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| 00:02.00 | pupnik_ | i'd like to see a robotron clone optimized for dual analogue |
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| 00:11.44 | jott | and i would like to see a running opengl (es) on the pandora ;) |
| 00:13.25 | yabbas | hmm, hildon-desktop causes segmentation fault |
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| 00:13.52 | KotCzarny | i would like cheesecake from pandora :) |
| 00:14.03 | yabbas | the cake is fake |
| 00:14.11 | GeneralAntilles | The cake is a lie! |
| 00:14.14 | KotCzarny | ;.; |
| 00:14.27 | KotCzarny | but cheesecake is true |
| 00:14.29 | KotCzarny | i smell it |
| 00:14.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:21.16 | edt | networkSizeEstimateSession: 5576 nodes |
| 00:21.16 | edt | networkSizeEstimate24h: 2910 nodes |
| 00:21.16 | edt | networkSizeEstimate48h: 4279 nodes |
| 00:21.47 | edt | this is as big as I have ever seen it get |
| 00:22.23 | edt | opps wrong channel - sorry |
| 00:23.12 | yabbas | oo-err controversial |
| 00:23.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:23.44 | yabbas | someone help me find out why hildon-desktop is segfaulting :) |
| 00:23.46 | yabbas | please |
| 00:23.56 | KotCzarny | yabbas: strace it |
| 00:24.07 | yabbas | done that, I have no clue what to look for |
| 00:24.17 | KotCzarny | pastebin.com few last lines |
| 00:24.27 | yabbas | okie dokie |
| 00:24.28 | KotCzarny | 10-20 |
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| 00:28.19 | yabbas | http://pastebin.com/d37efb822 |
| 00:28.31 | yabbas | the whole lot |
| 00:29.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:29.41 | KotCzarny | line 69-70 could be a hint |
| 00:30.03 | yabbas | at... ? :) |
| 00:30.17 | KotCzarny | don't know.. |
| 00:30.25 | KotCzarny | only thinking loudly |
| 00:30.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:30.57 | KotCzarny | do you really want to bring it up? |
| 00:31.06 | yabbas | yup |
| 00:31.07 | KotCzarny | wouldn't reflashing be a faster? |
| 00:31.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:31.40 | yabbas | whatever it is, an apt-get upgrade seems to do something sufficiently bad that segfaults hildon-desktop. And yes it would be - but this is now needing a fix :D |
| 00:31.48 | KotCzarny | reflashing and cloning working os to mmc, that is |
| 00:31.56 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:32.14 | KotCzarny | you can try fircibly reinstall most of the packages |
| 00:32.19 | KotCzarny | one by one |
| 00:32.24 | yabbas | if I knew which they were, lol! |
| 00:32.30 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 00:32.36 | KotCzarny | start with system ones |
| 00:32.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:32.38 | yabbas | you could, umm ... ;) |
| 00:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | Did you upgrade with an non-default repositories? |
| 00:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | s/an/any/ |
| 00:33.08 | yabbas | GeneralAntilles, presumably. I'm silly enough to add the lot from gronmayer! |
| 00:33.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:33.18 | GeneralAntilles | As I said on ITT |
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| 00:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | The SDK repo and rtcomm-beta repo are two known problem-causers. |
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| 00:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | SDK because it'll install newer version of important packages that can cause trouble |
| 00:34.03 | yabbas | GeneralAntilles, cool - would you know which packages specifically caused the problems? |
| 00:34.11 | GeneralAntilles | and rtcomm-beta because it installs updated rtcomm packages that seem to break if you don't use the installer. |
| 00:34.16 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't a clue |
| 00:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | My money would be on rtcomm, though. |
| 00:34.26 | yabbas | checks |
| 00:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | You could just apt-get remove rtcomm* ;) |
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| 00:35.00 | GeneralAntilles | You wont ever have your chat working with that install, though. |
| 00:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | But I bet it Matchbox wouldn't crash. |
| 00:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | er, hildon-desktop |
| 00:35.18 | yabbas | lol, well...it's so FUBARed I may as well! |
| 00:35.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 00:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | Actually |
| 00:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | You may also try removing the presence applet .desktop |
| 00:35.38 | GeneralAntilles | Or, rather, do that first. |
| 00:35.44 | yabbas | too late ;) |
| 00:35.58 | yabbas | breaks this further |
| 00:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | You already moved on or already tried it? |
| 00:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 00:36.03 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 00:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 00:36.50 | yabbas | nope, segfault |
| 00:36.59 | yabbas | so it's not rtcomm |
| 00:37.41 | KotCzarny | btw. disable most of the repos in apt config |
| 00:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | SDK would be my next guess |
| 00:38.03 | KotCzarny | then maybe you could simply run apt-get update and get it working |
| 00:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 00:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe extras-devel |
| 00:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | maybe that operating-system meta package got thrown in |
| 00:38.44 | yabbas | this is so annoying :D |
| 00:38.51 | yabbas | is enjoying it though |
| 00:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how it's gonna go with SSU. |
| 00:39.12 | jott | yabbas: maybe run it against ltrace/gdb |
| 00:39.25 | yabbas | ltrace is a goodun! |
| 00:39.30 | yabbas | tries that |
| 00:39.37 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm will presumably be out of beta, so that shouldn't be an issue anymore |
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| 00:40.49 | yabbas | is rtcomm out of beta? |
| 00:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | Not yet |
| 00:41.17 | GeneralAntilles | But it should be with Diablo. |
| 00:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm betting it will be, anyway. |
| 00:41.27 | yabbas | wants Diablo now |
| 00:41.32 | Robot101 | yeah, it's more of a beta repository, it'll just get some newer beta stuff in once the stuff that's there will go into the next releases |
| 00:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | So do I, so do I. |
| 00:41.47 | GeneralAntilles | Aha, right then. |
| 00:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | wants Speed Contacts to be useful again. |
| 00:43.34 | KotCzarny | yabbas, so assuming you don't have valuable data to rescue, you will be reflashing it soon |
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| 00:43.34 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:43.42 | KotCzarny | when diablo goes out |
| 00:44.00 | yabbas | KotCzarny, most valuable thing to me was canola database which I managed to nab :) so yeah - reflash is always an option |
| 00:44.25 | yabbas | I just wanna see if I can fix it without reflashing! |
| 00:44.39 | KotCzarny | hah, puzzle |
| 00:44.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:44.44 | yabbas | nods |
| 00:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get remove * |
| 00:44.54 | GeneralAntilles | That's guaranteed to do something! |
| 00:45.01 | yabbas | rm -r / |
| 00:45.05 | KotCzarny | -rf |
| 00:45.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:45.20 | yabbas | better :> |
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| 00:45.41 | KotCzarny | but if you really want to be fscked up overwrite bootloader ;) |
| 00:45.42 | jott | just half the fun without pressing 10000 times y[enter] ;) |
| 00:45.59 | KotCzarny | jott, does rm have verbose mode? |
| 00:46.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:46.19 | jott | busybox version? hmm |
| 00:46.21 | jott | guess so |
| 00:46.42 | jott | rm: invalid option -- v |
| 00:46.43 | jott | or not |
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| 00:52.27 | yabbas | ltrace/gdb not useful :( unless I'm missing something |
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| 00:55.49 | yabbas | right, I am defeated |
| 00:58.25 | jott | what did ltrace say and what was the gdb bt? ;O |
| 01:03.44 | yabbas | jott: same as strace really |
| 01:03.53 | yabbas | as for gdb - no debugging symbols loaded |
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| 01:21.50 | jott | yabbas: you need the -dbg package(s) for the symbols.. (i.e. hildon-desktop-dbg) |
| 01:22.31 | KotCzarny | it's not worth it in his case.. |
| 01:22.45 | KotCzarny | he has mismatched packages installed |
| 01:23.06 | KotCzarny | and he wouldn't be able to fix the sources anyway :) |
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| 01:23.54 | jott | why wouldn't it be fixable? |
| 01:24.20 | yabbas | wonders that too |
| 01:24.25 | jga23 | can mplayer on mameo handle streaming video? I've got a mms url from mlbtv and it's very pixalated |
| 01:25.22 | yabbas | installing debug package |
| 01:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | jga23, http streams, yes |
| 01:26.05 | KotCzarny | jott, because it can be anything.. |
| 01:26.11 | jott | so? |
| 01:26.19 | KotCzarny | glibc, hildon-libs, somthing else |
| 01:26.49 | KotCzarny | jga23: afair it doesn't do realvideo |
| 01:26.53 | KotCzarny | but i can be wrong |
| 01:26.54 | jott | apt-cache policy should atleast tell if it's from a diffrent source |
| 01:27.08 | KotCzarny | yeah, that's better for him |
| 01:27.17 | jga23 | its a wmv, the audio plays perfect, but the video is all kinds of messed up |
| 01:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | wmv sux |
| 01:27.33 | yabbas | still says no debugging symbols found |
| 01:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Support has seemingly been hit and miss. |
| 01:27.44 | jga23 | GeneralAntilles: yep, but don't have a choice |
| 01:27.48 | KotCzarny | jga23: link? |
| 01:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | You could always pipe it through mencoder on a desktop and transcoding it to something else. :P |
| 01:28.29 | jott | yabbas: then i suppose the crash isn't in hildon-desktop libs directly ... |
| 01:28.29 | jga23 | KotCzarny: mlbtv is picky, they check ips, so it wouldn't load for you |
| 01:28.45 | KotCzarny | jga23: then debuggin/helping as well |
| 01:28.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:29.12 | KotCzarny | i meant, helping with that issue :) |
| 01:29.49 | jga23 | any switches I can use that might help with the quality? |
| 01:29.59 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 01:30.10 | KotCzarny | -vf pp -autoq 10 |
| 01:30.13 | KotCzarny | try this one |
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| 01:33.45 | jga23 | hmm, I wonder if this is the problem: [vc1 @ 0x48319c]Chroma scaling is not supported, expect wrong picture |
| 01:35.47 | jga23 | or this: Requested video codec family [wmvvc1dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. |
| 01:36.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:36.17 | KotCzarny | first one |
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| 01:37.48 | jga23 | any way to force it to not use Chroma scaling? |
| 01:38.01 | KotCzarny | probably |
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| 01:38.16 | KotCzarny | i don't know that one though |
| 01:38.17 | jott | both problems actually.. maybe it's really better to transcode them on your desktop with w32codec pack installed |
| 01:38.23 | jott | (or easier) |
| 01:38.33 | jott | or check if mplayer svn head fixed it.. |
