IRC log for #maemo on 20080426

`00:00.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Haha, AStorm is right, lcuk, just turn it off. :P`
`00:00.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Keep the charger unplugged.`
`00:00.18`	`WorkingOnWise`	`well flash works on the internal flash.....`
`00:00.32`	`WorkingOnWise`	`so how do I fix my main OS, on the SD card, without widing it?`
`00:00.34`	`lcuk`	`i plugged charger in about 5 minutes AFTER`
`00:00.40`	`WorkingOnWise`	`wiping either`
`00:01.33`	`lcuk`	`wonders how the device kept running a program in memory for 5 minutes when it was meant to be off`
`00:01.47`	`KotCzarny`	`it wasn't off`
`00:01.50`	`KotCzarny`	`then`
`00:01.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:01.52`	`AStorm`	`lcuk: charger enables it`
`00:02.00`	`lcuk`	`yes i know that...`
`00:02.03`	`AStorm`	`you see, it gets the device to start up`
`00:02.03`	`lcuk`	`but read what i said`
`00:02.09`	`lcuk`	`kot - yup :)`
`00:02.16`	`AStorm`	`WorkingOnWise: try a reboot`
`00:02.23`	`AStorm`	`poweroff, then pull the battery`
`00:02.29`	`KotCzarny`	`i think it does it to save battery`
`00:02.44`	`WorkingOnWise`	`how long should the bat be out?`
`00:02.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`1 second`
`00:03.24`	`lcuk`	`ofgs - just take it out, and put it back in after blowing the contacts`
`00:03.28`	`WorkingOnWise`	`ok. booting back into the main OS....`
`00:03.36`	`WorkingOnWise`	`lol`
`00:04.20`	`WorkingOnWise`	`I had a pda that would still boot with the battery out...took 5 minutes for the residual to discharge`
`00:04.39`	`lcuk`	`wonders why there isnt a proper on/off`
`00:04.48`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk, battery saving`
`00:04.49`	`lcuk`	`i dont need the lcd to show me its charging`
`00:05.00`	`lcuk`	`battery saving for what - i told it to turn off`
`00:05.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`00:05.17`	`lcuk`	`*the led throbber would be a good charging indicator)`
`00:05.31`	`lcuk`	`i know i can save maximum battery if i can turn off my device`
`00:05.44`	`lcuk`	`and i know all software has stopped running`
`00:05.51`	`lcuk`	`so that i wont find it dead by morning`
`00:05.55`	`WorkingOnWise`	`ok, back in, still broken flash....`
`00:06.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It has to be partially booted to charge the battery.`
`00:06.33`	`lcuk`	`"It is now safe to turn off your computer. * unless an unruly process is hogging the cpu but we did terminate the cpufreq program so you will run at 400mhz"`
`00:07.21`	`lcuk`	`WorkingOnWise, you have b0rnen it`
`00:07.32`	`WorkingOnWise`	`are all the files for the browser, plugins included, in one folder that I can copy from the flash to the sd card, or are they scattered all over the place?`
`00:07.49`	`WorkingOnWise`	`lol....i see lcuk`
`00:08.45`	`AStorm`	`whoops`
`00:08.50`	`AStorm`	`made 6,4M of kernel modules`
`00:08.54`	`AStorm`	`time for some trimming ;>`
`00:09.18`	`WorkingOnWise`	`if I have to smoke the sd card, now is the time...but I'd rather learn how to fix it....`
`00:09.35`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: just don't include all of them in initfs`
`00:09.40`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:10.06`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: exactly`
`00:10.25`	`WorkingOnWise`	`do you think minefield could have broke microb?`
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`00:15.26`	`AStorm`	`hmm, now clocking at 1,7 MB`
`00:15.32`	`AStorm`	`uhm, 2,7MB`
`00:15.46`	`AStorm`	`2,9M even`
`00:15.51`	`AStorm`	`and that's mostly essentials`
`00:15.59`	`AStorm`	`the kernel is only 1,7M OTOH`
`00:16.05`	`KotCzarny`	`essential for boot?`
`00:16.07`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:16.44`	`AStorm`	`not really`
`00:16.51`	`AStorm`	`but highly useful, like ipv4/6`
`00:17.00`	`AStorm`	`wait, ipv4? that's built-in!`
`00:17.02`	`AStorm`	`and ipv6 too`
`00:17.03`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`00:17.07`	`AStorm`	`so it must be netfilter ;P`
`00:17.42`	`AStorm`	`that saved 200K`
`00:17.44`	`KotCzarny`	`again, you should only have boot essential modules in initfs`
`00:17.46`	`AStorm`	`still huge`
`00:17.57`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: and recovery modules too?`
`00:18.01`	`AStorm`	`like, usbnet?`
`00:18.05`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`00:18.14`	`AStorm`	`and ofc cx3110x`
`00:18.26`	`KotCzarny`	`that's not essential`
`00:18.35`	`KotCzarny`	`unless you want to have wifi recovery mode`
`00:18.39`	`AStorm`	`no, it is, it can't be setup later on`
`00:18.52`	`KotCzarny`	`NO?`
`00:18.57`	`KotCzarny`	`sorry for caps`
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`00:21.10`	`AStorm`	`56Kcrypto, 688Kdrivers, 524Kfs, 36Klib, 268Knet, 20Ksound`
`00:21.17`	`AStorm`	`module breakdown`
`00:21.42`	`KotCzarny`	`why can't be wifi set up later?`
`00:22.18`	`AStorm`	`because the setup data are set in linuxrc`
`00:22.27`	`AStorm`	`and passed from the bootloader`
`00:22.28`	`KotCzarny`	`?`
`00:22.33`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`00:22.43`	`KotCzarny`	`can't you just store it somewhere?`
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`00:22.47`	`AStorm`	`no`
`00:22.54`	`KotCzarny`	`what kind of data it is?`
`00:22.59`	`AStorm`	`don't kow`
`00:23.00`	`AStorm`	`*know`
`00:23.09`	`KotCzarny`	`weird`
`00:23.10`	`AStorm`	`ok, it's 2,7MB before compression`
`00:23.24`	`KotCzarny`	`how it is handed to initfs?`
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`00:23.35`	`AStorm`	`original was 0,8 MB`
`00:23.43`	`KotCzarny`	`ie. you can run programs from initfs via chroot`
`00:23.57`	`KotCzarny`	`that's how wifi is set up in free wifi driver`
`00:24.20`	`AStorm`	`...`
`00:24.30`	`WorkingOnWise`	`ok, guess i'll be wiping the SD card again and not installing everything that twinkles my eye huh?`
`00:24.45`	`AStorm`	`WorkingOnWise: be careful and make backups`
`00:25.06`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: well, I can trim the initfs down some still`
`00:25.13`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: hrw has info about it`
`00:25.42`	`KotCzarny`	`chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal`
`00:25.46`	`KotCzarny`	`that's the line`
`00:26.05`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`00:26.11`	`AStorm`	`but I want it pristine for now`
`00:26.18`	`AStorm`	`so I'll go about removing more drivers`
`00:26.28`	`KotCzarny`	`it's dirty because of binary drivers`
`00:26.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`00:27.23`	`AStorm`	`ext4 is large ;P`
`00:27.49`	`AStorm`	`additional 200K`
`00:27.59`	`WorkingOnWise`	`ext4?`
`00:28.17`	`WorkingOnWise`	`are you working on OS2009?`
`00:29.19`	`AStorm`	`now at 2M`
`00:29.32`	`AStorm`	`WorkingOnWise: no, I'm working on getting 2.6.25 running ;P`
`00:29.59`	`WorkingOnWise`	`is there goodies for the IT on 2.6.25?`
`00:30.14`	`AStorm`	`what?`
`00:30.26`	`AStorm`	`first of all, it's a kernel upgrade`
`00:30.43`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: btrfs is 350 KB`
`00:30.50`	`AStorm`	`ext4 is 300 KB`
`00:30.54`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`00:31.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:31.15`	`WorkingOnWise`	`well yeah, but is it for the sake of the upgrade, or do I want it as soon as you can get it out. I do like blood`
`00:31.15`	`KotCzarny`	`have you formatted sd with ext4?`
`00:31.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ext4 mostly seems like a slightly better way to kill an SD card than ext3. ;)`
`00:31.21`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: not yet`
`00:31.22`	`WorkingOnWise`	`bleeding edge...`
`00:31.26`	`AStorm`	`GeneralAntilles: indeed`
`00:31.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`USB mass storage on the other hand. . . . :D`
`00:31.41`	`AStorm`	`WorkingOnWise: it's mostly for the sake of performance, as 2.6.21 CPU scheduler sucks, really`
`00:31.53`	`AStorm`	`GeneralAntilles: usb mass storage doesn't have to be in initfs :>`
`00:32.05`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm, why not?`
`00:32.06`	`AStorm`	`so, I'll drop all the FS except btrfs`
`00:32.17`	`WorkingOnWise`	`ah, so we need it then. :D`
`00:32.18`	`KotCzarny`	`having rescue fs on usb-flash could be nice`
`00:32.19`	`AStorm`	`which I'm planning to put on internal mmc`
`00:32.37`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: why? why not on the card? ;P`
`00:32.46`	`KotCzarny`	`because it's a rescue fs`
`00:32.51`	`KotCzarny`	`so i assume card is b0rken`
`00:32.52`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`00:32.57`	`AStorm`	`so replace it`
`00:33.06`	`AStorm`	`d'oh`
`00:33.10`	`KotCzarny`	`b0rken in the sense that os won't boot`
`00:33.16`	`AStorm`	`initfs != os`
`00:33.16`	`KotCzarny`	`because of the app-manager or anything`
`00:33.28`	`KotCzarny`	`where did i say 'initfs' ?`
`00:33.33`	`KotCzarny`	`i have said 'rescue fs'`
`00:33.48`	`AStorm`	`so, why do you need to rescue an fs on a removable device?`
`00:33.55`	`AStorm`	`can't just use the laptop for it?`
`00:34.21`	`KotCzarny`	`why do you need usb rescue then?`
`00:34.25`	`AStorm`	`I don'`
`00:34.29`	`AStorm`	`I axed that`
`00:34.39`	`AStorm`	`usbnet is useful OTOH`
`00:34.44`	`KotCzarny`	`only for you`
`00:34.45`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:34.48`	`AStorm`	`I mean, actually, g_ether`
`00:34.50`	`AStorm`	`gadget`
`00:34.59`	`KotCzarny`	`it's all up to user's needs`
`00:35.19`	`KotCzarny`	`that's why default in distros is 'bloat mode'`
`00:35.45`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`00:35.49`	`Atarii`	`AStorm get rotate working in the 2008he kernel next`
`00:35.51`	`Atarii`	`deal?`
`00:35.54`	`AStorm`	`in initfs, we can't afford bloat`
`00:36.03`	`AStorm`	`2008he? nah, I don't have N770`
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`00:36.16`	`AStorm`	`and rotate is software, not kernel`
`00:36.22`	`AStorm`	`unless you're talking about omapfb`
`00:36.47`	`tsukasa`	`is there a good app for the n800 yet that will auto download and install podcasts?`
`00:36.48`	`KotCzarny`	`770 can't do rotate in hardware`
`00:37.01`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: neither can N8x0`
`00:37.04`	`KotCzarny`	`that's why there's no rotate hack for 770`
`00:37.09`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: not true`
`00:37.09`	`Atarii`	`aa ok`
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`00:37.13`	`tsukasa`	`er play`
`00:37.15`	`KotCzarny`	`it's lcd that does roation`
`00:37.17`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: indeed? info plz`
`00:37.19`	`tsukasa`	`>>`
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`00:37.21`	`AStorm`	`ah, that`
`00:37.29`	`AStorm`	`sure, it is possible`
`00:37.36`	`Atarii`	`but the 770 lcd cant do it?`
`00:37.46`	`AStorm`	`tsukasa: canola should do`
`00:37.48`	`KotCzarny`	`from what i have read`
`00:37.56`	`AStorm`	`everything except autodownload`
`00:38.05`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: and media playing?`
`00:38.06`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`00:38.09`	`Atarii`	`lol`
`00:38.14`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: nah, it will play podcasts`
`00:38.20`	`KotCzarny`	`rotated?`
`00:38.40`	`KotCzarny`	`ah, sorry, my eyes fail me`
`00:39.19`	`AStorm`	`ok, now at 1,2M`
`00:39.26`	`AStorm`	`which is only 400 KB more than original`
`00:39.43`	`AStorm`	`and all of it is btrfs`
`00:39.47`	`AStorm`	`and crypto`
`00:40.05`	`AStorm`	`(which I could've put into kernel too, blah)`
`00:41.14`	`KotCzarny`	`or just load from vfat partition`
`00:41.15`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`00:42.19`	`lcuk`	`gnite lads`
`00:42.29`	`KotCzarny`	`nite nite`
`00:42.44`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: indeed`
`00:42.51`	`AStorm`	`or from ext partition`
`00:42.55`	`AStorm`	`or even btrfs`
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`00:51.11`	`WorkingOnWise`	`whats a good customizable app menu for OS2008`
`00:51.25`	`Atarii`	`personal menu?`
`00:51.50`	`Atarii`	`http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/`
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`01:10.12`	`AStorm`	`hmm, does the initfs have to be jffs2?`
`01:10.30`	`KotCzarny`	`i think it has to be anything mountable by kernel`
`01:10.37`	`KotCzarny`	`but`
`01:10.39`	`AStorm`	`cpio.gz is ok?`
`01:10.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Make it jffs2`
`01:10.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You don't want to burn out your flash.`
`01:10.55`	`KotCzarny`	`is cpio.gz mountable?`
`01:10.59`	`AStorm`	`initfs? you're funny`
`01:11.07`	`AStorm`	`GeneralAntilles: it's not writable anyway, so?`
`01:11.15`	`KotCzarny`	`remember you don't have anything during / mount`
`01:11.23`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: well, kernel can mount it as initramfs`
`01:11.28`	`KotCzarny`	`e-e`
`01:11.30`	`AStorm`	`using normal options`
`01:11.36`	`KotCzarny`	`initramf has to be glued to kernel`
`01:11.44`	`KotCzarny`	`and kernel space is limited to 2mb`
`01:11.44`	`AStorm`	`yes and no`
`01:11.47`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
`01:11.54`	`AStorm`	`so, it has to be some loopback?`
`01:12.06`	`KotCzarny`	`make it cramfs`
`01:12.12`	`AStorm`	`ok, cramfs will do too`
`01:12.37`	`AStorm`	`I'd love squashfs, but haven't patched that in`
`01:12.45`	`AStorm`	`wait, no cramfs in either ;P`
`01:12.46`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah`
`01:12.53`	`KotCzarny`	`i used squashfs`
`01:13.08`	`KotCzarny`	`but after waiting for a correct patch for new kernel i gave up`
`01:13.12`	`KotCzarny`	`and moved to cramfs`
`01:13.17`	`AStorm`	`for new kernels it's simple`
`01:13.23`	`AStorm`	`you take the git tree of squashfs`
`01:13.26`	`AStorm`	`:>`
`01:13.34`	`KotCzarny`	`you have 2.6.25, you have cramfs`
`01:13.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:13.43`	`AStorm`	`but do I have it built in?`
`01:13.48`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`01:14.04`	`KotCzarny`	`as i said, during initial / mount you don't have anything`
`01:14.22`	`KotCzarny`	`unless you make initramfs in <300kb and glue it to kernel`
`01:14.24`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:14.26`	`AStorm`	`is it mounted like initrd, or something special?`
`01:14.32`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`01:14.38`	`AStorm`	`ah, so normal root`
`01:14.47`	`AStorm`	`ok, that makes it easier`
`01:14.48`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`01:14.56`	`AStorm`	`I could even make it vfat`
`01:15.02`	`AStorm`	`how much space is available for initfs?`
`01:15.16`	`KotCzarny`	`check the mtdblock sizes`
`01:15.23`	`AStorm`	`hmm`
`01:15.48`	`KotCzarny`	`you can do it with dd reading too`
`01:16.01`	`KotCzarny`	`it's probably mtd #3`
`01:16.38`	`AStorm`	`2M only, ouch`
`01:16.48`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:16.57`	`AStorm`	`and it's 3,5M now`
`01:17.05`	`KotCzarny`	`uncompressed?`
`01:17.06`	`AStorm`	`need some fairly strong compression`
`01:17.07`	`AStorm`	`yes`
`01:17.12`	`KotCzarny`	`then you will make it`
`01:17.24`	`AStorm`	`where do I get jffs2 progs`
`01:17.32`	`AStorm`	`what are they called?`
`01:17.49`	`KotCzarny`	`haven't used jffs2 by itself`
`01:17.56`	`KotCzarny`	`check google/kernel docs`
`01:18.35`	`AStorm`	`cramfs is 1,6M`
`01:19.18`	`KotCzarny`	`now the question is if initfs needs rw for anything`
`01:19.27`	`KotCzarny`	`i assume nokia's patchiness and weirdness`
`01:19.30`	`AStorm`	`CONFIG_CRAMFS is not set ;P`
`01:19.38`	`KotCzarny`	`then make it set :P`
`01:19.43`	`AStorm`	`if they do, I can make sure they don't P`
`01:19.49`	`AStorm`	`initfs is under my control`
`01:20.13`	`KotCzarny`	`unless some of the utils need write access`
`01:20.17`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:20.24`	`AStorm`	`only to device nodes`
`01:20.32`	`AStorm`	`some are made in /tmp/dev, which is 512K tmpfs`
`01:20.40`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:24.16`	`AStorm`	`I'll try cramfs`
`01:24.24`	`KotCzarny`	`k`
`01:24.29`	`KotCzarny`	`let me know how it went`
`01:24.31`	`AStorm`	`maybe I'll redo it as jffs2 later on, for easier modding`
`01:24.43`	`KotCzarny`	`define 'easier'`
`01:24.45`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:24.47`	`AStorm`	`actually... it should be writable, no?`
`01:24.54`	`AStorm`	`directly, on the device`
`01:25.01`	`AStorm`	`jffs2 isn't ro`
`01:25.01`	`AStorm`	`;P`
`01:25.01`	`KotCzarny`	`dd`
`01:25.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:25.20`	`AStorm`	`no`
`01:25.20`	`AStorm`	`directly, using jffs2 driver`
`01:25.32`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't know`
`01:25.38`	`KotCzarny`	`try it before you reflash initfs`
`01:25.40`	`AStorm`	`I'm thinking my arse off w/o checking if it's writable ;P`
`01:25.48`	`KotCzarny`	`ie. try remounting /mnt/initfs rw`
`01:25.59`	`AStorm`	`yp`
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`01:26.20`	`AStorm`	`worked ;P`
`01:26.31`	`KotCzarny`	`actual writing to it too?`
`01:26.37`	`AStorm`	`checking`
`01:26.44`	`n800n`	`what's a good way to back up a sd card that i boot from?`
`01:26.52`	`KotCzarny`	`n800n: dd`
`01:26.59`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: not really`
`01:27.05`	`AStorm`	`"No space left on device"`
`01:27.07`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: so it's ro?`
`01:27.12`	`AStorm`	`no`
`01:27.12`	`n800n`	`is that commandline only?`
`01:27.17`	`AStorm`	`I can edit files ;P`
`01:27.29`	`KotCzarny`	`does the changes persist?`
`01:27.32`	`KotCzarny`	`*do`
`01:27.40`	`AStorm`	`nah, can't write ;P`
`01:27.48`	`AStorm`	`ok, it's effectively ro`
`01:27.52`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:27.53`	`AStorm`	`time to flash`
`01:28.14`	`KotCzarny`	`n800n: then use norton ghost`
`01:28.25`	`KotCzarny`	`(m$ windoze user i assume)`
`01:28.38`	`n800n`	`no free ones that you know of?`
`01:28.45`	`n800n`	`mac or win`
`01:28.52`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't use m$ windows/mac`
`01:28.53`	`WormFood`	`n800n, backup your sd card to where?`
`01:29.05`	`WormFood`	`the SD card itself?`
`01:29.06`	`n800n`	`pc/mac`
`01:29.09`	`WormFood`	`or another device?`
`01:29.10`	`KotCzarny`	`dd is easy`
`01:29.12`	`KotCzarny`	`one liner`
`01:29.23`	`WormFood`	`cp is even easier than dd`
`01:29.33`	`KotCzarny`	`cp won't copy partition table`
`01:29.39`	`WormFood`	`are you stupid?`
`01:29.45`	`WormFood`	`do you not understand how linux works?`
`01:29.48`	`KotCzarny`	`you are stupind stfukthx`
`01:29.57`	`AStorm`	`WormFood: stfu, plzdiethx`
`01:29.58`	`WormFood`	`how in the fuck would dd copy the partition table and cp not?`
`01:30.03`	`AStorm`	`cp copies files`
`01:30.04`	`WormFood`	`cp /dev/sda`
`01:30.12`	`KotCzarny`	`wormfud: diediefuckdieeediefuckoffdie`
`01:30.17`	`AStorm`	`WormFood: yes, please`
`01:30.19`	`WormFood`	`you clearly do not understand how linux works`
`01:30.22`	`AStorm`	`cp will take ages to do this`
`01:30.24`	`WormFood`	`you cp the device`
`01:30.29`	`WormFood`	`go read the man page on dd`
`01:30.37`	`KotCzarny`	`no, you copy the device file`
`01:30.40`	`KotCzarny`	`not the device.`
`01:30.42`	`AStorm`	`dd will copy in large blocks`
`01:30.54`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: with some option, cp will copy the contents`
`01:30.58`	`tank-man`	`dd will copy in any block size you want`
`01:31.02`	`AStorm`	`yep`
`01:31.04`	`WormFood`	`AStorm, that is not true, unless you manually tell it to copy large blocks`
`01:31.11`	`AStorm`	`WormFood: indeed`
`01:31.12`	`WormFood`	`cp /dev/sda backup`
`01:31.19`	`AStorm`	`but you can't tell that to cp :>`
`01:31.25`	`AStorm`	`anyway, use cat`
`01:31.26`	`KotCzarny`	`dd is meant for block devices`
`01:31.27`	`WormFood`	`you don't need to with cp`
`01:31.30`	`AStorm`	`cat /dev/sda > backup ;)`
`01:31.31`	`WormFood`	`cat will do it too`
`01:31.37`	`AStorm`	`but then, don't`
`01:31.46`	`AStorm`	`dd is meant for that, and it's better at its job`
`01:31.48`	`WormFood`	`KotCzarny, that is not true`
`01:31.54`	`WormFood`	`dd is not better at that job`
`01:31.57`	`AStorm`	`it is`
`01:31.59`	`WormFood`	`GO READ THE MAN PAGE FOR DD`
`01:32.03`	`AStorm`	`you can pick block size, d'oh`
`01:32.03`	`WormFood`	`what are you converting?`
`01:32.13`	`AStorm`	`and copy in fragments`
`01:32.20`	`WormFood`	`there are only specific things that dd is better than cp at`
`01:32.33`	`WormFood`	`for example, if I wanted to copy the first 50 blocks of a device, then dd is better`
`01:32.34`	`KotCzarny`	`like copying fixed size block devices`
`01:32.49`	`WormFood`	`KotCzarny, what does that have to do with it?`
`01:32.53`	`AStorm`	`or if you want fdatasync`
`01:33.00`	`AStorm`	`to be ubersure the data reaches device`
`01:33.00`	`WormFood`	`you want to manually tell dd how many blocks to copy?`
`01:33.00`	`AStorm`	`;P`
`01:33.12`	`WormFood`	`that isn't "ubresure"`
`01:33.13`	`AStorm`	`and fsync`
`01:33.18`	`KotCzarny`	`also dd has progress indicator`
`01:33.19`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:33.21`	`AStorm`	`or use O_DIRECT`
`01:33.31`	`AStorm`	`yep, the most needed thing, progress bar ;)`
`01:33.32`	`WormFood`	`dd has a progress indicator? since when?`
`01:33.37`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`01:33.44`	`AStorm`	`WormFood: kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)`
`01:33.51`	`WormFood`	`heh`
`01:33.57`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: add watch -n10`
`01:33.57`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:34.02`	`AStorm`	`ya`
`01:34.22`	`AStorm`	`anyway, time to boot`
`01:34.32`	`KotCzarny`	`boots astorm`
`01:34.35`	`AStorm`	`in flash mode`
`01:34.48`	`KotCzarny`	`you should try fanoush tools`
`01:34.52`	`KotCzarny`	`you will love them`
`01:35.07`	`AStorm`	`they suck`
`01:35.12`	`AStorm`	`and broke my fs`
`01:35.15`	`AStorm`	`:>`
`01:35.16`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`01:35.24`	`KotCzarny`	`have you meddled with them?`
`01:35.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:35.27`	`AStorm`	`yes`
`01:35.34`	`KotCzarny`	`so it wasn't them`
`01:35.37`	`KotCzarny`	`but your meddling`
`01:35.37`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:35.39`	`AStorm`	`no`
`01:35.47`	`AStorm`	`actually, I just tried to flash his initfs`
`01:35.50`	`AStorm`	`with these`
`01:35.54`	`AStorm`	`and it failed miserably`
`01:36.02`	`AStorm`	`got an autoreboot ;P`
`01:36.05`	`KotCzarny`	`i have flashed kernel and initfs with them`
`01:36.10`	`KotCzarny`	`simple and fast`
`01:36.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:36.42`	`n800n`	`cat?`
`01:36.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You broke something, then, AStorm.`
`01:36.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Thousands of people use them without issue`
`01:36.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`you're the first person I've ever heard complain about them.`
`01:36.59`	`KotCzarny`	`i wouldn't say 'thousands'`
`01:37.01`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`01:37.08`	`n800n`	`dd then`
`01:37.12`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe tens`
