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| 00:05.01 | fysa | ;) |
| 00:15.45 | KotCzarny | probably funny for some: http://imagechan.net/img/5353/Black%20holes/ |
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| 01:21.34 | seebs | This is probably one of those stupid newbie questions, but I can't get alarmd's exec_name to Do What I Want. I also see no logs of errors. I was doing a test command of 'cp /dev/null /tmp/testfile', just to verify that it's working, and it doesn't seem to have any effect. |
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| 01:24.17 | seebs | Hmm. Looks as though there's no word-splitting, so the exec_name has to be the name of a command, no arguments. Is that right? |
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| 01:34.27 | z00dax_n810 | hi |
| 01:37.18 | seebs | Hello. |
| 01:38.24 | z00dax_n810 | hey seebs |
| 01:39.07 | z00dax_n810 | not sure if i am looking at the right place, ut i cant find any info on state of qt4 on maemo |
| 01:39.18 | seebs | Hmm. No clue. |
| 01:39.50 | z00dax_n810 | what I really want is a freenx client here, and i am happy to hack qtnx and nxcl into shape |
| 01:39.53 | seebs | I'm trying to learn about the exec_name feature of alarmd, and I'm failing. :) |
| 01:40.16 | seebs | I suppose I can just track down the source. |
| 01:40.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:40.25 | KotCzarny | man alarmd ? |
| 01:40.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:40.26 | z00dax_n810 | but first qt4 port is way overboard, given the amount of time I have |
| 01:40.58 | seebs | alarmd's documentation does not answer my question. |
| 01:41.05 | seebs | I pretty much need to read the source. :) |
| 01:41.15 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 01:41.24 | z00dax_n810 | use the source young skywalker |
| 01:41.43 | KotCzarny | how's the alarmd different from atd ? |
| 01:41.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:42.37 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 01:42.52 | seebs | Well, that's odd. The source is not matching the behavior I think I'm observing. |
| 01:43.18 | lcuk | make sure you have updated your belief sources |
| 01:43.19 | z00dax_n810 | seebs, more dope / coffee / beer :) |
| 01:43.30 | KotCzarny | make a script what will do what you want without args ? |
| 01:43.48 | seebs | Yeah, but alarmd is using g_shell_parse_argv. So it SHOULD be splitting. |
| 01:44.00 | KotCzarny | maybe it's splitting but just discarding |
| 01:44.21 | KotCzarny | or expects params in different variable? |
| 01:44.49 | seebs | I don't think so. There's a single field in the object, which is passed to g_shell_parse_argv, so it should get split. And there's just one command line in the C API. |
| 01:44.56 | z00dax_n810 | haha garage.m.o ssl cert expired ? |
| 01:45.37 | KotCzarny | 005337-White-Obama-Better-than-black-Hillary.jpg |
| 01:45.37 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 01:48.00 | seebs | Well, I guess I must have been doing it wrong, because it's splitting now. Hmm. Maybe no default path? |
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| 01:48.21 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 01:48.41 | KotCzarny | i think at least /bin should be |
| 01:48.51 | KotCzarny | try execing 'set' as the command |
| 01:50.26 | seebs | It's not passing these to a shell, it's execing. If I exec '/tmp/args.sh foo bar', it gets foo and bar as arguments. If I exec '/bin/cp /dev/null /tmp/testfile', nothing happens. |
| 01:50.27 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 01:51.14 | seebs | Oh, duh. |
| 01:51.23 | seebs | cp of a device fails when run by non-root. I am SO stupid. |
| 01:51.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:52.02 | KotCzarny | also for devices you should use -a or something |
| 01:52.04 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 01:52.19 | seebs | I didn't actually want a cp of the real device, I just wanted an empty file. Heh. |
| 01:52.32 | KotCzarny | you should have used 'touch' then |
| 01:52.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:52.57 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 01:56.02 | seebs | Cool! I think I have a working shell interface to the alarm API. |
| 01:56.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:56.26 | KotCzarny | what i like about *nix is flexibility |
| 01:56.37 | KotCzarny | scripting and programming of every kind |
| 01:57.35 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 01:57.41 | seebs | This is SO close to being able to replace my PDA. |
| 01:58.05 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 02:54.13 | fysa | anyone here using T-Zones? |
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| 03:34.21 | Navi | Anyone have any idea on how openbox, kde, and xfce4 are started in maemo? |
| 03:34.49 | KotCzarny | maybe the same as on pc? |
| 03:40.07 | Navi | Meh, whatever. I'll just start a new Xomap server |
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| 04:19.46 | Navi | Gah |
| 04:20.00 | Navi | I can stop hildon, but the script for stopping matchbox doesn't work |
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| 04:26.45 | fysa | change runlevel? |
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| 04:43.41 | Navi | ha |
| 04:44.17 | Navi | using matchbox-remote to tell matchbox to exit multiple times in a row made my N800 die |
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| 04:46.37 | trollasaurus | conducts a small memorial service for Navi's N800 |
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| 04:49.15 | Navi | ahaha, hax |
| 04:49.32 | Navi | (matchbox-remote -exit) && dwm made it die too :D |
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| 04:50.19 | Navi | I wish penguinbait would be a bit more public with his window manager running knowledge. |
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| 04:55.51 | ac7ss | how dead did it make it? |
| 04:56.49 | Navi | watchdog rebooted it, s'all |
| 04:58.13 | trollasaurus | I was kidding. |
| 05:01.28 | ac7ss | watchdog = program? |
| 05:01.28 | ac7ss | || person |
| 05:01.37 | KotCzarny | dog |
| 05:01.49 | ac7ss | sorry I disconnected. was watchdog = prog || person |
| 05:01.57 | KotCzarny | dog |
| 05:02.41 | trollasaurus | Arf arf arf. |
| 05:03.03 | KotCzarny | throws a bit |
| 05:03.19 | trollasaurus | num nums! |
| 05:03.46 | KotCzarny | good doggie, now watch this place while i go killing sorceress |
| 05:04.07 | trollasaurus | Arf. |
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| 05:13.37 | Navi | http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/The-Launcher-Screenshot-32488.html <- cool beans |
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| 05:15.37 | Italodance | hello :D |
| 05:18.49 | Italodance | is there available car game for n800? |
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| 05:43.34 | pupnik_ | yes Italodance but not very good |
| 05:46.24 | pupnik | perhaps 'terrible' is a better word |
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| 05:55.50 | KotCzarny | carmageddon is nice for s60 |
| 05:55.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 06:48.29 | leo2007 | Navi: It is being sold here: http://www.bestpricedbrands.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1062 |
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| 06:54.34 | Navi | Funny that they claim to have 12 WiMAX tablets in stock |
| 06:57.41 | trollasaurus | Why is that funny ? |
| 06:57.49 | KotCzarny | it was ironic |
| 06:57.53 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 06:58.00 | KotCzarny | or sarcastic |
| 06:59.12 | trollasaurus | I don't get it. |
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| 07:24.20 | lopz | night |
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| 07:47.49 | Dist | Is there a flasher that can flash N810 with intel mac? |
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| 07:52.07 | Tybor | Hi all you maemo hackers... |
| 07:53.23 | Tybor | Just a dumb question... How can I mount the internal mmc with exec flag (automatically) in order to execute the programs that I'm compiling? I'm using the internal (2GB) mmc as "developer space" |
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| 07:53.48 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 07:53.53 | KotCzarny | vfat is a bad fs for that |
| 07:54.07 | KotCzarny | but if you want just do mount -o remount,exec |
| 07:54.14 | KotCzarny | (with proper mount point) |
| 07:55.13 | Tybor | KotCzarny: I know.. I'm tempted to reformat it with ext2 (no gain in using a journalized fs on an mmc) |
| 07:55.31 | KotCzarny | another brainwashed user.. |
| 07:56.30 | lcuk | shhh, its a conspiracy between the fs designers and mmc producers ;) |
| 07:56.31 | KotCzarny | you would see the gains after first os reboot :) |
| 07:56.42 | Tybor | KotCzarny: why you say so? I was saying ext2 because I once read that journalized fs are not that good for flash-based memories |
| 07:56.56 | KotCzarny | 'once read' .. |
| 07:57.01 | KotCzarny | technology changes |
| 07:57.11 | KotCzarny | what could be true year ago |
| 07:57.22 | lcuk | i once read that using flash memory for anything would have it totally die within about a week |
| 07:57.31 | KotCzarny | can be reversed by new technology |
| 07:57.42 | lcuk | but that was about 10 years ago |
| 07:57.57 | KotCzarny | yeah, read damaging flash memory, those were times.. |
| 07:58.13 | Tybor | Understood. You must admit that ext2 is "usually" faster that ext3 and other journalized fs, is it?? |
| 07:58.35 | KotCzarny | actually it would be faster because of necessary journal writes |
| 07:58.50 | KotCzarny | and flash usually sucks at multiple writes |
| 07:59.17 | Tybor | I just need to compile somme SmartEiffel applications on an mmc and run them... I just don't care a lot about which fs I shall reformat the mmc :) |
| 07:59.22 | lcuk | tybor, depends on what you use it for - if you are planning on using the internal memory for anything repeated i would advise the best thing to do would be get an external removable mmc plugged in and format that however you want. that way even if it goes titsup its not locked in your device |
| 07:59.34 | KotCzarny | erm. that should be 'actually ext2 would be faster than ext3' |
| 08:00.12 | lcuk | the worst thing you could do is damage your internal mmc :) |
| 08:00.35 | KotCzarny | by which time there will be nokia n999 |
| 08:00.38 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 08:01.12 | Tybor | looks for the fattest mmc he could find in italy |
| 08:01.38 | lcuk | and as we see now, people buy n770s |
| 08:01.42 | KotCzarny | tybor: you could be interested in booting off mmc :) |
| 08:02.06 | fang64 | well doesn't it get progressively smaller instead of dying completely |
| 08:02.15 | fang64 | get* |
| 08:02.22 | KotCzarny | fang64: depends which sector dies |
| 08:02.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:02.50 | fang64 | well flash memory controls I know they can fail completely depending on their design |
| 08:03.02 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 08:03.23 | fang64 | reflashing tsop flash typically only allots for around 1000 writes |
| 08:03.27 | fang64 | after that your screwed lol |
| 08:03.36 | Tybor | Btw, is here a way to use only pigdin instead of the nativee maemo IM? |
| 08:04.05 | KotCzarny | tybor: yes, there is a pidgin package |
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| 08:04.55 | fang64 | I think some PSP owners have suffered this killing of flash memory from overflashing the firmware lol |
| 08:05.04 | Tybor | KotCzarny: I'm already using it.. I was wondering if I can turn off the native maemo chat |
| 08:05.12 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 08:05.29 | KotCzarny | i don't know, i usually use ssh |
| 08:05.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:05.44 | fang64 | ssh then irssi? |
| 08:05.51 | KotCzarny | epic |
| 08:05.58 | fang64 | ah that's right |
| 08:06.05 | fang64 | your the openwrt guy XD |
| 08:06.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:06.15 | KotCzarny | 'you're' |
| 08:06.18 | KotCzarny | 'you are' |
| 08:06.19 | fang64 | indeed |
| 08:06.20 | fang64 | fail |
| 08:06.21 | fang64 | lol |
| 08:06.32 | fang64 | <-- tired as hell |
| 08:06.32 | KotCzarny | now repeat that 10 times |
| 08:06.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:06.46 | KotCzarny | practice makes perfect |
| 08:07.04 | fang64 | well I usually don't confuse those, but lack of sleep makes you not think |
| 08:07.10 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 08:07.15 | KotCzarny | it's a brain killer |
| 08:08.07 | fang64 | ever heard of afs? |
| 08:08.25 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 08:08.29 | KotCzarny | never used it though |
| 08:08.43 | fang64 | ah, I heard someone was porting it to the n800 |
| 08:08.52 | fang64 | well N8x0 |
| 08:09.30 | fang64 | it's really a good system setup for sharing files. |
| 08:09.43 | KotCzarny | i prefer http/sshfs :) |
| 08:09.52 | fang64 | well in a college setting |
| 08:09.58 | KotCzarny | http :) |
| 08:10.05 | fang64 | when you need to mass propagate read only data |
| 08:10.11 | fang64 | ranging in the 2 terabyte range |
| 08:10.15 | fang64 | for research |
| 08:10.17 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 08:10.18 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 08:10.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:10.23 | fang64 | I don't think http will do that well |
| 08:10.28 | fang64 | send 2tb over http uhhh |
| 08:10.36 | KotCzarny | but then again writing it to hdd could be faster |
| 08:10.48 | fang64 | depends on how afs is setup |
| 08:10.58 | fang64 | afs uses local replication |
| 08:11.09 | fang64 | the nodes cache a huge amount of data |
| 08:11.09 | KotCzarny | p2p could be nice |
| 08:11.15 | fang64 | it's sorta like that |
| 08:11.18 | fang64 | but not realy |
| 08:11.20 | fang64 | raelly* |
| 08:11.20 | KotCzarny | assuming more than one person needs that data |
| 08:11.22 | fang64 | really* lol |
| 08:11.27 | fang64 | yup |
| 08:11.29 | KotCzarny | go get some sleep |
| 08:11.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:11.37 | fang64 | yah I'm at my limit X.x |
| 08:11.43 | fang64 | cya |
| 08:12.03 | KotCzarny | k k:) |
| 08:19.30 | Tybor | switch to the ubuntu clamshell iBook |
| 08:19.34 | Tybor | see you soon |
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| 08:42.57 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:47.58 | lcuk_lap | has a working nipple |
| 08:48.12 | lcuk_lap | (and also a working network) |
| 08:48.16 | KotCzarny | don't overwork it |
| 08:48.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:48.28 | KotCzarny | kills off bahamut |
| 08:48.34 | lcuk_lap | i apparantly cannot do a secure network |
| 08:49.05 | KotCzarny | make a vpn or only allow your machines via ssh |
| 08:49.17 | lcuk_lap | ok everyone in manchester, there is an unsecured 10ma network running, if you are within about 5 foot of my computer you have internet access |
| 08:49.33 | lcuk_lap | its ok, ive dropped power :) no point in shouting |
| 08:49.38 | KotCzarny | ah, yes, lowering txpower works too |
| 08:49.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:50.15 | lcuk_lap | everything started working once i got the fan running |
| 08:50.20 | KotCzarny | unless someone has super duper sensitive antenna |
| 08:50.24 | lcuk_lap | me thinks it doesnt like overheating itself |
| 08:50.48 | lcuk_lap | i think i would notice if someone is stood outside with a wok |
| 08:50.58 | KotCzarny | who does? |
| 08:50.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:51.36 | lcuk_lap | this is certainly bigger and heavier than the 810 |
| 08:51.44 | lcuk_lap | and i keep wanting to touch the screen |
| 08:52.19 | lcuk_lap | fluffin ubuntu wants to download 300mb of updates |
| 08:52.24 | lcuk_lap | its as bad as windows ;) |
| 08:52.26 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 08:52.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:52.55 | lcuk_lap | ive got a command line thing which i can get to work directly from a console after i sudo su |
| 08:53.07 | lcuk_lap | but i cannot get it to work directly from a sudo line |
| 08:53.24 | KotCzarny | su - doesn't work? |
| 08:53.45 | lcuk_lap | i think its something to do with where the redirection goes. no, it works if i am in an su console |
| 08:54.03 | lcuk_lap | but i want it scripted and hence need it calling directly within a script |
| 08:54.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:55.00 | lcuk_lap | this is the line: echo "force_on:1" >/proc/acpi/toshiba/fan |
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| 08:55.24 | lcuk_lap | if i do: sudo echo "force_on:1" >/proc/acpi/toshiba/fan it doesnt work because the redirect comes from the results of the sudo |
| 08:55.30 | lcuk_lap | instead of the result of the echo |
| 08:55.51 | KotCzarny | you can always make a helper.. |
| 08:55.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:56.38 | lcuk_lap | thats what i thought the script was? is there a way to run the whole echo line including the redirect from the sudo? |
| 08:57.00 | KotCzarny | you can't chmod +s a script |
| 08:57.03 | lcuk_lap | i cant just quote the entire line because i am already using quotes in the command line |
| 08:57.06 | KotCzarny | that you can only do with binaries |
| 08:57.13 | lcuk_lap | no but ubuntu can make it executable |
| 08:57.28 | lcuk_lap | or rather "run this script as a program£" |
| 08:57.29 | KotCzarny | executable != binary |
| 08:57.56 | KotCzarny | you can execute both, but one calls interpreter |
| 08:58.16 | KotCzarny | and interpreter usually drops off chmod +s flag |
| 08:58.48 | Jaffa | lcuk_lap: you can use 'tee' to do the kind of thing you want |
| 08:59.05 | Jaffa | lcuk_lap: echo force_on:1 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan |
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| 09:04.20 | lcuk_lap | thx jaffa, but i just did some more checking and this appears to work: sudo su -c 'echo "force_on:1" >/proc/acpi/toshiba/fan' |
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| 09:04.35 | lcuk_lap | i forgot about the 2 types of quotes *doh* |
| 09:04.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:05.06 | lcuk_lap | might actually start to get all this eventually :) |
| 09:05.51 | lcuk_lap | downloads complete :) its installing all its crap now. i might actually swap main machine with laptop to force me to configure it |
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| 09:11.54 | lcuk_lap | wonders if he will be storyboarding apps before the end of the day |
| 09:12.21 | Tybor | oh my! chinook's kernel does not support anything else thatn jffs2, msdos and vfat! |
| 09:12.34 | KotCzarny | tybor, just insmod the proper modules.. |
| 09:12.37 | qwerty12 | Compile your own ;) |
| 09:12.39 | lcuk_lap | then make all your partitions fat and dont worry ;) |
| 09:13.23 | Italodance | ummm what is this theme? https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/795/docReader-0.1-operationtype.png |
| 09:13.39 | Tybor | KotCzarny: I've been looking for proper modules but it seems they haven't compiled them in |
| 09:13.43 | qwerty12 | A theme that doesn't exist for OS2008 |
| 09:14.13 | qwerty12 | Tybor, ext2 & 3 modules can be found in initfs. |
| 09:14.14 | KotCzarny | tybor, then you were looking in the wrong places.. |
| 09:14.21 | lcuk_lap | apple mac on n810! |
| 09:14.21 | KotCzarny | as they are on your device already |
| 09:14.26 | lcuk_lap | BOOM! |
| 09:14.28 | qwerty12 | in initfs |
| 09:14.29 | Tybor | mhmm... |
| 09:14.31 | Tybor | rechecks |
| 09:14.40 | KotCzarny | look in /mnt/something |
| 09:14.56 | qwerty12 | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6something |
| 09:15.10 | Italodance | hi qwerty12 yes that's a nice apple theme |
| 09:15.22 | qwerty12 | Hi, Which doesn't exist for Os2008 |
| 09:15.29 | qwerty12 | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-2.2007.50-2-custom.tar.gz for more fs modules |
| 09:15.36 | Italodance | :( |
| 09:17.06 | lcuk_lap | ok can i ask a question about file locations. in windows, i have an application path (which can store app global data), an all users path (which can store data for everyone on the machine) and a current user data area. from what i see on linux this is possible but i dont know the locations (sorry for length) |
| 09:17.45 | Jaffa | lcuk_lap: generally, app's global data (but not configuration) is in something like /usr/share/<app_name> |
| 09:18.18 | Jaffa | Current user data area is typically ~/.<app_name> |
| 09:20.03 | Jaffa | does a bit of bugzilla tidying |
| 09:20.21 | lcuk_lap | thx jaffa, but the missing one is machine wide data. ie suppose i wanted a shared message db so i could leave a message for tracy when she logs in. where would i put it? |
| 09:20.37 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.55 | KotCzarny | or /var/queue/<app_name> is possible too |
| 09:21.24 | KotCzarny | do ls /var and guess |
| 09:21.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:21.50 | lcuk_lap | thx kot, the messagedb was only an example but ill take a look |
| 09:22.08 | lcuk_lap | it seems like linux just sprays data around |
| 09:22.35 | lcuk_lap | actually thinks window is a tiny weenie bit more logicial in this dept ;) |
| 09:22.42 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 09:22.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:22.54 | lcuk_lap | i know lol just like to get heckles up# |
| 09:23.10 | KotCzarny | i hate it when windows apps put data in c:\windows |
| 09:23.11 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 09:23.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:23.27 | KotCzarny | and pretend that they haven't installed anything |
| 09:23.28 | KotCzarny | no no |
| 09:23.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:23.31 | lcuk_lap | my windows apps never do :) |
| 09:23.44 | KotCzarny | have you ever installed ie ? |
| 09:23.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:24.00 | lcuk_lap | thats not mine tho :P and besides ff works better |
| 09:24.12 | KotCzarny | btw. you should know about meaning of /usr, /var etc |
| 09:24.30 | lcuk_lap | usr isnt what i originally thought i know that much |
| 09:24.41 | KotCzarny | usr is mounted after boot |
| 09:24.46 | lcuk_lap | everytime i see it i go "not user" |
| 09:24.55 | KotCzarny | so anything not necessary to boot should go to /usr |
| 09:25.40 | lcuk_lap | meh, install only 60% complete why cant computer be as fast as my network |
| 09:26.58 | KotCzarny | at least you don't have to click 'next' |
| 09:26.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:27.12 | KotCzarny | lcuk: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilestruct.html |
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| 09:28.32 | KotCzarny | a little old, but roughly should give you some information |
| 09:28.38 | lcuk_lap | thx kot :) i never managed to find something so concise |
| 09:30.11 | lcuk_lap | ahhh, so if im reading that right on a full linux system i could find /home/gary and /home/tracy? |
| 09:30.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:30.26 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 09:30.33 | KotCzarny | and /home/ftp sometimes |
| 09:30.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:31.03 | lcuk_lap | no thats ok, but when logged in as one of them that is ~ |
| 09:31.22 | KotCzarny | yes, it's substituted by shell to the proper dir |
| 09:31.43 | KotCzarny | in binary programs you have to resolve it yourself though |
| 09:31.58 | KotCzarny | (i think there's a function for that) |
| 09:32.17 | lcuk_lap | ? so i cannot do fopen("~.liqbase/brain"); |
| 09:32.38 | lcuk_lap | or whatever the proper line would be |
| 09:34.22 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 09:34.54 | KotCzarny | i think you can create a directory with '~' in it |
| 09:35.10 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 09:35.16 | KotCzarny | because only char that's forbidden is '/' and \n |
| 09:35.27 | Jaffa | lcuk_lap: you can resolve the environment variable 'HOME' |
| 09:36.20 | lcuk_lap | but isnt home the base dir which contains all users? or is %HOME the equivilent of ~ |
| 09:36.35 | KotCzarny | $HOME |
| 09:36.41 | KotCzarny | forget '%'s |
| 09:36.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:36.45 | lcuk_lap | ok you know what i meant though :P |
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| 09:36.50 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 09:36.57 | KotCzarny | but start thinking *nixish |
| 09:36.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:37.10 | lcuk_lap | i would have tried it once and then worked out what was wrong |
| 09:37.18 | KotCzarny | k k |
| 09:37.21 | Italodance | external HDD can work with n800 usb yes? |
| 09:37.31 | lcuk_lap | powered i would imagine so |
| 09:37.41 | KotCzarny | do: man getenv |
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| 09:38.36 | KotCzarny | getenv('HOME'); will be the eqiv in c of $HOME |
| 09:38.41 | lcuk_lap | i will once i get this lump off my knee and get comfy. too many wires around (i just lost the mouse somewhere in duvet ;) |
| 09:39.09 | KotCzarny | you can ssh into that machine from tablet |
| 09:39.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:39.17 | KotCzarny | and read manuals on it |
| 09:40.52 | Italodance | can someone reply me? |
| 09:41.01 | KotCzarny | lcuk replied you |
| 09:41.06 | lcuk_lap | try it italo |
| 09:41.38 | lcuk_lap | i havent tried a drive, but i used my mem stick. as long as the drive is self powered i dont see why it would be any different |
