| 00:00.57 | KotCzarny | sniffs |
| 00:01.03 | KotCzarny | i should take a shower |
| 00:01.10 | KotCzarny | i hate being ill |
| 00:19.19 | *** join/#maemo plb (n=plb@cpe-24-164-153-130.si.res.rr.com) |
| 00:19.36 | plb | how can you edit the menu? I uninstalled something but it left the menu entry |
| 00:20.29 | Atarii | control panel > panels |
| 00:20.48 | *** part/#maemo trbs (n=trbs@82-171-82-139.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 00:21.07 | Atarii | then click "organise" |
| 00:21.33 | plb | hm |
| 00:21.38 | plb | says unable to remove applications |
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| 00:29.03 | plb | installed and uninstalled again and it's still there |
| 00:33.43 | hrw | morning |
| 00:33.55 | AStorm | night? ;) |
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| 00:34.03 | hrw | ~morning |
| 00:34.04 | infobot | Good morning! |
| 00:34.11 | AStorm | not here |
| 00:34.15 | hrw | lack ibot |
| 00:34.23 | hrw | ~ugt |
| 00:34.24 | infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:34.34 | hrw | that was what I mean ;) |
| 00:34.39 | AStorm | blah blah blah ;P |
| 00:34.40 | hrw | AStorm: 02:42 here too |
| 00:34.45 | AStorm | ;) |
| 00:35.02 | AStorm | hrw: have you tried to build 2.6.xx-omap from linux-omap tree? |
| 00:35.03 | hrw | or rather 02:34 as this server has wrong date a bit |
| 00:35.07 | AStorm | doesn't seem to work with n810 |
| 00:35.09 | AStorm | at all |
| 00:35.13 | hrw | AStorm: not for n8x0 |
| 00:35.43 | hrw | AStorm: I lack time for such playing - daughter takes most of free time |
| 00:35.50 | AStorm | mhm |
| 00:35.57 | AStorm | they know how to do that ;P |
| 00:35.58 | hrw | AStorm: I did not even had a time to check your keymap ;( |
| 00:36.11 | hrw | she is 2m8d old |
| 00:36.34 | AStorm | and counting |
| 00:36.59 | hrw | AStorm: you know how to get wifi working with non-standard kernel? |
| 00:37.12 | plb | hm how to become root? |
| 00:37.15 | AStorm | I managed to get it to build vs 2.6.25 |
| 00:37.28 | AStorm | plb: ssh, or gainroot/easyroot |
| 00:37.36 | hrw | or becameroot |
| 00:37.37 | AStorm | or login through ssh and fix sudo |
| 00:37.40 | AStorm | yup |
| 00:37.57 | hrw | 'sudo gainroot' was iirc working out-of-box on my n810 |
| 00:38.04 | AStorm | mhm |
| 00:38.04 | plb | or is there a way to delete this bloody menu entry...it won't let me delete anything from panel in control panel |
| 00:38.30 | hrw | AStorm: 2.6.25-omap1 or 2.6.25? |
| 00:38.32 | AStorm | -omap1 |
| 00:38.38 | AStorm | it doesn't matter anyway |
| 00:38.43 | hrw | AStorm: does it boot at all? |
| 00:38.51 | AStorm | 2.6.25-omap1? nopes |
| 00:38.57 | AStorm | I'm working now on that nokia patch |
| 00:39.00 | AStorm | forward porting it |
| 00:39.10 | AStorm | now at 2.6.22 and 66% into it |
| 00:39.13 | hrw | good luck |
| 00:39.22 | hrw | AStorm: do you have serial jig? |
| 00:39.30 | AStorm | I'd love to, but alas, no |
| 00:39.37 | hrw | then good luck^2 |
| 00:39.42 | AStorm | and need to buy usb-serial dongle too |
| 00:39.59 | AStorm | the kernel crashes before it can write to MTD, so serial wouldn't help much ;P |
| 00:40.00 | hrw | my desktop has 3 serials ;D |
| 00:40.23 | hrw | AStorm: serial cable is musthave when it comes to kernel hacking |
| 00:40.27 | AStorm | heh |
| 00:40.31 | AStorm | I know |
| 00:40.40 | AStorm | esp. when netconsole doesn't work |
| 00:40.55 | hrw | netconsole.... |
| 00:40.57 | AStorm | the crash is before fb is set up |
| 00:41.21 | hrw | printascii hack is nice lowlevel |
| 00:41.24 | AStorm | or it is just fb not working |
| 00:41.30 | AStorm | hrw: what does it do? :> |
| 00:41.38 | adam_ | what would one need to use a wii mote to play roms? |
| 00:41.44 | adam_ | on the n800 |
| 00:41.46 | hrw | prints before printk is able to print |
| 00:41.47 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 00:41.52 | AStorm | hrw: ah, that one |
| 00:42.06 | plb | hm there is sudo though...is there a default pw? |
| 00:42.06 | AStorm | it won't work on N |
| 00:42.12 | AStorm | plb: no |
| 00:42.28 | hrw | last time I used it when was working on booting qemu/arm with armv6 kernel |
| 00:42.43 | AStorm | hrw: btw, the kernel seems to boot on your emulator |
| 00:42.51 | AStorm | but I can't test fb |
| 00:42.51 | plb | argh just want to delete this bomberman.desktop file |
| 00:42.54 | hrw | it is not mine emulator |
| 00:43.01 | plb | to get it out my damn menu |
| 00:43.07 | AStorm | ah, well, your patched emulator from poky linux |
| 00:43.10 | hrw | plb: cd /usr/share/applications and remove it |
| 00:43.24 | plb | says permission denied |
| 00:43.32 | hrw | plb: became root then |
| 00:43.35 | AStorm | plb: sudo gainroot first ;> |
| 00:44.04 | hrw | AStorm: do you want dmesg log from real hardware? |
| 00:44.25 | AStorm | I have one, thanks. |
| 00:44.27 | hrw | AStorm: I know someone who has n8x0 with serial attached... |
| 00:44.29 | plb | enable rd mode if you want to break your device? |
| 00:44.32 | plb | that's what it says |
| 00:44.35 | AStorm | hrw: ah, yes |
| 00:44.37 | AStorm | then very much |
| 00:44.45 | AStorm | build linux-omap, latest :> |
| 00:44.53 | hrw | AStorm: mail me kernel image |
| 00:44.58 | AStorm | ok, #0s |
| 00:45.00 | AStorm | 30s |
| 00:45.12 | AStorm | current linux-omap needed a tiny patch :) |
| 00:45.15 | hrw | no rush - I will contact him during day not now |
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| 00:46.19 | KotCzarny | re |
| 00:46.28 | hrw | elo KotCzarny |
| 00:46.38 | hrw | KotCzarny: shower makes miracles? |
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| 00:47.03 | KotCzarny | at least i don't stink so badly anymore |
| 00:47.08 | AstralSt | argh |
| 00:47.14 | AstralSt | bad click, bad! |
| 00:47.18 | KotCzarny | astorm went into irc-cycle loop? |
| 00:47.20 | hrw | KotCzarny: sweating a lot? |
| 00:47.25 | KotCzarny | hrw: yeah.. |
| 00:47.34 | hrw | that suxx in illness |
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| 00:47.56 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 00:48.00 | KotCzarny | here we go again? |
| 00:48.02 | AStorm | there is XChat alive somewhere? |
| 00:48.10 | hrw | AStorm: kill -9 -1 |
| 00:48.11 | hrw | ;D |
| 00:48.11 | AStorm | it disappeared... |
| 00:48.18 | AStorm | hrw: har har ;P |
| 00:48.22 | AStorm | I prefer telinit S |
| 00:48.46 | hrw | I do not like to use 80x24 on 22" wide LCD |
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| 00:49.02 | hrw | ~curse nvidia btw |
| 00:49.03 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nvidia btw ! |
| 00:49.04 | KotCzarny | and again |
| 00:49.16 | AStorm | nah |
| 00:49.17 | KotCzarny | hrw: go unregistered for a while? |
| 00:49.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:49.21 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 00:49.24 | AStorm | I have to change a certain binding |
| 00:49.25 | KotCzarny | s/hrw/astorm |
| 00:49.36 | AStorm | KotCzarny: naaah |
| 00:49.46 | AStorm | that was xchat having its window killed |
| 00:49.52 | AStorm | stupid piece of s....oftware |
| 00:50.32 | hrw | ;) |
| 00:51.27 | KotCzarny | sss..sss..ssss...oftware |
| 00:52.12 | KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2744 |
| 00:52.14 | KotCzarny | yummy |
| 00:52.40 | KotCzarny | i bet there are whole ecosystems in people's keyboards |
| 00:52.52 | AStorm | hrw: where do you want the zImage sent to? |
| 00:53.09 | AStorm | do you want a tiny /bin/busybox initramfs in too? |
| 00:53.54 | hrw | AStorm: does it boot into initramfs in qemu? |
| 00:54.01 | AStorm | let me check :-) |
| 00:55.56 | AStorm | fail, segfault? |
| 00:56.48 | AStorm | I'll check if it can run 2.6.21-nokia with initramfs |
| 00:58.06 | AStorm | nah, 2.6.21-nokia booted just fine into initramfs |
| 00:58.08 | plb | easyroot worked |
| 00:58.10 | plb | yay |
| 00:58.11 | plb | gone |
| 00:58.49 | AStorm | hrw: keyboard didn't work, but that's no biggy |
| 00:59.02 | AStorm | let's see that 2.6.25-foo |
| 00:59.02 | hrw | AStorm: basically the rule is: you send me kernel, I send you booting log from it. |
| 00:59.07 | AStorm | make it nosegfault |
| 00:59.23 | AStorm | I remember I did something to make it not segfault |
| 00:59.38 | hrw | if friend agree to boot it ;) |
| 00:59.53 | AStorm | mhm |
| 01:00.01 | AStorm | first, I'll get it running in the emulator |
| 01:00.14 | hrw | how helpful emu is? |
| 01:00.17 | AStorm | btw, how do I get serial console output from that qemu? |
| 01:00.39 | AStorm | hrw: that my own built 2.6.21-nokia works in it |
| 01:00.46 | hrw | add "-serial stdio" to command and 'console=ttyS0' to cmdline |
| 01:00.55 | hrw | s/cmdline/kernel cmdline |
| 01:01.06 | AStorm | mhm |
| 01:02.24 | AStorm | hm, segfaults before serial is inited it seems ;P |
| 01:02.40 | hrw | enabled printascii? |
| 01:02.55 | AStorm | where? |
| 01:03.06 | hrw | CONFIG_DEBUG_LL iirc |
| 01:03.21 | AStorm | mhm |
| 01:03.44 | *** part/#maemo gekon (n=Gekon@86-41-118-154.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net) |
| 01:04.09 | AStorm | now I have that in |
| 01:04.10 | hrw | or google for printascii patch |
| 01:04.42 | AStorm | still nothing |
| 01:04.54 | hrw | heh.. I hate to see when cores in cpu are wasted... |
| 01:05.09 | AStorm | I have DEBUG_LL in, but still it only crashes after some omap warnings |
| 01:05.14 | KotCzarny | like dsp in omap2 ? |
| 01:05.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:05.46 | hrw | I have over year old Poky build in progress and it wastes cpu time |
| 01:05.52 | hrw | compared to newer versions |
| 01:06.09 | AStorm | :> |
| 01:06.16 | hrw | KotCzarny: I would like to play with omap3 one day |
| 01:06.17 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nah |
| 01:06.31 | AStorm | a lot "bad register" |
| 01:06.51 | AStorm | and omap_badwidth_read32 |
| 01:06.54 | KotCzarny | your dream will come true |
| 01:06.57 | KotCzarny | eventually |
| 01:07.02 | AStorm | a lot of these |
| 01:07.04 | AStorm | omap_badwidth_read32: 32-bit register 0x480000e5 |
| 01:07.16 | hrw | KotCzarny: current Poky can be configured to make use of any amount of cpu cores. I would like to test it one day on 64+ cpu monsters |
| 01:07.26 | AStorm | hehe |
| 01:07.35 | KotCzarny | hrw: but only generic cores, not specialized ? |
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| 01:09.17 | hrw | cpu cores not dsp ones (unless you can run gcc on dsp ;) |
| 01:11.25 | AStorm | ok, got *something* to show |
| 01:11.29 | AStorm | actually, Linux logo |
| 01:11.31 | hrw | on core2quad q6600 I am able to build poky-image-sato in ~1.5h and it has x11 with gtk based environment with webkit browser |
| 01:11.36 | hrw | AStorm: progress ;) |
| 01:11.37 | AStorm | so, it works now |
| 01:11.44 | AStorm | disabled n810 support though |
| 01:11.46 | hrw | .25? |
| 01:11.53 | AStorm | and a few unrelated things |
| 01:12.17 | hrw | n810 <> n800 is other TS, keyboard and something more? |
| 01:12.33 | AStorm | onenand_write: unknown OneNAND boot command 0 and it shuts down? |
| 01:12.51 | hrw | AStorm: you use maemo or poky rootfs? |
| 01:13.18 | AStorm | ... |
| 01:13.19 | KotCzarny | astorm: gps |
| 01:13.21 | AStorm | it's no rootfs |
| 01:13.26 | AStorm | it should boot into initramfs |
| 01:13.56 | KotCzarny | maybe something interrupts boot process |
| 01:13.58 | KotCzarny | some driver |
| 01:14.01 | AStorm | btw, I'm getting no, read, none serial output in the qemu |
| 01:14.06 | hrw | KotCzarny: is not gps connected to serial? |
| 01:14.32 | AStorm | it is serial over SPI |
| 01:14.33 | AStorm | ;) |
| 01:14.41 | hrw | AStorm: -append "console=ttyS0 debug" -serial stdio to qemu? |
| 01:15.06 | hrw | that so called gps... |
| 01:15.08 | AStorm | tried, zilcho |
| 01:15.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:15.30 | KotCzarny | afair serial on n8x0 was ttyS3 |
| 01:15.33 | KotCzarny | or 2 |
| 01:15.34 | AStorm | okwell |
| 01:15.38 | AStorm | fb works |
| 01:15.43 | KotCzarny | i may be wrong though |
| 01:15.43 | hrw | after playing with navigation software on n810 I am more and more decided to buy wince based navigation device |
| 01:16.02 | KotCzarny | astorm: on device or emu? |
| 01:16.10 | AStorm | on emu |
| 01:16.16 | AStorm | I'll try the same kernel on the device now |
| 01:16.24 | hrw | maemo mapper lack offline routing, navicore lack sensible maps and both are not written for touchscreen devices |
| 01:16.32 | AStorm | that would be quite a milestone if it worked |
| 01:16.48 | hrw | AStorm: tag kernel in git |
| 01:16.56 | AStorm | sure |
| 01:17.26 | hrw | git tag "after-long-fight-booted-to-fb-and-crashed" |
| 01:17.44 | AStorm | damnit |
| 01:17.49 | AStorm | slightly too big |
| 01:17.57 | AStorm | have to shave off some 50 KB |
| 01:18.13 | hrw | 2MB limit... |
| 01:18.21 | AStorm | ya |
| 01:18.36 | KotCzarny | can this layout be changed? |
| 01:18.43 | KotCzarny | mtd1/2/3/4 ? |
| 01:18.48 | hrw | it is better then on Zaurus devices where it was 1.2MB or even 1M on collie |
| 01:18.51 | AStorm | ;> |
| 01:18.56 | AStorm | that was, like, ouch |
| 01:18.57 | hrw | KotCzarny: it is rather hardcoded in nolo |
| 01:19.01 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:19.15 | hrw | KotCzarny: standard procedure in small bootloaders |
| 01:19.25 | KotCzarny | nolo does the magic initialization or just loads 'next part' ? |
| 01:19.28 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 01:19.34 | AStorm | it booted in qemu, but not on the device |
| 01:19.51 | AStorm | I'll better enable n810 support |
| 01:19.59 | hrw | AStorm: qemu is not exact emulation - it does not use nolo iirc |
| 01:20.09 | AStorm | etc. |
| 01:21.19 | AStorm | no luck |
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| 01:21.33 | AStorm | possibly something n810 related |
| 01:21.39 | hrw | ok, time to turn daughter to back and return to sleep |
| 01:23.05 | AStorm | I'd actually like Nokia to forward-port their changes |
| 01:23.09 | AStorm | is it *that* hard? |
| 01:24.00 | hrw | children makes funny moves sometimes ;) |
| 01:24.14 | AStorm | hmm, OneNAND driver is b*ching in qemu, btw |
| 01:24.33 | AStorm | if that doesn't work correctly, the kernel won't boot I guess P |
| 01:25.06 | hrw | AStorm: iirc they merge their kernel changes |
| 01:25.17 | AStorm | they do bad at it |
| 01:25.29 | AStorm | so 2.6.21-nokia works, while 2.6.25-omap1 doesn't ;P |
| 01:25.40 | AStorm | (or any earlier) |
| 01:25.51 | KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2678 |
| 01:25.52 | KotCzarny | ehehehe |
| 01:26.18 | AStorm | whoops ;) |
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| 01:30.40 | hrw | shit. will have more work during day ;( |
| 01:30.47 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:30.56 | hrw | ~curse internal servers |
| 01:30.57 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, internal servers ! |
| 01:31.52 | AStorm | infobot: learn plural, will you? |
| 01:33.48 | hrw | AStorm: and then let it learn Polish plurals |
| 01:34.10 | AStorm | English would suffice |
| 01:35.06 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 01:35.33 | hrw | I remember some time ago discussion about "1 tasks remainded" in one application |
| 01:36.09 | hrw | developer wanted to have it changed to "1 task remainded" with simple "if amount == 1 then 'task' else 'tasks'" |
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| 01:37.07 | hrw | then I told him how it looks in Polish and he got scared enough to check gettext support ;) |
| 01:40.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:40.55 | KotCzarny | yeah, localizations suck |
| 01:41.04 | KotCzarny | english is nice enough for guis |
| 01:41.07 | KotCzarny | and messages |
| 01:41.14 | KotCzarny | nearly no declination :) |
| 01:41.19 | hrw | indeed |
| 01:41.48 | hrw | btw - odwocic na plecy to 'turn to back' czy 'turn to backs' bo nigdy nie pamietam |
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| 01:43.10 | KotCzarny | turn on the back |
| 01:43.15 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:43.15 | lopz | wow, very nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAi531YZ9L0 |
| 01:43.18 | hrw | gracias |
| 01:43.37 | hrw | cholerne a/an/the |
| 01:43.41 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:43.50 | KotCzarny | ja po prostu wrzucam gdzie mi sie wyda ze ok |
| 01:43.51 | hrw | curse of english ;D |
| 01:43.53 | KotCzarny | i sie nie przejmuje |
| 01:43.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:44.21 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 01:44.27 | lopz | hrw, you speak spanish ? |
| 01:44.31 | KotCzarny | i love those blurry, out of ofcus flash vids |
| 01:44.41 | hrw | lopz: nope |
| 01:44.41 | KotCzarny | *focus |
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| 01:51.49 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/28/children-makes-funny-moves/ |
| 01:51.59 | KotCzarny | wrong |
| 01:52.05 | KotCzarny | children is plural |
| 01:52.05 | hrw | ? |
| 01:52.14 | KotCzarny | makes is only for singular 3rd person |
| 01:52.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:52.21 | hrw | right |
| 01:53.04 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/28/children-make-funny-moves/ then |
| 01:53.30 | KotCzarny | and you don't move to the back, but turn |
| 01:53.43 | hrw | fetching 60M archives from svn suxx |
| 01:53.45 | KotCzarny | move to the back could be possible in car etc |
| 01:54.04 | KotCzarny | or if you were baking him/her |
| 01:54.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:54.15 | hrw | ;D |
| 01:55.41 | hrw | fixed |
| 01:57.02 | lopz | pff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vhwMzEPJc&feature=related |
| 01:57.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, vnc fun |
| 01:57.45 | KotCzarny | nice to trick 'doze users |
| 01:58.46 | hrw | http://ok.research.nokia.com/pipermail/qemu-arm/2008-April/000060.html - someone has access? |
| 01:58.57 | KotCzarny | No such domain: ok.research.nokia.com |
| 01:58.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:59.09 | KotCzarny | i think my root pdnsd doesn't like some domains |
| 01:59.12 | hrw | and I got it as referrer on my blog |
| 02:00.17 | KotCzarny | may be internal domain |
| 02:00.42 | hrw | yep |
| 02:00.42 | KotCzarny | because it doesn't have anything other than mail records |
| 02:01.27 | hrw | I need to add few rules to .htaccess here... |
| 02:01.41 | hrw | to block others from use of pictures on my sites |
| 02:01.49 | hrw | ~curse someone on ITT |
| 02:01.52 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, someone on ITT ! |
| 02:02.03 | KotCzarny | don't block |
| 02:02.05 | KotCzarny | redirect |
| 02:02.06 | hrw | ~curse bofh |
| 02:02.06 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bofh ! |
| 02:02.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:02.25 | hrw | KotCzarny: to hardcore goatse picture like my friend did? |
| 02:02.35 | KotCzarny | nope, to your main page |
| 02:02.37 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 02:03.08 | hrw | it does not work good for <img> |
| 02:03.42 | KotCzarny | well |
| 02:04.00 | KotCzarny | then a png with your site name will be enough |
| 02:04.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:04.08 | KotCzarny | *'s |
| 02:04.30 | hrw | hm. the problem is named feeds... |
| 02:05.06 | hrw | if you fetch feed from my site then it redirect you to feedburner and then you fetch images. so no referrer is sent |
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| 02:05.25 | hrw | but I can rename files on server ;D |
| 02:05.28 | KotCzarny | if browser doesn't send referer |
| 02:05.32 | KotCzarny | then.. meh |
| 02:05.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:05.58 | hrw | KotCzarny: if you read by google reader... |
| 02:09.10 | hrw | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19108 looks a bit worse but I pay for bandwidth |
| 02:10.00 | hrw | have a nice rest or night/day guys |
| 02:10.09 | hrw | back to the bed |
| 02:10.11 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 02:10.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:39.08 | AStorm | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3012 - buy me one |
| 02:39.27 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 02:39.33 | KotCzarny | wireless model is better |
| 02:39.54 | KotCzarny | or blink left/right/nod |
| 02:41.34 | AStorm | actually, that could be useful as an input device for Morse code |
| 02:41.39 | AStorm | or better yet, Dasher |
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| 02:44.06 | AStorm | Someone should make dasher more compatible with qwerty keyboard ;P |
| 02:44.16 | KotCzarny | what's that anyway? |
| 02:44.24 | AStorm | Google, heathen! |
| 02:44.50 | KotCzarny | you know more :> |
| 02:45.10 | AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasher |
| 02:45.34 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 02:45.39 | KotCzarny | input method |
| 02:46.18 | AStorm | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html - have a gif |
| 02:46.45 | AStorm | The only problem is slight dizzyness after prolonged use ;P |
| 02:46.53 | KotCzarny | heheh |
| 02:46.56 | KotCzarny | not good |
| 02:46.59 | AStorm | and that it requires attention |
| 02:47.03 | KotCzarny | because it mean real problems |
| 02:47.08 | KotCzarny | *means |
| 02:47.13 | AStorm | huh? |
| 02:47.26 | AStorm | well, it's just like sea sickness ;P |
| 02:47.27 | KotCzarny | human body is learning all the time |
| 02:47.35 | AStorm | you don't move, but the visual input is |
| 02:47.39 | KotCzarny | if you feel dizzyness it means some conflicts |
| 02:47.43 | AStorm | sure it does |
| 02:47.50 | AStorm | but then, it's slight |
| 02:47.58 | AStorm | I'm not prone to sea sickness ;P |
| 02:48.07 | KotCzarny | have you used 8h/day 365days ? |
| 02:48.13 | KotCzarny | *it |
| 02:48.23 | AStorm | full days, yes |
| 02:48.33 | AStorm | Nice fun ;) |
| 02:48.47 | KotCzarny | looks like a a game |
| 02:48.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:48.54 | AStorm | Even used it for irc for a time, got quite ok, 3.0 speed |
| 02:49.07 | AStorm | that means, 3 bits per second |
| 02:49.28 | AStorm | (normalized to english word entropy) |
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| 02:50.06 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:50.14 | KotCzarny | have you tried interfacing it with webcam? |
| 02:50.31 | AStorm | It'd need a *lot* of coding ;P |
| 02:50.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:50.37 | AStorm | or a pointer cap |
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| 02:50.44 | AStorm | and a lot of coding any way |
| 02:50.56 | KotCzarny | big bulb on the forehead |
| 02:50.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:51.08 | KotCzarny | well, led should be ok too |
| 02:51.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:51.25 | AStorm | still needs some coding |
| 02:52.04 | AStorm | the problem with dasher is that you have to look at it ;P |
| 02:52.04 | AStorm | touch typing doesn't have that problem |
| 02:52.15 | AStorm | I'd love to combine it with voice synthesis |
| 02:52.40 | AStorm | (although I don't know any good algorithm for Polish) |
| 02:54.48 | KotCzarny | osk could be faster though |
| 02:55.24 | AStorm | nah, it will be faster than OSK if trained, I think |
| 02:55.34 | KotCzarny | trained osk? |
| 02:55.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:55.39 | AStorm | and more accurate than handwriting recognition |
| 02:55.46 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, definitely |
| 02:55.52 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 02:55.52 | AStorm | faster than thumb writing |
| 02:56.04 | AStorm | it's faster than hw keyboard too, in my case |
| 02:56.14 | AStorm | and I'm not anywhere close to trained ;> |
| 02:56.24 | KotCzarny | it still presents you with letters you have to click |
| 02:56.28 | AStorm | and haven't tried it with pen, could be better than mouse |
| 02:56.36 | AStorm | KotCzarny: wrong |
| 02:56.45 | AStorm | you draw a path to the letter, not click it |
| 02:56.51 | AStorm | at least, not in the default mode |
| 02:56.57 | AStorm | there is a click mode too |
| 02:57.21 | AStorm | let me check if I still have that installed :> |
| 02:57.42 | AStorm | yup |
| 02:57.59 | AStorm | and working |
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| 02:58.42 | AStorm | It's quite nice really. |
| 02:58.53 | KotCzarny | i believe you |
| 02:59.05 | KotCzarny | but constant moving isn't so nice on cpu |
| 02:59.07 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 02:59.12 | AStorm | And I'm mission practice. |
| 02:59.24 | AStorm | sure |
| 02:59.27 | KotCzarny | missing? |
| 02:59.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:59.33 | AStorm | ;) |
| 02:59.39 | AStorm | ya, need to slow it down a bit |
| 02:59.54 | AStorm | Anyway. |
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| 03:00.43 | AStorm | It is said to work on the IT. |
| 03:01.34 | AStorm | Slowly, but working. |
| 03:02.40 | AStorm | Needs more integration though. |
| 03:02.58 | AStorm | (and I need more practice) |
| 03:05.22 | AStorm | Let's see now. |
| 03:06.10 | AStorm | Hmm, really out of practice:) |
| 03:07.42 | AStorm | It's fun typing shell in it, I created a dictionary optimized for that |
| 03:08.14 | AStorm | Really easy that way. |
| 03:09.21 | AStorm | You get autocomplete for free. |
| 03:09.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:09.34 | woodwizzle | On what repo is GtkSourceView and the python runtime on? |
| 03:09.54 | woodwizzle | i can't find 'em anywhere to download, and I need them for pygtkeditor |
| 03:10.09 | AStorm | ayayay |
| 03:10.30 | AStorm | stupid GTK accepts inserted tab key as a real tab ;P |
| 03:10.38 | Navi | Woo |
| 03:10.40 | AStorm | no tabcomplete for me then ;P |
| 03:10.58 | Navi | :D |
| 03:11.02 | AStorm | heh. |
| 03:11.08 | KotCzarny | astorm, is it hildonized? |
| 03:11.23 | KotCzarny | i know that hildon gtk apps need enter sent differently |
| 03:11.23 | AStorm | Supposedly. |
| 03:11.39 | KotCzarny | at least with default im |
| 03:11.40 | AStorm | Well, I'm using it on my PC now. |
| 03:11.53 | AStorm | Not on N, which has broken kernel and initfs ;P |
| 03:12.34 | AStorm | Needed a patch for a crasher. |
| 03:12.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:12.59 | KotCzarny | you have a backup? |
| 03:13.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:13.06 | AStorm | Hmm, right now I'm typing with 1/4 the speed of a QWERTY. |
| 03:13.22 | AStorm | Not too bad. |
| 03:13.34 | AStorm | KotCzarny: of course I have a backup |
| 03:13.45 | Navi | Wow, if I typed 1/4th the speed of my speed, it'd be 15 wpm |
| 03:13.51 | Navi | types slow |
| 03:13.57 | AStorm | Navi: you're not a touch typist then |
| 03:14.03 | AStorm | ;P |
| 03:14.11 | KotCzarny | i more a punch typist |
| 03:14.25 | KotCzarny | but thinkpads have very good kbs |
| 03:14.38 | AStorm | OMG |
| 03:14.38 | KotCzarny | *i'm |
| 03:14.46 | Navi | AStorm, I constantly make mistakes out of habit and that bogs me down like crazy |
| 03:15.08 | Navi | I don't care to fix it either |
| 03:15.18 | AStorm | You punch the keyboard? |
| 03:15.32 | KotCzarny | astorm, well, i type quite hard |
| 03:15.48 | AStorm | Hehe |
| 03:16.23 | AStorm | Keyslammer |
| 03:16.31 | KotCzarny | something like that |
| 03:16.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:16.42 | KotCzarny | plastic on my kb is worn out |
| 03:16.53 | KotCzarny | usually on space, shift and enter |
| 03:17.05 | KotCzarny | it was matte at the beginning |
| 03:17.11 | KotCzarny | now it's shiny in most places |
| 03:17.12 | AStorm | It'd be uberfun to write with Dasher using a tilt sensor ;P |
| 03:17.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:17.28 | KotCzarny | astorm: great kid's game |
| 03:17.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:18.17 | AStorm | Want a static binary? (Not for N) |
| 03:18.25 | KotCzarny | not yet |
| 03:18.46 | AStorm | alternatively, I can drop you the needed patches |
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| 03:21.13 | zakkm | hi .. i have a nokia 770 and i was wondering if there was a guide on installing 2008HE on it ( currently running 2006 ) |
| 03:21.21 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:21.23 | KotCzarny | maemo.org |
| 03:21.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:21.38 | zakkm | any chance of a exact link? |
| 03:21.42 | zakkm | like to the guide? |
| 03:21.54 | KotCzarny | i don't have any handy |
| 03:21.57 | AStorm | ~google Nokia 2008HE |
| 03:21.58 | zakkm | like i downloaded stuff from ther ebefore |
| 03:22.08 | AStorm | infobot: you suck! |
| 03:22.09 | infobot | Sorry! |
| 03:22.10 | zakkm | AStorm: i did that? |
| 03:22.36 | AStorm | no, you didn't |
| 03:22.47 | zakkm | AStorm: doesnt bring up any helpful results? |
| 03:22.52 | zakkm | http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=nokia+2008hE&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 03:23.16 | KotCzarny | add 'howto' |
| 03:23.21 | KotCzarny | to the search query |
| 03:23.47 | zakkm | i just get irc logs from this irc channel? |
| 03:24.03 | KotCzarny | that's good |
| 03:24.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:24.10 | KotCzarny | they are full of links |
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| 03:25.44 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 03:25.58 | zakkm | will skype work on it? |
| 03:26.01 | zakkm | nokia 770 - 2008HE |
| 03:26.14 | zakkm | my main reason for updating is to run skype |
| 03:27.40 | AStorm | I don't think so. |
| 03:27.49 | AStorm | It's a different cpu. |
| 03:28.24 | KotCzarny | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/12/skype-on-n770-using-os2007-he.html |
| 03:28.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:29.33 | KotCzarny | and this is the source: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740 |
| 03:30.29 | StormEveryDay | skype can run on 2006 |
| 03:32.35 | AStorm | We want Skype with videosupport! |
| 03:32.42 | KotCzarny | nah. |
| 03:32.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:32.58 | AStorm | Why? |
| 03:33.56 | AStorm | At least rudimentary. |
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| 03:38.45 | Sakkath | Is there another GPS receiver that will work with the Nokia n800? I just bought one under the impression the Nokia Navigation Kit was a lot cheaper than it really is. I should have just waited and got the n810 but it's too late now. |
| 03:39.11 | KotCzarny | i think any bt gps will do |
| 03:39.22 | Sakkath | hm |
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| 03:40.01 | Sakkath | KotCzarny: know of any cheap but quality ones? |
| 03:40.10 | KotCzarny | how cheap is cheap? |
| 03:40.11 | zakkm | wait sorry i left |
| 03:40.15 | zakkm | skype works on 2006? |
| 03:40.24 | KotCzarny | i saw one link that suggested: http://www.semsons.com/wiwbmu3gpsre2.html |
| 03:40.27 | Sakkath | KotCzarny: hopefully cheaper than the Nokia Navigation Kit :D. I've seen like $186 or around there |
| 03:40.47 | zakkm | Sakkath: skype works on 2006? i couldnt seem to get it to work if i remember correctly |