`01:37.23`	`KotCzarny`	`and even then i wouldn't be so sure`
`01:37.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:37.40`	`AStorm`	`ok, flashed`
`01:37.42`	`WormFood`	`ugh! I just found a bug with NumptyPhysics, stopping me from exiting the program :(`
`01:37.42`	`AStorm`	`now reboot time`
`01:38.22`	`Navi`	`The only key bound to quit is 'q' :(`
`01:38.32`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`01:39.14`	`AStorm`	`hmmhmm, white Nokia screen right now`
`01:39.19`	`AStorm`	`and nothing else ;P`
`01:39.33`	`KotCzarny`	`enable fb console?`
`01:39.41`	`AStorm`	`ok, wait, it nicely went back to a black screen`
`01:39.45`	`AStorm`	`I had`
`01:39.57`	`AStorm`	`I guess it just doesn't boot, hehe`
`01:40.05`	`AStorm`	`I'll try the original initfs`
`01:40.10`	`AStorm`	`it should work w/o wlan`
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`01:42.32`	`AStorm`	`Ok, the kernel is at fault`
`01:42.44`	`AStorm`	`I forgot something, maybe`
`01:42.51`	`AStorm`	`or did something wrong :>`
`01:43.01`	`KotCzarny`	`have you set root device?`
`01:43.12`	`AStorm`	`hmm, nolo should do that?`
`01:43.23`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't know`
`01:43.55`	`KotCzarny`	`seeing output from kernel usually tells what's the problem`
`01:44.38`	`AStorm`	`ahha, I've enabled McBSP`
`01:44.42`	`AStorm`	`the defconfig doesn't have that`
`01:44.48`	`AStorm`	`might be the culprit`
`01:44.55`	`KotCzarny`	`what's mcbsp?`
`01:45.12`	`AStorm`	`read the menuconfig`
`01:45.29`	`KotCzarny`	`i'm not close to my main pc right now`
`01:45.36`	`KotCzarny`	`actually i'm in bed`
`01:47.20`	`AStorm`	`Multichannel Buffered Serial Port`
`01:47.29`	`KotCzarny`	`O.o`
`01:47.56`	`AStorm`	`and debug uart is no 3, not 1`
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`01:51.57`	`AStorm`	`ok, no rootflags`
`01:52.01`	`AStorm`	`that's the main killer ;P`
`01:52.11`	`AStorm`	`they do pass the flags to the kernel in menuconfig`
`01:52.17`	`KotCzarny`	`so i was right?`
`01:52.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:52.20`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`01:52.22`	`AStorm`	`:>`
`01:52.35`	`KotCzarny`	`(as always)`
`01:52.36`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:53.13`	`AStorm`	`I'll mod it to rw ;)`
`01:53.29`	`KotCzarny`	`kamikaze`
`01:53.30`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:54.08`	`AStorm`	`;)`
`01:54.41`	`AStorm`	`the worst that can happen is that flash dies after a few reflashes`
`01:54.54`	`KotCzarny`	`it shouldn't`
`01:55.09`	`KotCzarny`	`even if it's rated 1000 cycles`
`01:55.16`	`KotCzarny`	`(but i presume it's more)`
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`01:56.41`	`AStorm`	`still fail :)`
`01:57.11`	`KotCzarny`	`enable fb console`
`01:57.12`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:57.16`	`AStorm`	`ah right`
`01:57.19`	`AStorm`	`no no, that's in`
`01:57.30`	`AStorm`	`what's out is that I said it's jffs2`
`01:57.34`	`AStorm`	`while it's cramfs`
`01:57.35`	`KotCzarny`	`then you should see kernel boot messages`
`01:57.41`	`AStorm`	`i see Nokia screen ;P`
`01:57.55`	`KotCzarny`	`modify initfs scripts`
`01:57.59`	`AStorm`	`hm?`
`01:58.03`	`AStorm`	`ok`
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`02:04.47`	`AStorm`	`still fail :>`
`02:07.47`	`btb`	`can anybody help me with my hildon.FileChooserDialog in python?`
`02:08.07`	`btb`	`I can't make it filter the files at all`
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`02:14.24`	`btb`	`same problem here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2008-February/000267.html supposedly that script should work, but I get no filters and nothing on tap-and-hold menu either`
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`02:15.27`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: funny, FBCON is disabled in nokia defconfig`
`02:15.33`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`02:15.45`	`KotCzarny`	`they do you fb though`
`02:15.50`	`KotCzarny`	`*use`
`02:16.32`	`AStorm`	`btw, I should flash zImage or vmlinux?`
`02:16.41`	`KotCzarny`	`the smaller`
`02:16.51`	`KotCzarny`	`the one from arch/something`
`02:16.51`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
`02:17.22`	`AStorm`	`mhm, zImage`
`02:17.45`	`AStorm`	`there's also arch/arm/boot/compressed/vmlinux`
`02:17.58`	`KotCzarny`	`vmlinux is uncompressed i think`
`02:18.11`	`AStorm`	`nah, both are compressed`
`02:18.51`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`02:19.39`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`02:19.46`	`KotCzarny`	`ok, you are right on this one`
`02:19.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`02:20.00`	`KotCzarny`	`but it's vmlinux.bin`
`02:20.11`	`KotCzarny`	`vmlinux in the /usr/src/linux is uncompressed though`
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`02:24.19`	`randall`	`how can you unlock an n800 with OS2008 through vnc or ssh?`
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`02:37.47`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: it must be zImage`
`02:37.53`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`02:37.58`	`AStorm`	`and I'm trying now with real built-in initfs`
`02:38.03`	`AStorm`	`real tiny`
`02:38.33`	`KotCzarny`	`shouldn't you be sleeping?`
`02:38.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:40.27`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: sleep is for the weak ;)`
`02:40.40`	`KotCzarny`	`your eyes will hate you`
`02:40.42`	`AStorm`	`and it's weekend, so wtf do you care anyway`
`02:40.43`	`randall`	`is there maybe a keyboard shortcut?`
`02:40.53`	`AStorm`	`oh yeah? they can't hate me more ;)`
`02:40.55`	`AStorm`	`randall: no`
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`02:40.58`	`KotCzarny`	`i have learned that i need sleep`
`02:41.12`	`AStorm`	`you can remove lock with linux flasher`
`02:41.13`	`KotCzarny`	`next-day symptoms`
`02:41.32`	`AStorm`	`hehe`
`02:41.43`	`AStorm`	`this initfs is very wasteful`
`02:41.48`	`AStorm`	`e.g. full uClibc`
`02:41.56`	`KotCzarny`	`that's actually nice`
`02:41.57`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:42.08`	`AStorm`	`yes and no`
`02:42.15`	`AStorm`	`it should use static progs`
`02:42.20`	`AStorm`	`smaller with uclibc`
`02:42.34`	`KotCzarny`	`depends how many progs you want to have`
`02:42.40`	`AStorm`	`I need to trim 200 KB off the kernel`
`02:42.44`	`AStorm`	`maybe BT, oh yep`
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`02:44.16`	`randall`	`no interface available through /proc or /sys? I am root.`
`02:44.22`	`AStorm`	`I think there's none`
`02:44.34`	`AStorm`	`ok, moved sound, BT and v4l to module`
`02:44.39`	`AStorm`	`should shave off quite a bit`
`02:48.12`	`K-Fox`	`when n900 is out?`
`02:48.17`	`KotCzarny`	`tomorrow`
`02:48.21`	`K-Fox`	`k`
`02:48.33`	`KotCzarny`	`and i will give you same answer every day`
`02:48.34`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`02:48.47`	`KotCzarny`	`because there are no dates set yet`
`02:48.54`	`KotCzarny`	`no public dates that is`
`02:49.25`	`KotCzarny`	`you don't even know the name`
`02:50.38`	`KotCzarny`	`10. Availability`
`02:50.38`	`KotCzarny`	`The Nokia N900 Smart Tablet will hit store shelves in June 2008.`
`02:50.39`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`02:50.49`	`KotCzarny`	`9. Price`
`02:50.50`	`KotCzarny`	`The Nokia N900 Smart Tablet will retail for approximately $750.`
`02:50.51`	`KotCzarny`	`lol2`
`02:50.56`	`NullM0dem`	`does it run linux :)`
`02:51.07`	`KotCzarny`	`7. Operating system`
`02:51.07`	`KotCzarny`	`The N900 will be powered by Smart Tablet OS 2008 (based on Maemo)`
`02:51.18`	`NullM0dem`	`my 810 shows up in 2 days yay!!!!`
`02:51.42`	`KotCzarny`	`6. Connectivity`
`02:51.42`	`KotCzarny`	`The N900 will come with support for Quad-band GSM, HSDPA, WiMAX, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth.`
`02:51.44`	`KotCzarny`	`lol?`
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`02:52.13`	`KotCzarny`	`The Nokia N900 will be a mini-version of the N800, with a 3.5" display`
`02:52.20`	`AStorm`	`junk`
`02:52.20`	`NullM0dem`	`booo`
`02:52.42`	`AStorm`	`and they want to fit all the GSM, WiMax, WiFi and BT into an even smaller case`
`02:52.43`	`KotCzarny`	`1. Name`
`02:52.44`	`AStorm`	`rotfl`
`02:52.44`	`KotCzarny`	`Combine the best functionality from the already existing Smartphone and Internet Tablet line-ups, and Nokia's new iPhone competitor would naturally be named "Nokia N900 Smart Tablet".`
`02:52.47`	`KotCzarny`	`name, ehehe`
`02:52.58`	`AStorm`	`while not impossible, it's not easy`
`02:53.14`	`KotCzarny`	`size goes down, price goes up`
`02:53.14`	`smackpotato`	`where is the information`
`02:53.15`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`02:53.19`	`KotCzarny`	`http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8262.html`
`02:53.21`	`NullM0dem`	`they should just add another sd slot and some usb to the n810, beef up the video cam`
`02:53.37`	`AStorm`	`NullM0dem: and unbreak GSM? ;)`
`02:53.42`	`AStorm`	`also, add back the radio`
`02:53.43`	`NullM0dem`	`sure`
`02:53.50`	`AStorm`	`and improve battery by 300 mAh`
`02:53.53`	`KotCzarny`	`not going to happen`
`02:53.54`	`NullM0dem`	`yes`
`02:53.54`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:54.10`	`KotCzarny`	`n800 is the last beefed up version`
`02:54.10`	`NullM0dem`	`well just have to make our own then lol`
`02:54.22`	`KotCzarny`	`usb radio?`
`02:54.22`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:54.32`	`AStorm`	`ah, right`
`02:54.36`	`AStorm`	`make a Hacker Edition`
`02:54.36`	`NullM0dem`	`hijack the fabrication fcillitys for half a year`
`02:54.44`	`AStorm`	`with visible I2C, GPIOs etc.`
`02:54.45`	`smackpotato`	`lol`
`02:55.02`	`AStorm`	`or at least make these easily available off the breadboard`
`02:55.03`	`KotCzarny`	`nm: more doable with a group of psychics`
`02:55.04`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`02:56.19`	`K-Fox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:58.17`	`AStorm`	`lol`
`02:58.28`	`AStorm`	`the OMAP kernel is not really modularized`
`02:58.34`	`AStorm`	`almost nothing builds as modules`
`02:58.38`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`02:58.42`	`KotCzarny`	`hackers.`
`02:58.46`	`KotCzarny`	`lazy hackers.`
`02:58.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:59.04`	`KotCzarny`	`or hackers without enough time ;)`
`03:02.02`	`AStorm`	`only 60KB to remove now`
`03:02.19`	`KotCzarny`	`just drop the ext4`
`03:02.20`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`03:03.21`	`AStorm`	`it's already a module, sorry ;P`
`03:03.30`	`AStorm`	`I'm trying to shrink the kernel`
`03:03.35`	`randall`	`/etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart`
`03:03.43`	`KotCzarny`	`wrong wintod`
`03:03.45`	`KotCzarny`	`window`
`03:03.51`	`AStorm`	`10 kB todo...`
`03:04.28`	`randall`	`AStorm: restarting osso-systemui unlocked it`
`03:04.49`	`AStorm`	`ah, you meant that cheap lock key?`
`03:04.52`	`AStorm`	`not the lock code?`
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`03:06.07`	`randall`	`AStorm: Yes.`
`03:06.24`	`randall`	`AStorm: Now you're going to tell me something really easy, right?`
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`03:07.04`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`03:07.16`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`03:07.21`	`KotCzarny`	`ok, breakfast time`
`03:07.24`	`AStorm`	`the lock key is just a keycode, you can easily simulate it`
`03:07.39`	`AStorm`	`yay, now I'm <2M`
`03:08.20`	`AStorm`	`hmm, still no joy`
`03:08.27`	`AStorm`	`weird`
`03:13.58`	`AStorm`	`ok, forgot to add one LCD driver, d'oh`
`03:14.04`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`03:14.33`	`AStorm`	`I win ;)`
`03:14.41`	`AStorm`	`let's see where this build goes`
`03:14.43`	`KotCzarny`	`not just yet`
`03:14.43`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`03:15.50`	`AStorm`	`it's 80% of success if this works`
`03:16.02`	`AStorm`	`if I get to initramfs prompt`
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`03:19.59`	`AStorm`	`hm, zilch`
`03:22.08`	`AStorm`	`maybe the kernel has to be exact 2048 bytes or something`
`03:22.20`	`AStorm`	`I'll try a flash with fanoush' tools now ;)`
`03:22.29`	`AStorm`	`fortunately, my backup scheme worked :>`
`03:22.47`	`KotCzarny`	`huh?`
`03:22.56`	`KotCzarny`	`but what's the error?`
`03:23.11`	`AStorm`	`I don't know`
`03:23.19`	`AStorm`	`I can't get past the NOKIA screen`
`03:23.37`	`KotCzarny`	`disable it from overwriting the screen`
`03:23.38`	`AStorm`	`it's not of initfs, but of bootloader`
`03:23.38`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:23.43`	`AStorm`	`yeah, like how?`
`03:23.52`	`KotCzarny`	`it's called in initfs`
`03:24.34`	`AStorm`	`no`
`03:24.40`	`AStorm`	`it doesn't get to initfs at all`
`03:25.08`	`AStorm`	`in initfs, there's a forced screen update, courtesy of fanoush`
`03:25.29`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm, but with kernel with fbconsole you should have kernel messages at leat?`
`03:25.33`	`KotCzarny`	`*least`
`03:25.37`	`AStorm`	`yes`
`03:25.47`	`AStorm`	`so it crashed very early`
`03:25.56`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. mamona has gcc 4.x`
`03:26.05`	`AStorm`	`I can get it too`
`03:26.14`	`AStorm`	`no problem, just build gcc with my cross compiler`
`03:26.18`	`AStorm`	`and there it goes ;)`
`03:27.06`	`AStorm`	`I'll try fanoush' kernel flasher`
`03:27.10`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:27.25`	`AStorm`	`maybe the default tool expects exactly 2048kB`
`03:27.33`	`KotCzarny`	`i think not`
`03:27.36`	`KotCzarny`	`because pads too`
`03:27.44`	`KotCzarny`	`*it`
`03:27.51`	`AStorm`	`are you sure?`
`03:28.01`	`KotCzarny`	`read comments in kernel_flash script`
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`03:31.42`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`03:34.36`	`KotCzarny`	`http://lwn.net/Articles/229838/`
`03:34.38`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`03:34.54`	`KotCzarny`	`nice explanation of 'fully supported'`
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`03:42.52`	`woodwizzle`	`Yeah!! I got my n800 =)`
`03:43.09`	`woodwizzle`	`w00t w00t!`
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`03:43.35`	`mib_xneecu8k`	`hi guys`
`03:46.34`	`woodwizzle`	`how long do I need to initially charge the battery before I power on? or is it ok to power on and play with it while I charge it the first time? The included docs don't seem to say`
`03:47.18`	`AStorm`	`to be sure, I'd charge it fully`
`03:47.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just turn it on`
`03:47.26`	`AStorm`	`it will take a few hours`
`03:47.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It comes mostly charged.`
`03:47.37`	`AStorm`	`ya`
`03:47.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It takes about 3-4 hours for a full charge from low.`
`03:48.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But you don't need to "train" the battery or anything like that.`
`03:51.00`	`elb`	`it may or may not come mostly charged`
`03:51.02`	`elb`	`mine didn't`
`03:51.23`	`elb`	`(it charged for about 2 1/2 hours out of the box, before full)`
`03:51.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"mostly" being 50-70%`
`03:51.55`	`KotCzarny`	`that would be part-way charged`
`03:52.00`	`KotCzarny`	`mostly is >90%`
`03:52.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:52.21`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: have you seen the lwn article?`
`03:52.40`	`KotCzarny`	`bad news for people expecting open drivers`
`03:52.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:52.53`	`KotCzarny`	`well, maybe not exactly news`
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`04:01.49`	`KotCzarny`	`"Once you have a otherwise free system, you could ask for a static bme binary. That would be a request much harder to to argue as not reasonable, than the "plz provide commercial quality images for old hardware forever" request."`
`04:07.06`	`KotCzarny`	`and anoter one: "(Disclaimer: I'm paid by Nokia to work on the internet tablets. I looked at DSME's source just today to verify what I've just said. However, this is not Nokia's official position, et al.)"`
`04:07.11`	`KotCzarny`	`*another`
`04:07.51`	`KotCzarny`	`it was about that replacing dsme would be trivial`
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`04:18.56`	`woodwizzle`	`Where do I go to upgrade to 2008?`
`04:19.04`	`woodwizzle`	`Chinook i guess =)`
`04:22.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php`
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`04:34.28`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: I'm still having no luck, trying once more`
`04:34.33`	`AStorm`	`with the newest kernel`
`04:34.42`	`KotCzarny`	`try some sleep`
`04:34.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`04:34.46`	`AStorm`	`nay`
`04:34.48`	`KotCzarny`	`usually works`
`04:34.56`	`KotCzarny`	`or read the article`
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`04:37.41`	`KotCzarny`	`nokla n95, lol`
`04:38.58`	`woodwizzle`	`Does the 2008 installer not automatically run`
`04:39.31`	`woodwizzle`	`I can just save it`
`04:39.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What OS are you on, woodwizzle?`
`04:40.00`	`woodwizzle`	`GeneralAntilles: I have a brand new n800 running 2007`
`04:40.05`	`woodwizzle`	`i'm trying to install chinook`
`04:40.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`No, computer.`
`04:40.19`	`woodwizzle`	`ubuntu hardy 64bit`
`04:40.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux`
`04:40.45`	`woodwizzle`	`Oh I can't do it from the device itself?`
`04:40.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Technically, yes.`
`04:41.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But the method isn't particularly practical at the moment.`
`04:41.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You'll be doing it from a computer.`
`04:41.10`	`johnx`	`nah, and be sure to backup before you flash if you want your old stuff.`
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`04:42.54`	`AStorm`	`how do I fix menu that was changed by powerlaunch?`
`04:43.00`	`AStorm`	`(power menu)`
`04:43.15`	`KotCzarny`	`it's probably a txt file`
`04:43.20`	`AStorm`	`but where?`
`04:43.35`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't have device by me right now, sorry :)`
`04:43.47`	`KotCzarny`	`i would bet /home/usr/.hildon`
`04:43.49`	`KotCzarny`	`or something`
`04:51.41`	`woodwizzle`	`does the n800 come with xterm? or do i need to install that?`
`04:51.49`	`KotCzarny`	`comes`
`04:51.59`	`woodwizzle`	`Where can I get to is?`
`04:52.04`	`woodwizzle`	`it`
`04:52.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Utilities`
`04:52.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`at the bottom`
`04:52.39`	`woodwizzle`	`its not there for me`
`04:52.43`	`woodwizzle`	`Sketch is the bottom one`
`04:53.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Tools, then, maybe?`
`04:54.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You flashed OS2008 already, right?`
`04:54.32`	`woodwizzle`	`not yet`
`04:54.37`	`woodwizzle`	`I'm still downloading it`
`04:54.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then why do you need xterm?`
`04:54.57`	`woodwizzle`	`I want to play around while I'm downloadin =)`
`04:55.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Right then: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm`
`04:55.13`	`KotCzarny`	`just install ssh-server`
`04:55.34`	`KotCzarny`	`more fun than xterm+osk`
`04:55.46`	`woodwizzle`	`I guess I'll just play blocks and wait till I got 2008`
`04:55.49`	`KotCzarny`	`also you will get root`
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`05:14.37`	`woodwizzle`	`which button is the home button?`
`05:14.43`	`woodwizzle`	`oh wait`
`05:14.44`	`woodwizzle`	`lol`
`05:14.47`	`woodwizzle`	`the house i bet`
`05:14.48`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah..`
`05:14.50`	`KotCzarny`	`n00b`
`05:15.08`	`KotCzarny`	`forest raised n00b :P`
`05:15.16`	`johnx`	`you were once a n00b too KotCzarny :P`
`05:15.32`	`KotCzarny`	`johnx: that was a long time ago :P`
`05:15.36`	`johnx`	`ahahaha`
`05:15.40`	`johnx`	`like a couple weeks ago?`
`05:15.43`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`05:15.56`	`KotCzarny`	`i got a hang quite fast`
`05:15.57`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`05:16.19`	`johnx`	`yeah, no get me a copy of slackware running all nice like you said you would :P`
`05:16.26`	`johnx`	`s/no/now/`
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`05:26.25`	`KotCzarny`	`johnx: you are a debian user afair? ;)`
`05:26.42`	`johnx`	`yeah, but if you get power saving work it will be easy enough to figure it out :D`
`05:27.09`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah, unless i would close it in some obfuscated way`
`05:27.12`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`05:27.32`	`johnx`	`heh...you'd have a bigger horde of users after you then Nokia if you did that :P`
`05:27.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`05:27.48`	`KotCzarny`	`that would be fun :)`
`05:29.05`	`woodwizzle`	`any iGo stowaway keyboard owners in here?`
`05:29.13`	`KotCzarny`	`<--`
`05:29.25`	`KotCzarny`	`unless my igo kb isn't stowaway`
`05:29.31`	`KotCzarny`	`(ultra-slim something)`
`05:29.37`	`woodwizzle`	`Yeah same one`
`05:29.42`	`woodwizzle`	`How did you pair it?`
`05:29.49`	`woodwizzle`	`I set the code as 0000`
`05:29.50`	`KotCzarny`	`with perseverance ;)`
`05:29.55`	`KotCzarny`	`you odn't set the code`
`05:29.59`	`KotCzarny`	`go to control panel`
`05:30.05`	`KotCzarny`	`and then to bt keyboards`
`05:30.11`	`KotCzarny`	`then choose scan and pair`
`05:30.21`	`KotCzarny`	`it will display te code to enter on kb (+enter)`
`05:30.35`	`KotCzarny`	`took me ~20-30 tries ;)`
`05:31.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`blue fn key to enter numbers, then press enter on the keyboard when you're done.`
`05:31.59`	`woodwizzle`	`thats how I been doing it`
`05:32.03`	`woodwizzle`	`but never pairs`
`05:32.16`	`KotCzarny`	`as i said`
`05:32.21`	`KotCzarny`	`time frame is very small`
`05:33.04`	`woodwizzle`	`must be ridiculously small`
`05:33.08`	`KotCzarny`	`i think the combination that worked for me was, 1/ make kb discoverable, 2/ search and try to pair in control panel, 3/ enter pin`
`05:33.12`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`05:33.18`	`KotCzarny`	`my guess is 2-5sec`
`05:33.31`	`KotCzarny`	`i think it's the kb that makes it so small`
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`05:34.17`	`woodwizzle`	`Oh i hadn't properly turned it on. I guess the led needs to be flashing. Had to hit Ctrl-Fn-Fn again`
`05:34.24`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`05:34.26`	`woodwizzle`	`got it though, thanks!`
`05:34.55`	`KotCzarny`	`http://www.joemonster.org/article/6796/chinskie_klony_samochodow.html`
`05:35.05`	`KotCzarny`	`china made mercedes-benz`
`05:35.06`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`05:36.03`	`KotCzarny`	`lol, even maybach is there :>`
`05:38.23`	`KotCzarny`	`and people are concerned about bootleg phones, he hehe`
