| 00:00.57 | lcuk | jott :) you are such a fountain of knowledge, but that doesnt exist on my 810 |
| 00:01.26 | jott | lcuk: well read the changelog of diablo gpsdriver :) |
| 00:01.36 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, flash it :p. get sum northern courage :p |
| 00:01.45 | jott | and read the binary to find something like /system/osso/supl/pos_longitude .. |
| 00:01.49 | lcuk | i didnt mean the gps.. |
| 00:01.53 | jott | ah :) |
| 00:01.58 | jott | hm |
| 00:01.59 | jott | strange |
| 00:02.07 | jott | maybe some apps i installed created it |
| 00:02.11 | lcuk | im not updating to diablo yet, i need a stable system for linuxtag |
| 00:02.21 | jott | but it's actually the saner approach |
| 00:02.35 | lcuk | the sanest approach would be not needing it at all |
| 00:02.38 | jott | (if you put it in your deb the dir will be created) |
| 00:02.46 | jott | well given the circumstances :) |
| 00:02.58 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12_N800: how did you get rid of the conflicting distribution message? |
| 00:03.05 | lcuk | has the cpufreq been adjusted for diablo |
| 00:03.12 | lcuk | i heard it was gonna be |
| 00:03.18 | qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, I didn't have one |
| 00:03.25 | EruditeHermit | in apt-get |
| 00:03.27 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, how to check? |
| 00:03.55 | lcuk | i would say can you see stars, just a minute ill get a test build ready |
| 00:04.29 | qwerty12_N800 | ok |
| 00:04.31 | lcuk | oh feck it, im too tired |
| 00:04.53 | lcuk | ive got stuff i wanna do and cant sidetrack - ill get one ready tomorrow or somethin |
| 00:05.04 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, i'm tired too |
| 00:05.10 | KotCzarny | not |
| 00:05.25 | KotCzarny | but i'm hungry otoh |
| 00:05.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:05.47 | qwerty12_N800 | when me and lcuk aren't tired, the rest of you are sleeping ;p |
| 00:06.16 | lcuk | yer, while you lot were sleeping i was out feeding the ducks |
| 00:06.32 | qwerty12_N800 | finger recognition works well |
| 00:06.43 | lcuk | .|.. |
| 00:06.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 00:06.56 | qwerty12_N800 | ||.. |
| 00:07.00 | flo_lap | is feeding something other than ducks ;) |
| 00:07.01 | KotCzarny | _.|.. |
| 00:07.02 | lcuk | V.. |
| 00:07.20 | qwerty12_N800 | ||.. ||.. |
| 00:07.24 | doc|home | V ~o=== |
| 00:07.27 | lcuk | |..| o |..| |
| 00:07.29 | doc|home | gets his coat |
| 00:07.29 | jott | |X| |
| 00:07.40 | KotCzarny | your head is smaller than your fingers? |
| 00:07.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:07.48 | qwerty12_N800 | 3<========8 |
| 00:07.50 | lcuk | ive got those foam hands :D |
| 00:08.12 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12_N800: how do I disable the thing that causes the repeated reboots? |
| 00:08.14 | KotCzarny | http://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/index.html |
| 00:08.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:08.27 | lcuk | EruditeHermit, uninstall Vista and get ubuntu |
| 00:08.38 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, foam? sorry, i'm being a dirty shit... |
| 00:08.40 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: already have it |
| 00:08.46 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: never had vista |
| 00:09.06 | qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, use flasher to set rd flag no-lifeguard-reset |
| 00:09.17 | lcuk | but better to find the reason for the resets |
| 00:09.42 | qwerty12_N800 | maybe because dsme is getting replaced? |
| 00:10.20 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: the diablo ugprade is the reason |
| 00:11.52 | qwerty12_N800 | flash performance is much better |
| 00:12.52 | EruditeHermit | sweet |
| 00:12.56 | EruditeHermit | I reflashed |
| 00:12.59 | EruditeHermit | so here it goes |
| 00:13.21 | qwerty12_N800 | see if you can install plug-in in chinook with microb svn |
| 00:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's the Diablo upgrade |
| 00:13.53 | GeneralAntilles | Things that the watchdog watches for are getting upgraded |
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| 00:15.29 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12_N800: I tried it |
| 00:15.45 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12_N800: the flash player plugin from diablo didn't work with default chinook microb |
| 00:16.04 | KotCzarny | upgrade microb as well? |
| 00:16.06 | qwerty12_N800 | ah. what about with microb svn? |
| 00:16.34 | EruditeHermit | didn't try it with microb svn |
| 00:16.45 | EruditeHermit | microb svn messes up the apt package manager |
| 00:16.50 | EruditeHermit | because you have to force depends |
| 00:16.56 | qwerty12_N800 | it's much more closer to diablo |
| 00:17.06 | qwerty12_N800 | I edited status file |
| 00:17.21 | GeneralAntilles | The svn is much nicer than the Diablo microb right now |
| 00:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | Any stuck the svn engine in Diablo yet> |
| 00:17.30 | qwerty12_N800 | agreed |
| 00:17.41 | qwerty12_N800 | I haven't tried |
| 00:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | The keyboard behaviors are completely borked. |
| 00:17.50 | EruditeHermit | I'll try after I manage to upgrade |
| 00:17.52 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm too scared to reflashed |
| 00:17.56 | EruditeHermit | I just screwed it up again =p |
| 00:18.07 | EruditeHermit | but its ok I know why |
| 00:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | diablo h8tz EruditeHermit |
| 00:18.32 | qwerty12_N800 | copy and paste is messed up with hildon-input-method |
| 00:18.37 | qwerty12_N800 | in microb |
| 00:19.20 | qwerty12_N800 | can't wait to try aptitude and synaptic again in diablo |
| 00:20.39 | KotCzarny | Cluttered APIs, dependency hell |
| 00:20.39 | KotCzarny | As proteins interact in the cell, they rely on eachothers' characteristics. It has just been shown that proteins that interact with a lot of other proteins cannot evolve, or at least, only do so at a very slow rate. See Nature, 28 June 2001, and M. Kimura, T. Ohta, Science, 26 April 2002. |
| 00:20.46 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 00:20.54 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, theres another unlocked meta package with tr on it and all it does differently is install less :/ |
| 00:22.27 | KotCzarny | The Central Dogma: .c -> .o -> a.out/.exe |
| 00:22.32 | KotCzarny | This dogma tells us that DNA is used to make RNA and that RNA is used to make proteins, which is like saying that from a .c file comes a .o object file, which can be compiled into an executable (a.out/exe). It also tells us that this is the only order in which information flows. |
| 00:23.27 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: how are the keyboards borked? |
| 00:26.46 | KotCzarny | Some code is sacred. We may not remember who wrote it, or why - we just know that it works. The guy who thought it up may have left the company already. Such code is not to be tinkered with. |
| 00:27.05 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you should read this article, very interesting pov :) |
| 00:27.26 | Navi | modest working for anyone? |
| 00:27.32 | EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: is that what happened at microsoft? |
| 00:27.38 | Navi | anyone with the diablo beta, anyways |
| 00:27.40 | KotCzarny | nope, dna |
| 00:27.44 | qwerty12_N800 | is for me, diablo version |
| 00:28.25 | qwerty12_N800 | laughs at those nokia employees showing off they were using diablo :p |
| 00:28.35 | Navi | :P |
| 00:28.44 | Navi | I just get internal errors |
| 00:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's hard to activate the fullscreen keyboard with the dpad and return on the fullscreen keyboard does funky things |
| 00:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | like send blank searches to google. :\ |
| 00:29.36 | qwerty12_N800 | ah, now you mention it Navi, I do get internal errors after a while |
| 00:30.19 | qwerty12_N800 | They should name it modest - having 2 E-mail's is stupid |
| 00:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the idea is to get rid of osso-email. ;) |
| 00:30.50 | Navi | I _always_ get internal errors |
| 00:31.03 | Navi | I can't even launch modist |
| 00:31.05 | Navi | modist |
| 00:31.07 | Navi | ffs |
| 00:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | Modest hates Navi |
| 00:31.12 | Navi | s/modist/modest |
| 00:31.34 | qwerty12_N800 | I can launch it fine, just craps out on me after a while |
| 00:32.24 | qwerty12_N800 | send nitro report :p |
| 00:32.32 | KotCzarny | Now, DNA is not like a computer programming language. It really isn't. But there are some whopping analogies. We can view each cell as a CPU, running its own kernel. Each cell has a copy of the entire kernel, but choses to activate only the relevant parts. Which modules or drivers it loads, so to speak. |
| 00:32.56 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm keeping nitro, it even tells you process name that messed up |
| 00:33.17 | lcdd | KotCzarny: fun article |
| 00:33.22 | KotCzarny | lcdd: yeah |
| 00:33.31 | KotCzarny | biology that i can understand a little |
| 00:33.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:34.00 | KotCzarny | well, more like genetics than biology |
| 00:34.46 | lcdd | it's no wonder that some coders turn into bioinformaticians |
| 00:34.54 | KotCzarny | now let's count cells in the body and laugh at quad cores |
| 00:34.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:35.33 | EruditeHermit | signals are sent by currents and changes in membrane potential |
| 00:36.42 | KotCzarny | bootstrapping paragraph is funny |
| 00:36.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:37.15 | KotCzarny | The same holds for the genome. To create a new 'binary' of a specimen, a *living* copy is required. The genome needs an elaborate toolchain in order to deliver a living thing. The code itself is impotent. This toolchain is commonly called 'your parents'. |
| 00:40.31 | qwerty12_N800 | jott, does bme daemon depend on anything else? I'm gonna try extract diablo one and insert it into chinook initfs |
| 00:42.58 | jott | qwerty12_N800: well it depends on dsme so you probably need to put that up too :/ |
| 00:43.43 | qwerty12_N800 | ok, thanks. i don't know why nokia put out half arsed initfs |
| 00:44.00 | KotCzarny | because it's not official yet? |
| 00:44.23 | jott | maybe it wil work with the desktop flasher?! |
| 00:44.39 | qwerty12_N800 | but it's meant to be tested as well, you may as well leave it out |
| 00:48.54 | qwerty12_N800 | night, i'm very tired |
| 00:49.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:03.56 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: did you do the upgrade over SSH or from a terminal inside the tablet? |
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| 01:13.00 | EruditeHermit | does anyone know what hte default user password is on a fresh install? |
| 01:13.08 | KotCzarny | none |
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| 01:23.08 | KotCzarny | http://www.kottke.org/08/01/the-27000-apple-computer |
| 01:23.09 | KotCzarny | hehehe |
| 01:31.27 | fysa | Iron Man was enjoyable. |
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| 01:55.52 | lcuk | KotCzarny, changing resolution and cpufreq changes in program, you can see exactly whats needed and even on powersave can find a resolution which scrolls well |
| 01:56.10 | KotCzarny | lcuk: is it bad or good? |
| 01:56.45 | KotCzarny | and read the article i posted :) |
| 01:57.16 | lcuk | article? |
| 01:57.19 | lcuk | ive been in the shed |
| 01:57.22 | LinuxCode | hey lcuk ;-D |
| 01:57.27 | KotCzarny | http://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/index.html |
| 01:57.28 | lcuk | hi there LinuxCode |
| 01:57.29 | KotCzarny | here you are |
| 01:57.29 | LinuxCode | hey KotCzarny ;-D |
| 01:57.40 | LinuxCode | how you guys doing ? |
| 01:57.47 | LinuxCode | havent been here for a bit again |
| 01:57.52 | LinuxCode | got exams going atm |
| 01:57.53 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 01:58.42 | lcuk | LinuxCode, im doing great, ive been invited by nokia to go to linuxtag and talk about my little nit |
| 01:59.00 | lcuk | holds aloft his tiny thing and waits for a gps lock |
| 01:59.08 | lcuk | gets tired |
| 01:59.16 | LinuxCode | lcuk, sweet |
| 01:59.23 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 01:59.26 | LinuxCode | gps lock |
| 01:59.30 | lcuk | indeed it is, and ive been playing with some rendering code which flies |
| 01:59.31 | LinuxCode | that sounds kind of familair |
| 01:59.38 | LinuxCode | openglea ? |
| 01:59.43 | LinuxCode | or whatever its called ? |
| 02:00.07 | lcuk | no, just a very basic graphics library that feels quick |
| 02:01.02 | lcuk | and kot, its a good thing |
| 02:01.35 | lcuk | being able to choose from the interface is a nice thing |
| 02:01.38 | LinuxCode | I need to check for new appz soon |
| 02:01.44 | LinuxCode | I had no time to pay any attention |
| 02:01.50 | LinuxCode | still ahvent tested the fedora arm port either |
| 02:02.01 | LinuxCode | Uni eats ya life away |
| 02:02.05 | LinuxCode | and brain cells |
| 02:02.10 | LinuxCode | getting too old for that non-sense |
| 02:02.18 | LinuxCode | 2 weeks and Im finished! |
| 02:02.22 | LinuxCode | back to the real world! |
| 02:02.24 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 02:02.28 | lcuk | what ya been studyin |
| 02:03.03 | LinuxCode | BSc Computer Science |
| 02:03.05 | LinuxCode | what else |
| 02:03.07 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 02:03.13 | KotCzarny | bull sh*t cs ? |
| 02:03.15 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 02:03.17 | LinuxCode | yep |
| 02:03.19 | LinuxCode | bullshit cs |
| 02:03.25 | LinuxCode | theory bollox |
| 02:03.43 | LinuxCode | seriously...if I had done some of the things I handed in for work... |
| 02:03.51 | LinuxCode | in a real world work environment |
| 02:03.52 | KotCzarny | well, if you wanted more practical way you should have gone to technology school |
| 02:03.57 | LinuxCode | I would have gotten the sack |
| 02:03.58 | KotCzarny | or whatever it's called |
| 02:04.08 | EruditeHermit | raped is what its called |
| 02:04.10 | LinuxCode | KotCzarny, you need a degree in the UK |
| 02:04.19 | LinuxCode | theres no way around it |
| 02:04.29 | LinuxCode | + you get BCS accredited |
| 02:04.46 | lcuk | ? |
| 02:05.04 | LinuxCode | British Computer Society |
| 02:05.19 | lcuk | what do you need a degree for, i would look for competence |
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| 02:05.28 | LinuxCode | lcuk, true |
| 02:05.40 | LinuxCode | but the Government is snobbish |
| 02:05.44 | EruditeHermit | you can't get any jobs without stuff to put on a resume |
| 02:05.46 | EruditeHermit | or CV |
| 02:05.46 | LinuxCode | and some companies too |
| 02:05.53 | LinuxCode | most go by what you can do! |
| 02:06.05 | LinuxCode | EruditeHermit, yeh |
| 02:06.12 | LinuxCode | its a bit of both worlds you need |
| 02:06.19 | EruditeHermit | yep |
| 02:06.26 | LinuxCode | please the snobs and please the hackers |
| 02:06.29 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 02:06.29 | EruditeHermit | your competence is tested at the interview |
| 02:07.47 | unixSnob | awaits someone to please him |
| 02:08.19 | LinuxCode | EruditeHermit, thats more self-marketing skills |
| 02:08.21 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 02:08.39 | LinuxCode | hah! I was at a BCS meeting and a recruitment guy was there |
| 02:08.53 | LinuxCode | he said...students think because they got a degree they will get a job |
| 02:08.55 | LinuxCode | so funny |
| 02:09.05 | LinuxCode | they expect they will get a job |
| 02:09.14 | LinuxCode | so funny |
| 02:09.20 | LinuxCode | I laughed when he said that |
| 02:09.30 | lcuk | have you got anywhere in mind |
| 02:09.30 | LinuxCode | some people need a reality check |
| 02:09.37 | LinuxCode | lcuk, for work ? |
| 02:09.41 | lcuk | yer |
| 02:09.53 | LinuxCode | well, I was asked to call that same recruitment guy when Im done |
| 02:10.01 | LinuxCode | but havent had time yet to check elsewhere |
| 02:10.06 | LinuxCode | get these exams out the way |
| 02:11.02 | LinuxCode | then Ive been invited to attend ipics 2008 |
| 02:11.09 | LinuxCode | fully funded |
| 02:11.14 | LinuxCode | so we will see |
| 02:11.45 | LinuxCode | lcuk, all I know is that I do not want to work with winblows |
| 02:11.48 | LinuxCode | thats all |
| 02:11.49 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 02:12.06 | unixSnob | LinuxCode: what part of the world are we talking about? |
| 02:12.13 | LinuxCode | UK |
| 02:12.39 | unixSnob | LinuxCode: I've got the same criteria.. no windows |
| 02:13.02 | LinuxCode | thats what ya name implies lol |
| 02:13.07 | LinuxCode | nice nick by the way! |
| 02:13.08 | unixSnob | Although Windows still appears in every workplace darn near.. for collaboration. But it's the dev environment that matters |
| 02:13.09 | lcuk | and yours :) |
| 02:13.34 | LinuxCode | hehe ta |
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| 02:14.13 | lcuk | depending upon what you end up wanting LinuxCode, you can still work with windows, just look for a sane multi platform solution and be ready for the change |
| 02:14.36 | unixSnob | My last project became an effort to port a solaris app to windows. I was disgusted. It was a safety critical app too. |
| 02:14.50 | LinuxCode | lcuk, agreed |
| 02:15.01 | LinuxCode | unixSnob, how ironic mate |
| 02:15.07 | LinuxCode | HOW IRONIC! |
| 02:15.09 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 02:15.23 | LinuxCode | scada critical ? |
| 02:15.29 | LinuxCode | or not that bad ? |
| 02:15.43 | unixSnob | If you focus on the aerospace / defense industry, generally the target platform will be non-windows |
| 02:16.22 | unixSnob | Not sure what scada is.. I've seen that term in some of the british job listings i've been looking at |
| 02:16.48 | unixSnob | Because my background is in Ada, Scada comes up in my searches :< |
| 02:16.51 | lcuk | im heading back into the shed |
| 02:17.00 | KotCzarny | lcuk: read the article |
| 02:17.03 | KotCzarny | it's fun |
| 02:17.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:18.08 | unixSnob | BTW, I think in the US if you have a degree, you get a job. Not many CS majors sitting on the bench AFAIK |
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| 02:18.41 | lcuk | holy crap dude, thats intense |
| 02:19.00 | LinuxCode | scada is critical infrastructure like nuclear powerplants, gas, water, etc.. |
| 02:19.39 | LinuxCode | unixSnob, well....this is the UK |
| 02:19.41 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 02:19.53 | LinuxCode | shortage of people...but they all want to not train people |
| 02:19.58 | lcuk | you would be surprised at how many companies need developers |
| 02:19.59 | LinuxCode | quite silly really |
| 02:20.07 | LinuxCode | they want ready bred power clones |
| 02:20.19 | LinuxCode | that know all to be known |
| 02:20.20 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 02:20.26 | LinuxCode | with 99 years experience |
| 02:20.30 | unixSnob | well students who can score internships have quite an advantage |
| 02:20.38 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 02:20.42 | KotCzarny | yeah, 99 years of experience on technology 2 years old |
| 02:20.43 | LinuxCode | get ya foot in the door |
| 02:20.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:20.54 | LinuxCode | KotCzarny, exactly |
| 02:20.55 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 02:21.18 | LinuxCode | id do an internship ...if I could do it at a place with my dream position |
| 02:21.19 | unixSnob | the heading on my resume out of college was "new talent with experience".. got flooded with calls, and flown around the country to interviews |
| 02:21.31 | LinuxCode | id live under a bridge if need be |
| 02:21.37 | LinuxCode | for a year or so ;p |
| 02:21.38 | unixSnob | the internship made a big difference, i believe |
| 02:21.52 | LinuxCode | probably did mate |
| 02:22.00 | LinuxCode | 75% of employers want experience |
| 02:22.04 | LinuxCode | and a 2.1 |
| 02:22.07 | KotCzarny | isn't internship refunded for employers? |
| 02:22.09 | KotCzarny | or something? |
| 02:22.12 | LinuxCode | 2.2 with more experience is alos ok |
| 02:22.26 | LinuxCode | ok-ish |
| 02:22.30 | lcuk | the other 25% know you through the social ladder |
| 02:22.38 | LinuxCode | lcuk, hehe |
| 02:22.50 | unixSnob | KotCzarny: not sure what you mean by refunded. |
| 02:23.03 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: tax cuts etc ? |
| 02:23.12 | KotCzarny | for giving job to a freshman |
| 02:23.18 | lcuk | seriously, smile sweetly at auty polly and she will have a word with frank who will speak to doris and your name will come up when a job needs doing |
| 02:23.25 | unixSnob | My employer paid me 17 USD/hr on an internship, and AFAIK they didn't get that money back.. and it was quite a deal for them. |
