.31czrexplains the number of monkeys on GA's yard
07:48.40GeneralAntillesI have no yard!
07:48.43GeneralAntillesJoke's on you.
07:48.46GeneralAntillesruns in circles.
07:48.50RST38hswitched to this window and read "I expired a while ago"
07:48.52qwerty12REALLY hates it when my fan in my computer whirs up when compiling
07:48.53czrruns in triangles
07:48.54RST38hUmgh
07:49.04qwerty12runs in squars
07:49.06KotCzarnyyawns
07:49.07czrqwerty12, pull it out!
07:49.18czrdamn I need some coffee.
07:49.30qwerty12czr, We actually did that to a school computer once...
07:49.39czrqwerty12, how did it end?
07:50.10qwerty12Lots of parts were taken and it was running all night. I felt sorry for the technician who took it....
07:50.22czrheh
07:50.34czrI rarely meet people who do that on purpose ;-)
07:50.56qwerty12Come to London
07:51.56czrmaybe someday. never visited london properly.
07:52.08czrI'll take some cpu fans with me
07:52.39RST38hethanol is known to have pretty low evaporation point
07:52.43qwerty12lol. I'd like to get out of London for a while, never been anywhere else except W.Yorkshire, North of UK.
07:53.10czrI'm going to .jp next thu. la-la-la-la.
07:53.36czrI wonder how many schoolgirls I can take back with me as hand-luggage
07:53.44qwerty12My cousin is in Japan :D. I hear they have some super advanced weed
07:54.00czrheh.
07:54.26qwerty12This cracks me up about Japan's tech: http://wikitravel.org/en/Image:WirelessToiletControlPanel.jpg
07:54.37qwerty12What says more than that.
07:54.49tank-manare those breasts or balls?
07:54.56qwerty12Forget a lever, these guys are pimpin up their toilets too
07:55.52czringinious
07:55.57czringenious even
07:56.08czrbleh. I  don't do english.
07:56.20GeneralAntillesEvidently not. :P
07:56.47qwerty12Nah den
07:56.51qwerty12:P
07:58.20RST38hso maybe you better take THAT...for liquid cooli
07:58.45RST38h[shit, computer crashed between those two lines =)]
07:59.47KotCzarnydidn't have computer crash in a long time
08:00.26RST38hqwerty12: when you have got paper walls and a customary 5cm hole under each of your doors, and no heating except for a kerosene heater in one room, advancing toilets is all you have left to do
08:00.45qwerty12hehe
08:00.49qwerty12KotCzarny, the lies!
08:01.08RST38hKot: It is a hardware problem. Apparently, either HD cable is flaky or there is some dust shorting things out
08:01.10AStormI had an N810 crash... does that count?
08:01.17czrheh RST38h
08:01.21patohAStorm: what did you do to it?
08:01.29qwerty12My N800 is always crashing
08:01.31AStormlaunched camera proggy
08:01.41AStormit has 50% chance of crashing N810
08:01.45patohhaha
08:01.59RST38hnever crashed my N810, but then I keep it in relatively virgin state
08:02.29AStormhere, the WM tended to crash when I had powerwhatever installed
08:02.37AStormnow it doesn't anymore
08:02.47GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I think we can lay the blame for that squarely on you. :P ;)
08:03.34AStorm;D
08:03.35qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Hehe. ATM, my N800 has no hacks but application manager sends N800 into full cpu and mem.
08:03.43RST38hAll right this thing better not crash until iNES-Symbian distribution script finishes
08:03.53qwerty12iNES-Symbian? BOO
08:04.04qwerty12Actually, I have 2 symbian phones :/
08:04.11RST38hSee? =)
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08:11.53acehighnessanyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?
08:11.57qwerty12finally has Truecrypt 5.1 binary :). ARM emulation really sucks though : "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'TrueCrypt::TestFailed'
08:11.57qwerty12<PROTECTED>
08:11.57qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 268
08:11.57qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 238
08:11.57qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 268
08:11.59qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 238
08:12.01qwerty12make[1]: *** [truecrypt] Error 127
08:12.03qwerty12make: *** [all] Error 2
08:12.05qwerty12"
08:12.08KotCzarnyupgrade your quemu
08:12.09qwerty12Sorry.
08:12.12KotCzarnyto cvs version
08:12.26KotCzarnyyou can select it when configuring target
08:12.32qwerty12Ah, ok , thanks
08:12.39KotCzarnyor you can reconfigure target withour reinstalling everything
08:13.00KotCzarnyit's already installed, you have simply to select it
08:13.01KotCzarny:)
08:13.31Stskeepsqwerty12: or use rsbh or something - make it run on the n8x0, that solves most emulation problems for me
08:13.43KotCzarnyyeah, that's another option
08:13.57Stskeepseven if it increases compilation time ;)
08:13.57KotCzarnyinstalling dev toolchain on device :)
08:14.11Stskeepsdidn't even do that, it just NFS mounted my scratchbox binaries
08:14.22KotCzarnywell
08:14.24KotCzarnyi use sshfs
08:14.28qwerty12I'll look into upgrading qemu :)
08:14.31KotCzarnybut idea remains the same
08:15.00acehighnessanyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?.. i dont understand where i must find dosbox.conf on the filesystem
08:16.08qwerty12Will the qemu-arm-eabi version be alright?
08:16.37solmumahaacehighness: using pupnik's dosbox?
08:16.47KotCzarnyqwerty, do you install something or it's already installed?
08:17.06qwerty12KotCzarny, Don't understand question :/
08:22.09KotCzarnysb-conf st -t qemu-arm-cvs
08:22.11KotCzarnyor something
08:22.52KotCzarnyyou can list them with: sb-conf ls -t *
08:23.59qwerty12Ahh, I see. qemu-arm-cvs doesn't exist, I'll compile that.
08:24.03qwerty12Thanks.
08:24.03infobotqwerty12: my pleasure
08:24.11KotCzarnydon't compile..
08:24.16KotCzarnyit should be available
08:24.17qwerty12infobot, not you, tosser
08:24.36KotCzarnyor you can get one from: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/
08:24.37KotCzarny:>
08:24.53qwerty12Muahahaha, thanks
08:25.11KotCzarnyhrm
08:25.25KotCzarnythough i don't see qemu in that dir anymore
08:25.38KotCzarnyhttp://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/testing/
08:25.42KotCzarnymaybe this one
08:25.52KotCzarnyanyway
08:25.59KotCzarnyi should be sleeping already
08:26.57patohdoes the N810 come with a chat client
08:27.00patoh?*
08:27.44GeneralAntillesYes
08:27.58GeneralAntillesJabber/Google Talk as bundled
08:28.08GeneralAntillesMore with 3rd party stuff and the beta release.
08:28.33qwerty12finds it a shame rtcomm beta was never bundled with diablo
08:28.34RST38hSurgical Robot Removes Calgary Woman's Brain
08:28.45GeneralAntillesqwerty12, we're not there yet. :P
08:28.46GeneralAntilleshttp://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
08:28.49RST38hTumor
08:28.51KotCzarnyrst: is it good or bad?
08:28.55KotCzarnyahm
08:28.56KotCzarny;)
08:28.58RST38hKot: heheh
08:29.20KotCzarnyany idea what causes 'LOC:      82430   Local timer interrupts' ?
08:29.28RST38his using Pidgin anyway. RTComm just didn't feel right
08:30.20GeneralAntillesPidgin is so bad on the tablets.
08:30.30qwerty12Agreed.
08:30.35RST38hWorks fine for me
08:30.39GeneralAntillesIt's just not set up for that environment.
08:30.39AStormisn't bad
08:30.40RST38hHas got a few problems
08:30.45GeneralAntillesrtcomm works great for me.
08:30.47AStormminor problems, yes
08:30.51GeneralAntillesand I don't have to think about it.
08:30.52AStormrtcomm has crummy ui
08:30.52qwerty12Although I do like guifications
08:30.54RST38hMostly connection stuff
08:30.57GeneralAntillesPidgin just takes up space.
08:30.57AStormno real contacts list
08:31.21GeneralAntillesI wish they'd fix Speed Contacts already.
08:31.28GeneralAntillesI can't believe they fucked it up so bad in the first place.
08:31.39RST38hRTComm not configurable enough, has non-functional contact list
08:31.47qwerty12I can't believe the source is closed to such a shit applet anyway :/
08:31.59RST38hGA: It can't be fucked up this much by negligence
08:31.59GeneralAntillesHehe
08:32.09GeneralAntillesContacts list is fine.
08:32.13GeneralAntillesIt's called "Contacts" :P
08:32.14RST38hThis level of fucking-up requires extensive thought work
08:32.35qwerty12Although I don't really use Pidgin much, here's why I like it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1638&stc=1&d=1210421602 :p
08:32.43RST38hSo, my guess is, unless the change the person responsible for it, it will only become worse
08:33.05RST38hYou mean the little black things? I don't have them installed, alas
08:33.15qwerty12Yeah :)
08:33.27qwerty12It's good for keeping track without switching to pidgin
08:35.31AStormGeneralAntilles: no, it's too hard to get to (the contact list)
08:35.40AStormand is a separate proggie which starts in 5s
08:35.48GeneralAntillesLeave it open, then. :P
08:35.52GeneralAntillesLike you leave Pidgin open. . . .
08:36.01GeneralAntillesIf they'd just fix Speed Contacts the issue would be moot, anyway.
08:36.38GeneralAntillesVote for my bug! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2288
08:36.57RST38hGA: + make it possible to select font size
08:37.04RST38h+ do the same for @#^%$ rss applet
08:37.11acehighnesssolmumaha: i was checking to see which one i have installed, i'm actually not sure anymore. are there different versions available ?
08:37.20GeneralAntilles1 request per bug. :P
08:37.28RST38h+ make rss applet show news without starting up web browser
08:37.30acehighnessi can find the executable in usr/bin
08:37.36acehighnessbut no config file
08:37.50solmumahaacehighness: don't think so :)
08:38.23solmumaha<PROTECTED>
08:38.29solmumaha?
08:38.36acehighnessi want to put drive mapping to my mmc card in the config file, as I cant seem to type the / character using the n810 keyboard in dosbox
08:38.46acehighnessahh... thanks !