`05:41.03`	`woodwizzle`	`I've also paired it with a bluetooth stereo headset. As I understand it. bluetooth headsets can either be be stereo with no mic, or mono with a mic, is that right?`
`05:41.28`	`KotCzarny`	`doesn't know`
`05:41.40`	`woodwizzle`	`hmmm`
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`05:45.20`	`woodwizzle`	`is there a limit to the number of bluetooth devices I can use at a time?`
`05:46.53`	`pupnik`	`yes`
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`05:48.35`	`woodwizzle`	`just 1?`
`05:50.07`	`woodwizzle`	`it looks like I paired with the igo, but now I can't connect to it`
`05:50.19`	`Tama^2`	`I think it's more like "one per function"`
`05:50.30`	`Tama^2`	`1 keyboard, 1 phone, 1 gps`
`05:50.33`	`woodwizzle`	`i goto bluetooth settings, and I hit edit for the keyboard`
`05:50.40`	`woodwizzle`	`and then I hit connect`
`05:50.46`	`woodwizzle`	`when the keyboard is on`
`05:51.13`	`woodwizzle`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:52.51`	`woodwizzle`	`i guess i'll just repair`
`05:53.05`	`woodwizzle`	`hehe... get it re...pair =)`
`05:53.06`	`woodwizzle`	`sorry`
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`06:27.33`	`lopz`	`night`
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`06:54.12`	`woodwizzle`	`There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of apps in the application manager.`
`06:54.22`	`KotCzarny`	`enable extras`
`06:54.35`	`woodwizzle`	`is that under the control panel?`
`06:54.44`	`KotCzarny`	`in app man`
`06:55.36`	`qwerty12`	`"hildon-libs >= 0.9.50 hildon-fm libossohelp" are all replaced in OS2008 right?`
`06:55.45`	`woodwizzle`	`I found it, thanks`
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`07:18.38`	`KotCzarny`	`http://mebelki.zoni.pl/dni/2008.04.24/Uwaga-_pojazd_mo%5Bz%5De_przewozi%5Bc%5D_obietnice_wyborcze.jpg`
`07:18.39`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
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`07:21.03`	`qwerty12`	`I am finally joining ze revolution! My Ubuntu is finally upgrading :/`
`07:21.22`	`qwerty12`	`Knowing my luck, it's not going to start when it reboots.`
`07:21.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`07:22.32`	`qwerty12`	`Hopefully, my hibernation will be fixed. I broke it when trying to set up tuxonice.`
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`07:41.56`	`woodwizzle`	`argh, this whole keyboard situation is nasty. I can pair it up and it'll work, but after a while of non use it doesn't stay connected. And whenever I try to reconnect it fails`
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`07:45.46`	`woodwizzle`	`is there a built in text editor? I can't find one in the repos`
`07:49.41`	`woodwizzle`	`not even nano`
`07:49.52`	`KotCzarny`	`vi`
`07:49.56`	`qwerty12`	`^`
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`07:50.05`	`qwerty12`	`Or leafpad from debfarm repo.`
`07:50.06`	`KotCzarny`	`and some graphical are available`
`07:50.11`	`woodwizzle`	`ugh i hate vi`
`07:50.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:50.15`	`qwerty12`	`leafpad`
`07:50.22`	`KotCzarny`	`compile/install mc`
`07:50.24`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:50.43`	`qwerty12`	`mc doesn't really go well with a N800 TBH`
`07:50.50`	`KotCzarny`	`why?`
`07:50.55`	`KotCzarny`	`works beautifully for me`
`07:50.56`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:51.08`	`qwerty12`	`The hildon keyboard is extremely annoying :)`
`07:51.18`	`KotCzarny`	`then just get aterm from my site`
`07:51.19`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:51.35`	`qwerty12`	`But no virtual keyboards work with my N800 :(`
`07:51.41`	`KotCzarny`	`?`
`07:51.42`	`qwerty12`	`dsme throws a bitch fit.`
`07:51.50`	`qwerty12`	`I tried xkbd with the same results.`
`07:52.02`	`KotCzarny`	`get aterm and use it with xvkbd/xkbd`
`07:52.03`	`qwerty12`	`I really do not want to reflash.`
`07:52.07`	`KotCzarny`	`it's not hildonized`
`07:52.13`	`KotCzarny`	`so it won't call osk`
`07:52.36`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, I cannot use xkbd/xvkbd or even xmodmap. My N800 crashes :(`
`07:52.45`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`07:52.59`	`KotCzarny`	`try turning off xtest extension in xvkbd?`
`07:53.20`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, ok. I'll try soon. Thanks.`
`07:53.39`	`KotCzarny`	`it worked for me when xkbd fscked up the input state`
`07:53.48`	`KotCzarny`	`and everything was going in caps`
`07:54.07`	`qwerty12`	`Where is the xvkbd config file, if you don't mind me asking?`
`07:54.29`	`KotCzarny`	`look into xvkbd.desktop`
`07:54.33`	`qwerty12`	`Ok thanks.`
`07:54.40`	`KotCzarny`	`it takes param to select a kb layout`
`07:54.41`	`qwerty12`	`brb, I need to restart to finish off upgrade.`
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`07:58.08`	`woodwizzle`	`what is the default root password?`
`07:58.13`	`KotCzarny`	`none`
`07:58.19`	`KotCzarny`	`unless you install ssh-server`
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`08:00.58`	`woodwizzle`	`i didn't`
`08:01.07`	`KotCzarny`	`then do`
`08:01.27`	`woodwizzle`	`Well i need to use leadpad to edit some files to get bluetooth working (i think)`
`08:01.32`	`KotCzarny`	`you have to instal either that or some other package to get root`
`08:01.52`	`woodwizzle`	`oh`
`08:01.54`	`woodwizzle`	`ok`
`08:02.00`	`KotCzarny`	`if you install ssh-server you can mount n800 via sshfs`
`08:02.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`08:07.03`	`woodwizzle`	`now that I've generated a root password, i can't seem to use it. Running sudo asks for a password but when I enter one, no characters get displayed (maybe thats normal) and it never works`
`08:08.45`	`KotCzarny`	`ssh 0 -l root`
`08:08.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:09.10`	`KotCzarny`	`or ssh root@0`
`08:09.26`	`KotCzarny`	`or even better login from pc`
`08:09.52`	`KotCzarny`	`defualt sudo config is.. well`
`08:09.58`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, I just realised it isn't dsme that is crashing. I'm certain it's xserver. dsmetool runs xserver at init time with the condition that if it is closed, dsme will shutdown the entire thing. :( :/`
`08:10.00`	`KotCzarny`	`restrictively lax`
`08:10.37`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: keep in mind x[v]kbd aren't ildonized`
`08:10.45`	`KotCzarny`	`and don't talk over dbus`
`08:11.06`	`KotCzarny`	`so you can't use them as osk replacements`
`08:11.29`	`qwerty12`	`I'm not trying to :). I just want them to work :)`
`08:11.33`	`KotCzarny`	`that and because some special keys (like enter) have to be sent specially`
`08:13.14`	`qwerty12`	`I'm gonna force a reinstall of the xserver off jott's site and see what happens.`
`08:18.50`	`qwerty12`	Fcuking great. "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
`08:18.50`	`qwerty12`	`". 8.04 kernel breaks scratchbox for me anyway. Off to pH5's site...`
`08:19.13`	`KotCzarny`	`disable vdso`
`08:19.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:20.00`	`qwerty12`	`Yeah :). 7.10 worked great with sbox, why the knobs at ubuntu decide to mess things up.`
`08:20.13`	`KotCzarny`	`it's not that i guess`
`08:20.25`	`KotCzarny`	`by default all new kernels have vdso enabled`
`08:20.36`	`KotCzarny`	`to reduce exploits`
`08:20.51`	`KotCzarny`	`just disable it via /proc or /sys`
`08:20.54`	`qwerty12`	`Ahh. I'm not a security freak so it won't bother me.`
`08:20.58`	`qwerty12`	`Thanks.`
`08:21.03`	`KotCzarny`	`you can reenable it later`
`08:21.09`	`KotCzarny`	`just make a script`
`08:21.10`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`08:21.39`	`sohail`	`whoa lots of people in here`
`08:21.47`	`KotCzarny`	`mostly bots/sessions`
`08:21.51`	`sohail`	`lols`
`08:21.54`	`sohail`	`s/s//`
`08:22.02`	`qwerty12`	`I really need to do that mod to disable the pissing pc speaker. I swear down the linux beep is more annoying than the windows one.`
`08:22.02`	`sohail`	`I see!`
`08:22.13`	`KotCzarny`	`just cut it`
`08:22.13`	`sohail`	`Is there a list of the maemo compatible hardware somewhere?`
`08:22.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`08:22.38`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, I wish :p. Nah, easier to blacklist pc speaker module :p`
`08:22.45`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:22.58`	`KotCzarny`	`my 'mod' would work windows too!`
`08:22.59`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`08:23.09`	`qwerty12`	`Registry edit :p`
`08:23.21`	`qwerty12`	`"bash: /proc/sys/kernel/vdso: No such file or directory" - I'm guessing my vdso is already disabled. :/`
`08:23.22`	`KotCzarny`	`edit here, edit there`
`08:23.32`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
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`08:23.41`	`KotCzarny`	`or simply option to control it is gone`
`08:23.47`	`KotCzarny`	`recompile`
`08:23.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:24.02`	`qwerty12`	`Probably. Guess I'm going to have to. I hate recompiling desktop kernel though >.<`
`08:24.13`	`KotCzarny`	`why?`
`08:24.22`	`KotCzarny`	`your .config should be ready`
`08:24.35`	`KotCzarny`	`so just change one option`
`08:24.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:24.55`	`qwerty12`	`:), I'll check that when I download :)`
`08:25.24`	`qwerty12`	`I cannot live without my sbox, it was the bane of my life`
`08:25.34`	`KotCzarny`	`or get vmware`
`08:25.35`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`08:25.52`	`qwerty12`	`I hate vmware. I have it installed in Ubuntu and XP though,`
`08:25.59`	`qwerty12`	`But sharing files is a PITA`
`08:26.07`	`KotCzarny`	`why?`
`08:26.11`	`KotCzarny`	`it's an image`
`08:26.12`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:26.24`	`KotCzarny`	`just mount it wit ntfs-3g`
`08:26.27`	`KotCzarny`	`*with`
`08:26.34`	`KotCzarny`	`i mean 'doze partition`
`08:26.41`	`qwerty12`	`vmware-mount messes up and I have to keep doing vmware-setup to get network modules working.`
`08:27.37`	`qwerty12`	`Man, Ubuntu are knobs. I can't get the source for the kernel to show up in Synaptic. I'm gonna have to check their wiki.`
`08:28.35`	`KotCzarny`	`then get stock kernel`
`08:28.40`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:29.28`	`qwerty12`	`Will probably have to :). Look at this output... http://pastebin.ca/998203`
`08:29.44`	`qwerty12`	`Pissing me off. Even N800 compiling is better and easier.`
`08:30.44`	`qwerty12`	`If I can't get this to work, I'm switching to OpenSUSE.`
`08:30.48`	`KotCzarny`	`you have probably played as root with su instead of su -`
`08:30.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:31.40`	`qwerty12`	`I don't get it. I shouldn't have to be root to download a source to my home directory and I didn't even run with sudo :)`
`08:32.18`	`KotCzarny`	`no no`
`08:32.27`	`KotCzarny`	`as root it probably created a dir`
`08:32.34`	`KotCzarny`	`just chown it`
`08:32.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`08:32.48`	`qwerty12`	`Ah, thanks :)`
`08:34.00`	`woodwizzle`	`aaaarggh`
`08:34.07`	`woodwizzle`	`this is a nightmare :(`
`08:34.32`	`woodwizzle`	`i can't get mc or nano installed, so even while SSHed into the n800 from my PC I can't edit the files I need to edit`
`08:34.45`	`KotCzarny`	`huh`
`08:34.51`	`KotCzarny`	`are you installing one for armel?`
`08:35.00`	`woodwizzle`	`I dunno`
`08:35.06`	`KotCzarny`	`because it's not x86`
`08:35.09`	`woodwizzle`	`I'm just searching repoes for it`
`08:35.10`	`woodwizzle`	`i know`
`08:35.30`	`woodwizzle`	`all i need is a CLI text editor that works under OS2008`
`08:35.54`	`woodwizzle`	`so I can use it from SSH`
`08:36.13`	`wom-`	`vi`
`08:36.38`	`KotCzarny`	`http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/nano/download`
`08:36.41`	`KotCzarny`	`try this one`
`08:36.42`	`woodwizzle`	`dammit i hate vi though cuz I don't know how to use it`
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`08:37.14`	`KotCzarny`	`i haven't tried it but should work`
`08:37.36`	`woodwizzle`	`ok i'll give that one a shot, thanks =)`
`08:37.47`	`KotCzarny`	`just add 'armel' to the searches`
`08:39.57`	`RST38h`	`knows how to use vi but still hates it`
`08:40.37`	`KotCzarny`	`having to echo/sed the lines i would prefer vi`
`08:40.38`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:41.06`	`RST38h`	`hey, at least you are not programming by flipping switches! =)`
`08:41.16`	`KotCzarny`	`or punching cards`
`08:41.17`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`08:42.12`	`RST38h`	`the real shit hits the fan when you accidentally drop your stack of cards...`
`08:42.31`	`wom-`	`:)`
`08:42.47`	`KotCzarny`	`well`
`08:42.57`	`RST38h`	`they are numbered of course, but the number is punched in binary =)`
`08:43.02`	`KotCzarny`	`you have used permarker, haven't you?`
`08:43.03`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`08:43.07`	`RST38h`	`my mother did`
`08:43.13`	`RST38h`	`when I was a kid`
`08:44.06`	`qwerty12`	`To fuck with Ubuntu. I finally get the right command for kernel source, download the 50MB and when I cd to src, it's there for a second (the kernel sources) and then it's deleted and I get a folder called mytest.`
`08:44.13`	`woodwizzle`	`i think i'm just gonna haveta learn vi`
`08:44.27`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty, maybe it's moved to /usr/src ?`
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`08:45.04`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, damn you are right. I'm such a knob sometimes, must be a blond hair day :p`
`08:45.05`	`qwerty12`	`Thanks :)`
`08:45.16`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: sorry for a private question, but what do you need the ubuntu source for?`
`08:45.47`	`qwerty12`	`RST38h, I need to enable or disable vdso (not sure which one), upgrading to 8.04 has messed up my scratchbox.`
`08:46.12`	`KotCzarny`	`disable, for working sbox it need to be disabled`
`08:46.12`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:47.05`	`qwerty12`	`Ok :), I thought I read conflicting reports but I must have misread. I'll have to see in source if it is disabled.`
`08:47.15`	`KotCzarny`	`nah`
`08:47.25`	`KotCzarny`	`it's a configurable option`
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`08:47.53`	`KotCzarny`	`unless folks at ubuntu went redhat way 'we know better and we patch what we would like'`
`08:47.54`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:48.16`	`vegai`	`Hey. Is there anything I can do myself to an N810 that fails to boot at all?`
`08:48.27`	`vegai`	`I mean so badly that it cannot be even flashed anymore`
`08:48.29`	`qwerty12`	`Give it to me?`
`08:48.31`	`qwerty12`	`:p`
`08:48.44`	`vegai`	`Sure, I'll give it to if you give $200 to me first :P`
`08:48.50`	`qwerty12`	`How can it not be flashed?`
`08:48.53`	`qwerty12`	`:p :)`
`08:48.55`	`KotCzarny`	`not a bad deal`
`08:48.59`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty, get it`
`08:49.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`08:49.11`	`vegai`	`I paid much less for it :P But anyway`
`08:49.20`	`KotCzarny`	`second hand?`
`08:49.21`	`vegai`	`when I plug the power in, I get the NOKIA logo for a very short while`
`08:49.30`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, when I get a BT keyboard, N800 will be fine :)`
`08:49.32`	`vegai`	`maemo developer supported thingie`
`08:49.51`	`KotCzarny`	`are you maemo developer?`
`08:49.52`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:49.55`	`vegai`	`so short while that the computer it is plugged into via USB doesn't register it at all`
`08:50.16`	`vegai`	`KotCzarny: hobbyist currently. I was kinda before`
`08:50.21`	`qwerty12`	`Do you hold down the flash "button" on N800, it's the home button but its different on N810.`
`08:50.24`	`qwerty12`	`Let me check.`
`08:50.30`	`KotCzarny`	`you can try getting sd out`
`08:50.31`	`vegai`	`N810, btw`
`08:50.48`	`wom-`	`vegai: i had instance that my computer didn't recognize N810.. try changing to another usb port.. helped for me :)`
`08:51.15`	`wom-`	`for some reason desktop stopped finding it in one port.. changed to another and worked`
`08:51.28`	`vegai`	`It's linux. I think it's supposed to show something in dmesg even if it doesn't recognize the device`
`08:51.32`	`vegai`	`but there's nothing`
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`08:51.52`	`vegai`	`but I'll try to rip everything off I can`
`08:52.04`	`vegai`	`crack Oh, I didn't know that comes off`
`08:52.05`	`vegai`	`:-)`
`08:52.40`	`KotCzarny`	`humhum`
`08:52.57`	`qwerty12`	`Have you tried plugging in the usb cable, holding down the "application swap key" which is the one that looks like two overlapping boxes (left side front, top button) and plugging in the power cable?`
`08:52.58`	`KotCzarny`	`try pulling battery out for some time too`
`08:53.02`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: Oh`
`08:53.13`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: switch to sb2 =)`
`08:53.25`	`RST38h`	`upgraded to Ubuntu8 overnight, and the sb2 still as good as new`
`08:53.32`	`vegai`	`qwerty12: nope`
`08:53.36`	`vegai`	`I'll check that out`
`08:53.54`	`qwerty12`	`RST38h, I tried but install got interrupted and now sbox2 says no targets found even though everything that was needed was installed :(`
`08:53.57`	`qwerty12`	`Thanks though.`
`08:54.09`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: I think you need to add target manually`
`08:54.13`	`RST38h`	`a moment`
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`08:56.35`	`RST38h`	`qwerty:try maemo-rootstrap --host-tools install chinook40_armel`
`08:56.46`	`RST38h`	`it should pull the armel target for you`
`08:56.54`	`qwerty12`	`RST38h, Thanks, will do as soon as I reinstall sb2`
`08:57.30`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, only vdso option is CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO :/`
`08:57.43`	`KotCzarny`	`then enable it`
`08:57.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:57.50`	`qwerty12`	`Ok, thanks :)`
`08:57.52`	`KotCzarny`	`or read it's help subpage`
`08:58.33`	`qwerty12`	`I've enabled it. Got nothing to lose. Time to compile and if it doesn't work, time for SB2 (thanks RST38h ).`
`08:59.06`	`vegai`	`qwerty12: no effect really when holding down the swap key`
`08:59.09`	`KotCzarny`	`you would have to disable it in proc though`
`08:59.10`	`KotCzarny`	`i guess`
`08:59.51`	`vegai`	`I suppose it's just bricked. Nasty`
`08:59.54`	`qwerty12`	`vegai, that's odd :(. If you could boot in, I'd recommend trying General's instructions on ITT.`
`09:00.33`	`vegai`	`perhaps the guys at Nokia weren't happy about my progress so they sent me a funny update :P`
`09:00.47`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`09:00.53`	`qwerty12`	`Repair bill will be high to make up for the discount :p`
`09:01.18`	`vegai`	`I'll write a nasty blog posting to make up for that, then :P`
`09:01.47`	`vegai`	`and of course, won't be able to write my mega-awesome app that would've saved the whole platform`
`09:01.55`	`qwerty12`	`lol`
`09:01.55`	`KotCzarny`	`is it under warranty ?`
`09:02.12`	`vegai`	`seriously, should be under warranty`
`09:02.15`	`KotCzarny`	`vegai: you have ported 3d drivers?!`
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`09:02.26`	`RST38h`	`"Nokia is sending me trojan scripts hidden inside software updates!"`
`09:02.28`	`vegai`	`heh, yeah. That would do it`
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`09:02.40`	`RST38h`	`remembers seeing this in Wikipedia`
`09:02.49`	`KotCzarny`	`that was itt`
`09:02.50`	`KotCzarny`	`i think`
`09:02.57`	`qwerty12`	`that tosser meanwhile?`
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`09:03.02`	`RST38h`	`yea`
`09:03.21`	`vegai`	`qwerty12: what are "General's instructions"?`
`09:03.57`	`qwerty12`	`vegai, I can't remember but I don't know if they would work well for you. let me do a search.`
`09:04.44`	`qwerty12`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 - those but I'm not sure if they will work properly once again in your situation.`
`09:05.02`	`qwerty12`	`And Home key = Application swap key for N810.`
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`09:19.10`	`0660_	`what's the point of installing xterm? :)`
`09:19.23`	`Veggen`	`uh?`
`09:19.35`	`Veggen`	`getting to a shell?`
`09:19.44`	`0660	`i'm referring to qwerty12's link`
`09:19.45`	`KotCzarny`	`naughty!`
`09:19.54`	`qwerty12`	`0660, Os2007 doesn't come with it
`09:20.02`	`qwerty12`	`that link is for when you upgrade.`
`09:20.15`	`RST38h`	`You can just as well install ssh`
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`09:20.20`	`0660	`but why would you need terminal for flashing?`
`09:20.44`	`qwerty12`	`Did you read it?`
`09:20.52`	`RST38h`	`do read the itt article`
`09:21.01`	`0660	`hmm`
`09:21.54`	`0660	`he had some really weird problems flashing the unit?`
`09:22.21`	`vegai`	`qwerty12: I suppose it could be just the battery that's busted.`
`09:22.33`	`KotCzarny`	`'flashing the unit' naughty!`
`09:22.33`	`vegai`	`but then again, I have the device on AC`
`09:23.07`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, Hehe, I need to watch that N810 porn again :p`
`09:23.40`	`qwerty12`	`Ok, I don't but it goes :p`
`09:23.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:23.54`	`vegai`	`naah, it just shuts down after awhile, also when pressing the home button`
`09:24.02`	`vegai`	`gotta send it back`
`09:24.12`	`KotCzarny`	`..to me`
`09:24.13`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`09:24.23`	`0660	`i usually have problems when flashing too`
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`09:24.41`	`0660	`i always forget which button i was supposed to press in the boot`
`09:25.16`	`vegai`	`you don't have to press any button if it's working`
`09:25.36`	`qwerty12`	`Sigh, kernel recompile is slow :(. I tried echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled as root even but I don't have right permissions.`
`09:25.57`	`qwerty12`	`It's like WIndows, logged in as Admin and I still can't run an commmand.`
`09:26.04`	`KotCzarny`	`it's not that`
`09:26.21`	`KotCzarny`	`it doesn't allow you creating a file in /proc which it doesn't know about`
`09:26.22`	`0660	`i have always had to press a button for it to work with my n800`
`09:26.46`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, Oh yes, you are right, I forget echo makes files too,`
`09:27.02`	`qwerty12`	`Actually vdso_enabled exists.`
`09:27.20`	`qwerty12`	`"cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled" = 1`
`09:27.30`	`qwerty12`	`So I guess it is like Windows to me.`
`09:27.30`	`KotCzarny`	`try echo -n 0`
`09:27.40`	`0660	`do you have fedora? :)`
`09:27.42`	`RST38h`	`hoho, that mxic flash chip finally finished erasing`
`09:27.47`	`RST38h`	`only took 5 minutes`
`09:27.49`	`woodwizzle`	`i think i figuired out my keyboard issues`
`09:27.53`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, Still permission denied :(`
`09:28.02`	`qwerty12`	`0660, Ubuntu 8.04 :)
`09:28.08`	`qwerty12`	`Should have stuck with 7.10.`
`09:28.18`	`KotCzarny`	`weird`
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`09:28.25`	`0660	`does it have selinux enabled?`
`09:28.28`	`woodwizzle`	`it defaults to the name "Think Outside Keyboard". I think the config files get confused about spaces. I renamed to iGo and now all appears to be well =)`
`09:28.39`	`qwerty12`	`0660, no idea.
