| 00:00.08 | lcuk | hey - doc|work has invented a working tether |
| 00:00.09 | KotCzarny | latency would kill you |
| 00:00.13 | doc|work | sure, for those trips around the world |
| 00:00.14 | KotCzarny | and capacitance |
| 00:00.18 | lcuk | he has robots climbing it daily |
| 00:00.19 | KotCzarny | and inductance |
| 00:00.22 | doc|work | KotCzarny: no, fibre |
| 00:00.23 | Proteous_ | fiber, not capacitance worries |
| 00:00.27 | Proteous_ | no |
| 00:00.36 | KotCzarny | fibre is.. delicate |
| 00:00.36 | doc|work | it's spelt fibre damn you |
| 00:00.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:00.38 | doc|work | :) |
| 00:00.53 | doc|work | KotCzarny: not as delicate as wireless in canada :) |
| 00:00.58 | KotCzarny | fibre |
| 00:01.02 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.02 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.08 | KotCzarny | only in us english |
| 00:01.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:01.41 | doc|work | right back later, have a tangle :( |
| 00:01.54 | KotCzarny | his cable got tangled? |
| 00:01.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:04.37 | Grackle | Where can I get esddsp for the IT? I have seen it mentioned in some places before |
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| 00:07.26 | KotCzarny | compile it yourself |
| 00:07.51 | KotCzarny | or if you fail go to pupnik's site |
| 00:07.58 | KotCzarny | i have helped him with it |
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| 00:08.43 | Grackle | Where is his site? |
| 00:08.52 | KotCzarny | pupnik.de |
| 00:09.25 | Grackle | Cool, thanks. |
| 00:09.37 | KotCzarny | or i can check if i had it on my file server too |
| 00:09.49 | KotCzarny | (i'm too lazy to boot my nokia to dl it from there) |
| 00:10.12 | Grackle | I did try compiling it, but it didn't seem to work. |
| 00:10.20 | KotCzarny | btw. esddsp is a script |
| 00:10.45 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/ |
| 00:10.45 | pupnik_ | what what what |
| 00:10.52 | KotCzarny | grab esddsp and lib.tar.gz |
| 00:10.58 | pupnik_ | yes grab that |
| 00:11.20 | Grackle | Oh, huh, no kidding. I never knew it was a script. |
| 00:11.36 | KotCzarny | i think it's a ld preload trick |
| 00:11.41 | KotCzarny | similiar to adsp one |
| 00:11.46 | pupnik_ | i never got it working. KotCzarny did, and maybe solmumaha |
| 00:12.54 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:12.58 | pupnik_ | i'm so happy you came along KotCzarny |
| 00:12.58 | KotCzarny | ld_preload |
| 00:13.01 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 00:14.10 | lcuk | i second that pup |
| 00:14.18 | Grackle | -sh: tqr: not found |
| 00:14.28 | Grackle | Damn you, virtual keyboard. |
| 00:14.41 | KotCzarny | don't forget to backup your original libs |
| 00:14.57 | pupnik_ | same goes to you lcuk |
| 00:15.01 | KotCzarny | i don't remember the flags it was compiled with |
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| 00:15.11 | lcuk | OMG ITS A LOVE IN! :d |
| 00:15.11 | pupnik_ | so few people interested in the performance stuff |
| 00:15.20 | KotCzarny | more like a posse.. |
| 00:15.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:15.23 | pupnik_ | well yeah, but on technical basis |
| 00:15.51 | pupnik_ | no we're like delta force, or an insurgent group against ignorance and chaos |
| 00:16.09 | lcuk | i misread that as insurance group |
| 00:16.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:16.25 | lcuk | pmsl |
| 00:16.51 | pupnik_ | the real pathfinders like fanoush or ssvb are mostly lost in the woods |
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| 00:17.03 | pupnik_ | they just evaporated |
| 00:17.15 | pupnik_ | but at least we can see the direction they went |
| 00:17.19 | lcuk | no, as we discovered the other day - they are around |
| 00:17.19 | Grackle | will be much happier when his bluetooth keyboard arrives |
| 00:17.25 | KotCzarny | i see ssvb sometimes |
| 00:17.32 | KotCzarny | grackle: use ssh |
| 00:17.40 | pupnik_ | yeah you see mirages |
| 00:17.45 | lcuk | and more than happy to help guide us along |
| 00:17.47 | KotCzarny | and fanoush wasn't an irc liker |
| 00:17.49 | pupnik_ | ask them to look at something |
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| 00:17.58 | pupnik_ | ask them something specifig |
| 00:18.03 | pupnik_ | and it's like smoke |
| 00:18.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:18.08 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 00:18.14 | Grackle | good call KotCzarny, I could do that right now, seeing how I'm at the desktop and all. |
| 00:18.20 | lcuk | i simply see it as not asking the right question |
| 00:18.27 | KotCzarny | i think i was talking with ssvb at the .27 release |
| 00:18.30 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 00:18.38 | lcuk | you have to tease and tempt people to give them a chance to shine :) |
| 00:18.45 | KotCzarny | and i have maile fanoush too |
| 00:18.57 | KotCzarny | so rotate patch should be in his kernel/patches list |
| 00:19.08 | KotCzarny | wait. |
| 00:19.16 | KotCzarny | it was op_{1|0} patch |
| 00:19.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:19.57 | KotCzarny | ssvb promised to look at gst more closely if 400/133 mode would became more popular |
| 00:20.21 | KotCzarny | (over 330/220, that is) |
| 00:22.47 | KotCzarny | pupnik: pcxs is open source or you have grabbed binary from somewhere? |
| 00:22.52 | KotCzarny | pcsx |
| 00:23.49 | KotCzarny | nice. source code is available |
| 00:23.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:24.03 | Grackle | Man, I really like the scratchbox environment, now that I've figured it out. |
| 00:24.09 | Grackle | Porting stuff is surprisingly easy. |
| 00:24.09 | pupnik_ | KotCzarny: if you want to work on it, talk to zodttd |
| 00:24.32 | KotCzarny | popnik: i'm more curious about availability atm |
| 00:25.25 | lcuk | how could we change the maemo system so *default* programs will run? |
| 00:25.41 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 00:25.43 | lcuk | ie just a quick recompile and then they are automatically basically hildonized |
| 00:25.47 | KotCzarny | erm. *pupnik |
| 00:25.52 | wasabi | You can't. |
| 00:25.59 | wasabi | Being hildonized means they take UI considerations into account. |
| 00:26.07 | KotCzarny | lcuk: if it's gtk2 i think it's simple |
| 00:26.12 | Grackle | yay! sound! |
| 00:26.15 | KotCzarny | one or two lines |
| 00:26.25 | lcuk | yes but most programs respond to ui queues anyway - minimizing shutting down etc |
| 00:26.27 | wasabi | That said, plain old gtk+ programs WILL run |
| 00:26.35 | wasabi | Gimp runs. Xchat runs. |
| 00:26.45 | wasabi | They're UI is just not hildonish. |
| 00:26.45 | KotCzarny | yeah, it's not the problem with running |
| 00:26.56 | lcuk | i know they run, but it would be easy to automatically allow minimise and task listing ? |
| 00:26.58 | KotCzarny | more like registering windows/icons in matchbox/hildon |
| 00:27.08 | KotCzarny | lcuk: have you seen kciconsbox ? |
| 00:27.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:27.11 | wasabi | minimize should work. task listing should work too. |
| 00:27.24 | wasabi | if not then matchbox and the task thing should be fixed. |
| 00:27.35 | KotCzarny | it will work for ANY window |
| 00:27.41 | KotCzarny | hildonized or not |
| 00:28.04 | lcuk | realises he must be missing an attribute or two on his window |
| 00:28.06 | KotCzarny | once i'm back from ff loop i'll code it more nicely |
| 00:28.45 | lcuk | KotCzarny, yes, you've told me about that - i'd forgotten |
| 00:29.15 | KotCzarny | lcuk: there's a hildonized version of xmms somewhere, at least slit part |
| 00:29.26 | KotCzarny | you can peek/steal code from there |
| 00:30.39 | lcuk | ill just hildonize myself properly next time it crossed my mind |
| 00:30.45 | lcuk | as you say, theres just a couple of lines |
| 00:31.12 | KotCzarny | for xaw3d based app it was very easy |
| 00:31.29 | KotCzarny | similiar to gtk+ |
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| 00:35.03 | lcuk | gnite folks |
| 00:35.07 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
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| 00:52.38 | adam_ | hi |
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| 00:53.34 | adam_ | does anyone have a link to a tutorial about upgrading to 2008 os |
| 00:54.51 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 00:54.55 | KotCzarny | impatient one |
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| 00:55.27 | johnx | adam_, is your desktop machine running linux, osx or windows? |
| 00:55.33 | adam_ | linux |
| 00:55.58 | johnx | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ |
| 00:56.07 | adam_ | thanks!! |
| 00:58.06 | johnx | sure. Upgrading is "flashing" here, so if you search for "flash n800 linux" that was the first result from google |
| 00:58.19 | KotCzarny | pupnik: do you like turn based rpgs ? |
| 01:03.30 | pupnik_ | sure |
| 01:03.36 | KotCzarny | http://www.basiliskgames.com/book1.htm |
| 01:03.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:04.06 | pupnik_ | yes many indy games |
| 01:04.23 | pupnik_ | is that one good? |
| 01:04.29 | KotCzarny | looks good |
| 01:05.13 | KotCzarny | has crazy requirements for turn based game though |
| 01:05.24 | KotCzarny | 1.8ghz / 512mb / 3d accel |
| 01:05.31 | pupnik_ | your amiga port is still waiting for release |
| 01:05.42 | pupnik_ | it's way better than standard uae |
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| 01:06.29 | KotCzarny | you can release it any moment you like, i don't claim any rights on it :) |
| 01:07.21 | pupnik_ | ok. linuxtag ok? |
| 01:07.46 | pupnik_ | maybe it makes my little talk interesting, |
| 01:07.53 | KotCzarny | no problem |
| 01:07.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:08.03 | KotCzarny | checks if there is a new version |
| 01:09.37 | pupnik_ | do you feel like working on snes? |
| 01:09.42 | pupnik_ | i have it loading a rom |
| 01:09.56 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:10.07 | pupnik_ | just aksing |
| 01:10.08 | KotCzarny | tbh i have never had/used anything other than ami |
| 01:10.35 | KotCzarny | well, maybe epsxe |
| 01:10.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:10.55 | pupnik_ | no zodttd has the god emu for psx |
| 01:10.58 | KotCzarny | https://gna.org/projects/gpu940/ |
| 01:11.19 | KotCzarny | gah, they got 3d renderer for their second core |
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| 01:56.33 | KotCzarny | iphone is going to have a version with gps :) |
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| 01:58.18 | LinuxCode | still doesnt make the platform open |
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| 01:58.45 | LinuxCode | pretty much the main reason i got a n810 |
| 01:58.50 | KotCzarny | just a note that all the devices tend to get same/similiar features |
| 01:58.54 | KotCzarny | yah |
| 01:59.07 | KotCzarny | i would take n8x0 everyday over iphone because of that |
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| 03:15.25 | skibur | Is Nokia going to ship N800 with WiMax or is it just for N810? |
| 03:16.00 | towo | Just for the n810. |
| 03:16.19 | towo | And it's highly unlikely there'll be a retrofit, I'd say. |
| 03:16.32 | KotCzarny | some cheapo phone maybe |
| 03:16.36 | KotCzarny | with bt link |
| 03:17.42 | towo | Yeah, that, probaly. |
| 03:17.44 | towo | +b |
| 03:18.06 | towo | Ideal would be just a small sim token boasting WiMaX and UMTS. |
| 03:18.12 | KotCzarny | as an added bonus one can get gsm/cdma ;) |
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| 03:18.26 | towo | And RAP so you can borg it from the N810. |
| 03:18.39 | towo | Or whatever that bluetooth profile was called. |
| 03:18.57 | skibur | I C |
| 03:19.22 | towo | ls: cannot access My downloads: Input/output error |
| 03:19.24 | towo | mhm. |
| 03:19.27 | towo | Not good[tm] |
| 03:19.36 | KotCzarny | vfat? |
| 03:19.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:20.43 | smackpotato | i bet you'll be able to buy a bluetooth gadget that connects with wi-max |
| 03:21.39 | towo | KotCzarny: Yeah, mmc2 |
| 03:22.11 | KotCzarny | towo: n810? |
| 03:22.14 | towo | KotCzarny: Should I even bother running fsck or just throw a mkfs -f vfat at it? |
| 03:22.16 | towo | KotCzarny: aye |
| 03:22.26 | KotCzarny | have you fixed partition bug? |
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| 03:22.50 | towo | KotCzarny: If I have to take special steps for that, no. |
| 03:22.58 | KotCzarny | sfdisk -l |
| 03:23.14 | towo | sec |
| 03:23.17 | KotCzarny | size of partition is bigger than device |
| 03:23.29 | monkeyiq | anyone else get scratchbox wanting to remove packages when you try to install libdb4.2-dev? |
| 03:23.32 | KotCzarny | until you fix that there's no point of reformatting |
| 03:23.55 | KotCzarny | also dropping vfat and using ext2/3 is the way to go |
| 03:24.08 | towo | That one extra block I see here? |
| 03:24.15 | KotCzarny | because someone reported vfat instability with mmcblock device |
| 03:24.19 | towo | 62719 cyls, 62720 blocks? |
| 03:24.20 | monkeyiq | It seems that it wants to REMOVE these ... libcst-dev libdb1-dev maemo-core-dev maemo-sdk-dev |
| 03:24.57 | KotCzarny | towo: can you pastebin.com sfdisk -l output? |
| 03:25.40 | towo | KotCzarny: /dev/mmcblk0p1 (nil) 0+ 62719 62720- 2007032 b W95 FAT32 |
| 03:26.01 | KotCzarny | and what's the device size? |
| 03:26.03 | towo | two (nils), actually |
| 03:26.14 | towo | 61440 cyls |
| 03:26.18 | woodwizzle | Whats the best way to transfer files between a linux PC and an n800? bluetooth file transfers have been difficult for me to setup, and I don't know how to configuire the file manager to access samba or nfs shares? |
| 03:26.20 | towo | ⦠okay, I see the problem. |
| 03:26.22 | KotCzarny | so it's not one block |
| 03:26.26 | KotCzarny | no? |
| 03:26.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:26.35 | towo | Didn't scroll up, stupid me. |
| 03:26.41 | towo | I'm used to plane fdisk or cfdisk... |
| 03:26.46 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 03:26.49 | towo | (Yes, I actually like cfdisk.) |
| 03:26.55 | KotCzarny | you can do it over usb too |
| 03:27.12 | woodwizzle | Jeez, why didn't I even think of that, lol =) |
| 03:27.19 | towo | It gives you block-level access? |
| 03:27.29 | towo | that's better. |
| 03:27.30 | KotCzarny | towo: it acts as a usb card reader |
| 03:27.34 | KotCzarny | *an |
| 03:27.47 | towo | ⦠that's too logical, didn't think of that. |
| 03:27.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:27.55 | towo | (Might be because the birds are starting to tweet here..) |
| 03:28.07 | woodwizzle | I'm used to having to do things the hard way |
| 03:28.23 | towo | does the backup jig |
| 03:29.21 | woodwizzle | hmmm.. the only directory it shows is My Downloads. |
| 03:29.35 | towo | KotCzarny: Thanks for the hints. :) |
| 03:29.42 | woodwizzle | I need to dig down into the file system |
| 03:30.10 | KotCzarny | towo: np, pass the word |
| 03:30.20 | towo | Oh, right, I still had the navicore data on the internal card... |
| 03:30.22 | woodwizzle | basically I wanna copy my OpenTTD data files onto this device so I can get some transport tycoon going. (my 6th grade self is ecstatic) |
| 03:30.37 | towo | KotCzarny: That would explain why it didn't let me extend my virtual memory onto it. |
| 03:30.56 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: sshfs |
| 03:31.08 | towo | (Still on my todo list, that bug, but I guess that settled it, now.) |
| 03:31.26 | woodwizzle | KotCzarny: ok, i'll give that a go. I've only ever done plain ssh before. |
| 03:31.47 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: it's the best way to have access to internal 256mb partition |
| 03:31.53 | towo | Mhm, ScummVM must be very forgiving towards corrupt files. |
| 03:32.19 | KotCzarny | towo: or you just haven't reached that point in the game |
| 03:32.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:32.33 | woodwizzle | KotCzarny: What happens when I run outta space on the internal 256? |
| 03:32.51 | KotCzarny | usually something could start crashing |
| 03:33.19 | KotCzarny | to the point of reflashing requirement |
| 03:33.33 | woodwizzle | Is there away to put the operating system on the internal SD card and use the internal 256 as virtual mem? |
| 03:33.37 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:33.46 | woodwizzle | is that safe to do? |
| 03:33.57 | KotCzarny | but i would advise agains using internal 256 for anything |
| 03:33.57 | woodwizzle | or should I be worried about write cycles etc.? |
| 03:34.08 | KotCzarny | especially write cycles wise |
| 03:34.19 | woodwizzle | figgures |
| 03:34.20 | KotCzarny | sd cards are cheap |
| 03:34.38 | KotCzarny | but resoldering internal nand flash is.. well |
| 03:34.47 | KotCzarny | not for anyone |
| 03:34.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:35.14 | KotCzarny | maybe 1 person in a 1.000.000 could do that |
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| 03:35.22 | KotCzarny | maybe less |
| 03:35.35 | elb | ahh ... your flash chip must be special, then |
| 03:35.46 | KotCzarny | very |
| 03:35.47 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:35.50 | elb | because far more than 1 in a million people can mount a simple surface mount chip ;-) |
| 03:36.06 | elb | (in fact, I know several people who do this as part of their daily jobs) |
| 03:36.07 | KotCzarny | can you? |
| 03:36.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:36.27 | elb | probably, if push came to shove |
| 03:36.31 | KotCzarny | it all depends on the society yyou live in |
| 03:36.38 | KotCzarny | and work you do |
| 03:36.46 | KotCzarny | i know no one that could do such trick |
| 03:36.58 | elb | I completely agree with you w.r.t. not burning out the chip, but claiming that only 1:1m people can perform a simple, if delicate, soldering job is unlikely ;-) |
