IRC log for #maemo on 20080510

00:00.00jldiazvo, also x2x
00:00.03KotCzarnykids, stop playing with your marbles
00:00.12vojldiaz, well the other other way around, to control a PC. For example, in a presentation
00:00.24jldiazvo, if you PC is a linux box with x2x installed, you don't require anyting else in your tablet
00:00.28NullM0demyeah that's a let down
00:00.33jldiazexcept a ssh client
00:00.40NullM0demnavi: how long did it take ?
00:00.54vo1 c
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00:00.58voi c
00:01.26jldiazvo, you can also have a vnc server in the PC, and vnc client in the tablet
00:01.46jldiazyou can control your pc from the tablet, and furthermore, see a reduced version of the PC screen in the tablet
00:01.58jldiaz(reduced or magnified, as you prefer)
00:02.07voactually reason i ask is that one of the professors at the school I work at needs some way to do net-classes, and the in-classroom system doesn't have a pen for writing on the screen
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00:02.16voso he figured that using his N800 he could run the whole thing
00:02.24KotCzarnyvnc can do shared sessions
00:02.36KotCzarnywith view-only option too
00:02.38lcukjldiaz, the scaling requires server sized resize support
00:02.45lcuki think
00:03.01jldiazlcuk, correct. But I use x11vnc which allows any scale factor
00:03.14lcukcool
00:03.39jldiazsometimes I use 0.7 as scale factor, if I want to see all the PC screen in the tablet
00:03.56jldiazother times I use 1.5 scale factor, if I want to read comfortably
00:04.12lcuki view a reduced vnc from work to see home desktop
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00:05.41KotCzarnysupersize your vnc!
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00:15.24lcukno, then it has scrollbars, work and home desktops are same res
00:15.36KotCzarnyjust kidding
00:15.38KotCzarny:)
00:15.58lcuki know, i am v tired
00:16.08lcukbut making remarkable progress in my head
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00:29.31jldiazI'm unable of running applications in the tablet with the DISPLAY set to a different host
00:29.57jldiazssh -X tablet doesnt work either
00:29.58KotCzarnycheck firewall and xhost on target machine?
00:30.07jldiazhmm... firewall...
00:30.24jldiazit is iptables, I never remember the syntax
00:31.14jldiazanyway, apparently I do not have reject rules
00:31.29jldiazChain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
00:31.30jldiaztarget     prot opt source               destination
00:31.30jldiazACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            state RELATED
00:31.55jldiazmoreover, using a ssh tunnel, firewalls should not be an issue
00:32.21jldiazhowever, when I do from the PC "ssh -X tablet", and then echo $DISPLAY in the tablet, I get :0.0
00:32.34jldiazthis is not what it is supposed to expect
00:37.39jldiazgotta sleep
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00:47.30ZabbensXGood evening
00:48.00ZabbensXHi have a question maybe one of you can answer it?
00:48.17ZabbensXHow did the guy get it to see the boot log on his n800? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlG7jnXUCTI
00:48.51ZabbensXIt'll be great if someone could give me a hint how this is done
00:51.17ZabbensXno one an idea
00:54.27|thunderprolly in /var/log somewhere
00:54.31|thundermessages perhaps
00:54.37|thunderor maybe you mean 'dmesg'
00:55.00|thundergoto console, and run dmesg > dmesg.txt
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02:51.22ZabbensXthunder take a look on the link i added then you know what i mean ;)
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02:52.48NMaji1Sorry to bother, but I can't find where the power settings for the Nokia 770 are stored. Can someone help?
02:53.29GeneralAntilles"power settings"?
02:54.17NMajikNot sure the actual term. There is a drop down with two sets of options under Control Panel > Display
02:58.57NMajikI would like to edit the raw values because I can't select a value high enough from the values given
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03:03.24GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/
03:05.14NMajikThat's embarrassingly simple, thanks
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03:11.08Livingroomyo guys
03:11.16Livingroomhow can i alter my contacts menu
03:11.22Livingroomthe one with the stupid osso-mail and all that
03:11.24Livingroomthats on the left
03:11.34Mouseycan't
03:11.36Mouseybut
03:11.37Livingroomhas like view-contacts, compose email, new internet call, etc et all ad nauseum
03:11.47Livingroomyou cant? how silly
03:11.55Livingroomit is full of fail and things that i dont need to do
03:12.32Mouseyinstall personal-menu, then go into control panel, under "panels" and experience win
03:14.52Livingroomok
03:14.58Livingroomi'm attempting WIN right now
03:15.02Mousey^_^
03:15.10Livingroomand do you know what i'm doing?
03:15.23Mouseyis it sfw?
03:15.39Livingroomi've got my n800 linked to a pocket battery-powered AP, the PAN of which is using my iphone as a dual-port proxy with named resoloution :)
03:16.05Livingroombehold the power of *nix
03:16.07doc|homeLivingroom: got a link to that AP?
03:16.23Livingroomit's a fAilP right now
03:16.29doc|homehaha
03:16.31Livingroomit must be connected to a wired connection or the firmware freezes
03:16.37Livingroomeven if the wired connection isnt active
03:16.45doc|homeI meant the manufacturer or a store that sells it :)
03:16.47Livingroomit just needs a loopback response on the 802.11 port
03:16.57doc|homeI know someone who was looking for something like that
03:17.00Livingroomits even 802.11g :)
03:17.23Livingroomhttp://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1689
03:17.30doc|homethanks
03:17.38Livingroomthe AP itself isnt entirely battery powered
03:17.42Livingroomit's USB powered/wall powered
03:17.48Livingroomso i bought a bigass USB battery at radio shack
03:17.48doc|homenice
03:17.55Livingroomand now it's battery powered
03:17.59Livingroomi have a video on youtoob about it
03:18.05doc|homeit can take power from a laptop though, right?
03:18.18Livingroomhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc
03:18.21Livingroomyep
03:18.24doc|homecool
03:18.26Livingroomit works wonders connected to a laptop
03:18.30Livingroomalso: it has a switch
03:18.37Livingroomso you can go from AP mode, to wireless-nic mode
03:18.45Livingroomso if you have a wired-only device, BAM you can make it wireless.
03:18.50Livingroomit's full of win
03:19.01Livingroomnow i just need a RJ11 loopback connector :(
03:19.08Livingroomtell me what you think of my video, btw
03:19.26doc|homecool
03:19.29doc|homewil ldo
03:20.22doc|homestabs flash
03:20.26doc|homewill have to watch it in a bit
03:20.27Livingroomhehe
03:20.29Livingroomsorry :(
03:20.32doc|homemy soundcard setup's not right
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03:22.33Livingroomtrust me, pocket AP is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo very much better than FailHOC
03:32.25Livingroomanyone still around?
03:34.22shaprNot me!
03:35.33Livingroomit's ok
03:35.35Livingroomyou're too awesome
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03:35.50Livingroomyour presence would destabalize the channel
03:36.15Livingroomi need a camera
03:36.23Livingroomto show my laptop, tablet, psp, etc all tethered to my iphone
03:42.49Livingroomwhat is this presence thing thats always on my freakin' toolbar
03:43.33doc|homeLivingroom: nice vid, what's the advantage though of an AP, extra signal strength?
03:43.43doc|homealso, you have way too many gadgets :)
03:44.09elbAd-Hoc has visibility issue
03:44.10elbs
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03:44.25elb"I can see Bob and Carol, but only Bob can see me"
03:44.35Livingroomhaha
03:44.36doc|homeah, ok
03:44.39Livingroomyou havent seen half my gadgets lolz
03:44.49doc|homesurely everyone can use the same AP you are though
03:44.51Livingroomalso the AP means each device i have can has its own profile just for "iPhone" network
03:44.59doc|homeor is this in the scenario when there is no AP?
03:45.06Livingroomplus, adhoc typically only works 1v1
03:45.10LivingroomAP means ~254 clients
03:45.13elbAd-Hoc means no AP
03:45.31doc|homeyeah, but why even use ad-hoc?
03:45.37elbthere's no reason for Ad-Hoc to be only two hosts, I've participated in numerous multi-host Ad-Hoc environments
03:45.41doc|homewhy not just use AP, or is it where there's no ap?
03:45.54Livingroomad-hoc has visibility issues like you said, though
03:45.59Livingroomand more often than not, it simply doesnt work
03:46.08elbyeah, there's no doubt that it's a PITA
03:46.49Livingroomgoing to restart the AP with new settings. pray...
03:47.14KotCzarny253
03:47.21Livingroomis it 253?
03:47.32KotCzarny.0, .255 and ap ip
03:47.41Livingroomah, yes indeed
03:47.59KotCzarnynot that it matters much
03:48.00KotCzarny:)
03:48.17Livingroomhaha 253 clients would crash this poor ap LOLZ
03:48.33Livingroomthe funny part is that i have to run tinyproxy, srelay AND named on the iphone
03:48.47KotCzarny253 clients could clog the network with simple arp requests
03:48.50KotCzarny:)
03:48.50Livingroomtinyproxy only proxies browsers reliable
03:49.00Livingroomsrelay doesnt do browsers, but can handle everything else
03:49.42doc|homeno, I'm not asking why not use ad-hoc, I'm asking, why use *that* ap instead of whatever other one you're using in the building?
03:49.45doc|home:)
03:49.58Livingroomalso, this AP doesnt like to work if it's not connected to a wire at startup. god D@#& it
03:50.08Livingroomthe reason to use it is if another AP isnt present
03:50.22Livingroomplus, many APs even if they are present are corporate networks with radius, wpa, wep, or even mac-filtering
03:50.36Livingroomfinding an available AP, and configuring a profile on each device, when you need to, is a bit tough
03:50.50Livingroomcarrying that AP with you in a bag and activating it when needed is best
03:51.27Livingroompisses me off that it locks up with no initial ethernet connection
03:51.55doc|homeah, ok
03:51.58doc|homethat makes sense
03:52.17doc|homeLivingroom: could you install another OS on it, like openwrt or something?
03:52.25Livingroomdoubtful
03:52.27doc|homenow *there's* a challenge :)
03:52.46Livingroomlolololololz.
03:52.50Livingroomthink i'll pass
03:52.54Livingroomdamn this sumbitch
03:53.01Livingroomit works fine if it's got power to the nic! wtf!?
03:53.17Livingroomi'm seriously developing a temper issue with this device
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03:54.23Livingroomi need food. help me decide, guys: pizza, or a burger, or a taco.
03:57.06Livingroomtacos it is, then
03:57.11Livingroomno! taco pizza, with hamburger
03:57.13Livingroomyesssssss
03:57.16Livingroomthe precioussss
03:58.20pupnikthe prawcesss
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04:01.26ds3Hmmmm didn't someone here say they were at Javaone?
04:08.19Livingroomprawcess?
04:10.10KotCzarnyhttp://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=1338
04:10.11KotCzarnylol
04:11.59KotCzarnyThese coils produce well over 110 dB of sound
04:12.02KotCzarnynow, that's loud
04:12.03KotCzarny:>
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04:57.07lopznight
04:58.04ProteousOMGGN2U
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05:21.59KotCzarnyhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4181629.stm
05:22.00KotCzarnylol
05:22.05Italodancelol
05:22.25Italodancehow can i update my Internet Tablet Video Converter Updated … Mac Support!
05:22.29Italodance????
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05:54.08robinkIs chinook stable, or is it like debian (testing|sid)?
05:54.28KotCzarnythere's no differentiation
05:54.42KotCzarnyeither you treat all of them as stable or unstable/testing
05:55.41inzsardine would be unstable, but it seems to no be in use anymore
05:56.09robinkAh
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05:58.08qwerty12loves it that ./configure & make compile fine. Using dh_make and dpkg-build
05:58.17qwerty12package messes things up.
05:58.48qwerty12ATM, to get round that, I'm just making the clean section do nothing :/
06:02.28robinkIf I want to do cross-compiling outside of scratchbox, the CTARGET should be armeb-generic-linux-gnu and not arm-generic-linux-gnu, correct?
06:03.42KotCzarnyarmel
06:03.47KotCzarnywhatever that means
06:03.57KotCzarnyand another word gnu eabi
06:04.06KotCzarnyif that's helpful for you
06:04.11robinkYes
06:04.15robinkel means little endian
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06:17.42ZabbensXHi everybody,...
06:18.38qwerty12Hi, oh yeah, I need to reply to your pm. I was in the process but firefox crashed (watching my own video lol)
06:19.05ZabbensX...is here someone who knows how to start a usb keyboard while booting
06:19.36ZabbensXmight it work when i write a rc5 script wich starts usb host mode after usb init?
06:20.37ZabbensXno prob ;)
06:21.09ZabbensXi did it that console 1 comes up and shows the bootlog but then console 2 is starting and the bootlog disapears
06:21.41qwerty12It stops when the x-server is started
06:22.27ZabbensXwhen i would start it with chvt 1 i have to find the point where the Code is requestet or? otherwise i will be jailed in console1
06:23.35qwerty12I don't get you :/. I never used chvt to show the bootlog.
06:24.33ZabbensXso my idea was to start the keyboard (exactly the usb host mode) so i might switch the console
06:25.46ZabbensXyes in the First time you start it when i am right by the bootmenu.config / bootmenu.sh you are initializing the modules for the console output and then set the fb_update mode... and on x-server start the console disappears.
06:26.36qwerty12Yes it disables when X-server starts. Correct me if I am wrong but desktop computers do that too?
06:27.22ZabbensXno you are right ;)
06:28.44qwerty12The only thing I did, after setting it up in bootmenu, is that I made fb_update_mode run again after the fb-progress was started. Otherwise the screen would never update properly.
