| 00:00.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:00.31 | KotCzarny | btw. do you know that by default jffs2 is mounted without noatime? (i think) |
| 00:00.52 | KotCzarny | same for vfat partitions |
| 00:01.33 | derf | Really? I never even checked. |
| 00:01.33 | Mousey | ye godz |
| 00:01.41 | KotCzarny | derf: mount |grep noatime |
| 00:01.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:01.44 | derf | I simply assumed no one was that incompetent these days. |
| 00:01.47 | Mousey | so ext2, n800 SD cards? not out of the question? |
| 00:02.07 | KotCzarny | i will go with ext3 over ext2 |
| 00:02.18 | Mousey | ok, i rephraze |
| 00:02.23 | Mousey | so ext2/3, n800 SD cards? not out of the question? |
| 00:02.32 | KotCzarny | if you happen to crash you would be writing many times during fsck |
| 00:02.54 | KotCzarny | mousey: i'm running my os2008 on sd/ext3 |
| 00:02.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:03.04 | Mousey | thanks |
| 00:03.14 | Mousey | contemplates reformatting his miniSD card |
| 00:03.35 | KotCzarny | but ext2 is just a removed journal and corrected bootmenu entry |
| 00:03.52 | KotCzarny | bah, you can even use xfs or reiser i think |
| 00:04.07 | KotCzarny | as long you have added proper module to initfs |
| 00:05.49 | KotCzarny | i think nice addition would be some compressed fs |
| 00:06.23 | KotCzarny | 200mb jffs2 takes ~360mb on ext3 |
| 00:07.30 | Mousey | initfs! |
| 00:07.30 | Mousey | doh |
| 00:07.41 | Mousey | so is there mkinitfs or mkinitramfs? |
| 00:07.52 | Mousey | and wait, ext2/3 is a module? |
| 00:08.00 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:08.06 | KotCzarny | but it's available already |
| 00:08.07 | Mousey | rats on fire |
| 00:08.10 | KotCzarny | in stock initfs |
| 00:08.10 | Mousey | oh good |
| 00:08.11 | |thunder | No, format and go |
| 00:08.15 | Mousey | hurray! |
| 00:08.22 | Mousey | formats EVERYTHING |
| 00:08.27 | Mousey | ok, not really |
| 00:08.29 | KotCzarny | mousey: fgoogle for fanoush initfs |
| 00:08.47 | Mousey | KotCzarny: that dude is a fanatic |
| 00:08.48 | KotCzarny | it has some nice options |
| 00:08.55 | KotCzarny | as most of us |
| 00:08.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:09.01 | Mousey | guess there's that |
| 00:09.14 | Mousey | my big fear is i'll have a build environment for this thing one day |
| 00:11.40 | |thunder | Id like to get the sdk up |
| 00:11.53 | |thunder | And running |
| 00:11.59 | lcuk | on device? |
| 00:12.31 | Mousey | one day i'll CROSS COMPILE! |
| 00:12.32 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 00:13.05 | lcuk | one day (soon) ill write my own compiler and just compile what i see as i make it |
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| 00:16.40 | KotCzarny | and connect it directly to your neurons network? |
| 00:17.56 | lcuk | no, my fingers will make the connections |
| 00:18.07 | lcuk | touch is such an intuitive interface :) |
| 00:19.15 | NOCmadman | does anyone have a link to a current vmwarer image for scratchbox so i can tinker with stuff for the n800 |
| 00:19.20 | lcuk | the more i think about this tablet, the more i think it should be designed for touch |
| 00:19.35 | lcuk | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 00:19.38 | NOCmadman | i found a few diffrent ones just not sure whats current as things change so fast |
| 00:19.38 | KotCzarny | double sided touch? |
| 00:19.40 | NOCmadman | thank you |
| 00:19.56 | lcuk | no prob :) good luck with it |
| 00:20.35 | NOCmadman | i just wanna tinker with stuff without breaking my n800 i am hoping it makes things easier |
| 00:20.55 | KotCzarny | there are only 2 ways to break the n800 |
| 00:20.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:21.01 | KotCzarny | one is a physical |
| 00:21.11 | lcuk | 3 if you include urination |
| 00:21.11 | KotCzarny | second is breaking bootloader |
| 00:21.22 | KotCzarny | i count urination as physical |
| 00:21.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:21.40 | Mousey | is there a point to installing another window manager? |
| 00:21.49 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:21.54 | lcuk | if you want to treat the device as a desktop device it will be worth it |
| 00:21.55 | KotCzarny | but that's personal |
| 00:21.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:21.57 | Mousey | i'd like more traditional x11 behavior without nuking the box |
| 00:22.06 | KotCzarny | or if you just can't stand matchbox |
| 00:22.11 | lcuk | at this point i dont think there are any touch based win managers available are there? |
| 00:22.12 | NOCmadman | im afraid i may have already broken something as when i got it it would boot in about 7-10 seconds since i flashed it to newest version it now hangs on nokia splash screen for 15-20 seconds before it finishes booting |
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| 00:22.43 | lcuk | that could just be the newer operating system os2007 vs os2008? |
| 00:22.49 | NOCmadman | 2008 |
| 00:22.52 | lcuk | i never had the older one (ive got an 810) |
| 00:23.12 | lcuk | did it have '07 when you got it |
| 00:23.25 | NOCmadman | it had 08 on it when i got it but i had some power bug and could not power it on unless plugged in the flash fixed that but now takes 2x as long to boot |
| 00:23.52 | lcuk | ahhh dunno then, im still on the umm original? os2008? |
| 00:23.53 | Mousey | i wish matchbox was more flexible |
| 00:23.58 | lcuk | i know a newer one came out |
| 00:24.23 | KotCzarny | mousey: define 'flexible' |
| 00:24.28 | lcuk | anyway, not long left of this evening and much to do |
| 00:24.36 | lcuk | dives back into vmware |
| 00:24.45 | KotCzarny | waves farewell to lcuk |
| 00:25.10 | Mousey | like the menus on the side ONLY show 3 menus, only one of which i use [contacts? c'mon], and it's stuck on the left, can i put it on the right? i'm left handed.. also the fixed applet panel can't be moved or extended |
| 00:25.26 | KotCzarny | mouser: install personal menu |
| 00:25.33 | Mousey | and why are the applet and taskbar and menu panels all separate anyway? why not generic panels with a taskbar applet and a systray applet |
| 00:25.48 | KotCzarny | as for stuckiness, install rotation hack and just draw the menu to the side you want |
| 00:25.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:26.15 | Mousey | ok so there are workarounds, i'm just sayin matchbox could be more flexible and save me some memory/filesystem space |
| 00:26.25 | Mousey | imho |
| 00:26.58 | Mousey | ooo, whats navit |
| 00:27.42 | Mousey | in the meantime i'll have to look into rotation hack ^_^, is it related to xrandr? |
| 00:27.49 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:28.16 | Mousey | i discovered i can display remote X clients the other night, that's completely cool |
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| 00:36.20 | skibur | what is mmc-unionfs for n800? |
| 00:36.31 | skibur | is unionfs faster? |
| 00:36.38 | KotCzarny | tool to extend fs on another card |
| 00:36.48 | KotCzarny | (or device) |
| 00:36.48 | skibur | o ok |
| 00:36.52 | skibur | dangerous |
| 00:36.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
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| 00:36.57 | KotCzarny | useful |
| 00:37.07 | KotCzarny | it's already used by knoppix i think |
| 00:37.11 | KotCzarny | for a long time |
| 00:37.50 | skibur | will it destory N800? |
| 00:37.52 | lcdd | unionfs is pretty cool |
| 00:38.09 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 00:38.21 | KotCzarny | ok, back to ff8 |
| 00:38.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:39.13 | skibur | I C, its used on Live CD |
| 00:39.15 | skibur | :P |
| 00:39.24 | skibur | sorry about the shift |
| 00:40.58 | Mousey | ah ha! |
| 00:41.04 | Mousey | unionfs! |
| 00:41.11 | Mousey | in lieu of LVM |
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| 00:41.21 | Mousey | wants his n800 all the more now |
| 00:42.04 | jga23_ | is there any way to get the w32 binary codecs on the n810? |
| 00:42.15 | KotCzarny | jga23: nope |
| 00:42.31 | KotCzarny | not in practical way |
| 00:42.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:42.33 | texel | jga23: unfortunately, the w32 binary codecs are compiled for Intel little-endian CPUs. |
| 00:42.48 | texel | You can't run that code directly on the OMAP inside the ITs. |
| 00:43.02 | jga23 | ahh, ok, bummer |
| 00:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think I've ever heard them described that way, texel. :P |
| 00:43.06 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:43.28 | KotCzarny | i wonder if arm included third core based on x86 instructions (even old ones as in p2) |
| 00:43.29 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 00:43.34 | texel | GeneralAntilles: well, I can't exactly state every single CPU line they've made for desktops... =op |
| 00:43.56 | texel | Though I probably could have just said "x86" and left it at that. =op |
| 00:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | ^ ;) |
| 00:44.06 | KotCzarny | texel: arm used in IT is little endian too |
| 00:44.06 | texel | Hehehe |
| 00:44.19 | texel | Ah. Okay, so I was somewhat inaccurate. |
| 00:44.34 | texel | But the point is still true: the opcodes are considerably different. |
| 00:44.38 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:44.44 | GeneralAntilles | The endianness is probably the least important part of the incompatibilities. :D |
| 00:44.49 | texel | Yeah. =op |
| 00:44.54 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 00:45.05 | KotCzarny | endiannes is a b*ch when porting bad software |
| 00:45.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:45.14 | texel | KotCzarny: but can easily be translated. |
| 00:45.23 | texel | Opcode styles, not so much. =op |
| 00:45.25 | KotCzarny | texel: ever heard about hidden bugs? |
| 00:45.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:45.30 | KotCzarny | and bad coding style? |
| 00:45.31 | KotCzarny | (; |
| 00:45.44 | texel | shrugs |
| 00:46.05 | KotCzarny | 'hey, i wonder what that piece of code does' |
| 00:46.38 | KotCzarny | and after it turns out it's used in more than one place every change could be bug inducing |
| 00:46.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:49.05 | Mousey | sounds like windows coding |
| 00:49.28 | KotCzarny | m$ windows has it's own problems |
| 00:49.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:51.03 | Mousey | installs too many repos and angers his tablet |
| 00:51.49 | KotCzarny | install a perfect os, clone, then break cloned one as many times as you want |
| 00:51.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:52.07 | Mousey | maybe i _should_ be looking at your clone script |
| 00:52.30 | KotCzarny | let me know if you need link |
| 00:53.38 | Mousey | sure, i'll bite |
| 00:53.55 | Mousey | bites |
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| 00:55.17 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/clone.sh |
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| 01:14.18 | gribouille | does flash work well with OS 2008 ? |
| 01:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Well enough. |
| 01:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | YouTube works. |
| 01:14.43 | gribouille | and google maps ? |
| 01:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's not perfect, but you don't get perfect with a 400MHz ARM. ;) |
| 01:14.50 | GeneralAntilles | Google maps is AJAX |
| 01:14.55 | KotCzarny | use maemo mapper |
| 01:15.08 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, and does it work too ? |
| 01:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | AJAX performance isn't great on the old Gecko snapshot MicroB is using now. |
| 01:15.16 | GeneralAntilles | It works |
| 01:15.19 | GeneralAntilles | but it's a little slow |
| 01:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | should be a lot faster in Diablo. |
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| 01:15.38 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, what's that Diablo ? |
| 01:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | maemo 4.1 |
| 01:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | Next OS2008 release. |
| 01:16.28 | lcuk | if you believe the hype its the lost city of gold |
| 01:16.34 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, wgen will it be released ? |
| 01:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | "Q2 2008" |
| 01:16.43 | GeneralAntilles | What hype, lcuk? |
| 01:17.57 | lcuk | the general buzz :) i believe a lot of very talented people are working towards this and will make really good improvements :) |
| 01:17.58 | gribouille | do the N800 and N810 work well or not ? |
| 01:18.09 | lcuk | for me yes |
| 01:18.18 | lcuk | its our house computer |
| 01:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | gribouille, nobody can answer that question for you. |
| 01:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | I absolutely love my tablets |
| 01:18.42 | gribouille | I ask this question because the N800 doesn't seem very robust to me |
| 01:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | "robust"? |
| 01:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | They're basically perfect for my purposes. |
| 01:18.55 | KotCzarny | heh.. expectations |
| 01:19.02 | lcuk | its almost never out of use with people surfing the web (slow == better than none), playing games or developing on it |
| 01:19.10 | KotCzarny | grib: you have to know what you're gonna use it for |
| 01:19.15 | KotCzarny | (or any other device) |
| 01:19.23 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, for some reason, google maps doesn't work anymore on my N800 |
| 01:19.33 | KotCzarny | grib: use maemo-mapper |
| 01:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | What are you running? |
| 01:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | Opera on OS2007? |
| 01:19.58 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, no, I upgraded to OS 2008 |
| 01:20.21 | gribouille | KotCzarny, but I want to see satellite photograps too |
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| 01:20.31 | KotCzarny | grib: and? just change map source |
| 01:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | gribouille, Maemo Mapper |
| 01:20.33 | KotCzarny | doh! |
| 01:21.08 | gribouille | ok, I'll see |
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| 01:22.23 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, my dad won't get anything like this, hes looking at a gps mapper which contains proper ordinance survey map regions of the uk. |
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| 01:22.26 | lcuk | -GeneralAntilles lol |
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| 01:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | ur dad sux! |
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| 01:22.42 | gribouille | is r&d mode really useful ? |
| 01:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you need it? |
| 01:22.43 | lcuk | no hes not, but hes miffed - each map of a small area is about £30 |
| 01:22.48 | gribouille | for root access |
| 01:22.58 | lcuk | whats r&d mode? |
| 01:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | Effectively, a normal user get root access without any 3rd party stuff and no power button delay. |
| 01:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | Not much useful |
| 01:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | Just install easyroot. |
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| 01:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, the best recommendation is to use it however is convenient for you. |
| 01:28.05 | KotCzarny | (for battery life) |
| 01:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | Just avoid discharging it down to zero as much as possible. |
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| 01:28.31 | lcuk | gribouille, just make sure the battery is charged before flashing. it is the most important and potentially risk operation you can perform with your device. do not waver from the instructions |
| 01:32.14 | |thunder | Jst plug her in |
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| 01:37.08 | |thunder | Thats what i do, turn device off, plug into usb, start flasher3 on ubuntu then plug in to start flash process |
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| 01:37.30 | Hrw | hi |
| 01:37.36 | |thunder | Word |
| 01:37.40 | gribouille | |thunder, that's exactly what I did ;-) |
| 01:37.53 | |thunder | Thats the best way |
| 01:38.27 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 01:38.35 | KotCzarny | i just used mtdtools |
| 01:38.42 | KotCzarny | no usb, no holding buttons |
| 01:38.44 | KotCzarny | no magic |
| 01:38.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:38.54 | KotCzarny | THAT's the best way |
| 01:38.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:39.22 | Hrw | KotCzarny: kernel update? |
| 01:39.26 | KotCzarny | too |
| 01:40.24 | |thunder | Im not familiar with that. Usb from ubuntu is ro k solid easy |
| 01:40.40 | KotCzarny | yes, whatever works for you |
| 01:40.49 | KotCzarny | just don't tell that it's the only way |
| 01:40.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:40.50 | gribouille | btw, is java available ? |
| 01:41.08 | GeneralAntilles | See Jalimo, gribouille. |
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| 01:44.25 | |thunder | Jalimo, has browser pluginn ?? |
| 01:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 01:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | Should be able to run most applets from xterm, though. |
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| 01:47.17 | |thunder | That'd be hot if someone wrote an app that loaded jvm for cellphone games on one half of the screen and had an onscreen key pad on the left that modeled the layout of a cell phone. |
| 01:47.54 | |thunder | To play the millions of games for cell phones |
| 01:48.54 | lcuk | but i can do that already? |
| 01:49.16 | Hrw | KotCzarny: is there a way to enable r&d without using flasher tool? |
| 01:49.17 | KotCzarny | and more |
| 01:49.25 | KotCzarny | hrw: yes, it's the only way |
| 01:49.29 | Hrw | ok |
| 01:49.30 | KotCzarny | though, i never used it |
| 01:49.35 | KotCzarny | never needed it |
| 01:49.52 | Hrw | i need to enable it for n800 emu |
| 01:50.10 | unixSnob | how do you folks access a samba share from a NIT file manager? |
| 01:50.27 | Hrw | due to standard lack of sources/infos |
| 01:50.51 | Hrw | unixSnob: normally - via using sylus or keyboard |
| 01:50.56 | termsig | unixSnob: u need install soft |
| 01:51.48 | unixSnob | termsig: which app? |
| 01:52.44 | termsig | what os u using? |
| 01:53.32 | Hrw | os2008 has it done. most apps do not get it anyway |
| 01:55.16 | termsig | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php and look for mount.. |
| 01:55.27 | |thunder | lcuk: you how do you play cell phone games? |
| 01:55.46 | lcuk | on my cell phone. its in my pocket more than my 810 |
| 01:56.42 | |thunder | Lol, i want them on my 800 with onscreen kb |
| 01:57.06 | |thunder | Not the hildon one though. |
| 01:57.12 | lcuk | i want real new interesting games designed for touch :) |
| 01:57.36 | lcuk | have you played with numptyphysics? |
| 01:57.41 | |thunder | Numpty is nice |
| 01:58.01 | |thunder | I like making trebuchets |
| 01:58.03 | lcuk | it feels good to do real things and get real interaction |
| 01:58.23 | lcuk | we need more :) |
| 01:58.47 | |thunder | Can you all beat all the levels ? |
| 01:58.56 | lcuk | yes |
| 01:59.12 | |thunder | Find a swf games called squares |
| 01:59.26 | lcuk | flash is not smooth |
| 01:59.28 | |thunder | Google : squares filetype:swf |
| 01:59.36 | lcuk | (numpty isnt but its close enough) |
| 01:59.41 | |thunder | This game is |
| 02:00.46 | |thunder | Squares2 |
| 02:01.49 | termsig | guys anyone know good bluetooth modem for n810 with good battery? i want using it with UK "Three" mobile broadband. |
| 02:02.32 | |thunder | No idea |
| 02:02.46 | unixSnob | sorry i was AFK. I'm using OS2008, and did not see a way to mount a samba share in the file manager |
| 02:03.22 | lcuk | thunder, that game looks wicked on big screen, and can see why it may be nice on device - ill try it tomorrow |
| 02:03.39 | lcuk | thx for hint :) if its smooth enough i might just change my mind a little about flash |
| 02:03.47 | termsig | unixSnob: i said, look on that site.. |
| 02:04.37 | unixSnob | k, thanks |
| 02:05.11 | Hrw | unixSnob: there is no way to mount them in FM. it only browse them |
| 02:05.54 | unixSnob | well, browsing is fine for me too |
| 02:06.45 | Hrw | mounting would be nice too - I have lot of music on one share.. |
| 02:08.30 | unixSnob | termsig: i searched that page for "mount" nothing came up.. not sure which app you're talking about |
| 02:09.40 | unixSnob | hrw seemed to say browsing samba shares is possible w/ the stock apps, but i don't see how |
| 02:11.57 | |thunder | Its east, just start file manager and itll pop up if available |
