IRC log for #maemo on 20080501

00:00.07johnxah, take out the line with "unreleased"
00:00.09penguinbaitis yours working?
00:00.10NullM0demIv'e read the developers tutorial... i have no problems diving into the sources
00:00.19johnxyou should have just deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main
00:01.51penguinbaitstill 404
00:02.03penguinbaityes I am connected to the internet :)
00:02.38johnxhmm, fun
00:03.04johnxmaybe try a country code debian mirror: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian or similar
00:04.02penguinbaitlooking much better
00:04.05penguinbaitthanks
00:06.21johnxcool
00:07.44penguinbaitopening kpackage again, seeing if its gonna core dump again
00:08.14johnxah, is this still from your KDE install?
00:08.41penguinbaityes
00:08.53penguinbait83MB swap and climbing
00:09.16johnxmaybe it's worth me doing a clean KDE install from Debian as a sanity check
00:09.55penguinbaitI am just playing
00:10.09johnxstill, I want to see KDE on my tablet. :)
00:10.20johnxespecially for konqueror
00:10.23penguinbait133mb swap and climbing, becoming unresponsive
00:10.37Robot101elb: btw, nice blog post
00:10.38KotCzarnyfire the torpedoes!
00:10.39penguinbaitKonq is working great
00:11.03penguinbait150
00:11.30penguinbaittakes about a minute to press up arrow, and enter to see free in xterm
00:11.33penguinbaitits dying
00:11.50KotCzarnyoom-killer should finish it
00:12.11penguinbait165
00:13.05NullM0demwow thats some latency there buddy
00:13.59NullM0demthere must be a way to optimize it
00:16.19penguinbaitclock is still working
00:16.30penguinbaitI think that may be it though :)
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00:22.06penguinbait200MB
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00:27.49NullM0dempenguinbait: you trimmed kde down to 200megs?
00:28.06penguinbaitno
00:28.20penguinbaitthe bzip is about 310
00:28.22penguinbaitmb
00:28.28NullM0demah
00:28.29penguinbaitits about 1.1GB
00:28.40NullM0demyes, its huge
00:28.45penguinbaitits not just KDE though
00:28.58NullM0demkoffice as well?
00:29.04penguinbaitghostscript, cups, samba, koffice
00:29.25penguinbaitand many others
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00:30.05NullM0demthe goods...   I like kde's central documentation setup
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00:31.29penguinbait211MB but package tree is building, about 20%, I think its gonna finish
00:31.39penguinbaitin about another hour
00:31.43penguinbaitNETSPLAT
00:33.54elbRobot101: which one, Giving Back?
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00:34.23KotCzarnywrong chan?
00:34.49Robot101elb: yes
00:35.01elbRobot101: thanks
00:35.22elbI thought it was pretty reasonable and collected
00:35.33elbI got at least two pieces of hate mail over it, though ;-)
00:35.37Robot101elb: pretty reminiscent of http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html
00:35.53Robot101elb: gah... its a shame this has turned into such a debacle.
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00:38.27elbRobot101: yeah
00:38.43elbour position is completely misrepresented at pretty much every turn
00:39.08elb(note that my blog post even says, flat out, that if this turns out to be the wrong idea, we'll abandon it, for example)
00:39.19johnxthis is about pidgin? yeah, slashdot put the typical /. spin on it, too...
00:39.22elbbut our voices really aren't heard, so ...
00:40.11penguinbaitit sounds like the government :)
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00:41.26KotCzarny*splat*
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00:41.34penguinbaitsorry, I mentioned the government :(
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00:42.03NullM0demhaha
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00:43.00penguinbaitfudge monkeys
00:43.14NullM0demI had a crazy synchronicity a few years back, everytime i  said microsoft sucks i would get bounced of yahoo messenger, It happend 5 times in a row... turns out the cable company was doing line work :-P
00:43.41KotCzarny:)
00:44.01penguinbait215MB swap, 99%complete - REBOOTED
00:44.12KotCzarnylol
00:44.14KotCzarnyfun killer
00:44.15KotCzarny;)
00:44.46NullM0dem20 minutes till i unbox :-D
00:45.06penguinbaitNull, do you currently have a device?
00:45.10NullM0demshould i run 32 bit linux to flash an updated OS
00:45.11NullM0demno
00:45.15KotCzarny..and spot that it's missing
00:45.21NullM0demonly scratchbox
00:45.41woodwizzlecan VNC not forward 3d accelerated apps?
00:45.45penguinbaityou will enjoy it, I am sure
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00:46.26penguinbaitnull, you can flash with linux 32bit or windows
00:46.39NullM0demI have been waiting for a capable tablet pc for many years, i was always let down by the palms / ipaqs
00:46.56NullM0demok, i run 64 currently
00:46.56KotCzarnynm: well, define 'capable'
00:46.58KotCzarny:)
00:47.15NullM0demsimply just a way to read ebooks and surf
00:47.16penguinbaitI was eying zaurus and ipaq for a while
00:47.21KotCzarny:)
00:47.23johnxisn't there a staticly linked flasher?
00:47.32NullM0demi have 3 ipaqs, they collect dust
00:47.37penguinbaityes,
00:47.40NullM0dem3900 series
00:48.12johnxdevices without hardware keyboards or *really good* onscreen keyboards are hard to love
00:48.33KotCzarnydepends on use
00:48.34KotCzarny:)
00:48.44penguinbaitdepends on definition
00:48.54NullM0demthe ipaqs serve as a decent universal remote thats about it
00:49.16johnxNullM0dem, have you tried Linux on them? or is the 3900 not supported well?
00:49.28penguinbaitmatchbox keyboard in nokia hildon works great, matchbox keyboard in Debian build makes me want to throw my n800 at the wall
00:49.33penguinbaitno offense :)
00:49.45NullM0demthey run linux very well, im cheap and wont buyt the serial cable
00:49.51penguinbaithehe
00:50.07NullM0demI used matcbox on my thinkpad 600e for a while, a few years back
00:50.10penguinbaitsend me an ipaq, I will buy one :)
00:50.14NullM0dem400mhz pii
00:50.15NullM0demsure
00:50.19penguinbaitwhy?
00:50.19NullM0demthey need batts
00:50.25johnxnone taken
00:50.28johnxit's a huge PITA
00:50.48penguinbaitjohnx, it does work better under my kde version
00:51.01NullM0dempenquinbait: they need battery's, i would let one go
00:51.05johnxthe nice big onscreen Nokia thumboard is closed source for some reason
00:51.14penguinbaitit shrinks the size of konsole when turned on, and resizes when turned off
00:51.42penguinbaitI never used the thumb board
00:51.47penguinbaitnever ever
00:52.12johnxI rarely use the small osk
00:52.34penguinbaitI always use that one on my n800
00:52.52Zieglerback... anyone aware of some documentation to get usb-control working with a USB keyboard and the n810?
00:53.16penguinbaitis it morning already?
00:53.44johnxZiegler, is the usb keyboard not getting enough power perhaps?
00:54.14Zieglerah.. yeah that could be
00:54.17johnxthe basic documentation is: install usb-control, run it, click host, type things
00:55.10Zieglerhow much current is the n810 capable of providing?
00:55.23johnx100mA I think
00:55.31johnxor was it 200mA?
00:55.49penguinbaitI would think enough for a keyboard
00:56.00NullM0demIll be back later, going to unbox :-D  penguinbait: i will definatly send you an ipaq if you are serious.
00:56.28penguinbaitbatter huh
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00:56.45penguinbaithave fun
00:56.51johnxit depends on the keyboard. I believe some people even had keyboards that work but fail or crash their n8x0 when they hit more than a few keys at once
00:57.12Zieglerhmm
00:57.31johnxif you could pastebin the messages from dmesg right after you plug it in and switch to host mode, that would help
00:57.35NullM0demsounds like a software issue
00:58.00Zieglercoming right up ;-)
00:58.19Zieglerhttp://pastebin.ca/1003338
00:58.25Zieglerthis was from earlier
00:58.36Zieglerlook down near the bottom
00:58.51Zieglerbtw... what is EAC mode?
01:04.00johnxwell, ok, I have no real idea
01:04.05Zieglerlol
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01:04.18johnxCan you try anything else?
01:04.18Zieglercool
01:04.22Zieglermouse?
01:04.27Zieglerone sec....
01:04.34johnxhmm...nothing will happen with the mouse
01:04.41johnxdo you have a flash drive?
01:04.54Ziegleryeah... let me grab it
01:07.41Zieglerok... whats supposed to happen?
01:08.05johnxit's supposed to mount automagically
01:08.33johnxshould work with fat16/32, and ext2/3
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01:13.22Zieglerjohnx: you here?
01:13.22KotCzarnywho splatted the net again?
01:13.22johnxis here
01:13.23johnxdid I miss something during the split?
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01:14.15Zieglerjohnx: plugged in the usb flah
01:14.15Zieglerflash
01:14.33Zieglernothing
01:15.00johnxhmm, you tried tapping host in usbcontrol again?
01:15.06Ziegleryeah
01:15.11Zieglerwhat is supposed to happen?
01:15.44johnxit's supposed to popup a little message box telling you it detected something, then mount the drive and bring up the file manager
01:16.05johnxif it gets an unsupported device it should at least say "unsupported"
01:16.16Ziegleryeah... nothing
01:16.26johnxthough I have had a usb flash drive that takes too much power to work
01:16.34NaviLol
01:16.35Zieglerhehe
01:16.40johnxI assumed that it was rare and poorly designed (hence why it was on sale)
01:16.55Navi2GB flash drives are so cheap now
01:16.59Zieglerimation 1gb
01:17.03ds3maybe it uses an oven to minimize flash write times? ;)
01:17.11ds3(or is that a fridge?)
01:17.18johnxthey weren't as cheap a couple years ago when I was trying to use this with my zaurus
01:17.38NaviI bought a 512MB drive for like, 70 bucks a couple of years ago
01:17.51Ziegleranyone know what EAC mode listed in dmseg is?