| 01:39.04 | jga23 | the desktop solution isn't an option since its a stream and I want to be able to watch the stream away from my desktop |
| 01:39.15 | jga23 | I'll check mplayer svn |
| 01:39.54 | jott | you could probably transcode it on the fly somehow |
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| 01:40.21 | KotCzarny | jga23: the problem is that we can't use binary codecs |
| 01:40.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:40.48 | KotCzarny | so only hacked codecs are available |
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| 01:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | What's your upstream? |
| 01:50.54 | jga23 | hmm, not sure, I can run a speed test, but my desktop showing the stream just fine on the same network |
| 02:02.03 | pupnik | i'll have fun seeing omap3430 doing hardware decoding of high res video |
| 02:02.42 | pupnik | and running 'really slick screensavers' (openGL) in the desktop background behind transparent xterm :) |
| 02:04.15 | johnx | once it's out I'll take my flying car down to the mall to pick one up. :P |
| 02:05.52 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 02:06.31 | johnx | (I don't think a tablet based on the omap3 will be out any time soon) |
| 02:06.45 | GeneralAntilles | So, uh, what are we getting? |
| 02:06.48 | GeneralAntilles | More OMAP2? |
| 02:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | No way in hell. |
| 02:07.19 | johnx | i dunno. Nokia has like a metric ****-ton of omap2s lying around |
| 02:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | Have you read Texrat's comments on step 5? :P |
| 02:07.32 | johnx | goes off to read |
| 02:07.34 | KotCzarny | omap2 + gl accel would be enough |
| 02:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | You dunno! |
| 02:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | HA! :P |
| 02:07.58 | johnx | must have missed it |
| 02:08.03 | johnx | is it in the diablo thread? |
| 02:08.09 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 02:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhere |
| 02:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | There's so many of them. |
| 02:08.20 | GeneralAntilles | Search for Texrat and socks. :P |
| 02:08.26 | johnx | :D |
| 02:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, I'm 99% certain step 5 is coming somewhere late this or early next year and it'll be OMAP3. |
| 02:10.09 | johnx | I'd believe early 09 |
| 02:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | 2 years without a real upgrade though. :\ |
| 02:10.39 | johnx | Nokia makese cell phones |
| 02:10.48 | johnx | and embedded is "just like that" |
| 02:11.10 | johnx | AFAIK, there's still core Linux functionality that needs to be worked out for the omap3 |
| 02:11.10 | GeneralAntilles | My money is on another September/November release. |
| 02:11.20 | johnx | that would make a lot of sense |
| 02:11.26 | johnx | if they can meet their deadlines |
| 02:11.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, igor was talking about that in relation to the Pandora. |
| 02:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | We're still 6 months away |
| 02:12.40 | pupnik | i'm really interested in getting maemo on p&|a |
| 02:12.46 | johnx | If I had to bet I'd say "First quarter '09" |
| 02:12.47 | esworp | so. this http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/homeip/ and the other apps from this guy look pretty rad. /but/ i need the devel repository added and must've done it wrong.. what's the url for that repo? |
| 02:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it |
| 02:13.09 | GeneralAntilles | It has all the repos. |
| 02:13.23 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik I want Pandora stuff on the N900. :D |
| 02:13.42 | esworp | then something must be amiss, as the needed apps fo not list. |
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| 02:17.12 | esworp | i have everything on gronmeyers list and it's no bueno. |
| 02:17.31 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 02:17.35 | johnx | what are you missing? |
| 02:17.36 | KotCzarny | you have added ALL repos? |
| 02:17.42 | esworp | yupp |
| 02:17.46 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 02:17.50 | KotCzarny | you're asking for problems |
| 02:17.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:17.55 | KotCzarny | sereiously |
| 02:18.01 | KotCzarny | serioously |
| 02:19.10 | esworp | most've them are disabled. why's is a bad idea? |
| 02:19.28 | johnx | ah, disabled is ok |
| 02:19.37 | KotCzarny | ask yabbas :> |
| 02:19.58 | johnx | they tend to have software that conflicts, and also you might have noticed that the OS2008 section contains repos full of software for OS2007 |
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| 02:20.21 | esworp | python-hildondesktop is not availible. |
| 02:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, not really an issue for 95% of the stuff. |
| 02:21.32 | johnx | only takes installing one bad package to "reboot-loop" yourself though |
| 02:21.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | None of that OS2007 stuff in User/ will reboot-loop you, though. |
| 02:22.12 | KotCzarny | and cursing 'why i haven't done a backup' |
| 02:22.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:22.24 | johnx | Just don't install openbox :) |
| 02:23.25 | esworp | has good backup hygeine. |
| 02:24.07 | KotCzarny | good for you |
| 02:24.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:24.45 | esworp | still though, those apps would be sweet.. any ideas. |
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| 02:25.09 | KotCzarny | you can always install manually |
| 02:25.14 | KotCzarny | if there's .deb |
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| 02:25.39 | esworp | i dont see a deb file described as such. |
| 02:27.52 | KotCzarny | what are you trying to do, again? |
| 02:28.22 | esworp | install some apps that |
| 02:28.26 | esworp | install some apps that need python-hildondesktop |
| 02:28.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:29.05 | KotCzarny | i wonder if you can compile one yourself.. |
| 02:29.09 | KotCzarny | http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/python-hildondesktop/ubuntu/ |
| 02:29.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:29.48 | esworp | i just went there when mentioned it. it's ok if it references unbuntu? |
| 02:30.01 | KotCzarny | it's a source though |
| 02:30.11 | esworp | barf. |
| 02:30.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I found that post you're referring to. I guess that pretty much reinforces the Fall/Winter timeline for a chipset refresh. I wonder when Nokia plans on going OMAP3 for phones. Maybe for the N96? |
| 02:30.24 | KotCzarny | don't know how much it differs from maemo |
| 02:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 02:30.52 | esworp | my bluetooth keyboard qould require me to get off the couch. ;/ |
| 02:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 isn't really even past engineering samples yet. |
| 02:31.25 | johnx | yeah...6 months seems like a pretty agressive timeline to see that in a shipping product to me |
| 02:31.29 | johnx | anyways, off to work O_o |
| 02:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | N96 is OMAP2420 |
| 02:31.35 | johnx | ah |
| 02:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | Later |
| 02:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | N900 could be one of the first. |
| 02:31.46 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:31.52 | KotCzarny | esworp, that package is in extras |
| 02:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | Let's just hope there's a discount program. :D |
| 02:31.57 | KotCzarny | extras-devel even |
| 02:31.59 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/p/python-hildondesktop/ |
| 02:32.29 | esworp | wth. why do i not have it right. grr. |
| 02:32.37 | KotCzarny | who knows |
| 02:32.46 | KotCzarny | but treas extras-devel as very beta |
| 02:32.50 | KotCzarny | treat |
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| 02:33.01 | esworp | mkay |
| 02:33.04 | KotCzarny | so install it by hand, and disable afterwards |
| 02:33.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:33.46 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-16460.html |
| 02:34.00 | KotCzarny | and this thread can help you if you want to write your own home applet |
| 02:34.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:34.21 | esworp | both ttje .debs are cited as 'incompatable' |
| 02:34.47 | KotCzarny | which os you have? |
| 02:34.50 | KotCzarny | 2008? |
| 02:34.54 | esworp | yup |
| 02:35.00 | KotCzarny | then it's chinook |
| 02:35.10 | KotCzarny | what is the exact error? (pastebin.com) |
| 02:36.50 | esworp | FAILED: python2.5-hildon |
| 02:36.52 | esworp | Package must have "Section: user/FOO" to be considered compatible. |
| 02:36.54 | esworp | /usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/var/tmp/hildon-desktop-python-loader_0.0.2-1_armel.deb' |
| 02:37.03 | KotCzarny | ah, redpill mode |
| 02:37.14 | esworp | doh. |
| 02:37.34 | KotCzarny | or try looking for a force command |
| 02:38.29 | KotCzarny | or repackaging that file |
| 02:38.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:38.40 | esworp | barf |
| 02:38.48 | KotCzarny | it's quite simple in fact |
| 02:39.09 | KotCzarny | wouldn't require recompiling even |
| 02:39.18 | KotCzarny | only some unpacking/editing/repacking |
| 02:39.36 | KotCzarny | or enable redpill, install, disable redpill |
| 02:39.51 | esworp | feels a diminishing return for a simple little applet. |
| 02:40.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:40.18 | KotCzarny | magic buttons have their price |
| 02:40.27 | esworp | it errors in redpill. too. sez python2.5is not availible. |
| 02:40.38 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 02:40.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:40.51 | KotCzarny | ls -l /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 02:41.21 | KotCzarny | for python you can try installing any other app |
| 02:41.29 | KotCzarny | does canola2 require python2.5 ? |
| 02:41.55 | esworp | yeah . . . i'mer |
| 02:42.02 | esworp | flummoxed |
| 02:43.41 | KotCzarny | anyway, bbl |
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| 04:36.34 | Italodance | :D |
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| 04:48.27 | GeneralAntilles | yabbas? |
| 04:56.32 | Proteous | yabba dabba doooooo |
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| 05:07.43 | Italodance | someone knows another app like simple launcher? |
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| 05:49.22 | Netochka | Does anyone know how to override the package dependencies when installing packages to the nokia n810? |
| 05:50.36 | Netochka | I'm trying to install this application that I developed and it uses hildonmm but it's saying I need a version of hildonfm2 > 1.9.49... But the latest I can seem to get on the nokia is 1.9.46... which I'm sure is fine, but I can't get it to install with just that |
| 05:51.39 | KotCzarny | then you have probably linked it wrongly |
| 05:51.55 | KotCzarny | or you have too new version in sdk |
| 05:52.05 | KotCzarny | downgrade and compile/package again |
| 05:52.17 | Netochka | how do you downgrade in scratchbox though? |
| 05:52.25 | KotCzarny | the same as on device |
| 05:52.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:52.39 | KotCzarny | it also uses apt-get/dpkg system |
| 05:52.44 | KotCzarny | and nearly the same repos |
| 05:53.21 | Netochka | how do you downgrade though? with apt-get? |
| 05:53.27 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:53.32 | KotCzarny | remove and reinstall ? |
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| 05:54.20 | Netochka | oh, how do you restrict it to a certain version though instead of just the most up to date version? sorry for all the questions, I'm just pretty new to linux development |