| 03:37.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:37.33 | woodwizzle | are there any strange issues or problems with installing the os to the internal SDHC card? |
| 03:37.53 | elb | people do it |
| 03:37.54 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: i have cloned my os to sd and it boots just fine |
| 03:38.18 | KotCzarny | basically, setup your perfect os on internal 256mb partition |
| 03:38.20 | woodwizzle | Is it done with that flash utililty? |
| 03:38.29 | woodwizzle | oh |
| 03:38.41 | KotCzarny | then make a partition on sd card with ext2/3 |
| 03:38.50 | KotCzarny | then just use cloning script |
| 03:39.07 | KotCzarny | then configure/install fanoush initfs to boot to sd card |
| 03:39.10 | KotCzarny | done. |
| 03:39.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:39.25 | woodwizzle | its gonna be a while before I know how to setup my perfect OS for sure =) |
| 03:39.31 | KotCzarny | well |
| 03:39.36 | KotCzarny | my point in that is.. |
| 03:39.56 | KotCzarny | once you breake your os on sd card you won't have to reinstall/reconfigure from 0 |
| 03:40.01 | KotCzarny | but from a nice point |
| 03:40.09 | KotCzarny | where most of the apps are there :) |
| 03:40.14 | woodwizzle | oh I getcha |
| 03:41.15 | KotCzarny | and no, it's not supported by nokia.. yet ;) |
| 03:41.34 | towo | *g* |
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| 03:43.10 | towo | Oh noes, cfdisk dies kicking and screaming. |
| 03:43.14 | towo | nukes partition table. |
| 03:43.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:43.26 | KotCzarny | poor partition table.. |
| 03:43.33 | KotCzarny | btw. my other theory was |
| 03:43.45 | KotCzarny | that some part of the device was hidden |
| 03:43.52 | KotCzarny | ie. partition size is correct |
| 03:44.10 | KotCzarny | but device hides it's real size and stores some data in the inaccessible portion |
| 03:44.19 | towo | mhm |
| 03:44.34 | towo | first 512 bytes should do it, shouldn't it? *scratches head* |
| 03:44.44 | towo | Since I still seem to have a partition table... |
| 03:44.47 | KotCzarny | my bet is on the last few blocks |
| 03:44.57 | towo | No, for the table. |
| 03:45.05 | KotCzarny | what's the cyl size in bytes? |
| 03:45.26 | towo | mhm, 32768 |
| 03:45.40 | KotCzarny | 4 megs |
| 03:45.43 | KotCzarny | quite a chunk |
| 03:45.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:45.50 | towo | Hell, I just zeroed the lot of it |
| 03:45.55 | towo | Still got a table Oo |
| 03:46.09 | towo | oh bugger |
| 03:46.11 | towo | I'm stupid. |
| 03:46.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:46.22 | towo | [5:45] towo@odin:~ [0]% sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc2 |
| 03:46.23 | KotCzarny | get some sleep |
| 03:46.24 | towo | find the mistake. |
| 03:46.28 | KotCzarny | before you break something |
| 03:46.31 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 03:46.39 | KotCzarny | partition != device |
| 03:46.44 | towo | There we go. |
| 03:46.51 | towo | No, mmc2 only exists on the nokia |
| 03:46.58 | towo | I should've zeroed /dev/sdg ;) |
| 03:47.17 | KotCzarny | i use mmcblock0 |
| 03:47.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:47.55 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 03:48.03 | KotCzarny | correction, it 41mb |
| 03:48.04 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 03:48.16 | KotCzarny | well, 40 |
| 03:48.20 | KotCzarny | *it's |
| 03:48.34 | towo | 32 kB, more like |
| 03:48.47 | KotCzarny | echo $[(62720-61440)*32768] |
| 03:48.55 | towo | Oh |
| 03:48.58 | towo | The differenec. |
| 03:50.15 | smackpotato | so today i connected a serial terminal over bluetooth.it took me a while. i connected to a simulator of a bluetooth bicycle sensor. it worked fine. someone other than me should make a project of it |
| 03:50.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:50.30 | smackpotato | any takers |
| 03:51.36 | woodwizzle | what does a bluetooth bike sensor do? |
| 03:51.50 | KotCzarny | probably gets beeped |
| 03:52.02 | KotCzarny | unless it's more intelligent |
| 03:52.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:52.04 | smackpotato | speed distance acceleration |
| 03:52.56 | smackpotato | very accurate |
| 03:53.19 | KotCzarny | can be used for creating getto gps |
| 03:53.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:55.17 | woodwizzle | yeah, why not just use gps and calc all that other info from that? |
| 03:55.35 | KotCzarny | because gps is inaccurate |
| 03:55.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:56.14 | woodwizzle | how about expensive GPS |
| 03:56.26 | KotCzarny | still ~1-2m of accuracy |
| 03:56.48 | woodwizzle | bah, thats good enough. Builds Character |
| 03:58.01 | smackpotato | ya its good enough for my girlfriend but i want better |
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| 04:02.49 | towo | KotCzarny: http://ydal.de/nokia-n810-the-partition-bug/lang/en |
| 04:03.26 | woodwizzle | Is mmc1 the internal one? |
| 04:03.41 | KotCzarny | no |
| 04:04.01 | KotCzarny | towo: where are the credits? |
| 04:04.02 | towo | mmc1 is the slot card |
| 04:04.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:04.09 | woodwizzle | thats odd |
| 04:04.09 | towo | KotCzarny: Oh, bugger, of course. |
| 04:04.37 | woodwizzle | wonder why openttd wants the data on the removable card |
| 04:04.39 | KotCzarny | and you don't have to power cycle the device |
| 04:05.05 | towo | KotCzarny: Before I start explaining how to remount etc... |
| 04:05.06 | KotCzarny | if partition isn't reread after usb session, sfdisk has an option for it |
| 04:05.16 | KotCzarny | it's remounted automatically |
| 04:05.22 | KotCzarny | once you disconnect usb cable |
| 04:05.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:05.27 | towo | Ah, well. |
| 04:05.30 | towo | Can't hurt. |
| 04:05.37 | towo | Maybe for people with swap files on it. ;) |
| 04:05.51 | KotCzarny | i think it's umounet |
| 04:05.54 | KotCzarny | umounted |
| 04:05.58 | towo | And there's your kudos. |
| 04:05.59 | KotCzarny | when you connect usb cable |
| 04:06.16 | KotCzarny | now, that's better |
| 04:06.17 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 04:06.17 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:06.43 | KotCzarny | also, you should check ext2/3 |
| 04:07.05 | KotCzarny | because as i said some people noticed improvements when they ditched vfat |
| 04:07.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:09.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:09.21 | KotCzarny | also. |
| 04:09.27 | KotCzarny | you create fs on the device |
| 04:09.31 | KotCzarny | without partitioning it |
| 04:09.34 | woodwizzle | why not just reiserfs it =) |
| 04:09.52 | KotCzarny | i think mmc-mount scripts won't automount it |
| 04:10.03 | woodwizzle | i just playing anyhow |
| 04:10.04 | KotCzarny | (they are hardcoded for the first partition on the card) |
| 04:10.11 | woodwizzle | would be cool though |
| 04:10.30 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: ext2/3 module is readily available |
| 04:10.39 | KotCzarny | for reiser you would have to modify initfs/kernel |
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| 04:12.24 | towo | KotCzarny: I partitioned it. |
| 04:12.36 | towo | I might've dropped the 1 in the entry. |
| 04:12.39 | KotCzarny | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX ? |
| 04:12.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:12.54 | KotCzarny | it's more like removing any trace of partition |
| 04:13.34 | KotCzarny | yup, that would be wise |
| 04:13.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:14.05 | towo | Well, it's not really necessary. |
| 04:14.05 | KotCzarny | still wrong |
| 04:14.19 | KotCzarny | well |
| 04:14.22 | KotCzarny | maybe not that wrong |
| 04:14.37 | KotCzarny | it's necessary for n00bs |
| 04:14.54 | KotCzarny | because they will use the same node as in dd |
| 04:15.06 | KotCzarny | effectively removing partition with mkfs |
| 04:16.07 | towo | [x] |
| 04:16.21 | towo | 'cept for the typo. |
| 04:16.38 | KotCzarny | which one? |
| 04:16.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:17.02 | towo | the specifu one. |
| 04:17.19 | towo | But now.... bed. I'm barely awake anymore. |
| 04:17.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:17.28 | towo | Thanks for the help. |
| 04:17.34 | KotCzarny | vfat will haunt you |
| 04:17.36 | KotCzarny | anyway |
| 04:17.43 | KotCzarny | partition size is one bug |
| 04:17.54 | KotCzarny | vfat--mmc driver quirks is another |
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| 04:19.34 | towo | I can still bite my arse when it's time. :) |
| 04:19.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:19.48 | KotCzarny | sooner or later |
| 04:20.04 | towo | night, folks. |
| 04:20.09 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 04:20.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:57.52 | Navi | d00dz, wtf? Y dun we stil lhave antivirus prgms? |
| 04:58.18 | KotCzarny | no, what for, you can r-e-f-l-a-s-h |
| 04:58.32 | KotCzarny | it's faster than running av scanner |
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| 05:00.17 | Navi | wtf how iz "Rustproof Expressiveness Fibrous Loveseat Astrologically Statistics Homey" gunna b fastr then avs? |
| 05:00.36 | Navi | i ned teh antiviruz prgms or my n800 gunna be broken |
| 05:00.44 | KotCzarny | it has fibr it is fast |
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| 05:03.05 | woodwizzle | Whats the benefit of having a 2.6 kernel over a 2.4 kernel on the n800? |
| 05:03.12 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 05:04.02 | woodwizzle | I'm wondering if I could compile a 2.4 kernel and choose it at boot up with a bootloader |
| 05:04.06 | doc|work | woodwizzle: why would you have a 2.4 kernel on it? |
| 05:04.30 | woodwizzle | aparently there is a linux driver for the 3d chip, but it is only a 2.4 driver |
| 05:04.34 | doc|work | given that 2.6 is the default (I'd expect) the question you should ask is why would you want a 2.4? :) |
| 05:04.49 | doc|work | how much 3d are you really expecting to do on an n800 :) |
| 05:05.19 | woodwizzle | not a whole lot. But it would be great fun to play open arena, or assault cube |
| 05:05.28 | Navi | :/ |
| 05:05.40 | woodwizzle | I plan on doing a lot of gaming on this little machine =) |
| 05:05.45 | KotCzarny | well |
| 05:05.51 | KotCzarny | i would be cautious |
| 05:05.53 | KotCzarny | with hopes |
| 05:05.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:06.15 | KotCzarny | it's a great device, but you have to set your hopes right |
| 05:06.15 | woodwizzle | Its been a long time since I compiled a kernel. Back in my gentoo days ;) |
| 05:06.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:07.15 | woodwizzle | Oh I know, If I wanted a portable gaming system only I woulda got a PSP or something. But I do love to game and its got that chip just sitting there :( |
| 05:07.37 | KotCzarny | we all know |
| 05:07.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:07.45 | KotCzarny | and we all grit over it |
| 05:07.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:08.02 | woodwizzle | right, so I'm just sugesting a possible solution. |
| 05:08.21 | KotCzarny | the only way is for nokia to provide driver/libs |
| 05:08.27 | KotCzarny | *to |
| 05:08.29 | woodwizzle | lilo + 2.4 kernel + binary driver |
| 05:08.43 | KotCzarny | forget lilo |
| 05:08.55 | KotCzarny | unless you want to brick the device |
| 05:09.02 | woodwizzle | lol |
| 05:09.04 | KotCzarny | flasher won't help you if you overwrite nolo |
| 05:09.11 | woodwizzle | i certainly don't |
| 05:09.30 | woodwizzle | is nolo the boot loader? I bet it doesn't support multiple kernels :( |
| 05:09.36 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 06:34.23 | cLin | so...has anyone messed with motion on os2008? |
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| 06:42.40 | WormFood | os2008 is going to get some motion when I throw my n800 across the room ;) |
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| 06:56.10 | AStorm | cLin: someone has used a nice sensor |
| 06:56.30 | AStorm | as a joystick equivalent |
| 07:01.24 | cLin | nice sensor? |
| 07:01.38 | cLin | i just want it to act as a motion webcam |
| 07:01.59 | KotCzarny | well |
| 07:02.02 | KotCzarny | it's so noisy |
| 07:02.17 | KotCzarny | that you would have much problems with it |
| 07:02.46 | KotCzarny | maybe some oversampling could help though |
| 07:02.52 | KotCzarny | but it has a price of cpu usage |
| 07:03.20 | cLin | =\ |
| 07:03.22 | AStorm | naaah |
| 07:03.39 | AStorm | to be used as a motion sensor, it doesn't have to be accurate |
| 07:03.50 | AStorm | just average the frames |
| 07:03.51 | KotCzarny | should be, just a little bit |
| 07:03.57 | AStorm | well, a bit |
| 07:04.00 | KotCzarny | yeah, that's what i meant by oversampling |
| 07:04.13 | AStorm | no, oversampling is *not* averaging |
| 07:04.20 | AStorm | please don't confuse these two :-) |
| 07:04.25 | KotCzarny | well, if you treat 1sec as a base |
| 07:04.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:04.34 | AStorm | alternatively, you could just use low grade gaussian blur |
| 07:04.37 | KotCzarny | then taking 10 pics in 1 sec is oversampling |
| 07:04.43 | AStorm | ... |
| 07:05.48 | AStorm | just blur the output of the camera and there you get your denoising |
| 07:05.54 | AStorm | then run some edge detector |
| 07:05.55 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 07:05.58 | KotCzarny | dreamer |
| 07:06.08 | KotCzarny | have you seen the output of that webcam? |
| 07:06.12 | AStorm | yes, I did |
| 07:06.17 | AStorm | it's really not that bad |
| 07:06.35 | AStorm | (talking about N810 ofc) |
| 07:06.59 | KotCzarny | yellow, noisy |
| 07:07.10 | AStorm | not that noisy |
| 07:07.18 | KotCzarny | depends on lighting |
| 07:07.20 | AStorm | just throw a pic through a blur |
| 07:07.28 | AStorm | and it might be good enough |
| 07:08.02 | KotCzarny | still, the only way would be running it on external battery pack |
| 07:08.10 | AStorm | well, yup |
| 07:08.20 | AStorm | the standard battery is too small |
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| 07:17.27 | AStorm | s/freelikegnu/freelikegnuinzoo/ |
| 07:20.20 | cLin | running what on an external pack? |
| 07:20.31 | KotCzarny | n8x0 |
| 07:20.59 | cLin | but running? |
| 07:21.10 | RST38h | At least the n810 webcam can guess the illumination level right |
| 07:21.25 | AStorm | sometimes ;) |
| 07:21.30 | RST38h | Never whites out, never blacks out for me |
| 07:21.36 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 07:21.45 | RST38h | Can't say the same about most cheapo pc webcams |
| 07:21.46 | KotCzarny | that's because you always get noise? |
| 07:21.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:22.03 | AStorm | KotCzarny: as I said, it's fairly ok as far as webcams go |
| 07:22.10 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 07:22.16 | KotCzarny | in webcams league it's ok |
| 07:22.16 | RST38h | Now, just getting the image, a bit into the red side, but ok |
| 07:22.26 | RST38h | But it is no camera, if this is what you mean |
| 07:22.33 | woodwizzle | whats the name of that python editor that has the built in run button? |
| 07:22.52 | AStorm | vim has one |
| 07:22.55 | KotCzarny | pyedit ? pygtkedit? |
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| 07:22.59 | AStorm | it's called ! |
| 07:23.25 | KotCzarny | no, that's a BANG |
| 07:23.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:23.34 | RST38h | Run [to the hills] |
| 07:23.49 | AStorm | [far away] |
| 07:26.25 | woodwizzle | strange that pygtkeditor would be in the repos but its dependency isn't |
| 07:26.51 | Navi | shrugs |
| 07:31.00 | RST38h | wood: Report it to XFade |
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| 07:32.18 | Navi | Fun |
| 07:33.02 | Navi | arguing with this guy over on rizon about how the N800 is not a Palm, how you can code on the N800, and how the Eee and N800 don't hit the same market. |
| 07:33.42 | Navi | s/code/code and type essays/ |
| 07:33.44 | KotCzarny | arguing on the internet.. |
| 07:33.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:33.57 | Navi | It's fun; you do it a lot. |
| 07:34.12 | KotCzarny | it gets boring |
| 07:35.16 | AStorm | it's not a Palm, it doesn't fit in one ;P |
| 07:35.27 | KotCzarny | depends on holder |
| 07:35.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:35.31 | Navi | KotCzarny, you shouldn't do it so much then. |
| 07:35.43 | KotCzarny | navi, you know how it is |
| 07:35.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:36.10 | Navi | Is that why you use so many smileys? |
| 07:36.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:37.55 | AStorm | ;] |
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| 07:40.44 | RST38h | Arguing on the internet is only satisfying if you make your opponent commit suicide at the end |
| 07:41.04 | RST38h | Otherwise, it's pointless... |
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| 08:41.01 | AStorm | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060328 - I guess I can relate to that. |
| 08:42.45 | qwerty12 | When apt-get downloads a package, where are they temp stored? If I could, I would murder scratchbox. |
| 08:43.14 | AStorm | /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 08:43.19 | qwerty12 | Thanks. |
| 08:46.07 | RST38h | All rightey. Done with today's portion of work. |
| 08:46.19 | AStorm | +1 |
| 08:46.32 | AStorm | Sunday, so I have additional work to do |
| 08:46.36 | AStorm | free days and so ;P |
| 08:46.59 | Proteous_ | apt-cache clean |
| 08:47.09 | Proteous_ | apt-get me_a_coffee |
| 08:47.33 | RST38h | If nobody distracts me tonight, may even port MG to Unix and Maemo... |
| 08:47.55 | Proteous_ | what's MG |
| 08:48.24 | RST38h | fms.komkon.org/MG |
| 08:48.41 | Proteous | ah |
