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| 00:15.38 | evaryont_ | hm, is openssh on n800/OS2008 a bad choice? I found a bunch of forum posts that I should use bear-something instead of openssh as a ssh server |
| 00:16.12 | Fatal | (dropbear) |
| 00:16.22 | evaryont_ | Fatal: lol right, thanks :) |
| 00:16.22 | KotCzarny | drops bear on fatal |
| 00:16.58 | Proteous | does a barrel roll |
| 00:17.43 | Fatal | no idea about what'd be the best choice, I'm currently using openssh on my n810 |
| 00:18.16 | KotCzarny | the only advantage of using dropbear is lower memory footprint |
| 00:18.31 | KotCzarny | but it's not that much |
| 00:18.36 | evaryont_ | KotCzarny: eh. OpenSSH on my desktops is really low anyways. |
| 00:18.46 | KotCzarny | #maemo> but it's not that much |
| 00:18.46 | evaryont_ | Fatal: you don't notice it? |
| 00:18.58 | evaryont_ | KotCzarny: just saw that after I hit enter :) |
| 00:19.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:20.37 | evaryont_ | goes ahead and installs OpenSSH, which is awesome^awesome |
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| 00:21.51 | lopz | hi |
| 00:22.14 | evaryont_ | why is /sbin not added to $PATH as a normal user? >:/ |
| 00:22.28 | KotCzarny | because it's not meant for user's use |
| 00:22.29 | Fatal | it's not for a normal user |
| 00:23.24 | evaryont_ | eh, I'm not a normal person? lol I don't see why utils such as ifconfig would be put there though, they are really useful for debugging |
| 00:23.43 | lcuk | a normal user doesnt debug things |
| 00:23.47 | KotCzarny | to actually do anything you would need root anyway |
| 00:23.57 | evaryont_ | eh, true :/ |
| 00:23.58 | KotCzarny | and root has /sbin in path |
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| 00:24.11 | Fatal | that choice has always baffled me, but /sbin/ifconfig works fine as user :) |
| 00:24.25 | evaryont_ | KotCzarny: yes |
| 00:24.25 | KotCzarny | define 'works' |
| 00:24.56 | evaryont_ | Fatal: same here. ifconfig is useful. Oh well :) |
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| 00:59.42 | fysa | johnx: you seen http://mojo.handhelds.org/ ? |
| 01:01.09 | fysa | http://mojo.handhelds.org/frisky |
| 01:03.51 | Xamusk | where can I buy a cheap used n800? |
| 01:04.02 | KotCzarny | craigslist |
| 01:04.13 | SDuensin | $219 new on Tiger Direct. |
| 01:06.24 | Xamusk | the same price in amazon |
| 01:06.43 | Xamusk | but I wish I could buy it cheaper... my resources are pretty low right now |
| 01:07.22 | Xamusk | and I also wish to buy a bluetooth gps |
| 01:07.30 | Xamusk | to use it with |
| 01:10.44 | SDuensin | I saw a $150 on Craigslist in St. Louis. |
| 01:10.55 | SDuensin | http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ele/637162975.html |
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| 01:15.51 | evaryont_ | what's the name of the app that allows a person to take a snapshot from the n800's camera? |
| 01:20.16 | SDuensin | I think it's called "Camera" on mine. |
| 01:21.08 | SDuensin | (I don't have it handy to look - sorry.) |
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| 01:40.12 | dick-richardson | burgers on the grill, got 'em perfect :D |
| 01:41.43 | lopz | night |
| 01:48.59 | Xamusk | how much does the battery of the N800 lasts in ON state (to read e-books)? |
| 01:49.52 | elb | a long time |
| 01:50.05 | elb | with wifi and bluetooth off, at least 5 hours of reading, in my experience |
| 01:50.15 | Xamusk | long time can be from 1h to 1 year |
| 01:51.59 | elb | oh, wait, I don't know about the N800 -- my numbers are for the N810 |
| 01:52.05 | Xamusk | hum |
| 01:53.07 | Xamusk | 5h is bad |
| 01:53.28 | Xamusk | maybe I should keep my Palm m100 |
| 01:53.48 | elb | at least 5 hours, is what I said, actually |
| 01:53.54 | elb | but a Palm almost certainly lasts longer |
| 01:53.56 | Xamusk | hum |
| 01:57.19 | Xamusk | too bad |
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| 02:02.08 | johnx | Xamusk, yeah...there's not much that runs on batteries as long as a 68k based Palm |
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| 02:02.28 | johnx | fysa, saw it a while ago |
| 02:02.44 | johnx | I'm not entirely sure why they're doing old distros first though O_o |
| 02:02.53 | Xamusk | too bad I'm not having a stable connection |
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| 02:28.39 | evaryont | What repo is maemo-games-startup in? I'd like to install indtgames but Application Manager can't find it :/ |
| 02:35.34 | Proteous | don't know |
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| 02:41.54 | joyious | Hi there |
| 02:43.08 | joyious | I'm facing a problem using N810's mp3sink and amrsink in my own gstreamer media player |
| 02:44.10 | joyious | i'm using playbing for auto plug in, but the playbin can not find the mp3sink and amrsink correctly |
| 02:44.17 | Proteous | I just have a 770 |
| 02:44.50 | joyious | i thought it's the same in the dsp related sink ï¼ |
| 02:48.13 | johnx | evaryont, maemo-games-startup is for OS2007. Are you trying to install an old game? |
| 02:48.53 | evaryont | johnx: I guess? indtgames depends on it, and I'd like to install it, or do I have to install each of their games seperately? |
| 02:49.56 | johnx | huh...odd. I'm getting the same thing here |
| 02:50.01 | johnx | sorry, I have no idea O_o |
| 02:50.08 | evaryont | lol |
| 02:50.31 | evaryont | does osso-<whatever> provide maemo-games-startup ? |
| 02:50.43 | evaryont | I think the pkg name would be osso-games-startup |
| 02:51.01 | johnx | probably not as apt-get isn't finding it as a valid dependency to install for me |
| 02:51.08 | johnx | anyways, I'm off to work |
| 02:51.10 | johnx | good luck |
| 02:54.48 | evaryont | thanks :/ |
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| 03:22.18 | rafael | hi guys |
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| 03:23.21 | rafael | I need a problem with N800 |
| 03:23.43 | KotCzarny | need a problem? then throw it |
| 03:23.50 | rafael | However, I belive that for yours this problem be very little |
| 03:24.21 | KotCzarny | hammer could also work |
| 03:24.22 | rafael | simply, I do not entry as Root on Maemo (N800) |
| 03:24.44 | KotCzarny | rafael: install ssh-server and do: ssh root@0 |
| 03:25.47 | rafael | I tried, however, it need root to install :S |
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| 03:27.27 | rafael | any idea? any link that you can pass to me? |
| 03:27.29 | benh | is there any negative side effect of enabling RD mode ? |
| 03:28.38 | rafael | yeah, however, I should to be anything with error |
| 03:30.28 | rafael | I access "aplicatives manager"->"tools"->"aplicatives catalogue"->"new" on web address I write "matrix" and cancel |
| 03:30.55 | rafael | and then, I clicked in "red" |
| 03:30.59 | benh | heh, there's a DSP in the tablet, I didn't even know :-) |
| 03:31.02 | rafael | right? |
| 03:31.05 | benh | it's in the omap or it's separate ? |
| 03:31.20 | KotCzarny | rafael: r&d mode is NOT red pill mode |
| 03:31.46 | rafael | :S not?! |
| 03:31.50 | rafael | hahaha |
| 03:32.02 | benh | KotCzarny: what is red pill mode btw ? I enabled r&d with 0xffff to get root etc... I didn't know there also was a red pill mode :-) |
| 03:32.26 | rafael | for this, I don't have a sucess! |
| 03:32.36 | KotCzarny | benh: red pill disables the need for packages to have "user/" in "Section:" |
| 03:33.00 | KotCzarny | i never used r&d mode |
| 03:33.04 | KotCzarny | for root i use ssh |
| 03:33.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:33.20 | rafael | and how I can enable R&D mode? |
| 03:34.07 | benh | KotCzarny: not sure what "having user/ in Section: means but I suppose it has to do with installing some types of packages.. |
| 03:34.10 | benh | heh, interesting |
| 03:34.24 | rafael | any quickly answer? (different of "google") |
| 03:34.27 | benh | reading the docs... it's funny how they insist that you should be using the gstreamer framework for perfs etc... |
| 03:34.48 | benh | while from some quick tests, mplayer for maemo is significantly better/faster than their codec |
| 03:34.55 | KotCzarny | banh: it's a nokia's try to comb the packages in app man |
| 03:35.14 | benh | KotCzarny: I see |
| 03:35.21 | benh | KotCzarny: thx |
| 03:36.11 | benh | has access to the DSP been reverse engineered ? or it's still nokia-provided use only ? |
| 03:36.19 | benh | (unless I misread the docs) |
| 03:36.20 | rafael | I have developed a ODF reader on tournament of programation, however, those devices was all installed :P |
| 03:36.40 | KotCzarny | gstreamer or write your own task using it dsp compiler |
| 03:36.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:38.51 | benh | ok so we do have a dsp compiler etc.. it's not some kind of uber srkit bit |
| 03:38.53 | benh | good |
| 03:38.53 | rafael | thanks for this tips dear friends... |
| 03:39.03 | benh | I haven't toyed with a DSP for ages, I might have fun with it some day |
| 03:39.07 | benh | what kind of DSP is it ? |
| 03:39.13 | KotCzarny | specialized |
| 03:39.17 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 03:39.26 | KotCzarny | google it site i guess |
| 03:39.32 | KotCzarny | for omap2 |
| 03:40.04 | rafael | Anybody is Brazilian in here? |
| 03:41.19 | rafael | no? |
| 03:43.39 | rafael | ok |
| 03:43.57 | rafael | thanks very much for tips again |
| 03:44.11 | benh | brb |
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| 03:45.10 | rafael | You is BR? |
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| 03:48.31 | benh | hrm... the install.txt for scratchbox/sdk is a bit weak |
| 03:48.41 | benh | any tip on how to add a user to scratchbox before installing the sdk ? |
| 03:48.57 | KotCzarny | just follow install.txt |
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| 03:49.17 | benh | KotCzarny: yeah, forgot to use -u to add a user at install time |
| 03:49.32 | benh | I suppose I can just reinstall |
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| 04:03.46 | pupnik | Rethinking IP Completely: |
| 04:03.52 | pupnik | http://mises.org/multimedia/mp3/ASC2008/ASC08-Kinsella.mp3 |
| 04:04.02 | pupnik | By N. Stephan Kinsella May 1, 2008 |
| 04:04.10 | benh | heh, red pill mode makes app mgr pretty useless |
| 04:04.12 | Proteous | Internet protocal or intelectual property |
| 04:04.29 | benh | version fields becomes 80% of the displayed width leaving barely 8 or 9 chars visible of the package name |
| 04:04.33 | benh | (in full screen !) |
| 04:04.40 | benh | fun |
| 04:04.43 | Proteous | heh |
| 04:04.45 | benh | goes command line |
| 04:04.52 | KotCzarny | it's not red pill, it's b0rken packages |
| 04:04.59 | KotCzarny | with veeeeeeery long version info |
| 04:05.23 | KotCzarny | like 2006+something+something_other+some_stuff_+weee_loove_to_talk |
| 04:06.05 | benh | yeah |
| 04:06.16 | benh | it's annoying that the columns can't be resized tho |
| 04:06.50 | benh | heh, everybody can't resist making his own music player I see :-) |
| 04:09.12 | flatface | is there one that does gapless playback yet? |
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| 04:13.12 | benh | heh, there's no pipe sign on the keyboard ! oops |
| 04:14.12 | pupnik | Proteous: intellectual property |
| 04:14.19 | pupnik | He's an IP lawyer |
| 04:14.25 | Proteous | thanks |
| 04:14.37 | pupnik | Some stuff i'd never heard before |
| 04:17.18 | konttori | were you guys able to get the frisky configured for the application manager? ( fysa, johnx) |
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| 04:39.52 | dick-richardson | what does phonelink do? |
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| 04:47.22 | Italodance | dick-richardson sms and call with ur bluetooth |
| 04:47.53 | dick-richardson | Italodance: thank you. :) |
| 04:48.23 | dick-richardson | anyone know if you can send and receive sms messages w/o a phone? |
| 04:48.52 | Italodance | dick-richardson w/o? |
| 04:49.30 | KotCzarny | dickr: most companies allow you to use www to do it, but it's limited often |
| 04:49.50 | doc|home | dick-richardson: clickatell.com |
| 04:50.14 | dick-richardson | :D |
| 04:50.21 | dick-richardson | thank you! |
| 04:50.34 | doc|home | although those are wholesalers of sms messages, I'm working on something else for less demanding users |
| 04:50.43 | doc|home | still much cheaper than telecomms providers |
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| 05:01.11 | adam_ | Where can I find python-pygtksourceview at |
| 05:01.54 | dick-richardson | I'm using curl to send post requests to a site...how do i handle special characters? |
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| 05:05.26 | adam_ | Where can I find python-pygtksourceview at? |
| 05:05.34 | pupnik | google? |
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| 05:15.14 | scibot | Can anyone recommend a task manager for maemo? It doesn't have to be in the todo list style, I'm more looking for personal recommendations. |
| 05:15.26 | scibot | Even if it's the text editor. =/ |
| 05:16.44 | dick-richardson | I use top |
| 05:17.02 | scibot | What's that? |
| 05:17.20 | dick-richardson | open up the command line and type 'top' |
| 05:17.33 | dick-richardson | better yet, install htop |
| 05:17.42 | KotCzarny | i think he needs something else |