`09:28.41`	`KotCzarny`	`[root@x32 05:24:24 /]# echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled`
`09:28.41`	`KotCzarny`	`[root@x32 05:24:29 /]# cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled`
`09:28.41`	`KotCzarny`	`0`
`09:29.09`	`Veggen`	`mmm, anything wrong with 8.04? I seemomething about 8.04 and scratchbox problems, but there was a fix too.`
`09:29.16`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, thanks :)`
`09:29.27`	`qwerty12`	`I used sudo -i rather than sudo echo etc`
`09:29.29`	`Veggen`	`seem to remember something.`
`09:29.30`	`qwerty12`	`and it worked :0`
`09:29.37`	`KotCzarny`	`doh.`
`09:29.44`	`qwerty12`	`cancels kernel recompile`
`09:30.12`	`qwerty12`	`Veggen, sudo -i and echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled :)`
`09:30.30`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: why not: su -`
`09:30.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:30.54`	`qwerty12`	`KotCzarny, no idea. I'm just so used to sudo now :)`
`09:31.07`	`KotCzarny`	`i hardly use sudo`
`09:31.35`	`qwerty12`	`I do a lot now, more so now after enabling it on my N800.`
`09:31.55`	`qwerty12`	`I'm gonna add vdso=0 to my grub to make sure it works.`
`09:32.11`	`KotCzarny`	`nah`
`09:32.23`	`KotCzarny`	`once you set it with taht echo command it stayd disabled`
`09:32.27`	`KotCzarny`	`(until reboot)`
`09:32.50`	`qwerty12`	`Which happens a lot in my case so vdso=0 seems like a good all-rounder for me :p`
`09:33.05`	`qwerty12`	`brb, I need to test if my hibernation works.`
`09:34.03`	`lcuk`	`rm -rf throatgunk`
`09:34.22`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk, make a cron script`
`09:34.23`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:34.51`	`lcuk`	`i havent got cron installed, but i installed a sigalarm as a compromise`
`09:35.12`	`lcuk`	`now it just interupts whatever i am doing and hocks a loogie`
`09:35.39`	`KotCzarny`	`could be dangerous`
`09:35.48`	`KotCzarny`	`if it kicks in at the wrong moment`
`09:35.51`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`09:36.17`	`lcuk`	`totally - ive had threading issues. the drink_coffee process was rudely interupted and i ended up getting splashed`
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`09:36.34`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`09:36.44`	`KotCzarny`	`but not core dumped.. yet`
`09:36.45`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`09:36.45`	`lcuk`	`at least im starting to feel better`
`09:36.53`	`lcuk`	`no comment`
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`09:37.09`	`qwerty111`	`That's a no :)`
`09:38.04`	`lcuk`	`unfortunately its turned viral - my youngest and missus are starting to sound bad`
`09:38.14`	`KotCzarny`	`ugh`
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`09:38.25`	`Ziriuz`	`hi!`
`09:38.26`	`lcuk`	`i think im gonna move out for a few days ;)`
`09:38.34`	`KotCzarny`	`too late`
`09:38.34`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:38.37`	`lcuk`	`or at least get myself a gas mask`
`09:38.44`	`lcuk`	`well yer i cant catch it again`
`09:39.00`	`KotCzarny`	`once you are through it you should be immune`
`09:39.20`	`lcuk`	`yer :)`
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`09:40.08`	`lcuk`	`now i think i need to smoke a big cigar to finally get rid of all the crap from throat`
`09:40.24`	`Ziriuz`	`I installed Canola2 beta8 on my 770 with the latest 2007 Hacker edition, but it doesn't want to start. If i launch it from terminal it says "Illegal Instruction" :S Does anynone knows how to solve it?`
`09:41.00`	`lcuk`	`Ziriuz, there is a dedicated canola channel i think which may be able to help you properly`
`09:41.18`	`lcuk`	`the actual developers hang out there :)`
`09:41.19`	`Ziriuz`	`doh, sorry :S`
`09:41.27`	`KotCzarny`	`at proper (brazilian) hours of course`
`09:41.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:41.30`	`Ziriuz`	`thanks ;)`
`09:41.43`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, maybe, but do you know which chan it is`
`09:42.14`	`qwerty111`	`#canola`
`09:42.14`	`lcuk`	`#canola`
`09:42.25`	`KotCzarny`	`well, some folks come to #maemo with ubunto/'doze problems`
`09:42.27`	`KotCzarny`	`so..`
`09:42.28`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`09:42.37`	`lcuk`	`sounds familiar :P`
`09:42.54`	`qwerty111`	`holds my hand up`
`09:43.00`	`qwerty111`	`s/my/his/`
`09:43.31`	`lcuk`	`i just thought with this specific thing we could hop around and guess all day but chances are actual canolas will be more suited`
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`09:44.01`	`KotCzarny`	`i think anything related with 770/n8x0 comes to #maemo`
`09:45.30`	`lcuk`	`which is why he came here :)`
`09:48.39`	`dreamerns`	`does anyone know how i can change password for user on n810`
`09:48.46`	`KotCzarny`	`passwd`
`09:49.24`	`dreamerns`	`well, i've tried that....but it says"The password for user cannot be changed"`
`09:49.34`	`qwerty111`	`Sigh. N800 is rubbish for wifi cracking. I'd left aircrack-ng running overnight. Running for 5 hours and it was killed :( and I got no key. Also is sbrsh meant for using the ARM processor on your N800 rather than QEMU emulation?`
`09:49.35`	`KotCzarny`	`then obey it`
`09:49.43`	`KotCzarny`	`because it may actually break something`
`09:50.01`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: blame closed wifi drivers`
`09:50.26`	`qwerty111`	`KotCzarny, I was cracking a dump file I had :)`
`09:50.33`	`KotCzarny`	`achm`
`09:50.34`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:51.00`	`KotCzarny`	`sbrsh just connects via ssh and runs command on device`
`09:51.02`	`KotCzarny`	`i think`
`09:51.11`	`qwerty111`	`Ah. Not so useful then :/`
`09:51.28`	`dreamerns`	`hmmm...there's gotta to be a way`
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`09:51.49`	`qwerty111`	`dreamerns, is there a point? I don't see where the N800 asks you to log in.`
`09:51.52`	`KotCzarny`	`dreamerns: better not touch it, unless you want to face the wrath of wsod`
`09:52.37`	`dreamerns`	`i need my pass to become root`
`09:52.44`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`09:52.46`	`dreamerns`	`actually, i want to move home`
`09:52.56`	`dreamerns`	`from /home/user`
`09:53.04`	`dreamerns`	`to /media/mmc2/home/user`
`09:53.06`	`KotCzarny`	`go for booting from sd card`
`09:53.13`	`KotCzarny`	`that will save you troubles`
`09:53.21`	`dreamerns`	`and make link on /home/user to /media/mmc2/home/user`
`09:53.35`	`KotCzarny`	`you want yourself wsod'ed`
`09:53.39`	`KotCzarny`	`that's what you want`
`09:53.40`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:53.45`	`dreamerns`	`this looked easy, at least on linux :)`
`09:53.56`	`KotCzarny`	`linux isn't so hackisly hardcoded`
`09:54.03`	`dreamerns`	`but somehow i cant remove user dir even if i have rights`
`09:54.06`	`qwerty111`	`That's what happened to me lol when I tried moving home/user with unionfs`
`09:54.18`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`09:54.33`	`KotCzarny`	`the concept of unionfs is that only changes go to overlay fs`
`09:54.44`	`KotCzarny`	`and everything unchaged is taken from original fs`
`09:54.47`	`dreamerns`	`so i need user pass for "sudo su"`
`09:55.09`	`KotCzarny`	`dreamerns: get gainroot`
`09:55.17`	`KotCzarny`	`or ssh-server`
`09:55.27`	`KotCzarny`	`but don't come back crying about reboot-loop`
`09:55.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`09:56.05`	`dreamerns`	`reboot-loop?`
`09:56.22`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`09:56.42`	`KotCzarny`	`if you do anything that makes x/matchbox angry`
`09:56.48`	`dreamerns`	`well i can always flash device :)`
`09:56.52`	`KotCzarny`	`true`
`09:57.55`	`dreamerns`	`my friend told me that somewhere in control panel you can change passwd for user`
`09:58.02`	`dreamerns`	`and just do sudo su to become root`
`09:58.06`	`qwerty111`	`That's device lock code.`
`09:58.23`	`KotCzarny`	`drea: install gainroot`
`09:58.25`	`dreamerns`	`device lock code == user pass?`
`09:58.35`	`KotCzarny`	`or ssh-server`
`09:58.40`	`dreamerns`	`ok`
`09:58.54`	`dreamerns`	`i'll try with ssh server`
`09:58.58`	`dreamerns`	`tnx`
`10:00.00`	`qwerty111`	`Look at this! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=174913#post174913`
`10:01.24`	`RST38h`	`you can even do it wirelessly!`
`10:01.36`	`RST38h`	`(if you use a PC with an Xserver ;))`
`10:01.57`	`Dist`	`qwerty111: Haha, hacking ftw =)`
`10:02.15`	`qwerty111`	`Dist, :)`
`10:02.22`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`10:02.32`	`KotCzarny`	`but you don't have usb adaptor to do it..`
`10:02.35`	`Dist`	`Gotta love it =)`
`10:02.41`	`KotCzarny`	`just do export DISPLAY=host:0.0`
`10:02.45`	`KotCzarny`	`and run your app.`
`10:02.54`	`qwerty111`	`It's more about the progress for me, not that I don't have an adapter :p`
`10:02.57`	`KotCzarny`	`also run xhost + on dest machine`
`10:03.42`	`KotCzarny`	`(or use vnc)`
`10:03.57`	`qwerty111`	`ARRGH! Now my sbox2 and scratchbox is destroyed.`
`10:04.11`	`KotCzarny`	`how?`
`10:04.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:04.33`	`qwerty111`	`"scratchbox"= "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.`
`10:04.33`	`qwerty111`	`" which never happened before.`
`10:04.49`	`qwerty111`	`sbox2 "running 'sb2-init -m maemo -c /usr/bin/sb2-qemu-arm chinook40_armel /opt/maemo/tools/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc'`
`10:04.50`	`qwerty111`	`/opt/maemo/tools/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc doesn't exist`
`10:04.50`	`qwerty111`	`Error: Cannot initialize Scratchbox2.`
`10:04.50`	`qwerty111`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:04.50`	`qwerty111`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:05.59`	`KotCzarny`	`just install slackware..`
`10:06.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:06.23`	`qwerty111`	`Can't be bothered with all the compiling :p. I get enough errors as it is :)`
`10:06.35`	`qwerty111`	`I'm leaning towards OpenSuSE.`
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`10:07.25`	`KotCzarny`	`suse went 'meh' with novell`
`10:08.20`	`qwerty111`	`True but as long as it works, I don't really care who it's from. I don't mind opensource but if something is commercial, it isn't going to stop me from using it. I'm not that hardcore about oss etc.`
`10:08.32`	`KotCzarny`	`then just go slackware`
`10:08.34`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`10:08.40`	`KotCzarny`	`it's stable`
`10:09.20`	`qwerty111`	`Got me there. ATM, I'm downloading "833MB of archives". All scratchbox toolchains.`
`10:09.34`	`qwerty111`	`If this doesn't work, I don't know what will.`
`10:09.44`	`qwerty111`	`Except for Slackware/OpenSUSE.`
`10:09.50`	`KotCzarny`	`sounds like fun`
`10:09.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:10.13`	`qwerty111`	`Hehe :). My internet is slow in Linux so :/`
`10:10.46`	`qwerty111`	`I don't agree on Slackware mascot. It should have been Ganja instead of pipe.`
`10:11.13`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't like penguin as a mascott, but i use linux`
`10:11.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:11.41`	`qwerty111`	`Fake Chinese Brand: http://bp1.blogger.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/R0w7ZPFft0I/AAAAAAAAGic/OLUzJRcsbqU/s1600-h/fake_brands_009.jpg`
`10:11.43`	`qwerty111`	`lol`
`10:11.44`	`qwerty111`	`:0`
`10:11.47`	`0660	`i wish sb would work with amd64 soon`
`10:11.52`	`qwerty111`	`s/:O/:)`
`10:12.02`	`qwerty111`	`0660, there's a hack somewhere.
`10:12.30`	`Veggen`	`hmm. my new desktop, due to arrive, is amd64.`
`10:12.32`	`KotCzarny`	`qwerty: http://www.joemonster.org/article/6796/chinskie_klony_samochodow.html`
`10:12.33`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:12.36`	`0660	`i've spent a few hour looking for a solution`
`10:12.51`	`qwerty111`	`0660, something like setarch
`10:12.54`	`qwerty111`	`KotCzarny, lol`
`10:12.56`	`qwerty111`	`http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/R0w7F_FftrI/AAAAAAAAGhU/KVh-TolarNc/s1600-h/fake_brands_010.jpg`
`10:13.05`	`qwerty111`	`this one had me rolf`
`10:13.07`	`0660	`even tried the vmware image but had networking problems`
`10:13.55`	`0660	`maybe it will be better in a year or two :)`
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`10:14.22`	`qwerty111`	`0660, I got networking to work fine in Linux and Windows host.
`10:14.38`	`RST38h`	`Cloned Maybach looks more expensive than the original one!`
`10:14.46`	`RST38h`	`More metallized plastic, etc`
`10:14.48`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`10:15.16`	`KotCzarny`	`rst: from the text under art: they are so finely copied that most often spare parts fit`
`10:15.16`	`qwerty111`	`The cloned one looks chung`
`10:15.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:15.59`	`qwerty111`	`My favourite is the "nokla"`
`10:16.16`	`0660	`it work briefly with me too but then i couldn't resist running apt-get autoremove on the guest :P`
`10:16.17`	`RST38h`	`Kot: I can read the text, although it looks funny`
`10:16.43`	`KotCzarny`	`rst38h: i didn't know you know polish :)`
`10:16.53`	`RST38h`	`I know Russian, Polish is close enough`
`10:17.00`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`10:17.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:17.09`	`qwerty111`	`I don't know either, I have a Russian friend who helps me out :)`
`10:17.21`	`KotCzarny`	`now you can also nag rst ;)`
`10:18.31`	`qwerty111`	`hehe, I wish I knew something rather than just English. My aptitude for languages is appalling. I can't even speak my mother tongue anymore, just understand.`
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`10:23.44`	`aquatix`	`heh, some/most of these car clones even look better than the original`
`10:24.58`	`KotCzarny`	`i disagree`
`10:25.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`10:25.13`	`Atarii`	`thats crazy`
`10:25.28`	`Atarii`	`wonder how safe they are`
`10:25.45`	`KotCzarny`	`well, they are made according to china safety regulations`
`10:25.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`10:25.48`	`qwerty111`	`Not very, wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they were just welded.`
`10:25.50`	`Atarii`	`lol`
`10:25.59`	`KotCzarny`	`if it's safer or not..`
`10:26.16`	`KotCzarny`	`you would have to check the laws yourself :)`
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`10:39.10`	`RST38h`	`Atarii: They are not`
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`10:39.41`	`RST38h`	`The Chinese made a dubious achievement of producing cars that are less safe than LADA`
`10:40.57`	`qwerty111`	`How did they manage that? :P`
`10:40.57`	`qwerty111`	`http://englishrussia.com/?p=1208`
`10:41.18`	`RST38h`	`Chery Amulet Crash Test: http://crash-tests.net/crash-test.aspx?crash=cherry-amulet-2007&videoid=1`
`10:41.31`	`RST38h`	`(most of it is in russian, but check the picture and the video)`
`10:41.59`	`RST38h`	`if you are eating, you may want to pause before watching this`
`10:42.08`	`qwerty111`	`That is brutal`
`10:42.20`	`qwerty111`	`I've never seen a car do that.`
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`10:43.09`	`RST38h`	`The text says that yes, the body is welded...in a few places...`
`10:43.28`	`KotCzarny`	`well, passengers in the back seat look unhurt :>`
`10:43.36`	`qwerty111`	`http://englishrussia.com/?p=1518&wpcf7=json`
`10:44.51`	`RST38h`	`KotCzarny: Just like live ones! :)`
`10:45.00`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`10:45.32`	`KotCzarny`	`i think they haven't included airbags because they would kill the driver if he lived through the crash`
`10:45.40`	`RST38h`	`The 1518 one is an ad`
`10:46.38`	`qwerty111`	`Lol, looking on that site, I see you Russians are crazy with cars :p`
`10:46.53`	`RST38h`	`Just a popular posting topic`
`10:47.24`	`KotCzarny`	`russia has many citizens, internet is there too`
`10:47.38`	`KotCzarny`	`so it's normal to have some hobbysts`
`10:47.39`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`10:48.08`	`RST38h`	`Geely crash test and some deconstruction: http://crash-tests.net/crashtest-geely-otaka-ck-2007.aspx`
`10:48.35`	`RST38h`	`http://crash-tests.net/image.aspx?gal={8134A903-72B5}&id=120 <--- hehehe`
`10:50.40`	`aquatix`	`RST38h: holy crap`
`10:50.49`	`RST38h`	`yea, that is construction foam`
`10:51.48`	`RST38h`	`They have got a few more Chinese deathtraps tested, including some suv, but they all look pretty much the same`
`10:52.17`	`aquatix`	`was referring to that crash video, but indeed :)`
`10:53.11`	`KotCzarny`	`ok, bed time.`
`10:53.13`	`KotCzarny`	`bbl`
`10:53.16`	`aquatix`	`KotCzarny: cya`
`10:53.35`	`aquatix`	`construction foam in a car...`
`10:53.48`	`qwerty111`	`KotCzarny, nite`
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`10:54.13`	`qwerty111`	`http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nogc124.xml&reason=0`
`10:54.41`	`aquatix`	`hahahhaa`
`10:56.34`	`RST38h`	`that's not a log, that's a message`
`10:56.47`	`RST38h`	`s/log/logo`
`10:57.14`	`aquatix`	`Go fuck yourself'?
