| 00:06.29 | Grackle | wao that killed the chat |
| 00:07.06 | johnx | Yeah, I blame Navi :D |
| 00:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | There's something everybody can get behind! |
| 00:07.30 | Navi | I hate Navi |
| 00:07.35 | Navi | Navi always ruins everything |
| 00:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | Self-hating fairy. |
| 00:10.29 | KotCzarny | chat is a lie |
| 00:11.39 | Grackle | I'm surprised that there's no netbsd port for the n800. |
| 00:12.24 | Navi | : |
| 00:12.26 | Navi | :/ |
| 00:12.30 | Navi | N800 ran out of power |
| 00:12.47 | johnx | Navi, O_o |
| 00:12.49 | KotCzarny | grackle: power management is closed source |
| 00:12.54 | KotCzarny | so not much point |
| 00:13.01 | Grackle | Ah, that's a good reason. |
| 00:13.07 | Navi | let's see how long that took |
| 00:13.19 | KotCzarny | also, if you have armel port of netbsd you can try running it |
| 00:13.24 | elb | that would never stop netbsd |
| 00:13.29 | Grackle | I guess the fact that the software it comes with is pretty damn good to begin with also negates the need for a netbsd port. |
| 00:13.33 | johnx | yeah there's a lot of stuff that needs to be rewritten from scratch to make netbsd work |
| 00:13.36 | elb | most of their "supported" platforms just means it can initialize the kernel |
| 00:13.50 | elb | maybe spit a few bytes out tty0 on a serial port |
| 00:13.55 | Grackle | I wouldn |
| 00:14.00 | Grackle | I wouldn't say 'most of' |
| 00:14.04 | elb | yeah, most of |
| 00:14.04 | Navi | johnx, took about 2 hours with wifi on with usage :/ |
| 00:14.07 | elb | look at the list some time ;-) |
| 00:14.12 | johnx | hey, that's not too bad |
| 00:14.14 | Grackle | I have, |
| 00:14.35 | elb | it's super annoying to have something you want to put netbsd on, only to find out it doesn't really *work* there |
| 00:14.38 | elb | :-P |
| 00:15.02 | KotCzarny | who uses netbsd anyway? |
| 00:15.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:15.07 | elb | I think that is literally their criteria for listing support ... the kernel initializes and some communication can be done with the console |
| 00:15.17 | elb | keep in mind that for embedded systems that's normally "enough" |
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| 00:17.01 | Grackle | I dunno elb, a lot of stuff on there is damn well supported. Handheld devices are sketchier because of weird hardware, but a random selection of ports brings up a lot of supported devices and peripherals. |
| 00:17.24 | elb | well, they also pruned the list for 4.0 |
| 00:17.36 | elb | so maybe it's not as bad as I remember |
| 00:17.53 | elb | (gcc had even dropped support for some of the supported platforms) |
| 00:19.37 | Grackle | Well anyway, I don't really want netbsd, I just figured I'd look into it. |
| 00:20.10 | johnx | that's good. It will be enough of a challenge just getting a new linux kernel when we eventually want one |
| 00:20.39 | Grackle | Yes, I've been wondering about that. |
| 00:22.00 | johnx | the important thing will be to poke Nokia to release the binary part of the wireless driver in a way that makes it possible to abstract |
| 00:22.56 | Grackle | What do we have right now? |
| 00:23.06 | Navi | I'd just like some power management |
| 00:23.11 | johnx | the binary part is a loadable kernel module so it's bound to a specific kernel version |
| 00:23.12 | Navi | right now |
| 00:23.28 | johnx | Navi, we could strace wlancond I guess |
| 00:23.38 | Grackle | Oh, is that how that works. Yuck, heh. |
| 00:23.57 | johnx | but really, given that iwconfig does *something* it might not be too hard |
| 00:24.18 | Navi | Heh |
| 00:24.28 | Navi | if it did nothing, I wouldn't be able to connect to my router |
| 00:24.44 | johnx | err...that iwconfig power on does something |
| 00:24.48 | Navi | :) |
| 00:24.51 | johnx | :P |
| 00:25.15 | Grackle | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1236 What about this, johnx? |
| 00:25.34 | johnx | right |
| 00:25.37 | johnx | there are two parts |
| 00:25.45 | Grackle | Oh, and that's the open part. |
| 00:25.56 | johnx | yes, from what I understand |
| 00:26.00 | johnx | I'm not a kernel hacker |
| 00:26.14 | Grackle | I figured you weren't missing out on something that was right on maemo.org :P |
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| 00:27.12 | johnx | nope, though I wish I was. :/ I took that source and a patch on the mailing list that addes wext18 support to cx3110x and that's why Debian has wpa support through wpa_supplicant |
| 00:27.30 | Navi | don't we all wish we were? |
| 00:28.58 | Grackle | http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry080512-191044 whee |
| 00:29.31 | johnx | whee! |
| 00:29.49 | johnx | seriously...people have this weird thing for ubuntu |
| 00:30.10 | johnx | I just really don't get it... |
| 00:30.19 | Navi | Ubuntu = god |
| 00:30.26 | Navi | All praise Ubuntu |
| 00:30.40 | Navi | UBUNTU? Did you say Ubuntu?! |
| 00:30.44 | Grackle | I don't think it's weird. It's well maintained and well marketed. |
| 00:30.53 | johnx | the key is the last point |
| 00:31.02 | johnx | but I mean specifically for putting it on ARM devices |
| 00:31.08 | Navi | Doesn't matter how great Ubuntu is |
| 00:31.13 | Navi | People just have a thing for it |
| 00:31.27 | Navi | It doesn't matter how well it actually works |
| 00:32.09 | johnx | exactly...there's been debian running on the Z since approximately *forever* but as soon as someone spends like months making ubuntu work and gets that working, everyone goes nuts |
| 00:32.37 | Grackle | Well johnx, I say let them do it. There's a lot of interest in it, there's a large community, and there's good marketing. Canonical managed to get ubuntu onto dell machines. Maybe they could make their way into the pda market. |
| 00:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG UBUNTUUBUNTUUBUNTU |
| 00:32.52 | sp3000 | mushroom mushroom |
| 00:33.43 | Navi | heh |
| 00:33.48 | johnx | Grackle, they're free to do whatever they want...but it's pretty silly to put that much effort into ubuntu rather than just taking the part of ubuntu they don't like and grafting it onto the already working Debian setup |
| 00:34.08 | johnx | s/don't/do |
| 00:34.33 | Navi | The stuff that's already there is great |
| 00:34.41 | Grackle | It's politics, mostly. |
| 00:34.54 | Navi | we don't need to split up a niche market even more :P |
| 00:35.14 | johnx | Navi, exactly...that's why for a while I wasn't sure if pushing forward with Debian was the right thing to do |
| 00:35.53 | Navi | Debian on the Zaurus or N800? |
| 00:35.58 | johnx | n800 |
| 00:36.09 | Navi | nah, pushing that is a good idea |
| 00:36.20 | KotCzarny | push, baby, push push |
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| 00:38.35 | Navi | weird |
| 00:43.27 | Navi | I'm trying to send a rar over scp |
| 00:43.58 | johnx | .rar's are weird |
| 00:44.09 | Navi | I can't extract them on the N800 |
| 00:44.12 | Navi | I can on my PC |
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| 00:44.30 | KotCzarny | do you have unrar? |
| 00:44.36 | Navi | ... |
| 00:44.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:45.04 | Navi | Anyways, extracting it fails |
| 00:45.45 | johnx | hey...the wireless actually went to sleep after 51 seconds :D |
| 00:45.54 | johnx | wireless power saving works! muahahaha |
| 00:46.06 | Grackle | haha |
| 00:46.09 | Grackle | 51 seconds |
| 00:46.10 | Grackle | ncie |
| 00:46.12 | Grackle | nice |
| 00:46.17 | Navi | johnx, cool |
| 00:46.20 | Navi | how'd you do it? |
| 00:46.30 | johnx | iwconfig wlan0 power on |
| 00:46.36 | Navi | :P |
| 00:46.40 | johnx | that's the one setting that works |
| 00:47.06 | Navi | I need to alias ls to ls --color |
| 00:47.12 | johnx | and it gives me in dmesg: "cx3110x: PSM dynamic with 51020 ms CAM timeout." |
| 00:47.29 | KotCzarny | johnx: make it 4s |
| 00:47.42 | johnx | KotCzarny, the whole point is I *can't* |
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| 00:47.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:47.56 | johnx | that's the only option: 51.02s or always on |
| 00:47.58 | KotCzarny | oh, well |
| 00:48.22 | johnx | yeah, it should help a bit |
| 00:48.43 | Navi | heh |
| 00:48.46 | Grackle | How are you trying to set the period? |
| 00:48.57 | johnx | iwconfig wlan0 period 1 |
| 00:49.03 | johnx | doesn't matter what I give it |
| 00:49.10 | johnx | timeout doesn't work either |
| 00:49.10 | Navi | iwconfig wlan0 power saving <insertnumberhere> doesn't work either :P |
| 00:49.16 | johnx | nope |
| 00:49.26 | johnx | I tried like *every* option for power that I could find |
| 00:49.30 | Grackle | how about timeout <number>u |
| 00:49.32 | Grackle | oh ok |
| 00:49.35 | Grackle | :/ |
| 00:49.42 | johnx | Grackle, I haven't tried u yet |
| 00:50.01 | Grackle | or ms |
| 00:50.09 | Navi | I've tried with power saving |
| 00:50.10 | johnx | tried m for ms |
| 00:50.11 | Grackle | Might work, seeing how it outputs in ms |
| 00:50.13 | johnx | no love |
| 00:50.15 | Grackle | :/ |
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| 00:50.50 | johnx | it might be possible to implement more wext stuff in the open source driver |
| 00:51.13 | Navi | Mmm |
| 00:51.26 | Navi | qcomicbook works nice |
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| 01:00.47 | johnx | uhm...well I did *something* and now ssh is acthing skitchy |
| 01:01.09 | johnx | poking around in /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap |
| 01:01.28 | KotCzarny | power timeout can affect ssh performance |
| 01:01.42 | johnx | I did echo 1 > psm |
| 01:01.53 | johnx | psm ?= power saving mode |
| 01:02.38 | KotCzarny | dmesg|tail ? |
| 01:02.59 | johnx | nothing but the usuall VMMC stuff |
| 01:03.26 | KotCzarny | try 1000 ? |
| 01:03.53 | KotCzarny | or better yet, what was the default? |
| 01:03.56 | KotCzarny | before you changed it |
| 01:03.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:04.02 | johnx | I can't...I tried to echi 2 at it and echo hung |
| 01:04.04 | johnx | it was 2 |
| 01:04.24 | Navi | hey, cool |
| 01:04.34 | Navi | the wifi chip area isn't burning hot anymore |
| 01:05.23 | KotCzarny | maybe it's a simple on/off then |
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| 01:05.49 | johnx | I would laugh pretty hard if wlancond is just a running echo n > /sys/foo |
| 01:05.54 | Navi | lol |
| 01:06.04 | johnx | ...but I think it might be for a lot of stuff |
| 01:06.22 | johnx | like channels, mac address, txpower |
| 01:06.41 | Navi | eh |
| 01:07.31 | Navi | weird |
| 01:07.36 | Navi | none of my hardware keys are working |
| 01:07.53 | johnx | did you just reboot and they stopped working? |
| 01:07.57 | Navi | yep |
| 01:08.06 | johnx | try killing X and starting it again |
| 01:08.19 | Navi | mmk |
| 01:08.23 | johnx | ok iwconfig wlan0 power off causes psm to be 0, and power on makes it 2 |
| 01:08.33 | KotCzarny | try 3 then |
| 01:08.57 | johnx | hang |
| 01:09.15 | KotCzarny | 5 6? |
| 01:09.24 | johnx | will have to reboot first I guess |
| 01:09.38 | KotCzarny | or iwconfig down maybe? |
| 01:09.40 | KotCzarny | rmmod ? |
| 01:11.47 | johnx | did that |
| 01:11.50 | johnx | didn't come back up |
| 01:12.46 | johnx | woo |
| 01:12.48 | johnx | and it's back |
| 01:14.38 | Navi | :P |
| 01:16.47 | johnx | I think 2 is dynamic and 1 is powersave |
| 01:17.22 | johnx | I should boot back to os2008 and see what it does under that |
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| 01:20.06 | Grackle | installs strace |
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| 01:21.29 | johnx | 1 might be the "agressive" powersaving from so2008 |
| 01:21.30 | johnx | not sure |
| 01:21.47 | johnx | ssh certainly feels the same as in os2008 |
| 01:22.16 | johnx | get some DPMS love into the X server and maybe call it done :D |
| 01:22.57 | _berto_ | dudes, vagalume 0.6 is out -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2008/05/15/vagalume-06-released/ |
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| 01:23.35 | johnx | hot sauce |
| 01:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | When's Vagalume gonna spare us the repository stupidity and move to Extras? :\ |
| 01:24.21 | _berto_ | as soon as they give me the account |
| 01:24.23 | _berto_ | :) |
| 01:24.26 | _berto_ | I've already requested it |
| 01:24.30 | Navi | :P |
| 01:24.48 | GeneralAntilles | Speed things up, badger X-Fade_. :P |
| 01:26.39 | johnx | I'll get a debian/armel build running :) |
| 01:26.43 | Navi | :D |
| 01:27.23 | johnx | darn...wmaker is pretty useless without right click :( |
| 01:27.27 | Navi | of course, the old build is still there |
| 01:27.43 | johnx | old build? |
| 01:27.55 | Navi | apt-cache search vagalume |
| 01:28.05 | johnx | oh, suppose so |
| 01:28.17 | johnx | I didn't realize it already got into debian |
| 01:28.20 | johnx | that was fast |
| 01:28.32 | _berto_ | last version |
| 01:28.42 | _berto_ | this one isn't uploaded yet |
| 01:28.47 | _berto_ | but it should be tomorrow |
| 01:29.03 | johnx | that's ok...I'm curious about compile time |
| 01:30.13 | _berto_ | you mean this? -> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=agarcia%40igalia.com |
| 01:32.57 | johnx | fair enough, curiosity satisfied |
| 01:33.06 | johnx | saves me installing a build env on my n800 too |
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| 01:33.57 | johnx | so nice to see such a slick little app in this era of "everything + the kitchen sink" media players |
| 01:35.11 | _berto_ | well, even if I wanted to do a huge media player (which is not the case) I don't have time for more :D |
| 01:35.47 | johnx | honestly, if vagalume was a huge all-encompassing thing I think it would lose a lot of its charm to me |
| 01:35.56 | johnx | I open it, hit play and music comes out |
| 01:36.13 | _berto_ | I don't plan to do that |
| 01:36.20 | johnx | good :) |
| 01:36.57 | Navi | heh |
| 01:37.00 | _berto_ | in fact I try to make all the new features optional at compile time, in case anyone wants just the basic player |
| 01:37.14 | Navi | I was just going to use your tarball as my chroot in the maemo sdk |
| 01:37.21 | Navi | and build on there :o |
| 01:37.50 | johnx | needs to do a new sbox install *grumble* |
| 01:37.54 | Navi | :) |
| 01:38.05 | johnx | right now I build on my zaurus :D |
| 01:38.10 | Navi | lol XD |
| 01:38.15 | Navi | must be hell |
| 01:38.21 | johnx | it's not bad for small stuff |
| 01:38.26 | Navi | I can't wait too long :P |
| 01:38.30 | johnx | and big stuff is unlikely to succeed, so... |
| 01:38.49 | Grackle | Is building on the zaurus any better than building on the n800? |
| 01:38.57 | johnx | oh it's a lot worse |
| 01:39.16 | johnx | half the RAM, slower SD hardware, slower CPU |
| 01:39.28 | Grackle | Why don't you build on the n800 then? |
| 01:39.30 | Navi | :P |
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| 01:39.43 | johnx | I guess I could but I didn't really have a nice debian environment til now |
| 01:40.01 | Grackle | Use the repos from your scratchbox installation and set up a build environment in ITOS |
| 01:40.06 | johnx | plus I can't boot to USB on the N800 and that represents the biggest flash storage I own right now |
| 01:40.07 | Grackle | That's what I did, it works nicely. |
| 01:40.13 | Grackle | oh |
| 01:40.36 | johnx | It *should* be possible |
| 01:40.56 | johnx | but if I looked into every interesting side project I'd never have released anything... |
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| 01:41.13 | Grackle | hah, true |
| 01:44.14 | dick-richardson | got the vpn back :D |
| 01:48.35 | Navi | I thought you could boot USB |
| 01:49.01 | johnx | I should be able to poke at bootmenu.conf and have it just work |
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| 01:55.50 | _berto_ | i need to sleep |
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| 01:55.51 | _berto_ | bye all |
| 01:55.57 | johnx | 'night _berto_ |
| 01:56.03 | Navi | bye _berto_ |
| 01:56.06 | johnx | thanks for the new vagalume release :) |
| 01:56.16 | _berto_ | you're welcome, enjoy :) |
| 01:56.16 | Navi | Woo vagalume \o/ |
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| 01:56.40 | Navi | ffs |
| 01:56.58 | Navi | 10mb download >_> |
| 01:57.09 | Navi | still haven't switched from the japanese repos |
| 01:57.15 | johnx | slow? |
| 01:57.33 | Navi | nah |
| 01:57.37 | Navi | just takes a while to connect |
| 02:00.17 | Navi | ugh |
| 02:00.21 | Navi | now I don't have any sound |
| 02:00.47 | johnx | in anything? |
| 02:00.53 | Navi | in anything |
| 02:01.15 | johnx | did you update a lot of alsa stuff? |
| 02:01.40 | Navi | All I did was install vagalume |
| 02:01.52 | johnx | sound still works here in mpd |
| 02:01.59 | johnx | but vagalume doesn't love me |
| 02:02.17 | Navi | channel spam time |
| 02:02.20 | johnx | you might try recopying everything from /mnt/rootfs/usr/lib/alsa-lib |
| 02:02.25 | Navi | May:/home/user# alsamixer |
| 02:02.26 | Navi | dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3 |
| 02:02.28 | Navi | dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm_rec1 |
| 02:02.30 | Navi | dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3 |
| 02:02.32 | Navi | dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm_rec1 |
| 02:02.34 | johnx | O_o |
| 02:02.54 | johnx | what about alsamixer -D master |
| 02:03.08 | dieman | yay |
| 02:03.18 | dieman | found a psp case for my n810 |
| 02:03.37 | dieman | neoprene ftw |
| 02:03.54 | Navi | no error |
| 02:04.16 | Navi | oh yeah |
| 02:05.00 | Grackle | A PSP case fits your N810? |
| 02:05.02 | Grackle | How well? |
| 02:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | Considering that the PSP is several orders of magnitude larger than the N810. . . |
| 02:06.20 | Navi | johnx, reminds me |
| 02:06.28 | johnx | mm? |
| 02:06.44 | Navi | I like your choice of song that you picked to come with debian |
| 02:06.50 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 02:06.51 | Grackle | Yeah.. I wouldn't think it would fit at all, really. |
| 02:07.02 | johnx | I was so freakin' tired when I spun that last tarball |
| 02:07.13 | KotCzarny | abba? |
| 02:07.23 | johnx | Moxy Fruvous |
| 02:07.35 | johnx | awesome song :D |
| 02:07.50 | Navi | :) |
| 02:07.59 | KotCzarny | never heard of |
| 02:08.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:08.18 | johnx | Moxy Fruvous - King of Spain |
| 02:08.57 | KotCzarny | http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/MSI_Wind_PC_Actual_Product_First_Look/5774.html |
| 02:09.01 | Navi | I'm rebooting to see if it helps |
| 02:09.06 | KotCzarny | looks like wii pc |
| 02:09.17 | Grackle | hah, it does |
| 02:09.19 | Grackle | it's cute |
| 02:09.23 | Navi | Oh yeah |
| 02:09.29 | Navi | They're nerfing the Linux one :P |
| 02:09.36 | johnx | yeah |
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| 02:09.46 | Grackle | Lame. |
| 02:09.48 | johnx | 512MB of RAM is fine...but the 3 cell battery hurts |
| 02:10.04 | Navi | then they'll probably complain that the Linux PCs aren't getting as many sales |
| 02:10.28 | Grackle | weird song, johnx |
| 02:10.35 | johnx | :D |
| 02:10.41 | Navi | and microshaft will use that to catapult themselves into the ultra low cost market |
| 02:10.49 | johnx | hah |
| 02:10.50 | Grackle | It's not *bad*, it's just *strange* |
| 02:10.52 | KotCzarny | with xp home? |
| 02:10.55 | KotCzarny | vomits |
| 02:10.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:11.00 | Navi | vomit indeed |
| 02:11.05 | Navi | but end users don't know the difference |
| 02:11.16 | KotCzarny | games will play, right |
| 02:11.27 | johnx | MS has taken an utterly inept strategy at dealing with low-end, cheap x86 sub-portables |
| 02:11.29 | KotCzarny | somehow |
| 02:11.54 | Navi | Hey look! We have a few copies of XP Home laying around |
| 02:12.03 | Navi | looks at the several warehouses full of them |
| 02:12.14 | Navi | We'll give them to you if you follow our guidelines |
| 02:12.19 | johnx | but you can't use them on any machine with more than X MB of RAM or a >1GHz CPU unless we change our minds |
| 02:12.33 | Grackle | Heh, they don't need physical copies. |
| 02:12.38 | KotCzarny | i wonder if cpu upgrade would be allowed |
| 02:12.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:12.40 | Grackle | Nobody ships install discs anymore. |
| 02:12.54 | Navi | The Isaiah and the Atom don't count in the 1GHz llimit |
| 02:13.04 | KotCzarny | xp detected that your cpu is too fast, bsod |
| 02:13.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:13.10 | johnx | KotCzarny, CPUs probably aren't socketed in those kind of machines |
| 02:13.10 | Navi | Lol |
| 02:13.48 | KotCzarny | johnx: that would suck when your mobo dies |
| 02:13.54 | Navi | Pfft |
| 02:13.56 | Navi | cheap pc |
| 02:13.58 | Navi | just buy a new one |
| 02:14.44 | Navi | reboot fixed it |
| 02:15.05 | Navi | I wish the headphone jack worked |
| 02:15.11 | johnx | Navi, it does... |
| 02:15.16 | Navi | Oh |
| 02:15.17 | johnx | just enable it in mixer :P |
| 02:15.33 | johnx | headset amplifier or somesuch |
| 02:15.40 | Navi | gah |
| 02:15.48 | Navi | not having modest installed is really fucking me over |
| 02:15.55 | Navi | I'm several days behind on email |
| 02:16.01 | Navi | d |
| 02:16.07 | johnx | I know...it forces me to stay up to date too |
| 02:16.25 | Navi | Does it? |
| 02:16.44 | johnx | it blinks that damn blue light at me from across the room unless I at least read me mail |
| 02:17.03 | Navi | Heh |
| 02:17.28 | johnx | ah, would you mind pastebining /var/log/messages from when sound wasn't working? |
| 02:17.40 | johnx | kinda interested to see if the dsp task died or something... |
| 02:17.41 | Navi | sure |
| 02:18.13 | Navi | after I get my network up, swap enabled, and power on |
| 02:18.25 | johnx | in that order? |
| 02:18.40 | johnx | I put swap in /etc/fstab |
| 02:18.46 | Navi | You'd think that'd be a weird order |
| 02:18.53 | Navi | Nah, I'm much too lazy to put it in fstab |
| 02:18.56 | johnx | I don't see why |
| 02:19.00 | Navi | I haven't even changed the repo yet |
| 02:19.04 | Navi | network for ssh |
| 02:19.24 | Navi | swap's in my bash history |
| 02:19.39 | johnx | it's funny that you did the whole keyboard thing then :) |
| 02:19.44 | johnx | I was putting off looking at that |
| 02:19.55 | Navi | heh |
| 02:20.05 | Navi | lucky you |
| 02:20.11 | Navi | I wanted it more than you :P |
| 02:20.32 | Grackle | damn it |
| 02:20.44 | Grackle | *hums 'now I eat humble pie'* |
| 02:20.49 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 02:20.50 | Navi | Hehe :D |
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| 02:21.08 | Navi | it's catchy indeed |
| 02:21.15 | Navi | I had it on loop for a while |
| 02:21.44 | johnx | it was the one song I could stand to listen to over and over as I messed with the settings for mpd |
| 02:23.06 | pupnik | http://www.thechurning.com/?p=327 there's a catchy song too |
| 02:25.15 | Navi | the collapsed interface in gmpc is nice |
| 02:25.28 | Navi | not the fully collapsed interface |
| 02:25.31 | Navi | the middle one |
| 02:26.19 | Navi | hmm |
| 02:26.25 | Navi | needs a toggle |
| 02:26.39 | johnx | that looks nice |
| 02:26.43 | Navi | sound that is |
| 02:27.02 | johnx | I think I'll just switch to sonata now though |
| 02:27.13 | Navi | haha |
| 02:28.01 | Navi | playing with the n800 speakers as well makes sound richer |
| 02:28.10 | Navi | even though the n800 speakers suck :/ |
| 02:28.23 | johnx | they really don't for something that size though |
| 02:28.31 | Navi | yeh |
| 02:29.14 | johnx | you have start comparing them to a pretty decent laptop before they lose |
| 02:29.28 | Navi | Oh yeah, the song also fits nicely in the midrange tones |
| 02:29.35 | Navi | which the N800 does nicely |
| 02:30.23 | Grackle | decides to play some music on his n800 now |
| 02:30.23 | johnx | probably wasn't the best to test with |
| 02:30.23 | Navi | probably not |
| 02:30.23 | Grackle | yay soma.fm |
| 02:30.23 | johnx | BTW, if you end up with distortion in mpd tweak the write_size in mpd.conf |
| 02:30.47 | Navi | mmk |
| 02:30.58 | Navi | I'll scp over some full ranged music |
| 02:31.16 | Navi | more complicated too :P |
| 02:31.22 | Grackle | Hmm, the n800 drives my massive headphones nicely. |
| 02:31.26 | Navi | Heh |
| 02:31.36 | Navi | needs an equalizer |
| 02:31.45 | Grackle | yeah |
| 02:31.56 | johnx | heh...my zaurus has settings for bass and treble with various cut-offs |
| 02:31.58 | Navi | GA's going to come in any moment and say equalizers suck :P |
| 02:32.04 | Navi | show-off |
| 02:32.24 | johnx | but I don't know how to set them so that it sounds good O_o |
| 02:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | No, Navi sux. |
| 02:32.42 | Navi | no u |
| 02:33.12 | Navi | johnx, tell me how well sonata performs |
| 02:33.19 | johnx | ok |
| 02:33.24 | Navi | If it sucks, I'll go bitch at stonecrest ^_^ |
| 02:33.24 | johnx | thought it was fine on my zaurus |
| 02:33.33 | johnx | I don't see it being worse |
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| 02:36.17 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know how to set microb to the useragent string of the iphone? |
| 02:36.26 | Navi | about:config |
| 02:36.31 | livinroom | dont you mention the Zaurus here |
| 02:36.38 | Navi | ZAURUS |
| 02:36.43 | livinroom | BURN THE WITCH! |
| 02:36.53 | EruditeHermit | what string in about:config |
| 02:37.01 | Navi | I don't remember, actually |
| 02:37.01 | Grackle | And what do we use to burn witches? |
| 02:37.03 | Navi | sorry |
| 02:37.05 | livinroom | well, fire |
| 02:37.07 | livinroom | fire burns |
| 02:37.09 | Grackle | MORE WITCHES! |
| 02:37.10 | Navi | Grackle, cdrkit |
| 02:37.19 | livinroom | sooo |
