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| 00:52.56 | dougbarrett | does anyone know how to install OS2008 on a nokia n800 through OS X? |
| 00:54.35 | dougbarrett | nevermind, found it |
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| 00:57.51 | MajMin7 | hey |
| 00:58.30 | MajMin7 | where do i find h-files.... like <location/location-gps-device.h> |
| 00:58.41 | MajMin7 | ? |
| 00:58.51 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.02 | KotCzarny | or anywhere you set -I |
| 00:59.27 | MajMin7 | -l? |
| 00:59.33 | KotCzarny | change your font |
| 00:59.38 | KotCzarny | or glasses |
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| 00:59.53 | MajMin7 | -I? |
| 00:59.59 | KotCzarny | or copypaste it |
| 01:00.34 | MajMin7 | i dont know what this is |
| 01:00.38 | MajMin7 | an option to gcc? |
| 01:00.44 | MajMin7 | an environment variable? |
| 01:00.50 | KotCzarny | gcc option |
| 01:00.57 | MajMin7 | oh |
| 01:00.57 | KotCzarny | try gcc -v |
| 01:00.58 | MajMin7 | sorry |
| 01:01.01 | MajMin7 | not a gcc expert |
| 01:01.08 | MajMin7 | duh |
| 01:02.08 | KotCzarny | nvm |
| 01:02.13 | KotCzarny | just assume it's /usr/include |
| 01:02.49 | MajMin7 | yea |
| 01:02.53 | MajMin7 | i still have to tell gcc where to look tho |
| 01:03.06 | MajMin7 | cause its not finding the includes on its own |
| 01:03.10 | KotCzarny | then -I/your/includes/dir |
| 01:06.21 | MajMin7 | hmm |
| 01:06.31 | MajMin7 | i dont see the location header in there |
| 01:07.43 | lcuk | MajMin7, which specific header is missing |
| 01:08.01 | MajMin7 | im trying to write a hello-world GPS program |
| 01:08.06 | lcuk | it could be that you don't have the libxyz-devel library installed. |
| 01:08.20 | MajMin7 | it says that I need to include <location/location-gps-device.h> |
| 01:08.33 | MajMin7 | i get a slew of compilation errors |
| 01:09.14 | KotCzarny | check if it's for current os version |
| 01:09.25 | lcuk | ok, reading maemo says you are talking about liblocation |
| 01:09.35 | KotCzarny | location and lib names can change between versions |
| 01:10.35 | lcuk | what are you using to compile with - vmware with scratchbox, or proper linux all setup |
| 01:10.55 | MajMin7 | hmmm |
| 01:10.59 | lcuk | and have you compiled other things with your system |
| 01:11.13 | MajMin7 | I have successfully compiled other apps |
| 01:11.23 | MajMin7 | i compiled the hello-world GUI app in the quickstart |
| 01:11.34 | MajMin7 | i have also compiled two programs that I wrote myself |
| 01:11.46 | lcuk | i gather you are new to this world :) |
| 01:11.47 | MajMin7 | this is the first program that I am writing to try to use a special function, though |
| 01:11.52 | MajMin7 | im new to the N810 |
| 01:11.55 | MajMin7 | yes |
| 01:12.18 | lcuk | are you using native linux or are you using the vmware pre-prepared scratchbox environment |
| 01:12.31 | MajMin7 | im working out of scratchbox |
| 01:12.45 | MajMin7 | i installed that and the maemo sdk |
| 01:12.59 | lcuk | ok, in a sb console you will need to install the devel library for liblocation |
| 01:13.12 | MajMin7 | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 01:13.22 | MajMin7 | thats not part of the maemo-sdk? |
| 01:14.11 | KotCzarny | dpkg -l |grep location |
| 01:14.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:14.14 | lcuk | its installed on mine actually, ive just run im not sure |
| 01:14.18 | lcuk | shit |
| 01:14.21 | MajMin7 | yea |
| 01:14.24 | MajMin7 | let me grep for it....... |
| 01:14.26 | lcuk | apt-get install liblocation-dev |
| 01:14.34 | lcuk | if its already installed it will tell you |
| 01:15.59 | MajMin7 | looks like its installing..... |
| 01:16.03 | lcuk | i have just included it in my project and it fails with files within it |
| 01:16.15 | lcuk | ie the header exists, but other things are missing |
| 01:17.48 | MajMin7 | yea |
| 01:17.49 | MajMin7 | so |
| 01:17.59 | MajMin7 | it now finds the location header file |
| 01:18.04 | MajMin7 | but i get 4x more errors |
| 01:18.10 | MajMin7 | cant find other .h's |
| 01:18.44 | lcuk | for other things. unfortunately ive found its commonly the way, follow the trail - find out what header and install the -dev lib for it |
| 01:19.14 | MajMin7 | ok |
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| 01:19.32 | lcuk | once you have everything it will stop moaning :) |
| 01:19.42 | lcuk | just did all this directly on device |
| 01:19.50 | KotCzarny | grrraugh. i hate amd64. |
| 01:19.57 | KotCzarny | (and old software) |
| 01:20.06 | lcuk | nothing wrong with either |
| 01:20.25 | MajMin7 | yea that'd be great if it worked! |
| 01:20.31 | MajMin7 | i have a deadline by thursday |
| 01:20.47 | lcuk | havent we all |
| 01:21.39 | lcuk | is going on holiday on thursday and will only have 810 available |
| 01:21.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:21.49 | KotCzarny | 'only' |
| 01:21.56 | |R | just did that in asia for a month and a half and it was great :) |
| 01:22.18 | lcuk | yer but i want to do full dev work on device |
| 01:22.34 | |R | ouf |
| 01:22.36 | KotCzarny | as long you have confortable kb it's ok |
| 01:22.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:22.40 | KotCzarny | comfortable |
| 01:22.42 | lcuk | apple bt :) |
| 01:22.48 | KotCzarny | fine enough |
| 01:22.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:22.55 | lcuk | and smooth scrolly screen |
| 01:23.47 | lcuk | whether or not i will actually be able to dev on that in time is another matter, but the code will continue one way or the other |
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| 01:25.32 | lcuk | right, to bed |
| 01:25.36 | lcuk | gnite |
| 01:25.39 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
| 01:25.44 | lcuk | MajMin7, good luck |
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| 01:26.53 | MajMin7 | hey thanks |
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| 01:47.30 | Livingroom | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:47.36 | Livingroom | t. |
| 01:47.43 | Livingroom | so: i love my n800 |
| 01:47.52 | Livingroom | for behold; it doth emanate greatness, and it is epic. |
| 01:48.07 | KotCzarny | wait till you hit it's limits |
| 01:48.14 | Livingroom | like what |
| 01:48.19 | Livingroom | it does what i want, really |
| 01:48.30 | Livingroom | tonight i'm installing dos 6.2/win3.1 and play commander keen on it |
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| 02:10.04 | dougbarrett | does anyone know of an alternative OS to OS2008? |
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| 02:10.28 | dougbarrett | i remember i tried something about 6 months ago, and it had an extremely basic white and green interface |
| 02:10.32 | dougbarrett | but i cant remember then name |
| 02:10.43 | KotCzarny | poky? |
| 02:11.09 | KotCzarny | but if you prefer more traditional desktop just get kde or johnx's debian |
| 02:12.25 | dougbarrett | yea poky was it |
| 02:12.51 | dougbarrett | wouldn't KDE run better if it wasn't running on top of OS2008? |
| 02:13.17 | KotCzarny | that's why i suggested debian |
| 02:14.28 | dougbarrett | alright, i'm looking into it |
| 02:14.29 | dougbarrett | thanks |
| 02:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, no, dougbarrett. |
| 02:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | KDE's startup shuts down Matchbox, etc. |
| 02:15.28 | K-Fox | is it possible to install debian on n8xx? |
| 02:15.34 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 02:15.37 | K-Fox | wow |
| 02:16.22 | dougbarrett | i guess you have to run it from a memory card |
| 02:16.45 | K-Fox | does debian have more application than maemo ? |
| 02:16.52 | K-Fox | in arm |
| 02:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 02:17.01 | KotCzarny | k-fox: it doesn't matter |
| 02:17.06 | KotCzarny | both use same libraries |
| 02:17.17 | KotCzarny | and both have some incompatibilities |
| 02:17.23 | KotCzarny | ie. kdelibs vs hildon libs |
| 02:17.33 | dougbarrett | i'm going to try out poky and see how far it has progressed |
| 02:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | Not far, dougbarrett. |
| 02:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's not usable as a primary. |
| 02:18.19 | K-Fox | debian is compatible both arm and intel? |
| 02:18.34 | dougbarrett | debian is compatible with 12 different processors i believe |
| 02:18.45 | K-Fox | wow |
| 02:19.13 | dougbarrett | grr i am pissed off that i lost the backing to my nokia n800 |
| 02:19.31 | dougbarrett | and i don't really want to pay $20+s/h for a piece of plastic to cover the battery |
| 02:19.48 | K-Fox | it's a wonderful OS |
| 02:20.37 | Navi | dougbarrett, duct tape |
| 02:20.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:20.45 | dougbarrett | haha |
| 02:20.47 | dougbarrett | uhh... |
| 02:20.51 | KotCzarny | good idea though |
| 02:20.56 | KotCzarny | if done properly |
| 02:21.11 | Navi | oh, and something to replace the magnetic panel |
| 02:21.36 | dougbarrett | i e-mailed nokia in hopes that they will send me one |
| 02:23.56 | dougbarrett | you can't do skype video chat with the n800 can you? |
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| 02:29.06 | K-Fox | Google Talk is possible to do video chat |
| 02:33.23 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 02:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | Google Talk for tablet-to-tablet |
| 02:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo for tablet-pc |
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| 03:09.42 | MajMin7 | hey |
| 03:09.53 | MajMin7 | I am having a problem with another header file |
| 03:09.59 | MajMin7 | glib-object.h |
| 03:10.12 | MajMin7 | does anyone know what this is? my make cant find it |
| 03:10.18 | KotCzarny | probably glib-dev |
| 03:10.21 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 03:10.27 | MajMin7 | that's already installed |
| 03:10.31 | KotCzarny | or is it? |
| 03:10.45 | KotCzarny | dpkg -l |grep glib-dev |
| 03:11.21 | MajMin7 | i did that actually |
| 03:11.42 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.54 | MajMin7 | libglib2.0-dev |
| 03:16.37 | MajMin7 | arrr |
| 03:17.16 | MajMin7 | so I did a ls -R *.h on my /usr/include directory |
| 03:17.38 | MajMin7 | there are no glib*.h files in there |
| 03:17.57 | KotCzarny | wrong |
| 03:18.06 | KotCzarny | find /usr/include -name glib*.h |
| 03:18.16 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 03:18.35 | MajMin7 | on crap |
| 03:18.36 | MajMin7 | that did it |
| 03:18.58 | KotCzarny | but you are actually missing `glib-configure --includes` in your makefile |
| 03:19.02 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 03:19.17 | KotCzarny | glib-config i mean |
| 03:19.20 | MajMin7 | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 03:19.20 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 03:19.24 | KotCzarny | and --cflags |
| 03:19.27 | MajMin7 | right |
| 03:19.35 | MajMin7 | i think thats in the helloworld compilation line |
| 03:19.38 | MajMin7 | i need to copy that |
| 03:19.43 | MajMin7 | i didnt understand it before |
| 03:19.47 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: did nokia password protect the diablo repository? |
| 03:19.56 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like it. |
| 03:20.08 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:20.14 | KotCzarny | good thing i made a copy |
| 03:20.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:20.28 | KotCzarny | *i've |
| 03:22.54 | EruditeHermit | that sucks |
| 03:24.32 | MajMin7 | KotCzarny: is there a reference somewhere for these build options? |
| 03:24.40 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 03:24.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:24.46 | MajMin7 | glib-config isnt being found either |
| 03:24.47 | MajMin7 | lol |
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| 03:56.13 | MajMin7 | ok so the only "glib-" programs that are on my system are glib-genmarshal, glib-mkenums, and glib-gettextize |
| 03:56.22 | MajMin7 | none of which sound at all like glib-config |
| 03:56.29 | KotCzarny | may be named differently |
| 03:57.06 | MajMin7 | i did a find / -name glib-* |
| 03:57.32 | MajMin7 | it's gotta start with glib, right? |
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| 03:59.27 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 04:00.07 | KotCzarny | may be for glib1 though |
| 04:04.24 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: when I just did an apt-get update, it saw the repository and didn't complain at all |
| 04:04.36 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: what is it like for you? |
| 04:04.48 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't looked at it |
| 04:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | Some other people were reporting 401s |
| 04:08.32 | MajMin7 | ohhhhh |
| 04:08.36 | MajMin7 | maybe is it pkg-config? |
| 04:08.41 | KotCzarny | probably |
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| 04:23.57 | MajMin7 | so this is my program that wont compile |
| 04:24.11 | MajMin7 | #include <location/location-gps-device.h> |
| 04:24.14 | MajMin7 | int main() |
| 04:24.17 | MajMin7 | { |
| 04:24.21 | MajMin7 | exit(0); |
| 04:24.22 | MajMin7 | } |
| 04:24.41 | MajMin7 | its obvious that there are some rudimentary includes that I dont have |
| 04:24.47 | MajMin7 | but I cant find this documented anywhere |
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| 04:25.14 | MajMin7 | all of my errors come from within the gps include files |
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| 04:46.30 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 04:46.37 | MajMin7 | the solution is simple |
| 04:46.50 | MajMin7 | duh |
| 04:47.16 | MajMin7 | compile: gcc with `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0` |
| 04:47.27 | MajMin7 | i completely GUESSED that line |
| 04:47.52 | MajMin7 | by looking at the compilation line that is used for the hello world example, which uses gtk |
| 04:50.18 | KotCzarny | then you haven't guessed completely |
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| 04:56.20 | MajMin7 | lol |
| 04:56.22 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 04:56.35 | MajMin7 | so now that it compiles, i tried to add GPS calls to my void main() |
| 04:56.45 | MajMin7 | and it doesnt have a clue what any of the functions are |
| 04:59.53 | Livingroom | well |
| 04:59.57 | Livingroom | i dont have a clue what any of the functions are |
| 05:00.02 | Livingroom | so if *I* dont know |
| 05:00.05 | Livingroom | it sure as hell wont :P |
| 05:00.23 | Livingroom | how do i tell my n800 system to boot verbose? |
| 05:01.33 | Livingroom | i cant find anything on google about verbose boot |
| 05:03.54 | KotCzarny | oneword: fbconsole |
| 05:04.24 | Livingroom | thats like, 3 words |
| 05:04.31 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 05:04.33 | Livingroom | :P |
| 05:04.54 | KotCzarny | ok, for a ':P' you're on your own from now :P |
| 05:05.40 | Livingroom | *sigh* |
| 05:05.44 | Livingroom | but but but |
| 05:05.47 | Livingroom | ":P" is "cute" |
| 05:06.22 | Livingroom | ok so |
| 05:06.24 | Livingroom | fbconsole |
| 05:06.26 | Livingroom | is like not on google |
| 05:07.04 | Livingroom | i see you talking about it back on 4/26 |
| 05:07.06 | Livingroom | and thats it :( |
| 05:07.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:07.40 | KotCzarny | try fb console then |
| 05:09.49 | Livingroom | bah |
| 05:09.50 | Livingroom | scrwe it |
| 05:09.53 | Livingroom | too much trouble |
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| 05:55.36 | pupnik | dang i just traced out the berlin wall on a google map and it crashzdor |
| 05:55.42 | pupnik | teh gimp |
| 05:55.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:59.54 | AStorm | KotCzarny: care to say how to get a real sb environment up and running? (I've had no luck) |
| 06:00.07 | KotCzarny | define 'real sb' |
| 06:00.23 | AStorm | someone had a nice info on getting it running on Gentoo |
| 06:00.34 | AStorm | but I lost the url |
| 06:00.53 | pupnik | you mean non-vmware? |
| 06:01.07 | AStorm | yes, as vmware doesn't work :/ |
| 06:01.22 | AStorm | (can't pull the rest of sw) |
| 06:01.27 | qwerty12 | I've got the latest image to work but I prefer real sb |
| 06:01.33 | KotCzarny | astorm: actually i have just followed instructions in install.txt |
| 06:01.34 | AStorm | (or install anything) |
| 06:01.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hmmhmm |
| 06:01.51 | AStorm | their binary fails here |
| 06:02.01 | KotCzarny | what's the erro? |
| 06:02.02 | AStorm | for reasons related to ld |
| 06:02.03 | KotCzarny | error |
| 06:02.08 | qwerty12 | vdso? |
| 06:02.13 | AStorm | qwerty12: yep |
| 06:02.17 | qwerty12 | Disable it :) |
| 06:02.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:02.26 | KotCzarny | and read docs! |
| 06:02.26 | AStorm | huh? |
| 06:02.34 | AStorm | KotCzarny: read these |
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| 06:02.49 | AStorm | qwerty12: it's that sysctl, right? |
| 06:03.06 | AStorm | I hate to disable security features |
| 06:03.13 | KotCzarny | no |
| 06:03.15 | qwerty12 | No idea on what it is, I just know how to disable it :/ |
| 06:03.16 | KotCzarny | it's the /proc |
| 06:03.19 | AStorm | a pity sb is broken :P |
| 06:03.26 | KotCzarny | qwerty: and thanks to who? |
| 06:03.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:03.29 | AStorm | KotCzarny: /proc/sys = sysctl |
| 06:03.30 | qwerty12 | You can do it through sysctl afaik too. |
| 06:03.38 | KotCzarny | astorm: not quite |
| 06:03.39 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, you :). but I did find other method too ;) |
| 06:03.52 | AStorm | mhm, so time to rock :P |
| 06:04.04 | AStorm | first build qill be a real Xfce terminal |
| 06:04.08 | KotCzarny | i just have a script for starting sbox |
| 06:04.20 | qwerty12 | Here is vdso sysctl.conf line - vm.vdso_enabled = 0 |
| 06:04.25 | AStorm | KotCzarny: can vdso be disabled per-task? |
| 06:04.33 | AStorm | (or chroot for that matter) |
| 06:04.36 | KotCzarny | probably not |
| 06:04.40 | AStorm | :/ |
| 06:04.54 | KotCzarny | but you can reenable it after you finish with sbox |
| 06:05.01 | AStorm | hate to leave my servers exposed to most basic stack overflows :P |
| 06:05.07 | AStorm | mhm |
| 06:05.20 | AStorm | well, could run it in vmware anyway |
| 06:05.29 | AStorm | or in a vserver |
| 06:05.36 | KotCzarny | then just grab a free p3 box |
| 06:05.42 | AStorm | (latter preferred due to 0 speed hit) |
| 06:06.18 | AStorm | ok, it's vserver then |
| 06:06.50 | AStorm | KotCzarny: btw, mplayer gets real nice when reniced -1 |
| 06:06.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:07.01 | AStorm | and esd is reniced to -5 or higher |
| 06:07.09 | AStorm | which indicates scheduler fail |
| 06:07.25 | AStorm | thus I shall speed up 2.6.25 implementation here :P |
| 06:08.01 | AStorm | pity I can't install two kernels here |
| 06:08.20 | AStorm | can't trust kexec either |
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| 06:11.10 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 06:11.19 | KotCzarny | pointers are longints on amd64? |
| 06:11.30 | KotCzarny | or more? |
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| 06:13.47 | AStorm | heh, n810 screen is indeed readable in sunlight |
| 06:14.00 | AStorm | w/o backlight even |
| 06:14.03 | qwerty12 | lucky :( |
| 06:14.08 | AStorm | although loses color |
| 06:14.13 | qwerty12 | My n800 one sucks badly. |
| 06:14.32 | AStorm | heh, that's the price diff |
| 06:14.38 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 06:14.52 | qwerty12 | true :) |
| 06:14.52 | KotCzarny | i have to check this transreflectivity someday |
| 06:14.55 | AStorm | we'll see if n900 3,4" format will sell |
| 06:15.12 | KotCzarny | 3.4 ? |
| 06:15.14 | AStorm | KotCzarny: grab N95 - same kind |
| 06:15.27 | AStorm | KotCzarny: smaller, yes |
| 06:15.33 | KotCzarny | i imagine they leave 800x480 ? |
| 06:15.39 | AStorm | dunno |
| 06:15.45 | KotCzarny | or even up it to 1024x600 |
| 06:15.56 | AStorm | anyway, right now you need good eyes :P |
| 06:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Why would N900 be 3.4"} |
| 06:16.13 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I've heard something |
| 06:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | You heard nothing |
| 06:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | There's absolutely zero information on the N900. ;) |
| 06:16.31 | doc|home | AStorm: source? |
| 06:16.42 | AStorm | doc|home: here, grep logs |
| 06:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | and they definitely wont be dropping the screen size. |
| 06:16.59 | doc|home | ah, a bloke on irc told you? :D |
| 06:17.16 | KotCzarny | http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8262.html |
| 06:17.19 | GeneralAntilles | Especially considering that maemo isn't set up for anything other than 800x480 at the moment |
| 06:17.21 | AStorm | KotCzarny: transflective screen looks like those oldschool lcds with mirror under |
| 06:17.24 | glass | 3.4" is way too small |
| 06:17.27 | KotCzarny | The Nokia N900 will be a mini-version of the N800, with a 3.5" display, like the one iPhone has. |
| 06:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | That's a joke article. |
| 06:17.56 | KotCzarny | sure, we will see in june |
| 06:17.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:18.07 | AStorm | hopefully, not smaller |
| 06:18.29 | AStorm | curent form could be slightly condensed though |
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| 06:18.48 | AStorm | shave off 2 cm width |
| 06:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | They're not going smaller. |
| 06:18.57 | KotCzarny | we will see |
| 06:19.01 | GeneralAntilles | You'd have nothing to hold it by if they did that. |
| 06:19.03 | KotCzarny | they went smaller with n810 |
| 06:19.04 | glass | ugh |
| 06:19.09 | glass | the article is utter crap |
| 06:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, the N810 is packed tight enough anyway |
| 06:19.13 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: no, why? |
| 06:19.16 | glass | total utter crap |
| 06:19.21 | KotCzarny | technology is moving forward |
| 06:19.28 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: no, it's not |
| 06:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want to have to sacrifice more stuff to get the device smaller. |
| 06:19.38 | AStorm | i has lots of free spacee :P |
| 06:19.40 | KotCzarny | so what was packed yesterday may be lots of space tomorrow |
| 06:19.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:19.45 | AStorm | *it |
| 06:20.05 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: they shouldn't need to |
| 06:20.13 | AStorm | just smarter placement |
| 06:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Easier said than done. |
| 06:20.35 | AStorm | yes, esp. considering cost |
| 06:20.45 | KotCzarny | saying 'it can't be done! impossible!' is retarded |
| 06:20.51 | keesj | but it is going to provide virtual 800x1200 with zooming right? |
| 06:21.06 | AStorm | keesj: ask driver devel about it |
| 06:21.12 | doc|home | sure and a kitchen sink |
| 06:21.13 | AStorm | and about 3D |