| 02:12.34 | |thunder | lcuk: that game owns on n800 |
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| 02:14.34 | unixSnob | that's a bummer.. my samba shares are not discoverable on some of my platforms |
| 02:14.51 | unixSnob | i hate to rely on discovery |
| 02:15.25 | johnx | there are fuse and smbnetfs packages floating around |
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| 02:28.25 | |thunder | See if you can add them to fstab |
| 02:29.04 | |thunder | Ohh,, i guess that would requirw smbnetfs |
| 02:30.06 | johnx | or smbmount |
| 02:30.13 | johnx | and smbfs.ko |
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| 02:58.24 | unixSnob | here's a pretty good demo of pro-clips w/ the NIT => http://youtube.com/watch?v=jVemmhhFbEA&feature=related |
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| 03:41.33 | WormFood | It would be soooo nice if I could get a version of "anki" for maemo |
| 03:41.55 | WormFood | unfortunately it is written for kde :( |
| 03:42.09 | WormFood | does anyone know if that program has been ported to maemo yet? |
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| 03:43.47 | liquid217 | WormFood: have you tried it under Garnet VM? http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ |
| 03:44.27 | WormFood | I don't even know what that is |
| 03:44.30 | Navi | Any screenshots of garnetvm on the N800 in action? |
| 03:44.32 | WormFood | looks at the url |
| 03:44.40 | Mousey | Navi: i had it working on my n810 |
| 03:44.50 | Navi | No screenies? |
| 03:45.00 | Mousey | it looks like a palm |
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| 03:45.28 | WormFood | weee...that was fun |
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| 03:46.00 | WormFood | can I ride the net split again? |
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| 03:46.25 | Mousey | Navi: if i can install it, anybody can |
| 03:46.25 | WormFood | I fail to see how GVM will allow me to run "Anki" |
| 03:46.26 | Navi | Mousey, I'm too lazy. |
| 03:46.26 | Mousey | =P |
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| 03:46.26 | Mousey | well if i install it again i'll take pictures ;) |
| 03:46.47 | liquid217 | WormFood: i assumed that this was the 'anki' you referred to http://www.anki.com/ |
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| 03:47.57 | WormFood | different program, but same function |
| 03:49.44 | WormFood | http://ichi2.net/anki/ this is what I was talking about |
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| 03:50.46 | WormFood | thanks liquid217, I'll try to check it out later (no time right now, I'm at work) |
| 03:51.23 | WormFood | does GVM need ROMs? |
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| 03:52.03 | WormFood | sighs |
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| 03:52.14 | WormFood | does anyone have a download url for it, without having to signup? |
| 03:52.45 | liquid217 | honestly, im not sure on garnet vm, on either question. I just know its available |
| 03:52.53 | mbuf | inotify-tools is available for maemo? |
| 03:59.19 | liquid217 | WormFood: just tried compiling anki in scratchbox with mudbuilder. It looks like it has a ton of dependencies though. |
| 03:59.33 | WormFood | yes |
| 03:59.52 | WormFood | I installed it under debian, and it wanted to download about 160 meg of kde crap |
| 04:00.09 | liquid217 | wow |
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| 04:05.30 | WormFood | I'm going to lunch (really breakfast for me)....see you guys later |
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| 04:06.47 | Ziegler | I lost adobe flash on my nit... After dosbox install possibly |
| 04:06.57 | Ziegler | Any thoughts |
| 04:07.00 | Ziegler | ? |
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| 05:51.25 | RST38h | http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359497_bus18.html?source=rss |
| 05:51.29 | RST38h | Priceless. |
| 05:53.40 | Mousey | that, good sir, is an idiot |
| 05:55.50 | RST38h | There are also a GPS unit and ~15 screaming schoolgirls present in the picture. |
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| 05:56.15 | RST38h | The driver is probably deaf now. |
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| 06:09.33 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi ! |
| 06:15.55 | Khertan_on_n810 | GeneralAntilles > there was an error in timer of home applet :) |
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| 06:29.35 | Khertan_on_n810 | bye |
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| 06:34.59 | lopz | night |
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| 07:45.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:37.06 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:37.48 | qwerty12 | hrw, morning. I know the n800 emulation is broken but is there any way to "modify" the config.mtd? |
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| 08:47.49 | hrw | enable r&d? |
| 08:48.01 | hrw | and blame nokia ;) |
| 08:48.20 | hrw | problem is based on battery reading |
| 08:48.43 | hrw | initfs checks battery and do not boot if there is no such one. but battery support is closed |
| 08:49.08 | hrw | btw - n800 emulation is (C) Nokia |
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| 09:42.27 | pupnik | thx for that correction s/application manager/dpkg GeneralAntilles |
| 09:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, sure. |
| 09:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | One spot among a thousand where we can't entirely blame Nokia. :D |
| 09:43.45 | pupnik | BLEH i say. I suppose it's not 'worth doing' but it'd be ~nice~ if we could install from file and get dependencies |
| 09:44.17 | pupnik | On the other hand, it'd be nice if I started finishing up packages and submitted to extras |
| 09:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's Debian behavior |
| 09:44.23 | pupnik | ok |
| 09:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure they have a rationale for it. |
| 09:44.36 | pupnik | gtg -- bbl |
| 09:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Later |
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| 10:16.21 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta for the plug |
| 10:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | I plug things I like. :D |
| 10:18.03 | Jaffa | :) |
| 10:18.29 | Jaffa | Maybe I'll be superfluous when the N900 gets released, but I'm sure I can find something else to do :) |
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| 10:19.04 | jott | t, dass Sie an DealExtreme bezahlt haben.$21,43 USD mit PayPal bezahlt haben. |
| 10:19.05 | jott | Der Wechselkurs für diesen Einkauf beträgt 1 EUR = 1,55276USD |
| 10:19.08 | jott | oops |
| 10:19.09 | jott | :) |
| 10:19.12 | jott | hehe |
| 10:20.06 | Cptnodegard | euro, dollar, pound... all shit low atm |
| 10:20.21 | Cptnodegard | seems like the entire world is going to hell except us |
| 10:20.52 | Jaffa | Us == ? |
| 10:20.56 | Cptnodegard | norway |
| 10:21.13 | Cptnodegard | since every other currency is low compared to NOK |
| 10:21.30 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno, 1080p is becoming more popular |
| 10:21.40 | GeneralAntilles | You could always transcode that to whatever works for it. :D |
| 10:21.53 | Veggen | nah, euro has been pretty stable, hasn't it? |
| 10:21.59 | Cptnodegard | no |
| 10:22.08 | Cptnodegard | unde 8NOK :p |
| 10:22.09 | jott | Cptnodegard: on the other hand most of the things in NO are expensive :) |
| 10:22.24 | Veggen | not compared to NOK, but that's because NOK has risen. |
| 10:22.38 | Cptnodegard | exactly my point |
| 10:22.55 | Cptnodegard | ah is ee what you mean |
| 10:23.01 | Veggen | Cptnodegard: It has been "around" 8 for quite a while, I'd call that pretty stable. |
| 10:23.11 | Cptnodegard | indeed |
| 10:23.23 | Cptnodegard | GBP was 9.76 last i checked o0 |
| 10:24.12 | Cptnodegard | risen again today...9.99 |
| 10:24.41 | Cptnodegard | usd too... 5.00 |
| 10:25.30 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 10:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | My maemo shirt is finally coming. |
| 10:25.41 | Cptnodegard | from? |
| 10:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Browser team. |
| 10:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | For bugzilla. |
| 10:26.51 | jott | "i reported 100 bugs and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" is indeed true!? |
| 10:27.01 | Cptnodegard | lmao |
| 10:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 10:34.36 | hrw | Cptnodegard: PLN is also rising |
| 10:34.43 | hrw | Cptnodegard: compared to EUR/USD/GBP |
| 10:34.49 | Cptnodegard | poland? |
| 10:35.23 | hrw | yes |
| 10:35.50 | hrw | and NOK is losing to PLN since October |
| 10:36.07 | Cptnodegard | you should get USD's :D |
| 10:36.14 | Cptnodegard | and hope theyll eventually go up |
| 10:38.15 | hrw | Cptnodegard: http://wykresy2.onet.pl/dane/biznes/81704,NN,16,1Y,1,waluty_wykres.gif |
| 10:38.57 | Cptnodegard | thats compared to pln? |
| 10:39.00 | hrw | yes |
| 10:39.06 | Cptnodegard | nice |
| 10:39.26 | Cptnodegard | not much you can do about it then, but that means you get even more on gbp/eur/usd than we do |
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| 10:44.25 | Cptnodegard | i want to get another 16GB card now that the usd is so low |
| 10:44.29 | Cptnodegard | they cost 60 bucksin the us |
| 10:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 10:52.24 | hrw | 60? |
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| 10:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 |
| 10:53.32 | sarower | i want to program in opengl in maemo |
| 10:53.42 | Veggen | no, you don't. |
| 10:53.43 | sarower | any body there to help? |
| 10:53.46 | Veggen | :) |
| 10:53.46 | Cptnodegard | i got one of those but i use it for my MP3 players |
| 10:53.50 | Cptnodegard | *-s |
| 10:54.04 | sarower | <Veggen: You are telling me..! |
| 10:54.10 | Cptnodegard | no bodies here. we burried them |
| 10:54.35 | Veggen | sarower: There's no good opengl support in Xomap, right? |
| 10:54.41 | sarower | that i can not program in open gl in maemo? |
| 10:54.43 | hrw | sarower: you do not want opengl on nokia tablets |
| 10:54.48 | hrw | sarower: trust us |
| 10:55.03 | hrw | sarower: there is no HW acceleration available |
| 10:55.07 | sarower | Yah we trust you very much... |
| 10:55.38 | Cptnodegard | [12:55] <sarower> Yah we trust you very much... <- Maemo Famous Last Words? |
| 10:55.38 | sarower | but i think there is a way to program in open gl for maemo! |
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| 10:55.55 | Ivanovic | hiho |
| 10:56.02 | inz | sarower, Sure there is, but software rendering is slow |
| 10:56.11 | hrw | sarower: ok - if you like animations counted in SPF instead of FPS... |
| 10:56.17 | hrw | SecondsPerFrame |
| 10:56.28 | inz | sarower, just compile software mesa for yourself and go knock yourself out |
| 10:57.50 | sarower | inz: Slow is no matter.. |
| 10:58.10 | sarower | I have to just implement.. in c++/C |
| 10:58.15 | sarower | INZ! |
| 10:58.16 | inz | sarower, what about unreasonably slow? |
| 10:58.41 | sarower | I have to just learn the process....... |
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| 10:58.49 | sarower | i want to learn just.. |
| 10:58.53 | sarower | INZ! |
| 10:59.25 | inz | sarower, with that attitude, i doubt you'll get any help |
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| 10:59.51 | sarower | Inz: hmm......... right you are.... |
| 11:00.03 | sarower | But what can be done Inz? |
| 11:00.10 | hrw | sarower: then write opengl app for your desktop |
| 11:00.18 | sarower | Then...? |
| 11:00.24 | hrw | it will be working and you will not get frustrated |
| 11:00.29 | sarower | Will it run in N800? |
| 11:00.32 | hrw | 18 13:06 < sarower> i want to learn just.. |
| 11:00.34 | sarower | or the device? |
| 11:00.36 | sarower | inz? |
| 11:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | ror |
| 11:00.58 | hrw | sarower: did not I said that nokia tablets *LACK* Hw acceleration of opengl? |
| 11:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | s/r/l/g |
| 11:01.09 | inz | sarower, as I said, mesa has a fairly decent software opengl renderer, but it will be sslllllllloooooowwwwwwwwwww |
| 11:01.18 | Veggen | sarower: you'll need to recompile it, etc. And you probably need to compile mesa (software openGL) yourself, because noone else sees the need :) |
| 11:01.38 | sarower | hmmmmmmmmm |
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| 11:02.44 | Ivanovic | is anyone from the mplayer port around? |
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| 11:03.00 | Ivanovic | i would like to know the configure options used to build the "official" binary of the port |
| 11:03.55 | Veggen | mm, wouldn't we all wish that people just had proper source repositories? :) |
| 11:04.12 | Veggen | (so one could download source package and find out, in a consistent way) |
| 11:04.20 | sarower | inz: Actually do you know the detail processs of how i can use the "Mesa" in mameo?? |
| 11:04.36 | sarower | even if it is sssslllllllllllllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 11:04.37 | inz | sarower, the samy way you would use GL libraries on desktop |
| 11:05.07 | inz | Veggen, mplayer source (or diff to 1.0rc1) is on extras |
| 11:05.15 | sarower | hmmmmm......... Ok than you very much! |
| 11:05.20 | sarower | INZ! |
| 11:05.26 | inz | Please stop shouting |
| 11:05.28 | sarower | Thank you |
| 11:05.30 | sarower | ! |
| 11:06.02 | sarower | Inz: Dont tell like this plz! |
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| 11:30.09 | jeddy3 | is ashamed of living in sweden today |
| 11:30.23 | qwerty12 | How come? |
| 11:30.36 | Cptnodegard | they want to tax mmorpg |
| 11:30.44 | qwerty12 | Serious? |
| 11:30.48 | Cptnodegard | yes |
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| 11:30.57 | jeddy3 | Cptnodegard, no, not that :) |
| 11:31.09 | Cptnodegard | lol what else did they do? |
| 11:31.16 | jeddy3 | i was thinking of the piratebay-court-mess |
| 11:31.24 | Cptnodegard | ? |
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| 11:31.29 | qwerty12 | Arr, pirates ftw |
| 11:31.40 | kaatis | arr yeah |
| 11:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yarrr, off the plank with ye lubbers! |
| 11:32.07 | X-Fade | looks at calendar. |
| 11:32.18 | GeneralAntilles | Every day is ITLAPD |
| 11:32.23 | X-Fade | No, it doesn't seem to be 'talk like a pirate' day.. |
| 11:32.27 | jeddy3 | hmmm, how can i put this...the police that led the investigation against the piratebay, is as of today, hired by warned brothers |
| 11:32.38 | Cptnodegard | lmao |
| 11:32.51 | qwerty12 | eek that is an embarrassing :P |
| 11:33.01 | qwerty12 | and so is my sentence >.< |
| 11:33.06 | jeddy3 | and above it all, the prosecutor sees "no problem" about him continuing to be used in the trials, eventhough he is hired by one part |
| 11:33.39 | cy3o3 | Man, canola is really starting to become my friend |
| 11:33.45 | cy3o3 | sup guys |
| 11:33.57 | cy3o3 | any word on maemo mapper working with the internal n810 gps? |
| 11:34.11 | jeddy3 | wich is the really sick thing about it |
| 11:34.23 | qwerty12 | cy3o3, I thought it already did, just taht the N810 gps was rubbish :P |
| 11:34.33 | kaatis | Cptnodegard, maybe the nordic countries should join to create a social democratic mmorpg. loot from monsters is taxed at 50% and given to bureaucracy class and to those who didn't play. :P |
| 11:34.51 | cy3o3 | qwerty12: Didn't think so, but haven't tried recently |
| 11:35.01 | cy3o3 | internal GPS seems to work fine for me |
| 11:35.10 | cy3o3 | just takes too long to sync up with satellites |
| 11:35.34 | johnx | it's worked since the beginning |
| 11:35.39 | Cptnodegard | yeah we spend money on a lot of crap |
| 11:35.40 | Cptnodegard | like the new opera in oslo |
| 11:35.40 | johnx | (w/ the n810 gps) |
| 11:35.54 | Cptnodegard | it cost every inhabitant of norway 140 bucks each |
| 11:36.11 | qwerty12 | Oh yeah, taxes are said to be high in Norway, right? |
| 11:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | cy3o3, Maemo Mapper has always worked fine with the N810's GPS |
| 11:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth, no MAC. |
| 11:36.49 | pupnik | One improvement to maemo mapper would be easier/more robust setup |
| 11:36.51 | Cptnodegard | i earned 22000 USD from summer jobs last year... tax came out to 3500 |
| 11:37.02 | X-Fade | Cptnodegard: We spent 6Bn euro on a railway that nobody uses ;) |
| 11:37.05 | Cptnodegard | but normally its way more, 30% |
| 11:37.48 | X-Fade | Cptnodegard: 375 euro pp. |
| 11:37.53 | qwerty12 | Woah, is tax evasion high in Norway? :P |
| 11:38.07 | Cptnodegard | lol no |
| 11:38.42 | Cptnodegard | they should use more money on public transportation here... taking the bus is more expensive than taking the car |
| 11:39.13 | qwerty12 | Hmm, in London, I've got one more year left of free travel on buses. |
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| 11:39.23 | X-Fade | Cptnodegard: Current gas prices will set that off pretty quickly. |
| 11:41.33 | pupnik | Cptnodegard: that's welfare |
| 11:41.46 | Cptnodegard | nop, even with the gas prices as high as they are, it doesnt coma close |
| 11:42.04 | pupnik | it's stealing from one person to give money to another |
| 11:42.11 | pupnik | http://www.pupnik.de/Welfare1000.jpg |
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| 11:42.14 | Cptnodegard | taking the bus form here to Lillehammer 17KM away costs / bucks |
| 11:42.17 | Cptnodegard | 7 |
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| 11:45.55 | jeddy3 | is going by regional train to work, 85km for ~$11 one trip :S |
| 11:46.14 | pupnik | close to german prices |
| 11:46.18 | Cptnodegard | train to oslo, 200KM, is $60 |
| 11:46.28 | pupnik | That's good |
| 11:46.53 | Cptnodegard | should be 1/3 that |
| 11:47.10 | jeddy3 | Cptnodegard, ouch |
| 11:47.18 | Cptnodegard | i dont pay taxes fot the government to build freaking operas |
| 11:47.33 | pupnik | In taxes, you don't have choice |
| 11:47.35 | cy3o3 | I see |
| 11:47.47 | cy3o3 | Guess I'll try it out then (maemo mapper w/internal GPS) |
| 11:47.55 | pupnik | Let the train riders pay for the train, the car drivers pay for the road, and the opera goers pay for the opera. |
| 11:47.59 | johnx | pupnik, sure you do: move. :) |
| 11:48.04 | pupnik | That's called free enterprise. |
| 11:48.22 | Cptnodegard | if i got o lillehammer first and tak ethe bus from there, theres a pecial offer tooslo for 30 bucks. but that also takes 3,5 hours vs 2 with train/car |
| 11:48.30 | Cptnodegard | well 2.5 with car |
| 11:48.53 | pupnik | johnx: to antarctica? When the ice melts sure. |
| 11:49.17 | qwerty12 | But on the upside, you can eat penguins! |
| 11:50.04 | johnx | well, you can choose wear to live based on who is doing what with tax money |
| 11:50.04 | johnx | want to support opera, move to where Cptnodegard does :) |
| 11:50.04 | Cptnodegard | :( |
| 11:50.10 | Cptnodegard | i need to move off earth |
| 11:50.25 | qwerty12 | Meh, I hate Opera :P (browser and "entertainment") . Although visiting Norway would be nice. |
| 11:50.43 | Cptnodegard | wtf do you wantto come here for? |
| 11:51.00 | qwerty12 | Hehe, just to visit, seems like a nice place :P |
| 11:51.15 | Cptnodegard | wow you really are delusional :D |
| 11:51.15 | qwerty12 | Come to East London for stabbings, and gang life :P |
| 11:51.40 | qwerty12 | Of course :P |
| 11:52.11 | termsig | qwerty12: it's nothing bad.. |
| 11:52.46 | johnx | heh...I used to live in Seattle. (WA, US) They built two (2!) stadiums in the city with gov't money rather than 1 train line... |
| 11:53.44 | Cptnodegard | We spent like 100 million on some fighter planes to lick bush'ass... who the fuck is going to invade nroay in 2008? |
| 11:53.45 | termsig | johnx: but train line it's not so important i think, most ppl have cars.. |
| 11:53.52 | lcuk | johnx, but how can they play games on a train? |
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| 11:54.02 | Cptnodegard | leave it to the us to wage war on anythign that moves |
| 11:54.05 | X-Fade | johnx: Classic Roman knowlegde. To keep your people happy, give them food an plays :) |
| 11:54.20 | johnx | X-Fade, the analogy came to mind... |
| 11:54.58 | johnx | termsig, traffic is 3rd worst in the US (IIRC) and gas prices aren't getting any cheaper. Also, because the bus system is so awful you basically have no choice about owning a car... |
| 11:55.03 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, Meh, Bush is a knobcheese, lol it may be the US ;) with all the oil :P |
| 11:56.38 | Cptnodegard | moves to Petoria |
| 11:56.50 | termsig | johnx: ok then move to Poland :P, every 2m whole in street and price of petrol it's more exp then in uk. |
| 11:57.25 | Cptnodegard | polish truckers always create chaoes in norway |
| 11:57.44 | Cptnodegard | they break down everywhere and try to run cargo in wore down summer tires during the winter |
