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| 00:30.07 | tlax | hmm.. forget it.. I think the topic answered allready :P |
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| 00:38.44 | tlax | well.. not really :P |
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| 03:35.23 | Andrewfblack | Hey |
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| 03:36.03 | Andrewfblack | anyone know why I try to flash my kernel I get message flasher: not found |
| 03:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | Did you download the flasher? |
| 03:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
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| 03:46.10 | rm_you | lol GA |
| 03:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | lol urself |
| 03:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, how'd you ponder out mediaserv NAT? |
| 03:48.16 | Navi | woo |
| 03:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | I had it working before all the drives in my G4 died. |
| 03:48.22 | rm_you | heh |
| 03:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | Now I can't get it back. |
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| 03:50.17 | rm_you | just set $ip |
| 03:50.24 | rm_you | somewhere at the top of the script |
| 03:50.34 | EruditeHermit | hey has anyone tried the microb svn posted on ITT? |
| 03:50.49 | Navi | Sure |
| 03:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 03:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, rm_you. :P |
| 03:51.09 | rm_you | :P |
| 03:51.12 | GeneralAntilles | blames his router. |
| 03:51.20 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 03:51.31 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles, Navi: how much better is it? Is it worthwhile switching? |
| 03:51.32 | rm_you | i really liked mediaserv/770encode |
| 03:51.38 | rm_you | and then they started mutating on me |
| 03:51.43 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: do plugins like adblock work? |
| 03:52.06 | Navi | Someone said adblock worked |
| 03:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | Poor rm_you |
| 03:52.22 | GeneralAntilles | adblock is absolute garbage on the tablets |
| 03:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | You end up behind compared to just having the ads due to the insane CPU hit. |
| 03:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | Just use adblocking hosts and css |
| 03:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | tablet-encode has really only gotten better |
| 03:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | so I'm not sure what you could bitch about. :P |
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| 03:54.48 | Navi | EruditeHermit, there are a lot of testimonials on that thread |
| 03:54.59 | Navi | If you're fine with the browser as it is now, just stick with it |
| 03:55.04 | EruditeHermit | Navi: it is unclear about the adblock |
| 03:55.17 | Navi | but if you don't like how unresponsive it is at times, then it might be worth it. |
| 03:55.50 | EruditeHermit | Navi: and also with the scripts on that page I assume it is possible to go back? |
| 03:56.16 | Navi | Yes. Generate packages using timeless's scripts |
| 03:56.28 | Navi | and you can reinstall the original browser |
| 03:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, seriously, drop adblock and go the hosts/css route |
| 03:56.57 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 03:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | AdBlock is garbage on the tablets. |
| 03:57.18 | EruditeHermit | where do you get stuff to edit hosts with? |
| 03:57.24 | EruditeHermit | does anyone have a list of ad sites? |
| 03:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html |
| 03:58.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.floppymoose.com/ |
| 03:58.33 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 03:58.38 | EruditeHermit | thanks guys |
| 03:58.43 | EruditeHermit | I'll try it a little later tonight |
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| 04:03.20 | Andrewfblack | hey do you guys know why if I have personal menu install and select to show under setting it doesn't show but contacts still shows and it isn't selected |
| 04:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | Because you crashed the desktop? |
| 04:04.13 | Andrewfblack | what do I need to do to fix it |
| 04:04.35 | Andrewfblack | btw personal menu has never show since I installed it |
| 04:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | Have you tried restarting? |
| 04:04.54 | Andrewfblack | yes |
| 04:06.41 | Navi | Did you go into panel settings and enable personal menu? |
| 04:06.49 | Andrewfblack | yep |
| 04:07.09 | Navi | latest one |
| 04:07.11 | Navi | ? |
| 04:07.16 | Andrewfblack | should be |
| 04:07.42 | Navi | Latest one is .7-6 |
| 04:07.53 | Navi | -5 had crashing issues |
| 04:09.03 | Andrewfblack | don't know where I got mine from but its still 7-4 |
| 04:09.11 | Andrewfblack | I"ll try 7-6 |
| 04:19.49 | Andrewfblack | nope still not showing |
| 04:22.34 | Andrewfblack | so far only things to kick me in the butt on this thing is personal menu and screen rotation |
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| 04:27.27 | rm_you | lol... screen rotation is cool, but seems very useless to me |
| 04:27.35 | rm_you | with the current layout issues, that is |
| 04:27.37 | rm_you | and theming issues |
| 04:27.51 | KotCzarny | get nuvoclear |
| 04:28.01 | KotCzarny | and make a wallpaper exactly 160x160 |
| 04:28.03 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: we've been over this. it's getting all crufty with that GUI crap ;P |
| 04:28.28 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 04:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | The GUI is 100% optional. :\ |
| 04:28.39 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:28.47 | rm_you | it adds kb :P |
| 04:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | slap rm_you around with rational thinking. |
| 04:29.06 | rm_you | is a CLI elitist for no real reason sometimes |
| 04:29.16 | rm_you | and an irrational one at that :P |
| 04:29.22 | rm_you | its just... fun :) |
| 04:29.39 | KotCzarny | i like cli because of ssh/scripting |
| 04:30.21 | TheNewAndy | I don't buy electronic devices > $200 unless I can ssh into them :) |
| 04:30.29 | Andrewfblack | ok I guess I just wasn't supose to have personal menu |
| 04:31.00 | KotCzarny | andy: how about a fridge? |
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| 04:31.11 | TheNewAndy | rules are rules |
| 04:31.26 | KotCzarny | or vacuum cleaner? |
| 04:31.31 | KotCzarny | or tv? |
| 04:31.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:33.08 | rm_you | I can SSH into my TV sort of :P |
| 04:33.15 | TheNewAndy | Vacuums are cheap (can you ssh into a roomba?) |
| 04:33.22 | rm_you | I mean... it's only ever on the MythTV input :) |
| 04:33.41 | rm_you | If roombas don't run linux.... then someone should make them run linux :P |
| 04:34.15 | rm_you | Also, it *IS* possible to have openssh-server on a fridge! |
| 04:34.22 | rm_you | looks for link |
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| 04:34.43 | KotCzarny | yeah.. *on* |
| 04:34.54 | rm_you | >_> |
| 04:34.59 | rm_you | my friend did it at RIT |
| 04:35.09 | rm_you | the link may be internal only tho |
| 04:35.28 | TheNewAndy | there was an internet fridge made by LG a while ago. I'm sure it could be hacked.... |
| 04:35.29 | TheNewAndy | http://us.lge.com/www/product/refrigerator_demo.html |
| 04:35.39 | rm_you | ... and all it really did is vend soda and snacks... but it WAS basically a refrigerator :P |
| 04:35.42 | KotCzarny | http://farookh.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1F807D7A703B5B1E!999.entry |
| 04:35.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | LG's internet fridge makes me laugh |
| 04:37.34 | GeneralAntilles | Saw it at Best Buy a week ago |
| 04:37.45 | TheNewAndy | it probably seemed like a good idea at the time... to someone. |
| 04:37.46 | Andrewfblack | may I should try and reflash device and try personal menu |
| 04:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | I told my mother she should buy one and stick a lazy boy in front of it to watch DVDs. |
| 04:38.28 | KotCzarny | personal menu is ok, at least it makes that useless contacts icon replaceabla |
| 04:38.52 | Andrewfblack | yeah but I can't get the contacts icon to go away to show personal menu |
| 04:39.20 | KotCzarny | simply select personal menu and deselect contacts in control panel |
| 04:39.34 | Andrewfblack | yeah I did that but did work for me |
| 04:40.12 | n800n | you have to have 3 selected maybe you had 2 |
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| 04:40.27 | TheNewAndy | on the topic of getting rid of the contacts thing, could I just remove it from /etc/hildon-desktop/tasknavigator.conf? |
| 04:40.35 | TheNewAndy | or would that break other stuff |
| 04:40.55 | KotCzarny | you can try |
| 04:40.58 | KotCzarny | but it won't work |
| 04:41.05 | Andrewfblack | I have Personal Menu, Regular Menu, and Web selected I tried to keep contacts and get ride of web still didn't work |
| 04:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | TheNewAndy, you can remove the .desktop |
| 04:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | But there's no point |
| 04:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | Just replace it with Command Manager or Personal Menu |
| 04:43.11 | TheNewAndy | I don't really mind their application menu. I just have no use for the contacts (or bookmarks) menus. |
| 04:44.19 | n800n | i could lose all but personal menu |
| 04:44.42 | Andrewfblack | where can I find comand manager I want to see if I can get it to show |
| 04:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | Until the taskbar becomes dynamic, there'd be no point. |
| 04:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | iz dumbas |
| 04:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://upir.cz/maemo/cmdnav.php |
| 04:45.14 | GeneralAntilles | Command Navigator |
| 04:48.01 | TheNewAndy | I'm puzzled by the tasknavigator.conf files (in /etc and ~/.something). Removing the contacts menu from them does nothing at all. |
| 04:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | There's a minimum of 3 taskbar plugins. |
| 04:49.07 | TheNewAndy | I think I'm starting to see why people like Command Manager or Personal Menu :) |
| 04:49.25 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 04:49.36 | rm_you | hrm |
| 04:49.48 | Andrewfblack | must be a bug for me I can't get command manager to replace contacts either |
| 04:50.07 | KotCzarny | probably you are doing it wrong |
| 04:50.08 | rm_you | never tried command manager. is it neat? i have been kind of wondering why nokia provided me with two entirely useless icons in what should ve very valuable menu real-estate |
| 04:50.22 | KotCzarny | command manager is a early version of personal menu |
| 04:50.23 | KotCzarny | afair |
| 04:50.41 | KotCzarny | *an |
| 04:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | Personal Menu was inspired by Command Navigator |
| 04:51.26 | Navi | Uses part of CM's code, or so I think I've read |
| 04:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, context and perspective. ;) |
| 04:51.40 | Andrewfblack | what can you do wrong with installing it and unclicking contacts and clicking personal menu |
| 04:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, not uses |
| 04:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | Just closely related to. |
| 04:51.53 | n800n | is therea theme that makes fontsize smaller? |
| 04:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, evidently something. |
| 04:52.03 | n800n | a* |
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| 05:06.44 | johnx | darn kids with their 20/20 vision! *shakes fist* |
| 05:08.02 | rm_you | heh |
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| 05:24.49 | tank-man | the future is now, old man! |
| 05:25.03 | johnx | eh? speak up! |
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| 05:40.34 | ds3 | the rtcomm stuff is quite nice |
| 05:43.37 | EruditeHermit | Navi, GeneralAntilles: where on the timeless page do I have to start for making Debs? Is the beginning stuff necessary? |
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| 05:45.25 | Livingroom | sup doods |
| 05:45.42 | johnx | hi |
| 05:45.45 | qwerty12 | wag1 |
| 05:45.59 | qwerty12 | Joke, hi, it's an East London thing :p |
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| 05:46.28 | Livingroom | i c |
| 05:46.29 | Livingroom | yeah |
| 05:46.47 | Livingroom | you english people are weird :P |
| 05:47.01 | Livingroom | you say things like g'day mate and guten tag |
| 05:47.02 | johnx | EruditeHermit, which page is that? |
| 05:47.14 | Livingroom | and that whole CRYKEY business :) |
| 05:47.18 | EruditeHermit | johnx: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 |
| 05:47.22 | Livingroom | i keed, i keed. |
| 05:47.33 | Livingroom | wag1, hmmm |
| 05:47.37 | Livingroom | googles wag1 |
| 05:47.38 | EruditeHermit | johnx: do you know how I can make debs of all the microb stuff |
| 05:47.43 | Livingroom | also, my tablet is so incredibly awesome |
| 05:47.51 | Livingroom | it's more fun than making babies. |
| 05:47.56 | johnx | EruditeHermit, that's what I'm looking at for you. :) |
| 05:49.23 | EruditeHermit | I wish diablo would magically be ready and released |
| 05:49.47 | johnx | EruditeHermit, aaah, all the .debs of the version of microb installed on your tablet |
| 05:50.00 | johnx | ? |
| 05:50.04 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 05:50.35 | johnx | do you have a debian/ubuntu desktop? |
| 05:50.37 | EruditeHermit | johnx: I am trying this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19849 |
| 05:50.41 | johnx | and some spare time? |
| 05:50.43 | EruditeHermit | johnx: yep |
| 05:51.28 | johnx | ok, I haven't tried this for this many packages at once...but it worked for other packages: xomap and osso-xterm |
| 05:51.51 | johnx | basically, I just use sshfs to mount the root fs of my tablet on my debian desktop, then use dpkg-repack |
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| 05:52.36 | johnx | (run dpkg-repack on the desktop that is with --root=/path/to/tablet-sshfs-mount |
| 05:53.45 | EruditeHermit | johnx: how do you mount with sshfs? |
| 05:53.49 | EruditeHermit | do you have an example? |
| 05:54.14 | johnx | install sshfs on your desktop, install openssh-server on your tablet, run: sshfs root@my-tablet:/ /some/mount/point |
| 05:54.25 | johnx | sshfs is like the coolest thing ever :) |
| 05:54.31 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 05:56.01 | EruditeHermit | johnx: I don't think I have root password for my tablet |
| 05:56.12 | EruditeHermit | johnx: I always used sudo gainroot |
| 05:56.16 | johnx | did you install openssh-server on it or dropbear? |
| 05:56.20 | rm_you | you need to set one or else install ssh |
| 05:56.26 | EruditeHermit | johnx: openssh-server |
| 05:56.36 | johnx | didn't it prompt you to pick a password during install? |
| 05:56.45 | EruditeHermit | no |
| 05:57.09 | johnx | uninstall it and reinstall the latest version from downloads.maemo.org "click to install" |
| 05:57.10 | EruditeHermit | I don't think so |
| 05:57.11 | qwerty12 | you can set root password with passwd with sudo gainroot |
| 05:57.18 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 05:57.22 | EruditeHermit | passwd works |
| 05:57.32 | johnx | EruditeHermit, yeah, either way works |
| 05:59.06 | EruditeHermit | maybe it did ask for a root password |
| 05:59.09 | EruditeHermit | but I forgot it |
| 05:59.09 | EruditeHermit | =p |
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| 06:00.00 | johnx | aaah, now the truth comes out :P |
| 06:00.22 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 06:00.35 | EruditeHermit | ok so which packages do I need to repack? |
| 06:00.45 | Livingroom | soooo |
| 06:00.57 | Livingroom | any webcam apps that are cool? maybe ones that upload via ftp or something? |
| 06:01.00 | EruditeHermit | libnspr4 libnss3-certs libnss3 microb-gtkmozembed |
| 06:01.04 | Livingroom | i cant find any to stream or do anything :( |
| 06:01.39 | johnx | EruditeHermit, anything that you plan on replacing |
| 06:02.38 | EruditeHermit | sshfs is pretty cool |
| 06:02.57 | EruditeHermit | I wish the tablets could be mounted by USB |
| 06:03.01 | EruditeHermit | its really slow over the network |
| 06:03.28 | johnx | well, you could use usbnet and sshfs over that |
| 06:03.34 | EruditeHermit | johnx: it built it i386 |
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| 06:04.16 | johnx | what built what i386? |
| 06:04.57 | EruditeHermit | it built my repackaged package as libnspr4_1.0.3-36_i386.deb |
| 06:05.06 | EruditeHermit | instead of armel |
| 06:05.08 | lopz | bye |
| 06:05.47 | johnx | EruditeHermit, you're in scratchbox, yes? what target are you set to? ARMEL or x86? |
| 06:06.09 | EruditeHermit | johnx: oh no I wasn't in scratchbox at all |
| 06:06.09 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 06:06.18 | EruditeHermit | ok I have to do this in scratchbox then |
| 06:06.22 | johnx | oooh |
| 06:06.25 | johnx | in dpkg-repack? |
| 06:06.28 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 06:06.31 | johnx | sorry, got distracted :/ |
| 06:06.40 | johnx | make sure you specify the arch |
| 06:06.49 | johnx | dpkg-repack --help |
| 06:07.22 | EruditeHermit | johnx: so I can do it without of scratchbox? |
| 06:07.49 | EruditeHermit | does it recognize armel? I don't think debian systems have armel |
| 06:07.55 | EruditeHermit | just arm |
| 06:08.14 | johnx | it's just blindly repacking |
| 06:08.32 | johnx | I thought you were talking about packages you *compiled* earlier |
| 06:08.46 | johnx | the only part that ended up i386 on that package it just made is the label |
| 06:08.56 | EruditeHermit | ok |
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| 06:09.16 | johnx | all it does is look at the list of package contents and then put it back together |
| 06:09.35 | EruditeHermit | so this is what I should be doing |
| 06:09.39 | johnx | that's why you get all the complaints about not finding documentation, because docpurge got it |
| 06:09.43 | EruditeHermit | in a normal shell |
| 06:09.48 | johnx | yes, in a normal shell |
| 06:09.49 | EruditeHermit | sudo dpkg-repack --root=/media/cdrom/ --arch=armel libnspr4 |
| 06:10.01 | johnx | dpkg --root=/some/path/to/n800 --arch=armel |
| 06:10.09 | johnx | EruditeHermit, yes |
| 06:10.14 | EruditeHermit | yeah I mounted it at cdrom |
| 06:10.15 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 06:10.19 | johnx | heh |