01:18.00johnxsomething about sound I would assume
01:18.16Zieglerah
01:18.20Zieglerthat maxes sence
01:18.25Zieglersense
01:18.36Ziegler(I just cant type)
01:18.56t_s_ohmm, it seems i have trouble with autenticating (or something like that) package from extra recently...
01:19.59penguinbaitsense you retype?
01:20.18Zieglermakes*
01:20.36penguinbaithehe
01:20.40Ziegler;P
01:21.04Zieglerthats what happens when I try to read and type all at once
01:21.55penguinbaityeah yeah, just keep your eyes on the road!!
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01:31.14Naviheh
01:31.21Ziegler:)
01:32.43johnx|zaurusback laterish
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02:58.05adam_anyone has an opinion on some of the different fm transmitters that are compatible with the n800 series
02:58.32adam_im looking for something that has usb connection and 12v plug in
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03:18.44christefanoadam_: I'm interested in that, too
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03:20.47christefanoright
03:28.57l7hmm
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03:36.38tank-manfm transmitters suck
03:37.09elbI have a Philips of some sort ... its audio quality is fair at best
03:37.11christefanoI'm going to need one for the car radio.
03:37.24tank-manuse a cassette adaptor if you can
03:37.41christefanothis radio doesn't have a cassette player :(
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04:19.02Navijohnx, what's going to be in the next debian release?
04:19.33johnxmy goals are rotation support, xfce for the desktop and working n810/usb keyboard support
04:19.44johnxsomething else you want me to work on?
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04:20.03johnx(given that I don't want to hold the next release up for sound support)
04:20.25NaviThat's good.
04:21.15NaviKeyboard would be the biggest thing
04:21.35johnxah, and last thing: kernel messages during boot!
04:21.50johnxpeople will be able to see what failed. it will be revolutionary
04:22.09NaviWoo
04:22.22timelyxjohnx: eh?
04:22.39timelyxpeople will be able to pull out their magnifying glasses and see text for a split second?
04:23.00johnxmore like 45 seconds with the current debian boot speed
04:23.04johnxbut yeah
04:23.17timelyxyou guys and your revolutions
04:23.19johnxalso, some people have run into problems and have no good way to debug them
04:23.29timelyxproblems w/ what?
04:23.47johnxdebian booting. the problem is I don't know what their problems are :)
04:23.47timelyxitos/maemo support sysklogd if you want to install it
04:24.11timelyxand what's wrong w/ dmesg/
04:24.40johnxand so does debian, but sometimes the errors happen early in boot and keep them from ever getting to a point where syslogd starts or they can even get a shell
04:26.05johnxanyways, as long as they're going to install a whole other geeky distribution it might as well live up to their expectations of geekiness by scrolling boot messages at them
04:26.14timelyxheh
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04:31.11Navijohnx, if we're going the geeky path, make dwm the default wm
04:31.12Navi:D
04:31.38johnxhey if I go that far it might as well be twm
04:31.44johnxdon't tempt me :P
04:31.44Navihehe
04:31.50NaviDo eet
04:32.38johnxthat would be kind of awesome to have an all text bootup and just drop off users in twm with an xterm and a little on screen keyboard
04:32.52Naviindeed
04:33.02johnx"yay! now you have debian! why did you want it again?"
04:33.21n800ndoes screen rotation need flashing?
04:34.19n800n[o.t.]
04:34.24johnxnot a whole flash. you just need to flash the kernel
04:34.32timelyxis that DebianWindowManager?
04:34.39johnxso rootfs and initfs stays
04:35.02n800nah
04:35.41n800ni cloned the os to a caed so i'd have more room for appa
04:35.50n800napps
04:36.32n800nnow i'm afraid to touch cause that took me a few hours
04:36.38n800nbut i really want the rotation
04:37.59KotCzarnywhat for?
04:41.03n800nonlineness
04:42.02timelyx??
04:42.02n800nhave you tried it ?
04:42.07KotCzarnyyes
04:42.10KotCzarnyit's fun
04:42.27KotCzarnysome apps have quirks, but overall useful
04:44.52johnxn800n, just rsync a copy of your card somewhere before you install it
04:45.00johnxthat's the beauty of boot from sd :)
04:45.12n800nyeah
04:45.18KotCzarnyor just clone the cloned partition
04:45.19KotCzarny:)
04:45.31n800nit's also faster
04:46.06n800ni wish i would have an even bigger partition for the os tho
04:46.23johnxwhy not just take up the whole card?
04:46.25tank-manwhats stoping you?
04:47.03n800ni followed penguinbait's guide to the letter, a few weeks ago
04:47.29johnxdo you have a linux desktop and a card reader?
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04:47.55tank-manwhen partitioning the disk, use different numbers
04:48.16johnxaaah, the OS partition is partition 2, right?
04:48.24n800nyeah
04:48.38n800nsorry, slow typer with the stylus
04:49.04n800nended up with 2gb for the os
04:49.13n800non a 8gb card
04:49.23WorkingOnWiseis there a way to get the hand writing recognition to behave like the palm grafitti does?
04:50.05n800nyou can train it
04:50.22johnxif you figure out a way to go through 2GB of space I promise to be surprised :)
04:50.48n800n93% is taken up atm
04:50.49WorkingOnWisei guess the biggest thing for me is the way it adds spaces if I space to far apart. If I want a space, I'll do a swipe
04:51.09WorkingOnWisejohnx: KDE will do that easy!
04:51.37johnxisn't it only about 1GB?
04:51.52n800nhm i'm wrong, nm
04:51.53WorkingOnWise1.5,
04:52.06johnxfair enough then
04:52.09WorkingOnWiselol
04:52.47WorkingOnWiseI have an 8GH SDHC just to be sure I dont run out of space. But I do need a 16GB SDHC for vifeos too  :D
04:53.22n800nwe need more slots
04:53.42n800ncould another card be mounted via usb?
04:53.56WorkingOnWisejohnx: is there a way to improve the sound quality of the bluetooth? a2dp or mono, either one...it sounds so bad on bluetooth that I wont even use it....
04:54.41johnxWorkingOnWise, can you hear a difference between a2dp and mono?
04:54.58johnxalso, does it sound different when paired with another computer?
04:55.25WorkingOnWisejohnx: yeah, a2dp is better but still not doing justice conpared to my cell for listening to music
04:55.38WorkingOnWisepaired to my cell it sounds GREAT
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04:56.33WorkingOnWisebluetooth audio in Hardy is still a joke, so I cant pair fully to know how it sounds paired to a PC
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04:56.44johnxdoes it sound more staticky on the N800? or is it that it drops out from time to time
04:56.47tank-mann800n, yea, i connected a usb flash stick
04:57.04johnxWorkingOnWise, bt audio in hardy works for me
04:57.06n800nnice!
04:57.24n800ndoes it need power?
04:57.25WorkingOnWisejohnx: way more staticky. it is a little cleared on a2dp, but dropps more from the cpu use...
04:57.33tank-mannot the one i used
04:57.38johnxunfortunately it was one of the things that *did* work. I'm installing debian now on my pc (ing on my n800)
04:57.39tank-manusb keyboard works too
04:58.04n800npowerless too?
04:58.07johnxWorkingOnWise, and you're positive that it's using a2dp. Does mplayer say reasonable things when it stats up?
04:58.45WorkingOnWisejohnx: I watched the NIT video it came with, stereo sound there
04:58.57tank-manyea, didnt have ot use a powered hub
04:58.57WorkingOnWisewith MPlayer
04:59.28n800nnice, i gotta get a tiny  usb kb then
05:00.18WorkingOnWiseis there any way to improve the quality? It sounds great with headphones plugged in.
05:01.34johnxprobably not until someone else steps up and optimizes bluez-audio stuff and cleans it up (not me :P) or Nokia does
05:02.14johnxit's possible that your headphones want a specific frequency or something, in which case there might be something you can do with alsa for them
05:02.36johnxyou'd have to look at the output of mplayer and see what it says about kind of stuff
05:04.00WorkingOnWiseping
05:04.58GrackleWhen I enable virtual memory in the control panel, shouldn't I see that there is swap when I run 'free'?
05:05.59johnxI think so, yes
05:06.17GrackleI'm not. :/
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05:07.35WorkingOnWiseputer froze on me.....i didne see anything from you johnx after I told you I had stereo sound watching the NIT movie....
05:08.10johnxit's funny, cause I saw your ping
05:08.17WorkingOnWiseyou did?
05:08.24WorkingOnWiseboth?
05:08.48johnxjust one, right before you quit
05:09.11WorkingOnWiseah. My log shows both went thru...I love Charter!
05:09.42johnxanyways, bt audio won't improve unless someone does the work, and that's not me :)
05:10.00johnxMaybe Nokia will surprise us in Diablo
05:10.17WorkingOnWiseso it's a software issue, not hardware?
05:10.29johnxor at that point, maybe someone will finally get fed up with the status-quo and steup up to fix things
05:10.43johnxI think it's software, yes
05:10.48timelyxbt audio support is mostly a series of unimplemented features
05:11.22n800nrumours are the n820 will have a golden, diamond-studded stylus
05:11.22czrhey timelyx :-)
05:11.26WorkingOnWiseI am already surprised. Suprised that it made it out of the dev department with all there half implimented features
05:11.29johnxBTW, WorkingOnWise, you should look through mplayer's output (set to verbose) and see if maybe it's not picking the right rate for your headphones or something
05:12.24johnxthe tablets are thoroughly an experiment at Nokia at this point I think. Maybe that will change and they'll focus more attention on them, but for now...
05:12.26WorkingOnWisejohnx: ok. I'll do that. But that wouldnt explain the poor quality with a2dp turned off would it?
05:12.33timelyxhi czr
05:12.35timelyxyou in town?
05:12.44czrtimelyx, yup. you?
05:12.48timelyxyup
05:12.54czrfood at some point?