| 03:41.14 | Sakkath | zakkm: I didn't even get my n800 yet, hasn't been shipped. |
| 03:41.37 | zakkm | Also, how come when i refresh package list in application manager. it fails ? |
| 03:41.49 | zakkm | and shows a old list from like september '07 |
| 03:41.50 | Sakkath | KotCzarny: http://www.buygpsnow.com/bluetooth-gps_9.aspx some of those are pretty cheap BlueTooth GPS receivers, any good? |
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| 03:43.12 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 03:43.59 | KotCzarny | tbh i never had gps yet |
| 03:44.12 | KotCzarny | so everything i know is from stories of other people |
| 03:44.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:44.32 | Sakkath | Well, I'll keep looking and researching--don't need one right away, just was asking for future reference. |
| 03:44.39 | zakkm | SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 03:44.41 | zakkm | does that sound right? |
| 03:44.43 | zakkm | for nokia 770? |
| 03:44.54 | zakkm | 3rd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets |
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| 03:50.33 | zakkm | is SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin right for the nokia 770 ? for 2007HE? |
| 03:50.44 | ameng | Anyone get directfb run on maemo? |
| 03:51.05 | johnx | ameng, to run *on* maemo? hmm |
| 03:51.48 | ameng | sorry , on n810 |
| 03:51.49 | johnx | that might be a bit tricky |
| 03:52.15 | johnx | almost certainly possible |
| 03:52.16 | ameng | johnx:why? |
| 03:53.05 | johnx | well Nokia's "ITOS2008" is already using the framebuffer and it can be tricky to kill off the x server without their watchdog software freaking out and rebooting your device |
| 03:54.35 | johnx | should be possible though. And maybe you can just use some software to open up a fullscreen black window and then run directfb and just kind of forget that the x server is running |
| 03:54.44 | AStorm | it is easy to do so |
| 03:55.09 | AStorm | just change dsmetool call in the X server init script |
| 03:55.19 | AStorm | then terminate it and use the framebuffer as usual |
| 03:55.31 | AStorm | but you need a kernel capable of automatic screen updates |
| 03:55.31 | johnx | yeah, that would work too |
| 03:55.42 | johnx | you just need fanoush's modules |
| 03:55.47 | AStorm | or a directfb driver that updates the screen |
| 03:55.57 | AStorm | johnx: tell me more about these ;P |
| 03:56.10 | johnx | digs up the thread |
| 03:56.16 | zakkm | if i use 2008HE on the nokia 770 ( dont mind speed issues much ) is it possible to go back to 2006? or can it like brick my nokia? |
| 03:56.33 | AStorm | zakkm: just reflash and it's 2006 again |
| 03:56.37 | zakkm | k |
| 03:56.49 | ameng | Oh, thank you |
| 03:56.49 | zakkm | do i need the USB cable to flash it to 2008 ? |
| 03:56.57 | AStorm | zakkm: yes |
| 03:57.03 | zakkm | sorry .. only had it a few days |
| 03:57.22 | zakkm | got it on ebay for $85 |
| 03:57.22 | johnx | AStorm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=fbcon |
| 03:57.40 | zakkm | im running 3.2006.49-2 currently? |
| 03:58.26 | zakkm | SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- is that it? for my 770 ? |
| 03:58.35 | zakkm | 1st FIASCO image of the OS 2008 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets <--- it says in description |
| 03:58.53 | johnx | yup, there's only one |
| 03:59.10 | zakkm | whats that uhmm |
| 03:59.15 | zakkm | meta-crawler thingy |
| 03:59.22 | zakkm | metalayer-crawler |
| 03:59.25 | KotCzarny | it's evil |
| 03:59.39 | johnx | it indexes your media files |
| 03:59.40 | zakkm | i got x terminal on it.. but when i flash it.. wont it delete all my apps? |
| 03:59.43 | KotCzarny | at least in it's current form |
| 03:59.55 | johnx | but sometimes it goes insane and uses up all the CPU time |
| 04:00.03 | johnx | zakkm, yes, flashing will erase all your apps |
| 04:00.11 | zakkm | eek |
| 04:00.13 | KotCzarny | and user files too |
| 04:00.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:00.24 | johnx | but os2008 comes with a terminal |
| 04:00.28 | zakkm | would 2008HE use more battery then 2006? |
| 04:00.31 | zakkm | like significantly |
| 04:00.34 | zakkm | cause i like my battery life :P |
| 04:00.50 | johnx | it might, since it takes more power to run |
| 04:01.14 | zakkm | i can charge it nightly? but would it last that long? |
| 04:01.22 | johnx | we don't know |
| 04:01.25 | johnx | it depends on how you use it |
| 04:01.32 | johnx | why not give it a shot and see |
| 04:01.40 | KotCzarny | n800 charges from empty to full in ~3h |
| 04:01.41 | zakkm | true |
| 04:01.43 | zakkm | can it brick it? |
| 04:01.49 | johnx | nope |
| 04:02.03 | johnx | nokia's flasher is solid |
| 04:02.03 | zakkm | i spent so long geting all these apps |
| 04:02.06 | zakkm | and now i gotta flash it lol |
| 04:02.23 | zakkm | mplayer,streamtunmer, maemo blocks, maemo pad, mdictionary,xchat, fbreader etc |
| 04:02.42 | KotCzarny | they are all free and available |
| 04:02.45 | KotCzarny | aren't they? |
| 04:02.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:02.48 | zakkm | yeah |
| 04:02.51 | zakkm | but now i have to redownload? |
| 04:02.54 | zakkm | after i flash |
| 04:02.56 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:02.57 | zakkm | ;p |
| 04:03.03 | KotCzarny | because libs are different |
| 04:03.04 | zakkm | i just added them yesterday |
| 04:03.06 | zakkm | :( |
| 04:03.13 | zakkm | different? really? not just updated? |
| 04:03.28 | johnx | a little of both |
| 04:03.38 | johnx | there was a big API break between OS2007 and OS2008 |
| 04:03.39 | zakkm | hey i was looking at the screenshot section on internttablettalk and ppl are running fluxbox by the looks of it? |
| 04:03.56 | zakkm | johnx : makes 2008 better or worse? |
| 04:03.56 | johnx | link to the screenshot? |
| 04:04.00 | zakkm | onesec |
| 04:04.17 | johnx | just makes it newer. From a programming point of view it should be better |
| 04:04.22 | zakkm | have to find it again ;p |
| 04:05.04 | zakkm | they were talking about openbox rox? rox i believe is a file manager? |
| 04:06.26 | johnx | you can get a lot of crazy stuff running |
| 04:06.28 | zakkm | johnx: http://penguinbait.com/fluxbox.png |
| 04:06.36 | johnx | it's just a linux machine after all |
| 04:06.36 | zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014 |
| 04:06.41 | zakkm | 2nd post or close? |
| 04:06.45 | zakkm | yeah true |
| 04:06.52 | zakkm | but there has to be like limitations? |
| 04:07.01 | johnx | yeah, your time |
| 04:07.10 | johnx | some stuff is a pain to get working |
| 04:07.14 | KotCzarny | vnc |
| 04:07.23 | KotCzarny | is the keyword here |
| 04:07.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:07.24 | johnx | other limitations are memory |
| 04:07.37 | zakkm | lol |
| 04:07.40 | zakkm | does vnc even work well? |
| 04:07.42 | zakkm | on a nokia 770? |
| 04:07.51 | KotCzarny | but hmm |
| 04:08.26 | KotCzarny | on the connected machine it's *box |
| 04:08.34 | zakkm | fluxbox ;p |
| 04:08.37 | zakkm | it says under it |
| 04:08.47 | zakkm | in post |
| 04:09.13 | zakkm | so what nokia's you two have? |
| 04:09.19 | johnx | n800 |
| 04:09.25 | KotCzarny | n800 |
| 04:09.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:09.38 | KotCzarny | and n-gage |
| 04:09.49 | KotCzarny | na 3945 or something |
| 04:09.52 | KotCzarny | *and |
| 04:09.54 | zakkm | lucky |
| 04:09.59 | zakkm | whats na 3945? |
| 04:10.08 | KotCzarny | nokia 3945 |
| 04:10.20 | KotCzarny | number may be wrong |
| 04:10.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:10.53 | zakkm | i love the 2008 UI |
| 04:10.55 | zakkm | the look |
| 04:11.23 | zakkm | how good is vnc on it? |
| 04:11.36 | zakkm | is it worth me setting up? |
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| 04:11.51 | KotCzarny | if you have time for playing around :) |
| 04:11.56 | KotCzarny | then definitely |
| 04:12.19 | zakkm | now i wish i bought a n800 |
| 04:12.30 | zakkm | $85 was good though right? |
| 04:12.34 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 04:12.35 | zakkm | last week? |
| 04:12.39 | zakkm | for 770 |
| 04:12.46 | zakkm | mint condition and all that |
| 04:12.51 | zakkm | havent failed on me at all? |
| 04:12.53 | zakkm | ohh |
| 04:12.58 | zakkm | how do i use non RS-MMC's on it? |
| 04:13.07 | johnx | with a lot of pain |
| 04:13.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:13.15 | zakkm | i went through guides and sites and like yeah but it seems like not worth it |
| 04:13.19 | zakkm | cutting the SD card -.- |
| 04:13.22 | johnx | might not be |
| 04:13.34 | johnx | it depends on how much you want more storage space |
| 04:13.40 | zakkm | the only RS-MMC's i could find was on ebay for like $20 for 2gb from china.. i live in TOronto, ON -.- |
| 04:13.49 | zakkm | i want like 2gb? |
| 04:14.06 | johnx | 2GB would be good |
| 04:14.11 | KotCzarny | 20 bucks isn't your monthly paycheck |
| 04:14.14 | KotCzarny | so it's not bad |
| 04:14.16 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 04:14.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:14.20 | johnx | that's all I have for my n800 |
| 04:14.37 | zakkm | well im 17 year old student |
| 04:14.40 | zakkm | and no job |
| 04:14.43 | zakkm | so yes it is more lol |
| 04:14.55 | zakkm | but then ill need to use someone elses creditcard.. and then wait for it |
| 04:15.00 | zakkm | and hope it works and all that |
| 04:15.01 | johnx | ah, I remember those days of hacking on Linux devices :D I know how you feel |
| 04:15.16 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 04:15.26 | zakkm | theres not many linux devices |
| 04:15.38 | zakkm | handheld's anyways |
| 04:15.46 | johnx | well, there's only a couple that run linux from the start |
| 04:15.56 | zakkm | ipodlinux ;p |
| 04:15.58 | zakkm | lol |
| 04:16.03 | zakkm | xbox orginial |
| 04:16.05 | zakkm | ps3 linux |
| 04:16.15 | zakkm | but nothing really handheld like the nokia's ;p |
| 04:16.22 | johnx | but there's a lot that can run linux: some palms, some ipaqs, some random other winmo devices, |
| 04:16.29 | zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=802&stc=1&d=1200242604 that looks amazing |
| 04:17.25 | zakkm | you know linux right |
| 04:17.30 | zakkm | how hard would it be to run uhm |
| 04:17.38 | zakkm | fluxbox natively? |
| 04:17.41 | zakkm | no vnc or anything |
| 04:17.47 | KotCzarny | needs some hacking |
| 04:17.54 | johnx | what's your linux level? |
| 04:18.00 | KotCzarny | but people run kde etc. |
| 04:18.04 | johnx | do you run it on your desktop? |
| 04:18.05 | KotCzarny | so it's definitely doable |
| 04:18.19 | zakkm | ah |
| 04:18.25 | zakkm | yeah i can do desktop linux |
| 04:18.38 | johnx | are you afraid of the command line? |
| 04:18.41 | zakkm | well i temporary stopped like i tried the newest suse 11.0 beta 1 last week? |
| 04:18.42 | zakkm | no im not |
| 04:18.44 | zakkm | im a irssi fan |
| 04:18.46 | zakkm | oh way |
| 04:18.52 | zakkm | i cant get it running in nokia |
| 04:18.57 | zakkm | i installed it but xterm give sme a error |
| 04:19.04 | zakkm | but i guess it will go when i flash? |
| 04:19.30 | johnx | yup, and there's an irssi package for os2008 but I'm not sure how well it works |
| 04:19.44 | zakkm | irssi + nickcolor script = wickedd :D |
| 04:19.45 | johnx | has been using linux for 10 years and still prefers a graphical irc client |
| 04:19.51 | zakkm | urxvt -tr +sb -fg white |
| 04:19.55 | zakkm | with xcompmgr :D |
| 04:20.01 | zakkm | hah |
| 04:20.05 | zakkm | xchat works fine on my nokia |
| 04:20.10 | zakkm | but i wanted to try irssi on it? |
| 04:20.44 | johnx | well, there's also another route...there are other linux distributions for the 770 |
| 04:20.57 | johnx | you'll need a 2GB rs-mmc card to do that though |
| 04:21.04 | zakkm | ah no |
| 04:21.07 | zakkm | no way lol |
| 04:21.15 | zakkm | well depends the distro |
| 04:21.16 | zakkm | ;p |
| 04:21.20 | johnx | Debian |
| 04:21.28 | zakkm | i thought its already debian? |
| 04:21.37 | zakkm | its based on debian. .the normal one isnt it? |
| 04:21.39 | KotCzarny | in the similiar way ubuntu is debian |
| 04:21.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:21.45 | johnx | they forked off from Debian around 2005 and it's diverged quite a bit |
| 04:21.59 | zakkm | ive never liked debian as a desktop OS |
| 04:22.03 | johnx | KotCzarny, ubuntu and debian are far closer than os2008 and debian sid are |
| 04:22.18 | johnx | zakkm, yup, making things work will involve some hacking |
| 04:22.23 | zakkm | i like Archlinux :D |
| 04:22.24 | KotCzarny | johnx: both are forks developed by independent parties, right? |
| 04:22.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:22.32 | johnx | KotCzarny, not so much |
| 04:22.52 | johnx | look at how many current Debian and Ubuntu packages are exactly the same, maintained by the same guy |
| 04:22.52 | zakkm | johnx: would it run smooth? |
| 04:22.56 | zakkm | not talking gnome/kde lol |
| 04:23.03 | zakkm | just like fluxbox/ awesome/ openbox |
| 04:23.15 | johnx | fluxbox would run fine, I'm sure |
| 04:23.20 | johnx | I've run it on slower machines |
| 04:23.33 | KotCzarny | johnx: in the same way you can install armel packages from debian.org on n8x0 |
| 04:23.50 | johnx | KotCzarny, but you can't really |
| 04:23.51 | zakkm | i would like that.. should take low battery eh? |
| 04:24.01 | KotCzarny | johnx: i did |
| 04:24.03 | johnx | not without a recompile and some dependency tweaks and hacking |
| 04:24.05 | johnx | in most cases |
| 04:24.16 | zakkm | eek |
| 04:24.24 | zakkm | ill save it for another time.. when i had the nokia for long lol |
| 04:24.34 | johnx | zakkm, I was responding to KotCzarny, not you :) |
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| 04:24.45 | zakkm | ah |
| 04:24.47 | johnx | once you actually get debian installed it's just apt-get install fluxbox |
| 04:24.57 | zakkm | wouldnt that work now? |
| 04:25.00 | zakkm | is apt installed? |
| 04:25.07 | zakkm | they use apt dont they |
| 04:25.11 | zakkm | cant i just add a debian repo? |
| 04:25.18 | KotCzarny | it's not your regular linux distro |
| 04:25.20 | KotCzarny | it's hackish |
| 04:25.24 | johnx | it is, but Nokia's ITOS has a different structure and different library versions from Debian |
| 04:25.25 | zakkm | ah |
| 04:25.30 | johnx | KotCzarny, thank you, that's what I was getting at |
| 04:25.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:25.52 | zakkm | omg |
| 04:25.55 | zakkm | i got class in 5 hours |
| 04:25.56 | zakkm | -.- |
| 04:26.00 | zakkm | highschool grade 11.. |
| 04:26.08 | johnx | get some sleep :) |
| 04:26.12 | zakkm | are you guys usually here? |
| 04:26.19 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 04:26.21 | johnx | a lot of the time |
| 04:26.23 | Navi_ | johnx lives in a different time zone |
| 04:26.33 | Navi_ | KotCzarny is _always_ here |
| 04:26.35 | zakkm | oh hi Navi_ |
| 04:26.49 | johnx | I think KotCzarny is two or three people who take shifts |
| 04:26.58 | Navi | Most likely |
| 04:27.03 | KotCzarny | johnx: night has no meaning on net |
| 04:27.14 | KotCzarny | see some guy posting about ugt |
| 04:27.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:27.16 | johnx | yeah, but sleep does |
| 04:27.17 | KotCzarny | ~ugt |
| 04:27.18 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 04:28.01 | zakkm | created by a irc user who wants a excuse why their on so much. |
| 04:28.14 | KotCzarny | no, to stop the flood |
| 04:28.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:28.41 | KotCzarny | and arguments about night and day |
| 04:28.51 | KotCzarny | well, more like morning and evening |
| 04:29.12 | zakkm | well like i said i got class in five hours so im going to bed . ;D |
| 04:29.27 | zakkm | any chance one of you guys can help me flash? tomorrow? |
| 04:29.39 | zakkm | guide me through it? really great with steps? |
| 04:30.03 | johnx | sure, we'll at least get you pointed in the right direction and answer questions |
| 04:30.07 | WormFood | good afternoon everyone :P |
| 04:30.15 | zakkm | Hi Wormfood |
| 04:30.18 | johnx | 'mornin WormFood |
| 04:30.32 | zakkm | johnx: yeah or link me to a guide would be great thanks :P |
| 04:30.55 | zakkm | hey .. im on windows currently .. does flasher work on it? |
| 04:31.00 | zakkm | i can install linux if necessary? |
| 04:31.05 | zakkm | just would like to know |
| 04:31.08 | johnx | you just use the normal windows software updater |
| 04:31.13 | WormFood | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ |
| 04:31.15 | zakkm | oh |
| 04:31.18 | johnx | click next a million times and specify a file |
| 04:31.26 | zakkm | ah ok |
| 04:31.31 | WormFood | I think a majority of users here use Linux |
| 04:31.33 | zakkm | i downloaded it but i didnt have .net frame 2.0/2.5 |
| 04:31.37 | zakkm | so i didnt run |
| 04:31.45 | zakkm | lol to lazy to dl .. i get it tomorrow |
| 04:31.53 | zakkm | Wormfood: i do too .. but i needed windows for awhile |
| 04:32.03 | zakkm | wine doesnt work too well for cinema4d ( animation app ) |
| 04:32.03 | WormFood | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithWindows/ |
| 04:32.11 | WormFood | use vmware |
| 04:32.16 | zakkm | no lol |
| 04:32.24 | zakkm | if anything i use virtualbox with seamless virtualization |
| 04:32.39 | zakkm | and 2nd .. dont have AMD-V / whatever it is for Intel |
| 04:32.43 | zakkm | so the speeds suck :P |
| 04:32.54 | zakkm | and idk my partition system is weird |
| 04:33.01 | zakkm | i got 8 partitions on a 160gb |
| 04:33.06 | johnx | O_o |
| 04:33.15 | zakkm | lol |
| 04:33.21 | zakkm | i dont delete.. i just shrink and create |
| 04:33.26 | zakkm | i had more once |
| 04:33.27 | johnx | ahaha |
| 04:33.36 | zakkm | and its in like ext2, reiserfs, xfs, ntfs , no fat's .. |
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| 04:33.53 | zakkm | and then my 250gb .. i dont remember |
| 04:33.57 | zakkm | the partition table is messed -.- |
| 04:34.02 | zakkm | i think its 3 ntfs's and one xfs |
| 04:34.02 | WormFood | the day microsoft makes a product that don't suck, is the day they make a vacuum |
| 04:34.10 | zakkm | lol |
| 04:34.28 | zakkm | microsoft vaccuum .. to BSOD your house in a simple sweep :P |
| 04:34.36 | zakkm | single sweep* |
| 04:34.48 | zakkm | goodnight everyone ^^;; |
| 04:34.51 | zakkm | thanks everyone ^^ |
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| 04:34.56 | WormFood | good night zakkm |
| 04:35.57 | WormFood | ok, lunch time for me |
| 04:35.59 | johnx | heads out as well... |
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| 04:38.16 | Italodance | hi hi hi hi |
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| 04:42.12 | acydlord | we need to port this to the n810 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/zealous_autoconfig.png |
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| 05:37.08 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Macbook%20Ballmer%20GI.jpg |
| 05:37.42 | KotCzarny | shopped? |
| 05:37.57 | doc|home | there's no way ballmer would be seen with a mac |
| 05:38.01 | KotCzarny | ah, no |
| 05:38.06 | KotCzarny | it looks like some school |
| 05:38.14 | KotCzarny | schools usually use apples |
| 05:38.25 | RST38h | probably shopped... |
| 05:38.43 | RST38h | you mean school gave him a laptop? hmmm |
| 05:38.47 | KotCzarny | there is no ballmer on a photo |
| 05:39.01 | RST38h | there is ballmer at the presentation screen though... |
| 05:39.06 | KotCzarny | only announcment |
| 05:39.52 | RST38h | an dhe may be running vista on his mac! |
| 05:40.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:40.21 | KotCzarny | more like xp? |
| 05:40.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:40.30 | RST38h | heheh |
| 05:41.53 | RST38h | 20fps! |
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| 07:06.49 | woodwizzle | Can I change the resolution of the n800 |
| 07:07.22 | woodwizzle | if for example I want to run at 400x240 to force pixel doubling |
| 07:07.54 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 07:08.21 | woodwizzle | really? I checked the display section of the control panel but I couldn't find it |
| 07:08.36 | woodwizzle | really I just want to run particular apps at that res though if possible |
| 07:08.36 | KotCzarny | ah, not system-wide |
| 07:08.45 | KotCzarny | but if you are writing an app you can |
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| 07:09.32 | woodwizzle | how could I do it system wide? Edit the xorg.conf? |
| 07:09.45 | KotCzarny | it wouldn't work so well |
| 07:10.00 | KotCzarny | res is hardcoded in many places i think |
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| 07:10.38 | KotCzarny | if you want to try how misc apps look at 480x800 install screen rotation hack |
| 07:11.19 | woodwizzle | hehe, thats not exactly what i need =) |
| 07:11.35 | KotCzarny | but you will see the problem with changing res system wide |
| 07:11.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:12.17 | woodwizzle | oh i getcha |
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| 08:00.22 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:00.31 | X-Fade | Morning. |
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| 08:21.58 | nomis | X-Fade: moin. How long does it usually take until uploaded packages end up in maemo-extras? I guess it is not a completely automated process? |
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| 08:33.37 | X-Fade | nomis: It is setup to run once per hour at least. |
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| 08:34.56 | nomis | X-Fade: mhm. Could you look if there is a aproblem with the statusbarclock upload? |
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| 08:35.40 | X-Fade | nomis: Ok, I'll have a look. |
| 08:36.54 | nomis | X-Fade: thanks |
| 08:36.58 | X-Fade | nomis: chinook? |
| 08:37.02 | nomis | yes. |
| 08:38.11 | X-Fade | It was accepted by the queuemanager and moved to extras. |
| 08:38.41 | nomis | mhm, it does not seem to end up in the package list of my device. |
| 08:39.08 | X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages <- I see it here |
| 08:39.30 | X-Fade | Filename: pool/chinook/free/s/statusbarclock/statusbarclock_0.8_armel.deb |
| 08:39.30 | X-Fade | Size: 7622 |
| 08:39.30 | X-Fade | MD5sum: 1caf8c20e32901bfadc3549ec3167f01 |
| 08:40.06 | nomis | maybe the Section "user/utils" is obsolete. |
| 08:40.29 | X-Fade | Do you see it with apt-get? |
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| 08:43.28 | nomis | realizes that he did not yet enable root access... |
| 08:43.40 | X-Fade | red pill? |
| 08:44.07 | X-Fade | Let me try to install it. |
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| 08:46.02 | florian | good morning |
| 08:46.39 | X-Fade | nomis: It is there and installed fine. |
| 08:46.45 | nomis | X-Fade: ok, weird. |
| 08:47.18 | X-Fade | And it was in utils. |
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| 08:50.07 | nomis | ok, seems my application manager is somehow messed up. |
| 08:51.05 | nomis | Maybe it got confused by a locally installed package that suddenly turned up in a repository. |
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| 08:51.31 | X-Fade | nomis: Then it should only show up at installed applications. |
| 08:51.51 | nomis | yeah, I tried to deinstall it and the app manager refused to do it properly though. |
| 08:52.02 | nomis | After a restart of the device it worked then. |
| 08:52.06 | nomis | X-Fade: thanks for looking. |
| 08:53.15 | X-Fade | No problem. I want more people to upload to extras, I'll try to help debug problems when they try. |
| 08:53.25 | nomis | X-Fade: I appreciate it. |
| 08:53.55 | X-Fade | nomis: Can you try to upload your source package to the autobuilder too? So we can test it some more? |
| 08:54.25 | nomis | X-Fade: can't it just get the source package from maemo-extras? |
| 08:54.43 | nomis | (or am I missing the point?) |
| 08:54.44 | X-Fade | nomis: Well, it is supposed to work the other way around ;) |
| 08:54.55 | nomis | heh :) |
| 08:55.10 | nomis | ok, what would I have to do? |
| 08:55.13 | X-Fade | Ideally you should only upload source packages and the autobuilder should do ther rest ;) |
| 08:55.58 | X-Fade | The easiest way is the assistant: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php or you can use dput as described here: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html |
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| 09:04.44 | nomis | X-Fade: I have some problems at the moment - my files are in an inconsistent state and I currently don't have the time at hand to fix this. However, I'll try to keep this in mind. |
| 09:05.37 | X-Fade | nomis: Ok, no problem. |
| 09:06.14 | nomis | adds the chinook extras builder to dput.cf |
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| 10:09.37 | trickie_ | AStorm: did changing the machine id in arch/arm/tools/mach-types allow you to boot a 2.6.25-omap1 kernel? |
| 10:14.05 | AStorm | don't know yet |
| 10:14.56 | AStorm | there is an id for N810 |
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| 10:22.48 | hrw | morning |
| 10:22.56 | johnx | 'mornin |
| 10:23.16 | hrw | AStorm: how goes kernel? |
| 10:25.24 | AStorm | hrw: it works in qemu, but not on the device |
| 10:25.35 | AStorm | I'll send it to you for serial testing |
| 10:26.10 | acydlord | this whole new church spires as cell towers thing kinda reeks of hypocircy to me |
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| 10:26.18 | acydlord | and i cant spell |
| 10:26.37 | AStorm | acydlord: *speel ;) |
| 10:28.01 | AStorm | hrw: I guess there's some bug in n810 init code, as the qemu emulates n800 |
| 10:28.23 | johnx | acydlord, yeah, I just read the article. The guy's an idiot. |
| 10:28.27 | trickie_ | AStorm: there is also a patch on the omap list to enable the TSC2301 drivers when using n800_defconfig |
| 10:28.59 | acydlord | i'm looking through places on waymarking.com, and there are a ton of churches in az with cell towers as spires |
| 10:29.20 | AStorm | trickie: I prob. have these in |
| 10:29.22 | AStorm | will check |
| 10:29.32 | AStorm | but the FB should still start w/o it |
| 10:30.22 | trickie_ | AStorm: yep, as long as you fix the machine id |
| 10:31.00 | AStorm | machine ID is ok, duh |
| 10:31.10 | AStorm | there is an ID for N810 inside |
| 10:31.38 | johnx | trickie, probably the best way to soak up cell phone "radiation" is to put one up to your head when there aren't any towers nearby. The phone will boost the power on it's radio to try and reach towers that are barely within it's range |
| 10:32.30 | AStorm | johnx: that and head is fairly resistant to radiation |
| 10:32.36 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 10:32.55 | AStorm | trickie: nokia_n810 MACH_NOKIA_N810 NOKIA_N810 1548 |
| 10:32.59 | trickie_ | AStorm: yep nokia bootlooder still passes development machine id, but i guess that was you who asked on the list :) |
| 10:33.10 | trickie_ | yep change that to 5555 |
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| 10:33.29 | lardman | morning |
| 10:34.01 | AStorm | ok |
| 10:34.06 | AStorm | Yay, fixing... |
| 10:34.16 | pupnik_ | how many milliwatt do cellphones emit? |
| 10:34.36 | pupnik_ | and would having a 802.11 antenna close to body be dangerous? :) |
| 10:34.52 | acydlord | which 802.11 revision? |
| 10:34.55 | AStorm | pupnik_: up to 100mW |
| 10:35.13 | AStorm | 802.11 might produce burns if it's powerful enough |
| 10:35.17 | AStorm | microwaves ;P |
| 10:35.32 | johnx | er...I thought older analog phones would go up to almost a full watt |
| 10:35.40 | acydlord | my old wrt-g was pushing 2.4ghz @ 400mW |
| 10:35.40 | johnx | 802.11 is like an order of magnitude less |
| 10:35.51 | AStorm | trickie_: YAY, SUCCESS!!!!!! |
| 10:35.56 | johnx | woo! |
| 10:35.57 | AStorm | now I'm in the shell |
| 10:35.57 | aquatix | acydlord: you can tweak those i think |
| 10:35.57 | trickie_ | wooo |
| 10:36.00 | johnx | AStorm, it lives?! |
| 10:36.07 | AStorm | yes |
| 10:36.10 | aquatix | acydlord: at least, i have firmware in which i can set the wattage |
| 10:36.17 | acydlord | yeah aquatix it was origionally at 170mW |
| 10:36.17 | AStorm | hrw: the machine ID was wrong |
| 10:36.20 | aquatix | it's about 70mW |
| 10:36.22 | johnx | AStorm, that's awesome. congrats |
| 10:36.26 | aquatix | acydlord: ouch |
| 10:36.27 | aquatix | :) |
| 10:36.39 | AStorm | now, time for more hax |
| 10:36.46 | acydlord | 400mW on a router supposedly violates fcc regs |
| 10:36.57 | AStorm | no, it doesn't |
| 10:37.18 | AStorm | they must pass special tests then |
| 10:37.18 | trickie_ | AStorm: well machine id was right, nokia shipped a bootloader still using the development machine id |
| 10:37.25 | AStorm | owned |
| 10:37.28 | AStorm | :> |
| 10:37.31 | trickie_ | :) |
| 10:38.02 | AStorm | ~lart Nokia bootloader |
| 10:38.03 | infobot | cuts off Nokia bootloader's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 10:38.35 | AStorm | I could set the machine id with the flasher, right? |
| 10:38.51 | trickie_ | not sure |
| 10:38.59 | trickie_ | don't have my dev setup here at work |
| 10:39.01 | acydlord | oh snap, 802.11 is allowed to be 1watt or less |
| 10:39.11 | AStorm | acydlord: yup |
| 10:39.23 | aquatix | wow |
| 10:39.25 | AStorm | but it has to be defocused then |
| 10:39.30 | acydlord | 1watt or less with <=6dbi gain |
| 10:39.37 | AStorm | yes |
| 10:39.38 | aquatix | i could swamp my neighbourhood with signal with that |
| 10:39.46 | AStorm | nope |
| 10:39.57 | AStorm | too unfocused |
| 10:40.07 | aquatix | small neighbourhood :P |
| 10:40.11 | AStorm | hhehehe |
| 10:40.21 | aquatix | at 70mW i already have a really decent reception |
| 10:40.35 | acydlord | i think my previous setup may be in violation of the fcc regs |
| 10:40.42 | acydlord | 400mW with a 12dbi |
| 10:40.44 | trickie_ | AStorm: if you can specify machine id in the cmdline then yes |
| 10:41.39 | AStorm | I can specify something called hw revision |
| 10:41.51 | AStorm | is that it? |
| 10:42.02 | AStorm | nah, not |
| 10:42.06 | trickie_ | nah |
| 10:42.12 | trickie_ | i think thats RX-34 etc |
| 10:42.15 | AStorm | yes |
| 10:42.31 | AStorm | acydlord: no, it's not |
| 10:42.40 | acydlord | yeah, i borked my math |
| 10:42.51 | acydlord | big time |
| 10:42.58 | AStorm | I'd love to have 1W at high dbi |
| 10:43.06 | AStorm | microwave gun anyone? :P |
| 10:43.21 | aquatix | fry that annoying neighbour from a distance :) |
| 10:43.36 | acydlord | tesla deathray? |
| 10:43.38 | AStorm | well, air attenuates microwaves |
| 10:43.43 | AStorm | acydlord: no, microwave |
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| 10:44.29 | AStorm | 100W focused emitter would be quite a hurt ;P |
| 10:44.34 | acydlord | yeah |
| 10:44.42 | Cptn-N800 | Someone port notepad to maemo and let it import any file no matter if it think it will work or not :/ |
| 10:45.00 | AStorm | Cptn-N800: use less |
| 10:45.04 | AStorm | or vim |
| 10:45.13 | acydlord | or leafpad |
| 10:45.22 | AStorm | and I think gedit is available too |