| 05:55.00 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:55.23 | KotCzarny | do you use scratchbox? |
| 05:56.17 | Netochka | yeah |
| 05:56.50 | KotCzarny | then just download .deb package and install it within scratchbox with dpkg -i |
| 05:58.56 | Netochka | cool, thanks |
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| 06:16.54 | Italodance | someone knows another app like simple launcher? |
| 06:19.30 | Netochka | Is there a way to list the versions of a package that are available to download with apt-get? I'm trying to download an earlier version but the only one I can find that's available is the current version... |
| 06:20.27 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/ |
| 06:21.06 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/h/ |
| 06:22.05 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 06:22.16 | KotCzarny | but i don't see that package anywhere |
| 06:23.55 | Netochka | ahh, thanks, I didn't realize you could just browse the repository... but yeah, so the only version in there is 1.9.49... any idea where I could get earlier versions? |
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| 06:24.23 | KotCzarny | can you check: apt-cache policy hildonfm2 |
| 06:24.38 | KotCzarny | and pastebin.com me the result? |
| 06:25.29 | Netochka | Ahh, wait, I found out that in just the maemo4.0 repository instead... should that work if I set that up as one of my repositories and install it from there? |
| 06:26.06 | KotCzarny | yes, but you can get into troubles having two repos serving same packages |
| 06:26.12 | KotCzarny | (only different versions) |
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| 06:26.19 | KotCzarny | so get the package and install by hand |
| 06:26.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:26.57 | Netochka | ah ok, cool, thanks |
| 06:27.02 | monkeyiq | anyone know of a howto for using jffs2 on the 2gb internal card of the n810? |
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| 07:00.28 | hrw | morning |
| 07:00.34 | hrw | monkeyiq: jffs2 require MTD |
| 07:00.46 | hrw | monkeyiq: that 2gb internal card is sd/mmc so no jffs2 |
| 07:01.12 | monkeyiq | hrw; ah ok. I was reading the jffs howto http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd/mtd-jffs-HOWTO.txt and it seemed to be contradictory at times |
| 07:01.30 | monkeyiq | hrw; I suspected that you needed special support (NOR, or other hardware level stuff) for mtd :/ |
| 07:01.53 | monkeyiq | hrw; is there any recommendation for write leveling on NAND flash / minisd? |
| 07:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | The chips/firmware handles it just fine these days. |
| 07:02.17 | monkeyiq | ext2 with noatime seems to be a very basic attempt at helping the card last a little longer |
| 07:02.20 | hrw | for removable cards I would use ext2/ext3 |
| 07:03.16 | monkeyiq | I mean if the 8gb sdcard I have in the n810 goes bad in a few years I can just junk it, but I'd love to preserve the life of the 2gb fixed card :| |
| 07:03.29 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 07:03.35 | KotCzarny | that's what badblocks command is for |
| 07:03.53 | KotCzarny | and ext2/3 ability to map out bad blocks |
| 07:04.31 | KotCzarny | though having a badblocks in inodes usually means os reinstal ;) |
| 07:04.51 | monkeyiq | yeah, though if you are issuing write cycles enough to kill blocks on the flash, you would imagine that you would start getting blocks dieing on a continual basis |
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| 07:05.09 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 07:05.24 | KotCzarny | there will be a one or two offenders |
| 07:05.29 | KotCzarny | but rest should be ok |
| 07:05.33 | monkeyiq | well, it all depends on your access / write patterns of course |
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| 07:06.03 | KotCzarny | btw. i have a regular slakcware running off 4gb cf card |
| 07:06.06 | hrw | and you plan to have 2gb swap on it and run apps which will make use of whole 2gb - right? |
| 07:06.14 | KotCzarny | and no bb yet |
| 07:06.18 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles; is your comment in regard to using jffs2 ? |
| 07:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | No, wear leveling. |
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| 07:06.42 | pumpkin | is nokia still hosting tablets-dev.nokia.com on an n770? |
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| 07:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on whether the akamai cache for your area sucks. :P |
| 07:07.02 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles; ah ok. does that apply to the 2gb fixed card? |
| 07:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | Presumable, but I'm really not familiar enough with it to say for certain. |
| 07:07.35 | GeneralAntilles | On a completely unrelated subject, who wants to help me fix the wikipedia articles? :D |
| 07:07.36 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq: dmesg|grep mtdblock |
| 07:07.44 | pumpkin | is anyone able to access http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php ? |
| 07:07.45 | KotCzarny | erm. |
| 07:07.50 | KotCzarny | mount |grep mtdblock |
| 07:07.55 | pumpkin | I've been trying for half an hour and the gateway times out every time |
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| 07:07.58 | monkeyiq | hrw; well, I was thinking of having 256mb or so of swap on the 2gb internal card because it would make swapping the only swappable card easier with swap not on it |
| 07:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | Was working a couple hours ago. |
| 07:08.49 | pumpkin | maybe they only host tablets-dev.nokia.com on an n770 for my part of the world :) |
| 07:09.06 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; yeah, the root filesystem when it is on the 256mb card is on /dev/mtdblock4. |
| 07:09.27 | KotCzarny | that's for n800 |
| 07:09.27 | jani | pumpkin: doesnt seem to work |
| 07:09.33 | KotCzarny | you mentioned n810 |
| 07:09.35 | monkeyiq | but the other cards (fixed / swapable on n810) come across as /dev/mmcblk0p2 etc |
| 07:09.40 | monkeyiq | yeah I only have a n810 |
| 07:09.47 | pumpkin | jani: I just got a list of downloads!!! amazing :P |
| 07:09.47 | jani | oh, now it came.. tool a really long time to load |
| 07:09.56 | KotCzarny | if you see mmcblk then it's a regular sd |
| 07:09.58 | icepolarpolar | hi |
| 07:10.05 | KotCzarny | probably soldered to the board |
| 07:10.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:10.11 | KotCzarny | are you brave enough to check? |
| 07:10.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:10.22 | KotCzarny | (if it's soldered or removable) |
| 07:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | Would anybody happen to have some good quality screenshots of the default setups of OS2005/6/7/8? |
| 07:10.59 | monkeyiq | I sort of suspected that, given that there used to be two cards on the n800, they just used the old facilities for one card to hard mount some flash andd access via sdcard interface |
| 07:11.17 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 07:11.18 | icepolarpolar | may i ask: am i right that Maemo comes with some internal localization string ? |
| 07:11.31 | KotCzarny | so anything that applies to sd card applies to that 2gb too |
| 07:11.58 | icepolarpolar | like e.g. ai_ap_application_installer, ai_me_package_install, etc .. |
| 07:12.03 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; not quite at the moment, I imagine somebody else has checked and photoed the guts of the n810 somewhere for me already (and voided *their* warranty doing it). |
| 07:12.10 | hrw | icepolarpolar: maemo and i18n... |
| 07:12.27 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq, i haven't seen them.. |
| 07:12.34 | KotCzarny | only for n800 |
| 07:12.38 | KotCzarny | and some for 770 |
| 07:12.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:12.47 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; I was just hopeful of getting an interface to sdcard storage that jffs2 would be happy with. |
| 07:13.11 | monkeyiq | or some other filesystem that is designed to work in log structured mode and avoid rewrites if possible. |
| 07:13.25 | KotCzarny | ext3 ? |
| 07:13.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:13.29 | monkeyiq | so I could keep the 2gb card at 40-50% capacity to extend its lifetime |
| 07:13.59 | monkeyiq | ext3 writes in place for metadata/data and only keeps the journal not write in place though ? |
| 07:14.11 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 07:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | ext3 will increase writes a lot |
| 07:14.19 | KotCzarny | i have thought that ext3 moves sectors |
| 07:14.19 | hrw | monkeyiq: do you know how long would 2gb jffs2 take to mount? |
| 07:14.23 | KotCzarny | all the time |
| 07:14.39 | monkeyiq | hrw; I heard about that too, the whole tree load on mount :/ |
| 07:15.13 | pumpkin | has anyone here used a PAN on their n*? |
| 07:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan |
| 07:15.33 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; that would be interesting, though if ext3 moves sectors (for data etc) then I would hope it would be for extent coalesing, which would be great for hdds but not so interesting on flash |
| 07:15.45 | pumpkin | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I was there, was just wondering whether it worked well |
| 07:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine. |
| 07:16.21 | KotCzarny | miq: though i don't know if it applies to anything but data |
| 07:16.56 | pumpkin | GeneralAntilles: is there a repo somewhere that I can install it from easily? |
| 07:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras, I believe. |
| 07:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody really needs to get gronmayer some more bandwidth. :\ |
| 07:17.27 | monkeyiq | it does strike me as odd that there isn't something designed ground up to journal on sdcards. I haven't searched for it before as most sdcards I have were in xfat requiring tools like cameras |
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| 07:21.08 | Italodance | ummmmmmm n810 has a tvout http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/ ???????? |
| 07:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 07:21.40 | Italodance | but look at |
| 07:21.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's a dongle. |
| 07:21.59 | pumpkin | GeneralAntilles: I installed it, but can't seem to find a way to turn it on |
| 07:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | Think something more akin to remotedesktop or VNC |
| 07:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's not as simple as a straight video out. |
| 07:22.45 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles ahhh i wish i can join my n800 to tv with usb cable ?????!!!!!!!! |
| 07:22.55 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe in a few years, Italodance. |
| 07:23.00 | GeneralAntilles | That's a research project |
| 07:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | it wont be to market in the short term. |
| 07:23.06 | Italodance | great |
| 07:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | pumpkin, you add a new PAN connection or something from the Connection manager |
| 07:23.18 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall exactly |
| 07:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | or it may just appear automagically |
| 07:23.30 | GeneralAntilles | They should have instructions. |
| 07:23.53 | pumpkin | ah |
| 07:24.17 | qwerty12 | If you are using pycage's maemo-pan, you get a new connection automatically in select connection. |
| 07:24.35 | qwerty12 | You have to select the phone to use it with in Control Panel , Phone. |
| 07:27.16 | KotCzarny | miq: http://www.linux.com/feature/114295 |
| 07:27.37 | pumpkin | qwerty12: I want to connect to my laptop's PAN... |