| 11:57.46 | johnx | meh...I'm just saying. You can't ride the stadium to work, but you can definitely play baseball (and american football!) on a moving train... |
| 11:58.00 | derf | I thought Seattle was 4th. |
| 11:58.05 | derf | Behind LA, SF, and DC. |
| 11:58.08 | johnx | I dunno what it is now |
| 11:58.35 | johnx | still that's a pretty big accomplishment for such a (comparitively) small city... |
| 11:59.05 | derf | Yeah, speaking as a native of DC, I have a hard time imagining your traffic is worse than ours. |
| 11:59.33 | johnx | no trains, no subway and a useless bus system helps... |
| 11:59.33 | derf | And we _have_ a train system. It just isn't actually useful. |
| 12:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | Trains aren't, unfortunately, a magic bullet. |
| 12:00.55 | johnx | they work pretty well some places |
| 12:01.01 | mgedmin | sighs nostalgically, remembering trains in Denmark |
| 12:01.07 | lcuk | sure they are - as long as you line up your target somewhere along the track |
| 12:01.21 | derf | I've been to countries with good train systems. |
| 12:01.36 | johnx | All they need in Seattle is a train that follows I-5 (the major freeway) as closely as possible |
| 12:01.37 | derf | Denmark, the Netherlands, Japan, etc. |
| 12:02.00 | lcuk | manchester (england) metro trams work quite nicely, but they havent got the choice of location |
| 12:03.53 | derf | It's really amazing how much easier it makes getting around. |
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| 12:09.04 | barisione | do you know why "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/" asks for a username and password? |
| 12:09.35 | johnx | maybe try without the s in https? |
| 12:09.42 | barisione | it doesn't work |
| 12:09.45 | barisione | it redirects |
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| 12:09.50 | johnx | but also, browser-ui is non-free |
| 12:09.53 | johnx | IIRC |
| 12:10.11 | barisione | browser-eal is MPL |
| 12:10.54 | X-Fade | barisione: Perhaps because the certificate expired today. They are replacing it atm I think.. |
| 12:11.07 | barisione | oh |
| 12:11.28 | barisione | it complained about the cert, I just say accept even if it's expired |
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| 12:15.00 | Ivanovic | someone from the mplayer project around? |
| 12:15.12 | Ivanovic | i would like to know which configure options are used for the official build |
| 12:16.51 | qwerty12 | Ivanovic, I'm not from mplayer but I have the options in a patch I've got. Which model are you compiling for? |
| 12:17.06 | Ivanovic | this will be for an n810 |
| 12:17.22 | qwerty12 | Wait a sec. |
| 12:17.26 | Ivanovic | but i would like to know what the official one is build with as in "which support is active, what is removed" |
| 12:17.37 | Ivanovic | eg using rtp streaming and stuff like this |
| 12:17.57 | qwerty12 | Here, http://pastebin.com/m229188b8 |
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| 12:18.33 | Ivanovic | (at university we will be trying to build some multimedia networks using the n810, that is video/autio streaming, stuff like this, would be neat if we could "just" extend what is there already and basically do some gui work to glue everything together) |
| 12:18.45 | jott | barisione: isn't the project called "browser" not browser-ui? |
| 12:19.03 | barisione | jott: they are 2 different things |
| 12:19.15 | barisione | in can see it in the svn web interface |
| 12:19.20 | jott | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser-ui/?root=browser&sortdir=down |
| 12:19.40 | Ivanovic | qwerty12: so those are the options used for the official one, too? |
| 12:19.54 | Ivanovic | why is v4l left out, thought the camera was just a v4l device |
| 12:20.48 | qwerty12 | Ivanovic, they are afaik. |
| 12:21.04 | qwerty12 | The patch was taken from Serge's mplayer and updated for RC2 |
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| 12:21.14 | jott | barisione: i.e. svn co http://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/ |
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| 12:21.20 | qwerty12 | Ivanovic, most people dont need it. There are builds with it enabled though. |
| 12:21.40 | Ivanovic | qwerty12: do you know if there is a commandline option to paste out all the supported stuff? |
| 12:21.41 | jott | barisione: i.e. svn co http://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/ |
| 12:21.49 | Ivanovic | like supported protocols and codecs? |
| 12:21.51 | jott | sorry |
| 12:21.54 | jott | wrong again ;) |
| 12:22.09 | qwerty12 | Ivanovic, you mean the configure options? |
| 12:22.26 | Ivanovic | qwerty12: nah, that would be ./configure --help |
| 12:22.32 | Ivanovic | i mean from the existing binary |
| 12:22.55 | qwerty12 | No I'm not sure, sorry. When you try something though, it tells you its not supported. |
| 12:23.24 | Ivanovic | okay, thanks for you help |
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| 12:54.17 | qwerty12 | pupnik, Can I ask here if you are around? I've got a folder with rtl8187 drivers which is useless unless I can send it to you? :P |
| 12:54.26 | qwerty12 | ^useless to me |
| 13:01.31 | qwerty12 | Anyone knows where the font of OMWeather is defined (source, gconf key, config file ) etc? |
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| 13:02.36 | AStorm | qwerty12: gconf |
| 13:02.52 | AStorm | but it has its own prfs too |
| 13:02.52 | qwerty12 | AStorm, I looked in gconf but all I could see was the colour :( |
| 13:03.06 | AStorm | it sets that when you change it |
| 13:03.29 | qwerty12 | Ah, I'll take another look |
| 13:03.46 | AStorm | go to the home menu and select Applet settings |
| 13:04.19 | qwerty12 | All I can see in there is font colour :) |
| 13:04.44 | AStorm | wait... |
| 13:05.02 | AStorm | indeed |
| 13:05.15 | AStorm | it seens to use system (fontconfig) sans |
| 13:05.36 | AStorm | no option for you (no schema) |
| 13:05.53 | qwerty12 | Yes, I saw that but when I search the source code for sans, it returns nothing. My theme is set to a different font so if it was geting it from there, it would have changed. |
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| 13:06.57 | Jsn0327 | does anyone know if there is a text editor included with os2008 that can be run as root from the terminal? |
| 13:07.13 | qwerty12 | vi? |
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| 13:08.07 | GeneralAntilles | 6 |
| 13:08.15 | GeneralAntilles | s/6/^/ |
| 13:08.26 | qwerty12 | 9? |
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| 13:10.08 | Jsn0327 | is there a better text editor for terminal that i can download than vi? |
| 13:10.14 | qwerty12 | leafpad |
| 13:10.17 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 13:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | Well, vim. |
| 13:10.33 | solmumaha | nano |
| 13:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | nano is garbage. :P |
| 13:10.49 | Jsn0327 | i have leafpad but it won't run from terminal |
| 13:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's particularly broken on maemo |
| 13:10.53 | Jsn0327 | what about gedit? |
| 13:10.53 | qwerty12 | nano segfaults like crazy on my n800 |
| 13:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | since search just segfaults. |
| 13:11.06 | qwerty12 | Jsn0327, run leafpad with run-standalone.sh in front |
| 13:11.11 | solmumaha | nano-tiny has worked fine |
| 13:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with vi, anyway, Jsn0327? |
| 13:11.34 | qwerty12 | I actually prefer the vi that comes with maemo to the one on my ubuntu distro. |
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| 13:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | vim has extra features that get in the way if you don't set it up how you want it, qwerty12. |
| 13:11.56 | Jsn0327 | when i ran vi with userContent.css it didnt have a way to enter a new line without going all the way to the 26th page of the file |
| 13:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | Press i |
| 13:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | Look at this as a good opportunity to learn vi. |
| 13:12.42 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Ah thanks. I'm gonna look into it but I guess gedit works for me in ubuntu. |
| 13:12.50 | GeneralAntilles | Which is an important skill, as it's the only editor you can rely on being in every since *nix distribution on the planet. |
| 13:13.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's a time investment getting vim up to your own preferences. |
| 13:13.13 | wnd | not to mention vi (and especially vim) rocks :-) |
| 13:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | Worth the investment |
| 13:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | but still. |
| 13:13.27 | Veggen | And contrary to what you might think, vi(m) *is* a very powerful editor. |
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| 13:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | Also, figuring out what those preferences are. ;) |
| 13:13.56 | RST38h | General: Wrong |
| 13:14.01 | Jsn0327 | GeneralAntilles: do you know if they've made any headway in getting a mouse to work with the n810? I know that you post on the forums alot |
| 13:14.08 | RST38h | General: If you want ot be really reliable you should rely on ED! |
| 13:14.29 | qwerty12 | Come think of it an emacs port exists for os2007 |
| 13:14.31 | qwerty12 | *os2008 |
| 13:14.40 | Jsn0327 | vim takes up 20 megs! |
| 13:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, :P |
| 13:15.03 | RST38h | Emacs is scary - how do you know that its LISP-based AI isn't editing some part of your document while you are not watching? |
| 13:15.07 | GeneralAntilles | Jsn0327, I haven't paid any attention to mouse support. |
| 13:15.11 | mgedmin | vim comes with lots of scripts, syntax files, help files |
| 13:15.23 | RST38h | Why do you need 20MB for VIM? |
| 13:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | Jsn0327, just use vi. |
| 13:15.35 | qwerty12 | Jsn0327, why not run as root "run-standalone.sh leafpad userContent.css" |
| 13:15.37 | liquid217 | i prefer joe, when I have a choice of editors |
| 13:15.52 | RST38h | prefers pico but can live with nano |
| 13:16.00 | Jsn0327 | i'm trying that now |
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| 13:16.20 | qwerty12 | Although you can set up the root environment to not give you error messages like the leafpad one but it makes it go into gtk original style (ie not hildonised) |
| 13:16.49 | Jsn0327 | qwerty12: Thanks that worked |
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| 13:17.31 | qwerty12 | Np, but I'm sure you don't have to be root to edit userContent.css come think of it. |
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| 13:18.54 | Jsn0327 | well you have to be root to do soo much stuff in linux, I just do it anyway |
| 13:19.21 | qwerty12 | Hehe, sometimes it's not a good idea. I've messed up a few permissions like that... :p |
| 13:19.44 | Jsn0327 | lol |
| 13:19.51 | Jsn0327 | i know then u just do chown |
| 13:20.20 | qwerty12 | Hehe, too much work for me :P but yes, when that happens I have to do that :) |
| 13:20.28 | Jsn0327 | I can't believe that linux programmers are soo paranoid that you are going to screw something up, that you have to type sudo in front of everything |
| 13:20.30 | wnd | generally you only need to be root to change things that affect all users. you also may have to run "a user" application as root if the application is faulty, misconfigured, badly written, or simply doing something that it's not supposed to do. |
| 13:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's a security measure, Jsn0327. :\ |
| 13:21.07 | Jsn0327 | i know it is. But people use windows everyday and login as adminstrator with minimal problems |
| 13:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | Part of using a system designed for multiple users. |
| 13:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | As opposed to Window's broken multi-user implementation. |
| 13:21.39 | Veggen | "minimal problems"? |
| 13:21.40 | wnd | in most cases fiddling around as super user is simply ignorance or stupidity. no offence. |
| 13:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | Jsn0327, more viruses, spyware, adware, trojans and worms than you can possibly imagine is "minimal"? |
| 13:22.12 | wnd | erm, s/ignorance/ignorant/; s/stupidity/stupid/ |
| 13:22.32 | Jsn0327 | putting all that aside, i'm talking about the average user using his desktop |
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| 13:23.09 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: well the average user shouldn't want to be able to accidently rm -rf / |
| 13:23.16 | Veggen | the average people is exactly the people that *get* problems from running as administrator, they just don't know it. |
| 13:23.28 | wnd | I can't think of anything that would require an ordinary user to do as root, except for updating the os |
| 13:23.40 | trickie_ | or have some build script 'accidently' f-up their system libs |
| 13:24.20 | Jsn0327 | the built script is going to f-up your system when you run it as root anyway. either way you are going to run the script |
| 13:24.46 | trickie_ | that doesn't make sense |
| 13:24.59 | Jsn0327 | you have to be root to do everything in linux. Install an app, remove an app, update an app, save a text file to a directory. edit certain files |
| 13:25.12 | trickie_ | thats not true |
| 13:25.27 | trickie_ | you need to be root to install some apps systemwide |
| 13:25.30 | trickie_ | which makes sense |
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| 13:25.39 | trickie_ | how else will you secure a multi-user installation? |
| 13:25.46 | trickie_ | as for 'save a text file to a directory. edit certain files' |
| 13:25.57 | trickie_ | i think you missing the point |
| 13:26.22 | trickie_ | what directory are you trying to save text files to? |
| 13:26.34 | trickie_ | or what certain files are you talking about |
| 13:26.41 | Jsn0327 | trickie_ what i'm saying is that if i want to run a script that was written by someone else. i'm going to run it as root if it doesn't run from my user account. either way i'm going to run it. i'm the owner of the computer. i shouldn't have to type sudo for everything. Maybe it makes more sence since there are not multiple user accounts on linux, and it was meant for everyone to use one account, but if that's the case then they should make |
| 13:26.43 | wnd | trickie_, wrong directory and wrong files ;-) |
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| 13:27.33 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: well you can just login as root, and hope the best |
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| 13:27.39 | Jsn0327 | it's not wrong directory and wrong files. When i first installed ubuntu, everything was owned by root. I had to change all of the permissions to my user account to be able to save anything |
| 13:27.50 | trickie_ | and then oneday you will see why user privileges are sperated as they are |
| 13:27.54 | wnd | :-D |
| 13:28.00 | Jsn0327 | yeah then every kid out there can hack into the root account of my machine |
| 13:28.12 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: well you were trying to save it in the wrong directory |
| 13:28.24 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: exactly |
| 13:28.35 | trickie_ | you cannot have your cake and eat it too |
| 13:28.51 | Jsn0327 | is there a way to make multiple user accounts in linux? |
| 13:28.57 | Jsn0327 | then i can have my cake and eat it to |
| 13:28.57 | wnd | :-D |
| 13:29.08 | Veggen | Jsn0327: uh? Of course there is. |
| 13:29.12 | RST38h | Jsn0327: You will not believe it but THERE IS! |
| 13:29.17 | Jsn0327 | lol |
| 13:29.21 | qwerty12 | OMG |
| 13:29.29 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: i reckon you should go read some more on how a unix/linux system works |
| 13:29.32 | trickie_ | might make more sense |
| 13:29.34 | RST38h | Isn't it amazing? |
| 13:29.35 | trickie_ | and less frustrating |
| 13:29.44 | wnd | and I thought #debian was a funny place to be :-D |
| 13:30.07 | qwerty12 | if you apt-get install adduser, you can even do it on OS2008. Grab Fanoush's framebuffer mod and run getty and you can log in with it too. |
| 13:30.50 | Jsn0327 | yeah right. my n810 slows down enough with one user. I wouldn't even think about adding another one |
| 13:31.09 | Jsn0327 | i need it for my ubuntu desktop |
| 13:31.17 | inz | Jsn, the other users only slow down the system if they're doing something |
| 13:31.24 | qwerty12 | Have you been in System,Administration yet> |
| 13:31.27 | qwerty12 | *? |
| 13:31.49 | qwerty12 | Nice little applet called Users & Groups ;) :p |
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| 13:32.01 | Jsn0327 | yeah but from what i've heard, linux was designed for multiple users with one desktop. Thats why i haven't looked into multiple accounts/desktops |
| 13:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | Jsn0327, seriously, go read up on *nix. You're revealing an awful lot of ignorance here. :) |
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| 13:33.06 | qwerty12 | Man, I wish my router didn't suck balls. |
| 13:33.11 | Jsn0327 | GeneralAntilles: Honestly I don't care how much ignorance i'm revealing. It's called being new to linux |
| 13:33.22 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: or at least ask specific questions |
| 13:33.23 | Jsn0327 | Everyone starts somewhere |
| 13:33.35 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: and don't rely on heresay |
| 13:33.39 | trickie_ | cause its wrong |
| 13:33.49 | RST38h | Jsn0327: Actually, it is called having misconceptions about Linux |
| 13:33.52 | Jsn0327 | I appreciate your help everyone. |
| 13:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | There's a difference between being new and spewing incorrect things like you know what you're talking about. ;) |
| 13:34.18 | RST38h | Let me quickly lookup if there is some online document you can read. |
| 13:34.26 | trickie_ | Jsn0327: i recommend reading some more about how a linux works, accounts, filesystem etc and you will be less frustrated |
| 13:34.43 | Jsn0327 | I have to go help out at my daughters school. Talk to you guys later. |
| 13:35.24 | RST38h | Ran away |
| 13:35.29 | mgedmin | sees Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed! in scratchbox |
| 13:35.32 | mgedmin | scratches head |
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| 13:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | It wants a cookie, mgedmin. |
| 13:36.19 | GeneralAntilles | Feed it. |
| 13:36.25 | liquid217 | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled |
| 13:36.36 | Veggen | Well. It's not that it's bad to be a beginner. But many beginners that come from Windows doesn't want Linux, they want "a better Windows", and thinks Linux is that because someone has told them Linux is better. |
| 13:36.47 | inz | Veggen, he's gone already |
| 13:36.53 | Veggen | mmm, saw. |
| 13:38.31 | MangoFusion | would now be a bad time to indicate that i use a mac? ;) |
| 13:38.33 | MangoFusion | runs |
| 13:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Join the club. :P |
| 13:39.18 | MangoFusion | mactel or macppc? |
| 13:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | PPC, duh. |
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| 13:40.20 | MangoFusion | currently just got me macbook and mac mini (ppc) |
| 13:40.30 | MangoFusion | pity there's no decent sync for my n800 |
| 13:40.46 | MangoFusion | though then again, i probably wouldn't sync anything anyway |
| 13:40.50 | MangoFusion | ;) |
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| 13:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | lol, qwerty12, how do you deal with that font and color in FBReader? <_< |
| 13:47.12 | RST38h | What are those font and color? |
| 13:47.18 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I can read it fine :). I read in the dark with my light off so it works for me :) |
| 13:47.46 | GeneralAntilles | shudders. |
| 13:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | SwissA 16pt 1.3 white-on-black is the way for me. |
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| 13:49.14 | qwerty12 | I've always found red to be good, but I've probably killed off my "night vision" years ago when I started reading books of a tiny K750 screen |
| 13:49.42 | Navi | I like white on gray |
| 13:49.46 | RST38h | green-on-red? =) |
| 13:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 13:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 13:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell put in that security section? |
| 13:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to take a bet? |
| 13:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | What a joke. |
| 13:50.10 | RST38h | black on wheat-yellow is nice |
| 13:50.42 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, I'm pretty sure I know who did it |
| 13:50.51 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, you should post that desktop in screenshots thread, most modded out of all of them :P |