05:12.57timelyxmy mac doesn't leave town fwiw,
05:13.03timelyxyeah that could be doable
05:13.06WorkingOnWisethey sure are johnx. Too bad. I cant recommend it to non-geeks at all
05:13.20timelyxfwiw i've started writing the microb-diablo release notes
05:13.41timelyxor rather, collecting the 800ish lines of notes that will become human readable eventually
05:13.46czrtimelyx, cool. although I haven't been working on/with/even close to maemo for some months now :-)
05:13.52johnxcan you tell us anything, or are you teasing us? :P
05:14.12timelyxjohnx: most of what i'm doing is converting changelogs into human readable text
05:14.26johnxright, but the things in those changelogs :)
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05:14.43johnxnew version of gecko? hidden jet pack? that kinda thing
05:14.44timelyxmost of our change logs are public...
05:14.52czrexcept the secret ones!
05:15.04timelyxczr: ok, half of our change logs are publc?
05:15.12johnxah, well I should take a look then :)
05:15.13czrfair nuff :-)
05:15.22timelyxsighs
05:15.32Grackleyay, there we go, virtual memory created
05:15.45czralways assumes the non-public stuff contains something interesting. however, so far it's been mostly as boring as the public stuff :-)
05:16.19timelyxkicks garage
05:16.36timelyxhrm
05:16.44timelyxthere are about 3 useful non public things i can think of
05:16.51timelyxand they're basically entirely new packages
05:17.36czrany idea whether diablo will be out this year? if so, they'll need to name it creatively
05:17.44czrIT2008 + 1/2.
05:17.55timelyxthey already announced the name
05:18.01czroh. what is it?
05:18.03timelyxdidn't you read the wimax edition announcement?
05:18.19czrI've been working on other stuff timelyx :-)
05:18.31timelyxhttp://www.nseries.com/products/n810_wme/index.html
05:18.34czrprotocol design and embedded system bootstrapping..
05:18.34timelyxone of my favorite pages
05:18.38timelyxNokia N810 Internet Tablet <br>WiMAX Edition
05:18.43czrheh
05:18.48timelyxnote the footnotes in VERY LARGE TEXT
05:18.56timelyxbecause they're so VERY IMPORTANT
05:19.02czr"This site requires Flash 8 or higher. Click below to install Flash."
05:19.08timelyxignore that?
05:19.09czrthat's why I probably didn't read the announcement.
05:19.10timelyxuse noscript
05:19.23timelyxoh darn
05:19.28timelyxit isn't in this buggy page
05:19.30timelyxit's in the other one
05:19.44czrthere is another page with bugs? oh my.. :-)
05:20.08timelyxwell, it has to be one or the other...
05:20.28czrnevermind!
05:20.31timelyxhttp://www.nokiausa.com/n810wimax
05:20.38timelyxbe sure to use noscript
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05:20.49timelyxhttp://www.nokiausa.com/A4952190
05:20.52timelyxhas the specifications
05:20.54timelyxignore the bugs
05:21.04timelyxInternet Tablet OS: maemo Linux based OS 2008 feature upgrade
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05:21.18timelyxthat's the name according to that spec page
05:21.33timelyxand it's the marketing page, so it must be right, right?
05:21.42timelyx(ignore the bugs, the page averages one bug per two lines)
05:21.56WorkingOnWisewow. I turned off a2dp and removed it totally, paired my S9 headset to the N800, and made a Skype test call. I have full duplex audio but it cuts so bad theres no way I could make a call with it!. Is this something I'll just have to live with?
05:22.12czryeah, just found the name. it feels.. silly :-)
05:22.30timelyxczr: i thought it was cute :)
05:22.44czrit's like one course that N specced for us some time ago: "C development for Linux developers"
05:22.46johnx_WorkingOnWise, I have no idea, but skype calls over bt work fine for me and the a2dp hack *shouldn't* affect them
05:22.48czrwhich I thought was quite funny.
05:23.06czrobviously we started out by printing out lifesize cardboard figures of the most prominent kernel devs
05:23.18johnx_as opposed to C development for cavemen?
05:23.27czrcoughs
05:23.35WorkingOnWisejohnx_hmmm....your on OS2008, right?
05:23.46czrwell, I'd assume that Linux developers generally don't need a course in C.
05:23.50timelyxjohnx_: C for Symbian Developers
05:23.51johnx_czr, that sounds like an awesome course
05:24.12czrsssshhh timelyx :-)
05:24.15johnx_timelyx, ah, that would make sense
05:24.21johnx_WorkingOnWise, yes
05:24.29czrI think that for 90% of participants that is true actuall
05:24.33czractually even.
05:24.34WorkingOnWiseI'm gonna grab my wifes bt. its the same device, but maybe my paid is fubar
05:24.37johnx_I guess there could be C development for people who aren't developers
05:24.41czrbut I don't train anymore so I could care less :-)
05:24.51timelyxczr: you upgradd?
05:24.52czrC development for project damagers?
05:25.07czrtimeless, upgrade to what?
05:25.11johnx_WorkingOnWise, all bt headsets/headphones can behave differently. My *headphones crash* if I feed them strange data for example
05:25.15timelyxnot doing training?
05:25.27Grackleproject managers c development all the time, and if you're lucky, that's all they do
05:25.43Gracklemakes bad puns and jokes about management
05:25.44czrtimeless, ah. just got fed up with the whole thing. the whole maemo material development thingy really bugged me out. so I'm doing other stuff now. real stuff.
05:26.07WorkingOnWiseGrackle: no such thing is there?
05:26.15WorkingOnWiseas bad puns....
05:26.34GrackleMost people would say the opposite :P
05:26.40Grackle"all puns are bad puns"
05:27.48czrthere are rather good ones in monty pythons though
05:28.02Gracklehehe
05:28.14czrbeen rewatching all their production of late
05:28.30czrmy neighbours must think I've gone over the edge.
05:29.31timelyxheh
05:30.07timelyxjohnx: btw, i just read;
05:30.08timelyxBrowser powered by Mozilla with state-of-the-art web standard support including AJAX
05:30.22timelyxso i can announce we support "including AJAX"
05:30.45johnx_the dish soap? or the Greek?
05:30.52timelyxthe soap
05:30.56johnx_rawk!
05:31.47czrhaving AJAX built in sounds useful though. to get all that marketing droid dirt out of the pages?
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05:33.28johnx_:P
05:37.13n800nkicks steve jobs in the nuts
05:37.22czrfeels the sudden upspike of greed arriving. means time to do some invoices.
05:37.36timelyxhttps://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/changelog
05:37.37czrn800n, you're not scared of all the apple-fanboys of kicking you back? :-)
05:37.53johnx_ah, thanks timelyx
05:38.04n800nthey're all flamy
05:38.46n800nthey'd be scared by my clashing clothing
05:39.12czrn800n, you clash with your clothes?
05:39.32n800ni don't know...
05:39.37czr"NB#83424 mages are scaled but not displayed in full resoluti"
05:39.49czrtimelyx, didn't know that there is now a D&D emulator in as well ;-)
05:39.49Gracklehe only clashes when he's wearing his clashing clothes
05:40.02Gracklelol
05:40.28n800nalrighty
05:40.48czrtimelyx, sounds like you've been having fun :-)
05:41.57Gracklewhee for having a 1GB mmc
05:41.58timelyxbeen? no. will be? yeah, about a month of joy
05:42.04n800nthe page flipping in leopard is pretty slick
05:42.07GrackleI would like a larger one, but this is still a nice improvement.
05:42.31n800nn800 should have it too
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05:43.21n800n2*8gb + 16gb here ;)
05:43.37Gracklenice
05:43.47GrackleWhat's the 16GB one, a USB device?
05:43.59KotCzarnysd
05:44.06KotCzarny:)
05:44.28Grackleoh, what, you have a spare one?
05:44.43n800nsort of
05:45.10n800ni look at it as part 2 oh the first 8gb sd
05:45.12GrackleOr is KotCzarny pulling my leg
05:45.56GrackleOh, two 16GB SD cards, one of which is split up into two 8GB partitions?
05:47.28n800nhehe no, sorry to cinfuse you
05:47.33n800n3 cards
05:47.42n800none is spare
05:47.56Grackleokay :P
05:48.15GrackleHeh, my spare is a 32MB card. >.>;
05:48.34KotCzarnyhas 16mb mmc somewhere
05:49.01n800nthey got so cheap
05:49.55n800n2 gb around 15 bucks
05:50.44Gracklewow, really?
05:50.51GrackleI guess I could go out and buy a couple.
05:51.21KotCzarnyor one bigger?
05:51.36czrbigger is always better
05:51.46n800n4 gb is decent also
05:51.46KotCzarnyunless it's a rash
05:51.48KotCzarny;)
05:52.00n800n40 bucks i think
05:52.02czrKotCzarny, touche! but I guess there are people around there who like large rashes too!
05:52.20KotCzarnythere are people that eat poop
05:52.32KotCzarnyso it doesn't prove anything
05:52.34KotCzarny:)
05:52.45czryou mean like real poop or you mean "buy broken devices from the same vendor all over and over"? ;-)
05:52.58KotCzarnyi mean people are strange :)
05:53.13czryou mean like .. never mind :-)
05:53.35KotCzarnyok
05:53.35czrcomes from a long line of strange people
05:53.38KotCzarnytime for breakfast
05:54.50KotCzarny5x2gb sd for 30$
05:54.51KotCzarnyheh
05:54.57GrackleI wonder if I could set up scratchbox as a distcc node.
05:55.06KotCzarny3$ per gig :>
05:55.19n800ninsane
05:55.28KotCzarnysecond hand of course
05:55.41GrackleThat would be nice. Set stuff up to compile from the N800, using my 3GHz C2D as the actual muscle to do it.
05:55.53GrackleWaiting for things to compile on the N800 really brings me back. :P
05:56.04KotCzarnygrackle: you compile on n800 ? o.o
05:56.08n800nwhen i got the 2 8gb ones i think i spaced out for a minute thinking of floppies
05:56.20czrfloppies <3
05:56.37KotCzarnygrackle: you don't like scratchbox ? :)
05:56.45GrackleSome things, KotCzarny. I will probably get sick of it soon, but it's so cool that I can do it!