| 06:21.17 | AStorm | :P |
| 06:21.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | Smaller sucks anyway |
| 06:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | Means shitty placement of all the buttons |
| 06:21.33 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: no, same |
| 06:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | Buttons should be on the face, not the slider |
| 06:21.42 | doc|home | I'd much rather a bigger screen, same res, in the same size package. I.e. less bezel |
| 06:21.43 | AStorm | ah, the dir button |
| 06:21.56 | AStorm | I suggest the use of touchscreen |
| 06:22.00 | KotCzarny | as long screen is multitouch you don't need hw buttons |
| 06:22.02 | keesj | and they will move the buttons to and multi-rouch pad to the back |
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| 06:22.10 | doc|home | buttons are useful |
| 06:22.14 | doc|home | imo |
| 06:22.15 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 06:22.17 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you do need the keyboard though |
| 06:22.22 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 06:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | Multitouch is overrated. |
| 06:22.29 | AStorm | I'd like more buttons on the sides |
| 06:22.30 | KotCzarny | depends on the task |
| 06:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone is a pain to use. |
| 06:22.40 | AStorm | there is space for a few |
| 06:22.54 | KotCzarny | make it read your brainwaves |
| 06:22.55 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 06:22.58 | AStorm | naaah |
| 06:23.14 | AStorm | just a few buttons to ease cpnstrolling of canola :P |
| 06:23.29 | AStorm | *controlling |
| 06:23.38 | glass | the article is just written as what would some random guy want it to be... |
| 06:23.52 | AStorm | play/pause and forward/backward |
| 06:23.53 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 06:23.59 | glass | the ovi stuff in it for example |
| 06:24.00 | KotCzarny | this article is fully hypothetical |
| 06:24.01 | AStorm | volume control is already |
| 06:24.03 | AStorm | there |
| 06:24.13 | qwerty12 | " |
| 06:24.13 | qwerty12 | The N900 will be powered by Smart Tablet OS 2008 (based on Maemo), " ? |
| 06:24.15 | qwerty12 | BS. |
| 06:24.19 | AStorm | lol |
| 06:24.22 | glass | also it says it would have opera still |
| 06:24.32 | glass | and a lot of other stuff |
| 06:24.32 | AStorm | ok, ignore it |
| 06:24.41 | qwerty12 | I don't think this guy has ever touched a N8*0. |
| 06:24.42 | doc|home | way ahead of you |
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| 06:24.58 | KotCzarny | it may even be older than n810 |
| 06:25.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:25.05 | AStorm | hehe |
| 06:25.11 | keesj | qwerty12: yes "Smart Tablet OS" is a very nice name IMHO |
| 06:25.20 | AStorm | ok, I'll draw my dream N810 mod |
| 06:25.32 | AStorm | really a minor change |
| 06:25.42 | keesj | perfomming GPS chip |
| 06:26.22 | qwerty12 | keesj, but it's not called smart tablet :P. and i'd be disappointed if it still absurdly ran OS2008 (and yes, I know it won't) |
| 06:26.22 | keesj | GPRS/Phone functionality... (for me that is) |
| 06:26.22 | AStorm | except adding keys is impossible :| |
| 06:26.22 | AStorm | (for me, at least) |
| 06:26.36 | KotCzarny | astorm: custom usb kb? |
| 06:26.57 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, 4 keys attached with tape? lol |
| 06:26.59 | qwerty12 | keesj, that would be good for A-GPS. According to Mara, there's a test program in development that uses the GPRS/UMTS of your phone for A-GPS on N810 |
| 06:27.05 | KotCzarny | something like that |
| 06:27.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:27.25 | KotCzarny | in a form of sleeve |
| 06:27.25 | AStorm | KotCzarny: unsightly and fragile |
| 06:27.41 | AStorm | I'd need to somehow replace current keys |
| 06:27.46 | AStorm | or mod them |
| 06:27.52 | AStorm | and cut more holes |
| 06:28.06 | AStorm | too hard |
| 06:28.38 | AStorm | N810 could use a 2000 mAh battery :P |
| 06:29.04 | qwerty12 | My N800 could do with a 100000000000000 mAh battery :/ (no joke :() |
| 06:29.06 | AStorm | (that's actually possible to do) |
| 06:29.16 | AStorm | qwerty12: ya, but not feasible |
| 06:29.23 | AStorm | while 2000 is. |
| 06:29.31 | KotCzarny | your electricity bill would kill you |
| 06:29.39 | glass | crank would be nice ;) |
| 06:29.47 | glass | olpc or crank charger style |
| 06:29.47 | AStorm | except Nokia likes to reuse battery designs |
| 06:29.47 | qwerty12 | hehe. Diablo keeps my CPU and Mem usage on high all the time :/ |
| 06:29.53 | AStorm | glass: build one :P |
| 06:29.54 | Navi | awsum |
| 06:29.55 | keesj | is getting a lot of callbacks on the handle_hangover function and INT_COFFER interrupts in the head and goes back to idle mode |
| 06:30.26 | KotCzarny | btw. anyone with a knowledge about updates/diablo directory 401 ? |
| 06:30.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:31.14 | AStorm | ok, feature reqs: |
| 06:31.26 | AStorm | - better gps (but then...) |
| 06:31.35 | AStorm | real separate shift keys |
| 06:31.39 | doc|home | couldn't care less about gps |
| 06:32.01 | AStorm | second ctrl |
| 06:32.26 | qwerty12 | is now happy because I /finally/ got the 0xffff gui to compile |
| 06:32.41 | KotCzarny | gaming keys? |
| 06:32.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:32.49 | AStorm | naah, why |
| 06:32.53 | KotCzarny | for some apps |
| 06:33.29 | AStorm | next: 3 more keys on the rim: play/pause, next, prev |
| 06:34.34 | AStorm | maybe: slim it down 1 cm |
| 06:34.45 | AStorm | needed: usb charging |
| 06:34.49 | KotCzarny | down to 1cm or by 1cm? |
| 06:34.56 | AStorm | KotCzarny: by |
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| 06:35.29 | AStorm | ah, software: |
| 06:35.46 | AStorm | make app menus more finger friendly |
| 06:35.55 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 06:35.59 | AStorm | (I mean those of menu button) |
| 06:36.07 | KotCzarny | just make drivers more dev friendly |
| 06:36.08 | AStorm | and move menu button to thne cover |
| 06:36.24 | AStorm | and make camera not crash the device :P |
| 06:36.40 | doc|home | has never once used the camera |
| 06:36.41 | AStorm | optionally, if not slimming the device |
| 06:36.54 | AStorm | add touchpad for scrolling on the right |
| 06:37.04 | AStorm | (synaptics, hopefully) |
| 06:37.14 | KotCzarny | another closed driver? |
| 06:37.28 | AStorm | synaptics != closed |
| 06:37.40 | KotCzarny | new version could be closed :) |
| 06:37.49 | AStorm | why? just use usb |
| 06:38.01 | KotCzarny | even worse |
| 06:38.04 | AStorm | there is a spare hub inside already |
| 06:38.07 | KotCzarny | usb isn't so much power friendly |
| 06:38.20 | AStorm | KotCzarny: oh really? it has autosuspend |
| 06:38.32 | KotCzarny | only if you enable it yourself |
| 06:38.45 | AStorm | not really |
| 06:38.56 | AStorm | new kernels have it |
| 06:39.03 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 06:39.08 | AStorm | part of "sleepy linux" project |
| 06:39.10 | KotCzarny | newer than .21 ? |
| 06:39.17 | AStorm | yes |
| 06:39.23 | AStorm | since .24 |
| 06:39.32 | KotCzarny | diablo uses .21 |
| 06:39.38 | AStorm | bummer! |
| 06:39.50 | KotCzarny | at least for now |
| 06:39.51 | AStorm | why can't they just port the darned cx driver |
| 06:39.58 | AStorm | and voltage control |
| 06:41.02 | AStorm | alternatively, pay someone to devel prism54 for spi some more |
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| 06:42.53 | AStorm | should I be able to get another n810, I'll put it onto our rev-eng table |
| 06:43.13 | KotCzarny | saw 770 for 75$ |
| 06:43.15 | AStorm | and see what the umac does |
| 06:43.22 | AStorm | KotCzarny: same wifi chip? |
| 06:43.26 | KotCzarny | 770 has very similiar vhip |
| 06:43.28 | KotCzarny | chip |
| 06:43.30 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 06:43.38 | AStorm | mhm |
| 06:43.46 | AStorm | so I'll get one |
| 06:43.59 | AStorm | or N800 for that matter |
| 06:44.58 | AStorm | destroy it somewhat :P and analyse traffic to the chip |
| 06:45.26 | AStorm | good for engineer degree :P |
| 06:48.12 | AStorm | ack, can't disable vdso in a vserver |
| 06:48.15 | AStorm | I lose |
| 06:48.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:48.35 | AStorm | would need Xen, and that patchset is *oldyc |
| 06:48.35 | KotCzarny | http://www.msss.com/msss_images/2008/01/31/ |
| 06:48.37 | KotCzarny | lol? |
| 06:48.40 | AStorm | *old* |
| 06:48.48 | AStorm | as in 2.6.18 |
| 06:48.49 | KotCzarny | astorm: just disable that vdso |
| 06:48.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:48.54 | AStorm | yep |
| 06:51.28 | AStorm | why oh why have I hit a cpu w/o svm... |
| 06:52.15 | acydlord | facepalms |
| 06:52.34 | acydlord | my portable hard drive kicked the can, and it had all my pgp and ciphers on it |
| 06:52.42 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 06:52.45 | AStorm | acydlord: you win! |
| 06:52.52 | AStorm | now you can start real life |
| 06:53.01 | KotCzarny | your goose is cooked! |
| 06:53.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:53.04 | AStorm | w/o paranoia :P |
| 06:53.07 | acydlord | nah, i issued new keys |
| 06:53.11 | pupnik | wow they have a big zoo there |
| 06:53.18 | acydlord | and emailed just about everyone that has my old key |
| 06:53.20 | pupnik | surprised linuxtag isn't held there |
| 06:53.30 | acydlord | unfortunately i cant revoke the lost keys |
| 06:53.48 | AStorm | acydlord: about everyone = 2 persons? |
| 06:54.02 | KotCzarny | don't forget to destroy the drive |
| 06:54.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:54.12 | AStorm | yeah, flatten it |
| 06:54.14 | acydlord | around 60 persons |
| 06:54.20 | AStorm | use the hammer |
| 06:54.21 | AStorm | etc. |
| 06:54.41 | acydlord | i have some thermite set aside for such occasions |
| 06:55.03 | AStorm | whee |
| 06:55.07 | AStorm | paranoia++ |
| 06:56.02 | acydlord | it's the only way to do it lol |
| 06:56.14 | KotCzarny | fire. |
| 06:56.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:56.22 | AStorm | I use a flash key |
| 06:56.30 | AStorm | easily destructible |
| 06:56.42 | AStorm | just use a boot |
| 06:56.50 | KotCzarny | i should encrypt my / |
| 06:56.59 | AStorm | KotCzarny: what for? |
| 06:57.05 | KotCzarny | just in case |
| 06:57.17 | KotCzarny | and for education |
| 06:57.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:57.21 | acydlord | encrypting your / will cause performance issues |
| 06:57.30 | AStorm | yup |
| 06:57.34 | KotCzarny | acydlord: it's already on cf |
| 06:57.37 | AStorm | on n, that is |
| 06:57.43 | KotCzarny | so what performance issues ? |
| 06:57.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:57.52 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you're mad or what? |
| 06:58.01 | AStorm | I'll just put the kernel there |
| 06:58.02 | KotCzarny | astorm: works for a few years already |
| 06:58.04 | acydlord | the proc will still lose cycles decrypting it |
| 06:58.11 | AStorm | and initramfs with tripwire |
| 06:58.13 | KotCzarny | acydlord: it's a laptop |
| 06:58.18 | KotCzarny | not much hdd work |
| 06:58.39 | KotCzarny | and it has enough mem to cache almost everything |
| 06:58.46 | AStorm | boot time will lose, but nothing more |
| 06:58.50 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 06:58.53 | KotCzarny | boot time? |
| 06:58.59 | KotCzarny | like, once per 3 months? |
| 06:59.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:59.07 | AStorm | hmm, any usb key with hardware write lock? |
| 06:59.10 | acydlord | poor laptop, thats how mine died |
| 06:59.22 | acydlord | my usb key has hardware lock |
| 06:59.33 | AStorm | mine is too cheap |
| 06:59.34 | KotCzarny | acydlord: this one will die from my typing patterns abuse than from uptime |
| 07:00.07 | AStorm | acydlord: heh, the first thing to die is the fan :P |
| 07:00.12 | acydlord | mine was up for about 9 months |
| 07:00.14 | KotCzarny | what fan? |
| 07:00.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:00.26 | KotCzarny | mine is quiet |
| 07:00.31 | acydlord | must not have an amd powered lappie |
| 07:00.32 | KotCzarny | and runs fan only when i run epsxe |
| 07:00.41 | KotCzarny | ibm x32 |
| 07:00.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:00.47 | KotCzarny | and earlier x30 |
| 07:00.53 | AStorm | KotCzarny: mine in hot weather |
| 07:01.04 | acydlord | mine was an ath32 |
| 07:01.18 | KotCzarny | x30 was so nice.. |
| 07:01.20 | acydlord | makes nuclear fission seem cool |
| 07:01.24 | KotCzarny | pity it was too abused by me |
| 07:01.46 | KotCzarny | it ran cpu at 37-45C |
| 07:01.50 | KotCzarny | without fan |
| 07:01.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:02.02 | acydlord | i think my next lappie is gonna be one of the lenovo ideabooks |
| 07:02.07 | acydlord | the y15 looks nice |
| 07:02.14 | KotCzarny | i don't trust lenovo engineers.. |
| 07:02.23 | acydlord | why not? |
| 07:02.26 | KotCzarny | and their designers suck.. |
| 07:02.40 | acydlord | the y15 kinda redeems them a little |
| 07:02.41 | KotCzarny | acydlords: their t60 had issues |
| 07:02.53 | nab | As long as it has SSD I would be happy.. :-) |
| 07:02.54 | KotCzarny | i know it was released in a hurry |
| 07:03.09 | acydlord | yeah, the t60 was just ported from the ibm machining process |
| 07:03.19 | KotCzarny | but still, you don't release flawed product :) |
| 07:03.23 | nab | remembers the SSD talks at the Linux Storage/Filesystem Workshop this year |
| 07:03.45 | KotCzarny | runs on cf for many years already |
| 07:03.47 | nab | Something on the order of 1/5 power consumption and 10000x performance |
| 07:03.50 | KotCzarny | no bad sectors yet |
| 07:03.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:03.58 | nab | Basically, a single drive can do 50K IOPS |
| 07:04.37 | KotCzarny | but real ssd is pricy.. |
| 07:04.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 07:04.54 | acydlord | indeed |
| 07:05.02 | nab | Accessing storage over Wifi/WiMax does not have to worry about exceeding the TCQ depth for the SSD drives |
| 07:05.12 | nab | KotCzarny: Sure, but you have alot of new players coming into the market |
| 07:05.17 | nab | eg: Intel |
| 07:05.20 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 07:05.43 | KotCzarny | i have read about new techs in flash |
| 07:05.51 | KotCzarny | still, few years to go |
| 07:05.54 | nab | So scaling the Linux kernel to meet 50,000 IOPs per say x12 drive arrays |
| 07:06.14 | nab | One of the big culprits is the fact that bdflush kernel thread is single threaded |
| 07:06.27 | KotCzarny | right now i'm happy with 2xCF to ide adapter |
| 07:06.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:06.30 | nab | (This was dicussed by one of the SGI fellows at the conference) |
| 07:06.42 | nab | But anyways, its a bit OT for #maemo |
| 07:06.43 | nab | :-) |
| 07:06.47 | KotCzarny | a bit |
| 07:06.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:07.01 | nab | So where it comes into play for OS2008 is the ability to access 900 GB mounts |
| 07:07.06 | acydlord | psh, never |
| 07:07.09 | nab | Heh |
| 07:07.11 | nab | Uhhhh |
| 07:07.16 | KotCzarny | well |
| 07:07.17 | AStorm | nab: btrfs will be a win on SSD too |
| 07:07.17 | KotCzarny | sshfs |
| 07:07.17 | nab | That is actually stable |
| 07:07.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:07.18 | AStorm | :) |
| 07:07.21 | acydlord | still have to use a semi-full distro for our dev enviroments |
| 07:07.34 | AStorm | lol |
| 07:07.37 | nab | It has been tested with a R/O MD RAID0 export over iSCSI |
| 07:07.43 | AStorm | sshfs/nfs/cifs |
| 07:07.52 | nab | https://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Core-iSCSI/Nokia_800 |
| 07:07.57 | AStorm | own |
| 07:08.05 | nab | and |
| 07:08.06 | nab | https://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 |
| 07:08.06 | nab | :-) |
| 07:08.10 | AStorm | what about nbd? |
| 07:08.17 | KotCzarny | unable to verify the identify of localhost.localdomain as a trusted site |
| 07:08.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:08.20 | nab | What about it..? |
| 07:08.22 | nab | Hehe |
| 07:08.23 | KotCzarny | *identity |
| 07:08.26 | AStorm | (for cheap people like me) |
| 07:08.27 | nab | <nod> |
| 07:08.40 | nab | I need to fix that. :P |
| 07:08.47 | nab | was a sysadmin before a devel |
| 07:08.51 | AStorm | yeah, buy a key? |
| 07:08.53 | nab | But anyways... |
| 07:09.08 | nab | Yes, you can access a 900 GB read-only mount across iSCSI on the N800 |
| 07:09.20 | nab | There are definately limitations with the Maemo file-manager, wrt to scanning the whole archive |
| 07:09.25 | KotCzarny | why read-only? |
| 07:09.37 | nab | Imagine if you had to do a fsck on that large of a device |
| 07:09.45 | AStorm | what abt. building a large file kernel? |
| 07:09.54 | AStorm | and usoing nbd? |
| 07:09.57 | AStorm | *using |
| 07:10.00 | nab | There is no reason why with smaller individual access with R/W its not stable for production |
| 07:10.01 | KotCzarny | btw. it's over wifi? |
| 07:10.09 | nab | KotCzarny: Yes |
| 07:10.11 | KotCzarny | sucks. |
| 07:10.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:10.20 | KotCzarny | then sshfs is a lot better |
| 07:10.23 | nab | Using the other filemanager works fine however |
| 07:10.23 | AStorm | over usb should work too |
| 07:10.34 | nab | Not to mention it totally works with cluster filesystems |
| 07:10.35 | nab | :-) |
| 07:10.36 | KotCzarny | wifi/usb is slow on n8x0 |
| 07:10.43 | AStorm | ya |
| 07:10.55 | AStorm | and no 10GbE inside :P |
| 07:11.05 | nab | eg: when you copy stuff from another node, it updates the dir/file listing in EMFMv2 |
| 07:11.08 | acydlord | my n810 has a tendency to eat files off my windows shares when i try to transfer |
| 07:11.16 | nab | acydlord: <nod> |
| 07:11.21 | nab | NAS kinda sucks over WAN or WIFI |
| 07:11.26 | AStorm | that's a kernel bug |
| 07:11.32 | AStorm | :P |
| 07:11.38 | AStorm | seen that on my laptop |
| 07:11.43 | nab | iSCSI can run over GPRS at 10 Kb/sec with R/W mounts (if they are sub 1 GB) |
| 07:11.52 | AStorm | anyway, cifs has horrible performance over wifi |
| 07:11.53 | acydlord | sucks when your connection drops in the middle of an xfer |
| 07:12.03 | KotCzarny | sshfs runs over anything that's tcp/ip |
| 07:12.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:12.19 | nab | AStorm: You can easily do 1 MB/sec on b/g if you have a decent access point |
| 07:12.23 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, including IPoAC |
| 07:12.31 | KotCzarny | ac? |
| 07:12.33 | acydlord | i should try to install freenet on my n810 when i'm feeling less lazy |
| 07:12.36 | nab | (from a mobile device with 400 Mhz ARM) |
| 07:12.41 | AStorm | nab: not with cifs |
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| 07:12.51 | nab | AStorm: I am talking about traditional iSCSI |
| 07:12.56 | AStorm | ya |
| 07:13.00 | AStorm | then maybe |
| 07:13.05 | nab | No, that is the case |
| 07:13.06 | nab | :-) |
| 07:13.14 | AStorm | but sharing my hdd with that is the overkill |
| 07:13.19 | AStorm | *the* |
| 07:13.23 | nab | Actually, the first IBM discussions for iSCSI where for the NAS vs. SAN numbers |
| 07:13.27 | AStorm | sshfs is fast enough |
| 07:13.33 | nab | Back in the mid-90s |
| 07:13.42 | AStorm | alternatively, nfs |
| 07:13.48 | nab | Sure. :-) |
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| 07:13.53 | KotCzarny | and safer |
| 07:13.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:13.59 | AStorm | yep |
| 07:14.05 | AStorm | and eats cpu more |
| 07:14.10 | AStorm | nfs doesn't |
| 07:14.14 | nab | But try running 900 GB/sec of NFS over WiMax using multiple communication paths and active-active connectionr recovery |
| 07:14.27 | AStorm | nab: can't - no WiMax |
| 07:14.28 | KotCzarny | wimax can do 900 gb ? |
| 07:14.34 | KotCzarny | gb/s |
| 07:14.35 | nab | Not to mention that NFS does not have a RFC defined naming convention.. |
| 07:14.36 | nab | :-) |
| 07:14.36 | AStorm | and it can't do that much |
| 07:14.44 | AStorm | it can go like 10 Mb/s |
| 07:14.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:14.49 | AStorm | at most |
| 07:14.53 | nab | KotCzarny: You can get 1 Gb/sec WiMax through towerstream |
| 07:14.55 | ranit | i have installed Qt4 on chinook, but uable to get qmake |
| 07:15.02 | AStorm | nab: if you're lucky |
| 07:15.04 | KotCzarny | nab: with any chipset? |
| 07:15.11 | KotCzarny | or you have to get a better one? |
| 07:15.12 | nab | And since we know the N800 works with a 900 GB MD RAID0 R/O export over Wifi |
| 07:15.19 | AStorm | and have 1024 channels around |
| 07:15.20 | nab | Yes, it would work over WiMax, probably faster. |
| 07:15.20 | nab | :-) |
| 07:15.27 | AStorm | naah |
| 07:15.29 | AStorm | slower |
| 07:15.34 | nab | Not for R/O |
| 07:15.34 | nab | :-) |
| 07:15.43 | AStorm | blah blah |
| 07:15.45 | nab | For 802.11 N it work be faster |
| 07:15.48 | nab | locally |
| 07:15.50 | AStorm | readonly = unusable |
| 07:15.54 | KotCzarny | still, anyone with a wimax experience in tablets? |
| 07:15.56 | nab | eg: You can do iSCSI/HD over 802.11N locally |
| 07:16.01 | KotCzarny | ie. n810wimax ? |
| 07:16.09 | nab | AStorm: <nod> |
| 07:16.10 | AStorm | KotCzarny: buy me one :P |
| 07:16.16 | nab | Well, not unsuable |
| 07:16.20 | AStorm | anyway, I have no N devices |
| 07:16.21 | AStorm | :P |
| 07:16.23 | nab | It just means you need multiple mounts for stuff |
| 07:16.24 | AStorm | or WiMax |
| 07:16.41 | nab | Having a *SINGLE* shared storage mount it where OCFS2/iSCSI comes into play. |
| 07:16.53 | nab | a/it/is |
| 07:17.04 | AStorm | nfs doesn't suck that badly anyway then |
| 07:17.12 | nab | Actually, ~50 ms/sec latencies are workable for something like that |
| 07:17.13 | AStorm | unless you get conflicts :P |
| 07:17.26 | KotCzarny | 50ms/sec ? |
| 07:17.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:17.29 | nab | For multi 100 GB storage object exports |
| 07:17.42 | nab | KotCzarny: WiMax network round trip latency |
| 07:17.49 | AStorm | nab: buy me such a disk |
| 07:17.50 | ranit | i have installed Qt4 on chinook, but not getting qmake |
| 07:17.51 | AStorm | :P |
| 07:18.02 | KotCzarny | nab: i just can't read the units |
| 07:18.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:18.04 | AStorm | ranit: qt4-dev |
| 07:18.11 | nab | :-) |
| 07:18.16 | AStorm | KotCzarny: dl/ul |
| 07:18.47 | KotCzarny | but it comes down to 50 * 0.001 *1/1 |
| 07:18.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:19.15 | ranit | unfortunatly was unable to install qt4-dev |
| 07:19.19 | nab | KotCzarny: Oh, there is definately work to be done. |
| 07:19.44 | nab | The OCFS2 and LIO folks already have discussions underway.. |
| 07:19.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:19.57 | ranit | it gave me the following err |
| 07:19.59 | nab | The shared storage bit is definately a long-term item (espically for WiMax type stuff) |
| 07:20.01 | ranit | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:20.02 | ranit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.02 | ranit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.08 | AStorm | omg |