| 06:10.23 | johnx | shakes his head |
| 06:10.28 | EruditeHermit | its temporary |
| 06:10.40 | EruditeHermit | I don't really use cdroms anyway |
| 06:10.45 | johnx | you'll use sshfs enough that you'll want to keep it :) |
| 06:11.10 | johnx | I have a whole net hierarchy under my $HOME for sshfs mounts |
| 06:11.14 | EruditeHermit | problem with debian and related OSS stuff is that I end up installing every package there is |
| 06:11.18 | EruditeHermit | just to try it out |
| 06:11.18 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 06:11.39 | KotCzarny | i use /mnt/1/ for local subnet and /mnt/2/ for outer mounts |
| 06:11.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:12.18 | johnx | $HOME/<protocol>/<host>/<user>/ |
| 06:12.19 | qwerty12 | I prefer using /media instead because then gnome picks it up too :) |
| 06:12.29 | KotCzarny | i don't use gnome |
| 06:12.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:12.55 | qwerty12 | hehe, you use one of them wierd ones ?:P |
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| 06:13.06 | johnx | I used gnome until last week, but got fed up with it. Using xfce and compiz for now |
| 06:13.07 | KotCzarny | nope, fluxbox and mc |
| 06:13.07 | EruditeHermit | what is usbnet btw? |
| 06:13.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:13.34 | johnx | EruditeHermit, usbnet lets you do IP over the usb connection between your N8x0 and PC |
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| 06:13.42 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, nice :) |
| 06:14.02 | EruditeHermit | johnx: no way! |
| 06:14.15 | EruditeHermit | johnx: how how how? |
| 06:14.34 | johnx | heh, you just load g_ether on the device and ifconfig usb0 |
| 06:14.46 | johnx | there's a fancy GUI tool as well, IIRC |
| 06:15.00 | EruditeHermit | I want |
| 06:15.10 | EruditeHermit | is g_ether a package? |
| 06:15.35 | qwerty12 | a module |
| 06:15.49 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 06:15.54 | EruditeHermit | is it built into the default kernel? |
| 06:15.59 | EruditeHermit | or do I have to reflash the kernel |
| 06:16.06 | qwerty12 | yeah, its included by default afaik |
| 06:16.08 | johnx | it's included somewhere |
| 06:16.21 | qwerty12 | I think it's in /mnt/initfs somewhere |
| 06:16.35 | EruditeHermit | whats the GUI for it? |
| 06:16.57 | EruditeHermit | sshfs is awesome btw |
| 06:17.05 | EruditeHermit | is it a fuse fs? |
| 06:17.12 | qwerty12 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin/ |
| 06:17.15 | johnx | yeah, fuse |
| 06:17.16 | qwerty12 | Is the gui thing |
| 06:19.03 | EruditeHermit | with this, syncing my gpe with evolution will be so much easier |
| 06:19.23 | johnx | you can even use dbus-scripts to set up auto-sync when you plug it in |
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| 06:25.20 | zchydem_work2 | has anyone had maemo sdk installation problems when trying to install from scratch to Kubuntu Hardy 8.04? I have fixed sysctl -problem but now I get errors such as: "/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory" and "/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Operation not permitted" |
| 06:26.33 | zchydem_work2 | .. and I have tried both installation ways i.e. using install script and manual installation |
| 06:26.44 | Livingroom | AARAGH |
| 06:26.59 | Livingroom | i cannot understand why wifi overwrites the edge modem when low signal strength is present !AAAUGHR |
| 06:27.08 | Livingroom | rm -rf /self |
| 06:28.04 | qwerty12 | Goodbye Livingroom |
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| 06:28.25 | Livingroom | its ok, i made a backup of myself |
| 06:28.35 | inz | zchydem, "Operation not permitted" sounds like you're not using fakeroot |
| 06:28.37 | Livingroom | so all that has to happen is that someone logs in, cp -rf /back/self /self |
| 06:28.43 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 06:29.05 | inz | zchydem, and preconfigure missing is not an issue |
| 06:30.16 | zchydem_work2 | inz: do you have a glue how I could fix the problem? |
| 06:30.52 | inz | zchydem, use fakeroot dpkg -i <something> or fakeroot apt-get install <something> |
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| 06:39.57 | EruditeHermit | I wonder how long it would take to repack the entire tablet |
| 06:40.08 | Livingroom | guys i just made a youtube video, uploading it now. it includes the N800 |
| 06:40.55 | qwerty12 | I made a youtube N800 vid once >.<... |
| 06:42.24 | Livingroom | mines cooler! |
| 06:42.26 | Livingroom | :P j/k |
| 06:42.41 | qwerty12 | Probably is :D |
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| 06:43.29 | Livingroom | once it uploads, you all have to tell me what you think. |
| 06:43.43 | EruditeHermit | johnx: what do I need to do on my desktop for USB ethernet? |
| 06:43.56 | scibot | Any chance someone could try milkytracker in a debian armel chroot |
| 06:44.10 | johnx | EruditeHermit, ifconfig usb0 |
| 06:44.14 | johnx | on my way out the door |
| 06:44.17 | scibot | It's in the unstable repository |
| 06:44.25 | EruditeHermit | ok thanks johnx for all the help |
| 06:44.25 | johnx | google maemo usbnet as well |
| 06:44.39 | johnx | sure, 'later |
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| 06:49.46 | hrw | EruditeHermit: http://blog.haerwu.biz/ search for 'usb networking' and you will get information how to make usb0 hotpluggable + NAT |
| 06:55.06 | qwerty12 | Does anyone have: sbox-arm-linux-windres :( |
| 06:55.26 | hrw | sbox suxx |
| 06:55.33 | qwerty12 | Yep :( |
| 06:55.40 | Livingroom | what is sbox? |
| 06:55.50 | qwerty12 | Scratchbox |
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| 06:57.24 | X-Fade_ | Morning. |
| 06:57.51 | qwerty12 | Morning |
| 06:58.16 | EruditeHermit | hey I just installed the usb-otg-plugin and now I can't even connect to the internet with the tablet |
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| 06:59.04 | qwerty12 | I connect fine with it installed :/ |
| 06:59.19 | EruditeHermit | qwerty12: its not even scanning for wifi signals now |
| 06:59.48 | qwerty12 | Give it a restart :/ |
| 06:59.55 | EruditeHermit | I did a few times |
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| 07:00.25 | qwerty12 | I'm not sure then, sorry, I have to go. |
| 07:00.26 | qwerty12 | Bye |
| 07:03.11 | hrw | uniinstall it then and report bug |
| 07:05.32 | rm_you | the otg usb thing messes with mine too |
| 07:05.40 | Livingroom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc |
| 07:05.43 | timely | rm_you: did your menu work? |
| 07:06.06 | rm_you | since i messed with OTG stuff it started popping up "usb device malfunction" messages all the time |
| 07:06.08 | rm_you | or something like that |
| 07:06.26 | rm_you | even with NOTHING plugged in |
| 07:06.50 | rm_you | only way to get it to stop is toggle it back and forth from host/otg, and that is only temporary |
| 07:07.02 | rm_you | not sure if i was using that exact plugin tho |
| 07:09.19 | Livingroom | did you guys watch? |
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| 07:10.42 | hrw | I am not |
| 07:10.50 | hrw | I have 80x25 text console now |
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| 07:16.51 | rm_you | copy/paste and url clicking are broken in silverex's xchat2 port >_> |
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| 07:27.04 | Livingroom | sweet |
| 07:27.17 | Livingroom | my newest video is highly recommended by #debian |
| 07:32.56 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 07:33.11 | EruditeHermit | my networking and USB connecting ability is gone |
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| 08:04.03 | scibot | Um guys... |
| 08:04.12 | scibot | My N800's screen just went Cyan |
| 08:04.25 | KotCzarny | now that's something new |
| 08:04.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:04.32 | Cptnodegard | reboot |
| 08:04.35 | scibot | I did |
| 08:04.48 | scibot | It looks like it's busted. |
| 08:04.51 | Cptnodegard | its borked then |
| 08:05.12 | scibot | It's still booting and the touchscreen still works, but the screen itself is only displaying that one colour. |
| 08:05.13 | KotCzarny | does it still have warranty? |
| 08:05.14 | Cptnodegard | backup shit and try a reflash although its 99% certain a hardware thing |
| 08:05.17 | scibot | I didn't do anything though. |
| 08:05.37 | rm_you | if its under warrantee, send it in |
| 08:05.40 | rm_you | elsewise, open it up |
| 08:05.48 | scibot | Which is weird, it should be under warranty. |
| 08:05.50 | rm_you | prolly just the LCD connector rattled loose |
| 08:06.04 | scibot | ... |
| 08:06.12 | scibot | I just rattled it and it is now working |
| 08:06.19 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:06.23 | rm_you | need to pop that in better |
| 08:06.41 | rm_you | it's in the top right corner... you might just be able to squeeze it |
| 08:06.52 | rm_you | best bet would be pop it open tho |
| 08:07.15 | rm_you | thoughtfix has a video guide |
| 08:07.30 | KotCzarny | but he still has warranty on it |
| 08:07.43 | scibot | Had me worried for a second there, I'll just do a backup now, wait for it to die again and send it in for a fixing. |
| 08:07.43 | rm_you | how much longer? |
| 08:07.59 | rm_you | a warranty is nice... but sending it in so they can click a connector into place is t3h suxx |
| 08:08.57 | scibot | goes to check his receipt. |
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| 08:14.36 | user__op | is there any contact, calendar sync i can do from os2008 to evolution? |
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| 08:24.06 | aquatix | user__op: using the pimlico suite? |
| 08:25.23 | scibot | Is anyone interested in music trackers? Milkytracker is open source, has an armel package in debian and supports 800x480. |
| 08:26.54 | aquatix | hm, that's interesting |
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| 08:27.05 | aquatix | not sure whether i'd use it on my tablet |
| 08:27.10 | aquatix | would be kinda fun though |
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| 08:32.27 | scibot | It works |
| 08:32.49 | scibot | The armel package works for me, just ignoring the dependency issues for now. |
| 08:33.37 | scibot | Hmmm, how do you rightclick though... |
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| 08:34.31 | KotCzarny | press and hold |
| 08:34.42 | scibot | It needs to be hildonised for that though? |
| 08:34.53 | KotCzarny | don't know, just try |
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| 08:38.07 | RST38h | Congress approved the idea to make pennies and nickels of iron |
| 08:39.02 | KotCzarny | irony money? |
| 08:39.37 | RST38h | Yep. |
| 08:39.56 | KotCzarny | btw. why iron, silicon is better |
| 08:40.02 | sxpert | RST38h, what next ? make them out of sea shells ? |
| 08:40.08 | RST38h | cardboard is even better |
| 08:40.16 | KotCzarny | silicon as in virtual money |
| 08:40.17 | sxpert | t's called paper money |
| 08:40.28 | KotCzarny | it's called credit |
| 08:40.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:40.42 | sxpert | KotCzarny, not necessarily |
| 08:40.48 | RST38h | next, they are probably going to abolish pennies and nickels altogether |
| 08:40.53 | sxpert | depends if your accound is positive or not |
| 08:41.03 | KotCzarny | doesn't matter |
| 08:41.08 | RST38h | and send inflation further |
| 08:41.09 | KotCzarny | you can loose your goods |
| 08:41.18 | sxpert | RST38h, next comes the 1000, then 10000 then 100000 then 1M USD bills |
| 08:41.22 | KotCzarny | just because goverment says so |
| 08:41.44 | KotCzarny | *government |
| 08:41.45 | sxpert | then a loaf of bread will go for a 1M USD bill |
| 08:41.52 | KotCzarny | it is already |
| 08:41.54 | KotCzarny | in nigeria |
| 08:42.11 | sxpert | or should I say "privately issued by the FED 1M Dollar note" |
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| 08:42.14 | RST38h | Yea, and they have 300k and 700k USD bills there as well |
| 08:42.33 | sxpert | 300 and 700K ? |
| 08:42.36 | RST38h | Made of high-quality nigerian paper |
| 08:42.39 | sxpert | haha |
| 08:42.54 | KotCzarny | shopped. |
| 08:42.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:42.58 | sxpert | the US ain't too far behind |
| 08:43.25 | sxpert | KotCzarny, in those places, whose to say the notes are legit or not :) |
| 08:43.51 | KotCzarny | m16 says so. |
| 08:43.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:43.52 | aquatix | fires up his colour laser printer |
| 08:44.02 | sxpert | soon, they'll only take gold coins |
| 08:44.16 | aquatix | ooh |
| 08:44.19 | RST38h | little flasks of oil |
| 08:44.23 | aquatix | now that'd be something |
| 08:44.24 | aquatix | RST38h: ha |
| 08:44.29 | sxpert | KotCzarny, that should read AK47... the M16 is waaaay too unreliable |
| 08:44.51 | RST38h | M16 only gets exported to democratic countries |
| 08:45.01 | sxpert | that too |
| 08:45.11 | RST38h | Like Georgia or Azerbaijan you know... |
| 08:45.12 | KotCzarny | ira[nq] is democratic? |
| 08:45.19 | sxpert | the AK47 is much cheaper and much better anyways |
| 08:45.22 | RST38h | Iraq definitely is |
| 08:45.25 | KotCzarny | many m16 went there |
| 08:45.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:45.42 | RST38h | Iran is currently not, but let's wait and see |
| 08:45.55 | sxpert | many didn't come back... still trying to assert the real reason |
| 08:46.16 | sxpert | besides, at this point, I'd rather go to Iran than the US |
| 08:46.17 | KotCzarny | sand is shinier on the other side? |
| 08:46.36 | KotCzarny | iran is also b0rken |
| 08:46.55 | KotCzarny | any state is abomination |
| 08:46.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:47.15 | trickie_ | :) |
| 08:47.22 | KotCzarny | because it's made by people and people are imperfect |
| 08:47.34 | RST38h | sxpert: you don't want to go to Iran, believe me |
| 08:48.13 | sxpert | they'd probably pay heftily for my telecomm skills |
| 08:48.35 | RST38h | they also cut hands and kill by stoning for trivial stuff |
| 08:48.44 | KotCzarny | like watching pr0n |
| 08:48.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:48.54 | sxpert | just make sure you don't do that ;) |
| 08:49.01 | sxpert | and thou shall be safe ;) |
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| 08:49.16 | RST38h | kinda difficult to insure you don't accidentally do something they cut your hand for |
| 08:49.17 | KotCzarny | you can stumble upon it by mistake |
| 08:49.30 | KotCzarny | and then you wake up in a messy situation |
| 08:49.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:49.45 | sxpert | t's called "living withing a foreign culture", something the Bushistan people appear to have problems with |
| 08:49.47 | RST38h | like those bulgarian medics who spent years in prison |
| 08:50.12 | RST38h | sxpert: Actually, this is a bit different |
| 08:50.29 | RST38h | sxpert: It is one thing when foreign culture is more or less benign or if there are clear rules |
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| 08:50.58 | RST38h | sxpert: But living among millions of holy shiites is different |
| 08:51.08 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:51.24 | sxpert | RST38h, somehow the US feel that way too... fart in public and you'll probably end up being roundhouse-kicked by the philly cops as shown on tv recently |
| 08:51.25 | KotCzarny | you either catch up or they will catch you |
| 08:51.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:51.36 | RST38h | sxpert: Not really |
| 08:52.10 | RST38h | sxpert: Although you should abstain from placig yourself in non standard situations - cops (and americans as a whole) are notoriously bad handling these |
| 08:52.25 | KotCzarny | "The \u2018Net is a waste of time, and that's exactly what's right about it." |
| 08:52.25 | KotCzarny | - William Gibson, sci-fi author and coiner of the word "cyberspace" |
| 08:52.51 | KotCzarny | is different |
| 08:52.58 | KotCzarny | and definitely not standard |
| 08:53.10 | RST38h | Kot: But then, you are not completely american, afaik? |
| 08:53.19 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 08:53.24 | KotCzarny | i'm me |
| 08:53.33 | KotCzarny | i live on the 'net |
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| 08:57.11 | aquatix | RST38h: hm, non-standard situations |
| 08:57.19 | KotCzarny | and i still have to decide if a state is a good thing or not |
| 08:57.25 | aquatix | likes to be quite non-standard |
| 08:57.30 | KotCzarny | if people are like body cells in a dinosaur |
| 08:57.40 | aquatix | guess I shouldn't visit the US anytime soon then :) |
| 08:58.20 | KotCzarny | aquatix: visiting isn't bad |
| 08:58.38 | KotCzarny | it's living that can be problematic |
| 08:58.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:58.43 | RST38h | Kot: Actually, the travel is worst ever now |
| 08:59.09 | aquatix | loves living in the Netherlands |
| 08:59.16 | RST38h | Kot: You can't imagine the lines I had to stand in this March. In fact, I couldn't imagine those before I saw them |
| 08:59.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:59.31 | aquatix | people tend to whine on the government, society etc here, but it's not that bad :) |
| 08:59.51 | KotCzarny | auqatix: unless you do something non-standard |
| 08:59.54 | RST38h | US managed to beat USSR at inconviniencing air travel |
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| 09:00.09 | KotCzarny | and then you start gathering papers, documents etc |
| 09:00.19 | KotCzarny | and fighting with stupid laws |
| 09:00.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:00.35 | RST38h | yep, helpful, geniunely interested people suddenly start closing up on you... |
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| 09:01.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:01.19 | KotCzarny | and net filters start watching your data |
| 09:01.45 | jitu3485 | I faced a problem while istalling maemo SDK 4.0.1 chinook |
| 09:01.56 | jitu3485 | complete error report is at URL: http://rafb.net/p/eW0x7773.html |
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| 09:02.09 | jitu3485 | can somebody please help |
| 09:02.25 | KotCzarny | wrong user? |
| 09:03.06 | KotCzarny | try: su - sbox |
| 09:03.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:03.13 | KotCzarny | or su - root |
| 09:03.32 | jitu3485 | ok |
| 09:03.43 | KotCzarny | or read which user you should use at this point |
| 09:03.46 | jitu3485 | but i created the user and user was made |
| 09:03.50 | KotCzarny | should be in install.txt |
| 09:04.04 | KotCzarny | but you are using your default user |
| 09:04.06 | KotCzarny | jitu |
| 09:04.09 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 09:04.16 | jitu3485 | fine thx |