05:57.14KotCzarnyif you setup distcc correctly you can use scratchbox as a slave i think
05:57.15KotCzarny:)
05:57.19GrackleScratchbox is okay, but it requires starting my virtual machine and doing all the networking stuff to move files onto the n800.
05:57.29Grackleyeah, I think that ought to be doable
05:57.35KotCzarnywhat virtual machine?
05:57.36KotCzarny;)
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05:58.19GrackleI can't get scratchbox set up in ubuntu. I'm sure it's possible, but I already had a project to work on, and I didn't want "setting up dev tools" to be its own project.
05:58.32czrthe vdso-thingy?
05:59.20GrackleI want to use my n800 as a pocket-sized ham radio computer. That would be fun.
05:59.31czrespecially at breakfast time
05:59.39czror if you're trekking in the woods/mountains.
05:59.46czrit's good to have some ham in a pocket size version
05:59.49Grackleyeah
05:59.55KotCzarnycrank powered
06:00.13GrackleAn N810 might be better, really, because it has a built-in GPS. On the other hand, a lot of people have trouble with it.
06:01.01GracklePocket-sized APRS setup, sort of. N800, bluetooth GPS, and handheld radio.
06:01.34Gracklewoo, tk compiled
06:01.50Grackleinstalls
06:02.22GrackleI have a bluetooth keyboard on the way, I wonder if it will arrive tomorrow.
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07:45.43Cptnodegardsooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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07:46.03Cptnodegardif i make a rss with a JPG link as <link> will it work with photocasts on canola?
07:49.30Cptnodegardgaaaaaaaaay
07:49.59cy3o3I'm guessing that's a no?
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07:50.33Cptnodegardmhm
07:50.37cy3o3:/
07:50.37Cptnodegardeither that or it wont read .gif
07:50.48cy3o3Now THAT would be gaaaaaaaaay
07:51.04Cptnodegardi was thinking to get a php script that spits out photocasts for webcomis
07:51.07Cptnodegardcomics*
07:51.51cy3o3That'd be chill
07:51.57cy3o3Is Canola still beta 8?
07:52.08Cptnodegardactually it is that it doesnt do gif
07:52.14Cptnodegardi change the url toa jpg and it works
07:52.26cy3o3looks like yeah, still beta8
07:53.43Cptnodegardif gif dont work, wil png i wonder
07:54.21Cptnodegardpng works. jpg works. gif does not work
07:54.48Cptnodegardhttp://captain-odegard.com/m-rss.xml
07:55.03Cptnodegardthats gay
07:56.31Cptnodegard-_____-
07:56.41Cptnodegardslaps canola around a bit with a sonic screwdriver
07:58.50JaffaMorning, all
07:59.16Cptnodegardgreetings earthling
08:01.54cy3o3sup Jaffa
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08:08.33aquatixmorning all
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08:53.24lardmanmorning all
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10:07.42Cptnodegardmkay
10:07.44Cptnodegardgot it
10:08.16Cptnodegardif anyone is interested, http://home.mtulink.com/~moedegaard/xkcd.php added as canola photo feed will give you the latest xkcd.com comic strip
10:09.03hrwCptnodegard: canola does not support normal rss feed for it?
10:09.31Cptnodegardmine does
10:09.35Cptnodegardas that thing works
10:10.02Cptnodegardadded it and works perectly
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10:18.41Cptnodegardgif images on the other hand it does not like
10:24.06lardmanX-Fade: thanks
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11:17.47Cptnodegardmkay...made it work with gif files by converting the shit
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12:35.23term-siganyone know how get maps like that ? http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is&NR=1
12:48.18pupnikThis CIA rendition program, as long as we have it, should be applied to spammers.
12:48.21pupnikoop wrong channel
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12:51.27dragornterm-sig: that's maemo mapper
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12:52.28hrwsomeone know when maemo mapper will allow to use n810 keyboard for actions?
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13:00.49term-sigdragorn: are u sure? because maemo mapper dont support google earth right?
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13:02.21||cwterm-sig: MM supports pretty much any map url scheme
13:02.37||cwall you gotta do is figure out the url google earth uses
13:03.20term-sigok, then anybody had URI for google earth? i want get results like on that youtube movie..
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13:04.02||cwi don't recall mapper being able to do that stuff though
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13:05.54elbI think that's a video, with appropriately timed stylus movements
13:06.05||cwok, I think that's fake, if it showed menus or the sidebar or something I might believe it, but that runs even smoother than google earth on a high end pc, so no way
13:06.06elbwhen it's moving, toward the end, it's not quite right
13:06.58||cwright, almost like normal stylus lag, but everything else is too smooth
13:08.36elbyeah, I dunno, watching it again it seems possible
13:08.52elbbut ... since there's no 3d rendering support, it's not really possible ;-)
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13:12.52pupnikit might be possible.  here's 800x480 3D voxels at ~25fps http://pupnik.de/pupvox.zip
13:13.32pupniki'm not saying the video IS real
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13:15.39pupnikok 21-22fps
13:19.03dragornah I only watched the beginning of the video
13:19.25dragornhowever maemo mapper does support keyhole tiles
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13:42.51penguinbaitdead!
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13:51.47pupnikhttp://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html  i think more of us could be looking into the Builder for Maemo Extras (buildME)
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14:13.59penguinbaitwhere is hcitool for 2008os?  anyone?
14:14.32term-sigin bluez utils ?
14:14.46penguinbaitnope
14:14.54penguinbaitwierd huh
14:15.10term-sigare u sure?
14:15.38penguinbaitits installed and its not here
14:15.45penguinbaitdo you have it?
14:16.17penguinbaitbtw i am sure of very little
14:17.21term-sigwait, i need check.
14:18.09penguinbaitit does not come in 2008 blues-utils
14:18.22penguinbaithow stupid
14:18.35term-sigbluez-utils-dist
14:18.48penguinbaithmmm
14:19.01term-sigcontains:hciconfig,hcitool,sdptool....
14:19.29penguinbaitdanka
14:19.41term-sigdanka?
14:19.41penguinbait:)
14:19.49penguinbaitthanks
14:20.13term-sigah, what language it's?
14:20.27penguinbaitI think dutch?
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14:21.12aquatixpenguinbait: then it would've been `dank' or `bedankt' :)
14:21.22penguinbaithehe
14:21.26aquatix`danke' is a possibility
14:21.31aquatixbut that's more german
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14:21.55term-sigtrue..
14:22.09||cwa typo for sanka?
14:22.20penguinbaiturban dictionary say, slang for thanks
14:22.31penguinbaitmaybe 8 just made it up?
14:22.46penguinbait8 = I
14:22.53aquatixmaybe :)
14:22.55aquatixis off
14:23.07aquatixsounds jamaican like that :)
14:25.01penguinbaitdanka is a polish female
14:25.03penguinbaithehe
14:26.11penguinbaitthen wayne newton sings "danka shane"
14:26.17penguinbaitsomeone stop me
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14:26.49term-sigpenguinbait: it's more danuta
14:26.55term-sigthen danka ;)
14:27.53penguinbaitkinda sounds like thank you, if you say it right!
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14:32.17zpolhola
14:32.46SDuensinGreetings.
14:34.26term-sigque passa?
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14:36.22qwerty12hi
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14:38.12SDuensinAnyone else having problems installing the SDK on Ubuntu?
14:38.25penguinbaitwhat happened to hcitool --connect
14:38.32qwerty12SDuensin, I was, I ended up reformatting.
14:38.36qwerty12Which version?
14:38.50penguinbaithow do you make connections now?
14:39.01SDuensinUh.  Whatever they call the one for 2008.
14:39.19SDuensinI managed to make it work once, but now I can't get the SDK install script to run.
14:39.27term-sigpenguinbait: this same like before mate..
14:39.29SDuensinis also reinstalling his OS.
14:39.39penguinbaitnope
14:39.50qwerty12SDuensin, for 8.10, nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled.
14:39.52penguinbaitits not,
14:39.55term-sigbollocks
14:40.06qwerty12penguinbait, give me a sec
14:40.07penguinbaithehe
14:40.33SDuensinqwerty12 - Oh, Ubuntu version.  I have 8.04.  It's the Kubuntu Remix CD.
14:40.38penguinbaiti need to just go compile myself like last time
14:40.49term-sigpenguinbait: cc ?
14:40.58qwerty12SDuensin, but I think version is the same.
14:41.05penguinbaityes SD
14:41.19qwerty12s/version/kernel/
14:41.20penguinbaiti am running kubuntu 804
14:41.29penguinbaiterrors right
14:41.33SDuensinSo mind explaining to me what "nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled" means in English?
14:41.43penguinbaithold on
14:42.46penguinbaitecho 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
14:42.53penguinbaitthat fixes it
14:43.07penguinbaitneeds to be run after each reboot
14:43.21qwerty12That will disable it for a one time session. You can use sysctl or kernel line in grub to disable it permanently
14:43.34SDuensinIs that the address randomization stuff?
14:43.42qwerty12penguinbait, for hcitool, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/b/bluez-utils/
14:43.51qwerty12Grab the bluez-utils-test_3.22-0osso2_armel.deb
14:44.11qwerty12According to fanoush, the bluetooth stuff was replaced by DBUS in OS2008.
14:44.35penguinbaityes
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14:47.18penguinbaitwhat happened to hcitool --connect
14:47.37penguinbaitwhat is new connection string?
14:47.40qwerty12I think its "hcitool cc" now afaik
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14:49.26term-sigpenguinbait: 16:37 < term-sig> penguinbait: cc ? ;P
14:49.39qwerty12hehe
14:50.13nougaHi ! how to use vi in os2008 on N800 ? no arrows to move the cursor.