06:29.51ZabbensXafk smoking
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06:37.15ZabbensXi start it with the runlevel (readed the post in the forum after hours testing)
06:37.50ZabbensXbut then i testet it the way with the bootmenu but my modules (font.ko ...) won't start
06:38.27ZabbensXi entert the lines in the bootmenu.conf and .sh but they won't start
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06:45.41keesjZabbensX: there are more way's to change the console. there is also a cmd line tool
06:46.07keesjchvt it is called
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06:49.28ZabbensXyes i know but it would be nicer if it would be startet immideatly after the bootloader
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07:06.59robinkWhat package contains less?
07:07.10KotCzarnyprobably less package
07:07.22robinknope
07:07.27robinkwait, holdon
07:07.31KotCzarnyhehe
07:09.43robinkOnly had maemo-extras
07:11.54robinkIs there a package that has a full vi (like vim)?
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07:12.06KotCzarnyprobably
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07:13.12qwerty12yes, I think it's also in catalog
07:13.27qwerty12mgedmin here did one
07:15.35robinkHow about a package with rfcomm?
07:15.44robinkI'm just looking in http://repository.maemo.org
07:16.11GAN800robink gronmeyer.com/it
07:16.52qwerty12s/gronmeyer/gronmayer
07:17.59GAN800also: google.com '<whatyouwant> maemo'
07:19.34ProteousI tried googling "Icecream maemo" but it didn't work
07:19.49Proteouscries
07:19.53KotCzarnytry without ""
07:20.11Proteousthe quotes were just for easy of reading on irc
07:20.19Proteousthey were not part of my search string
07:20.25GAN800throws warm ice cream at Proteous
07:20.30czrmaybe they should be
07:20.30Proteousducks
07:20.55KotCzarny'quacks'
07:21.01Proteousemotes
07:21.04czrloads his rifles
07:21.12KotCzarnymes
07:21.19Proteous/me
07:21.47\meem/
07:21.49Proteoushmm
07:22.00KotCzarny*innocent*
07:23.41ProteousI like it when previously played MMOs give out free playtime to past subscribers
07:24.05KotCzarnyhookup is always free
07:24.13Proteousbut I don't like how they don't let you download a recent version of the game and make you install from your CDs and then basicly download the game again to update it
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07:37.33qwerty12Ok, I've got my ROTT cd inserted, bearing in mind I haven't used it before, which files are the right ones to copy, the ones from rottinst or from rottplay?
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09:39.03robinkWhere can I find minicom or cu for maemo?
09:39.58robinkn/m, found it at garage.maemo.org
09:50.14robinkargh, did rm -rf /opt/scratchbox while stuff was still mounted
09:50.20robinkIt looks like my rootfs survived, oddly
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10:03.25kulvewhat about your /dev?
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10:15.09robinkkulve: It gets regenerated by udev.  It got clobbered, but it has recovered.
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10:16.58philn_hi
10:18.05philn_i'm looking for python-twisted packages for chinook.. the only twisted pkgs i've found so far are for bora, outdated, on nokia's nrcc repo.. any hint?
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11:18.46vililikkuwhat do you think if someone ports FoF to maemo? With keyboard it would be very grett
11:18.50vililikkugreat
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13:53.04VEL[ru]hi all... does anybody know, is it possible to connect GPRS usb modem to nokia n810?
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14:05.30RST38hpossible. needs host mode.
14:06.11RST38hMilitary cremation procedures have been changed after a soldier complained that his buddy's remains were taken to what appeared to be a "pet crematorium," the Pentagon announced Friday.
14:06.20RST38hHehe.
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14:18.24VEL[ru]RST38h, so, i just need to patch the kernel, right?
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14:20.54RST38hVEL: Afaik, you don't need a thing, just load network driver
14:20.57RST38hor serial driver
14:21.06RST38hBut I will check in a moment
14:22.31VEL[ru]RST38h, Thank you muchly..
14:23.03RST38hhttp://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/
14:23.09RST38hIt is for OS2006, sorry
14:23.43RST38hOS2008: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html
14:23.55VEL[ru]i'm just deep in thought, to buy that device or not..
14:24.45VEL[ru]if it is real to use gpd modem (not bt) i buy it %)
14:24.53VEL[ru]*gprs
14:27.07RST38hMake sure you can return the device.
14:27.24RST38hOr just buy yourself a cheap BT-equipped phone.
14:28.10RST38hThis will save you a lot of trouble, like constantly open metal bracket, dangling dongle, etc.
14:28.15VEL[ru]thanks for help :)
14:44.04aquatixusing your phone's grps connection is a breeze with a nokia tablet
14:44.09aquatixuses it all the time
14:44.17aquatixand setting up was shockingly easy :)
14:44.20KotCzarnygprs? a breeze?
14:44.41RST38hRelative breeze
14:44.54KotCzarnyi don't mind '90 modem like speeds
14:45.11KotCzarnybut pings >800ms are killing it's usefulness
14:45.16aquatixKotCzarny: true
14:45.16RST38hSSH works.
14:45.26KotCzarnyheh
14:45.31aquatixbut i'm not paying large amounts of money for umts
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14:45.44RST38hWho cares abut the rest? I am not watchign youtube over gprs OR somehow else
14:45.53aquatixthis is a flat-fee subscription for 7 euro/month
14:45.59aquatixRST38h: indeed
14:46.04aquatixand some browsing works fine
14:46.07KotCzarnyif you use ssh then you should care about pings
14:46.08KotCzarny:)
14:46.12aquatixnews sites and such
14:46.18aquatixyeah, ssh is odd over gprs
14:46.21aquatixvery laggy
14:46.30aquatixespecially when using screen & irssi
14:46.44aquatixit suffices for me
14:47.01aquatixand i'm not going to pay more money per month for umts than i pay for my 12MBit adsl at home
14:47.09KotCzarnygood for irc, but for remote work it's irritating
14:47.25aquatixis aware
14:48.22RST38hKot: I have not noticed any problems with pings
14:48.31elbit depends on a lot of factors
14:48.48RST38hFor remote work, I have 100btx cable routed to my home
14:48.56KotCzarnyhehe
14:49.04KotCzarnyas i said, for irc it's enough
14:49.11elbI was using 3G 1xRTT a lot about six or seven years ago, and depending on location and time of day the latency variance could be horrible
14:49.27RST38h1xRTT is not 3G
14:49.36RST38hEVDO is 3G
14:49.48elbmy phone also would shut the connection down to some sort of idle state after just a few seconds of inactivity, which took a few hundred ms to come out of
14:50.02RST38hAnd, as both of these are CDMA technologies, we can't use them here
14:50.09elbRST38h: 1xRTT is 3G for CDMA
14:50.13RST38hNo UMTS either, at least for the next few months
14:50.22elbaccording to CDMA2000
14:50.40aquatixwouldn't mind having hsdpa on his phone
14:50.41elbit's the bottom "3G" speed, everything below that is 2.5G or 2G
14:50.48RST38helb: The first in a family of cdma2000 1x digital wireless standards designed to extend and replace the IS-95 CDMA standard. 1xRTT is sometimes referred to as a "2.5G" standard.
14:50.57RST38h3G is EVDO
14:51.01elbyes, sometimes it is ... but technically it's 3G
14:51.15elbI see you copy and pasted wikipedia, the source for all things factually inaccurate ;-)
14:51.19RST38h"Technically" you can call EDGE "3G". It all depends on how you count.
14:51.33RST38helb: I have quoted http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=150
14:51.41elbaccording to the "standard", 1xRTT is 3G
14:51.51aquatixedge is a minor update to gprs, so absolutely no 3G :)
14:51.54elbI quote standard in a humorous fashion, because it really is the damn standard
14:52.10elbbickering from someone who just happens to want something faster won't change it ;-)
14:52.21elband the real point is ... back then, there was nothing faster
14:52.28elbat least not in any locale I was in
14:52.35RST38htrue
14:52.53RST38h1xRTT has been in use for years now
14:53.01aquatixdemands a city-wide wifi network
14:53.04elbyes, it was the first 3G rolled out in the US
14:53.05aquatix;)
14:53.18aquatixno, country-wide, with easy roaming
14:53.22RST38haquatix: We pretty much have one here, but you have to pay $20/mo to GoldenTelecom
14:53.24aquatixdreams on
14:53.37aquatix$20 isn't that much if it's decent
14:53.50elbanyway, I improved my wireless ssh'ing experience greatly with a 2s ping
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14:54.02KotCzarny2s?
14:54.03elbbecause that kept the handset from trying to free the channel all the time
14:54.04KotCzarny:)
14:54.07aquatixelb: 2s??
14:54.17KotCzarnyyou mean keep alive?
14:54.18aquatixoh
14:54.18elbyes, as in, ever 2 seconds, I sent a ping
14:54.18KotCzarny:)
14:54.22aquatixkk
14:54.32elbno, not keepalive, ping
14:54.36lcukmorning kot :) or is it a late shift for you
14:54.40KotCzarnysort of keep alive for phone :)
14:54.44KotCzarnyhi lcuk
14:54.49aquatixloaths the 700msec roundtrip time from his gprs
14:55.00elbthe connection didn't *die* after a few seconds, it would just require a spinup for 3-500ms
14:55.00KotCzarnyactually i don't know how to call my day position
14:55.04KotCzarnyso let it be morning
14:55.12lcukkot, i have had a practical idea and solution to the cpu issue.
14:55.33KotCzarnyelb: but isn't gprs pay-per-byte ?
14:55.34aquatixis going to spend the rest of the day not behind his pc
14:55.37aquatixhave fun all :)
14:55.47aquatixKotCzarny: i have flat-fee gprs here
14:55.51lcukcya aquatix
14:56.11KotCzarnylcuk: :)
14:56.20elbKotCzarny: I've never used GPRS
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14:56.36elbI was using 1xRTT, and I had unlimited usage for $10/mo :-)
14:56.46KotCzarnyelb: ok :)
14:57.05lcukkot, if i wrote a tiny little dbus application to listen for Chargin/Not Charging signals.  When the device is charging i switch to Performance, when its on battery i revert to ondemand.  not part of a specific application and will boost everything
14:57.28KotCzarnyhum
14:57.37KotCzarnyas long it works..
14:57.38KotCzarny:)
14:57.41elbheh I use that on my laptop
14:57.45lcuki sit here tethered most of the time so thats a bonus and it would mean i dont forget to revert
14:57.57elbI also had my wife's laptop set up to shut down its second core on battery, but that started hanging things, I dunno why
14:57.57lcukyer elb, thats what pinged last night
14:58.03RST38helb: But you are wasting traffic
14:58.04qwerty12lcuk, acmonitor's code could be helpful for that
14:58.33lcukexactly, i know theres lots around, ive been thinking about specific application, but a simple monitor app would be better
14:58.48elbRST38h: not exactly
14:58.59elbwithout that traffic, performance was different ... so thte traffic served a purpose
14:59.00lcukthat way i can take out all the -turbo code and not worry about it anymore
14:59.18elbthe handset was just stupid, I think, I've seen other handsets which didn't have such asinine behavior
14:59.56RST38h3600 / 2 * 56 bytes (?) = 100kB
14:59.59KotCzarnylcuk: does it get hot when idling on performance?
15:00.43lcuknot that ive noticed, and remember mines surrounded in a wooden enclosure.  theonly time it gets warm is when charging battery but thats the same no matter what cpumode its in
15:00.58KotCzarnyok
15:00.59KotCzarny:)
15:01.33lcukremember, the device is geared towards running movies and web etc, lots of things already push it over to performance levels anyway
15:01.46lcukif it was every going to overheat it would have done it for other people by now
15:01.53qwerty12movies? bleh.
15:02.09lcukbleh maybe, but people use their devices for many different things
15:02.19KotCzarnysomeone recently got bat 770 when playing some emu
15:02.20KotCzarny:)
15:02.25KotCzarny*bad
15:02.26lcuki barely ever use any kind of media player because i play "coding_in_c"  its a great game
15:02.34elbRST38h: yes, I used about 448bps
15:02.35elbwith a little b
15:02.38elb:-)
15:02.42qwerty12My N800 gets very hot now. Not bleh that people use their to watch movies, its just Epson LCD chip sucks.
15:02.55qwerty12I keep typing LSD by accident :/
15:02.58lcukqwerty, what do you mean sucks?
15:03.31elbif I had to guess, the constant shutting down and reconnecting of the link was more traffic
15:03.46qwerty12lcuk, Without conversion, watching a movie is like watching a slideshow.
15:03.49elbwhen using ssh, it was generally reconnecting immediately after disconnecting
15:04.04lcukthats not the lcd
15:04.07elbI only ran the pings when I was doing interactive work, for web browsing and stuff the link disabling wasn't a problem
15:04.30zapAnybody knows which applications can use the Nokia DSP? The Nokia media player doesn't use it, as far as I see
15:04.34lcukthats you trying to decode a movie with such a high bitrate that you simple cannot decode a frame in time
15:05.06KotCzarnyzap: gstreamer
15:05.08lcukhave you ever tried to play a movie directly on iphone or ipod?
15:05.20zapwhich player uses gstreamer?
15:05.21KotCzarnyzap: and mplayer if you enable it in source code
15:05.22qwerty12I dunno, my PPC would decode the same movies fine. It's the LCD chip not writing to the screen fast enough from what I read all over.
15:05.30lcukor is that handled because itunes transcodes it for you
15:05.42KotCzarnyzap: also builtin player should use dsp tasks too
15:05.49zapit doesn't
15:05.59lcukqwerty, the screen CAN update 800*480 YUV frames at 25fps.
15:06.01zap/sys/bus/platform/devices/dsp/state told me
15:06.27lcukif you can get enough data onto the bitplane it will refresh properly.
