| 00:00.08 | lcuk | laffs |
| 00:00.28 | elb | and be prepared to pay far more than it's worth |
| 00:00.33 | elb | because those things are way overpriced |
| 00:01.02 | KotCzarny | elb: i find nokia's originals far better in quality than 'replacements' |
| 00:01.12 | lcuk | one of these days im gonna drill down into my cradle and add 12 AA rechargables in the handles |
| 00:01.14 | KotCzarny | but i agree, they charge extra |
| 00:01.48 | elb | the official batteries are generally better than replacements |
| 00:02.20 | elb | it's best when you can find mAh equivalencies for both the original and the various replacements |
| 00:02.30 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 00:02.34 | elb | I've bought replacements which were equivalent in the past, for Motorola phones |
| 00:02.44 | KotCzarny | they die sooner |
| 00:02.44 | lcuk | i could happily live with an entire flatpack on the back of my 810. same depth as current battery but extended onto case shape |
| 00:03.10 | lcuk | ponders |
| 00:03.10 | elb | but i couldn't find any equivalents at all for the BP-4L, much less equivalents which were similar in energy capacity |
| 00:03.11 | KotCzarny | generally replacements are more sensitive to charging quality |
| 00:03.24 | elb | oh, now I haven't had that problem |
| 00:03.47 | elb | I've also bought replacements with lesser capacity ... because 80% of the capacity of a $30 battery for $6 is OK for most phones ;-) |
| 00:03.58 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:04.06 | elb | who talks for five hours between charges, anyway |
| 00:04.06 | KotCzarny | 6$ is ok for a quick spare |
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| 00:04.11 | elb | I'd kill myself |
| 00:04.26 | KotCzarny | elb: skype will drain it in 3h |
| 00:04.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:04.29 | lcuk | i could happily use my 810 for 5 hours though |
| 00:04.39 | elb | I don't skype with my phones, though |
| 00:04.49 | KotCzarny | i'm talking about n800 now |
| 00:04.51 | elb | like I said ... I don't know of any replacement equivalents for the bp-4l |
| 00:05.02 | elb | there probably are some,but when I looked I saw only official or "official" batteries |
| 00:05.23 | lcuk | i use a nokia battery for my laser |
| 00:05.23 | elb | I don't buy "official" batteries under any circumstances -- they need to either be up front that batteries is batteries, or they need to sell me the real deal |
| 00:05.33 | lcuk | i've only had to charge it once and its still not flat :) |
| 00:06.06 | RedPenguin | I noticed it says 4 hours for Video/Wifi battery life, but I wonder if it would be a little bit longer for just listening to a Shoutcast for a long time, or if a continuous shoutcast would actually make it less than 4 hours |
| 00:06.10 | KotCzarny | elb: n800 uses another battery model i think, bp-5l |
| 00:06.43 | elb | RedPenguin: many activities give you longer than the stated life, and many activities give you less |
| 00:06.53 | elb | if you can turn the display off, you're likely to be on the long side |
| 00:07.01 | elb | (a shoutcast probably qualifies) |
| 00:07.04 | lcuk | RedPenguin, network traffic |
| 00:07.16 | KotCzarny | sticking cpu to lowest speed could help too |
| 00:07.26 | elb | it'll stick to the lowest speed just playing mp3s |
| 00:07.36 | elb | there's no reason for that to tax it |
| 00:07.56 | elb | I'm kind of wishing my n810 played nice with my mythtv upnp music library right now, actually |
| 00:08.04 | RedPenguin | I would be happy with just choosing the Shoutcast than just locking the whole thing if you can kinda do that |
| 00:08.05 | KotCzarny | i think using esd on mine (mad + pcmtask) bumps cpu to full |
| 00:08.10 | elb | as there's no musics out here on the porch ;-) |
| 00:08.21 | elb | RedPenguin: you can |
| 00:08.26 | RedPenguin | Similar to how my Creative Zen Vision:M does for music to save way more battery |
| 00:08.55 | Mikho | hello. This is probably the wrong channel, but would somebody know how to prevent the hyphenation of a certain word in MS Word 2007? |
| 00:09.03 | KotCzarny | wrong channel |
| 00:09.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:09.29 | Mikho | but there are awful lot of computer geeks here |
| 00:09.33 | RedPenguin | nice, I swear I wish I knew about the Nokia Internet Tablet's a while back, I haven't even got a chance to hold my new N810 yet and I'm so amazed with what it's to do and the reviews |
| 00:09.41 | KotCzarny | mostly linux related geeks |
| 00:10.18 | lcuk | why isnt everyone jumping in with the advert for openoffice.org? |
| 00:10.36 | lcuk | that should hyphenate the word differently ;) |
| 00:10.40 | KotCzarny | because there's no port of OOo for n8x0 |
| 00:10.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:10.57 | derf | And no one knows how to force hyphenation in OOo, either. |
| 00:11.04 | derf | Now, if you'd like to know how to do it in LaTeX... |
| 00:11.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:11.09 | lcuk | but it might do different words ;) |
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| 00:11.14 | KotCzarny | 'do it in the latex' |
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| 00:12.31 | Mikho | somebody who pays my salary needs to force me to use it before I even consider using it again |
| 00:12.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:14.40 | elb | passes out the free - |
| 00:15.06 | elb | oh, to prevent hyphenation |
| 00:15.25 | KotCzarny | inhales - deeply |
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| 00:15.46 | lcuk | http://gizmodo.com/380467/internal-microsoft-vista-video-is-as-painful-as-videos-get |
| 00:16.09 | KotCzarny | yah |
| 00:16.14 | KotCzarny | i saw that |
| 00:17.26 | lcuk | scary... |
| 00:17.35 | Mikho | very |
| 00:18.05 | Ziegler | Gtalk on the nits... Is the password broadcast in the clear? |
| 00:18.06 | KotCzarny | scary if your boss is like that |
| 00:18.14 | KotCzarny | otherwisu it's just retarded |
| 00:18.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:19.17 | elb | Ziegler: you should verify this for yourself, but generally speaking, Google Talk doesn ot allow plaintext logins at all |
| 00:19.53 | elb | (in fact, I don't believe it allows non-TLS connections) |
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| 00:20.22 | Ziegler | Good to know... But you are right... I will check it all out myslef |
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| 00:25.38 | Tester_ | where can I get tcpdump for os2008? |
| 00:26.19 | Ziegler | Kismet able to do that? |
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| 00:27.30 | Tester_ | no |
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| 00:33.30 | Tester_ | found it |
| 00:35.42 | elb | KotCzarny: playing 320kbps mp3 bumps my CPU to 330MHz |
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| 00:43.59 | KotCzarny | elb: which decoder? |
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| 00:48.33 | elb | KotCzarny: media player |
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| 00:49.32 | KotCzarny | i assume it uses mp3task then |
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| 00:49.53 | KotCzarny | and i think in that case it will bump cpu to full speed even on 32kbit mp3 |
| 00:49.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:50.15 | elb | 330MHz isn't full speed |
| 00:50.26 | KotCzarny | for dsp it is |
| 00:50.35 | KotCzarny | unless you use patched kernel |
| 00:50.53 | KotCzarny | that will use 400/133 instead of 330/220 when dsp is in use |
| 00:50.55 | elb | ahh I knew 400MHz was reduced DSP speed, I didn't know 330 was its max speed |
| 00:51.36 | KotCzarny | elb: i have sent a link with the patch |
| 00:51.39 | KotCzarny | to the fanoush |
| 00:51.54 | KotCzarny | and he agreed to include it on his page and kernel binary |
| 00:52.41 | KotCzarny | if enough people start using it maybe nokia will include some of the patches in main too :) |
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| 01:05.08 | elb | is 400/133 preferable to 330/220? |
| 01:05.23 | elb | I guess I'm confused about what you sent to who and why ;-) |
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| 01:06.29 | KotCzarny | elb: if 133 will be enough for a dsp task (ie. mp3/aac decoding) then you will have 67 mhz more for cpu :) |
| 01:06.50 | elb | oh, I'd rather it was slower ;-) |
| 01:07.02 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 01:07.39 | elb | battery is more important to me than speed |
| 01:07.43 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 01:07.53 | KotCzarny | but dsp will bump cpu up anyway |
| 01:07.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:08.12 | KotCzarny | and if cpu can sleep longer, then it's more beneficial for battery, no? |
| 01:08.39 | KotCzarny | this patch is not about setting cpu to 400/133 all the time |
| 01:08.43 | elb | well, I'm assuming the CPU doesn't sleep while the DSP is running |
| 01:08.51 | elb | that might be a poor assumption |
| 01:08.52 | KotCzarny | only at the time dsp would use 330/220 |
| 01:09.01 | KotCzarny | elb: not true |
| 01:09.22 | KotCzarny | cpu and dsp are not the same part of hw |
| 01:09.28 | KotCzarny | so one can work while other is sleeping |
| 01:10.13 | elb | I don't know how autonomous the DSP is |
| 01:10.18 | KotCzarny | much |
| 01:10.23 | elb | so like I said ... maybe a bad assumption :-) |
| 01:11.00 | KotCzarny | i may be wrong, i'm not an expert |
| 01:11.10 | KotCzarny | but from what i have read it is like i have said |
| 01:11.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:13.44 | WormFood | is omweather (or whatever it is called) broken for anyone else? it will not update for me anymore |
| 01:16.22 | KotCzarny | http://www.slideshare.net/igor_stoppa_nokia/power-management-for-the-nokia-internet-tablets |
| 01:16.43 | KotCzarny | not much information, but still nice reading |
| 01:16.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:29.43 | WormFood | does nobody else use omweather? |
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| 01:31.26 | WormFood | sighs |
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| 01:39.51 | WormFood | I'm off to work, I'll ask about this problem later....maybe the problem is with my internet connection |
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| 02:07.39 | KotCzarny | (or was it 'silence') |
| 02:07.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:08.02 | silince | ha nice |
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| 04:47.02 | |thunder | Yay, im on pidgin+n800 |
| 04:47.12 | shapr | yay! |
| 04:47.31 | |thunder | This is a well populated chan it seems |
| 04:47.43 | |thunder | This is splendid |
| 04:47.50 | shapr | enjoys splendidness |
| 04:48.26 | |thunder | I want a woorking neogeo emu |
| 04:48.48 | |thunder | I have it installed, but ca t find any roms that work. |
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| 04:52.07 | shapr | Yeah, numpty rocks. |
| 04:53.16 | |thunder | You get all the levels beat ?? |
| 04:53.29 | shapr | Nah, my job distracts me from that sort of thing. |
| 04:54.02 | |thunder | Lol, there are only 5 or so |
| 04:54.26 | |thunder | I like making trebuchets |
| 04:57.57 | |thunder | So, what would it take to get the n800's camera working with flash ?? |
| 04:58.13 | shapr | With flash? |
| 04:58.16 | |thunder | I think it may use V4L |
| 04:58.23 | shapr | Oh, you mean flash applets able to read the camera? |
| 04:58.31 | |thunder | Yes |
| 04:58.37 | |thunder | And , mic |
| 04:58.45 | shapr | I have no idea. |
| 04:58.46 | KotCzarny | v4l2 to be exact |
| 04:58.56 | KotCzarny | v4l1 isn't enabled in kernel |
| 04:59.19 | |thunder | For optomization i imagine. |
| 04:59.36 | KotCzarny | don't know why |
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| 05:01.47 | |thunder | And on screen KB worked |
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| 06:21.56 | soman | Hi, I want to play internet radio using gstreamer on N810.. whats the command to initiate that |
| 06:22.02 | soman | any pointers |
| 06:23.08 | jga23 | mplayer is probably easier |
| 06:23.19 | jga23 | it's just mplayer (url) |
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| 06:26.36 | soman | i want to play it from command line using gstreamer |
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| 06:31.10 | kulve | soman: I'm sure how to parse the m3u playlist with gst plugins. Using http:// url instead file:// url should work just fine |
| 06:31.21 | kulve | soman: +not |
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| 06:55.53 | jga23 | mplayer works from command line as well :) |
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| 06:57.07 | lardman | bbl |
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| 07:09.49 | RST38h | in fact, it works better from command line |
| 07:10.15 | RST38h | the UI is...mhm...underbaked |
| 07:13.49 | Khertan | YEAH ! |
| 07:13.57 | Khertan | My packages was accepted ! |
| 07:14.25 | Khertan | PyPackager 0.7.0 is now able to upload packages to maemo repository |
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| 07:15.20 | Tama^2 | that is pretty cool Khertan |
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| 07:18.37 | Khertan | thx tama^2 |
| 07:18.54 | Khertan | i just need to make now a documentation ... |
| 07:19.39 | Khertan | as it s not a simple process as you need to have a gnugp with a key, ask permission to maemo repository maintainer site |
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| 07:31.50 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:37.09 | soman | kulve, thanks for ur longstanding support. |
| 07:38.16 | soman | kulve, one small clarification.. can i use "playbin" element for playing all types of media.. |
| 07:38.44 | soman | instead forming a different pipeline for each and every format.... |
| 07:39.10 | soman | kulve: what are the Pro's and Con's in using playbin |