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14:50.24qwerty12The d-pad works
14:50.30qwerty12Make sure you are in insert mode.
14:50.54term-sigand u can ebale insert mode with esc :i
14:50.54term-sig;]
14:51.01term-sigenable*
14:51.17SDuensinvi = Virtually Incomprehensible
14:51.21nougad-pad ? what is it ? I'm new in this toy
14:51.26penguinbaitvi rules
14:51.47term-signouga:  go to nokia webpage for tutorial about u buttons ;)
14:52.11nougathanks ! i'll try
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14:56.40muuhttp://www.elonexone.co.uk/software.html
14:56.50muun8x0 competitor ? ;-)
14:57.30SDuensinDoes the girl come with it?
14:58.10Cptnodegardshe comes as a seperate download
14:58.34lardman~curse Berlin for being expensive
14:58.37infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Berlin for being expensive !
14:58.48SDuensinLooks more like an Eee competitor.
14:59.17lardmanSDuensin: she has no knees though
15:00.32SDuensinFunny - I didn't even notice!
15:02.02SDuensinI like that the keyboard is removable on that ONE.  Very cool.
15:02.42Cptnodegardwtf do you need knees for?
15:02.43Cptnodegardweirdo
15:02.45Cptnodegard:p
15:03.15Cptnodegardi mean I've heard of foot fetishes...but knees
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15:03.54term-sigwhy not? Cptnodegard it's sexy too..
15:03.59Blafasellardman: Why? Linux Tag?
15:04.21lardmanBlafasel: yep
15:04.37BlafaselCptnodegard: Bought that usbgeek USB to Nokia cable, but it somehow didn't work so far (tried it only on my laptop)
15:04.39lardmanCptnodegard: standing up...!
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15:13.05nougaRe HI ! thanks for help in VI, i spend so much time with vim that i forgot this good old VI commands ! now my /etc/netwok/interfaces are OK
15:13.46nougaBY !
15:24.01qwerty12~curse deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors.
15:24.02infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors. !
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15:27.33NaviHeh
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15:28.26qwerty12Someone really needs to upgrade the ~curse function. I know a lot of swear words..., I'll volunteer :p
15:28.46Navi~curse qwerty12
15:28.47infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 !
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15:29.17qwerty12~curse Navi for making it say something different :p
15:29.18infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi for making it say something different :p !
15:29.28CptnodegardBlafasel: weird, mine works fine. use it with a usb battery
15:29.35Navi~curse qwerty12
15:29.36infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 !
15:29.41Navibleh
15:29.42qwerty12~curse Navi
15:29.43infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi !
15:30.00qwerty12infobot, you are like a one track record.
15:30.01infobotqwerty12: what are you talking about?
15:30.20qwerty12infobot, don't worry.
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15:30.26qwerty12I'm sad for having a convo with a bot :/
15:30.53||cwqwerty12: especially since it's not an Alice
15:31.17qwerty12hehe
15:32.37NaviI go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried
15:33.14qwerty12s/I go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried/I sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried
15:33.17qwerty12eew
15:33.17||cwyeah, sleeping with li-on seems like a bad idea
15:33.46NaviHa, I knew that joke was coming
15:34.13NaviBut I toss in my sleep and I'm afraid of tossing it or something :P
15:34.40||cwI'd be more afraid of the battery overheating and exploding
15:35.06||cwbeing wrapped covers (poor cooling) and you maybe pushing buttons
15:35.55NaviI'm not worried about it asploding
15:36.24qwerty12Same here, I leave mine under my pillow because I'm too tired to put it on my bedside table.
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15:51.13BlafaselCptnodegard: Any recommendation for a battery?
15:56.49CptnodegardBlafasel: i got one from proporta.com...works great but expensive
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16:20.06Zic(hi), any infos about port of Ubuntu Mobile to ARM arch by Nokia itself ?
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16:26.00||cwZic: no, but someone does have UM running on I think an n800
16:26.15Zicyes, I saw it on the Planet Maemo, iirc
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16:27.05ZicFor now, I prefer Maemo than UM, but it would be nice to test it on a real touchscreen device
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16:27.37Zic(I use the Moblin Image Creator to test UM …)
16:27.57Zic(to test on a standard computer)
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16:37.04ralannthis is the most badass device i have ever owned
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16:37.59NaviIt's the second most badass device I've ever owned
16:38.36borismwhat are you talking about?
16:38.46ralannust got my n810
16:39.17penguinbathe beowolwe cluster of furby's is up there on the list
16:40.51n800nthanks for the os>card clone guide
16:41.02n800n<3
16:41.22penguinbait?
16:41.28penguinbaitme?
16:41.48n800nif you're the guy that posted it yeah
16:41.53n800nnoob
16:42.09penguinbaitno, i created a deb to to it
16:42.35n800ni did it a few weeks ago, no deb
16:42.44n800nnm then ;)
16:43.31penguinbaituh, I mean your welcome ;)
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16:44.56n800nit was milhouse
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17:27.44qwerty12Is there anyway to get the /dev/dsptask/pcm3 in the ARMEL target w/out me having to resort to testing on my N800 or switching to X86 target? would really help me out.
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17:33.26lcukqwerty12, i was under the impression xephyr emulated arm, the dsp tasks are not specifically arm
17:33.49lcukso - based on my understanding i would say no, you will have to test dsp stuff on device
17:34.00RST38hbtw, can I symbolic-link ~/MyDocs to /media/mmc1/MyDocs?
17:34.38qwerty12lcuk, Ah thanks. I can use X86 target but it is  a pita :). Btw, not to sound like a prick but qemu emulates the arm :)
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17:35.13lcuki thought you could have arm without dsp
17:35.39qwerty12Some games want the /dev/dsptask to be there otherwise they won't run :(
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17:36.06qwerty12I'm playing with ROTT atm, I've got it to run full screen but the controls are extremely bad.
17:36.08lcukevening ssvb :)
17:37.42lcuki do all testing directly on the device anyway. so ive never come across this issue
17:38.53qwerty12I can't be arsed to hook up a USB cable :/, ssh isn't an option for me :(
17:39.09lcukwhats up with ssh?
17:39.13qwerty12notes I have to connect the USB though a lot :(
17:39.42qwerty12lcuk, I won't bore this channel again but basically after entering my password, it stays connecting forever.
17:40.46lcukoooer that doesnt sound healthy, call out a doctor and get him to have a look at your setup :) should only cost you a beer or two
17:41.18qwerty12Hehe, sounds fair enough :)
17:41.35qwerty12just realised I have a headache <.<
17:42.00lcukif you do have someone nearby perhaps they could solve a problem much quicker than tooing and froing.  :) take some pills
17:42.22qwerty12Yeah, I should do (both suggestions), thanks :)
17:42.58qwerty12This is why I hate switching to X86, I need to recompile for ARM.
17:43.35qwerty12Bye.
17:44.08lcuk"You must restart your computer for changes to take effect"
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18:10.47AStormlcuk: dsp tasks are arm, but arm7 or so
18:11.07AStormwith additional specialized operations
18:13.20AStormhmm
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18:13.32AStormmy matchbox entered some undefined state
18:13.47AStormtask list crashed or something
18:14.01AStormhow do I restart that?
18:16.10AStormhmm?
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18:23.51kulvedsp tasks are not "arm". DSPs are separate cpu architecture containing their own instruction set.
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18:24.36AStormeven better
18:24.55AStormso, only wifi is an additional arm then :P
18:25.04AStormwhat abt. IVA?
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18:30.12pH5AStorm: yes, IVA is said to be based on some ARM7 core.
18:30.14pH5are there *any* specifics known about the coprocessors? (IMX, VLCD, and whatever other acronyms appear in the marketing materials)
18:30.35AStormVLCD is the LCD controller
18:30.53AStormso, not too useful for us :P
18:31.15AStormIMX? what's that?
18:31.23lcukwell we know lots about the PVR, just none of it is usableat this point in time
18:31.42pH5no, the variable length encoding/decoding quantization coprocessor
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18:32.01pH5iMX is some SIMD coprocessor for (i)dct
18:32.19AStormheh
18:32.30lcukthe SIMD instructions are built directly onto the standard ARM core arent they
18:32.41AStormnot all of them
18:32.51AStormand not outsourced to another core
18:32.57lcukie directly accessible from "standard" assembler
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18:34.20lcukpH5, i gather the 2430breakdown didnt work out
18:34.47lcukhmmmmaybeineedanewspacebar
18:36.39AStormhehe
18:36.45AStormor new fingers
18:36.50pH5lcuk: or rather nobody tried hard enough yet
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18:42.21penguinbaitI am loving this bluetooth mouse on 810, in KDE of course
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19:03.26NullM0demanyone know of a pdf reader that does auto scroll?
19:04.24lbravobest bluetooth keyboard for an 810?
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19:58.48qwerty12_N800I don't think it's even updated anymore either.
19:58.54Naviway too ugly, IMO
19:58.56Navier
19:59.02Naviway too many gradients, IMO
20:00.25NaviI should make a theme that fits my liking.
20:01.45AlfafaI have a problem connecting to messenger with telepathy-haze(and pidgin for that matter also) on a N810. The problem only occurs when at home behind my netfilter filter firewall(other places with "normal" wireless routers the problem don't occur). I just get a "Network error"...is there some log or something I can look at in maemo?
20:01.55NaviLast update on the trac was two months ago
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20:02.52elbsounds to me like your netfilter firewall is broken
20:02.57elbyou can open the debug window in Pidgin
20:03.37Alfafaelb: ok. I will try the pidgin thing. I don't think my netfilter firewall is broken...I haven't got this problem with a laptop on the same network using pidgin
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20:03.58elbif it works without it ...
