| 00:00.24 | lcdd | i'm suffering from a loose battery. ever so gentle bumps cause the tablet to turn off |
| 00:01.08 | lcdd | wonder if this is common? |
| 00:01.27 | Grackle | I dropped mine on the floor and the battery came out. That's sort of similar. |
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| 00:01.44 | johnx | asciimstr had a problem that sounded similar but he never traced it to the battery |
| 00:01.49 | johnx | that would make the most sense though... |
| 00:01.51 | Grackle | lcdd: are the battery springs springing properly? |
| 00:02.14 | Grackle | It might be worth cleaning them and the battery contact error |
| 00:02.17 | Grackle | area |
| 00:02.41 | lcdd | trying cleaning right now |
| 00:02.45 | Grackle | Is it actually the battery? Like, when you poke at the battery, it stops working? |
| 00:02.45 | lcuk | just get a piece of paper folded over a could of times to ensure the battery is snugly seated |
| 00:02.57 | Grackle | hmm |
| 00:03.04 | lcdd | Grackle: i guess it might be something else, but i doubt it |
| 00:03.19 | lcuk | my battery just falls out if the back isnt on, and the back is flimsy so i can understand it being the battery |
| 00:03.39 | Grackle | Makes sense to me. |
| 00:03.47 | pupnik_ | i like snugly seated |
| 00:04.12 | pupnik_ | hmm.. song name |
| 00:07.08 | Grackle | So does anyone else experience the typing delay I mentioned, or is it just that nobody else is really bothered by it? |
| 00:07.22 | lcuk | just a minute |
| 00:08.36 | johnx | Grackle, I run into it in a web browser where it is really annoying |
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| 00:08.37 | johnx | in most other cases it isn't quite enough to bother me |
| 00:08.45 | lcuk2 | right im typing now from my 810 using bt keyboard and it seems as instant as it always has |
| 00:08.52 | johnx | but I've been used to putting up with ssh connections over modems for a long time O_o |
| 00:09.09 | lcuk2 | i think though on the screen its not refreshing instantly |
| 00:09.24 | lcuk2 | but thats just a graphics limitation at the resolution/colordepth |
| 00:09.43 | johnx | lcuk2, but does it seem like a screen refresh issue or a typing lag issue? |
| 00:10.05 | lcuk2 | its not typing lag because i can press return and have instant results and be ready to type the next line |
| 00:10.09 | Grackle | it's definitely a typing issue on my machine |
| 00:10.11 | pupnik_ | i get instant response on 770. heard one other complaint about slow bluetooth on n810 |
| 00:10.12 | lcuk2 | its not a case of any kind of lag |
| 00:10.13 | johnx | replying to a post on iTT on the tablet easily gets me 30 seconds plus of typing lag |
| 00:10.13 | mibus | lcuk2: you could try VNCing into another machine (or ssh+screen) so you can see the output elsewhere |
| 00:10.31 | Grackle | hmmm |
| 00:10.37 | lcuk2 | im reading back my text from the big screen as well as from the tablet screen |
| 00:10.43 | lcuk | i can be in two places at once |
| 00:10.54 | lcuk2 | see i am up there as well |
| 00:11.07 | lcuk2 | no lag |
| 00:11.16 | lcuk2 | no slowdown all instant? |
| 00:11.24 | lcuk2 | do you have something running taking cpu |
| 00:11.33 | johnx | probably just microb :/ |
| 00:11.50 | lcuk2 | sounds reasonable |
| 00:12.03 | lcuk2 | especially with flash or something on screen |
| 00:12.05 | KotCzarny | low memory situation? |
| 00:12.29 | KotCzarny | btw. anyone else experienced speedups when disabling maemo-launcher's gtk booster? |
| 00:12.41 | lcuk2 | im taking this little keyboard on holiday and i have gcc on tablet now |
| 00:12.59 | lcuk2 | im only missing a couple of libraries and i can dev directly on it |
| 00:13.40 | lcuk2 | no but then again i dont personally run too much on mine |
| 00:14.04 | Grackle | Hmm KotCzarny? |
| 00:14.33 | KotCzarny | grackle? |
| 00:14.39 | lcuk2 | ok i think i need to sleep |
| 00:14.45 | lcuk2 | gnite ppl |
| 00:14.49 | Grackle | What is this gtk booster you speak of? |
| 00:14.50 | KotCzarny | nite lcuk |
| 00:14.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:15.00 | jldiaz | done |
| 00:15.04 | KotCzarny | grackle: it's supposed to speedup starting gtk apps |
| 00:15.05 | jldiaz | (posting to itt) |
| 00:15.11 | KotCzarny | but eats 20-30mb of ram |
| 00:15.21 | KotCzarny | and efficiently slowing everything down |
| 00:15.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:15.23 | Grackle | oh |
| 00:15.27 | jldiaz | KotCzarny, while posting, I simplified further the command: |
| 00:15.28 | Grackle | hah |
| 00:15.31 | KotCzarny | but that's my opinion |
| 00:15.32 | jldiaz | ssh -X myUnixDesktopIP x2x -to :0 |
| 00:15.48 | jldiaz | the -from can be ommited, and in that case it takes the value of DISPLAY |
| 00:15.57 | jldiaz | that makes the command much more general |
| 00:16.09 | jldiaz | because the -X option not always uses the :11 as display |
| 00:16.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:16.24 | jldiaz | it depends on how much -X connectios you have stablished |
| 00:16.43 | KotCzarny | yup, you should leave ssh to set up display variable for you |
| 00:16.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:16.52 | jldiaz | exactly |
| 00:16.56 | jldiaz | and x2x to use it |
| 00:17.27 | jldiaz | it is a nice one-liner :) |
| 00:17.44 | KotCzarny | likes oneliners |
| 00:18.21 | jldiaz | however, despite my enthusiasm, it is actually not very useful |
| 00:18.45 | Grackle | is running x-forwarded xchat right meow |
| 00:18.52 | jldiaz | you cannot "move only" the mouse using the stylus, you aways "drag the mouse" |
| 00:19.04 | jldiaz | because when you tap, you left-click |
| 00:19.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:19.23 | jldiaz | and if you do not tap, you dont have any cue about where the pointer is |
| 00:19.33 | KotCzarny | vnc then |
| 00:19.50 | jldiaz | yep |
| 00:20.00 | KotCzarny | but it's general fun of interpeting tablet cursor |
| 00:20.07 | KotCzarny | interpreting |
| 00:20.24 | KotCzarny | most emulators suck hard on it :/ |
| 00:21.20 | jldiaz | I guess that with enough training, you'll develop a sense of the position of the mouse, depending on the position of your hand over the tablet |
| 00:21.35 | KotCzarny | or a proper wallpaper? |
| 00:21.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:22.00 | jldiaz | that's an idea, but when you run the remote x2x, all the local screen is blanked |
| 00:22.10 | jldiaz | (or "whited" to be precise) |
| 00:22.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:23.07 | jldiaz | we need a new application, kind of VNC but with very infrequent screen updates |
| 00:23.17 | n800n | blunketh |
| 00:23.27 | jldiaz | or can be that configured in standard vnc? |
| 00:23.34 | KotCzarny | manual |
| 00:23.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:23.39 | KotCzarny | because i don't know |
| 00:23.41 | jldiaz | :) |
| 00:26.44 | jldiaz | well, it is 2:26AM here, I'll better go to bed |
| 00:26.58 | jldiaz | see you! |
| 00:27.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:27.25 | term-sig | 2:26 AM it's good time for coffe ;) |
| 00:29.41 | johnx | 'night jldiaz |
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| 00:35.54 | n800n | i installed xmms but it's not showing up in apps |
| 00:36.07 | KotCzarny | maybe in 'others' |
| 00:38.02 | pupnik_ | nobody has done freenx yet |
| 00:38.26 | pupnik_ | i found a guy in australia who was developing freenx thin clients for ARM back in.. 2002 |
| 00:38.35 | n800n | not in any menus |
| 00:38.48 | n800n | but it's in app manager |
| 00:39.26 | KotCzarny | well, if you installed mine 1.2.11 it should have added itself to apps |
| 00:40.25 | n800n | i went to the repository |
| 00:40.37 | n800n | but now i have the libs at least |
| 00:40.46 | n800n | so i could get your |
| 00:40.49 | n800n | s |
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| 00:41.39 | |thunder | tablet-encode and mediasrv rock ! |
| 00:41.50 | KotCzarny | assuming they have fixed that dialogs issue you don't have to :) |
| 00:42.39 | KotCzarny | but if file open dialog shows under the window then go on :) |
| 00:42.48 | n800n | libmikmod missing |
| 00:43.04 | KotCzarny | look in libs |
| 00:44.12 | n800n | found |
| 00:44.17 | n800n | dev one |
| 00:44.26 | KotCzarny | ignore _dev |
| 00:45.02 | KotCzarny | i mean you need regular one not _dev package |
| 00:45.55 | n800n | crashed. can you link to your url agsin? |
| 00:46.07 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ |
| 00:46.08 | n800n | should have bookmarked it |
| 00:46.30 | n800n | ty |
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| 00:51.07 | n800n | no go |
| 00:51.17 | n800n | updated xmms w/yours |
| 00:51.32 | KotCzarny | look in the last category, last position |
| 00:51.33 | n800n | i guess i should uninstall first |
| 00:51.36 | KotCzarny | in menu |
| 00:52.22 | n800n | not there |
| 00:52.32 | KotCzarny | but you can start it with xmms ? |
| 00:53.00 | n800n | xterm? |
| 00:53.03 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:53.18 | n800n | should be able to lets try |
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| 01:19.41 | n800n | hey sorry dealing with a bootcamp installation |
| 01:19.54 | n800n | i'll oick this up a lil later |
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| 01:47.19 | dick-richardson | anyone using twitter through gtalk on their tablet? |
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| 02:07.26 | term-sig | heil! |
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| 02:24.12 | skibur | Weird question about linux. Linus said he created Linux while studying at a University.... Doesn't that mean that the Univeristy has the rights to Linux? |
| 02:24.34 | johnx | nope, he created it outside of class |
| 02:24.49 | KotCzarny | and against his teacher hints |
| 02:24.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:25.27 | KotCzarny | or paradigms |
| 02:25.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:26.45 | mibus | I would assume that you'd own the copyright even if it was for class, unless you used the teacher's specific work as a direct base of your own work |
| 02:27.14 | derf | It depends on what agreements you made with the university. |
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| 02:27.23 | johnx | mibus, it can be complicated in many cases, especially if the university is paying you to do the research |
| 02:27.26 | mibus | derf: That would be true, I suppose. |
| 02:27.37 | Navi | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/wii/devices/3827&cl=us,en <- best 15 dollar USB keyboard that I've found so far |
| 02:27.39 | Navi | >_> |
| 02:27.44 | mibus | johnx: I hadn't considered that (I never went beyond a "normal" degree myself) |
| 02:27.46 | derf | Yeah, usually if you're a student you haven't agreed to much. |
| 02:27.56 | derf | But once you become an employee, they ask you to sign all kinds of things. |
| 02:28.04 | johnx | Navi, that thing is ginormous though O_o |
| 02:28.14 | Navi | It's not that bad |
| 02:28.15 | skibur | I see |
| 02:28.20 | Navi | Te size of a normal keyboard |
| 02:28.29 | skibur | he was studying Operating Systems at that time |
| 02:29.13 | Navi | Can't find anything small for 15 |
| 02:31.24 | Navi | Well, there's this I guess: http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/ultraslimkey.htm |
| 02:31.47 | johnx | nice, but still bigish |
| 02:32.12 | Navi | Chop off the numpad with a hacksaw :D |
| 02:32.15 | johnx | I'll see if I can dig up the listing for mine, but I don't know how you'd get it shipped |
