| 00:00.39 | lopz | hi |
| 00:03.54 | skibur | :] |
| 00:04.41 | zakm | hi .. my nokia is just all white |
| 00:04.49 | zakm | it was fine .. then i shut it off.. then i turned it on |
| 00:04.51 | zakm | and it stays white |
| 00:04.54 | zakm | i tried charger .. etc |
| 00:05.02 | zakm | and then it goes like |
| 00:05.05 | zakm | silver? and freezes |
| 00:05.09 | zakm | like really odd looking |
| 00:05.16 | zakm | alot of veritcal lines |
| 00:05.19 | KotCzarny | wsod |
| 00:05.23 | KotCzarny | white screen of death |
| 00:05.25 | zakm | how do i fix? |
| 00:05.32 | KotCzarny | google for 770 wsod |
| 00:05.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:06.16 | zakm | it was working fine two seconds ago -.- |
| 00:06.44 | KotCzarny | people die too |
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| 00:07.16 | zakm | lol |
| 00:07.20 | zakm | not the same thing lol |
| 00:07.46 | KotCzarny | yeah, electronics can be fixed after death |
| 00:07.51 | KotCzarny | by replacing some parts |
| 00:08.53 | zakm | no way |
| 00:08.55 | zakm | i just bought it |
| 00:08.57 | zakm | :( |
| 00:09.00 | zakm | i dont have money to fix it |
| 00:09.08 | zakm | i spent all my money |
| 00:09.09 | KotCzarny | probably just software thing |
| 00:09.53 | zakm | it wont connect to pc? |
| 00:10.35 | KotCzarny | can't help you more than directing to google |
| 00:10.47 | KotCzarny | because i don't own a 770 |
| 00:10.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:11.25 | zakm | reflashing it |
| 00:11.26 | zakm | -.- |
| 00:11.29 | zakm | luckily pc recognizes it |
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| 00:12.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:12.41 | KotCzarny | you will get used to reflashing |
| 00:14.22 | zakm | lol |
| 00:14.31 | zakm | now i have a black box? |
| 00:14.33 | zakm | in the center lol |
| 00:14.35 | zakm | and thats it |
| 00:14.53 | zakm | reflashing didnt help :( |
| 00:14.56 | jott | zakm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7770 does not sound that promising |
| 00:15.02 | jott | seems your device is really dead :( |
| 00:15.26 | zakm | i was just using it |
| 00:15.30 | zakm | on gba emulation |
| 00:15.33 | zakm | trying it out? |
| 00:15.37 | zakm | the visualboyadvance from repo |
| 00:15.42 | zakm | pllayed a game.. rebooted it |
| 00:15.48 | zakm | and now its a brick? |
| 00:17.19 | Navi | all rightee |
| 00:17.35 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:17.42 | KotCzarny | if it responds to flasher try different os? |
| 00:17.49 | Navi | reflashed with the latest microb-engine svn installed :/ |
| 00:18.03 | zakm | KotCzarny: you mean like 2008 mameo? |
| 00:18.08 | Navi | Anyone know any good JS benches? |
| 00:18.19 | KotCzarny | zakm: anything |
| 00:18.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:18.36 | zakm | dont have anything else |
| 00:18.40 | zakm | and only a 64mb rs-mmc? |
| 00:18.44 | zakm | im trying 2008 |
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| 00:19.00 | zakm | lcuk: know how to fix a recent WSOD? |
| 00:19.34 | lcuk | never personally seen one and hope i never do, nope sorry |
| 00:20.21 | zakm | omg any thoughts |
| 00:20.25 | zakm | i just bought it off ebay two weeks ago |
| 00:20.28 | zakm | so i have no warranty |
| 00:20.33 | zakm | and im broke financially now |
| 00:20.44 | KotCzarny | from the article jott posted it looks like a hardware issue, device seems to boot |
| 00:21.03 | KotCzarny | i would try reflashing with different os |
| 00:21.13 | jott | lcd controlled seems to be screwed up |
| 00:21.14 | zakm | yeah it boots and all |
| 00:21.19 | zakm | but nothing on screen |
| 00:21.24 | zakm | how? |
| 00:21.27 | zakm | i just rebooted it |
| 00:21.30 | zakm | nothing could've moved? |
| 00:21.48 | zakm | yeah i hear the bootup noise and all |
| 00:21.52 | KotCzarny | lots of things move |
| 00:21.56 | KotCzarny | even if you don't see it |
| 00:21.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:22.23 | zakm | could i open it up and try to fix? |
| 00:22.31 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 00:22.40 | zakm | yeah if i press buttons the screen changes |
| 00:22.40 | KotCzarny | but be aware that connectors are very delicate |
| 00:22.43 | zakm | its like blue and white |
| 00:22.48 | zakm | and when i click .. they like trade spots? |
| 00:23.26 | zakm | yeah |
| 00:23.28 | zakm | i can shut it off |
| 00:23.33 | zakm | its just the screen displaying is wrong |
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| 00:26.01 | zakm | Finishing flashing... done |
| 00:26.01 | zakm | Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown |
| 00:26.03 | zakm | ? |
| 00:26.05 | Navi | Can someone run the sunspider JS bench? |
| 00:26.27 | Navi | I want to compare numbers |
| 00:27.35 | jott | zakm: you could check at you local nokia site if your device still is under warranty (you just need the serial) |
| 00:29.15 | zakm | .. i bought it on ebay? |
| 00:29.41 | zakm | and the warranty finished like a week ago ( seller's warranty ) |
| 00:29.55 | jott | well check if nokia may still provides it |
| 00:30.23 | zakm | i think the person had it for long |
| 00:30.24 | jott | as manufacturer warranty might be longer |
| 00:30.34 | zakm | apparantly nokia's is one year |
| 00:30.39 | zakm | according to forum |
| 00:30.42 | zakm | and the person had it longer |
| 00:30.57 | jott | depends on the country/jurisdiction :) |
| 00:31.43 | zakm | im in Canada |
| 00:33.04 | jott | http://www.nokia.ca/A4485137 just give it a shot, the worse that can happen is a "No!" :/ |
| 00:34.40 | zakm | k thx |
| 00:34.45 | jott | ok a big laughing face and a finger pointing at you could make this more humiliating :P |
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| 00:38.17 | zakm | ? |
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| 00:51.27 | benh | somebody knows a place where I can order a pre-made USB "host" OTG cable for the n810 ? |
| 00:51.37 | benh | something I don't have to solder on to turn it into a host cable ? |
| 00:56.22 | tank-man | i saw one advertisted in a thread on the internettabletforum |
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| 00:57.32 | benh | tank-man: you have an url to the forum ? |
| 00:58.15 | tank-man | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ |
| 00:58.25 | benh | thx |
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| 01:13.36 | Edgester | hi, anyone here? |
| 01:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | Never. |
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| 01:21.35 | Edgester | Anyone compiled the maemo kernel for intel? |
| 01:21.50 | KotCzarny | what's the point? |
| 01:22.21 | Edgester | so I can compile the recommended i386 package for maemo-extras |
| 01:22.27 | Edgester | for openafs |
| 01:22.41 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 01:23.01 | KotCzarny | i still don't get it |
| 01:23.16 | Edgester | In order to upload to maemo extras, I should compile armel & i386 packages |
| 01:23.28 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 01:23.35 | Edgester | openafs requires a kernel module, ergo, I need arm & i386 maemo kernels |
| 01:24.15 | KotCzarny | there is such requirement? |
| 01:25.17 | Edgester | http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html |
| 01:26.20 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 01:26.26 | KotCzarny | interesting |
| 01:26.28 | Edgester | if there is no such requirement,then I've been wasting time |
| 01:27.11 | KotCzarny | have you tried ignoring it? |
| 01:27.15 | Edgester | no |
| 01:27.49 | KotCzarny | that will be the first thing i would do |
| 01:29.36 | lcdd | i just wasted 1,5 hours with amarok which never managed to build the collection |
| 01:30.08 | lcdd | media libraries are so fun |
| 01:30.15 | Edgester | I'll try ignoring it |
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| 01:53.26 | lopz | mmm how -> impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd |
| 01:53.27 | lopz | :S |
| 01:53.56 | lopz | in n800 |
| 01:54.29 | shackan | what? |
| 01:54.58 | lopz | impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd in my n800 shackan |
| 01:55.21 | lopz | when I connect through the usb pc |
| 01:55.24 | shackan | what does that mean? |
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| 01:55.59 | MrDowntempo_ | xchat |
| 01:56.02 | MrDowntempo_ | oops ;-) |
| 01:56.18 | lopz | impossible to connect via USB, MC external in use shackan |
| 01:56.27 | lopz | my english is bad, sorry xD |
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| 02:02.13 | lopz | any ideas ? |
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| 03:14.16 | MajMin7 | hello |
| 03:14.41 | MajMin7 | Is anyone around? |
| 03:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB svn: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677#post178677 |
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| 03:47.13 | Navi | OMG EET BREEKED MAH TABLET |
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| 03:51.01 | Navi | Totally a virus |
| 03:51.51 | n800n | seriously? |
| 03:51.59 | Navi | no |
| 03:52.04 | Navi | >_> |
| 03:53.19 | n800n | that warning really really worked on me |
| 03:53.39 | timely | GeneralAntilles: bah, that guy's taking the fun out of me writing release notes |
| 03:53.40 | n800n | not doing it before backup |
| 03:54.02 | Navi | timely, yeah, that guy is STUPID |
| 03:54.08 | timely | GeneralAntilles: fwiw, there's a file i wrote somewhere that suggests how to generate packages for things for which you don't have debs |
| 03:54.10 | Navi | hides |
| 03:54.40 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles! :P |
| 03:54.43 | timely | Navi: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 |
| 03:55.16 | timely | Navi: anyway, feel free to try using that to make your own debs of the things for which you don't have debs |
| 03:55.24 | Navi | Ehehe |
| 03:55.51 | Navi | I just write my own control scripts |
| 03:56.11 | Navi | It was torture to learn, so might as well |
| 03:56.13 | timely | Navi: for the os shipped packages that don't have debs? |
| 03:56.17 | Navi | Oh |
| 03:56.19 | Navi | kk :D |
| 03:56.37 | timely | working for nokia, i could just grab the debs from the server at work |
| 03:56.39 | timely | but that's no fun |
| 03:56.41 | Navi | Yeah, I reflashed 'cuz I didn't have that stuff. |
| 03:57.01 | timely | anyway, have a read |
| 03:57.03 | Navi | I was pretty angry, but the payoff was all right |
| 03:57.23 | Navi | Better browsing experience |
| 03:57.25 | timely | keep in mind that you almost certainly can't redistribute the .deb's you'd generate in this manner |
| 03:57.36 | timely | but otherwise you can basically safely break and unbreak the device |
| 03:57.43 | timely | because you can reinstall any deb from the original system |
| 03:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, timely, rm_you. :) |
| 03:57.54 | Navi | You guys did nicely on the engine |
| 03:57.59 | timely | thanks |
| 03:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Got the shirt last week, timely. Pure win. :D |
| 03:58.10 | timely | :) |
| 03:58.18 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: got my n800 sort of working again :) |
| 03:58.22 | timely | fwiw, next week i'm starting to write the release notes |
| 03:58.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 03:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | How much soldering did you have to do? |
| 03:58.33 | Navi | timely, sorry to spoil your fun :( |
| 03:58.40 | Navi | Woo, release notes |
| 03:58.45 | Navi | Those are awesome |
| 03:58.48 | timely | this week i'm trying to finish off an arch doc from last year that got sidelined |
| 03:58.55 | timely | Navi: they're so time consuming |
| 03:59.09 | timely | i presume you've read the older ones and the corresponding changelogs? |
| 03:59.11 | Navi | Indeed, I read through all of them |
| 03:59.29 | Navi | It's a time killer |
| 03:59.44 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i took it apart and played with stuff |
| 03:59.51 | rm_you | i think it is just bas flash memory tho |
| 03:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | Now it just works? |
| 03:59.53 | timely | nods |
| 03:59.58 | rm_you | i did a reflash |
| 04:00.03 | timely | it really does take weeks to convert those things into human readable text :( |
| 04:00.05 | Navi | plus, I feel it's like an obligation |
| 04:00.07 | rm_you | i think it just gets corrupted after a little bit |
| 04:00.14 | Navi | devs work hard on it |
| 04:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
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| 04:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | I had a really great idea for adv-backlight last week, but now I've completely forgotten it. :< |
| 04:00.53 | Navi | Heh |
| 04:00.57 | timely | heh |
| 04:00.57 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: >_< |
| 04:00.59 | Navi | usuk dood |
| 04:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | You ever get around to getting it in Extras? |
| 04:01.07 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I think you have access to the bugtracker / whatever on garage |
| 04:01.17 | Navi | still wasn't in there, last I checked |
| 04:01.30 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no >_>_ |
| 04:01.36 | Navi | I'm too lazy to get on ITT and grab it from there |
| 04:01.37 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i still have no idea wtf is going on with that |
| 04:01.42 | rm_you | no one ever responded to my emails |
| 04:01.49 | Navi | It's not like I change the backlight anyways |
| 04:01.57 | GeneralAntilles | Bug X-Fade |
| 04:02.28 | timely | Navi: anyway, i'd like to know if those scripts actually work for someone |
| 04:02.41 | Navi | Oh, I'll give it a go in a sec |
| 04:02.45 | rm_you | anyways, i'll be working on it again after finals |
| 04:02.45 | timely | i wrote them for myself a while ago |
| 04:02.57 | timely | when i wanted to install the beta browser on an older os release |
| 04:03.21 | Navi | heh |
| 04:04.03 | Navi | I removed a huge amount of things on my second reflash |
| 04:04.13 | timely | packages you don't like? |
| 04:04.16 | Navi | Yeah |
| 04:04.21 | timely | like the content indexer? :) |
| 04:04.26 | Navi | I kept that |
| 04:04.30 | timely | aww |
| 04:04.32 | timely | speaking of which |
| 04:04.38 | timely | i should write a package that replaces it |
| 04:04.50 | timely | unless someone else already has |
| 04:05.08 | Navi | I just removed small stuff like sketch, pdf reader, notes, etc etc |
| 04:05.20 | lcdd | GeneralAntilles: it would be nice if the backlight dialog went away by poking anywhere on the screen. close when losing focus? |
| 04:05.28 | timely | it should be simple... main () { register_for_sigs; while(1) { sleep(1000000); } return 0; } |
| 04:05.39 | Navi | I didn't really mind having them there, it's just annoying that they're taking menu space |
| 04:05.46 | timely | heh |
| 04:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | A consequence of the container, lcdd. |
| 04:05.53 | timely | you can move them to some other part of the menu... |
| 04:05.58 | Navi | I know |
| 04:06.03 | lcdd | GeneralAntilles: no way around it? |
| 04:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody figure out how Nokia gets those sliders in their default applets. . . . |
| 04:06.15 | Navi | but I don't like having to scroll in the menu |
| 04:06.15 | timely | ? |
| 04:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you ran into a wall trying to figure it out. |
| 04:06.27 | timely | GeneralAntilles: which sliders? |
| 04:06.29 | lcdd | hmm. |
| 04:06.46 | GeneralAntilles | The ones for backlight and volume applets |
| 04:07.01 | rm_you | it's like... Nokia's most closely guarded secret |
| 04:07.06 | rm_you | wtf container they use for their sliders |
| 04:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:07.16 | Navi | I had more than 6x6 desktop files, so there were too many menu entries |
| 04:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | If they gave that up, then Apple would win, rm_you. :D |
| 04:07.24 | Navi | s/6x6/36/ |
| 04:07.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:07.55 | timely | isn't that something you can figure out by tapping the gtk libs? |
| 04:07.56 | rm_you | it's sooo stupid. |
| 04:08.00 | rm_you | timely: no |
| 04:08.05 | timely | why not? |
| 04:08.19 | timely | gtk has create_object and set_parent or something |
| 04:08.31 | timely | create object should let you get an object name |
| 04:08.35 | rm_you | timely: I spent more than 24 hours over the course of a week or two trying to find out what container their stock backlight/sound apps use |
| 04:08.46 | timely | rm_you: brother. i'll look today |
| 04:08.53 | rm_you | :P |
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| 04:09.15 | rm_you | i have NO idea why the BACKLIGHT APPLICATION is closed source. i mean... seriously :P |
| 04:09.31 | MajMin7_ | hey.. can anyone offer some advice about installing the environment for the N810 |
| 04:09.34 | MajMin7_ | I'm stuck |
| 04:09.58 | MajMin7_ | the instructions that I find aren't really helping much |
| 04:09.59 | timely | rm_you: for starters, there's a default of writing closed source |
| 04:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I talked Khertan into writing up a Home applet for the light-meter output. ;) |
| 04:10.11 | timely | you have to spend significant effort trying to get approval to open source |
| 04:10.34 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: :P |
| 04:10.41 | rm_you | ah :/ |
| 04:10.44 | Navi | I figured that was the way things went |
| 04:10.54 | rm_you | I guess that makes sense... It isn't ideal, but it makes sense : |
| 04:10.57 | rm_you | :/ |
| 04:11.01 | Navi | My Intermediate C professor told me about his buddy |
| 04:11.22 | Navi | He "leaked" three lines of code |
| 04:11.37 | Navi | leaked being using three lines of code as an example to someone |
| 04:11.47 | timely | there are various things that have to be considered |
| 04:11.56 | Navi | and he had to write a long report on why those three lines are insignificant |
| 04:12.03 | timely | someone has to ask "is there a business case" |
| 04:12.29 | timely | someone has to ask "are you sure there isn't some IPR that we're trying to protect elsewhere" |
| 04:12.32 | timely | ... |
| 04:12.35 | timely | it's painful |
| 04:12.56 | timely | and sadly rewriting code seems to be something that people are willing to pay for |
| 04:12.59 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what's the name of the binary backlight-applet package? |
| 04:13.04 | Navi | Heh |
| 04:13.16 | timely | so the standard "the community will maintain it and save us money" explanation doesn't hold |
| 04:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno off-hand, rm_you. |
| 04:13.23 | Navi | Gets jobs for developers :D |
| 04:13.26 | rm_you | k, i'll look it up |
| 04:13.45 | timely | dpkg -S / dpkg -L are my friends? |
| 04:15.29 | GeneralAntilles | timely, any chance whether you could comment on whether SSU will bring us more frequent MicroB updates? ;) |
| 04:15.44 | timely | i can't comment on SSU |
| 04:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, damn. |
| 04:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | goes back to crossing his fingers. |
| 04:15.59 | timely | afaik the goal is to use SSU for future updates |
| 04:16.05 | timely | i had actually hoped to use SSU last year |
| 04:16.28 | GeneralAntilles | So I recall. |
| 04:16.30 | timely | (or at least the repository system) to push a browser update |
| 04:16.48 | timely | my understanding is that w/ diablo SSU is really theoretically ready |
| 04:17.02 | timely | sadly the SSU people bugged us just last week about problems |
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| 04:17.18 | timely | and they were strange things like "your package breaks recovery mode" |
| 04:17.27 | timely | to which we asked "why were you in recovery mode" |
| 04:17.31 | timely | they didn't have an answer for that |
| 04:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | :\ |
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| 04:18.05 | timely | that stuff is basically one state mess |
| 04:18.09 | timely | our packages use gconf |
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| 04:18.11 | Navi | Mmm |
| 04:18.15 | timely | but in recovery mode, gconf isn't running |
| 04:18.29 | Navi | You guys and your buzzwords :D |
| 04:18.34 | timely | but afaiu recovery mode needs to be able to recover really low levels of the system |
| 04:18.38 | timely | including things before gconf |
| 04:18.49 | timely | so they simply can't just "start gconf" before recovering |
| 04:18.55 | timely | oh, i have no clue what recovery mode is |
| 04:19.06 | timely | all i can tell is that it's some mode where most of the platform isn't running |
| 04:19.12 | timely | SSU is system software update |
| 04:19.18 | timely | or if it isn't, it's something like that |
| 04:19.23 | timely | maybe it's seamless software update? |
| 04:19.35 | timely | it's generally like windows update |
| 04:19.43 | timely | you get an indicator light in the notification area |
| 04:19.49 | timely | it tells you what's available for updating |
| 04:19.58 | timely | you choose to take the update, it downloads it, and installs on the fly |
| 04:20.15 | timely | don't ask me about reboot stories, my guess is that enough stuff changes you'd need *one* |
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| 04:21.01 | timely | goes back to reading spam |
| 04:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | Seamless Software Update |
| 04:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | At least according to the press release |
| 04:21.18 | Navi | Spam is awesome |
| 04:21.50 | timely | i'd make a joke about healthy breakfasts, but spam isn't kosher |
| 04:21.59 | Navi | Haha :D |
| 04:25.13 | timely | GeneralAntilles: glad to see someone reads the press releases |
| 04:25.20 | timely | i'm really annoyed that the maemo-developers@ people don't |
| 04:25.30 | timely | is it really that hard to understand that diablo is *not* a new os? |
| 04:25.59 | Navi | ZOMG, Diablo = Ubuntu??? |
| 04:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 04:26.29 | timely | Navi: how are those scripts doing? :) |
| 04:26.37 | Navi | Hey, was there the underlining of misspelled words in the microb-engine on chinook |
| 04:26.40 | Navi | Oops :D |
| 04:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't think most of those people had an issue with understanding that it's a dot release |
| 04:26.45 | Navi | I'll do that now |
| 04:26.53 | n800n | is there a way to make the status bar longer soit fits more? |