| 02:37.20 | Navi | real men use wodim to burn witches |
| 02:37.23 | johnx | why can't we all just get along?! |
| 02:37.27 | livinroom | i just burned a CD on my n800 using an external USB cd burner |
| 02:37.30 | johnx | EruditeHermit, google: microb user agent |
| 02:37.33 | johnx | second result |
| 02:38.40 | livinroom | and i burned, to cd, mp3's stolen from itunes on my iphone over a wireless network! AH-HA!!! AM I NOT THE GREATEST? |
| 02:39.15 | johnx | you rascally pirate you |
| 02:39.51 | Navi | ooh |
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| 02:39.54 | Navi | really bad distortion |
| 02:39.56 | pupnik | the equalizer on xmms is quite useful |
| 02:39.58 | pupnik | hey wb unique311 |
| 02:40.18 | pupnik | btw a nice project would be a gstreamer based equalizer, i think |
| 02:40.21 | unique311 | whats up |
| 02:40.46 | pupnik | ordered a HD camera just to film the tablet screen.. |
| 02:40.51 | pupnik | heh |
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| 02:41.19 | Navi | Woo |
| 02:41.24 | Navi | Good job |
| 02:41.26 | Navi | :) |
| 02:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | I still think the low-light sensitivity is gonna be bad. :P |
| 02:41.58 | Navi | I still think you're bad |
| 02:42.01 | pupnik | i'm happy lcuk will be at linuxtag cause his work will dovetail nicely into the stuff i will present as 'still sucking' about emulators |
| 02:42.19 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: you're almost certainly right |
| 02:42.33 | pupnik | will crank the brightness and hope for some kind of usable results |
| 02:44.13 | KotCzarny | pupnik: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-plugin-equalizer.html |
| 02:44.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:44.24 | pupnik | whoah |
| 02:44.24 | KotCzarny | available in: 0.10.8 |
| 02:44.49 | KotCzarny | gstreamer project has a lots of stuff |
| 02:44.59 | KotCzarny | see for yourself: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html |
| 02:45.42 | Navi | Yeah, they do |
| 02:47.17 | KotCzarny | it could be useful for people bragging about webcam app too |
| 02:50.40 | johnx | Navi, startup is slow as it pulls in all of python |
| 02:51.02 | Navi | Yeah, figured as much |
| 02:51.02 | johnx | but after that it seems ok |
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| 03:07.43 | Grackle | considers taking apart his n770 (which now no longer has a purpose) and hacking it into something, with a USB keyboard and lots of battery and IO |
| 03:07.55 | Grackle | s/now // |
| 03:09.15 | Grackle | I have a pretty nice project box that it could fit in. |
| 03:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | What's an N770? |
| 03:09.38 | johnx | a Nokia770 I assume |
| 03:09.44 | Grackle | sorry nitpicker, a 770 |
| 03:09.46 | johnx | Grackle, use it as a remote :) |
| 03:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 03:09.49 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, it's the next generation N series phone |
| 03:10.02 | GeneralAntilles | 770 makes an awesome media remote/ebook reader. |
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| 03:10.09 | johnx | Grackle, or put Debian on it :D |
| 03:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | Plug it in next to the couch or bed or something. |
| 03:10.17 | johnx | do you have a 1GB RS-MMC? |
| 03:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, the 770 is probably the BEST ebook reader. |
| 03:10.34 | Grackle | Only one, and that's in my n800 |
| 03:10.34 | Navi | Lies |
| 03:10.49 | Grackle | What? I'd definitely take a kindle over anything else. |
| 03:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 03:11.02 | Grackle | That tiny LCD screen is hell on my eyes at night |
| 03:11.04 | GeneralAntilles | Kindle doesn't fit in your pocket. |
| 03:11.06 | Navi | Hehe |
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| 03:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | The NIT screens are great for reading. |
| 03:11.16 | Navi | But it's easier on the eyes :P |
| 03:11.29 | Grackle | What's easier on the eyes? |
| 03:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Kindle also doesn't have a backlight |
| 03:11.41 | johnx | it |
| 03:11.45 | GeneralAntilles | So you can't read in the dark. |
| 03:11.54 | Grackle | I don't want to read in the dark |
| 03:12.07 | Grackle | staring at brightly lit things in the dark is hell for your eyes |
| 03:12.08 | KotCzarny | usb led light |
| 03:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | That's why you turn down the backlight to minimum. |
| 03:12.22 | Navi | nah |
| 03:12.36 | Navi | johnx, we totally need an lcd system tray applet |
| 03:12.45 | Grackle | Or... I can just have a shelf full of books and a lamp. :P |
| 03:12.50 | Grackle | keeps it simple |
| 03:12.52 | johnx | we should foojack the one for the zaurus |
| 03:13.00 | GeneralAntilles | Books are hard to keep and move |
| 03:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | shelving space isn't free |
| 03:13.07 | Navi | johnx, we should indeed |
| 03:13.08 | Grackle | I'd like to make a portable ham radio setup. That would be fun. |
| 03:13.09 | johnx | it probably just writes values into someplace in /sys |
| 03:13.20 | GeneralAntilles | The shelving space is for my interesting/collectible books. |
| 03:13.32 | johnx | actually...we could foojack all of zaurusd in the interim |
| 03:14.23 | elb | heh denying the benefits of e-ink is pure fanboyism |
| 03:14.38 | Navi | johnx, can we already adjust the lcd brightness? |
| 03:14.45 | johnx | elb, yeah, I'm a fan of color |
| 03:14.57 | johnx | Navi, echo 10 > /sys/somewhere |
| 03:14.57 | Navi | I'm a fan of backlights |
| 03:14.58 | elb | oh, there are definitely benefits of LCD as well |
| 03:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, read the wiki page. |
| 03:15.00 | Grackle | color for reading books? |
| 03:15.01 | johnx | it's on the wiki |
| 03:15.06 | Navi | Bleh |
| 03:15.07 | elb | but e-ink really is easier on the eyes |
| 03:15.17 | Navi | I already read the wiki page a few times and forgot everything |
| 03:15.24 | Navi | I'm not going to read it again :P |
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| 03:15.34 | johnx | grep -i brightness wiki-page :P |
| 03:15.35 | GeneralAntilles | RTFM, bitch! |
| 03:16.21 | Grackle | artie effum |
| 03:17.04 | shapr | The lyfe so short, the Craft so long to lerne |
| 03:17.06 | Grackle | Does the bluetooth module do any sort of power saving? |
| 03:17.21 | johnx | I have no clue |
| 03:17.31 | Grackle | My iGo bluetooth keyboard is rather slow, it seems. Or maybe the screen just updates slowly. |
| 03:17.59 | johnx | this is in os2008, right? |
| 03:18.39 | Grackle | Nope, not a screen update problem. Just used screen and ssh to test that. |
| 03:18.42 | Grackle | Yes, OS2008 |
| 03:19.02 | johnx | it's slow with a usb keyboard too |
| 03:19.07 | Grackle | Actually, typi.. yeah |
| 03:19.11 | Grackle | I noticed that. |
| 03:19.14 | Grackle | Strange. |
| 03:19.28 | Grackle | How is it when running debian? |
| 03:20.01 | johnx | let me plug my keyboard in... |
| 03:20.15 | Navi | heh |
| 03:20.20 | Navi | ITT forums time |
| 03:21.02 | Navi | Anyone believe the guy who said the N900 coming at the end of Q3? |
| 03:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | +/-3 months |
| 03:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt Nokia has it pinned down that hard. |
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| 03:21.52 | johnx | I'd bet late 2008/early 2009 |
| 03:22.03 | johnx | should be just fine for me :) |
| 03:22.12 | johnx | I just hope they keep the keyboard |
| 03:22.24 | pupnik | what's most important for the maemo community to have fixed-up for the N900 launch? |
| 03:22.39 | EruditeHermit | fast browser |
| 03:22.51 | EruditeHermit | which diablo might fix |
| 03:23.04 | EruditeHermit | GPS that locks in <1 min |
| 03:23.07 | johnx | EruditeHermit, that's not really a community thing and no diablo won't fix it |
| 03:23.16 | johnx | neither thing, actually |
| 03:23.17 | Grackle | I'd like serious thought put into usability. |
| 03:23.30 | pupnik | repeat. community. |
| 03:23.30 | Navi | pupnik, video |
| 03:23.37 | Grackle | Software usability, that is. |
| 03:23.40 | pupnik | video what? |
| 03:23.56 | Navi | the removal of the bus limitation in general |
| 03:24.07 | pupnik | that's nokia hardware issue |
| 03:24.11 | Navi | Yeah :P |
| 03:24.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 03:24.18 | Navi | Oh, maemo |
| 03:24.21 | Navi | Uh |
| 03:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | I don't particularly care about the software. |
| 03:24.24 | pupnik | what community projects are lagging that would help sell the N900? |
| 03:24.29 | johnx | the question was about maemo and the community especially |
| 03:24.33 | GeneralAntilles | Shipping Chinook on OMAP3 is good enough for me. |
| 03:24.33 | Navi | pupnik, you know the answer to that. |
| 03:24.35 | Navi | PIM |
| 03:24.37 | Navi | PIM |
| 03:24.41 | Navi | PIM |
| 03:24.43 | Navi | etc etc |
| 03:24.44 | EruditeHermit | how about specifications for application genres |
| 03:24.47 | Navi | Personally, I don't care |
| 03:24.48 | johnx | syncing I might be able to look at actually... |
| 03:24.51 | Grackle | now we know it 3 times |
| 03:25.20 | EruditeHermit | everyone makes their own category in app manager for their section |
| 03:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, they're working on it. |
| 03:25.44 | johnx | Grackle, no lag in Debian. I think it might have to do with word prediction taking up CPU time |
| 03:25.51 | Navi | pimlico needs to be rewritten to catch up with pimlico on openmoko |
| 03:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | Though there was an awful lot of jerky reactionism to the idea on the lists. :\ |
| 03:26.14 | shapr | speaking of debian, does anyone know if the random number generator problem in Debian is also in maemo? |
| 03:26.15 | johnx | too many arguments from people without better ideas |
| 03:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm real tired of the lists these days. |
| 03:26.43 | shapr | I know lots of people who'd buy an N800 if it had a decent PIM. |
| 03:26.56 | johnx | shapr, you can run ssh-vulnkey on your keys on your tablet if you want |
| 03:27.02 | Navi | johnx, yeah, there's a lot of tearing in xfce4 :/ |
| 03:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | The community needs to pick a PIM suite and get behind it. |
| 03:27.17 | pupnik | agree on the PIM Navi. What's the next most requested thing that fits in with the 'internet tablet' use case? |
| 03:27.25 | johnx | Navi, try running fb_update_mode manual |
| 03:27.26 | Navi | Fine |
| 03:27.35 | mrlanrat | calendar? |
| 03:27.38 | Grackle | johnx: disabled word completion and friends, let's give it a shot.. |
| 03:27.45 | Grackle | Nope, still laggy as hell. |
| 03:28.02 | Navi | pupnik, that's hard to say |
| 03:28.05 | johnx | Grackle, I still think it might be a CPU usage thing |
| 03:28.29 | Grackle | Well I won't worry about it too much, I won't be playing in ITOS much. :) |
| 03:28.36 | EruditeHermit | problem with PIM is that they'd have to write desktop software to sync it for Win, Linux and OSX |
| 03:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | Why? |
| 03:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | Just use an open standard |
| 03:28.55 | Navi | Well, you can sync pimlico with evolution crap. |
| 03:28.56 | Grackle | johnx: You don't have bluetooth working in debian yet, do you? |
| 03:29.09 | Navi | you can sync gpe to google calendar and such |
| 03:29.12 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: Windows doesn't have opensync on it does it? |
| 03:29.22 | johnx | Grackle, it works fine |
| 03:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | They could probably integrate it with their existing sync stuff. |
| 03:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want a PIM from Nokia, anyway. |
| 03:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia forces software to be shitty. |
| 03:29.42 | Grackle | johnx: with keyboards? I didn't see it, but I didn't look very hard either. |
| 03:29.53 | johnx | well the bluetooth works |
| 03:30.05 | EruditeHermit | I use GPE and sync with opensync anyway |
| 03:30.07 | johnx | I assume you just set it up the same way you do on any other debian system |
| 03:30.18 | johnx | I don't have a bt keyboard so I can't test |
| 03:30.26 | Grackle | I suppose so. I'll have to look into how that's done. |
| 03:30.43 | pupnik | Yeah PIM and calendar. Maybe we can somehow encourage ppl to get active in that? |
| 03:31.29 | johnx | well, I'm glad I got mirrors this time. O_o 3.37GB of Debian transfered from one of the mirrors |
| 03:31.31 | l7 | re |
| 03:31.42 | Navi | johnx, which? |
| 03:31.42 | l7 | how does Nokia force software to be shitty? |
| 03:31.44 | pupnik | also i'd love it if ssvb got some sponsorship and dev boards for mplayer on n900 |
| 03:31.57 | johnx | debian.i2c4.com |
| 03:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see people get behind Pimlico |
| 03:32.04 | Navi | heh |
| 03:32.10 | l7 | i have been wondering why there's no PIM in the n800 |
| 03:32.11 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, still needs a rewrite |
| 03:32.25 | Navi | l7, it's not that there isn't a PIM suite on the N800 |
| 03:32.34 | johnx | I read that as GeneralAntilles needing a rewrite :P |
| 03:32.41 | Grackle | haha |
| 03:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | Probably. |
| 03:32.52 | l7 | Navi: lack of sync maybe? |
| 03:32.56 | Navi | it's just that there isn't a easy-enough-for-lazy-people-to-sync |
| 03:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | l7, stupid UI spec, slow ass release cycles of what amounts to unstable software, stupid UI spec |
| 03:34.16 | Navi | johnx, there's a lot of iceweasel stuff in the repos for there not being an iceweasel build |
| 03:34.20 | Navi | >_> |
| 03:34.36 | pupnik | being compatible with microsoft is kind of a nightmare |
| 03:34.36 | johnx | that's a debian thing |
| 03:34.41 | johnx | it's all built automagically |
| 03:34.48 | Navi | mmk |
| 03:35.59 | dieman | i just use sandy as a pim through twitter |
| 03:36.16 | Navi | I used google's stuff for a while |
| 03:36.25 | EruditeHermit | gronmayer is down |
| 03:36.25 | Navi | then got lazy with pim and wrote it all down in maemopad+ |
| 03:36.27 | Navi | :P |
| 03:36.39 | dieman | i really like sandy |
| 03:36.56 | dieman | iwantsandy.com |
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| 03:37.51 | Navi | speakers need to mute when plugging in the headphones |
| 03:38.17 | johnx | that's the kind of stuff that dsme handles if it's hooked up to dbus I guess |
| 03:39.26 | Navi | bleh |
| 03:39.45 | Navi | It feels like my brain is melting when I go through the Ubuntu forums |
| 03:40.24 | anothy_lite | i have scratchbox w/ a rootstrap that can build d run things on maemo. no x11 libs or headers, though. how does one add those? |
| 03:41.15 | Grackle | It's probably in an x11-dev package or somesuch |
| 03:41.29 | Navi | Wow |
| 03:41.34 | Navi | there's a lot of crap in alsa-base |
| 03:42.32 | anothy_lite | but none of the rootstraps i've seen have the pkg stuff. |
| 03:43.38 | Grackle | I don't know much about that. I got fed up with setting up scratchbox and just used the vmware appliance. |
| 03:43.54 | anothy_lite | i suppose u could copy the libs from the device, but that doesn't seem right. |
| 03:44.36 | anothy_lite | i tried that earlier today, actyally; dowlnloa link's broken. |
| 03:45.00 | EruditeHermit | anothy_lite: if you add maemo repository, it has a lot of the packages |
| 03:45.00 | anothy_lite | download, too. |
| 03:45.16 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: well yeah i agree that maemo's UI is sadly kludgey |
| 03:45.57 | l7 | why is it so hard to get a decent UI design? |
| 03:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Because decent UI design is hard. |
| 03:46.19 | GeneralAntilles | and means different things to a lot of different people. |
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| 03:46.27 | l7 | do you need someone like steve jobs cracking the whip to make it work? |
| 03:46.33 | l7 | that would be rather unfortunate |
| 03:47.07 | Navi | I don't like the UI on any of the apple hardware |
| 03:47.18 | Navi | s/hardware/products/ |
| 03:47.21 | pupnik | anothy_lite: apt-get whatever you need - the headers are in -dev packages |
| 03:47.23 | Navi | Minus the iPod |
| 03:47.45 | Navi | that patented circle scrolly thing is nice |
| 03:47.47 | l7 | i'm not a huge apple fan either, but i think they do manange to do a few things right |
| 03:48.20 | l7 | yeah the way the circle thing and the ipod touch's screen require less pressure to work is nice |
| 03:48.45 | Navi | well, the touch screen is because of how it's made. I say it's too sensitive :P |
| 03:48.57 | l7 | hmm, personal preference then |
| 03:49.10 | l7 | i find the n800 requires a bit too much effort to make it "click" |
| 03:49.17 | Navi | not to me |
| 03:49.36 | johnx | added a todo section to the Debian wiki: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#TODO |
| 03:49.48 | Navi | looks |
| 03:49.58 | johnx | if you have something that needs to be fixed/improved/added, please put it up |
| 03:50.09 | Navi | I'm a selfish bastard |
| 03:50.11 | Grackle | #TODO.21 |
| 03:50.13 | Navi | no way am I putting it up |
| 03:50.42 | Grackle | Is there any way of getting xset to do that? |
| 03:50.51 | Navi | heh, all three are out of my league |
| 03:50.54 | Grackle | actually, I don't think that's necessary |
| 03:51.03 | johnx | Grackle, the xomap server doesn't support DPMS |
| 03:51.10 | johnx | there's a patch but it needs to be compiled |
| 03:51.32 | Grackle | There's a patch to make it support dpms, or there's a patch to make xset support xomap? |
| 03:51.42 | johnx | patch to make xomap support dpms |
| 03:51.56 | johnx | I should really get unlazy and compile it |
| 03:51.59 | johnx | but not right now |
| 03:52.11 | johnx | need to take a shower and head off to work |
| 03:52.24 | Navi | johnx, aren't you tired? |
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| 03:52.28 | johnx | yeah |
| 03:52.32 | johnx | so it won't be today |
| 03:52.35 | Navi | heh |
| 03:52.35 | Grackle | Head off to work? o.o |
| 03:52.39 | Grackle | Where do you live? |
| 03:52.39 | Navi | damn |
| 03:52.51 | johnx | Japan |
| 03:53.03 | Grackle | oh, ok :P |
| 03:53.17 | johnx | and I work afternoon shift at this job |
| 03:53.24 | ds3 | johnx: so you get all the nice new toys? |
| 03:53.36 | johnx | hahaha...all the nice new toys I can't afford |
| 03:53.41 | Navi | :) |
| 03:53.53 | johnx | nah, the N800 was my last real electronics purchase |
| 03:54.01 | johnx | Japan is a freakin' expensive place to live |
| 03:54.01 | ds3 | akabara(sp?) |
| 03:54.18 | johnx | akihabara has some neat stuff |
| 03:54.25 | Navi | Wonder how well comix runs |
| 03:54.25 | johnx | but ordering online in the US is usually cheaper |
| 03:54.29 | Navi | haven't bothered to check |
| 03:54.47 | ds3 | except for stuff you can't get in the US like the last few Z's |
| 03:54.53 | johnx | true |
| 03:55.02 | johnx | there's a store that had a rack of used Zs |
| 03:55.14 | ds3 | SL6000W's? |
| 03:55.22 | johnx | I don't remember |
| 03:55.37 | johnx | http://flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167911/ |
| 03:56.09 | ds3 | all clam shells :( |
| 03:56.17 | ds3 | and 5xxx's |
| 03:56.29 | Navi | clam shells are alright IMO |
| 03:56.37 | johnx | they get different stuff in from time to time |
| 03:56.52 | johnx | if I'm up there again I'll look for |
| 03:56.53 | Navi | It's a used rack afterall |
| 03:57.11 | ds3 | a SL6000W would be nice... almost like a N800 but with Xscale |
| 03:57.24 | johnx | and without the nice OS2008 |
| 03:57.51 | ds3 | QT isn't too horrible... I think there are more software for the QT stuff then the N800 |
| 03:57.53 | johnx | OS2008 may be weak in areas but it was light years ahead of Sharp's ancient QTopia |
| 03:58.20 | johnx | anyways, off to work now |
| 03:58.23 | johnx | 'later all |
| 03:58.34 | Navi | bye |
| 03:58.36 | Grackle | cya |
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| 04:15.29 | mrlanrat | wow, everyone is leaving.... |
| 04:16.04 | GeneralAntilles | New to IRC, then? |
| 04:17.10 | mrlanrat | this channel, yes. |
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| 04:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's a 200+ person channel, people places to be and lots of timeszones. ;) |
| 04:17.59 | GeneralAntilles | Just wait for the netsplits. |
| 04:18.07 | mrlanrat | yha... |
| 04:18.17 | Grackle | Is this channel really that big? |
| 04:18.21 | Grackle | /names |
| 04:18.21 | Grackle | wow |
| 04:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Not compared to some channels. |
| 04:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | Like, say, #ubuntu. |
| 04:18.37 | mrlanrat | yha, wow |
| 04:18.43 | mrlanrat | 245 ppl |
| 04:18.46 | Grackle | No, but surprisingly large for a rather niche community. |
| 04:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, ITT has about 30k |
| 04:19.11 | KotCzarny | active nicks is ~20-30 |
| 04:19.30 | Grackle | I guess I'm just easily impressed. |
| 04:19.45 | megabyte405 | this channel is a lot more sane compared to #ubuntu |
| 04:19.59 | megabyte405 | #ubuntu is useless since there is no way to follow a threaed of discussion |
| 04:20.23 | megabyte405 | I asked a question, and by the time I remembered to check for an answer my question had already been scrolled _out of my scrollback_ - not just off the screen |
| 04:20.38 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 04:20.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | megabyte405, well, that and other reasons. :P |
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| 04:33.39 | mrlanrat | anybody know when qwerty12 comes online? |
| 04:34.05 | KotCzarny | he lives on gmt+0 |
| 04:34.37 | mrlanrat | ok |
| 04:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.48 | mrlanrat | lol |
| 04:34.56 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 04:35.00 | KotCzarny | school calls |
| 04:35.02 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 04:35.02 | mrlanrat | lol |
| 04:35.23 | mrlanrat | hey, im on IRC during school sometimes. ;) |
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| 04:35.32 | mrlanrat | N810! |
| 04:35.50 | KotCzarny | bad. you should be learning |
| 04:35.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:36.06 | mrlanrat | lol |
| 04:36.28 | mrlanrat | Hey, GeneralAntilles, are you getting my PMs? |
| 04:36.46 | pupnik | is PMS infectious? |
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| 04:37.00 | KotCzarny | pupnik: more like sychronized |
| 04:37.01 | mrlanrat | Personal Messages.... |
| 04:37.19 | pupnik | attempt at humor: epic fail |
| 04:37.20 | KotCzarny | moon, pheromones etc |
| 04:37.39 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 04:37.53 | KotCzarny | looks like i read 20 first chars at most |
| 04:37.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:38.13 | GeneralAntilles | mrlanrat, here or ITT? |
| 04:38.25 | mrlanrat | Here |
| 04:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | You registered? |
| 04:38.34 | mrlanrat | ? |
| 04:38.39 | mrlanrat | no |
| 04:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.50 | mrlanrat | huh? |
| 04:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | Non-registered users can's pm on freenode. |
| 04:38.54 | mrlanrat | o |
| 04:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.57 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 04:39.00 | mrlanrat | so how do i regester? |
| 04:39.03 | KotCzarny | you can turn off that feature |
| 04:39.03 | mrlanrat | ? |
| 04:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.11 | KotCzarny | 'feature' |
| 04:39.15 | GeneralAntilles | Pick your password. |
| 04:39.18 | mrlanrat | k |
| 04:39.24 | summatusmentis | I have a question, less about maemo, and more about the n810 hardware when compared to a Z |
| 04:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | Faster. |
| 04:39.39 | mrlanrat | its 123 so i should do "/msg nickserv register 123"? |
| 04:39.50 | mrlanrat | (im joking) |
| 04:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | Well, no, because everybody would know your password. :P |
| 04:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | is reminded of a bash quote. |
| 04:40.09 | mrlanrat | which one? |
| 04:40.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.bash.org/?244321 |
| 04:40.58 | mrlanrat | ahh |
| 04:41.01 | mrlanrat | i like that one |
| 04:41.35 | summatusmentis | has anyone used a zaurus 3200? I'm considering purchasing an n810, and selling my 3200 |
| 04:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | johnx is really the local Z guy. |
| 04:42.09 | Navi | Yeah |
| 04:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | He just left for work, though. |
| 04:42.23 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 04:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, you could PM him on ITT if you don't want to wait around. |
| 04:44.34 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I don't know what ITT means |
| 04:44.49 | Navi | summatusmentis, internet tablet talk |
| 04:44.59 | Navi | http://www.internettablettalk.com |
| 04:45.05 | summatusmentis | when will he be back? does he IRC from work? |
| 04:45.14 | Navi | no |
| 04:45.24 | summatusmentis | mk, so in like... 8 hours |
| 04:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Less, probably. |
| 04:46.32 | summatusmentis | but not w/in the next hour and a half :) |