| 02:33.22 | Navi | The Saitek Ultra Slim isn't too big. |
| 02:34.15 | Navi | just the media buttons up top waste space :( |
| 02:36.41 | dick-richardson | Navi: I'm using that keyboard right now |
| 02:36.43 | dick-richardson | LOVE it |
| 02:36.53 | Navi | The Ultra Slim? |
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| 02:37.19 | dick-richardson | No, the logitech |
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| 02:38.36 | Navi | Ah |
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| 02:39.22 | Navi | Is it wireless? |
| 02:39.36 | dick-richardson | no, just the $15 usb keyboard |
| 02:39.41 | Navi | Oh right |
| 02:40.08 | dick-richardson | Had wireless but went back to wired. |
| 02:40.16 | Grackle | I have the wireless version of that. |
| 02:40.31 | Navi | Heh |
| 02:40.44 | Grackle | I hate how the ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdwn island is laid out, but other than that it's decent. |
| 02:40.58 | Navi | I'm fine with it |
| 02:41.10 | Grackle | Oh, the spacebar rattles when I play my music loud, but I wouldn't really call that a fault. |
| 02:41.11 | dick-richardson | The key feel is really good |
| 02:41.37 | Navi | I'm still waiting for johnx to pull up teh listing |
| 02:41.38 | Navi | ^_^ |
| 02:41.45 | johnx | yeah, so am I |
| 02:42.04 | johnx | my keyboard has *no brand* sticker on it |
| 02:42.14 | johnx | ah, it's prolly in the logs :D |
| 02:42.16 | Navi | Heh |
| 02:42.17 | johnx | searches |
| 02:45.07 | dick-richardson | any twitter users? |
| 02:45.28 | mibus | I have an account - is that the same thing? ;) |
| 02:46.07 | dick-richardson | keep from using it for as long as you can, worse than crack |
| 02:46.13 | mibus | lol |
| 02:46.28 | mibus | I only know a couple of others using it, which seems to limit it a fair bit |
| 02:47.00 | dick-richardson | I try to follow the tech pundits...there's often something good there. |
| 02:47.18 | mibus | any examples? |
| 02:47.22 | mibus | suggestions, rather? |
| 02:47.42 | dick-richardson | leolaporte and therealdvorak are interesting |
| 02:47.54 | mibus | thanks, I'll look into them |
| 02:48.06 | penguinbait | hey johnx? |
| 02:48.16 | johnx | hey penguinbait? |
| 02:48.28 | dick-richardson | hang on...i've heard this joke |
| 02:48.56 | dick-richardson | must be a take on the waltons |
| 02:49.04 | penguinbait | have you ever attempted to start a second X instance on tablet? |
| 02:49.24 | penguinbait | like Xomap -- :2 |
| 02:49.39 | johnx | no, but i wouldn't guess there would be any problem |
| 02:50.04 | penguinbait | it seems to bleed through current screen |
| 02:50.11 | KotCzarny | hackish |
| 02:50.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:50.18 | penguinbait | I am thinking I need getty |
| 02:50.22 | penguinbait | ? |
| 02:50.39 | penguinbait | can you run getty on these things? |
| 02:50.44 | johnx | hmm...it should figure out how get a new VT |
| 02:50.50 | johnx | that's a kernel level thing I thought |
| 02:51.13 | johnx | are you sure that it's not just failing to update the screen until you refresh it? |
| 02:51.33 | johnx | Navi, http://www.faith-go.co.jp/lists/viewitem.asp?id=000000200521158&rk=01000q4h00001w |
| 02:51.34 | penguinbait | it sure would be nice to have kde and maemo runnning at the same tme |
| 02:51.49 | johnx | I guess, but the swapping would be pretty miserable |
| 02:51.50 | skibur | :/ |
| 02:51.52 | penguinbait | just toggle back an fourth |
| 02:52.20 | Navi | johnx, O_o |
| 02:52.30 | penguinbait | not sure, it might be ok |
| 02:53.15 | johnx | Navi, the whole thing is about as wide as the key area on a normal keyboard |
| 02:53.25 | johnx | (ie, from left shift to enter) |
| 02:53.39 | johnx | the d-pad is a little mushy but usable |
| 02:56.09 | Navi | Oh, I figure as much |
| 02:56.25 | Navi | So are the keys condensed? |
| 02:56.29 | johnx | oh yeah |
| 02:56.46 | johnx | noticeably |
| 02:56.49 | Navi | can't read japanese :( |
| 02:57.05 | johnx | you mean to understand the page? or to use the keyboard? |
| 02:57.18 | Navi | Haha |
| 02:57.22 | Navi | The page |
| 02:58.14 | johnx | the price is 1400JPY, which is almost exactly $14 these days |
| 02:59.50 | Navi | I knew that much |
| 03:00.02 | johnx | :D really though, the page doesn't say much about it |
| 03:00.03 | Navi | but that's all |
| 03:00.09 | Navi | mmk |
| 03:00.58 | johnx | it has 88 keys, and it's called the "su-ri-ma-mi-ni-ki-bo-do" |
| 03:01.00 | johnx | that's about it |
| 03:01.30 | Navi | mmk |
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| 03:02.22 | johnx | I know there are a couple mini-keyboards that should be available in the US |
| 03:03.54 | Navi | Where do you live? |
| 03:03.58 | johnx | Japan |
| 03:04.01 | Navi | icic |
| 03:04.24 | johnx | I picked the keyboard in Akihabara for $15 from a little shop that sells almost nothing but keyboards :) |
| 03:04.31 | Navi | Hehe |
| 03:04.47 | johnx | well, keyboards, asus eeepcs, and ds mod chips :D |
| 03:04.53 | Navi | :P |
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| 03:08.58 | Navi | Mmm |
| 03:10.55 | Navi | In a slightly related note, there's this Japanese person that moved here I know who works in a Taiwanese food place |
| 03:12.24 | johnx | cool. I guess that balances things out. (I'm American) |
| 03:14.31 | Navi | The shelves there are packed full of mangas in mandarin |
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| 03:15.58 | Navi | I can't read those either, so bleh |
| 03:16.09 | johnx | heh...manga, something for everyone |
| 03:16.17 | johnx | and I mean *everyone* |
| 03:16.21 | Navi | :) |
| 03:16.38 | johnx | you like playing tag? there's a manga about it! how about checkers? sure! |
| 03:16.44 | Navi | Haha |
| 03:16.45 | KotCzarny | mostly for pedophiles |
| 03:16.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:16.51 | NullM0dem | lol |
| 03:16.59 | johnx | yay, KotCzarny presents his informed opinion! |
| 03:17.05 | Navi | indeed |
| 03:17.07 | KotCzarny | well |
| 03:17.16 | Navi | I like reading manga using comix on the N800 |
| 03:17.36 | Navi | the default keybinds were horrible and the hold for right click menu sucked |
| 03:17.47 | KotCzarny | johnx, but hey, all of them look like children |
| 03:18.01 | KotCzarny | even 'mature' girls |
| 03:18.03 | johnx | except when they don't |
| 03:18.11 | KotCzarny | name one? |
| 03:19.03 | KotCzarny | and i don't say there are no good mangas |
| 03:19.23 | NullM0dem | hey guys, im tyring to back up the maps from my n810 so i can format the internal memory card, i cant seem to copy without error's. anyone know of a way around this. my card is corrupt from the factory, i would wipe the maps if i knew i could grab them online... |
| 03:19.31 | KotCzarny | but most of them are just run on the mill legs |
| 03:19.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:19.36 | NullM0dem | hentai or manga? |
| 03:19.41 | KotCzarny | manga |
| 03:20.13 | KotCzarny | nm: cp or tar fails? |
| 03:20.25 | NullM0dem | they all do look young... then again so do most woman from japan |
| 03:20.51 | NullM0dem | im using winblows, get cant read from sector error. i could try under linux but i feel its a corrupt read problem |
| 03:21.02 | KotCzarny | just skip offending file |
| 03:21.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:21.16 | NullM0dem | might as well wipe the maps |
| 03:21.19 | NullM0dem | :P |
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| 03:21.37 | johnx | use dd or the equivalent |
| 03:22.00 | NullM0dem | makes sense, need to switch to real OS first |
| 03:22.01 | NullM0dem | thanks |
| 03:22.50 | NullM0dem | any BS= tips? or should i just dd if=/dev/mmcfoo of=bar.img |
| 03:23.17 | KotCzarny | i think there was a version of dd that skips over unreadable sectors |
| 03:23.32 | johnx | I'm willing to bet the corruption is at the fs level though |
| 03:23.48 | NullM0dem | my map apps crashes too |
| 03:23.58 | NullM0dem | i feel ive lost them |
| 03:24.09 | NullM0dem | anyplace to redownload? |
| 03:24.24 | johnx | yeah, there's a site, but you can download on the tablet too IIRC |
| 03:24.34 | NullM0dem | coool |
| 03:24.43 | NullM0dem | formatting :) |
| 03:24.55 | NullM0dem | i still have to upgrade to 2008 |
| 03:27.35 | n800n | doesn't nokia have a map downloader? |
| 03:27.49 | n800n | for pc |
| 03:27.58 | n800n | iirc |
| 03:28.33 | mibus | NullM0dem: IIRC, conv=noerror stops dd from bailing entirely on read errors |
| 03:28.55 | mibus | NullM0dem: I used to dd floppies for recovery back in the day |
| 03:29.02 | n800n | lotsof iircs |
| 03:29.15 | mibus | NullM0dem: copy the whole disk as an image, then try mounting that |
| 03:29.54 | NullM0dem | mibus thanks, very usefull |
| 03:30.03 | mibus | NullM0dem: no probs |
| 03:31.21 | n800n | mounting is good |
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| 03:35.21 | NullM0dem | n800n: that depends on what your mounting :-P |
| 03:35.33 | KotCzarny | 'you are' |
| 03:36.00 | NullM0dem | :( |
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| 03:36.45 | n800n | you'd think there are lots of mounting jokes in the nix world |
| 03:41.43 | Proteous | at least buy me dinner first |
| 03:42.40 | penguinbait | http://www.schabell.com/2007/09/saw-this-on-t-shirt-unix-joke.html |
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| 03:43.38 | penguinbait | can you believe they left out head?? |
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| 03:53.47 | n800n | hah |
| 03:54.18 | penguinbait | somebody laughed :) |
| 03:54.46 | NullM0dem | does the latest 2008 firmware contain that internal memory read only bug? |
| 03:55.26 | NullM0dem | id change it to grep -i burnette |
| 03:55.33 | NullM0dem | :) |
| 03:55.37 | KotCzarny | burn'ett |
| 03:55.38 | KotCzarny | e |
| 03:55.42 | NullM0dem | doh |
| 03:59.19 | penguinbait | night |
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| 04:00.24 | n800n | apple's windows drivers suck. |
| 04:03.19 | Navi | indeed |
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| 04:40.53 | JasonWoof | can I use a different keymap for my bluetooth keyboard? |
| 04:41.03 | JasonWoof | (n810) |
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| 05:01.44 | JasonWoof | there's two rather obvious and annoying problems with osso-xterm: 1) when you close the terminal (whith ctrl-d) it goes white, but does not close the window |
| 05:02.44 | JasonWoof | 2) when you open a new window from the menu->Windows->New Window thing it opens, but doesn't get keyboard focus |
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| 05:18.06 | rm_you | hrm |
| 05:18.12 | rm_you | time to figure out how to disassemble my n800 >_> |
| 05:18.17 | Navi | Woo |
| 05:18.23 | rm_you | sup johnx |
| 05:18.29 | rm_you | hey Navi :P |
| 05:18.34 | Navi | hiya |
| 05:18.35 | rm_you | gah, i've been gone for a while >_> |
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| 05:28.05 | rm_you | damn |
| 05:28.09 | rm_you | no star screwdriver >_> |
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| 05:32.00 | Navi | Heh |
| 05:32.05 | Navi | Sucks |
| 05:38.07 | rm_you | or... |
| 05:38.10 | rm_you | i guess it's a hex |
| 05:39.13 | Navi | :P |
| 05:39.28 | KotCzarny | hex star? |
| 05:39.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 05:39.59 | Navi | Hey qwerty12 |
| 05:40.05 | qwerty12 | Hi Navi |
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| 06:14.14 | rm_you | damn... took it entirely apart, checked every connection three times, and it's still rebooting after less than 10 seconds every startup |
