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| 00:29.20 | dick-richardson | anyone familiar with gpe contacts? I'm looking for a method to export them |
| 00:29.32 | dougt_ | is there a way to turn off the camera light while the camera is enabled? |
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| 00:39.07 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=MaP9eiWuX3s the 'McCain Girls' - it's Raining McCain |
| 00:39.11 | pupnik | for KotCzarny |
| 00:39.17 | Navi | >_> |
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| 00:48.27 | pupnik | heh |
| 00:48.44 | Navi | yay for rss applet source |
| 00:51.47 | Gigabites | in OS2008, is there a way to resize the web shortcut applet? |
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| 00:53.30 | remicles | anybody know how I can get gst-inspect/gst-launch on my n800? |
| 00:57.05 | dougt_ | remicles: yeah. |
| 00:57.32 | dougt_ | vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 00:57.40 | dougt_ | add |
| 00:57.41 | dougt_ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 00:57.45 | remicles | i've tried 'apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools', but that didn't work for os2008 |
| 00:57.45 | dougt_ | apt-get update |
| 00:57.58 | dougt_ | then do the install gstreamer* |
| 00:58.04 | remicles | ok, thanks |
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| 01:01.56 | remicles | thanks, that did it |
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| 01:27.26 | lcuk | needs to sleep |
| 01:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | Don't tell us about it |
| 01:28.44 | GeneralAntilles | do. |
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| 01:41.34 | shapr | @yow ! |
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| 02:04.57 | unixSnob | i just paired a BT headset |
| 02:05.11 | unixSnob | So the question is, how do I make the Gizmo Project app use it? |
| 02:05.27 | unixSnob | it uses the internal speaker by default |
| 02:06.52 | GeneralAntilles | Use rtcomm |
| 02:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you really need video, rtcomm > Gizmo |
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| 02:08.14 | unixSnob | thanks.. looking into it |
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| 02:10.31 | SHADOW6 | Is there any way to use vnc to a desktop |
| 02:11.09 | SHADOW6 | Is there a app? |
| 02:11.57 | SHADOW6 | Compatible with TehN810 |
| 02:12.10 | Navi | x11vnc |
| 02:12.11 | unixSnob | BTW, i don't need video yet.. but are you saying Gizmo s/w is capable of that? |
| 02:12.14 | Navi | or whatever it's called |
| 02:12.24 | SHADOW6 | The N810 |
| 02:13.06 | SHADOW6 | Gizmo is a chat client right? |
| 02:13.44 | Navi | VoIP |
| 02:14.11 | Navi | Gizmo on the NITs can do video |
| 02:14.11 | SHADOW6 | X11vnc will it work with show my pc |
| 02:14.54 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob to other NITs and to Windows. |
| 02:15.52 | unixSnob | Navi, Gizmo is also an IM client (but doesn't support the icq network, so not useful for me in that sense) |
| 02:16.23 | SHADOW6 | The problem with the chat apps eveyone else i know only uses meebo,msn and yahoo |
| 02:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | Then use msn and yahoo |
| 02:16.35 | SHADOW6 | Ah |
| 02:16.40 | unixSnob | Cool.. If I manage to motivate friends to get a NIT, video chat will be cool |
| 02:16.50 | Navi | meebo is a multiprotocol web client |
| 02:16.58 | unixSnob | guess I don't need IM bad enough to change networks |
| 02:17.05 | SHADOW6 | Yahoo and msn dont use video |
| 02:17.09 | GeneralAntilles | Collabora has telepathy haze/salut/etc plugins for rtcomm if you don't feel like installing the beta. |
| 02:17.12 | unixSnob | icq might be worth it though |
| 02:17.14 | Navi | SHADOW6, they can do video |
| 02:17.19 | unixSnob | s/icq/irc/ |
| 02:17.32 | Navi | Jabber > * |
| 02:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, xchat is the way to go. |
| 02:18.25 | unixSnob | nice! I use x-chat aqua on the mac.. so i'm pleased to hear there is a NIT port for it |
| 02:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ew |
| 02:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | x-chat aqua is gross. :P |
| 02:19.06 | unixSnob | well my taste in IRC clients isn't really seasoned.. I was out of IRC for 10 years.. until recently |
| 02:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | Colloquy is the best I've found on the Mac. |
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| 02:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | Still not that great. |
| 02:19.28 | unixSnob | hmm.. I rejected that one for some reason |
| 02:19.37 | unixSnob | is colloquy commercial? |
| 02:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's basically Adium IRC |
| 02:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | GPL |
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| 02:20.01 | unixSnob | trying to recall why i rejected it.. does it have tabbed interface? |
| 02:20.01 | SHADOW6 | I just want a app install of meebo so i can chat on any im mobile |
| 02:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 02:20.08 | unixSnob | I insist on tabs for irc |
| 02:20.16 | unixSnob | hmm.. not sure why I rejected it then |
| 02:20.19 | GeneralAntilles | SHADOW6, rtcomm |
| 02:20.34 | SHADOW6 | ? |
| 02:20.44 | SHADOW6 | Whats that |
| 02:20.58 | unixSnob | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 02:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 02:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | erm |
| 02:21.07 | GeneralAntilles | yeah |
| 02:21.39 | unixSnob | wonders if rtcomm supports otr (off the record) |
| 02:22.03 | Navi | Doubt it |
| 02:22.06 | SHADOW6 | Pidgin can broadcast video tho |
| 02:22.11 | Navi | wonders why it matters |
| 02:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm is libpurple |
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| 02:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | It can support everything Pidgin suppports. |
| 02:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | "broadcast"? |
| 02:22.45 | unixSnob | wonders why anyone would wonder how encryption is useful |
| 02:22.46 | SHADOW6 | +More? |
| 02:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm does video through GTalk |
| 02:23.18 | SHADOW6 | What about yahoo |
| 02:23.30 | Navi | wonders why anyone would care about what you're chatting about |
| 02:24.00 | unixSnob | wonders why anyone would not care about privacy |
| 02:24.15 | SHADOW6 | Kicks Navi |
| 02:24.29 | Navi | wonders why anyone would care about invading your privacy in the first place |
| 02:24.37 | Navi | It's not like you're important enough for someone to care. |
| 02:25.14 | unixSnob | it's not only people that are targetted.. sometimes it's words |
| 02:25.27 | SHADOW6 | ??? Im talking about viod chat to yahoo |
| 02:25.34 | SHADOW6 | Video |
| 02:25.41 | GeneralAntilles | They're not talking to you. |
| 02:26.12 | Navi | Pfft |
| 02:26.50 | SHADOW6 | EB |
| 02:27.10 | unixSnob | Privacy is a good policy, by default. I actually look for justification to transmit in the clear.. I never look for justification to encrypt |
| 02:27.20 | SHADOW6 | E: |
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| 02:30.12 | SHADOW6 | There is no such thing as privacy satitlites can see u, web cams world wide can be veiwed and any thing programable can be hacked. I could be on your pc now |
| 02:30.59 | skibur | cool, my BT Headset works with my N800 |
| 02:31.00 | skibur | :P |
| 02:31.18 | GeneralAntilles | Somehow I doubt it, SHADOW6. |
| 02:31.21 | SHADOW6 | Privacy is fought for |
| 02:31.32 | Navi | In any case, anyone care for the RSS applet to display more headlines at a time? |
| 02:31.36 | unixSnob | shadow6, seeing encrypted content isn't very useful |
| 02:31.51 | Navi | If so, then I'll upload teh package >_> |
| 02:31.55 | GeneralAntilles | The idea isn't to stop them outright most of the time |
| 02:31.59 | Navi | If not, I'm too lazy to |
| 02:32.03 | skibur | Sounds alright |
| 02:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | but to make it more difficult than its worth. |
| 02:32.12 | unixSnob | Echelon doesn't do its viewing from home computers |
| 02:32.15 | skibur | Didn't think I could get it to work |
| 02:32.24 | SHADOW6 | Im a amiture hacker = knows little |
| 02:32.45 | SHADOW6 | Decrypt the content |
| 02:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | Decryption these days is incredibly time consuming. |
| 02:33.30 | unixSnob | well, the idea is that you protect what you can, and increase the expense of the eavesdropping beyond the value of the data |
| 02:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | Economics plays into even security. :P |
| 02:33.59 | unixSnob | right.. and often more time consuming than the life of that data requires |
| 02:35.00 | SHADOW6 | I like to study this stuff and screwing with pcs isnt to hard its haveing the knolage to do so that is the problem |
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| 02:35.24 | lcuk | SHADOW6, write a maemo app which will take pictures of everyone - please we need more code |
| 02:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | Go to bed. |
| 02:36.03 | SHADOW6 | Everyone as in who |
| 02:36.25 | unixSnob | Guess n800 users would be sufficiently protected from that lcuk (since the camera can be pushed into the chassis) :P |
| 02:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | "Open the camera to win uh million dollars!" |
| 02:36.48 | unixSnob | n810 users would be screwed ;) |
| 02:36.50 | SHADOW6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.13 | unixSnob | shadow - better cover it with electrical tape! |
| 02:37.18 | lcuk | get a sticker then |
| 02:37.19 | SHADOW6 | Thumb cover cam |
| 02:37.31 | lcuk | ive got one already over my ambient sensor |
| 02:37.43 | SHADOW6 | Lol |
| 02:38.03 | SHADOW6 | Y |
| 02:38.48 | SHADOW6 | The sensor save u energy not much |
| 02:39.25 | unixSnob | i may be getting a security clearance soon.. so I actually will be targetted |
| 02:39.39 | unixSnob | (for eavesdropping, that is) |
| 02:39.49 | fysa | :P |
| 02:40.45 | unixSnob | well, on second thought.. perhaps not. It's probably a low clearance, since it's from a foreign country. |
| 02:41.17 | unixSnob | I doubt foreigners would be able to get a high clearance |
| 02:43.04 | SHADOW6 | Hack a day.com gives u a intro quote intro to veiw web cams world wide and cotrol them http://www.hackaday.com/2005/01/14/geocamming-unsecurity-cameras-revisited/ |
| 02:44.00 | SHADOW6 | Among many other things |
| 02:46.14 | SHADOW6 | Ive viewed puppy mills,hospitals,streets,malls , yesterday i was viewing someones in home security camera |
| 02:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | Script kiddie |
| 02:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | nice. |
| 02:47.06 | unixSnob | I'm trying to determine how much of that is really hacking.. aren't those published streams you're getting? |
| 02:48.07 | SHADOW6 | Hacker thw word = one who has inside knolage of computers |
| 02:48.13 | *** part/#maemo vivijim (n=vivijim@unaffiliated/vivijim) |
| 02:48.36 | unixSnob | well, there are many meanings |
| 02:49.03 | SHADOW6 | Actuly they are web cams that hvent been passworded on a network |
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| 02:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | So, who wants to help me improve the maemo wiki pages? |
| 02:49.22 | Navi | Not me |
| 02:49.25 | Navi | said the dog |
| 02:49.27 | GeneralAntilles | usuk. |
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| 02:50.17 | SHADOW6 | This isnt considerd hacking but breaking into is aka passwords |
| 02:50.52 | SHADOW6 | I can help |
| 02:51.19 | SHADOW6 | BUT HOW <.< |
| 02:52.04 | SHADOW6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.12 | unixSnob | the ones at wikipedia, or maemo.org? |
| 02:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | wikipedia |
| 02:52.45 | SHADOW6 | I be wiki member |
| 02:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | Signup is free. |
| 02:53.14 | SHADOW6 | 0times6 my wiki user name |
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| 02:54.57 | SHADOW6 | What are u planning on doing? |
| 02:55.08 | Navi | Hacking you. |
| 02:55.23 | unixSnob | The page looks good.. accurate and concise |
| 02:55.48 | Navi | Too short and not enough info. |
| 02:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 02:56.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's a first draft. |
| 02:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | Needs way more content. |
| 02:56.09 | Navi | Not even a complete draft. |
| 02:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | I need somebody to flesh out the SDK section (better overview, technical/package details, use) |
| 02:56.53 | GeneralAntilles | ITOS section needs a real introduction |
| 02:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | and some API/package and major feature changes for each release. |
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| 02:57.47 | SHADOW6 | Oy 1sec let met see the page |
| 03:00.13 | SHADOW6 | Hmm looks good |
| 03:00.56 | SHADOW6 | Forgot sie owner, year started.... |
| 03:01.02 | SHADOW6 | Site |
| 03:02.16 | SHADOW6 | This info can be found easy in googles seach |
| 03:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know where to get the info. |
| 03:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | I KNOW the info |
| 03:03.08 | pupnik | cool url re those net cams |
| 03:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | I just don't want to be the only one investing time in the articles. |
| 03:04.05 | Navi | Then don't. |
| 03:04.22 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: i did some work on the gamedev page |
| 03:04.50 | pupnik | i'll do more some time, but i don't have any wiki-fu |
| 03:04.51 | SHADOW6 | Ahh honesty i new to maemo so if i can help ill try |
| 03:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | s/articles./articles. :P/ |
| 03:05.20 | pupnik | well you're not |
| 03:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | Wikipedia has a gamedev article? |
| 03:06.04 | SHADOW6 | Umm wtf is game dev? |
| 03:06.24 | pupnik | game development |
| 03:06.42 | SHADOW6 | Ahh |
| 03:07.05 | pupnik | lol scanning some bedroom at the moment |
| 03:07.08 | SHADOW6 | Thought it was like ign |
| 03:07.22 | KotCzarny | perv |
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| 03:08.08 | SHADOW6 | Um ponsite he webcams to so carefull |
| 03:08.16 | SHADOW6 | Have |
| 03:08.41 | Navi | ksoftirqd is taking 100% cpu |
| 03:08.46 | Navi | anyone know what it is? |
| 03:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. |
| 03:09.00 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, no effect |
| 03:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | Harder |
| 03:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/9/ksoftirqd.html |
| 03:09.20 | SHADOW6 | Oops bat-steel |
| 03:10.29 | Navi | apparently, my N800 is under very heavy soft interrupt load. |
| 03:10.34 | pupnik | haha now google is blocking the search |
| 03:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | Bad state of affairs to be in, Navi. |
| 03:11.38 | SHADOW6 | Try a differeny cam search ( bottom in blue) |
| 03:11.56 | Navi | What's heavier, 100lb of feathers, or 100lb of bowling balls? |
| 03:12.32 | SHADOW6 | What u c in de bed room ? :D |
| 03:12.38 | shapr | 100 pounds of confused users? |
| 03:12.41 | pupnik | darkness |
| 03:13.03 | Navi | weird |
| 03:13.05 | KotCzarny | masterbedroom? |
| 03:13.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:13.19 | Navi | Anyone try out Android on the N8X0s yet? |
| 03:13.23 | pupnik | neat lawrence berkley national laboratory http://bl1202cam.als.lbl.gov/ViewerFrame?Mode=Refresh&Resolution=640x480&Quality=Clarity&Interval=30&Size=STD&PresetOperation=Save&Language=5 |
| 03:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, is eht awesome?!!1 |
| 03:13.51 | pupnik | haha who's moving the cam |
| 03:13.55 | Navi | I DUN KNO TATS Y I ASK |
| 03:14.03 | johnx | Navi, nope, but I tried it on the zaurus |
| 03:14.13 | Navi | Was it fun? |
| 03:14.17 | johnx | no reliable touchscreen is kind of a deal breaker |
| 03:14.24 | johnx | it's fun for about 10 minutes though |
| 03:14.30 | johnx | and their web browser is good |
| 03:14.47 | Navi | How good? |
| 03:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, did you see Quim's request for the top platform components that the community'd want open sourced? |
| 03:14.59 | johnx | O_o |
| 03:15.05 | johnx | just got up |
| 03:15.13 | Proteous | it's like 8pm |
| 03:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's old, actually. |
| 03:15.16 | Navi | Old news! |
| 03:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | I just noticed it on bugzilla a few weeks ago. |
| 03:15.45 | Navi | People are just going to pick sucky stuff anyways |
| 03:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 |
| 03:16.01 | johnx | thanks |
| 03:16.01 | pupnik | how about something that makes maemo more useful for mamona |
| 03:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | I figure you're more qualified than most to reply to that. :P |
| 03:16.28 | johnx | heh...I'll just reply with something *I* want though :P |
| 03:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm assuming that's something that'll ease Debian along, though, right? |
| 03:17.03 | unixSnob | damnit pupnik - quit moving the camera right! I'm trying to see what's on the left! |
| 03:17.20 | pupnik | i'm not moving it! |
| 03:17.32 | unixSnob | just messing with you man |
| 03:17.35 | pupnik | cool stuff though |
| 03:17.40 | unixSnob | yeah |
| 03:17.44 | pupnik | blinkenlights :) |
| 03:17.52 | SHADOW6 | http://66.209.109.2:60006/ViewerFrame?Mode=Refresh&Resolution=320x240&Quality=Standard&PresetOperation=Move&Language=11 |
| 03:17.59 | SHADOW6 | In a home |
| 03:18.54 | shapr | So... canola won't start for me. |
| 03:18.55 | unixSnob | gotta mission for ya shadow6: find us a female dorm cam! |
| 03:19.10 | KotCzarny | shapr: what's the error? |
| 03:19.17 | unixSnob | doesn't have to be the showers.. bedrooms will be adequate |
| 03:19.18 | shapr | canola2 beta8, that is... on my chinook using n800 |
| 03:19.22 | shapr | KotCzarny: No error, just nothing. |
| 03:19.30 | KotCzarny | try running from terminal? |
| 03:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | python-launcher? |
| 03:20.02 | shapr | KotCzarny: Got the same thing, nothing at all. |
| 03:20.06 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 03:20.07 | shapr | I tried "canolad start" |
| 03:20.12 | shapr | and then canola, still nothing. |
| 03:20.13 | SHADOW6 | Ha ha |
| 03:20.17 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming yesâuninstall python-launcher, purge Canola with canola-cleaner reboot, reinstall |
| 03:20.24 | shapr | I have a bunch of apps installed, maybe something else is conflicting? |
| 03:20.32 | skibur | what would be a nice size for a movie on the N800? |
| 03:20.32 | shapr | GeneralAntilles: Oh, I do have python-launcher installed. |
| 03:20.35 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | python-launch, shapr. |
| 03:20.37 | GeneralAntilles | Right. |
| 03:20.38 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 03:20.40 | SHADOW6 | U need to install tunning |
| 03:20.43 | shapr | aha, I'll rip that out. |
| 03:20.44 | shapr | thanks. |
| 03:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | skibur, 500px horizontal works pretty well for me |
| 03:21.22 | GeneralAntilles | little bit of framedrop with high-action stuff, though. |
| 03:21.37 | skibur | ok |
| 03:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | sub-500px stuff is more of a sure-thing |
| 03:21.50 | skibur | I have 640mb movie |
| 03:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | 400x240 is a definite sure-thing |
| 03:22.03 | skibur | ok |
| 03:22.12 | skibur | 500px and 400x240 |
| 03:22.15 | GeneralAntilles | Most, *ahem* bittorrent stuff works fine for me without extra effort. |
| 03:22.16 | skibur | what do you use |
| 03:22.19 | skibur | mencoder? |
| 03:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | mediautils.garage.maemo.org |
| 03:22.35 | SHADOW6 | I think i found a disney land webcam |
| 03:22.55 | SHADOW6 | http://wcam3.iacm.gov.mo/ViewerFrame?Direction=PanLeft2000&Mode=Refresh&Resolution=640x480&Quality=Clarity&Interval=30&Size=STD&PresetOperation=Move&Language=5 |
| 03:23.19 | KotCzarny | gov.mo ? |
| 03:23.54 | skibur | will it take avi format? |
| 03:24.58 | skibur | o ok |
| 03:25.00 | pupnik | skibur: i crunch them to around 400MB |
| 03:25.13 | skibur | its based on mencoder |
| 03:25.15 | skibur | nice |
| 03:26.14 | shapr | Wow, lots of stuff cleaned up. |
| 03:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | Lotta dependencies. |
| 03:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | Python stuff, media handles and scanners, rendering libraries, etc, etc, etc |
| 03:28.30 | shapr | Ok, rebooted, now reinstalling canola. |
| 03:28.30 | pupnik | SHADOW6: lol that cam is from the The Official Provisional Municipal Council of Macau |
| 03:28.50 | skibur | Anybody booting straight to KDE on their tablet yet? |
| 03:29.04 | SHADOW6 | O cartoony house =green hmm mus be disnely land |
| 03:29.44 | pupnik | it's in southeast asia, bordering china |
| 03:30.06 | pupnik | http://geography.about.com/library/cia/blcmacau.htm |
| 03:30.10 | unixSnob | what is gov.mo? Someone just mentioned it to me at the same time Kot posted it |
| 03:30.17 | unixSnob | it's a dead link for me |
| 03:30.52 | pupnik | dude, the sun isn't shining on disneyland. It's shining over asia. |
| 03:30.59 | shapr | Bah, I was hoping to get http://mae.mo/ but you only get second level names from Macao. |
| 03:31.17 | KotCzarny | my.mae.mo ? |
| 03:31.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:31.34 | shapr | KotCzarny: Yeah, would be a good community site name :-) |
| 03:31.50 | KotCzarny | finding.mae.mo |
| 03:34.01 | shapr | GeneralAntilles: Yay! Thanks! |
| 03:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 03:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, they'll have you take it down, anyway. |
| 03:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's Nokia's trademark. |
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| 03:36.55 | shapr | Yeah, true. |
| 03:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | See maemoapps.com -> nitapps.com |
| 03:38.13 | SHADOW6 | Look he be drunk lol http://www.ruuhiskamera.ath.cx/view/indexFrame.shtml |
| 03:39.20 | SHADOW6 | Well a sec ago he could barly stand |
| 03:39.42 | SHADOW6 | Not drunk.....? |
| 03:39.59 | pupnik | aww he left |
| 03:40.21 | pupnik | we should have a simple webcam stylee app for the N8x0 |
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| 03:42.24 | shapr | Yeah, I'm surprised there isn't one. |
| 03:42.24 | KotCzarny | most of those cams are from japan |
| 03:43.34 | pupnik | looks snowy |
| 03:44.40 | SHADOW6 | Londen mus have a shit load of cams |
| 03:44.43 | KotCzarny | what do you want from webcam app? |
| 03:44.51 | SHADOW6 | London |
| 03:45.07 | KotCzarny | i bet it can be written in sh |
| 03:45.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:45.16 | SHADOW6 | Video audio snap shot |
| 03:45.19 | unixSnob | yeah, i'd expect london to have complete coverage |
| 03:45.47 | KotCzarny | http://219.115.177.172/ViewerFrame?Mode=Refresh&Language=7 |
| 03:45.53 | KotCzarny | some radio studio |
| 03:45.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:46.39 | unixSnob | keep trying.. that's not a dorm room either |
| 03:46.49 | KotCzarny | http://iozoonc3.city.miyazaki.miyazaki.jp/ViewerFrame?Mode=Refresh&Resolution=320x240&Quality=Standard&Interval=30&Size=Expand&PresetOperation=Move&Language=4 |
| 03:46.51 | KotCzarny | zoo |
| 03:46.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:47.59 | unixSnob | hey, I can't get off on animals man |