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| 04:27.13 | GeneralAntilles | I just think there may have been some higher expectations regarding dot releases based on previous experience. |
| 04:27.21 | timely | n800n: the theming is kinda designed assuming a certain widget |
| 04:27.56 | timely | GeneralAntilles: i'll need to recheck what changed between chinook and its predecessor |
| 04:28.13 | timely | and if you think our buzzwords are bad. keep in mind that i don't remember the public name of the thing before chinook |
| 04:28.20 | GeneralAntilles | Between Chinook and Bora? A lot. :P |
| 04:28.31 | n800n | i hate having to decide between statusbar clock and loadapplet. |
| 04:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | Probably the most yet. |
| 04:29.14 | timely | n800n: in theory i think enough of hildon-desktop is open |
| 04:29.15 | GeneralAntilles | But the .0/.1/.2 changes have usually been a little bit bigger than "minor". |
| 04:29.34 | timely | that you could rewrite it to have more space |
| 04:29.41 | n800n | no complaints |
| 04:29.45 | timely | n800n: btw, what are the other ones you're using? |
| 04:29.52 | timely | because iirc you have 5 slots + overflow |
| 04:29.59 | timely | which means you have 3 others ... |
| 04:30.03 | n800n | default ones |
| 04:30.14 | n800n | excep xchat i guess |
| 04:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | I recall alterego working on a theme-based solution for more statusbar applets, but I don't know if he got anywhere. |
| 04:30.36 | n800n | sb clock takes double the space |
| 04:30.45 | timely | ah |
| 04:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | n800n, get advance backlight and kill the backlight and volume ones. ;) |
| 04:30.56 | timely | ok, but do you use/need wifi? |
| 04:31.01 | timely | do you use/need battery? |
| 04:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off xchat, too |
| 04:31.13 | timely | do you use/need presence? |
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| 04:31.19 | n800n | stopt making fun of mr |
| 04:31.22 | n800n | me |
| 04:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | Highlights show in the notifications area, anyway. |
| 04:31.42 | timely | you can reorder those to the overflow section |
| 04:31.50 | n800n | yeah |
| 04:31.59 | rm_you | our main recommendation is advanced-backlight applet :P |
| 04:32.03 | GeneralAntilles | ^^ |
| 04:32.26 | n800n | safe? |
| 04:32.28 | timely | pokes Navi |
| 04:32.31 | Navi | ? |
| 04:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | loves being able to read at night. |
| 04:32.48 | timely | how's the script? :) |
| 04:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | Perfectly, n800n. |
| 04:32.53 | timely | or how are the debs, whichever |
| 04:32.58 | n800n | ok |
| 04:33.05 | MajMin7_ | can anyone help me with maemo/scratchbox installation? |
| 04:33.06 | n800n | got a deb link? |
| 04:33.09 | Navi | timely, yeah, I decided to install ssh first |
| 04:33.11 | MajMin7_ | whats the best readme? |
| 04:33.17 | timely | you don't have ssh? oops |
| 04:33.20 | Navi | about to run the script |
| 04:33.32 | rm_you | n800n: adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org i think? |
| 04:33.40 | GeneralAntilles | Remember, he nuked his system screwing with things he shouldn't have? :P |
| 04:33.42 | n800n | ty |
| 04:33.51 | timely | sadly ssh+sshd are part of the r&d images we use, and i always install them first on my release images, so i don't remember if they aren't standard :) |
| 04:34.13 | Navi | timely, oh yeah, I already installed the browser packages and stuff |
| 04:34.19 | Navi | should it still work? |
| 04:34.40 | timely | Navi: the scripts are more for making a generic deb for something for which you don't have a deb |
| 04:34.45 | Navi | mmk |
| 04:34.48 | timely | you're not trying to actually install this old browser |
| 04:34.52 | timely | that'd be kinda silly :) |
| 04:35.21 | timely | i'm just suggesting that you try to use it to make debs for any / all packages for which you don't have debs |
| 04:35.23 | timely | e.g. the ones you mentioned |
| 04:36.18 | timely | i don't remember how comprehensive the script is, i think it's even possible to grab postinst/preinst files from the dpkg staging area if you're really greedy |
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| 04:37.00 | timely | hi dougt |
| 04:37.21 | dougt | timely: how are you doing? |
| 04:37.35 | Navi | weird |
| 04:37.38 | Navi | errors |
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| 04:37.49 | timely | pretty good. this week i'm doing architecture documentation. next week i start writing browser release notes (i hope) |
| 04:37.57 | timely | Navi: pastebin.mozilla.org |
| 04:37.58 | n800n | this is smart |
| 04:38.04 | n800n | ty |
| 04:38.10 | timely | you have <10mins before my network flakes |
| 04:38.19 | Navi | kk |
| 04:38.35 | timely | in ~100mins i'll probably only be on irc.mozilla.org (join #foxymonkies and ask someone how to find me) |
| 04:38.46 | Navi | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/424613 |
| 04:39.13 | timely | oh |
| 04:39.18 | timely | that's not really a script to run |
| 04:39.24 | Navi | >_> |
| 04:39.29 | timely | that's for reading :) |
| 04:39.44 | Navi | zomgnoautomization? |
| 04:39.59 | timely | the automation wouldn't get you the packages you want anyway :) |
| 04:40.07 | Navi | Heh |
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| 04:40.53 | timely | # this is run on a device running 4.2007 |
| 04:40.57 | timely | read around there |
| 04:41.18 | timely | i think the .sh files are actually in the same directory |
| 04:41.34 | timely | so you can just download them instead of copying the code to generate them out of the web page |
| 04:42.06 | Navi | "note that the resultant debian packages are probably not legally distributable" |
| 04:42.08 | Navi | Lol |
| 04:42.27 | timely | you're not distributing them, just using them to put files back onto your own device |
| 04:42.33 | Navi | I know |
| 04:42.40 | Navi | But I like the "probably" |
| 04:42.48 | timely | but actually, the legalese for updates is really strange |
| 04:43.00 | timely | my reading is basically if you own two n800s, you can only update one of them :) |
| 04:43.14 | timely | IANAL |
| 04:43.15 | Navi | >_> |
| 04:43.19 | Navi | Lol |
| 04:43.30 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, you hear that? |
| 04:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:44.06 | Navi | Ah damn, no perl |
| 04:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | I'll do what I damn well please with my own devices tyvm |
| 04:44.25 | timely | Navi: eww |
| 04:44.26 | Navi | Unless it comes with it? |
| 04:44.46 | timely | GeneralAntilles: be my guest |
| 04:44.49 | n800n | ok something really weird with adv backlight |
| 04:44.53 | timely | Navi: iirc i had the scripts in two pieces |
| 04:44.56 | lopz | night |
| 04:45.03 | timely | the pieces that ran on the device which were /bin/sh |
| 04:45.12 | Navi | Confusing O_o |
| 04:45.14 | timely | and the pieces to run in scratchbox, which were perl |
| 04:45.45 | timely | Navi: the microb-3.2007 file explained it ! |
| 04:45.54 | Navi | Hehe |
| 04:46.22 | timely | for someone willing to read changelogs, you seem really unwilling to read afile that's <100 lines |
| 04:46.30 | Navi | I'm tired :D |
| 04:46.45 | Navi | Changelogs are totally restroom reading material |
| 04:46.52 | timely | woke up to finnish news |
| 04:46.55 | timely | heh |
| 04:47.14 | n800n | my status bar is reset, adv-bl is gone |
| 04:47.39 | timely | well, sleep on it, and try it when you aren't asleep |
| 04:48.04 | Navi | Nah, if I do, I won't be able to do anything about it 'till Friday |
| 04:48.16 | timely | heh |
| 04:48.20 | Navi | I shouldn't even be awake |
| 04:48.29 | timely | that'd be a problem. i'm relatively unreachable fridays (american time zone) |
| 04:48.31 | Navi | I have exams tomorrow morning >_> |
| 04:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | n800n, desktop crashed |
| 04:48.57 | timely | anyway, i'm about to be off |
| 04:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Try restarting. |
| 04:49.06 | Navi | k |
| 04:49.10 | Navi | See ya, timely |
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| 04:49.23 | timely | if you need me, dougt can help you find me on moznet |
| 04:49.30 | Navi | kk |
| 04:49.45 | dougt | Navi: it will cost. ;-) |
| 04:49.58 | Navi | I have an american penny |
| 04:50.01 | Navi | Will that do? |
| 04:50.02 | timely | marks a bugmail as not spam |
| 04:50.34 | dougt | did you know that an american pennies' metal content is worth more than a penny? |
| 04:50.40 | Navi | Yep |
| 04:51.22 | dougt | same is true for my 770. |
| 04:51.45 | n800n | hah |
| 04:51.52 | Navi | ^_^ |
| 04:52.06 | n800n | are you steve jobs? |
| 04:52.13 | Navi | That was pretty lame, lol |
| 04:54.09 | n800n | k adv backlight thumbs way up for the control |
| 04:54.39 | rm_you | ^_^ |
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| 05:00.16 | n800n | it flickers a bit on very low light |
| 05:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | Charger in? |
| 05:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | It only does it a little for me when I have the charger in on the lowest 4 levels |
| 05:03.31 | n800n | yeh in |
| 05:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | Try taking it out. ;) |
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| 05:04.49 | n800n | still, on the lowest 3 i think |
| 05:05.50 | n800n | it's ok tho |
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| 05:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | It may get better with time |
| 05:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | My second N800 did it for a bit |
| 05:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | Then stopped. |
| 05:06.58 | n800n | it's a hardware thing |
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| 07:49.56 | gpd | If anyone has a working scratchbox / build environment for chinook - I would be super grateful if you could compile an armel.deb of unison 2.27 |
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| 07:50.20 | timeless | looks around |
| 07:50.22 | gpd | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/net/unison |
| 07:50.26 | timeless | is this thing on? :) |
| 07:50.59 | gpd | sorry: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/unison that one |
| 07:51.11 | gpd | anyway - shot in the dark - but some kind soul may be listening |
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| 07:51.35 | gpd | I compiled unison for bora without problems - but no build env atm. :( |
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| 08:07.09 | timeless | rm_you: how's life? |
| 08:07.26 | rm_you | heh |
| 08:07.31 | rm_you | Javascript? >_> |
| 08:08.10 | timeless | well, i can't very much copy the code as written |
| 08:08.16 | timeless | so what i gave you was pseudo |
| 08:08.18 | rm_you | truth |
| 08:08.19 | rm_you | :P |
| 08:08.29 | timeless | that it happens to resemble a language i speak. well... |
| 08:15.34 | rm_you | ok well.... |
| 08:15.52 | rm_you | did you see exactly what type of Gtk container it is? |
| 08:16.06 | rm_you | i don't see that here |
| 08:16.28 | rm_you | it has a vbox, but that's just a layout container... |
| 08:19.16 | gpd | don't suppose either of you has a build environment and a spare few minutes :)? |
| 08:27.02 | KotCzarny | gpd: what do you need compiled? |
| 08:27.12 | KotCzarny | if it doesn't require many deps i can try |
| 08:27.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:27.20 | KotCzarny | (before i go to sleep) |
| 08:28.52 | gpd | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/unison |
| 08:29.01 | gpd | KotCzarny: unison version 2.27.57 |
| 08:29.15 | gpd | it is not compatible with the 2.13 series that is on maemo :( |
| 08:29.19 | KotCzarny | no debian version? |
| 08:29.27 | gpd | maybe in unstable - |
| 08:29.58 | gpd | no - seemingly still 2.13 in etch :( |
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| 08:30.09 | KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/unison this one? |
| 08:30.14 | gpd | doubt if there is much difference |
| 08:30.33 | gpd | ah - yes - perfect! |
| 08:30.55 | gpd | hmm - there is armel in there anyway - don't suppose those work... |
| 08:31.15 | timeless | well, that's where i got lost |
| 08:31.30 | gpd | have to run - but back in 10 minutes :) |
| 08:31.37 | timeless | it went through the gtk class macro maze |
| 08:32.32 | timeless | i don't really speak gobject/gtk macro maze |
| 08:32.48 | KotCzarny | gpd: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: ocaml-nox (>= 3.10.0-8) liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev (>= 2.6.0-13) chrpath librsvg2-bin (>= 2.18.2) imagemagick |
| 08:32.54 | KotCzarny | crazy deps required |
| 08:33.10 | KotCzarny | more than 5 minutes of work, so i'm off to bed |
| 08:33.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:33.18 | timeless | the soundwindow claims to come from gtkwindow |
| 08:34.55 | timeless | ok, i should have looked at the other thing |
| 08:35.19 | timeless | it's a "statusbar-item" |
| 08:36.05 | timeless | the only thing they do w/ it is position it, move it, and realize it |
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| 08:37.16 | timeless | sorry. there really doesn't seem to be anything else interesting here |
| 08:38.40 | timeless | oh yes, statusbar-item is defined in hildon-desktop |
| 08:38.46 | timeless | so that's probably the key you want/need :) |
| 08:39.41 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/search?string=statusbar-item&find=hildon.*desktop |
| 08:40.09 | timeless | hrm, although oddly, that doesn't actually have a string by that nmae |
| 08:43.07 | timeless | or not |
| 08:43.11 | timeless | shrugs |
| 08:43.25 | timeless | Tempt has changed the topic on channel #opensolaris to OpenSolaris 2008.05 discussion in #os200805 ... |
| 08:43.38 | timeless | boy it's really confusing for two channels to talk about os2008.. |
| 08:43.52 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:44.16 | timeless | yeah, sorry, that is the key |
| 08:44.32 | timeless | the statusbar item it has is derived from the normal StatusbarItem I pointed to |
| 08:44.39 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:44.40 | timeless | it just has a couple of other bits |
| 08:47.45 | rm_you | looking into statusbad-item now |
| 08:47.47 | rm_you | err |
| 08:47.50 | rm_you | *statusbar |
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| 08:49.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:50.00 | rm_you | i completely fail at finding any reference to that in the APIs |
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| 08:56.17 | rm_you | is there supposed to be... like... something here? http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/api-bora/maemo-af-desktop-api/index.html |
| 08:56.43 | rm_you | apparently these APIs are from Bora >_> |
| 08:58.16 | rm_you | oooo |
| 08:58.21 | rm_you | tests |
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| 08:59.14 | gpd | KotCzarny: thanks for trying |
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| 09:02.52 | rm_you | hrm |
| 09:03.02 | rm_you | don't suppose there's any better documentation for this ANYWHERE? |
| 09:03.15 | rm_you | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/StatusbarItem.html |
| 09:03.30 | rm_you | i guess I can just read the header :/ |
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| 09:18.18 | trickie_ | hrw: sorry haven't been near my dev setup to test those modules yet |
| 09:18.24 | trickie_ | hrw: will try to get to it tonight |
| 09:18.32 | hrw | trickie_: ok |
| 09:18.35 | hrw | morning all btw |
| 09:18.57 | trickie_ | morning :) |
| 09:19.46 | timeless | i did a quick check and couldn't find any consumers |
| 09:19.48 | timeless | (public) |
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| 09:27.10 | Saviq | Hi all, I'm trying to install the os2008pl translation package, it installs fine, but what do i do to enable it, do I change the locales? |
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| 09:36.51 | jldiaz | hi |
| 09:37.09 | jldiaz | how can I reinstall the core version of osso-xterm (chinook)? |
| 09:37.33 | jldiaz | I installed recently a newer version, from a .deb that jott prepared from the latest svn snapshot |
| 09:37.56 | jldiaz | but I want to downgrade it again to the original version, for testing purposes |
| 09:39.52 | timeless | so... |
| 09:40.18 | timeless | if you hadn't first upgraded, you could have tried a script i tried to coerce someone else earlier into testing |
| 09:40.36 | timeless | which in theory enables you to build .deb's based on installed software |
| 09:40.40 | AStorm | jldiaz: the unse dpkg |
| 09:40.48 | AStorm | *then use |
| 09:40.49 | timeless | then you could have used dpkg -i to force downgrade |
| 09:40.57 | timeless | astorm: that only works if you have an original deb |
| 09:41.04 | timeless | nokia software is generally missing the debs |
| 09:41.05 | AStorm | yes |
| 09:41.14 | AStorm | hmmm, fqil |
| 09:41.17 | timeless | for reasons which are beyond my ability to explain |
| 09:41.18 | AStorm | fail |
| 09:41.29 | timeless | anyway, if you're intersted in the script |
| 09:41.29 | AStorm | someone would have to package the original |
| 09:41.52 | AStorm | btw, I've a tiny problem with evince |
| 09:42.11 | AStorm | its mime association doesn't open the file |
| 09:42.15 | AStorm | just launches it |
| 09:42.28 | AStorm | how to fix that? |
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| 10:13.46 | jldiaz | sorry, I had to leave for a while. Back again |
| 10:14.05 | jldiaz | so, that was actually my question.. where can I obtain the .deb of the original version? |
| 10:14.36 | timeless | sorry, what i was saying is that http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 |
| 10:14.53 | timeless | has instructions for how to build your own deb from the flashed image |
| 10:15.02 | timeless | *before* you go ruining the image by installing new debs |
| 10:15.14 | jldiaz | oh |
| 10:15.22 | timeless | note that the url is a set of instructions based on doing it for another task |
| 10:15.34 | timeless | and please read the content, there are some fairly important disclaimers |
| 10:15.37 | jldiaz | can it be done from a image file of the flash? |
| 10:15.51 | timeless | as long as you can mount the file? sure |
| 10:16.07 | jldiaz | it has to be run "on-tablet"? |
| 10:16.10 | timeless | it'd take a wee bit more work |
| 10:16.27 | timeless | half of it needs to be done on a file system which has the files from the tablet as they were |
| 10:16.43 | timeless | the other half needs to be done in a place where you have dpkg-deb |
| 10:16.50 | timeless | and my version uses perl for the second half |
| 10:16.52 | jldiaz | oh, well, perhaps I can simply mount the image file on ubuntu, browse and find the osso-xterm executable and copy it to the tablet |
| 10:16.55 | timeless | although you could change how it's written |
| 10:17.10 | timeless | anyway, it'd be nice if *someone* read the url and tried the process :) |
| 10:18.02 | jldiaz | yes :) Thank you for the effort of writing that |
| 10:18.02 | timeless | note that the dpkg commands do support altroot, but you'd need to change the scripts to pass that flag, |
| 10:18.03 | timeless | for some scripts i write, i heavily rely on alt root |
| 10:18.20 | jldiaz | I'm afraid that those concepts are beyond my current understanding |
| 10:18.25 | timeless | for this one, i was using real devices, so i didn't :) |
| 10:19.08 | timeless | http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/ |
| 10:19.12 | timeless | --root=dir |
| 10:19.19 | timeless | view-source:http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/do-dpkg.sh |
| 10:20.37 | jldiaz | oh, you are in the microb team? |
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| 10:23.36 | jldiaz | What is your opinion about the supposed faster speed of firefox3? I'm specially interested in faster javascript execution, because I would like to use TiddlyWiki on tablet, and it is a heavy javascripter |
| 10:23.53 | jldiaz | currently, tiddilywiki works, but it is too slow to be useable |
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| 10:24.03 | timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ |
| 10:24.18 | timeless | i suppose i could write an entry explaining speed |
| 10:24.31 | timeless | i just haven't considered it a good use of my time |
| 10:24.41 | timeless | the short answer is that microb is based on mozilla1.9a1 |
| 10:24.50 | timeless | fennec is based on mozilla1.9b5 |
| 10:25.09 | timeless | a large amount of js perf work has been done between the two (over the course of about a year) |
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| 10:25.41 | timeless | you can run fennec on xulrunner gtk2-cairo today |
| 10:25.58 | timeless | and the general rendering perf will be slower/worse than microb |
| 10:26.10 | timeless | this is according to an unbiased user here |
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| 10:26.40 | timeless | now, if all you care about is javascript performance and not responsiveness, then be my guest, use fennec |
| 10:26.56 | timeless | if you want a customizable/ evolving ui, use fennec |
| 10:27.11 | timeless | keep in mind that i'm also a mozilla contributor. i like mozilla. i want to see it succeed |
| 10:27.16 | jldiaz | I guess I can have both installed, and use fennec for tiddlywiki and microb for general browsing |
| 10:27.25 | X-Fade | Yep, javascript may be faster. But rendering feels a lot slower in Fennec. (Probably because of the kinetic scrolling) |
| 10:27.27 | timeless | but if you want a fast browsing experience, you won't really find that in fennec today |
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| 10:27.39 | pupnik | Is there 'noscript' plugin available for tablets? |
| 10:27.42 | timeless | the embedding guys are working on that |
| 10:27.52 | timeless | i sent the noscript dev a tablet asking him to work on it |
| 10:27.55 | timeless | he got sidetracked |
| 10:28.03 | timeless | he's had his tablet for probably more than 6months :( |
| 10:28.06 | pupnik | boo for him |
| 10:28.14 | timeless | i was hoping to blog about that when it happened |
| 10:28.32 | timeless | please don't make too much of a show about it, a tablet is nice, but being able to put food on the table is more important |
| 10:28.41 | timeless | so is satisfying a significant other |
| 10:28.49 | pupnik | ? i don't |
| 10:28.50 | timeless | in his case, that involved taking her on a honeymoon iirc |
| 10:29.07 | timeless | but yeah, i was hoping to have him port noscript months ago |
| 10:29.18 | pupnik | does this mean it's not a simple compile under scratchbox then? |