20:03.59Alfafaelb: And using exactly the same configuration for the laptop
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20:05.25RST38hBTW, gentlemen, the Google iPhone UI is now available for everybody
20:05.31qwerty12_N800nice
20:05.32Alfafaelb: I also notice that it can be slow generally using the network. Could it be the n810 don't like a strong wireless signal
20:06.29qwerty12_N800has to get off my ass and learn c, python & good bash scripting
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20:07.01RST38hwww.google.com/m/a/google.com
20:07.04RST38henjoy
20:08.04RST38hthe only problem so far is that I can't make it show up in English
20:12.44Navilikes http://www.google.com/m/classic?gl=us better
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20:20.25NaviGah, I can't find any good debian wallpapers :/
20:21.04NaviIt's like all debian users are artistically challenged or something >_>
20:22.07KotCzarnylol
20:22.42n800noffended.
20:23.43qwerty12_N800I'm indirectly mildly offended as im'a ubuntu user.
20:23.51KotCzarnyhas slackware
20:24.01Navishrugs
20:24.21qwerty12_N800has grub
20:24.35qwerty12_N800has gnome
20:24.42qwerty12_N800has firefox
20:24.50KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
20:24.53KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
20:25.14KotCzarnycan i has a potatoeta?
20:25.34qwerty12_N800come on, I thought you slackware users were clever :p
20:25.44KotCzarnyis a cat
20:25.55Naviis slightly offended as he is an ITOS user
20:25.58elbif they were clever, they wouldn't use slackware
20:26.06elb;-)
20:26.08qwerty12_N800hehe
20:26.08KotCzarnywhy?
20:26.08n800nhaha
20:26.10KotCzarnyit's a fine os
20:26.11KotCzarny:)
20:26.20NaviOi, don't diss Slackers.
20:26.24KotCzarnydoes what it has to
20:26.29qwerty12_N800beef!
20:26.32KotCzarnyand gets the hell out of user's way
20:26.33KotCzarny:)
20:26.36elbI quit using it in 1998 or so ... when it became obvious that there were distributions, and then there were piles of tarballs ;-)
20:26.59KotCzarnyyou and your dependency hell
20:27.00KotCzarny;)
20:27.08Navistopped using it a few years ago for ArchLinux
20:27.21elbdependency hell is a very avoidable problem
20:27.26penguinbaitcompile everything
20:27.39elband anyone who claims they don't have it on a non-dependency-tracking distro just doesn't know what they're talking about
20:27.40Naviwoo
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20:27.46Naviheilook, eetz penguinbait
20:27.48elbbecause dependencies still exist ;-)
20:27.54Naviwhen we gunna c teh KDE4 dood?
20:28.05penguinbaitnot from me
20:28.08elbbut anyway, I gave up caring what distro others used about the same time I quit using slack ;-)
20:28.10Naviaw man u sux
20:28.14qwerty12_N800muhahaha
20:28.28KotCzarnyelb: i don't claim that, i can tell on the other hand that slack maintainer chooses what to link and what's not needed
20:28.29KotCzarny:)
20:28.36penguinbait358 is better anyway :)
20:28.50Navinu uh
20:28.50qwerty12_N800penguinbait, seconded
20:28.58penguinbaituh huh
20:29.02Navinu uh
20:29.06NaviAw, screw this
20:29.12qwerty12_N8004 was a buggy pos when i tried it
20:29.36penguinbaitI like a billion options
20:29.46NaviI like dwm
20:29.49penguinbaitkde4 only has a million
20:29.54KotCzarnyi like pancakes
20:30.07penguinbaitblueberry pancakes
20:30.10NaviI've found a bunch of nice debian wallpapers, but none of them match what I want :(
20:30.11penguinbaitmmmmm
20:30.12qwerty12_N800i <3 tux
20:30.18qwerty12_N800eek
20:30.32penguinbaitmake one
20:30.36Navino u
20:30.38KotCzarnyhe can't
20:30.43KotCzarnyhe is a debian user
20:30.44KotCzarny;)
20:30.47NaviHaha
20:30.49penguinbaitI hate debian why would i
20:31.11NaviI'm not a Debian user :P
20:31.24KotCzarnythen it doesn't matter
20:31.30NaviSure it does
20:31.30penguinbaitwhy do you want a debian wallpaper then
20:31.41NaviFor sex appeal, duh.
20:32.01penguinbaitlooking to score with special ed?
20:32.17KotCzarnylol
20:32.26NaviIndeed
20:32.51KotCzarnyhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7373348.stm
20:32.52KotCzarnylol
20:33.00penguinbaitI am running kde on it with zelda mouse cursor theme, no sexier than that
20:33.04penguinbait:)
20:33.44BlafaselScreenshot?
20:33.49penguinbaitI love the little potion bottle for waiting
20:34.11qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, lol? :p. my favourite was when in uk, ikea manager got stabbed. £30 leather sofas...
20:34.21BlafaselReminds me that I still want to install hardy heron (Really, Ubuntu. These names suck) on my eeePC
20:34.34KotCzarnyqwerty: fun
20:34.46qwerty12_N800now i lol
20:34.47penguinbaitcursor not in screenshot :(
20:34.55KotCzarny50-100 witnesses
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20:35.00NaviBlafasel, I've been meaning to install that on my test box
20:35.09NaviI've heard that it's a bad release
20:35.42BlafaselNavi: Heard the same
20:35.44qwerty12_N800it's ok, but nothing to get excited over
20:35.53BlafaselBut I want a badass current distribution on my eeePC ;)
20:36.00NaviI don't get excited over Ubuntu releases :P
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20:36.21KotCzarnydidn't reinstalled for many years
20:36.21qwerty12_N800I dooooo :p.
20:36.31BlafaselI never tried ubuntu until 2 days ago on my desktop machine - and removed it after 10 minutes for OpenSuse again.
20:36.34NaviI'm not a fan of Debian or it's derivatives, but I do try them out so that I can later bash them
20:36.41qwerty12_N800reinstalled 3 days ago
20:36.43BlafaselNavi: ;)
20:37.41n800ni'm kinda excited aboout ubuntu
20:37.58n800nthat windows installer made me curious
20:38.10qwerty12_N800wubi?
20:38.28qwerty12_N800I'd just make a partition.
20:38.37NaviBlafasel, I don't like RPM distros either :P
20:38.42penguinbaithttp://penguinbait.com/kdes.png
20:39.26BlafaselNavi: Neither do I, but OpenSuse is my best "Just works" experience so far and the build service is just great
20:39.30KotCzarnythat's on tablet?
20:39.35qwerty12_N800penguinbait, is that on n8*0?
20:39.35penguinbaityes
20:39.39qwerty12_N800ah
20:39.44penguinbaitI am typing from it
20:39.45NaviI prefer quick setup over "just works"
20:39.50Blafaselpenguinbait: Neat!
20:40.09penguinbaitthats sexy :)
20:40.10BlafaselI'm more a gnome guy, but it looks great
20:40.31Navipenguinbait likes to show off kde :D
20:40.40NaviIt's his tarball'ed child
20:40.56penguinbaithey its a deb now
20:41.00penguinbait:)
20:41.01Navi:)
20:41.08BlafaselWell, the screenshot is cute.. But I'm not sure if I'd replace (even parts of) maemo.
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20:41.27penguinbaitits not replacing anything
20:41.28qwerty12_N800it's not a replacement
20:41.32qwerty12_N800too l8
20:41.34penguinbaitboot to maemo
20:41.43n800nisn't it slower?
20:41.46penguinbaitselect kde from extras menu
20:41.55penguinbaitthan a desktop?
20:41.56BlafaselAh, okay
20:42.44n800noh sweet
20:42.51n800nhow's speed tho?
20:43.24penguinbaitworks good, konqueror is a little slow to start, as is a few apps, but all run good
20:43.52penguinbaiti like kvirc
20:44.07penguinbaitfish is also very handy
20:44.25n800ni'm looking into getting music apps going, maybe that!d be one way
20:45.02qwerty12_N800does konversation run?
20:45.51penguinbaiti have not tried
20:46.04qwerty12_N800ah :)
20:46.32penguinbaitkvirc and smplayer are about the only nonkde base apps I installed
20:46.52qwerty12_N800It's xchat for me on maemo,maybe weechat&bitchx&irssi when I get keyboard.
20:48.36penguinbaitI need to do some trading, i have nokia keyboard I never use
20:48.43penguinbaitnow with 810
20:49.00penguinbaitiblue gps also
20:49.15qwerty12_N800i'd keep the gps :p
20:49.17penguinbait8gb sdhc kingston class 6
20:49.43penguinbaitmaemo mapper works great with internal gps,
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20:49.59penguinbaitit keeps me on the roads, thats all i need
20:51.16penguinbaitI am loving this bluetooth mouse with KDE
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20:55.16n800nsound working ok?
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20:58.27qwerty12_N800actually my favourite thing from pb's port of kde w/out ever using it is the x11vnc from it
20:59.12BlafaselHmm.. I might give that kde thing a try though. Just need a bigger SD card
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21:32.03plb_man...how long does it take for gps on an n810 to fix it's location
21:32.20term-sigages man ;>
21:32.29plb_I'm beginning to see that
21:32.36plb_I let it sit for like half an hour and nothing
21:32.37NaviAnywhere from a minute to forever
21:32.42plb_heh
21:32.45term-sigbuy external one...
21:32.47term-sigor htc
21:32.52KotCzarnyplb: check if you have old gpsd version
21:32.58plb_how?
21:33.08lardmanKotCzarny: shouldn't matter
21:33.17lardmanvote on agps bug
21:33.26KotCzarnylardman: still -23 had some bugs
21:33.32KotCzarnyhmm
21:33.39lardmanyeah, but leap-year bug doesn't matter anymore
21:33.40KotCzarnyi think dpkg -l | grep gps
21:33.47plb_ok
21:33.49KotCzarnyit's not only about leap-year i think
21:34.06qwerty12_N800if you have symbian phone with gps, grab extgps
21:34.08pupnikwasn't that bug discredited?
21:34.12lardmanin any case the fix part is more to do with gpsdriver, nothing to do with gpsd
21:34.18n800npenguinbait: can you run audacity on kde/n800?