| 07:41.03 | pupnik | ty Khertan i'll definitely look at that |
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| 07:45.53 | kulve | soman: in theory the playbin works just fine. But afaik, there are bugs and it might not work in all cases |
| 07:46.06 | kulve | but often you should be just fine with it |
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| 08:01.39 | Khertan | pupnik > look at what ? PyPackager ? |
| 08:01.53 | pupnik | yes |
| 08:02.11 | Khertan | i ve made it mainly to do packages onboard :) |
| 08:02.26 | Khertan | very usefull :) |
| 08:02.52 | Khertan | (for me at least) |
| 08:15.59 | X-Fade_ | Khertan: So you finally did it? It works? :) |
| 08:17.41 | Khertan | yes it s works ! |
| 08:17.53 | Khertan | and again thanks a lot ! |
| 08:17.57 | X-Fade_ | Nice! |
| 08:18.44 | Khertan | i ve uploaded homeip, homememfree, homememstats,homewifilevel,homediskfree,homecpu,pypackager and pygtkeditor ... |
| 08:18.54 | Khertan | and all seem's to work. |
| 08:19.14 | Khertan | now i need to make a documentation about how to upload packages with pypackager |
| 08:20.02 | X-Fade_ | Ok, well it seems that all your work seems to pay off. |
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| 08:20.52 | X-Fade_ | Perhaps you can add a list of categories where the developer needs to pick one from? |
| 08:21.10 | Khertan | yes it will be a great idea |
| 08:21.33 | Khertan | X-Fade_ > work always pay ... just a question of time |
| 08:21.42 | X-Fade_ | You have put some of your packages under 'other', which is basically the worst category :) |
| 08:22.57 | X-Fade_ | I'm thinking about establishing a list with valid categories defined by the community. And rejecting everything that is outside of those categories. |
| 08:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 08:23.38 | Khertan | X-Fade_ > great idea too |
| 08:23.42 | X-Fade_ | Khertan: Your packages need 'desktop' which doesn't seem to be there :) |
| 08:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | Can you please tell the Boingo guys to go die in a fire? :P |
| 08:23.59 | X-Fade_ | And Canola did it too. |
| 08:24.04 | Khertan | hildondesktop ... it s in extras-devel |
| 08:24.28 | X-Fade_ | Khertan: Well, that is not a general category.. |
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| 08:24.46 | Khertan | ah ... your are talking about that ... yes ... |
| 08:25.03 | X-Fade_ | I would think things like games, communication, desktop etc. would be good.. |
| 08:25.03 | Khertan | next packages will something better than 'other' |
| 08:25.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully all categories will rely on as little abbreviation as possible and be capitalized. |
| 08:25.41 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: I think we can base those off the Debian list.. |
| 08:25.46 | Khertan | X-Fade_ > sorry for the category, i was so happy that i ven't recheck my pkb files ... |
| 08:25.51 | GeneralAntilles | utilities, Utilities, utils . . . <_< |
| 08:25.53 | Khertan | before uploading |
| 08:26.08 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds reasonable, X-Fade_. :D |
| 08:28.05 | X-Fade_ | admin, base, comm, contrib, devel, doc, editors, electronics, embedded, games, gnome, graphics, hamradio, interpreters, kde, libs, libdevel, mail, math, misc, net, news, non-free, oldlibs, otherosfs, perl, python, science, shells, sound, tex, text, utils, web, x11 |
| 08:28.12 | X-Fade_ | That is the debian list.. |
| 08:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | Now that I'm thinking about actually being able to use packages categories in Application manager, it seems to have a horrifyingly wasteful amount of whitespace. :\ |
| 08:28.25 | X-Fade_ | Where we can remove some.. |
| 08:28.29 | Khertan | can we have a catogery 'ThingsThatWillSlowDownYourNIT' with canola in it ... :) |
| 08:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 08:28.43 | X-Fade_ | :) |
| 08:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | Only if it's open. |
| 08:28.45 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 08:28.59 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles > it s only if it s open in the version 2 ? |
| 08:29.19 | Khertan | in the first one the daemon was terrible ... |
| 08:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | Version 2 only scans on startup. |
| 08:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade_, those categories aren't the most . . . user friendly. So if you move the packages to that (which I'm for, as it doesn't break with Debian), application manager's category list is going to become both more and less usable. |
| 08:30.52 | GeneralAntilles | Especially for the uninitiated types. |
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| 08:31.23 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, so we could do the switch for Diablo.. (If we have time enough) |
| 08:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | Should that be something that might be considered being rectified application-side? |
| 08:31.37 | Khertan | i always use the button 'All' |
| 08:31.42 | X-Fade_ | I don't think we can do it for current repositories.. |
| 08:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | comm -> Communications |
| 08:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | Actually package category and display name. |
| 08:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | s/Actually/Actual/ |
| 08:32.24 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, we could make that a bit more userfriendly.. |
| 08:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | Do I want to file an enhancement request for a grid-listing of the categories in Application manager? |
| 08:33.38 | X-Fade_ | But I don't think we would be able to get that into Application Manager before diablo.. |
| 08:34.07 | X-Fade_ | This all needs to be translated too, so that will take time.. |
| 08:34.17 | X-Fade_ | And needs to be accepted as an idea first :) |
| 08:34.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's something that needs to happen any way you look at it. |
| 08:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | As it stands, the categories are 100% useless from a user's perspective. |
| 08:34.53 | X-Fade_ | Yep. I will talk to Marius about this. |
| 08:35.16 | X-Fade_ | Let's see if he has thought about that already. |
| 08:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | Establishing a guideline should eventually kick some of the third party repositories into better shape, too. |
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| 08:37.21 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Yep, we need more defined guidelines. And I could even create a package checker or something like that.. |
| 08:37.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh |
| 08:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | I like that one. |
| 08:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | A maemo-badger package verifier would be a fantastic idea. |
| 08:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | s/badger/badged/ |
| 08:38.00 | X-Fade_ | I have already something in place to check some packages on upload. That is what gave Khertan a hard time ;) |
| 08:38.21 | X-Fade_ | He has been testing the assistant.. |
| 08:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | Something that takes some of the guesswork out of it before it hits the other side would be good, too, though. |
| 08:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | Saves the back and forth. |
| 08:39.12 | X-Fade_ | Yeah, I have been working on that. But repositories and packages are hard ;) So it takes time.. |
| 08:39.34 | GeneralAntilles | No complaints here, I'm overjoyed we have you over there. :D |
| 08:39.42 | X-Fade_ | You can make soo many mistakes and there need to be checks for that.. |
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| 08:43.32 | Khertan | i confirm that many mistakes can be done ... :) |
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| 08:47.49 | soman | kulve: how to play .pls file with gst-launch |
| 08:48.47 | kulve | soman: like I said, I don't know if there's a gst plugin for parsing it.. |
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| 08:49.23 | kulve | maybe you should parse it first, then run gst-launch for each line |
| 08:50.43 | soman | kulve, ok.. i will try |
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| 08:59.48 | GeneralAntilles | Here's a convenience increaser: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=170958#post170958 |
| 09:00.00 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 09:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a page with all the hacked open-source Nokia software. |
| 09:00.46 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager, xterm, etc. |
| 09:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | Does the post-inst nuke the package list? |
| 09:01.14 | X-Fade_ | Hehe, please file a feature request for 'Don't show this warning for future installations' |
| 09:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hasn't it already been filed? |
| 09:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | I know there's no way they'll change that. |
| 09:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | The legal department would have a hissy. |
| 09:01.50 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, No idea, I'll take a look. I just commented out the lines that call the legal message and did a make deb. |
| 09:02.13 | X-Fade_ | Well, I don't think it would be a problem. As the user does an action do disable it. |
| 09:02.22 | X-Fade_ | It is on by default. |
| 09:02.49 | GeneralAntilles | I remember it coming up a couple times before. |
| 09:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall exactly who shot it down |
| 09:03.06 | X-Fade_ | You can also do a red-pill switch. Which will breack your device.. |
| 09:03.13 | X-Fade_ | And that got it nicely.. |
| 09:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | Oh well, a request couldn't hurt. |
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| 09:21.32 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 09:21.42 | Khertan | ouch i'm in the top of the list |
| 09:21.59 | qwerty12 | Nice, 464 Karma :) |
| 09:22.25 | qwerty12 | I'm somewhere at the end, I'm looking... |
| 09:22.26 | Khertan | buries 4 |
| 09:22.26 | Khertan | favourites 1.5 |
| 09:22.28 | Khertan | huhu :) |
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| 09:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch, only 60 karma. |
| 09:26.06 | pupnik | can anyone http view or ping piratpartiet.se? (87.96.134.22 here) |
| 09:26.08 | pupnik | and give me the IP that it resolves? |
| 09:26.14 | mbuf | qt doesn't work on Maemo platform; or are there separate images that can be used with the N800? |
| 09:26.16 | pupnik | appears to be blocked by my isp |
| 09:26.32 | KotCzarny | piratpartiet.se has address 87.96.134.22 |
| 09:26.42 | KotCzarny | (i'm using opendns) |
| 09:27.26 | pupnik | ty! |
| 09:27.36 | qwerty12 | pupnik, Fighting for TPB? :P |
| 09:27.39 | pupnik | that's funny |
| 09:28.01 | pupnik | it's a political party in sweden. blocked now by germany? or by my isp? hillarious |
| 09:28.19 | pupnik | i'll have to mirror and host their site now. |
| 09:30.19 | qwerty12 | Hehe, the only Swedish words I know are Hej and Kock |
| 09:33.12 | pupnik | ok this works for me http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english |
| 09:33.58 | pupnik | but google apparently removed the video of the lecture Rickard Falkvinge gave *at google*! haaahahaha |
| 09:34.43 | pupnik | ahh no i just searched wrong sorry |
| 09:35.34 | pupnik | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479 |
| 09:35.39 | pupnik | ignore me :) too much tea today |
| 09:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | How do you link to an attachment in a comment in bugzilla? |
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| 09:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent, thanks! |
| 09:53.10 | florian | good morning |
| 09:56.47 | Jaffa | X-Fade: good suggestions, will reply problem when I sort out a) migraine, b) mess at work |
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| 09:59.28 | liri | guys |
| 10:00.08 | liri | could someone with an N810 check an online mapping site? I'd like to know if it's compatible with the GPS software to decide whether to get the N810 or N800 |
| 10:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | I don't understand the question, liri. |
| 10:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | Websites don't access the GPS. |
| 10:02.03 | liri | I'm talking about the maemo-mapper, the software that can work with online map sites like GoogleMaps |
| 10:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper works with Open Street, Google, Virtual Earth, Yahoo, and custom maps (i.e. USGS topo) |
| 10:02.32 | liri | ok then |
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| 10:02.50 | liri | there's a website like Open Street for my country at the address: freemap.co.il |
| 10:03.04 | liri | I have no way to test if it's compatible before buying the N810 |
| 10:03.14 | liri | I'd appreciate if someone could give it a try and let me know if it's working or not |
| 10:03.23 | MangoFusion | you could run it in that qemu mod ;) |
| 10:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | It all depends on the URL format. |
| 10:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper just inserts coordinates for lat/long at certain variables in the URL to get the maps from the server. |
| 10:03.59 | qwerty12 | Just out of question, which version of qemu does that patch apply against? |
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| 10:04.36 | liri | hmmm |
| 10:04.38 | liri | I see |
| 10:04.53 | liri | so maemo mapper works with the lat/lan of the google style? |