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| 05:17.49 | Grackle | That's a system taks manager, silly. |
| 05:17.55 | Grackle | He means a personal task manager. |
| 05:18.08 | dick-richardson | I'm incredibly slow. 2 demerits for me |
| 05:18.27 | dick-richardson | gpe todo is good |
| 05:18.37 | Grackle | hehe |
| 05:20.01 | flatface | all of the gpe programs I've tried to install have placed me in dependency hell. could never get them installed properly :/ |
| 05:21.05 | dick-richardson | flatface: really? I didn't have that problem. you use the gronmayer.com/it repo recommendation? |
| 05:21.48 | dick-richardson | how do you send function keys at the command line? f1-f10 |
| 05:21.50 | flatface | Can't remember, I last tried a few months ago. Let me check my repos |
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| 05:22.48 | flatface | ...hm. I've got www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ |
| 05:22.59 | flatface | I'll try the one you linked, thanks |
| 05:23.18 | dick-richardson | np. :) |
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| 05:25.53 | pupnik | awesome, zodttd got his pandora |
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| 09:02.16 | lcuk | my 810 is dead after 7.5 hours idling |
| 09:02.28 | lcuk | 8 hours unplugged |
| 09:02.35 | KotCzarny | you have probably left something running |
| 09:02.54 | qwerty12 | Probably not, battery life on mine sucks. |
| 09:03.00 | lcuk | it happens every single night |
| 09:03.05 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 09:03.09 | lcuk | from reboot it is dead in that time |
| 09:03.11 | KotCzarny | what applets you have? |
| 09:03.19 | KotCzarny | statusbar ? |
| 09:03.25 | KotCzarny | desktop apps? |
| 09:03.29 | lcuk | yer - and i noted that refreshes every hour |
| 09:03.34 | lcuk | ievery second |
| 09:03.45 | lcuk | is that the price i pay for seeing cpu usage.. |
| 09:03.52 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 09:03.58 | KotCzarny | i have cpu usage applet too |
| 09:04.05 | KotCzarny | and it idles ~8-10 days |
| 09:04.09 | lcuk | maybe if it saw that machine was locked it should not check |
| 09:04.09 | Cptnodegard | me too and i get days |
| 09:04.28 | KotCzarny | check your config |
| 09:04.31 | lcuk | i did leave wifi on, but nothing connected (i closed everything at this end) |
| 09:04.34 | KotCzarny | it's definitely something running |
| 09:04.42 | qwerty12 | Which CPU applet? The graph one or the load applet (the screenshot one) |
| 09:04.42 | KotCzarny | with wifi i get 1-3 days |
| 09:04.43 | lcuk | i know that, but its been running from day 1 |
| 09:04.46 | Cptnodegard | yesterday mine almost depleted in hours, because i left it right in the zone where the wifi signal dropped out. it kept reconnecting and disconnecting all the time |
| 09:04.52 | lcuk | load applet |
| 09:05.04 | Cptnodegard | load applet ftw |
| 09:05.06 | qwerty12 | +` |
| 09:05.13 | qwerty12 | s/+`/+1 |
| 09:05.19 | lcuk | can i change the usage of the lock slider |
| 09:05.26 | KotCzarny | that regexp would fail |
| 09:05.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:05.30 | lcuk | so when i lock it it turns off weifi+bluetooth |
| 09:05.43 | lcuk | weifi :) cool, new wireless |
| 09:05.45 | KotCzarny | you can enable wifi idle disabling |
| 09:05.46 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 09:05.55 | qwerty12 | mce may control that lock slider, not sure, I have N800. |
| 09:06.03 | KotCzarny | ie. if it's not used for 60min it disconnects from ap |
| 09:06.04 | Cptnodegard | i leave wifi on all the itme... doesnt drain much IMO (at least considering its online in gtalk, refreshing rss etc) |
| 09:06.28 | lcuk | cos thats how i lock it at night - click app menu, close *ahem* fbreader and then slide the lock |
| 09:06.51 | KotCzarny | still, you have something running |
| 09:07.01 | KotCzarny | maybe it's locked on performance cpufreq? |
| 09:07.27 | lcuk | i cant even blame it on performance, im working towards running everything on ondemand |
| 09:07.27 | qwerty12 | I wonder if AStorm got CPU_TIMER stats to work in .25, you could run powertop then. |
| 09:07.40 | lcuk | i lowered default res for this reason |
| 09:07.55 | Cptnodegard | you might have something that accesses the memory card a lot... that usesa shitload of power |
| 09:08.18 | lcuk | my evil genius overlord program is calculating things? |
| 09:08.30 | KotCzarny | could be |
| 09:08.38 | KotCzarny | run top and see |
| 09:08.53 | lcuk | but that is meant to be inconspicuous - its meant to be low power until it takes over the world |
| 09:09.03 | lcuk | i cant its shut down |
| 09:09.22 | KotCzarny | if it drains battery before it reaches it's goal.. |
| 09:09.37 | lcuk | tether |
| 09:10.04 | qwerty12 | I still wonder if CPU_TIMERSTATS was fixed in .25, because then powertop could be used. My kernel crashes with it built, hrw's kernel works with it but wifi is disabled. |
| 09:10.07 | lcuk | ok, so you guys can hold a wifi connection for days what about if i leave a putty session open and run top at opportune moments |
| 09:10.23 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 09:10.47 | lcuk | will me holding a putty session open from this computer drain battery much faster |
| 09:10.47 | KotCzarny | as long you don't send/receive any data you can even turn off wifi |
| 09:10.56 | KotCzarny | and session will stay |
| 09:11.15 | lcuk | i actually think all this is related to my adhoc wifi |
| 09:11.21 | KotCzarny | could be |
| 09:11.47 | KotCzarny | try setting wifi idle to 60 min. |
| 09:12.05 | lcuk | i would like to switch to try bt network for a while but its too much faffing nw |
| 09:12.23 | lcuk | i did that, most nights i disable wifi totally |
| 09:12.28 | lcuk | disconnect^ |
| 09:13.29 | lcuk | i can get at top and the stats from my own program can't i |
| 09:13.40 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 09:14.18 | qwerty12 | Does it defeat the purpose of a "port" when you have to include a killing script with it? |
| 09:14.22 | lcuk | if i write my own little program to sleep for a minute, grab all top stats, sleep again etc |
| 09:14.46 | KotCzarny | lcuk, i think kernel can gather stats all by itself |
| 09:15.03 | lcuk | but how does it share them with mere mortals? |
| 09:15.33 | KotCzarny | i think it's oprofile in kernel |
| 09:15.52 | lcuk | that needs recompile of kernel |
| 09:16.14 | KotCzarny | get used to recompiling the kernel |
| 09:16.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:16.22 | qwerty12 | It's not hard :) |
| 09:16.28 | qwerty12 | Even I can do it. |
| 09:16.29 | lcuk | once i start down that road i dont know where it will end |
| 09:16.47 | qwerty12 | You don't have to flash the resulting kernel, you can just boot from it one time. |
| 09:16.55 | lcuk | im hoping to do as much as possible within the bounds other people have |
| 09:17.06 | lcuk | but thats not testing what i have here is it |
| 09:18.03 | lcuk | my compilation may have other attributes set or compiler optimisations or even just a different compiler - i dont know the full toolchain to produce an identical (barring oprofile) modification |
| 09:18.19 | KotCzarny | hum? |
| 09:18.27 | qwerty12 | ? |
| 09:18.41 | KotCzarny | if you change gcc version |
| 09:18.46 | KotCzarny | it changes kernel 'magic' |
| 09:18.58 | KotCzarny | so it knows modules are different |
| 09:19.00 | KotCzarny | more or less |
| 09:19.01 | lcuk | so i can go and get the full kernel right now i can produce an identical binary to the kernel on my machine |
| 09:19.05 | KotCzarny | and refue to load them |
| 09:19.21 | KotCzarny | same goes for compilation flags |
| 09:19.34 | KotCzarny | ie smp, preempt, i686 |
| 09:20.21 | lcuk | i686 is useful on this machine ;) |
| 09:20.28 | KotCzarny | it was just an example |
| 09:20.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:20.32 | lcuk | i know |
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| 09:23.07 | lcuk | hmmm i have been here before |
| 09:23.10 | lcuk | top_log_viewer.vbp |
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| 09:26.03 | lcuk | yup, ive even got the top log script |
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| 09:27.43 | lcuk | while true ; do date >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; top -n1 >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; sleep 5 ; done |
| 09:28.20 | KotCzarny | mount tmpfs somewhere |
| 09:28.24 | KotCzarny | and log to it |
| 09:28.30 | KotCzarny | that way you will save battery |
| 09:30.28 | lcuk | battery is already dying, not an issue. i only left that log running and building stats for a couple of hours last time, ill leave it going this evening |
| 09:31.53 | lcuk | it didnt really show anything though then either |
| 09:33.28 | lcuk | top was highest cpu abuser for most of the time |
| 09:33.39 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 09:34.38 | lcuk | maybe i should ignore top in the % |
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| 09:36.28 | KotCzarny | maybe you should gather stats in some other way? |
| 09:37.05 | lcuk | well im open to suggestions which dont involve a new kernel |
| 09:37.23 | KotCzarny | bah. |
| 09:37.25 | lcuk | hence me thinking about a little program myself |
| 09:37.49 | KotCzarny | why are you so afraid of new kernel? |
| 09:38.36 | qwerty12 | You can extract original one from the RX44 bin image when you are done. |
| 09:40.14 | qwerty12 | bollox, I hate it when I close sbox accidently. |
| 09:40.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:40.29 | KotCzarny | i have a script that start sbox for me |
| 09:40.38 | KotCzarny | and closes when i'm done with it |
| 09:40.43 | qwerty12 | I used to have one but it got deleted when I reformatted. |
| 09:40.49 | qwerty12 | I jacked the one from the vmware image. |
| 09:41.08 | KotCzarny | just put all the repeated command into a file |
| 09:41.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:41.21 | lcuk | changing the kernel feels like walking into the garage and hearing "[sucking air through teeth] hmmmm i cant tell why your engine is knocking, lets build you a new one and replace your existing one to find out whats wrong" |
| 09:41.39 | KotCzarny | like cat 0 > vdso; mount; sbox-start; sbox-stop; umount; echo 1 > vdso |
| 09:41.39 | qwerty12 | But you can easily change the kernel back. |
| 09:41.51 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, nice, thanks |
| 09:42.10 | KotCzarny | those weren't actual command, more like hint |
| 09:42.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:42.16 | qwerty12 | I just keep vdso disabled permanently via sysctl. |
| 09:42.23 | qwerty12 | Ah, I shall use those hints :) |
| 09:42.48 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i like rotation |
| 09:42.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:43.22 | KotCzarny | and if you use default config and build kernel in scratchbox, you should get the exact kernel you have on nokia |
| 09:43.41 | qwerty12 | exactamont (in broken French) |
| 09:43.42 | KotCzarny | ie. make n800_config; make |
| 09:43.51 | qwerty12 | I use nokia_2420_defconfig |
| 09:44.02 | lcuk | different issue, if you want a high performance engine with turbos |
| 09:44.04 | KotCzarny | that was also a hint |
| 09:44.16 | qwerty12 | Mine wasn't ;) |
| 09:44.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:45.31 | qwerty12 | :). lcuk: Think of it like this, using nokia_2420_defconfig would produce an identical kernel to the one you already have. So it would be like the engine being the same but with different engine oil etc (I don't have a car btw) |
| 09:46.12 | KotCzarny | well, even oil should be the same |
| 09:46.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:46.19 | qwerty12 | hehe true :) |
| 09:46.26 | qwerty12 | A speck of dust then :p |
| 09:46.43 | lcuk | prefers to just get a stethascope and listen to the current engine to make a clean diagnosis |
| 09:46.45 | KotCzarny | it's more like getting a factory that can build the same model |
| 09:46.57 | lcuk | with an o |
| 09:47.04 | KotCzarny | then having factory you can tweak some params |
| 09:47.18 | KotCzarny | and produce a little different model |
| 09:47.27 | glass | lcuk: if you have blueprints and produce a new engine with relatively little electricity.... |
| 09:47.28 | KotCzarny | with features added/removed |
| 09:47.46 | qwerty12 | lcuk, you can't brick the N810 with a dodgy kernel. |
| 09:47.53 | lcuk | i dont want a new engine :'( i want to find out whats wrong with my current one |
| 09:48.11 | glass | you're more likely to find it out from blueprints? |
| 09:48.29 | KotCzarny | lcuk, but for that having a factory to build modified ones could help diagnosing the differences |
| 09:48.35 | glass | rather than taking the compiled engine apart |
| 09:48.36 | qwerty12 | Agreed. |
| 09:48.46 | lcuk | im not afraid of bricking or breaking or anything, im more concerned that ill put oprofile and the problem will go away and ive wasted a day learning how to do it but the core problem remains in the default kernel |
| 09:48.49 | KotCzarny | ie. add that, see if it runs better/worse |
| 09:49.12 | KotCzarny | lcuk: default kernel will change with the next os upgrade |
| 09:49.21 | KotCzarny | so what's the point of treating it as absolute? |
| 09:49.24 | lcuk | yes fine, ill upgrade it then |
| 09:49.40 | qwerty12 | Go on! :) |