| 10:45.38 | Cptn-N800 | I need to open a opml file as text |
| 10:45.48 | aquatix | geany! |
| 10:46.24 | AStorm | acydlord: crispy people |
| 10:46.40 | acydlord | 1000W with a high gain |
| 10:46.43 | AStorm | we had to heavily shield a 5W emitter for testing ;P |
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| 10:47.24 | AStorm | acydlord: well, you mean, like, rip out and focus the emitter from microwave oven? ;P |
| 10:47.32 | AStorm | but that wouldn't be portable |
| 10:47.35 | acydlord | true |
| 10:47.39 | AStorm | at least, not man-portable |
| 10:47.57 | acydlord | i once watched someone almost walk in front of a wan dish on top of the asu engineering building |
| 10:48.06 | AStorm | huggles trickie |
| 10:48.12 | AStorm | thanks once again |
| 10:48.54 | trickie_ | he he |
| 10:48.55 | trickie_ | np |
| 10:49.13 | trickie_ | the video driver is still borked IIRC |
| 10:49.20 | trickie_ | so i might have a bash at fixing that up |
| 10:49.21 | AStorm | ok,time to check if the hacked wifi driver works |
| 10:49.39 | AStorm | well, it doesn't respond to manual update ioctls? |
| 10:49.42 | aquatix | acydlord: reminds me of stories of the ground radar we have here |
| 10:50.01 | aquatix | you don't want to walk in front of that when it's on full power ;) |
| 10:50.04 | trickie_ | it doesn't build |
| 10:50.08 | acydlord | lol |
| 10:50.17 | aquatix | birds falling out of the sky and such :/ |
| 10:50.17 | AStorm | trickie_: the omap2 one does |
| 10:50.26 | AStorm | omap24xx-cam that is |
| 10:50.30 | AStorm | after I patched it |
| 10:50.36 | AStorm | want the patch? (real simple) |
| 10:50.47 | AStorm | I've a patch for bluetooth too |
| 10:51.19 | trickie_ | AStorm: sure... |
| 10:51.58 | AStorm | http://www.wklej.org/id/85144521fe - the full diff vs head |
| 10:52.18 | trickie_ | AStorm: ta |
| 10:52.26 | acydlord | man i hope they atleast add a 1mp or greater cam to the next IT |
| 10:52.46 | AStorm | :> |
| 10:52.58 | AStorm | and rotatable one? |
| 10:53.05 | AStorm | (like in N800, but better) |
| 10:53.16 | qwerty12 | N800 one was fine. |
| 10:53.20 | qwerty12 | Rotation wise that is. |
| 10:53.23 | johnx | hopefully they have some better surplus cams this time :D |
| 10:53.38 | acydlord | the cam on the n95 would be nice |
| 10:53.53 | trickie_ | AStorm: thanks, i had similar changes except for the video driver... |
| 10:54.09 | trickie_ | AStorm: you should get them merged in linux-omap1 |
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| 10:54.52 | hrw | AStorm: hw revision is version of n800/n810 ardware |
| 10:55.08 | hrw | AStorm: n810 has 801/2/3/4 and 901/2 iirc versions |
| 10:55.10 | AStorm | hrw: yes... there's no easy way to set that ID |
| 10:55.17 | AStorm | 805 too :> |
| 10:55.48 | AStorm | trickie_: I will post the patch to the list after splitting it up |
| 10:56.39 | hrw | AStorm: so which kernel youhave? 2.6.25-omap? |
| 10:57.40 | AStorm | now, 2.6.25-omap1 |
| 10:57.45 | trickie_ | AStorm: cool |
| 10:58.23 | AStorm | Ok, time for more hacking and disabling of initramfs |
| 10:58.32 | AStorm | let it load one from OneNAND :> |
| 10:58.38 | trickie_ | AStorm: my MMC driver is busted also... but i haven't had a chance to look into it yet |
| 10:58.58 | AStorm | hm? |
| 10:59.04 | AStorm | I think it isn't that broken |
| 10:59.20 | AStorm | If you mean 2.6.21-nokia-ported, then yes, that needs work to port |
| 10:59.35 | AStorm | git couldn't pick up the renames |
| 10:59.39 | trickie_ | nah just mainline one |
| 10:59.49 | AStorm | hmm? |
| 10:59.50 | trickie_ | haven't played too much since the other day |
| 11:00.30 | AStorm | btw, I wondered why the serial console wasn't working |
| 11:00.33 | AStorm | headdesks |
| 11:00.38 | AStorm | STI was disabled |
| 11:00.44 | hrw | ;D |
| 11:00.47 | trickie_ | :) |
| 11:01.03 | trickie_ | well, back to work for me, good luck |
| 11:01.20 | hrw | waits for memtest to finish |
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| 11:06.17 | AStorm | btw, Menelaus seems to have an RTC built-in |
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| 11:08.21 | trickie_ | AStorm: you going to linuxtag? |
| 11:08.23 | hrw | AStorm: do you have your git tree published somewhere? |
| 11:09.14 | AStorm | trickie_: sorry, can't |
| 11:09.20 | AStorm | hrw: it's normal linux-omap head |
| 11:09.23 | AStorm | plus that patch |
| 11:09.26 | AStorm | so no need for it yet :> |
| 11:09.35 | hrw | AStorm: btw - where are you from? |
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| 11:10.53 | AStorm | hrw: ofc PL |
| 11:11.08 | AStorm | currently in Warsaw, but from Gorzów Wielkopolski |
| 11:11.10 | hrw | AStorm: .pl is big country... |
| 11:11.18 | hrw | in Poznañ now |
| 11:12.22 | AStorm | I'll go home for the national holidays, not that far |
| 11:13.37 | hrw | I will drive through Gorzów on Saturday |
| 11:14.21 | AStorm | hm |
| 11:14.46 | hrw | but no break there |
| 11:14.49 | AStorm | I'll test if kexec works :> |
| 11:14.53 | AStorm | no problem |
| 11:14.56 | qwerty12 | AStorm, great :) |
| 11:15.03 | AStorm | a pity I won't be able to go to LinuxTag |
| 11:15.11 | AStorm | exams then ;P |
| 11:15.40 | qwerty12 | I've got my mock exams this week. |
| 11:16.45 | AStorm | hmm, omap24xx-cam uses a bit unsafe spinlocking scheme ;P |
| 11:17.44 | AStorm | while tsc2102 does something weird with hwmon_remove_device |
| 11:19.45 | AStorm | ok, MMC code is broken |
| 11:19.49 | AStorm | got a BUG |
| 11:20.11 | AStorm | need to grab that off the device |
| 11:20.11 | Cptn-N800 | Maemo bugspray |
| 11:21.02 | AStorm | I wonder if netconsole will work |
| 11:21.19 | hrw | AStorm: over usbnet? |
| 11:21.39 | AStorm | yes |
| 11:21.43 | AStorm | over g_ether |
| 11:21.57 | hrw | interesting use |
| 11:22.14 | hrw | I have usb ethernet dongle |
| 11:22.41 | AStorm | I have one too |
| 11:22.53 | AStorm | but I don't have a gender bender cable yet |
| 11:23.37 | hrw | I have to buy one too |
| 11:23.38 | AStorm | oh shi* |
| 11:23.47 | AStorm | the device now has the battery discharged |
| 11:23.55 | hrw | then will check how maemo handle all my usb devices at once |
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| 11:29.47 | AStorm | hmm, something happened here |
| 11:29.56 | AStorm | I can't get the device to respond to USB |
| 11:29.57 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:30.07 | AStorm | e.g. for flashing |
| 11:30.31 | hrw | thats punishment for tryiung newqer kernels |
| 11:30.36 | AStorm | naaah |
| 11:30.42 | AStorm | that should be handled by NOLO |
| 11:31.01 | AStorm | the problem is that I only get the Nokia screen for a short while |
| 11:31.09 | AStorm | I suspect the battery is discharged |
| 11:31.23 | AStorm | but, will it charge with the device off? |
| 11:31.24 | AStorm | ;P |
| 11:31.26 | hrw | AStorm: try to boot poky instead of maemo |
| 11:31.35 | trickie_ | i had no issue flashing 2.6.25-omap1 |
| 11:31.40 | trickie_ | but then my battery was full |
| 11:31.41 | AStorm | hrw: if you tell me how to flash it *now* then... ;P |
| 11:31.41 | hrw | AStorm: first boot 2.6.21, charge battery |
| 11:31.48 | AStorm | hrw: first flash 2.6.21? |
| 11:31.54 | AStorm | whoops, Alderson loop |
| 11:32.07 | AStorm | I have a problem here ;P |
| 11:32.21 | hrw | AStorm: flash 2.6.21 to check battery, charge it (no control charge on !maemo) |
| 11:32.29 | acydlord | anyone know how to change the "Home" location in mapper? |
| 11:32.30 | AStorm | ... |
| 11:32.30 | hrw | AStorm: how to flash when usb is not responding? |
| 11:32.48 | AStorm | hrw: the problem is that the device is shutting down because of lack of power |
| 11:32.58 | AStorm | and I can't charge it |
| 11:33.14 | hrw | AStorm: and you do not have oter device with this battery\ |
| 11:33.19 | AStorm | no |
| 11:33.26 | trickie_ | oh no |
| 11:33.38 | johnx | ugh...an external battery charger may be in your future... |
| 11:33.43 | hrw | AStorm: you are grounded |
| 11:33.49 | AStorm | hrw: not nearly so |
| 11:33.59 | AStorm | I could buy a new battery (wanted to do that anyway ;P ) |
| 11:33.59 | hrw | AStorm: go to gsm shops and buy 3rdparty charger for battery |
| 11:34.10 | AStorm | there are none, I've checked many |
| 11:34.20 | AStorm | there aren't any on the net, even |
| 11:34.21 | qwerty12 | Buy a new phone? :p |
| 11:34.36 | AStorm | qwerty12: lol |
| 11:34.40 | AStorm | 1500 PLN |
| 11:34.53 | AStorm | or an expensive plan |
| 11:35.05 | AStorm | I will buy one, but in June |
| 11:35.41 | AStorm | I could buy a battery and hope it's pre-charged :> |
| 11:35.53 | hrw | AStorm: bad luck then. for bl-5c there were chargers on allegro |
| 11:36.01 | AStorm | yep |
| 11:36.13 | AStorm | I could actually adapt bl-5c to bl-4c |
| 11:36.18 | qwerty12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.19 | AStorm | the difference is in size I think |
| 11:36.32 | AStorm | qwerty12: I don't |
| 11:36.39 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 11:36.41 | AStorm | it crashes after some 5s |
| 11:37.20 | AStorm | feels so stupid about forgetting to charge the battery |
| 11:37.42 | hrw | 1.6GHz pentium M + 5400rpm harddrive is killing combo... |
| 11:38.08 | hrw | upgrading system (537MB of packages) + git pull (600k revs) + unpacking kernel tarball == slow mess |
| 11:38.15 | AStorm | I know what I could do |
| 11:38.28 | AStorm | ask some gsm shop owner to let me charge the battery ;P |
| 11:38.39 | hrw | yep |
| 11:38.55 | qwerty12 | Are they kinder in Poland than over here? I bet in East London, I'd have to pay :P |
| 11:39.06 | AStorm | I'd probably have to pay here too |
| 11:39.11 | AStorm | it depends on the shop |
| 11:39.13 | johnx | if I was closer I'd offer to mail you a charged battery in return for your flat one... |
| 11:39.26 | johnx | any friends with Nokia phones? |
| 11:39.29 | hrw | AStorm: or find who from your friends has phone with tose batteries |
| 11:39.43 | AStorm | hrw: I'll ask, why not |
| 11:39.50 | AStorm | but the problem might be, that phone is in use ;P |
| 11:40.12 | AStorm | the hell |
| 11:40.20 | AStorm | this Nokia automatically now blinks |
| 11:40.25 | hrw | worht check anyywa |
| 11:40.26 | AStorm | charger is trying to get it up |
| 11:40.50 | AStorm | I'll better disconnect it before it destroys the battery |
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| 11:41.14 | qwerty12 | You don't have any serial flasher cables lying around? :/ |
| 11:41.48 | AStorm | I won't be able to flash the kernel in 2s |
| 11:41.59 | AStorm | (the initrd does have dsme and bme working) |
| 11:43.12 | AStorm | is the BP-4L a smart battery with charge mechanism built in? |
| 11:43.26 | AStorm | I mean, only provide stable 3,7V and it will charge? |
| 11:44.04 | qwerty12 | I think it's a bit of a stupid system, having charging depend on initfs. (not even the initfs, it boots into full system). If my W810 is EROM dead, (useless without service cable), it will still charge at lower voltage but not come on. |
| 11:44.30 | hrw | qwerty12: software charging control is cheaper then hardware? |
| 11:44.35 | johnx | yeah, Nokia's charging system seems a little braindead... |
| 11:44.37 | AStorm | not much cheaper |
| 11:45.38 | johnx | "not much cheaper" x "lots of devices" = "a decent chunk of cash" |
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| 11:46.19 | trickie_ | well im gonna charge by battery as soon as i get home :) |
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| 11:46.38 | qwerty12 | I think johnx got it there. As for me, I'm still having trouble with sb1 and hardy. I've fixed vmware to run in hardy so I'm gonna jack the sbox out of that. |
| 11:46.41 | trickie_ | hopes there is still enough juice to flash 2.6.21 kernel |
| 11:47.03 | AStorm | here? not |
| 11:47.04 | AStorm | :> |
| 11:47.19 | trickie_ | damn |
| 11:47.50 | johnx | well at least the battery is "user replaceable" |
| 11:48.02 | AStorm | a generic li-poly charger costs like, 20$ |
| 11:48.19 | qwerty12 | Yeah, imagine if that happened on iphone... |
| 11:49.32 | Navi | \o/ |
| 11:50.43 | Navi | Everyone knows that you need to pay for warranty to replace your battery |
| 11:50.52 | Navi | That's the best way to do it |
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| 11:52.02 | johnx | there's nothing like the seamless user experience of being without your phone for a couple weeks just 'cause your battery died :) |
| 11:52.07 | Navi | It's only US$69 for two years, after all. |
| 11:52.27 | Navi | Lol |
| 11:53.16 | Navi | Ha, It's US$60 + $7 shipping to replace your battery out of warranty |
| 11:53.23 | AStorm | Ok, I know now how Li-Poly should be charged |
| 11:53.25 | Navi | What a rip |
| 11:53.35 | AStorm | 0,8-1 * Vc |
| 11:53.47 | AStorm | until it's rated voltage (3,7-4V) |
| 11:54.09 | AStorm | then charged with that voltage until the current falls below 100mA |
| 11:54.27 | AStorm | Vc is capacity in Ah, but in volts |
| 11:55.01 | AStorm | maybe 0,5C even |
| 11:55.17 | AStorm | I could charge it... from battery then, at least partially |
| 11:55.28 | AStorm | attach 1,5V AA |
| 11:55.55 | AStorm | that might be too much |
| 11:56.03 | AStorm | maybe even 1,2V might be too much |
| 11:56.28 | AStorm | but that's at least close |
| 11:57.25 | qwerty12 | now goes to mount vmware image in Ubuntu. he realises he needs to be careful as he messed up a working sbox install in 7.10 by copying badly. |
| 11:57.57 | Navi | :P |
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| 12:39.43 | AStorm | hmm, it should be possible to charge that Li-Poly with a standard single NiMH |
| 12:39.55 | AStorm | the question remains: what will be the current? |
| 12:41.37 | RST38h | more current! MORE CURRENT! |
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| 12:51.42 | Juhaz | eh? |
| 12:52.56 | Juhaz | you've got 3700mAh "standard NiMH"? that's what it would take to get charge the lipo, even if we took the rather unrealistic assumption that it's 100% efficient |
| 12:55.22 | Juhaz | remember the voltages are different, just because you see huge-looking amper hour ratings on nimh batteries doesn't mean they hold as much energy. |
| 12:56.10 | X-Fade | Juhaz: He just needs a little bit of charge in his battery to be able to flash the right kernel back into his device. |
| 12:58.28 | Juhaz | ah, didn't read the first part of the discussion. sounds like spectacularly bad idea... |
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| 12:58.45 | X-Fade | Heh :) |
| 12:59.35 | johnx | charging "raw" li-po or li-ion cells like that is a recipe for disaster, but if it's a smart cell it should just need the right voltage and "do the right thing" |
| 13:00.06 | johnx | emphasis on *should* |
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| 13:04.43 | Juhaz | get a friend with 810/e61i/e90 to charge it? |
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| 13:13.55 | AStorm | Juhaz: find me one |
| 13:14.01 | AStorm | it's not sold in this country |
| 13:14.24 | AStorm | finding a friend with a proper phone would be easier |
| 13:15.05 | X-Fade | AStorm: Get a battery from ebay for a few bucks? :) I'm pretty sure it woudn't burst into flames before you have flashed your kernel. After that though... |
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| 13:17.25 | AStorm | X-Fade: e-bay in Poland? you must be kidding me |
| 13:17.26 | inz | AStorm, can't you plug it in charger for the flashing? |
| 13:17.29 | AStorm | BP-4L, baybe |
| 13:17.39 | AStorm | inz: no, it starts from battery |
| 13:17.47 | AStorm | the charger is enabled later |
| 13:17.50 | hrw | X-Fade: there is e-bay in Poland but nearly no one sells there |
| 13:17.52 | AStorm | braindamage |
| 13:18.04 | inz | AStorm, doesn't it even help it to stay alive? |
| 13:18.09 | AStorm | slightly |
| 13:18.15 | AStorm | I managed to flash the nokia kernel |
| 13:18.18 | AStorm | but not the initfs |
| 13:18.21 | X-Fade | AStorm: 11 dollar for 2 batteries SHIPPED from hong kong ;) |
| 13:18.23 | inz | doh |
| 13:18.32 | Juhaz | throw in another buck and you'll get standalone charger with that knockoff battery, which might even work... |
| 13:18.39 | X-Fade | That is an insane price ;) |
| 13:18.40 | AStorm | X-Fade: I'd rather take my chances and charge using NiMH |
| 13:18.43 | hrw | X-Fade: 100mA ones? |
| 13:18.51 | X-Fade | hrw: 1500 mah.. |
| 13:18.54 | AStorm | 1000mAh -> about 500mA charge at 1,2V |
| 13:18.57 | X-Fade | Or so they claim.. |
| 13:19.02 | AStorm | shouldn't kill the battery |
| 13:19.14 | Atarii | are you polish AStorm? |
| 13:19.14 | hrw | X-Fade: too often 1500mAh those batteries has on sticker only |
| 13:19.18 | AStorm | (lowering to 200mA) |
| 13:19.30 | X-Fade | AStorm: Lipos are normally charged at about 1C. |
| 13:19.31 | AStorm | Atarii: no, I'm Javanese? Sure, Polish. |
| 13:19.45 | X-Fade | AStorm: Anything lower should not be a problem.. |
| 13:19.45 | AStorm | X-Fade: you mean voltage or current? |
| 13:19.58 | X-Fade | current. |
| 13:20.00 | qwerty12 | Everyone asks AStorm if he is from Poland :p |
| 13:20.09 | AStorm | mhm, so 1A shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:20.24 | AStorm | so, I can charge it with NiMH |
| 13:20.26 | X-Fade | AStorm: But that is for lipos without circuits.. |
| 13:20.35 | AStorm | no problem then anyway |
| 13:20.48 | AStorm | it should accept the low current |
| 13:21.02 | AStorm | and 0,8C voltage |
| 13:21.18 | AStorm | but, I don't have proper cables on me |
| 13:21.34 | AStorm | let's see if I can find some |
| 13:21.38 | X-Fade | AStorm: Paperclip? |
| 13:21.42 | X-Fade | ;) |
| 13:21.45 | AStorm | X-Fade: ;P |
| 13:21.48 | AStorm | good idea |
| 13:22.00 | AStorm | but attaching that to the power port will be hard |
| 13:23.10 | X-Fade | Nah, you are setting yourself up for a short that way.. |
| 13:23.18 | AStorm | yes, exactly |
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| 13:23.26 | AStorm | I could use some duct tape for isolation |
| 13:23.37 | X-Fade | And shorting lipos is NOT what you want to do.. |
| 13:23.43 | AStorm | I know |
| 13:25.38 | AStorm | haha, battery portals are large enough to NOT short them |
| 13:25.46 | AStorm | and enter normal paperclip in |
| 13:25.54 | AStorm | this is weird... |
| 13:26.18 | X-Fade | shouldn't have proposed the paperclip ;) |
| 13:26.41 | trickie_ | :) |
| 13:27.10 | X-Fade | Perpaps you can also set 3 batteries in series in parellel over your battery ;) |
| 13:27.28 | Juhaz | you could also try dynamite |
| 13:27.28 | X-Fade | Oh, there I go again.. |
| 13:27.39 | RST38h | wonders whether it is better to encourage AStorm's plans or talk him away form them |
| 13:27.43 | Juhaz | please tell you've at least got protective glasses when you blow it up? |
| 13:27.59 | trickie_ | AStorm: if worst comes to worst, you can mail it to me (amsterdam) and ill charge it for you |
| 13:28.02 | RST38h | From the natural selection point of view, I mean... |
| 13:28.23 | AStorm | nah, Li-Poly won't explode that violently |
| 13:28.32 | AStorm | and I've got a voltmeter on me |
| 13:28.34 | AStorm | ;> |
| 13:28.41 | X-Fade | AStorm: Proabably only give a big flame. |
| 13:28.47 | AStorm | yes |
| 13:28.49 | RST38h | It will burn, very big and hot flame too |
| 13:28.58 | X-Fade | It only explodes when it can't release the presure.. |
| 13:29.03 | AStorm | and hard to extinguish |
| 13:29.12 | AStorm | lithium, water aggravates it ;P |
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| 13:29.13 | RST38h | And if you also drop it into the water.... |
| 13:29.23 | RST38h | Yea, AStorm, go ahead, by all means |
| 13:29.25 | AStorm | RST38h: I'm NOT stupid, thank you ;) |
| 13:29.33 | RST38h | Do set up a webcam, will ya? =) |
| 13:29.48 | AStorm | I have one, but not the correct paperclips |
| 13:29.57 | AStorm | wait till I set up the gear |
| 13:30.03 | RST38h | BTW, pretty much all Li-based batteries are smart |
| 13:30.17 | AStorm | shiz |
| 13:30.28 | RST38h | Exactly to prevent this kind of accidents |
| 13:30.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: Not the ones I use for my RC heli. Those are regular bombs ;) |
| 13:30.40 | AStorm | forgot I gave all the AAA NiMH to my brother |
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| 13:30.52 | AStorm | or maybe not all, better check |
| 13:31.11 | AStorm | yeah, have some 800mAh still |
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| 13:32.16 | AStorm | have to charge them still |
| 13:32.29 | AStorm | so wait a few hours ;P |
| 13:33.00 | trickie_ | he he http://www.metacafe.com/watch/788668/worlds_most_dangerous_battery/ |
| 13:33.08 | trickie_ | god i hope mine still has charge |
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| 13:35.14 | AStorm | hehehe |
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| 13:35.23 | AStorm | actually, that won't happen |
| 13:35.31 | AStorm | I'll charge with a max current of 800mA |
| 13:35.45 | X-Fade | This way of overcharging is prevented by the circuit inside the battery. |
| 13:35.47 | AStorm | which is just above 0,5C |
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| 13:36.01 | AStorm | and voltage of 1,2V, which is close to 0,8C |
| 13:36.06 | AStorm | so, this can't happen |
| 13:36.11 | AStorm | it won't charge fully of course |
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| 13:36.22 | X-Fade | AStorm: If it charges at all ;) |
| 13:36.26 | AStorm | it should |
| 13:36.36 | AStorm | unless I need a voltage step-up |
| 13:36.43 | AStorm | then I can use these in series |
| 13:37.40 | AStorm | usually the charge is increasing voltage, then decreasing current |
| 13:38.07 | AStorm | aka, CC-CV |
| 13:38.35 | AStorm | the problem is that I can't provide smoothly increasing voltage |
| 13:38.36 | AStorm | :> |
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| 13:40.01 | AStorm | wait, do I have a potentiometer on me? |
| 13:41.44 | aquatix | AStorm: wet fingers? |
| 13:41.51 | aquatix | tounge? |
| 13:41.51 | AStorm | no |
| 13:41.56 | AStorm | no and no |
| 13:41.59 | AStorm | ... |
| 13:42.04 | aquatix | you don't have your tounge on you? |
| 13:42.05 | aquatix | hm :) |
| 13:42.10 | AStorm | I need resistance, not conductance |
| 13:42.23 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 13:42.35 | elb | wet fingers and a tongue are both rather resistive ;-) |
| 13:42.40 | aquatix | put some rubbers over your tounge |
| 13:42.45 | aquatix | *tongue |
| 13:42.48 | aquatix | can't type today |
| 13:42.51 | AStorm | elb: not that much |
| 13:43.05 | AStorm | aquatix: that would be a capacitor, dummy |
| 13:43.26 | aquatix | potayto potahto :P |
| 13:43.33 | aquatix | is more a software person ;) |
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| 13:45.14 | AStorm | ok, I fail, I have no potentiometer on hand |
| 13:45.23 | AStorm | will have to go to the lab tomorrow and borrow one |
| 13:45.35 | AStorm | added benefit is availability of scopes |
| 13:46.09 | elb | I guess it's all relative |
| 13:46.13 | AStorm | and proper connectors |
| 13:46.39 | AStorm | plus I'll get all the dumb cheap elements I can, so can build a rudimentary full charge circuit |
| 13:47.16 | X-Fade | AStorm: Another option is to warm your battery up to get that little extra power. |
| 13:47.25 | X-Fade | But don't warm it up too much ;) |
| 13:47.28 | AStorm | X-Fade: and destroy it too? yeah sure :> |
| 13:47.37 | AStorm | actually, s/warm/cool/ ;) |
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| 13:47.45 | RST38h | AStormL You are already well on your way toward destroying the battery |
| 13:47.54 | RST38h | Sooner, later, who cares? :) |
| 13:48.21 | AStorm | RST38h: well, battery isn't that expensive |
| 13:48.25 | AStorm | 150 PLN or so |
| 13:48.30 | AStorm | for original Nokia one |
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| 13:49.16 | AStorm | I could actually power on that Nokia using controlled DC power unit |
| 13:49.35 | X-Fade | AStorm: Nope. |
| 13:49.35 | AStorm | if in the lab |
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| 13:49.53 | AStorm | but I don't have any USB around there I think |
| 13:50.06 | AStorm | would have to bring the laptop in |
| 13:50.11 | X-Fade | AStorm: The device somehow detects the battery. |
| 13:50.19 | AStorm | nah, it doesn't |
| 13:50.25 | AStorm | there's *no* control port ;) |
| 13:50.54 | AStorm | it detects the battery by measuring proper impendance |
| 13:51.00 | AStorm | and I can fake that |
| 13:51.24 | X-Fade | AStorm: What it the 3rd pole for? |
| 13:51.43 | X-Fade | *is |
| 13:51.45 | AStorm | ground |
| 13:52.06 | AStorm | or earth, if you will |
| 13:52.32 | AStorm | I wonder if Li-Ion 600mAh 3,7V charger would do ;P |
| 13:52.43 | AStorm | I have one (cell phone, dumdedum) on me |
| 13:53.19 | AStorm | so, now need 3 cables |
| 13:53.29 | AStorm | at worst, the cell phone will explode ;P |
| 13:53.43 | AStorm | it's cheap old junk anyway |
| 13:54.17 | aquatix | you have your goggles on you? |
| 13:54.27 | RST38h | UIQ FastTrack event |
| 13:54.34 | RST38h | Boston 15-16 may |
| 13:54.55 | AStorm | aquatix: I do wear glasses |
| 13:54.57 | RST38h | wonders when they will figure out it is not worth to send this spam |
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| 13:56.06 | AStorm | when hell freezes over |
| 13:56.34 | AStorm | ... need cables ... |
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| 14:11.59 | Khertan | Hi everyone ! |
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| 14:12.20 | Navi_ | Hi! |
| 14:12.46 | Paulius | Hey guys. I have a Nokia 770 and I'm being adventurous. I'm about to flash it to OS 2007 hacker edition using the Windows Nokia Upater/flasher tool. Is there anything else I need to know? |
| 14:12.50 | X-Fade | Does anybody know what software is used for packages.debian.org and if where the code is available? My google skills are obviously lacking.. |
| 14:13.07 | Paulius | I've also realized that there's a download for OS 2008 hacker edition. Should I try that too or is it too unstable and slow on the 770? |
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| 14:16.13 | Atarii | Paulius go for 2008he |
| 14:17.00 | AStorm | I gain +1 to stupidity |
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| 14:17.05 | AStorm | managed to damage the contacts |
| 14:17.11 | johnx | O_o |
| 14:17.15 | AStorm | now, this is hard to fix |
| 14:17.20 | johnx | on the battery? or the N800? |
| 14:17.24 | AStorm | battery |
| 14:17.34 | AStorm | fairly micro these are ;P |
| 14:17.45 | johnx | glad it wasn't the N800 |
| 14:18.16 | AStorm | the contacts are now loosened, need to tighten them up |
| 14:22.57 | AStorm | they're now 0,25mm wider at the tightest spot, might be close enough |
| 14:23.16 | Navi_ | woo |
| 14:23.25 | AStorm | ok, good enough |
| 14:23.44 | AStorm | but still, need to charge it |
| 14:24.05 | Paulius | Atarii: Yeah? Any info pages about it? |
| 14:24.11 | AStorm | I should get an IRC-like blogging interface |
| 14:24.12 | AStorm | ;P |
| 14:24.33 | Paulius | Is it going to be slow? Does the 770 fit the requirements |
| 14:24.42 | Navi_ | AStorm: probably. |
| 14:25.03 | AStorm | or maybe, just transform the logs into blog posts ;P |
| 14:25.11 | Navi_ | Evil |
| 14:25.22 | Navi_ | A lot of people seem to use OS2007HE |
| 14:25.45 | Paulius | yeah, exactly |
| 14:25.59 | Navi_ | If you're going to reflash, it doesn't hurt to try it out for a bit anyways |
| 14:26.05 | Paulius | yeah |
| 14:26.08 | Paulius | reflash |
| 14:26.08 | Navi_ | OS2008HE, that is |
| 14:26.14 | Paulius | Oh... I see. |
| 14:26.21 | AStorm | now, I still need to hold the cables still somehow, the ports of Samsung and nokia have different +/-/gnd setup |
| 14:26.23 | Paulius | The flashing doesn't need the MMC card, does it? |
| 14:26.30 | Paulius | I'll move stuff to the MMC and then remove it |
| 14:26.32 | AStorm | Paulius: why would it? |
| 14:26.37 | Paulius | well just checking |
| 14:26.41 | Paulius | maybe as a buffer or something |
| 14:26.52 | AStorm | nope |
| 14:26.52 | Paulius | And uhhm... |
| 14:26.58 | Paulius | moves backwards to the back-alley. |
| 14:27.03 | Paulius | Is there any way to get Flash 9? |
| 14:27.27 | Navi_ | There were a few threads on ITT about it |
| 14:27.35 | Atarii | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=74038&postcount=8 |
| 14:27.38 | Paulius | th |
| 14:27.40 | Paulius | x |
| 14:27.40 | Atarii | but it doesnt work very well |
| 14:27.41 | Navi_ | I doubt it'll run great though |
| 14:27.44 | Paulius | awww |
| 14:27.45 | Atarii | youtube doesnt work |
| 14:27.49 | Atarii | but some things do |
| 14:27.51 | Paulius | awww |
| 14:27.59 | Paulius | YouTube would be the main reason I'd want flash |
| 14:28.01 | Navi_ | Does mytube work with OS2007HE? |
| 14:28.07 | Atarii | mytube? |
| 14:28.12 | Navi_ | Youtube app |
| 14:28.16 | Paulius | you mean 2008 probably? |
| 14:28.24 | AStorm | Paulius: nah, youtube would be the major reason you'd want YouTube Canola plugin |
| 14:28.30 | AStorm | and thus mplayer with flv support |
| 14:28.37 | Paulius | Canola totally fubared it's install on my 770. |
| 14:28.43 | Paulius | The thing that I'm excited about is... reliability. |
| 14:28.44 | Navi_ | The YouTube Canola plugin kinda blows |
| 14:28.50 | Paulius | OS 2006's browser crashes a million times |
| 14:28.50 | Atarii | i havnt got it to work in 2008he yet |
| 14:28.52 | Navi_ | http://mytube.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 14:28.58 | Paulius | and the thing randomly reboots from time to time |
| 14:29.03 | AStorm | Navi_: why? it works, is nice, etc. |
| 14:29.09 | Atarii | 2008he is fairly fast |
| 14:29.11 | AStorm | but canola itself doesn't handle mplayer that well |
| 14:29.17 | Navi_ | AStorm: exactly :P |
| 14:29.20 | johnx | random reboots? have you applied the wifi memory corruption fix? |
| 14:29.39 | Navi_ | mytube performs better, which is reason enough not to use it |
| 14:29.53 | aquatix | ? |
| 14:29.55 | red-zack | for 770 too? |
| 14:30.00 | red-zack | "mytube" ? |
| 14:30.10 | Navi_ | I just linked it |
| 14:30.16 | red-zack | os06 |
| 14:30.16 | Navi_ | check it out for yourself :P |
| 14:30.31 | AStorm | just dl the flv and use mplayer |
| 14:30.45 | AStorm | al the players are overrated |
| 14:30.50 | AStorm | *all |
| 14:31.06 | AStorm | esp. flash players |
| 14:31.31 | aquatix | has a nice shell script to download youtube flv's |
| 14:31.59 | Navi_ | mytube uses youtube-dl to download flvs and mplayer to play |
| 14:32.08 | Navi_ | youtube xml to search through |
| 14:32.13 | Navi_ | s'all |
| 14:32.50 | aquatix | this script downloads the html and greps the flv's path and downloads it |
| 14:32.53 | hrw | someone speaks italian here? |
| 14:33.01 | aquatix | even fetches the highres version if it's there |
| 14:33.12 | Atarii | Paulius you going for 2008he then? |
| 14:33.12 | hrw | I need info how 'File' is translated in Italian |
| 14:33.40 | aquatix | babelfish says `lima' |
| 14:33.46 | aquatix | not sure how hilarious that is |
| 14:33.58 | Navi_ | File beans |
| 14:34.09 | aquatix | ? |
| 14:34.20 | Navi_ | Bad pun went over your head :P |
| 14:35.50 | Paulius | Atarii: yeah, I'll try 2008 |
| 14:35.55 | aquatix | Navi_: ah, got it :) |
| 14:36.03 | aquatix | hrw: computer file right? |
