| 00:00.04 | GeneralAntilles | Fail |
| 00:00.12 | Navi | I'm lazy |
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| 00:00.32 | Navi | I'll just finish it off tomorrow |
| 00:00.48 | johnx | alright, then I'll definitely take this opportunity to get some sleep |
| 00:00.51 | johnx | 'night all |
| 00:00.58 | Navi | morning .o/ |
| 00:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
| 00:01.11 | Navi | or is it the afternoon now for you? |
| 00:01.12 | qwerty12-rollin | night |
| 00:01.27 | johnx | Navi, morning but who's counting? |
| 00:01.32 | johnx | sleeps |
| 00:01.33 | Navi | meeeee |
| 00:01.36 | Navi | bye |
| 00:01.44 | qwerty12-rollin | it's 1am here - i *should* be getting sleep |
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| 00:03.11 | Navi | you should :P |
| 00:03.36 | qwerty12-rollin | hehe, yeah :) |
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| 00:11.06 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12-rollin: did they remove whatever it was that you used to figure it out? |
| 00:11.45 | qwerty12-rollin | i dunno |
| 00:14.53 | timelyx | Navi: fwiw, i filed a bug last night (tues) which should delay diablo :) |
| 00:20.28 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, re: the Flash warning enhancement, no, Flashblock does not solve the issue, but something like the Flashblock UI to indicate inline to the user that they're not seeing Flash applets due to Flash being turned off would. |
| 00:21.20 | timelyx | why doesn't flashblock do it? |
| 00:21.32 | timelyx | uses noscript in firefox and has not really used flashblock(ever) |
| 00:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the idea is to indicate to newbies that their Flash isn't working because it's turned off (for whatever reason), not to block Flash. |
| 00:22.16 | timelyx | so... the problem is ... |
| 00:22.19 | timelyx | well, threefold |
| 00:22.45 | timelyx | 1. <object type="application/shockwave-flash"><img src="flash.png" alt="Welcome"></object> |
| 00:22.50 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of people wonder why YouTube doesn't work and don't realize that it's because something turned their Flash off, and a warning would let them know the reason without them having to jump on here, or ITT, or the mailing lists, etc. |
| 00:22.55 | timelyx | if you turn off flash, you must see the image or the alt |
| 00:23.08 | timelyx | if we get this wrong, we fail ACID |
| 00:23.14 | timelyx | failing ACID is really a terrible idea |
| 00:23.33 | timelyx | 2. most geckos rely on xul to provide an info banner which stays visible until you dismiss it |
| 00:23.37 | timelyx | - we don't have xul |
| 00:24.12 | timelyx | - xul is naturally extensible which makes it easy for an extension (noscript, flashblock) to make its own banners for stuff like this |
| 00:24.35 | timelyx | trying to make banners in native code and then exposing them as a scriptable layer is way more effort than we'd consider |
| 00:24.49 | timelyx | we're still hoping to oneday introduce xul to the platform |
| 00:25.25 | elb | doesn't flashblock have the "click here to see your flash applet" thing? |
| 00:25.33 | timelyx | that's what i thought |
| 00:25.36 | timelyx | which is why i'm asking |
| 00:25.43 | elb | whatever I have installed do that |
| 00:25.51 | timelyx | it's possible that the microb port doesn't, but it really should |
| 00:25.59 | elb | s/do/does/ |
| 00:26.07 | elb | infobot: shut up |
| 00:26.07 | infobot | i'm sorry, master elb |
| 00:26.19 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 00:26.25 | timelyx | 3. if you actually intentionally turn off flash (or silverlight, or java, or ...) then you shouldn't be tortured by a stupid message. and writing code to deal with the various don't bother me again cases is very expensive for an edge case. |
| 00:26.51 | timelyx | -- note: i know that flash can go away on its own. per spec, we aren't allowed to show banners when we run out of memory and start killing features (flash, javascript) |
| 00:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | Aha, would memory constraints generally be the only (reasonable) way it can go away on its own? |
| 00:28.09 | timelyx | yes |
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| 00:28.20 | GeneralAntilles | and I assume it comes back on browser restart? |
| 00:28.27 | timelyx | um... :) |
| 00:28.39 | timelyx | iirc there was a time when it didn't |
| 00:28.46 | KotCzarny | no banner, how about 'flash enabled' icon ? |
| 00:28.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:28.49 | timelyx | i believe that for diablo it /should/, but please don't quote me |
| 00:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 00:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yessir |
| 00:28.58 | timelyx | KotCzarny: click the magnifier |
| 00:29.03 | timelyx | click plugins/components |
| 00:29.10 | timelyx | it's either checked, or it isn't |
| 00:29.15 | timelyx | we're not exactly space wealthy |
| 00:29.18 | KotCzarny | 2 clicks vs instant info |
| 00:29.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:29.34 | timelyx | if you've seen the rotated screen view w/ browser, you'd know just how space poor we are |
| 00:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | The "why doesn't Nokia have Flash" responses to this issue are the most worrisome for me. . . . |
| 00:30.10 | timelyx | and no. adding an indicator for one plugin is a terrible path |
| 00:30.17 | timelyx | it'd be one thing if we were xul, then i wouldn't care |
| 00:30.23 | timelyx | but we aren't |
| 00:30.28 | KotCzarny | timelyx: then status icon ? |
| 00:30.28 | elb | and then PwdHash would work :-P |
| 00:30.34 | timelyx | where? |
| 00:30.48 | KotCzarny | reusable somewhere |
| 00:30.49 | timelyx | what about js, silverlight, mplayer, ...? |
| 00:30.58 | KotCzarny | as i said, reusable |
| 00:31.10 | timelyx | not sure what you mean by that |
| 00:31.12 | KotCzarny | so component enabled/disabled would blink for a second |
| 00:31.16 | KotCzarny | then go away |
| 00:31.19 | timelyx | also, keep in mind that blinking is um, very expensive |
| 00:31.36 | timelyx | we have people who seem to be paid to yell "you're using a timer, that's against the law" |
| 00:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I understand the issues, timelyx, I'll mention it to Krisse. |
| 00:31.49 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 00:32.00 | KotCzarny | blinking is patented? |
| 00:32.02 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 00:32.24 | timelyx | not patented, just patently expensive wrt battery life |
| 00:32.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:32.40 | KotCzarny | if wifi is enabled it doesn't matter anyway |
| 00:32.46 | KotCzarny | not that much :) |
| 00:32.53 | timelyx | anyway, i think you'll find that flashblock if it were installed and flash was enabled, would just work |
| 00:33.34 | timelyx | sadly, given that we're partnered w/ adobe and given that someone thought flash was very valuable, i can't quite imagine shipping flashblock |
| 00:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's not something I think 90% of users would want enabled by default. |
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| 00:34.47 | timelyx | have you tried noscript? |
| 00:34.52 | timelyx | noscript comes w/ a default whitelist |
| 00:35.01 | timelyx | anything off the beaten track encounters a Default=No |
| 00:35.11 | timelyx | but the beaten track covers 90% of my use |
| 00:35.20 | timelyx | the things that aren't are Bugzillas and MXRs |
| 00:35.23 | KotCzarny | well flashblock doesn't disable flash |
| 00:35.25 | timelyx | both of which mostly work w/o js |
| 00:35.37 | KotCzarny | it just stops it from loading instantly |
| 00:35.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:41.42 | dick-richardson | anyone having difficulty w/openvpn recently? |
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| 00:44.57 | Navi | Hey timelyx |
| 00:44.57 | pupnik | http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/11/pandora-prototype-demoed-screen-turns-on/ |
| 00:44.59 | pupnik | Pandora Prototype video. The box takes form |
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| 00:45.23 | timelyx | is still reading the backlong |
| 00:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | Soooo ugly. . . . :P |
| 00:46.42 | dick-richardson | the n800 wouldn't win any beauty contests :P |
| 00:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | Would if it were running against this. |
| 00:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | I like the N800, anyway. |
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| 00:47.32 | KotCzarny | well |
| 00:47.37 | dick-richardson | I really didn't...but it did everything I needed so I was good |
| 00:47.40 | KotCzarny | if it has 3d libs and everything |
| 00:47.46 | KotCzarny | then looks wouldn't matter so much |
| 00:47.53 | KotCzarny | and would be probably modded by fans |
| 00:48.03 | pupnik | pandora might be a viable candidate platform for maemo |
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| 00:48.09 | pupnik | that's the reason i posted the link |
| 00:48.37 | dick-richardson | holy smokes |
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| 00:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Debian + Matchbox/Hildon is the way to do it, pupnik. |
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| 00:49.23 | pupnik | that makes sense GeneralAntilles |
| 00:49.26 | dick-richardson | I'm a fan of the win 3.x series |
| 00:49.32 | dick-richardson | I think there's potential there |
| 00:50.09 | pupnik | either way, the IT community will benefit from pandora software, and hopefully also vice-versa |
| 00:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I think we'll be getting the better end of that deal. :D |
| 00:50.58 | timelyx | johnx: the reason the browser ui is proprietary is depressing |
| 00:51.25 | Navi | he went to bed, but I'll route it to him if you answer :D |
| 00:51.25 | pupnik | ohhhh... n...grrghrlghwatoh |
| 00:51.27 | timelyx | johnx: fwiw, if you want to see old browser ui code, it can be found |
| 00:51.33 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sx8CrVLW8 |
| 00:51.38 | pupnik | final fantasy 7 on pandora |
| 00:51.43 | timelyx | nah, that's all i think i can say publicly |
| 00:51.45 | pupnik | zodttd got it running in like 3 days |
| 00:51.59 | timelyx | if qgil manages to publish a more official statement, i'll confirm it :) |
| 00:52.11 | Navi | yeah, zodttd had the psx4all stuff afterall |
| 00:52.25 | Navi | pupnik, should be easy enough to steal and make ours :) |
| 00:52.30 | Grackle | johnx: what's the root password for the new debian image? |
| 00:52.34 | pupnik | the speed is excellent |
| 00:52.38 | pupnik | daaang |
| 00:52.42 | Grackle | oh nevermind |
| 00:52.45 | Navi | for the N900 anyway |
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| 00:53.10 | timelyx | just uses ssh-keygen -t rsa and then installs http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb |
| 00:53.19 | timelyx | it works nicely for becoming root |
| 00:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's really depressing that browser-ui went proprietary. |
| 00:53.39 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: officially it was never not proprietary |
| 00:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | Could've been quite useful as a mobile-linux browser. |
| 00:53.49 | timelyx | any evidence to the contrary is merely in the imagination :) |
| 00:53.58 | timelyx | (quite vivid, but..) |
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| 00:54.16 | timelyx | personally, i have ZERO love for the browser ui |
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| 00:54.25 | timelyx | and therefore don't really care that it's proprietary |
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| 00:55.41 | Navi | Heh |
| 00:55.44 | Navi | <_< |
| 00:55.53 | Navi | Harsh |
| 00:56.06 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 00:56.13 | KotCzarny | looks like they have 3d accel? |
| 00:56.15 | KotCzarny | or what? |
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| 00:56.42 | pupnik | they do have 3d drivers, but that demo might be software KotCzarny - someone made a very fast software renderer |
| 00:56.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:56.58 | KotCzarny | yeah, it's fast |
| 00:58.12 | KotCzarny | no sound though |
| 00:58.34 | pupnik | he's only had the dev kit for a few days afaik |
| 00:58.39 | Navi | pupnik, stealings for teh N900 |
| 00:58.40 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 00:59.02 | Navi | They have a head start and we get to stealz |
| 00:59.04 | pupnik | the source is closed Navi, i can't say more |
| 00:59.09 | Navi | Ew |
| 00:59.18 | Navi | Attack 'em! |
| 00:59.29 | Navi | They'll probably share if we ask :P |
| 00:59.54 | pupnik | i'm not sure we can even get 30fps doing any emulation on the N8x0 right now |
| 00:59.56 | pupnik | baby steps |
| 01:00.05 | Navi | Not talking about the N8X0 |
| 01:00.13 | Navi | Thinking ahead to the OMAP3 NITs |
| 01:00.16 | pupnik | ah |
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| 01:00.42 | pupnik | omap 2420 should run psx4all playably fast |
| 01:00.52 | Navi | maybe |
| 01:01.55 | pupnik | i can't get my camera to record a sharp video of my n8x0 |
| 01:02.20 | KotCzarny | more light |
| 01:02.33 | pupnik | k will try that |
| 01:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | Better camera! |
| 01:02.43 | Navi | adjust exposure? |
| 01:02.49 | Navi | lmfao |
| 01:02.57 | pupnik | i had brightness all the way up on the screen |
| 01:03.08 | pupnik | but camera has no video macro mode |
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| 01:03.16 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, better camera! :P |
| 01:05.20 | KotCzarny | then move away and zoom in |
| 01:05.29 | KotCzarny | and put both things on desk |
| 01:05.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:05.51 | pupnik | i did that in the video uploaded to youtube, it can only fill about 300x240 of the 640x480 res |
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| 01:18.26 | MajMin7 | ahh |
| 01:18.27 | MajMin7 | so |
| 01:18.35 | MajMin7 | gpsmgr_start always returns -1 |
| 01:18.43 | MajMin7 | isn't this the call that's supposed to get everything moving? |
| 01:19.01 | MajMin7 | or is there some other call that starts the gps daemon? |
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| 01:23.10 | Navi | I can't boot from teh mmc :/ |
| 01:23.16 | KotCzarny | fail |
| 01:23.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:34.41 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 OpenGL ES 2.0 shader effects on OMAP3 |
| 01:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | Saw that a few weeks ago |
| 01:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me a little giddy. |
| 01:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | Happy to know we'll be hearing something about PVR later this year. |
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| 01:37.25 | lcuk | well i cant code any more now for a week |
| 01:38.34 | lcuk | pupnik, would you bring your camera to linuxtag incase i cannot get any footage myself of my software |
| 01:38.56 | pupnik | sure i will do that |
| 01:39.12 | pupnik | but my camera right now is almost useless for filming tablet |
| 01:39.17 | lcuk | its great news about pvr :) |
| 01:39.23 | pupnik | what news |
| 01:39.34 | pupnik | personal video recorder? |
| 01:39.37 | pupnik | or power vr |
| 01:39.52 | lcuk | :P |
| 01:40.01 | pupnik | i must have missed that |
| 01:40.07 | rm_you | ???? |
| 01:40.09 | rm_you | :P |
| 01:40.12 | lcuk | even gen knows |
| 01:40.30 | rm_you | powervr is GOING somewhere maybe? :P |
| 01:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | Quim isn't allowed to say anything right now |
| 01:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | but more information will be forthcoming later this year |
| 01:40.41 | rm_you | ooo so yeah |
| 01:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I suspect that's just the N900. :P |
| 01:40.49 | rm_you | how did the thing with quim go |
| 01:40.52 | rm_you | is there a lot / video? |
| 01:40.53 | pupnik | ok yeah |
| 01:40.54 | rm_you | *log |
| 01:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent |
| 01:41.00 | GeneralAntilles | IRC, rm_you. |
| 01:41.05 | rm_you | ? |
| 01:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | Poor Quim was inundated. |
| 01:41.09 | pupnik | lcuk: what is the deal with tickets? |
| 01:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html |
| 01:41.22 | pupnik | do we need to pre-order for passes to linuxtag? |
| 01:41.28 | lcuk | i dunno, i thought we would get them in germany from quim the night before? |
| 01:41.43 | rm_you | where/when is linuxtag? |
| 01:41.52 | rm_you | germany i'm guessing? |
| 01:42.04 | rm_you | does it stand for LinuxDay? :P |
| 01:42.04 | pupnik | berlin may 28 - 31 |
| 01:42.05 | lcuk | germany in just under 2 weeks |
| 01:42.12 | rm_you | hrm |
| 01:42.20 | rm_you | wonders how much a ticket to Germany would cost |
| 01:42.43 | pupnik | that art otel looks like something from teletubbies lcuk :) but irrelevant... |
| 01:42.59 | lcuk | it does look a bit odd, where are you staying - same? |
| 01:43.19 | pupnik | yes |
| 01:43.35 | lcuk | cool, then beers on wednesday night :) |
| 01:43.44 | pupnik | the S-Bahn station is about three blocks north of it |
| 01:44.10 | rm_you | is jealous |
| 01:44.38 | pupnik | rm_you: where are you? |
| 01:44.46 | MajMin7 | hey lcuk |
| 01:44.48 | lcuk | if you ask quim about tickets, use the maemo dev thing - ask it as a general question maybe? |
| 01:44.54 | lcuk | hi MajMin7 |
| 01:44.56 | MajMin7 | lol |
| 01:45.04 | MajMin7 | yea the saga continues |
| 01:45.06 | MajMin7 | but im getting further |
| 01:45.17 | MajMin7 | i now have code that starts the gpsmgr |
| 01:45.25 | lcuk | well im goin to bed in about 2 minutes, im flying out on holiday tomorrow |
| 01:45.31 | MajMin7 | sok |
| 01:45.46 | lcuk | my thursday deadline is here |
| 01:45.49 | MajMin7 | the maemo-mapper code uses a socket through localhost to talk to the gps |
| 01:45.56 | MajMin7 | do you know if thats common? |
| 01:46.10 | lcuk | thats how maemo-mapper uses it i believe |
| 01:46.11 | MajMin7 | (cause its not working) |
| 01:46.15 | MajMin7 | hmm |
| 01:46.32 | lcuk | have you considered having a look at maemo mapper itself at the core gps bit? |
| 01:47.08 | MajMin7 | yea |
| 01:47.10 | MajMin7 | thats what i have been doing |
| 01:47.15 | MajMin7 | i have emulated their code |
| 01:47.20 | MajMin7 | its just not quite working |
| 01:47.53 | dick-richardson | random hardlocks on my linux box :( |
| 01:47.54 | MajMin7 | in fact, the maemo mapper code is the only reason why i have anything working |
| 01:47.56 | MajMin7 | lol |
| 01:48.39 | rm_you | heh |
| 01:48.50 | rm_you | pupnik: Texas / Washington |
| 01:49.03 | pupnik | bleh ... are you rich or something? |
| 01:49.05 | rm_you | >_> |
| 01:49.08 | rm_you | nah |
| 01:49.13 | rm_you | live in washington |
| 01:49.15 | rm_you | school in texas |
| 01:49.44 | pupnik | ok cause flying out to linuxtag on short notice would be impressive for a student :) |
| 01:49.48 | rm_you | just finished all my finals tho :P |
| 01:49.55 | rm_you | well, i do have a pretty decent paying job |
| 01:50.30 | rm_you | i decided to go to japan last summer to visit johnx, and a month later i was there :P |
| 01:51.16 | rm_you | and finals just ended here, so i was going to have to fly home anyway, and thats like $300 |
| 01:51.30 | rm_you | so i might as well bump it to like $900 and go to germany for a bit :P |
| 01:52.15 | pupnik | would be nice to have you there |
| 01:54.02 | rm_you | how much is it for tickets? |
| 01:54.08 | rm_you | to linuxtag |
| 01:54.54 | rm_you | gah, prices went up a bit... $1200 for the round trip |
| 01:55.56 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:56.06 | KotCzarny | try another line? |
| 01:56.26 | rm_you | that's on like... travelocity |
| 01:56.37 | rm_you | mmm Lufthansa :P |
| 01:57.37 | rm_you | wow |
| 01:57.43 | rm_you | to germany is a longer flight than to japan >_> |
| 01:57.46 | rm_you | i guess that makes sense.... |
| 02:00.36 | rm_you | hrm.... maybe for $1000 even on orbitz |
| 02:01.14 | lcuk | right, gnite pupnik, KotCzarny rm & co |
| 02:01.23 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
| 02:01.25 | rm_you | night |
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| 02:10.40 | MajMin7 | does anyone know what the control socket for the gps does? |
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| 02:13.20 | mschoolbus | hey everyone |
| 02:13.39 | Navi | Anyone know what password johnx set for debian? |
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| 02:19.25 | ricko73 | Navi: my guess is something that is not quite random enough ;) |
| 02:19.42 | mschoolbus | Is there a channel regarding ubuntu on arm/n8x0 ? |
| 02:20.57 | Navi | No |
| 02:26.59 | rm_you | ahhh |
| 02:27.06 | rm_you | "april"? |
| 02:27.07 | rm_you | try that |
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| 02:50.39 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwoTR5kWCQ&feature=related awesome platformer game... watch it all |
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| 03:12.15 | n800n | evince = good? |
| 03:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Fastest PDF reader on the platform |
| 03:12.43 | n800n | safe? |
| 03:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | Uh . . . |
| 03:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it be? |
| 03:14.14 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, it could be a virus |
| 03:14.19 | n800n | less weird sounding apps broke my tablet before |
| 03:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | dunno what weird naming has to do with breaking things. :\ |
| 03:14.53 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, it could be a virus |
| 03:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, you're a virus. |
| 03:15.18 | Navi | Viruses always have weird names |
| 03:15.22 | n800n | i didn't say name |
| 03:17.46 | n800n | whatever. |
| 03:17.59 | rm_you | :P |
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| 03:39.39 | n800n | how do i make xmms not stay on top? |
| 03:39.50 | rm_you | that there's a question :P |
| 03:39.57 | rm_you | hasn't figured it out |
| 03:40.20 | rm_you | i think there's something about turning on window decorations |
| 03:40.27 | rm_you | in one of the menus... lemmie see if i can find the post |
| 03:40.37 | n800n | thanks |
| 03:41.08 | n800n | btw which siund driver is the best? |
| 03:41.13 | n800n | sound |
| 03:41.26 | rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&page=22 |
| 03:41.33 | rm_you | look at qwerty12's posts |
| 03:41.43 | n800n | checkin |
| 03:42.10 | pupnik | can you look at these hd videos and tell me if you think they look ok? http://techvideoblog.com/cebit/odys-cheap-hd-camcorders/ |
| 03:42.14 | rm_you | i think that does something useful |
| 03:42.45 | rm_you | <_< |
| 03:43.37 | pupnik | i don't know much about hd picture quality |
| 03:45.12 | Proteous | luckly pupnik does know loads about how to assemble large structures out of toothpicks |
| 03:45.18 | Proteous | a much more valuable skill |
| 03:45.44 | n800n | is xmms a resource hog? |
| 03:46.06 | pupnik | no |
| 03:46.08 | n800n | seems to stutter every time i touch the screen |
| 03:46.12 | Proteous | depends on how large a resource pool is |
| 03:46.24 | pupnik | no stuttering here |
| 03:46.35 | pupnik | what file format / bitrate |
| 03:46.49 | n800n | streaming off shoutcast |
| 03:46.55 | Proteous | 1280x1080 90FPS |
| 03:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, what's the question? |
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| 03:47.45 | Proteous | I am not a number, I am a free man! |
| 03:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | Lies! |
| 03:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | scans Proteous's barcode |
| 03:48.12 | pupnik | n800n: i haven't used it for shoutcast. perhaps you should increase buffers |
| 03:48.31 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: if you have any experience with HD camcorders lemme know if something looks fishy about that |
| 03:48.41 | pupnik | i have to film emus - can't present them live at linuxtag |
| 03:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | I don't buy it. |
| 03:49.04 | Proteous | I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! |
| 03:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't really looked in about a year and a half. |
| 03:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd just get yourself a Canon digicam |
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| 03:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | They're filming in a very well lit area |
| 03:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | I can pretty much guarantee that the low light sensitivity wont hold up. |