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| 13:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn |
| 13:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | I look away for a few days and they rape that article. |
| 13:51.26 | Navi | What a moron |
| 13:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about having an ax to grind. |
| 13:51.39 | Navi | ipconfig > most of the other crap on Linux |
| 13:51.40 | Navi | er |
| 13:51.44 | Navi | not ipconfig >_> |
| 13:51.47 | Navi | sighs |
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| 13:52.53 | Navi | Anyways |
| 13:52.55 | RST38h | General: You should just add to that section that Maemo also does not include support for electrocuting unauthorized users and thus totally lacks physical security |
| 13:53.02 | Navi | iptables > the other crap on Linux |
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| 13:53.21 | GeneralAntilles | goes to cleanup the article again. |
| 13:53.23 | qwerty12 | Hmm, will penguinbait's kde run off a 1gb card? I know it says minimum is 2gb but I'm a tramp and only have 1gb |
| 13:53.30 | GeneralAntilles | Why do my requests for assistance there only pull in the crazy people. :< |
| 13:53.51 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, should I just build an iptables frontend and the useless clamav to satisfy those people? |
| 13:53.54 | RST38h | And, for cost reasons, Nokia does not supply german shepherds with its tablets, making it impossible to secure devices |
| 13:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody keeps insisting on coming in to fuck up the intro. <_< |
| 13:55.27 | Navi | "The security deficiencies of ITOS may explain why it has not been installed in a smartphone but only in PDA style devices with no direct ability to use the telephone network, as infected telephones could be used to stage a denial of service attack by repeatedly ringing a selected number, with the potential for loss of life if emergency service were targeted." |
| 13:55.27 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, What's wrong with it? I'm not saying I endorse the new intro but I can't see what the mistake/bad thing is? |
| 13:55.29 | Navi | \o/ |
| 13:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | Major redundancy |
| 13:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid " - "'- |
| 13:55.57 | GeneralAntilles | s/-/s/2 |
| 13:56.10 | RST38h | qwerty: it is meaningless |
| 13:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, it was fine like it was. |
| 13:56.16 | Navi | qwerty12, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&oldid=206245471#Security |
| 13:56.25 | qwerty12 | Ah, thanks. |
| 13:56.44 | Navi | It's common Linux misconceptions spewed from a Windows moron. |
| 13:56.46 | qwerty12 | Eek, I can see the shit on that page |
| 13:56.52 | GeneralAntilles | The Future section is more bullshit. |
| 13:57.29 | RST38h | Is there a way to make some script keep the page in order automatically? |
| 13:57.54 | RST38h | Simply check it every few days on cron and bring it back to the original state? |
| 13:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell put those "footnotes" in? |
| 13:58.17 | johnx | you could ask someone at wikipedia to lock it I guess... |
| 13:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | They completely screwed up the numbering. |
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| 13:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, johnx, I'll just have to pay better attention. |
| 13:58.40 | Navi | Oh god |
| 13:58.52 | Navi | He links to the register in that article, and takes them seriously |
| 13:59.19 | Cptnodegard | great i got an idea for somethign i need, and it doesnt really exist |
| 14:00.45 | Navi | Someone should build the bloatware security apps for the losers in the security threads on ITT |
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| 14:00.49 | jott | haha i really wonder why someone put such effort in writing such a crap on wikipedia that will obviously get deleted |
| 14:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 14:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | Because they're stupid |
| 14:01.18 | GeneralAntilles | Read meanwhile's posts on ITT, jott. |
| 14:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | You'll soon realize why. |
| 14:01.41 | X-Fade | Damn, he's putting in a lot of hours too.. |
| 14:01.46 | Navi | X-Fade, yeah |
| 14:01.49 | X-Fade | If I look at that history list ;) |
| 14:02.05 | Navi | Yeh |
| 14:02.16 | trickie_ | ha, thats funny |
| 14:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | is confused by the buzz-word comment. |
| 14:03.23 | Navi | ? |
| 14:03.30 | GeneralAntilles | See talk. |
| 14:04.22 | Navi | Get straight to the point and provide sources to back up the content |
| 14:04.26 | johnx | shakes his head. "Never mud-wrestle with a pig, you'll both get muddy and the pig likes it." |
| 14:04.26 | qwerty12 | is confused too. |
| 14:04.37 | Navi | Of course, that's extremely ironic :D |
| 14:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, which is exactly what I was doing. :P |
| 14:05.25 | Navi | He complained about iptables |
| 14:05.27 | Navi | someone should kill him |
| 14:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | Nice, citing a forum thread. :\ |
| 14:08.21 | Navi | should stop grabbing outdated control files from debian packages |
| 14:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what all that bullshit about Trolltech is about |
| 14:08.33 | johnx | does that mean I can say "meanwhile is wrong" then cite the irclog? |
| 14:08.33 | qwerty12 | solmumaha, just felt like saying thanks. your shadow warrior port kept me alive in the doctor's surgery waiting room. |
| 14:10.17 | qwerty12 | hehe Reggie installed that thanks mod |
| 14:10.31 | Navi | johnx, of course! |
| 14:10.37 | GeneralAntilles | Umptious seems to think all technical terms are "buzzwords" |
| 14:10.51 | qwerty12 | Shows how much of a knob he is. |
| 14:11.17 | Navi | Yeah, buzz words like: GeneralAntilles, qwerty12, Linux, Hildon, Matchbox, Debian, etc. |
| 14:11.37 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, you really should remove them. |
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| 14:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 14:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | Think it's mostly clear of bullshit. |
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| 14:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Jesus christ |
| 14:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | Did he go in and screw with the Mobil Operating Systems table, too? |
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| 14:14.05 | GeneralAntilles | +e |
| 14:14.21 | Navi | Yeah, he did. |
| 14:14.23 | Navi | :/ |
| 14:14.25 | mgedmin | dear lazyirc, where's the maemo porting bora -> chinook document? |
| 14:15.04 | Navi | I think it was just a small header change and a recompile |
| 14:15.09 | mgedmin | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html |
| 14:15.12 | mgedmin | there |
| 14:15.46 | mgedmin | no, wait, that's not it |
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| 14:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, who wants to volunteer to flesh out the SDK section a bit? :D |
| 14:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | My knowledge there is just a touch lacking. |
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| 14:22.44 | qwerty12 | Does anyone know the right -march= line for Chinook Armel SB target? |
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| 14:33.05 | mgedmin | is there really no guide of porting bora apps to chinook? |
| 14:33.15 | mgedmin | do I have to manually diff the maemo-3.0 and maemo-4.0 porting guides? |
| 14:33.16 | mgedmin | youck |
| 14:35.42 | mgedmin | maemo 3.0 guide had a section on "Porting to maemo 3.x from maemo 2.x." |
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| 14:35.54 | mgedmin | where's the "Porting to maemo 4.x from maemo 3.x"??? |
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| 14:37.17 | MangoFusion | the dog ate it |
| 14:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | Damn that dog! |
| 14:37.48 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, I swear I've seen it |
| 14:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno where, though. |
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| 14:48.04 | Cptnodegard | is there anythign like a scanner pen that mounts like a keyboard and lets you suse it as a highlight marker? i.e you would use it for studying by "highlighting", and the text would pop up as you go on a text editor? |
| 14:48.44 | johnx | well, there are scanner pens, but they hand bitmaps to the computer |
| 14:48.56 | johnx | it would be up to you to get the computer to do the OCR as it comes in |
| 14:49.24 | Cptnodegard | yeah thats what i found |
| 14:49.28 | Cptnodegard | thats really too bad |
| 14:49.44 | johnx | doing OCR on the scanner would be silly though |
| 14:49.47 | Cptnodegard | would pwn to highlight school texts and get notes as you go |
| 14:50.04 | Cptnodegard | not enough power? |
| 14:50.12 | johnx | exactly |
| 14:50.24 | Cptnodegard | too bad... |
| 14:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody make a hardware OCR? |
| 14:50.36 | johnx | I honestly don't know |
| 14:50.46 | johnx | if they ever did, I don't see why they'd bother these days |
| 14:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'd doubt it. |
| 14:51.06 | GeneralAntilles | Mildly humorous, though. :D |
| 14:51.11 | Cptnodegard | i want one of those DocuPens |
| 14:51.28 | johnx | well, there's nothing to stop you from hacking together something that OCRed as the scanner pen threw data at the computer |
| 14:51.48 | Cptnodegard | yeah there is |
| 14:51.50 | Cptnodegard | skills |
| 14:51.53 | Cptnodegard | or lack there of :p |
| 14:51.57 | johnx | and then attach it to a gtk-input method :) |
| 14:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 14:52.06 | johnx | you only need time -or- skills :) |
| 14:52.11 | johnx | one can replace the other |
| 14:52.13 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 14:52.26 | Cptnodegard | yeah but im already 20, i'd be dead before i was half finished |
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| 14:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | Patience and willpower should be thrown in there, too. ;) |
| 14:53.24 | Cptnodegard | technically if the scanner pen spit out small strips of bitmaps you can still make a list of them |
| 14:53.41 | johnx | I'm sure you can write a gtk input method in python |
| 14:53.43 | Cptnodegard | im surprised its not more used since highlighting shit is done by millions of students |
| 14:53.47 | johnx | that saves a lot of pain right there |
| 14:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | only highlights when he has to for an assignment. |
| 14:54.14 | Cptnodegard | exams :p |
| 14:54.26 | johnx | Cptnodegard, I do like the idea, actually. :D |
| 14:54.52 | Cptnodegard | this shit is so boring and dry that they ship this book to flooded areas to absorb water |
| 14:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 14:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of school |
| 14:55.12 | GeneralAntilles | I want to do stuff. |
| 14:55.25 | johnx | so workflow: press button on scanner pen, capture script is launched, press button again, script hands bitmap to gocr, gocr hands it to gtk- input method, input in word processor |
| 14:55.28 | johnx | maybe? |
| 14:55.33 | Cptnodegard | johnx yeah the idea seems smart to me, so imsurprised it doesnt exist |
| 14:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | Press sensitive script to activate the scanner. |
| 14:55.55 | johnx | I think those scanner pens don't work that well |
| 14:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | s/script/tip/ |
| 14:56.34 | Cptnodegard | but yeah that would be the way to do it |
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| 15:18.18 | pancake | hello? |
| 15:18.22 | liquid217 | wow, just had another tremor here in kentucky |
| 15:19.10 | ||cw | here in stl too |
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| 15:26.04 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi |
| 15:26.25 | phunguy | oh god |
| 15:26.36 | phunguy | i'm really bored |
| 15:26.57 | phunguy | i'm at a tech conference in toronto |
| 15:27.07 | Khertan_on_n810 | someone have try python-evolution ? |
| 15:27.18 | Khertan_on_n810 | it s unfinished on maemo ? |
| 15:27.31 | Khertan_on_n810 | or __doc__ is missing |
| 15:27.32 | Khertan_on_n810 | ? |
| 15:27.50 | lmoura | Khertan_on_n810, doc is missing |
| 15:27.59 | lmoura | but it's a 1-on-1 to desktop version |
| 15:28.24 | Khertan_on_n810 | so i can read evolution tasks db . thx for the infos |
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| 15:28.57 | Khertan_on_n810 | (i m trying to make a applet for Tasks (the one from pimlico project)) |
| 15:29.18 | Khertan_on_n810 | lmoura > do u have see my small applet ? |
| 15:29.28 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
| 15:29.40 | lmoura | Khertan_on_n810, no, I'm stil really busy with college =\ |
| 15:29.54 | Khertan_on_n810 | ah :) |
| 15:30.12 | Khertan_on_n810 | take a look on maemo.org/downloads |
| 15:30.21 | Khertan_on_n810 | there is screenshots |
| 15:30.22 | lmoura | ok |
| 15:30.30 | phunguy | lm |
| 15:30.31 | Khertan_on_n810 | s/is/are |
| 15:30.40 | phunguy | what u takin? |
| 15:30.45 | phunguy | in college |
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| 15:35.46 | phunguy | behnam! |
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| 15:39.21 | lardman | afternoon all |
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| 15:41.06 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Did you fix that shit from meanwhile at 14:11? |
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| 15:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Asshole reverted it. |
| 15:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GeneralAntilles&redirect=no |
| 15:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | "vandalism" |
| 15:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | WTF |
| 15:42.31 | qwerty12 | Yep. the guy don't know shit |
| 15:43.42 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn |
| 15:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | I really don't feel like fighting this battle. |
| 15:43.55 | GeneralAntilles | He's completely and totally full of shit. |
| 15:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | and he's pulling vandalism bullshit on me. |
| 15:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yet another reason to hate wikipedia. |
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| 15:46.02 | lardman | Sorry to go OT, but if I pull from svn, then make changes and do a build in the directory to which I pulled (thereby creating files that don't want to be commited), will a simple "svn commit" just add back the changed versions of the files I pulled? |
| 15:46.03 | MangoFusion | there are power hungry asses on every site |
| 15:46.29 | qwerty12 | The guy's a stupid fuck. Look at his source for "... due to the role of daemon processes as forwarders of such messages. (Malware could use a firewall approved daemon to send data out, by-passing the need to get permission itself.)" (which is bs) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19074 |
| 15:46.31 | MangoFusion | personally i'd use a different username |
| 15:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | I simply don't have the energy to try and fight this battle with a power hungry lunatic. |
| 15:47.29 | lardman | Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts ?? |
| 15:48.23 | lardman | can one find thanked posts on ITT? |
| 15:48.35 | qwerty12 | Yeah, click their profile. |
| 15:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn |
| 15:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | This is ridiculous |
| 15:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | I go to try and put together a decent wikipedia entry for a platform |
| 15:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | and get accuse of vandalism and bribe taking. |
| 15:49.15 | lardman | k, thanks |
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| 15:49.22 | MangoFusion | fight misinformation with misinformation, thats what i say |
| 15:49.32 | GeneralAntilles | He expects me to fight his bullshit. |
| 15:50.50 | MangoFusion | the internet is just a big mmorpg |
| 15:50.51 | qwerty12 | I think Navi was right with killing him, anyone know a hitman? |
| 15:51.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just gonna revert it |
| 15:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | If he wants to have me banned |
| 15:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | then fuck wikipedia |
| 15:51.41 | qwerty12 | fuck it if you get banned, tell me what to write and I'll put it in |
| 15:52.02 | qwerty12 | I should be changing isp's soon sometime |
| 15:52.19 | MangoFusion | i think if its just you against him, you'll inevitably make yourself out to be an even bigger ass than he is |
| 15:52.52 | MangoFusion | since he must have been in the right the first time, right? |
| 15:53.03 | MangoFusion | or maybe thats just what comes with being a moderator |
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| 15:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Idiocy on the internet is threatening to drive me over the edge. |
| 15:55.33 | ||cw | arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics. even if you win, you are still retarded. |
| 15:55.50 | qwerty12 | Hehe that pic makes me laugh# |
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| 16:04.35 | Khertan_on_n810 | ouch python-evolution documentation is difficult to found |
| 16:05.00 | qwerty12 | z00t,z00t, I got the pcmanfm file manager to run on Internet Tablet but anyone know what the gtk+ icon theme is for OS2008? |
| 16:05.40 | lmoura | Khertan, do you want task support? |
| 16:05.50 | lmoura | Khertan_on_n810, ^ |
| 16:06.11 | Khertan_on_n810 | yes :) |
| 16:06.20 | lmoura | AFAIR, the maemo package only ships ebook modules, not ecal |
| 16:06.25 | lmoura | =\ |
| 16:06.41 | lmoura | does 'import evolution.ecal' work? |
| 16:06.56 | Khertan_on_n810 | ah i ven,t understood that it s why i have asked about __doc__ :) |
| 16:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | There's the warning. |
| 16:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | Screw wikipedia |
| 16:07.57 | Khertan_on_n810 | arg ... :( NoneType |
| 16:08.28 | Khertan_on_n810 | so i ll wait |
| 16:08.29 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
| 16:08.35 | Khertan_on_n810 | no home applets yet for pimlico projects |
| 16:09.21 | Khertan_on_n810 | lmoura > do u know about how to do prefs with hildondesktop binding for home applet ? |
| 16:12.41 | lmoura | Khertan_on_n810, no |
| 16:12.47 | Khertan_on_n810 | ok :) |
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| 16:17.16 | Khertan_on_n810 | ouch 60s freeze of all the system ... canola powa |
| 16:18.19 | Cptnodegard | wishes the n800 had an IR port |
| 16:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | They do, Cptnodegard. :D |
| 16:19.25 | qwerty12 | hehe irtrans? :P |
| 16:19.30 | Cptnodegard | ??? |
| 16:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5mm ;) |
| 16:19.44 | Cptnodegard | audio jack? |
| 16:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | Heck yeah |
| 16:19.53 | qwerty12 | nah i carry my 9mm and my 18in, better than 3.5 :p |
| 16:20.40 | Cptnodegard | link? cant find anythin on google |
| 16:20.54 | Cptnodegard | or do you HAVE to diy? |
| 16:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/500839-REG/Avocent_IRB_100_IR_BLASTER_2_LED.html |
| 16:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | Something like that |
| 16:21.22 | GeneralAntilles | But without the wiring. |
| 16:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | Griffin used to make something |
| 16:21.52 | Cptnodegard | does that work with that tv remote thingy? |
| 16:22.31 | Cptnodegard | i want to control my robosapien with the n800 >:D |
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| 16:23.26 | Khertan_on_n810 | cptnodegard > for u r robosapien u can do a simple bluetooth module too for it |
| 16:23.43 | Cptnodegard | it has bt? |
| 16:23.45 | Khertan_on_n810 | it s easy to do, at least for v1 |
| 16:23.52 | Cptnodegard | i got a v2...i think |
| 16:23.58 | Cptnodegard | asks him |
| 16:24.22 | Khertan_on_n810 | no but bt chip is available at low cost now |
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| 16:24.49 | Khertan_on_n810 | does it can talk > if it can it s a v2 |
| 16:24.58 | Cptnodegard | it talks |
| 16:25.00 | Cptnodegard | and farts |
| 16:25.02 | Cptnodegard | and burps |
| 16:25.07 | Cptnodegard | and all kinds of rude gestures |
| 16:25.26 | Cptnodegard | its a v2. googled a pic |