| 07:27.42 | pumpkin | it keeps saying looking for phone |
| 07:27.43 | pumpkin | and can't find it |
| 07:27.46 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, are your builds of xmms newer than free's build? |
| 07:27.47 | pumpkin | but I'm paired with my laptop |
| 07:28.00 | qwerty12 | pumpkin, Its meant to be for phone. /me shrugs |
| 07:28.02 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: someone fix maemo to have repository so gronmayer's list will be not needed |
| 07:28.08 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: my xmms is probably hacked, a little |
| 07:28.22 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, ok, thanks! Good enough for me ^-^ |
| 07:28.23 | pumpkin | :( |
| 07:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | What, hrw? |
| 07:28.44 | qwerty12 | pumpkin, are you using Linux or Windows? |
| 07:28.45 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: afair i have modified those popup windows to stay on top |
| 07:28.45 | hrw | 08 09:23 < GeneralAntilles> Somebody really needs to get gronmayer some more bandwidth. :\ |
| 07:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | You mean, kick all the jackass developers into shape and make them stop creating new repositories? |
| 07:28.58 | KotCzarny | like file selector, preferences etc |
| 07:29.01 | pumpkin | qwerty12: mac os, but I have windows and linux in VMs if necessary, why? |
| 07:29.24 | qwerty12 | Oh, nothing, I was gonna suggest some long odd way that probably would have failed. |
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| 07:29.28 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, cool :) |
| 07:29.38 | pumpkin | qwerty12: any pointers? |
| 07:29.42 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: first provide one central repository with clean rules. then do what you told |
| 07:29.47 | GeneralAntilles | Extras |
| 07:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | That's the repository |
| 07:30.36 | qwerty12 | pumpkin, I was gonna say that change the class of the computer so it appears as a phone and it would show up in phone applet. I'm not sure on details but I know the N800 hcid.conf has the option. |
| 07:30.43 | pumpkin | ah |
| 07:30.45 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: don't forget to switch mp3 decoder to mad |
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| 07:30.54 | KotCzarny | builtin eats 90% cpu :) |
| 07:30.54 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Already done ;) :) |
| 07:31.02 | qwerty12 | I use it for A2DP |
| 07:31.48 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: then why people mail maemo-devels ML again and again about rules for it? |
| 07:31.51 | qwerty12 | pumpkin, or you could probably hack the gconf entries so it appears to be a phone and shows up in the phone applet |
| 07:31.58 | pumpkin | hmm |
| 07:32.10 | pumpkin | I'll poke around a bit |
| 07:32.18 | GeneralAntilles | Because they can't find them on the website? |
| 07:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno. |
| 07:32.31 | qwerty12 | wtf is the paavo stuff? |
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| 07:33.35 | qwerty12 | pumpkin, I believe maemo-pan is a nice easy way of using the PAN scripts posted on ITT, if you find them, you may be able to edit the scripts. |
| 07:34.12 | pumpkin | qwerty12: you mean like these? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/pan-control?root=maemo-pan&view=markup |
| 07:34.27 | pumpkin | I was poking around the source to try to find where it cares that it's a phone |
| 07:34.39 | qwerty12 | BTADDR=`su - $USER -c "gconftool-2 -g /system/osso/connectivity/BT/preferred"` |
| 07:34.40 | qwerty12 | BTNAME=`su - $USER -c "gconftool-2 -g /system/bluetooth/device/${BTADDR}/name"` imho is a good start |
| 07:35.02 | pumpkin | now to install an ssh daemon for the device |
| 07:35.59 | pumpkin | :( |
| 07:36.28 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:36.32 | qwerty12 | Morning |
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| 07:39.16 | Tobotras | http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/04/android-running-on-n810.html |
| 07:41.14 | wom- | Tobotras: well, that is cool :D |
| 07:41.41 | qwerty12 | Doesn't say anything about N800, is a keyboard an requirement? :( |
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| 07:55.41 | lardman | morning |
| 07:55.55 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: if you want me to respond join #kotc |
| 07:55.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:56.06 | qwerty12 | Ok :) |
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| 08:10.01 | Italodance | how flite_1[1].3_armel.deb can works on my n800 os2008? |
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| 08:18.58 | lardman | install it then do flite --help ?? |
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| 08:22.17 | Italodance | xournal_0.4.2.1-1chinook4_armel.deb oh :D |
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| 08:22.32 | Italodance | lardman what is exactly xournal? |
| 08:22.55 | qwerty12 | Italodance, Yep, already got it installed on my N800 :) Went through dependency hell first though :P |
| 08:23.03 | qwerty12 | To me imho, virtual paper :P |
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| 08:23.32 | Italodance | qwerty12 can it works perfect for u? xournal |
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| 08:24.22 | qwerty12 | Yep, it works for me and I like it but I haven't found any situation I personally can use it in, here's the screenie I posted: http://i30.tinypic.com/14w4utc.png |
| 08:24.58 | Italodance | qwerty12 has it an icon in menu? |
| 08:24.58 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 08:25.04 | qwerty12 | Italodance, yes |
| 08:25.06 | qwerty12 | good morning |
| 08:25.55 | Italodance | qwerty12 ur background/wallpaper looks nice :D what is it? ur city ? |
| 08:26.13 | hrw | hi lardman |
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| 08:26.26 | Italodance | hi hrw :D |
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| 08:26.31 | qwerty12 | Italodance, No :), it's one Underscore posted in the screenshots thread. It's Monaco, I'm in London :) |
| 08:26.53 | hrw | hi Italodance |
| 08:27.20 | Italodance | qwerty12 funny :D |
| 08:28.50 | qwerty12 | Meh, not much scenery in London, at least in East London, where I am. Unless you count lots of stabbings. |
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| 08:33.25 | Italodance | oh i need libart 2.0.2 :( |
| 08:33.47 | qwerty12 | Setting it up was hard, I can't remember the files I used TBH |
| 08:40.23 | yabbas | qwerty12, big up the east london massive, innit! |
| 08:40.44 | qwerty12 | yabbas, Lol, yeah bruv! :D |
| 08:41.02 | yabbas | also - there's plenty to see in london :D it's just we don't bother going out to see it! |
| 08:41.36 | qwerty12 | yabbas, definitely |
| 08:42.40 | yabbas | has lived in london for 20+ years and still not gone inside the tower of london, up tower bridge, in madam taussauds, etc, etc |
| 08:42.53 | yabbas | all those touristy things |
| 08:43.23 | qwerty12 | wow, I've been Tower Of London on a school trip but that's it :p |
| 08:43.55 | yabbas | :) |
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| 08:44.36 | yabbas | looks at his wsod'd N810 and sighs |
| 08:45.22 | qwerty12 | You can't reflash it? :( |
| 08:45.30 | Italodance | libart 2.0.2 where is it? |
| 08:45.37 | yabbas | i can. I've been putting it off in the hopes I can fix it |
| 08:45.45 | yabbas | but I've given up now :) |
| 08:45.58 | qwerty12 | Oh right :). Where does it crash? |
| 08:46.17 | yabbas | hildon-desktop segfaults |
| 08:46.37 | yabbas | matchbox is running, I can load things through ssh |
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| 08:46.44 | qwerty12 | Oh. Not sure about that, probably a desktop applet? |
| 08:47.17 | yabbas | naw, it happened after an apt-get upgrade...GA believes it's something in the SDK or RTComm beta repos |
| 08:47.50 | yabbas | I don't know what, strace output is obsfucated, yadda yadda :) |
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| 08:48.01 | qwerty12 | Lol |
| 08:48.13 | Tobotras | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.15 | Tobotras | idiots. |
| 08:48.38 | yabbas | such a shame coz I had everything setup nicely |
| 08:49.22 | qwerty12 | I know what you mean :(. I had to reflash when I set up my perfect system but I have to admit, I set it up even better after a reflash :\ |
| 08:50.24 | yabbas | I wonder if I should just setup the OS on the internal memory and boot from there form now on...but a part of me umms and ahhs over wearing out the nand flash |
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| 08:53.43 | yabbas | right...reflash; bbl :) |
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| 08:55.46 | qwerty12 | does anybody know where uudecode for CHINOOK_ARMEL can be found? Yes, I don't have it for some odd reason. |
| 08:57.12 | monkeyiq | qwerty12; I don't have it installed either, I think its in sharutils IIRC |
| 08:57.23 | monkeyiq | though that's not coming up with apt either :/ |
| 08:57.37 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :). I'll take a look, hopefully I find it. |
| 08:57.59 | monkeyiq | on a related level, has anyone repackaged coreutils for the n8x0 to parallel install. |
| 08:58.16 | monkeyiq | having a proper md5sum on the thing would be excellent. |
| 08:58.39 | monkeyiq | though I am working on rerolling that deb from debian, once I hack its ./configure to actually run in sbox |
| 09:00.23 | monkeyiq | really wants some of the coreutils versions instead of bbox ones :| |
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| 09:03.50 | qwerty12 | monkeyiq, Thanks! I just went grabbed uudecode from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/armel/sharutils/download and extracted it from the deb and it works :) |
| 09:04.21 | monkeyiq | qwerty12; no worries :) I might do the same ;) |
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| 09:05.05 | monkeyiq | I rebuilt and installed the parted deb from debian, I might reroll the whole sharutils deb in sbox |
| 09:05.30 | qwerty12 | Nice :) |
| 09:05.56 | monkeyiq | I couldn't get gparted to recompile unfortunately, gtkmm issues :/ |
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| 09:22.25 | qwerty12 | Any hints with putenv? |
| 09:22.35 | qwerty12 | I've keep getting main.c:42: error: syntax error before string constant |
| 09:22.50 | qwerty12 | I've included #include <stdlib.h> in main.c |
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| 09:34.38 | monkeyiq | not without seeing main.c:42 |
| 09:35.00 | monkeyiq | you could paste 10 lines of it into #ferris |
| 09:36.15 | qwerty12 | monkeyiq, putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=xmms"); |
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| 09:36.27 | qwerty12 | I've tried so much variations. Sigh. |
| 09:37.49 | monkeyiq | hmm :/ |
| 09:38.37 | qwerty12 | I may be putting it into the wrong file or the right file but the wrong section. I would assume main.c would be the right file though? |
| 09:38.42 | monkeyiq | Put #define __USE_XOPEN before the putenv() |
| 09:38.51 | monkeyiq | the define on its own line |
| 09:39.32 | qwerty12 | Nope :(, "main.c:42: error: syntax error before string constant |
| 09:39.32 | qwerty12 | main.c:42: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `putenv' |
| 09:39.32 | qwerty12 | main.c:42: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 09:39.32 | qwerty12 | " :( |
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| 09:40.23 | monkeyiq | hmm. that was my guess after seeing the guards in sbox |
| 09:40.35 | monkeyiq | maybe there is another define needed to actually get the definition unlocked |
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| 09:40.53 | qwerty12 | Ah, well, thanks anyway :), I'll guess I have to pray :P |
| 09:41.11 | qwerty12 | All the stuff I've seen just says to include stdlib.h (or something like that) |