| 03:48.11 | unixSnob | specially porky pines |
| 03:48.19 | KotCzarny | that's a giraffe |
| 03:48.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:48.35 | pupnik | radio announcer person is kind of cute |
| 03:48.41 | shapr | Um, how do I build a playlist with canola? |
| 03:49.01 | shapr | I think I've checked all the menus, yet I cannot see how to select multiple files. |
| 03:49.19 | KotCzarny | you don't |
| 03:49.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:49.30 | KotCzarny | it's ipodish |
| 03:49.37 | shapr | :-( |
| 03:49.42 | KotCzarny | when they get browse by file mode as i want it |
| 03:49.46 | shapr | Also, how do I get canola to recognize oggs? |
| 03:49.56 | KotCzarny | then one could simply prepare dirs :) |
| 03:50.26 | SHADOW6 | I passed up a few porn site cams but forgot where they are lol |
| 03:50.32 | shapr | I have one of the ogg packages installed, whichever is not mogg. |
| 03:50.54 | shapr | tries installing mogg |
| 03:51.23 | KotCzarny | hmm, that masterbedroom cam looks like one of them, though inactive right now |
| 03:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, see the Canola forum on ITT |
| 03:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | and #canola |
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| 03:56.07 | KotCzarny | looking at those webcams i assume n8x0 isn't that bad ;) |
| 03:56.27 | opendeep | hi |
| 03:56.53 | jitu3485 | opendeep Hi |
| 03:57.50 | jitu3485 | opendeep so what you are doing now after a break up with your girlfriend |
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| 04:03.20 | SHADOW6 | Hmm iv found sw airlines web cam but all xxx cams seem to be off or dissabled |
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| 04:05.13 | SHADOW6 | Quiet to quiet |
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| 04:05.44 | pupnik | ok the japanese radio station ppl seemed to notice us |
| 04:05.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:05.59 | SHADOW6 | Link |
| 04:06.01 | pupnik | booo end of sending |
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| 04:08.04 | SHADOW6 | China and japan seem to have many cams |
| 04:11.09 | pupnik | ah the radio station is fm takarazuka |
| 04:11.20 | SHADOW6 | Well it be late so see ya latter.. |
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| 04:28.28 | shapr | Argh, canola doesn't handle ogg with either of the ogg or mogg packages installed. |
| 04:28.29 | shapr | SUCK! |
| 04:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=114142 ? |
| 04:29.56 | shapr | looks |
| 04:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's mplayer |
| 04:30.06 | GeneralAntilles | so it should just be as simple as getting lms to index them. |
| 04:32.04 | shapr | spiffy |
| 04:32.11 | shapr | Now I wonder if it can do FLAC files too... |
| 04:32.44 | shapr | Bah, I'll finish this tomorrow. |
| 04:33.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:33.07 | KotCzarny | shapr: do you like xmms? |
| 04:33.32 | pupnik | solmumaha got xmms2 going also |
| 04:33.42 | shapr | KotCzarny: Nah, I use mpd |
| 04:33.46 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 04:33.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:33.57 | shapr | I saw libmpd0 in the packages, that would be nice... |
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| 04:35.03 | shapr | Anyway, I got the BUG SDK working tonight, I'll try to get maemo dev working tomorrow night. |
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| 04:44.54 | ^Jsn | is there a way to select all updates and download them when updates are available in os2008, instead of having to click on each one individually and install it? |
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| 04:46.10 | Navi | ^Jsn, wait for Diablo |
| 04:46.19 | ^Jsn | what is diablo? |
| 04:46.38 | Navi | The next 4.1 |
| 04:46.43 | Navi | s/next // |
| 04:46.47 | Navi | oh god |
| 04:46.50 | Navi | 4.1 |
| 04:47.06 | johnx | Either that or make a deal with the devil himself to make updating easier |
| 04:47.23 | ^Jsn | lol |
| 04:47.36 | ^Jsn | diablo is the application manager? |
| 04:48.14 | johnx | Diablo is the next operating system release |
| 04:48.16 | Navi | It's the codename of the next release |
| 04:48.21 | ^Jsn | oh ok |
| 04:48.26 | johnx | the current OS2008 is chinook, OS2007 was bora |
| 04:48.28 | dospod | any other info on diablo than the name |
| 04:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | Lots, dospod. |
| 04:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | See ITT |
| 04:48.45 | ^Jsn | lol how long is diablo supposed to take? |
| 04:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | "Q2 2008" |
| 04:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | July at the latest. |
| 04:49.04 | ^Jsn | cool |
| 04:49.16 | johnx | also, It will come with free ice-cream, and it will make any computer it touches have wimax |
| 04:49.22 | Navi | WOO |
| 04:49.30 | Navi | My PC can touch it with Bluetooth. |
| 04:49.34 | ^Jsn | are there any other application managers for maemo besides the one that is installed? |
| 04:49.47 | johnx | GUI app managers? no |
| 04:49.56 | johnx | but there is apt-get, which all the cool kids use |
| 04:50.03 | Navi | unless you count synaptic |
| 04:50.14 | johnx | eh? someone got synaptic running O_o |
| 04:50.15 | Navi | which is "pah" at best |
| 04:50.34 | ^Jsn | will apt-get update update all of the installed packages, or does it just update the repos? |
| 04:50.35 | johnx | s/ing/g?/g |
| 04:51.11 | dospod | what flavor ice cream does diablo come with ? |
| 04:51.20 | johnx | boot to the head! |
| 04:51.32 | johnx | :D |
| 04:51.37 | Navi | ^Jsn, it'll update the repos |
| 04:51.44 | KotCzarny | johnx: :) |
| 04:51.47 | johnx | ^Jsn, eh? apt-get update: updates the list of available packages, and apt-get upgrade: pulls down new versions of packages |
| 04:51.51 | ^Jsn | thats what i thought |
| 04:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get upgrade will upgrade packages, but it may break things depending on the repos you have installed. |
| 04:52.18 | ^Jsn | oh ok |
| 04:52.36 | dospod | ok does anybody know what flavor of ice cream diablo comes with |
| 04:52.42 | Navi | A lot of reboot-loop fun |
| 04:53.01 | Navi | dospod, the flavor you hate the most |
| 04:53.08 | johnx | I already told you, "boot to the head" flavor |
| 04:53.16 | Navi | it _is_ the devil we're talking about, here. |
| 04:53.26 | dospod | dammit strawberry |
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| 04:53.30 | dospod | I cant even eat it |
| 04:53.32 | dospod | : \ |
| 04:53.40 | Navi | I love strawberry |
| 04:53.47 | Navi | I'll trade you |
| 04:53.57 | Navi | My least favorite is coconut. |
| 04:54.04 | dospod | ohh ill mix that : ) |
| 04:54.09 | johnx | both of those sound delicious |
| 04:54.32 | pupnik | the frantics! |
| 04:54.40 | johnx | hasn't met an ice cream flavor he didn't like |
| 04:54.47 | pupnik | i have |
| 04:54.48 | dospod | Ill make a fkn mixed milk shake |
| 04:55.00 | pupnik | you know the frantics - 'boot to the head' johnx? |
| 04:55.01 | Navi | johnx, I'll make you a puke flavored one if you'd like. |
| 04:55.20 | johnx | Navi, :( |
| 04:55.40 | johnx | pupnik, aaah, that's who did it originally. I saw some redone version on youtube |
| 04:56.17 | pupnik | they have some great sketches - 'the weight loss clinic' and 'driving chicks mad' are classics |
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| 04:56.27 | ^Jsn | does anyone else have problems updateing apps where it says that the app is for another operating system and may harm your system? I'm thinking its a repo problem |
| 04:56.39 | pupnik | another operating system? |
| 04:56.57 | pupnik | non-nokia apps will give a warning |
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| 04:57.13 | ^Jsn | it's not that warning. i'm used to that one |
| 04:57.21 | Navi | Hrm |
| 04:57.35 | johnx | is it the one about an updated version being found in another repo? |
| 04:57.53 | ^Jsn | the error is "unable to install." "Software contains updates to packages installed from a different source and is likely to harm the system. Contact the software author." |
| 04:58.52 | johnx | yup, that's the one |
| 04:58.53 | pupnik | what package causes this? have you contacted the packager? |
| 04:58.58 | Navi | If I want to get info from a file with fgets and pass the FILE pointer to another function, do I have to pass the FILE pointer by reference to be able to continue from where fgets left off? |
| 04:59.37 | ^Jsn | gnokii-gconf, hildon-input-method, libhildon-im-ui3, map and phonelink |
| 04:59.40 | johnx | pupnik, it just happens when you install software A form source X and a more up to date version of A becomes available from source Y |
| 04:59.41 | ^Jsn | no i havent |
| 05:00.00 | Navi | This is C, I'm asking about. |
| 05:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | The answer is D, Navi, all of the above. |
| 05:00.43 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, :( |
| 05:01.14 | ^Jsn | does anyone know how i can fix my prob? |
| 05:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | Map you can uninstall and reinstall |
| 05:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | The rest you can use Red Pill (temporarily) to force. |
| 05:02.26 | johnx | or use apt-get if that's your thing :) |
| 05:03.38 | ^Jsn | another prob that is driving me crazy is the "connecting to pop3 server" dialog popup that clawsmail brings up when it tries to check for new mail. If your not connected to the net, the dialog stays up and does not go away. It covers the top right corner of your screen so you can't select the wifi icon or shut down clawsmail. The only option is to reboot. Does anyone know how to disable that dialog? |
| 05:04.16 | GeneralAntilles | Use Modest |
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| 05:05.04 | ^Jsn | i had modest but clawsmail seems like more of a full featured mail reader |
| 05:05.22 | Navi | Define full featured |
| 05:05.40 | ^Jsn | is there a hot key to bring up the process manager? |
| 05:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | There is no process manager. |
| 05:06.17 | ^Jsn | allows plugins, nicer GUI, more customizable options |
| 05:06.31 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, well, there's top :P |
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| 05:07.03 | ^Jsn | whats top? |
| 05:08.09 | johnx | a command line program that lists processes and lets you kill them |
| 05:08.51 | Navi | Doesn't have to be kill; you can send any signal |
| 05:10.33 | ^Jsn | cool that looks good enough for me |
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| 05:11.14 | ^Jsn | well thanks for the help everyone. I'm off to bed. |
| 05:11.21 | Navi | night |
| 05:11.26 | ^Jsn | night |
| 05:16.07 | KotCzarny | There was an unusual problem serving the requested URL '/cgi-bin/w3cam.cgi'. |
| 05:16.16 | KotCzarny | i love unusual problems |
| 05:16.59 | johnx | ah, so different than the usual problems they have |
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| 05:42.25 | KotCzarny | [1] Somebody stole the video device, lets hope we got his picture: Invalid argument |
| 05:42.31 | KotCzarny | thieves! |
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| 05:48.59 | qwerty12 | Just a quick q, does incorrectly setting up a program for dBUS (I don't mean in code but by modification of desktop file & making dbus service file) make dbus quit the program after a min? |
| 05:49.26 | johnx | I think I've heard something like that before |
| 05:49.39 | johnx | ...something about the name of the program not matching everywhere |
| 05:50.06 | qwerty12 | Goes, I've been quickly hacking XMMS, but I got what I wanted without dbus. I think I'll just remove it. |
| 05:50.11 | qwerty12 | Thanks, btw. |
| 05:50.53 | pupnik | hacking xmms? |
| 05:51.01 | pupnik | works ok here, with LANG=C |
| 05:51.07 | qwerty12 | Yep, I got the desktop icon to display ;) |
| 05:51.26 | pupnik | when i reinstalled latest version it displayd here |
| 05:51.59 | qwerty12 | I mean so you can task switch :), I don't think thats ever appeared on the maemo port unless you use non-matchbox wm |
| 05:52.15 | qwerty12 | brb, a sec |
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| 05:54.02 | qwerty12 | Like this: http://i27.tinypic.com/213gidh.png :) |
| 05:54.22 | qwerty12 | (Yes, I am aware at the lack of tracks but that's because I store them on my W810 :D) |
| 05:54.48 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 05:55.02 | pupnik | task switch? xmms hides in the corner and doesn't get in your way |
| 05:55.12 | pupnik | that's the beauty of it. leave the playlist up and minimized |
| 05:55.17 | pupnik | and you can always see the song title |
| 05:55.30 | pupnik | i put it above the applet bar usually |
| 05:55.44 | pupnik | did you see the beautiful japanese valley KotCzarny ? |
| 05:55.58 | KotCzarny | pupnik: you mean that vid? |
| 05:56.01 | qwerty12 | But once you minimise, without xmmsctrl or kciconsbox, you cannot restore it. I prefer to keep it fully minimised and able to brought back when I wish |
| 05:56.01 | pupnik | yea |
| 05:56.17 | KotCzarny | i started to watch it |
| 05:56.24 | pupnik | yeah that's nice. if you could post how you did it qwerty12 that'd be useful |
| 05:56.24 | KotCzarny | then i saw 3 fat chicks |
| 05:56.36 | pupnik | http://camera.myohoji.or.jp:60001/ViewerFrame?Mode=Refresh&Resolution=640x480&Quality=Clarity&Interval=30&Size=STD&PresetOperation=Move&Language=4 |
| 05:56.38 | pupnik | no fat chicks |
| 05:56.53 | pupnik | gettin dark there now |
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| 05:57.02 | qwerty12 | pupnik, I plan to on ITT, the thing is, I didn't really make any changes to XMMS... |
| 05:57.05 | KotCzarny | ah. nature. yes i saw it |
| 05:57.26 | KotCzarny | qwerty: i plan on making desktop applet for minimized icons |
| 05:57.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:57.33 | qwerty12 | Nice :) |
| 05:57.45 | KotCzarny | but it's on 'planned' list |
| 05:57.59 | KotCzarny | kciconsbox was a testcase if it's even possible |
| 05:58.27 | qwerty12 | I find it v.useful, I just run from one of the many launcher applets I have |
| 05:58.47 | KotCzarny | pity it's python |
| 05:59.02 | KotCzarny | i will redo it in raw xlib ;) |
| 05:59.13 | KotCzarny | but it won't be that nice anymore |
| 05:59.17 | qwerty12 | But I notice, I only get minimised icon if I enable show window manager decorations. |
| 05:59.21 | KotCzarny | but will load faster :) |
| 05:59.24 | qwerty12 | If it works better, go for it :P :) |
| 05:59.43 | KotCzarny | qwerty: but with decorations it's getting big |
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| 06:01.24 | qwerty12 | Sizewise? or codewise? |
| 06:01.32 | KotCzarny | sizewise |
| 06:01.47 | KotCzarny | i like it when it doesn't take whole screen for itself |
| 06:01.56 | KotCzarny | so i can keep it over my session of mahjonng |
| 06:01.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:02.12 | qwerty12 | True :), that actually reminds me of another hack I did ;) |
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| 06:17.24 | opendeep | hello Nickserv |
| 06:20.51 | pupnik | hahaha someone made a usb game controller that shocks the player |
| 06:21.02 | KotCzarny | fun.. |
| 06:21.12 | KotCzarny | sounds like a sex toy for pervs |
| 06:21.18 | qwerty12 | lol, wouldn't want to lose in that game >.< |
| 06:22.10 | KotCzarny | hmm, using mencoder to grab a frame from camera is an overkill, right? |
| 06:22.49 | pupnik | is the camera exposed through v4l? |
| 06:22.53 | johnx | err..it depends on if you already have it |
| 06:22.58 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:22.59 | johnx | s/it/mplayer/g |
| 06:23.02 | KotCzarny | but i see misc errors |
| 06:23.06 | pupnik | can i mplayer the camera device? |
| 06:23.07 | KotCzarny | while trying to use it |
| 06:23.16 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:23.19 | pupnik | cmd line? |
| 06:23.22 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:23.28 | pupnik | what is it? |
| 06:23.57 | KotCzarny | mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=176:height=144:device=/dev/video0 |
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| 06:25.00 | pupnik | hmm mine says mplayer was compiled without tv interface support |
| 06:25.13 | KotCzarny | then compile it with it |
| 06:25.18 | KotCzarny | or use my binary |
| 06:25.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:25.27 | qwerty12 | pupnik, there's a v4l build already available |
| 06:25.35 | pupnik | on garage? |
| 06:25.41 | pupnik | where 2 download? |
| 06:25.44 | pupnik | this could be fun |
| 06:26.07 | qwerty12 | on a blog somewhere, but KotCzarny's got a build too on his site |
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| 06:27.09 | qwerty12 | Here's one build I saw : http://blog.locationist.net/2008/03/19/usb-otg-goes-webcam/ |
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| 06:28.10 | pupnik | tty |
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| 06:29.11 | qwerty12 | Np, I would assume KotCzarny's build is here http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mpu_h/mplayer.bz2 :P (?) |
| 06:29.36 | KotCzarny | hmm, i think it's a build with gst enabled |
| 06:29.49 | qwerty12 | my bad >.< |
| 06:30.01 | KotCzarny | i have made new dir |
| 06:30.03 | KotCzarny | binaries |
| 06:31.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.38 | KotCzarny | to be exact |
| 06:31.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:32.08 | qwerty12 | Nice :), I quite enjoy looking through your N800 dir :D |
| 06:32.19 | KotCzarny | it's a mess. |
| 06:32.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:32.33 | qwerty12 | Even better :p |
| 06:33.06 | KotCzarny | aa-lib isn't available?! |
| 06:33.09 | KotCzarny | unthinkable! |
| 06:33.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:33.19 | pupnik | you should have told me that it wouldn't work with stock mplayer |
| 06:33.26 | pupnik | before giving me a command line that didn't work |
| 06:33.44 | KotCzarny | is there a way to add debian sources repository and no binary ? |
| 06:33.46 | pupnik | <- not amused |
| 06:33.54 | KotCzarny | pupnik: stock? what do you call 'stock' |
| 06:33.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:34.15 | qwerty12 | I call it Bundyo's build ;) |
| 06:34.27 | KotCzarny | pupnik: 'stock' mplayer doesn't include mencoder too, though it's very simple to build it |
| 06:34.35 | KotCzarny | and probably you have one on your nokia :) |
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| 06:38.01 | unixSnob | just downloaded the rx-34_2008SE...._ARM.bin |
| 06:38.10 | unixSnob | what do I do with this thing? |
| 06:38.25 | qwerty12 | Flash it? |
| 06:38.31 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: burn on cd and keep in as an enchant |
| 06:38.55 | qwerty12 | Lol, unixSnob , are you on windows or linux? |
| 06:39.11 | KotCzarny | qwerty: do you remember problem you had yesterday? |
| 06:39.33 | qwerty12 | Not really, but I do recall not knowing how to flash under Linux |
| 06:39.39 | unixSnob | I'm on OS/X, but have windows and linux at my disposal |
| 06:39.44 | KotCzarny | another one |
| 06:40.01 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: you can flash on device itself |
| 06:40.10 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I'm not sure what you are on about. |
| 06:40.10 | GeneralAntilles | IMB OS/X ? :P |
| 06:40.19 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, the whole bin image? |
| 06:40.26 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:40.33 | KotCzarny | ok, scratch this |
| 06:40.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:40.43 | KotCzarny | it's late already :) |
| 06:40.48 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 |
| 06:41.55 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, :), 7:41 AM here and I am really tired. |
| 06:42.04 | qwerty12 | yawns |
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| 06:42.31 | unixSnob | i like the idea of flashing on the device itself |
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| 06:42.48 | qwerty12 | You can only flash initfs or kernel on device. |
| 06:43.14 | KotCzarny | probably rootfs too, but only in rescue mode |
| 06:43.38 | unixSnob | where are you qwerty? it's 2:30 in the US (east) |
| 06:43.39 | KotCzarny | and after finding a way to unpack that bin |
| 06:43.52 | qwerty12 | unixSnob, London |
| 06:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, it wont matter in a month or two. |
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| 06:45.07 | qwerty12 | wants to add to the suspense |
| 06:45.54 | unixSnob | why is that? |
| 06:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | SSU |
| 06:46.17 | unixSnob | I was considering updating because a couple things I've tried to install have out of date dependancies |
| 06:46.29 | qwerty12 | Because of this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Diablo_Coverart.png :O |
| 06:46.42 | unixSnob | SSU? |
| 06:47.17 | johnx | see-through summer underwear...or seamless software upgrade |
| 06:47.22 | johnx | one of those is a feature of diable... |
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| 06:47.29 | johnx | s/le/lo/g |
| 06:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/01/its-official-n810-wimax-announced/ |
| 06:47.42 | KotCzarny | or SSU, Suppressed Students United |
| 06:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | System upgrades will be done through Application manager. |
| 06:47.51 | pupnik | Want to let John Yoo know what you think of him? I found two email addresses for him: jyoo@law.berkeley.edu and yoo@law.berkeley.edu. A better tactic would be to let the Dean's office at the law school know what you think of Yoo teaching there--no email listed but phone #: 510-642-6483. |
| 06:47.51 | unixSnob | ssu sounds like portage, kinda |
| 06:48.04 | unixSnob | So it will go out and get dependancies automatically? |
| 06:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | Uh |
| 06:48.08 | johnx | or any decent apt frontend |
| 06:48.10 | GeneralAntilles | It already does that. |
| 06:48.23 | KotCzarny | pupnik ? |
| 06:48.26 | GeneralAntilles | We have apt. |
| 06:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager is just GUI front-end for apt. |
| 06:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | The change is mostly that Nokia will be pushing updates "over-the-air" rather than with FIASCO images. |
| 06:48.58 | johnx | it would be like portage if it dragged in a dev env and compiled things on your tablet |
| 06:49.06 | johnx | which would be endlessly amusing :) |
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| 06:49.15 | qwerty12 | pupnik, ? + 1 |
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| 06:50.32 | KotCzarny | darn. |
| 06:50.40 | KotCzarny | most of the apps are for v4l1 |
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| 06:54.52 | qwerty111 | f****n kernel panics |
| 06:54.58 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:55.05 | johnx | on desktop or tablet? |
| 06:55.23 | qwerty111 | Desktop, probably because I have to use ndiswrapper |
| 06:55.44 | johnx | ah, emulated windows drivers in kernel space always seemed like bad ju-ju to me |
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| 06:55.59 | KotCzarny | compromises.. |
| 06:56.25 | qwerty111 | I don't have a choice :(. TI made closed stuff for the tablet and they made closed stuff for my wifi stick. |
| 06:56.30 | johnx | A binary blob is a compromise...emulating another OS to load drivers is asking for trouble |
| 06:57.01 | johnx | I gave up buying the cheapest I could find a long time ago, now I check compatiblity before purchasing |
| 06:57.10 | johnx | Mac users have been doing it for years... |
| 06:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:57.39 | qwerty111 | I used to (and still do :p) use Windows, Linux compatibility never really mattered at the time :( |