| 09:41.59 | KotCzarny | lcuk: missing ntfs driver ;) |
| 09:42.11 | Italodance | ok lcuk_lap |
| 09:42.15 | lcuk_lap | most drives ive seen are still fat |
| 09:42.15 | KotCzarny | portable drives are usually owned by m$ windows |
| 09:42.25 | KotCzarny | fat on 80gb? |
| 09:42.27 | KotCzarny | not fun |
| 09:42.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:42.43 | qwerty12 | solmumaha, went and added usb ntfs support to N800 via fuse |
| 09:43.01 | qwerty12 | works well from what I've read, just plug in the drive |
| 09:43.09 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: i know it's possible, i only point what could be an obstacle |
| 09:43.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:43.22 | KotCzarny | i use ntfs-3g too |
| 09:43.24 | qwerty12 | :), fair enough |
| 09:43.35 | lcuk_lap | right, this has finished updating, maybe now i am on an actual device i can find an ide with sane documentation and file handling |
| 09:43.45 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 09:43.50 | KotCzarny | you have documentation.. |
| 09:43.54 | KotCzarny | use 'man' command |
| 09:44.01 | KotCzarny | and: 'apropos' |
| 09:44.14 | lcuk_lap | tries apt-get install visual-studio-6 and msdn ;) |
| 09:44.15 | KotCzarny | and 'info' (sometimes) |
| 09:44.27 | KotCzarny | that could work with wine i think |
| 09:44.39 | lcuk_lap | yer but not with linux apis |
| 09:45.01 | lcuk_lap | i dont wanna develop windows`apps in linux, but i like the old style ms ide :) |
| 09:45.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:45.09 | lcuk_lap | spits on .net |
| 09:45.28 | KotCzarny | i think there was a free borland ide studio |
| 09:45.41 | KotCzarny | something named with 'k' at the beginning |
| 09:45.49 | lcuk_lap | kylix |
| 09:45.52 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 09:45.56 | KotCzarny | that's the name |
| 09:46.07 | lcuk_lap | aint that pascal++ |
| 09:46.15 | lcuk_lap | not that thats a problem |
| 09:46.23 | KotCzarny | never used it |
| 09:46.30 | lcuk_lap | didnt either |
| 09:46.32 | KotCzarny | i always use mc for editing |
| 09:47.13 | lcuk_lap | im seriously pondering just building my own |
| 09:47.27 | KotCzarny | how about emacs? |
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| 09:47.49 | lcuk_lap | which will do all the "man *" and apropos and info stuff in the background and display for me |
| 09:47.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:48.09 | KotCzarny | i think it's doable |
| 09:48.14 | qwerty12 | before I go and mount initfs, does anyone know the linuxrc commands that show the picture of the 770 when you are in rd mode? |
| 09:48.21 | lcuk_lap | tbh, all the manuals wont help me - i need 2 killer features. |
| 09:48.40 | KotCzarny | name them |
| 09:48.53 | lcuk_lap | "find out what i have to include and link to obtain api function X()" |
| 09:49.00 | KotCzarny | grep |
| 09:49.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:49.20 | lcuk_lap | "open this sodding header file when i want to see its contents" |
| 09:49.30 | KotCzarny | i use mc for that |
| 09:49.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:49.39 | lcuk_lap | it annoys me that i want to read more and the editors just wont open for me |
| 09:50.24 | lcuk_lap | hmm must reboot first but apt-get install mc appears to want to work |
| 09:50.40 | KotCzarny | to want to work? |
| 09:51.10 | lcuk_lap | yer but its locked out at the mo |
| 09:51.25 | KotCzarny | mine grammar parser failed |
| 09:51.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:51.27 | lcuk_lap | i just did a massive system update and its moaning at me to reboot and apt is telling me its locked |
| 09:53.14 | lcuk_lap | right, ill reboot this and then shove mc on. you have praised it so many times i might as well see what its like |
| 09:53.30 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:53.41 | KotCzarny | if you ever used norton commander it should be familiar |
| 09:53.43 | KotCzarny | a little |
| 09:53.43 | lcuk_lap | back later :) thx for help kot and jaffa and others |
| 09:54.01 | lcuk_lap | you said its similar to dopus so i will be at homeish |
| 09:54.07 | qwerty12 | mc is great, I'd use it on my n800 if the terminal wasn't so crap. |
| 09:54.42 | lcuk_lap | reboots |
| 09:54.50 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: just use aterm or something |
| 09:54.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:55.34 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I don't have a Bluetooth keyboard and xkbd etc are a bit hard for me to use. |
| 09:55.52 | qwerty12 | rxvt compiles cleanly but I found it boring |
| 09:55.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:56.26 | KotCzarny | still, if you ssh into tablet, mc is a great help |
| 09:56.32 | qwerty12 | :), when I get a bluetooth keyboard, I will for sure get round to trying more applications. |
| 09:56.38 | qwerty12 | My router is crap :( |
| 09:56.51 | KotCzarny | change it? |
| 09:57.03 | KotCzarny | routers are dirt cheap now |
| 09:57.08 | KotCzarny | 5-25$ |
| 09:57.14 | KotCzarny | with wifi and switch |
| 09:57.18 | qwerty12 | I'm a tramp, I ain't got no money :P. I paid around $210 for the one I got :( |
| 09:57.29 | KotCzarny | huh?? |
| 09:57.39 | Tybor | **210**??? It's way too much! |
| 09:57.52 | qwerty12 | I bought it a long time ago but yes, I agree |
| 09:58.05 | KotCzarny | way too much. |
| 09:58.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:58.14 | qwerty12 | Yep, and it's a POS :P :D |
| 09:58.29 | Tybor | BTW, which modules shall I edit to make ext2 module get loaded at boot? The non-esistent in /etc or (if ever editable) the one in /mnt/initfs/etc? |
| 09:58.33 | KotCzarny | i don't mind pos if the price is right |
| 09:58.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:58.51 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, but this was a expensive POS :P. |
| 09:59.17 | KotCzarny | tybor: maybe add insmod commands to /etc/rc2.d/S99local ? |
| 09:59.43 | qwerty12 | Or if you plan on setting up initfs, bootmenu has a module loading feature |
| 09:59.50 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 09:59.53 | Tybor | KotCzarny: oh... that's better indeed |
| 09:59.56 | qwerty12 | I currently have mine set to load the framebuffer modules. |
| 10:01.50 | qwerty12 | fuxzores, you know the /scratchbox directory? is it owned by the sbox group or your user which you use to log into linux with? |
| 10:02.10 | KotCzarny | probably root |
| 10:02.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:02.42 | qwerty12 | Ah thanks, I'll take guesses :/ |
| 10:03.04 | KotCzarny | adding an sbox user creates proper subdirs |
| 10:03.07 | KotCzarny | for that user |
| 10:03.16 | qwerty12 | brb |
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| 10:06.53 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, thanks :). I just needed to set right permissions to /tmp |
| 10:15.29 | qwerty12 | "unable to get login information for username "faheem" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 65. |
| 10:15.29 | qwerty12 | " |
| 10:15.31 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 10:15.37 | qwerty12 | I royally fucked up. |
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| 10:29.19 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 10:29.22 | MangoFusion | hates building cross compilers |
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| 10:29.47 | qwerty12 | I've gone and messed it up. I don't want to remove and reinstall as I have a lot of libraries in it etc |
| 10:30.16 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 10:30.33 | KotCzarny | just remove the target/user ? |
| 10:30.51 | KotCzarny | it will remove that users libs/dirs though |
| 10:31.13 | MangoFusion | didn't you |
| 10:31.16 | MangoFusion | whats the word |
| 10:31.18 | MangoFusion | begins with b |
| 10:31.21 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Hmm, probably right but I'm really tired :( |
| 10:31.28 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 10:31.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:31.34 | KotCzarny | go get some sleep |
| 10:31.47 | muu | re |
| 10:31.58 | qwerty12 | It's 11:31 AM here, it's not my habit to sleep during the day :) |
| 10:32.06 | qwerty12 | But I go to sleep late at night <.< |
| 10:32.47 | KotCzarny | then name it a 'nap' and go to sleep |
| 10:32.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:33.51 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I really should do but I mentally cannot go to sleep in the day, it takes me a verryyyyyy long time and I wake up feeling very very weird, :) |
| 10:34.23 | KotCzarny | eat something good and sleepiness will come naturally |
| 10:34.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:34.49 | qwerty12 | Hehe, thanks :) |
| 10:41.03 | qwerty12 | Oh yeah, what is an oprofile kernel? (N800 wise) |
| 10:41.37 | KotCzarny | kind of debug enabled kernel |
| 10:42.05 | qwerty12 | Ah thanks, I've heard of it a few times, just didn't know what it was :) |
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| 11:29.59 | Jaffa | Doh. Clicked "publish" on a blog post rather than "save". |
| 11:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | goes to laugh at Jaffa's aborted blog post. |
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| 11:35.30 | lcuk | sells his laptop on ebay |
| 11:36.05 | keesj | did you recieve your eee ? |
| 11:36.33 | lcuk | no :( my missus gave me a speech about wasting money (she used expensive shoes as an example) |
| 11:36.54 | lcuk | and i managed to find a laptop with wifi that i could rebuild with ubuntu |
| 11:37.13 | keesj | :P |
| 11:37.57 | lcuk | but now after a royal battel i have an amazing theme on the laptop called "everything dark" its got black background with black text and amazingly black images |
| 11:38.00 | lcuk | sound works ok though |
| 11:38.06 | pupnik | can i has 60fps vsync? |
| 11:38.25 | pupnik | dcc's lcuk cheezburger |
| 11:39.20 | pupnik | prepares his hila-bots to invade lcuk's hous and steel his codez |
| 11:39.28 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/hillary_and_hillarie.jpg |
| 11:39.33 | lcuk | lol i just noticed loads of PMs waiting for me |
| 11:39.49 | lcuk | are you trying to buy my code with comical imagary of hillary |
| 11:40.05 | pupnik | i'm just being useless atm |
| 11:40.22 | lcuk | you're not the only one |
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| 11:40.59 | lcuk | so you ant to attempt to run emulator using the nice quick display code |
| 11:41.46 | lcuk | or you want to continue running it in sdl but ensuring it is flicker free |
| 11:42.03 | pupnik | i don't know how sdl triggers refresh |
| 11:42.08 | pupnik | or how to surpress that |
| 11:42.20 | pupnik | with the small window, i get enough performance i think with sdl blit @ 16bpp |
| 11:42.44 | lcuk | i agree, but whats needed is the removal of tearing |
| 11:42.59 | pupnik | yeah i'm kind of scared/lazy to get into that |
| 11:45.07 | lcuk | ill gladly let you have a look, but im not doing anything special with the refresh, just xv library raises an X event when its finished sending data after I call putimage |
| 11:45.53 | lcuk | does the tearing occur all the time, or does it depend upon the speed of your refreshing |
| 11:46.15 | lcuk | not refreshing -> frame generating |
| 11:46.24 | Cptnodegard | is there a faster PDF reader for the it? the built in one is SLOW |
| 11:46.54 | pupnik | happens all the time. emulator exceeds 60fps on N810 and 770 |
| 11:47.08 | pupnik | according to emulator |
| 11:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Evince, Cptnodegard. |
| 11:47.29 | lcuk | but do you know how long it takes to actually send a screen? |
| 11:47.31 | pupnik | rather it tries to hit 60fps. if i remove the wait loop it exceeds |
| 11:47.37 | pupnik | nope |
| 11:47.40 | lcuk | infact, hangon, doesnt sdl have double buffering |
| 11:47.49 | lcuk | waitloop? |
| 11:47.50 | pupnik | not on maemo |
| 11:48.18 | pupnik | it computes, waits, draws, computes, waits, draws |
| 11:48.19 | Cptnodegard | GeneralAntilles: does it work well? the internal one maxes the cpu from trying to check bass tables alone -__- |
| 11:48.20 | lcuk | how long are you trying to wait for? just until you hit 60fps, or a specified period |
| 11:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's a lot faster. |
| 11:48.32 | pupnik | until next 1/60th of a second |
| 11:49.10 | lcuk | need timings really to "simlulate" the expected delay required |
| 11:49.34 | pupnik | it has a little timer and wait loop. what is cur time, what is time-to-update, sleep usec |
| 11:49.51 | pupnik | well not loop - |
| 11:49.56 | lcuk | at the start of all this i was looking at sdl, and tbh even though im playing and doing nice stuff with the xv it would be beneficial to the community as a whole to see if sdl can be made to work |
| 11:51.22 | pupnik | yessir |
| 11:51.28 | lcuk | you moved past your landscape thingy didnt you. from what i saw that didnt exhibit dreadful tearing though (or didnt appear to) |
| 11:52.20 | pupnik | i don't remember |
| 11:52.21 | lcuk | (i moved away from sdl because fullscreen 800*480) wasnt as fast on sdl because of a whole buffered page |
| 11:52.50 | lcuk | but at the lower resolutions i really dont see why it tears |
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| 11:53.31 | lcuk | lemme just fire up the couple of sdl projects ive got and see if i can see problem |
| 11:53.39 | gribouille | hi |
| 11:53.42 | lcuk | unless youve got something simple as a testcase |
| 11:53.53 | pupnik | i can give you the emu source |
| 11:54.04 | pupnik | but that's not so simple |
| 11:54.06 | gribouille | I jave a problem with ossofilemanager : it doesn't show all the files |
| 11:54.12 | lcuk | ok but i might end up not seeing the wood for the trees |
| 11:54.26 | pupnik | yeah |
| 11:54.38 | pupnik | well dude i will try to do work today. sorry to pestery you |
| 11:54.40 | lcuk | tell ya what, hold on that for a minute |
| 11:55.02 | pupnik | bbiam |
| 11:55.07 | lcuk | hey no prob - we both want best quality possible and linuxtag is nearly hear |
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| 11:55.19 | lcuk | im happy to have a look and at least see if anything can be done |
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| 11:56.00 | lcuk | gribouille, whats missing |
| 11:57.12 | gribouille | lcuk, for example, I have downloaded a video, but the video doesn't appear in the file manager |
| 11:57.28 | lcuk | are you looking in the correct location? |
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| 11:58.05 | gribouille | lcuk, I think so |
| 11:58.25 | lcuk | downloading video from where? the internet or over the wifi from your computer |
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| 11:58.43 | gribouille | lcuk, ues |
| 11:58.45 | lcuk | and where are you saving it to |
| 11:58.45 | gribouille | lcuk, yes |
| 11:58.55 | gribouille | the video is in /home/user |
| 11:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | Use emelfm or xterm or something |
| 11:59.46 | GeneralAntilles | GMPlayer should see it. |
| 12:00.09 | lcuk | there ya go, i was just gonna say that ;) |
| 12:00.21 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, exactly. but why doesnt File manager show everything ? |
| 12:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's "user friendly" |
| 12:00.40 | lcuk | because file manager is a user application. users dont care about the innards |
| 12:00.50 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, it is for Mac OS users |
| 12:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | is an OS X user. |
| 12:01.17 | lcuk | is an X os user |
| 12:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | PUN FAIL! |
| 12:01.36 | lcuk | solders wires to the motherboard to type |
| 12:01.48 | gribouille | is an ubuntu user |
| 12:12.19 | Cptnodegard | indeed this is WAY(!!!) faster GeneralAntilles |
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| 12:16.56 | gribouille | in File Manager, how can I associate an app with a file type ? |
| 12:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194 gribouille |
| 12:24.10 | Cptnodegard | pfft |
| 12:24.16 | Cptnodegard | is there a good torrent site for magazines? |
| 12:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | Magazines suck. |
| 12:25.17 | Cptnodegard | no |
| 12:25.23 | Cptnodegard | i got nothing else to do |
| 12:25.28 | GeneralAntilles | ebooks! |
| 12:26.27 | Cptnodegard | meh |
| 12:26.30 | Cptnodegard | takes too long |
| 12:26.31 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, what do I have to put in /usr/share/applications/ ? |
| 12:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | For what? |
| 12:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | mime type handling? |
| 12:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, never looked into it. |
| 12:27.07 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, for flv videos |
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| 12:46.45 | gribouille | can't the video player play mpeg videos ? |
| 12:46.53 | fysa | anyone here using T-Zones for bluetooth DUN? |
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| 12:51.21 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: http://www.maemopeople.org/media/users/jaffa/corporate-open-source-triangle.png is going to be part of my blog post |
| 12:51.26 | Jaffa | Inkscape FTW! |
| 12:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | Put little pictures of Darth Vader on the bottom left. |
| 12:52.12 | Jaffa | heh :) |
| 12:53.18 | Jaffa | I think we can agree we're closer to the bottom left than anywhere else, ATM ;-) |
| 12:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | Sadly. :( |
| 12:54.40 | lcuk | pupnik |
| 12:54.41 | johnx | meh...it could be a lot worse |
| 12:55.21 | Jaffa | True, but for an essay on "maemo.org: what next?" saying "it could be worse" isn't going to push us forwards ;-) |
| 12:55.34 | johnx | oh, I completely agree :) |
| 12:55.47 | pupnik | what what |
| 12:56.32 | lcuk | step into my office ;) |
| 12:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I'm sure you know, but hitting on the reasons openness and more community involvement would benefit Nokia would probably the most effective method to get a response. |
| 12:57.23 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 12:57.27 | johnx | yes! so much yes! what he said |
| 12:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | Appeal to their rational self-interest. :D |
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| 12:59.29 | johnx | If we can actually get to the point where getting a hildonized app from Ubuntu Mobile to Maemo it will pretty much cement hildon as the UI of choice for mobile linux |
| 12:59.33 | Jaffa | Companies love their bottom line |
| 13:00.03 | johnx | s/Maemo it/Maemo is *really easy* it/g |
| 13:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if putting it in the form of an open letter would be useful. |
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| 14:19.16 | johnx | Can someone suggest someplace to start to get a list of non-free packages in maemo? Should I just screenscrap the index of the repository or can someone think of a better way? Does apt have a "license" field somewhere? |
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| 14:21.36 | Jaffa | Compare the directory listings for the source repo vs. the binary repo? |
| 14:22.23 | johnx | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 14:22.55 | johnx | I just figured someone might pop in here with a really easy way to do it. :D |
| 14:25.53 | johnx | really wishes apt had a license field :/ |
| 14:25.58 | RST38h | conquered gconf |
| 14:26.15 | RST38h | [hasn't been easy - a lot of API is kinda artificial] |
| 14:28.35 | Jaffa | johnx/GeneralAntilles: comments welcome on http://bleb.org/software/maemo/next-draft.html |
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| 14:33.35 | MangoFusion | it really does surprises me how easily compiling an older version of gcc with a newer version results in insanity |
| 14:33.40 | Jaffa | lcuk too, if you're about. |
| 14:36.00 | RST38h | Jaffa: The "work with Intel/Ubuntu" comment is kind of redundant |
| 14:36.15 | Jaffa | true |
| 14:36.21 | RST38h | As far as I know, they made use of Hildon but ignored the rest |
| 14:36.29 | RST38h | So it is kind of a one-way street right now |
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| 14:37.22 | RST38h | Also, as cute as their Moblin stuff is, it currenty works on exactly ONE UMPC from ONE manufacturer (Samsung) and that device is a full-featured PC. It can run XP |
| 14:37.55 | Jaffa | tacks on the end of that point: "; to ensure that Moblin, UME and maemo don't splinter and that porting applications between them, and innovations made by one company can be reused without being dismissed because of "Not Invented Here" syndrome." |
| 14:38.03 | RST38h | Until Moblin works on low-specced devices like IT, it is irrelevant (and I am sure Intel intends to keep it that way - they are not selling ARM based devices) |
| 14:38.04 | AStorm | :> |
| 14:38.14 | AStorm | Why wouldn't it work there? |
| 14:38.16 | RST38h | Jaffa: Already splintered. |
| 14:38.19 | AStorm | Are apps too heavy? |
| 14:38.32 | RST38h | It is most likely too heavy for ITs |
| 14:38.43 | Jaffa | RST38h: indeed; but they're innovating in the UI space and are developing more in the open. |
| 14:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | I'd expound a bit on the value-added part of openness. |
| 14:38.59 | RST38h | Jaffa: they ain't innovating in UI space |
| 14:39.02 | Jaffa | isn't saying that UME should be used instead of maemo |
| 14:39.06 | Jaffa | RST38h: more so than Nokia |
| 14:39.21 | RST38h | Jaffa: Apple is innovating in the UI space. Microsoft is (see the Table). Moblin is not |
| 14:39.39 | AStorm | Yup, Moblin is very similar to Maemo... |
| 14:39.46 | AStorm | (as far as UI goes) |
| 14:40.07 | RST38h | Jaffa: Nokia actually is (a little bit), just makes sure to call it "Handful's hobby project" ;) |
| 14:40.13 | AStorm | I had a few ideas about nicer UI, but these required a 3D chip. |
| 14:40.39 | Jaffa | was trying to avoid iPhone comparisons as they generate more heat than light; and was trying to stay focused on maemo. Saying "throw out Hildon, copy the iPhone and Canola" is not realistic at this point (or, at least, I'd be very surprised) |
| 14:40.51 | Jaffa | RST38h: INDt are always at pains to point out they ain't Nokia. |
| 14:40.53 | RST38h | BTW, I still do not understand why everybody is so bent against Maemo UI. It's simple and does the job and can be incrementally improved |
| 14:40.59 | AStorm | Canola isn't that good IMO |
| 14:41.01 | RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, yea ;) |
| 14:41.02 | AStorm | too many clicks |
| 14:41.03 | VRe | I can not see, how atom based devices can ever get to the size of n8x0 with the same battery life. |
| 14:41.13 | RST38h | AStorm: well, they are experimenting |
| 14:41.13 | Jaffa | "ever" is a strong word in computing |
| 14:41.22 | AStorm | yup |
| 14:41.31 | AStorm | but the interface feels much too slow |
| 14:41.39 | RST38h | probably has to disclose that he is an Intel employee... |
| 14:41.49 | AStorm | It's well suited for tiny screens though |
| 14:41.54 | Jaffa | doesn't think Canola's innovating either. For maemo software, perhaps; but there's no real difference between Canola, MythTV, Freevo and the iPhone. |
| 14:41.58 | RST38h | (not directly dealing with Atom though) |
| 14:42.07 | AStorm | but not for screen that large Nxxx have |
| 14:42.17 | RST38h | Jaffa: Their input methods are pretty innovative |
| 14:42.31 | RST38h | Jaffa: some presentation stuff as well (like pictures browsing) |
| 14:42.42 | AStorm | what input methods? |
| 14:42.51 | Jaffa | dittos AStorm. |
| 14:42.54 | AStorm | you mean scrolling? baaaah |
| 14:42.54 | RST38h | As a whole, Canola is not a huge innovation, but it is a nice workbench |
| 14:42.57 | VRe | There could be different app-launchers, canola like, the one we have now etc. They could even make a desktop applet which is canola like.. |
| 14:43.03 | RST38h | meant scrolling |
| 14:43.22 | RST38h | VRe: Canola is a PMP. Why do you need everything to look like canola? |
| 14:43.29 | Jaffa | VRe: they did. It's in moblin (both Clutter and Flash-based). Their home screen draggable app launcher is a Hildon Desktop plugin |
| 14:43.41 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 14:43.42 | VRe | Jaffa: Ok, so there is selecting then |
| 14:43.46 | RST38h | Use similar presentation and input techniques - yes, definitely. But *be* Canola? |
| 14:43.51 | AStorm | RST38h: well, scrolling is simple |
| 14:43.54 | Jaffa | RST38h: the scrolling's "just" a copy of the iPhone (and a somewhat ropey implementation at that) |
| 14:44.10 | RST38h | Jaffa: It is not: iPhone has completely different touch screen hw |
| 14:44.12 | RST38h | Can't copy it |
| 14:44.16 | AStorm | it's simple because you just need some threshold of dragging |
| 14:44.20 | RST38h | It is similar but not the same |
| 14:44.30 | AStorm | yup, Nxxx doesn't have multitouch - non-capacitive screen |
| 14:44.45 | VRe | RST38h: Well, not canola, I think its more iphone anyways.. or palm style (without scrolling) |
| 14:44.47 | AStorm | what I'd love in Nxxx is gestures |
| 14:45.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: The implementation might be "innovative" then, being able to do it on a passive touchscreen, but the UI isn't. |
| 14:45.01 | AStorm | there were some apps for Linux, but very undeveloped |