| 07:20.09 | nab | But it does exist and works. |
| 07:20.15 | nab | And you can download it. :-) |
| 07:20.16 | KotCzarny | mysql for qt4? |
| 07:20.29 | AStorm | yes, "optional" |
| 07:20.33 | KotCzarny | now that's a nice dependency |
| 07:20.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:20.38 | AStorm | as everything in debian |
| 07:20.40 | AStorm | :P |
| 07:20.42 | nab | I am waiting for >= v2.6.24 support on OS2008.. |
| 07:20.49 | KotCzarny | nab: nab astorm |
| 07:20.50 | AStorm | nab: build one |
| 07:20.54 | KotCzarny | he is working on .25 |
| 07:20.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:21.02 | AStorm | haxing the cx |
| 07:21.13 | AStorm | got 2.6.25-omap1 to boot already |
| 07:21.16 | nab | So we can use Maemo/OpenMoko devices with Distributed Lock Manager (DLM) and OCFS2 v1.5.0 |
| 07:21.32 | nab | Great! |
| 07:21.32 | nab | :-) |
| 07:21.35 | AStorm | and have a ... you know what? |
| 07:21.48 | AStorm | who needs that! |
| 07:21.54 | doc|home | sexy party?</stewie> |
| 07:21.58 | AStorm | (with a tablet) |
| 07:22.05 | AStorm | doc|home: close :P |
| 07:22.11 | doc|home | damn :/ |
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| 07:22.25 | nab | I am still waiting to hear back from Quim for some devel hardware.. |
| 07:22.36 | KotCzarny | i would like a tuxonice support |
| 07:22.43 | KotCzarny | or at least swsusp |
| 07:22.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:22.46 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hard port |
| 07:22.50 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 07:22.51 | AStorm | swsusp should work |
| 07:22.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:22.59 | AStorm | unless wifi explodes |
| 07:23.10 | nab | The question for me is if the local WiMax provider here (Towersteam) is compat with the N810 Wimax Edition.. :-) |
| 07:23.11 | AStorm | then it'd need a module reload |
| 07:23.29 | nab | Or I have to jump on ebay and get a WiMax tower myself. ;P |
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| 07:23.39 | KotCzarny | astorm: not a problem, rc.goodmorning :) |
| 07:23.57 | AStorm | rc.stfu? ;) |
| 07:24.07 | KotCzarny | fan mod? |
| 07:24.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:24.20 | AStorm | I need something less crashy than matchbox for now |
| 07:24.33 | KotCzarny | go console |
| 07:24.38 | AStorm | or a non-crashy version of it |
| 07:24.50 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no Firefox/Minimo.... |
| 07:25.00 | AStorm | and touchscreen |
| 07:25.01 | KotCzarny | links -g ? |
| 07:25.10 | nab | Or when Xohm is coming to town in my area.. :P |
| 07:25.13 | AStorm | and fairly unusable keyboard layout |
| 07:25.17 | nab | Actually |
| 07:25.44 | AStorm | would need to write linux one |
| 07:25.47 | nab | considers getting a N810 in a soft-launch town in the US for LIO devel.. |
| 07:25.54 | AStorm | and bind keys too |
| 07:26.00 | nab | Xohm soft-launch town |
| 07:26.13 | AStorm | the trick is that fn doesn't work :P |
| 07:26.26 | jdiaz | re |
| 07:26.27 | nab | Doing remote devel cluster iSCSI for that device would be an interesting setup |
| 07:26.46 | AStorm | nab: did I mention it's overkill? |
| 07:26.53 | nab | AStorm: What is..? |
| 07:26.57 | jdiaz | What's your opinion about enabling virtual memory on external flash? |
| 07:27.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:27.23 | AStorm | jdiaz: good idea |
| 07:27.31 | tank-man | dangerous :) |
| 07:27.31 | nab | :-) |
| 07:27.35 | AStorm | unless you're planning on removing it |
| 07:28.01 | tank-man | internal memcard slot not good enough? |
| 07:28.12 | AStorm | tank-man: n810 has none |
| 07:28.12 | KotCzarny | doesn't matter |
| 07:28.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:28.17 | AStorm | :P |
| 07:28.37 | KotCzarny | unless you are doing critical work |
| 07:28.51 | AStorm | you can stack swap |
| 07:28.57 | AStorm | and mod umount script |
| 07:28.58 | jdiaz | I noticed that evince crashed on big pdfs (comic books), and also comix |
| 07:29.07 | nab | jdiaz: That reminds me |
| 07:29.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:29.08 | jdiaz | and these crashes dissappeared using swap |
| 07:29.11 | AStorm | jdiaz: with OOM I guess? |
| 07:29.15 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 07:29.16 | nab | On the 900 GB MD RAID test |
| 07:29.17 | jdiaz | OOM? |
| 07:29.23 | KotCzarny | oom-killer |
| 07:29.23 | AStorm | Out Of Memory |
| 07:29.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:29.34 | nab | One of the LIO devels (brd) has a few GB of photos |
| 07:29.40 | jdiaz | I did not see any message... in fact, as far as I remember, the tablet hung |
| 07:29.44 | jdiaz | and a reboot was required |
| 07:30.01 | nab | Doing the 100+ slideshows was stable using the R/O ext3 mounts |
| 07:30.03 | AStorm | ot didn't |
| 07:30.17 | AStorm | after you wait a longer while, it kills evince |
| 07:30.27 | AStorm | unless killer made a mistake |
| 07:30.31 | jdiaz | so I thought that leaving virtual memory enabled should be a good idea |
| 07:30.34 | nab | using a b/g AP to LIO-Target x86_64 Debian |
| 07:30.35 | AStorm | and killed X and watchdog |
| 07:30.41 | jdiaz | but the warning issued by maemo scared me |
| 07:30.49 | jdiaz | about shortening the life of the flash |
| 07:30.50 | AStorm | hmm? |
| 07:30.56 | AStorm | yes, it will |
| 07:31.05 | AStorm | but flash is replacable |
| 07:31.09 | KotCzarny | but not that much |
| 07:31.13 | KotCzarny | (shortening) |
| 07:31.17 | AStorm | esp. external |
| 07:31.28 | jdiaz | this is why I refered to externa, instead of internal |
| 07:31.32 | AStorm | we need real swap management anyway |
| 07:31.33 | jdiaz | I never remove my external card |
| 07:31.43 | KotCzarny | boots from external flash |
| 07:31.47 | jdiaz | for adding contents I use scp |
| 07:31.48 | KotCzarny | and has swap there too |
| 07:31.57 | jdiaz | it is more convenient than a card reader in the PC |
| 07:31.57 | AStorm | has to move system to internal one |
| 07:32.23 | KotCzarny | well, on n800 bothe cards are removable :) |
| 07:32.27 | AStorm | which fs is the q - I guess btrfs will win |
| 07:32.28 | KotCzarny | so it doesn't matter much |
| 07:32.34 | AStorm | ya |
| 07:32.41 | AStorm | 2G is a lot anyway |
| 07:32.46 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 07:32.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:32.56 | KotCzarny | if you ever ran maemo-mapper .. |
| 07:32.57 | AStorm | for system, sure |
| 07:32.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:33.01 | AStorm | Idid |
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| 07:33.09 | jdiaz | Recently I was asking here about my worries about the root filesystem being in flash, and the use of noatime |
| 07:33.12 | AStorm | took like500 mb of maps :P |
| 07:33.21 | AStorm | jdiaz: both fixable |
| 07:33.23 | jdiaz | as you can see, I'm a bit paranoid about flash life |
| 07:33.31 | KotCzarny | mine has ~1.5gb |
| 07:33.38 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: make an experiment |
| 07:33.48 | KotCzarny | keep all your critical files on internal flash |
| 07:33.51 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I scraped highest zoom levels |
| 07:33.55 | AStorm | they're pointless |
| 07:34.09 | pupnik_ | i haven't heard of anyone's internal flash crapping out |
| 07:34.13 | KotCzarny | and just run os on external |
| 07:34.18 | AStorm | pupnik_: neither have I |
| 07:34.20 | KotCzarny | pupnik: yet |
| 07:34.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:34.35 | AStorm | ok, need to format that flash |
| 07:34.40 | AStorm | (internal) |
| 07:34.45 | KotCzarny | but qwerty12 is working on it |
| 07:34.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:35.01 | jdiaz | btw, what is the proper naming for avoid confusion between the internal flash which holds the root filesytem and the internal flash in /media/mmc2? |
| 07:35.20 | jdiaz | KotCzarny, what should be the outcoming of this experiment? |
| 07:35.38 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: you can name it 256mb flash and 2gb flash |
| 07:35.47 | KotCzarny | and everyone will know which you refer to |
| 07:35.54 | AStorm | or flash and internal mmc |
| 07:36.04 | AStorm | :) |
| 07:36.10 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: that if you ever wear out sd card you don't loose anything important |
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| 07:36.14 | jdiaz | both are the same kind of memory, in fact, right? |
| 07:36.21 | AStorm | jdiaz: no |
| 07:36.21 | KotCzarny | internal mmc is flash too |
| 07:36.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:36.39 | AStorm | but internal mmc has automatic wear levelling |
| 07:36.53 | KotCzarny | better or worse |
| 07:36.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:36.56 | AStorm | while the flash depends on the fs to do that |
| 07:37.07 | KotCzarny | jffs2 is quite intelligent i think |
| 07:37.12 | AStorm | yes |
| 07:37.18 | jdiaz | now, when you are saying flash your are refering to the 256Mb? |
| 07:37.23 | KotCzarny | and with fs you can upgrade the algo |
| 07:37.25 | AStorm | jdiaz: yes |
| 07:37.25 | jdiaz | and internal mmc to the 2Gb? |
| 07:37.29 | AStorm | yes |
| 07:37.33 | jdiaz | ok |
| 07:37.44 | jdiaz | I find less confusing the sizes nomenclature :-) |
| 07:37.45 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not that it'll help |
| 07:38.06 | KotCzarny | btw. if you must capitalize units, do it properly |
| 07:38.08 | KotCzarny | MB |
| 07:38.08 | AStorm | wear levelling can't be improved :P |
| 07:38.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:38.13 | KotCzarny | Mb is mega bits |
| 07:38.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:38.32 | KotCzarny | astorm: you assume that the best algo is already in use :) |
| 07:38.34 | jdiaz | I should make a poll about the use of mmc1 and mmc2 |
| 07:38.37 | AStorm | anyway, btrfs in ssd mode is the way to go |
| 07:38.39 | acydlord | i'm currently dissasembling my portable drive lol |
| 07:38.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it is |
| 07:38.51 | jdiaz | in my case, I use mmc1 to store music and films whith I replace frequently |
| 07:38.53 | AStorm | there are write units and spare space |
| 07:38.56 | jdiaz | and almost never use mmc2 |
| 07:39.07 | AStorm | jdiaz: but the OS does :P |
| 07:39.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:39.19 | jdiaz | as for the 256Mb, only for storing configuration files and shell scripts |
| 07:39.27 | KotCzarny | pity there are no sd/flash activity leds |
| 07:39.33 | AStorm | heh |
| 07:39.37 | jdiaz | MyDocuments is almost empty |
| 07:39.39 | KotCzarny | or at least statusbar app :) |
| 07:39.40 | AStorm | oh, you could bind the led |
| 07:39.53 | AStorm | to the mmc driver |
| 07:39.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:40.03 | ranit | unable to install libqt4-dev in chinook |
| 07:40.04 | nab | AStorm: <nod> |
| 07:40.05 | AStorm | the led uses normal led interfaces |
| 07:40.07 | KotCzarny | but that would require some hacking |
| 07:40.12 | AStorm | not much |
| 07:40.17 | jdiaz | AStorm> jdiaz: but the OS does :P |
| 07:40.21 | jdiaz | how is that? |
| 07:40.25 | nab | But having the shared storage aspect is important.. |
| 07:40.29 | AStorm | jdiaz: maemo mapper, swap |
| 07:40.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:40.31 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: apt-get for example |
| 07:40.55 | AStorm | yes, that too |
| 07:41.08 | AStorm | ok, I've to clone my system, live :P |
| 07:41.09 | nab | I also heard rasterman talking about offline ops |
| 07:41.11 | jdiaz | so your advice is better to forget about flash life length and use both mmc as normal hard drives? |
| 07:41.29 | AStorm | jdiaz: let's put it diff. |
| 07:41.39 | nab | Which comes from some of the older FSes (eg: Coda), but has not been seen in the next/gen stuff |
| 07:41.55 | nab | at least not yet anyways |
| 07:42.03 | nab | That is actually the main bit with OCFS2 on Wifi |
| 07:42.13 | AStorm | not forget, but don't make it take your sleep away |
| 07:42.23 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 07:42.25 | AStorm | or wake you up in the night |
| 07:42.27 | nab | The node fencing the DLM logic does for extended Wifi failure |
| 07:42.29 | KotCzarny | has /var as tmpfs |
| 07:42.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:43.05 | nab | So the OCFS2 Metadata + DLM ensure that all nodes in the cluster see the write updates on remote nodes |
| 07:43.11 | jdiaz | I know nothing about filesystems, but guess that jffs2 is specially efficient for flash drivers, making its life longer |
| 07:43.20 | jdiaz | but what about a swap partition? |
| 07:43.28 | nab | And for production cases using OCFS2, you obvision want the host (usually VM) to fence itself and reboot. |
| 07:43.33 | jdiaz | shouldn't it be killer? |
| 07:43.40 | jdiaz | it does not use jffs2 |
| 07:43.44 | nab | (instead of writing what the logic thinks is the incorrect data) |
| 07:43.48 | jdiaz | and a lot of writes are expected |
| 07:43.50 | nab | Or due to node timeout, etc. |
| 07:44.21 | AStorm | jdiaz: for flash, yes |
| 07:44.30 | AStorm | but impossible to use on mmc |
| 07:44.46 | KotCzarny | why impossible? |
| 07:44.51 | nab | But its really a manner of tuning timeouts and a mobile/OCFS2 patch |
| 07:44.52 | nab | :-) |
| 07:44.54 | AStorm | at least hard |
| 07:44.58 | KotCzarny | why hard? |
| 07:45.00 | AStorm | and inefficient |
| 07:45.10 | KotCzarny | inefficient, yes, as all swaps |
| 07:45.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:45.13 | AStorm | (if you don't get direct access) |
| 07:45.15 | AStorm | not swap |
| 07:45.19 | AStorm | I meant jffs2 |
| 07:45.21 | ranit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.25 | AStorm | swap is another thing |
| 07:45.31 | AStorm | ranit: we've heard |
| 07:45.35 | AStorm | ask on ITT |
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| 07:45.50 | KotCzarny | or wait for nokia to switch to qt |
| 07:45.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:45.59 | AStorm | which won't happen |
| 07:46.15 | ranit | :) |
| 07:46.28 | KotCzarny | never say never |
| 07:46.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:46.34 | jaek | are there any replacement images i could use for my 770? what the most popular non-maemo os for the 770 is? |
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| 07:48.34 | ranit | AStorm: why it won't happen.... |
| 07:48.46 | pupnik_ | no alternative OS is popular jaek |
| 07:49.08 | jdiaz | it should be some way of asking the flash drivers how much writes has been done, and thus the expected remaining life for the memory |
| 07:49.22 | AStorm | jdiaz: hard |
| 07:49.25 | jaek | that is a shame |
| 07:49.32 | jdiaz | I'm obsessed, I know :-) |
| 07:49.35 | AStorm | very dependent on the write pattern |
| 07:49.50 | AStorm | and no one knows the write count really |
| 07:50.15 | jdiaz | battery is other of my concerns. I have to recharge it at least twice a day |
| 07:50.22 | AStorm | so what? |
| 07:50.30 | KotCzarny | and on wear-levelling algo |
| 07:50.32 | AStorm | li-poly dies with time, not cycles |
| 07:50.43 | KotCzarny | with temp too |
| 07:50.45 | jdiaz | really? |
| 07:50.51 | KotCzarny | during charging it gets warmer |
| 07:50.52 | AStorm | it dies with deep discharge and temperature |
| 07:51.08 | AStorm | but the temp isn't that high in n |
| 07:51.20 | jdiaz | so there is no problem on leaving the charger connected most of the time? |
| 07:51.38 | AStorm | no, except increased power bill |
| 07:51.45 | AStorm | chargers are inefficient |
| 07:52.04 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 07:52.09 | KotCzarny | trickle charging kills it too |
| 07:52.14 | AStorm | not |
| 07:52.16 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 07:52.28 | AStorm | it kills the ones not designed for it |
| 07:52.41 | AStorm | anyway, N doesn't trickle charge |
| 07:52.53 | KotCzarny | proof? |
| 07:53.02 | AStorm | your graph :) |
| 07:53.19 | KotCzarny | my graph was updated once per 60s |
| 07:53.28 | AStorm | fast enough |
| 07:53.37 | AStorm | you'd catch some trickle |
| 07:53.56 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 07:53.57 | jdiaz | how the trickle would show up in the graph? |
| 07:54.00 | KotCzarny | error margin is big |
| 07:54.13 | jdiaz | is fascinated with this conversation |
| 07:54.15 | KotCzarny | as reads are wacky and inaccurate |
| 07:54.23 | AStorm | heeh |
| 07:54.42 | AStorm | anyway, trickling doesn't reduce life if battery is designed for it |
| 07:55.00 | KotCzarny | you are assuming that battery is designed for it |
| 07:55.06 | AStorm | it is |
| 07:55.10 | KotCzarny | link? |
| 07:55.20 | jdiaz | did you ever exhausted the life of your battery? |
| 07:55.30 | AStorm | jdiaz: I did :P |
| 07:55.30 | RST38h | i did |
| 07:55.41 | jdiaz | how much time did it last? |
| 07:55.51 | KotCzarny | 6-12 months |
| 07:55.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:55.54 | RST38h | about a year and half |
| 07:55.58 | jdiaz | gasp |
| 07:56.04 | KotCzarny | but it was noname |
| 07:56.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:56.12 | AStorm | jdiaz: like, 12h |
| 07:56.19 | RST38h | not in a nokia phone though - these guy are tough |
| 07:56.21 | AStorm | if you mean a discharge |
| 07:56.26 | jdiaz | but according to what said above, battery life doesn't depend on usage patterns/habits, does it? |
| 07:56.36 | RST38h | it does |
| 07:56.37 | AStorm | but if death... yes, 2y |
| 07:56.40 | jdiaz | oh, I was talking about the battery of the NIT |
| 07:56.41 | AStorm | in the phone |
| 07:56.56 | AStorm | BP-5L though |
| 07:57.03 | AStorm | 2,5y to be exact |
| 07:57.14 | RST38h | jdiaz nit is essentially a phone but the batt usage pattern is more active |
| 07:57.15 | KotCzarny | astorm: n810 uses bp-4something |
| 07:57.15 | AStorm | lost about half of capacity |
| 07:57.21 | KotCzarny | n800 uses bp-5l |
| 07:57.23 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, the new one |
| 07:57.40 | KotCzarny | but they are interchangeable |
| 07:57.41 | AStorm | bp-4l is only used in a few phones yet |
| 07:58.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not due to size and charging |
| 07:58.04 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 07:58.12 | KotCzarny | that's bad |
| 07:58.12 | AStorm | bp-5l is li-ion |
| 07:58.20 | AStorm | bp-4l is li-poly |
| 07:58.26 | RST38h | nits use li based batteries which means "never let it completely discharge" |
| 07:58.34 | AStorm | ya |
| 07:58.47 | AStorm | I almost managed to do that by accident |
| 07:58.56 | acydlord | well i found out whats wrong with my portable drive |
| 07:59.03 | acydlord | the heads are broke |
| 07:59.13 | AStorm | acydlord: which means byebye |
| 07:59.23 | RST38h | did you have to open it to find out?;) |
| 07:59.42 | jdiaz | I've found my NIT turned off in the morning. This occured to me several times, but I assume that the OS switch the unit off before the battery is completely discharged |
| 08:00.15 | RST38h | jdiaz: are you using scrolled rss applet? |
| 08:00.21 | AStorm | jdiaz: yes |
| 08:00.25 | jdiaz | I do not know what causes the discharge. It is full when I go to bed |
| 08:00.30 | jdiaz | RST38h, no |
| 08:00.34 | KotCzarny | found drained battery yesterday |
| 08:00.40 | KotCzarny | and it was full 2 days before |
| 08:00.40 | AStorm | RST38h: btw, is there a real, working rss client? |
| 08:00.45 | RST38h | then it must be the media scanner |
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| 08:00.59 | AStorm | and is OMWeather fixed now wrt weather.com code changes? |
| 08:00.59 | jdiaz | I turned off (i.e. renamed) media scanner |
| 08:00.59 | KotCzarny | i didn't run anything other than ftd in the mean time |
| 08:01.01 | RST38h | astorm: yep. google reader mobile! |
| 08:01.10 | AStorm | RST38h: lol, needs network |
| 08:01.23 | AStorm | but then... loading rss needs too |
| 08:01.27 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:01.29 | RST38h | astorm: and if you are fancy you can even tell it to run in iphone mode |
| 08:01.29 | jdiaz | It happens to me when I listen some music while getting asleep |
| 08:01.51 | RST38h | astorm: google gears ported to nit already |
| 08:02.03 | AStorm | jdiaz: yes, it will leave a bit of power in |
| 08:02.07 | RST38h | jdiaz: you answred your question |
| 08:02.25 | AStorm | so that it can boot up |
| 08:02.27 | jdiaz | I did not found any "sleep" function in most of media players, so I did a script which sleeps for a time, and then "killall mplayer". I use mplayer for playing |
| 08:02.44 | AStorm | jdiaz: good idea for a canola plugin |
| 08:02.47 | AStorm | :) |
| 08:02.58 | RST38h | astorm: seriously google mobile sites solve most of my net problems on nit |
| 08:03.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:03.14 | AStorm | RST38h: same, except for google docs |
| 08:03.17 | jdiaz | the script works ok, so mplayer should not be the problem either |
| 08:03.23 | AStorm | need real working abiword |
| 08:03.25 | RST38h | docs mobile works |
| 08:03.30 | jdiaz | it gets killed after 20 min of playing |
| 08:03.34 | RST38h | use iphone config |
| 08:03.41 | AStorm | RST38h: naah, I mean, these work |
| 08:03.52 | RST38h | yea, what about abiword? how long? |
| 08:03.53 | AStorm | but aren't good enough at reading doc |
| 08:03.59 | AStorm | RST38h: dunno |
| 08:04.22 | jdiaz | probably it is an issue of accidental pressure on the touchscreen |
| 08:04.39 | RST38h | jdiaz: install autolock |
| 08:04.52 | RST38h | it lock nit when light goes out |
| 08:04.52 | jdiaz | I have it installed, but I'm not happy with it |
| 08:04.56 | AStorm | RST38h: uhm, isn't it already there? |
| 08:05.11 | KotCzarny | and make wifi disconnecting after 1h idle |
| 08:05.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:05.13 | jdiaz | its behaviour is still not predictable to me, after a lot of experimentation |
| 08:05.14 | RST38h | the only problem - it is not configurable |
| 08:05.30 | RST38h | astorm: nope - check |
| 08:05.51 | jdiaz | if I slide the lock key, then autolock chaos is assured |
| 08:05.56 | RST38h | shit, this line is long :( |
| 08:06.29 | RST38h | should have bought subway pass BEFORE holidays |
| 08:06.36 | AStorm | ok, time to format /media/mmc1 to btrfs |
| 08:06.41 | AStorm | :) |
| 08:06.45 | RST38h | urgh.. |
| 08:06.49 | jdiaz | I like the autolock idea very much, but its interaction with the lock key seems broken |
| 08:06.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:07.01 | AStorm | RST38h: you have wifi there? win!a |
| 08:07.12 | RST38h | shastorm: gprs |
| 08:07.16 | AStorm | or is it 3g? |
| 08:07.21 | AStorm | ah |
| 08:07.25 | RST38h | no, plain gprs |
| 08:07.27 | AStorm | expensive? |
| 08:07.33 | RST38h | still waiting for 3g |
| 08:07.52 | RST38h | cheap, i clock at around 300-500rur a month |
| 08:08.12 | RST38h | i.e. less than 20 bucks |
| 08:08.22 | jdiaz | I think the problem is that the "locked status" is a software flag, not a hardware switch |
| 08:08.36 | RST38h | of course it is |
| 08:08.40 | jdiaz | and we arrive to the same status by sliding the lock key or by doing it by software |
| 08:08.40 | AStorm | brb |