08:38.52qwerty12RST38h, If you don't mind me asking, why will load-applet boost speed?
08:39.30solmumahaacehighness: tried rubybox?
08:39.56acehighnessno i havent ... is the ruby platform big to install ?
08:40.07acehighnessi remember installing it on my n800 and it was huge
08:40.14acehighnessmaybe im spacing
08:40.18acehighnesshehe
08:40.49acehighnessi guess it would save me a lot of hassle if it has a gui yeah
08:41.35solmumahaacehighness: under 10 mb i guess
08:41.54acehighnesshmm no /dosbox under /usr/share
08:42.07solmumahabut it makes using dosbox way easier
08:42.34AStormsolmumaha: config command, use it
08:42.39AStorminside the dosbox
08:42.50acehighnessjust 'config' ?
08:43.25acehighnessah yes
08:43.28RST38hqwerty: My speculation is, once emulator loads the cpu to 100% and makes applet update, its update mechanism somehow keeps the system from lowering cpu frequency
08:43.34acehighnesscool thanks AStorm
08:43.40solmumahaacehighness: use the version from pupnik.de for os2008
08:43.46RST38hqwerty: it may sound improbable but I have run out of other explanations
08:44.04qwerty12RST38h, ahh :). Could be right, I dunno anything :)
08:44.06acehighnessok im gonna remove and reinstall from there
08:44.20AStormI think dosbox will be too slow...
08:44.25AStormno dynamic CPU emulation yet
08:44.35AStormwrite one for ARM
08:44.36acehighnessits ok i wanna run slow stuff hehe
08:44.45qwerty12can I use arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 instead of cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm for CHINOOK_ARMEL target fine?
08:44.47solmumaharubybox comes with a game downloader and online settings database
08:45.01acehighnessa game downloader ? wow
08:45.08KotCzarnyqwerty: create a new target for experiments
08:45.19AStormqwerty12: sure, you could
08:45.22KotCzarnythat way you can simply remove it later and use your old one
08:45.43qwerty12Will do both :). I'll try it out on a new target 1st.
08:45.47acehighnessmy application manager is messed up ... i cant read the names of the applications because the first column is only 3 chars wide
08:46.09acehighnessi guess it was the lcars theme crap i tried
08:46.11AStormacehighness: normal, it;s not messed up
08:46.22AStormit's that some version number is too long
08:46.37acehighnessah
08:46.51acehighnessanyway to change the way it displays ?
08:47.13AStormimpossible with the release version
08:47.18AStormSVN version has it fixed
08:47.33acehighnesshmm ok
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08:50.12GeneralAntillesIt's fixed in Diablo, acehighness.
08:50.54rm_youGeneralAntilles: should I install Diablo? >_>
08:51.11qwerty12I like Diablo except for MicroB
08:51.23qwerty12<PROTECTED>
08:51.25acehighnessinstalled version from pupnik.de now
08:52.16acehighnessand i'll install rubybox while im at it
08:53.53GeneralAntillesqwerty12, we haven't hit release yet.
08:54.00GeneralAntillesWe're probably still at least a month away. :P
08:54.05GeneralAntillesrm_you, meh.
08:54.17GeneralAntillesI really, REALLY like the finger keyboard improvements.
08:54.27GeneralAntillesBut MicroB is in a weak state in the current release
08:54.32Veggenqwerty: ugh. And I hate microB for being a memory pig already before Diablo...
08:54.42GeneralAntillesPersonally, I can't stop myself from installing stuff like this. ;)
08:54.50GeneralAntillesVeggen, it can only get better.
08:55.00VeggenGA: I hope so :)
08:55.04GeneralAntillesThey didn't have time to merge trunk for Diablo
08:55.07solmumahaacehighness: remember to register to get the most out of it
08:55.11GeneralAntillesIt's on track for Diablo+1
08:55.41GeneralAntillesand looking at the improvements from Firefox 3 alpha 1 to now it's going to be a doozie.
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09:01.51acehighnessi obviously had the wrong dosbox installed
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09:02.01gourdinhi there
09:02.03acehighnessthis one indeed automounts 'dos' folders on the mmc card
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09:03.31acehighnessok this roxx
09:03.39gourdincan we enlarge fonts only in the browser ?
09:03.54gourdinzooming the images is toobslow
09:03.56VeggenGA: Ah, but of course someone could compile trunk themselves?
09:04.11GeneralAntillesNavi compiled the svn from a few weeks ago.
09:04.51GeneralAntillesWhich is already looking quite a bit better than Chinook MicroB (scrolling is at better-than-Opera levels)
09:07.47gourdinis this a place to ask maemo browser questions ? :)
09:08.28GeneralAntillesThis is anything and everything maemo.
09:08.33GeneralAntillesand a lot of things that aren't, too. ;)
09:08.42gourdin:)
09:09.29gourdinwhen can we hope a ff3 version of microb ?
09:09.42GeneralAntillesWe have one now.
09:09.52gourdin??
09:09.55KotCzarnygourdin: ever checked ua string?
09:10.02gourdinfennec ?
09:10.02AStormit's old FF3
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09:10.04AStormbuggy one
09:10.08GeneralAntillesAlpha 1
09:10.11GeneralAntillesBut FF3 all the same.
09:10.17GeneralAntillesIt'll be merged with trunk by Diablo+1
09:10.18AStormwe need one based on recent RC
09:10.25AStorm...
09:10.26gourdinKotCzarny: ua strings ?
09:10.32AStormwhich means after Fx3 release?
09:10.32KotCzarnyuser agent
09:11.02gourdinKotCzarny: yup
09:11.13patohhow mature is Diablo?
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09:11.30patohsorry, stable :P
09:11.35gourdinGeneralAntilles: diablo ?
09:11.37GeneralAntillesIt's still a month or two from releaes.
09:11.45GeneralAntilless/releaes/release/
09:11.54KotCzarnyhmm
09:12.03KotCzarnywasn't it meant for Q2 2008 ?
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09:12.08AStorm;>
09:12.33forgeI would imagine them releasing it along with the wimax edition of hw
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09:12.50GeneralAntillesJuly 9th is the supposed date for N810W
09:12.56GeneralAntillesSo it'll be around then or sooner.
09:13.00forgeYEah
09:13.10GeneralAntillesFor small values of two months. ;)
09:14.01KotCzarnyhttp://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3095
09:14.13KotCzarnywii controller fun..
09:14.13KotCzarny:)
09:14.22gourdindiablo is the next os name ?
09:14.24KotCzarnylooks shopped though
09:14.32GeneralAntillesNext OS2008 version, name.
09:14.34forgeNo kidding it's shopped ?
09:14.37GeneralAntillesmaemo 4.1
09:14.44KotCzarnybut idea is nice ;)
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09:19.17gourdinwhy can t we just enlarge fonts in tghe browser, it should be less cpu consuming, some sites are unwatchable because lots of jpegs
09:19.40GeneralAntillesDo so
09:19.41AStormgourdin: there is an option for that, probably
09:19.48GeneralAntillesThere are plenty of tutorials covering it.
09:19.50AStormand you can use your own style sheet
09:20.03BlafaselHmm.. I like the idea of using WiMax more and more, to be honest.
09:20.06KotCzarnyand you can use regular about:config tricks
09:20.40AStormI like it too, but there will be none here for a long time
09:20.57qwerty123G phone works for me
09:21.05KotCzarnydsl works for me
09:21.51patohthere there a maemo themes website?
09:21.59BlafaselAStorm: Yeah, not sure about this location. I know that there are some providers here
09:22.22BlafaselAnd regarding the UMTS phone: Thanks a lot to the guy in here that brought the E51 to my attention ;) I love it so far.
09:22.52AStormE51 is too large for me
09:23.05qwerty12I'm waiting for N96. I'll be able to replace my P1 and N80. And probably W810 :/
09:23.08AStormany other nice small HSDPA phone?
09:23.14qwerty12But I love the Bass on my W810
09:23.16gourdinKotCzarny: i m just saying adding an option in the menu woudnt hurt annyone :)
09:23.18AStormN96 is too large too
09:23.40qwerty12I carry N800 & N80. Size is no problem for me.
09:23.46BlafaselAStorm: I went for it because it doesn't have a camera and is quite/very thin
09:23.49AStormcarry where?
09:23.56AStormnot that thin
09:24.06AStormand camera may be useful
09:24.11qwerty12to school :/
09:24.22AStormbut where? in a pocket?
09:24.29qwerty12Yeah
09:24.38gourdinAStorm: i don t find the option ;)
09:24.41AStormI hope not in the pants?
09:24.41BlafaselHmm.. Everything's relative, I guess. I didn't want a camera for sure and never had a slimmer phone. Motorola's series might be slimmer, but I don't know good 3g phones there.
09:24.50qwerty12Moto's suck
09:24.58glassn95 fits my pants pockets nicely, 770 not so nicely
09:25.02AStormwell, yep, they do
09:25.07AStormN810 is a bit large already
09:25.38AStormmy ID cards take too much space already
09:25.46acehighnessn810 is ok in my pocket
09:25.58AStormit is ok
09:26.02acehighnessbetter then the n800 was
09:26.04AStormbut it takes a whole pocket
09:26.19KotCzarnyastorm: carry a backpack?
09:26.19acehighnessyeah you need a dedicated pocket hehe
09:26.20AStormit could've been slimmer, looking at the design
09:26.25BlafaselHmm.. Wearing baggy style trousers I have no problems with space ;)
09:26.28AStormKotCzarny: yeah, sure, as if I want to
09:26.46gourdinGeneralAntilles: you say there are plenty of tuts ? can you point me on one of it ? i m googling and am out of luck...
09:26.52KotCzarnycarries a backpack all the time
09:27.19AStormKotCzarny: thus, you fail the hip test? ;P
09:27.32KotCzarnyi'm me
09:27.39KotCzarnyi don't need no stinkin' tests :P
09:27.53AStormyou don't need them, but other people test you all the time
09:27.56AStormthus, you fail ;D
09:28.01KotCzarnynope
09:28.03KotCzarny:)
09:28.12AStormoh, sure
09:28.19KotCzarnysidestepping is better word
09:29.48GeneralAntillesgourdin, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18333
09:29.49KotCzarnyhah, hpet=force
09:30.50gourdinGeneralAntilles: thx !
