| 00:00.28 | crashanddie | I think a lot of providers are investing in a technology (hsdpa and related) that is in fact born dead |
| 00:01.06 | pupnik_ | wow with HSUPA i could upload with 1.45 MBit/s |
| 00:01.16 | crashanddie | lol |
| 00:01.29 | AStorm | pupnik_: you wish |
| 00:01.42 | AStorm | more like 512k with current tech |
| 00:01.47 | pupnik_ | that's what vodaphone is promising |
| 00:02.26 | crashanddie | Jesus 3: The return, "The Tech Christ is back, watch him now in the last hSUPPA" |
| 00:02.29 | pupnik_ | sorry i don't know anything about this, so ok 512k |
| 00:03.09 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm off |
| 00:03.10 | AStorm | that's 3.5M/768k |
| 00:03.11 | crashanddie | cheers everyone |
| 00:03.12 | AStorm | or so |
| 00:03.17 | AStorm | bye |
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| 00:03.29 | crashanddie | AStorm, don't worry, you'll have a decent internet connection, some day ;) |
| 00:03.51 | AStorm | maybe |
| 00:04.13 | AStorm | the day where rest of the world will have free IPv6 |
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| 00:04.28 | AStorm | at Internet3 speeds |
| 00:04.44 | elb | haha, IPv6 |
| 00:04.48 | elb | I'm laughing again |
| 00:05.02 | crashanddie | heh |
| 00:05.15 | crashanddie | AStorm, I have free IPv6, but honestly, I couldn't care less |
| 00:05.20 | KotCzarny | internet3? |
| 00:05.31 | KotCzarny | is still on internet1.. |
| 00:05.32 | AStorm | KotCzarny: google it |
| 00:05.42 | crashanddie | KotCzarny, some weird name given to new gen speeds |
| 00:05.44 | AStorm | some speeds of 10Gbit |
| 00:05.48 | KotCzarny | hehe.. marketing |
| 00:06.00 | KotCzarny | it's the same ol' tcp/ip |
| 00:06.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:06.03 | AStorm | no |
| 00:06.09 | KotCzarny | yeah.. just kidding |
| 00:06.13 | AStorm | it's not IP anymore |
| 00:06.20 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 00:06.25 | KotCzarny | tcp/ip was stable |
| 00:06.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:06.32 | AStorm | although it does simulate it |
| 00:06.47 | AStorm | legacy etc. |
| 00:06.57 | pupnik_ | i might prefer umts-surfbox w/hsdpa sitting on tablet usb port |
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| 00:19.49 | crashanddie | btw, is there any news on getting packet injection to work on the n810 ? Or is that just a definite NO ? |
| 00:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, re-write the drivers. :P |
| 00:20.18 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, heh, yeah |
| 00:20.19 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, somebody has been working on open source drivers. |
| 00:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure what state they're in, though. |
| 00:20.54 | pupnik_ | do you know people who have used usb wlan adapters? |
| 00:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, lots. :P |
| 00:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | My grandmother uses one, in fact. |
| 00:21.35 | pupnik_ | there are some nice ones with ext. antennae |
| 00:21.42 | pupnik_ | well with the tablets |
| 00:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:21.54 | GeneralAntilles | That, no. :P |
| 00:22.10 | pupnik | looking at hsdpa modems and kernel modules |
| 00:22.20 | crashanddie | pupnik, there aren't a lot of USB wlan adapters that are that good in fact (not for packet injection anyhoo) |
| 00:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'd go the wifi/HSDPA router route. |
| 00:22.47 | pupnik | one does need to research sure |
| 00:22.49 | crashanddie | but yeah, having the integrated wifi adapter for listening, and another for packet injection would be a dream come true, I'll admit |
| 00:25.02 | KotCzarny | crashanddie: usb wifi |
| 00:25.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:25.15 | KotCzarny | ah, sorry |
| 00:25.19 | crashanddie | KotCzarny, like I said, not that many good cards around |
| 00:25.19 | KotCzarny | backlog lag |
| 00:25.34 | KotCzarny | it only takes one good card |
| 00:25.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:26.47 | elb | what would one do with packet injection? |
| 00:27.27 | crashanddie | elb, crack a wep key in less than 2 minutes? |
| 00:28.04 | KotCzarny | is it... legit? |
| 00:28.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:28.11 | crashanddie | sure |
| 00:28.14 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 00:28.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:28.18 | crashanddie | as long as it's your wep key ;) |
| 00:28.21 | AStorm | not in the US |
| 00:28.24 | Navi | ha |
| 00:28.30 | AStorm | DMCA fwit |
| 00:28.30 | KotCzarny | astorm: i'm just kidding |
| 00:28.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:28.37 | Navi | not in Germany :;D |
| 00:28.49 | Navi | oh my, four eyes |
| 00:28.52 | elb | so, nothing in day-to-day operation? |
| 00:28.56 | crashanddie | AStorm, you're still allowed to audit your network security ;) |
| 00:29.14 | Navi | not in germany |
| 00:29.19 | crashanddie | elb, i've been using my laptop for the past 2 years for cracking wep keys all around, whenever I needed internet access |
| 00:29.43 | crashanddie | Until I got my 3G unlimited plan, provided by the company, of course |
| 00:31.05 | termsig | crashanddie: "Three"? |
| 00:31.35 | crashanddie | termsig, eh ? |
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| 01:27.37 | pupnik_ | anybody built rt73 drivers for os2008? |
| 01:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-13458.html ? |
| 01:30.08 | pupnik | wee |
| 01:30.50 | pupnik | hazzor rt73 usb lying around :) |
| 01:31.49 | pupnik | http://nitapps.com/ neat haxorish stuff! |
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| 01:40.15 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: wouldn't it be neat if we had an app/daemon for the NITs that detected a nearby NIT and would announce itself to it? (bluetooth perhaps) |
| 01:40.42 | pupnik | set up a low-priveledged mesh-type network |
| 01:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | Never get used. :P |
| 01:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah. |
| 01:40.50 | pupnik | i wonder if the OLPC tech could be abused to that |
| 01:41.01 | pupnik | well my two tablets are sitting here and they don't know about each other |
| 01:41.16 | pupnik | until i put em on the net of course |
| 01:41.21 | jott | and at linuxtag there will be alot of nits ;) |
| 01:41.48 | pupnik | morning jott |
| 01:41.58 | jott | heyho |
| 01:42.06 | pupnik | who you callin a 'ho? |
| 01:42.12 | pupnik | :P |
| 01:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | OLPC has additional hardware involvement, no? |
| 01:42.19 | jott | the channel :) |
| 01:42.30 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth would be a good way to detect proximity. |
| 01:43.02 | pupnik | yeah i don't know much about olpc |
| 01:43.10 | pupnik | but it would be neat if tablets could also join a OLPC mesh |
| 01:43.35 | pupnik | and maybe add a bluetooth low-level layer to it |
| 01:44.21 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: the tablet can communicate with more than one device via bluetooth? e.g. a2dp and bluetooth keybaord at once? |
| 01:44.26 | jott | "The Mesh Routing Protocol used in the OLPC laptop (OLPC-Mesh) is based on the 802.11s standard being developed by the 802.11 Task Group S" |
| 01:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that wouldn't be an issue. |
| 01:44.37 | pupnik | ah |
| 01:45.00 | pupnik | maybe we could do something more primitive just to bootstrap the interest in this |
| 01:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | A simple proximity alert might be interesting. |
| 01:45.26 | jott | i guess using bluetooth would be the right approach for a quick hack ;) |
| 01:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | With a little bit of user info. |
| 01:45.42 | t_s_o | didnt a recent news item from the bluetooth SIG talk about using bluetooth and wifi together? as in, bluetooth for initial pairing and setup, wifi for the heavy lifting ;) |
| 01:46.11 | elb | there's a name for that sort of setup |
| 01:46.16 | elb | (I don't remember what it is) |
| 01:46.20 | elb | but yeah, it's been discussed |
| 01:46.29 | jott | bittorrent tracker communication via bluetooth ;) |
| 01:46.37 | elb | I don't really see what the point is, myself |
| 01:47.20 | t_s_o | imo bluetooth security is better implemented then wifi security... |
| 01:47.26 | elb | hah |
| 01:47.32 | t_s_o | so anything that wifi can learn from bluetooth is a good thing ;) |
| 01:47.42 | pupnik | maybe just an easy shared directory via bluetooth, or a net level link for wireless gaming |
| 01:47.44 | elb | I'd be curious to see where that opinion came from |
| 01:47.50 | elb | bluetooth is pretty crap from beginning to end |
| 01:48.02 | jott | elb: from the bluetooth working group |
| 01:48.07 | jott | ;> |
| 01:48.22 | elb | it was obviously engineered by bell-heads who had never seen a decent network |
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| 01:48.53 | t_s_o | ericsson people iirc... |
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| 01:49.29 | pupnik | what's the data xfer rate on normal type bluetooth? |
| 01:50.19 | elb | there are like a zillion differnet modes |
| 01:50.31 | elb | bluetooth 1.x can push almost a megabit one way, but the return is a goat path |
| 01:50.52 | t_s_o | depends. if both devices are 2.x with edr support, it should clock in around 3Mbit/s on a good day ;) |
| 01:51.01 | elb | bluetooth 2.0 is like twice as fast or more |
| 01:51.37 | elb | but that can be messed up depending on what other devices are on the "network" |
| 01:51.40 | t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth <- cant speak for the reliability of the info but... |
| 01:51.46 | elb | (sort of like USB) |
| 01:52.45 | t_s_o | anyways, my reason for stating that bluetooth is more secure is based on how easy it is to get security in use rather then the strength of said security on paper... |
| 01:53.11 | t_s_o | getting working secure wifi seems nuts on comparison... |
| 01:53.33 | elb | oh, sure, it's easy, it's just crap |
| 01:53.50 | elb | (that leaves aside even the '0000' problem) |
| 01:54.04 | KotCzarny | thinking that way m$ windows has better security than linux |
| 01:54.05 | KotCzarny | etc. |
| 01:54.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:54.16 | elb | working wifi is much better now than it was a few years ago, things mostly Just Work with newer devices |
| 01:54.56 | elb | that said ... looking to your NIC for security isn't the best plan people have ever had ;-) |
| 01:55.08 | jott | as long as the default wpa key is not generated from the mac ... |
| 01:55.27 | KotCzarny | defaults are evil |
| 01:55.39 | pupnik | http://triptico.com/software/bluetooth.html |
| 01:55.47 | pupnik | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ |
| 01:56.35 | pupnik | no time to look into this :/ |
| 01:57.13 | elb | linux and bluetooth is a right mess |
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| 01:57.35 | elb | just getting two machines *paired* is a PITA |
| 01:57.43 | elb | much less passing packets ;-) |
| 01:58.07 | jott | never had actually problems with it.. |
| 01:58.13 | t_s_o | nor have i |
| 01:59.08 | t_s_o | KotCzarny: im not sure i follow you about windows being more secure then linux when using my comparison of wifi and bluetooth security... |
| 01:59.33 | t_s_o | still, i guess it could depend on what windows version one is talking about ;) |
| 01:59.39 | KotCzarny | settings things easier is not the same as more secure |
| 01:59.43 | jott | but it's like so much stuff.. for some it works and for some it fails (at least on the first try)... |
| 02:00.24 | t_s_o | KotCzarny: maybe so, but getting wifi security going is downright silly... |
| 02:00.37 | KotCzarny | it all depends on the setup |
| 02:00.42 | elb | I've never had problems pairing a device and a computer |
| 02:00.44 | KotCzarny | one can run without wep/wpa |
| 02:00.47 | elb | but pairing linux to linux has given me trouble |
| 02:01.02 | KotCzarny | if there's right vpn or only ssh access to the outside world |
| 02:01.05 | elb | success depends rather heavily on the various versions of your softwares |
| 02:01.07 | t_s_o | i have my N800 paried to my linux desktop right now ;) |
| 02:02.47 | pupnik | t_s_o: seems like a real alternative to wlan for short distance |
| 02:03.32 | t_s_o | pupnik: i use it far more then wlan to transfer files between my computer and my n800... |
| 02:03.38 | jott | if the toilet is out of bluetooth range its not an option ;) |
| 02:03.54 | elb | that might save you some battery power |
| 02:04.07 | elb | provided you're not transferring large amounts of data |
| 02:04.34 | elb | (it might either way) |
| 02:04.47 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15263&highlight=bluetooth+network some chat about mesh networks and tablets |
| 02:05.10 | t_s_o | elb: even more so if one have trouble with power saving on ones wlan... |
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| 02:08.39 | pupnik | "In 2007 Gartner estimates that 264 million PCs were sold, nearly all of which contain an x86 processor. In the same year almost 3 billion ARM processors were sold." Wooohoooo |
| 02:08.41 | t_s_o | btw, the only time i have bumped into the 0000 thing with bluetooth is for my headset |
| 02:08.50 | pupnik | hrm |
| 02:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray for refrigerators and digital razors, pupnik? :D |
| 02:09.55 | pupnik | just likes arm |
| 02:09.58 | freelikegnu | "Is that an ARM in your pocket?" |
| 02:10.32 | t_s_o | i love to see benchmarks on cortex based cpus vs those low wattage intels ;) |
| 02:10.38 | freelikegnu | "An ARM in the hand.." |
| 02:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm more interested in power consumption compared to performance, t_s_o. |
| 02:12.32 | freelikegnu | maybe the popularity of the arm in the U.S. has to do with the 2nd Amendement? |
| 02:14.00 | freelikegnu | wow, though crowd here tonite... |
| 02:14.14 | freelikegnu | tough even |
| 02:14.15 | t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: heh, true that. but i dont think the mainstream will take arm serious as the basis for a computing platform these days unless it can outperform intel chips while using less energy... |
| 02:15.08 | t_s_o | that is, devices that are more then a browser and media player... |
| 02:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I don't think most of the mainstream cares what architecture their stuff is using. |
| 02:15.32 | GeneralAntilles | The key is, does it get decent battery life while doing what I need it to do? |
| 02:15.39 | t_s_o | heh, maybe so |
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| 02:15.59 | t_s_o | and makes one look "good" while doing so, see iphone... |
| 02:22.33 | pupnik | the exceedingly high performance of desktops means desktop apps are bloaty and cpu hungry, which means they won't easily run even on low-power x86, and this helps insulate the handheld market from the desktop software |
| 02:23.08 | pupnik | maybe that idea is poorly worded |
| 02:23.15 | Navi | Meh |
| 02:23.22 | Navi | That's if you're focusing in the high end market |
| 02:23.43 | Navi | There are plenty of nonbloaty apps that are in development that are overshadowed by their flashy counterparts |
| 02:23.56 | pupnik | ok |
| 02:24.01 | Navi | s/are in development/are actively developed/ |
| 02:24.30 | elb | it is certainly the case that the rapid increase in CPU speed with no real increase in computer utility is doing Bad Things for application footprints |
| 02:24.45 | elb | I mean ... computers are four times as fast as they were five years ago, and don't essentially do any more than they did then |
| 02:27.57 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 02:28.02 | KotCzarny | they can run vista now |
| 02:28.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:28.19 | pupnik | KotCzarny: didn't you do something wtih battery status monitoring? |
| 02:28.27 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 02:28.31 | KotCzarny | i got drawn away |
| 02:28.32 | pupnik | http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/battery_status_1.0-2.armel.deb there's a neato app for it |
| 02:28.50 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:28.52 | pupnik | http://nitapps.com/ usage |
| 02:29.06 | KotCzarny | isn't it the one that enables battery applet as a side effect? |
| 02:29.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:29.41 | t_s_o | says so on the page |
| 02:29.42 | pupnik | i like seeing a percent not just the estimate, plus it's neat to be able to write to a logfile |
| 02:29.54 | KotCzarny | pupnik, not true |
| 02:29.58 | KotCzarny | it's ALWAYS an estimate |
| 02:29.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:30.22 | KotCzarny | it's an arbitrary number derived from few assumptions |
| 02:30.30 | pupnik | ok |
| 02:30.39 | pupnik | hmm my room lighting is at "0 lux" |
| 02:30.39 | KotCzarny | it's li-polymer/ion |
| 02:30.43 | Navi | I'm pretty sure he ment an estimated time left. |
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| 02:31.54 | t_s_o | heh, i wonder if one could mod the tablet to play that old modem connection "sound" whenever one connects via bluetooth ;) |
| 02:32.06 | Navi | Heh |
| 02:32.18 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 02:32.26 | t_s_o | still, that would invite beatings when out in public... |
| 02:32.26 | KotCzarny | when it starts pin-helper app |
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| 02:32.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:35.59 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.21 | Navi | wow |
| 02:36.26 | zerodegre | hey guys, how do i make my n810 show up on my LAN? |
| 02:36.36 | zerodegre | in my netowrk |
| 02:36.45 | KotCzarny | m$ guy |
| 02:36.59 | pupnik | ahhh :) |
| 02:37.00 | zerodegre | ? |
| 02:37.08 | KotCzarny | zerodgre: what do you mean by 'my lan' ? |
| 02:37.18 | zerodegre | on my wirless network at my house |
| 02:37.28 | KotCzarny | just connect it to the ap/adhoc |
| 02:37.32 | zerodegre | i want it to show up when i click netowrok |
| 02:37.41 | zerodegre | on my desktop |
| 02:37.54 | KotCzarny | network? |
| 02:38.15 | zerodegre | like in mwindows |
| 02:38.22 | zerodegre | i on my desktop |
| 02:38.29 | pupnik | does windows use broadcast ping to find hosts on the LAN? |
| 02:38.36 | KotCzarny | samba does |
| 02:38.38 | zerodegre | i want the n81o to be on my netowrk list |
| 02:38.51 | mikedep333 | does ITOS2008 even have a samba server? |
| 02:38.51 | pupnik | i don't think broadcast ping goes over wlan |
| 02:38.57 | KotCzarny | it sends samba discover packets on a regular interval |
| 02:38.59 | mikedep333 | pupnik: oit does |
| 02:39.04 | pupnik | oh |
| 02:39.08 | mikedep333 | *it does |
| 02:39.12 | elb | broadast works over wireless, just not quite how you'd expect |
| 02:39.17 | elb | it's kind of ghetto |
| 02:39.20 | zerodegre | i want to share the n810 on my network or map the drive in it |
| 02:39.35 | pupnik | maybe my wlan router is blocking it |
| 02:39.42 | elb | it isn't repeated by your router |
| 02:39.49 | elb | broadcast for 802.11 is LOS |
| 02:40.06 | mikedep333 | guys, to answer zerodegree's question, tell us if ITOS2008 has a samba server or not |
| 02:40.07 | KotCzarny | repeated broadcast packets are evil |
| 02:40.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:40.19 | elb | well, let me take that back -- I think there's more than one kind of broadcast, but I believe the standard Ethernet broadcast that most apps wind up using through the IP stack is LOS |
| 02:40.20 | pupnik | you can install samba server on it |
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| 02:48.48 | pupnik | 1) buy bulk usb wlan adaptors 2) attach antenna cable 3) bundle some pcap software, 4) sell for $1500 ... http://www.cacetech.com/products/airpcap-ex.htm |
| 02:49.11 | pupnik | ... profit! |
| 02:50.14 | KotCzarny | how much?! |
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| 02:57.24 | pupnik | ah i see why it's not so easy to do open-source driver for nokia wifi |
| 02:57.32 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000002.html |
| 02:59.02 | pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/ |
| 03:03.16 | t_s_o | i hope nokia picks a more open chip next time. hmm, how open is the one going to be used in that freerunner phone? |
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| 03:12.41 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.kolibrios.org/ |
| 03:12.42 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 03:12.54 | KotCzarny | os in fasm |
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| 03:19.15 | pupnik | looks like there exist no USB-B to micro-usb cables |
| 03:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Better off with an F-F adaptor. |
| 03:20.35 | pupnik | haven't been able to find one yet :P |
| 03:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | dealextreme? |
| 03:21.59 | freelikegnu | ebay |
| 03:22.19 | pupnik | i think they're illegal or something |
| 03:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:24.27 | WormFood | I'll bet I can find one local to me....I can find anything here |
| 03:26.55 | freelikegnu | some adapters may be illegal in some states, check with your local authorities |
| 03:27.12 | WormFood | heh |
| 03:27.20 | WormFood | there are no "states" where I live :P |
| 03:27.40 | freelikegnu | theres just 0 and 1 |
| 03:28.12 | WormFood | you have an "0"? I have to use the letter "O" |
| 03:28.34 | freelikegnu | :0 |
| 03:29.39 | t_s_o | heh, i found a FA-FA as part of a set that also included FB-FB and a FA-MB... |
| 03:29.42 | freelikegnu | man I have to figure out how the dbus scripts works |
| 03:30.28 | freelikegnu | the instructions and example is a bit out of my ability to grok |
| 03:31.25 | freelikegnu | like where are %5 and %7 variable coming from? |
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| 03:41.19 | halleck | I can not seem to find what is needed to get the 770 in host mode anymore. There used to be a firmware update, but now all I find is dead links. I have the hardware part injecting 5v I just need to switch it to host mode... |
| 03:41.29 | Navi | Female-female is totally illegal |
| 03:41.41 | halleck | wow... |
| 03:41.48 | halleck | just wow... |
| 03:42.03 | Navi | We're talking about USB, foo |
| 03:42.03 | pupnik | well a female usb to male usb-micro should be legal, no? |
| 03:42.13 | Navi | Probably |
| 03:42.25 | Navi | I feel sorry for the little guy, though |
| 03:43.01 | halleck | So no ideas on the software side of things for the 770? |
| 03:43.16 | Navi | I've never owned a 770 |
| 03:43.29 | Navi | I almost scored one for 20 bucks a year ago though |
| 03:43.37 | halleck | There used to be tons of information on it...now its all 8x0 specific and the old stuff is just broken links |
| 03:45.23 | Navi | grabs the weekly modest update |
| 03:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | halleck, http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm |