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| 05:28.43 | Grackle | Weh. I can't get utelnetd to woik. |
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| 05:30.00 | zenzen | Hi |
| 05:30.17 | zenzen | i have one question and hope that someone could help me with that |
| 05:31.32 | Grackle | Shoot. |
| 05:31.41 | zenzen | Thanks |
| 05:32.24 | zenzen | I need to mount a local directory from my n800 into a another linux system |
| 05:32.57 | GeneralAntilles | sshfs? |
| 05:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | sftp? |
| 05:33.01 | zenzen | I want to make a directory from my n800 shared (used) by another linux system (Router) which has limited memory resources |
| 05:33.20 | zenzen | What i'm doing: i connect to the router using ssh |
| 05:33.48 | zenzen | while i'm on it, i use "mount.cifs //192.168.1.141/share /mnt/share -o username=root" |
| 05:34.14 | zenzen | but i'm getting error |
| 05:34.51 | Grackle | If I were you, I would ssh forward through the router |
| 05:34.58 | Grackle | rather than actually log into it |
| 05:35.06 | Grackle | see ssh -l |
| 05:35.08 | Grackle | but anyway |
| 05:35.15 | Grackle | What error are you getting? |
| 05:35.27 | zenzen | "mount error 146: connection refused" |
| 05:35.32 | Grackle | sorry, ssh -L |
| 05:35.44 | zenzen | the linux system is on the router |
| 05:36.00 | zenzen | the router has a firmware Legend on it |
| 05:36.04 | Grackle | Well, what is the purpose of this? |
| 05:36.11 | zenzen | Ok |
| 05:36.20 | zenzen | my router has 16MB of memory |
| 05:36.35 | zenzen | firmware takes i think 13MB |
| 05:36.51 | zenzen | so, as soon as i excute a programm, its memory is full |
| 05:37.04 | KotCzarny | buy another router |
| 05:37.07 | KotCzarny | seriously |
| 05:37.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:37.10 | zenzen | :D |
| 05:37.19 | KotCzarny | i have wrt54g |
| 05:37.26 | KotCzarny | but i have customized my openwrt |
| 05:37.37 | KotCzarny | so i can run some programs |
| 05:37.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:38.21 | KotCzarny | it has 16mb of mem, and it shows.. |
| 05:38.24 | zenzen | I know it can be done but i prefer to know how to do it, even if i've already hacve another router (wrt54GL) |
| 05:38.38 | zenzen | it shows ...? |
| 05:38.41 | KotCzarny | do what? |
| 05:38.46 | KotCzarny | mount remote dir on it? |
| 05:38.51 | zenzen | yes |
| 05:38.53 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:38.59 | zenzen | mount a directory from n800 into it |
| 05:39.20 | zenzen | i can see shared directories on desktop XP |
| 05:39.21 | KotCzarny | is there a sshfs for your firmware? |
| 05:39.32 | zenzen | i don't know |
| 05:39.34 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:39.46 | zenzen | i've used mount.cifs and it worked with xp |
| 05:39.47 | KotCzarny | if you want to go samba/cifs way |
| 05:39.49 | zenzen | with n800 nothing |
| 05:39.57 | KotCzarny | then you must have server on n800 running |
| 05:40.01 | KotCzarny | ie. samba |
| 05:40.21 | KotCzarny | that's why you get conn. refused |
| 05:40.35 | zenzen | i'm not sur if i'm doing the right thing in my n800. I don't know how to make a directory shared in my n800 and if //192.168.1.141/share point to /home/user/MyDocs/share |
| 05:40.42 | zenzen | Exaclty |
| 05:40.48 | zenzen | How to enbale Samba |
| 05:40.48 | KotCzarny | zenzen: instal samba on n800 |
| 05:40.52 | zenzen | How? |
| 05:40.57 | KotCzarny | find a package |
| 05:40.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:40.58 | zenzen | Where is it? :d i can't find it |
| 05:41.15 | zenzen | They said that samba is included in n800, no? |
| 05:41.21 | KotCzarny | who? |
| 05:41.25 | KotCzarny | not on mine |
| 05:41.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:41.29 | zenzen | they said Buil-in, no? |
| 05:41.42 | KotCzarny | maybe client side software |
| 05:41.43 | zenzen | perhaps i misunderstood some ITT posts |
| 05:41.45 | KotCzarny | but not server |
| 05:41.56 | zenzen | i really can't find samba server |
| 05:42.07 | zenzen | i checked most repositories but nothing |
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| 05:42.20 | zenzen | i found old posts about os2007 but nothing now |
| 05:42.39 | KotCzarny | heh, gronmayer is b0rken |
| 05:42.44 | KotCzarny | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: curl_init() in /var/www/gronmayer.com/htdocs/it/_init/functions.inc.php on line 227 |
| 05:42.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:42.55 | KotCzarny | sorry, can't help more than than |
| 05:42.55 | pupnik | nfs is builtin now |
| 05:42.58 | zenzen | oh yes :D, but i checked using Google cache :D |
| 05:43.00 | mrlanrat | Its been down all day :( |
| 05:43.07 | pupnik | or wait, is it? i forgot |
| 05:43.18 | n800n | anyone here used statua? |
| 05:43.24 | KotCzarny | pupnik: i think you need nfsd module |
| 05:43.31 | KotCzarny | and few others |
| 05:43.36 | KotCzarny | and rpc.portmap |
| 05:43.40 | pupnik | i was using it as client, ignore me |
| 05:43.42 | KotCzarny | and nfsd :> |
| 05:43.56 | KotCzarny | ignore you? never! |
| 05:43.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:44.20 | zenzen | can someone confirm me that there is indeed a samba server package for os2008? Thanks. |
| 05:44.56 | pupnik | zenzen: normally the easiest place to search is gronmayer.com/it |
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| 05:45.21 | zenzen | ok i'll check when it is up, thanks |
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| 05:55.18 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mpoc1X7FzjI german television report on LinuxTag 2007 showing Nokia N800s used as bluetooth controllers for lego robots @ 3:30 |
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| 06:01.24 | n800n | geil |
| 06:01.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hrw, how's mouse support under Debian? |
| 06:02.37 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, false highlight. |
| 06:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | s/Hr/Ho/ |
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| 06:05.43 | Navi | :| |
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| 06:05.52 | Navi | it's fine |
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| 06:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | No plug'n'play. . . . |
| 06:09.12 | Grackle | Hooray, debian sid running on my tablet. :) |
| 06:09.22 | Navi | woo |
| 06:09.23 | Grackle | I was having stupid problems because I put utelnetd in the wrong place. |
| 06:09.46 | Grackle | was looking for it in /usr/sbin, but he had put it in /usr/bin |
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| 06:13.52 | qwerty12 | is going through second install of sdk. Stupid gnome-stones messing up deps :/ |
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| 06:23.36 | Navi | :P |
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| 06:27.53 | qwerty12 | Hater :P |
| 06:34.37 | Stskeeps | Grackle: you did it through debootstrapping manually? |
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| 06:39.08 | RST38h | morning |
| 06:39.19 | qwerty12 | morning |
| 06:40.07 | RST38h | All right, try http://fms.komkon.org/iNES/ines_3.6.0-1_armel.deb |
| 06:40.12 | RST38h | check this |
| 06:40.16 | qwerty12 | w00t, nice :) |
| 06:40.30 | RST38h | not yet released but will be |
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| 06:46.11 | pupnik | ice job RST38h |
| 06:47.48 | qwerty12 | wants to kill brightspark who thought ff 3.0 in Ubuntu 8.04 was a good idea. I'm seriously tempted to use Opera or ie4linux |
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| 06:48.32 | RST38h | thanks pupnik |
| 06:49.01 | RST38h | qwerty: it is a weird choice but what is specifically wrong with it? |
| 06:49.11 | qwerty12 | The random crashes |
| 06:49.41 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, it's a good plan, actually. |
| 06:49.42 | RST38h | does not crash for me although I hate the new history button placement |
| 06:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | The idea was to not have to support version 2 for forever. ;) |
| 06:50.09 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, maybe but I wish they had. |
| 06:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Push to 3 now and have a little short-term pain while it's finalized and save a LOT of longterm pain supporting 2 for forever. |
| 06:50.22 | qwerty12 | Maybe because I'm using pulseaudio :/ |
| 06:50.47 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, when you put it like that, it sounds worthwhile :) |
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| 06:51.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I thought the same thing. ;) |
| 06:52.35 | RST38h | Choice between pain and suffering? =) |
| 06:53.04 | qwerty12 | Dunno, I'm gonna use Opera for the time being. |
| 06:53.20 | qwerty12 | Not really a fan of it but at least it's stable for me. |
| 06:53.42 | qwerty12 | (I hate that it looks like windows too under linux >.<) |
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| 06:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 06:57.36 | qwerty12 | Oh yeah to anyone, does your sound in Debian beta3 work without speaker amplification turned on? |
| 06:58.15 | qwerty12 | It's pretty cool in debian, I can have sound going to the headphones and to the speakers at the same time. Pointless but fun :p |
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| 06:59.46 | Navi | qw:P |
| 06:59.53 | Navi | oh, left |
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| 07:14.05 | mbuf | other than the source maemo-mapper, is there any documentation on how openstreet maps are displayed on the application? |
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| 07:24.52 | zenzen | Hi |
| 07:24.55 | zenzen | it's me again |
| 07:25.03 | zenzen | i just want to say thanks |
| 07:25.20 | zenzen | Actually, i installed the shfs-utils on my router |
| 07:25.40 | zenzen | and instead of mount.cifs i used "shfsmount" to do it. |
| 07:26.15 | zenzen | Everything worked as expected. Thanks again and have a good night. |
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| 08:59.51 | czr | hmm. with RESOLVED FIXED, should I change the status to 'VERIFIED' when I agree that a bug is fixed? |
| 08:59.53 | czr | can't remember. |
| 09:02.03 | kulve | my guess: you should set it to verified when you can verify the fix on some release |
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| 09:02.23 | _berto_ | yes |
| 09:03.42 | proxyvictim | hello cruel world |
| 09:07.18 | aquatix | cruel world says hello to proxyvictim |
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| 09:12.09 | hrw | RST38h: do you know that firefox allow to customize buttons? |
| 09:12.31 | rm_you | johnx: GeneralAntilles: one of you entertain me somehow :P |
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| 09:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | dances. |
| 09:14.07 | rm_you | lol |
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| 09:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you ever find out how Nokia managed their retarded applets? |
| 09:15.30 | rm_you | timeless sent me some interesting Pseudocode... |
| 09:15.52 | rm_you | but not sure i know enough about GTK to figure it out, since the Hildon API is just BLANK on the page about the thing i need |
| 09:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 09:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | Random letters and numbers until it works? |
| 09:17.47 | aquatix | hands rm_you an infinite amount of monkeys and laptops |
| 09:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | Nice that you keep those on hand. |
| 09:18.39 | aquatix | yeah, always come in handy |
| 09:18.45 | aquatix | need a big basement though |
| 09:19.32 | aquatix | so i generally just park them on a space station near the center of our Milky Way and teleport things to and fro |
| 09:19.47 | aquatix | cackles madly and continues working |
| 09:19.49 | rm_you | i wish I had infinate laptops :P |
| 09:19.53 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 09:20.02 | aquatix | shall i dcc you some? |
| 09:20.10 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i can do GTK if i have guides, or even (most importantly) an API to work from |
| 09:20.20 | rm_you | all i need to do is KNOW THE FUNCTIONS I CAN CALL!!! |
| 09:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 09:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | But you don't get to. |
| 09:20.40 | rm_you | kries |
| 09:20.48 | rm_you | timeless: you thar? |
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| 09:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | Also, a prefs dialog would be useful. |
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| 09:34.24 | kulve | lardman: your questions at the wiki doesn have a question :) |
| 09:34.28 | kulve | lardman: at least 2/3 of them |
| 09:34.38 | kulve | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/questionsfornokia/ |
| 09:34.42 | kulve | those questions |
| 09:34.42 | lardman | rm_you: add this to the list of questions |
| 09:34.51 | lardman | kulve:hmm, will have a look |
| 09:35.30 | rm_you | k |
| 09:36.18 | lardman | rm_you: I'm about to edit it though, so hang on a min or two |
| 09:36.47 | trickie_ | dneary: cool, my questions were added and i didn't even send them to you |
| 09:36.51 | dneary | No JackCrow? |
| 09:36.57 | trickie_ | dneary: nice foraging :) |
| 09:37.10 | dneary | trickie_: I picked up questions off the mailing list thread & the IRC chat |
| 09:37.17 | dneary | Navi: Ping? |
| 09:37.20 | trickie_ | yep nice |
| 09:37.26 | dneary | No Morpheuz? |
| 09:37.55 | X-Fade_ | dneary: Morpheuz is in Brazil, so probably not awake yet :) |
| 09:37.57 | trickie_ | dneary: Morpheuz maybe on #canola |
| 09:38.06 | trickie_ | and what X-Fade_ said |
| 09:38.12 | dneary | Will wait |
| 09:38.20 | dneary | Getting organised for the wiki reorg |
| 09:38.31 | dneary | Had a tough time getting a definitive list of all the wiki pages |
| 09:38.46 | lardman | rm_you: all yours |
| 09:38.48 | dneary | Got it now |
| 09:39.10 | dneary | Now I'm looking at the wiki syntax for midgard and mediawiki, see if I can script the migration at all |
| 09:39.40 | dneary | After that, the hard work starts - deleting pages that need to be deleted, or more likely removing them from the pages to migrate |
| 09:39.45 | lardman | Shall we split that page into "status requests" - i.e, drivers, etc. and "why is this software closed questions"? |
| 09:40.00 | dneary | Identify pages that need updating/refreshing, pages that are historical, ... |
| 09:40.02 | X-Fade_ | dneary: Midgard uses Markdown. |
| 09:40.20 | dneary | lardman: I'll leave you to be the judge :) |
| 09:40.22 | GAN800 | I want that open/closed table. |
| 09:40.27 | dneary | Indeed, they're different types of questions |
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| 09:40.57 | lardman | dneary: depends on what's easiest for the Nokians to parse & reply to |
| 09:41.46 | lardman | I'm tempted by a section for software components, preferably with a reason why we want/need it to be open so Nokia have something to judge it on |
| 09:42.23 | dneary | lardman: Go for it, if you think it's a logical separation |
| 09:42.26 | trickie_ | lardman: that sounds useful |
| 09:43.19 | lardman | if someone else wants to do it now go ahead, otherwise I'll do some editing a bit later on |
| 09:43.50 | GAN800 | Is there a package dump that might be usable for something like that? |
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| 09:45.58 | lardman | GAN800: well really people should justify why they want something I think; that will go down better with Nokia |
| 09:46.09 | lardman | GAN800: in which case the list is in your head. |
| 09:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, from a documentation standpoint |
| 09:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | having a list of everything and its open/closed status is useful. |
| 09:46.39 | lardman | there used to be a package list in the sdk dir iirc |
| 09:46.47 | lardman | download dir that is |
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| 09:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | Then work from that to put together a list of the important things that should be opened. |
| 09:48.08 | trickie_ | lardman: i will try and qualify my questions tonight |
| 09:48.53 | lardman | trickie_: ok |
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| 10:01.39 | lardman | X-Fade_: ping |
| 10:02.16 | X-Fade_ | lardman: pong |
| 10:02.35 | lardman | Can people attach themselves to pages, to be notified that a change has been made? |
| 10:03.05 | X-Fade_ | In the wiki, you can.. |
| 10:03.06 | lardman | I've just received a bounced message which I was supposed to have sent to zword@dlfp.org, regarding the changes I just made to the wiki page |
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| 10:04.09 | lardman | strange that the maemo site sends an update from my email address? |
| 10:04.31 | X-Fade_ | Hmm that should not be. |
| 10:04.36 | trickie_ | lardman: i had the same |
| 10:04.52 | lardman | X-Fade_: I can email it to you if you'd like to have a look see |
| 10:04.56 | trickie_ | seems that when i create a new wiki page that address was already 'attached' |
| 10:05.19 | X-Fade_ | trickie_: You can attach to the index, so every new page is mailed to you.. |
| 10:05.44 | lardman | but the notification should still be sent by maemo, not masquerading as me, imo |
| 10:05.59 | X-Fade_ | lardman: I'll try check it out. |
| 10:06.05 | trickie_ | X-Fade_: ah ok, well that address seems to be bouncing everytime at the moment, for every wiki action |
| 10:06.11 | lardman | X-Fade_: thanks |
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| 10:07.55 | trickie_ | no bother to me anyway, as gmail thinks its backscatter spam i think |
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| 10:10.15 | lardman | ok, so regarding the QuestionsForNokia page, how many categories do we want to have? |
| 10:12.58 | RST38h | lardman: One |
| 10:13.06 | RST38h | lardman: Titled "WHY?" |
| 10:13.12 | lardman | :) |
| 10:13.29 | RST38h | Or you may want to have it tiered, 1st tier being "WHY?", 2nd being "WTF?" |
| 10:16.30 | trickie_ | 1. Currently Closed Components, 2. Future Issues/Components, 3. Nokia <-> Community Contact |
| 10:16.32 | trickie_ | ? |
| 10:16.52 | trickie_ | i dunno, i should be working :) i will be around later if i can help |
| 10:17.22 | pupnik_ | community priorities |
| 10:17.32 | pupnik_ | the community is always griping 'nokia this' 'nokia that' |
| 10:18.01 | pupnik_ | imo fwiw |
| 10:18.45 | lardman | pupnik_: yes, which is why having a decent way of asking questions would be useful for both sides |
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| 10:20.21 | lardman | how do I do tiered lists in the wiki? |
| 10:20.28 | pupnik_ | then again i see most productive people are individualist |
| 10:20.39 | pupnik_ | doing the things they want because they want to do them |
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| 10:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | Incentive is a little weak for any other sort of work. ;) |
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| 10:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | You're not getting paid and the love and adoration of the community usually doesn't pan out. |
| 10:23.23 | hrw | can someone change a bit styling of headers iin old maemo wiki? |
| 10:24.00 | lardman | anyone, two layers of bullet points in the wiki? |
| 10:24.17 | GeneralAntilles | I could tell you for mediawiki. :P |
| 10:24.35 | hrw | lardman: try ** |
| 10:25.01 | lardman | tried, not quite what I was after though: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/questionsfornokia/ |
| 10:25.57 | hrw | lardman: headers should be used for that |
| 10:26.07 | hrw | but current maemo wiki styling is ... |
| 10:26.14 | lardman | but the level 1 and 2 headers look identical |
| 10:26.20 | lardman | ah, yes styling is broken |
| 10:26.46 | hrw | someone know when mediawiki will be open for editing? |
| 10:27.06 | lardman | if anyone wants to alter the headings, etc. please do so |
| 10:27.20 | lardman | i.e. change the descriptions, add others, etc. |
| 10:30.51 | hrw | wiki styles block any sensible altering |
| 10:31.48 | hrw | headers are broken, definiton lists too |
| 10:31.52 | lardman | hrw: raise a bug? |
| 10:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Why bother? |
| 10:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | Be like raising a bug on osso-email at this point. :P |
| 10:32.36 | hrw | lardman: I prefer website guys to finish mediawiki instead |
| 10:32.49 | hrw | lardman: whole maemo.org site is insane |
| 10:33.11 | hrw | forced size to 776px instead of xx% etc |
| 10:33.16 | lardman | I'm quite sure they would like some input though |
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| 10:33.36 | lardman | In fact there's that midgard mailing list too |
| 10:34.10 | hrw | with few css tweaks page is more readable but it still ugly is |
| 10:34.33 | FreeNom | re |
| 10:34.37 | X-Fade_ | hrw: Yeah, the font handling is on my TODO list. We really need to fix that.. |
| 10:34.58 | hrw | X-Fade_: also remove 'width:150px' from <dt> |
| 10:35.01 | X-Fade_ | Patches are welcome :) |
| 10:35.14 | hrw | X-Fade_: my patch willb e too intrusive |
| 10:35.58 | lardman | but will still show intent |
| 10:37.09 | lardman | I was hoping for lots of replies to my email ;( |
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| 10:45.00 | GAN800 | Threats of violence tend tend to work well, lardman. ;) |
| 10:46.11 | lardman | ah well, I'll leave those until later on this arvo |
| 10:46.18 | hrw | X-Fade_: http://pastebin.com/d524005ad |
| 10:46.41 | hrw | X-Fade_: should be readable on 800x480 and also on 1680x1050 |
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| 10:48.30 | hrw | not touched h1/h2/h3 |
| 10:49.37 | hrw | font sizes in general are weird on maemo.org |
| 10:50.08 | hrw | <li class="h1"> is sick too |
| 10:51.12 | lardman | heading size could do with tweaking though |
| 10:51.18 | lardman | sizes |
| 10:52.10 | hrw | lardman: 'toc' frame needs smaller font, numbering etc |
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| 11:37.11 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 11:41.36 | lopz | morning |
| 11:41.42 | johnx | mornin' |
| 11:41.49 | lardman | morning |
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| 12:35.15 | lardman | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9448 I'm not going mad, thank goodness |
| 12:35.52 | aquatix | lardman: hey |
| 12:36.04 | lardman | hi aquatix |
| 12:36.08 | aquatix | does that also have to do with the mouse? |
| 12:36.17 | aquatix | i think i noticed something similar on my laptop |
| 12:36.52 | lardman | It appears to be 2 bugs, both of which I suffer from; the repeat until xserver reset is related to holding a key down and using the mouse at the same time |
| 12:39.45 | aquatix | yeah, i've encountered something similar |
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| 12:50.09 | lardman | hmm, do I need to enable the "[Download The Nightly SVN Tree Snapshot]" function in a Garage project? |
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| 12:55.58 | lardman | just that although I have files in svn I can't get a snapshot of them for some reason |
| 12:57.55 | X-Fade_ | lardman: That seems to be disabled. Or at least I get a 404 ;) |
| 12:58.21 | lardman | ok |
| 12:58.39 | X-Fade_ | I'll ask around to get the answer why.. |
| 12:58.50 | lardman | thanks |
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| 13:01.33 | Grackle | Stskeeps: I did the --foreign debootstrap on my laptop, then moved the card to my n800, where I did the --second-stage and a bunch of configuration in a chroot. Installed utelnetd using johnx's instructions from the itt wiki, and it works. :) |
| 13:01.35 | RST38h | double loop with strcmp() inside |
| 13:01.53 | RST38h | waits for any present programmers to throw up |
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| 13:09.28 | lardman | ~lart crc calculations |
| 13:09.28 | infobot | moos at crc calculations |
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| 13:10.35 | Grackle | Heh RST38h, I kind of ignored that, but that does indeed sound awful. |
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| 13:13.05 | lardman | likes the low complexity of the low complexity sub band encoder |
| 13:14.41 | RST38h | lardman: Out = (In[0]>>6)+((In[1]>>6)<<2)+((In[2]>>6)<<4)+... ? |
| 13:15.26 | lardman | unfortunately not quite that simple :) |
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| 13:16.12 | hrw | RST38h: ((In[0]>>6)<<0) you mean? |
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| 13:22.14 | lardman | nice that there's very little in terms of 8bit chars :) |
| 13:22.31 | lardman | other than the acursed crc calculations ;) |
| 13:23.49 | lardman | drat, long long is used though |
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| 13:30.09 | gnuton | Hi |
| 13:30.17 | SDuensin | Greetings. |
| 13:30.37 | _berto_ | GeneralAntilles: vagalume in maemo-extras at last ;) |
| 13:30.39 | gnuton | which package contains dpkg-preconfigure on 4.1 sdk? Can anyone run a dpkg -S dpkg-preconfigure ? Thanks |
| 13:31.07 | SDuensin | really needs to get his Maemo dev stuff set back up. <sigh> |
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| 13:34.11 | RST38h | hrw: Cut byte to two upper bits |
| 13:34.38 | RST38h | hrw: so that you essentially "compress" 4 bytes into one |
| 13:35.11 | RST38h | [of course, ignoring the minor issue of losing 25% precision] |