09:30.51AStormuhm, N810 doesn't have a HPET?
09:30.59KotCzarnydon't know
09:31.03AStormit doesn't
09:31.05KotCzarnybut my laptop does
09:31.12AStormyes, laptop should have one
09:31.24KotCzarnynot necessarily
09:31.25KotCzarny:)
09:31.27AStormsome have these uninited
09:31.41AStormbecause BIOS is written by Chinese contractors
09:31.45KotCzarnyyes, ich[34] needs force enabling
09:32.25qwerty12I'm surprised the BIOS hasn't been cloned yet.
09:32.40AStormqwerty12: LinuxBIOS?
09:32.46AStormyou know, it's hard work
09:32.50qwerty12Nah, a Chinese clone
09:33.10AStormthey're bound by NDA
09:33.20AStormand each mainboard is slightly different
09:36.33KotCzarnyhttp://www.revver.com/video/719432/etch-a-sketch-clock/
09:36.34KotCzarny:>
09:36.42AStormblah blalh
09:37.01AStormok, I'll have to hack maemopad+ to not gobble RAM
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09:37.12qwerty12Yum. RAM.
09:37.17AStorm;P
09:37.56LoCusFanyone remember the free upload site url where one could upload IT stuff?
09:38.10LoCusFafaik it was is ITT somewhere
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09:40.51acehighnesswhat is the name of the actual browser in maemo ?
09:40.58qwerty12MicroB
09:40.58LoCusFbrowser
09:41.10qwerty12oh, command line
09:41.24acehighnessnah i just meant what browser is it
09:41.25AStormKotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools for me?
09:41.30LoCusFoh ok
09:41.37AStorms/tools /tools package/
09:41.42KotCzarnyastorm: i thought someone else compiled it for you
09:41.44KotCzarny:)
09:41.46AStorminfobot: you suck
09:41.47infobotand very well I might add
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09:42.02qwerty12infobot, you suck ****
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09:42.14qwerty12"and very well I might add"
09:42.18AStormKotCzarny: which hanged
09:42.19qwerty12hehehe, quick cheap laugh
09:42.46KotCzarnyheh
09:43.01KotCzarnydidn't traced further conversation then
09:43.02KotCzarny:)
09:43.04gourdini can t empty microb cache
09:43.15AStormgourdin: it's memory cache
09:43.21gourdinwhere are the files so i can
09:43.22AStormjust restart it
09:43.34AStormthere's no disk cache
09:43.50gourdinabout:config takes forever, it ok ?
09:43.51BlafaselOr don't watch porn on it in the first place
09:43.55qwerty12lol
09:44.18gourdinBlafasel: i m trying i m trying :)
09:44.37KotCzarnyenabling swap could help too
09:44.38KotCzarny:)
09:44.50qwerty12To stop watching porn?
09:45.27KotCzarnyqwerty: i think the only sure way is castration
09:45.28KotCzarny;)
09:45.35qwerty12lmao
09:45.38AStormKotCzarny: so build me one
09:45.39qwerty12painful
09:45.43AStormmight be a tar.gz
09:45.54KotCzarnyqwerty: there are painless methods, you know
09:46.03KotCzarnybricks are so XIX century
09:46.03qwerty12I wouldn't ;)
09:46.03KotCzarny;)
09:46.04AStormbbl
09:46.33gourdinabout:config freeze microb !
09:47.00GeneralAntillesSomething's wrong, then, gourdin.
09:48.07gourdinall of this only to enlarge penHHHfonts...
09:48.32gourdinGeneralAntilles: i agree :)
09:48.52KotCzarnywell, magnifying glass could do that in realtime
09:48.58KotCzarnyhigh fps, low cpu usage
09:50.48gourdinhey, wtf, i blanked the start page, microb starts on home.html
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09:52.11LoCusFI disabled the scrollbar via gconf in osso-xterm, how can I get it back again :) ?
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09:52.44qwerty12If you use osso-xterm svn, it has option. or you can set option again.
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09:53.09LoCusFdon't have that
09:53.28qwerty12While you are there, mind dumping me /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels and /apps/osso/xterm/keys ? :D
09:53.34qwerty12I'll take a look for scrollbar option
09:53.44LoCusFumm wait a moment
09:54.01LoCusFI can't dump the entire thing since I don't have the scrollbar :)
09:54.12qwerty12setting /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar should do it
09:54.13qwerty12:)
09:55.32gourdintyping browser about:blank in term lauch microb on home;hmlt (startpage is blaanked in config) why ?
09:55.48LoCusFqwerty12: thanks, got it
09:56.07qwerty12Cool :)
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09:56.29gourdindoes nokia really sell this to me ? ;)
09:57.16GeneralAntillesIt's irritating and stupid
09:57.22GeneralAntillesMore UI spec nonsense, gourdin.
09:57.22LoCusFqwerty12: my key_labels and keys are nondefault?
09:57.29JaffaReally fscking irritating and stupid.
09:57.54qwerty12LoCusF, No problems, I just need at least the defaults :). I messed mine up installing .13 in diablo.
09:58.07LoCusFqwerty12: oh ok
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09:58.14gourdinok, i cant goto about:config
09:58.52acehighnesshttp://www.portability.nl/internet-tablet-family/guides/how-to-set-the-default-font-size-in-your-browser.html
09:58.53LoCusFqwerty12: [<alt>a,<alt>2,Tab,Page_Up,Page_Down,Home,End] = keys
09:58.56gourdinis there another way to edit microb confib ?
09:59.00acehighnessbut i think it says the same thing
09:59.12qwerty12LoCusF, Many thanks
09:59.20LoCusFnp :)
09:59.27gourdinwhats irritating ?
10:00.14rm_youthe current lack of johnx is depressing
10:00.28GeneralAntillesUI spec, gourdin.
10:00.49gourdin'k
10:00.58rm_youalso, that my server/buildbox is in a fedex truck currently
10:01.07GeneralAntillesPoor rm_you.
10:01.09GeneralAntillesAlways suffering.
10:01.11rm_you>_>
10:01.15rm_youi am
10:01.27rm_youALWAYS >_<
10:01.41rm_yousuffers loudly in a corner
10:01.42KotCzarnyIf not time-travel, other exciting thing produced by LHC may be:
10:01.43KotCzarnyThe end of the world as we know it
10:01.45KotCzarnyhehe
10:01.49KotCzarnydon't worry
10:01.52KotCzarnytake your time
10:01.53KotCzarny:)
10:02.12GeneralAntillesHa
10:02.27GeneralAntillesidly throws pieces of garbage at rm_you.
10:02.43rm_youbah
10:03.03rm_youi actually dont WANT to go home for summer break really <_<
10:03.08rm_youit's such a hassle
10:03.18KotCzarnyrm_you: then go on a vacations in .fi
10:03.19KotCzarny:)
10:03.25rm_youlol
10:03.31rm_youi wanted to try to hit up linuxtag
10:03.38rm_youbut i couldnt quite get the money together
10:03.52rm_youplus i realized i would then not have anything left for the rest of summer :P
10:04.39rm_youso, anyone used hostgator.com for hosting?
10:04.48rm_youi'm trying it out... so far it seems ridiculous
10:04.52KotCzarnyuses his laptop for hosting
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10:05.19qwerty12can tell
10:05.53qwerty12http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39418766,00.htm
10:05.55qwerty12Sounds fun
10:06.11rm_you$9.95 a month for 600GB of space and 6000GB of bandwidth
10:06.31rm_youdoes that seem entirely ridiculous to anyone else?
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10:06.44KotCzarnywell
10:06.52rm_youlike... it's not even in the same order of magnitude as any other hosting i've seen for that price
10:06.52KotCzarnyit doesn't say anything about server speed
10:06.53KotCzarny;)
10:07.00rm_youit seems fast
10:07.23KotCzarnythen try looking for small print
10:07.40rm_youwas hoping someone else would have experience/thoughts about it
10:07.46rm_youdidn't see any >_>
10:07.56KotCzarny:)
10:08.36rm_youwell whatev
10:08.39KotCzarnyok
10:08.43KotCzarnybed time, night people
10:08.46acehighnessall cheap hosting are ripoiffs
10:08.50qwerty12night
10:08.50rm_youi got my first month free with some promotion code, so if i dont like it, nothing lost
10:08.51acehighnessripoffs even
10:08.56rm_younight
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10:14.51lardmanoooo, exciting, output data :)
10:16.22qwerty12So, has anyone tried upstart on N800? I've built a binary, lets see if it works...
10:16.36rm_youlardman: ??
10:16.40rm_youon what?
10:16.47rm_youI hope DSP-SBC :P
10:16.51lardmanyep
10:16.59rm_youdances
10:17.06lardmanneed to compile the encoder on x86 and compare the output
10:17.16rm_youi wish i could buy you dinner :P
10:17.20lardmanstill producing a bus error at the end, so not quite ready
10:17.31qwerty12WOAH. This will be great :)
10:18.21lardmanjust because it's output something, doesn't mean to say it#s the right something of course!
10:18.37rm_yousee, i greatly overestimated the difficulty rating of this project...
10:18.42lardmanattempts to control expectations
10:18.51rm_youit never occurred to me to just convert the x86 SBC encoder :P
10:19.04rm_youi was always thinking about writing it from scratch, lol
10:19.12rm_youwhich would require a LOT of research :P
10:19.24lardmanyeah, definitely go from existing code
10:21.30qwerty12Ok, wish me luck. I'm gonna install upstart :/
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10:24.43LoCusFhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=182911#post182911
10:24.51qwerty12Just saw, nice job :)
10:25.00LoCusFthanks :)
10:25.00infobotpas de quoi, LoCusF
10:25.09LoCusFwtf
10:25.24qwerty12For me : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182899&postcount=57 & http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20168 :D
10:26.51qwerty12WOAH
10:27.18qwerty12My N800 boots a shit load faster with upstart#
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10:28.24Stskeepson debian or maemo?
10:28.43qwerty12Doesn't like being shut down though.