| 03:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | W16? |
| 03:45.43 | GeneralAntilles | Don't |
| 03:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | Breaks gmail imap. |
| 03:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | Navi |
| 03:45.53 | Navi | you know, someone should write up a complete 770 documentation dealie |
| 03:45.57 | Navi | I don't use imap |
| 03:46.10 | WormFood | I love imap |
| 03:46.14 | Navi | since progress on it has all but stopped |
| 03:46.33 | halleck | the standard flash utility can do it? I thought I needed special firmware, hmm thanks for the link GeneralAntilles |
| 03:46.34 | WormFood | I just installed my imap server a few weeks ago, because I got tired of pop3 fuckups with evolution |
| 03:48.30 | johnx | Ah, good to know it's not something I did that broke gmail/imap here |
| 03:49.15 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, I changed my theme and background: http://www.xenf.net/images/screenie.png |
| 03:49.40 | Navi | I'm a bit annoyed that I cant use the space at the top |
| 03:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:50.10 | Navi | or at least move those icons down |
| 03:50.16 | Navi | on the side |
| 03:50.24 | halleck | has anyone tried the 2008HE for the 770? Nokia says don't use it but they said that about 2007HE and it worked better than 2006 for me. |
| 03:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | Vote/contribute: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084 |
| 03:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | halleck, it works fine on my two 770s. |
| 03:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | They haven't been primary machines for a very long time. |
| 03:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | So it may or may not work well for you. |
| 03:51.20 | Navi | aw man |
| 03:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | Swap is key, anyway. |
| 03:51.23 | halleck | cool, good to hear! What doesn't work |
| 03:51.24 | Navi | change that bug report |
| 03:51.26 | halleck | ? |
| 03:51.28 | skibur | I'm looking for mencoder for N800 OS2008. |
| 03:51.28 | Navi | it breaks pop as well |
| 03:51.45 | halleck | what size swap do you recommend? |
| 03:51.45 | Navi | skibur, no offense, but it's not really smart to encode video on that slow arm O_o |
| 03:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | It can be a little flaky in high-memory situation, halleck. |
| 03:51.59 | skibur | I know |
| 03:52.02 | skibur | just looking for it |
| 03:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | 128MB is a good plan, plus upping the swappiness. |
| 03:52.07 | KotCzarny | skibut: you can use my build |
| 03:52.13 | skibur | cool |
| 03:52.21 | KotCzarny | i have enabled tv interface too |
| 03:52.23 | halleck | upping the swappiness? lol what does that mean. |
| 03:52.28 | KotCzarny | so it can record from camera too |
| 03:52.34 | skibur | so it acts like a camcoder? |
| 03:52.43 | KotCzarny | a little |
| 03:52.48 | skibur | uncompressed? |
| 03:52.58 | KotCzarny | manages 16fps @ 320x240 |
| 03:53.06 | KotCzarny | with ffmpeeg |
| 03:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | halleck, the device's tendency to use swap. |
| 03:53.09 | johnx | halleck, there's a setting in /proc/sys/vm (I think) that sets how likely the kernel is to use swap rather than canibalize it's cache |
| 03:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 03:53.24 | halleck | really, I did not know of that. Thanks |
| 03:53.33 | halleck | You guys are quite helpful :) |
| 03:53.34 | skibur | I will give it a try |
| 03:53.43 | GeneralAntilles | It can have an impact on memory card life, though. |
| 03:53.46 | KotCzarny | just google for: mrrau mencoder |
| 03:53.47 | johnx | it was new with 2.6. Fun to play around with on desktops too |
| 03:53.54 | skibur | I'm on it |
| 03:54.05 | KotCzarny | should come as 3rd link |
| 03:54.30 | halleck | Not too big of an issue, the way I see it by the time my card dies I should either be using something bigger. Or be using something that does not rely on bloody mmcs |
| 03:54.42 | johnx | exactly :) |
| 03:54.46 | KotCzarny | look in binaries |
| 03:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Good thinking, halleck. ;) |
| 03:55.09 | skibur | ok |
| 03:55.14 | skibur | found it |
| 03:55.25 | KotCzarny | also it's not that hard to build it yourself |
| 03:55.31 | skibur | this one? : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/ |
| 03:55.35 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:55.38 | skibur | ok |
| 03:55.48 | skibur | so just copy and run? |
| 03:55.55 | skibur | since its a bin |
| 03:55.57 | KotCzarny | probably unpack and chmod +x |
| 03:56.00 | KotCzarny | as well |
| 03:56.01 | skibur | ok |
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| 03:56.14 | KotCzarny | if you want the source just grab mplayer source |
| 03:56.21 | KotCzarny | and compile it with your flags |
| 03:56.27 | KotCzarny | (in sdk) |
| 03:56.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:56.30 | skibur | ok |
| 03:56.31 | halleck | GeneralAntilles: Is there a way to talk directly to the bluetooth module? |
| 03:57.08 | KotCzarny | also use 'save as' or wget |
| 03:57.17 | KotCzarny | because browser can break the file |
| 03:57.42 | skibur | yeah, it has happen for me as well |
| 03:58.08 | halleck | I am trying to decide whether I want to buy a bluetooth or wifi module for my arduino...I want my 770 to be able to program it as well as feed it input. |
| 04:02.22 | Navi | Is there a nuvo black theme? |
| 04:02.48 | KotCzarny | there's nuvoclear |
| 04:02.49 | pupnik | i have it on os2006 |
| 04:03.06 | Navi | Aw |
| 04:04.54 | Navi | Maemo's broken certificate is annoying |
| 04:05.53 | t_s_o | hmm? |
| 04:06.48 | skibur | hum... KotCzarny, chmod +x mencoder doens't enable execute |
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| 04:08.08 | KotCzarny | vfat has noexec |
| 04:08.16 | KotCzarny | it has to be on main fs |
| 04:08.49 | skibur | ok |
| 04:09.36 | skibur | ok |
| 04:09.42 | skibur | its set |
| 04:13.41 | skibur | so what is the driver? |
| 04:13.46 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 04:13.54 | skibur | v412 |
| 04:13.57 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:14.01 | KotCzarny | v4l2 |
| 04:14.07 | skibur | l |
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| 04:17.18 | skibur | nice |
| 04:17.20 | skibur | it works |
| 04:17.28 | skibur | the screen is flip |
| 04:17.35 | skibur | but cool |
| 04:18.46 | skibur | :S 99.9mb for secs |
| 04:19.22 | KotCzarny | use video compression |
| 04:19.44 | skibur | yeah |
| 04:20.19 | skibur | what about videocamera? |
| 04:20.48 | KotCzarny | what videocamera? |
| 04:21.05 | skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19010 |
| 04:21.40 | KotCzarny | that's mplayer |
| 04:22.15 | KotCzarny | btw. this post is wrong |
| 04:22.24 | KotCzarny | camera will flip image by itself |
| 04:22.28 | KotCzarny | when turned |
| 04:23.49 | skibur | I think they are talking about mencoder recordering |
| 04:24.06 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 04:24.13 | skibur | because I was recordering just now, but when I flip the cam, it didn't auto flip. |
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| 04:30.44 | t_s_o | from what i recall, there is a setting in gconf that has something to do with camera flip... |
| 04:32.57 | t_s_o | found it, /system/osso/af/camera-has-turned |
| 04:33.36 | t_s_o | kinda funny how setting it to true will flip the camera image no matter what :) |
| 04:33.53 | KotCzarny | nice to know |
| 04:33.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:36.07 | t_s_o | all kinds of stuff hides there, like the controls for the inscreen keyboard when a real keyboard is attached, or the N810 keyboard is slid out |
| 04:36.14 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 04:36.16 | KotCzarny | i like it |
| 04:36.21 | KotCzarny | i mean knobs |
| 04:36.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:37.18 | t_s_o | i just wonder why the "launch on camera extend" seems to reset on reboot... |
| 04:37.35 | skibur | just saw you post t_s_o |
| 04:37.44 | skibur | your |
| 04:37.58 | t_s_o | hmm, could be related to the schemas |
| 04:38.16 | t_s_o | yep, i figured people could find it interesting, or redundant... |
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| 05:13.22 | Italodance | hi guys |
| 05:13.59 | Italodance | how can i turn on my wlan ? infact without searching |
| 05:17.36 | zion | Italodance: (warning I am a newb) but I would guess in the connection manager. otherwise I think you have to search |
| 05:18.18 | zion | is the n810 suppose to come with a user manual? |
| 05:19.05 | doc|home | there's one in pdf form on the image |
| 05:20.16 | zion | yeah... this device is just making me freel real stupid |
| 05:20.35 | zion | plug in a minisdhc card... how do I use it? |
| 05:21.04 | zion | no indication it was successfully registered or anything |
| 05:23.01 | johnx | zion, if it doesn't show up then something isn't working right |
| 05:23.17 | johnx | is it a microsdhc in an adapter? |
| 05:23.31 | johnx | basically just make sure that it's formatted and seated all the way |
| 05:23.34 | zion | card says: "miniSDHC class 6" |
| 05:23.53 | zion | well, n810 is the only card read I have atm |
| 05:24.08 | johnx | so it's a brand new card, then? |
| 05:24.21 | zion | yep |
| 05:24.44 | zion | probably not formatted... hrmm |
| 05:24.54 | johnx | probably is formatted... |
| 05:25.03 | johnx | they'd get so many support calls if it wasn't :) |
| 05:25.21 | johnx | Just make sure it's clicked in all the way. I have an N800, but I thought I remembered someone having that problem with an N810 |
| 05:26.31 | zion | anything I should look for in dmesg? |
| 05:26.51 | zion | don't see any devices being mounted |
| 05:26.58 | johnx | yeah, it should say something about setting the voltage for the card |
| 05:27.26 | zion | yep. got that |
| 05:27.39 | zion | Setting voltage 'VMMC; to 3000 mV |
| 05:28.21 | zion | ah! it showed up |
| 05:28.24 | zion | nice |
| 05:28.25 | johnx | woo! |
| 05:28.37 | zion | must not have pushed it in far enough |
| 05:29.17 | Italodance | hi zion welcome here :D |
| 05:29.48 | johnx | ok, now, Italodance what are you trying to do with WLAN? |
| 05:30.00 | zion | anyone port keychain to maemo? |
| 05:30.07 | Italodance | hi johnx how are ya today? :D |
| 05:30.21 | johnx | pretty good. :) |
| 05:30.32 | Italodance | johnx i want just to see my wlan as turn on |
| 05:30.53 | Italodance | infact without an always searching for connections... |
| 05:30.56 | Italodance | just be on |
| 05:31.04 | zion | Italodance: once you connect to it, it should always just auto connect when it comes in range |
| 05:31.17 | johnx | Once you've connected to an access point, save the access point when it asks you |
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| 05:32.12 | Italodance | johnx well i want to connect my n800 to laptop but laptop needs to see it as on (and n800 just can searching but couldn't find it) |
| 05:32.15 | johnx | then in settings -> control panel -> Connectivity make sure it says "Connect automatically: WLAN connections" |
| 05:33.32 | johnx | to connect between a laptop and the n800 you need to use an ad-hoc connection |
| 05:33.35 | Italodance | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.02 | Italodance | yes i done all ad-hoc/setting/ip... |
| 05:34.24 | johnx | and you selected ad-hoc on both the laptop *and* the n800 |
| 05:34.35 | johnx | you don't need both of them to be on to set both of them to ad-hoc |
| 05:36.04 | Italodance | johnx oh thank u :D |
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| 05:37.31 | opendeep | hi |
| 05:37.35 | johnx | hello |
| 05:41.32 | zion | there is no bzip? |
| 05:41.40 | johnx | it's in a repository |
| 05:41.53 | johnx | go to http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 05:42.00 | johnx | search for bzip2, install that repository |
| 05:42.09 | johnx | you'll be doing that a lot, I'm afraid... |
| 05:42.15 | zion | ok... that looks like a useful url |
| 05:42.49 | johnx | just don't add all the repositories at once |
| 05:42.58 | zion | heh |
| 05:43.15 | johnx | some contain packages that conflict, some contain packages with mismatched versions, some don't contain packages for the right OS200x version |
| 05:44.37 | johnx | just add repos as you need them, and you should be fine |
| 05:44.38 | Italodance | johnx The transparent background can work good on os2008? |
| 05:45.00 | johnx | Italodance, are you referring to home applets? |
| 05:45.53 | Italodance | johnx yes i am looking for another app like simple launcher for os2008 |
| 05:46.49 | Italodance | johnx tell me what is the name of this app ?http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166696 |
| 05:47.15 | johnx | Idea |
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| 05:48.08 | johnx | but it's not out for os2008 |
| 05:48.43 | Italodance | johnx ah what a pity are u sure? :( |
| 05:49.12 | johnx | I don't know. Why not search? |
| 05:49.31 | Italodance | Idea...ok that's name |
| 05:49.36 | johnx | yes |
| 05:50.22 | zion | what distro is the n810 running? chinook? |
| 05:50.37 | johnx | yes |
| 05:51.21 | Italodance | zion chinook = maemo 4.0 / 4.0.1 |
| 05:51.27 | zion | ok... think I am missing something |
| 05:51.41 | zion | do a search for Bzip and nothing shows up |
| 05:51.46 | johnx | hmm |
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| 05:52.24 | zion | and have the Maemo Chinook repo installed, enabled and sync'd |
| 05:52.36 | johnx | ah, there's more than one |
| 05:52.49 | johnx | wait a second? |
| 05:52.53 | johnx | you looked in app manager? |
| 05:52.57 | zion | yep |
| 05:53.01 | johnx | try apt-get |
| 05:53.07 | zion | heh |
| 05:53.26 | johnx | app manager only shows things that have "Section: user/*" set in the .deb |
| 05:53.53 | zion | ah |
| 05:54.02 | zion | so I need to get root hen |
| 05:54.04 | zion | then |
| 05:54.08 | zion | googles for tutoiral |
| 05:54.17 | johnx | grab easyroot from nitapps.com :) |
| 05:54.36 | johnx | or install openssh-server |
| 05:54.50 | t_s_o | then its root and apt-get install bzip2 in terminal |
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| 05:56.14 | zion | nitapps repo.install doesn't have the right mimetype set |
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| 05:59.35 | johnx | you can just save it and open it in file manager or app manager |
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| 06:19.10 | WormFood | I wished to hell they would fuckin' fix the god damn dhcp client! |
| 06:19.21 | t_s_o | ? |
| 06:19.26 | KotCzarny | fuckin fuck fuck fuck fuuuck |
| 06:19.37 | KotCzarny | stop fucking saying fuck every fucking word |
| 06:19.37 | KotCzarny | fuck |
| 06:20.00 | johnx | jeez, KotCzarny, stop your fuckin' swearing. I'm fucking sick of it. :P |
| 06:20.07 | WormFood | it is fuckin' frustrating as fuckin hell to not be able to use my fuckin' wireless...FUCK! |
| 06:20.09 | t_s_o | what is this, a verbal recreation of vietnam style carpet bombing by B-52's? ;) |
| 06:20.14 | KotCzarny | fucking say that fucking fuckity fuck nokia and get the fuck out this chan |
| 06:20.19 | WormFood | ok, I said it more that time just to fuck with you :P |
| 06:20.57 | KotCzarny | want it fixed, file a bug |
| 06:21.03 | KotCzarny | but don't bug US |
| 06:21.07 | WormFood | it has been filed! |
| 06:21.12 | KotCzarny | then just wait |
| 06:21.18 | t_s_o | err, remind me about whats wrong with it? |
| 06:21.18 | KotCzarny | without swearing |
| 06:21.21 | WormFood | I just connected, disconnected, and now I get an error |
| 06:21.32 | WormFood | I unplug the router, plug it back in, and now I can connect |
| 06:21.44 | WormFood | there seems to be 2 different problems with the dhcp client |
| 06:21.45 | johnx | t_s_o, it doesn't handle DHCP NAKs correctly, IIRC |
| 06:21.47 | KotCzarny | tso: nobody knows, probably some dangling leases, but who knows |
| 06:22.00 | johnx | WormFood, that sounds like the DHCP NAK problem... |
| 06:22.09 | johnx | I think it's just that one problem, really |
| 06:22.10 | WormFood | yeah, that is what I think this one is |
| 06:22.20 | WormFood | but there seems to be another problem too |
| 06:22.35 | WormFood | maybe it is because the n800 can hear APs it can't actually reach |
| 06:22.44 | WormFood | BOTH problems are frustrating as hell |
| 06:22.53 | WormFood | and I have them both |
| 06:22.54 | KotCzarny | stop swearing |
| 06:23.15 | WormFood | what did I say this time? |
| 06:23.22 | johnx | KotCzarny, you don't need to be the channel police... |
| 06:23.38 | t_s_o | so the N800 behaves like that customer thats right even when proven wrong? |
| 06:23.39 | KotCzarny | johnx, police? |
| 06:23.45 | KotCzarny | it's the netiquette |
| 06:23.55 | KotCzarny | police would be if i had the op |
| 06:23.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:24.00 | johnx | right, and you don't need to "enforce" it :) |
| 06:24.29 | WormFood | yeah, I haven't said "Fuck" in a while |
| 06:24.38 | WormFood | I was just asking what I said |
| 06:24.54 | KotCzarny | wormfood: every word that is emotionally loaded |
| 06:25.01 | KotCzarny | it's computers |
| 06:25.05 | KotCzarny | you can break it |
| 06:25.09 | KotCzarny | but it won't help |
| 06:25.13 | KotCzarny | if you shout at it |
| 06:25.34 | WormFood | chuckles at KotCzarny |
| 06:25.43 | WormFood | you're so funny |
| 06:25.45 | KotCzarny | yawns and goes back to lurk mode |
| 06:25.51 | WormFood | :P |
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| 06:26.22 | johnx | t_s_o, basically, what happens is: you get a lease for 192.168.1.x , you switch to another AP that uses a 10.0.0.0 class B, your N800 asks for its 192.168.1.x lease back, the DHCP server sends a NAK, and the N800 gives up, when instead it should ask for a new lease |
| 06:26.37 | johnx | (IIRC) |
| 06:26.38 | WormFood | not in my case johnx |
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| 06:26.54 | johnx | that's just one example... |
| 06:27.03 | johnx | it could happen with another 192.168.x.x network |
| 06:27.04 | WormFood | I connected to the AP, disconnected, and when I try to connect again I get an error....I unplug the AP, and now I can connect |
| 06:27.16 | t_s_o | hmm, i cant say i have seen that happen... |
| 06:27.32 | WormFood | I mean....I unplug the ap, AND THEN PLUG IT BACK IN...hehehe...of course |
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| 06:29.13 | johnx | It's hard to debug without being there. I bet a NAK is involved though |
| 06:29.28 | johnx | It's also possible your AP is not all that clever |
| 06:29.45 | WormFood | my AP is a piece of cisco/linksys shit! |
| 06:29.55 | WormFood | I'm sure a NAK is involved |
| 06:30.31 | WormFood | because when I power cycle it, it works again |
| 06:30.43 | WormFood | I don't have problems with any other piece of equipment with it |
| 06:31.28 | WormFood | I'm trying to get my WEP cracking to work...so I'm testing it with my N800 |
| 06:31.32 | johnx | WormFood, is it a linksys that can run openwrt? |
| 06:31.38 | WormFood | yes |
| 06:31.48 | WormFood | but if I do that, then I can't revert it back to factory |
| 06:31.54 | johnx | why not? |
| 06:31.56 | WormFood | it seems nobody has extracted this version of firmware |
| 06:32.00 | johnx | aaah |
| 06:32.05 | WormFood | and this version of firmware is not on their web site |
| 06:32.17 | WormFood | this is a WTR54G |
| 06:32.22 | johnx | is there a reason you want that specific firmware? |
| 06:32.26 | WormFood | NOT a WRT54G |
| 06:32.34 | johnx | ah, right |
| 06:32.42 | johnx | I remember now |
| 06:32.49 | WormFood | because I think this firmware has features not in the openwrt |
| 06:33.04 | johnx | really? that's pretty interesting |
| 06:33.15 | WormFood | I think...I could be wrong |
| 06:33.17 | johnx | like not working with your N800? :P |
| 06:33.24 | johnx | mine is totally missing that feature :) |
| 06:33.38 | WormFood | it works....as long as I don't need it to work....as soon as it need it to work it quits working |
| 06:33.49 | WormFood | I swear this thing has a "critical use" detector on it |
| 06:34.05 | WormFood | This is a "travel router" |
| 06:34.17 | johnx | anyways, what is the feature you think openwrt doesn't have |
| 06:34.19 | WormFood | it will allow me to connect to an open wireless access point, and rebroadcast it |
| 06:34.21 | johnx | I may actually know |
| 06:34.38 | WormFood | it will also allow me to give a wired computer wireless access |
| 06:35.08 | johnx | is that WDS? or something else? |
| 06:35.22 | WormFood | so I put the WAP in the window, and run a coax to the desktop, and now the desktop has internet :D |
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| 06:35.30 | WormFood | don't know about "WDS" |
| 06:35.45 | johnx | that is an interesting feature |
| 06:35.57 | WormFood | it is very nice feature |
| 06:36.00 | WormFood | I have used it before |
| 06:36.03 | johnx | I must admit that I didn't know something like that was possible |
| 06:36.17 | WormFood | it is all in software |
| 06:36.26 | WormFood | instead of using it as a wap, use it as a client |
| 06:36.39 | WormFood | I don't think openwrt has anything like that |
| 06:36.44 | johnx | well, the openwrt firmware can act as a client, definitely |
| 06:36.51 | WormFood | check out the WTR54G |
| 06:36.59 | johnx | but rebroadcasting is something I'm not sure about |
| 06:37.02 | WormFood | it has 2 ethernet ports on it |
| 06:37.23 | WormFood | then openwrt should be able to give a desktop wireless access through normal ethernet |
| 06:37.45 | WormFood | but I actually use that wireless to wireless feature |
| 06:38.01 | WormFood | I put the AP in the window, and now I can use my laptop or n800 anywhere around the house |
| 06:38.20 | WormFood | the one feature it is lacking is the ability to connect to an encrypted wap, even if I have the key :( |
| 06:38.50 | johnx | hmm...it looks like openwrt isn't even supported for it yet |
| 06:39.27 | WormFood | I'll be the n800, with the right software, would be able to give my laptop an internet connection through the usb port, and have the n800 act as a wireless client |
| 06:39.41 | WormFood | I have read that there is a version of something for it |
| 06:39.50 | WormFood | ddwrt or openwrt |
| 06:39.54 | WormFood | i forget |
| 06:40.49 | johnx | ddwrt works apparently |
| 06:40.57 | WormFood | ok, that is the one then |
| 06:41.01 | johnx | though v2.x has only 8MB of RAM, which is kinda painful |
| 06:41.07 | WormFood | that is what I'm running on my wrt54g at home |
| 06:41.13 | WormFood | yeah, and of course, that is what I have |
| 06:41.21 | johnx | ah, weak sauce |
| 06:42.45 | zion | johnx: thnx for the help. |
| 06:43.00 | WormFood | oh....while I'm thinking about it....maybe someone has a fix for this problem.... |
| 06:43.00 | WormFood | zion, johnx is a great help |
| 06:43.00 | johnx | sure |
| 06:43.13 | zion | now I have to figure out what project to take up ... |