| 10:29.53 | timeless | correct |
| 10:29.59 | timeless | since there's no c++ to begin w/ |
| 10:30.02 | timeless | noscript is xul+xbl |
| 10:30.09 | timeless | and microb doesn't have xul |
| 10:30.23 | timeless | basically the entire ui needs to be reworked |
| 10:30.29 | timeless | i think he actually did get part way through it |
| 10:30.37 | pupnik | ok |
| 10:30.46 | jldiaz | there are instructions somewhere about running fennec on OS2008? I'm googling and reading about comparatives, but not about how can it be done |
| 10:30.50 | timeless | you could contact him by email and ask if you could help |
| 10:30.57 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 10:31.01 | timeless | jldiaz: there's a blog from vlad iirc on it |
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| 10:31.05 | timeless | the short thing is that |
| 10:31.07 | timeless | 1. get xulrunner |
| 10:31.15 | timeless | 2. download fennec (there are choices for how you do this) |
| 10:31.21 | X-Fade | jldiaz: There is a link for a deb somewhere. |
| 10:31.23 | timeless | 3. move fennec to the device |
| 10:31.34 | timeless | 4. follow instructions for running fennec |
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| 10:31.57 | timeless | i did it in <10mins on an n800 using the n800's terminal |
| 10:32.04 | X-Fade | jldiaz: http://people.mozilla.org/~vladimir/fennec.install |
| 10:32.04 | timeless | and no, i didn't rely on my knowledge of mozilla |
| 10:32.20 | timeless | as i don't actually use xulrunner much |
| 10:32.27 | jldiaz | thanks for the info! |
| 10:32.41 | jldiaz | I'll try |
| 10:32.56 | timeless | anyway, i hope that was enough of an explanation about microb v. xulrunner |
| 10:33.09 | timeless | they're of course working on improving the perf of xulrunner |
| 10:33.25 | timeless | we're working to make a future (post diablo) version of microb that's a lot faster than today's microb |
| 10:33.31 | timeless | it should be done before 2010 |
| 10:33.39 | timeless | but i don't want people to hold me to that date |
| 10:34.00 | timeless | since i am timeless, which means i have no control over dates or interest in them at all really :) |
| 10:34.36 | jldiaz | :) |
| 10:34.52 | dneary | hi there |
| 10:34.59 | dneary | timeless: You're Josh, right? |
| 10:35.00 | timeless | actually ideally it'd be before 2010, but i'm pretty sure you'll eventually learn that i like |
| 10:35.03 | timeless | dneary: yep |
| 10:35.08 | timeless | nice to meet you (kinda) |
| 10:35.13 | jldiaz | a last question... can I run the fennec.install provided by vladimir without ruining microb or other settings? |
| 10:35.21 | jldiaz | i.e: it is reversible the installation? |
| 10:35.22 | dneary | timeless: I was just wondering where you fit into the decision on the platform for Diabolo |
| 10:35.31 | timeless | no control :) |
| 10:35.39 | timeless | i barely got notice about what would or wouldn't be in |
| 10:35.48 | timeless | we did get enough of a head up many moons ago that glib wasn't being changed |
| 10:35.56 | timeless | and i made that perfectly clear many moons ago on that list |
| 10:36.13 | dneary | timeless: Ah, OK. The way you were talking, it sounded like you'd made the decisions. |
| 10:36.21 | timeless | sorry. |
| 10:36.29 | timeless | i have no control over anything |
| 10:36.35 | timeless | even my own team doesn't listen to me |
| 10:36.43 | timeless | eventually they tend to do what i suggest |
| 10:36.55 | timeless | but i don't get credit because i suggest it long before someone decides to do something similar |
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| 10:37.54 | lardman | timeless: Oh, you're Josh; bloody irc nicks, make things too complicated |
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| 10:38.07 | timeless | most of the mozilla community doesn't know that |
| 10:38.20 | timeless | so don't get too down |
| 10:38.32 | lardman | :) |
| 10:38.34 | lardman | I just emailed you back |
| 10:38.38 | timeless | i generally try to keep my |
| 10:38.41 | timeless | simon? |
| 10:38.49 | timeless | i'm replying.. |
| 10:38.51 | lardman | so you have the same problem ;D |
| 10:38.53 | lardman | yes |
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| 10:43.41 | timeless | i think in your case it may have been mentioned once before |
| 10:43.47 | timeless | personally i prefer to treat people as independent |
| 10:43.54 | timeless | i don't have any reason to tie one to another |
| 10:44.04 | timeless | ideally each persona should get as much respect as it deserves |
| 10:44.08 | timeless | if i'm more helpful here |
| 10:44.13 | timeless | treat me differently, i don't mind |
| 10:44.34 | lardman | hmm, multiple personalities :) |
| 10:44.41 | timeless | i have a number |
| 10:44.46 | timeless | visit moznet and ask :) |
| 10:44.57 | lardman | more whether people know background to an issue, etc., I think anyway |
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| 10:46.16 | timeless | dneary: fwiw. i didn't expect you to have read every bug in bugs.maemo |
| 10:46.21 | timeless | or every thread in maemo-devel |
| 10:46.33 | timeless | the long posters in maemo-devel are different |
| 10:46.51 | timeless | if i remind them about something that was discussed eons ago, it's because they were given warning then |
| 10:47.02 | timeless | in as certain terms as a dev w/o a speaking license could give them |
| 10:47.17 | dneary | lardman = simon, timeless=Josh. |
| 10:47.23 | timeless | and wrt referencing marketing docs... |
| 10:47.25 | dneary | OK, Now I'm getting somewhere :) |
| 10:47.30 | dneary | I'm Dave, by the way ;) |
| 10:47.33 | timeless | dneary: but seriously, i do try |
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| 10:47.43 | timeless | you're also bolsh |
| 10:47.56 | timeless | i do try to keep my real name away from my irc nick |
| 10:48.15 | timeless | when i'm writing from nokia, i'm writing as an employee reminding people about what has already been said |
| 10:48.18 | dneary | right, but I try to avoid that nick anywhere except on irc.gnome.org where I've had it for 10 years now |
| 10:48.32 | timeless | and describing in general how things are at nokia |
| 10:48.38 | timeless | when i'm here, i try to avoid that |
| 10:48.53 | dneary | So, you can help me with my "who's who" |
| 10:48.59 | timeless | while i'm around |
| 10:49.00 | dneary | So far I have the following, more or less: |
| 10:49.08 | dneary | Ari Jaaksi is the boss |
| 10:49.08 | timeless | fwiw this channel is logged |
| 10:49.12 | timeless | it's also googlable |
| 10:49.22 | timeless | as such, i'd rather you use email |
| 10:49.25 | timeless | pick an address |
| 10:49.32 | timeless | timeless@gmail or first.last@nokia |
| 10:49.42 | dneary | Under Ari, there is Carlos and Yannick, Carlos taking care of the software and Yannick the hardware |
| 10:49.42 | timeless | note that @gmail i don't have access to phone book |
| 10:50.00 | timeless | not sure which yannick, but afaik the yannick i know doesn't go near hardware |
| 10:50.11 | timeless | there was a yannick who basically ran applications |
| 10:50.21 | timeless | and carlos basically ran desktop (which is basically platform) |
| 10:50.27 | timeless | carlos may or may not have reported to yannick |
| 10:50.30 | timeless | he probably did |
| 10:50.34 | timeless | but they took down my org chart |
| 10:50.42 | timeless | and as i said, it hasn't been useful post reorg |
| 10:51.05 | timeless | as for who's directly under ari, i only knew that from the old org chart |
| 10:51.15 | timeless | and i generally avoid interacting w/ people above my pay grade |
| 10:51.19 | timeless | it's very hazardous to my health |
| 10:51.41 | timeless | i have a class in 10 mins, that lasts for 90mins |
| 10:51.44 | timeless | and i didn't do my homework |
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| 10:55.24 | dneary | yannick pellet |
| 10:55.37 | dneary | He ran applications? And Carlos is on the platform? |
| 10:55.42 | dneary | I was mixing them up then |
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| 10:57.26 | X-Fade | dneary: Carlos seems to do HAF? And is the QA contact for HAF at least. |
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| 10:57.55 | dneary | HAF? |
| 10:58.04 | dneary | Hildon Audio Framework? |
| 10:58.06 | X-Fade | Hildon Application Framework. |
| 10:58.10 | jldiaz | well.. the installation of fennec was smooth, but the program takes a eternity to load, and I don't see much improvement in speed when loading tiddlywiki |
| 10:58.13 | dneary | Ah - I was guessing |
| 10:58.22 | jldiaz | I'm thinking about uninstalling |
| 10:58.26 | X-Fade | dneary: Close ;) |
| 10:58.35 | dneary | jldiaz: Try a bigger site |
| 10:58.46 | X-Fade | jldiaz: Try slashdot.org ;) |
| 10:59.01 | X-Fade | And enjoy the slideshow. |
| 10:59.04 | jldiaz | tiddlywiki is indeed a big deal |
| 10:59.20 | dneary | Not bigger as in more popular |
| 10:59.25 | dneary | Bigger as in more content |
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| 10:59.36 | jldiaz | and it was my main motivation for trying a browser different from microb |
| 10:59.56 | jldiaz | tiddlywiki is slow on n810, no matter what browser |
| 11:00.10 | jldiaz | in addition, I got installed "minefield". What is this? |
| 11:00.40 | johnx | another firefox based browser |
| 11:00.44 | johnx | have you tried midori? |
| 11:00.44 | X-Fade | jldiaz: You can also try a webkit based browser. I think the is a Midori port on itt. |
| 11:00.51 | X-Fade | heh.. |
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| 11:02.56 | jldiaz | fennec does not have any menu? how can I configure the proxy, change the text size, etc? |
| 11:04.29 | johnx | about:config maybe? |
| 11:06.15 | RST38h | fennec isn't even in beta, afaik |
| 11:06.23 | RST38h | it is alpha-quality package |
| 11:06.39 | RST38h | so you may be better off sticking with MicroB for now |
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| 11:26.05 | lardman | dneary: that format for the email ok? |
| 11:26.18 | dneary | lardman? |
| 11:26.38 | lardman | I just sent one to you & the list |
| 11:27.35 | dneary | Ah - lardman=Simon |
| 11:27.41 | dneary | Excuse me, I'm a little slow |
| 11:27.41 | lardman | yep |
| 11:27.48 | dneary | This stuff takes a while to sink in :) |
| 11:27.55 | lardman | I have the same issues with nicks, yours is great! |
| 11:28.56 | dneary | Thanks :) |
| 11:29.27 | dneary | I took up the suggestion of Karl Fogel a while ago, who said that a simple convention that meant that people would be recognisable by their nicks was good |
| 11:31.28 | Robot101 | whistles innocently |
| 11:31.43 | X-Fade | Hehe ;) |
| 11:32.16 | dneary | X-Fade: You're Niels! |
| 11:32.19 | dneary | Didn't know that |
| 11:32.29 | X-Fade | dneary: Now you know ;) |
| 11:32.57 | X-Fade | I at least have my realname set ;) |
| 11:33.15 | inz | I'm nobody! |
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| 11:34.37 | AsiQ | Hey there, I'm running HE2007, and trying to install gizmo for n800, it says that i'm missing some libs, is there a way to update those libs? tnx |
| 11:34.53 | johnx | AsiQ, what libs? |
| 11:35.06 | dneary | inz: You're Santy! |
| 11:35.08 | AsiQ | 1sec... |
| 11:37.04 | AsiQ | johnx: its: lbatk1.0-0, libc6, libcairo2, libdbus-1-3... and the list keeps on going... |
| 11:37.30 | johnx | are you getting the version for OS2007 or OS2008? |
| 11:37.41 | johnx | also, is it saying those libs are missing or not the right version? |
| 11:38.21 | AsiQ | hmmm i'll check that.... |
| 11:38.31 | AsiQ | and it says that they are out of date |
| 11:39.04 | AsiQ | johnx: tnx man |
| 11:39.15 | johnx | I assume os2007he uses the same libc as os2007, though I'm not sure |
| 11:39.27 | johnx | first thing is to make sure you're trying to get the gizmo version for os2007 |
| 11:39.53 | AsiQ | i'm checking it now.... |
| 11:41.21 | AsiQ | OS: OS 2008 (Chinook)..... |
| 11:41.32 | AsiQ | i'll try to find os2007 version |
| 11:41.39 | johnx | yup, that's not gonna work for you unless you use OS2008HE :) |
| 11:41.57 | AsiQ | tried OS2008HE... too slow... |
| 11:43.40 | johnx | still thinks that using a framebuffer console on the n800 is like the funniest thing ever :) |
| 11:46.11 | AsiQ | well johnx, tnx anyway.... |
| 11:46.28 | johnx | sure, there might be an OS2007 copy of gizmo lying around somewhere |
| 11:46.44 | johnx | have you searched on internettablettalk.com/forums ? |
| 11:46.52 | johnx | there's people over there still using os2007he |
| 11:47.58 | AsiQ | i have a working copy of gizmo for he2007 |
| 11:48.22 | johnx | ah, but you want the latest? |
| 11:48.37 | AsiQ | the problem is that when i try to do a call to a landline... it crashes |
| 11:49.00 | AsiQ | just thought that on v4 it wont crash.... |
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| 12:14.39 | lcuk | lardman, the request email is just about spot on :) hopefully we can get clarification of a few things |
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| 12:18.34 | lardman | lcuk: looks like some are already coming through |
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| 12:21.15 | trickie_ | one was me! |
| 12:21.38 | mrglinux | hi i have some question of nokia n800 with maemo OS ... i want to know does it have compiler..and can i compile c/c++/java program ?? |
| 12:21.43 | lcuk | yer ive just seen |
| 12:21.52 | lardman | trickie_: who are you in real life then? |
| 12:22.03 | trickie_ | lardman: Nick |
| 12:22.10 | lardman | or did I miss that when we were discussing earlier |
| 12:22.18 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 12:22.18 | mrglinux | and does it have shell( bashe or ... )? |
| 12:22.26 | trickie_ | nah i haven't been paying attnetion here today |
| 12:22.45 | lcuk | mrglinux, do you mean compiling directly on the device, or is there a development environment and toolkit - not that it matters, either way yes you can use gcc set to armel both directly on the device and within scratchbox emulated env |
| 12:22.49 | trickie_ | and i cannot spell |
| 12:22.50 | johnx | mrglinux, you generally use scratchbox aka maemo sdk to compile, but you can install gcc onboard. it has ash for a shell. you can code in c or c++, and there is a kind of a beta java version |
| 12:22.51 | lardman | mrglinux: cross compiler and with some effort an on-device compiler I believe; yes it has a shell - ash iirc |
| 12:22.59 | X-Fade | Well, the A-GPS thing is encouraging? :) |
| 12:23.03 | lardman | yes indeed |
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| 12:23.41 | lardman | it's just nice to know; saves the frustration; I'm feeling more relaxed already :) |
| 12:23.52 | mrglinux | excellent |
| 12:24.29 | lcuk | good lardman, we wouldnt like you being stressed :P |
| 12:24.50 | trickie_ | :) |
| 12:24.50 | lardman | :D |
| 12:25.13 | mrglinux | where can i see a complete list of applications and tools for os2007 ? |
| 12:25.36 | johnx | there is a no "one stop, complete list" |
| 12:25.57 | lcuk | there is nearly a complete list if you add all the general repos :) |
| 12:25.59 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 12:26.12 | johnx | look at downloads.maemo.org , gronmayer.com/it (bora = os2007) and internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 12:26.19 | johnx | mrglinux, why OS2007 instead of OS2008? |
| 12:26.35 | lcuk | goes away again |
| 12:26.39 | mrglinux | johnx because i can buy n800 just :P |
| 12:26.57 | johnx | mrglinux, OS2008 is officially available for the n800 |
| 12:27.18 | mrglinux | very good |
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| 12:29.02 | mrglinux | i find n810 with 375$ is it suitable ? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet_W0QQitemZ260236283582QQihZ016QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:29.56 | johnx | suitable? $375 is a pretty good price I think, but I haven't been keeping track |
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| 12:31.58 | mrglinux | johnx and fine a 290$ http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet_W0QQitemZ180238838057QQihZ008QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem is it orginal do you think? |
| 12:32.09 | johnx | I don't know! |
| 12:32.39 | johnx | there are many days left to bid. the price will probably go up. |
| 12:32.49 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 12:33.01 | johnx | I never use ebay so I have no idea |
| 12:33.19 | Jon | that's about half what it would cost in the UK I think |
| 12:33.38 | RST38h | Don't buy from EBay |
| 12:33.56 | RST38h | You will most likely regret it |
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| 12:34.08 | lcuk | look at the recently sold items to get a better guide to the final expected price. but buyer beware, second hand is never as good as having your own unwrapping |
| 12:34.49 | mrglinux | :-( why? RST38h do you suggest where? |
| 12:34.54 | lcuk | RST38h, johnx good advice, would read comments again +++++++++++++++ |
| 12:35.09 | RST38h | mrglinux: I suggest online stores (legitimate ones, not ebay) or retail |
| 12:35.40 | Jon | does anyone know how big the nokia 7710 stylus is? I'm thinking of buying some to use with my n800 |
| 12:35.46 | mrglinux | RST38h:how is amazon? |
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| 12:36.57 | henrique | hi, where can I find an review about three devices (n700, n800 and n810)? |
| 12:37.19 | henrique | also, I need the technical specs, does anyone knows where can I find it? |
| 12:37.34 | Jon | henrique: technical specs are no doubt on wikipedia |
| 12:37.42 | johnx | how technical? like CPU speeds? or circuit diagrams? |
| 12:38.29 | henrique | CPU speeds, RAM and embedded features (like N810's GPS) |
| 12:38.42 | johnx | nokia.com |
| 12:38.54 | Jon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800#Specifications |
| 12:39.18 | henrique | right, but what about the n700 specs or reviews? |
| 12:39.30 | henrique | it seems too hard to find something... |
| 12:39.31 | RST38h | mrglinux: amazon is ok as long as it is really amazon and not one of the small retailers |
| 12:39.39 | Jon | the n770 specs are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N770#Specifications |
| 12:39.40 | Jon | as for reviews... |
| 12:39.47 | mrglinux | johnx can i work with gimp on it? :P |
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| 12:39.54 | X-Fade | Google is your friend for reviews. |
| 12:40.06 | X-Fade | I don't think the 770 is sold anymore. |
| 12:40.18 | johnx | mrglinux, i've gotten it to work ok, but it takes some real hacking. |
| 12:40.22 | Jon | http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/06/most_excellent_.html for an n800 review |
| 12:40.26 | henrique | I don't want to buy a 770 :P |
| 12:40.44 | henrique | I just need to cite them on my presentation |
| 12:41.44 | henrique | Jon, thanks, that link will help a lot |
| 12:41.51 | mrglinux | johnx really? means every work i do with my computer i can do with this :-D |
| 12:42.05 | johnx | mrglinux, yes, but slowly and not easily |
| 12:42.28 | mrglinux | johnx how much? |
| 12:42.31 | lardman | and not at all if you use x86 binary-only components |
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| 12:43.08 | Jon | henrique, nor problem |
| 12:43.11 | mrglinux | johnx can i have webservice like apche and work with php on it? |
| 12:43.27 | johnx | yes, but it will take up most of the RAM to run apache |
| 12:43.28 | mrglinux | **apache |
| 12:43.40 | johnx | running apache at the same time you're trying to use it for web surfing will be S L O W |
| 12:43.48 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 12:43.59 | mrglinux | so i have to buy it |
| 12:44.02 | RST38h | Apache should be ok |
| 12:44.04 | X-Fade | But ngix and php is doable.. |
| 12:44.19 | RST38h | Symbian phones can run Apache (and other applications at the same time) |
| 12:44.28 | johnx | mrglinux, it's a 400Mhz CPU with 128MB of RAM . It's not magic. :) |
| 12:44.33 | RST38h | So, N810 should not have much of a problem, as long as you do not do fancy stuff |
| 12:45.12 | mrglinux | i just have 300$ :-( and can buy n800 just |
| 12:45.39 | johnx | the N800 and N810 are the same hardware, except for the keyboard, gps and a slight difference in the screen |
| 12:45.45 | johnx | same CPU and same RAM |
| 12:46.06 | mrglinux | johnx no n800 cpu's is 320 |
| 12:46.10 | johnx | no, it's not |
| 12:46.13 | johnx | kthx |
| 12:46.45 | mrglinux | johnx http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/19/n800-vs-n810-or-who-should-consider-buying-nokia-n810/ |
| 12:46.45 | johnx | it was running underclocked in OS2007, they clocked it up to 400MHz in OS2008 |
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| 12:47.24 | X-Fade | Yes johnx is right. The cpu is identical. |
| 12:47.47 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 12:47.52 | mrglinux | good |
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| 12:49.56 | timeless | dneary: do you have access to the nokia intranet? |
| 12:50.06 | dneary | timeless: No |
| 12:50.09 | timeless | ok, hold on |
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| 12:50.19 | timeless | please join the channel |
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| 12:51.31 | timeless | /join #dneary |
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| 12:52.07 | lardman | timeless: so is it a retu/tavho issue, or some other value to be found in that trivial piece of code...? |
| 12:52.17 | timeless | hold |
| 12:52.23 | lardman | ok |
| 12:54.03 | timeless | sorry, it's not my area |
| 12:54.11 | timeless | from memory retu/tavho have some hardware value |
| 12:54.29 | lardman | oh yes, I understand that - as they appear in other Nokia products |
| 12:54.35 | timeless | iirc the reasons for this one are the kind that one isn't allowed to discuss |
| 12:54.57 | lardman | ok, so a pretty random sort of reason then; fair enough |
| 12:55.03 | timeless | i think that something similar appears in other nokia products and therefore the feature is probably considered of value |
| 12:55.20 | timeless | whereas with those hardware elements the actual data itself has intrinsic value against the other hardware |
| 12:55.34 | timeless | probably the best comparison is the s60 browser's minimap mode |
| 12:55.41 | timeless | s60's browser is "open source" |
| 12:55.41 | lardman | I see, so it's nothing in the code itself, just what it does and how |
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| 12:55.45 | timeless | except when it isn't |
| 12:55.50 | timeless | minimap is one of those isn'ts |
| 12:56.05 | timeless | if microb wanted to add a minimap feature, we probably couldn't add the feature as open source |
| 12:56.10 | timeless | not because it'd be the same code as minimap |
| 12:56.15 | lardman | Googles for minimap |