| 09:04.24 | jitu3485 | i am using jitu |
| 09:04.35 | KotCzarny | and you have installed it as sbox, right ? |
| 09:04.44 | jitu3485 | ya i have it |
| 09:06.06 | KotCzarny | http://www.bornrich.org/entry/50-kg-gold-stool-worth-13-million/ |
| 09:06.09 | KotCzarny | hrmpf. |
| 09:06.24 | KotCzarny | at first i though it was about feces |
| 09:06.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:06.31 | aquatix | lol |
| 09:06.36 | rm_you | same <_< |
| 09:06.37 | aquatix | like that bbc article? |
| 09:06.57 | aquatix | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7390109.stm - Great tits cope well with warming |
| 09:07.10 | aquatix | loves tits |
| 09:07.19 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:07.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:09.18 | KotCzarny | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/05/08/1247238.shtml |
| 09:09.19 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 09:09.26 | solmumaha | _berto_: can you give me the url of the latest po? |
| 09:10.52 | aquatix | KotCzarny: yeah, that's just backwards :/ |
| 09:11.19 | KotCzarny | no specs cited though |
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| 09:14.31 | _berto_ | solmumaha: yes |
| 09:14.57 | _berto_ | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/po/vagalume.pot?root=vagalume |
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| 09:24.17 | solmumaha | thanks _berto_, when is the deadline? |
| 09:30.07 | _berto_ | there's no fixed deadline |
| 09:30.15 | _berto_ | i'd like to release on monday or tuesday |
| 09:36.53 | solmumaha | i'll try to get it done by sunday |
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| 09:38.06 | tlax | I'm still having problems installin the maemo-sdk.. installer can't update the repositories |
| 09:39.26 | _berto_ | thx |
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| 09:47.04 | AStorm | hey guys |
| 09:47.31 | AStorm | I've picked up some incompatible version of one efl lib, broke canola |
| 09:47.48 | AStorm | I need to know which repo has the correct version |
| 09:49.13 | AStorm | kulve: apt-get update cries about your pubkey missing |
| 09:49.22 | AStorm | how do I add it? |
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| 09:51.47 | jldiaz | AStorm , lookup kulve name in a public keyserver |
| 09:52.14 | AStorm | but where do I import it? |
| 09:52.21 | AStorm | normal gpg it isn)}t |
| 09:52.27 | jldiaz | do you have already the public key? |
| 09:52.48 | jldiaz | in armored form? |
| 09:52.54 | jldiaz | then, as root: |
| 09:53.05 | kulve | AStorm: jldiaz: my key is on my home page and in some keyserver. But I don't know (remember atm) how to add it to apt.. |
| 09:53.05 | jldiaz | apt-key add public_key.asc |
| 09:53.18 | jldiaz | apt-get update |
| 09:53.19 | kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/pgp.txt |
| 09:54.09 | AStorm | mhm |
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| 09:55.07 | AStorm | hmm, dns error :) |
| 09:55.36 | jldiaz | then use the IP: 194.187.213.45 |
| 09:55.45 | jldiaz | I've got no dns erro |
| 09:55.47 | jldiaz | r |
| 09:55.53 | AStorm | weird |
| 09:57.21 | AStorm | 404 :P |
| 09:57.33 | AStorm | I'd rather get the id |
| 09:58.20 | kulve | IP is a bad idea with with HTTP 1.1 |
| 09:58.29 | kulve | but that url is completely valid |
| 09:59.32 | AStorm | weird that my dns says the hostname is unsolvable |
| 10:00.05 | AStorm | and it does work qll right |
| 10:01.28 | AStorm | drat |
| 10:01.38 | AStorm | this gnupg can't use keyservers |
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| 10:02.14 | AStorm | gah |
| 10:02.19 | AStorm | tpyo |
| 10:03.16 | jldiaz | kulve, I have a problem with UKMP player and ogg. I don't know if the problem is at UKMP or at ogg-support. Did you hear about this? |
| 10:03.35 | jldiaz | the problem is: when the playlist hits an ogg file, UKMP hangs |
| 10:03.47 | jldiaz | The only way of stopping it is via killall -9 |
| 10:04.51 | kulve | jldiaz: I haven't heard about that and unfortunately I don't have a clue if the problem is in UKMP or in ogg-support.. |
| 10:06.28 | jldiaz | ok.. I'm even unsure about how UKMP plays ogg files... perhaps it uses mplayer |
| 10:06.41 | jldiaz | I better report it to konttori |
| 10:06.52 | kulve | I think it uses the Nokia's Media Engine, but I might remember wrong.. |
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| 10:07.10 | kulve | actually I'll take that back. I don't remember |
| 10:07.26 | jldiaz | I guess that the hang occurs while trying to obtain the id3 tags |
| 10:07.53 | jldiaz | and perhaps the problem only appears with *that* specific ogg file. I should do some more testing |
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| 10:30.11 | AStorm | ok, how do I list deps of canola? |
| 10:30.43 | AStorm | ok, got it |
| 10:32.31 | AStorm | have some evas vs eet incompatibility |
| 10:35.28 | AStorm | 1.0.0 vs 0.0.0 |
| 10:39.44 | lardman | Navi: ping |
| 10:42.43 | AStorm | ok, just a missing symlink |
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| 11:00.01 | pyhimys | I have the core dump for battery chargin daemon(?). Any suggestions where or to whom should I send it? |
| 11:00.34 | aquatix | try maemo's bugzilla? |
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| 11:03.29 | RST38h | Anybody planning to make Conky a proper Maemo desktop widget? |
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| 11:09.32 | RST38h | A Swiss government ethics committee has issued guidelines on the thorny issue of the "dignity of plants" in relation to biotech research after the country's 2004 Gene Technology Law declared that "the dignity of creatures" should be considered in any grant-funded research. |
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| 11:36.15 | lcuk_work | does anyone going to linuxtag know if diablo test machines will be around? |
| 11:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like a good possibility, lcuk_work. |
| 11:41.37 | lcuk_work | excellent |
| 11:41.42 | lcuk_work | rubs hands together |
| 11:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | Quim may actually have mentioned something to that end come to think of it. |
| 11:41.49 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:42.00 | aquatix | any news on diablo for n810 btw? |
| 11:42.14 | aquatix | checks the forum |
| 11:42.16 | lcuk_work | dunno, im interested in the cpuscheduler :) |
| 11:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | "news"? "for n810"? |
| 11:42.34 | aquatix | as in: firmware update |
| 11:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | Are we expecting something, new, lcuk_work? |
| 11:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, still don't follow. |
| 11:43.04 | GeneralAntilles | What would be N810 specific? |
| 11:43.34 | lcuk_work | ive heard rumours about some new cpu scheduling code which replaces ondemand slicing and hopefully gives instant upclocking as the task requires it |
| 11:44.10 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: erm, just an OS update? |
| 11:44.22 | aquatix | nothing ground shaking |
| 11:44.59 | aquatix | was just wondering when i could install the n810-wimax' version |
| 11:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the way you phrased it seemed to suggest you wanted to know about something Diablo-related that was specific to the N810. |
| 11:45.11 | aquatix | or am i mistaken and isn't that diablo |
| 11:45.19 | aquatix | i guess i'm in need of some coffee |
| 11:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, Diablo is maemo 4.1 |
| 11:45.23 | lcuk_work | wimax version requires additional hardware doesnt it |
| 11:45.28 | aquatix | lcuk_work: i know |
| 11:45.39 | aquatix | but the wimax tablet had a new version of os2008 |
| 11:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | It just happens to coincide with the release of the N810WE |
| 11:45.52 | lcuk_work | mind you, having under utilised hardware in a NIT is nothing new |
| 11:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | Whenever a Diablo firmware hits, anybody with a console flasher can use it on any OMAP2-based NIT. |
| 11:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | Whether that firmware happens to be for the N800, the N810 or the N810WE |
| 11:47.18 | lcuk_work | then after this updates should be inplace upgrades and shouldnt require flashing :D |
| 11:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | For rootfs stuff, anyway. |
| 11:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure about initfs/kernel/NOLO |
| 11:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | Though I suspect there may be a bit more to SSU than has been mentioned thus far. |
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| 11:51.49 | lcuk_work | right, back to work |
| 11:51.52 | lcuk_work | cyas later |
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| 12:23.26 | unixSnob | Any europeans around here know about contracting in Europe? Is per diem normally paid there? |
| 12:24.25 | mgedmin | european, but not contracting often |
| 12:25.34 | unixSnob | I might be getting a job in Brussels (but I'm open to anywhere).. I hear the tax rate is 50% (about twice that of the US) |
| 12:25.56 | unixSnob | So I'm trying to come up with ways to offset that |
| 12:26.25 | Blafasel | Tax at about 50% is correct for Germany. |
| 12:27.02 | mgedmin | here in Lithuania tax is about 28%, but the employer also has to pay a tax like that |
| 12:27.10 | mgedmin | in the end you get about half of what the employer spends |
| 12:27.16 | mgedmin | (a bit more than a half now) |
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| 12:27.44 | Blafasel | Yeah, similar here: After all taxes/reductions you end up with roughly 55-60% |
| 12:27.45 | mgedmin | but the official salary in your employment contract is that intermediate value (+28% of what you get) |
| 12:29.06 | unixSnob | Blafasel: it was a German I heard that from, btw, and thought that was common throughout europe |
| 12:30.04 | Blafasel | What's common? |
| 12:30.26 | unixSnob | Blafasel: high tax |
| 12:31.14 | Blafasel | Ah. No idea, cannot compare it to something other than switzerland (which is a lot lower, but payed in a different way etc.) |
| 12:31.37 | mgedmin | thinks the thing that matters is what you actually get after the tax |
| 12:31.41 | mgedmin | and the cost of living |
| 12:31.42 | unixSnob | The euro is worth ~1.5 USD, but according to a German I know, once you account for higher cost of living and overhead, earning 1 euro is like earning one USD |
| 12:32.07 | mgedmin | also, hardware is more expensive in europe than in the US |
| 12:32.19 | mgedmin | it was so even when USD was worth more than a EUR |
| 12:32.28 | unixSnob | mgedmin: yeah, that's what I've heard. I would bring my own h/w |
| 12:32.42 | X-Fade_ | unixSnob: And we pay about $8 a galon of petrol ;) So don't complain too much.. |
| 12:33.15 | unixSnob | X-Fade_: yeah, I know about that.. and I keep hearing americans complain about fuel cost xD |
| 12:33.39 | unixSnob | Personally I make sure I live a mile or less from work - problem solved |
| 12:33.41 | Blafasel | So don't bring your own SUV ;) |
| 12:33.56 | X-Fade_ | unixSnob: But we also have all kinds of deductables. So you don't actaully pay the full 50% etc.. |
| 12:34.01 | trickie_ | public transport is usually better in euro also |
| 12:34.23 | Blafasel | X-Fade_: Depends. Some guys (..) are to ignorant to bother themselves with stuff like that ;) |
| 12:34.25 | jaska | about 8.4usd/gallon iirc. here :) |
| 12:34.30 | unixSnob | X-Fade_: that's what i'm interested in finding out. What things can I deduct.. education? |
| 12:34.43 | Veggen | unixSnob: education is free. |
| 12:34.49 | unixSnob | jaska: how do you figure |
| 12:34.57 | unixSnob | Veggen: damn, so I can't write it off |
| 12:34.59 | Veggen | On public universities and colleges. |
| 12:35.06 | jaska | something around 1.44eur/litre |
| 12:35.08 | X-Fade_ | unixSnob: And if you come to a hospital, we don't ask first: "How are you going to pay for this" :) |
| 12:35.12 | Veggen | (at least in Norway) |
| 12:35.15 | unixSnob | probably not free for foreigners though |
| 12:35.18 | jaska | cba to walk to the gas station and check :) |
| 12:35.38 | unixSnob | X-Fade_: damn.. another thing I can't write off |
| 12:35.45 | Veggen | unixSnob: hmm, probably not. Never thougt about that. |
| 12:35.49 | Blafasel | X-Fade_: Rather "Give us your insurance card or go away". Way better.. ;) |
| 12:35.59 | RST38h | unixSnob: effective US tax rates are usually around 35%, not twice lower than 50% |
| 12:36.26 | X-Fade_ | Blafasel: Well, if they find you injured next to the road without any papers, they will help you anyway :) |
| 12:36.45 | unixSnob | RST38h: is that accounting for sales tax? |
| 12:37.10 | RST38h | XFade: So, if I get sick while in Europe, should I crawl to the nearest road and wait for a truck to jump under? =) |
| 12:37.16 | Blafasel | unixSnob: Deductable stuff: Stuff like books for your work, relocation (work-related) are examples |
| 12:37.20 | RST38h | unixSnob: account state and county taxes |
| 12:37.28 | unixSnob | ah |
| 12:37.39 | X-Fade_ | unixSnob: And it all depends on what you earn. A part of your salary is taxed via a lower rate, middle rate and high rate.. |
| 12:38.06 | unixSnob | well, I might be earning around 450 euros/day |
| 12:38.28 | unixSnob | which roughly translates into 90 USD/hr (7.5 hr day) |
| 12:38.56 | aquatix | RST38h: just go to the nearest hospital |
| 12:39.01 | unixSnob | I was kind of excited when the recruiter told me that.. but the German I know said it will be like making 60 USD/hr |
| 12:39.03 | aquatix | they'll help you anyway |
| 12:39.08 | Blafasel | Wah? Give me the address, I'll take care of the job |
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| 12:39.26 | X-Fade_ | There are usually all kinds of tax limits. So for example, you get taxed 20% over the first 20000 and 35% over the next 20000 and the rest is taxed at high rate.. |
| 12:39.49 | unixSnob | X-Fade_: income tax is tiered in the same way in the US |
| 12:39.55 | trickie_ | it can also depend on your visa or work permit |
| 12:39.57 | aquatix | unixSnob: whoa, that's free-lance or something? |
| 12:40.08 | X-Fade_ | unixSnob: Yeah, so the 50% isn't actually 50% over the total amount.. |
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| 12:40.21 | unixSnob | aquatix: kind of. I may still be on a payroll, but that's zero benefits |
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| 12:40.32 | aquatix | wow, nice tariff :) |
| 12:40.34 | unixSnob | aquatix: it would be contracting through an agency |
| 12:40.46 | aquatix | so you'll be paying them too? |
| 12:40.59 | Blafasel | unixSnob: No idea what you're taking as a reference, but that's twice of my wage.. |
| 12:41.00 | unixSnob | aquatix: i hope not |
| 12:41.10 | RST38h | pays 13% flat tax rate |
| 12:41.12 | trickie_ | unixSnob: they probably will take a cut |
| 12:41.14 | aquatix | tries to calculate his hour fee |
| 12:41.33 | trickie_ | alot of agencies (at least in .nl) work like that |
| 12:41.33 | unixSnob | trickie_, thanks for the tip, I |
| 12:41.37 | Veggen | trickie: And you'll probably have to cover your sick days yourself. |
| 12:41.38 | unixSnob | 'll have to confirm that |
| 12:41.54 | unixSnob | In the US, I don't even know what the agency gets. |
| 12:41.54 | trickie_ | Veggen: yes, and probably no holidays or holiday pay etc |
| 12:41.54 | Veggen | trickie: and pension. |
| 12:41.56 | florian | RST38h: Where is this? |
| 12:42.01 | RST38h | florian: Russia |
| 12:42.10 | aquatix | about 17.43 euro i guess, and then i still have to pay taxes |
| 12:42.40 | florian | RST38h: That's nice because it is simple... |
| 12:42.42 | Blafasel | aquatix: 450day/20 days a month: 9000/month |
| 12:42.51 | Blafasel | Scratch that, that's three times my wage |
| 12:42.59 | RST38h | florian: gets very complicated once you register yourself as a business though |
| 12:43.01 | aquatix | Blafasel: whoa :) |
| 12:43.04 | aquatix | indeed is |
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| 12:43.22 | aquatix | makes about 2650 euro/month, 38 hours a week |
| 12:43.22 | RST38h | florian: but as long as it is a paycheck, 13%, period. |
| 12:43.25 | X-Fade_ | Blafasel: But with taxes, insurance etc, he will end up with about 40% :) |
| 12:43.32 | unixSnob | The recruiter told me I'll have to take care of my own healthcare, so I guess the socialized healthcare doesn't apply to foreigners.. hopefully that's deductible |
| 12:43.34 | Blafasel | unixSnob: No idea what you are used to, but with 9000/month I'd feel like a king (being single) |
| 12:43.44 | aquatix | X-Fade_: still :) |
| 12:43.46 | florian | RST38h: Yeah... I heared some rumours that starting a business in Russia is a major pain. |
| 12:43.51 | Blafasel | unixSnob: I'm living very comfortable with one third. |
| 12:44.00 | jaska | lots of officials to bribe?:P |
| 12:44.16 | RST38h | jaska: yep. + official taxes adding up to something like 50-60% |
| 12:44.23 | jaska | ouch |
| 12:44.28 | unixSnob | Blafasel: I figured it would be comfortable living |
| 12:44.32 | RST38h | + the documentation requirements that change monthly |
| 12:45.02 | trickie_ | unixSnob: the helathcare stuff really depends on which country you go to |
| 12:45.06 | Veggen | I have around 5500 euro per month, plus overtime. but that covers pension and vacation and stuff too. |
| 12:45.10 | Blafasel | unixSnob: 3333/month, truckload of hardware in my flat (eeePC, N810, pre-ordered a OpenMoko phone) and an expensive GF |
| 12:45.21 | unixSnob | trickie_, at the moment, looks like brussels |
| 12:45.32 | Blafasel | You can either buy even more hardware or keep ~8 GFs ;) |
| 12:45.38 | RST38h | Blafasel: [state-of-factly] this is not a truckload of hardware, just a really small purse =) |
| 12:45.47 | unixSnob | lol.. how expensive is the GF :) |
| 12:45.49 | Veggen | ergh...I meant "work covers pension and vacation and stuff.." |
| 12:45.57 | Blafasel | RST38h: Correct, and only the latest stuff/the channel related ;) |
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| 12:46.00 | aquatix | unixSnob: i pay about 90 euro/month for basic healthcare insurance |
| 12:46.05 | aquatix | maybe a few euros less |
| 12:46.16 | aquatix | with `basic' meaning `quite good' |
| 12:46.17 | trickie_ | about the same also |
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| 12:46.36 | X-Fade_ | aquatix: Don't forget what your employer pays.. |
| 12:46.45 | Veggen | it's around 3000 euro after taxes, easily 4000 with a little bit of overtime. |
| 12:46.49 | unixSnob | aquatix: that's cheap healthcare.. is that subsidized by your employer? |