| 06:43.27 | WormFood | I modified that one file, I forget the name, in /etc...to give me a reboot option on my menu when I hit the power button |
| 06:43.30 | zion | prob should get use to scratchbox first |
| 06:43.57 | WormFood | now when I hit the power button, about 90% of the time nothing happens |
| 06:44.41 | WormFood | I enabled all the other options as well, like soft power off, and that shit....anyone know what I need to do to get the power button to work properly again? I figured it is one entry there that is screwing it up |
| 06:45.29 | johnx | WormFood, that's interesting...the same thing happened to me yesterday |
| 06:45.36 | johnx | but I didn't change anything in that file |
| 06:45.40 | WormFood | it is very frustrating |
| 06:45.44 | johnx | probably unrelated |
| 06:45.47 | WormFood | it is doing it ALL the time |
| 06:45.56 | WormFood | doing it = not working |
| 06:45.57 | johnx | if you remember the filename I can send you a fresh copy |
| 06:46.08 | WormFood | I can just re-edit it |
| 06:46.13 | johnx | maybe mce.ini or system-ui or something? |
| 06:46.22 | WormFood | system-it perhaps |
| 06:46.36 | WormFood | it was the only file in the directory, I remember that much |
| 06:47.12 | WormFood | it is not real important, just frustrating |
| 06:47.50 | WormFood | is there something I can do to make the menu normal sizes, like what is in os2007? |
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| 06:48.12 | johnx | Crack open the source code. :) |
| 06:48.28 | WormFood | thanks obi wan |
| 06:48.41 | johnx | meh, at least the code is open |
| 06:48.47 | johnx | you should look at personal menu though |
| 06:49.01 | johnx | smaller entries and it can replace the useless (IMHO) communications menu |
| 06:49.02 | WormFood | yeah |
| 06:49.28 | johnx | oooor...you could get the OS2007 one working in OS2008 |
| 06:49.30 | WormFood | what good is a screen of this resolution, if you make all the graphics double size |
| 06:49.43 | johnx | yeah, I kinda hate that menu |
| 06:49.59 | WormFood | you can delete the communications menu easily enough |
| 06:50.11 | WormFood | I just want to make them "normal" sized, like in os2007 |
| 06:50.21 | WormFood | I presume it is oversized so you can use your finger |
| 06:50.28 | johnx | that's the idea |
| 06:50.32 | WormFood | I mean, seriously, how many people actually use their finger on the n800? |
| 06:50.38 | johnx | I do |
| 06:50.38 | WormFood | I use my finger nail at best |
| 06:50.45 | johnx | no stylus here at all |
| 06:51.04 | johnx | and I can't be arsed to use a pen cap or whatever |
| 06:51.13 | johnx | thumbs work well for 90% of my day-to-day use |
| 06:51.19 | WormFood | really? |
| 06:51.22 | johnx | yeah |
| 06:51.26 | WormFood | I never use my finger |
| 06:51.33 | WormFood | many times I use my finger nail tho |
| 06:51.41 | johnx | i often use pointer fingernail |
| 06:51.46 | WormFood | I was thinking of cutting it to a point, to make a better stylus ;) |
| 06:51.52 | johnx | heh |
| 06:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | I barely ever use the stylus. |
| 06:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | WormFood, if it's really such an issue, use Personal Menu. |
| 06:52.08 | johnx | that's going a little overboard I think (cutting your nails for tablet use...) |
| 06:52.30 | WormFood | I was joking about that one johnx ;) |
| 06:52.35 | johnx | anyways, I just discovered the double-size scrollbar theme so I'm pretty thrilled |
| 06:52.47 | johnx | I think people have done it though O_o |
| 06:52.53 | WormFood | what do you mean, personal menu? |
| 06:53.01 | johnx | ah, "Personal menu" |
| 06:53.04 | johnx | google it on itt |
| 06:53.11 | johnx | it's a replacement app launcher menu |
| 06:53.20 | johnx | smaller entries |
| 06:53.28 | WormFood | really? never heard of it before now |
| 06:53.51 | johnx | Now you know! And knowledge is power! |
| 06:54.43 | WormFood | and power will help me take over the world....muhahahahahahaåååååå |
| 06:55.57 | johnx | ok, is that the kanji you meant to type? |
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| 06:56.15 | johnx | google translate tells me: Kazakhstan |
| 06:56.23 | sol289 | hello everybody |
| 06:56.36 | WormFood | it isn't kanji |
| 06:56.42 | WormFood | and yes, it is what I meant to type |
| 06:56.54 | WormFood | try to convert it from chinese to english |
| 06:57.45 | johnx | WormFood, ah, ok. One of them on its own translates to Kazakhstan though |
| 06:57.53 | johnx | try it :) |
| 06:58.16 | WormFood | I am trying it now |
| 06:58.18 | WormFood | I'm curious |
| 06:58.26 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 06:58.32 | johnx | yeah, seriously |
| 06:58.35 | WormFood | google translates it to "you you you" |
| 06:58.46 | johnx | right. if you put in two at once |
| 06:58.50 | johnx | but put in just one |
| 06:59.15 | WormFood | try 3 |
| 06:59.22 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 06:59.23 | WormFood | translate ååå |
| 06:59.26 | WormFood | that is right |
| 06:59.35 | johnx | heh |
| 06:59.43 | johnx | ah the wonder of robo-translators |
| 06:59.48 | WormFood | indeed |
| 06:59.58 | sol289 | where from can i install libsqlite3 to my n800? |
| 07:00.41 | johnx | go to http://gronmayer.com/it and search for it. |
| 07:01.19 | sol289 | johnx thanks! |
| 07:01.30 | johnx | sure :) |
| 07:02.06 | johnx | standard speech: don't install everything you see at gronmayer.com/it . No one vets that stuff, and some of it can conflict. be smart, be safe. :) |
| 07:03.00 | sol289 | johnx ok :) |
| 07:03.20 | WormFood | google translates "ç°" to "tin", but it is really "field" |
| 07:03.20 | WormFood | I know, that is one of my friend's family name |
| 07:03.29 | WormFood | and "天" to "days", but really it can mean days, or sky, or heaven, depending on the context |
| 07:03.55 | WormFood | it does translate "天天" properly ("every day") |
| 07:04.04 | johnx | terrifyingly I actually know some of these. :) |
| 07:04.20 | WormFood | this is all basic, simple stuff |
| 07:04.32 | johnx | still :) |
| 07:05.00 | WormFood | last time I tried it, it translated ç¾ to "usa", but that is only sometimes used as "usa", which is "ç¾å½" |
| 07:05.11 | sol289 | bye bye |
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| 07:05.19 | johnx | 'later sol289 |
| 07:05.49 | WormFood | I should try to sell my N800....maybe I can get more money out of it than what I paid for it ;) |
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| 07:06.20 | johnx | well, you certainly have scarcity on your side :D |
| 07:06.46 | wnd | uh, how exactly can 天 translate into "days"? |
| 07:06.52 | este_ | any of you guys know pyGTK ? |
| 07:07.01 | WormFood | yeah, that is a fact....someone else I met here said nokia tried to send them a N810, but customs rejected it, twice |
| 07:07.33 | WormFood | wnd, it is sometimes used as "days"....like "7 days inn" starts as "7天", for example |
| 07:07.43 | WormFood | I know, I just walked by a 7 days inn today |
| 07:08.00 | WormFood | but why is the word for "wine" part of the chinese word for "inn"? |
| 07:08.13 | wnd | I don't claim to know chinese but it sounds kind of unexpected |
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| 07:08.28 | wnd | I'll have to ask my chinese friend to explain when he's around :-) |
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| 07:08.46 | WormFood | é
is the word for wine, but also part of the word for "inn" (I don't know how to type that one yet) |
| 07:09.03 | WormFood | good luck...chinese is some weird shit sometimes |
| 07:09.27 | WormFood | do you know what ä¸ and å¿ means? |
| 07:09.42 | johnx | man, all languages are weird. Any sufficiently old system gets that way. Trying to explain to people why English acts the way it does is tough... |
| 07:09.55 | WormFood | ä¸ = middle, and å¿ = heart |
| 07:09.59 | wnd | sure |
| 07:10.07 | johnx | bah, was just about to reply :P |
| 07:10.17 | WormFood | but ä¸å¿ means "center" |
| 07:10.25 | johnx | makes sense |
| 07:10.41 | johnx | at the heart of the middle :) |
| 07:10.42 | WormFood | which makes a little bit of sense, because the heart of something means the core of it |
| 07:10.59 | WormFood | but ä¸ can also mean center |
| 07:11.25 | WormFood | but like "shopping center" is ä¸å¿ |
| 07:11.43 | johnx | heh |
| 07:11.57 | WormFood | now what I want to know, is how did the character for "rice" also become the character for "meter"? |
| 07:12.07 | WormFood | I don't remember how to type that one either |
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| 07:12.24 | sol289 | me again |
| 07:12.28 | wnd | like I said I don't know chinese (or chinese characters or their use), but I do know some japanese, and therefore a few things about kanjis. |
| 07:12.41 | WormFood | well, then you know some chinese |
| 07:12.50 | WormFood | because japan stole their writing system from china |
| 07:13.01 | wnd | I know. but I also know that it's not smart to generalise that knowledge |
| 07:13.10 | WormFood | indeed |
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| 07:13.33 | WormFood | japan has different writing systems, but the older one is still very chinese |
| 07:13.53 | WormFood | I know that 女 and ç· are still the same in japanese and chinese |
| 07:14.07 | johnx | so is middle :) |
| 07:14.31 | WormFood | and ä¸äº¬ is "tokyo" ;) |
| 07:14.42 | WormFood | which literally translates to "east capital" |
| 07:14.55 | sol289 | i can't see all repository software when i add it to my n800 (i see it on gronmayer) |
| 07:15.09 | WormFood | å京 is "beijing" and literally means "north capital" |
| 07:15.22 | sol289 | for example: sqlite (v. 2.8.17-4) |
| 07:15.46 | johnx | it won't show up in app manger unless it's in section: user/* |
| 07:15.47 | wnd | partly. japanese no longer use ä¹ to indicate ownership, they use hiragana ã® instead. then again japanese write horse as 馬 while it's 马 in simplified chinese. |
| 07:15.57 | sol289 | it is on gronmayer and it's not in list of applications for install |
| 07:16.08 | WormFood | you are right wnd |
| 07:16.13 | johnx | use apt-get |
| 07:16.28 | WormFood | but simplified chinese is only used in PRC, not ROC or HK or overseas chinese |
| 07:16.54 | wnd | but if you go to imperial palace, tokyo (or some temples in kyoto), you'll see them using ä¹ in certain places. |
| 07:16.57 | WormFood | I brought a chinese menu from usa with me (to china), and my friends pointed out the fact it uses traditional chinese characters on it |
| 07:17.19 | sol289 | like "apt-get sqlite"? i don't know much about linux, i'm more on freebsd :) |
| 07:17.22 | WormFood | I haven't learned the ä¹ character yet |
| 07:17.30 | este_ | here is Q for you N800/810 guys, there is a video from a nokia press event where they haul a table up 180ft and use the wimax (silly) the 'reporter' says the browser often locks up for a moment and then all of a sudden responds to all the blocked gui inputs, is this a wimax thing or is this representitive of how the opera browser in ITOS is ???? |
| 07:17.51 | WormFood | what is cool is to see very old chinese that is still readable |
| 07:18.03 | WormFood | it is amazing how some characters have not changed form in thousands of years |
| 07:18.27 | WormFood | and other characters changed so radically you can't even recognize them as the same characters |
| 07:18.34 | johnx | este_, opera isn't available on in OS2008, and yes, I could see how it would be possible for microb to be having that problem |
| 07:18.38 | wnd | how do you pronounce ä¹ in chinese? "e" as in "metro"? |
| 07:18.59 | WormFood | I don't know, I can speak very little chinese...I can read a LOT more than I can speak |
| 07:19.13 | WormFood | Chinese is VERY hard for me to speak or listen to |
| 07:19.32 | WormFood | I can say "I don't know" and "I don't understand" in chinese tho ;) |
| 07:19.40 | johnx | yeah, the tonal part sounds hard O_o |
| 07:19.48 | WormFood | it is hard |
| 07:20.01 | wnd | I think my chinese knowledge is limited to "yes", "no", "thank you" and "sorry" |
| 07:20.20 | sol289 | oh yeah! apt-get sqlite did the trick! |
| 07:20.23 | WormFood | there is no word for "no" |
| 07:20.27 | sol289 | thanks again :) |
| 07:20.35 | johnx | sure :) |
| 07:20.36 | WormFood | at best, it is "not" ä¸ |
| 07:20.59 | wnd | well, whatever it was what he told me |
| 07:21.05 | este_ | johnx: oh, I thought it was opera, but the browser gets blocked easily huh ? hmmmmmmmm |
| 07:21.09 | wnd | I wouldn't know |
| 07:21.14 | WormFood | if someone asks if you can speak chinese, you can't say "no", but you can say "not speak" |
| 07:21.27 | WormFood | if you don't have something, you can say "not have" |
| 07:21.43 | WormFood | there is a "yes" of course |
| 07:21.47 | johnx | este_, it can be flakey at times. The next version will be a lot better. Firefox has gotten a lot faster on ARM lately |
| 07:21.58 | WormFood | what is weird, is in china they actually say "sorry" (english) |
| 07:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Lot faster period. |
| 07:22.12 | GeneralAntilles | The reporter was probably complaining about it rendering. |
| 07:22.13 | este_ | johnx: is there a maemo port for ff coming / progressing ? |
| 07:22.19 | GeneralAntilles | It can get unresponsive during loading and rendering. |
| 07:22.25 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB is Gecko. |
| 07:22.25 | WormFood | I have few problems web browsing, other than the small screen |
| 07:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | Minefield is available |
| 07:22.35 | johnx | este_, microb *is* pretty much firefox for all intents and puprposes |
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| 07:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | But really not worth the time at this point. |
| 07:22.50 | este_ | ah, I get, |
| 07:23.16 | sol289 | next question: i want to install sqlite3, and it give me this: sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed |
| 07:23.24 | este_ | he said it was like his generic tivo, where he did something, then it locked up then he did something else, then something else, then all of a sudden it did all the things really fast |
| 07:23.36 | este_ | its on the handful of nothing blog |
| 07:23.58 | sol289 | can i tell apt-get that 3.4.1 is fine? :) |
| 07:24.48 | qwerty12 | sol289, How come you don't want to upgrade? |
| 07:25.52 | johnx | este_, that sounds about right for scrolling while a page renders |
| 07:26.02 | este_ | eh, its getting late. I need to get back to my pyGTK tutorial (absolutely terrible - should be banned from the internet!).. Thanks for the info on microb |
| 07:26.35 | sol289 | qwerty12 upgrade 3.4.1 to 3.4.2 you think? |
| 07:26.46 | johnx | the situation really is getting better though. In a couple months we'll have a couple really great browsers available |
| 07:26.50 | qwerty12 | sol289, Yeah :) |
| 07:26.58 | este_ | gecko 1.9 ? |
| 07:27.05 | qwerty12 | sol289, Doesn't sound bad :/ |
| 07:27.09 | sol289 | umm... apt-get upgrade libsqlite3 ? |
| 07:27.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, este_. |
| 07:27.23 | este_ | ah cool |
| 07:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | Currently a very old snapshot as shipped with Chinook. |
| 07:27.28 | WormFood | I'm going to take off...I'll see you guys later....have a good day/night/whatever |
| 07:27.33 | johnx | este_, midori, microb (w/ newer gecko), normal firefox, firefox mobile |
| 07:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | So Diablo will be a VERY significant upgrade in browser performance. |
| 07:27.44 | johnx | 'later WormFood |
| 07:27.52 | qwerty12 | sol289, It sounds like apt-get was going to do it anyway. It says "these packages will be updated..." |
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| 07:28.19 | sol289 | no it doesnt |
| 07:28.39 | sol289 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed |
| 07:29.00 | qwerty12 | Hmm, not sure on that one. Brb |
| 07:30.17 | sol289 | qwerty12 ok, from the beginning: i want to look inside of ~/.meta_storage, and some body in this channel told me that this file is a sqlite db |
| 07:31.05 | sol289 | `sqlite .meta_storage` tell me that this is not an sqlite db or it is broken |
| 07:31.06 | qwerty12 | > is greater than right? |
| 07:31.18 | sol289 | so now i want to try it with sqlite3 |
| 07:31.40 | sol289 | qwerty12 yes, i think so, arithmetics... :) |
| 07:31.56 | sol289 | *according to arithmetics :) |
| 07:32.00 | qwerty12 | I've never been good at maths :P :) |
| 07:32.58 | johnx | sol289, is there more than one sqlite3 available from another source, perhaps? |
| 07:33.02 | sol289 | i think that this sqlite3 dependency is not really important |
| 07:33.38 | sol289 | johnx how can i know this? how can i list repository contents? |
| 07:33.58 | qwerty12 | www.gronmayer.com/it has a search |
| 07:34.07 | qwerty12 | It's where I am now, looking for the lib :P :) |
| 07:34.22 | johnx | sol289, apt-cache poilicy sqlite3 |
| 07:34.34 | johnx | but that only deals with repos you already "installed" |
| 07:34.44 | qwerty12 | johnx, Ah, thanks, I didn't know that |
| 07:35.00 | johnx | apt-cache search is nice too |
| 07:36.33 | sol289 | johnx and how can i list already installed packages? |
| 07:36.54 | KotCzarny | dpkg -l |
| 07:37.14 | johnx | apt-cache policy package will show you what version is installed |
| 07:37.51 | sol289 | ok, i have libsqlite 3.4.1-1osso3 installed |
| 07:38.25 | sol289 | i'm little worry - if i deinstall 3.4.1-1osso3, and then install 3.4.2 - will all work then? :) |
| 07:38.37 | johnx | it would seem that way |
| 07:38.54 | sol289 | those unices are such surprising sometimes :) |
| 07:39.31 | johnx | that's why I didn't confirm or deny it, just said maybe :) |
| 07:40.17 | sol289 | johnx can i backup old version of package somehow? |
| 07:40.42 | sol289 | sorry for such lame questions :-\ |
| 07:40.47 | johnx | not terribly easily |
| 07:40.59 | johnx | dpkg-repack would do it, but it has lots and lots of dependencies |
| 07:41.12 | johnx | ah,libsqlite3 came with the tablet, didn't it |
| 07:41.22 | sol289 | yes, it is |
| 07:41.27 | johnx | I could see why you'd be worried about replacing it... |
| 07:41.34 | johnx | so would I :) |
| 07:42.41 | sol289 | so if i could just make sqlite3 think that 3.4.1 is enough - it would be much better than replace those Library That Comes With The Tablet :) |
| 07:43.08 | johnx | yes, you can unpack the package with ar -x, then unpack control.tar.gz |
| 07:43.15 | johnx | edit control to have the right depend and repack |
| 07:43.33 | johnx | it's a bit round-a-bout, but I've done similar things before |
| 07:43.52 | sol289 | johnx oh, ok, i'll try |
| 07:44.16 | sol289 | but... ar -x ? |
| 07:44.25 | sol289 | -sh: ar: not found |
| 07:44.30 | qwerty12 | Just a quick question, in flash player settings, when you have a camera selected and you tap the big blue webcam button, are you supposed to see what coming from your camera in that box? |
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| 07:45.00 | johnx | must not come with the tablet |
| 07:45.05 | johnx | but yes, ar is the right command... |
| 07:45.36 | sol289 | crap... |
| 07:46.25 | qwerty12 | http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/bin/ar.gz |
| 07:46.40 | qwerty12 | I figure a gz will be better as your apt may be messing up atm |
| 07:47.00 | sol289 | qwerty12 thanks |
| 07:47.43 | qwerty12 | np, just use gunzip on it |
| 07:48.19 | sol289 | i used gzip -d |
| 07:48.29 | sol289 | ok, it works |
| 07:48.47 | sol289 | but now i have to figure how to download sqlite3 package... |
| 07:49.04 | johnx | apt-get --download sqlite3 |
| 07:49.18 | johnx | hmm...might still complain about permissions though |
| 07:49.26 | johnx | s/permissions/dependencies/g |
| 07:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, Flash doesn't support the webcam. |
| 07:49.46 | johnx | v4l vs v4l2 |
| 07:49.48 | sol289 | yep, it still says about dependencies |
| 07:49.59 | johnx | you can force those |
| 07:50.09 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I've got omap24xxwebcam to show up via the v4l1 compatible layer but I don't get no video. Ah well. |
| 07:50.41 | sol289 | johnx you mean -f? |
| 07:51.31 | johnx | --force-yes |
| 07:51.49 | johnx | apt-get --download --force-yes sqlite3 |
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| 07:52.18 | Proteous | --force-cookie-in-mouth |
| 07:52.28 | sol289 | it says : E: Invalid operation sqlite3 |
| 07:52.37 | Proteous | apt-get install cookie |
| 07:52.44 | sol289 | should it be with 'install' command? |
| 07:53.05 | johnx | oops, yeah |
| 07:53.48 | sol289 | nope, still complains about deps |
| 07:54.01 | Proteous | apt-get install cookie INTO MY BELLY!! |
| 07:54.12 | qwerty12 | apt-get moo :P |
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| 07:54.34 | Proteous | install cookie fail; depends on mod_chocolatechip |
| 07:55.06 | Proteous | apt-cache search chocolate |
| 07:57.09 | sol289 | ok, how can i download package? |
| 07:58.04 | sol289 | ûéäøåó3 |
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| 07:58.06 | sol289 | sqlite3 |
| 07:58.13 | sol289 | from repository |
| 07:58.16 | sol289 | how? |
| 07:58.28 | johnx | just use a web browser |
| 07:58.37 | Proteous | *gasp* |
| 07:58.41 | johnx | it will be under pool probably |
| 07:58.43 | Proteous | faints |
| 07:58.52 | sol289 | and point to?... |
| 07:58.58 | johnx | the repo address |
| 07:59.18 | johnx | look it up in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon* |
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| 08:00.51 | sol289 | ok, i open http://debfarm.free.fr (where sqlite3 should be) and see nothing |
| 08:01.04 | sol289 | they says "coming soon" |
| 08:01.10 | johnx | http://debfarm.free.fr/pool/ |
| 08:01.55 | sol289 | thanks again :) |
| 08:02.12 | johnx | :) |
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| 08:08.37 | Zic | Anybody tried to test the emulation of N800 / OS2008 with the utilities of Poky Linux? |
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| 08:17.03 | zerodegre | is there an app for gmail? |
| 08:17.27 | johnx | a gmail checker statusbar icon? or a mail client that can access gmail? |
| 08:17.38 | zerodegre | mail clinet |
| 08:17.44 | qwerty12 | You can use built in client or modest with POP and mnotify is a notifier at the top. |
| 08:18.00 | johnx | yeah, modest (beta) generally works, but right now there is a bug that makes it not work |
| 08:18.05 | johnx | should be fixed next week |
| 08:18.11 | zerodegre | i just tried it |
| 08:18.13 | zerodegre | no luck |
| 08:18.13 | johnx | or maybe you could download the week 15 release |
| 08:18.21 | zerodegre | imap |
| 08:18.22 | qwerty12 | Ah, I don't use modest, or any email client come think of it. |
| 08:18.24 | zerodegre | with modest |
| 08:18.26 | sol289 | johnx qwerty12 KotCzarny thank you all guys, i've installed sqlite3 package and it works fine! |
| 08:18.47 | johnx | sol289, great! |
| 08:18.55 | qwerty12 | sol289, Nice :) |
| 08:19.05 | johnx | zerodegre, you're using the week 16 release? or week 15? |
| 08:19.12 | zerodegre | dont know |
| 08:19.16 | zerodegre | i downloaded it tonight |
| 08:19.25 | zerodegre | what do i want? |