| 02:24.08 | unixSnob | KotCzarny: I think there are enough built-in incentives that the employer doesn't need outside incentives |
| 02:24.25 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:24.29 | unixSnob | A lot of interns end up staying with their employers after they get the degree |
| 02:24.42 | unixSnob | and it's cheap labor until then |
| 02:25.15 | lcuk | yer |
| 02:26.20 | KotCzarny | "One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man." |
| 02:26.21 | KotCzarny | - Elbert Hubbard |
| 02:27.18 | unixSnob | One of the advantages to bringing in interns is that interns often update the techniques - they bring more current ideas to the table, so the companies overall knowledge doesn't get out of date |
| 02:28.23 | unixSnob | damn i hope that's not a brown recluse that just crawled onto my screen |
| 02:30.52 | LinuxCode | nice I just had a slug as present lol |
| 02:30.55 | LinuxCode | silly cat |
| 02:31.57 | LinuxCode | unixSnob, in the Uk they want you to adopt their companies philosophy |
| 02:32.12 | LinuxCode | which is why they want you in the 20's with a good degree and experience |
| 02:32.26 | KotCzarny | and high hopes |
| 02:32.28 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:32.30 | LinuxCode | haha yeh |
| 02:32.46 | KotCzarny | and low maintenance |
| 02:32.49 | KotCzarny | :P |
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| 02:32.56 | unixSnob | LinuxCode: yeah, i've noticed that with some companies here.. pisses me off when the force old techniques on students who have been taught better ways |
| 02:33.08 | unixSnob | s/the/they/ |
| 02:33.41 | lcuk | but those old techniques are important |
| 02:33.49 | KotCzarny | http://bp2.blogger.com/_hNz3Mz_uViA/R5LsmQaxNhI/AAAAAAAAAgw/ZhUcf6_dX1Q/s1600-h/shadows.jpg |
| 02:33.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:33.54 | lcuk | you cannot just throw out and replace entire code bases |
| 02:34.02 | LinuxCode | lcuk, agreed |
| 02:34.13 | unixSnob | Students are taught about how to avoid mistakes that are being made in industry now, and then they forced to repeat the mistakes |
| 02:34.22 | LinuxCode | I think the issue in the Uk is that they do stuff bit by bit in uni modules |
| 02:34.28 | LinuxCode | they should do it once and properly |
| 02:34.35 | LinuxCode | but that would lose them students |
| 02:34.42 | lcuk | EVERY project starts off like that |
| 02:34.50 | LinuxCode | as unis rely on student numbers for funding these days |
| 02:35.05 | LinuxCode | if student fail or drop out after year one they are stuffed |
| 02:35.12 | unixSnob | Unless it's a more progressive company, like JPL |
| 02:35.21 | LinuxCode | the disadvantages of university fee based systems |
| 02:35.35 | LinuxCode | In germany its sink or swim |
| 02:35.42 | LinuxCode | simple as that |
| 02:35.56 | lcuk | you always want it to go well and smoothly, but people start to use and enjoy your code. ANY full rewrite will change that. once a user knows how to use a program they will continue to use it and only screw up when you change it |
| 02:36.09 | unixSnob | JPL recognizes that students have new ideas to offer, and they bring interns and entry levels in for that reason.. |
| 02:36.35 | KotCzarny | api bondage |
| 02:36.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:39.19 | unixSnob | Legacy products can really be improved.. and with very little effort. Eg. I worked a project where variables are named like ASRTWGSF. All of them. It was fortran code converted to Ada. I ran a sed script that made all the variables readable (after their meaning was discovered). The code was much better after that. |
| 02:40.00 | KotCzarny | 8 chars limit, mmm |
| 02:40.19 | unixSnob | There was an old man on the team who knew what ASDFASDW meant, and I had to fight him on every change I made |
| 02:40.37 | unixSnob | yeah, no identifier exceeded 8 chars when I came to the project |
| 02:40.56 | unixSnob | but Ada has no such limit. |
| 02:41.22 | LinuxCode | unixSnob, lol |
| 02:41.22 | KotCzarny | current fortran compilers neither |
| 02:41.22 | LinuxCode | but butbut I like hierglyohic code |
| 02:41.33 | LinuxCode | DNDIKJDSIODjhisdjsdjsdj = ksjdlsjdfspofjspofdsdf; |
| 02:41.37 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 02:41.38 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 02:41.48 | KotCzarny | tn=jk; |
| 02:41.49 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 02:41.55 | KotCzarny | then reusing jk |
| 02:41.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:42.14 | KotCzarny | usual fun trap for others |
| 02:42.36 | unixSnob | The other thing is, all these variables were *globals*, publicly accessible by all the code in the system |
| 02:42.53 | KotCzarny | globals are fun |
| 02:43.10 | unixSnob | So I encapsulated things, lowered the scope as much as possible.. and again, it pissed off the old man |
| 02:43.10 | LinuxCode | globals arent really an issue |
| 02:43.15 | LinuxCode | input/output is |
| 02:43.31 | LinuxCode | but yeh |
| 02:43.37 | unixSnob | The gray hair was not familiar w/ new techniques, or their benefits |
| 02:43.38 | LinuxCode | globals should still be avoided |
| 02:43.57 | LinuxCode | makes debugging fun if you use the same var |
| 02:43.58 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 02:44.02 | LinuxCode | doh! |
| 02:44.08 | KotCzarny | bug hunting too |
| 02:44.27 | KotCzarny | i usually use tmp as a name for a variable that i reuse often |
| 02:44.31 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:44.46 | KotCzarny | so i know no to hang on it too long |
| 02:44.47 | lcuk | only store single instance variables globally, if there is the slightest hint that you might use a certain named variable around, use it locally |
| 02:45.09 | KotCzarny | how about configuration flags? |
| 02:45.37 | KotCzarny | probably some function is better than global variable |
| 02:45.44 | lcuk | single instance, option_turbo could be a global, but tmp wouldnt be |
| 02:45.59 | KotCzarny | yeah, i never use reusable variables as global |
| 02:46.13 | KotCzarny | i keep trash tidy |
| 02:46.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:48.14 | unixSnob | My main point is that most entry level candidates are bring advanced techniques to employers -- who often force them to do things the undisciplined sloppy way, and it's damaging to both the company and the employee. I hate to see it happen, and it's very common |
| 02:48.35 | KotCzarny | well |
| 02:48.40 | KotCzarny | everything has it's time and place |
| 02:48.46 | KotCzarny | that's called experience |
| 02:48.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:49.31 | unixSnob | An experienced, competent employer takes an approach like JPL.. embrace the new ideas |
| 02:50.17 | KotCzarny | A typical mattress is home to 100,000 to 10 million dust mites. |
| 02:50.21 | KotCzarny | If that's not enough to gross you out, consider this: dead mites and their droppings constitute one-tenth of the weight of a two-year-old pillow. Oh, and what exactly do they eat? Dead human skin cells. |
| 02:50.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:50.28 | KotCzarny | 1/10? |
| 02:50.29 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 02:50.49 | KotCzarny | i can hardly believe |
| 02:53.20 | unixSnob | anyone here attempt to run the maemo sandbox within a branded Solaris linux zone? |
| 02:56.18 | KotCzarny | http://www.slashgear.com/portable-pc-has-3-monitors-075636.php |
| 02:56.19 | KotCzarny | w00t |
| 02:56.26 | unixSnob | is bummed he missed the amazon deal for 10 Plextor DVD burners for $111 USD |
| 02:56.39 | KotCzarny | dvd? |
| 02:56.42 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 02:56.58 | KotCzarny | skipped whole cd/dvd/bluray thing |
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| 02:57.58 | midwinter | can someone help me with a problem with Personal Menu? |
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| 03:11.47 | pupnik | I'd like a notebook with fold-out triple display |
| 03:11.54 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:12.24 | lcuk | just get an r2 unit and use your NIT as datasource |
| 03:13.33 | KotCzarny | mmm.. swiss cheese |
| 03:16.07 | LinuxCode | k guys |
| 03:16.11 | LinuxCode | time for bed |
| 03:16.18 | LinuxCode | talk to you all soon |
| 03:16.20 | LinuxCode | hopefully |
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| 03:30.53 | lcuk | gnite folks, my bed is calling |
| 03:30.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:52.09 | Livingroom | hay guys |
| 04:52.31 | Livingroom | when i do sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -uM |
| 04:52.38 | Livingroom | i get This disk is currently in use - repartitioning is probably a bad idea. |
| 04:52.47 | Livingroom | what should i do? i unmounted and unswapped it |
| 04:52.59 | KotCzarny | probably it's still mounted |
| 04:53.06 | KotCzarny | mount |grep mmc |
| 04:53.38 | Livingroom | dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) |
| 04:53.54 | KotCzarny | any further questions? |
| 04:53.59 | Livingroom | ... |
| 04:54.03 | Livingroom | thats mmcp1 |
| 04:54.07 | Livingroom | i'm doing blk0 |
| 04:54.11 | KotCzarny | wrong. |
| 04:54.15 | Livingroom | err |
| 04:54.16 | KotCzarny | and you are blind |
| 04:54.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:54.18 | Livingroom | ? |
| 04:54.29 | KotCzarny | that's partition 1 on disk 0 |
| 04:54.37 | KotCzarny | and you try to partition disk 0 |
| 04:54.57 | Livingroom | o i c |
| 04:55.02 | Livingroom | how do i unmount it then? |
| 04:55.09 | KotCzarny | doh.. |
| 04:55.14 | KotCzarny | umount /media/mmc2 |
| 04:55.35 | Livingroom | o i c |
| 04:56.28 | Livingroom | now it's complaining about nothing being set bootable |
| 04:56.40 | Livingroom | aha! i repartitioned an SD |
| 04:56.54 | Livingroom | sweet |
| 04:57.59 | Livingroom | doing the clone thingy |
| 04:58.07 | KotCzarny | don't forget to leave a vfat partition, big or small doesn't matter |
| 04:59.06 | Livingroom | yeah |
| 04:59.09 | Livingroom | i left one ~500mb |
| 04:59.24 | Livingroom | 2gb card gets 1.5gb to e2fs or whatever and then vfat is whatever is left |
| 04:59.41 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 04:59.45 | KotCzarny | vfat must be first |
| 04:59.54 | KotCzarny | then anything you want |
| 04:59.56 | Livingroom | i followed steps online |
| 05:00.03 | Livingroom | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81635#post81635 |
| 05:00.05 | Livingroom | these steps |
| 05:00.35 | KotCzarny | i don't care about steps, as long vfat partition has a number 1 |
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| 05:01.33 | Livingroom | k |
| 05:02.26 | Livingroom | i love to rm -rf things |
| 05:03.46 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 05:03.51 | KotCzarny | you are going to format it |
| 05:03.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:03.59 | Livingroom | yeah |
| 05:04.00 | Livingroom | but |
| 05:04.03 | Livingroom | i had to rm-rf some stuff |
| 05:06.36 | Livingroom | hmmm |
| 05:06.44 | Livingroom | one of the steps says to know how to reflash the device in the normal way, if this fails |
| 05:06.53 | Livingroom | i do not know how to reflash the device. |
| 05:07.49 | Livingroom | hmm, can it be reflashed with windows? |
| 05:07.54 | Livingroom | all the howtos say linux |
| 05:08.11 | KotCzarny | for windows you just use windows flasher instead linux one |
| 05:08.23 | KotCzarny | and everything else stays the same as in linux version |
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| 05:10.13 | Livingroom | i cant seem to find the windows flasher |
| 05:11.13 | KotCzarny | no comment |
| 05:11.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:11.18 | Livingroom | heh |
| 05:12.01 | Livingroom | dont tell me i need cygwin or something |
| 05:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia support site, Livingroom. . . . |
| 05:12.08 | GeneralAntilles | Or . . . google |
| 05:12.20 | Livingroom | google isnt helping, tonight |
| 05:12.26 | Livingroom | google wants to give me lots of info on how to flash |
| 05:12.30 | Livingroom | like, camera flashes are on sale |
| 05:12.35 | Livingroom | flash memory prices are coming down |
| 05:12.40 | Livingroom | oh! and i can flash with linux, apparently |
| 05:12.43 | GeneralAntilles | Your google-fu is weak |
| 05:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 |
| 05:13.30 | Livingroom | oh |
| 05:13.34 | Livingroom | so it IS the software "UPDATE" |
| 05:13.49 | GeneralAntilles | . . . |
| 05:15.49 | Livingroom | hmm |
| 05:15.55 | Livingroom | there's a second release, i wonder if mine is updated to that |
| 05:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | You can check in control panel |
| 05:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | N800s ship with OS2007 |
| 05:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | 51-3 is only a NOLO update |
| 05:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | If you're not having troubles booting, you don't need it. |
| 05:17.07 | Livingroom | ah, but i've got it |
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| 05:18.43 | Livingroom | mmkay so |
| 05:18.46 | Livingroom | flashing the inifts then |
| 05:19.21 | Livingroom | yayz0r |
| 05:19.24 | Livingroom | it seems to be working |
| 05:19.31 | KotCzarny | no kidding? |
| 05:20.39 | Livingroom | yeah i know! |
| 05:20.42 | Livingroom | i never figured it'd work |
| 05:20.52 | ework | hey guys |
| 05:21.26 | ework | I attempted to do something which seem pretty straight forward and now my n770 keep rebooting, after about 30 sec each time |
| 05:21.50 | ework | I tried to add another module to initfs and flashed just that |
| 05:22.02 | KotCzarny | seems like you broke something |
| 05:22.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:22.15 | ework | I bet a complete flash would fix it but I don't want to have to setup everything again |
| 05:22.17 | KotCzarny | hard to tell what exactly |
| 05:22.28 | ework | I tried to reflash from the original and no luck |
| 05:22.30 | KotCzarny | have you made initfs backup? |
| 05:22.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:22.42 | ework | also reflashed pretty much every thing but the root |
| 05:23.10 | ework | well I tried to flash the original initfs from the hacker edition (os2007) which I had other before with no luck |
| 05:23.36 | KotCzarny | then you have made some changes to rootfs |
| 05:23.37 | ework | sorry other=on there |
| 05:23.53 | ework | just through normal use, not with flashing |
| 05:24.00 | Livingroom | hay antilles, that "NOLO" update, is that the same as "sardine" ? |
| 05:24.01 | KotCzarny | does 770 support disabling watchdog? |
| 05:24.03 | ework | but could that have some effect |
| 05:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | No, Livingroom. |
| 05:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | Sardine is equivalent to Debian unstable testing |
| 05:24.26 | Livingroom | ohhhh |
| 05:24.27 | Livingroom | ok |
| 05:24.28 | Livingroom | yeah |
| 05:24.31 | Livingroom | i dont have that for sure afaik |
| 05:24.31 | GeneralAntilles | NOLO is NOkia LOader |
| 05:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | The bootloader |
| 05:25.12 | ework | is there anyway to not show the nokia logo and see the boot process, the equivolent of removing "quiet" and "splash" for ubuntu? |
| 05:25.18 | Livingroom | i c |
| 05:25.41 | KotCzarny | ework: probably |
| 05:26.12 | ework | KotCzarny, thats what I figured there has to be a way to get a serial console, not sure how or how hard it will be |
| 05:27.18 | KotCzarny | i'm sure there is a way to enable fbconsole |
| 05:27.29 | KotCzarny | that would require custom kernel though |
| 05:27.47 | KotCzarny | and maybe initfs changes |
| 05:27.56 | ework | I was pretty impressed with myself getting my EVDO verizon usb720 working and got a little too brave trying to add a module to initfs |
| 05:28.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:28.23 | KotCzarny | initfs has a very little spare space |
| 05:28.31 | KotCzarny | you would have to throw some things out |
| 05:28.34 | KotCzarny | but |
| 05:28.43 | KotCzarny | you don't have to add it to initfs.. |
| 05:28.50 | ework | whats another weird thing |
| 05:28.58 | KotCzarny | one from rootfs would work too |
| 05:29.10 | ework | after following the steps and adding a module it's size was almost cut in half |
| 05:29.19 | ework | after tar2jffs2 |
| 05:29.59 | KotCzarny | i would bet on incompleteness then |
| 05:30.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:30.01 | ework | KotCzarny, how would you go about adding a new module and having it load automaticlly then the device was connected? |
| 05:30.31 | KotCzarny | ework: /etc/rc2.d/S99-local-ework.sh ? |
| 05:30.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:30.46 | ework | KotCzarny, ? |
| 05:30.55 | Livingroom | sweet, so cloning clones /everything/ right? |
| 05:30.57 | KotCzarny | ework: as for working with initfs try peeking into fanoush work |
| 05:31.25 | Livingroom | also, this thing never had me actually format the partition i created |
| 05:31.31 | ework | KotCzarny, wouldn't flashing the original initfs fix things, because that didn't help |
| 05:31.43 | KotCzarny | ework: that's for future reference |
| 05:31.56 | ework | ah thanks |
| 05:32.01 | KotCzarny | he made some useful scripts to work with kernel/initfs |
| 05:32.07 | KotCzarny | i have a n800 though |
| 05:33.01 | ework | KotCzarny, I noticed I'm going to look through that and see where I can get |
| 05:33.08 | ework | might be back shortly :( |
| 05:33.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 05:41.35 | Livingroom | ok... |
| 05:41.37 | Livingroom | something is wrong |
| 05:41.45 | Livingroom | it didnt ask me where i wanted to boot from |
| 05:42.02 | KotCzarny | it's only available for custom initfs |
| 05:42.07 | Livingroom | i c |
| 05:42.08 | Livingroom | soooo |
| 05:42.13 | Livingroom | where is it booting from then? |
| 05:42.20 | KotCzarny | two words: fanoush initfs |
| 05:42.36 | Livingroom | fanoush initfs? |
| 05:42.41 | Livingroom | yeah, i installed it |
| 05:42.48 | KotCzarny | but configured? |
| 05:43.13 | KotCzarny | if anything else fails, read docs |
| 05:43.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:43.28 | Livingroom | i dunno i just followed the steps :( |
| 05:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | Did you read the readme? |
| 05:44.35 | Livingroom | which one, i read like 4 |
| 05:44.38 | Livingroom | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 05:44.40 | Livingroom | this one, in fact |
| 05:44.58 | KotCzarny | after unpacking initfs flasher there should be a readme i guess |
| 05:45.05 | Livingroom | yeah yeah |
| 05:45.06 | Livingroom | read that one |
| 05:45.12 | Livingroom | did kinda skim it though |
| 05:45.14 | KotCzarny | with understanding? |
| 05:48.48 | Livingroom | not really with understanding |
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| 05:49.15 | qwerty12 | upgrades scratchbox with diablo components |
| 05:49.32 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i sense sbox reinstalling |
| 05:49.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:49.41 | qwerty12 | Me too :p |
| 05:49.51 | qwerty12 | But it sounds fun :D |
| 05:50.09 | qwerty12 | at least I may get a proper desktop... |
| 05:53.22 | Livingroom | oh SWEET |
| 05:53.30 | Livingroom | i have the option now to boot |
| 05:53.40 | Livingroom | ok so here's the problem |
| 05:53.46 | Livingroom | my options include the internal and the external mmc |
| 05:53.54 | Livingroom | and the external mmc is the one available by default ?? |
| 05:55.00 | ework | ok so any idea how to use fanoush's boot menu when it's not already booted |
| 05:55.20 | ework | he doesn't seem to provide any initfs.jffs2 file |
| 05:55.43 | KotCzarny | it's generated from your current initfs |
| 05:55.44 | GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example |
| 05:56.36 | ework | I think hopes of keeping my rootfs are lost, I guess its time to reflash everything |
| 05:56.47 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, reflash you say? ;). it's better than before :p |
| 05:56.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:57.08 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i believe in you ;) |
| 05:57.21 | qwerty12 | lol, I've even got nitro |
| 05:57.45 | qwerty12 | I think it's really just libraries, apt and dpkg I need |
| 05:58.36 | ework | is there a way to modify /mnt/initfs from the device? |
| 05:58.47 | KotCzarny | ework: not directly |
| 05:59.04 | Livingroom | *sigh* i'm lost |
| 05:59.06 | ework | assuming I get it working after a complete FIASCO flash |
| 05:59.06 | qwerty12 | no it's mounted read only, it only can be modified through the flasher |
| 05:59.09 | KotCzarny | ie. fanoush scripts use mtdtools |
| 05:59.10 | Livingroom | i dont know how to fix this problem |
| 05:59.33 | ework | so maybe looking into his script there might be way |
| 06:00.08 | KotCzarny | definitely |
| 06:00.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 06:00.50 | ework | finally i see boot progress |