21:34.21qwerty12_N800pupnik, yes
21:34.44qwerty12_N800penguinbait went time ago
21:35.00n800nsorry, scrolled up
21:35.41KotCzarnylardman: still, people that moved from -23 to -25 experienced quicker fixes
21:35.58plb_er how do you do a pipe | ?
21:36.08KotCzarnytry shift-\
21:36.20qwerty12_N800n800n, it may be possible to run  in maemo, it's not dependent on kde but no one compiled it
21:36.22lardmanKotCzarny: small sample size, I think it comes down to chance; as much was said on the ITT thread
21:36.40KotCzarnylardman: still, having old version isn't helping
21:36.42KotCzarny:)
21:37.09plb_which is shift key on the 810?
21:37.20lardmanyeah, no harm in upgrading I suppose, as long as the package name doesn't screw things up - which was the problem with that upgrade
21:37.23n800nhm
21:37.41n800nneed more musicians w/n800s
21:37.56pupnikI see it this way: if i'm ever really lost biking or hiking, i'll be able to walk to an open space and get a gps fix in 1-5 minutes
21:38.26lardmanand you can survive without water for 3 days so that should be enough ;D
21:38.31KotCzarnypupnik: what if there is thunderstorm? :)
21:38.56qwerty12_N800pupnik, i'd place better bets on emergerncy services finding you out faster.
21:39.13qwerty12_N800remove out.
21:39.53lardmanto give it its due, I went to Oz from the UK and got a fix in only a few minutes
21:40.11lardmanI had a good view of the sky though, which is a limiting factor for most of us
21:40.27pupnikdoes anyone here understand why it takes a while?
21:40.43KotCzarnyi would bet on software
21:40.45KotCzarny:)
21:40.59pupnikmust be horribly complicated due to something or other
21:41.12lardmanthe ephemeris data are transmitted by the satellites, the GPS must scan to work out which satellites are in view before it knows what freqs to lock on to
21:41.26qwerty12_N800according to johnx, it uses really bad ti chipset meant to be used with agps
21:41.38lardmanif it has an idea, it can scan fewer freqs, so has a better chance of picking up the signal
21:41.55pupnikah, so a gps receiver does band-switching to test for sat availability
21:42.38lardmanyes, it scans all of the bands, until it finds something to lock on to (I think), then downloads the ephemeris (~20s) then knows what to lock on to
21:42.52lardmanwhat else to lock on to
21:43.10lardmananyway I'm sure wikipedia would do a better job of explaining :)
21:45.52plb_KotCzarny: osso-gpsd?
21:46.01KotCzarnywhat version?
21:46.01qwerty12_N800yeh
21:46.25plb_1.0-25
21:46.39KotCzarnythen it's latest i think
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21:51.21plb_hm need some good games to play
21:51.28plb_for tablet
21:52.08plb_is this vgba any good?
21:53.20qwerty12_N800it's the only good gba emu we got so i'd say yeh
21:55.07term-sigquake plb_ !
21:55.14term-sigthe best game in the world.
21:55.15term-sig;]
21:55.19plb_heh
21:55.27plb_I'm surprised no enemy territory
21:55.31plb_=)
21:55.42lcukthere is
21:55.46pupnikplb_: ur quan masters is one of the best
21:56.02lcukjust goto apple.com/iphone
21:56.06pupnikwell... nevermind
21:56.07plb_eww
21:56.34pupnikplb_: what do you want to play
21:57.02plb_I dunno I just my 810 so I'm looking for all kinds of apps and games to load up on it
21:57.46pupnikhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12
21:58.10qwerty12_N800why not actually try looking in the games section, 10 pages isn't a lot, i've been through it 7 time
21:58.13qwerty12_N800s
21:58.17plb_ya there is quite a bit of games ;]
21:59.09pupniki probably know every game on the tablets
21:59.54pupnikinstall numpty physics first - nice to show off your tablet with that
22:00.26plb_I have numpty already ;]
22:00.36plb_it's a pain though cause I lost the stylus lol
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22:11.47n800nnumpty is awesome
22:12.01n800ni just installed it 1 h ago
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22:26.06NullM0demshould i back up my maps from the n810's internal card before i format it?
22:26.18KotCzarnyif you want to keep them
22:26.19KotCzarny:)
22:26.51NullM0dem:)
22:27.32NullM0demThis thing rocks, I had to force myself to sleep :-D
22:28.06KotCzarnyyeah, it's nice
22:29.41sp3000!?
22:29.51sp3000modest doesn't decode format=flowed :(
22:30.35zpolbye
22:37.35jldiazanyone uses mauku here?
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22:41.58lcuk.
22:42.05KotCzarnyo
22:42.12lcuk( )
22:42.18KotCzarny.-.
22:42.23KotCzarny`-'
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22:42.58lcukdamn i cant do slashes
22:43.03KotCzarny:)
22:43.21KotCzarnyhands lcuk a basket of slashes '/////'
22:43.41lcukmakes em all left handed \\
22:44.21lcukive still got block
22:44.36KotCzarnyhttp://www.techamok.com/?pid=4467
22:44.47KotCzarnyget yourself a zeppelin
22:45.01sp3000and drop slashes from orbit
22:45.13lcukWOW!
22:45.19sp3000...well, provided it's an orbital rocket zeppelin
22:45.30lcuki would need a parachute, but simply wow
22:45.49KotCzarnyimpractical in windy areas
22:45.49KotCzarny;)
22:46.53lcukyer, most people use hand gliders around here :)
22:47.01lcuk(my dad for one)
22:47.03KotCzarny'hang'
22:47.05KotCzarny;)
22:47.48lcukin one ear out the other.  canvass all over again..
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22:48.16KotCzarnyyou didn't used my corrected version?
22:48.17KotCzarny:)
22:49.19lcukof course, and by use i now know :) though ive slipped a few times but now theres enough of a codebase that its self rectifying :)
22:49.57KotCzarnyit should have prevented you from using bad ones :)
22:50.01lcukit felt wrong when i picked up some vb code the other day with the wrong spelling
22:50.06lcukit did..
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22:50.58lcukim being heavily sidetracked at the moment thinking about text processing and i dont wanna be
22:51.02KotCzarnyi think it's just something you can unlearn by replacing
22:51.15KotCzarnyget a shower then?
22:51.16KotCzarny:)
22:51.17lcuki never knew it was wrong though
22:51.36KotCzarnywhite noise of water should fix it
22:51.49lcukits not fixed it for the last few nights
22:53.15lcukin vb its easy to read and write multi format data in text files.  in c its trickier.  its just an unload though, its bringing back all my parsing and grammar thoughts that roll around
22:53.34KotCzarnyi like php in this area
22:53.50KotCzarnymakes text processing swift
22:53.51KotCzarny:)
22:54.06KotCzarnyfind/write a helper functions
22:54.21lcukwhat do you think has sidetracked me..
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22:54.55plb_hm how can you mimick a right click to save image as ?
22:55.01lcuki practically finished a little deep pattern recursive scanner
22:55.07KotCzarnyplb: hold it for a 1-2 sec
22:55.24plb_ah thanks
22:56.21lcukthe bitch is scanf would work if it would stop reading a %s when the next constant section of the pattern was encountered
22:57.19KotCzarnyhuh?
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22:59.51lcukif you did a scanf with something like scanf(data," fn %20s('%10s',%i,%i)" , &fnname, &arg1,&arg2,&arg3)      i would expect fnname to only hold the data upto the ( but it doesnt, it holds the next 20 chars
23:00.36KotCzarnythat's why i like regexps
23:00.37KotCzarny:)
23:00.49KotCzarnylink against some regexp lib?
23:01.22lcukok :) ill see whats around, ta
23:01.52lcukregex.h :)
23:03.19KotCzarnypcre
23:03.21KotCzarnythat's the name
23:03.53KotCzarnydo man pcre
23:03.54KotCzarny:)
23:04.11KotCzarnyor go to ftp://ftp.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programming/pcre
23:04.21towoalthough scanf has the advantage of being almost exponentially more performant...
23:04.55KotCzarnyit will be a book reader
23:05.05KotCzarnynot db converter
23:05.08lcukscanf works for numbers and constants, but fails for string tokens
23:05.09KotCzarny:)
23:06.02lcukactually, i think im gonna write the file as fixed width
23:06.13lcukthen i can just read it without faffing
23:06.53n800nanyone ever tried to change the taskbar width?
23:07.28KotCzarnyi have changed it's width to 8px once
23:07.36KotCzarnydoesn't looked nice
23:07.40KotCzarny:)
23:07.48n800ni can imagine
23:08.04towoMy fingers are too large for anything smaller. ;)
23:08.30KotCzarnyand background for status bar was wrongly moved to the left too
23:08.39KotCzarnythat's why i use nuvoclear now
23:08.40KotCzarny:)
23:09.20towothar be no screenshots.
23:09.21n800ndoes that little clock for status show up right with nuvo?
23:09.34KotCzarnyyes
23:09.50n800nhere it looks weird
23:09.55n800nlooked
23:10.00KotCzarnymrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png
23:10.20n800nlazy
23:10.44n800nhttp://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png
23:11.01KotCzarnyfail.
23:11.31n800nnice
23:11.59n800ni had xmms for about 1 hour
23:12.08n800ni should try it again
23:12.13n800nhad quirks
23:12.41KotCzarnywhat quirks?
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23:13.18n800ngui wise
23:13.25n800ni don't remember
23:13.35KotCzarnytry my build then
23:13.44n800ndeb?
23:13.50KotCzarnysomewhere on that site
23:14.19KotCzarnyprobably n800/dist/
23:14.57n800ngot it
23:15.36n800nooooh k
23:15.56n800ntons of stuff in that xmms dir
23:16.09KotCzarnymostly deps
23:16.11KotCzarny:)
23:16.21KotCzarnyyou can ignore _dev packages
23:17.21jldiazmaiku anyone?
23:17.39n800nwhat's etch?