| 08:49.26 | qwerty12 | You don't have a megadrive/genesis emulator hidden somewhere? :D. I've always like megadrive over MG. Pupnik got dgen running but I read it was slow. |
| 08:49.33 | qwerty12 | s/like/liked/ |
| 08:49.35 | RST38h | not really |
| 08:50.02 | qwerty12 | Ah well, great work on your current Maemo emulators. |
| 08:50.16 | RST38h | It can be sped up by using Cyclone, but I won't be doing it - too much other stuff to do |
| 08:50.43 | RST38h | qwerty: they are basically ports of the core code + EMULib glue |
| 08:51.42 | qwerty12 | ah. Well, it brought more games to Maemo :) |
| 08:51.54 | RST38h | EMULib will happily work with any other emulator, btw |
| 08:52.14 | RST38h | wants to port this: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ but does not have enough time |
| 08:52.19 | qwerty12 | I need to restart work on ROTT again. Hopefully, I'm a bit more wiser this time. |
| 08:55.23 | RST38h | Washington Post published an article titled "Nations Confront The New Economics of Hunger" |
| 08:55.58 | RST38h | Do they mean, things are THAT fucked up? =) |
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| 09:03.20 | lardman | morning, anyone happen to know of some code to detect IT version (I know ways to do it, but am just hoping to do a copy and paste job)? |
| 09:06.20 | lardman | Mplayer, thanks for the hint in your blog hrw |
| 09:08.51 | RST38h | 'RIM Engineers Call Touchscreen Blackberry "Apple Killer"' <--- hehe, they wish :) |
| 09:09.36 | lardman | searches for his 770 |
| 09:09.51 | qwerty12 | inz, thanks :). echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr solved my problem. |
| 09:10.48 | AStorm | I'd call it "Money Grabber" |
| 09:11.06 | qwerty12 | shake your money grabber... |
| 09:11.12 | qwerty12 | sorry, got some old songs on my mind. |
| 09:11.13 | AStorm | compared to "itsPawned", well... not much worse |
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| 09:12.42 | AStorm | why does "Apple Killer" remind me of "The Attack of Killer Tomatoes"? |
| 09:12.43 | AStorm | ;P |
| 09:14.09 | RST38h | It is the "killer" part I guess =) |
| 09:14.49 | AStorm | apple, tomato, who cares ;P |
| 09:15.07 | AStorm | remind me if they sell more than 100k pcs |
| 09:16.29 | RST38h | RIM will |
| 09:16.37 | RST38h | Suits love RIM |
| 09:16.50 | AStorm | except they don't love touchy stuff ;P |
| 09:19.04 | RST38h | Does not matter as long as it has RIM on it |
| 09:19.55 | RST38h | has seen a then-recent Blackberry a year ago - no SDK, Java only, very sluggish, a lot of interface elements in plain text |
| 09:20.10 | RST38h | Uses some non-standard email "solution" too |
| 09:20.18 | doc|work | zimbra |
| 09:20.23 | doc|work | (look it up) |
| 09:20.40 | RST38h | Why *this* sells so much is beyond my comprehension |
| 09:21.18 | doc|work | because it makes them look important when they're at dinner to email their wife/mistress |
| 09:22.05 | qwerty12 | RST38h, agreed. atm, I'm using a java SE W810 but I'm planning on getting my P1i fixed and I'm gonna look into getting a Xperia or N96 when they come out. |
| 09:22.23 | RST38h | You mean, other similar gadgets, like Nokia or Samsung, do not make them look important? |
| 09:22.38 | RST38h | qwerty: Stay away from WinMobile phones |
| 09:22.57 | RST38h | They suck so much that it will make you miss Symbian |
| 09:23.00 | doc|work | points both of you to openmoko.com |
| 09:23.05 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Ah, thanks. |
| 09:23.28 | qwerty12 | doc|work, I like Maemo/Linux on my internet tablet. But I don't want to miss out on the range of apps available for S60. |
| 09:23.29 | aquatix | qwerty12: xperia is nice hardware, but it's still windows mobile |
| 09:23.42 | aquatix | and wince/winmob just sucks as a mobile OS |
| 09:23.46 | RST38h | If you want a problem free (but not fashinable) phone, just buy an S60-based one from Nokia |
| 09:23.55 | *** part/#maemo zwnj (n=behnam@213.207.217.39) |
| 09:23.55 | qwerty12 | aquatix, true :) |
| 09:24.00 | aquatix | is happy with his sony ericsson m600i |
| 09:24.10 | aquatix | qwerty12: there will be a P5 soonish |
| 09:24.16 | qwerty12 | aquatix, I know :) |
| 09:24.22 | aquatix | heh, k :) |
| 09:24.26 | doc|work | qwerty12: the symbian ones? Give it a little time and the freerunner will have many of those. For 'enterprisey' stuff like mail it comes with it installed |
| 09:24.37 | doc|work | or should do |
| 09:24.51 | lardman | is repository.maemo.org working for anyone? |
| 09:25.04 | RST38h | doc: I would avoid the open-source stuff |
| 09:25.14 | qwerty12 | I have to agree with RST38h. |
| 09:25.14 | RST38h | Very small user base, few applications |
| 09:25.16 | doc|work | RST38h: I would avoid the closed-source stuff |
| 09:25.32 | doc|work | when they decide they no longer want to support you, you're ... fucked... |
| 09:25.47 | RST38h | With OpenMoko you are fucked from the start |
| 09:25.50 | doc|work | not to mention crapberry's require exchange last I checked |
| 09:25.53 | qwerty12 | Nah, the amount of applications available for S60 is amazing. |
| 09:26.01 | doc|work | RST38h: how nice, pan the product before it's even released.... |
| 09:26.01 | RST38h | Just too few applications and you only have a couple of phone models to choose from |
| 09:26.05 | qwerty12 | Plus the signing shit was cracked. |
| 09:26.24 | RST38h | doc: All right, how many OpenMoko phones are at the market today? |
| 09:26.38 | qwerty12 | I don't really UIQ3 tbh. I like the interface more than Nokia's S60 but the apps are so low in number compared to S60. |
| 09:26.46 | doc|work | RST38h: one, which is sold out, the next is soon to be released |
| 09:26.52 | RST38h | doc: One? :) |
| 09:26.59 | doc|work | do I need to repeat myself? |
| 09:27.02 | RST38h | doc: How many S60 phones are on the market? |
| 09:27.25 | doc|work | RST38h: how many of those allow are as open as the openmoko phones? |
| 09:27.27 | RST38h | doc: You want to day that in a very short time there will be TWO OpenMoko phones on the market? ;) |
| 09:27.46 | RST38h | doc: Well, S60 is open *enough* for me to program for it |
| 09:28.03 | doc|work | RST38h: oh right, sorry, I'll email them and tell them we should have 12 phones, and have them tomorrow. I'm sure they'll get right on it... |
| 09:28.11 | RST38h | Some features require that goddamn signing, but just some |
| 09:28.21 | RST38h | doc: You don't need to worry |
| 09:28.26 | doc|work | worry? |
| 09:28.34 | doc|work | isn't worrying |
| 09:28.38 | RST38h | I mean, no need to spend your time emailing them |
| 09:28.49 | doc|home | RST38h: that was sarcasm |
| 09:29.07 | RST38h | I will just buy a phone running established platform, just like 99% consumers |
| 09:29.28 | doc|home | use windows too? |
| 09:29.40 | RST38h | Nope, because WinMobile sucks royally |
| 09:29.48 | doc|home | I didn't ask about winmobile |
| 09:29.53 | RST38h | Either S60 or UIQ3 will do though |
| 09:30.13 | RST38h | You are asking whether I use Windows at home? |
| 09:30.19 | qwerty12 | I don't like UIQ3 :p, probably gonna sell the P1 if I get it fixed :p |
| 09:30.26 | RST38h | Yea, I use Windows. Even program for it. |
| 09:30.27 | doc|home | hears a whooosh |
| 09:30.34 | doc|home | RST38h: sounds about right |
| 09:30.43 | RST38h | Also use and progeram for Unix. |
| 09:30.57 | RST38h | Have I just destroyed your stereotype? |
| 09:31.02 | doc|home | not really |
| 09:31.25 | lardman | ~lart repository.maemo.org for not working |
| 09:31.25 | infobot | declares repository.maemo.org a moron for not working |
| 09:31.42 | lardman | anyone got a copy of the latest os2008 kernel lying about? |
| 09:31.54 | lardman | kernel source that is |
| 09:31.54 | doc|home | lardman: yeah, one sec |
| 09:32.03 | doc|home | er, source? or flash image? |
| 09:32.07 | lardman | source |
| 09:32.10 | doc|home | sorry, no |
| 09:32.18 | qwerty12 | who's willing to upload 50MB? |
| 09:32.44 | lardman | np, looks like the repository is starting to respond now, very very slowly |
| 09:32.45 | qwerty12 | I've got the source but my upload is already slow and linux even more slow and my wifi card likes to kernelpanic. |
| 09:32.51 | lardman | :) |
| 09:32.58 | doc|home | qwerty12: I was about to upload the flash file :) ~130MB |
| 09:33.23 | qwerty12 | 54MB :) |
| 09:33.30 | qwerty12 | Diff patch and kernel source. |
| 09:33.31 | lardman | I've managed to grab a whole 517 bytes, yay! |
| 09:33.44 | doc|home | zZzZzZz |
| 09:33.45 | doc|home | night |
| 09:33.51 | qwerty12 | night. |
| 09:33.52 | lardman | night doc|home |
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| 09:34.16 | qwerty12 | lardman, I can send you the diff patch. Maybe it will apply to the standard 2.6.21 kernel tree? |
| 09:35.13 | lardman | qwerty12: thanks, but I'll see if I can grab it from the repo to save your bandwidth |
| 09:35.33 | lardman | strange, I did "apt-get source rx-34-kernel" and I seem to have just got the patch... |
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| 09:36.57 | qwerty12 | You have the diff patch right? 903.9 KB. |
| 09:37.08 | qwerty12 | I'm uploading kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz to mediafire. |
| 09:37.12 | qwerty12 | 17 mins. |
| 09:37.24 | qwerty12 | crosses my fingers that linux doesn't kernel panic. |
| 09:37.42 | lardman | I've got rx-34-kernel_2.6.21.0-200749osso2.tar.gz 14726bytes |
| 09:38.12 | qwerty12 | H'mm I have kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz and kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz |
| 09:38.27 | lardman | yeah, that's what I was expecting |
| 09:39.01 | qwerty12 | I'm uploading kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz, it will be there in 13 mins. |
| 09:39.10 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 09:39.16 | qwerty12 | After that, I'll upload the diff patch. |
| 09:39.20 | qwerty12 | Mediafire is fine right? |
| 09:39.40 | lardman | I need to do some digging in the kernel code to work out what the error is on the N8x0 when I try to map the framebuffer on the DPS |
| 09:39.44 | lardman | DSP even |
| 09:43.27 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.38 | lardman | thought I'd try anyway |
| 09:44.24 | qwerty12 | :(. It's gonna be 9 mins before kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz is uploaded. After that, I'll upload kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz and the dsc file (not sure it helps in this case but still :)) |
| 09:44.56 | qwerty12 | I just hope I don't get any kernel panics. Under Ubuntu 8.04, I've been pretty lucky. |
| 09:45.39 | lardman | thanks, I have my fingers crossed for your kernel :) |
| 09:47.16 | lardman | qwerty12: how much data do you get /month ? |
| 09:47.56 | qwerty12 | lardman, I think the limit's about 2gb. I go over it a lot though every month. It's about 5 computers on one wifi network. |
| 09:48.38 | lardman | oh, sorry about that |
| 09:49.08 | qwerty12 | Nah, it's no problem :). I don't think uploads count anyway, if they do, I'd have found another way of going over :) |
| 09:49.24 | qwerty12 | Infact, I may not be going over. |
| 09:51.57 | qwerty12 | 30 seconds :) |
| 09:53.59 | lardman | :) |
| 09:54.21 | qwerty12 | http://www.mediafire.com/?n9lyk1romgv |
| 09:54.37 | qwerty12 | Now I'll upload the dsc file first, should take me a few seconds. And then the diff patch. |
| 09:55.22 | qwerty12 | http://www.mediafire.com/?cu9aveyb9wn |
| 09:56.00 | lardman | school-boy question, but how do I download it? |
| 09:56.18 | qwerty12 | Click the link and wait a few secs and it says click here to download. |
| 09:56.19 | lardman | I open the page and it sits there loading, saying it's transferring data |
| 09:56.40 | qwerty12 | It's working for me :/ |
| 09:56.56 | qwerty12 | Here is the diff patch http://www.mediafire.com/?txmlvm9cend |
| 09:57.34 | qwerty12 | Any luck still? :/ |
| 09:57.50 | lardman | thanks, still sitting with most of the page rendered, but no download link |
| 09:57.52 | lardman | hmm |
| 09:58.16 | qwerty12 | Hmm, do you get a blue bar about half of the screen down? |
| 09:58.47 | lardman | ok, getting somewhere now, it was downloading a bloody flash commercial |
| 09:59.15 | qwerty12 | Ow. I'm using FF 3.0 with adblock, maybe that's why I didn't see it? |
| 09:59.53 | qwerty12 | If you aren't getting anywhere, find me another web host and I'll upload it there. |
| 09:59.59 | lardman | my popup blocker blocked it in the end, but it's only the built-in FF one |
| 10:00.12 | lardman | no no, I'm wget'ing it now, eta 7min |
| 10:00.19 | lardman | thank you very much :) |
| 10:00.34 | qwerty12 | Cool :). No problem, good luck on your dsp issue :) |
| 10:00.59 | lardman | thanks, I'll post it to the list to remind me the next time I look at it :) |
| 10:01.24 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 10:02.07 | qwerty12 | I'm happy now because I solved my scratchbox issues under Ubuntu Hardy. |
| 10:03.09 | lardman | I'm using Gutsy Gibbon |
| 10:03.37 | lardman | which is part of the problem - I had to rebuild and lots of my files got deleted in the process as I didn't have room to store it all |
| 10:04.16 | qwerty12 | Probably best if you don't wan't to have any issues. Installing scratchbox under Hardy is annoying. (But it works if you upgrade from gutsy, just disable VDSO) |
| 10:05.01 | qwerty12 | Ubuntu 7.10 was great with scratchbox, worked out of the box with no issues. But 8.04 isn't great. It was probably me who killed off repo.maemo.org :p, the amount of times I downloaded the SDK... |
| 10:05.14 | lardman | I'll leave it alone I think - I only really use it for development, and the fewer non-development related problems I have the better :) |
| 10:05.23 | lardman | :) |
| 10:05.27 | qwerty12 | Good choice :) |
| 10:06.12 | qwerty12 | Except for FF3 (beta), AccessKit and a new login theme, I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. |
| 10:07.09 | qwerty12 | Hehe, my mediafire links are here: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoUrls |
| 10:07.33 | lardman | I moved from Mandrakiva-whatever it';s called now, because I had dep hell trying to install anything other than FF1 |
| 10:08.02 | lardman | good stuff, obviously some people lurking :) |
| 10:09.09 | qwerty12 | :(. The only distro I used properly was Ubuntu. I tried Red Hat 7 a few years later which was pointless because everything gave dep errors. And being 13, I thought Linux hated me :/ |
| 10:10.11 | johnx | ahaha...I think I was about that age when I tried RedHat 5.1 |
| 10:10.30 | johnx | rh5 was so bad O_o |
| 10:11.06 | qwerty12 | agreed :P. But I did like the installer from RH7 which made it's way into Fedora. |
| 10:11.34 | johnx | RH5 was a really sketchy text-based installer I think |
| 10:12.01 | qwerty12 | Yeah, I think in RH7, it was anaconda. |
| 10:12.31 | qwerty12 | But Ubuntu 7.10 installer got me angry, it went and wiped my XP recovery partition. |
| 10:13.28 | johnx | yeah, I've never trusted any distro "auto-partitioning" tools |
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| 10:14.16 | AStorm | heh, FreeBSD installer tops it all |
| 10:14.23 | AStorm | it has a lot of points of no return |
| 10:14.25 | AStorm | :> |
| 10:14.32 | qwerty12 | Good choice. I'd made free space for Ubuntu and I let it do the work because I wasn't (and still am now) sure about creating the proper swap partition etc but it shouldn't have counted my recovery partition as it had data on it. |
| 10:14.57 | johnx | yeah, that's not good behavior |
| 10:14.58 | qwerty12 | And I never did make the recovery disks (it wanted 20 single layer dvds!) |
| 10:15.06 | johnx | O_o |
| 10:15.12 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 10:15.20 | johnx | one for windows and 19 for bloatware? |
| 10:15.21 | AStorm | even dd wouldn't use that many |
| 10:15.33 | AStorm | esp. if compressed |
| 10:15.42 | qwerty12 | johnx, Must be, I couldn't believe the number. |
| 10:15.47 | AStorm | 20*8 = 160G |
| 10:15.57 | AStorm | did it try to make a disk image? |
| 10:16.09 | AStorm | uncompressed? |
| 10:16.13 | qwerty12 | No idea, I went and cancelled it. |
| 10:16.27 | AStorm | I have to congratulate the developer who wrote that. |
| 10:17.04 | qwerty12 | HP. This computer came with a lot of crap. I was on the verge of downloading XP MCE of a torrent and modifying it to accept my HP OEM key. |
| 10:17.31 | AStorm | heh, at least my ACER has a real Home Edition key. |
| 10:17.46 | johnx | I bet they make a fortune selling "recovery disks" to people... |
| 10:22.06 | lardman | got to reboot, back in a little while, thanks for the files qwerty12 |
| 10:22.14 | qwerty12 | np |
| 10:23.15 | qwerty12 | w00t!. I finally got scratchbox to work under a clean install in hardy! |
| 10:26.51 | aquatix | nice |
| 10:27.00 | aquatix | qwerty12: what don't you like about uiq3 btw? |
| 10:27.05 | aquatix | [old subject :) ] |
| 10:27.19 | qwerty12 | Hehe, it's the amount of apps that are available compared to S60. |
| 10:27.25 | qwerty12 | Extremely less. |
| 10:28.11 | qwerty12 | Also, an N95 with 64MB ram can run Quake1 fine but my P1i with 128MB ram cannot due to heap size or something. Things like that. |
| 10:28.49 | aquatix | hm |
| 10:28.57 | aquatix | never tried quake on my m600i [yet] |
| 10:29.07 | aquatix | but i like what it does |
| 10:30.01 | qwerty12 | you will never get the chance to :P. I thought UIQ3 had a lot of potential but at the end of the day, even my N-Gage could run more apps than my P1i. |
| 10:30.24 | aquatix | yeah, but what does s60 have that uiq3 doesn't? |
| 10:30.31 | aquatix | just being curious :) |
| 10:31.06 | _acyd_ | i still want an e90 |
| 10:31.17 | aquatix | played with an e90 yesterday |
| 10:31.20 | aquatix | quite nice |
| 10:31.25 | aquatix | missed a touch screen :/ |
| 10:31.54 | aquatix | and i think the browser isn't up-to-par with microb :) |
| 10:31.59 | acydlord | one of my friends is deaf, he school provided her with a blackberry curve initially |