| 08:08.52 | RST38h | but there shoukd be a single way to toggle it |
| 08:09.14 | KotCzarny | maybe there is |
| 08:09.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:09.34 | jdiaz | so autolock can't differentiate if we are in locked status because the user slided the lock key, or because it was dark |
| 08:09.38 | KotCzarny | actually ftd allows you to suspend-to-ram |
| 08:10.22 | jdiaz | for example, assume the following scenario |
| 08:10.41 | jdiaz | I have the unit unlocked. Suddenly, it is pitch dark |
| 08:10.44 | jdiaz | autolock locks |
| 08:10.49 | jdiaz | then I slide the lock key |
| 08:11.12 | KotCzarny | in nokia's pressing powerbutton turns on backlight |
| 08:11.14 | jdiaz | the unit is already locked, so nothing happens. But autlock detect the key and disables itself |
| 08:11.42 | KotCzarny | usefull to check the hour without unlocking |
| 08:11.49 | RST38h | you should use flashlight to turn nit on! |
| 08:11.57 | jdiaz | wait.. I'm lost |
| 08:12.06 | KotCzarny | rst38h: only n810 |
| 08:12.06 | jdiaz | I have to think better about the scenario |
| 08:12.14 | KotCzarny | n800 doesn't have light sensor |
| 08:12.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:12.36 | jdiaz | but there is an scenario in which all fails :-) |
| 08:13.16 | jdiaz | I mean, autolock is disabled while the tablet is unlocked, and it is enabled while the tablet is locked |
| 08:13.43 | jdiaz | the latter is problematic, because, even if the user has locked the tablet manually, autolock will disable it when it detect light |
| 08:13.51 | jdiaz | (will unlock) |
| 08:14.25 | RST38h | oh |
| 08:16.55 | sxpert | jdiaz, there's a similar misfeature on my N70... when the camera lid opens, the keyboard gets unlocked, and the phone is free to do whatever stupid thing the self-pressing keys in the pocket happen to be doing |
| 08:17.15 | sxpert | such as calling people in my address book |
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| 08:18.03 | KotCzarny | and sending them photos? |
| 08:18.04 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 08:20.02 | sxpert | KotCzarny, possiblyu |
| 08:20.20 | jdiaz | I've read about AGPS support in diablo.. How can it be possible? |
| 08:20.40 | KotCzarny | because it's like winmodem |
| 08:20.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:20.58 | sxpert | I'd like the gps driver to store the last known almanach and feed it to the gps device... would make more sense |
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| 08:21.39 | jdiaz | so not to be expected better fix times? |
| 08:21.56 | sxpert | and kismet to run properly on the n810 ;) |
| 08:22.01 | nab | :-) |
| 08:22.16 | nab | So what was the URL for the v2.6.25 patches for the N800..? |
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| 08:26.51 | RST38h | back |
| 08:35.19 | RST38h | kismet would be nice |
| 08:35.50 | acydlord | i miss kismet |
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| 08:36.45 | AStorm | omg |
| 08:36.55 | AStorm | Btrfs sure does eat a lot of cpu on mkfs |
| 08:37.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:37.22 | AStorm | prob. calculating csums |
| 08:37.23 | RST38h | serial tablet rapist |
| 08:37.52 | RST38h | I guess this should be an official title given by public vote |
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| 08:38.43 | AStorm | to whom? |
| 08:39.13 | RST38h | well, they should know ;) |
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| 08:40.38 | AStorm | "I didn't rape her, she wanted it... and said she was 18" |
| 08:40.39 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:40.45 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 08:40.52 | KotCzarny | i have read: she was 18" |
| 08:40.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:41.07 | RST38h | most nits are younger than that |
| 08:41.08 | KotCzarny | midget r4p3 ? |
| 08:41.29 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you perv :P |
| 08:42.35 | AStorm | ehh.. this btrfs doesn't look like finishing |
| 08:42.59 | KotCzarny | broken? |
| 08:43.02 | RST38h | reminds me of a joke about midgets at a reception in vatican |
| 08:43.20 | derf | In the Mütter Museum in Philadelphia, there is a skeleton of a man who had giganticism, next to the skeleton of the dwarf prostitute he impregnated, who died giving birth to his child. |
| 08:43.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:43.38 | KotCzarny | link? |
| 08:43.42 | AStorm | KotCzarny: seems so |
| 08:43.52 | nab | AStorm: Greetings |
| 08:43.54 | AStorm | need a non-broken one |
| 08:43.54 | derf | Link? Visit Philadelphia. |
| 08:43.57 | RST38h | ah, those pensylvanians... |
| 08:43.58 | AStorm | care to help? |
| 08:44.07 | nab | Where where you keeping your patches at..? |
| 08:44.17 | KotCzarny | nicotine patches |
| 08:44.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:44.24 | KotCzarny | hide them! |
| 08:44.47 | nab | ugh, s/where/were even |
| 08:44.49 | nab | :-) |
| 08:44.55 | AStorm | nab: my minor patch? right now, on my hdd |
| 08:44.55 | nab | (its late where on the west coast |
| 08:44.55 | nab | :-) |
| 08:45.12 | nab | AStorm: Are you commiting to a git tree..? |
| 08:45.29 | AStorm | yes, but not the public omap one yes |
| 08:45.38 | AStorm | have to send the patch to ML |
| 08:45.51 | nab | Can you CC me a copy..? |
| 08:46.08 | AStorm | KotCzarny: could you build testing btrfs-tools for me? |
| 08:46.16 | KotCzarny | hrm? |
| 08:46.17 | AStorm | or was it btrfs-utils |
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| 08:46.50 | KotCzarny | you have sdk working, haven't you? |
| 08:46.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:47.18 | nab | Has the btrfs-utils package been debianized..? |
| 08:47.19 | AStorm | not yet, soon |
| 08:47.25 | AStorm | nab: dunno |
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| 08:48.21 | nab | notes that the userspace stuff for OCFS2 has debian/ |
| 08:48.35 | derf | Actually, they apparently have a much better website than the last time I looked: http://www.collphyphil.org/mutter.asp |
| 08:48.48 | derf | As in, it exists. |
| 08:48.52 | nab | I never did try getting ocfs2console (the gtk UI) up on maemo |
| 08:49.24 | AStorm | KotCzarny: http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 08:49.29 | nab | Which is actually pretty useful as it copies /etc/ocfs2/cluster.conf to all of the nodes for a configuration change. |
| 08:49.30 | AStorm | grab the git version |
| 08:50.14 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 08:50.26 | KotCzarny | TCP connection to 'packages.debian.org' failed: Operation now in progress. |
| 08:50.37 | AStorm | no, not the debian v. |
| 08:50.41 | AStorm | it's oooold |
| 08:50.57 | KotCzarny | but easier to get/build, probably |
| 08:51.08 | AStorm | heh |
| 08:51.08 | KotCzarny | i don't remember git syntax |
| 08:51.12 | RST38h | sorry to ask but why would you want to use btrfs on flash? |
| 08:51.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:51.15 | AStorm | but impossible to get working |
| 08:51.22 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not git, hg |
| 08:51.25 | AStorm | mercurial |
| 08:51.29 | KotCzarny | even worse |
| 08:51.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:51.41 | KotCzarny | because then i don't have utils to get it |
| 08:51.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:52.02 | AStorm | install them |
| 08:52.08 | RST38h | the filesystem being very beta and all |
| 08:52.08 | AStorm | only require python |
| 08:52.10 | KotCzarny | i'm sleepy |
| 08:52.13 | AStorm | RST38h: yes |
| 08:52.28 | AStorm | alpha even |
| 08:52.40 | AStorm | but it's much faster on all flash |
| 08:52.43 | RST38h | but why? |
| 08:52.47 | AStorm | with specific tunings |
| 08:52.51 | rm_you | ok so, since i've been gone for like two+ months... what's the coolest new thing available? :P |
| 08:53.05 | KotCzarny | rm_you: numpty physics |
| 08:53.09 | AStorm | rm_you: n810 wimax |
| 08:53.11 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:53.14 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:53.19 | rm_you | KotCzarny: neat :P |
| 08:53.25 | rm_you | AStorm: pfft |
| 08:53.35 | RST38h | ah |
| 08:53.53 | rm_you | so... numpty physics. what can we do with that? :P |
| 08:54.00 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 08:54.01 | KotCzarny | of course |
| 08:54.11 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:54.12 | KotCzarny | and brain stimulation |
| 08:54.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:54.15 | rm_you | :P |
| 08:54.22 | RST38h | isnt data transfer time prevails over file search time on flash? |
| 08:54.29 | AStorm | s/stimulation/explosion/ |
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| 08:54.43 | RST38h | especially if you cache metadata in ram? |
| 08:54.46 | AStorm | RST38h: not exactly, esp. when writing |
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| 08:54.52 | RST38h | oh |
| 08:55.20 | AStorm | you need to optimize, so that only one erase block is touched |
| 08:55.31 | AStorm | or as little of them as possible |
| 08:55.49 | KotCzarny | just mount /var as tmpfs |
| 08:55.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:55.56 | AStorm | ... |
| 08:56.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:56.00 | RST38h | and the sd controller on the cad also does wearout management? |
| 08:56.11 | AStorm | RST38h: it does |
| 08:56.20 | AStorm | that's why the optimization is neede |
| 08:56.22 | AStorm | d |
| 08:56.51 | AStorm | otherwise the fs could be wear-levelled directly |
| 08:57.10 | AStorm | and there would be no problem (or much less) with erase blocks |
| 08:57.20 | AStorm | ext* rape the first erase block |
| 08:58.07 | AStorm | also, copy-on-write semantics fit flash well |
| 08:58.14 | AStorm | reducing wear |
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| 09:03.19 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 09:03.58 | AStorm | KotCzarny: build it, now!!!11 |
| 09:04.10 | nab | We need to get some of the oftc.net #linuxfs folks for that question |
| 09:04.12 | nab | :-) |
| 09:04.13 | KotCzarny | but i don't even have the sources |
| 09:04.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:04.21 | AStorm | KotCzarny: so get them |
| 09:04.21 | nab | Or linux-mm folks |
| 09:04.26 | KotCzarny | how? |
| 09:04.32 | AStorm | you can grab a tarball of current state |
| 09:04.37 | AStorm | from hgweb |
| 09:04.37 | nab | :-) |
| 09:04.46 | KotCzarny | you want me to do the work, provide me with a link |
| 09:05.05 | nab | service start maemo-link-bot |
| 09:05.26 | AStorm | KotCzarny: http://www.kernel.org/hg/index.cgi/btrfs/progs-unstable/archive/tip.tar.bz2 |
| 09:05.27 | nab | Starting Maemo-Link_Bot.. [ OK } |
| 09:05.29 | nab | :P |
| 09:05.47 | AStorm | nab: what's that? |
| 09:06.14 | nab | AStorm: I think its one of those IRC cut/paste web services |
| 09:06.15 | nab | :-) |
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| 09:06.25 | nab | Web v3.0 |
| 09:06.31 | nab | Or whatever Cisco calls it |
| 09:06.32 | nab | :-) |
| 09:06.33 | AStorm | Web xxx? |
| 09:06.35 | AStorm | :P |
| 09:06.36 | nab | hehehe |
| 09:06.39 | nab | is just kidding |
| 09:06.55 | inz | AStorm, wasn't my build good 'nuff? |
| 09:07.05 | AStorm | inz: hanged |
| 09:07.09 | AStorm | :P |
| 09:07.11 | inz | oh |
| 09:07.24 | inz | It's not my fault |
| 09:07.27 | AStorm | yep |
| 09:07.29 | inz | I just compiled it |
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| 09:07.37 | AStorm | and it prob. isn't btrfs unstable |
| 09:07.45 | nab | AStorm: <nod> |
| 09:07.53 | nab | Its moving devel very quickly |
| 09:07.56 | KotCzarny | astorm: you don't care about -Werror, do you? |
| 09:07.57 | nab | So metadata is changing, etc. |
| 09:08.05 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I don't |
| 09:08.11 | AStorm | as long as it works |
| 09:08.14 | nab | But from my experience Oracle folks are pretty good for backwards compat |
| 09:08.17 | inz | AStorm, I can build you a new deb of the userspace tools, if you want |
| 09:08.21 | KotCzarny | extent-tree.c:2357: warning: 'bit' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 09:08.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:08.23 | nab | Espically if their customers starting using it in production. |
| 09:08.36 | AStorm | KotCzarny: but pastebin the log if possible |
| 09:08.42 | KotCzarny | what has uuid/uuid.h ? |
| 09:08.48 | KotCzarny | e2fsprogs? |
| 09:08.52 | AStorm | yes |
| 09:08.55 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 09:08.56 | AStorm | or ss |
| 09:08.57 | nab | eg: I can mkfs.ocfs2 on OS2008 for max-comapt for the particular struct block_device |
| 09:09.11 | nab | Or for performance with newer versions |
| 09:09.34 | AStorm | ok, bbiaw |
| 09:10.08 | AStorm | bath is one place where n810 can't go |
| 09:10.08 | nab | http://iou.parisc-linux.org/lsf2008/ |
| 09:10.12 | AStorm | not waterproof |
| 09:10.20 | nab | For any Maemo folks interested in LSF topics |
| 09:10.21 | nab | :-) |
| 09:10.32 | KotCzarny | astorm: plastic bag |
| 09:10.45 | KotCzarny | double if you are afraid |
| 09:10.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny: and use keboard with it? lol |
| 09:10.51 | AStorm | * |
| 09:10.57 | AStorm | *keyboard |
| 09:11.01 | RST38h | touch screen ! |
| 09:11.09 | AStorm | RST38h: even worse |
| 09:11.39 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:11.41 | KotCzarny | again |
| 09:11.48 | KotCzarny | which package has uuid.h ? |
| 09:11.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:11.52 | AStorm | KotCzarny: libss |
| 09:12.00 | AStorm | AKA ss |
| 09:12.04 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search libss |
| 09:12.04 | KotCzarny | libss2 - command-line interface parsing library |
| 09:12.11 | AStorm | or e2fsproge-dev |
| 09:12.28 | inz | uuid-dev |
| 09:12.34 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 09:12.45 | KotCzarny | but not found |
| 09:12.53 | KotCzarny | (in default repos) |
| 09:13.10 | AStorm | oh, uuid-dev, lol@debian |
| 09:14.00 | KotCzarny | you don't mind package from debian.org? |
| 09:14.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:14.28 | KotCzarny | hmm. packages.debian.org seems dead |
| 09:14.29 | inz | AStorm, the mcr head makes gcc go booboo |
| 09:15.34 | nab | Does Quim Gil ever hang out in #maemo..? |
| 09:15.40 | KotCzarny | sometimes |
| 09:15.41 | nab | pings Quim |
| 09:15.44 | inz | nab, rarely nowadays |
| 09:15.52 | nab | inz: Thanks |
| 09:16.12 | nab | I just updated him on the LIO project status via email |
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| 09:16.49 | nab | So both Maemo/iSCSI and OpenMoko/iSCSI have the same short-term goals |
| 09:16.55 | inz | AStorm, http://pastebin.com/d242d27b0 |
| 09:17.26 | nab | 1) Provide an LIO-Target on Linux/Mac/Win on VMware/KVM/Qemu for export of locally acttached physical and virtual storage |
| 09:17.49 | nab | 2) Begin to scale the maemo intrastructure to accessing volumes of 100 GBs |
| 09:17.52 | AStorm | inz: what's the compiler? |
| 09:18.17 | nab | For both cluster and non-shared storage FSes... |
| 09:18.29 | nab | 1) Is done |
| 09:18.32 | lardman | Any Navit devs on here? |
| 09:18.35 | inz | AStorm, CodeSorcery "raped" gcc 3.4.4 |
| 09:18.47 | nab | For #2, there is some userspace work still to be done |
| 09:18.47 | inz | AStorm, i.e. the default (and only) compiler for maemo |
| 09:19.00 | AStorm | inz: wrong |
| 09:19.06 | nab | And LIO-devs need WiMax devel hardware for the multi-city shared storage clusters. |
| 09:19.16 | nab | :-) |
| 09:19.22 | AStorm | inz: any arm compiler will do |
| 09:19.29 | AStorm | *armel |
| 09:19.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:19.45 | KotCzarny | has 4.something as a target too |
| 09:19.46 | AStorm | actually, i686-none-linux-gnueabi |
| 09:19.58 | lardman | doesn't OE build a compiler? |
| 09:20.05 | lardman | to add another one to the list |
| 09:20.20 | AStorm | I built a cross one |
| 09:20.31 | AStorm | and have one here too |
| 09:20.42 | AStorm | could build that small a package here on n |
| 09:21.03 | KotCzarny | unlikely without uuid |
| 09:21.11 | AStorm | gimme :P |
| 09:21.25 | KotCzarny | and e2fsprogs has crazy deps |
| 09:21.28 | KotCzarny | (as usual) |
| 09:21.32 | nab | KotCzarny: Heh |
| 09:21.34 | nab | nods |
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| 09:21.51 | KotCzarny | like texi2html |
| 09:21.53 | nab | Large configuration space userspace tool |
| 09:21.54 | nab | :-) |
| 09:22.25 | nab | Which has to run on mmuless SuperH |
| 09:22.36 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I sense mad debian packaging |
| 09:23.11 | KotCzarny | tries cheating |
| 09:23.21 | nab | Or on the arch/powerpc/cell/ or or arch/s390 |
| 09:23.22 | nab | :-) |
| 09:23.45 | nab | But anyways |
| 09:23.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, you need libuuid |
| 09:24.00 | nab | AStorm: So you are doing your v2.6.25 patches with the CS ARM toolkit..? |
| 09:24.02 | KotCzarny | i have copied uuid.h from e2fsprogs source |
| 09:24.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:24.16 | KotCzarny | volumes.c:1211: internal compiler error: in reload_cse_simplify_operands, at postreload.c:391 |
| 09:24.17 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 09:24.30 | KotCzarny | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 09:24.30 | KotCzarny | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 09:24.30 | KotCzarny | Send email to arm-gnu@codesourcery.com for instructions. |
| 09:24.34 | KotCzarny | double lol |
| 09:24.53 | nab | notes that kernel modules generally need the same minor version (if not the EXACT) for kernels vs. modules |
| 09:24.55 | johnx | what are you trying to compile? |
| 09:25.05 | KotCzarny | let's try with gcc 4.x |
| 09:25.09 | nab | As this is code that gets loaded into a live kernel memory map. |
| 09:25.19 | KotCzarny | nab: while compiling? |
| 09:25.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:25.31 | nab | And is expected to operate as such with the other live code. |
| 09:25.36 | johnx | kernel modules? which ones? |
| 09:25.41 | nab | ESPICALLY for the embedded stuff |
| 09:25.45 | KotCzarny | johnx: btrfs |
| 09:25.49 | nab | eg: non x86 |
| 09:25.50 | inz | AStorm, http://inz.fi/btrfs-progs_0.14+mcr20080512-0inz1_armel.deb |
| 09:26.05 | AStorm | inz: :) |
| 09:26.10 | AStorm | let's see |
| 09:26.17 | AStorm | got a fitting module? |
| 09:26.25 | inz | What, you want those too |
| 09:26.37 | AStorm | could build one myself though |
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| 09:27.07 | inz | I replaced a couple of *offset = 0 with memset(offset, 0, sizeof(*offset)) and it compiled |
| 09:27.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:27.31 | AStorm | good |
| 09:27.36 | KotCzarny | pointer code magicians should be shot |
| 09:27.37 | AStorm | should be the same |
| 09:28.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:28.03 | nab | Awwww |
| 09:28.10 | nab | What about function pointer magicians..? |
| 09:28.11 | nab | :-) |
| 09:28.20 | nab | Or CPP madmen |
| 09:28.21 | nab | :-) |
| 09:28.21 | inz | AStorm, yeah, they should be, but apparently the gcc has some problems with 64 bit integers |
| 09:28.25 | KotCzarny | nab: subset of above |
| 09:28.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:28.45 | nab | At least its portable (to another linux-gcc platform) |
| 09:28.46 | nab | :-) |
| 09:28.55 | KotCzarny | or is it? |
| 09:28.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:28.59 | nab | Well |
| 09:29.03 | nab | With a little more CPP glue |
| 09:29.04 | nab | Sure |
| 09:29.08 | nab | Anything is portable |
| 09:29.14 | nab | :-) |
| 09:29.17 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 09:29.29 | KotCzarny | how about eniac? |
| 09:29.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:29.45 | nab | Well, better than a bunch of non-inlined functions with 8 parameters |
| 09:29.59 | AStorm | seems to have hanged at the same place |
| 09:30.05 | AStorm | according to strace |
| 09:30.13 | nab | will not start talking about shared memory interconnect APIs |
| 09:30.46 | AStorm | or it's writing |
| 09:30.52 | AStorm | how can I see it is? |
| 09:31.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:31.11 | nab | Although, making IP based shared memory run over Maemo is a long-term project |
| 09:31.11 | nab | :-) |
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| 09:31.19 | KotCzarny | astorm: wanna hack the mmc module? |
| 09:31.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:31.28 | inz | AStorm, do you remember what was the problematic symbol last time? |
| 09:31.29 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not yet |
| 09:31.35 | nab | Or rather, Direct Data Placement of incoming RX packets into application buffers using the iWARP protocol suite. |
| 09:31.43 | KotCzarny | nab: swap-over-nfs, good times |
| 09:31.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:31.48 | nab | runs |
| 09:31.54 | AStorm | inz: yes, hanged after 5th pread after open /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 09:32.15 | AStorm | s/5th/6th/ |
| 09:32.20 | nab | The extra layers for file vs. block is most apparent on the client side |
| 09:32.33 | AStorm | bbiaw |
| 09:32.39 | nab | extra layer overhead that is.. |
| 09:33.01 | KotCzarny | actually it's simple to trick kernel into enabling swap using loop :) |
| 09:33.12 | KotCzarny | over any possible medium |
| 09:33.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:33.21 | nab | The general rule is that a iSCSI export will scale 2x on the target side compared to initiator using identical hardware |
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| 09:34.10 | nab | Not to mention that you want to use flags for swap block over network I/O to ensure that userspace network I/O will fail before swap over network does. |
| 09:34.22 | nab | s/flags/socket flags |
| 09:34.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:34.43 | nab | Or some other magic if you are poking struct sk_buff from struct net_device directly |
| 09:34.44 | nab | :-) |
| 09:34.52 | KotCzarny | just buy more memory |
| 09:34.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:35.04 | nab | On the RX side datapath for traditional (RFC-3720) iSCSI |
| 09:35.26 | nab | On the TX side sendpage() for struct page from struct scatterlist is used. |
| 09:36.09 | KotCzarny | anyway |
| 09:36.13 | KotCzarny | it's late |
| 09:36.16 | KotCzarny | night folks |
| 09:36.16 | inz | AStorm, did you build yourself an updated kernel module? |
| 09:36.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:36.47 | nab | waves |
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| 10:13.13 | AStorm | inz: not yet |
| 10:13.40 | AStorm | bbl |
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| 10:29.25 | _berto_ | solmumaha: I can't write you private msgs |
| 10:29.26 | _berto_ | :) |
| 10:29.42 | _berto_ | I have to register my nick |
| 10:29.45 | _berto_ | wait ... |
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| 10:36.11 | lardman | So what's the deal with this leaked Diablo image then? |
| 10:36.32 | johnx | it's a leaked diablo pre-release |
| 10:36.35 | lardman | goes away for the weekend and misses everything! ;) |