| 13:35.58 | gnuton | Does anyone run 'dpkg -S dpkg-preconfigure' on his sdk environment? i can't install my sdk env without it! |
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| 14:00.39 | Grackle | Haha, fanoush on N800 CPU speed in OS2007: "Yes, it is fixed (or variable if one insists) as in "any out of two possible values - 330 and 0" :-)" |
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| 14:19.06 | dneary | JackCrow: Ping? |
| 14:19.54 | dneary | Navi: Ping? |
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| 14:26.34 | jdiaz | I have to check latest vagalume |
| 14:26.49 | jdiaz | and I suppose I should add d-bus support to wiicontrol |
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| 14:28.46 | _berto_ | jdiaz: yes! :) |
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| 14:30.02 | X-Fade_ | _berto_: I'll try to find out what went wrong with your autobuild.. |
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| 14:32.11 | dneary | X-Fade_: I'm making headway on the migration question |
| 14:32.11 | _berto_ | did it break ? |
| 14:32.12 | dneary | Have a manual way to adjust formating, but it doesn't always work properly |
| 14:32.16 | _berto_ | probably the lack of build-depends :) |
| 14:32.19 | dneary | Using pandoc and html2wiki |
| 14:32.31 | dneary | But it's slow |
| 14:32.39 | dneary | For one page, you spend 10 or 15 minutes |
| 14:32.55 | dneary | We should try to do a mass dump of wiki pages if possible |
| 14:33.01 | X-Fade_ | _berto_: Yeah, I guess so. But i'll find out.. |
| 14:33.02 | dneary | And a mass conversion + import |
| 14:33.09 | _berto_ | thx |
| 14:33.18 | X-Fade_ | dneary: That sounds like a plan? :) |
| 14:33.20 | dneary | In the meantime, I think we'll get started with reviewing the wiki content |
| 14:33.40 | dneary | The mass conversion should be easy once I have a dump |
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| 14:33.46 | dneary | The import, I don't know how that'll work |
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| 14:52.49 | Navi | dneary, pong |
| 14:53.03 | qwerty12 | ping |
| 14:53.19 | cjohnson | I'm trying to make a symlink, so that /home actually points to /extfs/home, I tried "ln -s /extfs/home /home" only for some reason when I go into /home there's another home folder, which is the actual folder |
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| 14:53.34 | dneary | Navi: Hi there |
| 14:53.50 | dneary | I've started working on a plan for migrating the wikis |
| 14:53.52 | derf | cjohnson: That's the way ln works when the target is an existing directory. |
| 14:53.55 | qwerty12 | ln -s /extfs/home / |
| 14:54.01 | dneary | Right now it's a mess, with a big manual process for each page |
| 14:54.17 | dneary | We're trying (with Niels) to help automate as much of it as possible |
| 14:54.32 | Navi | mmk |
| 14:54.40 | dneary | But it turns out that changing from markdown to mediawiki syntax isn't as straightforward as I thought it would be |
| 14:54.40 | cjohnson | qwerty12, same result, I end up with home within home |
| 14:55.03 | qwerty12 | derf is probably right then |
| 14:55.04 | cjohnson | derf, so how might I link my physical folder "/extfs/home" to a folder "/home" ? |
| 14:55.09 | dneary | So, I've decided that we should review the wiki content first, and make the migration a braindead dump & load, if at all possible |
| 14:55.18 | derf | You need to get the existing directory out of the way, first. |
| 14:55.18 | dneary | Are you still willing to help? |
| 14:55.30 | cjohnson | derf, i did, /home doesn't exist |
| 14:55.34 | cjohnson | derf, I renamed it to home-bak |
| 14:56.15 | qwerty12 | I'd just try emelfm2. Works when cmd line tools doesn't. |
| 14:56.28 | derf | Then qwerty12's suggestion should have worked. |
| 14:57.13 | Navi | dneary, sure |
| 14:57.18 | derf | You can also try stick a -T in front of the target, but I can't see why that would matter if it doesn't exist. |
| 14:58.28 | cjohnson | ah, i'm retarded |
| 14:58.37 | dneary | Navi: Rocks! |
| 14:58.48 | cjohnson | i somehow ended up making it /extfs/home/home/user instead of /extfs/home/user |
| 14:59.03 | Navi | dneary, just tell me what you want me to do |
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| 14:59.37 | dneary | First thing we need to do is go through https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ and fill out the various sections |
| 14:59.55 | dneary | (pages to delete, pages that need updating, pages that can be archived as historical data) |
| 15:00.22 | dneary | The (almost) complete list of pages in the wiki is here: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikipagelist/ |
| 15:01.26 | Navi | kk |
| 15:02.06 | cjohnson | How can I do a commandline compare folders |
| 15:02.20 | cjohnson | I copied /var to /extfs/var and I want to make sure it's the exact same |
| 15:02.42 | Grackle | Well that was dumb. *dragged the wiki toolbar out of his firefox window and now he can't click on it* |
| 15:02.54 | trickie_ | cjohnson: use rsync |
| 15:03.05 | Grackle | It's out of the rendered area... And fixed there. >.< |
| 15:03.49 | Navi | bleh |
| 15:03.55 | Navi | I don't remember my maemo password |
| 15:03.57 | cjohnson | trickie_, rsync isn't on maemo |
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| 15:04.05 | jdiaz | cjohnson, you can ls > /tmp/list on both directories |
| 15:04.10 | jdiaz | and then diff the lists |
| 15:04.12 | qwerty12 | cjohnson, it can be found |
| 15:04.40 | jdiaz | if all you want is to compare filenames, that is |
| 15:04.54 | trickie_ | cjohnson: its around somewhere im sure, and it will ensure that all files and dirs and attributes are correctly 'replicated' |
| 15:05.14 | cjohnson | trickie_, found it, apt-get install ftw :D |
| 15:05.24 | trickie_ | cool |
| 15:05.30 | cjohnson | trickie_, just to make sure i'm understanding properly |
| 15:05.32 | X-Fade_ | Navi: https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php |
| 15:05.34 | cjohnson | rsync /var /extfs/var |
| 15:05.43 | cjohnson | is that correct to replicate /var to /extfs/var? |
| 15:05.57 | trickie_ | cjohnson: id read the man page for rsync |
| 15:06.14 | trickie_ | you probably want -a also |
| 15:06.19 | Navi | Thanks X-Fade_ |
| 15:06.21 | trickie_ | i thinks that the option |
| 15:07.35 | sp3000 | E: Couldn't find package ftw |
| 15:07.37 | sp3000 | :( |
| 15:07.47 | jdiaz | also: |
| 15:07.48 | sp3000 | if only it were that easy |
| 15:07.51 | Grackle | You probably want to increase verbosity as well, rsync by default is not very verbose. |
| 15:07.54 | trickie_ | cjohnson: rsync -av /var /extfs/ |
| 15:08.15 | trickie_ | but read the man page as trailing slash on the src means somethign diff |
| 15:08.18 | jdiaz | (cd /var; tar cf - )| (cd /extfs/var; tar xf -) |
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| 15:08.55 | cjohnson | trickie_, thanks :D |
| 15:09.23 | trickie_ | np |
| 15:09.29 | ||cw | --progress is a handy rsync option |
| 15:09.29 | jdiaz | this also should work: (cd /var; tar cf - *)| (cd /extfs/var; tar xf -) |
| 15:09.47 | trickie_ | jdiaz: you probably also want to use the -p option to preserve all attributes |
| 15:09.55 | trickie_ | for a dir like var |
| 15:09.56 | ||cw | -a includes -p |
| 15:09.56 | trickie_ | but yeah |
| 15:09.59 | jdiaz | oh yes |
| 15:10.13 | trickie_ | ||cw: well he used neither |
| 15:10.19 | ||cw | as well as others, like copy links and device files |
| 15:10.29 | trickie_ | yup |
| 15:10.39 | ||cw | but oddly, not acl's |
| 15:11.49 | jdiaz | cjohnson, you can also use tar to finnd differences among directories |
| 15:12.04 | cjohnson | jdiaz, I was mostly aiming for replicating a directory |
| 15:12.13 | cjohnson | jdiaz, but how might I use tar to do that? |
| 15:12.19 | cjohnson | jdiaz, for future reference |
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| 15:13.55 | trickie_ | jdiaz: rsync -n will be faster i think |
| 15:14.09 | trickie_ | which would just show what it would do |
| 15:14.32 | jdiaz | tri, I'm assuming that rsync is not available :-) |
| 15:14.38 | trickie_ | :) |
| 15:14.42 | cjohnson | jdiaz, it is |
| 15:14.47 | cjohnson | apt-get install rsync |
| 15:14.54 | cjohnson | and i'm sure it's available on my ubuntu desktop |
| 15:14.58 | jdiaz | then, better use rsync |
| 15:15.05 | cjohnson | alright then |
| 15:16.00 | Navi | :/ |
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| 15:18.03 | lardman | another auto-start question |
| 15:18.05 | lardman | ! |
| 15:18.21 | cjohnson | so here's what I've done, wondering if you guys have any thoughts about it as far as good or bad |
| 15:18.37 | lardman | Probably deserves pride of place, along side how to open a browser at a given site, on the front page of maemo.org in big red letters |
| 15:18.57 | cjohnson | I partitioned my internal memory card as 512MB VFAT, and 1.5GB EXT2 |
| 15:19.09 | cjohnson | then I just copied /home and /var to the EXT2 partition |
| 15:19.53 | Navi | Wow |
| 15:20.02 | Navi | Didn't know the username was case sensitive :/ |
| 15:20.22 | cjohnson | and now made a symlink from /extfs/var to /var (after copying /var to /extfs/var |
| 15:20.38 | cjohnson | can you guys think of anything that might cause a problem? |
| 15:20.54 | tank-man | what are you doing? booting from mmc ? |
| 15:21.33 | fysa | just running var and home from ext2? |
| 15:21.53 | cjohnson | I'm booting normally |
| 15:22.04 | cjohnson | all I've done is move my /var and /home dirs to the ext2 partition and symlink back |
| 15:22.05 | fysa | I'm not positive that maemo respects fstab, so make sure you are mounting these from rc.local or something. |
| 15:22.19 | fysa | oh, I see. |
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| 15:22.52 | cjohnson | I'm just trying to get the majority of the large storage folders off the internal memory |
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| 15:23.06 | cjohnson | I'm thinking /opt and /usr as well, and just leave the rest on disk |
| 15:23.13 | fysa | I would have just mounted the /media/mmc2/home to /home probably. never tried symlinkg home or var. |
| 15:23.39 | cjohnson | I was going to do mounting but my friend said that symlink is a low level, and I may have better results |
| 15:24.03 | cjohnson | and I'm not too knowledgeable about the under the hood of mounting and symlinks and the like |
| 15:25.38 | tank-man | why not have the root filesystem on the mmc? |
| 15:25.49 | tank-man | and boot from it |
| 15:26.08 | lardman | why are you moving it at all? out of space? |
| 15:26.37 | cjohnson | I'm moving for more storage |
| 15:26.49 | cjohnson | I have 2 sd slots and other than OS I don't plan on having much kept |
| 15:26.51 | lardman | but do you not have enough, or just think you need more? |
| 15:26.55 | cjohnson | so I want to use the internal to extend the internal |
| 15:26.59 | cjohnson | I don't have enough |
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| 15:27.06 | lardman | fair enough |
| 15:27.23 | lardman | is unionfs working yet? |
| 15:27.46 | qwerty12 | Nah, cant be arsed to work on it. |
| 15:27.51 | Navi | heh |
| 15:27.56 | lardman | :) |
| 15:28.04 | lardman | would solve these sorts of problems though |
| 15:28.25 | qwerty12 | The unionfs module actually works, it's just the mmc-unionfs scripts and startup stuff is odd :) |
| 15:28.28 | ricko73 | we'll see how this behaves when in my car, but with the n810 sitting on my desk, facing the window, I have 4 or 5 sat's locked in with the internal gps |
| 15:28.32 | cjohnson | tank-man, No particular reason not to move the root filesystem, is it much harder than my current setup? |
| 15:28.50 | tank-man | i thikn its much easier |
| 15:28.53 | ricko73 | qwerty12: are you using unionfs or aufs? |
| 15:28.56 | qwerty12 | remembers doing a unionfs on /home/user segfaulted my N800, hehe |
| 15:29.00 | qwerty12 | ricko73, none |
| 15:29.10 | cjohnson | tank-man, This is pretty easy to me. rsync the originating folder to the new one, then symlink back |
| 15:29.25 | ricko73 | If there is any plan to include or attempt to use one or the other, I would strongly suggest aufs over unionfs |
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| 15:29.55 | tank-man | booting from mmc is about the same steps, clone / to the mmc and then run the initfs_flash program to make it boot from mmc |
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| 15:30.28 | qwerty12 | ricko73, hmm. Good point. I didn't know about that when I did a bad port of mmc-unionfs to OS2008 N800 2.6.21 kernel. |
| 15:30.29 | cjohnson | How long can I expect, realistically, the internal flash to last as far as read/writes |
| 15:30.59 | tank-man | probably long enough to not worry about it |
| 15:31.20 | ricko73 | as long as log files aren't written to it, you shouldn't have to worry about it |
| 15:32.27 | qwerty12 | Aii, gronmayer is down ! |
| 15:33.55 | lardman | cjohnson: at least 100,000 cycles per block |
| 15:34.12 | lardman | probably far more now, as that was the spec for the Zaurus sl5500 |
| 15:34.18 | cjohnson | Which would translate to how long, time-wise, roughly? |
| 15:34.33 | lardman | depends on how much free space you have |
| 15:34.45 | cjohnson | before i started moving files to the mmc, about 64 megs |
| 15:34.57 | lardman | as that will concentrate wear on those blocks, unless jffs2 is more intelligent than I give it credit for |
| 15:35.21 | lardman | so assume the wear leveling works perfectly, and you only get one write per block per 64Mb written |
| 15:35.21 | Navi | qwerty12, was down yesterday night too |
| 15:35.24 | Navi | johnx, ping |
| 15:35.49 | lardman | cjohnson: lots of small files will increase the wear rate as the blocks are usually largish |
| 15:35.53 | cjohnson | Would an MMC card last roughly as long? I don't mind moving all the read/writes to the MMC, and just getting a new one when the current one wears out, as long as it's a whole lot shorter life span |
| 15:35.54 | qwerty12 | Navi, Hmm, I actually decided to get some sleep y/day :/ |
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| 15:36.27 | lardman | cjohnson: your device will be in a museum before you need to worry about it |
| 15:36.33 | Navi | qwerty12, :) |
| 15:36.43 | cjohnson | Awesome :D |
| 15:36.47 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:37.19 | lardman | cjohnson: just thinnk about it, you could write 64Mb to that space repeatedly 100 times a day for ~3 years |
| 15:37.58 | lardman | or 3 times a day for 100 years, which sounds better :) |
| 15:37.59 | cjohnson | I'm a poor college student, 3 years isn't a long time between upgrades :P |
| 15:38.26 | qwerty12 | is compiling synaptic again. Since I have diablo and newer apt. It should work. But I have a feeling I may have to modify mmap patch for synaptic. |
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| 15:38.51 | lardman | cjohnson: I wouldn't worry; not worth the hassle of moving things piecemeal |
| 15:39.02 | cjohnson | piecemeal? I've never heard the term |
| 15:39.11 | lardman | cjohnson: bit by bit |
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| 15:39.34 | cjohnson | Alright. Thanks for the advice :D |
| 15:40.02 | lardman | cjohnson: run the whole system from an SD card if you must (but it's laggy imo) |
| 15:40.09 | lardman | np |
| 15:40.30 | cjohnson | I'll just stick with internal and expand to SD for the larger folders |
| 15:42.15 | tank-man | laggy? |
| 15:42.24 | fysa | lardman, SD slower than internal flash? |
| 15:42.34 | fysa | do you have benchmarks of the internal flash? |
| 15:43.09 | lardman | fysa: no, but the system feels slow |
| 15:43.16 | tank-man | benchmarks will wear it out faster ! ;) |
| 15:43.18 | lardman | fysa: just a subjective impression |
| 15:43.19 | fysa | using updated kernel? |
| 15:43.28 | lardman | fysa: no |
| 15:43.54 | tank-man | it feels faster booting from mmc cause filesystem isnt compressed |
| 15:45.35 | fysa | hmm, my pastebin URLs didn't get logged for some reason |
| 15:46.33 | fysa | http://pastebin.com/f699c99 |
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| 15:47.06 | fysa | bonnie against N800 with 48MHz MMC patch, Transcend 8GB Class 6 SDHC and 16GB Class 6 SDHC. (the 8 is twice as fast) |
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| 15:47.36 | fysa | that is with vfat only. |
| 15:47.41 | fysa | still need to test with ext2.. |
| 15:48.19 | fysa | have not benchmarked internal flash, but believe this 8GB card would be favorable against it. |
| 15:49.00 | fysa | and have not tried without the MMC speed patch. |
| 15:49.57 | qwerty12 | If you run linux, you could /boot/ not flash using standard kernel. |
| 15:51.49 | lardman | fysa: yes, I imagine things are probably significantly better now |
| 15:52.09 | lardman | fysa: as long as the card doesn't go tits up |
| 15:52.11 | lardman | :) |
| 15:52.32 | cjohnson | mmc speed patch? |
| 15:52.34 | fysa | rsyncd is on my list. ;) |
| 15:52.55 | qwerty12 | cjohnson, check fanoush's website |
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| 15:54.23 | cjohnson | thanks |
| 15:56.59 | cjohnson | crap |
| 15:57.07 | cjohnson | rsync doesn't copy permissions? |
| 15:57.24 | ||cw | cjohnson: -p, or -a |
| 15:57.30 | cjohnson | I did -a |
| 15:57.34 | ||cw | fat32? |
| 15:57.38 | cjohnson | ext2 |
| 15:57.43 | cjohnson | crap crap crap |
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| 15:57.56 | ||cw | it does for me |
| 15:58.12 | ||cw | maybe you have a cut down version? |
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| 15:59.18 | cjohnson | I did apt-get install rsync |
| 15:59.59 | cjohnson | I dunno, here's what happened. I copied /var and /home to my MMC ext2 partition, then renamed the originals and symlinked the MMC one in place of the other |
| 16:00.00 | cjohnson | so |
| 16:00.35 | cjohnson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.53 | cjohnson | only I just tried to get on the device and like all the theming and wallpaper are no longer there |
| 16:01.47 | cjohnson | I just chown'ed and chmod'ed my /home dir back to normal, but the skins aren't working properly |
| 16:01.52 | cjohnson | so I'm imagining /var is messed up |
| 16:02.26 | cjohnson | I'm gonna reboot and see if that fixes |
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| 16:05.26 | cjohnson | hm, that did it |
| 16:06.49 | summatusmentis | johnx: are you around? |
| 16:09.42 | brlancer | I've recorded something in iLBC format on my n770 and need to convert it to soemthing more universal; can anyone recommend a *nix utility to do the conversion? |
| 16:12.15 | Navi | summatusmentis, what do you need? |
| 16:12.37 | qwerty12 | johnx wisdom'? :P (joke) |
| 16:12.56 | summatusmentis | Navi: I was told that johnx was the resident Z guy here, and I've got some questions regarding n810 vs. Z |
| 16:13.06 | Navi | Ah, right |
| 16:13.12 | Navi | You missed him a few hours ago |
| 16:13.33 | summatusmentis | I was sleeping a few hours ago :) |
| 16:13.44 | qwerty12 | was in school a few hours ago |
| 16:13.45 | hrw | summatusmentis: what kind of questions? |
| 16:14.08 | summatusmentis | mostly comparisons regarding the n810 vs the 3200 |
| 16:14.13 | hrw | ah |
| 16:14.22 | hrw | I only had c3000 for short time |
| 16:15.06 | summatusmentis | you've stopped using Zs altogether, right hrw ? |
| 16:15.23 | qwerty12 | N8*0 ftw |
| 16:15.37 | qwerty12 | (I'm the resident idiot :P) |
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| 16:16.06 | summatusmentis | lol, ok :) |
| 16:16.39 | hrw | summatusmentis: yes - I stopped |
| 16:16.48 | hrw | summatusmentis: my c7x0 is in a bad state |
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| 16:17.21 | summatusmentis | hrw: iirc I read your blog post about it |
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| 16:22.44 | summatusmentis | hrw: do you use a nokia tablet the same way you used your Z? |
| 16:23.00 | hrw | hard to tell |
| 16:23.24 | hrw | nokia tablets lack any pim which I would like to use |
| 16:23.24 | Cptnodegard | wtf is a Z? |
| 16:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | Zaurus |
| 16:23.25 | hrw | Cptnodegard: zaurus |
| 16:23.50 | GeneralAntilles | This soft poweroff bug is a little ridiculous. |
| 16:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | Just ship the goddamn fix. :\ |
| 16:24.02 | hrw | summatusmentis: pimlico dates 0.4.x is too simple, libjana based Dates is openmoko only. |
| 16:24.17 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Or rather the source :/ |
| 16:24.19 | hrw | summatusmentis: gpe pim does not use same contacts base as nokia one |
| 16:24.37 | hrw | and nokia contacts app is more limited then my phone one |
| 16:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, we all know that wont happen in any of our lifetimes. :P |
| 16:24.58 | hrw | summatusmentis: my phone can use 2MPix pictures in contacts - maemo ver does not |
| 16:25.03 | qwerty12 | Hehe true, I wonder how Austin made powerlaunch... |
| 16:25.08 | summatusmentis | and it's a different build system than OE, iirc. |
| 16:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | The fix has been made, they're just not shipping it because it's "unsupported" |
| 16:25.43 | qwerty12 | Idiots. |
| 16:25.51 | qwerty12 | (I mean Nokia :P) |
| 16:25.53 | hrw | summatusmentis: that does not matter. |
| 16:25.54 | summatusmentis | how extendable is maemo? Can I get a terminal, ssh, web/email(thunderbird, ideally), office programs? |
| 16:26.09 | hrw | summatusmentis: as long as sources are provided OE can build maemo apps |
| 16:26.36 | summatusmentis | hrw: I see |
| 16:27.13 | hrw | summatusmentis: terminal, abiword, gnumeric are present |
| 16:27.38 | hrw | summatusmentis: web browsers better then internal one are also present. no idea about thunderbird |
| 16:28.07 | summatusmentis | do the web browsers work? that is one of my biggest issues on my Z right now |
| 16:29.05 | hrw | summatusmentis: it is *internet* tablet |
| 16:29.10 | qwerty12 | :/ |
| 16:29.19 | hrw | summatusmentis: at least nokia provided one (microb) works |
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| 16:29.27 | hrw | summatusmentis: it is not rocket but works |
| 16:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, there are no browsers better than the built-in one available. :\ |
| 16:30.11 | summatusmentis | hrw: that's true. Fair enough |
| 16:30.26 | qwerty12 | Fennec - How well does that work? |
| 16:30.34 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, LIES. links FTW |
| 16:30.36 | qwerty12 | :P |
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| 16:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | Well, OK, if you throw in console stuff. |
| 16:30.55 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm joking. Links sux :p |
| 16:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | But fennec/minefield is broken as shit, as is WebKit right now. |
| 16:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, they're going to get better, but right now, they really don't hold a candle to MicroB as far as usability goes. |
| 16:31.28 | lcdd | microb tends to crash on me like netscape back in the day. don't remember it if did that on a clean system |
| 16:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hasn't crashed on me in a long while. |
| 16:32.04 | qwerty12 | :/ |
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| 16:32.08 | lardman | re |
| 16:32.15 | qwerty12 | hi |
| 16:32.21 | lardman | hey qwerty12 |
| 16:32.47 | qwerty12 | It is guaranteed I get at least 1 crash everyday in microb. |
| 16:32.51 | qwerty12 | lardman, :) |
| 16:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | Site preferences have a lot to do with it |
| 16:33.05 | ricko73 | qwerty12: I got more crashes on the original firmware than the latest |
| 16:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | Also, I suspect your insane plugin count doesn't help, qwerty12. |
| 16:33.24 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, all clean now :) |
| 16:33.35 | lardman | I find it too slow to use really |
| 16:33.37 | lardman | shame |
| 16:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB/ |
| 16:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | You're kidding. |
| 16:33.54 | qwerty12 | ricko73, Stock chinook is buggy as shit. SVN was great. Diablo isn't great either. |
| 16:34.03 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo isn't finalized. |
| 16:34.03 | lardman | no, just lots of waiting; annoys me |
| 16:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's better than any other web browser I've ever stuck in my pocket. |
| 16:34.25 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, true. But a SVN would have been nice. |
| 16:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | You want blazing fast, carry around a Core 2 laptop. :P |
| 16:34.41 | qwerty12 | still <3's NetFront on my PPC. |
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| 16:34.51 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: any firefox 3b5 based sould be faster then microb |
| 16:34.55 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, the best browser I've ever stuck in my pocket up 'till now is the PSP browser :D |
| 16:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, well duh. :P |
| 16:35.17 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: most of the time I'm within 2 min walk of a Core2 desktop, so perhaps that's why I don't use it much |
| 16:35.30 | qwerty12 | Navi, PSP browser sux :P. I hate my PSP for web browsing. |
| 16:35.35 | Navi | It's fun |
| 16:35.37 | Navi | :P |
| 16:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | But the frontends on all the 3b5 stuff are all either crashy as hell or slow as hell. |
| 16:36.19 | qwerty12 | Navi, Input is great, I prefer it to my N800 on that score but memory sucks. Should sell it and get a slim and lite. But I need to make pandora battery first :p |