| 10:32.02 | qwerty12 | Way more apps :P and games :P. Also, more customisations can be done. Also Nokia doesn't abandon their customers. N95 and P990 has same amount of ram. Nokia announce that memory stuff, what is, yes, demand paging. Boosted up the speed of the N95 nicely. SE announce they will not be making anymore firmware updates. |
| 10:32.09 | acydlord | but then they went 80% on an e90 |
| 10:33.06 | aquatix | yeah, abandoning updates sucks |
| 10:33.13 | aquatix | otoh, n95 is still a current model |
| 10:33.44 | aquatix | p990 and m600i are `old' models |
| 10:34.12 | qwerty12 | But the P990 shouldn't have been abandoned like that. The p1i (which I have) wasn't a massive step up. Biggest thing was the 128MB ram which the N95 8GB got too. Nokia still put demand paging in N95. |
| 10:36.10 | aquatix | hm-hmm |
| 10:36.17 | aquatix | i don't defend sony |
| 10:36.32 | aquatix | i just like having a touch screen, and i think uiq3 does quite well |
| 10:36.43 | johnx | Wait, are you holding up Nokia as a shining example of not abandoning hardware? |
| 10:37.10 | qwerty12 | johnx, not in general but in that case, the circumstances were very similar. |
| 10:37.38 | qwerty12 | I'm unsure. Should I install xemacs or emacs-curses? |
| 10:37.40 | aquatix | still, the n95 is still a current model, so i see a distinction |
| 10:37.45 | aquatix | qwerty12: vim ;) |
| 10:37.47 | aquatix | hides |
| 10:38.09 | qwerty12 | aquatix, I use vim :) but I want to try out emacs too on my N800 :) |
| 10:38.20 | aquatix | emacs on your n800? ouch :P |
| 10:38.32 | aquatix | hm, is there a vim package for maemo? |
| 10:38.33 | aquatix | gooels |
| 10:38.38 | aquatix | *googles |
| 10:38.44 | qwerty12 | Yes, there is. full vim I think. |
| 10:38.54 | aquatix | nice |
| 10:39.21 | qwerty12 | I think it's also in OS2008 software catalog at www.maemo.org/software/OS2008 |
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| 10:39.58 | aquatix | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ |
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| 10:40.27 | qwerty12 | Ah, it's done by mgedmin :) |
| 10:41.18 | aquatix | Updated 1970-01-01 00:00 UTC |
| 10:41.27 | aquatix | wow, someone was foreseeing :) |
| 10:41.29 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 11:31.20 | lardman | why is the search function in Gnome so rubbish? |
| 11:32.32 | `0660 | which search backend do you use? |
| 11:32.46 | lardman | no idea, as it comes out of the box |
| 11:32.51 | lardman | with Ubuntu |
| 11:33.09 | lardman | Nautilus 2.20.0 |
| 11:33.39 | `0660 | i don't know how ubuntu is configured :/ |
| 11:34.28 | lardman | Nautilus leaves a lot to be desired (coming from KDE), no tabbed filebrowsing (afaict) and the search button has no options and seems to just search -R ~/* |
| 11:34.39 | `0660 | you could try installing tracker or beagle |
| 11:34.54 | lardman | yeah, I'll have to do some experimenting |
| 11:38.56 | AStorm | lardman: tabs? |
| 11:38.59 | AStorm | just use windows |
| 11:39.11 | AStorm | tabs are a fix to bad window management |
| 11:39.15 | AStorm | not that metacity is good ;P |
| 11:39.24 | lardman | AStorm: I end up with ~10 windows open on the desktop then |
| 11:39.31 | AStorm | so? |
| 11:39.43 | AStorm | enable one-window mode? |
| 11:41.20 | lardman | what's that? |
| 11:41.49 | AStorm | makes it not open windows for folders |
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| 11:42.46 | lardman | ~10 filebrowser windows + 2 ssh windows + 2 sftp windows + 2 terms for compiler (ARM & DSP) -> too many windows, feels cluttered |
| 11:42.58 | lardman | AStorm: so it can open in tabs then? |
| 11:43.21 | sp3000 | double-middleclick closes the parent when opening the child, fwiw |
| 11:44.13 | sp3000 | and if you use the low-chrome version instead of the browse-ui laden style that ubuntu may still default to, having a few folders open isn't very disturbing |
| 11:45.19 | lardman | ah, I don't get that, mine keeps the same window open and changes the contents, but I really need to see the contents of multiple directories without scolling through |
| 11:45.58 | lardman | e.g. ARM & DSP build directories, probably a couple of example build directories, kernel code directory, dspgateway dir, my pdf dir, etc., etc. |
| 11:46.17 | sp3000 | compare http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html |
| 11:46.23 | johnx | my solution is just multiple desktops and compiz |
| 11:47.59 | lardman | sp3000: remove the clutter on the side you mean, the context menus sort of stuff |
| 11:48.37 | lardman | johnx: yeah, I've been doing that - one desktop for the device (so ssh, sftp windows, etc.), another for the ARM build and another for the DSP build, but it's not ideal |
| 11:48.39 | johnx | the places list on the left? just double click the dividing line |
| 11:49.23 | johnx | the other thing is liberal use of the "scale windows" ie the mac expose rip-off |
| 11:49.51 | johnx | throw my mouse cursor at the bottom right and it fits everything on the screen |
| 11:49.59 | sp3000 | lardman, the bit in table 1 shows the difference between always_use_browser and not, i.e. upstream and ubuntu defaults |
| 11:51.09 | sp3000 | prefers more content, less chrome |
| 11:51.10 | sp3000 | but, whatever setup suits you best is the right answer :) |
| 11:51.14 | lardman | I see, but that's not the issue here, I know I can open multiple windows (which is what I have to do), but I'd prefer to have a less cluttered taskbar |
| 11:51.38 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 11:51.42 | lardman | i.e. a single entry on the taskbar for filebrowsers (tabs for example) |
| 11:51.47 | sp3000 | it does do grouping |
| 11:52.21 | johnx | yeah, right click the taskbar area, hit properties, "group windows when space is limited |
| 11:52.23 | sp3000 | settings in context menu from the handle on the left end of the tasklist |
| 11:52.23 | lardman | Yes, and if I took a little longer to read the labels on the taskbar that would also help, or made my taskbar bigger, but it still niggles |
| 11:53.09 | johnx | wants to see a better tabs implementation at the window manager level :/ |
| 11:53.15 | lardman | many of the directory names (the last one) are the same, so I may have 3 windows all called "ARM" and have to switch between them to see which is the one I want |
| 11:53.18 | johnx | will wander off and google it probably |
| 11:53.23 | sp3000 | I hear there are such wms |
| 11:53.45 | johnx | yeah, but most of the ones I've seen are brain damagingly ugly |
| 11:54.08 | johnx | and ... I *really* like compiz |
| 11:54.10 | lardman | Konqueror can open filebrowsers in tabs, looks like firefox |
| 11:54.18 | sp3000 | I have a feeling they tend to require subscribing to an ideological newsletter, yes |
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| 11:54.31 | johnx | right, but I want it at the window manager level |
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| 11:54.41 | johnx | there's no reason to code it into each app |
| 11:55.02 | acydlord | yes there is |
| 11:55.10 | acydlord | different apps use different frameworks |
| 11:55.35 | johnx | ok, fair enough...but I'd *also* like to see it at a wm level so I can tab apps that aren't coded with tabs in mind |
| 11:55.43 | johnx | for example rxvt |
| 11:56.04 | acydlord | i think i see what you mean |
| 11:56.17 | acydlord | tabbed instances for the same program |
| 11:56.43 | johnx | right, just cut the title bar in half and raise window1 when I click on the left, and window two when I click on the right |
| 11:56.58 | johnx | 3 tabs? three sections of the title bar |
| 11:57.14 | johnx | ok, someone has to have done this now that I think of it... |
| 11:57.23 | sp3000 | sure, such things exist |
| 11:57.34 | sp3000 | that let you arrange windows into tabbed stacks |
| 11:57.43 | sp3000 | can't name one offhand though :) |
| 11:58.04 | johnx | digs through compiz options |
| 11:59.56 | johnx | ahaha...well I've found things I really don't want |
| 12:01.30 | sp3000 | that's what options are for, things that most people don't want :P |
| 12:02.53 | johnx | lardman, grab this: compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 12:03.01 | johnx | then dig through the options for "groups and tabs" |
| 12:03.40 | johnx | I'm still playing, but this seems like it might be close to what I want at least |
| 12:08.27 | lardman | last time I tried compiz my computer died |
| 12:08.58 | johnx | ah, for some reason I thought you were already running it |
| 12:09.08 | johnx | in gutsy 7.10? |
| 12:09.16 | lardman | to be honest I haven't a clue what I'm running |
| 12:09.19 | lardman | yeah |
| 12:10.16 | johnx | when you tried compiz was it a whole bunch of packages you had to install? If you're using gutsy you can just click system -> preferences -> appearance and enable "desktop effects" aka compiz |
| 12:10.31 | johnx | if it doesn't work you can let it sit for 30 seconds and it will restore your old settings |
| 12:10.39 | johnx | nothing new to install, etc |
| 12:11.00 | lardman | when I tried was with Manrdiva, and I've disabled all "effects" now as my 7900gtx and 7300gs don't seem to like playing together |
| 12:11.15 | lardman | so yes, I have probably used in with Ubuntu too |
| 12:11.28 | johnx | aaaah...I remember now. You have a hojillion monitors hooked up |
| 12:11.47 | johnx | yeah, no idea |
| 12:11.57 | lardman | I had 3 and was planning 4, have fallen back to 2, really need to get a new graphics card |
| 12:11.59 | johnx | maybe there's another tabbed wm that can fit in well with gnome |
| 12:12.41 | johnx | because compiz does it ... but it's pretty rudimentary and seems like it's more flash than substance... |
| 12:12.43 | lardman | I'll have a look into it at some point, thanks for the pointer though. I may give compiz another look (once I've finished what I'm doing and it won't piss me off to much if I get a kernel panic) |
| 12:13.07 | johnx | good plan |
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| 12:26.50 | acydlord | i had compiz fusion running for awhile, then i got bored with it and got rid of it all |
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| 12:43.32 | aquarius- | is there anyone with european version of N810? |
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| 12:43.55 | Robot101 | how do you mean european version? I bought mine in the UK |
| 12:44.14 | aquarius- | Robot101: i have bought it in US and it only sees 11 wifi channels |
| 12:44.24 | aquarius- | since i live in europe, i want to use all 13 |
| 12:44.34 | Robot101 | yeah, you can't change that. |
| 12:44.46 | aquarius- | can you please do an md5sum of your /lib/firmware/3826.arm for me? |
| 12:45.07 | Robot101 | it's set in the ROM of the device, not the firmware |
| 12:45.22 | aquarius- | that's pretty bad |
| 12:45.28 | Robot101 | only the bootloader can write there |
| 12:45.36 | aquarius- | i see |
| 12:45.39 | Robot101 | it's not bad, it's entirely intentional... |
| 12:46.14 | aquarius- | the prices are quite differrent, i know... |
| 12:46.36 | Robot101 | it's nothing to do with the prices, it's a legal requirement depending where the devices are sold |
| 12:46.45 | aquarius- | where can i find some further information on this topic? |
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| 12:47.52 | aquarius- | well, since i'm no longer in the us, i'd like to change that. N810 is not sold where i live (actually the staff in local nokia store crowded to see my IT when i came back) so i have to help myself |
| 12:48.25 | keesj | :P |
| 12:48.54 | davep | aloha |
| 12:50.01 | davep | i just did a kde install on mmc2 and now my virtual memory is limited to 96 megs, anyone run across this? |
| 12:51.08 | Robot101 | aquarius-: I've only ever changed the ROM on one device where I wrote over it by mistake with a buggy version of the flasher which mis-identified the prototype device as a new device with a different flash layout, and wiped the ROM bit |
| 12:51.40 | Robot101 | so stuff like the MAC address and BTID were gone |
| 12:51.53 | Robot101 | most people in nokia said it was a brick then, but someone built me a version of the flasher which wrote back a MAC address into the ROM |
| 12:52.04 | Robot101 | but they had to recompile the flasher for me to do it |
| 12:52.18 | Robot101 | and you definitely can't do that, and this bit of ROM isn't writable under linux |
| 12:53.08 | johnx | interesting... |
| 12:53.09 | keesj | ubercool info |
| 12:53.14 | Robot101 | sorry, s/flasher/bootloader/ |
| 12:53.27 | aquarius- | isn't writable or ins't supposed to be writable? ;) (sounds like similar problem with restricted wifi cards in thinkpads) |
| 12:53.47 | t_s_o | and if nokia ever allowed anyone to mess around with the rom the fcc and similar would drop some legal elefants on them quite fast... |
| 12:54.00 | Robot101 | t_s_o: right, I think so, yes... |
| 12:54.19 | johnx | so they compiled you a custom bootloader that could write back the correct values when run? |
| 12:54.21 | aquarius- | ok, it seems that only reverse engineering will do the thing, right? :) |
| 12:54.22 | t_s_o | its a common problem with radioes and open source... |
| 12:54.26 | Robot101 | johnx: yeah |
| 12:54.48 | Robot101 | johnx: you send some escape over the serial port (with a debugging jig) and get to a NOLO prompt |
| 12:55.13 | Robot101 | aquarius-: well it's clearly not supposed to be writable, but I don't know how/where that's enforced, or even where you'd start looking, but the general idea I got is that you can't get to it from linux, it needs to be the bootloader |
| 12:55.14 | johnx | and that magic place that holds MAC address and channel list isn't actually part of the same NAND chip that holds bootloader, kernel, initfs, rootfs, etc? |
| 12:55.42 | Robot101 | hrm, well I think it is, but it's not written to by the flasher. |
| 12:55.44 | t_s_o | as someone pointed out to me, its easier to jam transmissions then control them. so any kind of radio that isnt tightly limited is basically a jammer... |
| 12:56.20 | johnx | Robot101, thanks for the info |
| 12:59.02 | aquarius- | is there anyone actually doing some research about this wifi channel thing on IT? i can try to download and maybe understand the kernel driver but i'm not really a programmer, just root :) |
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| 13:01.07 | aquarius- | Robot101: can you do me the favor and md5sum that firmware anyway? thanks |
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| 13:06.40 | johnx | ahaha...I wonder if wlancond actually sets the frequency limits rather than the kernel driver |
| 13:06.47 | johnx | I just have this funny feeling :) |
| 13:10.20 | johnx | well, iwconfig will actually let me set channels up to 13, but I have no idea if that's actually happening at a hardware level |
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| 13:11.20 | lcuk | arghhhhhh johnx, turn down your wifi. its bleeding over the tv signal. no amp should goto 13 |
| 13:11.42 | johnx | :P |
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| 13:12.18 | johnx | hey, the country I'm in now actually allows it :P |
| 13:12.19 | aquarius- | johnx: dmesg tells you how many channels are active |
| 13:12.29 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 13:12.54 | johnx | aquarius-, cx3110x: scanned 13 channels |
| 13:13.03 | johnx | is that what you're talking about? |
| 13:13.17 | aquarius- | johnx: yes, that's it... I only have 11 channels |
| 13:14.12 | johnx | well, here's part of your answer, wlancond looks up some stuff in flash or ROM or *someplace* and messes with wifi based on that |
| 13:15.39 | aquarius- | there is strace available for maemo... cool :) |
| 13:15.52 | johnx | I have Debian booted on my N800 and I'm using wpa_supplicant to handle wifi connections, so my MAC address is 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee |
| 13:16.06 | johnx | and my channels are available up to 13 |
| 13:16.32 | johnx | it says 14 is available too, in iwlist, but I think that's not actually available in hardware or in the cx3110x kernel driver |
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| 13:16.59 | aquarius- | what country actually allows channel 14? japan? |
| 13:17.03 | johnx | yup |
| 13:17.18 | johnx | ah, and Spain now |
| 13:17.26 | johnx | reads wikipedia |
| 13:18.09 | aquarius- | wonders how does the situation look on spanish-french border :) |
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| 13:19.41 | acydlord | i'll psh your face |
| 13:20.00 | acydlord | ack, way for xchat to go active |
| 13:20.00 | johnx | it sure would be funny if you could just trick wlancond into looking somewhere else for the info |
| 13:20.07 | johnx | ahaha |
| 13:20.21 | acydlord | facepalms |
| 13:21.02 | johnx | heh...the number of times I've typed ls or cd .. into IRC is quite impressive |
| 13:21.11 | acydlord | lol |
| 13:21.17 | aquarius- | johnx: i've thought about that one... similar to change MAC address only till next reboot... I can set this to run on boot time |
| 13:21.43 | acydlord | i've caught myself trying to grep or whereis in the address bar a few times |
| 13:22.27 | aquarius- | acydlord: you can at least use `whois` there :) (new google function) |
| 13:22.57 | acydlord | if i had my browser set up properly yes |
| 13:23.05 | acydlord | i use flock and ive been too lazy to switch it from yahoo |
| 13:24.17 | aquarius- | se you later, folks... I'm gonna enjoy rest of the afternoon geocaching :) |
| 13:24.54 | johnx | have fun |
| 13:25.06 | aquarius- | Robot101, johnx: thanks for hints |
| 13:25.08 | johnx | tell me if you strace wlancond later and get any good info out of it :) |
| 13:26.12 | aquarius- | johnx: the only good info so far is that I wish I payed more attention at programming lessons :) |
| 13:26.25 | johnx | heh...you and me both |
| 13:26.39 | NullM0dem | I wish i had programming lessons |
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| 14:09.59 | adam_ | for some reason I am having trouble getting flasher-3.0 to run with ./flasher-3.0 command |