| 06:14.37 | rm_you | but it does the same thing in debian, so i'm pretty sure it isn't my flash, either |
| 06:14.41 | rm_you | but i'm still going to check |
| 06:14.53 | qwerty12 | :(. dmesg saying anything? |
| 06:15.37 | rm_you | got a terminal and dmesg up RIGHT before it died this time |
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| 06:15.49 | rm_you | said something about a jffs2 CRC failing |
| 06:15.54 | threethirtyN800 | hello all |
| 06:16.05 | rm_you | i guess my filesystem could be corrupted, but that's probably an effect, not the cause |
| 06:16.12 | rm_you | err, side-effect |
| 06:16.16 | qwerty12 | Hmm, my N800 does that sometimes and restarts on boot, it fixes it and reboots again. |
| 06:16.36 | rm_you | could be bad ram? |
| 06:16.39 | rm_you | ram/rom? |
| 06:16.44 | rm_you | err |
| 06:16.46 | rm_you | bad flash? |
| 06:16.57 | qwerty12 | But yes, I always get them if I shutdown by taking out the battery for example so it could be an effect. |
| 06:17.00 | KotCzarny | i bet on bad chip |
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| 06:17.13 | KotCzarny | or bad connection somewhere |
| 06:17.35 | rm_you | i rechecked every connection a lot |
| 06:17.36 | KotCzarny | fe. unsoldered chip/lane |
| 06:17.40 | rm_you | ah |
| 06:17.43 | rm_you | that kind of connection :/ |
| 06:17.46 | KotCzarny | it can be unseen for the eye |
| 06:17.56 | rm_you | yeah |
| 06:17.58 | rm_you | well |
| 06:18.03 | rm_you | i could take it to the engineering department |
| 06:18.08 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 06:18.20 | rm_you | theres an electronics guy there that is super helpful |
| 06:18.29 | KotCzarny | experienced elecrtonics know some tricks |
| 06:18.31 | rm_you | not sure how he would check stuff tho :/ |
| 06:18.45 | KotCzarny | bring gifts? |
| 06:18.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:20.46 | threethirtyN800 | i have a really quick question, can someone point me to some info on fiximg my repos. i cant get them to refesh |
| 06:21.31 | rm_you | yeah it happens EXACTLY at the same time every time... |
| 06:21.54 | KotCzarny | rm_you: but you can flash it? |
| 06:21.57 | rm_you | i watch dmesg.... and it is basically blank... blank... blank... jffs2 CRC message -> crash |
| 06:22.03 | rm_you | KotCzarny: yes... |
| 06:22.12 | rm_you | but this is the 6th or 7th flash with the same problem >_> |
| 06:22.16 | KotCzarny | tried cloning to sd ? |
| 06:22.22 | rm_you | whenever i flash it, it gets better for about a day |
| 06:22.27 | rm_you | and then degrades back to every 10 seconds |
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| 06:22.42 | qwerty12 | How do you shutdown your N8*0 out of question? |
| 06:23.06 | rm_you | KotCzarny: I could try running off SD |
| 06:23.10 | rm_you | i will try that right now |
| 06:23.10 | rm_you | err |
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| 06:23.18 | KotCzarny | rm_you: that would exclude bad flash |
| 06:23.19 | rm_you | well no... i am doing that with debian tho already |
| 06:23.22 | rm_you | and same problem |
| 06:23.33 | rm_you | i think... let me verify |
| 06:27.46 | qwerty12 | solmumaha, Is it ok if I use your deb file and script for my ROTT half port please? I don't mind if you refuse, it would just make things easier for me. |
| 06:28.00 | qwerty12 | ^script to run the duke3d |
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| 06:45.13 | rm_you | hrm |
| 06:45.21 | rm_you | damn, yep... it reboots from debian too |
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| 07:55.23 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:58.51 | pupnik_ | o/ Jaffa |
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| 08:03.15 | rm_you | hey Jaffa |
| 08:03.27 | rm_you | any idea if mediaserv works for PS3 streaming? :P |
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| 08:04.26 | Ulysses222 | Hi Jaffa, I have an issue with mediaserv and video center integration. |
| 08:10.22 | Jaffa | rm_you: dunno, buy me a PS3 and I'll make it work ;-) |
| 08:13.48 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:13.57 | rm_you | same could be said the other way around :P |
| 08:14.17 | rm_you | i don't actually have a PS3 yet, i'm just deciding how long it'd take me to make mediaserv work for it if i got one |
| 08:14.27 | rm_you | i was kinda hoping it might just "work" already :P |
| 08:17.41 | Cptnodegard | morning earthlings |
| 08:18.28 | Cptnodegard | last night i dreamt i had a tamagotchi app for the n800, that i had to feed by taking pics of food and sending to it with bt o_0 |
| 08:18.42 | Cptnodegard | time to put away the tablet and go explore real life? |
| 08:20.29 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:22.12 | Navi | Woo |
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| 08:22.23 | Navi | That'd be fun |
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| 08:48.48 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 09:10.39 | johnx | hey rm_you |
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| 09:36.12 | Cptnodegard | um halp |
| 09:36.14 | Cptnodegard | Warning: Wrong parameter count for str_replace() in /home/moedegaard/public_html/ctrlaltdel.php on line 9 |
| 09:36.18 | Cptnodegard | wtf does that mean+ |
| 09:36.35 | KotCzarny | maybe parameter count is wrong |
| 09:36.41 | Cptnodegard | and what is that? |
| 09:36.51 | KotCzarny | count of parameters |
| 09:37.03 | Cptnodegard | ...you dont know php do you? :/ |
| 09:37.11 | KotCzarny | i do |
| 09:37.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:37.16 | Cptnodegard | halp? 8# |
| 09:37.19 | jani | you are propably using #define'd string as a parameter and preprocessor doesnt see the % parameters ? |
| 09:37.20 | KotCzarny | it's just a mixture of c and perl |
| 09:37.32 | Cptnodegard | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.35 | Cptnodegard | thats the line in question |
| 09:37.43 | Cptnodegard | oh wait |
| 09:37.47 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 09:37.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:37.50 | jani | =) |
| 09:37.53 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 09:38.05 | KotCzarny | we are glad to be of any help ;) |
| 09:39.10 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 09:44.41 | Cptnodegard | in my defense i dont knowany php...im just modifying shit :D |
| 09:46.01 | Cptnodegard | thats the 6th webcomic added to canola photocast ^^ |
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| 09:47.21 | Blafasel | Hm? |
| 09:47.24 | Blafasel | webcomics? |
| 09:47.33 | Blafasel | Elaborate.. ;) |
| 09:47.39 | Cptnodegard | you know, like xkcd.com, ctrl alt del etc |
| 09:47.59 | Blafasel | I need a way to feed on xkcd, userfriendly, vgcats, giantitp/order of the stick and wulffmorgenthaler |
| 09:48.04 | Cptnodegard | im using PHP to extract the latest comic and make a XML readable by canola |
| 09:48.09 | Blafasel | So - where? How? |
| 09:48.12 | Blafasel | Ah.. |
| 09:48.34 | Cptnodegard | this only works with the latest comics but sure can be adapted by someone who actually know php |
| 09:48.38 | Cptnodegard | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19698 |
| 09:48.49 | tank-man | why not use plucker to grab the comics |
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| 09:49.41 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Hmm.. Interesting. I wonder what the legal situation is there, though |
| 09:49.44 | Cptnodegard | i ant the comics on canola, and only really need the newest ones |
| 09:50.21 | Cptnodegard | dunno, Blafasel. im not physically copying the comics, im just removing everything but the link to the actual thing |
| 09:50.33 | Cptnodegard | an automatic way of "copy image location" |
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| 09:51.01 | Blafasel | Yeah. It's just a kind of "deep linking" imo. Well, nice anyway and a good idea. |
| 09:51.19 | Cptnodegard | worst case scenario i remove the ITT topic and use it only for personal use :) |
| 09:51.30 | Blafasel | ;-) |
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| 09:52.41 | Cptnodegard | i have other php thingies as well... a script that lets me add postal tracking numbers (norway only) and get a feed that shows me the latest status of the package on the n800 rss reader |
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| 09:55.13 | Cptnodegard | the userfriendly ones is gif which canola wont do... i have aconversion script but havent made those feeds public because thats physically tampering with the strips |
| 09:57.01 | Blafasel | canola doesn't do gif? Is there still a patent issue with gif files? Or is this an oversight? |
| 09:57.53 | Jaffa | Patent's expired, I think. |
| 09:58.28 | Cptnodegard | if its not the feed only...it says no photos in feed if they are gif |
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| 09:59.48 | Cptnodegard | hmmm |
| 10:00.27 | Cptnodegard | whats the wildcard for php? if i want the replace function to remove a dynamic line in between others? |
| 10:00.32 | Cptnodegard | other static ones* |
| 10:01.15 | Blafasel | I don't understand the question, sorry |
| 10:01.55 | Cptnodegard | no biggie |
| 10:02.51 | Blafasel | But you might want to look into preg_replace / ereg_replace for "advanced" replacements |
| 10:03.16 | Cptnodegard | again...dont know shit about php :) i jsut got a working script from a freidna dn adapting it for each comic |
| 10:03.41 | Cptnodegard | i got all the ones i want so ill leave it to others if they want to continue the idea |
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| 10:41.46 | florian | good morning |
| 10:41.55 | wom-_ | afternoon :) |
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| 10:46.13 | lardman | morning |
| 10:49.36 | lcuk | evening :P |
| 10:50.23 | lcuk | i heard from the travel agency, ill be arriving at dinner time on wednesday and leaving on saturday teatime |
| 10:51.56 | Cptnodegard | time travel? |
| 10:52.13 | Cptnodegard | oh nvm |
| 10:52.25 | lardman | I booked yesterday, getting there on Tuesday evening, leaving Sat evening |
| 10:52.28 | lcuk | could be fun. |
| 10:54.13 | lcuk | i still dont know which hotel i am in, for all i know i could be expected to sleep on the streets |
| 10:54.31 | lardman | lol, i can't remember the name of the one I booked |
| 10:54.37 | lcuk | "you're a devloper, code up your own accommodation" |
| 10:55.40 | lcuk | are you beavering away on dsp this afternoon then, or taking it easy |
| 10:55.52 | lardman | lcuk: day job! |
| 10:55.58 | lardman | :) |
| 10:56.23 | lcuk | ahhh i never knew your dayjob was talkin in maemo :P |
| 10:56.29 | lcuk | (sounds like mine as well) |
| 10:56.29 | lardman | though with that said, I might try to debug some DSP code if I get bored (strange thing I know) |
| 10:57.17 | lcuk | not really, i find it relaxing to code most of the time |
| 10:57.35 | lcuk | i see it as playing a game, get all the right pieces into place and you level up |
| 10:57.52 | lcuk | sometimes, theres a big evil end of level nasty which you have to work harder to get rid of ;0 |
| 10:58.40 | lardman | I like the challenge of learning something new |
| 10:58.52 | lardman | and when you finish it's a good feeling too :) |
| 10:59.31 | lcuk | the problem is, like painting a good picture you are never finished. you have to draw the line somewhere |