| 14:36.12 | aquatix | http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File |
| 14:36.30 | aquatix | `archivio' |
| 14:36.43 | Paulius | archivio is archive |
| 14:36.48 | Paulius | like ZIP or compressed or something |
| 14:36.53 | Navi_ | File works as file :P |
| 14:36.56 | aquatix | Paulius: and a file isn't an archive? |
| 14:37.08 | Paulius | Not in it's original sense |
| 14:37.12 | hrw | thx |
| 14:37.15 | Paulius | it could be, thouhg :-P |
| 14:37.17 | luogni | hrw, i think it's "File" (or can be archive, document, ... it depends on the context) |
| 14:37.21 | aquatix | myeah, more like a part of an archive |
| 14:37.31 | johnx | sits back to enjoy the arm-chair linguists... |
| 14:37.42 | Navi_ | johnx: Join in, foo! |
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| 14:37.53 | aquatix | hrw: so, looks like the Italians use `file' for file too :) |
| 14:38.05 | aquatix | johnx: :) |
| 14:38.10 | hrw | thats why I asked |
| 14:38.20 | Navi_ | johnx: or at least give me money! |
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| 14:39.23 | johnx | Navi, ha! |
| 14:39.32 | Navi_ | :< |
| 14:40.01 | Navi_ | I wonder how much my friend paid for these headphones |
| 14:40.17 | aquatix | which? |
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| 14:40.34 | AStorm | dammit, almost flashed ;P |
| 14:40.36 | atka_ | hello |
| 14:40.56 | Navi_ | Googled it |
| 14:41.01 | Navi_ | He paid US$10 |
| 14:41.08 | Navi_ | Panasonic RP-HS43 |
| 14:41.16 | Navi_ | Midtones are decent for it's price |
| 14:41.47 | aquatix | ah, those |
| 14:42.08 | Navi_ | Ever use them? |
| 14:42.24 | AStorm | I'll leave it hanging for a while, I think charging is done still, automatically |
| 14:42.40 | AStorm | but my wimpy charger doesn't manage to pull it off |
| 14:42.47 | Atarii | Paulius my advice with 2008he is to install "becomeroot" as soon as its flashed, then "mv metalayer-crawler metalayer-crawler.disabled" |
| 14:42.49 | AStorm | the USB one though, has enough power |
| 14:42.50 | aquatix | Navi_: no, i have sennheiser px200 |
| 14:42.58 | AStorm | aquatix: ;) |
| 14:42.59 | aquatix | but i've seen them around |
| 14:43.05 | Paulius | what's that crawler thing? |
| 14:43.09 | Paulius | but thansks for advice |
| 14:43.15 | AStorm | Navi_: calling these decent... is a decorum violation ;P |
| 14:43.26 | johnx | Paulius, indexes your media files, sometimes goes crazy |
| 14:43.26 | Atarii | something which searches for media, but its maxes out the cpu to 100% |
| 14:43.35 | Navi_ | AStorm: :/ |
| 14:43.40 | Paulius | ah yeah |
| 14:43.40 | Paulius | stupid |
| 14:43.43 | Atarii | so changing the name of it stops that |
| 14:44.05 | aquatix | Atarii: does mediaplayer still get up to date afterwards? |
| 14:44.16 | AStorm | oh, it... BOOTED |
| 14:44.18 | acydlord | hmm, apparently the city i moved to has a pretty big geocache crowd |
| 14:44.19 | AStorm | almost |
| 14:44.27 | aquatix | AStorm: it's ALIVE! *couch* |
| 14:44.28 | AStorm | got to the "adv boot menu" prompt |
| 14:44.32 | Atarii | good question :p |
| 14:44.38 | Navi_ | I have a set of Panasonic RP-HC500s |
| 14:44.38 | Atarii | i havnt added media to try it yet |
| 14:44.39 | AStorm | so something has been written |
| 14:44.47 | AStorm | "Booting from flasg..." |
| 14:44.56 | AStorm | and now I got that charging screen, good |
| 14:45.07 | AStorm | now, let's leave it like that for a few hours |
| 14:45.12 | aquatix | Navi_: those look quite decent |
| 14:45.21 | aquatix | more expensive than mine i guess :P |
| 14:45.22 | AStorm | ok, crashed ;P |
| 14:45.22 | Navi_ | I like 'em |
| 14:45.35 | Navi_ | Spent around 90 on them |
| 14:45.36 | aquatix | likes his px200 |
| 14:45.36 | AStorm | but now booted quicker |
| 14:45.43 | aquatix | foldable even |
| 14:45.45 | AStorm | it's starting to *LIVE*... |
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| 14:46.12 | Navi_ | *LIVE*?????? |
| 14:46.13 | Navi_ | ZOMG |
| 14:46.30 | AStorm | the initrd flash wasn't complete it seems |
| 14:46.31 | aquatix | it gained consciousness |
| 14:46.42 | AStorm | but I'll let it charge some |
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| 14:47.48 | Paulius | uhh |
| 14:47.53 | Paulius | I was asking about the MMC card |
| 14:48.09 | Atarii | ? |
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| 14:48.19 | johnx | asking what about the mmc card? |
| 14:48.37 | AStorm | good, it's stabilising... |
| 14:48.51 | AStorm | it seems to be charging all right |
| 14:49.06 | AStorm | :-) |
| 14:49.12 | AStorm | the patient should live |
| 14:49.16 | trickie_ | AStorm: awesome |
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| 14:50.12 | AStorm | need to buy one AC-4E |
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| 14:50.20 | AStorm | or better |
| 14:50.33 | AStorm | all are rated at 890mA anyway ;P |
| 14:52.12 | AStorm | better still, I should buy one and then use the spare plug to build a better charger |
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| 14:52.52 | AStorm | and/or that battery pack |
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| 14:54.22 | AStorm | btw, N can accept 6V just fine |
| 14:54.34 | AStorm | they must have a fairly nice power regulator inside |
| 14:54.48 | aquatix | AStorm: experience? :) |
| 14:54.58 | AStorm | aquatix: yes, cheap charger ;P |
| 14:55.07 | AStorm | measured it at 6V |
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| 14:55.39 | AStorm | but I think that high load causes it to drop voltage |
| 14:56.38 | AStorm | I suspect Nokia uses the same chip I found, that Maxim, it's very popular in cell-phone applications |
| 14:57.21 | AStorm | that has a range of 1,2V to 6V, but it will only provide enough current for N to work at least at 4,5V |
| 14:57.38 | Paulius | uhhm |
| 14:57.46 | Paulius | I think my sound spotted working on OS 2008HE |
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| 14:58.02 | AStorm | I sense a kernel failure ;) |
| 14:58.23 | Paulius | should I be agraid? |
| 14:58.26 | Paulius | *afraid |
| 14:58.28 | AStorm | no |
| 14:58.33 | Atarii | no its a bug, shouldve mentioned that |
| 14:58.38 | AStorm | mhm |
| 14:58.42 | AStorm | fixable? |
| 14:58.54 | Atarii | dunno |
| 14:59.04 | AStorm | I need to get that scratchbox done after I build the kernel |
| 14:59.11 | AStorm | or... or maybe Gentoo |
| 14:59.12 | Paulius | well hmm, weird. |
| 14:59.22 | AStorm | it should be possible to run wifi using that cheap hack DSME |
| 14:59.27 | AStorm | and BME too |
| 14:59.50 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2896 |
| 14:59.50 | AStorm | then add a cfg80211 -> Dbus proggie |
| 15:00.23 | hrw | AStorm: which hack? |
| 15:00.32 | AStorm | which I'll write |
| 15:00.35 | AStorm | in Python. |
| 15:00.36 | hrw | ah |
| 15:00.43 | hrw | python? :( |
| 15:00.48 | AStorm | why not? |
| 15:00.54 | AStorm | I could rewrite in C later on |
| 15:01.01 | hrw | AStorm: takes precious rootfs space ;) |
| 15:01.10 | AStorm | why does that need to be on rootfs? |
| 15:01.11 | AStorm | ;P |
| 15:01.19 | hrw | I am grown on zaurus sl-5500 which had 14MB for rootfs |
| 15:01.22 | AStorm | it's user-space |
| 15:01.33 | AStorm | you can put it anywhere |
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| 15:01.38 | Paulius | 2008he is very very slow |
| 15:01.44 | Paulius | I hope it's because of that indexing thing |
| 15:01.53 | AStorm | some, yes |
| 15:01.57 | AStorm | but it's just heavier too |
| 15:02.04 | plb | yay on xchat on my n810 =) |
| 15:02.23 | AStorm | plb: sloooooow you are |
| 15:02.26 | AStorm | ;) |
| 15:02.28 | plb | lol |
| 15:02.35 | hrw | ~xchat-maemo |
| 15:02.36 | infobot | somebody said xchat-maemo was X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon |
| 15:02.43 | AStorm | yep |
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| 15:02.48 | plb | well I just got it |
| 15:02.54 | AStorm | good for you |
| 15:02.55 | hrw | Paulius: 2007he was slow so nothing strange that 2008he is slow too |
| 15:03.04 | AStorm | I'd love to see the patches that guy added |
| 15:03.07 | AStorm | then improve on them |
| 15:03.10 | Paulius | hmm well damn |
| 15:03.14 | AStorm | e.g. provide kinetic scrolling |
| 15:03.15 | Paulius | I think I'll need to go back to 2006 |
| 15:03.18 | Paulius | I can't stand this... |
| 15:03.23 | Atarii | 2008he is the faster os on my 770 |
| 15:03.27 | AStorm | Paulius: just disable non-essential services |
| 15:03.27 | Paulius | I don't like the fact that even the onscreen keyboard is lagging |
| 15:03.32 | Atarii | Paulius do the metacrawler thing |
| 15:03.33 | Paulius | AStorm: How? |
| 15:03.39 | Paulius | I'm right now entering my WPA key |
| 15:03.42 | AStorm | Paulius: /etc/rc.*/something |
| 15:03.43 | Paulius | to get on the net to get gainroot |
| 15:03.45 | atkarc | Hello |
| 15:03.52 | AStorm | you can drop the metalayer crawler that way |
| 15:04.19 | AStorm | medialib-crawler or wtfit'scalled |
| 15:04.27 | AStorm | atkarc: hi |
| 15:05.48 | kaatis | say "update-rc.d metalayer-crawler remove" as root |
| 15:06.08 | AStorm | yup |
| 15:06.27 | AStorm | or just rm it from proper rc.<number> |
| 15:06.34 | Atarii | whats the difference between that and just renaming it? |
| 15:06.43 | AStorm | renaming won't help |
| 15:06.44 | AStorm | ;P |
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| 15:06.53 | Paulius | I think it finished crawling or something |
| 15:06.58 | Paulius | all of the sudden it's super responsive |
| 15:06.59 | Atarii | did for me AStorm |
| 15:07.05 | Paulius | let's see if I entered the WPA right |
| 15:07.05 | AStorm | heh |
| 15:07.29 | AStorm | I think N770 audio device is supported by linux-omap |
| 15:07.38 | AStorm | AIC23, right? |
| 15:07.46 | Paulius | w00t |
| 15:07.46 | Paulius | I did |
| 15:07.56 | Paulius | maemo.org right? |
| 15:08.11 | AStorm | wha? |
| 15:08.48 | Paulius | where do I get gainroot from |
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| 15:09.13 | AStorm | I suggest easyroot instead |
| 15:09.24 | AStorm | and use gronmayer (in topic) |
| 15:09.28 | Paulius | okay |
| 15:09.30 | johnx | grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com |
| 15:09.33 | Paulius | gronmayer?? |
| 15:09.38 | AStorm | Paulius: @topic |
| 15:09.40 | Atarii | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 15:09.45 | AStorm | e.g. type /topic in your irc client |
| 15:09.46 | Atarii | use it to seach for applications |
| 15:10.02 | Paulius | okay, where can I get easyroot? |
| 15:10.07 | AStorm | nitapps.com |
| 15:10.09 | Atarii | lol |
| 15:10.14 | johnx | <johnx> grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com |
| 15:10.53 | AStorm | hrw: does poky support that wifi, or did you give up? |
| 15:11.08 | AStorm | I at least managed to get it to build vs 2.6.25 |
| 15:11.25 | AStorm | (should work if SLAB is used - not sure if my SLUB hack is enough) |
| 15:12.10 | hrw | AStorm: I need driver with WPA and 770 driver lack it |
| 15:12.15 | AStorm | (unless I broke the skb changes port) |
| 15:12.17 | AStorm | ahm? |
| 15:12.24 | AStorm | it's not the same chip, right? |
| 15:12.26 | hrw | AStorm: I do not plan to test poky on n810 |
| 15:12.30 | AStorm | ahha |
| 15:13.05 | AStorm | which chip is used for wifi on n770? same cx3110x? |
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| 15:14.38 | AStorm | if so, if I write that Dbus wrapper vs dsme, it should work for you too |
| 15:15.23 | AStorm | but for that, I need a better dbus monitor |
| 15:15.40 | AStorm | that xmlish dump is probably not enough |
| 15:15.56 | Paulius | and it's back slow again |
| 15:16.05 | Paulius | come on easyroot... install your sorry ass faster |
| 15:16.06 | AStorm | Paulius: yes, it's the crawler, disable that |
| 15:16.18 | Paulius | Does it do the same thing on the n810? lol |
| 15:16.19 | AStorm | install is slow, live with it |
| 15:16.28 | AStorm | Paulius: sure, but is not as obtrusive |
| 15:16.34 | johnx | AStorm, maybe this isn't what you need at all, but have you seen dbus-scripts? it can launch scripts on dbus events |
| 15:16.35 | AStorm | N8x0 have more CPU power and RAM |
| 15:16.44 | AStorm | johnx: no, that's not it |
| 15:16.46 | Paulius | yeah I'm not an idiot |
| 15:16.55 | Paulius | but Atarii says that 810 is fast for him on 770 |
| 15:16.56 | AStorm | I need to tell the driver what it should do |
| 15:16.57 | Paulius | and I believe that |
| 15:17.01 | Paulius | I'll be optimizing my thing |
| 15:17.05 | AStorm | actually, tell that to DSME |
| 15:17.18 | AStorm | which will twiddle the driver |
| 15:17.27 | AStorm | I should try to reverse DSME too |
| 15:17.38 | Paulius | the interface looks very sexy though |
| 15:17.39 | AStorm | once I control the kernel, it shouldn't be that hard |
| 15:17.43 | Paulius | so it's worth the wait, lol |
| 15:18.11 | Paulius | oh nice |
| 15:18.21 | Paulius | I'm actually seeing it draw the dialogs onto the screen |
| 15:18.26 | AStorm | if we manage to get these two pieces of closed source out, the only thing left will be the wifi driver |
| 15:18.27 | Paulius | need...more...cpu... |
| 15:18.32 | johnx | so the stack is: (kernel driver) <-> (dsme) <-> (wlancond) <-> (GUI stuff)? |
| 15:18.34 | AStorm | Paulius: or patience |
| 15:18.38 | Paulius | that too |
| 15:18.39 | AStorm | johnx: exactly |
| 15:18.43 | Paulius | but I kinda have a train to catch |
| 15:18.48 | AStorm | wlancond is cheap stuff |
| 15:18.51 | Paulius | t minus 2 hours left |
| 15:19.00 | Paulius | but damn, I want to grab something to eat |
| 15:19.04 | Atarii | Paulius later you can try some of these also http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17666&highlight=speed |
| 15:19.06 | Paulius | make that t minus one and a half hour |
| 15:19.13 | AStorm | but I'm not sure if it connects to the card directly |
| 15:19.21 | Paulius | Atarii: Ohh thank you |
| 15:19.32 | Atarii | though ive only tried a few |
| 15:19.33 | Paulius | Atarii: If you know any other tricks, please feel free to share the love |
| 15:19.34 | AStorm | might have to let oprofile onto it |
| 15:19.39 | AStorm | to see what it does |
| 15:19.48 | AStorm | or some other system debugger |
| 15:20.23 | Atarii | i think from that page |
| 15:20.23 | Atarii | user_pref("browser.cache.memory.capacity", 8192); |
| 15:20.31 | Atarii | is the best one |
| 15:20.56 | Paulius | okay |
| 15:21.19 | AStorm | Atarii: wrong for N770 |
| 15:21.24 | AStorm | Paulius: set that to 0 |
| 15:21.24 | Atarii | really? |
| 15:21.32 | AStorm | yes, N770 has half the memory |
| 15:21.35 | Paulius | yeah 8MB seems like alot |
| 15:21.39 | Paulius | 770 = 64MB |
| 15:21.48 | AStorm | maybe max 2MB |
| 15:21.52 | Paulius | yeah |
| 15:21.54 | johnx | swap would help |
| 15:21.55 | Atarii | rite ok |
| 15:22.06 | AStorm | johnx: not that much, swapping in older kernels is abysmal |
| 15:22.09 | Paulius | The cache on OS 2006 was 512KB |
| 15:22.09 | Paulius | lol |
| 15:22.11 | AStorm | hogs cpu like mad |
| 15:22.21 | johnx | AStorm, better than thrashing like mad |
| 15:22.27 | AStorm | thrashing what? |
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| 15:22.50 | johnx | losing disk cache, pulling stuff back in, all while keeping something useless in memory |
| 15:22.52 | Atarii | is it best to leave the "memory cache size" option in the browser to automatic or manually put it to 2048 or whatever? |
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| 15:23.16 | AStorm | johnx: what disk cache? in 64MB? |
| 15:23.24 | AStorm | Atarii: well, it'd put it at 2M then |
| 15:23.28 | AStorm | I'd say set it to 1M |
| 15:24.05 | johnx | anyways, it makes a very positive difference on my 64MB Zaurus. All I can give is anecdotal evidence and say it's worth a try |
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| 15:25.30 | AStorm | johnx: yes, swap is good |
| 15:25.45 | AStorm | but, I can't get it why nokia set the No-op disk elevator in their kernel |
| 15:25.53 | AStorm | that's just dumb |
| 15:26.08 | AStorm | will destroy multitasking performance |
| 15:26.10 | hrw | sorry - machine died |
| 15:26.15 | AStorm | hrw: :> |
| 15:26.31 | johnx | aah, I see. I thought you were referring to mmc write performance, not CPU hogging |
| 15:26.35 | AStorm | someone should provide a kernel with CFQ on |
| 15:26.45 | AStorm | johnx: well, swap still hogs cpu on old kernels |
| 15:26.48 | AStorm | <2.6.23 or so |
| 15:26.54 | AStorm | and thrashes |
| 15:27.03 | AStorm | new swap token work went in 2.6.23 |
| 15:27.22 | hrw | there is no such thing as n770 |
| 15:27.38 | AStorm | huh? |
| 15:27.40 | johnx | this might actually explain a lot of me recently falling back in love with my zaurus c1000... |
| 15:28.10 | hrw | AStorm: "nokia 770" is proper name of su-18 tablet |
| 15:28.20 | AStorm | I know |
| 15:28.35 | AStorm | but the name "Nokia 770" is too long |
| 15:28.37 | Paulius | oh fucking great |
| 15:28.38 | AStorm | I prefer n770 |
| 15:28.40 | Paulius | the whole hing crashed |
| 15:28.42 | Paulius | FUCK |
| 15:28.48 | Atarii | lol |
| 15:28.50 | AStorm | Paulius: you win |
| 15:29.00 | Atarii | you completed nokia |
| 15:29.01 | Atarii | well done |
| 15:29.09 | Paulius | ?? |
| 15:29.12 | kulve | "Nokia 770" and "Nokia n800". At some they explicitly stated at the mailing list that do not use "n770" |
| 15:29.17 | AStorm | all your base are belong to us |
| 15:29.24 | AStorm | kulve: blah, blah |
| 15:29.28 | AStorm | I'll call it SU-18 |
| 15:29.31 | Paulius | oh thy OS 2008 |
| 15:29.32 | AStorm | to confuse people |
| 15:29.36 | Paulius | why are thou so damn slow |
| 15:29.53 | kulve | AStorm: that would be accurate and not confusing to most people here :) |
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| 15:29.59 | AStorm | ;) |
| 15:30.18 | johnx | isn't there a weirder internal codename we could use? |
| 15:30.18 | AStorm | ok, did nokia give a reason for the use of No-op disk scheduler? |
| 15:30.27 | johnx | SU-18 is in too much valid documentation |
| 15:30.30 | AStorm | yes |
| 15:30.37 | AStorm | what was it called... |
| 15:31.05 | Atarii | where is my iGo dammit |
| 15:32.38 | Paulius | brief period of extreme responsiveness |
| 15:32.44 | Paulius | let's see how fast I can do this |
| 15:33.06 | Atarii | "OS2008 will not be available for the 770, I am almost positive." hindsight is a fun thing |
| 15:33.25 | Paulius | hindsight? |
| 15:33.34 | johnx | "looking back" |
| 15:33.40 | Paulius | ah |
| 15:33.43 | johnx | yeah, I wouldn't have believed it either |
| 15:33.43 | ralann | yeah, its what happens when you look at your ass |
| 15:33.44 | Paulius | oh wow I love the new icons |
| 15:34.08 | Paulius | YES! |
| 15:34.12 | Paulius | It's installing easyroot |
| 15:34.17 | Paulius | kisses his nokia 770 |
| 15:34.28 | Paulius | oh wait a second... |
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| 15:34.35 | Paulius | I need to download a terminal app too, right? |
| 15:34.40 | Atarii | wrong |
| 15:34.48 | Atarii | check out the menu -> utilities |
| 15:34.50 | Paulius | oh wow |
| 15:34.53 | Paulius | neato |
| 15:34.54 | AStorm | OS2008HE has one already |
| 15:35.00 | AStorm | osso-xterm = osso-suckagge |
| 15:35.04 | Paulius | okay, how do I do this easyroot thing? |
| 15:35.10 | Paulius | sudo gainroot or sudo easyroot? |
| 15:35.11 | Paulius | or what? |
| 15:35.12 | AStorm | I wonder why they couldn't use xfce Terminal |
| 15:35.15 | AStorm | Paulius: just root |
| 15:35.21 | Paulius | AStorm: Because it requires the gnome libs |
| 15:35.21 | AStorm | ;> |
| 15:35.25 | AStorm | Paulius: wrong |
| 15:35.30 | AStorm | it's Xfce, not GNOME |
| 15:35.33 | Paulius | I know |
| 15:35.37 | AStorm | same libvte |
| 15:35.41 | Paulius | but XFCE uses tons of stuff from gnome |
| 15:35.44 | AStorm | less suckage |
| 15:35.48 | AStorm | Paulius: wrong^2 |
| 15:35.52 | aquatix | Paulius: erm, xfce only uses gtk stuff |
| 15:35.54 | AStorm | it doesn't need any of GNOME |
| 15:35.58 | Paulius | which command should I do first? |
| 15:35.59 | term-sig | GNOME sucks too |
| 15:36.01 | Paulius | update-rc.d metalayer-crawler remove ? |
| 15:36.04 | Paulius | or the mv command? |
| 15:36.04 | AStorm | term-sig: sure |
| 15:36.10 | AStorm | Paulius: update-rc.d will do |
| 15:36.13 | AStorm | then reboot |
| 15:36.19 | Paulius | 10-4 chief |
| 15:36.42 | Paulius | done |
| 15:36.42 | Paulius | rebooting |
| 15:36.57 | AStorm | term-sig: I'll try to get a real mobile environment in |
| 15:37.08 | Paulius | oh wow new charging animation too |
| 15:37.13 | AStorm | of my own design - I'll use pywm as a base for now ;> |
| 15:37.19 | AStorm | ah, btw |
| 15:37.32 | AStorm | why does fanoush' initfs has the non-animated charging anim? |
| 15:37.33 | Paulius | hahaha new startup soung |
| 15:37.34 | Atarii | Paulius goto documents in FileManager and delete all the user help pdfs to free up a fuck-ton of space |
| 15:37.34 | Paulius | *sound |
| 15:37.44 | AStorm | Atarii: wrong |
| 15:37.52 | Paulius | Symlinks? |
| 15:37.57 | AStorm | just uninstall these packages, what were they called |
| 15:37.58 | Paulius | uh oh |
| 15:38.01 | Paulius | it booted back up |
| 15:38.03 | Paulius | got a dialog |
| 15:38.12 | Paulius | "operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" |
| 15:38.17 | Atarii | :S |
| 15:38.18 | AStorm | huh |
| 15:38.31 | Paulius | I think I know |
| 15:38.32 | Paulius | 1 sec |
| 15:38.38 | AStorm | enable swap, will you |
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| 15:38.40 | term-sig | AStorm: i like more flubox or something similar.. |
| 15:38.50 | AStorm | term-sig: flux is bad for mobile usage |
| 15:38.53 | term-sig | instalind KDE on n8x0 it's dump for me.. |
| 15:38.54 | AStorm | small buttons, windows, etc. |
| 15:39.03 | AStorm | same with KDE |
| 15:39.15 | AStorm | they weren't designed with mobile usage in mind |
| 15:39.15 | Paulius | okay now it's properly booting up |
| 15:39.22 | Paulius | Atarii: Got any other services that I could disable? |
| 15:39.23 | term-sig | AStorm:ok, but it's working nice.. and dont use so much memory and cpu. |
| 15:39.30 | Paulius | Any guide to get my 770 working as fast as yours? |
| 15:39.33 | AStorm | term-sig: who cares ;) |
| 15:39.35 | Paulius | oh FUCK |
| 15:39.41 | Paulius | I was supposed to read a user manual.. |
| 15:39.46 | aquatix | feh ;) |
| 15:39.50 | Atarii | no-one reads manuals |
| 15:39.51 | aquatix | who does that nowadays |
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| 15:39.59 | AStorm | I do, out of boredom |
| 15:40.00 | Paulius | It's for a professional video camera |
| 15:40.05 | AStorm | then laugh |
| 15:40.06 | Paulius | I've never operated one, lol |
| 15:40.08 | hrw | I looked at quick start today |
| 15:40.18 | Paulius | consumer manuals are a joke, not the pro ones |
| 15:40.32 | term-sig | Paulius: u 770 will be so fast as mamemo website ;P |
| 15:40.43 | Paulius | term-sig: What? |
| 15:40.48 | Paulius | Atarii: What else to disable/remove? |
| 15:41.03 | Atarii | thats all i can remember atm |
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| 15:41.11 | Paulius | okay, this thing is now FAST. |
| 15:41.17 | Paulius | I think it's almost as fast as os2006 |
| 15:41.20 | Atarii | although turning off sound apparently increases speed, not sure how true that is though |
| 15:41.28 | Paulius | But I use the sound a lot. |
| 15:41.41 | Paulius | okay guys |
| 15:41.45 | Paulius | in applications I see "maps" |
| 15:41.49 | Paulius | I'm assuming that's for the GPS. |
| 15:41.51 | Atarii | yea i got rid of that |
| 15:41.54 | Paulius | And tutorial-home-applet |
| 15:41.56 | Paulius | get rid of both? |
| 15:41.56 | Atarii | and that |
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| 15:42.10 | Paulius | man, I'm loving this. |
| 15:42.12 | Paulius | this is so neat |
| 15:42.19 | Atarii | also in control panel, "GPS Location" untick use GPS |
| 15:42.32 | Paulius | okay |
| 15:42.48 | Paulius | So it can't transform my 770 in a GPS device by magic? :-( |
| 15:42.56 | Atarii | lol |
| 15:42.58 | Paulius | Is there a GPS service to stop? |
| 15:42.58 | term-sig | =) |
| 15:43.11 | Atarii | dont think so |
| 15:43.28 | Paulius | okey-dokey |
| 15:43.33 | Paulius | and I should enable swap? |
| 15:43.43 | Atarii | i have, its probably advised |
| 15:43.53 | johnx | I would suggest it |
| 15:43.57 | Paulius | okay |
| 15:44.06 | Paulius | probably very detrimentory to my flash card |
| 15:44.11 | Paulius | but I'm using the crap 64mb that came with it |
| 15:44.17 | Paulius | I could buy a 1GB one for a few bucks :-p |
| 15:44.33 | Atarii | also change the search interval in connectivity to "Never" that may also boost a bit |
| 15:44.45 | Paulius | okay |
| 15:44.58 | Atarii | you can reduce the wireless power also, but only if you are really near the router |
| 15:45.09 | johnx | think of it this way: You're spending the 64MB card's lifetime as an investment in your own sanity (You'll go insane with "out of memory" errors otherwise) |
| 15:45.10 | term-sig | Atarii: u saying more about battery life ;P then speed |
| 15:45.17 | Paulius | enabling 24MB swap... |
| 15:45.25 | Paulius | johnx: hahahaha. nicely put |
| 15:45.32 | Atarii | term-sig true, it all helps though |
| 15:46.16 | johnx | Atarii, Some Nokian said that reducing the "power" setting to 10mW basically does nothing. It's just for compliance in countries that limit power output of unlicensed transmitters to 10mW |
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| 15:46.25 | tank-man | nokian, lol |
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| 15:46.40 | AStorm | johnx: yes, it doesn't save power |
| 15:46.48 | AStorm | checked it with a rundown test |
| 15:47.03 | AStorm | it does reduce range nicely ;P |
| 15:47.11 | johnx | uhm...yay? |
| 15:47.31 | AStorm | ok, why does the charging icon isn't animated? |
| 15:47.36 | AStorm | (fanoush initfs) |
| 15:47.47 | Paulius | oh crap |
| 15:47.52 | Paulius | it's raining outside |
| 15:47.55 | johnx | AStorm, it animates for me I think... |
| 15:47.58 | Paulius | man, why do I have to go out today |
| 15:48.01 | Paulius | f**k this |
| 15:48.02 | AStorm | and here it doesn't |
| 15:48.11 | AStorm | (if the system is started by charger) |
| 15:48.15 | Paulius | Charging icon is animated here |
| 15:48.16 | johnx | uses fanoush's initfs of course |
| 15:48.20 | AStorm | It does if it's shut down. |
| 15:49.07 | term-sig | what about using external wifi card throught OTG? anone try with sucess? |
| 15:49.29 | AStorm | I guess it won't run with just 100mA |
| 15:49.35 | johnx | I don't think anyone was successful without external power |
| 15:49.38 | AStorm | other than that, get something that has Linux drivers |
| 15:50.16 | AStorm | get a battery powered hub, which can supply full power |
| 15:50.21 | AStorm | there are some |
| 15:50.39 | johnx | but the one that is *everywhere* the cyberpower one probably isn't what you want |
| 15:50.49 | AStorm | exactly |
| 15:51.11 | Paulius | I wonder if I should get shot if I used my laptop on the subway... |
| 15:51.21 | AStorm | no |
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| 15:51.31 | johnx | maybe robbed, prolly not shot |
| 15:51.31 | AStorm | at least not here, in the US or UK |
| 15:51.34 | Paulius | lol |
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| 15:51.36 | AStorm | yes, robbed, maybe |
| 15:51.47 | Paulius | It's a crap laptop. any real person would know |
| 15:51.49 | AStorm | but nowadays lappies are common |
| 15:51.54 | Paulius | yeah exactly |
| 15:52.00 | Paulius | they're no more 3K like back in the day |
| 15:52.00 | johnx | Paulius, geeks don't steal laptops on subways... |
| 15:52.04 | AStorm | they tend to steal nice cell phones |
| 15:52.10 | Paulius | or... |
| 15:52.11 | johnx | crackheads steal laptops on subways... |
| 15:52.18 | AStorm | johnx: nah |
| 15:52.21 | Paulius | This is a chance for OS 2008 to show off it's PDF capabilities! |
| 15:52.26 | AStorm | they prefer to steal phones, easier to sell them |
| 15:52.33 | AStorm | and to steal |
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| 15:53.50 | AStorm | I'm a bit afraid that N looks a bit like iPoot |
| 15:54.03 | Paulius | I use my ipod on subway all the time |
| 15:54.06 | Paulius | everyone does |
| 15:54.07 | AStorm | AKA hot target |
| 15:54.15 | Juhaz | why would they be easier to sell? remotely trackable and lockable devices don't exactly sound like something most people would like to buy stolen |
| 15:54.17 | AStorm | yes, and a large number are stolen |
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| 15:54.44 | AStorm | Juhaz: no one locks the phones, for some reason |
| 15:55.10 | Paulius | oh man... new GAME |
| 15:55.11 | Paulius | WOOT |
| 15:55.26 | Paulius | oh my god... it's tetris |
| 15:55.30 | Paulius | I'll be spending hours on this |
| 15:55.50 | AStorm | heh |
| 15:55.56 | term-sig | oh, one more question guys.. |
| 15:55.58 | AStorm | then don't even try gemrb |
| 15:56.09 | Paulius | what's that? |
| 15:56.10 | AStorm | (ah, that won't work on SU-18) |
| 15:56.21 | AStorm | Paulius: Baldur's Gate 2 engine |
| 15:56.25 | AStorm | open version |
| 15:57.09 | AStorm | and especially don't try out these console emulators |
| 15:57.34 | Paulius | the sound problem is ticking me off |
| 15:57.43 | term-sig | anyone get any solution for accessig emails on exchange excluding webrowser? |
| 15:57.51 | Paulius | it also takes a while to get into the sound settings panel |
| 15:57.56 | Paulius | and the funny thing is that I can hear some sounds |
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| 15:58.00 | Paulius | when I close windows |
| 15:58.03 | Paulius | and the bootup sound |
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| 15:59.52 | Paulius | web browser very slow... |
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| 16:02.18 | johnx | Paulius, no way to get around that. It's not that fast on the n800 either... |
| 16:02.28 | Paulius | hmmm |
| 16:02.34 | Paulius | Well it's not that bad when it's actually loaded. |
| 16:02.37 | Paulius | What I care is stability. |
| 16:02.44 | Paulius | Opera on 770 used to crash me A LOT. |
| 16:02.54 | Paulius | If this thing doesn't crash, it's worth the reduction in speed |
| 16:03.00 | johnx | Paulius, did you ever apply the wifi memory corruption fix on OS2006? |
| 16:03.07 | Paulius | I didn't apply anything. |
| 16:03.13 | Paulius | I just know that it had the latest version |
| 16:03.17 | Paulius | I checked the version of 2006 |
| 16:03.22 | johnx | well, that would definitely be part of the problem... |
| 16:03.39 | johnx | not to say that it will make everything perfect, but it would have certainly helped |
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| 16:04.00 | Paulius | Well I got OS 2008 now |
| 16:04.06 | Paulius | I'm as happy as a pig in plop |
| 16:04.16 | johnx | good to hear |
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| 16:10.33 | RST38h | anybody knows what is new in today's Personal Menu update? |
| 16:11.27 | Proteous | free haircuts I hear |
| 16:11.49 | Paulius | lol |
| 16:11.49 | AStorm | new icon? ;P |
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| 16:12.42 | RST38h | shows the same icon =) |