| 09:49.43 | glass | of course if your stuff has to run on default kernel |
| 09:49.43 | KotCzarny | but to have a better kernel at the next upgrade problems should be diagnosed |
| 09:49.45 | lcuk | but i wont have had to learn extra stuff |
| 09:50.11 | KotCzarny | also, if a simple change can make it run better |
| 09:50.25 | qwerty12 | (I'm interested to learn how to add oprofile btw, so I'll keep a watch on this chan. Last time I tried, I failed) |
| 09:50.29 | KotCzarny | people would do it and swap the default for the better |
| 09:50.40 | lcuk | glass, of course i want my stuff to run on default kernel - i cant expect people to have to change their just to run my code |
| 09:50.56 | glass | lcuk: yeah |
| 09:51.31 | KotCzarny | people will do anything if you can convince them it will be better |
| 09:51.53 | lcuk | so far though you 2 havent convinced me |
| 09:51.55 | KotCzarny | rotation/xrandr is a good example |
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| 09:52.22 | lcuk | but what happens when nokia releases an update? |
| 09:52.38 | lcuk | do they keep r&r? |
| 09:52.45 | KotCzarny | who knows |
| 09:53.07 | KotCzarny | my bet they will use current -omap branch of kernel |
| 09:53.26 | KotCzarny | current in mainstream, not in nokia.com |
| 09:53.47 | qwerty12 | nah, they won't - it's unofficial community hack so nokia wouldn't support it. But patch is available so it isn't hard to port and apply yourself. |
| 09:53.48 | KotCzarny | and i think that patch is already in -omap |
| 09:54.05 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 09:54.12 | KotCzarny | that's the beauty of openness |
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| 09:54.59 | lcuk | so joe blow with his rotating nokia will lose it when nokia releases diablo, they then have to scrabble around to regain a feature. its not ideal |
| 09:55.18 | KotCzarny | lcuk, as a developer you need tools that are not usefull for joe blow |
| 09:55.37 | qwerty12 | You applied a unofficial community hack in the first place, you should be prepared to accept consequences. |
| 09:55.42 | KotCzarny | but it doesn't stop you from installing them on your tablet |
| 09:55.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:55.49 | qwerty12 | Also, xomap may need updating for diablo. |
| 09:56.12 | lcuk | 100% agree that i can do whatever i want, but if i expect users to have to do the same it becomes a big problem at upgrade time |
| 09:56.39 | KotCzarny | then you just revert to 'original' kernel/libs for testing |
| 09:56.40 | lcuk | better to work with whats available |
| 09:56.47 | KotCzarny | or ask people to test |
| 09:56.58 | KotCzarny | or just keep 2 machines |
| 09:57.24 | lcuk | hence my original question: how can i log and monitor cpu stats on my device without having to reflash a new kernel |
| 09:58.00 | jott | lcuk: i really don't get your point. you can even boot a oprofile enabled kernel without flashing it. |
| 09:58.56 | KotCzarny | lcuk: probably by analyzing files in /proc |
| 09:59.35 | jott | if you use a oprofile kernel you will use it just for benchmarking/profiling your application/system, when you are done - reboot and get the vanilla nokia kernel back |
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| 10:01.00 | jott | on the other hand - when you achieve a huge perfomance boost or some really nice improvements on a kernel level, there are alot of people willing to take the consequences |
| 10:01.03 | qwerty12 | lcuk, if you decide to go oprofile, http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/05/22/oprofile-and-maemo-n800/ |
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| 10:01.42 | qwerty12 | v.old however. |
| 10:01.56 | KotCzarny | i think pupnik had some fun with oprofile |
| 10:02.01 | qwerty12 | yeh |
| 10:02.25 | qwerty12 | he couldn't mount those modules I compiled against stock nokia kernel for him :/ |
| 10:02.37 | qwerty12 | s/mount/insmod |
| 10:02.51 | jott | oprofile is nice for some quick and dirty profiling. |
| 10:03.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: if you are interested in simply generating run stats, you can compile your app with gprofile inrofmation |
| 10:04.04 | KotCzarny | that will save the log of used functions with some oeverhead |
| 10:04.15 | KotCzarny | and then another tool can generate report from it |
| 10:04.45 | KotCzarny | i think it's: -fprofile-generate |
| 10:04.53 | KotCzarny | or -pg |
| 10:05.06 | lcuk | im already happy which parts of my program are ok - i just wanna see where my battery is draining to |
| 10:05.25 | lcuk | did you write a command line battery level viewer? |
| 10:05.33 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:05.43 | KotCzarny | but it's more like raw dc voltage from battery |
| 10:05.45 | lcuk | where is it? - ill put it in my little thing |
| 10:05.54 | KotCzarny | usual link |
| 10:05.55 | lcuk | thats ok, it will allow me to track |
| 10:06.29 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, oh yeah, I figured out why my retu values were being returned as fffffff :) |
| 10:06.30 | lcuk | oprofile is above and beyond what i need right now - ill find out in the morning whats happening - ill just run as normal and leave my little script running overnight |
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| 10:06.56 | KotCzarny | lcuk: /n800/kcbatt/ |
| 10:07.06 | KotCzarny | qwerty: root needed :) |
| 10:07.57 | qwerty12 | Yep :). I was running it via personal menu with root option ticked but it doesn't run anything after battery-status as root so it was just running && kcbatt rather than && sudo kcbatt :) |
| 10:08.24 | KotCzarny | qwerty: chown root kcbatt; chmod +s kcbatt |
| 10:08.32 | KotCzarny | and you can run it as user then :) |
| 10:08.53 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks :). I was using sudo with ALL = ALL NOPASSWD etc |
| 10:09.00 | lcuk | hmmm kot, something wrong with your dns |
| 10:09.07 | KotCzarny | which one? |
| 10:09.16 | lcuk | using your normal domain+port gives The server at 192.168.1.32 is taking too long to respond. |
| 10:09.29 | KotCzarny | add port :23280 |
| 10:09.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:09.38 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 10:10.01 | lcuk | hmmm indeed, it pings ok |
| 10:10.56 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ |
| 10:10.56 | lcuk | ping your domain gives 68.blah, but trying from browser gives a 192.blah error |
| 10:12.01 | qwerty12 | If you don't mind me asking, does the "gather_data" stuff run on computer using logs/dumps from kcbatt running on the N800? |
| 10:12.07 | lcuk | heh - without the trailing slash it gives error |
| 10:12.34 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i think only script 0_something runs on device |
| 10:12.45 | KotCzarny | the rest is just parsing/plotting |
| 10:12.59 | KotCzarny | which can be done anywhere (assuming you have utils/skills) |
| 10:13.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:13.02 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks. The graph looks cool, I'd be interested in trying it out sometime. |
| 10:13.12 | qwerty12 | Nah, I don't have skills :D |
| 10:13.31 | KotCzarny | i went lazy way and wrote dat -> gnuplot conversion in php |
| 10:13.54 | KotCzarny | feels a little vbish |
| 10:14.02 | KotCzarny | but just a little |
| 10:14.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:14.07 | lcuk | if it gets the job done |
| 10:14.13 | KotCzarny | definitely |
| 10:14.20 | qwerty12 | fo sure |
| 10:14.21 | KotCzarny | fast enough and easy to modify |
| 10:15.11 | lcuk | incidentally, my bother with parsing strings in c, the top_log viewer thing i hacked up in vb uses this sort of line for parsing |
| 10:15.11 | lcuk | qScan(lin, qt, "stp ", "[d.nam] [d.mon] [d.num] [d.h]:[d.m]:[d.s] GMT [d.yr] :: [d.title]") |
| 10:15.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:15.40 | lcuk | ive started to put same thing into c :) |
| 10:15.41 | KotCzarny | i think you will see something similiar in .phpsh |
| 10:15.47 | lcuk | yer probably |
| 10:16.28 | KotCzarny | \d is any digit in regexp |
| 10:16.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:16.57 | KotCzarny | \s is any spacing char |
| 10:17.11 | KotCzarny | + is one of more of the char on the left |
| 10:17.14 | lcuk | i looked at regex and its another language entirely - it hurt my head ;) |
| 10:17.22 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you will love it |
| 10:17.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:18.22 | lcuk | i reorganised all the page/stroke/point code last night in prep for proper saving - i no longer allocate a buffer array of points as i am drawing the stroke ive got linked list :) |
| 10:18.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:19.31 | KotCzarny | i should move myself into the bed |
| 10:19.36 | lcuk | im just worried about fragmentation cos calling malloc on lots of little bits is bad so i thought, but then realised that at some level malloc must be a bit sensible |
| 10:19.49 | lcuk | sudo apt-get install kot_in_bed |
| 10:19.58 | lcuk | or something |
| 10:20.05 | KotCzarny | then just call malloc in a loop once |
| 10:20.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:20.39 | KotCzarny | off i go |
| 10:20.45 | KotCzarny | night ppl |
| 10:20.47 | qwerty12 | night |
| 10:20.52 | lcuk | nite |
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| 10:21.28 | qwerty12 | So seeing as it's gonna be quiet, what's happenin my gangstas? |
| 10:23.38 | lcuk | im stripping and rebuilding lots of code |
| 10:23.52 | lcuk | ive got the bits for my battery test tonight and can get on with actual work |
| 10:24.03 | qwerty12 | Cool |
| 10:24.21 | lcuk | :D whats even better is its bank holiday tomorrow |
| 10:24.37 | qwerty12 | Yep :D |
| 10:24.48 | qwerty12 | No school for me tommorow, w00t |
| 10:24.50 | lcuk | and then on tuesday im calling finland and confirming my cc details with travel agent |
| 10:25.16 | lcuk | infact i could do that tomorrow, chances are they havent got a holiday |
| 10:25.22 | qwerty12 | Nice :). Enjoy yourself :) |
| 10:25.58 | lcuk | in amongst all this planning for linuxtag ive got to stop everything and go on real family holiday |
| 10:26.33 | lcuk | is surrounded by suitcases |
| 10:26.55 | qwerty12 | lol, I wish I was. Furthest I've been is in Bolton :( |
| 10:27.26 | qwerty12 | is tempted to smack my N800 up if it keeps on saying Usb device not supported. |
| 10:27.29 | lcuk | well this year is the first time we have managed to get abroad on our own wallet |
| 10:28.17 | qwerty12 | Still, it's a nice thing though :) |
| 10:28.55 | qwerty12 | has an odd impulse to compile another kernel |
| 10:28.59 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Linuxtag would be neat.. If I manage to get vacation I'll probably join there as wel |
| 10:29.24 | qwerty12 | So, what is happening in Linuxtag, in a nutshell? |
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| 10:30.26 | lcuk | there are a number of nokia maemo presentations and talks, and on the wider linux scene similar things from lots of companies |
| 10:30.46 | qwerty12 | Ah nice, thanks for clearing it up for me. |
| 10:30.46 | lcuk | i dont actually know everything thats going on, but im glad i have the chance to go and see everything |
| 10:31.14 | lcuk | its a chance to see the best of breed from the scene |
| 10:31.28 | qwerty12 | If I'm being honest, if I was a couple years older and I knew a LOT, I'd go to see more of Berlin :p |
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| 10:31.56 | lcuk | well im there for a few days - im sure i wont sit inside the whole time |
| 10:32.15 | qwerty12 | hehe, I'd hope not :p |
| 10:32.16 | lcuk | though since i will have a tan (having just got back from family holday a few days before) im not sure i will get in the door |
| 10:32.30 | lcuk | "im sorry son, you are not pale enough to enter this linux convention" |
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| 10:35.10 | qwerty12 | "son, Do You Know Why I'm Stopping You For?" |
| 10:36.08 | qwerty12 | Man, the exam authorities should lower the time for the Citizenship exam :/ :( |
| 10:43.31 | lcuk | in england? |
| 10:43.43 | qwerty12 | Yep |
| 10:44.08 | lcuk | where are you from originally then if you are taking? |
| 10:44.47 | qwerty12 | Everyone has to take it in school. I'm originally Pakistani that was born in this country. |
| 10:45.42 | lcuk | i thought if you were born here you were considered english on paperwork |
| 10:46.13 | lcuk | not that it matters, good luck with passing it - ive heard its quite tough |
| 10:46.52 | qwerty12 | Yeah, it's a school subject. Everyone of any nationality in school has to take it. (It's usually an optional subject but our school forces everyone to take it). Its about things like AIDS, Bullying etc. |
| 10:46.54 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 10:47.09 | konttori | just videod a small presentation of the wiicontrol. Just about to push it to youtube. |
| 10:47.56 | lcuk | lol konttori i laugh everytime i hear about controlling your wii |
| 10:48.17 | konttori | ;) |
| 10:48.25 | lcuk | qwerty12, you live in london now dont you |
| 10:48.27 | qwerty12 | lmao |
| 10:48.29 | qwerty12 | lcuk, yes :) |