| 11:00.13 | lcuk | my boss says we don't wanna be van goghs, we want reward for our hard work whilst we are still alive to enjoy it |
| 11:00.18 | lardman | :) |
| 11:00.55 | lcuk | have you actually got the dsp outputting real data now btw? |
| 11:01.18 | lardman | no, still odd patterns |
| 11:01.48 | lardman | though I've fed it a known pattern and tried outputting it as RGB444, so I can see if I can make some sense of it |
| 11:01.50 | lcuk | but thats par for the course with the framebuffer. are you starting with odd patterns though |
| 11:02.40 | lardman | yeah, was starting with a movie decoded to yv12 by the mplayer -vo yv4mpeg option |
| 11:02.47 | lcuk | i went through similar trials when i was first messing with omapfb, it wasnt until i moved to xv that it started to make proper sense - i just think my mind understands planar better |
| 11:03.26 | lcuk | was brought up with amiga bitplanes |
| 11:03.50 | lardman | ~lart my network for continually resetting my sftp connection |
| 11:03.50 | infobot | puts my network through a wood chipper for continually resetting my sftp connection |
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| 11:05.05 | lcuk | are you taking a dev environment to germany with you? |
| 11:05.13 | lcuk | ie laptop |
| 11:05.21 | lardman | no, just N810 |
| 11:05.55 | lcuk | :O so how will you manage to make changes to code whilst sat in the bar? |
| 11:06.08 | lardman | :) |
| 11:06.12 | lardman | I don't own a laptop |
| 11:06.17 | lcuk | having said that, ive got gcc and most of the dev tools on my 810 |
| 11:07.06 | lcuk | i didnt until very recently - i was about 2mm from buying an eee, but i ended up getting hold of a spare machine |
| 11:08.51 | lcuk | does the dsp run in armel? |
| 11:08.56 | lcuk | or is it x86 only |
| 11:09.03 | lcuk | dsp compiler ^ |
| 11:09.22 | lardman | x86 only |
| 11:10.04 | lcuk | thats a shame - linux or win binary? |
| 11:10.28 | lardman | Linux binary |
| 11:10.50 | lcuk | its not all bad then :P |
| 11:11.22 | lardman | no, works fine |
| 11:12.01 | lcuk | ill have to have a look at this dsp stuff soon enough if i can hand off even some of the blitting it should make life easier |
| 11:12.32 | lardman | only if you need to do some conversion to the data before blitting though, otherwise it's just overhad |
| 11:12.35 | lardman | overhead |
| 11:13.30 | lcuk | so giving it a list of pointers and offsets and saying "blit all these" wouldnt be worth it? |
| 11:14.03 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:14.25 | lardman | all of the pointers would have to point to the shared memory region |
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| 11:14.32 | lardman | so that the DSP can access the data |
| 11:14.44 | lcuk | i wouldnt expect it to be quick enough to do individual blits for me - the startup/shutdown overheads would be too great |
| 11:15.12 | lardman | but if the overhead of blitting each element is more significant than the overhrad of the ioctl call to tell the DSP to do it, then it might be worth doing |
| 11:16.09 | lcuk | ok, so at present i create a standard block of memory for font glyph data (though it could be sprites or something) if i made that a shm region it may work - hell the dsp could do the scaling for me with those |
| 11:16.20 | lcuk | brb |
| 11:16.34 | lardman | yes |
| 11:25.54 | lcuk | (damn customers calling up disturbing me) cool about that :) shall get to specifics another time. i must dash properly, cya later lardman |
| 11:26.03 | lardman | np, cu |
| 11:26.58 | lardman | ssvb: ping |
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| 11:36.07 | Jaffa | yawns |
| 11:36.20 | Jaffa | copies more stuff over to his N810 for the long flight to JavaOne tomorrow |
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| 11:42.47 | lardman | Jaffa: See if you can find out about Jazelle :) |
| 11:43.09 | lardman | Ask them about the undocumented CPU coprocessor registers ;) |
| 11:43.29 | Jaffa | I'll try and nick some confidential stuff of the ARM stand ;) |
| 11:44.01 | lardman | actually see if they'll sue us if we get something running |
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| 11:47.28 | lardman | hmm, I've just read in that YUV data (4:2:0) and plotted in in MATLAB, and curiously I can display the Y plane by reading in 320x240 uchars; but then I need to read in 6 uchars, then the U and V planes 320/2 * 240/2 |
| 11:47.41 | lardman | if that extra 6 uchars padding? |
| 11:49.02 | derf | Unlikely... 320x240 is divisible by 1024. |
| 11:49.35 | derf | What are the _first_ 6 chars of data? |
| 11:49.38 | lardman | ah, but the 1/2 size U and V planes aren't, so perhaps they are padded - I've not looked at their contents (as they are almost monochromatic) |
| 11:49.56 | derf | Usually you pad the _end_ of data to align the _start_. |
| 11:49.58 | lardman | the first 5 or so frames (Y+U+V) are all 0 |
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| 11:51.22 | ssvb | hi lardman |
| 11:51.26 | lardman | hi ssvb |
| 11:51.55 | lardman | I'm battling with yuv4mpeg output :) |
| 11:51.57 | derf | I have no idea where you got this data, but stuff like the yuv4mpeg2 format prefixes each frame with the string "FRAME\n". |
| 11:52.05 | derf | Ah hah. |
| 11:52.20 | lardman | right, that may explain it then :) |
| 11:52.29 | lardman | thanks |
| 11:52.31 | derf | That's why I asked what the first 6 bytes were. |
| 11:52.33 | lardman | thought I was going mad |
| 11:52.39 | lardman | ah I see |
| 11:53.16 | lardman | oh, there's actually quite a lot of stuff in the first 0x30 bytes |
| 11:53.23 | lardman | I thought it would produce a raw stream |
| 11:53.50 | derf | Yes... that's the stream header. |
| 11:54.00 | derf | You know the mjpegtools project documents all of this. |
| 11:54.26 | lardman | I didn't, thanks. I was just looking for raw frame data to send to the DSP |
| 11:56.18 | lardman | with that said, although it displays on my PC, I cen't get the framebuffer to show anything useful |
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| 11:56.47 | lardman | ssvb: the latter elements of the update struct, out_x, out_y, out_width and out_height perform scaling on the output data presumably? |
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| 11:59.39 | lardman | no matter what I do with these, my output stays localised in the top lefthand corner of the screen (and is certainly smaller than the 320x240 region that I write to the FB shared memory |
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| 12:02.59 | ssvb | lardman: yes, I also noticed that it is buggy |
| 12:02.59 | lardman | I should probably do this development on the 770 and save these extra bits for later |
| 12:03.28 | ssvb | so you need x=out_x and y=out_y |
| 12:03.40 | lardman | that's what I did to begin with |
| 12:03.52 | lardman | and even if I change them and the width it doesn't seem to do much |
| 12:03.56 | ssvb | out_width and out_height should be larder or same than original width nad height |
| 12:04.17 | lardman | yep, I set them to 800 & 480 |
| 12:04.26 | ssvb | downscaling is not supported |
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| 12:05.52 | lardman | Is the LCD controller's RGB444 just standard? and is it packed or are 4 bytes missed out? |
| 12:06.30 | lardman | that said, I should be able to just plot the Y plane in RGB565 rather than fiddling with RGB444 |
| 12:07.08 | ssvb | i think RGB444 is not supported |
| 12:07.22 | lardman | hmm, it's in the list |
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| 12:08.07 | ssvb | lardman: I guess omapfb.h supports a larger set of devices than nokia internet tablets |
| 12:08.31 | ssvb | at least there are references to other hardware in the kernel sources |
| 12:09.33 | lardman | ah, good point, I'd not really thought of that |
| 12:09.38 | ssvb | better use Epson documentation for the reference about color formats |
| 12:10.04 | lardman | ok, well 565 is in both so I'll try that and see what it outputs |
| 12:11.17 | lardman | Am heading home for lunch, will have a play and see if I can get RGB out, then if the YUV still doesn't work I'll ask you to take a look (and laugh) at it |
| 12:11.28 | lardman | :) |
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| 12:21.54 | ssvb | lardman: :) |
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| 12:51.32 | Jaffa | slaps red-zack |
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| 12:51.39 | red-zack | ;) |
| 12:51.53 | red-zack | slaps all people over the world |
| 12:52.03 | red-zack | *with ice-cream |
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| 12:54.25 | inz | Cptnodegard, why don't you go code som'm cool? |
| 12:54.37 | inz | -m+n |
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| 13:24.25 | Cptnodegard | inf: if i could code you mean :) |
| 13:25.47 | Cptnodegard | *inz |
| 13:29.39 | inz | Cptn, well, then you must learn the art first |
| 13:29.43 | inz | Cptn, all the more fun! |
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| 13:31.34 | Cptnodegard | all the bigger headaches :) |
| 13:32.17 | inz | Cptn, then you have not used enough warm coke or cold pizza |
| 13:32.43 | Cptnodegard | lmao |
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| 13:37.29 | pyhimys | How do I enable input cues for vgba? |
| 13:37.58 | pyhimys | Oh, now I found the menu |
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| 13:40.46 | Cptnodegard | how do you control vgba? |
| 13:40.50 | Cptnodegard | joypad? |
| 13:41.00 | pyhimys | touchscreen |
| 13:44.05 | pupnik | and dpad |
| 13:44.20 | Cptnodegard | sounds annoying :3 |
| 13:44.44 | pupnik | What would you suggest? |
| 13:45.06 | Cptnodegard | telepathy |
| 13:45.09 | Cptnodegard | or joypad |
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| 13:46.12 | pupnik | RST38h: could you add right hand side keys (k, l, or similar) for buttons for N810 someday? |
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| 13:57.23 | Cptnodegard | hummmm |
| 13:57.24 | Cptnodegard | so |
| 13:57.27 | Cptnodegard | technically |
| 13:57.34 | Cptnodegard | if i get a snes controller |
| 13:57.40 | Cptnodegard | and use the old k750 i have around |
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| 13:58.22 | Cptnodegard | i can mod msyelf a snes controller with BT hid that can control the vgba emulator without anything else than a .hid file on the controller/phone |
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| 14:02.11 | pupnik | nice |
| 14:02.49 | Cptnodegard | i fitted an mp3 player into a nes controller once so shouldnt be too hard, eben if it adds some bulk or screen sticking up |
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| 14:09.25 | pupnik | yeah for the 770, a spare slide-on case could be easily modded with controls on either side |
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| 14:11.05 | pupnik | if, on the other hand, you have to lug around a seperate controller, you might as well just use a bt keyboard |
| 14:12.10 | Cptnodegard | i dont even have vgba installed though |
| 14:12.23 | Cptnodegard | dont you need half a billion different programs installed to make sound etc work? |
| 14:15.38 | pupnik | Cptnodegard: no |
| 14:15.57 | lardman | ssvb: ping |
| 14:15.59 | Cptnodegard | thought i read something on the forum...or was that the PS emulator |
| 14:16.13 | Cptnodegard | pupnik: so all you need to do is install the app and get a rom? |
| 14:16.41 | pupnik | i don't know what the dependencies are for vgba |
| 14:17.30 | pupnik | if you get an error running it, i can help you figure out what's missing |