| 09:42.52 | monkeyiq | yeah, its a strange one, it shouldn't be pushing tin to expect putenv() |
| 09:45.10 | hrw | I wonder does someone from maemo website team ever heard about google search ;( |
| 09:45.35 | hrw | google: "maemo scratchbox" - maemo site is somewhere on 2-3 page |
| 09:45.55 | monkeyiq | now that's a charmer of a build error "makeinfo: symbol qsort, version GLIBC_2.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" |
| 09:46.50 | johnx | hrw, it's probably because they call it the sdk everywhere they can |
| 09:48.29 | qwerty12 | meh forget it, I'm just gonna call a script to define the variables. |
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| 09:49.35 | hrw | hi florian_ |
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| 09:59.51 | monkeyiq | yay, md5sum and other coreutils tucked away for the n810. Finally the command line is looking more alive |
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| 10:05.05 | sarower | hello every body |
| 10:05.29 | sarower | i want to use open gl in maemomm |
| 10:05.43 | sarower | is there any body has experience related to this..? |
| 10:05.57 | sarower | if then please suggest me how to use..! |
| 10:06.12 | hrw | sarower: if you build mesa and do all in software... |
| 10:06.39 | sarower | hrw: please give me the instruction in details.. |
| 10:06.54 | sarower | how i can build mesa? |
| 10:06.57 | sarower | hrw? |
| 10:07.49 | hrw | sarower: go and read maemo sdk notes |
| 10:07.56 | hrw | then sit in a corner and cry |
| 10:08.08 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 10:08.40 | johnx | sarower, do you have the maemo sdk (scratchbox) installed yet? |
| 10:09.00 | sarower | yah ofcourse.. |
| 10:09.11 | sarower | johnx.. |
| 10:09.24 | johnx | if you want to use mesa for software GL you'll need to compile it in scratchbox |
| 10:09.33 | johnx | I suggest you start with the Debian source package for it |
| 10:09.51 | sarower | how i can do it .. please.. |
| 10:11.17 | sarower | <johnx>: I can not find the debian source package.. in the web... |
| 10:11.35 | sarower | can you please provide the link me... |
| 10:11.39 | johnx | right here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/mesa |
| 10:11.40 | johnx | :) |
| 10:11.57 | johnx | grab the .dsc, the .tar.gz and the .diff.gz from the bottom of that page |
| 10:12.31 | hrw | or add debian sources into apt |
| 10:12.41 | sarower | yah please... |
| 10:12.48 | johnx | put them all in the same directory, and type dpkg-source -x foo.dsc |
| 10:12.49 | sarower | then the command..? |
| 10:13.00 | hrw | "debuild -b -uc" |
| 10:13.23 | johnx | well, that's a better idea :) |
| 10:14.23 | sarower | "debuild -b -uc"..... dont understand |
| 10:17.26 | johnx | you just run dpkg-source -x somepackage.dsc to unpack the source and apply the patches, then cd into the directory it makes and run debuild -b -uc |
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| 10:24.21 | hrw | or 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' but this will not tell you how many deps you lack |
| 10:24.45 | johnx | or my favorite dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot :) |
| 10:25.03 | hrw | I prefer debuild |
| 10:25.12 | KotCzarny | so many ways to do the same thing |
| 10:25.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:25.16 | KotCzarny | i like it |
| 10:25.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:25.17 | johnx | I didn't even know about it until today :) |
| 10:25.25 | sarower | ok |
| 10:25.25 | qwerty12 | The joys of *nix |
| 10:25.28 | sarower | Thanx... |
| 10:25.38 | hrw | less typing, check build deps, generate changes file and nicely cooperate with 'sudo debi' |
| 10:25.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:25.57 | KotCzarny | does it make pancakes too? |
| 10:26.02 | hrw | no |
| 10:26.07 | KotCzarny | shucks. |
| 10:26.14 | KotCzarny | sounded too good to be true |
| 10:26.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:26.18 | hrw | but does blowjobs on each tuesday at 13:37 |
| 10:26.27 | qwerty12 | lmao, I'm there ;) |
| 10:26.30 | KotCzarny | nah, for this i prefer real girl |
| 10:26.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:26.46 | qwerty12 | Linux can wipe me down any time ;) |
| 10:26.52 | johnx | O_o |
| 10:27.39 | qwerty12 | I admit it! I had to buy new usb ports... I will make "PC World"! |
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| 10:33.17 | sarower | johnx, hrw: Unmet build dependencies: quilt (>= 0.40) libdrm-dev (>= 2.2.0) xutils-dev x11proto-gl-dev (>= 1.4.8) libxxf86vm-dev lesstif2-dev |
| 10:33.21 | sarower | error |
| 10:33.47 | johnx | yes, you'll need to track down the source packages for those dependencies on packages.debian.org and build them as well |
| 10:33.52 | sarower | after debuild -b -uc |
| 10:34.15 | qwerty12 | libxxf86vm=https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=632 |
| 10:34.34 | sarower | quilt? |
| 10:34.40 | hrw | sarower: remember - maemo is not debian. you need to manually build all deps |
| 10:34.51 | sarower | hmm |
| 10:34.59 | sarower | libdrm-dev? |
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| 10:35.42 | sarower_ | hmm |
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| 10:39.33 | qwerty12 | Any shell scripters? Can someone fix this script: "http://pastebin.ca/976652" . I need the command to be all on one line. It fails with the message "line 3: LC_ALL=C: not found" |
| 10:39.42 | qwerty12 | http://pastebin.ca/976652 |
| 10:40.11 | qwerty12 | EDIT: http://pastebin.ca/976657 |
| 10:41.02 | _|Nix|_ | What's the point of the second pair of backquotes? |
| 10:41.26 | qwerty12 | I have no idea TBH. |
| 10:41.42 | johnx | ah, hacking someone elses' script? |
| 10:42.20 | qwerty12 | I'm trying to "improve" xmms :P. As you can see, I'm not doing great. I must note I hacked your a2dp script :P |
| 10:42.26 | hrw | SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=`basename $0` LC_ALL=C XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 exec /usr/bin/xmms "$@" |
| 10:42.33 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 10:42.56 | hrw | qwerty12: tell me where your packages are |
| 10:43.08 | qwerty12 | For xmms? |
| 10:43.12 | hrw | so I will have one repository less to track ;) |
| 10:43.45 | hrw | as this is hack not solution |
| 10:43.59 | qwerty12 | I don't have a repo :). I just grabbed KotCzarny's xmms build and I am messing with it : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xmms |
| 10:44.20 | KotCzarny | wrong link |
| 10:44.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:44.45 | qwerty12 | My bad, sorry, I was guessing earlier and I must have copied wrong link from ff history |
| 10:45.07 | KotCzarny | this is temporary directory i have setup for the source :) |
| 10:46.03 | KotCzarny | better paste: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ |
| 10:46.40 | qwerty12 | Thanks :), you have some brilliant stuff in the N800 folder, I hope to take a better look sometime :) |
| 10:47.04 | KotCzarny | though it's more a mess than anything particular |
| 10:47.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:48.15 | qwerty12 | Just out of question, you know the xmms-pl.desktop, does that file get used for anything? |
| 10:48.42 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 10:48.50 | KotCzarny | never looked inside though |
| 10:48.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:49.18 | qwerty12 | I looked, and NoDisplay=true so it probably isnt used for starting anything :/ |
| 10:50.18 | KotCzarny | maybe it's just for drag'n'drop playlist interaction |
| 10:50.26 | KotCzarny | for desktop |
| 10:50.37 | KotCzarny | real desktop, not maemo |
| 10:50.58 | qwerty12 | Hehe, probably right. I don't think I have to make changes to that file then. |
| 10:51.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:05.39 | Cptnodegard | that peculiar amazon ebook thingy can read papers and shit |
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| 11:06.16 | Cptnodegard | i know there are ebook readers for the n8x0, but does the same subscriptions work? |
| 11:06.43 | johnx | the ebook reader for maemo (fbreader) can only read books without drm |
| 11:07.17 | Cptnodegard | ah |
| 11:07.22 | Cptnodegard | papers are drm? o0 |
| 11:07.38 | johnx | you mean newspaper subscriptions? |
| 11:07.45 | qwerty12 | zomg, school papers? |
| 11:07.45 | Cptnodegard | paying 400 bucks for a black and white screen with wifi is retarded |
| 11:07.47 | johnx | or like pieces of paper? |
| 11:07.52 | Cptnodegard | newspaper |
| 11:08.13 | Cptnodegard | for books there is #bookz so no need for subscriptions |
| 11:08.31 | KotCzarny | drm is weevil |
| 11:08.32 | johnx | for newspaper subscriptions, it's probably some proprietary format |
| 11:08.45 | Cptnodegard | blargh |
| 11:08.51 | KotCzarny | 'we don't approve you, reader, die' |
| 11:08.52 | Cptnodegard | txt is the most underrated format ever |
| 11:09.07 | qwerty12 | agrees, most of my ebooks are in txt |
| 11:09.15 | KotCzarny | html is not bad |
| 11:09.33 | Cptnodegard | i hate pdf, and i hate those winrar-txt-wannabes |
| 11:09.40 | Cptnodegard | html is ok |
| 11:09.40 | KotCzarny | and can be easily converted to txt via simple replace |
| 11:09.50 | Cptnodegard | pdf is what annoys me |
| 11:10.00 | KotCzarny | pdf is for printing, not for reading |
| 11:10.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:10.18 | Cptnodegard | its pointless, requires a lot of resources, its pointless, annoying, and pointless |
| 11:10.21 | KotCzarny | it's meant to produce the same results on paper |
| 11:10.21 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 11:10.27 | KotCzarny | not in head |
| 11:10.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:12.17 | Cptnodegard | i used to read ebooks on the psp |
| 11:12.28 | Cptnodegard | because of the wired remote |
| 11:12.48 | Cptnodegard | mount the device on the nightstand with a windshield mount, control it with the remote |
| 11:12.50 | qwerty12 | with bookr or did something better come out? |
| 11:13.11 | Cptnodegard | i converted txt files to jpg |
| 11:13.12 | qwerty12 | My PSP has a broken joystick, hasn't been touched in a year :P |
| 11:13.15 | qwerty12 | Ah |
| 11:13.31 | Cptnodegard | that way i could get it vertically |
| 11:13.41 | Cptnodegard | and much easier to find where i left off |
| 11:13.47 | Cptnodegard | not that i tried any of the readers |
| 11:14.21 | Cptnodegard | hmm |
| 11:14.41 | Cptnodegard | should be possible to use a cellphone as a remote for maemo ebook readers |
| 11:14.58 | Cptnodegard | like with canola and maemo mapper |
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| 11:20.13 | hrw | Cptnodegard: run hidd on tablet and you have it |
| 11:20.30 | hrw | Cptnodegard: my cellphone handle BT-HID keyboard profile |
| 11:21.03 | qwerty12 | Which one? :), I have SE W810 which has "remote control" which is HID. |
| 11:21.22 | Cptnodegard | yeah SE remote control is what that guy used for canola and m mapper |
| 11:22.07 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, do you have K550? I think I saw it in reflection in photo thread? (Yes, odd questions but I am a SE phone modder too :)) |
| 11:23.19 | hrw | qwerty12: k750i |
| 11:23.43 | hrw | qwerty12: with k750i firmware (when it comes to modding) |
| 11:23.51 | qwerty12 | You mean W800 firmware? :P |
| 11:23.57 | qwerty12 | Oh, my bad :D |
| 11:24.15 | qwerty12 | I messed up my K750, joystick and keypad broke. |
| 11:24.22 | hrw | qwerty12: I had w800 firmware for 5 minutes |
| 11:24.49 | hrw | qwerty12: as I do not use phone for music (only fm radio) w800 firmware was worse then k750 one |
| 11:25.16 | qwerty12 | Ah, I see. Did you miss the activity menu? |
| 11:25.51 | hrw | o yes |
| 11:27.19 | Cptnodegard | qwerty12 i got a k550 yes, but i havent modded it |
| 11:27.28 | qwerty12 | It's why I love my W810 :P. Walkman & Activity menu. The only thing is, I have too much patches and ELF's running that it's quite prone to reboots :) |