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| 12:46.49 | florian | unixSnob: Judging the location that would be a good choice. |
| 12:47.03 | aquatix | X-Fade_: i paid that even when i was unemployed |
| 12:47.16 | aquatix | aka student |
| 12:47.18 | trickie_ | aquatix: you are in .nl yes? |
| 12:47.20 | Blafasel | Veggen: Still, great/nice |
| 12:47.22 | aquatix | yeah |
| 12:47.31 | X-Fade_ | aquatix: It is a percentage of your income now? |
| 12:47.37 | trickie_ | i think it is subsidised by the state somewhat |
| 12:47.37 | florian | aquatix: That's really cheap... in Germany its much more. |
| 12:47.39 | aquatix | X-Fade_: nope |
| 12:47.40 | unixSnob | florian: cool, I'm really hoping the belgium gig comes through, because naturalization is only 3 yrs there |
| 12:47.49 | aquatix | florian: only basic coverage |
| 12:47.56 | aquatix | you can go wild if you want ;) |
| 12:48.08 | trickie_ | enough to get treated at a hospital :) |
| 12:48.11 | aquatix | too bad there aren't english pages with the coverage |
| 12:48.23 | derf | €90/month for basic coverage for someone healthy and college age sounds pretty comparable with US prices. |
| 12:48.24 | Veggen | Blafasel: actually, without a car and without a gf (hey, I'm a nerd, and nerd girls are hard to find), it's pretty much. |
| 12:48.56 | Blafasel | unixSnob: hrhr.. Just found some new poster here (switzerland, at a customer): An image where some hands (some intentionally black/brown) grab passports from a stack of swiss ones.. |
| 12:49.01 | Blafasel | With a fat "STOP" below it. |
| 12:49.18 | RST38h | Blafasel: Evil! |
| 12:49.20 | unixSnob | lol.. damn |
| 12:49.22 | aquatix | lol |
| 12:49.24 | Blafasel | They are really crazy here regarding "naturalization" |
| 12:49.33 | florian | aquatix: still cheap... but the system here is incredibly complex |
| 12:49.45 | unixSnob | yeah, I applied for a Swiss job.. was told they don't want americans |
| 12:49.48 | RST38h | Blafasel: has it come to blaming the Jews already or are we still some way off? |
| 12:50.05 | aquatix | florian: here too nowadays :/ |
| 12:50.12 | trickie_ | unixSnob: hows your french/flemish? |
| 12:50.20 | Blafasel | They just issued a new bill: If you marry a swiss girl and the marriage didn't last min 3 years they took your passport away again.. Now it's 7 years, iirc |
| 12:50.22 | unixSnob | even though the Swiss are not in the EU, they have some agreements that makes it so EU workers can go there |
| 12:50.40 | unixSnob | trickie_, 1 yr french in middle school.. ie. not good |
| 12:50.45 | RST38h | Blafasel: US has the same law |
| 12:51.03 | RST38h | Blafasel: Conditional green card - you have to update it 2 years after issuance |
| 12:51.13 | Blafasel | RST38h: That'll never happen. A lot of rich/powerful/wealthy guys here are jews, and there are generally lots of them. I work for a company from Tel Aviv, I should know about it ;) |
| 12:51.22 | florian | unixSnob: heh... Swiss is _different_. But they are known to pay very well. |
| 12:51.29 | RST38h | Blafasel: Yes, but it was the same in 1930 =) |
| 12:51.42 | Blafasel | Right. They payvery nice wages here.. |
| 12:51.43 | unixSnob | There's /a lot/ of marriage fraud to get citizenship, so I'm not surprized |
| 12:51.50 | aquatix | except that in the 30's the economy didn't do so well |
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| 12:52.08 | aquatix | and people where pointed to blame it on certain people |
| 12:52.27 | unixSnob | florian: I figure the way to get is to get belgian citizenship (3 yrs), then I can work in Switzerland |
| 12:52.36 | Blafasel | ;) |
| 12:52.43 | Blafasel | Country hoppping |
| 12:52.59 | unixSnob | s/is/in |
| 12:53.02 | aquatix | unixSnob: get a dutch citizenship :) |
| 12:53.08 | aquatix | the netherlands is way more fun ;) |
| 12:53.19 | aquatix | Belgium has better beer though |
| 12:53.21 | trickie_ | aquatix: but then he must give up US citizenship |
| 12:53.31 | florian | unixSnob: sounds like a plan :) |
| 12:53.32 | unixSnob | well, w/ a belgian citizenship, I can get into the netherlands to work / live, no? |
| 12:53.34 | Blafasel | The beer question is a hard one.. ;) I'd go for the netherlands |
| 12:53.51 | unixSnob | I heard the netherlands are getting conservative |
| 12:54.01 | Veggen | hmm. I actually never went to netherlands, even though the organization in project I participated has its headquarters in Amsterdam. |
| 12:54.04 | aquatix | the government sucks... |
| 12:54.09 | florian | unixSnob: They have a lot of foreigners working there - a lot of Germans from the south e.g. |
| 12:54.10 | Blafasel | You might feel at home there. Some political acticities (against the islam) are probably just like home ;) |
| 12:54.16 | Veggen | (ok, I've been to the airport, but that doesn't count ;) |
| 12:54.28 | trickie_ | amsterdam is an awesome place to live |
| 12:54.31 | aquatix | Veggen: :) |
| 12:54.41 | aquatix | studies in amsterdam |
| 12:54.51 | aquatix | great city indeed |
| 12:55.20 | unixSnob | when I traveled to amsterdam, my first thought was 'i could live here easily' |
| 12:55.39 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:55.41 | unixSnob | my kind of government |
| 12:55.43 | Blafasel | Sure. Smoking, chilling ;) |
| 12:55.54 | Veggen | We had meetings in Paris, Barcelona, Prague, Milan, Luxembourg and Athens, though. But never Amsterdam. |
| 12:55.55 | aquatix | except that the rent will be like, half of your salary? ;) |
| 12:56.26 | unixSnob | Veggen: they trying to keep you guys clean for the drug tests? |
| 12:57.13 | aquatix | like everyone is stoned here ;) |
| 12:57.30 | BugBlauw | in amsterdam propably |
| 12:57.34 | X-Fade_ | aquatix: Only tourists :) |
| 12:57.35 | aquatix | BugBlauw: :P |
| 12:57.37 | BugBlauw | but that's from passive smoking |
| 12:57.38 | unixSnob | aquatix: everyone who is there, but not from there |
| 12:57.47 | aquatix | unixSnob: true |
| 12:57.55 | Veggen | unixSnob: don't work there any more. Unfortunately. It was half-governement, and the number of employees was publically decided, and there's rules about not using temporary workers for more than a year. So after having done part-time work throughout my studies and a year as a contractor, there wasn't job for me. |
| 12:58.12 | aquatix | smoking pot, buying expensive cheese souvenirs and visiting the red light district |
| 12:58.29 | aquatix | tourists are weird ;) |
| 12:58.46 | unixSnob | peeing in the streets |
| 12:58.53 | Veggen | (except that they did hire me in as a part-time consultant for the duration of the rest of the project period, from the consultant company I went to) |
| 12:58.55 | aquatix | yeah, stupid brits :P |
| 12:58.58 | BugBlue | that's not weird unixSnob |
| 12:59.08 | unixSnob | lol.. right, that's normal |
| 12:59.26 | aquatix | except that it costs you 70 euro iirc |
| 12:59.27 | unixSnob | "weird" is based on where you are I suppose |
| 12:59.47 | aquatix | problem is, when you've been in amsterdam, nothing is really `weird' anymore :) |
| 13:00.02 | aquatix | except things like orthodox christians and such, maybe |
| 13:00.19 | unixSnob | aquatix: I used that street urinal.. had to get the full experience :) didn't have to pay 70 euro |
| 13:00.20 | Blafasel | aquatix: Scratch the cheese ;) |
| 13:00.31 | aquatix | unixSnob: ah, like that |
| 13:00.33 | BugBlue | aquatix: EUR 90 http://www.om.nl/boetebase/overig/wildplassen/ |
| 13:00.45 | BugBlue | ohw and it's not forbidden everywhere |
| 13:00.47 | aquatix | unixSnob: i was referring to peeing against anything else |
| 13:00.50 | BugBlue | normally only inside cities |
| 13:00.53 | unixSnob | ah |
| 13:00.59 | aquatix | BugBlue: ah, check |
| 13:01.44 | aquatix | Blafasel: the cheese is only to show the people at home they didn't spend the whole time stoned ;) |
| 13:01.48 | BugBlue | sitting in front of a building with appantly no reason: 60 euro |
| 13:01.56 | aquatix | BugBlue: ? |
| 13:01.57 | Blafasel | aquatix: (and in the red light district) |
| 13:02.27 | unixSnob | loitering? I thought only the US had those laws |
| 13:02.53 | BugBlue | taking a shoppingcart to far from a shop: eur 60 ... |
| 13:02.56 | aquatix | BugBlue: hm, only if there's a `Plaatselijke Verordening' |
| 13:03.02 | BugBlue | we have a couple of nice onces |
| 13:03.12 | BugBlue | yeah... it has to be in specific areass |
| 13:03.25 | BugBlue | different per city |
| 13:03.41 | BugBlue | and very difficult to find where it's not allowed (since they don't announce them an signs mostly) |
| 13:03.42 | aquatix | never seen police give tickets like that |
| 13:03.52 | aquatix | BugBlue: they don't? |
| 13:04.01 | aquatix | i just wanted to say they did :/ |
| 13:04.02 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:04.13 | unixSnob | I found out Brazil is definately not the place to work.. programmers make 6 brazilian dollars/hr |
| 13:04.13 | BugBlue | sometimes... |
| 13:04.50 | unixSnob | which is less than US min wage |
| 13:04.58 | Blafasel | unixSnob: Depends. If you get a new house for 14 brazilian dollars it might be a good deal ;) |
| 13:05.00 | derf | Brazil uses reais, not dollars. |
| 13:05.06 | aquatix | unixSnob: they have great parties though ;) |
| 13:05.10 | trickie_ | its difficult to setup when you first move here, but once you get the paperwork sorted it is cool |
| 13:05.20 | unixSnob | aquatix: raves? |
| 13:05.26 | aquatix | erm |
| 13:05.30 | aquatix | dunno :) |
| 13:05.33 | Blafasel | carneval |
| 13:05.35 | Blafasel | +) |
| 13:05.38 | aquatix | brazilian parties ;) |
| 13:05.56 | aquatix | i guess they'll have raves too, but they'll prefer other kinds |
| 13:06.16 | RST38h | indt is in brazil, right? |
| 13:06.25 | lsobral | yes |
| 13:06.27 | unixSnob | I figure the way to go is get a US or EU contract, go to brazil, and hire a team of locals to do your work for you |
| 13:06.40 | aquatix | had some great cocktails, made on a party by a brazilian girl |
| 13:06.49 | aquatix | unixSnob: *g* |
| 13:06.56 | unixSnob | I could pay 10 brazilians to do my job, and pocket the other half |
| 13:07.31 | aquatix | makes for a big enough team to do some LAN gaming after office hours too ;) |
| 13:08.32 | unixSnob | yeah.. could even pay them to be entertained for 1 day/week for employee morale :) |
| 13:08.41 | kenne | RST38h, yes, in Recife, northeast brazil |
| 13:09.03 | kenne | also elsewhere :-) but it is in recife we do canola |
| 13:09.21 | RST38h | unixSnob: you will then have to redo the job + explain to locals why their job wasn't good enough |
| 13:09.29 | RST38h | The usual outsourcing routine |
| 13:09.38 | aquatix | yeah |
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| 13:11.04 | unixSnob | yeah, I have some idea of products outsourced to india.. I've had to use some of those tools |
| 13:12.29 | unixSnob | From what I understand, you can't give any kind of creative license to outsourced projects.. every detail must appear in requirements |
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| 13:13.02 | aquatix | unixSnob: indeed |
| 13:13.25 | aquatix | so it's only usefull for certain projects i guess |
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| 13:13.40 | aquatix | rather not outsources |
| 13:13.50 | aquatix | +correct english |
| 13:13.54 | Blafasel | It is, for very simple things. |
| 13:14.00 | Blafasel | Like in our cases: Data entry |
| 13:14.04 | aquatix | yeah |
| 13:14.05 | RST38h | unixSnob: And even when every detail does appear, they will find a way to interpret it wrong |
| 13:14.11 | lopz | morning |
| 13:14.16 | aquatix | and when you have nice specs for some software modules |
| 13:14.17 | unixSnob | What blows me away is that as little as indian programmers earn, they getting 22 times the per capita income in india |
| 13:14.26 | RST38h | web apps, business logic, web sites <-- more or less suitable for outsourcing |
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| 13:14.41 | aquatix | unixSnob: cost of living isn't that high too |
| 13:14.52 | RST38h | unixSnob: there is a LOT of "capitas" there |
| 13:15.00 | trickie_ | RST38h: until the first site comes back and you have to remake it |
| 13:15.05 | aquatix | RST38h: if you're willing to cope with non-maintainable business logic and sites, yes ;) |
| 13:15.09 | RST38h | trickle: yep. |
| 13:15.19 | RST38h | aquatix: true |
| 13:15.38 | RST38h | Well, you can outsource to Eastern Europe - the results will be more manageable, but it is much more expensive |
| 13:15.56 | RST38h | Almost like doing it in-house, basically |
| 13:16.02 | unixSnob | Some Indians have the right idea: come to the US, work for a year, take savings back to India and take 2yr vacation |
| 13:17.56 | aquatix | RST38h: my previous employer has an office in hungary |
| 13:18.13 | aquatix | was about half what dutch employees earn |
| 13:18.24 | aquatix | but about the same qualiry |
| 13:18.27 | aquatix | *t |
| 13:18.34 | aquatix | and you don't have a huge time difference |
| 13:18.44 | aquatix | unixSnob: :) |
| 13:18.54 | trickie_ | we have an office in romania and they get paid much much less than us here |
| 13:18.59 | RST38h | aquatix: it is still 3-5 times more than you pay to an indian |
| 13:19.22 | aquatix | true, but the quality of the product is way better |
| 13:19.30 | aquatix | so you don't have to rewrite it 6x |
| 13:19.31 | RST38h | in Moscow outsourcers earn $1500..$4000/mo |
| 13:20.28 | RST38h | but the clients are charged 1.3-2 times that |
| 13:20.34 | aquatix | of course |
| 13:20.50 | unixSnob | There was a bet between a couple of millionaires about whether Russia would get more outsourcing work than India |
| 13:20.57 | unixSnob | wonders what the outcome was |
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| 13:21.13 | RST38h | unix: Eventually it may |
| 13:21.14 | aquatix | previous company where a bunch of cheapskates; charging 70 euro/hour for my work and only paying me about 10.50 |
| 13:21.25 | RST38h | but there is the rest of eastern europe to compete with |
| 13:21.31 | aquatix | they have to pay management from it too, but still |
| 13:21.43 | unixSnob | RST38h: yeah, I recall it was a matter of time.. like 2012 or something |
| 13:21.44 | RST38h | that is an awful lot of management |
| 13:21.51 | aquatix | it isn't |
| 13:21.58 | aquatix | so they made a lot of profit on me |
| 13:22.02 | aquatix | oh well |
| 13:22.04 | derf | Typical overhead rates are 2.4 to 2.5x. |
| 13:22.08 | RST38h | unix: more and more people start recognizing that india/china just don't produce quality results |
| 13:22.13 | aquatix | i'm now government employed ;) |
| 13:22.56 | unixSnob | wonders why quality varies so much |
| 13:23.00 | RST38h | unix: on the other hand, with USD falling through the floor, US may end up competing with Russia for software markets ;) |
| 13:23.11 | unixSnob | right |
| 13:23.33 | aquatix | RST38h: i heard stories of US companies outsourcing to india, who outsourced to another company in india, which outsourced to one in the US |
| 13:23.35 | RST38h | unix: different education. Chinese are not taught to think (and their management knows and admits it) |
| 13:23.57 | RST38h | unix: I have no idea what the issue with Indians is (have not worke with them much), but apparently there is some issue |
| 13:24.04 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah |
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| 13:24.11 | aquatix | and language barrier too |
| 13:24.17 | aquatix | and maybe poor IT education |
| 13:24.52 | aquatix | i just heard that you shouldn't expect much creativity from them with regards to IT projects |
| 13:24.56 | unixSnob | well, I don't believe there's a technical defiency. It seems to be a creativity issue |
| 13:24.58 | RST38h | unix: East Europeans have the same or better education systems as the West (although at least the Russian education system is becoming much worse over the years) |
| 13:25.03 | aquatix | just give spec, type code |
| 13:25.22 | RST38h | aquatix: Indians have no language barrier. |
| 13:25.41 | aquatix | hm, their english is a lot better indeed |
| 13:25.54 | RST38h | unix: It is not creativity, it is inability to think |
| 13:26.03 | aquatix | still, what you see on certain programming forums ;) |
| 13:26.16 | RST38h | It is like the MCSE problem recently discussed in somebody's blog on Maemo |
| 13:26.20 | aquatix | RST38h: heh, indeed |
| 13:26.40 | aquatix | if the US continues, we can start outsourcing to them too ;) |
| 13:26.42 | RST38h | They know how to do certain things but can't infer the rest |
| 13:26.54 | aquatix | thinks too much |
| 13:27.07 | RST38h | aquatix: the scary part is that at this inflation rate we only have to wait 2-3 years for that |
| 13:27.10 | aquatix | and i'm procrastinating from my work |
| 13:27.18 | aquatix | RST38h: true |
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| 13:27.34 | aquatix | i'll be buying my next internet tablet in the US too ;) |
| 13:27.41 | aquatix | for 75 euro or something ;) |
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| 13:28.05 | aquatix | if i had waited 2 weeks, i would've been even cheaper |
| 13:28.07 | Blafasel | aquatix: I bought mine from NYC |
| 13:28.18 | Blafasel | Saved about 100 Euros.. |
| 13:28.21 | aquatix | now i only paid 330 euro for an n810, a 4GB minisd and shippnig |
| 13:28.33 | aquatix | and then 20 euro for a darn nokia charger |
| 13:28.34 | unixSnob | I paid 190 USD for the n800 |
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| 13:29.03 | aquatix | unixSnob: i think my n810 was still $430 or something back then |
| 13:29.03 | unixSnob | aquatix: you got ripped on the charger |
| 13:29.07 | aquatix | unixSnob: i know |
| 13:29.12 | aquatix | unixSnob: but i needed it fast |
| 13:29.19 | aquatix | could've ordered it for about 10 |
| 13:29.37 | aquatix | but i was leaving for FOSDEM and wanted my n810 with me ;) |
| 13:29.39 | unixSnob | aquatix: actually, 6 USD, which is 4 euro |
| 13:29.55 | aquatix | unixSnob: ah :) |
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| 13:30.05 | unixSnob | dealextreme is the site I think |
| 13:30.06 | aquatix | genuine nokia version? |
| 13:30.10 | aquatix | ah yes |
| 13:30.20 | aquatix | bought 2 microsd->minisd adapters for 2 euro there |
| 13:30.25 | aquatix | great site |
| 13:30.29 | glass | dealextreme rocks |
| 13:30.32 | glass | for small cheap stuff |
| 13:30.46 | unixSnob | yeah, they have a good universal adapter that works on the NIT |
| 13:31.05 | RST38h | Windows XP SP3 sends PCs into endless reboot |
| 13:31.16 | RST38h | Why have I expected that? |
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| 13:31.31 | glass | RST38h: under what conditions? |
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| 13:31.47 | aquatix | RST38h: heh, mickeysoft ftw |