| 14:17.42 | Jaffa | Are the deps declared in the .deb? |
| 14:17.48 | Jaffa | s/Are/Aren't/ |
| 14:18.51 | ssvb | lardman: ack |
| 14:19.02 | pupnik | don't know offhand |
| 14:19.56 | lardman | ssvb: it's strange, I can just about see part of the video I'm sending to the framebuffer, all in blue as presumably as the blue component is the lowest 5 bits |
| 14:20.32 | Cptnodegard | maemo.org says the emulator runs extremely slow... so no point in getting it |
| 14:20.39 | lardman | ssvb: but if I try to move the video down, it vanishes almost as if there's a region at ~y=40 pixels which is blanked off across the screen |
| 14:21.14 | lardman | ssvb: I also don't see all of the video (when x=y=0), just what looks like the bottom portion |
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| 14:26.56 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/test-yv12-convert-and-output/ is the code; the YUV420 conversion stuff doesn't appear to work (no surprises there), but more worryingly I can't seem to display the input Y plane as RGB data |
| 14:27.11 | lardman | no 770 code in there yet |
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| 14:27.26 | pupnik | what is your goal for this lardman? |
| 14:27.46 | lardman | convert from YV12 to LCD controller's YUV420 format and output it |
| 14:27.57 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 14:28.13 | lardman | probably lots of school-boy errors in the code, do let me know |
| 14:28.39 | pupnik | what's the purpose of that? :) |
| 14:28.50 | pupnik | an mplayer optimization? |
| 14:28.50 | lardman | now that I think about it, the call to usage() should have a return/exit() after it |
| 14:28.56 | lardman | yes |
| 14:29.08 | pupnik | cool. |
| 14:30.03 | lardman | if anyone wants to run it, add a FRAMEBUFFER section (you should see where) in /lib/dsp/avs_kernelcfg.cmd, add the task name and path to /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf and reboot |
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| 14:31.51 | pupnik | does the dsp draw to screen, or just do yuv12-20? |
| 14:32.02 | lardman | draws to screen |
| 14:32.22 | lardman | but you could just convert if you wanted to; and if the code worked ;) |
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| 14:46.09 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! |
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| 14:46.39 | Khertan_TheReal | Someone know a tool with a simple gui that can synchronize a local dir and a distant dir on an ftp ? |
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| 14:56.43 | qwerty111 | Got a q, in deb files, the Installed-Size: thing in the control file - is it in B/KB/MB? Thanks. |
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| 15:02.50 | Khertan_TheReal | qwerty111 ? |
| 15:02.57 | Khertan_TheReal | B |
| 15:03.00 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 15:03.02 | qwerty111 | Thanks :) |
| 15:03.11 | qwerty111 | My connection timed out :/ |
| 15:03.32 | solmumaha | qwerty111: of course you can use it |
| 15:03.41 | Khertan_TheReal | nope i remember i ve try all until i get the good display in application manager when i ve make pypackager |
| 15:03.49 | qwerty111 | solmumaha, Thanks! :) |
| 15:04.20 | solmumaha | but i have a web based package maker for games too, still needs one fix though |
| 15:04.28 | qwerty111 | Khertan_TheReal, Must have taken a while >.<. Thanks for saving me time :) |
| 15:04.41 | Khertan_TheReal | someone know how i can set a background color for just a line in gtk tree view ? |
| 15:04.42 | qwerty111 | solmumaha, nice :). Hope you can finish it soon :) |
| 15:04.54 | solmumaha | it installs data files to mmc without them ever touching rootfs |
| 15:05.02 | Khertan_TheReal | solmumaha > a web based package maker ... where too ? |
| 15:05.17 | Khertan_TheReal | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.39 | solmumaha | it works ok if you install/uninstall, but shit hits the fan if you try to upgrade |
| 15:05.39 | qwerty111 | solmumaha, that is brilliant. I remember when hacking emacs gtk interface, my 1st install failed because my emacs folder was on mmc. |
| 15:06.44 | solmumaha | i need to check what it tries to do when upgrading, but if you uninstall before installing again, everything should work fine |
| 15:07.49 | solmumaha | Khertan_TheReal: it's not meant for usual apps, but i could easily fix that |
| 15:08.04 | solmumaha | qwerty111: wanna test it? |
| 15:08.13 | qwerty111 | solmumaha, yes please :) |
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| 15:11.54 | Khertan_TheReal | rah ... managing repeating events is really borring in an agenda ! |
| 15:12.02 | lardman | cu all |
| 15:12.06 | Khertan_TheReal | specially with pysql ! |
| 15:12.19 | Khertan_TheReal | s/pysql/sqlite |
| 15:13.12 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... i ll do this when google sync will be ok ! |
| 15:13.29 | solmumaha | qwerty111: can you receive private messages? |
| 15:13.38 | qwerty111 | solmumaha, yes |
| 15:14.47 | solmumaha | k |
| 15:15.15 | Cptnodegard | whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy doesnt anyone torrent the gadget show? :( |
| 15:15.36 | qwerty111 | Not worth torrenting? :p |
| 15:15.46 | Cptnodegard | but it has gadgets 8# |
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| 15:16.03 | qwerty111 | I think we get that show on 5 in the UK. |
| 15:16.26 | Cptnodegard | yup thats who makes itg |
| 15:16.35 | Cptnodegard | it is native to that channel |
| 15:17.15 | qwerty111 | Ah, don't you get it in Norway? |
| 15:17.39 | Cptnodegard | no |
| 15:18.12 | Cptnodegard | at least i dont htin kso...dont have the tv connected to an antenna |
| 15:18.14 | qwerty111 | :(. The injustice of it all, I get the program - which I don't watch on a free channel. |
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| 15:27.25 | solmumaha | qwerty111: got my pm? |
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| 15:30.23 | qwerty12 | arrgh, my fuckin internet keeps timing out in linux! |
| 15:30.34 | Jaffa | It's really been crap the few times I've seen bits of it |
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| 15:39.08 | lopz | hi |
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| 16:24.08 | eido | hey folks - can someone comment on this page? because the implication is these guys are selling a GSM-enabled Nokia N810, unlocked, as a cell phone. which makes absolutely no sense, does it? there's no GSM radio in an N810... |
| 16:24.13 | eido | http://www.ustronics.com/Nokia_N810.php |
| 16:24.44 | towo | utter nonsense. |
| 16:24.52 | glass | proably scammers |
| 16:25.08 | RST38h | n810 has no gsm hardware inside. |
| 16:25.09 | aquatix | wtf |
| 16:25.14 | aquatix | vibration? :) |
| 16:25.29 | eido | thank you :) |
| 16:25.33 | RST38h | whatever these folks claim is a lie |
| 16:25.40 | aquatix | sounds like a dream tablet though ;) |
| 16:25.48 | towo | aquatix: Turn up the volume and play something with bass. |
| 16:25.51 | towo | Voila, vibration. |
| 16:25.54 | aquatix | towo: :) |
| 16:25.59 | eido | (this came up from a conversation on another channel where i said something like "If the N810 had a GSM radio in it, no number of brick walls could be put between me and a purchase of one.") |
| 16:26.16 | _berto_ | maybe it's a nokia 810 -> http://europe.nokia.com/A4142005 |
| 16:26.20 | qwerty12 | But it's too big for vibration! (sorry, I couldn't resist) |
| 16:26.22 | aquatix | eido: i bought one and still love it |
| 16:26.41 | eido | aquatix, granted, it's a great machine. i just want it to be a phone too :) |
| 16:26.42 | RST38h | it works very well with an external handset |
| 16:26.42 | aquatix | _berto_: wtf |
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| 16:26.54 | aquatix | ah, a car phone |
| 16:27.18 | eido | i'm trying to find the final migration off my Treo. right now the N85 is winning the battle. |
| 16:27.26 | RST38h | so well that you can basically treat it as a big screen extension of your handset |
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| 16:43.22 | Cptnodegard | php tutorials are giving me a headache -.- |
| 16:44.29 | Cptnodegard | doesn anyone know what to use in str_replace to replace everything before a specific string? |
| 16:45.13 | Cptnodegard | f.ex "lalalal hello kitty" and then make str_replace replace everything before "kitty" |
| 16:45.54 | Khertan_TheReal | eido > try an nokia 3210 they have same functionnality as treo line |
| 16:46.00 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
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| 16:46.43 | Khertan_TheReal | bye |
| 16:50.33 | Jaffa | Cptnodegard: it's just a perl regexp isn't it? (If not, switch to the regexp one). Then replace "^.*?(lalala hello kitty)" with "$1" |
| 16:51.51 | Cptnodegard | its regexp yes |
| 16:51.51 | Cptnodegard | i think |
| 16:54.44 | solmumaha | _berto_: you have finnish translation yet? |
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| 17:07.04 | qwerty12 | Is there any good file comparers (like diff but with a better/easier interface) for Linux? |
| 17:07.29 | Jaffa | apt-cache search diff? Eclipse has quite a nice one internally. |
| 17:08.23 | qwerty12 | Too much results :), I'll try Eclipse, thanks (or end up loading WinMerge with wine from my NTFS partition) |
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| 17:12.24 | jott | qwerty12: i like kompare and kdiff3 |
| 17:12.55 | qwerty12 | jott, thanks. I'll grab them. |
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| 17:22.49 | _berto_ | solmumaha: no, i haven't |
| 17:22.50 | _berto_ | :) |
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| 17:23.00 | jjg | hi |
| 17:23.06 | jjg | can maemo run on a gumstix platform? |
| 17:23.58 | johnx | you mean end up with the same desktop as the N800/N810 have? |
| 17:24.13 | jjg | not necessarily, but some of the apps |
| 17:24.56 | johnx | the hildon libs are open source, so any open source app should be just a recompile away (unless it depends on armv6 specific features) |
| 17:25.20 | jjg | i am using open embedded to build for a gumstix target and keep reading about scratchbox ... and seeing maemo as a distro for the tablets ... wanted to try scratchbox and was wondering if i could just build maemo for gumstix target |
| 17:25.20 | johnx | did you have a specific app in mind? |
| 17:25.45 | jjg | anything communications and media based |
| 17:25.56 | jjg | audio/video ... sip phone |
| 17:26.04 | johnx | hildon stuff is in openembedded and debian as well, but some of the stuff that ships with the tablet is actually closed source |
| 17:26.24 | johnx | for example, the media player is closed source (or most parts of it are at least) |
| 17:26.43 | johnx | but I believe rtcomm (the sip and IM parts) are open source, IIRC |
| 17:27.08 | JasonWoof | is there an app that I can scribble on the screen, and it will save without asking me, and when I run it next time load what was there when I left? |
| 17:27.13 | jjg | thanks for the info |
| 17:27.47 | johnx | jig, sure :) |
| 17:27.54 | johnx | JasonWoof, I don't remember if maemopadplus behaves that way or not |
| 17:28.03 | johnx | I think it does though |
| 17:28.59 | JasonWoof | nah, I just tried maemopadplus |
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| 17:29.26 | johnx | ah, it asks you to save, doesn't it? |
| 17:29.32 | JasonWoof | speaking of which, maemopadplus should save your "pressure sensativity" option |