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| 03:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | What camera are you using now? |
| 03:52.46 | n800n | buffer's not it |
| 03:52.49 | elb | just found out that a fair MiniDV camera can be had for under $300 |
| 03:53.04 | elb | I plan to get one of those, then look at HD cams in a few years when they've settled |
| 03:53.30 | GeneralAntilles | Really, you may be able to get away with an simple still camera with video functionality. |
| 03:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | Those are pretty good these days. |
| 03:55.02 | pupnik | hermblgh |
| 03:55.11 | pupnik | mine sucks |
| 03:55.49 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Tyrian_on_N810_demo.avi |
| 03:55.57 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: think i can get away with that quality? |
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| 03:57.28 | MajMin7 | does anyone here have any experience connecting to the gpsd? |
| 03:57.46 | MajMin7 | i have a problem where I always read 0 bytes from the gpsd socket |
| 03:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | What's that filmed with, pupnik? |
| 03:58.52 | pupnik | fuji F30 |
| 04:01.18 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, my recommendation would be to take the N810 to some sort of electronics shop and do some recordings with various stuff |
| 04:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | Real camcorders and digital cameras. |
| 04:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | See what's got good macro focus |
| 04:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | My guess is that a Canon A-series might actually do the trick. |
| 04:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | Or play with some of Canon's lower-end camcorders. |
| 04:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | You don't need no scammy HD camcorder. ;) |
| 04:03.39 | rm_you | but... HD is the future! :P |
| 04:03.47 | rm_you | doesn't watch anything lower than 720p anymore |
| 04:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | Only if you've got access to 4k laser scanners and 35mm or $50k HD cameras. ;) |
| 04:04.44 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, no, these days you could get away with about $5k |
| 04:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | still |
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| 04:16.20 | pupnik | ok ordered. 90 euro 18 cent |
| 04:17.09 | GeneralAntilles | What'd you get? |
| 04:18.06 | pupnik | http://www.promarkt.de/item/6854/1594/0/429256/odys-mdvhd-8.html Odys MDV-HD 8 1280x720 (720p) @ 30fps with macro and portrait focus |
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| 04:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 04:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | Good luck. . . . |
| 04:22.02 | n800n | cute |
| 04:22.38 | pupnik | 80 cent |
| 04:24.44 | n800n | my n800 won't play the avi |
| 04:25.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's 1080i |
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| 04:27.07 | n800n | why |
| 04:27.18 | n800n | whyyyyyyyy |
| 04:27.37 | pupnik | duh |
| 04:27.42 | pupnik | wait for N900 to play HD video |
| 04:27.51 | n800n | oh yeah.... |
| 04:27.58 | n800n | that |
| 04:28.25 | n800n | well what goid would it do w/o external video |
| 04:29.18 | n800n | m.... the only thing i've never used my n800 for is video |
| 04:29.33 | n800n | is there a way to play divx. |
| 04:29.35 | n800n | ? |
| 04:30.20 | pupnik | yes mplayer |
| 04:30.45 | pupnik | crunch the vids to about 240 - 280 vertical lines |
| 04:32.18 | n800n | will it do it or do i have to reenvide ? |
| 04:32.26 | n800n | reencode |
| 04:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | Take a guess, n800n. ;0 |
| 04:37.08 | n800n | that sucks |
| 04:37.54 | pupnik | you will get dropouts at full resolution |
| 04:38.38 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding/ |
| 04:39.03 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/ |
| 04:39.18 | pupnik | besides, you can save a good amt of space crunching stuff down |
| 04:39.43 | n800n | yeah |
| 04:40.18 | n800n | flv seems to play ok |
| 04:40.52 | pupnik | flv is usually 320x240 |
| 05:02.18 | n800n | is applet transparency % adjustable? |
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| 05:52.56 | qwerty111 | blesses debian for their armel package |
| 05:52.58 | acydlord | http://urltea.com/36of this might be interesting for gps maps |
| 05:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Your two split there, qwerty. ;) |
| 05:54.49 | qwerty111 | Yeah, my wifi card stopped working under linux. Stupid ndiswrapper. (I assume you mean there are two of me :)) |
| 05:55.28 | acydlord | use the ghost command to get rid of one of you |
| 05:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | 12 -> 111 :P |
| 05:56.05 | qwerty111 | :P. acydlord, thanks, will check it out. I've never used IRC before this except for some xbins loving. |
| 05:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.32 | acydlord | the command is /ns ghost <nick> <pass> |
| 05:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | More specifically /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pass> |
| 05:56.50 | qwerty111 | Thanks both, doing right now :) |
| 05:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.06 | acydlord | ahh yes, i forget about all the xchat aliases |
| 05:57.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2 hereby mirrored |
| 05:58.28 | ricko73 | does Maemo use matchbox by default (or what is the wm?) |
| 05:58.35 | qwerty111 | yes, matchbox |
| 05:58.49 | qwerty111 | the desktop and side bits are called hildon-desktop |
| 05:58.53 | ricko73 | man, I remember when that project was first starting out |
| 05:59.16 | qwerty111 | they are both oss, just do apt-get source etc. But the applets aren't :/ |
| 05:59.19 | ricko73 | we looked at using it in a carpc project |
| 05:59.33 | ricko73 | (back in 2002/2003) |
| 05:59.36 | qwerty111 | "-NickServ- [qwerty12] has been killed" - Sounds fun. |
| 05:59.41 | qwerty111 | Cool :) |
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| 06:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | You be dead, boy! |
| 06:00.28 | qwerty111 | No stabbing to make sure? |
| 06:00.52 | qwerty111 | :p |
| 06:01.11 | ricko73 | old picture: http://www.djhsolutions.com/dashpc/gallery/V2.0/close_up.jpg |
| 06:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | Car pc (well, Mac mini) is something I've always wanted to do |
| 06:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | but the software side of things is really lacking. |
| 06:02.12 | ricko73 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, it could have been something. The other guy involved in the project basically killed it because of greed |
| 06:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | The hardware is all fine |
| 06:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | but we really need some sort of awesome frontend. |
| 06:02.38 | acydlord | i've built several car-pcs out of tiny formfactor computers or modded laptops |
| 06:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | I have mine all planned out. Servos for AC control and everything. ;) |
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| 06:03.14 | ricko73 | I had my blazer broken into while I had the PC in the dash |
| 06:03.14 | acydlord | most awesome one i got to work on was in a prius |
| 06:03.35 | acydlord | cause the climate control in the prius can be controlled by an ecm interface |
| 06:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | The Prius LCD looks so bad with anything but the factory source. <_< |
| 06:03.38 | ricko73 | The idiots stole the $250 amp instead of the $2000 of pc equipment in the front/dash |
| 06:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:03.53 | qwerty111 | lmao |
| 06:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, "idiots" is a good way to describe people who break into cars to steal radios. :P |
| 06:04.21 | qwerty111 | Reminds me when some idiots stole the front part of the radio but not the back part. |
| 06:04.25 | ricko73 | 15 feet from my bedroom with the car parked in my drive way |
| 06:04.30 | acydlord | lol, my friend has a 17" widescreen touch panel over most of the center console |
| 06:04.40 | acydlord | it's probably the only pimp looking prius |
| 06:04.59 | ricko73 | the renters on the other side of the duplex offered to sleep in the back seat because the first attempt (of the theft) was not successful |
| 06:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | Those cars make me laugh. |
| 06:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | Get better gas mileage with a diesel Jetta. :\ |
| 06:05.15 | qwerty111 | They should make an alarm with a glock on it. "Step away from the vehicle in 5 seconds or im gonna shoot you motherfucker" |
| 06:05.22 | acydlord | i must say, the mini cooper clubman makes me laugh |
| 06:05.25 | ricko73 | he is kind of a red neck so he was going to lay in there with a baseball bat |
| 06:05.27 | acydlord | especially the clubman S |
| 06:05.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:05.47 | acydlord | yeah, its a small hack to get around 100mpg out of a prius |
| 06:05.56 | acydlord | i dont know why toyota doesnt do it |
| 06:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty111, I like the car alarms with flame throwers underneath. |
| 06:06.00 | RST38h | There was a flame thrower alarm in the South Africa |
| 06:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | Jinx! |
| 06:06.07 | RST38h | (when they sitll had cars) |
| 06:06.20 | qwerty111 | GeneralAntilles, that would be great muhahahaha |
| 06:06.22 | benh | it gets scary when the car's computer gets more IQ than the driver |
| 06:06.34 | benh | which is probably already the case with the average redneck |
| 06:06.34 | qwerty111 | Except when it lights the other parked cars on fire too... |
| 06:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | Computers don't have IQ. |
| 06:06.42 | acydlord | benh, like the lexus and toyota cars that track your eye movement and lid state? |
| 06:06.45 | benh | GeneralAntilles: not yet :-) |
| 06:06.58 | ricko73 | computers are only as smart as the people programming them |
| 06:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | Modern luxury cars are a little out of hand. |
| 06:07.00 | benh | GeneralAntilles: which is _still_ higher than the average redneck :-) |
| 06:07.04 | ricko73 | (or so I've been told) |
| 06:07.05 | qwerty111 | Give it time. matrix.... :p |
| 06:07.08 | GeneralAntilles | Simple sedans are pushing the 2-ton mark. :\ |
| 06:07.11 | acydlord | or the toyota POD2 that has a little r2d2 style AI copilot |
| 06:07.14 | livinroom | qwerty111: here's my car alarm: http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/images/m1991a1e.jpg |
| 06:07.28 | qwerty111 | livinroom, nice! |
| 06:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | Amen, livinroom. |
| 06:07.35 | livinroom | it's also my home security system |
| 06:07.47 | GeneralAntilles | (though just a S&W 9mm in my case) |
| 06:07.48 | acydlord | my alarm system is silent |
| 06:07.53 | livinroom | and, with the power of the CCW permit, it's a personal defence system as well |
| 06:07.54 | qwerty111 | over this side of the pond, not here :( |
| 06:08.04 | acydlord | various shuriken, swords, knives, caltrops, etc |
| 06:08.11 | livinroom | yeah i wanted some hardcore power, we have some major methheads here |
| 06:08.22 | livinroom | and fuck if those goddamn meth addicted sons of bitches arent hard to bring down |
| 06:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | I opted for a size and price reduction. |
| 06:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | As well as better capacity. ;) |
| 06:08.33 | rm_you | brb |
| 06:08.37 | qwerty111 | 0_o |
| 06:08.39 | acydlord | you need the capacity with a 9 |
| 06:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:08.53 | acydlord | i also have a military issue tonfa |
| 06:08.53 | livinroom | the local sherrif put 39 rounds in one poor bastard before he put the gun down. 39 9mm rounds. THIRTY NINE. he was still shooting until the 38th |
| 06:08.59 | acydlord | thats always fun for a takedown |
| 06:09.10 | acydlord | livinroom, you in AZ? |
| 06:09.12 | qwerty111 | livinroom, did he die? |
| 06:09.13 | livinroom | no, TN |
| 06:09.16 | livinroom | yeah he expired |
| 06:09.23 | acydlord | man, weve had epic shootouts like that out here |
| 06:09.24 | livinroom | but he actually was shooting a pump action shotty at the police |
| 06:09.27 | acydlord | and we have many a tweaker |
| 06:09.35 | qwerty111 | Lol, I was doing /sarcasm :P :D |
| 06:09.40 | acydlord | cops need to learn about the headshot |
| 06:09.40 | livinroom | after the 39th round he dropped the gun, layed down (didnt fall, or drop, mind you) and died |
| 06:09.58 | RST38h | ran out of drugs, I guess |
| 06:09.58 | livinroom | well, they fired around 50 rounds, from what i understand |
| 06:10.09 | livinroom | the only reason i think that he died was blood loss |
| 06:10.13 | acydlord | then again with a 9 depending on the round it could glance off the skull |
| 06:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, he ran out of pain killers (ala Max Payne) |
| 06:10.17 | livinroom | that and punctured lungs |
| 06:10.17 | RST38h | did the police tried refilling him? just to ask some questions, you know? |
| 06:10.22 | livinroom | roffles |
| 06:10.24 | livinroom | no |
| 06:10.29 | trickie | my bloody ISP at home has been down for more than 24 hours... anyone know if there is a log of the meeting with quim last night? |
| 06:10.30 | livinroom | it's a funny story how it all went down |
| 06:10.41 | acydlord | trickie, there should be a log up later in the day |
| 06:10.44 | livinroom | it started when some dumbass cop accidentally hit the siren on a no-knock warrant |
| 06:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | trickie, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ |
| 06:10.50 | livinroom | this fucker comes out shooting |
| 06:10.54 | trickie | thanks! |
| 06:10.54 | livinroom | and they lay waste to him |
| 06:10.58 | livinroom | it was bad. |
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| 06:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | trickie, most interesting tidbit, information on the PowerVR will be coming later this year. |
| 06:11.27 | trickie | woo hoo! |
| 06:11.30 | trickie | thats awesome |
| 06:11.30 | qwerty111 | A2DP is also planned |
| 06:11.33 | acydlord | i'm always tempted to get my psg-1 out whenever there are police standoffs in my area |
| 06:11.35 | livinroom | AADP?? |
| 06:11.51 | livinroom | see, why didnt the iphone have A2DP |
| 06:11.53 | acydlord | ya know just stoll up and be like "deputise me mofo" |
| 06:12.05 | acydlord | because the iphone is an overpriced pretty piece of crap |
| 06:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:12.13 | acydlord | like all the other apple products since the mid 90s |
| 06:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's not that bad. ;) |
| 06:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | It suits some people. |
| 06:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | Like my mother. |
| 06:12.34 | acydlord | for a low capacity ipod that happens to make calls i guess its not bad |
| 06:12.37 | livinroom | here's why i have the iphone: Unix. |
| 06:12.42 | livinroom | and Unix means developers |
| 06:12.43 | qwerty111 | If the PowerVR stuff comes out, I want to see me some quake 3 action. |
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| 06:12.56 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty111, wouldn't that be badass? :D |
| 06:13.10 | livinroom | and said developers have made a successful port of tinyproxy, srelay, sshd, and ipfw. all tools that help me to forward mah intarwebs to the n800, a laptop, a desktop, etc et al. |
| 06:13.15 | acydlord | i've been too lazy to load linux on my centro |
| 06:13.18 | qwerty111 | GeneralAntilles, hell yes. combine it with the tilt stick and you would be in heaven :D |
| 06:13.44 | RST38h | yea, the device definitely misses an accelerometer |
| 06:13.49 | acydlord | another 2 horrible things about the iphone are at&t and that crap they try to call 3g |
| 06:14.08 | RST38h | maybe it can be replaced by some clever image processing from the camera? |
| 06:14.23 | ricko73 | acydlord: don't swear like that in here (att) |
| 06:14.35 | livinroom | AT&T isnt really horrible, i dont know where everyone gets that from |
| 06:14.43 | livinroom | because your only other choice is verizon, and they're absoloutely worse |
| 06:14.46 | acydlord | if you add an IR port to the iphone and a tiltstick you've got a wiimote |
| 06:14.51 | RST38h | livinroom: have you tried visiting their store? |
| 06:14.51 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 06:14.52 | acydlord | i have sprint |
| 06:14.54 | KotCzarny | it is horrible |
| 06:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I've been nothing but happy with AT&T |
| 06:14.58 | livinroom | yeah, i bought my ifone in a store |
| 06:14.59 | acydlord | with some real nice evdo |
| 06:15.00 | RST38h | I mean, actually talking to a "representative"? |
| 06:15.07 | RST38h | poor guy |
| 06:15.11 | livinroom | yeah, i talked to one when i bought the ifone |
| 06:15.11 | KotCzarny | they charge 20$ for turning on/off long distance |
| 06:15.14 | livinroom | i was totally satisfied |
| 06:15.18 | RST38h | oh |
| 06:15.22 | livinroom | long distance? it's a fscking fone |
| 06:15.22 | KotCzarny | and other features |
| 06:15.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:15.25 | acydlord | and i dont like att because they just handed all their customers over to DHS and fbi spying |
| 06:15.30 | ricko73 | livinroom: it's all about geography. ATT sucks here. The only reliable cell service are Verizon or USCC |
| 06:15.31 | qwerty111 | I hate CDMA stuff. Thankfully, in the UK we are all GSM. (EDGE/UMTS etc are available though). |
| 06:15.33 | acydlord | not to mention the deathstar monopoly |
| 06:15.54 | RST38h | remembers buying 3650 from AT&T store - 15 minutes of waiting + 30 minutes of filing papers and the sim card quietly expired after being unused for 3 months |
| 06:15.55 | KotCzarny | livinroom: i'm talking about their bussiness model |
| 06:15.57 | acydlord | no hsdpa qwerty111? |
| 06:15.58 | livinroom | monopoly be damned, it works fine |
| 06:16.22 | acydlord | and at&t shafted me on the ogo |
| 06:16.26 | qwerty111 | acydlord, I'm sure there is actually, just don't have a phone that supports it. |
| 06:16.38 | RST38h | Last time I bought phone service from MTS, it took 5 minutes and did not require me to commit for 2 years |
| 06:16.45 | acydlord | i prepaid for a year on it, they supported it for 3 months and then wouldnt refund my fees |
| 06:16.51 | livinroom | btw this is my pocket gun: http://www.centerfirecentral.com/images/bersa380L.jpg |
| 06:17.02 | RST38h | So, let us see: |
| 06:17.14 | RST38h | Russia: 5 minutes, $7 |
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| 06:17.25 | RST38h | US: 45 minutes, $60/mo for 24 months |
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| 06:17.26 | qwerty111 | Can't you like carry semi-auto sub-machineguns :p ? |
| 06:17.44 | acydlord | assault rifles |
| 06:17.51 | RST38h | Isn't something wrong with this picture? |
| 06:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | livinroom, have you seen KelTec's stuff? |
| 06:18.00 | GeneralAntilles | They make some badass pocket guns. |
| 06:18.07 | acydlord | subs and machine pistols require a different license |
| 06:18.07 | GeneralAntilles | Their 9 is one of the smallest available. |
| 06:18.12 | livinroom | actually, we can carry full auto submachine guns |
| 06:18.22 | livinroom | keltecs are all plastic and feel like they'll break |
| 06:18.32 | acydlord | you have a class3 permit livinroom? |
| 06:18.32 | RST38h | Do they let you shoot those as well? =) |
| 06:18.34 | livinroom | the bersa is aluminum, has every safety imaginable, etc |
| 06:18.44 | livinroom | i dont, but in TN it's only $200 to get one |
| 06:18.53 | acydlord | yeah, its only 200 here too |
| 06:19.11 | acydlord | much cheaper than paying the fee to get a licensed silencer on its own here lol |
| 06:19.11 | GeneralAntilles | My buddy's KelTec 380 shoots like a tac driver. |
| 06:19.13 | GeneralAntilles | Feels great |
| 06:19.22 | livinroom | i could get a silenced full auto AR15 for around $2k total |
| 06:20.00 | livinroom | thats with all the liscenses and everything |
| 06:20.23 | livinroom | http://golsn.com/listings/outdoor_adventure/firearms/369686.html here's an AR for 1k |
| 06:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | ARs are so gross. <_< |
| 06:20.58 | acydlord | http://www.arizonatacticalfirearms.com/ this place is right up the street from me |
| 06:21.08 | acydlord | and i must say, i prefer my m16 to an ar |
| 06:21.22 | livinroom | http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/specials.html dude |
| 06:21.27 | livinroom | this place is up the street from me |
| 06:21.34 | livinroom | check out their browning .50bmg |
| 06:21.40 | livinroom | it's insane. |
| 06:21.49 | livinroom | $5 per shot |
| 06:21.56 | ricko73 | what is it about geeks and guns? lol |
| 06:22.04 | livinroom | duuuude |
| 06:22.07 | livinroom | machine gun safari sounds AWESOME |
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| 06:22.10 | livinroom | too bad i hate AZ |
| 06:22.26 | ricko73 | I have a nice headshot I had on a deer at 35 yards with my 12 ga last year |
| 06:22.32 | RST38h | but imagine the number and SIZE of amphetamine junkies you can off with this thing! |
| 06:22.40 | livinroom | roffles |
| 06:22.50 | livinroom | when the world goes to hell |
| 06:22.56 | livinroom | i'll mount that sumbitch on my '95 escort LX |
| 06:23.01 | livinroom | and run around blasting baddies |
| 06:25.25 | acydlord | imagine the meth heads you could take down with this http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=337048&item=701445&instock=all&manufact_combo=Heckler+%26+Koch%2C+Inc.&mod_ser_combo=None&category_combo=None&model=None&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=100&item_num= |
| 06:25.30 | acydlord | holy long link, sorry bout that |
| 06:26.02 | livinroom | holy long link batman |
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| 06:29.02 | acydlord | i want the new barrett .416 AR |
| 06:29.25 | czr | wakes up and looks at the crazy americanos -speak |
| 06:29.55 | livinroom | lolz |
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| 06:30.34 | czr | in finland we feed the methheads to the polar bears |
| 06:30.46 | czr | or send them to nokia to code for some useless multimedia project |
| 06:31.29 | livinroom | ROFL |
| 06:31.31 | RST38h | send them club baby seals! |
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| 06:31.40 | livinroom | send some meth heads to code me up a working webcam app for the n800 |
| 06:31.50 | czr | livinroom, do you work for nokia? |
| 06:31.51 | livinroom | one that will auto-upload pics via whatever active connection to an ftp server |
| 06:31.59 | livinroom | heck no |
| 06:32.01 | livinroom | i dont work for nokia |
| 06:32.11 | czr | indeed. it needs to be a nokia project |
| 06:32.29 | livinroom | i need a camera app! |
| 06:32.38 | livinroom | and i'm too lazy to take 8 years of programming so i can make one! |
| 06:32.56 | RST38h | there is a camera app in extras |
| 06:32.58 | czr | pay someone to do it? |
| 06:33.01 | livinroom | well, yeah |
| 06:33.05 | czr | or you mean you're lazy _and_ poor? :-) |
| 06:33.08 | livinroom | but the camera app in extras doesnt auto-upload shots |
| 06:33.10 | czr | that's not a good combination :-) |
| 06:33.16 | livinroom | i'm not poor |
| 06:33.19 | livinroom | but i'm not rich enough to pay someone :P |
| 06:33.23 | RST38h | those aren't very good shots to begin with |
| 06:33.40 | livinroom | i spend all my money buying .45 cartridges to practice incase the starving zombie hordes of methheads invade my apartment |
| 06:33.55 | czr | livinroom, you should start stocking up ammo though |
| 06:34.03 | RST38h | just use hand grenades |
| 06:34.12 | czr | imagine how much the price of ammo will jump once the methheads start running around TN. |
| 06:34.13 | livinroom | hand grenades cause splash damage |
| 06:34.20 | czr | good for fishing.. |
| 06:34.27 | RST38h | remembers Tremors the movie |
| 06:35.50 | acydlord | i had to sell my .45s i spent way too much going out to the shooting range and out shooting in the desert |
| 06:36.00 | livinroom | yeah |
| 06:36.09 | livinroom | i want to slay a small creature in the woods some day |
| 06:36.20 | livinroom | perhaps the evil, cold hearted murderous squirrel |
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| 06:36.23 | czr | ant? |
| 06:36.27 | czr | they're also evil. |
| 06:36.32 | livinroom | ants are indeed evil |