| 16:36.19 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I browse with mine all the time within spitting distance of my G5 powerhouse. :P |
| 16:36.38 | summatusmentis | I know this is the maemo channel, are there alternate 'roms' for the N8*0 series? |
| 16:36.50 | qwerty12 | Poky off the top of my head |
| 16:36.53 | qwerty12 | Debian |
| 16:36.53 | Navi | qwerty12, I'm comfortable enough to bust open the batteries and mod them myself. |
| 16:36.56 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: You're more tolerant then; dare I say it, I prefer my gf's iPod touch for web browsing |
| 16:37.02 | hrw | summatusmentis: s/roms/distros and then we can talk |
| 16:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 16:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | The iPhone pisses me off when browsing. |
| 16:37.15 | qwerty12 | Navi, my electronic skills suckzors. |
| 16:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's no faster than MicroB |
| 16:37.17 | Navi | iPhone = crash |
| 16:37.26 | summatusmentis | hrw: ah yes, sorry. are there alternate distros for the N8*0 series? |
| 16:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | and the spacebar is in the wrong place. :\ |
| 16:37.37 | Navi | Hey look guys, I can go to GOO... wait, Safari crashed |
| 16:37.50 | qwerty12 | Tell me what goes after GOO! |
| 16:37.51 | hrw | summatusmentis: thx to nokia there is no alternative distro for nokia tablets |
| 16:37.51 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: probably not, but the random delays between rendering and accepting input in microb drive me scatty |
| 16:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | The lower resolution is also a huge pain. |
| 16:37.54 | Navi | Okay, I got on Goog... it crashed again. |
| 16:37.59 | qwerty12 | MOAR |
| 16:38.04 | qwerty12 | I need more letters |
| 16:38.07 | summatusmentis | hrw: hardware lockout? |
| 16:38.15 | Navi | WOO, Google loaded! |
| 16:38.19 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Closed source components |
| 16:38.23 | lardman | ipod keyboard is very very crap though |
| 16:38.25 | hrw | summatusmentis: the ones that exists lack features (Poky) or use maemo as base (Debian rootfs) |
| 16:38.26 | qwerty12 | Navi, thats all it was :( :P |
| 16:38.31 | Navi | >_> |
| 16:38.41 | hrw | summatusmentis: closed battery/wifi support |
| 16:38.50 | summatusmentis | :-/ sadface |
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| 16:38.55 | Navi | Who's using Debian rootfs? |
| 16:39.08 | hrw | Navi: no idea - but there are people which use it |
| 16:39.18 | summatusmentis | what is mamona? |
| 16:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | Completely open source replacement for maemo. |
| 16:39.36 | Navi | summatusmentis, project that wants to be a fully open |
| 16:39.37 | lardman | OE/Poky based distro, but not sure if it actually runs |
| 16:39.48 | hrw | summatusmentis: mamona is OE based distro for tablets |
| 16:39.51 | summatusmentis | I see, so not usable, if even runnable |
| 16:40.06 | Navi | It runs, I think |
| 16:40.13 | lardman | does it sit ontop of the initfs? If so it should be usable at least |
| 16:40.14 | Navi | There have been videos |
| 16:40.20 | hrw | summatusmentis: same limits apply like in other distros (use maemo or lack features) |
| 16:40.44 | summatusmentis | are there software repos for maemo? |
| 16:40.55 | lardman | hrw: have you seen the posts about the internals of bme? |
| 16:40.58 | Navi | If wifi and power management were open, we'd be set on a lot of things :( |
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| 16:41.37 | summatusmentis | and presumably neither of those will open up anytime soon |
| 16:41.41 | lardman | is wifi still not a binary blob+wrapper? |
| 16:41.56 | hrw | lardman: no time ;( |
| 16:42.10 | qwerty12 | Wimax edition won't help (moar security) . Look in diablo initfs (if you can't be arsed to extract, I've got a tarball) |
| 16:42.17 | hrw | lardman: for 2.6.16-2.6.21 we can make umac.ko ->binary blog |
| 16:42.24 | hrw | lardman: for 2.6.25 it does not work anymore |
| 16:42.27 | Navi | ZOMG VIRUZES |
| 16:42.42 | Blastur | hey! i just got my n810.. man its nice! it even managed to pair with my phone and connect to the internet.. i've been trying to do this myself using a PC for a week now, without any success.. the n810 did it automatically ;-) |
| 16:42.51 | qwerty12 | Hehe nice :) |
| 16:43.04 | Blastur | i got some questions though.. can i use the mail client for SSL imap4? |
| 16:43.19 | lardman | hrw: looks dangerous the bme stuff |
| 16:43.40 | konttori | Blastur: yeah, nokia knows connectivity |
| 16:44.06 | lardman | hrw: you going to LinuxTag? |
| 16:44.18 | qwerty12 | konttori, the irony if they didn't... |
| 16:44.18 | konttori | will be going to linuxtag as well |
| 16:44.24 | konttori | true |
| 16:44.28 | summatusmentis | integrated GPS? I didn't know that |
| 16:44.41 | summatusmentis | does it need a net connection for the GPS to work? presumably not |
| 16:44.49 | trickie | lardman: my thoughts exactly |
| 16:45.19 | cjohnson | Alright guys, small problem now. When I go to the lock screen (by pressing the power button once) it's not themed |
| 16:45.21 | lardman | konttori: helps to go to present hey ;) |
| 16:45.24 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Nay. Although GPS perf sucks. Planned A-GPS upgrade will need phone afaik. |
| 16:45.25 | hrw | lardman: plan to |
| 16:45.30 | cjohnson | whereas the rest of the OS is themed |
| 16:45.34 | cjohnson | any clue why that may be? |
| 16:45.39 | lardman | trickie: with a few spare devices I might play; but I wouldn't want to write my one and only off |
| 16:45.55 | summatusmentis | hrw: have you used an n810? how's the keyboard in comparison to a 3x00 series? |
| 16:45.58 | lardman | hrw: cool, will have to buy you a beer or two |
| 16:46.01 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: GPS perf? |
| 16:46.04 | trickie | lardman: yes, i am umming and arrring about fiddling |
| 16:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, word is that you'll be able to supply the "A" part by tapping your location on a world map if you have an internet connection. |
| 16:46.11 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, GPS performance. |
| 16:46.21 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Ahh |
| 16:46.38 | trickie | lardman: id really like to get battery charging working for my 2.6.25-omap+mamona system |
| 16:46.41 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows if that'll hit a release, though. |
| 16:46.47 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: like, unusable sucks? or just not wonderful |
| 16:46.56 | konttori | lardman: what will you present there? |
| 16:46.57 | qwerty12 | I need to try and file my first bugzilla or vote for the existing one. |
| 16:47.01 | trickie | lardman: ATM i boot staright to mmc, and then chroot to initfs to start bme |
| 16:47.03 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, takes ages to get lock. |
| 16:47.09 | trickie | lardman: but it doesn't charge the battery |
| 16:47.13 | GeneralAntilles | Depends, summatusmentis, lot of people use it just fine, others have issues getting a lock at all. |
| 16:47.22 | lardman | trickie: good luck! :) |
| 16:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | Startup is the real problem, it's OK once it gets locked. |
| 16:47.39 | qwerty12 | I'm a pessimist so I presume most people have lock problems. |
| 16:47.56 | summatusmentis | ok, but generally usable |
| 16:47.59 | trickie | lardman: ta, don't think ill get far without more documentation, my electronics knowledge sux |
| 16:48.09 | hrw | summatusmentis: from Zaurus line I prefer c7x0 keyboard due to longer use of it. n810 keyboard differ a lot from zaurus ones. but is usable |
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| 16:48.15 | trickie | lardman: but im working on a replacement for dsme which is slowly starting to look ok |
| 16:48.19 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Yes, like General says, Lock sucks but brilliant once locked. |
| 16:48.31 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 16:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | With GPS, YMMV |
| 16:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | The goodnews is that it's largely a software issue. |
| 16:48.45 | GeneralAntilles | and they're working on it. |
| 16:48.57 | lardman | trickie: what does the replacement need to do? |
| 16:49.03 | hrw | summatusmentis: gps suxx in general. it is not usable for car navigation for sure |
| 16:49.17 | lardman | hrw: is it that bad? |
| 16:49.19 | summatusmentis | interesting. Is the wifi 802.11g? what's the range on that? |
| 16:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, a lot of people seem to use it for car nav just fine. |
| 16:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | wifi range is about the best I've seen in any mobile device. |
| 16:49.45 | summatusmentis | my wifi cf card for my Zaurus has lots of issues with range |
| 16:49.48 | qwerty12 | hrw, is your problem maps? |
| 16:49.51 | hrw | lardman: show me finger usable navigation application for maemo. with offline routing and detour planning |
| 16:50.00 | ricko73 | the wifi is better than most of the laptops I've used |
| 16:50.12 | lardman | hrw: I'm planning on fiddling with Navit, not much use for you I know |
| 16:50.13 | trickie | lardman: well just set up some power management prefs, kick the watchdog and *hopefully* either get bme running |
| 16:50.21 | hrw | summatusmentis: wifi is nice and system has it nice integrated |
| 16:50.21 | trickie | lardman: thats my plan ATM |
| 16:50.23 | lardman | trickie: email me off list |
| 16:50.31 | trickie | sure |
| 16:50.32 | cjohnson | How can I reinstall the OS for my n800? It just keeps rebooting |
| 16:50.40 | qwerty12 | Reflash it |
| 16:50.43 | hrw | cjohnson: google: maemo flashing |
| 16:50.58 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: many people use nokia 3210 phones too. |
| 16:50.59 | summatusmentis | hrw: that was part of my issue on the Zaurus, wifi seemed to be an afterthought |
| 16:51.12 | qwerty12 | I'm intrested to see how diablo fiasco-flasher will work. |
| 16:51.28 | qwerty12 | hrw, I found that out too. Started taking the piss out of him. |
| 16:52.08 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: I had occassion to use tomtom navigator software. maemo mapper of navifinder suxx compared to it. no way to enter street name with finger, no usable prediction during entering name, no detour planning |
| 16:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, dedicated solutions are generally better than non-dedicated. ;) |
| 16:52.48 | Blastur | hmm.. can i make apps install themself on the internal memory card, rather than on the flash? |
| 16:52.50 | GeneralAntilles | My point was more hardware related, anyway. |
| 16:52.57 | Blastur | im running out of memory on the flash .. |
| 16:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper suits all of my in-car GPS needs just fine. |
| 16:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | Blastur, first, klil the 40MB of just in MyDocs |
| 16:53.15 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: I will show you my recent track |
| 16:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | Documentation pdfs, movies, music |
| 16:53.49 | hrw | what is crappy in n810 gps is that you have to leave n810 in car for 10 minutes to get fix |
| 16:53.53 | hrw | then you can drive |
| 16:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | That'll hold you over for a while, but booting from SD may be something you want to think about. |
| 16:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, like I said, lots of people don't have any issues. |
| 16:54.20 | hrw | I know |
| 16:54.30 | Blastur | GeneralAntilles, still, i'd like to know if its possible :) is it? |
| 16:54.33 | lardman | where is __BYTE_ORDER defined? |
| 16:54.41 | summatusmentis | hrw: how does th n8x00 series compare in size to a 3x00 series Zaurus? |
| 16:54.50 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but it's stupidly pointless when you can just boot from the SD. |
| 16:55.04 | hrw | summatusmentis: much smaller |
| 16:55.14 | hrw | summatusmentis: really pocketable |
| 16:55.19 | cjohnson | I can't shut my n800 off |
| 16:55.20 | summatusmentis | in all dimensions? it looks long |
| 16:55.22 | cjohnson | holding power doesn't do anything |
| 16:55.24 | Blastur | GeneralAntilles: what? |
| 16:55.39 | hrw | summatusmentis: I can keep n810 in back pocket. c7x0 does not fit there. |
| 16:55.53 | cjohnson | sorry, holding the power button restarts it |
| 16:55.55 | cjohnson | doesn't shut it off |
| 16:55.57 | hrw | summatusmentis: n810 is ~1cm longer then c7x0 |
| 16:55.57 | qwerty12 | cjohnson, /etc/init.d/mce stop & /etc/init.d/mce start and see any errors. Run as root. |
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| 16:55.58 | GeneralAntilles | You could symlink /usr/bin to the card, but that just doubles the opportunities for things to break. |
| 16:56.07 | cjohnson | qwerty12, I can't even boot the OS |
| 16:56.12 | cjohnson | qwerty12, that's why I want to flash it |
| 16:56.23 | summatusmentis | hrw: interesting |
| 16:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | Better to just install the OS on an xGB SD partition and boot from that. |
| 16:56.27 | cjohnson | qwerty12, It shows NOKIA and then the blue loading bar, then just reboots |
| 16:56.37 | qwerty12 | cjohnson, unplug battery. |
| 16:56.50 | cjohnson | qwerty12, I know I sound retarded, but I can't really figure out how haha |
| 16:57.06 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I needed long nails for my first go. |
| 16:57.19 | qwerty12 | When it is about to reboot, shove in a usb cable and hold home. |
| 16:57.22 | summatusmentis | I like the slide out keyboard |
| 16:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | Just tap it on your palm. |
| 16:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | Gently |
| 16:57.32 | GeneralAntilles | on the edge |
| 16:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | It'll pop right out. |
| 16:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | Or follow qwerty12's suggestion. |
| 16:58.28 | cjohnson | that' seems to have done it, with the USB and home |
| 16:58.28 | cjohnson | did that shut it off? |
| 16:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 16:58.29 | qwerty12 | No, it's in flashing mode. |
| 16:58.31 | hrw | summatusmentis: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/DSC00507.JPG |
| 16:58.32 | qwerty12 | Which you want anyway. |
| 16:58.34 | GeneralAntilles | You just caught the it soon enough to enter flashing mode. |
| 16:59.08 | summatusmentis | hrw: that's your c7x0? |
| 16:59.17 | hrw | summatusmentis: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/11/keyboard-in-palmtops/ is also worth reading |
| 16:59.21 | hrw | summatusmentis: yes |
| 16:59.53 | Blastur | by the way, is it OK to use any mini-USB cable to connect to the n810? or is there something special with the one included? |
| 17:00.26 | hrw | Blastur: I use nokia miniusb cable (but from 770) with many devices and vice versa |
| 17:00.49 | GeneralAntilles | N810 is MicroUSB |
| 17:01.04 | hrw | ah right |
| 17:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | The bigger issue would be finding another device that's micro and comes bundled with a cable. ;) |
| 17:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's just standard USB, so any standard cable will work. |
| 17:01.26 | summatusmentis | hrw: thanks, that was helpful. I didn't like the collie keyboard |
| 17:01.52 | cjohnson | I can't seem a tutorial for n800 from windows, only the n770 or in linux |
| 17:01.57 | cjohnson | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithWindows/ |
| 17:02.00 | cjohnson | that's the 770 only |
| 17:02.07 | hrw | cjohnson: procedure is same |
| 17:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | https://www.nokiausa.com/A4686320 |
| 17:02.38 | summatusmentis | and the n810 is the only one w/ the external keyboard, right? |
| 17:02.49 | GeneralAntilles | Internal, you mean. :P |
| 17:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | N810 and the N810 WiMAX Edition if we're being accurate. |
| 17:03.15 | summatusmentis | erm, yes, with a hardware keyboard is what I meant :) |
| 17:03.31 | summatusmentis | ok, but WiMAX is still an N810 |
| 17:03.48 | summatusmentis | also, not available yet? |
| 17:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | A black N810 with a tumor, yes. |
| 17:04.27 | RST38h | "Intel Denies Atomic iPhone Rumor" |
| 17:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be a stupid move. |
| 17:04.44 | RST38h | yep |
| 17:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | Where do people pull these rumors from? |
| 17:04.57 | RST38h | But a biger pad based on Atom would not be too bad |
| 17:04.58 | qwerty12 | RST38h, any inside info? AFAIR, you work for intel :) |
| 17:05.04 | qwerty12 | I won't snitch :p |
| 17:05.06 | summatusmentis | hrw: do you have Neo1973? |
| 17:05.12 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/screenshot01.png |
| 17:05.15 | hrw | summatusmentis: 2 of them |
| 17:05.16 | RST38h | qwerty; They did not deny it to me personally, if that is what you mean |
| 17:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone with 30 minute battery life. <_< |
| 17:05.27 | qwerty12 | RST38h, :) |
| 17:05.33 | summatusmentis | hrw: what do you think of the N8x0 series compared to that? |
| 17:05.43 | hrw | summatusmentis: neo1973 suxx in general |
| 17:05.48 | RST38h | They will actually be able to pull an hour or two out of it |
| 17:05.57 | RST38h | Not more though |
| 17:06.21 | summatusmentis | hrw: well, yes. I guess what I'm asking is would a FreeRunner(with bad GSM coverage) be more worth it? |
| 17:06.23 | qwerty12 | wants to see appleenvy for OS2008 :( |
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| 17:06.40 | hrw | summatusmentis: I prefer n810 over gta01/gta02 |
| 17:06.41 | RST38h | what happened on April 26? |
| 17:06.55 | hrw | summatusmentis: better formfactor |
| 17:07.46 | summatusmentis | hrw: you tether to your phone? |
| 17:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | tethering is dead easy. |
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| 17:09.13 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: that's what I've heard. I don't have a data plan on my phone right now, but I'm considering options for the future |
| 17:09.25 | hrw | summatusmentis: gta01/02 case is a brick |
| 17:09.33 | hrw | big, thick brick |
| 17:09.46 | summatusmentis | hrw: It doesn't look that much bigger than a... palm centro |
| 17:09.51 | hrw | summatusmentis: my current phone is ~half of gta0[1-2] size |
| 17:09.54 | summatusmentis | maybe a bit longer |
| 17:10.17 | hrw | summatusmentis: I would rather spend cash on htc diamond then openmoko freerunner |
| 17:10.33 | summatusmentis | hrw: but... windows mobile </disgust> |
| 17:10.34 | MangoFusion | n95 for me! |
| 17:10.37 | RST38h | hrw: Be careful what you wish for |
| 17:10.43 | hrw | summatusmentis: so what. it works |
| 17:10.44 | RST38h | diamond runs winmobile |
| 17:10.58 | hrw | summatusmentis: with openmoko you do not know which toolkit they prefer in this week |
| 17:11.17 | summatusmentis | hrw: you seem bitter from your time in the OE world :) |
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| 17:11.53 | hrw | summatusmentis: take gta01 into hand and then rethink |
| 17:12.15 | summatusmentis | hrw: I only know people w/ gta01 on the internet |
| 17:12.26 | qwerty12 | gta1 is old. it's all about gta iv now, |
| 17:12.35 | hrw | summatusmentis: time to go to some conference then |
| 17:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | guns down qwerty12. |
| 17:12.59 | qwerty12 | gets rocket launcher and targets GeneralAntilles |
| 17:13.06 | summatusmentis | hrw: well, if there were conferences in the US that weren't in california, I'd consider it :) |
| 17:13.15 | qwerty12 | does evil laugh and gets 3 stars and runs from police |
| 17:13.27 | lopz | re |
| 17:13.40 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: for a minute there, I thought you were talking about GTA04 |
| 17:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | respawns and runs qwerty12 down doing 180 in a Ron Fellows "Coquette". |
| 17:13.54 | summatusmentis | the generation of OpenMoko after FreeRunner :) |
| 17:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | That one made me laugh. |
| 17:14.04 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 17:14.55 | Grackle | GTA4 is a lovely game. *put a few hours in on his friend's 46" HDTV* |
| 17:15.06 | summatusmentis | hrw: so, if I understand correctly, your choice would go c7x0 > C3x00 > N8x0 > htc diamond > freerunner |
| 17:15.06 | qwerty12 | kills hospital ppl for taking my weapon and gets PCJ and does a drive by on GeneralAntilles |
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| 17:15.10 | Grackle | Alas, I am no longer at college. Sadface. |
| 17:15.13 | qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I was :) |
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| 17:15.38 | summatusmentis | qwerty12: lol |
| 17:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | I play on a 17" trinitron from 2001. |
| 17:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | Much sharper than any HDTV. :D |
| 17:16.08 | hrw | summatusmentis: no |
| 17:17.14 | hrw | summatusmentis: c7x0 -> n810 for palmtop line. ericsson a2618s -> alcatel 501 -> nokia 6310i -> sonyericsson k750i -> some *usable* smartphone (so no openmoko) |
| 17:17.35 | hrw | for phone line |
| 17:17.47 | summatusmentis | hrw: I see, so 3x00 doesn't even qualify for you |
| 17:17.59 | molkko | how to troubleshoot: flasher-3.0 says "suitable USB device not found, waiting". n810 connected and I think everything is in order |
| 17:18.08 | hrw | summatusmentis: I had c3000 for few months. too thick |
| 17:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | Did you start the N810 correctly? |
| 17:18.23 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off (make sure charger is unplugged) |
| 17:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | start up holding down the Home/Swap key. |
| 17:18.39 | summatusmentis | hrw: that's definitely part of the reason I'm considering switching to a N810 |
| 17:19.39 | molkko | GeneralAntilles, oh. sorry. of course. i did not read the instruction completely. case closed |
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| 17:33.28 | qwerty12 | has got pulseaudio half compiled. I'm gonna crap myself trying to install it on my tablet though :/ |
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| 17:39.48 | summatusmentis | is there a wiki or something somewhere of stuff that people have done w/ their tablets? |
| 17:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts |
| 17:40.40 | Grackle | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/ |
| 17:41.20 | Grackle | Oh, specific stuff. |
| 17:41.57 | Grackle | Well, the itt wiki does have a lot of pages on random things that people are working on. http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian for instance |
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| 17:50.57 | mrlanrat | Is there any way to help OS 2008 get a DHCP IP address? |
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| 17:52.44 | mrlanrat | My N810 latly has had great dificulty getting an IP from my schools DHCP server. |
| 17:54.25 | Grackle | That's strange. Do you have a laptop to test the network with? It may not be your N810's fault. |
| 17:54.33 | Grackle | In fact, I would be kind of surprised if it was. |
| 17:54.45 | mrlanrat | I think it is |
| 17:54.57 | Grackle | Why's that? |
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| 17:55.20 | mrlanrat | sevral freinds with ipod toutches can connect no problem. same with my laptop when iIdo bring it. |
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| 17:55.48 | mrlanrat | this used to only happen every now and then, not it has happend for the last sevral days. |
| 17:56.11 | mrlanrat | it used to be fixed by rebooting, but not anymore... |
| 17:56.14 | Grackle | Any chance someone might steal your MAC address? |
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| 17:57.04 | cjohnson | Does maemo use like gnome or something? |
| 17:57.06 | mrlanrat | no, i have also tried changing my mac, no luck. |
| 17:57.07 | cjohnson | or is it a custom one |
| 17:57.19 | mrlanrat | @cjohnson custom |
| 17:57.19 | hrw | bye guys |
| 17:57.39 | cjohnson | thanks |
| 17:57.41 | mrlanrat | its called hildon |
| 17:59.01 | Grackle | gnome apps can compile and run just fine, and minor tweaks will provide hildon integration |
| 17:59.06 | mrlanrat | so any ideas on my DHCP problem? |
| 17:59.10 | Grackle | http://umeguide.net/C/ch08s05.html |
| 17:59.21 | Grackle | I'm at a loss, mrlanrat. I don't know what the problem is. |
| 18:00.30 | mrlanrat | is there a way I can connect to the wifi via xterm so i can see ant error messseges? |
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| 18:00.46 | Grackle | I believe iwconfig works |
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| 18:01.27 | n800n | i believe birds suddenly appear |
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| 18:01.43 | Grackle | hehe |
| 18:02.11 | Grackle | I don't know what dhcp client it uses, you can try dhclient or dhcpcd |
| 18:02.56 | Grackle | You might have to stop wlancond before doing that |
| 18:02.59 | mrlanrat | so how would i use iwconfig to connect to the wifi? |
| 18:03.03 | Grackle | I'm not sure, but I think it may interfer |