| 17:32.13 | qwerty12 | Bye, thanks for the brilliant help I got today. |
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| 17:33.19 | JasonWoof | ok, now to more important stuff... can I use a different keymap for my external keyboard? |
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| 17:36.38 | JasonWoof | I got a bluetooth keyboard. very cool that it works, but there's a few problems: |
| 17:36.46 | JasonWoof | 1) I'd like a totally different layout (dvorak) |
| 17:37.07 | JasonWoof | 2) the sticky shift keys is terrible (tap shift, tap a, gets you a capital A) |
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| 17:37.48 | JasonWoof | 3) sometimes pressing a key on the bluetooth keyboard gets about 10 of that letter on the screen |
| 17:38.01 | JasonWoof | (perhaps #3 is some combination of the key-repeat feature and bluetooth lag?) |
| 17:38.30 | ssvb | lardman: thanks, I'll have a look at it |
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| 18:20.36 | jott | JasonWoof: you could use my svn builds ( http://sse2.net/xterm/ ) it's fixed in it. |
| 18:20.43 | Navi | woo |
| 18:21.00 | Navi | The svn builds are sexy |
| 18:21.06 | Navi | Still no alt :( |
| 18:21.33 | JasonWoof | jott: thanks |
| 18:22.08 | qwerty12_N800 | I like the 13 build from fiferboy (tabs) :) |
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| 18:39.37 | JasonWoof | jott: ahh, works beautifully. also fixes the problem where new windows didn't get keyboard focus |
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| 19:50.03 | JasonWoof | OK, what's the deal with the keyboard mapping? |
| 19:50.06 | JasonWoof | some weird stuff is going on |
| 19:50.23 | JasonWoof | I've got a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 19:50.35 | JasonWoof | I installed xev, and I see that the fn key is actually sending keycodes |
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| 19:51.04 | JasonWoof | and it does on the bluetooth keyboard too |
| 19:51.42 | JasonWoof | so I run xev, with the internal keyboard, and hit fn, I get nice output in xev, showing that it's keycode 216 and that this is registered to the symbol ISO_Level3_Shift |
| 19:51.50 | JasonWoof | xmodmap shows that this is mapped to mod5 |
| 19:51.53 | JasonWoof | excellent |
| 19:52.42 | JasonWoof | BUT (and here's where it gets weird) if I run xev, press fn a few times (all on the internal keyboard so far) then press fn on my bluetooth keyboard, I get two events: |
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| 19:53.58 | JasonWoof | MappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248 |
| 19:54.01 | JasonWoof | then: |
| 19:54.04 | JasonWoof | MappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 247 |
| 19:55.05 | JasonWoof | and then I see keypress event for the fn key on the bluetooth keyboard. it's the same keycode (216) but it's no longer mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift, (it says keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), and after closing xev mod5 is blank |
| 19:56.10 | JasonWoof | so it seems that the keymappings are changing automatically when I hit a key on the keyboard. How do I make it change the keys I want changed (the letter keys) and not f-up the fn key? |
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| 20:21.35 | Cptnodegard | geekbrief.tv has a podcast that you can downlaod in a format specified fo rtthe n8x0 |
| 20:21.46 | Cptnodegard | the chick they have tlaking is friggin annoying though |
| 20:21.59 | Cptnodegard | made an rss feed to the n800 file format directly |
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| 20:26.43 | Cptnodegard | on another note |
| 20:27.06 | Cptnodegard | is there any way of getting smaller fonts on the home applet rss reader? |
| 20:27.17 | Cptnodegard | i.e items are displayed samaller |
| 20:27.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Navi? :) |
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| 20:28.40 | jenjen | lol |
| 20:28.49 | jenjen | this chan really excists? nice:p |
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| 20:29.13 | Cptnodegard | no its imaginary |
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| 20:29.22 | qwerty12_N800 | we are fake |
| 20:29.36 | jenjen | so, where is Brett Borders |
| 20:29.38 | qwerty12_N800 | well my chainz are |
| 20:30.10 | jenjen | http://www.copybrighter.com/blog/social-media-in-the-1990s |
| 20:32.10 | jenjen | [mbm] lol |
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| 20:32.56 | lopz | hola |
| 20:33.37 | [mbm] | Pascal_1: is yes?/ |
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| 20:53.14 | JasonWoof | yay! I got scratchbox and maemo-sdk working! |
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| 20:54.04 | JasonWoof | I built a little sdl app of mine, and it runs great, except the window doesn't show in the window list, so the only way to bring it back to the front is to minimize whatever I put in front of it |
| 20:54.17 | JasonWoof | at least one of the pidgin windows had this problem too |
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| 20:55.13 | flo_lap | re |
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| 20:56.07 | JasonWoof | howdy |
| 20:56.29 | flo_lap | internet access... finally |
| 20:56.40 | flo_lap | ~lart universities |
| 20:56.40 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps universities |
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| 21:02.29 | konttori | JasonWoof: you need to setup the desktop file and run : |
| 21:02.30 | konttori | os.environ["SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS"]="yourappexecutablenamehere" |
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| 21:11.20 | JasonWoof | konttori: that makes it so I can run the sdl app on my laptop, using the tablet as display? |
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| 21:12.02 | lardman | evening all |
| 21:12.07 | JasonWoof | konttori: sorry, brain malfunction. |
| 21:12.22 | konttori | That just allows you to get the window to the window list. |
| 21:12.27 | flo_lap | hi lardman |
| 21:12.34 | konttori | Might be that you also need to do a bit more. |
| 21:12.37 | lardman | hi flo_lap |
| 21:12.48 | JasonWoof | so if I set the window title it should be ok? |
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| 21:14.39 | jott | JasonWoof: actually you need to set that particular env var (SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS) and make a proper desktop file |
| 21:15.06 | jott | JasonWoof: see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ Application name (for the Task Navigator) |
| 21:15.25 | JasonWoof | ahh, I was about to ask for a tutorial. |
| 21:15.25 | JasonWoof | thanks |
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| 21:16.27 | lardman | ssvb: I'd appreciate your thoughts on mu framebuffer issues, and my not-so-good conversion code |
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| 21:17.44 | jott | hmm actually the tutorial is a bit misleading as the StartupWMClass is not set to the same value as the env var ;) |
| 21:17.54 | jott | just be sure to follow the StartupWMClass == SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS |
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| 21:22.19 | JasonWoof | can I just put this in main(): putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename"); |
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| 21:30.43 | pupnik | Maemo developers: OMAP3530 'Pandora' dev units obtainable real soon now. http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=41837 |
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| 21:33.10 | flo_lap | sounds pretty cool |
| 21:34.29 | JasonWoof | jott: I can't get the wmclass stuff to work. I tried exporting it in the terminal, before running my program, and sticking the putenv() line in my program, at the begining, and after sdl_init() |
| 21:34.54 | jott | JasonWoof: important part is the .desktop file |
| 21:35.25 | JasonWoof | do I have to have one? |
| 21:35.29 | JasonWoof | it's just a stand-alone binary |
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| 21:37.16 | jott | JasonWoof: yes, the hildon borkness reads the desktop files and matches the startupwmclass against the wmclass of the launched applications |
| 21:37.36 | pupnik | Looks like Qt for embedded may be moving faster than Hildon atm. |
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| 21:38.09 | jott | "code less, create more" is true after all :) |
| 21:38.26 | JasonWoof | grrr... ok, where do I put this .desktop file? |
| 21:38.49 | pupnik | some maemo.org documentation reading is in order JasonWoof |
| 21:39.03 | JasonWoof | yes |
| 21:39.39 | JasonWoof | I'm having a hard time dealing with this... the WM just ignores windows that aren't custom built for the tablet? |
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| 21:40.01 | JasonWoof | it allows them to open, but then won't allow you to bring them to the front? |
| 21:40.05 | JasonWoof | who's idea was this? |
| 21:40.05 | jott | JasonWoof: more or less, yes |
| 21:40.07 | lardman | JasonWoof: No, I think that's just SDL windows, normal X windows appear ok |
| 21:40.27 | JasonWoof | lardman: ok, that I can deal with... maybe |
| 21:40.45 | JasonWoof | will it behave fullscreen? |
| 21:40.46 | pupnik | ITOS is not designed for multiple windows layered over each other and sliding around |
| 21:41.06 | JasonWoof | pupnik: that's one of the things I like about it |
| 21:41.10 | lardman | though in the first releases they used to disappear (into the bg, never to be brought back again), which was rather annoying |
| 21:41.13 | JasonWoof | I hate layered windows |
| 21:41.32 | jott | JasonWoof: yes, and you have to create a .desktop file anyway to make it accessible from the menus :) |
| 21:41.44 | JasonWoof | buggrall |
| 21:41.56 | JasonWoof | I want to run it from the terminal so I can see the debugging output |
| 21:41.56 | pupnik | btw what are you working on that uses sdl JasonWoof ? |
| 21:42.09 | JasonWoof | a little fractal renderer thing |
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| 21:42.19 | pupnik | i run sdl apps from cmd line without .desktop file |
| 21:42.22 | lardman | JasonWoof: well do so in the first instance, and kill it if it goes to the bg |
| 21:42.46 | pupnik | but yes, if they go into background, you can't not bring them to front iirc |
| 21:42.51 | JasonWoof | to be specific: http://jasonwoof.org/jason_s_koch_like_fractals |
| 21:43.02 | KotCzarny | pupnik: kciconsbox |
| 21:43.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:43.07 | jott | pupnik: sure this works (i also run most apps from terminal), but if you deploy them you have to create a desktop file for usability sakes ;) |
| 21:43.12 | lardman | pupnik: Is that some issue with SDL apps? |
| 21:43.21 | lardman | jott: yes |
| 21:43.28 | JasonWoof | lardman: that's what I've been doing. kinda lame though |
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| 21:43.44 | jott | you can also do "matchnox-remote -next" until you find your window ..heh |
| 21:43.51 | jott | matchbox-remote |
| 21:43.55 | pupnik | ty jott |
| 21:43.59 | lardman | cool |
| 21:44.00 | KotCzarny | jott: kciconxbox :> |
| 21:44.05 | KotCzarny | erm. kciconsbox |
| 21:44.15 | pupnik | never heard of it KotCzarny |
| 21:44.17 | jott | KotCzarny: matchbox-remote is fine ;) |
| 21:44.18 | JasonWoof | jott: sweet |
| 21:44.25 | KotCzarny | pupnik: i have told you about it few times |