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| 16:24.04 | ssvb | hi, can anybody help with getting such video sample? https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2371&group_id=54&atid=272 |
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| 16:28.25 | johnx | wow...haven't been keeping up with personal-menu updates. That looks awesome... |
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| 16:28.55 | Atarii | got a link johnx? |
| 16:29.06 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19360 |
| 16:29.14 | Atarii | cheers |
| 16:29.17 | johnx | :) |
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| 16:31.38 | AStorm | btw, does someone have the root= address of the fourth chip? |
| 16:31.45 | AStorm | you know, the normal rootfs one |
| 16:32.09 | AStorm | want to move initfs there in the future |
| 16:33.05 | johnx | AStorm, is it printed in the kernel boot messages? |
| 16:33.14 | AStorm | hmm, maybe |
| 16:33.26 | AStorm | but it's still charging ;) |
| 16:33.31 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/m5832c561 |
| 16:33.36 | johnx | does that look helpful? |
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| 16:34.10 | AStorm | how does that translate to root=1f08 option? |
| 16:34.15 | AStorm | (for initfs) |
| 16:34.19 | johnx | no clue |
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| 16:45.37 | pupnik | heh all the kids are curious about internet tablets |
| 16:45.55 | pupnik | "whoah that looks cool" |
| 16:46.11 | AStorm | yup |
| 16:46.22 | AStorm | never ever give it to a girl |
| 16:46.36 | AStorm | you won't be able to recover it for an hour |
| 16:46.51 | pupnik | yeah i was at a family thing yesterday and the only thing that stopped em was low battery |
| 16:47.09 | pupnik | btw numpty physics needs an easier level set for kids |
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| 16:57.12 | unixSnob | I've found that girls tend to be fascinated with the video phone feature |
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| 16:58.25 | unixSnob | thinks a good ad campaign for Nokia would be to give a free NIT w/ gizmoproject accts to two kids in every class - it will quickly become a must have to the other children |
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| 17:00.05 | pupnik | Kids seem to be more interested in the newer type games and stuff. But parents might be interested in a portable device that's not so optimized towards games. |
| 17:00.46 | pupnik | So 'here's your awesome portable thingamabob. It can play some games, but it's better for internet, drawing, mails, communication etc' |
| 17:01.01 | unixSnob | perhaps boys.. I think girls are more interested in communication than games |
| 17:01.20 | Mousey | mmm, girl gamers... |
| 17:01.47 | pupnik | Maybe, my 6 year old daughter-of-cousin was kicking butt in mario on NDS yesterday. |
| 17:02.26 | adam_ | has someone already compiled the wii mote drivers for the n800 2008 os? |
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| 17:05.20 | johnx | adam_, of course :) |
| 17:06.25 | adam_ | is it in the repository |
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| 17:07.08 | johnx | it's on itt |
| 17:07.20 | johnx | google wiimote n800, and it's the first result |
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| 17:08.43 | pupnik | wb qwerty12 |
| 17:09.01 | qwerty12 | pupnik, hi |
| 17:09.07 | adam_ | johnx: cool |
| 17:10.54 | konttori | adam_ there is a python script that handles the wiimotes perfectly |
| 17:11.26 | konttori | Done by a spanish guy |
| 17:11.32 | konttori | really nice and easy to use |
| 17:11.45 | konttori | As it happens, I'm just about to make it even easier to use. |
| 17:11.49 | qwerty12 | Can someone save me from reflashing and send me a copy of their "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon" folder please? :( |
| 17:11.54 | pupnik | is anybody really using the wiimote for anytihng? konttori ? |
| 17:12.28 | johnx | qwerty12, tar.gz to an email address ok? or can I just rsync it right to your tablet? |
| 17:12.32 | pupnik | mine is pretty customized qwerty12 |
| 17:12.54 | qwerty12 | johnx, tar.gz is fine, mind if I PM you email? |
| 17:12.58 | johnx | sure |
| 17:13.01 | qwerty12 | pupnik, thanks :) |
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| 17:20.37 | lcuk2 | can we get at the mii's from the wiimote? |
| 17:21.22 | tank-man | af-sb-init.sh: command not found <-- where can I find this script? |
| 17:21.29 | towo | There's tools for that, lcuk2, IIRC. |
| 17:22.23 | lcuk2 | cool |
| 17:23.09 | lcuk2 | tank-man, depending on what you have done, i would say you are: not logged in correctly to your scratchbox, have selected a target which has been "reset" or you have simply b0rken your box |
| 17:23.19 | lcuk2 | you shouldnt have to just get hold of the script on its own |
| 17:23.36 | lcuk2 | (as far as i know anyway) |
| 17:24.51 | tank-man | ok, i'll try going over what i did |
| 17:26.01 | lcuk2 | did it work correctly earlier? |
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| 17:26.54 | pupnik | hmm rick astley does have a good voice |
| 17:27.02 | qwerty12 | rick rolled? :p |
| 17:27.12 | pupnik | yeah, again |
| 17:27.22 | lcuk2 | have you seen the muppet one? |
| 17:27.30 | lcuk2 | with beaker singing :D |
| 17:27.37 | pupnik | no, linky |
| 17:27.42 | qwerty12 | I've never actually been rick rolled because I keep my volume off and all the rick rolls aren't the video :/ |
| 17:27.59 | lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw |
| 17:28.03 | lcuk2 | muppets ^ |
| 17:28.26 | lcuk2 | sync is impressive |
| 17:28.44 | pupnik | wow well done |
| 17:28.52 | joe_mid | awesome! |
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| 17:33.04 | qwerty12 | Bye. |
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| 17:34.40 | Mousey | huggles nokia |
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| 18:14.18 | konttori | pupnik: Here again! |
| 18:14.38 | konttori | I just managed to streamline the wiimote process... Stay tuned for a deb... |
| 18:15.04 | konttori | It's now basically like this: You run the python script. It asks you to press 1+2 on wiimote. |
| 18:15.06 | AStorm | all the wiitards unite! ;) |
| 18:15.19 | konttori | You click that. And.... tadat. it's mapped to your device. |
| 18:15.48 | konttori | dpad works as it should, a, b work nicely, + - work, 1 opens system menu 2 open app menu |
| 18:16.01 | konttori | .... and it's easy to configure |
| 18:16.13 | Mousey | wtf |
| 18:16.14 | konttori | Now, for you pupnik, this should be so great to map to the emus |
| 18:16.20 | Mousey | wiimote for maemo?! |
| 18:16.37 | AStorm | yup |
| 18:16.50 | konttori | Most of the work has been done by other people. I just made it now a little bit easier to use. |
| 18:16.51 | Mousey | ye godz |
| 18:17.09 | konttori | If anyone wants to try immediately, let me know. |
| 18:17.23 | konttori | I don't have any gui, so I have build that and then do the packaging. |
| 18:17.45 | pupnik | konttori: very cool.. |
| 18:17.57 | konttori | So, I can put the code to pastebin, but otherwise, I'll focus on that for the next hour. |
| 18:17.58 | pupnik | you do many nice things |
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| 18:18.24 | pupnik | i can not integrate your work. i can link to it if you want |
| 18:18.28 | Mousey | doesn't have a wiimote |
| 18:18.29 | pupnik | welcoem back unique311 |
| 18:18.31 | pupnik | long time no talk |
| 18:18.35 | unique311 | hello |
| 18:19.08 | Mousey | ...speaking of |
| 18:19.11 | unique311 | been working on a notebook. |
| 18:19.12 | konttori | It's basically mapping the stuff as X events |
| 18:19.37 | Mousey | ...does anyone know how to get "Mapper" to work with the internal GPS on the 810? i got it working with "maemo mapper", but the same method doesn't work with Mapper |
| 18:19.45 | konttori | ok. I'm now digging into the UI code. See you guys in 0.5 to 1 hour |
| 18:20.02 | Mousey | konttori: ty! |
| 18:20.05 | AStorm | Mousey: you mean Map application or what? |
| 18:20.23 | Mousey | AStorm: i mean "Mapper" which is apparently a fork of "Maemo Mapper" |
| 18:20.34 | AStorm | huh |
| 18:20.40 | AStorm | use GPS bluetooth device |
| 18:20.42 | AStorm | and not gpsd |
| 18:20.45 | Mousey | yah |
| 18:20.46 | Mousey | but |
| 18:20.48 | Mousey | it doesn't find it |
| 18:20.51 | Mousey | it wants to scan for it |
| 18:20.55 | Mousey | or some nonsense |
| 18:20.57 | AStorm | weird |
| 18:20.58 | Mousey | i mean |
| 18:21.07 | AStorm | how does this Mapper differ from Maemo Mapper? |
| 18:21.09 | Mousey | i know leaving the MAC blank works for Maemo Mapper |
| 18:21.54 | Mousey | AStorm: i'd love to find out.. the graphics are prettier, there are more options.. but i can't get it to see the GPS so i can't tell beyond that |
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| 18:29.01 | webustany | hi there |
| 18:30.12 | webustany | I'm beginning with osso, hildon and friends, and was wondering how you can get a "native" look for your apps. For example, I have a treeview, but it doesn't look at all like the fileview in the file browser |
| 18:30.27 | webustany | it looks like a standard themed gtk treeview... |
| 18:31.54 | fysa | What's a good example of a well-maintained open source project? |
| 18:32.05 | fysa | That uses community tools for patch management/discussion. |
| 18:32.17 | AStorm | like, uhm, bugzilla? |
| 18:32.18 | AStorm | or trac? |
| 18:32.42 | AStorm | What do you expect from a well-maintained oss project? |
| 18:34.12 | fysa | trac is good -- but was hoping someone here had worked/dug into a project that for example used trac well to manage itself. |
| 18:34.12 | AStorm | Try Xorg :> |
| 18:34.12 | AStorm | No, just kidding. |
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| 18:35.08 | elb | Pidgin uses trac |
| 18:35.10 | elb | and we like it |
| 18:35.18 | AStorm | good example |
| 18:35.25 | elb | as to whether or not we're well-managed, that's open for debate ;-) |
| 18:36.04 | fysa | thanks elb |
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| 18:49.23 | plb | hm any new yorkers have an extra stylus for the n810 ;] |
| 18:49.33 | konttori | 1st UI ready. |
| 18:49.33 | plb | they are willing to part with |
| 18:49.36 | plb | hehe |
| 18:49.40 | konttori | (bad one though) |
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| 18:56.44 | konttori | pupnik: Any recommendations for the 1+2 keys? |
| 18:57.09 | konttori | I'll create the first version without user modifiable layout (or two premade layouts) |
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| 18:59.19 | pupnik | konttori: no |
| 18:59.36 | konttori | landscape or portrait? |
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| 18:59.43 | konttori | Do you btw have a wiimote? |
| 18:59.52 | konttori | (as in, is there any reason to ask you) |
| 19:00.10 | unique311 | i use the wiimote with the n800 a couple of times |
| 19:00.13 | unique311 | cwiid |
| 19:00.38 | unique311 | works really good |
| 19:01.45 | konttori | You should still love this new script. So easy to use. Two python scripts. No hassle. Easy to configure. Outputs X events, so all apps work with it. |
| 19:02.05 | unique311 | i tried it. |
| 19:02.29 | pupnik | i do not konttori. i have no interest. make the buttons mappable |
| 19:02.31 | unique311 | is there a new release out? |
| 19:03.21 | konttori | I'll make the buttons mappable. Just not today. |
| 19:03.33 | unique311 | kontorri, link? |
| 19:03.45 | konttori | Well, I'm making a nice and easy to use version of the wiicontrol with GUI now. |
| 19:04.27 | konttori | It's almost there now. I can put a test version for you now if you want. (or better yet, email it to you ... what's your email?) |
| 19:04.54 | unique311 | unique11210 (a) gmail.com |
| 19:06.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Do you mean that wiicontrol script by jldiaz? |
| 19:08.11 | pupnik | "people use drugs to prevent death. people use drugs because death is inevitable." - Arnim Sauerbier |
| 19:09.09 | KotCzarny | quoting yourself? |
| 19:09.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:10.19 | unique311 | lol |
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| 19:15.41 | konttori | qwerty12_N800: Yeah, it's a derivative of that. |
| 19:16.03 | konttori | No need to manually run the discovery, change the source code to contain the mac and has a UI |
| 19:16.10 | konttori | (and desktop file) |
| 19:16.45 | fysa | very cool |
| 19:16.47 | lardman | is confused |
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| 19:20.58 | konttori | will now try packaged version once, then sends it to unique311 |
| 19:21.15 | unique311 | thank ya kindly |
| 19:22.14 | konttori | np! It's going to be: a) ugly and b) swamped with issues when you get it. Should be much nicer tomorrow. However, it's working already (which is nice) |
| 19:22.18 | lardman | any TLB experts about? |
| 19:22.26 | lardman | TBL even |
| 19:22.34 | AStorm | ok, my N810 works |
| 19:22.40 | AStorm | still charging though |
| 19:22.49 | AStorm | I won't experiment from now on w/o a full charge |
| 19:22.49 | konttori | I need to move it to threaded model and gtk main loop. |
| 19:22.53 | konttori | and that takes a bit time. |
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| 19:24.07 | AStorm | and add some fresh new bugs? |
| 19:24.47 | lcuk2 | i thought bugs were the special sauce you pour over all new code |
| 19:25.10 | lardman | is Gregale the last non-Hackers' edition release for the 770? |
| 19:25.49 | fysa | do gestures work, konttori? |
| 19:25.49 | AStorm | yes, OS2007 |
| 19:25.59 | fysa | i.e., twist/tilt/accelerate left/right? |
| 19:26.37 | konttori | fysa: nope, but they should be *relatively* easy to implement. |
| 19:26.43 | konttori | I'll just start with buttons. |
| 19:26.48 | fysa | oh, and the remote speaker would be cool. |
| 19:26.50 | konttori | Then comes the more complex stuff. |
| 19:26.53 | fysa | :) |
| 19:26.59 | lcuk2 | everytime i try to use the wiimote with my 810 it gets some of the way along, but the sensor bar keeps falling off the top |
| 19:27.07 | fysa | haha |
| 19:27.27 | AStorm | hehe |
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| 19:27.38 | lardman | AStorm: is that the same as maemo3.0? I really can't remember |
| 19:27.51 | AStorm | probably |
| 19:27.52 | MangoFusion | sounds like a hardware mod is in order |
| 19:27.52 | fysa | plug N800 into stereo receiver, then use wiimote twitch to skip tracks/rotate to change volume, and speak the currently playing track through the Wiimote speaker. ;) |
| 19:27.56 | lardman | looks for the old tutorial |
| 19:27.57 | MangoFusion | bring on the LED's! |
| 19:28.03 | AStorm | there's a page about that |
| 19:28.54 | fysa | I should probably just take another bong hit. |
| 19:29.09 | AStorm | or two? |
| 19:29.53 | fysa | I need to become independently wealthy so I can pay people to do these 'what if ..' projects for me. |
| 19:30.06 | konttori | I'm using wiimote.py by Will Woods. |
| 19:30.22 | konttori | It has rumble, gyro support, |
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| 19:30.33 | konttori | ir tracking support |
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| 19:32.22 | konttori | doesnt seem to have the sound support though |
| 19:32.37 | lcuk2 | fysa, world domination is overrated. once you get there you still want more and eventually discover its the trying which is important. |
| 19:33.37 | fysa | this is correct. as soon as something is working/the norm, I am almost immediately disinterested. |
| 19:34.04 | fysa | but I need an army. |
| 19:34.56 | lardman | fysa: a man after my own heart |
| 19:35.16 | lardman | if everything worked straight out of the box it would be boring |
| 19:35.41 | AStorm | Eris Discordia, anyone? ;) |
| 19:35.53 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 19:36.08 | KotCzarny | Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 |
| 19:36.32 | RST38h | who said world domination is overrated? |
| 19:36.36 | RST38h | did you try? |
| 19:36.40 | fysa | haha |
| 19:36.43 | KotCzarny | which world? |
| 19:36.53 | fysa | my problem is that the coolest ideas aren't necessarily the profitable ideas. |
| 19:37.08 | AStorm | yes, maybe except Wii |
| 19:37.09 | AStorm | ;P |
| 19:37.19 | fysa | thus if I do all of them, my wife will leave me and I will become .. independently poor. |
| 19:37.28 | RST38h | Kot: This one. We will discuss other worlds ater reaching this milestone. |
| 19:37.43 | KotCzarny | people are b0rken |
| 19:37.48 | fysa | setup a basecamp |
| 19:37.49 | RST38h | fysa: But think of the triumph for the open source! |
| 19:37.53 | KotCzarny | what's the fun of controlling world of people |
| 19:38.02 | RST38h | Kot: You can kill them off. |
| 19:38.07 | RST38h | Or make them build pyramids. |
| 19:38.11 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 19:38.17 | RST38h | Or make them build rockets and fly into outer space. |
| 19:38.28 | AStorm | and have a space war |
| 19:38.35 | RST38h | Not necessarily |
| 19:38.42 | KotCzarny | space war takes too long |
| 19:38.44 | AStorm | nah, that would be quite fun ;P |
| 19:38.49 | KotCzarny | for human life |
| 19:38.55 | RST38h | naval warfare is more fun |
| 19:39.04 | KotCzarny | stick and stone is more fun |
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| 19:39.26 | RST38h | but because submarines and missiles are so effective, you would have to start by creating a rigid code of conduct for naval warfare |
| 19:39.38 | RST38h | same for space war, actually |
| 19:39.53 | KotCzarny | you don't have to after having one |
| 19:40.09 | RST38h | That is why they had New Busido in Hyperion Cantos |
| 19:40.31 | RST38h | Kot: Oh, the whole idea is to do it again and again |
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| 19:40.52 | RST38h | The whole mutual destruction idea is only 50+ years old |
| 19:40.53 | AStorm | RST38h: well? why? Space is so immense, even without a code it'd be fun. |
| 19:40.58 | AStorm | and not slaughter |
| 19:41.06 | RST38h | Actually, the occupation idea is only 100 years old |
| 19:41.22 | RST38h | AStorm: ships are too frgile |
| 19:41.34 | RST38h | One good hit - and it is done for |
| 19:41.38 | AStorm | add some shielding system |
| 19:41.49 | AStorm | ah, wait, you'd have to command people to do science |
| 19:41.49 | AStorm | ;P |
| 19:41.51 | RST38h | And you can just as well use automated weaponry, with so many variables in space |
| 19:41.59 | RST38h | No, no |
| 19:42.16 | fysa | What if we conquered the universe out to the edges, and then ran into an all-encompassing nebula of salty seawater and were forced to build a new fleet of Seapace super carriers and battleships to pillage space pirates for their space booty and space bucks? |
| 19:42.16 | AStorm | low-speed warfare would be like aerial |
| 19:42.17 | KotCzarny | if you use automated weaponry why not just playing wow or something? |
| 19:42.22 | RST38h | Nothing to do with science. It is too expensive to put big weights in orbit, and also expensive to accelerate them |
| 19:42.33 | RST38h | Kot; ñÂÒßÅÄÌ |
| 19:42.34 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/hillary_and_hillarie.jpg |
| 19:42.36 | RST38h | Exactly |
| 19:42.38 | AStorm | RST38h: currently |
| 19:42.50 | KotCzarny | i don't have cyryllic font :) |
| 19:43.01 | RST38h | So, to make things real fun, you would have to have a code of conduct |
| 19:43.06 | RST38h | Kot: Sorry, wrong register |
| 19:43.09 | AStorm | pupnik: creepy |
| 19:43.25 | NullM0dem | clones |
| 19:43.30 | KotCzarny | double creepy |
| 19:43.31 | RST38h | The robowoman |
| 19:43.34 | AStorm | oh, why clones |
| 19:43.38 | AStorm | yes, ROBOTS :> |
| 19:43.45 | fysa | haha |
| 19:43.49 | AStorm | simulated warfare, but real ;P |
| 19:44.07 | pupnik | tits |
| 19:44.25 | sp3000 | space tits? |
| 19:44.29 | AStorm | pupnik: yes, so? the face makes it creepy |
| 19:44.37 | pupnik | yes. |
| 19:44.52 | sp3000 | swoops in with an all-encompassing synthesis |
| 19:45.08 | KotCzarny | one body, two heads? |
| 19:45.09 | pupnik | the photoshop nerds can go stuff themselves. you can do stuff with gimp |
| 19:45.11 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 19:45.38 | RST38h | robowoman vs. faux-negro vs. old zoldat |
| 19:45.39 | fysa | The Uncanny Valley, demonstrated. |
| 19:45.44 | pupnik | i won't repeat your comments here KotCzarny |
| 19:45.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:45.56 | konttori | unique311: sent! |
| 19:46.05 | unique311 | cool |
| 19:46.10 | lcuk2 | it doesnt sound the same if you gimp yourself |
| 19:46.13 | RST38h | The funny thing is, while the first two are beating on each other, the third wins. |
| 19:47.57 | pupnik | wank to hillary |
| 19:48.02 | webustany | how can I get the same look for the apps I develop and the native apps ? For example, scrollbars for apps I develop are stock GTK, whereas the scrollbars in the file manager or in the web browser are "skinned"... |
| 19:48.08 | AStorm | ok, we need rtorrent on the tablet |
| 19:48.09 | AStorm | ;> |
| 19:48.11 | konttori | Damn! key binding error. |
| 19:48.13 | KotCzarny | the old saying is once black is president of us it's the end of the world |
| 19:48.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:48.17 | webustany | AStorm: you got transmission... |
| 19:48.24 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, that was about the pope |
| 19:48.37 | KotCzarny | i have heard it with us-prezi version too |
| 19:48.37 | AStorm | webustany: nah |
| 19:48.45 | konttori | I'll resend the deb to you |
| 19:50.19 | RST38h | Kot: Do black cats count? |
| 19:50.41 | KotCzarny | cats have religion and authorities in sandtray |
| 19:51.19 | lcuk2 | cats worship a god called Clister |
| 19:51.20 | KotCzarny | sandbox i mean |
| 19:52.19 | konttori | hmm... key pressed event isn't working properly though. |
| 19:52.52 | AStorm | what do you recommend for me to install? |
| 19:53.41 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:53.58 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 19:54.01 | KotCzarny | i sense something |
| 19:54.10 | KotCzarny | you all know about 42, right? |
| 19:54.27 | KotCzarny | this can't be only a coincidence: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=42 |
| 19:54.30 | konttori | unique311: Did you try it out? |
| 19:54.36 | {abo} | Hi all :) |
| 19:56.07 | unique311 | installing it |
| 19:56.09 | lcuk2 | {abo} hi |
| 19:56.12 | unique311 | had to find the mote |
| 19:56.13 | konttori | Oh man. It's working really really sweet. |
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| 19:56.28 | {abo} | I got a new N810. It charged one or two cycles, but then stopped charging. Anyone have any ideas what to do, besides returning it? |
| 19:56.32 | kpel | hello |
| 19:56.36 | konttori | I was just testing the image viewer. Works beautifully. |
| 19:56.57 | {abo} | It was still on, so the battery wasn't dead, when I connected the charger. I watched it die... |
| 19:57.04 | konttori | There should be a page up page down binding for convenient browsing. |
| 19:57.34 | lcuk2 | abo, take the battery out. put it back in again (so device is 100% switched off..) then make sure charger is plugged into wall and switched on and then plug into 810 |
| 19:57.40 | {abo} | (I tried asking in #nokia-tablet first. Thanks hfwilke. :) ) |
| 19:58.06 | {abo} | lcuk2: Tried that, kept the battery out 5 minutes. |
| 19:58.23 | lcuk2 | abo, you were using the standard nokia charger werent u? ie the one for your country? |
| 19:58.26 | {abo} | (And charged disconnected too) |
| 19:58.31 | {abo} | Yup |
| 19:58.49 | lcuk2 | tried a different socket? |
| 19:58.54 | {abo} | That too :) |
| 19:59.00 | lcuk2 | diff charger? |
| 19:59.14 | {abo} | Don't have one at hand, but I can look for one. |
| 19:59.56 | lcuk2 | i think you might be looking at an rma anyway, especially since you saw it go off - there was no magic smoke was there? |
| 19:59.56 | KotCzarny | multimeter? |
| 20:00.28 | {abo} | The blue smoke is still inside it. :) |
| 20:00.40 | {abo} | Yeah, I guess it's an RMA. Doh. |
| 20:01.07 | lcuk2 | if you bought it from a brick store you could get lucky if you ask to check it with an instore charger |
| 20:01.26 | lcuk2 | or ask around friends |
| 20:01.58 | AStorm | hmm |
| 20:02.10 | AStorm | where do I get that LMS plugin for Vorbis? |
| 20:02.15 | NullM0dem | is it unsafe practice to plug in charger while n810 i powerd on, most handheld helds i have onwed can be used while charging... |
| 20:02.15 | AStorm | I have ogg-support 0.6 |
| 20:02.26 | AStorm | NullM0dem: no, it's very safe |
| 20:02.33 | {abo} | Yeah, I'll find another charger. :) |
| 20:02.39 | {abo} | Thanks lcuk2 and others. |
| 20:02.43 | KotCzarny | only charging can be slower if you use it |
| 20:02.47 | lcuk2 | NullM0dem, mines in and out all the time (ive got 2 - one at bedside and one near computer) and they just plug as i sitdown |
| 20:03.16 | AStorm | ok, again |
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| 20:03.22 | AStorm | where do I get proper ogg-support? |
| 20:03.26 | lcuk2 | the only thing i would recommend is give that initial charge as long as possible. give yourself at least some time to read the getting started before even attempting to switch on |
| 20:03.53 | unique311 | kontorri, it works over here.. |
| 20:04.01 | {abo} | Heh, I let mine charge fully before I even switched it on. Look where that got me! *chuckles* |
| 20:04.24 | lcuk2 | lol abo, shurrup - you have static hands. |
| 20:04.33 | lardman | Has anyone here compiled a kernel for the n800? |
| 20:04.35 | {abo} | :D |
| 20:04.39 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:04.42 | KotCzarny | probably most of us |
| 20:04.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:04.47 | KotCzarny | (@lardman) |
| 20:04.48 | lcuk2 | hasnt |
| 20:04.54 | Atarii | let me guess, you had some "Private time" whilst it charged? |
| 20:05.01 | Atarii | and "worked up some static" ? |
| 20:05.02 | lardman | I see it's trying to use nokia_2420_defconfig, rather than something with n800 in the name. Is that normal? |
| 20:05.20 | {abo} | Atarii: :P I was at work... |
| 20:05.28 | Atarii | i bet you were |
| 20:05.34 | KotCzarny | i don't know, i used make n800_defconfig or similiar to generate .config |
| 20:05.43 | KotCzarny | then i went to make menuconfig |
| 20:06.14 | lardman | I was just trying dpkg-buildpackage with the defaults |
| 20:06.19 | lcuk2 | Spandex and nokias do not like each other. the buildup of crass inteferes with the electronics |
| 20:06.35 | fysa | oh, next time someone compiles a kernel .. pretty please try to enable md w/all raid levels. I wouldn't mind playing with that.. ;) |
| 20:06.45 | KotCzarny | heh.. package? |
| 20:06.53 | KotCzarny | will it flash the kernel when installed? |
| 20:06.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:07.20 | Atarii | Display stays lit > When charging does not seem to work in 2008he |
| 20:07.26 | fysa | I want to see if I can take a 5-drive USB enclosure and use an N800 as a RAID server (linux software raid) |
| 20:07.29 | lardman | KotCzarny: you never know; it might make a source deb though :-p |
| 20:07.43 | KotCzarny | source deb? o.O |
| 20:07.54 | KotCzarny | that would be an overkill for my 128kbit uplink |
| 20:07.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:08.02 | lardman | with that said, it complained about too many files open or something like that |
| 20:08.43 | lardman | hmm, arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-camera.c:204: error: `tcm825x_regs_rx44' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:08.56 | lardman | rx44 sounds vaguely like a new model |
| 20:09.02 | lcuk2 | mine 44 |
| 20:09.05 | lcuk2 | n810 |
| 20:09.11 | lardman | oh, shame |
| 20:09.18 | lcuk2 | ug! jeesus i might try grammar |
| 20:09.27 | lardman | :) |
| 20:09.33 | fysa | does the N800 have a full-speed N800 interface? |
| 20:09.43 | fysa | .. |
| 20:09.48 | fysa | sorry, full-speed USB interface. |
| 20:09.49 | fysa | haha |
| 20:09.56 | lcuk2 | seems like caveman is contagious |
| 20:10.11 | fysa | haha |
| 20:10.43 | NullM0dem | lcuk2: Im going to let it initially charge for about 8 hours, Im still waiting on my n810, I orderd from newegg and they shippe dit out of ontario CA, its been sitting thier according to ups tracking for 3 days :( |
| 20:10.44 | timelyx | fysa: usb1 or usb2? :) |
| 20:10.51 | timelyx | is pretty sure it's full speed usb1 ;-) |
| 20:10.54 | KotCzarny | usually in less than optimal brain operating conditions |
| 20:10.54 | fysa | [ 647.438598] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using musb_hdrc and address 8 |
| 20:11.05 | lcuk2 | they could charge it up for you whilst its sitting there |
| 20:11.42 | NullM0dem | yes |
| 20:11.55 | solmumaha | hmmm, device froze and after reboot sdhc card was dead :( hope it's not completely gone |
| 20:12.01 | konttori | unique311: Great to hear that (I've been testing on diablo - so wasn't sure all the BT stuff would be the same) |
| 20:12.04 | NullM0dem | b*st**ds |
| 20:12.16 | AStorm | where do I get lightmediascanner-ogg? |
| 20:12.40 | lardman | sees that his questions have already been answered, the wonders of Google |
| 20:12.48 | Jaffa | re |
| 20:14.13 | KotCzarny | solmumaha: n810 ? |
| 20:14.30 | konttori | I wonder how the SDL could be convinced to also accept the input |
| 20:14.49 | solmumaha | n800 |
| 20:14.52 | lcuk2 | sdl runs ontop of x i think |
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| 20:14.53 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:14.57 | lcuk2 | at least on this device |
| 20:15.00 | KotCzarny | can be bad contacts |
| 20:15.11 | KotCzarny | if it doesn't work try reinserting? |
| 20:15.21 | lcuk2 | take it out, blow on the contacts and try again |
| 20:15.37 | solmumaha | no, even switched slots |
| 20:15.50 | KotCzarny | usb card reader? |
| 20:16.09 | solmumaha | can't reformat it, but it detects it |
| 20:16.17 | KotCzarny | uh. |
| 20:16.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:16.40 | lcuk2 | theres like kot, but not as we know it |
| 20:16.41 | KotCzarny | what fs you had on it? |
| 20:16.46 | lcuk2 | life ffs |
| 20:16.47 | konttori | lcuk2: But it seems that the events are not handled in the same manner |
| 20:16.55 | lcuk2 | starts using fingers instead of clubs |
| 20:17.06 | konttori | I suppose it needs the up and down events of the keys. |
| 20:17.09 | solmumaha | n800 that is, haven't tried usb |
| 20:17.22 | solmumaha | default fat |
| 20:17.30 | konttori | will have to improve on that regard - games are where this babes at |
| 20:17.39 | solmumaha | less than month old card |
| 20:17.56 | lcuk2 | konttori, not sure if its the right direction, but have you considered using the same method the raw mouse pressure stuff works? |
| 20:18.08 | konttori | what's that? |
| 20:18.13 | konttori | any examples? |
| 20:18.18 | lcuk2 | ill find link |
| 20:18.33 | KotCzarny | solmumaha, if it's only vfat corruption then it's relatively ok, worse if it's a badblock |
| 20:18.41 | KotCzarny | but still solvable |