| 14:10.14 | johnx | is it giving an error? |
| 14:10.55 | adam_ | just saying ./flasher-3.0: command not found |
| 14:11.31 | johnx | did you make sure you made it executable (chmod +x flasher-3.0)? Are you in the same directory as it? |
| 14:11.47 | johnx | ls flasher-3.0 |
| 14:11.48 | adam_ | i tried using chmod on it |
| 14:11.57 | adam_ | one sec |
| 14:13.06 | adam_ | i was running chmod with the with the .bin in the name |
| 14:13.10 | adam_ | let me try this again |
| 14:16.42 | adam_ | <johnx> do i need to perform chmod on the os bin as well? |
| 14:16.56 | johnx | nope |
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| 14:18.58 | adam_ | thanks john I got it |
| 14:19.03 | johnx | woo! |
| 14:19.09 | adam_ | it was just a small naming error |
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| 14:52.31 | adam_ | does anyone else have an Igo bluetooth keyboard that had trouble pairing the devices? |
| 14:53.09 | KotCzarny | search irc logs for my instructions |
| 14:53.47 | adam_ | where can those be found at? |
| 14:54.23 | aquatix | has iGo bt keyboard, but no troubles |
| 14:54.36 | lcuk | google with #maemo as one of keywords |
| 14:54.53 | sp3000 | topic |
| 14:55.08 | sp3000 | as is polite for a publicly logged channel |
| 14:55.19 | adam_ | let me check that really fast.. i think that it has to do with the device name |
| 14:55.22 | qwerty12 | is now doing my 6th install of scratchbox in 2 days. |
| 14:58.36 | KotCzarny | 0 matches in 549 log files with 882591 lines (47.7 seconds). |
| 14:58.43 | KotCzarny | that server is slow or what? |
| 14:58.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:59.00 | KotCzarny | (mg.pov.lt) |
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| 15:00.00 | lcuk | qwerty12, what do you keep breaking |
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| 15:00.39 | sp3000 | hm, I think it's been fast for me historically, maybe it's hit a perf knee on size |
| 15:01.02 | qwerty12 | lcuk, It's been a piss take installing the scratchbox in Ubuntu 8.04. 7.10 was perfect for sbox but 8.04 needs tweaking. I'm now starting again with the required changes made :) |
| 15:01.22 | KotCzarny | ok, i will write instructions again |
| 15:01.57 | lcuk | oh great, NOW you tell me - its just upgrading my 710 to 804 |
| 15:02.17 | qwerty12 | Muhahaha, if you are upgrading, just disable vdso :) |
| 15:02.27 | KotCzarny | 1/ goto control panel, bt keyboards, 2/ make igo discoverable, 3/ search and start pairing on n8x0 (it will show you pin to enter on kb) 4/ enter this pin on kb + enter |
| 15:02.36 | lcuk | thankfully i havent but sb on but i wrongly thought there wouldnt be a problem |
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| 15:02.52 | qwerty12 | lcuk, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208#post175208 |
| 15:02.53 | KotCzarny | you may try doing it few times because time frame when kb is accepting pin is very small |
| 15:03.40 | lcuk | thx qwerty12 ill read through when its finished updating |
| 15:03.42 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: you list ph5 blog as the source of vdso info, aboo ;) |
| 15:04.01 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, that's where I found the simple instructions I used :) |
| 15:04.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:04.22 | qwerty12 | I remember you proving it worked on your system after I said that line didn't work on mine :) |
| 15:04.31 | qwerty12 | If you want I can add you there too :) |
| 15:04.43 | lcuk | ok, who wants a coffee? |
| 15:04.45 | KotCzarny | but it was me pointing you that vdso needs to be disabled at the first place :) |
| 15:04.55 | KotCzarny | drank only 2 cups of coffee in the whole life |
| 15:04.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:05.08 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, true :). I'll add you if you wan't :) |
| 15:05.10 | johnx | KotCzarny, it's ok, I'm making up for it |
| 15:05.13 | lcuk | s/coffee/tea |
| 15:05.19 | qwerty12 | has never drunk tea or coffee in my life |
| 15:05.22 | lcuk | or whatever the syntax is |
| 15:05.29 | qwerty12 | finish it off with a / |
| 15:05.30 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: nah, i'm just grumbling :) |
| 15:05.38 | qwerty12 | then infobot comes in |
| 15:05.40 | KotCzarny | no, don't finish |
| 15:05.47 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I don't mean to offend :) |
| 15:05.54 | KotCzarny | people can do substitution themselves |
| 15:06.10 | KotCzarny | why call bot to spam the already active chan :) |
| 15:06.23 | KotCzarny | well, tea could be ok too |
| 15:06.27 | KotCzarny | with lemon though |
| 15:06.33 | qwerty12 | True. I shall stop using / :) |
| 15:06.57 | lcuk | ok, who would like a hot beverage whilst i am downstairs in the kitchen boiling the kettle and making myself a cup of lovely coffee? |
| 15:07.11 | NullM0dem | I drink a pot of cofee a day |
| 15:07.16 | KotCzarny | hot cocoa sounds great |
| 15:07.38 | qwerty12 | lcuk, sure :). How much is shipping to London from up north? :p |
| 15:08.24 | lcuk | shipping isnt a problem and luckily by the time it gets down to the wussy south it will be cool enough for you to drink :P |
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| 15:08.58 | qwerty12 | You know da dirty south come merk da north :P |
| 15:09.15 | qwerty12 | Actually I'm unsure which side I should be on :/ |
| 15:09.22 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: btw. info about vdso is in scratchbox install/readmy txt file i think |
| 15:09.46 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I include it again for people like me who never read it :) |
| 15:09.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:10.21 | KotCzarny | and for your bandwidth and regular redownloads problem, how much spare disk space you have? |
| 15:10.30 | KotCzarny | it may be beneficial for you to setup some caching proxy |
| 15:10.46 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.56 | qwerty12 | 26GB free on my Ubuntu partition and about 30GB left on Windows :/ |
| 15:17.31 | sp3000 | repartitioning is such great fun |
| 15:17.46 | sp3000 | or resizing rather |
| 15:17.54 | sp3000 | scary /and/ it takes forever :) |
| 15:18.14 | qwerty12 | Indeed :). I used a little Warez cd I downloaded to do it... |
| 15:19.44 | sp3000 | gparted worked fine for me |
| 15:20.32 | qwerty12 | It took ages (it didn't seem to be doing anything) and all I wanted was a 50GB partition. And as much as I'm gonna be hated, I prefer commercial tools when touching my hard disk. |
| 15:20.35 | qwerty12 | runs like hell |
| 15:20.39 | sp3000 | aside from a little transient interference from things wanting to automount parts on the external drive here and there |
| 15:21.50 | sp3000 | sneaks in and mounts ntfs on qwerty12's / |
| 15:22.02 | qwerty12 | noooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 15:22.40 | KotCzarny | that wouldn't be too bad |
| 15:22.50 | KotCzarny | i think ntfs supports most of the essential things |
| 15:22.58 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.02 | qwerty12 | No permissions though :/ |
| 15:23.13 | KotCzarny | no? |
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| 15:23.17 | KotCzarny | try ntfs-3g |
| 15:23.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:23.34 | qwerty12 | Does ntfs-3g let you set exec permissions etc? :) |
| 15:23.40 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 15:23.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:24.06 | KotCzarny | but i haven't tried it, may be information buzz in my head |
| 15:24.12 | qwerty12 | Sounds alright. Maybe i'll run convert c: /f:ntfs soon anyway. |
| 15:24.33 | KotCzarny | try on a usb-flash or something first |
| 15:24.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:24.37 | qwerty12 | Never! ext3 for me :p |
| 15:24.46 | qwerty12 | I use NTFS on my win partition :) |
| 15:25.39 | qwerty12 | brb, scratchbox wants me to log out. |
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| 15:25.48 | khertan | Hi ! |
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| 15:27.02 | khertan | Hey ... ubuntu is now totally eradicated at home :) |
| 15:28.08 | johnx | uhm, congratulations? |
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| 15:29.00 | qwerty12 | I'm tempted to go in the same way if this install of sbox doesn't work. Or at least downgrade to 7.10. |
| 15:30.17 | khertan | my main problem wasn't scratchbox ... it s that i ve made a dist-upgrade ... |
| 15:30.32 | khertan | and the last one is a carnage on my pc |
| 15:30.51 | khertan | wifi don't work ... and i don't understand why compil fails ... |
| 15:31.12 | khertan | of the module. The one which is in the distribution don't work too |
| 15:31.41 | khertan | when backup from sleep ... usb is desactivated ... (it s a problem with an usb keyboard) |
| 15:31.50 | qwerty12 | Ah. I'm glad ndiswrapper kept on working for me but I'm not so glad I have to use ndiswrapper in the 1st place. |
| 15:31.54 | khertan | and the sli doesn't seems to work |
| 15:31.57 | qwerty12 | carries on my rant about ti |
| 15:32.17 | khertan | i ve a rt91 wifi chipset |
| 15:32.27 | khertan | rt61 |
| 15:32.52 | khertan | and when i ve try to fix this ... i ve kill grub ... :?{â~#{~ !!! |
| 15:32.59 | qwerty12 | Woah. |
| 15:33.05 | khertan | so i ve try gOS |
| 15:33.14 | khertan | but now it s based on gnome ... beurk |
| 15:33.19 | KotCzarny | well, just have grub on usb stick or something |
| 15:33.35 | khertan | KotCzarny: yes and need to compile a new kernel :) |
| 15:33.40 | qwerty12 | Nah, I like Gnome. |
| 15:33.54 | johnx | if Ubuntu pisses me off enough I'll probably just end up back on Debian, but for now it hasn't hit that threshold |
| 15:33.55 | khertan | i liked gnome in the past ... ;) |
| 15:34.14 | khertan | it s what i ve done ... a good one stable Debian ... |
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| 15:34.28 | khertan | as i don't have the time to fix problem |
| 15:34.28 | qwerty12 | Debian looks boring to me :/ |
| 15:34.33 | khertan | ? |
| 15:34.49 | khertan | with e17 this rocks :) |
| 15:34.54 | keesj | qwerty12: try bsd in that case |
| 15:34.59 | khertan | lol |
| 15:35.07 | qwerty12 | The desktop just says welcome to boredom for me :P. I'm tempted to try out OpenSUSE. |
| 15:35.18 | johnx | qwerty12, ahahaha. Ubuntu is just Debian with gnome installed by default and some user-friendly tweaks |
| 15:35.19 | qwerty12 | keesj, even more exciting than Debian? :p |
| 15:35.47 | khertan | johnx: userfriendly ... it s say quickly ... firefox 3 as default ... hum hum |
| 15:35.48 | keesj | qwerty12: I think it still rocks , only very boring |
| 15:35.48 | khertan | :) |
| 15:35.56 | qwerty12 | johnx, I know but Ubuntu and me just seem to click more than Debian does. At least 7.10. |
| 15:36.07 | qwerty12 | keesj, for some reason, I've never been tempted to try out BSD. |
| 15:36.14 | johnx | yeah, things that just work are pretty boring |
| 15:36.17 | johnx | like seatbelts |
| 15:36.19 | khertan | :) |
| 15:36.27 | qwerty12 | I hate seatbelts too :/ |
| 15:36.32 | keesj | qwerty12: download the livecd version |
| 15:36.46 | johnx | qwerty12, ahahaha. :D |
| 15:36.56 | qwerty12 | keesj, Yeah. I'll try it out in a Linux host ;p |
| 15:37.02 | qwerty12 | johnx, what can I say :p |
| 15:37.40 | johnx | just say that you'll wear your seatbelt anyways, and I'll be happy |
| 15:38.27 | qwerty12 | I should wear it, my mom goes on at me too but I feel uncomfortable with it on :) |
| 15:39.32 | johnx | If I offer you one bit of advice as someone who is older and has had more experiences than you: wear your seatbelt. If I hadn't I wouldn't be talking to you on IRC today. |
| 15:41.02 | qwerty12 | Wow. After hearing that, I shall wear it. Glad you are here, kinda shocked me to hear that. |
| 15:41.08 | qwerty12 | Thanks. |
| 15:42.00 | johnx | good. |
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| 15:45.16 | johnx | ok public service announcement over. the channel can go back to being un-serious now. :D |
| 15:45.38 | Navi | OMG SRSLY? |
| 15:45.40 | qwerty12 | Ok. here is do or die moment (for ubuntu anyway). Will it install armel package under hardy fine? |
| 15:45.42 | qwerty12 | Hehe |
| 15:46.14 | Atarii | before i flash my nokia again, does anyone have any last minute suggestions to why i cant access anything over the network? This happened right after i uninstalled adblock |
| 15:46.20 | Navi | I always wear my seatbelt. I put it on habitually |
| 15:46.39 | Atarii | it connects to the wirless ok, just wont display webpages, and ping reply with "network unreachable" |
| 15:46.50 | koyote | chuckles |
| 15:47.12 | koyote | problem 1 with linux PDAs. People think if it works, it's boring. |
| 15:47.24 | Atarii | lol definately true |
| 15:47.41 | Navi | O_o |
| 15:47.48 | Atarii | after finishing isntalling everythin on it last nite i was like, so what now... |
| 15:48.03 | acydlord | thats the problem with linux in general |
| 15:48.12 | koyote | which is why, despite having 3 linux PDAs, if I want something to actually use, it's a palm. |
| 15:48.57 | Navi | If it works, it's boring :P |
| 15:49.02 | keesj | palm is very usefull indeed, |
| 15:49.11 | johnx | right, but sometimes boring things are necessary |
| 15:49.12 | acydlord | my phone is palm |
| 15:49.12 | qwerty12 | Nah, I find my N800 a good replacement for my PPC. Nowhere near the same amount of games but the internet browser beats the ones I used at that time (ie mobile, opera & netfront) |
| 15:49.17 | koyote | stupid? well, yeah. If I want to actually use computers and have them work FOR ME and make my life easier, instead of existing to serve them, I should someday migrate away from linux pdas |
| 15:49.22 | acydlord | i still use my n810 more than any of my systems |
| 15:49.34 | qwerty12 | Note, I don't use or need any PIM(p) at all :p |
| 15:49.45 | keesj | being able to check my gmail whithin a few seconds after I wake up from sleep is such an experiance |
| 15:49.47 | acydlord | i dont use pim either |
| 15:50.03 | Navi | I use dates and maemopad+ |
| 15:50.07 | koyote | I use PIM. |
| 15:50.16 | qwerty12 | acydlord, that's why we use our N8*0 more than the others muhahahaha :p |
| 15:50.24 | koyote | and you know what? on the 8x0 it sucks :) |
| 15:50.29 | acydlord | sadly i must say my n810 is my second most stable machine |
| 15:50.34 | keesj | canola !! |
| 15:50.41 | acydlord | qwerty12, i just use 30boxes when i need a pim :) |
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| 15:50.54 | koyote | which is really amusing since I've had better ones on radio shack BASIC programmables. |
| 15:51.01 | qwerty12 | I don't actually use canola. It's flashy and nice but I always end up using xmms. |
| 15:51.06 | qwerty12 | acydlord, nice :p :) |
| 15:51.11 | Navi | What's wrong with GPE and Dates? |
| 15:51.17 | acydlord | my contacts are all in my email accounts or my sip accounts |
| 15:51.21 | koyote | it's not like the "development resources" scarcity argument applies. I think they really just don't care. |
| 15:51.23 | acydlord | dates is fine and all |
| 15:51.34 | acydlord | but i prefer to have more like a global roaming profile |
| 15:51.43 | Navi | I'll acknowledge that Palms for PIM being much better, but those two aren't that bad. |
| 15:52.08 | keesj | my pin has been in cvs for ages ssh + grep is very powerfull |
| 15:52.25 | acydlord | eh, the gpesuite synced flawlessly between my windows, linux, and palm when i had it installe don my n810 |
| 15:53.01 | qwerty12 | I only have GPE installed so I can use it with GPE summary to stick notes on my N800's desktop. Probably the only organising I do :/ |
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| 15:53.11 | acydlord | i still have all my phone numbers in an sql database at my offsite datacenter |
| 15:53.26 | acydlord | lol, i use real sticky notes |
| 15:53.35 | acydlord | my room is covered in postits |
| 15:54.22 | qwerty12 | lol, I can't be bothered to keep filling up on sticky notes :p |
| 15:54.23 | inz | acyd, did you ever finish the sqlite wordpress thingie? |
| 15:55.00 | acydlord | unfortunately no, i kind of abandoned it when i ended up taking on too much work |
| 15:55.26 | acydlord | hopefully in about a year i'll have the means to do whatever i want |
| 15:56.05 | acydlord | planning on opening up a brewery and bar in seattle and starting an NPO to evangelise opensource to companies and schools |
| 15:56.35 | koyote | good luck. |
| 15:56.39 | acydlord | thx |
| 15:56.42 | koyote | "If it works, it's no fun" |
| 15:56.54 | koyote | the brewing and bar should be okay, though :) |
| 15:56.55 | inz | acyd, I actually had a pretty decently working wordpress 2.3, but never got upgrade from the older one to work |
| 15:57.02 | inz | acyd, and then my laptop's hdd crashed |
| 15:57.13 | qwerty12 | Hello opensuse: http://pastebin.ca/999401 |
| 15:57.20 | acydlord | inz ouch, i've had 2 systems die out on me since then |
| 15:57.27 | koyote | I've thought about starting a meadery down here in CA. |
| 15:57.42 | acydlord | when i'm done slimming down wordpress 2.5 i may be able to give it another rundown |
| 15:57.43 | koyote | I make a couple hundred gallons a year as it is |
| 15:58.30 | acydlord | i was trying to start up a site doing microbrew reviews |
| 15:58.32 | acydlord | but i got lazy |
| 15:59.36 | acydlord | seems to be a running theme with me for the past year or 2 lol |
| 16:02.55 | inz | acydlord, reminds me of a song by Afroman... |
| 16:03.02 | acydlord | lol |
| 16:03.57 | acydlord | well folks i'm gonna go watch the golden compass and try to stake awake for the day |
| 16:04.01 | acydlord | i shall be back |
| 16:04.18 | qwerty12 | Please let me apologise for wasting so much repo.maemo.org bandwidth, stupid sdk, me and ubuntu 8.04. |
| 16:04.23 | Italodance | ummm hi guys |
| 16:04.44 | Italodance | where can i find install mythtv full package? and no one by one |