| 06:01.39 | qwerty12 | Why does flasher damage the version info on my N800 all the time for no reason? |
| 06:01.44 | ework | everythings gone :(, but at least it's not dead :) |
| 06:01.49 | qwerty12 | That bug really needs to get fixed. |
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| 06:02.22 | Livingroom | ok, so |
| 06:02.38 | Livingroom | i haev the bootmenu but by default it's set to boot an mmc/partition that doesnt exsist |
| 06:02.44 | Livingroom | how do i change that? |
| 06:02.54 | KotCzarny | do it again |
| 06:03.47 | qwerty12 | now goes on my quest to get battery info in bme working (thanks jott) |
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| 06:06.50 | qwerty12 | Wow, I just tried flash-and-reboot, a lot faster than fanoush's tools. Flashing both only took a second. |
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| 06:07.29 | KotCzarny | but does it allow you to configure boot menu? |
| 06:07.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:08.01 | qwerty12 | Well, if you replace the image with one generated by bootmenu ;) |
| 06:08.10 | KotCzarny | yeah, sure |
| 06:08.11 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:08.34 | qwerty12 | Also, bootmenu is gonna be annoying in diablo due to ssu :/ |
| 06:09.03 | qwerty12 | my wifi just fubared on my N800, it won't find any connections. |
| 06:09.16 | Livingroom | i cannot find a bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example |
| 06:13.08 | qwerty12 | ****. my n800 is reluctant to use any sort of connection :( |
| 06:15.44 | Livingroom | ok i reflashed initfs and it's still trying to boot off the wrong partition |
| 06:20.47 | ework | Livingroom, in my brief experience changing initfs is a bad idea |
| 06:20.55 | ework | I gave up and just reflashed everything |
| 06:20.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:21.27 | ework | won't take long to get things working again, I have root and xterm already going |
| 06:23.25 | Livingroom | ok, so i made a bootmenu.conf and it's still showing the wrong options |
| 06:23.58 | Livingroom | also, i'm getting the message that a memory card is corrupted or unformatted. |
| 06:24.12 | ework | Livingroom, is the memory card in fat? |
| 06:24.37 | Livingroom | i dont know what you mean |
| 06:25.17 | ework | using FAT formatting |
| 06:25.17 | Livingroom | i havent formatted it |
| 06:25.17 | Livingroom | i tried and it just says it's in use |
| 06:25.27 | ework | you'd have to first do 'umount /media/mmc1' before you can do anything with it |
| 06:25.50 | ework | I just asked because I formatted mine as ext2 so I had to make a few changes |
| 06:25.51 | Livingroom | still says it's in use |
| 06:26.07 | ework | make sure you dont have any file windows open |
| 06:26.15 | Livingroom | well, i'm in the file manager |
| 06:26.26 | ework | you could also just partition and format it on a linux desktop |
| 06:26.30 | Livingroom | haha |
| 06:26.33 | Livingroom | dont have a linux desktop :( |
| 06:26.51 | ework | a live cd would have the tools you need |
| 06:27.25 | ework | I think I remember seeing mention somewhere that for bootmenu to work well the card had to be in a linux format |
| 06:27.34 | Livingroom | it would, but i wouldnt know how to use them anyway |
| 06:27.46 | ework | sounds like your problem though is that it's default to the wrong boot choice |
| 06:27.55 | Livingroom | thats the main problem |
| 06:27.59 | Livingroom | it's trying to boot mmc2 |
| 06:28.09 | ework | n770 or n800? |
| 06:28.17 | Livingroom | n800 |
| 06:28.43 | Livingroom | i even made a boot.conf thiny and included it |
| 06:28.48 | ework | the 770 doesn't have an mmc2 so I'm not sure what to do about that |
| 06:28.55 | ework | is that the external memory card? |
| 06:29.02 | Livingroom | yeah |
| 06:29.18 | ework | you're trying to get it too boot the main flash instead? |
| 06:29.21 | Livingroom | yep |
| 06:29.57 | ework | sorry no clue, I tried to make my own initfs and messed things up and finally just started all over again with the FIASCO image |
| 06:30.18 | ework | thought maybe I could help you figure out why mmc2 wasn't booting |
| 06:30.23 | Livingroom | o i c |
| 06:30.28 | KotCzarny | cloned to mmc on the first try |
| 06:30.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:30.30 | Livingroom | yeah mmc1 boots but i have to select it manually :( |
| 06:30.40 | Livingroom | well i cloned but the bootmenu is messed up |
| 06:31.42 | Livingroom | whenever i rerun initfs_flash, it doesnt change anything |
| 06:31.53 | KotCzarny | then you are doing something wrong |
| 06:31.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:31.59 | KotCzarny | read readme again |
| 06:34.24 | Livingroom | i did a chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 |
| 06:34.31 | Livingroom | then i did chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc1 |
| 06:34.40 | Livingroom | when i said mmc1, it set to 'internal memory' |
| 06:34.41 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I hacked into http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/something/ - it's where they store their pr0n :p |
| 06:34.52 | KotCzarny | qwerty: any proof? |
| 06:34.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:35.03 | qwerty12 | no :( :P |
| 06:38.02 | Livingroom | damn damn damn damn damn |
| 06:38.30 | qwerty12 | EruditeHermit, if you are still around, did you manage to flash to diablo? |
| 06:45.02 | qwerty12 | http://pastebin.com/d4dc2f07a - who wants to edit my status file :p |
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| 06:48.14 | Livingroom | how can i see what devices are configured in initfs? |
| 06:48.20 | Livingroom | is there like a "boot.ini" type thing? |
| 06:48.25 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:48.30 | KotCzarny | see /mnt/initfs/ |
| 06:49.12 | Livingroom | damnit damnit damnit! |
| 06:49.19 | qwerty12 | you can see the linuxrc, bootmenu.sh and bootmenu.conf from /mnt/initfs like KotCzarny says |
| 06:49.22 | Livingroom | the bootmenu.conf in /mnt/initfs/ has # infront of external thingies |
| 06:49.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:49.34 | Livingroom | #MENU_4_NAME="External MMC card, partition 2, ext3" |
| 06:49.51 | KotCzarny | then you were editing wrong file all the time? |
| 06:49.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:49.56 | qwerty12 | Livingroom, restore original initfs and reflash boot menu |
| 06:49.56 | Livingroom | ? |
| 06:50.17 | KotCzarny | nvm |
| 06:50.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:51.15 | Livingroom | kk reflashing |
| 06:51.53 | Livingroom | stock one is in there woot |
| 06:53.31 | qwerty12 | Hehe, http://i27.tinypic.com/2vi4lr4.png |
| 06:53.47 | qwerty12 | Livingroom, if you made backup, initfs_flasher would have been able to restore it |
| 06:54.01 | qwerty12 | Or you could have asked me and I would have extracted original one |
| 06:54.41 | Livingroom | son of a |
| 06:54.48 | Livingroom | i did make a backup |
| 06:55.00 | Livingroom | and when i restored it, the damn default config is booting the wrong selection. |
| 06:55.28 | qwerty12 | did you make repeated backups (ie flashing it one time and making a backup again after)? |
| 06:55.51 | Livingroom | nope |
| 06:55.55 | Livingroom | one backup original |
| 06:56.49 | qwerty12 | that is weird then. if you have linux, you can extract original components from bin/fiasco image using flasher |
| 06:59.34 | Livingroom | AHA! |
| 06:59.40 | Livingroom | aha aha aha aha aha aha!!! |
| 06:59.44 | Livingroom | AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 06:59.50 | Livingroom | so |
| 06:59.51 | qwerty12 | aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha!!! aha aha aha aha aha aha!!!aha aha aha aha aha aha!!!aha aha aha aha aha aha!!! |
| 06:59.55 | Livingroom | it's "immc2" not "mmc2" |
| 07:00.08 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 07:00.40 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu.conf |
| 07:00.44 | KotCzarny | that's my config |
| 07:03.18 | Livingroom | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt |
| 07:03.19 | Livingroom | i got it |
| 07:03.22 | Livingroom | thank you guys, so much. |
| 07:03.36 | qwerty12 | Has anyone here edited initfs on computer? I'm gonna try now but it would be nice to ask someone for help incase I mess up |
| 07:04.02 | ework | qwerty12, I tried to add a module using my ubuntu desktop |
| 07:04.05 | ework | didn't work |
| 07:04.33 | qwerty12 | ah :/. Maybe I will get lucky hehe. |
| 07:04.56 | ework | I'm not sure what happend but reflashing the original inits didn't fix it either, something with root got messed up |
| 07:05.06 | ework | qwerty12, n800? |
| 07:05.10 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 07:05.27 | ework | you should better luck than I with a 770 using os2007he |
| 07:05.34 | Livingroom | woot 2600mb free |
| 07:12.29 | qwerty12 | wow, I'm now using bash instead of default sbox shell, much nicer. |
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| 07:13.02 | Livingroom | i'd love to use bash |
| 07:13.10 | qwerty12 | You can do on a tablet |
| 07:13.10 | Livingroom | i'm just so happy i got the bootloader working |
| 07:13.11 | Livingroom | it's epic |
| 07:13.20 | Livingroom | the next thing i need to accomplish |
| 07:13.21 | qwerty12 | I once had it installed from www.nitapps.com |
| 07:13.29 | Livingroom | hmm |
| 07:14.28 | qwerty12 | atm, I've got a lot of broken dev packages in my sbox :p |
| 07:14.36 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:14.42 | qwerty12 | But at least I got personal menu to work :p |
| 07:14.48 | qwerty12 | and I got the font :p |
| 07:16.30 | Livingroom | haha personal menu is hard to make work |
| 07:16.38 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 07:16.45 | Livingroom | i'd love to get dosbox with dos 6.2/win3.1 working, that would be epic |
| 07:16.48 | qwerty12 | neva, it's quite simple imho |
| 07:18.42 | Livingroom | i'm stuck on 'cache file created successfully' when i apt-get install personal-menu |
| 07:19.29 | qwerty12 | ftd runs for a few seconds in scratchbox |
| 07:19.50 | KotCzarny | there's no use of running ftd in sbox |
| 07:19.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:20.10 | qwerty12 | I know, but it's fun :P :) |
| 07:20.27 | KotCzarny | better hack some software |
| 07:20.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:21.04 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm not good enough. Saying that, I have released some good things... |
| 07:21.14 | KotCzarny | darn. i need some music to help me concentrate. |
| 07:25.13 | KotCzarny | let's try 4 seasons |
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| 07:42.39 | EruditeHermit | hey qwerty12 you there? |
| 07:43.02 | Livingroom | standard shutdown -h will turn off the device, right? |
| 07:43.49 | qwerty12 | EruditeHermit, yes |
| 07:43.58 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: I seemingly flashed to diablo but I don't get the same screens as you |
| 07:44.05 | qwerty12 | Livingroom, yes unless you have charger plugged in afaik |
| 07:44.14 | qwerty12 | EruditeHermit, whats your version in about? |
| 07:44.21 | EruditeHermit | its still the old one |
| 07:44.25 | EruditeHermit | 51-3 2007 |
| 07:44.28 | qwerty12 | not done properly then |
| 07:44.39 | Livingroom | why does the charger give always-on? it's annoying |
| 07:44.42 | EruditeHermit | but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade any more packages |
| 07:44.51 | timely | err, flashed to diablo?? |
| 07:44.56 | timely | didn't think there were flashes for it |
| 07:44.59 | qwerty12 | how come apt-get distupgrade was used? |
| 07:45.07 | EruditeHermit | how did you do it? |
| 07:45.22 | EruditeHermit | I am still unclear how you did it? |
| 07:45.24 | qwerty12 | What i did has been basically summed up in this post : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180257&postcount=283 |
| 07:45.41 | qwerty12 | Also to quote my own words " |
| 07:45.41 | qwerty12 | What I did to install was reflash and make the symlink from archives to my memory card. I then used DTA on the computer to download the packages (more reliable) and placed them in the archives folder. |
| 07:45.41 | qwerty12 | I then just did apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked and waited for it to install as it needed no dodgy downloading " |
| 07:46.14 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 07:46.18 | EruditeHermit | so I have some more stuff to do |
| 07:46.26 | kulve | is there a way to connect to known wlans even if I have active Internet connection through BT? |
| 07:46.32 | kulve | automatically, that is |
| 07:47.00 | KotCzarny | i don't think it supports multiple default routes.. |
| 07:47.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:47.04 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: I did a dist-upgrade |
| 07:47.15 | qwerty12 | why? it wasn't needed at all. |
| 07:47.27 | kulve | KotCzarny: not multiple, I want it to disconnect the BT |
| 07:47.53 | kulve | otherwise it will drain my phone's battery too quickly |
| 07:48.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:48.25 | timely | if people want to, i'll have dreamhost mirroring the repository |
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| 07:50.06 | Stskeeps | what's the advantages/improvements in diablo again? |
| 07:50.15 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: because I didn't see that metapackage in the posts |
| 07:50.22 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: it got lost on me |
| 07:50.43 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: did you ever get W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) |
| 07:50.43 | EruditeHermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.03 | qwerty12 | yes, I just disabled it but now I got a perfect working sources.list |
| 07:51.26 | qwerty12 | I changed chinook to diablo and it works better than adding a line |
| 07:51.54 | timely | Stskeeps: if you wait long enough i''ll have a blog entry that explains what changed in the browser |
| 07:51.56 | timely | it's a really really long list |
| 07:52.01 | Livingroom | when booting from MMC, is there any advantage to emptying the internal memory? |
| 07:52.05 | timely | which i expected to have weeks to write |
| 07:52.05 | Livingroom | i could apt-get uninstall everything |
| 07:52.37 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: disabled what? |
| 07:52.51 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: changed chinook to diablo where? |
| 07:52.53 | qwerty12 | the conflicting distrobution line thing |
| 07:53.00 | qwerty12 | in the sources.list file |
| 07:53.09 | EruditeHermit | oh, the only line I have is the diablo line |
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| 07:53.55 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: I think its because I don't have the metapackage installed actually |
| 07:54.01 | EruditeHermit | I think it will fix itself very soon |
| 07:54.13 | EruditeHermit | it checks to see if it matches osso-software-version |
| 07:54.16 | qwerty12|gone | it's in the update repo. I have to go now for a bit :/ |
| 07:54.19 | EruditeHermit | which I am installing now |
| 07:54.20 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 07:54.26 | EruditeHermit | it will all work in 5 mins |
| 07:54.29 | EruditeHermit | I figured it out |
| 07:54.32 | qwerty12|gone | gl with it :) |
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| 07:56.20 | Livingroom | when booting from MMC, is there any advantage to emptying the internal memory? |
| 07:56.37 | KotCzarny | no |
| 07:56.40 | Livingroom | kk. |
| 07:56.44 | Livingroom | well i have to bed now |
| 07:56.46 | Livingroom | nite all |
| 07:56.47 | Livingroom | ty for help |
| 07:56.52 | Livingroom | got everything worxing :) |
| 07:58.20 | qwerty12|gone | does tar have a touch option? |
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| 08:01.42 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12|gone: once done, I can reset lifeguard on |
| 08:01.44 | EruditeHermit | correct? |
| 08:02.01 | qwerty12|gone | You should be able to, I haven't tried. |
| 08:03.53 | EruditeHermit | sweet it worked |
| 08:04.58 | EruditeHermit | I have diablo |
| 08:05.12 | qwerty12|gone | welcome to diablo :) |
| 08:05.20 | qwerty12|gone | To finish off the job, run flash-and-reboot |
| 08:05.27 | qwerty12|gone | and delete the initfs image and run it again |
| 08:05.37 | EruditeHermit | flash and reboot? |
| 08:05.47 | qwerty12|gone | yes flash-and-reboot |
| 08:05.53 | EruditeHermit | what is that? |
| 08:06.10 | qwerty12|gone | a flasher for kernel and initfs. initfs is damaged so delete it but kernel works fine. |
| 08:06.48 | EruditeHermit | is that run from terminal? |
| 08:06.55 | qwerty12|gone | yes |
| 08:07.04 | qwerty12|gone | if you still have rd mode enabled, run sudo gainroot |
| 08:08.16 | EruditeHermit | these images are available: 2 images. Flash and remove them. The device will reboot y/N |
| 08:08.22 | EruditeHermit | you sure I remove these images? |
| 08:08.33 | qwerty12|gone | you remove the initfs one. |
| 08:08.36 | EruditeHermit | it flashes the kernel to upgrade it and then removes it |
| 08:08.50 | qwerty12|gone | you can flash the initfs if you want to damage the device |
| 08:09.07 | EruditeHermit | there is one initfs and one zImage-diablo-200816 |
| 08:09.17 | qwerty12|gone | rm the initfs file. |
| 08:09.56 | EruditeHermit | how do I choose? |
| 08:10.27 | qwerty12|gone | you dont, I said rm the initfs file. |
| 08:10.33 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 08:10.34 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 08:10.39 | EruditeHermit | physically remove it |
| 08:10.42 | EruditeHermit | and then run it |
| 08:10.44 | EruditeHermit | got you |
| 08:10.45 | qwerty12|gone | yeah :) |
| 08:10.50 | EruditeHermit | sorry |
| 08:10.57 | EruditeHermit | I ate too many retarded pills today |
| 08:11.08 | qwerty12|gone | no problems :), I'm tired from y/day :D |
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| 08:12.51 | EruditeHermit | so which kernel image should it now be |
| 08:12.55 | EruditeHermit | 2.6.21-omap? |
| 08:13.14 | qwerty12|gone | yeah, version number stays the same but run uname -v and notice the difference ;) |
| 08:13.42 | EruditeHermit | sweet |
| 08:13.46 | EruditeHermit | april 23 |
| 08:14.05 | EruditeHermit | is it placebo |
| 08:14.09 | EruditeHermit | or is the ui much snappier |
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| 08:20.01 | qwerty12|gone | Interesting. diablo initfs is bigger by 0.5 MB. unfortunately this makes it too big to flash on N800 so I am cooking up custom initfs with bme so I can use ftd properly. |
| 08:20.16 | forge | :o |
| 08:20.48 | EruditeHermit | does virtual memory max out at 12mb? |
| 08:20.51 | EruditeHermit | 128* |
| 08:21.05 | EruditeHermit | or can you set it to higher values |
| 08:21.31 | qwerty12|gone | I think via command line you can set higher but it may be risky |
| 08:21.46 | EruditeHermit | why risky? |
| 08:21.57 | qwerty12|gone | No idea, I haven't tested it :P |
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| 08:24.42 | forge | I think it somehow is fucked up, due to hardware or other stuff so that if you set it higher than norm it corrupts it and will cause huge problems |
| 08:25.00 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 08:25.18 | forge | No ? Why then :o |
| 08:25.43 | KotCzarny | my idea is that device has 128megs of ram |
| 08:25.53 | qwerty12|gone | new library in diablo initfs - libbb5. which confirms my voiced suspictions that the n800 is based on bb5. |
| 08:25.56 | KotCzarny | so there was no point to have so much virt mem |
| 08:26.10 | EruditeHermit | well its all flash memory |
| 08:26.14 | EruditeHermit | so it should be pretty fast |
| 08:26.19 | KotCzarny | false |
| 08:26.23 | KotCzarny | writes are slow |
| 08:26.41 | KotCzarny | especially to random sectors |
| 08:26.41 | forge | But why does it goes fubar if you set it higher than initial ram size |
| 08:26.48 | KotCzarny | does it? |
| 08:26.55 | forge | It does on 770 at least |
| 08:27.05 | KotCzarny | 770 had kernel corruption |
| 08:27.11 | KotCzarny | in driver |
| 08:27.30 | KotCzarny | fixed since then |
| 08:27.35 | qwerty12|gone | is trying out cooked up initfs |
| 08:28.10 | KotCzarny | forge: i think it was wlan related mmc corruption |
| 08:28.16 | forge | Yes |
| 08:28.31 | forge | But 770 also has problems if you set virtual ram over 64mb |
| 08:29.31 | EruditeHermit | it keeps saying my mmc is corrupted now |
| 08:29.35 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 08:29.35 | forge | And it hasn't been fixed, and the only thing i suspect is some hw related issue |
| 08:29.46 | KotCzarny | forge: it was fixed |
| 08:29.51 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 |
| 08:30.02 | KotCzarny | Thanks should go to Tilman Vogel for detailed analysis of this bug, to Siarhei Siamashka (a.k.a. Serge here) for discovering and fixing it and to others who helped. |