10:28.45qwerty12maemo
10:29.57qwerty12I need to set up fb_update_mode again and see the problem
10:33.25lardmanhmm, sbcenc segfaults when compiled on x86
10:33.26qwerty12I'll try initng now.
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10:34.53lardmanah, much better, I'd #defined VERSION as an fp number (to get around my lack of a Makefile)
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10:35.56lardmanreports that the outputs don't match
10:36.03GeneralAntillesqwerty12, remember that locking bug where after a while you couldn't unlock the device because it didn't see the center dpad click?
10:36.15qwerty12Yes :)
10:36.23GeneralAntillesHave you noticed it in Diablo yet?
10:36.34qwerty12No, all my unlocks have been successful.
10:36.37GeneralAntillesGood
10:36.41GeneralAntillesI just did 30 of them in a row
10:36.43GeneralAntillesNo troubles.
10:36.51qwerty12hehe
10:37.41GeneralAntillesOh, good, the bugs have already been resolved.
10:39.17GeneralAntillesis trudging through the UNCONFIRMED bugs . . .
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10:41.10lardmanspots a small hinderance, 73byte chunks are written in sbc format every time
10:41.32lardmanNeed to make sure odd numbers of bytes can be written correctly
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10:46.35user__wow hi
10:47.09user__anyone here
10:47.27GeneralAntillesOnly the zombies.
10:47.33GeneralAntilles|o|
10:49.06woodong50yesterday i knew how to watch no incoding
10:49.48GeneralAntillesqwerty12, did you happen to restore a Chinook backup into Diablo?
10:50.27qwerty12GeneralAntilles, No. Clean start
10:50.37GeneralAntillesI'm wondering if a backup will un-disable Extras now.
10:50.42GeneralAntilles*restoring a
10:50.47woodong50diablo game?
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10:51.02GeneralAntillesNo, Diablo being Chinook+1
10:51.11woodong50ok
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10:52.52woodong50does n8x0 support mms://?
10:53.39woodong50streaming address mms://
10:53.54lardmanmplayer does iirc
10:54.09woodong50iirc?
10:54.12lardmanthis is for video/audio streaming?
10:54.19woodong50ok
10:54.33lardman~iirc
10:54.34infobotrumour has it, iirc is "if I recall correctly"
10:55.01woodong50iirc appl?
10:56.10lardmanactually, is mms for windows media player?
10:56.57woodong50probably
10:57.54lardmanI'll just go back to sleep
10:58.04lardmananyone else want to answer who knows?
10:58.08woodong50bye
10:58.44woodong50what is your time
10:59.14lardmanit was a figure of speech, it's 12 noon here
11:01.51qwerty12loves beryl with java 8-)
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11:15.12GeneralAntillesAlright, there's 12 bugs actioned.
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12:39.39disqgah. by the time i notice the diablo thread the diablo updates dir is restricted again
12:40.05qwerty12_N800There are ways 2 get password
12:40.16qwerty12_N800I was 1st one to do it :p
12:42.04GAN800qwerty the braggart.. . . . ;p
12:42.06disqi better start reading the irclogs for clues then
12:42.25qwerty12_N800GAN800, Naturally :p
12:42.36qwerty12_N800disq, read the thread ;)
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12:44.09disqoh ok
12:45.15RST38hDoes OS2008 save coredumps somewhere?
12:45.24GAN800On the card
12:45.27RST38h(and if it does, is it possible to do a postmortem on one?
12:45.33qwerty12_N800RST38h, Make folder on card
12:45.47GAN800disq, apt source.
12:45.49qwerty12_N800mkdir  /media/mmc1/core-dumps
12:46.38qwerty12_N800Or install NITRO. Coredumps are enabled at initfs time.
12:47.35Jaffadisq: ditto, I've decided not to bother with the hackery
12:47.56GAN800Jaffa iz boring
12:48.07Jaffaslaps GAN800
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12:48.33qwerty12_N800El Diablo blows Jaffa away
12:48.41GAN800Hehe
12:50.31Jaffadoesn't want to lose his navicore changes before he goes on holiday
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12:57.37GeneralAntillesThis bug catches me off guard and cracks me up everytime I see it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368
12:58.00qwerty12_N800lmao
12:58.09practisevoodoo<PROTECTED>
12:58.16qwerty12_N800I'm voting :p
12:58.51GeneralAntillesMy favorite bug ever.
12:59.04GeneralAntillespractisevoodoo, tablet-to-tablet with Google Talk
12:59.19RST38hHoho, SlideRule runs! Almost fully!
12:59.38RST38hControls work, graphics draw, derivatives get computed!
12:59.38practisevoodooonly tablet to tablet?
12:59.47qwerty12_N800SlideRule?
12:59.53GeneralAntillesUse Gizmo or aMSN for tablet-pc
13:00.03practisevoodoothats just stupid
13:00.11GeneralAntillesmeh
13:01.07disqqwerty12_N800: ooh. found the diff
13:01.16qwerty12_N800Nice :)
13:01.19felipecwhy not telepathy-haze?
13:01.25felipecfor msn
13:02.09RST38hqwerty: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/
13:02.30qwerty12_N800Nice! :)
13:02.35GeneralAntillesfelipec, do it do video?
13:02.43GeneralAntilless/do/does/
13:03.12felipecGeneralAntilles: not yet
13:03.33GeneralAntillesThen there's your answer. :P
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13:06.26felipecGeneralAntilles: so you prefer something ugly, slow and destined to die (aMSN)?
13:06.36GeneralAntillesNo
13:06.39GeneralAntillesIt supports video
13:06.40disqpfft. first i have to revert the xserver and stuff
13:06.48GeneralAntillesHe wanted something to do tablet-pc video.
13:06.53GeneralAntillesSo I gave him his options.
13:07.08GeneralAntillesIf telepathy-haze support MSN video I would of answered with that.
13:07.31felipecGeneralAntilles: ahh, does it really works? amsn on tablet-pc?
13:07.43GeneralAntillesSo far as I've been informed.
13:07.49GeneralAntillesI haven't tested it myself.
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13:10.50x1alphaHello is it possible to have a "normal" gnome desktop on maemo ?
13:11.10JaffaPossible? Yes. Done? NAFAIK. KDE3's been done, though.
13:12.43x1alphaThanks jaffa :) yep i managed to find howto's for kde on google but not gnome.
13:12.43infobotx1alpha: pas de quoi
13:12.46GeneralAntillesXFCE, IceWM and others, too.
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13:19.21qwerty12_N800wants black theme for os2008 that isn't fugly as lcars :/
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13:21.29patohqwerty12_N800: tried writing one?
13:21.42patohbasing it off a fugly black theme
13:21.42LoCusFhmm I found something out, if you are in a shell in /media/mmc1, ie. one's cwd is that directory, then the unmounting of mmc1 isn't correctly done and when you re-insert the card it complains about corruptidness. So just cd out of the directory in shell and re-insert the card to get it working again
13:21.45patohand improving it
13:21.47qwerty12_N800Have no art skills
13:22.05patohqwerty12_N800: its only colours ;)
13:22.24patohmost image parts can be borrowed from other themes
13:22.34patohas long as they are GPL and you thank the author :)
13:22.43GeneralAntillesFind a stick and start prodding konttori with it. :P
13:23.09patohthat also works ;)
13:23.29qwerty12_N800steals GeneralAntilles's stick and prods konttori with it
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13:36.21lopzmorning
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13:44.35RST38hqwerty: A Dr. Who theme! The official British answer to LCARS theme!
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13:45.08patohLCARS?
13:45.19GAN800google it
13:45.26GAN800lcars maemo
13:47.41pupnikthat's fitting, as the tablets are 'bigger inside than out'
13:48.51patohhaha
13:50.34RST38hpupnik: weird, but I am also getting this feeling every now and then
13:50.51RST38hit does not occur with PC-based UMPS though.
13:52.41RST38hhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/18/asus-and-msi-have-some-splaining-to-do/  <--- hehehehehe
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13:52.51johnxyeah, saw that just now
13:52.54crashanddiehehe, a Dr. Who theme...
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13:53.50johnxRST38h, stuff like that happens all the time, but it's hilarious when 2 companies copy the same pic
13:54.20RST38hto market identical products too
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14:00.59qwerty12_N800Got a quick q, is it alright  if I delete ~/.mozilla folder?
14:01.15johnxprobably
14:01.20crashanddieqwerty12_N800, you'll lose all your settings
14:01.26crashanddieqwerty12_N800, but yeah, shouldn't be too bad
14:01.26johnxIf I were you I would just mv .mozilla .mozilla.bak
14:01.35qwerty12_N800I know :), thanks
14:02.35RST38hit will get recreated
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14:11.52_freelikegnuRST38h: Dr Who theme? hmm I do think I want to fasten a toiled plunger to my NIT ;-)
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14:36.02JaffaThe Daily Mail is hilarious: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=566481&in_page_id=1879
14:36.17qwerty12_N800Emo's are stupid anyway
14:36.25johnxthis is why I'm against ties
14:36.47Jaffaqwerty12_N800: most ppl are stupid, Daily Mail readers doubly so.
14:37.04RST38hEvil Emo Cult!
14:37.23johnxPeople are ignoring the root cause here: ties!
14:37.35qwerty12_N800Jaffa, hehe. I just read the bbc news.
14:37.37johnxI call for an immediate ban
14:37.51RST38hremembers a quote from bash.org "Me and my brother went mugging emos last night -- So, how did it go? -- Well, I lost a tooth and he got a rib broken"
14:38.19patohRST38h: well they all want to die, so they love a good fight ;)
14:38.54RST38hWhy hasn't anybody noticed a link between emos and bin Laden/
14:39.02patohbecause his not a folder...
14:39.05johnxnah, that emus
14:39.09johnxcan't trust those things...
14:39.11RST38hBoth emos and muslim terorrists want to die!
14:39.22patohhaha
14:39.33JaffaQuick, send anyone who wears black to Gitmo.
14:39.43patohI can't think of an non racist comparson
14:39.44Jaffachecks: phew, mostly blue today
14:40.03johnxJaffa, yeah that would be a lot of people wearing suits
14:40.14JaffaOh no! Tomorrow I turn emo
14:40.24Jaffa...and there is a tie involved. Suspicious.