15:06.29RST38hlcuk: but there is no way you can decode this fast on the tablet
15:06.35qwerty12lcuk, if it can, I have yet to see it when I watch a movie.
15:06.41KotCzarnyrst: not true :)
15:06.45lcukif you use a lower resolution (like 640*480) then it can do it at 33fps
15:06.55RST38hKot: definitely true for 800x480 DivX
15:07.02RST38hthat format is a pig
15:07.08lcukRST38h, decoding by CPU alone is impractical and we run out of sheer horsepower
15:07.17zapKotCzarny: also mplayer that I have installed from repositories doesn't as well
15:07.23KotCzarnywell, i've been watching 720x448 @ 23fps with sound via mp3task :)
15:07.28RST38hlcuk: I have some doubt about decoding on the dsp, even...
15:07.53lcukwe need additional help from the custom chipset built in which is not yet used - the IVA can help scaling, the pvr can help pushing blocks, and the DSP can help with the audio
15:08.03RST38hqwerty: any progress on Conky? =)
15:08.09zapKotCzarny: Cool, mplayer coughs for me even at 640x480
15:08.14qwerty12RST38h, I plan to try today :)
15:08.31KotCzarnyzap: because by default it uses mad for decoding and esd for audio out
15:08.48zapKotCzarny: why DSP is not the default then?
15:08.57KotCzarnyzap: sync issues when seeking
15:09.03lcukusing dsp will lower the CPU clock, its a tradeoff
15:09.15KotCzarnylcuk: not with custom kernel
15:09.16KotCzarny:)
15:09.40zapthats gstreamer fault?
15:09.51KotCzarnyzap: probably
15:09.52KotCzarnyafair
15:10.46qwerty12Ok, are there any nokia employees that hate Nokia? if so, send me the location of osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked :p
15:12.28zaphmm, no sound with -ao gst :)
15:12.43KotCzarnyzap: as i have said you have to enable it in source
15:12.57KotCzarnyor you can try my compiled version
15:13.01zapwell, does it have to show in -ao help if it's disabled?
15:13.08zapwhere I can take it?
15:13.22zapbtw without audio my video started to play smoothly
15:13.24KotCzarnymrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/
15:13.26KotCzarnyi think
15:13.31zapthank you
15:13.53KotCzarnybut without audio you don't notice what fps it is
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15:14.41KotCzarnybtw. you have to use -ao gst -ac mp3dec or something
15:14.46pH5KotCzarny: do you have a diff of your changes against mplayer svn?
15:14.52zaptop shows that mplayer eats up to 90% on the most computationaly intensive scenes
15:15.16KotCzarnyph5: just find os2007 in the sources
15:15.34KotCzarnyph5: it's in 2-3 locations at most
15:15.55KotCzarnyph5: and as i said it's not stable with gst
15:16.29KotCzarnyph5: and you need patched kernel for 400/133 dsp mode :)
15:16.56KotCzarnyotherwise there is no gain from using dsp for audio
15:16.58zap400/133?
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15:17.08qwerty12KotCzarny, you made the patch or it available from another source? :)
15:17.09KotCzarnyzap: cpu/dsp mhz
15:17.19zapwhats by default?
15:17.34KotCzarnyqwerty: it's a simple if() {} to comment out
15:17.51qwerty12Ah, ok thanks. I'll take a look when I redownload kernel again.
15:18.02KotCzarnyzap: 165/something, 330/220 when dynamic dsp task is in use, 400/133 when not
15:18.11Navihttp://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ <- O_o
15:18.31zapKotCzarny: and what that kernel patch does?
15:18.40zaplocks at 400/133 forever?
15:18.42qwerty12Navi, you found it!. I love you :D
15:18.49NaviI didn't find it
15:18.50KotCzarnyzap: replaces 330/220 with 400/133
15:18.56qwerty12Navi, ah ok.
15:19.00zap:))
15:19.04zapbuy-buy batteries
15:19.13NaviThey'll probably release an image soon
15:19.14KotCzarny?
15:19.22pH5zap: not necessarily
15:19.25pH5the voltage is the same
15:19.29Navithey have osso-browser on there
15:19.30KotCzarnyit doesn't lock to highest clock
15:19.33zapbut the current is larger
15:19.35pH5and ARM power management is better than DSP power management
15:19.42Naviosso-browser-ui
15:19.58KotCzarnywhen idling it uses same 165/something mode
15:19.59zaphmm, so DSP is actually under-frequenced?
15:20.04qwerty12Who wants to join me in updating to diablo beta?
15:20.17pH5igor stoppa wrote once that it might not make a difference because at 400MHz the ARM can idle longer
15:20.19KotCzarnyi will pass diable for a month or two for now
15:20.35RST38h"Despite all the controversy over Microsoft using Silverlight to take over the rich internet market from Adobe Flash, the software giant seems to be not even trying. In fact, even most Microsoft web sites are using Flash instead of Silverlight."
15:20.38RST38hHehe x 2
15:20.48KotCzarny:)
15:21.11RST38hqwerty <-- crossing to the dark side (tm)
15:21.22zapyep, SilverLight is just a cunning step from M$ to force Adobe make flash opensource
15:21.22qwerty12Hehe, I'm going for it. Forget apt, I'm gonna DTA the packages and disable the lifeguard.
15:21.24qwerty12lol
15:21.41Navihttp://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/
15:21.47qwerty12I saw that
15:22.03Naviah
15:22.30qwerty12Too much hassle for me, moving the archives folder, I'm just gonna dpkg -i --force-all *.deb :/
15:22.42Navilol
15:22.45KotCzarnyhehe
15:23.09zapIf Windows was famous for it's ping-of-death, N810 is famous for its ping-of-life
15:23.13NaviI was just going to symlink the cache for the sake of convenience
15:23.55KotCzarnyhttp://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/feature-engineer-builds-portable-wooden-snes-runs-starfox-video-
15:24.00KotCzarnyheh
15:25.31RST38hYeah
15:25.50pH5KotCzarny: I found the "2007SE" check in ao_gst.c and ad_dspmp3.c, did I miss something?
15:26.06KotCzarnyph5: that's probably it
15:26.15RST38hThe Bush administration on Friday urged a federal appeals court to stop meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease, but a skeptical judge questioned whether the government has that authority.
15:26.15KotCzarnyi don't remember the exact code
15:26.24KotCzarnybut it was checking for os2006 or 2007
15:26.32KotCzarnythen disabling/enabling some things
15:26.40RST38hFor 4 years now, I am getting all the US news via dailyrotten
15:26.44pH5ok, thanks. will try like that.
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15:33.00zapKotCzarny: No luck with your mplayer as well
15:33.09KotCzarnyhow are you playing it?
15:33.17zap/root/mplayer -ao gst -ac mp3dec *.avi
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15:33.37KotCzarnywhat is the error then?
15:33.39zapForced audio codec: mp3dec
15:33.40zapCannot find codec for audio format 0x55.
15:33.45zapafaik 0x55 is mp3
15:34.13KotCzarnylet me check on my nokia
15:34.22zapah!
15:34.31zapthe mplayer I have by default says:
15:34.33zapSelected audio codec: [dspmp3] afm: dspmp3 (MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770)
15:36.37KotCzarnyahh, sorry, dspmp3
15:36.37KotCzarny:)
15:37.24zapmplayer -ao help does not display dspmp3
15:37.26RST38hAre there ways to use dsp for video?
15:37.42KotCzarnyrst: yes, if you write task :)
15:37.54zapwhat is task?
15:37.56KotCzarnylardman was working on it afair
15:38.15KotCzarnyand lcuk will be :>
15:38.20RST38hheh
15:38.39pH5wishes somebody would leak the super secret IVA specs.
15:38.45RST38htried converting video with tablet-encode yesterday but the result is unwatchable
15:39.04GeneralAntillesBecause your mencoder is broken?
15:39.16KotCzarnyhttp://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/index.php?Page=FAQ
15:39.18RST38hDon't think so
15:39.28GeneralAntillesOr because you used a default preset?
15:39.33zapI'll add support for N810 to my tinyavi tool
15:39.38RST38hLooked rather like the default compression ration was too high
15:39.44RST38hused "best" preset
15:39.50KotCzarnyhehe
15:39.52GeneralAntillesBest is still low.
15:39.58KotCzarnyrst, there is mplayer preset i think
15:40.01RST38hBest was looking real ugly
15:40.12RST38hWell, I will play with mencoder settings
15:40.16pH5"best" is the best that the shipped media player can do afair.
15:40.26pH5mplayer can do better thanks to ssvb
15:40.33GeneralAntillesJust check the readme and set a new preset
15:40.47GeneralAntilles480px horizontal, 1200Kbps should do it OK
15:40.58qwerty12is installing the debs to diablo now
15:41.01GeneralAntillesThe regular presets are intended for mediaserv
15:41.16GeneralAntillesSince the network overhead impacts maximum video playback quality.
15:41.31GeneralAntillesis too.
15:41.38qwerty12Cool
15:41.47qwerty12Nice, they include a Chinese font now too
15:42.04RST38hah
15:42.33qwerty12and gcc is installing on my tablet? :/
15:43.38KotCzarnyyou did *.deb
15:43.40KotCzarnydidn't you?
15:43.40KotCzarny;)
15:43.56qwerty12KotCzarny, yes
15:44.09KotCzarnynow take the pain like a man
15:44.11qwerty12Interesting that gcc is included though
15:44.12KotCzarny:>
15:44.31qwerty12I bet im gonna get s***f***** though by no free space
15:44.42KotCzarnyyup
15:44.43KotCzarny:)
15:44.51KotCzarnyyou still didn't cloned the os?
15:44.55qwerty12nah
15:45.02qwerty12I'll just reflash :)
15:45.07KotCzarnyfeel the pain then
15:45.08KotCzarny:)
15:45.28qwerty12I plan on reflashing either way when diablo final comes out :)
15:45.29KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
15:45.29KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
15:45.30KotCzarny:>
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15:47.29qwerty12bollox, my N800 white screened
15:47.39qwerty12Time to reflash :p
15:47.42KotCzarny;)
15:47.50KotCzarnyclone it :P
15:48.17qwerty12Be good for a demo unit, all white screen :p
15:49.32RST38hKot: And the guy is right
15:49.50KotCzarnyrst: which one and where?
15:50.08RST38hAndy Rooney
15:50.16KotCzarnywho is that?
15:50.23KotCzarnyahm
15:50.24KotCzarnyok
15:50.25KotCzarny:)
15:50.28RST38hYou have just quoted him
15:50.44KotCzarnymy short time memory skipped to another topic already
15:50.46qwerty12lol
15:50.56RST38hThe weird part is, this quote applies not only to computers in general but also to a lot of "computer technologies"
15:51.31KotCzarnythe question is 'what's need to be done'
15:51.32KotCzarny;)
15:51.47Naviqwerty12, you tried to upgrade?
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15:51.59RST38hKot: A datapad a la StarTrek
15:52.03qwerty12Navi, Yes, I did it using dodgy dpkg method
15:52.09qwerty12I'm gonna do it proper way now.
15:52.13Navi:P
15:52.17RST38hKot: As sad as it is, Apple is closer than anybody else to that
15:52.34qwerty12GeneralAntilles, how far have you got?
15:52.58KotCzarnyheh, i just like comp as a tool for communicating and doing some scripts
15:53.29RST38hwhat do you need scripts for?
15:53.48KotCzarnyfor mass downloading pics from the internet
15:53.50KotCzarnyfor example
15:54.26forgeFor example mass amounts of porn
15:54.33qwerty12lmao
15:54.41KotCzarnyi use google for porn
15:54.42KotCzarny:)
15:54.55qwerty12Although I hate to admit, I was thinking same as forge
15:54.58forgeOh please internet whiz, teach me too!
15:54.59RST38hKot: See, you should skip at least one thing you use computers for =)
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15:55.25KotCzarnyi was thinking about becoming a carpenter ;)
15:55.31RST38hKot: I deally you should draw a crude picture of vagina with your finger and instantly get all the porn in the world =)
15:55.34forgeQwerty, computers are best utilized when downloading/watching/distributing porn!
15:55.38KotCzarnybut then i would start thinking about automatization of work ;)
15:55.45qwerty12forge, lol :D
15:56.01forgeIt's what internet is at it's best also!
15:56.31RST38hKot: yea, just make it bring up porn all the time, no matter what you do to it? =)
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15:56.40KotCzarny:)
15:56.59qwerty12Like someone once said, "take away all the porn from the internet and only one page will be left. one page that says bring back the porn!"
15:57.04forgeQwerty, on another topic, started updating to Diablo yet ?
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15:57.13qwerty12Yea, I'm trying again :)
15:57.35forgeNeato, i wanna hear if there's anything funfun added or changed
15:57.46GeneralAntillesLots, forge.
15:58.04forgeAwwww, awwww, make a list with lot's of pics of it!!!
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15:58.36GeneralAntilleshttp://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/
15:58.47qwerty12Theres your list :p
15:58.48KotCzarnyhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3054270.ece
15:58.49forgeWell i saw THAT!
15:58.49KotCzarnylol
15:59.04forgeNo more boner!
15:59.05GeneralAntillesThat's what's changed. . . .
15:59.22qwerty12da doing doing doing
15:59.34KotCzarny"he does not seem to be ready for anything, anywhere."
15:59.35KotCzarny;)
15:59.39GeneralAntillesInteresting +initfs-flasher 0.95.11-200817maemo2
15:59.39GeneralAntilles+kernel-diablo-flasher 2.6.21-200817maemo2
16:00.04KotCzarnystill 2.6.21 ?
16:00.06GeneralAntillesI suppose that answers the question as to whether kernel and initfs updates will be done through ssu
16:00.06KotCzarnybleah.