| 18:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, it's more or less GNOME |
| 18:03.37 | Grackle | iwconfig wlan0 essid |
| 18:03.49 | Grackle | mrlanrat: Does it use encryption? |
| 18:03.56 | Grackle | http://linux.die.net/man/8/iwconfig |
| 18:03.59 | cjohnson | What do you guys think of those stick-on plastic covers for protecting my screen? Does it interfere with the input too much? Does it leave a residue? |
| 18:03.59 | mrlanrat | yes |
| 18:04.04 | Grackle | What type? |
| 18:04.06 | mrlanrat | wpa -enterprize |
| 18:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on which one you buy. |
| 18:04.23 | Grackle | Crap. I'm not familiar with using wpa from the command line, sorry. |
| 18:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I HIGHLY recommend the Boxwave anti-glare. |
| 18:04.29 | mrlanrat | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19809 |
| 18:04.39 | mrlanrat | thats the encription info |
| 18:04.47 | cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, I have these ones I use for my iPod and Camera, they're alright, from walmart |
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| 18:05.53 | Grackle | The one I got for my PSP was very stiff and would probably hinder stylus input. I would avoid getting one like that. |
| 18:06.20 | cjohnson | The ones I have aren't stiff, they're probably as stiff as 2 sheets of paper would be |
| 18:06.33 | cjohnson | They do a good job protecting, I just don't know about stylus input |
| 18:06.43 | Grackle | Mine was like half a credit card |
| 18:06.44 | cjohnson | Meh, it's 10 for $10, so I could just try |
| 18:07.06 | Grackle | I think you'll be fine |
| 18:07.12 | cjohnson | cool |
| 18:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously though, Boxwave anti-glare is the way to go. |
| 18:07.26 | GeneralAntilles | Great texture, great protection |
| 18:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | anti-glare really improves visibility in a lot of lighting conditions. |
| 18:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | Last forever |
| 18:07.49 | Grackle | GeneralAntilles: I think I'll get one/a pack of those, they sound very nice. |
| 18:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an application guide somewhere on ITT |
| 18:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | For after you get one. ;) |
| 18:08.26 | Grackle | Oh, it's an involved procedure? |
| 18:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | Eh |
| 18:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 18:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | Just dust is hard to keep out. |
| 18:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | So you usually have to apply it more than once. |
| 18:09.20 | Grackle | ah |
| 18:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=117031&postcount=18 |
| 18:10.40 | Grackle | Is the boxwave screen protector made for the n800, or does it have to be cut? |
| 18:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's made for it |
| 18:11.04 | Grackle | ah |
| 18:11.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming you order the N800 version. ;) |
| 18:11.09 | Grackle | haha, right |
| 18:12.55 | Blastur | hmm |
| 18:13.08 | Grackle | bookmarks for later |
| 18:13.17 | Blastur | do you guys have weird problems with the n810 that its wifi connection stops working after a while? |
| 18:13.35 | mrlanrat | YES! |
| 18:14.20 | mrlanrat | My N810 can rarly get a DHCP IP from my school's wifi |
| 18:14.31 | mrlanrat | but it works fine everywhere else. |
| 18:16.39 | Grackle | Hey man, I have an initfs from 1969. Far out. |
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| 18:18.07 | lardman | Blastur: as in it goes to sleep? |
| 18:21.07 | Blastur | lardman, well, it says its connected, but i cant browse the net |
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| 18:21.24 | Blastur | sometimes it helps if i disconnect from the wifi and reconnect to it |
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| 18:25.36 | lardman | Blastur: no idea then, sorry |
| 18:25.45 | Blastur | someting is seriously wrong with my wifi.. i get like HUGE latency even when the n810 is next to the AP |
| 18:25.52 | Blastur | i think its something with my router |
| 18:26.09 | beford | hey, what fs would you guys recommend for a /boot partition? (on my desktop heh) |
| 18:26.40 | penguinbait | what type of wifi AP do you have? |
| 18:26.48 | Blastur | its a La Fonera |
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| 18:27.01 | penguinbait | is that a brand? |
| 18:27.12 | Blastur | yeah |
| 18:27.18 | penguinbait | is it 802.11 b or g or n or everything? |
| 18:28.04 | penguinbait | I had problems with my old linksys, it was only 802.11b, always disconnected |
| 18:28.19 | penguinbait | I have a b/g now and it works perfectly |
| 18:28.20 | jku_ | Blastur, there's a bug with Fonera + tablet combination, see maemo bugzilla |
| 18:28.40 | jku_ | apparently foneras don't like the aggressive power saving... |
| 18:28.46 | Blastur | https://shop.fon.com/FonShop/shop/SE/ShopController?view=product&product=PRD-001 |
| 18:28.50 | Blastur | thats the one i use |
| 18:28.58 | penguinbait | maybe a firmware update? |
| 18:29.01 | unixSnob | Flash is such a failure.. Flash clients one version back can't show current flash content, and new flash players can't handle content from one version back. I can't believe DHTML isn't more popular |
| 18:29.04 | jku_ | at least they didn't, could have had firmware upgrades |
| 18:29.06 | penguinbait | on the AP |
| 18:29.26 | Blastur | oh ok. jku_, good to know. I just wanted to rule out the n810.. i think i have an old NetGear AP here somewhere, gonna try that instead |
| 18:32.21 | Blastur | oh, dang. I was just annoyed that there was no physical button to switch between windows.. now i just noticed the one sitting next to the screen |
| 18:32.21 | Blastur | =) |
| 18:32.25 | Blastur | i was like "what are they thinking? they put a button to maximize/minimize, but not switch windows?!" |
| 18:33.02 | Grackle | :P |
| 18:33.12 | Grackle | I wish the top buttons on the N800 were larger |
| 18:33.31 | penguinbait | I wish I could control it with my mind |
| 18:33.31 | KotCzarny | cut your fingers to fit |
| 18:33.36 | Grackle | or more separated or something |
| 18:33.38 | penguinbait | as long as we are wishing :) |
| 18:33.41 | Grackle | haha KotCzarny |
| 18:34.00 | Grackle | Yes, that would be pretty cool (mind control, not finger whittling) |
| 18:34.00 | Blastur | btw, did you guys try out the SDL Quake thingie? I played for a while, then I realized i had NO way to turn it off ;) Didn't find the "Escape" button, so i had to power it down completely to exit |
| 18:34.15 | Grackle | I played it |
| 18:34.26 | Grackle | I don't plan on playing quake on my IT much, but it was neat to try out |
| 18:34.29 | Blastur | amazing stuff for a small device like this |
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| 18:34.32 | KotCzarny | escape button is the one directly belowe dpad |
| 18:34.53 | Blastur | i tried all buttons :) the one below dpad only switched between different keyconfiguration modes in-game |
| 18:34.58 | penguinbait | I was playing q2 multiplayer with my cordless logitech controller |
| 18:34.59 | Blastur | like ZoomMode, BioMode, whatever |
| 18:35.04 | penguinbait | well sort of cordless |
| 18:35.34 | penguinbait | we need CTF DDAY mods |
| 18:35.47 | Navi | Hi penguinbait |
| 18:36.18 | Grackle | I might play if I had a proper controller. |
| 18:36.20 | penguinbait | Hi Navi, is that like the little fairy that helps Link? |
| 18:36.35 | Navi | Yes |
| 18:36.40 | penguinbait | nice |
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| 18:37.49 | penguinbait | usb controllers work great |
| 18:39.27 | Navi | My usb controllers are too big to carry around |
| 18:39.38 | Navi | I usually have the wiimote with me though |
| 18:39.43 | n800n | does the quiver dev come here? |
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| 18:41.09 | penguinbait | anyone tried my boot from SD deb yet? |
| 18:41.15 | RST38h | how much is wii controller right now, btw? |
| 18:41.19 | RST38h | I mean, in the States? |
| 18:41.40 | Navi | US$40 |
| 18:42.25 | penguinbait | best buy is 39.99 |
| 18:42.35 | RST38h | aha |
| 18:42.48 | RST38h | looks like a shadier store will sell it for $25 |
| 18:42.56 | Navi | Lol |
| 18:42.58 | penguinbait | 20$ more for nunchuck |
| 18:43.01 | RST38h | and it is fully functional with N810? =)~ |
| 18:43.04 | keesj | anybody with a "lasted" os2008 image running ? |
| 18:43.18 | KotCzarny | lasted? |
| 18:43.20 | Navi | "lasted"? |
| 18:43.23 | penguinbait | lasted? |
| 18:43.25 | n800n | lasted. |
| 18:43.27 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 18:43.35 | RST38h | Oh, fuck the nunchuck - it's not like I am eager to break a window or something |
| 18:43.52 | KotCzarny | rst: then you will :> |
| 18:44.00 | penguinbait | RST38H but the IR is not working, only the buttos and dpad |
| 18:44.03 | KotCzarny | it's always accidental ;) |
| 18:44.19 | keesj | does the language selection work for you http://maemo.mmapps.net/n810_survey/ |
| 18:44.25 | Blastur | btw guys.. when you do typing on the n810, it sometimes makes a proposition for a few words.. how can i select one of those, without using the stylus? cant find the key to select em' |
| 18:44.43 | penguinbait | finger |
| 18:44.57 | penguinbait | after you put done the greasy pizza |
| 18:45.04 | Blastur | ;) |
| 18:45.05 | penguinbait | down that is |
| 18:45.14 | Blastur | down? |
| 18:45.30 | penguinbait | after you put "down" the greasy pizza |
| 18:45.36 | Blastur | oh, right |
| 18:45.38 | penguinbait | not "done" |
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| 18:45.51 | penguinbait | sorry |
| 18:45.57 | Blastur | it's ok, you're only human |
| 18:46.07 | penguinbait | or am I |
| 18:47.21 | Blastur | uh oh |
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| 18:52.44 | RST38h | penguin: Oh :( I guess, this one would be a better fit then: http://sewelldirect.com/bluetooth-gamepad-adapter-for-smart-phones-and-pdas.asp?source=froogle&utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=cse |
| 18:54.09 | RST38h | Or get sixaxis work with n810 ;) |
| 18:56.02 | KotCzarny | sewell looks like lisped sewer |
| 18:56.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:58.06 | pyhimys | I misread the 'sewer' for server and started to think about ecommerce site made in lisp |
| 18:58.16 | RST38h | it is probably just a nameless bunch of chinese |
| 18:58.21 | pyhimys | (Would it be threadsafe etc ) |
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| 18:58.52 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 18:58.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:59.16 | KotCzarny | imagine managing ecommerce in lisp |
| 18:59.37 | pyhimys | My brain hurts |
| 18:59.39 | RST38h | they manage it in java, why not lisp? |
| 18:59.53 | KotCzarny | java is piece of cake |
| 18:59.55 | penguinbait | I already have that BT gamepad |
| 19:00.03 | penguinbait | bg100, it sux |
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| 19:00.35 | penguinbait | you need to hack kbbd to make it work |
| 19:00.50 | penguinbait | I used to use it with my 770 and 800 to play mame |
| 19:02.43 | Navi | Anyone know what the home key is bound to in Debian? |
| 19:03.19 | KotCzarny | run xev |
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| 19:03.28 | Navi | Too lazy |
| 19:03.34 | KotCzarny | lazy too |
| 19:04.01 | Navi | F5 |
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| 19:04.40 | n800n | do you guys know anyone at all who's coding for some kind of sound app for maemo? |
| 19:04.56 | Navi | Sound app? |
| 19:05.06 | n800n | music software |
| 19:05.13 | Navi | oh |
| 19:05.18 | KotCzarny | canola guys |
| 19:05.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:05.22 | n800n | there;s the midi thing, but other than that i couldn't find anything at all |
| 19:05.35 | n800n | not just playback, you know what i mean |
| 19:05.40 | KotCzarny | sequencer? |
| 19:06.04 | Grackle | tinytracker and PDa are the only ones I Know of |
| 19:06.10 | n800n | yeah and things like that |
| 19:06.10 | n800n | there's PDa and the midi thingy |
| 19:06.27 | Grackle | er |
| 19:06.32 | Grackle | whatever that sequencer was called |
| 19:06.44 | Grackle | tinytracker seems to be a tracker for aprs :P |
| 19:06.47 | zap | Some say, ITOS 2008 supports SMB shares, is that true? |
| 19:07.37 | n800n | seems like such a missed opportunity to me (but i'm biased) |
| 19:08.11 | n800n | the one thing i haven't tried is use emulators to host sound apps |
| 19:08.13 | n800n | but it seems iffy |
| 19:08.41 | KotCzarny | as long it works |
| 19:08.42 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:09.20 | n800n | yeah i should try those out |
| 19:09.26 | Grackle | There has never really been a whole lot of good music software for linux anyway. |
| 19:09.32 | n800n | but i'm sure the screen will be forced into so half ass resolution |
| 19:09.35 | penguinbait | as lo ng as it w ooooor ks |
| 19:09.36 | n800n | some* |
| 19:09.49 | penguinbait | without killing the CPU :) |
| 19:09.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:10.16 | KotCzarny | n800n: name a good seq for linux? |
| 19:10.45 | KotCzarny | then port (compile) it for n800 (or find someone to do it) |
| 19:10.47 | n800n | "decent" would be enough |
| 19:11.49 | n800n | i noticed in xmmms a ALSA output module |
| 19:12.00 | KotCzarny | alsa is a cheat |
| 19:12.11 | n800n | <KotCzarny> as long it works |
| 19:12.17 | KotCzarny | seq won't work |
| 19:12.22 | KotCzarny | ie. midi |
| 19:12.33 | KotCzarny | you have to install timidity server |
| 19:12.42 | zap | rosegarden for midi sequencer |
| 19:12.54 | zap | and lmms for tracker-style |
| 19:13.04 | zap | but they are very heavy apps |
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| 19:13.20 | zap | hydrogen is a neat drum machine, but it's Qt |
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| 19:14.15 | n800n | there's aldrin |
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| 19:14.48 | n800n | that would be my frist pick probably |
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| 19:16.15 | n800n | http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/aldrin |
| 19:16.22 | zap | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D |
| 19:16.27 | zap | Anybody know how to fix this? |
| 19:16.35 | penguinbait | dont |
| 19:17.06 | zap | ? |
| 19:17.13 | zap | http://maemo-hackers.org is a bad repo? |
| 19:17.14 | penguinbait | you dont need to fix it, its works fine |
| 19:17.20 | penguinbait | doesn't it? |
| 19:17.27 | zap | dunno really |
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| 19:17.29 | zap | how to check? |
| 19:17.41 | zap | I'm not common with dpkg yet |
| 19:17.54 | penguinbait | several of mine complain on the command line about GPG, but they work |
| 19:18.01 | zap | ah ok |
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| 19:18.22 | penguinbait | I am not a deb genius either |
| 19:18.27 | RST38h | penguin: So, that weird gamepad acts as a kbd? |
| 19:18.43 | penguinbait | I come from the land of RPM and BFF |
| 19:19.04 | penguinbait | RST yes, and its not great for lots of input |
| 19:19.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Oh yeah, if you have ssh, telnet isn't needed? :) |
| 19:20.04 | zap | I'm a long-time Fedora user as well |
| 19:20.39 | penguinbait | telnet is very usefull even with ssh |
| 19:21.06 | penguinbait | how do you ssh to a mail server at port 25? |
| 19:21.33 | n800n | hm i know the aldrin dev! maybe he'll do it. |
| 19:21.43 | penguinbait | RST http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2666&highlight=bgp100 |
| 19:21.53 | zap | The default media player uses gstreamer? |
| 19:22.04 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 19:22.06 | penguinbait | not sure if there is even a driver that works anymore? |
| 19:22.12 | zap | how to make it play MPEG4 files? |
| 19:22.24 | zap | I see gstreamer-ffmpeg is installed, but it says unsupported format |
| 19:22.48 | qwerty12_N800 | compile newer version of the gst-plugins? |
| 19:23.29 | RST38h | penguin: aha. thanks! |
| 19:24.00 | zap | why I would want a newer version when gstreamer supported MPEG4 even at version 0.8? |
| 19:24.37 | zap | besides, ffmpeg supports MPEG4 from the very beginning, so I would suppose gstreamer-ffmpeg does it too |
| 19:24.50 | qwerty12_N800 | It doesn't seem to be working for you now. |
| 19:24.51 | RST38h | whispers "sixaxis! sixaxis!" |
| 19:25.04 | penguinbait | qwerty, did you figure out your mount issue with KDE |
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| 19:25.42 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, no. I had to remove for diablo upgrade, I'm gonna reinstall soon :) |
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| 19:26.00 | penguinbait | you should use the new debs |
| 19:26.30 | penguinbait | boot from SD installer, and KDE boot from SD KDE installer |
| 19:26.59 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't really like booting maemo off mmc (ironic & stupid due to my flashing number...) |
| 19:27.45 | penguinbait | in that setup qwerty, the easiest way is to boot without the card in, that way nothing is using it |
| 19:27.46 | keesj | nobody loves me |
| 19:28.04 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, yeah :) |
| 19:28.06 | penguinbait | are you sure |
| 19:28.14 | qwerty12_N800 | keesj, eaten worms yet? :p |
| 19:28.37 | keesj | They dind't like me either |
| 19:29.06 | penguinbait | qwerty, I looked in your post, it sounds like you missed the swap file |
| 19:29.14 | KotCzarny | new meaning of 'they like you for your brains' ? |
| 19:29.17 | penguinbait | swapoff /media/mmcX/swap.img |
| 19:29.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Don't worry, #maemo likes everyone. Except unless you aare slobby_d... |
| 19:29.35 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, thanks! :) |
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| 19:29.46 | karbas | hmm.. does anyone have irssi for os2008.. i don't have scratchbox at the moment but i need irssi:/ |
| 19:30.02 | qwerty12_N800 | karbas, I have svn build at itt |
| 19:30.13 | karbas | itt? |
| 19:30.15 | qwerty12_N800 | and bitchx and weechat... |
| 19:30.24 | penguinbait | internettablettalk |
| 19:30.25 | qwerty12_N800 | internettablettalk |
| 19:30.26 | penguinbait | Itt |
| 19:30.28 | karbas | well.. i need irssi |
| 19:30.35 | karbas | qwerty12_N800, url? |
| 19:30.43 | karbas | irssi-text i mean :) |
| 19:30.58 | qwerty12_N800 | sorry, I hate searching with virtual kbd |
| 19:31.10 | qwerty12_N800 | this uses ncurses |
| 19:31.17 | penguinbait | curses! |
| 19:31.25 | penguinbait | I mean ncurses! |
| 19:31.29 | karbas | yeah |
| 19:33.02 | summatusmentis | so... are there things people don't like about their N8x0 series? |
| 19:33.45 | qwerty12_N800 | I think internettablettalk should be internetcomputertablettalk because then i can say ictt |
| 19:33.59 | qwerty12_N800 | w/out getting slapped |
| 19:34.02 | karbas | qwerty12_N800, search at itt didn't help:( |
| 19:34.29 | qwerty12_N800 | give me a min. |
| 19:34.34 | penguinbait | ictt, cmon |
| 19:34.46 | cjohnson | Where can I get the gainroot command from again? |
| 19:35.08 | qwerty12_N800 | www.nitapps.com |
| 19:35.26 | penguinbait | you can install becomeroot, and then you "sudo gainroot" in xterm |
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| 19:35.57 | karbas | qwerty12_N800, found it.. from the forums |
| 19:35.59 | qwerty12_N800 | prefers easyroot to becomeroot |
| 19:36.03 | qwerty12_N800 | ah kl |
| 19:36.15 | cjohnson | what's the difference between easyroot and becomeroot |
| 19:37.14 | qwerty12_N800 | has "root" command which sets proper environment |
| 19:37.17 | KotCzarny | http://www.woostercollective.com/snork.jpg |
| 19:37.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:37.30 | KotCzarny | ssh root@0 sets proper env too |
| 19:37.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:37.34 | penguinbait | dont know, I never used easyroot |
| 19:37.53 | qwerty12_N800 | ssh is long for local connection :/ |
| 19:38.01 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 19:38.03 | penguinbait | Boot from SD installer DEB will give you root also |
| 19:38.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:38.08 | penguinbait | hehe |
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| 19:39.32 | cjohnson | What do you mean by proper environment |
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| 19:39.51 | KotCzarny | home dir, for example |
| 19:39.52 | penguinbait | it gives you root |
| 19:40.01 | qwerty12_N800 | whoami actually returns root |
| 19:40.04 | cjohnson | oh I don't want that actually |
| 19:40.11 | KotCzarny | you do. |
| 19:40.17 | cjohnson | I want elevated commands but for things to be done to user, not root |
| 19:40.28 | KotCzarny | otherwise you may end up with files in /home/user owend by root |
| 19:40.39 | KotCzarny | ie. unmodifiable by your regular user |
| 19:40.49 | cjohnson | but if i become root they're somehow created owned by user? |
| 19:40.53 | cjohnson | how does that make sense? |
| 19:41.04 | cjohnson | anyway, I can just SSH as root without even installing that, so there'd be no point in it |
| 19:41.11 | penguinbait | these things are like swiss cheese, does it really matter? |
| 19:41.15 | KotCzarny | if you login as root your home dir becomes /root |
| 19:41.32 | KotCzarny | it matters if you don't want to reflash/debug too often |
| 19:41.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:41.51 | KotCzarny | because 'something doesn't work anymore' |
| 19:41.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:42.13 | cjohnson | right, so when I want add in new applications or whatever it may be, then it applies settings to /root and not to /home/user, which would mean that the user that I'd actually be using wouldn't have those files at all |
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| 19:42.34 | KotCzarny | no |
| 19:42.46 | KotCzarny | apt-get doesn't modify your home dir usually |
| 19:42.52 | cjohnson | usually |
| 19:43.22 | cjohnson | kinda off topic, but is it possible to re-run that beginning configuration thing? I want to know what kinds of configurations it was doing for me, and I accidentally cancelled it |
| 19:43.27 | KotCzarny | ok, if you only want to run apt-* then it doesn't matter what env you have |
| 19:43.37 | penguinbait | I suspect qwerty has seen less tt and more cjohnson |
| 19:43.46 | KotCzarny | cjohnson: you can unpack .deb with: ar x |
| 19:43.49 | penguinbait | sorry, I just coudn't resist :) |
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| 19:44.12 | cjohnson | penguinbait, I didn't get it :S :P |
| 19:44.22 | penguinbait | dpkg -x also unpacks debs |
| 19:44.22 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, lol :p |
| 19:44.32 | penguinbait | it was not meant for you cj |
| 19:44.37 | qwerty12_N800 | carl johnson is a gangsta |
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| 19:46.12 | lardman | I don't suppose we have any SBC experts about tonight> |
| 19:46.14 | lardman | ? |
| 19:46.56 | qwerty12_N800 | preinst scripts get saved in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:56.05 | cjohnson | I want to install acmonitor, but it requires libdbus-1-2. apt-get install libdbus-1-2 results in Package libdbus-1-2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:56.05 | cjohnson | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:56.05 | cjohnson | is only available from another source |
| 19:56.10 | cjohnson | any ideas? |
| 19:56.29 | qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, grab my recompile from ictt |
| 19:56.33 | qwerty12_N800 | s/ictt/itt |
| 20:00.06 | cjohnson | where is it? |
| 20:00.28 | qwerty12_N800 | can't remember, just search acmonitor or derf |
| 20:00.35 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, mess with debian much? |
| 20:00.55 | cjohnson | is it on the forums? |
| 20:00.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, not atm. I need to get a keyboard :/ |
| 20:01.02 | qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, yes |
| 20:01.17 | penguinbait | there you go again |
| 20:01.23 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, you don't need a keyboard :P |
| 20:01.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, I find it hard to use :/ |
| 20:01.47 | qwerty12_N800 | blushes |
| 20:03.21 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/matchbox-keyboard1.png |
| 20:03.23 | Navi | \o/ |
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| 20:03.57 | Navi | the xml config for it is in the same directory |
| 20:04.12 | Navi | or you could always install synergy or ssh or vnc or rdesktop |
| 20:04.28 | penguinbait | (.)(.) |
| 20:04.37 | Navi | lolbewbs |
| 20:04.43 | cjohnson | I can never remember the commands, what it is it for gzunzip? |
| 20:04.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, will do lol |
| 20:04.53 | Navi | gunzip |
| 20:04.54 | penguinbait | gunzip |
| 20:04.57 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 20:05.06 | cjohnson | ah |
| 20:05.09 | Navi | I remember it 'cuz you want to shoot the zip with a gun |
| 20:05.11 | cjohnson | is that maemo only? or standard? |
| 20:05.15 | KotCzarny | gun-zip ? |
| 20:05.16 | Navi | standard ap |
| 20:05.19 | Navi | app |
| 20:05.35 | penguinbait | gzip -d works also |
| 20:05.44 | cjohnson | oh no not that |
| 20:05.59 | cjohnson | isn't there a way to extract directly from the tar? |
| 20:06.05 | KotCzarny | tar -xzf |
| 20:06.12 | Navi | tar -xvzf file.tar.gz |
| 20:06.13 | penguinbait | tar zxvf app.tar.gz |
| 20:06.15 | cjohnson | that's it |