14:40.26patohemo's have _thin_ ties
14:40.33johnxJaffa, no, don't do it!
14:40.38patohnot normal _pimp'n_ ties
14:40.40johnxat least tell me you don't have bunk beds
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14:41.18Jaffajohnx: but I feel so unloved what with only a single wife and child, and a good job, and a nice house. I wanna go the black parade that is... the London Underground.
14:41.29aquatix``Emos like guitar-based rock with emotional lyrics. ''
14:41.40Jaffajohnx: we've practically got bunk desks at work, TBH :-(
14:41.43patohthat is an awesome quote
14:41.56johnxJaffa, is it like a sleepover all the time? Do you talk about girls?
14:42.08aquatixthat kind of describes half the population, music-taste wise
14:42.13Jaffajohnx: Mostly not, no.
14:42.25johnxah, nevermind then.
14:42.30johnxI was almost jealous for a bit
14:42.48JaffaI wouldn't be. My colleagues are all emos (it'd appear)
14:43.01johnxjust came back from being emo...but hung up his tie *after* he took it off
14:43.08Jaffaheh
14:43.25patohjohnx: that could have been a close one ;)
14:43.49aquatixis tied to his desk chair, does that count?
14:43.49johnxluckily I keep this handy cheat-sheet by my closet
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14:44.04johnx1. Take off tie, 2. Hang up tie
14:44.10Jaffagoes to mow the lawn. I'll feel very upset about all the blades of grass being crushed under the blades.
14:44.24aquatixwtf, Blink 182 is popular with emo's?
14:44.36aquatixJaffa: have fun crushing
14:44.48aquatixgotta love the smell of their decaying bodies
14:44.48JaffaI'll wipe them out. All of them.
14:46.06aquatixwish them goodbye from me
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14:46.18JaffaWatering's later.
14:46.30johnxwith your tears?
14:46.42AStormwith his blood
14:46.48AStormin hospital
14:46.51qwerty12_N800Don't drown.
14:46.52johnxO_o vampire grass?
14:47.19RST38hJaffa: you should turn that lawn mower onto yourself pronto!
14:47.20lardmanis having troubles with SELECT()
14:47.42erstazilardman: we all have troubles with SELECT'ing the right one
14:47.56lardman~lart semaphores
14:47.56infobotrm -rf's semaphores
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14:52.13lardmanhmm, might have solved it :)
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15:03.15milhousehmm... seems to be a problem with the tablets-dev.nokia.com firmware download page :( (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/)
15:03.36qwerty12http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ is down too
15:03.47aquatixslashdotted? ;)
15:03.56Jonoooh diablo out now?
15:04.01milhousenah, just rubbish infra
15:04.02aquatixsome leak iirc
15:04.09aquatixmilhouse: heh, k
15:04.14Jonthe apt repo one?
15:04.35qwerty12X-Fade_, any info? :)
15:05.29milhouseany long holidays in finland coming up? that could be when diablo is released... hope not! :)
15:05.44GeneralAntillesHa
15:05.56GeneralAntillesDrop it and haul ass.
15:06.15milhousePretty much... :)
15:07.23johnx"By the time they find out, we'll be in Hawaii!"
15:07.28qwerty12nautillus sucks some massive knob, stupid pos.
15:07.43johnxis it being crashy?
15:07.49qwerty12Extremely
15:08.07johnxYeah, I went to xfce and I'm really enjoying it
15:08.27qwerty12Thanks, I should install xubuntu-desktop sometime.
15:08.31summatusmentisis $380 for an N810 too good of a price to pass? I can get $100 for going to this conference
15:08.33qwerty12I'll use konqueror for now.
15:12.24patohqwerty12: nautilus works perfect for me :)
15:12.35patohI don't think I have ever had it crash
15:12.40patohfirefox just crashed on me but :(
15:12.42qwerty12Not for me. keeps crashing on me :/
15:12.47qwerty12firefox for me too :/
15:13.11summatusmentisfirefox crashes? I've overloaded it with tabs, but never had it just quit
15:13.19qwerty12Are you using beta 3?
15:13.26summatusmentisme? no
15:13.33patohits flash player that causes it
15:13.36qwerty12There's your answer. :/
15:13.44patohits not really firefox's fault, but its still crashing :P
15:13.51qwerty12I've had it crap out on me without flash player. FF 2.0 worked fine.
15:13.56summatusmentismm... well, don't complain about crashes if you're using beta software :-P
15:14.01aquatixslaps flash player
15:14.09qwerty12It wasn't my choice :p. Stupid ubuntu.
15:14.24qwerty12is trying my hybrid of upstart and sysvinit
15:14.25johnxRC1 is out now and soon final
15:14.27patohI am using rc1 with firefox
15:14.33patohdidn't crash on the betas for me
15:14.47johnx3beta5 is somewhat crashy for me
15:14.54johnxbut not enough to go back to ff2
15:15.13patohfirefox-3 is to awesome
15:16.07qwerty12Except for the address bar, nothing stands out to me.
15:16.57qwerty12Bollox, time to reflash.
15:17.09patohthe speed and memory use
15:18.38summatusmentisalright, leaving now
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15:25.02qwerty12Hmm, any ideas why my Usbnet SSH connection is refused? :/
15:25.13johnxssh not running?
15:25.21qwerty12It's running via bootmenu
15:25.26johnxssh -vvv and see where it dies
15:25.33qwerty12I can't, I can't boot in
15:25.39qwerty12unless you mean on computer?
15:25.40johnxhmm?
15:25.46johnxon the client
15:25.57qwerty12Ah, sorry, brb, trying it out.
15:27.57NaviEmos
15:28.10patohwait, the emos broke his ssh server?
15:28.30patohdarn that evil cult!
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15:30.28johnxthe "we need a virus scanner" cult is a strange one indeed...
15:30.59johnxSometimes the Signal/Noise ratio on ITT really drops...
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15:31.28qwerty12Sorry, internet messed up when messing around. Checking log :/
15:32.06qwerty12This is long log :p
15:32.07qwerty12faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv 192.168.10.1
15:32.07qwerty12OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
15:32.07qwerty12debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
15:32.07qwerty12debug1: Applying options for *
15:32.07qwerty12debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
15:32.09qwerty12debug1: Connecting to 192.168.10.1 [192.168.10.1] port 22.
15:32.11qwerty12debug1: connect to address 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused
15:32.13qwerty12ssh: connect to host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused
15:32.14johnxpastebin!
15:32.17qwerty12faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv 192.168.10.1:23
15:32.19qwerty12OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
15:32.21qwerty12debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
15:32.21patohno
15:32.23qwerty12debug1: Applying options for *
15:32.25qwerty12debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
15:32.27patohpastebin!
15:32.27qwerty12faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ping 192.168.10.1
15:32.29qwerty12PING 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
15:32.29patohplease
15:32.31qwerty12From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable
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15:33.11patohqwerty12: it looks like the ssh server isn't running
15:33.34qwerty12I'm sure its running as I have same problem in maemo too. And the ping is failing.
15:34.07johnxthis is dropbear in bootmenu?
15:34.14qwerty12Yes
15:34.49patohcan you ssh to localhost on your device?
15:35.08johnxand you're ssh'ing from a linux machine?
15:35.13qwerty12yes
15:35.20johnxhave you been messing around with firewalls?
15:35.31qwerty12patoh, the N800 is dead atm. emergency bootmenu.
15:35.34qwerty12no afaik
15:36.00johnxalright, put the result of ifconfig and route -n up on *pastebin* and I'll take a look
15:36.08qwerty12hehe, will do. thanks.
15:36.26johnxeither the ssh server isn't running or you're not sshing to the right address I think
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15:37.38qwerty111messing with usb0 messes up wlan0, trying commands now.
15:38.25qwerty111brb, I'm gonna have to disconnect wlan0
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15:38.54toresbehrm
15:39.03toresbeHow can one install the SSHD on OS2008?
15:39.06toresbeI can't find out how.
15:39.12kulvewith application manager
15:39.17kulvethe normal way
15:39.31toresbehrm
15:39.33johnxor click to install openssh on downloadsa.maemo.org
15:39.42toresbethank you
15:39.42infobottoresbe: de rien
15:39.50johnxs/downloadsa/downloads
15:40.42kulves,downloads.maemo.org,maemo.org/downloads,
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15:41.11qwerty12http://pastebin.com/d562654a6
15:41.42johnxyou were trying to ssh into your own desktop
15:41.54johnxtry 192.168.10.2
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15:42.35qwerty12Thanks, will do. I'll need to ifdown wlan0 though. (Btw, N800 reports ip of 192.168.0.1)
15:42.43qwerty12*192.168.10.1
15:43.10johnxwell, that's the IP of your usb0 interface on the desktop as well
15:43.28johnxthey could be the same, but if that's the case you'll need to fix it
15:43.46johnxyup
15:43.57toresbeHrm. Application Manager is failing to update the list
15:44.00johnxyou need to change your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop prolly
15:44.04toresbeand I can't do it manually because I can't become root
15:44.22johnxhave you added lots of repositories so far?
15:44.46toresbeno
15:44.58toresbeit first shows me "Downloading 1kB"
15:45.18toresbeand then it freezes at "Downloading 2kB" with the progress bar at 100%
15:45.25johnxrepository.maemo.org is taking a long time to connect right now
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15:45.39johnxah and then it gave me an error
15:45.46johnxjust try again later I guess
15:45.48toresbed'oh.
15:46.10qwerty12No luck. USB cable is connected, usb0 is up and modules are inserted - http://pastebin.com/d617dcbcd
15:46.51johnxah, qwerty12 I guess you were gone when I said that
15:47.02johnxyou need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop
15:47.11johnxchange the IP to something else besides 192.168.10.1
15:47.22johnx.2 or .3 or .254 or whatever
15:47.25qwerty12Ok, thanks, I'll try that.
15:47.42qwerty12Time to ifdown wlan0 again :(
15:47.45disqqwerty12: finally flashed, with lots of no space left interruptions. finally i moved all the files in apt archive (downloaded diablo) to mmc and symlinked back
15:47.54qwerty12Cool :)
15:48.01disqqwerty12: does connectivity applet in controlpanel or connectivity settings work for you? with the initfs?