| 10:05.21 | liri | I'm wondering how does it know to send the lan/lan format for the different websites like GoogleMaps, Yahoo or others because I assume they are different |
| 10:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | You tell it the format. |
| 10:05.49 | liri | ahh ok |
| 10:05.59 | liri | so it's all really a matter of url formatting then? |
| 10:06.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 10:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | For instance: http://mt.google.com/mt?x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d |
| 10:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | or for Virtual Earth Sat: http://a0.orthor.tiles.virtualearth.net/tiles/a%0s.jpeg?g=50 |
| 10:08.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's open source, so adding support wouldn't be particularly difficult if it came down to it. |
| 10:11.13 | liri | ok so I went to freemap.co.il and entered a city/street name and looked at wireshark for the traffic and I see that it sends a post with the city/street variables |
| 10:11.21 | liri | how would I be able to check support for lat/lon? |
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| 10:42.11 | qwerty12 | You know like in Chinook, the input method is called hildon-input-method. What was the name of the input method in Bora? |
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| 10:52.55 | lardman | X-Fade: regarding your post of a few minutes ago, does the debian system support multilevel package categories (obviously it does to some extent with the user prefix)? |
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| 10:55.37 | lardman | e.g. rather than user/Ringtones use something like user/multimedia/Ringtones |
| 10:58.06 | hrw | guys: does someone know how to dump XKB keymap from running system? |
| 10:58.23 | hrw | lardman: Debian use one section and many tags |
| 10:59.07 | lardman | hrw: is there a reason for that do you know? |
| 10:59.38 | lardman | easier to see the sections at first glance, but then using a deeper tree structure should be more manageable (I think anyway) |
| 11:01.11 | X-Fade | lardman: I don't know, I think it is already an extension.. |
| 11:01.42 | hrw | lardman: section allow to create easy lists |
| 11:01.43 | X-Fade | And I don't think we have that many applications to have such a big tree.. |
| 11:01.54 | hrw | lardman: tags allow to create complex trees |
| 11:02.54 | lardman | I dislike the presentation in the application manager, I'd prefer to have a tree-like structure, rather than lots of random categories (e.g. ringtones, Instant_messaging_protocols, etc. ;) ). Too much information imo |
| 11:03.03 | hrw | X-Fade: if I will provide packages NOT built with scratchbox will they be available in extras? |
| 11:03.21 | lardman | hrw: hear hear |
| 11:03.26 | X-Fade | hrw: Sure, if the package is somewhat valid :) |
| 11:03.43 | hrw | X-Fade: what it if will be without debian style sources? |
| 11:03.44 | X-Fade | hrw: pypackager doesn't use scratchbox either.. |
| 11:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 Please shoot down any of my ideas if they're stupid. :D |
| 11:04.32 | X-Fade | hrw: That will be a nice community discussion topic? |
| 11:04.39 | X-Fade | hrw: Do we want sources or not.. |
| 11:04.58 | lardman | fundamentally yes I would say |
| 11:05.09 | hrw | X-Fade: you should want sources |
| 11:05.14 | lardman | though for that we need to specify a build system too |
| 11:05.18 | jott | we should encourage source packages |
| 11:05.28 | hrw | X-Fade: I can provide sources but they will be standard upstream one |
| 11:05.54 | hrw | I do not remember how good are OE generated Debian source packages |
| 11:05.54 | X-Fade | hrw: That is what debian does, but they also have a diff. |
| 11:06.14 | jott | and is it really necessary to change the debian categories and tag system? |
| 11:06.22 | hrw | X-Fade: I use Debian for ~6 years |
| 11:06.40 | hrw | X-Fade: and planned to be DD |
| 11:07.03 | X-Fade | jott: Hamradio? |
| 11:07.32 | jott | i see no real point in user/* - there might be a set of user visible categories (or rather hidden ones) |
| 11:07.37 | X-Fade | jott: I think we just need proper categories, I don't mind much how we do it.. |
| 11:07.41 | jott | to be used in the application manager |
| 11:07.58 | X-Fade | A 'Canola' category is bad, imho.. |
| 11:08.10 | jott | well using debian ones would allow sane backporting of debian packages without big effort |
| 11:08.26 | lardman | jott: as it says in the posts to the list, to hide the underlying OS packages, which shouldn't be removed |
| 11:08.26 | X-Fade | jott: There is something to say for that. |
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| 11:09.08 | lardman | Does changing one line in debian/control (iirc) information really produce a lot of work? |
| 11:09.16 | jott | lardman: that's why the application manager could have whitelist or better blacklist of categories |
| 11:09.49 | lardman | yes, but if you want a user installable daemon, you need to expose that category. Then you'd need a package black/whitelist rather than category one |
| 11:09.56 | X-Fade | jott: Or we could translate debian->maemo categories. |
| 11:10.21 | X-Fade | Just shooting ideas here. No real plans.. |
| 11:10.53 | X-Fade | I just want to get the discussion started, so we can finally fix the mess. (One bit at a time) |
| 11:10.54 | jott | lardman: well its basically the question if daemons should be end-user installable i suppose |
| 11:11.12 | X-Fade | Shouldn't they be dependencies? |
| 11:11.17 | lardman | and there will always be the case that you need to install something of that nature |
| 11:11.34 | X-Fade | But what about sshd for example? |
| 11:11.46 | jott | lardman: well in those border cases you could also provide a meta package in a user installable category |
| 11:12.03 | X-Fade | For a crawler that is part of canola it is easy, but for separate daemons.. |
| 11:12.12 | lardman | jott: yes, agreed |
| 11:12.40 | lardman | X-Fade: jott has a point there; users don't need to install daemons unless they are to be used for something |
| 11:12.57 | lardman | and that something will hopefully install the daemon, etc. |
| 11:13.00 | X-Fade | lardman: What if I want to ssh into my device? |
| 11:13.10 | X-Fade | I would need to install sshd. |
| 11:13.26 | lardman | I consider that to be essential, should come pre-installed ;) |
| 11:13.31 | X-Fade | heh. |
| 11:13.32 | jott | X-Fade: see above. very few packages need to have a metapackage then. |
| 11:13.54 | lardman | where would an sshd metapackage live though? |
| 11:13.58 | lardman | which category? |
| 11:14.05 | jott | and i suppose there have to be some special categories for maemo that are not in debian |
| 11:14.17 | X-Fade | jott: Yeah, we need to keep the amount of deamons down. As they can kill your battery. |
| 11:17.35 | jott | actually openssh is in "net" in debian - so it's might be in a category that is visible anyway .. |
| 11:18.15 | jott | but i agree that openssh should be preinstalled anyway (might be deactivated per default) |
| 11:18.47 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I really like your mockups! |
| 11:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! :) |
| 11:19.08 | X-Fade | They make a lot more sense than what we have now :) |
| 11:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | The grid-view seems like it'd at least be a trivial change. |
| 11:19.58 | X-Fade | Yeah, that one should not be that hard. |
| 11:20.53 | jott | ok bbiab... |
| 11:21.30 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Can you please post that to -developers as a separate thread? |
| 11:21.45 | X-Fade | Nokia suits are reading that list, you know :) |
| 11:26.59 | hrw | question about FIASCO images I have |
| 11:27.22 | Jaffa | There was talk of the AM having a tag cloud (years ago, never seemed to go anywhere) |
| 11:27.24 | lardman | still wonders who named that format |
| 11:27.31 | hrw | does someone know how MTD "config" partition is generated? |
| 11:27.52 | X-Fade | bbiab |
| 11:28.02 | GeneralAntilles | What does FIASCO stand for, anyway? |
| 11:29.07 | lcdd | are you sure it's an acronym |
| 11:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have a better answer? :P |
| 11:30.33 | hrw | maybe it summary their attempt to create OS upgradable with packages? |
| 11:31.27 | lardman | Almost as unfortunate as the nearly named Rolls Royce Silver Mist (not so good in German) |
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| 11:33.17 | gpd | Trying to install canola2 but stuck with beta1 version in application manager despite following 'instructions' for setup - why not showing beta8? |
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| 11:35.10 | jeddy3 | gpd, for me it's application manager is showing beta8 |
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| 11:39.15 | gpd | jeddy3: can you tell me what repositories you have? i think i must have a conflict in there somewhere. |
| 11:40.46 | jeddy3 | nokia, nokia (third party), uppdates, maemo extras, maemo hackers |
| 11:40.51 | Cptnodegard | because you did update the lst right? :3 |
| 11:43.38 | gpd | ok - when i remove all catalogues canola2 goes away. if i add back maemo extras free non-free and update then i see canola2-beta1 |
| 11:44.46 | gpd | exceptthe extras doesn't mention chinook - just repository.maemo.org/extras ... maybe that is it. |
| 11:45.26 | GeneralAntilles | It defaults to your current version of the distribution field is blank (i.e. Chinook) |
| 11:45.31 | GeneralAntilles | Have you refreshed the list? |
| 11:45.47 | gpd | yes - very much refreshed |
| 11:46.44 | gpd | lists download, refresh and show beta1 again... |
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| 11:49.08 | gpd | apt-cache show canola2: pool/chinook/free/c/canola2/canola_2.0.0~beta1 |
| 11:49.08 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.08 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.36 | gpd | so it isn't in extras then? |
| 11:49.45 | lardman | Is extras enabled? |
| 11:49.55 | lardman | As it comes disabled by default iirc |
| 11:50.34 | gpd | no - i sweitch extras to disabled and canola2 goes away from the installable screen |
| 11:50.41 | gpd | turn it on and it comes back with the beta1 |
| 11:51.06 | hrw | btw - does someone will clean maemo repositories to keep only latest versions? |
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| 11:51.26 | Jaffa | Hmm. Not read ITT for a couple of days, catching up now and struggling to find an actual useful or interesting thread not full of people being dumb. |
| 11:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sad, isn't it? |
| 11:52.10 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you have more patience than me (and, admittedly I'm in a bad mood today since not feeling well) |
| 11:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, I just let off a little steam now and then by being an ass. :D |
| 11:52.55 | Jaffa | :) |
| 11:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | Which always seems to devolve into 30-page long threads full of stupid bickering. :< |
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| 11:54.07 | lardman | I'm waiting for a response to this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19178 |
| 11:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna hazard that the people that can answer that question either don't read ITT or aren't permitted to answer. |
| 11:55.12 | gpd | ok- purged any sign of canola1-beta |
| 11:55.22 | lardman | ah, my point was that if people want to do something about it then we can get cracking, but I don't want to go it alone |
| 11:55.30 | gpd | canola2-beta1 even -- now it has just downloaded beta1 again and is installing it! |
| 11:56.14 | gpd | Get:1 HTTP://repository.marmo.org chinook/free canola2 2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1 [3303kB] |
| 11:56.28 | gpd | WTF!? |
| 11:57.58 | lardman | slightly different format to the names in there http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/c/canola2/ |
| 11:58.26 | lardman | though I don't know how the choice is made |
| 11:58.58 | gpd | well the only one that appears is beta1 for me... must be a bug. :( |
| 11:59.15 | gpd | been like this since beta2--- clearly nobody cares or I am doing something a weird way |
| 11:59.41 | lardman | does the app mgr only show the latest version? If so perhaps the extra . is screwing up the ordering? |
| 12:00.09 | wnd | erm, does canola2-cleanup help? (quite honestly I don't even know what it does) |
| 12:00.16 | gpd | not just app manager because apt-cache show does the same - shows beta1 only |
| 12:00.52 | wnd | actually, nevermind, canola cannot possibly do anything like that to mess up with dpkg |
| 12:01.37 | gpd | HOLD THE PHONE>... |
| 12:01.55 | gpd | i still have the repository redirection .deb from when they were all messed up i think? |
| 12:02.02 | gpd | or some other weirdness |
| 12:02.26 | gpd | because when i go to repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/c/canola2 in my tablet browswer i only se beta1 |
| 12:02.36 | gpd | but when i go on my laptop via the same network i see all the others too... |
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| 12:03.17 | gpd | hmm /etc/hosts shows repository.maemo.org pointing to 66.33.212.254 |
| 12:04.20 | gpd | this may explain a lot... |
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| 12:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | You're doing something a weird way, gpd. ;) |
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| 12:08.47 | gpd | can anyone remember what the package was called that did that repository fix? |
| 12:09.02 | jku | "fix" |
| 12:10.40 | RST38h | how long does it usually take for a package to appear in extras? |
| 12:11.51 | Jaffa | gpd: there were a number of packages at the time. do a dpkg -S /etc/hosts |