| 20:06.19 | cjohnson | zxvf |
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| 20:06.26 | cjohnson | i have a script at home so i don't' have to remember |
| 20:06.28 | cjohnson | gzunzip |
| 20:06.28 | Navi | :P |
| 20:06.32 | cjohnson | and bz2unzip as well |
| 20:06.36 | penguinbait | z zip x xtract v verify f file |
| 20:06.42 | KotCzarny | v is verbose |
| 20:06.43 | penguinbait | z zip x xtract v verbose f file |
| 20:06.45 | KotCzarny | not verify |
| 20:06.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:07.05 | penguinbait | I got ahead of myself |
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| 20:07.16 | penguinbait | it must have been the (.)(.) |
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| 20:07.23 | penguinbait | they always distract me |
| 20:07.54 | qwerty12_N800 | ( . )( . ) |
| 20:08.01 | cjohnson | ahh |
| 20:08.02 | qwerty12_N800 | wayhey |
| 20:08.35 | cjohnson | oh crap |
| 20:08.41 | KotCzarny | qwerty: that's too much |
| 20:08.49 | penguinbait | always one up-ing me |
| 20:08.57 | cjohnson | I'm on windows SSH'ing into the n800 |
| 20:09.02 | Navi | lolhugebewbz |
| 20:09.02 | cjohnson | the n800 doesn't have a C compiler |
| 20:09.12 | qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, nothing personal :p |
| 20:09.27 | penguinbait | its all good |
| 20:09.32 | Navi | gah |
| 20:09.36 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, NEVA I WANT MOAR |
| 20:09.37 | Navi | I can't get anything to run in openbox |
| 20:09.46 | chx | hey. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mysqldatabase/ is this the daemon? not just the client? |
| 20:10.20 | cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, do you have a suggestion for compiling it? or could i possibly beg a favor of you to compile it and send me the deb? |
| 20:10.34 | KotCzarny | chx: os2007 ? |
| 20:10.44 | cjohnson | os2008 |
| 20:10.49 | cjohnson | oh haha not me nvm |
| 20:10.54 | qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, acmonitor? |
| 20:10.59 | cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, yeah |
| 20:11.21 | chx | KotCzarny: whatever google finds. |
| 20:11.55 | chx | KotCzarny: I have trying to convince myself to buy a Maemo device since the 770 but so far could not. |
| 20:12.12 | chx | KotCzarny: then http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mysqldatabase/ the question is the same. |
| 20:12.15 | penguinbait | I bought 770, 800 and 810 |
| 20:12.26 | penguinbait | cmon already |
| 20:12.30 | KotCzarny | has only n800 |
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| 20:12.56 | chx | I am not buying anythign that does not have a LAMP stack |
| 20:12.58 | KotCzarny | chx: there is always sqlite |
| 20:12.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:13.03 | penguinbait | I have 800 and 810 , my 770 went to Nokia repair facility, never to be seen again |
| 20:13.06 | chx | not good for me. |
| 20:13.10 | Knirch | penguinbait: and the wimax model is on order? |
| 20:13.13 | KotCzarny | chx: just get that package and unpack it |
| 20:13.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:13.22 | chx | I do not have a Maemo device |
| 20:13.22 | KotCzarny | and you will see |
| 20:13.23 | penguinbait | NOPE, I want n900 |
| 20:13.29 | KotCzarny | it's a standard .deb |
| 20:13.30 | chx | I am checking whether I want to buy one |
| 20:13.37 | chx | then give me a .deb link |
| 20:13.40 | KotCzarny | doh. |
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| 20:13.49 | chx | repo_deb_3 = deb http://www.web-brewer.co.uk/maemo binary/ |
| 20:13.56 | chx | i can't decipher the deb from this. |
| 20:13.59 | qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=171640&postcount=3 |
| 20:14.43 | chx | you know guys this is somewhat ridiculous |
| 20:14.57 | chx | http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PAMP we have a full AMP stack for phones |
| 20:15.02 | chx | and then for a Linux device |
| 20:15.04 | chx | we don't? |
| 20:15.18 | KotCzarny | 'we' ? |
| 20:15.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:16.20 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/m/mysql-dfsg/ |
| 20:16.41 | chx | mysql 4.0 that's ancient |
| 20:16.48 | chx | the link above at least has 4.1 |
| 20:16.49 | KotCzarny | then just compile one yourself |
| 20:16.59 | KotCzarny | or decipher the repo dir |
| 20:17.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:17.15 | KotCzarny | people run 3.x too |
| 20:17.16 | KotCzarny | heheh |
| 20:17.17 | penguinbait | chx, why are you trying to find software to run on something you dont have? |
| 20:17.33 | chx | penguinbait: it's not hard to cross that chasm |
| 20:17.43 | chx | penguinbait: the only question is, do I want to shell out that much money? |
| 20:17.51 | KotCzarny | how much? |
| 20:17.53 | KotCzarny | 150$ ? |
| 20:17.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:18.05 | chx | the N810 is not $150 and I need a keyboard. |
| 20:18.13 | *** part/#maemo hugolp (n=jo@unaffiliated/hugolp) |
| 20:18.14 | KotCzarny | ah, talking about needs |
| 20:18.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:18.26 | chx | yes I came here for help |
| 20:18.33 | chx | and getting smileys and no help |
| 20:18.36 | chx | great. |
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| 20:18.42 | penguinbait | what help do you want |
| 20:18.54 | Navi | chx, that's our friend the smiley spammer |
| 20:18.59 | chx | is there a functioanl LAMP stack or not :) ? |
| 20:19.24 | cjohnson | just got back, thanks a ton qwerty12_N800 |
| 20:19.47 | qwerty12_N800 | no problem :) |
| 20:20.43 | chx | seems to me I need to wait for these Atom powered MIDs |
| 20:20.50 | Navi | chx, if you want my answer, it would be I don't know. I do know you could compile it yourself, though. |
| 20:21.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:22.16 | chx | this is http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=170 what the N810 should be. |
| 20:22.23 | penguinbait | I know there was apache, not sure if its still around, but it was very trimmed down |
| 20:22.30 | summatusmentis | I'm worried that the N8x0 tablets don't have the software repos that the Zaurus line do. Is there someplace I can search through software repos? |
| 20:22.47 | Navi | summatusmentis, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 20:22.54 | Navi | don't know if it's up, though |
| 20:23.03 | Navi | It's been down for the last few days |
| 20:23.05 | penguinbait | was down yesterday |
| 20:23.07 | KotCzarny | no price |
| 20:23.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:23.12 | summatusmentis | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: curl_init() in /var/www/gronmayer.com/htdocs/it/_init/functions.inc.php on line 227 :) |
| 20:23.56 | chx | http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/m528-pricing-drops-into-the-safety-zone-expect-750-in-the-us/ |
| 20:24.15 | KotCzarny | 420$ |
| 20:24.21 | KotCzarny | preorder |
| 20:24.22 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 20:24.26 | Navi | chx, I don't agree that the Gigabyte MID is what the N810 "should" be, but this is just one man's opinion. |
| 20:24.39 | chx | at least I have no doubt what software is available and what's compilable |
| 20:24.49 | chx | I am running x86 linux longer than i am comfortable to remember :) |
| 20:25.08 | KotCzarny | nice that it has 512mb or mem |
| 20:25.09 | KotCzarny | though |
| 20:25.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:25.17 | penguinbait | chx, its all available, if you make it available |
| 20:25.35 | chx | i guess there is a cross compiler environment available? |
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| 20:25.38 | chx | maybe an emulator? |
| 20:25.43 | Navi | chx, yes |
| 20:25.44 | chx | so that i can test? |
| 20:25.46 | KotCzarny | there is native gcc |
| 20:25.48 | KotCzarny | too |
| 20:26.02 | KotCzarny | chx: search for maemo sdk |
| 20:26.10 | penguinbait | If I can get KDE and CUPS working, you should be able to make a LAMP stack |
| 20:26.18 | KotCzarny | there is installation kit and vmware image too |
| 20:26.21 | ReKlipz | Hey everyone, I'm working on a project that will be based on the Nokia n810. I'm currently running Debian Lenny amd64, and am wondering how I can get the maemo 4 sdk up and running. |
| 20:26.23 | chx | i was waiting for long for the freedom slim keyboard to get out from vaporware state. would be nice the N800 and that. |
| 20:26.38 | penguinbait | skip the vmware mess, just my personal opinion |
| 20:26.48 | Navi | chx, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ |
| 20:26.51 | chx | penguinbait: HAHA you compiled KDE on _that_ ? |
| 20:26.55 | Navi | You could always use a cheap USB keyboard. |
| 20:27.00 | penguinbait | I love my 810 keyboard |
| 20:27.07 | Navi | and he compiled _for_ the N8X0 |
| 20:27.10 | chx | Navi: show me a N800-sized keyboad. |
| 20:27.15 | ReKlipz | penguinbait: was taht directed towards me? |
| 20:27.24 | penguinbait | original version ran on 770 |
| 20:27.24 | cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, What settings does this monitor beside brightness? |
| 20:27.34 | cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, any? |
| 20:27.38 | Navi | not on it. Would be ages before the N8X0 finishes compiling KDE |
| 20:27.53 | qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, display and backlight timeouts |
| 20:27.57 | chx | penguinbait: and the running speed...? you click button, make coffee , drink it, come back, system reacts? |
| 20:27.58 | penguinbait | NO, I compiled in scratchbox, not on device |
| 20:28.17 | qwerty12_N800 | i need to add lcuk's cpufreq mod into acmonitor soon |
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| 20:28.34 | chx | I ran KDE on my Celeron 400 192M old laptop . Was fun. |
| 20:28.41 | ReKlipz | anyone willing to help me get maemo 4 setup on amd64, or is it even possible? |
| 20:28.57 | chx | running it on Tank is much more fun, though. |
| 20:29.26 | chx | speaking of that |
| 20:29.26 | chx | how ... sturdy is the N8x0 ? |
| 20:29.26 | Navi | I'm running openbox on debian at the moment. Now there's something that's fun. |
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| 20:29.46 | penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/kdes.png |
| 20:29.48 | Navi | chx, people drop it all the time. It scratches easily but I haven't heard of anyone breaking it |
| 20:30.14 | penguinbait | I have a n800 with broken stand and back cover latch |
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| 20:30.23 | Navi | penguinbait, ha |
| 20:30.25 | penguinbait | dropped it many times, still works great |
| 20:30.27 | chx | Navi: pretty good. i would not expect to take the beating my laptop can take (why do you think I call it Tank :) it's a panasonic toughbook) but it's good news. |
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| 20:30.45 | Navi | I drop it all the time onto tile flooring from the counter |
| 20:30.52 | KotCzarny | brute |
| 20:30.52 | Navi | I freak out every time I do, but it's fine |
| 20:31.02 | chx | i guess lack of moving parts make it less likely to break it |
| 20:31.06 | chx | what about the screen? |
| 20:31.13 | chx | what protects the screen when you drop it? |
| 20:31.14 | ReKlipz | would anyone mind helping me setup maemo4 sdk? |
| 20:31.24 | Navi | chx, it's beveled inwards a little |
| 20:31.30 | penguinbait | I have a scratch in my 800, I always now use my cover on my 810 |
| 20:31.39 | penguinbait | keys in my pocket scratched it |
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| 20:31.42 | Navi | so it won't make direct contact unless the floor is jagged |
| 20:31.52 | chx | ah |
| 20:31.53 | Navi | a screen protector would be nice, though |
| 20:32.39 | Grackle | I dropped my N800 once. "Hey Rick, look a-- SHIT!" *drops and battery goes flying* |
| 20:32.47 | Navi | Heh |
| 20:32.53 | penguinbait | ReKlips, are you using the install scripts? |
| 20:33.06 | ReKlipz | penguinbait: they wont work because IO |
| 20:33.06 | KotCzarny | i think flying battery is a good thing, momentum taken away from device ;) |
| 20:33.12 | ReKlipz | because I'm using amd64 |
| 20:33.16 | Grackle | I dropped my laptop in that class too, heh. |
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| 20:33.38 | KotCzarny | reklipz: does vmware work on amd64 ? |
| 20:33.39 | Navi | Oh, weird |
| 20:33.46 | Grackle | dropped an open hp dv500t with 12 cell battery.. it landed face down, hard |
| 20:33.50 | penguinbait | vmware probably best bet |
| 20:34.05 | ReKlipz | KotCzarny: yes it does, and i have it up and running, so a VM eh? no real amd64 support? |
| 20:34.13 | Navi | ReKlipz, nah |
| 20:34.23 | KotCzarny | reklipz: maybe trying building it from scratch.. |
| 20:34.38 | Navi | ReKlipz, Nokia didn't think too far ahead with the SDK, it seems |
| 20:34.38 | RST38h | remembers trying to drop an IBM RS6000 and a 70kg monitor it came with |
| 20:34.38 | ReKlipz | KotCzarny: ok, debian has a scratchbox2 package |
| 20:34.43 | Grackle | ReKlipz: Does your processor support virtualization? |
| 20:34.45 | KotCzarny | i think people tried it, don't know about results |
| 20:34.48 | RST38h | Badly needed to get rid of the box |
| 20:34.54 | ReKlipz | Grackle, i believe so |
| 20:34.55 | Navi | RST38h, box? |
| 20:35.18 | Grackle | ReKlipz: I would use the vmware appliance then. It makes life easy. |
| 20:35.22 | KotCzarny | 70kg? |
| 20:35.26 | KotCzarny | that's more than me |
| 20:35.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:35.32 | RST38h | Navi: it was an ibm-gray colored box the size of two full size pc tower cases |
| 20:35.41 | ReKlipz | KotCzarny: I'll try compiling from source, then, Grackle, if that doesnt work, a VM it is. |
| 20:36.05 | RST38h | Kot: We actually made bets if dropping it from a window will register as a minor earthquake |
| 20:36.19 | KotCzarny | very minor |
| 20:36.23 | KotCzarny | probably undetectable |
| 20:36.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:36.26 | RST38h | yea, but still |
| 20:36.52 | RST38h | never got lost. never broke. never fell out of a window. |
| 20:36.53 | Grackle | ReKlipz: Okay. The vm is nice though. With open-vm-tools, you can copy and paste between OSs, drag the mouse in between them, etc. It's very easy to deal with. I have two monitors, and I just run the appliance full screen on one. |
| 20:37.09 | KotCzarny | hard to misplace 70kg monster |
| 20:37.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:37.23 | KotCzarny | and won't fit on most desks too |
| 20:37.53 | RST38h | it fit all right |
| 20:38.08 | KotCzarny | exclusively? |
| 20:38.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:38.18 | Grackle | 70kg sounds a bit much |
| 20:38.21 | RST38h | required a kick with a foot every morning (one of hds had trouble starting) |
| 20:38.42 | KotCzarny | keeps user in shape? |
| 20:38.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:38.50 | RST38h | Grackle: it was a huge cubic-shaped CRT thing |
| 20:39.06 | KotCzarny | had 19" 30kg crt, once |
| 20:39.09 | Grackle | Oh, I see, it was an all in one device? |
| 20:39.19 | chx | heh, at a local dorm they had a fun series of contests every year , and one of the tasks was to simulate a nuclear explosion, so the kids grabbed a bedsheet to cover themselves, grabbed the fireaxe and some old, old tv and booom! others simply dropped the tv from the 12th floor. |
| 20:39.28 | RST38h | larger than normal, pretty much like 1.5 22" SUN CRTs |
| 20:39.58 | RST38h | TV does not blow up well enouh |
| 20:40.02 | Grackle | that's pretty ridiculous |
| 20:40.11 | RST38h | tell them to do it on a Li battery next time |
| 20:40.36 | RST38h | make sure they place it into a pool of water and apply the axe to it |
| 20:40.41 | Grackle | wait till one year when some smartass detonates a small thermonuclear device |
| 20:41.02 | KotCzarny | or building's gas installation |
| 20:41.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:41.11 | RST38h | that is what I call "mean" |
| 20:41.26 | RST38h | and predictable |
| 20:41.34 | KotCzarny | and stupid |
| 20:41.51 | glass | everything worth enough doing just for the fun of it is stupid |
| 20:41.53 | Grackle | Mmm, yes, fire up an oxy-acetylene torch, extinguish the flame, and fill a trash bag. That'll blow out every window in sight. |
| 20:42.07 | RST38h | but dropping a package of aluminium paint off the 5th floor and lighting it up somewhere around 4th floor should do the job |
| 20:42.34 | KotCzarny | why around 4th, make a fireball |
| 20:42.34 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:42.37 | RST38h | won't blow every window in sight, but will leave a lot of people without sight |
| 20:42.51 | RST38h | Kot: You want stuff to spread in the air, or it won't flash well |
| 20:42.57 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 20:42.58 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 20:43.04 | RST38h | kinda like those vacuum bombs |
| 20:43.07 | chx | hm, i just was telling a story |
| 20:43.28 | RST38h | chx: see how helpful we all are? |
| 20:43.32 | KotCzarny | how about those paint sprayer addons? |
| 20:43.38 | penguinbait | I have a potatoe cannon |
| 20:43.42 | chx | this channel is logged |
| 20:43.42 | RST38h | not sure if they will work |
| 20:44.06 | chx | so i won't go further into this topic :) |
| 20:44.11 | Grackle | hah |
| 20:44.12 | penguinbait | logged and posted for the whole world to see |
| 20:44.23 | RST38h | depends on what the silvery stuff is (has to be metal) and what the filler is |
| 20:44.40 | Grackle | I never built a potato cannon, but I built a small pneumatic cannon with a 3/4" barrel |
| 20:44.53 | KotCzarny | potato canon can be dangerous |
| 20:44.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:45.15 | Navi | chx, we know it's logged, but we could care less :D |
| 20:45.19 | Grackle | They're not too bad. It's usually the people that are using them that can be dangerous. |
| 20:45.23 | penguinbait | yes, adding glass or rocks is very bad |
| 20:45.33 | penguinbait | of course a deadly potatoe is no better |
| 20:45.41 | Grackle | :/ PVC doesn't stand up well to stress like that |
| 20:45.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:45.52 | penguinbait | sure it does :) |
| 20:45.58 | Grackle | It shatters, so putting rocks and glass through it probably isn't a good idea |
| 20:46.14 | Grackle | I think you meant "sure it did" |
| 20:46.14 | KotCzarny | otoh, it is |
| 20:46.16 | penguinbait | depends on whos after you :) |
| 20:46.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:49.06 | summatusmentis | so the cross compile env for the N8x0 series is called sandbox? |
| 20:49.10 | summatusmentis | how does it work? |
| 20:49.13 | ReKlipz | Grackle: I'm gonna use virtualbox isntead of vmware |
| 20:49.28 | KotCzarny | sandbox? |
| 20:49.35 | qwerty12_N800 | I have a couple of tasers made from disposeable cameras. on same note, my friend got banned from post office... |
| 20:49.42 | qwerty12_N800 | scratchbox |
| 20:49.48 | summatusmentis | oh right, scratchbox |
| 20:49.50 | n800n | ooohhh k |
| 20:50.09 | Grackle | ReKlipz: Hm, okay. I don't know how you're going to conver the image to virtualbox, but if you can, more power to you. |
| 20:50.26 | summatusmentis | KotCzarny: sorry, I don't have a N8x0, I'm debating whether or not to sell my Zaurus c3200, and purchase an N810 |
| 20:50.27 | ReKlipz | Grackle: what image? |
| 20:50.36 | KotCzarny | why sell, have both |
| 20:50.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.45 | Grackle | http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/702 ReKlipz |
| 20:50.47 | summatusmentis | == college student |
| 20:50.59 | ReKlipz | lol, awesome |
| 20:51.21 | summatusmentis | so, that's why sell :) |
| 20:51.28 | Grackle | Yeah, haha, I realized nobody told you about that |
| 20:51.32 | Grackle | thought you knew |
| 20:51.39 | ReKlipz | Grackle: I was just gonna install debian and then setup the environment with the .sh scripts |
| 20:51.52 | Grackle | This way is easier. Includes docs, too! |
| 20:51.56 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 20:52.04 | Grackle | You'll be up and running in no time. |
| 20:52.10 | KotCzarny | i thought it was self explanatory, when i said vmware image |
| 20:52.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:52.12 | summatusmentis | KotCzarny: well, being a college studen, and being fed up with Angstrom |
| 20:52.18 | KotCzarny | i should be more specific next time :) |
| 20:52.23 | penguinbait | Not sure if the vmware appliance will work for you? I tried it on a laptop with mobile CPU and it would not work for me? |
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| 20:52.27 | n800n | what's the best way to code for maemo if they don't have a tablet? |
| 20:52.39 | KotCzarny | summatusmentis: :) |
| 20:52.45 | KotCzarny | n800n: maemo sdk |
| 20:52.46 | Grackle | penguinbait: He has an amd64 |
| 20:52.52 | penguinbait | with or without it would be scratchbox/sdk |
| 20:53.13 | n800n | is there an emulator? |
| 20:53.19 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:53.24 | KotCzarny | included afair |
| 20:53.26 | Grackle | yes, that's part of the scratchbox system |
| 20:53.31 | n800n | cool |
| 20:53.39 | Grackle | n800n: See the vmware appliance I linked |
| 20:53.50 | Grackle | That is the best way to get started. |
| 20:54.06 | zap | Anybody can explain why gstreamer takes 20% CPU to play an ogg file, and mplayer does the same with just 0.3% ? |
| 20:54.08 | penguinbait | well, I could not use it because my CPU was mobile, he may have the same issue with the AMD? |
| 20:54.17 | Grackle | Install vmware. Boot image. Congratulations, you have a working build environment for the IT. |
| 20:54.43 | Grackle | penguinbait: His supports virtualization. |
| 20:55.02 | KotCzarny | zap: top is not a benchmark |
| 20:55.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:55.14 | zap | yep, but that's quite a difference |
| 20:55.19 | zap | 100 times to be precise |
| 20:55.21 | KotCzarny | zap: if you want real numbers decode file to /dev/null |
| 20:55.57 | KotCzarny | then compare times |
| 20:56.06 | Grackle | hint: use time |
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| 20:56.27 | zap | if I only would understand something in gstreamer |
| 20:56.39 | zap | I just got able to use playbin... |
| 20:57.03 | KotCzarny | you would have to create pipe with filesink at the end |
| 20:57.05 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 20:57.21 | KotCzarny | google for gstlaunch examples |
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| 21:01.10 | Navi | Anyone have a link to fennec handy? |
| 21:03.06 | penguinbait | Ah, then end of another hard day at work!!!! |
| 21:03.19 | KotCzarny | you are ircing from work? |
| 21:03.37 | penguinbait | what else am I supposed to do? |
| 21:03.42 | KotCzarny | working? |
| 21:03.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.07 | penguinbait | I work for a sales org, if they dont sell, I just sit and wait for systems to configure |
| 21:04.14 | JackCrow | If I couldn't IRC from work, I wouldn't IRC at all! |
| 21:04.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.36 | penguinbait | mostly I configure nokia devices :) |
| 21:04.42 | penguinbait | we dont sell those :) |
| 21:04.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:05.03 | penguinbait | and KDE just finished installing on my new partition, how timly |
| 21:05.29 | summatusmentis | how well does KDE work on the N810? |
| 21:05.55 | penguinbait | its a tad slow to start new apps, but they all run well |
| 21:06.19 | Blastur | is it normal that the N810 stops reponding to pings whenever it doesn't use the wifi connection? |
| 21:06.32 | penguinbait | no its your AP |
| 21:06.41 | KotCzarny | blastur: probably you have wifi idle on? |
| 21:06.50 | Blastur | how can i disable wifi idle? |
| 21:07.02 | KotCzarny | in connections window |
| 21:07.02 | JackCrow | you can set an idle time |
| 21:07.11 | Blastur | i have "unlimited" |
| 21:07.11 | penguinbait | I had to buy newer AP |
| 21:07.17 | summatusmentis | what hildon? the backend WM? |
| 21:07.21 | KotCzarny | try lowering pwoer saving then |
| 21:07.37 | KotCzarny | power |
| 21:07.40 | Blastur | penguinbait: ive tried 2 APs now, both were flashed with OpenWRT |
| 21:07.55 | Blastur | KotCzarny: where do i control that stuff? |
| 21:08.19 | penguinbait | I had 810.11b linksys, always had problems even with dlink firmware, I got a netgear 802.11b/g and its working perfectly |
| 21:08.21 | KotCzarny | blastur: when you configure ap, next all the way to the end and click advanced |
| 21:08.26 | penguinbait | no more ping scripts |
| 21:08.52 | penguinbait | If its an old AP, you might not be able to fix it |
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| 21:10.12 | Blastur | how significant impact does completely disabling power saving on wifi have? |
| 21:10.27 | JackCrow | could try openwrt if there is an image for your AP. If the manufacturer is not suporting it anymore, replacement firmware might be the way to go |
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| 21:10.44 | Blastur | JackCrow, im running kamikaze 7.09 |
| 21:11.13 | KotCzarny | blastur: hmm, sometimes it just hangs |
| 21:11.17 | KotCzarny | ie. wifi in my n800 |
| 21:11.32 | KotCzarny | usually when moving much data via sshfs |
| 21:11.45 | Blastur | hangs as in unrecoverable? |
| 21:11.50 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:11.56 | KotCzarny | i have to reconnect via systray |
| 21:12.13 | KotCzarny | wifi only, sshfs resumes automatically |
| 21:12.24 | Blastur | well, the power savings trick seems to do a lot of good |
| 21:12.42 | lopz | bye |
| 21:12.43 | Blastur | i think it is confusing for other parties of the n810 goes away for a while |