| 10:36.44 | johnx | I almost missed it too |
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| 10:36.45 | lardman | which has been pulled now? |
| 10:36.51 | johnx | I guess Nokia password protected the repo today |
| 10:37.04 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 10:37.17 | lardman | I saw some mention of AGPS functionality in the release :) |
| 10:37.37 | johnx | the stuff is in place for it, but that will come in a post-diablo "SSU" |
| 10:37.46 | lardman | SSU? |
| 10:37.59 | johnx | "seamless software upgrade" aka update .deb |
| 10:38.04 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 10:38.29 | johnx | just trying out Nokia marketing's new acronyms |
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| 10:38.54 | lardman | I saw a log with some component complaing about not being able to access a SUPL server; I was just wondering if we'd be able to provide our own... |
| 10:39.41 | johnx | doesn't even know what SUPL is... |
| 10:40.45 | lardman | Secure UserPlane Location |
| 10:41.23 | johnx | so basically providing our own AGPS data? |
| 10:41.31 | lardman | yep |
| 10:41.33 | johnx | maybe? |
| 10:41.43 | lardman | Otherwise I suppose it will have to come from an attached mobile phone |
| 10:43.59 | lardman | then again, it may be quite hard to supply our own data any other way |
| 10:44.56 | johnx | most important diablo upgrade: modest just works |
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| 10:50.47 | gnuton | hi |
| 10:50.57 | johnx | hello |
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| 11:05.11 | gpd | My bluetooth GPS keeps dropping the connection on OS2008 on N800 - can't find bug reports - anyone know if this is a know problem - it was fine under OS2007 Bora. |
| 11:07.10 | lardman | Yeah, I got that yesterday, wasn't sure if it was the GPS falling out or the N810 dropping the BT connection and the GPS then going to sleep |
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| 11:23.51 | keesj | http://maemo.mmapps.net/n810_vs_tomtom.jpg |
| 11:24.05 | keesj | the apparently did not agree on the best possible way |
| 11:24.37 | Robot101 | lol |
| 11:24.39 | johnx | fight! |
| 11:24.49 | johnx | at least it's not a one-way street, right? |
| 11:25.08 | keesj | no |
| 11:26.03 | keesj | rule number one , only listen to one navigation device at the time :p |
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| 11:41.14 | lardman | Do any video players actually support VaAPI? |
| 11:41.24 | lardman | Or is there no test code yet? |
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| 12:04.52 | ccooke | so... Anyone know a way of switching to a minimised non-hildon app? |
| 12:05.04 | ccooke | or do I have to kill it and restart it? |
| 12:05.22 | Dist | xgalaga? =D |
| 12:05.34 | ccooke | nah, cgoban as it happens :-) |
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| 12:06.10 | Dist | Ah, ok. No ideas though |
| 12:06.28 | johnx | uhm...I thought I saw some app for that |
| 12:06.30 | johnx | let me look |
| 12:08.23 | johnx | here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=163431 |
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| 12:10.16 | ccooke | thanks! |
| 12:10.19 | ccooke | *tries it* |
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| 12:22.20 | ccooke | Doesn't work. Ah well - thanks anyway |
| 12:23.53 | johnx | it should install wmctrl, you can run that by hand I suppose |
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| 13:14.23 | RST38h | whois rst38x |
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| 13:24.25 | eichi_ | do you think, you can all the things with a FreeRunner with OpenMoko, you can do with a N800 with maemo? |
| 13:24.59 | johnx | right now? sometime in the future? what kind of things? |
| 13:25.27 | eichi_ | the next months.. |
| 13:25.34 | johnx | probably not |
| 13:25.44 | eichi_ | right now, openmoko is unstable and not much software ported |
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| 13:26.37 | johnx | it sounds like you answered your own question :) |
| 13:27.17 | eichi_ | hm. display seams nearly the same, wlan both, same mhz cpu... |
| 13:27.27 | johnx | it's all about the software |
| 13:28.28 | eichi_ | both has a no or very ugly cam inside ;) |
| 13:28.54 | johnx | I'm just glad that my N800's cam hides so I don't have to think about it |
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| 13:29.26 | Stskeeps | hm. how would you people track down battery drains? i can't seem to find anything in htop, but my n800 drains battery pretty badly in idle (but on wlan, no traffic there) |
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| 13:30.04 | johnx | ps auxc and look start killing things that aren't necessary |
| 13:30.19 | eichi_ | Stskeeps, offline mode and display black |
| 13:30.22 | johnx | do you have an ext2/3 formatted sd card with symlinks? |
| 13:30.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: yes, and metacrawler is disabled |
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| 13:31.18 | johnx | rss reader? some kind of persistent mail check? flash open in browser? a misbehaving statusbar applet |
| 13:31.50 | eichi_ | does someone has the same problem: extern sd card formated with ext2, i have to take the sd card out and in again for remounting, after reboot. after reboot, the card is corruped first.. |
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| 13:32.38 | Stskeeps | johnx: installed modest, disabled automatic checks, IMAP, but the new email notification keeps on coming, uninstalled old email ui |
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| 13:33.45 | Stskeeps | i kinda suspect its the email client but haven't found any CPU use to prove it |
| 13:34.08 | johnx | it barely takes CPU use, just expiring timers that wake it up out of deep sleep |
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| 13:35.19 | user__ | w this is a good song |
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| 14:09.49 | johnx | gah! I am so close to having sound working in debian, but it's driving me insane |
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| 14:14.18 | Navi | johnx, :D |
| 14:14.31 | johnx | seriously though, this is maddening |
| 14:14.41 | johnx | alsamixer works and appears to let me set levels |
| 14:14.55 | johnx | but I think the DSP task isn't actually running |
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| 14:20.26 | Navi | heh |
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| 14:20.41 | Navi | Hit it a few times with a hammer and see if it'll work |
| 14:21.29 | johnx | problem is I don't even know where the DSP task really lives...what if I accidentally hit init with a hammer or sh? |
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| 14:24.15 | lardman | johnx: how do you mean lives? |
| 14:24.27 | lardman | the mixer is probably built into the dsp kernel |
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| 14:25.05 | lardman | you should see some output in dmesg to say that the built-in tasks + anything in /var/dsp/dsp_dld.conf has been loaded |
| 14:25.07 | johnx | It was kind of a lame joke ;) ... and I now know one of my problems |
| 14:25.12 | johnx | dsp_dld is segfaulting |
| 14:25.29 | lardman | have you rebuilt it? |
| 14:25.40 | johnx | there's source for it? |
| 14:25.43 | lardman | yes |
| 14:25.50 | johnx | woo! |
| 14:25.59 | lardman | tries to remember the name |
| 14:26.04 | lardman | osso-dsp-* perhaps |
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| 14:26.50 | lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/o/osso-dsp-loader/ |
| 14:26.50 | johnx | great! |
| 14:27.00 | Navi | sweetness |
| 14:27.04 | lardman | see if you can track down the segfult though and let me know where it occurs |
| 14:27.11 | johnx | right at load |
| 14:27.19 | johnx | want a strace? it's like 3 lines |
| 14:27.22 | lardman | how do you call it? |
| 14:27.37 | johnx | I was trying to call it with -h for help |
| 14:27.50 | lardman | oh, try "dsp_dld -p" |
| 14:28.02 | johnx | segfault |
| 14:28.05 | lardman | hmm |
| 14:28.13 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/m19f4c58c |
| 14:28.56 | lardman | ~lart Firefox |
| 14:28.56 | infobot | whips Firefox with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 14:29.50 | lardman | hmm, exciting strace output |
| 14:29.55 | johnx | yeah |
| 14:29.59 | johnx | I told you :P |
| 14:30.28 | lardman | :) |
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| 14:31.33 | Navi | lolcar smiles apon you |
| 14:32.52 | lardman | I don't know if that's dsp_dld not handling well the case where it's not running and you don't pass it the flags it's after? |
| 14:33.39 | lardman | it should be called with -c and -m at least I guess, to give it the avs_kernelcfg.cmd file location and dsp_dld.conf file locations |
| 14:33.58 | johnx | I'm basing this on the dsp init.d script for mamona |
| 14:34.08 | lardman | Ah, ok |
| 14:34.20 | MajMin7 | has anyone ever seen this runtime error: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - gtype.c2242: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function |
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| 14:36.46 | lardman | on my N810 I see the init script calls "dsp_ctl kmem_reserve 360000", then "dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf" |
| 14:37.24 | johnx | haha! |
| 14:37.34 | qwerty12 | I can't remember but something else runs with --disable-restart. I killed it and guess what? :p |
| 14:37.37 | johnx | shows I shouldn't borrow mamona's dsp_dld :) |
| 14:37.47 | lardman | :) |
| 14:37.51 | lardman | bbiam |
| 14:37.52 | johnx | qwerty12, dsme probably restarts it |
| 14:38.17 | qwerty12 | johnx, I know but come on though, --disable-restart and it still gets restarted :p |
| 14:38.36 | johnx | yeah...os2008 is not your typical linux distro |
| 14:39.45 | qwerty12 | I just wish it was more open :/. The diablo kernel must be using new .config and maybe some patches to the modules c files (or whatever they are called) |
| 14:40.03 | johnx | isn't it in svn? |
| 14:40.48 | qwerty12 | I have no idea, I don't think it's being shared afaik. It's still 21 like the Chinook one but with a newer compile date. Makes me wonder what changed... |
| 14:42.00 | qwerty12 | It's not in stage. My guess is that it will probably be in diablo scratchbox repo when diablo gets officially released :/ |
| 14:42.11 | johnx | yeah |
| 14:42.28 | johnx | that would be fine in keeping with the letter of the GPL...but it is annoying |
| 14:43.40 | johnx | did you mirror all of the diablo repo? |
| 14:43.56 | johnx | you might have an "rx-34-kernel-source.deb" lying around... |
| 14:44.04 | qwerty12 | I'll check :/ |
| 14:44.40 | qwerty12 | Nay, only kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200817maemo2_all |
| 14:46.05 | qwerty12 | Funny thing is that Application Manager doesn't ask for a password and log is fine so I guess I am still in for SSU ;) |
| 14:46.15 | lardman | I don't think dsme does restart it; if you manage to crash dsp_dld, the whole system goes down sharpish unless you can get it up and running very quickly |
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| 14:51.01 | RST38h | qwert: Make sure you save a copy of ftd somewhere safe ;) |
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| 14:51.19 | RST38h | 'Cause something tells me we will not see it in the official 4.1 release |
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| 14:51.33 | qwerty12 | I got diablo repo backed up on 8gb sd and computer :) |
| 14:52.37 | Navi | meh |
| 14:52.41 | Navi | no more updates though :P |
| 14:52.52 | Navi | Just ask Quim about the kernel tomorrow |
| 14:53.31 | qwerty12 | Navi, my application manager still updates :/ |
| 14:53.39 | Navi | O_o |
| 14:53.58 | qwerty12 | we'll have to see on Friday |
| 14:54.06 | Navi | Friday? |
| 14:54.17 | qwerty12 | According to Mara, updates are done on Friday |
| 14:54.24 | Navi | Mmk |
| 14:54.56 | Navi | We have to kill all of the evil spies here first |
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| 14:58.19 | RST38h | KILL KILL DESTORY |
| 14:58.28 | RST38h | DESTROY, mhm |
| 14:59.32 | qwerty12 | Get a hitman |
| 15:00.06 | RST38h | No, doing it with one's bare hand is much more fun! =BE |
| 15:00.24 | qwerty12 | I still rate a glock over hands :p |
| 15:00.58 | qwerty12 | I can't mirror the diablo repo but if anyone wants certain files from the repo, hit me up :p |
| 15:01.10 | RST38h | immobilize with glock, then use hands... |
| 15:01.22 | qwerty12 | MUHAHAHAhAHAHAHAh |
| 15:01.43 | RST38h | RIM just announced $150m for funding creative mobile applications for RIM |
| 15:01.59 | RST38h | I.e. they aped Steve Jobs with his "iPhone SDK" |
| 15:02.15 | johnx | who aped google with their android contest |
| 15:02.17 | qwerty12 | Blackberries suck. I'd rather have iPhone over blackberry >.> |
| 15:02.31 | qwerty12 | And I don't like iphone ;) |
| 15:02.35 | RST38h | Last time I checked RIM SDK, it was a Java-only thing and it sucked royally |
| 15:03.03 | RST38h | + RIM's Java VM is so slow that pretty much the only app it can run is Arkanoid |
| 15:03.21 | RST38h | Has anything changed since then? |
| 15:03.23 | qwerty12 | Ok, I use loop device to emulate a image as a dev file right (loop0, I'd guess?) |
| 15:03.32 | glass | RST38h: it sucks that bad? |
| 15:03.36 | johnx | qwerty12, jffs2? |
| 15:03.41 | qwerty12 | johnx, yes |
| 15:03.55 | johnx | just found the answer earlier today :) |
| 15:04.02 | glass | RST38h: nokias j2me vm is fast enough for pretty nice fullscreen demo effects and shit |
| 15:04.11 | johnx | qwerty12, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/ |
| 15:04.17 | qwerty12 | Cool, I kinda know how but all the images I've made have been damaged :) |
| 15:04.30 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks, I saw that page before and didn't realise it properly :) |
| 15:04.47 | glass | RST38h: i've only checked rims sdk enough to read the apis to get a grasp whats possible.. the apis seemed nice enough |
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| 15:05.23 | qwerty12 | needs to update linuxrc file from initfs ;) |
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| 15:07.02 | qwerty12 | johnx, they don't mention it there but mtd-tools is good to have for mkfs.jffs2 to remake the image |
| 15:07.10 | qwerty12 | it's in standard ubuntu repo afaik |
| 15:07.28 | johnx | is poking at debian right now, but I'll keep it in mind |
| 15:07.57 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:08.35 | qwerty12 | I need to compile mtd-tools for tablet, afaik, fanoush has already done it for his flasher's but I believe they are not full set of tools(?) |
| 15:14.10 | Navi | demands debian right now |
| 15:14.27 | johnx | bah |
| 15:14.45 | qwerty12 | Navi, I thought you were hater :p |
| 15:14.49 | Navi | threatens to shoot johnx's loved one/family/friends/pet |
| 15:14.56 | johnx | O_o |
| 15:15.02 | johnx | ok, back of the line |
| 15:15.09 | Navi | All right |
| 15:15.20 | Navi | steps back and threatens to shoot qwerty12 instead |
| 15:15.32 | qwerty12 | Go on then, try :p. |
| 15:15.34 | qwerty12 | pulls out glock |
| 15:15.52 | Navi | >_> |
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| 15:16.02 | Navi | hi cmarcelo |
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| 15:17.45 | qwerty12 | You got blanked :P. Now you got a reason to shoot :p |
| 15:18.15 | Navi | goes ten minutes into the past and pretends that never happens |
| 15:18.44 | cmarcelo | hello. :-) |
| 15:18.59 | qwerty12 | Navi did not see that :p |
| 15:19.03 | qwerty12 | He is in past. |
| 15:19.06 | Navi | Is the diablo microb in the repos any newer than Chinook's? |
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| 15:19.19 | qwerty12 | Navi, yes but not as new as your svn version |
| 15:19.25 | Navi | Yeah, I noticed |
| 15:19.29 | qwerty12 | I posted screenshot of about: |
| 15:20.01 | qwerty12 | browserd is a nice touch though |
| 15:20.12 | Navi | what's it do? |
| 15:20.15 | qwerty12 | if one of my windows causes it to crash, only that window closes |
| 15:20.24 | qwerty12 | s/window/page |
| 15:20.34 | Navi | mmk |
| 15:20.48 | qwerty12 | If your dcc works, I can send you microb debs |
| 15:21.21 | Navi | Nah |
| 15:21.27 | qwerty12 | skeen |
| 15:21.28 | Navi | Modest didn't work either |
| 15:21.35 | Navi | and I really need email |
| 15:21.39 | Navi | so I reflashed |
| 15:21.47 | qwerty12 | My Modest works :/. Just a bit unstable later on |
| 15:21.55 | qwerty12 | I don't use email though so no worries to me |
| 15:21.59 | Navi | Mine didn't work at all |
| 15:22.05 | johnx | modest seems perfectly fine here |
| 15:22.09 | Navi | I got internal errors just by trying to launch it |
| 15:22.18 | Navi | retarded shtick |
| 15:22.19 | johnx | I'm sticking with diablo I think |
| 15:22.23 | Navi | never was able to open it |
| 15:22.41 | qwerty12 | johnx, +1 :). Just because it's newer :p |
| 15:23.14 | johnx | they fixed two of my "favorite" microb bugs and some other stuff |
| 15:23.49 | qwerty12 | machine-id should be created by default so I can run dbus apps as root minus hildonisations |
| 15:23.54 | Italodance | HOW ARE YA FRIENDS? :D |
| 15:24.07 | johnx | pretty good |
| 15:24.13 | johnx | and you? |
| 15:24.22 | Italodance | tnx me 2 |
| 15:25.36 | Navi | I'm lazy |
| 15:25.45 | Navi | I need to go up to the uni and check my grades |
| 15:25.49 | Navi | but I don't feel like it |
| 15:27.08 | qwerty12 | I have a 1MB initfs.jffs2 file. doesn't sound right to me but **** it, I'm gonna flash. I have chinook initfs extracted |
| 15:28.15 | qwerty12 | Nay, it hangs on startup. |
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| 15:29.06 | qwerty12 | At least it doesn't shutdown :/ |
| 15:29.15 | Navi | Woo |
| 15:29.35 | Italodance | qwerty12 any news from max payne? |
| 15:29.45 | qwerty12 | Italodance, Its never gonna happen. |
| 15:29.57 | lopz | hola |
| 15:30.02 | qwerty12 | hi |
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| 15:30.26 | Italodance | qwerty12 what a pity :'''( but i have hope |
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| 15:33.23 | qwerty12 | arg, I have no way to tell if this initfs image is damaged or diablo initfs is dodgy by default :/ |
| 15:33.45 | johnx | get fb_update_mode installed |
| 15:34.02 | qwerty12 | Yeah, I'm gonna make it insert the modules as the first thing. |
| 15:34.35 | Navi | johnx, y'know |
| 15:34.42 | Italodance | someone please tell me i need to install this https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbhost/ for external devices or don't need it? |
| 15:35.21 | Navi | if you get sound working, it would nearly make debian replace OS2008 for me :o |
| 15:35.37 | johnx | well that's the idea now isn't it? :D |
| 15:35.49 | konttori | Italodance: or you can install this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ |
| 15:35.59 | johnx | +1 for usbcontrol |
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| 15:36.22 | Navi | johnx, do a rundown test yet? |
| 15:36.28 | johnx | nope |
| 15:36.31 | qwerty12 | usbcontrol is better, it shows status and has a gui. That just runs a script afaik |
| 15:36.31 | Navi | mmk |
| 15:36.36 | Italodance | guys which one is better? |
| 15:36.37 | johnx | I'll let someone else do it |
| 15:36.41 | Italodance | oh |
| 15:36.43 | wow50 | volume of xmms is low than media palyer |
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| 15:36.53 | Navi | johnx, KotCzarny will do it :D |
| 15:36.59 | johnx | exactly my thoughts |
| 15:37.10 | johnx | I want to get this out and encourage people to pitch in |
| 15:37.18 | Navi | I don't want to pitch in |
| 15:37.28 | Navi | I'm going to be selfish and horde everything to myself |
| 15:37.32 | johnx | uhm...thanks |
| 15:37.35 | Navi | Kidding |
| 15:37.37 | Navi | :P |
| 15:37.41 | johnx | ah :P |
| 15:37.41 | Italodance | ummm external HDD and cd-rom can works with USB Control? |
| 15:37.50 | Italodance | or usbhost?? |
| 15:37.51 | Navi | I'll be handing out custom dwm builds for anyone that wants it |
| 15:38.16 | johnx | Italodance, external HDDs will work as long as they are FAT16 or FAT32 |
| 15:38.20 | wow50 | is there a other way to raise a volume in xmms |
| 15:38.40 | johnx | for cd-roms you will need to do install something else |
| 15:39.41 | qwerty12 | penguinbait made a cd-rom deb. I don't really see the point in hooking up a cd-rom drive to it though :/ |
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| 15:41.56 | Italodance | johnx yes i installed cdrom.deb for my n800 so for external HDDs and flash drivers,cool disks....it can read all them without any new install app? |
| 15:42.32 | johnx | you'll need to install ntfs support if your disk is formatted as ntfs |
| 15:42.51 | Italodance | no for FAT ? |
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| 15:42.54 | Navi | yey ntfs failz |
| 15:43.01 | johnx | Italodance, Why don't you try it and tell me if it works? |
| 15:43.48 | Navi | You'll need a powered hub for HDDs |
| 15:44.22 | Italodance | johnx ok sure but i didn't buy usb otg adaptor yet,,,i will go for buy now |
| 15:44.32 | Navi | And some old flash drives, for whatever reason |
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| 15:50.43 | qwerty12 | How to increase size of mtdblock0 file? I run mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0 and then dd if=usr/share/osso/images/initfs.jffs2 of=/tmp/mtdblock0 and "dd: writing to `/tmp/mtdblock0': No space left on device" |
| 15:50.58 | johnx | eh? |
| 15:51.11 | johnx | are you using block2mtd or mtdram? |
| 15:51.18 | johnx | I think you're mixing your instructions |
| 15:51.22 | qwerty12 | I think both :/. I'm gonna reboot |
| 15:51.33 | johnx | wait, is this on the tablet? |
| 15:51.38 | johnx | ah |
| 15:51.38 | johnx | nm |
| 15:51.44 | qwerty12 | computer. I'm doing reisub. brb |
| 15:51.54 | johnx | you don't need to reboot |
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| 15:52.10 | johnx | just rmmod mtdram |
| 15:52.15 | johnx | and follow the right instructions |
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| 15:55.09 | johnx | sound works |
| 15:55.12 | johnx | next challenge |
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| 15:55.45 | johnx | what are people's favorite lightweight audio player? |
| 15:55.50 | johnx | emphasis on lightweight |
| 15:56.03 | Navi | mocp |
| 15:56.11 | Navi | well, that's my second favorite |
| 15:56.55 | Navi | true favorite is mpd + ncmpc |
| 15:57.01 | johnx | I'm leaning towards mpd |
| 15:57.07 | johnx | maybe mpd+sonata though |
| 15:57.13 | Navi | sonata is heavy |
| 15:57.19 | johnx | it's not *that* heavy |
| 15:57.25 | johnx | and it doesn't need to stay running |
| 15:57.40 | Navi | Run it on the N800 long enough to use, and you'll see why I called it heavy. |
| 15:57.52 | johnx | sounds fair |
| 15:58.08 | johnx | I've run it on a system with half the RAM and slower swap before though |
| 15:58.13 | Navi | it took 5-10 seconds for the UI to update with song changes |
| 15:58.19 | johnx | O_o |
| 15:58.25 | Navi | It's processor heavy |
| 15:58.28 | johnx | that sounds like something is just wrong then |
| 15:58.34 | johnx | I'll give it a shot |
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| 15:58.39 | Navi | Hi dougt |