`10:58.01`	`qwerty111`	`I can't decide what's more funny. The Â£14,000 or the logo itself.`
`10:58.16`	`aquatix`	`both`
`10:58.20`	`qwerty111`	`http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2008/04/25/logo/oriente.gif`
`10:58.25`	`aquatix`	`but the Â£14,000 is also painful`
`10:58.25`	`qwerty111`	`"The Institute of Oriental Studies at Federal University of Santa Catarina in Brazil hastily withdrew their logo when they realised it could be seen as something other than a pagoda in front of a setting sun`
`10:58.25`	`qwerty111`	`"`
`10:58.41`	`aquatix`	`how on earth can logo's and web sites cost that much`
`10:58.55`	`aquatix`	`simple websites that do 4+ million dollar and such`
`10:59.16`	`lcuk`	`i dunno aquatix but i'll design your website for a small sum of £300,000`
`10:59.29`	`qwerty111`	`Bargin!`
`10:59.29`	`aquatix`	`haha`
`10:59.40`	`aquatix`	`designs websites himself, thank you very much ;)`
`10:59.46`	`RST38h`	`You pay for the piece of mind!`
`10:59.51`	`aquatix`	`but my university had some monster costing 4 million euro`
`10:59.57`	`aquatix`	`and only working in IE`
`11:00.08`	`lcuk`	`you're only jealous because they didn't accept your 5million tender`
`11:00.14`	`aquatix`	`didn't even work on the solaris machines and apples whole departments where full of then`
`11:00.24`	`aquatix`	`now, just baffled`
`11:00.27`	`RST38h`	`Just think of it, how much better you will feel if your name will be written in Courier by some highly respectable logo designers!`
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`11:31.08`	`qwerty12_N800`	`KotCzarny: I know you are asleep but if you see this msg later, i fixed my n800 xvkbd problem :). I had to disable Xinputextension I had enabled before for vnc hack :)`
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`11:35.36`	`lcuk`	`kot normally doesnt see messages after a while (something about his client, but that might have changed)`
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`11:52.35`	`lcuk`	`oh no! i have scratched my screen :O`
`11:52.51`	`qwerty12_N800`	`badly? :(`
`11:53.09`	`lcuk`	`badly enough that its not pristine :( i can feel it with stylus`
`11:53.49`	`lcuk`	`oh even more no., theres another`
`11:53.55`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Damn :(, I hate that. Did it to my ppc and it's always felt weird`
`11:54.23`	`qwerty12_N800`	`How did it get scratched?`
`11:55.20`	`lcuk`	`i dnno, 1 is tiny (about 1mm long) the other is quite long`
`11:55.28`	`lcuk`	`its odd because its not done anything different`
`11:55.52`	`lcuk`	`the bigger one actually looks worse - in the light it looks like the 2 sides dont meet properly - looks more like a crack`
`11:56.18`	`lcuk`	`im wondering if that happened when missus leant elbow on it`
`11:56.21`	`keesj`	`joy`
`11:56.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`shit :(, does the touch screen work properly in that area?`
`11:56.57`	`lcuk`	`ive been wonmdering why screen is a little less sensitive than usual`
`11:57.10`	`lcuk`	`seens to, just less sensitive to finger touch`
`11:57.46`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I once leant my elbow on my n800 and went to sleep`
`11:58.20`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Touchscreen stopped working but it started again after reboot.`
`11:58.30`	`lcuk`	`well missus was reading web and laid 810 down on desk infront of her and was just resting elbow on desk with chin on hand. apart from 810 was under elbow`
`11:58.51`	`lcuk`	`she aid the color went from my face`
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`12:09.30`	`aquatix`	`heh, can imagine`
`12:09.34`	`aquatix`	`sucks :/`
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`12:13.52`	`lcuk`	`gahhhhh (real work) im trying to read in formatted text in c - ive got 4 line formats which need parsing and scanf doesn't work as i hoped it would do (it segfaults) do i have to write a full parser just to get a bit of data into my file`
`12:13.57`	`lcuk`	`my program ^`
`12:15.38`	`lcuk`	`"begin [key]" "end" "[key] = [string]" "[key] = [number]" (with indenting)`
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`12:27.17`	`keesj`	`lcuk: probably yes :)`
`12:27.49`	`AStorm`	`lcuk: give us the scanf line`
`12:28.06`	`AStorm`	`btw, hello`
`12:28.25`	`aquatix`	`hey AStorm`
`12:29.10`	`lcuk`	`well this was first test, i used this and gave it about 40 variations of input data to see if it was stable, and it wasnt.. "%20s = %i"`
`12:29.54`	`AStorm`	`no no, full line`
`12:29.57`	`AStorm`	`not just the format`
`12:29.59`	`lcuk`	`it was the cases where input data had no spaces hence everything went into the %s leaving nothing for the %i`
`12:30.08`	`AStorm`	`I think you forgot to give the address of the int`
`12:30.30`	`AStorm`	`or allocate those 21 characters for string`
`12:30.59`	`lcuk`	`:D you are prob right :D ill pastebin anyway just for the hell`
`12:31.53`	`AStorm`	`it should be like char x[21]; int num; scanf("%20s = %i", &x, &i);`
`12:31.53`	`lcuk`	`http://pastebin.ca/998326`
`12:32.07`	`AStorm`	`if it's a malloced char*, then use just x`
`12:32.08`	`lcuk`	`yer i didnt supply the address`
`12:32.12`	`AStorm`	`:>`
`12:32.18`	`lcuk`	`i already did the 21`
`12:33.57`	`lcuk`	`w00t :) thanks astorm`
`12:34.14`	`lcuk`	`it doesnt parse most, but at least now i know where i was going wrong`
`12:34.35`	`AStorm`	`it won't eat multiple spaces`
`12:35.08`	`lcuk`	`no thats ok - ill just write out the file without`
`12:35.13`	`AStorm`	`ok`
`12:35.14`	`lcuk`	`i just need quick dirty format`
`12:35.31`	`lcuk`	`couldnt see the wood for the trees though`
`12:36.32`	`lcuk`	`it also wont end the string at the next token in the format`
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`12:46.35`	`AStorm`	`why should it?`
`12:48.46`	`lcuk`	`i expected it to continue the format when it encountered the next constant token from the format string, but that was just me being wildly optimistic`
`12:49.22`	`lcuk`	`ive spent too long using string formatting functions i wrote years ago which do that..`
`12:50.09`	`AStorm`	`heh`
`12:50.38`	`AStorm`	`I could try prism54usb driver`
`12:50.54`	`AStorm`	`is the wifi chip the same in N770 and N8x0?`
`12:51.10`	`AStorm`	`(there's a diff higher firmware, but that's no problem)`
`12:52.25`	`AStorm`	`nah, normal p54 should work`
`12:53.36`	`AStorm`	`yes, it has some SPI support too, and I've found mailing list info`
`12:54.06`	`AStorm`	`we could write a layer which converts those funny dbus messages into real wpa_supplicant and iwconfig calls`
`13:03.33`	`AStorm`	`hey, anyone alive`
`13:03.40`	`AStorm`	`where can I edit menu items?`
`13:03.43`	`AStorm`	`power menu`
`13:05.08`	`AStorm`	`I thought I uninstalled powerlaunch, hmm`
`13:07.51`	`johnx`	`I'm here. Check /etc/mce.ini maybe?`
`13:08.18`	`AStorm`	`nope`
`13:08.30`	`AStorm`	`weird, I uninstalled powerlaunch, yet it still starts`
`13:08.43`	`AStorm`	`and 2.6.25 doesn't boot, at all`
`13:08.47`	`AStorm`	`I wonder why`
`13:09.17`	`johnx`	`have you at least got it showing you a text console? or will it not even do that?`
`13:09.56`	`AStorm`	`no, nothing`
`13:10.00`	`AStorm`	`hang at Nokia logo`
`13:10.09`	`AStorm`	`even though fbcon is enabled`
`13:10.36`	`johnx`	`and you have fb console compiled in and OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=y or similar? (or are using fanoush's new initfs with that option)`
`13:11.07`	`AStorm`	`yes`
`13:11.12`	`AStorm`	`both`
`13:13.01`	`AStorm`	`I'll now try the mpu (junk) timer`
`13:13.48`	`AStorm`	`not the 32KHz which is used by nokia defconfig`
`13:14.17`	`AStorm`	`hrw\|gone: any help?`
`13:16.18`	`AStorm`	`I'll try booting the qemu-n800 with the kernel`
`13:16.21`	`AStorm`	`just to be sure`
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`13:20.29`	`AStorm`	`I need a serial console :P`
`13:21.16`	`johnx`	`if you have fbcon enabled and the "MANUAL_UPDATE" thing it should spam text as the kernel is decompressing...`
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`13:23.15`	`AStorm`	`nothing is happening`
`13:23.19`	`AStorm`	`I only get Nokia logo`
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`13:23.34`	`AStorm`	`it doesn't spam any text, although options are correct`
`13:24.25`	`johnx`	`and you tried the kernel in qemu?`
`13:24.51`	`johnx`	`you should be able to have it give you a "serial console" that outputs to the xterm you launch it from`
`13:25.30`	`AStorm`	`I'll try`
`13:25.44`	`AStorm`	`how do I mod the scratchbox' qemu to run it?`
`13:25.59`	`johnx`	`err? you don't I think`
`13:26.11`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hrw's qemu?`
`13:26.20`	`AStorm`	`qwerty12_N800: will that work on my Gentoo?`
`13:26.24`	`johnx`	`that's a "user mode" qemu, you need to use the qemu-system that hrw talked about`
`13:26.31`	`johnx`	`it should work on gentoo`
`13:26.33`	`AStorm`	`and where do I get that config.mtd`
`13:26.47`	`qwerty12_N800`	`AStorm: should do, u build it urself.`
`13:26.54`	`johnx`	`probably by breaking down a Nokia OS2008 release`
`13:26.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`From your n810`
`13:27.14`	`AStorm`	`qwerty12_N800: he said that the line he gave won't work`
`13:27.21`	`AStorm`	`so?`
`13:27.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`True, it won't boot fully but it should bbe enough for bootup kernel output.`
`13:28.10`	`qwerty12_N800`	`s/bbe/be/`
`13:28.35`	`AStorm`	`maybe`
`13:29.01`	`AStorm`	`argh`
`13:29.11`	`AStorm`	`my btrfs hung again, brb`
`13:29.18`	`AStorm`	`need to redo it`
`13:30.47`	`qwerty12_N800`	`goes back to freeing up space on my n800's /`
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`13:34.05`	`AStorm`	`might be that my toolchain is bad, that would be non-funny ;P`
`13:34.52`	`johnx`	`watches debian sid/armel install in qemu-system`
`13:35.30`	`qwerty12_N800`	`johnx: Does your debian armel port boot in qemu?`
`13:35.46`	`johnx`	`well, keep in mind it's not a port`
`13:35.46`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I really need to try it out.`
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`13:36.01`	`johnx`	`the only thing I've done is package up some other people's hacks`
`13:36.15`	`johnx`	`and make a nice tarball release that boots you into hildon-desktop`
`13:36.31`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Fair do's, I just consider everything (wrongly) to be a port.`
`13:37.01`	`johnx`	`well, basically what I'm saying is booting my "port" is the same as booting stock "armel debian" for all intents and purposes`
`13:37.12`	`qwerty12_N800`	`needs a new sd card & usb keyboard`
`13:37.16`	`johnx`	`for my virtual "compile box" I just use plain vanilla debian`
`13:37.23`	`qwerty12_N800`	`ok`
`13:38.13`	`johnx`	`and yes, stock vanilla debian boots nicely on a virtualized "versatile" ARM board in qemu`
`13:39.03`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Thanks, may as well try it out. atm, the qemu has non-working os2008.`
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`13:39.56`	`johnx`	`look here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto`
`13:40.08`	`johnx`	`page down to the qemu section`
`13:40.18`	`johnx`	`you might need to hunt down current versions of the files mentioned though`
`13:40.26`	`johnx`	`or mix and match, or something`
`13:40.59`	`qwerty12_N800`	`ah, thanks. I was going to mount jffs2 image and extract your tarball into it >.<`
`13:42.16`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I'd be interested in trying out angstrom and android if/when they get touchscreen issue sorted..`
`13:42.41`	`AStorm`	`hmm, doesnt work?`
`13:42.41`	`johnx`	`for android, I'd wait until google hands out the source`
`13:42.43`	`AStorm`	`"This architecture uses 134938624 bytes of memory"`
`13:42.50`	`AStorm`	`and nothing, just a blink`
`13:43.04`	`johnx`	`interesting`
`13:43.32`	`AStorm`	`-m 131 fixed that`
`13:43.37`	`AStorm`	`now, it crashes nicely ;P`
`13:43.42`	`johnx`	`woo!`
`13:43.47`	`johnx`	`with helpful messages?`
`13:43.48`	`AStorm`	`qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x00000004`
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`13:43.58`	`AStorm`	`very helpful full dump I can't read`
`13:44.18`	`AStorm`	`wait, now that I tried zImage`
`13:44.20`	`AStorm`	`it booted`
`13:44.24`	`johnx`	`qwerty12_N800, and for angstrom, well the source is out there. Everyone seems to wait until it's all nice and fixed. It's entirely possible that the fix is a trivial little misplaced file or wrong option in a config.`
`13:44.29`	`johnx`	`booted? woo!`
`13:44.30`	`AStorm`	`but only gave a white screen`
`13:44.38`	`AStorm`	`mipid_reset: Display off`
`13:44.38`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a0a8`
`13:44.38`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a0d8`
`13:44.38`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a108`
`13:44.38`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a138`
`13:44.39`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a168`
`13:44.41`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a198`
`13:44.43`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a1c8`
`13:44.45`	`AStorm`	`omap_gpio_module_write: Read-only register 0x4801a000`
`13:44.59`	`AStorm`	`I'll add some initfs`
`13:45.10`	`qwerty12_N800`	`AStorm: those may be part of broken qemu afaik`
`13:45.23`	`johnx`	`or part of some problem with .25`
`13:45.28`	`AStorm`	`:>`
`13:45.50`	`AStorm`	`I can try 2.6.21 first, to check`
`13:45.53`	`AStorm`	`then work upwards`
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`13:47.14`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Not to be skeptical and belittle your work but what benefits does .25 bring?`
`13:47.27`	`AStorm`	`mostly, CFS`
`13:47.35`	`johnx`	`ah`
`13:47.45`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Thanks`
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`13:48.48`	`AStorm`	`and Nokia is dumb for not enabling CFQ elevator ;>`
`13:48.52`	`AStorm`	`but that can be easily added`
`13:49.22`	`trickie`	`also kprobes for ARM`
`13:50.55`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I'd quite like to see kexec but I think fanoush will be working on that some time or other from what I saw in his post.`
`13:53.12`	`AStorm`	`trickie: ya`
`13:53.28`	`AStorm`	`kexec is more tricky, needs all devices to uninit nicely`
`13:53.40`	`AStorm`	`now testing 2.6.21-omap1 vs that qemu-system`
`13:55.09`	`AStorm`	`if I manage to get at least 2.6.23 to run, it will be great`
`13:55.20`	`AStorm`	`because porting from there on will be much easier`
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`14:07.09`	`term-sig`	`argh1`
`14:09.26`	`AStorm`	`argh^2`
`14:09.32`	`AStorm`	`did some work, then segfaulted ;)`
`14:10.05`	`AStorm`	`the original zImage worked`
`14:10.12`	`AStorm`	`my own 2.6.21-omap1 didn't`
`14:10.41`	`AStorm`	`maybe I need some patch?`
`14:11.16`	`johnx_`	`some patch? You're using Nokia's source, right?`
`14:11.48`	`AStorm`	`no, linux-omap branch`
`14:12.30`	`johnx_`	`ah, pull Nokia's and at least look at the patches`
`14:12.35`	`lcuk_lap`	`prepares to install scratchbox on laptop`
`14:12.41`	`AStorm`	`johnx_: well`
`14:12.43`	`AStorm`	`where?`
`14:13.06`	`johnx_`	`eh? in scratchbox do apt-cache search kernel`
`14:13.06`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lcuk_lap: good luck, this is my 3rd install... (my fault)`
`14:13.15`	`trickie`	`AStorm: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz`
`14:13.36`	`trickie`	`on top of the vanilla 2.6.21`
`14:13.37`	`trickie`	`IIRC`
`14:13.38`	`term-sig`	`AStorm: are u pl?`
`14:13.38`	`RST38h`	`All righty, iNES is running on the tablet`
`14:13.48`	`qwerty12_N800`	`RST38h: brilliant!`
`14:13.51`	`johnx_`	`cool`
`14:14.32`	`AStorm`	`trickie: but not on top of linux-omap :P`
`14:14.40`	`AStorm`	`term-sig: yes, what it's to you`
`14:14.55`	`term-sig`	`nothing. ;)`
`14:15.01`	`RST38h`	`Will take a few days to test and package it though...`
`14:15.48`	`trickie`	`AStorm: well some of it has been merged up to linux-omap, but not all i guess`
`14:29.24`	`AStorm`	`I can do hand merge, but it will be a lot of work`
`14:33.23`	`AStorm`	`older omap trees have broken mmc for example`
`14:34.07`	`fysa`	`prism is very nice for gmail/google reader. low memory footprint also (30mb) .. maybe once our browser is caught up.`
`14:36.06`	`RST38h`	`30MB is low? =)`
`14:36.20`	`fysa`	`compared to 130mb :)`
`14:36.37`	`RST38h`	`well, if you put it that way...`
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`15:08.46`	`Oniano`	`hi`
`15:08.55`	`johnx_`	`hello`
`15:08.56`	`Oniano`	`just got my N810 this morning`
`15:09.10`	`Oniano`	`are the Nokia repos down?`
`15:09.16`	`Oniano`	`cause i can't seem to install anything`
`15:09.48`	`johnx_`	`They appear to be up`
`15:09.58`	`johnx_`	`What are you trying to install?`
`15:09.59`	`Oniano`	`hmmm`
`15:10.01`	`Oniano`	`skype`
`15:10.18`	`johnx_`	`ah, I wonder what repo that's in...`
`15:10.36`	`qwerty12`	`Standard Nokia repo afaik (not extras)`
`15:10.44`	`Oniano`	`'Nokia Catalogue'`
`15:10.56`	`sp3000`	`catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel`
`15:11.15`	`qwerty12`	`http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/chinook/user/s/skype/`
`15:11.20`	`Oniano`	`i've enabled root and ssh etc`
`15:11.34`	`Oniano`	`so when i manually do an apt-get update`
`15:11.37`	`qwerty12`	`Nice work for a morning :)`
`15:11.48`	`qwerty12`	`what does "apt-get install skype" do?`
`15:12.20`	`qwerty12`	`If all else fails, grab all the packages (yes, all, I believe skype metapackage depends on all of them) from here: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/chinook/user/s/skype/`
`15:12.31`	`sp3000`	`or, alternately, check menu -> tools -> log in app manager`
`15:12.42`	`Oniano`	`couldn't stat source`
`15:12.51`	`Oniano`	`i've run apt-get update to try and fix it`
`15:13.07`	`Oniano`	`but it can't conenct to catalogue.tableteer....`
`15:13.28`	`qwerty12`	`Just grab the debs from the link I've given twice and dpkg it.`
`15:13.50`	`sp3000`	`Oniano: pastebin?`
`15:14.03`	`Oniano`	`well, that's a quickfix`
`15:14.37`	`Oniano`	`sp3000: what do you need to know?`
`15:14.45`	`Oniano`	`pastbin
`15:14.50`	`Oniano`	`pastebin
`15:15.15`	`sp3000`	`flavor of can't connect I suppose`
`15:15.53`	`Oniano`	`connection timed out`
`15:16.17`	`sp3000`	`what does the device's browser say about http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ?`
`15:17.15`	`Oniano`	`aha`
`15:17.22`	`Oniano`	`nslookup can't reslove it`
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`15:17.59`	`qwerty12`	`That's quite odd as my desktop can resolve it.`
`15:18.53`	`Oniano`	`yeh`
`15:18.55`	`Oniano`	`so can mine`
`15:19.19`	`sp3000`	`can you resolve other things on the tablet?`
`15:19.36`	`Oniano`	`yup`
`15:19.49`	`Oniano`	`actually no...`
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`15:20.40`	`Oniano`	`i can ping it`
`15:21.06`	`Oniano`	`right`
`15:21.07`	`qwerty12`	`I just tried apt-get install skype on my N800 OS2008 and it worked. (it started downloading at least)`
`15:21.14`	`Oniano`	`sorry for wasting your time`
`15:21.21`	`Oniano`	`a reboot has just fixed my problem`
`15:21.39`	`Oniano`	`i think i'll lurk around here still tho...`
`15:21.40`	`johnx`	`no worries :)`
`15:21.44`	`sp3000`	`wonders what wedged`
`15:21.50`	`Oniano`	`about to try and grab some frames from the camera`
`15:22.10`	`johnx`	`via usb?`
`15:23.27`	`Oniano`	`well, grab then send over wifi to a mothership`
`15:23.52`	`Oniano`	`the justification for the n810 was a tablet, video player for my commute`
`15:24.08`	`Oniano`	`+ a testing platform for this robot i have in mind`
`15:24.26`	`Oniano`	`cause it has nearly exactly the same spec as the gumstix which will eventually be in my robot`
`15:25.05`	`johnx`	`probably a good deal faster than the gumstix, though :)`
`15:25.27`	`Oniano`	`don't think so`
`15:25.48`	`johnx`	`xscale 270 @ 416MHz vs Omap2420 @ 400Mhz?`
`15:25.55`	`johnx`	`my money is on the omap2`
`15:26.08`	`Oniano`	`600Mhz`
`15:26.20`	`johnx`	`that would make up the difference I suppose`
`15:26.57`	`Oniano`	`i don't plan on doing much processing as such on the platform`
`15:27.23`	`Oniano`	`grab frames send to mothership for processing`
`15:27.43`	`AStorm`	`ok, I've ported some needed mmc patch`
`15:27.54`	`AStorm`	`now linux-omap 2.6.21 builds and seems to work`
`15:27.59`	`AStorm`	`I'll check on the live device`
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`15:28.05`	`qwerty12`	`Nice`