| 06:36.35 | czr | plus you can practice on a perfect technique. |
| 06:36.35 | livinroom | but they are difficult to slay |
| 06:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | livinroom, gps-camera |
| 06:36.51 | livinroom | shooting the ass off an ant? |
| 06:37.08 | czr | livinroom, get a proper scope? :-) |
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| 06:37.24 | ricko73 | livinroom: I shot a squirrel in the eye with a bb gun when I was 13 |
| 06:37.36 | ricko73 | tasted good ;) |
| 06:37.50 | livinroom | i tried to shoot a bird once |
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| 06:37.52 | livinroom | i dont know if i got him or not |
| 06:37.58 | livinroom | damn hollowpoint 380s |
| 06:38.27 | acydlord | i shot a dove with a 30-06 2 seasons ago |
| 06:38.30 | ricko73 | do you use a sledgehammer to drive in finish nails? |
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| 06:39.03 | livinroom | well, hollowpoint was all i had loaded |
| 06:39.04 | GeneralAntilles | livinroom, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-camera/ |
| 06:39.10 | livinroom | and i was like, HOLY SHIT BALD EAGLE and so |
| 06:39.18 | livinroom | haha, no, it wasnt a bald eagle. |
| 06:39.35 | czr | it was a the Pope of the Brown Bald Eagles? |
| 06:39.37 | czr | -a |
| 06:39.46 | acydlord | lol |
| 06:39.47 | livinroom | i was like rm -rf /sparrow |
| 06:39.50 | livinroom | and it was all like |
| 06:39.54 | livinroom | 'unable to find /sparrow' |
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| 06:40.00 | livinroom | '/sparrow doesnt exsist' |
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| 06:40.36 | ricko73 | you guys crack me up |
| 06:40.56 | livinroom | so i was like updatedb && |
| 06:41.00 | RST38h | evil gun nuts. |
| 06:41.01 | livinroom | locate sparrow |
| 06:41.08 | ricko73 | I'll have to find out first hand how well roadmap works tomorrow. I finally got it to install. |
| 06:41.19 | livinroom | 'sparrow not found' |
| 06:41.25 | livinroom | and i was like dayum. |
| 06:41.43 | ricko73 | passes over a bottle of stout to livinroom |
| 06:41.53 | livinroom | i prefer a flagan of mead |
| 06:42.03 | ricko73 | bah |
| 06:42.08 | livinroom | or is it flagon |
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| 06:42.28 | ricko73 | give me a good oatmeal stout with hints of chocolate and coffee and I'm good to go |
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| 06:43.04 | livinroom | actually |
| 06:43.05 | czr | 'hints of chocolate and coffee' generally sounds like an overpriced ripoff :-) |
| 06:43.17 | livinroom | my beverage of choice right now is manischewitz concord grape :( |
| 06:43.49 | ricko73 | czr: when it's called "Roadslush" it's gotta be good |
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| 06:44.18 | livinroom | roadslush sounds... nasty |
| 06:45.02 | czr | roadkill -> mixer -> slush -> ferment -> bottle. |
| 06:45.07 | ricko73 | it's actually tasty |
| 06:45.13 | livinroom | eew |
| 06:46.15 | ricko73 | http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/new-glarus-road-slush-stout/55763/ |
| 06:46.32 | livinroom | i cant decide if i should spend money on food or bullets tomorrow. does that make me a redneck? |
| 06:46.48 | czr | livinroom, no. it's beer or bullets.. |
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| 06:46.57 | livinroom | well, i dont drink beer so |
| 06:47.02 | livinroom | that kinda counts me out |
| 06:47.17 | livinroom | i like gps-camera, btw, but no auto-upload, esp. not to an FTP site |
| 06:47.21 | czr | maybe you're an confused redneck then :-) |
| 06:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | flickr upload, livinroom. |
| 06:49.18 | livinroom | yeah, but |
| 06:49.21 | livinroom | i can do that with my ifone |
| 06:49.26 | livinroom | ftp upload would be more interesting |
| 06:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 06:49.32 | GeneralAntilles | Modify the source, then. |
| 06:49.33 | livinroom | because then i wouldnt use up all my flicker allocation |
| 06:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Wont be too difficult to replace the flickr upload with an ftp upload. |
| 06:50.36 | czr | starts proper work |
| 06:50.41 | czr | have fun yall |
| 06:52.41 | livinroom | i dont know how to code things like that |
| 06:52.48 | livinroom | you guys are all like 'make it yourself' and im like |
| 06:52.48 | livinroom | dude |
| 06:52.55 | livinroom | C is the middle key on a piano |
| 06:53.05 | livinroom | i know that != means Not= |
| 06:53.10 | livinroom | and i know that C# is ass. |
| 06:53.13 | livinroom | and thats it |
| 06:53.42 | johnx | no one was born knowing how to program :) |
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| 06:54.23 | livinroom | anything that requires a college course is too difficult for me to master tonight. |
| 06:54.30 | czr | livinroom, you know how to reload your gun? programming is like that. more or less. do things in some order. think before do. most of the time :-) |
| 06:54.36 | johnx | it really doesn't require a college course... |
| 06:54.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: got my url? |
| 06:55.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, yup, thanks |
| 06:55.04 | Stskeeps | np |
| 06:55.28 | johnx | ah, which reminds me, Navi: check the wiki release notes for that |
| 06:55.41 | livinroom | reloading my gun, though, consists of the manual "push button A to eject spent magazine." "spent magazine falls to the ground due to the force of gravity." "insert loaded magazine" "press slide release" |
| 06:55.46 | livinroom | programming consists of |
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| 06:56.06 | czr | "learn to program", "write the program you want", "debug", "return to first point" |
| 06:56.11 | czr | see. same complexity factor.. |
| 06:56.31 | livinroom | sorry to spam |
| 06:56.32 | livinroom | int main(void) { |
| 06:56.32 | livinroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.32 | livinroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.32 | livinroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.32 | livinroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.34 | livinroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.36 | livinroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.38 | livinroom | } |
| 06:56.40 | livinroom | that is programming |
| 06:56.47 | czr | actually not. that's silly :-) |
| 06:56.51 | livinroom | and honestly, it scares me |
| 06:57.21 | czr | livinroom, try some more friendly language? |
| 06:57.27 | czr | python/ruby whatnots. |
| 06:57.31 | johnx | but it can all be reduced to fairly simple basics. there's nothing scary about it...just annoying to learn, that's all |
| 06:58.26 | livinroom | my problem will be, going in, that i want to do something complex; and i have no idea where exactly to start, so i'll start by altering exsisting source. and when that repeatedly fails to work, i'll hit up google, and 3 cans of Monster and a can of red bull later, i'll give up, pissed off and ready to put a bullet through my GCC. |
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| 06:59.30 | johnx | right, that's where the patience and the reading comes in |
| 06:59.40 | johnx | You need to learn how to walk before you can run |
| 06:59.44 | livinroom | yeah but /usr/me != patience. |
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| 07:00.02 | johnx | well, that's definitely a problem |
| 07:00.10 | livinroom | not for technical issues |
| 07:00.12 | forge | Then you might aswell give up or pay someone else to code |
| 07:00.15 | livinroom | i get very frustrated |
| 07:01.09 | hd_ | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:01.47 | livinroom | i want to use the camera of the n800 to take a snapshot every <interval> and upload it to an ftp site (like an oldschool webcam.) |
| 07:02.00 | livinroom | additionally, it must be able to use an HTTP proxy to do so :) |
| 07:02.08 | johnx | ah...a script would do that really easily |
| 07:02.13 | forge | Yeah |
| 07:02.30 | tank-man | a script ? that sounds too easy :) |
| 07:02.32 | johnx | though I forgot what app can take pics from the CLI |
| 07:02.48 | johnx | tank-man, I know, it's almost like cheating |
| 07:03.03 | tank-man | a small shell script put me out of a job |
| 07:03.07 | czr | unless you implement the shell for the sole purpose of interpreting the script. |
| 07:03.27 | czr | tank-man, that would work on a t-shirt :-) |
| 07:03.38 | johnx | tank-man, you should have been nicer to your sys admin :P |
| 07:04.28 | trickie | just lloking at that meeting log... i think next time it should be moderated |
| 07:04.37 | johnx | trickie, agreed |
| 07:04.39 | trickie | chitter chatter seemed to fill the discussion |
| 07:04.47 | trickie | wish i could have been there |
| 07:05.29 | johnx | next time we need more guidelines I think, on which questions are useful and likely to get answers |
| 07:06.06 | trickie | for sure |
| 07:06.16 | trickie | or even a prepared list of questions before hand |
| 07:06.39 | johnx | yeah |
| 07:06.53 | trickie | kind of a specific agreed agenda before hand |
| 07:07.04 | trickie | if they are gonna be regular meetings |
| 07:07.23 | trickie | anyway, good to see an attempt at communication being made |
| 07:07.31 | trickie | better communication |
| 07:07.44 | johnx | yeah, the attempt is almost more important than the content in my mind |
| 07:07.47 | tank-man | is the log to this irc chat public? |
| 07:07.54 | johnx | tank-man, yup |
| 07:07.54 | tank-man | the metting chat |
| 07:08.05 | johnx | ah, It will be up somewhere |
| 07:08.27 | johnx | I can DCC you my log if you want |
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| 07:08.48 | tank-man | sure |
| 07:09.13 | trickie | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ |
| 07:09.22 | johnx | or that :) |
| 07:09.25 | trickie | i just went through that log :) |
| 07:09.28 | tank-man | url will work :) |
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| 07:19.05 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: http://images.google.com/images?q=16bit+ubuntu&imgsz=icon&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&safe=off&start=200&sa=N |
| 07:19.08 | rm_you | random |
| 07:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | You're random. |
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| 07:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | Can't even see what the image is. . . . |
| 07:20.20 | rm_you | the second one? |
| 07:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's first one here. |
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| 08:25.14 | johnx | well, made the debian beta3 announcement on ITT. I'll wait for the horror stories to roll in... |
| 08:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | keeps running into walls trying to untar it. |
| 08:26.07 | johnx | really? |
| 08:26.25 | johnx | only with the sd card? or anywhere? |
| 08:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | Not enough space on my partition or device |
| 08:26.31 | johnx | whew |
| 08:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | My Mac seems to open it |
| 08:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | but no files actually appear. |
| 08:26.44 | GeneralAntilles | Retardation |
| 08:26.53 | johnx | can you just use a terminal on the mac? |
| 08:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | I can |
| 08:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | and have tried. |
| 08:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing |
| 08:27.23 | johnx | craziness |
| 08:27.24 | GeneralAntilles | Seems to get to /etc and just die. |
| 08:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 08:27.38 | johnx | well, damn...let me recheck it |
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| 08:27.59 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt very much it's you. |
| 08:28.24 | johnx | I'd like to know for sure though |
| 08:28.31 | rm_you | johnx: oh, did you host it somewhere? |
| 08:28.35 | johnx | yup |
| 08:28.36 | rm_you | want me to mirror it, or you good? |
| 08:28.38 | johnx | got three mirrors |
| 08:28.43 | johnx | you can too, if you want |
| 08:28.47 | rm_you | k |
| 08:28.49 | rm_you | can't hurt |
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| 08:29.16 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, are you untaring as user on your mac? |
| 08:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | Tried as root, too. |
| 08:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | User at least threw an error |
| 08:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | Root just died. |
| 08:29.32 | johnx | tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2? |
| 08:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 08:29.55 | johnx | well...I think that means your tar is broken...which is rather odd |
| 08:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how that might've happened. <_< |
| 08:30.22 | johnx | ah...unless it's not allowing you to make devices and suid files on the FS you're untarring onto |
| 08:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | HFS+ |
| 08:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like a possibility. |
| 08:31.52 | johnx | do you have a card reader? |
| 08:32.00 | johnx | there is an ext2 driver for the mac I think |
| 08:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | Was doing it with the USB cable |
| 08:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's installed |
| 08:32.25 | johnx | when you run mount what does it show for the n800? |
| 08:32.41 | johnx | I mean run mount on the mac when the n800 is plugged in... |
| 08:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's automounted. |
| 08:33.18 | johnx | err...just "mount" |
| 08:33.26 | johnx | and see what it says about options, etc |
| 08:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | One sec |
| 08:34.08 | GeneralAntilles | Card reader is being retarded |
| 08:34.35 | johnx | yeah, they often are |
| 08:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | ext2, local, nodev, nosuid |
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| 08:35.39 | johnx | hmm |
| 08:35.42 | johnx | local is interesting |
| 08:35.55 | johnx | nodev and nosuid would explain a lot :) |
| 08:38.10 | johnx | do the other fs'es have "local" too? |
| 08:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 08:39.29 | johnx | alright, then as root, try this: |
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| 08:39.44 | johnx | mount -o remount,suid,dev /Volumes/my-card |
| 08:41.06 | rm_you | wow thats a ridiculous mirror you have already |
| 08:41.11 | rm_you | downloading at 8M/s |
| 08:41.34 | GeneralAntilles | mount: /Volumes/Debian: unknown special file or file system. |
| 08:41.39 | rm_you | 03:41:28 (7.81 MB/s) - `debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2' saved [226287149/226287149] |
| 08:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'll just free up some space on the device. ;) |
| 08:41.46 | rm_you | ridiculous |
| 08:42.11 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I don't have a Mac in front of me, so I can't tell you much :/ |
| 08:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | The ext2 driver is mostly shit |
| 08:42.28 | johnx | yeah |
| 08:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | could be causing trouble. |
| 08:42.35 | johnx | they mostly are windows and mac |
| 08:42.37 | GeneralAntilles | Built for 10.3, I believe. |
| 08:42.43 | johnx | skeery |
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| 08:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | I wish filesystem support in general weren't so shitty. |
| 08:43.42 | johnx | on Mac? |
| 08:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | in general |
| 08:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | On Windows, on Mac, on Linux. |
| 08:43.56 | johnx | ah, it's always seemed nice on linux |
| 08:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | We just need one or two GOOD universal filesystems. |
| 08:44.09 | johnx | the GUI wrappers on linux need to get better |
| 08:44.12 | johnx | but other than that I'm happy |
| 08:44.14 | KotCzarny | say that to mr. patent |
| 08:44.24 | KotCzarny | and mr. monopoly |
| 08:44.45 | rm_you | johnx: just got a CrystalFontz serial LCD :P |
| 08:44.54 | johnx | mr. patent, mr. monopoly: other than that I'm happy |
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| 08:44.55 | rm_you | 20x4 |
| 08:44.56 | rm_you | :P |
| 08:44.58 | johnx | rm_you, fun :D |
| 08:45.03 | rm_you | it's pretty awesome |
| 08:45.08 | johnx | it works over serial or usb? |
| 08:45.11 | rm_you | serial |
| 08:45.15 | johnx | awesome |
| 08:45.22 | johnx | you could do a wireless version over bluetooth! |
| 08:45.31 | johnx | that would be pretty cool |
| 08:45.41 | rm_you | may hook it up to my router to display network traffic meters |
| 08:46.04 | rm_you | and other pertinent info |
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| 08:47.11 | johnx | sounds neat |
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| 08:50.07 | rm_you | so yeah. i finished with school and i dont know what to do with myself |
| 08:50.44 | rm_you | in the last two days i've started learning Lojban, trying my hand at drawing (real art!), and decided i'm finally going to learn how to swim :) |
| 08:50.59 | johnx | swimming is definitely worth it |
| 08:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 08:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | LEARNING?! |
| 08:52.34 | johnx | well I just hit kind of a stopping point in Debian so I don't really know what my next project is either... |
| 08:52.41 | rm_you | la .GeneralAntilles. cu sutra |
| 08:52.51 | rm_you | johnx: ah? :( |
| 08:52.56 | rm_you | nothing left to do? |
| 08:52.56 | johnx | (not permanently stopping, just pausing.) |
| 08:52.59 | rm_you | <_< |
| 08:53.27 | rm_you | was gonna say, if you finished every task you had left in the last week, i was going to give you a medal :P |
| 08:54.06 | johnx | what did I say I was gonna do again? |
| 08:54.31 | johnx | I have rotation, sound, power off from menu |
| 08:54.36 | johnx | was there something else? |
| 08:55.16 | KotCzarny | op changer |
| 08:55.52 | johnx | hmm? |
| 08:56.14 | KotCzarny | cpu highest state modifier |
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| 08:56.25 | KotCzarny | 400/133 mode instead of 330/220 |
| 08:56.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:56.36 | johnx | did I say I was going to do that? |
| 08:56.54 | KotCzarny | i don't know :) |
| 08:57.02 | johnx | :P |
| 08:57.02 | KotCzarny | but it's a very good thing |
| 08:57.05 | rm_you | <johnx> I'll also make an op changer |
| 08:57.13 | rm_you | notes that the last quote may be completely fabricated |
| 08:57.26 | johnx | rm_you fails it |
| 08:57.57 | rm_you | fails at a lot of things |
| 08:58.08 | rm_you | including, if i don't get a move on, checking out of my room on time today! |
| 08:58.19 | rm_you | still has to pack up.... everything |
| 08:59.06 | johnx | you should do that, then |
| 08:59.08 | johnx | go! |
| 08:59.10 | johnx | move! |
| 09:01.34 | rm_you | moving BLOWS. >_> |
| 09:01.43 | johnx | gah, tell me about it |
| 09:01.53 | johnx | cleaning is the worst part though |
| 09:01.56 | rm_you | >_> |
| 09:02.00 | rm_you | shit. |
| 09:02.05 | rm_you | i'd forgotten all about the cleaning. |
| 09:02.08 | rm_you | dies |
| 09:03.04 | aquatix | just vacuum cleaned the whole house |
| 09:03.12 | aquatix | was getting damn dusty :) |
| 09:04.16 | johnx | will get a roomba when he moves into a bigger place |
| 09:04.28 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:05.00 | aquatix | has too many obstacles |
| 09:05.08 | aquatix | btw, a roomba can't do the stairs |
| 09:05.32 | johnx | eh...I'm just talking about a bigger apartment |
| 09:06.39 | aquatix | ah |
| 09:06.43 | rm_you | MUCH DUST |
| 09:06.49 | aquatix | has a maissonnette |
| 09:07.03 | rm_you | i don't have dust allergies or anything... but i'm sneezing like twice a minute |
| 09:07.05 | aquatix | [basically a 2-story apartment] |
| 09:07.16 | johnx | like a town house? |
| 09:07.17 | KotCzarny | you dirty geeks |
| 09:07.18 | aquatix | rm_you: dust does that to you yeah :) |
| 09:07.23 | aquatix | johnx: i guess so |
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| 09:08.11 | johnx | similar idea I think |
| 09:08.27 | aquatix | yeah |
| 09:08.41 | aquatix | we have the ground-level floor and the one above |
| 09:08.47 | aquatix | garden ftw :) |
| 09:08.54 | johnx | hates plants |
| 09:08.58 | aquatix | too |
| 09:09.11 | johnx | if I have a house I'll pave my yard |
| 09:09.13 | aquatix | it's a nice place to chill out with a beer in the sun though |
| 09:09.22 | aquatix | has pavement and some grass |
| 09:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | How can you hate plants? |
| 09:09.35 | aquatix | well, don't hate them |
| 09:09.40 | aquatix | i quite like them even |
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| 09:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | You'd be dead without plants. |
| 09:09.48 | aquatix | but maintainance can be a chore |
| 09:09.49 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, hayfever |
| 09:10.02 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 09:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | Fail. |
| 09:10.06 | johnx | also, I hate them so much that I often kill them and eat them |
| 09:10.20 | aquatix | likes killed animals better ;) |
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| 09:13.03 | aquatix | *crickets* |
| 09:13.45 | aquatix | is updating his openssl/openssh stuff |
| 09:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, johnx, it's untarring on the device. |
| 09:14.09 | johnx | woo! |
| 09:16.26 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 09:16.45 | johnx | mornin' b0unc3 |
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| 09:25.26 | b0unc3 | hi johnx , I'm happy to see your debian third release ... any news on the power managment? |
| 09:25.50 | johnx | well power management is ... interesting |
| 09:25.59 | johnx | I've enabled sleep while idle |
| 09:26.06 | johnx | but I haven't done any rundown tests |
| 09:26.33 | johnx | I think dsme will just handle power management stuff and I don't have to worry about it, but I haven't tested either way |
| 09:26.35 | jdiazZzZz | I've enabled sleep while idle in my brain, too |
| 09:26.45 | johnx | :P |
| 09:26.52 | jdiazZzZz | too few sleep time, lately |
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| 09:59.52 | rm_you | bbl |
| 10:00.04 | johnx | good luck with moving, rmoravcik |
| 10:00.15 | johnx | aaah...tab failure. sorry rmoravcik |
| 10:00.31 | rmoravcik | johnx: no problem |
| 10:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, Debian's up and running. |
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| 10:05.00 | johnx | good news GeneralAntilles |
| 10:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | Any way to make the keyboard remember its position? |
| 10:05.58 | johnx | maybe, devilspie? |
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| 10:06.13 | johnx | ah, it might take a geometry option |
| 10:06.15 | lardman | dneary: ping |
| 10:07.10 | johnx | actually, guess not |
| 10:07.22 | johnx | try another keyboard, there should be lots to choose from |
| 10:07.29 | johnx | think of this as a starting point :) |
| 10:07.29 | lardman | Does anyone have a log of yesterday's meeting? |
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| 10:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ |
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| 10:08.00 | lardman | it's cut short though |
| 10:08.34 | johnx | gah, it is O_o |
| 10:08.42 | johnx | I have the full log if you want |
| 10:08.53 | dneary | lardman: pong |
| 10:09.03 | lardman | yes please, and I imagine X-Fade_ might like to add it to the end of that one too |
| 10:09.16 | lardman | dneary: just to follow up on what I was told to do yesterday :) |
| 10:09.31 | lardman | dneary: PowerVR, and IVA if pos - both in the original email I sent in fact |
| 10:09.44 | dneary | lardman: Noted :) |
| 10:09.52 | dneary | I got them last night, in fact |
| 10:09.54 | lardman | dneary: do you have a list up yet (not hassling) |
| 10:10.07 | dneary | No, I plan on doing a first draft today |
| 10:10.11 | lardman | cool |
| 10:10.18 | johnx | lardman, I can dcc you the log or email, your choice |
| 10:10.36 | lardman | johnx: email is probably easier for me |
| 10:10.46 | trickie | dneary: i couldn't attend the meeting, but i have some additional questions that might not have been covered yesterday, can i still submit to you some questions? |
| 10:10.46 | lardman | s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk |
| 10:11.14 | trickie | johnx: trickie at gmail dot com can i have the full one also? |
| 10:11.35 | johnx | sure |
| 10:11.48 | lardman | dneary: the other thing was a page where people can request that a package is open-sourced, and give a reason why; hrw was keen on that :) |