| 15:58.48 | Navi | gmpc runs much better |
| 15:58.54 | johnx | but it's not as nice |
| 15:58.58 | Navi | being nice and Glade+C andall |
| 15:59.16 | Navi | the pythonness of sonata bogs everything down |
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| 15:59.50 | Navi | I'll give you that Sonata is better, though |
| 15:59.53 | johnx | oh, gmpc looks lots nicer now |
| 15:59.55 | Navi | s/better/nicer/ |
| 16:00.01 | johnx | it's been a long time since I've used it |
| 16:00.05 | Navi | yep |
| 16:00.14 | Navi | UI changed completely from .13 to .14 |
| 16:00.16 | johnx | I was picturing gmpc circa .11 or earlier |
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| 16:00.34 | Navi | they rewrote the glade parts at that time |
| 16:00.39 | Navi | spiffed it up |
| 16:00.46 | johnx | and since the tap and hold is more reliable than under os2008 ... *ducks* |
| 16:01.00 | Navi | :/ |
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| 16:01.41 | qwerty12 | w00t!. I messed up permssions on my home folder so I'm now root for the time being (bad idea but I don't really care) |
| 16:02.01 | johnx | chown -R user:user ~user/ |
| 16:02.21 | johnx | uhm...unless you keep unpacked filesystems under it |
| 16:02.31 | qwerty12 | Not really, thanks :) |
| 16:02.49 | Navi | heh |
| 16:03.15 | johnx | that command would really ruin my week if run on my $HOME |
| 16:03.22 | qwerty12 | let me log out and see :) |
| 16:03.23 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:03.36 | Navi | anyways |
| 16:03.51 | Navi | the tiny buttons on gmpc are hard to hit on the N8X0 |
| 16:04.10 | Navi | when I was trying it out, I had to up the size a bit |
| 16:04.11 | johnx | I need to look into gtk theming at some point for zaurus and n800 |
| 16:04.25 | Navi | Mmm |
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| 16:04.41 | johnx | just 150% would make things nice for a lot of apps |
| 16:04.48 | qwerty12 | nah, still failing. I'm gonna take a look later |
| 16:04.48 | johnx | but I don't even know what's possible :/ |
| 16:05.06 | Navi | heh |
| 16:05.06 | Navi | fail |
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| 16:07.56 | qwerty12 | I think for diablo initfs, it would be wise to increase totalsize number :/ |
| 16:08.00 | johnx | audacious looses for not having libmad plugin included in its deb package |
| 16:08.16 | johnx | qwerty12, you're using the wrong instructions |
| 16:08.25 | johnx | use the ones that talk about block2mtd |
| 16:08.39 | qwerty12 | I tried them before and it failed for me, I want to try the other method |
| 16:08.45 | johnx | it will never work |
| 16:08.53 | qwerty12 | I'm past caring |
| 16:09.06 | johnx | I can help you make the block2mtd instructions work |
| 16:09.09 | johnx | I just used them |
| 16:09.31 | qwerty12 | I can mount the image fine with block2mtd but my created image is odd :/ |
| 16:09.48 | johnx | define odd |
| 16:10.02 | johnx | anyways, the problem with mtdram is it needs a huge chunk of kernel memory |
| 16:10.11 | qwerty12 | Its 1MB. Smaller than chinook initfs which is wrong. |
| 16:10.50 | johnx | maybe make your changes then rsync them into a new image? |
| 16:10.59 | johnx | or maybe the diablo image isn't actually working yet |
| 16:11.20 | qwerty12 | johnx, maybe. I'm gonna add fb_update_mode to find out. |
| 16:11.30 | johnx | when I rolled out linux thin clients perfect booting was like the last thing I had working |
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| 16:13.54 | qwerty12 | yes!mtdblock method is brilliant. Expect new initfs soon hopefully ;) |
| 16:14.11 | johnx | :) |
| 16:14.28 | johnx | the block2mtd or did you actually get mtdram working? |
| 16:14.28 | qwerty12 | I pimped up the total_size to 88888 :p |
| 16:14.34 | qwerty12 | mtdram |
| 16:14.37 | johnx | heh |
| 16:14.48 | johnx | how much RAM do you have on that machine? |
| 16:14.52 | qwerty12 | Diablo initfs size is bigger so it needs bigger size, I had incomplete dump before |
| 16:14.53 | qwerty12 | 2GB |
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| 16:15.00 | johnx | that would explain it :) |
| 16:15.15 | johnx | only a measely gig here |
| 16:15.21 | qwerty12 | :P |
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| 16:15.41 | johnx | wait...you needed 88MB for the initfs?! |
| 16:15.49 | johnx | eh? |
| 16:15.52 | qwerty12 | No but every little helps :P |
| 16:15.57 | qwerty12 | I chose random numbers |
| 16:16.25 | johnx | I gave bad advice earlier actually...what mtdram won't work for is rootfs |
| 16:16.37 | qwerty12 | can I ignore "tar: .: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 01:00:00 |
| 16:16.37 | qwerty12 | " message? |
| 16:16.40 | johnx | yes |
| 16:16.50 | qwerty12 | Cool |
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| 16:19.43 | qwerty12 | Now I got 1.8MB which is much more better :).Time to flash |
| 16:20.16 | qwerty12 | YEAH BABY |
| 16:20.21 | johnx | it lives? |
| 16:20.24 | qwerty12 | is running DIABLO initfs ;) |
| 16:20.32 | johnx | awesome |
| 16:20.38 | qwerty12 | Time to try out FTD |
| 16:20.47 | qwerty12 | damn nokia for making me go to such lengths |
| 16:20.55 | qwerty12 | and thank you for provding the wiki :p |
| 16:21.11 | johnx | even if I later told you it wouldn't work :) |
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| 16:21.27 | johnx | I guess it balances out or something :/ |
| 16:22.03 | qwerty12 | jott was wrong :P. Even with Diablo initfs, it still won't retrieve BME values :p |
| 16:22.08 | qwerty12 | Is testserver needed? |
| 16:22.33 | johnx | I don't know |
| 16:23.06 | qwerty12 | I used fanoush remove.lst file to rip it out. Test server goes :/. I'll put back in the battery modules and see what happens :) |
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| 16:32.18 | Jaffa | had a play with Diablo at JavaOne (an N810W on the Nokia stand), was not immediately impressed. |
| 16:33.16 | johnx | it's a bugfix release |
| 16:33.21 | qwerty12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.32 | johnx | and it seems marginally more responsive to me at least |
| 16:33.45 | qwerty12 | Feature wise, I'm not really excited but the rest of it seems to be non-buggy. |
| 16:33.48 | johnx | apt-get upgrades and modest are the big "features" |
| 16:35.25 | RST38h | + there may be a way to feed agps data now |
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| 16:35.44 | johnx | the lack of a2dp is extremely disappointing |
| 16:35.49 | qwerty12 | Agreed. |
| 16:35.54 | RST38h | Yep |
| 16:36.05 | johnx | and the lack of any word one way or the other |
| 16:36.15 | johnx | if I'd known it wasn't coming I might have worked on it more |
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| 16:37.08 | qwerty12 | I need jott around :( |
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| 16:38.21 | Jaffa | johnx: bug fix release indeed |
| 16:38.40 | johnx | ? |
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| 16:38.49 | johnx | running into problems? |
| 16:38.56 | qwerty12 | Dissapointed by lack of new additions? |
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| 16:39.40 | Navi | I was just disappointed that the microb engine in the repos was old. |
| 16:39.56 | johnx | yeah...that's not so awesome |
| 16:39.57 | Navi | and that modest did not work at all |
| 16:40.07 | Navi | so me |
| 16:40.09 | Navi | meh |
| 16:40.11 | johnx | modest is fine here...and for many other people |
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| 16:40.16 | johnx | I assume it's an upgrade issue |
| 16:40.18 | qwerty12 | Navi, I don't really agree with modest |
| 16:40.24 | qwerty12 | Me and johnx ran it fine |
| 16:40.27 | Navi | I upgraded from a clean flash |
| 16:40.29 | qwerty12 | I even posted screenshot |
| 16:40.41 | johnx | which email provider? |
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| 16:40.51 | Navi | gmail and my school's |
| 16:41.06 | Navi | But I wasn't using them anyways :P |
| 16:41.10 | Navi | I *couldn't* use them |
| 16:41.16 | Navi | modest wouldn't *open* at all for me |
| 16:41.29 | Navi | It'd go straight to internal error |
| 16:41.57 | johnx | shrugs |
| 16:42.19 | qwerty12 | shoulda leans |
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| 16:43.59 | lardman | johnx: re a2dp, we had a confirmation on the list last week that no DSP task was going to be created on Nokia's side |
| 16:44.16 | qwerty12 | Nokia sucks. |
| 16:44.35 | johnx | qwerty12, we wouldn't be here if they were completely awful though |
| 16:44.41 | lardman | If the bluez changes are as good as people say, perhaps it won't be a big issue |
| 16:45.07 | johnx | but they might or might not in some future release maybe do a2dp, possibly? |
| 16:45.12 | qwerty12 | johnx, I know but the big things are things we will never see :/ :( |
| 16:45.31 | lardman | my impression was that as bluez is better now (don't know what version of bluez), it's not worth it |
| 16:45.52 | lardman | but I've started a Garage project anyway, any help appreciated of course: dsp-sbc |
| 16:46.00 | johnx | but they still have to do all kinds of crazy routing to do |
| 16:46.12 | johnx | to make it work with their media-player |
| 16:46.24 | johnx | the question is when they'll get around to it |
| 16:46.45 | Navi | heh |
| 16:47.22 | lardman | I can't see why adding a GStreamer alsa sink won't work |
| 16:48.07 | lardman | bit of conf file tweakery and the built in player should then output over a2dp; I assume |
| 16:48.50 | johnx | for some reason the Nokia guy responding to the a2dp bug made it sound more complicated |
| 16:48.59 | johnx | but maybe things have improved since then in modularity |
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| 16:49.17 | lardman | I don't know; perhaps it is more complicated |
| 16:49.47 | johnx | something about the fact that system sounds were mixed on the dsp or somesuch |
| 16:50.13 | lardman | ah, yes that might cause issues, as the DSP is bypassed |
| 16:51.41 | lardman | But nothing to worry about for us; we just won't hear anything but the music/soundtrack |
| 16:52.19 | johnx | right, but nokia has some weird ideas about what constitutes a blocking bug |
| 16:52.41 | johnx | "Can't here the screen-tap sound?! then we can't ship it!" |
| 16:52.50 | lardman | :) |
| 16:53.56 | qwerty12 | I wouldn't ship it if the screen-tap was meant to come here ;) :p |
| 16:58.52 | Mousey | omweather locked my box! |
| 16:58.54 | Mousey | cries |
| 16:59.15 | johnx | that's unfortunate |
| 16:59.20 | johnx | how do you know it was omweather? |
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| 17:00.21 | Mousey | because there's a big blank window that says "Other Maemo Weather Settings" open everytime i boot it and otherwise the ui doesn't respond |
| 17:00.53 | johnx | do you have an ssh server installed? are you booting from sd? |
| 17:00.59 | Mousey | yes, no |
| 17:01.11 | johnx | well the fix is easy at least |
| 17:01.16 | Mousey | can't ssh in |
| 17:01.21 | johnx | ah |
| 17:01.30 | johnx | well that makes it somewhat harder |
| 17:01.35 | Mousey | cries more |
| 17:01.44 | lardman | heads for home |
| 17:01.47 | johnx | do you need information off of it? |
| 17:01.56 | Mousey | it'd be nice not to have to wipe it |
| 17:02.46 | johnx | let me think about it for a couple minutes |
| 17:03.10 | johnx | I have one way but it involves some amount of command line hackery |
| 17:04.28 | Mousey | johnx: that, i imagine means access to a command line |
| 17:04.32 | Mousey | but the entire ui is unresponsive |
| 17:04.41 | johnx | well see that's where the hackery comes in |
| 17:05.05 | johnx | you flash a fanoush custom initfs with builtin telnet and then use usbnet from your desktop |
| 17:05.07 | Mousey | well i've plugged it into usb, maybe i can crowbar omweather out |
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| 17:06.25 | Italodance | umm\ |
| 17:06.27 | Italodance | http://www.tablet-guru.com/2007/11/15/a-few-backgrounds-for-internet-tablets/ |
| 17:06.29 | Italodance | :D |
| 17:06.32 | qwerty12 | wotcher lcuk |
| 17:06.43 | johnx | hey lcuk |
| 17:06.50 | Cptnodegard | is there a way to transfer files to the IT using a FTP program such as filezilla? |
| 17:06.51 | lcuk | hi folks |
| 17:07.12 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, solmumaha ported proftpd |
| 17:07.14 | johnx | Cptnodegard, run openssh-server on your tablet and use anything that understands sftp |
| 17:07.31 | Cptnodegard | thx |
| 17:07.34 | Cptnodegard | runs off to check |
| 17:07.58 | Italodance | http://www.tablet-guru.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/nokia_house.jpg is it really the official nokia house? |
| 17:08.11 | Mousey | oh wait! it is responding on ssh!! |
| 17:08.13 | Mousey | huzzah! |
| 17:08.17 | qwerty12 | Yes, although I wouldn't call it a house... |
| 17:08.34 | johnx | Cptnodegard, openssh is on downloads.maemo.org and in extras :) |
| 17:08.46 | qwerty12 | Italodance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nokia_HQ.jpg |
| 17:09.01 | Italodance | qwerty12 tnx dude :D |
| 17:09.15 | qwerty12 | thinks Finland looks nice, I have to visit when I'm older :) |
| 17:09.16 | qwerty12 | np :) |
| 17:09.29 | johnx | mpd lives! |
| 17:09.34 | Italodance | qwerty12 lol how old are you? |
| 17:09.40 | qwerty12 | 15 :) |
| 17:09.59 | Italodance | ohhh :) |
| 17:14.59 | Cptnodegard | is the openssh installation supposed to take forever? it asked for "new root password", i typed one in and now it just says "installing openssh" with the progressbar not moving |
| 17:15.32 | johnx | yup |
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| 17:15.43 | johnx | it's generating you a key |
| 17:15.44 | Cptnodegard | :) |
| 17:15.46 | Cptnodegard | ok it finished |
| 17:16.04 | johnx | ah...it's not supposed to finish :P It's supposed to go on forevvvvaaaa |
| 17:16.07 | Cptnodegard | never used anythign ssh before so im naturally scared of it :p |
| 17:16.16 | Italodance | Cleaner.2007.DVDRip.XviD-VoMiT nice :D |
| 17:16.35 | johnx | Cptnodegard, ssh is like the most awesome thing ever. nothing to fear :) |
| 17:16.48 | Cptnodegard | but i still have no idea how to use it :p |
| 17:16.56 | johnx | well, now it's running |
| 17:16.59 | Cptnodegard | no icon appeared in the menu |
| 17:17.07 | johnx | right, it's a server |
| 17:17.07 | qwerty12 | johnx, do you use ssh (in diablo repo) or openssh from chinook repo? |
| 17:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 17:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | beats Cptnodegard with the ignorance stick |
| 17:17.24 | Cptnodegard | hey |
| 17:17.26 | johnx | qwerty12, chinook I think |
| 17:17.27 | Cptnodegard | im trying :p |
| 17:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 17:17.37 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, cut him some slack :P |
| 17:17.46 | Cptnodegard | so now i do what exactly to access the memory from filezilla? |
| 17:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | No quarter! |
| 17:18.13 | johnx | Cptnodegard, anyways, now that you have ssh user filezilla and connect to your tablet's IP address with user root and the password you chose |
| 17:18.36 | Cptnodegard | local ip or global? |
| 17:18.41 | johnx | local |
| 17:18.50 | johnx | if it's inside your own network... |
| 17:19.52 | qwerty12 | I'm 80% sure that the 1st Nokia image is kept in the bootloader |
| 17:19.52 | Cptnodegard | specific port? |
| 17:20.10 | johnx | filezilla should know |
| 17:20.14 | johnx | as long as you pick sftp |
| 17:20.21 | johnx | or ssh2 or whatever filezilla calls it |
| 17:20.56 | johnx | looks at filezilla screenshots |
| 17:21.00 | johnx | just tell it port 22 I guess |
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| 17:22.06 | Cptnodegard | lol nice |
| 17:22.17 | Cptnodegard | quickconnect didnt work because it does ftp only |
| 17:22.21 | Cptnodegard | thx :D |
| 17:22.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: thought it was /mnt/initfs/usr/share/images/logo-nokia |
| 17:22.29 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 17:22.45 | qwerty12 | I just replaced it and Nokia one still shows |
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| 17:22.54 | qwerty12 | Also with damaged initfs, Nokia one still shows |
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| 17:22.59 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 17:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's got a half-dozen of them sequestered away like a squirrel hides acorns. . . . |
| 17:24.15 | qwerty12 | I'm not sure if I made image right though :p. I just did chroot and ran the program which displays image and it segfaults |
| 17:24.16 | johnx | :D |
| 17:24.28 | qwerty12 | I don't think it's meant to handle 580Kb images though... |
| 17:24.43 | johnx | it prolly has to be exactly the same resolution too |
| 17:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | Which is very small for the Nokia logo. |
| 17:25.00 | qwerty12 | Nokia default resolution suxs badly |
| 17:25.35 | qwerty12 | Not sure on the exact size but the resolution is the just the nokia logo. |
| 17:26.35 | qwerty12 | At least I can try and make it black. Uncompress nokia original one, change white to black and make t2s set black background. I did that with black themed bootmenu. |
| 17:26.52 | Cptnodegard | so this ssh server thingy runs constantly now? i dont have to start anything after rebooting for instance? |
| 17:27.03 | johnx | nope |
| 17:27.08 | johnx | comes up on reboot |
| 17:27.12 | Cptnodegard | ^^ |
| 17:27.16 | Cptnodegard | thats actually useful |
| 17:27.23 | johnx | it's incredibly useful |
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| 17:27.35 | Cptnodegard | i wouldnt mind usb if it wasnt for the fact that f***** tablet keeps yapping on about "blabla is in use" every time :p |
| 17:27.46 | johnx | and you can access the tablet's command line from your computer, too :) |
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| 17:29.12 | qwerty12 | It's incredibly easy to use flash-and-reboot to flash whatever initfs you want. |
| 17:29.41 | johnx | and now we're back to the days of onboard flashing! all that's old is new again! |
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| 17:30.12 | qwerty12 | still needs to compile mtd-utils |
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| 17:32.08 | qwerty12 | Is it possible to set hardware and software revision manually using flasher-3.0 or 0xffff? |
| 17:32.46 | qwerty12 | once again, my information has corrupted and about is <unknown> |
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| 17:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | qwert12, yes |
| 17:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know the exact command, though. |
| 17:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | Really, I wouldn't worry about it. :P |
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| 17:44.34 | Cptnodegard | buttmonkeywindows -__- |
| 17:44.59 | lardman | Cptnodegard: you talking about my current OS? |
| 17:45.18 | Cptnodegard | technically mine but im sure it would fit yours too :) |
| 17:45.31 | johnx | so is Windows ButtMonkey edition better than Vista? better than XP? |
| 17:45.49 | lardman | nearly, mine is actually buttmonkeywindowsxphome |
| 17:46.07 | qwerty12_N800 | home? i feel sorry for you... |
| 17:46.09 | lardman | actually I've gone mad, I booted to Ubuntu |
| 17:46.23 | Cptnodegard | XP = xpert problems.... Vista is so bugged not even the abbrivation makes sense :) |
| 17:46.26 | lcuk | im waiting for buttmonkeywindowsxphome service pack 4 to be released before i switch. |
| 17:46.27 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: cam pre-installed, couldn't be bothered to wipe it |
| 17:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, that's special |
| 17:46.43 | GeneralAntilles | They wont add 4.1 to bugzilla because it's "not out yet" |
| 17:46.49 | lardman | hey General, how are you? |
| 17:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | Yet another reason for Nokia to avoid using it. . . . |
| 17:46.59 | MajMin7 | hey |
| 17:47.03 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, i'm lucky, mine came with mce |
| 17:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Fine, lardman, yourself? :) |
| 17:47.19 | MajMin7 | I'm trying to compile a gps hello-world app and I'm getting a compilation error |
| 17:47.20 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: not bad, about to do some DSP hacking/cursing :) |
| 17:47.23 | Cptnodegard | this thing would pwn with the IT: http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/Accessories.7/Speakers.16/ibluon.260/BT-TD03/iBluon_Bluetooth_Stereo_Audio_Transmitter.2441.html |
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| 17:47.33 | lcuk | MajMin7, did you get your gps test working? lol obviously not |
| 17:47.48 | MajMin7 | in gps.h: error: 'PATH_MAX' undeclared here |
| 17:48.03 | MajMin7 | lcuk: im getting CLOSE |
| 17:48.36 | MajMin7 | i think i have the program right... and I've had it compile |
| 17:48.37 | lcuk | its ok, once you get the code working you still have to wait 4 hours to run it and get a lock |
| 17:48.43 | MajMin7 | hahaha |
| 17:48.47 | lardman | MajMin7: what are you testing? |
| 17:49.00 | MajMin7 | im just trying to get a program that uses the GPS |
| 17:49.03 | lcuk | hes trying to see if hes on earth |
| 17:49.09 | lardman | :) |
| 17:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, it's all gonna come to you in one glorious epiphany one day, and DSP enlightenment will be yours. :D |
| 17:50.12 | lcuk | MajMin7, put the whole error log into pastebin and let us have a look |
| 17:50.34 | MajMin7 | arr |
| 17:50.39 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 17:50.50 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I live in hope :) |
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| 17:51.06 | lcuk | lard, is the blitter going to be ready for use |
| 17:51.17 | MajMin7 | what is pastebin? |
| 17:51.41 | lcuk | http://pastebin.com/ paste the errors into there |
| 17:51.50 | lcuk | and then submit and give us the link it gives |
| 17:52.01 | lardman | lcuk: I'm trying to work out why it outputs some strange size of image; probably some school-boy error in my pointer arithmetic |
| 17:52.29 | lcuk | i get that ;) ive got a line draw algo thats off by one pixel |
| 17:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Need me to spot for you while you adjust it, lcuk? :P |
| 17:53.33 | lcuk | we will have to do some poking about later in the month and see whats around |
| 17:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | "A little to the left—too far, a little back to the right. . . ." |
| 17:54.03 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 17:54.05 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles, ive done all that, and tbh its not important enough to worry about now |
| 17:54.18 | MajMin7 | just pasted it: http://pastebin.com/m6f57e6bf |
| 17:54.41 | lardman | hmm, definitely something wrong with my code |
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| 17:58.04 | lcuk | MajMin7, ok, before your call to all the gps code, you need to include <linux/limits.h> |
| 17:58.30 | lcuk | 04:14.57VoodooZ__actually. adding #include <linux/limits.h> did the trick as per http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2001-November/005206.html |