| 06:57.40 | KotCzarny | mac users pay double for the same hardware just with different firmware |
| 06:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a particularly hard decision. |
| 06:58.08 | johnx | except with Linux there's usually a lottery. "If I buy the cheapest thing maybe it will work anyways |
| 06:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's either generic shit like RAM or hard drives that just works, or graphics cards that are all labelled appropriately. :D |
| 06:58.14 | hrw | morning |
| 06:58.17 | qwerty111 | KotCzarny, , Now now, we all know that there's a smaller market :P |
| 06:58.19 | qwerty111 | morning |
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| 06:59.57 | unixSnob | Well since I have the .bin file, I might as well update. How do I do this on the device itself? |
| 07:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | You don't. |
| 07:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | That only works for kernel and initfs. |
| 07:00.35 | unixSnob | ah, okay.. I'll use the mac flasher then |
| 07:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | See the link I pasted above. |
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| 07:02.20 | hachi | what's the name of the repos site? I'm at maemo.org and can't read the repos on there because it renders all the text on top of itself |
| 07:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it |
| 07:02.43 | hachi | thanks |
| 07:03.54 | unixSnob | will this file work on the n800 => RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 07:04.08 | unixSnob | just want to make sure I'm not about to brick it w/ the wrong file |
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| 07:04.40 | johnx | yeah, that sounds right. |
| 07:04.45 | johnx | it shouldn't flash if it's wrong |
| 07:04.55 | hachi | I'm running .50-2, going to upgrade to .51-3 |
| 07:04.58 | johnx | you grabbed it from the N800 section of tablets-dev |
| 07:05.07 | johnx | right? |
| 07:05.12 | hachi | uhhh... changelog I think is what I'm looking for |
| 07:05.14 | unixSnob | naw, bittorrent |
| 07:05.22 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 07:05.30 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, it's just the bootloader |
| 07:05.36 | johnx | hachi, the only fix was the power-on/off some people were having |
| 07:05.46 | hachi | dangit |
| 07:06.15 | GeneralAntilles | That's what I meant to do |
| 07:06.16 | hachi | I'm puzzled why OS2008 has version numbers that are all 2007 |
| 07:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | updates the wiki article to latest firmware. |
| 07:06.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's the build date, hachi. |
| 07:06.40 | johnx | think about model-years for cars :) |
| 07:06.43 | hachi | I upgraded in january |
| 07:06.52 | hachi | why isn't this one 2008 yet? |
| 07:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | release.year.week-buildnumber |
| 07:06.59 | hachi | oh, like for cars |
| 07:07.26 | hachi | when you say the on/off some people were having |
| 07:07.36 | hachi | I have mine sometimes get into an uknown state |
| 07:07.39 | johnx | sometimes it wouldn't turn on when off |
| 07:07.40 | hachi | like it has 'locked up' |
| 07:07.45 | hachi | oh |
| 07:07.47 | GeneralAntilles | So, 50-2 is release 2 of OS2008, and the 2nd of the 50th week of 2007 |
| 07:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, you'd know if you had the problem. |
| 07:08.20 | hachi | yeah, I obviously have a different problem |
| 07:08.31 | hachi | where my maemo will spontaneously reboot after hanging for a minute |
| 07:08.32 | johnx | and 51-3 was the software as it was on the 51st week of 2007, except with a fixed bootloader |
| 07:08.51 | johnx | that's the watchdog kicking in after something else hangs or dies |
| 07:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's when the FIASCO image was built. |
| 07:09.05 | johnx | probably an app you have is taking up all the memory or something |
| 07:09.57 | hachi | maybe I'm better off with virtual memory turned off |
| 07:10.22 | johnx | that might help if your card is having problems |
| 07:10.23 | GeneralAntilles | Only if your internal card is corrupted. |
| 07:10.46 | johnx | or if ITOS doesn't play nice with it |
| 07:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | WTH |
| 07:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 |
| 07:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to try changing 50-2 to 51-3 (2 instances) on there for me? |
| 07:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's throwing an error when I try and submit the edit. :\ |
| 07:12.41 | qwerty111 | There are no 50-2 's on that page |
| 07:12.47 | johnx | yup, 51-3 here as well |
| 07:12.48 | qwerty111 | They all changed to 51-3 |
| 07:12.52 | johnx | I bet it updated anyways |
| 07:13.03 | GeneralAntilles | So it actually submitted but decided to arbitrarily throw an error? |
| 07:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
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| 07:13.25 | johnx | heh...when I was writing the Debian HOWTO thing it logged me out after every submit :) |
| 07:13.35 | unixSnob | wonders if he'll have to reconfigure all his RSS feeds after flashing |
| 07:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't |
| 07:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | as long as you restore a good backup. |
| 07:14.04 | unixSnob | backup? what backup? |
| 07:14.06 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 07:14.19 | doc|home | I thought that was installing OS X onto a n8x0 |
| 07:14.30 | doc|home | goes to wash self - feels dirty |
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| 07:14.41 | johnx | yes, you'll need to reinstall all your apps as well then |
| 07:14.43 | unixSnob | ah.. found the backup tool.. I should use that! |
| 07:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 07:14.57 | mbuf | maemo-mapper is not installed by default on N810? |
| 07:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008's backup is quite effective. |
| 07:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Duh |
| 07:15.11 | johnx | mbuf, no |
| 07:15.27 | johnx | it's a 3rd party program |
| 07:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | Good thing, too, because it'd have to comply with the UI spec if it were. :D |
| 07:15.39 | johnx | the Nokia "Maps" app is installed though |
| 07:15.43 | mbuf | johnx, i see |
| 07:15.50 | GeneralAntilles | s/"Maps"/"Map"/g |
| 07:16.00 | mbuf | johnx, yes, i was able to mount it from USB-connect |
| 07:16.42 | qwerty111 | Backing up is effective but I can't say the same about restoring applications using it though :/ |
| 07:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 07:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine |
| 07:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's just that Application manager likes to crash a lot |
| 07:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | and .deb-installed stuff are problematic |
| 07:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | and you need to be sure to reenable Extras |
| 07:17.58 | qwerty111 | True :(, any chance of a new application manager in Diablo? |
| 07:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely |
| 07:18.20 | qwerty111 | I got Smart to run on the N800 but I can't install anything with it, just remove. |
| 07:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | How do you think they're gonna deploy SSU? |
| 07:18.23 | qwerty111 | Nice :) |
| 07:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | A fair number of issues are already fixed in svn |
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| 07:19.25 | qwerty111 | Hmm, is it "safe" to package an application manager deb and install it on my device? |
| 07:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a frontend |
| 07:19.54 | GeneralAntilles | so there shouldn't be any issues. |
| 07:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | At worst you can fall-back to apt until Diablo rolls around. |
| 07:20.35 | GeneralAntilles | Or advance-guns-a-blazin' depending on your point of view. :D |
| 07:20.57 | qwerty111 | Ok, I'll try it out, thanks. I really hate the application manager. |
| 07:21.16 | unixSnob | didn't work.... |
| 07:21.21 | unixSnob | uitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 07:21.21 | unixSnob | USB device found found at bus 002, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 |
| 07:21.21 | unixSnob | Error claiming USB interface: Unknown error: 0 |
| 07:21.32 | mbuf | how can i enter the "|" symbol in the N810? |
| 07:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | sudo |
| 07:21.47 | unixSnob | i did sudo |
| 07:22.03 | unixSnob | udo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F ./RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 07:22.06 | unixSnob | that was the command |
| 07:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | Erm |
| 07:22.24 | unixSnob | s/udo/sudo/ |
| 07:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | Did you start the device up correctly? |
| 07:22.48 | unixSnob | held the house icon, while pressing power |
| 07:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | USB icon in the upper right? |
| 07:22.58 | unixSnob | I see the little usb icon in the top right |
| 07:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 07:23.02 | jott | mbuf: either modify the xkb config for a permanent (and imho better) solution or press "Chr" and select it from the bar |
| 07:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 07:23.09 | GeneralAntilles | What Mac? |
| 07:23.19 | unixSnob | uh oh |
| 07:23.23 | unixSnob | hackintosh |
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| 07:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:23.39 | qwerty111 | lol |
| 07:23.46 | unixSnob | yeah yeah.. i deserve it |
| 07:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | That seems likely to cause trouble. |
| 07:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | Try a different USB port? |
| 07:24.01 | unixSnob | k |
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| 07:24.11 | unixSnob | should I power down the device first? |
| 07:24.18 | johnx | or just boot a linux live cd if you need to |
| 07:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 07:24.25 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't need to |
| 07:24.27 | GeneralAntilles | but might as well |
| 07:24.34 | unixSnob | I have a redhat box on hand too |
| 07:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://bleb.org/software/maemo/770Flasher-2.0.dmg |
| 07:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe try that |
| 07:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | but unlikely to help |
| 07:24.56 | GeneralAntilles | Probably better off just jumping over to Linux. ;) |
| 07:26.46 | KotCzarny | http://www.enigmacurry.com/2008/01/09/ron-paul-on-the-dollar-gold-and-oil/ |
| 07:26.47 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 07:32.22 | unixSnob | The ITT wiki has instructions for the mac and windows flasher.. nothing on linux |
| 07:32.31 | unixSnob | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#System |
| 07:32.38 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: maemo.org |
| 07:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | It's exactly the same as the OS X instructions |
| 07:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | just different flasher name and you may not need to sudo |
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| 07:33.10 | unixSnob | nice |
| 07:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
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| 07:40.09 | unixSnob | i downloaded the staticly linked flasher.. i don't trust whatever libraries are on my old RH9 system |
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| 07:44.31 | KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.enigmacurry.com/2007/11/16/fbi-raids-liberty-dollar-hq/ |
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| 07:45.14 | pupnik | yes i saw that. There may be a case to be made against them. |
| 07:46.12 | unixSnob | damn.. no good on linux box either.. I get unable to enumerate USB buses |
| 07:46.24 | qwerty111 | Check your BIOS settings? |
| 07:46.25 | unixSnob | and "lsusb" doesn't list anything useful |
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| 07:47.11 | pupnik | check cables? |
| 07:47.20 | unixSnob | I might have to do that. The usb bus worked a long time ago.. but now when I plug in USB drives, I get 'not a valid block device' or something like that when I mount |
| 07:47.34 | unixSnob | So I think there's just something screwed up with the usb port or drivers |
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| 07:47.47 | qwerty111 | I wouldn't say drivers |
| 07:47.56 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:48.02 | qwerty111 | I would say BIOS settings or the usb bus |
| 07:48.05 | qwerty111 | Morning |
| 07:48.35 | qwerty111 | Either way, I wouldn't recommend flashing with that computer unless you can be sure that the USB is working fine |
| 07:48.51 | mbuf | can anyone post their sources.list for extra repos for the N810? |
| 07:51.35 | unixSnob | usb functionality is enabled, but legacy support is not |
| 07:52.00 | qwerty111 | I don't think legacy matters, I think mine is disabled |
| 07:52.19 | qwerty111 | but I guess it cannot hurt any more to turn it on? |
| 07:52.49 | qwerty111 | Also check for any bios updates, I had to update my bios to fix usb bugs so my hackint0sh would boot |
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| 07:54.05 | unixSnob | well, I still have a windows box to try.. and I haven't done anything funny with it. It's a Dell.. practically stock. |
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| 07:56.53 | hrw | unixSnob: under linux: maybe need to mount /proc/bus/usb (deprecated), run as root |
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| 07:57.38 | unixSnob | what would the command be? I think mounting procs is kinda different than drivespace, correct? |
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| 07:58.43 | johnx | apps can use /proc/bus/usb to poke at the usb subsystem |
| 07:59.44 | unixSnob | I think you're on to something there.. at the end of my lsusb command, I get: cannot open /proc/bus/usb |
| 07:59.51 | unixSnob | but I'm not sure how to mount it |
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| 08:00.02 | johnx | mount non /proc/bus/usb ?\ |
| 08:00.14 | johnx | s/usb ?\/usb/ |
| 08:00.33 | KotCzarny | fail |
| 08:00.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:00.46 | johnx | bleh :P |
| 08:00.49 | unixSnob | mount: you must specify file system type |
| 08:01.10 | unixSnob | i think there's a switch needed |
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| 08:01.29 | KotCzarny | grep usb /etc/fstab |
| 08:01.29 | unixSnob | I recall from installing gentoo that mounting procs were a little different than drives |
| 08:02.24 | johnx | yeah, it's not mounted here, and I don't know the type |
| 08:02.25 | unixSnob | /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat .... |
| 08:02.34 | unixSnob | That was for a usb drive I used to mount |
| 08:02.50 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb |
| 08:02.58 | johnx | thanks, KotCzarny |
| 08:03.19 | KotCzarny | unles you're on 2.4 |
| 08:03.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:03.26 | KotCzarny | *unless |
| 08:03.53 | unixSnob | i think i'm on 2.4 actually.. RH9 |
| 08:04.05 | KotCzarny | try usbdevfs |
| 08:04.07 | johnx | uname -r |
| 08:04.11 | unixSnob | yeah, 2.4xxxsmp |
| 08:04.15 | KotCzarny | grep usb /proc/filesystems |
| 08:04.24 | johnx | will the flasher even work on 2.4? |
| 08:04.43 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 08:05.00 | KotCzarny | we will find out soon |
| 08:05.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:05.06 | X-Fade | I think you can better try to use 0xffff as you can compile that one yourself. |
| 08:05.15 | qwerty111 | History is about to be made |
| 08:05.19 | KotCzarny | x-fade: can 0xffff flash rootfs? |
| 08:05.32 | KotCzarny | from .bin ? |
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| 08:05.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:05.40 | johnx | KotCzarny, yes |
| 08:05.44 | X-Fade | It can do the same as the regular flasher.. |
| 08:05.52 | KotCzarny | on running system? |
| 08:05.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:06.04 | unixSnob | grep usb /proc/filesystems yields nothing |
| 08:06.04 | KotCzarny | he should drop into initfs |
| 08:06.06 | KotCzarny | i believe |
| 08:06.18 | X-Fade | Well, no but that is what you use mtdtools foor? |
| 08:06.29 | johnx | KotCzarny, it's from the desktop |
| 08:06.32 | KotCzarny | x-fade: but mtsblock4 is MOUNTED rw.. |
| 08:06.32 | X-Fade | s/foor/for/ |
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| 08:06.40 | KotCzarny | mtdblock |
| 08:07.00 | X-Fade | KotCzarny: Ah, I thought you were running from sd. |
| 08:07.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:07.13 | johnx | KotCzarny, you're confused. 0xffff is used from the desktop to flash over usb |
| 08:07.22 | KotCzarny | no, i'm not confised |
| 08:07.29 | qwerty111 | I think he means it could be compiled for initfs though? |
| 08:07.33 | johnx | ah, ok...nevermind, side conversation then |
| 08:07.37 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 08:07.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:07.56 | unixSnob | mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb <= results in "mount point /proc/bus/usb does not exist" |
| 08:08.13 | qwerty111 | KotCzarny, That's quite a nice idea but flashing bin flashes initfs too >.< unless 0xffetc has a option not to flash initfs? |
| 08:08.28 | KotCzarny | qwerty, but initfs is mount readonly |
| 08:08.35 | KotCzarny | so it won't hurt that much |
| 08:08.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:08.46 | KotCzarny | assuming nothing will fail |
| 08:08.48 | qwerty111 | Oh :) |
| 08:09.10 | KotCzarny | *mounted |
| 08:09.45 | KotCzarny | johnx, hum, i have thought 0xFFFF is ran on device itself.. |
| 08:09.59 | KotCzarny | because there's -C mtd-dev switch |
| 08:10.21 | johnx | so, you were confused? :P |
| 08:10.31 | KotCzarny | yes, but also side conversed |
| 08:10.37 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 08:10.40 | KotCzarny | i have never used 0xffff |
| 08:11.12 | Proteous | 0xffhhaa FOREVAAAA |
| 08:11.44 | KotCzarny | unixsnob, you know what would be faster? |
| 08:11.52 | KotCzarny | download some small livecd |
| 08:11.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:12.07 | johnx | or flash from windows |
| 08:12.16 | KotCzarny | he doesn't have windows |
| 08:12.21 | qwerty111 | unixsnob, you know what would be better? |
| 08:12.27 | qwerty111 | Upgrading to Fedora :p |
| 08:12.34 | KotCzarny | rh is rh |
| 08:12.36 | unixSnob | i do |
| 08:12.38 | qwerty111 | KotCzarny, he says he has linux, windows & Macosx |
| 08:12.44 | KotCzarny | no matter what name you give it |
| 08:12.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:12.48 | unixSnob | i'm working on windows right now.. need .net 2.0 |
| 08:12.53 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 08:13.07 | KotCzarny | so i missed something in the conversation too |
| 08:13.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:13.37 | unixSnob | that .net crap is a 23 MB download |
| 08:13.53 | qwerty111 | I think 3.0 is out too :P |
| 08:14.25 | unixSnob | i see 3.5, actually |
| 08:14.43 | qwerty111 | That means I need an upgrade :p |
| 08:15.57 | unixSnob | i'll be pissed if I have to download a service pack too |
| 08:16.08 | unixSnob | guess I'd boot a live cd before I do that |
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| 08:17.00 | qwerty111 | Nah, if you have at least SP1, you should be fine |
| 08:17.35 | unixSnob | i think it said sp2 was needed.. i'll know soon |
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| 08:25.02 | unixSnob | actually I have sp2.. so there won't be an issue there |
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| 08:32.08 | unixSnob | the update takes 20 minutes! wtf |
| 08:32.13 | unixSnob | I dont' believe it |
| 08:32.15 | KotCzarny | usb1 ? |
| 08:32.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:32.38 | qwerty111 | Maybe downloading the update over the internet? |
| 08:32.55 | |zeus| | yep |
| 08:32.58 | qwerty111 | it took me less than 2 min using file from hard drive usb 2 |
| 08:33.00 | unixSnob | i hope it lets me use the bin file i already downloaded |
| 08:33.07 | |zeus| | downloading it's slowest part |
| 08:33.10 | johnx | just select, update from file |
| 08:33.16 | qwerty111 | You can do before you flash, choose browse |
| 08:33.23 | KotCzarny | too late? |
| 08:33.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:33.44 | |zeus| | flashing tooks less than a minute on linux :) |
| 08:33.51 | qwerty111 | Hehe, if its still downloading, I take it out :P |
| 08:35.43 | unixSnob | it let me specify the file to grab.. and it even took a samba location |
| 08:35.51 | unixSnob | so it's going quick |
| 08:36.32 | unixSnob | prays |
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| 08:36.43 | unixSnob | cheers |
| 08:39.57 | unixSnob | guess there haven't been any recent developments.. I've had this bin file for a while now, and it's still current |
| 08:41.54 | unixSnob | nice.. Krispy Kremes has a promo.. buy a dozen, get a dozen free |
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| 08:50.31 | mbuf | are there any issues of using Google maps API for community-based, not-for-profit use/service? or what are the drawbacks of Google Maps API? |
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| 09:03.08 | opendeep | hello X-Fade |
| 09:03.59 | opendeep | can you send me invitation to commit to the repository. |
| 09:04.26 | opendeep | opendeep@garage.maemo.org |
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| 09:13.46 | qwerty111 | Has anyone tried the ipv6 support for N800 that was mentioned on ITT. I had to recompile my kernel for it but I cant test it as my router doesn't support it. |
| 09:15.54 | unixSnob | nice! RSS feeds were restored |
| 09:15.56 | wnd | I compiled IPv6 supprt for OS2008 couple of months ago. the problem is that I screwed up something and the internal memory card of n810 was no longer available :-) |
| 09:16.16 | unixSnob | Nice! web links were restored |
| 09:16.17 | wnd | I'll have to fix that once I have the time |
| 09:16.42 | qwerty111 | :), I don't know if N810 handles internal card differently but both my cards are working :) |
| 09:17.14 | qwerty111 | The only thing is that I used the patch for an old kernel, so I had to keep going back to restore files. Not good stuff on my part. |
| 09:18.13 | qwerty111 | The howto says "If you have the X Terminal installed, you can verify that the tablet is IPv6 enabled by checking if the following command succeeds: |
| 09:18.13 | qwerty111 | cat /proc/net/if_inet6 |
| 09:18.13 | qwerty111 | ". I run that command and I get something back so I assume it worked :p |
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| 09:22.36 | unixSnob | wow.. backup even recovered my gizmo account |
| 09:23.17 | johnx | IIRC it recovers everything in /home/user/ but I'm not completely sure... |
| 09:23.39 | qwerty111 | I dont think so. You have to write config files for the stuff to be backup afaik |
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| 09:23.53 | qwerty111 | *backed up |
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| 09:35.34 | harryslamm | is there a way to flash the OS2008 so that it drops the language dependencies? Only need English, so Spanish, French, German etc dependencies are superfluous |
| 09:35.49 | johnx | nope |
| 09:36.04 | johnx | maybe you can remove them manually once it's installed |