`15:28.06`	`lcuk`	`if this mothership is in orbit, could you have it blast the gps sats a little closer.. my gps is a bit flakey and needs a signal boost`
`15:28.19`	`Oniano`	`haha`
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`15:28.33`	`Oniano`	`i haven't tested it outside yet`
`15:28.43`	`RST38h`	`johnx: XScale will probably win`
`15:28.49`	`Oniano`	`it can't lock onto any sats despite being near 6ft windows`
`15:29.05`	`johnx`	`RST38h, at 600MHz, yeah maybe so`
`15:29.22`	`RST38h`	`Let's see if anybody tried comparing them...`
`15:29.23`	`johnx`	`with both at 400Mhz? well it depends on the task`
`15:29.26`	`qwerty12`	`I'll say XScale. Not knowing anything about them but I hate TI.`
`15:29.56`	`konttori`	`what are you guys talking about anyway?`
`15:29.58`	`RST38h`	`XScale is Intel (currently Marvell)`
`15:30.22`	`AStorm`	`hmm, still fail`
`15:30.28`	`johnx`	`RST38h, if you can give me a benchmark I'll run it for you. I have a pxa270 416MHz and an N800 sitting in front of me`
`15:30.40`	`RST38h`	`I am looking for a ready made comparison...`
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`15:31.34`	`konttori`	`xscale is owned by marvell (wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture)`
`15:31.47`	`AStorm`	`so something else essential for boot is in that patch`
`15:31.48`	`konttori`	`ah someone already said that. sorry`
`15:32.02`	`RST38h`	`Here is a slightly outdated test`
`15:32.27`	`RST38h`	`iPAQ h2210 (400MHz PXA255) vs HTC Hurricane (195MHz OMAP1)`
`15:32.48`	`RST38h`	`XScale: 8.8 milliseconds to load jpeg thumbnail, OMAP: 15.1 milliseconds`
`15:32.56`	`qwerty12`	`AStorm, the Nokia patch? Have you looked at nokia's nokia_2420_defconfig .config file?`
`15:33.06`	`qwerty12`	`too. may be something good in that.`
`15:33.08`	`AStorm`	`I used it`
`15:33.13`	`AStorm`	`so, that's not just it`
`15:33.25`	`RST38h`	`Oh yeeessss:`
`15:33.26`	`RST38h`	`http://pantosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/gxbench.gif`
`15:33.27`	`qwerty12`	`Ah. Here I was hoping :/`
`15:33.29`	`RST38h`	`Enjoy`
`15:34.09`	`johnx`	`the -2- is important in omap`
`15:34.32`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`15:34.37`	`RST38h`	`Looking for a newer chart`
`15:34.44`	`AStorm`	`and 400MHz vs 200MHz ;P`
`15:34.59`	`RST38h`	`Here is the benchmark, if anybody wants to run it: http://www.int13.net/gxmark.htm`
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`15:35.22`	`johnx`	`only linux here :P`
`15:35.30`	`RST38h`	`thought so`
`15:35.35`	`qwerty12`	`My PPC is dead :/`
`15:37.05`	`MangoFusion`	`which reminds me, really need to sell my axim!`
`15:38.00`	`johnx`	`RST38h, dhrystone mips acceptable? both devices running Debian/armel?`
`15:38.19`	`RST38h`	`yea`
`15:38.25`	`RST38h`	`dhrystone will do`
`15:38.37`	`RST38h`	`Unfortunately, I can't even find this kind of comparison`
`15:38.52`	`RST38h`	`Almost like the manufacturers kill everybody who tries doing a ocmparison`
`15:39.07`	`johnx`	`well I'll take that risk :D`
`15:39.25`	`qwerty12`	`Wait, my contractors are calling me...`
`15:39.30`	`johnx`	`also, realize that I'm not biased given that I use both devices. I don't really care which one "wins"`
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`15:39.49`	`RST38h`	`neither do I really`
`15:40.08`	`RST38h`	`But it is still an interesting comparison to make`
`15:40.12`	`johnx`	`seat-o-the pants meter says the OMAP2 is a bunch faster though`
`15:41.43`	`johnx`	`actually, I'll be glad to know the answer to this one as well. :)`
`15:42.32`	`woodwizzle`	`Anyone here put on a screen protector?`
`15:42.42`	`RST38h`	`A board manufacturer rates 400MHz XScale PXA255 at 480MIPS (Dhrystone 2.1)`
`15:42.53`	`woodwizzle`	`I'm reading some instructions, and it tells me to remove the faceplate first. How do I get it off?`
`15:43.39`	`johnx`	`woodwizzle, n800?`
`15:43.50`	`woodwizzle`	`yup`
`15:44.15`	`johnx`	`http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2007/05/n800-faceplate.html`
`15:44.25`	`johnx`	`that's the guide I followed`
`15:44.59`	`woodwizzle`	`thanks`
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`15:46.22`	`RST38h`	`Anybody got dhrystone results for S60 devices?`
`15:47.35`	`johnx`	`installs build-essential on zaurus`
`15:48.16`	`johnx`	`... and N800/Debian`
`15:50.39`	`Italodance`	`HI :D`
`15:51.57`	`AStorm`	`hmm`
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`15:52.16`	`AStorm`	`could someone give me reference build of N8x0 2.6.21 kernel?`
`15:52.26`	`lopz`	`hola`
`15:52.29`	`AStorm`	`not grabbed from the device, built`
`15:52.32`	`AStorm`	`lopz: hello`
`15:52.58`	`lopz`	`heya AStorm !`
`15:53.03`	`qwerty12`	`AStorm, I can give you link to one but it has case_copy symbol exported.`
`15:53.04`	`qwerty12`	`lopz, hi`
`15:53.12`	`lopz`	`;]`
`15:53.12`	`AStorm`	`qwerty12: what is that symbol?`
`15:53.23`	`AStorm`	`I have no problem with some add. symbol`
`15:53.23`	`qwerty12`	`No idea, I needed it for building union-fs`
`15:53.25`	`AStorm`	`ah`
`15:53.31`	`AStorm`	`ok, do you have the .config too?`
`15:53.37`	`Oniano`	`hmmm`
`15:53.40`	`AStorm`	`and does it have fbcon?`
`15:53.41`	`Oniano`	`still having the problem`
`15:53.54`	`qwerty12`	`I needed no config to go with that symbol. and no fbcon, it's stock kernel with that symbol added.`
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`15:54.58`	`AStorm`	`hm`
`15:55.11`	`AStorm`	`I want to check if it'd boot on N810`
`15:56.16`	`qwerty12`	`here is the one I built - http://www.mediafire.com/?byzz1y9ojmf - stock with case copy. if nothing uses case_copy, it shouldn't affect anything.`
`15:56.32`	`qwerty12`	`I'd build a stock one right now but my scratchbox is messing me around.`
`15:58.22`	`AStorm`	`ok`
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`16:02.14`	`AStorm`	`hmm, n800 kernel worked`
`16:02.44`	`AStorm`	`at least go to Booting screen :>`
`16:02.48`	`qwerty12`	`N800 and N810 kernel are identical. According to what I've read and pieced out from the help screens.`
`16:02.53`	`AStorm`	`hm`
`16:03.08`	`AStorm`	`So I'll probably have to dig into that patchset`
`16:03.18`	`AStorm`	`maybe do a full tree diff`
`16:03.35`	`AStorm`	`vs linux-omap`
`16:03.38`	`AStorm`	`see what's missing`
`16:04.29`	`qwerty12`	`Probably a lot. I really hate those TI idiots.`
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`16:07.11`	`AStorm`	`well, it's Nokia's fault IMO`
`16:07.25`	`AStorm`	`they didn't push out their nice patches in nice segmented form to linux-omap`
`16:08.13`	`AStorm`	`Fortunately, I can probably diff linux-omap-2.6.21 vs nokia variant`
`16:08.22`	`AStorm`	`then port the changes to 2.6.25`
`16:08.35`	`qwerty12`	`But I hate TI for their crappy wireless chipset which has no linux drivers. I'm stuck with ndiswrapper. And they say ". TI has a strong history of delivering Linux solutions"`
`16:08.38`	`qwerty12`	`Tossers.`
`16:08.39`	`AStorm`	`right now I'm testing if the normal kernel built will work`
`16:08.40`	`RST38h`	`AStorm <--- now got REALLY involved =)`
`16:09.01`	`AStorm`	`RST38h: not yet`
`16:09.06`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: show we remember the AGPS chip too? :)`
`16:09.22`	`AStorm`	`qwerty12: can't you try p54?`
`16:09.33`	`AStorm`	`ah, you mean that ACXxxx?`
`16:09.36`	`AStorm`	`there is a driver too`
`16:09.44`	`qwerty12`	`AStorm, it doesn't support my card :)`
`16:09.46`	`qwerty12`	`RST38h, indeed :)`
`16:09.57`	`AStorm`	`TI devices nowadays are usually acx1(0/1)0 or p54`
`16:10.51`	`AStorm`	`ok, my built kernel work`
`16:10.54`	`AStorm`	`*works`
`16:11.02`	`AStorm`	`including FB`
`16:11.04`	`qwerty12`	`kl`
`16:11.09`	`AStorm`	`but, wait`
`16:11.19`	`AStorm`	`I've got a black screen with a _ on it ;P`
`16:11.29`	`AStorm`	`after it booted ;P`
`16:11.37`	`qwerty12`	`This is the best FB implementation I've seen :p`
`16:12.06`	`AStorm`	`and the watchdog killed the device`
`16:12.25`	`qwerty12`	`:(. Any chance of getting a syslog?`
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`16:12.43`	`AStorm`	`possible`
`16:12.54`	`AStorm`	`it gets to initfs, so I should be able to ssh in`
`16:13.07`	`lcuk`	`..quickly..`
`16:13.14`	`AStorm`	`or is it?`
`16:13.20`	`RST38h`	`Could somebody enlighten me on why Ubuntu shipped FireFox3b with the latest distribution?`
`16:13.40`	`qwerty12`	`RST38h, no idea but I love it :p`
`16:13.52`	`qwerty12`	`When final comes out, it's supposed to be another update.`
`16:14.03`	`AStorm`	`I'll add cramfs instead`
`16:14.07`	`johnx`	`RST38h, because they don't want to switch major versions in the middle of maintaiing a stable release`
`16:14.09`	`lcuk`	`RST38h, general feeling is that since its a long term support offering they would rather support ff3 for 5 years than be struggling keeping oldest version running for that long`
`16:14.12`	`AStorm`	`or build the initfs in`
`16:14.13`	`RST38h`	`it's halfbaked`
`16:14.19`	`RST38h`	`oh`
`16:14.25`	`RST38h`	`that's why`
`16:14.37`	`johnx`	`the figure better halfbaked for a couple weeks then no security updates for a year or two`
`16:14.40`	`lcuk`	`still think its wrong`
`16:15.07`	`lcuk`	`personally, for a lts it would be better to include no default browser and force the user to decide, but thats not very friendly`
`16:15.29`	`qwerty12`	`Yep, I always though ies4linux should be an option... :p`
`16:15.40`	`qwerty12`	`s/though/thought/`
`16:15.40`	`johnx`	`lcuk, yeah, a browser is definitely an expected part of an OS these days`
`16:15.47`	`lcuk`	`well im gonna wait for Ubuntu SP1 before updating :)`
`16:15.58`	`AStorm`	`drat, my initfs is oh so slightly too big ;)`
`16:16.09`	`johnx`	`they'll have debs for ff3 final within a day or two of release I bet`
`16:16.21`	`lcuk`	`AStorm, initf? intfs? nitfs?`
`16:16.31`	`johnx`	`RST38h, btw, I got dhrystone to compile and run and at 10,000,000 runs through the xscale and omap2 are showing exactly the same result`
`16:16.41`	`qwerty12`	`nitfs has quite a nice ring to it.`
`16:16.46`	`AStorm`	`lcuk: hehehehe, well, it is too large to attack to the kernel`
`16:16.52`	`johnx`	`I'll give them more iterations to go through and head off to bed`
`16:17.39`	`lcuk`	`johnx, something sounds screwy, ive never seen identical benchmark results on the same amchine let alone on 2 diff cpus..`
`16:17.45`	`AStorm`	`ok, my initfs booted nicely`
`16:17.52`	`AStorm`	`and I'm in the shell`
`16:17.57`	`johnx`	`lcuk, I think the sample set is too small`
`16:18.16`	`johnx`	`at 1m runs through they showed disturbingly round numbers`
`16:18.47`	`johnx`	`anyways, dhrystone is pretty basic and doesn't take advantage of many fancy "new-cpu" features IE, anything that was invented after 1990`
`16:18.52`	`AStorm`	`ok, watchdog rebooted me`
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`16:18.55`	`AStorm`	`have to disable that`
`16:19.35`	`flavioribeiro`	hi all, im trying to execute maemo-sdk-install script in my fedora distro and i got this error; Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
`16:19.47`	`johnx`	`sleeps`
`16:19.49`	`qwerty12`	`flavioribeiro, same problem as me this morning :)`
`16:19.51`	`qwerty12`	`wait a sec.`
`16:20.02`	`flavioribeiro`	`okay`
`16:20.15`	`qwerty12`	`sudo -i and echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled :)`
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`16:20.41`	`qwerty12`	`you can add vdso=0 to grub/lilo kernel line to make it set on boot.`
`16:20.54`	`qwerty12`	`Or you can recompile kernel with COMPAT_VDSO. (Long method)`
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`16:21.04`	`flavioribeiro`	`cool, good man. thanks a lot :]`
`16:21.17`	`qwerty12`	`np`
`16:21.59`	`AStorm`	`ok, how do I disable the watchdog?`
`16:22.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`flasher`
`16:22.11`	`AStorm`	`(except removing it from the kernel)`
`16:22.12`	`qwerty12`	`use the watchdog rd-mode flag in flasher-3.0`
`16:22.17`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
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`16:23.01`	`Oniano`	`hmmm`
`16:23.06`	`Oniano`	`this will have to wait until another day`
`16:24.34`	`AStorm`	`ok,, rd-mode didn't help`
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`16:24.42`	`AStorm`	`watchdog killed the device just fine ;P`
`16:24.58`	`qwerty12`	`watchdog is a separate flag`
`16:24.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You didn't set the flags correctly.`
`16:25.34`	`AStorm`	`which flag?`
`16:25.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags`
`16:25.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Gives you the help.`
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`16:25.58`	`AStorm`	`ah, that one`
`16:26.52`	`AStorm`	`the flasher doesn't want to do anything if I give it that parameter`
`16:26.57`	`flavioribeiro`	`qwerty12, all i need to do is put ' vdso=0 ' in kernel line on menu.lst?`
`16:27.05`	`qwerty12`	`Yes`
`16:27.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset etc`
`16:27.26`	`flavioribeiro`	`ok`
`16:27.37`	`qwerty12`	`My one looks like this (for example) = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=17a11b78-1e88-4e97-9dea-68de3a2baea8 vdso=0 ro splash`
`16:27.39`	`AStorm`	`=`
`16:27.41`	`AStorm`	`ahha`
`16:28.04`	`AStorm`	`no-omap-wd should work too`
`16:28.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You may need a combination of all three.`
`16:28.41`	`AStorm`	`no-omap-wd is the top one I think`
`16:28.45`	`qwerty12`	`They seem to be different things.`
`16:28.47`	`AStorm`	`retu-wd isn't used`
`16:28.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes, they're all different`
`16:29.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm not sure exactly what each one covers, though.`
`16:29.03`	`qwerty12`	`no-lifeguard-reset disables lifeguard process.`
`16:29.16`	`AStorm`	`qwerty12: lifeguard process isn't there`
`16:29.27`	`AStorm`	`wait, no-omap-wd didn't work ;)`
`16:29.31`	`qwerty12`	`no-omap-wd & no-retu-wd are odd. omap and retu are both hardware.`
`16:29.43`	`qwerty12`	`retu is the main one afaik.`
`16:30.09`	`AStorm`	`yes`
`16:30.17`	`AStorm`	`no, omap is the main one :-)`
`16:30.41`	`AStorm`	`funny, the modifiers of the keyboard aren't bound in the kernel`
`16:30.44`	`qwerty12`	`Hehe true. But I'm thinking in terms of controlling the system (power, cpu rate etc)`
`16:31.03`	`AStorm`	`I mean, Fn`
`16:32.51`	`AStorm`	`hmm`
`16:33.39`	`AStorm`	`Nokia was really afraid that something would go wrong`
`16:33.49`	`AStorm`	`two watchdogs, lol ;)`
`16:34.04`	`RST38h`	`It's a standard practice`
`16:34.15`	`RST38h`	`Returns are really bad for business`
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`16:34.23`	`AStorm`	`but why two?`
`16:34.33`	`RST38h`	`In case the first one fails! =)`
`16:34.34`	`qwerty12`	`hehe`
`16:34.35`	`AStorm`	`uhm, I've disabled all of them, yet the device still reboots ;)`
`16:34.49`	`qwerty12`	`AStorm, it probably isn't watchdong then ;)`
`16:34.52`	`RST38h`	`Mayube there is a third one ;)`
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`16:34.54`	`AStorm`	`it is`
`16:35.05`	`AStorm`	`no, I think the kernel has that watchdog enabled anyway`
`16:35.09`	`RST38h`	`Made specially for this kind of tampering by a user`
`16:35.13`	`qwerty12`	`Have you got a syslog that you can check?`
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`16:36.05`	`AStorm`	`I do, but I don't have SSH here yet, maybe`
`16:36.06`	`AStorm`	`wait`
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`16:36.19`	`AStorm`	`to set that up by hand, I need time ;P`
`16:36.56`	`Ziegler`	`is there currently a way to have ogg suport in canola AND voip google talk working at the same time?`
`16:37.09`	`qwerty12`	`Ziegler, I read you can delete speex codec.`
`16:37.11`	`AStorm`	`I want that first thing ;)`
`16:37.33`	`AStorm`	`hmmm`
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`16:37.39`	`AStorm`	`no space for dropbear`
`16:37.47`	`qwerty12`	`http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.4_armel.deb`
`16:37.52`	`qwerty12`	`^^ for canola`
`16:37.59`	`qwerty12`	`install kulve's ogg-support first`
`16:38.14`	`AStorm`	`I have that?`
`16:38.26`	`AStorm`	`and yet it doesn't work ;>`
`16:38.28`	`qwerty12`	`and remove speex codec from gstreamer directory to get voip working in theory`
`16:38.39`	`qwerty12`	`AStorm, I haven't actually tried it out yet.`
`16:38.41`	`AStorm`	`hm`
`16:38.51`	`AStorm`	`I need to get real initfs bootup`
`16:38.52`	`qwerty12`	`I'll put an ogg on there and see if Canola works.`
`16:39.35`	`Ziegler`	`qwert... all I have to do is delete speex?`
`16:40.00`	`Ziegler`	`interesting... let me try to find it`
`16:40.06`	`qwerty12`	`Ziegler, Yes, in theory.`
`16:40.10`	`Ziegler`	`I have ogg and canola working`
`16:40.22`	`qwerty12`	`I think it's in /usr/lib/gstreamer<something here>`
`16:40.27`	`AStorm`	`what's funny is that fanoush' initfs doesn't do anything to disable watchdog`
`16:40.40`	`qwerty12`	`It's not meant to.`
`16:40.50`	`Ziegler`	`lightmediascanner0-ogg was the most difficult to get a hold of`
`16:41.26`	`Ziegler`	`I have it if anyone needs it`
`16:42.28`	`Ziegler`	`if I rename libstspeex.so.. will that do it?`
`16:42.39`	`Ziegler`	`"in theory:`
`16:42.40`	`Ziegler`	`"`
`16:42.45`	`qwerty12`	`I swear to God, scratchbox is fucking pissing me off.`
`16:42.48`	`qwerty12`	`Should do.`
`16:44.19`	`Ziegler`	`worked`
`16:44.23`	`Ziegler`	`ok... now my question`
`16:44.26`	`Ziegler`	`why does it work`
`16:44.42`	`Ziegler`	`doesnt gtalk need it for voip?`
`16:45.00`	`qwerty12`	`No, it gets installed as part of ogg-support. It wasn't installed before.`
`16:45.16`	`Ziegler`	`why does it cause problems with gtalk?`
`16:45.31`	`Ziegler`	`(curious is all)`
`16:45.40`	`qwerty12`	`Can't remember. Check the IRC logs for the why.`
`16:45.45`	`Ziegler`	`danke`
`16:46.23`	`Ziegler`	`Astorm... do you want lightmediascanner0-ogg ?`
`16:47.02`	`AStorm`	`Ziegler: sure, but in a while`
`16:47.10`	`AStorm`	`hmm`
`16:47.16`	`AStorm`	`dsme is starting init`
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`16:47.22`	`AStorm`	`I need single mode ;)`
`16:47.33`	`AStorm`	`but, one plus - cramfs initfs works`
`16:47.38`	`Ziegler`	`(I just got ogg support and canola working about 10 minutes ago... fairly simple process)`
`16:47.48`	`qwerty12`	`Hmm cramfs would be nice. My router uses cramfs.`
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`16:53.34`	`AStorm`	`ok, maybe now I'm lucky and wd won't kill me`
`16:53.42`	`AStorm`	`with dsme running in the background`
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`17:01.26`	`qwerty12`	`is currently purging my system of all scratchbox stuff. if it still doesn't work, i'm installing opensuse.`
`17:04.23`	`qwerty12`	`Bye.`
`17:09.41`	`AStorm`	`hm`
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`17:09.51`	`AStorm`	`I can't type numbers...`
`17:10.04`	`AStorm`	`how am I supposed to set up an interface w/o numbers? ;)`
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`17:26.06`	`Ziegler`	`astorm... I put my canola ogg info here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175027#post175027`
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`17:35.19`	`AStorm`	`uhm, what's the password to fanoush' initfs? ;P`
`17:35.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`For dropbear?`
`17:35.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`rootme`
`17:35.53`	`AStorm`	`ah, thx`
`17:36.26`	`AStorm`	`hmm, dropbear doesn't support sftp, let's see if it knows scp`
`17:36.52`	`elb`	`scp doesn't require any extra protocol junk`
`17:37.03`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
`17:37.04`	`elb`	`(so if it has an scp binary, it should)`
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`17:38.07`	`AStorm`	`yup, got dmesg in :>`
`17:40.58`	`AStorm`	`ah, forgot to mount /dev/pty ;)`
`17:41.16`	`AStorm`	`uhm, /dev/pts`
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`18:04.54`	`trickie`	`well my 2.6.25-omap1+hacks kernel seems to boot on my n800`
`18:05.02`	`trickie`	`it all goes terribly wrong after that :)`
`18:05.39`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Same probs as AStorm :)?`
`18:06.09`	`trickie`	`i need to make a new initfs i reckon`
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`18:16.22`	`AStorm`	`nah, mine didn' boot ;)`
`18:16.38`	`AStorm`	`trickie: care to gimme the .config?`
`18:16.53`	`AStorm`	`trickie: and the descripion of hacks`
`18:17.26`	`trickie`	`AStorm: try a nokia800_defconfig and then disable the V4L drivers`
`18:17.57`	`AStorm`	`nah, that didn't work on my n810;)`