| 10:11.52 | dneary | trickie: Sure |
| 10:12.01 | dneary | trickie: The mailing list is really the best place |
| 10:12.11 | dneary | Don't hesitate to create a new thread if you have questions |
| 10:12.18 | trickie | dneary: cool, ill try tonight (if my internet is back on at home) |
| 10:12.20 | trickie | sure |
| 10:12.36 | trickie | i have asked before, but would like to get them into the official list :) |
| 10:12.42 | dneary | lardman, trickie: Someone posted a link to a log that's online on the list today |
| 10:12.56 | dneary | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html |
| 10:13.02 | lardman | it's cut short |
| 10:14.13 | johnx | email sent, lardman and trickie |
| 10:14.19 | trickie | ta |
| 10:14.34 | lardman | thx |
| 10:14.49 | johnx | sure :) |
| 10:14.53 | johnx | makes dinner |
| 10:15.01 | aquatix | johnx: enjoy |
| 10:16.04 | lardman | might be worth someone summarising the questions which were asked - I'll have a look through |
| 10:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see that community list of "goals only Nokia can accomplish" on the wiki. |
| 10:18.07 | hrw | morning |
| 10:18.14 | lardman | and a parallel list of goals that the community should accompilish |
| 10:18.18 | lardman | hrw: hi |
| 10:18.29 | hrw | I have full log if someone need |
| 10:18.38 | lardman | I've got it now thanks hrw |
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| 10:19.17 | hrw | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/maemo-meeting.log |
| 10:20.16 | hrw | it is from 20:30 to end |
| 10:20.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: successful install of debian here on n800 - rebooted at first after fscking the ext2 filesystem (forgot to umount cleanly), but else fine |
| 10:23.23 | trickie | hrw: that 403's for me, but i have johnx's log now |
| 10:24.01 | pupnik_ | my favorite part about discussion, meetings and coordination is if the result is someone writing code based on my ideas :) |
| 10:24.01 | hrw | trickie: fixed |
| 10:24.24 | pupnik_ | doesn't happen often enough :) |
| 10:25.44 | pupnik_ | i hope lardman gets more assistance from the big finnish company |
| 10:26.06 | pupnik_ | or from someone else smart like hrw :) |
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| 10:31.56 | lardman | has had lots of help from hrw in the past |
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| 10:36.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: do you have some scripts describing how to do a debian setup from scratch perhaps? |
| 10:36.41 | johnx | basically I used debootstrap and a lot of stuff by hand |
| 10:36.54 | johnx | xomap is copied from os2008, as is the sound stuff |
| 10:37.11 | Stskeeps | k - could be interesting to make an install script and package some of the stuff i guess |
| 10:37.16 | johnx | /etc/init.d/tablet-utils (not mine) handles some boot stuff |
| 10:37.25 | johnx | yeah I have a lot of cleaning up to do |
| 10:37.37 | Stskeeps | but looks darn nice so far :) |
| 10:37.41 | johnx | thanks |
| 10:38.05 | johnx | I'll redo it later and make the script as I go |
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| 10:47.25 | hrw | lardman: and vice versa |
| 10:52.17 | grape | johnx: nice work on the Debian stuff |
| 10:53.00 | grape | it worked right out of the brown paper bag |
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| 10:53.54 | pupnik_ | are there any consumer devices that debian armel runs on besides nokia tablets? |
| 10:54.08 | pupnik_ | there was something for psion netbook that was armel iirc |
| 10:57.50 | aquatix | home routers :) |
| 10:58.08 | aquatix | maybe the Zaurus? |
| 10:58.14 | aquatix | or was that just arm? |
| 10:58.54 | pupnik_ | never had a zaurus |
| 10:59.05 | trickie | i think someone got it bootstrapped on a gumstix, but thats not really a 'consumer device' |
| 10:59.17 | trickie | and im not sure which gumstix |
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| 11:05.29 | lardman | urgh, I've been splitting the irc log into seperate conversations, my brain is feeling the pain |
| 11:06.01 | hrw | pupnik_: many NAS devices run armel |
| 11:07.39 | hrw | who maintain mediawiki on maemo.org? I would like to register |
| 11:08.26 | Jon | pupnik_: I run it on my thecus n2100 (a NAS box); it also runs on nslu2's |
| 11:10.52 | RST38h | is armel a platform as opposed to plain arm? |
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| 11:12.20 | hrw | RST38h: armel is going to replace arm in debian |
| 11:12.44 | RST38h | but what is the physical meaning? |
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| 11:14.57 | hrw | armel use eabi |
| 11:15.04 | hrw | req armv4t+ |
| 11:17.25 | johnx | aquatix, I have debian (and angstrom) on the zaurus right next to me :) |
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| 11:28.10 | RST38h | hrw: so, it is calling convention? |
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| 11:32.13 | lardman | RST38h: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 11:35.47 | RST38h | Found it. It's calling convention and a few other thigns. |
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| 11:45.27 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/meeting/ I started splitting the IRC log into separate threads |
| 11:45.59 | lardman | but got rather confused in the middle - they were not answers to my questions so I was probably not paying enough attention |
| 11:46.14 | lardman | if anyone fancies filling in the gaps, etc., then please do so |
| 11:46.28 | lardman | I've got about half way though the IRC log |
| 11:48.16 | RST38h | The Catholic Churchs top astronomer has said there is no contradiction between the one true faith and believing in aliens. |
| 11:48.18 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 11:48.35 | lardman | just means the aliens all believe too |
| 11:49.12 | RST38h | But does it mean that Jesus had gray skin and huge black eyes? |
| 11:51.28 | lardman | can't be bothered with theological debate before lunch, sorry |
| 11:51.32 | lardman | ;) |
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| 11:56.08 | johnx | hmm...cell writer is kinda slow :/ |
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| 12:13.09 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.18 | aquatix | pft |
| 12:13.27 | pupnik_ | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 12:13.27 | aquatix | sid is rather up-to-date |
| 12:13.42 | jku_ | pupnik_, what do you mean? I just got a new openssl :) |
| 12:13.43 | pupnik_ | and by extension, sidux is |
| 12:13.43 | aquatix | i think almost more than ubuntu |
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| 12:14.20 | aquatix | lol |
| 12:14.24 | Blafasel | jku_: Ouch :) |
| 12:14.31 | aquatix | Gentoo! ZOMG SO FAST! |
| 12:14.47 | Blafasel | Gentoo is not about fast, imo |
| 12:15.10 | aquatix | for quite some people, it is |
| 12:15.19 | aquatix | too each his own |
| 12:15.34 | aquatix | rather not wastes time compiling stuff when wanting to install something |
| 12:15.49 | johnx | ^what he said^ |
| 12:16.25 | aquatix | has a build farm doing that for him |
| 12:16.27 | aquatix | :P |
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| 12:17.42 | pupnik_ | i had fun with gentoo, but the 'ricer' analogy is somewhat true, if mean-spirited. like aquatix says 'to each his own' |
| 12:18.12 | aquatix | yeah, i can't really be bothered what flavour people use |
| 12:18.20 | aquatix | i like the simplicity of the apt system |
| 12:18.40 | aquatix | but someone else wants to pull a git tree, patch some and compile it |
| 12:18.59 | lopz | morning |
| 12:19.13 | aquatix | hey lopz |
| 12:19.24 | pupnik_ | with debian i have the choice to compile or just install |
| 12:19.28 | lopz | ;) |
| 12:19.43 | pupnik_ | and sidux has daily hotfixes to .sid problems |
| 12:19.54 | pupnik_ | and a nice kernel installer script - e-z |
| 12:25.30 | trickie | i find for admin duties gentoo kicks ass, but you need the resources and expertice to set it up right |
| 12:25.36 | trickie | build farms etc |
| 12:25.45 | trickie | not what im gonna recommend to my mum :) |
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| 12:33.01 | aquatix | trickie: my mom runs slackware ;) |
| 12:33.06 | aquatix | i kid, i kid |
| 12:33.16 | johnx | my mom runs ubuntu actually :) |
| 12:33.26 | trickie | he he |
| 12:33.27 | aquatix | my mom ran debian sid |
| 12:33.32 | MajMin7 | has anyone ever used libgps? |
| 12:33.33 | aquatix | until the laptop broke |
| 12:33.39 | aquatix | now she has a vista laptop :/ |
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| 12:35.53 | solmumaha | my mom runs freebsd |
| 12:36.45 | solmumaha | and ubuntu |
| 12:42.02 | solmumaha | they do work fine if person using them hasn't used windows before |
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| 12:42.48 | johnx | or has used windows, realized all they do is check their mail, surf the web, type things in word and play solitaire :) |
| 12:43.21 | solmumaha | well i just installed xubuntu for a person who had a pirated windows and didn't want to pay for one |
| 12:43.28 | solmumaha | he only uses firefox |
| 12:43.45 | solmumaha | and today he called how it's so different now and started whining about everything |
| 12:44.00 | johnx | and you told him to shove it? |
| 12:44.17 | solmumaha | i really wanted to |
| 12:45.00 | solmumaha | spent ages getting it installed, the machine was so f%#!# up |
| 12:45.28 | trickie | is he just whinging or does he need some documentation? |
| 12:45.29 | solmumaha | had to replace harddrive, all cables and use a different dvd-drive |
| 12:45.39 | trickie | or just wants windows without paying :) |
| 12:46.00 | wnd | some people just don't know what's best for them |
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| 12:46.09 | solmumaha | i told him he can't use any old program he is used to |
| 12:46.19 | solmumaha | said it's ok, he only uses firefox |
| 12:46.34 | johnx | I switched my wife from XP to Ubuntu. Her laptop has some weird hardware issues that Linux apparently copes with but makes Windows slow to a crawl. She's pretty much adjusted after a couple weeks...but I think she still misses photoshop a lot |
| 12:46.37 | solmumaha | and first question was "can i have windows media player installed" |
| 12:47.18 | trickie | solmumaha: ha ha |
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| 12:49.07 | solmumaha | and the thing is, i can't really avoid this person, he's a postman and i see him deliver mail here every day and he knows some of my relatives |
| 12:50.31 | n800n | johnx did she try gimpshop? |
| 12:50.44 | johnx | gimpshop doesn't really appear to do much... |
| 12:50.48 | solmumaha | i have enough trouble with relatives and friends, maybe i should just draw the line there and be a blunt about it to others |
| 12:50.59 | johnx | her biggest gripes are the shape tool, and missing all her brushes |
| 12:51.14 | johnx | solmumaha, I've found that to be a good policy |
| 12:51.36 | johnx | mostly I tell people "If you're asking me what kind of computer you need: buy a mac" |
| 12:51.50 | solmumaha | i haven't used windows in ages either and don't even own a pc |
| 12:52.09 | johnx | yeah, my windows troubleshooting skills are getting rusty |
| 12:52.30 | solmumaha | vista was a disaster imo |
| 12:52.44 | solmumaha | they managed to really mess it up |
| 12:52.52 | johnx | I poked at it once at a friend's house and once at a computer shop |
| 12:53.10 | johnx | it seemed nice enough...but the system requirements are kind of ridiculous if true |
| 12:53.37 | solmumaha | it was annoying to configure |
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| 12:53.58 | johnx | hmm |
| 12:55.09 | solmumaha | i used freebsd for ages but i do like os x nowadays, it's good enough even though leopard has some annoying features |
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| 12:56.08 | n800n | i dunno man, gimp does a lot of cool stuff |
| 12:56.14 | n800n | brushes too |
| 12:56.22 | johnx | n800n, don't get me wrong...I love gimp |
| 12:56.33 | johnx | I can't stand photoshop myself |
| 12:56.51 | johnx | but she's been using it for a long time and she's just grumpy that she has to relearn stuff |
| 12:56.55 | johnx | It's understandable |
| 12:57.00 | n800n | yeah |
| 12:57.32 | n800n | has she tried inkscape? |
| 12:58.12 | johnx | nah |
| 12:58.32 | johnx | and she's less angry at gimp as time goes by too |
| 12:58.38 | johnx | I'll point it out to her though |
| 12:59.04 | johnx | anyways, I'm gonna catch some sleep...fading fast |
| 12:59.12 | johnx | 'night all |
| 12:59.13 | n800n | nighr |
| 12:59.16 | n800n | t |
| 12:59.33 | trickie | night |
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| 13:00.56 | dneary | Hi |
| 13:01.48 | trickie | howdy |
| 13:05.32 | Navi | damn |
| 13:05.36 | Navi | missed him |
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| 14:55.20 | kikka_ | Heya. |
| 14:55.29 | qwerty12 | Hi |
| 14:55.31 | unixSnob | Any EE folks here understand why this DC adapter doesn't have a voltage switch? http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=3379358 |
| 14:56.29 | kikka_ | Are there updates for openssl avaible? (are there the same problemes with the keys?) |
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| 14:57.05 | unixSnob | It has a power output of 8 watts. So since power=current * voltage, does that mean the current is 8/5ths on a 5V device? |
| 14:57.33 | ||cw | unixSnob: pretty much all cell phones use 5V these days, and ones that don't can have a little pull-up or down in the tip |
| 14:58.09 | ||cw | as for amps, that's a max rating, a device will only pull what it seens |
| 14:58.10 | ||cw | needs |
| 14:58.33 | unixSnob | what I'm unsure of is if my device will overdraw that adapter |
| 14:58.40 | unixSnob | my device needs 2A |
| 14:59.02 | ||cw | sounds like it would |
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| 15:00.31 | unixSnob | The way i understand it, a device will draw what it needs but the PSU must be set on the right voltage. So I'm confused on how the igo PSU doesn't have a voltage setting |
| 15:00.37 | kulve | kikka_: I think the openssl in maemo is to old to have that bug |
| 15:00.43 | kulve | s,to,too, |
| 15:00.52 | kikka_ | kulve, sounds good |
| 15:01.57 | unixSnob | So, am I looking for a DC adapter that's 10+ watts? |
| 15:02.09 | kulve | kikka_: I'm not 100% sure though, it's some sarge version. So don't count on my word :) |
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| 15:10.09 | kikka_ | kulve, apt-get upgrade upgrades my openssh... |
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| 15:20.12 | ||cw | unixSnob: it doesn't have a voltage setting because it is only compatible with 5V devices |
| 15:21.45 | unixSnob | ||cw: thanks. I didn't see that anywhere in the specs. |
| 15:23.35 | qwerty12 | Who remembers the bootmenu before fanoush's one? The one for 770 that displayed a penguin in the corner? :) |
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| 15:28.06 | RST38h | KILL ZE PENGUIN! KILL ZE PENGUIN! |
| 15:28.24 | qwerty12 | Tux hater :p |
| 15:28.54 | RST38h | ugly, smelly bird |
| 15:29.03 | RST38h | does not fly. eats rotten fish. |
| 15:29.22 | RST38h | does not sing. isn't edible. pretty stupid, even as birds go. |
| 15:29.42 | RST38h | no use for head decorations or coats. |
| 15:29.52 | qwerty12 | 0_o |
| 15:30.03 | unixSnob | just read a news article recently about a penguin getting raped by a seal |
| 15:30.04 | RST38h | no known methods of sexual molestation exist. |
| 15:30.14 | RST38h | [other than by a seal of course] |
| 15:30.16 | ricko73 | ...bbbbbut penguins are cute |
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| 15:35.02 | unixSnob | ricko73: seals think so too! |
| 15:35.40 | kulve | kikka_: maybe ssh (as that's not provided by nokia) but I guess it didn't upgrade your libssl |
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| 15:36.48 | kikka_ | Hmm |
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| 15:44.15 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi |
| 15:44.26 | qwerty12 | If you have ssh, telnet is not needed? |
| 15:44.27 | qwerty12 | Hi |
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| 15:51.59 | qwerty12 | Any one experienced with initfs modifying? I've gone and integrated bootmenu into latest diablo initfs by hand but I don't have enough free space. Except looking at initfs flasher,does anyone else know what files could be removed? |
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| 16:04.48 | qwerty12 | is just too sick. I went and integrated fanoush's bootmenu into diablo initfs. A good hours work. My initfs version is now 2008-17-qwerty12-diablo/bootmenu-custom :p |
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| 16:10.14 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/05/tryanotherholea82d584vx9.jpg |
| 16:10.59 | qwerty12 | w00t, g33k's heaven |
| 16:11.26 | RST38h | qwerty: And replace Nokia's logo with the original one: http://bp2.blogger.com/_DQk-PjsLD-A/Rs_Ik3vaxjI/AAAAAAAAARs/zmPlPv2ZDbU/s1600-h/120px-Nokia_logo_%281865%29.svg+copy.jpg |
| 16:11.33 | Navi | bleh |
| 16:11.54 | Navi | I can't turn on power saving wifi in Debian >_> |
| 16:11.54 | RST38h | The Rabid Fish better applies to these tablets |
| 16:11.55 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I've seen that one. Ugly :P :) |
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| 16:33.31 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi ... again |
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| 16:34.03 | Khertan_on_n810 | someone know how to launch a wlan connection from python ? |
| 16:34.21 | hrw | exec("ifup wlan0")? |
| 16:34.40 | hrw | or rather "import os\n os.exec('ifup wlan0')" |
| 16:35.28 | mgedmin | I think you mean os.system, but does it actually work? |
| 16:35.33 | mgedmin | on debian ifup usually needs root |
| 16:35.41 | Khertan_on_n810 | this just test the connection ? it does nt init it or launch the selection dialog isn't it ? |
| 16:35.46 | mgedmin | has maemo hooked it up to icd? |
| 16:36.04 | _berto_ | you can also press Ctrl+Z, type ifup wlan0 and then fg to go back to python :-))) |
| 16:36.33 | fysa | can't you just try to access the network? |
| 16:36.36 | hrw | mgedmin: it does not work of course |
| 16:36.54 | Khertan_on_n810 | if i try to access the network i get a dns error |
| 16:36.54 | mgedmin | thought so |
| 16:37.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | but it doesn t init it |
| 16:39.30 | solmumaha | Khertan_on_n810: conic? |
| 16:40.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | conic ? |
| 16:40.25 | qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html |
| 16:40.26 | Khertan_on_n810 | is it a python module ? |
| 16:40.30 | Khertan_on_n810 | thx |
| 16:40.31 | lcuk | with networking i expect the user to be the one to initiate it, even if they say ask first, asking and selecting network dialog takes battery. MUCH better to just fail unless connected |
| 16:40.51 | lcuk | but im not here right now ;) |
| 16:41.12 | KotCzarny | yeah, not here |
| 16:41.30 | KotCzarny | we all see what you do there |
| 16:41.38 | qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, it may be possible to bring up standard maemo internet connection diablo via dbus. |
| 16:42.11 | solmumaha | Khertan_on_n810: didn't we have this discussion months ago? :) |
| 16:42.42 | Khertan_on_n810 | no month ago this was to not bring the dialog |
| 16:42.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
| 16:42.49 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 16:43.08 | Khertan_on_n810 | and scan the availaible ap silently |
| 16:43.36 | solmumaha | ah |
| 16:43.41 | dieman | wow |
| 16:43.47 | dieman | the maemo sdk is on akamai ;) |
| 16:43.54 | dieman | no wonder its downloading iat nearly 2M/sec |
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| 16:45.39 | timelyx | yes maemo is hosted by akamai |
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| 16:46.51 | dieman | repository.maemo.org is 'not so fast' ;) |
| 16:47.05 | dieman | now that school is done, getting the sdk installed |
| 16:47.09 | dieman | going to start working on an app |
| 16:47.34 | FreeNom | what to use for mobile internet connections with N810 (in Finland)? |
| 16:47.42 | FreeNom | hi, btw |
| 16:47.46 | qwerty12 | A phone :p |
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| 16:48.20 | FreeNom | hm |
| 16:48.29 | unixSnob | it pisses me off when vendors withold specs. What's the power rating of this thing: http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/undcad.html |
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| 16:49.19 | KotCzarny | doesn't look tough |
| 16:49.22 | FreeNom | Huawei E220 ? |
| 16:49.25 | KotCzarny | probably simple chip inside |
| 16:49.34 | KotCzarny | (@ unixsnob) |
| 16:49.59 | unixSnob | Is a simple chip capable of 2 amps? |
| 16:50.05 | KotCzarny | not at this price |
| 16:50.06 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 16:50.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:50.18 | dieman | FreeNom: i'd get my hands on something that can do bluetooth and some sort of mobile data |
| 16:50.29 | dieman | uses a nokia 6133, but thats because the USA sucks at data |
| 16:50.32 | dieman | yay, edge! |
| 16:50.39 | dieman | i might get 3g in the next 2 years |
| 16:50.50 | FreeNom | thanks dieman |
| 16:50.52 | unixSnob | well, dealextreme.com has one for 6 USD, which is capable of 2A (but out of stock) |
| 16:51.03 | KotCzarny | out of stock doesn't matter |
| 16:51.05 | FreeNom | found sth like that |
| 16:51.10 | dieman | i had picked up a 12v->4usb and a usb->nokia plug |
| 16:51.14 | KotCzarny | i have seen n800 for 160, ouf of stock |
| 16:51.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:51.20 | KotCzarny | (160$) |
| 16:51.25 | dieman | but the 12v->4usb can't do enough power for the n810 |
| 16:51.32 | FreeNom | but only windows and Mac mentioned |
| 16:51.49 | dieman | if the n810 says its not charging, does it use the power to at least keep the device running instead of using battery? |
| 16:51.50 | unixSnob | Here's one that can do 2A => http://www.laptoptravel.com/Product.aspx?ID=2019 but the thing looks like it uses a massive transformer |
| 16:51.55 | timelyx | kulve: the one in chinook is too old |
| 16:52.02 | timelyx | the one scheduled for diablo is just right |
| 16:52.17 | timelyx | kulve: i filed a bug, no guarantee it'll be fixed before SR |
| 16:52.30 | KotCzarny | 2A but at which voltage? |
| 16:52.31 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:52.33 | dieman | FreeNom: what about windows/mac? |
| 16:52.37 | RST38h | More power! More power! |
| 16:52.47 | unixSnob | KotCzarny: I need 5V |
| 16:52.58 | KotCzarny | that was rethorical question |
| 16:53.04 | RST38h | melter a power supply like that once |
| 16:53.10 | RST38h | s/melter/melted |
| 16:53.11 | unixSnob | ah, i see what you meant |
| 16:53.14 | FreeNom | were mentioned with that modem (huawei e220 based) |
| 16:53.18 | dieman | why 2A? |
| 16:53.22 | dieman | at 5V? |
| 16:53.40 | dieman | FreeNom: ahh. |
| 16:53.45 | FreeNom | :( |
| 16:53.46 | unixSnob | My portable hotspot demands 2A at 5V (the cradlepoint phs300) |
| 16:53.47 | dieman | oh for the e220 |
| 16:53.49 | dieman | i see |
| 16:53.52 | dieman | yeah |
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| 16:54.45 | RST38h | <=15Wt is normal for access points, small routers, etc |
| 16:55.18 | KotCzarny | i think wrt54g is rated 5v, 1a |
| 16:55.34 | unixSnob | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115314&doy=14m5&C=SO&U=strat15 <= that one looks impressive.. but not worth 25 euros plus whatever it costs to ship to the US |
| 16:55.56 | qwerty12 | In uk, we use pounds :/ |
| 16:55.56 | RST38h | dlink-624 wants 5V/1.5A |
| 16:56.06 | RST38h | pounds of what? =) |
| 16:56.07 | unixSnob | Well, the phs300 also has to drive a CDU680 EVDO modem, which is power hungry too |
| 16:56.10 | KotCzarny | unixsnob, just find ap that works on 12V |
| 16:56.15 | KotCzarny | and problem solved |
| 16:56.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:56.56 | dieman | heh |
| 16:57.12 | dieman | you still need electronics if you put it on a car |
| 16:57.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:57.44 | FreeNom | any finns around? |
| 16:57.45 | KotCzarny | true |
| 16:57.53 | KotCzarny | (@dieman) |
| 16:58.11 | unixSnob | dieman: are you talking about the maplin PSU? it takes 12V input |
| 16:58.23 | timelyx | FreeNom: people living in finland? |
| 16:58.28 | FreeNom | yep |
| 16:58.37 | timelyx | looks at hostname |
| 16:58.46 | KotCzarny | there are people living in finland? |
| 16:58.48 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 16:58.51 | qwerty12 | omg |
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| 16:58.52 | FreeNom | :D |
| 16:58.53 | timelyx | timelyx is n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi (timeless) |
| 16:59.03 | Navi | Hi timelyx |
| 16:59.05 | timelyx | i guess i'm unfortunate enough to qualify |