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| 09:36.09 | qwerty111 | I don't think so unless you want to do some serious status hacking but you can use localepurge |
| 09:36.33 | harryslamm | ok, i'll check out localepurge |
| 09:39.53 | harryslamm | does localepurge just remove files from /usr/share/locale? |
| 09:40.44 | qwerty111 | I think so but it has the added advantage of running after each deb install and you should see the amount you would have to remove by hand... |
| 09:41.30 | harryslamm | ah ok. |
| 09:43.00 | unixSnob | anyone install rtcomm and have problems? I got a warning from the installer saying that it's likely to install something that wil damage the system |
| 09:43.16 | unixSnob | it has a little more weight that the usual warning |
| 09:43.26 | qwerty111 | Some people say that is messing up hildon but I've installed it fine. |
| 09:43.30 | qwerty111 | At your own risk :P |
| 09:43.37 | qwerty111 | Or you could use pidgin |
| 09:43.38 | unixSnob | so I opted to live dangerously |
| 09:43.48 | qwerty111 | *hildon-desktop |
| 09:44.06 | unixSnob | will pidgin support SIP voip? |
| 09:44.10 | qwerty111 | Got a backup handy? :P |
| 09:44.14 | unixSnob | yeah |
| 09:44.17 | qwerty111 | I don't think so come think of it |
| 09:45.13 | unixSnob | it failed to install.. error was not specific |
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| 09:45.38 | qwerty111 | Check the log from tools |
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| 09:46.43 | unixSnob | the log simply says hildon-application-manager 2.02 |
| 09:47.26 | unixSnob | anyway, i give up for now.. it's not important |
| 09:47.41 | unixSnob | damn it's almost 6 am.. didn't sleep yet |
| 09:47.47 | unixSnob | i'm outta here |
| 09:48.00 | qwerty111 | Lol, 10 am here :P |
| 09:48.01 | qwerty111 | Bye# |
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| 09:52.44 | gatestone | Any experinces: what is the most challenging thing for a Windows/Symbian developer to start using Linux/POSIX libraries and/or GNU/Eclipse etc... |
| 09:53.25 | glass | new api's i guess |
| 09:53.35 | sibbe | keyboard shortcuts :) |
| 09:53.53 | glass | sibbe: symbian dev would quite likely have used eclipse based carbide already |
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| 09:54.48 | vds | hi all |
| 09:56.23 | vds | I'm new to maemo and I'm trying to understand if it is possible to sync evolution addressbook and calendar with a maemo device like nokia n810 |
| 09:56.25 | vds | tnx! |
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| 10:02.31 | hrw | vds: by default maemo do not have calendar at all |
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| 10:02.57 | hrw | so there is nothing to sync with |
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| 10:06.15 | vds | hrw interesting |
| 10:06.16 | vds | thanks |
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| 10:08.45 | eichi | is there another "better" programm simmilar to sketch for maemo OS2008 ? |
| 10:08.58 | MangoFusion_ | mtpaint? |
| 10:09.04 | MangoFusion_ | xournal? |
| 10:09.06 | qwerty111 | mypaint, xournal |
| 10:09.09 | qwerty111 | too late lo |
| 10:09.13 | qwerty111 | *lol |
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| 10:29.02 | Cptnodegard | http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0788 |
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| 10:45.33 | eichi | hello, someone uses a n800 for gps tracking or listening music while jogging? |
| 10:45.53 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Did you try out that cable? |
| 10:45.59 | eichi | i think, how i can transport the n800 while jogging |
| 10:46.00 | johnx | eichi, the latter |
| 10:46.07 | johnx | I just shove it in a pocket |
| 10:46.37 | johnx | there are belt-clip cases too, if that's your kinda thing |
| 10:46.40 | eichi | its damn big and heavy for doing sport |
| 10:46.57 | pupnik | ooh, a belt clip mount for n800 |
| 10:47.03 | johnx | aren't there? |
| 10:47.08 | pupnik | a tablet would make a nifty belt-buckle |
| 10:47.11 | johnx | hopes he's not making things up |
| 10:47.42 | johnx | yup, they exist :) |
| 10:47.51 | johnx | but, I'm 190cm tall and have pants with big pockets, so it's not an issue for me |
| 10:49.09 | eichi | i use this http://www.troph-e-shop.com/produkte/images/41.136301.jpg regularly, there is my n800 mounted. but its no fixed enaught for running, jogging |
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| 10:49.45 | zap | Hello! Anybody knows where I can get the source code of the flasher-3.0 program? |
| 10:50.01 | johnx | you can't, it's closed source |
| 10:50.06 | zap | oops :( |
| 10:50.07 | johnx | but there is an open source flasher |
| 10:50.10 | zap | aha |
| 10:50.11 | pupnik | <ralph> ha ha |
| 10:50.30 | eichi | there must be something very near the body and very fixed |
| 10:50.35 | johnx | 0xffff the open flasher is here: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
| 10:50.51 | zap | is there something like flasher-3.0 but for windows? |
| 10:50.58 | qwerty111 | <dr hibbert>he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he |
| 10:51.04 | qwerty111 | zap, no |
| 10:51.17 | zap | johnx: thank you |
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| 10:54.35 | ]-[andful_of_not | mbuf: No :) |
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| 10:57.40 | pleaseandthankyo | what are police there for really(i am sure more than half is not enforcing governmental laws)? how to get on the side of the police when encountered? should i pay money to the police/tip whenever they shows up or in advance? |
| 11:02.21 | florian | good morning |
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| 11:26.21 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 11:26.51 | Khertan | Someone know how time this take for a package to be accepted in the extras repository ? |
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| 11:35.27 | Spakman | Hi! |
| 11:38.29 | florian | hi Spakman |
| 11:41.08 | Khertan | Hi Spakman |
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| 11:42.27 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 11:45.10 | opendeep | hello X-Fade |
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| 11:50.19 | kulve | Any ideas how I can get the MAC address of the wlan base station? |
| 11:51.12 | glass | theres usually stickers on them |
| 11:51.39 | glass | or you can get them from the web config which it probably has |
| 11:51.49 | kulve | I need to know it using software after I have connected to it :) |
| 11:51.55 | Veggen | kulve: install wirelesstools package, then you have "iwconfig" |
| 11:51.58 | jott | iwconfig? |
| 11:52.38 | jott | then just awk it out :) |
| 11:52.53 | kulve | too bad it's not installed by default :/ |
| 11:53.08 | kulve | maybe I can use some ioctl that does the same as the iwconfig.. |
| 11:53.59 | zuh | kulve: Attach a bluetooth-controlled drone to the device that you can detach and fly to the basestation from your application and analyze the sticker from the video feed it sends back... |
| 11:54.38 | b0unc3 | kulve: ifconfig |
| 11:54.39 | kulve | too complicated |
| 11:54.53 | kulve | b0unc3: how? |
| 11:55.04 | b0unc3 | /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 |
| 11:55.13 | b0unc3 | hwaddr show your mac address |
| 11:55.22 | kulve | that tells the MAC of my wlan device, not the one of the base station |
| 11:56.51 | kulve | I'm trying to identify the network I'm in and I think the MAC address is the most suitable identification. SSID would be fine if most of the people wouldn't use "default" .. |
| 11:58.00 | lcuk | if i have an app which may want to change the ondemand cputhreshhold percentage factor (requires root permission) does it have to use a kernel module to do it, or can my app be added to the "sudoers" file as part of the standard installation? |
| 11:58.49 | Veggen | kulve: perhaps there's some dbus magic? |
| 11:58.55 | lcuk | ei: can a none root user install the package and have it able to change this factor (under users control) without them having to gainroot |
| 11:59.05 | Khertan | Someone know how time this take for a package to be accepted in the extras repository ? |
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| 11:59.41 | lcuk | dunno khertan, how long have you been waiting? |
| 11:59.52 | b0unc3 | kulve: dmesg show the mac address of the ap when you connect to it |
| 12:00.06 | kulve | Veggen: the ConIc API tells me the name, but I didn't see any MAC stuff in there.. |
| 12:00.43 | kulve | b0unc3: so it seems. So the driver knows it. Now I just need to find the ioctl for getting it.. |
| 12:01.07 | b0unc3 | lcuk: you can modify the sudoers file at installation time... |
| 12:01.07 | Veggen | there should, most likely, be a system call that does it. try strace iwconfig and see? |
| 12:01.36 | Khertan | lcuk : not long is just to know where it ll be pushed to make .install available and announce the new release |
| 12:01.47 | Khertan | i ve scp it 30min ago ... |
| 12:02.40 | Khertan | (as i don't use the usual way to send package to extras and extras-devel (i use pypackager 0.7 from my nit instead of dput on scratchbox) |
| 12:03.23 | Khertan | (yes pypackager 0.7 should now be able to upload package to maemo repository) |
| 12:03.49 | Khertan | it s why i'm waiting to know if it works ... |
| 12:03.53 | lcuk | khertan, the repo should have a manual step - if it doesnt usually take this long its prob just got someone on dinner or something |
| 12:03.55 | lcuk | b0unc3, |
| 12:04.00 | lcuk | shat |
| 12:04.06 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html |
| 12:04.09 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:04.25 | lcuk | b0unc3, doesnt updating the sudoers file require root itself? |
| 12:04.50 | Khertan | i hope it ll pass the three step : |
| 12:04.50 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.51 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.51 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.51 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.51 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.09 | b0unc3 | lcuk: yes, but not at installation time... |
| 12:05.37 | lcuk | ahhh, so the installer itself (apt-get? or the front end) already have sudoer rights? |
| 12:05.39 | Khertan | at install time application manager have root rights |
| 12:05.47 | Khertan | the front end |
| 12:05.54 | b0unc3 | yes |
| 12:06.11 | Khertan | apt-get need to be launch as root to be able to install something |
| 12:06.26 | lcuk | right - that makes sense then - so if i wanted to add a user selectable option to change ondemand it would be perfectly possible :) excellent news |
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| 12:06.37 | kulve | #define SIOCGIWAP 0x8B15 /* get access point MAC addresses */ |
| 12:06.40 | kulve | maybe that.. |
| 12:07.27 | lcuk | Khertan, this is the best part of the package upload process: "first verify that the PGP/GPG signature of the package corresponds to the user's key" :) |
| 12:08.10 | pleaseandthankyo | why is it hard to admit that i'm being bullied? |
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| 12:08.15 | lcuk | though i do wonder what sanity checking is being done - i seem to recall its being tightened up and the install locations and categories are being tightened |
| 12:08.33 | lcuk | pleaseandthankyo, why are you being bullied |
| 12:08.47 | lcuk | or rather, is this an internet thing or rl |
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| 12:20.35 | ert_ | How to add application to autostart in n800? |
| 12:21.36 | inz | You create an init.d -script for it |
| 12:21.51 | ert_ | for gui apps too? |
| 12:23.01 | Khertan | "first verify that the PGP/GPG signature of the package corresponds to the user's key" > yes ... the hard part as gnupg is really limited on tablet ... |
| 12:23.02 | inz | My firsts reaction would be "don't", but if it's for some special need, then yes |
| 12:23.10 | inz | -s |
| 12:25.19 | mbuf | for gps-camera; where is the file that contains the name of the file and longitude, latitude coordinates stored? "filename;latitude;longitude" is the syntax |
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| 12:34.52 | mbuf | ok, it is in /home/user/MyDocs/.images/gpscamera |
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| 12:42.14 | Veggen | inz: why not? |
| 12:42.36 | Veggen | inz: I tend to want to treat my n810 as a regular Linux machine. |
| 12:43.07 | Veggen | I know it's good to be careful, but it's a Linux system, that *should* be a perfectly ok thing to do. |
| 12:45.44 | jott | Veggen: that's why it's a bad idea. on a regular linux machine you won't be able to run X applications in a user context via init.d (as you have to login first etc.) |
| 12:46.12 | lcuk | hmmm then how wouldyou do it on a normal linux system? |
| 12:46.26 | Veggen | jott: oh. I see where I was wrong. |
| 12:46.45 | jott | usually you would use .xinitrc or something the desktop environment provides |
| 12:46.49 | Veggen | you'd do it in Xsession-stuff. If such a thing exists. |
| 12:47.15 | jott | .xinitrc/.xsession |
| 12:48.24 | wnd | or start the thing via your desktop environment (if any) |
| 12:48.38 | jott | yep |
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| 12:49.46 | jott | passes unix onions around |
| 12:52.21 | Veggen | inz: but on the tablet, if there exists no support for .xinitrc og .xsession (dunno, perhaps strings on Xomap will reveal it?), an init.d-script that's run after x-server would do. |
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| 12:53.30 | mbuf | what is the best way to implement a table data structure with GLib, GTK+? operations include sorting/searching on the table for Maemo |
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| 12:58.39 | pupnik | mplayer is so awesome |
| 12:58.54 | pupnik | playng back google video flash, cpu 18-22% |
| 12:59.38 | pupnik | mbuf: perhaps you mean 'array' |
| 12:59.56 | mbuf | pupnik, am looking at GSequence now |
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| 13:01.11 | fysa | mplayer wins |
| 13:01.44 | inz | Veggen, mostly the "don't" meant that if you're creating a package for someone to install |
| 13:02.04 | inz | Veggen, then that someone probably doesn't like a program that bluntly starts every time your device boots up |
| 13:02.14 | Veggen | inz: mm, sure. |
| 13:02.38 | jott | or just create an status bar applet :) |
| 13:02.46 | Veggen | the hildon way, I guess, is to make a home desktop applet. |
| 13:03.02 | jott | yeah home/status |
| 13:03.02 | hrw | Veggen: xinitrc or xsession is not matter of Xomap |
| 13:04.37 | T0botras | osso-software-version depends on pre-installed-{docs,sounds,video}. Who ARE those people? |
| 13:05.29 | hrw | T0botras: nokia |
| 13:05.46 | hrw | T0botras: and their 'we treat whole image as one package' way |
| 13:05.56 | Tobotras | hrw: ouch |
| 13:06.35 | hrw | Tobotras: thats part of why there are no system packages when new release came |
| 13:07.02 | hrw | they just do not get it that there are people who are used to 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' way of installing updates |
| 13:07.16 | hrw | my n810 is non backupable now |
| 13:09.01 | fysa | oh lord. HSBC bank now has scripted pre-recorded telemarketers. the same 'voice' has called me twice in the last week, with the same line -- and when I interrupt saying "I think I spoke to you last week," someone in control over the voice/script would queue up alternate responses. |
| 13:09.16 | fysa | not very fluidly. |
| 13:09.29 | glass | ehh |
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| 13:14.37 | lcuk | fysa, isnt that just outsourced telecomms and a script and not very good english ocupled with a bad voip line? |
| 13:14.48 | fysa | no, this is more responsive-- |
| 13:14.58 | fysa | I would interrupt it, and it would immediately change according to my interruption. |
| 13:15.10 | lcuk | outsourced to scotland? (god i loved the accents of the ladies) |
| 13:15.10 | fysa | as if someone were controlling a sound bank full of quips |
| 13:15.27 | lcuk | alice |
| 13:16.00 | fysa | as if suddenly 20,000 telemarketers in a call center in Hyderabad all have the same voice. |
| 13:16.03 | pupnik | http://mytube.garage.maemo.org/ mytube is a really nice app for youtube. if i could just have some more search parameters, and a google-video mode |
| 13:16.26 | fysa | pupnik, have you tried Canola2's YouTube plug-in? |
| 13:16.42 | pupnik | no canola smells like amarok from a distance |
| 13:16.43 | lcuk | i had a hsbc head ring me the other week and try to extract all my info out of him - i managed to find out his full name dob that he banked with natwest and that he had worked for hsbc for 6 months before i would confirm he was speaking to the right person |
| 13:16.46 | pupnik | do you like it fysa ? |
| 13:17.43 | ]-[andful_of_not | :) |
| 13:17.57 | fysa | I haven't tried the YouTube plug-in yet. I played with the Canola2 beta a bit, and it seems like it would be nice if more developers considered it a 'platform.' |
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| 13:18.22 | fysa | I think I like how it handled switching between functions. |
| 13:18.45 | ]-[andful_of_not | fysa: we are still "fighting" for the full open source release |
| 13:18.51 | fysa | it just needs more to do, to convince you to stay in Canola2 .. say.. an RSS or Google Reader plug-in |
| 13:19.05 | ]-[andful_of_not | but at least, the full desktop build for testing is available + sources of plugins + theme sources |
| 13:19.14 | fysa | yes, that is another issue |
| 13:19.22 | fysa | not for me, but for some certainly |
| 13:19.31 | ]-[andful_of_not | yeah, these plugins example are like, 2 weeks work max |
| 13:19.39 | ]-[andful_of_not | for a "quality" plugin |
| 13:19.55 | ]-[andful_of_not | that's why we are rushing a html renderer also inside the evas canvas |
| 13:20.00 | fysa | scrolling and nav is nice. |
| 13:20.03 | ]-[andful_of_not | if we can do that.. those things will be even easier |
| 13:20.17 | fysa | and being able to take advantage of that easily makes for an interesting plug-in case |
| 13:20.28 | ]-[andful_of_not | scrolling has some issues, but seems that we finally made a list that is way better than today's.. We are already testing with some users |
| 13:22.38 | fysa | html renderer would be nice. |
| 13:22.59 | ]-[andful_of_not | yeah, we have been talking to Alp (from webkit) and he's probably coming back here in brazil to work with us on that |
| 13:23.24 | ]-[andful_of_not | so even a simple working browser could be done (but that's not our plan) |
| 13:23.44 | fysa | if I could easily jump into gmail, google reader, youtube while listening/watching something, without having to get back to the desktop, it would be a nice interface on-the-go. |
| 13:23.45 | ]-[andful_of_not | we want the rendering for RSS / podcasts info / other internet related media that wins a lot in experience when maintained the html |
| 13:24.13 | ]-[andful_of_not | yes... if we had enough work-power we would for sure do it (while of course experimenting a little (integrating stuff into local apps) |
| 13:24.16 | fysa | app-style, sort of how the EEE works it |
| 13:24.25 | ]-[andful_of_not | but, as the real word is not perfect :) we do what we can :) |
| 13:24.45 | fysa | nice work pushing it forward to this condition anyway |
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| 13:25.22 | ]-[andful_of_not | yeah, I know some people hate it :) but it's the good of those platforms, you have choice :) for those wanting control, detail, and flexibility you have hildon ui |
| 13:26.10 | ]-[andful_of_not | for the others, just wanting quick access, fast switching, media & content oriented, and of course eye candy (even when gratuitous)... |
| 13:26.50 | opendeep | hello X-Fade |
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| 13:27.40 | opendeep | can anyone give me permission to commit to repository |
| 13:28.03 | opendeep | username: opendeep, garage.maemo.org |
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| 13:32.29 | pupnik | hmm, do not delete /usr/lib/python2.5.zip |
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| 13:39.55 | Jaffa | ]-[andful_of_not: glad to hear you've got a better list implementation in the pipeline, the current one's a bit too eager in grabbing clicks |
| 13:40.34 | ]-[andful_of_not | yes.. it's bad : / |
| 13:41.03 | ]-[andful_of_not | the only one not working that well still is the youtube, but now is not actually the list.. |
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| 13:41.31 | ]-[andful_of_not | scrolling... is the fact that each item has so much data, that the drawing / redrawing is sluggish... then prone to errors : / |
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| 13:43.09 | Blafasel | What exactly is the closed part of canola? |
| 13:43.57 | ]-[andful_of_not | the "terra" plugin loader, all widgets, and the media abs layer, all basic apps (plugins) |
| 13:44.08 | jaska | ugh |
| 13:44.46 | ]-[andful_of_not | the C work is 100% open (EFL 16 bit engine, the scanner - garage) |
| 13:45.05 | ]-[andful_of_not | python bindings for EFL / others also.. as well youtube, last.fm and upnp |
| 13:45.15 | Blafasel | Ah.. Sad that the widgets are closed though. |
| 13:45.32 | ]-[andful_of_not | Blafasel: the basic ones, but you can extend them as you like |
| 13:45.36 | Blafasel | I care less about the other stuff but a more widespread use of those would be great. |
| 13:45.54 | ]-[andful_of_not | yah for sure :) that's why we are after the full openess |
| 13:46.02 | Blafasel | ]-[andful_of_not: Yeah, but I like your app for it's UI polish among other things ;) |
| 13:46.25 | Blafasel | So - reinventing stuff like those widgets might be feasible, but they are already good right now. |
| 13:46.34 | ]-[andful_of_not | also, the destkop version, with small tweaks (and even with openGL) can work great as a media center on the desktop - I have some of the desktop designs.. :) if it was open I could add them to the project |
| 13:46.53 | ]-[andful_of_not | Blafasel: yes. but they are completely covered in the apis |
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| 14:14.55 | CrashandDie | anybody ever thought of making a wriststrap for the IT ? |
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| 14:15.28 | Cptnodegard | use ducttape? |
| 14:15.44 | Cptnodegard | there isnt a lanyard hole |
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| 14:18.13 | Navi | You could probably dril a tiny hole in the kickstand or someting |
| 14:19.15 | mgedmin | why drill? wrap the lanyard around the kickstand |
| 14:19.34 | Cptnodegard | might end up ripping the stand right off if you drop it |
| 14:19.51 | Navi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.08 | Navi | That is, if you have the ability to drill proper tiny holes |
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| 14:39.21 | CrashandDie | erhm |
| 14:39.33 | CrashandDie | why bother drilling or ducktaping anything ? |
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| 14:39.51 | CrashandDie | anyway, I'll look into it |
| 14:43.07 | CrashandDie | not the small shitty wriststrap you get on a phone or a wiimote for example |
| 14:43.09 | CrashandDie | but more like... |
| 14:43.11 | CrashandDie | this: http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/6680.jpg |
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| 15:04.37 | Spakman | Khertan: did you work out how to get transparent backgrounds in desktop applets? |
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| 15:09.41 | Khertan | Spakman ... :) |
| 15:09.47 | Khertan | Hi spakman ... |
| 15:10.13 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 15:10.22 | Khertan | in the "fresh" section |
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| 15:10.38 | Khertan | there is some transparent applet in python |
| 15:10.43 | Khertan | so source is available |
| 15:12.16 | hrw | Spakman: look at omweather? |
| 15:14.14 | Khertan | my package seems to not be in extras .... since 13h00 (it s 17h14 here) |
