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| 00:04.53 | mikedep333 | hey, I just got my n800. When you go to flash the device with OS2008, it asks you to fully charge the battery. Will flashing the device cause it to stop using AC power or something? |
| 00:05.10 | mikedep333 | I don't want to disrupt the initial 12-24 hour charge |
| 00:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | That charge isn't important on modern batteries. |
| 00:07.13 | GeneralAntilles | The issue is, if the device is plugged into the charger, it doesn't actually fully power off even when you turn it 'off' |
| 00:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | so you can never get into flashing mode |
| 00:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | So, the easy solution, is to unplug it, turn it off, plug in the USB cable, start the flasher, hold down the Swap/Home key and plug in the charger. |
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| 00:09.29 | mikedep333 | ok, thanks |
| 00:18.38 | KotCzarny | i would like gst-plugins-good bumped to version 0.10.7 |
| 00:18.50 | KotCzarny | has speex, jpg, png etc. added |
| 00:18.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:44.15 | yllus | silly question guys. How can I make the "make" command work? |
| 00:44.28 | KotCzarny | create Makefile |
| 00:45.09 | yllus | er, sorry, I misstated that. I have a package with a Makefile that I want to compile for my 770. But "make" doesn't work? |
| 00:45.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:45.34 | KotCzarny | are you compiling on device or in sdk? (scratchbox) |
| 00:45.41 | yllus | on device |
| 00:45.44 | yllus | Is that no good? |
| 00:45.51 | KotCzarny | you will have to install some packages |
| 00:45.57 | KotCzarny | by default they aren't included |
| 00:46.05 | yllus | ah, is there a FAQ or list somewhere for that? |
| 00:46.09 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:46.14 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 00:46.32 | KotCzarny | usually binutils/gcc/glibc-dev/make |
| 00:46.47 | KotCzarny | and -dev packages if you need some lib |
| 00:46.51 | KotCzarny | like ncurses |
| 00:46.54 | KotCzarny | or x11 |
| 00:47.26 | yllus | hmm, I see |
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| 01:33.04 | unixSnob | someone 'splain me what this gadget does => www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9472 |
| 01:33.32 | KotCzarny | Allows you to monitor your home and office from anywhere in the world (as long as there is a phone with you) |
| 01:33.56 | KotCzarny | probably evasedropping device |
| 01:34.15 | KotCzarny | *eavasedropping |
| 01:34.31 | unixSnob | how can it transmit over gsm? doesn't it then need a cellphone account? |
| 01:34.44 | KotCzarny | probably you put your sim in |
| 01:35.20 | unixSnob | so it's continuously running up minutes? |
| 01:35.49 | KotCzarny | if you go with such plan |
| 01:36.52 | KotCzarny | there are many plans with unlimited calling |
| 01:36.56 | unixSnob | I thought folks could not simply pop their sim chip in any device.. I heard cell providers want to control what hardware gets used |
| 01:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | You can pretty much pop your SIM into anything. |
| 01:37.22 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: phones can be 'simlocked' |
| 01:37.24 | GeneralAntilles | As long as it's compatible with the carrier's network. |
| 01:37.35 | KotCzarny | because they're expensive promotions |
| 01:37.49 | KotCzarny | and they don't want you to buy iphone and go with t-mobile |
| 01:37.50 | KotCzarny | etc. |
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| 01:38.15 | unixSnob | right, that's the context that I heard about the restriction |
| 01:38.17 | KotCzarny | if your device is unlocked you can use any card |
| 01:38.42 | KotCzarny | assuming it uses proper technology |
| 01:38.50 | KotCzarny | ie. gsm is not compatible with cdma |
| 01:38.58 | elb | but it is compatible with wcdma |
| 01:38.59 | elb | :-) |
| 01:39.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:39.11 | elb | unixSnob: the locks go the other direction, is what he's saying |
| 01:39.42 | KotCzarny | i should open a position for an interpreter :> |
| 01:40.00 | elb | however, the devices you can put on a GSM network are pretty heavily regulated by the radio regulations administrations |
| 01:40.04 | elb | (e.g., the FCC in the USA) |
| 01:40.38 | unixSnob | yeah, I think it's GSM that terrorists have been using for detonation |
| 01:40.47 | KotCzarny | what terrorists? |
| 01:40.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:41.04 | unixSnob | It's heavily restricted in the US, but there are ways to get anonymous gsm abroad |
| 01:41.07 | KotCzarny | (read: don't fall for tv news) |
| 01:41.09 | elb | if I were a terrorist, I wouldn't care about the radio technology |
| 01:41.15 | unixSnob | i don't have a tv |
| 01:41.31 | KotCzarny | anonymous gsm? |
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| 01:41.38 | elb | just hook a detonator up to, e.g., the vibrator circuit in an off-the-shelf handset and ring it |
| 01:41.43 | KotCzarny | do you have your own base stations? |
| 01:41.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:41.48 | unixSnob | well you would want the technology that exists in the area of your target |
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| 01:42.01 | elb | I don't know of any country which allows *really* anonymous mobile phones |
| 01:42.09 | KotCzarny | elb: prepaid |
| 01:42.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:42.20 | elb | KotCzarny: but they're not really anonymous anywhere I'm aware of |
| 01:42.32 | KotCzarny | elb: yes, imei is probably logged |
| 01:42.41 | KotCzarny | and sim id |
| 01:42.44 | elb | I looked into it in the US a while back, and you had to pay with a proper credit card or else sign up with some personal information |
| 01:42.51 | unixSnob | well there are some ways to get an anonymous GSM outside the US, but it's not straight forward |
| 01:42.56 | unixSnob | I don't recall the details |
| 01:43.01 | KotCzarny | but as long you don't leave any traces it can be treated as anonymous |
| 01:43.03 | KotCzarny | and disposable |
| 01:43.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:43.16 | elb | outside the US, I've dealt with phones in several countries, and in most cases you have to have a passport or other form of semi-permanent ID |
| 01:43.17 | KotCzarny | elb: pay with cash |
| 01:43.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:43.24 | elb | (alien registration, for example, in japan) |
| 01:43.33 | elb | KotCzarny: yes, but then you have to provide personal information, as I said |
| 01:43.39 | elb | at least with the providers I looked at |
| 01:43.40 | KotCzarny | do i? |
| 01:43.56 | unixSnob | I think it's a matter of getting a GSM sim chip that's activated.. very difficult to do anonymously, but other countries will enable you to order online.. I think that's how it works. |
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| 01:44.09 | KotCzarny | my sim is registered to 'john doe customer' |
| 01:44.10 | elb | basically they required a credit check, even if you prepaid -- you just don't have to *pass* it |
| 01:44.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:44.16 | elb | KotCzarny: nice |
| 01:44.24 | KotCzarny | elb, t-mobile |
| 01:44.26 | elb | what carrier? |
| 01:44.38 | elb | ahh t-mobile prepaid wasn't available in the area I checked in |
| 01:44.48 | elb | (the network is there, but you have to go somewhere else to get teh phone) |
| 01:44.52 | KotCzarny | i didn't really liked att |
| 01:44.57 | KotCzarny | and verizon used cdma |
| 01:45.04 | elb | we had go phone, whatever the Sprint one was, and US Cellular |
| 01:45.16 | KotCzarny | so i went with tmob |
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| 01:45.27 | KotCzarny | not that i'm happy about pricing, but it works |
| 01:46.06 | unixSnob | what's the pricing? |
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| 01:46.25 | KotCzarny | ~16c/min incoming/outgoing |
| 01:46.36 | KotCzarny | and no free minutes at all |
| 01:46.40 | unixSnob | in the US? |
| 01:46.44 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 01:46.52 | elb | that's rape |
| 01:46.55 | KotCzarny | quite |
| 01:46.57 | elb | well, unless you don't hardly use it |
| 01:47.00 | KotCzarny | but for me it's ok |
| 01:47.03 | elb | in which case it's probably still cheaper than a monthly plan |
| 01:47.08 | KotCzarny | i don't talk that much |
| 01:47.11 | unixSnob | I pay $50/month flat, unlimited |
| 01:47.15 | unixSnob | and no contract |
| 01:47.23 | KotCzarny | so any monthly plan would take MORE for me |
| 01:47.36 | KotCzarny | ie, i use 25$ for ~6months |
| 01:47.38 | KotCzarny | roughly |
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| 01:48.35 | unixSnob | what about internet on your NIT? |
| 01:48.42 | KotCzarny | wlan |
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| 01:48.53 | unixSnob | so it only works at home and hotspots? |
| 01:48.59 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 01:49.17 | KotCzarny | but you have hotspots everywhere |
| 01:49.30 | KotCzarny | and if there's no free/open ones you can go to starbucks |
| 01:49.33 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 01:49.44 | Ziegler | Subway |
| 01:50.22 | unixSnob | Well, don't have home ISP service.. just EVDO for $50/mo |
| 01:50.34 | KotCzarny | i'm cheap |
| 01:50.37 | KotCzarny | 20$ dsl |
| 01:50.37 | unixSnob | but coverage is spotless, almost |
| 01:50.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | $20 "non-tethering" "unlimited" from AT&T for the NIT |
| 01:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | 3g |
| 01:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | Works really nicely. |
| 01:50.47 | unixSnob | really? |
| 01:51.13 | unixSnob | wow.. the best price I've heard so far has been $30 for SERO |
| 01:51.26 | unixSnob | is that a 1 yr contract? |
| 01:51.44 | KotCzarny | knowing att it's 2-3years |
| 01:51.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:51.54 | Ziegler | $12 / mo no contract dsl here |
| 01:52.05 | unixSnob | that would blow it.. Millenicom is month to month |
| 01:52.09 | Ziegler | Well.... 12.99 |
| 01:52.15 | KotCzarny | ziegler + tax ? |
| 01:52.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:52.30 | Ziegler | Nope |
| 01:52.48 | unixSnob | but $20 for att 3g unlimited is great for folks who know they can be locked in.. I'll have to mention that to a buddy |
| 01:53.27 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: what pings you have on evdo? |
| 01:53.36 | KotCzarny | fe. google.com etc |
| 01:54.04 | unixSnob | i know I get 156 ms from indiana to the east coast (battlenet) |
| 01:54.08 | unixSnob | I'll check google |
| 01:54.38 | lcuk | main color: turn on :) |
| 01:54.53 | KotCzarny | lcuk: shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 01:54.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:55.00 | unixSnob | $ ping google.com |
| 01:55.00 | unixSnob | PING google.com (64.233.187.99): 56 data bytes |
| 01:55.00 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=235 time=122.710 ms |
| 01:55.00 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=235 time=139.183 ms |
| 01:55.00 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=235 time=110.751 ms |
| 01:55.03 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=235 time=111.732 ms |
| 01:55.05 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=235 time=105.947 ms |
| 01:55.07 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=235 time=170.369 ms |
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| 01:55.08 | lcuk | sleep? after the night i have had |
| 01:55.09 | unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=235 time=111.807 ms |
| 01:55.12 | KotCzarny | unixsnob 1 is enough |
| 01:55.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:55.32 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it's 3am in .de :) |
| 01:55.35 | KotCzarny | well, 4 |
| 01:55.37 | unixSnob | well, with evdo, spikes are common |
| 01:55.52 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: nice |
| 01:55.54 | elb | that's pretty good latency for cellular |
| 01:56.10 | unixSnob | there might be a frequent periodic 500ms ping.. so that's a neussance |
| 01:56.23 | unixSnob | (i meant an unfavorable spike) |
| 01:56.24 | elb | KotCzarny: AT&T doesn't reduce plan prices by contract |
| 01:56.59 | elb | yeah, but that's way better than the old 1xRTT I used to use on Sprint |
| 01:57.12 | unixSnob | Also, my evdo connection is inconsistent. If a lot of users are hitting my tower, VOIP becomes useless |
| 01:57.20 | elb | I had latency all over the map, from about 100ms to about 2s |
| 01:57.27 | lcuk | and also in uk |
| 01:57.29 | unixSnob | so latency is poor at peak times |
| 01:57.48 | KotCzarny | lcuk: isn't uk gmt+0 ? |
| 01:57.51 | unixSnob | yeah, much better than 1xRTT |
| 01:58.14 | unixSnob | If I'm out in the sticks, my connection drops to 1xRTT |
| 01:58.15 | elb | there's no excuse for cellular data to be so friggin' expensive |
| 01:58.27 | elb | back when I had 1xRTT ... it's what there was ;-) |
| 01:58.28 | lcuk | would assume so since greenwich is in uk... |
| 01:58.41 | KotCzarny | lcuk: :) |
| 01:58.49 | elb | I paid $10/mo unlimited data |
| 01:58.56 | KotCzarny | so it's 3am |
| 01:59.00 | lcuk | you in your hidey hole? |
| 01:59.01 | elb | back before they figured out they could rape people for it, I guess |
| 01:59.04 | KotCzarny | elb: wow, for a cellular data? |
| 01:59.08 | unixSnob | elb, you paid that for 1xrtt? |
| 01:59.12 | elb | I did |
| 01:59.22 | elb | in about 2001 or 2002 |
| 01:59.24 | unixSnob | that's a very good price for 1XRTT |
| 01:59.35 | unixSnob | what provider? |
| 01:59.42 | KotCzarny | can you get only cellular plan? |
| 01:59.43 | elb | Sprint |
| 01:59.49 | elb | who I no longer carry because they suck ass |
| 01:59.50 | KotCzarny | i mean data plan |
| 01:59.57 | unixSnob | That had to be an employee plan, right? |
| 02:00.01 | elb | at that time you couldn't, I don't think |
| 02:00.05 | elb | no, it was a regular subscriber plan |
| 02:00.20 | elb | I mean, I paid $40/mo for the voice line that went with it or something |
| 02:00.26 | elb | but $10/mo additional for unlimited data |
| 02:00.31 | elb | I tethered my laptop to it and everything |
| 02:00.33 | unixSnob | ah, it was bundled.. that explains it |
| 02:00.35 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 02:00.40 | KotCzarny | i would love data only plan |
| 02:00.53 | unixSnob | That's what millenicom is |
| 02:01.04 | KotCzarny | googles |
| 02:01.30 | unixSnob | The $50/month would turn you off though |
| 02:01.46 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 02:01.50 | unixSnob | It's 50/mo. for unlimited data, contract free, data only |
| 02:02.05 | KotCzarny | 10$/mon for data only would suit me very well |
| 02:02.05 | unixSnob | (it uses the sprint network) |
| 02:02.12 | KotCzarny | even for 256kbit or something |
| 02:02.16 | elb | the sprint network is nice |
| 02:02.30 | elb | if you don't have to deal with Sprint, that is |
| 02:02.43 | unixSnob | Yeah, that's what's nice about millenicom |
| 02:03.06 | unixSnob | They have good tech support, and because it's subcontracted through them, they don't require a contract to users |
| 02:03.39 | unixSnob | i only have to talk to sprint if I have some obscure problem millenicom can't solve |
| 02:04.12 | unixSnob | (like when I tried to hack the modem to use a closer hub) |
| 02:05.10 | lcuk | pupnik_, are you still knocking about? |
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| 02:08.09 | yllus | Any DNS zone file gurus about? |
| 02:08.22 | yllus | I can't get a NS record to resolve for the life of me. Gah. |
| 02:09.05 | yllus | The details: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=36&threadid=2175891&enterthread=y |
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| 02:45.48 | bigpig | if I had a virtual keyboard file, would someone do whatever is needed to make it usable for me? |
| 02:49.08 | Ziegler | Hehe |
| 02:49.26 | Ziegler | "Useable" you say |
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| 02:58.38 | johnx | bigpig, what exactly are you trying to do with the virtual keyboard? |
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| 03:04.59 | bigpig | I would like a Fitaly virtual keyboard on my n810. Since Textware Solutions isn't interested in the Nokia tablets as of yet, those of us who would love to pay for their product have to fend for ourselves. |
| 03:05.27 | bigpig | someone has developed the map, but the documentation at maemo.org is so incomplete that he is unable to complete the task. |
| 03:06.20 | bigpig | Ziegler, is creating a new virtual keyboard something that has turned out to be very difficult? |