| 13:32.08 | unixSnob | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7087 <= that one works on the NIT |
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| 13:32.34 | aquatix | that one is huge :) |
| 13:32.35 | RST38h | glass: Who knows...All they are saying is that it is no longer available from ms update |
| 13:32.50 | aquatix | interesting though |
| 13:32.58 | Blafasel | RST38h: English link? |
| 13:33.17 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ |
| 13:33.19 | RST38h | Enjoy |
| 13:33.35 | Blafasel | Thanks |
| 13:33.52 | aquatix | unixSnob: meh, outdated sony ericsson connector |
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| 13:34.02 | aquatix | otherwise it'd be interesting for me |
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| 13:35.24 | aquatix | RST38h: i speaks volumes that microsoft can't even get an update straight with their extensive `quality control' |
| 13:35.37 | aquatix | sticks with apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:40.30 | AStorm | sticks with emerge --sync && emerge -vuDaN world |
| 13:40.37 | aquatix | :) |
| 13:40.54 | unixSnob | gets kicked out of forums for discussing MS quality control |
| 13:40.57 | aquatix | prefers not to waste his 1337 cpu on compiling ;) |
| 13:41.03 | aquatix | unixSnob: heh |
| 13:41.22 | unixSnob | MS QA is a very touchy subject for 95% of the population |
| 13:41.23 | AStorm | aquatix: waste? are you running seti, f@h or something on it? |
| 13:41.33 | AStorm | :P |
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| 13:41.38 | aquatix | prefers a load of 0.00 :P |
| 13:42.00 | AStorm | pff |
| 13:42.06 | aquatix | compiling on my laptop is a pain though |
| 13:42.13 | AStorm | distcc? |
| 13:42.21 | aquatix | my new workstation will compile gentoo with two fingers in its nose |
| 13:42.27 | AStorm | rsynced system? |
| 13:42.34 | aquatix | AStorm: buildd :P |
| 13:42.39 | unixSnob | I got kicked out of a forum the yesterday for revealing the fact that ext2/3 doesn't fragment chronically like FAT/NTFS does |
| 13:42.43 | AStorm | there are tons of solutions |
| 13:42.46 | aquatix | got a whole build farm ;) |
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| 13:42.51 | AStorm | unixSnob: you win |
| 13:42.59 | aquatix | and it's called the Debian project |
| 13:43.04 | AStorm | aquatix: distcc is almost there |
| 13:43.12 | AStorm | debian is overrated, a lot |
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| 13:43.38 | AStorm | btw, I need to nicely stabilize my laptop |
| 13:43.51 | AStorm | before I get stuff running |
| 13:44.01 | aquatix | AStorm: myeah, i kinda like my debian machines |
| 13:44.03 | AStorm | would love to get some light VMs |
| 13:44.17 | aquatix | but i'm not forcing it on anyone or something |
| 13:44.19 | aquatix | just saying :) |
| 13:44.21 | AStorm | the problem is that I don't have SVM |
| 13:44.57 | AStorm | and Xen has only patches for antique kernels which don't have drivers for some of my hardware |
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| 13:45.17 | aquatix | debian has a 2.6.25-xen kernel |
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| 13:45.26 | AStorm | aquatix: hmm? |
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| 13:45.33 | AStorm | does it support host? |
| 13:45.39 | aquatix | looks |
| 13:47.17 | aquatix | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.25-1-xen-686 |
| 13:47.25 | aquatix | looking whether it supports host |
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| 13:47.59 | AStorm | that'd be awesome |
| 13:48.15 | AStorm | I need at least 2.6.23 |
| 13:48.15 | aquatix | i think it should |
| 13:48.30 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 13:48.32 | aquatix | if i read http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-05/msg00218.html |
| 13:48.53 | aquatix | will try this kernel later on his domU |
| 13:49.24 | AStorm | hmm :) |
| 13:49.35 | AStorm | this is 2.6.20 |
| 13:49.50 | aquatix | still has .18 on his domU now |
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| 14:15.53 | unixSnob | received a job opening from a Brit responding to his CV on a Brazilian job site.. looks like the Brits are looking to bring in those underpaid brazilian programmers |
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| 14:23.49 | aquatix | :) |
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| 14:31.52 | pyhimys | I try to outsource myself with little shell scripts. |
| 14:32.18 | aquatix | pyhimys: that's not good, job-security-wise ;) |
| 14:32.34 | aquatix | it's very good lazy-admin-wise though |
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| 14:32.53 | pyhimys | aquatix: yep. |
| 14:33.14 | pyhimys | Repetitive tasks are for machines |
| 14:33.21 | JackCrow | Job Security: just make it so no one understands your scripts. Use no or misleading comments :) |
| 14:33.24 | aquatix | needs a script that writes his thesis for him |
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| 14:33.52 | aquatix | JackCrow: depends whether you want to move on or not :) |
| 14:34.05 | aquatix | good admins/programmers don't need job security |
| 14:34.09 | JackCrow | haha, good point |
| 14:34.15 | jumpula | :) |
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| 14:43.17 | unixSnob | aquatix: Good programmers don't need job security, because scripts that make full use of the language are difficult for most mortals to understand |
| 14:44.01 | unixSnob | I recall being ordered not to use most of the constructs available in the Make language, because others need to be able to understand it |
| 14:44.12 | aquatix | lol |
| 14:44.55 | aquatix | that's kinda sad if you think about it |
| 14:45.16 | unixSnob | And for Ada programs, I've been told not to use the "mod" data type, because someone might not know how it works. |
| 14:45.45 | aquatix | tends to think that that someone should use the freaking manual then ;) |
| 14:46.20 | unixSnob | (a mod type is simply a natural number, but when you add 1 to the highest value, it is set to it's lowest value) |
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| 14:47.12 | RST38h | ADA - Language Designed by a Commitee |
| 14:47.21 | RST38h | So is Java, actually... |
| 14:47.48 | aquatix | unixSnob: yeah, so what's so hard about it? |
| 14:47.59 | unixSnob | RST38h: actually, it's "Ada", not an acronym for the American Dentan Association |
| 14:48.06 | aquatix | ints do something similar |
| 14:48.18 | aquatix | also wrap around |
| 14:48.33 | unixSnob | aquatix: just had a lead w/ the same mentality.. "keep it simple, stupid" taken to extremes |
| 14:48.57 | aquatix | so, that was minus the ','? ;) |
| 14:49.06 | aquatix | basically s/,/ & |
| 14:49.07 | RST38h | unixSnob: actually, it is UNIX not misspelled "eunuchs" like in your nickname =) |
| 14:49.29 | aquatix | eunuchs? |
| 14:49.39 | aquatix | pronounces it `younix' |
| 14:49.52 | unixSnob | RST38h: yeah, I agree, but don't like too many caps in handles |
| 14:50.07 | unixSnob | Then folks have to hit an extra key to address me |
| 14:50.23 | RST38h | that is exactly why I came up with my handle |
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| 14:50.41 | aquatix | RST38h: i don't need shift for you |
| 14:50.50 | aquatix | irssi understands `r<tab>' |
| 14:51.03 | unixSnob | hmm.. guess xchat is smart about that too |
| 14:51.07 | aquatix | pats irssi |
| 14:51.10 | RST38h | aquatix <-- computer-enhanced intelligence! =) |
| 14:51.17 | aquatix | is blonde |
| 14:51.22 | aquatix | so yeah ;) |
| 14:51.34 | RST38h | Is Nokia Video Converter written in Java or something? |
| 14:51.43 | aquatix | wouldn't surprise me |
| 14:51.52 | RST38h | Takes an hour to convert 23 minute video and slows computer down to a crawl |
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| 14:54.05 | MangoFusion | not running your computer in java are you? ;) |
| 14:54.53 | RST38h | all right, enough, going to kill and uninstall it |
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| 14:55.06 | aquatix | is going home |
| 14:55.54 | RST38h | Fuck, it is using xulrunner |
| 14:56.15 | RST38h | Have they actually written video converter in JavaScript? Is there ANYTHING sacred left? |
| 14:56.53 | aquatix | wtf |
| 14:56.59 | aquatix | i guess that's only the gui |
| 14:57.05 | aquatix | doesn't it use ffmpeg or something? |
| 14:57.10 | aquatix | anyways, ttyl |
| 14:57.14 | qwerty12 | Ok, does anyone have a compiled binary of windres? I'm shitting myself trying to find it. ARRGH |
| 14:57.23 | RST38h | I have no idea, but it was definitely spending a lot of cycles in xulrunner |
| 14:58.07 | aquatix | weird stuff |
| 14:58.18 | aquatix | is gone now ;) |
| 14:58.19 | unixSnob | would be more motivated to write code for maemo if an Ada compiler existed for it |
| 14:58.24 | aquatix | lol |
| 14:58.44 | aquatix | didn't the gnu compiler do ada? |
| 14:58.55 | aquatix | [so far for being gone] |
| 14:59.27 | unixSnob | gnat is part of gcc distros on x86 machines |
| 14:59.43 | unixSnob | but it's not available for the ARM processor AFAIK |
| 14:59.52 | aquatix | oh |
| 14:59.54 | aquatix | bummer |
| 15:00.05 | aquatix | anyways, gone :) |
| 15:00.09 | unixSnob | l8r |
| 15:00.19 | aquatix | the whole damn office is deserted already :) |
| 15:00.20 | aquatix | cya |
| 15:02.39 | Navi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.05 | qwerty12 | I know, I need a proper binary, all I keep getting is "sb_gcc_wrapper (/scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-windres): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-windres cannot be recognized |
| 15:03.06 | qwerty12 | Maybe you are trying to run a compiler of a wrong architecture? |
| 15:03.06 | qwerty12 | " |
| 15:03.08 | Navi | qwerty12, we're not actually supposed to have it |
| 15:03.23 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
| 15:03.31 | Navi | scratchbox provides us with a dummy script for windres that actually does nothing |
| 15:03.46 | Navi | which is why the compile errors out |
| 15:03.49 | RST38h | All right, given that Nokia's video converter is a pile of steaming fecal matter, what do I use to convert videos? |
| 15:03.58 | Navi | tablet-encode |
| 15:04.04 | Navi | or use ffmpeg/mencoder directly. |
| 15:04.04 | RST38h | understood. thanks. |
| 15:04.34 | qwerty12 | tablet-encode ftw. But I could never get it to work in XP. Ubuntu works like a charm however with it. |
| 15:04.43 | Navi | qwerty12, To get the crap to work, remove sbox-arm-linux-windres. |
| 15:04.57 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 15:05.57 | qwerty12 | Hmm, "sb_gcc_wrapper (/scratchbox/compilers/bin/windres): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-windres: No such file or directory". I'd recompile binutils but that craps out on me too. |
| 15:06.20 | RST38h | Anybody is working on making Conky into a proper desktop applet? |
| 15:06.28 | qwerty12 | That would be cool |
| 15:06.43 | qwerty12 | I have no problems with how it runs atm though. |
| 15:06.47 | RST38h | That would pretty much resolve everybody's status applet needs once and forever |
| 15:07.10 | qwerty12 | It compiles cleanly so anyone willing to take the challenge? :p |
| 15:07.18 | Navi | What are you compiling? |
| 15:07.21 | RST38h | it flickers (because you can't enable double buffering unless you give it its own window) and it is not packaged properly |
| 15:07.29 | Navi | did you run ./configure again before trying to compile? |
| 15:07.37 | qwerty12 | xmms2, I need the headers. |
| 15:07.40 | RST38h | Well, if nobody takes it, I will take it sooner or later, but I am severely out of time resources right now :(( |
| 15:07.43 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it's packaged fine |
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| 15:08.28 | Navi | The headers for xmms2? |
| 15:08.34 | qwerty12 | Yeah |
| 15:08.37 | Navi | mmk |
| 15:09.12 | qwerty12 | Unless I can jack them from the archive already :/ |
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| 15:10.28 | Navi | Cptnodegard, someone saw your review |
| 15:10.30 | Navi | >_> |
| 15:11.16 | Navi | Oh, you saw. |
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| 15:15.05 | Navi | qwerty12, oh yeah, when I checked yesterday, you hadn't voted on it yet. |
| 15:15.21 | qwerty12 | I did vote on it :) |
| 15:15.23 | Navi | gotta check the checkmark box and hit the modify vote button |
| 15:15.27 | qwerty12 | I'm Faheem Pervez |
| 15:15.35 | Navi | only shows emails |
| 15:15.40 | Navi | https://bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=1851 |
| 15:15.40 | qwerty12 | (Yes, perv...) |
| 15:15.45 | qwerty12 | trippin1@gmail.com |
| 15:15.54 | Navi | You're not on the lsit. |
| 15:15.59 | Navi | s/si/is/ |
| 15:16.05 | Cptnodegard | Navi, i see everything :) |
| 15:16.09 | Navi | Cptnodegard, ZOMG |
| 15:16.14 | qwerty12 | That's odd, because I swear I voted. I'll do it again. |
| 15:16.14 | Navi | All hail Cptnodegard |
| 15:16.17 | Navi | bows down |
| 15:16.27 | Navi | qwerty12, did you tick the checkbox and hit the modify vote button? |
| 15:16.29 | Navi | :P |
| 15:16.38 | qwerty12 | Erm, probably no :p |
| 15:17.35 | qwerty12 | Navi,I voted for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=3142 |
| 15:17.51 | qwerty12 | You want me to vote for a different bug, no probs :p |
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| 15:18.37 | Cptnodegard | i found gods secret to how he keeps track of everything |
| 15:18.39 | Cptnodegard | rss |
| 15:18.50 | Navi | qwerty12, d'oh |
| 15:20.19 | RST38h | maybe he doesn't? |
| 15:20.39 | Navi | Oh, that's one of the things I want |
| 15:20.52 | Navi | but wasn't the one I filed |
| 15:22.55 | Navi | qwerty12, too many deps for xmms2 >_> |
| 15:23.36 | qwerty12 | solmumaha has already compiled it, all I want is the headers so I can use conky with it lol |
| 15:23.41 | qwerty12 | Thanks for looking though |
| 15:24.48 | Navi | Heh |
| 15:25.16 | Navi | Wonder if you can pipe conky output to a python applet |
| 15:25.23 | Navi | that'll be fun |
| 15:25.44 | qwerty12 | I don't really use python applets anymore, it's why I went and compiled Conky. |
| 15:26.13 | Navi | yeah, but I'd rather be able to move conky around |
| 15:26.26 | qwerty12 | That is true |
| 15:27.35 | Navi | I wanted to check them out, but because of the bombardment of exams during the last few months of school |
| 15:27.37 | Navi | I haven't had time |
| 15:27.42 | Navi | they're all over now |
| 15:27.45 | Navi | party! |
| 15:28.00 | qwerty12 | Lol, great. Hope you did well in the exams. |
| 15:28.28 | Navi | Probably not, but that's a different story |
| 15:29.19 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I messed up on my French coursework. I'm not really bothered, I can't even speak my mother tongue properly, forget learning a different lanugage. |
| 15:30.43 | RST38h | qwerty, please, make the extra step, hildonize it ! |
| 15:31.07 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Believe me, I wish I knew how :/ |
| 15:31.24 | RST38h | should I help? |
| 15:31.34 | Navi | pipe it to a gtk/python app |
| 15:31.43 | qwerty12 | Yes please, the latest conky 1.5.1 compiles cleanly :) |
| 15:32.18 | Navi | There's really nothing much to hildonize. |
| 15:32.38 | Navi | That's how conky's supposed to be |
| 15:32.50 | RST38h | qwerty: I will locate some simple applet sample and figure out what has to be done |
| 15:33.03 | qwerty12 | Cool, good luck with it |
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| 15:33.34 | Navi | RST38h, if you're lazy, grab some of those python applets. |
| 15:33.38 | qwerty12 | Meanwhile, I'm installing a build with rss enabled |
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| 15:33.50 | qwerty12 | I'd prefer no python |
| 15:34.20 | Navi | :P |
| 15:34.24 | RST38h | No, I am also against python - too heavy |
| 15:34.34 | RST38h | qwerty: Check out this one: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/maemo-plugin-tutorial.html |
| 15:34.43 | RST38h | I think it is called "home plugin" |
| 15:34.52 | Navi | too lazy for anything else |
| 15:35.30 | qwerty12 | Okie, thanks. I'm a dumbshit so I don't really get it but I will try. Meanwhile, if someone else can do it, please do so. |
| 15:35.36 | RST38h | Here is a Chinook version: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html |
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| 15:35.58 | RST38h | qwerty: Should I quickly put together a framework for you to make it easier? |
| 15:36.35 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Any chance you could compile one? I have no idea what I am doing, like my sig says, I'm not a developer :/ |
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| 15:38.33 | RST38h | qwerty: I will try, but the problem is I have got a baby on my hands and several other projects |
| 15:38.45 | RST38h | I am trying to set up the necessary files at the moment |
| 15:39.05 | RST38h | And will pass them to you if I do not have time |
| 15:39.10 | qwerty12 | Ah :). I would have liked to but I just went and deleted my Conky folder by accident (trying to refrain from swearing loudly) |
| 15:39.14 | unixSnob | wonders why SD media consumes more power than CF |
| 15:39.34 | johnx | because CF is the best format evar |
| 15:39.46 | qwerty12 | Then again, I can remake the Conky folder, should only take me 10 mins |
| 15:40.13 | unixSnob | Check this out.. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10889 <= SD to IDE, and then http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10309 <= CF to IDE |
| 15:41.20 | johnx | the CF-SD needs to run an extra chip, right? Don't CF cards implement IDE anyways? |
| 15:41.34 | RST38h | unix: no big deal, both CF and SD are basically IDE |
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| 15:41.49 | RST38h | there are some physical differences, but logix is the same |
| 15:41.51 | johnx | s/CF-SD/IDE->SD/g |
| 15:41.53 | unixSnob | Yeah, I understand that CF = PCI |
| 15:42.03 | unixSnob | But why can't SD use bus power? |
| 15:42.10 | johnx | s/PCI/PCMCIA/ |
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| 15:42.43 | unixSnob | yeah, I suppose extra chip for SD theory sounds reasonable |
| 15:42.44 | RST38h | no, cf != pcmcia |
| 15:42.54 | RST38h | cf ~= ide |
| 15:43.06 | ||cw | cf = ide, pcmcia includes ide |
| 15:43.06 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 15:43.16 | ||cw | ata more specificaly |
| 15:43.23 | unixSnob | I heard it was pcmcia |
| 15:43.33 | RST38h | PCMCIA is much more complicated |
| 15:43.36 | johnx | ah, but CF is a subset of PCMCIA, right? |
| 15:43.42 | RST38h | PCMCIA = ISA + PnP glue |
| 15:43.58 | RST38h | 32bit PCMCIA = PCI + PnP glue |