| 17:58.48 | lcuk | apparantly (and ive never seen gpsd before) gpsd included a hard written path in there.. |
| 17:58.55 | lcuk | length |
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| 17:59.56 | MajMin7 | oh |
| 18:01.44 | lcuk | MajMin7, when you are getting errors like this for unknown libraries its an idea to try googling the exact error line, or the key points of the error line. hope that works anyway and you can move onto the next step |
| 18:02.57 | MajMin7 | yea |
| 18:03.02 | MajMin7 | i actually did that |
| 18:03.07 | MajMin7 | just didnt find what you found |
| 18:03.10 | MajMin7 | dunno why not |
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| 18:03.22 | MajMin7 | thanks tho |
| 18:03.46 | lcuk | thats ok, enough people have helped me in here that im more than happy to try to return the favour :) |
| 18:04.34 | MajMin7 | help? more like save my ass |
| 18:04.36 | MajMin7 | lol |
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| 18:06.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, have you seen ftd from diablo repos? the information given may not be new/important but it has "dsp info". screenie: http://i30.tinypic.com/2lu2zuw.png & http://i32.tinypic.com/2j607ci.png :) |
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| 18:13.35 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 18:13.41 | MajMin7 | so i cheated... |
| 18:13.52 | MajMin7 | I added <linux/limits.h> to the gps.h file |
| 18:14.02 | MajMin7 | but i shouldn't do that........ cause its not my header file |
| 18:14.12 | MajMin7 | that fixes the problem though |
| 18:15.37 | elb | just include it before including gps.h |
| 18:15.42 | elb | no need to edit gps.h |
| 18:16.00 | MajMin7 | oh crap |
| 18:16.27 | MajMin7 | i overlooked the #include <gps.h> in my program (its just something i copied) |
| 18:16.32 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I hadn't; am looking at the pics now |
| 18:17.16 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: Looks like the sysfs info; what does ftd stand for? |
| 18:17.31 | qwerty12_N800 | field test display |
| 18:17.38 | qwerty12_N800 | from diablo repo |
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| 18:24.31 | lardman | Any framebuffer gurus about? |
| 18:24.48 | lardman | scan line go along rows or columns? |
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| 18:25.23 | lcuk | scan line is from east to west |
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| 18:25.26 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12_N800: hey how goes |
| 18:25.37 | qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, hi :) |
| 18:26.05 | EruditeHermit | looks like the password protected it |
| 18:26.08 | EruditeHermit | no more updates for us |
| 18:26.59 | qwerty12_N800 | RX-48 (wimax) is probably gonna have more security... |
| 18:26.59 | qwerty12_N800 | :( |
| 18:26.59 | johnx | isn't security a good thing? |
| 18:26.59 | johnx | or arbitrary restrictions? |
| 18:27.25 | lcuk | lardman, horizontal strips left to right with a stride between each line |
| 18:27.27 | qwerty12_N800 | not when you like to look around... bb5 is taking a higher role in 810w |
| 18:27.44 | qwerty12_N800 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.25 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12_N800: you got the new initfs to work? |
| 18:28.49 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, i dont have a copy on tablet tho |
| 18:28.58 | qwerty12_N800 | or mtd-tools to dump a copy |
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| 18:29.29 | EruditeHermit | ah |
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| 18:30.38 | qwerty12_N800 | nothing really good about it though, except for being newer. it just has stuff on the 810w edition |
| 18:31.12 | qwerty12_N800 | I only worked on it because I thought battery info in ftd would work |
| 18:31.48 | EruditeHermit | how do you start ftd? |
| 18:32.03 | EruditeHermit | or access it |
| 18:32.28 | qwerty12_N800 | from the application menu |
| 18:33.10 | EruditeHermit | do you have to install it from somewhere? |
| 18:33.32 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, the now gone diablo repo |
| 18:33.37 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 18:34.15 | qwerty12_N800 | you /may/ be able to get it from app manager in redpill |
| 18:35.34 | EruditeHermit | nope |
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| 18:38.45 | lcuk | heh, i just realised the new 810w edition is going to 810w chunks |
| 18:38.57 | johnx | :P |
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| 18:42.29 | qwerty12_N800 | may get a 810w, it means initfs would be better (it runs the programmes |
| 18:42.37 | qwerty12_N800 | on tty1 ;) |
| 18:43.49 | qwerty12_N800 | wimax module is called pc2400m and the network interface called wimax0 |
| 18:44.36 | JackCrow | !proxy |
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| 18:53.55 | qwerty12_N800 | what is spi2.1? in rd_mode, n810w will show extra green text ;) |
| 18:54.19 | johnx | spi is a bus |
| 18:54.38 | johnx | I believe it's how the sd card controller is hooked up as well |
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| 18:55.05 | johnx | entirely possible that wimax is attached to spi I suppose |
| 18:55.06 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, thanks :) |
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| 18:56.20 | johnx | wikipedia knows all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus#Advantages |
| 18:57.10 | johnx | sleeps |
| 18:57.34 | qwerty12_N800 | night |
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| 19:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | johnx's timezone is a lie. |
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| 19:00.56 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, it's only 8:00PM here, gmt +1 |
| 19:01.06 | KotCzarny | 3pm |
| 19:01.21 | KotCzarny | yawn |
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| 19:03.20 | qwerty12_N800 | to a certain person who likes cpufreq, ondemand is always set at boottime via initfs... |
| 19:03.48 | KotCzarny | also it's set while compiling kernel |
| 19:04.07 | qwerty12_N800 | initfs would override it? |
| 19:04.21 | KotCzarny | could |
| 19:05.34 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, ive put changes into 2 places: im using a modified acmonitor which switches it to whatever ive configured depending on charge status, and ive got it as a configurable option in liqbase |
| 19:06.02 | lcuk | and sleeping on "powersave" allows me to wake up with a full battery every morning |
| 19:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, maek ur code suk less n itll werk. ;) :P |
| 19:06.09 | qwerty12_N800 | cool :). I have to copy your modification soon :p |
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| 19:07.02 | lcuk | http://pastebin.com/m5cb3a255 copy it now, its nothing special |
| 19:07.26 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks :) |
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| 19:13.30 | lcuk | ok saving a multiline file. am i wise to check the result of each and every fprintf for an error or does most code just assume if it opens in writable mode the data will get written? |
| 19:13.55 | KotCzarny | you can always run out of space |
| 19:13.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:14.24 | lcuk | yer i know, but syntax for that will lose the flow of the code |
| 19:14.50 | lcuk | im just wondering how other code works, i think i need to do a hunt |
| 19:14.50 | KotCzarny | just make an addable return code then check after the loop |
| 19:15.31 | RST38h | qwerty: Any luck with appletizing Conky? =) |
| 19:15.53 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, My sbox is broken :( |
| 19:15.58 | KotCzarny | again? |
| 19:15.59 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:16.09 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:16.20 | qwerty12_N800 | I killed permissions on my linux account :/ |
| 19:16.28 | KotCzarny | do backups |
| 19:16.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:16.34 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm loggin in as root |
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| 19:17.05 | qwerty12_N800 | chown -R user:users /home/faheem dont do jack all too |
| 19:17.26 | KotCzarny | maybe mecause it's kept somewhere else |
| 19:17.33 | KotCzarny | like in /scratchbox/somewhere |
| 19:17.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:18.16 | qwerty12_N800 | I mean on my main user, not sbox :) |
| 19:18.43 | lcuk | ok, google says nobody bothers to check.. |
| 19:19.21 | RST38h | qwerty: You are still using sbox1? |
| 19:19.25 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 19:19.32 | KotCzarny | uses sbox1 |
| 19:19.37 | KotCzarny | works very fine |
| 19:19.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:19.56 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, yes, h8 sb2 |
| 19:20.23 | lcuk | eugh :P scratchbox |
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| 19:20.33 | lcuk | eugh :P sb2 |
| 19:20.37 | qwerty12_N800 | but having a scratchbox set up for faheem is useless if i can't log in as faheem |
| 19:20.43 | lcuk | w0000t \o/ on device compilation |
| 19:20.50 | qwerty12_N800 | meh |
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| 19:21.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:21.20 | qwerty12_N800 | only thing better is no arm emulation :p |
| 19:21.24 | lcuk | having said that im still in vmware |
| 19:22.24 | lcdd | qwerty12_N800: you can fix your homedir by running chown again |
| 19:22.44 | RST38h | loves sb2 and hates sb1 |
| 19:22.51 | RST38h | ugly contraption |
| 19:23.04 | qwerty12_N800 | lcdd, i kept on trying chown :). i'm just gonna do chmod 777 * ... |
| 19:24.23 | KotCzarny | just mv the whole dir and do mkdir /home/faheem |
| 19:24.30 | KotCzarny | then do chown on it |
| 19:24.38 | KotCzarny | and start copying files one by one |
| 19:24.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:24.50 | qwerty12_N800 | yea, may have to, thanks :) |
| 19:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick |
| 19:30.27 | lcdd | qwerty12_N800: i think you should trace back to what your first mistake was before making any new ones.. |
| 19:31.09 | RST38h | qwerty: remove / reinstall = |
| 19:31.14 | lcdd | namely not owning your $HOME :) |
| 19:31.22 | qwerty12_N800 | using su and trying to modify an initfs, i didn't touch permissions directly :) |
| 19:31.35 | KotCzarny | always use su - |
| 19:32.00 | qwerty12_N800 | damn |
| 19:32.04 | qwerty12_N800 | thanks :/ |
| 19:32.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:32.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lcdd, thanks for the suggestions, i'll look into everything |
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| 19:33.03 | lardman | lcuk: thanks |
| 19:33.46 | RST38h | somehow feels like giving the only useful advice =) |
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| 19:34.18 | KotCzarny | rst: i did that before |
| 19:34.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:34.35 | RST38h | heh |
| 19:35.06 | qwerty12_N800 | congratulates nokia for putting up empty nokia diablo extras |
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| 20:01.53 | lcuk | quick q, how would i find a certain line of code in all *.c files in a directory tree? |
| 20:02.15 | KotCzarny | find . -name *.c | grep something |
| 20:02.17 | qwerty12_N800 | grep can do but not sure how |
| 20:02.22 | Paavo_ | with zsh: grep foo **/*.c |
| 20:02.27 | qwerty12_N800 | i use scite for that |
| 20:02.31 | Paavo_ | (if your tree is small enough) |
| 20:02.33 | KotCzarny | erm, xargs grep something |
| 20:02.43 | lcuk | thanks :D |
| 20:02.54 | KotCzarny | probable xargs -e |
| 20:02.57 | lcuk | i knew it had something to do with grep, but didnt know how to start it off |
| 20:03.00 | KotCzarny | but just use mc |
| 20:03.06 | KotCzarny | it has find string in files |
| 20:03.11 | KotCzarny | recursively |
| 20:03.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:03.30 | KotCzarny | and allows you to edit directly |
| 20:04.01 | gnuSnob | i prefer => find . -name \*.c -exec grep -il <something> {} \; |
| 20:04.06 | gnuSnob | s/il/i/ |
| 20:04.10 | lcuk | i use a little filesearch i wrote years ago normally |
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| 20:04.59 | lcuk | and the winner of simplest solution goes to Paavo_ :D |
| 20:05.05 | lcuk | cos it works |
| 20:05.09 | zap | Hello! Anybody remembers which package should be installed in order to have curses terminal description files installed? |
| 20:05.13 | gnuSnob | What is a CNAME record? |
| 20:05.25 | lcuk | an entry in DNS |
| 20:05.28 | KotCzarny | alias |
| 20:05.30 | qwerty12_N800 | zap, ncurses-base |
| 20:05.31 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 20:05.49 | gnuSnob | I'm signing up for google apps, and part of the verification process is that I must create a cname record of googles choosing |
| 20:05.50 | zap | yes, curses-base, TY |
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| 20:08.37 | forge | gnuSnob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNAME |
| 20:09.06 | forge | Sorry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types might help a bit more |
| 20:09.25 | unixSnob_ | thanks |
| 20:10.07 | unixSnob_ | it looks like it's identical to what I thought a hostname was |
| 20:14.34 | forge | Hostname is just what it says, a hostname |
| 20:15.31 | Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20005 ohhhhhhh |
| 20:16.55 | qwerty12_N800 | ahhh! no wait, wrong gender... |
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| 20:20.29 | Italodance | i want fifa 08 for my IT |
| 20:20.49 | KotCzarny | just get a psp |
| 20:20.53 | qwerty12_N800 | +1 |
| 20:21.37 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, you voiced the exact words i was thinking :p |
| 20:21.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:21.53 | Italodance | lol |
| 20:22.56 | qwerty12_N800 | I have a psp, dont really use it anymore. the hb is nothing appealing to me like the apps on maemo are |
| 20:23.26 | unixSnob_ | forge, if I have the hostname blah.domain.net, and I also have the CNAME blah.domain.net pointing to something other than the host "blah", then what happens when blah.domain.net is referenced? |
| 20:23.57 | KotCzarny | b0rkage |
| 20:24.12 | unixSnob_ | Hostnames are followed by .domainname.com - the same convention used by CNAME |
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| 20:29.26 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, you still have the black "themed" initfs_flasher.tar? I want to see if diablo initfs has enough space left over to flash it... :) |
| 20:29.50 | lardman | kulve: you about? |
| 20:31.36 | lardman | kulve: not to worry, found it - poll_disable(task); |
| 20:33.04 | qwerty12_N800 | ah forget it, i just realised linuxrc has too much chhanges. i'll hack up the bootmenu myself for diablo initfs |
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| 20:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, it's 250 miles north of here. ;) |
| 20:37.16 | KotCzarny | so, any news on diablo release date? |
| 20:37.29 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, no worries. i'm gonna have to get on my computer and start up a file comparing session :) |
| 20:39.55 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm upset they never fixed fmradio & bluetooth headset bug :( |
| 20:40.29 | forge | Unix, but blah.domain.net isn't actually a hostname, blah is the host part and domain.net is the domain part of the whole name |
| 20:40.54 | KotCzarny | domain.net is a hostname too |
| 20:40.57 | KotCzarny | or can be |
| 20:41.57 | forge | Well yeah |
| 20:46.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Nokia pulled a sick one with diablo, I have no /etc/hostname o_0 |
| 20:47.09 | KotCzarny | does it matteR? |
| 20:47.11 | forge | :p |
| 20:47.29 | KotCzarny | just make a S99-local-qwerty and do what you want here |
| 20:47.36 | qwerty12_N800 | chinnook has it and ssh looks weird :p |
| 20:47.40 | KotCzarny | (in /etc/rc2.d/) |
| 20:49.22 | lardman | what are the screen dimensions of the N810? |
| 20:49.31 | lardman | 800x480? |
| 20:49.42 | forge | Ya |
| 20:50.20 | lardman | strange, when I fill a 800x480 image using the framebuffer there's a gap at the bottom |
| 20:50.29 | forge | Still waiting for the same concept as 810 but with just a tinytinytiny bit bigger screen and a bit better layout on the keyboard and buttons and more yummy hardware :o |
| 20:50.36 | lardman | and if I fill 400x240, it certainly doesn't take up half the screen height |
| 20:50.53 | KotCzarny | lardman: depends on colorspace |
| 20:50.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.58 | qwerty12_N800 | oddly as it sounds, making hostname speeded up n800 a bit. hosts still has host name from chinook. placebo? |
| 20:51.01 | KotCzarny | and actual res set |
| 20:51.20 | KotCzarny | qwerty: depends on app |
| 20:51.20 | lardman | KotCzarny: so if I want to use RGB565, for example |
| 20:51.53 | lardman | that should be 16bit data, so I'm writing 800x480 16bit unsigned shorts to the framebuffer |
| 20:51.56 | KotCzarny | 16bit * res then i think |
| 20:52.14 | lcuk | lardman |
| 20:52.23 | lardman | lcuk: yep |
| 20:52.24 | lcuk | what mode are you in |
| 20:52.28 | lardman | rgb565 |
| 20:52.54 | lcuk | are you certain and are you accounting for the stride |
| 20:53.43 | KotCzarny | hmm, otoh it's interesting if it's x -> fb -> lcd |
| 20:53.48 | KotCzarny | or another path |
| 20:54.06 | lardman | lcuk: now that I don't know - stride |
| 20:54.21 | lardman | KotCzarny: it's DSP -> fb |
| 20:54.40 | lcuk | the stride is not always present, it depends upon the actual setup of your framebuffer |
| 20:54.54 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 20:55.02 | lcuk | but from what you have described there is one. is the output still garbled |
| 20:55.04 | KotCzarny | lardman: hardware fb or emulated one? |
| 20:55.20 | lardman | lcuk: so that's effectively the gap at the end of each row if you're not filling at the maximum pixel size? |
| 20:55.31 | lcuk | yes |
| 20:55.41 | lardman | KotCzarny: It's the shared memory framebuffer which is then passed to the LCD controller |
| 20:55.47 | lcuk | its what is used as an interline gap for blitters |
| 20:55.50 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 20:56.15 | lcuk | lardman, take a pic of the output (digital camera) |
| 20:56.21 | lardman | lcuk: so I should check and see if the LCD can do 24bit mode, which I think it can, then add a gap to the end of my lines |
| 20:56.33 | lcuk | and if you have a clean source image that its meant to be a similar pic would be good |
| 20:56.38 | KotCzarny | lardman, try writing 800x1px red, then 800x1+0+1, green etc |
| 20:56.48 | KotCzarny | should give a hint of the layout |
| 20:56.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:56.48 | lardman | lcuk: not very exciting, just a block on the screen, correct width, but not height |
| 20:56.58 | lcuk | all one color |
| 20:57.11 | lardman | yes, as it's supposed to be |
| 20:57.16 | lcuk | i have gotten used to staring at similar things when i was writing my blitter code |
| 20:57.43 | lcuk | ahhh, you need a patterned test - as kot suggests - it will help you immensely |
| 20:58.19 | lardman | yeah, well my pattern is actually 10 frames of one colour, then 10 of another, then 10 of another |
| 20:58.28 | lcuk | does your entire code run from the dsp or do you have some fb init code |
| 20:58.39 | lcuk | in std arm |
| 20:58.39 | lardman | but if there's some overlap, it will disappear to fast for me to see I imagine |
| 20:58.55 | KotCzarny | do one frame then? |
| 20:59.03 | lardman | lcuk: all on the dsp, on the arm it creates an empty X window so we can see the output |
| 20:59.15 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 20:59.18 | lcuk | :D its a whole other world in there |
| 20:59.18 | KotCzarny | direct rendering? |
| 20:59.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:59.21 | lcuk | i am impressed |
| 20:59.37 | lardman | don't be yet, it's not working as well as I hoped it might |
| 21:00.48 | lcuk | if you can change your algo to output 4 lines normal and 1 whole line black you get minimum pattern |
| 21:01.16 | lardman | yeah I can do that, am using octave to generate an input file which I then send over |
| 21:01.29 | lcuk | if you are writing too much data to the screen the line will not start/end at the ends, it will spiral |
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| 21:01.54 | lardman | (original goal was to convert & display YV12->YUV420, but have had to take a few steps backwards as only garbage came out) |
| 21:01.55 | KotCzarny | reminds me of planar fun on ami |
| 21:01.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:02.07 | lcuk | i started by creating an incrienting greyscale |
| 21:02.13 | lardman | ok, hang on a few |
| 21:02.17 | lcuk | KotCzarny, :) i think that every day |
| 21:02.36 | KotCzarny | lcuk: how about writing memory visualizer? |
| 21:02.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:02.49 | KotCzarny | should be very simple |
| 21:03.13 | lcuk | wrapped to the screen or a full plane horiz/vertic scrolling |
| 21:03.25 | KotCzarny | configurable width |
| 21:03.28 | KotCzarny | with +/- |
| 21:03.41 | KotCzarny | and movable with dpad |
| 21:03.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:03.43 | lcuk | entirely plausable |
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| 21:03.56 | lcuk | dpad? feck of - kinetic works fucking wonders |
| 21:04.04 | KotCzarny | ahm, sure :) |
| 21:04.09 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:04.09 | lardman | Octave is chugging along |
| 21:04.10 | KotCzarny | forgot about it for a moment |
| 21:04.23 | Gnuton | hi |
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| 21:05.30 | lcuk | back soon, my shed is calling |
| 21:05.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:05.58 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hiding fugitive? :p |
| 21:06.03 | lcuk | KotCzarny, one thing, could you just try somethin for me |
| 21:06.16 | lcuk | what happens if you compile liqbase on normal machine? |
| 21:06.18 | lcuk | can it run |
| 21:06.22 | lcuk | back later... |
| 21:06.25 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:06.32 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:06.36 | KotCzarny | if you use regular sdl |
| 21:06.47 | KotCzarny | and not hw/hildon specific things |
| 21:07.03 | nelson | is the button on the earphones / microphone visible in userspace? |
| 21:07.05 | KotCzarny | you should ifdef the code |
| 21:07.10 | lcuk | all x, this vmware box wont let me and im not diagnosing now, it was just a side thought |
| 21:07.15 | KotCzarny | for nokia specific parts |
| 21:07.19 | lcuk | theres nothing specific hildon |
| 21:07.26 | KotCzarny | touchscreen code? |
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| 21:07.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:07.31 | lcuk | xsp |
| 21:07.32 | KotCzarny | fb code? |
| 21:07.37 | lcuk | NULL |