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| 03:48.32 | pupnik_ | hello bigpig |
| 03:49.38 | yllus | For the record, pupnik, you rock. |
| 03:49.43 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:49.55 | KotCzarny | puprocknik |
| 03:50.08 | pupnik_ | thanks yllus |
| 03:50.08 | yllus | pupnick? |
| 03:50.17 | yllus | pupnock. |
| 03:50.19 | KotCzarny | puprock ? |
| 03:50.25 | pupnik | pop rocks! |
| 03:50.33 | KotCzarny | popnik? |
| 03:50.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:51.36 | bigpig | hello, pupnik |
| 03:51.55 | yllus | lol, there's a Netrek client for the tablet? |
| 03:52.06 | yllus | good lord, I was playing that game back in 1997. |
| 03:52.31 | pupnik | yes i've played a couple of games. it is a piece of computing history. i first played it in 1981 on the Control Data Plato online system |
| 03:52.54 | yllus | Damn good game, especially for its time. |
| 03:52.58 | pupnik | i was 11 years old at the time, and i could not sleep |
| 03:53.02 | pupnik | "this is the future!" |
| 03:53.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:53.17 | yllus | I remember making Admiral and what an accomplishment that was, because then I could spawn as a base. |
| 03:53.39 | pupnik | it would be fantastic if you could provide some experienced feedback into usability |
| 03:54.05 | pupnik | but large changes take a lot of time |
| 03:54.15 | pupnik | so right now it's difficult to play |
| 03:54.33 | yllus | Is there a project home page? The link on your site is to a JPEG |
| 03:54.54 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netrek |
| 03:55.02 | KotCzarny | links at the bottom |
| 03:55.05 | pupnik | (bigpig, i am not familiar with the hildon virtual keyboard, but xkbd / xvkbd are available) |
| 03:55.05 | KotCzarny | as always |
| 03:55.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:55.42 | yllus | oh jesus. My Netrek page is still up. 99.232.139.210 |
| 03:55.43 | yllus | er |
| 03:55.47 | yllus | http://members.tripod.com/~netrek/ |
| 03:56.00 | yllus | Last updated: 13/11/97 |
| 03:56.01 | yllus | snorts |
| 03:56.03 | pupnik | nice |
| 03:56.30 | pupnik | yeah this is pretty much straight COW |
| 03:58.12 | yllus | I am going to have to take on some projects. Learn some *nix, put my Python knowledge to use. |
| 03:58.13 | pupnik | "Players have to mentally track "built up" time, estimating how far and in what direction ships and torpedoes have moved since the last screen replot." |
| 03:58.23 | pupnik | hah good old times |
| 03:58.31 | pupnik | yes it's so fun |
| 03:58.46 | pupnik | mypaint could use some python skill |
| 03:58.53 | yllus | I imagine the game could use voice chat |
| 03:59.05 | pupnik | true |
| 03:59.50 | yllus | I was thinking that I might write a good picture frame app that auto-rotates through images, given a XML photofeed |
| 04:00.15 | yllus | But Quiver is so close that I feel like I shouldn't bother |
| 04:00.27 | KotCzarny | yllus, have you seen canola2 ? |
| 04:00.44 | yllus | Yeah, but sadly it doesn't run on my beloved 770 with IT2006 |
| 04:00.49 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 04:01.01 | pupnik | 770 forevah! |
| 04:01.05 | KotCzarny | it has one nice picture browser |
| 04:01.23 | yllus | Yeah, I heard :( But I like my IT2006 setup too much to go HE |
| 04:01.34 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:01.45 | KotCzarny | buy a second! |
| 04:01.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:02.01 | yllus | haha, I'll get a N800 soonish |
| 04:02.33 | yllus | It's sad that the tablets aren't more newbie friendly. So damn versatile. |
| 04:02.50 | KotCzarny | they aren't? |
| 04:03.02 | KotCzarny | i think they were pretty straightforward |
| 04:03.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:03.26 | yllus | My g/f was about to pitch it across the room when I first gave it to her |
| 04:03.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:03.40 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 04:03.41 | lcuk | so was mine - give her munptyphysics and she will love it |
| 04:03.42 | pupnik | yllus: you got a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 04:03.51 | lcuk | numptyphysics |
| 04:03.55 | yllus | Yeah, I have a wonderful ThinkOutside Stowaway |
| 04:04.06 | pupnik | ++ |
| 04:04.08 | yllus | She fell in love with Maemo Mapper later anyways |
| 04:04.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:04.24 | lcuk | kot - the problem, can i create a mountpoint for the ftp location, then the script can just send to that? |
| 04:04.35 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 04:04.36 | pupnik | i will make a netrek package for you soon |
| 04:04.42 | KotCzarny | just change wput to cp |
| 04:04.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:04.44 | yllus | nice |
| 04:04.47 | lopz | bye |
| 04:05.04 | KotCzarny | i mean comment out wput line and create cp line |
| 04:05.07 | lcuk | would that actually work? |
| 04:05.25 | lcuk | was winging it - i just rememebered in the shower someone has done it |
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| 04:05.28 | KotCzarny | i assume you mount ftp dir in vmware, yes? |
| 04:05.45 | lcuk | not yet i havent |
| 04:05.50 | lcuk | i wouldnt know where to begin |
| 04:06.00 | lcuk | hasnt mounted any electronic equipment |
| 04:06.06 | KotCzarny | install sshd for windows |
| 04:06.06 | lcuk | pupnik |
| 04:06.12 | KotCzarny | then you could use sshfs |
| 04:06.14 | KotCzarny | both ways |
| 04:06.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:06.42 | KotCzarny | or scp |
| 04:06.45 | lcuk | but if this ends up being proper ftp then i may not be able to install anything |
| 04:07.13 | KotCzarny | ok, let's start over, what do you want to mount and where |
| 04:07.25 | pupnik | what? |
| 04:07.31 | lcuk | i want somewhere in linux filesystem to point at a remote ftp server |
| 04:07.44 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:07.46 | lcuk | i have a little proposition for you.. |
| 04:07.49 | johnx | fuse+ftpfs should do it |
| 04:07.49 | KotCzarny | some kind of ftpfs |
| 04:08.05 | johnx | I don't remember the real name though, let me find it... |
| 04:08.30 | pupnik | nfs works out of the box |
| 04:08.38 | lcuk | LUFS is a hybrid userspace filesystem framework supporting many "exotic" filesystems (localfs, sshfs, ftpfs, gnutellafs, locasefs, gvfs, cardfs, cefs, etc. ). |
| 04:08.38 | KotCzarny | for windows? |
| 04:08.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:08.45 | lcuk | no - needed for linux |
| 04:08.56 | KotCzarny | that was to pupnik |
| 04:08.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:09.00 | pupnik | ok |
| 04:09.19 | lcuk | isnt nfs part of linux? is wasnt pupnik right? |
| 04:09.26 | lcuk | is pretty confused right about now |
| 04:09.26 | johnx | lcuk, can you install ssh on this remote ftp server? or are you stuck with just ftp? |
| 04:09.30 | KotCzarny | nfs is for *nix |
| 04:09.57 | johnx | lufs is the old thing, fuse is the new thing |
| 04:10.05 | lcuk | im going to assume stuck with ftp - at this moment the ftp is running on this windows box, but tomorrow that will likely change |
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| 04:10.37 | johnx | alright, curlftpfs for fuse is probably what you want/need |
| 04:10.57 | lcuk | the box it will likely end up on will not allow me to run my own programs (i would be scared to its our webserver) |
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| 04:11.19 | opendeep | hai |
| 04:11.41 | pupnik | shark! |
| 04:12.07 | opendeep | hi X_Fade_ |
| 04:12.08 | KotCzarny | lcuk: does this webserver run php? |
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| 04:12.44 | KotCzarny | if yes, upload applet is easy |
| 04:12.51 | lcuk | no. and im not gonna do anything to it. if i get some space i'll use it as given |
| 04:13.05 | Navi | Heh |
| 04:13.16 | Navi | I'd never go with a webhost/server that doesn't have ssh access |
| 04:13.22 | lcuk | its simplest all round - i would have to explain why and what for anything other than "can you up my account" |
| 04:13.25 | Navi | at least, if I were paying for it |
| 04:14.00 | lcuk | (there is the other thing of me remembering all this lot when i get in and ive got bigger fish to fry tomorrow :) |
| 04:14.02 | KotCzarny | lcuk, everything is doable |
| 04:14.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:14.31 | Navi | I like fish |
| 04:14.39 | Navi | Not a fan of fried fish though |
| 04:14.42 | lcuk | ive gotta tell my boss that i know we are busy but something quite good has cropped up and its that linux thing i keep going on about. |
| 04:15.14 | johnx | well, there are fuse packages here: http://nakkiboso.com/maemofuse/ but curlftpfs isn't built |
| 04:15.21 | johnx | I might have a look at it, but no promises |
| 04:15.25 | lcuk | i got curl :) sudo apt-get install curlftpfs |
| 04:15.36 | johnx | aaah, this isn't from the tablet? |
| 04:15.39 | johnx | aaaah...I see |
| 04:16.23 | lcuk | no, this is the vmware box - kot has very nicely built me a script to allow me a quick dirty nightly backup from deep within the vmware onto somewhere we a couple of us can take a peek |
| 04:16.56 | lcuk | jeeesus i havent done an all nighter since college |
| 04:17.01 | johnx | nevermind, super easy then, curlftpfs user@ftp.example.com empty/local/dir |
| 04:17.28 | lcuk | and is that needed on every login? |
| 04:17.38 | johnx | nope, just until you unmount it |
| 04:17.39 | KotCzarny | on every mount |
| 04:17.56 | lcuk | ahhh so it will stay over a reboot? |
| 04:18.01 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:18.04 | johnx | nope, not over a reboot |
| 04:18.04 | lcuk | phew! |
| 04:18.07 | johnx | until a reboot |
| 04:18.09 | lcuk | dang! |
| 04:18.19 | lcuk | you build me up, then knock me down |
| 04:18.26 | KotCzarny | i think you can add it to /etc/fstab |
| 04:18.33 | johnx | just bring it up again. It's scriptable. |
| 04:18.56 | lcuk | but i'm forgetful. i'll curse it everytime its been restarted |
| 04:19.01 | KotCzarny | not this particular line, but mount point in general |
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| 04:19.11 | KotCzarny | lcuk: rc.local |
| 04:19.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:19.26 | johnx | add it to the script, pseudocode: if foo is not mounted ; mount foo ; proceed |
| 04:20.51 | lcuk | lol but that mount line involves an ftp password which because of the script location will end up being inserted into the archive and uploaded... |
| 04:20.58 | lcuk | its just forgetful to leave it in there |
| 04:21.20 | johnx | but anyone who is on your ftp server already put in the password to get there, right? |
| 04:21.46 | johnx | it's like locking the key to your house inside your house... |
| 04:21.49 | lcuk | yes, but all it takes is one slip and the wrong folder goes public |
| 04:21.58 | johnx | fair enough |
| 04:22.11 | johnx | do it in rc.local then |
| 04:22.12 | lcuk | i am expecting to move binaries out fairly often |
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| 04:22.17 | KotCzarny | lcuk: why the script location will be inserted in archive? |
| 04:22.30 | KotCzarny | you can make independent script |
| 04:22.40 | KotCzarny | that will live in some other place |
| 04:22.45 | KotCzarny | and you will only call it by name |
| 04:23.04 | lcuk | lol - this little script has got middle aged spread! and its only an hour old :P |
| 04:23.13 | lcuk | feature creep! |
| 04:23.30 | KotCzarny | scripts come and go |
| 04:23.33 | KotCzarny | on demand |
| 04:23.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:23.56 | johnx | /etc/rc.local is where this stuff tends to go on a Unix system |
| 04:23.58 | lcuk | have you ever read any Larry Niven books? |
| 04:24.07 | KotCzarny | haven't |
| 04:24.21 | johnx | has read Ringworld and most of his short stories... |
| 04:24.28 | lcuk | ok, so ill get it working and tested singly - then if it works move it into /etc/rc.local |
| 04:24.38 | johnx | sounds like a plan |
| 04:24.43 | lcuk | johnx, have you read the mote in gods eye |
| 04:24.54 | johnx | errr...let me think |
| 04:25.02 | johnx | it's been a while |
| 04:25.15 | lcuk | moties - aliens who build everything on demand and reprogram physically |
| 04:25.24 | lcuk | sounds just like KotCzarnys scripts :) |
| 04:25.37 | johnx | nope, haven't read it |
| 04:25.41 | johnx | do you recommend it? |
| 04:25.58 | lcuk | absolutely |
| 04:26.07 | johnx | I think I have it somewhere around here O_o I'll have to look for it later |
| 04:26.11 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God's_Eye |
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| 04:26.39 | johnx | doesn't like to have anything spoiled before he reads the book |
| 04:26.39 | dick-richardson | can you do keyboard shortcuts? |
| 04:27.04 | lcuk | personally? or in the system in general? |
| 04:27.04 | johnx | I can do keyboard shortcuts |
| 04:27.43 | dick-richardson | lcuk: system in general |
| 04:28.19 | KotCzarny | Robert A. Heinlein, who gave the authors extensive, detailed advice on the novel, blurbed the story as "possibly the finest science fiction novel I have ever read". |
| 04:28.26 | KotCzarny | sounds like a recommendation |
| 04:28.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:28.50 | dick-richardson | ringing endorsement |
| 04:29.56 | KotCzarny | maybe i should read it too |
| 04:30.11 | KotCzarny | i have library 50m from my apartment |
| 04:30.31 | KotCzarny | and i have never been there, yet |
| 04:30.41 | dick-richardson | My wife works at the local library here. every now and then random books show up on my desk |
| 04:30.53 | KotCzarny | good wife |
| 04:30.57 | KotCzarny | good books? |
| 04:30.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:31.01 | dick-richardson | "Oh, did i check this out?" |
| 04:31.08 | dick-richardson | "yes, you did" |
| 04:31.15 | dick-richardson | yeah, generally they are |
| 04:31.27 | johnx | so, dick-richardson, what are you trying to use a keyboard shortcut for? |
| 04:31.35 | dick-richardson | my webmail password |
| 04:31.51 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 04:31.56 | KotCzarny | use firefox? |
| 04:31.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:32.02 | rm_you | johnx: hi :P |
| 04:32.02 | johnx | so you want to hit (for example) ctrl+p and have it key in your password? |
| 04:32.06 | johnx | hey rm_you :D |
| 04:32.11 | dick-richardson | you got it |
| 04:32.38 | johnx | hmm, and the built-in microb "remember this password" thing isn't working for you? |
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| 04:33.00 | dick-richardson | I'm trying a little security through obscurity |
| 04:33.21 | dick-richardson | it works alright, but I'm not using it |
| 04:33.56 | KotCzarny | security through obscurity isn't recommended.. |
| 04:34.00 | johnx | ah ok. you're probably better off just using the "remember password" thing though. That way you don't have random "sensitive" files scattered all over the system... |
| 04:34.15 | johnx | also, it would be somewhat difficult to do something like that. |
| 04:34.31 | johnx | What would you describe your "comfort level" with the command line and a cross compiler as? |
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| 04:35.13 | dick-richardson | fairly good |
| 04:35.37 | dick-richardson | which means I'm very comfortable, but probably shouldn't be :P |
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| 04:36.11 | johnx | alright, you'll probably need to compile yourself some app which sits in the background and listens for that key combo, then spits out some text |
| 04:36.29 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:36.34 | KotCzarny | osk can help |
| 04:36.59 | KotCzarny | xkbd/xvkbd has an option for strings too |
| 04:37.18 | KotCzarny | so making a simple layout with one button should work |
| 04:37.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:37.47 | lcuk | or notices you have drawn an X and placed thumb over it |
| 04:37.51 | johnx | kind of the opposite of obscure |
| 04:38.03 | lcuk | security through flashy login script |
| 04:38.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:38.19 | johnx | :D security through "movie-style" special effects |
| 04:38.20 | dick-richardson | lol! |
| 04:38.43 | KotCzarny | 'please cough three times' |
| 04:38.48 | lcuk | yer, we can simulate a fingerprint scanner |
| 04:38.54 | lcuk | no1 would know and it would be way cool |
| 04:39.17 | johnx | heh...place a random thumb here: approved! |
| 04:39.34 | lcuk | actually detect pressure patterns but dont tell n00b that ;) |
| 04:39.40 | johnx | (hint: doesn't have to be your thumb. In an emergency, any thumb shaped object can be used.) |
| 04:39.47 | KotCzarny | 'now press your forehead firmly to the screen' |