| 15:44.37 | unixSnob | if pcmcia included IDE, why would an IDE controller need any chips.. I don't buy it.. IDE is more raw, IDE is special purpose |
| 15:44.52 | unixSnob | i mean, pci is more raw... |
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| 15:45.37 | unixSnob | anyway.. I got my answer.. more circuits on the SD board |
| 15:45.40 | Navi | CF memory is cheaper anyways |
| 15:45.45 | ||cw | maybe I'm wrong, I was under the impression that cf to pcmcia didn't have a contrler chip |
| 15:45.45 | Navi | sometimes |
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| 15:46.21 | johnx | ok, I think cf is a subset of 16-bit pcmcia, IIRC |
| 15:47.12 | ||cw | that was my understanding, cardbus controlers do still support 16bit pcmcia |
| 15:47.27 | johnx | ||cw, that sounds right |
| 15:47.55 | johnx | and I have a nice little chipless adapter that lets me plug a CF card into my cardbus slot on my laptop |
| 15:48.00 | johnx | it was $3 :) |
| 15:50.16 | unixSnob | considers using a CF card instead of HDD to run a bootloader and kernel for a desktop machine |
| 15:50.36 | johnx | seems reasonable |
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| 15:50.59 | johnx | don't use it for anything that depends on raw transfer speed, but other than that it makes a lot of sense |
| 15:51.03 | johnx | I was thinking the same thing |
| 15:51.35 | Atarii | hey does anyone know if scratchbox works with bsd? |
| 15:52.04 | qwerty12 | Good joke :p |
| 15:52.16 | qwerty12 | That was a bad joke of somesort |
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| 15:52.49 | Atarii | sorry did someone reply then? |
| 15:52.55 | RST38h | qwerty: almost made a small home plugin |
| 15:53.02 | qwerty12 | Atarii, I did but it was pointless |
| 15:53.06 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Cool :) |
| 15:53.15 | johnx | Atarii, maybe if you have support built for running Linux binaries? |
| 15:53.53 | Atarii | yes there is support for running Linux binaires |
| 15:53.57 | johnx | hmm...actually, you could replace the toolchain with one that runs on bsd...and replace qemu with one compiled for bsd |
| 15:54.08 | johnx | and then rebuild scratchbox from source |
| 15:54.10 | Atarii | sweet |
| 15:54.22 | johnx | this is all thoroughly speculation on my part |
| 15:54.40 | johnx | the maemo sdk is *big* and I don't know what linux-centric assumptions Nokia made |
| 15:55.05 | Navi | lolinux |
| 15:55.26 | Navi | Someone should make an Ubuntu distribution rehash named that |
| 15:56.13 | johnx | heh...the lolcat-ese localization of ubuntu? |
| 15:56.24 | Navi | Yessir |
| 15:56.27 | Navi | with an lolcat theme |
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| 15:57.13 | Atarii | it wasnt for me, it was asked for one of the devlopers of pc-bsd |
| 15:57.34 | Navi | Best thing to do is try |
| 15:57.47 | Navi | We're not sure |
| 15:57.47 | johnx | Atarii, ah, here's the big deal breaker though |
| 15:58.00 | Atarii | ? |
| 15:58.03 | johnx | it depends on binfmt_misc on linux |
| 15:58.14 | Atarii | thats way over my head but ill tell him |
| 15:58.21 | johnx | I have no idea if their is a bsd equivalent of similar functionality |
| 15:58.27 | Atarii | think ive just got Nokia another n810 sale :D |
| 15:58.44 | Navi | :P |
| 15:58.52 | johnx | binfmt_misc lets you run programs for other architectures by specifying an "interpreter" |
| 15:58.58 | johnx | in this case, qemu |
| 15:59.10 | Navi | bleh |
| 15:59.19 | Navi | too many people ask me about the N800 at my Uni |
| 15:59.21 | johnx | thinking about it...that's probably how BSD does linux compatibility so it might not be a big deal |
| 16:00.02 | Navi | so I've started to be vague about why you can't really play games and videos without transcoding |
| 16:00.13 | Atarii | lol |
| 16:00.41 | Navi | and there are some who get snooty 'cuz they thing they're smarter |
| 16:00.48 | Navi | s/ng/nk/ |
| 16:00.50 | qwerty12 | Same here, I always say good points (except for my shit battery life which I can't hide) |
| 16:01.01 | Navi | I put my device in offline mode |
| 16:01.11 | Atarii | i just showed xterm and it was a winner |
| 16:01.12 | Navi | when I'm not using it |
| 16:01.16 | Navi | Atarii, lol |
| 16:01.20 | Atarii | thats when you know they are a geek |
| 16:01.30 | qwerty12 | Mine is in offline mode but my N800 gets v.hot now and it still dies :p |
| 16:01.39 | Atarii | when they scroll the menu and say "o wow xterminal" |
| 16:01.46 | johnx | qwerty12, you definitely have something sucking up CPU time :) |
| 16:01.56 | Navi | qwerty12, you should stop playing porn in the background while not using it |
| 16:02.09 | qwerty12 | johnx, Yep, I don't know what it is though :( |
| 16:02.12 | Atarii | wheres the best place to get n810 in UK anyone know? |
| 16:02.15 | qwerty12 | Navi, damn, how did u find out? |
| 16:02.20 | Navi | I stalk you |
| 16:02.32 | Navi | Atarii, do they have Nokia stores there? |
| 16:02.44 | Atarii | dont think so, maybe London :( |
| 16:02.47 | Navi | Well, that would be the *easiest* place |
| 16:02.48 | unixSnob | when it's in offline mode, and the RSS reader tries for a scheduled download, does it go online? |
| 16:02.53 | qwerty12 | checks the bushes... |
| 16:02.59 | qwerty12 | Atarii, London ftw |
| 16:03.13 | Navi | unixSnob, no |
| 16:03.17 | Atarii | qwerty12 birmingham here atm :( |
| 16:03.50 | qwerty12 | Atarii, I feel sorry for you :( :P. Hehe, I think we have a lot of Nokia service centers around London |
| 16:03.54 | Navi | rss reader applet = battery sucker |
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| 16:04.35 | Atarii | qwerty12 is there any stores which have display internet tablets? |
| 16:04.45 | Navi | Yay, mediabox update? |
| 16:04.56 | Navi | I mean, I'm not a fan of it, but I want to try it out anyways |
| 16:05.27 | qwerty12 | Atarii, I don't think so. It's the phones that get displayed. You *may* be able to find one in Central London |
| 16:06.39 | qwerty12 | solmumaha, Any chance of dropping me the xmms2 headers or something? I don't want to recompile but I want to include xmms2 support in Conky :). I'm having a war between the 2 daemons: xmms2 and mpd |
| 16:07.11 | Atarii | one more exam then its scratchbox time! prepare for noob questions! |
| 16:07.13 | Navi | I prefer xmms2 but it lacks killer clients like ncmpc |
| 16:07.34 | RST38h | qwerty: rebooting to Ubuntu |
| 16:07.41 | RST38h | Going to try compiling this home plugin |
| 16:07.46 | johnx | Navi, ncmpc wins! |
| 16:07.47 | solmumaha | qwerty12: how good is the support? |
| 16:07.53 | solmumaha | just control? |
| 16:08.06 | qwerty12 | No idea :/. I think it may just list the song that is playing with the time :/ |
| 16:08.17 | Navi | the whole db thing in mpd is supposed to be killed in mpd2, but the dev team for mpd is lacking in... people |
| 16:08.18 | solmumaha | don't bother then |
| 16:08.24 | qwerty12 | I haven't really looked at the config options. I'll see now. |
| 16:08.25 | qwerty12 | k |
| 16:08.58 | johnx | eh, the db thing in mpd doesn't bother me that much since it's so fast |
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| 16:09.43 | qwerty12 | Here are conky xmms2 options: http://pastebin.com/d7a656af2 . Don't really seem like much to me too :/ |
| 16:09.45 | Navi | I just like adding music to my playlist without having to move the music and then update the db |
| 16:10.35 | solmumaha | qwerty12: useless imo |
| 16:10.40 | qwerty12 | I need to transfer the songs of my W810 onto my N800. Not sure if it's worth it atm though if my battery is really bad. |
| 16:10.43 | qwerty12 | solmumaha, agreed |
| 16:11.17 | Navi | cool |
| 16:11.31 | Navi | the bottom and top bars are now translucent in mediabox |
| 16:11.36 | Navi | the old bars were uber ugly |
| 16:11.49 | Navi | now it's only *kinda* ugly |
| 16:11.52 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 16:12.14 | Navi | a better designed theme would make it look really good |
| 16:12.38 | RST38h | back |
| 16:14.08 | Navi | the bottom bar isn't completely retarded any more |
| 16:14.19 | Navi | doesn't try to double as a navigation bar |
| 16:14.39 | qwerty12 | My biggest annoyance with apt is that it will not let me install anything else while a totally unreleated package has a conflict, missing deps etc. |
| 16:14.55 | Navi | My biggest annoyance with apt is making packages. |
| 16:15.17 | Navi | A seriously overcomplicated approach |
| 16:15.23 | johnx | apt is package agnostic, Navi |
| 16:15.31 | johnx | you can make it install .tgz's if you want |
| 16:15.37 | Navi | s/apt/debs/ |
| 16:15.43 | johnx | fair enough |
| 16:15.47 | johnx | I'll agree with you there O_o |
| 16:16.37 | johnx | qwerty12, that means your OS is in a broken state. It's like your stove refusing to let you cook something while the other burner is on fire. :) |
| 16:17.33 | qwerty12 | Good analogy, but it would be nice if it would include a carry on option. As you may have been able to tell, I take risks and always end up paying for them >.< :p |
| 16:17.51 | Navi | playlists + better kinetic scrolling makes it a lot nicer than canola in the music playing field |
| 16:17.56 | johnx | apt-get -f install && apt-get install foo |
| 16:18.16 | Navi | and canola broke for me :/ |
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| 16:18.41 | johnx | if diablo has a newer apt installed I'll definitely get a build of aptitude running O_o |
| 16:18.43 | aquatix | back |
| 16:18.52 | qwerty12 | johnx, same here :D |
| 16:18.53 | johnx | I've really fallen in love with aptitude over the last couple days |
| 16:18.55 | Navi | I wouldn't bank on it |
| 16:19.24 | johnx | Navi, I'll bet you one (1) donut Diablo has a newer version of apt :) |
| 16:19.30 | Navi | deal |
| 16:19.34 | qwerty12 | johnx, ;) |
| 16:19.58 | Navi | But considering what's already been said, as well as what was in my several months old alpha snap |
| 16:20.10 | Navi | I want my doughnut filled with custard |
| 16:20.19 | qwerty12 | Chocolate ftw |
| 16:20.56 | Atarii | if i have my iGo keyboard paired with my nokia and then pair it to my computer, is there anyway to quickly swith between the two? |
| 16:21.03 | Navi | synergy |
| 16:21.05 | qwerty12 | lol, dh_make sucks |
| 16:21.17 | Atarii | apart from synergy |
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| 16:22.01 | Navi | Cool |
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| 16:22.24 | Navi | the edje demos that the canola team contributed to the e svn are in the repos |
| 16:23.33 | inz | johnx, aptitude is slllloowwwww |
| 16:24.00 | johnx | but it's ability to deal with recommends and brokenness is worth it |
| 16:24.09 | johnx | especially when space is limited |
| 16:24.17 | Navi | mmm |
| 16:24.35 | Capn_Fish | johnx: I didn't miss the new release, did I? |
| 16:24.40 | johnx | nah |
| 16:24.44 | Capn_Fish | Wehw |
| 16:24.46 | johnx | just got back from work |
| 16:24.48 | Capn_Fish | *whew |
| 16:24.55 | johnx | haven't been working on it today |
| 16:25.02 | Capn_Fish | no problem |
| 16:25.24 | Capn_Fish | I just want to make sure I get it immediately after it becomes available |
| 16:25.31 | johnx | I found something about sound in mamona that might make me delay a debian release for a little while, in favor of getting that working :) |
| 16:25.32 | Capn_Fish | Not that I'm impatient |
| 16:25.40 | RST38h | qwerty: tiny plugin example compiled. making a deb for it. |
| 16:25.48 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
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| 16:26.21 | inz | johnx, what version of apt does aptitude need? |
| 16:26.32 | johnx | I honestly don't know |
| 16:26.59 | johnx | but at this point I don't feel like starting projects with el diablo on the horizon |
| 16:27.47 | inz | johnx, the maemo svn has apt 0.7.6(maemo2) |
| 16:29.48 | johnx | great |
| 16:30.28 | johnx | that should be fine I think for a relatively recent version of aptitude |
| 16:30.36 | qwerty12 | I am gonna beat the crap out of my N800 |
| 16:31.11 | johnx | Navi, glazed, filled with jelly |
| 16:31.15 | Navi | snap |
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| 16:31.39 | johnx | I might have to split it with qwerty12 though :D |
| 16:31.56 | qwerty12 | The bet? :) |
| 16:32.01 | johnx | the donut |
| 16:32.10 | Navi | goes to krispy kreme and gets johnx a glazed doughnut filled with banana jelly |
| 16:32.13 | qwerty12 | Ah >.> |
| 16:32.23 | Navi | here you go |
| 16:32.29 | Navi | tosses the doughnut over to johnx |
| 16:32.50 | johnx | the donut makes it ~20 feet |
| 16:33.01 | johnx | I'll pick that up in a sec... |
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| 16:35.45 | Navi | hmm |
| 16:36.26 | Navi | I wonder if I can repackage the stuff that depends on libgtkmozembed and change the depends |
| 16:37.02 | johnx | sure, just ar x foo.deb and poke its control file then repack |
| 16:37.18 | Navi | yeah, I've done that |
| 16:37.55 | Navi | but isn't microb-eal one of the preinstalled packages that can't be found on the repos? |
| 16:37.55 | qwerty12 | I just went and edited status file :/ |
| 16:38.09 | johnx | do use dpkg-repack on it |
| 16:38.19 | Navi | or I can use timeless's script :D |
| 16:38.25 | Navi | I don't have a debian system |
| 16:38.34 | johnx | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 16:38.45 | Navi | You don't have to be. I hate .debs |
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| 16:38.56 | johnx | you could chroot into one on the tablet or use my debian rootfs :) |
| 16:39.02 | Navi | :P |
| 16:39.12 | johnx | making debs are a pain but debian is a great distro |
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| 16:40.12 | Navi | I prefer distros that follow the KISS philosophy... or *BSD |
| 16:40.32 | johnx | so, what's your OS of choice? |
| 16:40.36 | Navi | ArchLinux |
| 16:41.19 | Navi | I check out other distros periodically to see if anything's changed |
| 16:41.29 | johnx | maybe I'll look at arch |
| 16:41.50 | johnx | it didn't immediately scare me away by being either: compile everything from source or based on redhat |
| 16:42.13 | Navi | so I've tried etch and sid |
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| 16:42.17 | Navi | Lol |
| 16:42.34 | johnx | a *surprsing* number of distros fail those two sanity checks |
| 16:42.41 | Navi | I have a lot of stuff from source/svn anyways |
| 16:43.07 | johnx | is too impatient to compile tons of stuff from source |
| 16:43.08 | Navi | Glad I don't have to compile stuff I don't care about |
| 16:43.19 | qwerty12 | ok, to make a deb not listed as incompatible application package, the section must be user/whatever right? |
| 16:43.28 | johnx | qwerty12, yes |
| 16:43.38 | qwerty12 | johnx, thanks |
| 16:43.50 | johnx | :) |
| 16:44.05 | Navi | my libeet is borken |
| 16:44.08 | Navi | wonder why |
| 16:44.18 | johnx | my desktop is finally at a state where it does what I want and I don't feel the need to use bleeding edge software on it |
| 16:45.03 | unixSnob | doesn't have the need for bleeding edge s/w either.. but debian is ancient stuff! |
| 16:45.07 | Navi | I like getting new features and new fixes a few days (hours, sometimes) after release |
| 16:45.18 | johnx | unixSnob, eh, I run debian "unstable" |
| 16:45.22 | RST38h | qwerty: plugin built, need to test |
| 16:45.24 | JackCrow | johnx: quick! back up and save that config! |
| 16:45.26 | Navi | new libs are great too |
| 16:45.37 | unixSnob | hmm.. maybe I should try debian unstable |
| 16:45.41 | aquatix | unixSnob: debian ancient? |
| 16:45.47 | aquatix | ah, using stable? |
| 16:45.47 | Navi | I like sid more than the ancient stuff |
| 16:45.48 | johnx | it's more stable than any redhat I've ever tried |
| 16:45.50 | aquatix | uses sid |
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| 16:45.55 | johnx | and it's working better than ubuntu stable |
| 16:46.00 | aquatix | yeah |
| 16:46.28 | unixSnob | is about to trash a debian netinst installation.. way too old |
| 16:46.28 | Navi | Plus, I don't like being bothered to reinstall my desktop as recommended or trying to fix it myself. |
| 16:46.48 | johnx | unixSnob, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:46.57 | johnx | it *actually works* a lot of the time |
| 16:47.02 | Navi | Heh |
| 16:47.06 | unixSnob | now you tell me |
| 16:47.15 | aquatix | does dist-upgrade at least once a day |
| 16:47.17 | aquatix | but i'm weird |
| 16:47.29 | aquatix | <- update whore |
| 16:47.35 | johnx | Navi, hey, this is kind of a surprsing situation coming from redhat or windows |
| 16:47.41 | mgedmin | used to run debian unstable |
| 16:47.43 | mgedmin | it was fun |
| 16:47.54 | mgedmin | especially the day when my /home refused to mount due to a bug in debian's initrd |
| 16:48.05 | mgedmin | that other day when X refused to start was also rather fun |
| 16:48.11 | johnx | I tend to find a good set of versions and avoid updating when crazy stuff is going on |
| 16:48.19 | Navi | johnx, you mean I don't have to reinstall every time a new release is out?! |
| 16:48.20 | Navi | faints |
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| 16:48.38 | johnx | Navi, tell me archilinux has good "upgradability" and I'll give it a shot |
| 16:49.01 | qwerty12 | Tell me it can find a good supplier and I'll get it. |
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| 16:49.14 | unixSnob | How do I install unstable stuff? If I install debian 4 (netinst), it installs old stable stuff by default |
| 16:49.21 | Navi | It does. A few of the #archlinux people has had installs as old as the distros itself. |
| 16:49.31 | johnx | right, so grab a testing netinst |
| 16:49.37 | johnx | or just install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 16:50.24 | unixSnob | how do I run the dist upgrade? Will "aptitude install dist-upgrade" do it? |
| 16:50.37 | RST38h | qwerty: Are you here? |
| 16:50.46 | qwerty12 | Yeah |
| 16:51.05 | Navi | johnx, the only problem I've had was the hdX/sdX change. I didn't edit menu.lst before I rebooted |
| 16:51.09 | johnx | unixSnob, should just be aptitude dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade |
| 16:51.34 | unixSnob | ty |
| 16:51.42 | johnx | Need to change your sources.list first of course |
| 16:52.31 | RST38h | qwerty: I have compiled a little sample plugin for you |
| 16:52.45 | RST38h | qwerty: Everything is there, you just need to add your code instead of button_new |
| 16:52.56 | RST38h | qwerty: where should I email it? |
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| 16:53.09 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Drop it at trippin1@gmail.com . Thanks :) |
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| 16:56.18 | Navi | qwerty12, now your email's been logged for spambot fun |
| 16:56.20 | Navi | woo |
| 16:56.39 | qwerty12 | lol, I have 838 emails in gmail spam filter :p |