| 10:48.55 | lcuk | how you feel about boris becoming mayor - as an outsider i think he will do ok |
| 10:50.08 | qwerty12 | I'm not sure TBH, I want to see what he does yet. Ken wasn't great either imo, a lot of bus fares increased. But the free travel on buses for under 16's was a nice touch. |
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| 11:01.35 | lcuk | :D w000t i have finally got my computer all to myself. cbeebies works on the laptop |
| 11:02.28 | keesj | konttori: in combo with maemo I guess? |
| 11:02.30 | qwerty12 | Lol, in this house, we all have our own computers :p |
| 11:03.07 | konttori | wiicontrol and maemo. yes |
| 11:04.44 | konttori | Latest version with gyro support in here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3996/wiicontrol-1.02_all.deb |
| 11:05.42 | konttori | I'll try to make a publish blog today. |
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| 11:17.50 | konttori | Wiicontrol demo video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnZpkeFhGs |
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| 11:20.31 | jldiaz | hey, konttori :) |
| 11:20.40 | konttori | Hi jldiaz! |
| 11:21.12 | jldiaz | I had no time yet to look at your latest .deb |
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| 11:21.39 | jldiaz | but I'm looking at the video :-) |
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| 11:22.58 | lcuk | konttori, you have a black fronted 810 :O |
| 11:23.23 | qwerty12_N800 | wimax |
| 11:23.24 | konttori | Umm.. nope, it's standard frontend. It's just so bright in the room |
| 11:23.25 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
| 11:23.26 | lcuk | spray paints his |
| 11:23.45 | qwerty12_N800 | is this a preview of diablo too? :p |
| 11:24.04 | konttori | I do have a wimax *as well*, but that device on the video is my n810. Special version though (8gb internal card) |
| 11:24.18 | lcuk | dev model |
| 11:24.48 | Oniano | konttori: 8GB internal?! |
| 11:24.55 | konttori | Nope, it's not dev model. We just received surprise presents from the factory. |
| 11:25.10 | lcuk | you are going to bring lots of cool things to ltag |
| 11:25.37 | konttori | As you can imagine, Nokia is really good at tailoring products and they just thought they'll make us happy with a surprise. Well, we were! |
| 11:25.59 | lcuk | i bet :) |
| 11:26.39 | lcuk | goes to his shed |
| 11:26.54 | qwerty12_N800 | packs bags for Helsinki to get a job :p |
| 11:32.21 | konttori | published the wiicontrol blog: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:33.33 | konttori | we are hiring at the moment, so if you are interested in a relocating to helsinki and in working with some seriously cool linux stuff, then you might want to contact the nokia guys at linuxtag. |
| 11:36.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Nice :), I don't have the knowledge yet and the extra numbers on my age! But I think it would be nice if I could program and I was old enough. |
| 11:39.11 | konttori | well, summer trainee positions *may* also come. Otoh, they may be a bit difficult for non-finnish people. |
| 11:40.01 | konttori | goes to have lunch |
| 11:40.32 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, my aptitude for languages is really bad, i can't speak my mother tongue ;/ |
| 11:40.33 | jldiaz | bon apetit! |
| 11:40.40 | qwerty12_N800 | s/;//:/ |
| 11:40.46 | qwerty12_N800 | enjoy |
| 11:50.47 | RST38h | konttori: Are you actually hiring people to do linux development? |
| 11:56.54 | RST38h | .ÆÏÛÜØ ÊÛÅÅÛÉÜ |
| 11:57.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Russian? |
| 11:57.40 | RST38h | yea, forgot to switch the register |
| 12:01.16 | mbuf | konttori, we are hiring; who is we? |
| 12:01.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Nokia |
| 12:01.32 | mbuf | ok |
| 12:01.59 | qwerty12_N800 | probably the Linux/internet tablet division |
| 12:02.25 | mbuf | qwerty12_N800, ok |
| 12:03.30 | qwerty12_N800 | I'd like to work in rnd so I could steal the plans for retu (it goes in their phones too) :p |
| 12:03.46 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Employment at Nokia? Thanks, but no thanks. ;) Thinking about the german factory I'd rather choose an employer with better manners. |
| 12:04.06 | mbuf | but do Nokia take consultants, rather than direct employment |
| 12:04.22 | mbuf | ? |
| 12:04.32 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't think nokia would close down an Helsinki office... |
| 12:05.58 | RST38h | Blafasel: You can get laid off by ANY employer |
| 12:06.37 | RST38h | Standard practice. And in the US, you will also get escorted off premises by security guys. |
| 12:06.44 | Mikho | there was a cultural aspect as well with the german factory |
| 12:06.57 | Blafasel | RST38h: But killing a whole factory after reaping a huge amound of subsidy (right word?), directly before you announce huuuge profits is - poor ;) |
| 12:07.29 | RST38h | Blafasel: Corporation is no human being. Ethical considerations do not apply here. |
| 12:07.43 | Mikho | well, they're optimizing winnings. Just like everyone |
| 12:07.44 | mbuf | RST38h, very true; all corporations do that |
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| 12:08.24 | Blafasel | RST38h: As soon as taxes are used to pay for these things I guess it's getting emotional. |
| 12:09.35 | Blafasel | "My money payed for X and X sucks/is wrong" is the attitude that usually arises. Not that I'm "OMG! Never buy Nokia devices again" or something, but I _am_ pissed off and still think that it's wrong/sad. |
| 12:10.03 | RST38h | Blafasel: Your taxes are probably used for a lot of weird stuff, from sex change surgeries to subsidies for Kosovar drug traders |
| 12:10.59 | RST38h | So, just write 'em off and think of something positive |
| 12:11.01 | Blafasel | RST38h: Proves for that? :) In this case I _know_ where it went. You are presenting chances, theories, assumptions or whatever. |
| 12:11.10 | Mikho | where did it go? |
| 12:11.21 | Blafasel | Mikho: Hm? |
| 12:11.30 | Mikho | sorry, just joined the conversation |
| 12:12.48 | Mikho | what are the taxes used for at the moment? |
| 12:13.49 | Blafasel | Mikho: Hm? I can name you some big projects nationally, some minor locally - but what are you trying to say/ask? |
| 12:14.36 | Mikho | you said the taxes are used to pay for "these things". What is these things? |
| 12:15.28 | Mikho | *are |
| 12:15.35 | Blafasel | Mikho: I was talking about the Nokia factory in Germany/Bochum - it received quite a lot of federal and state money |
| 12:15.48 | Mikho | from germany? |
| 12:15.51 | Blafasel | Yep |
| 12:16.00 | Mikho | oh |
| 12:16.16 | RST38h | Hasn't Nokia agreed to return the money though? |
| 12:16.18 | Blafasel | Standard stuff for huge plants - they create jobs and get money for that |
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| 12:17.55 | Blafasel | RST38h: Not that I know of - the last info that I had was that they don't want to pay the stuff back, but that's old news. I hope I didn't miss that? |
| 12:18.41 | RST38h | let me look it up |
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| 12:20.57 | RST38h | No news of the payback, but at least I have found you someone to blaim :) |
| 12:21.01 | RST38h | s/blaim/blame/ |
| 12:21.03 | Blafasel | Ah.. No, as far as I know they talk about a compromise: Nokia invests money in a foundation for Bochum and the state doesn't sue Nokia for about 60 mil. Euro. |
| 12:21.09 | RST38h | Ah |
| 12:21.22 | RST38h | THE ROMANIANS, Blafasel! You are losing it to Romanians. |
| 12:21.28 | Blafasel | So - better than I thought, yes ;) |
| 12:22.01 | Blafasel | RST38h: Well - no problem with that. I guess they'll reap some subsidy there as well for creating a new factory.. ;-p |
| 12:22.20 | RST38h | Blafasel: Probably not |
| 12:23.13 | RST38h | Last time I checked, the place was the usual east-european hellhole. No GDP to speak about, poor citizens, low wages. |
| 12:23.30 | RST38h | [notice the low wages part :)] |
| 12:23.49 | Blafasel | Sure |
| 12:25.19 | Blafasel | (Or maybe the US would be nice - paying in $ instead of Euro :) ) |
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| 12:27.52 | pupnik | the state shouldn't interfere with the economy |
| 12:28.16 | RST38h | not possible nowadays |
| 12:28.32 | RST38h | although you can minimize interference |
| 12:30.06 | pupnik | yes but to minimize, liberalism must be taught in schools etc |
| 12:30.15 | pupnik | orry for the offtopic |
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| 12:32.40 | RST38h | Periodic killing of every third civil servant will be more effective |
| 12:33.13 | pupnik | lol |
| 12:33.48 | RST38h | And yes, by all means, start with Department of Education... |
| 12:33.49 | pupnik | so why is german govt threatening to sue? |
| 12:33.55 | pupnik | :) |
| 12:34.11 | pupnik | they bribed VW a lot for a plant, then vw moved it away too, iirc |
| 12:35.55 | pupnik | but there was no breach of contract. just stupid policy decisions :) |
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| 12:44.41 | evaryont | Why would I want to 'tether' my cell phone to my n800? What does it mean when I do tether them together? I can already pair them, is there anything more? |
| 12:45.05 | lcuk | tethering works well with a nokia certified gimp mask |
| 12:45.39 | lcuk | tethering is just the term for using your mobile phone to get internet |
| 12:45.50 | qwerty12_N800 | s/gimp mask/gimp suit |
| 12:47.02 | lcuk | sudo apt-get install lunch |
| 12:48.44 | evaryont | lcuk: thanks a lot. Internet access via phone is useful. :) |
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| 13:09.51 | gpd | Is it / might it be possible to ever plug a three.co.uk / other 3G broadband USB dongle into an N8x0 to get full on the go internet? |
| 13:11.16 | RST38h | Probably |
| 13:11.32 | gpd | good answer. |
| 13:12.06 | gpd | major bottle necks? driver + USB host mode + other? |
| 13:13.03 | TheNewAndy | I'd suspect that driver for the device would be a bottleneck (I think even on x86 linux they are a bit fiddly) |
| 13:13.10 | TheNewAndy | (though I've never used one) |
| 13:13.41 | qwerty12_N800 | whi |
| 13:13.52 | qwerty12_N800 | ch model is the modem? |
| 13:13.52 | gpd | but a generic USB 3G modem with Linux support might work - then it would be a case of finding a provider that supported the card. |
| 13:14.02 | gpd | Huawei e220 USB Modem |
| 13:14.16 | gpd | ZTE MF622 USB Modem |
| 13:14.23 | gpd | both of those are mentioned on the site |
| 13:14.39 | qwerty12_N800 | i made a qu |
| 13:14.43 | qwerty12_N800 | i made a quick build of umtsmon which supports it |
| 13:15.16 | qwerty12_N800 | i never tested however |
| 13:15.47 | qwerty12_N800 | check the zte thread on itt for some tools i ported |
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| 13:16.07 | lcuk | wouldnt it be easier if you used a mobile with 3g modem inside and connected via some sort of personal wireless networking interface |
| 13:16.20 | lcuk | i feel blue that i can't remember, its on the tip of my tongue |
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| 13:16.44 | gpd | lcuk: which phone would you suggest? |
| 13:17.12 | gpd | i was under the impression that using the phone as a modem was very costly with most providers (in the UK) |
| 13:17.23 | lcuk | i dunno, go into a phone shop and ask - i thought most business phones had impressive data plans and tethering capabilities |
| 13:18.02 | gpd | This three.co.uk dongle is much cheaper - hence the interest. but maybe you are right |
| 13:18.12 | lcuk | getting a dinky PAYG phone with basic funcionality would likely be the rip off |
| 13:18.24 | lcuk | have you checked to see if other 3 phones work |
| 13:18.40 | lcuk | after all, the 3 dongle is just a mobile phone without a screen or keypad |
| 13:18.54 | gpd | no - not done much as yet - cheating by asking in here and hoping kind people would have the answers without too many hours of research |
| 13:19.41 | lcuk | i use my 810 exclusively on wifi - i checked at first if my o2 ice would work with its built in 3g data modem but because its PAYG its all locked down |
| 13:19.59 | lcuk | im sure there is a way i could use it, but tbh i just cant be arsed i didnt get it for roaming |
| 13:20.21 | gpd | I have O2 Simplicity - but use an ancient phone and not sure whether now is the time to upgrade it. nothing out there is very exciting. |
| 13:20.37 | gpd | was away from wifi yesterday and got annoyed - couldn't face the btopenzone charge |
| 13:20.53 | lcuk | when you do go looking, take your nokia with you andask them to see it working with your device |
| 13:21.19 | RST38h | heh |
| 13:21.33 | gpd | last time i asked vodafone they said it was going to cost a fortune to use the phone to dialup - maybe that was PAYG |
| 13:21.49 | lcuk | no, they wanted you using the dialup internet |
| 13:21.55 | lcuk | thats not what the full 3g is |
| 13:21.56 | RST38h | $0.20/MB here, no contract required, no tethering charge |
| 13:22.07 | gpd | RST38h: which provider? |
| 13:22.26 | RST38h | MTS.RU :) |
| 13:22.41 | gpd | lcuk: any idea which Nokias are in the running to do this 'full 3G' of which you speak? does it have to be superfancy N95 etc? |
| 13:23.22 | lcuk | well i have cheapest most bog standard o2 phone, it is fully 3g and technically has all the hardware in it, but the software is locked down |