| 15:14.17 | Khertan | is i normal ? |
| 15:14.54 | Khertan | does a mail is send when package is accepted or refused ? |
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| 15:19.26 | Spakman | Khertan: thanks :) |
| 15:19.46 | lopz | hi |
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| 15:22.15 | hrw | bye |
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| 15:49.56 | Khertan_n810 | Rahhh lovely illimited data 3g connection |
| 15:50.15 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, isn't it ;) |
| 15:50.46 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, are you using sfr ? |
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| 15:51.02 | Khertan_n810 | maybe someone can inform me, someone know how i can contact maintainer of extras maemo repository |
| 15:51.04 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 15:51.21 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie > no, orange |
| 15:51.23 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, check the package, should be an email in the package info |
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| 15:51.36 | CrashandDie | Khertan, hmm, ok, how did you connect the n810 with your phone ? |
| 15:52.01 | Khertan_n810 | i m talking about maintainer of tthe repository not packages maintainer |
| 15:52.16 | Khertan_n810 | crashanddie > with bluetooth |
| 15:52.26 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 15:52.54 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, I guess garage@maemo.org would be the way to go here |
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| 15:53.19 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, ok, I have the SFR 3G usb dongle, connected to my laptop, laptop spawns a wifi signal for the n810 |
| 15:53.20 | Khertan_n810 | hum modest is more and more buggy |
| 15:53.35 | CrashandDie | I don't have any problems with modest, what's wrong ? |
| 15:53.36 | Khertan_n810 | the first beta work better than the last one ! |
| 15:54.03 | Khertan_n810 | can't send nothing to my smtp |
| 15:54.12 | CrashandDie | hmm |
| 15:54.19 | Khertan_n810 | don t retrieve content of email |
| 15:54.40 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, did you check with another way of getting of the internet ? Maybe it's your connection... |
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| 15:55.13 | Khertan_n810 | and is frequently not responding (freeze) |
| 15:55.37 | christian00 | hi guys |
| 15:55.57 | Khertan_n810 | hi christian00 |
| 15:56.17 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, I dunno, don't have any problems, do you want to contact the repo maintainer for that ? |
| 15:57.23 | Khertan_n810 | no i want to contact repo maintainer to know why pypackager and pygtkeditor is still not validated in the repo |
| 15:57.43 | CrashandDie | hmm, ok |
| 15:57.55 | christian00 | i have a legal question about maemo,i tried to look for info everywhere but i couldn't find it.Is the maemo platform freely redistributable with any device?or nokia tablets are the only one allowed to use it? |
| 15:57.57 | Khertan_n810 | i ve submit it with a new version of pypackager ... |
| 15:58.16 | Khertan_n810 | which is not available yet |
| 15:58.23 | CrashandDie | christian00, hang on, I have the answer for that |
| 15:58.35 | Khertan_n810 | as i wantto be sure that upload process is ok |
| 15:58.44 | christian00 | thanx crashanddie |
| 15:59.04 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, how long have the packages been uploaded ? |
| 15:59.13 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, did the scp happen AOK ? |
| 15:59.14 | Khertan_n810 | not so long |
| 15:59.21 | dougt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.26 | Khertan_n810 | i m a bit pressed :) |
| 15:59.31 | Khertan_n810 | scp ok :) |
| 15:59.55 | Khertan_n810 | i ve push it this day at 13h00 GMT +1 |
| 16:00.45 | Khertan_n810 | no not the tunnel ! |
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| 16:00.51 | Khertan_n810 | rer powa |
| 16:02.41 | CrashandDie | christian00, the target market was the nokia nxx0 series, but considering that Maemo (ITOS200x) is based on Debian, the fact that it uses a lot of open source components and only a bit of closed source (drivers for particular pieces of hardware mainly), and the recent announcement that Ubuntu Mobile was going to use Hildon (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+roadmap), I'd say Maemo is clean for use on other de |
| 16:02.41 | CrashandDie | vices, yes |
| 16:03.54 | christian00 | oh cool.and apart from flash 9 |
| 16:03.54 | CrashandDie | dougt, yes, don't ask me how though, but I know it's feasible |
| 16:03.56 | johnx | Well, the parts that are open-source/free software are of course freely distributable. For the parts that are closed-source/Nokia proprietary you'd of course have to ask Nokia |
| 16:04.07 | christian00 | are there any parts unique to nokia? |
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| 16:04.20 | CrashandDie | johnx, but I'm right saying that the whole Maemo "concept" is free ? |
| 16:04.42 | CrashandDie | johnx, only the drivers are closed, drivers you wouldn't need anyway |
| 16:05.21 | johnx | browser-ui, mediaplayer, the onscreen keyboards, the statusbar plugins for brightness/battery, and many other things are closed source |
| 16:05.29 | christian00 | argh |
| 16:05.32 | CrashandDie | hmm |
| 16:05.41 | johnx | (the control panel, the image viewer *I think*, the web and contacts menus |
| 16:05.55 | CrashandDie | NOKIA OWNS THE WEB ??? |
| 16:06.00 | CrashandDie | OMG |
| 16:06.00 | christian00 | that's not few things |
| 16:06.16 | christian00 | basically most of the GUI is closed source |
| 16:06.19 | johnx | you can still get a basic hildon-desktop running without those things |
| 16:06.28 | johnx | the foundations are open source |
| 16:06.47 | CrashandDie | christian00, if you want to port it to another device, you'd have to rewrite a lot of stuff anyhow |
| 16:06.49 | Khertan_n810 | rah modest is freeze ... again |
| 16:06.58 | CrashandDie | Khertan, froze |
| 16:07.14 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, RER ? Where to ? |
| 16:07.17 | johnx | but yes, a lot of the actual apps are closed...however, Nokia is open to providing more source. Look at this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 |
| 16:07.38 | christian00 | because we want to create an open source device |
| 16:07.52 | johnx | christian00, is this a device that's out already? |
| 16:08.09 | christian00 | no,we are still at early design phase |
| 16:08.16 | johnx | ah |
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| 16:08.27 | christian00 | so we are evaluating the os to use |
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| 16:08.52 | christian00 | the maemo seemed the best ,as it already had many app |
| 16:08.59 | christian00 | and had a nice ui |
| 16:09.24 | johnx | there are a lot of open source parts worth using |
| 16:09.33 | johnx | and many of the apps that are closed have open source alternatives |
| 16:09.43 | johnx | instead of Nokia's browser-ui you could use Midori |
| 16:10.01 | johnx | instead of the built-in media player you could use youamp or ukmp |
| 16:10.02 | christian00 | what do you mean about browser-ui? |
| 16:10.23 | johnx | the UI parts of the browser are closed, but the rendering engine is open |
| 16:10.51 | christian00 | what bother me most is the hardware control,such as battery,bluetooth,wi-fi |
| 16:10.59 | christian00 | i thought these were abstracted |
| 16:11.33 | christian00 | and only needed to add driver and adapt some interface |
| 16:11.34 | CrashandDie | christian00, only the UI of those parts are closed |
| 16:11.34 | johnx | well, they're actually somewhat abstracted by Nokia closed source stuff. Nokia's battery management app is closed |
| 16:12.02 | CrashandDie | christian00, anyway, you'll probably have to write a whole new battery management system on a another device |
| 16:12.04 | johnx | CrashandDie, the wifi driver is closed, as is the battery charging and monitoring software |
| 16:12.26 | johnx | The bluetooth driver is open source, I believe |
| 16:12.43 | CrashandDie | christian00, mind if I ask which company would be wanting to launch this ? |
| 16:13.15 | christian00 | not the driver |
| 16:13.33 | christian00 | but the control panel |
| 16:14.58 | christian00 | it would slow down development |
| 16:15.21 | christian00 | if we had to write the control panel for each device |
| 16:15.54 | christian00 | and if they are abstracted by nokia parts |
| 16:16.06 | christian00 | it mean current apps won't work |
| 16:16.38 | christian00 | CrashandDie ,our company is pasen ( en.pasen.it |
| 16:16.43 | christian00 | ) |
| 16:16.50 | CrashandDie | johnx, nokia didn't open bme I take it then ? How is that debian port going ? |
| 16:17.39 | CrashandDie | oh |
| 16:18.42 | johnx | CrashandDie, I haven't been working on it lately. I might poke at it again, since there seems to be more interest lately |
| 16:18.42 | christian00 | we wanted to focus on hardware and leave the device open to any change,but had to ship with at least a ready os to be commercially attractive for normal user too |
| 16:18.59 | CrashandDie | christian00, if you're based in italy... How come the UI is in some asian language ? |
| 16:19.34 | CrashandDie | johnx, well I might get myself a few extra sd cards for the n810, and start playing around with android, and other distributions |
| 16:19.45 | christian00 | because we aren't manufacturer |
| 16:20.02 | christian00 | this will be our first project built from scratch |
| 16:20.10 | CrashandDie | christian00, wow, nice |
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| 16:20.31 | christian00 | the mp3 you see are made by some other factory,and they passed us the picture too |
| 16:20.54 | CrashandDie | christian00, did you look at openmoko ? Hell even Android I know it's phone based, but it might be more interesting than maemo |
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| 16:21.07 | CrashandDie | christian00, they have a pretty good photographer ;) |
| 16:21.20 | christian00 | that's why we didn't remade them :D |
| 16:21.44 | christian00 | yes i looked into openmoko and android |
| 16:21.46 | johnx | CrashandDie, there's no source for Android at all, until Google provides it |
| 16:21.54 | christian00 | android was our first choice |
| 16:22.48 | christian00 | but i just discovered it's still lacking many parts |
| 16:23.07 | johnx | christian00, Nokia hasn't been completely against open sourcing the rest of Maemo. It might be worth talking to them to see if you could sponsor the opening of more of it or something along those lines |
| 16:23.28 | Blafasel | I still hope to hold an OpenMoko phone one day.. |
| 16:23.34 | johnx | I hate to see handheld Linux fracturing off into so many directions when in many ways Maemo really is "good enough" |
| 16:23.50 | christian00 | we could add application in that,but won't have a common graphical omogenity(does this term exist ? ) |
| 16:23.55 | mwaldron | remembers this arguement back with familiar... |
| 16:24.37 | johnx | mwaldron, and I remember the Zaurus community fracturing... |
| 16:24.47 | christian00 | and i saw openmoko too,this is our other choice as of now,and it's good because it also have telephony |
| 16:25.21 | christian00 | but there does seem to be much less applications for it yet,and the community is much more technical |
| 16:25.23 | johnx | openmoko or angstrom might fit the bill. What do you want your users to be able to do with this device? |
| 16:25.30 | CrashandDie | anyway, I'm off, I'll be back later |
| 16:25.41 | christian00 | the maemo community is much more user friendly |
| 16:25.49 | christian00 | what is angstrom? |
| 16:25.51 | Navi | I hate that buzz term. |
| 16:25.56 | Navi | "User friendly" |
| 16:26.09 | christian00 | haha |
| 16:26.22 | CrashandDie | Navi, user friendly has been around for 2 decades |
| 16:26.34 | christian00 | we want it to be as more as flexible as possible |
| 16:26.38 | CrashandDie | Navi, hardly a "buzz term", "buzz term", on the other hand, is a "buzz term" |
| 16:26.55 | johnx | christian00, angstrom is another distribution built out of open-embedded: http://angstrom-distribution.org |
| 16:27.07 | Navi | CrashandDie, "buzz term" isn't even used |
| 16:27.12 | Navi | hardly a "buzz term" |
| 16:27.20 | CrashandDie | :D |
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| 16:27.54 | Khertan_n810 | hi again |
| 16:28.10 | christian00 | angstrom is even more technical :D |
| 16:28.18 | Khertan_n810 | 3g doesnt work very well underground |
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| 16:28.37 | Navi | Wonder why. |
| 16:29.13 | christian00 | it should be because of the band frequency used |
| 16:29.18 | christian00 | if i remember well |
| 16:29.49 | johnx | christian00, angstrom may appear that way at first glance, but it can be configured in a reasonably friendly way, and there are lots of apps |
| 16:30.05 | CrashandDie | johnx, openembedded a candidate ? |
| 16:30.19 | johnx | openembedded is a build system |
| 16:30.27 | johnx | the build system used to build angstrom and openmoko |
| 16:30.38 | Khertan_n810 | someone could give me again the email of maemo repository team ? log haven't work |
| 16:30.40 | johnx | openembedded can also build apps for maemo :) |
| 16:30.56 | CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, garage@maemo.org |
| 16:31.08 | Navi | woo |
| 16:31.10 | Khertan_n810 | thx |
| 16:31.27 | CrashandDie | anyway, cheers, bbl |
| 16:31.42 | christian00 | speaking of mail,what email could i use to ask maemo about the closed source? |
| 16:32.12 | christian00 | there isn't a single email on their website except in some news |
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| 16:32.19 | johnx | the maemo-developers mailing list might be a good place |
| 16:32.57 | johnx | Make sure you tell them the whole story about why you're interested in the source. |
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| 16:37.06 | johnx | Give them as much information as you can, and tell them which parts you care about being open sourced the most |
| 16:37.41 | Navi | \o/ |
| 16:37.56 | Navi | Yeah, they've been looking to open up vital parts or something |
| 16:37.57 | johnx | Navi, eh? |
| 16:38.06 | Navi | I'm bored |
| 16:38.06 | johnx | ah, yes |
| 16:38.51 | christian00 | ok i will try there |
| 16:39.40 | johnx | alright, good luck |
| 16:40.23 | christian00 | thank you |
| 16:40.32 | johnx | you're welcome :) |
| 16:40.50 | Khertan_n810 | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/04/09/os2008-homescreen-hackery/#comment-261157 |
| 16:40.53 | Khertan_n810 | huhu |
| 16:41.17 | Khertan_n810 | poor comment due to the fact that none repository is available for my python applet |
| 16:42.07 | johnx | sometimes thinks it would have been easier if Qtopia had stayed the only game in town back in the Zaurus days... |
| 16:42.09 | Khertan_n810 | i hope maemo repository team will validdate my pypacker made packages to push all my softwares to extras repository |
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| 16:45.03 | Navi | Someone with money should set up a unified community repository. |
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| 16:45.58 | VRe__ | Navi: yeah, like extras in maemo.org :) |
| 16:46.12 | Khertan_n810 | navi > the problem is mainly that upload to maemo repository need a computer working on an debian based distribution |
| 16:46.13 | Navi | too bad extras sucks. |
| 16:46.22 | johnx | Navi, it still wouldn't be official, and thus just cause more confusion... |
| 16:46.30 | Khertan_n810 | and that uploading to extras is a real pain |
| 16:46.34 | Navi | ^ |
| 16:46.42 | Navi | johnx, perhaps |
| 16:46.51 | johnx | Khertan_n810, get yourself a debian chroot :D |
| 16:47.10 | Khertan_n810 | it s why i m modifying pypackager to be able to upload to extras |
| 16:47.16 | Navi | but get it popular enough and we should see a good adoption rate. |
| 16:47.20 | Khertan_n810 | johnx on a tablet ? |
| 16:47.29 | Khertan_n810 | can t due to busybox |
| 16:47.48 | johnx | Khertan_n810, sure, why not? There's a Debian chroot or you can boot Debian from your SD card |
| 16:48.01 | johnx | a little bit of overkill, but workable |
| 16:48.31 | Khertan_n810 | i don t want to reboot each time to make a package and send it |
| 16:48.45 | Khertan_n810 | overkill ... it s the word |
| 16:48.46 | johnx | right, so use a chroot |
| 16:48.50 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: uploading to extras does NOT require you to be running a Debian-based distro |
| 16:49.08 | johnx | Khertan_n810, agreed. I'm just saying you *could* :) |
| 16:49.14 | Khertan_n810 | jaffa ... no but it s help to create the package |
| 16:49.23 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 16:49.47 | Khertan_n810 | i know because i ve do it from my tablet |
| 16:50.03 | Khertan_n810 | with gnupg / scp |
| 16:50.25 | Khertan_n810 | i m just waiting for validation |
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| 16:50.37 | Khertan_n810 | to be sure that the process is ok |
| 16:51.46 | Khertan_n810 | clicking on a toolbar icon in npypackager will ease a lot the publication in extras :) |
| 16:52.38 | Khertan_n810 | do u know if there is an answer if package isn't validated by the repository maintainer ? |
| 16:52.46 | Khertan_n810 | +s |
| 16:53.40 | johnx | 'night all |
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| 16:59.13 | Khertan_n810 | arg python launcher prevents displaying error when script launched from pgtkeditor |
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| 17:10.12 | Khertan_n810 | bye |
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| 17:35.12 | zxula | is there a way to mount the rootfs.jffs2 unpacked jffs2 image file from the n810 FIASCO image under a pc? |
| 17:39.57 | wnd | yes |
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| 17:43.25 | zxula | is there a howto for it? |
| 17:44.03 | zxula | I tried the losetup/loopback, mount routes but it didn't work it says the superblock is wrong as if it doesn't identify the filesystem |
| 17:44.12 | pH5 | zxula: google "mtdram" |
| 17:44.13 | zxula | I also tried mapping it to /dev/mtd0 with no success |
| 17:44.34 | zxula | pH5: k thx |
| 17:44.49 | mgedmin | pH5: have you used it successfully? |
| 17:44.56 | pH5 | yes |
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| 17:45.26 | mgedmin | I always get errors that my kernel doesn't have enough ram for the new large images |
| 17:46.02 | pH5 | mgedmin: are you sure your total_size module parameter is chosen big enough? |
| 17:46.05 | wnd | iirc it used to be that you had to define the maximum size when you loaded the kernel module |
| 17:46.24 | mgedmin | pH5: that's the problem, when total_size = 64 megs, the image won't fit, but when total_size = 128 megs, I cannot insmod |
| 17:46.27 | mgedmin | FATAL: Error inserting mtdram (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/mtd/devices/mtdram.ko): Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:46.33 | mgedmin | dmesg|tail says allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. |
| 17:47.02 | mgedmin | I probably should try adding vmalloc=something in grub |
| 17:47.05 | mgedmin | but that's too much hassle |
| 17:49.44 | phunguy | so |
| 17:49.48 | phunguy | with this maps that comes with the n810 |
| 17:49.57 | phunguy | routing isn't allowed unless you pay? |
| 17:50.17 | mgedmin | phunguy: right |
| 17:50.23 | mgedmin | try maemo mapper instead |
| 17:51.57 | pH5 | mgedmin: not sure, I have not fiddled with any vmalloc settings, and I can load mtdram with 128MB (vanilla 2.6.24 kernel) |
| 17:52.06 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 17:52.10 | lcuk | hi guys, i have written a bunch of code which i want to release as gpl. however at some later date i want the option of taking it into work and utilising it with our closed application portfolio, or sell customisations to further clients. as the original author is this a viable proposition? |
| 17:52.19 | mgedmin | 2.6.22 from ubuntu gutsy here |
| 17:52.38 | mgedmin | lcuk: as the original author you don't need a licence to do whatever you want with the code |
| 17:52.41 | pH5 | lcuk: sure, as long as you don't take any contributions of third parties under gpl with you. |
| 17:52.44 | phunguy | <mgedmin> does maemo mapper need a constant data connection or does it use the maps already installed on the device |
| 17:52.45 | mgedmin | licences are for other people |
| 17:52.56 | mgedmin | phunguy: it has its own map cache |
| 17:53.08 | mgedmin | you can download maps when online and then stay offline |
| 17:53.22 | lcuk | so even though the core is available and open to everyone else i can just grab my sections of it and use them in whatever apps i want at work |
| 17:53.37 | mgedmin | routing needs web access to create the route, and then you can work offline |
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| 17:54.32 | derf | lcuk: Modulo any IP agreement you've signed with your employer. |
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| 17:55.51 | lcuk | my ideas are my own, my time out of the premises are my own, my core ideas are my own, however the work coded implimentation is theirs. i agreed this in writing when i started before i even heard about proper open source :) |
| 17:56.07 | lcuk | and besides its in vb :P |
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| 17:57.58 | lcuk | sfrom a technical basis i could open source my app now and at some arbitary point in the future (as long as either no contribs from other people, or a written agreement with them) i can close the source and cease public development as required |
| 17:58.09 | lcuk | keeping the last oss version available obviously |
| 17:58.12 | zxula | I got the same error when I try to insmod with the vmalloc |
| 17:58.51 | lcuk | has never released code in this was before |
| 17:58.55 | zxula | I guess it needs vmalloc=256m in the grub.conf or something |
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| 18:04.46 | KotCzarny | Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! |
| 18:04.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:09.07 | lcuk | evening kot |
| 18:10.13 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 18:10.43 | lcuk | hey you cant b tired - i had less sleep than you - about 4 hours i think |
| 18:10.56 | KotCzarny | yesterday i have slept 4h |
| 18:11.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:11.14 | lcuk | sounds familiar |
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| 18:15.11 | lcuk | hmm |
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| 18:20.15 | TuxProbe | hiya :) say.. is the nokia770 vo driver better for any of the tablet series from nokia? or should i just go with a safebet as x11? |
| 18:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | The Nokia 770. |
| 18:21.30 | KotCzarny | tuxprobe: don't ask, use -benchmark |
| 18:22.00 | KotCzarny | and it was renamed to omapfb in newest mplayer .26 |
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| 18:24.24 | TuxProbe | ok.. it still has the old alias? |
| 18:24.36 | KotCzarny | probably |
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| 18:28.20 | TuxProbe | nice nice, i just found out why my app kept crashing while doing video heh |
| 18:33.33 | jobu_ | for booting off mmc, do you need to partition the FAT portion if you don't plan on using it? |
| 18:34.46 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 18:34.50 | KotCzarny | but it's usefull |
| 18:34.57 | KotCzarny | (a little) |
| 18:35.52 | jobu_ | kk |
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| 19:20.11 | qgil | About http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ |
| 19:20.15 | qgil | what about this |
| 19:21.15 | qgil | 1. MAEMO COMMUNITY UPDATE: Niels Breet, someone in this chatroom *now* and myself |
| 19:22.55 | lcuk | oooer qgil, seems like tumbleweeds - its been quiet for a while this evening |