| 08:19.39 | johnx | just wait until next week for the fix |
| 08:19.41 | zerodegre | when i set up the server, its like it never even found the gmail servers |
| 08:19.43 | zerodegre | ok |
| 08:19.44 | johnx | or try an old version |
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| 08:23.47 | sol289 | bye bye |
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| 08:31.20 | UserID10T | Hey everyone! |
| 08:31.28 | UserID10T | Good morning from Texas! |
| 08:31.44 | johnx | mornin' |
| 08:31.47 | qwerty12 | Morning from London :) |
| 08:32.01 | UserID10T | I just ordered my nokia n800 |
| 08:32.12 | UserID10T | And I am super excited to get it and break it. Cause I know I will. |
| 08:32.20 | UserID10T | Never used anything Linux based before. |
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| 08:33.06 | KotCzarny | you shouldn't worry |
| 08:33.09 | lcuk | about the worst you can do from a program side is need to reflash it - its very diffucult to break it by being a n00b |
| 08:33.12 | KotCzarny | it's quite hard to break |
| 08:33.16 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 08:33.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:33.18 | lcuk | morning kot |
| 08:33.22 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 08:33.31 | KotCzarny | dog hour |
| 08:33.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:33.50 | lcuk | ? i slept - its morning(ish) now |
| 08:34.11 | KotCzarny | it's ~4am |
| 08:34.17 | KotCzarny | the worst hour (for some) |
| 08:34.18 | UserID10T | 3:34 here. |
| 08:34.20 | lcuk | lol :D |
| 08:34.23 | qwerty12 | It's 9:34 here |
| 08:34.32 | lcuk | i hit 4 am a few times last week |
| 08:34.37 | UserID10T | My eyes hurt. Yay. |
| 08:34.45 | KotCzarny | mine not |
| 08:34.47 | lcuk | but last night i went to sleep thinking about angle sums |
| 08:34.57 | johnx | yay! That's the Linux. :) |
| 08:35.00 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 08:35.03 | qwerty12 | Good way to ensure you get to sleep ;) |
| 08:35.25 | lcuk | not really it kept me awake |
| 08:35.25 | KotCzarny | yeah, having a sleep with algos is cool |
| 08:36.01 | qwerty12 | Lol, thinking about that would get me to sleep. I really hate maths :P |
| 08:36.09 | lcuk | at least i know what to do now |
| 08:36.14 | KotCzarny | i like maths |
| 08:36.21 | KotCzarny | at least it's dependable |
| 08:36.25 | KotCzarny | and logical |
| 08:36.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:36.48 | lcuk | and does exactly what you ask for even though its not what you need. |
| 08:37.03 | johnx | very much like Unix :) |
| 08:37.05 | KotCzarny | assuming you know all the variables |
| 08:37.19 | KotCzarny | otherwise randomness creep in |
| 08:37.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:37.33 | qwerty12 | Meh, the best part of maths is finding the best *cough* rude *cough words to type in on a scientific calculator |
| 08:37.35 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 08:37.44 | KotCzarny | that's fun too |
| 08:37.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:37.58 | KotCzarny | but limited |
| 08:38.31 | qwerty12 | Hehe, me and my friend just get out our phones and play games against each other, teacher doesn't even realise |
| 08:38.49 | lcuk | i need brew and then got shitty nappy to change. *fun* i'm so looking foreward to that * o.O * |
| 08:39.03 | UserID10T | Does anyone know if regular roms will work with the xmaime app? |
| 08:39.43 | johnx | "regular"? |
| 08:40.03 | UserID10T | Roms downloaded from the web, given that I have the original cartidge. |
| 08:40.04 | KotCzarny | johnx: yeah, those chips that you rip from machines |
| 08:40.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:40.11 | lcuk | UserID10T, just push the rom chip into the back of your 800 (wedge it in) and then force the battery on top |
| 08:40.18 | lcuk | your nokia will boot up perfectly everytime |
| 08:40.21 | UserID10T | Cute. |
| 08:40.46 | johnx | UserID10T, well, I imagine it would depend on the game, but I don't think you'll have to do anything special |
| 08:40.49 | KotCzarny | some rattling to be expected though |
| 08:40.51 | johnx | it will either work or it won't |
| 08:40.54 | lcuk | not sure though, would expect they would work since its a mame port |
| 08:41.06 | UserID10T | Fair enough, good answer johnx. |
| 08:41.11 | KotCzarny | anyway, pupnik is the emu man here |
| 08:41.14 | KotCzarny | so ask him |
| 08:41.30 | lcuk | or go and ask him in person at LinuxTag next month |
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| 08:46.18 | qwerty12 | Does mbcache need to be loaded before the softcursor bitblit font fbcon modules? |
| 08:46.18 | lcuk | back later :) |
| 08:47.05 | lcuk | *blit* *font* ding |
| 08:48.29 | qwerty12 | Meh, I can't get the framebuffer stuff to work after a reflash. Funny thing is ,that I had it working fine before I reflashed. |
| 08:51.09 | wom- | hmm, funny jango.com plays music just fine on N810.. tried jango on ps3, result = "Not enough memory" |
| 08:51.12 | wom- | :D |
| 08:51.45 | qwerty12 | Hehe, netfront sucks (except on pocket pc's) |
| 09:00.17 | m-c | I have taken to watching webshows on my N800 which I live very much |
| 09:00.30 | m-c | or, rather, like |
| 09:01.24 | m-c | owned the thing for a year and never considered it |
| 09:01.34 | m-c | but I like watching them even better than my desktop |
| 09:02.19 | johnx | it makes a great last.fm radio too |
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| 09:09.23 | lcuk | what happens when an unsigned int rolls over? and (for the Datas amongst you) how long will it take when increasing at about 50,00 per 10 seconds |
| 09:09.28 | lcuk | 50000 |
| 09:09.48 | KotCzarny | it rolls over |
| 09:09.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:10.21 | t_s_o | it basically goes from max value to min value. what happens after that depends on how critial it is that it never hits 0... |
| 09:10.44 | tank-man | the second part of the question depends on how many bits |
| 09:11.10 | lcuk | i know it will end up in an almost infinite loop, but im just trying to wonder how long it would take ;) |
| 09:11.10 | KotCzarny | as for time, do echo $[0xffffffff/50000*5] and you will get time in minutes |
| 09:11.17 | KotCzarny | *6 |
| 09:11.54 | KotCzarny | (it may be \x instead 0x |
| 09:11.56 | KotCzarny | or \\x |
| 09:12.06 | lcuk | and how long someone stuck in the loop might have to wait before getting that one sunrise in egypt facing the pyramid on top of a hill type chance of unlocking the system |
| 09:12.23 | lcuk | (as the number nears rolling round again) |
| 09:12.25 | KotCzarny | that depends on the sun |
| 09:12.27 | tank-man | depends on where mars is in the sky |
| 09:12.56 | lcuk | i think i should just relate all values and start from zer o each time :) |
| 09:13.03 | lcuk | it may still roll round eventually though |
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| 09:16.38 | lcuk | kow, just worked it out. with this the program will stop waking the screen up after about 858993.4592 seconds of running. the blanker will engage ;) |
| 09:16.47 | lcuk | kot* |
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| 09:17.04 | lcuk | stops worrying |
| 09:17.19 | KotCzarny | you can just reset it in the midway |
| 09:17.23 | KotCzarny | (the counter) |
| 09:17.49 | pupnik | thanks for providing a genuine 'wtf' moment when peering into #maemo chat |
| 09:18.12 | opendeep | hello X_Fade_ |
| 09:18.30 | KotCzarny | pupnik: :) |
| 09:18.56 | lcuk | lol pupnik :D gotta do something to take my mind of nappies |
| 09:19.33 | KotCzarny | heh.. i have misread as 'nipples'... |
| 09:19.40 | lcuk | incidentally, pupnik we have solved the blanking |
| 09:19.44 | KotCzarny | i should get some sleep |
| 09:19.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:19.49 | pupnik | great! |
| 09:19.50 | lcuk | yes, go go :P |
| 09:19.58 | KotCzarny | bye then |
| 09:19.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:20.05 | pupnik | cheers |
| 09:20.08 | lcuk | cya later Kot |
| 09:20.10 | pupnik | can i have a binary? |
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| 09:20.24 | lcuk | later on today you most certainly can |
| 09:20.35 | pupnik | ok thanks |
| 09:21.49 | lcuk | we were discussing everything yesterday and its looking more and more likely that all this will end up in a proper lib - with the specific programs using it :) |
| 09:22.10 | lcuk | (ie you dont have to wade through demo screens to get to your reader |
| 09:22.28 | lcuk | but for now its family duties, back later |
| 09:22.48 | pupnik | cheers |
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| 09:24.26 | t_s_o | binary of what? |
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| 09:48.42 | qwerty12 | Wanna guess how many times in total, I've flashed initfs this morning? |
| 09:51.25 | Gepsu | 42 |
| 09:51.42 | qwerty12 | Half that amount ;) :P :) |
| 09:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 09:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | You're gonna burn it out. :P |
| 09:52.43 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I know :D, I've flashed it so many times before too :/ |
| 09:53.11 | qwerty12 | It's because I'm a stupid perfectionist |
| 09:53.11 | qwerty12 | rolls eyes |
| 09:54.42 | lcuk | reflashes qwerty12's eyes |
| 09:55.30 | lcuk | *WARNING* DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE |
| 09:55.40 | qwerty12 | Nooooo, my eyes were perfect :O, now every time I wake up, I have to wait for bootloader and initfs |
| 09:55.57 | lcuk | t_s_o, a little test scrolling book reader |
| 09:56.43 | qwerty12 | lcuk, Wow, I would be extremely happy if that ever gets released sometime in the next few months. |
| 09:56.52 | lcuk | it will do |
| 09:57.01 | lcuk | along with other stuff in the toolshed at the moment |
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| 09:57.29 | qwerty12 | Great :). My phone can do it but it's not convenient and the N8*0 has a stand so it would be perfect for some bedside reading. Thanks. |
| 09:58.43 | lcuk | we are just getting all the pieces together at the moment, there are some important goals which need reaching first |
| 09:59.31 | qwerty12 | I can wait :) |
| 10:00.06 | qwerty12 | Is there any way to run a program on shutdown? |
| 10:00.48 | qwerty12 | I'm using Fanoush's FrameBuffer mod and leaving it in auto slows down the N800 so badly. I'd prefer it so when I shutdown, it gets set back into auto to bring back the geeky side in me :P |
| 10:01.57 | GeneralAntilles | throws demands for sources at lcuk. |
| 10:02.21 | lcuk | what framebuffer mod? |
| 10:03.04 | qwerty12 | Where on bootup and shutdown, you can see the kernel output. Like desktop linux without splash and quiet options. |
| 10:03.46 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if you heard earlier - once we are happy with everything it will end up as an OSS library/toolkit. i cannot release a playground yet because it contains things which may end up being used inside another closed source app using the library (if that makes sense) |
| 10:03.46 | tank-man | i dont understand what the auto option would do for that |
| 10:03.57 | tank-man | framebuffermod |
| 10:04.20 | lcuk | thought long and hard about that reasoning |
| 10:04.46 | qwerty12 | tank-man, manual is the default mode, where you don't really see the frame buffer, setting it to auto lets you use. |
| 10:04.59 | qwerty12 | In auto, I can see kernel output and switch to terminal |
| 10:05.12 | qwerty12 | Like ctrl+alt+f1 in desktop linux |
| 10:08.18 | lcuk | what does this framebuffer mod do? |
| 10:08.20 | tank-man | i see |
| 10:08.49 | tank-man | i think he means module |
| 10:09.12 | lcuk | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 10:09.15 | qwerty12 | lcuk, http://youtube.com/?v=UlG7jnXUCTI - a shit youtube by me |
| 10:09.31 | qwerty12 | Watch from 19 seconds and you get the idea |
| 10:09.42 | lcuk | theres me thinking he had optimized the heck out of it! |
| 10:09.53 | lcuk | but thats still damned impressive |
| 10:10.12 | qwerty12 | Meh, it isn't mine :p. It's all Fanoush's work. He actually got the FrameBuffer to show something :P |
| 10:10.18 | lcuk | you're focusing is terrible :P |
| 10:10.39 | qwerty12 | It was done on a W810 with a really bad camera driver >.< :P |
| 10:11.17 | lcuk | its ok you could have done it on a n810 with a really bad camera <.> :P |
| 10:11.17 | qwerty12 | Besides, it was 2AM :P |
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| 10:11.25 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 10:38.44 | AStorm | hey |
| 10:39.01 | qwerty12 | ello |
| 10:39.01 | AStorm | where can I get most OSS drivers etc. |
| 10:39.35 | AStorm | I've managed to build arm-pc-linux-gnu cross |
| 10:39.58 | AStorm | thus Gentoo on ARM awaits |
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| 10:40.18 | AStorm | afaics the cpu is arm1136jf-s |
| 10:40.28 | AStorm | with vfp |
| 10:40.51 | lcuk | is there a nice little list somewhere of the maemo specific files and folders and what each does? |
| 10:41.03 | lcuk | ie where to drop menu shortcuts etc |
| 10:41.21 | qwerty12 | like desktop files? |
| 10:41.26 | lcuk | yer |
| 10:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's mostly covered in the documentation on maemo.org |
| 10:41.36 | qwerty12 | They go in /usr/share/applications/hildon. Let me dbl check. |
| 10:41.37 | AStorm | menu shortcuts go to /usr/share/Applications |
| 10:41.38 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know of a any neat little lists, though. |
| 10:41.40 | AStorm | yup |
| 10:41.48 | lcuk | well i thought that |
| 10:42.11 | qwerty12 | AStorm, better to put them in hildon subdirectory because then you don't need to restart to show the icon. |
| 10:42.16 | lcuk | lol - everywhere i nthe file sys except for etc |
| 10:42.40 | AStorm | mhm |
| 10:42.53 | lcuk | thx i think ill find the rest |
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| 10:44.20 | AStorm | I'd like some clear instructions about drivers and other soft |
| 10:44.36 | AStorm | wonder what's so special about xomap |
| 10:45.39 | kulve | xomap has e.g. the xv extension implemented |
| 10:46.06 | kulve | xorg runs on the device ok, but is missing xv |
| 10:46.34 | AStorm | mhm = slow video |
| 10:46.36 | qwerty12 | kulve, Is there any benefit to using xorg? |
| 10:47.07 | AStorm | s/using/using newer libs to build apps/ |
| 10:47.32 | kulve | actually I'm more interested to find out what's the benefits on using kdrive base xomap instead of xorg (excluding the xv) |
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| 10:47.55 | kulve | AStorm: without xv there practically cannot be any video.. |
| 10:48.04 | AStorm | kulve: wrong |
| 10:48.09 | lcuk | unless you bang the hardware ;) |
| 10:48.18 | AStorm | Xv only accelerates scaling |
| 10:48.19 | qwerty12 | Eww, no thanks ;) |
| 10:48.34 | AStorm | the rest can go through X11shm just fine |
| 10:48.37 | lcuk | xv gives direct fb mapped memory |
| 10:48.42 | AStorm | yup |
| 10:48.44 | lcuk | yer that as wel |
| 10:48.53 | AStorm | but x11shm is good enough |
| 10:49.50 | kulve | AStorm: have you ever tried to play unscaled video with something else than xv using e.g. gstreamer (on something lowend like n8x0)? |
| 10:50.33 | lcuk | *BUFFERING* |
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| 10:51.33 | Ivanovic | moin |
| 10:51.41 | eliaz | does anyone know hwere I can find smbtree for 770? |
| 10:51.46 | Ivanovic | AStorm: so have you tried the howto i mailed and did it work? |
| 10:51.57 | AStorm | Ivanovic: not yet |
| 10:52.07 | Ivanovic | :( |
| 10:52.10 | AStorm | but now I have a real crossdev arm toolchain |
| 10:52.29 | AStorm | I'll try later today |
| 10:52.43 | qwerty12 | Has anyone gotten application manager compiled from svn? I tried and "apt-worker.cc:347: error: expected `;' before '*' token |
| 10:52.43 | qwerty12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.43 | qwerty12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.07 | AStorm | looks like compile error |
| 10:53.17 | MangoFusion | 0_0 |
| 10:53.20 | AStorm | probably easy |
| 10:53.27 | qwerty12 | Yeah :(, but one guy said it compiled for him |
| 10:53.35 | qwerty12 | Maybe my SB is messing up :( |
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| 10:57.56 | lcuk | can i specify a startin folder when running something from a desktop shortcut? |
| 10:58.27 | qwerty12 | Not sure but you can start a script. Probably better solutions though. |
| 10:59.07 | lcuk | yer i know normally wont need it, its just a thought |
| 10:59.22 | lcuk | and you are right, it could be done via script. thats prob simplest for now |
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| 11:05.35 | AStorm | ok, I'd love to get info on building that wifi driver for newer kernel |
| 11:05.44 | AStorm | open(er) one |
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| 11:16.50 | eliaz | there's loads of libs missing when I've try to install canola2 |
| 11:16.51 | eliaz | efl-core |
| 11:16.56 | eliaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.58 | eliaz | e.t.c |
| 11:17.09 | eliaz | does anyone know what repositorys are missing? where I can find them |
| 11:17.27 | GeneralAntilles | Extras? |
| 11:18.24 | eliaz | I'm basicly missing the ones listed here: |
| 11:18.25 | eliaz | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13017&page=23 |
| 11:18.42 | eliaz | but I thought it has to be a repository that has them |
| 11:19.54 | eliaz | starting to think the 770 is not really worth all the work |
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| 11:20.51 | crashanddie | AStorm, for the nexant wifi chipset ? |
| 11:20.56 | crashanddie | conexant, that is |
| 11:23.07 | crashanddie | lcuk, hey man, you ever tried using the eclipse maemo integration ? |
| 11:23.44 | GeneralAntilles | eliaz, gronmayer.com/it lists all the repositories |
| 11:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | and is searchable. |
| 11:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | Extras is the one that contains all that stuff. |
| 11:23.55 | crashanddie | ok, brb, I broke my X session |
| 11:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | eliaz, the 770 is old and unsupported. It takes a lot of work from developers to maintain support and a bit of effort from users to get all the way there. |
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| 11:25.23 | crashanddie | there, fixed |
| 11:26.16 | crashanddie | is there a way to pipe the sound easily when xtunneling (ssh) a program ? |
| 11:26.41 | crashanddie | ok, if you didn't understand that sentence, just reorganize the words 'till you get there |
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| 11:34.17 | MangoFusion | networked sound server perhaps? |
| 11:38.17 | pupnik | crashanddie: to the tablet? |
| 11:38.42 | pupnik | ssh can pipe through stuff on any port, so you just need a networked sound client/server |
| 11:38.43 | crashanddie | pupnik, yeh |
| 11:38.51 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 11:38.55 | pupnik | but i don't know of anything like that on the tablet |
| 11:39.06 | pupnik | can't remember if it's doable with esd |
| 11:44.44 | Cptnodegard | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12106 cheapest BT mouse ive seen so far |
| 11:51.54 | AStorm | crashanddie: yupp, for the one in N810 |
| 11:52.19 | crashanddie | AStorm, yeah, I'd like to look into that too, but the project is sortof dead... No updates since august 2007 |
| 11:52.24 | AStorm | crashanddie: esd is on the tablet |
| 11:52.37 | crashanddie | AStorm, ya I'm reading on it |
| 11:54.34 | AStorm | I heard someone managed to get it quite running |
| 11:54.40 | AStorm | including rfmon |
| 11:58.41 | AStorm | as to GPIOs, new kernels (esp. OMAP branch) have these well done |
| 12:00.14 | crashanddie | works :) |
| 12:00.22 | crashanddie | I have sound over network :) |
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| 12:01.39 | eliaz | i have the extras repository but they're not there |
| 12:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | Which OS version are you running? |
| 12:02.28 | eliaz | 2006 |
| 12:03.08 | eliaz | version 3.2006.49-2 |
| 12:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | You tried installing from here: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install.html ? |
| 12:03.52 | eliaz | yepp |
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| 12:04.23 | AStorm | ... I want that driver... |
| 12:07.00 | eliaz | might install the he and try it there instead |
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| 12:11.10 | keesj | crashanddie: look on maemopeople (I posted something about using esd , and somebody else looked at using .asoundrc to forward sound |
| 12:15.07 | lcuk | crashanddie, what do you mean? |
| 12:15.47 | lcuk | using eclopse in normal linux but with plugins for maemo? or actually running eclipse on 810 |
| 12:16.13 | lcuk | thinks second option would be a dog |
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| 12:17.44 | lcuk | OUCH! searching google for maemopeople gave the following "suggestion": |
| 12:17.48 | lcuk | Did you mean: macpeople |
| 12:17.53 | jaska | haha |
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| 12:18.58 | crashanddie | keesj, nha it's all good, got it to work flawlessly :) |
| 12:20.42 | crashanddie | on the IT: sudo gainroot; killall esd; esd -tcp -public; on my desktop: sudo apt-get install esound esound-clients; esd && esdmon | esdcat -s ITIPADDRESS |
| 12:20.55 | crashanddie | then play sound using a esd-enabled media player |
| 12:21.09 | crashanddie | e.g.: mplayer -ao esd mysound.mp3 |
| 12:21.29 | pupnik | which is the source? tablet or pc? |
| 12:21.34 | crashanddie | PC |
| 12:21.47 | pupnik | that's very cool and someone should post it somewhere |
| 12:21.54 | crashanddie | I don't have an account on ITT |
| 12:22.12 | lcuk | doesn't either - i think i should rectify that now... |
| 12:22.20 | crashanddie | Yeah, I'm going to too |
| 12:22.43 | lcuk | signs up to internettabletalk.com and discusses mahogany |
| 12:25.37 | crashanddie | bleh |
| 12:25.40 | crashanddie | way too many subforums |
| 12:25.45 | crashanddie | where the hell should I post that ? |
| 12:25.58 | lcuk | all of them :D |
| 12:26.08 | lcuk | i dunno really lol |
| 12:26.13 | keesj | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/28/p64#more64 |
| 12:27.11 | keesj | pff that was already one year ago................................... |
| 12:27.25 | lcuk | keesj, what a hack :D we have been looking for a way to play movies on desktop sat over the room but not need the volume up way high |
| 12:27.52 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 12:27.55 | lcuk | (though didnt think to even attempt to use the tablet |
| 12:28.00 | lcuk | morning jaffa |
| 12:28.10 | Jaffa | Well, Sunday af'noon really |
| 12:28.36 | keesj | how is Mr Jaffa today? |
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| 12:28.46 | keesj | (besides late) |
| 12:29.21 | lcuk | is gettin twitchy about linuxtag. need to hear if we are confirmed so i can tell boss |