| 14:45.13 | AStorm | with a touchscreen, you could literally draw these |
| 14:45.26 | RST38h | Jaffa: UI is not |
| 14:46.42 | RST38h | wonders how long it will take for some enterprising character to write a Maemo desktop plugin that takes the whole desktop and looks exactly like iPhone... |
| 14:46.45 | VRe | The best would be that all is visible on the screen and there is no need to scroll around, looks cool but takes time |
| 14:46.58 | AStorm | RST38h: that would be copyright infringement |
| 14:46.59 | gribouille | the video player can't play my mpeg videos |
| 14:47.02 | RST38h | actually, leave 50-pixels at the right free for email/time/etc plugins |
| 14:47.03 | AStorm | and multitouch is impossible |
| 14:47.15 | RST38h | AStorm: Not really: Moblin is doing it and they are still aflotat |
| 14:47.16 | AStorm | gribouille: built-in player needs vids to be 800x480 or smaller |
| 14:47.18 | AStorm | mplayer can scale |
| 14:47.28 | AStorm | RST38h: not similar enough :> |
| 14:47.35 | RST38h | AStorm: exactly ;) |
| 14:47.38 | AStorm | gribouille: canola uses mplayer too |
| 14:47.42 | RST38h | That was what I meant ;) |
| 14:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, somebody already did |
| 14:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | though it's not a plugin. |
| 14:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | just a Python application |
| 14:47.55 | AStorm | ah right |
| 14:47.57 | gribouille | wgy doesn't the video player use mplayer ? |
| 14:47.58 | RST38h | General: Yes, but that one was impractical ;( |
| 14:48.08 | AStorm | gribouille: because it uses gstreamer |
| 14:48.22 | AStorm | and they haven't written a scale plugin for some reason or another |
| 14:48.40 | Jaffa | There *is* an app launcher for maemo which copies the iPhone's home screen |
| 14:48.46 | AStorm | mplayer is fairly heavy too, and less integrated than gstreamer system |
| 14:49.09 | gribouille | AStorm, what is the advantage of gstreamer ? |
| 14:49.18 | AStorm | gribouille: http://www.gstreamer.org |
| 14:49.21 | AStorm | :-) |
| 14:49.31 | AStorm | it's nice and pluggable |
| 14:49.41 | AStorm | a comfy programming interface too |
| 14:49.45 | AStorm | and GNOME uses it |
| 14:50.07 | RST38h | Jaffa: URL? |
| 14:50.23 | AStorm | blah, I don't like iPhone UI that much |
| 14:50.28 | RST38h | would prefer /dev/dsp to GStreamer any time |
| 14:50.42 | AStorm | RST38h: lol, w/o picking Hz? |
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| 14:51.01 | RST38h | AStorm: Maemo GStreamer has problems playing samples at anything but 44.1kHz anyway |
| 14:51.04 | AStorm | for /dev/dsp to work fine you need to have some (propietary) comm mechanism |
| 14:51.12 | AStorm | RST38h: that's because of esd |
| 14:51.19 | AStorm | not gstreamer per se |
| 14:51.25 | RST38h | has comm mechanisms implemented eons ago |
| 14:51.27 | AStorm | you could probably switch it to direct ALSA |
| 14:51.41 | AStorm | RST38h: is OSS mechanism standarised enough? |
| 14:51.42 | RST38h | It's ok - I already integrated gstreamer support |
| 14:51.47 | RST38h | AStorm: More or less |
| 14:51.47 | AStorm | does it provide latency info? :-) |
| 14:51.58 | AStorm | buffer size? channel number? |
| 14:52.06 | gribouille | AStorm, the video player can't play a video like this : VIDEO: MPEG1 320x240 (aspect 1) 25.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) |
| 14:52.07 | RST38h | Not really, but who gives a damn, just saturate the thing with data |
| 14:52.25 | AStorm | 0.0 kbps? wtf? |
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| 14:52.31 | lcuk | jaffa im not about proprly yet but i will be later, just send me a reminder to liquid on gmail |
| 14:52.38 | gribouille | I don't know |
| 14:52.43 | RST38h | And you *can* set buffer size for /dev/dsp, no problem with that |
| 14:52.46 | AStorm | RST38h: well, ALSA got one thing right, and one thing wrong |
| 14:52.50 | gribouille | that's mplayer's output |
| 14:53.00 | AStorm | gribouille: something is wrong with the movie |
| 14:53.11 | AStorm | probably broken header |
| 14:53.20 | gribouille | AStorm, maybe, but mplayer plays it normally |
| 14:53.40 | AStorm | RST38h: right was plugins, wrong was complex API |
| 14:53.45 | gribouille | AStorm, I converted a flash video with ffmpeg |
| 14:53.54 | AStorm | gribouille: hmm, weird, should work |
| 14:53.58 | RST38h | AStorm: That is a common mistake :) |
| 14:54.03 | AStorm | btw, flv can be played by mplayer |
| 14:54.18 | RST38h | Weird how few people understand that you only need 2 API calls for audio |
| 14:54.19 | AStorm | RST38h: well, gstreamer fixed the latter |
| 14:54.27 | AStorm | and it does have 3 calls |
| 14:54.35 | AStorm | to sound :P |
| 14:54.36 | RST38h | WriteAudio() and GetFreeAudio() |
| 14:54.43 | AStorm | RST38h: which Audio? PCM? |
| 14:54.45 | AStorm | :P |
| 14:54.45 | RST38h | Yea, probably Open/Close as well :) |
| 14:54.53 | RST38h | Just about any streaming audio |
| 14:54.57 | AStorm | nah |
| 14:55.02 | AStorm | that would need filetype detection |
| 14:55.06 | Jaffa | RST38h: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/itablet/ |
| 14:55.14 | AStorm | gst sidesteps that by using MIME types all around |
| 14:55.20 | AStorm | and separate detection plugin |
| 14:55.21 | RST38h | AStorm: But I do not play audio files, I play data buffers |
| 14:55.40 | AStorm | RST38h: ah, then, it's simple, init the sink and send away |
| 14:55.42 | AStorm | :-) |
| 14:55.53 | RST38h | Jaffa: Not a plugin. An app. Written in Python. Too bad :( |
| 14:55.57 | AStorm | but the problem is you need decoding anyway |
| 14:56.10 | AStorm | btw, my charger broke, again! |
| 14:56.14 | Jaffa | RST38h: wouldn't be hard to do a Hildon Desktop version now |
| 14:56.14 | RST38h | AStorm: yea, but you can tell the nature of the data when initing |
| 14:56.26 | AStorm | RST38h: and have automatic decoding |
| 14:56.31 | RST38h | Jaffa: I guess so. Still waiting for a hero who makes it ;) |
| 14:56.36 | AStorm | yes, that's what high-level GSt looks like |
| 14:56.52 | RST38h | AStorm: format detection isn't something audio API has to do, IMHO |
| 14:57.01 | AStorm | ok, where do I get a resilient charger for Nxxx? |
| 14:57.10 | AStorm | with a plug that doesn't break after 2 weeks? |
| 14:57.18 | RST38h | Isn't the standard one good enough? |
| 14:57.23 | AStorm | broke! |
| 14:57.24 | AStorm | :P |
| 14:57.37 | AStorm | aluminum plugs = junk |
| 14:57.44 | RST38h | Europlug or US? |
| 14:57.47 | AStorm | no no |
| 14:57.52 | AStorm | the small 5V plug broke |
| 14:57.57 | RST38h | Ah |
| 14:58.09 | RST38h | The flimsy little 5V plug |
| 14:58.13 | AStorm | yup |
| 14:58.21 | AStorm | it'd need iridium or at least steel |
| 14:58.25 | RST38h | Is there a RadioShack around? |
| 14:58.26 | AStorm | to be resilient enough |
| 14:58.32 | AStorm | RST38h: nah, wrong country |
| 14:59.05 | RST38h | Ummm....Maybe make one from a catether needle? |
| 14:59.10 | AStorm | hmmmmmm |
| 14:59.15 | AStorm | that's steel all right |
| 14:59.18 | RST38h | That one won't break |
| 14:59.20 | gribouille | how can I map flv videos to mplayer ? |
| 14:59.21 | AStorm | but solder would |
| 14:59.26 | AStorm | gribouille: as in? |
| 14:59.40 | AStorm | gribouille: I'd use canola anyway :> |
| 14:59.42 | RST38h | Depends on how you solder it |
| 14:59.58 | AStorm | RST38h: in any way, it won't solder well |
| 15:00.03 | gribouille | AStorm, but it doesnt play flash videos |
| 15:00.10 | AStorm | gribouille: wrong! it does |
| 15:00.16 | gribouille | let's try |
| 15:00.25 | AStorm | but be sure to get the recent version, (like beta7 or newer) |
| 15:00.31 | AStorm | it even has a youtube plugin |
| 15:00.49 | qwerty12 | it wont index flv files you have already saved. |
| 15:00.56 | RST38h | AStorm: you can make a few notches on it with a file, then wrap the wire around these, and use some evil compound when soldering |
| 15:01.09 | AStorm | RST38h: hmm, yup, increase surface |
| 15:01.17 | gribouille | AStorm, I tried the youtube plugin, but it failed miserably |
| 15:01.21 | AStorm | but it will still break the same |
| 15:01.31 | RST38h | And then, just to be sure, deep the whole thing into "liquid metal" epoxy |
| 15:01.46 | RST38h | Everything will break when pushed hard enough. |
| 15:02.06 | AStorm | the problem is that in both cases it broke just after the pin |
| 15:02.25 | AStorm | at the point it connects to the rest of the plug |
| 15:02.29 | gribouille | AStorm, canola doesn't show flash videos in my video folder |
| 15:02.36 | AStorm | gribouille: what qwerty12 said |
| 15:02.49 | AStorm | put these into its youtube save folder |
| 15:03.04 | gribouille | AStorm, where is it ? |
| 15:03.36 | qwerty12 | Sigh, I have to reinstall scratchbox :( |
| 15:03.39 | AStorm | you can pick that one |
| 15:03.42 | AStorm | in Settings |
| 15:04.00 | AStorm | they'll probably fix the scanner some more in the next version |
| 15:04.14 | qwerty12 | its planned. |
| 15:04.30 | AStorm | I hope Vorbis will work |
| 15:04.43 | gribouille | AStorm, is it 'My download folder' ? |
| 15:04.46 | qwerty12 | AStorm, There's a deb for vorbis in canola |
| 15:05.07 | AStorm | qwerty12: sorry, can't test that yet |
| 15:05.16 | AStorm | is it that ogg-support, or something more? |
| 15:05.35 | AStorm | qwerty12: first, I need a non-breaking charger |
| 15:05.41 | gribouille | where does canola put the videos it downloads ? |
| 15:05.45 | qwerty12 | AStorm, Ogg-support is needed for codecs but then there is another deb. I'll search it up. |
| 15:05.54 | AStorm | qwerty12: wait with that |
| 15:05.59 | AStorm | I'd have to bookmark it |
| 15:06.10 | qwerty12 | Skeen. |
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| 15:09.00 | qwerty12 | I got a question, what benefits does an oprofile kernel give? |
| 15:10.07 | AStorm | you can run oprofile with it |
| 15:10.12 | AStorm | and profile the kernel and apps |
| 15:10.38 | qwerty12 | Ah nice :), my CPU is always on full usage for some reason and [h]top gives me rubbish results. |
| 15:10.42 | johnx | was distracted for a while, reads through backlog + Jaffa's "What's next" |
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| 15:17.12 | AStorm | btw, is it possible to reassemble keys (I mean physical) on N810? |
| 15:17.18 | AStorm | switch the layout |
| 15:17.58 | qwerty12 | brb, got to log out to set up sbox |
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| 15:19.21 | eathprod | Was an intresting post on internettablettalk.com about firewall and security, i didnt understand all what was said, but as i understand it, there is iptables at the bottom of the system, would it be possible for somone to make a script to make it run useful? |
| 15:19.42 | qwerty12 | Believe me, meanwhile was chatting out of his ass. |
| 15:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, eathprod, it'd be worthwhile to ignore basically everything that meanwhile "contributed" to that thread. ;) |
| 15:21.33 | AStorm | eathprod: well, there is iptables |
| 15:21.39 | Navi | iptables isn't that hard to understand. |
| 15:21.44 | AStorm | you can use it |
| 15:21.59 | AStorm | and maybe firehol or some other frontend could be ported |
| 15:22.02 | Navi | Though, I've always missed ipfw from my BSD days |
| 15:22.12 | gribouille | does anyone know if there is a better shell than ash ? |
| 15:22.15 | AStorm | I'm not sure if an useful modules have been built |
| 15:22.19 | AStorm | gribouille: sure, bash |
| 15:22.24 | johnx | eathprod, what do you want to do with your firewall? try and keep people out? or try and restrict net access from apps running |
| 15:22.29 | AStorm | and the default isn't ash, but msh (from busybox) |
| 15:22.29 | sp3000 | the b is for better! :P |
| 15:22.36 | gribouille | AStorm, ut doesn't seem to be a good idea to install it |
| 15:22.52 | GeneralAntilles | nitapps.com, gribouille |
| 15:23.02 | AStorm | yup, that one has bash3 |
| 15:23.12 | eathprod | i know it will be "fireproof" but if somthing could make it better it would be wothwhile |
| 15:23.14 | AStorm | you can replace /bin/sh with it w/o harm too |
| 15:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | The default says "ash" over here, AStorm. |
| 15:23.17 | AStorm | :-) |
| 15:23.19 | eathprod | wont be* |
| 15:23.29 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: possible, but it isn't that ash Debian uses |
| 15:23.37 | AStorm | it still is busybox ash, which sucks :P |
| 15:23.54 | qwerty12 | I didn't like bash tbh on my tablet. bash on my computer is great but I found ash to be more suited for the tablet. |
| 15:24.09 | AStorm | in what? |
| 15:24.15 | AStorm | it doesn't have *anything* |
| 15:24.21 | gribouille | if I want to install bash, apt-get will remove 129 packages ! |
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| 15:24.27 | Navi | I find bash sucks either way. |
| 15:24.27 | AStorm | gribouille: no, nitapps.com |
| 15:24.33 | AStorm | not the one in repos |
| 15:24.36 | RST38h | Cooool |
| 15:24.40 | AStorm | that one is for scratchbox or hax0rs ;P |
| 15:24.44 | RST38h | [whispers] tcsh |
| 15:24.51 | AStorm | RST38h: noooooo! |
| 15:24.55 | RST38h | yes. |
| 15:25.06 | johnx | eathprod, basically, by default, ITOS isn't listening on any ports, and only programs that *you* install have net access. If you do install a malicious program by accident, chances are it will also be smart enough to subvert your firewall...sooo, unless you have a specific use in mind for iptables, I wouldn't worry about it |
| 15:25.10 | qwerty12 | tsch any good? |
| 15:25.14 | AStorm | RST38h: no, I want a Python shell. |
| 15:25.22 | AStorm | like ipython, but slightly different |
| 15:25.44 | Navi | qwerty12, it's like csh |
| 15:25.45 | johnx | qwerty12, I prefer the bourne-based shells to the c-based shells |
| 15:25.45 | RST38h | AStorm: Weird. Is it difficult to compile? |
| 15:25.59 | AStorm | RST38h: what? ipython? no |
| 15:26.04 | qwerty12 | Ah thanks. |
| 15:26.05 | elb | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ |
| 15:26.05 | Navi | prefers zsh |
| 15:26.09 | AStorm | it just doesn't run normal commands by default |
| 15:26.09 | RST38h | qwerty: csh/tcsh are standard on BSD systems |
| 15:26.21 | AStorm | RST38h: which is unfortunate and sucky |
| 15:26.24 | Navi | and dash for lower systems |
| 15:26.29 | RST38h | qwerty: so every time I have to deal with bash, it feels wrong |
| 15:26.37 | AStorm | Navi: zsh actually isn't that much better |
| 15:26.45 | RST38h | qwerty: that is the only reason really |
| 15:26.50 | eathprod | johnx, thanks for the answer, i guess basic healty thinking and dowload from trusted sources is good enuf |
| 15:26.50 | Navi | AStorm, than what, bash? |
| 15:26.53 | AStorm | RST38h: because you're wrong, not the shell :P |
| 15:27.01 | AStorm | Navi: why not, but then, bash isn't the best |
| 15:27.11 | AStorm | I'd love fish, but debroken and improved |
| 15:27.15 | qwerty12 | I've only ever used bash and ash :/. But surely they are easy to port to the tablet? I'd try but scratchbox is officialy over for me. |
| 15:27.16 | Navi | AStorm, then what were you comparing it to? |
| 15:27.21 | AStorm | and also, POSIX sh is anywhere |
| 15:27.25 | AStorm | Navi: to nothing special |
| 15:27.29 | Navi | :/ |
| 15:27.31 | johnx | eathprod, there are a lot of smart people here and on the forums. Chances are anyone writing malicious code will get caught out pretty quick |
| 15:27.35 | AStorm | zsh is better than bash, but only minimally |
| 15:28.04 | Navi | I take zsh's scripting and tab completion over bash any day |
| 15:28.08 | lopz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.27 | AStorm | Navi: well, tab completion is configurable in bash |
| 15:28.28 | Navi | Not just a minor improvement, imo |
| 15:28.31 | AStorm | the defaults are diff |
| 15:28.40 | AStorm | zsh scripting isn't better, just different |
| 15:28.53 | johnx | eathprod, that being said, there are nice tracking programs you can run to easily see what programs are connecting to where: netstat is one of them (try netstat -ltau in the x terminal) |
| 15:29.09 | gribouille | if I install bash3, will it break my yablet ? |
| 15:29.10 | Navi | AStorm, if I prefer it, it's better to me. |
| 15:29.13 | AStorm | gribouille: no |
| 15:29.26 | gribouille | AStorm, can I install it safely ? |
| 15:29.28 | AStorm | Navi: exactly, qualified speech is the win ;) |
| 15:29.31 | AStorm | gribouille: YES. |
| 15:29.33 | eathprod | johnx, i will look into it when i get it conected, thanks |
| 15:30.11 | NOCmadman | is there a way i can tell what is causing my n800 to take so long to poweron ? it hangs at the nokia screen for a very long time. It did not do this before i updated. I am running os2008 |
| 15:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have swap enabled? |
| 15:30.44 | qwerty12 | NOCmadman, fanoush written some good stuff about checking. |
| 15:30.59 | NOCmadman | i did but i turned it off when I updated |
| 15:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | Swap + corrupt internal card has been known to cause those symptoms. |
| 15:32.41 | NOCmadman | i am constantly using internal card and swap is turned off so guess im back to square 1 |
| 15:34.26 | AStorm | NOCmadman: check partition layout of that card |
| 15:34.33 | AStorm | there's some info on forums |
| 15:36.12 | gribouille | I clicked on the link 'Install catalogue' on http://nitapps.com/, but it didn't work |
| 15:36.37 | johnx | click save page, then open it in file manager |
| 15:38.54 | johnx | ...or "install from file" directly in application manager after saving the page |
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| 15:43.38 | gribouille | I wonder what there is in this catalogue |
| 15:43.51 | johnx | nitapps? just what you see on the front page I think |
| 15:44.07 | johnx | battery status, light meter and temp sensor seem like the coolest ones to me |
| 15:44.41 | gribouille | johnx, but the packages don't appear in the software manager |
| 15:44.56 | johnx | you might have to install them with apt-get |
| 15:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 15:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | Did you refresh. |
| 15:45.12 | johnx | or you might not :D |
| 15:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | They're all in User/ |
| 15:45.23 | gribouille | it normally does when you install a new catalogue |
| 15:46.48 | qwerty12 | I can verify that battery-status is in the application manager catalogue. I use all. |
| 15:47.21 | AStorm | johnx: I'd love real applets for these |
| 15:47.23 | gribouille | foe example, color-ls appears neither in the available applications list, nor in the installed applications list |
| 15:47.38 | johnx | AStorm, you mean home screen applets? |
| 15:47.43 | AStorm | johnx: yup |
| 15:47.43 | qwerty12 | Well of course it isn't going to be in installed application list. |
| 15:47.44 | johnx | that would be kind of neat... |
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| 15:47.54 | qwerty12 | But color-ls is in available apps. |
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| 15:48.08 | johnx | I wonder how hard homeip and homecpuspeed are to hack |
| 15:48.23 | AStorm | well, is it just some GTK? |
| 15:48.24 | RST38h | they are all written in python afaik |
| 15:48.25 | qwerty12 | Not really, they are just python |
| 15:48.32 | AStorm | PyGTK then? |
| 15:48.37 | AStorm | with a transparent PNG? |
| 15:48.43 | AStorm | like screenlets? |
| 15:48.47 | AStorm | or PyCairo? |
| 15:48.47 | qwerty12 | I made a quick crap uptime applet which fails after 1 hour using that code. |
| 15:48.57 | AStorm | qwerty12: lol |
| 15:49.05 | johnx | uptime applet TODO: improve uptime |
| 15:49.14 | RST38h | quickly rename it "the countdown applet"! |
| 15:49.44 | AStorm | :P |
| 15:49.53 | qwerty12 | I'd be interested if someone did make a proper uptime applet actually ;p |
| 15:49.54 | AStorm | I suspect you count seconds |
| 15:49.58 | johnx | ok, I'm in a good mood so I'll take a really quick poke at homeip and see if I can make it do my bidding |
| 15:50.08 | AStorm | just display /proc/uptime, d'oh |
| 15:50.15 | qwerty12 | that output is weird :p |
| 15:50.25 | qwerty12 | "uptime" I like though |
| 15:50.32 | AStorm | qwerty12: no no, it's not weird |
| 15:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | Home applets for what? |
| 15:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | light-meter and internal temperature? |
| 15:51.12 | johnx | yeah, and battery status I guess |
| 15:51.16 | qwerty12 | Making one for internal-temperature would be very very easy |
| 15:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's already been done |
| 15:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | I recommended that Khertan make them yesterday. :P |
| 15:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | They're there. |
| 15:51.35 | johnx | O_o |
| 15:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | battery-status uses dbus which activates the statusbar applet |
| 15:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | so that wouldn't work very well as a desktop applet. |
| 15:52.01 | gribouille | is bash-completion available ? |
| 15:52.02 | johnx | meh, that's just cosmetic |
| 15:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | It's kind of irritating when a home applet is randomly activating it all the time, though. |
| 15:52.48 | johnx | just cause it gets that background? |
| 15:52.52 | qwerty12 | Maybe kcbatt? But I don't get that program, output was -230% at one time. |
| 15:52.58 | AStorm | gribouille: I think yes |
| 15:53.07 | AStorm | it should work well anyway if installed by hand |
| 15:53.29 | gribouille | AStorm, I tried apt-get install bash-completion, but with no result |
| 15:53.42 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: well, battery state is readable from /sys directly, right? |
| 15:53.50 | AStorm | gribouille: ... no, there's no package |
| 15:53.56 | qwerty12 | kcbatt grabs it from dsme/retu |
| 15:54.17 | johnx | AStorm, I'm pretty sure it's not...but I'd like to be wrong |
| 15:54.39 | qwerty12 | Battery status? |
| 15:54.48 | gribouille | AStorm, the problem is that the commands available in the tablet OS have fewer options than the same commands in PC distributions |
| 15:54.53 | AStorm | ... |
| 15:54.58 | AStorm | gribouille: that's busybox for you |
| 15:55.03 | AStorm | you'd need coreutils |
| 15:55.12 | AStorm | and getting that requires a moderate hack :P |
| 15:55.20 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I hate that hack I made |
| 15:55.22 | AStorm | but works here, mostly |
| 15:55.25 | qwerty12 | I hate coreutils on tablet too |
| 15:55.28 | AStorm | yup |
| 15:55.33 | AStorm | why do you hate them? |
| 15:55.46 | gribouille | AStorm, what hack ? |
| 15:55.47 | qwerty12 | I kept getting segfaults with ls -la, mv etc |
| 15:55.54 | AStorm | Grackle: don't try it |
| 15:56.06 | AStorm | qwerty12: well, that's the price |
| 15:56.15 | AStorm | replace ls and mv with busybox symlinks then |
| 15:56.21 | AStorm | Grackle: sorry |
| 15:56.30 | AStorm | gribouille: don't try it w/o a backup |
| 15:56.40 | qwerty12 | AStorm, I did but I didn't want to find any suprises |
| 15:56.44 | gribouille | AStorm, I won't try it at all |
| 15:56.55 | qwerty12 | Dont. |
| 15:57.13 | gribouille | If I use an Internet tablet, I don't want to use the command line often |
| 15:57.18 | AStorm | heh |
| 15:57.32 | AStorm | Well, so do I. But... |
| 15:57.37 | gribouille | just when it is absolutely necessary |
| 15:57.40 | AStorm | But I have to, devel and such :P |
| 15:57.48 | qwerty12 | I actually prefer the command line |
| 15:57.57 | gribouille | qwerty12, so do I |
| 15:57.58 | AStorm | and I want lighttpd too :> |
| 15:58.11 | qwerty12 | Application Manager takes ages for something that takes me a few seconds with dpkg and apt-get |
| 15:58.14 | gribouille | AStorm, do you devel for thr tablet ? |
| 15:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, make it so, then. http://zedstar.org/blog/2008/03/02/packaging-lighttpd-for-maemo-the-quick-way/ |
| 15:58.23 | AStorm | gribouille: not for IT, no |
| 15:58.32 | qwerty12 | Application Manager is really bad, it insists on indexing all the packages upon startup. |
| 15:58.36 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: first, have to finally build the environment |
| 15:58.44 | AStorm | qwerty12: hehe, for some reason |
| 15:58.53 | AStorm | it should actually only need a cache update |
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| 15:59.06 | qwerty12 | Yep :(. Hopefully, it will be fixed in Diablo. |
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| 15:59.08 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: the problem is lack of time |
| 15:59.15 | qwerty12 | AStorm, looking at GeneralAntilles link, http://zedstar.org/chinook/ |
| 15:59.25 | AStorm | qwerty12: well, svn version I have also fails :P |
| 15:59.26 | qwerty12 | I hate svn versions |
| 15:59.30 | qwerty12 | I reverted back to the old one |
| 15:59.36 | gribouille | what is the best application for music/video ? |
| 15:59.44 | AStorm | gribouille: depends, but I'd say canola2 |
| 15:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | For music, anyway. |
| 15:59.57 | AStorm | ukmp is fairly good too |
| 15:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's got way too much overhead for videa. |
| 16:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | video* |
| 16:00.03 | qwerty12 | I made a load of screenies for anyone interested what was changed in the svn I built :p |
| 16:00.06 | AStorm | not that much in fullscreen |