16:01.14qwerty12Cool, but it's a bit risky too imho.
16:01.53KotCzarny"The Army lacks knowledge about heraldry. Coats of arms containing lions without genitalia were given to those who betrayed the Crown."
16:01.54KotCzarnylol
16:02.09GeneralAntillesReset by peer on osso-notes. . . .
16:02.18RST38hchokes on his tea
16:02.46qwerty12does the heimlich
16:03.24RST38hKot: British?
16:03.27KotCzarnynope
16:03.32KotCzarnybut i like funny stories
16:03.33KotCzarny:)
16:03.36RST38hDutch?
16:03.43KotCzarnynope
16:03.53KotCzarnyas a hint i use latin2 charset
16:04.45qwerty12Can I guess?
16:05.01KotCzarnynope
16:05.02KotCzarny:)
16:05.06qwerty12Aww :( :P
16:05.14qwerty12I'm 95% sure I know too
16:05.16RST38hSweden!
16:05.21qwerty12I knew it!
16:05.26RST38hThird try
16:05.38KotCzarnysweden uses latin2?
16:05.48forgeEeh, they don't
16:05.51KotCzarny;)
16:06.14KotCzarny.pl
16:06.20KotCzarnyto cut the chase
16:06.20forgeAh so truu
16:06.34RST38hWe were forced to cut the lions willy off with the aid of a computer, he added.
16:06.36qwerty12KotCzarny, I swear down I knew it :(
16:06.49RST38hSee, that guy was right about computers!
16:06.55KotCzarny:)
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16:09.04RST38h3g iphone is coming - I guess we should all brace for impact on itt forums...
16:09.16GeneralAntillesDisable posting
16:09.22qwerty12Only thing I like about iphone is sound of quake 3 :/
16:09.32KotCzarnyqwerty: make a mp3
16:09.35KotCzarnyproblem solved
16:09.36KotCzarny:)
16:09.43qwerty12:P
16:10.06RST38hGA: Better - make i.phone a curse word and make system replace it with asterisks
16:10.40KotCzarnyeven better i.anything
16:10.40RST38hThis method is almost surgical in its precision
16:11.06qwerty12KotCzarny, now now, we don't want to upset mac fans
16:11.12KotCzarnywhy?
16:11.17KotCzarnyare there any mac users?
16:11.18KotCzarny:>
16:11.33qwerty12Who knows, they are an minority anyway :P MUAHAHAHAHAHAZ
16:11.41forge:)
16:12.11Navihttp://reallifecomics.com/archive/001122.html
16:12.35Naviread the next one too
16:12.38qwerty12lmao, heartbroken? :p
16:12.46RST38hMac fans are upset by definition
16:13.14RST38h'cause nobody shares their passion. Pretty much like Amiga fans of old.
16:13.44qwerty12once again, next release gets leaked. I feel sorry for that blog poster. Thank God for people like Benson though.
16:14.05Naviwoo
16:14.06Navileaks
16:14.09qwerty12Hmm, they include initfs-flasher as a package, is it fanoush's initfs flasher?
16:14.31GeneralAntillesNo, qwerty12.
16:14.35GeneralAntilles"leaks"
16:14.42qwerty12Thanks.
16:14.50GeneralAntillessetting up at the moment
16:15.21qwerty12Good thing is that we shouldn't have to reflash for final Diablo, according to Mara, he updated older Diablo to new one.
16:15.38KotCzarnyqwerty: i think it's not the case for you :>
16:16.01qwerty12Hehe, that's true. I wonder how long I'm gonna last :P :D
16:16.06NaviHeh
16:16.50qwerty12keeps ******* myself when screen powers down :/
16:17.05KotCzarnyyawns
16:17.26qwerty12pours water over KotCzarny into shocking him into staying awake
16:17.46KotCzarnydouble screen protects me from such accidents
16:17.54KotCzarnycontinues to yawn
16:17.59GeneralAntilleslol
16:18.00qwerty12Damn
16:18.04GeneralAntillesmce is now entirely broken
16:18.09GeneralAntillesNo powerbutton, wwo!
16:18.18qwerty12Gangster!
16:18.54qwerty12GeneralAntilles, it may just be mce symlinks are broken. I had that problem with powerlaunch juggling :/
16:19.12GeneralAntillesstupid powerlaunch
16:19.17GeneralAntillesCaused me nothing but trouble lately.
16:19.31NaviHa
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16:19.42qwerty12rm the mce symlinks in rc2 and rc5 and relink them to the scripts in init.d folder
16:19.43NaviHuh
16:19.51Navilele, is that your mac?
16:19.55GeneralAntillesErm, I guess I'm running Diablo. . . .
16:20.02KotCzarnymore like ipv6 addy
16:20.16KotCzarnymac is 6 bytes
16:20.20Navimmk
16:20.23leleipv6 autocofig
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16:20.47leleso it includes my macaddress as well
16:20.48qwerty12diablo has a package called osso-ipv6 so I don't need to flash kernel for ipv6 ;)
16:20.52qwerty12hopefully
16:21.08qwerty12Woot, installed, now rebooting :)
16:21.13forgeWuut
16:21.21forgeIs there a new theme ?
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16:21.36qwerty12No idea, I'm waiting for it to start.
16:21.42KotCzarnysshot pls
16:21.42KotCzarny:)
16:21.53forge<3
16:22.22qwerty122 email options are there :D
16:22.25qwerty12modest I guess
16:22.35qwerty12KotCzarny, I have no screenshot program installed
16:22.54NaviWhen I last used Diablo, there weren't any new themes
16:23.04Navionly a rehashed Echo theme
16:23.20qwerty12GeneralAntilles, mce works fine but application manager does not.
16:23.29forgeModest should be the default on diablo
16:23.34NaviYeah
16:23.46NaviIt _is_ the default
16:23.48forgeOh how i wish i had uptodate tablet :/
16:24.14Naviunless they decided to pull it out
16:24.14forgeAll the cool stuff happends on the 8xx series :(
16:24.29forgeYah
16:24.32qwerty12The version number is 3.2008.18-11
16:24.47GeneralAntillesEh . . . MicroB didn't update
16:24.51GeneralAntillesTime for round 2
16:24.54RST38hDoes Modest even work? =)
16:24.57Naviapt-get update?
16:25.00Navier
16:25.02GeneralAntillesOf course, RST38h.
16:25.10forgeModest works wonders even on my 770 <3
16:25.14RST38h[I know it completely breaks Nokia Backup by using @ characters in its XML config file]
16:25.31qwerty12Ah, I know whats wrong.
16:25.34Navi?
16:25.58qwerty12"last line is malformed :/"
16:27.16qwerty12w00t, fixed it
16:27.51Navicool
16:27.52GeneralAntillesGonna flash my internal clean and start over.
16:27.53Navihow
16:28.07qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I did the same. It works well.
16:28.20NaviI'd flash right now but I'm in the middle of an online browser rpg with it
16:28.22GeneralAntillesYou have to move the apt cache?
16:28.32GeneralAntillesNavi iz so kool
16:28.38Navii kno rite?
16:30.32qwerty12They have changed legal message. They should take the hint and include my mod instead ;)
16:31.22GeneralAntillesYou have enough space to do it on internal flash, qwerty12?
16:31.39qwerty12Yes, but I moved archives for good message
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16:31.59qwerty12s/message/measure
16:32.09qwerty12I'm uploading screenshots.
16:33.12forgeSweet
16:35.00qwerty12I've uploaded two :P
16:35.06qwerty12Want a screenie of modest?
16:35.10NaviOkay
16:35.15NaviI'm reflashing
16:35.34forgeOh bugger, now my tablet is rebooting itself everytime it tries to connect on gtalk
16:35.47forgeOh the joy's of HE
16:36.16RST38hFolks are you installing Diablo firmware image or what?
16:36.25forgeFrom packages
16:36.30qwerty12Deb files, add the repo and install that software version package
16:36.33pH5modest still completely locks up when trying to open my gmail inbox with 160k messages :(
16:36.41qwerty12I'm uploading email screenies now.
16:36.59GeneralAntillesSSU in a manner of speaking, RST38h.
16:37.31GeneralAntillesRST38h, http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/
16:37.45RST38hwow
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16:40.33RST38hqwerty: The really big questions is "does it support a2dp?" =)
16:41.07qwerty12No idea, my headset is dead.
16:41.40qwerty12But because it's you, I'll check it out :p
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16:42.17RST38hthanks =)
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16:42.44qwerty121 more screenie to upload.
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16:45.05qwerty12ok, all my 5 screenies uploaded. enjoy.
16:45.22forgeWhere :o
16:45.27qwerty12http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=180010#post180010
16:45.31forgeTack
16:45.36qwerty12RST38h, checking...
16:45.51GNUtonHi
16:46.18KotCzarnylooks similiar
16:46.20KotCzarny:)
16:46.42unixSnobhey.. did you guys just get a system message saying I changed my status to "online"?
16:46.49qwerty12KotCzarny, it is mostly
16:46.51qwerty12unixSnob, no
16:47.08qwerty12RST38h, doesn't mention A2DP. Still says HFP,HSP
16:47.08unixSnobI'm using a new irc client.. not sure what it shows.. - ah, okay, thanks qwerty12
16:47.48RST38haha
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16:48.11qwerty12No a2dp, just checked in media player.
16:48.17RST38hwonders if the finger keyboard still uninvokable
16:48.26RST38hpity about a2dp...
16:48.30GeneralAntillesRST38h, that's one of the bugs that was fixed.
16:48.37RST38hcooooooooooooooooool
16:48.37GeneralAntillesWhy, RST38h, not something that was planned. :P
16:48.40KotCzarnystill no 3d libs?
16:48.53GeneralAntillesIt's a dot release, not a major OS upgrade.
16:49.01qwerty12RST38h, look at my screenshot of new keyboard panel ;)
16:49.02RST38hGA: I have got a2dp headphones and no a2dp devices to use them with
16:49.11qwerty12RST38h, same here :D
16:49.14GeneralAntillesHax the N800
16:49.16RST38hThey did not incude a2dp with e70 and n810 also misses it :(
16:49.20GeneralAntillesA2DP isn't too hard to get working
16:50.09RST38hqwerty: the screenshot indicates a workaround, not a fix to the invokation mechanism ;)))
16:50.41qwerty12True but it's an hint ;). I'll see if I can check.
16:51.00corq-FLAnyone who's involved with the port of GPXView to maemo: You rock. It works *so* nicely.
16:51.22qwerty12harbaum isn't on here afaik
16:51.24GeneralAntillesUg
16:51.30GeneralAntillesConnection reset by peer. . . .
16:51.31GeneralAntillesagain
16:51.42forgeStupid peer!
16:51.56qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Download the packages using DTA on computer and symlink archives to mmc and place debs in there ;)
16:52.05qwerty12It's how I did it successfully as you can see
16:52.19NaviStupid peer
16:52.21NaviI hate 'em
16:52.26corq-FLheh
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16:53.09GeneralAntillesStupid l10n updates.
16:58.49qwerty12RST38h, I just launched finger keyboard by pressing thumb
17:00.17Navioh yeah
17:00.26Navithe thumb keyboard comes out really easy in diablo :P
17:00.36NaviI wasn't aable to open it with the stylus at all
17:00.45Naviwith the build I used a while ago
17:01.36RST38hPerfect
17:01.50RST38hI couldn t even open it with a finger before
17:02.01Naviand you can set the center rocker to open the stylus keyboard
17:02.12qwerty12Lol, do American Nokia employees all live in TX? :P
17:02.13Navi'cuz it's impossible to open it unless you set it to open always
17:02.18RST38hwell this one does not help on n810 :)
17:02.27Navilol
17:02.36NaviIndeed it doesn't
17:02.39KotCzarnywell
17:02.43Naviqwerty12, maybe
17:02.52KotCzarnysometimes maybe you would prefer not opening hw kb?
17:03.02NaviWe had a few assembly plants here, but they all shut down and moved over to Mexico
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17:03.09NaviKotCzarny, ...
17:03.10qwerty12Ah, interesting
17:03.18KotCzarny;)
17:03.20NaviThe rocker is on the slider
17:03.40qwerty12I'll fake a southern accent and move to da dirty south :P
17:03.57Naviif you open up the slider to use the stylus keyboard, you might as well just use the hw keyboard
17:04.06Navis/open/have to open/
17:04.38KotCzarnyisn't thumb osk opene by thumb press?
17:04.42KotCzarnyat least in theory
17:05.02NaviYeah, it's easy to do it in diablo :P
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17:10.44qwerty12I need to use my own hack to change the device name...
17:15.39qwerty12Another screenie being uploaded from help file with some tiny, obvious info about ssu
17:18.20NaviHow do we update from the diablo repo?
17:18.37Navihow do we add it to the repo sources to begin with?
17:18.50qwerty12Update notfifer just tells you once a week when you can update. The install process installs a new sources.list
17:19.06Navi:/
17:19.16NaviI mean, how do I go from chinook -> diablo
17:19.30qwerty12Ah, N800 or N810?
17:19.40NaviN800
17:20.22qwerty12Add this in application managers source.list - deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/chinook/ ./ and run apt-get update and run apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked
17:20.47KotCzarnywhy does it say 'unlocked' ?
17:21.10qwerty12No idea, theres a standard one but I went for the unlocked one as recommended by mvs
17:21.53KotCzarnymaybe they are preparing for the gsm tablet ?
17:21.56KotCzarny:>
17:22.04qwerty12lol
17:22.09qwerty12a wimax package did install
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17:23.07MajMin7hello
17:23.16MajMin7anyone around?