| 21:44.33 | pupnik | oh don't remember then :) |
| 21:44.35 | lcuk | pupnik, its kots app lister which lists and allows bringing back any app (i believe) |
| 21:44.38 | lcuk | evening chaps) |
| 21:44.45 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 21:44.51 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 21:44.53 | lcuk | is dying |
| 21:45.01 | JasonWoof | well, sure, if I make a .deb to release this thing, I'd surely have to make a .desktop file. I'm just suprised the interface breaks without it. |
| 21:45.01 | lcuk | netcraft confirmed it |
| 21:45.02 | pupnik | that's bad |
| 21:45.02 | KotCzarny | is quite well |
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| 21:45.35 | lcuk | i have been snoozing since i got back earlier - its highly unlike me |
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| 21:45.54 | jott | JasonWoof: ah good ol'e koch .. has some nice properties |
| 21:46.09 | lcuk | KotCzarny, did i describe it right? |
| 21:46.16 | KotCzarny | lcuk: quite |
| 21:46.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.54 | JasonWoof | jott: yeah, I had fun with it. Instead of replacing each segment with the usual witch-hat shape, I made it so you can click out whatever shape you like |
| 21:46.56 | lcuk | thats a bonus then |
| 21:47.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.25 | JasonWoof | jott: add in a cool trick to go below the level of pixels, and it looks damn cool |
| 21:49.17 | jott | JasonWoof: actually it's more of an l-system then ;) |
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| 21:49.49 | jott | but yeah with general l-systems you can do pretty neat things |
| 21:50.01 | JasonWoof | jott: I really don't know the theory or terminology. |
| 21:50.11 | jott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-system |
| 21:50.22 | lcuk | l-systems == koch snowflakes? |
| 21:50.24 | lcuk | ahh yes |
| 21:50.30 | jott | lcuk: not really |
| 21:52.01 | jott | lcuk: you can encode a koch curve with an l-system though ;) |
| 21:53.16 | JasonWoof | I like watching the shape morph realtime as you drag the points around |
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| 21:54.59 | lcuk | JasonWoof, you can do that with IFS as well |
| 21:55.38 | lcuk | speaking of which - would fractint port to the 810? or is it too entrenched in x86 to work well |
| 21:56.39 | jott | there is a xaos port afair |
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| 22:01.27 | pupnik | i built xaos but it had rendering errors |
| 22:01.32 | pupnik | is there a fixed one? |
| 22:01.36 | pupnik | @ jott |
| 22:01.44 | jott | i guess it was yours then .. |
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| 22:02.07 | jott | JasonWoof: you can create quite nice pictures with your xkoch :) |
| 22:04.28 | JasonWoof | jott: thanks :) |
| 22:04.45 | jott | JasonWoof: you should also allow hue values (or something else) for coloring |
| 22:05.28 | JasonWoof | jott: how? like each segment is a different color? |
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| 22:06.21 | JasonWoof | or just cycle though some kind of gradient/palette instead of just black->white |
| 22:06.37 | jott | JasonWoof: yes something like this |
| 22:06.55 | JasonWoof | oh, another way to do color would be to shift colors slowly as it draws from start to finish |
| 22:07.09 | JasonWoof | I should try that |
| 22:07.16 | JasonWoof | trouble is... how fash should it shift through them |
| 22:07.45 | JasonWoof | I have no idea how long the thing is until I'm done |
| 22:08.15 | jott | JasonWoof: hehe computing the length of those curves is a funny thing |
| 22:08.36 | jott | but you could maybe lerp the segments |
| 22:08.37 | nomis | are the maemo mirrors dead again? |
| 22:09.44 | lardman | JasonWoof: Do a gradient which is related to the absolute screen position |
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| 22:10.08 | lardman | rather than the length of the line drawn on the screen |
| 22:11.20 | JasonWoof | I'm more interested in doing things that you couldn't juts do with the gimp after |
| 22:11.48 | lardman | well it will look nice and be computationally (reasonably) trivial |
| 22:14.35 | jott | hm lerp should also be quite easy to implement (i.e. lerp segments on each iteration) |
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| 22:15.43 | JasonWoof | jott: oh, I forgot to ask... what's lerp? |
| 22:15.54 | jott | linear interpolation |
| 22:18.01 | JasonWoof | jott: interpolate through a color pallete? |
| 22:18.18 | jott | basically, yes. |
| 22:18.37 | JasonWoof | I really like that idea |
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| 22:19.30 | JasonWoof | I imagine with the simpler shapes, it could show more clearly how they are made, and for the more chaotic/blobby ones it might make the blobby parts coherent/interesting |
| 22:20.33 | JasonWoof | just requires me to tripple the size of my biggest buffer |
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| 22:22.06 | JasonWoof | lets see... 800*480*4*3 = 4608000 |
| 22:22.20 | JasonWoof | eesh, that's 4.5MB |
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| 22:25.32 | jott | JasonWoof: when compiling for the n8x0 you should use CFLAGS like -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s and maybe also -ffast-math to make use of the vfp for your float operations |
| 22:26.20 | jott | or go for fixed point arithmetic ;) |
| 22:27.12 | lardman | fixed point is probably better |
| 22:27.15 | JasonWoof | no floating point hardware on the n810? |
| 22:27.26 | lardman | tremor is faster/less intensive than vorbis for example |
| 22:27.33 | JasonWoof | jott: thanks for the cflags advice, I'll make a note |
| 22:27.35 | lardman | JasonWoof: yes there is |
| 22:27.39 | lcuk | yes, but default compile mode == thumb assembler which doesnt have FP operations |
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| 22:28.12 | lcuk | (i believe) |
| 22:28.16 | lardman | lcuk: is it that, or that the toolchain defaults to soft-float? |
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| 22:28.40 | JasonWoof | I'm just guessing here... but this: "-mfloat-abi=softfp" looks like it's asking for software floating point calculations... |
| 22:28.49 | lcuk | i think its just toolchain defaults to thumb - smaller instructions == smaller binary |
| 22:29.20 | lardman | JasonWoof: that's the abi, the -mfpu flag tells it what to use |
| 22:29.28 | JasonWoof | ok |
| 22:29.44 | lardman | means the two can coexist |
| 22:29.45 | lcuk | and simpler for gcc to optimise for (since its most like other instruction sets). full arm asm has a lot of niceness which is hard to compile for efficiently i believe |
| 22:29.50 | JasonWoof | funny, my fractal thing seemed to run pretty fast anyway, I'll try it this way |
| 22:30.47 | lcuk | JasonWoof, you will probably find that for these kind of subdivision fractals it will be drawing speed which lags more than the algo (unless you are doing whole recursion steps in one go) |
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| 22:33.57 | JasonWoof | woh, those flags made a huge difference |
| 22:34.07 | lcuk | heh - and note the site name before clicking - has this girl got an l system on her stomach http://www.totallynsfw.com/galleries/galleries_birdwatching_292/ |
| 22:34.51 | JasonWoof | lcuk: the part that's really slow draws off screen until done, then figures gama, and eventually blits |
| 22:36.02 | lcuk | ahh |
| 22:37.51 | JasonWoof | I just used the flags on my game (vor) and it made a noticeable difference when you explode |
| 22:37.58 | JasonWoof | (previously there was a huge frame-drop then) |
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| 22:39.20 | lardman | ~lart omapdsp on 770 for being different |
| 22:39.20 | infobot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, omapdsp on 770, this won't hurt a bit...." for being different |
| 22:39.48 | lardman | someone's being teaching infobot....? |
| 22:39.59 | lardman | *been |
| 22:40.24 | pupnik | boo lcuk. that's not an lsystem. |
| 22:40.48 | lcuk | its pretty though :) |
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| 22:43.42 | pupnik | Btw: "a technique for modifying subcutaneous tattoos using special inks has also been patented. It relies upon microencapsulated spheres injected under the skin. Such microencapsulation is typified by eInk's "digital ink" technology for use in electronic paper. A set of drive electrodes manually applied to the skin manipulates the tattoo image electrically." |
| 22:44.27 | Navi | woo |
| 22:44.44 | pupnik | imagine surfing the web on your forearm |
| 22:44.49 | Navi | XD |
| 22:45.21 | lcuk | Blue Arm Of Death! |
| 22:45.27 | pupnik | hah |
| 22:45.51 | lcuk | you would need the control electronics somewhere for continuous refresh |
| 22:46.18 | lcuk | the mods they are discussing have to be going getting it changed by swiping some kind of wand or plate over |
| 22:46.19 | jott | lcuk: there is plenty of space in our bodies |
| 22:46.40 | Navi | especially with people that have a lot of surface area. |
| 22:46.59 | lardman | I thought that eInk stuff didn't need to be refreshed |
| 22:47.01 | lcuk | if you have a larger surface area you just put more regular tatoos |
| 22:47.11 | lcuk | if you run out of space, just eat a few more cheezeburgers |
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| 22:47.21 | Navi | lol |
| 22:47.26 | lcuk | lardman, it doesnt unless you want to change it |
| 22:47.33 | pupnik | "i'm not fat, just hi-res" |
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| 22:48.06 | lcuk | heh, and if you ever lose weight, you would hope your tatoos would reduce to a higher dpi |
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| 22:48.20 | lcuk | unfortunately they just end up stretching |
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| 22:49.18 | lcuk | whos seen this btw: http://gizmodo.com/386007/r2+d2-projector-in-action-video-verdict-a-must-have |
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| 22:49.38 | cyberholic | Good evening everyone :) |
| 22:49.49 | term-sig | not me, i`m blind mate. |
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| 22:49.51 | term-sig | ;) |
| 22:50.16 | cyberholic | I am working on a PIM that gets its data from an online API - wich one would you say is the most used one? |
| 22:50.25 | lcuk | well that just puts an end to another damn fine plan. |
| 22:51.10 | cyberholic | Or in other ways: what would you consider as the best solution to save your contacts online? |
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| 22:52.02 | lcuk | my contacts want to be with me - why would i consider keeping them online? |
| 22:52.23 | lardman | wonders why the DSP is complaining about a buffer 0x25800 in length when it's actually 768000 bytes long |
| 22:53.12 | cyberholic | lcuk: i was astonished about plaxo.com - keeping your contacts always synced. this way you would always have the latest and correc contact. For example: if one of your friends changes his/her phone number, you do not have to enter it, it happens automaticly. |
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| 22:53.47 | lcuk | huh? so other people can fuck around with my contact list? |
| 22:54.01 | cyberholic | well, just if they change their number. |
| 22:54.26 | lcuk | if i make a contact for someone and link them to a specific picture and ringtone (mother in law - death march - dragon etc) |
| 22:54.32 | cyberholic | imagine that someone changes his work-address. instead of you having to enter the new one, the system automaticly updates it. |