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| 21:13.36 | zap | Unfortunately, mplayer cannot play audio without timer sync :( |
| 21:13.57 | KotCzarny | zap: try another -ao ? |
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| 21:14.27 | tank-man | blastur, http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/images/very-important-piechart.png |
| 21:14.56 | zap | KotCzarny: -ao null, in vain |
| 21:15.32 | zap | aha, -ao pcm writes to a file |
| 21:15.33 | Blastur | hmm, ok.. so its significant then |
| 21:15.44 | Blastur | what do you guys recommend as a "stable" AP for n810? |
| 21:15.56 | Blastur | one that can handle the aggresive power saving features |
| 21:17.25 | tank-man | whats the original problem? can't ping the n810? |
| 21:17.53 | zap | Okay, so benchmarks shows that mplayer is "only" 42% faster than gstream: 46.7s vs 32.8s |
| 21:17.55 | Blastur | the original problem is that the wifi connection stops working after a while (even though it says "connected" and signal strength is good) |
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| 21:18.15 | Blastur | and i cant browse the web on my n810 |
| 21:18.18 | KotCzarny | zap: so it's not 100x :) |
| 21:18.27 | zap | um |
| 21:18.41 | cjohnson | Blastur, sadly, I know quite a few wireless devices that cause that. Many wireless adapters, and even many waps cause it |
| 21:18.49 | zap | I'd say if somebody could speedup ogg decoding by 42% by using, say, DSP, everybody would say "Yahoo!" |
| 21:19.16 | Blastur | cjohnson, how do you mean? is it the n810 thats causing it, or my other wlan equipment? |
| 21:19.30 | JackCrow | My thinkpad was like that at school, but worked fine at home. I think you can just run into inconsistencies when mixing vendors |
| 21:19.31 | Blastur | cause wifi is kindof very critical to this device ;) |
| 21:22.11 | tank-man | maybe your router's firmware needs updating |
| 21:24.17 | Blastur | maybe.. though, the router runs an opensource system called openwrt, which is pretty well maintained and active in bug fixing etc |
| 21:24.28 | Blastur | im gonna sleep on this ;) gnite! and thanks for your thoughts |
| 21:24.30 | Blastur | cya |
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| 21:29.00 | alech | Hi, anyone responsible for garage.maemo.org here? |
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| 21:33.26 | hagna | can I develop for maemo to see if I can write stuff for a nokia tablet before I actually buy one? |
| 21:33.39 | NullM0dem | yes with the SDK |
| 21:33.39 | KotCzarny | maemo sdk |
| 21:33.49 | KotCzarny | ~maemo sdk |
| 21:33.57 | KotCzarny | bot died? |
| 21:34.00 | KotCzarny | ~sdk |
| 21:34.00 | infobot | Software Development Kit |
| 21:34.04 | hagna | infobot: thanks |
| 21:34.04 | infobot | hagna: no problem |
| 21:34.05 | NullM0dem | just slow |
| 21:34.13 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:34.15 | NullM0dem | bot needs tea |
| 21:34.22 | KotCzarny | bot needs prodding |
| 21:34.40 | NullM0dem | sic beastie on it |
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| 21:35.06 | briand | 1 |
| 21:39.09 | tank-man | 2 |
| 21:39.23 | KotCzarny | 3, i win |
| 21:39.39 | n800n | does maemo do alsa? |
| 21:39.45 | KotCzarny | kind of |
| 21:40.08 | n800n | how come |
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| 21:41.22 | n800n | i mean |
| 21:41.26 | n800n | is it a bitch? |
| 21:41.44 | NullM0dem | it was a few years back on any machine |
| 21:42.03 | n800n | cairo works right? |
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| 21:52.47 | n800n | canola doesn't do gif ? |
| 21:53.04 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.12 | kenne | only if you compile efl with support for it |
| 21:53.25 | KotCzarny | though they are after work by now |
| 21:53.32 | lardman | is concerned that what was nice clean code, is now messy |
| 21:53.53 | KotCzarny | lardman: as long it works.. ;) |
| 21:53.57 | NullM0dem | noo0o |
| 21:54.04 | KotCzarny | make many comments though |
| 21:54.05 | n800n | i think i've reached kot's limit of noob questions. |
| 21:54.23 | lardman | Well that's the big question; I have to do lots of bit shifting to handle what was a buffer of 8bit chars but it now 16bit chars |
| 21:54.26 | KotCzarny | n800n: i just don't know :) |
| 21:54.59 | NullM0dem | Im guilty of noobness, i started working too much overtime and im retarded at this time.... no time for my n810 :-( |
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| 21:55.27 | Knirch | find a way of making the n810 part of your job |
| 21:55.41 | KotCzarny | salesman? :> |
| 21:55.49 | n800n | finnish |
| 21:56.02 | zap | Is there a normal version of gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-osso ? It looks like the package from Nokia is very castrated, decodes only MPEG1 |
| 21:56.21 | zap | perhaps due to legal issues |
| 21:56.28 | KotCzarny | zap: debian.org ? |
| 21:56.33 | zap | %-O |
| 21:56.34 | pupnik810 | i want a job crawling under secretaries desks again |
| 21:56.35 | KotCzarny | maybe they have packages for armel |
| 21:56.36 | zap | will it work? |
| 21:56.44 | KotCzarny | as long it's armel, sure |
| 21:56.51 | NullM0dem | pupnik810:who doesent |
| 21:57.09 | KotCzarny | doesn't |
| 21:57.40 | pupnik810 | prob is when the boxen run windos |
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| 21:58.05 | KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.newstalk980.com/incoming/20080221/unbelievable |
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| 22:00.45 | pupnik810 | sounds like a typical person on irc eh |
| 22:00.56 | KotCzarny | pupnik, heh, read the whole story |
| 22:01.23 | NullM0dem | good story |
| 22:03.10 | pupnik810 | yaay for internets and computers |
| 22:03.21 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 22:03.39 | KotCzarny | though i would like her to go somewhere else than msn |
| 22:04.27 | pupnik810 | she types better than most kids on youtube |
| 22:04.40 | n800n | hehe |
| 22:05.13 | pupnik810 | might be a fake story of course |
| 22:05.15 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 22:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | YouTube is disturbing |
| 22:05.32 | n800n | i've heard of that before |
| 22:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'm amazed at the levels of stupidity that can be found there. |
| 22:05.40 | summatusmentis | lardman: you used to use Zauriii right? |
| 22:05.41 | lardman | Anyone fancy looking at some changes made to an SBC encoder to handle 16bit rather than 8bit chars? |
| 22:05.48 | lardman | summatusmentis: yes |
| 22:06.02 | summatusmentis | do you still? why'd you change? |
| 22:06.06 | pupnik810 | sbc ? |
| 22:06.19 | lardman | summatusmentis: larger screen, built-in wifi |
| 22:06.23 | lardman | ~sbc |
| 22:06.29 | lardman | come on infobot! |
| 22:06.37 | KotCzarny | infobot is sloppy today |
| 22:06.38 | pupnik810 | sokay |
| 22:06.51 | lardman | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/sbc.html |
| 22:06.52 | summatusmentis | lardman: and has the NIT been everything your Z used to be? |
| 22:07.20 | lardman | summatusmentis: yes, though in the first instance I missed the software available from OE |
| 22:07.40 | lardman | summatusmentis: but we can now build for Maemo from OE, so that's not an issue |
| 22:08.16 | pupnik810 | update yer ssh btw |
| 22:08.21 | summatusmentis | lardman: so do you think that had you used OE for your Z, you would've kept it? |
| 22:08.27 | lardman | summatusmentis: The only other minor issue is that any other GUIs aren't so well developed; presumably people are partly put off by the closedness of some components |
| 22:08.37 | lardman | s/developed/debugged |
| 22:08.40 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 22:09.01 | lardman | summatusmentis: I did and although I still have it, I wouldn't think of going back |
| 22:09.17 | summatusmentis | interesting. The reason I'm interrogating you, considering switching over from my 3200 |
| 22:09.34 | lardman | My latest model was a c750 |
| 22:09.59 | lardman | the N810, with keyboard which was a major pita on the 770/n800, is ideal imho |
| 22:10.10 | summatusmentis | yeah, that's what I'm looking at |
| 22:10.18 | lardman | well, obviously things could always be better - PowerVR driver for example ;), but not too bad |
| 22:10.43 | summatusmentis | and you've never had issues with software? |
| 22:10.52 | summatusmentis | applications for the NIT, etc. |
| 22:11.09 | lardman | hw video accel was not as good on the cxxxx machines as on the cxxx machines, but you may take another step back |
| 22:11.48 | summatusmentis | video accel is bad on the N810's? |
| 22:11.54 | lardman | summatusmentis: I don't tend to use much, I rather tend to fiddle with things. The PIM is as good, I have anything OE will build |
| 22:11.57 | KotCzarny | what video accel? |
| 22:11.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:12.03 | lardman | exactly |
| 22:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | Non existent at the moment. |
| 22:12.06 | summatusmentis | lol, oh |
| 22:12.23 | lardman | screen is also larger, so can suffer from bandwidth issue |
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| 22:12.46 | summatusmentis | so.. mamona isn't a distro, instead it's just building OE stuff? or am I confused? |
| 22:13.10 | lardman | it might be a distro, is not compatible with the standard Maemo install |
| 22:13.16 | n800n | how much space would a KDE install take? |
| 22:13.18 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 22:13.31 | lardman | there is a config option to build for maemo though (in standard OE conf file) |
| 22:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | More than is on the built-in flash, n800n. |
| 22:13.54 | summatusmentis | lardman: interesting |
| 22:13.55 | n800n | i boot off sd card |
| 22:14.08 | lardman | summatusmentis: difficult I know |
| 22:14.16 | n800n | does it need its own partition or does it run inside maemo? |
| 22:14.40 | summatusmentis | lardman: what's difficult? I know how to use OE :) |
| 22:14.46 | n800n | found it |
| 22:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait's got a deb intsall up. |
| 22:15.02 | summatusmentis | wait.. .debs? |
| 22:15.06 | summatusmentis | on maemo? |
| 22:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | It amounts to mobile-debian. |
| 22:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | Uses apt. |
| 22:15.33 | summatusmentis | so then, why are people putting debian on it? |
| 22:15.48 | lardman | summatusmentis: the decision I meant |
| 22:15.56 | summatusmentis | shouldn't we just be able to point it to debain ARMEL repos? |
| 22:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | Because it only amounts to mobile-debian |
| 22:16.03 | summatusmentis | lardman: yeah... I love my Z :) |
| 22:16.05 | GeneralAntilles | it isn't actually Debian. |
| 22:16.13 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 22:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | I wish, summatusmentis. |
| 22:16.26 | KotCzarny | dependency would kill you |
| 22:16.37 | KotCzarny | and there is some breakage lurking |
| 22:16.39 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I misunderstood |
| 22:16.44 | KotCzarny | if you replace some system packages |
| 22:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | One large issue is having Busybox instead of GNUtils |
| 22:17.00 | pupnik810 | we must spread linux to handhelds |
| 22:17.03 | summatusmentis | ugh... not a fan of Busybox |
| 22:17.09 | KotCzarny | it's small |
| 22:17.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, we've only got so much space and RAM to work with. |
| 22:17.30 | summatusmentis | we should really just take over the world, and get rid of these stupid closed source corps |
| 22:17.42 | summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: 2GB for space, 128Mb ram? |
| 22:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | 256MB internal flash |
| 22:17.52 | KotCzarny | 2gb if you boot off it |
| 22:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | 128MB RAM |
| 22:17.59 | KotCzarny | by default it's vfat |
| 22:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | The 2GB is a soldered-on SD card. |
| 22:18.14 | pupnik810 | that is a problem |
| 22:18.14 | summatusmentis | oh, but that's possible to boot off of? |
| 22:18.21 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:18.32 | pupnik810 | yes with changes |
| 22:18.35 | summatusmentis | can you create a loop image to boot from? |
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| 22:18.42 | KotCzarny | loop? |
| 22:18.52 | summatusmentis | yeah, a loop-back file |
| 22:18.56 | KotCzarny | what for? |
| 22:19.09 | pupnik810 | i would suggest 2x micro sdhc for n900 with boot from sd by default |
| 22:19.12 | summatusmentis | so that you don't need to reformat the entire 2GB to ext2 |
| 22:19.29 | KotCzarny | you can partition that 2gb |
| 22:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | Partition it. . . . |
| 22:19.35 | KotCzarny | it's seen as regular sd card |
| 22:19.36 | summatusmentis | oh, hrr |
| 22:19.51 | summatusmentis | and then there are extra microSD ports? |
| 22:19.57 | KotCzarny | 1 |
| 22:20.04 | summatusmentis | ok, that's fine |
| 22:20.12 | KotCzarny | vs 2 regular size sd slots on n800 |
| 22:20.15 | KotCzarny | n800 ftw! |
| 22:20.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:20.26 | summatusmentis | the n800 didn't have 2GB though? |
| 22:20.32 | KotCzarny | but has 2 slots |
| 22:20.34 | pupnik810 | CF forevah! |
| 22:20.38 | KotCzarny | and 2gb is like 9$ |
| 22:20.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:21.02 | summatusmentis | does the n810 have usb host? |
| 22:21.11 | KotCzarny | unpowered |
| 22:21.14 | KotCzarny | ie. 100mA |
| 22:21.18 | summatusmentis | like the Z, ok |
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| 22:21.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's OTG |
| 22:21.52 | summatusmentis | hpw does that differ? |
| 22:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | You can switch modes with a properly grounded cable. |
| 22:22.10 | KotCzarny | or software |
| 22:22.32 | summatusmentis | oh, host vs "slave"(don't know what it's called) |
| 22:22.33 | summatusmentis | cool |
| 22:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | client |
| 22:22.49 | summatusmentis | that would make sense |
| 22:23.35 | summatusmentis | see, I don't know if the Z had that. The software seemed to think it did, but I don't know for sure |
| 22:24.36 | summatusmentis | how do people get around not having a tab key? |
| 22:24.51 | KotCzarny | touchscreen |
| 22:24.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:24.58 | pupnik810 | mapping tab to fn+space for me |
| 22:25.32 | summatusmentis | and one doesn't need to hold down the fn key for it to register? |
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| 22:25.49 | summatusmentis | like, <press>fn<release><press>space<release> |
| 22:26.11 | pupnik810 | yes |
| 22:26.13 | MajMin7 | hey i just noticed that the N810/800 repositories at gronmayer.com/it are down |
| 22:26.34 | MajMin7 | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 22:26.46 | MajMin7 | anyone know what this is about? |
| 22:26.59 | summatusmentis | I'm heavily leaning towards buying an n810... anyone want a Zaurus c3200? :-D |
| 22:27.19 | KotCzarny | try #zaurus ? |
| 22:27.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:27.25 | MajMin7 | is there an alternate location for repositories? |
| 22:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | MajMin7, his website is having trouble. |
| 22:27.43 | MajMin7 | yea |
| 22:27.50 | summatusmentis | KotCzarny: that's a dead channel. :D |
| 22:27.56 | MajMin7 | this is terrible timing! |
| 22:28.02 | MajMin7 | has this happened before? |
| 22:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's been down before. |
| 22:28.15 | MajMin7 | oh |
| 22:28.16 | Navi | summatusmentis, don't sell your thing |
| 22:28.18 | GeneralAntilles | What are you after, anyway? |
| 22:28.22 | MajMin7 | uhm |
| 22:28.28 | KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av9bJ_6VSGc |
| 22:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | 95% of the stuff you need is in Extras. |
| 22:28.34 | summatusmentis | Navi: but... but... then i won't be able to afford the n810? |
| 22:28.39 | MajMin7 | i need to get ssh-server and also gainroot |
| 22:28.42 | MajMin7 | thats it |
| 22:28.47 | MajMin7 | are they in extras? |
| 22:28.50 | summatusmentis | Navi: I'm going through the 'poor college student' phase of my life right now |
| 22:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | Extras and nitapps.com |
| 22:28.55 | MajMin7 | ohhhh |
| 22:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Use easyroot |
| 22:28.59 | Navi | summatusmentis, :P |
| 22:29.02 | sp3000 | pupnik810: ohh don't make me google for it |
| 22:29.03 | MajMin7 | ahh lifesaver |
| 22:29.04 | NullM0dem | summatusmentus: I love my n810 it has almost a 2week uptime :) |
| 22:29.12 | MajMin7 | let me try that |
| 22:29.13 | MajMin7 | thanks |
| 22:29.19 | tank-man | if you are poor, you should be looking at the n800 instead of the n810 |
| 22:29.40 | NullM0dem | i am poor, i saved up |
| 22:29.46 | pupnik810 | sry sp3000 |
| 22:29.46 | summatusmentis | tank-man: hardware keyboard is a must |
| 22:29.54 | KotCzarny | bt? |
| 22:29.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:30.00 | KotCzarny | has igo ultra slim |
| 22:30.00 | tank-man | usb keyboard :) |
| 22:30.02 | pupnik810 | bt ftw |
| 22:30.38 | summatusmentis | also, going to a workshop where I can get the n810 for $380 |
| 22:30.52 | KotCzarny | got n800 for 150$ |
| 22:31.15 | summatusmentis | well lah-di-dah! :) |
| 22:31.34 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:31.48 | KotCzarny | and bt kb for 25$ |
| 22:32.34 | summatusmentis | bt kb doesn't work when you're walking around though, unless I'm not understanding what this thing looks like |
| 22:32.35 | KotCzarny | then you can use osk |
| 22:32.41 | KotCzarny | it's hard to type when you walking with hw kb too |
| 22:32.41 | NullM0dem | osk is decent |
| 22:32.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.57 | KotCzarny | *you are |
| 22:33.16 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.17 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.18 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:33.19 | summatusmentis | is ebay down for others? |
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| 22:33.34 | summatusmentis | wait, fixed |
| 22:33.35 | KotCzarny | works for me |
| 22:33.37 | NullM0dem | nice quote |
| 22:35.38 | summatusmentis | KotCzarny: well, yeah, but easier thank a bt keyboard |
| 22:35.48 | sp3000 | pupnik810: s'ok ;) |
| 22:35.56 | sp3000 | finds /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 and wins |
| 22:36.35 | summatusmentis | hrm... |
| 22:36.56 | summatusmentis | KotCzarny: now you've gotten me all confused... I knew what I wanted, and now you've made me re-think it! |
| 22:38.03 | MajMin7 | hey, is it possible to copy ssh-server off of one N810 and onto another? |
| 22:38.05 | sp3000 | dunno, built in hwkb wins for me |
| 22:38.05 | pupnik810 | n810 |
| 22:38.25 | lardman | summatusmentis: go with built-in |
| 22:38.30 | pupnik810 | best for ultraportable |
| 22:38.30 | sp3000 | also, sun-compatible screen |
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| 22:38.58 | tank-man | the soft case for the n810 is better than the one included with the n800 too |
| 22:39.01 | pupnik810 | but bt is better if you have a table |
| 22:39.19 | sp3000 | onscreen fkb is fine ebough to type on, but the way it takes you out of the context of the app is annoying |
| 22:39.23 | KotCzarny | bt is reusable |
| 22:39.27 | KotCzarny | with a phone/laptop etc |
| 22:39.49 | lardman | pupnik810: full size kb & x2x or the like ;) |
| 22:40.02 | NullM0dem | MajMin: that would be rough, you would have to know what the deb installs and where, also need to regen your keys. Im not sure if the n810 stores the .deb you may be able to just copy theat |
| 22:40.06 | NullM0dem | *that |
| 22:40.20 | MajMin7 | ahhhh |
| 22:40.23 | MajMin7 | i was afraid of that |
| 22:40.35 | NullM0dem | offline? |
| 22:40.39 | lardman | sp3000: going back and using the onscreen job on the n800 while doing some dev work is stepping back a fair few steos; for me at least |
| 22:40.50 | MajMin7 | the only source I know for ssh-server is gronmayer.com. I havent found it elsewhere yet |
| 22:40.56 | MajMin7 | is there another source? |
| 22:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras, MajMin7 . . . like I said. :\ |
| 22:41.14 | NullM0dem | goto extras; |
| 22:41.14 | MajMin7 | oh wait |
| 22:41.17 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer isn't a source for anything. |
| 22:41.18 | MajMin7 | i over looked it maybe |
| 22:41.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a list of maemo repos. |
| 22:41.23 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 22:41.27 | KotCzarny | majmin: enable extras |
| 22:41.27 | sp3000 | sleeps |
| 22:41.31 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 22:41.41 | KotCzarny | then just install it with app-man or apt-get |
| 22:41.42 | MajMin7 | sorry sorry . im a bit out of it today |
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| 22:42.55 | MajMin7 | uhm |
| 22:42.58 | MajMin7 | enable extras? |
| 22:43.01 | MajMin7 | i dont know what that means |
| 22:43.10 | KotCzarny | go to app-man |
| 22:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | Open Application manager |
| 22:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu |
| 22:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | Tap Tools |
| 22:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | Tap Application Catalogs... |
| 22:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | Edit maemo Extras |
| 22:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | Uncheck disable |
| 22:43.48 | MajMin7 | oh crap |
| 22:43.51 | MajMin7 | i forgot about this |
| 22:44.52 | MajMin7 | there it is. |
| 22:44.53 | MajMin7 | great. |
| 22:44.56 | MajMin7 | thanks so much |
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| 22:48.27 | KotCzarny | http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/14/2008/02/beckhams-chines.html |
| 22:48.33 | KotCzarny | 'now with less lead & toxins' |
| 22:48.34 | KotCzarny | wtf? |
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| 22:49.21 | summatusmentis | lardman: coding w/ osk is a valid point |
| 22:49.43 | n800n | haha |
| 22:49.56 | n800n | less lead and toxins |
| 22:50.21 | n800n | http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/01/reject2.jpg |
| 22:50.22 | n800n | haha |
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| 22:53.49 | PhosphoricX | Hey, I'm thinking about upgrading to OS2008. Any idea how much space it takes when installed? |
| 22:54.06 | KotCzarny | it reformats the flash |
| 22:54.26 | KotCzarny | you can expect ~80-120mb free after that |
| 22:54.36 | PhosphoricX | KotCzarny: I'm just wondering if my flash is big enough, I have the default on the N800 |
| 22:54.41 | KotCzarny | when cloned to sd card it takes ~200-360mb |
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| 22:54.54 | KotCzarny | PhosphoricX: don't worry |
| 22:55.00 | KotCzarny | but do a backup of your stuff |
| 22:55.05 | PhosphoricX | KotCzarny: great thanks! |
| 22:55.12 | KotCzarny | as the 256mb is wiped over |
| 22:55.22 | PhosphoricX | KotCzarny: Good to know, I surely will. |
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| 23:00.31 | lardman | summatusmentis: not even coding, just typing in a term - so much easier with a physical kb |
| 23:01.19 | lardman | and as was said before, some apps resize their view when the on-screen keyboard is used (gnumeric for example) which is sooo annoying |
| 23:01.36 | lardman | late, bed time for me |
| 23:01.38 | lardman | night all |
| 23:01.39 | KotCzarny | lardman: try xvkbd ? :) |
| 23:02.04 | lardman | KotCzarny: would be better, but still lose screen space |
| 23:02.12 | KotCzarny | can be moved out of sight |
| 23:02.19 | KotCzarny | and layout can be changed |
| 23:02.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:02.47 | lardman | if it were transparent like the kb in the original debian build for the sl5500, then perhaps :) |
| 23:02.53 | KotCzarny | yeah |
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| 23:02.57 | KotCzarny | i was thinking about it |
| 23:02.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:03.15 | lardman | I coulnd't go back to a device without a physical kb now though |
| 23:03.19 | KotCzarny | but i haven't found a code to do it |
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| 23:03.35 | lardman | KotCzarny: that was actually vnc iirc |
| 23:03.49 | lardman | kdrive was compiled to output as a vnc server |
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| 23:06.50 | lardman | anyway, night all |
| 23:06.55 | PhosphoricX | l8r |
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| 23:26.40 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.40 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.41 | KotCzarny | heh |
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| 23:30.41 | KotCzarny | http://www.ecojoes.com/styrofoam-cups-vs-paper-cups/ |
| 23:30.42 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 23:37.40 | pupnik | AAAAAAGHGGG i cat > instead of cat >> |
| 23:38.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:38.03 | KotCzarny | bad cat! |
| 23:38.22 | KotCzarny | but not as bad as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FZtmlHwcA |
| 23:38.24 | pupnik | at least i remember most of it |
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