| 04:39.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:39.54 | lcuk | so when you do it it says "LOGIN ACCEPTED" but when they try it it doesnt |
| 04:39.58 | johnx | ...for the brain scan |
| 04:39.58 | lcuk | PMSL |
| 04:40.07 | KotCzarny | pms? |
| 04:40.12 | lcuk | pissing myself.. |
| 04:40.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:40.23 | lcuk | i nearly woke missus up |
| 04:40.24 | KotCzarny | close to pms |
| 04:40.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:40.29 | lcuk | jees this has been a while |
| 04:40.59 | dick-richardson | I'm still stuck on the "thumb shaped object" criteria |
| 04:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | I want video game challenges as a login method. |
| 04:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | Land this 747! |
| 04:42.00 | dick-richardson | Well, we couldn't get into the device, but then Jim got real excited by the technology and what do you know! |
| 04:42.56 | KotCzarny | and the thing is to bang the rocks together guys! |
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| 04:43.51 | dick-richardson | you know...just having the system remember the password w/o that last character is what i'm looking for |
| 04:44.12 | lcuk | lol @ steering convo back on topic |
| 04:44.25 | johnx | that would be a lot more secure then storing in plain-text...I kinda like that idea :) |
| 04:44.26 | lcuk | then just do it without last letter and say yes to remembering |
| 04:44.41 | dick-richardson | yep |
| 04:44.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk, but later it will remember proper pass |
| 04:44.52 | KotCzarny | it uses last entered one |
| 04:44.58 | lcuk | no, later it will ask and you can say no feck off |
| 04:45.13 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 04:45.15 | lcuk | firefox or micrapola? |
| 04:45.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:45.35 | dick-richardson | option 2 |
| 04:45.35 | lcuk | we have multiple gmail accounts and one is defaulted, the rest are set as dont remember |
| 04:46.02 | lcuk | i havent tried logging in from the device |
| 04:46.11 | lcuk | and i would never leave any of the passwords in :S |
| 04:46.32 | lcuk | since the whole device is unsecure its open to abuse. |
| 04:46.42 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:46.48 | KotCzarny | that's true |
| 04:46.51 | dick-richardson | it does remember the last one used :( |
| 04:46.52 | lcuk | (why havent we got password protection for the device?) |
| 04:47.02 | dick-richardson | truecrypt was made for this thing |
| 04:47.12 | KotCzarny | good idea |
| 04:47.20 | KotCzarny | initfs is there anyway |
| 04:47.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, locking? |
| 04:47.35 | KotCzarny | the only problem is to fit it there |
| 04:47.37 | lcuk | can it open locked though? |
| 04:47.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:47.45 | lcuk | as in reboot and auto lock |
| 04:47.50 | KotCzarny | lcuk: probably |
| 04:47.59 | lcuk | then that will do it |
| 04:48.01 | KotCzarny | if not sdk is there |
| 04:48.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | Once you lock it, it stays locked until you unlock it. |
| 04:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | Even if you flash it. |
| 04:48.34 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:48.45 | lcuk | stops casual ppl - like i was saying about any security app, the chances that a crook would actually know specifically to re-flash this device immediately makes me want to just upload a picture everytime it is booted or the keyboard slides open |
| 04:48.49 | dick-richardson | are you talking about the hardware switch? |
| 04:48.50 | KotCzarny | another method of unlocking: 'draw a flower to proceed' |
| 04:48.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:49.01 | lcuk | ooooh GeneralAntilles i didnt know that.. |
| 04:49.08 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Press the power button |
| 04:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | "Lock device" |
| 04:49.40 | dick-richardson | what do you know\ |
| 04:49.41 | lcuk | awww why cant we slide like the posh kids? |
| 04:49.49 | dick-richardson | what's the default code? |
| 04:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | 12345 |
| 04:50.15 | lcuk | this is from the menu that comes up on power isnt it |
| 04:50.15 | KotCzarny | lcuk, we have sdk |
| 04:50.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:50.34 | dick-richardson | I must have found it and changed it already |
| 04:51.03 | dick-richardson | alcohol was probably involved |
| 04:51.16 | lcuk | that menu is designed all wrong. when you are putting it away you dont want to fiddle and have to aim for a tiny dot. selectors should be big and finger friendly |
| 04:51.25 | lcuk | so now your device is locked? |
| 04:51.28 | lcuk | forever? |
| 04:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's what the dpad is for, lcuk. :P |
| 04:51.34 | lcuk | or until you find the combination |
| 04:51.44 | GeneralAntilles | But your device sucks ass, and it has the dpad in exactly the wrong spot. ;) |
| 04:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | It requires you to enter the lock to lock it. |
| 04:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | s/lock/code/ |
| 04:52.03 | lcuk | ok, power button slide down down down dpad. instead of power button BOOM! |
| 04:52.12 | dick-richardson | it's my ssn...wow was that stupid |
| 04:52.41 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 04:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 04:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | That's how I memorized mine. |
| 04:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Used it as a local password for a few weeks. |
| 04:53.33 | lcuk | SSN == National Insurance # ?? |
| 04:53.42 | dick-richardson | I'll use my wife's |
| 04:53.42 | KotCzarny | kind of |
| 04:53.45 | KotCzarny | lol2 |
| 04:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number |
| 04:54.01 | lcuk | ours are combination letters and numbers and ive known it since i was 15 |
| 04:54.15 | KotCzarny | we are numbers |
| 04:54.20 | GeneralAntilles | Your serial number. <_< |
| 04:54.21 | dick-richardson | can you change the sliding lock to lock the device? |
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| 04:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, if so, it'd be in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 04:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't think so at the moment. |
| 04:55.01 | lcuk | that would be a cool toy for the desktop - slide over the area to lock |
| 04:55.04 | dick-richardson | kk, thank you |
| 04:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | If not, you could always file an enhancement request on bugzilla. |
| 04:55.54 | KotCzarny | lcuk, have you doubled pixel size in drawing mode? |
| 04:56.14 | KotCzarny | and it's shadowy |
| 04:56.39 | lcuk | coloring.. |
| 04:56.50 | KotCzarny | yes, i enabled it |
| 04:56.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:57.17 | KotCzarny | or is it feature of yuv colorspace? |
| 04:57.24 | lcuk | yuv is 800*480 greyscale, 400*240 color information, its a halfway house (basically jpeg resolution) |
| 04:58.02 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 04:58.18 | lcuk | its more noticable than i would have liked on certain colors but its good enough for now. |
| 04:58.23 | KotCzarny | it will need some antialiasing then |
| 04:59.56 | lcuk | it depends upon which grey level it is at - the brighter it is, the clearer it shows |
| 05:00.04 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 05:00.25 | KotCzarny | but dark green is also very noticeable |
| 05:00.46 | lcuk | nods and its also the brightest color |
| 05:01.34 | KotCzarny | have you tried blurring? |
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| 05:02.02 | lcuk | ive not tried anything yet - i just put in the colored line routine and played for a while |
| 05:02.04 | KotCzarny | it would work better than plain half-brightness shadow |
| 05:02.31 | KotCzarny | (i guess) |
| 05:03.13 | lcuk | are you able to compile or just looking through? |
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| 05:03.19 | KotCzarny | compiled |
| 05:03.38 | KotCzarny | i don't read/compile/run in my head |
| 05:03.49 | KotCzarny | that ability would rock |
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| 05:04.10 | KotCzarny | i only needed to install sdl_ttf |
| 05:04.11 | lcuk | liqart.c line 175 holds the for now constant brightness of the grey. (you will note i tried a few of the things suggested) |
| 05:04.13 | dick-richardson | i wish modest would load inline html images...I can't see my daily dilbert :( |
| 05:04.17 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 05:04.24 | KotCzarny | that's what i have enabled |
| 05:09.19 | lcuk | is your touch still jumpy? |
| 05:09.26 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 05:09.37 | lcuk | thats when your light and gentle |
| 05:09.38 | KotCzarny | also drawing is slower |
| 05:09.55 | KotCzarny | i'm looking through the code where are you keeping pressure |
| 05:10.22 | lcuk | each stroke has a set of points. each point has an x/y/z |
| 05:10.25 | lcuk | z=pressure |
| 05:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | I thought that bug was fixed. |
| 05:10.29 | KotCzarny | k |
| 05:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Guess not. |
| 05:10.37 | GeneralAntilles | You up to date, dick-richardson? |
| 05:11.00 | lcuk | i think thats the last file thats #included inline |
| 05:11.01 | dick-richardson | I believe so |
| 05:11.06 | lcuk | all the rest have gone to proper exports |
| 05:16.50 | dick-richardson | time to call it an evening, take care all |
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| 05:53.08 | mbuf | what is the current price of the n810? |
| 05:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | ~$400USD |
| 05:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | +/- $50 USD depending on where you buy. |
| 05:54.34 | mbuf | GeneralAntilles, thanks |
| 05:55.07 | unixSnob | Someone frequently in this channel found an n810 for like $1k.. so that will scew your average a bit there AG |
| 05:55.41 | KotCzarny | heh.. someone |
| 05:55.49 | KotCzarny | i'm me, not just someone |
| 05:55.49 | unixSnob | was that you? |
| 05:56.21 | unixSnob | bows down to the great KotCzarny |
| 05:58.58 | unixSnob | surrenders his sword, and waits for KotCzarny to lop off his head |
| 05:59.06 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 05:59.11 | KotCzarny | it's late, go to sleep |
| 05:59.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:59.22 | unixSnob | yeah, 2am here |
| 05:59.26 | KotCzarny | and swords are dangerous |
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| 05:59.37 | KotCzarny | you should watch out where you put them |
| 05:59.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:00.00 | unixSnob | my swords are actually extremely dull |
| 06:00.04 | unixSnob | just for show |
| 06:00.14 | KotCzarny | dull weapons can hurt too |
| 06:00.31 | unixSnob | yeah, it's almost as dull as a bat |
| 06:00.40 | unixSnob | so I guess it would have the effect of a club |
| 06:00.57 | unixSnob | s/bat/baseball bat/ |
| 06:02.12 | unixSnob | guess i'll try some of this SallyD first |
| 06:03.00 | KotCzarny | get some for me too |
| 06:03.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:03.14 | unixSnob | are you in a state that permits it? |
| 06:03.16 | KotCzarny | it's about time for a therapy |
| 06:03.34 | KotCzarny | we can always go on a raft |
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| 06:20.57 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know how to install fennec? |
| 06:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's covered pretty well on the ITT forums. |
| 06:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | Not really worth the effort, though. |
| 06:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | Very unstable. |
| 06:22.08 | johnx | if you want to try an alternative browser give midori a shot |
| 06:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | Was midori every rebuilt to use the optimized webkit? |
| 06:22.44 | johnx | i dunno |
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| 06:22.52 | johnx | do you have a link to this "optimized webkit" |
| 06:22.59 | johnx | I'm in a hacking mood so maybe I'll give it a go |
| 06:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. |
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| 06:25.26 | johnx | looks like similar versions...I wonder if I can just tell midori to depend on a different library... |
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| 06:26.07 | EruditeHermit | midori is in extras? |
| 06:26.11 | Navi | No |
| 06:26.20 | johnx | errr...the other libwebkit is |
| 06:26.31 | johnx | midori is on itt |
| 06:26.31 | Navi | just install libwebkit |
| 06:26.53 | johnx | I imagine it and webkit that midori depends on will conflict |
| 06:26.56 | Navi | you don't have to specifically build midori against a webkit revision unless the API changed. |
| 06:27.17 | johnx | that's what I figured. I'll have a poke at midori's 'control' |
| 06:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad all the 3rd party browsers still suck. |
| 06:27.42 | Navi | not links :D |
| 06:27.47 | johnx | Midori has a lot of potential, Mr. Optimism |
| 06:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | Well, links. . . |
| 06:28.01 | EruditeHermit | johnx: can you point me to a link? |
| 06:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | You'd figure after 2 years there'd be some real progress, though. :P |
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| 06:28.35 | johnx | gtk-webkit wasn't there until recently |
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| 06:28.43 | Navi | hopes for an optimized MicroB in the next release |
| 06:28.44 | johnx | neither was firefox for ARM |
| 06:28.56 | KotCzarny | i wonder.. |
| 06:28.57 | johnx | EruditeHermit, search midori on itt, first result is: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18488&highlight=midori |
| 06:29.02 | KotCzarny | will there ever be ie for arm? |
| 06:29.03 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:29.21 | johnx | KotCzarny, get to work on your WinMo emulator :P |
| 06:29.39 | KotCzarny | i prefer playing with some nice code |
| 06:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect MicroB will be setting the bar quite high in Diablo. |
| 06:29.50 | KotCzarny | johnx, expect great things |
| 06:29.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:30.16 | johnx | I'll "wait and see" but I'm pretty happy with the direction webkit-gtk is going |
| 06:30.27 | Navi | uses it on the desktop |
| 06:30.30 | KotCzarny | nah, i'm talking about something else right now |
| 06:30.32 | Navi | Snappy stuff |
| 06:30.49 | johnx | it will get a lot more attention since it will be the html renderer of choice for gnome/gtk apps I think |
| 06:31.03 | Navi | shrugs |
| 06:31.14 | johnx | by attention I mean optimizations :) |
| 06:31.23 | Navi | webkitqt's included in the QT4 |
| 06:31.59 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody try the Qt demo app? |
| 06:32.01 | Navi | and webkitgtk's rapidly made improvements |
| 06:32.03 | johnx | is there a lightweight qt based browser built on webkit that *doesn't* suck in all of kde as a dependency? |
| 06:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's incredibly snappy. |
| 06:32.15 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:32.20 | KotCzarny | webkit is from apple? |
| 06:32.22 | Navi | johnx, doubt it |
| 06:32.26 | KotCzarny | or some independent project? |
| 06:32.36 | johnx | KotCzarny, from KDE originally, now Apple is a big contributor |
| 06:32.43 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 06:32.47 | KotCzarny | that's good |
| 06:32.48 | Navi | EETZ A FORQUE |
| 06:33.02 | johnx | eh? |
| 06:33.09 | Navi | khtml forke |
| 06:33.13 | Navi | s/forke/fork/ |
| 06:33.26 | KotCzarny | maybe some nice build script to statically compile in kde libs |
| 06:33.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:33.30 | johnx | aaah...I misinterpreted EETZ as "eats" |
| 06:33.43 | Navi | Pfft |
| 06:33.53 | johnx | I kind of pictured Navi with a fork stuck out of his mouth flailing at the keyboard |
| 06:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | That's how I always picture Navi. |
| 06:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, did you every figure out the top 3 things we need for Debian-maemo? |
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| 06:36.10 | johnx | I'm not sure what to put for that actually...I'm really torn |
| 06:37.12 | johnx | dsme/bme/dsp would sure be nice for Debian on N800 |
| 06:37.26 | EruditeHermit | I just wish the browsers were faster |