| 16:04.55 | qwerty12 | Not gonna happen. |
| 16:05.31 | Navi | There was an alpha build up on ITT |
| 16:05.57 | qwerty12 | But he wants all the deps in one package. |
| 16:07.31 | Italodance | yes possible? |
| 16:07.42 | Italodance | i want for online install |
| 16:08.04 | qwerty12 | It isn't possible. Why not use dpkg -i to install. |
| 16:08.49 | Italodance | qwerty12 hi where is the packages? |
| 16:09.19 | Italodance | onlt here : https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mythtv/ ? |
| 16:09.25 | qwerty12 | Yes. |
| 16:09.43 | Navi | Someone should whip up a one-click install |
| 16:09.49 | Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3736/libmyth-0.21_0.21-maemo1_armel.deb |
| 16:10.14 | qwerty12 | This page says what deb files you need: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18270 |
| 16:10.28 | Italodance | ops this https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3739/mythtv_0.21-maemo1_all.deb |
| 16:10.37 | Italodance | qwerty12 thank u |
| 16:10.50 | qwerty12 | You do know you need mythtv running on the computer as well right? unless you set up a backend on the device. |
| 16:12.27 | Italodance | qwerty12 how many tv chans are into mythtv? |
| 16:12.48 | qwerty12 | no idea, I never got it to work with my computer so I went and removed it. |
| 16:13.03 | qwerty12 | You need a tv tuner on your computer to watch tv off the N800. |
| 16:13.12 | qwerty12 | even then, the video may not stream well. |
| 16:13.36 | Italodance | qwerty12 but the quality of video center is good |
| 16:14.22 | Italodance | qwerty12 i want to test mythtv now...but ...so...u don't know how many and which tv chans are into it? |
| 16:15.25 | Navi | likes rotation |
| 16:15.39 | KotCzarny | srsly? |
| 16:15.45 | qwerty12 | I do. |
| 16:15.52 | KotCzarny | rotation is oooold |
| 16:16.13 | qwerty12 | I've been using it for a llllllllllllllong time ;) |
| 16:16.13 | Navi | Old or not, I didn't try it 'till now out of sheer laziness |
| 16:16.56 | Navi | I need to set up evolution to sync with dates too, but I've been lazy with that as well :P |
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| 16:48.05 | qwerty12 | Does anyone know if OpenSUSE 10.3 uses apt? |
| 16:49.09 | Stskeeps | doesn't it use yum? |
| 16:49.34 | Navi | It doesn't |
| 16:49.50 | RST38h | yam |
| 16:49.55 | RST38h | no, yast! |
| 16:50.02 | qwerty12 | I think it uses rpm looking at the the download page. I really need to get rid of Ubuntu. I can't believe they put out such pos with 8.04. |
| 16:50.36 | lcdd | suse broke all package management in 10.1 |
| 16:50.40 | Navi | It uses an RPM packages, yes. |
| 16:51.04 | johnx | qwerty12, what's wrong with it? |
| 16:51.19 | johnx | besides scratchbox not being compatible with it? |
| 16:51.37 | qwerty12 | Nothing. But the scratchbox issue is pretty big for me. |
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| 16:52.02 | johnx | well, that's going to happen with any newer distro I assume |
| 16:52.04 | muu | when we'll see pyqt4 ? :) |
| 16:52.07 | johnx | you can use the non-deb setup |
| 16:52.15 | qwerty12 | I'm not going to do through another 12 installs of scratchbox again. |
| 16:52.19 | qwerty12 | s/do/go |
| 16:52.36 | qwerty12 | 7.10 was brilliant, any way I can downgrade? |
| 16:52.46 | johnx | hmm...probably not easily |
| 16:53.07 | qwerty12 | Yeah, fuck it. I'm just gonna format and go back to windows and decide which distro to use. |
| 16:53.09 | Navi | It's just one more install with the non-deb way. |
| 16:53.19 | Navi | easier than a reformat |
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| 16:53.36 | RST38h | qwerty: What happened with Ubuntu at 8.02? |
| 16:53.38 | johnx | shrugs |
| 16:53.39 | RST38h | 8.04 sorry |
| 16:53.43 | johnx | your choice |
| 16:53.54 | johnx | RST38h, sbox has some issues with 8.04 apparently |
| 16:54.08 | RST38h | qwerty: have you already tried sb2 though/ |
| 16:54.10 | RST38h | ? |
| 16:54.21 | Navi | johnx, what issues? |
| 16:54.24 | qwerty12 | RST38h, sbox2 doesn't work. I issued that command and I still get same error :( |
| 16:54.56 | johnx | well there's the vdso issue and I'm sure qwerty12 will expound on other problems he's having |
| 16:55.22 | qwerty12 | http://pastebin.ca/999401 |
| 16:55.30 | qwerty12 | All my problems in a nutshell. |
| 16:55.31 | inz | I've not had any trouble with scratchbox and hardy (apart from the quickly debugged vdso and mmap problems) |
| 16:55.56 | qwerty12 | and "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs." |
| 16:56.36 | qwerty12 | I'm not happy because I wanted it to work. I even made sure scratchbox was cleaned out properly and I've been through 12 installs. I'm not that desperate to use hardy. |
| 16:57.03 | qwerty12 | Gutsy was better IMHO. I'm just gonna reformat my Ubuntu and reinstall 7.10. |
| 16:57.37 | RST38h | qwerty: weird |
| 16:57.51 | RST38h | sb2 appears to work with 8.04 for me |
| 16:58.05 | RST38h | have not found any issues so far |
| 16:58.25 | qwerty12 | RST38h, My install got interrupted so I take blame for that but I removed all sb2 and it never worked again. But with sbox1, I thought no problem. |
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| 17:00.31 | qwerty12 | This next install is gonna be make or break for me. if it works, great, if it doesn't, then I'm gonna grab OpenSuse. Never tried out SuSE before. |
| 17:01.12 | AStorm | I'll try a different approach in porting to 2.6.25 ;) |
| 17:01.26 | AStorm | apply incremental release patches on top of 2.6.21 |
| 17:01.59 | AStorm | but first, one try more at 2.6.25-omap1 |
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| 17:02.49 | qwerty12 | I'd just apply the Nokia Patch on 2.6.25. Forget linux-omap. TI can't release open source stuff for shit. |
| 17:02.59 | RST38h | qwerty: before you scratch and reinstall the whole thing, could you try something quickly? |
| 17:03.14 | qwerty12 | RST38h, my scratchbox is gone but my ubuntu is still there :) |
| 17:04.09 | RST38h | qwerty: Good. Run the package manager (from the menu), do "Show installed packages", sort by decreasing size (click on size column) and see if there are any remains of sb or sb2 |
| 17:04.26 | RST38h | If you see any, mark them for complete uninstall (right-button menu) |
| 17:05.00 | qwerty12 | Ok, I'm in synaptic now and I'm searching. |
| 17:05.17 | RST38h | if you sort by size, all that crap will be at the top |
| 17:05.24 | RST38h | those packages are BIG |
| 17:06.13 | qwerty12 | I checked, everything scratchbox related is gone. |
| 17:06.15 | qwerty12 | Thanks anyway. |
| 17:06.25 | RST38h | all right, now... |
| 17:06.40 | RST38h | Go to http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html and follow instructions exactly, down to the letter |
| 17:06.49 | RST38h | Obviously, you want to install from the "hardy" repository |
| 17:08.11 | qwerty12 | Ok, I'm going through it now. I need to wait for maemo-sdk to finish. |
| 17:09.13 | AStorm | qwerty12: *if* it applies |
| 17:09.17 | AStorm | it probably won't |
| 17:09.37 | AStorm | I think it'll be easier to apply 2.6.21->2.6.25 on top of it than the other way around |
| 17:09.48 | AStorm | git will be able to follow history too |
| 17:09.51 | qwerty12 | AStorm, true. I usually apply patches by hand but that's near impossible with that Nokia patch. |
| 17:10.00 | RST38h | will be back in a while |
| 17:10.05 | AStorm | or even, try to diff linux-omap 2.6.21 vs that Nokia |
| 17:10.12 | AStorm | then apply that on top of 2.6.25-omap1 |
| 17:13.06 | AStorm | this kernel I'm trying is w/o hrtimers and dynticks |
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| 17:18.58 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Thanks! SB2 works perfectly :) |
| 17:19.09 | qwerty12 | No idea what worked this time though :) |
| 17:19.14 | AStorm | hmm, no luck with 2.6.25-omap1 ;) |
| 17:19.17 | qwerty12 | Thanks for saving me from reformatting. |
| 17:19.46 | qwerty12 | AStorm, :(. That's a shame. I think your work with 2.6.25 has been great. Hopefully you shall get a working build :) |
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| 17:23.30 | AStorm | qwerty12: well, I see what's wrong |
| 17:23.35 | AStorm | lm8323 is required |
| 17:23.40 | AStorm | but I didn't build that in |
| 17:23.50 | AStorm | N810 support for some reason doesn't select that |
| 17:24.10 | qwerty12 | Ah. |
| 17:24.27 | qwerty12 | Is this a N810 only thing? |
| 17:24.27 | AStorm | still zilch |
| 17:24.34 | AStorm | it's the keyboard |
| 17:25.08 | AStorm | I'll see what Nokia patch does. |
| 17:25.20 | AStorm | (vs 2.6.21-omap1) |
| 17:26.50 | AStorm | then see what is different vs 2.6.25-omap1 |
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| 17:35.13 | AStorm | hmm, there are some touches of softlockup detector here and there |
| 17:35.19 | AStorm | minor MMC changes |
| 17:35.26 | AStorm | LZO support in JFFS2 |
| 17:37.31 | AStorm | shutdown support for mipid |
| 17:37.47 | AStorm | some major work on blizzard |
| 17:38.08 | AStorm | yes, different clock setup |
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| 17:41.39 | lcuk | whos done an update ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 and roughly how long should it take? |
| 17:41.55 | czr | lcuk, depends on your luck :-) |
| 17:42.01 | johnx | depends on how much you have installed and the bandwidth to your local mirror |
| 17:42.13 | czr | (but mainly on system speed and the amount of software you have installed already and internet connectivity. and luck) |
| 17:42.23 | johnx | took 2+ hours here with slowish downloads and lots and lots of packages to update. Downloaded and installed about 1GB |
| 17:42.51 | lcuk | its just taken 6 hours so far! reasonable network speed but crappy laptop |
| 17:43.06 | johnx | just sitting their chewing through package install? |
| 17:43.11 | lcuk | yer |
| 17:43.16 | johnx | what kind of laptop? |
| 17:43.23 | czr | crappy one? :-) |
| 17:43.23 | lcuk | p4 1.8 |
| 17:43.30 | czr | that's not too crappy. |
| 17:43.30 | johnx | ah |
| 17:43.45 | johnx | an early gen P4, yes? |
| 17:43.49 | AStorm | ok, fbmem sizes are different for some reason |
| 17:43.54 | lcuk | it is if im not sure cooling is working right - it could have overheated itself and clocked back |
| 17:43.56 | AStorm | that might be it |
| 17:43.59 | AStorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.59 | AStorm | - .size = 752 * 1024, |
| 17:43.59 | AStorm | + .size = 768 * 1024, |
| 17:43.59 | AStorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.03 | johnx | lcuk, likely |
| 17:44.04 | lcuk | p4m |
| 17:44.09 | johnx | mine does that all the time |
| 17:44.34 | johnx | it hits 95C and goes into emergency throttling, basically it seems like the CPU only does work for about half of every second when that happens |
| 17:44.35 | lcuk | yer i had some fan setting i could enable but forgot and didnt wanna touch it once i started updating |
| 17:45.00 | lcuk | yer - i saw the original p4 vs amd cooling video toms hardware did a while ago |
| 17:45.11 | lcdd | lack of memory and slow disk might delay the process more than cpu power |
| 17:45.16 | lcuk | tbh, it was one of intels best days |
| 17:45.24 | johnx | the P4? |
| 17:45.52 | johnx | gah...Intel should never have released that chip |
| 17:46.07 | lcuk | not the chip, the thermal handling |
| 17:46.16 | johnx | ah, well it really needed it |
| 17:46.24 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI |
| 17:46.24 | johnx | and the athlons got it later |
| 17:46.40 | lcuk | very impressive to see - it forced amd to incroporate thermal shutoff |
| 17:46.44 | johnx | but I do remember what happens to an early athlon if you rip off the heatsink while it's running |
| 17:47.40 | johnx | lcuk, try running acpi -t to see what your current CPU temp is |
| 17:47.43 | lcuk | music is from the best amiga game ever: project x |
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| 17:48.29 | lcuk | i will once its finished updating, whilst ive been chattin its gone to removing obsolete packages |
| 17:48.32 | AStorm | the major diff is N810 support, that is missing in linux-omap |
| 17:48.41 | NullM0dem | lotus |
| 17:48.42 | AStorm | I'll check that part vs newer kernel |
| 17:48.46 | johnx | lcuk, ah, never mind. it's almost done then |
| 17:48.48 | AStorm | which has it |
| 17:48.56 | lcuk | NullM0dem, ok they were good as well |
| 17:48.58 | RST38h | qwerty: apparently, instructions worked :) |
| 17:49.06 | johnx | I was only curious to see whether it was hitting thermal shutdown or just ungodly slow |
| 17:49.20 | NullM0dem | I have over 200 maiga games |
| 17:49.24 | NullM0dem | amiga |
| 17:49.46 | lcuk | i used to have lots as well, but sold them in local paper when my rig died |
| 17:49.49 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: Yep, thanks :). I think it didn't like sbox 1 being installed too. |
| 17:49.57 | NullM0dem | hrmmm amiga emualtor port for the n810???? |
| 17:50.03 | lcuk | its coming |
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| 17:50.30 | lcuk | see pupnik |
| 17:50.54 | NullM0dem | I did the same... my little brother found over 300 apps and all of the kick starts somehwere for me |
| 17:51.00 | lcuk | actually, amiga games, pinball dreams/illusions was good |
| 17:51.48 | NullM0dem | yep, way ahead of the time |
| 17:52.13 | lcuk | this n810 reminds me so much of my amiga :) |
| 17:52.58 | lcuk | im coding in c, i can do what i want, theres no wincrap in the way, and theres custom coprocessors available |
| 17:52.59 | NullM0dem | lol |
| 17:53.07 | NullM0dem | yep |
| 17:53.35 | lcuk | ..and the assembly looks right |
| 17:53.37 | NullM0dem | I canwait to get mine and start coding for it |
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| 17:54.02 | lcuk | right, tea just cooked, back later |
| 17:54.02 | *** topic/#maemo by Yesil -> http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2543/fatddhurek3iy3.jpg | http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2076/fatddhurek2qc1.jpg |
| 17:54.02 | hlathguth | http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2543/fatddhurek3iy3.jpg |
| 17:54.02 | hlathguth | http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2076/fatddhurek2qc1.jpg |
| 17:54.06 | NullM0dem | i have not touched assbmly since the c-128 / amiga 1200 |
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| 17:54.17 | qwerty12_N800 | spam? |
| 17:54.35 | johnx | ya' think? |
| 17:54.36 | johnx | :) |
| 17:54.40 | qwerty12_N800 | yep porn >.< |
| 17:54.57 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, i had a no shit sherlock moment :p |
| 17:55.15 | NullM0dem | I thought it was a n810 video skype screenie :-P |
| 17:55.47 | *** topic/#maemo by Atarii -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 17:55.47 | lcuk | its kinda a lame crossover between bart eat my shorts moment and attempting to do goatse |
| 17:56.08 | lcuk | how many people have op privs? |
| 17:56.15 | Atarii | ops set topic is off |
| 17:56.20 | qwerty12_N800 | sigh, the amount of goatse's I brought up in school... |
| 17:56.30 | lcuk | right back later |
| 17:56.45 | NullM0dem | ha!1 later!!! |
| 17:58.17 | johnx | sleeps |
| 17:58.56 | qwerty12_N800 | sb2 is great and I love it but I kinda like the seperation of host in sb1, I'm gonna install sb1 as well and wait till it fails and extract sb from scratchbox image. Nautillus has merge feature now :) |
| 17:59.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Nite johnx |
| 17:59.09 | johnx | 'night |
| 17:59.47 | NullM0dem | lcuk: I miss that era, OSS has brought it back in alot of ways. I stopped coding in the middle of high school and did not buy a PC until 2000. Was soo dissapointed in MS crap, and the amount of money you had to pay to do anything with it |
| 17:59.51 | qwerty12_N800 | s/scratchbox/vmware |
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| 18:13.09 | lcuk | NullM0dem :) i agree. however i didnt stop coding i just took methadone and used vb for a few years |
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| 18:35.53 | flavioribeiro | hi everyone, i dont know exactly what i did, but when i try to execute the start script, bash says 'not found'. |
| 18:35.53 | flavioribeiro | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start |
| 18:35.54 | flavioribeiro | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found |
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| 18:52.21 | lcuk | flavioribeiro, do you wanna try opening a default console and using find or locate to see where the actual scripts are |
| 18:52.40 | flavioribeiro | ok, let me do this |
| 18:53.05 | flavioribeiro | [flavio@taz ~]$ locate af-sb-init.sh |
| 18:53.16 | flavioribeiro | scratchbox/users/flavio/targets/CHINOOK_X86/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh |
| 18:53.18 | flavioribeiro | hehehe |
| 18:54.08 | RST38h | does it run? |
| 18:54.21 | flavioribeiro | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /scratchbox/users/flavio/targets/CHINOOK_X86/usr/bin] > ./af-sb-init.sh start |
| 18:54.21 | flavioribeiro | ./af-sb-init.sh: Error, /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh does not exist or is not readable |
| 18:54.35 | lcuk | ive got 1 script per target but i only ever run it from within the scratchbox console - i never have to specify path |
| 18:55.29 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: same here |
| 18:56.10 | qwerty12_N800 | flavioribeiro: Why are you in armel target and running x86 script? |
| 18:56.12 | lcuk | flavioribeiro, is there a possibility you have run sb-menu and disabled a target |
| 18:56.22 | flavioribeiro | everything was ok, i dont know what i may changed in sb-menu.. |
| 18:56.33 | lcuk | were you in there though? |
| 18:57.06 | qwerty12_N800 | flavioribeiro: did you install maemo-explicit? |
| 18:57.44 | flavioribeiro | not that i remember.. |
| 18:58.07 | qwerty12_N800 | try installing that ;) |