| 12:30.00 | crashanddie | keesj, well obviously either your google ranking sucks, because I've googled for 10 minutes and didn't find anything, + that is an IRC convo, not really end-user friendly |
| 12:30.30 | pupnik | not to mention out of pocket costs, presentation tech available |
| 12:30.49 | crashanddie | keesj, and so what if I want to just post it on ITT? Not really like you have copyright on that, and not a lot of people are aware of it, kthxbai |
| 12:30.56 | keesj | to old for google I guess |
| 12:31.17 | keesj | crashanddie: just do it. |
| 12:31.30 | keesj | I am not a forum community member (yet?) |
| 12:32.25 | Jaffa | keesj: Good thanks. Brushing up on my Python with some Freevo hackery |
| 12:32.49 | Ivanovic | short question: is there already a port of boost to the n810? |
| 12:33.11 | Ivanovic | to be more precise: i need boost-iostreams-dev (to compile wesnoth 1.4.1) |
| 12:33.53 | pupnik | i just have libboost-signals built |
| 12:34.02 | keesj | I still try to resit python :p |
| 12:34.34 | Ivanovic | so not directly in the tree :( |
| 12:34.46 | keesj | (but I do have python books already in house) |
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| 12:36.12 | lcuk | pupnik, you will be supplied with a fresnel lens and are expected to use your own n8x0 for presenting to the audience |
| 12:36.28 | Jaffa | grins |
| 12:36.43 | keesj | not a hd wirelss adapter? |
| 12:37.08 | Jaffa | "We'll only present if noBounds is released and available, and a presentation app released" |
| 12:37.18 | lcuk | nobounds is a flippin windows application |
| 12:37.39 | lcuk | damn good idea though |
| 12:38.00 | Jaffa | True. I'm guessing/hoping part of it is a direct driver over WLAN for some projectors, but not quite the same as TV out |
| 12:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | "noBounds, or we're getting up on stage and signing the Song That Never Ends!" |
| 12:38.31 | pupnik | has own fresnel lens |
| 12:38.31 | Jaffa | 's Sign Language ain't that good ;-) |
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| 12:39.06 | pupnik | but there's not an easy way to do a presentation of a tablet |
| 12:39.14 | pupnik | maybe a hdtv cam hooked up to a projector? |
| 12:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | s/signing/singing/ |
| 12:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | You just need one of those webcam projectors. |
| 12:40.07 | pupnik | i don't think nobounds could possibly work to show a game running at native speed |
| 12:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | Digital transparencies. |
| 12:40.40 | Jaffa | pupnik: agreed |
| 12:40.41 | lcuk | pupnik, from a technical basis i believe the 2420 can output a proper tv oriented signal but the nokia isnt wired to allow it |
| 12:40.50 | keesj | pupnik: i guess web-based is the easy way |
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| 12:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hand out preloaded N810s like programs. :D |
| 12:41.07 | lcuk | and pupnik, you forget vnc |
| 12:41.08 | Jaffa | :) |
| 12:41.17 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, PERFECT idea :D |
| 12:41.22 | Jaffa | ZeroConf/avahi-based web/VNC server |
| 12:41.27 | lcuk | im taking up a whole row of seats ;) |
| 12:41.39 | Jaffa | But then you've got another computer anyway, so might as well just take the presentation off the N810 as USB mass storage |
| 12:42.02 | keesj | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ |
| 12:42.12 | Jaffa | Shiny indeed |
| 12:42.21 | Ivanovic | pah, why not do it this way? http://vimeo.com/784138 |
| 12:43.03 | Ivanovic | okay,. it is some strange windos app, but maybe wine can help... |
| 12:43.06 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:43.06 | lcuk | Ivanovic, look carefully at the nobounds big display and notice what is in the top right hand corner. if they are running that without a desktop machine i will eat my 810 |
| 12:43.11 | keesj | why not use a usb-serial adapter and aalib + full screen term? |
| 12:43.32 | Ivanovic | lcuk: i know that most of the stuff is faked |
| 12:44.14 | lcuk | not faked, just not quite what they say: afterall, it IS displayed on a big screen and the content DOES mirror whats happening on the 810, but its just not all being processed by the nokia |
| 12:44.21 | Ivanovic | facked as in "the n810 alone ain't enough"... |
| 12:44.30 | pupnik | right |
| 12:45.01 | pupnik | video-out would be a killer feature for N9x0 |
| 12:45.05 | lcuk | so the nobounds program MAY work really well, especially if the 2 sides are compiled from same source |
| 12:45.18 | keesj | like pdf? |
| 12:45.24 | keesj | anyway.... |
| 12:45.43 | lcuk | ie create a graphing module and compile on both sides and you see the cutdown version on 810 and full version on big screen |
| 12:46.00 | keesj | how about a usb adapter soldering event , or serial-dock distribution during linuxtag |
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| 12:46.19 | keesj | that at least is something that really requires IRL interaction |
| 12:46.32 | lcuk | i dont think i can get on a plane nowadays with a gas powered soldering iron |
| 12:46.45 | keesj | or what about creating a big screen made up of community nokias |
| 12:46.54 | crashanddie | heh |
| 12:46.57 | lcuk | "Careful folks, thats nokia smoke - dont breath it in |
| 12:46.58 | Ivanovic | that would be an interesting project |
| 12:47.07 | keesj | lets say 4 times HD format |
| 12:47.19 | lcuk | keesj, that would be a wicked idea and i have pondered it myself |
| 12:47.33 | lcuk | but how would you control it |
| 12:47.46 | Jaffa | Broadcast UDP control of mplayer? |
| 12:48.06 | crashanddie | 4times HD = 7680p by 4240p |
| 12:48.11 | lcuk | bandwidth wouldnt work without seriously breaking up the movie beforehand |
| 12:48.35 | lcuk | each nokia registers its location and is sent its portion of the display beforehand |
| 12:48.43 | Ivanovic | lcuk: you would need a very powerfull server and would have to create *many* single streams |
| 12:48.47 | lcuk | then they keep in sync |
| 12:48.47 | crashanddie | so that's 10 ITs in width, and 9 in height, achievable |
| 12:48.57 | lcuk | ivan ^ |
| 12:49.01 | Ivanovic | single and small streams that is |
| 12:49.06 | AStorm | lcuk: syncing would be hard |
| 12:49.14 | lcuk | not really |
| 12:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | A document camera will probably end up being a decent choice. |
| 12:49.20 | lcuk | UDP: GO frame 97 |
| 12:49.22 | crashanddie | not really hard, in fact |
| 12:49.31 | crashanddie | yeah, UDP would be the way to go here |
| 12:49.39 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, we would need tilt for that properly |
| 12:50.02 | crashanddie | you'll need 90 ITs though |
| 12:50.10 | lcuk | quim could get them |
| 12:50.12 | lcuk | ;) |
| 12:50.27 | lcuk | and we could all share them out afterwards :D |
| 12:50.44 | AStorm | mad idea anyway |
| 12:50.45 | crashanddie | the shitty part is the fact you have about an inch and a half of space between each screen |
| 12:51.00 | AStorm | fixable by dissection |
| 12:51.04 | lcuk | im thinking it would be simple doing a rendered project using any number of nokias |
| 12:51.04 | crashanddie | LOL |
| 12:51.06 | GeneralAntilles | Have them each do one pixel |
| 12:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | with huge dot pitch |
| 12:51.24 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, on pixel each ? That's a bit harsh |
| 12:51.28 | crashanddie | one** |
| 12:51.29 | keesj | some ascii art kind of stuff? |
| 12:51.29 | lcuk | like this book scroller - it would be entirely possible to make a massive version which scrolled up/down a stack of nokias in sync |
| 12:51.36 | lcuk | end credits |
| 12:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | That would actually be kinda cool. |
| 12:51.47 | lcuk | Special thanks to Doris and her beaver |
| 12:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | Much cooler than Nokia's wall-o'-N800s |
| 12:51.52 | keesj | that is pretty doable and very kwel |
| 12:52.05 | lcuk | it is actually |
| 12:53.34 | lcuk | i would like to see something done with all the 810 corner LEDs |
| 12:53.48 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 12:53.54 | crashanddie | airport runway lights |
| 12:53.57 | keesj | a sound pipe could also be fun (that every nokia records and sends data over the air) |
| 12:53.57 | lcuk | if we could get enough 810 users in a room we could have them hold em in the air and make plasma waves or something |
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| 12:54.56 | keesj | i guess a sound based thing would be best because it does not require real network |
| 12:55.02 | lcuk | first program i wrote for pc was a room monitor - it displays thumbnails (and selectable single display) of every computer in a classroom - so the teacher can see if they are surfing porn essentially, anyway - i wanted to use the mic from it and create a sound hall |
| 12:55.47 | pupnik | an echo where all pcs in a room act like reverberators? |
| 12:56.32 | lcuk | ok, supposing we did come up with something big and multi device. how would we make it easy to get on all machines - ie if the audience wants to get involved then could we make it simple for them to particiate? |
| 12:56.33 | keesj | yes , perhaps using fft to change the color based on the frequency |
| 12:57.27 | lcuk | shame the gps wont work properly inside |
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| 12:57.47 | lcuk | we could have it automatically picking up locations |
| 12:58.21 | lcuk | it would be strange for a home user to connect and use a 3d interface to walk around the hall and see and hear what nokias around are seeing |
| 12:58.52 | keesj | bt? |
| 13:00.05 | lcuk | bt wont give location though - im thinking registering images and sounds from GPS locations and allowing a user on a desktop machine to interfactively walk around looking and listening |
| 13:00.17 | lcuk | but there isnt enough resolution - hang on, we could fake it |
| 13:00.31 | lcuk | you're right about bt - can we get at signal strength? |
| 13:00.56 | lcuk | put up a few bt nodes around the place with fixed locations then get software to monitor the strengths and triangulate |
| 13:01.39 | keesj | that might be to much work :) |
| 13:01.51 | lcuk | nahhh, half hour tops |
| 13:01.52 | lcuk | ;) |
| 13:01.57 | keesj | haha |
| 13:02.52 | keesj | I used to work for a company doing location based stuff for conferences. I really wished there would have been tablets back then |
| 13:02.56 | lcuk | ok, putting feet back on the ground, using a tiled n8x0 display for something, how would we register location in the stack |
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| 13:03.18 | jaska | the gps probably isnt sensitive enough for that :) |
| 13:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | Space them really far apart and use the GPS. :P |
| 13:03.35 | keesj | I just enter my name in the bt name, and have a database of "interesting people" and my devices beeps when somebody Interesrting is nearby) |
| 13:03.36 | lcuk | lol - we are talking about a 4inch screen :P |
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| 13:03.51 | lcuk | keesj, you only need BT phones now for that |
| 13:04.44 | keesj | yes, that was the grand plan , have bt enabled small pc near a stand. but we used sms the most |
| 13:04.56 | keesj | (and WML) |
| 13:05.24 | lcuk | incidentally, who has more than one nokia to test any ideas about a wall? |
| 13:05.30 | lcuk | looks at GeneralAntilles |
| 13:05.38 | keesj | but serioulsy , can we comme up with something like we disscussed and really do it? |
| 13:05.56 | keesj | lcuk: I have 3 |
| 13:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | throws one of his "1% of global tablet sales"-worth of tablets at lcuk. |
| 13:06.21 | keesj | and I know where to find a few more |
| 13:07.12 | keesj | GeneralAntilles: counting the developers program devices ? |
| 13:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | I've only got 3 here. |
| 13:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | and semi-easy access to 1 more. |
| 13:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | None of them were dev. |
| 13:08.22 | lcuk | hmmm keesj, im sure with enough will and determination anything is possible but i think we have other things we need to plan before we can actually code anything up (like a proper idea) |
| 13:09.19 | lcuk | im takin an eee with me as well and i think i am agile enough to code under pressure. hope others are as well. im gonna enjoy it there |
| 13:10.13 | keesj | I know it is weird. but I can also be a good thing to work towards something(have a goal) |
| 13:10.28 | lcuk | iwithout a goal you never finish |
| 13:10.45 | MangoFusion | i keep contemplating getting an eee |
| 13:11.12 | lcuk | i need something to take with me to a linux conference and the eee is most logical solution |
| 13:11.16 | MangoFusion | then i remember my tablet is just as good ;) |
| 13:11.18 | keesj | I mean , I did not check the itt forums but what ideas are there around maemo hacking/ meeting at linuxtag? |
| 13:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing on ITT. |
| 13:11.51 | flo_lap | But sounds like a good idea |
| 13:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, did you see your wiki entry, lcuk? :D |
| 13:12.24 | lcuk | ???? aka lcuk - n00b & #maemo status (waiting confirmation) |
| 13:12.25 | lcuk | that one? |
| 13:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 13:12.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 13:12.59 | lcuk | from my mail: I notice on the wiki page you have a little of my details, but firstly I would like to accept your offer. |
| 13:13.58 | crashanddie | lol |
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| 13:14.08 | crashanddie | I'm creating the real size image of the 90 ITs wall |
| 13:14.08 | crashanddie | :D |
| 13:14.19 | lcuk | link to pic? |
| 13:14.21 | crashanddie | size in ram: 2.5GB |
| 13:14.27 | lcuk | on your NIT? |
| 13:14.30 | crashanddie | hang on, not done yet |
| 13:14.37 | lcuk | no, the small one |
| 13:14.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah right :p no, on my laptop |
| 13:16.04 | keesj | I have some other very weird idea...... |
| 13:16.25 | lcuk | throw it out here then - see if it sticks |
| 13:16.41 | lcuk | discussion breeds applications :) |
| 13:17.40 | keesj | put a beamer/ light source a few meters away from the talbet wall, use the webcam to look at the brightness and display that on the nokia |
| 13:17.59 | keesj | like a wall of memories |
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| 13:20.41 | lcuk | so make the brightness of the nokias the same as the brightness of the torchlight - or when torchlight is bright display image brighter ? |
| 13:21.29 | lcuk | im thinking though this wall of nokias would be good for a single instance, but doesnt show something that people can play with properly at home |
| 13:21.58 | lcuk | wants participation |
| 13:22.40 | lcuk | maybe if we did a simple drawing program hooked up to a bigger pc and each person draws their own tile |
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| 13:23.10 | lcuk | that way as more people login to the network we can have a display of live scratchpads from everyone |
| 13:23.23 | lcuk | could even be viewable by people not in the building :) |
| 13:24.08 | keesj | I guess it would be easyer to to something with sound or webcam and not a wall so it is more organic |
| 13:24.45 | lcuk | would be more practical to plan and test as well - especially since if its network related it can be done between any of us in the world |
| 13:24.48 | keesj | I mean having people really hold a device in hand and seeing something happen in the crowd it really something that will be awsome IMHO |
| 13:25.31 | lcuk | i would like to merge the feeds from different cameras and build the 3d scene - like the microsoft photo thing |
| 13:26.14 | keesj | I don't know that. is it like taking a picture and pasting it at the right place? |
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| 13:26.46 | crashanddie | My brother in law is a DJ |
| 13:26.46 | lcuk | extrapolating the 3d information from ultiple viewpoints of the same information - like a sequence of shots around a building |
| 13:26.53 | crashanddie | and one of the things that makes people go wild |
| 13:27.05 | lcuk | is beer |
| 13:27.24 | crashanddie | Is when he uses a directional hi-gain mic in order to capture what some bloke/gal is saying, and then mix it live in the track |
| 13:27.51 | crashanddie | I guess the same would apply with geeks |
| 13:28.11 | crashanddie | give 'em the ability to draw something on the big board behind the guy who's talking, and people go wild |
| 13:28.47 | lcuk | yes, let people login and type from their NIT |
| 13:29.03 | crashanddie | ouch, swapping hard |
| 13:29.04 | lcuk | just keep a display running with recent/active sketches |
| 13:29.20 | crashanddie | and log who said what |
| 13:29.24 | crashanddie | so you kick the flambaiter out |
| 13:29.45 | keesj | yes, so very simple would be to capture an image and send it over (using bt?), but that does not really feel very tablet like |
| 13:29.47 | lcuk | unless engadget are there there shouldnt be too much hassle |
| 13:30.00 | crashanddie | not BT |
| 13:30.04 | crashanddie | bt wouldn't be wide enough |
| 13:30.10 | crashanddie | and waaay too slow |
| 13:30.34 | lcuk | it would be nice to have our own adhoc lan built up of NIT nodes |
| 13:31.05 | keesj | lcuk: messed network yes, that would be great in such situations |
| 13:31.15 | crashanddie | yup |
| 13:31.51 | lcuk | but again, that works with any wifi boxes |
| 13:32.58 | lcuk | i think the sketching is simple enough to be doable - and if it looked/felt like the nobounds thing would surprise people |
| 13:32.59 | crashanddie | <3 working with 100k pixel images |
| 13:33.30 | lcuk | nobounds - with extra features for handling multiple clients |
| 13:33.53 | lcuk | hell - even use the wall idea and allow putting multiple devices together for a bigger drawing area |
| 13:34.37 | lcuk | whos running windows at home and whos running linux |
| 13:35.20 | keesj | the really easy thing is to use the motion package and let people use a laser light to write things on the wall |
| 13:36.51 | lcuk | not really, unless the camera was pointing on a blank wall to detect the dot you wouldnt tell where it was |
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| 13:37.21 | lcuk | if you just point a camera out at the audience and someone shines a laser on it, the camera would just pick up a dot where the person was sitting |
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| 13:37.50 | lcuk | they couldnt draw things etc |
| 13:38.21 | keesj | if you point 90 cameras that would work right? |
| 13:38.21 | lcuk | i do think the camera would be good with an IR led strapped to my finger and moving over the top of the tablet |
| 13:38.45 | lcuk | yer but only at 1/90 pixel resolution, not really effective |
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| 13:39.05 | lcuk | if it was just a blank wall and a spot and one camera it would be higher resolution |
| 13:40.07 | keesj | yes you are right , so still no good idea , the scroller is still nice right? |
| 13:40.27 | lcuk | yes, and relatively simple if it just knows where in the stack it is |
| 13:40.41 | lcuk | i also like the idea of giving audience members a pen and a display |
| 13:41.12 | lcuk | we can wow them with nobounds-homebrew edition and then let them login to play themselves |
| 13:41.51 | lcuk | its in my mind for sharing the canvas anyway - so if one end is a bigbox server it is practically the same |
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| 13:43.17 | crashanddie | http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/292/n810wallsmalltv5.jpg |
| 13:43.43 | keesj | crashanddie: wow |
| 13:43.47 | lcuk | lol crashanddie would have been better showing the right bit of the map on each one |
| 13:43.58 | crashanddie | lcuk, YEAH RIGHT |
| 13:44.06 | crashanddie | lcuk, Like I'm going to capture 90 images xD |
| 13:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 13:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | B- |
| 13:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | Not enough effort |
| 13:44.25 | lcuk | those are images? i thought you had spent your time stacking them up :P |
| 13:44.36 | keesj | just put one picture behind and paste the n810 with nothing on the screen |
| 13:44.38 | MangoFusion | only n810's? the shame! |
| 13:44.47 | lcuk | lol shhh keesj ;) |
| 13:44.58 | crashanddie | keesj, thought about it |
| 13:45.23 | crashanddie | keesj, but that would mean a pretty hardcore loss of pixels (borders) |
| 13:45.55 | crashanddie | the "big" wall is 10Megs :D |
| 13:45.56 | lcuk | have you not heard of a hacksaw? borderless n810 FTW (and also even less keys to type on) |
| 13:46.24 | crashanddie | lcuk, better buy a 102" HDTV |
| 13:46.44 | lcuk | what and hack the border of that? are you mad? :P |
| 13:47.38 | Ivanovic | volunteers for being mad |
| 13:48.17 | lcuk | right, time to depart for a while. there is only so much mario & sonic that i can put up with (coming from downstairs) |
| 13:48.36 | keesj | hmmm |
| 13:49.08 | keesj | :P |
| 13:49.22 | lcuk | keesj, ill keep this scroller in mind the next couple of days ill let you know if its workable with a bit of testing |
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| 13:49.54 | keesj | thanks, |
| 13:51.58 | keesj | I will try to compose yet an other mail to the mainling list, hoping SOMEBODY, ANYBODY will answer this time |
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| 13:52.35 | lcuk | which list are people ignoring? |
| 13:52.53 | crashanddie | http://dl.free.fr/iaRMf8Yki/n810wall.jpg |
| 13:53.07 | crashanddie | btw, if you need a good filehost: http://dl.free.fr |
| 13:53.20 | lcuk | microsoft picture viewer is gonna have a shitfit isnt it |
| 13:53.44 | lcuk | *OMG* LINUX PICTURE *ABORT*ABORT* |
| 13:53.50 | crashanddie | 1GB file limit (web interface), or 10GB size limit if using FTP, the file stays up for 30 days starting from the last download |
| 13:54.10 | keesj | about linuxtag related activities or ideas |
| 13:54.30 | lcuk | wheres the list |
| 13:54.43 | keesj | the developers list |
| 13:55.28 | lcuk | since i are n00b could you give me a link so i could sign up ? |
| 13:55.50 | keesj | I sent this mail aobut a week ago http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/35816 |
| 13:56.56 | keesj | hmm maemo.org home page also looks nice today |
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| 13:57.30 | crashanddie | keesj, yeah, that strack trace is pretty nice I admit |
| 13:57.31 | keesj | http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html |
| 13:58.34 | crashanddie | btw, any new word about Android on the n8x0 ? |
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| 13:58.54 | crashanddie | bbl |
| 13:59.49 | lcuk | ditto |
| 13:59.58 | timelyx | crashanddie: yeah, i like the stack trace on the front page |