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| 16:00.12 | AStorm | but it unfortunately scales vids |
| 16:00.18 | AStorm | (mplayer doesn't) |
| 16:00.25 | johnx | gribouille, you need to try canola2 anyways so that you at least know what everyone is talking about |
| 16:00.26 | johnx | :) |
| 16:00.30 | AStorm | otoh mplayer needs a config option to disable that sound delay |
| 16:00.33 | gribouille | I ask before spending time learning and configuring canola |
| 16:00.38 | AStorm | because some idiot hardcoded it |
| 16:00.53 | AStorm | 280ms sound delay, stupid stupid |
| 16:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's gone, AStorm. |
| 16:01.04 | qwerty12 | AStorm, the 26 versions dont have it |
| 16:01.05 | Navi | prefers mpd for music |
| 16:01.05 | gribouille | johnx, I tried it for youtube videos and it failed completly |
| 16:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Has been for a version or two. |
| 16:01.06 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: in .26 |
| 16:01.07 | AStorm | good |
| 16:01.15 | AStorm | but .26 has broken flv playback, that is, slow |
| 16:01.20 | qwerty12 | Even better, use Bundyo's rc2 built. MUCH MUCH BETTER |
| 16:01.25 | qwerty12 | flv is fixed in rc2 as well |
| 16:01.28 | Navi | qwerty12, how so? |
| 16:01.28 | AStorm | whee |
| 16:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | Canola's YouTube plugin is hot. |
| 16:01.41 | qwerty12 | wmv and flv are much improved in rc2 |
| 16:01.43 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, does it work ? |
| 16:01.44 | johnx | gribouille, well it's only about 30 seconds to point it at some of audio and see if you like it |
| 16:01.44 | Navi | To what degree of much better is the rc2? |
| 16:01.47 | AStorm | qwerty12: tell me a link, later, when I get my power source done :P |
| 16:01.51 | AStorm | (that is, bought) |
| 16:02.03 | qwerty12 | Well, for flv, seeking and sound syncing are perfect. |
| 16:02.12 | AStorm | seeking in flv? YEAH! |
| 16:02.20 | qwerty12 | Yep, it works properly as well :) |
| 16:02.31 | AStorm | btw, is ukmp good enough? |
| 16:02.37 | Navi | It's always worked for me |
| 16:02.38 | AStorm | or some other nice mplayer frontend? |
| 16:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's old |
| 16:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | and unsupported. |
| 16:02.45 | AStorm | boo hoo |
| 16:02.51 | AStorm | we need a good mplayer frontend |
| 16:03.00 | AStorm | hell, I might hack something in Python |
| 16:03.01 | qwerty12 | I found the interfact awkward TBH. But like Navi, I just use mpd now. |
| 16:03.13 | qwerty12 | With powerlaunch, mpd is brilliant. |
| 16:03.15 | GeneralAntilles | Could be Canola if it weren't so terrible for video playback. :< |
| 16:03.31 | gribouille | johnx, the only thing it displays it "Unable to resilve video url ..." |
| 16:03.36 | AStorm | qwerty12: btw, does r'n'd mode increase power use? |
| 16:03.43 | Navi | bug konttori about ukmp the next time you see 'em |
| 16:03.45 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: it isn't in full screen mode, as I said |
| 16:03.48 | AStorm | but resizes vids |
| 16:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, theoretically a little |
| 16:03.54 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: why? |
| 16:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | In practice, I've never noticed any difference. |
| 16:04.16 | qwerty12 | AStorm, no afaic unless you enable serial console. |
| 16:04.18 | AStorm | for me, the only diff is the logo, and *maybe* power use |
| 16:04.23 | AStorm | qwerty12: mhm |
| 16:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's easier to turn on. |
| 16:04.41 | GeneralAntilles | So you could accidentally turn it on while it's off and use more power. ;) |
| 16:04.42 | Navi | <qwerty12> With powerlaunch, mpd is brilliant. <-- Genius |
| 16:04.46 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:04.51 | AStorm | mpd is junk |
| 16:04.55 | AStorm | we need xmms2 |
| 16:04.57 | AStorm | :-) |
| 16:04.58 | Navi | YOUR FACE IS JUNK |
| 16:04.59 | qwerty12 | Navi, for sure |
| 16:05.01 | qwerty12 | Lol |
| 16:05.19 | AStorm | so, who will port xmms2? |
| 16:05.27 | qwerty12 | and mmpc makes it even more better, I just have the home button in powerlaunch set to launch mmpc |
| 16:05.34 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 16:05.42 | AStorm | I like the home button as it is |
| 16:05.44 | Navi | xmms2 is missing good clients :/ |
| 16:05.45 | johnx | didn't someone compile it already? |
| 16:05.53 | qwerty12 | That was xmms 1 afaikl |
| 16:05.55 | AStorm | Navi: nobody makes it hard to write one |
| 16:06.04 | AStorm | johnx: yup, that was xmms1 |
| 16:06.22 | AStorm | Navi: it's just that people haven't yet |
| 16:06.24 | johnx | nah, I'm thinking xmms2, gimme a sec to find it |
| 16:06.34 | Navi | AStorm, except the API breakage that used to come in periodic updates in xmms2 |
| 16:06.43 | AStorm | Navi: used, but doesn't anymore |
| 16:06.49 | AStorm | the api got stabler |
| 16:09.17 | qwerty12 | My scratchbox feels so empty now :(. So many half, unfinished projects I was working on now gone :( |
| 16:09.27 | qwerty12 | I wanted to finish off that port of PCMan I had. |
| 16:09.34 | Navi | :P |
| 16:09.58 | qwerty12 | Hehe, here's to a new start :p |
| 16:10.19 | qwerty12 | This was the bit where you were meant to cry for me. :p |
| 16:10.21 | Navi | I need to clean out my scratchbox |
| 16:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | Scratchbox |
| 16:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like the sound a cat makes in the litterbox. :P |
| 16:11.44 | qwerty12 | $CR@TC|-||30X |
| 16:11.44 | AStorm | it's just a build env |
| 16:11.46 | Navi | Sounds like a brand of mixing tables. |
| 16:11.51 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:11.53 | johnx | I think solmumaha was the one who compiled xmms2 |
| 16:11.59 | johnx | solmumaha, you around? |
| 16:12.07 | AStorm | blah anyway |
| 16:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | throws a wikipedia plugin section at qwerty12. |
| 16:12.16 | AStorm | I have no Nxxx available right now |
| 16:12.18 | Navi | There we go: http://www.rodec.be/site/content/mixers_scratchbox.asp |
| 16:12.37 | AStorm | and xmms2 doesn't do video |
| 16:12.40 | AStorm | :| |
| 16:12.42 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I have no idea what to write :P. I can write what plugins the community have made? |
| 16:12.55 | GeneralAntilles | Start with a list of plugins and what they do. |
| 16:13.03 | AStorm | qwerty12: gimme a home screen plugin for temperature |
| 16:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | Work from there if you get inspired. |
| 16:13.07 | AStorm | light sensor |
| 16:13.15 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Ok, I can do that. |
| 16:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | if not, I can write something up. |
| 16:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | 1 or 2 screenshots wouldn't hurt. |
| 16:13.32 | qwerty12 | AStorm, it's very easy to modify one of the existing ones. |
| 16:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe |
| 16:13.35 | AStorm | and possibly battery status, esp. current drain |
| 16:13.44 | AStorm | qwerty12: which ones? linky? |
| 16:13.52 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, there's already a homescreen applet for temp. |
| 16:14.00 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 16:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan made one for the light sensor and one for temp yesterday. |
| 16:14.12 | AStorm | that's why I don't know about it |
| 16:14.13 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | I mentioned the fact in scrollback. :P |
| 16:14.26 | AStorm | drop me a link and I'll bookmark it |
| 16:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's in extras-devel |
| 16:14.39 | AStorm | ahha |
| 16:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | with the rest of the "Home" stuff. |
| 16:14.47 | AStorm | then hopefully tomorrow I'll test it |
| 16:14.57 | johnx | ah! woo! I didn't catch that part! that's nice... |
| 16:15.00 | AStorm | btw, I'd like a larger clock applet too |
| 16:15.19 | AStorm | maybe, a clock screen saver? |
| 16:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | There's an application |
| 16:15.27 | AStorm | (w/o backlight) |
| 16:15.38 | johnx | mclock I think... |
| 16:15.41 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:15.52 | qwerty12 | ooh, homewifilevel and home internal temp looks nice |
| 16:16.11 | johnx | :D we need homefortune! |
| 16:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | Suggest it, johnx. |
| 16:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure he'll put it together. |
| 16:16.30 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: OS2007? |
| 16:16.32 | johnx | actually, I should try and do it myself |
| 16:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008. |
| 16:16.42 | johnx | needs an excuse to dig into python |
| 16:16.54 | MangoFusion | print "Hello World" |
| 16:17.02 | Navi | secks |
| 16:17.04 | AStorm | mclock needs backlight, duh |
| 16:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | Anything'll need backlight to be able to see it. |
| 16:17.21 | AStorm | nope |
| 16:17.22 | qwerty12 | secks with a python? |
| 16:17.31 | AStorm | I want some method to keep LCD on |
| 16:17.34 | AStorm | but backlight = 0 |
| 16:17.40 | AStorm | like advanced backlight control does |
| 16:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | Plug it in, turn off the backlight. |
| 16:17.57 | AStorm | it's readable with high contrast and external light :P |
| 16:18.05 | qwerty12 | AStorm, tried moredimming options? Set the backlight timeout to low and lcd timeout to 24 hours. |
| 16:18.05 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: plug it in = no, no |
| 16:18.16 | AStorm | qwerty12: moredimming.... hmmm :-) |
| 16:18.34 | qwerty12 | If you have gconf-editor, you can do it yourself :) |
| 16:18.47 | AStorm | googling returned zilch |
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| 16:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/ |
| 16:19.01 | qwerty12 | me bad |
| 16:19.02 | qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ |
| 16:19.12 | qwerty12 | it's 2 double 0 8 :p |
| 16:19.28 | qwerty12 | Although they undeniably link to the same deb >.< |
| 16:19.31 | AStorm | :-) |
| 16:19.44 | AStorm | well |
| 16:19.55 | AStorm | does it make dimming go to 0 light? |
| 16:20.18 | AStorm | ah, I'd need to disable screen shutdown on keyboard lock too |
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| 16:28.28 | gribouille | can someone tell me what color-ls does exactly ? |
| 16:28.55 | AStorm | installs a file that allows coloring of ls output |
| 16:28.58 | AStorm | :> |
| 16:29.07 | AStorm | DIR_COLORS or something |
| 16:29.09 | qwerty12 | Exactly what it says on the tin. |
| 16:29.32 | gribouille | the package contains only /bin/ls.color |
| 16:29.36 | johnx | sends you colored screen overlays in the mail... |
| 16:29.50 | qwerty12 | it gives me a good time |
| 16:30.19 | GeneralAntilles | I want a company that provides ssh by mail. |
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| 16:33.45 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: rotfl |
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| 16:34.53 | lcuk | MITM attacks are bad. damn that mailman |
| 16:34.55 | gribouille | how can I add a new mime type ? |
| 16:35.28 | johnx | "package contains one (1) ssh server and one (1) ssh client, do not bend spindle, fold or mutilate." |
| 16:36.21 | lcuk | package actually sends the first IP packet over mail devliery network. GeneralAntilles must Ack by postcard. |
| 16:36.27 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I've made a very ugly plugins section. Could do with a lot of clean up. I was and did add links but wikipedia went into read only mode. Fucking idiots. |
| 16:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just send it again |
| 16:36.43 | qwerty12 | I would upload a picture but I dont have permissions. |
| 16:36.44 | GeneralAntilles | It only lasts a few seconds. |
| 16:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | You registered? |
| 16:37.07 | qwerty12 | Yes but I have to wait 4 days before I am a "confirmed user" |
| 16:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:37.32 | lcuk | with a name like qwerty12 you could be confused for a spambot ;) |
| 16:37.56 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles got through all the beurocratic bullshit because he is in the military ;) |
| 16:38.05 | qwerty12 | When I started using it (few years back) out of randomness, it wasn't common but now there is a virus called qwerty12.exe :( |
| 16:38.06 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 16:38.26 | lcuk | :( your work of art is out there :P |
| 16:38.38 | qwerty12 | If only I could program... :p |
| 16:38.40 | johnx | yeah, I saw it on this forum I visit, ITT or something... :P |
| 16:38.42 | lcuk | "The worlds first nokia maemo platform virus |
| 16:39.04 | lcuk | would actually be very easy |
| 16:40.36 | AStorm | lcuk: I suggest using RFC1149 |
| 16:40.39 | qwerty12 | Oh yeah, can anyone confirm if Rapier uses Sword (the Sword project or something like that)? |
| 16:41.31 | AStorm | IPoAC |
| 16:41.31 | AStorm | :-) |
| 16:41.41 | lcuk | :) astorm |
| 16:41.53 | gribouille | does anyone know how many pixels the N800 camera has ? |
| 16:42.01 | qwerty12 | Not much. |
| 16:42.03 | AStorm | gribouille: I guess 1,2 mpix |
| 16:42.05 | lcuk | 3 |
| 16:42.08 | qwerty12 | 9 |
| 16:42.14 | AStorm | ah, that :> |
| 16:42.15 | lcuk | but 6 are snow |
| 16:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | 640*480 |
| 16:42.33 | AStorm | mhm, 0,8 mpix? junk ;P |
| 16:42.46 | lcuk | its frustrating, i wanna play with the came but i cant be arsed setting up the base snap code |
| 16:42.49 | AStorm | 0,3 mpix |
| 16:43.00 | AStorm | even more junk |
| 16:43.02 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:43.03 | lcuk | cam |
| 16:43.18 | AStorm | anyway, it's a webcam, not a camera |
| 16:43.20 | lcuk | yer if i can just call a function to take a picture i would start to use it |
| 16:43.27 | lcuk | just one frame then |
| 16:43.44 | lcuk | is in a pondering mood |
| 16:44.10 | MangoFusion | virus on the NIT? |
| 16:44.14 | gribouille | is it possible to record videos with the cam ? |
| 16:44.17 | MangoFusion | anyone fancy downloading my port of the gimp? |
| 16:44.17 | Navi | OMGVIRUS |
| 16:44.23 | MangoFusion | looks decidedly evil |
| 16:44.27 | Navi | MangoFusion, does it run like suck? |
| 16:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's a virus |
| 16:44.36 | lcuk | RUN FOR THE HILLS! |
| 16:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | It runs great, Navi. |
| 16:44.47 | Navi | Liar |
| 16:44.54 | MangoFusion | nah just installs a bit of spyware, formats your sd cards, and makes large farting noises |
| 16:45.12 | qwerty12 | im in |
| 16:45.20 | lcuk | hah - that has to be a sample for the music thing - the harder you hit your NIT the louder it farts |
| 16:45.35 | lcuk | (sorry, am pondering music as well.. but thats for another day) |
| 16:46.27 | gribouille | does video work with wkype ? |
| 16:46.31 | AStorm | the screen can read pressure data? |
| 16:46.32 | gribouille | skype |
| 16:46.33 | AStorm | gribouille: no |
| 16:46.37 | AStorm | because it's skype 1.4 |
| 16:46.40 | lcuk | storm, yes |
| 16:46.40 | gribouille | but why ? |
| 16:46.44 | AStorm | coupled with cruddy codec |
| 16:46.52 | AStorm | G.174 or so |
| 16:46.58 | AStorm | lcuk: is there a new beta? |
| 16:47.00 | gribouille | will it work one day ? |
| 16:47.10 | AStorm | gribouille: when skype writes an app |
| 16:47.14 | lcuk | no ill find you the howto |
| 16:47.18 | AStorm | lcuk: gimme |
| 16:47.32 | AStorm | I want one to stop skype disconnecting on any tablet usage :> |
| 16:47.48 | gribouille | AStorm, but normally, video works with skype |
| 16:48.03 | AStorm | gribouille: but not on IT |
| 16:48.06 | AStorm | ... |
| 16:48.12 | AStorm | at least, not with the version I have |
| 16:48.29 | AStorm | Linux Skype 2.x works fine with video and sound |
| 16:48.37 | AStorm | but still uses weird amounts of CPU |
| 16:48.43 | gribouille | what's missing to make it work ? |
| 16:48.46 | AStorm | for what it does, it eats a lot |
| 16:48.47 | johnx | gribouille, for some reason the skype guys haven't bothered to get video working on the n8x0. That's their choice. |
| 16:48.51 | AStorm | gribouille: Skype source code ;P |
| 16:49.09 | AStorm | actually, a rebuild of Skype 2.x for Maemo |
| 16:49.18 | AStorm | but then, 2.x isn't released for Linux yet |
| 16:49.36 | johnx | what's missing: a paid, motivated programmer with access to skype source code |
| 16:49.38 | AStorm | and we'd need them to implement their audio codecs properly |
| 16:49.55 | AStorm | they suck at it |
| 16:50.07 | AStorm | totally unoptimized, choke sometimes on C2D |
| 16:50.19 | AStorm | in other words: they can't code |
| 16:50.52 | AStorm | and they can't use usual frameworks too |
| 16:50.53 | lcuk | AStorm, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_usetouchscreenpressuredata/ |
| 16:50.59 | johnx | I think they've gotten complacent... |
| 16:51.01 | AStorm | lcuk: :-) |
| 16:51.27 | Veggen | I prefer standards-based VOIP to proprietary solutions, myself. |
| 16:51.28 | lcuk | its also available i believe from within python, but that might have been lost in the sands of ummm time (about 3 months) |
| 16:51.34 | AStorm | lcuk: do you have a workaround for Hildon to use AccessX? |
| 16:51.42 | AStorm | and switching it on by default in hold mode? |
| 16:51.44 | AStorm | :-) |
| 16:51.54 | lcuk | what is this accessx you speak of? (I hope its not an access database) |
| 16:52.00 | AStorm | it's X extension |
| 16:52.04 | lcuk | for what |
| 16:52.05 | AStorm | available in Xomap too |
| 16:52.12 | AStorm | for keyboard accessibility |
| 16:52.14 | AStorm | sticky keys |
| 16:52.16 | AStorm | etc. |
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| 16:52.28 | lcuk | dunno at all, i havent even seen how the keyboard works or anything |
| 16:52.37 | qwerty12 | accessx, have you got a build? sounds useful for a tablet. |
| 16:52.44 | AStorm | qwerty12: it's in Xomap |
| 16:52.49 | lcuk | assumes some magic happens and i get keyboard events |
| 16:52.51 | AStorm | switch it on by adding +accessx option |
| 16:52.55 | lcuk | back later |
| 16:53.01 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks :) |
| 16:53.02 | AStorm | lcuk: actually, it's a real hw keyboard |
| 16:53.19 | AStorm | qwerty12: 5x shift key enables sticky keys |
| 16:53.31 | AStorm | that includes ALL modifiers |
| 16:53.56 | AStorm | and that double key press hold enabler |
| 16:54.00 | AStorm | like Hildon does |
| 16:54.08 | AStorm | but less sucky, as it's X server feature |
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| 16:54.28 | qwerty12 | Ah ok, but I'll have to use XVKBD then as I'm on N800. |
| 16:54.39 | AStorm | well :P |
| 16:54.46 | AStorm | not with a bluetooth keyboard |
| 16:54.57 | AStorm | I want sticky keys enabled by default |
| 16:55.07 | AStorm | just that - it doesn't collide with Hildon at all |
| 16:55.19 | Veggen | hmm. If I had sticky ctrl, I could give up my left one... |
| 16:56.01 | AStorm | also, I would have to disable toggle sequences too |
| 16:57.06 | AStorm | I don't know why Nokia didn't use that |
| 16:57.16 | AStorm | probably they didn't research enough |
| 17:03.09 | AStorm | We need to get Nokia to improve that part. |
| 17:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ha anybody bothered to file a bug? |
| 17:05.58 | qwerty12 | Does anyone have a 3G USB Modem (for "mobile broadband" as is touted in this country): if so, could someone try it with an N8*0: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=172282 |
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| 17:11.54 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: could you file a bug for me? :-) |
| 17:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 17:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'll confirm it and vote for it, though. :P |
| 17:12.10 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
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| 17:16.42 | AStorm | while they're at it, they could increase autorepeat delay |
| 17:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | Better yet, give us a GUI slider. |
| 17:19.16 | Navi | ew |
| 17:19.42 | johnx | Navi, what? your slider all GUI? |
| 17:20.11 | Navi | My slider is telepathically controlled |
| 17:20.36 | johnx | a little box where you can select the delay in ms would be nice really... |
| 17:20.46 | Navi | delay for what? |
| 17:20.52 | johnx | autorepeat |
| 17:20.52 | Navi | I haven't been reading |
| 17:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | key repeat |
| 17:20.53 | Navi | ah |
| 17:21.02 | GeneralAntilles | pokes Navi with a stick. |
| 17:21.17 | Navi | There's probably a gconf setting for it or something |
| 17:21.22 | AStorm | Navi: nope |
| 17:21.25 | Navi | Aw :( |
| 17:21.26 | AStorm | but there is xset |
| 17:21.29 | Navi | yay \o/ |
| 17:21.50 | Navi | we should turn johnx into a slider |
| 17:22.14 | AStorm | He's one already :P |
| 17:22.17 | johnx | woo! if *anyone* suggests this to Nokia as a wishlist *please* tell them about xset so they don't manage to create a closed source replacement O_o |
| 17:22.29 | Navi | Heh |
| 17:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody file some bugs. |
| 17:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | Bitching in #maemo is not an effective way to get Nokia to do things. |
| 17:22.54 | AStorm | yeah, they have something of a NIH attitude |
| 17:22.58 | Navi | Anyways, anyone know how kde is launched on the N800? |
| 17:23.04 | johnx | sets slider mode: snarky |---+--------| ornery |
| 17:23.08 | AStorm | Navi: as usual |
| 17:23.18 | Navi | not the click the menu thing specifics, but the technical stop hildon-desktop specifics |
| 17:23.23 | AStorm | it's Debian |
| 17:23.32 | AStorm | Not Maemo at all. |
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| 17:24.00 | Navi | I've never run Debian or it's derivatives for a long span of time |
| 17:24.14 | AStorm | Maemo is Debian-based |
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| 17:24.19 | AStorm | so, you lie |
| 17:24.24 | Navi | not including maemo, fine. |
| 17:24.49 | johnx | do they just do /etc/init.d/whatever stop ? |
| 17:24.56 | Navi | Anyways, I've looked up what penguinbait did in OS2007 |
| 17:24.56 | johnx | does that actually work and not result in reboots? |
| 17:25.04 | Navi | and I can stop hildon-desktop |
| 17:25.17 | Navi | but trying it with matchbox doesn't work |
| 17:25.21 | Navi | it just respawns itself |
| 17:25.35 | Navi | and replacing it right when matchbox is down causes a reboot |
| 17:25.47 | AStorm | Navi: just a simple mod of init script away |
| 17:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Navi fails hard. |
| 17:25.54 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, agreed |
| 17:26.04 | Navi | AStorm, how do you do it? |
| 17:26.05 | AStorm | and it's /etc/rc.d |
| 17:26.29 | AStorm | Navi: find the initscript and mod the line with dsmetool |
| 17:26.37 | johnx | AStorm, what is /etc/rc.d ? |
| 17:26.43 | AStorm | dsmetool is the autorebooter and restarter watchdog |
| 17:26.47 | AStorm | johnx: rc.d :P |
| 17:26.54 | AStorm | init script dir |
| 17:26.57 | Navi | init scripts are thrown in there |
| 17:26.59 | AStorm | too much BSD lately :P |
| 17:27.08 | johnx | ls: /etc/rc.d: No such file or directory :P |
| 17:27.22 | AStorm | johnx: as I said, too much BSD lately :P |
| 17:27.25 | johnx | aaah |
| 17:27.26 | Navi | there are multiple rc directories |
| 17:27.42 | johnx | Navi, /etc/init.d has the real stuff |
| 17:27.46 | AStorm | yup, rc.0 - rc.6 and rc.S |
| 17:27.48 | johnx | the rcN.d is just symlinks |
| 17:27.52 | AStorm | yup |
| 17:27.57 | AStorm | but important ones |
| 17:28.02 | Navi | Well, the maemo init scripts and crap are in osso-af-init |
| 17:28.10 | AStorm | more or less |
| 17:28.18 | johnx | right, but they're *called* from scripts in init.d |
| 17:28.21 | AStorm | still, nokia needs a bash on head for dsmetool |
| 17:28.26 | AStorm | stupid software daemon |
| 17:28.31 | johnx | and bme |
| 17:28.37 | AStorm | they should've used Linux kernel watchdogs instead |
| 17:28.52 | johnx | they should have used *anything* instead of bme |
| 17:28.59 | AStorm | another hit on the head is retu* |
| 17:29.10 | AStorm | I guess it's stupid TI NDA |
| 17:29.20 | Navi | so uh, how exactly do you use dsmetool? :/ |
| 17:29.35 | AStorm | Navi: you don't - that's how you prevent matchbox from restarting |
| 17:29.44 | AStorm | or the device from rebooting when X server fails |
| 17:29.48 | johnx | you make sure it doesn't get launched by dsmetool |
| 17:29.49 | AStorm | and other things |
| 17:30.09 | johnx | dsmetool watches things waiting for them to die and then if they do it freaks the hell out and reboots |
| 17:30.14 | AStorm | I find matchbox to be restarting quite often |
| 17:30.15 | Navi | mmk |
| 17:30.21 | johnx | ...to use some technical language... |
| 17:30.25 | AStorm | johnx: or restarts the program in question |
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| 17:30.33 | AStorm | that depends on the option |
| 17:30.41 | AStorm | btw, why is that matchbox so crashy? |
| 17:31.02 | johnx | hmm? I've never had matchbox crash on zaurus or nokia... |
| 17:31.03 | AStorm | crashes at least once a day |