| 20:18.44 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 20:19.15 | solmumaha | yeah, must try tomorrow |
| 20:19.16 | lcuk2 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_usetouchscreenpressuredata/ |
| 20:20.52 | lcuk2 | it manages to insert non standard events into the standard x events list which apps can listen for |
| 20:21.04 | AStorm | blah,ran out of disk space |
| 20:21.23 | fysa | 16GB card arrived yesterday |
| 20:21.24 | AStorm | have to move all that to mmc |
| 20:21.32 | AStorm | the system, I mean |
| 20:21.33 | solmumaha | i so hope they fix this touchscreen double/triple click problem |
| 20:21.49 | fysa | time for unionfs? |
| 20:22.02 | lcuk2 | feels inadequate now, i just bought a 1GB card :( |
| 20:22.15 | KotCzarny | has 4 and 8gb |
| 20:22.30 | KotCzarny | 4 was a spare lying on the shelf |
| 20:22.34 | fysa | 16gb was down to $60 and the wife needed a card for her camera, so I scored an extra ;) |
| 20:22.41 | solmumaha | used to have too |
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| 20:23.04 | |zeus| | morning |
| 20:23.09 | |zeus| | strange thing |
| 20:23.20 | AStorm | fysa: no, unionfs is suck |
| 20:23.21 | |zeus| | i have two mini sd cards |
| 20:23.28 | AStorm | time to move it to internal mmc |
| 20:23.38 | |zeus| | 512m pqi and 4gb kingston |
| 20:23.49 | |zeus| | pqi works fine with my n810 |
| 20:23.57 | KotCzarny | i have mostly mp3 and maps on it though |
| 20:24.00 | |zeus| | but kingston doesn't work |
| 20:24.02 | lcuk2 | minisdHC i believe for larger cards |
| 20:24.03 | KotCzarny | and cloned os |
| 20:24.10 | KotCzarny | so 1gb will be more than enough :) |
| 20:24.34 | |zeus| | n810 doesn't support sdhc? |
| 20:24.37 | |zeus| | O_o |
| 20:24.45 | lcuk2 | DOES |
| 20:25.01 | Mousey | yea does, homey |
| 20:26.04 | |zeus| | so, why it can't recognize 4gb kingston card? |
| 20:26.14 | |zeus| | my laptop recognize it well |
| 20:26.20 | lcuk2 | i dunno, mail it to me i'll test it for you ;) |
| 20:26.39 | fysa | |zeus|, power down device, take battery out, put back in.. and retry. |
| 20:27.06 | Mousey | and unplug from usb |
| 20:27.09 | fysa | and hope that there was an issue with the mountpoint being locked by an old card.. |
| 20:28.06 | AStorm | grr |
| 20:28.12 | AStorm | "Unable to uninstall powerlaunch" |
| 20:28.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:28.20 | KotCzarny | 0wned |
| 20:28.21 | AStorm | how to get rid of the damned thing? |
| 20:28.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:28.26 | |zeus| | fysa: lock saved after reboot? |
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| 20:29.01 | fysa | reboots with power might just be an init down/back up? I don't know. |
| 20:29.17 | |zeus| | no |
| 20:29.23 | |zeus| | it doesn't work |
| 20:29.28 | |zeus| | VERY strange |
| 20:29.43 | |zeus| | does anyone tried kingston cards with n8xx? |
| 20:30.09 | KotCzarny | has 2 kingston cards in n800 |
| 20:30.14 | KotCzarny | 4 and 8gb |
| 20:30.16 | fysa | if it's kingston, it probably has a nice long warranty and can be RMA'd to try a different one ;) |
| 20:30.38 | Mousey | is there a menu entry for powerlaunch? |
| 20:31.13 | AStorm | I've one 1G |
| 20:31.17 | AStorm | works ok |
| 20:31.25 | |zeus| | fysa: yes, i'm already change one, but, again, it works fine with my laptop |
| 20:32.12 | Mousey | decides to rtfm |
| 20:32.28 | konttori | yes. I'm on track to get the key up key down stuff working properly |
| 20:32.32 | fysa | are you using a 48mhz kernel? |
| 20:32.40 | konttori | thanks lcuk2 |
| 20:32.53 | lcuk2 | konttori, that was a viable direction? |
| 20:33.43 | konttori | well, it gave me an idea to try |
| 20:33.56 | lcuk2 | cool :D |
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| 20:36.03 | woodwizzle | I'm having some trouble. In the application manager, when I try to download anything nothing downloads. I tried refreshing the repos and it says it is downloading a 5kb file, the progress bar fills up and then it just waits |
| 20:36.13 | zakkm | Hi.. i was here yesterday and i wanted to try to update my nokia 770 to the new 2008HE and so i got the windows nokia installer. .but it says it cant find my nokia? but it shows USB connected on my nokia |
| 20:36.13 | lcuk2 | 500KB/s with ssh is quick isnt it? |
| 20:36.37 | KotCzarny | regular for n8x0 |
| 20:36.46 | lcuk2 | zakkm, it is trying to find it in a Service/update mode. if its detected as USB its gone too far |
| 20:36.55 | zakkm | ah |
| 20:36.58 | zakkm | so what should i do right now |
| 20:37.27 | lcuk2 | consider whether you want 2008he on your device... its testing only you understand and is not stable |
| 20:37.39 | zakkm | yeah i like risky stuff |
| 20:38.00 | zakkm | i use experimental / alpha / testing linux packages/distros all the time |
| 20:38.04 | zakkm | as long as it doesnt brick it im fine |
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| 20:40.10 | lcuk2 | does the nokia standard windows flasher actually update to 2008? |
| 20:40.11 | woodwizzle | is it possible that my apt sources are screwed up or something? |
| 20:40.31 | fysa | http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/index.html |
| 20:40.34 | zakkm | lcuk2: i dont know the guide on maemo said to download the bin .. which i did.. and the updater |
| 20:40.37 | lcuk2 | woodwizzle, its likely one or other of your repos are busted |
| 20:40.41 | zakkm | i guess ill be able to tell you soon? |
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| 20:41.01 | lcuk2 | zakkm, i believe the nokia updater gets the latest available public release for your device |
| 20:41.22 | zakkm | it asked for the bin seperately? |
| 20:41.24 | zakkm | for me to dl it? |
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| 20:41.29 | lcuk2 | the 2008he i would imagine will need the proper full customizable linux based flasher |
| 20:41.30 | zakkm | so wouldnt it use that bin i downloaded? |
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| 20:42.00 | lcuk2 | im not sure, all i know is how it worked for me with my 810 |
| 20:42.04 | zakkm | how do i get into this service/update mode you were talking about |
| 20:42.07 | lcuk2 | others might be more helpful |
| 20:42.14 | RST38h | ...Over the course of 4 months he and a friend constructed the rope using 18,500 condoms and a tried-and-true mathematical formula... |
| 20:42.23 | woodwizzle | lcuk2: is there a quick way to figure our which one? |
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| 20:43.01 | AStorm | RST38h: exquisite - which formula? ;P |
| 20:43.03 | KotCzarny | 18500? that's expensive |
| 20:43.14 | lcuk2 | but flexible |
| 20:43.23 | zakkm | AStorm , KotCzarny: do you remember me? |
| 20:43.25 | lcuk2 | woodwizzle, i guess you could dive into shell and try from there |
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| 20:43.30 | KotCzarny | zakkm: not really :) |
| 20:43.31 | AStorm | zakkm: maybe |
| 20:43.33 | zakkm | new guy to nokia 770 ? renceltly bought on ebay |
| 20:43.38 | edugof | hi |
| 20:43.38 | zakkm | roughly idk 18 hours ago? |
| 20:43.44 | AStorm | so what? :> |
| 20:43.44 | lcuk2 | you may get clearer or more descriptive error messages |
| 20:43.46 | KotCzarny | my memory span is ~1h |
| 20:43.50 | zakkm | ah |
| 20:43.57 | lcuk2 | less after beer |
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| 20:44.03 | KotCzarny | no beers here |
| 20:44.08 | lcuk2 | hence hte 1h ;) |
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| 20:44.23 | edugof | anyone knows why if i try to install exaile, i get the error: python2.5-osso, and python2.5-hildon? i don't know where find this packages! |
| 20:44.34 | zakkm | how do i get in service/update mode? |
| 20:44.47 | lcuk2 | hmm |
| 20:44.53 | lcuk2 | my network just went walkies |
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| 20:45.13 | KotCzarny | my head just went boum-boum |
| 20:45.19 | KotCzarny | and doesn't wanna stop |
| 20:45.21 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 20:45.22 | lcuk2 | mines starting to feel better |
| 20:45.27 | AStorm | my buttons work... differently now |
| 20:45.29 | AStorm | why? |
| 20:45.35 | AStorm | Ive disabled powerlaunch |
| 20:45.37 | lcuk2 | lots of greenness keeps coming out of my nose tho |
| 20:46.01 | AStorm | e.g. power button |
| 20:46.03 | zakkm | swap key = power button right? |
| 20:46.10 | AStorm | zakkm: no |
| 20:46.15 | lcuk2 | :O winscp continued copying even when broken connection. thats clever of it |
| 20:46.17 | AStorm | it works like a "back" button |
| 20:46.24 | AStorm | while power button doesn't bring up the menu |
| 20:46.27 | zakkm | so which is swap key? |
| 20:46.29 | zakkm | on the nokia 770 |
| 20:46.34 | edugof | where can i download the python2.5-osso and python2.5-hildon packages?? |
| 20:46.55 | AStorm | the fsck |
| 20:47.01 | webustany | edugof: add the extras repositories |
| 20:47.03 | AStorm | it doesn't want to uninstall the damned powerlaunch |
| 20:47.04 | webustany | maemo extras |
| 20:47.05 | zakkm | oh its going |
| 20:47.06 | zakkm | ;p |
| 20:47.08 | webustany | (I think) |
| 20:47.09 | edugof | hum |
| 20:47.11 | edugof | ok ty! |
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| 20:47.32 | KotCzarny | yeah, sftp is nice enough to keep the connection up |
| 20:47.37 | lcuk2 | hey! its only going at 259KB/s now |
| 20:47.44 | zakkm | SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- does that sound right.. for the nokia 770 ? |
| 20:47.49 | lcuk2 | its halved its own speed |
| 20:47.55 | AStorm | yes |
| 20:47.58 | fysa | your CPU probably clocked down, lcuk2 |
| 20:48.02 | fysa | ;) |
| 20:48.19 | zakkm | wow |
| 20:48.24 | zakkm | 3min to go frm 2006SE to 2008HE |
| 20:48.40 | flo_lap | re |
| 20:48.48 | KotCzarny | say buh-bah for your 770 |
| 20:48.51 | KotCzarny | myuauahahahhahaa |
| 20:48.55 | KotCzarny | (just kidding) |
| 20:48.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:49.55 | lcuk2 | fysa nahhh my cpu doesnt know how to go slow anymore |
| 20:50.02 | fysa | haha |
| 20:50.02 | lcuk2 | but i did just confirm that |
| 20:50.07 | edugof | i'm sorry, but i have the extras repository and i can't see that packages... |
| 20:50.29 | edugof | i have: web-> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 20:50.30 | AStorm | yes, finally, back to normal |
| 20:50.33 | edugof | dist-> chinook |
| 20:50.38 | AStorm | no stupid powered breaking everything |
| 20:50.41 | edugof | comp: free non-free |
| 20:50.44 | edugof | it's ok? |
| 20:50.52 | lcuk2 | its not disabled is it |
| 20:51.01 | edugof | it's not disabled |
| 20:51.09 | lcuk2 | just checking ;) |
| 20:51.10 | webustany | edugof: let me check if I have those packages |
| 20:51.15 | edugof | ok, ty |
| 20:51.37 | RST38h | AStorm: Have you charged the batteyr btw? =) |
| 20:51.44 | webustany | edugof: I have it... |
| 20:51.53 | webustany | edugof: you might have to install it using the console |
| 20:51.57 | webustany | sometimes packages are not signed |
| 20:52.03 | webustany | so the GUI will refuse to install them |
| 20:52.08 | edugof | with apt-get ? |
| 20:52.12 | webustany | yep |
| 20:52.17 | edugof | ok |
| 20:52.21 | edugof | i'll try |
| 20:52.22 | webustany | not sure though |
| 20:52.22 | edugof | ty |
| 20:52.27 | webustany | maybe there's a simpler way |
| 20:52.52 | zakkm | 2008HE WORKS :D |
| 20:53.20 | edugof | ok, with console i can install it! |
| 20:53.25 | edugof | ty webustany ;) |
| 20:53.34 | webustany | np |
| 20:54.37 | AStorm | RST38h: yes, it's now filling up more |
| 20:55.00 | AStorm | now at the peak charge, you know |
| 20:55.06 | AStorm | a few hours to fill it up fully |
| 20:55.36 | AStorm | doesn't say yet Battery Full, but the icon shows 100% |
| 20:55.56 | zakkm | oh wow 2008HE is nice |
| 20:56.07 | Atarii | yup zakkm |
| 20:56.19 | zakkm | been using 2006 since ive got it a week ago |
| 20:56.45 | zakkm | you know that thing when you close something.. it animates it |
| 20:56.48 | zakkm | can you turn that off |
| 20:56.57 | Mousey | 2008he? |
| 20:56.58 | Grackle | Is it possible to install the maemo sdk on an internet tablet? |
| 20:57.41 | AStorm | hard to do |
| 20:57.43 | Grackle | Regardless of whether or not that's a bad idea :P |
| 20:57.48 | AStorm | why would you want that anyway? |
| 20:57.57 | fysa | install debian |
| 20:58.01 | lcuk2 | Grackle, there is a gcc out there and you can put dev libraries on the device. i would say yes. but caution damaging the mmc and space considerations etc (ive just got a memory stick for this very purpose) |
| 20:58.01 | fysa | then install scratchbox |
| 20:58.02 | AStorm | you can get Debian |
| 20:58.06 | Grackle | Just for fun, AStorm. |
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| 20:58.13 | fysa | then VNC to X running on sb |
| 20:58.13 | AStorm | or just install dev utils, coreutils etc. |
| 20:58.19 | fysa | voila |
| 20:58.29 | Grackle | I can install debian? |
| 20:58.30 | AStorm | yeah, debian in chroot would work |
| 20:58.33 | AStorm | Grackle: yes |
| 20:58.35 | RST38h | AStorm: ! |
| 20:58.50 | fysa | someone wrote an article about it |
| 20:58.52 | fysa | one sec |
| 20:58.56 | lcuk2 | why chroot from another system - what is technically wrong with native compilation? |
| 20:59.01 | Grackle | Oh, I thought you meant debian living natively on the tablet. |
| 20:59.05 | AStorm | lcuk2: it is native! |
| 20:59.13 | RST38h | slow? |
| 20:59.16 | lcuk2 | i have it open here : http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/02/08/native-gcc-on-the-n810/ |
| 20:59.18 | AStorm | I actually have that set up |
| 20:59.25 | AStorm | just need gcc 4.2.3 in |
| 20:59.26 | fysa | you can test apps without hildon i.e, VNC gives you full keyboard/input |
| 20:59.35 | fysa | sorry. I mean. |
| 20:59.36 | fysa | without hildonizing |
| 20:59.40 | Mousey | is 2008HE just another name for os2008? |
| 20:59.43 | fysa | (n800) |
| 20:59.52 | zakkm | how do i get rid of that meta-crawler? |
| 20:59.56 | RST38h | 2008HE is OS2008 for N770 |
| 20:59.56 | KotCzarny | no |
| 21:00.03 | KotCzarny | i mean no for mousey |
| 21:00.05 | Mousey | oh! |
| 21:00.08 | KotCzarny | yes for rst38h |
| 21:00.12 | Mousey | k, ty! |
| 21:00.12 | AStorm | zakkm: update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove |
| 21:00.23 | fysa | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html |
| 21:00.24 | AStorm | then apt-get remove metalayer-crawler0 |
| 21:00.32 | AStorm | (you can skip that last step) |
| 21:00.42 | fysa | http://physik.de/770/ |
| 21:01.04 | fysa | sorry, ignore the second link |
| 21:01.08 | fysa | the first one is interesting |
| 21:01.18 | fysa | oh, the screenshot is good. |
| 21:01.24 | fysa | that's in chroot |
| 21:01.28 | zakkm | how much space would it require to run i guess a different distro? + *box .. preferably fluxbox ? |
| 21:01.31 | zakkm | storage space |
| 21:01.41 | AStorm | zakkm: at least 1GB |
| 21:01.49 | *** join/#maemo dholbert (n=dholbert@corp-241.mountainview.mozilla.com) |
| 21:01.50 | AStorm | 2GB is safer |
| 21:01.54 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 21:01.56 | zakkm | dang |
| 21:01.58 | zakkm | ok nevermind |
| 21:01.59 | zakkm | cant afford |
| 21:02.13 | Grackle | I really need to get some more storage. 384MB is not really enough. |
| 21:02.14 | KotCzarny | but you still may try trimming it |
| 21:02.36 | Grackle | tests out gcc |
| 21:02.37 | zakkm | i only have the 64mb that came with it |
| 21:02.43 | zakkm | but i dont want KDE or anything |
| 21:03.07 | zakkm | so. . how do i install skype ? |
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| 21:03.31 | Atarii | application manager > installable applications > skype |
| 21:03.34 | Atarii | but it doesnt work |
| 21:03.43 | zakkm | why not |
| 21:03.50 | Atarii | it logs in |
| 21:03.54 | Atarii | but cant do voice calls |
| 21:04.04 | zakkm | dang |
| 21:04.08 | Atarii | complains about recording device or something |
| 21:04.11 | zakkm | thats why i wnated my nokia? i guess im stuck with gizmo |
| 21:04.19 | zakkm | skype has unlimited canada +US for $3 a month? |
| 21:04.25 | Atarii | 2007he does skype |
| 21:04.44 | zakkm | ah w.e |
| 21:04.53 | zakkm | uhmm .. why is that i cant connect to open wifi's? |
| 21:04.56 | zakkm | like some work most dont |
| 21:05.00 | zakkm | like 10% of them work |
| 21:05.13 | Atarii | too far away? |
| 21:05.16 | zakkm | would the fact i upgraded to 2008HE from 2006HE change that |
| 21:05.18 | zakkm | no like close |
| 21:05.26 | zakkm | im in highschool .. and i walked around and half didnt work |
| 21:05.28 | lcuk2 | too close? |
| 21:05.31 | zakkm | i got a network connection error |
| 21:05.31 | dholbert | zakkm: can you connect to them with a laptop? |
| 21:05.37 | zakkm | yeah |
| 21:05.37 | Atarii | walking too fast? |
| 21:05.40 | zakkm | ppls iphones work |
| 21:05.46 | zakkm | no .. i stopped checked.. walked a bit.. stopped check |
| 21:05.48 | lcuk2 | oooh thats goota sting |
| 21:06.01 | zakkm | people have iphones in school i even asked people |
| 21:06.06 | lcuk2 | right - i give up. im never typing in here again. (until i do) |
| 21:06.08 | zakkm | i only got access from guidance in school |
| 21:06.13 | zakkm | frm like 30 hotspots |
| 21:06.16 | AStorm | zakkm: there is a bug in udhcp, well |
| 21:06.25 | zakkm | will my 2006 to 2008 switch help ? |
| 21:06.34 | AStorm | might |
| 21:06.41 | NullM0dem | cant you manually renew lease from a terminal |
| 21:06.43 | zakkm | i dont mind if theres no way.. i just dont want to miss the fix if there is? |
| 21:06.50 | zakkm | also |
| 21:07.03 | zakkm | some wifis give me gizmo / rss update / application install/update .. but not web? |
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| 21:07.20 | NullM0dem | sounds like dns issues |
| 21:07.30 | zakkm | so my nokia is fine? |
| 21:07.35 | zakkm | i bought it used on ebay last week lol |
| 21:07.39 | Grackle | oops, need to install libc6-dev |
| 21:07.40 | zakkm | $85 -- nokia 770 |
| 21:07.47 | zakkm | Gracle: me ? |
| 21:07.50 | NullM0dem | nice |
| 21:07.54 | Grackle | No, I do. |
| 21:08.08 | zakkm | o |
| 21:08.21 | Grackle | Haha! |
| 21:08.23 | zakkm | sorry ^^;; .. anyone know a good site for nokia backgrounds? |
| 21:08.23 | Grackle | Awesome! |
| 21:08.31 | Grackle | has a working gcc |
| 21:08.39 | AStorm | whee, now I have Vorbis in Canola |
| 21:08.41 | lcuk2 | Grackle, which repo was it in |
| 21:08.43 | AStorm | wins! |
| 21:08.46 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:08.50 | zakkm | will canola work on 2008HE for me? |
| 21:08.51 | AStorm | is actually made of win |
| 21:08.57 | AStorm | zakkm: should, yes |
| 21:09.01 | Grackle | lcuk2, I installed from the repo that scratchbox uses |
| 21:09.10 | NullM0dem | zakkm: im not sure of the bug that AStorm was tlaking about but udhcp is i assumer responsible for getting ips from hotspots and ensuring correct DNS. |
| 21:09.14 | zakkm | on the blog post it said something like something works but canola doesnt? |
| 21:09.22 | AStorm | NullM0dem: yes |
| 21:09.32 | AStorm | zakkm: you have to do some manual setup |
| 21:09.32 | zakkm | the ip is fine |
| 21:09.35 | Grackle | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 21:09.36 | AStorm | add ogg-support-lms |
| 21:09.46 | AStorm | install libvorbis0a by hand, then that ogg-support-lms |
| 21:09.49 | zakkm | Grackle: i add that? |
| 21:09.55 | AStorm | these after installing real ogg-support package |
| 21:10.10 | Atarii | zakkm i havnt got canola to work with 2008he yet |
| 21:10.13 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:10.15 | Grackle | sorry zakkm, I should prefix my messages with the recipient's nick.. I was talking to lcuk2 |
| 21:10.18 | zakkm | thanks :P |
| 21:10.25 | lcuk2 | i spotted thanks Grackle |
| 21:10.34 | Atarii | but i think there was a post on itt forum that it does work |
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| 21:10.41 | Grackle | This is very cool. |
| 21:10.49 | zakkm | would debian itself be faster than 2008HE ? |
| 21:10.55 | zakkm | with like fluxbox or somethin |
| 21:11.13 | AStorm | might be |
| 21:11.14 | towo | (What's with the HE?) |
| 21:11.17 | AStorm | but not a lot |
| 21:11.20 | NullM0dem | flux is sort of heavy vs openbox pekwm |
| 21:11.20 | Grackle | hacker edition |
| 21:11.23 | AStorm | towo: HE is version for SU-18 |
| 21:11.26 | AStorm | that is, Nokia 770 |
| 21:11.30 | towo | Ah. |
| 21:11.30 | Atarii | lol AStorm |
| 21:11.32 | zakkm | Null: i dont like pekwm |
| 21:11.33 | AStorm | ;P |
| 21:11.38 | zakkm | and openbox dont like lol |
| 21:11.40 | towo | Vor people using old hardware, I see. ;) |
| 21:11.45 | AStorm | yep |
| 21:11.47 | zakkm | i really do like fluxbox.. i dont care about its low system requirements |
| 21:11.49 | NullM0dem | me niether but it uses very little ram ) |
| 21:11.53 | Atarii | AStorm see if you can make SU-18 "catch on" |
| 21:11.57 | fysa | ratpoison |
| 21:12.00 | zakkm | no way |
| 21:12.02 | AStorm | awesome |
| 21:12.02 | zakkm | not ratpoison |
| 21:12.05 | zakkm | next your say is dwm :P |
| 21:12.07 | NullM0dem | heh |
| 21:12.08 | AStorm | or ion3 |
| 21:12.17 | AStorm | alternatively, dwm if you're feeling minimal |
| 21:12.17 | zakkm | i dont like those |
| 21:12.19 | zakkm | tried on gentoo |
| 21:12.26 | NullM0dem | try openbox yet? |
| 21:12.31 | AStorm | ok then, I suggest xfwm4 |
| 21:12.34 | AStorm | that is, Xfce |
| 21:12.35 | fysa | ratpoison is perfect on my media center box ;) |
| 21:12.36 | zakkm | nah |
| 21:12.38 | zakkm | i like fluxbox |
| 21:12.46 | zakkm | i prefer fluxbox over xfwm4 |
| 21:12.50 | NullM0dem | windowmaker!!! |
| 21:12.53 | AStorm | well, flux might be too slow, but your pick |
| 21:12.55 | NullM0dem | i use flux too |
| 21:13.04 | zakkm | NullM0dem: on your nokia? |
| 21:13.07 | Grackle | gnome! |
| 21:13.10 | NullM0dem | but i do know it uses more memory than openbox |
| 21:13.11 | Grackle | gets flamed |
| 21:13.15 | KotCzarny | textconsole! |
| 21:13.20 | zakkm | lol |
| 21:13.21 | AStorm | Grackle: Hildon is GNOME |
| 21:13.23 | AStorm | so you lose |
| 21:13.31 | zakkm | links!! irssi!!! ^^ |
| 21:13.36 | elb | hildon is not exactly GNOME |
| 21:13.40 | AStorm | maybe matchbox in non-nokia config? |
| 21:13.42 | zakkm | Hildon? |
| 21:13.47 | Grackle | AStorm, haha, well, everyone seemed to be listing off lightweight stuff, and gnome is huge. |
| 21:13.48 | zakkm | whats Hildon |
| 21:13.49 | AStorm | elb: it's mobile gnome ;) |
| 21:13.54 | NullM0dem | mine is not here yet :( I have setup X on many mnay low end machines where i have had to work ith very little ram |
| 21:14.04 | AStorm | zakkm: it's the toolkit you use when using Maemo |
| 21:14.04 | zakkm | ah |
| 21:14.09 | zakkm | ah |
| 21:14.18 | zakkm | i want to try fluxbox on my nokia |
| 21:14.21 | zakkm | or fvwm |
| 21:14.27 | AStorm | both will suck |
| 21:14.35 | AStorm | esp. fvwm, with the amount of M4 interpreting |
| 21:14.36 | Grackle | Does hildon actually use parts of gnome, or just gtk? |
| 21:14.42 | AStorm | Grackle: some, yes |
| 21:14.43 | zakkm | anyone know a nice site with backgrounds.. nice ones for my 770 |
| 21:14.51 | NullM0dem | remember you need 3 button mouse in flux to be efficiant |
| 21:14.58 | NullM0dem | alt-tab etc |
| 21:15.04 | AStorm | yeah, and you get only two |
| 21:15.06 | zakkm | taskbar? :P |
| 21:15.12 | AStorm | and the second is hard to access |
| 21:15.13 | NullM0dem | true |
| 21:15.17 | zakkm | its touchscreen .. -.- |
| 21:15.19 | AStorm | taskbar eats screen |
| 21:15.21 | Grackle | zakkm: your best bet might be to look in the screenshots thread on internettablettalk.com |
| 21:15.25 | NullM0dem | and razm |
| 21:15.27 | zakkm | i did Grackle |
| 21:15.33 | zakkm | and i saw fvwm-crystal and fluxbox |
| 21:15.38 | zakkm | but no guide or anything.. |
| 21:15.42 | zakkm | and they were like n800's |
| 21:16.09 | NullM0dem | some people like to show off what they port, though it doesent ensure usability :) |
| 21:17.07 | zakkm | vnc? |
| 21:17.13 | zakkm | hey would vnc go like fullscreen? |
| 21:17.18 | Grackle | Does chinook on the 800 expect mmc2 to be there? |
| 21:17.20 | zakkm | so i would only see the remote screen? |
| 21:17.20 | KotCzarny | nm; not true, it's all up to config |
| 21:17.31 | AStorm | whee, now my Canola pwnz and I can drop the stupid media player |
| 21:17.35 | zakkm | cause that would be wicked |
| 21:17.37 | AStorm | for ever |
| 21:17.41 | zakkm | Astorm: Mplayer? |
| 21:17.57 | Grackle | That is, if I mount the internal card somewhere else, will it care? |
| 21:17.59 | zakkm | GMLauncher to be exact ;p |
| 21:18.00 | AStorm | zakkm: canola uses it |
| 21:18.01 | NullM0dem | zakkm |
| 21:18.04 | NullM0dem | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10214 |
| 21:18.05 | zakkm | oh really |
| 21:18.08 | AStorm | yes, it does |
| 21:18.10 | zakkm | omg get me canola :D |
| 21:18.14 | AStorm | although messes that up slightly |
| 21:18.26 | AStorm | that is, scales movies to fullscreen or full window |
| 21:18.37 | AStorm | ignoring aspect ratio |
| 21:18.45 | edugof | anyone knows how can i call from my n800 to a local phone?? |
| 21:18.49 | zakkm | lol |
| 21:18.52 | zakkm | i only download 4:3 |
| 21:18.57 | edugof | i think is with gizmo, but i don't know why |
| 21:19.09 | zakkm | edugof: buy $10 gizmo |
| 21:19.12 | zakkm | and run gizmo .. i use it in school |
| 21:19.16 | zakkm | to call home ;p |
| 21:19.18 | edugof | yeah zakkm |
| 21:19.21 | edugof | other options |
| 21:19.23 | edugof | free options! |
| 21:19.25 | edugof | xD |
| 21:19.25 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:19.30 | zakkm | there is a guide for free on the wiki |
| 21:19.32 | edugof | i use on the pc voipbuster |
| 21:19.33 | dholbert | edugof: none that I'm aware of |
| 21:19.36 | zakkm | skype does $3 unlimited US + CANADA |
| 21:19.37 | zakkm | ? |
| 21:19.39 | edugof | ah |
| 21:19.44 | zakkm | $3 a month |
| 21:19.48 | edugof | ok, go see wiki |
| 21:19.48 | lcuk2 | anyone know the name of the SDL dev package? |
| 21:19.54 | AStorm | zakkm: so you'd have a minor problem with canola |
| 21:20.00 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search sdl |
| 21:20.01 | zakkm | can i install it? |
| 21:20.04 | zakkm | can i have the deb please |
| 21:20.08 | zakkm | dont have wireless net at home |
| 21:20.12 | lcuk2 | thx :) |
| 21:20.15 | AStorm | hmm, mplayer .27 is still slower than .25 |
| 21:20.30 | AStorm | as in 2/3 the speed |
| 21:21.12 | AStorm | slow enough to skip frames ;P |
| 21:21.22 | zakkm | ;o |
| 21:21.30 | zakkm | can you get me .25 ? |
| 21:21.48 | zakkm | please :D |
| 21:22.16 | AStorm | simple, just download it off the repositories |
| 21:22.31 | zakkm | i have no wireless at home |
| 21:22.33 | zakkm | and im home. |
| 21:22.35 | zakkm | i need the deb's |
| 21:22.46 | lcuk2 | yes, just get them off the repo |
| 21:22.59 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:23.01 | lcuk2 | browse with computer and search within |
| 21:23.02 | zakkm | what is the repo? |
| 21:23.25 | AStorm | repositories.maemo.org/whatwasithavetogoogle/ |
| 21:23.33 | KotCzarny | i think fanoush released tearsync kernel for 770 not so long time ago |
| 21:23.47 | Atarii | http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
| 21:24.06 | zakkm | whats tearsync kernel? |
| 21:24.10 | zakkm | whats tearsync? |
| 21:24.21 | lcuk2 | it makes all the tears sync |
| 21:24.23 | lcuk2 | ed |
| 21:24.26 | KotCzarny | trick to get a stable image |
| 21:24.34 | Atarii | when you cry because you break your nokia but the battery isnt charged |
| 21:24.38 | Atarii | ask AStorm |
| 21:25.49 | *** join/#maemo ssvb (n=ssvb___@81-197-1-154.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 21:26.07 | AStorm | Atarii: ... |
| 21:26.17 | AStorm | my Nokia isn't broken, dude ;) |
| 21:26.30 | Atarii | not anymore... |
| 21:26.34 | AStorm | ok then, tearsync is the kernel with vsync |
| 21:26.58 | AStorm | enabled double buffering between gfx chip and lcd controller |
| 21:27.49 | zakkm | cant seem to browse the repo on my pc? |
| 21:27.56 | zakkm | http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 21:27.59 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:28.06 | AStorm | no no, it's a subfolder |
| 21:28.09 | KotCzarny | try http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ |
| 21:28.13 | AStorm | yes, pool |
| 21:28.14 | KotCzarny | or http://repository.maemo.org/dist/ |
| 21:28.18 | AStorm | no, pool |
| 21:28.42 | zakkm | thank you |
| 21:28.51 | ssvb | AStorm: no, screen update DMA transfer is just synchronized with VSYNC, there is no double buffering |
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| 21:29.04 | ssvb | AStorm: at least on 770 |
| 21:29.09 | lcuk2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:29.10 | lcuk2 | :( |
| 21:29.27 | lcuk2 | captain, she needs more space |
| 21:29.43 | zakkm | cant seem to find canola2? |
| 21:29.45 | ssvb | AStorm: what did you say about mplayer .27 slowness? |
| 21:29.52 | KotCzarny | zakkm: it's not in default repos |
| 21:29.56 | KotCzarny | google for it |
| 21:29.59 | Grackle | opens the airlock to let some space in |
| 21:30.10 | AStorm | ssvb: that it is slower than .25 |
| 21:30.15 | AStorm | quite visibly |
| 21:30.19 | AStorm | but better than .26 |
| 21:30.19 | ssvb | AStorm: any details? |
| 21:30.36 | AStorm | no details |
| 21:30.40 | AStorm | 2/3 of its speed |
| 21:30.41 | KotCzarny | do the -benchmark trick |
| 21:30.42 | lcuk2 | if i teleport myself over to an MMC will i be able to continue the install even though the locations will have changed |
| 21:30.47 | zakkm | wish i bought a nokia 800 now :P |
| 21:30.48 | AStorm | KotCzarny: ok, why not |
| 21:30.56 | AStorm | ssvb: slower in embedded mode |
| 21:30.58 | ssvb | AStorm: that's bad, because I don;t have such videos |
| 21:31.10 | AStorm | what "such" |
| 21:31.19 | AStorm | embedded mode is used e.g. by Canola |
| 21:31.26 | AStorm | it is fast in normal mode |
| 21:31.32 | AStorm | better than .25 |
| 21:31.36 | Atarii | what size is the internal 770 memory? |
| 21:31.44 | AStorm | I suspect scaling is borked |
| 21:31.46 | zakkm | 128mb |
| 21:31.49 | AStorm | no |
| 21:31.50 | AStorm | 64MB |
| 21:31.52 | ssvb | AStorm: try to test -vo xv |
| 21:32.05 | AStorm | ssvb: huh, I test with what Canola uses |
| 21:32.10 | ssvb | that's exactly what is used in embedded mode |
| 21:32.11 | AStorm | I think it does use -vo xv |
| 21:32.14 | Atarii | so why doesnt the OS fit on a mmc < 1gb? |
| 21:32.23 | KotCzarny | os fits |
| 21:32.34 | KotCzarny | mine used ~360mb |
| 21:32.39 | AStorm | ssvb: testing... |
| 21:32.53 | KotCzarny | but it was about other distros |
| 21:33.11 | ssvb | AStorm: what are you waiting then? ;) file a bug with benchmark results for both older and newer builds of mplayer with -vo xv output |
| 21:33.30 | ssvb | ok, I hope we will find out something interesting |
| 21:33.44 | KotCzarny | ssvb: anoush agreed to include op patch :) |
| 21:33.49 | KotCzarny | fanoush |
| 21:33.52 | zakkm | how do you rotate the screen in 2008HE? |
| 21:33.53 | AStorm | ssvb: I don't know how to benchmark that canola setup |
| 21:33.59 | Atarii | you cant zakkm |