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| 12:56.23 | timeless | but because the feature was valuable to s60 as a "differentiator" |
| 12:56.31 | timeless | pokes dneary |
| 12:57.20 | lardman | ah, I see, a bit like the thing the iPod/Phone does |
| 12:57.43 | timeless | ponders |
| 12:57.53 | timeless | maybe |
| 12:58.00 | timeless | i don't know which parts of the iphone stuff is open source |
| 12:58.07 | timeless | that might be a valid comparison |
| 12:58.12 | lardman | overview of page, and you can zoom in - not quite the same, but similar for useability |
| 12:58.28 | timeless | i suppose if you want to draw the line on os x, it's easy |
| 12:58.30 | timeless | Safari is closed |
| 12:58.32 | timeless | WebKit is open |
| 12:58.42 | timeless | minimap or a similar feature might be in Safari |
| 12:58.44 | lardman | ah no, I was wondering what minimap was |
| 12:58.50 | lardman | ok |
| 12:59.08 | timeless | if it's in Safari, then another group at apple could conceviably be blocked from releasing a competing feature to some other open source project |
| 12:59.15 | timeless | if apple worked as nokia does |
| 12:59.22 | timeless | well, this is all hypothetical |
| 12:59.27 | timeless | but that's the best comparison i can offer |
| 12:59.39 | timeless | note that it might be better to write WebCore instead of Safari |
| 12:59.39 | lardman | I can understand that - that's exactly the explanation people ought to be given |
| 12:59.52 | timeless | but i'm not a Safari expert |
| 13:00.08 | timeless | although I am in credits for one of those components :) |
| 13:00.16 | lardman | :) |
| 13:00.32 | timeless | anyway, i'm going to dig into scrollback to try to answer dneary's questions |
| 13:00.34 | timeless | it'll take me a while |
| 13:00.50 | lardman | enjoy; back to MATLAB for me |
| 13:02.24 | timeless | minefield is basically firefox prereleases |
| 13:02.32 | timeless | when firefox is released it's branded firefox |
| 13:02.43 | timeless | until then we don't want people to think that a nightly is of the same quality and has the same testing |
| 13:02.49 | timeless | so the unbranded ones are minefields |
| 13:02.54 | timeless | they could blow up at any time |
| 13:03.33 | timeless | yes, about:config should work in virtually all gecko derivatives |
| 13:03.44 | johnx | wow...that's a remarkably sane approach to prereleases... |
| 13:03.44 | timeless | i can't remember if it works in camino, but i made sure it worked in microb |
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| 13:08.09 | timeless | lardman: the shell is technically busybox's own shell |
| 13:08.14 | timeless | afaiu |
| 13:08.27 | timeless | i don't know that it's fair to call it compatible w/ anything (i could be wrong) |
| 13:08.57 | timeless | johnx: you could have offered the package list that the maemo team published when they compare releases :) |
| 13:09.04 | timeless | usually newbies are interested in baselines |
| 13:09.08 | timeless | not that the baseline is remotely useful |
| 13:09.19 | johnx | I didn't think of it at the time |
| 13:09.30 | timeless | i'm not blaming you |
| 13:09.34 | timeless | more of a future suggestion |
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| 13:09.40 | timeless | you'll know when i'm blaming :) |
| 13:10.04 | johnx | ah, plus he asked for "applications *for* os2007" |
| 13:10.13 | johnx | not applications "in" or "a part of" os2007 |
| 13:10.48 | johnx | I should add something to infobot... |
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| 13:11.46 | johnx | heh...I just accidentally shut my n800 out from all outside contact :) |
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| 13:12.01 | timeless | ifconfig wifi down |
| 13:12.01 | timeless | ? |
| 13:12.07 | timeless | or ifdown wifi ? |
| 13:12.11 | timeless | i did that to one of my boxes |
| 13:12.18 | timeless | i felt really clever |
| 13:12.28 | timeless | i was trying to see if certain boot scripts would work |
| 13:12.34 | johnx | yeah, the best part is when you're like "I'll be clever so I'll do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
| 13:12.41 | timeless | probably software requirements |
| 13:12.48 | johnx | but then the second never gets run because it looses the controlling terminal... |
| 13:12.56 | timeless | ooops |
| 13:13.05 | johnx | screen wins in that case |
| 13:13.41 | johnx | nah, I'm messing around with debian again, so it's not booting to X, and usb is set to host mode, so no usbnet and the screen blanked too |
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| 13:17.31 | trickie_ | johnx: :( i had the same with mamona |
| 13:17.56 | johnx | ah good, this time wifi came up at least |
| 13:18.03 | timeless | johnx: did you want to mention the fcc specs for the nokia devices? :) |
| 13:18.12 | timeless | wonders if anyone put those into the wikipedia article |
| 13:18.36 | johnx | nah, I really want people to just use google :) |
| 13:18.54 | timeless | heh |
| 13:18.56 | timeless | too |
| 13:19.25 | timeless | jon++ for giving out wp urls... although i sure hope those are top hits from google |
| 13:19.50 | timeless | but yeah, it'd be nice if people learned to use google |
| 13:19.57 | timeless | google first, ask questions later. |
| 13:20.30 | johnx | I guess I'm surprised when people take the time to find the IRC channel log on and ask questions instead of typing "n800 technical specifications" into google |
| 13:20.39 | timeless | nods |
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| 13:25.42 | RST38h | some people just can't use google |
| 13:25.59 | RST38h | don't know how to state queries correctly |
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| 13:26.37 | darx | hi, how can i rotate the screen to portrait mode as is shown here http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/tiemu2/ |
| 13:26.56 | darx | I didn't even know that could be done. |
| 13:27.05 | timeless | in theory the platform has support for it |
| 13:27.08 | timeless | kinda |
| 13:27.20 | timeless | the x server doesn't have rotate |
| 13:27.29 | johnx | darx, googled n800 screen rotation, second result was the guide I used: http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 13:27.34 | timeless | but there were bugs filed against components to support alternate angles |
| 13:27.43 | timeless | err dimensions |
| 13:27.48 | timeless | and orientations |
| 13:28.16 | johnx | darx, not however that rotation support is pretty beta, and if you don't know what you're doing may force you to reflash to make your tablet work again |
| 13:28.22 | johnx | *note |
| 13:29.24 | ccooke | heh |
| 13:29.44 | ccooke | Since I installed the rotation support... I have to delete my FBReader config every time I start it |
| 13:29.53 | timeless | johnx: don't suppose you know how the browser toolbar works in that mode? |
| 13:29.55 | timeless | http://sse2.net/rotate/shot02.png |
| 13:29.57 | timeless | has it off |
| 13:30.20 | johnx | it's a little chunky in non-fullscreen IIRC |
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| 13:30.33 | n800n | is there a nintendo ds emu for maemo? |
| 13:30.37 | johnx | I think it either cuts off the back button, or cuts off before the back button |
| 13:30.41 | timeless | lardman: speaking of things that weren't, that was one other ui package that wasn't supposed to be around that had an old version :) |
| 13:30.43 | johnx | n800n, nope |
| 13:30.43 | n800n | mornin. |
| 13:30.49 | n800n | doh |
| 13:31.04 | johnx | n800n, there's a gameboy advance emu though |
| 13:31.06 | timeless | johnx: cool, i expected something like that |
| 13:31.29 | timeless | btw, if you're going to use that mode, i'd suggest you try fennec |
| 13:31.34 | n800n | yeah, seen that |
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| 13:31.38 | timeless | if fennec doesn't work, file a bug, include steps to reproduce |
| 13:31.46 | timeless | including the url to how to setup rotated mode |
| 13:31.59 | johnx | n800n, ds emulation isn't perfect even on the desktop, and the ds has a dedicated 3d processor |
| 13:32.13 | timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fennec |
| 13:32.26 | johnx | timeless, I will if I get back around to installing rotation. That was on a previous flash |
| 13:32.34 | timeless | cool :) |
| 13:32.42 | lardman | timeless: ah, so the bug would still need to be resolved on Nokia's end? |
| 13:32.44 | n800n | so there's not much of a chance huh |
| 13:32.45 | timeless | btw, it's also ok if you file a bug in bugs.maemo against the browse |
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| 13:32.58 | timeless | but file it as an enhancement |
| 13:33.04 | timeless | someone will keep it in mind |
| 13:33.15 | timeless | obviously a screenshot + notes explaining what's wrong would be good |
| 13:33.24 | timeless | note that the browser has a number of different toolbar modes |
| 13:33.32 | timeless | it'd be best if you included pictures for all the broken bits |
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| 13:37.01 | RST38h | n800n: why not buy a real ds? |
| 13:39.23 | n800n | ego |
| 13:39.37 | n800n | n800>ds |
| 13:39.53 | johnx | more like: n800 != ds |
| 13:40.03 | n800n | hah |
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| 13:40.26 | johnx | I will probably get a ds once I have $140 that I don't know what to do with |
| 13:40.42 | n800n | i have to make music on the n800 soon |
| 13:40.52 | n800n | to prove it. |
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| 13:41.52 | n800n | i don't like them anymore |
| 13:42.11 | n800n | they're everywher making people look stupi |
| 13:42.14 | n800n | d |
| 13:42.59 | johnx | ah, the urge to be different by buying things that are unpopular :) |
| 13:43.07 | n800n | i had a songwriting class, this kid brought his ds |
| 13:43.26 | n800n | trying to play music on it live |
| 13:43.36 | n800n | makes you look stupid |
| 13:44.17 | n800n | and here i am with a beautiful touchsvreen an a usb port |
| 13:44.18 | johnx | fair enough. I think that's a pretty good generalization though: trying to use a piece of electronics like a music instrument will often make you look dumb, especially if you aren't very good |
| 13:45.08 | n800n | yeah |
| 13:45.18 | n800n | i'll shut up now |
| 13:45.21 | johnx | :D |
| 13:45.24 | n800n | laters |
| 13:45.45 | johnx | sorry :/ |
| 13:46.27 | johnx | grr...didn't mean to sound so harsh :( |
| 13:50.19 | Stskeeps | hrm, anyone ever tried to make hildon input method work for rdesktop by abusing rdesktop -X (XEmbed/embed into a window with a specified id), and wrapping it in a pygtk wrapper? |
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| 13:53.24 | timeless | sts: why not use the osk.exe from windows? |
| 13:53.56 | jott | johnx: oh, look at http://blip.tv/file/get/Mahalodaily-MD080GameboyMusic172.m4v and http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQcp2Mkt_-A :) |
| 13:53.58 | Stskeeps | timeless: it gets very annoying after a while |
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| 13:54.06 | Stskeeps | and haven't found a good one with good word prediction |
| 13:54.07 | timeless | dneary: so, thoguhts? :) |
| 13:55.56 | johnx | jott, yeah, I need to apologize to n800n if he actually ever comes back to the channel :( |
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| 13:58.26 | jott | something like this korg ds thing would be great on the n8x0 |
| 13:58.42 | Grackle | whee, yes it would |
| 13:58.43 | johnx | wasn't there something already? |
| 13:59.03 | Grackle | http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ |
| 13:59.10 | Grackle | PDa |
| 13:59.14 | Grackle | Puredata anywhere |
| 13:59.21 | Grackle | It's pretty powerful, but ugly as sin. |
| 14:00.01 | jott | johnx: hmm not that i know of (just milkytracker and schism tracker - but those have a different more classical tracker like approach) |
| 14:00.43 | johnx | ah, fair enough |
| 14:02.37 | johnx | hey, cool, confirmation on the sprint+time warner+clearwire+comcast+others wimax deal |
| 14:02.44 | jott | hm this PDa/pure data seems to go in the direction |
| 14:03.45 | Grackle | The provided package installs fine, and there are some example patches. Try out the acid patch. It makes some nice TB-303ish sounds. |
| 14:04.52 | Grackle | It is pretty nice.. It could use some interface work, though, and that may be difficult given that it's all designed to be graphically programmable. |
| 14:05.30 | jott | tcl/tk ugh that.. classy!? :) |
| 14:05.55 | jott | yeah i'll give it a shot later |
| 14:07.11 | jott | i suppose it would be fairly easy to write a decent gui for it for some static patches ;) |
| 14:09.44 | asedeno_work | Someone else interested in OpenAFS? Whoa. |
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| 14:14.38 | Navi | yawns |
| 14:15.24 | Navi | [08:42:55] <johnx> ah, the urge to be different by buying things that are unpopular :) <- Same here. It makes me look cooler :D |
| 14:16.01 | johnx | of course it does. :P |
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| 14:25.15 | Navi | bleh, I hate setting stuff back up after reflashing |
| 14:25.27 | johnx | why the latest reflash? |
| 14:26.18 | Navi | I removed microb-eal (and the packages that depended on it) thinking that I could reinstall them later from the repos. |
| 14:26.23 | Navi | Clearly, I was mistaken |
| 14:26.36 | johnx | ah, yeah |
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| 14:27.01 | Navi | qwerty12, I don't know how you can stand setting up crap again after reflashing :P |
| 14:27.24 | qwerty12 | I know :(. I'm just doing a bit here and there now. |
| 14:27.44 | qwerty12 | I don't have the motivation anymore after about 30+ flashes now |
| 14:27.49 | Navi | heh |
| 14:27.52 | johnx | O_o |
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| 14:28.37 | Navi | qwerty12, the control file uses conflicts and replaces instead of provides ^_^ |
| 14:28.51 | qwerty12 | Ah :), thanks for correcting me :) |
| 14:29.05 | Navi | Nah, that's where the problem is |
| 14:29.12 | Navi | It _should_ be provides |
| 14:29.31 | Navi | But should replace still be there? |
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| 14:30.33 | qwerty12 | No idea :/. Compile newer apt and dpkg :p |
| 14:30.38 | Navi | :P |
| 14:31.19 | qwerty12 | It can be done very easily but then you need to compile newer application manager which messes things up >.< |
| 14:31.30 | qwerty12 | That was a reflash reason... |
| 14:31.35 | Navi | heh |
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| 14:31.44 | johnx | you both should really just boot from sd... |
| 14:31.57 | Navi | johnx, too lazy |
| 14:32.01 | Navi | make me |
| 14:32.05 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 14:32.13 | johnx | I don't care either way |
| 14:32.20 | Navi | :< |
| 14:32.21 | qwerty12 | I will do soon, I just got an 8GB. I'm hoping I don't get any I/O errors :/ |
| 14:32.30 | jott | hmm sick my n810 keyboard just stopped working |
| 14:32.32 | johnx | but incremental backups with rsync through an sd card reader are awesome |
| 14:32.53 | Navi | Oh yeah |
| 14:32.56 | Navi | That's why I don't do it |
| 14:33.04 | Navi | I don't have a spare SD card big enough |
| 14:33.15 | johnx | ah, yeah, I'm running into that too :| |
| 14:34.26 | johnx | I could really make use of about 4 new 8GB cards O_o |
| 14:34.37 | johnx | maybe 5 |
| 14:34.41 | Navi | heh... |
| 14:34.53 | Navi | How about giving them away? |
| 14:35.11 | jott | johnx: one for sid, one for lenny and one for etch? :P |
| 14:35.11 | johnx | the cards I don't have, but do need? |
| 14:35.30 | johnx | one each for my older zauruses |
| 14:35.37 | johnx | one to hold music/videos |
| 14:35.46 | johnx | one for debian and one for maemo w/ boot-from-sd |
| 14:36.25 | qwerty12 | I want to try out KDE and when I get round to partitioning, your debian :) |
| 14:36.43 | johnx | working on the new release now |
| 14:36.53 | johnx | keyboards work reliably, finally! |
| 14:37.16 | johnx | and a lot of the power savings are there thanks to someone who has more of a clue than me :D |
| 14:37.22 | qwerty12 | gj :) |
| 14:37.25 | jott | nice |
| 14:37.51 | jott | so what was it with the kb? just a race condition? |
| 14:37.57 | johnx | yup |
| 14:38.06 | johnx | the X server needs to be started a long time after hal |
| 14:38.12 | jott | yeah |
| 14:38.21 | jott | makes sense |
| 14:38.47 | johnx | so it will start last (S99) and that's all there is to it |
| 14:38.55 | johnx | hopefully it won't be a problem anymore |
| 14:39.21 | johnx | I just need to decide whether to try and use a login manager like gdm or kdm or wdm and how to make that work for n800 users |
| 14:39.44 | qwerty12 | gdm has some accessibility options right? maybe a bit of tweaking :/ |
| 14:40.14 | johnx | I might try to make gpe-dm run, but I don't think it has any idea about session selection :/ |
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| 14:40.32 | johnx | it does have a nice onscreen keyboard built in though |
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| 14:41.08 | Navi | :o |
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| 14:42.12 | johnx | ah, nevermind. found something much better :D |
| 14:42.48 | jott | johnx: i would suggest to try to make a good first impression so it attracts people. everyone knowing what the implications (of a full debian) are, will tweak it towards his personal preferences anyway |
| 14:43.25 | johnx | yeah, that's why I'm so glad to find "wmanager - Select a window manager at X startup" |
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| 14:43.55 | johnx | I don't see how anyone could complain about that :) |
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| 14:45.48 | jott | spawns an army of whiners |
| 14:46.20 | Navi | woo, whiners |
| 14:46.28 | czr | whinerschnitzels |
| 14:46.30 | johnx | nevermind, not as useful as I hoped |
| 14:46.35 | lopz | hola |
| 14:46.39 | johnx | hi |
| 14:47.07 | qwerty12 | grabs my rocket launcher and blasts the mofo whiners |
| 14:47.15 | Navi | qwerty12, mmk, I just whipped up the package |
| 14:47.27 | qwerty12 | Navi, Great, thanks :) |
| 14:47.36 | Navi | Uploading it in a sec |
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| 14:50.07 | johnx | wow, wmanager is fantastically useless |
| 14:50.18 | qwerty12 | Now we can complain :p |
| 14:50.35 | johnx | nah, I'll just drop people off at a console |
| 14:50.40 | johnx | for the real "debian experience" |
| 14:51.01 | Navi | qwerty12, bleh |
| 14:51.10 | qwerty12 | is glad to use Ubuntu - Debian for n00bs |
| 14:51.15 | Navi | adding Provides: libgtkmozembed didn't work :P |
| 14:51.19 | johnx | qwerty12, ahahaha |
| 14:51.55 | Navi | when doing apt-get -f install, it still wants to remove all of those packages. |
| 14:52.01 | qwerty12 | Damn, now I'm gonna have to load up leafpad on the status file :/ |
| 14:52.24 | qwerty12 | Thanks for recreating the package though |
| 14:52.28 | Navi | yeah |
| 14:52.45 | Navi | uploaded it to http://www.xenf.net/microb/ if you want to check it out |
| 14:52.48 | Navi | -2 |
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| 14:53.12 | qwerty12 | Thanks but if it doesn't work, no point in wasting bandwidth. |
| 14:53.17 | qwerty12 | Yours that is. |
| 14:53.35 | Navi | only 100kb |
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| 14:54.00 | qwerty12 | Ah, skeen. I think I'll just do search and replace though. |
| 14:55.36 | Navi | Heh |
| 14:58.31 | Navi | Now I don't know what to do |
| 14:58.55 | qwerty12 | Grab Diablo from SVN :p |
| 14:58.59 | Navi | Hey look, newest ncftp has tab completion |
| 14:59.10 | Navi | The tablet UI is proprietary dood |
| 14:59.16 | Navi | tablet-browser |
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| 14:59.26 | Navi | or whatever it was called |
| 14:59.35 | Navi | oh, Diablo |
| 14:59.39 | Navi | >_> |
| 14:59.55 | Navi | nou |
| 15:00.12 | Navi | I was thinking of either changing microb-gtkmozembed |
| 15:00.33 | qwerty12 | How about just making a meta-package? |
| 15:00.44 | Navi | or that |
| 15:00.48 | Navi | Oh, I'm a retard. |
| 15:01.19 | Navi | nevermind |
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| 15:05.41 | timeless | pokes navi :) |
| 15:05.48 | Navi | Ahh! |
| 15:05.49 | qwerty12 | needs to get back in the scratchbox game. I really want to get my Caps button back, not this crap En button. |
| 15:06.02 | Navi | timeless, I got up to the perl script |
| 15:06.31 | Navi | but the bash script that the perl script generates is empty besides the #!/bin/bash |
| 15:06.53 | qwerty12 | You can download the bash scripts of his website too afaik |
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| 15:08.05 | Navi | Yeah, do-dpkg.sh, do-all-pkgs.sh. and build-control.pl |
| 15:08.45 | Navi | Except it looks like the server tries to execute the perl script :P |
| 15:08.49 | aVirulence | hi, I have a bit of a problem, does someone know under which /dev name hal creates the memory card device when the usb cable is connected? |
| 15:08.58 | qwerty12 | Navi, lol |
| 15:09.03 | aVirulence | only the internal memory is automatically mounted |
| 15:09.33 | timeless | um |
| 15:09.36 | timeless | well, heh |
| 15:09.37 | timeless | :) |
| 15:09.43 | timeless | you're not supposed to run my perl script anyway |
| 15:09.53 | timeless | it's generated by one of the .sh files that you run on the device :) |
| 15:09.55 | Navi | Gah >_> |
| 15:10.14 | Navi | You and your ambiguous scripts :P |
| 15:10.26 | kulve | aVirulence: on your pc? |
| 15:10.37 | aVirulence | kulve, yes |
| 15:10.53 | Navi | "You then need to transfer device-files.tar to the system that can run build-control.pl and run it." But it tells me to! |
| 15:11.39 | kulve | aVirulence: it depends on your setup. It mounts the external as the first (often /dev/sda1) and the internal as the second (often /dev/sdb1) but your disk or usb sticks may change that. See "dmesg" after plugging in the cable to see the right device |
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| 15:13.30 | aVirulence | kulve, that's a bit of a problem, see, hal mounts the internal memory twice.. only /dev/sdd1 shows up which is the internal memory |
| 15:13.35 | timeless | ok, reload the directory index |
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| 15:14.02 | Navi | woo |
| 15:14.06 | timeless | my .pl script is documented in the 2007 file that you were supposed to read :) |
| 15:14.09 | kulve | aVirulence: that sounds very odd.. |
| 15:14.15 | timeless | anyway the .pl-txt files should be readable |
| 15:14.21 | Navi | timeless, I did ;_; |
| 15:14.25 | timeless | not sure why the server is trying to run the files, they aren't +x |
| 15:14.33 | timeless | navi: really? :( |
| 15:14.52 | timeless | it didn't explain clearly enough that you run the generated .pl file on a normal debian? :( |
| 15:14.56 | Navi | Let me give it one more go |