| 16:25.32 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
| 16:25.47 | Cptnodegard | v1 looks gay |
| 16:25.52 | Cptnodegard | like quasimodo |
| 16:25.52 | Khertan_on_n810 | lol |
| 16:25.59 | Khertan_on_n810 | v2 look gay ! |
| 16:26.17 | Cptnodegard | i saw a video on youtube of some people who made a robot dog with an n800 |
| 16:26.18 | Cptnodegard | pwned |
| 16:26.28 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) v1 is more easily customable |
| 16:26.53 | Cptnodegard | sounds like you have one? ;) |
| 16:27.15 | Khertan_on_n810 | a friend have add a cam and a small 'ia' |
| 16:27.33 | Khertan_on_n810 | cptnodegard > yes i ve one |
| 16:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard is gonna take over the world. |
| 16:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | cowers. |
| 16:27.55 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 16:28.05 | Cptnodegard | i got my v2 on a sale... down from 400 to 100 bucks |
| 16:28.12 | Khertan_on_n810 | a bit hacked |
| 16:28.12 | Cptnodegard | dunno how much they ever cost in the us¨ |
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| 16:28.37 | Cptnodegard | i used to use mine to hold my camera before i got a tripod |
| 16:29.29 | Khertan_on_n810 | mine have custom motors and a custom 'brain' |
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| 16:29.55 | Khertan_on_n810 | an armel with a bt chip |
| 16:30.01 | Cptnodegard | nice |
| 16:30.55 | Khertan_on_n810 | the purpose was to grip things on the floor to place them at their right place |
| 16:31.17 | Khertan_on_n810 | but i need to finish detection algo |
| 16:32.00 | Khertan_on_n810 | and make it localize it s place by itself |
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| 16:32.18 | Khertan_on_n810 | but it s an hard thing to do |
| 16:32.46 | Cptnodegard | have you ever controlled it with your 810? |
| 16:33.29 | Khertan_on_n810 | not yet |
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| 16:34.11 | Cptnodegard | lol, my mp3 sunglasses still have battery after being in the car for the entire winter |
| 16:34.12 | Khertan_on_n810 | i use my home computer to load new firmware on the armel chip by bt |
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| 16:34.43 | Cptnodegard | what does the new fw do? |
| 16:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 16:35.09 | Cptnodegard | whats funny? o.o |
| 16:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | mp3 sunglasses. :P |
| 16:35.23 | Cptnodegard | what about it? they work |
| 16:35.25 | Cptnodegard | :D |
| 16:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | They're ridiculous. :P |
| 16:35.34 | lopz | hola |
| 16:35.40 | Cptnodegard | no they pwn ^_^ |
| 16:36.13 | Cptnodegard | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2534 |
| 16:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | The sound quality must be terrible, though. :P |
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| 16:37.22 | Cptnodegard | yeah ill give you that... then again its not worse than that i can use them |
| 16:37.25 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:37.36 | Cptnodegard | though i prefer my d2 |
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| 16:38.10 | gribouille | ks the screen of the N810 better than the one of the N800 ? |
| 16:38.28 | gribouille | s/ks/Is |
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| 16:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | gribouille, only in that it's transflective |
| 16:39.25 | GeneralAntilles | It is otherwise identical. |
| 16:39.36 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, what does that mean ? |
| 16:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | (well, the connector is different and the size is a little different, but there's no other performance differences) |
| 16:39.48 | tbf | hmm... where do i find rx-34 kernel images for oprofile? |
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| 16:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective |
| 16:40.12 | Cptnodegard | rtansflective? is that the same as those gay dell laptops use? :p |
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| 16:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | It uses ambient light to augment the backlight |
| 16:40.31 | Cptnodegard | a friend of mine got the exact same laptop as me but with "TrueLife" screen, its freaking useless |
| 16:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | Effectively resulting in at least a little sunlight readability. |
| 16:40.45 | Cptnodegard | aha |
| 16:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard, you mean the glossy screen? |
| 16:40.50 | Cptnodegard | not the same then |
| 16:41.13 | Cptnodegard | GeneralAntilles, prob... they call it truelife. makes it work liek a mirror and impossible to read if its not 100% dark |
| 16:41.45 | ||cw | had to replace the lcd in my hp, got the glossy kind instead, love it |
| 16:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's nowhere near that bad |
| 16:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | It really depends on the environment you use it in. |
| 16:42.06 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, when my N800 isn't oriented correctly, the screen is like a mirror, and I can't see anything. is it normal ? |
| 16:42.07 | ||cw | dark, light, whatever, just have to slightly angle the screen for reflections |
| 16:42.09 | Khertan_on_n810 | same thing on macbook glossy screen |
| 16:42.13 | ||cw | it's much brighter overall |
| 16:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I find the colors on a glossy screen to be much better. |
| 16:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | gribouille, yes |
| 16:42.25 | ||cw | gribouille: yes |
| 16:42.32 | ||cw | 770 does that too |
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| 16:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | I recommend buying yourself a Boxwave anti-glare screen protector |
| 16:42.40 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, is it the same with the N810 ? |
| 16:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | It'll really improve readability in a lot of lighting conditions. |
| 16:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, it protects the screen. |
| 16:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, gribouille. |
| 16:43.03 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 16:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | The touch layer is mildly glossy, so it tends to reflect light. |
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| 16:44.01 | Cptnodegard | GeneralAntilles, for use in a well lit classroom its useless unless you run the backlight at max |
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| 16:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | I have my N800 for that situation. :D |
| 16:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, laptops suck anyway. |
| 16:44.54 | Cptnodegard | same here, my friend with the glossy screen dont have one :p |
| 16:45.04 | Cptnodegard | there really is only one thing i use that the n800 cant do - photoshop |
| 16:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | Trackpads suck for photoshop anyway. |
| 16:47.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | so ... bye |
| 16:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | Bye, Khertan! :) |
| 16:49.07 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, are anti-glare screen protectors available in retail shops or do I have to buy it online ? |
| 16:49.43 | GeneralAntilles | They may be, gribouille. |
| 16:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | But I highly doubt it |
| 16:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Best to buy online. |
| 16:49.54 | Cptnodegard | i use a mouse not a trackpad :p |
| 16:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | Boxwave has them direct for $12 |
| 16:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | Shop around a bit, though, as I've seen them around for about $9 |
| 16:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | recently went back to a trackball. |
| 16:51.04 | Cptnodegard | got a mx518 for my desktop and a MS wireless mouse 3000 for my lappy <3 |
| 16:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Used to play with an MX510 |
| 16:51.17 | GeneralAntilles | Nice mouse |
| 16:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | Left-click gave out on me, though. |
| 16:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | Refurbished it and it worked for about another month. |
| 16:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | Now it's dead dead |
| 16:51.36 | Cptnodegard | :/ |
| 16:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | Moved up to an MX Revolution. |
| 16:51.40 | Cptnodegard | the mx518 pwns |
| 16:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | Which is also now mostly dead. |
| 16:51.57 | Cptnodegard | lol mouserape |
| 16:52.06 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno |
| 16:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | Mice don't like my company. :( |
| 16:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | I like having lots of buttons. |
| 16:52.29 | Cptnodegard | that sounded a bit perverted |
| 16:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna replace the MX Revolution once I get some cash to throw around. |
| 16:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | ~17 buttons with 1 shift key. |
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| 16:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | Control everything from the mouse. :D |
| 16:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | Plus that awesome scroll wheel. |
| 16:53.10 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 16:53.16 | Cptnodegard | it wil go evil and take over your house |
| 16:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously |
| 16:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | The Revolution's scroll wheel is something to behold |
| 16:53.35 | Cptnodegard | oh? |
| 16:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's like kinetic scrolling for your desktop. |
| 16:53.45 | GeneralAntilles | You familiar with how it operates? |
| 16:53.47 | Cptnodegard | nice |
| 16:53.57 | Cptnodegard | kinetic scolling or the mouse? |
| 16:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | The scroll wheel. |
| 16:54.10 | Cptnodegard | nah havent tested one |
| 16:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's got two modes, ratcheted (like every other mouse on the planet) and freespin. |
| 16:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | You set it to disengage the clutch at a certain threshold |
| 16:54.52 | gribouille | do you use a special case to protect you tablet or not ? |
| 16:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | so when you want to scroll quickly, it switches to freespin. |
| 16:55.05 | Cptnodegard | nice |
| 16:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | and switches back when it stops moving |
| 16:55.19 | Cptnodegard | gribouille: of course :D bought one on ebay |
| 16:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | 100% intuitive and awesome. :D |
| 16:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | gribouille, I just keep the bundled sleeve in my pocket and use it like a little sub-pocket. |
| 16:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Have a case logic USB hard drive case for N800 + iGo when traveling. |
| 16:55.50 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, is it good ? |
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| 16:56.35 | Cptnodegard | gribouille: very. fits perfectly |
| 16:56.58 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, what is the name of the model ? |
| 16:57.13 | Cptnodegard | model IT? n800 |
| 16:57.40 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, I mean, the model of the case |
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| 16:58.52 | Cptnodegard | gribouille: http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-Book-Type_W0QQitemZ230244306772QQihZ013QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 17:00.54 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, you can't use the tablet without opening the case, contrary to this one : http://europe.nokia.com/n800case |
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| 17:01.20 | Cptnodegard | define "use" |
| 17:01.28 | Cptnodegard | the kicckstand, no |
| 17:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
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| 17:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | That's where all the cases fall apart for me. |
| 17:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | The kickstand is the most important feature. ;) :D |
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| 17:01.57 | Cptnodegard | whe at school i just take it out and put it on the igo stand |
| 17:02.09 | Cptnodegard | i very seldom use the kickstand |
| 17:02.24 | Mousey | uses the kickstand an embarassing amount |
| 17:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | I ALWAYS use the kickstand |
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| 17:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | Whether on not it's sitting on anything. |
| 17:02.49 | Cptnodegard | if i have it out, the igo is out, so i use that stand |
| 17:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's a great handle. |
| 17:03.32 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, the case I need is to prevent damages to the tablet if it falls on the floor while I'm using it |
| 17:04.18 | harryslamm | Am struggling to get exec privs enabled on /media/mmc1 or 2. Is it possible? |
| 17:04.19 | Cptnodegard | get a silicon skin and cut hole for the kickstand |
| 17:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | harryslamm, FAT doesn't support permissions. |
| 17:04.42 | harryslamm | Ok |
| 17:04.58 | harryslamm | Can i reformat to ext or something? |
| 17:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 17:05.53 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, when your case is closed, you can't use the tablet, can you ? |
| 17:07.34 | Cptnodegard | why not? |
| 17:07.45 | Cptnodegard | when its closed, no, but when the lid is flipped open i can |
| 17:07.54 | qwerty12 | Bye, and GeneralAntilles, best of luck with the wiki stuff. |
| 17:08.47 | Cptnodegard | gribouille: http://cgi.ebay.com/OZ-SELLER-Silicone-Silicon-Case-Cover-for-Nokia-N800_W0QQitemZ330227912217QQihZ014QQcategoryZ59913QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:09.36 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, ok, thanks |
| 17:10.45 | lcuk | its a condom for your nokia |
| 17:11.16 | Cptnodegard | wearing it will make BT pairing less cheerful and sending files will fail :D |
| 17:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 17:12.19 | lcuk | i gather it would stop sexually transimtted diseases, but airborne viruses will still get through |
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| 17:13.34 | Cptnodegard | you know youre a geek when you strap on a hardware firewall and have sex thinking she cant get pregnant |
| 17:14.29 | lcuk | you know you're just crazy if you buy a phallic shaped hardware firewall. |
| 17:15.43 | Cptnodegard | i want to mod something into those dealextreme stress relief boobs |
| 17:16.11 | gribouille | do you use skype with your tablet ? |
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| 17:16.24 | Cptnodegard | gribouille: i dont |
| 17:16.36 | gribouille | Cptnodegard, why not ? |
| 17:16.37 | Cptnodegard | i normally call cell phones, and in that area skype isnt cheap |
| 17:16.56 | Cptnodegard | 0,24 usd a minute is actually about the same as using my cell |
| 17:17.13 | Cptnodegard | and i dont use it for normal chat |
| 17:17.19 | Cptnodegard | use irc/gtalk/msn |
| 17:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo > Skype |
| 17:18.30 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, why ? |
| 17:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | Open protocols |
| 17:18.46 | GeneralAntilles | So you can use their service with just about any client |
| 17:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | particularly the built-in sip client (rtcomm) |
| 17:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | So you don't have to have a big, fugly 3rd party application open and hogging RAM all the time. ;) |
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| 17:22.33 | Cptnodegard | i find it peculiar that americans call it "fighting for freedom" when theyre actually the attacking nation |
| 17:23.27 | Cptnodegard | [/random politics] |
| 17:23.58 | gribouille | does wifi support handover ? |
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| 17:29.37 | mgedmin | Cptnodegard: they're fighting for their freedom to fight anyone they want to fight? |
| 17:29.58 | Cptnodegard | lmao |
| 17:30.03 | Cptnodegard | very well put |
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| 17:43.17 | lcuk | any idea how i find out my wep key? ive got it locked in both places and am adding a new machine but forgot what it was |
| 17:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | Crack it? |
| 17:44.08 | lcuk | if its easily done, sure |
| 17:44.15 | MangoFusion | remember it |
| 17:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | You should be using WPA2, anyway. |
| 17:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | An injector will crack it in under 2 minutes. :P |
| 17:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | Kismet on your desktop |
| 17:44.29 | lcuk | i tried i think but 810 wouldnt connect |
| 17:44.59 | lcuk | ill just change all the keys and see what i can get working |
| 17:45.06 | lcuk | didnt wanna rock the boat |
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| 17:52.46 | flavioribeiro | hi all, im trying to use hildon.App() but the device tell me that doesnt exist. somebody can help me? |
| 17:53.45 | pupnik | hey qw |
| 17:53.45 | gribouille | how can I access to my tablet from my linux box with usb ? |
| 17:53.45 | pupnik | read learn |
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| 17:58.07 | Cptnodegard | lol the zoom extension for my canon a650is fits my old konica minolta cam |
| 17:58.08 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/z10.jpg |
| 17:58.24 | Cptnodegard | 870mm |
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| 18:25.02 | dougt | is sbox2 now the official supported maemo build env? |
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| 18:32.42 | mgedmin | dougt: no |
| 18:32.49 | mgedmin | at least I haven't heard anything like that |
| 18:33.09 | dougt | points at the channel title. |
| 18:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | That's not official. |
| 18:34.08 | |Nazgul| | hello |
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| 18:46.57 | RST38h | AFAIK SB2 does not allow debugging a program remotely with GDB |
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| 18:54.28 | jga23 | anybody know if there is a program to boost the sound past 100%? |
| 18:54.53 | towo | Is it a known problem that the N810 just fails to connect to certain wireless networks, not being able to get an answer to a DHCP request? I checked on the routers, they sent out the reply, but it never arrived at the N810. Someone suggested that the kernel might drop dhcp packets not going to the global broadcast domain? |
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| 18:57.15 | liquid217_ | jga23, if you are using mplayer, you can add an option to its config file to give it a little more gain. softvol, and softvol-max i believe |
| 18:57.44 | RST38h | software mixer gain != sound boot =( |
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| 18:58.24 | liquid217_ | it can help if the video file isn't properly normalized |
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| 19:00.01 | RST38h | ...toothy carnivore that can reach seven feet in length and has found a happy home along the canals of Cape Coral... |
| 19:00.04 | RST38h | lovely |
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| 19:00.29 | RST38h | I hope it has a taste for the long pig... |
| 19:00.30 | GeneralAntilles | Alligator? |
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| 19:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | What about 'em? |
| 19:00.40 | RST38h | No, "nile monitor lizard" |
| 19:00.46 | jga23 | liquid217_: is there any way to set it by default? |
| 19:00.52 | jga23 | I want to be able to boost canola |
| 19:01.06 | RST38h | General: brought as pets to US, then left running wild as owners get tired of them |
| 19:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 19:01.18 | liquid217_ | seems there was an ITT thread on it |
| 19:01.27 | RST38h | first burmese pythons, now these |
| 19:02.11 | RST38h | 'Of the pythons, he said: "To me, it's a wonderful introduction. I think it's the best thing to happen to the Everglades in the last 200 years."' <--- fuck, yes!!! |