| 16:56.47 | qwerty12 | besides, your email is on the bugzilla :p |
| 16:57.25 | unixSnob | wonders why you folks don't use IRC to move files |
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| 16:57.36 | qwerty12 | I wonder too. |
| 16:57.57 | Navi | dcc foos |
| 16:59.05 | mgedmin | doesn't work reliably... |
| 16:59.16 | mgedmin | firewalls and stuff |
| 17:00.01 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Thanks :). Got the email. I'll take a look tomorrow, headache is kicking in :( |
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| 17:10.34 | Navi | wtf |
| 17:10.50 | Navi | python is looking for libeet.so0 |
| 17:10.59 | Navi | s/so0/so.0/ |
| 17:11.07 | Navi | switches channel |
| 17:11.08 | Navi | s |
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| 17:13.12 | qwerty12 | needs to make another crap package. I make packages, I just gotta put dem out now... |
| 17:13.46 | Navi | woo |
| 17:14.04 | Navi | I like that xterm with the toolbar on the side |
| 17:14.16 | qwerty12 | yep |
| 17:14.29 | qwerty12 | tabs are a winner too |
| 17:14.31 | Navi | I've never used it, but I like the looks of it |
| 17:14.35 | Navi | zomgtabzwhere? |
| 17:14.37 | johnx | 'night all |
| 17:14.38 | Navi | link |
| 17:14.39 | Navi | link |
| 17:14.41 | Navi | johnx, good night |
| 17:14.50 | qwerty12 | johnx, night |
| 17:14.54 | johnx | :) |
| 17:15.01 | qwerty12 | Navi, wait a sec |
| 17:15.10 | Navi | johnx, don't you feel loved |
| 17:15.14 | Navi | qwerty12, I can't wait. |
| 17:15.17 | Navi | It's impossible |
| 17:15.25 | qwerty12 | just jamm :p |
| 17:15.40 | Navi | ;) |
| 17:15.49 | qwerty12 | http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/osso-xterm/ |
| 17:15.58 | Navi | is it based on the svn? |
| 17:16.14 | qwerty12 | Yes, 13 is the build with tabs and toolbar on the side. |
| 17:16.18 | qwerty12 | ttf-bitstream-vera is also needed. |
| 17:16.48 | ccooke | ... can you make the toolbar *not* appear by default? |
| 17:16.55 | Navi | you can disable it |
| 17:17.02 | Navi | setting doesn't stick? |
| 17:17.06 | qwerty12 | Yes, in SVN builds it actually stays disabled. |
| 17:17.23 | Navi | yeah |
| 17:17.43 | ccooke | Good! |
| 17:17.49 | ccooke | is there a changelog anywhere? |
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| 17:19.55 | qwerty12 | If anyone wants the musictracker pidgin plugin, I went and compiled it for the maemo pidgin port (shows on msn what track you are listening to through mpd) |
| 17:21.41 | JackCrow | Does it display track to other IM networks? |
| 17:21.52 | qwerty12 | Yes (afaik) |
| 17:22.07 | qwerty12 | "MusicTracker is a plugin for Pidgin (previously known as Gaim) which displays the music track currently playing in the status message of various accounts such as AIM, Yahoo, MSN, Gtalk (Jabber), etc., i.e. any protocol Pidgin supports custom statuses on" |
| 17:22.32 | qwerty12 | It should in theory work with exaile too as we have a port. |
| 17:22.34 | JackCrow | interesting |
| 17:22.54 | Navi | qwerty12, where can I grab the font? |
| 17:23.15 | qwerty12 | It's in a repo somewhere, I have it installed but not sure which one. I'll check for you. |
| 17:23.31 | JackCrow | I would give that a try, always wanted to be able to do that. I guess I'd have to be listening with the built-in media player, rather than Canola, right? |
| 17:23.45 | qwerty12 | No, mpd :) |
| 17:23.51 | qwerty12 | Or Exaile |
| 17:24.15 | qwerty12 | Navi, it's in Maemo Chinook - [Repository is online] |
| 17:24.15 | qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook | free non-free |
| 17:24.28 | Navi | k |
| 17:24.31 | Navi | thanks |
| 17:24.35 | JackCrow | oh, i see |
| 17:24.45 | Navi | hrm |
| 17:24.54 | Navi | If I change up the ncmpc keybindings |
| 17:25.02 | Navi | then it would be perfectly usable |
| 17:25.05 | Navi | bwahahaha |
| 17:25.20 | qwerty12 | I'm installing a mpc frontend atm, lets see how it works. |
| 17:25.35 | qwerty12 | s/mpc/mpd |
| 17:29.56 | Navi | ohho |
| 17:30.16 | Navi | the shortcuts on the side will make ncmpc awesome |
| 17:30.33 | qwerty12 | I tried it, initial setup screen is too big so I'm jacking the config file on my computer. |
| 17:30.35 | qwerty12 | Cool |
| 17:32.30 | Navi | how do you bind a space key? |
| 17:33.08 | qwerty12 | Try GDK_KP_Space |
| 17:33.42 | qwerty12 | Or GDK_space or KP_Space :/ |
| 17:34.39 | Navi | KP_Space |
| 17:34.48 | Navi | thanks |
| 17:34.48 | qwerty12 | Skeen |
| 17:34.51 | qwerty12 | Bye |
| 17:35.00 | Navi | bye? |
| 17:35.06 | qwerty12 | Yeah, I gtg :) |
| 17:35.08 | Navi | kk |
| 17:35.10 | Navi | see ya |
| 17:35.21 | qwerty12 | :) |
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| 17:49.47 | eero | hi |
| 17:50.02 | unixSnob | Folks - got an answer to our CF chip discussion earlier |
| 17:50.50 | unixSnob | CF card buses /are/ pcmcia (not IDE), but they contain circuitry to act as a IDE controller |
| 17:51.05 | unixSnob | s/they/CF media/ |
| 17:51.09 | eero | should I install 64 bit or 32 bit ubuntu if I plan to use maemo on scratchbox ? |
| 17:53.22 | Atarii | canola2 really doesnt like 2008he :( |
| 17:55.49 | Navi | eero, 32bit |
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| 18:05.42 | eero | ok |
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| 18:16.36 | RST38h | I am getting a crash in tablet-encode. Any ideas why it would happen? |
| 18:16.49 | RST38h | An X11-related crash the very moment it tries showing a window |
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| 18:23.26 | zap | Can anybody tell me who/when launches udhcpc? I would like to set my hostname through DHCP, so I need to change its command line somehow... |
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| 18:31.05 | NullM0dem | zap: this may help http://udhcp.busybox.net/README.udhcpc |
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| 18:34.29 | zap | I found that udhcpc is started by /usr/sbin/icd |
| 18:34.48 | zap | so basically there's no way to modify udhcpc command line |
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| 18:35.06 | zap | except replacing /sbin/udhcpc with my script, and renaming the original binary to udhcpc.bin |
| 18:35.20 | zap | which I did, and which works :) |
| 18:35.40 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4508 |
| 18:35.41 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 18:35.55 | KotCzarny | endless reboot loop, now available for m$ windows too! |
| 18:35.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:45.22 | RST38h | hello, kot |
| 18:45.32 | RST38h | Heh, you have found that article too |
| 18:45.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:45.57 | RST38h | Why did I see it happen from the very beginning? =) |
| 18:46.16 | KotCzarny | just because? |
| 18:46.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:47.55 | lcuk | checks to see if anyone notices |
| 18:48.36 | KotCzarny | notices what? |
| 18:48.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:48.56 | lcuk | ermmm it wasnt me |
| 18:49.09 | KotCzarny | what have you done? |
| 18:49.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:49.40 | lcuk | :D heh, i completely borkened the ssh session and the 810 with some kind of rampant memory string |
| 18:49.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:49.55 | RST38h | 130fps conversion rate |
| 18:50.02 | lcuk | and in the course of doing this i think ive broken font rendering |
| 18:50.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:50.13 | RST38h | lcuk the barbarian |
| 18:50.30 | lcuk | it renders *some* glyphs fine |
| 18:50.42 | lcuk | but others are ermmm strange to say the least |
| 18:51.18 | KotCzarny | looks like corruption |
| 18:51.27 | RST38h | researcher John Shalf explained the purpose and some of the technical details of the newly-announced "iPod supercomputer". "Microprocessors from portable electronics like iPods could yield low-cost, low-power supercomputers for specialized scientific applications, according to computer scientist John Shalf. |
| 18:51.44 | KotCzarny | low-power supercomputer? |
| 18:51.52 | KotCzarny | as in low mips, or low watts? |
| 18:52.07 | RST38h | Ah, the distance at which some scientists will get gov grants to buy iPods... |
| 18:52.32 | lcuk | kot, kinetic scrolling this book is great |
| 18:52.37 | aquatix | KotCzarny: as in `whatever, not going to build one' |
| 18:52.55 | aquatix | better use c2d's or something |
| 18:53.00 | KotCzarny | lcuk: /me purrs :) |
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| 18:53.59 | KotCzarny | Man dressed as tree robs bank |
| 18:54.00 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 18:54.27 | RST38h | *Not* penis this time? |
| 18:54.31 | lcuk | nope, deffo code. i just put last nights back and its working |
| 19:08.30 | Navi | ugh |
| 19:08.31 | Navi | ffs |
| 19:08.37 | Navi | ncmpc won't run |
| 19:08.51 | Navi | keeps complaining about "Error opening terminal: xterm" :( |
| 19:09.06 | KotCzarny | install ncurses package |
| 19:09.10 | Navi | did |
| 19:09.15 | KotCzarny | and something else |
| 19:09.18 | KotCzarny | i forgot the name |
| 19:10.24 | Navi | ncurses-base? |
| 19:10.43 | Navi | ncurses-term? |
| 19:11.01 | KotCzarny | afair i had the same error |
| 19:11.16 | KotCzarny | and it needed only installing some package |
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| 19:12.03 | Navi | yeah |
| 19:12.06 | Navi | it was ncurses-base |
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| 19:18.58 | lcuk | knows what he did |
| 19:24.46 | Navi | Any idea what KP the > is? |
| 19:25.29 | Navi | I want to give it a shortcut in the toolbar |
| 19:25.41 | vililikku | Hi! Is it possible to use Maemo Mapper in the Linux system? |
| 19:26.10 | vililikku | I'm trying to compile maemo mapper in my Arch Linux, but i can't find package conic |
| 19:27.24 | KotCzarny | it's nokia's package |
| 19:27.35 | KotCzarny | connection related |
| 19:27.54 | Navi | There are probably better desktop mapping proggies anyways |
| 19:28.21 | vililikku | KotCzarny: So can i get it from somewhere? |
| 19:28.48 | vililikku | Navi: But i want to try Maemo mapper. :) |
| 19:28.48 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 19:29.04 | KotCzarny | you would need to hack the source |
| 19:29.10 | KotCzarny | and rip out maemo-specific parts |
| 19:29.42 | vililikku | KotCzarny: I don't do it, i give up |
| 19:29.47 | vililikku | too hard for me |
| 19:29.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:30.02 | KotCzarny | you can try asking the author |
| 19:30.19 | KotCzarny | he has said something about x86 version in the future |
| 19:30.25 | KotCzarny | but nothing specific |
| 19:30.44 | vililikku | KotCzarny: Okey. |
| 19:31.23 | KotCzarny | you can try running it in sdk too |
| 19:31.42 | vililikku | KotCzarny: I try tomorrov, now i go to bed |
| 19:31.57 | vililikku | v --> w |
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| 19:47.06 | Navi | http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3042/ncmpcxz8.png |
| 19:47.09 | Navi | woo |
| 19:47.42 | zap | ncmpc maemo edition? |
| 19:47.52 | Navi | It's just the standard ncmpc |
| 19:48.02 | zap | what's at the right of it? |
| 19:48.09 | zap | ah, xterm :) |
| 19:48.12 | Navi | yeah |
| 19:48.28 | zap | your fonts seems a little f*d up |
| 19:48.38 | Navi | it is |
| 19:48.49 | Navi | I haven't gotten around to putting fonts on |
| 19:48.59 | zap | why you would like to use a proportional font in terminal? :) |
| 19:49.11 | zap | monospace is the true font for it |
| 19:49.30 | Navi | I was playing with fonts a few days ago |
| 19:49.36 | Navi | that were already on the device |
| 19:49.50 | zap | I wonder what fonts are by default |
| 19:49.56 | balrog-kun | i have a URW Gothic font in gnome terminal it looks quite cool |
| 19:49.58 | Navi | reinstalling my apps were a higher prioraty than fonts |
| 19:50.01 | zap | apt-get install ttf-dejavu |
| 19:50.04 | balrog-kun | not very readable, but looks fancy |
| 19:50.08 | Navi | lol |
| 19:50.11 | Navi | I've seen that font :P |
| 19:50.20 | KotCzarny | uses roman font on console |
| 19:50.33 | Navi | my font of choice is terminus |
| 19:53.22 | zap | hmm, osso-xterm does not see my dejavu fonts |
| 19:53.55 | zap | proposes to choose only between sans, serif and monospace |
| 19:54.36 | Navi | mmm |
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| 20:33.35 | Navi | Woo |
| 20:33.37 | Navi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19901 |
| 20:33.53 | Navi | 25 bucks to the first person who runs microb in kde |
| 20:34.25 | Navi | like, actually working. |
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| 20:42.27 | RST38h | Navi: But why? |
| 20:42.43 | Navi | Why what? |
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| 20:48.08 | Navi | RST38h, oh, KDE. |
| 20:48.17 | Navi | Better than Konqueror? |
| 20:48.19 | Navi | :P |
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| 21:03.18 | RST38h | First, they bend out of their way to make KDE run on Maemo |
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| 21:03.30 | RST38h | Now, they want to run Maemo apps on KDE |
| 21:03.54 | n800n | jerks. |
| 21:04.03 | KotCzarny | girlies. |
| 21:04.30 | KotCzarny | i need a quiet 40mm fan |
| 21:04.52 | KotCzarny | anyone with practical knowledge of topic? |
| 21:06.54 | Kt- | quiet, and 40mm fan does not go together normally |
| 21:06.59 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 21:06.59 | Kt- | unless it is underpowered |
| 21:07.04 | pupnik | i have silent ones - underpowered |
| 21:07.07 | KotCzarny | underpowered is ok |
| 21:07.10 | Kt- | ok |
| 21:07.19 | KotCzarny | i have already connected 2 in serial |
| 21:07.27 | Kt- | what are you doing? would an aluminum passive heatsink suffice? |
| 21:07.53 | KotCzarny | kt-: i have toshiba magnia sg20 that i would like to silence |
| 21:08.00 | KotCzarny | not much space inside |
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| 21:09.43 | KotCzarny | i have found 1 fdb fan manufacturer |
| 21:09.55 | KotCzarny | but from reviews it's blades are unbalanced |
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| 21:19.03 | fysa | KotCzarny, silentpcreview.com? |
| 21:19.28 | KotCzarny | lets see |
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| 21:20.03 | fysa | http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=40mmpapst |
| 21:20.14 | fysa | a silentpcreview post brougth me here.. |
| 21:20.17 | fysa | brought |
| 21:20.24 | KotCzarny | thx |
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| 21:40.31 | NullM0dem | is it possible to do tcp/ip networking over usb with the n810? my ipaq did this under windows through activesync |
| 21:40.42 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:40.44 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 21:40.48 | NullM0dem | :) |
| 21:40.49 | qwerty12_N800 | too late lol |
| 21:40.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:41.18 | NullM0dem | perfect, i tried to search ITT but kept stumbling on articles for cell phones |
| 21:41.40 | NullM0dem | im guessing its covered there i just need to refine my searches |
| 21:41.54 | KotCzarny | i think it's as simple as loading proper module and doing ifconfig |
| 21:42.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Check the maemo.org wiki on setting up usbnet. theres a section on iptables |
| 21:42.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Also, I think Kate Alhola went into this on her blog. |
| 21:42.50 | NullM0dem | cool |
| 21:42.52 | NullM0dem | thanks |
| 21:43.11 | NullM0dem | usbnet is the magic word |
| 21:43.22 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 21:44.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Now I figured out I can compile pidgin plugins, I *have* to get guifications. |
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| 21:46.51 | NullM0dem | guifications? |
| 21:47.12 | NullM0dem | ah its a plugin |
| 21:47.33 | qwerty12_N800 | yep :) |
| 21:48.46 | NullM0dem | do you have problems with pidgeon when it is iconified? I will not get messages unless it's minimized vs iconbar |
| 21:49.25 | NullM0dem | im guessing its a "hildonized issue" |
| 21:49.44 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't think so but then I use it minimised anyway :) |
| 21:49.49 | NullM0dem | i do as well |
| 21:50.28 | NullM0dem | messages will not pop into the forground |
| 21:50.58 | NullM0dem | either way its nice, the n810 is very charming, i adore every glitch :-D |
| 21:51.00 | Atarii | qwerty12_N800 |
| 21:51.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii? |
| 21:51.28 | Atarii | has any progress been made on wolf 3d or has the torch been handed down? |
| 21:51.49 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, hai again |
| 21:51.56 | qwerty12_N800 | NullM0dem, :). However much I want to beat it up, I wub my n800 |
| 21:52.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, hi |
| 21:52.05 | Navi | qwerty12_N800, http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3042/ncmpcxz8.png |
| 21:52.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, I may try again |
| 21:52.30 | Navi | Thanks for linking that xterm :D |
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| 21:52.44 | Navi | how do you bind the <> keys though? |
| 21:52.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, Nice! Np :) |
| 21:52.51 | Navi | I can't do prev/next without them |
| 21:53.05 | qwerty12_N800 | No idea, I'll take a look |
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| 21:55.07 | NullM0dem | nice |
| 21:55.54 | Navi | Anyone try out the newest Mediabox? |
| 21:56.03 | Navi | the playlist feature makes it nice |
| 22:00.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi, For > it is "greater". For < , I think it's "less" |
| 22:01.14 | Navi | I'll give it a try |
| 22:01.34 | qwerty12_N800 | I really need to improve my maths, I forgot > = greater than >.> |
| 22:01.42 | Navi | Haha |
| 22:03.23 | Navi | Isn't working |
| 22:03.43 | Navi | nevermind |
| 22:03.45 | Navi | case sensitive |
| 22:04.28 | Navi | yeah |
| 22:04.30 | Navi | it's less |
| 22:04.41 | qwerty12_N800 | cool |
| 22:05.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, I may do a bit of work on wolf to make it playable (make the mouse actually work, run fullscreen) but as you saw from my rott work,I'm useless. |
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| 22:06.36 | Atarii | woo i look forward to it |
| 22:06.51 | Atarii | i played wolf3d so much more than doom when i was younger |
| 22:07.26 | Navi | I played Chex Quest more than the rest |
| 22:07.35 | Navi | Chex Quest was awesome |