| 21:34.00 | KotCzarny | zakkm: 770 can't |
| 21:34.02 | Atarii | :( |
| 21:34.06 | zakkm | oh ok |
| 21:34.07 | zakkm | thanks :P |
| 21:34.08 | AStorm | it scales the movie w/o aspect |
| 21:34.22 | AStorm | I suspect that slows it down |
| 21:34.31 | zakkm | uhm whoever said it was 64mb is wrong |
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| 21:34.39 | ssvb | AStorm: it does not matter, scaling is free |
| 21:34.41 | zakkm | in 2008HE storage details total size: 123.5mb |
| 21:34.48 | AStorm | zakkm: it's 64MB of memory |
| 21:34.52 | ssvb | it does not consume any extra resources |
| 21:34.55 | AStorm | 128 MB of internal flash |
| 21:35.00 | AStorm | ssvb: hmm |
| 21:35.04 | lardman | hmm, am I going mad, I seem to remember seeing some output about the 770's framebuffer at the start of the dmesg output |
| 21:35.11 | AStorm | -vo xv is slower than no -vo |
| 21:35.12 | lcuk2 | likes free scaling :) |
| 21:35.13 | zakkm | it says 18mb avaliable.. does that mean i only have 18mb for apps"? |
| 21:35.21 | AStorm | but not *that* much |
| 21:35.49 | AStorm | somewhat, visibly |
| 21:35.55 | ssvb | AStorm: surely it's slower, everything has its price, but I'm more interested in performance regression verification |
| 21:36.04 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 21:36.11 | AStorm | Ok, will test |
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| 21:37.15 | zakkm | can anyone help me find the link for mplayer .25 deb? for 2008HE? |
| 21:37.44 | ssvb | zakkm: it does not exist, at least I haven't built it |
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| 21:38.02 | AStorm | wait, not .25 |
| 21:38.03 | AStorm | .24 |
| 21:38.10 | AStorm | .25 was bad too |
| 21:38.15 | Atarii | lol |
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| 21:38.16 | ssvb | zakkm: but it should be possible to build a package for OS2008HE |
| 21:38.31 | zakkm | i dont want to build myself :( |
| 21:38.54 | zakkm | not running linux on my OS.. and dont have net on my nokia |
| 21:39.01 | zakkm | to download all the libs and all to compile |
| 21:39.55 | Grackle | zakkm, you should get the scratchbox vmware image, it makes life much easier. |
| 21:40.04 | zakkm | what is it? |
| 21:40.14 | zakkm | is it the nokia in a virtual machine? |
| 21:40.24 | AStorm | ssvb: test it vs .flv |
| 21:40.27 | Grackle | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 21:40.44 | AStorm | you should be able to easily see it |
| 21:40.46 | Grackle | It's a virtual machine with the scratchbox build environment installed. |
| 21:41.02 | edugof | anyone knows why i can't see the wallpaper now? |
| 21:41.08 | edugof | i only reboot the device |
| 21:41.11 | zakkm | omg lol |
| 21:41.11 | lcuk2 | zakkm, dont bother looking for an earlier package of mplayer for now - low hanging fruit. get the latest and see if it works well for you before messing with older things |
| 21:41.26 | zakkm | i cant even find the lastest -.- |
| 21:41.43 | AStorm | ssvb: benchmark shows no difference |
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| 21:42.13 | AStorm | but testing on live .flv shows a lot |
| 21:42.18 | AStorm | .24 doesn't skip |
| 21:42.23 | AStorm | .27 skips moderately |
| 21:42.42 | ssvb | AStorm: try -ao esd |
| 21:42.46 | AStorm | testing |
| 21:42.59 | AStorm | hmm, I'll download some .flv :> |
| 21:43.01 | KotCzarny | and -noframeskip ? |
| 21:43.03 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 21:43.25 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nope |
| 21:43.30 | ssvb | also with -benchmark option, you should get a precise statistics about how many frames were skipped exactly |
| 21:43.36 | AStorm | ahh, ok |
| 21:43.44 | AStorm | but how can I make canola grab that |
| 21:43.50 | AStorm | anyway, need some .flv first |
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| 21:44.03 | AStorm | that is, mytube ;P |
| 21:44.12 | edugof | omfg |
| 21:44.18 | ssvb | AStorm: don't use canola, try mplayer form xterm with '-vo xv' option |
| 21:44.29 | edugof | anyone knows why now i can't see the wallpaper? |
| 21:44.29 | KotCzarny | or better from ssh :) |
| 21:44.34 | AStorm | it does use xv anyway |
| 21:44.39 | AStorm | so no need for the option |
| 21:44.41 | KotCzarny | easier to paste results |
| 21:44.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:45.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: indeed, but I'm not that adventurous |
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| 21:45.08 | KotCzarny | edugof: nope |
| 21:45.18 | ssvb | KotCzarny: from xterm on your PC in a ssh session ;) |
| 21:45.23 | AStorm | where is that youtube? |
| 21:45.26 | KotCzarny | i use aterm :) |
| 21:45.27 | edugof | :( |
| 21:45.30 | AStorm | uhm, youtube downloader? |
| 21:45.46 | KotCzarny | astorm: does canola cache .flvs ? |
| 21:45.59 | AStorm | yes, but I'm not sure I have any in there, let me check |
| 21:47.34 | AStorm | no .flv here |
| 21:47.36 | AStorm | hmm |
| 21:47.49 | AStorm | any downloader I can use? |
| 21:48.06 | KotCzarny | wget |
| 21:48.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.47 | Atarii | we need an IRC bot to do the equivilant of http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
| 21:48.48 | KotCzarny | gime me youtube link and i will give you wget link |
| 21:49.05 | KotCzarny | atarii, i think infobot does that already |
| 21:49.06 | AStorm | Just grab one random Tom and Jerry ;P |
| 21:49.17 | KotCzarny | tom and jarry ? :P |
| 21:49.20 | AStorm | but not the one with T&J in front |
| 21:49.20 | AStorm | ;P |
| 21:49.24 | AStorm | KotCzarny: why not? ;P |
| 21:51.14 | KotCzarny | astorm: wget 'www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=Vx89Hvf29N8&t=OEgsToPDskLImjsqmwdcX2QDgUg2g9pB' |
| 21:51.34 | AStorm | tinyurl? |
| 21:51.35 | AStorm | ;> |
| 21:51.39 | AStorm | I have to retype that |
| 21:52.33 | KotCzarny | http://tiny.pl/nr1x |
| 21:53.18 | zakkm | should i listen to the battery monitor on the nokia? i keep reading that i shouldnt? |
| 21:53.30 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 21:53.39 | AStorm | it is fairly accurate |
| 21:53.44 | zakkm | it went down a bit |
| 21:53.56 | zakkm | though i havnet charged for about 12 hours |
| 21:54.02 | AStorm | which is correct |
| 21:54.11 | AStorm | the full "battery gauge" is about 1h |
| 21:54.12 | zakkm | ahhh 2008 is wicked :D |
| 21:54.16 | AStorm | maybe a bit more |
| 21:54.28 | zakkm | ? |
| 21:54.31 | AStorm | 1-2h |
| 21:54.36 | zakkm | i can only get 1-2 hrs out of my nokia? |
| 21:54.38 | AStorm | depending on usage |
| 21:54.45 | AStorm | no, the gauge is mostly full |
| 21:55.01 | AStorm | only starts emptying if the battery runs down a lot |
| 21:55.42 | zakkm | ooo |
| 21:55.54 | zakkm | so full = 1hr+ ? |
| 21:56.00 | AStorm | yes |
| 21:56.06 | zakkm | so i should charge it when i see a bit going down? |
| 21:56.10 | AStorm | click the gauge and it'll display remaining time |
| 21:56.21 | edugof | hum |
| 21:56.23 | zakkm | nothing happens |
| 21:56.23 | AStorm | zakkm: well, you can charge it when you want |
| 21:56.29 | AStorm | huh? |
| 21:56.29 | zakkm | i meant like |
| 21:56.30 | zakkm | should i ? |
| 21:56.40 | edugof | anyone knows how make phone calls from the n800 out of the US? :P |
| 21:56.40 | zakkm | maybe its not in 2008HE? |
| 21:56.43 | AStorm | nah, you only *should* charge it if it's red |
| 21:56.49 | AStorm | zakkm: still should be there |
| 21:56.50 | zakkm | k |
| 21:56.54 | KotCzarny | astorm: not true |
| 21:56.58 | AStorm | after clicking, a balloon should appear |
| 21:57.07 | zakkm | LIAR! lol |
| 21:57.10 | zakkm | its not working? |
| 21:57.10 | AStorm | you can charge it any time you want |
| 21:57.15 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:57.16 | zakkm | the volume / net / brightness goes fine? |
| 21:57.17 | KotCzarny | that's more true |
| 21:57.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:57.29 | AStorm | zakkm: hmm |
| 21:57.32 | zakkm | any way to lower font size? |
| 21:57.34 | AStorm | weird, probably OS2008HE bug |
| 21:57.39 | zakkm | like lower dpi? |
| 21:57.39 | AStorm | zakkm: yes, use another GTK theme |
| 21:57.41 | KotCzarny | install another theme |
| 21:57.44 | AStorm | no, don't touch DPI |
| 21:57.56 | AStorm | there are 12pt and 14pt version of two default themes |
| 21:58.03 | zakkm | whats default? |
| 21:58.05 | zakkm | 12pt? |
| 21:58.08 | AStorm | no, 16pt |
| 21:58.16 | zakkm | wow |
| 21:58.22 | zakkm | ok can i get the 12pt? |
| 21:58.23 | zakkm | deb? |
| 21:58.24 | AStorm | yes, the screen is 225dpi |
| 21:58.27 | AStorm | zakkm: from repos |
| 21:58.34 | zakkm | though im using nvouclear theme? |
| 21:58.36 | zakkm | heard of it? |
| 21:58.38 | AStorm | use the gronmayer |
| 21:58.41 | AStorm | yes, I know |
| 21:58.52 | AStorm | for nuvoclear, you'll have to edit the theme or your gtkrc |
| 21:59.03 | zakkm | i dont want the theme program :P |
| 21:59.04 | AStorm | ok, dled, testing |
| 21:59.08 | zakkm | can i edit the gtkrc? |
| 21:59.19 | zakkm | didnt install nano :( |
| 21:59.25 | zakkm | well i had to flash 2008 .. |
| 21:59.51 | AStorm | KotCzarny: kill you, I will |
| 21:59.56 | KotCzarny | mrr? |
| 21:59.59 | AStorm | you gave me some mishmash, but oh well |
| 22:00.22 | AStorm | when I say Tom and Jerry, I mean it, not some spoof with modified soundtrack |
| 22:00.23 | AStorm | ;P |
| 22:00.25 | KotCzarny | second hit from google |
| 22:00.29 | AStorm | mishit ;P |
| 22:00.44 | KotCzarny | i have volume==0 so :P |
| 22:00.52 | AStorm | it's a mashup anyway |
| 22:00.54 | KotCzarny | could have missed it |
| 22:00.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:00.56 | AStorm | should've noticed |
| 22:01.13 | AStorm | anyway, no skips here with .24 |
| 22:01.51 | AStorm | and by no I mean 0 |
| 22:01.52 | lardman | I don't suppose it's possible to compile a 770 kernel with a chinook toolchain is it? |
| 22:02.03 | AStorm | lardman: it is, why not? |
| 22:02.08 | AStorm | just give proper -march |
| 22:02.14 | AStorm | (kernel takes care of that) |
| 22:02.15 | lardman | AStorm: different abi? |
| 22:02.19 | AStorm | same abi |
| 22:02.23 | AStorm | ARMv4 |
| 22:02.55 | AStorm | AKA arm-none-linux-gnueabi |
| 22:02.56 | lardman | hmm, I thought there had been a change to EABI? |
| 22:03.07 | AStorm | it was EABI from the start |
| 22:03.37 | ssvb | AStorm: OS2005 used OABI |
| 22:03.39 | lardman | ah, that's ok then, I'll give it a go |
| 22:03.47 | AStorm | ssvb: yep, but not OS2006 |
| 22:03.47 | lardman | hmm |
| 22:04.00 | lardman | what was os2006, Mistral, Gregale? |
| 22:04.22 | AStorm | ssvb: with .24, there were 13 drops out of 5563 frames |
| 22:04.26 | AStorm | testing .27 |
| 22:05.26 | ssvb | lardman: and scirocco too, these were sequential minor updates 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2 |
| 22:05.50 | lardman | ssvb: can you remember if these were EABI or OABI? |
| 22:06.00 | zakkm | AStorm: so what is the best so far? |
| 22:06.04 | ssvb | lardman: these are all EABI |
| 22:06.04 | lardman | or was OABI only maemo 1.x? |
| 22:06.14 | ssvb | yes |
| 22:06.19 | AStorm | zakkm: what best? |
| 22:06.25 | lardman | ok, makes life easier, thanks chaps |
| 22:06.38 | AStorm | hmm, in non-embedded mode, I can't *see* the difference |
| 22:06.48 | AStorm | or barely can see |
| 22:07.13 | AStorm | maybe it's embedded mode that makes a large diff |
| 22:07.22 | KotCzarny | or watching from net |
| 22:07.30 | AStorm | btw, in .27, movie is scaled with aspect |
| 22:08.10 | ssvb | AStorm: is it a good or bad thing? |
| 22:08.14 | AStorm | good |
| 22:08.17 | zakkm | nonembedded mode? |
| 22:08.34 | AStorm | zakkm: mplayer can be embedded, it's some switch |
| 22:08.38 | KotCzarny | It doesn't matter whether you win or lose -- until you lose. |
| 22:08.39 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:08.43 | AStorm | it can then paint |
| 22:08.47 | Atarii | zakkm did you find the 12/14pt themes? |
| 22:08.51 | AStorm | on an already existing canvas |
| 22:09.12 | AStorm | hmm, .27 dropped 10 frames |
| 22:09.23 | AStorm | but in embedded mode, it's visibly worse |
| 22:09.35 | AStorm | really, easily visibly |
| 22:09.44 | AStorm | want a movie of that? |
| 22:10.01 | AStorm | (fortunately, I have a webcam) |
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| 22:10.15 | NullM0dem | anyone here order from new egg? |
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| 22:12.50 | ssvb | AStorm: ok, thank you, I'll try to look into it |
| 22:12.50 | AStorm | KotCzarny: care to give me a link to "Is there a doctor in the mouse?" instead? |
| 22:12.58 | KotCzarny | link on yt? |
| 22:13.02 | AStorm | yep |
| 22:13.12 | KotCzarny | i mean give me proper link on yt |
| 22:13.15 | AStorm | ssvb: the skips are regular |
| 22:13.19 | AStorm | not action based |
| 22:13.19 | KotCzarny | that i will convert |
| 22:13.30 | AStorm | like, every second |
| 22:13.37 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, just enter that string in the search |
| 22:13.48 | AStorm | alternatively, author: GhidPitesti |
| 22:14.02 | AStorm | ssvb: they are like, every second |
| 22:14.48 | AStorm | maybe it's file transfer |
| 22:15.08 | unixSnob | I've noticed the flash player unable to handle web pages quite often lately. BBC News flash videos stopped working. |
| 22:15.21 | AStorm | it depends, here it does quite well |
| 22:15.45 | KotCzarny | astorm: http://tiny.pl/nr1w |
| 22:15.56 | AStorm | ok |
| 22:16.14 | zakkm | can anyone send me a videoplayer deb link for 2008HE please |
| 22:17.11 | zakkm | media player trying to play a small mp3 . .totally like freezes my nokia |
| 22:17.40 | AStorm | hmm, Hacker Edition all right ;P |
| 22:18.02 | AStorm | probably dsp code doesn't work |
| 22:18.13 | zakkm | it plays it |
| 22:18.20 | zakkm | but on screen .. it like so slow it seems frozen |
| 22:18.45 | AStorm | normal, slow CPU ;P |
| 22:18.56 | zakkm | but playing a mp3? |
| 22:18.58 | AStorm | you'd have to use a better player |
| 22:19.02 | zakkm | on the builtin media player |
| 22:19.02 | lcuk2 | astorm, have you got the cpu meter thing running - that refreshes entire display 1 second and seens to cause dropped frames (since its the only thing continuously updating even though software is in front |
| 22:19.14 | AStorm | lcuk2: hmmhmm |
| 22:19.22 | AStorm | but it doesn't add skips in .24 |
| 22:19.23 | lcuk2 | worth a try.. |
| 22:19.29 | AStorm | I'll check |
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| 22:19.43 | AStorm | might be stupid cpu scheduler biting again |
| 22:19.53 | KotCzarny | renice X to -1 ? |
| 22:19.54 | lcuk2 | feels that pain |
| 22:20.01 | zakkm | omg the battery went to half |
| 22:20.03 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, that will make it worse! |
| 22:20.04 | lcuk2 | nice doesnt boost cpu |
| 22:20.06 | zakkm | this is killing my battery |
| 22:20.11 | KotCzarny | astorm: have you tried? |
| 22:20.14 | ssvb | AStorm: I suspect that I know what is the problem |
| 22:20.15 | AStorm | zakkm: normal, it's fairly discharged |
| 22:20.16 | zakkm | could it be the metalayer crawler? i havent killed it yet |
| 22:20.29 | AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, it is the default |
| 22:20.30 | KotCzarny | lcuk2: but may introduce visible glitches |
| 22:20.34 | zakkm | fairly discharged??? |
| 22:20.39 | AStorm | added stalls everywhere |
| 22:21.00 | AStorm | so, this scheduler has to die, a violent death |
| 22:21.16 | AStorm | it's totally unfair |
| 22:21.16 | lcuk2 | just lower its threshhold percentage |
| 22:21.20 | KotCzarny | bring back 1.3.x happy times? |
| 22:21.34 | AStorm | nice 0 tasks get better interactive boosts than -1 |
| 22:21.39 | *** join/#maemo Crfrod (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26) |
| 22:21.39 | AStorm | KotCzarny: what times? ;P |
| 22:21.55 | KotCzarny | redhat 4.0.4 (or 3.0.3 don't remember) |
| 22:22.01 | lcuk2 | echo 40 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold ;) |
| 22:22.03 | KotCzarny | my first linux cd :> |
| 22:22.37 | AStorm | KotCzarny: CFS is better, thank you |
| 22:22.50 | AStorm | lcuk2: that doesn't have *anything* to do with cpufreq |
| 22:22.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:22.59 | AStorm | and everything to do with nice 0 |
| 22:23.03 | *** join/#maemo b0unc3 (n=b0unc3@host-84-223-152-211.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:23.04 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:23.15 | zakkm | in 2008HE how do i set swap? |
| 22:23.16 | lcuk2 | yes it does. if the cpu uses more than 40% over the period then it will remain high |
| 22:23.23 | AStorm | ssvb: how do I make a movie scale to fullscreen, ignoring aspect? |
| 22:23.24 | lcuk2 | the default is 80% |
| 22:23.36 | KotCzarny | -fs -zoom -noaspect ? |
| 22:23.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:23.38 | AStorm | lcuk2: this isn't a problem |
| 22:23.42 | AStorm | ah, -noaspect, thx |
| 22:23.43 | ssvb | AStorm: -noaspect option |
| 22:23.45 | AStorm | no manpage on N |
| 22:23.52 | KotCzarny | you have google |
| 22:23.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:24.05 | AStorm | fail, doesn't work ;P |
| 22:24.30 | KotCzarny | how do you call it? |
| 22:24.32 | AStorm | added all three |
| 22:24.43 | AStorm | mplayer -fs -zoom -noaspect -benchmark tnj.flv |
| 22:25.18 | KotCzarny | any suspicious messages ? |
| 22:25.27 | AStorm | no |
| 22:25.31 | ssvb | AStorm: i suspect that the problem is related to streaming and nonuniform data read speed in audio decoder |
| 22:25.32 | KotCzarny | maybe -scale too |
| 22:25.36 | AStorm | just 320x320->320x320 |
| 22:25.40 | ssvb | AStorm: try -ac ffmp3 |
| 22:25.54 | AStorm | ssvb: I get message that dspmp3 didn't work |
| 22:26.08 | KotCzarny | it's disabled on os2008 |
| 22:26.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:26.14 | AStorm | KotCzarny: invalid option |
| 22:26.16 | KotCzarny | unless you reenable it yourself |
| 22:26.17 | AStorm | -vf scale is wrong too |
| 22:26.36 | KotCzarny | i mean dspmp3 (gst) |
| 22:26.40 | zakkm | is there any way to speed up browsing on 2008HE / nokia 770 |
| 22:26.51 | KotCzarny | zakkm: use links browser |
| 22:26.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:27.01 | AStorm | ssvb: well, how do I make canola respect the option? |
| 22:27.07 | zakkm | it didnt want to display google results.. on 2006SE |
| 22:27.15 | zakkm | it would show web / images/ and stuff at top |
| 22:27.17 | AStorm | drop it into /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf (or what it's called) |
| 22:27.18 | zakkm | but not my actual search -.- |
| 22:28.35 | AStorm | but then, to fully get the conditions, I need non-aspect scaling |
| 22:28.44 | AStorm | doesn't work right now with any options |
| 22:29.02 | *** join/#maemo dougt (n=dougt@guest-226.mountainview.mozilla.com) |
| 22:29.03 | KotCzarny | snoop canola cmd line? |
| 22:29.12 | KotCzarny | ie. run vid in canola and ps axww ? |
| 22:29.21 | AStorm | it's embedded mode, hmmm |
| 22:29.27 | AStorm | but I'll try |
| 22:29.29 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:29.47 | zakkm | whats embedded mode |
| 22:29.53 | AStorm | ... |
| 22:31.18 | zakkm | would google docs work well on the 2008HE? |
| 22:31.23 | AStorm | blah, flv don't show up in scanner, will have to launch some |
| 22:31.28 | AStorm | zakkm: yes, why not? |
| 22:31.31 | Atarii | zakkm check out the logs for this chan from earlier today |
| 22:31.34 | zakkm | didnt in 2006? |
| 22:31.38 | KotCzarny | astorm: rename them to avi |
| 22:31.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:31.43 | Atarii | i went through most of your questions with someone else earlier :p |
| 22:31.46 | AStorm | KotCzarny: in a while |
| 22:32.21 | ssvb | ok, bye guys, I need to have some sleep... |
| 22:32.24 | AStorm | hmm, and now it isn't skipping? wtf? |
| 22:32.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.40 | AStorm | or maybe is, but too slightly |
| 22:32.43 | KotCzarny | local file? |
| 22:32.47 | *** join/#maemo lardman_ (n=simon@84.13.240.93) |
| 22:32.48 | KotCzarny | vs network? |
| 22:32.50 | AStorm | ah, no download |
| 22:32.52 | AStorm | yes, local file |
| 22:33.34 | AStorm | ok, so the skipping is cpu scheduler being an idiot |
| 22:33.34 | AStorm | wants to kill the O(rand()) scheduler |
| 22:33.54 | KotCzarny | fiight! |
| 22:33.58 | AStorm | I prefer O(log n) to O(rand()) |
| 22:34.09 | AStorm | KotCzarny: first, I need a recent kernel up |
| 22:34.16 | AStorm | this needs more time |
| 22:34.39 | AStorm | when ssvb is back, tell him it's caused by download |
| 22:35.07 | AStorm | although, I remember local vids also having more problems, retesting... |
| 22:35.22 | KotCzarny | flush cache |
| 22:35.24 | KotCzarny | beforehand |
| 22:35.31 | KotCzarny | there's a /proc switch for that |
| 22:35.36 | Atarii | there's 264 people in this chan, yet it's only ever like 6 people talking lol |
| 22:35.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: that might be it |
| 22:35.44 | KotCzarny | atarii: new to irc? |
| 22:35.48 | AStorm | Atarii: as usual on IRC |
| 22:35.55 | AStorm | only very busy channels have more |
| 22:36.02 | AStorm | I suggest #gentoo as an example |
| 22:36.09 | KotCzarny | or #sex ? |
| 22:36.13 | Atarii | kot not new to irc :p |
| 22:36.22 | zakkm | is kagu any good? for music playback |
| 22:36.23 | Atarii | crazy idlers |
| 22:36.24 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, that's empty? ;P |
| 22:36.24 | KotCzarny | atarii: seems like :P |
| 22:36.38 | Atarii | i was IRCing when you was still in nappies :p |
| 22:36.40 | KotCzarny | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 22:36.48 | KotCzarny | # To free pagecache, dentries and inodes: |
| 22:36.54 | elb | this is pretty typical for an IRC channel of this size |
| 22:36.57 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, canola preloads flv |
| 22:37.08 | KotCzarny | whole? |
| 22:37.10 | elb | it varies with the network ... freenode channels are almost all topical |
| 22:37.15 | KotCzarny | and it's not canola i guess |
| 22:37.21 | KotCzarny | only -cache option in mplayer |
| 22:37.27 | AStorm | but it's not that |
| 22:37.42 | AStorm | sorry, large movie skips after playback and rollback |
| 22:37.43 | KotCzarny | still useful for mainatining same conditions on every test |
| 22:37.55 | AStorm | same scenes are skipping ;P |
| 22:38.04 | KotCzarny | more bitrate ? :P |
| 22:38.25 | AStorm | yes |
| 22:38.25 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:38.29 | AStorm | but it doesn't skip with .24 |
| 22:38.34 | KotCzarny | 3mb of free space |
| 22:38.37 | KotCzarny | bad. |
| 22:38.41 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 22:38.58 | KotCzarny | (on my 2nd pc) |
| 22:38.58 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:39.38 | AStorm | I see 2 mplayers |
| 22:39.43 | KotCzarny | threads |
| 22:39.48 | AStorm | long options, e.g. -wid |
| 22:39.50 | AStorm | yp |
| 22:39.52 | lardman_ | the crafty buggers |
| 22:39.59 | AStorm | -slave |
| 22:40.08 | AStorm | and -idx! |
| 22:40.12 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:40.14 | AStorm | why does it put that, d'oh |
| 22:40.17 | lardman_ | they set the framebuffer size to 0x100000 on the 770, but on the n8x0 it's set to its actual size |
| 22:40.20 | fysa | zakkm, best way to speed up the browser is to use VNC to another machine.. |
| 22:40.22 | KotCzarny | for seeking? |
| 22:40.26 | AStorm | other than that, control disablers |
| 22:40.31 | AStorm | but it still does scale |
| 22:41.09 | KotCzarny | do you see compl;ete line? |
| 22:41.13 | KotCzarny | or just 80chars ? |
| 22:41.58 | AStorm | full |
| 22:42.27 | AStorm | ok, got it, it's -vo xv |
| 22:42.32 | AStorm | I sense fail |
| 22:42.41 | AStorm | default options are faster |
| 22:42.45 | AStorm | much faster |
| 22:43.26 | AStorm | need to bash some canola dev |
| 22:43.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:44.41 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@129.84-49-131.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:45.38 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.54 | *** join/#maemo henrique (n=henrique@unaffiliated/henrique) |
| 22:47.28 | Atarii | mmm paluszki |
| 22:47.33 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 22:47.37 | KotCzarny | polak? |
| 22:47.41 | KotCzarny | kolejny? |
| 22:47.42 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:47.42 | AStorm | Atarii: argh, invasion of POLISH PEOPLE! |
| 22:47.50 | Atarii | lol im not polish |
| 22:47.56 | Atarii | i hav polish friends : |
| 22:48.00 | AStorm | fortunately ;P |
| 22:48.10 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 22:48.14 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 22:48.15 | AStorm | that would be fifth here |
| 22:48.31 | Atarii | i can speak some polish but not write it |
| 22:48.33 | AStorm | oh, wait, sixth |
| 22:48.41 | Atarii | i like the food, and love the drink ;) |
| 22:48.50 | KotCzarny | the drink? |
| 22:48.55 | Atarii | vodka! |
| 22:49.00 | KotCzarny | it's russian |
| 22:49.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:49.03 | AStorm | firewater, obviously |
| 22:49.10 | Atarii | debowa |
| 22:49.11 | AStorm | but of Polish production ;P |
| 22:49.15 | NullM0dem | vodka is russian and polish |
| 22:49.19 | Atarii | zubrowka |
| 22:49.29 | NullM0dem | im polish |
| 22:49.38 | AStorm | NullM0dem: damnit, 6 |
| 22:49.40 | NullM0dem | well american polish |
| 22:49.40 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 22:49.41 | NullM0dem | heh |
| 22:49.48 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:50.08 | NullM0dem | we invaded along time ago |
| 22:50.10 | AStorm | What is it in N that attracts Poles to it? |
| 22:50.14 | KotCzarny | well, i'm internetish |
| 22:50.20 | KotCzarny | to be honest |
| 22:50.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:50.37 | AStorm | my nationality is Gentoo ;P |
| 22:50.51 | NullM0dem | mine is slackware / LFS |
| 22:50.53 | zakkm | mine is BSD :P |
| 22:51.06 | AStorm | LFS, been there |
| 22:51.08 | NullM0dem | open/free/net or drgaonfly |
| 22:51.13 | AStorm | quite nice, but messy |
| 22:51.16 | NullM0dem | yes |
| 22:51.23 | zakkm | im not. im just trying to beat gentoo ;p |
| 22:51.42 | NullM0dem | what do you mean beat, gentoo beats you |
| 22:51.44 | AStorm | ;P |
| 22:51.50 | AStorm | don't, it has problems already |
| 22:51.56 | zakkm | ive used gentoo for like 6 months |
| 22:52.00 | KotCzarny | slackware is almost lfs |
| 22:52.01 | zakkm | but never messed with it too much |
| 22:52.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:52.35 | NullM0dem | I started with dragonlinux on top of 98, I used 98 for 3 weeks and switched to linux |
| 22:52.37 | KotCzarny | i like slack because of simplicity and stability |
| 22:52.42 | KotCzarny | (in that order) |
| 22:52.50 | zakkm | not speed? :D |
| 22:52.58 | KotCzarny | speed? |
| 22:52.59 | NullM0dem | I love it, I do use debian as well |
| 22:53.00 | KotCzarny | on a laptop? |
| 22:53.04 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:53.15 | zakkm | speed is important |
| 22:53.16 | KotCzarny | for speed it doesn't matter what distro it is |
| 22:53.28 | KotCzarny | i'm running fluxbox instead of kde (default) |
| 22:53.44 | zakkm | fluxbox is nice |
| 22:53.45 | zakkm | :D |
| 22:53.47 | KotCzarny | and my custom kernel |
| 22:53.50 | zakkm | run xcompmgr? |
| 22:53.54 | zakkm | or ecomorph? |
| 22:53.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:53.58 | NullM0dem | well RHEL or ubuntu on say a 500mhz with 128 mega ram vs slackware? you would see a big differance |
| 22:54.16 | zakkm | redhat has Security thingy |
| 22:54.19 | zakkm | that makes it really slow :P |
| 22:54.25 | NullM0dem | yeah SElinux does slow everything down |
| 22:54.47 | zakkm | how do i delete the whole metalayer-crawler simplely ( new flashed 2008HE.. cant install apps/ never did yet ) |
| 22:55.13 | KotCzarny | zakkm: remove the symlink starting it in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 22:55.22 | KotCzarny | or change S to K in the name |
| 22:55.23 | zakkm | i can do cd /etc ? in xterminal? |
| 22:55.32 | KotCzarny | root needed for renaming though |
| 22:55.40 | KotCzarny | so ssh/gainroot |
| 22:55.47 | zakkm | i cant install apps -.- |
| 22:55.54 | zakkm | unless i can get the deb on my pc? |
| 22:55.58 | zakkm | i have no wifi..>! |
| 22:56.06 | Atarii | use linux flasher to enable R&D mode |
| 22:56.16 | *** join/#maemo penguinbait (n=kvirc@c-68-62-90-22.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 22:56.36 | KotCzarny | panguinbait: hello |
| 22:56.38 | zakkm | something is killing my battery |
| 22:56.39 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 22:56.41 | KotCzarny | penguinbait |
| 22:56.51 | zakkm | and taking alot of cpu this is so slow :D |
| 22:56.55 | penguinbait | hey |
| 22:57.01 | zakkm | i heard adblock app ? increases browser speed? |
| 22:57.06 | zakkm | what about microb vs default? |
| 22:57.08 | AStorm | Ok, fyi: -vo xv disables omapfb scaler for some reason |
| 22:57.18 | KotCzarny | pb: care to share fluxbox on os2008 howto? |
| 22:57.21 | zakkm | can you do -vo x11 ? |
| 22:57.32 | AStorm | I can do -vo omapfb |
| 22:57.33 | KotCzarny | -vo omapfb |
| 22:57.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:57.39 | KotCzarny | it's better |
| 22:57.49 | zakkm | -vo opengl :D |
| 22:57.50 | penguinbait | KotC its like nike |
| 22:57.56 | penguinbait | just do it |
| 22:57.59 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:58.02 | zakkm | hey |
| 22:58.10 | zakkm | Kot: you can do -vo null .. and make it a audio player? |
| 22:58.13 | KotCzarny | pb: still, all those dsme and tips would be nice |
| 22:58.18 | KotCzarny | zakkm: yes |
| 22:58.29 | KotCzarny | but i think you should also do -vc null or something |
| 22:58.37 | penguinbait | I am merely a hack, you dont want my tips :) |
| 22:58.41 | KotCzarny | because it will waste cycles for vid devoding |
| 22:58.51 | KotCzarny | pb: i'm a hacker! ;) |
| 22:58.57 | KotCzarny | pb: i like hack tips |
| 22:58.59 | zakkm | ah |
| 22:59.24 | penguinbait | best hack tip ever! |
| 22:59.28 | penguinbait | RTFM |
| 22:59.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:59.34 | KotCzarny | which manual? |
| 22:59.38 | penguinbait | all of them |
| 22:59.47 | *** join/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@190.2.197.194) |
| 22:59.51 | KotCzarny | not going to happen in human life |
| 22:59.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:00.16 | penguinbait | I need a memory upgrade desprately |
| 23:00.29 | zakkm | why is GPS enabled in 2008HE -.- |
| 23:00.35 | KotCzarny | i need a new chair |
| 23:00.36 | zakkm | disabling mightve helped things? |
| 23:01.00 | KotCzarny | maybe it assumes someone could want to use it? |
| 23:01.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:01.07 | Grackle | What might it help? |
| 23:01.11 | zakkm | is there GPS on nokia 770 ? |
| 23:01.19 | KotCzarny | grackle: memory footprint? |
| 23:01.28 | KotCzarny | zakkm: does 770 have bluetooth? |
| 23:01.30 | zakkm | memory is high on the 2008HE for a nokia :P |