| 19:02.33 | liquid217_ | jga23: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166215&postcount=18 |
| 19:02.42 | RST38h | still can't forget that picture of a python bursting in half while trying to swallow an alligator |
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| 19:02.59 | jga23 | liquid217_: perfect: thanks |
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| 19:07.00 | lcuk | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm |
| 19:07.04 | lcuk | snake alligator ^ |
| 19:07.19 | RST38h | yeah, that one |
| 19:07.23 | |Nazgul| | sorry |
| 19:07.32 | lcuk | result 1 for "snake alligator" ;) |
| 19:08.09 | |Nazgul| | a good how-to about ipv6 on maemo???? |
| 19:08.16 | |Nazgul| | sorry I'm italian |
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| 19:09.34 | lcuk | there was a guy in the news today caught with a 6foot croc on the parcel shelf of his car (driving down the highway) |
| 19:10.09 | lcuk | ^alligator |
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| 19:13.43 | rkeene | Does anyone know if the Nokia 770, N800, and N810 all share a common power connector and common power requirements ? |
| 19:15.26 | ||cw | rkeene: I think they do, same as the N-series phones |
| 19:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, they're all the same |
| 19:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | 770 and N800 have the same battery. |
| 19:17.57 | rkeene | GeneralAntilles, I'm not talking about the battery, talking about the DC connector to charge the battery. |
| 19:18.20 | AStorm | btw, what's the max current required by N810? |
| 19:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | [3:15pm] <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they're all the same |
| 19:18.32 | AStorm | rkeene: yes, 5V |
| 19:18.39 | AStorm | current might be diff |
| 19:18.53 | AStorm | but they're all driven by AC-4e |
| 19:18.56 | rkeene | GeneralAntilles, Right, but then you qualified it with information that led me to believe that you misunderstood the question (since the information was irrelevant) |
| 19:19.05 | AStorm | which is rated at 890 mA |
| 19:19.25 | rkeene | AStorm, So the physical connector is the same for all three ? Excellent. |
| 19:19.34 | AStorm | the q is: what's the true max current rating of the device? |
| 19:19.39 | AStorm | rkeene: aure |
| 19:19.55 | AStorm | but e.g. I have a charger rated at 650 mA |
| 19:20.00 | AStorm | and it has problems |
| 19:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | I have a charger rated at 380mA |
| 19:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine. |
| 19:21.35 | AStorm | when fully loading and charging battery? |
| 19:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure it doesn't charge when it's under load |
| 19:22.10 | GeneralAntilles | but it doesn't have any "problems" |
| 19:22.57 | AStorm | mhm |
| 19:22.58 | ||cw | what's USB power rated at? |
| 19:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | 500mA |
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| 19:24.21 | ||cw | 770's charger is rated at 890, but charges and runs fine off USB |
| 19:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | They all use the same charger |
| 19:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | The power usage on all three should be very similar. |
| 19:24.56 | ||cw | so just because the charger is rated at something high, doens't mean the device will ever draw that much |
| 19:24.59 | AStorm | ok, so it's at most 300 mA |
| 19:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | ||cw, I'll guarantee you it's not actually charging when it's under load at 500mA |
| 19:25.41 | GeneralAntilles | It'll supplement the AC power with battery power when it's under load. |
| 19:25.47 | AStorm | yup |
| 19:25.58 | ||cw | how often is it really under that much load |
| 19:26.00 | AStorm | that's why I want the full rating |
| 19:26.12 | GeneralAntilles | 890mA will definitely charge faster than 500mA, too. |
| 19:26.20 | AStorm | ||cw: possibly as long as you want it too |
| 19:26.27 | ||cw | realistically |
| 19:26.31 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: really? |
| 19:26.33 | GeneralAntilles | When you load a website. |
| 19:26.45 | ||cw | for all of 30 seconds, then 5 minutes to read it? |
| 19:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | Interestingly enough, yes, AStorm. |
| 19:26.58 | AStorm | ||cw: or when compiling |
| 19:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | Or playing Doom |
| 19:27.18 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: so, 500 mA is not enough, it's throttling charging |
| 19:27.25 | ||cw | sighs |
| 19:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 19:27.29 | ||cw | right, forgot where I was... |
| 19:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | It'll charge |
| 19:27.40 | AStorm | 650 mA is apparently not enough too |
| 19:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | I, too, would like some real power use figures, though, AStorm. |
| 19:27.51 | AStorm | the device is overloading the charger :P |
| 19:28.11 | AStorm | (the diode lights up more then, hehe) |
| 19:28.26 | AStorm | visible (charging) impulses |
| 19:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP at all cpu freq levels and max and minimum device levels. |
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| 19:28.54 | AStorm | ya |
| 19:29.03 | AStorm | we could measure that though |
| 19:29.15 | AStorm | need a miliamp meter though |
| 19:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | In particular, I want some hard figures to shoot down those Atom nuts with. :D |
| 19:29.35 | AStorm | guess I'll have to buy some cruddy one |
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| 19:31.00 | AStorm | alternatively, a sensitive energy counter |
| 19:31.25 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be more fun to go bash heads at Nokia and make them give us some numbers. |
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| 19:31.43 | AStorm | yup |
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| 19:38.45 | dreamerns | Does anyone know a good dictionary for maemo? |
| 19:39.00 | GeneralAntilles | sdict |
| 19:39.04 | AStorm | yup |
| 19:39.11 | dreamerns | With lots of words - 200000 |
| 19:39.21 | GeneralAntilles | or WhiteStork |
| 19:40.00 | AStorm | dreamerns: then write your own dict file |
| 19:40.55 | dreamerns | My friend needs something like miriam-webster for nokia n810 |
| 19:41.16 | dreamerns | It doesnt matter if its commercial |
| 19:41.17 | GeneralAntilles | The 1918 edition is public domain. |
| 19:41.29 | AStorm | the should use merriam-webster online dict :P |
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| 19:42.24 | dreamerns | Becouse of bad connections in serbia...he needs offline db |
| 19:42.45 | AStorm | hm, then aspell or sdict |
| 19:43.02 | lardman | about the power levels, it may be time consuming, but one could always fully charge then run until switch off and see how long it takes |
| 19:43.08 | AStorm | (aspell isn't the kind of dict you want) |
| 19:43.33 | AStorm | lardman: yeah, like with an energy counter |
| 19:43.50 | AStorm | but that wouldn't count battery charging |
| 19:43.55 | dreamerns | Ok...tnx i ll check it out |
| 19:44.00 | AStorm | so useless |
| 19:44.02 | RST38h | lardman: I think there is a conversion script from msdict into stardict format |
| 19:44.19 | RST38h | lardman: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look |
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| 19:44.49 | lardman | AStorm: true, it would be problematic if you wanted to determine the energy useage while charging, but working it out while on battery alone would be useful |
| 19:44.51 | AStorm | RST38h: missed :P |
| 19:44.57 | RST38h | s/lardman/deamerns/ |
| 19:44.58 | RST38h | yep |
| 19:45.31 | AStorm | lardman: battery is charging (with my shite charger) slower than discharging |
| 19:45.48 | RST38h | AStorm: should not happen |
| 19:45.51 | lardman | AStorm: you using a phone charger? |
| 19:46.35 | lardman | AStorm: my Nokia phone charger produces far fewer mA than my IT one, according to the label |
| 19:46.42 | AStorm | lardman: sure |
| 19:46.57 | AStorm | IT charger is AC-4e |
| 19:47.06 | AStorm | standard Nokia one |
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| 19:47.21 | AStorm | but better than my fake which is rated 650 mA |
| 19:47.48 | flo_lap | re |
| 19:48.24 | AStorm | fun part is that it drives that AC-4e to the max too |
| 19:48.30 | AStorm | it gets hot |
| 19:48.57 | AStorm | so, I think it might be even 1A peak or more |
| 19:49.16 | lardman | dunno where my phone charger's gone, but it was certainly rated at less than the IT ones |
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| 19:51.06 | RST38h | Something is majorly wrong there |
| 19:51.06 | RST38h | Nokia's charger barely gets hot after charging overnight here |
| 19:51.16 | AStorm | RST38h: ... it's hot while charging |
| 19:51.19 | AStorm | not after |
| 19:52.13 | lardman | RST38h: mine are generally warm, but then I always ignore the message to unplug |
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| 19:52.39 | RST38h | It is charging now - it is a bit warm to the touch (just checked) but not hot |
| 19:53.02 | RST38h | BTW, I have ACP-12e charging my phone close by, and they are about the same temperature |
| 19:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | They switch off when not in use. |
| 19:53.14 | RST38h | General: Actually, they do not =( |
| 19:53.30 | RST38h | Not these, anyway |
| 19:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | Mine do. |
| 19:54.07 | RST38h | The device itself will shut battery off to prevent overcharging, but the power supply will continue draining current (less of it of course) |
| 19:54.07 | AStorm | RST38h: exactly |
| 19:54.18 | AStorm | it shouldn't get that warm |
| 19:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | When not plugged into a device. |
| 19:54.43 | RST38h | Yes, even when not plugged into a device |
| 19:54.50 | KotCzarny | http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.04.18/fnp5.jpg |
| 19:54.52 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 19:55.08 | KotCzarny | hi everyone |
| 19:55.12 | AStorm | RST38h: AC-8 is supposedly very efficient in that case |
| 19:55.13 | RST38h | heheh |
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| 19:55.18 | AStorm | but expensive |
| 19:55.27 | lardman | bloody computer crashed |
| 19:55.46 | KotCzarny | bloody? O.o |
| 19:56.04 | lardman | you reckon the blood doesn't help? |
| 19:56.22 | lardman | ;) |
| 19:56.22 | KotCzarny | imagined blood on lardman's comp |
| 19:56.39 | AStorm | satan's machine! |
| 19:56.47 | lardman | nah, desk is too wide so I can't hit my head on the monitor as I curse it |
| 19:56.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:56.59 | RST38h | lardman: use tools |
| 19:57.20 | RST38h | a set of decorative antlers may be of some use for example |
| 19:57.27 | lardman | RST38h: I blame mixing nVidia graphics cards |
| 19:57.36 | AStorm | heheh |
| 19:57.44 | RST38h | has never had an nVidia graphics card |
| 19:58.09 | KotCzarny | had gf2mx400 and gf3ti400 |
| 19:58.14 | KotCzarny | nice for nwn |
| 19:58.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:58.21 | RST38h | Trident Video Accelerator Cyber-XP4 ! |
| 19:58.30 | lardman | 7300 and 7800 work fine on their own, just not together |
| 19:58.36 | RST38h | I wonder why they did not put quotes around "accelerator"... |
| 19:59.21 | lardman | Anyway, time for some TV, before back to the DSP |
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| 20:01.55 | lcuk | yawns and stretches |
| 20:02.08 | Navi | pats lcuk on the back |
| 20:02.25 | lcuk | im just glad another week is over |
| 20:02.32 | Navi | I'm not |
| 20:02.48 | lcuk | no, cos now the real hard work starts |
| 20:02.54 | Navi | Next week, I have an essay, C++ project, and two exams due |
| 20:03.01 | lcuk | who can i post my laptop to to get it working |
| 20:03.20 | KotCzarny | me |
| 20:03.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:03.22 | lcuk | 4 or so weeks ill be stood up infront of (possibly) some of you lot talking about maemo |
| 20:03.35 | Navi | Whatcha gunna talks aboot? |
| 20:03.38 | lcuk | and i want my code to work before then |
| 20:03.44 | rkeene | AStorm, GeneralAntilles: The power connector for the Nokia 770, and N800 are different - btw |
| 20:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | No, they aren't. |
| 20:03.53 | Navi | would go if he lived on that continent |
| 20:03.58 | lcuk | platform choice, what made me (as a none tableteer) jump on this bandwagon |
| 20:04.09 | Navi | sexy |
| 20:04.15 | lcuk | and the alternatives i looked at first |
| 20:04.18 | Navi | I'll tell you what made me jump on it |
| 20:04.26 | Navi | It's a cool story |
| 20:04.44 | lcuk | go for it :) im also discussing you lot :P |
| 20:04.47 | Navi | My mom was being laid off from a Nokia assembly plant in Texas |
| 20:05.14 | Navi | they were selling phones for cheap, the newer ones like the N80 at the time for about fifty bucks |
| 20:06.10 | Navi | They were selling the 770s for 20 bucks, but my mom accidentally got the 770's predecessor instead |
| 20:06.16 | Navi | which sucked, btw. |
| 20:06.22 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 20:06.27 | lcuk | there was something before the 770? |
| 20:06.29 | lcuk | :( @ job loss. hope shes sorted now. bonus at cheap tech :D |
| 20:06.31 | KotCzarny | 770 for a 20$? |
| 20:06.31 | Navi | Something like it |
| 20:06.33 | KotCzarny | i would hit it |
| 20:06.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:06.39 | KotCzarny | ~10 of them |
| 20:06.42 | GeneralAntilles | 7710 |
| 20:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | S90 |
| 20:06.50 | Navi | It was a symbian phone |
| 20:06.51 | KotCzarny | great for multiplayer |
| 20:06.51 | Navi | yeah |
| 20:06.53 | lcuk | i would have 1000 and rule the world |
| 20:06.59 | lcuk | video wall :D |
| 20:07.00 | Navi | Limit: One per person |
| 20:07.09 | KotCzarny | one person or one family? |
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| 20:07.13 | lcuk | i am 10 men |
| 20:07.22 | Navi | one per person working there |
| 20:07.25 | lcuk | (im not really, im a 7 stone weekling :S) |
| 20:07.29 | Navi | She was a key op |
| 20:07.29 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:07.36 | lcuk | with an a |
| 20:07.38 | Navi | which was semi cool |
| 20:07.42 | KotCzarny | still, nice deal |
| 20:07.50 | Navi | This was a yearish ago |
| 20:08.07 | Navi | so 20 for a 770 was a good deal |
| 20:08.12 | Navi | I didn't get one though :P |
| 20:08.43 | KotCzarny | you got 2? :P |
| 20:08.52 | Navi | I did research, found out it was teh Linux (being the advocate I am, had to have one). |
| 20:09.00 | Navi | Fast forward a year, and I bought an N800 |
| 20:09.16 | Navi | and threw bricks at KotCzarny because he doesn't follow very well. |
| 20:09.23 | KotCzarny | i do |
| 20:09.33 | KotCzarny | i was just tricking you to sidestep from a story |
| 20:09.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:10.09 | lcuk | cool navi :) |
| 20:10.28 | Navi | She still doesn't have a job :( |
| 20:10.29 | lcuk | i have been tryign to kickstart my touch habit for years |
| 20:10.34 | lcuk | :( @ mum |
| 20:10.48 | KotCzarny | 'touch habit' o.O |
| 20:11.06 | KotCzarny | this channel is full of pervs |
| 20:11.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:11.26 | lcuk | yes :) |
| 20:11.47 | KotCzarny | nokia should put a 'touch me' sticker on the screen |
| 20:11.49 | KotCzarny | or box |
| 20:11.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:12.01 | lcuk | ive been trying for years to get something nice and touchable, it essentially started iwth the SPECTRUM - it had a lightpen interface which i fell in love with |
| 20:12.13 | lcuk | but my friend needed it back and that was that :( |
| 20:12.23 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 20:12.44 | KotCzarny | lightpen, is it similiar to 8bit atari lightgun ? |
| 20:12.47 | lcuk | anyway, fast foreward a number of years - light pens went away and tablets became horrendously expensive |
| 20:13.12 | lcuk | same idea, its got an ldr in the tip and it watched for the scanbeam |
| 20:13.19 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 20:13.38 | KotCzarny | there was a trick to just point the gun at a lamp an you would have 100% accuracy |
| 20:13.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:14.10 | lcuk | anyway, picked up a number of drawing tablet things and played with those starting to get some ideas |
| 20:14.42 | lcuk | got a pda which was cack and low resolution but did enough for me to use it (plus it was slow and only really ran MS .shit compact thingy) |
| 20:15.24 | lcuk | then all of a sudden last year, all these cheap speedy hand held devices came out - there are a few archos devices, the iphone/ipod etc |
| 20:15.38 | AStorm | and IT :P |
| 20:15.39 | lcuk | i'd seen the 800 but it didnt appeal |
| 20:16.18 | lcuk | form factor looked off - the 770 was nicer but at the time mony was tighter so it wasnt investigated quite as fully |
| 20:16.49 | lcuk | anyway, engadget had an article announcing the 810. i think i almost wet myself |
| 20:16.55 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 20:16.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:17.04 | lcuk | it looked perfect :) |
| 20:17.07 | lcuk | it looked fast :) |
| 20:17.12 | lcuk | it ran linux :) |
| 20:17.41 | KotCzarny | i got it because it ran linux and was cheap enough to try |
| 20:17.44 | lcuk | i had to have it. no matter what. it was more expensive than the archos, but it was open. it also had buttons on the facia to do stuff |
| 20:17.47 | KotCzarny | (150$ secondhand) |
| 20:17.52 | KotCzarny | (n800) |
| 20:18.21 | lcuk | i was coming down on the ipod before i had seen it, but the resolution of 810 blew me away |
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| 20:18.44 | lcuk | so, ive got my 810 |
| 20:18.57 | lcuk | and it will do exactly what i want it to do :) |
| 20:19.09 | lcuk | no other device could give me that |
| 20:19.24 | KotCzarny | yet |
| 20:19.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:20.09 | voodoo_laptop | anyone here uk based and knows where i can get an 8gb card? |
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| 20:20.33 | lcuk | linux & development has been tough though. the learning curve has been immense, but that comes from being shielded inside vb for so long |
| 20:20.42 | KotCzarny | voodoo: online shop |
| 20:21.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but once you're there, you love it :) |
| 20:22.00 | lcuk | voodoo scan in bolton: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=743956 |
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| 20:22.20 | lcuk | its the most intense game i have ever played. i'm playing for my future |
| 20:22.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:22.55 | voodoo_laptop | the end game boss for that game is impossible |
| 20:23.16 | lcuk | voodoo_laptop, that 8gb card is microsd, check if the adapter it comes with is mini |
| 20:23.42 | lcuk | and the game is worth playing, im leveling up nicely |
| 20:23.44 | voodoo_laptop | i have a mini/micro adapter somewhere |
| 20:24.02 | lcuk | might be worth taking 810 with you and testing in store first |
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| 20:24.08 | lcuk | or are you miles away |
| 20:25.22 | KotCzarny | he didn't say he has 810.. i think |
| 20:25.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:25.23 | voodoo_laptop | well i havnt got my 810 yet cause play.com have messed me about |
| 20:25.28 | lcuk | KotCzarny, i think i play the game a little differently to other people. but as long as it gets intended results i dont mind |
| 20:25.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:25.43 | lcuk | i got mine direct from nokia - i HAD to have it before xmas |
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| 20:37.43 | RST38h | Going to reboot into Linux and upload some packages into extras... |
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| 20:40.33 | flyguy | I am using Chinook 4.0.1, everytime I quit my program it gives a memory map and then says core dumped. Is this anything to worry about? |
| 20:40.46 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 20:40.50 | KotCzarny | notify the author |
| 20:41.03 | RST38h | He said *my* program =) |
| 20:41.10 | KotCzarny | ah, morning reading |
| 20:41.11 | KotCzarny | sorry |
| 20:41.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:42.16 | flyguy | here is *my* program http://rafb.net/p/L8sMOo63.html |
| 20:42.40 | Cptnodegard | http://thepiratebay.org/ LMAO @ logo |
| 20:43.30 | flyguy | is there anything glaringly wrong, it will eventually be a flash card program for my kids to learn their vocab words |
| 20:44.31 | KotCzarny | flyguy: have you considered pygtk ? |