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`18:18.13`	`trickie`	`i have a n800`
`18:18.23`	`trickie`	`and im doing it for mamona`
`18:18.25`	`trickie`	`using OE`
`18:18.29`	`trickie`	`and bitbake`
`18:18.38`	`qwerty12_N800`	`does 2420 defconfig work?`
`18:20.48`	`b0unc3_`	`guys is there any way to estimate the battery life (in days/hours) on a 770 ?`
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`18:32.06`	`AStorm`	`qwerty12_N800: here with 2.6.21-nokia it does`
`18:32.14`	`AStorm`	`but not with standard 2.6.21-omap1`
`18:32.20`	`AStorm`	`and neither with 2.6.25-omap1`
`18:32.36`	`AStorm`	`I'll try it once more`
`18:32.51`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Ah, I wonder what differences are.`
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`18:39.53`	`lcuk`	`bangs head on wall. damned graphics drivers wont work properly on lap`
`18:41.32`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lcuk: which card?`
`18:41.52`	`lcuk`	`nvidia go 420`
`18:42.21`	`qwerty12_N800`	`You are on Ubuntu right?`
`18:42.28`	`lcuk`	`ive jumped through plenty of hoops to get it partway there (ie9--*6--) but i cant get above`
`18:42.30`	`lcuk`	`yer`
`18:42.41`	`lcuk`	`800*600`
`18:43.16`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Have you tried "envy" to install the drivers? Sorry, if it was ati, I could have tried to help more.`
`18:44.11`	`lcuk`	`nothing ive searched for re this laptop mentioned envy but i will give it a try`
`18:44.49`	`lcuk`	`has been told to modify edid files and stand on one leg and all sorts of things`
`18:44.54`	`qwerty12_N800`	`It's an easy installer, it grabs the drivers from nvidia and compiles them etc`
`18:45.27`	`lcuk`	`i think its all installed from that department, but i fear its the lcd at the far side - originally the card starts up thinking the tv out is primary`
`18:45.47`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I had to make a new xorg.conf to get my radeon express to work :/`
`18:46.04`	`lcuk`	`through the big long x config wizard thingy`
`18:46.09`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Tried adding a resolution manually to xorg.conf?`
`18:46.16`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk`
`18:46.21`	`KotCzarny`	`i think you have to disable any modes`
`18:46.29`	`KotCzarny`	`and let x setup mode itself`
`18:46.31`	`KotCzarny`	`afair`
`18:46.41`	`KotCzarny`	`nv drivers were touchy in that place`
`18:46.43`	`flavioribeiro`	`it seems repository.maemo.org is down :(`
`18:46.56`	`flavioribeiro`	`can anyone from another country try to access to confirm it?`
`18:47.02`	`lcuk`	`i did that the other day kot, still no luck getting it up above 800`
`18:47.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`You could add the resolution manually into xorg.conf and set it and hope for the best :/`
`18:48.16`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk, see the x.log ?`
`18:48.31`	`KotCzarny`	`(or pastebin.com it)`
`18:48.34`	`lcuk`	`flavioribeiro, repo server works but the application on it appears broken`
`18:48.38`	`lcuk`	`kot, where do i find it`
`18:48.46`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:48.48`	`KotCzarny`	`erm`
`18:48.52`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:50.22`	`lcuk_lap`	`argh i can see exactly 1 line of irc from here, will grab file`
`18:50.38`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lcuk_lap: you may want to grab xchat :/`
`18:50.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:50.58`	`lcuk`	`i will once i have a screen big enough to see windows in`
`18:51.10`	`lcuk`	`at the moment the fonts are visible from orbit`
`18:52.09`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hehe, I had problem with supplied ubuntu ati drivers. brightness was blinding...`
`18:53.33`	`keesj`	`qwerty12_N800: idem here with my acer and 8.4`
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`18:54.58`	`qwerty12_N800`	`keesj: They never fixed it in 8.4 :(. I had the problem in 7.10. earlier versions worked better out of box on the graphic front`
`18:56.18`	`lcuk`	`http://pastebin.ca/998623`
`18:56.40`	`lcuk`	`ow i can even see it on here as well!`
`18:57.11`	`KotCzarny`	`(II) NVIDIA(0): Built-in logo is bigger than the screen.`
`18:57.12`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`18:57.27`	`trickie`	`AStorm: with the n800_defconfig for 2.6.25 you need to enable all the TSC2301 related options`
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`18:57.54`	`lcuk`	`yer kot i wondered why i couldnt see anything :(`
`18:58.04`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Oh yeah, nvidia shows that startup logo. i disabled it on my od comp`
`18:58.11`	`qwerty12_N800`	`s/od/old/`
`18:58.27`	`trickie`	`AStorm: at least that re-enables the dpad for me, and lets me shutdown from the initfs bootmenu when booting to flash dies`
`18:58.30`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lol, my old comp wasn't high :p`
`18:58.39`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`18:58.53`	`KotCzarny`	`this log seems too short`
`18:59.02`	`lcuk`	`i might just disable the whole lot and go back to onboard graphics, but it tears so much`
`18:59.41`	`KotCzarny`	`it's a pc?`
`18:59.44`	`lcuk`	`there is an old one from 30 seconds before which is just slightly larger but i assume thats just from last boot`
`18:59.51`	`lcuk`	`tosh laptop`
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`19:00.09`	`KotCzarny`	`2 vid cards?`
`19:00.11`	`KotCzarny`	`o.o`
`19:00.21`	`lcuk`	`shouldnt have?`
`19:00.28`	`KotCzarny`	`<lcuk> i might just disable the whole lot and go back to onboard graphics`
`19:00.38`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I'd just take a punt and backup xorg.conf and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set resolutions and correct nvidia driver. But I guess that's why i don't have much luck...`
`19:00.44`	`lcuk`	`*driver`
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`19:00.56`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. how have created x config?`
`19:01.28`	`lcuk`	`this was how it was installed after running on the live disk and wiping windows`
`19:01.38`	`lcuk`	`:$ i tell ya all every day im a n00b`
`19:01.45`	`KotCzarny`	`you can try X -configure`
`19:01.54`	`KotCzarny`	`that will generate base x config in /root`
`19:01.56`	`keesj`	`qwerty12_N800: be a men an ssh from your device to your x server`
`19:02.12`	`KotCzarny`	`backup one in /etc/X11 and copy newly created there`
`19:02.34`	`lcuk`	`you know what. im gonna take a chance on something.`
`19:02.36`	`qwerty12_N800`	`keesj: Maybe :p`
`19:02.39`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`19:02.46`	`lcuk`	`im gonna get 8.4 and reinstall from scratch nice and clean`
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`19:03.40`	`lcuk`	`and if that fails im not even gonna attempt to do anything else serious and just stick windows and vmware on`
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`19:03.46`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`19:03.52`	`qwerty12_N800`	`nah`
`19:03.52`	`qwerty12_N800`	`at least dpkg-reconfig before that then`
`19:03.53`	`KotCzarny`	`i can try configuring it`
`19:03.59`	`KotCzarny`	`if you let me in`
`19:04.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`19:04.07`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hack`
`19:04.32`	`lcuk`	`is there such a thing as a reverse ssh session? ie one that i initiate`
`19:04.48`	`doc\|work`	`lcuk: eh?`
`19:04.50`	`KotCzarny`	`you can port forward with ssh`
`19:05.17`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lcuk: remote assistance on the mind? :p`
`19:05.18`	`doc\|work`	`even though you said it all wrong, I think you might be looking for autossh`
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`19:05.58`	`lcuk`	`qwerty12_N800, not far off - we use listening vnc connections to clients behind all sorts of security`
`19:06.06`	`KotCzarny`	`(and it will go down when you close forwarding ssh session)`
`19:07.06`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lcuk: Interesting, i've never used vnc much except server on n800 and the time I was messing up teachers comps during lessons...`
`19:08.15`	`Atarii`	`naughty`
`19:08.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Hehe, we had a great time. I was sorely temped to press enter after typing goatse...`
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`19:15.51`	`trickie`	`AStorm: http://paste-it.net/public/a40293b/`
`19:16.29`	`qwerty12_N800`	`muhahaha`
`19:16.29`	`KotCzarny`	`nice`
`19:16.42`	`KotCzarny`	`now we need some benchmarks`
`19:16.43`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`19:16.44`	`trickie`	`AStorm: at least ssh running from fanoush's intifs`
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`19:17.05`	`trickie`	`booting to flash or mmc is stuffed, but thats for tomorrow :)`
`19:17.11`	`trickie`	`now it is beer o'clock`
`19:17.21`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hehe`
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`19:34.48`	`flo_lap`	`re`
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`19:38.20`	`enn800`	`man i'm really annoyed with the sdict people, their wikipedia.dct download has problems`
`19:38.49`	`enn800`	`i've been trying to dld the 3 files for about a week now thinking it's my connection`
`19:39.04`	`KotCzarny`	`try some dl2mail service?`
`19:39.06`	`KotCzarny`	`or proxy?`
`19:39.42`	`enn800`	`well it craps out about 75% in the dld`
`19:39.48`	`KotCzarny`	`use wget ?`
`19:40.03`	`enn800`	`can't because they use php to dld`
`19:40.14`	`KotCzarny`	`heh, anything is doable`
`19:40.31`	`enn800`	`with captcha`
`19:40.37`	`KotCzarny`	`still.`
`19:40.41`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Use flashget in ff with wget`
`19:40.50`	`KotCzarny`	`link should be valid for some time after entering captcha`
`19:40.51`	`AStorm`	`trickie: the initfs in kernel, or on init partition?`
`19:42.21`	`AStorm`	`enn800: I think they have too short timeout`
`19:42.38`	`AStorm`	`you need to use some downloader which allows resuming`
`19:42.41`	`enn800`	`yeah, for the size of the file`
`19:43.41`	`AStorm`	`trickie: is it 2.6.25-omap1 tag, or latest git?`
`19:44.26`	`trickie`	`AStorm: tag`
`19:44.30`	`enn800`	`i have 1.6 Gb in .part files :/`
`19:48.05`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
`19:49.46`	`enn800`	`if i get those files i'll put them on my server`
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`19:54.06`	`enn800`	`i guess i should've looked for other options, just found this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=75555&postcount=10`
`19:54.07`	`cwillu`	`is there any sftp browser available?`
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`20:06.16`	`lcuk`	`heh youngest is looking for his lightning mcqueen car. hes roaming the house calling his name`
`20:06.46`	`KotCzarny`	`does it come when called?`
`20:06.48`	`KotCzarny`	`o.O`
`20:07.35`	`lcuk`	`you would think, i just told him he wont answer and he answered back that he would..`
`20:07.36`	`enn800`	`bought premium membership for megupload`
`20:07.52`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`20:07.59`	`KotCzarny`	`enn800: you were manipulated then :/`
`20:08.08`	`qwerty12_N800`	`rapidshare and router reset for me`
`20:08.13`	`enn800`	`i lost patience`
`20:08.15`	`cwillu`	`I think this is the part of the movie where the kid goes and complains to his magic car about how nobody believes him`
`20:08.23`	`MangoFusion`	`you are seriously`
`20:08.24`	`MangoFusion`	`crazy`
`20:08.48`	`KotCzarny`	`enn, will you give me money too if i annoy you long enough? :>`
`20:09.02`	`lcuk`	`its right, we had a fight earlier about him putting back on his dirty scanky tea encrusted tshirt after his bath..`
`20:09.05`	`enn800`	`i never thought i would but it's $10 vs a week of disappointments`
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`20:09.22`	`enn800`	`if you can keep it up for a week probably`
`20:09.44`	`KotCzarny`	`sure, i'll write a script :>`
`20:10.06`	`enn800`	`hah`
`20:10.07`	`flo_lap`	`enn800: Wouldn't a vsever be cheaper? ;)`
`20:10.36`	`MangoFusion`	`what are you downloading from megaupload all week anyway?`
`20:10.37`	`lcuk`	`sometimes paying out a bit of cash is simplest all round`
`20:10.51`	`enn800`	`i was trying to get it from the sdict server`
`20:11.02`	`KotCzarny`	`assuming it wouldn't time out for him even with premium account`
`20:11.03`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`20:11.11`	`enn800`	`haha`
`20:11.17`	`enn800`	`that's not really funny`
`20:11.20`	`enn800`	`well kinda`
`20:11.25`	`lcuk`	`wanna bet?`
`20:11.44`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. sdict server uses captcha access too?`
`20:11.46`	`lcuk`	`at least if you paid your money you gain the right to comaplin to them like a bitch`
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`20:11.59`	`enn800`	`yeah KC`
`20:12.16`	`KotCzarny`	`weird`
`20:12.22`	`enn800`	`but you're lucky if you get 50 kb/s`
`20:12.36`	`enn800`	`and 2 of the 3 files are aroud 1 gb`
`20:13.02`	`enn800`	`nobody seeding th torrents i found...`
`20:13.09`	`enn800`	`$10 is not much`
`20:13.22`	`enn800`	`for wikipedia on n800`
`20:13.22`	`KotCzarny`	`hope it works`
`20:13.30`	`enn800`	`looks good so far`
`20:13.49`	`KotCzarny`	`wikipedia is run by nazis anyway`
`20:14.05`	`KotCzarny`	`ran?`
`20:14.16`	`MangoFusion`	`i still think you are crazy in any case. but good luck reading wikipedia on your n800 in any case :)`
`20:14.45`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I just save the articles I need.`
`20:14.50`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`20:15.02`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I love stardict with Fbreader.`
`20:15.15`	`enn800`	`a few weeks ago i dlded the wikipedia dump`
`20:15.33`	`enn800`	`but that's about 14 gb uncompressed`
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`20:15.52`	`KotCzarny`	`only?`
`20:15.58`	`KotCzarny`	`i have thought it's more`
`20:16.08`	`enn800`	`just xml, no images`
`20:16.12`	`KotCzarny`	`ahm`
`20:16.13`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`20:16.27`	`enn800`	`i'll be travelling to south america this summer`
`20:16.32`	`enn800`	`i think wifi will be a luxury`
`20:16.41`	`enn800`	`where i'm going at least`
`20:16.45`	`KotCzarny`	`get wifi router with you :)`
`20:16.58`	`enn800`	`haha`
`20:17.01`	`KotCzarny`	`and maybe a good antenna`
`20:17.17`	`enn800`	`i don't think it'll help in the jungle`
`20:17.30`	`KotCzarny`	`if you install it on the highest tree..`
`20:17.35`	`enn800`	`BUT when that mean looking spider bites me i'll find a rememdy in a few seconds`
`20:17.41`	`qwerty12_N800`	`a satellite phone with bt :p`
`20:17.49`	`KotCzarny`	`some wifi links in good config can do ranges in km`
`20:18.00`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, :) ive backed up the xorg and the modified edid i hacked. at least if i need to reinstall i dont have to go through thatylot again`
`20:18.08`	`enn800`	`do you know much about the wimax stuff?`
`20:18.10`	`KotCzarny`	`enn: no, you won't`
`20:18.34`	`lcuk`	`enn800, does the wikipedia do picture identification?`
`20:18.36`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: nice that you get it working`
`20:18.54`	`enn800`	`hm good point`
`20:19.09`	`lcuk`	`"curing" yourself with the wrong fix may make you worse`
`20:19.11`	`enn800`	`anyway, i'll be something of a mcgyver`
`20:19.26`	`KotCzarny`	`also if tha panic starts you won't be able to do wiki searching`
`20:19.49`	`lcuk`	`at least you could tell us what the provincial government is in west bolivia from 1998 and onwards is`
`20:20.02`	`enn800`	`ok, what is the capital of honduras?`
`20:20.06`	`enn800`	`without internets`
`20:20.09`	`lcuk`	`as long as its non POV`
`20:21.37`	`lcuk`	`i couldnt even pronounce the name even with the internet`
`20:21.40`	`enn800`	`it's text-only`
`20:21.42`	`enn800`	`i'm assuming`
`20:21.45`	`lcuk`	`Tegucigalpa`
`20:21.49`	`enn800`	`i know, i can't either`
`20:22.47`	`lcuk`	`i like meandering my way through wikipedia and just following the threads along`
`20:22.58`	`enn800`	`i have my problems with wikipedia like most people`
`20:23.05`	`enn800`	`but it's still a good resource`
`20:23.24`	`enn800`	`i had a britannica membership a while ago, it's nowhere near as entertaining`
`20:23.28`	`lcuk`	`lol - theres a town not far from me whats been completely screwed up by wp`
`20:23.37`	`enn800`	`how come`
`20:23.38`	`lcuk`	`the edits were hilarious`
`20:23.54`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: have you seen anchorun extension?`
`20:23.59`	`KotCzarny`	`for firefox`
`20:24.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`20:24.19`	`lcuk`	`Readers of the site have been misinformed that Denshaw is the home to an obese population of sun-starved, sheep hurling yokels with a brothel for a pub and a lingering tapeworm infection.`
`20:24.29`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lmao`
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`20:24.44`	`KotCzarny`	`fun`
`20:24.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`20:24.53`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I'll get a drink from dere`
`20:25.11`	`enn800`	`haha`
`20:26.50`	`lcuk`	`its actually a lovely village - it does feel a bit like emerdale but i don't think that can be helped`
`20:27.10`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Halifax page on wikipedia is a bit boring :/`
`20:28.18`	`lcuk`	`dare i say - spice it up a bit`
`20:28.33`	`lcuk`	`or not if you ever want to do anything on wp ever in the future ;)`
`20:29.04`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I don't remember anything about it! Been years since I went back :(`
`20:29.17`	`lcuk`	`is that really a bad thing?`
`20:29.22`	`Atarii`	`lol lcdd`
`20:29.25`	`Atarii`	`lcuk*`
`20:29.39`	`Atarii`	`i heard of that town on wikipedia`
`20:29.42`	`Atarii`	`it was on the news`
`20:29.51`	`lcuk`	`yer`
`20:30.02`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lol, I prefered Bradford and Manchester when I did go up north`
`20:30.34`	`qwerty12_N800`	`But we have a tesco that is surrounded by houses`
`20:30.40`	`lcuk`	`they both have good sides`
`20:31.16`	`lcuk`	`i suppose that makes it easy to do the shopping`
`20:31.33`	`lcuk`	`unless its a 24h one`
`20:32.12`	`enn800`	`300 MB done`
`20:32.16`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Very, according to my dad, when we moved to east ldn, it was a factory (abandoned?)`
`20:32.18`	`enn800`	`i'd say that was worth it`
`20:32.19`	`KotCzarny`	`pffft`
`20:32.22`	`KotCzarny`	`tesco shopping?`
`20:32.27`	`KotCzarny`	`sounds like a suicide`
`20:32.50`	`enn800`	`KC do you work for nokia?`
`20:32.57`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`20:33.00`	`lcuk`	`laffs`
`20:33.06`	`enn800`	`what`
`20:33.22`	`qwerty12_N800`	`is laughing all da way 2 da bank`
`20:33.44`	`enn800`	`what`
`20:34.11`	`lcuk`	`enn800, no i dont think there are any (none lurking) nokia employees here at the mo`
`20:34.35`	`enn800`	`ok, just wodering`
`20:34.45`	`qwerty12_N800`	`konttori is employed by nokia`
`20:34.49`	`enn800`	`since it seems like some people are giving this a lot of their time`
`20:34.56`	`lcuk`	`for some reason i pictured kot as a phone salesman with slicked back hair`
`20:35.19`	`enn800`	`i can see that`
`20:35.29`	`qwerty12_N800`	`with da gold chain and ak...`
`20:35.30`	`lcuk`	`enn800, we have all paid our money and help each other as much as possible. we want these little nokia devices to work :)`
`20:35.56`	`enn800`	`well it's very much appreciated`
`20:36.06`	`keesj`	`http://maemo.mmapps.net/p4261605.jpg n800 running usb-host "while not connected" and with no soldering`
`20:36.47`	`lcuk`	`omg keesj, the knots in the table look like evil eyes with a nokia mouth!!!!`
`20:37.19`	`qwerty12_N800`	`microb is crapping out on me`
`20:37.32`	`keesj`	`:p`
`20:37.48`	`qwerty12_N800`	`im gonna wget :p`
`20:37.53`	`Atarii`	`keesj whats the white thing?`
`20:38.21`	`keesj`	`an "emegency" phone charger .`
`20:38.28`	`lcuk`	`keesj, how many AAs does you charge on the run use`
`20:38.29`	`keesj`	`it delivers the 5 volt`
`20:38.40`	`Atarii`	`would thatstyle set up work for a 770 host mode?`
`20:38.44`	`Atarii`	`that style*`
`20:38.53`	`keesj`	`two , there is a charge pump in it`
`20:39.04`	`lcuk`	`atarii - power injection part of it should with correct cabling`
`20:39.16`	`lcuk`	`not sure about host mode enabling though`