| 06:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo, EruditeHermit. |
| 06:37.50 | johnx | but to get Maemo stuff into Debian, the top couple deps that all Maemo packages have would be nice |
| 06:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB is a really old snapshot of Gecko 1.9. |
| 06:38.03 | GeneralAntilles | There've been HUGE speedups since the version we have. |
| 06:38.20 | EruditeHermit | yeah but I think they should make them available as they release |
| 06:38.32 | johnx | that's not Nokia's style :) |
| 06:38.34 | EruditeHermit | or atleast have the page on garage so that we can test stuff |
| 06:38.37 | GeneralAntilles | One more downfall of bundling software. |
| 06:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | You could build the svn. |
| 06:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | Though, apparently, it depends on bc-dev |
| 06:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | which doesn't actually exist anywhere. |
| 06:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, Diablo also means "over-the-air" updates |
| 06:39.36 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 06:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | so that decouples application updates from big firmware updates. |
| 06:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if that'll bring us back to the pre-OS2007 update frequency for MicroB |
| 06:40.00 | EruditeHermit | chinook was supposed to be that |
| 06:40.01 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 06:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | But it should improve things. |
| 06:40.10 | GeneralAntilles | No it wasn't. |
| 06:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo was always the one set for SSU. |
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| 06:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know where people keep getting that Chinook was supposed to have SSU |
| 06:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | but it's simply not true. |
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| 06:42.03 | EruditeHermit | wow I am using minefield on the tablet and it is so fast |
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| 06:42.15 | EruditeHermit | the rendering engine is so much better |
| 06:43.01 | Navi | Damn it |
| 06:43.22 | GeneralAntilles | Damn you |
| 06:43.31 | Navi | mypaint's freezing up the tablet |
| 06:43.44 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ok, thanks for the pointer to that better libwebkit. It seems to make a noticeable difference |
| 06:44.38 | Navi | prays that the N800 doesn't reboot |
| 06:45.06 | hrw | morning |
| 06:45.25 | johnx | tries the engadget torture test on midori |
| 06:45.44 | GeneralAntilles | There's more crud on that website than content. |
| 06:45.57 | johnx | yeah, but I like how snarky they are :) |
| 06:46.01 | Navi | I just use the bench that's on the webkit site. |
| 06:46.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | I like engadget |
| 06:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | But damn |
| 06:46.13 | johnx | plus, it's like a trial by fire for browser engines |
| 06:46.36 | johnx | and midori handles it great |
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| 06:46.46 | johnx | also, wide scroll bars rawk |
| 06:46.50 | Navi | :P |
| 06:47.02 | Navi | They take up screen real estate |
| 06:47.38 | johnx | let's see, "see more crappy ads on engadget" vs "be able to scroll with my thumb" |
| 06:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see what those kinetic scrolling patches actually mean for MicroB |
| 06:47.46 | johnx | hmm...tough choice |
| 06:47.55 | jaska | adblock pro works on microbrowser :) |
| 06:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | Bogs everything down. |
| 06:48.16 | KotCzarny | johnx: use junkbuster |
| 06:48.18 | KotCzarny | or privoxy |
| 06:48.19 | Navi | doesn't see ads |
| 06:48.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:48.24 | jaska | true.. i just cant browse with ads |
| 06:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | hosts/css is the way to go |
| 06:48.37 | jaska | disrupt my concentration |
| 06:48.48 | EruditeHermit | when is diablo coming? |
| 06:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | "Q2 2008" |
| 06:48.59 | Navi | When hell freezes over |
| 06:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | July at the latest. |
| 06:49.00 | jaska | could probably hosts-ify my desktop opera blacklist |
| 06:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | Pay attention to the Modest progress. |
| 06:49.12 | jaska | they should renamed diablo to saatana |
| 06:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | That's gonna be a decent metric for judging release. |
| 06:49.28 | GeneralAntilles | Trademark issue. |
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| 06:54.03 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, http://www.xenf.net/images/Navifork.png |
| 06:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 06:54.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 06:54.55 | johnx | :D |
| 06:55.53 | Navi | :P |
| 06:58.13 | Navi | How else do I type? I've no hands. |
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| 06:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | You should at some fairy boy until he types for you. |
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| 07:00.51 | Khertan_n810 | Hi ! |
| 07:00.56 | Navi | Hi |
| 07:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | s/should/shout/ |
| 07:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 07:01.54 | Khertan_n810 | I understand now why dev don t upload their packages to extras |
| 07:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | to beds! |
| 07:02.02 | Khertan_n810 | still no news ... |
| 07:02.04 | EruditeHermit | is there a way to get rid of unwanted libraries somewhat like how apt in debian or ubuntu handles unnecessary libs now |
| 07:02.29 | johnx | maybe get deborphan compiled? |
| 07:02.49 | EruditeHermit | yeah but I don't want to port it myself obviously =p |
| 07:03.03 | EruditeHermit | I'll do it eventually maybe |
| 07:03.03 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 07:03.28 | johnx | shouldn't be much of a port |
| 07:03.32 | johnx | just a compile |
| 07:05.27 | hrw | johnx: but 'porting' is so nice buzzyword... |
| 07:06.07 | EruditeHermit | midori is ok |
| 07:06.28 | johnx | it's obviously not finished but its *fast* |
| 07:06.33 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 07:06.38 | EruditeHermit | has some page rendering problems |
| 07:06.49 | EruditeHermit | and basic bugs for buttons and input |
| 07:06.56 | EruditeHermit | but its nice so far |
| 07:07.31 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
| 07:07.55 | EruditeHermit | wow I can't believe how slow microB is in comparison to all of these browsers |
| 07:08.36 | johnx | yeah :/ |
| 07:08.48 | johnx | thankfully there is nowhere it can go but up from here :) |
| 07:09.41 | EruditeHermit | it'd be nice if they updated flash with microB |
| 07:09.46 | EruditeHermit | do you think they'll do that? |
| 07:10.01 | johnx | no idea. is it just a minor version bump? |
| 07:10.09 | EruditeHermit | for flash? |
| 07:10.10 | EruditeHermit | yes |
| 07:10.23 | EruditeHermit | but it has some major fixes/feature updates |
| 07:10.28 | EruditeHermit | although its really slow |
| 07:10.28 | johnx | ah |
| 07:10.44 | EruditeHermit | major compatibility fixes with websites that require latest flash |
| 07:10.54 | EruditeHermit | but its slower than the older version on my desktop atleast =p |
| 07:11.01 | johnx | ick |
| 07:11.06 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 07:11.12 | johnx | "flash" and "slower than before" is always bad to hear |
| 07:11.14 | EruditeHermit | well the one on the tablet is 2 ago |
| 07:11.30 | EruditeHermit | the one 1 previous to the latest one is faster |
| 07:11.34 | johnx | I have it disabled on the tablet anyways |
| 07:11.35 | EruditeHermit | the new one is slowest |
| 07:11.37 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 07:11.56 | johnx | I use a youtube viewer and just don't worry about it otherwise |
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| 07:14.01 | EruditeHermit | well BBC has added flash videos |
| 07:14.30 | johnx | a good flash video extractor would be nice |
| 07:15.41 | EruditeHermit | I dislike flash for its slowness too |
| 07:16.04 | johnx | it's probably an flv so if it could be extracted you could just save and view with mplayer |
| 07:16.15 | rm_you | yarp |
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| 07:21.57 | EruditeHermit | ahh |
| 07:22.03 | EruditeHermit | i'm out of space |
| 07:22.17 | KotCzarny | hums prodigy's song |
| 07:24.18 | inz | Damn you, now it's playing in my head |
| 07:24.33 | hrw | ;)) |
| 07:25.01 | KotCzarny | maemo should play it in the background when detecting low disc space |
| 07:25.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:25.05 | KotCzarny | *disk |
| 07:25.25 | EruditeHermit | it would take up too much space |
| 07:25.27 | hrw | KotCzarny: disc contra disk? |
| 07:25.51 | KotCzarny | disc suggests something round |
| 07:25.51 | hrw | EruditeHermit: really? they willadd it as one of preinstalled songs |
| 07:26.02 | KotCzarny | i use flash memory nowadays |
| 07:26.08 | KotCzarny | almost exclusively |
| 07:26.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:27.29 | hrw | even with desktop? |
| 07:27.40 | KotCzarny | i don't use desktops |
| 07:27.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:27.47 | KotCzarny | but yes |
| 07:27.54 | hrw | ok - laptop used as desktop |
| 07:28.00 | KotCzarny | i have 40pin ata--cf adapter too |
| 07:28.14 | KotCzarny | in laptop i have 2x cf -- 44pin ata adapter |
| 07:28.15 | hrw | there are no 160GB cf cards yet |
| 07:28.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:28.22 | KotCzarny | but there are 32gb ones |
| 07:28.33 | KotCzarny | and that makes 64gb of flash storage possible |
| 07:28.39 | hrw | 32gb would be enough for my wife but not me |
| 07:28.54 | hrw | I use ~360GB of storage in desktop |
| 07:28.56 | KotCzarny | dvd ripper, eh? |
| 07:28.56 | hrw | brb |
| 07:28.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:29.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.04 | hrw | KotCzarny: lot of misc builds |
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| 07:29.58 | KotCzarny | still, i haven't said that i don't have regular hdds |
| 07:29.58 | KotCzarny | i have 320gb usb drive |
| 07:29.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:30.08 | KotCzarny | but only use it when i want to change my mp3/vid/sources list |
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| 07:52.53 | Khertan | Hi again ... |
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| 08:00.34 | mbuf | within a single maemo application, can we open mutiple windows, that can be minimized and maximized? or should we use tabs? |
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| 08:03.47 | mbuf | from where can i get the source of osso-xterm? |
| 08:03.59 | KotCzarny | apt-get source osso-xterm |
| 08:04.40 | mbuf | KotCzarny, checking it out from svn, thanks |
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| 08:14.06 | Khertan | mbuf > yes you can open multiple windows ... |
| 08:14.19 | Khertan | using tabs only eat space ... |
| 08:14.24 | Khertan | use it efficiently |
| 08:14.31 | mbuf | Khertan, so, if i want many applications to be opened from a single application, it is easier this way |
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| 08:14.53 | mbuf | Khertan, i just checked xterm and it neatly opens multiple instances |
| 08:15.14 | Khertan | xterm isn't a great example of what a great application should be ... |
| 08:15.25 | mbuf | Khertan, i see |
| 08:15.40 | Khertan | in fact xterm itos2007 was better than the last buggy version ... |
| 08:16.15 | mbuf | Khertan, i only want to see how to open new window with a new application |
| 08:16.40 | mbuf | brb |
| 08:17.01 | Khertan | hildon.Window() |
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| 08:23.56 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 08:26.23 | Jaffa | keeps getting unsubscribed from maemo mailing lists for "excessive bounces" with last bounce dated about 7 days ago. My mail server logs don't show any bounces. Anyone else getting this? |
| 08:26.35 | scibot | Hi guys, I have openssh-server running on my tablet but I can't seem to access it from my desktop. |
| 08:27.09 | scibot | It responds to ping, so it isn't that sort of connectivity issue. =/ |
| 08:27.12 | johnx | you get connection refused or your password doesn't work? |
| 08:27.23 | scibot | It doesn't connect at all. |
| 08:27.29 | scibot | No response from the server that I can tell. |
| 08:28.06 | scibot | The ssh client just sits there waiting for a response, but none comes. |
| 08:28.19 | johnx | how long have you let it sit? |
| 08:28.51 | johnx | you should either get "ssh 192.168.1.111" and you get "No route to host" or "connection refused" eventually, I would think... |
| 08:28.58 | johnx | have you tried nmap? |
| 08:29.53 | mbuf | it happens with dropbear as well onN810; most of the time it doesn't respond to ssh requests from the PC |
| 08:30.13 | mbuf | earlier in the N800, i was able to do maximum of 3 ssh connections only from the PC to the device |
| 08:30.52 | johnx | mbuf, when it doesn't respond to ssh, is it able to respond to pings? |
| 08:31.03 | scibot | Debug from the client - http://pasteall.org/389 |
| 08:31.03 | mbuf | johnx, yes |
| 08:31.23 | mbuf | johnx, if i restart dropbear, "/etc/init.d/dropbear restart"; then after few seconds it responds |
| 08:31.39 | mbuf | johnx, but, if the connection is inactive for a period of time, the ssh connection on Eterm on the PC just hangs |
| 08:32.05 | johnx | I've started having my ssh client on PC send keep-alives every 45 seconds with good effect |
| 08:32.37 | johnx | My connection to opensshd on my tablet used to die off after a while, but now it seems better |
| 08:32.43 | mbuf | johnx, i see |
| 08:33.00 | johnx | I don't know about dropbear though... |
| 08:33.12 | solmumaha | can the tablet access the net? setting UseDNS no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config could help with connecting |
| 08:34.38 | keesj | solmumaha: you mean the matrix? |
| 08:34.43 | scibot | I can access the net from the tablet, and I can access the ssh from the tablet itself ala. localhost. |
| 08:38.21 | scibot | solmumaha, Doesn't make a difference. |
| 08:38.51 | solmumaha | k |
| 08:39.54 | scibot | I don't get it though, it connects but why wont it continue past that point? |
| 08:40.10 | KotCzarny | ssh -v |
| 08:40.15 | KotCzarny | i mean ssh -d |
| 08:40.37 | scibot | ? |
| 08:40.44 | KotCzarny | debug flag |
| 08:40.55 | KotCzarny | you will see what it is doing |
| 08:41.09 | scibot | No such flag exists for my ssh client. |
| 08:41.17 | scibot | <scibot> Debug from the client - http://pasteall.org/389 |
| 08:41.27 | solmumaha | i had the same symptom when my dns servers were acting up and setting UseDNS no helps in that case |
| 08:41.40 | KotCzarny | erm, use pastebin.com |
| 08:41.44 | KotCzarny | it's nicer |
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| 08:41.59 | scibot | KotCzarny, It wasn't on my browser. =/ |
| 08:42.12 | KotCzarny | try more -v flags |
| 08:42.17 | KotCzarny | ie ssh -v -v -v |
| 08:42.37 | scibot | Same output |
| 08:43.01 | KotCzarny | .196 is some local machine other ? |
| 08:43.16 | scibot | Only additional line, debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 |
| 08:43.35 | KotCzarny | and solmumaha may be right |
| 08:43.58 | scibot | It's a semi-local machine, runs through a couple of routers that propogate the wireless signal further, but it responds to ping from the same spot I'm trying to use my ssh client from. |
| 08:44.19 | KotCzarny | it may be long dns resolve |
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| 08:44.39 | KotCzarny | on clinet or server side |
| 08:44.54 | scibot | I don't get how that's relevant when it has no problem connecting to the server? |
| 08:45.07 | scibot | The problem here is past the connection there doesn't seem to be much of a response. |
| 08:45.17 | KotCzarny | server tries to resolve client hostname |
| 08:45.20 | KotCzarny | for security reasons |
| 08:46.11 | KotCzarny | add your client's ip to the server's /etc/hosts file? |
| 08:46.49 | scibot | Can't, dynamic IP. |
| 08:46.49 | solmumaha | yes, did you remember to restart sshd after the change? |
| 08:46.57 | scibot | Of course. |
| 08:47.01 | solmumaha | k |
| 08:47.08 | KotCzarny | scibot, it's local ip |
| 08:47.33 | KotCzarny | just try adding it for a test |
| 08:47.48 | scibot | That's more complicated than you think it is. |