| 08:30.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:30.20 | qwerty12|gone | bollox. 2160384 is too big. How shit is the initfs partition? |
| 08:30.51 | KotCzarny | qwerty: maybe diablo changes mtd layout |
| 08:30.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:30.59 | KotCzarny | ie. proper diablo installer |
| 08:31.25 | qwerty12|gone | But from what I understand, SSU calls flash-and-reboot. Maybe wimax tablet has bigger initfs? |
| 08:31.27 | forge | Kot, and youre sure that that issue is related to virtual ram size ? |
| 08:31.35 | qwerty12|gone | I wonder what libb5 does too. |
| 08:31.43 | KotCzarny | forge: it's related to mmc |
| 08:31.52 | forge | Oh right right mehmuu |
| 08:31.52 | KotCzarny | so it's related to anything that uses it |
| 08:31.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:32.57 | forge | Aye |
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| 08:34.25 | KotCzarny | i think it's fixed in he |
| 08:36.03 | forge | Yeah in the latest should be |
| 08:36.19 | forge | Can't remember if it's fixed in the latest 2006 |
| 08:37.29 | KotCzarny | probably not |
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| 08:37.38 | KotCzarny | because thread is from 2007-11 |
| 08:37.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:49.04 | qwerty12 | I fubared initfs, tablet shuts down. Probably missing libs, I'll try again. |
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| 08:53.43 | qwerty12 | Why does this happen: |
| 08:53.45 | qwerty12 | "Sending initfs image (2061 kB)... |
| 08:53.45 | qwerty12 | Write failed after 0 bytes |
| 08:53.45 | qwerty12 | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 08:53.45 | qwerty12 | " |
| 08:54.54 | qwerty12 | So? |
| 08:56.57 | qwerty12 | Fixed. Thank you 0xffff maker. |
| 08:58.51 | forge | :p |
| 09:00.13 | qwerty12 | Hmm, 2MB is max for initfs. |
| 09:03.18 | qwerty12 | test server is not needed afaik? |
| 09:03.46 | KotCzarny | see fanoush init flasher for a list of redundant parts |
| 09:03.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:04.04 | qwerty12 | ok, will do thanks :). I'm gonna try stripping diablo initfs down :/ |
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| 09:06.49 | Stskeeps | does this point towards diablo being n810+ only or? |
| 09:06.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:07.07 | KotCzarny | n8x0 |
| 09:07.16 | qwerty12 | is N810 initfs size bigger? |
| 09:07.23 | qwerty12 | the wimax one will probably be. |
| 09:08.13 | qwerty12 | Man, I wish fanoush joined this channel. |
| 09:08.25 | KotCzarny | he doesn't do irc |
| 09:08.31 | KotCzarny | catch him on itt or email |
| 09:08.43 | qwerty12 | Yeah :) |
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| 09:10.43 | qwerty12 | w00t, 1.8MB initfs image :) |
| 09:11.16 | KotCzarny | i'm off to sleep |
| 09:11.18 | KotCzarny | night |
| 09:11.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:11.22 | qwerty12 | Night :) |
| 09:11.48 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: I want to know which theme the orange theme in the demos is |
| 09:12.13 | qwerty12 | I dunno what theme it is :/ |
| 09:12.26 | qwerty12 | I didn't watch it |
| 09:14.46 | EruditeHermit | http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 09:14.53 | EruditeHermit | err |
| 09:15.03 | EruditeHermit | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/04/nokia-n810-wimax-edition-the-real-internet-finally-made-mobile/ |
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| 09:18.55 | qwerty12 | I'm sending a nitro core dump of testserver crashing :P |
| 09:19.08 | qwerty12 | ooh, nokia are gonna hate me |
| 09:29.06 | RST38h | qwerty: so is it ready for consumption? does agps work? =) |
| 09:29.44 | qwerty12 | RST38h, N800 here :). I don't have gps. |
| 09:30.23 | qwerty12 | They really need to fix the initfs though. I went a made a copy that fits but dsme keeps rebooting the tablet at boot. |
| 09:32.02 | qwerty12 | RST38h, tried installing the gps* stuff in chinook? |
| 09:37.08 | RST38h | I am afraid to screw my device installing this stuff... |
| 09:37.38 | qwerty12 | Ah |
| 09:38.25 | RST38h | Mainly doing app programming so if the device dies even temporarily, I wont be able to release on time |
| 09:38.57 | qwerty12 | Yeah, not worth it then. :) |
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| 10:58.33 | K-Fox | hi |
| 10:58.48 | K-Fox | i dont know to uninstall xmms cleanly |
| 10:59.18 | K-Fox | my xmms appl have some problem |
| 10:59.34 | K-Fox | how? |
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| 12:27.25 | K-Fox | korea font break in xmms |
| 12:27.32 | K-Fox | why? |
| 12:30.09 | K-Fox | i did install korea font |
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| 12:48.57 | johnx | K-Fox, xmms uses different fonts |
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| 12:52.32 | K-Fox | different fonts? |
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| 12:55.13 | kpel | hi |
| 12:55.24 | johnx | K-Fox, or it might just not support UTF-8 |
| 12:55.27 | johnx | kpel, hi |
| 12:56.17 | kpel | has anybody noticed thta recently the weather applet stopped showing the weather although it receives weather updates? |
| 12:56.24 | johnx | yes |
| 12:56.38 | kpel | any solutions? |
| 12:56.43 | johnx | the author is on vacation, but someone found a fix |
| 12:56.49 | johnx | look on the garage page for omweather |
| 12:57.00 | kpel | ok thanks |
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| 13:10.21 | WormFood | kpel, yes...even after I updated it |
| 13:11.00 | WormFood | no doubt the site they pull weather from changed |
| 13:11.06 | WormFood | I haven't had it working in a week or so |
| 13:11.18 | kpel | same here |
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| 13:11.57 | aquatix | works here |
| 13:12.03 | aquatix | had to reboot my tablet though |
| 13:12.06 | aquatix | after copying that .so |
| 13:12.19 | aquatix | ohterwise it wouldn't work still |
| 13:13.22 | qwerty12_N800 | What's the echo command to enable dsp? |
| 13:14.00 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, troubles with el diablo? |
| 13:14.34 | qwerty12_N800 | no, just playing music is making my cpu full |
| 13:15.15 | johnx | wait, so you mean in mplayer? it's enabled by default for the built-in media player of course... |
| 13:15.38 | lcuk | does anyone know how i install the dev packages for freetype? |
| 13:15.51 | johnx | in scratchbox? |
| 13:15.57 | lcuk | no, on device |
| 13:16.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Nah,there was an echo command and it worked because cpu went down |
| 13:16.43 | lcuk | qwerty cpu goes up and down all the flipping time, try fixing it to either low or high to get a good stable test |
| 13:17.01 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, browse the repo manually and install freetype-dev armel package |
| 13:17.20 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, but i'm sure it worked |
| 13:17.22 | lcuk | ok, ill simplify it, ive tried this, but it came up with nothing: apt-cache | grep freetype was i trying right or did i do something wrong? |
| 13:18.00 | johnx | lcuk, do you have the sdk repositories enabled on your tablet? (ie other -dev packages are available?) |
| 13:18.13 | lcuk | yer, ive got gcc and x11 and even sdl |
| 13:18.20 | lcuk | and maketools or whatever they are |
| 13:18.31 | lcuk | i just cant find the name of the freetype dev pack |
| 13:19.21 | johnx | apt-cache search libxft-dev |
| 13:19.36 | qwerty12_N800 | any initfs hackers around? |
| 13:19.45 | lcuk | gotcha! thanks john |
| 13:19.58 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, for certain values of "hacker"? what do you need? |
| 13:20.10 | lcuk | :)i knew it was apt-cache but didnt know correct syntax |
| 13:20.53 | johnx | ah, <booming voice>now you know!</voice> |
| 13:21.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Just someone to fix the diablo initfs to run on n800. I ripped out the crap to shrink the size down so it boots but it reboots. |
| 13:21.21 | qwerty12_N800 | s/boots/flashes |
| 13:21.43 | johnx | it's not small enough to flash as shipped? |
| 13:21.47 | lcuk | whats the easiest way to get more room on the base FS, aren't there tonnes of docs for multiple countries somewhere on it? |
| 13:21.49 | johnx | is still reading through the tread |
| 13:22.03 | qwerty12_N800 | hell no, i nearly killed my n800 trying |
| 13:22.04 | johnx | lcuk, under /home/user/MyDocs |
| 13:22.15 | johnx | O_o |
| 13:22.26 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I'll flash diablo as soon as my backup finishes :) |
| 13:22.26 | qwerty12_N800 | It has stuff for the wimax stuff in it now |
| 13:22.32 | johnx | I'm in the mood for trouble :D |
| 13:22.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Cool :) |
| 13:22.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Remember to flash new kernel, ftd works better with it |
| 13:23.15 | johnx | ah, but not the new initfs? |
| 13:23.27 | qwerty12_N800 | It wont fit :( |
| 13:23.36 | johnx | n/m, I'll RTFT (thread) |
| 13:23.39 | forge | The story of my life, it's always too big! |
| 13:23.52 | forge | I bet qwerty is having the same problems ... |
| 13:23.52 | qwerty12_N800 | sigh... :p, lmao |
| 13:24.22 | forge | What, it was funny now wasn't it :D |
| 13:24.33 | qwerty12_N800 | yes lol :D |
| 13:24.48 | forge | I have my moments <3 |
| 13:24.56 | lcuk | there are files inside: /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Maps are they the built in map, or are they from me installing maemo-mapper at some time? |
| 13:25.03 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, brb, trying suspend |
| 13:25.11 | RST38h | maemo mapper |
| 13:25.11 | qwerty12_N800 | maemo-mapper |
| 13:25.14 | lcuk | thx :) |
| 13:25.18 | lcuk | rm |
| 13:27.07 | qwerty12_N800 | needs to modify chinook initfs image with some diablo stuff... |
| 13:27.24 | RST38h | ln -s MyDocs to mmc |
| 13:29.22 | qwerty12_N800 | diablo seems to have official ipv6 support. in chinook, i wwas using custom kernel with a few programs. But you need diablo initfs modules so i'm putting diablo ipv6 modules into chinook image. |
| 13:30.00 | johnx | ah! I know where to get clues for what to take out of initfs :) |
| 13:30.06 | johnx | look at fanoush's boot menu stuff |
| 13:30.18 | johnx | it cleans out enough room for a telnet daemon and an ssh daemon |
| 13:30.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Been there, that's what i removed :) |
| 13:30.42 | qwerty12_N800 | I posted a cleaned out diablo initfs |
| 13:30.43 | johnx | hmm |
| 13:30.51 | johnx | still too big though? |
| 13:30.52 | forge | Still too big ? :o |
| 13:31.12 | qwerty12_N800 | But you flash it - reboot loop at initfs time |
| 13:31.21 | qwerty12_N800 | you cant flash it |
| 13:31.24 | forge | Aah yes |
| 13:31.41 | qwerty12_N800 | forge, happens a lot to you? :p |
| 13:31.58 | johnx | ah, if you use fanoush's fb_update_manual trick you can at least see what's happening |
| 13:32.08 | johnx | fb_update_mode auto, rather |
| 13:32.21 | qwerty12_N800 | it does it before rootfs is mounted |
| 13:32.26 | johnx | so? |
| 13:32.31 | johnx | stick that stuff in initfs |
| 13:32.33 | qwerty12_N800 | even before the rd mode output |
| 13:32.37 | forge | Qwerty, yes but now i was talking about the initfs :D |
| 13:33.01 | johnx | I'll have to look :/ |
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| 13:33.28 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, i'm away from computer, any chance of addib |
| 13:33.42 | johnx | addib? |
| 13:33.45 | qwerty12_N800 | adding fb mode to my ripped initfs? |
| 13:34.02 | johnx | I haven't even flashed diablo yet |
| 13:34.04 | qwerty12_N800 | sorry, hildon input method shortcuts... |
| 13:34.09 | johnx | gimme a couple minutes O_o |
| 13:34.23 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, that image was modified through computer |
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| 13:35.34 | qwerty12_N800 | i think it's easy to add, add the lines to insmod and switch in linuxrc |
| 13:36.27 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm gonna work on a modified chinook initfs. |
| 13:36.36 | johnx | ok, you do that |
| 13:36.43 | johnx | I'll start with the diablo one and see where I get |
| 13:36.52 | qwerty12_N800 | cool |
| 13:36.53 | johnx | if we split up we can do more damage! |
| 13:36.59 | K-Fox | i have some error in xmms. i want to uninstall cleanly xmms |
| 13:36.59 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 13:37.01 | K-Fox | how? |
| 13:37.25 | johnx | K-Fox, apt-get remove xmms |
| 13:37.36 | K-Fox | apt-get remove xmms <-- this command is not clean |
| 13:37.50 | johnx | why isn't it clean? |
| 13:37.54 | qwerty12_N800 | xmms* because a lot of stuff is bundled |
| 13:38.00 | johnx | aaah |
| 13:38.03 | johnx | ok, then I don't know |
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| 13:38.34 | K-Fox | time display of xmms remain |
| 13:38.57 | K-Fox | 0:00 <--- here dont move |
| 13:39.24 | qwerty12_N800 | set esd as sound output |
| 13:39.45 | K-Fox | esd? |
| 13:40.08 | qwerty12_N800 | esound. check xmms settings. |
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| 13:40.26 | K-Fox | ok |
| 13:41.11 | lcuk | :D w000t, i can compile full liqbase directly on the device :) |
| 13:41.34 | qwerty12_N800 | :), it will look good at ltag :) |
| 13:42.07 | GNUton | hi |
| 13:42.11 | lcuk | when compiling, the main files written are in the actual src folder on external mmc1 arent they (ie, i dont have to worry about writing to the internal fs breaking the card) |
| 13:42.34 | qwerty12_N800 | wants diablo initfs's bme so he can try batt info in ftd |
| 13:42.59 | johnx | lcuk, your source tree is on mmc1, correct? |
| 13:43.44 | K-Fox | lcuk/ wow thank you~~ |
| 13:43.48 | K-Fox | it's good |
| 13:44.16 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, yes john |
| 13:44.23 | lcuk | damn forgot to clear |
| 13:44.31 | johnx | then everything should be fine |
| 13:44.36 | lcuk | excellent :D |
| 13:45.11 | lcuk | and compile speed isnt that bad either, now all i need is a smooth scrolling editor to jump around my code. i wonder where i can get a smooth scrolling text view from... ;) |
| 13:45.20 | johnx | the only directories that it would be acceptable to write to for a program during compile are the current directory and stuff below it and *maybe* /tmp or /var/tmp |
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| 13:45.55 | johnx | and /tmp is in RAM so that's not a problem |
| 13:45.58 | lcuk | mmc1 is FAT, is it allowed to ummm symlink tmp to a folder on mmc1? |
| 13:46.04 | lcuk | ahhh right |
| 13:46.04 | K-Fox | qwerty12_N800/ thank you ~~ wow after checking esound of xmms , display of time is normal |
| 13:46.15 | johnx | your symlink can *point* to a FAT fs |
| 13:46.15 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, yes it will be good for ltag |
| 13:46.24 | johnx | but a symlink can't *exist* on a FAT fs |
| 13:46.38 | lcuk | makes sense |
| 13:47.14 | lcuk | im mega pleased now, ill test compile speed using vmware and directly using device for a comparison |
| 13:48.27 | qwerty12_N800 | what about with a real linux instead :p |
| 13:48.45 | lcuk | i havent got one ready with sb on it |
| 13:48.57 | lcuk | i have a feeling all compilation work will be on device from now on |
| 13:49.08 | lcuk | brb |
| 13:49.15 | qwerty12_N800 | i have a feeling my sbox is messed up |
| 13:49.35 | qwerty12_N800 | I tried to install diablo components |
| 13:50.00 | qwerty12_N800 | It actually works alright but apt is whining |
| 13:52.21 | qwerty12_N800 | it looks cool though: http://i25.tinypic.com/2udugap.jpg |
| 13:52.41 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, interesting |
| 13:52.47 | johnx | it looks like more of a desktop now :) |
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| 13:52.56 | johnx | hopefully that means good things for source licensing |
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| 13:53.24 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah :) |
| 13:53.39 | lopz | hola |
| 13:53.53 | johnx | buenos dia |
| 13:53.59 | qwerty12_N800 | I saw a source package called wlancond but i think it's fake lol |
| 13:54.01 | qwerty12_N800 | hi |
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| 13:55.05 | lopz | ;] |
| 13:55.57 | lcuk | hmmmm 7 seconds in vmware, 5 mins on device. but over 4 minutes was spent on a monster module which creates brushes at runtime via varargs (over 2000 parameters in some functions) |
| 13:56.14 | johnx | O_o |
| 13:56.40 | johnx | waits impatiently for his backup to finish...taps fingers |
| 13:56.58 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, rsync? |
| 13:57.03 | johnx | rsync over ssh |
| 13:57.25 | qwerty12_N800 | ah. i just use 0xffff and mtd-utils :/ |
| 13:57.36 | johnx | suppose I could do that |
| 13:57.48 | johnx | It's handier to have a directory structure for me though |
| 13:57.53 | johnx | easier to get things back |
| 13:58.16 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, I just prefer flashing though :) |
| 13:58.53 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm such a numbnuts, before, i flashed os2007 initfs when running diablo. |
| 13:59.07 | johnx | O_o ?! |
| 13:59.12 | johnx | so the initfs might work? |
| 13:59.28 | qwerty12_N800 | I thought it was 2008 one :p |
| 13:59.34 | qwerty12_N800 | which one? |
| 13:59.41 | johnx | the diablo one? |
| 14:00.39 | qwerty12_N800 | I cant get it to work. I ripped out files using fanoush's list and it flashes and i get reboot loop |
| 14:00.47 | lcuk | ok, compiling 3 files which get changed often takes 9 seconds on device :) (<1sec on vmware) that is acceptable |
| 14:01.02 | qwerty12_N800 | The os2007 initfs worked,except for wifi and usb ;p |
| 14:01.10 | qwerty12_N800 | s/;)/:) |
| 14:01.13 | johnx | almost everything is in the kernel |
| 14:04.03 | Navi | Ugh |
| 14:04.08 | johnx | a compressed rootfs is a funny thing. after rsync, my tablet's / takes up 273MB and climbing as the backup continues... :) |
| 14:04.12 | johnx | Navi, eh? |
| 14:04.16 | Navi | I'm too lazy to do anything to my N800 |
| 14:04.23 | johnx | oh noes! |
| 14:04.30 | Navi | I reflashed it again and I don't have the will to set it up |
| 14:04.32 | qwerty12_N800 | aiii |
| 14:04.50 | K-Fox | n900 is atop cpu? |
| 14:04.54 | Navi | so it's just a paperweight. |
| 14:04.57 | K-Fox | atom cpu |
| 14:05.01 | Navi | No |
| 14:05.27 | johnx | Navi, then dance con el diablo :) |
| 14:05.32 | Navi | Did |
| 14:05.36 | Navi | wasn't impressed |
| 14:05.37 | johnx | ah |
| 14:05.50 | johnx | lots of breakage? |
| 14:05.53 | Navi | microb-engine was old and modest didn't work |
| 14:07.12 | johnx | I want that new apt so I can start getting aptitude compiled |
| 14:07.42 | Navi | I broke the browser and removed a huge chunk of files trying to replace modest |
| 14:07.47 | Navi | files I couldn't get back, btw |
| 14:07.48 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm trying synaptic later |
| 14:08.13 | johnx | synaptic will be a pain with the huge fonts and the smallish screen |
| 14:08.16 | Navi | so I reflashed to Chinook and now it's sitting on my desk powered off since the reflash |
| 14:08.22 | johnx | it *just* fits in debian |
| 14:08.24 | lcuk | if i move fs onto mmc will it speed it up? |
| 14:08.35 | johnx | lcuk, move what onto sd? |
| 14:08.39 | johnx | ah |
| 14:08.40 | johnx | sorry |
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| 14:08.42 | johnx | didn't read |
| 14:08.42 | lcuk | base / |
| 14:08.47 | Navi | the flash in the N800 is slow |
| 14:08.54 | qwerty12_N800 | aptitude is ncurses, w.out kbd, ncurses apps are weird |
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| 14:09.03 | lcuk | yer i heard, but does it have a class rating |
| 14:09.08 | johnx | lcuk, for write and/or read intensive stuff, yes |
| 14:09.19 | Navi | Class ratings are for SDHC cards |
| 14:09.42 | lcuk | exactly, if i get a class 4 device will it be faster than the internal |
| 14:09.56 | lcuk | or do i need class 6 for speed up |
| 14:10.13 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, it's mainly for getting yourself out of bad situations so if it only works over ssh that's ok with me |
| 14:11.48 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't really feel like going to the computer much |
| 14:12.09 | johnx | well, usb keyboard will work too |
| 14:12.13 | johnx | you have an n810, yes? |
| 14:13.41 | qwerty12_N800 | me? no, i have n800. |
| 14:13.57 | johnx | for some reason I thought you had both |
| 14:14.02 | johnx | must be confused |
| 14:14.12 | lcuk | is confused most of the tim |
| 14:14.15 | lcuk | +e |
| 14:14.17 | lcuk | see |
| 14:14.37 | johnx | I love arping |
| 14:14.45 | johnx | laziest way ever to look up MAC addresses |
| 14:14.47 | qwerty12_N800 | wants 810 wimax for bigger initfs partition |
| 14:15.06 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, you can load initfs over the flasher, right? |
| 14:15.25 | lcuk | i only want an ide now :) |
| 14:15.29 | qwerty12_N800 | I think so, i kept flashing though |
| 14:15.52 | johnx | maybe this is a development initfs that has extra debugging and isn't meant to be flashed |