| 15:15.09 | aVirulence | kulve, actually, it gets even odder, my internal memory was busy the last time I mounted it: the memory card got mounted twice! |
| 15:15.30 | aVirulence | might be my system, though |
| 15:15.42 | timeless | navi: anyway, do-all-pkgs.sh would need to be changed to search for whatever you actually want to get |
| 15:15.46 | timeless | hrm |
| 15:15.55 | Navi | I did |
| 15:16.26 | timeless | hrm |
| 15:16.31 | Navi | sec |
| 15:16.34 | timeless | i wonder what script 'a' was |
| 15:16.50 | timeless | heh, kinda funny isn't it |
| 15:16.58 | timeless | do-all-pkgs tries to run itself :) |
| 15:17.14 | timeless | definitely not quite finished :) |
| 15:17.56 | timeless | anyway, get rid of everything after the tar command |
| 15:18.09 | Navi | Oh |
| 15:18.12 | Navi | I noticed that earlier |
| 15:18.14 | timeless | oh suck, there's a tree.sh somewhere |
| 15:18.25 | Navi | it's a side effect of using cat > do-all-pkgs.sh << EOF |
| 15:19.00 | Navi | it decided to throw in my entire directory of scripts and try to execute them |
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| 15:19.45 | qwerty12 | <3 conky |
| 15:19.51 | Navi | indeed |
| 15:21.28 | timeless | oh |
| 15:21.34 | timeless | no, right, do-pkdg.sh generates tree |
| 15:21.40 | johnx | ok, well wdm is officially off the candidate list for display manager as it triggers a kernel oops O_o |
| 15:21.47 | Navi | Heh |
| 15:21.56 | Navi | I have kernel panics in my nightmares |
| 15:21.59 | timeless | clearly i haven't used this script recently :) |
| 15:22.31 | timeless | anyway, i have to leave |
| 15:22.35 | timeless | i'll be back in an hour or two |
| 15:22.35 | Navi | Bye |
| 15:22.37 | Navi | kk |
| 15:22.55 | timeless | but really, please try to get the scripts to work |
| 15:22.59 | Navi | kk |
| 15:23.03 | timeless | and let me know which bugs i need to fix :) |
| 15:23.07 | timeless | mailto: timeless@gmail |
| 15:23.12 | timeless | since i probably will miss this |
| 15:23.14 | timeless | or /msg timelyx |
| 15:23.27 | Navi | I don't know what I'm doing wrong :/ |
| 15:25.56 | Navi | Woo, I have my rss feed reader app back |
| 15:26.10 | qwerty12 | The mini applet? :) |
| 15:26.15 | qwerty12 | (I love that BTW) |
| 15:26.54 | Navi | I figured out that the scrollbar also borks on the applet that comes with the tablet |
| 15:27.25 | Navi | It's just not as noticeable |
| 15:27.38 | Navi | Is omweather working for anyone? |
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| 15:27.56 | Navi | It stopped working yesterday |
| 15:28.08 | Blafasel | hrhr.. I never understood the "weather forecast" type of apps |
| 15:28.11 | qwerty12 | It stopped for me too, about 2 days ago |
| 15:28.25 | qwerty12 | I'm gonna clean out gconf entries and try again soon |
| 15:28.43 | Navi | Blafasel, quicker than checking the news or opening a browser |
| 15:28.54 | johnx | stopped working here too |
| 15:29.01 | Navi | just glance at the applet and you're good to go |
| 15:30.52 | Navi | qwerty12, so, I guess I can make a proper deb and throw that out too |
| 15:31.17 | qwerty12 | Cool :) |
| 15:35.27 | RST38h | *yawn* |
| 15:36.05 | RST38h | Blafasel: hey, OMweather saves me a visit to the weather website |
| 15:36.07 | Navi | yawn indeed |
| 15:36.16 | Navi | RST38h, exactly :D |
| 15:36.21 | RST38h | What's new and exciting in the tablet world? |
| 15:36.37 | Navi | shrugs |
| 15:36.38 | johnx | not that much, hacking out a new debian tarball |
| 15:36.52 | Navi | timeless has scripts to generate debs |
| 15:36.56 | johnx | thinking about why sapwood server fails to succeed on my zaurus |
| 15:36.59 | Navi | from the preinstalled apps |
| 15:37.06 | Navi | I can't get them to work >_> |
| 15:37.15 | johnx | Navi, does he just use dpkg-repack or something else? |
| 15:37.40 | Navi | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 |
| 15:38.15 | Navi | dpkg-repack sounds more conventional |
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| 15:39.51 | johnx | if you wanted to you could just: rsync the rootfs over to a debian desktop, maybe use dpkg --get-selections (or whatever it is) on the tablet |
| 15:40.08 | johnx | and iterate through that using dpkg-repack to repack any installed package on the desktop |
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| 15:40.25 | johnx | hypothetically of course :) |
| 15:40.31 | Navi | Heh |
| 15:41.17 | Navi | Someone tell timey when he gets back |
| 15:41.41 | johnx | I assume he didn't want to have to install debian on a desktop |
| 15:41.52 | johnx | and dpkg-repack pulls in a lot of stuff as deps |
| 15:42.09 | Navi | Well, you could do it in scratchbox if you wanted, probably |
| 15:42.23 | johnx | err...maybe |
| 15:42.24 | Navi | You need dpkg with his scripts as well |
| 15:42.35 | johnx | you need a lot of dpkg dev stuff for dpkg-repack |
| 15:42.41 | johnx | more than is included in sbox I think |
| 15:42.54 | Navi | mmm |
| 15:42.59 | johnx | a debian chroot on another linux machine or debian in a vmware install would be fine |
| 15:43.03 | johnx | overkill, but fine |
| 15:43.12 | Navi | heh |
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| 15:45.28 | Navi | Anyways, time to go |
| 15:45.42 | Navi | Pray that I past my Chem exam for me :P |
| 15:45.46 | qwerty12 | Bye, good lucj |
| 15:45.46 | johnx | good luck |
| 15:45.52 | qwerty12 | s/lucj/luck |
| 15:46.00 | Navi | thanks |
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| 15:51.10 | Navi | Oh yeah, someone else try using timeless's scripts |
| 15:51.20 | Navi | I can't get them to work. |
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| 15:52.06 | Navi | zoom |
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| 15:56.54 | X-Fade | Hey pH5, any news on the powervr driver? :) |
| 15:59.59 | pH5 | X-Fade: no :( |
| 16:01.02 | pH5 | I've added the reset procedure and enabled interrupts, but I don't receive any. Not sure whether my setup is wrong or I'm just not supposed to see any activity from the mbx at this level. |
| 16:02.27 | X-Fade | Hmm that is unfortunate :( |
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| 16:39.15 | jldiaz | how can I find wich release of OS2008 I have installed? |
| 16:39.30 | johnx | control panel -> about (I think) |
| 16:41.02 | jldiaz | johnx, right. Thanks |
| 16:41.40 | jldiaz | Hum. I have 2.2007.50-2, but the latest is 51-3. Should I upgrade? |
| 16:42.45 | johnx | 51-3 only fixed a very specific issue that some people were having with not being able to turn on their tablet after turning it off |
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| 16:43.17 | johnx | even if you're having that problem, there is a way to install the update without having to do a complete reflash (along with reinstalling all your stuff) |
| 16:43.41 | jldiaz | ok, I better keep the current version |
| 16:44.31 | jldiaz | can the .bin image downloaded from nokia be mounted on ubuntu with -o loop? |
| 16:44.41 | johnx | not exactly |
| 16:44.51 | johnx | first use the flasher to extract it |
| 16:45.03 | johnx | then you'll need to load modules to emulate an mtd device in ram |
| 16:45.12 | johnx | then you can dd the image onto that and mount it |
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| 16:45.43 | johnx | you'll want to be looking up info about "mounting a jffs2 image on a desktop" |
| 16:45.49 | johnx | or something similar |
| 16:46.11 | johnx | ah, fun, earthquake |
| 16:47.09 | jldiaz | thanks again |
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| 16:48.20 | johnx | I tried to do it a couple times, but it's somewhat tricky to emulate that big of an mtd device in RAM |
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| 16:48.32 | johnx | I think the kernel needs about 128MB or so of contiguous memory |
| 16:48.41 | johnx | which it is unlikely to have in a running linux system |
| 16:49.03 | johnx | ah, if you're talking about using this technique to apply the update, it's not necessary |
| 16:49.15 | johnx | the update was just a change to the boot loader and can be flashed separately |
| 16:54.23 | jldiaz | no, I was trying to recover the original version of xterm |
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| 16:56.47 | jldiaz | but I can't |
| 16:57.00 | jldiaz | dd complains about insufficient space in /dev/mtd0 |
| 16:57.33 | johnx | when you load the module, the parameter you're giving it is the size of the mtd-ram device you're making |
| 16:58.06 | jldiaz | I didn't give any parameter |
| 16:58.17 | johnx | ah |
| 16:58.24 | johnx | there might be a default then |
| 16:58.32 | johnx | modinfo mtd-ram.ko |
| 16:58.41 | johnx | but let me see if I can just make you a .deb of osso-xterm |
| 16:59.15 | jldiaz | oh, thank you |
| 16:59.35 | johnx | no promises. this will be an experiment O_o |
| 17:01.05 | jldiaz | :) |
| 17:01.19 | jldiaz | what is the syntax for passing a parameter to a module? |
| 17:01.29 | jldiaz | I tried "modprobe mtdram 128" but not worked |
| 17:01.37 | johnx | modprobe module-foo param=128 |
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| 17:02.23 | johnx | well, I think that worked :) |
| 17:02.31 | johnx | how would you like me to send it to you? |
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| 17:04.44 | jldiaz | email? Is it not too big? |
| 17:05.20 | jldiaz | I'm still trying to mount the image myself. I did the following: |
| 17:05.30 | jldiaz | modprobe the modules related to jffs2 |
| 17:05.44 | johnx | hmm...actually I'm worried it might not have worked |
| 17:05.46 | johnx | it's 40K |
| 17:06.02 | jldiaz | modprobe mtdram total_size=128 erase_size=128 |
| 17:06.26 | jldiaz | modprobe also mtdchar and mtdblock (without parameters) |
| 17:06.29 | jldiaz | dd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd0 |
| 17:06.38 | johnx | you just specified size in KB |
| 17:06.52 | jldiaz | Ops, you are right. It should be Mb |
| 17:06.56 | johnx | you want something like 131000 |
| 17:07.04 | jldiaz | also for erase_size? |
| 17:07.15 | johnx | er...I think you can leave that out |
| 17:07.25 | johnx | the default should be reasonable |
| 17:08.25 | jldiaz | ok, I hit the memory problem |
| 17:08.39 | jldiaz | modprobe mtdram total_size=133000 |
| 17:08.47 | jldiaz | Fatal: Error inserting mtdram (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/mtd/devices/mtdram.ko): Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:08.52 | johnx | anyways, I think this osso-xterm package worked |
| 17:09.07 | johnx | want to send me your email address by private message? |
| 17:09.12 | jldiaz | ok |
| 17:09.47 | jldiaz | ops, privates blocked |
| 17:10.02 | jldiaz | I forgot the syntax for identifying myself |
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| 17:10.09 | johnx | ah |
| 17:10.20 | jldiaz | nevermind |
| 17:10.22 | Fatal | jldiaz: would you like me to allocate some for you? |
| 17:10.44 | jldiaz | jldiaz@gmail.com |
| 17:10.53 | jldiaz | Fatal: :-) |
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| 17:12.21 | jldiaz | got it |
| 17:12.29 | jldiaz | thank you very much |
| 17:12.34 | johnx | good, now we'll see if it works :) |
| 17:15.57 | jldiaz | well.. it installed without errors |
| 17:16.03 | jldiaz | now let's see if it runs :-) |
| 17:16.21 | jldiaz | ok! |
| 17:16.29 | jldiaz | it worked! |
| 17:17.26 | johnx | great! |
| 17:17.39 | johnx | thanks to the magic of sshfs+dpkg-repack |
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| 17:20.00 | unixSnob | anyone here attempt to call the UK before? |
| 17:20.40 | unixSnob | I'm trying to call someone using the country code 44, and just hear a siren instead of a normal ring |
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| 17:20.59 | johnx | oh no, you've set off the ter'rist alert! |
| 17:21.53 | unixSnob | I've set it off a few times now |
| 17:22.52 | jldiaz | is it possible to configure xterm for launching by default in fullscreen mode? |
| 17:24.06 | jldiaz | I'm trying to get ride of the toolbar once and forever. I had success for windowed mode, but when changing to fullscreen, the toolbar reappears. I think I could solve the problem if xterm lauched directly in fullscreen |
| 17:26.53 | johnx | can anyone recommend a good (cheap) web host? |
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| 17:28.50 | MangoFusion | when you factor in "cheap", "good" tends not to factor into the solution |
| 17:28.54 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 17:29.10 | Navi | johnx, you could go with bluehost |
| 17:29.18 | johnx | in this order of priorities: good, cheap, lots of bandwidth |
| 17:29.26 | johnx | Navi, thanks *looks them up* |
| 17:29.36 | MangoFusion | lots of horror stories out there about the cheapo "high bandwidth" hosts |
| 17:29.38 | Navi | Bluehost is good for the price, but I hate them. |
| 17:29.48 | johnx | ah |
| 17:29.52 | MangoFusion | unixSnob: siren? |
| 17:30.03 | johnx | MangoFusion, that's why "lots of bandwidth" is the lowest priority |
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| 17:30.25 | Navi | johnx, http://www.slicehost.com/ <- My favorite VPS provider |
| 17:31.00 | unixSnob | MangoFusion: Not sure how else to describe it.. it's a modulating sound like an emergency vehicle might make, without pause |
| 17:31.02 | johnx | that's a nice chunk of bandwidth for $20 |
| 17:31.03 | MangoFusion | haha |
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| 17:31.31 | MangoFusion | unixSnob: being in the uk myself, the only time i heard a siren on the phone is when i didn't replace the handset ;) |
| 17:31.44 | Capn_Fish | johnx: Hey |
| 17:31.46 | Navi | They're extremely reliable and don't try to cut you |
| 17:31.50 | johnx | hey Capn_Fish |
| 17:31.58 | MangoFusion | i think when you prefix with +44 you can ignore the first digit (usually 0) on the number |
| 17:32.07 | johnx | I just got debian booting nicely into xfce and I'm about to try and add rotation support :) |
| 17:32.08 | Capn_Fish | I do have at least one idea for the Debian thing |
| 17:32.13 | Capn_Fish | Cool! |
| 17:32.16 | unixSnob | well, the sound plays for a while, and is followed by "cannot be connected" message |
| 17:32.19 | Capn_Fish | I'd like right-clicking |
| 17:32.20 | Navi | johnx, nice |
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| 17:32.33 | MangoFusion | dodgy call center perhaps? |
| 17:32.34 | unixSnob | MangoFusion: ah, yeah, I was wondering if digits should be dropped |
| 17:32.36 | Capn_Fish | I started hacking together a Zaurus app that would do that |
| 17:32.37 | johnx | Capn_Fish, ah, right. that was the other thing. Do you know anything about gtkstylus? |
| 17:32.41 | unixSnob | I'll try dropping the zero |
| 17:32.51 | johnx | that's what GPE uses and it's in debian now |
| 17:32.55 | Capn_Fish | Nothing about gtkstylus |
| 17:33.02 | johnx | I just don't know how to make it actually work :/ |
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| 17:33.27 | johnx | I think it's a gtk input module, maybe? |
| 17:33.50 | johnx | also got boot messages to show. makes things feel a lot more debiany :) |
| 17:34.07 | n800n | if i save gif images at 800 x 480 for viewing as slideshow in canola or other image viewers full screen there shouldn't be any resizing, correct? |
| 17:34.10 | Capn_Fish | I just made a little daemon that caught all mouse clicks and then checked if keys were pressed, then killed the mouse click and made a right click event |
| 17:34.47 | johnx | hmm...I might go for that if I can't make gtkstylus work |
| 17:34.49 | Capn_Fish | I never got it to work right, though |
| 17:34.58 | johnx | it provides a nice simple tap&hold solution |
| 17:35.03 | Capn_Fish | It didn't catch key release events for some reason |
| 17:35.17 | Capn_Fish | Hmm...I'd like to be able to stick right clicking in the WM |
| 17:35.21 | Capn_Fish | Less overhead :) |
| 17:35.44 | johnx | I think it's pretty low-overhead as a gtk module too |
| 17:35.45 | Capn_Fish | I'm probably way to used to saving every byte of RAM I can, but it can't hurt |
| 17:36.06 | johnx | 128MB of RAM is sooo nice to have. :) |
| 17:36.14 | Capn_Fish | Yeah, and 128MB is a LOT for an embedded system |
| 17:36.21 | johnx | It makes such a difference for web browsing vs my akita |
| 17:36.27 | Capn_Fish | My Zaurus only has 64 MB |
| 17:36.38 | Capn_Fish | You keep beating me to what I want to say :O |
| 17:37.00 | Capn_Fish | How does the keyboard work in X? |
| 17:37.09 | johnx | it works well :) |
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| 17:37.22 | johnx | for my usb keyboard I just plug it in and it's happy |
| 17:37.35 | Navi | woo |
| 17:37.37 | Navi | usb keyboard |
| 17:37.40 | Capn_Fish | Do you have an N800 or an N810? |
| 17:37.42 | johnx | N800 |
| 17:37.51 | Capn_Fish | Hmm... |
| 17:37.51 | Navi | couldn't you go with something lighter than xfce4? |
| 17:37.53 | Navi | :D |
| 17:38.00 | Capn_Fish | I'll have to fiddle with the hardware keyboard, then |
| 17:38.08 | johnx | smacks Navi for whining before the release :P |
| 17:38.11 | Navi | *twm* *twm* |
| 17:38.13 | Capn_Fish | It worked in the CLI when I got to it by some fluke a while back |
| 17:38.18 | Navi | *twm* *twm* *twm* |
| 17:38.24 | Capn_Fish | TWM FTL. EvilWM's where it's at! |
| 17:38.29 | johnx | Navi, whine after the release :P |
| 17:38.33 | Navi | johnx, I whined a few days ago too |
| 17:38.40 | Navi | kk |
| 17:38.40 | johnx | Capn_Fish, yeah, it works on the CLI |
| 17:38.46 | johnx | it's a HAL thing with Xomap |
| 17:38.50 | johnx | Xomap is ... special |
| 17:39.03 | Capn_Fish | I see. How hard would it be to fix? |
| 17:39.10 | johnx | Capn_Fish, it works now |
| 17:39.19 | Navi | johnx, don't blame me if your release topic is spammed with light wm requests. |
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| 17:39.32 | johnx | I'm 90% sure that when I release this the N810 keyboard will "just work" in X |
| 17:39.36 | Capn_Fish | Wait, it does work in X11, or just in the CLI? |
| 17:39.43 | Capn_Fish | Nice! |
| 17:39.44 | johnx | should work in both |
| 17:40.20 | Capn_Fish | cool. |
| 17:40.34 | Capn_Fish | Perhaps I can FINALLY ditch OS2008 :D |
| 17:40.46 | johnx | eh, don't count on it |
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| 17:40.50 | Capn_Fish | :( |
| 17:40.52 | johnx | there's a lot left to do :/ |
| 17:41.03 | Navi | Yeah, like getting dwm as the default wm |
| 17:41.17 | Capn_Fish | I'm OK with beta stuff |
| 17:41.31 | johnx | Navi, i will include instructions that will make it pretty simple to change which wm is launched |
| 17:41.32 | Navi | johnx, hildon apps working yet? |
| 17:41.35 | Capn_Fish | Heck, I was running the alpha pdaXrom r198 on my Zaurus for some 1.5 year |
| 17:41.38 | johnx | Navi, nope |
| 17:41.43 | johnx | not worrying about that for now |
| 17:41.51 | Navi | Oh, I'm sure I can figure out how to do it myself :P |
| 17:41.54 | johnx | by popular request I'm focusing on getting a "real linux desktop" first |
| 17:42.00 | Navi | mmk |
| 17:42.01 | Capn_Fish | g2g |
| 17:42.03 | Capn_Fish | sorry |
| 17:42.25 | johnx | no worries. Just help field newb questions when I release this, :) |
| 17:42.46 | Navi | With my usual trollish statements or actually be helpful? |
| 17:42.50 | Navi | :D |
| 17:43.09 | johnx | both of you need to be *helpful* :P |
| 17:43.11 | johnx | that's all I ask |
| 17:43.16 | Navi | Yeah, I'll do what I can. |
| 17:43.46 | johnx | I'm going to lessen the "BIG RED DISCLAIMER" a little this time and provide screenshots |
| 17:43.57 | Navi | Heh |
| 17:44.13 | Navi | I discovered that size 7 for big red disclamers was too big |
| 17:44.20 | Navi | s/am/aim/ |
| 17:44.23 | johnx | actually it worked well |
| 17:44.28 | Navi | Pfft |
| 17:44.32 | johnx | it filled the whole first page of my browser :) |
| 17:44.37 | Navi | >_> |
| 17:44.46 | n800n | s/am/aim/ |
| 17:44.51 | n800n | ? |
| 17:44.56 | Navi | sed |
| 17:45.12 | johnx | hey n800n. sorry I was kinda harsh earlier. |
| 17:45.13 | Navi | s/replace this/with this/ |
| 17:45.20 | Navi | For example |
| 17:45.24 | Navi | s/For/cool/ |
| 17:45.25 | n800n | you were? |
| 17:45.32 | johnx | ah, I thought that's why you left? |
| 17:45.47 | johnx | nevermind then :D |
| 17:45.52 | n800n | oh no, i don't get offended easily, plus there was no reason to be offended |
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| 17:46.03 | n800n | as far as i'm concerned everybody here is an ass |
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| 17:46.09 | Navi | Haha |
| 17:46.12 | johnx | good strategy |
| 17:46.35 | gnuSnob | MangoFusion: that was it.. i just had to drop the zero. Thanks! |
| 17:46.48 | Navi | Man, I'm broke |
| 17:46.51 | gnuSnob | can't stand the silly exceptions in dialing rules |
| 17:46.58 | Navi | I don't even have money for a tank of gas |
| 17:47.16 | gnuSnob | I thought zeros only had to be dropped in the case of mobile phones |
| 17:47.39 | gnuSnob | Navi: that's kuz you spend all your time in here, no? |
| 17:47.45 | Navi | Indeed it is |
| 17:47.49 | MangoFusion | i think mobiles are just one of the many places you notice it ;) |
| 17:47.55 | a_l_e | hello... i need a program to play oggs and mp3 on the n810... and i'd like something that just shows the tracks in the directories, so that i can just drop the sd card and it forgets what was in there... any hint? |
| 17:48.00 | gnuSnob | You'd be a wealthy man if you got paid for #maemo chat |
| 17:48.14 | johnx | why back in my day a tank of gas was $15! |
| 17:48.18 | Navi | :P |
| 17:48.38 | Navi | You also burned it all away in a heartbeat |
| 17:48.55 | johnx | eh, actually I went 400+ miles on a tank :) |
| 17:49.09 | Navi | a_l_e, canola can do so with ogg support installed, I think |
| 17:49.27 | gnuSnob | I read a stat that the average mpg has /gone up/ in the past 20 years |
| 17:50.07 | n800n | canola + http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=114142 worked for me |
| 17:50.14 | Navi | Just stay away from American cars and we're good on mpg |
| 17:50.17 | gnuSnob | it's because folks are buying bigger cars.. and because technology that could be used to increase efficiency is actually being used to increase performance |
| 17:50.38 | johnx | also cars are getting heavier with safety features |
| 17:50.42 | a_l_e | ... so, i'm looking at canola... |
| 17:51.43 | johnx | a_l_e, audio -> my music -> browse by folder |
| 17:52.11 | johnx | but you have to set which folders have music first :) |
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| 17:52.48 | n800n | i just got a neuro osd for a friend |
| 17:52.51 | gnuSnob | will canola work on my porno collection, or is it just for music? |
| 17:52.52 | n800n | it's pretty cool |
| 17:53.19 | n800n | only straight porn |
| 17:53.22 | Navi | gnuSnob, It'll work on your porno collection if you wire 100 bucks to my bank account |
| 17:54.35 | gnuSnob | would rather sneak around the living room and get the job done when no one sees, than pay $100 to take the NIT to bed |