| 12:12.02 | Jaffa | Although it was added using postinst, so that won't help |
| 12:12.55 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! what the fuck is wrong with this god damn piece of shit n800! Every fuckin' time I turn around something else does not work....now I get an IP address, but DNS does not resolve! is this more fuckin' problems with the suck ass piece of shit dhcp client? I never had these problems before. |
| 12:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | Dude, return it and STFU. |
| 12:13.44 | aquatix | someone is annoyed :) |
| 12:13.58 | WormFood | where do I take it to, to return it? |
| 12:13.59 | aquatix | WormFood: tried starting from scratch? |
| 12:14.06 | WormFood | yes, I rebooted |
| 12:14.27 | aquatix | well, was more talking about reflashing it or something |
| 12:14.28 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.37 | aquatix | kinda radical, but still, if you have so many troubles |
| 12:14.40 | kulve | WormFood: maybe the issue is with your AP and not with the device..? |
| 12:14.40 | WormFood | I just reflashed it recently |
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| 12:14.49 | WormFood | the AP works fine |
| 12:14.56 | kulve | but of course it does |
| 12:15.04 | WormFood | kulve, I just rebooted the AP, never had problems with it before |
| 12:15.27 | RST38h | Maybe the DNS is down? |
| 12:15.33 | WormFood | I mean, I get the normal dhcp problems, but not this time....connected and dhcp'ed an ip address just fine |
| 12:15.52 | WormFood | no, god damn resolv.conf is pointing to nowhere (192.168.1.1, which is not on my network) |
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| 12:16.57 | RST38h | Set it to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:17.03 | WormFood | if I could return it and get my money back, I would, but that is not an option at this time |
| 12:17.04 | RST38h | This is what it points to on my machine |
| 12:17.17 | Cptnodegard | sell it and get an iphone |
| 12:17.41 | WormFood | what the fuck would I do with an iphone? I'm not gay! |
| 12:17.43 | Cptnodegard | then you can whine on ilounge instead |
| 12:18.00 | WormFood | I'm not whining, I'm bitching! :P |
| 12:18.37 | WormFood | I'm sure I'm not the only one with this particular problem |
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| 12:19.03 | RST38h | bitching is gay. |
| 12:19.22 | WormFood | you're gay RST38h! |
| 12:19.32 | aquatix | waits for the nazi's |
| 12:19.34 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 12:19.59 | aquatix | WormFood: tried setting resolv.conf to use 127.0.0.1 yet? |
| 12:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | <faux-german accent>Your papers are not in order, aquatix.</faux-german accent> |
| 12:20.32 | aquatix | grabs his Doctor Who psychic paper and waves it in front of GeneralAntilles |
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| 12:21.38 | Jaffa | WormFood: are you, like, 12 or something? |
| 12:21.39 | trickie_ | WormFood: how did resolv.conf get set to 192.168.1.1 in the first place then? |
| 12:21.44 | trickie_ | are you using a vpn client? |
| 12:22.20 | WormFood | no, I'm not using a vpn client |
| 12:22.31 | WormFood | I have no fuckin' clue how it got set to that |
| 12:22.38 | WormFood | I NEVER had dns problems with this in the past |
| 12:22.49 | jku | Wormfood, I have no ide how resolv.conf could get like that unless you edited it -- the OS uses dnsmasq usually so 127.0.0.1 is correct |
| 12:23.18 | WormFood | I've had dhcp problems, but never has it gotten an IP, and not gotten dns |
| 12:23.33 | WormFood | I did not edit resolv.conf |
| 12:24.07 | RST38h | 192.168.1.1 is a gay address. |
| 12:24.46 | aquatix | please stop calling everything gay, that's gay |
| 12:25.00 | WormFood | I know how it got set to 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:25.05 | WormFood | the fuckin' software is broken |
| 12:25.10 | aquatix | WormFood: but did you try to set it to localhost yet? |
| 12:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | ur ghey!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:25.10 | RST38h | It's *jolly* gay. |
| 12:25.17 | WormFood | this is how.... |
| 12:25.19 | Cptnodegard | you got a demon in your IT. try an exorcist |
| 12:25.30 | GeneralAntilles | Douse it in holy water. |
| 12:25.33 | WormFood | for some stupid reason, dhcp is broken with one particular AP I use |
| 12:25.38 | pierlux | it is also level DH0 in http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html |
| 12:25.42 | WormFood | so I manually set dns and IP |
| 12:25.55 | WormFood | I manually set it through the GUI, not the command line |
| 12:26.09 | Cptnodegard | get holywater.deb from the sacred rep |
| 12:26.18 | WormFood | the other AP I use is configured to set dns to 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:26.31 | WormFood | why the fuck does not not set it properly now? |
| 12:26.38 | RST38h | So, that OTHER AP is gay. |
| 12:26.44 | WormFood | no |
| 12:26.57 | WormFood | the dhcp client on the n800 is a heaping pile of steaming shit! |
| 12:27.01 | WormFood | I had to work around it |
| 12:27.09 | WormFood | because it would never get an IP for me |
| 12:27.20 | KotCzarny | yeah, buy an iphone |
| 12:27.22 | RST38h | Probably a misconfiguration problem. |
| 12:27.23 | WormFood | BUT, what I don't understand, is why did it work before? |
| 12:27.26 | KotCzarny | and never go back to this channel |
| 12:27.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:27.29 | tank-man | yea iphone rocks |
| 12:27.38 | WormFood | I have not used that weird AP in a while, at least 2 weeks |
| 12:27.38 | tank-man | no no, get a iphone clone |
| 12:27.39 | RST38h | WormFood: Can I point your attention to something? |
| 12:27.41 | tank-man | that rocks more |
| 12:28.07 | WormFood | and I did use my AP now before, and it did work....so why in the fuck did it suddenly decide to cram its head up its ass? |
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| 12:28.26 | aquatix | tank-man: what rocks even more is to buy an iphone and grind it to dust in a blender before the eyes of some apple fanatics |
| 12:28.40 | KotCzarny | because it's not for you |
| 12:28.41 | WormFood | take it to #iphone |
| 12:28.45 | tank-man | i think ive seen those on youtube |
| 12:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, that's just a waste of money. :P |
| 12:28.48 | KotCzarny | you're not allowed to use n800 |
| 12:28.58 | RST38h | aquatix: Grinding apple fanatics into dust in front of other apple fanatics is waaay more fun |
| 12:29.05 | KotCzarny | that's why it doesn't work |
| 12:29.06 | aquatix | RST38h: good point ;) |
| 12:29.11 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: damn fun though ;) |
| 12:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds messy, RST38h. |
| 12:29.20 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: but... Will it blend? |
| 12:29.33 | RST38h | GA: That is what vacuum cleaners are for |
| 12:29.36 | Cptnodegard | it. have your tried turning it off and on again? |
| 12:29.38 | aquatix | RST38h: it might be found homicide by some people though |
| 12:29.52 | RST38h | aquatix: The keyword is "some". |
| 12:30.00 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:30.10 | aquatix | ``apple fanatics aren't people' |
| 12:30.21 | Cptnodegard | theyre sheep |
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| 12:30.38 | aquatix | sheepicide |
| 12:30.40 | RST38h | Is feeding apple fanatics to Cthulhu a homicide, legally? |
| 12:30.43 | aquatix | can live with that :) |
| 12:31.00 | Cptnodegard | anti apple ftw |
| 12:31.03 | aquatix | RST38h: no, that's buying yourself an extra day to live |
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| 12:36.46 | aquatix | ``Oh God... please don't let me die today! Tomorrow would be so much better!'' |
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| 12:40.50 | WormFood | fuckin' amazing! I manually edit resolv.conf and change it to 127.0.0.1 and it works...reboot and it still works....absolutely amazing! |
| 12:41.36 | WormFood | thanks for your help |
| 12:41.44 | KotCzarny | (till the next dhcp request) |
| 12:41.52 | WormFood | i rebooted |
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| 12:45.11 | Cptnodegard | IRC has a thank you feature like ITT. it's /part |
| 12:45.32 | KotCzarny | wasn't it /disco ? |
| 12:45.33 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 12:45.59 | KotCzarny | (to dance happily after all) |
| 12:46.25 | WormFood | 哈哈哈....very funny |
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| 12:49.06 | aquatix | KotCzarny: nah, /disco gives you some nice colours |
| 12:49.16 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 12:49.25 | KotCzarny | i'm a techno cat |
| 12:49.44 | KotCzarny | that's why i don't know much about disco |
| 12:49.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:49.46 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.24 | tank-man | let me try |
| 12:52.41 | tank-man | disco :Unknown command |
| 12:53.53 | aquatix | hm |
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| 13:03.13 | Cptnodegard | freenode is anal when it comes to irc commands |
| 13:03.16 | Cptnodegard | doesnt support shit |
| 13:03.20 | gpd | for the record - canola-beta8 installed :) was all about the 'fix' for the repositories: clearly |
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| 13:14.39 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 13:15.31 | Andy80 | something happened to my Scratchbox installation: I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and Maemo SDK 4.0, starting /scratchbox/login I get this error: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 13:15.33 | Andy80 | how can I fix it? |
| 13:15.45 | KotCzarny | disable vdso |
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| 13:16.44 | Andy80 | how? |
| 13:17.09 | KotCzarny | please, google, or read readme.txt |
| 13:17.49 | KotCzarny | (or was it install.txt) |
| 13:18.01 | Andy80 | ok, I give a look at it... |
| 13:18.22 | KotCzarny | but feeding google with: disable vdso, should be enough |
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| 13:20.00 | Andy80 | yes, it's: echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled |
| 13:20.02 | Andy80 | found :) |
| 13:20.09 | KotCzarny | see, you did it |
| 13:20.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:20.27 | Andy80 | anyway it's very strange! I didn't enable it... and Scratchbox worked fine until 2-3 days ago.. |
| 13:20.55 | KotCzarny | installator could have disabled it for you |
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| 13:21.16 | KotCzarny | then after reboot it went into default state |
| 13:21.22 | KotCzarny | but i don't know |
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| 13:26.25 | Andy80 | uhm... yes, something must have broke my Scratchbox installation! Even xephyr has some problems... I start it from a terminal with this command: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite, then into scratchbox I do: export DISPLAY=:2 and then I do af-sb-init.sh start, and I get this error: matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. |
| 13:26.26 | Andy80 | Could not open display. Is the DISPLAY environment variable set? |
| 13:26.46 | Andy80 | even if the DISPLAY variable is set... I've checked it wuth echo $DISPLAY |
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| 13:27.14 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 13:33.13 | Andy80 | uff :( |
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| 13:36.26 | RST38h | Just switch to SDK+ and SB2 |
| 13:36.45 | RST38h | Much smaller and easier to work with |
| 13:37.39 | wnd | you mean sb2 is finally usable? |
| 13:38.16 | Andy80 | all my installation is very very broken, damn it! It cannot resolve hosts anymore! |
| 13:38.19 | wnd | the last I checked it was possible to compile stuff, but for example pkg-config simply didn't work, nor did installing packages with dpkg |
| 13:38.41 | Andy80 | and I know it's a common issue I already fixed the first day I used it |
| 13:40.45 | RST38h | wnd: I am using it, it is just fine |
| 13:41.21 | RST38h | Always running stuff on the device rather than the dev machine though |
| 13:42.45 | wnd | that's what I'm doing too. I'll have to give it another try one of these days. in addition to having better design, sb2 is actually supposed to work in 64-bit environment. |
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| 13:43.52 | tsavola | don't forget the x86-64 port of sb1 :) |
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| 13:44.22 | Jaffa | `setarch i386 ./maemo-installer.sh' works for me without sb2 |
| 13:44.59 | Andy80 | ok, fuck that damn scratchbox! I re-install it from scratch!!! |
| 13:45.01 | Andy80 | ufff!!! |
| 13:46.15 | aquatix | erm, what's SB2? |
| 13:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, "Which, surprisingly, is possible! :-)" <- IT'S A TRAP!! |
| 13:46.25 | tsavola | aquatix: scratchbox 2 |
| 13:46.26 | wnd | tsavola, you mean /that/ old port? I remember having a reason not to use it, but I can't seem to remember what it was. |
| 13:46.40 | aquatix | tsavola: ah :) |
| 13:46.45 | tsavola | wnd: i think there might be plenty of reasons not to use it |
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| 13:49.20 | RST38h | aquatix: google for MaemoSDK+ |
| 13:51.18 | aquatix | RST38h: ah, right |
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| 13:52.39 | RST38h | With SB1, the whole appsrc directory has to sit inside that "virtual fs" which is a royal pain |
| 13:53.04 | RST38h | With SB2, I can keep the Maemo source at the same place where all the other stuff is (i.e. Windows NTFS partition) |
| 13:53.19 | KotCzarny | ntfs? /me shrugs |
| 13:53.56 | RST38h | Well, WinXP can't read extfs, so this is the only option |
| 13:54.03 | KotCzarny | can't it? |
| 13:54.12 | KotCzarny | google for ext2 ifs |