17:23.18qwerty12really needs to move archives directory back
17:23.40MajMin7I'm trying to figure out where I can put a file on my N810 so that I can see it in the file browser
17:23.51qwerty12/home/user/MyDocs
17:23.53MajMin7(im trying to upload a cert file so I can enter it into the cert manage)
17:23.57MajMin7hmmmmmmmmm
17:24.12qwerty12For internal memory. Internal memory card is /media/mmc2. External card is /media/mmc1
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17:30.27qwerty12Bye
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17:53.01jldiazZzZzhoola
17:54.02jdiazI'm happy. I'm writing from a usb keyboard plugged to the tablet
17:54.20Naviyay
17:54.22jdiazit works perfectly, even if the layout is not US
17:54.45KotCzarnywhat power rating?
17:54.52jdiaz70mA
17:55.00jdiazbut I'm using a self-powered hub
17:55.51jdiazbtw... what could happens If the consumption exceeds the maximum 100mA allowed by the tablet?
17:56.06KotCzarnynothing much
17:56.10NaviWow, resizing applets is so much more responsive
17:56.11KotCzarnyit simply won't work
17:56.13KotCzarny:)
17:56.26jdiazaha, but I can't damage the unit?
17:57.11jdiazHum, I can see that the keyboard leds do not lit
17:57.22jdiazand bloqnum does not work
17:57.40jdiazin fact, the whole number keypad does not work
17:57.50Naviugh, lame
17:58.13jdiazit is not an issue to me. I never used it :-)
17:58.49KotCzarnyi think it's pc that turns leds on/off
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17:59.17jdiazyes, KotCzarny , it is
17:59.34jdiazbut it does it well under linux/ubuntu with the same keyboard
17:59.42jdiazand not under maemo OS2008
17:59.49jdiazbut it is not important
17:59.53KotCzarny:)
18:01.20jdiazHmm.. is it possible to add new keyboard layouts?
18:01.25jdiazI'm thinking on Dvorak
18:04.54GeneralAntillesYes, jdiaz
18:07.16Navihi pupnik
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18:17.06jdiazGeneralAntilles: what are the magic words to google?
18:17.35jdiazHmm ... dvorak maemo bluetooth keyboard
18:21.10jdiaznnnnnnn96¡
18:21.20KotCzarnyalmost
18:21.21KotCzarny;)
18:21.23jdiazsorry, that was my daughter
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18:31.00KotCzarnyhttp://www.barechoons.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27
18:31.01KotCzarny:)
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18:41.54JaffaMorning, all
18:43.23trickiehrw|gone: http://paste-it.net/public/fc198eb/
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18:54.00keesjhi
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18:55.29EruditeHermithey guys anyone got diablo working here?
18:56.11forgeYes
18:56.48EruditeHermitdo the chinook apps work with it?
18:57.18JaffaAIUI, yes.
18:59.09forgeThey only break binary compatibility between large versions (2.x -> 3.x -> 4.x)
18:59.20AStormdoes diablo even exist?
18:59.34KotCzarnysome religions insist on that
18:59.35KotCzarny;)
19:00.15forge:p
19:00.34forgeMaybe he was just referring the game ?
19:02.14AStormnah, the version of maemo
19:02.29elbI saw him on Doctor Who
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19:09.20EruditeHermitJaffa: did you do it?
19:09.31EruditeHermitif so, did you need to backup all your apps/data
19:09.41EruditeHermitor did you do it over the air as it seems it can be done that way
19:09.59JaffaEruditeHermit: No, I said "AIUI". I've not done it myself, since I have no access to Diablo
19:11.31Navitimeless, are you around?
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19:16.22AStorm*the* timeless of mozilla.org?
19:17.10KotCzarnyprobably
19:17.11KotCzarny:)
19:17.22KotCzarnyis he famous?
19:17.48AStormfamous enough for me :P
19:17.48keesjbut IT works for nokia's brower
19:18.11keesjwhat dod you need from him :p
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19:18.53AStormwrt firefox, just got a build failure :P
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20:30.26qwerty12_N800Hi :). I write from diablo. For dsp hackers, check out ftd from diablo repo... f***in brilliant...
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20:43.22fredixhi
20:44.41fredixdoes someone ca help me to install libglade2 on my 770 (OS2006) ?
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20:46.58rafaelhello guys
20:50.08rafaelcan somebody a answer a question?
20:50.44rafaelis really that exists a version of OS 2008 for developers?
20:51.53jjorafael: for 770 you mean?
20:52.19sm00th_trac3rrafael: maemo-sdk? +)
20:52.39rafaelN800
20:54.02sm00th_trac3rrafael: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/
20:54.04jjooh, I thought you might have ment the hacker edition for 770
20:54.29sm00th_trac3rrafael: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_chinook_sdk.html i mean +)
20:55.31rafaeljjo: No problem, thanks
20:56.32GeneralAntillesStill no working softpoweroff in Diablo. :(
20:58.08rafaelsorry for my ignorance smooth, however, this version chinook come with ssh, vi and various tools?
20:58.50AStormuhm? just install these yourself
20:59.00AStormonto chinook
20:59.14sm00th_trac3rrafael: i don't really know, but those are easy installed
20:59.31sm00th_trac3rrafael: and not only in sdk-versions
21:00.11sm00th_trac3rrafael: if u just need some development tools, not full sdk - u can browse through maemo.org and install them
21:00.14rafaeluhmm...
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21:01.46rafaelI'm already installed OS 2008 on my device
21:02.47rafaelbut, I read about this (that have a version only for developers)
21:02.58rafaelfor this, I make a question
21:03.56zchydem_homeyet another sb2 installation problem.. I have two Kubuntu Hardy 8.04 PCs and when I try to install maemo sdk+ to the second PC the /opt/maemo/tools/arm-2005q3 directory is missing. The first PC everything installs and works fine. Any ideas why that dir could be missing?
21:04.27zchydem_homeI have followed the instructions from: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html
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21:09.13EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: hey, when you upgraded did it uninstall all chinook packages?
21:09.24EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: I get 366 to upgradeand 800 odd to remove
21:09.45GeneralAntillesIt installed Diablo packages.
21:09.48GeneralAntillesNot Chinook packages.
21:10.00EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: your chinook extra stuff like xournal
21:10.10GeneralAntillesTwo biggest failing points are running out of space and network failures to the server.
21:10.40GeneralAntillesChinook and Diablo are (mostly) backwards and forwards compatible.
21:10.56EruditeHermitand did you get 800 packages to remove?
21:10.56GeneralAntillesSo just add Chinook Extras separately to get all of the chinook packages.
21:11.02GeneralAntillesIt was a lot
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21:11.09GeneralAntillesMostly l10n stuff
21:11.26GeneralAntillesas they moved to per-language packages instead of per-application.
21:11.34EruditeHermitdid it remove any apps you'd installed previously from extras? or was it all l10n?
21:11.45GeneralAntillesI did it on a clean install.
21:11.49EruditeHermitoh
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21:12.08GeneralAntillesIt choked on my messy install due to a broken powerlaunch install
21:12.12GeneralAntillesmessed up symlinks
21:12.13EruditeHermitalso how did you get passed /var/cache/apt/archives not having enough space?
21:13.08GeneralAntillesln -s /media/mmc1/var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives
21:13.17GeneralAntillesJust delete it after your done upgrading
21:13.31GeneralAntillesAlso, make sure you delete the audio/video files and documentation stuff
21:13.39GeneralAntillesas  that's 40MB right there.
21:13.43qwerty12_N800And remake original archives folder.
21:13.50qwerty12_N800after deleting
21:13.52EruditeHermityeah
21:13.55EruditeHermitok
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21:14.11qwerty12_N800ftd  is my favourite program on diablo atm
21:14.19EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: how is the flash plugin on diablo?
21:14.28EruditeHermitis it faster?
21:14.28qwerty12_N800Haven't tried it
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21:15.30qwerty12_N800Has anyone sent a nitro core dump yet?
21:15.42EruditeHermitIwish that my backup application worked
21:15.47EruditeHermitit keeps crashing when I try it
21:15.56qwerty12_N800:(
21:17.01qwerty12_N800A lot more init progs in diablo
21:18.48qwerty12_N800mce.ini file is same to me, just has more colours for n8100
21:18.52qwerty12_N800s/n810
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21:20.53GeneralAntillesNo softpoweroff. :<
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21:21.07GeneralAntillesIt was fixed Nokia-side back in December, too. :\
21:22.02AStormheh
21:24.15qwerty12_N800cant wait til nxt friday
21:24.52jdiazan alternative to vi for editing files from the xterm in the tablet?
21:25.02AStormvim?
21:25.05AStorm:P
21:25.12forge^^
21:25.13jdiaznot so similar :-)
21:25.17KotCzarnymcedit
21:25.18KotCzarny:)
21:25.18AStormnano
21:25.19jdiazis emacs ported?
21:25.23qwerty12_N800yes
21:25.26jdiazor other emacs-like?
21:25.28AStormjdiaz: that'd be mad
21:25.35AStormnot enough bucky bits
21:25.51jdiazyes, I'm not interested in the whole emacs, only in its usual keyboard shortcuts
21:26.02AStormthat is, ctrl abuse?
21:26.07jdiazyes
21:26.11AStormhehehe
21:26.20GeneralAntillesvi works about perfectly on the N800
21:26.27AStormGeneralAntilles: vim too
21:26.42AStormI need to set proper insert mode (with editing)
21:26.42jdiazyes, it does, but I never get accustomed to vi
21:26.45AStormand arrows
21:26.59AStormjdiaz: a good time to start
21:27.02jdiazalways require a cheatsheet at hand
21:27.22jdiazI'm more emacs inclined
21:27.34GeneralAntillesjust remember i, escape and :wq
21:27.39jdiazthere is a feature of emacs I use almost daily
21:27.40GeneralAntillesThat's all you need to get by.
21:27.47AStormfor one his own
21:27.51KotCzarnydd is nice too
21:27.52KotCzarnyand x
21:27.53qwerty12_N800sum1 ported emacs search ~itt
21:27.57KotCzarnydd for line del
21:27.59jdiazGeneralAntilles, sure, but there is also the always neccesary cut-copy-paste
21:28.00AStormGeneralAntilles: not to mention /
21:28.00KotCzarnyand x for char del
21:28.03AStorm#
21:28.10AStorm{, } and.
21:28.12jdiazI never remember how to copy paste in vim
21:28.15AStormyep
21:28.23GeneralAntillesWe're going simple. ;)
21:28.24AStormjdiaz: V, Y, P
21:28.30qwerty12_N800I use terminal copy and paste
21:28.34AStormv for visual mode
21:28.35GeneralAntilles^
21:28.43AStormyank and paste
21:28.46GeneralAntillesEr, yes, use qwerty's method.
21:28.52jdiazAStorm, but how do mark the block?
21:29.07jdiaz(how do I mark)
21:29.11AStormjdiaz: visual mode
21:29.23NaviIf you built with mouse support, use the mouse
21:29.37AStormNavi: don't spoil hi  :P
21:29.40Navi:P
21:29.42AStorm*him
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21:29.55jdiazAStorm: oooh!
21:30.05jdiazI love visual mode!
21:30.33jdiazhow do I never see it mentioned in the tutoriasl/cheatshets I read until now?
21:30.45jdiazI read the wrong tutorials, I suppose
21:31.04jdiazWell, this makes vi a lot more usable. I'll give it another try :-)
21:31.04NaviNothing better than vimtutor
21:31.26jdiazIt would be ideal if I could perform some column-oriented tasks
21:31.35jdiazfor example, select a rectangular area, and delete it
21:31.42jdiaz(in order to delete a column in a table)
21:31.47AStormjdiaz: ctrl+v
21:31.52AStormthat's block mode
21:32.00AStormor was it vb
21:32.24AStormselect in it, then delete :)
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21:32.41jdiazyou are saving my day!
21:32.44jdiaztanks!
21:32.45KotCzarnyin mcedit it's f3, f3, f5
21:32.46KotCzarny:)
21:33.05jdiazfinally, how can I insert a text in front of several lines
21:33.06AStormand in vi(m) ctrl+v
21:33.13jdiaz(eg: to add a column in a table)
21:33.32jdiaz(or commenting out a region of a program)
21:33.32AStormjdiaz: .s/^/text/
21:33.44AStorm:s/^/text/
21:33.50jdiazyes, I knew that one :-)
21:34.05AStormalt. select an area with visual mode and run that
21:34.13jdiazbut what if the insertion point is not the beginning of the line?
21:34.31AStormjdiaz: visual mode then, plus s :)
21:34.36jdiaz(ading a separator between two columns, for example)
21:34.46AStorm^ matches beginning of selection line
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21:35.45AStormnah, I fail
21:35.54AStormanother special char :)
21:36.49jdiazHm.. it doesnt work in block mode
21:36.49KotCzarny:)
21:37.11jdiaz^ matches the beginning of the line, not the block
21:37.29KotCzarnyprobably depends on implementation
21:37.40KotCzarnyor /s param
21:38.20jdiazvi for maemo doesn implement undo
21:38.29jdiazdoes vim for maemo implements it?
21:38.33KotCzarnyprobably
21:38.41KotCzarnybecause default vi is provided by busybox
21:38.44jdiazWell...
21:39.08jdiazis traveling 15 years back in time... learning vi again
21:40.23pH5KotCzarny: wow, I didn't think that offloading mp3 decoding to the dsp would make such a big difference in mplayer. too bad seeking practically doesn't work
21:40.31KotCzarny:)
21:40.32KotCzarnyyeah
21:40.35KotCzarnynag ssvb
21:40.46KotCzarnyfanoush already included op patch in his kernel
21:41.00KotCzarnyso it's possible to disable 330/220 mode
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21:41.41Capn_Fishjohnx: What's the latest on the new Debian?