15:48.07qwerty12yes
15:48.12qwerty12But I'm using diablo initfs
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15:51.52qwerty12still don't work. I can't be arsed with this POS, gonna reflash.
15:52.17johnxyour choice
15:52.30johnxyou'll learn more about networking if you see the problem through though
15:52.57qwerty12ATM, I want my N800 to work. I'm not so interested in networking.
15:54.36lardmanthey youth of today! no patience ;)
15:55.00lardmanthey can probably type better than me though...:D
15:55.03patohheh
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15:55.29qwerty12lardman, you haven't been noting my typing have you? :P. I type quite bad actually.
15:55.45lardmanno, just my typo just then
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16:06.46RST38hback
16:07.14RST38hX-Fade: Here?
16:07.38qwerty12RST38h, got a new calculator to upload? ^-^
16:07.53RST38hqwerty: Not yet, although I can probably give you the binary
16:07.58RST38hIf you feel like trying it
16:08.07qwerty12No worries, I can wait yet :)
16:08.11qwerty12Thank you though.
16:08.11infobotqwerty12: my pleasure
16:08.17qwerty12infobot, piss off
16:08.17infobotACTION off goes behind Beans & Brews and waters a tree
16:08.26johnx~lart infobot
16:08.26infobotforces johnx to use Outlook Express
16:08.42disqstill having problems booting the new kernel, even with the initfs
16:08.53qwerty12N810 or N800?
16:08.57disqn810
16:09.07qwerty12People with N810 cant use it.
16:09.22qwerty123 people I know with N810 have had problems with that kernel.
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16:09.26disqi should reflash the randr kernel then
16:09.37qwerty12Yeah, it's what I'm using on N800
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16:09.48qwerty12I have a feeling that IPv6 was enabled in diablo kernel.
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16:11.39qwerty12copies diablo original repo to mmc2
16:12.41qwerty12I'm gonna make myself a rootfs after this is done
16:14.34RST38hwonders if screen rotation is enabled in the upcoming Diablo
16:15.25johnxtakes bets...gives you 10:1 against
16:18.00qwerty12If that was a bet, you would have lost RST38h ;)
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16:31.24timelyanyone here know krisse?
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16:45.36disqqwerty12: any ideas why the connectivity cp applet won't work? does it work on n800 with new initfs and kernel?
16:46.09qwerty12disq, it works on rotation kernel and diablo initfs
16:46.24disqqwerty12: on n800, right?
16:46.31qwerty12yes
16:47.23timelydisq / Jaffa?
16:47.31disqi could upgrade my n800 too but it's comfy in the drawer, not using it anymore
16:48.12johnxbesides IPv6 what's the big advantage of the diablo kernel/initfs?
16:48.12disqtimely: no idea who that is
16:48.35timelyjohnx: do you ever want to run old kernels?
16:48.46johnxonly when they work
16:48.51johnxand the new one doesn't
16:48.55timelyit doesn't?
16:49.03timelydid you file a bug @ bugs.maemo.org w/ details?
16:49.13timelyi'll try to blocker it tomorrow if you provide enough info
16:49.17johnxwell it's apparently not working well for disq is all I mean
16:49.24disqyeah.
16:49.25timelyhas already tried to scuttle the release once
16:49.25johnxsorry, didn't mean to scare you
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16:49.30timelyoh, i don't mind
16:49.32timelyit's a fun exercise
16:49.42timelytomorrow i'll get to see how good i am at it :)
16:49.43johnxI'm just lazy and I use rotate
16:49.51disqtimely: i don't want to report bugs for unreleased builds :) they probably know about it already
16:50.59timelydon't assume that
16:51.03timelyplease please please don't assume that
16:51.24timelyassume we're just as ignorant as i make us sound :)
16:51.41qwerty12I'd report diablo bugs if I could figure out bugzilla interface. But I guess I am n00b.
16:51.55timelyqwerty12: i'll walk you through it if no one else does
16:52.30qwerty12Thanks :). But before I annoy anyone, I'll check bugzilla tuts on the internet first :)
16:52.30infobotqwerty12: no worries
16:52.36qwerty12infobot, fuck off
16:52.47qwerty12I swear that it is in annoying mode today.
16:52.55disqtimely: ok then, i'll get the kernel version that's not working..
16:53.39johnxtimely, also, I worry that any bugs I run into are more likely to be caused by the update process that I used than from legitimate problems
16:53.58johnxI don't want to contribute to the worsening of the signal/noise ratio
16:54.22timelyjohnx: as long as you clearly document how you got there
16:55.04johnxalright, I'll dig through for a bit and see then
16:55.11disqtimely: is diablo 4.1 or "next"?
16:55.33timelyerr, do we have both in some product?
16:55.48timelydiablo is 4.1 which in most places should be "next"
16:56.13disqtimely: bugzilla both has "next" and "4.1"
16:57.00timelywhich product(s)?
16:57.07disqtimely: in advanced search, but not in new report
16:57.40timelyuse next, but hurry
16:57.46timelyif you dally you'll find 4.1 appears :)
16:58.18disqi could just tag it as 4.1 (that's the target milestone thigy in reporting a new bug)
16:58.28timelyyeah
16:58.40timelyoh
16:58.48johnxactually, I'll ask here first: Does anyone else have a problem with d-pad center sending a "return" before opening the finger keyboard on the N800 in text fields in microb?
16:58.50timelyyeah, um, if you wait a few secs, i'll give 4.1 as a version
16:59.02disqok
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17:03.05timelyok, try now?
17:03.10Jaffatimely: I'm aware of krisse, but not spoken to her(?) directly.
17:03.23timelygot a mailto: ?
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17:04.23disqtimely: thanks
17:11.25disqtimely: #3174. :)
17:13.37Jaffatimely: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5958 or maybe something on http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/
17:14.16qwerty12or http://nokiaduck.blogspot.com/ :/
17:14.41johnxso I assume that most diablo bugs are on an internal bug tracker somewhere?
17:15.24timelylooking for a way to pass a note instead of commenting publicly
17:15.38johnxI don't care about commenting publicly
17:16.08timelythat was to Jaffa
17:16.16johnxah
17:18.34johnxanyways, at this point is it worth it to report bugs against Diablo's version of microb, given that they're fairly obvious? (the one I mentioned above for example.)
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17:20.54timelysorry, i'm friend, someone pastebin a summary of the problem and give me a  url to that
17:20.56timelyfired
17:20.58timelyfried
17:21.01timely^^
17:21.15johnxme?
17:21.22timelyplease
17:21.37johnxsure, one sec
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17:25.20johnxd-pad center in text fileld in microb send enter instead of bringing up finger keyboard: http://pastebin.com/m1eae5370
17:26.44johnxalso, there is some issue with the focus of text fields in microb, but writing steps to reproduce that reliably might take me a bit
17:27.07timelythat's first pastebin's filed
17:27.21johnxok, good
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17:27.52timelysome future version will reinvent ime handling again
17:27.59timelysomeday i hope the problem will shut down
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17:29.46hendryhow do I added a menu item in maemo? can't find a tutorial
17:31.19johnxhendry, Have you seen this page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html
17:31.20johnx?
17:31.34johnxspecifically the "Integration to Menu" section?
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17:33.28hendryjohnx: didn't find that!
17:33.35hendryjohnx: thanks ever so much
17:33.39johnxsure :)
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17:35.28timelyhendry: out of curiosity, what did you search for (google queries)?
17:35.40timelybelieves in trying to fix wikis until things work
17:35.43dookdookhas anyone seen adn770?
17:35.48hendrytimely: i search in the wiki
17:36.04timelyok, wiki query urls then?
17:36.47hendryhttp://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+menu+item&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a http://search.maemo.org/search?q=menu+items&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd
17:36.51hendrymenu items
17:36.58hendryand some variation on that
17:37.04hendrymaemo should nuke old docs imo
17:37.58timelyjohnx: can you make that query work better? :)
17:39.01johnxheh
17:39.46johnxinterestingly giving google "menu item maemo" gets the tutorial higher than "maemo menu item"
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18:05.23Jaffatimely: join ITT and send a PM?
18:05.45timelyno :)
18:06.27Jaffatimely: I can pass on a message that route, if you want (even if it's a "email ..."
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18:09.51timelysounds good. hold on, i'm fighting ssh/ssh-agent/hg
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18:15.05lopzbrb
18:19.23eichiwhat are the best free nvigation tools for maemo? maemo mapper and navit?
18:20.04JaffaThere's a new one, RouteMap just been ported, IIRC
18:20.50eichiIIRC?
18:21.01JaffaIf I Remember/Recall Correctly.
18:22.10glassjust short way of saying that one isn't 100% sure
18:22.29JaffaIn this case, because I've not looked at it in any way, shape or form.
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18:22.43eichiah okay ;D i thougt about IRC
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18:48.05kulvehttp://www.arm.com/products/esd/openmax_v6libraries.html
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18:48.25kulve"ARM is developing highly optimized OpenMAX DL libraries which are being hand coded in ARM assembly."
18:48.41kulveI wonder if there's some hints about optimizing some functions
18:48.48kulvenot sure if there's even sources though..
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18:53.56kulve;// Description:
18:53.57kulve;// Compute an inverse FFT for a complex signal
18:54.05kulveseems to have
18:54.26kulve;// (c) Copyright 2007-2008 ARM Limited. All Rights Reserved.
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19:12.53timelyJaffa: #jaffa
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19:41.32Blasturor kismet
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19:42.18qwerty12_N800both are
19:43.40Blasturbtw, is it possible to reset the n810 into factory default settings?
19:44.32qwerty12_N800There is option on control panel
19:44.42qwerty12_N800tap menu
19:46.47qwerty12_N800Hehe, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7403351.stm
19:50.24Blasturcan't seem to find a factory reset in the control panel
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19:51.50qwerty12_N800Tap the menu icon in top left corner,, tools, reset factory default settings
19:51.53RST38hqwerty: It is not the first time I see this in the news
19:51.56RST38hNot even the second time
19:52.05RST38hDo they play catch&release with him?