| 21:07.45 | KotCzarny | then should work |
| 21:07.49 | KotCzarny | without any changes |
| 21:07.50 | lcuk | it uses xv over x |
| 21:08.01 | KotCzarny | assuming your x can do 800x480 mode |
| 21:08.02 | lcuk | could you just see while im codin :) |
| 21:08.02 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 21:08.08 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 21:08.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:08.16 | lcuk | thx :D |
| 21:08.26 | KotCzarny | changed pass on ftp? |
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| 21:10.58 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 21:11.00 | MajMin7 | so |
| 21:11.06 | RST38h | [suddenly waking up] Octave runs on Maemo?!? |
| 21:11.18 | KotCzarny | rst: why shouldn't it? |
| 21:11.31 | MajMin7 | I am now able to compile the GPS hellworld code. but it doesnt seem to do anything |
| 21:11.36 | MajMin7 | has anyone ever used this code before? |
| 21:12.04 | lcuk | no |
| 21:12.05 | RST38h | Kot: no,no, just getting excited about it |
| 21:12.11 | KotCzarny | lcuk: no Xsp on my laptop |
| 21:12.17 | RST38h | it is os2006 only though |
| 21:13.05 | lcuk | MajMin7, no - you baked it yourself from a recipe you found on the net :) |
| 21:13.07 | KotCzarny | and not available in slack packages |
| 21:13.18 | lcuk | ok kot, ill do it another time |
| 21:13.25 | KotCzarny | i will commend xsp code |
| 21:13.26 | lcuk | it was just a ponder |
| 21:14.47 | lcuk | hmmm ftp is up and things havent changed |
| 21:14.52 | lardman | RST38h: yes, but was actually running it on the desktop |
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| 21:15.04 | KotCzarny | 530 login or pass incorrect |
| 21:15.22 | lcuk | yer i see, i just pasted it back into the box, try again |
| 21:15.36 | KotCzarny | ok, worked |
| 21:15.46 | lcuk | 0O mixup? |
| 21:16.00 | KotCzarny | don't know, i just use a bookmark |
| 21:16.02 | KotCzarny | that worked before |
| 21:16.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:16.05 | lcuk | how bizarre |
| 21:16.11 | lcuk | it should still work now |
| 21:16.39 | lcuk | latest is obviously today |
| 21:16.49 | RST38h | lardman: eh... |
| 21:17.10 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 21:17.32 | KotCzarny | i hate us date format |
| 21:17.53 | RST38h | http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,,2279357,00.html |
| 21:17.58 | RST38h | Kot: you are not alone |
| 21:18.00 | lcuk | liqbase-kc_20080511_174524_quickpause.tar.gz |
| 21:18.02 | czr | you have to date yourselves in a specific way KotCzarny? |
| 21:18.22 | RST38h | constantly finds himself wondering which part is the month |
| 21:18.27 | KotCzarny | czr, i'm talking about us locales |
| 21:18.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:18.35 | czr | prefers the chinese date format |
| 21:18.43 | RST38h | It's low in fat, low in food miles and completely free range. In fact, some claim that Sciurus carolinensis - the grey squirrel - is about as ethical a dish as it is possible to serve on a dinner plate! |
| 21:18.46 | lcuk | prefers stardate format |
| 21:18.51 | qwerty12_N800 | british dates for me |
| 21:18.51 | KotCzarny | i like 2008-05-12 |
| 21:18.55 | RST38h | japanese date format has some basis behind it |
| 21:19.00 | RST38h | easy to sort |
| 21:19.00 | czr | KotCzarny, that's the chinese |
| 21:19.13 | RST38h | has switched to British locale too |
| 21:19.15 | czr | although obviously they use additional characters. |
| 21:19.18 | KotCzarny | i would love unixtime date format |
| 21:19.25 | KotCzarny | if i had math skills |
| 21:19.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:19.33 | czr | KotCzarny, and more than 32-bits ;-) |
| 21:19.40 | RST38h | I have been using Russian one for a while, but then Maemo tries to display days of week and months in Russian- rather ugly |
| 21:19.55 | KotCzarny | unixtime could easily be converted to 64bit |
| 21:19.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:19.57 | lcuk | kot, for the kinetic test, you need to copy liqed.c |
| 21:19.58 | RST38h | Kot: In hex, I hope? |
| 21:20.13 | lcuk | thats the fixed file it uses to view |
| 21:20.28 | KotCzarny | copy what from where to where |
| 21:20.39 | lcuk | src folder to where your running it |
| 21:20.46 | KotCzarny | ahm, ok |
| 21:21.44 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:21.51 | KotCzarny | also, you depends on fb |
| 21:22.01 | KotCzarny | or maybe not yet |
| 21:22.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:22.44 | czr | heh, funny koreans: http://koltsoff.com/pub/lcd_usage.png |
| 21:22.54 | czr | (that's from a datasheet I'm reading atm) |
| 21:23.18 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 21:23.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:23.29 | KotCzarny | yeah, lcd is poisonous |
| 21:23.30 | qwerty12_N800 | smashed up screen on n-gage |
| 21:24.01 | czr | yeah but why do they want me to crush them? |
| 21:24.11 | qwerty12_N800 | i still have the bits in drawer :/ |
| 21:24.15 | KotCzarny | for easier lcd removal? |
| 21:24.28 | czr | KotCzarny, it still doesn't make sense :-) |
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| 21:24.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:24.41 | czr | "it is recommended to crush unnecessary LCDs" |
| 21:24.45 | lcuk | no, they want the liquid out of the crystals |
| 21:24.49 | KotCzarny | there is probably a method in this madness |
| 21:24.57 | lcuk | context will help though, wheres the rest |
| 21:24.58 | czr | ah, lcuk that would explain it |
| 21:24.59 | KotCzarny | crystals ARE the liquid |
| 21:25.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:25.09 | czr | that's all that there is to "safety" |
| 21:25.31 | lcuk | a small cell containing something which can expand can also explode |
| 21:25.51 | lardman | RST38h: talking about Octave; sorry for the delay |
| 21:25.52 | lcuk | under the wrong conditions they could be mini bombs? |
| 21:26.11 | lcuk | dont worry lardman, any light yet? |
| 21:26.14 | czr | probably. |
| 21:26.34 | lardman | was chatting to gf, so not sure :) |
| 21:27.11 | lcuk | ahhh, the mysterious lardwoman |
| 21:27.31 | RST38h | who wants to crush LCDs? Samsung? I know why. |
| 21:27.35 | lardman | that will certainly get you in trouble :D |
| 21:27.37 | lcuk | :P omg she will kill me |
| 21:27.41 | czr | RST38h, yes. |
| 21:27.48 | lcuk | you chose the wrong name |
| 21:27.58 | czr | or actually DISPLAYTECH. |
| 21:27.58 | lardman | 'tis true |
| 21:28.21 | lcuk | i think i need to put a bit of a video together |
| 21:28.38 | lcuk | im not gonna get everything i wanted done so will have to sorta stop with what i have |
| 21:28.52 | lardman | right, so I'm writing one black line when the line number is divisible by 4, and the lines are a bit jagged |
| 21:29.13 | lcuk | ok, look at the first one, does the black stop before the end of the pysical first line |
| 21:29.21 | lcuk | or does it appear to extend over past the end |
| 21:29.31 | KotCzarny | lardman: photo pls |
| 21:29.34 | lcuk | or just look at one specific line |
| 21:29.35 | lardman | hmm, hard to tell as I'm writing lots of frames quite quickly |
| 21:29.37 | RST38h | czr: If old LCDs are not destroyed, nobody will buy new LCDs |
| 21:29.38 | KotCzarny | or screenshot |
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| 21:29.44 | MajMin7 | so for the GPS device, do I need to start it with gpsmgr_start(...) before I can use the device? |
| 21:29.45 | czr | RST38h, Har :-) |
| 21:29.46 | KotCzarny | lardman: write one frame |
| 21:29.47 | RST38h | thus, old LCDs are impediment to commerce |
| 21:29.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:30.14 | czr | I'd like to use OLEDs actually |
| 21:30.18 | czr | but they're too expensive. |
| 21:30.20 | RST38h | OLEDs degrade |
| 21:30.23 | czr | so I'm stuck with crappy LCDs. |
| 21:30.24 | lardman | I know, I know; need to alter the code to not destroy the X window immediately |
| 21:30.41 | czr | RST38h, everything degrades! |
| 21:30.44 | lcuk | or just keep it going until you manually stop it |
| 21:30.59 | RST38h | But LCDs with LED backlights are a serious problem - LEDs do not degrade as quickly as old backlight tubes |
| 21:31.07 | lardman | that requires some sort of X events, wasn't going to bother with those |
| 21:31.28 | lcuk | ok then, repeat frame 0 1000 times or long enough to give you a chance |
| 21:31.29 | czr | RST38h, problem for samsung you mean? |
| 21:31.51 | lardman | lcuk: I know, just can't type that fast :) |
| 21:32.07 | lcuk | :P |
| 21:32.38 | RST38h | czr: yep |
| 21:32.43 | lcuk | how do you run the code you just compiled? are you in an ide with a go button, or do you save and run script |
| 21:32.57 | lardman | lcuk: me? |
| 21:33.00 | lcuk | yer |
| 21:33.09 | czr | RST38h, well, the display I'm looking at atm has no backlight. at all. |
| 21:33.12 | lardman | I have to compile it for the dsp, then sftp it over, then run it again |
| 21:33.32 | KotCzarny | lardman: mount your dev dir via sshfs ? :) |
| 21:33.33 | lardman | though in this case I can just alter the arm side code, so scratchbox + sftp + run over ssh |
| 21:33.36 | lcuk | ill show you the script i use, you may be able to adapt to help you |
| 21:33.58 | lardman | KotCzarny: I've got a graphical sftp window so works as well |
| 21:34.16 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 21:34.23 | KotCzarny | but with sshfs mount you don't have to copy anything |
| 21:34.28 | KotCzarny | just run as from local dir |
| 21:34.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:34.55 | KotCzarny | + you can write a debug to the same dir directly |
| 21:34.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.24 | lardman | ah, I see, well I manage to crash the machine every other go, so not sure mounting it is the best idea |
| 21:35.33 | lardman | but I will bear it in mind, thanks |
| 21:35.57 | lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/1016276 i just run that, it makes copies executes and forces a killall when i press ctrl+C from my big keyboard |
| 21:35.59 | KotCzarny | lardman: ssh key with no pass + S99-local in rc |
| 21:36.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:40.26 | KotCzarny | lcuk, pm |
| 21:44.10 | lardman | right, so I have black lines every 10 lines or so now; the ends are jagged. The curious thing is that it looks like I've not written enough data to each line |
| 21:44.31 | lardman | i.e. the right hand end of the black lines is one pixel above the rest of the line |
| 21:46.54 | lardman | is there a screenshot tool for Chinook? |
| 21:47.12 | lcuk | yes but doubful it will work using directfb |
| 21:47.16 | lcuk | t |
| 21:47.42 | lcuk | easiest will be camera if its available |
| 21:47.58 | lardman | yeah, will see what I can manage |
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| 21:52.37 | lardman | ~lart Firefox3 for randomly locking up |
| 21:52.37 | infobot | judo chops Firefox3 for randomly locking up |
| 21:53.10 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0047.JPG it's pretty big - 1.8Mb |
| 21:53.27 | KotCzarny | You don't have permission to access /enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0047.JPG on this server. |
| 21:53.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:53.37 | lardman | hmm, I just got that too |
| 21:53.40 | lardman | hang on a minute |
| 21:55.22 | lardman | try now |
| 21:55.33 | qwerty12_N800 | works :) |
| 21:55.48 | lardman | it had execute permissions for some reason |
| 21:56.14 | MajMin7 | Sooooooo |
| 21:56.26 | Cptnodegard | looks like what mplayer does when you press random buttons |
| 21:56.27 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:56.32 | KotCzarny | looks like a half res |
| 21:56.34 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 21:56.34 | qwerty12_N800 | thought my w810 camera was bad... :p |
| 21:56.46 | lardman | It's set to be 400x240 |
| 21:56.57 | KotCzarny | but screen is set to 800x480 |
| 21:56.57 | lardman | so that I could see if it overran at the edges |
| 21:56.59 | KotCzarny | apparently |
| 21:57.03 | lardman | yes |
| 21:57.17 | lardman | I'm only writing into the top lefthand corner of the fb |
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| 22:02.08 | MajMin7 | hey |
| 22:02.10 | lardman | the step position migrates towards the left as new frames are drawn |
| 22:02.17 | MajMin7 | can anyone tell me why this code doesnt work: |
| 22:02.18 | MajMin7 | http://pastebin.com/m7333a074 |
| 22:02.27 | MajMin7 | The signal handler that I register never fires |
| 22:03.32 | lardman | you've entered your own loop, rather then the gtk event loop? |
| 22:03.45 | MajMin7 | ahhhhhhh |
| 22:03.45 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 22:03.51 | MajMin7 | that sounds plausible |
| 22:03.57 | MajMin7 | so |
| 22:04.06 | MajMin7 | is it possible to use the GPS without using GTK? |
| 22:04.17 | lardman | of course |
| 22:04.34 | lardman | just without a gui, or at least without a maemo-ized gui |
| 22:04.47 | MajMin7 | all of the example code uses glib |
| 22:04.59 | MajMin7 | im not familiar with glib |
| 22:05.02 | MajMin7 | i know pthreads etc |
| 22:05.34 | lardman | in that case: s/gtk event loop/glib event loop |
| 22:05.51 | lardman | what do you want to do? |
| 22:08.38 | MajMin7 | well |
| 22:08.59 | MajMin7 | right now im just trying to demonstrate that I can poll for my gps location |
| 22:09.06 | MajMin7 | and print it |
| 22:09.06 | lcuk | lardman, your initial offset is off, you are either starting -40 bytes too soon (off and above) or you are starting +200, the +200 is less likely because you dont have a bare patch in very top left (both approx) |
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| 22:10.10 | lcuk | if your line lengths were off, the black line would spiral, so it feels more like your initial offset |
| 22:10.25 | lcuk | is it your input data? |
| 22:10.46 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, good news about your n800 (mostly :p) :) |
| 22:10.54 | lardman | lcuk: strange, I'm starting at 0 (i.e. the address of the start of the framebuffer), unless there's something at the start of it? |
| 22:11.10 | lardman | no, input data should be fine (he says) |
| 22:11.16 | KotCzarny | try writing smaller chunks |
| 22:11.21 | KotCzarny | ie. 100px blue |
| 22:11.24 | KotCzarny | 10px black |
| 22:11.27 | KotCzarny | 100px blue |
| 22:11.28 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 22:11.39 | KotCzarny | well, 20px black |
| 22:11.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:11.53 | lardman | ok, will tweak the code |
| 22:12.14 | KotCzarny | or something more dividable |
| 22:12.59 | lcuk | hey, you say it drifts to the left |
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| 22:13.42 | RST38h | sleep. |
| 22:13.51 | lardman | the other confusing thing is that I was trying to make the screen red |
| 22:13.58 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:14.01 | lardman | writing 0xf800 |
| 22:14.06 | lcuk | that would put a dampner on your day |
| 22:14.25 | lardman | I only just noticed that was what the Octave code was supposed to be producing :) |
| 22:14.45 | lcuk | how many bytes does octave output per frame |
| 22:14.58 | lardman | unless I'm being stung by some endianness thing |
| 22:15.11 | lardman | which I probably am now that I come to think about it |
| 22:15.38 | lardman | hmm, though 16bits values are supposed to be littleendian |
| 22:15.45 | lardman | too late in the evening to think that thought |
| 22:15.47 | lardman | through |
| 22:15.49 | lcuk | are they 2*400*240 and does octave put any kind of header information on them |
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| 22:16.13 | lardman | no, I'm just writing with fwrite as a uint16 value |
| 22:16.34 | KotCzarny | write it to a file first |
| 22:16.44 | KotCzarny | and see what's inside |
| 22:16.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:17.15 | lardman | 00 F8 ad infinitum |
| 22:17.57 | MajMin7 | ok |
| 22:18.02 | MajMin7 | so a different question |
| 22:18.05 | lardman | first 00 00 starts at offset 0x3840 |
| 22:18.28 | MajMin7 | the maemo website says that the device which we connect to the GPS has the following members: |
| 22:18.29 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.29 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.29 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.30 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.30 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.31 | MajMin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.48 | MajMin7 | where can i find this documented formally? |
| 22:18.57 | MajMin7 | it doesnt tell me the types of these pointers |
| 22:19.18 | lardman | it's in the gpsd source iirc |
| 22:19.29 | MajMin7 | iirc? |
| 22:19.44 | lardman | at least the Nokia patched version (iirc = if I remember correctly) |
| 22:19.54 | MajMin7 | oh |
| 22:20.06 | MajMin7 | wow |
| 22:20.10 | MajMin7 | i can read their source? |
| 22:20.16 | lardman | KotCzarny: so looks like the file is ok |
| 22:20.17 | MajMin7 | where's that |
| 22:20.26 | KotCzarny | one point of failure less then |
| 22:20.33 | lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/ |
| 22:20.54 | MajMin7 | oh |
| 22:21.01 | lardman | KotCzarny: Will write 10 black, 90 blue/red, repeat |
| 22:21.06 | MajMin7 | i found this once but it looked too cryptic at the time |
| 22:21.20 | KotCzarny | try diff color codes |
| 22:21.25 | KotCzarny | depending on some counter |
| 22:21.36 | KotCzarny | kind of color cube to expect and see the effect |
| 22:21.41 | lcuk | ;) |
| 22:21.53 | lcuk | i can has colorcube? |
| 22:22.03 | lardman | MajMin7: When in doubt, or you don't find something, look under o for osso |
| 22:22.09 | lardman | MajMin7: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/o/osso-gpsd/ |
| 22:22.20 | lcuk | ps, dont try drawing on < 800*480 |
| 22:22.21 | MajMin7 | ahhhhhh |
| 22:22.29 | lardman | lcuk: why not? |
| 22:22.31 | KotCzarny | throws a rubik's cube for a lcuk |
| 22:23.02 | lcuk | sorry lardman not you, ive got a 256*256 colorcube in liqbase and its a bit frisky about resolution changes |
| 22:23.13 | lardman | ok :) |
| 22:23.33 | lcuk | your lines remind me of it :) |
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| 22:25.58 | lardman | http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3897340.ece something like this would be good for LinuxTag |
| 22:26.09 | lardman | or indeed in general |
| 22:27.18 | lcuk | i wanted to have a bluetooth radar for linuxtag :( time is against me |
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| 22:28.08 | lcuk | i was gonna have an app running on my laptop and on my 810 and have then ping all nearby bts |
| 22:28.26 | lardman | sounds like it would have been pretty cool :) |
| 22:28.30 | lcuk | using signal strength i was gonna pick them up |
| 22:28.40 | lcuk | yer, time. |
| 22:29.00 | lcuk | at least ill be able to read while im there :) |
| 22:29.07 | lcuk | and draw |
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| 22:31.47 | Navi | Read and draw? laaaammmmmeee |
| 22:32.13 | Navi | You should be going around with a video camera and asking people what they like to do in their free time |
| 22:33.03 | lardman | I meant to ask, do we need to buy an entry ticket? |
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| 22:33.58 | Navi | Anyone try out mediabox yet? |
| 22:34.20 | Navi | The sound keeps resetting to 50% every time a song changes :/ |
| 22:36.17 | lardman | weird, I did 10 black followed by 90 red/blue repeated 8 times across the screen |
| 22:36.30 | KotCzarny | pic pls |
| 22:36.40 | lardman | I then get black lines going down the screen as expected, but the whole lot moves sideways as each new frame is displayed |
| 22:36.44 | lardman | ok |
| 22:45.02 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0048.JPG |
| 22:45.21 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0049.JPG is better actually |
| 22:45.46 | lardman | now displaying at 800x480, but note the gap at the bottom of the screen |
| 22:46.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh |
| 22:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff |
| 22:46.05 | KotCzarny | so maybe you are starting waaay befor screen? |
| 22:46.10 | KotCzarny | before |
| 22:46.45 | KotCzarny | try moving starting offset by 800 bytes untill you see black at the top? |
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| 22:46.58 | lardman | worth a go |
| 22:47.22 | lardman | aargh, bloody Ubuntu taskbar has locked up |
| 22:47.49 | KotCzarny | maybe the fb is centered on some region |
| 22:48.56 | lardman | any ideas how to change desktop using the keyboard only? |
| 22:49.09 | KotCzarny | ctrl-arrow ? |
| 22:49.14 | KotCzarny | ctrl-alt-arrow ? |
| 22:49.19 | KotCzarny | alt-arrow ? |
| 22:49.58 | lardman | good call, ctrl-alt+arrow |
| 22:50.01 | KotCzarny | switching to console and killing offending app can work too |
| 22:50.13 | lardman | offending app is the desktop though |
| 22:50.17 | KotCzarny | acroread hangs everything for me sometimes |
| 22:50.30 | KotCzarny | but killing it from console is enough |
| 22:50.49 | KotCzarny | then kill the desktop |
| 22:50.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.00 | lardman | ok, so you reckon to change start_x to 800? |
| 22:51.16 | KotCzarny | buf+offset ? |
| 22:51.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.30 | lardman | yep |
| 22:51.49 | KotCzarny | you are already writing to it directly |
| 22:51.57 | KotCzarny | then just write at higher position |
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| 22:52.47 | KotCzarny | blit some digits instead of pixels for optical recognition could help too |
| 22:52.50 | KotCzarny | *blitting |
| 22:52.52 | lcuk | yes, skip the first 10 or 20 lines |
| 22:53.05 | KotCzarny | or even better |
| 22:53.14 | KotCzarny | make a code that will react to key presses |
| 22:53.21 | lcuk | lol no xevents |
| 22:53.22 | lardman | KotCzarny: yeah, I'd need to write some code to get the data for that though |
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| 22:53.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but hw keys should be accessible |
| 22:53.41 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 22:53.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:54.05 | KotCzarny | as a scancodes from a kernel |
| 22:54.06 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 22:54.11 | lardman | Anyway, I'm shattered, time for bed |
| 22:54.28 | KotCzarny | lardman: :) |
| 22:54.34 | lcuk | at least you know you are writing the correct length lines :) |
| 22:54.35 | lardman | I'll have another look tomorrow lunch time and let you know what I find; thanks for your help chaps |
| 22:54.39 | lcuk | its progress, good night |
| 22:55.25 | lcuk | i have all this kind of messing to do whenever i change the blitter |
| 22:56.05 | lardman | strange, closing an xterm took down 4 more + some "explorer" (Galleon?) windows and freed up my desktop |
| 22:56.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:56.19 | KotCzarny | probably started from there |
| 22:56.30 | lardman | yeah, will do more experimenting tomorrow when I can think straight :) |
| 22:56.31 | lardman | night |
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