21:42.38pH5echo 1 > /sys/power/op_dsp
21:42.43AStormpH5: offloading mp3 will help slightly
21:42.50KotCzarnyastorm: more than slightly
21:42.57KotCzarnyesd sucks cpu hard
21:43.00AStormlike 7-10%
21:43.15jdiazAStorm, for inserting a text in front of the block, Ctrl-V, select bloc, press I
21:43.16AStormesd? this junk needs to die
21:43.28KotCzarnyastorm: no viable alternative for now
21:43.30jdiazbtw, vi for maemo doesnt implement v nor ^v
21:43.32AStormKotCzarny: does it use accel for mixing?
21:43.33pH5AStorm: and even slightly would help a lot if it's just slightly too slow to play at full framerate :)
21:43.38pH5framedrops suck visually
21:43.39jdiazluckily, vim does
21:43.44KotCzarnyastorm: nope
21:43.49KotCzarnyit's software
21:43.52KotCzarny(esd)
21:44.00AStormKotCzarny: give me pulseaudio then
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21:44.11AStormwith speex integer resamler
21:44.18AStorm*resampler
21:44.28KotCzarnyi can give you dsp compiler
21:44.30KotCzarny:)
21:44.48qwerty12_N800AStorm, +1. i like pa.
21:44.53AStormnaah, writing a mixes and not being pais for it...
21:45.16AStormcan't, too much work
21:45.23AStorm:/
21:45.40KotCzarnyi think ssvb isn't paid by nokia also
21:45.41KotCzarny:)
21:46.02lcukKotCzarny, stop being a siren, you know i will be having that dsp compiler soon :P
21:46.10KotCzarny:>
21:46.21AStormit'd be fun to write libmad using dsp
21:46.31KotCzarnyastorm: it's a c compiler
21:46.44AStormKotCzarny: oh really?
21:46.49KotCzarnyand lardman wrote some g711 codec for it
21:46.58AStormdo I have to know somethoing more?
21:47.03pH5did anybody here try the dsp-flac codec?
21:47.07KotCzarnyi don't know, ask lardman
21:47.12KotCzarnyhe is the dsp man here
21:47.12KotCzarny:)
21:47.25AStormpH5: not yet?
21:47.27Capn_Fishjohnx: You here?
21:47.38AStormdsp vorbis would be fun too
21:47.47KotCzarnybut
21:47.49AStormif dsp has enough power
21:47.52KotCzarnybefore you go all dandy handy
21:47.59KotCzarnythere is a problem with gst and mplayer
21:48.07KotCzarnythat needs to be addressed first :/
21:48.07AStormdrop gst
21:48.17AStormuse pulse support of mplayer
21:48.21AStormor esd compat
21:48.31jdiazhow mature is ruby for maemo?
21:48.40AStormjdiaz: moderately
21:49.11jdiazat least is it actively developed?
21:49.47AStormdunno, most likely yes
21:49.54jdiazI was just switching from python to ruby in my desktop, when I purchased the n810...
21:50.20jdiazso I guess I still have to do python for a while
21:50.38qwerty12_N800wants to see diablo for sbox :p. newer apt in diablo means I can try synaptic again...
21:50.49AStormheh, why have you switched to "an inferior language"? ;)
21:51.02KotCzarnybecause he want to go RoR ?
21:51.03KotCzarny:)
21:51.10KotCzarny*wants
21:51.13AStormdjango baby?
21:51.32jdiazI find easier to express myself in ruby than in python. It is more consistent
21:51.39GeneralAntillesjdiaz, alterego is the guy who ported it.
21:51.39KotCzarnyi like c
21:51.40KotCzarnyand php
21:51.41KotCzarny:)
21:51.45AStormno, it's not :)
21:52.04AStormKotCzarny: weak typing is the spawn of satan!
21:52.05GeneralAntillesHe normally haunts around here, but I haven't seen him on in a couple months.
21:52.13KotCzarnypfft
21:52.18KotCzarnybut i like it more
21:52.25GeneralAntillesPunch the keys for gods sake!
21:52.26KotCzarnythan writing 10 functions to do nearly the same
21:52.27KotCzarny:)
21:52.29jdiazbefore ruby, python, perl and php, I abused a lot of awk :-)
21:53.12elbAStorm: sure it is
21:53.12AStormjdiaz: do you *reallyc know the, or just tried?
21:53.17elball this ruby bigotry ;-)
21:53.22AStormelb: elaborate
21:53.29AStormah
21:53.49elbdo you know ruby?
21:53.59AStormKotCzarny: 10 functions? lol
21:54.06jdiazAStorm, I did not develop any big project in ruby, only daily scripting use. But the same applies to my python habits. And I do prefer ruby
21:54.06AStormelb: no, I don't
21:54.16elbbut you're claiming it's not more consistent than Python?
21:54.21elbinteresting :-P
21:54.32AStormyes, I am :P
21:54.40elbpython has some real inconsistencies that ruby doesn't
21:54.42jdiazsorry having spawned a religion war
21:54.53KotCzarnyit's ok
21:54.55KotCzarny:)
21:55.00elbe.g. magic function names, operators which are "overloaded" but can't be re-overloaded, etc.
21:55.01AStormit's because python is consistent
21:55.16elbruby is almost entirely lacking in such things
21:55.22elbit has its own brain damages, don't get me wrong
21:55.24AStormelb: hmm? magic is well-defined
21:55.29elblike closures are over references :-P
21:55.34AStormwhich operators are overloaded?
21:55.35elbthey're well-defined, yes ... but not *consistent*
21:55.45jdiazAStorm, for example I always find my self writing some_string.length in python
21:55.45AStormelb: they are
21:55.45elb[]
21:55.56elball right, I think you're just bigoted, i shouldn't have started
21:55.57AStorm__x - magic name
21:55.59elblearn ruby, then we can talk
21:56.05AStorm__x__ - system name
21:56.08elbright, I understand that their *naming* is consistent
21:56.14elbbut their *existence* is not
21:56.33AStormyou want operator+ likein C? :P
21:56.47AStormor def +(a)?
21:56.49AStorm:P
21:56.52EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: hey, did it remove busybox and replace it with bash?
21:56.52elbno
21:57.03qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, no
21:57.03elbbut [] is magic syntactic sugar in python which is inconsistent
21:57.21qwerty12_N800You can get bash and coreutils though.
21:57.25elbI'm not saying python is *bad*, but you really can't claim it's 100% consistent without ignoring some important details
21:57.33Fatalelb: list comprehensions?
21:57.35EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: it says it wants to remove busybox
21:57.43KotCzarny:>
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21:57.48jdiazI always forget the syntax for getting a string length in python... After failing with some_string.length, I try some_string.len, and then len(some_string).... Even now I don't remember the exact syntax
21:57.50AStormelb: you mean slicing
21:58.00jdiazthat kind of things does not happen to me with ruby
21:58.00AStormit's consistent in Python 3 now
21:58.06AStorm:)
21:58.12jdiazthis is why I said it is more consistent
21:58.12qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, That's odd, although i didn't really look at pkgs to remove
21:58.16elbalso, the existence of native data types which cannot have methods is inconsistent
21:58.21EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: and sysvinit
21:58.22AStormjdiaz: last one is correct
21:58.38AStormalthough it could've been a property
21:58.48elboh, and yeah, the stupid external functions to modify some built-in data taypes
21:58.54elbanother great inconsistency of python
21:58.54AStormelb: now they can, since py 2.6
21:58.57jdiazreally? I thought that the correct one was length(some_string)
21:58.59qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, That's not right afaik. let me see if busybox pkg is present on diablo
21:59.02jdiazI'm serius
21:59.07jdiaz(serious)
21:59.16Capn_Fishjohnx: If you get this, I'll catch you later
21:59.17jdiazsee what I mean? :-)
21:59.39elbanyway, AStorm, you might think about choking back your ruby bigotry until you know something about it ;-)
21:59.57AStormhehee
21:59.58elbit certainly does have some annoying deficiencies, but you might as well know what they are before you start blindly plugging python
22:00.10elb(like ... closures over names, not values?  hello?)
22:00.12AStormthe only thing I hate in both is broken threading
22:00.12qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, not right. busybox and sysvinit are present on diablo. disable all other repos.
22:00.27AStormwhen I need threads, I want them working correctly
22:00.44AStormjdiaz:
22:00.47AStorm>>> len("abc")
22:00.49AStorm3
22:01.11elb"abc".length => 3
22:01.16elb[1, 2, 3].length => 3
22:01.16AStormyes
22:01.44AStormsame here, but with a function for some reason
22:01.45elb{:a => 1, :b => 2, :c => 3}.length => 3
22:01.57AStormetc.
22:01.58jdiazsorry AStorm, I did not mean that you were reacalling it wrong. I meant *I* was recalling it wrong.
22:02.25AStormelb: I prefer Haskell syntax more
22:02.40jdiazaskHell?
22:02.55AStorm(but not the rest of the language :P)
22:03.06AStormclean also looks neat
22:03.18AStormoCaml is ok, but perlish
22:03.40jdiazperl mascot is a caml :)
22:03.40AStorm(actually used these)
22:03.46EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: did you install a new kernel for it?
22:03.58AStormjdiaz: noo, never menton that junk
22:04.14AStormI mean perl
22:04.24EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: It just finished the upgrade (disablin all other repos fixed the busybox uninstall thing)
22:04.24Naviwtf
22:04.24jdiazI agree with you in this point
22:04.29EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: is it safe to reboot?
22:04.31qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, no. rd mode output still lists old one compiled in finland
22:04.46GeneralAntillesbusybox was upgraded with my install
22:04.46qwerty12_N800Should be if everything installed fine
22:04.55qwerty12_N800same here
22:04.57elbyeah I left perl behind when I discovered that ruby had usable regexp support
22:05.13AStormyeah, but all these regexes suck
22:05.24KotCzarnypreg_match is nice
22:05.25KotCzarny:)
22:05.30AStormas awks and greps are much faster
22:05.36AStormno, it's slow too
22:05.46KotCzarnynot for my regexps
22:05.48KotCzarny:)
22:05.54AStormexponential on some strings
22:06.08KotCzarnyie. account writing time too
22:06.14AStormeven with well-optimized exps
22:06.15lcukwhere do i tell maemo that i want an app running at startup?
22:06.26KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
22:06.33KotCzarnyor .xsession
22:06.35AStormor other
22:06.40AStormuse update-rc.d
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22:07.18qwerty12_N800make the init script 1st :p
22:07.38lcukthere is meant to be an init script with it, but its not starting
22:07.40jdiazdoes the n810 use flash memory for its root filesystem?
22:07.54AStormjdiaz: yes
22:08.00jdiazThat worries me...
22:08.05lcukive been playing with acmonitor (derf) and its not starting after reboot
22:08.06AStormwhy?
22:08.07GeneralAntillesWhy, jdiaz?
22:08.10GeneralAntillesWhat else would it use?
22:08.15jdiazthere is not supposedly a limit in the number of times you can write flash?
22:08.22KotCzarnylcuk, then .xsession
22:08.26qwerty12_N800lcuk, version i compiled worked :/
22:08.27KotCzarnyon normal system though
22:08.27AStormμhdd?
22:08.29GeneralAntillesThat's why it uses jffs
22:08.31GeneralAntilles2
22:08.39AStormjdiaz: yes, quite large
22:08.53jdiazlarge enough to not having to worry about?
22:08.54lcukqwerty12_N800, thats what im wondering, i just wanna check where it should live to see if its there but failing..
22:08.55AStormjffs2 has wear leveling and all
22:09.05jdiazlarger than the life of the device?
22:09.07AStormfor now, yes
22:09.08GeneralAntillesThere's a limit to the number of hours you can put on a hard drive, too. Especially a small one. )
22:09.27GeneralAntillesjdiaz, even if you do burn it out, you can just boot from SD
22:09.30AStormand you can move the fs to internal 2GG MMC
22:09.31lcuki once killed a 10mb section of my massive 240mb quantum fireball
22:09.31KotCzarnywell, speaking of that
22:09.37AStormor to the card
22:09.41KotCzarnythere is a limit you can run harddrive DAILY
22:09.43KotCzarny;)
22:09.49KotCzarnyfor some models
22:09.49EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: it looks like it didn't update it fully. I still have chinook it seems. However now that I look in sources.list.d I don't see the tableteer repos. Where did they go?
22:09.54AStormlcuk: 240 MB?
22:09.57jdiazaha
22:09.58AStormsmall
22:09.59lcukyer amiga..
22:10.01qwerty12_N800lcuk, run /etc/init.d/acmonitor start and see what it says.
22:10.03AStormahh
22:10.03lcuk1st hard drive
22:10.10AStormthose were the days
22:10.17jdiazwhat worried me is that some day the internal flash gets unusable
22:10.22lcuki had a massive 10mb dev partition
22:10.23qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, Mine are there :/
22:10.27GeneralAntillesI remember my 50MB hard drive.
22:10.28jdiazand this would render the whole device unusable
22:10.42AStormjdiaz: unlike hdds, these don't wear out from reading
22:10.47lcuk-sh: /etc/init.d/acmonitor: not found
22:10.59GeneralAntillesjdiaz, it wouldn't render the device unusable.
22:11.01GeneralAntillesBoot from SD
22:11.04AStormjdiaz: you can run the / fs from SD card too
22:11.10AStormand from internal mmc
22:11.15KotCzarnyor external mmc
22:11.17KotCzarny:)
22:11.20jdiazAStorm, yes, I do know that, but whenever I write something on flash, I feel a bit guilty :-)
22:11.22AStormonly kernel and initrd have to be in flash
22:11.32KotCzarnyastorm: and nolo
22:11.33KotCzarny;)
22:11.36KotCzarnyand config partition
22:11.42jdiazso I was being too paranoid, and I better forget about the issue
22:11.42qwerty12_N800lcuk, is the script called acmonitor :/?