| 18:59.00 | lcuk | flavioribeiro, before trying anything drastic, have you attempted the windows approach: rebooting |
| 18:59.39 | qwerty12_N800 | maemo-explicit is needed, even the installing script tells u to install it. |
| 19:00.25 | flavioribeiro | i think that i made 'killall' in sb-menu and 'reset' armel target |
| 19:00.47 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, but it was running before |
| 19:01.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: ahh, that is odd :/ |
| 19:01.39 | lcuk | or at least i think so - flavioribeiro it was working earlier wasnt it |
| 19:01.51 | lcuk | or at least not giving this script missing error |
| 19:01.53 | flavioribeiro | yes, everything was fine |
| 19:02.10 | flavioribeiro | i made some crazy modifications by my own in sb-menu |
| 19:02.17 | flavioribeiro | and now i cant run this script |
| 19:02.51 | qwerty12_N800 | See if you can extract script manually from rootstrap in ~ |
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| 19:03.26 | lcuk | if you have reset the target don't you have to re-put it in ? |
| 19:04.16 | flavioribeiro | lcuk, in 'Select' sb-menu? i tried so |
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| 19:05.47 | lcuk | select just selects from one of the existing instances |
| 19:06.03 | lcuk | if you reset a target it cleans out the full lot allowing you to recreate properly |
| 19:06.09 | lcuk | you need the toolchain for it i believe |
| 19:06.13 | lcuk | (i might be wrong) |
| 19:06.35 | lcuk | so if you selected a "reset" target there are no files there to compile with |
| 19:06.48 | flavioribeiro | yes |
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| 19:07.31 | lcuk | as for where and how to actually get the files i really have no idea - ive never even installed scratchbox myself - i use the vmware one still |
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| 19:08.12 | flavioribeiro | hm |
| 19:08.28 | flavioribeiro | i think i will install in vmware |
| 19:08.34 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:09.13 | lcuk | qwerty111_N800, have you ever reset a target? how do you rebuild its toolchain |
| 19:09.58 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk: never. I've always reinstalled :/ |
| 19:10.55 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 19:11.46 | qwerty111_N800 | Because of my hardy probs, I'm about to try the oddest install method :/ |
| 19:12.18 | lcuk | viagra help much? |
| 19:12.46 | qwerty111_N800 | lmao, Ubuntu hardy :D |
| 19:13.10 | lcuk | you get a stiffy from linux? |
| 19:14.02 | qwerty111_N800 | sometimes... I installed special usb modules so my computer hosts and is a "client" |
| 19:14.20 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:14.29 | flavioribeiro | downloading maemo-sdk-vm-2 by torrent hehe :] |
| 19:14.34 | lcuk | flavioribeiro, is all this your first experience with scratchbox |
| 19:15.21 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk: I think me and hardy are gonna split. me and gutsy got on great. I could use her for hours. |
| 19:16.18 | towo | raises an eyebrow |
| 19:16.40 | lcuk | well i will find out sometime in the next couple of weeks whether i will keep 8.4, its on laptop now but if i have probs ill rollback to windows and vmware.. |
| 19:16.57 | qwerty111_N800 | towo: Nah, I never went that far with gutsy |
| 19:17.16 | lcuk | towo, make sure that eyebrow doesn't attract qwerty111_N800's attention, hes like a dog on heat at the moment |
| 19:17.40 | qwerty111_N800 | I never liked vmware, integration was odd with my host. |
| 19:17.56 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk: it was your viagra talk :p |
| 19:18.02 | towo | lcuk: You may call me Quietly Confident. |
| 19:18.06 | lcuk | yer but you kept it up |
| 19:18.24 | qwerty111_N800 | fair enough. but you liked u |
| 19:18.32 | qwerty111_N800 | it ;) :p |
| 19:18.32 | lcuk | time constraints, ive got 2 weeks before i go on holiday - when i get back ive gotta have a working machine for linuxtag |
| 19:19.17 | lcuk | actually, i think it would be wise to NOT have windows at all near my machine at linuxtag - even if i just boot from it - i'd get mobbed |
| 19:19.31 | qwerty111_N800 | boooooo |
| 19:20.17 | qwerty111_N800 | for weirdness, use vmware in linux to run linux :p |
| 19:20.48 | lcuk | nahhh, ill just get this working |
| 19:21.07 | lcuk | i am a jedi. i can build my own machine |
| 19:21.25 | lcuk | (i have my jedi robe from fancy dress party earlier in the year) |
| 19:21.34 | lcuk | (also home made) |
| 19:21.34 | qwerty111_N800 | good choice. I need to fire up vmware to jack the scratchbox from it |
| 19:21.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 19:21.51 | lcuk | morning jaffa |
| 19:21.58 | qwerty111_N800 | now it's my turn to raise eyebrows |
| 19:21.59 | lcuk | looks at the clock |
| 19:22.04 | qwerty111_N800 | Jaffa: morning? |
| 19:22.18 | Jaffa | Well, somewhere it is. |
| 19:22.18 | qwerty111_N800 | evening Jaffa ;) :) |
| 19:22.50 | lcuk | jaffa, would you mind if i called you a pillock :P |
| 19:23.06 | Jaffa | Not at all, nicest thing someone'll've said to me all day ;-) |
| 19:23.25 | lcuk | especially since you only just got up :P |
| 19:23.58 | Jaffa | Nah, just wish I had. Grandparent's diamond wedding anniversary surprise meal last night. Still feeling a little hungover after a mammoth drive around the country |
| 19:24.33 | qwerty111_N800 | Any good disassemblers here? Garnet's gonna need cracking soon :p |
| 19:25.38 | Jaffa | Oh, FFS. |
| 19:25.44 | lcuk | navi, good job it wasnt "SecretIdentity" |
| 19:25.51 | Jaffa | FF3 is blocked from NatWest's online banking. |
| 19:25.59 | lcuk | cos its beta |
| 19:26.08 | lcuk | and not a known browser |
| 19:26.19 | qwerty111_N800 | agent spoof muhahaha |
| 19:26.21 | Jaffa | No, cos they're crap and do prohibitive browser detection. |
| 19:26.31 | Jaffa | Also a pain when trying to do online banking from N810 :-/ |
| 19:26.32 | lcuk | use proper legit secure tested browser : internet explorer is the way to go |
| 19:26.40 | Jaffa | Bleugh ;) |
| 19:26.52 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk 0_0 |
| 19:27.34 | lcuk | what, come on im only voicing what everyone thought when jaffa said that. we know Microsoft technology is unbreakable. |
| 19:27.52 | lcuk | ;) |
| 19:28.20 | qwerty111_N800 | I hope, for your own safety, you don't voice that at linuxtag. |
| 19:28.24 | qwerty111_N800 | :p |
| 19:28.31 | lcuk | (Score +5: flamebait) |
| 19:29.23 | lcuk | arent paypal gonna do something similar as well soon |
| 19:29.41 | Jaffa | They've denied it |
| 19:30.29 | qwerty111_N800 | i'd just agent spoof, if my money transfer to 99p stores fails for my chains, that's life. |
| 19:32.06 | lcuk | but you will be gutted if your chemist order for p1llz is blocked |
| 19:32.23 | qwerty111_N800 | Don't need them ;) |
| 19:32.44 | lcuk | :D you must be like me then - buy in bulk |
| 19:33.33 | qwerty111_N800 | lol, I think out of date ones work the best... |
| 19:34.22 | lcuk | bleugh - that reminds me of the nite i spent drinking out of date bud and using a soda stream to make everything fizzy |
| 19:34.34 | lcuk | fizzy milk!!!! |
| 19:34.39 | qwerty111_N800 | eew |
| 19:35.04 | lcuk | vodka is odd fizzy |
| 19:35.08 | qwerty111_N800 | I once put tabasco sauce into coke, knocked me back |
| 19:36.32 | lcuk | yoiu need to offer that to mates |
| 19:36.35 | qwerty111_N800 | I think we used to have a sodastream in my times up north. |
| 19:37.15 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk: Best time is when my mate gave another mate a shaken coke can |
| 19:37.44 | lcuk | get a set of shotglasses, each with normal coke and just one extra version - russian ruellette |
| 19:38.16 | qwerty111_N800 | nice |
| 19:38.18 | lcuk | a shaken can is worst? jeeez you are just highlighting that you're a southern jessie |
| 19:38.32 | lcuk | :P |
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| 19:39.15 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk: dirty south come merk the north, manchester = wussies. london = g's |
| 19:39.17 | qwerty111_N800 | :p |
| 19:39.50 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty111_N800: you're on your N800 right now? |
| 19:39.51 | qwerty111_N800 | Funny thing, I'm betraying myself saying that :p |
| 19:40.01 | qwerty111_N800 | WorkingOnWise: Yes |
| 19:40.14 | WorkingOnWise | what r u using for an irc client? |
| 19:40.20 | qwerty111_N800 | Xchat |
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| 19:40.39 | WorkingOnWise | didnt know it was available for the N800 |
| 19:40.57 | WorkingOnWise | do you like it better than pidgin on the n800 for irc? |
| 19:41.03 | qwerty111_N800 | I built weechat, irssi and bitchx tho and pidgin and rtcomm beta do irc too |
| 19:41.14 | qwerty111_N800 | WorkingOnWise: fo sure :p |
| 19:41.42 | lcuk | qwerty111_N800, have you tried actual ondevice compiling? |
| 19:41.58 | WorkingOnWise | I must try it. pidgin takes too much screen realestate |
| 19:42.22 | qwerty111_N800 | lcuk: nope. I don't have the space and my n800 is allergic to mmc boot :/ |
| 19:42.40 | qwerty111_N800 | I think I damaged my sd slots a bit. |
| 19:43.15 | lcuk | oooer |
| 19:43.18 | qwerty111_N800 | Sustained writes to the mem cards (3mb over gnutella) = i/o error |
| 19:43.38 | qwerty111_N800 | It's why I went earlier, my n800 rebooted. |
| 19:43.43 | WorkingOnWise | is there a way to hack the cam and install a better one, and keep the nifty pop-out? |
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| 19:45.27 | qwerty111_N800 | I want to build aleph one but after specifying --no-opengl, it complains with a million gl references :/ |
| 19:45.32 | plb | hm how exactly do you use gps on the n810? I just picked up a use one but not sure how to really use it |
| 19:45.43 | plb | I'm trying to do it in maemo mapper |
| 19:46.04 | qwerty111_N800 | I think choose bluetooth with no address. |
| 19:46.17 | qwerty111_N800 | Beware of long gps lock time. |
| 19:46.44 | plb | ah thanks |
| 19:46.50 | plb | it's doing something now lol |
| 19:46.56 | plb | establishing gps fix |
| 19:47.19 | qwerty111_N800 | Estimated time = 1 hour :p |
| 19:47.24 | plb | lol |
| 19:47.27 | plb | is it really? |
| 19:47.31 | lcuk | Please wait whilst we build a rocket, insert gps sat, enter orbit, construct base station, upload sync, write software |
| 19:47.38 | plb | Paid $180 for an n810 =) |
| 19:47.45 | lcuk | nice |
| 19:47.49 | plb | indeed |
| 19:47.52 | qwerty111_N800 | plb, give or take half-hour :p |
| 19:47.57 | plb | lol |
| 19:48.01 | qwerty111_N800 | Nice :) |
| 19:48.06 | plb | So what are some good applications to use with it |
| 19:48.19 | lcuk | numptyphysics |
| 19:48.25 | plb | what's that? |
| 19:48.44 | lcuk | doodlging game |
| 19:48.47 | lcuk | time wasting |
| 19:48.53 | plb | oh ya n810 + 2gb memory card rather ;] |
| 19:49.03 | plb | ah |
| 19:49.10 | lcuk | even bigger bonus |
| 19:49.14 | qwerty111_N800 | Evince, gtk-gnutella, transmission, personal menu, xournal |
| 19:49.24 | lcuk | have you got any other nokia tablets |
| 19:49.30 | plb | nope |
| 19:49.34 | qwerty111_N800 | mplayer, |
| 19:49.39 | qwerty111_N800 | quake 2 |
| 19:50.04 | plb | hm irc client? |
| 19:50.09 | lcuk | xchat |
| 19:50.10 | qwerty111_N800 | xchat |
| 19:50.14 | plb | nice |
| 19:50.26 | lcuk | are you a linux user? |
| 19:50.29 | plb | yep |
| 19:50.32 | plb | since 1999 ;] |
| 19:50.39 | qwerty111_N800 | Or if console is your thing, bitchx, weechat or irssi. |
| 19:50.42 | lcuk | then you will enjoy hacking about and getting other things working as well |
| 19:50.58 | plb | mm irssi ;] |
| 19:51.02 | plb | my personal fav |
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| 19:51.50 | qwerty111_N800 | Quite a few builds. There is latest user release available or the svn one I built. |
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| 19:53.11 | plb | is there a decent app for youtube videos? my gf enjoys watching em ;] |
| 19:53.21 | qwerty111_N800 | mytube & canola |
| 19:53.28 | qwerty111_N800 | /or |
| 19:53.33 | WorkingOnWise | pib - where did you get your N810? any more? For that price I'd buy it and see if I can swap displays to my N800 |
| 19:53.48 | plb | I got it off someone on craigslist |
| 19:53.53 | qwerty111_N800 | WorkingOnWise: Different connectors. |
| 19:54.31 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty111_N800: is it a plastic/foil cable, or actual wires? |
| 19:55.13 | plb | strange there is no clock in the panel by default |
| 19:55.22 | qwerty111_N800 | I think the actual connector is different + extra wire. I think igor on itt posted pics. |
| 19:55.50 | qwerty111_N800 | plb: For my w810 and n800, I had to install stuff :/ |
| 19:56.25 | plb | Yeah, I'm looking at maemo.org for stuff to install |
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| 19:56.32 | plb | while gps is loading lol |
| 19:57.00 | WorkingOnWise | qwerty111_N800: I'll look for it again. The n800 would be the perfect hardware if it had the transflective display |
| 19:57.27 | qwerty111_N800 | I don't know if it's on there but you wan't [large] statusbar clock by fiferboy. |
| 19:57.40 | qwerty111_N800 | WorkingOnWise: True :) + keyboard. |
| 19:57.55 | qwerty111_N800 | I need to get usb keyboard. |
| 19:58.23 | plb | i like the keyboard on the n810 |
| 19:58.27 | plb | works good |
| 19:58.54 | WorkingOnWise | I dont type any faster with a keyboard than with the onscreen one. :D |
| 19:58.58 | qwerty111_N800 | I can chvt to 1 and see the getty login screen but without kbbd, I can't go far :/ |
| 19:59.12 | qwerty111_N800 | WorkingOnWise: My wrists hurt lol |
| 19:59.19 | WorkingOnWise | lol |
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| 19:59.51 | WorkingOnWise | has there been any word on a2dp working out of the box with the next update? |
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| 20:01.04 | qwerty111_N800 | I don't think it will :/ . lardman|gone was looking for a few devs for help with sbc on dsp |
| 20:02.43 | WorkingOnWise | grrr....I dond understand why my lowly 6555 phone does it with perfect clearity, but my hotrod N800 can only do it marginally, in some apps, with garbage sound quality..... |
| 20:02.51 | WorkingOnWise | dont=dont |
| 20:03.12 | WorkingOnWise | lol..dond=dont...see my great typing skills! |
| 20:04.08 | qwerty111_N800 | Yeah :(, I don't understand, bluez is oss but I think dsp may be closed. |
| 20:04.31 | qwerty111_N800 | I'm enjoying better wifi signal today. |
| 20:05.08 | WorkingOnWise | are there any really really small gps recievers that work with the N800? |
| 20:05.20 | lopz | qwerty111_N800, you nick is qwerty12 in forum ITT ? |
| 20:05.34 | qwerty111_N800 | lopz: yes |
| 20:05.42 | WorkingOnWise | I want to put one in the dead space near the pen inside the n800 |
| 20:06.22 | qwerty111_N800 | Woah, they get that small? :/ |
| 20:06.24 | lopz | qwerty111_N800, use rp-pppoe for conexion ? |
| 20:06.37 | WorkingOnWise | I'm hoping so |
| 20:06.58 | WorkingOnWise | I know that usb bluetooth adapters are |
| 20:07.08 | qwerty111_N800 | lopz: nope. I just compiled incase someone wanted it. |
| 20:07.39 | qwerty111_N800 | WorkingOnWise: But wouldn't gps have gps chip and the bt chips too? |
| 20:08.16 | qwerty111_N800 | The "keychain" gps I saw on itt, wasn't exactly minuscule... |
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| 20:08.44 | WorkingOnWise | it would, unless it's a usb. I would hardwire it into the n800 |
| 20:08.50 | WorkingOnWise | internally |
| 20:10.15 | qwerty111_N800 | ic. Probably get better performance than the n810 :p |
| 20:10.43 | qwerty111_N800 | Although according to Mara, Diablo improves n810 gps. |
| 20:11.15 | lopz | qwerty111_N800, i use rp-pppoe, I could compile it for me? which is in the forum said: inconsistent application: ( |
| 20:13.01 | plb | gps is still establishing fix... |
| 20:13.04 | plb | =\ |
| 20:13.09 | plb | slowwwwwww |
| 20:13.19 | qwerty111_N800 | lopz: I'm sorry, I don't really understand :/ . I compiled one and posted the deb in itt but I never tested it. |
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| 20:16.44 | lopz | qwerty111_N800, as I pack for use in my N800 and that is compatible? :\ |
| 20:17.06 | lopz | I need to use :P |
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| 20:18.23 | qwerty111_N800 | In theory, it should install. If some files are missing however, you may need to grab from source. |
| 20:18.47 | qwerty111_N800 | Best thing is to try it. |
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| 20:19.02 | qwerty111_N800 | It's the only one there :p |
| 20:22.47 | lopz | qwerty111_N800, hehe, I was not a pack. deb: S packed lunches for the N800? I want to learn |
| 20:25.29 | qwerty111_N800 | oh you want to make debs? easiest way is with pypackager. But I use dh-make in sbox. I'm also bad at it. |
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| 20:33.23 | plb | where can I get xchat or irssi from? |
| 20:33.53 | qwerty111_N800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19407 |
| 20:34.05 | qwerty111_N800 | google xchat chinook |
| 20:34.07 | plb | thanks |
| 20:36.05 | lopz | qwerty111_N800, but it is possible to connect with rp-pppoe from N800? : S |
| 20:36.06 | lopz | or can only be a wifi |
| 20:36.26 | KotCzarny | plb: check if you have old version of gpsd |
| 20:36.35 | KotCzarny | if it has -23 then it's old and bugged |
| 20:36.44 | adam_ | is there any documentation about putting python on the n800? |
| 20:36.55 | KotCzarny | adam_: just install canola2 |
| 20:37.00 | KotCzarny | it will suck python as deps |
| 20:37.01 | adam_ | nice |
| 20:37.24 | qwerty111_N800 | lopz: I have no idea! :p. If you get usb host, it *may* work. |
| 20:37.28 | KotCzarny | (or any other app that uses python) |
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| 20:37.50 | qwerty111_N800 | KotCzarny: hi |
| 20:37.51 | adam_ | any good apps for editing python script for maemo? |
| 20:37.58 | KotCzarny | hi, hi |
| 20:38.02 | adam_ | like idle... |