| 13:54.51 | aquatix | yeah, it can nowadays :) |
| 13:54.52 | tsavola | RST38h: that's least of the sb1 problems |
| 13:55.06 | KotCzarny | nowadays is quite a long time ago |
| 13:55.06 | MangoFusion | sb2? does it work on mac os? |
| 13:55.09 | tsavola | RST38h: you can even avoid that with a bind-mount |
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| 13:55.51 | tsavola | MangoFusion: i think lle (the author) was trying to port it, but afair the mac dynamic linker is too weird for sb2 to work properly/easily |
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| 13:56.46 | RST38h | No, folks, I am *not* screwing up with the Linux install. |
| 13:56.56 | KotCzarny | you're clueless |
| 13:56.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:57.05 | RST38h | And prefer to stay this way |
| 13:57.51 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Indeed. Like I'd fall for that! |
| 13:58.10 | Jaffa | Hmm. My N810's just randomly rebooted sat on my desk. Not seen that for a while. |
| 13:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | I like random desktop crashes. |
| 13:58.22 | aquatix | Jaffa: sorry |
| 13:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | Those are fun. |
| 13:58.28 | KotCzarny | attention wh*re |
| 13:58.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:58.30 | aquatix | Jaffa: won't do it again |
| 13:58.42 | aquatix | O:) |
| 13:58.48 | KotCzarny | 'he didn't touched me for so long.. reboot!' |
| 13:58.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 14:13.17 | lopz | hola |
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| 14:20.07 | pupnik | hey KotCzarny ever hear about any pageflip/vsync code that's working and not confusing or giant |
| 14:20.12 | pupnik | mplayer svn is too big |
| 14:21.18 | pupnik | if we could pixel double whole screen, and shift offset of framebuffer |
| 14:21.24 | pupnik | then we could have hardware double-buffering |
| 14:21.35 | pupnik | it's not rocket science, but i don't know if it's possible |
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| 14:21.49 | KotCzarny | i think you should ask lcuk |
| 14:22.05 | KotCzarny | he did the vsynced algo |
| 14:22.13 | pupnik | ponders a suitable bribe |
| 14:22.15 | KotCzarny | well, tearfree |
| 14:22.31 | KotCzarny | but it can be considered equal to vsynced |
| 14:22.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:22.37 | pupnik | I WANT |
| 14:23.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 14:30.47 | pupnik | for python fans: pyglet and cocos game library |
| 14:30.53 | pupnik | http://groups.google.com/group/pyglet-users/web |
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| 15:03.51 | Navi | w //bu 9 |
| 15:03.55 | Navi | oops |
| 15:04.03 | aquatix | that's an odd password |
| 15:04.16 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 15:07.26 | Navi | /bu 6 |
| 15:07.32 | Navi | ffs |
| 15:08.11 | lardman | derf: ping |
| 15:09.54 | lardman | derf: no nasty questions, was just going to say thanks for your help yesterday and say that I've tracked the error back to the lengthlist being read in in vorbis_book_unpack() |
| 15:10.13 | derf | lardman: Hooray. |
| 15:10.18 | lardman | derf: so it's either the bitreading code, or it's a corrupt buffer from which the data are being read |
| 15:10.19 | lardman | :) |
| 15:11.26 | lardman | my bet is the corrupt buffer, so I'll have to hack a way of outputting large chunks of memory (rather than using dbg() for single values and running out of space in dmesg) |
| 15:11.58 | KotCzarny | write to file then and run diff on it? |
| 15:11.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:12.22 | lardman | yeah that's all well and good except that the semaphores are all setup to output decoded pcm data |
| 15:12.41 | qwerty12 | derf, I believe you are the author of acmonitor? The link for the acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz file doesn't work, so I wonder if you have a copy. Thanks. |
| 15:14.00 | derf | "The" link? |
| 15:14.02 | derf | http://www.guardiani.us/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb |
| 15:14.16 | derf | Oh, source code. |
| 15:14.20 | qwerty12 | No, the source :). I haven't tried it but I don't believe it works in Chinook. |
| 15:14.22 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 15:14.54 | qwerty12 | No worries, if you can't find it but I'm just interested if it is very easily available to you :) |
| 15:14.58 | KotCzarny | lardman: syslog to network? |
| 15:15.18 | lardman | KotCzarny: the buffers are on the DSP, so need to be transferred back to the ARM |
| 15:15.26 | derf | http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz |
| 15:15.33 | qwerty12 | Thanks! |
| 15:15.51 | lardman | KotCzarny: I might be able to do some shared memory trickery to avoid fiddling with the feed and receive code for the audio data...hmm |
| 15:15.53 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:16.05 | KotCzarny | but dsp can access memory, right? |
| 15:16.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:16.12 | lardman | yep |
| 15:16.31 | KotCzarny | then just make a big buffer for dsp log |
| 15:16.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 15:17.24 | lardman | the amount of debugging data will pretty quickly fill a buffer, so I'll have to block and make sure the ARM has had a chance to read it |
| 15:18.07 | KotCzarny | but it's doable |
| 15:18.24 | lardman | oh certainly, I was just hoping to not have to implement it! |
| 15:18.34 | lardman | but I'm sure it will come in handy for other projects too |
| 15:19.31 | KotCzarny | and you have compiler to help you :) |
| 15:20.18 | lardman | not much code will run without one :) |
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| 15:24.00 | KotCzarny | well, you could writebinary code directly :) |
| 15:24.24 | lardman | true |
| 15:24.57 | KotCzarny | ok.. nap time |
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| 15:28.44 | K-Fox | hi |
| 15:29.34 | K-Fox | where is a installing file of xchat on (os 2007)? |
| 15:30.05 | qwerty12 | Hmm, I know it exists for OS2008 but I'm not sure about 07 |
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| 15:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | K-Fox, it's in Extras on Bora. |
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| 15:31.27 | K-Fox | i dont know web address correctly |
| 15:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager. |
| 15:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | Add the Bora Extras repository. |
| 15:31.53 | K-Fox | ok |
| 15:33.11 | qwerty12 | Maemo Hackers have a OS2006 build too. |
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| 15:45.32 | n810sven | Hi! I am trying to attach a bluetooth a2dp adapter to my n810. http://www.lintech.de/en/produkte/bluetooth_audio_adapter/bluelino_home.htm |
| 15:45.52 | n810sven | I can pair it, but i can not find any menu or option to set up a link to it. |
| 15:46.11 | qwerty12 | A2DP isn't officially supported. |
| 15:46.19 | lardman | setup alsa, then try running mplayer with the appropriate command line, or use ukmp for example |
| 15:46.25 | qwerty12 | Via a hack, it can be done but CPU usage is very high. |
| 15:46.26 | n810sven | But HFP fallback should work i think |
| 15:46.48 | lardman | qwerty12: it's not a hack, just that the CPU is used to both decode and re-encode the audio |
| 15:47.19 | qwerty12 | lardman, Fair enough. I just count it as one as it isn't official |
| 15:47.34 | n810sven | i saw https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667#c11 - but i stuck at "first, ensure you have your headset working with IT2008 ie bluetooth pairing |
| 15:47.35 | n810sven | done and if you enable enabled, you get sound (crappy but you get it ;)" |
| 15:47.36 | lardman | yeah, well that's certainly true |
| 15:48.02 | lardman | n810sven: crappy sound? Due to cpufreq? |
| 15:48.04 | n810sven | i dont know how to "enable enable" it |
| 15:48.09 | n810sven | NO sound |
| 15:48.14 | n810sven | No connection |
| 15:48.24 | n810sven | just pairing |
| 15:49.26 | lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-12112.html |
| 15:49.26 | lardman | scroll to the 4th from last post |
| 15:49.50 | qwerty12 | Wow, that's old. Johnx also has a nice deb too which does that. |
| 15:50.10 | lardman | yeah, I was just going from the Google results |
| 15:50.13 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 |
| 15:50.16 | qwerty12 | Ahh :) |
| 15:50.46 | lardman | thanks for the link, I should really get my headset working again |
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| 15:51.19 | qwerty12 | Np, I like using my Headset with xmms. |
| 15:51.51 | lardman | do you disable cpufreq? I found some funny sounds using it on the n800 with os2007? |
| 15:52.01 | qwerty12 | I do |
| 15:52.19 | qwerty12 | But I use a modified version of linuxrebel's script to do it easily. |
| 15:53.00 | qwerty12 | I find the sound is ok but it can cut out for a few seconds. |
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| 15:54.45 | pupnik | Cool! Ebay Nokia 770 demo device (used) on sale in Germany, only $270!!! |
| 15:55.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 15:55.19 | qwerty12 | £135? I paid £180 for my N800 :P |
| 15:55.27 | qwerty12 | Although the 770 is demo. |
| 15:55.30 | qwerty12 | But still :P |
| 15:55.59 | lardman | ebay is actually stupidly expensive for anything anyone might want |
| 15:56.16 | derf | But it's so cheap for things nobody wants! |
| 15:56.25 | lardman | I can't understand the whole £20 less than rrp, but it's 2nd hand! |
| 15:56.51 | lardman | derf: so it pays to have unusual interests :) |
| 15:57.23 | pupnik | well said |
| 15:57.23 | hrw | is there good "car log" application for maemo? |
| 15:57.41 | qwerty12 | carman? Not sure though. |
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| 15:58.27 | hrw | qwerty12: by 'car log' I mean one which track repairs/costs/fuel, reminds about repairs etc |
| 15:58.47 | qwerty12 | hrw, Ah, now I feel stupid >.< |
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| 15:59.06 | lardman | hrw: not that I've heard of |
| 15:59.12 | tank-man | theres many for palmos you can use |
| 15:59.29 | tank-man | if you don't mind using the palm VM |
| 15:59.34 | n810sven | i'll try getting it done tomorrow. thanks for the links |
| 16:00.00 | lardman | tank-man: leaves a bad feeling (over poor power management) using an emulator |
| 16:00.17 | lardman | tank-man: but if it's the only thing going then fair enough |
| 16:00.24 | MangoFusion | i'd appreciate the palm os / garnet emulators more if they actually doubled the display size |
| 16:00.25 | hrw | tank-man: using palmos app under garnet vm emu is not what I would like to |
| 16:00.34 | hrw | tank-man: I have palmos devices at home |
| 16:03.53 | qwerty12 | hrw, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/fuelpad/ ? |
| 16:05.46 | hrw | tx |
| 16:05.48 | hrw | will look |
| 16:06.22 | hrw | too bad that it is yet-another-app-which-is-not-in-any-feed |
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| 16:10.13 | K-Fox | the Bora Extras repository. what is webaddress? |
| 16:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Why are you on OS2007, anyway? |
| 16:11.16 | K-Fox | ok |
| 16:11.41 | K-Fox | because of evince |
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| 16:11.51 | qwerty12 | You can get that on OS2008 |
| 16:12.30 | Anthon1 | Hello, looking for advice on my application architecture. I'm currently working on yet another todo / task manager that does A/B/C priorities and automatic promotion of priorities based on the due date. I had initially plan to have a server module on that handled all database access that listened on the DBus. An applet module that sits on the home screen, and a full UI where you can edit and create items. Is using the DBus |
| 16:13.27 | K-Fox | evince have more good function than os2008 |
| 16:13.45 | GeneralAntilles | Evince is available for OS2008. |
| 16:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | and has been for months and months. |
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| 16:18.36 | Anthon1 | Wrong place to ask this type of question? Or not enough information to determine a good suggestion? |
| 16:19.34 | pupnik | question got cut-off Anthon1 |
| 16:19.38 | Anthon1 | Ah. |
| 16:19.39 | pupnik | " create items. Is using the Dbus" ... |
| 16:19.40 | hrw | bye |
| 16:19.44 | pupnik | cu |
| 16:19.47 | qwerty12 | bye |
| 16:19.58 | Anthon1 | Is using the DBus the right approach, or should I put all of the server functionality into the applet and then have both UIs directly access the database of tasks? |
| 16:20.13 | Anthon1 | I'm having a hard time finding documentation on creating dbus servers. |
| 16:20.21 | Anthon1 | There is lots of information on creating clients. |
| 16:20.58 | Anthon1 | I believe what I need to do is to create a generic interface, which then provides an array of task object paths. |
| 16:21.03 | Anthon1 | Then provide a task interface as well. |
| 16:21.11 | pupnik | only guy i know who used dbus here who may be present is derf |
| 16:21.51 | pupnik | you might get better answers on the maemo-developers list |
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| 16:22.27 | Anthon1 | Thanks. I'll give that a try. |
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| 16:22.31 | Khertan_on_n810 | Hi |
| 16:23.05 | qwerty12 | hi |
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| 16:26.23 | Khertan_on_n810 | zzz |
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| 16:28.22 | Khertan_on_n810 | ouch microb has just crash ... the first time ! |
| 16:29.04 | cy3o3 | microb crashes on me all the time |
| 16:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_on_n810, I installed some of your desktop applets, but they wont load. :< |
| 16:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | cy3o3, it depends a lot on your use-case. |