| 19:22.59 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, qgil. |
| 19:23.44 | qgil | 2. COOL MAEMO APPS: Alberto Garcia (Vagalume), another cool app developer here now and Urho Konttori (UKMP, Nokia developer and whatnot) |
| 19:23.50 | qgil | hi there :) |
| 19:24.57 | lcuk | shame this is in germany |
| 19:25.18 | lcuk | are you based there qgil, or are you flying in specially? |
| 19:26.03 | GeneralAntilles | I just hope we have somebody there to record everything. |
| 19:26.24 | qgil | 3. COOL PLATFORM HACKS: Kees Jongenburger, a cool platform hacker present here now and Tuomas Kulve (Ogg support) |
| 19:26.34 | qgil | I'm based in Helsinki and I will fly to Berlin |
| 19:26.43 | GeneralAntilles | What about pupnik for cool platform hacks? |
| 19:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | Mr. Emulator |
| 19:26.53 | qgil | I plan to record audio at least - in OSiM USA was pretty useful |
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| 19:28.04 | lcuk | cool, i second the pupnik note - he has been tirelessly beavering away compiling and tweaking and has a nice growing set of files |
| 19:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | He's right around there, too. |
| 19:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | For #1, what about Jaffa? |
| 19:29.20 | qgil | 4. MAEMO.ORG: WHAT NEXT? - Marius Gedminas, a clever mind present here and now and... someone from Nokia tbd |
| 19:29.20 | qgil | Jaffa can't attend, I asked him already |
| 19:29.22 | qgil | Yerga can't either, I asked him as well |
| 19:29.37 | qgil | the rest of names are not confirmed and many don't even know I'm mentioning them here and now :) |
| 19:29.42 | lcuk | get GeneralAntilles a ticket for him and his cat and he will come ;) |
| 19:29.51 | qgil | well, keesj has just confirmed |
| 19:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:30.30 | qgil | restriction: must be in Europe (budget is limited and we are paying travel, accommodation 1-3 nights and registration to these guys |
| 19:30.46 | lcuk | hah - i was joking as well lol |
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| 19:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse might be another option for community. |
| 19:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | He's in the UK. |
| 19:32.04 | qgil | (I confess getting lost with names & nicknames sometimes) |
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| 19:32.52 | qgil | to be frank, I'd be happy having in a same room all the people that have reminded us several times many things Nokia could do better, with clever arguments |
| 19:33.04 | qgil | ah, I was also thinkin on Florian Boor |
| 19:33.12 | qgil | Andrew Flegg |
| 19:33.30 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse is Neil MacLeod on bugzilla. |
| 19:33.38 | lcuk | khertan is someone who has done something noone else has: hes developed apps directly on his nokia |
| 19:33.39 | qgil | ah yes |
| 19:33.39 | keesj | Andrew == Jaffa |
| 19:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not a bad ideaâbig Python hacker. |
| 19:34.04 | qgil | ah wait, then who is Frantisek? |
| 19:34.06 | lcuk | hes wrote the editor and works directly on his nokia for about 3 hours a day with nothing else |
| 19:34.14 | qgil | oh my :) |
| 19:34.41 | lcuk | and hes in france |
| 19:34.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://khertan.net/ |
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| 19:34.56 | qgil | let me start editing the wiki page not to get lost... |
| 19:36.05 | lcuk | and he is also trying to get a whole end to end dev environment setup (I believe) so he can even push updates built with the py deb packager thing directly into extras :) ( he was talking about it earlier) |
| 19:36.12 | qgil | Alright: 3. COOL PLATFORM HACKS: Kees Jongenburger, a cool platform hacker present here now and Tuomas Kulve (Ogg support) - candidates for the vacant? |
| 19:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik |
| 19:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | ArnimS on itT |
| 19:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://pupnik.de/ |
| 19:37.06 | qgil | .de sounds good :) |
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| 19:37.26 | qgil | pupnik: ping |
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| 19:37.34 | dougt | it looks like tp w/ my font cache patch has issues |
| 19:37.50 | dougt | nm wrong channel. dumb colloquy. |
| 19:38.13 | pupnik | what what? |
| 19:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | You're being drafted. |
| 19:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | Get your gear. :P |
| 19:39.01 | pH5 | :D |
| 19:39.12 | keesj | pupnik: ported every single emulator on the planet to maemo right? |
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| 19:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | As far a we can tell. :D |
| 19:39.54 | lcuk | he even tried to port an emulator of an emulator but ended up vanishing in a puff of smoke |
| 19:40.15 | qgil | pupnik: can we invite you to LinuxTag? |
| 19:40.25 | pupnik | sure that'd be fun! |
| 19:40.33 | qgil | alright, great |
| 19:41.12 | lcuk | its on the Falkland Islands this year. Nokia will supply a canoe |
| 19:41.21 | pupnik | googles |
| 19:41.28 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ |
| 19:41.35 | qgil | kulve: are you here? |
| 19:41.48 | MangoFusion_ | nokia are making canoe's now? |
| 19:42.09 | lcuk | only OLED ones |
| 19:42.14 | maba | well they made military boots a long time ago so why not ;) |
| 19:42.15 | GeneralAntilles | demands a canoe. |
| 19:42.48 | qgil | (let's assume Tuomas Kulve aka Ogg Support man can do it) |
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| 19:43.32 | pH5 | arh, too bad it's on thursday. is there already a rough plan what'll be in the morning and what in the afternoon? |
| 19:45.22 | qgil | about 2. COOL MAEMO APPS: Alberto Garcia (Vagalume), another cool app developer here now and Urho Konttori (UKMP, Nokia developer and whatnot) |
| 19:46.02 | qgil | I'll send an email to Alberto right now (or is he here? I don't know his nick) |
| 19:46.24 | qgil | konttori: are you here? |
| 19:46.34 | qgil | and candidates for the third place? |
| 19:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see gnuite there. |
| 19:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad he's state-side. |
| 19:46.58 | qgil | ph5 the LinuxTag program is being defined these days |
| 19:47.19 | qgil | yeah, we'll find another chance - hopefully later this year |
| 19:48.01 | qgil | so we don't have cool maemo app developers in europe |
| 19:48.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 19:48.29 | lcuk | of course you do :) like i said khertan |
| 19:48.41 | lcuk | lol hes the only 1 |
| 19:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | What about ssvb? |
| 19:49.12 | pupnik | oh man, i'd pay to meet him :) |
| 19:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | An FBReader person might be cool, too, but I don't know if any of them are actually involved in the community. |
| 19:49.47 | lcuk | not sure where people are - i dont see daytime lot here in england (working) but generally end up with the statesiders |
| 19:50.06 | qgil | omg I'm getting in an endless loop trying to get the email address from Alberto at http://people.igalia.com/berto/ |
| 19:50.32 | lcuk | fbreader is just a quick port - its mainly shared code from what i can gather |
| 19:50.36 | pupnik | qgil i'd need an invite in writing if you could manage that |
| 19:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | qgil, https://garage.maemo.org/users/agarcia/ |
| 19:50.55 | qgil | yes I can do that - only not today :) |
| 19:51.08 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: clever move |
| 19:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 19:52.30 | lcuk | pupnik, you would need more than invite in writing. you cant wait till the other end to pick up tickets ;) |
| 19:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | Well, for cool maemo apps either Khertan or ssvb (mplayer) are good options. |
| 19:53.19 | lcuk | mmm yes, get the heavy guns out :) |
| 19:53.34 | qgil | and Florian for the GPE suite? |
| 19:53.50 | qgil | (I'm trying to save some money here, yes) |
| 19:54.07 | qgil | since Florian will be in LinuxTag for sure |
| 19:54.34 | pH5 | hehe, I think flo_lap is online right now |
| 19:55.35 | qgil | in another channel you mean? |
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| 19:56.08 | qgil | (it would be funny to say "we will invite the next one joining the channel) :) |
| 19:56.27 | pH5 | yes, #gpe-project or #oe for example |
| 19:56.40 | qgil | do you mind calling him to come here? |
| 19:56.41 | jott | qgil: will there also be some kind of hacking session (like a reserved room for some nice chatting and hacking) |
| 19:57.09 | qgil | why not, I can ask - but before we need to make sure thre is a critical mass for that |
| 19:57.53 | jott | sure. atleast most of the speakers will be there ;-) |
| 19:57.56 | qgil | afair LinuxTag has plenty of room around to organize informal hacks of 10 people or so |
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| 19:59.03 | flo_lap | re |
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| 20:00.13 | keesj | qgil: the only thing is really that I guess the real-real mamona hackers are located in Brasil. I am merly there local spokesmen |
| 20:00.18 | qgil | flo_lap: can we invite you to LinuxTag? :D |
| 20:00.41 | qgil | keesj: you can speak about whatever - you have earned the invitation by own merits |
| 20:00.55 | flo_lap | qgil: Sure... but I'll be there anyway. |
| 20:01.03 | pH5 | he knew that |
| 20:01.18 | lcuk | qgil is wise and read the rosta |
| 20:02.01 | lcuk | right, time to get back into this box of mine |
| 20:02.04 | lcuk | back later |
| 20:02.12 | qgil | lcuk: thanks! |
| 20:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | duct tapes lcuk's box shut. |
| 20:02.36 | dougt | does maemo differentiate between a stylus touch and a finger touch? |
| 20:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, dougt. |
| 20:02.55 | Cptnodegard | if its a finger, it bites you |
| 20:03.01 | qgil | flo_lap: see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ - Cool maemo apps |
| 20:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | Though less-so on 50-2/51-3 than previous releases. |
| 20:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | Something was broken and appears to (potentially) be fixed in Diablo (at least from bugzilla reports). |
| 20:03.44 | dougt | GeneralAntilles: are there docs or an api to tell the difference? |
| 20:03.57 | flo_lap | If I start to sound strange today that's because I spend the day digging in hardware registers :) |
| 20:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure offhand, dougt, but FBReader might be a good place to look for code examples. |
| 20:05.14 | dougt | cool thanks |
| 20:05.18 | qgil | About 1. MAEMO COMMUNITY UPDATE: Niels Breet, someone in this chatroom *now* and myself |
| 20:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse! :D |
| 20:05.35 | qgil | ( flo_lap - are you confirming then?) |
| 20:05.43 | qgil | milhouse: are you here? |
| 20:05.44 | flo_lap | qgil: right, I did not manage to read the wiki yet... one sec |
| 20:05.52 | lcuk | dougt, if you are using x11 or gtk or something you will not have the pressure information required. you have to enable the RAWmode mouse support to get pressure information. (though you could possibly hack something together based upon the amount of jitter) |
| 20:06.18 | lcuk | you can enable the pressure information, theres a wiki somewhere with it - ill dig it out for you |
| 20:06.24 | dougt | please. |
| 20:06.26 | lcuk | or were you not meaning from code.. |
| 20:06.29 | dougt | that would be sexy hot for a browser. |
| 20:06.37 | dougt | code would be great |
| 20:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, I'd try email, I haven't seen him around in the last couple days. |
| 20:07.15 | qgil | (now that I think in cool platform hacks we can invite Kate Alhola as well) |
| 20:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | s/milhouse/qgil/ |
| 20:07.46 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: where can I get the address? |
| 20:08.00 | MoRpHeUz | qgil: do you have the log of who edited the wiki ? (how many people) ? |
| 20:08.46 | qgil | hi MoRpHeUz ! not many, some people added data and i am the only one deleting right now to get the areas clean |
| 20:09.22 | qgil | Jaffa: are you here? |
| 20:09.26 | MoRpHeUz | qgil: yeah...because I'm following it and it looks like that too few people edited that (I was the first one to edit hehehe) |
| 20:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | qgil, http://maemo.org/profile/view/milhouse.html |
| 20:09.36 | pupnik | qgil is there some magic hacked tablet that will be available to present software on a projection or large monitor? |
| 20:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | Only email I see is the bugzilla email |
| 20:09.41 | lcuk | dougt, http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData :) this code will give the information required but will need tweaking i think per device because i believeit is uncalibrated and if you start using other display modes it may be out of alignment alltogether. |
| 20:09.42 | MoRpHeUz | qgil: any feedback from the other channels ? (ITT, etc..) ? |
| 20:10.19 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: there is a Nokia team that has done that and they are based in Germany so I'm hoping to have them there as well |
| 20:10.43 | ]-[andful_of_not | qgil : the project from the german guys is awesome :) |
| 20:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | noBounds |
| 20:11.01 | ]-[andful_of_not | yeah :p |
| 20:11.02 | lcuk | nobounds is a windows app |
| 20:11.12 | dougt | lcuk: have you used it? |
| 20:11.13 | lcuk | you can see the xp borders on the video ;) |
| 20:11.21 | lcuk | used what? nobounds? |
| 20:11.23 | ]-[andful_of_not | lol |
| 20:11.43 | dougt | Pressure Data from x. |
| 20:11.44 | lcuk | it connects with nokia and mirrors everything but its not running the hidef display directly from nokia |
| 20:11.58 | lcuk | yes i use it :) |
| 20:12.02 | lcuk | and it works nicely |
| 20:12.09 | KotCzarny | well, almost |
| 20:12.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:12.14 | lcuk | lolololol |
| 20:12.21 | lcuk | shhhh that was a bug :P |
| 20:12.30 | ]-[andful_of_not | waiting for real testing it :) |
| 20:12.30 | KotCzarny | be it one :) |
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| 20:13.22 | lcuk | well i am happy to put up a binary tonight and after a bit more discussion with a couple of people later on ill decide on the source tactic :) |
| 20:13.33 | thiagoss | I'm developing a maemo application that would use interprocess communication, using both signals and methods, what do you guys recomend: dbus or libosso? |
| 20:13.33 | qgil | MoRpHeUz: the changelog of the wiki page: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/__ais/rcs/6e1ebf54017511dd96cd8ffb9e08f938f938/ |
| 20:13.49 | lcuk | is leaning towards gpl for now |
| 20:13.51 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, release early, release often and GPL! :P |
| 20:13.59 | KotCzarny | dbus is more portable i guess |
| 20:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise we're going to burn effigies of you. :D |
| 20:14.10 | KotCzarny | ie. already available for regular linux |
| 20:15.04 | lcuk | well i was reading up on a number of licenses and i need to keep options open for if i want to close it down later - but people have commented that since its my code anyway i can choose to just close off if required (and obviously getting permission from any additional contributors if any) |
| 20:15.28 | thiagoss | KotCzarny: As far as I've read about libOSSO, it doesn't support signals, or I haven't found anything about it. |
| 20:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, why would you close it? |
| 20:15.59 | KotCzarny | thiagoss: i know next to nothing about libosso, unfortunatelly |
| 20:16.14 | thiagoss | KotCzarny: I see, thanks :) |
| 20:16.20 | lcuk | because i work in a closed source shop and if i decide to incorporate it into one of our apps i know it would only be possible if i didnt have to give everything away |
| 20:16.36 | KotCzarny | lcuk, maybe bsd licence then? |
| 20:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | fork it, then. |
| 20:16.55 | KotCzarny | seeing that m$ was happily using it in their kernel |
| 20:17.01 | GeneralAntilles | Maintain a closed version and a GPL version. |
| 20:17.32 | KotCzarny | so you can allow others using your code, and close it for yourself later too |
| 20:17.34 | lcuk | im not sure yet. GeneralAntilles i wouldnt need to fork it - i could just say "right, no more gpl updates" and that would be that - the code upto that point would remain open and available |
| 20:17.51 | flo_lap | lcuk: search for a new shop ;) |
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| 20:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | That's an option, too, but the less desirable one for the community at large. :P |
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| 20:18.14 | lcuk | i was asking this earlier and thinking along the lines of a dual license, but since its my code i dont need to.. |
| 20:18.29 | lcuk | nwhy - i update everything and would be doing the code |
| 20:18.41 | lcuk | if someone wanted some part of it it wouldnt be hidden |
| 20:18.46 | KotCzarny | lcuk, anyway, it's your own code, so no one could tell you what to do after closing it |
| 20:18.52 | KotCzarny | no matter what licence it was |
| 20:18.59 | lcuk | exactly.. |
| 20:19.06 | lcuk | so im thinking of keeping it simple |
| 20:19.21 | flo_lap | qgil: okay... well, I should be able to attend and prepare a little bit about GPE and syncing... but not that much. |
| 20:19.27 | lcuk | has read up on about 40 licenses today and my eyes are swimming in legalese |
| 20:19.31 | KotCzarny | the only way licences are for is to keep other from profiting (unlawfully) from your work |
| 20:19.47 | KotCzarny | *others |
| 20:20.39 | lcuk | flo_lap, no, my boss is a good man who pays well and gives me enough freedom to code as i need to :) |
| 20:20.55 | qgil | flo_lap: the most important part is to be active during the track - we are looking for bright minds with opinions about maemo present & future |
| 20:21.27 | lcuk | qgil, unless you could get nokia to pay me better than him ;) |
| 20:21.41 | qgil | qgil: how much is that? (joking) |
| 20:21.51 | lcuk | :D |
| 20:22.04 | qgil | (starts to be late here..................zzzzzzz) |
| 20:22.32 | lcuk | nice to finally see you qgil though, ive heard rumours you existed |
| 20:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:22.47 | qgil | wait, I'm not leaving |
| 20:22.58 | qgil | I want to have that wiki page almost clear |
| 20:23.05 | thiagoss | What advantages libosso has over dbus for inter application communication? |
| 20:23.20 | lcuk | and whilst we have you, can you dig out a powervr driver from within nokia please ;) |
| 20:23.51 | qgil | what was milhouse's name? (my brain starts to slip seriously) |
| 20:23.54 | lcuk | all these 3d devices are making our little tablets nervous |
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| 20:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | Neil MacLeod, qgil. |
| 20:24.21 | qgil | lcuk: c'mon, all devices I know are 3D |
| 20:24.45 | lcuk | you mean in space or rendering capabilities? |
| 20:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 20:25.52 | flo_lap | qgil: ok, should be possible somehow i hope :) |
| 20:25.54 | lcuk | imagine a 3d tablet... you would hold it and your fingers would fall off |
| 20:25.59 | lcuk | 2d |
| 20:26.01 | lcuk | dang |
| 20:26.48 | qgil | flo_lap: good, thanks! |
| 20:27.13 | qgil | about 1. COMMUNITY we need 1-2 more names |
| 20:27.31 | qgil | I'm droping from that slot since I think I'm more useful in 4. maemo.org what next |
| 20:28.05 | flo_lap | qgil: Since OpenEmbedded will be there maybe someone could talk about what you can do with it for maemo. |
| 20:28.36 | ]-[andful_of_not | flo_lap: the mamona guys have been contributing and using that for building for the tablets |
| 20:28.46 | qgil | keesj: plans to talk about Mamona |
| 20:28.53 | flo_lap | qgil: ... thinking about Jalimo, Maona and Maemo support in OE |
| 20:29.11 | ]-[andful_of_not | actually Mike from open was here in the offices merging the changes from our team into their reps :) |
| 20:29.40 | qgil | sure, I'm looking for names to put in slots :) |
| 20:30.28 | flo_lap | ]-[andful_of_not: Right... someone from mamona would be nice to see there |
| 20:30.30 | lcuk | i honestly think GeneralAntilles would be great there. hes very active in the community. has seen the tablets evolve. shame hes stateside. (sorry gen, but its all true) |
| 20:31.02 | ]-[andful_of_not | flo_lap: I think the guys are available Vivijim is a good name |
| 20:31.02 | lcuk | and he has a laptop 800 ;) |
| 20:31.11 | qgil | as I say I'm sorry but this we can't afford intercontinental flights - next time (September, perhaps) |
| 20:31.11 | dougt | lcuk: i do not think that pressure stuff work out of the box. compiled fine, but when I try to use the app, every tap (or finger press) does the same thing. |
| 20:31.23 | flo_lap | ah too bad |
| 20:31.56 | lcuk | i didnt use it directly, i just needed to know which calls to make and hammered the rest into my code. |
| 20:31.59 | dougt | lcuk: you were saying that you might have to calibrate the device. do you know if "screen calibration" the app, does this? |
| 20:32.07 | ]-[andful_of_not | ah didn't know that |
| 20:32.09 | ]-[andful_of_not | too bad |
| 20:32.15 | qgil | Jaffa: stil not around? |
| 20:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa would be my other selection for community, to bad he can't attend. |
| 20:32.52 | GeneralAntilles | s/to/too/ |
| 20:33.22 | lcuk | dougt, do some printfs or display the pressure readings from xsp_event.pressure and see whats happening. on mine they range from about 300 Light touch) to about 120. i get a final reading of 0 when mouse up |
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| 20:33.50 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: wait, wait, perhaps Jaffa can attend |
| 20:33.52 | dougt | yup |
| 20:33.54 | lcuk | i dont think the calibration tool works with the readings obtained here - i believe they need calibrating yourself |
| 20:34.07 | dougt | lcuk: that is what I am doing.... the test app is pretty useless. |
| 20:34.13 | qgil | I had mistaken "Jaffa" with Frantisek, that (I think) has a similar nickname |
| 20:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | Great! milhouse, Jaffa and X-Fade would be PERFECT. |
| 20:34.29 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa is Andrew Flegg |
| 20:34.31 | KotCzarny | frantisek is fanoush |
| 20:34.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:34.48 | lcuk | are you getting the rawmouse event though? |
| 20:34.49 | lcuk | (event.type == xsp_event_base) |
| 20:34.58 | dougt | yup. |
| 20:35.05 | dougt | lcuk: i think I got what I need now. |
| 20:35.12 | lcuk | what pressure are you actually getting out of it |
| 20:35.27 | qgil | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ |
| 20:35.33 | dougt | lcuk: 60s for my big fingers, and >200 for my pen |
| 20:35.42 | qgil | this looks already like a cool program - missing still one candidate for the community update |
| 20:36.04 | lcuk | unless you press so hard you feel its gonna go through - a big fat finger pad is more spread out and gives higher pressure readings (its inverted) |
| 20:36.36 | lcuk | also - dont do LOTS of rendering or the xevent indicating stylus up (pressure==0) will not occur and you will stick 2 adjacent strokes together |