| 20:39.03 | Cptnodegard | is back from Superhero Movie. it was....speshul |
| 20:39.06 | adam_ | really just anything that has syntax highlighting |
| 20:39.15 | KotCzarny | mc, hehe |
| 20:39.23 | KotCzarny | but i think you should try pygtkedit |
| 20:39.26 | KotCzarny | or something |
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| 20:47.06 | plb | KotCzarny: gpsd? |
| 20:47.24 | qwerty12_N800 | gps dawg |
| 20:47.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, name may be a little different |
| 20:47.28 | plb | heh |
| 20:47.48 | plb | I just flashed os2008 on it so whatever it came with... |
| 20:47.54 | KotCzarny | osso-gpsd |
| 20:48.26 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't think there was an update except that fluke leap year patch? |
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| 20:48.56 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: according to itt thread stock 810 come with -23 version (old, bugged) |
| 20:49.03 | KotCzarny | and -25 is in the official repos |
| 20:49.15 | qwerty12_N800 | ahh, ic |
| 20:49.23 | plb | hm I don't see it anywhere...osso-gpsd |
| 20:49.40 | qwerty12_N800 | You have to be in red-pill |
| 20:50.15 | plb | huh? |
| 20:50.56 | KotCzarny | then just ignore my comment for a few week |
| 20:50.57 | KotCzarny | s |
| 20:50.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:51.18 | KotCzarny | until you have fun with device and decide to go adventurous with it :) |
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| 20:52.04 | plb | I'm all for being adventous but I dunno what you're talking about lol |
| 20:52.41 | KotCzarny | google, google :) |
| 20:52.42 | qwerty12_N800 | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.org%2Fcommunity%2Fwiki%2Fapplicationmanagerredpillmode%2F&ei=jecUSOfrBKKEwAH8xfBh&usg=AFQjCNEtMG0THc60ujjIw1Brc3NwCwi1kg&sig2=hYeI7naXwzhZtiEWRc_T0w |
| 20:52.54 | KotCzarny | qwerty12 .. |
| 20:52.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:53.23 | qwerty12_N800 | I really need to get google link tracking removal script >.< |
| 20:53.45 | plb | I'm just trying to set this thing up with everything useful I can think of ;] |
| 20:55.31 | plb | Canola any good? |
| 20:55.40 | KotCzarny | yup, candylike |
| 20:56.38 | AStorm | dammit |
| 20:56.52 | AStorm | even linux-omap guys are saying N810 isn't yet supported ;P |
| 20:57.38 | qwerty12_N800 | n800 ftw :p. Nokia patch seems way to go :/ |
| 20:58.27 | AStorm | no, I don't want that one |
| 20:58.30 | AStorm | it ties hands |
| 20:58.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Hell, I may try myself. I may spend a looot of time applying patch by hand to .25 |
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| 21:01.36 | qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone know if latest Chrony lets you use ntp servers by name? I'm looking at version that needs ip address, if latest can use website address, I'll compile that. |
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| 21:02.04 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 21:02.10 | KotCzarny | seems like a oneliner patch |
| 21:02.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:02.14 | plb | hm there should be an option for canola most viewed for today/week/all time |
| 21:02.20 | plb | unless I'm missing it somewhere? |
| 21:02.22 | plb | for youtube |
| 21:02.35 | KotCzarny | plb: canola specific questions should go to #canola i think |
| 21:02.54 | KotCzarny | they live on brazilian time though |
| 21:03.06 | plb | ah didn't know they had a channel |
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| 21:06.40 | KotCzarny | heh, something for pupnik, and maybe other geeks too: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3009 |
| 21:06.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 21:12.01 | qwerty12_N800 | tries out chrony on my n800. I see newer builds are available so i'll probably end up compiling after I fix sbox. |
| 21:12.49 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: can't you just use ntpdate? |
| 21:13.37 | qwerty12_N800 | I currently use rdate but I like the idea of a daemon for the times I forget. |
| 21:15.07 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 21:15.09 | KotCzarny | cron |
| 21:16.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Not a bad idea but I don't think my cron works, it never calls updatdb even though it's set to. |
| 21:18.20 | KotCzarny | maybe path is wrong? |
| 21:18.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:18.44 | qwerty12_N800 | You need absolute path in crontab? :) |
| 21:18.49 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:19.39 | qwerty12_N800 | >.<. Like sudoers, then. I remember the time I messed it up... |
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| 21:22.25 | KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2974 |
| 21:22.26 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:22.54 | qwerty12_N800 | I saw that on digg lol |
| 21:25.00 | AStorm | free lulz, yeah! |
| 21:26.41 | KotCzarny | if qwerty12 had/modded a car: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2956 |
| 21:26.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:27.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 21:29.12 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, is omweather upd8 out for anyone else? |
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| 21:32.00 | adam_ | is there a default user pass. for the terminal? |
| 21:32.06 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:32.27 | adam_ | so why does sudo ask for a password? |
| 21:32.44 | KotCzarny | maybe you try to do something not allowed |
| 21:32.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:33.08 | adam_ | im trying to apt get python2.5 |
| 21:33.11 | qwerty12_N800 | sudo apt-get install xxx |
| 21:33.23 | qwerty12_N800 | sudo: enter card no |
| 21:33.24 | KotCzarny | heh, have you tried my hint? |
| 21:33.52 | KotCzarny | qwert12: lol, sudo paid with credit card? |
| 21:34.09 | KotCzarny | now that's somthing very possible in the future ;) |
| 21:34.20 | qwerty12_N800 | if only... :p |
| 21:35.02 | qwerty12_N800 | adam_: install easyroot or becomeroot and do sudo gainroot |
| 21:37.15 | KotCzarny | for people who share comp with family: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2925 |
| 21:37.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:39.03 | plb | hm vagalume is <3 |
| 21:39.12 | plb | should be in the repos |
| 21:39.46 | qwerty12_N800 | you can also use last.fm via canola plug-in |
| 21:42.17 | plb | ya but I don't like how canola has to be full screen |
| 21:42.26 | plb | hates fullscreen |
| 21:42.33 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 21:42.40 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly most of the apps go (nearly)fullscreen on maemo |
| 21:42.45 | KotCzarny | you can try xmms |
| 21:42.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:43.01 | plb | lol |
| 21:43.43 | plb | xmms is the turd that wouldn't flush lol |
| 21:43.48 | plb | thing will never die |
| 21:43.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:44.02 | AStorm | damnit |
| 21:44.05 | plb | I liked it years ago |
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| 21:44.07 | KotCzarny | yeah, but at least does what i want it to |
| 21:44.09 | AStorm | I need to get debug out of the device |
| 21:44.11 | plb | but now...meh |
| 21:44.23 | AStorm | but I don't have serial port here or soldered to the board |
| 21:44.26 | AStorm | any solution? |
| 21:44.40 | KotCzarny | writing to mmc ? |
| 21:44.42 | AStorm | netconsole doesn't work on gadget USB it seems |
| 21:44.48 | KotCzarny | and recovering via usb ? |
| 21:44.58 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hmm, it doesn't boot that far I think |
| 21:45.16 | KotCzarny | can't you printk to block device? |
| 21:45.18 | KotCzarny | or something? |
| 21:45.21 | AStorm | maybe I can |
| 21:45.29 | AStorm | but do I have any to print to? ; |
| 21:45.39 | KotCzarny | mmcblock0/1 ? |
| 21:45.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:45.46 | AStorm | yeah sure |
| 21:45.52 | AStorm | and overwrite everything? |
| 21:46.07 | KotCzarny | you haven't received free 128mb card? |
| 21:46.12 | KotCzarny | with the device |
| 21:46.36 | AStorm | ... |
| 21:46.37 | AStorm | N810 |
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| 21:46.45 | AStorm | but, I do have a spare card, wait |
| 21:46.52 | AStorm | in a while |
| 21:46.52 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, is repo.maemo.org down? |
| 21:47.04 | AStorm | KotCzarny: what's that option called btw? |
| 21:47.06 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: i have mirrored whole repository |
| 21:47.06 | plb | n810 is so much better than the ipod touch which is what I sold to get the money for the n810 ;] |
| 21:47.16 | KotCzarny | astorm: just guessing, never tried |
| 21:47.20 | plb | can't do shit on the ipod touch |
| 21:47.33 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: Good plan |
| 21:47.36 | KotCzarny | plb: well, you can shit on ipod touch |
| 21:47.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.42 | plb | lol |
| 21:47.49 | plb | well it's good for web browsing I guess |
| 21:47.53 | plb | and youtube |
| 21:47.57 | KotCzarny | at 320x240 ? |
| 21:48.01 | plb | youtube player is pretty good |
| 21:48.02 | KotCzarny | you are kidding |
| 21:48.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:48.28 | plb | movement is fluid too |
| 21:48.28 | KotCzarny | even 800x480 seems cramped |
| 21:48.41 | plb | everything is just so restrictive on it |
| 21:48.54 | plb | like everything apple i spose though heh |
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| 21:49.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:49.50 | AStorm | KotCzarny: ttyMTD<whichnumber>? |
| 21:50.11 | AStorm | ah, wait |
| 21:50.18 | AStorm | MMC is not MTD, is it? |
| 21:50.37 | qwerty12_N800 | nope |
| 21:50.45 | KotCzarny | is there an emulation driver ? |
| 21:51.27 | qwerty12_N800 | be careful with mtd, one guy killed bootloader writing to /dev/mtd<something> by accident. |
| 21:52.03 | KotCzarny | heh, not fun |
| 21:52.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:52.27 | plb | hm where can I find a clock for the panel? |
| 21:52.45 | qwerty12_N800 | bye |
| 21:53.02 | KotCzarny | plb: look for statusbar clock applet |
| 21:53.04 | KotCzarny | i love it |
| 21:53.06 | KotCzarny | bye qwerty |
| 21:53.11 | plb | thanks |
| 21:53.25 | qwerty12_N800 | (if I disconnect suddenly, my sis might off router) |
| 21:53.27 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
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| 21:53.42 | plb | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ |
| 21:53.42 | plb | ? |
| 21:53.44 | plb | that |
| 21:53.51 | plb | it will work with os2008? |
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| 21:55.00 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: I can reflash the bootloader from original image I think |
| 21:55.44 | AStorm | but I wouldn't be able to get at the data |
| 21:55.53 | AStorm | I could probably write to initfs partition safely |
| 21:56.12 | AStorm | and tack some light initfs to a working kernel |
| 21:56.17 | AStorm | to recover the data |
| 21:56.34 | AStorm | that was MTD4, right? |
| 21:59.21 | KotCzarny | mtd4 is rootfs, isn't it? |
| 21:59.43 | plb | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014&highlight=statusbar+clock&page=47 |
| 21:59.48 | KotCzarny | mtd1 - nolo, mtd2 - kernel, mtd3 - initfs |
| 21:59.53 | plb | which clocks are they using in those screenshots? anyone know |
| 21:59.59 | AStorm | ahha, ok |
| 22:00.09 | plb | is that the statusbar clock applet? |
| 22:00.12 | AStorm | now, that would be a nasty booboo ;) |
| 22:00.20 | AStorm | *would've been |
| 22:00.24 | KotCzarny | plb: yes |
| 22:00.49 | plb | it says it's for os2007 though...it will work with 08? |
| 22:01.06 | AStorm | plb: there is a version for OS2008 |
| 22:01.11 | AStorm | in garage |
| 22:01.14 | plb | ah |
| 22:01.29 | AStorm | works nicely |
| 22:01.39 | KotCzarny | essential for me |
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| 22:02.28 | AStorm | yep, although I'd like a fullscreen clock screensaver |
| 22:02.42 | KotCzarny | no you don't |
| 22:02.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:02.57 | AStorm | high contrast, very low screen brightness |
| 22:03.02 | AStorm | as in =0 |
| 22:03.12 | AStorm | white on black |
| 22:04.20 | AStorm | ok, it seems that ttyMTD3 write worked, let's read it |
| 22:06.28 | KotCzarny | i can give you ncurses based clock, so you can run it in some *term :) |
| 22:08.26 | AStorm | I wanted a screensaver ;) |
| 22:08.34 | AStorm | not a runnable clock |
| 22:08.42 | AStorm | there is one like that already ;) |
| 22:09.26 | AStorm | damnit, have to add a script to display that ttyMTD ;P |
| 22:09.42 | plb | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbarclock/ |
| 22:09.50 | plb | this is the one for os2008 you guys are talking about? |
| 22:10.09 | AStorm | yes |
| 22:10.35 | plb | hm seems to only disply the minutes and AM/PM |
| 22:10.42 | plb | not the hour |
| 22:11.01 | KotCzarny | look into the configuration |
| 22:11.12 | KotCzarny | and disable some applets |
| 22:11.14 | plb | ah nm |
| 22:11.14 | plb | ya |
| 22:11.15 | AStorm | plb: indeed, check Panel config |
| 22:11.16 | plb | found it lol |
| 22:14.24 | plb | ah that's better |
| 22:15.06 | plb | bomberman heh I used to play that ...;] how's the maemo port? |
| 22:18.11 | AStorm | damnit |
| 22:18.22 | AStorm | that mtd support hasn't written anything |
| 22:20.43 | AStorm | damnIT ;) |
| 22:20.48 | AStorm | ok, time for plan B |
| 22:21.28 | AStorm | or even |
| 22:21.31 | AStorm | damNIT |
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| 22:31.42 | AStorm | lets see how well will git cope with that merge ;) |
| 22:33.38 | AStorm | not that badly |
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| 22:34.14 | AStorm | although it's still 152 files to check |
| 22:36.49 | AStorm | mhm, it's supposed to be vs 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 |
| 22:36.51 | AStorm | the patch |
| 22:37.46 | plb | numptyphysics is indeed awesome ;] |
| 22:39.37 | AStorm | I mean, the patch should be 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 with some major hack |
| 22:39.44 | AStorm | 2.6.21-rc3-omap1 duh |
| 22:43.43 | AStorm | I'll better do step-by-step merge instead of 2.6.25 in one go ;P |
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| 22:49.08 | AStorm | argh |
| 22:49.14 | AStorm | I sense porting to clockevents |
| 22:49.33 | KotCzarny | at least dynticks is in .21 already :) |
| 22:50.04 | AStorm | but not clockevents, and that's a fairly major port |
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| 22:51.03 | KotCzarny | btw. have you managed to run that p54 driver? |
| 22:51.48 | AStorm | no, it is impossible, there is an unfinished devel patch |
| 22:52.51 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 22:52.53 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 22:53.36 | AStorm | well, omap1 clockevent port was very easy, so I hope omap2 will be similarly easy to port :> |
| 22:59.19 | AStorm | so far, the rejects vs 2.6.22 are trivial |
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| 23:01.39 | lcuk2 | hmm |
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| 23:10.09 | AStorm | yes, apart from (fairly trivial) clockevents port, there isn't much to fix |
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| 23:18.46 | kkrusty | I just searched the backlogs for "kismet". Apparently theres at least one request per day for kismet for 2008 :D |
| 23:21.09 | kkrusty | by the way I just got a n800 a few days ago. For about 150 pounds |
| 23:22.45 | AStorm | pounds of what? ;) |
| 23:22.52 | AStorm | should've bought in the US |
| 23:22.57 | AStorm | and get it cheaper |
| 23:23.07 | Proteous | 150 pounds of feathers |
| 23:23.13 | KotCzarny | of fathers |
| 23:23.26 | KotCzarny | fat hers |
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| 23:24.36 | AStorm | hmm, the port will be complicated by moves in mmc |
| 23:24.36 | KotCzarny | ok, bad joke |
| 23:24.36 | AStorm | ;) |
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| 23:25.06 | AStorm | I'll have to merge that part by hand ;P |
| 23:25.40 | AStorm | for some reason, git didn't detect the move |
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| 23:53.32 | Atarii | technology sucks |
| 23:53.45 | Atarii | just spend a couple of hours reflashing and reinstalling apps to my Nokia, to "fix" a problem with it not displaying webpages |
| 23:53.46 | KotCzarny | yes, sucks energy |
| 23:53.58 | Atarii | only to find that it was my router that needed restarting grrrr |
| 23:54.04 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 23:54.18 | KotCzarny | then it's not technology but diagnosis |
| 23:54.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:54.26 | Atarii | aah maybe |
| 23:56.41 | AStorm | Atarii: I sense a PEBKAC |
| 23:56.43 | AStorm | and sucky router |
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| 23:56.47 | Atarii | PEBKAC? |
| 23:58.06 | Atarii | i agree its a sucky router, some brainbox decided to get rid of the nice linksys we had :S |
| 23:58.34 | AStorm | ~acronym PEBKAC |
| 23:58.41 | AStorm | infobot: grrrr! |
| 23:58.56 | AStorm | KotCzarny: does it have such a plugin? |
| 23:59.04 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 23:59.08 | Atarii | PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" |
| 23:59.09 | Atarii | aha |
| 23:59.09 | KotCzarny | it's not mine |
| 23:59.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:59.17 | KotCzarny | atarii: we know that |
| 23:59.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:59.21 | Atarii | i didnt |
| 23:59.30 | KotCzarny | now you do too |
| 23:59.33 | Atarii | :p |