| 22:54.34 | lcuk | i dont want them to know |
| 22:55.01 | elb | I don't know anything about this system, but that's not at all what cyberholic is suggesting |
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| 22:55.23 | lcuk | lardman, is it possible that you are breaking outside the 768k window by starting to write somewhere near the end? |
| 22:55.50 | cyberholic | lcuk: lol. it's not about the content that you order it to, it is about the content itself. You do not need to change a number as the owner by changing his contact ID offers you the new number. |
| 22:56.03 | lardman | lcuk: this is the loader complaining that there's something wrong with the task (which works on the N800 curiously) |
| 22:56.27 | lardman | lcuk: omapdsp: illegal mmap buffer address(0xe0210000) or length(0x25800). It needs to be page-aligned and located at external memory. |
| 22:57.01 | lcuk | the thing is, something like that contact system requires that everyone must also use the same service. at present most dont |
| 22:57.55 | lcuk | lardman, this is on 770 then? did they change the page size and stuff |
| 22:58.07 | cyberholic | lcuk: well, that is why plaxo.com WAS so great: they brought all your contacts together at one place. They have a great sync tool, but now they jumped on the social-networking train and try to beat facebook. In my opinion this is going to break their necks! |
| 22:58.41 | lardman | lcuk: looks like something is different; will have to trawl the kernel code again. I don't like the way the size is wrong though |
| 22:58.44 | lcuk | i remember when i used to have messenger my contacts in outlook would update when people updated their messenger details |
| 22:59.03 | cyberholic | luck: thats the point! |
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| 22:59.19 | lcuk | yer but that was contacts that i spoke to |
| 22:59.39 | lopz | hola |
| 22:59.40 | cyberholic | at the moment i am trying out so many APIs that i might even think about using the microsoft LIVE one *sigh* .... |
| 22:59.49 | cyberholic | lopz: buenas! |
| 23:00.16 | jott | cyberholic: or do some nice aggregation and join all major sources |
| 23:00.19 | lopz | hey cyberholic ¿Cómo estás? |
| 23:00.39 | cyberholic | jott: that is exactly what i am doing! I am working on a full 800x480 PIM :) |
| 23:00.59 | cyberholic | lopz: solo hablo un puouco espanol. So please try to speak english, so that others also understand! |
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| 23:01.22 | lopz | hey cyberholic ¿How are you? |
| 23:01.23 | lardman | night all |
| 23:01.23 | lopz | xD |
| 23:01.29 | cyberholic | :) |
| 23:01.35 | jldiaz | hi/hola |
| 23:01.42 | jldiaz | another spanish speaker here |
| 23:01.52 | lopz | jldiaz, you speak spanish ? |
| 23:01.58 | jldiaz | I'm spanish :-) |
| 23:02.12 | lopz | spanish |
| 23:02.21 | felipec | yo tmb |
| 23:02.24 | cyberholic | i'm portuguese. |
| 23:02.50 | jldiaz | from portuguese I only remember the word for ham :-) |
| 23:03.01 | jldiaz | because in spanish it has a completly different meaning |
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| 23:03.33 | JasonWoof | why does my bluetooth keyboard lag? |
| 23:03.41 | cyberholic | if i won't find anything that fits, i might build an address-book Mojo for the Mojocafe.net *gg*.... how much sql database space would i need to save all the contacts taht you people know? 200 terrabytes? lol. |
| 23:04.38 | jldiaz | I'm still playing with x2x and the NIT |
| 23:04.52 | cyberholic | what is x2x? |
| 23:05.02 | jldiaz | It is an X-window application |
| 23:05.13 | cyberholic | any screenshots somewhere? |
| 23:05.20 | jldiaz | which can capture all X-window input events in a machine and send it to another one |
| 23:05.26 | jldiaz | no screenshot is possible, actually |
| 23:05.26 | cyberholic | ah ok. |
| 23:05.49 | jldiaz | it does not shows up anything, but it allows for a strange application |
| 23:06.06 | jldiaz | I can use my NIT to control the mouse of my PC |
| 23:06.11 | jldiaz | kinda digitizer tablet |
| 23:06.57 | jldiaz | even without installing x2x in the NIT (besides, it is not ported to maemo afik) |
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| 23:08.18 | jldiaz | anyone knows how the pressure information of the nit touchscreen is reported to applications? |
| 23:08.30 | jldiaz | it is part of X-window standard, or a particular extension? |
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| 23:08.44 | atlas95 | hello |
| 23:08.46 | jldiaz | I'm unable to find documentation on the matter |
| 23:08.52 | jldiaz | hi atlas95 |
| 23:09.08 | atlas95 | I search how to sync my maemo eds contact and my ubuntu evolution contact |
| 23:09.11 | atlas95 | is it possible? |
| 23:09.18 | atlas95 | hello jldiaz |
| 23:09.48 | lcuk | jldiaz, its an extension |
| 23:10.35 | term-sig | anyone using openbox or other wm? |
| 23:10.37 | lcuk | http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData |
| 23:10.50 | lcuk | <X11/extensions/Xsp.h> |
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| 23:14.19 | jldiaz | thankyou lcuk |
| 23:16.02 | jldiaz | can it be faked through Xtst? |
| 23:16.17 | lcuk | i dont know, i just use it as described there |
| 23:16.25 | cyberholic | lcuk: can you tell me where and how the contacts data is saved on my device? |
| 23:16.57 | lcuk | that would depend upon which program you were using cyberholic. as it stands i dont have any so couldnt locate them |
| 23:17.03 | jldiaz | I'm interested in capturing the mouse position and pressure in the n810 and send it to a desktop PC, where it can be used by applications such as the gimp |
| 23:17.24 | jldiaz | in order to use the n810 as a digitizer |
| 23:17.29 | jldiaz | I'll do some research |
| 23:17.29 | cyberholic | thnx my friend! |
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| 23:18.05 | JasonWoof | jldiaz: let me know if you figure it out! |
| 23:18.26 | lcuk | jldiaz, what would you display on the tablet itself? |
| 23:18.34 | lcuk | the gimp rendered display? |
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| 23:18.55 | jldiaz | this is a good point |
| 23:19.10 | jldiaz | initially, the tablet screen would be blank |
| 23:19.19 | jldiaz | otherwise it would be a kind of vnc |
| 23:19.29 | lcuk | you could certainly setup some kind of custom app and actually draw onto the proper omap canvass |
| 23:19.42 | KotCzarny | 'canvas |
| 23:19.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:20.03 | dick-richardson | where's the default homepage on the device? |
| 23:20.10 | jldiaz | I'm thinking of a version of x2x which carries out the pressure information |
| 23:20.11 | lcuk | tell ppl to get a cheap $15 tablet if thats all they need, otherwise have a look at the painting apps currently on the device |
| 23:20.24 | lcuk | :D kot |
| 23:20.51 | lcuk | snorted |
| 23:20.54 | fireun | ok, I'm back - my 770s wont connect at home, but work at the local cafe - the wifi browser doesnt find APs but kismet does. I've installed wireless-tools and using iwlist wlan0 scan - I get "Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument" |
| 23:21.20 | fireun | any ideas? |
| 23:22.01 | fireun | I've read on the tableteer forums that there might be a problem with the 770/maemo and 802.11n nodes, scrambles the 770s wifi card or somesuch |
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| 23:22.21 | fireun | sits back to wait |
| 23:22.23 | jenjen | hey nigs |
| 23:22.25 | jenjen | im bored |
| 23:22.40 | jldiaz | how many pressure levels does the tablet report? |
| 23:22.51 | jenjen | 2 |
| 23:23.06 | |thunde1 | My n800 will no longer mount a ext2 formtd sdhc card. Wtf?? |
| 23:23.07 | KotCzarny | i think ~512 |
| 23:23.23 | lcuk | errr a value between about 800 (light touch) to about 100 for heavy (maybe even lower for terminal pressure) |
| 23:23.27 | KotCzarny | or 256 but with offset |
| 23:23.33 | jenjen | yeah i forgot the 5 and 1 |
| 23:23.50 | jldiaz | wow.. |
| 23:24.00 | KotCzarny | but usually less |
| 23:24.08 | KotCzarny | and uneven |
| 23:24.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:25.55 | lcuk | actually, it is less - minimun normal pressure is about 500 if my notes are right |
| 23:26.07 | lcuk | was sure he had another set |
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| 23:28.27 | lcuk | if i want to list the lines found inside all files in a folder do i use grep |
| 23:28.43 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 23:28.50 | dick-richardson | where's the default homepage on the device? |
| 23:29.03 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:29.04 | lcuk | its ok i found the line i wanted |
| 23:29.05 | lcuk | / mouse pressure ranges 97 hardest, 803 lightest |
| 23:29.06 | KotCzarny | @lcuk |
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| 23:32.50 | lcuk | http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20071018-The_Muppet_Show_Cake |
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| 23:34.14 | KotCzarny | swiss chief rulez |
| 23:34.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.22 | lcuk | chef* |
| 23:34.28 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:34.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.49 | lcuk | that cake is so well done |
| 23:35.14 | KotCzarny | agrees |
| 23:35.28 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it's edible |
| 23:35.44 | lcuk | i doubt i could eat it |
| 23:35.58 | lcuk | though i would get some kind of sick pleasure from munching on miss piggy |
| 23:36.05 | lcuk | i wonder if she tastes of bacon |
| 23:36.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:36.14 | KotCzarny | peeking under the dress? |
| 23:37.04 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:37.16 | lcuk | you could just snap off kermits arm |
| 23:37.28 | jldiaz | KotCzarny, I discovered that the x2x experiment can involve up to three computers |
| 23:37.56 | jldiaz | today I ran x2x on my office desktop, and it got the input from the nokia, and send these events to my home PC |
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| 23:38.29 | jldiaz | all this complexity is needed because I cannot install x2x on my home pc |
| 23:38.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:38.37 | jldiaz | nor in the nokia |
| 23:38.46 | jldiaz | but I want to control my home pc from the nokia |
| 23:38.59 | jldiaz | so I use my office PC as intermediate :-) |
| 23:39.19 | KotCzarny | i think anything is doable, with enough tinkering |
| 23:39.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:39.58 | jldiaz | the amazing in this case is that not much tinkering was required :) |
| 23:40.20 | jldiaz | I run at the home PC the command: ssh -X officePC |
| 23:40.46 | jldiaz | (this creates the DISPLAY :11 in the officePC, which is connected to my home display :0) |
| 23:41.01 | jldiaz | and then I run in the nokia the command: ssh -X officePC x2x -to :11 |
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| 23:41.30 | jldiaz | that's all |
| 23:41.50 | KotCzarny | get your scratchbox running and just compile x2x for armel |
| 23:41.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:41.58 | jldiaz | XD |
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| 23:43.07 | jldiaz | it is more fun this way |
| 23:44.02 | KotCzarny | but with x2x on device you can start it directly |
| 23:44.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
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