| 14:16.20 | qwerty12_N800 | what about the kernel though? |
| 14:16.21 | lcuk | optimization is the final stage |
| 14:16.30 | johnx | load both "over the wire" |
| 14:17.13 | lcuk | is it easy to reformat my external mmc? |
| 14:17.42 | qwerty12_N800 | file manager can do it |
| 14:17.49 | lcuk | o rly |
| 14:18.08 | qwerty12_N800 | ya rly |
| 14:18.22 | lcuk | wicked! |
| 14:18.46 | lcuk | but what fs does it give |
| 14:18.52 | johnx | FAT |
| 14:19.01 | johnx | 16 for <2GB, 32 for >2GB |
| 14:19.04 | lcuk | well thats not exactly what i need :P |
| 14:19.11 | lcuk | how do i format using the same fs as / |
| 14:19.18 | qwerty12_N800 | oh,you need it ext2 for exec? |
| 14:19.19 | johnx | you don't |
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| 14:19.32 | johnx | use ext2 or ext3 |
| 14:19.55 | qwerty12_N800 | / is jffs2, u dont want that |
| 14:20.11 | lcuk | ok why not? |
| 14:20.23 | johnx | it's for raw NAND devices only |
| 14:20.37 | qwerty12_N800 | jffs2 is compressed, it's meant for flash devices |
| 14:20.41 | johnx | the N800 can only see the mmc card as a block device (like a hd) |
| 14:21.03 | johnx | and it doesn't matter whether you want it or not: you can't have it. :) |
| 14:21.16 | lcuk | ahhh ok, then how do i do ext2? |
| 14:21.18 | johnx | mkfs.ext2 -m5 /dev/mmcblk0p1 (will leave 5% reserved for root, or -m0 for no reserved space) |
| 14:21.28 | johnx | 5% is the default |
| 14:21.29 | qwerty12_N800 | if you want it to be ext2, follow the many cloneing guides |
| 14:21.41 | qwerty12_N800 | minus the clone process |
| 14:22.07 | lcuk | i tried following one of the cloning guides but was geared towards 800 with different mmcblk layouts and i didnt want to format the wrong one |
| 14:22.23 | johnx | aaah... is your card partitioned? |
| 14:22.30 | lcuk | it is now - as fat |
| 14:22.41 | johnx | errr...but just one big FAT partition? |
| 14:22.49 | lcuk | i stopped when my settings were different to the listed ones |
| 14:22.53 | lcuk | yer |
| 14:23.12 | johnx | the p1 part means 1st partition, and you only have one :) |
| 14:23.32 | johnx | /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounts on /media/mmc2 |
| 14:23.43 | lcuk | mmc is built in card on 810 |
| 14:23.46 | johnx | /dev/mmc1blk1 mounts on /media/mmc1 |
| 14:23.46 | lcuk | mmc2 |
| 14:24.09 | johnx | you can see for yourself with "mount" |
| 14:24.24 | qwerty12_N800 | mmc1 is the external removable card in 810 afaik |
| 14:24.31 | lcuk | yer it is |
| 14:26.06 | lcuk | its a shame i cant just format directly the /media/mmc2 device without havign to identify the mmcblk related |
| 14:26.18 | johnx | nah, it's not |
| 14:26.26 | johnx | it's better this way for complicated reasons :) |
| 14:26.53 | qwerty12_N800 | linux works in devices for "low" level stuff, not mount points |
| 14:27.13 | lcuk | well i would feel comfotable working with what i read and see and use. like on windows, i format c drive i dont care where on the ide bus it is |
| 14:27.32 | johnx | It's *really, really* nice that you can have any arbitrary block device make up any part of the file system |
| 14:27.57 | johnx | after you get comfortable with the disconnect you'll probably like it too |
| 14:28.18 | qwerty12_N800 | to anyone using diablo, have they tried sp-oops-extract? |
| 14:29.25 | johnx | lcuk, that disconnect between device and mount point is what makes booting from SD a completely "hack-less" process. Nokia didn't have to do any extra work to make it behave. |
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| 14:31.43 | qwerty12_N800 | sp-oops-extract: "Description: A tool for extracting OOPS/panic logs. this small tool allows the extraction of OOPS and panic logs from selected mtd device" |
| 14:31.51 | johnx | fun |
| 14:33.07 | lcuk | ok johnx where can i list which mmcblks there are and things like capacity |
| 14:33.27 | johnx | mount lists what device is on which mountpoint |
| 14:33.36 | johnx | df -h lists the capacity and usage of mounted filesystems |
| 14:33.58 | johnx | if we *had* fdisk you could use fdisk -l to list the capacity of unmounted filesystems |
| 14:34.27 | lcuk | its ok, the df command gives me the info i need :) thanks |
| 14:34.31 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, you know you want to compile :p |
| 14:34.39 | lcuk | /dev/mmcblk1p1 966.8M 4.0k 966.8M 0% /media/mmc1 |
| 14:34.54 | johnx | yup, looks like your external card |
| 14:35.08 | jaska | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.15 | lcuk | yer ive got the full list, i havent seen anything which relates them before |
| 14:35.18 | johnx | ah, *smacks forhead* |
| 14:35.38 | johnx | jaska is right of course :) |
| 14:43.36 | qwerty12_N800 | anyone know the svn locations of the maemo versions of apt & dpkg? |
| 14:44.28 | johnx | are they different from mainline debian? O_o |
| 14:45.14 | qwerty12_N800 | I dunno,I just want to be sure :) |
| 14:45.45 | qwerty12_N800 | apt version is something like maemo1 though |
| 14:45.48 | johnx | well, they have to have source up, but it might not be in svn...it's probably a really simple patch or something |
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| 14:51.17 | qwerty12 | is now getting down to some initfs hacking muhahahahahz |
| 14:51.52 | johnx | updates to diablo |
| 14:52.29 | johnx | I'm going to try booting the diablo initrd without flashing it or the kernel to see if it even works at this point |
| 14:52.39 | johnx | the joke would be on us if it's just broken this weak :) |
| 14:52.44 | johnx | s/weak/week/g |
| 14:52.47 | qwerty12 | lol :D |
| 14:52.58 | qwerty12 | johnx, which one? the original or my ripped one? |
| 14:53.03 | johnx | the original |
| 14:53.07 | qwerty12 | Ah :) |
| 14:53.22 | t_s_o | heh, its like watching kids in a candy store after closing |
| 14:53.44 | johnx | t_s_o, you're just jealous :) |
| 14:54.18 | t_s_o | more likely careful. i did one to many reflashes of my 770 before it went wsod... |
| 14:54.36 | qwerty12 | has flashed diablo 4 times already |
| 14:54.38 | johnx | I don't think there's any known WSOD problem with the n8x0 |
| 14:54.49 | johnx | and I know people have flashed more than me... |
| 14:54.53 | johnx | so I'm not too worried |
| 14:54.57 | qwerty12 | me for instance... |
| 14:55.01 | johnx | heh |
| 14:55.07 | johnx | wasn't gonna say it :D |
| 14:55.14 | qwerty12 | lol :D |
| 14:55.30 | johnx | I've flashed my poor zauruses quite a bit as well |
| 14:55.58 | qwerty12 | I've flashed my phone so much times that the battery cover is loose now :/ |
| 14:56.10 | t_s_o | lets just say i want to have a N800 i can use without having to reflash ever so often ;) |
| 14:57.04 | johnx | romps through the candy store...*nom, nom, nom* |
| 14:57.27 | acydlord | anyone know the specs on the keyboard backlight leds? i'm getting bored of the blue |
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| 14:59.03 | qwerty12 | I still wish this guy had put up his source somewhere: http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2494/1497/1600/434726/screenshot03.png |
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| 15:01.42 | qwerty12 | Ok, I think I found apt source: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/ |
| 15:01.45 | johnx | great, just got an I/O error downloading .debs to my SD card O_o |
| 15:01.55 | johnx | ah, good |
| 15:02.20 | qwerty12 | johnx, are you using high speed kernel? |
| 15:02.25 | johnx | nope |
| 15:02.36 | johnx | fresh reflash to os2008 51-3 |
| 15:02.40 | qwerty12 | Give it an fsck and try again. my old card did that. |
| 15:02.44 | johnx | fscking card now |
| 15:02.53 | johnx | this is my "debian dev" card |
| 15:02.57 | qwerty12 | Or download the packages via computer, it's what I did and it works great. |
| 15:03.03 | johnx | so it sees lots of writes and big compiles |
| 15:03.08 | johnx | it might just be dying :( |
| 15:03.09 | qwerty12 | ah |
| 15:03.44 | qwerty12 | Anyone know the svn link for this: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/ ? |
| 15:04.09 | qwerty12 | forget it, it works. |
| 15:05.16 | qwerty12 | Here is dpkg source - https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/dpkg/1.14.7maemo5/ . Arent I resourceful ^-^ |
| 15:05.18 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 15:05.58 | Jaffa | af'noon, all |
| 15:06.02 | qwerty12 | afternoon |
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| 15:10.40 | qwerty12 | Ok, I've compiled apt. How do I install it, make install doesn't work. |
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| 15:11.46 | johnx | you compiled on the tablet? |
| 15:12.03 | qwerty12 | in scratchbox, I need the new headers etc |
| 15:12.09 | johnx | normally you'd package a .deb of it |
| 15:12.15 | qwerty12 | ah, ok thanks. |
| 15:12.19 | johnx | so dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 15:12.37 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 15:12.51 | johnx | sure, call it enlightened self interest :) |
| 15:13.20 | qwerty12 | hehe :). I like SSU, it means I have copy of original debs if things mess up |
| 15:13.37 | johnx | yes, that will be very nice for people I think |
| 15:13.56 | johnx | it would also be cool to keep that one package that marks all the right versions of default stuff |
| 15:14.12 | qwerty12 | the osso-software-version thing? |
| 15:14.16 | johnx | yeah |
| 15:14.32 | johnx | tell people: "you have problems?" run apt-get -f install osso-software-version-default or whatever |
| 15:14.39 | johnx | and get them back to nokia versions |
| 15:14.43 | qwerty12 | I wonder what unlocked means? :/. Is Marius Vollmer on here? |
| 15:14.44 | qwerty12 | Yeah :) |
| 15:15.10 | johnx | unlocked? maybe it doesn't accept updates by default? |
| 15:15.18 | johnx | maybe there's an opt-in? |
| 15:15.26 | johnx | or maybe it's really a phone! |
| 15:15.41 | qwerty12 | Yeah, probably. There is an package without the locked but no one has tried it. |
| 15:15.42 | Stskeeps | lock in to wimax? :P |
| 15:15.44 | qwerty12 | Lol :P :) |
| 15:16.12 | qwerty12 | I need to get round to making that chinook initfs with the diablo ipv6 modules |
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| 15:16.25 | johnx | ok, no more I/O errors, so hopefully this will all automagically "just work" |
| 15:16.34 | qwerty12 | gl |
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| 15:20.16 | qwerty12 | has just installed my apt compiled pkgs. Now to do dpkg. |
| 15:21.44 | forge | It is doomed to fail |
| 15:21.55 | qwerty12 | Why? It's not big enough? :p |
| 15:22.11 | forge | Youre too hung on the big issue now |
| 15:22.18 | qwerty12 | Of course |
| 15:22.21 | forge | Bigger isn't always better! |
| 15:22.44 | qwerty12 | Lol, anyway, so why do you think it will fail? my scratchbox is already messed up |
| 15:22.44 | forge | It's how you use the space you have that makes or breaks it! |
| 15:23.00 | forge | Just spouting random words out of boredom |
| 15:23.06 | qwerty12 | oh lol |
| 15:23.19 | johnx | bigger is always better: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/manhattan-adventures-with-a-20-inch-laptop/ |
| 15:23.23 | forge | And imaging 9xx series tablet with proper hw etc :/ |
| 15:24.14 | forge | Or a better UI than what nokia is providing now |
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| 15:25.23 | forge | Waiting eagerly for someone to port mobile ubuntu on 770 :o |
| 15:25.49 | qwerty12 | now now, N8*0 before 770 ;) :P |
| 15:25.50 | johnx | so what are you looking for from ubuntu? |
| 15:26.18 | forge | The ui is more thumb friendly than what were using now |
| 15:26.45 | johnx | it also requires 512MB of RAM :) |
| 15:27.10 | forge | So they say but i could imagine one would get it to run with less if they tried :o |
| 15:27.11 | Jaffa | ...and a h/w accelerated GPU |
| 15:27.28 | johnx | forge, sure, 448MB of swap would work too |
| 15:27.35 | forge | :) |
| 15:27.38 | lcuk | mm hardware accelerated gpu |
| 15:28.03 | forge | That would be nice ... even on OS2008 :o |
| 15:29.06 | NullM0dem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.06 | NullM0dem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.09 | johnx | that being said, many of the other apps made for hildon for ubuntu mobile will be prime recompile candidates, once they're actually stable |
| 15:29.18 | NullM0dem | sorry dont know what that was |
| 15:29.29 | johnx | the revenge of whitespace :) |
| 15:29.31 | NullM0dem | yeah |
| 15:29.37 | NullM0dem | fell alseep on my keyboard at work |
| 15:29.39 | NullM0dem | :P |
| 15:29.40 | lcuk | nullmodem has line noise |
| 15:29.56 | NullM0dem | lol |
| 15:29.56 | johnx | armedslack would be pretty trivially easy if you borrowed bits from debian |
| 15:30.08 | NullM0dem | Thats what i was thinking |
| 15:30.55 | johnx | and using the console on an n800 with USB keyboard is just fun :) |
| 15:30.59 | NullM0dem | i like working with .tgz over apt the space saving would be immense |
| 15:31.05 | qwerty12 | johnx, forget aptitude, dselect compiles with dpkg package :P. w00t! :P |
| 15:31.06 | NullM0dem | true, I have the n810 |
| 15:31.12 | johnx | gah, dselect O_o |
| 15:31.31 | johnx | NullM0dem, so what's a "base" install for armedslack? |
| 15:31.40 | NullM0dem | i think around 300 |
| 15:32.01 | johnx | ah, so you do save ~30MB vs Debian I guess |
| 15:32.51 | NullM0dem | yes |
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| 15:32.58 | NullM0dem | not that it is critical |
| 15:33.20 | johnx | yeah, I'd pay 30MB for apt updates and installs any day |
| 15:33.50 | NullM0dem | i have used slackware for almost 8 years, im used to it |
| 15:34.00 | tank-man | whats this armedslack? |
| 15:34.04 | johnx | to each his own :) |
| 15:34.10 | NullM0dem | slackware for ARM |
| 15:34.17 | johnx | has been using Debian and/or Ubuntu for close to 10 |
| 15:34.17 | NullM0dem | yes |
| 15:34.43 | NullM0dem | ive used debian based system for about 3 |
| 15:34.51 | johnx | with any luck we can factor out the modifications into a nice distro agnostic sh script |
| 15:34.59 | johnx | that would pretty much be the best of both worlds |
| 15:35.52 | NullM0dem | :) |
| 15:36.28 | NullM0dem | i cannot imagine ubuntu on my n810... |
| 15:36.53 | johnx | think Debian, but with different package versions |
| 15:37.23 | johnx | now ubuntu + a full gnome desktop would be a little crazy |
| 15:37.36 | NullM0dem | iv'e tried, i stil cant shake that 512 meg requirement |
| 15:37.41 | johnx | but no more crazy than debian + a full gnome desktop |
| 15:37.52 | johnx | aaah...512MB for the ubuntu mobile UI? |
| 15:37.57 | NullM0dem | yeah |
| 15:38.01 | johnx | yeah, that's pretty steep |
| 15:38.11 | johnx | that's just not in the cards I think |
| 15:38.41 | NullM0dem | I have intstalled slack / debian with X on machines with 64 megs f ram |
| 15:38.48 | johnx | me too |
| 15:38.56 | johnx | it's on my zaurus |
| 15:39.27 | NullM0dem | Iv'e always wanted a zaurus but opted for the n810 |
| 15:39.42 | johnx | the CPU in the n8x0 is loads faster |
| 15:39.53 | johnx | but the newest zaurus had a fantastic d-pad |
| 15:39.58 | johnx | I'm glad to have both :) |
| 15:40.06 | johnx | fantastic d-pad and keyboard |
| 15:40.11 | qwerty12 | to me, zaurus's look more cool. But I've never tried one. |
| 15:40.11 | NullM0dem | I liked the mini laptop version c3000 i think it was |
| 15:40.31 | johnx | yeah, I have a C1000 (C3000 minus the micro drive) |
| 15:40.34 | NullM0dem | im tempted by the lifebook U series as well |
| 15:40.43 | MangoFusion | that looked a bit crazy. couldn't imagine typing on that ;) |
| 15:40.53 | johnx | small x86 systems do nothing for me O_o |
| 15:40.56 | johnx | MangoFusion, the zaurus? |
| 15:41.04 | MangoFusion | yes the clamshell one |
| 15:41.11 | lcuk | unless something drastic changes now i think ill have this nokia for a long while |
| 15:41.15 | johnx | you can thumb type or type with index and middle fingers |
| 15:41.16 | MangoFusion | though it looked cool in any case |
| 15:42.39 | lcuk | but whatever i get will have to have linux on it :) |
| 15:42.46 | NullM0dem | I would run scratchbox on the fujitsu U810 to compile apps for my nokia n810... |
| 15:42.47 | johnx | the best thing ever would be N800 hardware wedged in a zaurus case with zaurus keyboard and n800 screen :) |
| 15:43.01 | qwerty12 | What about N810 screen instead... |
| 15:43.13 | johnx | that would be nice |
| 15:43.35 | qwerty12 | I find it *really* hard to see my N800 in sunlight :/ |
| 15:43.51 | johnx | me too |
| 15:43.57 | johnx | it's actually worse than my zaurus I think |
| 15:44.02 | lcuk | i think im moving to fulltime compilation on 810. scratchbox within vmware feels like a cludge, i can use the editors within windows and a putty terminal and its all good |
| 15:44.37 | qwerty12 | johnx, it's worse than my 176x144 phone :/ |
| 15:44.44 | johnx | lcuk, which is funny, cause I'm trying to move away from native compilation to *anything* else |
| 15:44.55 | johnx | qwerty12, phones are *designed* to be used outside almost all the time... |
| 15:45.26 | qwerty12 | True but a proper screen would have still been nice. My PPC had a nicer screen. |
| 15:45.45 | lcuk | but for my own programs i know im in control of what happens, and depending on the file im compiling i can be running app within a couple of seconds, it saves a whole bunch of copying and moving to get it running |
| 15:45.54 | johnx | I want a zaurus 6000 to play with :( |
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| 15:46.56 | johnx | lcuk, oh definitely. no argument here. we just have opposite use cases and both initially took the path of least resistance |
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| 15:47.24 | lcuk | yer, i prefer not to build other peoples programs and will enjoy lounging on the beach coding next week :) |
| 15:48.49 | lcuk | i think my amiga used to take longer to compile and build |
| 15:49.04 | johnx | I'm glad that I was wrong :) |
| 15:49.20 | lcuk | wrong about? |
| 15:49.32 | johnx | native compiling being a bad idea for you |
| 15:50.24 | lcuk | yer, its deffo not. i just have to be careful not to build monster source and im ok |
| 15:51.18 | johnx | qwerty12, did you at any point end up with two panels running during apt-get install osso-diablo-whatever |
| 15:51.31 | qwerty12 | yes, it goes after reboot |
| 15:51.53 | johnx | I should take a screenshot |
| 15:52.11 | johnx | "why diablo is twice as good as chinook!" :) |
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| 15:53.21 | lcuk | johnx, this module kills compilating (takes 4 minutes) everything else is done in a couple of seconds |
| 15:53.22 | lcuk | http://pastebin.com/d27929083 |
| 15:53.48 | NullM0dem | is diablo a new environment for the NIT ? |
| 15:54.00 | lcuk | yer, son of chinook |
| 15:54.18 | johnx | basically a point release of OS2008 |
| 15:54.21 | johnx | maemo 4.1 |
| 15:54.34 | johnx | OS2008 "feature upgrade" by Nokia's reckoning |
| 15:54.42 | NullM0dem | i should try it |
| 15:54.49 | qwerty12 | cant wait for proper diablo sbox environment |
| 15:55.10 | johnx | lcuk, that looks pretty insane |
| 15:55.23 | johnx | is that "anything in the name of speed"? |
| 15:55.23 | NullM0dem | fonts! |
| 15:55.29 | lcuk | yer, it was a test to make brushes |
| 15:55.33 | lcuk | fonts are ttf ;) |
| 15:55.43 | NullM0dem | ah |
| 15:55.47 | johnx | maybe use an xpm? |
| 15:55.48 | NullM0dem | :) thats right |
| 15:55.55 | lcuk | these are custom glyphs but i wanted them coded inline |
| 15:56.15 | johnx | you can #include an xpm, IIRC |
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| 15:57.19 | lcuk | well i could have done them as static char asd[] = { ..... } declarations, but then i would have to seperate the actual glyph data from its definition |
| 15:57.44 | lcuk | if it put them into a single function call i get to keep them together and can simply use as required |
| 15:58.18 | johnx | your choice of course, and I'm sure you're far more familiar with this than me at this point :) |
| 15:58.35 | RST38h | finally fixed light gun simulation in iNES |
| 15:58.45 | lcuk | its ok, ive not used it, it was a test and will be using alternative methods |
| 15:58.49 | RST38h | Should be really cool on a tablet =)~~ |
| 15:59.06 | RST38h | DuckHunt with your finger, etc |
| 15:59.15 | lcuk | light gun sim? i thought light guns didnt work anymore with scanless tvs |
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| 15:59.21 | lcuk | oooooh now thats good |
| 15:59.49 | johnx | duckpoke? |
| 16:00.03 | qwerty12 | >.< |
| 16:02.39 | johnx | qwerty12, so it does boot if you don't flash the kernel or modules, right? |
| 16:02.49 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 16:03.03 | qwerty12 | I only found out about flashing the kernel afterwards |
| 16:03.07 | johnx | great |
| 16:03.12 | qwerty12 | No one else seemed to pick it up either :/ |
| 16:03.31 | johnx | I'll load initrd and kernel from flasher then |
| 16:03.55 | johnx | I really need a screenie of this desktop first though :) |
| 16:03.55 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 16:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I looked at flash-and-boot and ran screaming after I first installed it. |