| 16:29.33 | Khertan_on_n810 | gnié ? |
| 16:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Check them in the applet selector, click OK and nothing happens. |
| 16:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | Open the selector up and they're not checked. |
| 16:30.02 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Grab the hildondesktop bindings |
| 16:30.07 | qwerty12 | Something like that. |
| 16:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a dependency? <_< |
| 16:30.28 | Khertan_on_n810 | it should be |
| 16:30.46 | qwerty12 | It is afaik, unless you have it already installed? |
| 16:31.47 | Khertan_on_n810 | i m verifying dependancy |
| 16:32.57 | Khertan_on_n810 | it s my fault |
| 16:33.20 | Khertan_on_n810 | i ve forgotten python *things* launcher dependancy |
| 16:34.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | but it was a dependancy of hildondesktop in the beta hildondesktop package |
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| 16:37.07 | Khertan_on_n810 | apt-get install hildon-desktop-python-loader |
| 16:37.07 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
| 16:38.14 | keesj | what does Outbound mean? |
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| 16:46.08 | koyote | debates keyboards |
| 16:46.23 | koyote | I wish there was somewhere local to get one. |
| 16:46.26 | Khertan_on_n810 | GeneralAntilles > i m uploading new packages |
| 16:46.30 | Khertan_on_n810 | outbound != inbound |
| 16:46.34 | Khertan_on_n810 | and |
| 16:46.40 | Khertan_on_n810 | True = (outbound == not(inbound)) |
| 16:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | Installed the loader |
| 16:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Works great |
| 16:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
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| 16:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Out of interest, how often do the applets refresh? |
| 16:47.46 | qwerty12 | I find they only refresh when you switch to the desktop from another program :) |
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| 16:51.43 | Khertan_on_n810 | the applet refresh time is different from one applet to an other |
| 16:52.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | 'refreshing isn't display at a timer raised refresh' |
| 16:52.26 | Khertan_on_n810 | and applet don t refresh in background |
| 16:52.27 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
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| 16:52.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | only when there are foreground |
| 16:53.10 | Khertan_on_n810 | for homeip it 2000ms |
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| 17:02.17 | Khertan_on_n810 | the applet refresh time is different from one applet to an other |
| 17:02.24 | Khertan_on_n810 | 'refreshing isn't display at a timer raised refresh' |
| 17:02.33 | Khertan_on_n810 | only when there are foreground |
| 17:02.38 | Khertan_on_n810 | and applet don t refresh in background |
| 17:02.44 | Khertan_on_n810 | for homeip it 2000ms |
| 17:02.56 | Khertan_on_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.52 | Khertan_on_n810 | it s funny to see how author of the post about a canola like gui has been irrited by comments on his idea |
| 17:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Dan or Krisse? |
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| 17:12.03 | Khertan_on_n810 | the one which have made the second post |
| 17:12.47 | Khertan_on_n810 | i ve uploaded new home* packages with correct dependancies |
| 17:13.06 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) thx GA for the report |
| 17:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. |
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| 17:18.14 | Khertan_on_n810 | GeneralAntilles > so what do u think about the applet ? |
| 17:18.16 | lcuk | pupnik, you knockin around |
| 17:18.26 | pupnik | hi lcuk |
| 17:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | Look great, work fine. |
| 17:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | No complaints. :) |
| 17:18.41 | lcuk | hi there, saw you wanting synced blits earlier |
| 17:18.56 | Khertan_on_n810 | need other one ? |
| 17:19.00 | lcuk | i will quite happily share, but its not sdl - hence its not rgb |
| 17:19.06 | pupnik | yeah i'd actually be motivated if i cou |
| 17:19.21 | pupnik | do you have any comments in there? :/ |
| 17:19.37 | lcuk | in there? |
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| 17:19.51 | pupnik | i don't really need the sdl part to draw |
| 17:19.54 | lcuk | i just got home and saw falshing |
| 17:19.58 | pupnik | :) |
| 17:20.23 | pupnik | it would kind of help remotorvate me i think |
| 17:20.27 | lcuk | whatcha thinkin then |
| 17:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | What about a lat/long if the GPS is on? |
| 17:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Or a light-meter reading. |
| 17:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | Internal temperature? |
| 17:21.09 | Khertan_on_n810 | hum ... why not ... just need to find how to get this in python |
| 17:21.11 | lcuk | pupnik, when you have the book reader, do you play using the -turbo thing, or did you just use it on default sluggish |
| 17:21.48 | pupnik | i didn't try -turbo |
| 17:22.05 | lcuk | fair enough, then the hack i just put in might surprise you ;) |
| 17:22.13 | pupnik | i'm not sure i'd even notice tearing with vertical scrolling |
| 17:22.19 | Khertan_on_n810 | do u know how can i access internal temp |
| 17:22.22 | Khertan_on_n810 | ? |
| 17:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | nitapps.com |
| 17:22.31 | lcuk | there was in the old way, i was missing out on an event and drawing over |
| 17:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | Has both internal temp and ambient light. |
| 17:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | Should be able to divine the method from his sources. |
| 17:22.50 | pupnik | y..you page filp? |
| 17:23.17 | Khertan_on_n810 | yeah from source this will be easy |
| 17:23.20 | pupnik | or is there some other way |
| 17:23.22 | lcuk | no i was overwriting memory before it had all gone - but as you say with moving page just a few pixels it wasnt noticable |
| 17:23.33 | pupnik | ah |
| 17:23.54 | lcuk | but i have it now where i tell the lcd to update and it raises an event when finished |
| 17:24.09 | Khertan_on_n810 | i really need to redesign my web site |
| 17:24.10 | lcuk | max speed has gone from 27fps to 25... ;) |
| 17:24.27 | jott | lcuk: when will we see the source code of your work? *poke*poke* |
| 17:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 17:25.15 | pupnik | wow so i can draw and only update when finished |
| 17:25.23 | lcuk | hmmmmm.. when i split it out into library/module i have too much stuff on the user side which i am keeping for a rainy day |
| 17:25.34 | Khertan_on_n810 | GeneralAntntilles it s command line tool so no need to analyse source ... just use it |
| 17:25.37 | Khertan_on_n810 | :) |
| 17:25.48 | GeneralAntilles | Or that. :P |
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| 17:27.01 | pupnik | could you just pull out and share some relevant code blocks with some comments? |
| 17:27.01 | lcuk | pupnik, as far as i know yes, but i might be wrong because i just do things quickly - i did see horrid tearing before listening for the event but that was me really overwhelming the rendering |
| 17:27.29 | pupnik | well whatever you feel comfy with |
| 17:27.38 | pupnik | there's tons of things i need to do anyway |
| 17:27.41 | lcuk | yer sure but while you wait ill just up a quick test and tell me if you notice where i gained the speed from with my "hack" ;) |
| 17:27.50 | pupnik | sure |
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| 17:34.45 | lcuk | try this as an initial test (just extract all to somewhere executable and run from within same folder |
| 17:34.45 | lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/liqbase_test20080417.zip |
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| 17:36.41 | RedPenguin | I know this may sound like a silly question but, I have just received my new N810, and the tape piece to remove the plastic off the screen came off before I had a chance to remove the protective plastic |
| 17:37.01 | RedPenguin | Now the plastic is stuck on the screen along with a silver sticker, anyone know a way I could get the plastic off? |
| 17:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | Fingernail |
| 17:37.11 | mgedmin | hammer? |
| 17:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | or credit card, maybe. |
| 17:37.28 | MangoFusion | fingernails here ;) |
| 17:37.30 | RedPenguin | I was thinking that but wasn't sure if that could somehow destroy the screen |
| 17:38.16 | MangoFusion | have you suffered from a bout of bad luck recently? |
| 17:38.28 | tank-man | or try another piece of tape |
| 17:38.35 | lcuk | ill be back later, pupnik, you will notice stars are running slowly - scratch the screen to make it go faster ;) it helps me to see how fast cpu is going currently |
| 17:38.38 | RedPenguin | nope |
| 17:38.43 | MangoFusion | good :) |
| 17:39.29 | RedPenguin | I could just leave the plastic on like I do on other devices but my N810 came with a silver sticker on the plastic so it's blocking part of the screen |
| 17:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Pull the sticker off, then. :P |
| 17:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | Use some ronsonol or something to get the stick off. |
| 17:39.52 | RedPenguin | I did but it leaves a bunch of residue |
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| 17:41.49 | RedPenguin | I will have to try that |
| 17:43.23 | ralann | im waiting for mine from amazon |
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| 17:43.41 | lcuk | the Amazon has a nokia factory now? cool |
| 17:43.44 | lcuk | jungle mobiles |
| 17:43.48 | Khertan_on_n810 | ouch crah of maemo desktop |
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| 17:44.08 | ralann | mmmm, no |
| 17:44.32 | MangoFusion | n810 jungle edition |
| 17:46.28 | RedPenguin | Just to make sure I'm getting the right results, a search of ronsonol brings up lighter fluid results |
| 17:47.11 | ralann | lighter fluid... eeek |
| 17:47.26 | Khertan_on_n810 | GeneralAntilles > homeinternaltemp should be now be validated in a short time in extras devel |
| 17:47.41 | ralann | i use it to clean wax and stickers,, but not on new expensive devices |
| 17:48.03 | lcdd | i just used the sticker itself to pick up the residue |
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| 17:48.05 | RedPenguin | that's why I wasn't sure if I got the wrong results or something |
| 17:48.12 | lcdd | works quite often |
| 17:49.37 | tank-man | vinigar works too |
| 17:50.04 | tank-man | with plastic card |
| 17:50.05 | RedPenguin | I think I will just try another piece of tape once I get my hands on some |
| 17:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ronsonol is right |
| 17:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | Don't use anything else, though. |
| 17:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's naptha |
| 17:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | Which is incredible at getting stick off just about everything. |
| 17:52.08 | _V_ | re |
| 17:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just a touch on a cotton ball will clean the stick right off. |
| 17:52.30 | _V_ | is possible to 'update' os2008 with the command apt-get upgrade ? |
| 17:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | Not until Diablo. |
| 17:52.49 | mgedmin | _V_: define update |
| 17:52.55 | _V_ | or is mandatory to use the application installer ? |
| 17:53.02 | mgedmin | you can't upgrade the OS, but you can upgrade 3rd party packages |
| 17:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 17:53.18 | mgedmin | just be careful |
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| 17:53.23 | _V_ | i need to upgrade only new available apps |
| 17:53.23 | GeneralAntilles | You can also put yourself into a reboot loop if you pull stuff from certain repositories, though. |
| 17:53.24 | mgedmin | app installer has safety checks that apt doesn't |
| 17:53.38 | _V_ | (new version) |
| 17:53.42 | mgedmin | upgrading certain system packages (such as busybox) is a recipe for disaster |
| 17:53.49 | _V_ | a, ok |
| 17:54.00 | mgedmin | upgrading the same apps you could upgrade from the app-manager is safe |
| 17:54.01 | _V_ | so is not safe to use apt-get update |
| 17:54.08 | mgedmin | apt-get update is always safe |
| 17:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | upgrade |
| 17:54.39 | mgedmin | right, apt-get update = safe, apt-get upgrade = you're an expert and know what you do |
| 17:54.52 | _V_ | ok, thanks |
| 17:55.03 | _V_ | i have some trouble upgrading some apps |
| 17:55.04 | mgedmin | (= mostly safe, but if something does go wrong that 1% of the time, you've been warned) |
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| 17:56.12 | _V_ | (homecpuspeed,homediskfree ecc...) |
| 17:57.30 | Khertan_on_n810 | GeneralAntilles > homelightmeter should be available soon too. |
| 17:57.53 | Khertan_on_n810 | the two new applet have been uploaded to maemo extras-devel |
| 17:58.28 | lcuk | wkhertan, what does it do |
| 17:58.34 | _V_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.5-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1_armel.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:58.34 | _V_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.16 | keesj | maemo-torch-home-applet |
| 17:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | <_< powerlaunch can't be installed and can't be uninstalled |
| 17:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | How do I nuke it? |
| 17:59.51 | lcuk | with a hammer |