| 13:23.47 | gpd | also: anywhere other than expansys.com you would buy from - especially unlocked phones |
| 13:23.48 | lcuk | i think if i got the same thing on a contract it would work but as i say i didnt look too far |
| 13:24.10 | gpd | lcuk: simplicity is very good if you use more than £15 /mo in calls / texts |
| 13:24.17 | lcuk | i prefer to buy from the main dealer - i got my o2 phone from o2, i got my nokia from nokia.. |
| 13:24.30 | lcuk | i dont though - its rare i get through more than 10 |
| 13:25.41 | RST38h | actually, $0.18 |
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| 13:26.52 | gpd | any magic search terms I should use to find phones that will give full 3G via N800? |
| 13:27.27 | AStorm | all HSDPA will |
| 13:27.45 | AStorm | as long as they themselves get full 3G |
| 13:27.52 | RST38h | search for "hsdpa" |
| 13:28.06 | RST38h | Prefer phones that support DUN BT profile, too |
| 13:28.13 | gpd | great - thanks - will leave you all in peace and do my research |
| 13:28.26 | AStorm | pan is fastern and also works |
| 13:28.31 | AStorm | with an added driver |
| 13:28.38 | RST38h | yea, but it requires extra software |
| 13:28.57 | pH5 | but PAN with a group of tablets around a single phone is fun :) |
| 13:29.41 | RST38h | Umgh! |
| 13:30.13 | RST38h | Anybody knows what the "93 tv stations" post on ITT is all about? I tried these streams and non of them appear to work, at least on PC |
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| 13:32.23 | AStorm | this aep dsp is some sound processor |
| 13:32.51 | AStorm | boosts bass and adds crossover |
| 13:39.13 | gpd | Nokia E51 looks suitable - but still a bit expensive |
| 13:40.30 | Blafasel | What the hell is PAYG? |
| 13:40.39 | qwerty12_N800 | pay as u go |
| 13:40.39 | gpd | pay as you go |
| 13:41.19 | Blafasel | Ah.. Tried to read it as a mixup between pay and 3g, which didn't make sense for me. |
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| 13:42.41 | Blafasel | I have unlimited (well, probably there are hidden limits that they just don't advertise) 3G access on my phone, but the signal sucks most of the time. I really need to switch to vodafone or something soon |
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| 13:44.44 | RST38h | gpd: E51 case wears out in a matter of weeks |
| 13:45.06 | RST38h | starts developing spots for some reason |
| 13:45.29 | gpd | RST38h: other suggestions? |
| 13:45.37 | gpd | 6121? cheaper... :) |
| 13:46.26 | RST38h | Maybe... |
| 13:57.38 | RST38h | uses E70 which kid of defeats the need for a tablet |
| 13:57.44 | RST38h | s/kid/kind |
| 13:58.46 | jldiaz | anyone knows how to *permanently* get rid of the toolbar in osso-xterm? |
| 13:59.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Use osso-xterm from svn |
| 13:59.28 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy and jott both have builds |
| 14:00.03 | jldiaz | there are no side effwcts? |
| 14:00.33 | RST38h | unless you pray to Satan every wednesday, it quits. |
| 14:00.34 | qwerty12_N800 | none at all afaik |
| 14:00.44 | jldiaz | issues with utf8 or whatever? (I'm spanish) |
| 14:01.33 | qwerty12_N800 | You can switch the encoding |
| 14:01.48 | jldiaz | I'll give it a try. I suppose I can return to standard osso-xterm in case of trouble |
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| 14:02.51 | jldiaz | anyway, there is no configuration file for xterm where storing the toolbar preferences? |
| 14:03.13 | qwerty12_N800 | it's in gconf |
| 14:04.06 | jldiaz | ah, thx |
| 14:04.56 | qwerty12_N800 | np, /apps/osso/xterm is where mine is |
| 14:05.39 | RST38h | btw. how do you return to the standard xterm? |
| 14:06.05 | qwerty12_N800 | non svn , i.e stock build? |
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| 14:09.01 | konttori | published updated version of wiicontrol: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3997/wiicontrol-1.03_all.deb |
| 14:09.12 | konttori | Only updated the install postinst script. |
| 14:09.14 | RST38h | qwerty: yep |
| 14:10.01 | konttori | And updated the blog to include the link as well: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3997/wiicontrol-1.03_all.deb |
| 14:10.36 | qwerty12_N800 | it's not in a repo so you would rebuild 0.14.mh3 from svn |
| 14:11.23 | qwerty12_N800 | (mine is stock atm) |
| 14:11.24 | RST38h | ah |
| 14:11.24 | qwerty12_N800 | alternatively, I could tar up the files? |
| 14:11.53 | RST38h | it was an academic question but thanks :) |
| 14:12.03 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 14:17.18 | kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/04/ogg-support-07-canola-interoperability/ |
| 14:17.35 | kulve | feel free to test and report all new issues to me |
| 14:17.50 | qwerty12_N800 | cool :) |
| 14:18.12 | kulve | I'm not sure if the new LMS ogg package is already there. I suppose it is.. |
| 14:19.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Is there any ogg converters available on the tablet? |
| 14:19.21 | kulve | actually I didn't find the lightmediascanner0-ogg yet.. |
| 14:19.41 | kulve | qwerty12_N800: converters? like mp3->ogg? Not that I know of.. |
| 14:20.04 | kulve | shouldn't things like that be done on a more powerful computer.. |
| 14:20.20 | derf | Things like _that_ shouldn't be done. |
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| 14:20.42 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, thanks, i'm gonna try anyway :p |
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| 14:21.58 | Veggen | kulve: hey, I compiled dcraw for my n810. which means that in a pinch, I could convert Nikon raw pictures (NEF) to jpeg. I actually envision having use for it some day, although not on a grand scale ;) |
| 14:22.43 | Veggen | (it took 100% of the CPU and all the RAM for around a minute or more, but it did produce a jpeg picture) |
| 14:23.04 | qwerty12_N800 | I think it's already in repo's :/ |
| 14:23.48 | derf | Ah hah, found the file: http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/heehee.ogg |
| 14:23.51 | NullM0dem | the n810 is a workhorse :-) |
| 14:27.15 | lcuk | gives NullM0dem's 810 a sugarbube |
| 14:27.20 | lcuk | cube even ffs |
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| 14:31.56 | jott | speaking of, i compiled "canon capture" for my n810 which works great - the n8x0 could make a really nice remote for powershot cameras with some extra gui foo |
| 14:31.57 | qwerty12_N800 | w00t, i'm finally getting with the times and getting 8gb sd. I'm gonna set up a proper dev environment (may even tar up parts of my sbox) |
| 14:32.50 | RST38h | on a tablet? =) |
| 14:33.09 | GAN800 | jott, what's it work with? 400D, perhaps? |
| 14:33.22 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, yep, need some proper arm emulation |
| 14:34.13 | jott | GAN800: http://capture.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:34.45 | jott | (it's an incomplete list - there are probably more models supported) |
| 14:35.11 | GAN800 | Unlikely to be DSLRs unfortunately, though. |
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| 14:43.00 | lopz | hi |
| 14:43.10 | qwerty12_N800 | hi |
| 14:43.23 | jott | GAN800: if you like you can give it a try: http://sse2.net/capture/ needs the camera to be connected in host mode... |
| 14:48.52 | jott | GAN800: latest gphoto2 seems to support 400D |
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| 14:53.43 | NullM0dem | lcuk: tanks for the cube :) |
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| 14:54.50 | NullM0dem | Anyone play with the dual core low power mini-itx boards? |
| 14:55.50 | NullM0dem | I have this vision of building a low power / portable workstation combining the n810 with a beefy mini-itx board |
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| 14:57.45 | pupnik | jott: you see the news? dev packages of pandora now going out... http://zodttd.com/blog/zodttd/i_received_the_package_b-47_sid-217f2b15c73da4bcf943bb63b0316856.html#replies |
| 14:58.42 | jott | pupnik: yeah sounds really great. |
| 14:58.53 | Cptnodegard | gpe contacts is being gay |
| 14:59.01 | Cptnodegard | it doesnt want to import a normal vcard |
| 14:59.02 | jott | never thought they could maintain their deadline |
| 14:59.08 | Cptnodegard | anyone know why? |
| 14:59.17 | kuriiri | because it's gay |
| 14:59.32 | pupnik | well they are past initial optimistic deadline for the first run - but it's past the 'vaporware' stage |
| 14:59.45 | jott | indeed |
| 15:00.01 | NullM0dem | wow! the pandora looks awesome |
| 15:00.03 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, make the vcard unnormal |
| 15:00.06 | qwerty12 | looks fugly |
| 15:00.07 | jott | now we only need to get a device ;) |
| 15:00.16 | NullM0dem | yes |
| 15:00.30 | pupnik | yeah it'd be nice to get maemo/mamona on it |
| 15:00.32 | Cptnodegard | qwerty12: ? |
| 15:00.51 | qwerty12 | I'm pissin around |
| 15:00.52 | pupnik | but right now they're not too maemo-friendly |
| 15:01.34 | NullM0dem | id be happy with console and FB |
| 15:01.34 | GAN800 | pupnik, sticking Debian + Hildon/Matchbox on there should be pretty easy. |
| 15:02.08 | GAN800 | Cptnodegard, |
| 15:02.09 | GAN800 | Cptnodegard, GPE is changing all of your male contacts to 'more than friends'? :P |
| 15:02.13 | pupnik | initial release will be a uni-task program launcher afaik |
| 15:02.46 | Cptnodegard | -___- |
| 15:03.08 | qwerty12 | Go on Cptnodegard, the closet door is open :p |
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| 15:03.37 | jott | pupnik: do you know if there are already "public" opengl es drivers? |
| 15:03.59 | GAN800 | pupnik what's the difference between the dev devices and the shipping ones? |
| 15:04.00 | Cptnodegard | does anyone have a clue why it fails to open a vcard that any other app including the build in contacts can open?= |
| 15:04.10 | jott | (which is actually the only thing that matters for this device ;-) |
| 15:04.22 | GAN800 | Cptnodegard, |
| 15:04.23 | GAN800 | Cptnodegard, check the mailing list. |
| 15:04.57 | GAN800 | (stupid goddamn virtual keyboard) I think it's a UTF-8 parsing issue. |
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| 15:05.55 | lcuk | NullM0dem, "id be happy with console and FB" for want of a blank canvas :) i am doing exactly that myself and learning a lot in the process |
| 15:06.08 | GAN800 | (maemo-users list if I recall correctly, thread from about a week ago) |
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| 15:06.58 | qwerty12 | You can already use console in FB on N800. I can't because I don't have a keyboard but I got getty running on vt 1 :) |
| 15:07.27 | lcuk | qwerty12, thats what i mean, i have them and am enjoying playing |
| 15:07.35 | lcuk | huggles his nokia some more |
| 15:08.09 | qwerty12 | Nice :). I can't wait to get a usb keyboard and OTG adapter then I'm gonna use FB :) |
| 15:08.25 | pupnik | GAN800: dev devices are for developers, assemble-yourself, test and give feedback. jott: no |
| 15:08.34 | qwerty12 | I have it currently set to show me the syslog at bootup time. |
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| 15:09.34 | jott | it would be great to see a pandora at linuxtag :) |
| 15:10.12 | qwerty12 | If I come into a windfall, I'm gonna buy a Pandora and use my N800 for what it's marketed for - a internet tablet :) |
| 15:11.32 | Cptnodegard | updated but still fails to import |
| 15:11.34 | Cptnodegard | blargh |
| 15:11.39 | lcuk_out | cyas later |
| 15:11.42 | qwerty12 | sfe |
| 15:11.48 | qwerty12 | s/sfe/bye |
| 15:11.55 | Cptnodegard | any other good contact apps? |
| 15:13.30 | GAN800 | Pimlico |
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| 15:18.52 | qwerty12 | Hmm, do you think gdebi would work on a N800? i've given up on synaptic. |
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| 15:26.50 | GAN800 | qwerty12, just use apt. |
| 15:27.20 | GAN800 | or learn GTK so you can implement my badass Application manager mockups |
| 15:27.33 | qwerty12 | GAN800, I use dpkg but it would be nice to not have to resort to console. I'm gonna try and compile it and force it use sudo to open a file. |
| 15:27.55 | qwerty12 | This looked very promising: http://dkothari.blogspot.com/2006/12/synaptic-package-manager-for-maemo.html |
| 15:29.15 | GAN800 | pimps -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 |
| 15:29.26 | jldiaz | hehe... I'm playing marble madness on n810, using the wiimote acelerometers as input |
| 15:29.48 | jldiaz | I hold the wiimote with the n810 on top with both hands |
| 15:29.49 | qwerty12 | marble madness? :) |
| 15:30.02 | jldiaz | and I can control the ball by tilting the tablet |
| 15:30.05 | jldiaz | cooool! |
| 15:30.12 | GAN800 | I had that for Gameboy |
| 15:30.18 | GAN800 | Fun one |
| 15:30.20 | qwerty12 | I had it on my phone :) |
| 15:30.31 | jldiaz | yes, marble madness, version for NES, through fceu |
| 15:30.37 | qwerty12 | Ah :) |
| 15:30.43 | jldiaz | but can you play simply tiping the phone? |
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| 15:30.54 | jldiaz | I play without pressing any button or key! |
| 15:30.55 | qwerty12 | W910 can, I have W810 where I can't |
| 15:31.07 | qwerty12 | W910 comes with marble madness preinstalled |
| 15:31.11 | GAN800 | Wiimote + tablet is a fairly inspired combination. |
| 15:31.12 | qwerty12 | with the tilt sensor working |