| 16:04.12 | GeneralAntilles | Largely because I still needed to dual-boot. |
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| 16:04.23 | qwerty12 | I only realised about it when jott mentioned the initfs deb file |
| 16:04.32 | johnx | gah...nevermind with the screenie |
| 16:04.42 | johnx | don't want to install any software at this point :/ |
| 16:04.55 | qwerty12 | use a camera :/ |
| 16:05.02 | qwerty12 | not exactly a screenshot but... |
| 16:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | x11vnc |
| 16:05.10 | johnx | too late |
| 16:05.11 | qwerty12 | still installing something |
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| 16:06.34 | johnx | omgwtfboots! |
| 16:06.42 | qwerty12 | ? |
| 16:06.46 | johnx | it works |
| 16:06.54 | qwerty12 | the kernel and initfs? |
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| 16:07.04 | qwerty12 | or diablo in general :P |
| 16:07.05 | johnx | nah, just the system in general |
| 16:07.07 | johnx | diablo |
| 16:07.23 | johnx | I'll take a clean backup now with flasher :) |
| 16:07.27 | qwerty12 | ah :). after compiling synaptic, I'll start work on creating initfs |
| 16:07.46 | qwerty12 | atm, ipv6 support cannot be enabled due to using chinook initfs |
| 16:08.33 | qwerty12 | If I've got Diablo kernel installed, the modules should insmod fine right? |
| 16:08.56 | johnx | diablo kernel + chinook modules? |
| 16:08.58 | johnx | no guarantee |
| 16:09.08 | qwerty12 | no, diablo modules :) |
| 16:09.18 | qwerty12 | I'm inserting them into a chinook initfs |
| 16:09.55 | johnx | ah, yeah, that should work |
| 16:10.00 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 16:12.33 | qwerty12 | thinks about applying some of Marius apt patches to my desktop computer's apt |
| 16:13.03 | johnx | ah, such as? |
| 16:13.37 | qwerty12 | "- mmap.patch [**] |
| 16:13.38 | qwerty12 | Make it work in filesystems that don't support writable mmaps. |
| 16:13.38 | qwerty12 | - ignoretimeconflict.patch |
| 16:13.38 | qwerty12 | Don't fail to add or use keys when the clock is wrong. |
| 16:13.38 | qwerty12 | " |
| 16:14.53 | lcuk | \o/ niceeeeee full rebuild now takes 59seconds |
| 16:14.53 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, got any plans to update Diablo section :P |
| 16:17.37 | johnx | qwerty12, have an arm 0xFFFF binary handy? |
| 16:17.58 | qwerty12 | johnx, no sorry. mine got deleted with diablo flash |
| 16:18.02 | johnx | :( |
| 16:18.07 | qwerty12 | you want me to compile one? |
| 16:18.15 | johnx | need to fix my scratcbox first |
| 16:18.24 | johnx | this will have to wait until tomorrow I guess |
| 16:18.35 | johnx | ah, you offered? |
| 16:18.38 | qwerty12 | yep :) |
| 16:18.42 | johnx | ah, if it's not too much trouble :D |
| 16:18.49 | qwerty12 | Ok, give me a sec |
| 16:19.25 | qwerty12 | version 0.3.2 will be ok right? i don't have time to pull from latest svn/whatever |
| 16:19.34 | johnx | sure |
| 16:19.57 | lcuk | hmmm, its 5:18pm now, if i compile a file on windows and send it back with scp on the device its 5:18pm, but if on the device i make all the .o files at 6:18pm, any idea how to fix (both device show same time on desktop clocks) |
| 16:21.02 | qwerty12 | johnx, dcc ok? or name your favourite upload site. |
| 16:21.11 | johnx | dcc is fine I think |
| 16:21.20 | johnx | we'll have to see how it likes my NAT |
| 16:21.25 | qwerty12 | ok, mine may not be come think of it :p |
| 16:21.44 | qwerty12 | ooh, it worked :D |
| 16:21.44 | johnx | woo! |
| 16:21.59 | johnx | I didn't know I had auto-receive on O_o |
| 16:22.13 | qwerty12 | is sending virus |
| 16:22.21 | qwerty12 | johnx autorecieves |
| 16:22.24 | qwerty12 | muhahahahaha |
| 16:22.33 | johnx | you spelled it wrong :P |
| 16:22.34 | NullM0dem | lol |
| 16:22.50 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 16:23.06 | johnx | I didn't muck with the settings either |
| 16:23.15 | johnx | I think xchat does that by default O_o |
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| 16:24.45 | johnx | lcuk, could it have something to do with timezones? |
| 16:24.55 | johnx | are you one off from UTC right now? |
| 16:25.11 | lcuk | im thinking so, on the console of 810 i type date and i get: Sun May 11 17:20:02 BST 2008 |
| 16:25.45 | lcuk | i think its british summer time thats screwing me over |
| 16:26.39 | qwerty12 | johnx, I've got binary of 0xffff w/out libusb dependency if you want it (no idea what difference it makes on tablet though) |
| 16:26.58 | johnx | I don't think it will matter, I would assume |
| 16:27.02 | johnx | I'll try this one first |
| 16:27.09 | qwerty12 | yeah |
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| 16:28.56 | qwerty12 | I think I figured out how to change initfs logo. |
| 16:29.26 | johnx | it's been known for a while I thought |
| 16:29.40 | qwerty12 | I didn't know how. I asked and I never got any answers :/ |
| 16:29.55 | johnx | the first Nokia logo, right? |
| 16:29.58 | qwerty12 | yeah :) |
| 16:30.14 | johnx | yeah, it's in this really old "custom bootsplash" thread I thought |
| 16:30.24 | johnx | maybe I'm not remembering right though |
| 16:30.36 | qwerty12 | I'm not saying it's new, nah it wasn't there, thats for the logo after initfs |
| 16:30.49 | johnx | well it talked about both |
| 16:31.11 | qwerty12 | I don't remember that |
| 16:31.13 | johnx | I had a neat little debian logo that changed into a debian swirl halfway through :) |
| 16:34.19 | RST38h | qwerty: If you find out too much, Nokia will have to hire somebody to liquidate you =) |
| 16:34.37 | qwerty12 | lmao, I better run :p |
| 16:35.34 | qwerty12 | anyone with diablo and ipv6 support here? |
| 16:36.53 | RST38h | btw, any news on agps performance in diablo?=) |
| 16:37.00 | johnx | extracting rootfs w/ 0xFFFF is slooooow :/ |
| 16:37.13 | qwerty12 | RST38h, ask Aisu at ITT, he has installed it on N810 |
| 16:37.56 | johnx | qwerty12, you and I need to find a way to get into the next device program :) |
| 16:38.18 | qwerty12 | johnx, blackmail nokia :P :) |
| 16:38.33 | johnx | tell me how that works for you :P |
| 16:38.53 | qwerty12 | ok, just pay my fares to Helsinki/Espoo :p |
| 16:39.24 | johnx | sure what size cardboard box do you fit in? |
| 16:39.25 | RST38h | qwerty: yep, just seen his post |
| 16:39.46 | qwerty12 | johnx, extra extra large lol :p |
| 16:42.11 | johnx | maybe you can just blackmail the guy who works at your local nokia store? "I know that you secretly own an iPhone...let's talk..." |
| 16:42.56 | qwerty12 | lol, round in this part of London, most people cant afford iPhones :p |
| 16:43.13 | qwerty12 | i've got both initfs's saved. I'm gonna have a bit of fun |
| 16:43.41 | johnx | still waiting on my rootfs backup |
| 16:43.42 | johnx | how is it slower to read it then to write it O_o |
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| 16:43.57 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 16:44.08 | qwerty12 | I once had a Sony Ericsson mem stick that was like that |
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| 16:45.11 | johnx | I hate memory stick |
| 16:45.28 | qwerty12 | Same here |
| 16:45.30 | johnx | stupid sony and their proprietary ridiculousness |
| 16:45.47 | qwerty12 | I love SD cards and I'm glad N800 uses 2 full size ones |
| 16:45.54 | johnx | I'm mostly surprised that it outlived xD memory |
| 16:46.37 | qwerty12 | I don't xD ever really took off as well, I think only Fuji and Olympus supported it the most? |
| 16:47.04 | johnx | heh...and now they're back to SD, right? |
| 16:47.21 | qwerty12 | No idea, haven't looked at a camera in years :/ |
| 16:47.40 | johnx | I was looking at a canon recently, but only looking for now :/ |
| 16:48.07 | qwerty12 | I hardly take any pics come think of it |
| 16:48.12 | RST38h | I love the idea of all types of flash cards but SD dying terrible death |
| 16:48.23 | RST38h | Would be the day... |
| 16:48.34 | johnx | can I keep CF? |
| 16:48.37 | johnx | I really like it |
| 16:48.48 | johnx | you can use a CF->SDHC adapter if you want |
| 16:49.34 | Navi | I like CF. |
| 16:49.56 | Navi | Keeps my CF to IDE comfy |
| 16:50.42 | Navi | johnx, any eta to the debian release? |
| 16:50.53 | johnx | maybe sometime this week? |
| 16:50.55 | Navi | Would give me a reason to turn on my N800 |
| 16:51.44 | johnx | I think sound is doable and it's a pain having multiple versions out so I'd like this to be kind of a "most stuff works" release |
| 16:51.57 | Navi | heh |
| 16:52.06 | Navi | Why would you have multiple versions? |
| 16:52.32 | johnx | well if I release before sound works, then I'll have to do another release in a couple weeks or whatever |
| 16:52.40 | johnx | I don't really see the point |
| 16:52.42 | Navi | mmk |
| 16:53.02 | johnx | and also, I've been working my *$% off lately, so I'll probably do something when I have time off later this week |
| 16:54.16 | johnx | yeah, 13th and 14th off...maybe something will happen then |
| 16:54.26 | johnx | or maybe it won't...maybe I'll just sleep :) |
| 16:55.54 | Navi | !@# |
| 16:56.12 | johnx | eh? |
| 16:56.24 | Navi | You should sleep AND work on it at the same time. |
| 16:56.40 | Navi | And Quim on the 13th, yay |
| 16:56.53 | johnx | aaah...maybe I should get it done to announce then |
| 16:57.24 | johnx | good motivation :) |
| 16:57.24 | Navi | Ha |
| 16:57.41 | Navi | QUIM GUEZZ WAT I RELZED NU DEB LOL |
| 16:58.32 | johnx | actually, it would just be nice to have something concrete to point to when the inevitable questions come up |
| 16:58.55 | johnx | I should further my knowledge of hildon on zaurus as well... |
| 16:59.01 | Navi | heh |
| 16:59.28 | qwerty12 | How to save raw rgb in gimp? |
| 16:59.47 | johnx | like a bmp? |
| 17:00.09 | qwerty12 | not sure, all I know is that i have to make raw rgb |
| 17:00.13 | johnx | aaah |
| 17:00.24 | johnx | for your initfs image? |
| 17:00.29 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 17:00.30 | johnx | image = picture in this case |
| 17:00.35 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 17:00.48 | qwerty12 | I'm gonna take a guess, I'm testing it out on my tablet before I release anyway |
| 17:02.59 | qwerty12 | No, I did it wrong :/ |
| 17:04.17 | Navi | old GIMP can't save raw files |
| 17:04.27 | Navi | at least, it doesn't have very much support for it |
| 17:04.34 | qwerty12 | Is 2.4.5 old? |
| 17:04.52 | Navi | I guess :P |
| 17:04.56 | qwerty12 | damn |
| 17:04.57 | Navi | It's the latest stable |
| 17:05.00 | Navi | I think |
| 17:05.14 | Navi | Dev branch GIMP can, however unstable it may be |
| 17:05.24 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
| 17:05.41 | Navi | It can do a lot of stuff |
| 17:05.50 | Navi | (CYMK) |
| 17:06.37 | johnx | qwerty12, run file and tell me what it says about the file |
| 17:07.11 | qwerty12 | Which one lol,it's kinda messed up :/ |
| 17:07.14 | Navi | [12:00:19] <johnx> for your initfs image? <- bad pun |
| 17:07.30 | johnx | not really |
| 17:07.30 | Navi | er |
| 17:07.33 | Navi | s/bad/good/ |
| 17:07.34 | johnx | I'm actually that tired :) |
| 17:07.35 | Navi | >_> |
| 17:07.56 | johnx | tired enough to try and backup the rootfs to a directory on the rootfs :/ |
| 17:08.10 | Navi | lol |
| 17:08.44 | johnx | not my fault though. how was I supposed to know that 0xFFFF would try and save temp files in the CWD |
| 17:10.23 | Navi | qwerty12, do you use gmail? |
| 17:10.30 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 17:10.42 | Navi | mmk |
| 17:12.15 | Navi | I think I'm going to start forwarding all of my messages to my home box |
| 17:12.22 | Navi | instead of my gmail account |
| 17:12.50 | johnx | I believe "lulz" is appropriate: bug: You can't pick your home city any more :) |
| 17:13.06 | Navi | luls |
| 17:13.25 | Navi | in Diablo II: Lord of Destruction? |
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| 17:14.01 | johnx | Diablo: only for people in London |
| 17:14.10 | qwerty12 | noo, what's gonna happen? |
| 17:14.30 | Navi | We'll have to start typing like the brits |
| 17:14.53 | Navi | and talk with an English accent when using our N8X0s |
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| 17:15.00 | Navi | or Nokia will get you |
| 17:15.03 | johnx | actually "clocks" was behaving completely b0rken |
| 17:15.18 | qwerty12 | even I don't speak with my Yorkshire accent much anymore |
| 17:15.18 | johnx | rebooting to see if it was connected to be running out of space on flash |
| 17:15.42 | johnx | lost his accent :/ |
| 17:16.17 | johnx | n/m, false alarm |
| 17:16.34 | johnx | just related to almost filling up / |
| 17:16.34 | Navi | lol |
| 17:16.44 | johnx | I'd still call it a bug |
| 17:16.48 | johnx | just more of a corner case |
| 17:18.43 | qwerty12 | Bye |
| 17:21.12 | AStorm | hello |
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| 17:21.31 | AStorm | how do I disable "Presence" in tray? |
| 17:21.44 | johnx | disable all your accounts? |
| 17:21.45 | AStorm | (want to use pidgin instead) |
| 17:21.52 | AStorm | johnx: ah, right |
| 17:22.09 | AStorm | :P |
| 17:22.47 | johnx | well Diablo didn't add any useful maps :/ |
| 17:22.47 | Navi | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2481737462 |
| 17:22.51 | Navi | Doesn't look that bad |
| 17:23.11 | johnx | it's not that bad as long as it doesn't inherit the hildon gtk theme |
| 17:23.43 | Navi | oh, right |
| 17:24.31 | johnx | and I ran it with a 30px top bar and a 56px (or so) sidebar |
| 17:25.16 | Navi | :/ |
| 17:25.50 | johnx | which doesn't really help... |
| 17:25.57 | johnx | it's still *usable* like that though |
| 17:27.01 | Navi | I'd probably prefer it too :P |
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| 17:28.33 | johnx | google maps is still painfully slow :/ |
| 17:30.06 | Navi | Old browser engine |
| 17:30.37 | johnx | the rest of the desktop seems a little more responsive somehow though |
| 17:30.50 | Navi | Moving applets is much more responsive |
| 17:30.54 | Navi | used to be a huge pain |
| 17:31.00 | Navi | as well as resizing |
| 17:31.27 | johnx | yeah, and theoretically these are mostly debug builds too |
| 17:31.56 | johnx | do chinook "click to install"s still work? |
| 17:32.25 | Navi | I broke the browser trying to install the svn browser build |
| 17:32.32 | Navi | on Diablo, so bleh |
| 17:32.38 | johnx | well, I'll see in a sec |
| 17:36.32 | johnx | well besides the fact that it's ungodly slow, at least microb is less buggy |
| 17:40.37 | RST38h | Navi: Still no "lock applets" option? =) |
| 17:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook and Diablo stuff are backwards and forwards compatible. |
| 17:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | No, RST38h. |
| 17:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | People should stop bitching about that and just add it themselves. |
| 17:41.52 | RST38h | Pity. |
| 17:41.59 | GeneralAntilles | hildon-desktop is open source. |
| 17:42.07 | RST38h | No GPS improvements? |
| 17:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, GPS improvements |
| 17:42.17 | GeneralAntilles | AGPS, supposedly |
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| 17:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have an N810 to test it, though. |
| 17:43.04 | johnx | and my two "favorite" browser bugs are fixed |
| 17:43.29 | RST38h | has seen agps-related changes in the log, but Aisu reports he has not noticed any improvements |
| 17:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | Keyboard behavior is broken as shit in this release. |
| 17:43.40 | RST38h | ? |
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| 17:44.19 | johnx | tap+hold behaves better now, and fullscreen keyboard enter doesn't disregard your input, then send an enter |
| 17:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | In MicroB, rather. |
| 17:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | The fullscreen keyboard is much better behaved all around. |
| 17:45.34 | GeneralAntilles | Enter actually works |
| 17:45.52 | GeneralAntilles | as opposed to pressing enter, then having to bring up the vkb to press enter again to actually send. . . . :\ |
| 17:46.10 | johnx | also, smb feels faster |
| 17:46.18 | johnx | I'll torture test it later |
| 17:47.05 | timely | johnx: fwiw you should be able to upload from bluetooth in the browser |
| 17:47.36 | johnx | hey that's pretty cool |
| 17:47.45 | johnx | sadly my phone is IRDA only :/ |
| 17:47.51 | timely | if it doesn't work, it's my fault, and i'd like to know asap |
| 17:48.05 | johnx | I can try and test it with my desktop later |
| 17:48.13 | johnx | anything else I should poke+prod? |
| 17:48.24 | timely | i'm trying to work on the release notes |
| 17:48.33 | timely | sadly i have slightly more urgent real world challenges |
| 17:48.58 | timely | i can probably give you a url to my raw data if you want to browse through it |
| 17:49.07 | timely | but from experience, the raw data is usually 99.9% useless |
| 17:49.50 | johnx | I'll give it a look if it's no trouble for you |
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| 17:51.36 | eichi | hello |
| 17:51.56 | eichi | someone uses the daliclock as clock? how can i do, to make the clock allway light up in the night? |
| 17:51.57 | johnx | hi |
| 17:52.14 | johnx | is this on OS2008? |
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| 17:54.04 | eichi | yes |
| 17:55.05 | johnx | under control panel -> display -> select display lit while charging |
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| 17:59.26 | timely | gimme a bit |
| 18:00.08 | johnx | sure...uhm...I think the app manager is going to annoy me in diablo |
| 18:01.00 | johnx | it seems to be automagically removing any lines with chinook in the name... |
| 18:02.13 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm using chinook extras fine |
| 18:02.14 | timely | hrm |
| 18:02.24 | timely | technically application manager is open source |
| 18:02.32 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, what happens if you open app manager and try to install something? |
| 18:02.33 | timely | i can't remember which place has it |
| 18:02.39 | johnx | timely, I was just thinking the same thing |
| 18:02.44 | johnx | I know where its svn repo is |
| 18:02.50 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, it does it fine |
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| 18:02.52 | qwerty12_N800 | +1 |
| 18:02.57 | johnx | or ITT knows and so google knows and so I know :) |
| 18:03.02 | timely | johnx: i can look at the sources, but i'd rather do the other things i need to do :) |
| 18:03.15 | johnx | timely, don't worry about my blathering |
| 18:03.18 | johnx | do what you need to |
| 18:03.51 | qwerty12_N800 | timely, put in my quick mod to remove legal msg (line commenting) |
| 18:03.53 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 18:04.23 | johnx | I predict that we'll start to see more people take proper advantage of having the source soon |
| 18:06.01 | eichi | someone uses the QwikScript input methode? after installing..how can i use it? |
| 18:06.17 | johnx | eichi, have you read the thread on ITT? |
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| 18:06.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Pres s the thing under shift |
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| 18:06.35 | qwerty12_N800 | and go input method |
| 18:06.42 | qwerty12_N800 | you may need ti |
| 18:06.46 | eichi | johnx, no...itt? |
| 18:07.00 | johnx | internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 18:07.13 | qwerty12_N800 | to kill hildon input method 1st |
| 18:07.51 | johnx | or just reboot |
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| 18:15.50 | eichi | i installed it and can see it on the input methode menu. but cant choose it |
| 18:16.07 | johnx | have you rebooted since installing it? |
| 18:18.09 | qwerty12_N800 | you *may* need qt libraries (not sure9 |
| 18:18.15 | qwerty12_N800 | s/9/) |
| 18:19.10 | eichi | johnx, yes, i did |
| 18:19.23 | johnx | no ideas then |
| 18:19.40 | johnx | the thread is here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19869&highlight=qwikscript |
| 18:19.47 | johnx | I need to catch some sleep though |
| 18:20.35 | johnx | I'll look more at diablo stuff and debian after work tomorrow |
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| 18:39.05 | eichi | i got it! just select the input language to englisch_UK |
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| 19:00.04 | lcuk | cor blimey the doctors daughter is a bit of alright! |
| 19:04.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lmao |
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| 19:52.47 | Jaffa | lcuk: she was, wasn't she? Peter Davison's daughter too, which is quite cool. |
| 19:53.13 | lcuk | good to see we have a way out of the regeneration limit |
| 19:53.46 | Jaffa | hasn't checked Outpost Gallifrey yet to see if there are any better theories than the naff one I came up with for my wife as to why she didn't fully regnerate. |
| 19:54.06 | lcuk | cos shes better looking than any doctor ;) |
| 19:54.11 | Jaffa | heh |