| 17:31.15 | AStorm | maybe it's some applet that makes it crash? |
| 17:31.21 | johnx | btw, dsmetool has at least a vaguel useful help text |
| 17:31.27 | AStorm | johnx: :> |
| 17:31.38 | johnx | that was more aimed at Navi |
| 17:32.40 | AStorm | btw, I should be able to design a better environment that that matchbox |
| 17:32.45 | AStorm | *than |
| 17:33.12 | Navi | So uh, how do I prevent dsmetool from running scratchbox? I'm thoroughly confused. |
| 17:33.20 | AStorm | from what? |
| 17:33.26 | AStorm | you mean, restarting matchbox? |
| 17:33.29 | Navi | Yeah |
| 17:33.36 | AStorm | remove it from the line that starts it |
| 17:33.38 | AStorm | :-) |
| 17:33.49 | johnx | grep matchbox /etc/init.d/* | grep dsmetool |
| 17:33.50 | AStorm | (its options too) |
| 17:33.51 | Navi | Can't find the init script that starts matchbox |
| 17:33.56 | AStorm | ... |
| 17:34.02 | johnx | shotgun approach |
| 17:34.12 | AStorm | Navi: find /etc | xargs grep -Hn matchbox |
| 17:34.21 | AStorm | if there is xargs on it |
| 17:34.24 | AStorm | I think there is |
| 17:34.52 | Navi | johnx, fail |
| 17:35.20 | johnx | it's /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh |
| 17:35.28 | AStorm | whee |
| 17:35.38 | Navi | there's no references to dsmetool in there |
| 17:35.53 | Navi | except that one comment line |
| 17:35.54 | johnx | what do you think that variable that launches PROG is? |
| 17:36.06 | johnx | ~lart Nokia for their non-standard init scripts |
| 17:36.06 | infobot | takes out Nokia with the trash for their non-standard init scripts |
| 17:36.14 | AStorm | btw, where can I grab a table charger for that battery BP-4L? |
| 17:36.27 | johnx | ebay? |
| 17:36.28 | AStorm | the one for N810 |
| 17:36.35 | AStorm | johnx: wrong country :/ |
| 17:36.45 | johnx | local ebay equivalent? |
| 17:36.52 | AStorm | unavailable :| |
| 17:37.01 | AStorm | why no one produces that? |
| 17:37.02 | johnx | (you're not missing much...) |
| 17:37.05 | johnx | hold up a Nokia shop? |
| 17:37.12 | AStorm | no such thing there |
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| 17:37.31 | AStorm | I can't find one on the net, except some OEM thingy |
| 17:37.35 | AStorm | that supposedly works |
| 17:37.40 | AStorm | but can't buy it anywhere |
| 17:38.43 | AStorm | btw, is the battery smart? (That is, charge circuitry inside) |
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| 17:39.13 | johnx | That's a question I'd like answered as well |
| 17:39.22 | RST38h | Astorm: it is |
| 17:39.26 | AStorm | if it's stupid, I'd need exact charge specs |
| 17:39.35 | AStorm | if not, I can build a 3,7V charger just fine |
| 17:39.59 | AStorm | or adapt an existing one |
| 17:40.15 | AStorm | (that is, mod the case and pins) |
| 17:41.39 | AStorm | ~lart Nokia for using micro-star screws |
| 17:41.39 | infobot | slaps Nokia upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh for using micro-star screws |
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| 17:42.43 | AStorm | 100 screwdrivers and I still don't have that one |
| 17:42.55 | trollasaurus | You need a better set. |
| 17:43.14 | AStorm | I do have one |
| 17:43.23 | AStorm | I just don't have a star that small :P |
| 17:44.06 | AStorm | fortunately, can unscrew it with flat one :> |
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| 17:46.20 | RST38h | AStorm: If I understand things correctly, you only need to replace the jack, not the power supply? |
| 17:47.59 | AStorm | more or less |
| 17:48.28 | AStorm | I'd personally use a microjack plug, should fit |
| 17:48.50 | AStorm | but Nokia thought well about those chargers needing a lot of replacement |
| 17:49.15 | AStorm | I wonder why they didn't provide USB charging |
| 17:49.25 | AStorm | that's exactly 0,25 of a chip ;P |
| 17:49.59 | fang64_ | Astorm: they have a Usb Adapter for the them lol although a bit annoying |
| 17:50.06 | AStorm | yup |
| 17:50.09 | RST38h | have you seen their USB connector? |
| 17:50.20 | RST38h | Do you really want to break and have to replace THAT? |
| 17:51.19 | AStorm | usb wouldn't break |
| 17:51.23 | AStorm | it's large enough |
| 17:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | I've never managed to break a Nokia barrel charger. <_< |
| 17:52.00 | fang64_ | I haven't either, it's the first time I've heard of being a problem |
| 17:52.02 | AStorm | I managed to break the plug. Twice. |
| 17:52.18 | AStorm | Maybe I'm unlucky or handling it too roughly ;P |
| 17:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | Likely |
| 17:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't exactly handled mine gently, either, though. |
| 17:52.44 | fang64_ | sounds like my luck with cell phones flying onto the highway |
| 17:52.50 | johnx | I feel more comfortable with the bigger zaurus/psp charger, but my n800 charger hasn't broken yet... |
| 17:53.09 | johnx | just the "barrel" part I mean... |
| 17:54.07 | AStorm | does N800 have that flimsy 1mm 5V plug, or the older one? |
| 17:54.21 | AStorm | Now Nokia is required by Chinese to use USB port for charging ;P |
| 17:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | All Internet Tablets have exactly the same plug. |
| 17:55.23 | AStorm | argh |
| 17:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know anything about "Imendio"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 17:55.47 | AStorm | the problem is that getting these chargers here (Poland) is hard |
| 17:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | See the infobox. :\ |
| 17:56.24 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: these are the guys after that gnome communicator or something |
| 17:57.00 | solmumaha | johnx: yes |
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| 17:58.37 | AStorm | hmm, not much to see inside N810 |
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| 17:58.51 | ImMelody | hrm? |
| 17:58.53 | qwerty12_N800 | not much there :p |
| 17:59.10 | AStorm | apart from a LOT of free space |
| 17:59.24 | AStorm | gah |
| 17:59.33 | AStorm | they could've easily retained that FM radio |
| 17:59.40 | AStorm | and added zillion other things |
| 17:59.43 | MangoFusion | imendio are the guys who do the gtk port for mac os x |
| 17:59.49 | AStorm | 4 cm^2 free |
| 17:59.52 | MangoFusion | amongst other things |
| 18:00.01 | qwerty12_N800 | i dont even use fmradio tbh |
| 18:00.33 | ImMelody | me neither.. |
| 18:00.43 | ImMelody | Actually.. I've never used it o.O |
| 18:00.58 | MangoFusion | in my n95 i have a radio, gps, and wifi. muhahaha |
| 18:01.18 | ImMelody | hurray for you? |
| 18:01.39 | AStorm | and you use none? |
| 18:01.43 | MangoFusion | not a good idea to turn them all on at the same time though, mind you |
| 18:01.47 | AStorm | gps is the same junk as in N810 |
| 18:01.54 | MangoFusion | didn't even realise it had a radio till today |
| 18:01.59 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 18:02.04 | ImMelody | lol |
| 18:02.08 | johnx | AStorm, but hooked up to AGPS service in this case, IIRC |
| 18:02.24 | AStorm | no AGPS here, so... |
| 18:02.25 | AStorm | :P |
| 18:02.43 | AStorm | there's a minor problem... I can't unscrew the two screws holding the keyboard |
| 18:02.50 | AStorm | another diff. screw, even weirder |
| 18:03.05 | ImMelody | hrm.. any clue where the images for the status bar icons are kept? |
| 18:03.08 | AStorm | ah, yes, microstar-b |
| 18:03.15 | RST38h | General: Is it some new way to spam through Wiki? |
| 18:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno |
| 18:03.58 | qwerty12_N800 | ImMelody: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/hildon afair |
| 18:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 18:04.35 | ImMelody | thanks |
| 18:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | Just grab the icons directory and all its subdirectories with sftp or something |
| 18:04.44 | GeneralAntilles | makes icon work a bit easier. |
| 18:04.46 | AStorm | blah |
| 18:04.54 | AStorm | my tiny flat screwdriver can't grab it |
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| 18:05.35 | ImMelody | With the help of those HomeXXX apps, I've finally decided I can go through with my little pet project |
| 18:06.02 | qwerty12_N800 | homexxx? |
| 18:06.08 | qwerty12_N800 | excuse me |
| 18:06.19 | ImMelody | homeip, homewifi, homenetstats |
| 18:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Capital X's make that bad. :P |
| 18:06.56 | qwerty12_N800 | lol, what i was thinking ;p |
| 18:06.58 | ImMelody | Sorry.. No desktop porn yet for the n8x0 |
| 18:07.10 | ImMelody | Boys ;p |
| 18:08.22 | AStorm | argh! |
| 18:08.33 | AStorm | the keys are mounted on a single piece of plastic |
| 18:08.38 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm: dissappointed? :p |
| 18:08.51 | AStorm | no way to change the layout |
| 18:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | Paint! |
| 18:09.21 | AStorm | won't hold |
| 18:09.21 | ImMelody | HAHA |
| 18:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | Buy better paint! |
| 18:11.54 | elb | AStorm: USB charging is not supplied because USB can provide a maximum of 500mA, and the IT pulls more than that |
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| 18:13.17 | ImMelody | General, do you think doing three sets of icons would be easiest? one blue signifying when bluetooth is connected and one green when it's not, and like white when bluetooth is off totally? (if you remember what I'm up to) |
| 18:13.30 | AStorm | elb: blah blah |
| 18:13.35 | AStorm | there is a charger |
| 18:13.47 | AStorm | and N810 lives on 650 mA |
| 18:14.19 | elb | and 650mA > 500mA ;-) |
| 18:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | ImMelody, there was a significant amount of discussion on the icon coloring and usability for Bluetooth. |
| 18:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall what the result of that was right now |
| 18:14.38 | elb | I suspect future generations will charge by USB, as power requirements are brought down |
| 18:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | But I'd say, blue: on and connected, white: on, gray: off |
| 18:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | and a redslash gray icon for offline mode. |
| 18:15.07 | ImMelody | right |
| 18:15.19 | qwerty12_N800 | but doesn't the icon disappear when bt is off? |
| 18:15.22 | ImMelody | I couldn't remember the coloring everyone else thought either |
| 18:15.40 | AStorm | ok, power plug is easily replacable |
| 18:15.41 | AStorm | :> |
| 18:15.43 | ImMelody | I'm trying to make a new statusbar icon |
| 18:15.49 | AStorm | uhm, power socket |
| 18:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | With the default applet, qwerty12_N800. |
| 18:15.55 | AStorm | connected by two pins |
| 18:16.13 | AStorm | not pins |
| 18:16.19 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: is another being made? |
| 18:16.23 | AStorm | slide-on ports |
| 18:16.31 | AStorm | or what its called |
| 18:16.38 | GeneralAntilles | GeneralAntilles, it's happening right around you. :P |
| 18:16.50 | ImMelody | qwerty, it's something I've been on and off working on for a few months now |
| 18:16.55 | qwerty12_N800 | qwerty12_N800: qwerty12_N800 really? |
| 18:17.03 | qwerty12_N800 | ImMelody: great :) |
| 18:17.11 | GeneralAntilles | s/GeneralAntilles/qwerty12_N800/ |
| 18:17.19 | ImMelody | Combining wifi and bluetooth together |
| 18:17.38 | ImMelody | using the colors to signify whether or not the bluetooth is on.. then having a signal strength for the wifi |
| 18:17.51 | AStorm | there is both wifi and bluetooth antenna |
| 18:17.57 | AStorm | but not GPS one |
| 18:18.11 | qwerty12_N800 | That does sound good, I went and removed the wifi icon of my statusbar today |
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| 18:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad the icons are the easy part. |
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| 18:18.36 | ImMelody | yeah :( |
| 18:19.02 | ImMelody | but hopefully with Khertan's apps, I'll be able to get a little further |
| 18:19.49 | AStorm | actually, rouing USB to power port would be easy |
| 18:20.02 | AStorm | adding a switch would be hard though |
| 18:20.03 | johnx | yeah, hasn't someone done it before? |
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| 18:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, people have done it. |
| 18:20.44 | AStorm | where did they add the switch? |
| 18:20.53 | AStorm | and I'm talking about N810 |
| 18:21.34 | johnx | it should be largely similar to the N800, no? |
| 18:22.07 | elb | I'm sure there is a GPS antenna |
| 18:22.10 | elb | but it's probably a patch |
| 18:22.16 | AStorm | nope |
| 18:22.30 | elb | it'll just look like a small square |
| 18:22.35 | elb | it could be on top of the GPS chip itself |
| 18:22.45 | elb | (though that would be a pretty small antenna) |
| 18:24.06 | AStorm | nope, the gps has an antenna micro whatit' called port |
| 18:24.15 | AStorm | the one wifi uses |
| 18:24.21 | AStorm | not connected |
| 18:24.27 | elb | yes, but that's probably not the only port |
| 18:24.29 | AStorm | do I smell a mod? |
| 18:24.35 | elb | it wouldn't work at *all* if it had no antenna whatsoever |
| 18:24.59 | AStorm | no, why? |
| 18:25.17 | elb | reception would simply be too poor |
| 18:25.21 | elb | particularly inside that metal case |
| 18:25.47 | AStorm | it's plastic |
| 18:25.48 | elb | you don't see a ceramic square anywhere inside the case? |
| 18:25.54 | elb | the n810? |
| 18:25.58 | elb | it's at least metallized |
| 18:26.05 | AStorm | yup |
| 18:26.31 | RST38h | Both GPS and WiFi antennas should be in the left upper corner of N810 |
| 18:26.37 | RST38h | At least this is what the manual says |
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| 18:27.03 | elb | they might be able to share antennae, even, although that would be kind of surprising to me |
| 18:27.20 | elb | receive-only antennae are not as picky as those which have to transmit |
| 18:27.25 | AStorm | I see the antennas in the top part of the device |
| 18:27.35 | AStorm | the black plastic strip has them |
| 18:27.44 | AStorm | but I think one is wifi |
| 18:27.47 | AStorm | the other BT |
| 18:27.51 | AStorm | and no GPS |
| 18:27.57 | elb | bluetooth probably doesn't have an antenna you can distinguish |
| 18:28.29 | elb | it could be simply a trace on the circuit board |
| 18:28.46 | AStorm | no traces visible |
| 18:28.56 | elb | it doesn't have to be visible |
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| 18:28.59 | AStorm | every chip is nicely insulated, each has a cage |
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| 18:29.01 | elb | RF doesn't care ;-) |
| 18:29.30 | elb | so, the point is, physical reality dictates that there is a GPS antenna *somewhere* |
| 18:29.35 | elb | whether or not you can locate it |
| 18:30.10 | AStorm | wait |
| 18:30.29 | AStorm | there is a strip of gold or cu |
| 18:31.23 | AStorm | aaaand... |
| 18:31.50 | AStorm | the whole screen has a back from aluminum |
| 18:32.28 | elb | if that strip is zig-zag and occupies 1cmx.5cm or so, it's almost certainly a bluetooth antenna |
| 18:32.48 | AStorm | it's straight |
| 18:33.03 | elb | then I don't know |
| 18:33.11 | AStorm | 0,5mm x 2cm |
| 18:33.19 | AStorm | blah |
| 18:33.25 | elb | there's no reason a bluetooth antenna has to be zig-zag, of course |
| 18:33.26 | AStorm | 2mm x2cm |
| 18:33.42 | elb | but they typically are, to save space |
| 18:33.55 | AStorm | hehe |
| 18:33.57 | elb | RF gets wonky at those frequencies |
| 18:34.04 | AStorm | that is certainly GPS antenna |
| 18:34.17 | elb | no, the GPS antenna won't be a trace |
| 18:34.20 | AStorm | the BT antenna is close to battery |
| 18:34.24 | elb | it's probably a patch |
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| 18:34.33 | AStorm | it IS a patch |
| 18:34.38 | AStorm | not a trace |
| 18:34.48 | elb | I think you don't know what a patch antenna is ;-) |
| 18:34.59 | elb | it would be square, and have visible cutouts in the traces |
| 18:35.00 | AStorm | it's really tiny |
| 18:35.08 | AStorm | and it doesn't |
| 18:35.15 | AStorm | but it's certainly NOT a BT antenna |
| 18:35.22 | AStorm | bt antenna isin the back, 100% sure |
| 18:35.24 | elb | http://www.alphamicrocomponents.com/components/product~line~48~id~470.asp <-- there's a picture of a GPS antenna next to a micro connector |
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| 18:35.45 | elb | it might not be an antenna at all, of course |
| 18:36.13 | AStorm | it is in the place that affects GPS... |
| 18:36.19 | AStorm | left top corner of the device |
| 18:36.24 | AStorm | a strip of gold |
| 18:36.39 | elb | I can see that logic is futile here |
| 18:36.42 | elb | checks out |
| 18:36.59 | AStorm | close to left speaker |
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| 18:38.23 | AStorm | or i've got it the wrong way around |
| 18:39.01 | AStorm | there is something close to gps chip... that touches its shielding |
| 18:39.13 | AStorm | might be the antenna too, size iscorrect |
| 18:39.26 | AStorm | just right to the battery port |
| 18:39.37 | RST38h | Can you simply show us the image of the damn thing? |
| 18:39.45 | AStorm | yup, wait |
| 18:39.57 | AStorm | sorry for webcam quality |
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| 18:44.14 | AStorm | have to grab gqcam first... |
| 18:44.46 | AStorm | nah, w3cam is better |
| 18:46.50 | AStorm | ok, bt antenna is by the lock key apparently |
| 18:47.18 | AStorm | a small chip, 1cmx2mm |
| 18:47.23 | AStorm | x1mm |
| 18:47.43 | AStorm | nah, wrong |
| 18:47.49 | AStorm | just the lock switch :P |
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| 18:53.12 | lcuk | is there nokia porn going on that im missing out on. i wanna see a stripped down 810 |
| 18:53.39 | lcuk | elb,astorm wakey wakey.. ^ |
| 18:54.20 | AStorm | lcdd: .... |
| 18:54.23 | AStorm | lcuk: :> |
| 18:54.24 | elb | heh I don't have the disassembled unit, AStorm does :-) |
| 18:54.29 | AStorm | in a while |
| 18:54.38 | AStorm | right now, I'm setting up the webcam |
| 18:54.57 | AStorm | vidcat is ok, but doesn't give time for cam to autoadjust the brightness |
| 18:55.03 | lcuk | sod the webcam, wheres the mood lighting and get that nokia a drink. i wanna see it from all angles |
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| 18:55.37 | qwerty12_N800 | is getting excited over this talk of nokia porn |
| 18:56.20 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm: Plan on distributing a dvd? :p |
| 18:56.21 | johnx | is getting skeered. :sleeps instead of waiting around to see where this goes: |
| 18:56.25 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: lol |
| 18:56.37 | lcuk | well i dont think anyones ever seen beneath its cover before, the most its done is lifted its screen and shown a bit of ankle |
| 18:56.49 | AStorm | hehehe |
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| 18:57.56 | AStorm | if you tell me how to NOT photograph myself while grabbing vid with mplayer, then... maybe a vid |
| 18:58.00 | lcuk | might i ask, why are you invading her privacy? |
| 18:58.09 | AStorm | because of the power socket |
| 18:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | There's are enough dissection pics online. |
| 18:58.25 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: of N810, or N800? ;P |
| 18:58.26 | lcuk | of the 810? |
| 18:58.29 | ImMelody | Am I the only one that has thought of my nokia as a guy? |
| 18:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Both |
| 18:58.33 | AStorm | goodie |
| 18:58.40 | AStorm | ImMelody: hehehe |
| 18:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, the FCC docs have all sorts of pictures of the board. |
| 18:58.44 | elb | probably, because I think of mine as an inanimate object |
| 18:58.45 | AStorm | yup |
| 18:58.50 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: board, sure |
| 18:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, elb. |
| 18:59.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Well, i consider mine both, as it has a hole and an ejecting camera |
| 18:59.11 | AStorm | do they have pics of the various antennas? |
| 18:59.13 | ImMelody | I think my nokia is very masculine |
| 18:59.25 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: N810 doesn't have the ejecting camera |
| 18:59.27 | AStorm | :P |
| 18:59.35 | lcuk | you have to stroke the nokia gently. you cannot be rough with it at all |
| 18:59.41 | ImMelody | qwerty12_N800: you realize, guys have a hole too, right? ;) |
| 18:59.55 | lcuk | so what happened to the power port |
| 19:00.02 | AStorm | nothing |
| 19:00.09 | AStorm | I'm mad at the plugs breaking |
| 19:00.10 | qwerty12_N800 | ImMelody: Of course, it's how the air gets to my brain! |
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| 19:00.26 | AStorm | and there's enough space for the larger variant |
| 19:00.39 | AStorm | it's easily replacable, the socket |
| 19:00.52 | ImMelody | lol |
| 19:01.12 | lcuk | hmmm upgrades! |
| 19:01.19 | AStorm | :> |
| 19:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, Nokia tends to use the same components across their product lines |
| 19:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | it costs less money |
| 19:01.41 | AStorm | yup |
| 19:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | The fat plug has been phased out. |
| 19:01.47 | AStorm | yes |
| 19:01.55 | AStorm | USB plug has been phased in |
| 19:02.02 | AStorm | thus I need an USB charge mod |
| 19:02.03 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, show me a pic of an 810 before astorm then |
| 19:02.09 | AStorm | lcuk: :> |
| 19:02.24 | elb | AStorm: have you had plugs actaully break? |
| 19:02.29 | elb | or is this theoretical? |
| 19:02.32 | lcuk | ive tried looking in the usual places |
| 19:02.39 | lcuk | who cares, dont try and talk him out of it |
| 19:02.49 | elb | heh |
| 19:03.16 | lcuk | it should go back together (mostly) |
| 19:04.39 | lcuk | i took apart my toshiba 6100 the other night, before i thought to go online and check i had a bed full of jigsaw pieces. when i went back online i found the guide with 3 sodding pages full of detailed pictures showing the teardown |
| 19:04.49 | lcuk | i wouldnt have started if i had known.. |
| 19:05.55 | qwerty12_N800 | I broke my Pocket pc opening it. I have to press on the screen for the display with a broken backlight appears. |
| 19:06.19 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you should have simply googled for service manual |
| 19:06.33 | KotCzarny | at least ibm and dell have them |
| 19:06.55 | AStorm | elb: actually |
| 19:06.57 | AStorm | and twice |
| 19:07.10 | AStorm | And N810 is already apart, so... |
| 19:07.14 | AStorm | time for pics |
| 19:07.17 | lcuk | nokia is mia |
| 19:09.08 | KotCzarny | goes into darkness of backlog |
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| 19:15.56 | Cptnodegard | does evince support bought pdf ebooks? i think thweres some drm crap on them |
| 19:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | No, Cptnodegard. |
| 19:17.13 | Cptnodegard | -____- |
| 19:17.20 | Cptnodegard | gay drm crap :( |
| 19:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, don't support it with your money. :P |
| 19:17.45 | Cptnodegard | couldnt find the book in #bookz on udnernet |
| 19:17.58 | Jaffa | publishes his blog post, and thanks y'all for your help with it |
| 19:18.16 | AStorm | ok, pics done |
| 19:18.17 | Cptnodegard | post-nemesis star trek books, apaprently too new to be there |
| 19:18.42 | Cptnodegard | buys a kindle |
| 19:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | Star Trek books. |
| 19:19.04 | Cptnodegard | what? -__- |
| 19:19.20 | AStorm | sorry for lack of quality :> |
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| 19:23.05 | AStorm | http://astralstorm.bounceme.net/n810/ |
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| 19:24.01 | qwerty12_N800 | unable to connect :(, i wanna see my n810 porn :p |
| 19:24.16 | AStorm | ehhh... |
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| 19:25.16 | AStorm | lighttpd failing at me |
| 19:27.00 | AStorm | fcgi, to be exact |
| 19:28.36 | AStorm | now working |
| 19:29.32 | qwerty12_N800 | OH YES |
| 19:30.07 | qwerty12_N800 | is DOWNLOADING RIGHT NOW AND GETTING MY CREDIT CARD OUT |
| 19:30.31 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:30.40 | czr | maybe you should order a COBOL programming book while at it :-) |
| 19:30.43 | Cptnodegard | you borked it o.o |
| 19:30.49 | AStorm | no |
| 19:30.54 | AStorm | it's just disassembled |
| 19:30.57 | AStorm | :-) |
| 19:31.03 | AStorm | reassembling now :P |
| 19:31.13 | KotCzarny | astorm! |
| 19:31.15 | KotCzarny | wait! |
| 19:31.19 | KotCzarny | take photos! |
| 19:31.22 | AStorm | I did |
| 19:31.30 | KotCzarny | there's no 810 pr0n on internet, yet |
| 19:31.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:31.31 | AStorm | KotCzarny: http://astralstorm.bounceme.net/n810/ |
| 19:31.40 | AStorm | sorry for bootleg quality ;P |
| 19:31.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:32.00 | Cptnodegard | someone should find a chick and take real IT pr0n |
| 19:32.16 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:32.30 | KotCzarny | 'if you look long enough you will see tits' ? |
| 19:32.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:32.55 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:33.02 | KotCzarny | astorm, why are the pic reversed? |
| 19:33.03 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:33.08 | KotCzarny | *is |
| 19:33.09 | qwerty12_N800 | I'd push the n810's buttons any time... |