| 08:47.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:48.04 | KotCzarny | do you have local dns server? |
| 08:48.29 | scibot | I doubt it, but the router might. |
| 08:49.24 | solmumaha | you could also try running sshd on foreground with debug if it doesn't log on tablet |
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| 08:51.42 | scibot | "Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22" "socket: Address family not supported by protocol" |
| 08:54.19 | solmumaha | are you using ipv6? try -4 from client |
| 08:54.41 | KotCzarny | it's not critical.. |
| 08:54.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:56.31 | solmumaha | yes, but it doesn't hurt to rule it out |
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| 09:04.31 | scibot | ipv6 has only given me grief with debian. =/ |
| 09:06.13 | solmumaha | i hear you, blacklisting ipv6 is the first thing i do on fresh install |
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| 09:11.31 | scibot | I give up, not worth the effort of resolving it. |
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| 10:12.44 | lardman | morning |
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| 11:38.51 | jesh | hello |
| 11:39.05 | johnx | hi |
| 11:39.06 | jesh | i wrote a simple helloworld-style application with pygtk |
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| 11:39.32 | jesh | and tried to change background color for a one button |
| 11:39.42 | jesh | with rc-file |
| 11:39.59 | jesh | however, while changing font and foreground works, background doesn't |
| 11:40.01 | jesh | i wonder why? |
| 11:40.27 | jesh | i mean, background color stays white |
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| 11:55.40 | Mikho | a question: |
| 11:56.16 | Mikho | what is the right way to make it possible for the application to write to it's own data files? |
| 11:57.07 | Mikho | I have the app installed in /usr/share/<appname> but I just realized it can't create log files or modify its own conf file |
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| 11:58.31 | johnx | usually log files and user-specific conf goes into /home/user/.<your-app-name> |
| 11:58.50 | Mikho | if I don't want user-specific conf, but app-specific? |
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| 11:59.17 | johnx | well, generally anything that is changeable by the user at run-time is considered user specific conf |
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| 12:00.43 | Mikho | so there's really no good way for a program to modify its own data files? |
| 12:01.41 | Mikho | without making copies to every user's home directory |
| 12:02.35 | johnx | I think the "copy to $HOME" seems to be how most Unix programs handle it |
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| 12:02.57 | Mikho | I don't like the idea, but if there's no choice... |
| 12:03.13 | johnx | well, they're is always a choice... |
| 12:03.20 | johnx | I'm just saying how I've *seen* other apps do it |
| 12:03.31 | johnx | you could just make your data files world writeable |
| 12:03.38 | jesh | or group writeable |
| 12:03.53 | jesh | or make a setuid program to edit them |
| 12:04.21 | johnx | is 'user' in any groups by default, besides dialout, video and audio? |
| 12:04.45 | johnx | either way, you could add 'user' to a group and make the data file only editable by people in that group |
| 12:04.59 | Mikho | i see |
| 12:05.15 | johnx | it's all kind of acedemic as there is basically no way to add another user on the tablet |
| 12:05.37 | Mikho | oh, I didn't know that |
| 12:06.23 | johnx | Unless you're incredibly worried about Unix correctness, making your data files world-writeable and writeable by user only are pretty much the same thing on OS2008 |
| 12:06.56 | johnx | I don't see Nokia changing their "single user" approach any time soon, but I don't have any inside info, so I can't be sure |
| 12:07.13 | Mikho | ok |
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| 12:11.16 | Mikho | all right, how can I find out the home directory within a c program? |
| 12:13.04 | onion | Mikho: if you use glib: g_get_home_dir |
| 12:13.38 | opendeep | hello X_Fade_ |
| 12:13.55 | Mikho | ok, thanks |
| 12:15.28 | johnx | or if you don't use glib, getenv(), $HOME is the one you're interested in |
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| 12:16.31 | hrw | ~curse nokia |
| 12:16.32 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia ! |
| 12:16.51 | hrw | 2.6.18-omap1 works nice on 770 but no wifi |
| 12:18.16 | hrw | ssvb: ping |
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| 12:23.11 | ssvb | hrw: ack |
| 12:24.46 | hrw | ssvb: you hack cx3110x for 770 - right? |
| 12:24.55 | ssvb | right |
| 12:25.08 | hrw | ssvb: why 2.6.16 instead of 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 12:25.15 | ssvb | ? |
| 12:25.25 | ssvb | just because it works |
| 12:25.39 | hrw | 2.6.18 works on my 770 with Poky |
| 12:26.01 | hrw | ok - other thing |
| 12:26.09 | hrw | ssvb: I have two patches for cx3110x |
| 12:26.49 | ssvb | hrw: but I'm not maintaining cx3110x :) |
| 12:27.00 | ssvb | what kind of patches do you have? |
| 12:27.03 | hrw | ah - I was thinking that you are one of them ;) |
| 12:27.15 | hrw | http://pastebin.ca/979499 makes 1.2 build for 770 with 2.6.18 |
| 12:28.04 | ssvb | cool, does it work? |
| 12:28.06 | hrw | http://pastebin.ca/979503 make passing CC and LD much easier |
| 12:28.27 | ssvb | I mean, is that all that is needed to fix? |
| 12:29.23 | hrw | ssvb: I use umac.ko from 2.6.16.27 with some hacking + cx3110x source |
| 12:30.41 | ssvb | I suggest posting your patches to cx3110x-devel mailing list |
| 12:31.17 | hrw | ok |
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| 12:49.58 | wom- | hi, anyone familiar with osso file manager |
| 12:50.28 | johnx | you mean using it or its source code? |
| 12:50.30 | wom- | is there away to add kind of "open with" menu to it |
| 12:50.34 | wom- | source |
| 12:50.44 | wom- | i was thinking of plugin for it |
| 12:50.57 | wom- | if it supports plugins or extensions |
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| 12:54.10 | wom- | hmm, maybe just registering mime/type and application would be enough |
| 12:54.33 | inz | If it's done properly, then yeah |
| 12:54.34 | wom- | could work in this case |
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| 13:08.33 | WormFood | I still can't seem to connect to any sites with bzip2 package for n800 (I'm in china, and some sites are blocked here)....does anyone have a url handy, where I can download that package? |
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| 13:17.32 | Navi | Which package? |
| 13:17.48 | Navi | lame |
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| 13:21.01 | johnx | hey, try from here WormFood : http://sheeplauncher.net/bzip2_1.0.4-1_armel.deb |
| 13:23.00 | WormFood | thanks johnx |
| 13:23.07 | johnx | did it work? :) |
| 13:23.19 | WormFood | trying now |
| 13:24.18 | WormFood | yes it works for me, thanks a lot ;) |
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| 13:24.26 | johnx | I'm not a big fan of people who restrict other people's access to the internet, on principle :D |
| 13:24.31 | johnx | glad it worked |
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| 13:27.44 | zxula | I unpacked the rootfs from the latest FIASCO image added a few files in the rootfs usr/bin directory and then I reflashed the device with the new rootfs, everything seems to work but for some reason it's not loading the theme everything seems to be using the default GTK interface and it also shows the mouse cursor anyone knows what the problem could be? |
| 13:28.48 | zxula | the applications and everything seem to work fine |
| 13:29.03 | johnx | definitely sounds like something went pretty wrong, If you launch an app from the terminal does it complain about missing theme images or something helpful? |
| 13:29.12 | johnx | what did you add to /usr/bin ? |
| 13:29.20 | zxula | some binaries I made |
| 13:29.34 | zxula | nop it doesn't it loads it fine |
| 13:29.55 | zxula | but it uses the typical gtk theme the one you see on the pc's the default grayish color |
| 13:30.07 | johnx | if you try to select a theme from the menu on the home screen what happens? |
| 13:30.20 | zxula | also I noticed it doesn't save my startup applet setup it always bails back to the default so I'm guessing it could be a permission problem on the jffs2 fs that I made? |
| 13:30.21 | johnx | could the binaries you added be overlapping in name with something else on the system? |
| 13:30.26 | zxula | it doesn't load it |
| 13:30.31 | zxula | nop |
| 13:30.34 | zxula | it's just 2 binaries |
| 13:30.37 | zxula | different names |
| 13:30.46 | zxula | I mean non typical unix commands |
| 13:31.02 | WormFood | I have another problem I have never experienced before.....if I open a web browser without a wireless connection, it prompts me to pick a wireless connection, and after I select it, it will not work...all screen taps and button pushes do nothing....I do not feel the unit is locked up, but something is wrong.....anyone seen this problem before? |
| 13:31.47 | WormFood | this is on an N800 |
| 13:32.29 | WormFood | I have not experimented with it much, but I will....I was just wondering if anyone experienced it before |
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| 13:34.08 | mgedmin | I've seen all kinds of strange semi-crashes |
| 13:34.26 | mgedmin | e.g. sometimes the browser just stops making new connections, and you can't use it any more until you restart it |
| 13:35.23 | WormFood | well, I've had this particular problem at least 2 or 3 times now....does not seem to be random |
| 13:35.57 | zxula | the perms seem to be preserved in the filesystem and users directory so I'm guessing it's something else |
| 13:38.16 | zxula | I noticed the xterminal doesn't default to the users home dir so I'm guessing some global variables such as the home aren't set? |
| 13:38.20 | zxula | it defaults to the / dir |
| 13:40.41 | johnx | but /home/user is still there? |
| 13:41.03 | johnx | what about the permissions on /home/user and it's sub-directories? |
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| 13:44.49 | zxula | johnx: yea |
| 13:44.54 | zxula | I noticed it had the wrong perms though |
| 13:45.00 | zxula | it had some weird uids |
| 13:45.04 | zxula | 503 or something |
| 13:45.07 | johnx | that would do it :) |
| 13:45.11 | zxula | I restored it lets see |
| 13:45.25 | zxula | yeah that was it! |
| 13:45.27 | zxula | thx :> |
| 13:45.33 | johnx | sure :) |
| 13:45.53 | johnx | ok, I'm drawing a blank, what's the busybox command to add a user to a group |
| 13:46.03 | elb | vi /etc/group |
| 13:46.04 | elb | ;-) |
| 13:46.12 | johnx | heh :P |
| 13:46.22 | johnx | I need to use it in a postinst script |
| 13:46.37 | johnx | I'm trying to make proper "user friendly" fuse packages that "just work" |
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| 13:47.51 | WormFood | johnx, thanks again for that bzip2 url, that is exactly what I needed....I've already tried it out on my n800 ;) |
| 13:49.00 | johnx | great. :D I enjoy helping people circumvent impediments to high-quality compression algorithms |
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| 13:51.35 | WormFood | I don't know why bzip2 isn't part of busybox |
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| 13:52.37 | johnx | because they didn't need it so they figured they could save a couple KB |
| 13:53.46 | elb | johnx: addgroup is the "standard" way, I don't have busybox in front of me to see if it offers it |
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| 13:54.11 | elb | I quote standard because it's not very standard |
| 13:54.32 | johnx | yeah, it's adduser in debian :) |
| 13:54.32 | hrw | WormFood: bunzip2 is in busybox |
| 13:54.43 | elb | addgroup works fine in debian |
| 13:54.52 | johnx | ah, heh. |
| 13:54.54 | elb | addgroup username groupname |
| 13:55.00 | johnx | learns something new everyday |
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| 13:55.45 | johnx | anyways, there's no addgroup on OS2008 and 'groupadd user users' prints the usage info |
| 13:56.45 | ewanchic | hello. I need to talk to someone who is in charge of the http://repository.maemo.org/ files :) |
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| 13:57.37 | Jaffa | ewanchic: probably best to raise a bug at bugs.maemo.org if it's anything important |
| 13:57.46 | opendeep | I want to commit to repository ,can anyone send me that invitation |
| 13:58.10 | ewanchic | Jaffa, the problem is that e2fsprogs is missing. |
| 13:58.13 | opendeep | username:opendeep @ garage.maemo.org |
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| 13:58.30 | zxula | johnx: my os2008 has groupadd -g gid -o group |
| 13:58.36 | zxula | it's the rel 3 i think |
| 13:58.39 | ewanchic | It was there two days ago, and now it's gone as of yesterday. |
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| 14:00.27 | johnx | zxula, so pretend I'm really dumb, what's the command to add a user to an existing group? |
| 14:01.11 | lopz | hi |
| 14:01.18 | johnx | nevermind, got it with usermod |
| 14:01.26 | johnx | err...hmm |
| 14:01.56 | johnx | nah, just tricked myself. The question is still open. :) |
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| 14:02.13 | zxula | oh sorry I misunderstood the question |
| 14:02.32 | johnx | no worries. :) |
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| 14:04.12 | ewanchic | Does anybody know where else I can get the e2fsprogs package? |
| 14:04.33 | johnx | here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/e/e2fsprogs/ |
| 14:04.41 | zxula | gpasswd works? |
| 14:04.51 | ewanchic | johnx: It's not there. |
| 14:05.06 | ewanchic | AHHH! |
| 14:05.12 | ewanchic | It's there now :P |
| 14:05.17 | johnx | ewanchic, :) |
| 14:05.42 | johnx | zxula, thanks. that might do it. Somehow I've never heard of that command before... O_o |
| 14:05.56 | zxula | np |
| 14:06.00 | johnx | works! awesome |
| 14:06.06 | zxula | :> |
| 14:06.14 | johnx | Using Debian since 1998 has obviously made me soft |
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| 14:06.28 | ewanchic | You have to believe me, it was there not more than an hour ago. maybe that 'other' guy I was talking to got it out there. I'm happy again. |
| 14:07.03 | johnx | ewanchic, well, just make sure you grab one before they run out again. It's a popular package so they often run out of stock :D |
| 14:07.32 | ewanchic | johnx: LOL I'm sure of it! |
| 14:07.53 | johnx | honestly though, maemo.org has lots of weird hiccups |
| 14:09.35 | ewanchic | AHHHHH. I see the problem now. I've kept going to http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/e/ ....remove the extras directory. |
| 14:09.53 | ewanchic | old post I was looking at I guess |
| 14:09.54 | johnx | yeah, it's kinda confusing |
| 14:10.48 | hrw | ~curse nOKIA for lack of any idea how wifi works in linux |
| 14:10.49 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nOKIA for lack of any idea how wifi works in linux ! |
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| 14:11.47 | johnx | heh...hrw, get in line. They control battery charge through a userspace binary-only program... |
| 14:11.51 | hrw | good bye WPA on !maemo |
| 14:12.02 | hrw | johnx: I am in that line for over year |
| 14:12.08 | lcuk | qgil, i will have an answer by 6pm gmt, my boss is mumbling over whether to untether me. (if qgil aint here could someone just pass that on if they see him) |
| 14:12.18 | lcuk | goes back to work |
| 14:13.03 | zxula | hrw: yea they limit the sources to the driver too |
| 14:13.03 | johnx | hrw, What problem are you having with WPA? You've seen that patch that adds a little bit of wext support, right? |
| 14:13.07 | hrw | johnx: I booted Poky on 770. we use 2.6.18 (from os2007-n800) on it. I even have modules for wifi which loads into kernel |
| 14:13.33 | hrw | johnx: I used cx3110x 1.2 sources |
| 14:13.47 | johnx | so that incorporates the wext patch? |
| 14:13.52 | zxula | that's only a limited subset of the drivers :/ |
| 14:14.09 | johnx | true, but it's enough for wpa_supplicant (for the n800 at least) |
| 14:14.29 | zxula | yea for his case it is but if you wanna do other stuff it's not |
| 14:14.39 | zxula | like support writing tx packets while the card is in monitor mode |
| 14:14.55 | johnx | ah, the famous "packet injection" :) |
| 14:15.55 | zxula | I was disassembling the propriator module that they use and it's entirely based on the prism drivers |
| 14:16.02 | zxula | even the function names are the same |
| 14:16.17 | hrw | zxula: which prism drivers? I know atleast 3 |
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| 14:16.22 | zxula | I mean doing the mod for the prism like drivers isn't hard |
| 14:16.29 | hrw | orinoco, hostap, wlan-ng |