| 18:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_on_n810, prefs dialog for celsius/fahrenheit selection? |
| 18:01.07 | Khertan_on_n810 | _V_ > apt-get remove python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1_armel.deb |
| 18:02.04 | Khertan_on_n810 | i don t how to do prefs dialog for python applet as there is now documentations on python binding |
| 18:03.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | lcuk > the first display internal temperature of your nit, and the second one the luminosity in lux |
| 18:03.18 | Khertan_on_n810 | (on n810 only for the second) |
| 18:03.37 | lcuk | twhat if the ambient sensor has been errrrrm sabotaged? |
| 18:03.59 | lcuk | (like with a sticky badge) |
| 18:04.41 | Khertan_on_n810 | the result will be sabotaged too :) |
| 18:05.11 | lcuk | it annoyed me how the display would go light and dark too often - my hand hovers over that corner most of the time |
| 18:05.28 | _V_ | Khertan_on_n810: dpkg -r --force-depends python-hildondesktop |
| 18:06.01 | _V_ | mmm |
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| 18:06.19 | _V_ | only homecpuspeed depends on python2.5-hildondesktop |
| 18:06.34 | _V_ | other home* depends on python-hildondesktop |
| 18:06.38 | _V_ | is this correct ? |
| 18:07.13 | lcuk | homecpuspeed... hmmm does this by chance effect the performance settings |
| 18:09.47 | _V_ | solved |
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| 18:09.59 | _V_ | dpkg -r --force-depends python-hildondesktop |
| 18:10.01 | Khertan_on_n810 | _V_ > hum u will have problems at each update :) |
| 18:10.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | remove it .. |
| 18:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | powerlaunch just needs to die. ;_; |
| 18:10.10 | Khertan_on_n810 | apt-cache search hikdondesktop |
| 18:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | I want it to go away. |
| 18:10.11 | Khertan_on_n810 | remove it .. |
| 18:10.16 | Khertan_on_n810 | and then it ll use the official package available in extras-devel |
| 18:10.17 | _V_ | and then an apt-get -f install |
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| 18:11.27 | Khertan_on_n810 | what is powerlaunch ? |
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| 18:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 18:12.33 | GeneralAntilles | The install is broken and I can neither install it nor remove it. |
| 18:12.45 | Navi | yey |
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| 18:14.05 | Khertan_on_n810 | what is the error given by apt ? |
| 18:14.29 | Khertan_on_n810 | maybe fixing the pre remove install script will help |
| 18:14.46 | Khertan_on_n810 | or preinstall script |
| 18:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | E: Sub-processs /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:15.43 | Khertan_on_n810 | does dpkg give you more details ? |
| 18:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 18:17.16 | Khertan_on_n810 | also with a dpkg -i command line ? |
| 18:17.52 | GeneralAntilles | "Errors were encountered" |
| 18:18.31 | Khertan_on_n810 | ouch difficult to fix with this |
| 18:18.42 | lcuk | dmesg? |
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| 18:19.14 | GeneralAntilles | My install is mostly trashed at this point |
| 18:19.20 | GeneralAntilles | sshd doesn't work anymore, either. |
| 18:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just coasting along until Diablo. :< |
| 18:19.45 | Khertan_on_n810 | i need to go on ... sorry than i can t help you ... |
| 18:19.53 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks for trying. |
| 18:19.56 | Khertan_on_n810 | bye |
| 18:20.20 | MangoFusion | i'm still figuring out what is so big about diablo ;) |
| 18:20.20 | Khertan_on_n810 | nope u r welcome |
| 18:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's an OS update, MangoFusion? |
| 18:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | Bug fixes, major improvements in the browser |
| 18:20.28 | GeneralAntilles | etc, etc |
| 18:21.12 | MangoFusion | yes but we'll just be here next year moaning about how unicorn (or whatever crazy codename the next release is) will be great and fix all the latest problems ;) |
| 18:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, that's how OS updates work. |
| 18:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 18:21.41 | X-Fade | MangoFusion: Close... Elephanta :) |
| 18:21.52 | MangoFusion | true but i just wondered if there was anything more substantially cool |
| 18:21.55 | MangoFusion | like PIM |
| 18:22.02 | MangoFusion | or 3d |
| 18:22.07 | MangoFusion | or kitchen sinks |
| 18:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | Bug fixes are cool enough. |
| 18:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | Especially the MicroB bug fixes. |
| 18:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo MicroB will be orders of magnitude faster than Chinook MicroB |
| 18:23.05 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: My guess is that its mostly javascript performance.. |
| 18:23.13 | X-Fade | fennec isn't faster in rendering.. |
| 18:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | Fennec wastes shittons of CPU with its broken scrolling. ;) |
| 18:24.00 | GeneralAntilles | The betas have a much better memory footprint than the early alphas. |
| 18:24.00 | X-Fade | Yeah, the kinetic scrolling isn't that optimized yet ;) |
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| 18:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | There have been a LOT of improvements since last fall. |
| 18:24.41 | lcuk | x - does the cpu run at full speed when scrolling? |
| 18:24.52 | X-Fade | Yep, but I hope they will provide any noticeable changes. |
| 18:25.03 | lcuk | i notice i can only get "near" full speed when at 166 - at 400 its crystal smooth |
| 18:25.10 | X-Fade | lcuk: Probably. |
| 18:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, MicroB has a lot of niggly little UI bugs that I'm sure will be fixed. |
| 18:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, a browser has a lot more stuff to kick in the cpu freq. |
| 18:25.46 | lcuk | yer i know |
| 18:25.50 | lcuk | anyway, must dash for now |
| 18:26.07 | lcuk | nom nom nom tea at mums |
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| 18:26.20 | X-Fade | I hope that microb will be better. Webkit is perhaps also an option.. |
| 18:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | Eventually |
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| 18:27.54 | X-Fade | It feels more lightweight at the moment, but who knows ;) |
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| 18:28.09 | GeneralAntilles | WebKit has more potential than Gecko |
| 18:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | Lighter weight, more agile engine. |
| 18:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | But it needs more work to get it up to speed on maemo. |
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| 18:32.12 | gribouille | hi |
| 18:32.52 | gribouille | I need to install some packages, but I don't know in which repo I can find them |
| 18:35.37 | gribouille | someone here ? |
| 18:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it |
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| 18:46.46 | RedPenguin | Any way to get the N810 louder? I tried turning the volume up all the way (using both headphones + speakers) and it's fairly quiet, or is that just how it is? |
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| 18:47.48 | lcdd | RedPenguin: there's an additional control in media player if that's what you're using |
| 18:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | The speakers can actually go a lot louder. |
| 18:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | Something's a little weak software side. |
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| 18:50.19 | RedPenguin | I can hear stuff but if I walked into a noisy enviornment, I'm not sure if I would be able to really hear it that well |
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| 18:50.44 | RedPenguin | I tried out a Shoutcast and it's like people talking in a library almost |
| 18:51.13 | X-Fade | RedPenguin: Did you turn the application volume _and_ the system volume up? |
| 18:51.45 | RedPenguin | I know I definatly turned the system volume up, I will have to double check the application to see if that is up or not |
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| 19:14.52 | Jaffa | re |
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| 19:22.23 | liquid217 | redpenguin, there is an option you can add to mplayers config to increase the volume. Think it's called softvol-max |
| 19:22.38 | liquid217 | but that only applies to mplayer obviously |
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| 19:31.41 | lirakis | Is there a way to get a pipe character from my n810 keyboard? |
| 19:32.09 | lirakis | I cant belive its not available by deefault |
| 19:32.47 | pH5 | lirakis: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/#comment-226251 |
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| 19:33.45 | pupnik | check the comments lower down lirakis |
| 19:33.59 | lirakis | Ok will do |
| 19:34.06 | lirakis | Thanks |
| 19:35.50 | lirakis | Oh uh |
| 19:36.12 | lirakis | What is the default pass for sudo? |
| 19:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | The user doesn't have a default password. |
| 19:36.54 | GeneralAntilles | Install easyroot. |
| 19:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | and/or OpenSSH server |
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| 19:39.13 | flo_lap | re |
| 19:39.24 | MangoFusion | i just use becomeroot :) |
| 19:39.57 | GeneralAntilles | easyroot = "root" rather than "sudo gainroot" |
| 19:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | Easier to type. |
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| 19:43.37 | cyberholic | Hi everyone. |
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| 19:44.06 | cyberholic | Does anyone of you have or know a script showing a simple "Hello World" of the Google Contacts api? I want to fetch the contacts with php |
| 19:45.22 | ||cw | cyberholic: if there is an api, an example will be on code.google.com |
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| 19:46.32 | cyberholic | cw: well the problem is that the examples they offer are awfuel. problem II is tha it needs a ZEND google framework that my host does not allow me to install :( ... i just thought that someone in here already would have tried that out. |
| 19:47.20 | ||cw | so implement the zend parts in another way |
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| 19:47.38 | cyberholic | tried it through a manual php.ini but that did not worked out too :( |
| 19:48.05 | cyberholic | i have been sitting on this the whole day long, my eyes are rectangles and my brain is.... ey! where's my brain!? |
| 19:48.16 | ||cw | i said implement, not install |
| 19:48.31 | cyberholic | can you tell me more? |
| 19:51.30 | ||cw | I think I see now. the api itself is just http and xml, the zend part is a lib rolled up for you all nice like. the xml doens't look hard to parse, use thephp's http functions and xml functions yourself |
| 19:51.46 | ||cw | s/thephp/php |
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| 19:56.11 | cyberholic | i understood taht one, but that is exactly where i go stuck. I can authentificate, what means that that works, but what then? I will give it a try and install the whole Zend on my server :( |
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| 20:22.02 | Skyp | hi ;) Is there a simple way to hide/remove an application from the task-bar (temporarily or permanently)? |
| 20:22.27 | Skyp | I have a task, that is almost always running and I want to keep it from appearing in the taskbar |
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| 20:24.10 | Skyp | Maybe a setting in /usr/share/application/hildon/*.desktop ? |
| 20:24.25 | AStorm | nope |
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| 20:24.38 | AStorm | you have to set a special GTK style |
| 20:24.55 | AStorm | on the window to make it not appear theree |
| 20:25.10 | Skyp | So to recompile is my only option? |
| 20:25.42 | AStorm | nah, you could set the style with some external app |
| 20:25.57 | AStorm | it's an X property |
| 20:26.26 | Skyp | Hm, ok... is there an App on-board which can accomplish that? |
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| 20:28.51 | AStorm | hm, after prolonged use, hildon-desktop eats a lot of memory |
| 20:28.59 | AStorm | any way to stop that? |
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| 20:30.15 | smackpotato | its cache |
| 20:30.23 | smackpotato | its good |
| 20:30.46 | AStorm | yeah sure? |
| 20:30.52 | AStorm | a cache of what? |
| 20:31.26 | smackpotato | program you used or may use |
| 20:31.45 | AStorm | .... |
| 20:32.01 | smackpotato | you can set these things |
| 20:32.03 | dragorn | that doesn't sound right |
| 20:32.12 | AStorm | smackpotato: where? |
| 20:32.25 | smackpotato | ill,look |
| 20:32.42 | AStorm | ah nopes |
| 20:33.02 | AStorm | it's the dbus-daemon that's gobbling up 25% of memory |
| 20:33.04 | AStorm | why? |
| 20:33.06 | dragorn | programs should let the kernel handle the IO cache for recently run stuff instead of taking it away from other apps, since they have no idea if a large program needs ram |
| 20:33.52 | MangoFusion | i'd love to see what memory usage is like on, say, the iphone |
| 20:34.20 | AStorm | then check its /proc |
| 20:36.13 | smackpotato | /proc/sys/vm |
| 20:36.16 | AStorm | hmmhmm |
| 20:36.23 | smackpotato | whatever |
| 20:36.26 | AStorm | how do I restart that daemon? |
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| 20:37.36 | dragorn | AStorm: probably /etc/init.d/dbus |
| 20:37.46 | dragorn | AStorm: but I'd expect it to get unhappy |