| 19:33.55 | RST38h | AStorm: that is highly amateurish pr0n |
| 19:34.32 | KotCzarny | better than nothing |
| 19:34.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:35.01 | RST38h | But the antennas will probably be under the white layer of plastic |
| 19:35.34 | AStorm | RST38h: nah, that's the keyboard |
| 19:35.37 | AStorm | :-) |
| 19:35.51 | AStorm | the rubber part of the keyboard lies on top of these switches |
| 19:35.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:36.11 | ImMelody | OMG! I totally forgot to factor in data calls! |
| 19:36.17 | ImMelody | cries |
| 19:36.24 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:36.30 | KotCzarny | data calls? |
| 19:37.00 | KotCzarny | are you on some pay-per-byte plan? |
| 19:37.08 | ImMelody | lol...no |
| 19:37.09 | AStorm | reassembly 50% complete |
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| 19:37.25 | ImMelody | I forgot to factor in data calls when I started making my icons |
| 19:37.29 | fysa | AStorm: which memory chip does it use? accessible? |
| 19:37.52 | practisevoodoo | is there any diff between getting a minisd or a microsd and an adapter? |
| 19:38.02 | KotCzarny | other than size? |
| 19:38.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:38.07 | AStorm | everything is under the grills it seems |
| 19:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | wifi/adhoc/data/GPRS |
| 19:38.12 | practisevoodoo | yeah |
| 19:38.42 | AStorm | fysa: I won't be taking these off |
| 19:38.44 | AStorm | they're real pain to mount back |
| 19:39.04 | ImMelody | data is only online, connecting or off, right? |
| 19:39.50 | AStorm | reassembly 80% complete |
| 19:39.53 | RST38h | practice: 8GB cards are only available in microsd format |
| 19:39.57 | RST38h | but not minisd |
| 19:40.13 | RST38h | AStorm: severely scary stuff |
| 19:40.31 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 19:40.40 | KotCzarny | full size sd too |
| 19:40.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:41.22 | qwerty12_N800 | needs to set up localepurge again :( |
| 19:43.24 | RST38h | Well, full size sd won't fit into that hole, so it is out of consideration |
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| 19:43.56 | acydlord | there are microsd to minisd adapters |
| 19:44.01 | ImMelody | Why did they decide to go with miniSD instead of regular SD for 810? |
| 19:44.19 | AStorm | space |
| 19:44.36 | AStorm | there's no way a full sd would fit |
| 19:44.40 | KotCzarny | rst38h: drill it |
| 19:44.45 | AStorm | they could've used 2x microsd though |
| 19:44.51 | BugBlue | because minisd is cooler |
| 19:44.52 | ImMelody | yeah |
| 19:45.05 | BugBlue | has actually a microsd card in his n810 |
| 19:45.12 | AStorm | too |
| 19:45.31 | BugBlue | awaits the first 'dual microsd to minisd' adapter at dealextreme.com (it's chinese crap but hey it works) |
| 19:45.37 | AStorm | reassembly 95% complete |
| 19:45.50 | KotCzarny | has dual full size sd cards in his n800 |
| 19:45.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:46.17 | AStorm | and now I get that "shit I forgot to put those two screws in" feeling |
| 19:46.36 | KotCzarny | ;)) |
| 19:46.46 | KotCzarny | 'hey, i've got spare parts' |
| 19:46.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:47.02 | KotCzarny | 'but i don't see any empty holes' |
| 19:47.08 | AStorm | exactly |
| 19:47.09 | BugBlue | AStorm: that's why I make maps on paper where I get the screws from and work backwards from that map when I put it together again |
| 19:47.16 | AStorm | there are holes |
| 19:47.18 | BugBlue | AStorm: laptops, mobile phones, ... |
| 19:47.20 | AStorm | inside |
| 19:47.40 | AStorm | not much work now though |
| 19:47.45 | KotCzarny | bugblue: ibm thinkpads have (dis)assembly manuals |
| 19:47.49 | BugBlue | take a sheet of paper, draw the device (very simple) and number the screws :P |
| 19:48.11 | BugBlue | KotCzarny: apple's too... and you know what the fun is, most of these manuals miss one or 2 screws |
| 19:48.15 | BugBlue | damn |
| 19:48.17 | BugBlue | my mobile phone is empty |
| 19:48.18 | AStorm | I know which two I forgot ;P |
| 19:48.21 | BugBlue | means: IRC is empty |
| 19:48.28 | KotCzarny | bugblue: that's not the case in thinkpads |
| 19:48.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:50.56 | BugBlue | lot: most hardware I touch isn't IBM hardware |
| 19:51.13 | BugBlue | kot<tab>: I mean |
| 19:51.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:51.29 | AStorm | ofc, forgot keyboard screws :P |
| 19:52.35 | AStorm | hmm, no |
| 19:52.44 | AStorm | where do these two come from... |
| 19:52.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:52.59 | KotCzarny | maybe from another device? |
| 19:53.57 | AStorm | no, I don't use any microstar screws |
| 19:54.12 | AStorm | ahhhh, my bad |
| 19:54.23 | AStorm | no need to dismantle again |
| 19:54.31 | AStorm | from the stand |
| 19:54.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | I need to buy something to adjust my kickstand. |
| 19:55.28 | AStorm | there are exactly 6 screws in n810 |
| 19:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's a little loose after a year of heavy use. |
| 19:56.01 | KotCzarny | superglue works wonders |
| 19:56.06 | KotCzarny | if something is loose |
| 19:56.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:59.44 | lcuk | never uses his kickstand |
| 19:59.51 | lcuk | unless changing the battery |
| 20:00.11 | KotCzarny | uses it sometimes during skype sessions or vid watching |
| 20:00.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's always open when it's set down on my desk. |
| 20:00.37 | KotCzarny | also it takes less space on desk |
| 20:00.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:03.19 | lcuk | i cant use the stylus with it on stand |
| 20:03.42 | KotCzarny | be gentle |
| 20:03.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:04.01 | KotCzarny | using finger nails can work too |
| 20:04.01 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, let ur shoulders lean back :p |
| 20:04.07 | lcuk | i always am but it still falls over |
| 20:04.16 | KotCzarny | not gentle enough :) |
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| 20:04.41 | lcuk | mouse pressure reads "Are you touching me?" |
| 20:05.14 | lcuk | looks at his stumpy chewed fingers |
| 20:05.24 | KotCzarny | u touchin me? huh? u touchin? *angry sounds* |
| 20:06.05 | lcuk | SEXUAL HARASSMENT, theres some guy touching me and another one stripped me before and took naughty pictures of me |
| 20:06.44 | lcuk | i wonder if the n95 will protect his sister |
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| 20:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | Creepy bastard. . . . |
| 20:08.06 | ImMelody | GeneralAntilles: GPRS and Data calls are either just on or off, right? |
| 20:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | GPRS, definitely. |
| 20:08.24 | GeneralAntilles | Data, I've never used. |
| 20:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | Grab the icons directory and look at 'em. |
| 20:08.44 | AStorm | blah, broke the kick stand ;P |
| 20:08.48 | AStorm | I mean, the stops |
| 20:08.51 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:08.51 | AStorm | let's see ;P |
| 20:08.52 | lcuk | how? |
| 20:08.57 | ImMelody | I have them and it just has two icons.. one for GPRS and one for data call |
| 20:09.13 | ImMelody | I just wanted to make 100% before just making two blue icons XD |
| 20:09.20 | AStorm | lcuk: something didn't click apparently |
| 20:09.23 | AStorm | let's see again |
| 20:09.57 | KotCzarny | that's what you get after getting naughty and stripping underage technology |
| 20:10.11 | AStorm | hahaha |
| 20:10.45 | AStorm | "she said she was 18" |
| 20:10.52 | KotCzarny | ..months |
| 20:10.52 | RST38h | AStorm: Have you taken measures btw? |
| 20:10.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:11.03 | AStorm | RST38h: measures of what? |
| 20:11.07 | AStorm | I took pictures :-) |
| 20:11.09 | RST38h | AStorm: The Measures |
| 20:11.15 | AStorm | ah, these |
| 20:11.18 | AStorm | sure |
| 20:11.47 | RST38h | The Measures to prevent it from giving birth to a a hybrid monster |
| 20:12.04 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 20:12.04 | RST38h | You know, the listtle OMAP-based AStorm |
| 20:12.12 | KotCzarny | avoid thunderstorms. |
| 20:12.13 | RST38h | s/listtle/little/ |
| 20:12.14 | lcuk | n810-AStorm the black sheep of the NIT family |
| 20:12.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 20:12.43 | KotCzarny | hmm, wait, is n810 male or female? |
| 20:12.44 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 20:12.57 | KotCzarny | and more importantly, is astorm male or female? |
| 20:12.59 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 20:13.00 | AStorm | ahha, attached the stand the wrong way |
| 20:13.05 | lcuk | you don;t stroke a male as gently as you stroke your nokia internet tablet |
| 20:13.18 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I give you two guesses |
| 20:13.19 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 20:13.34 | lcuk | whenever i try to be gentle stroking my man pussy he bites and claws at my hand |
| 20:14.00 | KotCzarny | character. |
| 20:14.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:14.13 | KotCzarny | mine is female, and bites and claws too |
| 20:14.41 | lcuk | mine are called george and lennon :D we are gettin a new cat in a few weeks called mcartney |
| 20:14.59 | KotCzarny | where is yoko |
| 20:14.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:15.03 | fysa | creepy |
| 20:15.20 | qwerty12_N800 | N800 cannot determine the signal of a phone so i would assume it is just 2 |
| 20:15.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Has anyone connected xbox controller? Fanoush's kernel has xpad driver as module. |
| 20:15.24 | lcuk | the last female cat we had was called elvis, and to say she was the neighbourhood bike was an understatement |
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| 20:15.56 | KotCzarny | neighbourhood bike? |
| 20:15.57 | lcuk | (dont ask why she was called elvis btw..) |
| 20:16.09 | lcuk | yes, all the other cats used to ride her |
| 20:16.14 | AStorm | yay |
| 20:16.23 | AStorm | now the kickstand works better than before ;P |
| 20:16.29 | lcuk | wicked |
| 20:16.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:17.01 | KotCzarny | it will break faster |
| 20:17.14 | KotCzarny | i mean the clicking parts will get flat |
| 20:17.16 | AStorm | nope |
| 20:17.33 | AStorm | they're made from metal |
| 20:17.40 | KotCzarny | metal can get flat too |
| 20:17.45 | AStorm | sure |
| 20:17.51 | AStorm | but first, the keyboard will fail |
| 20:18.16 | AStorm | or the screen |
| 20:18.33 | KotCzarny | or the user |
| 20:18.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:18.44 | AStorm | screen works |
| 20:18.58 | AStorm | gains 50% to his Repair skill |
| 20:19.00 | lcuk | so why did you do this again? |
| 20:19.23 | lcuk | <though you have gained much credit for your actions :) ) |
| 20:19.29 | AStorm | to see how to replace the damned plug |
| 20:19.35 | AStorm | uhm, power socket |
| 20:19.35 | lcuk | has it actually broken |
| 20:19.41 | AStorm | no |
| 20:19.48 | lcuk | just planning for the future |
| 20:19.48 | AStorm | what broke is the plug |
| 20:19.52 | AStorm | exactly |
| 20:19.59 | AStorm | conversion to USB power supply |
| 20:20.11 | AStorm | btw, I saw 5 pins in micro-USB |
| 20:20.23 | AStorm | hmm, 5 wires |
| 20:20.27 | AStorm | or what you will |
| 20:20.32 | lcuk | would that work or would it fry anything in the usb if you connect both |
| 20:20.36 | AStorm | which are + and -5V? |
| 20:20.45 | AStorm | well... |
| 20:20.48 | lcuk | dont know specifically for that plug type |
| 20:20.51 | AStorm | I could put two diodes |
| 20:20.58 | KotCzarny | just google it |
| 20:20.59 | AStorm | so no burnup |
| 20:20.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:21.05 | lcuk | yer kot, it is around |
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| 20:21.11 | lcuk | theres some russian connector site somewhere |
| 20:21.16 | lcuk | infact ive got links somewhere |
| 20:21.39 | lcuk | http://pinouts.ru/Devices/mini-USB_pinout.shtml |
| 20:21.59 | lcuk | confirm everything first |
| 20:22.05 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:22.13 | KotCzarny | pin x is between 3 and 4 ? |
| 20:22.14 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 20:22.51 | AStorm | that's mini-USB |
| 20:22.54 | AStorm | not micro-USB |
| 20:23.28 | KotCzarny | in n800 it's mini-usb |
| 20:23.30 | AStorm | I only care about +5V and GND |
| 20:24.25 | AStorm | these two are exposed as nice two solder points :> the 5V socket is replacable |
| 20:24.43 | AStorm | how's it called... sliding connection or whatever |
| 20:24.52 | AStorm | really crummy |
| 20:25.01 | AStorm | not connected to the board at all :> |
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| 20:27.40 | AStorm | fortunately, <1 A, so it doesn't spark ;P |
| 20:28.58 | lcuk | *doesnt spark at a range visible to your eye |
| 20:29.30 | AStorm | nah, shouldn't |
| 20:29.34 | KotCzarny | i have always thought it's V that's important for sparks |
| 20:29.35 | KotCzarny | not A |
| 20:29.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:29.52 | AStorm | both are |
| 20:30.43 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 20:30.46 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 20:31.07 | KotCzarny | unless you know something i don't |
| 20:39.35 | lcuk | high voltage low ampage can produce huge sparks (tesla coil) 10KV 250ma |
| 20:40.01 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:40.04 | glass | voltage defines if it will jump, afaik |
| 20:40.05 | KotCzarny | that's what i have said |
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| 20:40.15 | KotCzarny | but if you provide 1000A and 0.0000001V |
| 20:40.20 | KotCzarny | then it won't spark |
| 20:40.31 | lcuk | no, but that shit willkill you |
| 20:40.40 | KotCzarny | assuming material is resistant to sparks below 1V |
| 20:40.50 | KotCzarny | we are talking about sparks |
| 20:40.56 | KotCzarny | not killing with high current |
| 20:40.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:41.15 | lcuk | i thought astorm had electrified his n810 as an alarm |
| 20:41.30 | lcuk | BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT! Owwww! |
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| 20:41.43 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:41.48 | AStorm | not yet |
| 20:42.26 | AStorm | ok, time to read Micro USB pinout |
| 20:43.11 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:43.25 | KotCzarny | i think electrified n810 would kill itself |
| 20:43.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:43.42 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.09 | cyberholic | gooood evening everyone! |
| 20:44.10 | KotCzarny | i can only think of high current producing sparks as the result of wire meltdown |
| 20:44.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:44.25 | KotCzarny | wire/insulator meltdown |
| 20:44.31 | cyberholic | hey people, i have just found a SPLENDID way to destroy the screen of my n800! |
| 20:44.45 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: hammer is the best |
| 20:44.50 | cyberholic | http://www.mojocafe.net/test.html |
| 20:44.53 | AStorm | cyberholic: :> |
| 20:45.00 | cyberholic | sorry. http://www.mojocafe.net/test.swf i meant |
| 20:45.19 | cyberholic | hammer is the name of a german METAL-ROCK magazine *lol* |
| 20:45.27 | KotCzarny | i know |
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| 20:45.31 | KotCzarny | but it's metal hammer |
| 20:45.32 | KotCzarny | afair |
| 20:45.33 | AStorm | lol |
| 20:45.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:45.42 | cyberholic | And rock is wwhat you can do with the test.swf looooool |
| 20:45.45 | KotCzarny | unless they have changed the name |
| 20:46.09 | cyberholic | kot: ya right! .... the flash performance on the n800 is so slow, that i am only able to play "we will rock you" from Queen on the test.swf :) |
| 20:46.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:46.24 | KotCzarny | cyberholic, optimize, optimize |
| 20:46.25 | lcuk | hey cyberholic you takin ideas again :P that would work better with touchscreen pressure data :P |
| 20:46.36 | KotCzarny | do you really need the drum app rendered with 'high' quality? |
| 20:46.59 | cyberholic | lcuk: looool... touch sensitive you mean? come one! Tell me ONE rock band that is touch sensitive ;) |
| 20:47.05 | lcuk | :D you have a drum on your logo |
| 20:47.30 | lcuk | actually no i meant pressure sensitive, hold your drumsticks and drum soft or drum hard |
| 20:47.30 | cyberholic | Kot: thanks a lot man! i forgot that one again! I will switch that! |
| 20:47.35 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 20:47.49 | cyberholic | lcuk: i know! it's ab cow-bell because i am such a pig *lol* |
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| 20:48.13 | lcuk | i keep saing your efforts would be so much more appreciated if you came to the darkside and started coding natively |
| 20:48.54 | KotCzarny | lcuk, ask him if he owns a nokia tablet first |
| 20:48.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:49.01 | cyberholic | lcuk :) .... "came to the darkside" equals "get employed by NOKIA" ? *pffffff* Luke - i am your farther" *pfffffffffff* |
| 20:49.30 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 20:49.37 | lcuk | wooot, then i must be employed by nokia, kot you as well, pupnik, did you know you were on the payroll, anyone else? |
| 20:49.42 | cyberholic | Hello Tama.... i'm your father Tama! *pfffffffff* |
| 20:50.06 | Tama^2 | now I know why I am so UGLY! |
| 20:50.23 | cyberholic | *rofl* ... nah ya not! I was just kidding. |
| 20:50.34 | lcuk | ugly? or his father? |
| 20:50.36 | cyberholic | Hey people.... want me to add some basslines to the drum-machine? |
| 20:50.37 | AStorm | I will soon be... why not |
| 20:50.39 | AStorm | :> |
| 20:50.49 | AStorm | cyberholic: first, make the drums louder |
| 20:50.54 | AStorm | they're puny now |
| 20:51.01 | lcuk | turn them upto 11 |
| 20:51.06 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: if you want more clicks find a thread on itt that was about drum machine |
| 20:51.19 | cyberholic | AStorm: impossible..... can't you plug your device to your stereo? *gg* |
| 20:51.36 | KotCzarny | bt ear drum killer |
| 20:51.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:51.46 | lcuk | do what the kids tv studios do: increase sampling rate. pump up and clip the samples |
| 20:51.48 | cyberholic | Kot: i do not want more clicks - i want from all of you your love 8x |
| 20:52.05 | cyberholic | Kot: but i will mention it on ITT |
| 20:52.14 | AStorm | cyberholic: I prefer my headphones |
| 20:52.19 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: i mean, those will be the people actually interested in this specific app |
| 20:52.38 | lcuk | KotCzarny, cyberholic has an 800 ive seen pictures |
| 20:52.38 | cyberholic | Kot: so you still don`t love me? :[ |
| 20:52.40 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: find that thread, don't just start new one :) |
| 20:52.54 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: i'm ambivalent :) |
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| 20:55.55 | cyberholic | Ok, i hvae updated it and set som Credits (now you three will hate me!)... http://www.mojocafe.net/test.swf |
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| 20:56.46 | gribouille | are sd cards hot-swappable ? |
| 20:56.55 | KotCzarny | does lowering the quality helped with speed? |
| 20:57.02 | KotCzarny | grib: yes |
| 20:57.07 | cyberholic | well a bit indeed! |
| 20:57.18 | cyberholic | The sound-response is much quicker! |
| 20:57.23 | KotCzarny | good |
| 20:57.40 | lcuk | hey, i didnt help |
| 20:57.43 | cyberholic | but if you play a lot of the instruments my device starts to hate me! |
| 20:57.56 | lcuk | is a hinderance |
| 20:58.06 | gribouille | KotCzarny, If I put an sd card in my tablet, is it automatically mounted ? |
| 20:58.10 | cyberholic | lcuk: but you take your time and in days like these, time is very valuable! |
| 20:58.18 | KotCzarny | grib: assuming it's vfat |
| 20:58.29 | KotCzarny | and formatted |
| 20:58.47 | gribouille | KotCzarny, and what happens if I remove a card without unmounting the file system ? |
| 20:59.03 | KotCzarny | grib: when you open sd cover it umount automatically |
| 20:59.05 | cyberholic | shall i put a "music-teacher" in the drum machine? it could blink up so that you will learn to play "we will rock you" looool. |
| 20:59.16 | KotCzarny | ie. open latch and see if the card is still mounted |
| 20:59.21 | lcuk | i cant hear the highhat options |
| 20:59.23 | KotCzarny | (but don't eject the card) |
| 20:59.49 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: is there a midi player in flash? |
| 20:59.56 | gribouille | KotCzarny, why not ? |
| 20:59.58 | cyberholic | yep |
| 21:00.02 | KotCzarny | grib: for testing |
| 21:00.07 | cyberholic | no wait! i mean, flash can play midis! |
| 21:00.08 | lcuk | but my cats ears are pricking and the kids are complaining so i will assume its working |
| 21:00.30 | KotCzarny | lol, lcuk, you're deaf! |
| 21:00.48 | KotCzarny | so early.. |
| 21:00.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:00.55 | lcuk | i can hear them really, but they are at upper bounds, i have to turn speakers up more to hear them normally |
| 21:01.15 | lcuk | alters the tone |
| 21:01.20 | lcuk | ahhhh damn kids |
| 21:01.27 | KotCzarny | deafness doesn't happen in one moment |
| 21:01.36 | KotCzarny | it decreases gradually your ability to hear |
| 21:01.48 | cyberholic | geeeeesus! i am not going to respond on that "drummachine" thread at ITT - it is from LAST YEAR! *sigh* .... Last year is so... is sooooo old! |
| 21:01.51 | cyberholic | lol |
| 21:01.59 | lcuk | it did for my missus, she is exactly 50% deaf |
| 21:02.13 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: so what? it will notify people that were subscribed to it |
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| 21:02.25 | KotCzarny | and bump it |
| 21:02.27 | cyberholic | i know, i was just kidding. |
| 21:02.33 | lcuk | it may reawaken their urges to play drums |
| 21:02.38 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 21:02.42 | lcuk | which they will do for 5 minutes before carrying on whatever they did |
| 21:02.57 | lcuk | happy in the knowledge their lifes achievement of playing drums on their 810 is complete |
| 21:03.10 | cyberholic | lol :) |
| 21:03.13 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.31 | cyberholic | lcuk: i can add Levels to it! |
| 21:03.33 | flo_lap | re |
| 21:03.37 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 21:03.38 | lcuk | incidentally, why do i have to kick tom? |
| 21:04.13 | KotCzarny | cyberholic, yeah, making simon game out of drums is nice |
| 21:04.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:04.54 | cyberholic | kot: i have that on my to-do list already :) |
| 21:07.13 | cyberholic | looooooooool! i played around with my drummachine and for a moment i went mad and thought i was playing something from Sepultura! |
| 21:07.53 | KotCzarny | i'm a techno freak anyway |
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| 21:12.57 | cyberholic | maybe i can optimized the speed of the drummachine if someone of you could tell me what the best sound quality would be, or is that of no matter to the device? |
| 21:13.59 | elb | AStorm: suck (broken plugs) |
| 21:14.51 | AStorm | elb: hmm? |
| 21:14.57 | AStorm | yup, they do suck |
| 21:15.07 | AStorm | that's why I'm seeking to convert USB to charge my Nxxx |
| 21:15.15 | elb | what broke, exactly? |
| 21:15.23 | KotCzarny | astorm, just make an adapter? |
| 21:15.26 | AStorm | that flimsy 5V plug |
| 21:15.35 | elb | what *part* of the plug? |
| 21:15.37 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no! it'd still have the junk plug |
| 21:15.40 | elb | mine doesn't seem flimsy at all |
| 21:15.47 | KotCzarny | astorm: straight angle adapter |
| 21:15.47 | AStorm | elb: the plug itself :> |
| 21:15.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:16.02 | AStorm | elb: metal part |
| 21:16.07 | AStorm | and plastic too |
| 21:16.14 | AStorm | junk |
| 21:16.27 | AStorm | and twice |
| 21:16.27 | elb | huh |
| 21:16.34 | AStorm | one weekly |
| 21:16.53 | AStorm | so, I'll find out which is 5V and which is ground |
| 21:16.57 | elb | seems improbable to me |
| 21:17.03 | elb | that's labeled on the wall wart |
| 21:17.12 | AStorm | .... |
| 21:17.13 | elb | (by law) |
| 21:17.18 | AStorm | the 5V broke |
| 21:17.22 | AStorm | not the 220V plug |
| 21:17.30 | elb | yes ... but the polarity of the 5v plug is labeled on the wall wart |
| 21:17.32 | elb | look at it |
| 21:17.34 | AStorm | ... |
| 21:17.41 | AStorm | which wall wart? |
| 21:17.45 | AStorm | in the device? ;P |
| 21:17.48 | elb | the 220v end |
| 21:17.55 | elb | there should be a label with a little diagram of a ring and pin |
| 21:18.01 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 21:18.06 | KotCzarny | it's not the problem |
| 21:18.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:18.09 | elb | and it will say which is + and which is -, as well as the voltage and amperage |
| 21:18.15 | KotCzarny | the real problem is that i broke |
| 21:18.22 | AStorm | nopes |
| 21:18.27 | elb | huh |
| 21:18.28 | KotCzarny | and he doesn't want do have anything with that nokia's plug anymore |
| 21:18.29 | AStorm | voltage and amperage are there |