| 14:16.31 | zxula | prism2 I think |
| 14:16.39 | zxula | oh wlan-ng |
| 14:16.56 | hrw | wlan-ng is the worst shit when it comes to drivers |
| 14:17.06 | hrw | open drivers of course |
| 14:17.09 | johnx | isn't wlan-ng GPL'ed? |
| 14:17.38 | zxula | but even if you modify the lkm directly or setup hooks into them you'd still be violating the users license agreement |
| 14:17.48 | hrw | johnx: about wext patch - no idea |
| 14:17.54 | jobu | have any of you tried putting android on an n800? |
| 14:18.17 | Blafasel | zxula: I wouldn't care about that if that would give me more wlan features.. |
| 14:18.42 | zxula | Blafasel: as a user sure, but posting such a thing will get you into trouble |
| 14:19.04 | zxula | I went back and forth telling them what to do and they denied doing it |
| 14:19.12 | zxula | I mean the mods are a joke |
| 14:19.15 | zxula | to add support for it |
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| 14:20.19 | johnx | hrw, maybe, I'm confused about what you're talking about, but there is a patch here, that seems to add enough wext support for me to use wpa_supplicant on an N800: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html |
| 14:20.24 | hrw | johnx: as usual with maemo stuff all you can get from google contain irclogs or forum posts. |
| 14:20.58 | hrw | someone should host garage.maemo.org on better link and give google access |
| 14:22.56 | Blafasel | zxula: Not for me, I fear. But maybe it's worth looking at them. |
| 14:23.03 | monkeyiq | hmm, I might try googling around for WPA2 patches for the n810. |
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| 14:23.26 | johnx | monkeyiq, What kind of network are you trying to join with it? |
| 14:23.42 | monkeyiq | johnx; I join a WPA2 |
| 14:23.51 | monkeyiq | johnx; but its rather slower than I'd like |
| 14:24.36 | monkeyiq | I've not looked into what is handing the en/decryption on the 810, but whatever it is, it is very slow. |
| 14:24.59 | johnx | it would probably be handled on the CPU, right? |
| 14:25.11 | monkeyiq | I'm tempted to see what speed I can get on a non encrypted AP using ssh tunneling and firewailling on the router to block non ssh traffic |
| 14:25.28 | monkeyiq | johnx; yeah 100% cpu load at the peak 500kbyte/sec |
| 14:25.47 | johnx | sounds about right |
| 14:25.54 | johnx | Somehow I don't see ssh being faster... |
| 14:26.07 | monkeyiq | I can scp to localhost on the n810 at 1mb/sec |
| 14:26.31 | johnx | right, but just using the wireless card unencrypted takes CPU time |
| 14:26.48 | johnx | but sure, go ahead and test it. I'd be interested in the results |
| 14:27.16 | monkeyiq | also, a tinc VPN ontop of WPA2 can run almost at 400kbyte/sec |
| 14:27.17 | zxula | monkeyiq: it will avg at 250k/s on an open ap with sftp |
| 14:27.48 | monkeyiq | zxula; hmm so sftp is 50% slower than WPA2? |
| 14:28.17 | zxula | no idea that's on a 54mbs router between the n810 and my laptop |
| 14:28.29 | zxula | i sftp from my laptop into the n810 |
| 14:28.45 | zxula | it starts at 450k then drops down to 250k |
| 14:29.09 | monkeyiq | hmm, can you easily test what a wget from a web server can give you with no encryption? |
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| 14:29.25 | hrw | johnx: thx |
| 14:29.28 | monkeyiq | I'd be interested to see what overhead the ssh is giving you |
| 14:29.42 | zxula | ok 1sec but there are so many factors that may delay it |
| 14:29.45 | zxula | I'll try it on my lan |
| 14:29.56 | johnx | hrw, you think that will work with the 770? If so I'll update my wiki |
| 14:30.10 | monkeyiq | I tested it with just d/loading a 10mb junk file created with dd |
| 14:30.30 | zxula | 450k/s |
| 14:30.58 | monkeyiq | hmm, interesting... so you don't actually seem to get any speed advantage at all not using WPA2 |
| 14:31.27 | zxula | don't think |
| 14:31.41 | hrw | johnx: same fault |
| 14:31.52 | zxula | I mean the processing power to do the wpa2 stuff is minimal I guess |
| 14:32.03 | zxula | or not worth worrying about |
| 14:32.15 | hrw | johnx: still crash |
| 14:32.24 | monkeyiq | sort of a shame if you want to scp 600mb of oggs to the n810 at the last minute before heading out. having to dig up the usb cable or wait for 500kb/sec :/ |
| 14:32.50 | johnx | hrw, that's interesting. wpa_supplicant certainly complained when I used it, but it worked. |
| 14:32.59 | monkeyiq | zxula; I was sort of afraid of that, given that I can run ssh or tinc ontop of the WPA2 stuff and still see 350-400kb/s |
| 14:33.41 | hrw | root@nokia770:~# wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:33.41 | hrw | ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device |
| 14:33.45 | hrw | REBOOT |
| 14:33.50 | johnx | reboot?! |
| 14:33.56 | hrw | device self reboot |
| 14:33.59 | johnx | ok, that didn't happen to me on the N800 |
| 14:34.09 | johnx | have you disabled watchdog reboots? |
| 14:34.09 | hrw | n800 has other wifi chip |
| 14:34.14 | hrw | johnx: no |
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| 14:35.07 | zxula | oh btw if you're doing long transfers the ssh will die if you don't manually set the power management to off |
| 14:35.38 | johnx | zxula, it doesn't here. I would assume it depends on the router |
| 14:35.42 | zxula | even if you put in the connection settings power management off it will set the power management to on on it's on |
| 14:35.45 | zxula | on/own |
| 14:35.51 | monkeyiq | hmm, I've only tried to xfer files up to about 700mb over scp |
| 14:35.58 | zxula | I had to explicitly set iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 14:36.29 | zxula | johnx: that's true I haven't had this issue with my old router it sends a keep alive or something |
| 14:36.46 | monkeyiq | and I've got power mgmt=on here. |
| 14:36.57 | zxula | yea your router must be good then |
| 14:37.26 | monkeyiq | though I might experiment with that, I had a longer NFS xfer die unexpectedly on me. Though I thought that might have been a flow control issue |
| 14:37.30 | johnx | that being said, if I send enough *from* the N800 it's wireless connection will eventually die and need to be brought up again |
| 14:38.03 | zxula | yea you need iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 14:38.24 | zxula | i don't know if there is a way to programatically take control of this |
| 14:38.34 | zxula | through dbus maybe |
| 14:38.46 | Blafasel | Regarding the wifi drivers again: If they are basically using a prism GPL driver, aren't they forced to disclose the source? |
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| 14:38.55 | monkeyiq | zxula: dbus might be the go |
| 14:39.12 | monkeyiq | zxula; I bring up tinc using dbus to respond to connection up msgs |
| 14:39.27 | zxula | oh cool |
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| 14:39.58 | monkeyiq | zxula; check out these http://www.cobb.uk.net/770/#dbus-scripts |
| 14:41.59 | johnx | Blafasel, They are dual licensed (at least 2 licenses...) MPL and GPL2 |
| 14:42.12 | zxula | looks like dbus might be a way to disable the power management |
| 14:42.59 | monkeyiq | yeah, should be fairly quick to brew a little script with that link too. |
| 14:43.07 | Blafasel | johnx: Ah, ok. Sad. |
| 14:43.29 | johnx | yeah, I was wondering about that too. :/ |
| 14:43.46 | johnx | anyways, off to bed |
| 14:44.05 | jott | maybe there are still gpl2-only parts in it... hm |
| 14:44.49 | johnx | jott, it looks like "AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc" retains all rights, so they could just license it however they want |
| 14:45.53 | _V_ | re |
| 14:46.04 | _V_ | i'm unable do unistalle openssh :( |
| 14:46.11 | _V_ | this is the message i receive: |
| 14:46.11 | jott | as long as they only used the code from them... |
| 14:46.14 | _V_ | http://rafb.net/p/oZEMyF44.html |
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| 14:46.34 | _V_ | any idea on what is the problem ? |
| 14:47.21 | jott | zxula: have you analyzed how big the difference are between the baseline opensource drivers? |
| 14:48.09 | zxula | jott: not really I just skimmed through the disassembly and looked more into the tx_ routines |
| 14:48.27 | jott | ok |
| 14:48.31 | jott | vanishes again |
| 14:48.38 | zxula | but you can write up a script in ELF diff script for that matter |
| 14:48.51 | zxula | not sure if IDA supports it, it should be fairly easy to script a plugin for it |
| 14:49.27 | zxula | or gdb |
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| 15:00.30 | konttori | Was someone asking for me? |
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| 15:05.50 | hrw | 09 21:52 < qgil> konttori: are you here? |
| 15:06.00 | konttori | read the backlog. yeah |
| 15:06.12 | hrw | konttori: you wrote ukmp? |
| 15:06.13 | konttori | qgil was mentioning me a few times |
| 15:06.16 | konttori | yeah |
| 15:06.24 | konttori | as a python learning hobby |
| 15:06.30 | hrw | konttori: I do not like its post install script |
| 15:06.36 | konttori | and hack test |
| 15:06.45 | hrw | konttori: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/03/31/very-small-test-of-maemo-media-players/ |
| 15:06.59 | konttori | Yeah. I read your comment |
| 15:07.19 | konttori | ukmp is a hack. The postinst is a convenience for me. |
| 15:07.27 | konttori | Is there something specific you'd like to change? |
| 15:07.54 | konttori | I could maybe put some parts of the script as part of my build script. (like the cp) |
| 15:07.55 | hrw | remove all those "mv this.py this" as it should be done during building of package |
| 15:08.20 | hrw | konttori: next is - remove removing from cards. it should be an option in application for doing this |
| 15:08.32 | hrw | konttori: basic rule: NEVER EVER touch user data |
| 15:09.00 | konttori | it used to be an option. I just then decided to be user friendly/evil/knowitall/knowsitbest |
| 15:09.33 | konttori | as you can see the commented confirmation code there. |
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| 15:10.12 | konttori | I just ended up making it (for that version) automatic. As it was actually mandatory (for fixing the database corruptions from previous version) |
| 15:10.31 | hrw | anyway I did not found any media player for me yet |
| 15:10.40 | konttori | I suggest canola. It's nice |
| 15:12.07 | konttori | or just build your own. Should not be too hard |
| 15:12.57 | hrw | ;) |
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| 15:14.00 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/10/the-curse-of-maemo-closed-source-components/ |
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| 15:14.46 | jaska | yeah its fairly silly |
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| 15:23.55 | zxula | hrw: nice |
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| 15:35.17 | deejoe | hrw: thanks for the link |
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| 16:01.43 | lcuk | woooooooooooooooooot my boss let me go to germany \:D/ |
| 16:03.49 | qwerty12 | Nice :), the weather any better than the UK :P |
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| 16:43.44 | zerodegre | anyone home can hwlp me with mapper? |
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| 16:44.43 | zerodegre | i got the GPs working in my 810 with mapper, but which maps should i use??? also, which ones would be best to make it the most like a regualr step by step GPS system, or is this possible? |
| 16:47.42 | zerodegre | anyone? |
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| 17:30.04 | lcuk | zerodegre, i think you caught this channel at its quietest |
| 17:31.12 | lcuk | i just use the regular map software - we havent sprung for the paid for additional turn by turn but i hear its just a normal regular working map app |
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| 17:31.39 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! |
| 17:31.50 | lcuk | hi Khertan_n810 |
| 17:32.00 | lcuk | how goes the pygtk editor? |
| 17:32.16 | lcuk | and why didnt you let people know it changes font size ... |
| 17:32.45 | Khertan_n810 | maybe someone can help me : someone know the process of validating packages uploaded to extras ? |
| 17:33.16 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk > since the first version you can change font with zoom key |
| 17:33.32 | Khertan_n810 | as maemo guideslines suggest it |
| 17:33.44 | lcuk | i know that now :P it was never documented and its likely the only thing ive ever needed my zoom for |
| 17:33.50 | Khertan_n810 | i know i should write a documentation |
| 17:34.09 | lcuk | its ok, it makes it more readable now thanks for pointing it out |
| 17:34.19 | Khertan_n810 | but i prefers coding |
| 17:34.20 | lcuk | now, are you still having same problem as yesterday |
| 17:34.46 | lcuk | i agree with the coding aspect :) |
| 17:34.53 | Khertan_n810 | there is other thing not documented as the search which is a regex search |
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| 17:35.44 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk > my package was not validate ... due to some formatting prroblem in pypackager created files |
| 17:35.58 | __wellu__ | hi |
| 17:35.59 | Khertan_n810 | but i ve made some fix |
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| 17:36.11 | lcuk | and you are in a holding cycle again? |
| 17:36.37 | __wellu__ | anyone around using Eclipse+Esbox for developing? Got some problems.. |
| 17:36.51 | Khertan_n810 | but i would know how they test package to be able to test mine before sending it again and waiting |
| 17:37.13 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk > since 10 min yes |
| 17:37.48 | Khertan_n810 | __wellu__> no sorry ... i made only onboard dev |
| 17:38.10 | __wellu__ | Well, my problem is more IDE problem I guess anyway.. |
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| 17:38.46 | Khertan_n810 | i like this n810 small keyboard ! |
| 17:39.03 | __wellu__ | Ok, here's the problem: I've got some code that compiles under SB just fine.. Simple Makefile and few sources.. |
| 17:39.06 | lcuk | i am expecting to speak with quim tonight, i will ask him your question if i manage to find him and see if i can get some additional info put online or sent to your address |
| 17:39.09 | Khertan_n810 | just need to patch it for bracket and commercial and |
| 17:39.23 | lcuk | now you understand the importance of TAB!!!! |
| 17:39.23 | __wellu__ | the code is in SVN |
| 17:39.36 | Khertan_n810 | to my mail will be prefered |
| 17:39.57 | lcuk | ill certainly pass your concern on or at least find out who it should be directed to |
| 17:40.10 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk > the next version of pygtkeditor can int and unindent multiple line |
| 17:40.15 | lcuk | it would help people if we knew what to check for ourselves |
| 17:40.16 | __wellu__ | I just want to use Eclipse as an editor.. nothing else.. Somehow it is not trivial as I'm forced to create a new project and duplicate sources. |
| 17:40.34 | lcuk | wellu, i hate eclipse |
| 17:40.42 | Khertan_n810 | me too |
| 17:40.46 | lcuk | are you using the vmware box for maemo? |
| 17:40.55 | Khertan_n810 | this doesn t work on n810 |
| 17:40.58 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:41.01 | lcuk | or is all this in proper grown up linux |
| 17:41.09 | lcuk | what doesnt work on 810? |
| 17:41.57 | Khertan_n810 | eclipse |
| 17:42.03 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:42.09 | __wellu__ | LOL |
| 17:42.25 | lcuk | you compiled it for 810? with all java deps? |
| 17:42.50 | Khertan_n810 | oh great there is a param for emoticons in chat ... |
| 17:43.09 | Khertan_n810 | yeah ! no more this stupid things |
| 17:43.18 | Khertan_n810 | :P |
| 17:44.07 | lcuk | what are you using to chat in? |
| 17:44.10 | lcuk | is in xchat |
| 17:44.18 | __wellu__ | in irssi |
| 17:44.31 | Khertan_n810 | use telepathy on n810 |
| 17:44.34 | qwerty12_N800 | in xchat on n800 |
| 17:44.59 | qwerty12_N800 | likes except |
| 17:45.13 | qwerty12_N800 | for stupid copy and paste |
| 17:45.36 | Khertan_n810 | except ? |
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| 17:45.50 | Khertan_n810 | don t know this client |
| 17:46.01 | lcuk2 | well if everyone is in with their devices i might as well join you |
| 17:46.15 | qwerty12_N800 | omg, you never heard of xchat! :p |
| 17:46.18 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
| 17:46.20 | Khertan_n810 | /ctcp VERSION lcuk2 |
| 17:46.20 | lcuk2 | on my 810 with a nokia wireless kb |
| 17:46.30 | Khertan_n810 | arg can t pass command |
| 17:46.51 | lcuk2 | what does ctcp do? |
| 17:47.03 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > know it , never really use it |
| 17:47.28 | Khertan_n810 | ask irc client version |
| 17:47.41 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't know the first thing about irc :p, the first channel i joined was xbins. this is my 1st particpating channel |