| 15:31.20 | jldiaz | oh, so this is not such a novel idea |
| 15:31.24 | jldiaz | cool anyway :-) |
| 15:31.28 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:32.53 | jldiaz | I'm trying to think a cool application for n810 accelerometers, not game related, but I can't find one... |
| 15:33.09 | jldiaz | ops |
| 15:33.18 | jldiaz | n810 -> wiimote |
| 15:33.22 | qwerty12 | mypaint would be sick with a wii controller |
| 15:33.23 | lcuk_out | you can make xchat wobble around and have all the IRC comments fall to the ground |
| 15:33.48 | jldiaz | yes, or shake the wiimote for banning a song in Vagalume... |
| 15:34.03 | jldiaz | but I was talking about useful applications :-) |
| 15:34.26 | jldiaz | such as carrying the wiimote in the car, as kind of "black box", recording the accelerations in the vehicle |
| 15:34.30 | lcuk_out | you could just do the usual and make light sabre noises - then when you are walking round town you get the effect by swinging your mote around |
| 15:34.47 | GAN800 | Be mildly interesting to use for racing |
| 15:34.53 | lcuk_out | jldiaz, thats a really really good idea actually |
| 15:35.09 | GAN800 | If, perhaps, not entirely sensitive enough. |
| 15:35.13 | lcuk_out | couple it with the gps and track the feel of certain roads |
| 15:35.25 | qwerty12 | Take a look what the N95 community do with accelerometer. Lots of accelerometer programs are written in Python. |
| 15:35.58 | lcuk_out | do ya reckon if we shake our 810 hard enough the nokia hidden module will start working |
| 15:36.04 | GAN800 | There's a thread on ITT covering use in racing with GPS, acellerometers and such. |
| 15:36.21 | lcuk_out | holds out the barest hint of a chance of an easter egg |
| 15:36.30 | GAN800 | Pfft |
| 15:36.38 | GAN800 | smacks lcuk down. |
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| 15:53.01 | konttori | pupnik: any progress on the snes emu? |
| 15:53.11 | konttori | I just tried the old one from your web page. |
| 15:53.12 | pupnik | no sorry |
| 15:53.25 | qwerty12 | Does it run any better under OS2008? |
| 15:53.25 | pupnik | new one loads a rom |
| 15:53.28 | konttori | It's pretty ok for rpg:s, but not fast enough for super mario bros |
| 15:53.32 | pupnik | yes |
| 15:53.52 | konttori | It's now really fun to use with the wiicontrol though. |
| 15:53.57 | konttori | so, that's a plus |
| 15:54.08 | pupnik | very cool. you have a post on ITT how to set up wii? |
| 15:54.09 | konttori | Just would be great to get a bit more omph to it |
| 15:54.37 | pupnik | new version will be either fullspeed or frameskip 1 |
| 15:54.46 | konttori | Well, yeah. ON: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html |
| 15:54.54 | pupnik | ty |
| 15:55.04 | konttori | there's a thread of it on: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=177831#post177831 |
| 15:55.20 | konttori | It does not by defult have config for snes. I'll add that today. |
| 15:55.26 | qwerty12 | Does it work any better that cwiid? |
| 15:55.32 | qwerty12 | s/that/then |
| 15:55.36 | konttori | It works perfectly imho |
| 15:55.44 | konttori | no issues whatsoever. |
| 15:55.52 | qwerty12 | Cool, I'll buy a wii controller soon :) |
| 15:55.53 | konttori | works on all sdl games as well |
| 15:56.06 | konttori | take a look at the blogpost. there's a video on it |
| 15:56.17 | pupnik | :) cool nice video |
| 15:56.46 | konttori | thanks. Had to do something quickly to show how wonderful it is. |
| 15:56.51 | qwerty12 | Probably a lot easier than cwiid too, cwiid needs modules inserting. But thanks to KotCzarny and jott, I use modprobe now. |
| 15:58.12 | pupnik | konttori: in the video you say you are working on 'multi-events?' |
| 15:59.00 | konttori | mouse events |
| 15:59.10 | pupnik | ok |
| 15:59.12 | konttori | To push the acceleration data as relative mouse movement |
| 15:59.26 | pupnik | ahh. interesting. |
| 15:59.46 | konttori | qwerty12: wiicontrol doesn't need anything else, but installing that deb (and python) and running the app |
| 15:59.48 | jldiaz | konttori, I was playing marble madness on fceu, moving the ball by tilting the tablet |
| 15:59.58 | konttori | then it asks you to press 1+2 on controller and that's it |
| 16:00.09 | konttori | jldiaz: really? Cool! |
| 16:00.09 | jldiaz | this would make another good demo video :-) |
| 16:00.13 | konttori | Indeed. |
| 16:00.23 | qwerty12 | konttori, I know :). That's why I think this is better. |
| 16:00.43 | konttori | jldiaz: I have to try that one as well. Cool! |
| 16:02.17 | konttori | pupnik: if you have wiimote, I can send you a wiicontrol with snes configuration pre-made |
| 16:02.21 | jldiaz | you have to hold the wiimote below the tablet, obviusly |
| 16:03.17 | pupnik | don't have it. it would also be fun to allow two player games |
| 16:03.34 | konttori | pupnik: true |
| 16:03.45 | konttori | I've been thinking about that too. would be just great! |
| 16:04.06 | jldiaz | next step in coolness: recognize "wiimote gestures" |
| 16:06.02 | konttori | jldiaz: yeah. and the configuration dropdown and user editable controls. |
| 16:06.13 | jldiaz | such as "shake vertical" "shake horizontal" "rotate left" "rotate right" |
| 16:06.40 | jldiaz | i was thinking about the config files |
| 16:07.21 | Italodance | DAMN N800 COVER SKIN IS VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SHIT |
| 16:07.41 | jldiaz | one first trivial step would be storing these config files in python syntax |
| 16:08.07 | jldiaz | this way a simple import would parse them |
| 16:08.20 | jldiaz | or eval |
| 16:08.38 | solmumaha | head mount for the tablet would be nice |
| 16:09.28 | jldiaz | so you can show your mindmap? :) |
| 16:11.04 | solmumaha | to have both hands free |
| 16:11.50 | konttori | jldiaz: I agree that we could put those to the configs in python syntax. |
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| 16:12.39 | konttori | A bit of a problem comes on how to handle the rotation: If we want to use it for mouse / analog movement, the config file should support that by having some multiplier to movement. |
| 16:13.19 | konttori | So, let's start the config files with just the button support and then build on top of that maybe the GU': ["a w"], |
| 16:13.20 | konttori | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.20 | konttori | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.20 | konttori | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.44 | konttori | For the current rotation-like keybutton events and some option to make the mouse events out of it. |
| 16:14.05 | konttori | e.g. quake and doom would appreciate mouse movements |
| 16:14.46 | inz | Italo, did the device slip out of the pouch and break? |
| 16:15.05 | Italodance | inz yes some crashes |
| 16:15.21 | Italodance | it is tiny but very important for me |
| 16:15.43 | Italodance | the pouch is very shit |
| 16:15.54 | Italodance | it is very sharp |
| 16:16.07 | Italodance | i hate this pouch |
| 16:16.27 | Italodance | hi qwerty12 are u there? |
| 16:16.39 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 16:16.40 | qwerty12 | hi |
| 16:16.49 | Italodance | ur Rise of the triad. is full screen on n800? |
| 16:17.02 | qwerty12 | Yes but it's buggy. I'm working on it atm |
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| 16:17.53 | Italodance | is it the screenshot http://www.3drealms.com/rott/images/erott1.jpg? |
| 16:18.33 | qwerty12 | That may be later on in the game, the port isn't finished yet. I got freezing reduced by 70% ; I just cant figure out the 30% |
| 16:18.53 | Italodance | oh tnx friend great job |
| 16:19.21 | Italodance | can u do for max payne? the source and code is the same... |
| 16:19.32 | qwerty12 | max payne code doesn't exist. |
| 16:20.49 | Italodance | http://www.3drealms.com/downloads.html ? |
| 16:21.03 | Italodance | http://www.3drealms.com/max |
| 16:21.23 | Italodance | include the demos |
| 16:21.26 | qwerty12 | Tell me where the source is on that page. |
| 16:21.43 | solmumaha | qwerty12: just do it |
| 16:22.03 | Italodance | qwerty12 go to http://www.3drealms.com/max/ |
| 16:22.14 | solmumaha | i want it too |
| 16:22.33 | Italodance | i want with the demos / movies :D |
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| 16:23.35 | qwerty12 | come on, I can't get Max Payne source out of my ass now? |
| 16:24.21 | Italodance | qwerty12 which codes/files do u want? |
| 16:25.24 | Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18347&highlight=max+payne |
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| 16:57.18 | jldiaz | konttori, what kind of mouse support are you thinking of? Do you mean enabling IR support? |
| 16:57.45 | jldiaz | or moving the mouse pointer by tilting the wiimote (GU, GD, ... events) |
| 16:57.54 | jldiaz | using relative mouse positions |
| 16:58.15 | konttori | tilting based to produce the relative movement |
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| 16:58.23 | konttori | I think that's one good solution. |
| 16:58.34 | jldiaz | I find it a little tricky to control |
| 16:59.08 | konttori | Yeah, it might not work out at all. I was only thinking about that to the quake like games |
| 16:59.19 | jldiaz | Another idea: using the accelerometers to compute the inclination angle of the wiimote |
| 16:59.30 | jldiaz | and set the mouse multiplier proportional to this |
| 16:59.43 | konttori | yeah. that's one solution |
| 17:00.13 | konttori | and what I was actually meaning by the mouse support |
| 17:00.19 | jldiaz | this way, steeper angles leads to faster mouse movements |
| 17:00.21 | konttori | so that it is 'analog', |
| 17:00.26 | konttori | yeah |
| 17:01.11 | konttori | otoh: may be that there is no mouse use beyond the fps games |
| 17:04.24 | glass | fps games span a lot |
| 17:04.50 | glass | a good analog controller, be it mouse or good stick, always makes more kind of games possible |
| 17:05.24 | konttori | New version with snes key bindings: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html |
| 17:05.34 | qwerty12 | w00t, thanks |
| 17:05.41 | konttori | umm.. well, link there at the bottom of the page |
| 17:08.46 | konttori | pupnik: idi you get the drpocketsnes running? |
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| 17:11.36 | NullM0dem | does anyone use GemRB? I am wondering how well it works |
| 17:12.19 | NullM0dem | GemRB allows baldurs gate and icewind dale to run on a n810 |
| 17:13.34 | konttori | really? sounds cool! |
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| 17:13.42 | konttori | Try it with wiicontrol! |
| 17:15.09 | gpd | just installed gnumeric on N800/chinook - quite nice - now tempted by Abiword - any word on that - seems to be a little way off due to upstream bugs - is that right? |
| 17:16.08 | NullM0dem | konttori RPG scrollers on my n810 with Wiicontrol would be sick! |
| 17:17.17 | NullM0dem | gpd: I just installed gnumeric as well, though i dont know much about abiword. It wouldbe a nice addition to have |
| 17:17.28 | solmumaha | konttori: tried duke3d with it? |
| 17:17.44 | Navi | I installed abiword a month or so back |
| 17:17.55 | Navi | It didn't recognize different file formats properly |
| 17:18.04 | Navi | so you could only open abw files |
| 17:18.28 | NullM0dem | i would write in abw then export on a desktop |
| 17:19.05 | gpd | what about another RTF editor? anything come to mind? |
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| 17:20.05 | zakm | what was that quick way to get rid of the metalayer-crawler? on 2007HE ? |
| 17:22.55 | gpd | zim - seems dead |
| 17:23.20 | lcuk | NullM0dem, konttori ping pupnik, you are right up his alley |
| 17:23.27 | gpd | http://www.pardus.nl/projects/zim/ <-- not dead |
| 17:26.24 | RST38h | gpd: Google Docs |
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| 17:27.04 | gpd | heh - good point - jest need to get google gears on N800 and for it to work with docs! |
| 17:27.13 | konttori | solmumaha: nope |
| 17:27.23 | konttori | where's that? |
| 17:27.44 | RST38h | gpd: You can simply use their web site version |
| 17:27.59 | konttori | zakm: I think you need to rename the binary. |
| 17:28.05 | konttori | so that it won't get triggered |
| 17:28.18 | gpd | [still researching HSDPA phones - mixed messages about Nokia 6120 - any tips on top phones for use with n800 appreciated] |
| 17:29.29 | gpd | RST38h: more info on that would be helpful - not heard of it... rock, under, moi? |
| 17:30.24 | gpd | RST38h: do you mean that you can download and run a version of google docs on your own site? or just use the online version and get over being offline... ever ;) |
| 17:30.43 | NullM0dem | lcuk: up what alley?? |
| 17:35.03 | zakm | does google gears work on 2007HE ? |
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| 17:39.49 | gpd | Does anyone here use O2 simplicity and understand their 1 pound per day browsing allowance - how does this work with the 3G over bluetooth to N800 for example? |
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| 17:50.16 | RST38h | gpd:you can use google docs as google intended it - via their sitre |
| 17:50.18 | RST38h | site |
| 17:50.33 | gpd | ok RST38h thanks. |
| 17:52.04 | gpd | Looks like O2 Simplicity 'UK Browsing up to Â1GBP per day' means that you pay only 1 pound and then after that you can browse at will up to their reasonable usage allowance... tasty |