| 14:06.51 | Jaffa | timelyx: long time no see! |
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| 14:35.52 | keesj | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2008/04/13/linuxtagmaemofun |
| 14:35.58 | keesj | feel free to add ideas .. |
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| 14:43.43 | lcuk | keesj, i take it you are going? forgive my lack of knowledge but who are you on the list? |
| 14:45.01 | lcuk | tis ok i see you now |
| 14:45.39 | Jaffa | Gah, Firefox's crashed. Damned flash |
| 14:46.15 | Navi | woo |
| 14:46.21 | Navi | flash </3 |
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| 14:47.50 | crashanddie | 50Gigs of mp3 on my n810 :D |
| 14:48.09 | Jaffa | External HD? |
| 14:48.13 | crashanddie | nope |
| 14:48.20 | Jaffa | NFS? |
| 14:48.26 | crashanddie | not directly :) |
| 14:48.43 | Navi | streaming music from your desktop? |
| 14:48.45 | crashanddie | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19059 |
| 14:48.50 | crashanddie | yup |
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| 14:59.15 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 14:59.17 | crashanddie | stupid question |
| 14:59.36 | crashanddie | but where does the Images/Documents etc on the Internal card map to ? |
| 15:00.19 | WormFood | I don't even understand the question |
| 15:00.28 | WormFood | you mean where is it in the directory structure? |
| 15:00.37 | crashanddie | yeh |
| 15:00.39 | WormFood | look in /media/mmc2 |
| 15:00.45 | crashanddie | nope |
| 15:00.50 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 15:00.56 | crashanddie | yeah, I shouldn't have said it like that |
| 15:00.58 | qwerty12 | /home/user/MyDocs ? |
| 15:01.05 | crashanddie | qwerty12, I got nothing in there :/ |
| 15:01.06 | b0unc3 | /home/user/MyDocs/.something |
| 15:01.11 | crashanddie | ah, thanks :) |
| 15:01.14 | qwerty12 | Yeah, ls -la it. |
| 15:01.15 | Navi | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ |
| 15:02.04 | crashanddie | thanks :) |
| 15:02.05 | WormFood | both cards...internal and external are in /media |
| 15:02.14 | WormFood | you mean internal memory |
| 15:02.23 | crashanddie | yeh, sorry :) Got it |
| 15:02.42 | WormFood | I was right, your question was wrong :P |
| 15:03.14 | crashanddie | WormFood, :P |
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| 15:07.15 | qwerty12 | Anyone know where to get "libossohelp" from? |
| 15:07.21 | Jaffa | keesj/lcuk: another idea would be a network implementation of WWBounce from: http://www.jaffasoft.co.uk/download/index.html - bouncing ball between processes |
| 15:09.07 | lcuk | jaffa - make a tablehockey thing and let interactive user push it ;) |
| 15:10.09 | crashanddie | qwerty12, didn't libosso change to libhildon ? |
| 15:10.22 | crashanddie | qwerty12, so you would be looking for libhildonhelp |
| 15:10.30 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, I think you are right, thanks :) |
| 15:10.40 | qwerty12 | I must be trying to compile wrong ver. |
| 15:10.52 | keesj | Jaffa: going for a walk , perhaps that fresh air might bring some clever things |
| 15:11.18 | Jaffa | lcuk: oooh yes, bouncing ball(s) with interaction on the touchscreen (for obstacles possibly) |
| 15:11.19 | crashanddie | btw, just a question |
| 15:11.25 | Jaffa | Touch the screen and your finger bounces off it |
| 15:11.41 | Jaffa | s/your finger bounces off it/the ball bounces off your finger/ |
| 15:11.44 | crashanddie | I'm going to move to the UK, any pointers to a nice job I should apply to ? |
| 15:11.46 | lcuk | yer push it to other people - or using the wall principle push it to the next screen |
| 15:11.58 | Jaffa | crashanddie: what can you do? ;-) |
| 15:12.00 | lcuk | minister of internet tablets |
| 15:12.20 | Jaffa | 's employer is always recruiting nice, well rounded people to rip financial companies off |
| 15:12.37 | lcuk | numptyphysics on a whole wall ;) |
| 15:12.59 | lcuk | watch a cascade through many nokias |
| 15:13.09 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I'm a pretty good C/C++/PHP coder, I have extended knowledge of databases [mysql/pgsql], Linuces and unices (especially in server environment). I've been developing applications for the University of Perpignan as a freelance coder |
| 15:13.10 | lcuk | or just keep it simple and do the ball thing |
| 15:13.43 | crashanddie | As well as setting up their network and servers, and coming in at impossible hours when they had problems |
| 15:13.54 | Jaffa | crashanddie: wouldn't have thought you'd have a problem getting the job. Plenty of rich places in London need those sort of skills internally. Alternatively, self-employed consultant |
| 15:14.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, there are many positions available in many fields (as there prob are in your country) but to work legally you need work permit i believe |
| 15:14.37 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah I know, but I'm working on all that, I've been picking up contact with the UK embassy here in France in order to start the process going |
| 15:15.40 | lcuk | if you are already working in a university environment, it might be an idea to contact uk based universities |
| 15:15.58 | crashanddie | hmm, yeah, indeed |
| 15:16.26 | Jaffa | Should be relatively easy if you're an EU citizen |
| 15:16.34 | lcuk | it may be beneficial to speak to your contacts at the uni where you are coding - remember, its not what you know its who you know |
| 15:17.01 | lcuk | if you can get a foot in the door because of a mention from someone at your current uni talking to one of his english mates you stand a good chance |
| 15:17.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah I know that, I've gotten most of my contracts because I was highly recommended :P |
| 15:17.40 | lcuk | exactly :) |
| 15:18.06 | crashanddie | funny though, getting these awesome jobs as a student, when most of my friends are doing dishes on friday evening :P |
| 15:18.47 | lcuk | i went to college for a small night course and ended up working there for over a year :) |
| 15:19.26 | crashanddie | Ideally, I'd love to find something in Cardiff, I have a flat opening in August :D |
| 15:19.59 | Jaffa | ...and handy for watching Doctor Who/Torchwood being filmed |
| 15:20.22 | qwerty12 | Cardiff? Come to East London where ppl get stabbed and gangs and grime |
| 15:20.36 | crashanddie | yeh, guess I'll have to camp on roald dall place :D |
| 15:20.43 | lcuk | east london? you wanna try living in manchester |
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| 15:21.01 | lcuk | our criminals are clean and not grimey at all |
| 15:21.01 | qwerty12 | Meh, I moved down from Halifax :P |
| 15:21.14 | crashanddie | I have a friend who recommended Manchester... But manchester is f'd up because of the flights (if I need to get back home for something) |
| 15:21.24 | lcuk | where are you now? |
| 15:21.29 | crashanddie | southern france :( |
| 15:21.43 | lcuk | better manchester than heathrow t5 |
| 15:22.13 | crashanddie | well no, that's what I meant |
| 15:22.16 | lcuk | cant you fly to spain and jump out half way? dont they let you do that nowadays? |
| 15:22.19 | termsig | liverpool it's much better. |
| 15:22.56 | crashanddie | Cardiff is far enough so I can say "C'mon mom, do you know how long it takes to get back home ? Plus, it's only my sister's wedding, not something really important" |
| 15:23.18 | lcuk | tells crashanddie's mum about vnc |
| 15:23.34 | crashanddie | My mom still asks me where the "Start" button is on her Mac |
| 15:24.52 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm off |
| 15:24.58 | crashanddie | cheers everyone |
| 15:25.24 | lcuk | crashanddie, before you go |
| 15:25.39 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah ? |
| 15:25.48 | lcuk | howheres the start button on my n810? |
| 15:25.55 | lcuk | :P |
| 15:26.01 | crashanddie | :D |
| 15:26.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, ask GA |
| 15:27.20 | lcuk | right, off as well - gonna get venture capitalist funding for an eee ;) |
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| 15:28.49 | lcuk | keesj, i mentioned in the past about wanting proper multiplayer games on maemo, the ball and tablehockey game idea might be simple and effective enough to make it worthewhile |
| 15:28.56 | lcuk | but im gone now |
| 15:29.32 | lcuk | ^jaffa i maent |
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| 15:41.21 | qwerty12 | Navi, Mind if I ask you a question? Which file did you modify in the rss reader to give you a smaller vertical width? Thanks. |
| 15:41.25 | Cptnodegard | hmm... this video cast site geekbrief has a downlaod button for n8x0 |
| 15:41.48 | Cptnodegard | too bad its a chick on speed talking faster than an overclocked parrot |
| 15:42.53 | mikedep333 | lol |
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| 15:48.05 | Ziegler | No cli ftp on the n810? |
| 15:49.50 | Ziegler | I have sftp... but the server i am trying to access has no sshd. |
| 15:50.12 | Ziegler | Any recomendations? |
| 15:58.19 | mikedep333 | hey, is there a graphical SFTP client for OS2008? |
| 15:59.39 | Ziegler | Ya |
| 15:59.46 | Ziegler | Maemoftp |
| 15:59.55 | Ziegler | I think |
| 16:00.02 | Ziegler | Wait no |
| 16:00.08 | Ziegler | Thats only ftp |
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| 16:00.34 | qwerty12 | Ziegler, http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/bin/ncftp.gz - ncftp. No idea what ncftp is though. |
| 16:01.18 | derf | It's a command-line client. |
| 16:01.55 | solmumaha | it's also possible to mount a server using sshfs and then use the file manager |
| 16:01.59 | qwerty12 | Is repository.maemo.org down for anyone? |
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| 16:02.48 | Ziegler | Danke |
| 16:03.12 | Ziegler | I would love to use ssh... But the server does not have that running |
| 16:03.26 | Ziegler | Ncftp it is! |
| 16:06.49 | Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-disco/ not available?????????? :( is it really good and can i louder my volume? |
| 16:06.54 | Ziegler | Dont know if its down, but connection is slow |
| 16:07.17 | qwerty12 | Italodance, adv-backlight replaced that for OS2008. And you cannot make the volume louder. |
| 16:07.29 | qwerty12 | Ziegler, thanks. Its not working for me |
| 16:07.43 | Italodance | qwerty12 tnx i tested it before |
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| 16:11.19 | qwerty12 | Anyone tell me the command to create a deb if you have the debian directory present? |
| 16:11.21 | qwerty12 | Thanks. |
| 16:13.17 | inz | Depends |
| 16:13.29 | inz | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is one option |
| 16:13.39 | inz | fakeroot debian/rules binary is another |
| 16:13.48 | qwerty12 | Thanks, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot worked for me :) |
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| 16:16.35 | Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bfriendfinder/ nice new app :D |
| 16:16.51 | Italodance | but not deb ????? |
| 16:17.18 | qwerty12 | It doesn't need to be. It seems to be already compiled. |
| 16:18.13 | Italodance | yes |
| 16:19.34 | qwerty12 | Anyone know where to get osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-mr0? Google doesn't seem to be telling me much. |
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| 16:23.11 | Italodance | qwerty12 repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html |
| 16:23.41 | qwerty12 | Hmm, thanks but it's just a list. It doesn't matter, I went and edited configure to remove the dependency. |
| 16:25.05 | Italodance | http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.2.31-1.tar.gz ??? |
| 16:25.38 | qwerty12 | Ah ,thanks, could be useful :) |
| 16:25.45 | qwerty12 | It doesn't matter, I solved it :) |
| 16:25.53 | Italodance | :D |
| 16:26.18 | Italodance | qwerty12 also use there http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src :D |
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| 16:26.58 | qwerty12 | Italodance, interesting but those are for OS2006. |
| 16:27.12 | Italodance | qwerty12 ah :( |
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| 16:29.38 | crashanddie | Bad idea to put the binaries with the source code |
| 16:29.56 | crashanddie | There is a packaging system, plus a great repo, sometimes I wonder why people don't even bother |
| 16:31.08 | Italodance | qwerty12 try this maybe help u : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-rss-feed-reader/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.4.42-1.tar.gz |
| 16:32.02 | crashanddie | World, the time has come to ! [push the button] |
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| 16:33.19 | Italodance | ummm is it good ? Miss.USA.2008.PDTV.XviD-XOR :p |
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| 16:38.19 | Navi | qwerty12, it's just a metapackage |
| 16:38.29 | Navi | you won't be able to find it |
| 16:38.40 | qwerty12 | Navi, Already done it ;) |
| 16:38.51 | Navi | Oh, cool. |
| 16:38.54 | Italodance | qwerty12 cool |
| 16:38.56 | qwerty12 | I've managed to compile a lib but I'm unsure on the values you changed :) |
| 16:39.04 | Navi | Um |
| 16:39.07 | Navi | applet.h |
| 16:39.22 | qwerty12 | Got that far, but I keep making the applet bigger >.< |
| 16:39.31 | Navi | lol |
| 16:39.50 | Navi | well, for whatever reason |
| 16:39.57 | Navi | nevermind |
| 16:40.03 | Navi | #define HEADLINE_HEIGHT 25 |
| 16:40.14 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
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| 16:40.33 | Navi | If you make it smaller, scrolling becomes borkened |
| 16:41.03 | Navi | which is why I didn't release the .deb; it needs work that I"m too lazy to do |
| 16:41.16 | qwerty12 | I see what you mean about debs though. It's a bitch the way this was packaged >.<. |
| 16:41.23 | qwerty12 | Getting the lib was a nightmare |
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| 16:41.37 | Navi | the lib was okay, I just forced the install with no dependency checking |
| 16:41.40 | qwerty12 | I managed to install that but configure still complained so I had to edit that too |
| 16:42.11 | Navi | that metapackage is just locale stuff, iirc |
| 16:42.25 | Navi | so it wasn't important for compilin |
| 16:42.50 | qwerty12 | Yeah, thanks for the help! I'm off to try it out. |
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| 16:43.17 | Navi | mmk |
| 16:43.36 | qwerty12 | It's an unhealthy obsession for me, anything that I have, that can be modded, I will do so lol. |
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| 16:44.20 | Navi | Ha |
| 16:45.24 | Navi | if (visible_rect->y % (HEADLINE_HEIGHT + rss_appl_inf->space_between_rows) == 0) <- stops the scroll prematurely |
| 16:45.28 | crashanddie | compiling/creating .debs by removing the dependencies is bad |
| 16:45.32 | crashanddie | :P |
| 16:45.43 | lcuk | its not bad, its just confusing :P |
| 16:45.49 | Navi | crashanddie, I didn't remove it from the .deb, I just forced the install |
| 16:45.56 | Navi | on scratchbox |
| 16:46.00 | Navi | not on the tablet |
| 16:46.04 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 16:46.20 | Navi | and it's a lib that should have already been installed anyways |
| 16:46.25 | Navi | shrugs |
| 16:46.38 | crashanddie | then just add the correct repos and apt-get install it |
| 16:46.55 | Navi | apt-cache search couldn't find it |
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| 16:47.14 | Navi | I have the same repository list on my tablet |
| 16:47.25 | Navi | so it confuses me why it's not showing up |
| 16:47.41 | crashanddie | talking 'bout search, I might port aptitude |
| 16:47.44 | thux | does screen work for user in os2008? mine doesn't complaints about permissions |
| 16:47.58 | Navi | I think someone tried doing that before |
| 16:48.27 | qwerty12 | I tried aptitude to no avail too. But I cant program anyway. |
| 16:48.32 | Ziegler | Been playing with kismet.... The xml files are easier to parse than the gps for making gpx files for mapper |
| 16:48.54 | Ziegler | More info touse |
| 16:49.00 | Ziegler | To - use |
| 16:49.40 | Navi | anyways |
| 16:49.53 | Navi | I bugged the mmpc maintainer |
| 16:50.04 | Ziegler | Oh soory to interupt the closed chat |
| 16:50.12 | lcuk | is BT networking much slower than wifi, and does it consume less battery? |
| 16:50.37 | Navi | Ziegler, I think that chat was done |
| 16:50.40 | qwerty12 | Navi, Quick quick plea for help, I set headline_height to 25 but I get this http://i27.tinypic.com/2dvuxu.png . Do I need a lot of feeds? |
| 16:50.41 | crashanddie | lcuk, BT is waaay slower |
| 16:50.44 | Navi | mmpc was updated |
| 16:51.00 | crashanddie | lcuk, at best 120kB/s on BT |
| 16:51.04 | lcuk | crashanddie, im not after serious traffic - just test files and ssh sessions |
| 16:51.11 | glass | crashanddie: for web browsing etc there is not much difference |
| 16:51.13 | Navi | O_o |
| 16:51.26 | crashanddie | well |
| 16:51.31 | Navi | qwerty12, did you change anything else? |
| 16:51.48 | qwerty12 | No, the rest is still the same. I'll try again. Thanks. |
| 16:51.49 | lcuk | its just the wifi on this burns serious calaries - its an adhoc which i believe is more of a drain |
| 16:52.01 | crashanddie | compare ~2MB/s on wifi and 120kB/s on BT, take your pick |
| 16:52.05 | Navi | qwerty12, what was the original value, btw? |
| 16:52.24 | qwerty12 | 70 something. I just went and deleted, I'll check again in a sec |
| 16:52.31 | lcuk | fair enough, right next question - is it simple and will i blow my config up if i try it |
| 16:52.32 | koyote | yah, but the BT speeds are still faster than my phone's connection, so it's not a loss |
| 16:52.42 | crashanddie | koyote, heh |
| 16:53.08 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm off |
| 16:53.24 | qwerty12 | Navi, 72 |
| 16:53.31 | Navi | mmk |
| 16:53.32 | crashanddie | why is it people always want me to go eat at their place when I have a shitload of work |
| 16:53.41 | Navi | crashanddie, they hate you :D |
| 16:53.47 | crashanddie | Navi, bastards |
| 16:53.52 | Navi | srsly |
| 16:54.03 | crashanddie | Heh |
| 16:54.07 | crashanddie | well, cuz I'm an ass |
| 16:54.12 | Navi | XD |
| 16:54.12 | crashanddie | I won't even take a bottle of wine |
| 16:54.24 | crashanddie | cheers everyone, have a nice one |
| 16:54.30 | Navi | bye, you too |
| 16:54.32 | lcuk | there is a livecd of wine if you wanna take something different ;) |
| 16:54.35 | qwerty12 | bye |
| 16:54.50 | lcuk | cya later crashanddie |
| 16:54.58 | Navi | Heh |
| 16:55.03 | crashanddie | better yet, Wine through USB |
| 16:55.18 | crashanddie | USB Wine, download wine straight from the vineyards ! |
| 16:55.20 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRL1SeTJ1rk |
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| 16:55.58 | Navi | Anyone know why the volume gets bumped down whenever you plug in something to the headphone jack? |
| 16:56.14 | Ziegler | Never noticed |
| 16:56.21 | lcuk | navi, press the button on the headphones (Nokia original) |
| 16:56.22 | Ziegler | Trying it |
| 16:56.27 | lcuk | see if it goes louder |
| 16:56.33 | qwerty12 | Same here, all I notice is that GLIB & Kernel recieves an event |
| 16:56.36 | Ziegler | What program... Or does it matter? |
| 16:56.49 | Navi | just the max volume |
| 16:56.53 | Ziegler | Ok |
| 16:57.21 | Ziegler | Heh... Sure enough |
| 16:57.29 | Ziegler | About |
| 16:57.51 | Ziegler | 20% Reduction |
| 16:58.05 | Navi | You can bump it back up, but it's annoying to do so |
| 16:58.20 | Navi | It goes from ear-blasting to can't-hear-in-a-loud-room |
| 16:58.22 | Ziegler | Ya |
| 16:58.50 | lcuk | but ear blasting without headphones to bursting your eardrums |
| 16:59.19 | Navi | totally fine with that |
| 16:59.25 | Navi | ;) |
| 16:59.29 | lcuk | my old car: when i turned ignition on the radio would always come back at a max vol 10 no matter how loud i had it before |
| 16:59.36 | Navi | Yeah, I see why they put it in |
| 16:59.40 | Ziegler | Seems like a bit of amplification reduc with headphones in |
| 16:59.42 | Navi | but it needs a toggle |
| 16:59.57 | Ziegler | Besides just the volume turning down |
| 16:59.58 | lcuk | user configurable option would be best yes |
| 17:00.07 | Navi | Heh |
| 17:00.13 | Navi | restarting the N800 is so battery-drainy |
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| 17:00.39 | lcuk | its not draining battery faster, its the battery icon gets refreshed. it was low before you rebooted :P |
| 17:00.51 | Navi | Nah |
| 17:00.56 | Navi | it was fully charged before I rebooted. |
| 17:01.17 | Navi | I rebooted a few times and I'm at 1 hour left |
| 17:01.20 | lcuk | on the 810 i notice it stays up high for ages but if i reboot it normally drops a ocuple of bars |
| 17:01.27 | lcuk | i mean, you might be right |
| 17:01.34 | lcuk | oooooer |
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| 17:02.59 | Navi | lcuk, it's funny though |
| 17:03.21 | Navi | the statusbar applet icon doesn't decrease until I have less than an hour left :) |
| 17:04.14 | Ziegler | Is diablo available to test? |
| 17:04.17 | lcuk | im seriously considering modding my cradle to hold a full large rechargable pack (8-12AAs) and just keep those charged |
| 17:04.25 | Navi | Ziegler, closed testing |
| 17:04.34 | Navi | lcuk, sexy. |
| 17:04.50 | Ziegler | Eta for public? |
| 17:05.02 | Navi | Beats me |
| 17:05.04 | lcuk | well it sits in there 99% of the time but most days i end up tethered |
| 17:05.48 | qwerty12 | My N800's boot is so slow and now the hildon-desktop isn't showing :(. Guess I'll have to reflash again. 2nd time in 1 day. |
| 17:05.52 | lcuk | i would liek to charge overnight and use for the entire day |
| 17:05.58 | Navi | qwerty12, :/ |
| 17:06.11 | Navi | qwerty12, do you just want the deb I whipped up? |
| 17:06.20 | qwerty12 | Ok, then please :) |
| 17:06.35 | lcuk | that reminds me - i need to take a backup of my NIT |
| 17:06.37 | Ziegler | Any of you tighten up the slide on your n810? |
| 17:06.53 | Navi | sort of wishes he had an N810 |
| 17:07.08 | lcuk | hey - i got the gps connected the other night! |
| 17:07.23 | lcuk | and it stayed connected for long enough to play with it! |
| 17:07.29 | Navi | lol |
| 17:07.43 | Navi | I wouldn't get it for the GPS :| |
| 17:07.56 | lcuk | shame it was about 50 metres behind me - the little woman would have gotten frustrated keep telling me 50 metres to go, then to turn round cos i missed it |
| 17:07.57 | Navi | Just the smaller form factor and keyboard would be nice |
| 17:08.07 | Navi | haha |
| 17:08.24 | Navi | poor lcuk |
| 17:08.30 | Ziegler | My gps works fine |
| 17:08.48 | lcuk | i should have closed all the apps i was playing with earlier that night for a better experience |
| 17:08.53 | Navi | How long does it take to get a fix for you? |
| 17:08.58 | lcuk | it didnt lag last time i connected |
| 17:09.07 | Ziegler | Initial fix is uner a miunte or two most days |
| 17:09.17 | lcuk | ill tell you now - its 18:09 and im gonna put it near window.. |
| 17:09.29 | Ziegler | Acuraccy is similar to a tomtom |
| 17:09.39 | Navi | Really? That's a drastically different number :P |
| 17:09.58 | Ziegler | Ya |