| 17:47.44 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 17:47.47 | lcuk2 | ahhh thought you were trying to zap me with some sort of defence mechanism |
| 17:48.16 | lcuk2 | i think all the mumbo jumbo commands are way over the top |
| 17:48.25 | lcuk2 | brb |
| 17:48.31 | Khertan_n810 | lol no ! just curious to know if u are testing telepathy after i mention it |
| 17:49.24 | Khertan_n810 | just a question ? Does my english is good ? or does i m speaking as well as a spanish cow ? |
| 17:49.57 | lcuk | no you are understandable (a bit odd sometimes but its understandable) |
| 17:50.07 | Khertan_n810 | lol oki :) |
| 17:50.30 | Khertan_n810 | as i french so, my native language ;) |
| 17:50.48 | lcuk | yer, infact your english is better than some of the english folks in here ;) |
| 17:50.55 | zerodegre | has anyone use maemo mapper int he 810 with GPS? and able to use it to get routes? |
| 17:50.56 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
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| 17:52.33 | Khertan_n810 | zerodegre > obviously i found the gps terribly slow to get signals... and never use it since i ve understood that it need 15min from a cold start to be ready |
| 17:53.44 | Khertan_n810 | and in my car it s more hours ... |
| 17:53.57 | zerodegre | mine seemed to work pretty quick |
| 17:54.07 | elb | zerodegre: are you in the US? |
| 17:54.10 | zerodegre | yes |
| 17:54.24 | zerodegre | i used google street |
| 17:54.26 | elb | adds another data point to the support for his hypothesis |
| 17:54.29 | Khertan_n810 | hu? maybe i should return my n810 |
| 17:54.39 | zerodegre | with maemo maps |
| 17:54.44 | elb | Europeans seem to have a lot more trouble with the GPS than Americans |
| 17:54.46 | zerodegre | and yahoo streets |
| 17:54.59 | zerodegre | but i am unsure how to download entire maps, |
| 17:55.04 | zerodegre | for an area |
| 17:55.08 | Khertan_n810 | i ve something random shutdown too when i close keyboard too quicly |
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| 17:55.19 | Khertan_n810 | s/quicly/quickly |
| 17:55.20 | qwerty12_N800 | the eu really needs 2 launch some satellites :( |
| 17:55.29 | elb | zerodegre: for maemo mapper, you can select a center and a radius and snag maps |
| 17:55.42 | zerodegre | elb. how do i do that? |
| 17:55.56 | elb | it's in the documentation, perhaps even the FAQ |
| 17:56.04 | elb | (I'm not in front of my 810 right now, I'll look in a moment) |
| 17:56.11 | zerodegre | ok |
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| 17:56.25 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > we will have our own satellites with their own protocol ... |
| 17:56.46 | elb | maybe, eventually |
| 17:56.50 | elb | if it doesn't get scrapped again |
| 17:57.01 | qwerty12_N800 | hopefully :) |
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| 17:57.19 | florian | bbl |
| 17:57.21 | elb | but there are certainly GPS receivers which work fine in Europe |
| 17:57.21 | Khertan_n810 | so need new device |
| 17:57.27 | elb | the n810 just doesn't seem to be one of them ;-) |
| 17:57.57 | elb | note that this is entirely empirical observation, I have no understanding of why this might be -- although GPS is more difficult to use in high latitudes |
| 17:58.16 | lcuk | gps works for me as long as i hold aloft my mighty 810 and worship the sun god (for upto 30 minutes facing north) |
| 17:58.51 | lcuk | gps works at any altitude, and infact the heigher you are the more sats are in clear view |
| 17:58.58 | glass | n95's gps sucks bigtime if the assist isn't enabled |
| 17:59.05 | elb | I said *latitude*, not altitude |
| 17:59.08 | Khertan_n810 | in fact none gps receiver work in my car |
| 17:59.15 | lcuk | lol @ misreading |
| 17:59.24 | elb | as you near the poles, GPS becomes more problematic |
| 17:59.35 | lcuk | but still, nope there are some in a polar orbit as well as other directions |
| 18:00.16 | elb | but still, yeah, it's the truth |
| 18:00.29 | elb | I think maybe because the poles are farther from the satellites on average |
| 18:00.30 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ConstellationGPS.gif |
| 18:00.33 | elb | (the Earth is not spherical) |
| 18:00.46 | elb | it could also have to do with atmospheric conditions, however |
| 18:00.56 | elb | I know what the constellation looks like, I'm telling you that this is a fact of GPS operation |
| 18:01.00 | lcuk | earth doesnt have to be spherical - more likely localised buildings as well |
| 18:01.07 | elb | in fact, it's one of the reasons the EU wants to put up its own constellation |
| 18:01.29 | lcuk | i thought it was just so that they werent reliant upon america |
| 18:01.31 | elb | (look up Galileo) |
| 18:01.36 | elb | that's one reason, yes |
| 18:02.16 | Khertan_n810 | hu ! can't use google tanslation tool on my n810 |
| 18:02.22 | lcuk | oooh yer: better positioning services at high latitudes |
| 18:02.46 | elb | anyway, I don't know if that's related |
| 18:02.56 | Khertan_n810 | there are saying that my request look like an automated request that could be do by a virus |
| 18:03.01 | elb | but I do know that a lot of American n810 users say it works fine for them, and I've never seen a European say so :-) |
| 18:03.19 | elb | perhaps it simply assumes a US starting position, and so US cold starts are quicker |
| 18:03.43 | lcuk | doesnt make sense for a european company |
| 18:04.02 | elb | I agree |
| 18:04.20 | elb | although the US may be their largest market for ITs |
| 18:04.29 | elb | I don't get that impression from this channel, but I don't know |
| 18:04.38 | Khertan_n810 | a will said more : no sense for a european company where the main market is europe |
| 18:05.10 | elb | but all of my speculations are just that -- speculation |
| 18:05.15 | elb | it's simply a trend I have noticed |
| 18:05.26 | Khertan_n810 | in europe nokia is the leader on phone :) |
| 18:05.38 | Khertan_n810 | distancing all other company |
| 18:05.45 | Khertan_n810 | companies ? |
| 18:05.48 | lcuk | well and truly |
| 18:05.52 | elb | I think that may be true worldwide |
| 18:06.00 | elb | now that Motorola was ground into the dirt |
| 18:06.07 | glass | Khertan_n810: dunno if europe is 'main' market anymore, asia and emerging markets take a lot of the business volume |
| 18:06.13 | elb | although one of the Asian companies may hold that title |
| 18:06.20 | glass | they are biggest worldwide |
| 18:06.24 | glass | nokia that is |
| 18:06.25 | glass | 40% |
| 18:07.34 | lcuk | elb, your observation may infact be valid for this device. it could simply be that suboptimal antenna location/choice could make what should be a standard worldwide chip solution into something that is indeed flakey when things go off the yellow brick road |
| 18:08.11 | glass | n95's antenna is under the keypad.. so you have to keep the device open |
| 18:08.31 | glass | dunno where the antenna is in n810 |
| 18:08.43 | lcuk | top left corner in the body ifiak |
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| 18:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody notice konttori's post on ITT on the new MicroB? :D |
| 18:23.36 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah |
| 18:23.38 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 18:24.24 | qwerty12_N800 | I want Diablo to come quick |
| 18:24.54 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, you around? |
| 18:26.10 | lcuk | he went to bed sometime after 1pm |
| 18:26.13 | elb | no, is an update pending? |
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| 18:26.32 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, thanks |
| 18:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167852#post167852 |
| 18:26.46 | qwerty12_N800 | I wanted to ask him something |
| 18:27.15 | lcuk | well i gathered that :PO |
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| 18:27.24 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, is it real? does it actually work better? |
| 18:27.25 | elb | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 18:27.31 | lcuk | have you tried it? |
| 18:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Do I have access to Diablo? :P |
| 18:28.40 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, you probably have your sources :p |
| 18:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | If only. |
| 18:29.03 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles's cat runs diablo when gen isnt looking |
| 18:29.52 | lcuk | is feeling dog tired after only getting < 1 hour kip last night |
| 18:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | I hear she held Texrat hostage for a few days and got an N900 and a copy of Diablo out of him. |
| 18:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | She wont show me until I upgrade her Deli Cat to caviar. |
| 18:30.51 | lcuk | i wonder if this is more efficient ondemand settings kicking into effect. |
| 18:31.44 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, was there anything we could help with or did you specifically need kot |
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| 18:33.04 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I wanted to ask kot because he compiled mplayer with v4l but i'm getting errors. I'm off my computer anyway :) |
| 18:33.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks btw |
| 18:33.38 | rm_you | I wish I could test all this cool new stuff that's coming out :/ |
| 18:34.07 | rm_you | Maybe I will be able to afford the N8/9xx whenever it comes out |
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| 18:37.42 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm not so keen on an n900. I think I'll buy another pocket pc or maybe an iPhone (yes, but I don't really like it but there is supposed to be a q3 port. but if q3 runs on the n900, i'm sold9 |
| 18:37.48 | qwerty12_N800 | s/9/) |
| 18:38.02 | pupnik | can i quote you on that qwerty12_N800 ? |
| 18:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming we get drivers, the N900 will run a lot better than Q3. |
| 18:38.26 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik, erm :/ :p |
| 18:38.27 | mwaldron | n900? am i missin something? |
| 18:38.49 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, I don't have much hope, looking at Nokia current record |
| 18:39.23 | pupnik | btw quake 3 is on uphone |
| 18:39.30 | pupnik | or it's a april 1 hoax |
| 18:39.45 | pupnik | maybe it's quake 2 with a q3 levelset |
| 18:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | The record that they didn't want to provide driver support hardware with technical limitations? :P |
| 18:41.33 | pupnik | also 'it's not a game machine' |
| 18:41.35 | qwerty12_N800 | True :), I guess i have to wait. But i am reluctant as I only got a n800 a few months back. |
| 18:41.38 | elb | fast is apparently relative |
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| 18:42.13 | elb | (for this mozilla browser) |
| 18:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | Is it ever not? |
| 18:42.44 | elb | it takes a MONTH to load |
| 18:42.55 | ||cw | pupnik: late for fools day, and it runs, but they aren't releasing it, they are doing a conversion project. probably get around the limitations like no right-click for alt fire or scroll wheel for weapons switch |
| 18:42.56 | lcuk | pupnik, have you heard back after accepting? |
| 18:43.55 | lcuk | elb, if you leave it on your windows sill for 30 minutes your browsing experience will be faster |
| 18:44.31 | elb | scrolling is smarter than microb |
| 18:44.36 | elb | and double-click to zoom is nice |
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| 18:45.21 | flo_lap | re |
| 18:46.37 | qwerty12_N800 | elb, how much space does it roughly take? i have 11mb free woot :( |
| 18:48.04 | keesj | modest works really nice now with gmail imap. really worth trying again |
| 18:48.27 | elb | qwerty12_N800: the package file was 10MB ... let me query dpkg |
| 18:49.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I may get lucky, I'll remove mythtv, never got it to work anyway. Thanks. |
| 18:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | Just boot from a card. :P |
| 18:51.05 | elb | qwerty12_N800: claims 10MB installed, too |
| 18:51.08 | elb | I'm not sure I believe it ;-) |
| 18:51.16 | qwerty12_N800 | My sd card is s*** :p, with 48hz kernel, io errors all the way. I actually damaged my sd boot partition |
| 18:51.22 | qwerty12_N800 | elb, lol, thanks |
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| 18:53.19 | elb | qwerty12_N800: yeah it totally lied -- it's over 25MB here |
| 18:53.36 | elb | the 'minefield' package shows up as 76k installed or some crap ... but it's huge |
| 18:54.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, i have 32mb free now :), more useful to me than mythtv |
| 18:54.52 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 18:55.07 | whooper | hey guys |
| 18:55.30 | whooper | i have a 770-- what would you reccomend I do with it and a 2gb rs-mmc? |
| 18:56.07 | KotCzarny | install 2008he for fun |
| 18:56.27 | whooper | what else? |
| 18:56.37 | whooper | id like to try and dual boot, too |
| 18:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader, Canola, Maemo Mapper and mplayer. |
| 18:57.38 | whooper | speaking of canola-- i installed it on os2006 and the yt plugin-- when i try to use it, it crashes! |
| 18:57.44 | whooper | any idea how to fix? |
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| 18:57.54 | KotCzarny | is there flash on 2006? |
| 18:58.00 | KotCzarny | erm. |
| 18:58.02 | KotCzarny | scratch that |
| 18:58.07 | KotCzarny | it uses mplayer |
| 18:58.15 | KotCzarny | check if your mplayer works |
| 18:58.19 | kenne | whooper, try running it from the terminal (as user) |
| 18:58.25 | kenne | like 'canola -vvvv' |
| 18:58.32 | whooper | i cant right now, i sent it in for repair yesterday ..; |
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| 19:00.06 | whooper | but when i get it back (probably a new one) what would be the best things to install-- i.e. killer apps? |
| 19:00.55 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, mind if i ask you what configure options did you use to build mplayer with v4l. I tried --enable-tv-v4l2 (something like that) and i got make errors. |
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| 19:01.44 | KotCzarny | i think i haven't enabled anything in particular |
| 19:01.51 | KotCzarny | just a ./configure and make |
| 19:02.04 | KotCzarny | can you pastebin.com the errors? |
| 19:02.18 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm away from computer :9 |
| 19:02.23 | qwerty12_N800 | s/9/) |
| 19:02.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:02.51 | KotCzarny | it can be anything from missing headers to some lines needing fixing in the code |
| 19:03.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks :), is there a way to try out v4l support without connecting a webcam? It may already be enabled. |
| 19:03.53 | KotCzarny | you have a webcam in n800.. |
| 19:03.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:04.16 | KotCzarny | download my mplayer and just run with a proper args |
| 19:04.36 | KotCzarny | that's the fastest way to try :) |
| 19:04.38 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm trying to test the build I made :) |
| 19:04.49 | qwerty12_N800 | is searching for args |
| 19:04.58 | whooper | is it possible to run the adnroid on 770? |
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| 19:06.10 | KotCzarny | qwerty: search for a line i have suggested for pupnik :) |
| 19:06.21 | ]-[andful_of_not | whooper : the 2006 is really complicated to use with today's software : / |
| 19:07.01 | qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, okie :), I tried mplayer-v4l -cache 128 -tv driver=v4l:width=420:height=240:outfmt=i420:device=/dev/video1 -vc rawi420 -vo xv tv:// but i need to enable tv support :/ |
| 19:07.16 | qwerty12_N800 | s/mplayer-v4l/mplayer |
| 19:07.30 | qwerty12_N800 | s//dev/video1/dev/video0 |
| 19:08.35 | konttori | GA: Well, I really don't remember how fast chinook version was. I just tried the ferret browser and compared it side by side with another device running microb. |
| 19:08.41 | konttori | and microb was much faster |
| 19:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | That means Diablo's MicroB is also significantly faster than Chinook's. |
| 19:09.10 | KotCzarny | qwerty: video1 ? |
| 19:09.11 | konttori | did you try ferret? |
| 19:09.16 | KotCzarny | search for my line :) |
| 19:09.39 | qwerty12_N800 | i did /s/video1 video0 :p |
| 19:09.42 | elb | the fennec install put up by vladimir is slow as mud |
| 19:09.48 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 19:10.54 | whooper | How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD? |
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| 19:12.59 | rm_you | KotCzarny: you have a forum thread for your mplayer? |