| 20:39.18 | smackpotato | swapiness is one value i like to change just echo a diferent value |
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| 20:41.54 | AStorm | blah, rebooted the machine by accident |
| 20:42.48 | smackpotato | what machine do you have astorm |
| 20:43.16 | AStorm | N810, doh |
| 20:43.24 | smackpotato | cool |
| 20:45.56 | dragorn | AStorm: i was going to say, the worst you can do is cause a reboot |
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| 22:14.18 | unixSnob | i'm so glad that big NIT banner was removed from internettablettalk.com.. that thing was an eyesore, and blocked buttons on small screens |
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| 22:57.06 | NOCmadman | is there any easyway to setup scratchbox in windows using andlinux as my laptop does not play well with linux |
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| 23:01.18 | wnd | NOCmadman, use vmware and ready-made hard drive image that contains a copy of gnu/linux and that has scratchbox installed. don't ask me more, I never tried or saw it myself. I only know that such image exists somewhere. |
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| 23:07.24 | unixSnob | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7087 <= That's a good power to USB cable.. I just tested it to make sure it works, if anyone is interested. $7 shipped. |
| 23:07.38 | unixSnob | it works on the n800 |
| 23:11.12 | NOCmadman | yea i was gona do that but i do alot of things remotly ad vmware dont like logmein plust the only vmware image i found was very outdated if i could find a newer one that would work great. does anyone know the link to a current image ? |
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| 23:12.51 | gribouille | hi |
| 23:13.22 | gribouille | I've just installed openssh-server on my Nokia N800, but I can't ssh to it. what's wrong ? |
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| 23:17.21 | gribouille | can someone help me please ? |
| 23:17.34 | KotCzarny | can you ping it? |
| 23:18.11 | gribouille | KotCzarny, yes |
| 23:18.15 | KotCzarny | nmap ? |
| 23:19.27 | gribouille | KotCzarny, why nmap ? |
| 23:19.45 | gribouille | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 23:20.00 | KotCzarny | then ssh -v (or -d) |
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| 23:20.51 | gribouille | KotCzarny, Permission denied, please try again. |
| 23:21.07 | KotCzarny | permission denied to what? |
| 23:21.44 | gribouille | KotCzarny, but when I ssh from my N800 (with the same password), it works fine |
| 23:22.04 | KotCzarny | then your windows/firewall/network seems broken |
| 23:22.05 | gribouille | KotCzarny, when ssh asks the passqord |
| 23:22.15 | KotCzarny | or you have simply mistype the pass |
| 23:22.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:22.28 | KotCzarny | sudo password (on device) |
| 23:22.38 | gribouille | ok |
| 23:22.49 | KotCzarny | or any other mean to reset the pass |
| 23:23.36 | |thunder | Install putty |
| 23:23.50 | |thunder | Will make ssh magiically work |
| 23:23.56 | KotCzarny | 'install' is a big word |
| 23:24.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:24.03 | gribouille | KotCzarny, it still doesn't work |
| 23:24.08 | |thunder | As a client |
| 23:24.48 | KotCzarny | gribouille: i can't think of anything other than some trivial mistake |
| 23:24.49 | gribouille | KotCzarny, where does ssh log its activity ? |
| 23:25.01 | KotCzarny | usually to /var/log/secure |
| 23:25.07 | |thunder | - /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 23:25.09 | KotCzarny | but syslogd is missing |
| 23:25.17 | KotCzarny | you will have to install it |
| 23:25.33 | KotCzarny | you can try running sshd directly |
| 23:25.38 | KotCzarny | with -d flag |
| 23:26.01 | KotCzarny | that will not detach it from console and print some debug messages |
| 23:26.31 | gribouille | KotCzarny, but sshd is already running |
| 23:26.56 | KotCzarny | then also add -p 22222 |
| 23:27.03 | KotCzarny | and test it on another port |
| 23:29.00 | lcdd | gribouille: are you logging in as user 'user'? |
| 23:29.16 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 23:29.23 | KotCzarny | good point |
| 23:29.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:29.40 | KotCzarny | try root@n800ip |
| 23:29.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:29.43 | gribouille | lcdd, no, as root |
| 23:30.14 | gribouille | KotCzarny, ok, it works now. yhanks |
| 23:30.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:30.22 | KotCzarny | what was wrong? |
| 23:30.59 | gribouille | KotCzarny, typo ;-( |
| 23:31.04 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:31.12 | KotCzarny | as i said, something trivial :) |
| 23:31.42 | gribouille | what happens if I forget root's password ? |
| 23:31.53 | KotCzarny | you reset it with sudo |
| 23:32.03 | KotCzarny | or maybe reinstalling ssh server will ask again |
| 23:32.22 | KotCzarny | you can try using permanent marker too |
| 23:32.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:32.40 | gribouille | KotCzarny, what's that ? |
| 23:33.15 | KotCzarny | http://www.chinatraderonline.com/Files/Gifts-and-Crafts/Pen/White-Board-Maker/Permanent-Marker-23302120203.jpg |
| 23:33.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:33.40 | gribouille | ah, good idea ;-) |
| 23:35.08 | gribouille | I have problems figuring out what memory/storage there is in an out-of-the-box N800 |
| 23:35.29 | gribouille | that's my first Internet tablet |
| 23:35.29 | KotCzarny | 128mb sdram, 256mb flash, 2x sdhc slot |
| 23:35.52 | termsig | but u can check with top command and df |
| 23:36.21 | KotCzarny | top is.. complicated |
| 23:36.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:36.34 | termsig | now it's really easy ;) |
| 23:36.49 | gribouille | where is the OS stored ? |
| 23:36.54 | KotCzarny | on the flash |
| 23:37.10 | KotCzarny | but you can clone it to the sd card and boot/run from there |
| 23:37.15 | termsig | but u can boot from card. |
| 23:37.23 | termsig | uh, lag ;) |
| 23:37.49 | gribouille | the flash is /dev/mtdblock4, right ? |
| 23:37.59 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:38.57 | gribouille | so, my sdhc card is mounted on /media/mmc1 ? |
| 23:39.07 | KotCzarny | depending in which slot it is |
| 23:39.08 | termsig | and mmc2 |
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| 23:39.50 | termsig | if i`m not wrong mmc2 it's inside and mmc1 it's outside card. |
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| 23:40.58 | gribouille | is /home/user on the flash ? |
| 23:41.31 | termsig | yes. |
| 23:41.47 | gribouille | ok, I see clearly now |
| 23:41.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:42.23 | gribouille | do you have N800 or N810 ? |
| 23:42.31 | KotCzarny | n800 |
| 23:42.32 | termsig | n810 |
| 23:42.42 | termsig | :> |
| 23:42.48 | KotCzarny | (first again) |
| 23:42.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:43.09 | gribouille | KotCzarny, do you miss a physical keyboard ? |
| 23:43.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:43.17 | KotCzarny | sometimes |
| 23:43.20 | KotCzarny | but not that much |
| 23:43.22 | Mousey | why can't i get canola2 to connect to last.fm? |
| 23:43.29 | Mousey | something about my system time |
| 23:43.31 | KotCzarny | i have bt kb |
| 23:43.45 | KotCzarny | and there are some replacement osk too |
| 23:44.02 | gribouille | osk ? |
| 23:44.06 | termsig | gribouille: n810 keyboard it's not so nice too.. |
| 23:44.19 | gribouille | termsig, why ? |
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| 23:44.53 | termsig | because it's really small and if somone have big fingers it's really hard to write quick. |
| 23:45.13 | KotCzarny | or long finger nails |
| 23:45.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:45.30 | gribouille | what do you use you tablet for ? |
| 23:45.36 | termsig | it's not my problem ;P |
| 23:45.50 | KotCzarny | media player, web browser, games, ssh sometimes |
| 23:46.06 | KotCzarny | fun gadget to use on the go |
| 23:46.32 | KotCzarny | for the places where getting out laptop isn't so convenient |
| 23:46.35 | gribouille | does anyone know if bash is available ? |
| 23:46.43 | termsig | yes. |
| 23:46.48 | termsig | bash3 |
| 23:46.52 | gribouille | where ? |
| 23:47.01 | KotCzarny | probably, but it's advised not to use it as a default sh |
| 23:47.19 | gribouille | why ? |
| 23:47.32 | termsig | apt-get mate. |
| 23:47.47 | KotCzarny | only thing that i can think of is that scripts were tested only with busybox's shell |
| 23:47.53 | KotCzarny | and memory requirements |
| 23:47.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:48.57 | Mousey | loves the n810 keyboard |
| 23:49.40 | Mousey | didn't by the n800 cuz it didn't have a keyb |
| 23:49.54 | |thunder | 800 under 200$ nib |
| 23:49.54 | KotCzarny | bought n800 because it was 3x cheaper than n810 |
| 23:50.11 | KotCzarny | and i'm thinking that 800 is superior to 810 |
| 23:50.12 | Mousey | ...there's that |
| 23:50.18 | KotCzarny | but it's only my opinion |
| 23:50.18 | Mousey | i'm thinking you're crazy ;) |
| 23:50.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.20 | Mousey | but |
| 23:50.29 | Mousey | i'm gonna get an n800 to, and use it for usb storage |
| 23:50.33 | KotCzarny | everyone has different needs |
| 23:50.39 | Mousey | 64gb solid state storage tablet!! w00t!! |
| 23:50.39 | |thunder | Same hardware minnus the gps |
| 23:50.45 | termsig | guys it's depence.. for what u using u n8x0 |
| 23:50.57 | KotCzarny | mousey: or more, if sd goes up |
| 23:51.05 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:51.08 | |thunder | 64gb ??????? |
| 23:51.09 | Mousey | hey, has anyone gotten their SD cards to format as ext2/3? |
| 23:51.12 | KotCzarny | no reason to argue which one is better |
| 23:51.17 | Mousey | |thunder: yea 2x 32gb cards |
| 23:51.21 | KotCzarny | has had |
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| 23:51.32 | Mousey | i like microUSB, i hate miniSD |
| 23:51.33 | KotCzarny | mousey: wanna see my clone script? |
| 23:51.42 | KotCzarny | i like full sized sd |
| 23:51.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:51.46 | Mousey | me too |
| 23:51.48 | termsig | 32Gb is out? |
| 23:51.52 | |thunder | Musy, ii have. use ext2, ext3 will kill a sd card |
| 23:51.52 | KotCzarny | termsig: yes |
| 23:51.55 | Mousey | termsig: yea, good luck finding it tho |
| 23:51.58 | KotCzarny | but expensive |
| 23:52.03 | KotCzarny | ~150$ for card |
| 23:52.12 | RedPenguin | Anyone know what's going on, I can hear sound on my N810's speakers nice and loud but when I plug in the headphones I can barely hear |
| 23:52.20 | KotCzarny | thunder: give me proof :) |
| 23:52.37 | |thunder | How ?? |
| 23:52.38 | KotCzarny | redpenguin: probably it's for health reasons |
| 23:52.43 | termsig | i saw 16Gb for 95 quid |
| 23:52.43 | termsig | Kot |
| 23:52.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:52.52 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 23:52.54 | termsig | KotCzarny: any website for 32Gb? |
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| 23:53.09 | KotCzarny | i saw them on newegg some time ago |
| 23:53.10 | |thunder | EXt3 is journaled, that kills solid state |
| 23:53.18 | KotCzarny | thunder: not true |
| 23:53.25 | |thunder | J |
| 23:53.28 | Mousey | |thunder: yea, ext2 would be what i used |
| 23:53.38 | Mousey | i'd LOVE to use LVM |
| 23:53.43 | RedPenguin | there's a button it seems like on the headphones, or is that just nothing? Right around where I guess it's the mic? |
| 23:53.46 | |thunder | It works great for me |
| 23:54.04 | KotCzarny | i'm using ext3 on sd and cf for quite a long time already |
| 23:54.26 | KotCzarny | and no bbs observed, yet |
| 23:54.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:54.37 | KotCzarny | (long time: 1-2 years) |
| 23:55.44 | KotCzarny | http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4226541&JRSource=googlebase.datafeed.PAN+RPSDV32GU1K |
| 23:55.46 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 23:55.53 | |thunder | Kot, the problem is that e ery time you write to the part, th journal is updated, doubling your writes. What do you see as being the advantage of 3 over 2 ?? |
| 23:55.58 | KotCzarny | ok, i probably saw 150$ on 16gb card |
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| 23:55.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:56.18 | KotCzarny | thunder: yeah, double writes, but, how long it will last? |
| 23:56.27 | termsig | KotCzarny: 16Gb max on newgg for sdhc cards.. |
| 23:57.08 | |thunder | KotCzarny: half as long as it coulc, obviously |
| 23:57.16 | KotCzarny | thunder: and how long it is? |
| 23:57.32 | KotCzarny | 10 years? |
| 23:57.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:57.36 | KotCzarny | 150? |
| 23:57.46 | |thunder | Thats not the point. The point is there is no afvantage |
| 23:57.53 | derf | One write to a journal sector can encompass _many_ writes to other sectors. |
| 23:57.57 | KotCzarny | by the time you reach your first bb you would be using some other technology |
| 23:58.08 | derf | I doubt it's anywhere near a 2:1 ratio. |
| 23:58.31 | lcuk | installed ubuntu proper on proper real hardware tonight |
| 23:58.43 | KotCzarny | ubutuized |
| 23:58.47 | KotCzarny | ubuntuized |
| 23:58.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:58.55 | lcuk | something like that :) |
| 23:59.17 | KotCzarny | derf, even at 5:1 ratio it's still LONG time with current sd/cf cards |
| 23:59.17 | texel | Anybody managed to get Poky installed on an N810 at all? |
| 23:59.18 | |thunder | Its one journal update per completed file modification. |
| 23:59.47 | KotCzarny | thunder: that's only with journal=data mount option |
| 23:59.56 | derf | Now, if you _really_ want to kill the card, mount something without noatime. |
| 23:59.59 | KotCzarny | if you have noatime it won't be that often |