| 16:59.07 | timelyx | hi Navi |
| 16:59.08 | FreeNom | ah |
| 16:59.23 | KotCzarny | timylyx: that could be a shell account :) |
| 16:59.37 | qwerty12 | so elisa-laajakaista like the biggest provider, most Finns I see use Elisa :) (just curious, I'm in UK( |
| 16:59.41 | Mousey | it could be a ssh proxy |
| 16:59.44 | timelyx | 07:59 Notice CTCP VERSION reply from timelyx: Snak for Macintosh 5.3.3 English |
| 16:59.56 | timelyx | ime ssh proxies cause the ident to say "root" |
| 16:59.58 | KotCzarny | ctcp version can be faked |
| 16:59.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:59.59 | timelyx | which is quite amusing :) |
| 17:00.07 | Mousey | they do? mine doesn't |
| 17:00.07 | timelyx | trust me? |
| 17:00.14 | Khertan_on_n810 | snak ? it s still exist |
| 17:00.16 | KotCzarny | trust no1 |
| 17:00.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:00.26 | timelyx | Mousey: i used to come from a spiffy uni server |
| 17:00.31 | timelyx | via ssh forwarding |
| 17:00.34 | timelyx | and my ident was root@ |
| 17:00.35 | Mousey | now look at you |
| 17:00.37 | timelyx | it was very amusing :) |
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| 17:00.51 | Mousey | i always come from a ssh proxy and it never says root |
| 17:00.57 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.59 | Mousey | NEVER!!! |
| 17:00.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:01.04 | Mousey | waves menacingly |
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| 17:01.13 | timelyx | KotCzarny: authenticated root@ |
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| 17:01.29 | KotCzarny | identd can be faking too :) |
| 17:01.45 | timelyx | KotCzarny: the host was a well known server |
| 17:01.50 | timelyx | it was trustworthy |
| 17:02.00 | KotCzarny | you could have known server admin :) |
| 17:02.01 | timelyx | if you irc'd from the box, it reported correctly |
| 17:02.05 | timelyx | if you used forwarding, it wasn't |
| 17:02.33 | KotCzarny | could be misconfigured too |
| 17:02.34 | Navi | :/ |
| 17:02.39 | timelyx | but anyway, ... |
| 17:02.46 | timelyx | what can i do for you? |
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| 17:02.51 | KotCzarny | sandwich |
| 17:02.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:03.10 | FreeNom | timelyx: have a PM in finnish? |
| 17:03.15 | KotCzarny | with cheese pls :) |
| 17:03.48 | timelyx | i don't speak finnish :) |
| 17:03.51 | timelyx | i'm studying :) |
| 17:04.05 | FreeNom | hmm |
| 17:04.11 | Navi | timelyx, really? |
| 17:04.13 | Navi | Wow |
| 17:04.21 | FreeNom | sorry then |
| 17:04.31 | FreeNom | thought u were from here |
| 17:04.36 | FreeNom | :( |
| 17:04.40 | Navi | timelyx, why isn't the latest version of microb in diablo? |
| 17:04.53 | Navi | or uh, the testing build |
| 17:04.59 | timelyx | Navi: um, what version is in it? |
| 17:05.12 | Navi | I don't remember |
| 17:05.19 | timelyx | Navi: we branched for diablo |
| 17:05.23 | Navi | Ah |
| 17:05.26 | timelyx | as it happens they're pushing us to pull in more fixes |
| 17:05.45 | KotCzarny | fix junkies |
| 17:06.00 | timelyx | so it's quite likely what you'll see is newer than what you got |
| 17:07.00 | timelyx | KotCzarny: only sometimes |
| 17:07.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:07.35 | Khertan_on_n810 | why google have made a so disturbed gdata python api ??? |
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| 17:10.33 | timelyx | Navi: anyway, time for me to attack my router and work on relnotes |
| 17:10.47 | Navi | k |
| 17:16.20 | picoshark | hi all, 770 newbie here. installed latest 2007hacker.xxx can i use http_proxy variable in sources.lst like regular debian? |
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| 17:23.47 | lardman | any LinuxTag attendees about? |
| 17:24.04 | lcuk | i am but im looking for a new suitcase |
| 17:24.12 | lardman | :) |
| 17:24.31 | lardman | I was wondering when we were going to discuss talks & food/drinks/general meeting up |
| 17:25.16 | lcuk | im not sure, but what i know is me and pupnik arrive on wednesday dinner - so wed night would be good |
| 17:25.40 | lcuk | http://www.artotel.de/berlin_mitte/berlin.html |
| 17:25.44 | lcuk | thats where we are |
| 17:25.45 | lardman | I arrive on Tuesday evening, so would work for me |
| 17:26.20 | mgedmin | is going to linuxtag too |
| 17:26.22 | lardman | lcuk: are your bookings though the Nokia travel agent? |
| 17:26.23 | Navi | http://www.xenf.net/images/cellwriter_n800.png <- Debian is cool :o |
| 17:26.24 | lcuk | we have wireless internet in room, so emailing would be possible |
| 17:26.31 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:26.51 | lardman | mgedmin: when are you getting there? |
| 17:26.58 | lcuk | mgedmin, are you going with nokia or under your own steam |
| 17:27.07 | mgedmin | nokia |
| 17:27.07 | lardman | lcuk: I seem to remember Quim saying that all the attendees would be at the same hotel? |
| 17:27.12 | qwerty12 | I've gone and untarred debian, I'm trying it now :) |
| 17:27.26 | keesj | Navi: looks cool |
| 17:27.26 | mgedmin | let me check... 27 may is tuesday, right? |
| 17:27.28 | Navi | qwerty12, hard to use without swap |
| 17:27.46 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:27.55 | qwerty12 | Navi, :/. I'll go and make one later :) |
| 17:28.01 | dougt | does anyone know which scratchbox package bfd.h is part of? |
| 17:28.05 | keesj | horray for the new wiki to come! |
| 17:28.11 | dougt | i thought it was binutils, but no dice. |
| 17:28.12 | Navi | I just used the one that was made in maemo |
| 17:28.40 | lcuk | whats the bfd with bfd? |
| 17:28.59 | dougt | heh |
| 17:29.08 | dougt | yeah. BFD! |
| 17:29.51 | lcuk | lardman, he said he would try |
| 17:30.02 | lcuk | you arent booked through nokia though are you |
| 17:30.05 | Navi | qwerty12, the N800 always runs hot though |
| 17:30.12 | lcuk | hand warmer |
| 17:30.18 | Navi | I can't turn on power saving wifi |
| 17:30.22 | qwerty12 | Navi, I'm used to it :) |
| 17:30.30 | dougt | Navi: what you mean, the one made in maemo? |
| 17:30.38 | Navi | the .swap |
| 17:30.41 | dougt | is it installed in your scratchbox maemo sdk? |
| 17:30.44 | dougt | ah. |
| 17:30.52 | dougt | your fu is strong. |
| 17:30.54 | qwerty12 | Navi, how to check power saving? I'll try later. |
| 17:31.04 | KotCzarny | qwerty: dmesg|tail |
| 17:31.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:31.18 | qwerty12 | :/. Thanks :/ |
| 17:31.25 | lcuk | gah, between suitcase explosions and dvd burning taking hours (x16 burner at x2 speed \-/) |
| 17:31.56 | KotCzarny | at least it's not you burning the holes in the plastic |
| 17:31.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:32.16 | lcuk | thats the laser |
| 17:32.24 | lcuk | flexes his fingers when saying that |
| 17:33.36 | Khertan_on_n810 | arg can t open more than 15 xterm window ... |
| 17:33.56 | dougt | another question. Is there a way to ensure that power mode is complete disabled and we are running as fast as possible. I have a device that is used for testing Fennec, and it runs over a page loading test to watch memory growth. I don't want to have mess with UI to enable/disable power settings. |
| 17:33.58 | lcuk | yes i run into that problem every day |
| 17:34.04 | qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, I think max value somewhere needs increasing |
| 17:34.11 | qwerty12 | Check in osso-af-init somwhere |
| 17:34.27 | Khertan_on_n810 | thx ! |
| 17:35.00 | lardman | lcuk: Do we need to get tickets for LinuxTag ourselves, or do we get them automatically? |
| 17:35.11 | lcuk | dougt, yes, write "performance" to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor to run at full speed, revert to "ondemand" or "powersave" when done |
| 17:35.37 | lcuk | lardman, im not sure and if you find out this week could you mail me |
| 17:35.45 | lardman | will do |
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| 17:36.10 | lardman | with that said I'm away most of the week so probably in the same boat as you are |
| 17:36.21 | lcuk | infact, would be better to post onto dev list so everyone needing to know will find out |
| 17:36.42 | lcuk | ask the question there? then we see replies |
| 17:36.50 | KotCzarny | or make a faq |
| 17:36.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:36.56 | KotCzarny | and post a link repeatedly |
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| 17:37.20 | dougt | thanks lcuk ! |
| 17:37.34 | lcuk | right, my 810 - if im taking it on the plane how do i get into wireless OFF mode? |
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| 17:38.20 | sp3000 | power button, short press |
| 17:38.31 | lardman | if the plane starts shuddering shut down |
| 17:38.43 | lcuk | lol thx sp |
| 17:39.04 | lcuk | that disables bluetooth as well doesnt it |
| 17:39.29 | sp3000 | looks like it yeah |
| 17:39.47 | lcuk | cool thx |
| 17:40.57 | picoshark | where can i get ncurses? looks like it's missing at http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/n/ncurses/ncurses-base_5.5-1_all.deb |
| 17:41.20 | Navi | ncurses is in the main repo, isn't it? |
| 17:41.51 | picoshark | navi: haven't checked the ver there, actually |
| 17:42.16 | picoshark | navi: until i get proxy set, i have to grab debs on another machine, then move them over |
| 17:43.12 | lcuk | w000t dvd 97% complete |
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| 17:55.11 | Navi | yawns |
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| 18:16.10 | Grackle | johnx: Are you around? I'm curious about what you're doing to get debian set up on the n800. I know you provide tarballs, but I'm more interested in the process. |
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| 18:17.30 | KotCzarny | i think he put howto on maemo.org |
| 18:17.32 | KotCzarny | or itt |
| 18:18.29 | RST38h | Force Feedback Headphones |
| 18:18.36 | RST38h | Umgh. |
| 18:18.58 | unixSnob | never heard of linuxtag till now |
| 18:18.58 | KotCzarny | rst: sounds like a 'good idea [tm]' |
| 18:19.11 | Grackle | The howto is 'how to get the tarball onto your n800,' which is simple enough. I'm interested in the 'how I did it' section, which is now obsolete. |
| 18:19.34 | unixSnob | I see Stallman in the photos at linuxtag.org.. what was he doing there? trying to get them to change the name to gnulinuxtag? |
| 18:19.37 | KotCzarny | grackle: ahm, but i think it's there, even obsoleted |
| 18:20.14 | Grackle | Hah RST38h, a friend of mine has some force feedback headphones. Despite the silly marketspeak, they are quality headphones and a lot of fun with games. |
| 18:20.32 | Stskeeps | Grackle: http://rafb.net/p/Sf0fdf80.html from earlier |
| 18:20.36 | johnx | hey Grackle |
| 18:20.40 | johnx | just woke up actually |
| 18:20.41 | Grackle | Oh, thanks. |
| 18:20.47 | Stskeeps | ah, real johnx came around :P |
| 18:20.52 | Grackle | oh hey |
| 18:21.28 | johnx | so what about the process? |
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| 18:21.35 | Grackle | Are you running i386 debootstrap? |
| 18:21.36 | johnx | I guess I should do a big write-up |
| 18:21.44 | johnx | yup |
| 18:21.48 | RST38h | Grackle: But do they force-feedback? =) |
| 18:21.48 | Grackle | That would be very nice, heh. |
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| 18:21.57 | johnx | I do debootstrap --foreign from x86 |
| 18:22.04 | Grackle | I guess so, RST38h. They rumble. |
| 18:22.09 | johnx | then set it up for usb networking |
| 18:22.29 | RST38h | oh |
| 18:22.31 | johnx | and installed a static dropbear ssh |
| 18:22.35 | Grackle | Oh, --foreign is what I was missing, I think. |
| 18:23.15 | johnx | I also grabbed tablet-utils from pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org's bzr repo |
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| 18:23.49 | johnx | hmm...it's been a long time since I've done this from scratch :) |
| 18:24.03 | johnx | I've been "evolving" the same install for months now |
| 18:24.30 | RST38h | "How to rescue Java from the men in suits" |
| 18:24.46 | RST38h | (Jesus, please, don't let 'em "rescue java"!) |
| 18:24.53 | Grackle | johnx: Ah, I was afraid of that. |
| 18:25.08 | RST38h | let it f@#king die how it should, so that we no longer have to deal with this crap |
| 18:25.35 | flo_lap | RST38h: heh |
| 18:25.50 | johnx | Grackle, it's not too bad to start from scratch as long as you have a machine to do usb networking from |
| 18:25.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: there's always diff -ru comparing your tar.gz and your debootstrap ;) |
| 18:26.09 | johnx | Stskeeps, heh :) |
| 18:26.14 | Grackle | Cool johnx, I'll give it a shot. This should be fun. |
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| 18:26.26 | johnx | Grackle, it definitely was :) |
| 18:26.28 | Grackle | I'll try to make notes along the way to add to the wiki. |
| 18:27.14 | johnx | that would be great! |
| 18:27.27 | johnx | aaah...just remembered: I used utelnetd, not dropbear |
| 18:27.36 | johnx | and I had it run sh instead of login |
| 18:27.58 | johnx | basically you can get a single user shell really early in the init process that way |
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| 18:28.55 | johnx | I also have a "how I did it" for the first debian release thing up here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian-old |
| 18:29.11 | johnx | if you get stuck use that...but I really don't do it quite that way any more |
| 18:30.15 | Grackle | The debootstrap line works though, right? |
| 18:30.16 | johnx | yeah |
| 18:30.31 | johnx | and usb-net+utelnetd is the quickest way to get started |
| 18:30.31 | trickie | johnx: hey! where is that bzr repo? for tablet-utils |
| 18:30.57 | johnx | hidden away on pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org |
| 18:31.10 | johnx | even I didn't know about it until the second release of debian O_o |
| 18:31.20 | johnx | let me find a link |
| 18:31.25 | trickie | cool no rush |
| 18:32.33 | johnx | http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/ |
| 18:33.12 | trickie | ta |
| 18:33.58 | Grackle | Gah, I trimmed my nails today.. *struggles to get his N800 battery out* |
| 18:34.08 | johnx | credit card |
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| 18:34.19 | johnx | or just slap it around a bit :) |
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| 18:34.39 | Grackle | I got it out with a plastic thing on my desk |
| 18:35.02 | Grackle | I didn't want to hit it, but I guess there aren't really any moving parts to damage. |
| 18:35.12 | Grackle | Hell, I dropped it on the floor once, and it's still doing fine. |
| 18:35.37 | johnx | the more you pull the battery the less hard you have to hit it |
| 18:35.53 | johnx | I can just hold mine and kind of give it a firm tap |
| 18:36.29 | Grackle | Ah, yeah, it's just held in place by a couple tabs. |
| 18:38.15 | Grackle | runs debootstrap |
| 18:39.18 | Grackle | Hmm, no binary-armel on that mirror |
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| 18:42.58 | johnx | interesting |
| 18:43.06 | johnx | ftp.debian.org? |
| 18:43.14 | johnx | all the country mirrors seem to have it |
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| 18:44.34 | Navi | hey johnx |
| 18:44.38 | johnx | hey |
| 18:45.00 | Grackle | Yup, I just tried the us mirror and it's working. |
| 18:45.09 | johnx | Navi, ah, power saving and debian? |
| 18:45.11 | Navi | the wifi chip's always running on the N800 in Debian so it's hot :P |
| 18:45.23 | johnx | yeah |
| 18:45.30 | Grackle | ftp.debian-ports.org didn't have it, and I tried another mirror that didn't have something else, but the us mirror seems to be working. |
| 18:45.40 | johnx | I wonder what wlancond does to make it go into power saving mode :| |
| 18:45.59 | johnx | ah, debian ports doesn't have it anymore |
| 18:46.11 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:46.44 | Navi | Cell writer is cool though |
| 18:46.53 | johnx | yeah, though a little slow |
| 18:47.00 | johnx | I mean slow to use, not really slow to run |
| 18:47.05 | Navi | yeah |
| 18:47.18 | Navi | I keep it in the tray |
| 18:47.20 | johnx | writing in monospace just isn't natural |
| 18:47.25 | Navi | hide/unhide when I need it |
| 18:47.43 | johnx | misses grafiti 1 |
| 18:48.04 | Navi | heh |
| 18:48.07 | johnx | even though it ruined my actual handwriting |
| 18:48.19 | Navi | :) |
| 18:49.11 | Navi | I don't know how to switch out WMs on this thing, so I just killed xfdesktop, xfce4-session, and xfwm and replaced it with openbox |
| 18:49.27 | johnx | I was just about to document that :) |
| 18:49.39 | Grackle | hah Navi, I did the exact same thing |
| 18:49.47 | Navi | two hour uptime atm, 50MB ram and 50MB swap used |
| 18:49.47 | johnx | rc.local has a really odd hack that calls /home/user/.xsession |
| 18:49.57 | Navi | though, only thing open is cell writer |
| 18:50.19 | Navi | :) |
| 18:50.40 | Navi | ah |
| 18:50.42 | Navi | got it |
| 18:50.43 | Grackle | Oh, I tried editing .xsession to exec openbox-session (openbox-gnome-session calls on gnome-session, which doesn't exist), and that didn't work. |
| 18:50.48 | Navi | crap |
| 18:50.52 | johnx | I really didn't want to drag down a whole display manager and all pain that goes with it :( |
| 18:51.12 | Navi | I'm used to using vi |
| 18:51.14 | Navi | on the tablet |
| 18:51.22 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:51.31 | Grackle | yay |
| 18:51.57 | Grackle | I actually compiled vim on my n800 |
| 18:52.05 | Navi | There was a vim build |
| 18:52.06 | Navi | :/ |
| 18:52.18 | johnx | Grackle, just for bragging writes? |
| 18:52.19 | Grackle | I've got a deb. Hold on. |
| 18:52.26 | johnx | s/writes/rights |
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| 18:52.54 | Grackle | I just got a build system set up, and I wondered what I could build. vim was the guinea pig |
| 18:52.54 | Navi | Anyways, vi build on Debian doesn't let you use arrows |
| 18:53.21 | Navi | so I need to relearn to type vim |
| 18:53.52 | Grackle | Aw, I was using my friend's server to host files, but I think he's going home from college today. The server is down, anyway. |
| 18:54.06 | Grackle | alias vi to vim |
| 18:54.13 | Navi | meh |
| 18:54.15 | Navi | nah |
| 18:54.23 | Grackle | shrugs |
| 18:54.26 | Navi | I'd rather relearn that extra character |
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| 18:55.32 | Grackle | Oh, johnx, if you have a USB keyboard hooked up, can you switch to virtual consoles? |
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| 18:55.49 | johnx | yup |
| 18:55.50 | keesj | include <maemo.h> #define BEGIN { |
| 18:55.56 | Grackle | hahhh that's awesome |
| 18:56.07 | johnx | yeah...I was having entirely too much fun |
| 18:56.21 | MajMin7 | does anyone have a link to chinook source repositories? |
| 18:56.22 | Navi | lawl |
| 18:56.42 | Navi | I forgot that synergy doesn't capture ctrl+alt+1 |
| 18:56.50 | wnight | Does rlfe work for anyone? I'm trying to get readline support for irb. |
| 18:56.57 | Navi | so I switched on my desktop >_> |
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| 18:57.01 | johnx | MajMin7, at least some is here: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0.1/free/source/ |
| 18:57.13 | johnx | Navi, chvt |
| 18:57.25 | Navi | eh |
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| 18:58.12 | Grackle | lol Navi |
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| 18:58.37 | Navi | matchbox keyboard is annoying |
| 18:59.04 | Navi | there's the main keyboard that would be perfectly usable with thumbs when stretched out |
| 18:59.20 | Navi | and then there's the four rarely used buttons on the side with a huge chunk of whitespace below |
| 18:59.37 | johnx | I think you can feed it a different layout |
| 18:59.51 | johnx | Please, fix it and tell me. :) |
| 18:59.57 | Navi | If that isn't a huge wtf, I don't know what is. |
| 19:00.31 | Grackle | I dislike the fact that the matchbox keyboard keys have spaces in between them. |
| 19:00.38 | johnx | me too |
| 19:00.41 | Navi | I tried finding it, but it doesn't mention it in the man page |
| 19:00.52 | Navi | nor on google |
| 19:01.12 | Navi | I'm fine with that |
| 19:01.19 | johnx | dpkg -L matchbox-keyboard |
| 19:01.21 | Navi | it keeps me from accidentally tapping the key next to it |
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| 19:02.13 | Grackle | Haha, from matchbox-project.org. Features... "Well Documented." *clicks on 'Documented' link* FOUR OH FOUR! |
| 19:02.42 | Navi | johnx, comes with different layouts |
| 19:02.56 | johnx | great |
| 19:03.20 | johnx | I'll poke at it in a sec |
| 19:03.21 | Navi | xml files |
| 19:03.23 | Navi | easy 'nuff |
| 19:03.35 | Navi | deletes |
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| 19:04.31 | johnx | heh...We can have a ginormous number pad |
| 19:04.35 | johnx | someone has to want that |
| 19:04.41 | Grackle | http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/README Navi, here's some documentation on matchbox-keyboard (worth noting is the section on keyboard layouts) |
| 19:04.41 | Navi | >_> |
| 19:05.31 | johnx | Navi, and the same README is in /usr/share/doc/matchbox-keyboard of course :P |
| 19:06.26 | Navi | pfft |
| 19:06.30 | Navi | awesome |
| 19:06.42 | Navi | I removed the space tags and now I have a big keyboard |
| 19:07.21 | Navi | scrot time |
| 19:07.28 | Navi | btw |
| 19:07.40 | Navi | it bugs me that the user account is expired :P |
| 19:08.42 | johnx | password -u user |
| 19:08.51 | johnx | why do I even write wikis? >_> |
| 19:08.54 | Navi | http://www.xenf.net/images/matchbox-keyboard.png |
| 19:08.58 | Navi | Because you suck |
| 19:09.10 | johnx | that looks nice |
| 19:09.13 | johnx | I forgive you |
| 19:09.22 | Grackle | haha |
| 19:09.23 | Navi | :P |
| 19:09.32 | Grackle | oh very nice |
| 19:09.34 | Grackle | also huge |
| 19:09.58 | Navi | huge indeed |
| 19:10.12 | pupnik_ | wow a virtual keyboard with things in the right place |
| 19:10.14 | pupnik_ | falls over |
| 19:10.15 | Navi | lets me thumb around |
| 19:10.15 | Grackle | I think I'd prefer having the numpad and no number row |
| 19:10.34 | johnx | Grackle, just crack open an xml file :) |
| 19:10.39 | Navi | Just make your own |
| 19:10.41 | Navi | yeah |
| 19:10.42 | KotCzarny | pupnik: ever seen xvkbd ? :) |
| 19:10.45 | Grackle | yup, I probably will |
| 19:10.47 | Grackle | the default sucks |
| 19:10.49 | johnx | you can even keep more layouts around and launch them with separate shortcuts :D |
| 19:10.50 | Navi | you can have shifted keys |
| 19:11.10 | Navi | I'm going to add a numpad on the shifted symbol state |
| 19:11.11 | pupnik_ | yeah KotCzarny i need to promote xvkbd more |
| 19:11.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:11.22 | Navi | and take out the top row |
| 19:11.26 | pupnik_ | since xkbd is broken on os2008 |
| 19:11.31 | Navi | change \ to backspace |
| 19:12.08 | Navi | http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml |
| 19:12.14 | Navi | that's what I have in the screenie |
| 19:12.33 | Grackle | So, somehow I really borked my ITOS installation. I'm not sure what I did (I think I just shut down improperly), but now I no longer have controls (scroll bars, sliders, buttons) and some other graphical elements are missing. |
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| 19:12.50 | johnx | O_o |
| 19:13.09 | Grackle | It is very strange, to say the least. |
| 19:13.12 | lcuk | Grackle, head down to engineering and control the ship from there |
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| 19:13.17 | KotCzarny | grackle: try selecting another theme? |
| 19:13.37 | Grackle | Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. I'll give that a shot. |
| 19:13.40 | Grackle | boots back up |
| 19:13.45 | lcuk | how can you select another theme if you cannot click apply? |
| 19:13.48 | Grackle | I was about to reflash. |
| 19:14.01 | Grackle | Well, I have buttons, but they have no borders. |
| 19:14.02 | KotCzarny | lcuk: click frenzy |
| 19:14.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:14.06 | Grackle | I don't have scrollbars at all |
| 19:14.06 | Navi | The manpage needs to not suck for matchbox-keyboard |
| 19:14.12 | Navi | I'm going to go send them an email |
| 19:14.34 | Grackle | The scroll buttons on the big sidebar menus work, even though they can't be seen |
| 19:15.02 | Grackle | hah, the brightness adjust works even though the graphic is not there |
| 19:15.12 | lcuk | have you lost the grapics folder its expecting to find |
| 19:16.01 | Grackle | Different theme does not fix it. It still has the same problems. |
| 19:16.08 | Grackle | Oh well, I will reflash, there is nothing important on here. |
| 19:16.20 | johnx | one sec |
| 19:16.25 | KotCzarny | that's why having ssh-server is useful |
| 19:16.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:16.30 | johnx | I thought I saw a similar thread on itt |
| 19:16.39 | Grackle | it's still pretty usable |
| 19:16.43 | Grackle | I do have ssh-server |
| 19:17.01 | Grackle | the virtual keyboards are usable, the buttons just don't have lines around them |