| 20:37.12 | flo_lap | qgil: It looks like Phonelink is quite active again... I don't know the people working on it, but I think projects like this are quite important. |
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| 20:38.45 | Navi | flo_lap, it's okay |
| 20:38.53 | Navi | I'm sad it doesn't support my phone |
| 20:38.59 | flo_lap | updates |
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| 20:40.50 | qgil | let me ask directly: who is following regularly the conversation in this channel and would like to provide a subjective update in LinuxTag? |
| 20:41.23 | KotCzarny | is not |
| 20:42.04 | flo_lap | would... but days are too short |
| 20:42.07 | lcuk | ive been following closely and coding hard but i havent been here long enough to be an ambassador |
| 20:42.37 | qgil | lcuk: who are you and where are you based (sorry for my ignorance, a 770 has more memory capacity than myself) |
| 20:42.43 | VRe__ | I think there is a night shift and day shift on irc |
| 20:43.19 | lcuk | im just a n00b dev based in england. this nokia is my first linux device and my first tablet. |
| 20:43.32 | lcuk | has had a steep learning curve |
| 20:43.48 | qgil | in that wiki page there are already many "ambassadors", so I'm personally not worried about this |
| 20:44.34 | qgil | lcuk: proposal for you |
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| 20:45.11 | qgil | lcuk: could you make a brief about maemo in the context of other mobile platforms around? why did you decide to invest your time here and not somewhere else? |
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| 20:45.27 | qgil | totally subjective, people could help you here on IRC |
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| 20:45.38 | KotCzarny | from a n00b perspective |
| 20:45.43 | qgil | you have 7 weeks or so |
| 20:45.59 | qgil | and you don't need to get stressed |
| 20:46.00 | KotCzarny | it's what is interesting for a other people who haven't got the device yet |
| 20:46.08 | dougt | lcuk: do you know if this is the only way to get pressure info from the device? is there something at the gtk layer? |
| 20:46.21 | dougt | hildeon should just provide this for us, /me thinks |
| 20:46.27 | qgil | (lcuk is getting many questions at once) ;) |
| 20:46.35 | VRe__ | Is there any other OSS platforms really, which actually ship in numbers? |
| 20:46.46 | lcuk | im just checking dates actually, im in portugal the week before |
| 20:47.08 | lcuk | how many people would this be in front of |
| 20:47.18 | qgil | no les than 900 |
| 20:47.19 | dougt | takes a number. |
| 20:47.22 | qgil | joking |
| 20:47.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:47.25 | qgil | 90? |
| 20:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | Used to be Zaurus. |
| 20:47.34 | lcuk | dougt: dont know any other way but if you find one let me know |
| 20:47.41 | lcuk | lol ok a room full of people |
| 20:47.58 | dougt | will do |
| 20:48.01 | VRe__ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, past tense.. |
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| 20:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk could give a nice Windows-developer perspective. :P |
| 20:48.24 | qgil | interesting too |
| 20:48.40 | lcuk | qgil, if you give me your mail address ill just go speak to the other half |
| 20:48.48 | lcuk | ill mail you back in a few minutes |
| 20:48.58 | qgil | quim.gil @ nokia.com |
| 20:49.09 | lcuk | ok i was thinking pm but here is fine lol... |
| 20:49.11 | qgil | you have the whole night, I'm switching off this thing now |
| 20:49.22 | qgil | not that is a secret one |
| 20:49.37 | lcuk | ill have a ponder about whether i have anything valid to say and can contribute for you :) |
| 20:49.57 | qgil | no, you ponder whether you can make it to Berlin those days or not |
| 20:49.58 | qgil | :) |
| 20:50.00 | lcuk | ps - this nokia box takes me right back to my amiga days and i love coding on it |
| 20:50.15 | VRe__ | lcuk: sometimes the old farts need to hear how it is for a n00b, they have forgotten |
| 20:50.16 | KotCzarny | 'for it' |
| 20:50.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.30 | jobu | still having issues with booting off mmc |
| 20:50.43 | lcuk | good thinking - hey folks in here will expect help to get this sorted |
| 20:50.56 | qgil | alright, thanks for the agile collaboration - besides my sleepy soul |
| 20:50.59 | lcuk | how long would it be - 30mins? an hour? 5 mins and run away? |
| 20:51.01 | jobu | after cloning, sd card no problems, fsck fine |
| 20:51.13 | qgil | timing |
| 20:51.17 | lcuk | VRe__, :) |
| 20:51.19 | qgil | flexible |
| 20:51.37 | qgil | each slot has 1h to be shared between the participants + questions, discussions |
| 20:51.39 | jobu | after failed to boot off mmc, booting to internal flash, the sd card is corrupted, any thoughts on what might be causing it? |
| 20:51.45 | lcuk | ok i'll let you know by tomorrow (must also check dayjob commits) but thank you for the offer |
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| 20:52.03 | lcuk | gets all excited and runs off downstairs |
| 20:52.09 | qgil | I rather go for a model where you come up with a brilliant speech of just 5-10 minutes and then the rest comes from people's discussion |
| 20:52.18 | KotCzarny | jobu: that's what vfat partition is for i think |
| 20:52.43 | qgil | nite zzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 20:52.59 | KotCzarny | lcuk: finish your reader/libs in time and you will have so much to talk about :) |
| 20:52.59 | jott | sees lcuk protesting for powervr drivers and starting a riot |
| 20:53.20 | jobu | well it happens with the 2 partition setup fat16 first and linux 2nd |
| 20:53.39 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:53.45 | KotCzarny | but is it actually corrupt? |
| 20:53.49 | lcuk | PMSL jott |
| 20:53.51 | KotCzarny | ie. does it mount in another comp? |
| 20:54.09 | jobu | mounts but when ls some dir have errors |
| 20:54.15 | KotCzarny | hum |
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| 20:54.59 | VRe__ | are you sure that the sd is in ok shape? |
| 20:55.17 | jobu | i dunno, checked with badblocks and no errors there |
| 20:55.27 | jobu | but still haven't gotten around to getting a 2nd card to try with |
| 20:55.36 | KotCzarny | try another partitions setup? |
| 20:55.51 | KotCzarny | ie, 64mb vfat following 1gb ext3 |
| 20:55.55 | jobu | tried 2 partition and 1 partition ext2/3 |
| 20:56.32 | jott | hm linuxtag will be exciting for the maemo community - i hope there is a nice "aftershow" location to chat with all of you in rl :) |
| 20:56.56 | KotCzarny | jobu, it's ext3, right? |
| 20:57.01 | VRe__ | you can check that it is ok by dd:ing 1's and zeros on the card.. if if fails then its trash |
| 20:57.07 | KotCzarny | jott: copy party? ;) |
| 20:57.10 | jobu | it has been, i've tried ext2 and 3 >.< |
| 20:57.23 | jobu | i lost track how many tries i've done heh |
| 20:57.54 | KotCzarny | jobu: bad sd contacts? :) |
| 20:58.07 | KotCzarny | though if it's repeatable it would be something else |
| 20:58.12 | KotCzarny | like bad software |
| 20:58.12 | jobu | i tried in internal and external slots =( |
| 20:58.24 | jobu | and badblocks pass so i don't think so |
| 20:58.26 | VRe__ | What I read here, seems that this linuxtag might be something to get the big gear moving (finally) |
| 21:00.07 | flo_lap | jott: should be easy to arrange in berlin |
| 21:00.18 | jott | flo_lap: yeah sure still needs some coordination |
| 21:00.46 | flo_lap | jott: indeed... would be good to have someone who knows the city |
| 21:00.55 | jott | KotCzarny: http://xkcd.com/364/ i was more thinking of this :> |
| 21:01.22 | KotCzarny | jott: :) |
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| 21:02.22 | KotCzarny | jott: you mean getting drunk and being irresponsible? |
| 21:02.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:02.38 | jott | pssst |
| 21:04.00 | KotCzarny | i don't get it |
| 21:04.09 | KotCzarny | why people drink? |
| 21:04.17 | KotCzarny | ie. mind numbing beverages |
| 21:04.31 | glass | it makes life more tolerable |
| 21:04.51 | glass | had to stop drinking, pancreas couldn't handle it |
| 21:04.55 | KotCzarny | is life so untolerable? |
| 21:04.59 | glass | yes |
| 21:05.02 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 21:05.40 | KotCzarny | but it often introduces new problems |
| 21:05.46 | KotCzarny | to the existing ones |
| 21:05.47 | glass | sometimes |
| 21:05.49 | KotCzarny | see jott's link |
| 21:05.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:06.14 | glass | for some it works too good(for a short time) |
| 21:06.25 | KotCzarny | like cocaine? |
| 21:06.34 | glass | and some just do plain silly stuff |
| 21:06.54 | glass | though some theorise that they might want to do the silly stuff when sober too(but can stop themselfs) |
| 21:07.04 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:07.24 | glass | "the truth is in wine" or how the saying goes |
| 21:07.46 | KotCzarny | i would disagree |
| 21:07.56 | KotCzarny | good liar could lie being drunk too |
| 21:08.04 | glass | yes |
| 21:08.08 | KotCzarny | and most often drunk people just talk trash |
| 21:08.09 | glass | i could do that |
| 21:08.26 | glass | i did enjoy drinking |
| 21:08.40 | glass | whiskeys, cognacs for just taste too |
| 21:08.49 | KotCzarny | i drank during my college years |
| 21:09.03 | glass | well, why did you drink then? |
| 21:09.09 | KotCzarny | social thing |
| 21:09.18 | KotCzarny | and curiosity |
| 21:09.26 | KotCzarny | 'what's in this' |
| 21:09.36 | KotCzarny | and learning my body reactions |
| 21:10.16 | glass | alcohol just happens to be the socially accepted drug |
| 21:10.27 | KotCzarny | only because it's easy to make |
| 21:10.29 | glass | it's got lots of shitty effects |
| 21:10.30 | unixSnob | Now you should try your reactions to SallyD KotC |
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| 21:10.45 | glass | KotCzarny: cultural thing as well |
| 21:10.47 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: been there, done that |
| 21:10.50 | unixSnob | (before it's outlawed) |
| 21:10.53 | jobu | hmmm, can you boot off a card in read only mode? |
| 21:10.58 | KotCzarny | glass: because it's easy to make |
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| 21:11.02 | unixSnob | howd ya like it? |
| 21:11.16 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: helped for my bad moods |
| 21:11.18 | glass | KotCzarny: weed is easy to grow too, but alcohol was popular in europe earlier |
| 21:11.32 | KotCzarny | glass: weed wasn't global |
| 21:11.45 | KotCzarny | alcohol is a substance that can be made with everything |
| 21:11.47 | KotCzarny | (nearly) |
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| 21:11.54 | glass | yeah |
| 21:12.15 | glass | i'm just bitter about the crappier effects |
| 21:12.16 | KotCzarny | if columbus discovered weed instead of tobacco |
| 21:12.26 | KotCzarny | we would have ganja corporations by now |
| 21:12.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:12.47 | glass | that cause me being unable to drink(or face pancreatitis again) |
| 21:14.38 | KotCzarny | the only thing i can think about alco is that's easy and popular |
| 21:14.52 | KotCzarny | and 'legal' |
| 21:15.25 | pupnik | :/ |
| 21:15.29 | KotCzarny | and people like easy ways to run from problems |
| 21:15.35 | KotCzarny | pupnik: ? |
| 21:15.49 | pupnik | no comment |
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| 21:16.34 | pupnik | good food, a nice woman, and a nice snes RPG |
| 21:16.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:17.08 | jott | but drinking a beer does not mean getting drunk. |
| 21:17.14 | t_s_o | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080409-first-look-mozilla-fennec-targets-handheld-browser-market.html <- ouch. does not look good for microb... |
| 21:17.43 | jott | (at least not necessarily) |
| 21:17.45 | wnd | if you want have you head all messed up really cheap, try sleep deprivation ;-) |
| 21:18.04 | KotCzarny | wnd: been there, done that |
| 21:18.18 | t_s_o | i can attest to that wnd, 48 hours and it was as if i was drunk... |
| 21:18.45 | jott | KotCzarny: you are straight edge now? |
| 21:18.51 | wnd | I don't really know how it is like to be drunk, but I know it really makes it difficut to think straight |
| 21:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | How do you mean, t_s_o? |
| 21:19.06 | KotCzarny | jott: not there yet, because i'm lacking in social department |
| 21:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | That MicroB benchmark is from the release last year. :P |
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| 21:19.35 | t_s_o | ah, oops... |
| 21:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | Which is from a very early Gecko 1.9 snapshot. |
| 21:19.59 | t_s_o | so when diablo gets releases we will see the graph drop to fennec levels? |
| 21:20.01 | KotCzarny | wnd: being drunk disables body first, then your ability to judge (id gets over) |
| 21:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | If not better |
| 21:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | Since MicroB is better optimized for the tablets. |
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| 21:20.44 | t_s_o | heh, hope so. i see some very interesting configs on itt |
| 21:20.51 | Navi | Not really |
| 21:21.05 | Navi | The optimizations to the layout engine is... rather lacking. |
| 21:21.27 | t_s_o | fit to width and all that? |
| 21:21.36 | jobu | anyone know what the default filesystem on a sdhc card? like 4gb? |
| 21:21.46 | KotCzarny | vfat |
| 21:22.07 | KotCzarny | fat16 can only do 2gb |
| 21:22.09 | jobu | know the partition code? w |
| 21:22.16 | KotCzarny | probably 'b' |
| 21:22.21 | jobu | okies |
| 21:22.21 | t_s_o | hmm, anyone know if microsoft will release info on that new fat format they announced? |
| 21:23.51 | Navi | Fit to width is borked |
| 21:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | We haven't received an update in months. |
| 21:26.40 | KotCzarny | i like those big graphs that show 2 numbers in 50kb |
| 21:26.54 | KotCzarny | sorry, 200kb |
| 21:26.55 | KotCzarny | http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/fennec-bench.png |
| 21:26.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:27.14 | KotCzarny | and it's a great news for meamo |
| 21:27.21 | KotCzarny | arm optimized browser, rejoice! |
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| 21:27.45 | khertan__ | Is there someone here which have right to push packages on maemo repository ? |
| 21:28.21 | khertan__ | now news since ten hours i ve send it ... to extras ... is it normal ? |
| 21:28.29 | khertan__ | s/now/no |
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| 21:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, talk to X-Fade_. |
| 21:30.06 | khertan__ | ah thanks ... |
| 21:30.51 | khertan__ | arg need to register |
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| 21:31.58 | KotCzarny | huh, now rename the other one to 'Khertan_TheImaginary' |
| 21:32.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:32.08 | khertan__ | lol |
| 21:32.12 | jott | KotCzarny: sad that the same does not apply for the rendering speed as it seems (alteast desktop ff3 is still super slow) |
| 21:32.18 | khertan__ | it s at work ;) |
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| 21:33.02 | KotCzarny | jott, hum, still, nice news that work is being done |
| 21:33.11 | jott | indeed |
| 21:33.21 | lcuk | ponders |
| 21:34.14 | KotCzarny | 'MS issues updated updater needed for SP1 update' |
| 21:34.19 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 21:35.18 | khertan__ | MS Style ... |
| 21:35.19 | jott | News update: MS updates info about updated updater needed for SP1 update |
| 21:35.34 | KotCzarny | update error: success. |
| 21:36.28 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.32 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.35 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.37 | KotCzarny | fail |
| 21:36.39 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.42 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.45 | KotCzarny | (on 100px wide screen) |
| 21:36.45 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.48 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.52 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.55 | khertan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.59 | khertan__ | oups ... stupid shortcut |
| 21:37.01 | khertan__ | sorry |
| 21:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 21:37.18 | jott | haha banner your life |
| 21:37.23 | khertan__ | lol |
| 21:37.23 | lcuk | somebody set us up the bomb |
| 21:37.59 | KotCzarny | sets up bomb for lcuk (at his request) |
| 21:38.12 | KotCzarny | ó |
| 21:38.15 | lcuk | We got signal! |
| 21:38.23 | Navi | ... |
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| 21:39.44 | khertan__ | why cat need always to play with my screen each time i m in front of my computer |
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| 21:40.06 | KotCzarny | install cat typing detector |
| 21:40.08 | khertan__ | as i don't use mouse it shouldn't be attracted by that ... |
| 21:40.53 | jott | the cat want's to use the keyboard mouse |
| 21:41.03 | Navi | Woo |
| 21:43.17 | unixSnob | hey.. anyone attempt to connect a USB keyboard to the NIT? That is, a USB keyboard that has the larger connector? I'm wondering if theres an adapter that would work, and if I can expect the NIT to automatically recognize it |
| 21:43.31 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:43.40 | KotCzarny | you will need to switch to hostmode though |
| 21:43.48 | lcuk | unixSnob, use the nokia provided charger cable and a female - female dongle |
| 21:43.51 | KotCzarny | and check for power rating |
| 21:43.59 | KotCzarny | more than 100mA and it will fail often |
| 21:44.01 | lcuk | there is a software toggle as kot has mentioned |
| 21:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, jolouis makes an OTG dongle |
| 21:44.21 | KotCzarny | in my faq |
| 21:44.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:44.27 | jobu | time to find out if it was my card or not, got my hands on another one XD |
| 21:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15705 |
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| 21:44.39 | unixSnob | this is my keyboard: http://www.gyration.com/c-2-mice-keyboards.aspx |
| 21:44.45 | unixSnob | ty |
| 21:45.57 | jobu | seprgj[ sgjis ero[igj seriogjs erg |
| 21:46.08 | unixSnob | ha, and what's funny is I got one of these USB kits that has just about every kind of USB adapter you can imagine, except this one |
| 21:46.09 | jobu | i can't believe all the time i wasted was cuz of my stupid card |
| 21:46.24 | jobu | works fine with new one -_- |
| 21:46.34 | KotCzarny | jobu: happy now? |
| 21:46.40 | KotCzarny | at least you learned new things |
| 21:46.41 | jobu | sorta lol |
| 21:46.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.54 | KotCzarny | so now you can have 2gb internal os |
| 21:46.58 | KotCzarny | and 4gb external storage |
| 21:46.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.05 | jobu | well new card is 1gb |
| 21:47.15 | KotCzarny | still, bigger than 256mb |
| 21:47.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.17 | jobu | so i have about 640mb free |
| 21:47.23 | jobu | with 64mb fat |
| 21:47.50 | jobu | which is still nice but i don't know if it will be enough to install all compiling tools and compile omniorb XD |
| 21:48.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.17 | KotCzarny | you can always partition that 4gb card |
| 21:48.22 | KotCzarny | to snatch some space |
| 21:48.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.23 | khertan__ | what do u think of this web site design ? : file:///home/khertan/Bureau/motion/index.html |
| 21:48.29 | khertan__ | oups |
| 21:48.31 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:48.35 | jobu | hrm, so any thoughts on how to tell what was causing it like perhaps some boot sector thing? |
| 21:48.42 | khertan__ | http://khertan.net/motion/ |
| 21:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | I think the maemo software tab is a little big |
| 21:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | its expansion is rathe jarring. |
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| 21:49.41 | jobu | well, to any of you thinking of booting off SD card, my PQI card fails so i'd avoid that brand |
| 21:49.54 | elb | maybe that's why they're so cheap ;-) |
| 21:49.59 | jobu | ya lol |
| 21:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise it looks great, khertan__. |
| 21:50.22 | jobu | but it works fine in my digi cam so oh well |
| 21:50.24 | jott | khertan__: it looks nice but it's unusable :) |
| 21:51.15 | khertan__ | jott & GeneralAntilles : ok ... i find this nice ... but for a small site ... it s unusable ... and no really navigation friendly |
| 21:51.17 | jott | (e.g. switching from maemo software to the sections below) |
| 21:51.40 | khertan__ | s/ but for a small site/ but for a small site only |
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| 21:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | The design would be fine if each of the tabs were less than a page in length. |
| 21:54.30 | khertan__ | so there would be to many tabs ... which not fit in the size of the page. |
| 21:55.19 | khertan__ | i vetested with a lower resolution than mine (n810) .... unusable |
| 21:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | Other option would be to arrange the tabs along the top |
| 21:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | and have them swipe from left/right. |
| 21:57.29 | unixSnob | hey w/ that adapter, I can use the NIT to power a USB mini refridgerator! :P |
| 21:57.36 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:57.41 | KotCzarny | you only have 100mA |
| 21:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | Er, no. :P |
| 21:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's only 100mA |
| 21:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | You'd need a powered hub. ;) |
| 21:58.31 | unixSnob | hmm.. i thought usb was spec'd to 500 mA |
| 21:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's OTG spec |
| 21:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | not fullsize spec |
| 21:58.53 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: it wasn't meant to be used in host mode |
| 21:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | The battery isn't juicy enough to push 500mA |
| 22:01.16 | lcuk | it is, but only for about 5 minutes |
| 22:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | Same difference. ;) |
| 22:01.31 | KotCzarny | lcuk, anyone tried? |
| 22:01.40 | lcuk | no, 100 is hardware limit |
| 22:01.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:02.08 | lcuk | and actually, yes i know it is because my kb is 100ma rated. when i push one key at a time it works |
| 22:02.09 | KotCzarny | i believe i have seen 200mA number somewhere |
| 22:02.13 | KotCzarny | describing the port |
| 22:02.31 | lcuk | but when i chord it knocked the power draw over 100ma and the usb chip dies a horrible battery popping heart stopping death... |
| 22:03.01 | KotCzarny | add capacitor? |
| 22:03.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:03.03 | lcuk | no, 100ma is the USB initial interface wake up draw. an OTB device must not ever attempt to draw or supply more than this figure |
| 22:03.28 | KotCzarny | sounds like for chording it could help |
| 22:03.32 | lcuk | after the init stage a full usb adapter can go upto 500ma but there is not the same requirement for otg |
| 22:03.46 | lcuk | it doesnt matter i got apple wireless |
| 22:03.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if you go to LinuxTag you have to start a PowerVR riot. :P |
| 22:07.06 | unixSnob | Is it possible that my Gyration USB keyboard/mouse transceiver would attempt to draw more than 100 mA? |
| 22:07.18 | KotCzarny | read it's specs |