`20:39.46`	`keesj`	`I even was able to connect my cammera to it and it poped up the file manager`
`20:39.49`	`lcuk`	`keesj, i love how your keyboard says "Keyboard" on the top`
`20:40.13`	`keesj`	`I got it today`
`20:40.15`	`Atarii`	`im looking to run an external wifi, but without a powered usb hub if possible`
`20:40.30`	`Atarii`	`instead use a power thing like that maybe?`
`20:40.42`	`lcuk`	`looks about the same size as mine, but yours has wires`
`20:41.12`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I like the sound of the wifi that pupnik mentioned. I managed to build kernel modules for it.`
`20:41.16`	`lcuk`	`you could check with a charge booster and see what it gets`
`20:42.04`	`keesj`	`it was about 5 euro's in the local store.`
`20:42.23`	`Atarii`	`i bought a crazy power thing from poundland, it has usb input, and uses 4 AA batterys`
`20:42.28`	`Atarii`	`need to check what output it gives`
`20:42.41`	`MangoFusion`	`how much did that set you back then?`
`20:42.56`	`lcuk`	`the galaxy simulator has more flicker on laptop than stars on 810`
`20:43.01`	`Atarii`	`:p`
`20:43.20`	`lcuk`	`Atarii, uk pondland?`
`20:43.25`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lol`
`20:43.26`	`lcuk`	`pound even`
`20:43.37`	`qwerty12_N800`	`99p stores for me`
`20:43.39`	`Atarii`	`yea`
`20:43.49`	`lcuk`	`hmm shall get missus to investigate this week`
`20:43.50`	`qwerty12_N800`	`get all my chainz from dere`
`20:44.02`	`Atarii`	`lol qwerty12_N800`
`20:44.20`	`Atarii`	`ill take a pic of it and uploaz it`
`20:44.28`	`lcuk`	`i got my chains from the market - the stall where i got my shell suit from also does some wicked REALGOLDY chains`
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`20:48.55`	`KotCzarny`	`realgouldy`
`20:48.59`	`KotCzarny`	`grin`
`20:49.05`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lol`
`20:49.11`	`lcuk`	`lol`
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`20:49.17`	`qwerty12_N800`	`mine is da real stuff`
`20:49.36`	`qwerty12_N800`	`dimandique (serious spellling)`
`20:49.52`	`KotCzarny`	`srs splng`
`20:50.34`	`qwerty12_N800`	`oh yeah, kot, I know why xvkbd didn't work :), I had xinputextention enabled :)`
`20:50.45`	`lcuk`	`qwerty12_N800, i is glad yuu are heer to do the spelllings like a master`
`20:51.20`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: deemaundeeque!`
`20:51.21`	`qwerty12_N800`	`luck: y thks, u wil bow bfor me muhhhha`
`20:51.39`	`KotCzarny`	`doodeedoodeedquee`
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`20:52.33`	`e[ekt]`	`nick enn8`
`20:52.49`	`whooper`	`hey guys`
`20:53.08`	`whooper`	`i have an issue`
`20:53.19`	`KotCzarny`	`as everyone coming to that chan`
`20:54.10`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Don't wry, doctors can fix ur plumbing... :p`
`20:54.16`	`KotCzarny`	`o.o`
`20:54.30`	`RST38h`	`whooper: is it Tibet?`
`20:54.35`	`whooper`	`i am trying to install mplayer (770, 2gb rs-mmc, OS2006)`
`20:54.38`	`KotCzarny`	`you sure it's doctors?`
`20:55.02`	`whooper`	`and when I do, it installs and then gives me: "unable to install mplayer"`
`20:55.38`	`Atarii`	`lcuk just took 2 pics of the charger`
`20:55.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`check the app man log`
`20:55.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`KotCzarny: lol`
`20:55.53`	`whooper`	`it shows up in installed apps, but its icon is red`
`20:56.06`	`Atarii`	`http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26040821490001zt3.jpg and http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26040821510001cw9.jpg`
`20:56.43`	`Atarii`	`bad quality image, but thats a usb input, and also comes with loads of other input attatchments including a nokia sized one`
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`20:57.31`	`lcuk`	`wicked, ill send her out hunting for boxes containing grainy out of focus chargers :D`
`20:57.38`	`Atarii`	`lol`
`20:57.47`	`Atarii`	`blame my "5mp" samsung`
`20:57.53`	`lcuk`	`really thx, it will help her to get the right one`
`20:58.23`	`qwerty12_N800`	`lol`
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`20:58.40`	`Cptnodegard`	`memo to self: dont buy samsung cellphones. ever`
`20:58.49`	`KotCzarny`	`well`
`20:58.59`	`KotCzarny`	`most cellphones cameras are crap`
`20:59.02`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I hate samsung >.<`
`20:59.10`	`Cptnodegard`	`SE's with flash are decent`
`20:59.32`	`Cptnodegard`	`i got a k550, decent pics but needs light`
`20:59.39`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Cptnodegard: true. My modded cam driver sux tho`
`21:00.00`	`Cptnodegard`	`i might get a k850 when my subscription runs out`
`21:00.09`	`Cptnodegard`	`since i use the camera a lot¨`
`21:00.27`	`Cptnodegard`	`i also dont want to lose remote control or trackID :p`
`21:01.17`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Hehe, I've never had an se with trackid :p. I have a dead Se p1 somewhere tho...`
`21:01.47`	`Cptnodegard`	`its one of the thigns you think "wtf do i need that for" when you see it, but that you end up actually using`
`21:05.33`	`whooper`	`it says that there are errors with libmad0, libtheora0, and libogg0`
`21:08.28`	`whooper`	`apparently, bitches dont know about my dependency errors.`
`21:08.45`	`KotCzarny`	`bitches?`
`21:08.55`	`whooper`	`nevermind.`
`21:09.06`	`whooper`	`anyways`
`21:09.13`	`whooper`	`any idea what's wrong`
`21:09.24`	`qwerty12_N800`	`KotCzarny: you were right, mc is nice with.aterm, thanks`
`21:09.42`	`qwerty12_N800`	`whooper: pull up the application manager log`
`21:10.21`	`whooper`	`i did`
`21:10.40`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Anything more specific then?`
`21:10.44`	`whooper`	`it said i had issues with: libmad0, libtheora0, and libogg0`
`21:11.19`	`qwerty12_N800`	`do you have root access?`
`21:11.28`	`whooper`	`if i need, i can get it`
`21:11.53`	`whooper`	`do i need it?`
`21:11.55`	`qwerty12_N800`	`as root, try apt-get install mplayer`
`21:12.01`	`whooper`	`okay, brb`
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`21:14.09`	`whooper`	`i might be a little bit, i just re-flashed`
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`21:34.01`	`whooper`	`okay, got mplayer: testing now`
`21:34.16`	`whooper`	`it works`
`21:34.37`	`whooper`	`my original problem was with the canola youtube plugin`
`21:34.48`	`whooper`	`it wouldnt show up`
`21:34.53`	`whooper`	`now ill try that again`
`21:35.19`	`whooper`	`thank you KotCzarny`
`21:35.35`	`KotCzarny`	`lol?`
`21:35.42`	`KotCzarny`	`it wasn't me`
`21:36.01`	`whooper`	`oh, right... ..;`
`21:36.08`	`whooper`	`thanks qwerty12`
`21:36.14`	`whooper`	`right?`
`21:36.29`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't know, i'm playing`
`21:36.30`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:36.48`	`whooper`	`heh`
`21:37.06`	`whooper`	`have you tried canola2 beta8's youtube plugin?`
`21:37.13`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`21:38.32`	`whooper`	`from what ive heard, its good`
`21:38.41`	`whooper`	`i havent been able to get it to work though`
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`22:04.00`	`pupnik`	`is tired of computers`
`22:04.04`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`22:04.19`	`KotCzarny`	`go get an adventure!`
`22:04.20`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:04.48`	`KotCzarny`	`and don't forget to pack n8x0 + crank charger + encyclopedia`
`22:06.23`	`lcuk`	`+ spare stylus + linux laptop to dev from`
`22:06.43`	`KotCzarny`	`i would bet on spare sd cards`
`22:06.49`	`KotCzarny`	`less space`
`22:06.50`	`lcuk`	`recreates pupnik with a non-tiring shellscript`
`22:08.18`	`lcuk`	`pupnik, how far did you get with the statusbar thing`
`22:08.38`	`lcuk`	`or is that your reason for being tired of comps`
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`22:08.56`	`pupnik`	`no an ex girlfriend is visiting me`
`22:09.04`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`22:09.20`	`lcuk`	`thats a damned good reason to become tired of computers (unless shes a kernel hacker herself)`
`22:09.47`	`KotCzarny`	`or .net developr`
`22:10.10`	`pupnik`	`she's a geophysicist`
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`22:10.42`	`KotCzarny`	`not bad`
`22:10.51`	`pupnik`	`we used to take walks. we discussed architecture, communism. we watched bugs and snails`
`22:11.18`	`lcuk`	`:D so she likes gettin her rocks off *ok illstop bein smutty now`
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`22:11.43`	`lcuk`	`might i ask though, is it normal to invite an ex back into your place (unless there is hope the ex part will be removed)`
`22:12.01`	`KotCzarny`	`well, if she's a good talk, why not`
`22:12.25`	`pupnik`	`she's married to someone else. i love her.`
`22:12.46`	`pupnik`	`so it will be very valuable time`
`22:12.49`	`LinuxCode`	`shes married .. I lover her`
`22:12.52`	`LinuxCode`	`thats just wrong`
`22:12.53`	`KotCzarny`	`you can always become a lover`
`22:12.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:13.00`	`LinuxCode`	`-r`
`22:13.04`	`pupnik`	`not part of the plan KotCzarny`
`22:13.06`	`lcuk`	`:) pupnik`
`22:13.10`	`term-sig`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:13.16`	`KotCzarny`	`cloning takes time`
`22:13.18`	`LinuxCode`	`clone`
`22:13.19`	`LinuxCode`	`lol`
`22:13.22`	`KotCzarny`	`he would be dead by the time`
`22:13.36`	`term-sig`	`ok.. then something more kinky..`
`22:13.43`	`term-sig`	`try realldolls.com ;P`
`22:13.48`	`LinuxCode`	`haha`
`22:13.52`	`term-sig`	`or something like thaht..`
`22:13.52`	`term-sig`	`;)`
`22:13.59`	`LinuxCode`	`I dont know whats more amusing`
`22:14.09`	`LinuxCode`	`term-sig, knowing that website`
`22:14.13`	`flavioribeiro`	`hi, when i open xephyr and run af-sb-init.sh it seems that's everything ok.. but nothing appears at xephyr window. no tracebacks, no visible errors and no seg faults.. any tip?`
`22:14.14`	`LinuxCode`	`or suggesting it`
`22:14.32`	`term-sig`	`flavioribeiro: yes, buy realldoll ;)`
`22:14.33`	`lcuk`	`pupnik tread carefully and she will be with you forever`
`22:15.12`	`pupnik`	`lcuk: dude it's over. i was 2 years too late. i fucked up. i fucked up big time`
`22:15.25`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe, i know that feeling`
`22:15.36`	`pupnik`	`flavioribeiro: not sure about your paramaters`
`22:15.37`	`KotCzarny`	`lack of experience :>`
`22:16.08`	`lcuk`	`you misunderstand my meaning, you have obviously kept her as a friend :)`
`22:16.25`	`term-sig`	`btw anything nice for video chat on n810 excluding gizmo?`
`22:16.34`	`LinuxCode`	`amsn`
`22:16.56`	`LinuxCode`	`nly thing I know that works with the webcam`
`22:17.40`	`term-sig`	`hm, LinuxCode any deb file link?`
`22:18.20`	`LinuxCode`	`http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/`
`22:18.33`	`term-sig`	`merci ;)`
`22:19.22`	`Ziegler`	`I tried an ap out for the web cam a bit ago that was an actually webcam`
`22:19.25`	`Ziegler`	`server and all`
`22:19.27`	`Ziegler`	`"motion"`
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`22:37.43`	`lcuk`	`puts 50p in the internet`
`22:38.46`	`LinuxCode`	`takes the 50 pence and increases bandwidth`
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`22:39.19`	`lcuk`	`everything has come to a crashing halt`
`22:39.29`	`lcuk`	`at this rate im not gonna watch doctor who tonight`
`22:39.58`	`KotCzarny`	`visit your neighbour's ap?`
`22:40.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:40.43`	`elb`	`how far into the season is it over there?`
`22:40.44`	`lcuk`	`i have the only wifi within range`
`22:40.44`	`lcuk`	`and i turn mine down to 10ma`
`22:41.04`	`lcuk`	`ep 4 was on tonight`
`22:41.17`	`lcuk`	`but the kids were bein nosey and i cant be arsed viewing in flash`
`22:41.41`	`elb`	`and you're .uk?`
`22:41.48`	`lcuk`	`yer`
`22:42.02`	`elb`	`wow, we're less than two weeks behind`
`22:42.12`	`elb`	`wait ... less than one week`
`22:42.14`	`lcuk`	`owhere are you?`
`22:42.21`	`elb`	`USA`
`22:42.26`	`lcuk`	`and is that on actual tv?`
`22:42.30`	`elb`	`yeah`
`22:42.40`	`elb`	`I just watched episode three this morning, recorded it last night`
`22:42.48`	`lcuk`	`cos it finished here a couple of hours ago and the torrents well and truley established`
`22:42.50`	`KotCzarny`	`isn't it a serial from 60/70s ?`
`22:42.58`	`lcuk`	`thats when it started yer kot`
`22:43.08`	`KotCzarny`	`it's still rolling?`
`22:43.09`	`KotCzarny`	`O.o`
`22:43.12`	`lcuk`	`then it stopped for a while in ?early 90s?`
`22:43.22`	`elb`	`after a like 15 year hiatus`
`22:43.25`	`lcuk`	`and came back - this is the 4th year since its return`
`22:43.42`	`elb`	`the new seasons are pretty good, I think`
`22:43.44`	`KotCzarny`	`longer than spanish spaghetti royale`
`22:44.05`	`elb`	`it was the longest running scifi when it went off the air`
`22:44.05`	`lcuk`	`different main characters throughout and new aliens to scare kids by`
`22:44.10`	`elb`	`and I don't think anything trumped it in between`
`22:44.32`	`elb`	`well, except for the people who count all five thousand different star treks as one scifi`
`22:44.48`	`lcuk`	`no - they had major breaks between MAJOR ones`
`22:45.09`	`lcuk`	`original series stopped and next gen was about 20 years later wasnt it (excluding movies`
`22:45.13`	`elb`	`right, they weren't continuous`
`22:45.32`	`elb`	`but doctor who isn't continuous any more, either :-)`
`22:45.56`	`lcuk`	`no, not week in week out - but yearly series like most other shows`
`22:46.16`	`elb`	`no, I mean, there was a 15 year hiatus on dr who now, too`
`22:46.30`	`elb`	`I didn't mean to imply that star trek ran for as many consecutive years as doctor who`
`22:46.47`	`elb`	`but some trekkies claim it's the longest running scifi because it has a sum total of like a thousand years ;-)`
`22:47.04`	`elb`	`there for a while there were 3 or 4 running at the same time`
`22:47.05`	`lcuk`	`yer - this new run by russell davies isnt counted in longest run`
`22:47.11`	`elb`	`of course, dr who has that, now`
`22:47.20`	`lcuk`	`doctor who has been to the end of the universe`
`22:47.25`	`elb`	`with torchwood (which we don't get) and the sarah jane adventures (which we do)`
`22:47.31`	`elb`	`(and I am not impressed)`
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`22:48.09`	`lcuk`	`elb, in the uk we have a series called casualty which has been running for years. its spawned a midweek version about normal hospital and now another one about the police station`
`22:48.21`	`lcuk`	`its all inbred and crossovers`
`22:48.30`	`elb`	`yeah, we get that, too`
`22:48.40`	`lcuk`	`i havent seen sarahjane, its for the kids though`
`22:48.40`	`elb`	`I mean, not that series`
`22:48.44`	`elb`	`but series doing that stuff`
`22:48.46`	`lcuk`	`is this on bbc world?`
`22:49.02`	`elb`	`doctor who and sarah jane are on the scifi channel here`
`22:49.07`	`lcuk`	`csi vegas, miami ny`
`22:49.15`	`elb`	`yeah, csi is a good example`
`22:49.33`	`lcuk`	`thats a case of exporting a formula and if it works i dont see the problem`
`22:50.01`	`elb`	`it'd be nice to see fresh content from time to time ;-)`
`22:50.04`	`elb`	`but I generally agree`
`22:50.06`	`lcuk`	`the doctor who/torchwood/jane stuff is targetted at different audiences`
`22:50.19`	`elb`	`yeah`
`22:50.24`	`lcuk`	`some of the torchwood eps have been good - might be an idea to see if you can find em`
`22:50.33`	`elb`	`I'm hoping scifi picks them up`
`22:51.38`	`lcuk`	`on scifi - did you catch sarah connor chronicles?`
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`22:51.58`	`jott`	`does not really like the new companion (tate)`
`22:52.24`	`jott`	`i hope they cut her off before the end of the season`
`22:52.37`	`lcuk`	`i dont like her, but god my heart skipped a beat when rose appeared`
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`22:52.59`	`elb`	`yeah I'd love to see Rose come back`
`22:53.11`	`lcuk`	`and when the volcano guy said "she is returning" or whatever it was`
`22:53.18`	`elb`	`supposedly her return is just a copule-episode gimmick`
`22:54.02`	`elb`	`she (Piper) said in an interview right after she quit that there was that "possibility"`
`22:54.10`	`lcuk`	`what does it matter`
`22:54.12`	`elb`	`and Davies said it was in the works all along`
`22:54.54`	`elb`	`I liked Martha all right, too ... this new companion, we'll see`
`22:55.00`	`lcuk`	`he always hoped he could coax her back`
`22:55.03`	`KotCzarny`	`you guys shouldn't watch so much tv..`
`22:55.04`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`22:55.15`	`lcuk`	`martha didnt do it for me - she was too intelligent on her own`
`22:55.15`	`jott`	`KotCzarny: you should irc less ;)`
`22:55.20`	`lcuk`	`this is just about 1 series`
`22:55.25`	`KotCzarny`	`at least irc has some interactivity`
`22:55.26`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`22:55.29`	`lcuk`	`cant you do both?`
`22:55.41`	`KotCzarny`	`i do few things at a time`
`22:55.42`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:55.53`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, if what me and elb are doing now isnt interacting then i dont know what is :P`
`22:56.05`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:56.07`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`22:57.12`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, when someone bobs in the room and talks about ff9 or something do you ignore them :P`
`22:57.40`	`KotCzarny`	`probably i will say that's a nice game`
`22:57.42`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:58.12`	`lcuk`	`lol`
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`22:59.18`	`lcuk`	`6.5 hours to go :( hopefully after midnight the throttle will be released`
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`23:33.32`	`ryoohki`	`when does the wimax n810 come out? has a date even been set?`
`23:40.10`	`Proteous_`	`you can get wimax service?`
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`23:43.51`	`ralann`	`hah, that is my question too`
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`23:48.53`	`KotCzarny`	`wimax is 4g ?`
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`23:52.02`	`LinuxCode`	`no`
`23:52.59`	`Proteous_`	`wimax is something else`
`23:53.08`	`Proteous_`	`it won't be a cell phone thing`
`23:53.18`	`Proteous_`	`more of wireless internet access`
`23:53.20`	`ralann`	`i just ordered the n810, i figure by the time wimax is available where i live i will want a new one`
`23:53.29`	`Proteous_`	`a wireless solution to the last mile problem`
`23:54.20`	`ralann`	`ill probably get a cradlepoint and a evdo card for when on the road`
`23:54.29`	`Proteous_`	`well, as much of a solution as a wireless tech can provide giving the limited frequency bandwidth available with todays FCC setup`
`23:55.10`	`Proteous_`	`what all these wirless companies, cell or otherwise don't tell you is you can really only server a very limited amount of people at a time`
`23:55.13`	`Proteous_`	`at a reasonable speed`
`23:55.20`	`Proteous_`	`there just isn't enough bandwidth`
`23:55.29`	`Proteous_`	`which isn't a problem with a wired solution`
`23:55.34`	`Proteous_`	`well, not the same problem`
`23:55.38`	`ralann`	`as long as we don't all click at the same time were cool`
`23:55.42`	`Proteous_`	`hah, yeah`
`23:55.44`	`KotCzarny`	`yup, but it will be nice and dandy at the beginning`
`23:55.52`	`KotCzarny`	`since not maney people will use it`
`23:56.07`	`KotCzarny`	`*many`
`23:57.00`	`Proteous_`	`I say we just get rid of all the frequency allocations and move everything to UWB`
`23:57.08`	`Proteous_`	`all services will use it`
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`23:57.19`	`Proteous_`	`everyone gets loads of bandwidth`
`23:57.21`	`KotCzarny`	`i see noizzz`
`23:57.22`	`doc\|work`	`just trail a really long cable, it's easier`
`23:57.44`	`Proteous_`	`noizz is only a problem if you are trying to run UWB and other things at the same time`
`23:57.50`	`Proteous_`	`if everying is UWB it's not a problem`
`23:58.05`	`Proteous_`	`and you get to use the bandwidth of the whole spectrum`
`23:58.09`	`Proteous_`	`which is pretty massive`
`23:58.28`	`Proteous_`	`by whole spectrum I mean the whole usable spectrum`
`23:58.32`	`doc\|work`	`not as massive as my really long cable`
`23:58.41`	`Proteous_`	`heh`
`23:58.42`	`Proteous_`	`true`
`23:59.16`	`lcuk`	`your really long cable is useful on the train`
`23:59.38`	`doc\|work`	`I think you underestimate what I mean by really long`
`23:59.48`	`Proteous_`	`lol`
`23:59.50`	`KotCzarny`	`erath--moon?`
`23:59.51`	`KotCzarny`	`earth`

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