| 22:08.49 | qwerty12_N800 | It will be nothing special, just the basics and the rest will probably have to be taken over by a proper dev. Menus need fixing, also using the touchscreen to shoot empties the clip >.> and it runs in 1/4 screen. |
| 22:09.12 | qwerty12_N800 | I think you can still get chex off hotu |
| 22:09.24 | Navi | It's a doom TC, so it should work :P |
| 22:10.50 | qwerty12_N800 | What does it say 'bout your music titles when conky takes over the desktop? :p |
| 22:11.36 | Fatal | that comic sans 72 pt was a bad choice? |
| 22:11.56 | Navi | yes. |
| 22:12.21 | qwerty12_N800 | lol close, nokia sans at 13pt :p. ok, not so close... |
| 22:13.11 | Fatal | :D |
| 22:13.57 | rm_you | so, knowing this is a linux people channel mostly, i'm going to ask a possibly dumb question: does anyone have a favorite/trusted NTFS file recovery/undeletion program? |
| 22:14.41 | lcuk | rm_you, to run on windows or linux |
| 22:14.45 | qwerty12_N800 | aii!!!!!! u dare mention ntfs? arrrrrghhhhh :p. |
| 22:14.58 | rm_you | either >_> |
| 22:15.12 | rm_you | one of my friends deleted a 15 page paper >_> |
| 22:15.29 | rm_you | and apparently it didn't go in the recycle bin... i'm still getting the whole story |
| 22:15.33 | lcuk | just do a google search, most are read only anyway and let you view things before starting |
| 22:15.34 | Fatal | ex friend |
| 22:15.47 | rm_you | I think she deleted an entire folder of stuff and it was too big for the recycle bin >_> |
| 22:15.54 | Atarii | is it vista or xp rm_you? |
| 22:15.57 | rm_you | vista |
| 22:15.59 | Atarii | vista has shadow copy |
| 22:16.05 | Atarii | right click the folder it was in |
| 22:16.06 | rm_you | ? |
| 22:16.13 | Atarii | then goto "Previous versions" |
| 22:16.16 | qwerty12_N800 | not on home premuium |
| 22:16.22 | rm_you | it is probably ultimate |
| 22:16.26 | qwerty12_N800 | (spelling) |
| 22:16.27 | rm_you | out school gives out ultimate >_> |
| 22:16.28 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 22:16.34 | rm_you | s/out/our/ |
| 22:16.46 | Atarii | nice we only got business |
| 22:16.59 | Atarii | but yea goto Previous Versions and open the top one |
| 22:17.00 | lcuk | heh, what i like here is the deep knowledge of MS versions and special features yet you mock and deride them :P |
| 22:17.03 | Atarii | hopefully it will be there |
| 22:17.21 | lcuk | i thought slash was bad |
| 22:17.23 | Atarii | im a Windows fanboy |
| 22:17.26 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:17.26 | Atarii | runs |
| 22:17.31 | qwerty12_N800 | I got home premium but i h8 it so I use xp. |
| 22:17.37 | rm_you | I wouldn't feel comfortable mocking Windoze if I didn't know a lot about it :P |
| 22:17.47 | lcuk | ill be hacking on 810 soon enough :) |
| 22:17.58 | lcuk | for 810, with 810 |
| 22:19.42 | qwerty12_N800 | My friend nearly got sprung when I showed him conkytakes running on my n800. |
| 22:19.54 | qwerty12_N800 | s/conkytakes/conky/ |
| 22:21.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Probably that, kde & canola are my show off stuff. |
| 22:21.24 | rm_you | conky? |
| 22:21.34 | rm_you | has been out of the scene for too long >_> |
| 22:21.39 | qwerty12_N800 | System monitor thing |
| 22:21.50 | Atarii | anyone here, not idling, have success with canola2 on 2008he? |
| 22:22.07 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, I went and compiled it, check the screenies on it |
| 22:22.16 | qwerty12_N800 | s/it/itt |
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| 22:29.55 | NullM0dem | conky!!! |
| 22:30.00 | Navi | :P |
| 22:30.08 | NullM0dem | screenies :p |
| 22:30.16 | Navi | It's output needs to be appletized |
| 22:30.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Check the thread, i'm 2 tired 2 link :p |
| 22:30.38 | NullM0dem | ill look it up |
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| 22:33.00 | qwerty12_N800 | has been going mpd crazy |
| 22:37.17 | NullM0dem | MPD rocks |
| 22:37.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Fo sure! :p :) |
| 22:38.18 | NullM0dem | i just orderd a small embedded arm baord to use as a mpd server :) |
| 22:38.30 | NullM0dem | baord = board |
| 22:38.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Cool :) |
| 22:39.06 | NullM0dem | 500mhz arm 512 ram sata |
| 22:39.26 | NullM0dem | i could pedal power that as well as the n810 :-D |
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| 22:39.45 | NullM0dem | non stop mpd action |
| 22:39.47 | qwerty12_N800 | I went and compiled gimmix earlier. Tooltip information about currently playing track in system tray is nice. |
| 22:39.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Wow, nice :) |
| 22:40.41 | NullM0dem | i have had my n810 for aover a wek and just got root yesterday :( Working too much these days |
| 22:41.28 | NullM0dem | gimix is nice |
| 22:42.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Except for missing icons and small volume control, it worl |
| 22:42.36 | qwerty12_N800 | works ok |
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| 22:42.50 | NullM0dem | cool |
| 22:43.55 | qwerty12_N800 | mmpc is better though imo (more maemo suited) but Navi's ncurses client looks good too (no, not a hint to get it :p) |
| 22:56.33 | NullM0dem | ill check it out, I have a book on ncurses programming, bought it to do that very same thing ;) |
| 22:56.53 | NullM0dem | whats the name of navis client? |
| 22:57.08 | pupnik | i need to launch an xterm and set the font size reliably |
| 22:57.14 | pupnik | from script |
| 22:57.21 | KotCzarny | -fn something |
| 22:57.46 | pupnik | hrmmm |
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| 23:10.47 | pupnik | KotCzarny: the ThinkGeek 8-bit tie http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats-ties/9352/ |
| 23:10.55 | pupnik | ... i am in AWE |
| 23:11.01 | KotCzarny | i have seen it already |
| 23:11.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:11.06 | lopz | back |
| 23:11.55 | jldiaz | has got his n810 usb in host mode for first time |
| 23:13.31 | KotCzarny | breakfast time |
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| 23:14.32 | jldiaz | is it usb 2.0? |
| 23:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 23:17.12 | Atarii | that tie is awesome lol |
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| 23:18.42 | jldiaz | I connected my thumbdrive without problem. However... what is the simplest way of unmounting it? |
| 23:19.12 | jldiaz | I issued as root "umount /media/usb/sda1", but there must have a simpler way |
| 23:19.59 | jldiaz | (must be) |
| 23:20.07 | KotCzarny | well, you can try adding it to personal menu |
| 23:20.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:20.28 | jldiaz | there is no simpler way? From the file manager, for example? |
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| 23:20.57 | |thunder | wassup party ppl |
| 23:21.02 | |thunder | got a Q |
| 23:21.21 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: file manager would call umount too |
| 23:21.22 | |thunder | Can maemo act as a pulse audio client/server ? |
| 23:21.47 | jldiaz | I tried the contextual menu holding the stylus on the mounted filesystem, but in that menu there is no "umount" option |
| 23:21.56 | |thunder | that would be tits if i could use my n800 as a pulse audio client.. |
| 23:22.07 | Mousey | mmmm, tits |
| 23:22.12 | |thunder | umount not working ? |
| 23:22.29 | |thunder | use mount to see it |
| 23:22.34 | |thunder | and umount to unmount it |
| 23:22.47 | jldiaz | yes, that's what I did |
| 23:22.56 | |thunder | no working ? |
| 23:22.57 | jldiaz | but it requires command line and root access |
| 23:23.01 | jldiaz | yes it worked |
| 23:23.10 | |thunder | ohh, you want it auto mated |
| 23:23.12 | jldiaz | but I was wondering if there is any GUI oriented way |
| 23:23.15 | KotCzarny | not root if you add it into /etc/fstab |
| 23:23.16 | |thunder | try 'wizard mounter' |
| 23:23.38 | jldiaz | aha, good tip KotCzarny |
| 23:23.59 | jldiaz | btw, how can I have sudo working? |
| 23:24.11 | |thunder | os2008 ? |
| 23:24.17 | jldiaz | yes |
| 23:24.29 | |thunder | its already there |
| 23:24.35 | |thunder | just run 'sudo gainroot' |
| 23:24.39 | jldiaz | is there, but never worked for me |
| 23:24.41 | |thunder | if you see a # insted of a $ your good |
| 23:24.48 | jldiaz | yes, I can gainroot |
| 23:24.54 | jldiaz | I installed "easyroot" |
| 23:25.03 | jldiaz | which provides the command "root" |
| 23:25.08 | |thunder | gain root is easiest |
| 23:25.12 | NullM0dem | he wants to sudo umount from a script or menu item |
| 23:25.16 | Mousey | or ssh root@localhost |
| 23:25.16 | jldiaz | which basically does a "sudo gainroot" |
| 23:25.20 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: visudo ? |
| 23:25.21 | NullM0dem | without using shell |
| 23:25.22 | |thunder | but I like just plain old sudo lie in ubuntu |
| 23:25.32 | jldiaz | but sudo doesnt work on other commands |
| 23:25.35 | jldiaz | for example umount |
| 23:25.38 | |thunder | easy |
| 23:25.43 | jldiaz | visudo? I'll google that |
| 23:25.51 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: it's a command to edit sudo config |
| 23:26.12 | |thunder | echo umount /dev/whatever | sudo gainroot |
| 23:26.47 | jldiaz | aha, I'm seeing it now KotCzarny |
| 23:26.55 | KotCzarny | almost never used sudo |
| 23:26.57 | |thunder | sounds like a bunch of extra foot work when echoing will do |
| 23:27.29 | jldiaz | |thunder that was also a nice tip |
| 23:28.42 | jldiaz | Hey, do you know how I connected my thumbdrive to my n810? I did not use a usb female-female adaptor, because there are not available in my town, and ordering one through internet would take too long to arrive |
| 23:29.39 | |thunder | are you asking how to do it without a f-f connector ? |
| 23:29.55 | jldiaz | No, I want to share with you how I did it without one |
| 23:30.25 | jldiaz | I found at a local store an USB B-male to A-female adaptor |
| 23:30.56 | jldiaz | and recalled having a USB hub, with a B-female connection |
| 23:31.18 | jldiaz | so I plugged into it the adaptor I bought |
| 23:31.33 | jldiaz | and the nokia cable into the other side of the adapter, and the n810 |
| 23:31.42 | jldiaz | this way, my hub was connected to my n810 |
| 23:31.55 | jldiaz | and I have four A-female ports in the n810 |
| 23:33.22 | jldiaz | nokia(micro USB female)-Nokia cable-Cheap adapter(MA-FB)-Hub |
| 23:33.33 | Atarii | what type of hub? |
| 23:34.13 | jldiaz | do you ask the brand? It is "trust" |
| 23:34.39 | jldiaz | or are you asking if it has his own source power? It does |
| 23:34.42 | Atarii | is it a normal usb hub or a mains powered one? |
| 23:34.58 | KotCzarny | must be powered |
| 23:35.14 | jldiaz | it has an input for plugging a power source |
| 23:35.25 | jldiaz | but in my first attempt I didn't plugged it |
| 23:35.49 | jldiaz | I only plugged a thumbdrive. Is it too much consumption for the n810? |
| 23:35.56 | KotCzarny | 100mA |
| 23:36.12 | KotCzarny | and remember hub also takes some power |
| 23:36.15 | jldiaz | is 100mA enough to power the hub and the drive? |
| 23:36.23 | KotCzarny | do lsusb |
| 23:36.31 | KotCzarny | should be available on pc |
| 23:36.43 | KotCzarny | there you will see powere reqs for usb devices |
| 23:36.48 | KotCzarny | i mean lsusb -v |
| 23:37.12 | jldiaz | apparently there is also a lsusb command on nokia |
| 23:37.18 | jldiaz | I mean, on the tablet |
| 23:37.35 | jldiaz | but it doesn't print anything |
| 23:37.52 | KotCzarny | mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb |
| 23:37.55 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 23:38.03 | jldiaz | in fact, apparently it hung my tablet |
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| 23:39.40 | EruditeHermit | cool the new microb engine seems faster |
| 23:40.21 | EruditeHermit | the one thing that would make it killer is if adobe made flash run faster |
| 23:40.33 | EruditeHermit | flash is so slow |
| 23:40.37 | EruditeHermit | even on my desktop |
| 23:41.04 | shapr | yeah |
| 23:41.06 | shapr | flash bites |
| 23:41.46 | jldiaz | aha, lsusb works on tablet |
| 23:42.37 | jldiaz | but it dumps a lot of informatio... the line of interest is the one labelled MaxPower? |
| 23:42.43 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:42.47 | jldiaz | gasp |
| 23:42.52 | jldiaz | 200mA for the drive |
| 23:42.58 | jldiaz | plus 100mA for the hub |
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| 23:43.11 | KotCzarny | it's usually max power |
| 23:43.18 | jldiaz | 200mA for a thumbdrive is too much, isnt? |
| 23:43.22 | KotCzarny | normal |
| 23:43.40 | KotCzarny | my sandisk 256mb stick lists 200mA too |
| 23:44.10 | jldiaz | then, basically, you can't plug anything into the usb port of the n810... |
| 23:44.29 | KotCzarny | not without powered hub/injection |
| 23:44.46 | jldiaz | and thus the f-f solution is not valid |
| 23:45.07 | KotCzarny | it is, assuming power reqs |
| 23:45.09 | jldiaz | which, however, is what all people apparently uses |
| 23:45.47 | jldiaz | yes, of course, what I mean is that, since a modest thumdrive already exceeds the power reqs, the f-f solution has not much practical value |
| 23:46.01 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 23:46.11 | Mousey | KotCzarny: but what about plugging in an n800 to an n810? |
| 23:46.13 | KotCzarny | keyboard |
| 23:46.15 | KotCzarny | for example |
| 23:46.19 | jldiaz | how much a keyboard consumes? |
| 23:46.37 | KotCzarny | mousey: how much n8x0 usb is rated? |
| 23:46.38 | jldiaz | I'm planning to buy one, what should I take into account? |
| 23:46.45 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: specs |
| 23:46.51 | KotCzarny | should be printed on the bottom |
| 23:46.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:46.57 | jldiaz | :) |
| 23:46.57 | Mousey | KotCzarny: i donno, i was just thinking, say isn't an n800 self-powered? |
| 23:47.02 | KotCzarny | or just rip out leds |
| 23:47.09 | KotCzarny | to lower reqs a little |
| 23:47.18 | jldiaz | do you know about these flexible keyboards? |
| 23:47.32 | KotCzarny | mousey: as i said, don't know, connect nokia to ps and do lsusb -v there |
| 23:47.39 | Mousey | jldiaz: afaic, the keyboard on the n810 is the only reason i got one |
| 23:47.41 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: i use bt one |
| 23:48.08 | Mousey | i can walk around campus with a tethered phone and never have to look up from pidgin with the n810 keyboard |
| 23:48.29 | jldiaz | Mousey, I'm happy with the n810 keyboard |
| 23:48.31 | Mousey | and/or xchat, and whatever else i'm doing, including listening to music |
| 23:48.44 | jldiaz | it is great for typing while walking, or standing, or laying in bed |
| 23:48.56 | Mousey | yah, the n810's keyboard wasn when i decided nokia truely needed my monies |
| 23:49.29 | jldiaz | but recently I've found myself more frequently typing in the n810 keyboard while sitting in a desktop |
| 23:49.37 | jldiaz | and there, I missed a real keyboard |
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| 23:49.58 | jldiaz | this is my main motivation for trying the usb host mode |
| 23:50.03 | vo | i do some development using vnc to my n810 |
| 23:50.15 | vo | so it just sits there on my desk |
| 23:50.19 | jldiaz | vo, me too |
| 23:50.26 | jldiaz | and vi through ssh |
| 23:50.34 | KotCzarny | mc is better |
| 23:50.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.47 | jldiaz | but sometimes I do not have a desktop computer nearby |
| 23:50.55 | jldiaz | only my n810, my phone and me :-) |
| 23:51.05 | KotCzarny | no girls allowed? |
| 23:51.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:51.13 | jldiaz | :) |
| 23:52.23 | jldiaz | grrr, I can't test a keyboard over usb. All keyboards I have nearby now are ps2 |
| 23:52.40 | KotCzarny | some are compatible with usb |
| 23:52.45 | KotCzarny | assuming you have an adapter |
| 23:52.49 | jldiaz | supposedly it is only to plug and play? |
| 23:52.58 | jldiaz | no configuration or tweaking needed? |
| 23:53.10 | KotCzarny | afair, noe |
| 23:53.11 | KotCzarny | no |
| 23:53.16 | jldiaz | amazing |
| 23:53.21 | jldiaz | I can't wait |
| 23:53.32 | KotCzarny | but i can be wrong |
| 23:53.39 | KotCzarny | because i haven't tested it |
| 23:53.42 | jldiaz | I tried to plug a mouse, but nothing happened |
| 23:54.05 | jldiaz | is it possible to have maemo to display a mouse pointer? |
| 23:54.09 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:54.11 | vo | yes |
| 23:54.17 | Navi | There are a few threads on ITT on it |
| 23:54.29 | KotCzarny | for a simple solution rename cursors folder in /usr/share |
| 23:54.30 | jldiaz | I have to check that |
| 23:54.34 | KotCzarny | and reboot |
| 23:55.00 | jldiaz | this can be useful in combination with the wiimote control |
| 23:55.09 | jldiaz | and x11vnc |
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| 23:55.32 | lcuk | what would i use if i wanted to move my mouse and type on my keyboard but the presses are forewarded to my 810 |
| 23:55.57 | KotCzarny | x2x |
| 23:55.59 | lcuk | not the screen though ,its still useful seeing big monitor above |
| 23:56.19 | jldiaz | lcuk, I don't quite understand you |
| 23:56.26 | KotCzarny | or vnc |
| 23:56.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:57.09 | lcuk | im typing now on my desktop, can i run a tiny program here in windows which when its got focus will make the PC keyboard send over keystrokes direct to the 810 and also send mouse moves to it as well |
| 23:57.12 | Atarii | synergy lcdd |
| 23:57.15 | Atarii | lcuk* |
| 23:57.52 | KotCzarny | lcuk: for symulating x events just look into xvkbd/xkbd source |
| 23:57.58 | KotCzarny | *simulating |
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| 23:58.06 | lcuk | ive seen videos of similar with cross platform multi headed mice |
| 23:58.09 | jldiaz | KotCzarny, did you refer to /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors |
| 23:58.11 | jldiaz | ? |
| 23:58.18 | KotCzarny | jldiaz: probably |
| 23:58.21 | lcuk | Atarii, thanks ill take a peek |
| 23:59.03 | lcuk | that will be the fastest way to get data into the little device when anything else wont do |
| 23:59.04 | jldiaz | lcuk, probably X-window platforms |
| 23:59.15 | vo | any good software out there for controlling a PC with Maemo? like, to make the tablet into a BT KB/Mouse, etc? |
| 23:59.25 | KotCzarny | vnc |
| 23:59.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:59.34 | NullM0dem | marbles is hurting my brain |
| 23:59.39 | vo | ahh |
| 23:59.40 | jldiaz | the closest solution using windows is to run x11vnc in the tablet and a vnc client in windos |
| 23:59.41 | Navi | I beat marbles |
| 23:59.46 | NullM0dem | i bet you did |
| 23:59.48 | NullM0dem | :-P |
| 23:59.53 | Navi | a day later, I had to reflash |
| 23:59.58 | Navi | I was very disappointed |