| 22:07.23 | KotCzarny | should be on the bottom |
| 22:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 22:08.04 | nelson | unixSnob: it's definitely possible. |
| 22:09.11 | nelson | sigh. maemo-mapper can't load a 9MB GPX file into memory. |
| 22:09.30 | KotCzarny | enable swap ? |
| 22:09.48 | KotCzarny | or it simply states that it's too big? |
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| 22:10.27 | nelson | it simply crashes. |
| 22:11.06 | KotCzarny | it may be killed by oom killer |
| 22:11.10 | KotCzarny | dmesg|tail |
| 22:11.13 | KotCzarny | you will see |
| 22:11.16 | nelson | it probably uses some silly XML library which reads the entire file into memory, and creates a data structure. |
| 22:11.23 | KotCzarny | if that's the case enabling swap could help |
| 22:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Go talk to gnuite. |
| 22:12.37 | nelson | Oh, I didn't expect it work. Even if it loaded it, I expect that the render time would put me to sleep. |
| 22:12.54 | unixSnob | There's no power specs on the AS00216 transceiver.. but I don't think it will hurt to try. Certainly the NIT won't over power it, and underpowering doesn't fry things |
| 22:13.05 | nelson | we're talking about over 1 lakh vectors |
| 22:13.25 | KotCzarny | lakh ? |
| 22:14.00 | nelson | we have words for 1E3 and 1E6. Indians have words for 1E5 (lakh) and 1E7 (crore) |
| 22:14.09 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 22:14.22 | nelson | lakh: translation: "a lot" |
| 22:14.29 | nelson | crore: translation: "a fucking lot" |
| 22:14.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:15.13 | nelson | they have a show: "Who wants to be a Crorepati?" |
| 22:15.29 | nelson | you can guess how the show goes, I'll venture. |
| 22:15.47 | KotCzarny | is it a play on the word 'psychopatic' ? |
| 22:16.22 | derf | Even storing 8 double's worth of data per vector, 100,000 vectors is still only 6MB of real data. |
| 22:16.48 | KotCzarny | derf: add info tag |
| 22:18.10 | derf | I don't know what you're putting in your info tag... but you can still fit quite a lot before you run into problems. |
| 22:18.17 | pupnik | hi is anybody bored? |
| 22:18.25 | KotCzarny | i am |
| 22:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | Never, pupnik. :D |
| 22:18.32 | KotCzarny | though i'm in a bad mood |
| 22:18.34 | nelson | yeah, but I believe that maemo-mapper is using an xml library. Anybody want to venture a guess as to whether it's memory efficient? |
| 22:18.36 | unixSnob | found the USB adapter for $7 shipped: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000Y6UL5E/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A1SHTSJSJQA89P&v=glance |
| 22:18.45 | lcuk | pupnik, quick word |
| 22:19.03 | pupnik | xu4 could use a touchscreen interface |
| 22:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, I'd get the one from jolouis. |
| 22:19.13 | KotCzarny | new lib? |
| 22:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | That'll switch to host-mode automagically. |
| 22:19.18 | KotCzarny | ie. new ver? |
| 22:19.28 | unixSnob | ah, nice |
| 22:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, you'll be supporting the community. :P |
| 22:20.16 | nelson | yeah, it's swapping already. |
| 22:20.40 | KotCzarny | how much? |
| 22:20.44 | nelson | pupnik: do you support X and a mouse already? |
| 22:21.05 | pupnik | i support X for president |
| 22:21.14 | KotCzarny | can we trust X ? |
| 22:21.29 | pupnik | nelson for xu4? |
| 22:21.40 | lcuk | x11? |
| 22:22.44 | nelson | pupnik: that's what I'm asking. Does xu4 support X11 and a mouse? |
| 22:22.49 | KotCzarny | x11 looks like 'multiply by 11' |
| 22:23.55 | pupnik | no |
| 22:24.08 | pupnik | do you like ultima? |
| 22:24.26 | pupnik | i can work on it some more ... but i really just play xu4 with bluetooth or n810 kbd |
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| 22:29.38 | unixSnob | as a rule, are these mini USB sockets like what's on the NIT normally in client mode? |
| 22:30.19 | KotCzarny | it's called 'device mode' |
| 22:30.20 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 22:30.24 | lcuk | yes, however the socket/plug specification allows for a hostmode cable which if configured at the pins will automatically enabled hosted usb sessions |
| 22:30.36 | Ziegler | Megahoc.v22 ??? Anyone familiar with it? |
| 22:31.27 | Ziegler | Its some ad hoc connection that seems to follow me where ever i go. |
| 22:31.47 | lcuk | but it cannot be done with the nokia cable because it is not connected inside the moulded cable |
| 22:32.09 | lcuk | first adhoc listed in your connections. its like freelan or whatever it is |
| 22:32.50 | Ziegler | City wide? |
| 22:33.00 | lcuk | at one point you will have attempted to connect to it, because its adhoc it stays in your list, and you are yourself giving it out to others ;) |
| 22:33.10 | Ziegler | Ohhhhh |
| 22:33.58 | lcuk | it tries to rebuild itself by broadcasting that its adhoc, someone else nearby tries connecting and whammo... its on their list so when you get back home even after clearing it up the person down the road tries to offer it you again |
| 22:34.06 | lcuk | its a very elegant virus :) |
| 22:34.16 | lcuk | (blame microsoft i think) |
| 22:34.16 | Ziegler | That would explain why my work mates started seeing it also |
| 22:34.51 | lcuk | there are certain names sweeping around towns and some common ones involve the free ones |
| 22:34.58 | lcuk | i read a great article on it earlier this week |
| 22:35.02 | lcuk | ill find it.. |
| 22:35.02 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:35.31 | Ziegler | Wonderful... I tried to google it and came out not knowing much |
| 22:35.48 | KotCzarny | ziegler: you want it to spread to google too? |
| 22:35.57 | Ziegler | Lol |
| 22:37.40 | Ziegler | Any reason to adhoc two tablets? |
| 22:38.15 | Navi | Fun |
| 22:38.17 | Navi | Bomberman |
| 22:38.35 | KotCzarny | ziegler: sharing a phone conenction? |
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| 22:38.50 | lcuk | 2 player games would be AMAZING |
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| 22:39.00 | lcuk | nintendo ds :) |
| 22:39.07 | lcuk | x player games... |
| 22:39.15 | KotCzarny | multiplayer over different platform would rock |
| 22:40.04 | Ziegler | So.... Could i create an adhoc cennection and have other devices do the same thing... Spread my silly adhoc name? |
| 22:40.33 | megabyte405 | Ziegler: yes, in theory |
| 22:40.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:40.51 | Ziegler | (Not planning to... Just curriuos if it works that way) |
| 22:40.57 | KotCzarny | it's like a chain lettor |
| 22:41.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:41.12 | lcuk | Infected by the Free Public Wifi virus http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/travel/business/article3554838.ece |
| 22:41.25 | Ziegler | Hehe thats quite rediculous |
| 22:41.38 | lcuk | plenty of other links available, but thats basically the article and available to find more from there :) |
| 22:41.43 | KotCzarny | free public adhoc network would be nice |
| 22:41.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:41.53 | Ziegler | Danke |
| 22:41.57 | lcuk | "FREE INTERWEB PORN" |
| 22:42.03 | Ziegler | Lol |
| 22:42.25 | Ziegler | Thanks for the info... Sorry abot the off topic |
| 22:42.30 | KotCzarny | tube me, tube you |
| 22:42.46 | Ziegler | Figured you all would have an answer |
| 22:44.47 | KotCzarny | yessir, we are hax0rz |
| 22:44.55 | KotCzarny | hax0rz know everything |
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| 22:45.05 | KotCzarny | (future perfect) |
| 22:47.24 | nelson | lcuk: I was wondering where Free Public Wifi came from.... |
| 22:49.27 | KotCzarny | i should setup 'free cookies' |
| 22:49.29 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:52.30 | celesteh | ooooooh the Free Public Wifi! |
| 22:52.35 | celesteh | I've seen that, like everywhere |
| 22:53.39 | celesteh | I should rename my wifi network to that. Give my housemates a fit |
| 22:53.55 | KotCzarny | luckily doesn't see it on the list |
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| 22:54.41 | lcuk | thats cos your network list is filled with "free midget porn" :P |
| 22:55.06 | KotCzarny | nope, nothing with 'free' |
| 22:56.23 | lcuk | i wonder actually if this could be why my nokia turns network back on in the night - if something comes around and wakes up mine (which is set to adhoc) whether it will wakeup and broadcast itself even though i have it configured to ask for connection |
| 22:56.45 | shapr | The "Free Public Wifi" I saw in Chicago's O'Hare airport was there to break into Windows computers from the "local network" when they tried to connect. |
| 22:57.04 | shapr | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6122707.html |
| 22:57.32 | lcuk | not at all - it will have just been someones windows laptop and nothing odd especially after reading the other articles |
| 22:58.09 | lcuk | it doesnt take hackers, it takes business managers running microsofts cludges |
| 22:58.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:58.25 | shapr | lcuk: Try it with a honeypot in O'Hare :-) |
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| 22:59.18 | KotCzarny | shapr: does it do linux boxes too? |
| 22:59.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:59.59 | shapr | Nah |
| 23:00.22 | lcuk | but if they were 1337 hax0rz wouldnt they have linux skills? |
| 23:00.28 | shapr | At least, Linux isn't less secure when it's on the "local network" |
| 23:00.39 | Ziegler | Its not really a virus.. It doesnt do any harm... Just remove it for the connections list |
| 23:00.49 | KotCzarny | zieglar: it could |
| 23:00.55 | KotCzarny | human is the weakest link |
| 23:00.57 | Ziegler | Yes it coild |
| 23:01.20 | Ziegler | Could... If somone one the othe end was using it for suce purposes |
| 23:01.34 | lcuk | BAN LAPTOPS. this virus would not spread if laptops are illegal. |
| 23:01.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:01.50 | KotCzarny | lcuk: wm based phones? |
| 23:02.01 | Ziegler | But the adhoc connection by itself is just funny |
| 23:02.04 | KotCzarny | (with wifi) |
| 23:02.05 | lcuk | do they have same wifi stack? |
| 23:02.15 | KotCzarny | never had one |
| 23:02.18 | KotCzarny | so i can't comment |
| 23:02.20 | Ziegler | Zig.free.wifi |
| 23:02.32 | Ziegler | Add hoc on my device now |
| 23:02.37 | Ziegler | Adhoc |
| 23:02.46 | lcuk | even i find it hard to believe MS could get two totally seperate design teams to come up with the same behaviour on more than one operating system |
| 23:03.06 | lcuk | hell, that would mean they were following some kind of a rulebook |
| 23:03.11 | Ziegler | It did it on my nokia device |
| 23:03.20 | lcuk | only cos you wanted free internet |
| 23:03.25 | lcuk | or your missus did |
| 23:03.25 | Ziegler | Heheh |
| 23:03.27 | lcuk | or your dog |
| 23:03.31 | KotCzarny | lcuk: they need some interoperability on their boxes, don't they? |
| 23:03.41 | lcuk | yes, but thats whaty a floppy is for |
| 23:03.53 | KotCzarny | it is |
| 23:04.03 | KotCzarny | but not for m$ os |
| 23:04.13 | KotCzarny | it tries to think for you |
| 23:04.26 | KotCzarny | and i guess it will do it in their every project |
| 23:04.48 | lcuk | the 4 worst lines of code microsoft ever invented: on error resume next |
| 23:05.16 | lcuk | bits* |
| 23:05.19 | Ziegler | Hehe |
| 23:05.21 | KotCzarny | that's one line |
| 23:05.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:05.52 | lcuk | thinks you get the idea though |
| 23:06.01 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:06.31 | KotCzarny | on error print success |
| 23:06.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:06.39 | KotCzarny | that one is nice too |
| 23:06.42 | Ziegler | hehe |
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| 23:08.22 | lcuk | juggles about 10 things round his head |
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| 23:09.48 | fysa | catches a stray bolt |
| 23:10.14 | KotCzarny | electrostatic fun |
| 23:12.00 | lcuk | ok, i'll start simple. i heard earlier that i can add myself to sudoers file at installation time to enable a runtime software turbo option (it will either change to performance, or change the ondemand%threshold) do i need to make a .deb file for that to all work and will the user themselves ever need to be root |
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| 23:12.17 | lcuk | myself==liqbase program |
| 23:12.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 23:12.37 | KotCzarny | you should add a script that will ask user |
| 23:12.47 | lcuk | its optional only so wouldnt change without permission |
| 23:12.57 | KotCzarny | or a carefully crafted suid binary |
| 23:13.00 | lcuk | no - it will default off, user will have to say "full speed" |
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| 23:13.58 | KotCzarny | name it lcuk-helper and it will do only 2 things |
| 23:14.20 | lcuk | i suppose the script could work, but then i need to make sure noone can alter the script to do something im not expecting. but because its a script it will turbo on and turbo off |
| 23:14.20 | KotCzarny | 1/ set default governor, 2/ set performance |
| 23:14.29 | KotCzarny | you can't suid a script |
| 23:14.36 | KotCzarny | it needs to be a binary |
| 23:14.48 | lcuk | hence me saying add the installed app to it? |
| 23:14.55 | lcuk | does it need a second binary? |
| 23:14.57 | KotCzarny | though i don't know if it's the case with busybox ash |
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| 23:15.14 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you don't want to suid something complicated |
| 23:15.24 | KotCzarny | more ways to introduce exploitable bugs |
| 23:15.30 | lcuk | agreed |
| 23:15.46 | lcuk | can see the logic here |
| 23:16.06 | KotCzarny | it's a linux philosophy, do one thing, but do it perfect |
| 23:16.11 | KotCzarny | (or at least good enough [tm]) |
| 23:16.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:16.23 | KotCzarny | or maybe it's unix |
| 23:16.48 | lcuk | if thats the case then, couldnt we just call it liq_ondemandtweak? then its name says what it is |
| 23:17.18 | lcuk | and it could feasibly be used for something else - either all that of course or hope diablo makes it redundant |
| 23:17.20 | KotCzarny | liq_cpufreq_governor_helper |
| 23:17.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:17.50 | lcuk | liq_cpufreq_governor_helper -TURBO |
| 23:18.04 | lcuk | hmmm |
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| 23:18.10 | KotCzarny | you will have to store default governor somewhere too |
| 23:18.57 | lcuk | governor isnt so bad |
| 23:19.07 | lcuk | if i change the %age it reverts after a reboot |
| 23:19.26 | lcuk | but by default its 80% it just needs lowering to 40 |
| 23:19.42 | KotCzarny | or to anything that was before |
| 23:19.52 | KotCzarny | you don't want to piss of user |
| 23:19.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.22 | KotCzarny | *off |
| 23:20.27 | lcuk | yer which is why i was doing it in software as root. grab current, apply turbo. run program. restore original exit |
| 23:21.01 | lcuk | heh, it could still do it - "runasturbo myprogram" |
| 23:22.31 | lcuk | i would prefer to not need it, but i cannot expect a user to install root and i cannot keep bumping up the processing just to force it to be busy. its more of a waste. %age does seem like best avenue at present |
| 23:23.20 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:23.30 | KotCzarny | though sudo way can be nice too |
| 23:23.45 | lcuk | but user cannot sudo from the console in device |
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| 23:24.25 | KotCzarny | installation process has root right -> add your sudo commands -> user's program can run those commands |
| 23:24.36 | KotCzarny | or am i wrong? |
| 23:24.45 | lcuk | thats the impression i get |
| 23:24.58 | KotCzarny | that i'm wrong? |
| 23:24.59 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:25.02 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:25.31 | lcuk | i thought once you were added to the sudoers list running an instance of that app ran it in root context |
| 23:25.41 | lcuk | without needing to sudo xyz |
| 23:25.58 | KotCzarny | no, you only add specific command |
| 23:26.04 | lcuk | sudo checks the permissions and asks the user. items added to sudoers doesnt need to because its trusted |
| 23:26.06 | KotCzarny | and no, you shouldn't add sudo * |
| 23:26.12 | lcuk | yes - i under stand we add this helper |
| 23:26.21 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 23:26.23 | KotCzarny | no |
| 23:26.27 | KotCzarny | suid is something else |
| 23:26.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:27.41 | KotCzarny | if you add to sudo list: echo performance > /sys/something/governor |
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| 23:27.52 | KotCzarny | user can do: sudo echo performance > /sys/something/governor |
| 23:27.55 | KotCzarny | and nothing else |
| 23:28.12 | KotCzarny | unless you add '*' somewhere |
| 23:28.22 | lcuk | will user be asked for password when calling sudo with that command? |
| 23:30.12 | KotCzarny | don't know, probably not if there's NOPASSWORD on the line |
| 23:30.12 | lcuk | or will it just run the command as a trusted authorized call |
| 23:30.12 | KotCzarny | look in the sudoers file |
| 23:30.12 | lcuk | so, really this could be handled without needing a seperate exe if we just added those echo lines required to switch modes? |
| 23:30.12 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:30.12 | lcuk | that was my next question, where is it? |
| 23:30.18 | KotCzarny | but the command will need to be typed exactly the same |
| 23:30.20 | KotCzarny | visudo ? |
| 23:30.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:30.27 | KotCzarny | or somewhere in /etc |
| 23:30.28 | lcuk | yes i can understand that |
| 23:30.51 | lcuk | im slowly getting used to things being case sensitive |
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| 23:30.58 | wnd | surprisingly enough nokia has been wise enough to include visudo in os2008 |
| 23:32.03 | wnd | if you decide to edit the file, you may want to take a look at the manual page first, http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/man/sudoers.html |
| 23:32.35 | KotCzarny | also it looks like they have modularized it |
| 23:32.38 | lcuk | ive got LOTS of things to sort out before i even consider touching a single file on somebodies system |
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| 23:32.59 | lcuk | is still treading on eggshells |
| 23:33.20 | KotCzarny | *nix is fun |
| 23:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | throws ninja stars for luck to dodge. |
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| 23:34.24 | lcuk | throws a 2d nokia tablet at GeneralAntilles and neatly slices the screen off his apple laptop |
| 23:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have any laptops, fool! |
| 23:35.42 | lcuk | i take it lots of installers still use the older update-sudoers program/script, or is that a part of visudo? |
| 23:37.38 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# dpkg -S update-sudoers |
| 23:37.38 | KotCzarny | sudo: /usr/sbin/update-sudoers |
| 23:37.50 | KotCzarny | it's a part of sudo package |
| 23:38.05 | KotCzarny | same for visudo |
| 23:38.59 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:39.10 | KotCzarny | some freaking page eats 100% cpu from my firefox |
| 23:39.28 | KotCzarny | arstechnica.com, doh. |
| 23:40.03 | fysa | I had four nasty firefox crashes today, two simultaneously on two different machines that I was using via synergy. |
| 23:40.23 | KotCzarny | bad protons |
| 23:40.24 | lcuk | badverts? |
| 23:40.29 | GeneralAntilles | Firefox fails fysa! |
| 23:40.42 | fysa | both caused Windows (blech) to fall apart, cascading 100% CPU usage down through explorer.exe and a dozen random rundlls. ;) |
| 23:40.44 | fysa | breaking news! |
| 23:41.05 | lcuk | check your firefoxen are patched |
| 23:41.29 | lcuk | and double check the av.. |
| 23:41.50 | KotCzarny | startkeylogger ? |
| 23:41.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:41.52 | lcuk | oh crap!!! its late again |
| 23:42.01 | fysa | heh |
| 23:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | To bed! |
| 23:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Run run run! |
| 23:42.17 | lcuk | i was meant to be getting an early night but it feels like i have had pro plus |
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| 23:42.53 | lcuk | how the heck do i get up infront of a load of people and tell them about my nokia? |
| 23:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | You have 7 weeks. :P |
| 23:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure we can think something up. |
| 23:43.38 | lcuk | and, no i wont be saying anything directly about pvr |
| 23:43.43 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:43.45 | KotCzarny | slides |
| 23:43.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:43.53 | KotCzarny | people will look at them |
| 23:43.55 | lcuk | i hopefully wont need to because ill have fullscreen full color rendering by then |
| 23:43.58 | KotCzarny | and not at you |
| 23:43.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:44.01 | phunguy | umm |
| 23:44.03 | phunguy | i've been wondering |
| 23:44.11 | lcuk | they will only look at them if i put the software there myself |
| 23:44.12 | phunguy | wtf is with everyon and the + or - infront of their speech |
| 23:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's your client, phunguy. |
| 23:44.33 | lcuk | its ratings - like slashdot or digg |
| 23:44.37 | lcuk | you can moderate us |
| 23:44.51 | phunguy | KotCzarny didn't have it before |
| 23:45.05 | KotCzarny | phunguy: hmm? |
| 23:45.11 | lcuk | KotCzarny, if i have slides though it will be like i am coasting |
| 23:45.26 | lcuk | im not so much bothered about people looking at me, its having enough to say |
| 23:45.29 | KotCzarny | lcuk: remember, no tvout |
| 23:45.38 | lcuk | i dont just wanna "ummmmm this nokia rulez, gimme pvr" |
| 23:45.46 | KotCzarny | unless some kind of vnc will be in place |
| 23:46.04 | lcuk | ill grab a lappy just in case |
| 23:46.15 | KotCzarny | as i said |
| 23:46.18 | KotCzarny | start a blog |
| 23:46.20 | KotCzarny | or diary |
| 23:46.31 | KotCzarny | adn write your thoughts there |
| 23:46.41 | KotCzarny | by the time of linuxtag you will have enough material |
| 23:46.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:46.51 | lcuk | yer it is starting to come into shape |
| 23:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | 5-10 minutes shouldn't be too hard to fill. |
| 23:47.27 | lcuk | thinks next week would have been a better time to find out, but take the bullby horns so to speak |
| 23:47.35 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:47.36 | KotCzarny | i wonder |
| 23:47.50 | KotCzarny | maybe nokia should setup some multiplayer room? |
| 23:47.55 | lcuk | cos i would have something to discuss because people would start to have software |
| 23:48.03 | KotCzarny | with free n8x0's |
| 23:48.04 | lcuk | maemo_play |
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| 23:48.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:48.41 | lcuk | would be better to have a chillout room - pupnik has mentioned a room for discsussions about this upcoming thing |
| 23:48.43 | lcuk | which is wise |
| 23:49.13 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 23:49.14 | KotCzarny | curry |
| 23:49.16 | lcuk | right, let me think ill b back tomorrow |
| 23:49.27 | KotCzarny | http://www.enigmacurry.com/blog-post-images/mmmcurry.jpg |
| 23:49.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:50.49 | lcuk | gnite all :) thx |
| 23:51.05 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
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| 23:56.03 | KotCzarny | hi pupnik |