| 23:01.37 | zakkm | Kot: i believe so? |
| 23:01.41 | zakkm | for phone access? |
| 23:01.47 | KotCzarny | then bt gps |
| 23:01.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:01.54 | zakkm | bt gps? |
| 23:01.56 | zakkm | o |
| 23:01.59 | zakkm | ??? |
| 23:02.05 | zakkm | it only connects to phones though |
| 23:02.08 | zakkm | it wouldnt connect to my pc? |
| 23:02.12 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:02.21 | KotCzarny | pan or something |
| 23:02.28 | KotCzarny | never used yet |
| 23:02.43 | zakkm | any like speed tricks for 2008HE? |
| 23:02.46 | *** join/#maemo mardi__ (n=mardi_@host81-146-17-191.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net) |
| 23:02.52 | zakkm | should i be using a custom kernel? or something |
| 23:02.59 | penguinbait | run it on a n800/810 |
| 23:03.02 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:03.08 | penguinbait | should make it faster |
| 23:03.14 | zakkm | give me a n800/810 and ill be sure to use it :D |
| 23:03.23 | zakkm | even send you pics if you would like |
| 23:03.28 | NullM0dem | heh |
| 23:03.39 | KotCzarny | i use n800 in the toilet often |
| 23:03.41 | NullM0dem | woah, heya penguin bait! |
| 23:03.47 | KotCzarny | nice for those lengthy waits |
| 23:03.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:03.58 | penguinbait | hey |
| 23:04.06 | NullM0dem | ive been anticipating that use |
| 23:04.07 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:04.33 | KotCzarny | previously i have used some china made tetris game |
| 23:04.36 | KotCzarny | worked nicely too |
| 23:04.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:05.08 | lcuk2 | zakkm, ill send you pics of my 810 if you send pics of you using it |
| 23:05.23 | NullM0dem | penguinbait: just wanted to say hey, Im new to maemo, and have read quite a deal of what you have written. |
| 23:05.29 | zakkm | lcuk2 : no thanks :D |
| 23:05.42 | zakkm | im scared all of you are really old :D |
| 23:05.49 | penguinbait | nice to meet ya |
| 23:05.49 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:05.53 | KotCzarny | like 50 |
| 23:05.58 | zakkm | wow |
| 23:06.01 | zakkm | im 17 ^^;; |
| 23:06.08 | shapr | I'm old. |
| 23:06.15 | penguinbait | me too |
| 23:06.18 | penguinbait | I think ?? |
| 23:06.22 | lcuk2 | 50. 50! when i was 50 we used to have to get our internet from a fella down 'th street |
| 23:06.22 | KotCzarny | inside or outside? |
| 23:06.32 | Atarii | lol |
| 23:06.33 | briand | 17? dang.. you're not even out of alpha, yet... let alone beta!! |
| 23:06.48 | penguinbait | ok, I'm in the middle somewhere |
| 23:06.50 | zakkm | Milestone :D |
| 23:06.53 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 23:07.07 | briand | milestone? not even at a 'dot-release' yet |
| 23:07.09 | briand | heheh |
| 23:07.10 | KotCzarny | does it matter |
| 23:07.22 | KotCzarny | you are always 'there and now' |
| 23:07.28 | KotCzarny | no matter where and when you are |
| 23:07.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:07.33 | lcuk2 | biwnite folks goin watchin end of terminator sarah thingy |
| 23:07.35 | briand | not me. |
| 23:07.37 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
| 23:07.39 | briand | I'm 'here and now', always |
| 23:07.40 | zakkm | lcuk |
| 23:07.43 | zakkm | is that season 2? |
| 23:07.56 | zakkm | i saw s1 1-10 but i thought that was it? |
| 23:08.02 | lcuk2 | no! they only just announced that it might happen |
| 23:08.08 | lcuk2 | 1..10 ? |
| 23:08.12 | lcuk2 | i thought there was only 9 |
| 23:08.13 | KotCzarny | terminator series? |
| 23:08.15 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 23:08.19 | lcuk2 | yer |
| 23:08.21 | zakkm | oh |
| 23:08.25 | zakkm | maybe 9 lol |
| 23:08.46 | briand | maybe it's zero-indexed, so 9 would be the 10th... ;) |
| 23:08.50 | lcuk2 | im just settling down to watch finale, if ive gotta download another now im gonna have a shitfit |
| 23:09.07 | zakkm | how come web is soooooooooooooooooooo slow.. on a local html file? |
| 23:09.17 | zakkm | web rbrowser is so unusable |
| 23:09.22 | KotCzarny | zakkm: not enough free memory |
| 23:09.26 | lcuk2 | you are lucky, theres only 9 |
| 23:09.30 | zakkm | i gave swap? |
| 23:09.36 | lcuk2 | gnite all |
| 23:09.37 | KotCzarny | that could get core milion to halt |
| 23:09.45 | zakkm | ? |
| 23:09.58 | KotCzarny | does it use it? |
| 23:10.11 | zakkm | you tell me lol |
| 23:10.13 | KotCzarny | what's the output of 'free' ? |
| 23:10.19 | zakkm | onesec |
| 23:10.19 | penguinbait | anybody want to test my boot from SD deb? |
| 23:10.25 | zakkm | ok its frozen |
| 23:10.26 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:10.35 | KotCzarny | yup, low memory situation |
| 23:10.50 | KotCzarny | probably ate all memory and swap |
| 23:11.04 | zakkm | i gave as much as i have |
| 23:11.08 | zakkm | all i have is the original 64mb ? |
| 23:11.08 | KotCzarny | pity there's no flash memory activity led |
| 23:11.10 | penguinbait | n900 needs 512MB RAM |
| 23:11.23 | elb | say bye-bye to battery life! |
| 23:11.26 | KotCzarny | pb: and 3Ah battery? |
| 23:11.29 | penguinbait | who uses flash anyway? |
| 23:11.32 | zakkm | elb???? |
| 23:11.38 | KotCzarny | pb: sd is flash |
| 23:11.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:11.45 | elb | zakkm: ??????????? what? |
| 23:11.49 | zakkm | i have to use RS-MMC -.- |
| 23:11.59 | penguinbait | not the flash I was referring to |
| 23:12.27 | KotCzarny | pb: for adobe's flash, youtube uses it |
| 23:12.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:12.44 | zakkm | wht the |
| 23:12.51 | zakkm | with no apps except terminal |
| 23:12.59 | KotCzarny | killed |
| 23:13.01 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:13.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:13.17 | zakkm | total 62224 used 60800 free 1424 |
| 23:13.21 | zakkm | what happened there? !?!?!? |
| 23:13.28 | fysa | zakkm, OS2008 was NOT meant for 64mb |
| 23:13.30 | zakkm | just xterm is open |
| 23:13.32 | fysa | it's a hack. |
| 23:13.37 | zakkm | oh |
| 23:13.41 | KotCzarny | zakkm: you need bigger swap |
| 23:13.41 | zakkm | how come its not accepting my swap |
| 23:13.45 | KotCzarny | or another browser |
| 23:13.46 | zakkm | it shows blank |
| 23:13.48 | zakkm | but i have a swap file |
| 23:13.49 | KotCzarny | links2 for example |
| 23:13.58 | zakkm | can i do links -g? |
| 23:14.01 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:14.15 | KotCzarny | but you have to compile it for yourself |
| 23:14.18 | zakkm | does the one in repos have the -g useflag? |
| 23:14.20 | KotCzarny | or find the binary somewhere |
| 23:14.24 | KotCzarny | try it |
| 23:14.27 | zakkm | cant |
| 23:14.28 | zakkm | no wifi |
| 23:14.29 | zakkm | ;p |
| 23:14.38 | *** join/#maemo |thunde1 (n=user@c-68-62-27-14.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:14.38 | penguinbait | its in the icewm tarball posted on ITT |
| 23:14.39 | KotCzarny | usually if the size >1.5mb it has graphics compiled in |
| 23:14.39 | zakkm | how come its not accepting my swap partition |
| 23:14.58 | KotCzarny | define 'not accepting' |
| 23:15.09 | penguinbait | did you mkswap it |
| 23:15.13 | zakkm | its not showing it as being used |
| 23:15.14 | NullM0dem | penguinbait: youv'e pretty much ported 90% of the apps i would like to run on my n810 :- |
| 23:15.23 | zakkm | i used the control panel - memory. .for 2006? |
| 23:15.27 | zakkm | and then i flashed for '08 |
| 23:15.31 | penguinbait | oh |
| 23:15.37 | KotCzarny | then you have to reenable it again |
| 23:16.28 | KotCzarny | but beware if it sets up swap on internal flash instead of mmc :) |
| 23:16.51 | zakkm | theres only 13mb left on internal -.- |
| 23:16.55 | zakkm | wht the hell |
| 23:16.59 | zakkm | i cant install anything? much |
| 23:17.13 | KotCzarny | os2008 is.. bigger |
| 23:17.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:17.24 | zakkm | i really really like it :D |
| 23:17.30 | Atarii | zakkm uninstall stuff, like the help files |
| 23:17.38 | penguinbait | boot from SD/mmc. its faster anyway |
| 23:17.38 | zakkm | oh |
| 23:17.40 | zakkm | how? |
| 23:17.48 | zakkm | boot from 64mb? |
| 23:17.52 | KotCzarny | he has 64mb mmc card |
| 23:17.54 | zakkm | i have a nokia 770.. can i do SD? |
| 23:17.59 | KotCzarny | not going to fit |
| 23:18.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:18.06 | zakkm | minisd/micro? |
| 23:18.06 | penguinbait | buy a 2gb its like 15$ |
| 23:18.11 | zakkm | link me |
| 23:18.11 | KotCzarny | you should have at least 256mb |
| 23:18.17 | KotCzarny | pb: rs-mmc ? |
| 23:18.17 | zakkm | penguin link me |
| 23:18.23 | KotCzarny | it's 770 |
| 23:18.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:18.35 | zakkm | i was going to buy off ebay but i dont know .. risky posts? |
| 23:18.36 | |thunde1 | 8gb at best buy this week for 50$ |
| 23:18.41 | penguinbait | I have 2GB mmc mobile kingston, bought it for 770, use it in 800 |
| 23:18.59 | zakkm | jthunde1: rs-mmc? |
| 23:19.20 | penguinbait | I have 8GB kingston, but now I need 8GB micro/miniSD |
| 23:19.25 | zakkm | how much would ANYTHING thats compatible on the 770 .. be for like 1gb/2gb? |
| 23:19.32 | penguinbait | 15$ |
| 23:19.39 | zakkm | where how? whats it called? |
| 23:19.42 | zakkm | cheapest |
| 23:20.18 | zakkm | there weo go :D its making a 32mb swap lol |
| 23:20.37 | KotCzarny | bargainslane.com/shop/index.php?p=MMCM/2GB |
| 23:20.51 | KotCzarny | 17$ |
| 23:21.11 | zakkm | i dont trust the site :P |
| 23:21.20 | zakkm | or should i? |
| 23:21.21 | KotCzarny | google says it's 4.5/5 |
| 23:21.25 | penguinbait | newegg has 1gb trancend 8.69 |
| 23:21.29 | zakkm | :O |
| 23:21.31 | KotCzarny | 10 ratings |
| 23:21.33 | zakkm | trancend will work? |
| 23:21.45 | zakkm | im in Toronto, Canada by the way. .. |
| 23:21.46 | penguinbait | its says mmc mobile |
| 23:21.58 | penguinbait | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208055 |
| 23:22.05 | KotCzarny | toronto seems like a big city |
| 23:22.05 | zakkm | i have two tigerdirect's within 30min from my house? |
| 23:22.09 | KotCzarny | no big stores there? |
| 23:22.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:22.12 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:22.15 | zakkm | cant find rs-mmc's |
| 23:22.19 | zakkm | well havent really looked lol |
| 23:22.24 | zakkm | it is a big city |
| 23:22.28 | zakkm | 1/7 of canada lives in Toronto |
| 23:22.31 | KotCzarny | no online shops for those stores? |
| 23:22.45 | zakkm | well yeah but online doesnt show enough/ i dont know sites |
| 23:22.46 | |thunde1 | zakkm: sd, class 4 |
| 23:22.57 | lardman_ | night all |
| 23:23.13 | zakkm | mmc mobile = rs-mmc? |
| 23:23.21 | AStorm | maybe |
| 23:23.25 | penguinbait | mine is |
| 23:23.35 | penguinbait | kingston 2gb mmc mobile |
| 23:23.41 | penguinbait | used it in 770 |
| 23:23.46 | penguinbait | when I had one |
| 23:23.48 | KotCzarny | anyway 10$ isn't that much |
| 23:23.53 | KotCzarny | even if it fails to work |
| 23:23.57 | zakkm | im in canada though |
| 23:23.59 | zakkm | newegg ships? |
| 23:24.07 | penguinbait | I think newegg ships to CA |
| 23:24.20 | zakkm | would it cost alot? |
| 23:24.23 | KotCzarny | isn't CA an acronym for california? |
| 23:24.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:24.37 | KotCzarny | now, .ca is actually more like canada :) |
| 23:25.13 | zakkm | there we go |
| 23:25.29 | penguinbait | CA is for canada, but I am from Michigan |
| 23:25.30 | zakkm | total - 94980 used 65024 free 29956 |
| 23:26.54 | KotCzarny | stop metalayer-crawl |
| 23:26.59 | KotCzarny | it eats ~10-30mb |
| 23:27.13 | KotCzarny | and cpu too |
| 23:27.16 | KotCzarny | sometimes |
| 23:27.30 | zakkm | wow |
| 23:27.34 | KotCzarny | you will loose medialibraries |
| 23:27.37 | zakkm | how can i .. without wifi ? |
| 23:27.44 | zakkm | which does? |
| 23:27.47 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:27.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:28.00 | KotCzarny | why no wifi? |
| 23:28.01 | zakkm | yeah my nokia is better with swap lol |
| 23:28.04 | zakkm | no wifi in my house? |
| 23:28.08 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 23:28.09 | zakkm | and neighbors are locked wifi |
| 23:28.14 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:28.16 | Atarii | just download via pc then transfer over cable? |
| 23:28.21 | KotCzarny | get a wifi router for 10-20$ |
| 23:28.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:28.23 | zakkm | can you help me find |
| 23:28.25 | KotCzarny | any should do |
| 23:28.25 | zakkm | i got a wifi router |
| 23:28.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:28.27 | zakkm | just not plugged in |
| 23:28.34 | zakkm | dont trust it .. and i only recently got my nokia |
| 23:28.48 | *** join/#maemo Tuco (n=Y@unaffiliated/tuco) |
| 23:29.17 | KotCzarny | you can screw off the antenna |
| 23:29.22 | KotCzarny | and lower wifi tx power |
| 23:29.30 | KotCzarny | that should minimize risk |
| 23:29.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:29.49 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:29.52 | zakkm | ohhh |
| 23:29.52 | zakkm | yeah |
| 23:29.58 | zakkm | should i set my nokia wifi to 100mw or 10? |
| 23:30.04 | zakkm | and what does it change? |
| 23:30.09 | NullM0dem | zakkm: there is a ontario CA if that is what your reffering too in terms of newegg |
| 23:30.17 | KotCzarny | 10mw is official limit in some countries |
| 23:30.22 | zakkm | sick |
| 23:30.23 | NullM0dem | ca = california, i was confused as well |
| 23:30.29 | zakkm | ontario though.. |
| 23:30.34 | zakkm | Toronto, Ontario, Canada |
| 23:30.44 | KotCzarny | use .ca |
| 23:30.45 | NullM0dem | there is an ontario, california |
| 23:30.50 | zakkm | oh |
| 23:30.50 | KotCzarny | more understandable than CA |
| 23:31.00 | KotCzarny | most people are used to domains |
| 23:31.13 | KotCzarny | (outside us of course) |
| 23:31.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:31.14 | zakkm | newegg.ca coming soon |
| 23:31.15 | zakkm | lol |
| 23:31.16 | NullM0dem | my n810 look slikes its been sitting at the warehouse for 4 days when i look at my tracking info |
| 23:31.24 | AStorm | in all of US, you can use 100mW ;P |
| 23:31.35 | zakkm | whats the difference between 10 and 100 mw? |
| 23:31.39 | AStorm | power |
| 23:31.39 | zakkm | which should i use? |
| 23:31.42 | AStorm | which means, range |
| 23:31.46 | zakkm | oh |
| 23:31.46 | penguinbait | 90 mw |
| 23:31.47 | KotCzarny | try 10 first |
| 23:31.49 | KotCzarny | if it works |
| 23:31.52 | AStorm | you won't save any with 10mW |
| 23:31.55 | KotCzarny | then you can leave it at that |
| 23:31.58 | AStorm | checked with rundown |
| 23:32.01 | AStorm | so there's no point |
| 23:32.01 | zakkm | does 100 use way more power? |
| 23:32.04 | AStorm | no |
| 23:32.08 | unixSnob | I believe I've seen 500 mW amps in the US |
| 23:32.08 | KotCzarny | but you won't reach that many wifi spots |
| 23:32.09 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:32.29 | penguinbait | I have a 2watt 802.11b amp |
| 23:32.30 | AStorm | unixSnob: possible, with low grade antenna |
| 23:32.31 | penguinbait | hehehe |
| 23:32.40 | AStorm | penguinbait: illegal |
| 23:32.41 | zakkm | wait |
| 23:32.45 | zakkm | so 100 = 10x the range? |
| 23:32.46 | penguinbait | ??? |
| 23:32.47 | zakkm | more or less |
| 23:32.50 | penguinbait | dont know |
| 23:32.50 | NullM0dem | sick |
| 23:32.52 | unixSnob | The FCC places no limits on homebrew antennas though |
| 23:32.55 | AStorm | zakkm: no, but quite better |
| 23:32.57 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:33.02 | zakkm | thats all it does? |
| 23:33.03 | KotCzarny | range is planar |
| 23:33.05 | zakkm | is increase signal? |
| 23:33.09 | AStorm | yes, it can reach through walls then |
| 23:33.13 | KotCzarny | so it's more like 1/r^2 |
| 23:33.14 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you're SO wrong |
| 23:33.17 | AStorm | exactly |
| 23:33.24 | zakkm | does it use more power though? |
| 23:33.25 | unixSnob | It's much better to get a dish from freecycle, and mod it for wifi |
| 23:33.27 | AStorm | but with more power, interference means less |
| 23:33.31 | AStorm | zakkm: not measurably more |
| 23:33.36 | zakkm | k |
| 23:33.40 | zakkm | going to change to 100 |
| 23:33.44 | zakkm | see if i can get neighbors wifi :P |
| 23:33.45 | AStorm | unixSnob: and depending on power, illegal |
| 23:34.03 | AStorm | you can't use high sensitivity antennas with high power wifi |
| 23:34.10 | *** join/#maemo corq-FL (n=MI5@197.138.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 23:34.11 | unixSnob | AStorm, no, FCC has a specific allowance for homebrew antennas, I've read it |
| 23:34.16 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:34.29 | unixSnob | Commercially, there are limits on antennas, but there is a hobbyist provision |
| 23:34.30 | AStorm | but you mustn't cause interference anyway |
| 23:34.48 | AStorm | if you do, you'll head will be spiked etc. |
| 23:34.49 | AStorm | ;P |
| 23:34.53 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: doesn't it change depending on freq range ? |
| 23:34.59 | KotCzarny | ie. limits |
| 23:35.02 | penguinbait | much nicer out west where there is no trees |
| 23:35.08 | unixSnob | Hobbyists are not limited by gain factors. |
| 23:35.21 | unixSnob | Well, I'm talking wifi.. 802.11b |
| 23:35.32 | AStorm | unixSnob: yes they are |
| 23:35.40 | AStorm | read FCC rules, again |
| 23:35.47 | AStorm | you may not cause interference |
| 23:35.56 | penguinbait | is Astorm a HAM? |
| 23:35.59 | unixSnob | And the rationale given by the FCC is that hobbyists are not equipped to measure gain, so they don't have to |
| 23:36.04 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:36.06 | AStorm | they're not |
| 23:36.12 | unixSnob | I know what I read, the english was very plain and clear |
| 23:36.14 | penguinbait | who else reads FCC material :) |
| 23:36.18 | AStorm | but if you send high power, you need a low sensitivity antenna |
| 23:36.25 | AStorm | or else you'll cause interference |
| 23:36.42 | AStorm | which means $$$ |
| 23:36.47 | *** join/#maemo zakmm (n=changeme@CPE0004e28fe18c-CM0011e6c4092f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:36.50 | zakmm | thats odd -.- |
| 23:36.58 | zakmm | [09:47] * [10053] Software caused connection abort |
| 23:37.07 | zakmm | mIRC .. windows |
| 23:37.08 | KotCzarny | windows |
| 23:37.09 | KotCzarny | pft |
| 23:37.21 | zakmm | lol |
| 23:37.24 | *** part/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@190.2.197.194) |
| 23:37.29 | zakmm | ive been using linux so long i wanted to use windows lol |
| 23:37.36 | shapr | I tried that. |
| 23:37.37 | AStorm | bad idea |
| 23:37.43 | zakmm | linux wont like my nokia |
| 23:37.44 | penguinbait | you can run mirc on linux |
| 23:37.46 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 23:37.47 | shapr | I tried windows after nine years of linux. |
| 23:37.51 | zakmm | it wouldnt accept my flashdrive |
| 23:37.56 | zakmm | no way |
| 23:37.59 | shapr | Windows is missing a lot of features. |
| 23:38.03 | zakmm | i run irssi on linux -.- |
| 23:38.14 | zakmm | no way default windows might i add... |
| 23:38.17 | NullM0dem | shapr same here, my first win was 98 and i wiped it within 3 monthes |
| 23:38.22 | AStorm | zakkm: what? |
| 23:38.24 | *** join/#maemo |thunde2 (n=user@c-68-62-90-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:38.30 | AStorm | Nokia *is* running Linux |
| 23:38.34 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:38.35 | shapr | I used win95 up until 1999 or so. |
| 23:38.38 | zakmm | yeah and i had irssi? |
| 23:38.39 | zakmm | lol |
| 23:38.43 | shapr | Then I used Linux up until 2008 |
| 23:38.43 | AStorm | yes, it has |
| 23:38.53 | zakmm | yeah i couldnt get it running on 2006 tho |
| 23:38.55 | zakmm | so i ran xchat |
| 23:38.55 | KotCzarny | astorm: that's internal info leakage? |
| 23:38.56 | AStorm | but w/o n810 it's fairly pointless |
| 23:38.58 | AStorm | yes |
| 23:39.02 | zakmm | no |
| 23:39.03 | AStorm | KotCzarny: what internal info? |
| 23:39.04 | zakmm | i can read :P |
| 23:39.08 | zakmm | dont need to type much |
| 23:39.13 | KotCzarny | astorm: that nokia runs linux :> |
| 23:39.15 | unixSnob | i'm able to reach the other side of a lake using a directtv dish, and a cantenna, all homebrew stuff |
| 23:39.25 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you mean? Maemo is Linux ;P |
| 23:39.34 | NullM0dem | shapr: I started on C-64 / amiga and then in 92 lost my comps and didnt get another one till 98 |
| 23:39.37 | KotCzarny | you have said 'nokia' i saw it :P |
| 23:39.51 | AStorm | hehe, iNdT does use Linux |
| 23:39.52 | NullM0dem | shapr: windows was such a let down |
| 23:39.53 | AStorm | so does OSSO |
| 23:40.11 | zakmm | omg |
| 23:40.15 | zakmm | i been in a wifi for 30min |
| 23:40.18 | zakmm | didnt know i was connected |
| 23:40.22 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 23:40.32 | zakmm | web probably wont load though |
| 23:40.37 | zakmm | yeah |
| 23:40.39 | zakmm | connecting.... |
| 23:40.51 | zakmm | how do you do that renew liscense in linux? |
| 23:40.53 | KotCzarny | try connecting by ip? |
| 23:41.04 | AStorm | zakkm: by reconnecting, usually |
| 23:41.11 | zakmm | i tried that alotin school |
| 23:41.13 | AStorm | or you can set static ip just fine |
| 23:41.13 | NullM0dem | you mean dhcp lease? |
| 23:41.16 | zakmm | im looking at connection manager |
| 23:41.23 | zakmm | yeah |
| 23:41.31 | AStorm | to get the ip, you can use ifconfig |
| 23:41.32 | zakmm | give me stuff to try lol |
| 23:41.34 | zakmm | k |
| 23:41.38 | zakmm | ifconfig ____ |
| 23:41.54 | NullM0dem | im not sure what the nokia uses but usually i do dhclient eth0 as root |
| 23:41.56 | AStorm | just ifconfig, it will show active interfaces |
| 23:42.02 | NullM0dem | on mainstream linux |
| 23:42.08 | zakmm | eth0 is for my main pc? |
| 23:42.08 | AStorm | NullM0dem: they use udhcpcd |
| 23:42.15 | KotCzarny | ifconfig -a |
| 23:42.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:42.19 | NullM0dem | thats a daemon right? |
| 23:42.29 | AStorm | yes and no, depends on the way it's called |
| 23:42.30 | zakmm | ifconfig not found |
| 23:42.31 | AStorm | usually it is |
| 23:42.35 | NullM0dem | slack uses that as well |
| 23:42.39 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.39 | zakmm | cause im not root? |
| 23:43.03 | KotCzarny | yes, missing path |
| 23:43.14 | zakmm | oh there |
| 23:43.35 | zakmm | wlan0 |
| 23:43.37 | zakmm | -.- |
| 23:43.45 | AStorm | doh |
| 23:43.46 | zakmm | inet addr:192.168.10.101 |
| 23:43.50 | AStorm | or bt0 |
| 23:43.53 | AStorm | or usb0 |
| 23:44.07 | zakmm | ok now what |
| 23:44.11 | zakmm | ifconfig wlan0 ___ |
| 23:44.25 | KotCzarny | try ping 212.77.100.101 |
| 23:44.39 | zakmm | trying.. |
| 23:44.58 | AStorm | or ping 80.53.32.122 |
| 23:45.01 | penguinbait | any takers on my boot from SD deb?? I need more testers |
| 23:45.09 | AStorm | KotCzarny: how many IPs have you memorized? |
| 23:45.16 | KotCzarny | astorm: 1 |
| 23:45.19 | KotCzarny | astorm: it's wp.pl |
| 23:45.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:45.23 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 23:45.25 | zakmm | ping ___ : 56 data bytes ping:permission denied. (are you root?) |
| 23:45.26 | zakmm | lol |
| 23:45.29 | AStorm | and mine is my server |
| 23:45.29 | KotCzarny | i have just resolved it |
| 23:45.32 | AStorm | zakkm: root! |
| 23:45.42 | zakmm | send me debbbb |
| 23:45.43 | zakmm | :P |
| 23:45.44 | zakmm | or link me |
| 23:45.45 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you cheat ;P |
| 23:45.51 | KotCzarny | astorm: but i remember my shools ip |
| 23:45.52 | AStorm | zakkm: .... you need root |
| 23:45.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:45.58 | zakmm | i realize that |
| 23:45.59 | AStorm | or at least chmod +s |
| 23:45.59 | zakmm | :P |
| 23:46.09 | zakmm | id rather become root ;p |
| 23:46.15 | zakmm | or wait |
| 23:46.21 | zakmm | i need root for that dont i? chmod +s |
| 23:46.27 | KotCzarny | zakmm: you can transfer .debs with mmc card |
| 23:46.29 | KotCzarny | or usb |
| 23:46.37 | zakmm | why not? |
| 23:46.39 | AStorm | zakkm: yes, but only once |
| 23:46.40 | zakmm | i do it al lthe time |
| 23:46.41 | KotCzarny | but i don't know if app-man can install them? |
| 23:46.48 | AStorm | it will set the executable SUID root |
| 23:46.51 | zakmm | how can i use app-man without internet ! :P |
| 23:46.59 | KotCzarny | anyone? |
| 23:47.06 | zakmm | i always download on pc. . the deb.. send to memory card and run in filemanager? |
| 23:47.16 | penguinbait | you can install from file |
| 23:47.18 | penguinbait | in app man |
| 23:47.23 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 23:47.23 | penguinbait | goto menu |
| 23:47.35 | zakmm | can i have the deb link please? :D |
| 23:47.41 | AStorm | link to what? |
| 23:47.47 | KotCzarny | to any deb? |
| 23:47.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:47.49 | zakmm | root deb? |
| 23:47.53 | zakmm | the deb to be root? |
| 23:47.53 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 23:47.55 | AStorm | ... |
| 23:48.01 | zakmm | gainroot or something? |
| 23:48.03 | penguinbait | becomeroot |
| 23:48.05 | AStorm | nitapps.org, go there |
| 23:48.09 | zakmm | ok onesec |
| 23:48.11 | zakmm | never been there? |
| 23:48.11 | AStorm | or was it .com |
| 23:48.26 | zakmm | .com*** |
| 23:48.38 | penguinbait | http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb |
| 23:48.43 | penguinbait | there |
| 23:48.50 | AStorm | bora? |
| 23:48.56 | AStorm | is that for OS2008HE? |
| 23:48.57 | AStorm | ;P |
| 23:49.01 | penguinbait | it dont matter |
| 23:49.05 | penguinbait | its becomeroot |
| 23:49.07 | AStorm | no, it does |
| 23:49.09 | zakmm | easyroot |
| 23:49.10 | zakmm | This is a simple utility for gaining root access. 'sudo gainroot' works as befor |
| 23:49.10 | zakmm | ? |
| 23:49.17 | AStorm | zakkm: yes, easyroot is better |
| 23:49.49 | zakmm | works on 2008HE? |
| 23:50.00 | penguinbait | echo "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 23:50.08 | AStorm | penguinbait: evil |
| 23:50.09 | AStorm | ;) |
| 23:50.22 | AStorm | but then, all method of root w/o pass are evil |
| 23:50.37 | penguinbait | not like this thing is secure anyway |
| 23:50.47 | AStorm | it is fairly secure |
| 23:50.49 | AStorm | :> |
| 23:50.51 | Mousey | yikes |
| 23:50.52 | penguinbait | hehehehahhahaha |
| 23:50.53 | AStorm | at least, can be |
| 23:50.54 | KotCzarny | as long you don't give it to anyone |
| 23:50.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.59 | penguinbait | no its not |
| 23:51.00 | AStorm | yep |
| 23:51.01 | Mousey | as if the n810 isn't a BIG enough security hole |
| 23:51.02 | AStorm | it is |
| 23:51.09 | zakmm | if someone wanted to stop it.. they would put it in their pocket :D |
| 23:51.21 | KotCzarny | .21-omap is vulnerable to ptrace hack? |
| 23:51.21 | Mousey | posession is 9/10ths of the hack |
| 23:51.28 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not sure |
| 23:51.35 | AStorm | possibly |
| 23:51.38 | AStorm | ah, no, not |
| 23:51.39 | KotCzarny | can be easy way for root app |
| 23:51.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:51.45 | zakmm | about to install easyroot |
| 23:51.50 | AStorm | .21 arm doesn't have vmsplice |
| 23:51.51 | penguinbait | run my deb and tell me how secure it is ;) |
| 23:51.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:52.01 | AStorm | so, you won't be able to use vmsplice sploit |
| 23:52.09 | zakmm | just curious.. how long you all been around this irc channel/into the whole nokia tablet stuff? |
| 23:52.12 | AStorm | the default one wouldn't work anyway |
| 23:52.23 | AStorm | zakkm: less than a month here |
| 23:52.27 | zakmm | penguinbait: easyroot is yours? |
| 23:52.36 | penguinbait | I bought a 770 on jan 2005 |
| 23:52.40 | AStorm | zakkm: no, not |
| 23:52.40 | penguinbait | no zakmm |
| 23:52.46 | zakmm | wow |
| 23:52.49 | KotCzarny | bought n800 in march 2008 |
| 23:52.53 | zakmm | jan 2005.. i wanted to buy it when it first came out |
| 23:52.55 | zakmm | didnt have the money |
| 23:53.04 | zakmm | forgot about it till last week .. went on ebay and bought it.. came three days later :P |
| 23:53.08 | penguinbait | I wanted zaurus forever |
| 23:53.12 | zakmm | last yesterday? |
| 23:53.20 | penguinbait | I jumped as soon as I saw the 770 |
| 23:53.26 | zakmm | easyroot installing |
| 23:53.35 | zakmm | successfully installed |
| 23:53.37 | penguinbait | last yesterday, is that two days ago? |
| 23:53.43 | zakmm | last tuesday* |
| 23:53.44 | zakmm | lol |
| 23:53.45 | zakmm | sorry |
| 23:53.56 | AStorm | last tomorrow? ;) |
| 23:54.01 | KotCzarny | bond? |
| 23:54.01 | Grackle | penguinbait: Yeah, I wanted to buy a zaurus for a long time, but never did. Recently found out about the IT and bought one. |
| 23:54.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:54.03 | AStorm | ah, it's today now |
| 23:54.19 | zakmm | nokia like froze :P |
| 23:54.22 | penguinbait | its today again |
| 23:54.37 | zakmm | ok |
| 23:54.39 | zakmm | im now root |
| 23:54.44 | zakmm | well in a sec |
| 23:54.47 | KotCzarny | bs, it's today's today |
| 23:54.50 | AStorm | zakmm: oh, no, you'll destroy it now! |
| 23:54.53 | AStorm | ;) |
| 23:54.54 | KotCzarny | not a yesterdays' today |
| 23:54.59 | zakmm | ok im root |
| 23:55.06 | zakmm | how do i uhmm .. do the metalayer-crawler |
| 23:55.07 | KotCzarny | now play |
| 23:55.09 | zakmm | i should do that first :P |
| 23:55.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:55.23 | AStorm | update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove |
| 23:55.25 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.26 | AStorm | that's all |
| 23:55.30 | AStorm | maybe stop it first |
| 23:55.33 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:55.37 | AStorm | e.g. update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop |
| 23:55.40 | AStorm | then remove |
| 23:56.05 | penguinbait | gd metalayer, fricken get rid of the danm thing |
| 23:56.19 | AStorm | I've uninstalled that junk |
| 23:56.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:56.23 | penguinbait | nothing but problems |
| 23:56.28 | AStorm | now that I have Vorbis working in canola |
| 23:57.01 | zakmm | its doing the stopping |
| 23:57.02 | zakmm | ? |
| 23:57.07 | zakmm | stopped |
| 23:57.22 | zakmm | what should i do for remove? |
| 23:57.22 | AStorm | remove disables it for good |
| 23:57.31 | AStorm | zakmm: you can't read, can you? ;P |
| 23:57.39 | zakmm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.42 | AStorm | no |
| 23:57.45 | AStorm | that stops it |
| 23:57.52 | AStorm | s/stop/remove/ and it's good |
| 23:57.54 | zakmm | update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove ? |
| 23:58.05 | AStorm | yup |
| 23:59.19 | zakmm | -.- |
| 23:59.20 | zakmm | use -f to force |
| 23:59.28 | AStorm | so use it |
| 23:59.32 | Mousey | use the -f, luke |
| 23:59.44 | zakmm | i gotta retype it now -.- |
| 23:59.59 | AStorm | use the dpad |