| 17:52.44 | evaryont_ | hm, has anyone been able to tether their n8x0 to a Kajeet phone? :/ |
| 17:52.51 | RST38h | 30 pounds/month = $60 |
| 17:53.24 | gpd | RST38h: true - but if i only use it a few days a month then it might be useful / cheap. i am normally near wifi or broadband. |
| 17:53.29 | RST38h | Of course if their allowance comes down to a few gigabytes a month, then it may be worth it |
| 17:54.09 | RST38h | gpd: Do you click on some form to get access or how does buying it for a day work? |
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| 17:55.05 | gpd | well - you only pay for the data when you use it- this is a voice / text plan that has this as an option |
| 17:55.43 | RST38h | so if you used data as much as a few seconds a day, you get chargaed $2? |
| 17:56.01 | gpd | normally i pay nothing unless i am above 200 minutes or 200 texts per month - but if i use data then it is 'up to 1 pound' per day - ie once you go above that you get free access for the day :) |
| 17:56.15 | RST38h | ah! |
| 17:56.18 | gpd | no - you get a prorated charge up to 1 pound at some crazy ratge |
| 17:56.24 | RST38h | no, this actually sounds reasonable |
| 17:56.48 | gpd | so all i need now is a bluetooth phone which i can tether to the n800 and i am away |
| 17:57.16 | gpd | 'tethering' is still a mystery - must do some more research |
| 17:57.29 | RST38h | actually it is dead simple |
| 17:57.46 | RST38h | as long as you have a Nokia phone, gets a bit more complicated with non-nokias |
| 17:58.07 | RST38h | it is probably exactly the same with a UIQ-based Sony Ericsson though |
| 17:58.31 | gpd | ok - great - looking at Nokia phones - tempted by N95 - but too poor ;) |
| 17:58.42 | RST38h | N95 is a brick anyway |
| 17:58.48 | term-sig | what about three mobile broadband? |
| 17:59.22 | gpd | term-sig: that is where i came in ... was contemplating trying to get the 3 USB dongle to attach to the N800 - but sounds complex |
| 18:00.08 | gpd | http://www.alexwrege.com/index.php/internet/how-to-connect-a-nokia-n800-to-cingular-wireless-internet/ <-- for the logs a howto |
| 18:00.22 | term-sig | gpd: are uk from uk? |
| 18:00.25 | jaska | yeah, need bt pan to work with my htc4350 :) |
| 18:00.42 | gpd | term-sig: yes and yes |
| 18:01.18 | term-sig | ups, uk/you.. |
| 18:01.42 | term-sig | and what provider u using for internet on your n8x0 ? |
| 18:02.26 | gpd | term-sig: currently I am on O2 simplicity - but have not used it to connect via N800 as yet - |
| 18:02.38 | gpd | term-sig: you? |
| 18:02.50 | evaryont_ | can anyone access the mobile google sites? |
| 18:03.45 | gpd | ok - looks like I need to find the O2 packet data settings for the connecitvity manager... |
| 18:04.04 | term-sig | gpd: i`m looking for something nice, on begin i was thinking about "three" but next i heard that this usb dongle doesnt have sim card.. |
| 18:04.24 | term-sig | and it will be quite hard to connect my n810 to it.. |
| 18:04.32 | gpd | three has also got poor signal in some areas |
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| 18:06.52 | term-sig | what about that simplicity? 1 quid for day right? any limits or something like thaht.. |
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| 18:09.09 | gpd | £3 per MB up to a maximum of £1 per day (00:00am to 23:59pm). Once you have reached your maximum daily charge of £1, O2 Web Daily allows you unlimited use of O2 UKâs Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your mobile phone. |
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| 18:09.44 | RST38h | gpd: 3 pounds per megabyte? |
| 18:09.49 | czr | so you're only allowed to transfer 333 KiB, right? ;-) |
| 18:09.54 | gpd | up to maximum of 1 pound in one day |
| 18:10.03 | RST38h | heh |
| 18:10.13 | gpd | no maximum per day specified - but some terms on usage |
| 18:11.03 | RST38h | still, that is the highest per-MB rate I have ever heard about |
| 18:11.44 | RST38h | maybe if you use satellite phones it comes down to higher amounts, but $6 for 1MB of cellular data?!? |
| 18:13.04 | gpd | agreed - you would have to use it wisely - ie. lots on a few days a month |
| 18:15.41 | term-sig | gpd: http://threestore.three.co.uk/dealsummary.aspx?offercode=18MB3GD016 it's looking like u can buy it and next put sim card to u phone.. |
| 18:16.03 | term-sig | and it's only 15 quid for 3gb allowance.. |
| 18:16.47 | Cptnodegard | holy crap thats cheap |
| 18:17.08 | RST38h | $60 for 3GB is cheap? |
| 18:18.17 | kaatis | i'm paying 9.80e for 256 kb/s unlimited :) |
| 18:18.43 | RST38h | wired or wireless? |
| 18:19.04 | RST38h | Actually, 15 quid is $30, right? THAT is cheap. |
| 18:19.05 | czr | you can get wireless 3g usb dongles here for that price (starting price) |
| 18:19.07 | glass | wireless i suppose |
| 18:19.18 | glass | i pay 9.90 for 384kbit/s |
| 18:19.20 | czr | but 256 kbps is just painful |
| 18:19.28 | glass | well, the corp pays but anyhow |
| 18:19.55 | glass | crz: awful perhaps, but always with you.. |
| 18:20.03 | term-sig | it's quite cheap and i dont saw anything better. |
| 18:20.13 | RST38h | is still waiting for 3g |
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| 18:20.32 | gpd | anyone on Vodafone UK PAYG and know the situation with Data on that?my gf has it and i'd like to test the testhering |
| 18:20.51 | czr | glass, no I meant that 256 for a 3G is just painful ;-) |
| 18:21.01 | czr | I'm all for mobility. |
| 18:21.37 | glass | heh, yeh it's a bit pointless limit point |
| 18:21.55 | glass | with a little higher i'd get hsdpa |
| 18:22.00 | glass | or perhaps i'm getting it now |
| 18:22.07 | kaatis | RST38h, wireless |
| 18:22.22 | glass | the biggest shit with this connection is just that it's natted |
| 18:22.41 | glass | of course pings are too high for action games too |
| 18:22.51 | gpd | don't suppose there is a page somewhere with settings for all providers and how to tether to N8x0? wishful thinking.. |
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| 18:23.19 | Cptnodegard | usb modems work with the ITs? |
| 18:23.22 | iomari | anyone out there? |
| 18:23.26 | czr | gpd, that's easy, just find the web page with the "all providers" list first ;-) |
| 18:23.46 | gpd | czr: thanks ;) |
| 18:23.49 | iomari | can someone tell me if it's possible to run apache on the n810? |
| 18:23.51 | johnx | Cptnodegard, if it takes less than 100mA and has open source linux drivers, then probably |
| 18:24.19 | johnx | iomari, yes, but it will take up a good chunk of memory. do you plan to run apache and use the tablet at the same time? |
| 18:24.30 | johnx | maybe lighthttpd would work better for you... |
| 18:24.51 | NullM0dem | does lighttpd have a port? |
| 18:25.17 | gpd | http://www.filesaveas.com/vodafone.html <-- this site seems to have lots of data for setting up tethering - will try |
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| 18:26.07 | Proteous | howardforums.com has a lot of stuff |
| 18:26.38 | Proteous | about cell phones that is |
| 18:26.44 | Proteous | along with teathering info and such |
| 18:26.56 | gpd | http://www.filesaveas.com/wap.html#settings <-- better |
| 18:27.00 | Proteous | :) |
| 18:27.05 | Proteous | whatever works |
| 18:27.21 | gpd | Proteous: sorry - i meant better than my previous link - not yours --- looking now |
| 18:27.29 | Proteous | heh |
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| 18:40.25 | AStorm | hello |
| 18:40.58 | AStorm | could someone build pulseaudio with esound support and vs speex integer lib? |
| 18:41.10 | AStorm | (for the resampler) |
| 18:43.15 | AStorm | KotCzarny: btw, what have I asked you yesterday to build?,forgot to install |
| 18:44.48 | AStorm | ah, alsa-utils |
| 18:47.16 | AStorm | I found out it isn't esd that's making the sound balance adjustments |
| 18:47.23 | AStorm | it's the aep dsp process |
| 18:47.48 | AStorm | seems to do psychoacoustic volume adjustment and some form of crossover |
| 18:48.27 | AStorm | you can disable it in the dsp config file to save a bit of cpu power and have normal sound |
| 18:48.56 | AStorm | who will wikiize what I said? :P |
| 18:49.56 | gpd | meh - can't get it to work with Vodafone - thether to N800 :( |
| 18:50.20 | AStorm | check if your plan allows tethering |
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| 18:52.52 | gpd | anywhere you would suggest to check - is 'tether' the technical term for this - would it be on vodafone site? |
| 18:53.24 | elb | it's probably listed as a 'laptop data' or 'pda data' plan |
| 18:55.24 | AStorm | noes |
| 18:55.34 | AStorm | it's NOT aep itself, darn |
| 18:55.37 | AStorm | wait |
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| 18:57.55 | AStorm | yes, it's aep... clearly |
| 18:58.03 | AStorm | :) |
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| 19:12.42 | zakm | does 2008HE take more battery life than 2007HE? |
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| 19:18.22 | gpd | crap - I can access website from the phone - but cannot go via N800 - all I get is 'subscribe to packet data first' - must not allow tethering on this plan - despite not mentioning anything about it on their terms and conditions. :( |
| 19:20.00 | AStorm | gpd: because they don't, they can do what they want |
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| 19:20.21 | AStorm | so, you got rickrollede |
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| 19:22.56 | gpd | well - that plan is my GF's so I need to try out the same on my plan - (02 simplicity) but not an unlocked phone and no bluetooth on my phone ... so crapper |
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| 19:37.53 | pupnik | One man writes Linux drivers for 235 USB webcams heh |
| 19:38.41 | pupnik | http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams |
| 19:40.15 | flatface | I have a couple of cameras that use those drivers. Old news is old, though. |
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| 19:48.05 | Navi | the inquirer sucks as a news source too :P |
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| 20:05.01 | pupnik | wb doc|home |
| 20:06.23 | doc|home | thanks pupnik |
| 20:11.14 | pupnik | crap the berlin conference center is huge |
| 20:11.53 | pupnik | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=LIETZENBURGER+STRASSE+85+berlin&sll=50.420399,8.611588&sspn=0.838239,1.082153&ie=UTF8&ll=52.502874,13.293071&spn=0.048224,0.107288&t=h&z=14&iwloc=addr |
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| 20:19.17 | gpd | could someone give me a URL for where youwould buy a phone in the USA - outside of the manufactuer - eg. what is the price of a nokia e51 in america... stupid google wants to give me UK prices :( |
| 20:20.03 | gpd | ok - nvm - newegg.com has them |
| 20:21.08 | KotCzarny | astorm: cool, what's the location of that dsp config? can it be changed on-the-fly ? (/me thinks about cheap eq) |
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| 20:23.51 | AStorm | can't be |
| 20:24.06 | AStorm | /lib/dsp/dsp_dld*.conf |
| 20:24.38 | AStorm | the effect is fairly mild tthough |
| 20:24.51 | AStorm | the crossfeed is most noticeable |
| 20:25.10 | KotCzarny | heh.. config in /lib |
| 20:25.16 | KotCzarny | those hackers :/ |
| 20:25.30 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:25.42 | AStorm | I want a disassembler |
| 20:25.42 | RST38h | gpd: $250..$400 |
| 20:25.59 | RST38h | gpd: you should be able to change localization in google account settings |
| 20:26.02 | KotCzarny | astorm: any links for aep? |
| 20:26.13 | AStorm | huh? no |
| 20:26.23 | AStorm | it's at the bottom of the config |
| 20:26.24 | KotCzarny | how it is used? |
| 20:26.28 | AStorm | dunno |
| 20:26.41 | AStorm | it affects the sound though |
| 20:26.59 | KotCzarny | so it's not user controllable? |
| 20:27.10 | AStorm | yes, isn't |
| 20:27.17 | AStorm | apart from disabling |
| 20:27.28 | AStorm | unless you get me a dsp disassembler |
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| 20:30.22 | KotCzarny | or porting some soft eq for dsp |
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| 20:34.19 | AStorm | KotCzarny: shouldn't be hard |
| 20:34.24 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:34.35 | KotCzarny | because c compiler for dsp is available |
| 20:34.40 | AStorm | I could port fftw-based eq, but I need a disasm first :P |
| 20:34.47 | AStorm | and paid time :P |
| 20:35.13 | KotCzarny | ok, i should take $$ for compiling packages from now on :P |
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| 20:36.31 | Proteous | I'll give you $0.50 |
| 20:37.20 | konttori | jldiaz: let's take a look at also the nunchuc next week. |
| 20:37.26 | KotCzarny | per package? ok :) |
| 20:39.02 | AStorm | naaah |
| 20:39.05 | shapr | yarr |
| 20:39.07 | AStorm | per hour |
| 20:39.17 | AStorm | of work time |
| 20:39.25 | KotCzarny | that's 25$/h |
| 20:39.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:40.25 | AStorm | no, I sail 0.5$/h |
| 20:40.26 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4485 |
| 20:40.27 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:40.28 | AStorm | said |
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| 20:55.26 | NullM0dem | back in the day spies would hide data on leftover romspace in atari cartirdges :) |
| 20:55.36 | NullM0dem | nothng new |