| 19:17.33 | Grackle | oh wow, I can access the shared folder on my desktop machine |
| 19:17.36 | Grackle | that hasn't worked before |
| 19:18.02 | Grackle | hah, my nonexistant scrollbars work |
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| 19:18.58 | Saviq | hi all, when I want to use internal sd card on my n800 to boot from, what do I need the vfat partition for? |
| 19:19.07 | johnx | you don't |
| 19:19.22 | Saviq | so I can simply format the whole card to ext2 and that's it? |
| 19:19.35 | johnx | the only reason to keep it is to share files with a windows computer |
| 19:19.43 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 19:19.44 | KotCzarny | not only |
| 19:19.57 | KotCzarny | it's only useful to stop 'corrupted card' nagging |
| 19:19.59 | Grackle | If you plan on booting into the ITOS, it's handy to have that vfat partition. |
| 19:20.03 | johnx | KotCzarny, eh? |
| 19:20.03 | Grackle | and that |
| 19:20.18 | johnx | I've never run into that at all... |
| 19:20.25 | Grackle | I had that problem |
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| 19:20.48 | johnx | ok, well there you have it, 2/3 #maemo'ers recommend a vfat partition :) |
| 19:20.54 | KotCzarny | johnx: it's not corrupted card |
| 19:20.59 | Saviq | Grackle: booting into ITOS meaning the system from flash? |
| 19:21.05 | Grackle | yeah |
| 19:21.08 | KotCzarny | it's just mounter saying that it can't mount |
| 19:21.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:21.21 | johnx | right, but I've never run into that |
| 19:21.30 | KotCzarny | (and it expects vfat on first partition) |
| 19:21.42 | KotCzarny | me too, but i have vfat partition anyway |
| 19:22.37 | Saviq | one more question - when I set my root device to ask:mmc2 the selected entry was the external card, isn't the mmc2 the internal card? |
| 19:22.38 | Grackle | johnx, any luck finding that thread? |
| 19:22.42 | Grackle | didn't find anything |
| 19:22.52 | johnx | not yet...but I *swear* it exists |
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| 19:23.31 | Grackle | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14915&highlight=disappeared I found it, wee |
| 19:23.49 | johnx | ah, disappeared. I was googling missing |
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| 19:29.02 | Grackle | Saviq, I noticed that as well. I've never waited for the timeout to finish to see if it actually boots the right one. |
| 19:29.38 | Saviq | I'll try and get back to you |
| 19:29.44 | Grackle | cool |
| 19:30.09 | Grackle | Well johnx, the fix mentioned in that thread worked. Thanks. |
| 19:30.13 | Grackle | Sure was strange.. |
| 19:30.30 | johnx | yeah, that is one incredibly odd problem |
| 19:31.10 | johnx | yeah, Navi, I'm having no luck with power management |
| 19:31.23 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 19:32.00 | johnx | just the wireless card I mean |
| 19:32.30 | johnx | wlancond must prod it in some special way to turn on power management |
| 19:33.12 | KotCzarny | it's about CAM timeout, probably |
| 19:33.32 | johnx | CAM timeout? |
| 19:33.48 | KotCzarny | that's from dmesg |
| 19:33.58 | johnx | oh, neat |
| 19:34.06 | KotCzarny | cx3110x: PSM dynamic with 100 ms CAM timeout. |
| 19:34.08 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 19:34.15 | johnx | 100ms O_o |
| 19:34.16 | KotCzarny | 200ms is moderate |
| 19:34.19 | KotCzarny | and 4000ms is max |
| 19:34.28 | johnx | heh...that explains a lot |
| 19:34.55 | johnx | I just ran iwconfig wlan0 power on and it set to 51020 ms |
| 19:34.58 | KotCzarny | i'm amazed it's the first time you see it |
| 19:35.00 | johnx | that doesn't seem helpful :/ |
| 19:35.14 | johnx | I just started working on this power management stuff |
| 19:35.16 | KotCzarny | 51s ? |
| 19:35.18 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:35.23 | johnx | heh...yeah |
| 19:35.39 | Grackle | haha o_O |
| 19:35.44 | KotCzarny | i think it's different setting |
| 19:36.12 | johnx | unfortunately...most of the iwconfig power commands don't work |
| 19:36.22 | johnx | the wext implementation is pretty thin |
| 19:36.52 | KotCzarny | better than nothing, though |
| 19:37.01 | Grackle | Any idea why I can't mount ext2 partitions on my (OS2008) tablet? I have e2fsprogs installed. I'm trying mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/scratch, and mount tells me that mounting blah on blah failed |
| 19:37.06 | johnx | KotCzarny, oh definitely |
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| 19:37.44 | KotCzarny | grackle: missing module? |
| 19:37.50 | KotCzarny | grackle: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 19:37.58 | johnx | it should support ext2 with the default kernel |
| 19:38.02 | johnx | what does dmesg say? |
| 19:38.03 | KotCzarny | if ext2 is missing just load the module |
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| 19:38.42 | Grackle | modprobe can't parse modules.dep |
| 19:38.48 | Grackle | That sounds like it might be the problem. |
| 19:39.04 | KotCzarny | you can insmod |
| 19:39.07 | KotCzarny | or symlink |
| 19:39.09 | johnx | OS2008 doesn't use modules.dep/modprobe |
| 19:39.13 | johnx | by default |
| 19:39.14 | KotCzarny | johnx: not true |
| 19:39.17 | Grackle | hm |
| 19:39.21 | KotCzarny | it uses |
| 19:39.27 | KotCzarny | but modules are in different place |
| 19:39.31 | Grackle | In the past I haven't had to insmod anything to get ext2 to work |
| 19:39.32 | KotCzarny | ie. on /mnt/initfs |
| 19:39.37 | KotCzarny | instead in /lib/modules |
| 19:39.40 | johnx | ah, fair enough |
| 19:39.43 | KotCzarny | if you symlink properly it works |
| 19:39.52 | KotCzarny | i have just copied whole dir |
| 19:39.58 | johnx | *you* can't use modprobe on OS2008 unless you symlink things into place or move them |
| 19:40.08 | KotCzarny | johnx: that's better |
| 19:40.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:40.50 | Grackle | Where are the modules? /lib/modules is nonexistant |
| 19:41.10 | KotCzarny | search in /mnt/initfs |
| 19:41.32 | Grackle | oh right |
| 19:42.22 | Grackle | Unknown symbols and other strangeness. |
| 19:42.45 | Grackle | I wonder if this is the installation that I tried flashing kernels on. |
| 19:42.58 | KotCzarny | grackle: ext2/3 have some deps |
| 19:43.06 | KotCzarny | don't remember the name |
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| 19:43.26 | johnx | mbcache |
| 19:43.36 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 19:43.43 | johnx | and jbd for ext3 |
| 19:44.03 | Grackle | oh, yay |
| 19:44.16 | Grackle | mounted |
| 19:44.20 | Grackle | thanks |
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| 19:45.08 | KotCzarny | that would be 5EUR |
| 19:45.11 | KotCzarny | *ding* |
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| 19:46.41 | Grackle | http://www.american.edu/carmel/sk3207a/EuroPNew-05ECU-2002-donatedbig_f.jpg Here y'are! |
| 19:46.56 | Saviq | Grackle: the correct name for internal is immc2 in the default setup |
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| 19:47.28 | Grackle | Oh, okay. So if you set immc2, it autoselects the right one? |
| 19:47.46 | Saviq | yes, but it defaults to partition 2 anyway |
| 19:47.46 | cjohnson | I have an n800, with dual 2GB SD cards. For some reason, the internal gets mounted to mmc2 and the external gets mounted to mmc1 automatically |
| 19:47.58 | Saviq | I'm editing bootmenu.sh to boot from partition 1 |
| 19:48.00 | cjohnson | how can I reverse this? there's nothing in /etc/fstab about either one |
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| 19:48.36 | KotCzarny | cjohnson: fstan is ignored on tablet anyway |
| 19:48.44 | KotCzarny | fstab |
| 19:48.57 | cjohnson | So what can I do? |
| 19:49.00 | Grackle | cjohnson: That's correct, actually. internal is normally mmc2 |
| 19:49.15 | cjohnson | Grackle, I'm trying to follow this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Extending_the_n800%27s_Root_File_System_to_the_MMC |
| 19:49.29 | cjohnson | To extend my internal storage to my internal SD card |
| 19:49.35 | KotCzarny | extending sucks |
| 19:49.39 | KotCzarny | cloning rocks |
| 19:49.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:49.40 | cjohnson | but the guide is expecting it all to get on mmc1, not mmc2 |
| 19:49.56 | cjohnson | I tried swapping references to mmc1 with mmc2 |
| 19:50.00 | Grackle | cjohnson: The general consensus is that booting from the card is a lot better and easier than extending. |
| 19:50.16 | cjohnson | Grackle, where might I find a guide for that then? |
| 19:50.31 | Grackle | It's faster, and it leaves you with a working OS on the internal flash, so you can fix things if your standard one breaks. |
| 19:50.32 | cjohnson | I don't really care how, I just want more storage space for apps |
| 19:50.51 | egsavage | cjohnson: I'd just make a new filesystem on the mem card and get out of the builtin RAM |
| 19:51.00 | Grackle | There is a page on the wiki, if I can just find it.. |
| 19:51.18 | Grackle | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOW_TO:_Simplest_and_Complete_Cloning_of_OS_to_MMC%3B_Dual-Booting cjohnson |
| 19:51.56 | Grackle | cjohnson: And here are simplified instructions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 |
| 19:52.21 | cjohnson | Grackle, awesome, thanks :D |
| 19:52.29 | egsavage | it will be a tad faster too - no compressed filesystem anymore ;-) |
| 19:52.33 | Grackle | you're welcome |
| 19:52.49 | KotCzarny | egsavage: assuming your sd card is fast |
| 19:52.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:53.19 | egsavage | well, you'll still get back some CPU cycles no matter what |
| 19:53.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:53.53 | cjohnson | heh |
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| 19:54.04 | cjohnson | Is there a way to determine the speed of the card? |
| 19:54.08 | cjohnson | it didn't mention it on packaging |
| 19:54.31 | gpd | anyone got anything bad to say about the Nokia E51 before I commit to purchase? |
| 19:54.54 | johnx | 51 is an awfully small number... |
| 19:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | E isn't a very pretty letter, either. |
| 19:55.25 | cjohnson | E51 looks like esi, and I have no idea what that stands for |
| 19:55.28 | cjohnson | I'd be pretty upset |
| 19:55.31 | Grackle | haha johnx |
| 19:55.40 | gpd | ah - but it is e51... or 10^51 ... ;) |
| 19:55.58 | johnx | aaah, much better |
| 19:56.07 | gpd | ok - BUY BUY BUY! |
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| 19:56.22 | cjohnson | brilliant |
| 19:57.03 | gpd | any reason to pay 30 GBP extra to get from Nokia... rather than for example - www.play.com |
| 19:57.24 | KotCzarny | simlock? |
| 19:57.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:58.00 | gpd | ok - this one is unlocked - can't think of any other reasons |
| 19:58.04 | Blafasel | Nice.. E51 without camera would be neat. |
| 19:58.37 | gpd | yeah - not yet released but on their site. wonder how much lighter. |
| 19:59.06 | cjohnson | So in these guides, it creates 2 partitions, ususally 512MB for the first one. What is that partition for? Storage? |
| 19:59.26 | gpd | and I don't need to spend ages researching Blackberries - 'cos they are evil - correct? |
| 19:59.40 | gpd | or at least they will give no benefit to my N800. |
| 20:00.31 | Grackle | cjohnson: the first partition is vfat, it's there because the second partiton will be the system partition, and it still needs something to mount as mmc2 |
| 20:00.50 | cjohnson | Grackle, so could I just make it 1mb? |
| 20:00.54 | Grackle | sure |
| 20:00.59 | cjohnson | alright |
| 20:01.29 | cjohnson | I have a second card for storage |
| 20:01.39 | cjohnson | And I have my iPod for heavy storage |
| 20:02.19 | gpd | [wow - mentioning 'blackberry' elicits zero response... hmm] |
| 20:02.39 | cjohnson | blackberry is the devil |
| 20:02.41 | cjohnson | stay away! |
| 20:02.43 | cjohnson | beware! |
| 20:02.44 | Grackle | oh heh, I didn't notice |
| 20:02.47 | cjohnson | the power of christ compels you! |
| 20:02.47 | gpd | ok - better - thanks :) |
| 20:02.52 | cjohnson | :P |
| 20:02.58 | Grackle | A friend of mine had a blackberry, he seemed to like it. :P |
| 20:03.24 | Grackle | I would rather have an n810 though |
| 20:03.55 | Grackle | An N800 wouldn't work for him, because he needed the keyboard (rather, his wife needed the keyboard, because she is mostly deaf and couldn't use it as a phone) |
| 20:03.56 | cjohnson | I'd rather actually have an n800 |
| 20:03.59 | Blafasel | Yeah, great. None of the network providers here supports the E51 _without_ camera. =( |
| 20:04.09 | cjohnson | The only reason I want the n800 more is the dual SD slots |
| 20:04.22 | cjohnson | other than that, more internal storage and a physical keyboard would be great |
| 20:04.31 | Grackle | Hmm, I didn't realize the N810 didn't have dual SD slots. |
| 20:04.33 | cjohnson | but it's 200 bucks cheaper for n800 |
| 20:04.42 | cjohnson | so that's what i got :D |
| 20:04.48 | Grackle | Yeah, the price difference sure helped me make up my mind. |
| 20:04.50 | gpd | no GPS in N800 :( |
| 20:05.00 | cjohnson | yeah |
| 20:05.04 | cjohnson | that i sure wish i had |
| 20:05.07 | cjohnson | but at the same point |
| 20:05.09 | cjohnson | i can't get maps anyway |
| 20:05.13 | johnx | well the gps in the n810 isn't all that awesome either... |
| 20:05.14 | Grackle | I would like a GPS. Meh. I will probably pick up a bluetooth or USB gps. |
| 20:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | N810 GPS is a joke. |
| 20:05.18 | gpd | and I am getting sick of my BT GPS dropping out in maemomapper ... |
| 20:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | Just buy a BT GPS and be done with it. |
| 20:05.36 | Grackle | Someone in some thread (yay citations) said that the n810 gps problems were all in software. |
| 20:05.39 | cjohnson | you can't get internet without having a connection through a phone or something |
| 20:05.46 | cjohnson | so you can't get the maps to go with the gps |
| 20:05.51 | gpd | the bt GPS was perfect under OS2007 but since 2008 it craps out constantly - unusable in fact. |
| 20:05.54 | cjohnson | you'd need em before hand, or a ton of storage just for them |
| 20:05.54 | GeneralAntilles | Not all, Grackle. |
| 20:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | gpd, sounds like you have a problem |
| 20:06.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's 100% for me. |
| 20:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, what are you talking about? |
| 20:06.22 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: I tried a clean install of 2008 - but still sux. |
| 20:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | You precache maemo mapper's maps. |
| 20:06.25 | glass | cjohnson: it's an online oriented device in my eyes anyways so umts phone or similar is a logical companion.. |
| 20:06.31 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: which BT GPS do you have? |
| 20:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | You at the most recent version of maemo mapper? |
| 20:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 |
| 20:06.47 | cjohnson | glass, right, but I would only use GPS in the car, where I don't have any 'net access |
| 20:07.01 | cjohnson | I have wifi at work, school, and home, and that's where I primarily use it |
| 20:07.01 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: Mine is iBlue 737... ie. not the standard one :( |
| 20:07.06 | Grackle | cjohnson: You can download entire maps. Like, US east cost is 700MB. |
| 20:07.19 | Grackle | east coast* |
| 20:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, you're still not making sense |
| 20:07.32 | GeneralAntilles | You don't need internet for the maps. |
| 20:07.42 | cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, either internet, or save them before hand |
| 20:07.48 | Grackle | haha >.< |
| 20:07.55 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: did you change any settings or is it default install? |
| 20:08.02 | cjohnson | 700MB is pretty hefty for a mobile device like that |
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| 20:08.14 | johnx | 2GB SD cards are $15 |
| 20:08.25 | cjohnson | cheaper usually |
| 20:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | gpd, tons and tons of settings are changed. |
| 20:08.38 | cjohnson | regardless, that's a little over 1/3 of that whole card |
| 20:08.39 | cjohnson | just for GPS |
| 20:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, you don't need 700MB, make it 150MB. |
| 20:08.42 | KotCzarny | 8gb is nice |
| 20:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | Or buy a $30 8GB |
| 20:09.33 | johnx | there's not much that can be done about maps taking up space. If you buy a dedicated GPS it comes with enough storage for the maps built into it... |
| 20:09.40 | johnx | either way you're paying for storage |
| 20:10.00 | johnx | if you buy a phone w/ GPS you end up doing slow, expensive maps transfer OTA |
| 20:10.33 | cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, how do you propose I shrink 700MB maps down to 150MB? |
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| 20:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | By downloading fewer levels |
| 20:10.49 | GeneralAntilles | or not downloading certain areas |
| 20:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | This is maemo mapper |
| 20:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | "Map" just plain sucks period. |
| 20:11.06 | cjohnson | I haven't used any of them, I don't even have GPS |
| 20:11.06 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: crap - so I probably have a hardware issue. Guess I should install OS2007 again to check - but too painful. |
| 20:11.32 | KotCzarny | you can use maemo-mapper without gps |
| 20:11.37 | KotCzarny | just like google earth |
| 20:11.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:11.42 | KotCzarny | or google maps |
| 20:12.06 | cjohnson | yeah but that sort of defeats the purpose, i could just as easily get a mapquest |
| 20:12.09 | gpd | is there anything like maemomapper for desktop linux? ie. caches maps? |
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| 20:13.04 | KotCzarny | cjohnson: why? having n800 in my pocket instead of chunks of paper rulez |
| 20:13.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:13.07 | unixSnob | cjohnson: maemo mapper is better than mapquest. You have many maps to choose from |
| 20:13.12 | RST38h | *yawn* |
| 20:13.17 | RST38h | chunks of paper can't play music |
| 20:14.04 | KotCzarny | depends on definition of music |
| 20:14.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:14.29 | cjohnson | I dunno, maybe I'm not geeky enough, I just don't see a need to go out and get extra stuff for it when it really doesn't accomplish more than how I already do it: using mapquest |
| 20:14.33 | Grackle | the musical kind |
| 20:14.47 | cjohnson | I guess I may have to try and focus it down and try that |
| 20:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | It accomplishes it a helluva lot faster. |
| 20:14.53 | cjohnson | store only certain parts of maps |
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| 20:15.32 | cjohnson | Ctrl + Space -> m MY ADDRESS to: FINAL ADDRESS -> Ctrl + P |
| 20:15.41 | cjohnson | Faster than using a stylus I'd say |
| 20:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 20:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | Paper maps are the worst. |
| 20:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper gives you a nice green line to follow. |
| 20:15.59 | KotCzarny | well, assuming maoquest remains free |
| 20:16.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:16.01 | Grackle | They're great when you're hiking. |
| 20:16.08 | cjohnson | Again, I point to my above statement |
| 20:16.12 | livinroom | soooo |
| 20:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, load up a topo map in maemo mapper. |
| 20:16.14 | Grackle | A nice detailed map and a compass. Very light, very dependable. |
| 20:16.16 | KotCzarny | it's owned by aol |
| 20:16.17 | RST38h | me can't get maemo mapper to show him green line |
| 20:16.20 | KotCzarny | so anything can happen |
| 20:16.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:16.27 | RST38h | how od you do it anyway? |
| 20:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just load a gpx as a track |
| 20:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | or get it to download a route |
| 20:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | s/track/route/ |
| 20:16.43 | RST38h | but where do I get gpx? |
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| 20:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | Either have Maemo Mapper download it for you |
| 20:17.02 | RST38h | approaches this as a normal stupid user |
| 20:17.06 | RST38h | where from |
| 20:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | or save a track and load that. |
| 20:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | From within the application |
| 20:17.13 | GeneralAntilles | read the help |
| 20:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | it's very complete. |
| 20:17.19 | RST38h | no, download where |
| 20:17.30 | Jaffa | wonders whether or not to give any serious thought to this diablo repo password question (since he missed out on all the fun last week). |
| 20:17.31 | livinroom | guys, i have the nokia LD-1W Bluetooth gps. is it linkable to the n800? |
| 20:17.39 | RST38h | If I have postal addresses to sourcedest points, how do I get the track? |
| 20:17.52 | RST38h | Jaffa: I would not |
| 20:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | Enter your origin (GPS position, maybe) and destination. |
| 20:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | It'll download the track |
| 20:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | and even do simple voice nav. |
| 20:18.16 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, probably not worth it. |
| 20:18.23 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting, but still a little broken. |
| 20:18.23 | RST38h | Will try tonight |
| 20:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | Particularly in MicroB. :\ |
| 20:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, seriously, read the documentation (it's available online) it's very thorough and very readable. |
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| 20:19.14 | RST38h | GA: Actually, I browsed through it but the mapper hung on me when I tried following instructions =( |
| 20:19.45 | Jaffa | RST38h/GeneralAntilles: that's what I was thinking |
| 20:19.49 | RST38h | <reboot> |
| 20:19.55 | Grackle | I should start dinner soon. Spaghetti and garlic bread, yum. I am starving. |
| 20:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | My two posts cover it pretty thoroughly for 1.4, too, here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4958 |
| 20:20.28 | Grackle | oggles /ck/ |
| 20:21.03 | fysa | Dash.net emulation is what's needed. ;) |
| 20:21.50 | fysa | http://www.dash.net/ |
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| 20:22.27 | Grackle | oo that looks delicious |
| 20:22.48 | unixSnob | likes the dash/zillow integration |
| 20:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 |
| 20:23.34 | fysa | has KML/Yahoo Local-type searches. I have a nice Google Map of all the local restaurants I've been meaning to try.. would be perfect to have that around. ;) |
| 20:24.06 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: heh, cool |
| 20:24.22 | RST38h | <back> |
| 20:24.55 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: voted |
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| 20:26.38 | Jaffa | doesn't hold out much hope for any form of real enhancement request in Bugzilla (especially UI-related ones - most of "Nokia's IP" will be in the UI, of course, *cough*) given the continued status of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 |
| 20:27.08 | GeneralAntilles | That bug makes me both cringe and laugh everytime I see it. . . . |
| 20:28.20 | johnx | see, these are some of the reasons I started on this debian project... |
| 20:28.28 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: we definitly have the same GPS -- did you really not modify anything significant? Do you use maemomapper 2.4.1? With GPS set to Bluetooth address not GPSD? |
| 20:28.32 | Grackle | gah, Jaffa. That's awful. That should have ended at post 1 |
| 20:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, gpd |
| 20:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | I did have connection issues with 2.1 |
| 20:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | but it's been rock solid since then. |
| 20:29.14 | gpd | GeneralAntilles: and did you delete your config after 2.1 to 2.4? |
| 20:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | I've been all over the place since then. |
| 20:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming it's gone. |
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| 20:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | (Well, on my Diablo install it DEFINITELY is ) |