| 19:13.19 | KotCzarny | qwerty: -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 |
| 19:13.25 | KotCzarny | rm_you: no i think |
| 19:13.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks! |
| 19:13.31 | KotCzarny | but there's a http server for it |
| 19:13.41 | rm_you | koo |
| 19:13.43 | rm_you | PM me that? |
| 19:13.46 | rm_you | i gotta run now |
| 19:14.02 | rm_you | what exactly are your patches? |
| 19:14.12 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ |
| 19:14.33 | KotCzarny | no patches because i didn't do anything special |
| 19:14.37 | rm_you | ah |
| 19:14.38 | rm_you | so.... |
| 19:14.43 | rm_you | it's just a build of mplayer? |
| 19:14.58 | rm_you | what's different from the official build? |
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| 19:15.30 | rm_you | gah, needz to go |
| 19:15.35 | KotCzarny | i have enabled gst (which is buggy on 2008 hence disabled) and tv, also i have built mencoder |
| 19:15.41 | rm_you | :) |
| 19:15.45 | KotCzarny | but it's all based on .25 |
| 19:15.50 | rm_you | kk i will check it out later... |
| 19:15.57 | rm_you | and possibly ask you again as i really have to run |
| 19:16.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:16.08 | rm_you | and this is going to be scrolled off my log window by the time i get back |
| 19:16.10 | rm_you | BBL |
| 19:16.13 | rm_you | RUNS to work |
| 19:16.14 | qwerty12_N800 | hmm, my build is based on rc2 :) |
| 19:16.16 | KotCzarny | no problems |
| 19:16.19 | KotCzarny | you have google |
| 19:16.20 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 19:16.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:16.32 | KotCzarny | that' why i have answered on public channel |
| 19:16.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:18.11 | qwerty12_N800 | "MPlayer was compiled without TV interface support." - says it all, i have to look into why it is compiling with errors with tv on in the morning |
| 19:19.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:20.02 | qwerty12_N800 | :), v4l1 is obsolete right? |
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| 19:20.37 | KotCzarny | you won't benefit from v4l1 because camera on n8x0 is exposed as v4l2 device |
| 19:20.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:21.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks, kernel has it disabled too. I know Bundyo's rc2 build has tv working. |
| 19:22.03 | qwerty12_N800 | I've only made a few changes compared to that though. |
| 19:22.43 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:22.45 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 19:23.02 | KotCzarny | i believe i ran mplayer/mencoder with tv mplayer on a stock kernel |
| 19:23.45 | qwerty12_N800 | I mean v4l1 is disabled in my kernel :), unless i misunderstand you |
| 19:24.24 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 19:24.32 | KotCzarny | i was thinking about v4l2 |
| 19:24.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:26.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Has anyone tried compiling with radio support? |
| 19:26.34 | qwerty12_N800 | I tried the fmradio xmms plugin but I wouldn't hear anything. |
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| 19:29.12 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:29.37 | dougt | has anyone used GDK_AXIS_PRESSURE to discover the touchscreen pressure of a gtk event? |
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| 19:31.51 | hrw | morning |
| 19:32.09 | KotCzarny | that's japan? |
| 19:32.27 | hrw | KotCzarny: ? |
| 19:32.31 | KotCzarny | morning |
| 19:32.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:32.41 | hrw | ~morning |
| 19:32.42 | infobot | Good morning! |
| 19:32.56 | hrw | heh.. no apt/ibot/dpkg here |
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| 19:38.34 | mgedmin | dougt: no, but if you're looking for working source code, grep in the fbreader tree |
| 19:38.55 | mgedmin | also, don't trust the value too much |
| 19:39.10 | dougt | thanks. the microb source is what I am looking at. |
| 19:39.14 | mgedmin | there were long threads and ugly workarounds mentioned on the fbreader mailing list |
| 19:39.23 | dougt | nods |
| 19:39.33 | mgedmin | apparently the hardware itself sometimes has trouble distinguishing thumb presses from stylus events |
| 19:39.46 | dougt | hildon has specific helpers |
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| 19:39.56 | dougt | hildon_button_event_is_finger |
| 19:40.06 | mgedmin | as a user I've given up a long time ago and no longer even try to use finger presses |
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| 19:42.26 | mgedmin | fwiw the hildon_button_event_is_finger is half of the solution, iirc the other half is to indicate that your widget wants to get the pressure information via some sort of event mask |
| 19:42.33 | mgedmin | I'm fuzzy on the details |
| 19:45.32 | dougt | mgedmin: so, i can get pressure data if I use X directly. |
| 19:45.46 | dougt | that seems to work fine, but I don't process X events in my application |
| 19:45.59 | mgedmin | um... ? |
| 19:46.10 | mgedmin | what does your app do then? |
| 19:46.22 | dougt | i mean. |
| 19:46.26 | dougt | it is a Gtk Application |
| 19:46.31 | dougt | i setup callbacks, ect |
| 19:47.07 | dougt | i am not doing while(1) { XEventsQueued(), xnexevent...} |
| 19:47.16 | dougt | mgedmin: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData |
| 19:47.25 | dougt | ^^ this more or less works fine. |
| 19:47.36 | dougt | you get different values depending on how hard you strick the display |
| 19:47.38 | mgedmin | Gtk is the way to process X events :-) |
| 19:47.44 | dougt | exactly!! ;-) |
| 19:47.51 | mgedmin | well, gdk is the part of gtk that abstracts X for you, afaiu |
| 19:48.38 | dougt | i want to do something like: |
| 19:48.39 | dougt | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/399787 |
| 19:49.43 | mgedmin | right |
| 19:50.33 | mgedmin | dougt: does it work then? |
| 19:50.42 | dougt | no. |
| 19:50.59 | mgedmin | if not, then maybe you also need to call gdk_input_set_extension_events on the window where you're registering your button callback |
| 19:51.04 | dougt | maybe you can't get pressure data on a button? |
| 19:51.21 | dougt | that is an idea. |
| 19:51.23 | dougt | tries. |
| 19:51.28 | mgedmin | you can get it anywhere, but you need to indicate that in advance, IIRC |
| 19:51.35 | mgedmin | which is where the set_extension_events suggestion comes from |
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| 19:52.15 | mgedmin | is just echoing old conversations from this channel/maemo mailing list and pretending he knows stuff |
| 19:52.31 | mgedmin | google also gives me this example for PyGtk: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtktutorial/sec-addingxinputsupport.html |
| 19:52.50 | mgedmin | xinput is the mechanism for passing pressure information from input devices to applications |
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| 19:54.15 | mgedmin | this was the first google hit for "gdk pressure" by the way |
| 19:54.53 | dougt | cool, that did it. |
| 19:55.03 | dougt | but.... |
| 19:55.07 | dougt | the values are all fucked up. :-) |
| 19:55.24 | dougt | there is no consistency. |
| 19:55.35 | dougt | (thanks mgedmin for googling!) |
| 19:57.32 | mgedmin | http://www.fbreader.org/docs/tapControl.php talks a bit about the pressure values on n8x0 |
| 19:59.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Ok, sorry for sounding like a broken record but is enabling tv equal to enabling v4l2 support in mplayer? Quick answer is all I need :) |
| 19:59.32 | KotCzarny | mplayer says it wasn't compiled with tv support |
| 20:00.31 | dougt | perfect |
| 20:00.40 | dougt | mgedmin: thanks. |
| 20:00.40 | qwerty12_N800 | I mean when compiling :), basically is "tv" the only way to use v4l2 in mplayer. |
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| 20:00.44 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/n800-qemu.png |
| 20:00.50 | hrw | more tomorrow |
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| 20:02.55 | G7KES | Hello, does anyone know how to get the ogg mediaplayer to be the default app for ogg files to that it doesn't ask me what I want to use to open the ogg file every time? |
| 20:04.03 | qwerty12_N800 | look into pipeline's dbus-switchboard. or as media player is built in app, editing defaults.list may be all that is needed |
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| 20:05.51 | G7KES | Ah, defaults.list. I shall hunt that down. Thanks very much. |
| 20:06.02 | G7KES | Gotta go for a fire drill now, but back in a while :-) |
| 20:06.37 | qwerty12_N800 | /usr/share/applications/defaults.list :) |
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| 21:04.45 | smackpotato | whats anyone think of the n810 as a bicycle computer |
| 21:04.52 | smackpotato | http://soundofmotion.com/products/ |
| 21:05.13 | ds3 | ' |
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| 21:13.10 | ||cw | smackpotato: interesting. bet it's rfcomm and so writing an app to use it would be pretty simple |
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| 21:55.44 | ol_schoola | any idea if there is generic webcam support in the kernel? if i could put the guts of a webcam on a flexi rod with a couple of LEDs, we have a poor man's inspection camera |
| 21:56.25 | qwerty12_N800 | If it supports v4l2 and has modules, then yes. |
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| 21:56.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Grab a mplayer & mencoder with v4l2 support as well. |
| 21:57.44 | ol_schoola | hm, dunno crap about webcams and (current) v4l2. must go a-hunting, thanks for the pointers |
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| 22:15.52 | Ikkakujyu | Hmm, I just realized the camera in the N800 is perfect for augmented reality. |
| 22:16.00 | KotCzarny | augmented? |
| 22:16.12 | glass | perfect? |
| 22:16.17 | johnx | an augmented reality of low resolution with the white-balance all wrong? |
| 22:16.20 | glass | far from it |
| 22:16.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:16.38 | Ikkakujyu | Well, by perfect I mean capable. |
| 22:16.54 | Ikkakujyu | i.e. it can point in the right direction, and there's a driver for it. |
| 22:17.02 | glass | it's lowres, if you had for example 2d barcodes on things they'd have to be pretty big for recognition |
| 22:17.22 | glass | of course depends what kind of augmented reality you were thinking of |
| 22:17.31 | Ikkakujyu | ...2d barcodes. |
| 22:17.51 | Ikkakujyu | Though the Klimt project did a pretty good job with crappy cameras on PocketPC :D |
| 22:18.12 | glass | well just about any cam can read 2d barcoes up close |
| 22:18.46 | elb | I had very little luck reading barcodes with the n810 camera |
| 22:18.49 | elb | it's so horribly noisy |
| 22:19.39 | glass | huh |
| 22:21.32 | Ikkakujyu | Eh, Invisible Train uses pretty big barcodes - http://studierstube.icg.tu-graz.ac.at/invisible_train/ |
| 22:21.51 | Ikkakujyu | Would it be too farfetched to hook up a USB webcam? :D |
| 22:22.15 | KotCzarny | power requirements |
| 22:22.39 | KotCzarny | if it draws more than 100mA you need power injector or powered hub |
| 22:23.10 | Ikkakujyu | Hm. |
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| 22:41.50 | fysa | or a battery.. |
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| 22:42.01 | fysa | I mean, you're walking around like a cyborg anyway. |
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| 22:42.15 | fysa | sorry, you said power injector |
| 22:42.16 | fysa | ;) |
| 22:43.55 | fysa | a slim digital camera could work |
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| 22:44.24 | Cptnodegard | yei hurray for mirc scripts missing a } |
| 22:44.28 | fysa | how fast can you process an image, anyway? |
| 22:44.29 | Cptnodegard | -_____- |
| 22:44.33 | KotCzarny | 4fps |
| 22:44.35 | KotCzarny | at full res |
| 22:44.45 | KotCzarny | 16fps at 352x288 |
| 22:44.55 | fysa | would you need to process that fast? |
| 22:45.00 | pupnik | would be nice if N900 had a better camera |
| 22:45.00 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 22:45.07 | KotCzarny | hi pupnik |
| 22:45.16 | KotCzarny | wanna see liqart with aa lines? |
| 22:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | Seems likely, pupnik. |
| 22:45.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | If just because of gradual technological improvements increasing the baseline quality. :D |
| 22:45.41 | fysa | I would think you'd be better off using a higher res capture at less fps. |
| 22:45.45 | fysa | then you can OCR the world |
| 22:45.53 | fysa | and wikipedia it |
| 22:46.06 | KotCzarny | at higher res you must have a steady hand |
| 22:46.15 | KotCzarny | othjerwise your 'scan' would come out.. bendy |
| 22:46.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:46.22 | fysa | use a regular digital camera in CCD mode |
| 22:46.24 | fysa | at 1fps |
| 22:46.24 | fysa | ? |
| 22:46.30 | KotCzarny | use scanner? |
| 22:46.31 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:46.33 | fysa | then you can get 8 megapixel? |
| 22:46.42 | KotCzarny | scanner is even more |
| 22:46.45 | fysa | haha |
| 22:46.49 | fysa | true |
| 22:47.00 | KotCzarny | and gets quite even lighting |
| 22:47.27 | fysa | sew a scanner into a shirt |
| 22:47.29 | pupnik | what is liqart KotCzarny ? |
| 22:47.31 | lcdd | i'd like manufacturers to stop building parts that are utterly useless for any imaginable purpose |
| 22:47.35 | lcdd | like the camera |
| 22:47.48 | KotCzarny | pupnik, join my chan |
| 22:47.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:49.32 | johnx | lcdd, I kind of imagine Nokia going through this parts bin as they made the N800: "Well we have a *ton* of these SD card slots!" "That's fine, give every tablet 2!" "And what should we do with these crappy camera modules...?" |
| 22:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 22:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | Cost-cutting. |
| 22:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | If they used a real camera, they'd have to up the price. |
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| 22:58.19 | pupnik | i'd like a google books reader btw |
| 22:58.19 | lcdd | i guess shipping to customers is just another way of avoiding waste collection fees |
| 22:58.36 | pupnik | something that scrapes google and getches the .gifs |
| 22:59.32 | pupnik | i think the tablets are a great deal |
| 23:03.09 | lcdd | they're not bad overall |
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| 23:09.44 | plb | Anyone know where I can download the echo theme wallpaper? Want to put it on my d2...I luv it ;] |
| 23:10.02 | plb | can't seem to find it online anywhere |
| 23:10.55 | pupnik | it should be on your device if you have it installed |
| 23:11.13 | plb | I don't have it on me =\ |
| 23:11.17 | pupnik | or download the deb and extract the files with "ar x debfilename.deb" |
| 23:12.51 | pupnik | or um.. dpkg -X debfilename.deb . |
| 23:13.12 | plb | hm I'm surprised that wallpaper isn't posted somewhere |
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| 23:16.24 | plb | where can i download echo theme? |
| 23:20.05 | pupnik | try searching http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 23:20.12 | plb | ok thanks |
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| 23:38.10 | KotCzarny | hm |
| 23:38.16 | KotCzarny | is there a gdb for maemo? |
| 23:41.54 | termsig | i dont think so but i`m not sure. |
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| 23:44.24 | KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/gdb/download |
| 23:44.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:45.31 | plb | argh KotCzarny happen to know where I can find default os2008 wallpaper echo? |
| 23:45.47 | KotCzarny | plb, i can put it on my site if you want |
| 23:45.54 | KotCzarny | that will be faster than googling |
| 23:45.54 | plb | please! |
| 23:45.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:45.57 | plb | hehe |
| 23:50.43 | KotCzarny | btw. can you navigate to: /usr/share/backgrounds |
| 23:50.51 | KotCzarny | and tell me if you have echo.png ? |
| 23:50.56 | plb | ya but I'm not on my device atm |
| 23:51.08 | plb | I want to put the bg on my cowon d2 ;] |
| 23:51.14 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:51.25 | KotCzarny | should i.. |
| 23:51.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:51.37 | plb | =P |
| 23:52.02 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/echo.png |
| 23:52.03 | plb | I can't seem to find it anywhere online |
| 23:52.19 | plb | thanks! |
| 23:52.36 | KotCzarny | tell me when you got it |
| 23:52.51 | plb | got it thanks |
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