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| 19:54.59 | Capn_Fish | johnx: You here? |
| 19:55.01 | lcuk | what was your theory then |
| 19:55.47 | Jaffa | lcuk: some kind of "well, it was only a flesh wound so a full regeneration, just a bit of healing was necessary". Doesn't really hold water, tho'. |
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| 19:56.49 | KotCzarny | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddVGAAdapter |
| 19:56.50 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:56.51 | lcuk | i couldn't help but think if she got a mouth that sucks like a dyson shes in the wrong profession |
| 19:56.58 | lcuk | mornin kot |
| 19:57.02 | rm_you | Capn_Fish: he appears to be asleep according to AIM away, if that can be trusted :) |
| 19:57.02 | KotCzarny | hi hi |
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| 19:58.01 | Cptnodegard | bah not you again...damn nickalert tripper |
| 19:58.36 | Capn_Fish | rm_you: Thanks. I don't know what his timezone is, so I'm just popping semi-randomly :) |
| 19:58.41 | rm_you | heh |
| 19:58.46 | rm_you | he's in Japan |
| 19:58.52 | Capn_Fish | Joy. |
| 19:59.19 | rm_you | though the hours he keeps sometimes should mesh with our hemisphere |
| 19:59.29 | Capn_Fish | Thanks. I'll try to catch him when he may be awake |
| 19:59.29 | rm_you | what did you need him for? :P |
| 19:59.41 | Capn_Fish | Just to chat about his Debian builds and stuff |
| 19:59.44 | rm_you | ah |
| 19:59.57 | rm_you | we work on a lot of the same projects, so often I can answer questions and such |
| 20:00.19 | Capn_Fish | I was mostly wondering when it'll be ready for me to try :D |
| 20:00.38 | rm_you | heh |
| 20:00.42 | Capn_Fish | I got an N810 assuming I could put Angstrom/Debian on it, you see |
| 20:00.50 | rm_you | hopefully he releases his second awesome version soon :) |
| 20:00.56 | rm_you | ah, lol |
| 20:00.56 | Capn_Fish | OS2008 is relatively lousy |
| 20:01.05 | rm_you | did you used to use a zaurus? |
| 20:01.08 | Capn_Fish | Won't it be v3 |
| 20:01.11 | rm_you | maybe |
| 20:01.15 | rm_you | i lost track |
| 20:01.15 | Capn_Fish | I still use my Z more than my N810 |
| 20:01.22 | rm_you | which one do you have? |
| 20:01.24 | Capn_Fish | I have a C750 and a C3100 |
| 20:01.26 | rm_you | ah |
| 20:01.36 | Capn_Fish | The 750 is mostly unused, though |
| 20:01.36 | rm_you | i always kind of wanted a C3x00 |
| 20:01.46 | Capn_Fish | What do you have? |
| 20:01.48 | rm_you | the only one i ever owned was a collie |
| 20:01.53 | rm_you | SL5500 |
| 20:01.53 | Capn_Fish | Ah. |
| 20:01.58 | Capn_Fish | I know :) |
| 20:02.02 | rm_you | yeah :) |
| 20:02.07 | rm_you | i miss it :/ |
| 20:02.08 | Capn_Fish | I'm actually rebuilding Angstrom for it now |
| 20:02.10 | rm_you | but not much |
| 20:02.20 | rm_you | it had... problems |
| 20:02.41 | Capn_Fish | The Z owns the N8x0 ATM due to the number of working OSs |
| 20:02.48 | Capn_Fish | "Real" OSs |
| 20:02.58 | rm_you | heh |
| 20:02.59 | rm_you | well |
| 20:03.04 | Capn_Fish | Meaning straight-up X11, being able to choose your WM, etc. |
| 20:03.04 | lcuk | i didnt get my 810 to keep swapping OSes |
| 20:03.05 | KotCzarny | why do you need number of os's ? |
| 20:03.08 | glass | all you need is one good os |
| 20:03.11 | rm_you | my zaurus never worked as well (or as fast, obviously) as my n800 |
| 20:03.15 | KotCzarny | you need only one |
| 20:03.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:03.34 | Capn_Fish | OK, then the N810 has no good OS, IMO |
| 20:03.40 | Capn_Fish | Not to start a flamewar |
| 20:03.45 | rm_you | i don't mind ITOS |
| 20:04.01 | rm_you | it *works* most of the time, which is a bonus over OpenZaurus |
| 20:04.19 | lcuk | os2008 is not suited to your needs, fine no problem :) a lot of people are happy though |
| 20:04.22 | rm_you | I never got to use Angstrom really |
| 20:04.38 | Capn_Fish | I'd give up some things working on the N810 for more control |
| 20:05.39 | Capn_Fish | I've been using Angstrom for a while, and while the default images are lousy, I made a custom one that is pretty standard Linux-like |
| 20:06.28 | lcuk | so, what do you want to do on your 810? |
| 20:06.52 | lopz | re |
| 20:06.53 | Capn_Fish | Coding, OS hacking, some games, mobile internet access,etc. |
| 20:07.07 | rm_you | coding is the only thing i haven't managed yet |
| 20:07.09 | Capn_Fish | With a decent WM and CLI access |
| 20:07.14 | rm_you | well, in any compiled languages |
| 20:07.23 | lcuk | can't you do all that already? hell, even me as a windows user and linux n00b is compiling direct on device and having a whale of a time |
| 20:07.25 | Capn_Fish | And no Hildon |
| 20:07.26 | rm_you | a more flexible WM would be nice |
| 20:07.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:07.36 | Capn_Fish | EvilWM FTW! |
| 20:07.56 | Capn_Fish | Makes great use of your precious embedded screen real estate |
| 20:08.07 | lcuk | theres a hardware fullscreen button for a reason |
| 20:08.13 | KotCzarny | at 225dpi it doesn't matter much |
| 20:08.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:08.20 | Capn_Fish | True. |
| 20:08.35 | Capn_Fish | To me it does, but I'm weird |
| 20:08.41 | KotCzarny | and i second lcuk's opinion on fullscreen |
| 20:08.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:09.15 | Capn_Fish | It's also nice to actually be able to move windows around the screen and save on RAM |
| 20:09.19 | lcuk | just think of hildon as a pretty front end to all that raw power lurking underneath |
| 20:09.39 | Capn_Fish | Pretty frontends have never been my thing :) |
| 20:09.49 | KotCzarny | i think they should have included hw alt-tab like button |
| 20:09.56 | rm_you | i just want the maemo-hackers xterm back >_> |
| 20:09.57 | rm_you | i miss that |
| 20:10.01 | KotCzarny | to keep people from b*tching |
| 20:10.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:10.16 | Capn_Fish | THe keymapping is another thing the Z has over the N810 |
| 20:10.25 | lcuk | KotCzarny, cant that be setup? |
| 20:10.30 | glass | KotCzarny: isn't pressing home for a long time like it |
| 20:10.41 | kpel | what's the easiest way to gain root on an N800 running OS2008 ? |
| 20:10.48 | lcuk | grab app list, move to next and open with your doofer |
| 20:10.49 | Capn_Fish | kpel: install gainroot |
| 20:10.55 | glass | KotCzarny: like 'tabbing'.. the same way it's doen on series60.. pressing app key for a long perioid gets you an app list of running stuff |
| 20:10.55 | kpel | i have gainroot installed but doesn't seem to work |
| 20:10.58 | Capn_Fish | THen just do a "sudo gainroot", and voila |
| 20:11.03 | kpel | will try again, thanks |
| 20:11.06 | Capn_Fish | np |
| 20:11.07 | KotCzarny | glass, you need to move your finger to dpad from 'home' |
| 20:11.10 | Capn_Fish | Best of luxk |
| 20:11.23 | Capn_Fish | *luck |
| 20:11.32 | glass | KotCzarny: hw buttons tend to need that |
| 20:11.41 | KotCzarny | i like alt-tab functionality to quickly switch between 2 apps |
| 20:11.52 | Capn_Fish | I agree |
| 20:11.58 | lcuk | wheres alt-tab on your 800 :P |
| 20:12.03 | Capn_Fish | Or ctrl-alt-m |
| 20:12.07 | glass | KotCzarny: hmm. doesnt pressing it once scroll between running apps? |
| 20:12.13 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i can map some hw button probably |
| 20:12.23 | glass | KotCzarny: like it does on s60? |
| 20:12.25 | Capn_Fish | Where are the keymaps on the N810? |
| 20:12.33 | lcuk | yer, i know and on a real bt keyboard it would be mega useful |
| 20:12.36 | KotCzarny | glass: tbh i haven't really checked, but you still need to do 2 clicks at least |
| 20:12.42 | glass | KotCzarny: press it long, up comes the list, short taps go through apps and another long press selects |
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| 20:13.34 | kpel | Capn_Fish: i get "cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" |
| 20:13.37 | practisevoodoo | any way to convert a maemo map tracking file to a .kmz? |
| 20:13.51 | Capn_Fish | kpel: Do you have an N810? |
| 20:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, sse2.net/xterm |
| 20:14.05 | kpel | Capn_Fish: nope, as i said above it's a N800 running OS2008 |
| 20:14.09 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:14.11 | Capn_Fish | kpel: THere was a thread about corrupted NAND |
| 20:14.12 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: <3 |
| 20:14.20 | Capn_Fish | rm_you: I typed before I thought :( |
| 20:14.21 | kpel | gainroot used to work before the last os2008 update |
| 20:14.39 | kpel | Capn_Fish: is the corruption repairable? |
| 20:14.43 | Capn_Fish | Maybe corruption is an issue? |
| 20:14.44 | rm_you | ? |
| 20:14.48 | Capn_Fish | hang on |
| 20:15.30 | Capn_Fish | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043&highlight=corrupt |
| 20:15.37 | Capn_Fish | Check that thread |
| 20:15.41 | kpel | ok thanks |
| 20:15.46 | rm_you | who owns sse2.net? |
| 20:16.01 | Capn_Fish | I don't know if it applies, but it's worth a shot |
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| 20:16.09 | KotCzarny | jott, probably |
| 20:16.33 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do i need to install ALL of these packages? |
| 20:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 20:16.41 | rm_you | also, is it going to replace my old xterm or add another? |
| 20:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | Replace. |
| 20:17.01 | rm_you | cool. |
| 20:17.45 | Capn_Fish | What's different about this XTerm? |
| 20:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's better. |
| 20:18.46 | rm_you | well, better ctrl-* functionality, for one |
| 20:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | Not hindered by Nokia's retarded UI spec |
| 20:19.10 | Capn_Fish | Hmm...Sounds good |
| 20:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | I still don't understand why people always clamber for more bundled stuff from Nokia. . . . |
| 20:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's bundled stuff always sucks. :\ |
| 20:20.34 | Capn_Fish | Agreed. |
| 20:20.49 | KotCzarny | yup, wnokryptia |
| 20:20.50 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 20:20.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:20.53 | Capn_Fish | I'm clamoring for more Debian |
| 20:20.54 | Capn_Fish | :) |
| 20:20.55 | rm_you | sweeeet |
| 20:21.03 | rm_you | <3 |
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| 20:23.50 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: because nokia's stuff is officialy supported |
| 20:24.02 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 20:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | That's another reason not to |
| 20:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | Officially supported just means updates only come out once every 6 months. |
| 20:24.34 | kpel | so if something goes wrong, nokia assuems liability. with the unsupported stuff the user will get just some comforting words from us here :) |
| 20:24.45 | kpel | 6 months is a long time? |
| 20:25.02 | KotCzarny | and my programs are officially supported by me |
| 20:25.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:25.09 | Capn_Fish | Mine too! |
| 20:25.17 | Capn_Fish | Until I lose interest |
| 20:25.20 | GeneralAntilles | Compared to the open source stuff's update cycles. |
| 20:25.21 | KotCzarny | true |
| 20:25.22 | kpel | lol, word |
| 20:25.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | It also means stupid bugs that should never have been introduced don't get fixed for 3 years. |
| 20:25.39 | Capn_Fish | I agree. 6 months on an OSS device is much too long |
| 20:25.50 | GeneralAntilles | No, as a longtime tablet owner and user, bundling is not a desirable thing. |
| 20:26.00 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: if i recall correctly, a release cycle of 6 motnhs was described as a good thing(TM) in the cathedral and the bazaar. |
| 20:26.23 | GeneralAntilles | and, really, I don't think you understand exactly how retarded the UI spec is. |
| 20:26.34 | kpel | i mean, i don't think it's bad that thr apache project doesn't make a new release every week. |
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| 20:26.46 | KotCzarny | release cycle doesn't matter as long there is an update repository |
| 20:26.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:26.54 | KotCzarny | updated often |
| 20:27.10 | KotCzarny | (quick bug fixes) |
| 20:27.34 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: as long as i'm covered by the manufacturer's warranty i don't really care about the specs. i don't pay omney to care, i pay money to enjoy my toy :) |
| 20:27.35 | lcuk | this new update system should allow that |
| 20:27.40 | lcuk | or so i believe |
| 20:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | kpel, no, fast release cycles aren't inherently a good or bad thing |
| 20:27.53 | kpel | if all this was about a cheap pc that would be another story |
| 20:27.56 | GeneralAntilles | but apache also has a reasonably stable product |
| 20:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia does not |
| 20:28.05 | rm_you | fast release cycles of CRAP < slow release cycles of GOOD |
| 20:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | Therefor frequent updates to close as many bugs as possible are desirable. |
| 20:28.16 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: what wasn't stable with the latest official nokia release? |
| 20:28.21 | rm_you | admittedly, Nokia does a pretty good job with releases IMO |
| 20:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots and lots and lots. |
| 20:28.31 | kpel | rm_you: agreed |
| 20:28.41 | Capn_Fish | I agree. 6 months on an OSS device is much too long |
| 20:28.46 | Capn_Fish | But fast release cycles of crap > slow release cycles of crap |
| 20:28.52 | Capn_Fish | Sorry, hit up |
| 20:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it certainly makes it technically feasible, but it doesn't mean that it'll actually happen. :( |
| 20:29.02 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: the only annoying thing i found in nokia's official stuff is that the exit command in the xterm causes an infinite loop |
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| 20:29.11 | GeneralAntilles | Exactly, Capn_Fish. |
| 20:29.21 | GeneralAntilles | You haven't been using it very long then? |
| 20:29.26 | Capn_Fish | Me? |
| 20:29.40 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: only since september |
| 20:29.40 | Capn_Fish | nm |
| 20:29.47 | kpel | since the os2007 days |
| 20:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | kpel, I dunno, then you either haven't been paying attention or don't use your device very much. :\ |
| 20:30.30 | kpel | could very well be the case |
| 20:30.47 | lcuk | so go on gen, what probs have you noticed |
| 20:31.19 | Capn_Fish | Way OT, but there's no native compiler for the N810, is there? |
| 20:31.28 | lcuk | cos i also havent seen any actual bugs yet, i know they exist but have never effected me |
| 20:31.34 | lcuk | yes |
| 20:31.35 | lcuk | gcc |
| 20:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're kidding, right? |
| 20:31.42 | lcuk | im using it right now |
| 20:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | The GPS is a bug. . . . |
| 20:31.46 | Capn_Fish | Natively? |
| 20:31.50 | Capn_Fish | Or cross? |
| 20:32.03 | kpel | ermm.. you are referring to the N810 device only? |
| 20:32.06 | lcuk | hardware, no amount of gpl will sort it (unless this agps does work..) |
| 20:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | Virtual keyboard input is incredibly buggy |
| 20:32.22 | lcuk | native compilation |
| 20:32.28 | lcuk | direct on mmc1 |
| 20:32.29 | Capn_Fish | Well, all I have is an N810, so anything else isn't of much use to me |
| 20:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, I'm not arguing for GPL lcuk |
| 20:32.40 | Capn_Fish | lcuk: Where did you obtain this native compiler? |
| 20:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | just that Nokia ships buggy software |
| 20:32.47 | KotCzarny | capn: apt-get |
| 20:32.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:32.49 | lcuk | maemo-extras i believe |
| 20:33.08 | lcuk | ill just pop up my repos, i havent got many |
| 20:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | The "Map" application is one giant bug |
| 20:33.53 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: i agree that there are bugs. but that's a long way from saying that product X is unstable. |
| 20:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | bundled xterm is another giant bug |
| 20:34.04 | lcuk | hum, will apt-cache list which repo a package is currently reporting from? |
| 20:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager in Chinook crashes ALL THE TIME |
| 20:34.25 | lcuk | crashes? |
| 20:34.37 | kpel | i find that most bugs are annoying (but still unacceptable) not really showstoppers |
| 20:34.38 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, just search gronmayer? |
| 20:34.43 | qwerty12_N800 | hell yes |
| 20:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | kpel, no, they're not show stoppers |
| 20:35.02 | Capn_Fish | lcuk: I have all the repos on the N810 enabled that are there |
| 20:35.10 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | but my argument is that having Nokia bundle stuff is a less than desirable solution |
| 20:35.20 | KotCzarny | capn, that's a recipe for a fail |
| 20:35.34 | kpel | i wouldn't mind nokia bundling stuff as long as it's quality stuff |
| 20:35.38 | KotCzarny | i have only enabled extras and canola |
| 20:35.44 | NullM0dem | there are howtos that recommend turing on all repos |
| 20:35.49 | qwerty12_N800 | i did that (all repos) = instant slowdown |
| 20:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | kpel, by definition, it can't be. |
| 20:35.56 | NullM0dem | i did do it |
| 20:36.02 | NullM0dem | umm did not |
| 20:36.08 | KotCzarny | nm: those howtos are wrong |
| 20:36.12 | NullM0dem | i know |
| 20:36.22 | Capn_Fish | Yet another reason to dislike OS200x |
| 20:36.23 | kpel | but then again, what percentage of the opensource community would like to follow the quality process of nokia? won't it be like herding cats? |
| 20:36.38 | KotCzarny | capn: you can do "stupid things" in ANY os |
| 20:36.55 | KotCzarny | and it's your responsibility to know how to use a tool |
| 20:37.18 | Capn_Fish | So enabling pre-set features on a standard hardware platform is stupid? |
| 20:37.26 | Capn_Fish | Perhaps the OS is stupid, I should think |
| 20:37.29 | KotCzarny | define pre-set features |
| 20:37.37 | Capn_Fish | I didn't add any repos |
| 20:37.51 | Capn_Fish | They were there when I turned the device on for the first time |
| 20:37.56 | KotCzarny | ok, i thought you have enabled all repos from gronmayer |
| 20:37.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:38.06 | Capn_Fish | I just enabled them. If they put them there, how can it be stupid to enable them? |
| 20:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | The only repo turned off by default is Extras |
| 20:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | and that's fine to enable. |
| 20:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | "them" |
| 20:38.20 | GeneralAntilles | You enabled ONE |
| 20:38.24 | GeneralAntilles | There is no "them" |
| 20:38.26 | Capn_Fish | I couldn't remember |
| 20:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | You confused us by using "them" |
| 20:38.43 | Capn_Fish | My apologies |
| 20:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | It sounded like you went and took every repo off gronmayer. ;) |
| 20:39.02 | GeneralAntilles | Which is a BAD PLAN |
| 20:39.06 | Capn_Fish | I don't even know what gronmayer is |
| 20:39.08 | lcuk | then why do they exist? |
| 20:39.10 | qwerty12_N800 | I once did... |
| 20:39.12 | NullM0dem | i read a howto that said that was ok, I didnt follow that step |
| 20:39.22 | KotCzarny | lcuk: because everyone can create a repo |
| 20:39.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Stupid move that i did |
| 20:39.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:39.27 | KotCzarny | lcuk: even you :> |
| 20:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, why do what exist? |
| 20:39.40 | lcuk | and so whats the problem with installing from each rpoe |
| 20:39.42 | lcuk | repo |
| 20:39.42 | KotCzarny | then convince users to add it |
| 20:39.42 | Capn_Fish | I know that going into a Debian (based) system and putting in every repo you can find is a bad idea |
| 20:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | All repos? |
| 20:39.46 | KotCzarny | then do stupid things |
| 20:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | Conflicting packages |
| 20:39.57 | KotCzarny | like adding conflicting packages |
| 20:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | Packages that replace system stuff (like the arabic and hebrew input method repos) |
| 20:40.14 | lcuk | then thats apt-gets problem for not having priorities surely? |
| 20:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | Testing repos, like extras-devel |