| 17:55.15 | johnx | gah |
| 17:55.17 | Navi | ? |
| 17:55.46 | johnx | have read! cannot un-read! |
| 17:55.53 | Navi | Hehe |
| 17:56.15 | Navi | Gouge your eyes out as prevention |
| 17:56.27 | n800n | do all imageviewers need to proload image folders? is there one that doesn't need to? |
| 17:56.33 | n800n | preload* |
| 17:57.06 | n800n | canola has been updating the library for abput 5 minutes, starting to think it's no the best for this |
| 17:57.16 | n800n | i have a few thousand pics tho |
| 17:57.50 | zap | the idea to have a database of everything is faulty |
| 17:57.54 | johnx | maybe quiver? or the builtin image viewer? |
| 17:58.05 | zap | I can organize my folders pretty much without the help of any app |
| 17:58.06 | johnx | I miss gqview on any platform that doesn't have it |
| 17:58.13 | n800n | quiver seemd lighter, i'll try that |
| 17:58.56 | zap | Is there any way to stop WiFi from becoming painfully slow when I ssh into the tablet? It works fine (mostly) when I connect from N810, but when doing the reverse it seems that it goes to sleep pretty early. |
| 17:59.27 | Robot101 | zap: leave a ping running |
| 17:59.47 | Robot101 | zap: the problem is the wifi antenna only turns on when the tablet is sending data, or replying to stuff |
| 17:59.58 | a_l_e | how's kilikali? |
| 18:00.02 | zap | is that a hardware thing? |
| 18:00.02 | johnx | test if lowering the power savings has an effect? |
| 18:00.05 | Robot101 | zap: so it seems unresponsive to incoming stuff unless you cause the device to keep sending periodically |
| 18:00.23 | zap | I even tried to do "iwconfig wlan0 power off" |
| 18:00.26 | zap | but it doesn't help |
| 18:00.28 | RST38h | btw, built in Maemo image viewer chokes on large jpegs |
| 18:00.35 | johnx | why not just try the UI power settings? |
| 18:00.39 | RST38h | says out of memory and dies or something like this |
| 18:00.43 | zap | jobecause they don't work |
| 18:00.48 | johnx | really? |
| 18:01.05 | zap | well, what settings do you mean |
| 18:01.12 | zap | maybe I tried the wrong stuff |
| 18:01.20 | *** part/#maemo OSSIE_Commando (n=phelps@wireless-5213.wireless.ece.vt.edu) |
| 18:01.31 | zap | Wifi icon -> Connection settings? |
| 18:02.22 | *** join/#maemo koyote` (n=user@182.235.125.209.transedge.com) |
| 18:02.25 | johnx | under the specific network settings in advanced |
| 18:02.34 | johnx | power saving: on (maximum) |
| 18:02.51 | *** join/#maemo marko (n=marko@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe39fa00-129.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:02.54 | zap | in control panel? |
| 18:03.29 | johnx | control panel -> connectivity -> connections -> your-network-name -> edit -> next x3 -> advanced |
| 18:04.13 | *** join/#maemo b0unc3_ (n=b0unc3@host-84-223-152-78.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 18:04.32 | zap | huh, haven't found those |
| 18:04.38 | zap | thank you, I'll try |
| 18:05.00 | johnx | sure, I haven't played with them much either, because my tablet plays nice with my AP |
| 18:05.02 | zap | and still, how one would ping something? the 'ping' from busybox keeps telling me that I don't have enough priviledges :) |
| 18:05.22 | johnx | become root :) |
| 18:05.55 | a_l_e | i'll first try kilikali, first... it's 400Kb against 20Mb! |
| 18:06.27 | zap | how? su tells me that its not a suid binary, and making busybox suid root is idiocy :) |
| 18:07.25 | johnx | nitapps.com -> easyroot |
| 18:07.30 | johnx | or google for becomeroot |
| 18:07.36 | johnx | or set your tablet into r&d mode |
| 18:07.41 | n800n | hm quiver is fast |
| 18:08.06 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 18:09.09 | n800n | but it doesn't automatically flip images |
| 18:09.33 | *** join/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@190.2.197.194) |
| 18:10.27 | RST38h | Borland kaput |
| 18:10.36 | RST38h | Took awfully long |
| 18:10.40 | johnx | they're still around? |
| 18:10.41 | a_l_e | well, kilikali won't do... it can't recursive add songs... |
| 18:10.45 | Navi | johnx, or you could ssh into yourself |
| 18:11.26 | johnx | or that, yes |
| 18:11.37 | Navi | is too lazy to install easyroot |
| 18:11.53 | johnx | yeah, the clicking on things is tough |
| 18:12.01 | Navi | iknorite? |
| 18:12.04 | lcuk | waves an easyeasyrootinstall link at navi :P |
| 18:12.12 | Navi | cries |
| 18:12.39 | lcuk | navi - is sshing yourself in public legal in your country? |
| 18:12.50 | Navi | lol |
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| 18:12.56 | zap | Ah, what a relief to work with WiFi power saving turned off :))) |
| 18:13.11 | RST38h | johnx: They spun off their dev tools as CodeGear subsidiary a while ago |
| 18:13.14 | lcuk | i just whisper my wifi around |
| 18:13.18 | lcuk | no point in shouting |
| 18:13.36 | Navi | Some routers are deaf |
| 18:13.38 | johnx | forgot how awesome rotation was |
| 18:13.39 | RST38h | johnx: And just sold it to some seocnd tier db maker for $20m+ |
| 18:13.43 | Navi | whispering is not enough |
| 18:13.46 | lcuk | get then a hearing aid |
| 18:13.46 | Navi | johnx, indeed it is |
| 18:13.55 | lcuk | pringles can or wok |
| 18:14.17 | KotCzarny | wifi whisperer? |
| 18:14.21 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 18:14.27 | Navi | Heh, I was going to retort with who the hell carries a wok |
| 18:14.33 | Navi | But I have >_> |
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| 18:15.09 | *** join/#maemo citizen_ (n=citizen@c-69-140-152-123.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:15.10 | johnx | mmm...stirfry |
| 18:15.34 | lcuk | would you like tcp with that? |
| 18:15.59 | KotCzarny | banana/ip |
| 18:16.07 | johnx | heh..."you down with tcp? yeah you know me!" |
| 18:16.16 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:16.50 | lcuk | i tried banana/ip but the SLIP was too great |
| 18:17.21 | KotCzarny | too much friction on the packets and you overheat your router |
| 18:17.31 | zap | Another newbie question: are there curl/wget/lftp and other great cmdline tools for OS 2008? |
| 18:17.41 | KotCzarny | zap: yes |
| 18:17.46 | zap | what repository? |
| 18:17.48 | lcuk | offs, internet dying, must be a monkey around |
| 18:17.52 | johnx | zap, gronmayer.com/it |
| 18:18.33 | zap | thank you |
| 18:18.33 | johnx | lcuk, netcraft confirms, the internet is dying? |
| 18:18.33 | Navi | lcuk, bai |
| 18:18.33 | lcuk | puts 50p into virgins slot |
| 18:18.47 | KotCzarny | eats another banana and smiles innocently |
| 18:19.38 | lcuk | ahhh well, irc appears to work, but there must be something big inside virgin |
| 18:19.42 | lcuk | internet tubes are blocked |
| 18:20.02 | RST38h | that must be a turd you are talking about. |
| 18:20.14 | KotCzarny | do a mallox |
| 18:21.08 | lcuk | i dunno why but its all dead :'( |
| 18:21.37 | lcuk | mourns internet |
| 18:21.43 | lcuk | johnx i tried to check netcraft but they have died as well |
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| 18:22.30 | johnx | lcuk, DNS issues? routing issues? |
| 18:22.40 | lcuk | nahhh, girlfriend trouble |
| 18:22.44 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 18:22.46 | lcuk | the missus started some torrents |
| 18:23.01 | johnx | ah, QoS is your answer :) |
| 18:23.03 | KotCzarny | do some throttling? |
| 18:23.05 | lcuk | i stopped then and am rebooting the router - it dies occasionally |
| 18:23.26 | KotCzarny | install openwrt? |
| 18:23.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:23.31 | johnx | yeah, crappy routers tend to cope poorly with thousands of open NAT connections |
| 18:23.44 | lcuk | i do, but i think the little thing gets its knickers in a twist |
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| 18:24.03 | lcuk | its strange how irc continued tho |
| 18:24.17 | Stskeeps | irc can keep up during coups of state and iraq wars |
| 18:24.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:24.20 | johnx | it already had a spot in the tablet allocated |
| 18:24.32 | johnx | s/tablet/table/g |
| 18:24.50 | johnx | my brains auto-complete needs to get wiped O_o |
| 18:24.50 | lcuk | ahh well its come right back |
| 18:25.01 | lcuk | no need to even reboot , curious |
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| 18:25.47 | vitorbaptista | Hi, I am doing something wrong or it's really hard to take the n800's battery out? |
| 18:26.00 | johnx | it's difficult |
| 18:26.04 | Navi | At first, it's hard |
| 18:26.09 | johnx | either hold it upside town and smack it gently |
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| 18:26.27 | johnx | or pry from the end without the contacts with a credit card |
| 18:26.28 | lcuk | on 810 it falls out |
| 18:26.29 | Navi | It gets easier after doing it a few times |
| 18:26.47 | vitorbaptista | hum |
| 18:26.51 | vitorbaptista | let me try the credit card... |
| 18:27.00 | vitorbaptista | my nails aren't hard enough |
| 18:27.01 | Navi | It's safe to smack it :P |
| 18:27.09 | johnx | ...and more fun |
| 18:27.14 | X-Fade | I always tap it on the front.. |
| 18:27.22 | vitorbaptista | it went easily with the CC :P |
| 18:27.28 | vitorbaptista | thanks |
| 18:27.34 | vitorbaptista | uh |
| 18:27.43 | vitorbaptista | btw |
| 18:27.47 | lcuk | vitorbaptista, you are right, and as a result of swiping it near your camera the number is now uploaded |
| 18:27.59 | vitorbaptista | There's no identification number |
| 18:28.13 | lcuk | under the battery, not just under the cover |
| 18:28.13 | Navi | really? |
| 18:28.16 | vitorbaptista | lcuk: lol |
| 18:28.20 | johnx | it's next to the SD card slot |
| 18:28.26 | Navi | It's on a sticker next to the ^ |
| 18:28.27 | johnx | not under the battery |
| 18:28.34 | vitorbaptista | Navi: Yes... it's only "Void if removed" |
| 18:28.37 | vitorbaptista | hum |
| 18:28.42 | Navi | WLAN: |
| 18:28.43 | vitorbaptista | duh |
| 18:28.47 | johnx | :D |
| 18:28.49 | vitorbaptista | yea, it's near the SD card |
| 18:28.57 | lcuk | i hate stickers that say "VO OVED" |
| 18:28.58 | vitorbaptista | about 20min lost trying to take the battery off |
| 18:28.59 | vitorbaptista | lol |
| 18:29.00 | KotCzarny | wlan: void if removed |
| 18:29.03 | Navi | lol |
| 18:29.14 | johnx | I just arping my tablet when I need to know :) |
| 18:30.16 | KotCzarny | vitorbaptista: try pulling other end? |
| 18:30.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:30.25 | vitorbaptista | Can I go from the oldest OS 2007 to the newer OS 2008? Or I have to go step by step? |
| 18:30.44 | johnx | all reflashes are complete replacements |
| 18:30.49 | johnx | just go to the latest |
| 18:30.56 | KotCzarny | complete reflash |
| 18:31.01 | vitorbaptista | great, downloading |
| 18:31.01 | johnx | you've backed up everything you want to keep, right? |
| 18:31.22 | vitorbaptista | johnx: Sure... that is... uhm... |
| 18:31.24 | vitorbaptista | nothing |
| 18:31.24 | vitorbaptista | :P |
| 18:31.29 | vitorbaptista | Just bought it yesterday |
| 18:31.32 | n800n | is there anything else other than quiver? |
| 18:31.33 | johnx | just making sure :) |
| 18:31.40 | vitorbaptista | thanks :P |
| 18:31.42 | johnx | n800n, mirage and mediabox |
| 18:32.04 | n800n | i think mediabox indexes beforehand too, i'll try mirage |
| 18:32.41 | KotCzarny | and of course canola |
| 18:32.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:32.43 | vitorbaptista | Isn't there a good emulator for mega drive games to maemo? |
| 18:32.51 | n800n | the builtin viewer is pretty good to |
| 18:32.52 | vitorbaptista | no one ported yet? |
| 18:33.08 | n800n | canola is the slowest so far, also the prettiest |
| 18:37.31 | a_l_e | i'm trying ukmp... it's indexing :-( |
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| 18:44.41 | MajMin7 | hey, I'm trying to figure out how to get an application to run on my N810 target device |
| 18:44.47 | MajMin7 | it works in scratchbox |
| 18:45.16 | MajMin7 | I have compiled it for ARM |
| 18:45.41 | MajMin7 | but I can't figure out how to "install from file" in application manager |
| 18:45.44 | MajMin7 | I cant find the file! |
| 18:46.01 | MajMin7 | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 18:46.10 | KotCzarny | make a .deb |
| 18:46.45 | MajMin7 | ahh |
| 18:46.50 | MajMin7 | i was afraid that was the answer |
| 18:46.57 | johnx | if it's just a binary copy it over directly and run it in place |
| 18:47.03 | lcuk | or if its testing just copy over and setup the required structure yourself |
| 18:47.04 | KotCzarny | or just copy files to /usr/local |
| 18:47.06 | johnx | no need to install it just to test it |
| 18:47.14 | MajMin7 | well |
| 18:47.20 | MajMin7 | i copied it over and then ran it from the terminal |
| 18:47.26 | MajMin7 | and it just spit out random ascii text |
| 18:47.29 | MajMin7 | didnt run |
| 18:47.52 | lcuk | if you first built it for x86 make sure you make clean then rebuild it |
| 18:48.47 | MajMin7 | ohhhhhh |
| 18:49.28 | lcuk | i fell into that trap exactly once, from that day forewards i have never compiled anything in scratchbox for x86 |
| 18:49.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:49.42 | MajMin7 | lol |
| 18:49.45 | MajMin7 | let me see if that does it |
| 18:49.57 | KotCzarny | didn't compile for x86 in sbox even once |
| 18:50.31 | lcuk | was young and following instructions |
| 18:51.08 | lcuk | (well not so young, but still not a duffer) |
| 18:51.19 | zap | What filesystem is the best to use on internal 2Gb card? I hate FAT and I don't use windos anyways |
| 18:51.51 | lcuk | you should have your own impression of what you prefer then |
| 18:52.00 | Navi | I built a WM once in x86 to test it out |
| 18:52.01 | johnx | zap, ext2 or ext3 is fine |
| 18:52.03 | zap | yep, but there are no fs tools on nokia :) |
| 18:52.10 | zap | can't find mkfs.ext2 |
| 18:52.17 | johnx | it isn't installed by default |
| 18:52.24 | zap | what package is it? |
| 18:52.31 | zap | apt-cache search doesn't want to tell me |
| 18:52.33 | johnx | like ext2fsprogs or something |
| 18:52.36 | zap | aha |
| 18:52.56 | johnx | gronmayer.com/it has your answers once again :) |
| 18:53.00 | *** join/#maemo novmware (n=user@dynamic6-164.MAN-B2-1.cablenet.com.ni) |
| 18:53.02 | zap | :)) |
| 18:53.12 | zap | its soooo big, much too big to grok in one evening |
| 18:53.30 | johnx | definitely |
| 18:53.34 | lcuk | has being trying to understand his tiny device for almost 6 months now |
| 18:53.49 | KotCzarny | 6 months? |
| 18:53.51 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 18:53.58 | lcuk | yer, got it 21dec |
| 18:54.02 | KotCzarny | you have it longer than me |
| 18:54.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:54.06 | johnx | good resources: downloads.maemo.org , internettablettalk.com/forums , gronmayer.com/it |
| 18:54.19 | zap | I can laugh in the face of the guys that will tell me that there's no software for n810 now |
| 18:54.19 | KotCzarny | johnx: also maemo.org and google.com |
| 18:54.20 | lcuk | yer but you had linux experience before |
| 18:54.47 | lcuk | my next device wont take me so long to grapple :) |
| 18:54.52 | KotCzarny | and you had windows experience |
| 18:54.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:55.00 | lcuk | lol @ lag factor |
| 18:56.05 | vitorbaptista | For flashing to the new OS 2008 I just need to copy the .bin to the SD Card in my n800 and execute it, right? |
| 18:56.06 | lcuk | :) i have a lot of catching up to do code wise, im starting to see things forming as they are meant to |
| 18:56.20 | johnx | vitorbaptista, nope: google "flashing maemo from linux" |
| 18:56.28 | lcuk | vitorbaptista, no, there is a linux or windows based flashing tool |
| 18:56.46 | vitorbaptista | ty |
| 18:56.47 | lsobral | n800n, where are you noticing the slowdown in loading pictures in canola? Is it in the thumb screen while generating thumbs? |
| 18:56.49 | vitorbaptista | Looking for it |
| 18:57.10 | johnx | aahaha! tap+hold right click in xfce4 works |
| 18:57.10 | n800n | updating the media library takes forever |
| 18:57.12 | johnx | :D |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#maemo flo_lap (n=fuchs@f049169110.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:57.58 | lsobral | n800n, that is related to scanning your media library through light media scanner, which canola uses |
| 18:58.04 | MajMin7 | HA! |
| 18:58.05 | MajMin7 | got it |
| 18:58.08 | MajMin7 | thats perfect |
| 18:58.17 | MajMin7 | I dont care about making a .deb |
| 18:58.52 | MajMin7 | it took me 2.5 days to build the environment, compile hello world, and execute it on the target |
| 18:58.59 | MajMin7 | 12 hour days, too! |
| 18:59.02 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:59.06 | MajMin7 | ridiculous |
| 18:59.18 | johnx | well, you're up to speed now. It's all easier from here |
| 18:59.28 | lsobral | n800n, but lightmediascanner is pretty fast in the average case, this may be a bug scanning some files in your library that may be slowing the whole process down |
| 18:59.50 | KotCzarny | lsobral: maybe 3000x2000 files? :) |
| 18:59.52 | lcuk | MajMin7, :) it gets easier from here on in |
| 18:59.57 | n800n | these are a lot of files though |
| 19:00.00 | n800n | a few thousand |
| 19:00.02 | MajMin7 | so i have another question: is there somewhere that I can find example code for using the GPS? I haven't been able to find that yet |
| 19:00.18 | MajMin7 | is that available in a repository? |
| 19:00.26 | n800n | all in all they'll be about 25,000 jpeg+gif |
| 19:00.30 | lcuk | MajMin7, wait there |
| 19:00.39 | flo_lap | re |
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| 19:00.46 | lcuk | hi flo |
| 19:00.46 | lsobral | yeah, that is lots of images :) |
| 19:01.18 | n800n | yup |
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| 19:03.02 | lcuk | MajMin7, still waiting? |
| 19:03.07 | MajMin7 | ? |
| 19:03.57 | lcuk | MajMin7, am just trying to get a lock on the gps code |
| 19:04.03 | MajMin7 | oh |
| 19:04.07 | MajMin7 | im in no hurry |
| 19:04.15 | lcuk | good job really with 810 gps |
| 19:05.06 | MajMin7 | ? |
| 19:05.19 | MajMin7 | its a decent gps? |
| 19:05.26 | MajMin7 | or the interface? |
| 19:05.56 | lcuk | its a bit slow getting up to speed |
| 19:06.03 | lcuk | once its locked its ok |
| 19:06.09 | lcuk | try http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToUseGPSFrameworkInOS2007/ and from there https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-saver/ and probably loads more :) |
| 19:08.17 | vitorbaptista | wow |
| 19:08.22 | vitorbaptista | OS 2008 looks so better |
| 19:08.29 | n800n | i just talked to a guy who lost his laptop and he's working off his iphone |
| 19:08.32 | n800n | iphone pfffffft |
| 19:08.40 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host217-44-66-133.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:08.47 | n800n | i didn't say that cause he just hired me for a gig but that's what i was thinking |
| 19:09.22 | kulve | MajMin7: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#Location |
| 19:09.22 | KotCzarny | it doesn't matter as long he gets his job done, right? |
| 19:09.41 | n800n | yeah |
| 19:09.51 | n800n | he's a producer so i'm assuming it was a mac |
| 19:09.56 | n800n | double pffft. |
| 19:10.14 | n800n | well half a pfft since i'm on one now |
| 19:10.20 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:10.21 | n800n | but at least i'm running windows on it |
| 19:10.23 | johnx | heh...macs are fine |
| 19:10.24 | n800n | so i'm 1337 |
| 19:10.34 | KotCzarny | win on mac is a 1298749071501xPFT |
| 19:10.40 | vitorbaptista | 1337 for running windows? :P |
| 19:10.41 | johnx | it's just bsd with a candy-coated GUI |
| 19:10.41 | vitorbaptista | lol |
| 19:10.55 | n800n | not just windows |
| 19:10.58 | n800n | windows on a mac |
| 19:10.58 | Navi | OS X is fine |
| 19:11.03 | KotCzarny | osx sucks |
| 19:11.06 | Navi | It's Apple I have a problem with |
| 19:11.10 | KotCzarny | osux |
| 19:11.10 | n800n | same |
| 19:11.13 | lcuk | n800n, not just windows? you mean windows vista? |
| 19:11.18 | vitorbaptista | n800n: even worse :P |
| 19:11.20 | n800n | no, xp |
| 19:11.26 | n800n | whatever man. |
| 19:11.34 | n800n | i think it's pretty sweet |
| 19:12.01 | lcuk | wasnt there something recently that said the fastest windows hardware was apple? |
| 19:12.06 | n800n | yeah |
| 19:12.20 | n800n | i do media production so i can't switch to linux cause of that |
| 19:12.27 | n800n | i woud if i could |
| 19:12.33 | lcuk | keep with what works :) |
| 19:12.46 | vitorbaptista | n800n: Tell that to Dreamworks :X |
| 19:12.53 | KotCzarny | but don't advertise it as better |
| 19:12.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:13.02 | n800n | dreamworks? |
| 19:13.14 | n800n | they probably use inux boxes for rendering |
| 19:13.24 | vitorbaptista | nope |
| 19:13.26 | n800n | which is more like a workhorse thing, not a creative thing |
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| 19:13.31 | vitorbaptista | not only... :P |
| 19:13.47 | vitorbaptista | shrek 3, etc, were all in linux... |
| 19:13.52 | vitorbaptista | from creation to rendering |
| 19:14.10 | lcuk | you gotta admit thou, shrek isnt made to look pretty :P |
| 19:14.14 | n800n | what about video editing |
| 19:14.31 | vitorbaptista | n800n: http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9865829-16.html |
| 19:15.07 | vitorbaptista | n800n: I am a programmer, so I can't tell much about this... |
| 19:15.23 | vitorbaptista | but |
| 19:15.29 | MajMin7 | kluve: just got back |
| 19:15.34 | MajMin7 | saw the link |
| 19:15.55 | vitorbaptista | if an enterprise as big as dreamworks use it, they must have a reason... |
| 19:15.55 | n800n | i think in theory there are plenty of video apps on linux but they're not very intuitive |
| 19:16.34 | lcuk | that is not due to linux, that is simply due to the right developers havent seen a need to switch yet |
| 19:16.47 | a_l_e | mmmh... ukmp is nice to look at, but, well... not really what i was looking for. |
| 19:17.10 | johnx | I think dreamworks uses a lot of inhouse stuff. |
| 19:17.20 | n800n | well the standard for the video editing gui was set by avid, which are the biggest assholes in the closed software market |
| 19:17.25 | jldiaz | a_l_e: canola? |
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| 19:17.32 | n800n | but the thing is it's a pretty good standard |
| 19:17.41 | jldiaz | what are you looking for? |
| 19:18.04 | johnx | a_l_e, youamp maybe? |
| 19:18.04 | a_l_e | jldiaz: either... that's a full blown media player. |
| 19:18.12 | KotCzarny | xmms? |
| 19:18.13 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:18.22 | n800n | i'll rant some other time |
| 19:18.24 | jldiaz | mplayer? |
| 19:18.32 | KotCzarny | playfilelist? |
| 19:18.41 | KotCzarny | (ncurses frontend to mplayer) |