| 21:18.29 | elb | looks at his |
| 21:18.39 | elb | KotCzarny: right, but he's trying to identify polarity |
| 21:19.01 | AStorm | yup |
| 21:19.05 | AStorm | usb only has +5V |
| 21:19.06 | KotCzarny | ah, i see |
| 21:19.11 | KotCzarny | sorry :) |
| 21:19.17 | AStorm | so the other has to be GND |
| 21:19.17 | KotCzarny | and no, it's not labelled |
| 21:19.21 | KotCzarny | at least not on mine |
| 21:19.26 | KotCzarny | but usualyy + is in the center |
| 21:19.32 | AStorm | I think the pin is live, the sleeve is GND |
| 21:19.34 | KotCzarny | and - is on the outside |
| 21:19.44 | elb | huh, mine's not labeled, either ... maybe because it's a european import? |
| 21:19.50 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 21:19.54 | KotCzarny | mine is us version |
| 21:20.06 | KotCzarny | made in china |
| 21:20.08 | elb | normally the tip is +5 and the ring is ground, but you can't count on that |
| 21:20.09 | KotCzarny | (charger) |
| 21:20.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:20.12 | elb | yeah, mine is the US version as well |
| 21:20.19 | elb | but normally things in teh US are labeled |
| 21:20.20 | AStorm | elb: that's why I'll check |
| 21:20.22 | elb | in fact, I thought UL required it |
| 21:20.28 | AStorm | it's easy to do once I broke the plug ;P |
| 21:20.38 | elb | but this has a UL logo on it |
| 21:20.40 | elb | and no diagram |
| 21:20.46 | KotCzarny | interestingly enough regular phone charger also is missing diagram |
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| 21:20.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:21.03 | cyberholic | do you guys think that i can destroy the device loudspeakers with the drummachine? If i play multiple drums for a while the loudspeaker sounds like "its time to say goodbye old boy!" |
| 21:21.05 | AStorm | that's because it's non-mandatory |
| 21:21.18 | cyberholic | Astorm: the loudspeakers? |
| 21:21.32 | elb | AStorm: for at least some equipment, it's mandatory in the US |
| 21:21.37 | elb | I thought it was for all wall warts |
| 21:21.45 | elb | but perhaps only if they carry a certain amount of power or some crap |
| 21:22.09 | elb | well, mandatory in some locales -- but in practice that means everywhere, because it's not like companies make different parts for CA or MA or whatever states are the problem ;-) |
| 21:22.23 | KotCzarny | elb: as i said, mine is us version |
| 21:22.29 | KotCzarny | and is missing diagram as well |
| 21:22.29 | elb | it's pretty normal to have a little logo that looks like -Co- where the o is inside the C |
| 21:22.33 | elb | KotCzarny: as I said, mine is too |
| 21:22.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:22.55 | elb | KotCzarny: and also not labeled |
| 21:22.59 | elb | KotCzarny: but ... this is atypical |
| 21:23.03 | AStorm | the construction of the 5V plug is suicide ;> |
| 21:23.05 | KotCzarny | not for nokia |
| 21:23.10 | AStorm | it's two rings |
| 21:23.10 | cyberholic | does anyone of you know REST? |
| 21:23.15 | KotCzarny | as i said other nokia's phone charger is missing it too |
| 21:23.23 | AStorm | cyberholic: I don't |
| 21:23.24 | KotCzarny | cyberholic: change your nick name |
| 21:23.31 | KotCzarny | because you're not true to it |
| 21:23.33 | cyberholic | Kot: why? |
| 21:23.40 | KotCzarny | asking such questions |
| 21:23.43 | cyberholic | *lol* |
| 21:24.04 | elb | yeah, nokia sucks, apparently ;-) |
| 21:24.07 | cyberholic | Man, i am so much into XML and think that i am falling in love with REST but i do not know how to parse it within php |
| 21:24.17 | KotCzarny | elb: maybe it's nda ;) |
| 21:24.26 | elb | I just looked at my Nintendo DS wall wart, a Motorola phone wall wart, a clock power adapter, and a GameCube inline wart |
| 21:24.28 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:24.29 | elb | all of them are labeled |
| 21:24.38 | KotCzarny | i have thought you are talking about physical rest |
| 21:24.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:24.41 | elb | it's just Nokia ;-) |
| 21:24.47 | KotCzarny | stupid name for a project |
| 21:24.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:24.51 | KotCzarny | or language |
| 21:25.14 | cyberholic | Kot: nope, the SOAP / REST thing going on |
| 21:25.27 | KotCzarny | first time i have heard about 'rest' |
| 21:25.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:25.31 | cyberholic | elb: well, the most easiest way to find out the power is to wetten your finger and touch it - i think. |
| 21:25.44 | cyberholic | Kot :) |
| 21:25.46 | AStorm | drat, I've to write some AJAX with SOAP (mwhahaha) for Wednesday |
| 21:25.52 | KotCzarny | checking with multimeter is simpler |
| 21:25.59 | KotCzarny | and ore correct |
| 21:26.00 | cyberholic | AStorm: aint that nearly the same? |
| 21:26.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: indeed |
| 21:26.07 | AStorm | cyberholic: no |
| 21:26.12 | cyberholic | ok :[ |
| 21:26.13 | AStorm | SOAP is a protocol |
| 21:26.14 | KotCzarny | *more |
| 21:26.17 | AStorm | AJAX is just a technique |
| 21:26.29 | cyberholic | like for parsing, right? |
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| 21:26.39 | KotCzarny | both are abbreviations |
| 21:26.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:26.41 | AStorm | uh, it's simpler |
| 21:26.47 | AStorm | Adv. JavaScript and XML |
| 21:27.06 | AStorm | KotCzarny: and both are washing products :P |
| 21:27.07 | KotCzarny | apache/js/a?/xml |
| 21:27.09 | AStorm | or cleaning |
| 21:27.21 | AStorm | KotCzarny: Advanced JavaScript And XML |
| 21:27.23 | KotCzarny | forgot what was second 'a' for |
| 21:27.37 | AStorm | nah |
| 21:27.43 | AStorm | Asynchronous JavaScript and XML |
| 21:27.50 | KotCzarny | Ajax (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) |
| 21:27.51 | AlbertoP_ | Good afternoon .... I have a Nokia 770 running latest OS 2006 .. My question is: Is ther a way to make a FULL BACKUP of the OS partition (from a Linux PC) so I can make my own modified .bin and whenever I need to reinstall the system, I already have a full operating copy and don't need to install the Nokia .bin and start installing all the apps .... ? |
| 21:27.51 | AStorm | that's the correct one |
| 21:27.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:27.57 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:28.10 | KotCzarny | 2006 isn't latest |
| 21:28.15 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: sure, it's called rsync |
| 21:28.18 | AStorm | :-) |
| 21:28.25 | AlbertoP_ | lastest of OS2006 ... ;) (49-2, I think) |
| 21:28.31 | KotCzarny | alberto: with some hacking, probably |
| 21:28.34 | AStorm | also, you can backup using the flasher program |
| 21:28.51 | AStorm | thus create a .bin |
| 21:28.54 | AlbertoP_ | the flasher program for linux, you mean ? |
| 21:29.07 | AlbertoP_ | (I have used the Nokia flasher for Windowze so far only) |
| 21:30.07 | KotCzarny | hmm, anyone knows where fluxbox stores window positions? |
| 21:30.32 | AlbertoP_ | AStorm, you mean the flasher utility for Linux, right ? |
| 21:30.50 | AStorm | yup |
| 21:30.57 | KotCzarny | nvm, found it |
| 21:31.00 | AlbertoP_ | cool, will check it out .... |
| 21:31.03 | AlbertoP_ | thanks |
| 21:31.10 | AStorm | it is really more powerful than the doze version |
| 21:31.12 | pupnik | Returns: The LCD Panel or TV Clock setting in Hz |
| 21:31.16 | pupnik | UInt32 seClkGetPanelClk (void) |
| 21:31.23 | pupnik | wonder if we can access the lcd controller directly |
| 21:31.27 | pupnik | http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=38&Itemid=40 |
| 21:31.33 | AlbertoP_ | So far I have only nneded to send the BIN file to the 770 ... but will swithc then ;) |
| 21:31.38 | pupnik | http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=145&Itemid=40 |
| 21:32.48 | AStorm | elb: how large a diode would I likely need to prevent USB burn? ;> |
| 21:32.53 | AlbertoP_ | I hav not been able to find tcpdump nor btscanner for OS2006.... (eko1 repository is gone) ... ay other repositories with those packages or DEBs ? |
| 21:32.57 | AStorm | 5V/1A? |
| 21:33.10 | lopz | re |
| 21:33.15 | elb | AStorm: I don't understand the question ... what are you wanting to do with a diode, and why? |
| 21:33.30 | elb | you can't expect to pull more than 500mA off a USB bus safely, period |
| 21:33.33 | AStorm | connect USB port power to the nokia power |
| 21:33.35 | AStorm | I know |
| 21:33.43 | AStorm | that's enough for power circuitry of N810 |
| 21:34.04 | AStorm | it will struggle a bit, but work and charge correctly |
| 21:34.10 | KotCzarny | elb: many products break that rule |
| 21:34.17 | elb | KotCzarny: that doesn't make it safe, or a good idea |
| 21:34.18 | KotCzarny | mostly those charging related |
| 21:34.20 | AStorm | fairly advanced power regulator it has |
| 21:34.22 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 21:34.28 | AlbertoP_ | 770 charges at 890mA |
| 21:34.31 | KotCzarny | but some people will just do that |
| 21:34.36 | elb | that's fine, I won't ;-) |
| 21:34.41 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: nah, it can easily grab more |
| 21:34.47 | elb | and I don't understand what a diode is supposed to do with the price of cheese |
| 21:34.52 | KotCzarny | and then manufacturers see the trend |
| 21:34.52 | fysa | safe?? |
| 21:34.55 | AStorm | elb: I can put a regulator to not overdrive the port |
| 21:34.57 | fysa | nothing is going to explode. |
| 21:34.59 | KotCzarny | and hopefully fix the design |
| 21:35.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:35.04 | AlbertoP_ | I know, but is what the adapter is designed to give ... |
| 21:35.09 | AStorm | fysa: yeah, only the laptop can burn ;P |
| 21:35.10 | elb | fysa: you could damage the USB host adapter |
| 21:35.25 | fysa | have you damaged one personally? |
| 21:35.35 | KotCzarny | he avoids such risks |
| 21:35.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.37 | fysa | in the last 5 years? |
| 21:35.39 | AStorm | blah blah |
| 21:35.46 | AStorm | most have proper regulators |
| 21:35.48 | elb | no, and it may even be extremely unlikely -- there are a relatively small number of adapter manufacturers |
| 21:35.53 | elb | but that doesn't change the fact that you're violating spec |
| 21:35.55 | KotCzarny | so it should be a question for someone that actually did it |
| 21:35.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:36.00 | AStorm | elb: I can put a limiter |
| 21:36.04 | AStorm | no problem with that |
| 21:36.10 | KotCzarny | ie. pulled more than allowed current |
| 21:36.11 | elb | AStorm: go for it |
| 21:36.12 | AStorm | N810 *will* work on 500 mA |
| 21:36.17 | elb | just don't expect a diode to do that for you ;-) |
| 21:36.23 | fysa | it's not like USB was just released.. although non-standard, everyone is aware of this by now and I would take it as an exception to have a problem. |
| 21:36.25 | AStorm | diode was to prevent backflow |
| 21:36.27 | AlbertoP_ | If you really want to know the aperage rating of your personal IT, plug it through a normal 2A charger, and measure the current it is pulling out ..... |
| 21:36.39 | AStorm | to not destroy the USB if I connect power input ;P |
| 21:36.42 | lcuk | 500ma which usb supplies is under spec, but you can currently buy USB->Nokia Power adapter cable kits which work |
| 21:36.42 | AlbertoP_ | Then you know how much it is going to be asking of your USB port |
| 21:36.46 | elb | fysa: if everyone is aware of it, then all devices should pull no more than 500mA ;-) |
| 21:36.53 | AStorm | lcuk: exactly |
| 21:36.53 | ImMelody | has anyone else used the homewifilevel? |
| 21:37.40 | lcuk | the only problem i see with your method is that you are jacking onto the usb OTG port which will attempt to communicate with the host device and tell it it only needs 100ma max (which is the USB OTG spec) |
| 21:37.57 | AlbertoP_ | Well, that is just an average ... you need to test at maximum usage (brightest screen, wifi on, bluetooth on, etc .... |
| 21:37.59 | AStorm | lcuk: hmmhmm |
| 21:38.20 | AStorm | now that would be the problem |
| 21:38.23 | lcuk | i believe to prevent that you would need to disable your actual usb which would be folly |
| 21:38.29 | AStorm | and that's why I'm reading the spec |
| 21:38.40 | AStorm | lcuk: not folly, just simple |
| 21:38.45 | elb | in order to pull > 100mA you're *supposed* to negotiate |
| 21:38.48 | elb | (many devices do not) |
| 21:38.51 | AStorm | blah blah |
| 21:39.03 | AStorm | the spec says SHOULD |
| 21:39.04 | AStorm | :> |
| 21:39.08 | lcuk | the negotiation is part of the spec, no device can supply over 100ma until AFTER the negotiation |
| 21:39.08 | elb | actually, it says MUST |
| 21:39.09 | AStorm | guess what that means |
| 21:39.15 | AStorm | elb: let me check |
| 21:39.20 | AStorm | lcuk: ARGH |
| 21:39.27 | AlbertoP_ | That is what my motorola cell phone does to charge of the USB port (through miniUSB connector) |
| 21:39.31 | elb | lcuk: a lot of devices do, though |
| 21:39.51 | elb | it's easier to simply be prepared to push 500mA on every port, then to actually switch it |
| 21:39.58 | elb | still, I feel I should point it out :-) |
| 21:40.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:40.07 | AStorm | better to be prepared for 1A |
| 21:40.09 | AStorm | ;P |
| 21:40.12 | KotCzarny | or more |
| 21:40.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:40.20 | AStorm | some devices sure are power hungry |
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| 21:40.31 | AStorm | some take two ports |
| 21:40.33 | lcuk | of course you are prepared to do that, but if you do before its ready then you will fry anything which touches the port immediately |
| 21:40.43 | KotCzarny | i was happily running 1A hdd off my thinkpad usb port |
| 21:40.43 | elb | yes, normally devices which need much more than 500mA use more than one port |
| 21:40.47 | AStorm | lcuk: yeah sure |
| 21:41.04 | lcuk | the host device cannot assume 500ma directly because that would blow a lot of lesser devices |
| 21:41.11 | KotCzarny | and yes, it gets that much during spinning start |
| 21:41.12 | lcuk | i have a 100ma keyboard |
| 21:41.14 | AlbertoP_ | I hav not been able to find tcpdump nor btscanner for OS2006.... (eko1 repository is gone) ... ay other repositories with those packages or DEBs ? |
| 21:41.17 | AStorm | lcuk: it's autoregulating |
| 21:41.27 | AStorm | so if there is higher load, it will be given |
| 21:41.32 | elb | some devices refuse to charge unless they *can* negotiate |
| 21:41.33 | lcuk | yer, when the magic smoke appears the device stops pulling |
| 21:41.35 | elb | I think ipods do |
| 21:41.43 | elb | more devices should be so compliant :-P |
| 21:41.48 | AStorm | lcuk: rotfl |
| 21:41.51 | KotCzarny | al bertop: gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 21:41.56 | lcuk | correct elb, ipods cannot charge without intelligent device |
| 21:42.10 | AStorm | :-| |
| 21:42.19 | KotCzarny | computers operate on smoke |
| 21:42.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:42.21 | AStorm | I wonder what does that Nokia charger do |
| 21:42.32 | KotCzarny | once the smoke gets out they stop working |
| 21:42.32 | lcuk | that charger isnt a usb |
| 21:42.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:42.46 | lcuk | or are you on about another one |
| 21:42.49 | AStorm | lcuk: dummy, the USB charger |
| 21:42.56 | AlbertoP_ | KotCz..: thanks |
| 21:43.32 | AStorm | Stupid Nokia could've just built that in :> |
| 21:43.47 | elb | I suspect if the device drew <500mA, they would have |
| 21:43.51 | AStorm | but then they'd get complaints like "the device is barely charging" |
| 21:44.01 | lcuk | nahhh i would hate to have to open kickstand to charge, or unplug keyboard etc |
| 21:44.11 | lcuk | this isnt just a phone where you can just have possibly 1 connector |
| 21:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, no other Nokia device uses USB for charging. |
| 21:44.24 | KotCzarny | lcuk, not a problem if it was included in the place of the current charger port |
| 21:44.28 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: all new phones do ;P |
| 21:44.33 | lcuk | my phone does, but it is also a full sync etc |
| 21:44.34 | AStorm | Chinese now require that |
| 21:44.46 | lcuk | KotCzarny, 2 usb ports? |
| 21:44.48 | elb | I'm wondering if they just send AStorm extra crappy plugs or something |
| 21:44.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk, why 2? |
| 21:44.57 | elb | because I really don't see a way to break this one short of some serious effort |
| 21:44.57 | AlbertoP_ | A DIY kit, made out of three AA batteries with around 3000mAh should give charge to the IT replacing around four hours of outlet charge ..... and just carry around (on trips) the battery recharger ... (15minute one from Rayovac) |
| 21:45.10 | lcuk | because i would have to keep unplugging my memory stick or my keyboard or whatever was plugged in just to charge it |
| 21:45.16 | AStorm | elb: just horizontal force |
| 21:45.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:45.28 | AStorm | not too large, even |
| 21:45.35 | elb | yeah ... not seeing it |
| 21:45.38 | AStorm | rotational will do the same even quicker |
| 21:45.42 | KotCzarny | lcuk: ok, that's an argument |
| 21:45.44 | elb | I mean, I'm not goign to plug it into the tablet and smash down on it or anything |
| 21:45.49 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:45.53 | elb | but it's a relatively short lever and pretty well-built |
| 21:45.54 | AStorm | I didn't do that either |
| 21:46.01 | AStorm | that's why it fails |
| 21:46.03 | KotCzarny | though i don't use any usb devices withh IT n |
| 21:46.05 | AStorm | because it's short |
| 21:46.10 | KotCzarny | so 1 will be enough for me |
| 21:46.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.11 | lcuk | but its there for a reason |
| 21:46.16 | AlbertoP_ | Even easier, just take a couple wires directly from your laptop's battery and plug your tablet there ;):P |
| 21:46.30 | lcuk | i agree though kot, it should OPTIONALLY use usb for charging |
| 21:46.30 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: and fry it with 14.2V? |
| 21:46.34 | lcuk | ontop of the current chrager |
| 21:46.36 | AStorm | no, sorry |
| 21:46.39 | AlbertoP_ | zener diode ;) |
| 21:46.39 | elb | you think it would be stronger if it were *longer*? |
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| 21:46.54 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: and fry the diode or waste power? rotfl |
| 21:47.07 | AlbertoP_ | SCR ;):P |
| 21:47.08 | AlbertoP_ | hahaha |
| 21:47.21 | AStorm | just build a real step-down |
| 21:47.24 | lcuk | i would like to make an extended battery pack which basically extended the back by a few mm, it can have its own charging port wherever and be constantly plugged into nokia |
| 21:47.24 | elb | switching regulators are almost free |
| 21:47.29 | AlbertoP_ | I got an EE degree some thousand years ago, heheheh |
| 21:47.46 | AStorm | elb: exactly |
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| 21:48.11 | AStorm | lcuk: we were thinking about NiMH battery pack |
| 21:48.14 | lcuk | like this: >>> http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9713850-1.html |
| 21:48.15 | KotCzarny | lcuk, everything you need is to check what voltage is required for charging |
| 21:48.19 | AStorm | 4x NiMH |
| 21:48.27 | KotCzarny | ie. if it would work on anything lesser than 5V |
| 21:48.42 | AStorm | KotCzarny: 3,7V, d'oh |
| 21:48.44 | AStorm | it's on the battery |
| 21:48.57 | KotCzarny | astorm: but nokia has charging circuitry |
| 21:49.01 | AStorm | it has a smart charge circuit built in apparently |
| 21:49.04 | KotCzarny | it's not connected directly to battery |
| 21:49.08 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, the battery has inside |
| 21:49.09 | lcuk | if make up the voltage in series, ampage in parallel. just work out whats acceptable and fill the space |
| 21:49.33 | elb | NiMH AAs will provide *plenty* of amperage |
| 21:49.35 | KotCzarny | astorm: have you actually tried plugging anything other than original charger? |
| 21:49.56 | AlbertoP_ | ok, I amn going, thanks for the help ... bye |
| 21:50.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no :> |
| 21:50.07 | AStorm | I don't have a spare yet |
| 21:50.08 | KotCzarny | astorm: tell me when you do |
| 21:50.14 | AStorm | elb: sure |
| 21:50.14 | KotCzarny | right now we are speculating :) |
| 21:50.20 | lcuk | BBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT |
| 21:50.30 | KotCzarny | i would be interested in external battery pack too |
| 21:50.30 | AStorm | we just don't know if 4,8V will be enough |
| 21:50.35 | KotCzarny | 4x AA seems nice |
| 21:50.41 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:50.43 | elb | that, I of course can't tell you |
| 21:50.46 | KotCzarny | anyone with a broken plug ? |
| 21:50.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:50.49 | elb | but ... switching power supplies are almost free! ;-) |
| 21:50.52 | lcuk | theres plenty of those battery extender chargers around |
| 21:50.55 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I have one ;P |
| 21:51.05 | KotCzarny | astorm: care to try? |
| 21:51.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:51.06 | AStorm | lcuk: exactly, it must be simple |
| 21:51.15 | AStorm | KotCzarny: but it's broken in a wrong way :-( |
| 21:51.16 | gribouille | what good yexy editors are available for the tavblet ? |
| 21:51.27 | gribouille | text editors |
| 21:51.27 | KotCzarny | define 'photo' ? |
| 21:51.28 | AStorm | gribouille: text? like, vim? |
| 21:51.30 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 21:51.32 | KotCzarny | 'wrong' |
| 21:51.42 | AStorm | KotCzarny: it's the plug that's broken, not the cable |
| 21:51.50 | KotCzarny | grib: i believe there was an abiword port |
| 21:51.51 | lcuk | astorm, most devices will work under voltage. its just like a torch, if you replace normal AAs with rechargables you get a slightly dimmer light but it works |
| 21:51.58 | AStorm | KotCzarny: crashy like hell ;P |
| 21:52.05 | lcuk | just get clsoe enough to the voltage (keeping under) and try it |
| 21:52.07 | KotCzarny | astorm, but you can put it inside and silder wires to it? |
| 21:52.10 | AStorm | lcuk: let's hope so ;P |
| 21:52.22 | gribouille | AStorm, I dont find vim well adapted for the tablet because of all the commands that need a lot of typing |
| 21:52.23 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I smell sparks... ;P |
| 21:52.25 | KotCzarny | *solder |
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| 21:52.33 | lcuk | under voltage == so what it might not fire up. over voltage == danger area |
| 21:52.35 | AStorm | gribouille: not a lot, esp. not for N810 |
| 21:52.41 | AStorm | lcuk: exactly |
| 21:52.48 | AStorm | that's why 5x AA is risky |
| 21:52.49 | elb | I installed jed on my tablet |
| 21:52.55 | lcuk | agreed.. |
| 21:52.58 | AStorm | although 0,2V overvoltage is <10% |
| 21:52.58 | KotCzarny | i installed mcedit |
| 21:52.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:53.00 | elb | it works OK, although control sequences are a bit painful sometimes |
| 21:53.05 | AStorm | even 5% tolerance |
| 21:53.17 | lcuk | 4 is right, must dash, ive got sdl on the brain |
| 21:53.19 | AStorm | blah |
| 21:53.27 | gribouille | KotCzarny, from where ? |
| 21:53.29 | AStorm | 4,8V, have to test |
| 21:53.34 | KotCzarny | grib: internet, of course |
| 21:53.37 | elb | lcuk: well ... under voltage *can* mean it draws too much current, in the interest of full disclosure ;-) |
| 21:53.37 | AStorm | but first, I need a lot of spare plugs |
| 21:53.37 | KotCzarny | i haven't tried it |
| 21:53.45 | elb | (I doubt anything as sophisticated as the tablet would do so) |
| 21:53.51 | AStorm | elb: it can't possibly overdrive NiMH |
| 21:53.59 | elb | AStorm: oh, no, of course not |
| 21:54.06 | AStorm | it'd have to pull like 3A or so |
| 21:54.07 | KotCzarny | astorm: but control circuit can be too 'smart' |
| 21:54.23 | AStorm | KotCzarny: hehe, 4,8V is just 5% below |
| 21:54.24 | elb | are these Nokia plugs at all standard? |
| 21:54.31 | KotCzarny | in the way 'use only ORIGINAL charger and refuse to work with anything else |
| 21:54.40 | AStorm | elb: yes, they look very much like standard 6V |
| 21:54.56 | lcuk | ffs dont we have car chargers. elb go find a 4aa multichargers set somewhere and just try it |
| 21:55.03 | lcuk | astorm ^ |
| 21:55.06 | gribouille | anoother question : for file sharing, what is the best ? samba ? |
| 21:55.14 | lcuk | sneakernet |
| 21:55.21 | AStorm | lcuk: :> |
| 21:55.23 | KotCzarny | http |
| 21:55.24 | elb | I use scp |
| 21:55.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.27 | AStorm | gribouille: rsync |
| 21:55.35 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:55.37 | AStorm | sftp is fine too |
| 21:55.38 | lcuk | DC: |
| 21:55.42 | KotCzarny | i prefer sshfs |
| 21:55.45 | AStorm | nah, DC is junk |
| 21:55.54 | KotCzarny | 4 people 7 answers |
| 21:55.55 | KotCzarny | heehe |
| 21:56.00 | gribouille | KotCzarny, does it work well on the tablet ? |
| 21:56.09 | KotCzarny | grib: define 'it' |
| 21:56.17 | gribouille | sshfs |
| 21:56.21 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:56.28 | KotCzarny | both ways |
| 21:56.31 | KotCzarny | server/client |
| 21:56.54 | KotCzarny | for server you only have to install ssh-server and nothing else |
| 21:56.58 | lcuk | much more setting up though isnt it - dont most machines have samba? |
| 21:57.04 | KotCzarny | for client you have to get kernel module and some libs |
| 21:57.17 | KotCzarny | lcuk: none of mine ;) |