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| 17:10.25 | lcuk | now, its not been rebooted since last connection so i am hoping for quickness |
| 17:10.25 | Ziegler | Russia? |
| 17:10.42 | lcuk | its accurate allright, but its that first fix thats the killer |
| 17:10.56 | Ziegler | Wait... Thats to far |
| 17:11.28 | Navi | qwerty12, is it okay that there are only 11 feeds displayed? |
| 17:11.37 | qwerty12 | Yeah sure :) |
| 17:11.47 | qwerty12 | I only keep the BBC on there come think of it. |
| 17:11.54 | Navi | 'cuz that's the maximum you can display with the thing stretched all the way out |
| 17:12.09 | Ziegler | Honestly i read alot about poor fix times on the n810 ... But indoors its similar to all other standalone devices 8 have played with |
| 17:12.22 | Ziegler | I* |
| 17:12.41 | Navi | gah |
| 17:12.46 | Navi | it's a pain to resize widgets |
| 17:12.48 | lcuk | right, still not connected, it can see 4 sats on the graph but not very high, it normally sits like this for hours on end. if i move it fractionally it will drop to 2. |
| 17:12.53 | Navi | s/widgets/applets/ |
| 17:13.49 | Ziegler | Lcuik... Wow thats horried... Its never been longer than 5 minutes for me to fix |
| 17:13.56 | lcuk | i wonder if the difference between 810 and standalone is the reboot - most small gps nodes are always on arent they |
| 17:14.06 | lcuk | down to 3 now |
| 17:14.10 | lcuk | not touched it |
| 17:14.25 | Ziegler | Might just be your location |
| 17:14.43 | lcuk | entire city? wherever i have tried it i have had similar issues |
| 17:15.03 | Navi | qwerty12, http://www.xenf.net/osso-rss-feed-reader-applet_1.4.46-0_armel.deb |
| 17:15.07 | Ziegler | What country? |
| 17:15.07 | lcuk | i will take it up onto the moors and sit it ontop of the car next time i am up there |
| 17:15.10 | lcuk | england |
| 17:15.33 | qwerty12 | I miss the North :( |
| 17:15.33 | lcuk | my missus said that the gps must be busy :D |
| 17:15.39 | Ziegler | Im indoors right now, an I just connected |
| 17:15.52 | lcuk | :O holy mother of god - it connected |
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| 17:15.58 | Ziegler | Lol |
| 17:16.03 | Navi | lcuk, success! |
| 17:16.05 | Navi | \o/ |
| 17:16.18 | Ziegler | Time? |
| 17:16.35 | lcuk | 6 minutes. but as noted i had spent time connecting previously and havent rebooted since |
| 17:16.56 | Ziegler | Meh... Sounds like voodo to me |
| 17:17.03 | lcuk | (the other night it connected sometime during the course of a poker game - i left it on the window) |
| 17:17.39 | Ziegler | In my car < 3 minutes even on a rainy day |
| 17:17.41 | lcuk | ill monitor the situation. infact. now i am on a roll im gonna test something... im popping the battery |
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| 17:19.53 | qwerty12 | Yep, my N800 is going under the reflash. Not sure what I am more pissed of at, reflashing again after I did so yesterday or reinstalling my apps. |
| 17:19.56 | qwerty12 | Bye all, gtg |
| 17:20.17 | lcuk | right, its 18:20 |
| 17:21.04 | Navi | Heh |
| 17:21.06 | Navi | Sucks for him. |
| 17:21.46 | Ziegler | I am debating on attempting to tighten up the n810 slide... But dont know if i am ready yet. Its only 2 weeks old. |
| 17:22.19 | Ziegler | There really isnt an easy way to backup apps is ther? |
| 17:22.24 | Ziegler | There* |
| 17:22.32 | Navi | Nah |
| 17:22.43 | Navi | I just tar the fs as a backup |
| 17:22.58 | Ziegler | Diablo is supposed to fix that ya? |
| 17:23.11 | Ziegler | Updates without a flash? |
| 17:23.11 | Navi | How so? |
| 17:23.34 | Ziegler | Let me see if I can find that link |
| 17:26.06 | Navi | Yeah, over the air updates |
| 17:26.23 | Navi | qwerty borked his system though |
| 17:26.47 | Navi | so reflashing's the easiest way out |
| 17:27.16 | Ziegler | So it is possible... Just doesnt work yet |
| 17:27.32 | Navi | Over the air updates? |
| 17:27.37 | Ziegler | ya |
| 17:27.40 | lcuk | incrimental updates are better anyway - people are fed up with full flash to change |
| 17:27.48 | Navi | It's a feature for diablo |
| 17:27.51 | lcuk | plus it will become easier for nokia to give smaller updates |
| 17:27.57 | Navi | lcuk, agreed |
| 17:28.39 | lcuk | obviously they can't/shouldnt get rid of the full flash but thats only for complete reformat |
| 17:28.50 | b0unc3 | http://pastebin.ca/983821 someone can help me pls ? |
| 17:28.58 | Ziegler | Incremental over the air updates availible with next os update is what I read. I assume that meant diablo |
| 17:29.09 | Navi | yeah |
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| 17:29.52 | Navi | b0unc3, pretty weird there |
| 17:30.37 | Ziegler | I had a simmilar problem |
| 17:30.49 | lcuk | 10 minutes!!! |
| 17:30.55 | Ziegler | This An n810? |
| 17:30.57 | lcuk | from cold reboot |
| 17:31.00 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:31.10 | b0unc3 | Ziegler: no, 770 |
| 17:31.13 | lcuk | thats the best ive had it - i have found a sweet spot :D |
| 17:31.14 | Ziegler | Oh |
| 17:31.42 | Ziegler | My problem had to do with a poor memory mis-format |
| 17:32.00 | lcuk | stops moaning about gps |
| 17:32.05 | Ziegler | I backed everything up and re-formated the mem |
| 17:32.20 | Ziegler | All was good after that |
| 17:33.17 | Ziegler | Dont know if that helps you |
| 17:34.32 | b0unc3 | uhm... if I mount it on my laptop the problem persists... strange... |
| 17:35.54 | Ziegler | Can u reformat it from th770? |
| 17:36.20 | b0unc3 | yes |
| 17:36.55 | Ziegler | Does os2008 run on the 770? |
| 17:37.50 | b0unc3 | maybe no... I use OS2006... |
| 17:38.09 | Ziegler | I was just currious |
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| 17:47.58 | Navi | OS2008HE |
| 17:48.52 | Ziegler | Oh right |
| 17:53.40 | Navi | Hrm |
| 17:54.08 | Navi | I really like the black keyboard in hendrika |
| 17:54.44 | Navi | Wonder if I can swap out the button images for nuvoclear |
| 17:59.02 | UserID10T | Who here recently purchased an n800? |
| 18:01.15 | Ziegler | n810 here a couple weeks ago... But almost did the n800 |
| 18:02.45 | Italodance | UserID10T me ???? |
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| 18:03.13 | mikedep333 | I just purchased an N800 |
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| 18:08.51 | UserID10T | Congrats mikedep333 |
| 18:08.57 | UserID10T | You already have yours? |
| 18:09.02 | UserID10T | Mine is about to be shipped. |
| 18:09.19 | UserID10T | Congrats, Ziegler and Italodance too. |
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| 18:09.30 | UserID10T | I was talking with someone in IM, sorry about the disappearance. |
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| 18:14.19 | mikedep333 | yeah, I received it on wednesday |
| 18:14.31 | UserID10T | Got it all tricked out yet? |
| 18:14.35 | mikedep333 | mostly |
| 18:14.39 | mikedep333 | still struggling with some things |
| 18:14.40 | mikedep333 | like email |
| 18:14.47 | UserID10T | I had purched a Helio Ocean for mobile device use, but it is so buggy... |
| 18:14.54 | mikedep333 | but I think thats a problem with another email client acccessing the same mailbox |
| 18:14.59 | UserID10T | My yahoo doesn't want to connect, it lags and freezes up... |
| 18:15.18 | UserID10T | Another client on the n800 or on another system? |
| 18:15.40 | mikedep333 | I think a client on another system is downloading all the messages off gmail permanently |
| 18:15.49 | UserID10T | Weak. |
| 18:15.54 | mikedep333 | causing my n800 to never be able to download them |
| 18:15.59 | mikedep333 | but I'm looking into it |
| 18:16.13 | UserID10T | But gmail's client should still handle the emails web based right? |
| 18:16.23 | UserID10T | So it should still catch them on multiple clients. |
| 18:16.27 | mikedep333 | I'm sure i can use the gmail web interface, yeah |
| 18:16.31 | UserID10T | Cause if you go to gmail.com you can see them right? |
| 18:16.50 | UserID10T | Well the client software shouldn't access a database other than gmail.com's right? |
| 18:17.04 | UserID10T | So multi-access COULDN'T be the problem... |
| 18:17.06 | UserID10T | Am I wrong? |
| 18:17.36 | mikedep333 | I'll look into it later |
| 18:18.18 | UserID10T | I don't know linux, and I am not a fan of pop, smtp or other servers. |
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| 18:20.17 | UserID10T | Oh Mike, on the n800 from what I can see on maemo.org, you can download and install directly onto the system via wifi or usb. Is that right? |
| 18:20.30 | UserID10T | Or does the .install have to be sent from the PC? |
| 18:20.40 | mikedep333 | from what I understand |
| 18:20.42 | mikedep333 | and have done |
| 18:20.42 | UserID10T | Like...using shell. |
| 18:20.52 | mikedep333 | the usb is only for upgrading from OS2007 to 2008 |
| 18:21.00 | mikedep333 | once that is installed |
| 18:21.05 | mikedep333 | you install everything over wi-fi |
| 18:21.32 | mikedep333 | you add repositories, install packages from repositories, and install deb packages over the web or whatever |
| 18:21.34 | mikedep333 | all using wi-fi |
| 18:21.55 | mikedep333 | or manually install tarballs or whatever by transferring them over wi-fi |
| 18:22.09 | UserID10T | Cause of the flash, eh? |
| 18:22.13 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 18:22.19 | mikedep333 | I think there are ways to transfer files over USB |
| 18:22.21 | mikedep333 | but I am not sure |
| 18:22.25 | UserID10T | I don't know what the crap a repository is yet. :( |
| 18:22.34 | mikedep333 | it's a web site |
| 18:22.35 | UserID10T | There are mike, I saw on youtube. |
| 18:22.36 | UserID10T | Heh. |
| 18:22.45 | mikedep333 | that only the operating system accesses |
| 18:22.53 | elb | you can mount the device as a USB mass storage device |
| 18:22.58 | mikedep333 | it grabs and install software packages from the repo |
| 18:22.58 | UserID10T | Yep |
| 18:23.03 | UserID10T | Ah I see. |
| 18:23.05 | mikedep333 | oh, right |
| 18:23.08 | elb | but you don't do that to install packages |
| 18:23.23 | mikedep333 | and it gets updates to those packages from the repository |
| 18:24.15 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 18:24.22 | mikedep333 | and packages show up in your package manager |
| 18:24.26 | mikedep333 | once the repository is added |
| 18:24.33 | mikedep333 | so you can easily browse the available packages |
| 18:25.31 | UserID10T | *sighs* |
| 18:25.37 | UserID10T | Where are good tutorials? |
| 18:25.52 | UserID10T | I should get mine Tuesday, and I need to learn a little but of the structure of linux. |
| 18:26.05 | UserID10T | or the proprietary platform for the n800 |
| 18:26.07 | UserID10T | Whatever it may be. |
| 18:26.26 | elb | you don't really need to know a lot about Linux to do day-to-day things with the n800 |
| 18:26.43 | UserID10T | But setup and installation you would. |
| 18:26.49 | elb | not really, no |
| 18:27.10 | UserID10T | Sweet. |
| 18:27.20 | elb | typical software installation etc. won't require specific Linux knowledge |
| 18:27.39 | elb | if you want to do fancy and/or cutting edge things, you might, because those packages and softwares don't tend to be as polished |
| 18:27.54 | elb | but just using applications and installing new, popular software is pretty much point-and-tap :-) |
| 18:28.20 | UserID10T | I will be getting...some themes, xmame, scummvm, some other games, pidgin...and a few others. |
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| 18:28.40 | UserID10T | I won't personally need databases beyond what these programs will require. |
| 18:28.41 | Ziegler | Hehe sounds like my first actions |
| 18:28.51 | UserID10T | high fives Ziegler. |
| 18:29.22 | Ziegler | :-) |
| 18:29.43 | lcuk | how do i create "local" function declarations in c - ie ones which do not conflict with functions of the same name defined in different .c files? |
| 18:29.46 | mikedep333 | UserID10T: you may need to upgrade to ITOS2008 for that |
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| 18:29.52 | mikedep333 | *for all that |
| 18:29.57 | mikedep333 | fortunately, that is easy |
| 18:30.23 | mikedep333 | and very useful in other ways too |
| 18:30.36 | Ziegler | I installed motion yestersay to utilize the web cam... As the webcam.... Its a bit buggy after shutdown... But it works quite nicley |
| 18:31.21 | UserID10T | ITOS2008... |
| 18:34.02 | UserID10T | Woah the OS2008 side of maemo.org is throwing an error. |
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| 18:37.40 | keesj | UserID10T: the whole site is giving errors at random times. very very unproffestional[tm] if you ask me |
| 18:38.13 | keesj | and when the message contain sql kind of stuff , I really dislike it |
| 18:38.21 | czr | lcuk, you don't :-) |
| 18:38.34 | czr | lcuk, or you can try playing with linker flags if the symbols come from shared libs |
| 18:39.02 | keesj | but it is the "features" apps that are going wrong |
| 18:39.17 | UserID10T | I see I see. |
| 18:39.26 | keesj | lcuk: you name it static |
| 18:40.13 | keesj | http://www.space.unibe.ch/comp_doc/c_manual/C/SYNTAX/static.htm |
| 18:40.40 | keesj | but the guy is as good in spelling as I am "visable" |
| 18:41.45 | keesj | you can also play around with define and undef :p |
| 18:41.50 | UserID10T | If you make an app request, is the response met generally quickly? |
| 18:41.57 | elb | define "an app request" |
| 18:42.12 | UserID10T | A request for a port of said game or application. |
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| 18:42.13 | elb | and yeah, maemo.org has its share of problems |
| 18:42.25 | elb | that depends on the interest of someone who can do the port |
| 18:42.29 | UserID10T | Is there some sort of restriction in what can be chosen? |
| 18:42.38 | UserID10T | I see. I would assume that of course. |
| 18:43.02 | UserID10T | I meant, does it have to be linux based already, does it need to be stored as a certain type of file, etc. |
| 18:43.16 | UserID10T | But if it's just interest, that's workable. |
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| 18:44.00 | komputiko | hello |
| 18:44.21 | komputiko | what is better for my N800: xfce or kde? |
| 18:44.28 | komputiko | i want to install one of them |
| 18:44.42 | keesj | e17 |
| 18:44.54 | komputiko | i can install enlightenment? |
| 18:44.59 | elb | UserID10T: if it's Linux and Gtk+-based, and has a relatively simple UI, for example, it would possibly take less interest, because the port would be easier |
| 18:44.59 | komputiko | its that possible? |
| 18:45.08 | elb | UserID10T: but if source is available, interest is all that's required |
| 18:45.29 | keesj | komputiko: no , there is no package atm |
| 18:45.32 | komputiko | ok, so e17, xfce or kde...? |
| 18:45.37 | komputiko | ah ok |
| 18:45.58 | komputiko | then..? |
| 18:46.02 | komputiko | xfce or kde |
| 18:46.26 | keesj | the main prolbem is having a keyboard( I think there are packages for kde) |
| 18:46.27 | komputiko | i think that maybe xfce will be better |
| 18:47.06 | keesj | if you have a keyboard perhaps |
| 18:47.34 | keesj | hildon is tweaked for the n800 so that would be the best |
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| 18:49.37 | b0unc3 | maybe you can try cellwriter... |
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| 18:51.48 | komputiko | ups |
| 18:52.12 | komputiko | so you think that kde or xfce are not usable |
| 18:52.16 | komputiko | with n800 |
| 18:53.42 | komputiko | really i only like test amarok... but i think it will be slow |
| 18:53.52 | komputiko | and maybe koffice |
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| 18:57.53 | lcuk | keesj, thank you :) ive taken a few functions out of a module to test optimised versions thereof, but i dont want to change the interface |
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| 19:00.07 | Mousey | me uses his n810 without shame |
| 19:00.16 | Mousey | +/ |
| 19:00.59 | Ziegler | Heh |
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| 19:03.17 | fireun | Question: I've read that the 770 has interference issues with 802.11n nodes - something about 802.11n packets making the 770 blind to its AP browser finding anything. Any info on this, or a fix? |
| 19:04.15 | fireun | I found a forum entry that had something about manually configuring the default AP association, but the packages linked were not compatible with either of my 770 os versions |
| 19:04.58 | fireun | this is really frustrating to me, both 770s were used as wifi-media/music. now I have to listen to ipod music or none at all. |
| 19:07.09 | fireun | running kismet shows all the missint APs that dont show up in the wifi browser |
| 19:07.24 | fireun | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?s=24f6cc794d1aef3d68686850f8edc6b0&searchid=1658210 |
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| 19:10.35 | fireun | I guess its sunday, mostly lurkers - /msg me if anyone has suggestions for a solution, I've tried the latest OS versions both HE and standard on my two 770s, no functional wifi at home. |
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| 19:19.39 | komputiko | somebody speak spanish? alguien habla español? |
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| 19:31.37 | mikedep333 | hey, I'm looking to setup the grandcentral free phone service |
| 19:31.47 | mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+landline |
| 19:31.53 | mikedep333 | does anyone have an invite? |
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| 19:45.00 | NeoStrider_ | hey folks |
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| 19:46.07 | ralann | is grandcentral still around? |
| 19:46.10 | ralann | lol |
| 19:46.19 | ralann | i forgot all about them |
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| 19:58.41 | konttori | does anyone use the mplayer-plugin on the browser? |
| 19:59.18 | konttori | I have just created a greasemonkey script that turns youtube to use the plugin, but on my device, the plugin doesn't work at all. |
| 19:59.24 | Ziegler | No, but i would like to |
| 19:59.54 | Navi | Heh |
| 19:59.55 | konttori | I only get a "loading playlist" from mplayer. |
| 20:00.29 | konttori | anyway, if someone does have the plugin running, I could share the greasemonkey script. |
| 20:00.53 | konttori | If that turns out to be working, I could quickly write support for a few other services as well. |
| 20:01.33 | konttori | as really, the flash performance is only able to barely take care of youtube, but absolutely not of other, more demanding services |
| 20:01.40 | konttori | like dailymotion |
| 20:02.05 | konttori | greasemonkey is, by the way, truly great |
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| 20:21.37 | mikedep333 | where can I find the IT video convertor |
| 20:21.50 | mikedep333 | I thought nokia had some other software available for your desktop PC |
| 20:22.09 | mikedep333 | but all I see is rhapsody and the OS2008 update on their site |
| 20:22.29 | mikedep333 | nm, found it |
| 20:22.30 | mikedep333 | http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 |
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| 20:40.39 | Cptnodegard | http://planon.com/docupen.php that thing would pwn with an it |
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| 20:49.33 | KotCzarny | yawn |
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| 21:21.49 | nwidger | when i open modest, i get the error window 'Unable to connect to imap.gmail.com. Server name or port number may be incorrect". yet, when i type "ping imap.gmail.com" at the console, i get back replies. anyone know what's wrong? |
| 21:23.10 | KotCzarny | beta software |
| 21:23.21 | KotCzarny | wait for update or rollback to older version |
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| 21:23.29 | KotCzarny | at least that's what i have heard |
| 21:23.41 | nwidger | so others are having the same problem? |
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| 21:23.54 | KotCzarny | as far i can remember, yes |
| 21:24.06 | nwidger | okay that's fine, i was worried i had screwed something up :) |
| 21:24.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:24.19 | KotCzarny | but keep searching |
| 21:24.31 | nwidger | like on the mailing list and such? |
| 21:24.37 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:24.42 | nwidger | the latest archive is for feb 2008 though |
| 21:25.03 | mrklaw | you could try these instructions to test imap via telnet http://documents.made-it.com/imapcmd.html |
| 21:25.30 | nwidger | sure |
| 21:25.37 | mrklaw | if that works, you know it's the client |
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| 21:26.31 | nwidger | well i can connect fine using evolution on my laptop |
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| 21:30.29 | lirakis | im looking into getting an n810 .. part of the req. for my getting it will be the ability to make voip calls via SIP. Is there one app that stands out for VoIP on the n810 |
| 21:31.00 | nwidger | lirakis: there's skype |
| 21:31.05 | nwidger | and gizmo |
| 21:31.14 | nwidger | and plain ol' SIP client too |
| 21:31.37 | lirakis | nwidger: skype is evil |
| 21:31.38 | lirakis | hehe |
| 21:31.47 | lirakis | .. im looking for plain sip |
| 21:31.54 | lirakis | so gizmo i guess |
| 21:32.01 | nwidger | well there you go :P |
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| 21:33.18 | lirakis | im looking around on maemoapps.org ... is there a single site that has a repository of apps for the nseries ? |
| 21:33.52 | KotCzarny | maemo.org |
| 21:34.04 | lirakis | KotCzarny: it seems kinda broken |
| 21:34.04 | KotCzarny | and garage.maemo.org for beta apps |
| 21:34.13 | KotCzarny | yeah, it's laggy sometimes |
| 21:34.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:34.24 | KotCzarny | all those n8x0 users ;) |
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| 21:35.03 | KotCzarny | but you can find most of them in application manager |
| 21:35.07 | KotCzarny | after you enable extras |
| 21:35.09 | lirakis | i see a bunch of code "( ! ) Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(538) : eval()'d code on line 15 Call Stack" .. on maemo.org |
| 21:35.19 | KotCzarny | but keep the 'beta quality' in mind |
| 21:35.24 | lirakis | looks like its actually .. broken |
| 21:35.37 | KotCzarny | lirakis: yeah |
| 21:35.48 | KotCzarny | still, it will be up soon i think |
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| 21:36.04 | nwidger | gizmo is nice, i wish the linux client would add video call support though :( |
| 21:36.11 | nwidger | even the nokia port has it |
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| 21:36.56 | lirakis | nwidger: nice .. im on gizmo5.com |
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| 21:37.45 | Andy80 | do you know where can I find an usage example of GtkIconView in python? I've googled around, but couldn't find anything... |
| 21:37.55 | nwidger | lirakis: cool. |
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| 21:40.21 | crashanddie | lirakis, I've never used gizmo, mainly because it requires you to make an account even though you use another SIP provider (say, your ISP) |
| 21:40.36 | crashanddie | lirakis, I use the good old stock SIP client, which works flawlessly |