| 19:18.54 | a_l_e | jldiaz: i'm just looking for a program with which i can browse some folders, it may show me the id tags of the current folder and i can play ogg and mp3. |
| 19:19.06 | KotCzarny | a_l_e: xmms |
| 19:19.19 | a_l_e | ... if possible, not a program which automatically browses all my sd cards! |
| 19:19.24 | a_l_e | mmmh... xmms... |
| 19:19.29 | jldiaz | heh |
| 19:19.53 | a_l_e | it was not in the repositories i've already loaded... |
| 19:20.19 | KotCzarny | a_l_e: just get a .deb and install it |
| 19:20.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:20.37 | jldiaz | if you dont dare using command-line for "browsing", mplayer could be a choice |
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| 19:22.11 | a_l_e | i like the command line... but not really on the it |
| 19:22.14 | lcuk | well since everything has some kind of emulator or run env. can i get windows explorer? |
| 19:22.24 | johnx | what should I take screenshots of in debian for the n800? |
| 19:22.36 | Navi | desktop |
| 19:22.42 | Navi | control panel |
| 19:22.45 | Jon | johnx: import -window root screenshot.png (import in package imagemagick) |
| 19:23.06 | Jon | a_l_e: it's not ideal w/o a real keyboard |
| 19:23.10 | KotCzarny | jon: he asked what people would like to see |
| 19:23.15 | Navi | Uh... I don't know what else |
| 19:23.16 | johnx | I just use xwd :) |
| 19:23.18 | Jon | ah |
| 19:23.41 | KotCzarny | johnx: do a idle battery-rundown test |
| 19:23.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:23.55 | Jon | yes, that would be very useful |
| 19:23.59 | KotCzarny | i can provide you with a script (assuming you have a /dev/retu) |
| 19:23.59 | johnx | KotCzarny, I wouldn't dream of stealing that honor from you :) |
| 19:24.03 | a_l_e | the program i've found and somehow does what i need, is snackamp... but there seem to be no port for maemo (and on my normal computer it's all about ogg123 and mpg123 :-) |
| 19:24.37 | Jon | I think I've pretty much decided that to get the n800 perfect to my needs I need to start from debian and not it2008 |
| 19:25.33 | johnx | ah, and I promised someone a shot of evolution |
| 19:25.39 | Navi | yeah |
| 19:25.43 | KotCzarny | 'shot of evolution' |
| 19:25.46 | KotCzarny | that's harsh |
| 19:26.06 | johnx | heh |
| 19:27.23 | johnx | jeez, getting a ton of earthquakes here tonight O_o |
| 19:27.32 | Navi | mmm |
| 19:27.39 | KotCzarny | where is here? |
| 19:27.39 | Navi | the world is coming to an end |
| 19:27.43 | Navi | Japan |
| 19:27.43 | lcuk | define here |
| 19:27.47 | lcuk | ahh |
| 19:27.52 | johnx | Yokohama, Japan |
| 19:27.55 | lcuk | godzilla attack? |
| 19:27.58 | johnx | check out the map: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php |
| 19:27.58 | Navi | Lmfao |
| 19:28.11 | johnx | I swear he's surfacing off the coast or something O_o |
| 19:28.32 | KotCzarny | it's 'he' ? |
| 19:28.40 | KotCzarny | i always thought it's a 'she' |
| 19:28.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:28.44 | lcuk | theres a fat kid in america doing exersizes |
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| 19:29.28 | johnx | heh...yeah well he fell into the pacific then, and he's jumping up and down 90km off the coast |
| 19:30.14 | n800n | nessie? |
| 19:30.20 | KotCzarny | wrong continent |
| 19:30.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:30.36 | KotCzarny | (and culture myths) |
| 19:30.50 | vitorbaptista | see y'all |
| 19:30.51 | n800n | http://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/nessie.jpg |
| 19:31.33 | zap | hahaha, I moved /home to mmc2 and after reboot I've got the default gtk look of all widgets, and the mouse cursor visible :) |
| 19:32.10 | KotCzarny | n800n: shopped |
| 19:32.21 | lcdd | zap: did you forget dotfiles? |
| 19:32.43 | n800n | haha no! |
| 19:32.46 | zap | nope |
| 19:32.57 | zap | but it seems that mmc2 is mounted after maemo gets started |
| 19:33.13 | johnx | sounds likely |
| 19:33.25 | jott | KotCzarny: it's "gimped" not "shopped" in here! :p |
| 19:34.00 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.05 | zap | hmm, /etc/fstab contains an entry for my external SD card, but no entry for the build-in SD |
| 19:34.15 | KotCzarny | zap: fstab is ignored anyway |
| 19:34.25 | KotCzarny | by nokia's scripts |
| 19:34.29 | zap | aha |
| 19:34.30 | pupnik | nice n800n |
| 19:34.36 | zap | why they write to fstab then? |
| 19:34.41 | KotCzarny | who knows |
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| 19:34.50 | zap | legacy stuff it seems :) |
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| 19:35.20 | jott | we all know it's not LSB but it's NSB the nokia standard base |
| 19:35.33 | zap | :)) |
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| 19:35.58 | KotCzarny | offtopic, anyone used usb sound card in linux ? |
| 19:36.02 | zap | well at least they converged with gtk |
| 19:36.09 | jott | KotCzarny: yes i've one on my router :) |
| 19:36.22 | jott | works like a charm |
| 19:36.30 | KotCzarny | jott: have you experienced lags when switching songs etc. ? |
| 19:36.42 | KotCzarny | looking like big buffers etc. |
| 19:36.53 | jott | hm not really, using mpd via oss |
| 19:37.02 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:37.18 | KotCzarny | i'm using mplayer, and while seeking is ok, switching songs takes ~4-6s |
| 19:37.26 | n800n | man quiver is almost perfect. are there any devs here working on it? |
| 19:37.46 | jott | i use this - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5831 really great for the price |
| 19:38.24 | KotCzarny | jott: hmm, interesting, it works with linux without problems? |
| 19:38.47 | jott | KotCzarny: yes openwrt out of the box (after ipkg install bla) |
| 19:38.52 | KotCzarny | humm |
| 19:39.07 | KotCzarny | what are usb vid:pid of this? |
| 19:39.22 | jott | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.624 oh actually it's this one.. |
| 19:39.29 | jott | don't know if they differ |
| 19:39.42 | jott | mom checking ids |
| 19:39.51 | jott | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0c76:1605 JMTek, LLC. |
| 19:39.54 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 19:40.10 | KotCzarny | Your search - 0c76:1605 - did not match any documents. |
| 19:40.11 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:40.16 | zap | Hmm, how do I manage to get /home on mmc2, but have it visible through USB... |
| 19:40.30 | jott | oO should be atleast at linux-usb.org id list ;) |
| 19:40.33 | KotCzarny | zap: not going to happen |
| 19:40.38 | zap | why? |
| 19:40.42 | KotCzarny | zap: just use sshfs |
| 19:40.58 | KotCzarny | jott: yeah |
| 19:41.06 | zap | I would like to have my home on a persistent storage |
| 19:41.10 | KotCzarny | jott: send a report for devs? :) |
| 19:41.12 | zap | to avoid losing it on reflashes |
| 19:41.23 | KotCzarny | zap: clone os to mmc |
| 19:41.28 | jott | KotCzarny: works fine and is detected fine so ... :) |
| 19:41.41 | KotCzarny | jott: yeah, but thx for info it works with linux |
| 19:41.49 | zap | the whole OS? |
| 19:41.51 | KotCzarny | i was reluctant because i haven't seen any reports |
| 19:41.57 | KotCzarny | zap: yeah, that's what i have |
| 19:42.02 | DaniloCesar | andrunko, Do you have an address for your .git instead of gitweb? (about QT Keyboard for maemo ) |
| 19:42.07 | zap | how do you make it start from there? |
| 19:42.21 | KotCzarny | zap: fanoush initfs |
| 19:42.28 | zap | got the idea |
| 19:42.37 | zap | although I don't know who's fanoush |
| 19:42.43 | KotCzarny | some hacker |
| 19:42.46 | KotCzarny | but it works |
| 19:42.46 | zap | so kernel & initrd still starts from ROM |
| 19:43.07 | zap | well thats a bit more than I wanted :) |
| 19:43.18 | zap | I'll try to mount mmc2 early in rcS |
| 19:43.30 | KotCzarny | zap: you are asking for troubles |
| 19:43.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:43.35 | zap | sure :) |
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| 19:43.44 | zap | thats why I bought Nokia for |
| 19:43.55 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.30 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi |
| 19:44.42 | Navi | hi |
| 19:45.41 | KotCzarny | jott: is it duplex device? |
| 19:46.07 | DaniloCesar | andrunko, I'd founded... thanks |
| 19:46.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | i'm trying to select event in a sql database, how can i include reccuring event ? does doing it in sqlite or doing it in the code (python) ? what is the more efficient ways ? |
| 19:47.09 | jott | KotCzarny: never tested if it does full duplex but it has a mic imput. i just use it to have music in the kitchen (controlled via n810 yay! :) |
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| 19:47.23 | zap | by the way, how to access the serial port on Nokia? |
| 19:47.43 | KotCzarny | jott: heh, it could be a great way for a speakerphone in the kitchen |
| 19:47.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:47.52 | Khertan_on_n810 | there is no serial rs232 port |
| 19:48.03 | zap | sad, such a handy thing :) |
| 19:48.19 | johnx | usb -> rs232 |
| 19:48.47 | zap | a real rs232 is better :) |
| 19:49.01 | KotCzarny | bt -- rs232 ? |
| 19:49.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:49.10 | zap | even worse :) |
| 19:49.13 | jott | KotCzarny: heh yeah maybe. could even be used for voip :).. well just order it - it costs basically nothing :) |
| 19:49.21 | zap | a real rs232 is available immediately after kernel startup |
| 19:49.28 | KotCzarny | jott: yeah, i like free shipping option :) |
| 19:49.30 | zap | bt and usb needs tricky setup first |
| 19:50.28 | zap | /dev/ttyS0 is working |
| 19:50.36 | zap | so actually there *is* a rs232 |
| 19:50.50 | zap | umm, maybe that's bluetooth |
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| 19:53.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | arg no To_days() function in sqlite |
| 19:53.09 | jott | zap: under the battery are pins from which two *should* be tx/rx but i don't know if their assignment is known |
| 19:53.33 | zap | jott: interesting |
| 19:53.53 | jott | (know to the comunity that is :) |
| 19:53.56 | jott | known |
| 19:54.04 | jott | smacks keyboard |
| 19:54.34 | n800n | at least you have a keyboard. |
| 19:54.46 | jott | hehe not much longer ;) |
| 19:54.50 | n800n | if i throw the stylus i'm screwed |
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| 19:55.04 | jott | you can always use your nose :) |
| 19:55.23 | n800n | i do have a weird nose but i'm no michael jackson |
| 19:55.27 | KotCzarny | or nails |
| 19:55.31 | zap | aha, mounting is handled by HAL |
| 19:55.57 | n800n | n800 wishlist: bogger screen so my nose can do better callibration |
| 19:56.01 | n800n | bogger. |
| 19:56.04 | n800n | :/ |
| 19:56.16 | n800n | time to stop typing |
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| 19:56.17 | n800n | laters |
| 19:56.59 | zap | bah, /etc/init.d/ttyusb0 starts a serial console on an RS232-to-USB cable, if found |
| 19:57.03 | AStorm | hmm, hsd OMWeather recently ceased to work for you? |
| 19:57.15 | AStorm | s/hsd/has/ |
| 19:57.21 | jott | zap: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ there are some infos about the 770 serial port |
| 19:57.50 | Capn_Fish | johnx: Still here? |
| 19:57.58 | johnx | yeah |
| 19:58.02 | Capn_Fish | cool |
| 19:58.02 | johnx | got right click working |
| 19:58.05 | johnx | much easier than I thought |
| 19:58.09 | zap | cool |
| 19:58.10 | Capn_Fish | Great! |
| 19:58.15 | zap | it's 3.3V but neverless... |
| 19:58.17 | Capn_Fish | Using gtkmousethingy? |
| 19:58.22 | johnx | yeah |
| 19:58.25 | johnx | so only for gtk apps |
| 19:58.36 | Capn_Fish | ;( |
| 19:58.37 | johnx | but if people want to install something else they can figure it out |
| 19:58.47 | Capn_Fish | I see. |
| 19:58.57 | Capn_Fish | I'll just have to finish my hacking, then :) |
| 19:59.07 | johnx | yes. please, hack on this |
| 19:59.25 | Capn_Fish | Will do, once I get it booting :) |
| 19:59.26 | jott | zap: yeah just get a max232 :) |
| 19:59.50 | johnx | I'll probably clean it up and release it tomorrow or the next day |
| 20:00.00 | Capn_Fish | I'll be waiting |
| 20:00.01 | johnx | screen rotation works great, too :) |
| 20:00.27 | Capn_Fish | I kind of consider that a party favor, like KDE: not so useful, but cool nonetheless |
| 20:00.48 | Capn_Fish | Not to demean your work, of course |
| 20:00.49 | johnx | it was one of those convenience things. I was there and it took like 5 minutes to repackage |
| 20:01.00 | Capn_Fish | Ya. I know the feeling. |
| 20:01.02 | johnx | nah, not my work at all, just a quick repackage job |
| 20:01.23 | johnx | in fact, this is really *all* a collection of other people's work |
| 20:01.37 | Capn_Fish | So are many projects |
| 20:01.48 | Capn_Fish | But it's still work, and much appreciated |
| 20:02.20 | johnx | anyways, sound won't happen for this release, but maybe I'll try and get together some way to configure wireless graphically |
| 20:02.20 | zap | how rc*.d directories are handled in OS 2008? |
| 20:02.29 | johnx | zap, same as debian |
| 20:02.41 | zap | unfortunately, I'm a RedHat fan :) |
| 20:02.53 | zap | what commands? |
| 20:03.05 | johnx | aaah, update-rc.d maybe? |
| 20:03.08 | Capn_Fish | Not an issue for me. I don't use sound anyway, nor do I use a GUI for wireless config |
| 20:03.08 | zap | aha |
| 20:03.11 | zap | thank you :) |
| 20:03.30 | johnx | Capn_Fish, Right, but lots of people do, including me :) |
| 20:04.10 | Capn_Fish | Ya. It will make it more appealing to the masses. I'm just trying to show that I don't mind using (pre-)beta software as my main OS |
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| 20:04.51 | johnx | the big deal breaker is that display blanking will have to be CLI only and battery life will probably be reduced to <3 hours unless you actually turn it all the way off |
| 20:05.11 | Capn_Fish | Just like a regular comp |
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| 20:05.28 | Capn_Fish | Why can't you blank the display in X? |
| 20:05.42 | johnx | no DPMS support in this build of xomap |
| 20:05.55 | johnx | and rebuilding it seems like a pain |
| 20:05.55 | Capn_Fish | Is xomap a pain to rebuild? |
| 20:06.01 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:06.04 | Capn_Fish | Fair enough |
| 20:06.14 | johnx | well ok, then |
| 20:06.24 | johnx | that would be a great thing to do then :) |
| 20:06.31 | Capn_Fish | Is it just a scratchbox build? |
| 20:06.33 | johnx | there are DPMS patches hanging around somewhere too |
| 20:06.34 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:06.42 | Capn_Fish | I can do it if that's the case and have sources |
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| 20:08.32 | KotCzarny | capn: apt-get source xorg-server |
| 20:08.44 | Capn_Fish | And if I don't use Debian...? |
| 20:08.46 | johnx | this might provide DPMS support or set your tablet on fire: http://pastebin.com/m78b630da |
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| 20:08.57 | KotCzarny | capn: scratchbox's command |
| 20:08.58 | johnx | Capn_Fish, scratchbox uses apt-get :) |
| 20:09.04 | Capn_Fish | Gotcha |
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| 20:09.21 | Capn_Fish | I'll try it when Aleph One finishes building |
| 20:09.52 | johnx | cool |
| 20:09.56 | Capn_Fish | Is this Debian build going to have the Maemo interface, or will it be CLI? |
| 20:10.06 | johnx | xfce, by popular request |
| 20:10.17 | KotCzarny | johnx: add fluxbox as an option too? |
| 20:10.28 | Capn_Fish | Nice, so I can just remove Xfce and build up from essentially the CLI? |
| 20:10.29 | johnx | KotCzarny, if you want fluxbox, run apt-get install fluxbox |
| 20:10.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:11.02 | Capn_Fish | More to the point, will it be like OS2008, in that if you kill X, it shuts down? |
| 20:11.09 | johnx | definitely not |
| 20:11.24 | Capn_Fish | Great! That's really irritating |
| 20:11.26 | johnx | the only evidence of that god forsaken watchdog is that if you suspend it will die in 60 seconds |
| 20:11.54 | johnx | you could use flasher to kill it for good and suspend all you want though :) |
| 20:12.12 | RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY |
| 20:12.15 | Capn_Fish | What? |
| 20:12.36 | johnx | something like flasher --disable-wd-reboot or somesuch |
| 20:12.54 | Capn_Fish | What do you mean about the 60 seconds thing? |
| 20:13.27 | johnx | it pings the device and certain apps every 30 seconds and if they don't respond in 60 it reboots |
| 20:13.36 | Capn_Fish | Ahh, gotcha |
| 20:13.39 | johnx | it's Nokia's idea to keep you from being stuck with a hung machine |
| 20:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | Don't forget to bring a towel! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/36692?nohighlight=1#36692 |
| 20:13.55 | KotCzarny | johnx: reset button would be nicer.. |
| 20:13.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:14.01 | lcuk | hi gen, not seen you floating around for a while |
| 20:14.02 | Capn_Fish | That even effects Debian? |
| 20:14.16 | johnx | Capn_Fish, yes |
| 20:14.27 | Capn_Fish | Most unfortunate. |
| 20:14.39 | Capn_Fish | I will have to look into that. |
| 20:14.42 | johnx | for lack of a better method, the debian boot process is: kernel -> nokia initrd -> debian /sbin/init |
| 20:14.58 | johnx | if you don't use the nokia initrd you lose battery charging :) |
| 20:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm at home |
| 20:15.06 | Capn_Fish | That may be an issue. |
| 20:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | IRC hasn't been a priority. ;) |
| 20:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just got my old Quicksilver back up to speed anyway. |
| 20:15.34 | johnx | you can run the battery daemon manually if you want |
| 20:15.37 | lcuk | cool |
| 20:15.57 | lcuk | have you given any more nokias away then this time |
| 20:16.01 | n800n | <belve> i learned all my german from wolfenstein 3d |
| 20:16.14 | Capn_Fish | You can't just add it to the boot process? |
| 20:16.14 | n800n | misfire |
| 20:16.42 | johnx | Capn_Fish, you could, but you have to muck around with chrooting into Nokia's initrd |
| 20:17.00 | Capn_Fish | Nah, I'll just flash the reboot thing out. |
| 20:17.09 | Capn_Fish | Chrooting is a pain |
| 20:17.26 | johnx | so I'd have to use a modified kernel that booted directly to SD, chroot back into initrd, run bme in that env, and then continue |
| 20:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, though I'm about to sell one of my 770s for cheap. ;) |
| 20:18.10 | Capn_Fish | Not worth it. Flashing the reboot thing out is much simpler |
| 20:18.43 | johnx | exactly, and I'd never get people to try debian if they had to flash a different kernel that wouldn't work with OS2008 |
| 20:19.24 | Capn_Fish | That's one of the major reasons so few people tried pdaXrom r1xx on the Zaurus, IMO. uBoot scared them off. |
| 20:19.33 | johnx | uboot scared *me* away |
| 20:19.40 | johnx | and with good reason |
| 20:20.12 | Capn_Fish | Why? It's near impossible to brick a Z |
| 20:20.22 | johnx | and yet people have done it with uboot |
| 20:20.39 | johnx | maybe I just let the horror stories get to me |
| 20:20.45 | johnx | it just seemed so unnecessary |
| 20:20.53 | Capn_Fish | I haven't heard of a case of actual bricking |
| 20:20.58 | Capn_Fish | It IS unnecessary |
| 20:21.03 | johnx | ah, just people panicing? |
| 20:21.17 | Capn_Fish | One of the devs foobared his bootloader, and moved to uBoot to compensate |
| 20:21.26 | johnx | heh |
| 20:21.28 | johnx | awesome |
| 20:21.30 | Capn_Fish | Ya, people forget about the Fn+D+M menu stored in ROM |
| 20:21.45 | Capn_Fish | You can restore your Z from there after doing ANYTHING software-wise |
| 20:22.28 | KotCzarny | nokia doesn't have any easy way to restore broken bootloader |
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| 20:22.38 | Capn_Fish | I have a question for you, before I go too much further with my right-click scheme |
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| 20:22.46 | johnx | ok |
| 20:22.55 | Capn_Fish | If an app is in fullscreen mode, will X still catch events? |
| 20:23.07 | Capn_Fish | Or will the app get them first? |
| 20:23.12 | johnx | X or the WM? |
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| 20:23.23 | Capn_Fish | uh... |
| 20:23.26 | Capn_Fish | X, I guess |
| 20:23.35 | KotCzarny | x hands events to an app |
| 20:23.40 | johnx | well it has to has them, if I understand correctly |
| 20:23.55 | johnx | *well X has to have |
| 20:24.26 | Capn_Fish | So if I put the code in X, it should work, but if it's a separate daemon/in the WM, it most likely won't work for fullscreen apps. |
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| 20:24.36 | Capn_Fish | Yet another reason to rebuild X :) |
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| 20:24.57 | johnx | well you could have something that's fullscreen all the time |
| 20:25.30 | Capn_Fish | I might as well add it to X, if I can figure out where |
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| 20:26.48 | Capn_Fish | Also know that I've never really used Xlib before, so it would be an adventure to figure out more than I have |
| 20:27.05 | johnx | I'm not much of a programmer |
| 20:27.12 | johnx | I just hack on stuff if I'm forced to |
| 20:27.38 | Capn_Fish | I'm more the other way around, except not great at either |
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| 20:28.10 | johnx | anyways, any other simple stuff you think I should clean up before a release? |
| 20:28.20 | Capn_Fish | Keymapping? |
| 20:28.25 | johnx | as in? |
| 20:28.38 | johnx | make a nice keymap for the N810 keyboard? |
| 20:28.38 | Capn_Fish | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.49 | Capn_Fish | I would, but I don't have Xev |
| 20:28.53 | johnx | no N810 here :( |
| 20:29.10 | Capn_Fish | Hmm. I'll see if I can find the keymap and edit it for you. |
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| 20:32.09 | Capn_Fish | Where did they put the keymap in OS2008? |
| 20:32.59 | johnx | good question |
| 20:32.59 | AStorm | whee, some dead update in extras-devel |
| 20:33.14 | AStorm | new lms, but no new liblms, which is required |
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| 20:33.47 | KotCzarny | astorm: how's the battery project? |
| 20:34.10 | AStorm | KotCzarny: got almost all needed stuff |
| 20:34.17 | KotCzarny | good |
| 20:34.21 | KotCzarny | any eta ? |
| 20:34.25 | johnx | battery project? |
| 20:34.39 | AStorm | no eta, depends on real life :P |
| 20:34.46 | AStorm | but quite soon |
| 20:35.08 | AStorm | probably on next holidays (that is, two weeks?) |
| 20:35.21 | KotCzarny | good |
| 20:35.54 | johnx | what is this battery project? |
| 20:36.17 | KotCzarny | external battery pack for nokia |
| 20:36.23 | johnx | ah, fun |