| 21:57.19 | AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_connector |
| 21:57.23 | AStorm | pick the one :> |
| 21:57.26 | lcuk | i agree, sshfs is nice, but i dont expect it everywhere |
| 21:57.32 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i do |
| 21:57.38 | gribouille | KotCzarny, I know, I already use sshfs |
| 21:57.41 | KotCzarny | openssh is ubitiquous |
| 21:58.04 | KotCzarny | even on m$ windows |
| 21:58.19 | KotCzarny | and compulsory on *nixish systems |
| 21:58.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:58.23 | lcuk | gahhhh!! those tamiya connectors were the bain of my life at one point |
| 21:58.39 | AStorm | the third on the left is the right one I think |
| 21:58.51 | lcuk | you are going off a PICTURE |
| 21:58.58 | lcuk | just get a voltmeter on it and be certain |
| 21:59.15 | lcuk | or pick up an LED or use your tongue or anything other than picking a picture |
| 21:59.43 | lcuk | i think its the 4th |
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| 22:00.07 | AStorm | ... |
| 22:00.12 | KotCzarny | only recently i made an observation that bigger plugs mean higher voltage |
| 22:00.13 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:00.14 | AStorm | 4th is larger, you fail |
| 22:00.42 | AStorm | or maybe... let me check |
| 22:01.06 | Joe_CoT | hey, I have a question about the n810. A friend of mine pointed out options for configuring GPRS / Data Call internet connections within the n810. That's only for use with a synced cell phone, correct? There's nothing built in to the n810 to handle it? |
| 22:01.20 | AStorm | might be 4th |
| 22:01.23 | AStorm | mhm |
| 22:01.36 | AStorm | Joe_CoT: yes |
| 22:01.37 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:01.41 | KotCzarny | it may be the 3rd |
| 22:01.48 | gribouille | KotCzarny, how do you unmount an sshfs filesystem ? |
| 22:01.50 | KotCzarny | because of the ring on the end of the plug |
| 22:01.56 | Joe_CoT | AStorm, ok, thanks. I wish it was otherwise, but I wanted to confirm with someone |
| 22:02.00 | lcuk | mine has a ring ;) |
| 22:02.01 | KotCzarny | grib: umount /some/mount/point |
| 22:02.46 | gribouille | KotCzarny, do I have to be root to do that ? |
| 22:02.49 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 22:03.23 | gribouille | that's strange : you don't have ti be root to mount, but you have to be root to unmount |
| 22:03.33 | KotCzarny | lcuk, also 3rd is all plastic at the end |
| 22:03.58 | KotCzarny | grib: what can i say, ask sshfs/fuse author |
| 22:03.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:04.09 | gribouille | sure |
| 22:04.18 | KotCzarny | at least it works as i want |
| 22:04.57 | gribouille | btw, is it possible to make small films with the tablet ? |
| 22:05.02 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 22:05.03 | AStorm | is it EIAJ-02 or EIAJ-03? |
| 22:05.48 | lcuk | gribouille, sure, dont see why not, just get your rolling pin out and keep rolling till its really thin |
| 22:05.59 | AStorm | yes, EIAJ-02 |
| 22:06.05 | AStorm | standard 6V plug |
| 22:07.23 | AStorm | nah, that one was 4mm |
| 22:08.44 | lcuk | http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_344303 |
| 22:10.50 | AStorm | tbh, it's 2.45 mm |
| 22:10.54 | AStorm | EIAJ-01 |
| 22:11.02 | AStorm | rated usually for 3V |
| 22:11.46 | AStorm | nah, I'm wrong again |
| 22:11.51 | AStorm | it's radio shack size B |
| 22:11.53 | AStorm | = EIAJ-02 |
| 22:11.59 | AStorm | 4mm x 1.7mm |
| 22:12.06 | AStorm | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102598&cp=2032058.2032231.2032284&parentPage=family |
| 22:12.27 | AStorm | this one looks much more sturdy than the flimsy ones used in chargers |
| 22:12.39 | lcuk | there is also |
| 22:12.40 | lcuk | http://www.energizer.eu/en/products/energi-go |
| 22:12.52 | KotCzarny | oh, it's available in radioshack stores? |
| 22:12.53 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 22:12.56 | AStorm | lcuk: anything that pushes 5V and can sustain 1A will do |
| 22:13.01 | KotCzarny | i have one few streets away |
| 22:13.08 | AStorm | KotCzarny: but there's no RadioShack in Poland, right? |
| 22:13.17 | lcuk | you still dont know the polarity |
| 22:13.25 | KotCzarny | astorm: i'm not in poland, right now :> |
| 22:13.29 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:13.41 | KotCzarny | lcuk: that's a 10s with multimeter |
| 22:13.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:14.05 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:14.07 | KotCzarny | it's yellow |
| 22:14.12 | KotCzarny | may be incompatible :> |
| 22:14.43 | lcuk | you would be better just getting a molded variation thats already configured for a phone - from a cheap adapter kit - that way you wont have a weak spot |
| 22:15.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: that is one |
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| 22:16.37 | KotCzarny | i wonder if there is straight angle one somewhere.. |
| 22:16.48 | AStorm | blah blah, might be wrong one thought |
| 22:16.51 | AStorm | *though |
| 22:17.00 | AStorm | http://www.accesscomms.com.au/reference/outputplugseiaj.htm |
| 22:17.16 | AStorm | 2,35mm diameter is more like the plug of N8x0 |
| 22:17.53 | lcuk | take your nokia with you to radioshack |
| 22:17.59 | KotCzarny | http://www.americanesuperstore.com/pcca-44.html |
| 22:17.59 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 22:18.02 | KotCzarny | it says '2mm |
| 22:18.13 | AStorm | because it is 2.35mm |
| 22:18.15 | AStorm | :-) |
| 22:18.15 | KotCzarny | so neither 2.35 nor 1.7 |
| 22:18.21 | AStorm | no, it's not exactly 2mm |
| 22:18.53 | AlbertoP_ | Me again .... I have downloaded flahser-3.0 (and 2.0) .. Anyone here knows how to use it to get an image (BIN file) out of the OS partition of the 770 ? (what parameter ?) |
| 22:20.07 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:20.19 | KotCzarny | most of the sites gives 2mm |
| 22:20.28 | KotCzarny | maybe it's really exact 2mm |
| 22:20.29 | AStorm | because it is 2.35mm ;P |
| 22:20.36 | AStorm | no, it's not, argue with my ruler |
| 22:20.53 | KotCzarny | your ruler is wrong |
| 22:20.57 | KotCzarny | fight the power! |
| 22:21.23 | KotCzarny | don't let the physics bound you! |
| 22:21.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:22.19 | AlbertoP_ | any ideas ? |
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| 22:22.27 | AStorm | 1.7mm |
| 22:22.29 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:22.49 | KotCzarny | astorm, now mister, changing the side? |
| 22:23.19 | AStorm | next time, I'll use the interferometer from the uni |
| 22:23.21 | AStorm | :> |
| 22:23.35 | AStorm | that will give you precision to some nanometers |
| 22:23.46 | KotCzarny | good |
| 22:23.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:25.04 | AlbertoP_ | :~( |
| 22:25.27 | KotCzarny | albertop: you have to find knowledgable 770 user |
| 22:27.08 | AlbertoP_ | is there a better place than this channel to find one ? |
| 22:27.39 | AStorm | ah, my mistake |
| 22:27.45 | AStorm | flasher can't read images :> |
| 22:28.01 | KotCzarny | albertop: itt ? |
| 22:28.41 | AlbertoP_ | AStorm .... are you serious ?? :~( |
| 22:28.47 | AStorm | just use a tarball |
| 22:28.53 | AStorm | it works just as well |
| 22:29.30 | AlbertoP_ | just Tarball the whole '/' filesystem ? |
| 22:29.48 | AlbertoP_ | What is "./flasher-3.0 --enable-usb-host-mode" for ? anyone ? |
| 22:29.56 | KotCzarny | for usb |
| 22:30.07 | AStorm | might work, might not |
| 22:30.19 | AStorm | and won't on N770, that's for sure |
| 22:30.24 | KotCzarny | astorm, only after mounting with --bind |
| 22:30.35 | KotCzarny | or telling tar to stay on one filesystem |
| 22:30.40 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: after mounting it somewhere else |
| 22:30.50 | AStorm | e.g. mount /dev/whatitscalled /mnt/tmp |
| 22:30.55 | AStorm | then cd /mnt/tmp |
| 22:31.07 | KotCzarny | astorm slightly wrong |
| 22:31.10 | AStorm | tar cpf . | nc somehost:8080 |
| 22:31.14 | AStorm | ;) |
| 22:31.20 | AStorm | wrong |
| 22:31.27 | AStorm | tar cp . | nc somehost:8080 |
| 22:31.39 | pupnik | wow i love it when i code a new algorithm and no syntax errors and it works |
| 22:31.44 | AStorm | KotCzarny: not wrong, it's actually correct |
| 22:31.45 | pupnik | that's like a christmas present |
| 22:31.54 | KotCzarny | astorm: you can't mount already mounted fs |
| 22:31.56 | AStorm | pupnik: code what? |
| 22:32.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: WRONG! |
| 22:32.03 | AStorm | you can |
| 22:32.08 | AStorm | see it yourself |
| 22:32.17 | KotCzarny | but that's wrong. |
| 22:32.17 | pupnik | a new timing algo. gets |
| 22:32.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.24 | AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's not |
| 22:32.28 | KotCzarny | yes it is |
| 22:32.34 | KotCzarny | unless you think about --bind |
| 22:32.38 | AStorm | no |
| 22:32.41 | AStorm | it doesn't bind |
| 22:32.51 | KotCzarny | then you're asking for problems |
| 22:32.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.53 | AStorm | it really mounts it, but 90% of FSes under linux allow it |
| 22:33.03 | AStorm | that's the same VFS, it manages the write |
| 22:33.19 | AlbertoP_ | What is the safest bet ? |
| 22:33.19 | AStorm | so, the write is done once |
| 22:33.21 | KotCzarny | with --bind, yes |
| 22:33.27 | KotCzarny | with separate mounts, i think not |
| 22:33.27 | AStorm | KotCzarny: also w/o bind |
| 22:33.28 | AStorm | :-) |
| 22:33.36 | KotCzarny | unless something has changed |
| 22:33.39 | AStorm | it's the VFS that does the writes |
| 22:33.43 | KotCzarny | since i last played with vfs |
| 22:33.43 | AStorm | and reads |
| 22:33.52 | AStorm | VFS is the / |
| 22:33.58 | AStorm | and everything below |
| 22:34.00 | AlbertoP_ | I just go on the shell to my MMC card and do a "tar -zcvf My770.tgz /" ? |
| 22:34.10 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: almost |
| 22:34.12 | AStorm | don't use -z |
| 22:34.16 | AStorm | and don't use - at all |
| 22:34.17 | AlbertoP_ | ok, no gzip .... |
| 22:34.21 | AStorm | and add p |
| 22:34.24 | KotCzarny | alberto, you should tell tar to stay on one file system |
| 22:34.26 | AStorm | (store permissions) |
| 22:34.32 | AlbertoP_ | "tar -pcvf --bind My770.tgz /" |
| 22:34.33 | AlbertoP_ | ? |
| 22:34.37 | AStorm | yes, but busybox tar is stupid |
| 22:34.45 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: did I say no - |
| 22:34.52 | AStorm | and no --bind, that's mount option |
| 22:34.53 | KotCzarny | you don't want to tar /sys and /proc |
| 22:34.54 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:35.04 | AlbertoP_ | hmmm ... |
| 22:35.20 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: mount /dev/whatever /mnt/tmp |
| 22:35.24 | AStorm | see, it works |
| 22:35.25 | KotCzarny | and few others |
| 22:35.30 | AlbertoP_ | should I better just tar different files for specific dirs under / ? (like etc, home, ....) ? |
| 22:35.31 | AStorm | for extra safety if you're paranoid |
| 22:35.34 | pupnik | Target FPS: 57 Average FPS: 56.985 |
| 22:35.36 | AStorm | mount -o ro /dev/whatever /mnt/tmp |
| 22:35.45 | AStorm | pupnik: whee |
| 22:35.53 | AStorm | close enough |
| 22:35.54 | KotCzarny | pupnik: what res? |
| 22:36.00 | AlbertoP_ | I don't understand what you are mounting ? the MMC ? |
| 22:36.05 | Grackle | What's pupnik working on? |
| 22:36.10 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: /dev/mmcblk4 or something |
| 22:36.12 | lcuk | pupnik, you about still |
| 22:36.15 | pupnik | trying to draw something smoothly |
| 22:36.17 | AStorm | the / filesystem |
| 22:36.19 | pupnik | yearh |
| 22:36.25 | lcuk | ahh yes :) |
| 22:36.28 | pupnik | lcuk i'm still putzing with the loop and delay |
| 22:36.40 | AStorm | events, I say |
| 22:36.41 | AStorm | :-) |
| 22:36.48 | lcuk | change the call to SDL_SetVideoMode to 0 bpp |
| 22:36.49 | AStorm | asynchronous drawing, I follow |
| 22:36.55 | KotCzarny | it's mtdblock4 |
| 22:36.56 | AStorm | lcdd: lol |
| 22:36.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:36.59 | AStorm | lcuk: |
| 22:37.04 | lcuk | you get a direct buffer without the SDL shadow surface :) |
| 22:37.06 | AStorm | lcdd: change that nick, damnit ;) |
| 22:37.13 | pupnik | 0_o |
| 22:37.14 | lcuk | doubles effective maximum |
| 22:37.14 | KotCzarny | tabuser :P |
| 22:37.30 | pupnik | no wai! |
| 22:37.32 | lcuk | and eases the cpu up |
| 22:37.35 | AStorm | lcuk: but introduces artifacts |
| 22:37.41 | AStorm | you lose double buffering |
| 22:37.53 | lcuk | using just the ioctl and no waiting with 8bpp=117fps with 0bpp=206fps |
| 22:37.54 | pupnik | AStorm: what double buffering |
| 22:38.03 | pupnik | hmmmm tryin |
| 22:38.07 | lcuk | there is an ioctl to wait until transfer complete |
| 22:38.16 | AStorm | pupnik: SDL does double-buf |
| 22:38.20 | lcuk | its not necessarily YOUR transfer, but it appears to remove the worst of it |
| 22:38.36 | AStorm | still, FPS > VSync is waste |
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| 22:38.55 | KotCzarny | astorm: good for benchamrking the code |
| 22:39.01 | lcuk | absolutely but writing in the middle is worst |
| 22:39.07 | lcuk | sending over half old frame and half new one |
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| 22:39.31 | lcuk | if you wait until its gone at least next time you draw on it its not in the middle of something else |
| 22:39.40 | lcuk | thats what it appears to be anyway |
| 22:40.00 | AStorm | there comes double buffering |
| 22:40.07 | AStorm | you draw in memory then do a synced flip |
| 22:40.14 | lcuk | but the flip isnt synced |
| 22:40.17 | lcuk | thats the problem |
| 22:40.27 | lcuk | it draws all over a buffer thats not quite taken |
| 22:40.32 | pupnik | AStorm: thanks, but sdl on the tablets has some quirks |
| 22:40.43 | lcuk | so the lcd takes it as its meant to do but sdl appears to spoil the party |
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| 22:41.03 | lcuk | thats my view anyway after digging through this evening |
| 22:41.16 | lcuk | i might be completely wrong but its a start |
| 22:41.32 | pupnik | thanks lcuk |
| 22:41.50 | Navi | Last.fm's being overloaded today |
| 22:41.52 | Navi | :< |
| 22:41.58 | lcuk | but anyway, time for a bath. im gonna keep at this because proper rgb may be benificial for later |
| 22:42.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:42.13 | KotCzarny | or yuv->rgb converter? |
| 22:42.19 | lcuk | IVA will work for that |
| 22:42.24 | lcuk | if i can get to it |
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| 22:42.37 | lcuk | most likely have to go through pvr first |
| 22:42.54 | KotCzarny | not going to happen atm |
| 22:42.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:43.01 | lcuk | time :) |
| 22:43.09 | KotCzarny | don't sink your tablet |
| 22:43.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:43.20 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:43.24 | lcuk | anyway, cyas later |
| 22:43.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:43.32 | AStorm | ;) |
| 22:43.56 | lcuk | and no1 even try asking how i got hold of the SDL_ShadowSurface the first time ;) |
| 22:44.11 | AStorm | :> |
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| 22:47.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:47.58 | KotCzarny | how have you got hold of the SDL_ShadowSurface the first time ? |
| 22:48.40 | pupnik | tests this |
| 22:49.10 | AStorm | KotCzarny: I suspect some mad hack |
| 22:49.13 | pupnik | lcuk: i still see the 'charging' popup when using bpp = 0 |
| 22:50.07 | pupnik | do i need any extra flags set? |
| 22:52.22 | AlbertoP_ | Ok, I am back (and a little bit slow) ... My / filesystem is /dev/mtdblock4. Now, I need to mount it somewhere ? Isn't it already monted in / ? |
| 22:55.52 | AlbertoP_ | ? |
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| 22:57.32 | pupnik | i dunno. follow the recipe |
| 22:57.36 | pupnik | @ AlbertoP_ |
| 22:59.49 | AlbertoP_ | pupnik: I am trying to find a way to make a full backup (on a 770) .... Something like getting a full (BIN) image of the OS partition (/) or something like that ...... |
| 23:00.21 | pupnik | are you following the howto clone rootfs recipe? |
| 23:00.22 | AlbertoP_ | AStorm and KotCzarny were recommending something using tar, but recommended mounting something and I didn't get it ... |
| 23:00.37 | AlbertoP_ | nop .. didn't know it existed ..... |
| 23:00.39 | AlbertoP_ | :O |
| 23:00.44 | KotCzarny | alberto, problem would be when restoring that backup |
| 23:00.58 | KotCzarny | as you would have to be in initfs or something |
| 23:01.15 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/ AlbertoP_ |
| 23:01.43 | AlbertoP_ | I want to be able to 1) flash my own BIN file or 2) flash the Nokia original BIN file and modifiy it with my "full backup", so I can have my machine back in 20 minutes if I mess it up .... |
| 23:02.35 | KotCzarny | booting off mmc is a nice way for it |
| 23:02.42 | KotCzarny | mmc is more readily available |
| 23:02.48 | KotCzarny | so you can backup/restore on pc |
| 23:02.49 | AlbertoP_ | pupnik: your recommnedation would be to have the OS on the MMC ? |
| 23:03.15 | AlbertoP_ | My MMC is the factory default (64MB) :( Would I be able to pull it off ? |
| 23:03.39 | AlbertoP_ | (I am in Colombia (Southamerica) and RS-MMCs are not easy to come by) |
| 23:03.52 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:03.57 | AStorm | AlbertoP_: you probably can use SD in there, right? |
| 23:04.05 | KotCzarny | how big is the internal flash in 770? |
| 23:04.17 | KotCzarny | assume sd card 2x of that |
| 23:04.20 | AStorm | I think 128M |
| 23:04.26 | KotCzarny | ah, 2x mmc |
| 23:04.27 | AlbertoP_ | yeap 128M |
| 23:04.58 | Navi | Modest hasn't been updated to fix the gmail issue yet? |
| 23:05.01 | KotCzarny | in the field of disk space n800 rulez :) |
| 23:05.11 | AStorm | Navi: not yet, just downgrade |
| 23:05.20 | Navi | Nah, too lazy |
| 23:06.15 | AlbertoP_ | :( |
| 23:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, pay attention. |
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| 23:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | You can compile it from svn if you want |
| 23:07.34 | Navi | to? |
| 23:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | .deb tomorrow. |
| 23:07.42 | Navi | k |
| 23:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | Blogs, the relevant thread. :P |
| 23:07.47 | Navi | Nah |
| 23:07.49 | Navi | too lazy |
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| 23:11.59 | pupnik | lcuk: still awake? |
| 23:12.06 | KotCzarny | he is all wet |
| 23:12.13 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 23:12.21 | pupnik | ok |
| 23:13.15 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4405 |
| 23:13.16 | KotCzarny | hehehehe |
| 23:13.23 | KotCzarny | You can purchase the 32 volume Britannica, which has 65,000 articles and 44 million words, for just $1,400. Or you can access it on the web for $70 per year. |
| 23:13.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 23:16.58 | pupnik | discovers that the eye is very damn sensitive to timing problems in horizontal scrolly |
| 23:17.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:17.17 | KotCzarny | just rotate it? |
| 23:17.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:17.38 | pupnik | Target FPS: 60 Average FPS: 59.998 |
| 23:17.42 | pupnik | still doesn't look smooth |
| 23:17.52 | KotCzarny | maybe the problem is something else |
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| 23:18.13 | pupnik | well i get strange occasional underruns |
| 23:18.25 | pupnik | where the app is slower than the target time |
| 23:18.43 | pupnik | which is strange cause app takes 0% cpu and xomap takes 3.3-4.0% cpu |
| 23:19.04 | KotCzarny | bandwidth limit? |
| 23:19.06 | pupnik | it should be spending a lot of time waiting |
| 23:19.13 | KotCzarny | interrupts? |
| 23:19.26 | pupnik | no 256x224 pix |
| 23:19.32 | pupnik | maybe watchdog? |
| 23:19.42 | pupnik | or something weird with lcd |
| 23:19.51 | KotCzarny | have you tried renicing the app? |
| 23:20.05 | pupnik | uh no |
| 23:20.15 | pupnik | googles |
| 23:20.34 | KotCzarny | nice -20 your_app |
| 23:20.47 | lcuk | ifyou are ondemand then this will occur often |
| 23:20.48 | KotCzarny | or if it's already running: renice -20 `pidof your_app` |
| 23:20.49 | pupnik | is there a .deb with 'nice'? |
| 23:20.54 | lcuk | if its performance its much rarer |
| 23:20.57 | KotCzarny | pupnik: it should be standard |
| 23:20.59 | lcuk | but im still soapy |
| 23:21.02 | pupnik | i have OMAPFB_SYNC_GFX |
| 23:21.08 | pupnik | i have no nice |
| 23:21.16 | KotCzarny | then just use renice |
| 23:21.26 | KotCzarny | or some call in c |
| 23:21.29 | pupnik | ooh duh i DO have renice |
| 23:22.08 | KotCzarny | -20 means: give my app all the priority you can |
| 23:22.15 | pupnik | ok makes no difference |
| 23:22.30 | pupnik | app is usleeping 90% of the time anyway |
| 23:22.50 | lcuk | if you moved this into your emulator it wouldnt sleep |
| 23:22.54 | KotCzarny | then it's some kind of interrupt |
| 23:22.56 | lcuk | just be busy running |
| 23:23.18 | lcuk | !damn you guys |
| 23:23.22 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 23:23.26 | lcuk | im goin gettin dried |
| 23:23.27 | pupnik | no! it does help! |
| 23:23.36 | pupnik | neat |
| 23:23.44 | KotCzarny | then you know it's some other app taking cpu from you |
| 23:23.48 | KotCzarny | at the bad time |
| 23:23.55 | KotCzarny | probably x itself |
| 23:23.55 | lcuk | how often pup |
| 23:23.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:23.59 | pupnik | well i gotta check |
| 23:24.03 | AStorm | pupnik: I sense scheduler unfairness |
| 23:24.07 | pupnik | once every 1-2 seconds |
| 23:24.15 | AStorm | you get pwnd because you're sleeping a lot |
| 23:24.17 | lcuk | i sense dont worry because you arent stressing the cpu yet |
| 23:24.21 | lcuk | its giving time to others |
| 23:24.29 | pupnik | ah interesting |
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| 23:24.37 | lcuk | check it in the proper thing |
| 23:24.53 | pupnik | adding debug code |
| 23:24.59 | KotCzarny | ok, it's my turn to get wet |
| 23:25.00 | KotCzarny | bbl |
| 23:26.35 | pupnik | yup renicing fixed the underruns mostly |
| 23:26.42 | pupnik | still getting some |
| 23:27.05 | AStorm | that's old scheduler messing up |
| 23:27.25 | AStorm | we need 2.6.23 (preferably something newer) on Nxxx |
| 23:27.39 | AStorm | or a nice clean backport of CFS to 2.6.21 |
| 23:28.19 | AStorm | that should really help the performance of the device |
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| 23:31.13 | pupnik | hrm |
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| 23:35.36 | gribouille | where can I find vnc server for maemo ? |
| 23:36.30 | AStorm | server? might be hard |
| 23:36.42 | gribouille | why ? |
| 23:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | x11vnc |
| 23:38.37 | GeneralAntilles | Google it. |
| 23:39.16 | AStorm | for Maemo? ;P |
| 23:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming you're not being facetious about the ITOS/maemo distinction (it isn't capitalized), then, yes: http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
| 23:43.26 | AStorm | N810? |
| 23:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | Click the link. <_< |
| 23:44.03 | AStorm | later, no N810 right now (no power source) |
| 23:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you need an N810 to get information from a website? |
| 23:44.30 | AStorm | I don't have hamster-powered power supply with that kind of plug |
| 23:44.35 | AStorm | I don't |
| 23:44.42 | AStorm | but I'll forget, so give it to me later :> |
| 23:53.28 | Tama^2 | LOL |
| 23:53.58 | Tama^2 | yeah, gotta go gimme the internets later pal U,u |
| 23:54.24 | unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: you told me that the downloadable maps will not work with maemo mapper 2.x. I got it to work. |
| 23:55.08 | unixSnob | http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/tablet/ <= the maps came from here |
| 23:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, those are for "Map" |
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| 23:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | Not Maemo Mapper |
| 23:56.41 | unixSnob | ah, i didn't realize there were two different apps in there |
| 23:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is a GPL mapping application that uses Google/Yahoo/Microsoft/Open Street maps. |
| 23:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | "Map" is basically the Navicore mapping application, except bundled. |
| 23:57.26 | unixSnob | hmm.. sounds like something I should look into |
| 23:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | They're significantly different. |
| 23:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | How'd you get "Map" -> Maemo Mapper? :P |
| 23:57.57 | trollasaurus | Which one is better ? I'm getting a Nokia N810 for work and I might like to use the GPS. |
| 23:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | They're two completely different beasts. |
| 23:58.14 | unixSnob | the bundled one just gave me a popup asking me to register, or run the trial |
| 23:58.26 | unixSnob | (if I want to navigate w/ it) |
| 23:59.00 | AStorm | btw, how do I get navigation to work in Maemo Mapper? |
| 23:59.05 | AStorm | unixSnob: exactly |
| 23:59.13 | AStorm | it's navicore all right, with all the expenses |
| 23:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | You get yourself a Bluetooth GPS, get a fix and download a route to somewhere. |