| 20:45.05 | flyguy | never programmed in python, but yes, though of giving it a go |
| 20:45.26 | flyguy | thought |
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| 20:46.31 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:48.34 | KotCzarny | nothing glaringly suspicious |
| 20:49.10 | RST38h | flyguy: you are probably not shutting down gtk correctly |
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| 20:50.11 | flyguy | sorry, have to pick up my kid from school be back in 10 |
| 20:52.25 | RST38h | f;lyguyL you are not doing gtk_init |
| 20:52.45 | RST38h | that may be the reason why it is getting problems later |
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| 21:08.33 | flyguy | RST38h: I do my gtk_init on line 52 |
| 21:08.40 | RST38h | ok, see it |
| 21:09.25 | KotCzarny | flyguy, try this program on pc? |
| 21:09.34 | KotCzarny | (without hildon stuff of course) |
| 21:11.58 | lardman|tv | night all |
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| 21:14.11 | flyguy | KotCzarny: Everything terminated as expected, nothing out of the ordinary |
| 21:14.35 | flyguy | seems like it must be a Chinook thing |
| 21:14.55 | KotCzarny | try commenting out hildon stuff then? |
| 21:15.17 | KotCzarny | program will work and you will investigate it sometime later |
| 21:15.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:15.19 | flyguy | sorry, my post was clear as mud, everything worked as expected |
| 21:15.43 | KotCzarny | nvm |
| 21:15.50 | flyguy | termination happened as expected, no memeory dump or anything |
| 21:15.53 | flyguy | nvm?? |
| 21:16.17 | lcuk | nevermind - i think you 2 are getting a bit confused. |
| 21:16.27 | RST38h | flyguy: so, what was it? |
| 21:16.28 | lcuk | on the big pc, you already just took out the hildon stuff to test didnt you |
| 21:16.53 | flyguy | yes, on my desktop no errors or crazy memory dumps |
| 21:17.05 | flyguy | everything works as expected |
| 21:17.09 | lcuk | so, now take that same source and compile for armel as kot suggested |
| 21:17.21 | RST38h | aha |
| 21:17.22 | lcuk | this should still work, except it wont have hildon specific bits |
| 21:17.38 | lcuk | test if it crashes that way.. |
| 21:18.00 | RST38h | if it still fails on the device, try commenting out some of the widgets and see which one causes the problem |
| 21:18.33 | lcuk | this is like "if the computer is still failing, take out each peripheral until you find the one that is borkening it" |
| 21:18.59 | lcuk | once went all the way to the cpu before giving up |
| 21:19.05 | flyguy | I will definently do that, I will have to learn how to compile with armel, this is my first attempt at programming for my nokia |
| 21:19.27 | KotCzarny | flyguy: the same way you do on linux pc |
| 21:19.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:20.02 | flyguy | I still don't fully understand the target construct, need to do some more reading |
| 21:20.13 | lcuk | is still reading |
| 21:20.19 | KotCzarny | is still playing |
| 21:20.24 | RST38h | flyguy: you may want to use maemosdk instead of the original sdk |
| 21:20.26 | KotCzarny | i'm on disc3 though |
| 21:20.34 | KotCzarny | so it shouldn't be long |
| 21:20.34 | RST38h | It is way more straightforward |
| 21:20.50 | RST38h | maemosdk+, I wanted to say |
| 21:20.50 | lcuk | floppy disk kot? |
| 21:20.58 | KotCzarny | iso image |
| 21:20.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:21.16 | KotCzarny | imagines psx games on a floppy games |
| 21:21.19 | flyguy | No I am confused, I downloaded Chinook from the maemo web site, thought that was the sdk |
| 21:21.42 | KotCzarny | 'new! multifloppy reader!' |
| 21:21.47 | RST38h | Ok, there are two SDKs |
| 21:21.53 | KotCzarny | 'now insert floppies 16-24 and 32-40 |
| 21:22.15 | RST38h | One is the MaemoSDK (Chinook aka 4.0) that you can download off Maemo site |
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| 21:22.44 | RST38h | It is based on ScratchBox1 (SB1) and that is basically a quasi-virtual Linux inside your Linux |
| 21:22.52 | RST38h | Very cumbersome and quirky |
| 21:22.56 | KotCzarny | but works |
| 21:23.00 | KotCzarny | for me at least |
| 21:23.09 | RST38h | But there is also MaemoSDK+ based on ScratchBox2 (SB2) |
| 21:23.11 | lcuk | if you are unsure, the simplest method to get started is to see the SDK in place in a live linux system. there is a maemovmware image around which has everything preconfigured and runnable |
| 21:23.17 | RST38h | This one works a bit differently |
| 21:23.22 | KotCzarny | and i like scratchbox's ability to have multiple targets |
| 21:23.36 | KotCzarny | so i can play with misc libs/gccs without breaking everything |
| 21:23.42 | RST38h | Instead of logging into a virtual Linux, you prepend all your commands with sb2 and they compile for your target machine |
| 21:24.27 | RST38h | SB1 worked for me as well, but it was clunky and ate almost all of the Linux partition |
| 21:24.41 | flyguy | RST38h: so gcc would be something like sb2-gcc |
| 21:24.49 | KotCzarny | i had a spare 40gb disk with badblocks |
| 21:24.51 | RST38h | It will be sb2 gcc *.c |
| 21:24.59 | flyguy | and I can do everything from normal command line |
| 21:24.59 | KotCzarny | so space isn't a concern for me |
| 21:25.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:25.08 | RST38h | My whole disk drive is 30GB |
| 21:25.16 | RST38h | And most of it is taken by XP |
| 21:25.20 | KotCzarny | heheheh |
| 21:25.27 | RST38h | flyguy: yep |
| 21:25.55 | RST38h | flyguy: The drawback is that you can't debug on your PC, you have to transfer stuff to the tablet |
| 21:26.10 | RST38h | But I am doing it anyway, so it does not matter for me |
| 21:26.11 | flyguy | As a side I truly hate XP and Vista is just a lazy out of work version of XP, just sits on its ass all day doing nothing of any use |
| 21:27.07 | flyguy | RST38h: I am still very new to programming so I will probably have to stick with chinook |
| 21:27.13 | lcuk | you are right, if you have got a computer sitting around trying to look pretty with nothing running then you would be better saving the environment and turning it off |
| 21:27.23 | RST38h | flyguy: Both of the SDKs are for chinook |
| 21:27.25 | lcuk | as for myself i keep whichever OS i am running in busy :) |
| 21:27.50 | RST38h | Chinook (or OS2008) is basically the current version of Linux-based OS running inside your tablet |
| 21:28.05 | flyguy | I have a buddy at work how is well versed in Windows and networking but still can't get his xp and vista machine talking |
| 21:28.38 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 21:28.39 | flyguy | who not how, great typing |
| 21:28.40 | lcuk | flyguy, the scratchbox (original) toolchain, and the newer sb2 toolchain both end up with the same executable built for nokia os2008(chinook).. |
| 21:28.43 | KotCzarny | i'm well versed with linux |
| 21:29.02 | KotCzarny | and made vis/xp/lin talking to each over easily |
| 21:29.09 | KotCzarny | just turn of firewalls in windows |
| 21:29.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 21:29.15 | KotCzarny | *off |
| 21:29.21 | RST38h | Linux isn't exactly a brilliant either... |
| 21:29.26 | flyguy | I might try the sb2 toolchain |
| 21:29.53 | KotCzarny | rst38h: i would prefer linux everyday over windows |
| 21:29.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:29.56 | flyguy | at least linux is free, how much do you have to pay for that sad execuse of an operating system now?? 200 |
| 21:30.04 | Veggen | RST38h: all oSes suck, but some more than others :) |
| 21:30.15 | RST38h | Compared to BSDs, it feels like a toy, although I have to admit that the latest Ubuntu versions are pretty decent toys |
| 21:30.25 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 21:30.26 | lcuk | flyguy, most people do not directly pay for their OS. |
| 21:30.36 | KotCzarny | rst, bsds have their own quirks |
| 21:30.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:30.51 | Cptnodegard | most people dont even indirectly pay for their OSes :p |
| 21:30.52 | lcuk | the cost of linux is irrelivent because the only way its going to take off is if its on the machine (ala 8x0 and eee) |
| 21:30.58 | RST38h | Kot: Aside from being dumb, no quirks |
| 21:31.00 | flyguy | You may not pay for the actual OS but how much do you pay for userland apps |
| 21:31.14 | lcuk | whats wrong with buying a linux product? |
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| 21:31.31 | KotCzarny | nothing |
| 21:31.38 | KotCzarny | assuming it does what it has to do |
| 21:31.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:31.41 | lcuk | if i want to play doom 2009 super dark edition on linux i do not expect to get it for free |
| 21:32.17 | flyguy | True but how much should you pay to keep track of your finances or write a term paper |
| 21:32.31 | lcuk | i pay what i feel it is worth and available for |
| 21:32.39 | KotCzarny | free market |
| 21:32.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:32.51 | lcuk | open office works because its a community effort |
| 21:33.09 | KotCzarny | lcuk, OOo was a closed product at first, i think |
| 21:33.11 | lcuk | i dont expect people to help me write doom (though some game makers do) |
| 21:33.21 | Proteous_ | gnucash ftw |
| 21:33.38 | RST38h | free/non-free makes no difference in the real world |
| 21:33.39 | lcuk | also, with open office, if i find a problem i can try and fix it |
| 21:33.57 | KotCzarny | or at least find a person who can |
| 21:33.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:33.59 | RST38h | only open source fanatics are interested in this distinction |
| 21:34.04 | lcuk | or pay someone to fix it |
| 21:34.06 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:34.06 | flyguy | I don't care how open it is, my concern is price |
| 21:34.08 | Veggen | price has nothing to do with it. really. |
| 21:34.10 | lcuk | bounties are great |
| 21:34.17 | KotCzarny | flyguy: not true |
| 21:34.21 | RST38h | For an average person, the only thing that matters is value vs price |
| 21:34.26 | KotCzarny | if it's 'free' but snoops your data |
| 21:34.27 | lcuk | flyguy, now, its not just price surely |
| 21:34.30 | KotCzarny | or displays ads.. |
| 21:34.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:34.43 | KotCzarny | i would hate such app |
| 21:34.48 | RST38h | Kot: The funny thing is, a lot of non-free apps snoop and display ads now |
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| 21:34.55 | flyguy | ads don't bother me but I would agree with the snoops |
| 21:35.00 | KotCzarny | rst: none that i use :) |
| 21:35.03 | lcuk | then you are free to go elsewhere |
| 21:35.03 | KotCzarny | (i believe) |
| 21:35.14 | RST38h | Kot: Same here (everything sanitized) but still |
| 21:35.47 | KotCzarny | and i hate marketing scams |
| 21:36.05 | flyguy | aren't all you windows users sick of there new crapy interface, i hate eye candy for the sake of eye candy |
| 21:36.10 | KotCzarny | with apps doing less or worse showing higher in search engines than free or better equivalents |
| 21:36.11 | lcuk | how do you find time to sanitize and scrutinize everything? |
| 21:36.13 | flyguy | I feel the same about compiz |
| 21:36.22 | KotCzarny | i like eye candies |
| 21:36.27 | lcuk | flyguy, some are, but some don't know any different |
| 21:36.32 | KotCzarny | but after a few days i turn them off |
| 21:36.40 | KotCzarny | though it's nice to show off sometimes |
| 21:36.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:36.48 | RST38h | lcuk: Does not take much time, there are programs for that |
| 21:37.16 | lcuk | ? like what, may be useful |
| 21:37.22 | KotCzarny | iptables |
| 21:37.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:37.25 | lcuk | gives out info in source code |
| 21:37.55 | RST38h | lcuk: on Windows, start with HijackThis |
| 21:38.03 | flyguy | Kot: you watch the logs?? |
| 21:38.07 | lcuk | but that doesnt sanitize the data? |
| 21:38.12 | KotCzarny | sometimes |
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| 21:38.28 | RST38h | data does not get executed |
| 21:38.39 | KotCzarny | rst38h: not true ;) |
| 21:38.44 | lcuk | that just allows me as an admin to confirm i still have a clean ship, what happens if microsoft updates a legit program and wants to send data, or any one of the 400 or so programs installed? |
| 21:39.09 | RST38h | lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap |
| 21:39.23 | RST38h | lcuk: And it does send data. |
| 21:39.31 | flyguy | how do you all feel about activating products you paid for |
| 21:39.42 | RST38h | lcuk: Second, you are unlikely to have 400 programs installed. You probably have at most 20-30 |
| 21:39.43 | lcuk | yes, do you know what data? do you check everytime? |
| 21:39.54 | RST38h | I do not |
| 21:39.56 | LinuxCode | [22:39] RST38h lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap |
| 21:40.06 | LinuxCode | it also used to break other peoples crap...on purpose |
| 21:40.07 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:40.14 | RST38h | Yea, but not directly |
| 21:40.23 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:40.29 | RST38h | lcuk: With Microsoft there is not much I can do |
| 21:40.38 | lcuk | program files contains 134 folders |
| 21:40.39 | LinuxCode | I would beg to differ.... IBM Vs Microsoft |
| 21:40.50 | RST38h | lcuk: With the normal apps though, if an app sends ANYTHING outside, I delete it |
| 21:41.08 | RST38h | lcuk: Are you using all 134 aps? |
| 21:41.09 | LinuxCode | ohh Im in maemo...thought this was fedora lol |
| 21:41.14 | LinuxCode | btw hi lcuk ;-D |
| 21:41.20 | lcuk | i doubt thats everything, but yer at different times |
| 21:41.27 | lcuk | hi there LinuxCode not spoke in a whil;e |
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| 21:41.40 | flyguy | why does every hate on fedora |
| 21:41.40 | LinuxCode | yes I had my final year project to get rid of |
| 21:41.47 | LinuxCode | still got work to do mind |
| 21:41.52 | flyguy | everyone |
| 21:41.52 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 21:42.03 | LinuxCode | flyguy, Im using it |
| 21:42.05 | KotCzarny | because fedora behaves like a mad experimentator |
| 21:42.11 | LinuxCode | so again..I beg to differ |
| 21:42.16 | RST38h | Fedora is a pile of steaming shit |
| 21:42.17 | KotCzarny | and breakes sometimes stuff in the process |
| 21:42.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:42.32 | LinuxCode | RST38h, so are most irc users |
| 21:42.34 | RST38h | Same goes for RedHat proper, only that one also costs money |
| 21:42.39 | LinuxCode | yet we all spend time on it |
| 21:42.47 | flyguy | I have ran Fedora for about 6 years still no major problems |
| 21:42.51 | lcuk | RST38h, there are a lot more things installed both within the folder and outside it - i cull pretty often, but it is a bit of a monster |
| 21:42.53 | LinuxCode | flyguy, same |
| 21:43.09 | flyguy | LinuxCode: first version?? |
| 21:43.09 | LinuxCode | even longer |
| 21:43.13 | LinuxCode | yes |
| 21:43.19 | LinuxCode | redhat 9 before that |
| 21:43.19 | RST38h | lcuk: You probably aren't using all 136 apps |
| 21:43.21 | flyguy | nice, for me FC3 |
| 21:43.36 | RST38h | Our CS department had RedHat, with a corporte support contract |
| 21:43.36 | flyguy | really excited for 9 |
| 21:43.45 | LinuxCode | flyguy, ou should be |
| 21:43.47 | LinuxCode | you |
| 21:43.56 | LinuxCode | as long as all features make it in |
| 21:44.11 | lcuk | RST38h, im probably not, but my missus might be using some of them and my sons |
| 21:44.16 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (i=ehs1@kde/hein) |
| 21:44.20 | RST38h | One of the "nice" things RedHat did was random NFS hangups, where it managed to corrupt open files on the server |
| 21:44.33 | LinuxCode | *did* |
| 21:44.34 | flyguy | bluetooth support looks to be greatly improved looking forward to screwing around with my phone through fedora |
| 21:44.39 | LinuxCode | that makes it past tense |
| 21:44.40 | lcuk | but i do clean it out - this system has only been installed since 2005 |
| 21:44.52 | LinuxCode | nfs bugs are not specific to a distro |
| 21:44.52 | RST38h | lcuk: Delete everything, take installation rights from them, then install what they ask you to |
| 21:44.54 | RST38h | =) |
| 21:45.07 | lcuk | they never install anything - i do it all |
| 21:45.12 | RST38h | Linux: maybe it still does, who knows? |
| 21:45.14 | LinuxCode | flyguy, its alreayd good in f8 |
| 21:45.18 | lcuk | but they ask for things and i oblige, whats the big deal?> |
| 21:45.22 | RST38h | Linux: I ended up on a Solaris machine |
| 21:45.29 | LinuxCode | well good for you |
| 21:45.30 | flyguy | have problems with my LG az8600 |
| 21:45.34 | flyguy | ax6800 even |
| 21:45.41 | flyguy | ax8600 even |
| 21:45.52 | LinuxCode | sun just bought mysql and promptly will make stuff closed source |
| 21:45.54 | RST38h | Linux: Told them that they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands |
| 21:46.00 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 21:46.03 | LinuxCode | just shows how much I dont like them ... |
| 21:46.03 | KotCzarny | let's hope for a fork |
| 21:46.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.29 | lcuk | LinuxCode, no they wont. they have a couple of closed source apps which utilise the open source mysql core functions |
| 21:46.33 | LinuxCode | KotCzarny, theres always postrgesql , if nothing else goes.. |
| 21:46.46 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 21:46.50 | LinuxCode | lcuk, k |
| 21:47.09 | lcuk | thinks that is a viable model |
| 21:47.13 | flyguy | mysql, not that impressed. postgres or sqlite |
| 21:47.14 | LinuxCode | i knew the enterprise version always was kinda closed/support only or whatever |
| 21:47.42 | lcuk | yes exactly, you may get other things if you go down that route, but the database as it stands now is OSS and proud |
| 21:47.52 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 21:48.12 | LinuxCode | yeh if they did the community version in....they would kill off 90% of their custom |
| 21:48.17 | LinuxCode | people would get soo angry |
| 21:48.24 | LinuxCode | never buy/use sun products again |
| 21:48.29 | lcuk | word of mouth is the biggest benefit |
| 21:48.40 | flyguy | sun = little microsoft |
| 21:48.49 | lcuk | people don't buy/use sun products normally anyway ;) (apart from the coffee thing) |
| 21:48.53 | LinuxCode | flyguy, i dont agree with that |
| 21:49.13 | LinuxCode | they have and support many OSS projects |
| 21:49.33 | flyguy | sun is doing what microsoft did, buy out competition but they went to the one place microsoft didn't OSS |
| 21:49.36 | LinuxCode | its a hybrid business model...just like Nokia with the Nxxx |
| 21:50.06 | KotCzarny | flyguy: either that or leaving those buyoutcompetition to others |
| 21:50.08 | LinuxCode | anyway |
| 21:50.17 | LinuxCode | im not here to discuss or argue or whatever |
| 21:50.24 | LinuxCode | lcuk, whats new mate ? |
| 21:50.30 | KotCzarny | lc: you already did ;) |
| 21:50.38 | LinuxCode | KotCzarny, I know.... |
| 21:50.39 | LinuxCode | ;-[ |
| 21:50.42 | lcuk | well.. ive been invited to linuxtag to speak :) |
| 21:50.44 | LinuxCode | got drawn in |
| 21:50.49 | KotCzarny | yeah.. internet |
| 21:50.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:50.52 | LinuxCode | cool |
| 21:51.03 | lcuk | and ive finally got over my code phobia. ive started coding properly now |
| 21:51.08 | LinuxCode | lcuk, anything new n810 wise.. ? appz and stuff ? |
| 21:51.12 | LinuxCode | I havent checked lately |
| 21:51.19 | LinuxCode | hahaha |
| 21:51.23 | lcuk | go find numptyphysics |
| 21:51.25 | LinuxCode | lcuk, glad to hear that |
| 21:51.31 | LinuxCode | whats that ? |
| 21:51.52 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 21:51.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:52.08 | KotCzarny | candy for a brain |
| 21:52.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:53.08 | LinuxCode | have to write a report until monday ..meh |
| 21:53.41 | KotCzarny | 3 days |
| 21:53.44 | KotCzarny | lots of time |
| 21:53.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:53.45 | LinuxCode | I cant wait until Uni is over... |
| 21:53.54 | LinuxCode | I want to rejoin the real world |
| 21:54.05 | LinuxCode | some of the stuff I handed in for Uni.... |
| 21:54.10 | LinuxCode | would have gotten me the sack |
| 21:54.13 | LinuxCode | in real life |
| 21:54.15 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:54.24 | LinuxCode | its so ridiculous haha |
| 21:54.42 | ||cw | yeah, tell me about it |
| 21:54.43 | LinuxCode | or worse.... servers would have gotten sploited |
| 21:54.51 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 21:54.59 | KotCzarny | deadlines |
| 21:55.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.08 | LinuxCode | but all that counts....is citations... |
| 21:55.13 | flyguy | is there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a strut to a function |
| 21:55.15 | lcuk | uni is for learning :) enjoy it while you can and take the lessons with you |
| 21:55.15 | LinuxCode | shakes head |
| 21:55.28 | LinuxCode | lcuk, hehe |