| 20:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk . . . |
| 20:40.38 | KotCzarny | lcuk, apt-get uses highest version i think |
| 20:40.46 | KotCzarny | from any repo it can find |
| 20:40.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:40.52 | NullM0dem | yum has a priority plugin i thnk apt may as well |
| 20:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | apt does |
| 20:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | But how the hell do you want to set that up. . . . |
| 20:41.59 | kpel | configuration is always a tricky bit |
| 20:42.41 | lcuk | put nokia at the top, if a user wants something from somewhere else that conflicts they can damn well specifically select the alternative source |
| 20:43.08 | evaryont | Odd issue: When I start Music Player or Canola, they can't find any music, yet when I browse to a file directly within each, they play the file fine |
| 20:43.27 | kpel | weird |
| 20:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, easier solution is to just not install repos you don't need. |
| 20:43.39 | qwerty12_N800 | evaryont, check if their indexers are running |
| 20:43.48 | evaryont | qwerty12_N800: er, how? |
| 20:43.51 | lcuk | having users clicking ".install" files means its easier said than done |
| 20:43.59 | qwerty12_N800 | metalayer-crawler for built in media player |
| 20:44.04 | lcuk | a user doesnt know wtf a repo is |
| 20:44.10 | qwerty12_N800 | not really sure :/ |
| 20:44.20 | kpel | an interesting point, lcuk |
| 20:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | and shouldn't have to |
| 20:44.30 | kpel | i've seen this even with eee users |
| 20:44.33 | lcuk | they either stick with default and never change, or they do the windows things and go onto the website and click install |
| 20:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | They should just be able to enable Extras and call it a day. |
| 20:44.38 | KotCzarny | good plan is to have a person to manage community repo available 24/7 |
| 20:44.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:44.48 | qwerty12_N800 | evaryont, run ps -la | grep metalayer and post the output here |
| 20:44.50 | KotCzarny | then you don't need additional repos |
| 20:44.54 | kpel | they get frustrated when they read at forum xyz that they must install packages a,b,c in order to do something |
| 20:45.28 | evaryont | qwerty12_N800: can't, gotta run. I'll check. With Canola, though, you do a manual scan (bleh) |
| 20:45.45 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ |
| 20:47.15 | kpel | just upgraded om-weather using apt-get and it works fine now. good work. |
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| 20:59.45 | lcuk | if i am not changing anything else on my 1gb memory card i pushed into my 810 should this: mke2fs /dev/mmcblk1p1 format the device as ext2? i checked i have the correct mmc block by using df |
| 21:01.09 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I think card has to be partitioned using sfdisk |
| 21:01.23 | qwerty12_N800 | set one partition to be ext2 |
| 21:01.28 | lcuk | its already partitioned and formatted as fat16, i dont want to change the allocation |
| 21:01.38 | qwerty12_N800 | then you can format it. |
| 21:01.45 | qwerty12_N800 | not sure then |
| 21:03.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: huh? |
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| 21:03.53 | lcuk | i dont want my memory card to be fat, i want to execute directly from it without copying over |
| 21:03.57 | KotCzarny | yeah, mount doesn't care about partition table's type |
| 21:04.09 | lcuk | so simplest is to reformat as diff file system |
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| 21:05.07 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:05.12 | KotCzarny | don't forget to umount first |
| 21:05.15 | KotCzarny | also |
| 21:05.26 | KotCzarny | if you don't leave little vfat partition |
| 21:05.26 | lcuk | i cant even do that, it said it was in use |
| 21:05.37 | KotCzarny | it will b*tch every time about 'corrupted card' |
| 21:05.47 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:05.51 | KotCzarny | virt mem? |
| 21:05.58 | KotCzarny | some xterm cd'ed into it? |
| 21:06.01 | lcuk | thats mmc2 |
| 21:06.05 | KotCzarny | fuser -v /media/mmc2 |
| 21:06.28 | KotCzarny | mmc2 is internal disk (2gb) |
| 21:06.49 | lcuk | virtmem i mean - i have it even without extra card inserted |
| 21:07.17 | KotCzarny | ok, so to cut the confusion, mmc2 is 2gb, right? |
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| 21:07.28 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:07.46 | KotCzarny | then it's internal sd (nonremovable on n810) |
| 21:08.06 | KotCzarny | and you want to format external sd (1gb) |
| 21:08.08 | lcuk | heh, i just realised why i couldnt umount |
| 21:08.08 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 21:08.11 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:08.20 | KotCzarny | then it's mmc1 |
| 21:08.22 | lcuk | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1/liqbase-kc# umount /media/mmc1 |
| 21:08.46 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:08.49 | KotCzarny | cd / |
| 21:08.53 | KotCzarny | or just cd |
| 21:09.17 | lcuk | hmmm fuser -v not supported, without a param it shows nothing |
| 21:09.25 | lcuk | im in ~ |
| 21:09.40 | lcuk | even in / now still cant umount and its just rebooted |
| 21:10.35 | qwerty12_N800 | i use lsof rather than fuser on tablet |
| 21:13.10 | lcuk | hmmm i even managed to grep |
| 21:13.14 | lcuk | theres a sh process holding it |
| 21:13.44 | KotCzarny | kill it |
| 21:13.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:13.52 | lcuk | i did :D by pid as well |
| 21:14.01 | lcuk | by jove i think im starting to grasp it all |
| 21:14.20 | qwerty12_N800 | applauds. hate me now. |
| 21:15.08 | lcuk | ahhh qwerty12_N800 i didnt see it was you, i thought it was kot, thanks it helped |
| 21:15.27 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, np :) |
| 21:15.43 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 21:17.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Seeing as more ppl here, I ask again, anyone with ipv6 and diablo? |
| 21:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | Who the heck runs ipv6? |
| 21:18.14 | lcuk | i think the ven diagram of users with diablo and ip6 and in here is a small slice including just yourself :P |
| 21:18.36 | Navi | There was someone yesterday |
| 21:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | OMG |
| 21:18.53 | lcuk | transitional, the chart is evolving |
| 21:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | NAVI NOES SUMBODY |
| 21:19.04 | Navi | I kno rite? |
| 21:19.14 | lcuk | if they both exist in the same time and place it just means freenode hasnt logged him off :P |
| 21:19.37 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, someone, somewhere... |
| 21:19.47 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :p |
| 21:20.59 | qwerty12_N800 | really wants diablo bme to work :/ |
| 21:21.41 | lcuk | wtf is "lost&found" folder and can i safely delete it |
| 21:22.00 | qwerty12_N800 | it's on ext2 partitions by def |
| 21:22.05 | qwerty12_N800 | -ault |
| 21:22.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it's a folder used by e2fsck |
| 21:22.21 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm not sure if it deletes |
| 21:22.36 | KotCzarny | there you will find your files after some br0kage |
| 21:22.41 | lcuk | can i mark it hidden? |
| 21:22.47 | KotCzarny | just ignore it |
| 21:22.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:23.14 | qwerty12_N800 | I hate things like that. CHK00* on win pee me off too. |
| 21:23.41 | KotCzarny | qwerty: at least on ext2/3 they aren't floating in your / |
| 21:23.54 | KotCzarny | but neatly shoved to lost&found |
| 21:23.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:24.10 | lcuk | my missuses computer has real problems - it lost practically everything |
| 21:24.12 | qwerty12_N800 | true. but I find the files useless in the end imho :) |
| 21:24.37 | KotCzarny | qwerty: then you can delete them |
| 21:24.50 | KotCzarny | but sometimes you could be gratefull ;) |
| 21:25.44 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, not me :p |
| 21:29.35 | lcuk | her machine had a serious breakdown about a year ago, and i managed to recover just enough to boot windows and run her sims and play movies, nothing else works, control panel is dead and if you try installing anything it blows chnk |
| 21:29.48 | lcuk | chunks* on the upside, it runs sims better than it ever has |
| 21:30.24 | qwerty12_N800 | smash it up and post the utube |
| 21:30.39 | lcuk | nahhh it works |
| 21:30.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:30.52 | lcuk | and if i did she would smash me up and post on youtube |
| 21:30.58 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | Why not wipe and reinstall? |
| 21:32.27 | lcuk | not worth the hassle tbh |
| 21:32.27 | KotCzarny | darn fans. refuse to start at 5V |
| 21:33.18 | lcuk | hmmmm ext2 is too slow, fat is faster |
| 21:33.22 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, sounds like you wouldn't have much to set-up |
| 21:33.24 | lcuk | whats faster |
| 21:33.26 | qwerty12_N800 | after format |
| 21:33.34 | KotCzarny | lcuk, have you mounted with noatime ? |
| 21:33.40 | lcuk | amount of data is the issue |
| 21:33.44 | lcuk | whats noatime |
| 21:33.48 | lcuk | ie, i dunno |
| 21:33.53 | KotCzarny | few writes less |
| 21:33.59 | KotCzarny | like, 2x less |
| 21:34.14 | KotCzarny | not updating inodes on every 'read' operation |
| 21:34.29 | lcuk | ok umounted, how to remount |
| 21:34.40 | KotCzarny | you don't have to umount |
| 21:34.49 | KotCzarny | mount -o remount,noatime would suffice |
| 21:34.54 | KotCzarny | just add -o noatime |
| 21:34.56 | KotCzarny | when mounting |
| 21:35.12 | jaska | access times in filesystem are one of the more stupid ideas ever |
| 21:35.19 | qwerty12_N800 | edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh to make permernant (spelling and i dont give a ....) |
| 21:35.22 | lcuk | ntfs has it as well |
| 21:35.30 | KotCzarny | jaska: depends on your paranoidness |
| 21:36.34 | lcuk | hmm if i restart will it lose my mount command options? |
| 21:36.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:36.55 | KotCzarny | and it not automounts ext2/3 |
| 21:37.00 | qwerty12_N800 | edit the file i mentioned |
| 21:37.05 | KotCzarny | because nokia's br0kenness |
| 21:37.16 | lcuk | qwer just doing that now |
| 21:37.21 | KotCzarny | it should honour /etc/fstab |
| 21:37.22 | lcuk | i was diving the tree |
| 21:37.26 | KotCzarny | and automount on boot time |
| 21:39.53 | qwerty12_N800 | while testing, I plan onn making inittfs switch fb mode to auto as SOON as it's turned on by loading modules and running fb program. anyone see any problems? :/ |
| 21:40.00 | qwerty12_N800 | s/onn/on |
| 21:41.09 | lcuk | hmmm qwerty12_N800 that looks a bit OTT, i wouldnt know where to start |
| 21:41.44 | qwerty12_N800 | i know how to do it :) but would module loading be allowed at that time? |
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| 21:42.07 | qwerty12_N800 | needs to compile 0xffff and mtd-tools for arm again |
| 21:42.12 | lcuk | i dunno, im still mounting my mmc :P |
| 21:42.35 | lcuk | is a few steps behind qwert |
| 21:43.04 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm nothing special, when I got my n800, i knew nothing :) |
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| 21:46.31 | qwerty12_N800 | so, in diablo whos had a kernel panic? i'm dying to see what sp-oops-extract is about |
| 21:46.32 | lcuk | of course, but you have dived straight into replacing the entire system. im being more refrained |
| 21:48.05 | lcuk | rewrites liq_make_deploy to work directly :) |
| 21:48.16 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, I can't help it :). good choice, it shows on the amount of times we've refelashed :) |
| 21:48.19 | qwerty12_N800 | cool |
| 21:48.33 | KotCzarny | disables dri on laptop in hopes of lowering heat dissipation |
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| 21:49.45 | lcuk | if i run a script which executes a binary, will me sending ctrl c stop the binary or will it stop the app |
| 21:50.00 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 21:50.16 | KotCzarny | if binary detaches from term then not |
| 21:51.50 | lcuk | no it doesnt |
| 21:52.02 | KotCzarny | then binary gets ctrl-c |
| 21:52.03 | lcuk | the binary is getting the ctrl c, but the script is also stopping |
| 21:52.59 | lcuk | hmmm, so why doesnt the script continue |
| 21:53.55 | KotCzarny | maybe script gets ctrl-c and sends it to binary too |
| 21:54.12 | KotCzarny | or all progs on that specific terminal get ctrl-c |
| 21:55.25 | lcuk | not that it matters, ill have to do an infinte loop test |
| 21:55.29 | lcuk | +i |
| 21:55.49 | lcuk | and i dunno how im gonna handle that if i build an ide |
| 21:56.26 | lcuk | is it possible to configure global hotkeys? |
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| 21:57.09 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:58.11 | lcuk | cos ill need some immutable way to stop code |
| 21:58.20 | KotCzarny | q ? |
| 21:58.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:58.38 | KotCzarny | kill -signal ? |
| 21:58.50 | KotCzarny | kill -USR1 `pidof app` |
| 21:58.56 | lcuk | right now, if i run bad code while(x>0){x=1;} i can currently always ctrl c and stop my app |
| 21:58.59 | lcuk | its how i test |
| 21:59.00 | KotCzarny | and catch USR1 signal |
| 21:59.20 | lcuk | i dont have to type anything, just when ive had enough i ctrl c and the next script line is killall liqbase |
| 21:59.59 | lcuk | when the editor itself is on device and it runs code itself without ever having a networked ssh session how can i type commands |
| 22:00.46 | lcuk | so, i need a special way to kill my app, kinda ctrl+break type thinking |
| 22:01.13 | KotCzarny | as i said, watch USR1 signal |
| 22:01.35 | KotCzarny | then you can send if from personal menu etc. |
| 22:01.47 | lcuk | so i have to somehow minimise the broken app, open a console and type commands ;) |
| 22:02.16 | lcuk | i just want something simple so i can say "meh ive had enough |
| 22:02.29 | lcuk | [CTRL]+[ESC] or something |
| 22:02.34 | lcuk | ill sort something |
| 22:03.27 | KotCzarny | i think it is possible to get events from x even when not in focus |
| 22:03.38 | KotCzarny | you just have to tell x that you want it |
| 22:03.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:04.05 | lcuk | i might even be sneaky and register and listen for a few hardware events - slide keyboard or something |
| 22:05.03 | lcuk | if i had accel onboard i could reset the app like an echasketch |
| 22:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | pfft |
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| 22:50.47 | jdiazZzZz | What about holding ESC? |
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| 22:59.26 | jdiaz | lcuk, what about an ESC long press? |
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| 23:03.59 | lcuk | jdiaz, doesnt that already have a mapping? |
| 23:04.33 | lcuk | ahh i see what you mean |
| 23:05.02 | lcuk | its not stopping my app yet, but i notice it stops others, ill check what signals im listening for and if thats the case ill use it |
| 23:05.15 | lcuk | thanks |
| 23:05.27 | Knirch | Lost.S04E11.HDTV.XviD-2HD.avi |
| 23:05.30 | Knirch | shoow |
| 23:05.34 | Knirch | whoops, sorry :) |
| 23:05.56 | lcuk | Knirch, is that latest, as in released today? |
| 23:06.18 | Knirch | no idea when it got released, this week atleast |
| 23:06.35 | lcuk | yer i just noticed |
| 23:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | Lost is retarded |
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| 23:06.51 | Knirch | I stopped watching it mid season 2 |
| 23:07.42 | lcuk | i dont watch it at all |
| 23:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Don't |
| 23:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's a waste of time |
| 23:09.00 | lcuk | i dont intend to, my mum goes on and on about it |
| 23:09.40 | KotCzarny | and what isn't waste of time? |
| 23:09.47 | lcuk | doctor who ;) |
| 23:09.52 | Knirch | chatting about wasted time |
| 23:10.15 | KotCzarny | ie. what's a gain of time |
| 23:10.34 | KotCzarny | or at least getting it in stasis |
| 23:12.16 | jdiaz | lcuk, yes, I noticed that some apps are longpress-ESC-resistant, so to say. I don't know why |
| 23:12.53 | KotCzarny | it's not resistance |
| 23:12.54 | jdiaz | for these apps, which never fails is to press the Home button, and, when the running apps list is displayed, click in the X |
| 23:12.58 | KotCzarny | it's just waiting for another key |
| 23:13.06 | KotCzarny | because usually esc codes are 2char |
| 23:13.10 | KotCzarny | or more |
| 23:13.26 | lcuk | jdiaz, not everything is hildonized |
| 23:13.37 | jdiaz | I don't think that is the explanation KotCzarny |
| 23:13.48 | KotCzarny | jdiaz: but it is |
| 23:13.52 | jdiaz | :) |
| 23:14.13 | lcuk | my app currently does not display an x - it should and will soon |
| 23:14.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk, don't |
| 23:14.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:14.50 | jdiaz | lcuk, I'm referring to the x in the apps list |
| 23:15.00 | jdiaz | not the x in the top right corner of the window |
| 23:15.00 | KotCzarny | but react on pressing an x :) |
| 23:15.17 | lcuk | i am as well j |
| 23:15.32 | lcuk | my app does not list itself when i press home |
| 23:15.39 | jdiaz | I never found yet an application without an x in that list... |
| 23:15.42 | KotCzarny | ahm |
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| 23:15.43 | jdiaz | oh |
| 23:15.48 | kpel | goodnight |
| 23:15.48 | KotCzarny | you are talking about hildonizing |
| 23:15.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:15.57 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:16.15 | KotCzarny | simple enough if you use sdl/gtk |
| 23:16.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:16.32 | lcuk | i have to respond correctly to ui events - its even simple enough with x i think |
| 23:16.56 | jdiaz | So you can't close your app but sending it a signal? |
| 23:17.11 | lcuk | or escape out of menus ;) |
| 23:18.07 | jdiaz | luckily SIGKILL never fails, no matter how ill-behaved the app is |
| 23:18.16 | jdiaz | ;) |
| 23:18.25 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 23:18.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:18.34 | KotCzarny | zombified apps |
| 23:18.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:18.44 | Knirch | nothing a baseball bat or shotgun won't fix |
| 23:18.51 | jdiaz | but that is a completely different issue |
| 23:18.56 | jdiaz | a zombie app is indeed a dead app |
| 23:19.13 | jdiaz | it does not uses system resources, besides the entry in the process table |
| 23:19.18 | jdiaz | a few bytes |
| 23:19.29 | KotCzarny | still irritating to have |
| 23:19.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:19.54 | jdiaz | since the app is actually not running, it does not receive the SIGKILL signal, so my previous sentence is correct in this sense |
| 23:20.16 | KotCzarny | <jdiaz> luckily SIGKILL never fails, no matter how ill-behaved the app is |
| 23:20.24 | KotCzarny | in that case sigkill fails |
| 23:20.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.58 | jdiaz | it depends on what we were talking about... I talked about the application stop running |
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| 23:21.14 | KotCzarny | doesn't matter |
| 23:21.17 | jdiaz | not about the application stop showing in ps :-) |
| 23:21.20 | KotCzarny | it's not important |
| 23:21.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:21.36 | KotCzarny | waste of time arguing about it |
| 23:21.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:21.55 | jdiaz | not really arguing, only chatting |
| 23:22.04 | jdiaz | kinda sport |
| 23:22.09 | jdiaz | :) |
| 23:22.20 | KotCzarny | there is a meme about it |
| 23:22.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:24.23 | jdiaz | not for arguing, nor for wasting time... only in the interest of completness... When a zombie appears, it is not the app what was ill-behavied, it was its parent :) |
| 23:27.16 | KotCzarny | then the focus is on illbehaved parent, which is app too, isn't it? |
| 23:27.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:27.42 | jdiaz | touchee |
| 23:27.50 | jdiaz | going to bed |
| 23:27.52 | jdiaz | :) |
| 23:28.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:34.31 | l7 | re |
| 23:34.40 | l7 | this channel seems to be busy all the time |
| 23:34.52 | KotCzarny | is it bad or good? |
| 23:35.23 | flo_lap | That's like channels should look like :) |
| 23:38.42 | l7 | mostly good i think |
| 23:38.57 | l7 | there's not much point in hanging out in a silent channel |
| 23:39.06 | l7 | though that's what irc is like too :) |
| 23:42.37 | flo_lap | good night |
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