23:17.55KotCzarnydebian's version
23:18.51n800nhm missing libs
23:19.26jldiazis it possible to tell X-window to use a different display for input and output?
23:19.48jldiazfor example, the mouse input is read at one host, but the events are sent to a different host
23:19.53KotCzarnyjldiaz: x2x
23:20.17jldiazKotCzarny, thanks, I'll investigate that. Is it supported on maemo?
23:20.28KotCzarnyif one compiles it for it
23:20.29KotCzarny:)
23:20.58jldiazI'm thinking that this could be a solutio for the idea I posted today in the forum, about using the n810 as a tablet digitizer
23:21.00KotCzarnyi don't know if x server on tablet listens on tcp/udp though
23:21.13KotCzarnyfor sending it should work
23:21.17KotCzarny:)
23:21.27KotCzarnybut wouldn't it be easier to use vnc?
23:21.28KotCzarny:>
23:21.36jldiazHum...
23:21.39KotCzarnyyou will get drawing display as a bonus
23:21.40KotCzarny;)
23:21.54jldiazperhaps, but more lag, due to the higher bandwidth
23:22.07KotCzarnylag? that depends on options used
23:22.34KotCzarnybut i agree
23:22.40jldiazif I could turn off the display...
23:22.42KotCzarnybandwidth is limiter
23:22.42lcuki think vnc is great, but it wont take over pressure information because motion is translated into a mouse
23:22.46jldiazand only sent the mouse...
23:22.51jldiazthat would work
23:23.33KotCzarnyanyway, try x2x
23:23.36lcuki like the idea of extending normal desktop to it sometimes - have software on the big screen be able to access the display and input
23:23.46jldiazanyway, when I move the mouse in the VNC client, and see how the mouse moves on the display's server... the movement is not smooth
23:24.28jldiazlcuk, this can be done without installing any extra software
23:24.51jldiazsimply connect from your tablet to your desktop pc (via ssh -X) and run any desktop application
23:25.08jldiazyou probably will find some problems related to fonts, but it should work
23:25.25lcuknot in windows it wouldnt..
23:25.27jldiazI was able to run gedit this way
23:25.41jldiazgedit run in Ubuntu, but displayed in the n810
23:25.47jldiaz(run->ran)
23:25.48KotCzarnyssh -X is just a shortcut for ssh -R 6000:127.0.0.1:6000 i think
23:25.49KotCzarny:)
23:25.53jldiazit is
23:26.01jldiazno
23:26.03jldiazwait
23:26.04jldiazit is not
23:26.10jldiazit is more complex
23:26.23jldiazit is something like
23:26.33jldiazssh -L 6000:127.0.0.1:6010
23:26.41jldiazplus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:190
23:26.43jldiazplus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:10
23:26.50jldiazall transparently
23:27.19KotCzarnymaybe some mitshm cookies are involved too
23:27.23jldiazor perhaps I put the 6000 and 6010 the other way around, but you get the idea
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23:28.30KotCzarnyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
23:28.34lcukhow quick is that? ie what would the chances of decoding and scaling a large video from desktop with plenty of power and then sending over the wire at correct resolution
23:28.35KotCzarnynice condition to have
23:28.36KotCzarny;)
23:28.53KotCzarnylcuk: it sends images uncompressed i think
23:29.05lcukscraps that idea
23:29.11KotCzarnyyeah
23:29.12KotCzarny:)
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23:29.42lcuki might have to see just how much bandwidth is available though
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23:30.08KotCzarnywifi on tablet is limited
23:30.31jldiazhmm.. another crazy idea... Can I run x2x in the desktop PC, and tell it to use the nokia X-server as input?
23:30.45jldiazthis way I don't require even to compile x2x for maemo
23:30.52KotCzarnydon't know
23:30.56KotCzarnyrefer to x2x documentation
23:31.04KotCzarnybecause i haven't used it
23:31.06KotCzarny:)
23:31.11jldiazI'll try this now :-)
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23:38.37jldiazI DID IT!!
23:38.44jldiazops, sorry for crying
23:38.50KotCzarny:)
23:39.06jldiazI have to tell this to someone
23:39.16KotCzarnysomeone special?
23:39.17KotCzarny:)
23:39.18jldiazin the nokia, simply: ssh -X myubuntu
23:39.22flo_lapgood night
23:39.32jldiazthen, over the ssh sesion, in myubuntu:
23:39.35jldiazecho $DISPLAY
23:39.42jldiazlocalhost:11.0
23:39.46jldiazand then
23:39.53jldiazx2x -from :11 -to :0
23:39.57jldiazet voila
23:40.07jldiaza blank window opened in the nokia
23:40.20KotCzarnyhow about: ssh -X myubuntu DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 x2x -from :11 -to :0
23:40.21KotCzarny:)
23:40.32jldiazwhen I move the stylus over that window, the mouse pointer moves in the ubuntu machine
23:40.48jldiazwhen I press keys in the n810 keyboard, the letters appear in the ubuntu machine
23:40.54jldiazit's like magic!
23:41.06KotCzarnyno, it's xfree
23:41.07KotCzarny:)
23:41.10jldiazSo I have a cheap (cheap? ehem) digitizer!
23:41.13KotCzarnyand ssh
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23:41.39jldiazPerhaps even the pressure information is sent
23:41.46jldiazwhy not, all is possible
23:42.44mibusthat's a pretty cool trick :)
23:43.44KotCzarnyi like remote computing too
23:43.59KotCzarnyi'm lazy
23:44.00KotCzarny:)
23:44.17jldiazand I do not loose the control of the mouse in the desktop
23:44.28jldiazI can use the keyboard and mouse normally
23:44.31jldiazand also the tablet
23:44.31KotCzarnyyes
23:44.47KotCzarnyhaving fun with *nix already?
23:44.47KotCzarny:)
23:44.54jldiaznot new to unix...
23:45.14KotCzarnybut feel like?
23:45.15KotCzarny:)
23:45.16jldiazI'm using Unix from 1995, and only unix (windows removed) from 2000
23:45.29jldiazbut every day I learn a new trick
23:46.20johnxyeah, I know the feeling. :)
23:47.02jldiazI'll try running the gimp, to see if pressure information is present
23:47.26KotCzarnyi had some problems with pressure information even on native tablet (thinkpad x41)
23:47.46KotCzarnymanaged to use it after some battling though :)
23:48.25KotCzarnybut i don't think it's sent, or read on tablet without some changes in source
23:48.35jldiazno... x2x do not send pressure information :(
23:48.41KotCzarnytablet == nokia
23:48.43jldiazanyway... far better than the mouse
23:49.33jldiazindeed, the tests I'm doing are a lot more convolved than I told
23:49.58jldiazbecause I'm at home, but the Ubuntu machine running x2x is at my work
23:50.13jldiazI'm using VNC at home with x11vnc at work
23:50.29KotCzarnyhehe
23:50.39jldiazthe nokia is at home, in my LAN, behind the IP of my desktop PC
23:50.46jldiazwhich uses IP masquerading...
23:50.53jldiazI'm feeling dizzy..
23:50.56johnx:D ok, that's a lot more awesome
23:50.58KotCzarny:)
23:51.08KotCzarnynah
23:51.11NullM0demx2x would be cool on the n810, for mousing
23:51.11KotCzarny:)
23:51.29jldiazso, I use the stylus in the nokia to move the mouse in the PC at my work, and see the results at the home PC, via VNC
23:51.33jldiazwhoa
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23:51.40NullM0dempretty slick
23:52.07KotCzarnyadd a motorized cat and i'm sold
23:52.08KotCzarny;)
23:52.11jldiazXD
23:52.18NullM0demi there a way to just project one app over vnc from a windows desktop? sort of like x over ssh?
23:52.18KotCzarnywith camera etc
23:52.19KotCzarny;)
23:52.42KotCzarnynm: DISPLAY=something your_app
23:53.08NullM0demthat work linux to windows?
23:53.15jldiazNullM0dem, if you put the window at some fixed position, you can tell the vnc server to capture only that rectangle
23:53.18KotCzarnyif you have x server running on window
23:53.19KotCzarny:)
23:53.24NullM0demah cool thanks
23:53.40NullM0demim thinking for work
23:53.44jldiazwell, in fact I'm not sure about that
23:53.51jldiazdepends on the vnc server
23:54.05jldiazand I don't remenber if tightvnc or ultravnc allow for that
23:54.05NullM0demonly have 2 apps i need windows for, i run 2000 in a vm ontop of linux.
23:54.33NullM0demone is a phone control apps i would like to touch screen on the n810 :)
23:54.46jldiazExcuse me, I have to post at itt about the x2x tricj
23:54.50jldiaztrick
23:54.57jldiazthanks for the tip, KotCzarny
23:55.52NullM0demjldiaz: enjoy your pocket sized desktop remote :)
23:56.12KotCzarnywaits for the treat
23:56.22GrackleIs there anything I can do about the typing delay on my N800? I experience it when ssh'ing in,when using my bluetooth keyboard, or even when using my usb keyboard. :/
23:56.35KotCzarnygrackle: lower wifi power saving
23:56.41jldiazuh oh, an inexpected side effect..
23:56.51jldiazI'm unable to close the x2x session from the nokia!
23:56.55johnxKotCzarny, that effects usb keyboards used locally?
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23:57.11KotCzarnyjohnx: that will help with ssh
23:57.12KotCzarny:)
23:57.14jldiazall the screen is captured, including the close button, application list menu, etc...
23:57.33jldiazI had to killall x2x from the Ubuntu
23:57.35KotCzarnyjildiaz: run killall x2x
23:57.44KotCzarnyyou can control ubuntu, yes?
23:57.45GrackleIt's not any worse when using ssh
23:57.45KotCzarny:)
23:58.46GrackleIt seems worse in some applications. xterm is particularly bad, which sucks, because that is where most of my typing is done.
23:59.20pupnik_sucks... bad
23:59.30pupnik_bad criticism sucks
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23:59.49GrackleOops, I wiped the close button off the screen. :P

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