22:11.43EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: can you paste me what the lines look like? is it chinook user?
22:11.46AStormwho reflashes thnese two? :P
22:11.58lcukno, i know what you mean now - there is the acmon script
22:11.59KotCzarnyastorm: firmware update probably :P
22:12.00qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, give me a min
22:12.03lcukthat exists
22:12.25KotCzarnyjdiaz: flash memory isn't as wimpy as 5 years before
22:12.34lcukand running that runs acmonitor and doesnt fail
22:12.38qwerty12_N800Who's gonna add diablo repo to gronmayer for joke :p
22:12.49AStormheh
22:12.58AStormempty repos?
22:13.07jdiazThanks guys, I'm less anxious now about using the flash
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22:13.23qwerty12_N800lcuk, do the update-rc.d thing then, I think it needs symlinks in run lvl 2 + 5
22:13.34KotCzarnyjdiaz: of course noatime is a must ;)
22:13.35GeneralAntillesActually, qwerty12_N800, how's it work just adding the Diablo repo instead of changing the chinook one?
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22:14.19qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, No idea, I removed chinook
22:14.25lcukqwerty12_N800, i did that and its starting and working as expected.  but its not starting when i reboot
22:15.00qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, hows your dcc?
22:15.09KotCzarnylcuk: have you added symlink to /etc/rc2.d/ ?
22:15.09qwerty12_N800lcuk, hmm :/.
22:15.10AStormqwerty12_N800: instructions?
22:15.24lcukyou really think i know how to add symlinks?
22:15.28qwerty12_N800AStorm, For what?
22:15.30GeneralAntillesHaha
22:15.35qwerty12_N800lol
22:15.36KotCzarnyln -s /soruce/file /dest/file
22:15.39GeneralAntilleslcuk == linucks phail :P
22:15.44jdiazjffs2 defaults to noatime?
22:15.45EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: no idea try it though
22:15.51AStormqwerty12_N800: for diablo
22:15.56KotCzarnyjdiaz: don't know, mine didn't
22:15.57KotCzarny:)
22:16.02KotCzarnybut it is now
22:16.03KotCzarny;)
22:16.09GeneralAntilleshttp://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/
22:16.14AStormjdiaz: it is mounted noatime by initrd
22:16.15jdiazit is also supported on vfat?
22:16.21KotCzarnyastorm: is it?
22:16.25AStormjdiaz: noatime? sure
22:16.33KotCzarnyastorm: mount |grep noatime
22:16.36AStormKotCzarny: it was here,at leas...
22:16.39GeneralAntilleschange the tableteer update repo to diablo
22:16.43AStormnow on fanoush'
22:16.53EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: oh dear it restarted while I was doing the upgrade now I have an endless restart loop
22:17.05KotCzarnyhehe
22:17.11KotCzarnysomeone is going to reflash now
22:17.12KotCzarny;)
22:17.13GeneralAntillesDid you kill the life lifeguard?
22:17.16EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800: is it possible to use flasher to boot from a kernel on my desktop?
22:17.17AStormEruditeHermit: thnatg's why there's ssh rescue mode
22:17.20GeneralAntillesAs it told you to in the instructions. ;)
22:17.24qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, yes
22:17.26AStormin fanoush' initrd
22:17.36AStormEruditeHermit: no
22:17.52AStormbut it may be possible to use qemu-system
22:17.53EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: slipped my mind =p
22:18.04jdiazKotCzarny, is it enough to add noatime in /etc/mtab?
22:18.09KotCzarnynope
22:18.16KotCzarnymtab is generated dynamically
22:18.22KotCzarnyand usually symlkink to /proc/mounts
22:18.22KotCzarny;)
22:18.28KotCzarnybut fstab is ignored
22:18.46KotCzarnyi just have changed some script
22:18.59KotCzarnyjdiaz: try checking if it has noatime first
22:19.02KotCzarnyas i may be wrong
22:19.09KotCzarnyand it may be the case for vfat
22:19.12jdiazmtab does not mention noatime
22:19.28jdiazneither mount|grep  (as expected)
22:19.42KotCzarnytry mount / -o remount,noatime
22:19.44qwerty12_N800Anyone think it's worth me doing app manager legal crap removal for diablo?
22:20.00KotCzarnyqwerty: not yet, i think
22:20.07KotCzarnywait for final release
22:20.20KotCzarnyunless you contact nokia's guys about it ;)
22:20.24jdiazKotCzarny, ok it worked
22:20.29qwerty12_N800good  idea, too much svn downloading...
22:21.11jdiazKotCzarny: and I did the same for /media/mmc[12]
22:21.20KotCzarnythen modify scripts
22:21.35KotCzarnymmc-mount or something
22:21.45KotCzarnyand probably something in /etc/rc2.d/
22:22.13EruditeHermitAStorm: so it is not possible to recover this?
22:22.24KotCzarnyi don't know why i laugh every time i read word 'braindamaged'
22:22.41KotCzarnyeh: not worth the work
22:22.49AStormEruditeHermit: you can overwrite kernel and initrd only
22:22.56AStormand hope for the best
22:22.58KotCzarnyjust reflash
22:22.59KotCzarny:)
22:23.18qwerty12_N800+1. installing diablo is a breeze from reflash
22:23.40jdiazmmc-mount mounts the external memories
22:23.45KotCzarnyyes
22:23.52jdiazwhat for the root filesystem?
22:23.52qwerty12_N800I hope Marius still has a job :(
22:24.02KotCzarnyjdiaz: something in rc2.d
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22:24.27GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, he wouldn't post it on a planet syndicated blog if that were an issue. :P
22:25.16GeneralAntillesBesides, Nokia wouldn't stick it in a public repo if it were, either
22:25.30qwerty12_N800True, but apart from diablo, we uncovered ftd which seems pretty internal to me. but I see your points
22:26.02GeneralAntillesWhere was ftd?
22:26.20qwerty12_N800It  was in the diablo repo afaik
22:26.25qwerty12_N800or catalogued
22:26.28GeneralAntillesDiablo extras?
22:26.38jdiazgrep mount /etc/rc2.d/* did not show anything, besides a comment
22:26.48qwerty12_N800I don't have that enabled afaik, let me check
22:27.24KotCzarnyjdiaz, then create a script named /etc/init.d/jdiaz-local
22:27.29qwerty12_N800yes I do, enabled as maemo extras
22:27.37KotCzarnyand symlink it as a S99-jdizaz-local in rc2.d
22:27.38KotCzarny:)
22:27.40EruditeHermitgar
22:27.42EruditeHermitthat didn't work
22:27.46EruditeHermitreflash required
22:27.50jdiazI see, and I do a remount
22:27.53qwerty12_N800I'm glad i found that one though :d, it's fun :p
22:27.58KotCzarnyanything you want
22:28.03KotCzarny:)
22:28.33qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, do you know if sticky dpad bug is fixed?
22:28.45GeneralAntillesHaven't noticed it
22:28.45KotCzarnyqwerty: use soap?
22:28.47KotCzarny;)
22:29.12qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, same here :). KotCzarny  :p
22:30.11jdiazwell, it was a productive talk. Gotta sleep now.
22:30.19jdiazgood night and thanks everybody!
22:30.25qwerty12_N800I may end up going soon (yes, i'm suprised when it happens) so bye in advance if it happens
22:30.25KotCzarnyheh
22:30.28qwerty12_N800nite
22:30.29EruditeHermitqwerty12_N800, AStorm: if the flasher kernel boot didn't work, there is no way to recover this? I have to reflash?
22:30.33GeneralAntillesMan, I hate that Application manager uses the error sound for it's success events. . . .
22:30.54lcukahhhhh, acmonitor is written for bora i believe.  running the binary on its own (via putty as root) appears to work and plugging/unplugging will work, but it wont start on startup and if i try "sudo acmonitor" i get a strange error
22:31.05qwerty12_N800EruditeHermit, yes. if you have mmc boot, try chroot
22:31.13AStormEruditeHermit: flasher what didn't work?
22:31.18qwerty12_N800lcuk, I compiled chinook version
22:31.19GeneralAntillesOh thank god
22:31.25EruditeHermitAStorm: booting a kernel using flasher
22:31.26KotCzarnylcuk: what error
22:31.34AStormEruditeHermit: it can't do that
22:31.38GeneralAntillesApplication manager no longer refreshes the list for every little misstep
22:31.38lcuksame as this
22:31.39lcukhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14928
22:31.40KotCzarnyeh: you have borken os, not kernel
22:31.43AStormit can flash the kernel
22:31.53qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, lets rejoice!
22:31.55lcuk...D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up;...
22:32.01EruditeHermitAStorm: it can also boot a kernel from flasher that it loads for one time use
22:32.05AStormI'd try flashing in fanoush initfs
22:32.22jottftd works fine under chinook as it seems
22:32.22KotCzarnylcuk: maybe it's not set up yet at this point, or needs some context, hmm
22:32.25AStormand peeking in what's broke using ssh
22:32.33qwerty12_N800lcuk, try normal user or pipe dbus-uuidgen output to  file mentioned
22:32.45EruditeHermitAStorm: how do I do that? Is there a page with instructions?
22:32.58AStormEruditeHermit: just google for fanousn
22:33.15lcukqwerty12_N800, you say you have chinook sources, there is only one tar available from his site
22:33.51lcukdo i need to use a different make command to build it
22:33.56qwerty12_N800There is a source tarball too, it compiles fine in chinook target and works too ;)
22:34.06jotthm nice all the retu&tahvo registers seem to be named :)
22:34.14lcukahhh right, so you didnt do anything other than build inside the chinook target
22:34.24qwerty12_N800yeah :)
22:34.39lcukthe bitch here is that it works..
22:34.47lcukit just wont startup
22:34.59KotCzarnylcuk, my guess it needs ~/.dbus/ or something
22:35.29qwerty12_N800lcuk, try jacking the files from my deb and replacing with yours
22:36.03AStormwhat are you mangling?
22:36.05lcuknahhh ill just reinstall the base version and see if it still does same thing, i installed it earlier to see if it worked but never got round to rebooting
22:36.24lcukijust ran it, checked it started doing what i expected and made changes
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22:38.00timelykeesj?
22:38.06timelywhat's the n810 survey?
22:38.35Navi:o
22:40.37qwerty12_N800sourceforge downloading system is getting crapper and crapper
22:40.42GeneralAntillesIt's on the tableteer site, timely.
22:40.48lcukacmonitor is starting now, it just needed that dbus-uuidgen running
22:41.13qwerty12_N800like i said before :/
22:41.15lcukw00000t instant fullspeed when i plug in charger :D
22:41.42lcukyer i know qwerty12_N800 thank you v muchly (and kot as well) i just prefer to know WHY i am running things and that its not just something ive done
22:42.56AStormlcuk: what about heat?
22:43.07qwerty12_N800:). sounds great! ftd can change cpufreq via gui  as well. mind sharing source sum time? I don't want conflict with orig acmonitor
22:43.16lcukwhat about it? it runs at fullspeed when playing movies for hours so why is this any different
22:44.26lcukgladly, but its just a hack around writing "ondemand" or "performance" to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
22:44.47lcukacmonitor just gave the framework and timing to run it
22:45.01jottqwerty12_N800: does the ftd "Battery Information" work under diablo?
22:45.10lcukftd?
22:45.27jottfield test display
22:45.52qwerty12_N800jott, no
22:46.14qwerty12_N800lcuk, see diablo thread 4 my screenshots
22:46.27qwerty12_N800it has cpufreq control too
22:47.02jottah just found it
22:47.05lcukthen why didnt i know this before - i could have just asked you
22:47.30qwerty12_N800i only found out about ftd 2day
22:47.52jottand i just fixed minor dependency problems with it and installed it under chinook ,)
22:48.03lcukso which page are these screenies on and what am i looking for
22:48.03qwerty12_N800cool,, but diablo ftw
22:48.53qwerty12_N800http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727&page=6
22:49.04jottlcuk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1651&stc=1&d=1210449331
22:49.05qwerty12_N800look for me saying holy shit
22:50.09jottftd also exists for s60 btw :)
22:50.14qwerty12_N800jott, thanks again for fortune :). works nice with conkky
22:50.21qwerty12_N800netmonitor?
22:50.43jottyeah there is actually one called ftd
22:50.58jottbut it's like netmonitor
22:51.34jottor netmonitor was actually the ftd ;)
22:51.35qwerty12_N800my ngage had  it for a while. now my w810 has some sort of.one
22:53.25jotthah i almost forgot about this one: http://www.mrvfone.com.au/vfone/techtop/netmon/
22:54.10qwerty12_N800best one yet :p
22:55.06jottwell back to the NIT ftd :)
22:55.13qwerty12_N800yep :)
22:55.15lcukright qwerty12_N800 i see it now, it displays the stats and allows changing, but its not automatic yet is it
22:55.38qwerty12_N800i never said it was
22:55.54lcukno i know
22:55.54qwerty12_N800I said it's a gui for changin it
22:56.08jottSoftware Resets: 91 ...hm quite reasonable ;)
22:56.16lcuklooks cool though and better than digging through with console or scp
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22:56.43KotCzarnyAlso Flash is version 2.50
22:56.44KotCzarnyChinook one is 2.35
22:56.45KotCzarnynice
22:56.50KotCzarnybut is it faster?