| 20:30.02 | hrw|gone | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/questionsfornokia |
| 20:30.27 | livinroom | guys, i have the nokia LD-1W Bluetooth gps. is it linkable to the n800? |
| 20:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, livinroom. |
| 20:31.42 | gpd | hmm. just noticed NLS maps... curious |
| 20:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | Any particularly plan to these, hrw|gone, or should I just add a new heading for myself and stick the questions I didn't get answers to from yesterday in there? |
| 20:32.17 | cjohnson | How can I low level format my SD card from my n800? I don't have a computer with a card reader |
| 20:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | Plug the N800 into your computer. |
| 20:32.45 | unixSnob | cjohnson: I think you mean high level format it |
| 20:33.17 | cjohnson | perhaps |
| 20:33.25 | cjohnson | I want to wipe it completely |
| 20:33.26 | unixSnob | I don't think folks have low leveled storage devices since the days of MFM drives |
| 20:34.36 | unixSnob | cjohnson: the dd command will do that |
| 20:34.50 | unixSnob | but I don't know if "dd" is included in maemo |
| 20:34.56 | cjohnson | i think it is |
| 20:35.06 | johnx | cjohnson, you just want to reformat it, right? |
| 20:35.20 | unixSnob | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 |
| 20:35.22 | cjohnson | johnx, yes |
| 20:35.30 | hrw|gone | GeneralAntilles: I did not created that page - I just edited |
| 20:35.33 | johnx | right, that's a "high level" format really |
| 20:35.41 | unixSnob | replace sda1 with whatever your sdcard is |
| 20:36.03 | johnx | so just plug it into a computer a format it |
| 20:36.36 | lcuk | you can right click and format a card from the file manager on 810 |
| 20:37.02 | cjohnson | johnx: I plugged it in, and it shows me 2 different new drives. One says it needs to be formatted, and the other one seems to be waiting for me to insert a disk or something |
| 20:37.24 | unixSnob | formatting won't "wipe" it |
| 20:37.38 | cjohnson | I want to start fresh on it |
| 20:37.42 | unixSnob | if cjohnson really needs to wipe it, he needs dd or the like |
| 20:37.55 | KotCzarny | dd </dev/zero >/dev/mmcblock0 |
| 20:37.57 | KotCzarny | (or 1) |
| 20:37.58 | unixSnob | cjohnson: removing evidence of an affair or something? |
| 20:38.00 | cjohnson | I was trying to extend my maemo onto it, but that went wrong, so now i want to clone and dualboot |
| 20:38.04 | KotCzarny | sure wipe |
| 20:38.06 | gpd | is there any way to debug bluetooth connections to N800? |
| 20:38.28 | cjohnson | it's going |
| 20:38.31 | cjohnson | dd ftw :D |
| 20:38.32 | livinroom | weee |
| 20:38.36 | unixSnob | If you're not scrubbing incriminating data, then formatting is good enough |
| 20:38.41 | livinroom | paired my BT-GPS. where do i get maps now, for the maemo mapper? |
| 20:38.50 | cjohnson | i wouldn't put incriminating data on my n800 anyway |
| 20:38.52 | KotCzarny | mind you it's wiping partition table too |
| 20:38.55 | lcuk | <cjohnson> dd ftw :D *CRRRREEEEEE* [NOCARRIER] |
| 20:39.00 | unixSnob | I believe the command to format it for use again is mkfs |
| 20:39.17 | cjohnson | lcuk, worst case scenario i wipe out my n800, i'm on windows right now |
| 20:39.31 | Navi | johnx, :( |
| 20:39.38 | johnx | Navi, eh? |
| 20:39.51 | Navi | Your power management comment |
| 20:40.03 | johnx | ah, about wifi? |
| 20:40.07 | Blafasel | This 303 bug is hilarious ;) |
| 20:40.08 | Navi | yeah |
| 20:40.10 | Navi | from an hour back |
| 20:40.12 | johnx | yeah, that is unfortunate |
| 20:40.17 | KotCzarny | cjohnson: you have umounted it first, right? |
| 20:40.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:40.20 | Navi | I couldn't get it to work using iwconfig either |
| 20:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, hilariously depressing. |
| 20:40.25 | hrw | livinroom: maemo mapper can fetch them |
| 20:40.27 | cjohnson | KotCzarny, yeah |
| 20:40.27 | KotCzarny | also disabled virtual memory |
| 20:40.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:40.30 | lcuk | should be asleep now |
| 20:40.31 | johnx | iwconfig power on does something at least |
| 20:40.36 | cjohnson | aye |
| 20:40.36 | KotCzarny | lcuk: night night |
| 20:40.52 | lcuk | i cant though, i hate to wake back up just 4 hours into kip |
| 20:40.53 | RST38h | All right, anyone wants to try iNES for Maemo? |
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| 20:41.11 | Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Nahh.. Whistle a tone and murmur "Always look on the bright side.." ;) |
| 20:41.14 | KotCzarny | lcuk: even 1-2h of sleep is better than none |
| 20:41.16 | KotCzarny | trust me |
| 20:41.17 | johnx | cx3110x doesn't set up any place in sys to control power though...wlancond must turn it on *somehow* |
| 20:41.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:41.27 | lcuk | never trusts the internet |
| 20:41.29 | Navi | eh |
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| 20:41.41 | Blafasel | KotCzarny is the internet? |
| 20:41.50 | lcuk | not all of it |
| 20:42.02 | Navi | anyways, I'm going to set up the numpad on matchbox-keyboard now |
| 20:42.06 | lcuk | but depending on how many pies he has eaten i could say a large proportion of it :D |
| 20:42.13 | RST38h | has beaten the internet. The end boss is tough. |
| 20:42.24 | johnx | Navi, awesome |
| 20:42.37 | livinroom | the end boss isnt tough |
| 20:42.39 | KotCzarny | internet molestor! |
| 20:42.41 | livinroom | you just use cheat codes |
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| 20:42.55 | livinroom | cheat codes which can be found... on the internet! |
| 20:43.30 | Cptnodegard | the end boss is Ronald McGoogle |
| 20:43.45 | lcuk | i once had a program that wiped out sections of a webpage (firefox addin) - my missus spent a few minutes deleting the whole of slashdot front page. her face dropped when i said shes just deleted it from everyones computer |
| 20:44.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:44.20 | cjohnson | Alt + F4 for infinite money hack |
| 20:44.36 | Cptnodegard | has quit irc |
| 20:44.42 | KotCzarny | cjohnson: you are right on this one |
| 20:44.47 | KotCzarny | because time is money |
| 20:44.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:44.58 | RST38h | lcuk: why did you bring it back? |
| 20:45.04 | lcuk | lol |
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| 20:46.26 | RST38h | All right, try http://fms.komkon.org/iNES/ines_3.6.0-1_armel.deb |
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| 20:50.49 | Navi | Well, that was easier than I thought it was going to be |
| 20:52.21 | Blafasel | Okay, the internet is now officially boring. All 6 comic strips are read, thedailywtf is outdated and not even my rss reader or mail client has something new. I think I'll quit this career and restart as a veterinary somewhere.. |
| 20:52.53 | KotCzarny | blafasel: eatliver.com |
| 20:53.01 | KotCzarny | and imagechan.net |
| 20:53.14 | johnx | Blafasel, yeah, I've hit that "I've read the whole internet, what now?" thing before. |
| 20:53.28 | johnx | my suggestion: Put debian on your N8x0 :) |
| 20:53.40 | RST38h | will go for the liver |
| 20:53.45 | Blafasel | johnx: Bah! I knew that would be coming ;) |
| 20:53.54 | Navi | johnx, lol :P |
| 20:53.54 | johnx | :D |
| 20:53.55 | Blafasel | johnx: I don't own a SD card yet, though |
| 20:54.04 | Navi | ZOMG |
| 20:54.09 | Navi | Someone that doesn't own an SD card? |
| 20:54.20 | Navi | I don't believe it |
| 20:54.21 | johnx | go buy one! right now! what are you waiting for? |
| 20:54.29 | Blafasel | Uhm. I own several, but they are not in the right form factor or used otherwise ;) |
| 20:54.31 | Navi | johnx, you're a horrible commercial. |
| 20:54.37 | Blafasel | Like in the car radio, camera etc. |
| 20:54.51 | johnx | aaah, take the one out of the camera |
| 20:54.56 | johnx | you know you want to |
| 20:55.01 | Navi | Can anyone paste teh UTF-8 left arrow in here? |
| 20:55.02 | johnx | those pictures aren't that important |
| 20:55.22 | Blafasel | johnx: But, but.. My gf is cute ;) |
| 20:55.26 | livinroom | blasfel: be sure to read penny-arcade.com and explosm.net |
| 20:55.29 | Navi | Blafasel, even better |
| 20:55.38 | Navi | use the N800 as a picture viewer |
| 20:55.40 | livinroom | s/blasfel/blafasel |
| 20:55.45 | Blafasel | livinroom: Read all of the first once, don't know the latter though |
| 20:55.53 | Navi | It's not like you're using the camera all the time |
| 20:55.59 | Blafasel | Navi: Na, johnx wants me to format it and drop debian on it ;) |
| 20:56.03 | Navi | You'll certainly be using the N8X0 all the time |
| 20:56.08 | Navi | or else... |
| 20:56.15 | Navi | Blafasel, back up the pictures :P |
| 20:57.09 | Blafasel | goes to read explosm.net |
| 20:57.32 | Blafasel | Btw: Eatliver is very interesting |
| 20:57.44 | Saviq | Grackle: boots fine from one big ext2 partition, but I found another use of the vfat partition... |
| 20:57.47 | Saviq | virtual memort |
| 20:57.49 | Saviq | -t+y |
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| 20:59.38 | hrw | bye |
| 21:00.10 | Navi | can't figure out how to get the modifier key to stick |
| 21:00.43 | johnx | hmm |
| 21:01.01 | Navi | I went through the readme and there wasn't any info |
| 21:01.22 | Navi | I can type in numbers from the numpad, but I have to hit the modifier each time |
| 21:02.03 | lardman | seems to be related to the app |
| 21:02.31 | lardman | sometimes I can click fn twice and it sticks, other times I can press it then a number, then again sometimes I have to hold it down |
| 21:03.08 | Navi | Are you talking about matchbox-keyboard? |
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| 21:03.19 | johnx | lardman, ah, this is something a little different :) |
| 21:03.40 | zap | Hello! Anybody remembers where I can enable keyboard backlighting? For some reason I can't get backlight on anymore... |
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| 21:04.53 | lardman | johnx: Sorry, my fault for coming in half way through |
| 21:05.09 | Navi | Lol |
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| 21:05.51 | johnx | ah, no worries lardman :) |
| 21:06.58 | RST38h | FamilyBASIC keyboard does not work. |
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| 21:14.11 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I untarred debian as root but my mpd doesn't work. It had permission problems so I fixed them but sound playing doesn't work as it is missing a /dev/dsp* file somewhere. Any hints? (btw, i'm in maemo atm) |
| 21:14.49 | johnx | hmm...when the card is mounted on your computer is it mounted with nodev,nosuid? |
| 21:14.59 | johnx | did tar report any errors? |
| 21:15.31 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, no idea about mount options, just plugged it in. no errors. |
| 21:16.21 | Grackle | johnx, re: debian, what about base-config.. debootstrap didn't install a base-config. |
| 21:16.59 | gpd | hmm... installed syslog and when the BT GPS is lost I get this message: |
| 21:17.00 | gpd | Nokia-N800-50-2 btcond[1102]: Supervision timeout to 00:0B:0D:85:58:4F. Device out of rage? |
| 21:17.00 | johnx | ah, the other half is that you need to chroot on your tablet itself and do some hacking |
| 21:17.08 | gpd | I am almost out of RAGE! |
| 21:17.43 | Grackle | haha rage |
| 21:17.49 | qwerty12_N800 | brb, rebooting |
| 21:17.56 | johnx | Grackle, I largely followed the "Creating an EABI chroot..." here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
| 21:18.34 | johnx | so basically plug the card into the tablet and : chroot /media/mmc1 /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage |
| 21:18.43 | Navi | heh |
| 21:18.51 | Grackle | yeah johnx, I've done that |
| 21:19.06 | Navi | johnx, doneish |
| 21:19.22 | Navi | There are probably symbols and letters that you want on it |
| 21:20.18 | johnx | Grackle, I think I just ran aptitude after that and let it fix whatever it saw fit |
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| 21:20.31 | johnx | Navi, that sounds great! would you send it to me? |
| 21:20.38 | Navi | sec |
| 21:20.45 | Navi | scrot doesn't want to work :/ |
| 21:21.05 | Grackle | johnx: the problem right now is that it has not configured apt yet |
| 21:21.41 | johnx | Navi, xwd -root -out file.xwd |
| 21:21.48 | johnx | then convert it on another machine |
| 21:21.52 | Navi | meh |
| 21:21.53 | johnx | Grackle, that's odd |
| 21:22.00 | Grackle | yeah. |
| 21:22.02 | Navi | I got scrot to work :P |
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| 21:22.45 | Navi | http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/ |
| 21:23.49 | Grackle | heads back downstairs |
| 21:24.06 | johnx | Navi, that is pretty fantastically awesome |
| 21:24.14 | Navi | Lol >_> |
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| 21:24.42 | Navi | as you can see, there is still plenty of space for more symbols |
| 21:24.59 | lardman | woo hoo, I have a blue galaxy displayed |
| 21:25.13 | lardman | should be red, but nearly there |
| 21:25.20 | Navi | it's pretty easy to do it too |
| 21:25.43 | Navi | I made tab double as esc with the mod |
| 21:26.16 | Navi | don't know if that was good/bad |
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| 21:27.26 | johnx | ahaha...I forgot that I left my hostname set on Debian |
| 21:27.33 | johnx | I just noticed that in your screenshot |
| 21:27.54 | Grackle | haha yeah |
| 21:28.18 | johnx | also, to any Debian users: set your mac address |
| 21:28.39 | johnx | otherwise it will not be fun when you find another debian/n800 user at the same AP as you :) |
| 21:28.47 | Grackle | >.> |
| 21:28.57 | Grackle | It does not use the device's mac address? |
| 21:29.01 | johnx | nope |
| 21:29.08 | Grackle | it *has* to be set? weird. |
| 21:29.17 | johnx | wlancond pulls it out of the "hidden" mtd partition and sets it by hand |
| 21:29.36 | Grackle | "hidden" mtd partition? |
| 21:29.50 | johnx | yeah...0xffff can read it |
| 21:29.58 | Navi | I don't expect to see any other N800s |
| 21:30.01 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.10 | Grackle | oh hm |
| 21:30.13 | johnx | ah, neat |
| 21:30.51 | KotCzarny | johnx: then use 0xFFFF ? |
| 21:30.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:31.18 | johnx | right...or just set your own MAC address |
| 21:31.43 | KotCzarny | like i remember it :) |
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| 21:31.47 | Navi | Or spoof it and pretend to be your next door neighbor's registered mac so you can download from torrents without getting caught |
| 21:31.58 | Navi | by the campus police |
| 21:32.12 | johnx | or leave it and hope that someone reads their logs every once in a while to see the joke :) |
| 21:32.22 | Navi | Lol |
| 21:32.53 | johnx | 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee |
| 21:32.56 | Saviq | capital first letter, a sign that's someone's writing from his/her internet tablet ;) |
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| 21:34.00 | johnx | Navi, I might pair your keyboard layout down to fewer buttons that have just the letters and basic punctuation |
| 21:34.18 | Navi | hm? |
| 21:34.34 | Navi | Oh, right |
| 21:34.43 | Navi | make it more like the hildon keyboard? |
| 21:34.49 | johnx | right, so the keys get bigger :) |
| 21:34.59 | Navi | that's fine with me |
| 21:35.02 | Navi | I like it this way |
| 21:35.05 | johnx | I should also figure out how to fix my screen calibration O_o |
| 21:35.14 | lardman | cool, yv12->rgb565 (Y->blue) is working |
| 21:35.36 | johnx | lardman, cool |
| 21:35.39 | lcuk | the quick? |
| 21:35.40 | Navi | My slender fingers can already thumb this keyboard |
| 21:35.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.54 | lcuk | omg when i wanted to misspell i cock that up |
| 21:36.06 | Navi | lol |
| 21:36.51 | lcuk | lard, this will help xv immensely :) |
| 21:37.18 | Navi | bleh |
| 21:37.22 | Navi | hate it when I run out of ram |
| 21:37.32 | lardman | lcuk: don't get too excited, still need to get yv12->yuv420 working |
| 21:37.35 | johnx | Navi, how much swap? |
| 21:38.03 | Navi | 128 |
| 21:38.10 | johnx | O_o |
| 21:38.21 | Navi | I used the same swap file I do with maemo out of sheer laziness |
| 21:38.21 | johnx | memory leak in the browser? |
| 21:38.23 | lcuk | technically simpler or a sideways shift? one is bit manipulations the other is bytes |
| 21:38.33 | Navi | Maybe |
| 21:38.40 | Navi | I closed it and I got a lot of ram back |
| 21:39.48 | lardman | lcuk: yuv420 is a packed format, and the endianness is wierd |
| 21:40.03 | lardman | lcuk: so some experimentation |
| 21:40.21 | lcuk | ive seen 420 |
| 21:40.34 | lcuk | shudders |
| 21:41.07 | zap | damnit, the "powerlaunch" application disables keyboard backlighting |
| 21:41.21 | lcuk | does it? |
| 21:41.24 | lcuk | :D w00t |
| 21:41.48 | lardman | has a green Jupiter now |
| 21:42.38 | zap | lardman: are you trying to speed up video playing? |
| 21:42.57 | Navi | ouch |
| 21:43.01 | Navi | openbox starts up dog slow |
| 21:43.10 | johnx | try blackbox |
| 21:43.14 | lardman | zap: That is the end goal |
| 21:43.22 | johnx | the *original* box :) |
| 21:43.26 | Navi | :P |
| 21:43.34 | Navi | blackbox is old and unmaintained |
| 21:43.38 | zap | cool. Are you going to write DSP decoders for mpeg4/whatever? |
| 21:43.39 | Navi | flux is the new black |
| 21:43.43 | johnx | and fast |
| 21:43.47 | johnx | and small |
| 21:43.55 | johnx | I like window maker anyways |
| 21:44.01 | Navi | oh, it wasn't starting up slow |
| 21:44.06 | zap | lardman: if I'm not wrong, mplayer already uses the hw YUV scaler/converter |
| 21:44.09 | lardman | zap: probably not; the idea is to write a converter for yv12->yuv420 |
| 21:44.13 | johnx | but the amount of "double-click" to launch in wm is unfortunate |
| 21:44.24 | Navi | I hate openbox, it deceives me with it's blackness |
| 21:44.27 | lardman | zap: the idea was to take that conversion/scaling overhead off of mplayer |
| 21:44.37 | lcuk | scaling? |
| 21:44.39 | Navi | weird |
| 21:44.43 | Navi | I can't see the cursor |
| 21:44.45 | zap | lardman: [omapfb] ARM JIT scaler (quality=2): 704x528 YV12 => 640x480 YUV420 |
| 21:44.46 | lcuk | 770 only? |
| 21:44.50 | Navi | ZOMG ITS MAEMO AGAIN |
| 21:44.55 | zap | isn't this about what you are doing? |
| 21:45.08 | lardman | lcuk: The original idea was for it to be for the 770 |
| 21:45.14 | lardman | zap: yes |
| 21:45.30 | lardman | zap: but this is on the DSP |
| 21:45.32 | lcuk | true, but will have use here as well |
| 21:45.44 | johnx | Navi, eh? |
| 21:45.46 | lcuk | the conversion especially |
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| 21:46.02 | Navi | johnx, I have no idea what happened :P |
| 21:46.18 | johnx | aaah...I have a thought |
| 21:46.19 | zap | lardman: you're doing it for 770? |
| 21:46.26 | johnx | xomap might set the cursor transparent by default |
| 21:46.31 | pupnik | it would be a huge coup if you could speed up mplayer |
| 21:46.32 | Navi | >_> |
| 21:46.35 | johnx | xfce probably asserted its "cursor theme" |
| 21:46.43 | Navi | eh |
| 21:46.47 | Navi | Oh yeah |
| 21:46.48 | johnx | type xsetroot and see if you get a nice chunky x |
| 21:46.52 | Navi | nah |
| 21:46.55 | Navi | I can't open a term |
| 21:46.59 | johnx | :/ |
| 21:47.03 | lardman | zap: atm am testing on n800, but will be for 770 in the end |
| 21:47.05 | Navi | It keeps disappearing |
| 21:47.20 | zap | lardman: sorry if I'm asking too much, but I'm interested in DSP stuff too :) |
| 21:47.21 | lardman | pupnik: it was ssvb's suggestion |
| 21:47.39 | lardman | zap: np, ask away. I'm always happy when people are interested :) |
| 21:48.01 | lcuk | lardman, i see very practical benefits from this code :) you will see my xv rendering next week |
| 21:48.13 | zap | lardman: so you're going to do YV12 -> YUV420 conversion in DSP rather than in videocard? What for? |
| 21:48.26 | lcuk | zap, not video card |
| 21:48.28 | lardman | lcuk: cool |
| 21:48.35 | pupnik | what video card ? ;) |
| 21:48.43 | zap | omap |
| 21:48.51 | zap | the built-in SOC |
| 21:48.56 | lardman | zap: The plan is that mplayer decodes to a shared memory region, then the DSP can handle the scaling and conversion and output |
| 21:48.58 | lcuk | the LCD supports yuv420, but a more common format yv12 is easier to handle (its contigious planes) |
| 21:49.15 | lardman | lcuk: lcd controller memory bandwidth problem... |
| 21:49.20 | lcuk | so a converter will take a job away from the CPU and give back some cycles |
| 21:49.29 | zap | aha |
| 21:49.39 | lardman | lcuk: yes |
| 21:49.40 | lcuk | the conversion is already done within xv |
| 21:49.55 | zap | well even now the xv scaling is awesome (compared to other 400MHz PDAs I have seen) |
| 21:49.56 | lardman | lcuk: are you working on XvMC? That might be interesting to get the DSP involved with |
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| 21:50.06 | lcuk | replace that CPU conversion with lardmans code and bammo :) instant speedup hopefully |
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| 21:50.13 | Navi | johnx, also, I can't find how to set up plaintext for my wifi on teh debz :P |
| 21:50.23 | lcuk | xv does NO scaling |
| 21:50.29 | zap | really? |
| 21:50.29 | Navi | I've been using iwconfig wlan0 essid foo |
| 21:50.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: if there could be a way to include it in xserver..mmmm |
| 21:50.41 | lardman | lcuk: depends on whether the DSP can handle the framebuffer update fast enough; I'm not sure really, I saw some errors when trying to run fast |
| 21:50.42 | lcuk | the LCD takes a bitmap of arbitary size and scales to arbitary boundary - it is essentially a tv circuit |
| 21:50.45 | johnx | Navi, it shouldn't be hard |
| 21:50.50 | KotCzarny | then it could report format as supported |
| 21:50.53 | Navi | orly |
| 21:50.55 | zap | lcuk: so it does scaling |
| 21:50.59 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:51.09 | zap | via xv? |
| 21:51.11 | lardman | the lcd controller does the scaling though |
| 21:51.15 | Navi | johnx, I couldn't find anything about it. I know how to use wpa-psk with it :P |
| 21:51.34 | Navi | that's all that turned up |
| 21:51.40 | johnx | Navi, /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 21:51.44 | lcuk | zap, if i ask xv for a 400*240 bitmap, that is sent as original data over the pipe unscaled, but will display at fullscreen |
| 21:51.48 | Navi | I skimmed that |
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| 21:52.08 | zap | lcuk: true, so that's basically an upscale, no matter how it is done |
| 21:52.13 | Navi | johnx, is it startxfce or startxfce4? |
| 21:52.20 | Navi | johnx, or none of the above? |
| 21:52.22 | johnx | xfce4-session I believe |
| 21:52.25 | Navi | bleh |
| 21:52.28 | johnx | cat ~/.xsession |
| 21:52.33 | Navi | nah |
| 21:52.35 | Navi | I modified it |
| 21:52.35 | lcuk | lardman, the scaler just needs to work at == to the CPU for that one job (the conversion) the cpu could then snooze and we wouldnt care |
| 21:52.38 | johnx | startxfce4 tries to start an x server too |
| 21:52.47 | NullM0dem | yeah its confusing |
| 21:52.53 | lcuk | convertor^ |
| 21:52.59 | Navi | I'm used to the slack way of doing things |
| 21:53.12 | NullM0dem | xcfce4-session |
| 21:53.17 | NullM0dem | me too |
| 21:53.25 | NullM0dem | xfce4-session |
| 21:53.36 | zap | In fact, I benchmarked mplayer today on a large video (720x576) and it looks like the decoder is the narrow place, not YUV conversion/scaling |
| 21:53.46 | johnx | Navi, well as far as window managers go this is the hacked-up way of doing things |
| 21:53.46 | lardman | unfortunately, although I can output frames at ~1fps, if I change the delay to 10fps, the DSP crashes |
| 21:53.53 | zap | something like 90% for MPEG4 decoder |
| 21:53.56 | Navi | johnx, I know :P |
| 21:53.57 | lcuk | lardman, no not xvmc, just the xv extensions of x, its the same thing mplayer uses |
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| 21:54.14 | lardman | lcuk: ok, I just thought xvmc looked interesting |
| 21:54.20 | Navi | le sigh |
| 21:54.25 | Navi | Have to go through fsck again |
| 21:54.27 | lcuk | i just googled it and it does |
| 21:54.29 | n800n | can i record video with the n800 camera? |
| 21:54.45 | johnx | n800n, yes, look up "videocamera" |
| 21:54.47 | zap | yep, but a few fps |
| 21:55.09 | n800n | look up on maemo.com? or garage? |
| 21:55.15 | KotCzarny | 16fps at 352@288 |
| 21:55.20 | lcuk | lardman, glad i made you chuckle last night - it was pretty good timing of me |
| 21:55.20 | zap | try google :) |
| 21:55.24 | n800n | well still something |
| 21:55.42 | n800n | classic UFO video fps |
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| 21:55.45 | NullM0dem | not bad, thats like those old charley chaplin flicks |
| 21:55.45 | n800n | :P |
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| 21:55.54 | lardman | lcuk: I was chuckling at X-Fade_'s comment about not moderating, this time... |
| 21:56.18 | Navi | crraaapppp |