| 11:27.53 | qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, Nice :). IMHO, the best mod is flashing it to W610. |
| 11:28.10 | Cptnodegard | i dont use it for music so little point |
| 11:28.44 | qwerty12 | Ah, I use mine for music. I don't use my N800 for music, IMHO it's too clunky. I only use the N800 for A2DP. |
| 11:29.19 | Cptnodegard | i got....X amount of mp3 players so i dont use either for music |
| 11:30.41 | Cptnodegard | the cell is merely an extension of the n800 for me, internet connection, remote control and camera |
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| 11:43.07 | toed | does anyone know of a good chinese->english dictionary for maemo? |
| 11:43.41 | qwerty12 | Try a Stardict. |
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| 11:45.17 | toed | that brings me to my follow-up question, does chinese handwriting recognition work yet? |
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| 11:46.05 | johnx | I haven't heard of one. But there is an on-screen keyboard based Chinese input method |
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| 11:46.21 | johnx | hi, Capn_Fish :) |
| 11:46.25 | Capn_Fish | Hello |
| 11:46.32 | toed | what's it called johnx ? |
| 11:46.40 | qwerty12 | maemocjk |
| 11:47.00 | ert | Hi |
| 11:47.07 | johnx | toed, http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 11:47.19 | toed | oh right I remember that one |
| 11:47.34 | toed | trouble is if you don't know how a character is pronounced you won't be able to input it that way :/ |
| 11:47.36 | Capn_Fish | Sorry, I only have 5 minutes before I have to be off |
| 11:47.48 | johnx | Capn_Fish, no worries :) |
| 11:48.01 | Capn_Fish | Anyway, I'd like to have "standard" Debian on my N810. I assume I can just nuke the WM and have that? |
| 11:48.15 | johnx | yup |
| 11:48.46 | johnx | there's a hildon-desktop init script. Just don't run it and run whatever else you want instead |
| 11:48.46 | Capn_Fish | Cool. I assume the keyboard is just a matter of patching and recompiling the kernel? |
| 11:49.10 | Capn_Fish | Or compiling a module? |
| 11:49.14 | johnx | you mean like an external keyboard? |
| 11:49.22 | johnx | they should "just work" |
| 11:49.26 | Capn_Fish | No, the internal one |
| 11:49.48 | johnx | you'll want to stick with the Nokia sources for the kernel for now |
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| 11:50.16 | Capn_Fish | OK, if the Nokia kernel is being used, how come the KB doesn't funtion? Is it a mapping issue? |
| 11:50.38 | johnx | ah, it's just some userspace thing. but I don't have an N810 to track down what the problem was |
| 11:51.04 | johnx | might just be a matter of copying over a keymap |
| 11:51.09 | Capn_Fish | I'll be more than happy th help with that |
| 11:51.32 | Capn_Fish | I have to go now. Will you be around for a bit around 11 CST? |
| 11:51.50 | johnx | how many hours from now? |
| 11:51.54 | Capn_Fish | 5 |
| 11:51.58 | Capn_Fish | 4 |
| 11:52.02 | johnx | hopefully not :) |
| 11:52.06 | Capn_Fish | OK |
| 11:52.13 | Capn_Fish | I'll PM you then |
| 11:52.15 | Capn_Fish | See ya |
| 11:52.16 | johnx | ok |
| 11:52.20 | johnx | later |
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| 11:58.11 | qwerty12 | Is there any easy, straightforward way of preparing a program for DBUS? I've made my changes to the desktop file and I've made a service file. If there is not easy way then I can't be bothered. Not to be ignorant but I don't really know about programming and it would cause more hassle for you to try and explain. |
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| 12:07.57 | Spakman | Does anyone know how I change my Maemo Garage project from alpha status to beta? |
| 12:08.06 | Spakman | I'm totally lost in the admin interface! |
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| 12:16.48 | inz | qwerty, easiest way is to use libosso's osso_initialize |
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| 13:07.34 | toed | how can I install a font on the sd card? |
| 13:07.46 | KotCzarny | make a symlink |
| 13:07.52 | toed | symlink to ~/.fonts will work? |
| 13:08.25 | johnx | it should |
| 13:08.27 | KotCzarny | maybe, haven't looked in the config files |
| 13:08.38 | toed | cheers |
| 13:08.40 | KotCzarny | http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8294 |
| 13:08.50 | KotCzarny | nice analysis |
| 13:08.56 | toed | (these 20mb chinese fonts are nutso) |
| 13:09.15 | johnx | there are kind of a lot of kaji :) |
| 13:10.18 | johnx | s/kaji/Kanji/g |
| 13:10.29 | johnx | is tired |
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| 13:11.22 | toed | unfortunately yeah |
| 13:12.03 | toed | do you know how the "IM change on-the-fly" from maemocjk works? |
| 13:12.52 | johnx | I had it installed in OS2007 but I haven't installed the OS2008 version yet so I don't know anything about it |
| 13:13.04 | johnx | in OS2007 there was a drop down menu IIRC |
| 13:14.14 | toed | hrm |
| 13:14.21 | toed | how can i restart X ? |
| 13:14.26 | johnx | reboot |
| 13:14.27 | KotCzarny | kill it |
| 13:14.41 | KotCzarny | you can try killing hildon-desktop |
| 13:14.48 | KotCzarny | if you only want to restart wm |
| 13:15.30 | inz | hildon-desktop isn't wm, matchbox is |
| 13:15.48 | KotCzarny | but doesn't it take mb down too? |
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| 13:17.39 | inz | unlikely |
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| 13:19.06 | KotCzarny | ah, well, matchbox-window-manager can be restarted too by a killing |
| 13:19.09 | lardman | yay, Kingston micro to mini adaptor works |
| 13:20.07 | toed | johnx: oh does the im change not allow you to switch between scim and the original hildon one |
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| 13:20.49 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:21.09 | SamuraiDio | does someone know if Nokia n810 can connect to internet through an usb modem? |
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| 13:21.23 | johnx | toed, In the OS2007 version you were stuck with that same keyboard, but I don't know anything about the OS2008 version |
| 13:21.43 | johnx | SamuraiDio, it would depend on how much power that USB modem needed from the USB port |
| 13:21.55 | toed | i'm runnign 07 as well |
| 13:22.17 | johnx | ah, then yes you're stuck with that keyboard until you uninstall it |
| 13:22.35 | toed | that's too bad |
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| 13:22.59 | johnx | AFAIK, most of the hildon input method stuff was closed source in OS2007 |
| 13:23.06 | toed | (i didn't even know there *was* an os2008) |
| 13:23.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:23.26 | johnx | toed, you have an N800? |
| 13:23.29 | toed | 770 |
| 13:23.31 | johnx | aaah |
| 13:23.53 | johnx | there's an OS2008HE for the 770 these days, but it's supposed to be pretty slow |
| 13:23.57 | johnx | has an N800 |
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| 13:24.25 | toed | oh |
| 13:24.29 | SamuraiDio | johnx, sure. but can the usb port of n810 be used to connect to usb storage devices, modems or other devices, or just to sync with a computer? |
| 13:24.33 | toed | well if i can get handwriting recognition to work i'm not too bothered |
| 13:24.55 | johnx | SamuraiDio, it's a USB OTG port. It can act as a host. |
| 13:25.09 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
| 13:25.11 | johnx | I've personally used a keyboard and a USB flash drive on it |
| 13:25.20 | toed | whoa cool |
| 13:25.25 | Spakman | has anyone got the ruby-maemo examples/documentation from before maemo.rubyx.co.uk disappeared? |
| 13:25.43 | johnx | toed, do you have a particular HWR program in mind? |
| 13:25.53 | toed | tomoe I guess |
| 13:26.13 | toed | i installed scim-tomoe but it's not showing up in the scim menu |
| 13:26.49 | johnx | if you haven't search the internettablettalk.com forums yet that may be worthwhile |
| 13:27.10 | toed | I managed to get it working once ages ago |
| 13:27.23 | johnx | some people have gotten it working more recently, IIRC |
| 13:27.32 | toed | I'll have a look then thanks |
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| 13:33.26 | toed | well this is interesting, it keeps resetting itself when i try to open the scim setup |
| 13:33.34 | johnx | :( |
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| 13:39.06 | buddylee | having trouble with the defaults icd uses to call pppd |
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| 15:10.06 | pernhuichia | hi .. |
| 15:11.59 | pernhuichia | may i ask where can i ask more information about the "left" and "right" buttons that appear when we are in the fullscreen mode of N810 photo viewer? |
| 15:12.35 | pernhuichia | i mean where can i find more information about the "left" and "right" buttons .. |
| 15:12.39 | pernhuichia | :) thanks! |
| 15:12.53 | Cptnodegard | sets mode +weirdo pernhuichia |
| 15:13.01 | Cptnodegard | what about the left and right buttons?= |
| 15:13.19 | mgedmin | the PDF reader has those too, I believe |
| 15:13.30 | mgedmin | when you tap in the place where you saw the prev/next button it goes to the prev/next page |
| 15:15.09 | pernhuichia | ya .. may i ask how can i use them for my application ? |
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| 15:17.09 | pernhuichia | is it a standard widget that we can use readily ? |
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| 15:28.19 | Tuco1 | anyone has experience using tablet-encode on windows? |
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| 15:42.28 | qwerty12 | I'm odd. I just wasted my time compiling IPV6 support when my router doesn't support it :\ |
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| 15:43.42 | Tuco1 | it's ok, just write a new firmware for your router so it will support it :) |
| 15:44.33 | qwerty12 | Hehe, my router's weird. It's been a couple of years since I compiled a firmware for it, I've forgotten now :P |
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| 15:44.56 | qwerty12 | & I can't remember how to cross compile for it. |
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| 16:03.47 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
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| 16:44.50 | lopz | Hello, someone programmed with pybluez? |
| 16:45.08 | lopz | I send an image as a n800 -> mobile, using the module pybluez? |
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| 16:48.13 | qwerty12 | Is there a command line to set a program with realtime priority? |
| 16:48.54 | Blafasel | realtime? Uhm.. |
| 16:48.57 | Blafasel | Try nice/renice |
| 16:49.25 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks, I'll try it out. I want to set xmms realtime on my N800 but running xmms as root messes up. |
| 16:50.52 | Blafasel | You probably just want to prioritize the application. "realtime" is impossible imo on that platform (and OS) |
| 16:53.41 | qwerty12 | Hmm, thanks for that but that requires PID's. I plan on running renice from a script so my PID would be different each time. is there any other programs? I don't mind trying to compile them for armel. |
| 16:54.43 | Blafasel | I could point to my previous answer, but you didn't bother to accept the answer the first time.. |
| 16:55.59 | pH5 | qwerty12: pidof? |
| 16:56.19 | qwerty12 | I'm sorry but I just want to try. I'm bit more accustomed to windows and you just get Realtime, high etc, I'm not really sure about prioritising so I just wanna try realtime. Again I am sorry. |
| 16:56.39 | Blafasel | nice someprocess |
| 16:56.45 | qwerty12 | pH5, ok, thanks. I'll look into it. I'm not really a scripter. |
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| 16:57.49 | Blafasel | Check nice --help or man nice if you want to start something with a different priority. Check renice if you want to change the priority of something later (and you have various ways to get a pid from name) |