22:56.51KotCzarny:)
22:57.09jotthah probably a bunch of security fixes ;)
22:57.09qwerty12_N800:). jott, do you have nokia phoenix dongle? :D
22:57.26jotthm no :/
22:57.46qwerty12_N800i really want someone to try our phoenix :(
22:57.52qwerty12_N800s/our/out
22:58.46qwerty12_N800jott, 1 software reset :p
22:59.18qwerty12_N800my lifeguard is still disabled atm though
22:59.55jotthmm 1?! :O
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23:00.06jottcheater!
23:00.11KotCzarnyhmm
23:00.27qwerty12_N800yep :). i'd offer screenie but i'm tired of that 2day ;)
23:00.31KotCzarnyi see ftd can lock cpu op modes?
23:00.40KotCzarnyor it's only a view only?
23:00.53qwerty12_N800yes as we mentioned 3 times :p
23:01.07jottbut nothing special actually
23:01.36KotCzarnyalso there is suspend-to-mem
23:01.41KotCzarnywhatare other options?
23:01.50jotthm this battery information has really a long list of values ...
23:02.12qwerty12_N800jott, it works for you?
23:02.12jott"Export syslog as googlemaps readable" :)
23:02.15jottno
23:02.21qwerty12_N800ah :(
23:02.23jottbut the names are shown..
23:02.23KotCzarnydoes ftd need some deps from diablo or will work standalone?
23:02.31jottworks standalone
23:02.34KotCzarnygreat
23:02.37KotCzarny:)
23:02.41jottjust needs minor tweak of control file
23:03.00jott(for versions)
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23:03.31qwerty12_N800eww. ftd icon has xp comp
23:03.53jottheh indeed
23:04.01jottugly green/blue
23:04.36qwerty12_N800hehe
23:04.57qwerty12_N800tutorial home applet crashes for me in diablo
23:05.07qwerty12_N800sending nitro report...
23:05.48jotthehe they will get spammed with nitro reports the next few days ;)
23:06.07KotCzarny:)
23:06.11qwerty12_N800:D
23:06.33timelyqwerty12_N800: eh
23:06.39timelyhow'd you get a diablo image?
23:06.46KotCzarnyyou dont'
23:06.48jottno image just debs
23:06.49timelyis not used to seeing people metioning nitro
23:06.52qwerty12_N800read the thread :)
23:07.08qwerty12_N800i'm typing from diablo now
23:07.37qwerty12_N800lots of people know about the nokia hidden stuff thanks to my screenshots :p
23:07.51KotCzarnyif it's on public server it's not hidden
23:07.52KotCzarny:)
23:08.09qwerty12_N800noone saw it before though :p
23:08.22jottnot even nokians! :p
23:08.24KotCzarnyhow often you browse those repos?
23:08.25KotCzarny:)
23:09.01qwerty12_N800me? :)
23:10.39qwerty12_N800error while getting ftd bulk data from em - what's em?
23:11.35jottqwerty12_N800: have you updated initfs as well?
23:11.56qwerty12_N800no. initfs is still same :(
23:12.06qwerty12_N800i'm waiting till friday
23:12.28jottah i guess that's why the ftd bme view is not working for you either
23:12.50jotthttp://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/initfs-flasher_0.95.11-200817maemo2_all.deb contains the jffs2 image of the initfs ;)
23:12.58qwerty12_N800i stiil have diablo debs on my n800
23:13.08qwerty12_N800i'll flash now
23:13.14timelyNavi: darn
23:13.21timelyfwiw, last i checked the final image wasn't settled
23:13.29timelyi'm pretty sure there are still browser changes up in the air
23:14.22jottwell those with diablo will get them "over the air" anyway ;)
23:14.35timelynods
23:15.01jottDownloaded: 122,099,724 bytes in 663 files
23:15.03jottwhistles
23:15.21KotCzarnyhmm, ftd depends on some newer libs
23:15.25qwerty12_N800663? my number was less :/
23:15.31timelythat's interesting
23:15.40timely122mb is fairly close to the standard image size
23:15.42jottKotCzarny: see above - as i said minor version tweaks in control file needed
23:16.21jottqwerty12_N800: hmm i suppose i also got an extra index.html ..
23:16.23timelyoh well
23:16.26KotCzarnyi will just risk upgrading
23:16.27KotCzarny:)
23:16.31timelyi guess i should spend time trying to write the release notes
23:16.40qwerty12_N800jott, lol
23:17.06qwerty12_N800application manager has improved
23:17.40qwerty12_N800someone likes their swedish furniture, ikea is autocomplete word...
23:18.20KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
23:18.22KotCzarnyO.o
23:18.26KotCzarnyw00t?
23:18.33qwerty12_N800o rly?
23:18.38KotCzarnyand syslogd
23:19.01KotCzarnyno hurt in installing tcpdump
23:19.02KotCzarny:)
23:19.16KotCzarnyor maybe not.
23:19.20KotCzarnymore deps.
23:19.24KotCzarnyargh.
23:19.58jotthmm.. for me only syslog was missing ...
23:20.07jott"apt-get -f install" worked fine
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23:20.25KotCzarnyi'm thinking about force too
23:20.27KotCzarny;)
23:20.30qwerty12_N800for me, all deps were resolved by app man ;) :p
23:20.40KotCzarnyi want just ftd for now
23:20.44KotCzarny:)
23:21.22jottno -f is --fix-broken not --force ..
23:21.24KotCzarnygood old --force-all
23:21.29KotCzarnygrins.
23:21.54lcukluke --force
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23:22.15qwerty12_N800Kot: evil style?
23:22.40KotCzarny:)
23:23.21KotCzarnyloves info apps
23:23.29qwerty12_N800i cant believe clear option was removed in xterm. svn had it :(
23:25.16KotCzarnylifeguard restarts: esd: 93
23:25.17KotCzarnyhehe
23:26.29qwerty12_N800brb, initfs flash
23:26.46jottKotCzarny: watch the r&t registers :)
23:27.00KotCzarnyyeah
23:27.04KotCzarnyi'm on that page now
23:27.34jottwonder if this app was supposed to go public ;)
23:27.41KotCzarnyjott: nope
23:27.47KotCzarnylook at the section it's in
23:27.49KotCzarny:)
23:28.13KotCzarnyhhmmm
23:28.17KotCzarnythere is backup battery?
23:28.58qwerty12_N800jott, hell no.
23:29.31KotCzarnyhmm
23:29.33jottbut having all this registers documented is a nice touch
23:29.36KotCzarnybattery information page failed
23:29.38qwerty12_N800i'm flash-and-rebooting ;)
23:29.43jottyeah needs new initfs
23:29.47jotti.e. new bme
23:29.47KotCzarnyprobably need bme upgrade
23:29.56qwerty12_N800brb, im flashing that initfs ;)
23:30.02jottqwerty12_N800 will tell us if it works after reboot ;)
23:30.58jottbut bme seems to store alot of information :/
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23:31.17KotCzarnythe more the merrier
23:31.18KotCzarny:)
23:31.33qwerty12_N800that sucks:
23:31.48qwerty12_N800"Flash and remove them? The device will reboot. (y/N)? y"
23:31.50KotCzarnyoverall nice app
23:32.03qwerty12_N800Image too big to fit partition
23:32.13jotthttp://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/m/maemo-mapper-topomaps-fi/maemo-mapper-topomaps-fi_0.10-1_armel.deb lol :)
23:32.13qwerty12_N800off to get fanoush's tools
23:32.14KotCzarnylol
23:33.38KotCzarnyhttp://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/something/
23:33.39KotCzarnyLOL
23:33.47KotCzarnynow that's something
23:33.48KotCzarny;)
23:34.00qwerty12_N800o_0
23:34.19qwerty12_N800diablo kernel  flashed...
23:34.50jottyeah basic auth though :/
23:36.23qwerty12_N800go on jott, you kno u wanna hax :p
23:36.24jottbut they still use "osso-software-version" borkness :(
23:36.47jotthehe l: nokia p: rootme ? ;)
23:36.48GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, yeah, I got that too . . . weird
23:37.14qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, do not flash initfs!
23:37.23qwerty12_N800wait a sec
23:38.33KotCzarnypre-installed-documentation-rx44_5.3_all.deb - 8.4mb
23:38.34qwerty12_N800"Data did not fit into device, due to bad blocks"
23:38.34qwerty12_N800anyone have a chinook original initfs? i desperatly need one
23:38.34qwerty12_N800kernel flashes fine though
23:38.35KotCzarnyo.o
23:39.00KotCzarnyqwerty: maybe you have overused internal flash..
23:39.22KotCzarnyqwerty: i can make you a copy of mine (fanoushed though)
23:39.30qwerty12_N800initfs is clean :/. plus Ga got it too.
23:39.42KotCzarnyhrm
23:39.43qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, please do that
23:40.03KotCzarnykeep in mind that i use ext3 and no usb
23:40.06qwerty12_N800or could you extract it from rx34 file if you have it around?
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23:40.11qwerty12_N800please
23:40.14jottmaybe try to flash the jffs2 directly with the console flasher?
23:40.16KotCzarnyor maybe i have original one somewhere too
23:40.29KotCzarnyjott: that's what fanoush flasher does
23:40.30qwerty12_N800jott, away from comp
23:40.50jottKotCzarny: yeah but not the initfs updater from diablo :)
23:41.49KotCzarnyok, initfs is which mtd?
23:41.55KotCzarny2 or 3 ?
23:42.20qwerty12_N800no idea :(. let me check...
23:42.48KotCzarnymrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/n800-initfs.img.gz
23:42.56GeneralAntillesCan I just flash kernel?
23:43.01KotCzarnyga: yes
23:43.06qwerty12_N800mtd 3
23:43.12GeneralAntillesFrom the Diablo tools.
23:43.15qwerty12_N800ga yes, it works fine
23:43.27qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, thanks
23:43.35GeneralAntillesWhat's the kernel flasher?
23:43.42KotCzarnyqwerty: i think it's the original, ie, before fanoush
23:43.46GeneralAntillesflash-and-reboot does initfs too
23:43.56qwerty12_N800delete initfs image
23:44.16KotCzarnyDownloaded: 662 files, 116M in 24m 3s (82.6 KB/s)
23:44.22GeneralAntillesrighto
23:44.23KotCzarnymirrored too
23:44.25KotCzarny;)
23:44.48qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, slow :p. I downloaded in 10m :p
23:45.01KotCzarnyi have cheapest dsl here :P
23:45.37qwerty12_N800explains your site :p
23:45.52jottGeneralAntilles: there is a fiasco-flasher on the device now...
23:45.53KotCzarnyyup, laptop served
23:46.04qwerty12_N800lol, serious?
23:46.21KotCzarnyqwerty: laptop == pc + ups + low power
23:46.22KotCzarny:)
23:46.44qwerty12_N800hehe :)
23:46.49KotCzarnyand quiet too
23:46.50KotCzarny:)
23:47.02KotCzarnyand portable
23:47.14KotCzarnyand i have all my data gathered in one place
23:47.45GeneralAntillesWeird
23:47.51GeneralAntillesCharging icon isn't animated anymore.
23:48.04jottmh file a bug :)
23:48.09qwerty12_N800regenerate gtk icon cache
23:48.28qwerty12_N800thanks KotCzarny , ur a life saver
23:48.33KotCzarnyqwerty: :)
23:48.49KotCzarnyqwerty: that's what i did when i could
23:48.49qwerty12_N800im now rebooting into new kernel :)
23:48.53KotCzarnybackup :)
23:48.58GeneralAntillesI'll wait, jott. ;)
23:49.05qwerty12_N800thanks again
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23:51.27qwerty12_N800im now running with diablo kernel :9
23:51.36qwerty12_N800s/:9/:)
23:51.39KotCzarnyanything different?
23:52.20qwerty12_N800seems a bit faster. ipv6 may be enabled, checking...
23:52.39GeneralAntillesFaster . . .
23:52.41GeneralAntillesHa
23:52.45GeneralAntillesPlacebo!
23:52.56KotCzarnyyeah, faster because 'clean flash'
23:53.18balrog-kuncan't see much difference between chinook and diablo
23:53.21qwerty12_N800hehe
23:53.21jotthmm i wonder what the new gpsdriver brings
23:53.34KotCzarnyjott: there was changelog posted
23:53.52balrog-kunexcept menus now wrap to the first position when you're on the last entry and press down arrow
23:53.54jottKotCzarny: no need to read the post :)
23:53.58jottjust reading it
23:54.04KotCzarny:)
23:54.06jotterm the changlog within the deb
23:54.17KotCzarnywrapping isn't good..
23:54.21jott<PROTECTED>
23:54.23GeneralAntillesAGPS, apparently
23:54.24jottsounds interesting atleast
23:54.27jottyeah
23:54.33KotCzarnywasn't it disabled?
23:54.38GeneralAntillesbalrog-kun, there isn't much different
23:54.43GeneralAntillesit's a maintenance release
23:54.44KotCzarnyand debug called when something wanted to use it?
23:54.45GeneralAntillesbug fixes
23:54.57balrog-kunKotCzarny: i can get used to it
23:54.58jott<PROTECTED>
23:55.02balrog-kunteh wrapping
23:55.59lcukif a program is added to sudoers do you still need to use sudo to run it?
23:56.05KotCzarnyyes
23:56.30KotCzarnysudoers file is only used with sudo
23:56.33lcukthat makes sense..
23:57.01lcukthat explains why it didnt work when i was playing the last few days
23:57.04KotCzarny:)
23:58.58qwerty12_N800diablo kernel was compiled on Wed Apr 23
23:59.15jottbetter to add stuff to /etc/sudoers.d/appname instead of /etc/sudoers ..
23:59.58jotthm anyone with n810 checked if agps is usable on diablo? :)

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