| 21:56.19 | lcuk | damn, cos i almost fell off chair when it started |
| 21:56.25 | johnx | n800n, use google: maemo videocamera |
| 21:56.35 | johnx | Navi, everything crashes in X? |
| 21:56.47 | n800n | got it ty |
| 21:56.55 | Navi | johnx, not sure |
| 21:57.06 | johnx | I had that problem too |
| 21:57.09 | Navi | It's still at the black screen |
| 21:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | No S60 guys next time around. :\ |
| 21:57.11 | Navi | there it goes |
| 21:57.12 | johnx | I restarted the x server and all was well |
| 21:57.17 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, lol |
| 21:57.19 | johnx | ah, nm then :) |
| 21:57.34 | Navi | bleh, swapon time |
| 21:57.56 | lardman | wonders what's going on with the DSP endianness |
| 21:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's armer |
| 21:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | endian random |
| 21:58.26 | lardman | yeah |
| 21:58.43 | lardman | which was is RGB arranged? Is R at the big or little end? |
| 21:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | or armwtfiflb |
| 21:59.03 | GeneralAntilles | Whatever the Fuck I Feel Like Bitch |
| 21:59.07 | Grackle | The kernel is flashed to the tablet, correct? Kernel can't be stored on a disk? |
| 21:59.29 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I fear you may be right |
| 21:59.44 | johnx | Grackle, kernel lives in a mtd partition |
| 22:00.12 | Grackle | johnx: Ah. So your debian tarball just uses the installed kernel? |
| 22:00.16 | johnx | yup |
| 22:00.22 | Navi | eeewww |
| 22:00.24 | Grackle | How did you get the console working? |
| 22:00.57 | johnx | Grackle, fanoush provided a program+modules to switch the console framebuffer on |
| 22:01.05 | johnx | look in /etc/init.d/tablet-utils |
| 22:01.23 | Grackle | Oh, I recall you talking about tablet-utils |
| 22:01.34 | Grackle | Is there a web page associated with that? |
| 22:01.44 | johnx | not really |
| 22:01.45 | lcuk | lardman, trial and error, theres only a few combinations :P |
| 22:02.03 | lardman | lcuk: yep, am starting that now :) |
| 22:02.03 | johnx | but there is some documentation under /usr/share/doc/tablet-utils |
| 22:02.09 | Grackle | oh, good |
| 22:02.14 | Grackle | I'll take a look. |
| 22:02.29 | johnx | though the version I "ship" is modified |
| 22:02.47 | johnx | I'm trying to keep most of the tablet-centric hackiness to that script |
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| 22:05.17 | lardman | oo, strange, I've managed to keep the entire desktop scaled after killing my dsp code |
| 22:05.57 | livinroom | YAYYY |
| 22:06.01 | livinroom | i got stable iphone tethering working |
| 22:06.05 | lcuk | sounds familiar, since you are talking directly to the framebuffer, its possible to leave it in wrong state |
| 22:06.34 | livinroom | it required alot of equipment but it's doable |
| 22:06.37 | livinroom | go me |
| 22:06.39 | livinroom | i'm so awesome |
| 22:06.40 | livinroom | go me |
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| 22:06.46 | n800n | pretty crappy video :/ |
| 22:06.47 | lcuk | ive got a small function which leaves the framebuffer in a magnifieresq view |
| 22:06.54 | lcuk | its quite cool |
| 22:06.54 | Blafasel | Uhm. iphone, huh? Naaaah.. |
| 22:07.04 | lardman | lcuk: I've reverted to not using any of the scaling functions now |
| 22:07.07 | n800n | can i make the internet video call app not pop up when i open the camera? |
| 22:07.13 | livinroom | yes, go to the settings of the app |
| 22:07.17 | livinroom | it will give you a checkbox on auto-launch |
| 22:07.23 | n800n | ty |
| 22:07.51 | n800n | sweet |
| 22:08.32 | lcuk | lard, its best when you crash your device and hold power but your program continues to write to the screen whilst "charging" is showing ;) |
| 22:09.35 | KotCzarny | good idea for a virus/scare app |
| 22:09.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:09.37 | lardman | lcuk: :) that would look very odd |
| 22:10.30 | pupnik | i need 60 fps for my subliminal message programming |
| 22:10.36 | livinroom | roffles |
| 22:10.47 | livinroom | WOOOT wooot wooooooooooooot |
| 22:10.49 | lcuk | pupnik at lower resolutions you can have over 100 |
| 22:10.51 | livinroom | i am SO happy right now |
| 22:11.31 | pupnik | nice lcuk. did you figure out how? |
| 22:11.42 | livinroom | i've exceeded design specification limits for happiness. |
| 22:12.01 | pupnik | good job livinroom |
| 22:12.18 | livinroom | i'm Dangerously happy |
| 22:12.20 | lcuk | cos my program shows framecounter in some screens |
| 22:12.36 | lcuk | and at 400*240 it goes at 100fps |
| 22:12.49 | pupnik | and how do you know the lcd controller is refreshing at that rate? |
| 22:12.55 | pupnik | and not discarding updates? |
| 22:12.56 | lcuk | at 800*240 it goes at about 52fps |
| 22:13.12 | lcuk | cos you can see - ill show you |
| 22:13.17 | lcuk | next week |
| 22:13.27 | pupnik | ok awesome - respect |
| 22:13.36 | pupnik | just askin |
| 22:13.49 | GeneralAntilles | rants at lcuk about release early, release often again. :P ;) |
| 22:14.55 | lcuk | release what though? ive just been learning |
| 22:14.59 | lcuk | there isnt a package here yet |
| 22:16.24 | lcuk | by the way, the default editor on 810, how do i bring it up from console? |
| 22:16.54 | lcuk | ive got files i want to edit which are outside the boundary that file manager can see |
| 22:17.04 | NullM0dem | you mena whats the executable name? |
| 22:17.11 | lcuk | yer |
| 22:17.27 | NullM0dem | it would have to accept filenames as a CLI option as well |
| 22:17.52 | lcuk | well if i knew the name i could test it, any ideas? |
| 22:18.04 | NullM0dem | its called osso_notes |
| 22:18.12 | NullM0dem | not sure of the pathname |
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| 22:18.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk: ln -s dir you want to /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 22:19.02 | lcuk | whats ln? |
| 22:19.12 | KotCzarny | (sym)link util |
| 22:19.18 | lcuk | ahhh coool |
| 22:19.25 | NullM0dem | ah that works |
| 22:19.34 | KotCzarny | you will love symlinks |
| 22:19.38 | NullM0dem | theres vim too from terminal |
| 22:19.43 | NullM0dem | or vi rather |
| 22:19.49 | lcuk | so ln -s /usr/bin/liq/ /hone/user/MyDocs/_liq_bin |
| 22:20.07 | lcuk | with a m |
| 22:20.20 | KotCzarny | try |
| 22:20.23 | KotCzarny | could work |
| 22:20.29 | KotCzarny | assuming dirs are right |
| 22:20.35 | lcuk | well ive heard bad things about recursive links and cpu consumption |
| 22:20.37 | lardman | hmm, making progress, I have a nearly complete Jupiter (my video) with only a few green blocks around the place |
| 22:20.58 | KotCzarny | as long you don't symlink from _liq_bin you don't have tto worry |
| 22:21.01 | lcuk | cool |
| 22:21.03 | johnx | lardman, that is really freakin' cool :D |
| 22:22.11 | KotCzarny | lardman: btw. how one accesses your code? via gst or directly? |
| 22:22.38 | lcuk | lard :) i know the feeling, i have evolved this whole text rendering and seen fonts come out of the dark from grey rectangles to random stripes and through to proper glyphs. |
| 22:22.44 | lardman | via a command line binary atm, but something like this could be build into a gst sink |
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| 22:23.24 | lardman | lcuk: just frustrating seeing a nearly complete picture with some random splodges on it! :) |
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| 22:23.31 | lcuk | NullM0dem, osso_notes is right, but doesnt accept params, im trying the symlink thing |
| 22:23.53 | lcuk | is often caught by random off by one bugs |
| 22:24.35 | lcuk | does _liq_bin have to exist already as a normal folder? or will it appear as one |
| 22:25.25 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:25.27 | KotCzarny | it will appear |
| 22:25.29 | KotCzarny | as one |
| 22:25.50 | KotCzarny | think of it as windows shortcuts |
| 22:25.52 | KotCzarny | but better |
| 22:25.53 | lcuk | wickedly brutal, pygtkeditor opens with command line :) |
| 22:26.01 | lcuk | and its highlighting correctly |
| 22:26.08 | johnx | a symlink (symbolic link aka soft link) is what a Windows shortcut would be if they did it right |
| 22:26.11 | KotCzarny | because every app can use symlinks |
| 22:26.27 | johnx | KotCzarny, beat me to it :P |
| 22:26.40 | KotCzarny | johnx: don't worry |
| 22:26.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:27.07 | lcuk | damn, terminal is single instance on device |
| 22:27.40 | KotCzarny | lcuk: get aterm |
| 22:27.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:28.10 | NullM0dem | aterm no way |
| 22:28.16 | KotCzarny | and kciconsbox |
| 22:28.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:28.26 | johnx | or screen |
| 22:28.51 | Blafasel | johnx: Well, that's an evil comparison. What we're talking about here (linking directories) is possible with NTFS for quite some time |
| 22:29.04 | Blafasel | symlinks to files though - suck. Big time. |
| 22:29.13 | johnx | on unix you mean? |
| 22:29.15 | Blafasel | (in Windows. As .lnk files) |
| 22:29.29 | KotCzarny | blafasel: ext2 is a lot older |
| 22:30.18 | KotCzarny | and they did it right from the start |
| 22:30.18 | KotCzarny | windowish links are braindamaged |
| 22:30.18 | johnx | KotCzarny, ln -s is older than ext2 I think :) |
| 22:30.18 | KotCzarny | johnx: probably :) |
| 22:30.30 | Blafasel | johnx: Hm? C:\Somedir can link (think symlink) to either <anydevice> or C:\Some\Other\Dir |
| 22:30.54 | KotCzarny | blafasel: ever tried to cd into it? |
| 22:30.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:31.00 | Blafasel | KotCzarny: That's irrelevant ;) I just wanted to point out that links between folders are not to be compared with .lnk/shortcuts. |
| 22:31.03 | lcuk | wow :) thx, ive added 2 |
| 22:31.05 | johnx | Blafasel, I understand, I was asking what you meant by "symlinks to files suck" |
| 22:31.06 | KotCzarny | no it's not |
| 22:31.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:31.10 | Blafasel | KotCzarny: Yep, works for me |
| 22:31.21 | KotCzarny | but it's puny |
| 22:31.32 | Blafasel | johnx: On Windows only - since .lnk obviously is no replacement |
| 22:31.49 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0050.JPG is what I see |
| 22:32.00 | Blafasel | KotCzarny: Naa.. It's great for me here, linking C:\Programme (german) to C:\Program Files - for all that broken setups |
| 22:32.02 | lcuk | permissions |
| 22:32.18 | johnx | lardman, you see permission denied? |
| 22:32.21 | Blafasel | You don't have permission to access /enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0050.JPG on this server. |
| 22:32.36 | lcuk | lol @ nokia porn |
| 22:32.37 | lardman | nah, I can see it, hang on let me do some tweaking |
| 22:32.52 | Saviq | damn booting from the sd card makes accessing it through usb cable impossible :/ or am I missing something? |
| 22:33.06 | lcuk | plugged in both ends? |
| 22:33.12 | livinroom | lol |
| 22:33.14 | Blafasel | ;-) |
| 22:33.17 | lardman | try that now |
| 22:33.23 | Saviq | well yes, the devices show up |
| 22:33.28 | Blafasel | lardman: Still |
| 22:33.35 | lardman | hmm, just broken it for me now :) |
| 22:33.37 | KotCzarny | saviq: yup, you can't use the same card in 2 places |
| 22:33.56 | KotCzarny | just use sshfs |
| 22:34.06 | lcuk | mark as identified: you reproduced the bug |
| 22:34.17 | lardman | and now |
| 22:34.24 | lcuk | fixed |
| 22:34.26 | Blafasel | Works |
| 22:34.28 | lardman | cool |
| 22:34.54 | Blafasel | Interesting - both the stuff in general and the artifacts ;) |
| 22:34.55 | KotCzarny | interesting |
| 22:35.02 | KotCzarny | looks like b0rkage in uv plane |
| 22:35.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:35.04 | lcuk | lardman - did your jpeg/mpeg decode run out of buffer memory? |
| 22:35.26 | lcuk | that looks more like a data clipping problem rather than actual normal rendering issue |
| 22:35.30 | KotCzarny | and at the end of y |
| 22:35.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:35.33 | lardman | should look like this http://hubblesource.stsci.edu/sources/video/clips/details/images/comet_jupiter_1.mpg |
| 22:35.38 | Saviq | KotCzarny: yeah that's what I'm using atm, but I wanted it to integrate nicely with my music player :/ |
| 22:35.56 | Blafasel | So - who's attending LinuxTag here? |
| 22:36.23 | lardman | lcuk: The decode was fine as I can view the Y plane as RGB565 with no artifacts |
| 22:36.33 | lardman | Blafasel: I am |
| 22:36.37 | Navi | mmm |
| 22:36.38 | lcuk | same here |
| 22:36.39 | Saviq | I wonder if the fat partition is accessible... I could live with keeping my media on the vfat partition |
| 22:37.10 | Navi | johnx, >_> |
| 22:37.13 | Blafasel | I never attended one of the oss conferences, but since it's around the corner and I might meet some new faces.. Still thinking about it. |
| 22:37.19 | Navi | I can only see two items in synaptic :/ |
| 22:37.26 | lcuk | those look more like the tiles the codec used to represent a certain color |
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| 22:37.36 | johnx | Navi, hmm |
| 22:37.55 | Navi | won't let me resize it |
| 22:38.00 | Navi | ohwells |
| 22:38.01 | lcuk | if your algo is clipping incorrectly (off by one bit) what is meant to be 0 could be 128 |
| 22:38.34 | lardman | lcuk: shouldn't be any clipping, just byte reordering |
| 22:38.34 | Navi | johnx, how do change the key that launches matchbox keyboard |
| 22:39.06 | lardman | lcuk: Though I should check that there are no artifacts in the U and V planes before I go off on a wild goose chase |
| 22:39.24 | johnx | Navi, err...good questions |
| 22:39.44 | Navi | :P |
| 22:40.45 | Navi | hmm |
| 22:40.50 | KotCzarny | lardman: i think b0rkage starts at the end of Y plane |
| 22:41.02 | Navi | I think I'll turn on the xfce compositor |
| 22:41.09 | lardman | KotCzarny: miscount? |
| 22:41.16 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | lol, Navi. |
| 22:41.19 | Navi | and set the transparency to matchbox keyboard to 50 :D |
| 22:41.32 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, I already did it before :P |
| 22:41.33 | lardman | strange that a lot of the image is intact |
| 22:41.33 | KotCzarny | maybe you try putting uv at the end of y |
| 22:41.44 | KotCzarny | and getting uv misaligned because of that |
| 22:41.45 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, turned on transparencies + shadows |
| 22:42.09 | lardman | KotCzarny: UV are at the end of Y, but still strange that most of the image is intact |
| 22:42.11 | KotCzarny | put a 10px wide line at the beginning of Y to see if you start correctly |
| 22:42.53 | lardman | KotCzarny: I can output the Y plane after converting it to a single RGB colour then using RGB565 and it doesn't move about |
| 22:43.03 | lardman | so I think it's correctly aligned |
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| 22:44.00 | KotCzarny | explain that mangled 2 lines at the bottom of Y then |
| 22:44.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:44.16 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:45.02 | KotCzarny | another thought |
| 22:45.12 | KotCzarny | y is 2x wide than uv |
| 22:45.13 | lardman | yep? |
| 22:45.17 | lardman | yes |
| 22:45.23 | KotCzarny | ie. should be |
| 22:46.29 | lardman | yes, or rather U and V should be 1/2 as wide and tall as Y |
| 22:47.14 | lardman | not sure about the mangled 2 pixel high line, when output as RGB565 it's all black at the bottom |
| 22:47.47 | KotCzarny | just make an experiment and try to put white pixel at 0x0 |
| 22:48.15 | n800n_ | don't do it |
| 22:48.25 | n800n_ | screen will blow up |
| 22:48.31 | lardman | not sure just how easy that will be to do |
| 22:48.47 | lardman | you mean write the white pixel to the YUV data and see what happens to it? |
| 22:48.59 | lardman | after it's converted |
| 22:49.00 | KotCzarny | lardman: gimp and prepare an jpg |
| 22:49.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:49.11 | KotCzarny | or modify decoded data |
| 22:50.15 | Navi | johnx, no transset in the repos :( |
| 22:50.25 | lardman | KotCzarny: not right now, bed time; but what would you expect to see? I'll have a go tomorrow |
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| 22:50.33 | Navi | Oh yeah, you set your repos to the japanese repos by default and I've been too lazy to change them :D |
| 22:50.53 | KotCzarny | lardman, simple pixel is easier to analyze than random image |
| 22:50.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.22 | lardman | KotCzarny: yep; I thought I might generate some YUV data with fixed values for each plane, then send that in and see what I get out |
| 22:51.40 | lardman | I can save a copy of the framebuffer and pass it back to the ARM so I can hexedit it |
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| 22:53.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:56.24 | lardman | bed time, will report back progress tomorrow |
| 22:56.28 | lardman | cheers for the help chaps |
| 22:56.29 | KotCzarny | night :) |
| 22:57.17 | Blafasel | livinroom: http://explosm.net/comics/345/ wins so far ;) |
| 22:57.23 | Blafasel | Thanks again for the suggestion |
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| 23:11.05 | dieman | gar |
| 23:11.10 | dieman | left my n810 case on the bus |
| 23:11.12 | dieman | the cheap slipcase |
| 23:11.17 | dieman | any tips on finding a replacement |
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| 23:12.37 | lcuk | dieman :'( i feel your loss, my missus had hold of my 810 for 1 day and she lost it |
| 23:12.45 | KotCzarny | just make one yourself |
| 23:12.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:13.48 | Navi | johnx, Terminal > roxterm :P |
| 23:14.22 | dieman | heh |
| 23:14.28 | dieman | lcuk: any luck finding anything good? |
| 23:14.33 | jdiaz | I lost the two stylus in less than one month |
| 23:14.46 | Navi | dieman, HAHAHA YOU'RE FUNNY |
| 23:14.50 | dieman | i think i might just stop by target and hope theres something close to fitting. |
| 23:14.58 | dieman | heh, that bad |
| 23:15.04 | Navi | YOU SAY LUCK AND LCUK IS LUCK MISSPELED |
| 23:15.06 | dieman | wish i could just go to nokia and you know, buy a case |
| 23:15.06 | johnx | Navi, Terminal? |
| 23:15.07 | Navi | OLOLoloLOLoLOolOL |
| 23:15.16 | Navi | johnx, yeah, the terminal that xfce4 comes with |
| 23:15.43 | jdiaz | (what is the plural of stylus?) |
| 23:15.57 | KotCzarny | styluses |
| 23:16.01 | KotCzarny | or stylee |
| 23:16.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:16.03 | dieman | anyhow, pfeh |
| 23:16.06 | jdiaz | styli? |
| 23:16.07 | lcuk | lcuk is not misspelt, you just dont know what it is for :) |
| 23:16.09 | dieman | guess i'll just go to the store and find something |
| 23:16.13 | Grackle | styli or styluses |
| 23:16.26 | lcuk | old pda case for now |
| 23:16.27 | Navi | lcuk, :P |
| 23:16.32 | Grackle | would go with styli |
| 23:16.58 | KotCzarny | you say penises, not peni |
| 23:16.58 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:17.23 | jdiaz | remembers his surprise when learned that data was the plural form of datum |
| 23:17.27 | Grackle | Maybe /you/ do, pfft. |
| 23:18.10 | Blafasel | jdiaz: status is the plural of status (well, maybe you'd have written it statuus) |
| 23:18.19 | Grackle | inflicts horribly catchy and annoying music upon #maemo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_kz6Sp500 |
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| 23:19.35 | lcuk | right, i think the time has come to powerdown |
| 23:19.46 | lcuk | i will be back in about a week |
| 23:19.55 | KotCzarny | i think earlier |
| 23:19.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:19.56 | jdiaz | hibernating? |
| 23:19.59 | lcuk | not at all |
| 23:20.09 | lcuk | i have 0 internet and am glad |
| 23:20.09 | KotCzarny | you will get inetrnet |
| 23:20.17 | lcuk | this is a holiday not just warm irc |
| 23:20.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.39 | jdiaz | but you'll carry your tablet |
| 23:20.57 | lcuk | of course, nothing better than lying by the pool coding :) |
| 23:21.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:21.06 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 23:21.39 | jdiaz | talking about coding in the pool... I bought today one of these flexible keyboards |
| 23:22.10 | lcuk | wicked, ive got an apple bt |
| 23:22.36 | jdiaz | the touch is dreadful, but, hey, my first computer was a 48k spectrum! |
| 23:22.37 | Navi | someone should port stripclub to the NITs |
| 23:22.37 | lcuk | why havent they brought out the lilo keyboard |
| 23:23.13 | MajMin7 | hey lcuk |
| 23:23.18 | lcuk | hi maj |
| 23:23.20 | MajMin7 | i got it to work |
| 23:23.25 | MajMin7 | its total crap though |
| 23:23.29 | lcuk | well now my life is complete |
| 23:23.32 | MajMin7 | lol |
| 23:23.42 | lcuk | did you show your students |
| 23:23.44 | MajMin7 | no |
| 23:23.45 | lcuk | or wasnt it worth it |
| 23:23.49 | MajMin7 | im not done |
| 23:23.55 | MajMin7 | i still have to code the project |
| 23:24.02 | MajMin7 | i thought you might want to know the story though |
| 23:24.22 | lcuk | it will wait for another week |
| 23:24.22 | MajMin7 | there's this application called /usr/lbexec/navicore-gpsd-helper |
| 23:24.27 | Navi | http://sourceforge.net/projects/stripclub/ |
| 23:24.29 | lcuk | gnite all |
| 23:24.34 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
| 23:24.41 | lcuk | kot you have 2 mins to grab code |
| 23:24.49 | lcuk | offsite backup :) |
| 23:24.50 | jdiaz | see you |
| 23:26.54 | jdiaz | btw, is it affected chinook by the debian openssl vulnerability? |
| 23:27.09 | Navi | oh yeah, that's total lol |
| 23:27.18 | johnx | Navi, apt-cache search stripclub |
| 23:27.35 | Navi | Oh, I know it's there |
| 23:27.37 | Navi | I saw it too |
| 23:27.44 | jdiaz | navi, why? |
| 23:27.46 | johnx | ah, you mean hildonize it? |
| 23:27.57 | Navi | I just wanted to see people make dirty jokes before saying that it's just a comic viewer |
| 23:28.02 | Navi | but it didn't work out :P |
| 23:28.20 | jdiaz | no one would comment without first checking the link :-) |
| 23:29.49 | Navi | wonder if qcomicviewer is nice |
| 23:30.14 | GeneralAntilles | Navi fails at trolling. |
| 23:30.26 | Navi | That wasn't trolling |
| 23:30.31 | jdiaz | I tried comix |
| 23:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | Exactly, Navi. :P |
| 23:30.43 | jdiaz | it crashed most of the time |
| 23:30.44 | Navi | comix is fine with some modification |
| 23:30.46 | Navi | really? |
| 23:30.49 | Navi | never crashed for me |
| 23:31.00 | jdiaz | you probably have swapping enabled |
| 23:31.05 | Navi | yeah |
| 23:31.09 | Navi | it ate up ram |
| 23:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody should have swap on. |
| 23:31.35 | jdiaz | but does not check for null mallocs :-) |
| 23:31.56 | derf | You can't check for null mallocs. |
| 23:32.06 | jdiaz | why not? |
| 23:32.07 | derf | Linux over-commits pages. |
| 23:32.24 | derf | It hands you back a nice valid address that doesn't actually map to anything. |
| 23:32.32 | jdiaz | oh |
| 23:32.33 | derf | And then tries to go map it the first time you use it. |
| 23:32.56 | jdiaz | so, if you run out of ram, you can't detect it? |
| 23:33.09 | derf | You could install a signal handler to catch the segfault. |
| 23:33.13 | derf | But good luck recovering from it. |
| 23:33.21 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it doesn't always play nice with everyone's card... |
| 23:33.31 | jdiaz | hmm.. anyway, comix did not segfault. It caused reboot instead |
| 23:33.38 | Navi | lol |
| 23:33.48 | jdiaz | it also happened to evince, trying to read PDF comics |
| 23:33.56 | derf | Hooray watchdog timer. |
| 23:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | People shouldn't buy shitty cards. :P |
| 23:34.18 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, :P |
| 23:34.38 | Navi | johnx, :P |
| 23:34.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I don't think the SD driver on the tablet is still 100% bullet proof yet |
| 23:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe, I don't believe so either. |
| 23:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | puts a bullet through johnx's N800. |
| 23:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, not bullet proof. |
| 23:35.35 | johnx | hi-la-ri-ous |
| 23:35.36 | Grackle | :O |
| 23:35.37 | Navi | awesome |
| 23:35.43 | Navi | qcomicbook rocks |
| 23:35.52 | Navi | it just needs to stop being ugly |
| 23:35.57 | Navi | looks for a good qt theme |
| 23:35.59 | johnx | heh |
| 23:36.28 | Navi | A lot better than that python monster |
| 23:36.28 | Grackle | Ugly? What are you talking about, it's Qt as hell. |
| 23:36.53 | Navi | HAHAHA UR SO FUNNY |
| 23:36.58 | Navi | Damned puns |
| 23:37.08 | johnx | cranky much? |
| 23:37.15 | Navi | Not really |
| 23:37.23 | Navi | I just like acting like that whenever someone uses a pun :D |
| 23:37.31 | johnx | aah |
| 23:37.37 | GeneralAntilles | Navi's so funny. . . . |
| 23:37.42 | Navi | i kno rite? |
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