| 21:40.52 | lirakis | crashanddie: ..? it requires you to make an account ? |
| 21:41.20 | lirakis | crashanddie: what is the "stock" sip client called ? |
| 21:41.41 | lirakis | crashanddie: im just trying to get some info about the clients available |
| 21:42.35 | crashanddie | lirakis, yeah, basically gizmo works with an account service, basically, they offer premium rates to most countries, so you *need* an account with them (even though you don't balance it at all) in order to connect, and then connect to your secondary SIP service provider |
| 21:42.47 | lirakis | crashanddie: oh thats lame |
| 21:43.02 | KotCzarny | herding users |
| 21:43.06 | KotCzarny | that's what it is |
| 21:43.09 | crashanddie | lirakis, the stock SIP client is called "Internet Call", it's shipped with ITOS 2008 by default, I *think* it's proprietary |
| 21:43.37 | lirakis | crashanddie: yeah.. i am my own itsp.. i have several softswitches and carrier relationships ... so .. i just want to connect to my servers only .. no middleman ;) |
| 21:43.44 | lirakis | crashanddie: thanks for the info |
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| 21:44.47 | lirakis | has anyone got info about the wimax version of the n810 and the service sprint will be offering? |
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| 21:53.42 | megabyte405 | lirakis: the built-in sip client is _not_ proprietary, it's based on telepathy |
| 21:53.54 | megabyte405 | (well, I mean, the UI is but not the actual guts of it) |
| 21:54.28 | lirakis | megabyte405: okay cool i thought i read "telepathy" some where.. ill look about |
| 21:57.12 | MangoFusion | i can read people's minds with my n800, y'know |
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| 22:00.50 | mikedep333 | package telepathy? |
| 22:01.17 | MangoFusion | i knew you were going to say that |
| 22:01.23 | Robot101 | telepathy.freedesktop.org is what rtcomm.garage.maemo.org is based on |
| 22:01.44 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 22:01.51 | Robot101 | you can put presets in for the sip client, its pretty easy |
| 22:02.00 | Robot101 | take a look at /usr/share/osso-rtcom/profiles/ |
| 22:02.38 | Robot101 | sleeps |
| 22:06.19 | Ziegler | Still having problems with the webcam working when i make sip calls with the n810 |
| 22:06.56 | Ziegler | n810 to n810 |
| 22:08.30 | lirakis | soo... is the 810 .. waaayyy better than the 800? |
| 22:08.52 | Ziegler | I like the gps and keayboard |
| 22:09.08 | Ziegler | And i got mine for ~$300 |
| 22:09.24 | Ziegler | (Slightly used) |
| 22:09.47 | Ziegler | Fm reciever would be nice |
| 22:10.08 | Ziegler | But other than that, I like it |
| 22:10.10 | shapr | I want the wimax edition! |
| 22:10.12 | KotCzarny | got n800 for 150 |
| 22:10.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:10.49 | Ziegler | I dont see the big deal about wimax... Especially since i have not seen it offered much around here |
| 22:10.54 | lirakis | yeah i want the wimax ed. too |
| 22:11.04 | lirakis | if sprint actually offers it |
| 22:11.21 | lirakis | b/c i dont give a hoot about a umpc if i can only use it at home or at the office |
| 22:11.59 | Ziegler | I do have a bunch of wifi hotspots in the area |
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| 22:14.02 | practisevoodoo | do they actually sell 8gb minisd cards? |
| 22:14.04 | Ziegler | Any in the market for a dell computer? |
| 22:14.07 | sp3000 | how does modest deal with new msg notifications if you have new messages in various folders on an imap account? |
| 22:14.11 | Ziegler | Yes they do |
| 22:14.21 | Ziegler | Wait no |
| 22:14.25 | Ziegler | Micro sd |
| 22:14.37 | sp3000 | looks for an imap account to test stuff with |
| 22:14.45 | sp3000 | finds something that might work |
| 22:15.08 | practisevoodoo | hang on i cant remember which one the n810 uses |
| 22:15.09 | sp3000 | I think I need to only get notifications and autodownload on one folder, in what I'm thinking of doing |
| 22:15.12 | Ziegler | Ebay has been selling a bunch of micri sdhc 8gb cards latley |
| 22:15.47 | Ziegler | With adapters for mini and standard |
| 22:16.13 | practisevoodoo | damn you nokia, you couldnt have just used sodding sd cards could you? |
| 22:16.15 | Ziegler | < $US 50 |
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| 22:16.33 | cyberholic | goooooooooood evening everyone! |
| 22:16.48 | cyberholic | Hi General and all you others i already had the pleasure to talk to :) |
| 22:16.53 | sp3000 | oof, maemo.org/downloads isn't happy :( |
| 22:17.04 | pupnik | the darn keyboard on n810 is making my 770 very lonely |
| 22:17.31 | KotCzarny | pupnik: use 770 as a remote display |
| 22:17.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:18.25 | cyberholic | Hi everyone, i just finished my latest online project *sigh* within 2 days.. *double sigh* |
| 22:18.27 | practisevoodoo | what's sdhc mean? |
| 22:18.44 | Ziegler | High capacity |
| 22:18.50 | cyberholic | practisevoodoo: thats a standard for SD cards... a new one |
| 22:19.05 | Ziegler | Thats what the n810 uses |
| 22:19.25 | cyberholic | but i read somewhere that the n800 also can rad sdhac cards |
| 22:19.31 | practisevoodoo | i cant keep track of all the damn flash memory formats |
| 22:19.48 | KotCzarny | even 770 can read sd/sdhc nowadays |
| 22:20.03 | KotCzarny | it's just a matter of kernel driver |
| 22:20.04 | practisevoodoo | im still annoyed by all the compact flash cards i have |
| 22:21.26 | KotCzarny | send them to me |
| 22:21.30 | KotCzarny | problem solved |
| 22:21.31 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:21.32 | Ziegler | Can n810 read regular sd? |
| 22:21.42 | KotCzarny | ziegler: yes |
| 22:21.47 | cyberholic | Ok guys... here we go! Would be nice if you could test out my Mojocafe Radio at http://www.mojocafe.net/radio .... and tell me sum bugs and critics... apart of the fact that i used flash :) |
| 22:23.08 | cyberholic | and tell me if you found the "hidden area" :) |
| 22:23.48 | cyberholic | and do not forget to change to fullscreen mode :) |
| 22:24.12 | Navi | Where's the icon for the task launcher menu thing? |
| 22:25.31 | Ziegler | Works |
| 22:25.45 | cyberholic | ziegler: you mean mine? |
| 22:25.57 | Ziegler | Wondered why it wasnt playing at first |
| 22:26.20 | Ziegler | Need some sort of indicator. Cyb...yes |
| 22:26.25 | Ziegler | Brb |
| 22:26.40 | cyberholic | Ziegler: you mean some kind of "loading" indicatore, right? Good idea! |
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| 22:28.14 | lirakis | soo.. if you guys could get a 770 for $80 .. or a 810 for $350 ... could you explain the thought process for choosing one over the other? |
| 22:28.35 | KotCzarny | if you can afford 810. go for it |
| 22:28.44 | KotCzarny | 770 is 2005 technology |
| 22:28.48 | cyberholic | Well buy the n800, its cheaper then the n810 but better then the 770 :) |
| 22:28.50 | KotCzarny | and getting old |
| 22:28.52 | lirakis | yeah .. i know.. |
| 22:28.59 | KotCzarny | or get both |
| 22:29.06 | lirakis | .. that is another question .. is the 810 really worth the extra cash? |
| 22:29.09 | KotCzarny | and give 770 for your kids |
| 22:29.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:29.21 | Jiten_ | 770 I wouldn't touch. n800 vs n810 is a choice I'd have to consider for a while :P |
| 22:29.36 | lirakis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.37 | lirakis | ;) |
| 22:29.58 | cyberholic | there are some reviews out there telling wy the 800 is better then the 810. The main questions are: 1. do you need GPS and 2. do you need the keyboard? |
| 22:30.05 | cyberholic | If not, then take the n800. |
| 22:30.20 | KotCzarny | ad2. you can always get bt kb |
| 22:30.26 | KotCzarny | ad1. bt gps |
| 22:30.27 | lirakis | i dont need gps |
| 22:30.54 | lirakis | is the onscreen keyboard pretty good? .. ive never even seen any of these devices in person |
| 22:31.00 | cyberholic | lirakis: i have the n800 and like kot says: both "missing" things on the n800 can be bundled up with bluetooth devices. |
| 22:31.02 | lirakis | (except the dummy store models) |
| 22:31.19 | lirakis | .. i wish i could demo one |
| 22:31.35 | KotCzarny | lirakis: try nokia's website |
| 22:31.39 | KotCzarny | it has flash demo |
| 22:31.41 | KotCzarny | i believe |
| 22:31.48 | lirakis | i meant .. touchy feely demo |
| 22:31.55 | cyberholic | hey people: do you have any internet radio you would like me to add to the Mojocafe Radio? |
| 22:32.02 | lirakis | .. like try out the keyboard etc. to see if its some thing i would actually need |
| 22:32.04 | KotCzarny | lirakis: any big shops around? |
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| 22:32.18 | KotCzarny | or some online sellers with 30-day money back? |
| 22:32.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.27 | Deformative | Does anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc? |
| 22:32.44 | KotCzarny | Deformative: vmware on intelmac |
| 22:33.09 | Jiten_ | lirakis: the onscreen keyboard is usable quite fast but it's quite easy to make typos with it and it puts large dents in your typing speed to fix them. |
| 22:33.43 | lirakis | hmm .. okay.. so vs the 810 click kb ? |
| 22:34.03 | lirakis | i mean ... i assume it would be similarly easy to mess up on that... |
| 22:34.16 | lirakis | i have a blackberry 8700 now.. and i can flub on that |
| 22:34.27 | Deformative | KotCzarny: ? |
| 22:34.43 | cyberholic | lirakis: does the 8700 play flash files? |
| 22:35.21 | lirakis | cyberholic: .. no i dont think so.. but i dont care about that really |
| 22:35.39 | lirakis | cyberholic: i think its funny people are all about wanting to be able to watch youtube on these things |
| 22:36.10 | cyberholic | lirakis: no. not youtube. i am asking because of porting my project to more devices: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4254502208055432294 |
| 22:37.15 | Proteous | great, a flash video :/ |
| 22:37.41 | cyberholic | *gg* |
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| 22:41.31 | lirakis | cyberholic: a cool |
| 22:41.50 | lirakis | cyberholic: whats your project called? .. mojocafe?? |
| 22:41.56 | cyberholic | yeah. mojocafe.net |
| 22:42.02 | lirakis | nice |
| 22:42.05 | lirakis | looks slick |
| 22:42.15 | cyberholic | thnx. I want to port that to other devices too. |
| 22:42.29 | cyberholic | Thats why i asked about the 8700 |
| 22:44.11 | lirakis | cyberholic: i think there is some support with commercial apps |
| 22:44.42 | cyberholic | lirakis: the problem is that i want to keep it free, so i think that the commercial apps would not like that :) |
| 22:45.11 | lirakis | yeah.. i think the 8700 is out of the picture |
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| 22:56.07 | fysa | lirakis, I often wish I had an N810 instead of an N800 to avoid the horrible onscreen keyboard. |
| 22:56.21 | fysa | and the extra effective screen real estate you will get by not covering up a browser window with the keyboard. |
| 22:56.47 | lirakis | fysa: yeah .. it def. seems like it can go both ways. |
| 22:57.18 | lirakis | i mean .. i can afford a 810 .. but i dont want to spend $350 on a gadget if i can spend 200 |
| 22:57.40 | lirakis | b/c im worried about this being just a gadget that isnt really all that usefull |
| 22:58.14 | fysa | yeah, that's what I thought also. but now it turns out that the device really is useful, but I am increasingly frustrated at how much more useful it could be with improved input. |
| 22:58.17 | fysa | i.e., writing a note on the go. |
| 22:58.23 | lirakis | right |
| 22:58.33 | practisevoodoo | lirakis, trust your technolust |
| 22:58.37 | lirakis | i mean.. having to go from .. app to keyboard.. to app.. etc. would be really annoying |
| 22:58.43 | practisevoodoo | ignore usefullness |
| 22:59.33 | lirakis | lol |
| 22:59.48 | practisevoodoo | i've just ignored all my common sense and ordered one, when it arrives ill tell you if i regret it |
| 23:00.13 | lirakis | i have an eee pc .. and i love it.. i put ubuntu on it and it is great... but im looking at a n series b/c it is more portable.. i mean .. i cant carry the eee in a pocket |
| 23:00.45 | lirakis | .. but i cant actually do "work" on an n series .. like write full on documents etc. |
| 23:00.48 | lirakis | (i dont think) |
| 23:01.06 | practisevoodoo | i think you can |
| 23:01.16 | lirakis | yeah.. i think the 810 could be |
| 23:01.27 | practisevoodoo | and if all else there is the online google word |
| 23:01.30 | lirakis | but .. i think the 800 would be tough .. sans keyboard |
| 23:12.18 | lirakis | what kind of battery life do the 810's get? |
| 23:15.04 | johnx | it really depends on what you're doing |
| 23:15.41 | lirakis | understood .. but for web browsing.. any estimate |
| 23:15.49 | lirakis | is it 2 hours? or is it 10 hours? |
| 23:15.55 | johnx | for constant web browsing maybe 4 hours or so |
| 23:16.16 | johnx | it depends on if you're watching flash constantly or reading a static page |
| 23:16.48 | lirakis | righyt |
| 23:16.51 | lirakis | *-y |
| 23:17.03 | elb | using just fbreader I get a *long* time |
| 23:17.12 | johnx | same here :) |
| 23:17.19 | elb | I'm not sure how long, but ... I don't charge often |
| 23:17.33 | johnx | one of the most important things going into the tablets is to have the right expectations |
| 23:18.28 | lirakis | yeah .. i am trying to feel out what it is i can expect before spending a couple of hundred dollars |
| 23:18.44 | lirakis | id rather not have a sour taste for them .. or a $300 paperweight |
| 23:19.10 | johnx | too many people buy one, and then completely freak out when it doesn't mow their lawn or bring them a cold beer |
| 23:19.24 | lirakis | nah |
| 23:19.40 | lirakis | like i said.. i have an eee pc .. and it fills a great niche for me |
| 23:19.46 | lirakis | but i am really into voip |
| 23:19.51 | lirakis | and i run my own servers etc |
| 23:20.02 | lirakis | so id like some thing i can bring with me from home to office etc |
| 23:20.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.06 | lirakis | and have a sip phone on there |
| 23:20.14 | johnx | ah, I actually just got off a call on skype, on mine. :) |
| 23:20.15 | KotCzarny | think of it as pocketable computer |
| 23:20.22 | lirakis | so connectivity is a big thing to me |
| 23:20.38 | lirakis | but .. i dont know if i have the patients for the wimax ed. |
| 23:20.50 | KotCzarny | 'patience' ? |
| 23:20.51 | lirakis | and i dont know that any wimax providers will actually be around either |
| 23:20.53 | lirakis | err |
| 23:20.54 | lcuk | i see the nit as a great game. a puzzle. it needs time spending on it to make it perfect, but when you find the right stuff its amazing |
| 23:20.54 | johnx | ah, do you know if you'll be in a wimax coverage area? |
| 23:21.08 | lirakis | yeah .. sorry patience |
| 23:21.22 | lcuk | evening folks |
| 23:21.25 | johnx | KotCzarny is the resident grammar/spelling vigilante :) |
| 23:21.28 | KotCzarny | hi lcuk |
| 23:21.32 | johnx | evening lcuk :) |
| 23:21.36 | lirakis | johnx: dont know .. ive looked at the sprint site.. i live in manhattan so .. it will either be right away .. or never |
| 23:21.45 | johnx | heh |
| 23:21.46 | lirakis | and probably never b/c verizon owns EVERYTHING here |
| 23:21.46 | KotCzarny | johnx: it's either that o me doing errors ;) |
| 23:21.50 | KotCzarny | *or |
| 23:21.54 | johnx | :P |
| 23:22.10 | lirakis | ... at any rate |
| 23:22.13 | johnx | KotCzarny, making errors :) |
| 23:22.20 | lcuk | kot, pressure works as you expect now, and a few more things besides |
| 23:22.27 | KotCzarny | lirakis: you shouldn't worry, there's always craigslist if you don't like it |
| 23:22.36 | KotCzarny | lcuk: hoorrray |
| 23:22.51 | lirakis | .. if a n810 can be as functional for browsing.. document editing as my eee pc ... and give me the portability, and immediate access that the eee doesnt .. id be thrilled |
| 23:22.57 | lcuk | does anyone know how i do an inverted line type thing in c. i want to invert draw some bytes |
| 23:23.11 | johnx | anyways, my take on my n800. It's great for web surfing, and ebook reading and *light* email (with modest) |
| 23:23.16 | KotCzarny | inverted line? |
| 23:23.19 | lirakis | lcuk: are you talking about a bitwise or |
| 23:23.21 | lirakis | ? |
| 23:23.41 | lcuk | yer - reversable drawing so i can draw it once and it shows up, draw the same thing again it goes away and puts back the original bits |
| 23:23.45 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:23.54 | KotCzarny | undo bitmap |
| 23:23.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:24.02 | lirakis | i have a prs-500 for ebooks .. it is SICK .. i got it for $50 with the sony rewards deal |
| 23:24.04 | lcuk | very ugly and not required |
| 23:24.07 | lirakis | best $50 i ever spent |
| 23:24.26 | KotCzarny | lirakis: drm is sick. |
| 23:24.29 | johnx | no backlight, huh? |
| 23:24.47 | lirakis | KotCzarny: i dont use the sony connect software.. so .. i dont use any drm books |
| 23:24.56 | lirakis | KotCzarny: its all plaintext for me :D |
| 23:25.01 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 23:25.08 | lcuk | i tried but its not having the effect. buffer[ pos ] ^= 1; i thought this was how you did it but its not.. |
| 23:25.23 | lcuk | likes lirakis already |
| 23:25.30 | KotCzarny | lcuk: hum? |
| 23:25.54 | johnx | is strange as it sounds I actually prefer reading on a backlit screen, and the N800 is just about as high resolution as a traditional LCD gets |
| 23:26.02 | johnx | resolution in terms of DPI... |
| 23:26.02 | lcuk | plaintextaholic :) and the line draw is whats buggin me |
| 23:26.15 | KotCzarny | johnx: n8x0 is 225dpi.. |
| 23:26.23 | KotCzarny | laptops are ~100dpi |
| 23:26.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.28 | lcuk | fonts now have correct widths, no more align by 4 nonesense |
| 23:26.46 | johnx | KotCzarny, I know. That was my point... |
| 23:26.59 | KotCzarny | johnx: i missed the point then.. :) |
| 23:27.20 | johnx | that the N800 is nice to read on, because of its high DPI screen |
| 23:27.37 | KotCzarny | a few inches more would be nice.. |
| 23:27.42 | KotCzarny | i'm not complaining though |
| 23:27.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:27.55 | johnx | I prefer it to be pocketable |
| 23:28.04 | johnx | if it's not, then it's pretty useless to me |
| 23:28.07 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 23:28.14 | KotCzarny | but there's still some space inside |
| 23:28.19 | KotCzarny | at currenct form factor ;) |
| 23:28.25 | KotCzarny | *current |
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| 23:28.51 | lirakis | i hate nyc sales tax |
| 23:28.59 | Navi | johnx, yeah, good stuff |
| 23:29.03 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 23:29.10 | Navi | I read all my email and rss feeds from it |
| 23:29.11 | lirakis | 8.375% ugh |
| 23:29.18 | KotCzarny | lirakis: wanna buy me it for you? |
| 23:29.20 | johnx | lirakis, act soon. They're trying to apply it to online sales too, IIRC... |
| 23:29.22 | KotCzarny | if it's online |
| 23:29.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:29.36 | lirakis | johnx: yeah i know ... the "amazon tax" |
| 23:29.40 | lirakis | bastards |
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| 23:33.12 | johnx | lirakis, so the other question is, how do you feel about using the command line? |
| 23:33.44 | Proteous | everyone knows that the command line is like a big drill |
| 23:33.57 | johnx | how so? |
| 23:33.59 | Proteous | a whole hog to be more exact |
| 23:34.03 | Proteous | er, hole hog |
| 23:34.08 | KotCzarny | for me it's essential |
| 23:34.12 | KotCzarny | scripting etc |
| 23:34.30 | KotCzarny | you cannot easily automate tasks with guis |
| 23:34.35 | Proteous | no one has read "In the beginning was the command line" I guess |
| 23:34.56 | johnx | I might have read part |
| 23:35.03 | johnx | Neal Stephenson, yes? |
| 23:35.06 | Proteous | THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! |
| 23:35.10 | johnx | O_o |
| 23:35.11 | Proteous | heh |
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| 23:35.36 | Proteous | yeah, stephenson |
| 23:35.52 | Proteous | http://books.google.com/books?id=OmnF5MGRNn8C&dq=in+the+beginning+was+the+command+line&pg=PP1&ots=XTM9KG3vIF&sig=vnWlaff2plLzgbMiyxhhxk1YCkM&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=bRW&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=in+the+beginning+was+the+command+line&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail |
| 23:36.04 | KotCzarny | fail. |
| 23:36.08 | Proteous | http://tinyurl.com/3lrub4 |
| 23:36.15 | Proteous | :P |
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| 23:42.58 | johnx | reads... |
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| 23:45.14 | Ziegler | Dont mean to spam, but i have a $200 gift card to dell that I will sell for a bit less if somone here is looking to make a purchase. Otherwise, ill just put it on ebay |
| 23:46.05 | smackpotato | a bit less of what |
| 23:46.42 | Ziegler | I dunno 190 for the 200 gift card? |
| 23:46.57 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:47.10 | KotCzarny | if it was gift card for nokia.. then maybe |
| 23:47.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:47.11 | Proteous | and for just $20 he will ship the card to you! |
| 23:47.28 | dick-richardson | I've been in that position |
| 23:47.36 | dick-richardson | gift card I'll never use |
| 23:47.39 | Proteous | I've been in that positron |
| 23:47.45 | Ziegler | Nah, ill give it to you over the phone or whatever |
| 23:47.54 | Proteous | I was joking :P |
| 23:48.08 | dick-richardson | you've never been in a positron |
| 23:48.21 | KotCzarny | how can you tell? |
| 23:48.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:48.34 | Proteous | have too |
| 23:48.35 | Ziegler | Like i said... No biggy, but thought i would offer it here first |
| 23:48.42 | dick-richardson | then what color is it |
| 23:48.45 | Proteous | it's very, cramped |
| 23:49.06 | Proteous | color, heh, what color is a single photon? |
| 23:49.16 | johnx | muave |
| 23:49.19 | Proteous | heh |
| 23:49.28 | KotCzarny | beige |
| 23:49.28 | dick-richardson | OMG you HAVE been there, johnx |
| 23:49.34 | dick-richardson | beige is just silly |
| 23:49.41 | johnx | some people aren't ready for the truth :) I provide alternatives... |
| 23:49.47 | KotCzarny | life is just silly |
| 23:50.13 | dick-richardson | kk, if we're going to start being surreal I need a beer |
| 23:50.53 | KotCzarny | yeah, i'm dry too |
| 23:50.56 | KotCzarny | tea time |
| 23:51.05 | Proteous | I just made some chocolate milk... |
| 23:51.13 | dick-richardson | ooh, even better |
| 23:51.38 | dick-richardson | beers open though :( maybe I'll just put the syrup in the beer |
| 23:52.02 | Proteous | ... |
| 23:52.07 | Proteous | let us know how that goes |
| 23:52.22 | Ziegler | Pancake beer |
| 23:52.23 | Ziegler | Hmmm |
| 23:52.26 | KotCzarny | chocolate suryp |
| 23:52.34 | KotCzarny | *syrup |
| 23:52.44 | Ziegler | Ya... But it got me thinking |
| 23:52.53 | Ziegler | Dangerous thing |
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