19:53.04qwerty12_N800hehe, see it for 3rd time :p
19:54.24lopzre
19:55.04qwerty12_N800hi
19:55.04infobotmoin moin, qwerty12_n800
19:55.21Blasturanyone know when Diablo will release?
19:55.34qwerty12_N800which fool gave infobot an upgrade?
19:55.56JaffaBlastur: I've reason to believe it will be some day in the not too distant future which contains a 'y' in its name.
19:56.13qwerty12_N800heheh
19:56.22Blasturreally? :) that soon?
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19:56.48Blasturi read about it on wikipedia, do you know if MSN is included among one of the new "instant messenger" providers?
19:57.02qwerty12_N800nope it isn't
19:57.12JaffaThe rtcomm beta supported MSN, didn't it?
19:57.20qwerty12_N800you can install rtcomm tho in diablo
19:57.27Blasturwhats rtcomm?
19:57.39Blasturwhat additional providers will diablo support?
19:57.55qwerty12_N800none. lt's all in rtcomm.
19:59.21Blasturrtcomm is an app bundled with diablo?
20:00.03qwerty12_N800it's bundled with chinook too. the beta adds more providers.
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20:42.34practisevoodoohow do you add a new repository?
20:51.36timelyfrom application manager :)
20:51.59KotCzarnyor clicking on .install file somewhere on the web
20:52.05KotCzarnyyawn
20:52.08KotCzarnymorning
20:56.50x1alphais anyone at the moment chatting from his tablet ?
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21:12.29practisevoodoowhat on earth is up this the matrix red pill blue pill stuff?
21:12.49timelygoogle.
21:13.13practisevoodooyeah i got how to do it
21:13.19practisevoodooi dont understand why
21:14.07Proteousyou take the blue pill, you wake up and belive whatever you want to belive, you take the red pill and you see how far the rabbit hole goes
21:14.10KotCzarnyby default only packages marked as user/foo category are installable
21:14.14Proteousor something like that
21:14.19KotCzarnyfrom app-man of course
21:14.29KotCzarnyapt-get has no such problems
21:27.01x1alphaqwerty12_N800 : doesnt a 4" display hurt your eyes ?!
21:29.44unixSnobjust discovered that the browser downloader is lousy
21:30.38unixSnobSo I'm trying to download a 600MB file, and halfway through the file is simply gone from the downloads window
21:30.49forge:)
21:31.02timelyunixSnob: where are you trying to download this file?
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21:31.23unixSnobit says (no files downloading) w/ no excuse as to what happened to the file I was downloading
21:31.36unixSnobI have it set to save to my external sd card
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21:31.50unixSnob(on an n800)
21:31.59unixSnobIt happened twice
21:32.13timelyyou could install strace and watch the browser download the file :)
21:32.20unixSnobthe second time i paused the download, and left it on pause
21:32.28unixSnobthen the file simply disappeared
21:32.45unixSnobI don't have the patience for that
21:32.54unixSnobI start the download, and look away
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21:33.19KotCzarnyshouldn't be a problem with a local server
21:33.21KotCzarnyto test
21:33.22KotCzarny:)
21:34.57unixSnobwhat does strace do for me?  i'm not sure what good a test will do.. I've already confirmed that the download tool is a piece of shit
21:35.13KotCzarnystop cursing
21:35.14KotCzarny:)
21:35.49unixSnobThe question is whether I can install a download manager plugin for this browser
21:35.49unixSnobOr if I need to try another browser
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21:37.02Saviqhi all, anyone using mobile mythtv with mythtv 0.21?
21:37.04qwerty12_N800Dta or flashgot with curl/wget in microb would be good...
21:37.45unixSnobmicrob?  never heard of it.. is that an alternate browser?
21:38.04unixSnobflashgot is a firefox plugin, isn't it?
21:38.18dennyMicroB is the defaulkt browser on the tablet
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21:38.29KotCzarnyand it's based on firefox3
21:38.30KotCzarny;)
21:38.39timelyno
21:38.44Saviqfirefox3?
21:38.44timelyit's based on ff3alpha1
21:38.48timelywhich is not like firefox3
21:38.53KotCzarnyok
21:38.58timelyit's like ff3 minus 1 year
21:38.58KotCzarnybut based on firefox
21:38.59dennyis there any ETA on the new microb yet?
21:38.59KotCzarny:)
21:39.07timelydenny: two years
21:39.21dennymm-hmm.
21:39.26timelymaybe 23months if you wait a month :)
21:39.44KotCzarnytimely: is that official ? ;)
21:39.48timelyno :)
21:39.51KotCzarnygood :)
21:39.55KotCzarny(or bad ;)
21:40.05timelybut it's true that waiting one month decreases your 24 month wait to 23 months :)
21:40.24KotCzarnywell, that depends on relativity..
21:40.25KotCzarny;)
21:41.33timelyi can say that with relativ[e certa]i[n]ty
21:41.47KotCzarnytimely: what's the chance of general extensions for firefox working in microb?
21:42.04timelyw/o porting?
21:42.09KotCzarnyyes
21:42.09timelyif they don't have a ui? not bad
21:42.22timelyif they have a ui? w/o porting? very very close to nil
21:42.25qwerty12_N800>.<
21:42.27KotCzarnyhmm
21:42.37timelyuse fennec or firefox
21:42.59timely99% of all extensions use xul, and microb doesn't offer xul
21:43.22KotCzarnyand won't in the future too?
21:44.49unixSnobso are these microb plugins something I get from garage.maemo.org?
21:45.09unixSnobI didn't see any extensions menu choice in microb
21:45.12timelyKotCzarny: i can't speak for the future
21:45.19KotCzarnytimely: good
21:45.20KotCzarny:)
21:45.22timelyhttp://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/
21:45.30KotCzarnyat least there is no definitive 'no'
21:45.30KotCzarny:)
21:45.53timelypersonally i had hoped to already include xul support
21:45.57timelyshrugs
21:46.01timelyi have no control over direction
21:46.06qwerty12_N800i also <3 the  mplayer plug-in too :)
21:46.16timely?
21:46.39qwerty12_N800I'm just pointing out another plug-in :)
21:46.49qwerty12_N800separate from your convo
21:47.24KotCzarnytimely: is there a way to add mime-type handlers?
21:47.46KotCzarnyie. if link is audio/mp3 don't download but launch media-player
21:48.20qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, I think that can be done already :/
21:48.28KotCzarnyqwerty: any howto?
21:48.50KotCzarnyfor firefox i had to use mplayer-plugin
21:48.50qwerty12_N800look at /usr/share/applications/uri-action-defaults.list
21:49.02qwerty12_N800if i understand right
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21:49.27qwerty12_N800mplayer-plugin is available for microb too
21:49.37KotCzarnybut my question was generic
21:49.59qwerty12_N800ahh
21:50.24KotCzarnyqwerty: hmm, but that's for opening after download, i think
21:51.15KotCzarnysome apps can handle links by themselves
21:51.25Navi[16:39:19] <timely> maybe 23months if you wait a month :) <- Lol XD
21:51.27KotCzarnywhich is nice for peeking in the content
21:52.21qwerty12_N800Ah, my bad. I think streaming video opens in default media player w/out downloading. maybe look to see how that happens?
21:52.51KotCzarnyi'll try on mp3
21:53.41shaprI got a spam recently that said "ARM on the rise" in the subject line... I thought it had something to do with my N800!
21:55.59qwerty12_N800just switched to glasser and breaths sigh of relief
21:56.50KotCzarnyi like nuvoclear
21:56.50KotCzarny:)
21:57.17qwerty12_N800I do too but new reflash :)
21:58.30KotCzarnyhmm
21:58.31KotCzarnyok
21:58.33KotCzarnyi was wrong
21:58.41KotCzarnyclicking on mp3 opens mediaplayer
21:58.45KotCzarny:)
21:58.59qwerty12_N800:p
21:59.12KotCzarnygood :)
21:59.38qwerty12_N800-)
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22:02.54qwerty12_N800is still unsure how to get battery information in ftd working even under diablo initfs :/
22:03.35KotCzarnytry strace?
22:03.36KotCzarny:)
22:04.23qwerty12_N800Don't have a binary atm
22:05.41qwerty12_N800Unless ftd depends on testserver (which it shouldn't) to get the battery data.
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22:20.33skiburhello?
22:20.56skiburanybody using a microsoft gps-360 device with maemo mapper?
22:32.12AStormif it works over bluetooth, it should just work
22:32.27AStorm(after pairing, of course)
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22:37.04unixSnobI'm confused.. if MicroB is one of the firefox versions, what's the idea behind a 3rd party download for the "mozilla engine"?
22:37.07unixSnobDoesn't firefox/microb use the mozilla engine?
22:37.49AStormhuh? which download?
22:38.00AStormMicrob isn't exactly a version of Firefox
22:38.05unixSnobit's at browser.garage.maemo.org
22:38.07AStormit's a separate UI for Gecko
22:38.19unixSnobSomeone mentioned that microb was ff3, alpha1
22:39.02unixSnobwhat's a separate ui for gecko?  microb?
22:39.19unixSnobdoesn't know what gecko is either
22:39.21AStorm....
22:39.31AStormGecko is the page renderer
22:39.56AStormthe main library (there is Necko, network layer, NSPR, security lib and others)
22:41.12unixSnobthose are the components for microb?
22:42.16AStormyes, and firefox, and seamonkey, and thunderbird, and sunbird
22:42.29KotCzarnyand some other
22:42.30KotCzarny:)
22:42.33AStormya
22:42.50AStormlike that page editor
22:43.44AStormand chatzilla ;P
22:44.38unixSnobSo if I switch to the "mozilla engine", what am I giving up from microb?
22:44.54GeneralAntillesMicroB is mozilla.
22:45.00KotCzarnyis not
22:45.23AStormis not
22:45.32GeneralAntilles-based
22:45.37AStormnope
22:45.38GeneralAntillesMy fingers are tired.