| 20:57.56 | NullM0dem | i do often wonder what china puts in consumer grade router hardware |
| 20:58.02 | NullM0dem | :P |
| 21:00.46 | czr | small chinese people |
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| 22:17.10 | lcuk | is it possible to blow the stack by passing too many parameters along a c vararg thing? |
| 22:17.25 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 22:17.34 | derf | No. |
| 22:17.43 | AStorm | not if properly done |
| 22:17.56 | lcuk | 1681 items |
| 22:17.57 | derf | Caller cleans stack in C. |
| 22:18.07 | AStorm | yep |
| 22:18.14 | AStorm | in cdecl at least |
| 22:18.27 | derf | No one cares about Microsoft. |
| 22:18.29 | AStorm | in stdcall it's funnier |
| 22:18.51 | AStorm | derf: you wish |
| 22:18.51 | AStorm | in pascal it's diff too |
| 22:18.51 | lcuk | thank you! i missed the final va_end(arg); |
| 22:18.51 | derf | Pascal is not C. |
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| 22:19.11 | AStorm | lcuk: whee :) |
| 22:19.27 | AStorm | derf: you wish - you can call pascal code from C |
| 22:19.46 | AStorm | but there are no varargs there |
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| 22:19.57 | derf | And it's _still_ not C. |
| 22:20.42 | lcuk | hmmm, still got the problem though |
| 22:22.00 | AStorm | lcuk: doing something wrong |
| 22:22.06 | AStorm | show us the code |
| 22:22.12 | lcuk | heh.. |
| 22:22.20 | lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/1007479 |
| 22:22.23 | lcuk | thats one half.. |
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| 22:23.57 | lcuk | and this is the other |
| 22:23.58 | lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/1007491 |
| 22:25.09 | lcuk | the code appears to munch over another global variable outside of this code. if i return early and only do a few small ones the effect isnt noticed |
| 22:25.12 | AStorm | char == uint? |
| 22:25.24 | lcuk | 8bit byte |
| 22:25.55 | AStorm | you must do va_list and va_start at the beginning |
| 22:25.55 | lcuk | i tried it with chars but gcc told me the va_ functions could only take ints |
| 22:26.02 | AStorm | not somewhere in the middle |
| 22:26.02 | lcuk | i do |
| 22:26.09 | AStorm | no, you don't |
| 22:26.10 | Proteous | seems the top shelf of my fridge gets pretty cold |
| 22:26.10 | lcuk | ahh ok |
| 22:26.23 | derf | gcc is smarter than you. |
| 22:26.23 | Proteous | if you were wondering, yes you can freeze hard boiled eggs |
| 22:26.38 | derf | Arguments automatically get promoted to ints in C. |
| 22:27.03 | AStorm | lcuk: at least va_list |
| 22:27.13 | AStorm | lcuk: and use -Wall |
| 22:27.18 | lcuk | ive just moved both to be the first items in the function |
| 22:27.50 | lcuk | in cflags? |
| 22:27.54 | AStorm | what do you get? segfault? |
| 22:27.55 | AStorm | yes |
| 22:28.42 | lcuk | no - i get something very strange happening in ive got a fullscreen menu showing, if i run through this code and return to the menu, it occupies half the screen instead of the whole thing |
| 22:29.06 | AStorm | I see no va_next |
| 22:29.06 | lcuk | if i bailout of the big initialise function half way down (by just returning after the first few small ones) it doesnt happen |
| 22:29.48 | AStorm | you're looping over one item |
| 22:30.04 | lcuk | no im not, it works in the other places - theres no mention in the docs |
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| 22:30.31 | lcuk | http://www.elook.org/programming/c/va_arg.html |
| 22:30.58 | AStorm | lcuk: you're mixing old-style with new style |
| 22:31.08 | AStorm | use: |
| 22:31.20 | AStorm | va_list a; |
| 22:32.10 | AStorm | and do include stdarg.h |
| 22:35.19 | lcuk | i was doing |
| 22:35.54 | AStorm | ok, what does -Wall print? |
| 22:35.59 | lcuk | and it works correctly until i have 324 params |
| 22:36.18 | lcuk | i dunno, is that a gcc flag |
| 22:37.00 | lcuk | ooooer, its gonna take me a while, i gather thats extra checking... |
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| 22:37.26 | AStorm | it is an essential cflag |
| 22:37.40 | AStorm | wnables most of important warnings |
| 22:37.54 | lcuk | yes, its stopping on unused variable |
| 22:38.09 | lcuk | nothing drastic, theres just a few there as code gets shuftied about |
| 22:38.14 | AStorm | hmm |
| 22:38.22 | AStorm | no invalid casts? |
| 22:38.28 | lcuk | im gonna have to cleanse all code |
| 22:38.50 | lcuk | no - like i said the warnings its moaning about aren't showstoppers yet |
| 22:39.02 | AStorm | hmm |
| 22:39.12 | lcuk | but its gotta get through that with all files, ill come back in a few |
| 22:39.24 | AStorm | well, it should work... maybe you're overflowing some counter? |
| 22:39.49 | lcuk | like i said, it works until i try using it with 324 items |
| 22:40.08 | lcuk | is doin overkill |
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| 22:40.30 | AStorm | heh |
| 22:40.45 | AStorm | maybe some malloc is failing? |
| 22:40.59 | AStorm | try -lmudflap |
| 22:41.00 | KotCzarny | why not a single pointer to an array of those 700 items? |
| 22:41.10 | AStorm | should crash neatly on any corruption |
| 22:41.27 | AStorm | KotCzarny: because he's making it a macro |
| 22:41.32 | lcuk | because its not inline with the rest of the declaration, ive gotta start spreading out the bits i want together |
| 22:41.34 | AStorm | a macro lookalike |
| 22:41.46 | KotCzarny | likes arrays |
| 22:41.53 | lcuk | so do i |
| 22:42.08 | AStorm | doesn't like ** |
| 22:42.27 | lcuk | and the original codegen did them as arrays, but then i needed arrays of sizes and it got spread out and to move something around would involve multiple cuts in multiple places |
| 22:42.53 | AStorm | blah |
| 22:42.54 | lcuk | this way i can just define a glyph entirely inline |
| 22:43.01 | lcuk | any shaped brush i want |
| 22:43.21 | lcuk | theres an alternative function which takes byte * :) |
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| 22:51.27 | cLin | is there anyway in ssh to use a command to make the browser open and go to an address? |
| 22:51.39 | cLin | say i wanted to load an url from my computer to my n800 |
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| 22:58.48 | iomari | can someone tell me if it's possible to run apache on the n810? |
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| 22:59.48 | jldiaz | cLin, better use wget |
| 23:02.18 | jldiaz | iomari, never tried, but read about. Appaerntly, yes |
| 23:02.29 | Navi | best to use something lighter |
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| 23:03.09 | jldiaz | Navi, yeah, wget is a big app |
| 23:03.54 | jldiaz | if you already have python installed, a simple script could do the trick |
| 23:04.08 | Navi | I'm not talking about wget |
| 23:04.13 | Navi | I was talking about apache :P |
| 23:04.19 | jldiaz | ah :) |
| 23:04.43 | jldiaz | anyway, wget is also surprisingly heavy |
| 23:04.49 | iomari | navi: which webserver would u advise? |
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| 23:05.25 | jott | cLin: you can use -> browser_dbuscmd.sh load_url http://foo |
| 23:05.48 | Navi | lighttpd |
| 23:06.28 | iomari | never heard of it. I'll look it up. |
| 23:06.37 | Navi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighttpd |
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| 23:07.46 | iomari | thanks, i'll see if it will do the job. |
| 23:08.11 | KotCzarny | likes thttpd |
| 23:10.03 | iomari | i'll check that one out also. |
| 23:14.50 | jldiaz | why xterm does not store the shown/hidden status of the toolbar? I'm tired of hidding it in each xterm instance... |
| 23:15.15 | jldiaz | I even edited the gconf file, chnging a true for false |
| 23:15.38 | jldiaz | but the true reappears! |
| 23:16.32 | jott | iomari: lighttpd should be faster and is more flexible than thttpd also it is under active development. |
| 23:17.00 | jldiaz | I heard about an osso-xterm replacement. Is it available as .deb or only in source code? |
| 23:17.24 | jldiaz | btw, I'm using OS2008 on n810 |
| 23:17.45 | KotCzarny | jildiaz: then get any other terminal emulator |
| 23:17.47 | KotCzarny | fe. aterm |
| 23:18.12 | jldiaz | any recomendation? |
| 23:18.27 | jott | jldiaz: or use a recent svn snapshot of the osso-xterm |
| 23:18.49 | jldiaz | I'm basically happy with osso-xterm, except for the toolbar issue |
| 23:19.54 | jott | jldiaz: i made a build from a svn version http://sse2.net/xterm which fixes most of the issues of the release version |
| 23:19.57 | jldiaz | jott, this is source code, isn't? |
| 23:20.21 | jldiaz | oh, sorry |
| 23:20.24 | jott | yes, osso-xterm is open source |
| 23:20.38 | jott | and in a public garage svn |
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| 23:20.47 | jldiaz | you typed faster than me. I was referring to the svn |
| 23:21.03 | jldiaz | but then you mentioned your build |
| 23:21.36 | jldiaz | can I downgrade in case of trouble? |
| 23:21.56 | jott | yes, just reinstall the old version either with apt-get or dpkg |
| 23:22.28 | jldiaz | I'll give it a try then. Thanks! |
| 23:23.48 | jott | inz: wouldn't it make sense to put debs of the tagged versions on the garage page? |
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| 23:30.42 | Rafael | Hi dears |
| 23:30.57 | jldiaz | hi Rafael |
| 23:31.33 | Rafael | yesterday I become in here and yours give me a great tip |
| 23:31.39 | Rafael | :) |
| 23:32.05 | Rafael | however, I need other :P |
| 23:32.15 | Rafael | with SSH... |
| 23:32.26 | Rafael | anybody want help me? |
| 23:33.14 | jldiaz | If I can help... |
| 23:33.26 | Rafael | ok :) |
| 23:33.33 | jldiaz | jott, do I need to install all the .debs in your xterm folder? |
| 23:33.58 | Rafael | yes, exactaly |
| 23:34.26 | jott | jldiaz: no, osso-xterm_0.14.mh11_armel.deb libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb libvte-common_0.12.2-0mh7_all.deb are enough |
| 23:34.32 | Rafael | I "googling", however, I don't have success :( |
| 23:34.43 | jldiaz | ok jott, this was my guess |
| 23:35.46 | jldiaz | Rafael, what's your native tongue? (I can talk spanish) |
| 23:36.40 | Rafael | haha, sorry for my English |
| 23:37.01 | Rafael | my native tongue is Brazilian - Portuguese |
| 23:37.20 | jldiaz | ok, I was only trying to facilitate communication, no offense intended :-) |
| 23:38.25 | Rafael | haha, no problem, I understand |
| 23:39.03 | Rafael | ok, where I can download this packs? |
| 23:39.30 | jldiaz | what packages are you talking about? I was not here yesterdey |
| 23:39.41 | jldiaz | dey -> day |
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| 23:40.44 | Rafael | sorry again! osso-xterm_0.14.mh11_armel.deb libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb libvte-common_0.12.2-0mh7_all.deb... |
| 23:40.54 | jldiaz | http://sse2.net/xterm |
| 23:40.59 | Rafael | this packages I need to run OpenSSH on my device |
| 23:41.04 | jldiaz | but this is not related to ssh |
| 23:41.22 | Rafael | yeah, I tried this Site, but, not acces :/ |
| 23:41.26 | jldiaz | this is about xterm, the topic I was talking about with jott, before you arrival |
| 23:41.32 | tibibo | gainroot? |
| 23:41.47 | Rafael | sorry, I am confusing |
| 23:42.14 | jldiaz | you were about asking something about ssh, but then we mentioned those packages, which are not ssh related |
| 23:42.16 | Rafael | I have root, and need OpenSSH |
| 23:42.46 | jldiaz | Do you want openssh in order to gain root access? |
| 23:42.48 | Rafael | ok, I understand |
| 23:42.52 | tibibo | And what problem? |
| 23:43.16 | tibibo | Download it |
| 23:43.17 | Rafael | no, I need access the devide by Ubuntu |
| 23:43.58 | jldiaz | then, from xterm, with root permissions, issue the command: |
| 23:44.01 | jldiaz | apt-get install openssh |
| 23:44.09 | Rafael | I find this package openssh-client+server.install, but don't work |
| 23:44.40 | tibibo | Strange |
| 23:44.53 | Rafael | yeah, my Ubuntu worked with ssh, but on device I need install the OpenSSH server, right? |
| 23:45.00 | tibibo | Always worked |
| 23:45.22 | tibibo | Yes |
| 23:45.30 | jldiaz | right, if you want to login in your device from the ubuntu machine |
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| 23:45.54 | jldiaz | tried apt-get install openssh ? |
| 23:46.04 | Rafael | yeah |
| 23:46.06 | Rafael | :/ |
| 23:46.13 | jldiaz | what is the result? |
| 23:46.35 | Rafael | install normaly |
| 23:46.52 | jldiaz | ok, so what is the problem now? |
| 23:47.00 | Rafael | but, the device, don't have a server of SSH |
| 23:47.12 | Rafael | so, I can't access it |
| 23:47.16 | Rafael | :/ |
| 23:47.18 | tibibo | Type ssh root@... Etc. |
| 23:47.25 | jldiaz | try: ps aux|grep ssh |
| 23:47.34 | Rafael | no |
| 23:47.43 | Rafael | I try now |
| 23:48.02 | tibibo | Right |
| 23:48.11 | Rafael | wait, please :) |
| 23:49.06 | jldiaz | "ps aux" lists all processes running on your tablet. Piping this through | grep ssh, shows only those lines containing the "ssh" string, so you can find if you have any process running called ssh or similar |
| 23:49.30 | tibibo | Start sshd |
| 23:51.15 | tibibo | With sscript or by hand (; |
| 23:55.21 | tibibo | What about porting on arm dc-client |
| 23:55.35 | jldiaz | I'm going to bed |
| 23:55.39 | jldiaz | see ya |
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| 23:59.24 | rafael_ | sorry, dears, I had problems with the connection |
| 23:59.28 | rafael_ | :( |