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| 16:58.52 | qwerty12 | Blafasel, I don't seem to have nice on the tablet. Also I think renice is a better solution as I wish to run xmms as "user" but change to higher priorites via root |
| 16:59.18 | Blafasel | qwerty12: Ok, fair enough (and I admit that I didn't check for nice before). |
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| 17:00.34 | qwerty12 | Blafasel, :) , nice would be a good solution except the xmms I have doesn't like being run via root >.< |
| 17:03.09 | qwerty12 | Ok, what is the highest number I can set priority too, failing that, the most reasonable number? |
| 17:05.35 | dragorn | 19 to -20 |
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| 17:18.16 | eathprod | Just got an N800 here, where could i read about how to change OS to 2008? |
| 17:19.26 | tank-man | try these search terms in google, maemo flash |
| 17:19.59 | eathprod | thanks |
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| 17:30.46 | webustany | hi there |
| 17:31.07 | webustany | is there an alternative terminal for os2008 ? I didn't find one, and the stock one lacks some functions |
| 17:32.29 | Cptnodegard | http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/08/android-lands-on-the-n810-blows-our-minds/ |
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| 17:36.23 | Navi | Cptnodegard, yeah, saw that |
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| 17:37.34 | |zeus| | can i do google-talk call with video from computer to n810 |
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| 17:41.53 | kulve | afaik, no |
| 17:42.12 | zuh | uh, I didn't think engadget was that prone to hype. "we heard that one can run android on n810 and it's awesome" doesn't sound like in-depth review to me :) |
| 17:42.34 | glass | haha |
| 17:42.35 | mgedmin | it's google related, therefore awesome. qed |
| 17:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 17:42.42 | glass | yeh.. |
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| 17:43.57 | zuh | Must be. Like Apple's iPhone was perfect (if you don't want to do certain, or, well, a lot of things with it) |
| 17:46.40 | glass | zuh: with apple the hype goes that there exists nothing but apple |
| 17:47.59 | mwaldron | what? the 810 isn't made by apple? i thought they made all the cool gadgets |
| 17:48.22 | glass | mwaldron: in apple-hype world 810 doesn't exist |
| 17:48.55 | glass | just like pretending the same with set top boxes, phones, mp3 players, whatever |
| 17:49.07 | glass | it goes through some of press too |
| 17:53.36 | Navi | Linux doesn't exist in the Apple world |
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| 17:55.12 | zuh | Yeah, they run BSD ;) |
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| 17:57.49 | phunguy | yup |
| 17:57.56 | phunguy | osx based on bsd |
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| 18:02.27 | webustany | I just installed sdk+ on an ubuntu gutsy, using the instructions on the website |
| 18:02.32 | webustany | but scratchbox does not work |
| 18:02.47 | webustany | it says "error loading ...../main.lua" |
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| 18:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | Would anybody happen to have a link to the original OS2007HE announcement? |
| 18:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | I can't seem to find it on maemo.org |
| 18:17.42 | Navi | :P |
| 18:17.50 | Navi | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1183720952.html <- this one? |
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| 18:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | That's not the first, unfortunately. |
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| 18:26.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: why, OOI? |
| 18:26.50 | GeneralAntilles | Working on the wikipedia article. |
| 18:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | This seems to work well enough for a reference http://www.notacloud.com/blog/?p=27 |
| 18:28.59 | Jaffa | has had to get out his N810 and start MediaBo loudly to cover the sickening phlegmy noises being made by the bloke next to him on the train |
| 18:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember off-hand what ITOS was called before it was ITOS (and when they switched)? |
| 18:39.03 | GeneralAntilles | I'm blanking. . . . |
| 18:39.51 | mgedmin | was it ever not called IT OS? |
| 18:40.12 | mgedmin | the earliest was OS2005, right? |
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| 18:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain ITOS came later, but I could be wrong. |
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| 18:42.46 | keesj | here they talk about "SDK matching the latest OS 2006 Software Edition available here." http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html |
| 18:47.33 | mgedmin | thinks the full name always was "Internet Tablet Operating System 200x Software Edition", shortened to "IT OS 200x" or "OS 200x" or "200x SE" |
| 18:51.44 | lcuk2 | unless you arrpe running the he |
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| 18:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to compile some highlights of the important API and package changes for each ITOS release, it'd be much appreciated. :D |
| 18:54.37 | lcuk2 | should we compile your slippers into it as well? |
| 18:54.50 | lcuk2 | and pipe :P |
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| 18:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, I'm doing most of the grunt work here! :P |
| 18:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | But, yes, please. |
| 18:55.18 | lcuk2 | lol being a male cheerleader is hard work isnt it |
| 18:55.57 | wom- | :) |
| 18:56.28 | lcuk2 | its a shame i cant scrollback and see just what your asking for - i wonder if i could make a shared scrollback between main computer and this 810 |
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| 18:56.53 | ||cw | like, a log? |
| 18:57.05 | wom- | or a screen |
| 18:57.10 | lcuk2 | wekk yer but xchat lists it in here |
| 18:57.15 | lcuk2 | well* |
| 18:57.32 | lcuk2 | i can scrollback about 6 months in this window everytiem i open it |
| 18:58.08 | ||cw | yeah, xchat loads from the log |
| 18:58.36 | ||cw | it's just a text file, load it over ssh or whatever |
| 18:58.57 | lcuk2 | yer but its not just a copy - its gotta be merged in time |
| 18:59.22 | lcuk2 | some of the time i am logged in with both |
| 19:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2 |
| 19:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 19:00.31 | lcuk2 | hang on, theres an almost live log available i could just use that |
| 19:00.42 | konttori | Nice. My bug on extras upload difficulty has finally been moved to assigned state. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 |
| 19:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | Good, X-Fade! |
| 19:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | s/Good/Go/ |
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| 19:09.05 | keesj | http://etrunko.blogspot.com/ android on the nokia it hardware :p |
| 19:09.15 | KotCzarny | again? |
| 19:09.16 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 19:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, first draft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 19:09.40 | konttori | yeah. would be interesting to see android first hand |
| 19:13.11 | keesj | would be interesting yes |
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| 19:18.50 | konttori | But now... I'm much more interested in why I cannot get my home applet timers working properly |
| 19:19.32 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) i just scrolled back and can see why - i also just read the former maemo page and your draft is a great improvement :) |
| 19:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | Not saying much. ;) |
| 19:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Would somebody more familiar with the technical details of the SDK be willing to write up an overview for me? |
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| 19:21.57 | KotCzarny | ssvb :) |
| 19:24.56 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4355 |
| 19:25.02 | KotCzarny | humm |
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| 19:27.33 | lcuk | missing kb |
| 19:27.33 | lcuk | looks droolworthy tho |
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| 19:28.34 | KotCzarny | "However, that vid was all flash based animation. " |
| 19:28.56 | KotCzarny | gui in flash, lol |
| 19:29.22 | lcuk | needs hw accell to get flash like that - i dont think even my computer is that smooth |
| 19:29.28 | lcuk | unless of course its lower res |
| 19:29.48 | KotCzarny | i wonder what's the battery life |
| 19:29.58 | lcuk | why do you think it was tethered |
| 19:30.03 | KotCzarny | if it's good then it has perfect screen size for me |
| 19:30.24 | lcuk | yes it seems a nice size - arent the archos devices similar |
| 19:30.27 | KotCzarny | 4.8" |
| 19:30.29 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 19:30.39 | KotCzarny | looks much bigger on that vid though |
| 19:30.45 | KotCzarny | maybe that lady has small hands :) |
| 19:30.47 | lcuk | small hands |
| 19:30.48 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:31.40 | ]-[andful_of_not | why do so much 3D if you cannot afford it : p |
| 19:31.41 | ]-[andful_of_not | :) |
| 19:31.46 | lcuk | right, with or without the pvr i want to find a way to scale bitmaps without taking huge amounts of time |
| 19:32.07 | ]-[andful_of_not | lcuk: please let me know if you find out :))) |
| 19:32.27 | lcuk | curses this 810 - its like buying a car but being told 5th gear is not there |
| 19:32.35 | KotCzarny | lcuk: write a dsp program? |
| 19:32.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
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| 19:32.47 | ]-[andful_of_not | KotCzarny: I really don't think the dsp would work on this :) |
| 19:32.48 | lcuk | technically we have SIMD instructions and the nice dsp coprocessor available |
| 19:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | More like buying a car and not knowing there's a fifth gear. :P |
| 19:33.15 | lcuk | i knew alright, i read about the engine before |
| 19:33.44 | ]-[andful_of_not | Raster did some experiment with the dsp but the gain was not worth the effort at all |
| 19:33.54 | KotCzarny | more like 'there's a turbocompressor, but we left out a buttons and wires for it' |
| 19:33.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:33.57 | lcuk | ]-[andful_of_not, why dont you think dsp will work - its usable now |
| 19:34.11 | lcuk | ahhh sorry |
| 19:34.17 | lcuk | didnt look up in time |
| 19:34.56 | ]-[andful_of_not | :) np |
| 19:35.11 | lcuk | it should be possible to scale and rotate though - sure its not real 3d, but neither was doom etc |
| 19:35.29 | SHADOW6 | . |
| 19:35.52 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:35.56 | KotCzarny | it has optical mouse |
| 19:36.01 | KotCzarny | (that lenovo pad) |
| 19:36.01 | ]-[andful_of_not | we also tought, but after rasters tryout and lack of improvements we decided to pray for a GL ES enabled device hehehe |
| 19:36.28 | konttori | atom processors have HW flash acceleration |
| 19:36.29 | SHADOW6 | Vnc for n180 |
| 19:36.33 | konttori | I think |
| 19:36.39 | KotCzarny | hon: can he make that code public? |
| 19:36.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:36.44 | lcuk | it just needs careful examination of the init code from some other device running same cpu/pvr |
| 19:36.53 | konttori | (someone was talking about the flash speed on the lenovo device) |
| 19:37.10 | lcuk | atom processors have LOTS of niceness |
| 19:37.16 | konttori | indeed. |
| 19:37.17 | lcuk | (in a very small package) |
| 19:37.22 | phunguy | YOU HAVE NICENESS! |
| 19:37.24 | phunguy | ...] |
| 19:37.25 | phunguy | :/ |
| 19:37.37 | lcuk | i can has niceness |
| 19:37.59 | konttori | then again, so do the omap processors. ... only drivers missing... |