22:45.40AStormit's Gecko-based
22:45.47GeneralAntillesThe correct term is mozilla-based. ;)
22:45.50AStormunixSnob: you don't switch
22:45.59AStormit should be an update
22:46.07AStormGeneralAntilles: nope
22:46.15unixSnobmicrob = ff3 alpha1, but != mozilla?  confusing
22:46.17AStormmozilla-based = from mozilla.org
22:46.23AStormunixSnob: no, it's not ff3 alpha1
22:46.24GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MicroB
22:46.29AStormjust the same version of Gecko
22:46.29GeneralAntillesNo, that's incorrect.
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22:46.37AStormGeneralAntilles: wikipedia, yeah, sure
22:46.38GeneralAntillesGecko-based browsers are "mozilla-based"
22:46.42AStormWRONG.
22:46.53AStormask mozilla guys, thank you
22:46.55GeneralAntillesLook at the source. <_<
22:46.57AStorm:-)
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22:47.58GeneralAntillesAStorm, what's the name of the maemo browser?
22:48.06AStormMicroB
22:48.07GeneralAntilles"Mozilla based browser for maemo"
22:48.12AStormnope
22:48.15GeneralAntillesYes it is.
22:48.18AStormthe name is MicroB
22:48.21GeneralAntillesNo, it's not.
22:48.24GeneralAntillesThe ENGINE is MicroB
22:48.30unixSnobis simply going to upgrade to the "mozilla engine" blindly, in hopes of improved download management
22:48.37GeneralAntillesThe whole browser is "Mozilla based browser for maemo"
22:48.37AStormengine is Gecko, sorry :-)
22:48.42GeneralAntilleshttp://browser.garage.maemo.org/
22:48.48GeneralAntillesAStorm, what are you, trolling?
22:48.49AStormblah blah, blah and blah
22:48.53AStormit uses Gecko directly
22:48.57timelymicrob is a codename for the engine
22:49.05AStormnot patched Gecko, or modded Gecko
22:49.07timelymicrob is a hacked gecko
22:49.11AStormreduced Gecko used for Minimo
22:49.14AStorm:-)
22:49.16timelycalling it gecko is unfair to gecko
22:49.20AStormnot really
22:49.24timelyum...
22:49.27AStormit is Gecko, but minimo variant
22:49.29timelyis a gecko dev
22:49.34KotCzarny:)
22:49.35KotCzarnyok
22:49.36unixSnobdamn.. wouldn't let me install the mozilla engine.. says incompatible installation.  I just upgraded maemo a few weeks ago
22:49.38timelyis also fairly responsible for the name requirements
22:49.42KotCzarnywe've got the source
22:49.44AStormfun
22:49.54KotCzarnytimely: what sentence is correct
22:49.59acydlordthe autorotate installer package doesnt like me
22:50.05KotCzarnyabout mozilla/firefox/gecko basedness
22:50.09timelyofficially Mozilla based browser for maemo
22:50.22AStormdoes it use any Mozilla code?
22:50.23timelyw/ microb being the name of the engine, and that it's a gecko derivative
22:50.29timelyAStorm: certainly
22:50.30AStormas in Code of Mozilla
22:50.39timelybut it isn't pure
22:50.44timelyit's adulturated
22:50.49timelyand stale
22:50.50AStormwell, the name is funny
22:50.55AStormthe UI isn't XUL
22:51.03Navitimely, oh yeah
22:51.07AStormthe engine isn't Gecko
22:51.10NaviThat's a funny name for a browser :P
22:51.12acydlorddoes anyone have a recent sources.list since gronmayer is down?
22:51.14AStormyet it's "Mozilla based"
22:51.19AStorm:>
22:51.23unixSnobthinks somone should draw a picture of all this
22:51.25timelyAStorm: camino is mozilla based
22:51.29timelyit doesn't use xul either
22:51.34AStormhmmhmm
22:51.35timelyalthough camino at least supports it (kinda0
22:51.41AStormok, now, gimme Firefox Mobile
22:51.49AStormany dates for that?
22:51.57timely+2years :)
22:52.00acydlordactually there is a firefox mobile in the repos
22:52.05acydlordit's called fennec
22:52.25timelyfennec's more of a prototype
22:52.34acydlordtrue
22:52.36AStormhm
22:52.39KotCzarnyworking prototype?
22:52.40KotCzarny:)
22:52.42AStormworking prototypes are good
22:52.57acydlordmicrob was a prototype too :p
22:53.24AStormbuggy prototype based on leaky version of Gecko
22:53.26AStorm:>
22:54.00acydlordthat's inferring that there are non leaky versions of gecko
22:54.07KotCzarny:)
22:54.14Naviacydlord, ooh :D
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22:54.19Navizing!
22:54.33acydlordlol
22:55.18AStormacydlord: well, 20080512 hasn't leaked anything except 3 here yet
22:55.36AStormthese 3 objects are from addon manager
22:55.41AStormso, light :>
23:00.35unixSnobso what's the name of the whole browser, which contains microb?
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23:01.30unixSnobah.. just read the wiki.. there is no name for it apparently
23:02.31GeneralAntilles"Mozilla based broswer for maemo"
23:02.43GeneralAntillesPeople just call the whole browser MicroB, though.
23:02.48timelywell, the browser host is basically "tablet-browser-ui"
23:02.51timelyor just "web"
23:02.59timelybut it can host any number of browser engines
23:03.48timelyin diablo, the host will actually be browserd instead of browser if you want to talk about unix processes
23:03.53timelybut that's another story
23:05.09KotCzarnymm, having links2 browser as an actual option :)
23:05.31unixSnobsomeone recommended flashgot earlier (since i need a decent download manager), but flashgot does not appear at garage.maemo.org.. or any download manager for that matter
23:06.15KotCzarnytimely: how about 'download with ..' option?
23:06.35KotCzarnybeside open/save/cancel
23:07.00KotCzarnyand having a list of apps
23:07.04KotCzarny:)
23:07.42timely....
23:07.50timelydownloading requires credentials
23:07.54timelycredentials aren't portable
23:08.00KotCzarnysometimes, yes
23:08.06timelythere's already a copy link location for the cases where you don't need credentials
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23:08.34KotCzarnybut then again there are variables
23:08.44KotCzarny%U for user etc
23:08.56KotCzarnythat could be used in actual cmd line
23:08.57timelyeh?
23:09.14unixSnobyeah, downloading files from sun.com is hell.  I have to login to get to the webpage, then some kind of authentication goes on for each file donwload, because it breaks wget
23:09.18KotCzarnyjust a theoretical
23:09.32KotCzarnybrowser would provide some variables for user
23:09.34unixSnobI need an integrated download manager that can handle the credentials
23:10.04timelyunixSnob: i've used wget to grab files from sun.com
23:10.06KotCzarnylike user (%U) pass (%P) target dir (%D) file name (%F)
23:10.21timelyKotCzarny: cookie, httpauthrealm, ...
23:10.23unixSnobtimely: me too, but it requires a script
23:10.24KotCzarnyand user could prepare list of apps using those variables
23:10.41KotCzarnytimely that could be in %C, %H
23:10.43unixSnoband for some reason, maemo doesn't have wget
23:11.25timelydoesn't have or doesn't ship?
23:11.44GeneralAntillesunixSnob, apt-get install wget
23:11.45timelyand did you verify curl wasn't available?
23:11.52timelysome systems prefer curl, just to be annoying
23:11.56unixSnobty GeneralAntilles
23:15.03unixSnobhow do I get root?  if I enter 'su - root' I get su: applet requires root privleges
23:15.03unixSnobah, sudo
23:15.50unixSnobwhat's the password/
23:15.57KotCzarnyempty
23:17.02unixSnobit seemed to take empty, but then I do a whoami, and response is "user"
23:17.29unixSnobsudo su - root should leave me in a root shell
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23:17.44GeneralAntillesInstall easyroot
23:17.48GeneralAntillestype: root
23:18.59acydlordor sudo gainroot -
23:19.11KotCzarnyor ssh root@0
23:20.02unixSnob"Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" <= response to sudo gainroot -
23:20.11unixSnoband it leaves me as a user
23:20.14GeneralAntillesInstall easyroot
23:20.20KotCzarnyinstall ssh-server
23:20.29timelycapture-root ;-)
23:20.34unixSnobi need to be root to install easyroot, don't I?
23:20.35timelybut easyroot sounds best
23:20.38timelyno
23:20.41timelyuse application manager
23:20.48timelylike everyone else :)
23:20.48GeneralAntillesnitapps.com
23:20.50unixSnobk
23:20.56GeneralAntillesAdd their repository or download the deb
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23:27.57unixSnobnice.. finally got root, and apt-getting wget
23:31.02unixSnobtimely - is curl better for accessing sun.com downloads?
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23:41.07timelyi don't think one is better
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23:42.30unixSnobwell wget is pretty rough.. it requires a separate script to handle the authentication for sun.com
23:42.38unixSnobSo I'll try curl
23:43.00unixSnobso far I have found libCurl for maemo, but not a separate app
23:43.57unixSnobThis chart makes curl look better than wget => http://curl.haxx.se/docs/comparison-table.html
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23:48.35rm_youI love the way the world is going with internet :P
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23:53.36n8k`d|elibomIs connecting to the net via Bluetooth out of the question with Vista?
23:53.56GeneralAntillesYou want #vista
23:54.08n8k`d|elibomUsing the n800 *shrugs*
23:54.21GeneralAntillesOh, you want to connect to a Vista box to get internet on the N800?
23:54.32n8k`d|elibomAye.  :P
23:54.39GeneralAntillesYou shoulda said that then. :P ;)
23:54.43GeneralAntillesInstall maemo-pan
23:54.43unixSnobhmm.. seems the default repository of maemo.org/extras is only a fraction of maemo.org offerings.. I see a maemo.org/pool - but adding it to the repository seems non-trivial
23:54.49GeneralAntillesThen set up a PAN network on the Vista machine.
23:54.52GeneralAntillesShould work.
23:55.10GeneralAntillesAlthough I don't recall whether there's a phone/computer issue with PAN support right now.
23:55.13n8k`d|elibomalright *begins looking*
23:55.26unixSnobNow I get "some catalogs unavailable".  how do I add the maemo.org pool catalog?
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23:58.33unixSnobthe full path looks like this http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/binary/curl_7.15.5-1osso1_armel.deb

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