| 20:36.29 | KotCzarny | using 2/3/4 AA |
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| 20:36.38 | lcuk | nokia + car battery == still lighter than a laptop ;) |
| 20:36.39 | AStorm | right now 2 |
| 20:36.44 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.47 | AStorm | lcuk: car? |
| 20:36.52 | KotCzarny | lcuk: not true |
| 20:37.02 | KotCzarny | my x32 weighs ~ 3lbs |
| 20:37.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:38.15 | AStorm | we need more touchscreens! |
| 20:38.34 | lcuk | real touch or stylus only? |
| 20:38.36 | Capn_Fish | Bah, forgot to disable OpenGL in my Aleph One build! Now I need to start over... |
| 20:38.40 | Capn_Fish | :( |
| 20:38.52 | KotCzarny | real touch |
| 20:38.54 | KotCzarny | of course |
| 20:38.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:38.58 | lcuk | cos i think a big bad touch screen would be annoying havign to keep wrist off the surface |
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| 20:40.38 | Capn_Fish | Back in a bit |
| 20:40.40 | AStorm | lcuk: that's why we need multitouch |
| 20:40.43 | AStorm | and good sw |
| 20:40.57 | johnx | Capn_Fish, I'm probably heading to bed soon |
| 20:41.03 | johnx | good to talk to you :) |
| 20:41.10 | Capn_Fish | catch you later |
| 20:41.26 | johnx | Look for an announcement on ITT in the next couple days |
| 20:41.35 | Capn_Fish | Will do. |
| 20:41.58 | Capn_Fish | I hope you'll do it in the same Debian thread? |
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| 20:43.21 | RST38h | Anybody has any idea how to pair gnome fs URLs sent by the file manager with fopen()? |
| 20:43.50 | AStorm | check mime database :) |
| 20:44.02 | RST38h | In other words, if I get something like bt:/blablabla/blabla, how do I tell Gnome to load it into a temporary file I can open with fopen()? |
| 20:44.12 | RST38h | no, mime recognition is done at this point |
| 20:44.25 | johnx | Capn_Fish, I'll probably start a new thread since it really is quite different |
| 20:44.33 | RST38h | I am already getting this url via dbus and need to open it, but I only have fopen() in the code |
| 20:44.38 | johnx | do you think I should use the same thread? |
| 20:44.46 | Capn_Fish | fair enough. I'll actually have to look then :) |
| 20:45.02 | lcuk | johnx, make a new one and post a followup at the end of the current thread for ppl watching |
| 20:45.06 | Capn_Fish | Not really. I just didn't have to actually look at the forums as opposed to just using my bookmark |
| 20:45.11 | AStorm | RST38h: hmm, there was a file only toggle in mime db |
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| 20:45.18 | AStorm | i think |
| 20:45.25 | johnx | ah, good points luck and Capn_Fish |
| 20:45.39 | RST38h | I can't toggle things - I am getting them from Nokia's File Manager =) |
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| 20:46.05 | RST38h | But there just SHOULD be some wrapper that downloads those URLs into tmp and returns temp file name? |
| 20:46.26 | rm_you | johnx: announcement of what? :P |
| 20:46.36 | johnx | rm_you, new debian sooooooooon |
| 20:46.39 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:46.53 | rm_you | significantly more useful than the last one? :P |
| 20:46.56 | johnx | yes |
| 20:47.03 | johnx | I'm just going to have it boot into xfce |
| 20:47.10 | johnx | right click works and there's a decent browser |
| 20:47.15 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:47.24 | rm_you | how much work was that? |
| 20:47.33 | rm_you | oh, any news on audio support? :P |
| 20:47.52 | johnx | yup |
| 20:47.55 | johnx | no audio support |
| 20:48.00 | johnx | there's your news :P |
| 20:48.00 | rm_you | <_< |
| 20:48.15 | rm_you | maybe during summer i can ACTUALLY work on that |
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| 20:50.04 | rm_you | does it look entirely hopeless? or like it might be solvable? |
| 20:50.09 | timely | rm_you: did you get your money working? |
| 20:50.13 | rm_you | IE, are there any actual roadblocks? |
| 20:50.14 | timely | s/money/menu/ |
| 20:50.24 | rm_you | timely: haven't had time yet :/ |
| 20:50.30 | rm_you | I have a final in 2 hours :P |
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| 20:50.45 | johnx | rm_you, it's definitely possible to hack sound into working I *think* |
| 20:51.14 | rm_you | and I ran out of computer science classes last semester, which means i'm stuck with random "liberal arts" classes that I actually need to study for |
| 20:51.24 | rm_you | johnx: sweet. I look forward to it :) |
| 20:51.43 | johnx | I don't know how motivated I'll be to work on it though, TBH |
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| 20:52.03 | rm_you | s/to it/to working on it/ |
| 20:52.15 | johnx | :D |
| 20:52.20 | rm_you | XD |
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| 20:53.40 | elb | johnx: nice, "definitely ... I *think*" ;-) |
| 20:53.52 | johnx | heh |
| 20:54.12 | johnx | well I definitely think it's possible, that's all I'm saying :) |
| 20:54.37 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:58.21 | KotCzarny | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10813 |
| 20:58.22 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:58.48 | lcuk | :D i phone gets wood. |
| 20:59.12 | KotCzarny | looks.. fragile |
| 20:59.17 | lcuk | perhaps it saw a nokia seductively sliding open to reveal its full keyboard |
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| 20:59.54 | Cptnodegard | stupid fishperson has been triggering my nickalert all day -.- |
| 21:01.00 | AStorm | lcuk: a fun mod would be N810 with a wooden finish |
| 21:01.13 | KotCzarny | he already has it |
| 21:01.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:01.16 | AStorm | another I tthought of is waterproofing |
| 21:01.21 | lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg |
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| 21:01.53 | lcuk | waterproofing would be tough |
| 21:01.58 | AStorm | naah |
| 21:02.08 | KotCzarny | lcuk: plastic bag with a zipper? |
| 21:02.09 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 21:02.12 | AStorm | I was talking, a mod of N810 |
| 21:02.21 | lcuk | ok, waterproofing that doesnt involve putting 810 into a condom and tying a knot |
| 21:02.21 | AStorm | not additional stand |
| 21:02.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:02.31 | AStorm | lcuk: simple really |
| 21:02.39 | AStorm | add some rubber |
| 21:03.03 | NullM0dem | rubber |
| 21:03.12 | AStorm | keys are already waterproof |
| 21:03.12 | KotCzarny | and a vibration? |
| 21:03.13 | lcuk | if 810 had a grippy rubberised surface to begin with i would never have made my crate |
| 21:03.33 | AStorm | lcuk: no tools t mould one? |
| 21:03.58 | NullM0dem | I have some material from an old JCpenny shoe bag... some sort of thick clear plastic, i can type and use the touch screen, the trick would be waterproofing the seems |
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| 21:04.12 | lcuk | not worth it - i wouldnt go back to a plain device now - the thing i use is much better cos its a wrist rest and biffer handles etc |
| 21:04.29 | AStorm | and very pocketable... |
| 21:04.30 | lcuk | bigger |
| 21:04.30 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:04.39 | lcuk | its not exactly locked in there |
| 21:05.00 | lcuk | tough super kensington rubber band |
| 21:05.11 | AStorm | I'll replace the kickstand with a hard rubber variant |
| 21:05.34 | lcuk | i wanted a wrist strap for mine |
| 21:05.46 | lcuk | but theres no lanyard hole |
| 21:05.54 | AStorm | blah, who cares |
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| 21:06.10 | AStorm | use the kickstand |
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| 21:06.21 | Oniano | hi |
| 21:06.26 | lcuk | its not fat enough - i like your idea of a rubber version |
| 21:06.38 | Oniano | I'm having some trouble compiling example_camera.c |
| 21:06.54 | AStorm | lcuk: use it as a handguard |
| 21:07.03 | AStorm | not a handle |
| 21:07.12 | lcuk | i tried but it pressed against back of hand and was just plain uncomfy |
| 21:07.32 | AStorm | because of sharp edges, I'll fix that |
| 21:07.36 | lcuk | i ended up hanging a hand towel through it and holding the bunch |
| 21:07.56 | lcuk | i missed having something to hold onto when i got this |
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| 21:12.35 | GNUton | hi |
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| 21:13.07 | AStorm | ηι |
| 21:13.14 | AStorm | ;) |
| 21:13.18 | KotCzarny | utfail |
| 21:13.31 | lcuk | UT! |
| 21:13.31 | AStorm | greek utf |
| 21:13.43 | lcuk | goes and blows things up |
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| 21:15.42 | Cptnodegard | that wood thing looks liek the one i made yesterday |
| 21:16.01 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_1305.jpg |
| 21:16.15 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 21:16.48 | Cptnodegard | figured i might as well use the space that the screen stand uses for something sueful |
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| 21:17.18 | KotCzarny | i would have added disco lights too |
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| 21:17.30 | KotCzarny | and removed winxp |
| 21:17.47 | Cptnodegard | i already got a home made jukebox for disco lights |
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| 21:18.14 | Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/worklogs/jukebox.html |
| 21:18.14 | Cptnodegard | :p |
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| 21:23.40 | n800n | it's from the freakin future |
| 21:26.24 | jott | i wonder how many weather apps broke the last days... http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=xoap.weather.com+prod=xoap (it does not work with prod=xoap anymore) |
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| 21:30.16 | jott | that's what you get for not using your private weather station |
| 21:33.52 | KotCzarny | that's what you get for living in a basement |
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| 21:34.36 | NullM0dem | heh i live in a basement too |
| 21:35.08 | jott | hey, that's why wireless communication was invented |
| 21:35.40 | NullM0dem | anyone know of a good replacement for the camera app, mine locks up my n810, and causes the status light to go red |
| 21:35.51 | KotCzarny | mencoder ? |
| 21:35.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.58 | NullM0dem | ah thanks |
| 21:36.12 | lcuk | lol - the red light is when its taking a picture isnt it |
| 21:36.18 | lcuk | but on yours it locks? |
| 21:36.21 | NullM0dem | i can pipe to it? |
| 21:36.49 | NullM0dem | yeah for about 4 minutes till i attach power, then it snaps out of it to display the charging message |
| 21:37.00 | NullM0dem | thats the only event that will unfreeze the nit |
| 21:37.51 | jldiaz | OMweather broke |
| 21:37.58 | Navi | Yeah, we know. |
| 21:37.59 | jott | jldiaz: see above ;) |
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| 21:38.28 | practisevoodoo | anyone here got scummvm on their device? |
| 21:38.41 | PHiiil | Hi i need help for nokia 770 |
| 21:39.03 | jott | http://pastebin.ca/1011117 <- fix is as simple as that |
| 21:39.26 | jldiaz | yes, I was backscrolling but I can't get the start of the topic |
| 21:39.29 | jott | fixed his private weather app too :) |
| 21:40.08 | jldiaz | PHiiil: ask :) |
| 21:40.32 | jott | practisevoodoo: i have scummvm installed |
| 21:41.22 | PHiiil | I like to install the theme for n800 |
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| 21:42.12 | PHiiil | The same you can see on internet tablet talk |
| 21:42.23 | n800n | 45,598 pictures on my n800 |
| 21:42.28 | n800n | and none of it porn |
| 21:42.33 | n800n | cool eh? |
| 21:42.37 | KotCzarny | yeah, sure |
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| 21:43.02 | lcuk | nice small folders or massive monolithic monsters |
| 21:43.11 | n800n | small |
| 21:43.19 | jldiaz | is it possible to use python for coding applets for the Home screen? |
| 21:43.27 | lcuk | you found anything reasonable for browsing them yet |
| 21:43.28 | jott | jldiaz: ye |
| 21:43.29 | jott | s |
| 21:43.47 | jott | quiver is quite ok for browsing pictures |
| 21:44.03 | n800n | quiver is the best one |
| 21:44.08 | lcuk | what format are most |
| 21:44.22 | n800n | i wish it had a shortcut to turn images in full screen |
| 21:44.26 | n800n | jpg and gif |
| 21:44.35 | jldiaz | then I'll try to do a currency tracker |
| 21:45.02 | lcuk | i ask because the lcd is very adept at handling YUV images - jpegs are naturally that :) |
| 21:45.12 | jldiaz | I need to be daily informed of the yen exchange |
| 21:45.16 | n800n | they're beautiful |
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| 21:45.41 | n800n | on this screen |
| 21:46.01 | lcuk | KotCzarny :) another bonus there actually, can strip out the entire yuv->rgb filtering for jpegs |
| 21:46.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.56 | jott | n800n: press l to rotate :) |
| 21:47.10 | n800n | i don't have an l :/ |
| 21:47.29 | KotCzarny | n800n: map hw +/- to r/l |
| 21:47.30 | lcuk | l=left i think |
| 21:47.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.31 | jldiaz | n800n: use wiicontrol and add that shorcut |
| 21:47.39 | KotCzarny | or dpad |
| 21:47.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.41 | n800n | ok now we're getting a little out of hand |
| 21:47.43 | jott | yeah r for right rotation ;) |
| 21:47.53 | n800n | oh |
| 21:48.09 | jldiaz | besides, it should be cool to browse photos with the remote |
| 21:48.10 | Navi | glue the wiimote to the back of your N8X0 |
| 21:48.12 | n800n | i'll try it in a sec but i think the dpad in full screen just goes to the next pic |
| 21:48.23 | Navi | then you can rotate by accelerometer |
| 21:48.30 | n800n | hah |
| 21:48.33 | Navi | We'll be that much closer to iPhone perfection |
| 21:48.35 | jldiaz | navi :) |
| 21:48.36 | n800n | yeah that'll look really classy |
| 21:48.58 | jldiaz | navi, i did that for playing marble madness on fceu |
| 21:49.03 | lcuk | just how small is an accell? could one be made to utilise the serial port on back under battery? |
| 21:49.50 | Navi | I'm not sure how big the smallest accelerometer is |
| 21:50.04 | Navi | but they can get pretty small |
| 21:51.13 | jott | lcuk: http://www.harbaum.org/till/tiltstick/index.shtml |
| 21:51.56 | n800n | whoa numpty physics would be so cool with that thingy |
| 21:52.16 | jott | enigma should be nice too (as seen on the site ;) |
| 21:52.42 | Saviq | Numpty is already so cool ;] |
| 21:52.49 | KotCzarny | using it as a text-input device would be interesting |
| 21:53.22 | jott | KotCzarny: enigma style? ;) |
| 21:53.30 | KotCzarny | dasher style |
| 21:53.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:53.38 | jott | "oh no! i missed again" |
| 21:53.53 | n800n | that kicks ass |
| 21:54.01 | jott | yeah dasher could be funny |
| 21:54.22 | n800n | yeah no flip key on quiver |
| 21:54.34 | n800n | u/d = l/r |
| 21:54.55 | jldiaz | fbreader... |
| 21:56.12 | n800n | laters |
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| 22:12.30 | Saviq | jott: thanks a lot, you got my omweather working for the first time :D (I got my n800 just yesterday) |
| 22:13.17 | jldiaz | eh? how? |
| 22:13.40 | jldiaz | (sorry but scrolling back now is not an option) |
| 22:13.57 | jott | http://pastebin.ca/1011117 |
| 22:14.07 | jldiaz | thx! |
| 22:14.29 | pupnik | it'd be nice if linux had been designed from the ground up to allow save states of any program |
| 22:14.43 | KotCzarny | pupnik: hibernation ? |
| 22:14.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:15.00 | jott | implementation detail?! :P |
| 22:15.18 | pupnik | yes per-app hibernation - save to disk. |
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| 22:15.38 | KotCzarny | i think that's doable |
| 22:15.45 | pupnik | it seems to me you can't just do that with a kernel hack |
| 22:15.52 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 22:15.55 | Saviq | Yeah I wonder when suspend/hibernation'll be available on the n8x0 |
| 22:16.07 | jott | there is cryopid :) |
| 22:16.10 | pupnik | your whole UI needs to support a 'restore'. your peripheral drivers perhaps too |
| 22:16.17 | pupnik | gtk/hildon etc |
| 22:16.24 | jldiaz | does maemo allow the gnome inputh method for unicode chars? (shft+ctrl+u) |
| 22:16.48 | KotCzarny | pupnik: there is minimization, that unmaps windows etc |
| 22:17.14 | jott | but i suppose its x86/amd64 only |
| 22:17.22 | pupnik | good point KotCzarny |
| 22:17.27 | pupnik | duno jldiaz |
| 22:17.38 | pupnik | yeah i looked at cryopid. |
| 22:21.23 | MangoFusion | its going to be available.... |
| 22:21.27 | MangoFusion | the day after.... |
| 22:21.30 | MangoFusion | the release of.... |
| 22:21.34 | MangoFusion | Duke Nukem Forever! |
| 22:21.50 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 22:23.26 | pupnik | "John Carmack mentioned in his keynote at QuakeCon 2007 that the id Tech 5 engine will be OpenGL based, not requiring [microsoft] DirectX 10." Carmack is a god. |
| 22:25.03 | KotCzarny | wasn't he fired by id? |
| 22:25.29 | KotCzarny | or at least moved away from quake series |
| 22:26.06 | glass | id tech 5 engine could be used for whatever |
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| 22:37.31 | Jon | KotCzarny: carmack fired from id?!? he owns it! |
| 22:37.37 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 22:40.03 | NullM0dem | jobs was fired from apple, he owned it too |
| 22:41.39 | dougt | so, i am setting up a page loading test on the n810 so that I can gather automated performance data against the mozilla browser. |
| 22:41.57 | dougt | I would like to be able to run a httpd server on the device to minimize network traffic noise |
| 22:42.08 | dougt | any suggestions on a good httpd for n810. |
| 22:42.21 | dougt | i was hoping to use apache, but that doesn't seem to have been ported. |
| 22:42.37 | KotCzarny | dougt: should compile i guess |
| 22:42.53 | dougt | it should. |
| 22:42.56 | dougt | yeah. |
| 22:43.29 | dougt | but... |
| 22:43.39 | KotCzarny | i can try building it for you if you want |
| 22:43.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:43.40 | dougt | i would rather not have to do that. |
| 22:43.46 | MangoFusion | lighttpd, nginx are two "lightweight" options |
| 22:43.54 | dougt | have you used either? |
| 22:44.00 | KotCzarny | uses thttpd |
| 22:44.02 | dougt | i use lighttpd at home for a media server |
| 22:44.03 | MangoFusion | only the former. on a vps. |
| 22:45.01 | MangoFusion | pretty easy to compile though |
| 22:47.30 | lcdd | use file:// handler? :) |
| 22:48.01 | dougt | lcdd: yeah, but then we are not exercising the most common code path. |
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| 23:07.08 | pupnik | ththtlthp |
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| 23:20.11 | MajMin7 | anyone around? |
| 23:20.47 | MajMin7 | does the N810 have a microphone? |
| 23:20.52 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:20.57 | MajMin7 | oh nice |
| 23:21.09 | MajMin7 | there is an api to capture sound? |
| 23:21.17 | KotCzarny | gstreamer? |
| 23:21.24 | MajMin7 | is that what that is? |
| 23:21.28 | KotCzarny | ? |
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| 23:21.52 | dolske | dougt: run the JS HTTP server that we already use for Mochitests? |
| 23:22.01 | MajMin7 | what is gstreamer? |
| 23:22.11 | KotCzarny | just google for it |
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| 23:22.29 | MajMin7 | did that |
| 23:22.47 | MajMin7 | is this part of the Maemo sdk? |
| 23:23.54 | MajMin7 | ahh |
| 23:23.55 | MajMin7 | there it is |
| 23:26.48 | dougt | dolske: that is an idea. |
| 23:27.02 | dougt | i got Nginx working |
| 23:27.28 | dougt | now I am running into a problem where python2.5 is being "terminated" |
| 23:27.50 | dougt | i am guessing it has somethign to do with the shell being not-bash. |
| 23:27.58 | dolske | you'd have to ask Waldo how it compared in performance to a "real" http server, but for relative perf measurements/tests I'd expect it to be ok... |
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| 23:28.43 | dougt | i only care about relative page speed -- catching regressions, realizing perf gain. |
| 23:28.52 | dougt | keeping the server constant is the important factor. |
| 23:28.54 | dougt | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/425346 |
| 23:29.07 | dougt | that |
| 23:29.15 | dougt | "Terminate" is not from my python code. |
| 23:34.26 | t_s_o | ugh, just watched a video of opera mobile 4.5 on the htc advantage over at jkontherun.com. and if diablo do not bring some speed improvements to microb i would say nokia have seriously dropped the ball... |
| 23:35.04 | wnight | Does anyone have libreadline-ruby? irb is hard to use without it. |
| 23:38.42 | KotCzarny | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3893 |
| 23:38.43 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:38.49 | KotCzarny | 'hot gadget' ? |
| 23:39.01 | KotCzarny | i can understand 'hot' part, but 'gadget' ? |
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| 23:52.45 | Livingroom | oh em gee |
| 23:52.48 | Livingroom | i finally found you guys! |
| 23:52.49 | Livingroom | HAI! |
| 23:53.21 | flo_lap | hi Livingroom |
| 23:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | I prefer the bedroom. |
| 23:53.45 | Livingroom | lolz |
| 23:53.49 | Livingroom | so, i just got my n800 today |
| 23:53.53 | Livingroom | and i'm like rockin' out |
| 23:54.13 | Livingroom | it would be hard to overstate my satisfaction with this device. |
| 23:54.49 | Livingroom | especially now that i've got it tethered to my iphone. thats the epic win right there, baby. |
| 23:55.17 | Livingroom | i actually came here to ask: how do i install nano/pico/etc |
| 23:55.32 | Livingroom | many of the tools i'm used to on debian and ubuntu are not present :( |
| 23:55.49 | KotCzarny | find/compile it yourself |
| 23:56.19 | Livingroom | that sounds like a job for... GCC! |
| 23:56.36 | flo_lap | -> bed, good night |
| 23:56.37 | Livingroom | also, whoever created that motd, i love you. 50 sources FTW |
| 23:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, gronmayer.com/it |
| 23:57.43 | Livingroom | yep |
| 23:57.47 | Livingroom | i went there, it was epic awesome |
| 23:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | It has all the repositories |
| 23:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | and is searchable |
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| 23:58.14 | Livingroom | wedge, it's wonderful :) |
| 23:58.46 | Livingroom | i look forward to many thousands of hours of tweaking my newest *nix box. |
| 23:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | in particular, the nitapps.com repo should have nano |