| 21:55.35 | LinuxCode | lcuk, im quite happy to learn... |
| 21:55.39 | flyguy | is there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a struct to a function? |
| 21:55.46 | LinuxCode | im not happy to theorize about it |
| 21:55.48 | flyguy | i suck at spelling today |
| 21:55.58 | LinuxCode | and write long meaningless reports |
| 21:56.04 | LinuxCode | id rather just do "it" |
| 21:56.12 | lcuk | array of char arrays? you mean a pointer to a char pointer? or actual mrmory |
| 21:56.23 | flyguy | pointer |
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| 21:56.45 | lcuk | then cant you just myfunc(char **strings) |
| 21:57.04 | flyguy | array, sorry |
| 21:57.11 | LinuxCode | pointer to a pointer ..fun |
| 21:57.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:57.17 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:57.21 | KotCzarny | pointers are fun |
| 21:57.26 | flyguy | hate pointers |
| 21:57.29 | lcuk | while(one=*strings++){ ... } |
| 21:57.32 | LinuxCode | thats where real pleasure starts |
| 21:57.51 | KotCzarny | operations on pointers are fun too |
| 21:57.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:58.02 | lcuk | flyguy, for most purposes you dont need to send the entire data on the stack |
| 21:59.08 | flyguy | I somehow have to get a list of words to my function and be able to modify the list, prefer using a vector but I wen to hell and back trying to get that to work |
| 22:00.03 | lcuk | this is prob where your code is failing and blowing up. mixing constant data (strings in "source") and modifying it blows you up |
| 22:00.41 | flyguy | lcuk: modifing it as in popping the to off a vector, not the actual contents |
| 22:01.09 | LinuxCode | flyguy, simplicity = securer code |
| 22:01.10 | flyguy | thought of using an array with a variable to keep track of index |
| 22:01.15 | lcuk | you're talking c++ now arent u |
| 22:01.28 | flyguy | no, this is part of my flash card program for my kid |
| 22:01.36 | lcuk | that you pasted earlier |
| 22:01.54 | flyguy | I'm actually a metrologist by trade (science of weights and measure not weather) |
| 22:02.01 | flyguy | lcuk, yes |
| 22:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't there already a flash card program available? |
| 22:02.33 | flyguy | graduated from college a couple years ago |
| 22:02.37 | lcuk | yes, and theres also a book reader ;) |
| 22:02.45 | LinuxCode | indeed |
| 22:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, not the same situation, lcuk. |
| 22:02.54 | LinuxCode | got both installed |
| 22:03.12 | flyguy | General: trying to make one so I can control background color |
| 22:03.13 | KotCzarny | frlyguy: there is already flashcards app |
| 22:03.22 | KotCzarny | you aren't satisfied with it? |
| 22:03.33 | lcuk | yes it is, the guy wants to write a program for his kid. commendable, good way to learn is to have something you are interested in |
| 22:03.46 | LinuxCode | agreed |
| 22:03.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:03.56 | flyguy | my kid is in Kindegarden, needs to have different background based on type of card |
| 22:03.57 | KotCzarny | if one have time for it.. :) |
| 22:04.06 | flyguy | phonics or other |
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| 22:04.09 | KotCzarny | *has |
| 22:04.09 | LinuxCode | and if it potentially benefits the community |
| 22:04.22 | LinuxCode | even better |
| 22:04.24 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 22:04.26 | KotCzarny | i think the most important factor is time |
| 22:04.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:05.00 | KotCzarny | darn, it's hot today.. 27C |
| 22:05.01 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 22:05.07 | flyguy | time is not a factor for me, I have two kids behind this one so I would like to make a solid app that can be extended as needed |
| 22:05.11 | lcuk | :O holy mother of |
| 22:05.16 | flyguy | anyone from england here? |
| 22:05.20 | LinuxCode | KotCzarny, texas ? |
| 22:05.23 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:05.24 | lcuk | puts his hand up |
| 22:05.25 | LinuxCode | flyguy, yep |
| 22:05.25 | KotCzarny | nyc area |
| 22:05.47 | flyguy | what the weather like, i might be moving to england |
| 22:05.54 | LinuxCode | also lifts his hand up |
| 22:06.02 | LinuxCode | 8C |
| 22:06.04 | lcuk | dont move to england just yet, i think germany farted |
| 22:06.04 | LinuxCode | cloudy |
| 22:06.10 | flyguy | that frickin cold |
| 22:06.13 | LinuxCode | lcuk, loooool |
| 22:06.18 | flyguy | it was 86 today |
| 22:06.25 | LinuxCode | you got hit with the bad smells huh ? |
| 22:06.25 | flyguy | new mexico |
| 22:06.30 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 22:06.34 | LinuxCode | points and laughs |
| 22:06.47 | lcuk | nope, but i used to live downwind from a farm so i sympathise |
| 22:06.49 | LinuxCode | apparently they will linger for a fe days too |
| 22:06.56 | LinuxCode | few* |
| 22:06.58 | LinuxCode | haha k |
| 22:07.04 | KotCzarny | eheheh |
| 22:07.22 | KotCzarny | lived in the vicinity milk processing factory |
| 22:07.22 | flyguy | LinuxCode: how are americans treated in england |
| 22:07.25 | KotCzarny | *of |
| 22:07.33 | KotCzarny | at night they were venting ;) |
| 22:07.45 | LinuxCode | flyguy, we are genereally polite mate |
| 22:07.58 | lcuk | flyguy, they are treated the same as anyone else :) have a good attitude and you are treated well |
| 22:07.59 | LinuxCode | I think we have got more a problem with your Government |
| 22:08.20 | LinuxCode | but then 50%+ of Americans seem to have that issue too... |
| 22:08.22 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 22:08.28 | LinuxCode | if not more |
| 22:08.33 | lcuk | stays out of politics |
| 22:08.39 | LinuxCode | lcuk, hehe |
| 22:08.41 | flyguy | thats what Im afraid of might work for the mililtary base over there |
| 22:08.45 | KotCzarny | but politics doesn't stay out of lcuk |
| 22:08.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 22:08.57 | LinuxCode | flyguy, tell me where...I will send a bomb |
| 22:08.58 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 22:09.00 | lcuk | indeed kot |
| 22:09.02 | LinuxCode | just kidding! |
| 22:09.11 | KotCzarny | linuxterrorits! |
| 22:09.16 | KotCzarny | erm. linuxterrorist |
| 22:09.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:09.18 | flyguy | let our powers unite |
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| 22:09.26 | LinuxCode | I will send somebody in a Penguin costume |
| 22:09.30 | LinuxCode | to sit on you |
| 22:09.32 | LinuxCode | lolol |
| 22:09.50 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 22:10.19 | LinuxCode | think I might cover deadlocks for this report |
| 22:10.47 | lcuk | flyguy: Somebody set up us the bomb. |
| 22:10.56 | KotCzarny | peguins stucked in tubes |
| 22:10.59 | LinuxCode | any of you wouldnt recall a book by chance that would discuss opensource vs closed source ? |
| 22:11.02 | KotCzarny | *penguins |
| 22:11.13 | lcuk | LinuxCode: All your base are belong to us. |
| 22:11.16 | LinuxCode | Im sure I had/knew of one before |
| 22:11.27 | LinuxCode | lcuk, you can have my bass mate |
| 22:11.32 | flyguy | what exactly pisses everyone off about american politics, just the war? |
| 22:11.33 | LinuxCode | and my drum |
| 22:11.37 | LinuxCode | drum & bass |
| 22:11.45 | lcuk | prefers ambient |
| 22:11.48 | KotCzarny | bass is a kind of fish |
| 22:11.56 | lcuk | and manc tunes |
| 22:11.57 | LinuxCode | flyguy, I dont like being lied at |
| 22:12.05 | KotCzarny | tuna tune |
| 22:12.08 | LinuxCode | specially if one asylum seeker makes the shit up |
| 22:12.17 | LinuxCode | and everyone sees that as proper intelligence |
| 22:12.21 | LinuxCode | because it suits their need |
| 22:12.24 | KotCzarny | linuxcode: that's what ALL politics do |
| 22:12.28 | KotCzarny | sooner or later |
| 22:12.32 | flyguy | feel the same way about iraq, how did afghanastan play over there? |
| 22:12.37 | LinuxCode | blames the BND (German intelligence) |
| 22:13.00 | lcuk | im off |
| 22:13.00 | flyguy | Cheney didn't do us any favors either |
| 22:13.02 | LinuxCode | well...and Im sure everyone knew that the source was shit |
| 22:13.10 | LinuxCode | lcuk, nn mate |
| 22:13.13 | LinuxCode | too late |
| 22:14.05 | flyguy | who know what collin powell would have said to the U.N. if Cheney kept his fat ass out of military affairs |
| 22:14.10 | LinuxCode | lets see if there are udates for the N810 |
| 22:14.24 | flyguy | V.P. does not equal Vice Command in Cheif |
| 22:14.44 | LinuxCode | it was all orchestrated |
| 22:14.56 | LinuxCode | old revenge |
| 22:15.26 | flyguy | Cheney had direct inputs on powell's speach to the u.n. |
| 22:15.45 | LinuxCode | non of them even write their own speeches |
| 22:15.46 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 22:15.51 | flyguy | who do you like in '08 |
| 22:16.00 | derf | When did this become #politics? |
| 22:16.09 | flyguy | yes, but most have speach writers not VPs |
| 22:16.11 | LinuxCode | flyguy, nobody |
| 22:16.19 | LinuxCode | anyway I have to read about deadlocks |
| 22:16.23 | LinuxCode | and find citations |
| 22:16.56 | flyguy | deadlocks in general or just c++ |
| 22:17.02 | LinuxCode | deadlocks |
| 22:17.14 | LinuxCode | as in Operating System deadlocks |
| 22:18.02 | flyguy | The complete reference C# 2.0 covers deadlocks in detail, more so than any other book I've read |
| 22:19.28 | flyguy | includes discussion of semaphores and mutexs as well |
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| 22:24.53 | LinuxCode | hey Tama^2 |
| 22:25.04 | LinuxCode | flyguy, dont need that |
| 22:25.13 | LinuxCode | thanks for the info though |
| 22:25.31 | Tama^2 | Hi LinuxCode |
| 22:25.31 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 22:25.32 | LinuxCode | Tama^2, how ya been ? |
| 22:25.36 | LinuxCode | god..it must be a month or so I havent been here |
| 22:25.40 | LinuxCode | shocking |
| 22:26.48 | Tama^2 | ahah, I'm fine thanks |
| 22:27.15 | Tama^2 | I've been in lurk mode lately as I am very busy |
| 22:27.38 | LinuxCode | I can second that |
| 22:27.40 | Tama^2 | what have you been up to? |
| 22:27.54 | LinuxCode | dont ask! finla year project report was due in wednesday |
| 22:27.57 | LinuxCode | final* |
| 22:28.00 | LinuxCode | what a nightmare |
| 22:28.06 | LinuxCode | 70 fricking pages! |
| 22:29.01 | lopz | re |
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| 22:37.26 | flyguy | is it ok to use g_slice_new with a vector |
| 22:38.02 | KotCzarny | probably not |
| 22:38.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:38.13 | flyguy | is there an alternative |
| 22:38.22 | KotCzarny | malloc? |
| 22:38.39 | flyguy | no gtk specific alternative then |
| 22:38.48 | KotCzarny | don't quote me though |
| 22:38.54 | KotCzarny | i haven't played with gtk much |
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| 22:39.08 | flyguy | what do use with maemo |
| 22:39.21 | KotCzarny | pygtk as for now and xlib |
| 22:40.03 | flyguy | in your opinion would it be hard to switch to pygtk from c++/gtk |
| 22:40.12 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:40.13 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:40.25 | KotCzarny | it mimics most of the gtk calls |
| 22:40.40 | KotCzarny | only trouble you will have with python |
| 22:40.48 | KotCzarny | but it's fairly easy to learn |
| 22:40.50 | flyguy | do you know of a good starting place with python |
| 22:41.00 | KotCzarny | just google python tutorial |
| 22:41.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:41.13 | KotCzarny | my usual way in learning new things |
| 22:42.18 | flyguy | thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 22:42.48 | KotCzarny | http://docs.python.org/tut/ |
| 22:42.53 | KotCzarny | this one for python |
| 22:43.06 | KotCzarny | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html |
| 22:43.15 | KotCzarny | this one for maemo specific calls in python |
| 22:43.24 | KotCzarny | http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html |
| 22:43.28 | KotCzarny | and this one for pygtk |
| 22:43.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:44.01 | flyguy | thank you for the resources |
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| 22:44.28 | Mousey | huggles canola2 |
| 22:44.51 | Mousey | wishes last.fm would login tho without the criptyc system time error that the thread i found about it doesn't fix |
| 22:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | That magically disappeared for me. |
| 22:50.53 | Mousey | apt-get install canola* |
| 22:50.55 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 23:26.18 | gribouille | hi again |
| 23:27.02 | gribouille | someon alive here ? |
| 23:27.22 | gribouille | s/someon/someone |
| 23:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | No, only the dead. |
| 23:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | BRAAAAAIIIIIIINNSSSSSSS |
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| 23:28.06 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, hey hey! |
| 23:28.20 | LinuxCode | chucks a nudge across the channel |
| 23:28.25 | gribouille | does someone use an sd card as virtual memory ? |
| 23:28.28 | GeneralAntilles | zombie-shambles in LinuxCode's direction. |
| 23:28.34 | LinuxCode | lool |
| 23:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | Most people, gribouille. |
| 23:28.39 | LinuxCode | fears |
| 23:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely recommended. |
| 23:28.54 | gribouille | GeneralAntilles, does it boost the tablet ? |
| 23:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | Only in high-memory usage situations. |
| 23:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly it just prevents you from hitting an out-of-memory situation and having applications crash |
| 23:29.34 | gribouille | are sd card as fast as ram ? |
| 23:29.37 | LinuxCode | god I hate that |
| 23:29.39 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 23:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | It does make Wesnoth playable. |
| 23:29.45 | LinuxCode | happened to me once |
| 23:29.50 | KotCzarny | grib: think of it as windows page file |
| 23:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Not even in the same league, gribouille. |
| 23:30.03 | l7_ | how playable is wesnoth? |
| 23:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Very |
| 23:30.20 | gribouille | is the sd card only used as swap space ? |
| 23:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just a TOUCH slow, and not having hot keys is kinda irritating |
| 23:30.42 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:30.50 | KotCzarny | grib: treat sd card as hard drive |
| 23:30.53 | KotCzarny | roughly |
| 23:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | but very playable all the same. |
| 23:31.36 | gribouille | how mutch memory should be affected to the virtual memory ? |
| 23:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | 128 |
| 23:31.45 | KotCzarny | as much as you can |
| 23:31.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:32.00 | KotCzarny | not bigger than 2x of os mem though |
| 23:32.03 | gribouille | KotCzarny, more than the total ram ? |
| 23:32.24 | KotCzarny | grib: nokia's applet will let you use 128 max i think |
| 23:32.30 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 23:32.47 | LinuxCode | I think so too |
| 23:33.10 | KotCzarny | but you can always do dd, mkswap and swapon from terminal |
| 23:33.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:33.11 | gribouille | what is the total capacity of your sd cards ? |
| 23:33.22 | KotCzarny | but it's for linux versed people |
| 23:33.30 | KotCzarny | grib: 4 and 8gb |
| 23:33.50 | KotCzarny | i use 4gb one as my cloned os |
| 23:34.03 | KotCzarny | (no big deal if it dies in the process) |
| 23:34.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.18 | gribouille | KotCzarny, why clone the OS ? |
| 23:34.30 | KotCzarny | for more system disk space |
| 23:34.34 | KotCzarny | that's one reason |
| 23:34.43 | LinuxCode | development |
| 23:35.01 | KotCzarny | to use internal flash as a backup and a quick source of working os that's the second |
| 23:35.16 | gribouille | KotCzarny, do you boot from an flash card ? |
| 23:35.25 | KotCzarny | ie. if i break something badly with app manager i can simply clone it again from internal flash |
| 23:35.29 | KotCzarny | grib: yes |
| 23:35.38 | KotCzarny | 'a' |
| 23:38.20 | gribouille | and do you mount a flash card on /home/user or do you use the built-in flash ? |
| 23:38.28 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 23:38.36 | KotCzarny | i don't use built-in flash |
| 23:38.50 | gribouille | KotCzarny, not at all ? |
| 23:38.51 | KotCzarny | other that space for nolo/kernel/initfs |
| 23:39.06 | KotCzarny | but it's read only all the time and not used after boot |
| 23:39.11 | gribouille | KotCzarny, and your homr dir ? |
| 23:39.15 | gribouille | home |
| 23:39.31 | KotCzarny | on the same volume as / |
| 23:40.55 | gribouille | KotCzarny, so you put only /boot in ths system flash ? |
| 23:41.02 | KotCzarny | there's no boot |
| 23:41.19 | KotCzarny | i mean it's not visible as fs by default |
| 23:41.43 | gribouille | which dir contains the kernel ? |
| 23:41.47 | KotCzarny | they are on mtdblock device |
| 23:41.52 | KotCzarny | raw |
| 23:42.37 | termsig | KotCzarny: what is yours credit card number and pin? |
| 23:42.43 | KotCzarny | ? |
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| 23:43.01 | KotCzarny | termsig: 3782 3198 8347 2883 |
| 23:43.05 | KotCzarny | and pin is 2831 |
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| 23:43.15 | termsig | KotCzarny: gribouille asking to many qyestion.. |
| 23:43.20 | termsig | amex ? |
| 23:43.21 | termsig | ;) |
| 23:43.30 | KotCzarny | nope |
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| 23:43.36 | KotCzarny | capital one |
| 23:43.58 | termsig | it's not visa it's not mastercard ;) |
| 23:44.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:44.41 | termsig | uk one or usa? |
| 23:44.42 | termsig | ;P |
| 23:44.46 | KotCzarny | eu |
| 23:46.05 | termsig | gribouille: u was looking for that software to mount samba share ? |
| 23:46.12 | KotCzarny | 'you were' |
| 23:46.33 | gribouille | termsig, not really |
| 23:47.39 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4397 |
| 23:47.40 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:47.43 | KotCzarny | ie4?? |
| 23:49.31 | gribouille | I try to ssh into my tablet, but since I have reinstalled the os, the keys have changed, so ssh refuses to connect. how can I bypass this ? |
| 23:49.46 | KotCzarny | read the message |
| 23:49.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:49.55 | KotCzarny | it tells you what to do |
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| 23:51.00 | termsig | lol - Paypal said some users were still using Internet Explorer 3 |
| 23:51.14 | KotCzarny | yeah, i believe there are people that think 'hey, it's an old browser, no one hacks something THAT old' |
| 23:51.26 | KotCzarny | or just click on the 'internet' |
| 23:51.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:52.25 | termsig | true, but it's no problem of ppl more business because i dont think nobody use ie3 still at home. |
| 23:52.40 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 23:52.54 | KotCzarny | i think there are people that use win3.11 |
| 23:52.56 | KotCzarny | or dos |
| 23:53.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:53.44 | termsig | u thinking about africa or 3rd countrys? |
| 23:53.48 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:54.01 | KotCzarny | and don't use 'u' |
| 23:54.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:54.39 | KotCzarny | i'm thinking about people that got their pcs in the past and never upgraded them |
| 23:55.02 | KotCzarny | because 'it works' |
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| 23:55.57 | termsig | but it's something like 1% and if they have so old pc i dont think so that they using things like pp |
| 23:56.14 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 23:56.30 | gribouille | I wonder what is the use of /cdrom on the tablet |
| 23:56.31 | KotCzarny | paypal is used by online shops, ebay |
| 23:56.58 | KotCzarny | so it's not using paypal in general but online shopping/banking |
| 23:57.39 | KotCzarny | hi pupnik |
| 23:57.44 | termsig | but anaway it's no major problem |
| 23:57.51 | KotCzarny | heh |
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| 23:57.58 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 23:58.18 | KotCzarny | that article is not about ie3/4 but 'unsafe' browsers in general |
| 23:58.34 | KotCzarny | i believe it qualifies as every ie version ;) |
| 23:58.37 | gribouille | where is the kernel image ? on the rom ? |
| 23:58.58 | KotCzarny | grib: nope, on the flash |
| 23:59.09 | gribouille | KotCzarny, in which dir ? |
| 23:59.21 | KotCzarny | read what i have written before |
| 23:59.30 | KotCzarny | it's not on fs |
| 23:59.35 | KotCzarny | (fs == filesystem) |
| 23:59.44 | KotCzarny | it's written to raw flash |