| 19:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | Atom isn't quite up to OMAP levels, though. |
| 19:38.21 | konttori | even the omap 2 could do accelerated flash with openvg drivers |
| 19:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | Not being SoCs is a fairly large disadvantage. |
| 19:39.12 | KotCzarny | konttor: but if there's no software (drivers) then it's like there is no niceness included |
| 19:39.24 | konttori | shame we don't have the drivers.... |
| 19:39.33 | lcuk | we dont need accel flash if the rendering is simply quicker - its accel everything. |
| 19:39.58 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, can't you go and knock some heads around over there and get them for us? :D |
| 19:40.03 | ]-[andful_of_not | :) |
| 19:40.17 | KotCzarny | it's up to nokia or hackers |
| 19:40.21 | KotCzarny | ti won't help |
| 19:40.22 | lcuk | KotCzarny, were you asking ]-[andful_of_not if the code was available to that raster test? |
| 19:40.29 | konttori | GA: wish it was that easy. If it was up to me, we'd have them. |
| 19:40.32 | lcuk | their hands are ti'ed |
| 19:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | nominates konttori for teh ultimate decision making powars! |
| 19:41.09 | SHADOW6 | Is there a 3d rendering software compatible with the N180 |
| 19:41.24 | KotCzarny | lcuk: yes, about that dsp code, every bit of example helps :) |
| 19:41.26 | konttori | With the power invested in me by GA.... behold the opengl drivers.... |
| 19:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | N180! |
| 19:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Is that like the N360/2? |
| 19:41.36 | lcuk | no. we have no base driver which is needed to talk to the 3d hardware. |
| 19:41.44 | KotCzarny | do we? |
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| 19:41.46 | konttori | Bzzt... bzzt... Not enough power.... Noooo.... |
| 19:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | Captain maemo! |
| 19:42.10 | KotCzarny | ah, sorry, misread |
| 19:42.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:42.15 | lcuk | quick - cross the streams! |
| 19:42.22 | GeneralAntilles | No, don't cross the streams! |
| 19:42.40 | MangoFusion | opengl drivers for the IT's seems akin to Duke Nukem Forever |
| 19:42.50 | lcuk | lol MangoFusion :) very apt |
| 19:43.02 | lcuk | cos they just announced a DNF port to maemo |
| 19:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | Well, we do have some hope. |
| 19:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | Just not for this generation stuff. |
| 19:43.38 | lcuk | ahhh, but this device will outlive lots of things |
| 19:43.38 | ]-[andful_of_not | KotCzarny: I will ask him, it was just before we handled him a N800 last year in the 2007 bossa conference: ) I don;t know if he still does have those experiments :/ |
| 19:43.44 | ]-[andful_of_not | but if he has I think he would share it |
| 19:43.56 | KotCzarny | hon: great :) |
| 19:44.00 | ]-[andful_of_not | but I can also ask some other dsp dudes (konttori, can you also ask) ? |
| 19:44.05 | lcuk | handful, if you can get anything it would be great |
| 19:44.19 | ]-[andful_of_not | because AFAIK : it doesn't help for a couple of reasons : / |
| 19:44.21 | lcuk | yes, if we can get some tests together maybe something can come of it :) |
| 19:44.49 | ]-[andful_of_not | we would do ANYTHING to get better scaling that we have now, and ours is pretty good already ; / but is not comparade with a accell version AT all |
| 19:44.50 | ]-[andful_of_not | :) |
| 19:45.03 | KotCzarny | cheat! |
| 19:45.08 | KotCzarny | as nv does :) |
| 19:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, slow the animations down by half. ;) |
| 19:45.52 | GeneralAntilles | tick-tick-tick |
| 19:45.56 | lcuk | ]-[andful_of_not, all the more reason to dig the code out - if we can make any improvements they would naturally be brought back to the fold |
| 19:45.58 | konttori | I can ask some dsp examples to be published if I have the time this week (might also be not possible... let's see) |
| 19:46.22 | lcuk | these things benefit mankind |
| 19:46.27 | lcuk | (well us lot) |
| 19:46.29 | SHADOW6 | uSB control does it work? |
| 19:46.42 | konttori | what do you need the scaling for anyway? |
| 19:46.47 | ]-[andful_of_not | yes we know and Raster would for sure release if anything was showing promising results that :) |
| 19:46.56 | lcuk | hmmmm usb coprocessor - would still be faster than internal ;) |
| 19:46.57 | konttori | yeah, it should work. |
| 19:47.21 | ]-[andful_of_not | konttori: for what? Anything like zooming, scalling icons faster / better in real time, etc |
| 19:47.47 | lcuk | because if you want to move an image somewhere you want it larger or smaller if you clicked on it - or any other number of reasons |
| 19:48.24 | lcuk | the lcd already gives us whole display scaling, but we need finer grain |
| 19:48.45 | KotCzarny | yeah, eyecandy |
| 19:48.54 | KotCzarny | lcuk: pip? |
| 19:48.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:49.09 | lcuk | thats avaialble from the lcd - you just make a smaller window and then it draws inside it |
| 19:49.22 | lcuk | leaves all remaining data where it was so you can update inside faster than outside |
| 19:49.33 | lcuk | and that even scales |
| 19:49.39 | konttori | you probably don't want to do that sort of stuff on the dsp. |
| 19:49.53 | lcuk | its how come i can show an 800*480 display in a window in hildon |
| 19:49.58 | konttori | processor is probably much more efficient |
| 19:50.05 | lcuk | no i know we dont want to do that |
| 19:50.24 | ^^atkarc | byez |
| 19:50.29 | lcuk | but there is nothing wrong in asking it to blit a grid of tiles for us while i am calculating other things |
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| 19:50.48 | lcuk | say for a paralax scrolling space game |
| 19:50.49 | KotCzarny | free cycles :) |
| 19:51.00 | lcuk | at 800*480 |
| 19:51.21 | ]-[andful_of_not | Instead of this I would prefer no tearing :) |
| 19:51.39 | lcuk | tear free using xv library 800*480 27fps |
| 19:51.46 | ]-[andful_of_not | for paralx scrolling, double pixel buffering could work quite nicely :) (I know it;'s low resolution ) |
| 19:52.15 | lcuk | handful check back later and ask kot for a link |
| 19:52.27 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:52.27 | lcuk | i should have set up a page with an example |
| 19:52.31 | ]-[andful_of_not | a link for what? |
| 19:52.43 | ]-[andful_of_not | example of ? |
| 19:52.49 | lcuk | tear free using xv library 800*480 27fps |
| 19:52.55 | lcuk | fullscreen scrolling |
| 19:52.57 | ]-[andful_of_not | on the n800? |
| 19:53.02 | lcuk | 810 |
| 19:53.03 | ]-[andful_of_not | n810 ? |
| 19:53.09 | ]-[andful_of_not | ha! |
| 19:53.13 | ]-[andful_of_not | that I really want to see |
| 19:53.13 | ]-[andful_of_not | :) |
| 19:53.19 | lcuk | but to get color i need some help |
| 19:53.21 | ]-[andful_of_not | please |
| 19:53.28 | lcuk | hence wanting to use dsp |
| 19:53.39 | ]-[andful_of_not | how did you managed to workaround the lack of bandwith? |
| 19:53.48 | lcuk | right lemme go setup a document and get some code up there |
| 19:53.56 | lcuk | ive gotta do some sanitising and cleaning up first |
| 19:54.01 | ]-[andful_of_not | ok |
| 19:54.07 | lcuk | there is no lack of bandwidth |
| 19:54.16 | lcuk | 800480 YUV screen is fast enough |
| 19:54.24 | lcuk | its not RGB |
| 19:54.31 | lcuk | (which is not enough) |
| 19:54.37 | ]-[andful_of_not | ok the video format |
| 19:54.46 | ]-[andful_of_not | so you want now to convert back to rgb to display |
| 19:54.50 | ]-[andful_of_not | I see |
| 19:54.58 | ]-[andful_of_not | well :) hehhe |
| 19:55.06 | lcuk | no |
| 19:55.20 | lcuk | it renders to the lcd at yuv - that is a standard input format for it |
| 19:55.55 | lcuk | 1 plane 800*480 "grey", 1 plane 400*240 "U" , 1 plane 400*240 "V" |
| 19:55.57 | ]-[andful_of_not | ok so I will ask the link to Kont :) and see if the guys on the team here can help / get the doc from raster also |
| 19:56.02 | lcuk | so its less memory |
| 19:56.38 | lcuk | i have enough cpu to render whole screen in color but not much time left for anything else |
| 19:56.45 | ]-[andful_of_not | ah ok.. |
| 19:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you need more release. :P |
| 19:56.53 | lcuk | if i render in b&w i have plenty of time |
| 19:56.59 | KotCzarny | dropping to 25fps will leave some cycles |
| 19:57.35 | lcuk | yes, dropping to 640*480 leaves more still and doesnt half look bad (really - 1 pixel on a 225dpi screen lost every now and then...) |
| 19:57.47 | lcuk | look good* |
| 19:57.56 | konttori | tearing is caused by the slow BUS between the main memory and the epson lcd controller. No power in the world can help in that |
| 19:58.23 | lcuk | no, but i want to take away the blit cycles which are used drawing the screen |
| 19:58.37 | konttori | only way is the double pixel (thus, 4x frames, thus, no tearing) |
| 19:58.41 | lcuk | the screen is a memory buffer - i need something to help me splatter all the data onto it |
| 19:58.42 | ]-[andful_of_not | yeah konttori , his approach is different.. but at least in my projects will not help : / even if the dsp could handle the drawing part : / |
| 19:59.09 | ]-[andful_of_not | is cursed hehehe |
| 20:00.00 | lcuk | #i will accept help from the cpu (using optimised SIMD instructions where possible), the PVR and its video processing subunit (does scaling / conversion), the DSP or anywhere else people can imagine |
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| 20:00.53 | lcuk | :) back later |
| 20:01.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:01.31 | KotCzarny | breakfast time |
| 20:01.34 | KotCzarny | bbl |
| 20:02.17 | konttori | lcuk: do you use the fast memcopy to do the blitting (the one that the mplayer developer ported) |
| 20:02.29 | konttori | that should help during blitting |
| 20:03.03 | pH5 | is there any reason nobody has released a hacked glibc yet with that memcpy as default? :) |
| 20:03.13 | lcuk | memcopy would waste cycles - a blit was needed which i've got as best as i can |
| 20:04.01 | ssvb | konttori: that was only optimized for 770, but I heared somebody tuned memcpy for ARM11 as well |
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| 20:04.26 | lcuk | its mainly been spans of about 8 longs multiplied 30 times per glyph. much slower to call any function than to use long access where possible in a register optimised loop |
| 20:04.48 | konttori | ssvb: ah. In any case, it was truly splendid work |
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| 20:06.59 | webustany | hi, does someone use sb2 on an ubuntu gutsy ? |
| 20:07.27 | elb | lots of someones do |
| 20:07.47 | webustany | ok, has someone ever had the "Error loading main.lua" error ? |
| 20:07.51 | KotCzarny | is me, so no ubuntu here |
| 20:08.11 | ssvb | lcuk: mplayer has an optimized software scaler for YUV format, it is used on 770 which does not have arbitrary HW scaling |
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| 20:09.10 | ssvb | lcuk: it does not have the best image quality, but it is very fast |
| 20:09.30 | webustany | I followed the standard install procedure, and lua50 is installed on this machine |
| 20:10.48 | lcuk | ssvb :) wonderful, i will take a look |
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| 20:15.17 | ssvb | lcuk: technically also a true bilinear scaling is possible (and I had plans to implement it), but that would be somewhat slower |
| 20:16.19 | lcuk | i dont think it would be needed. i'm only thinking of small effects on pre-existing glyphs |
| 20:17.11 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:17.22 | KotCzarny | how about making a commnity acceleration lib? |
| 20:17.26 | lcuk | what license do people commonly put code under that is just playtests. any/none/pd/gpl? |
| 20:17.27 | KotCzarny | community |
| 20:17.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:17.48 | KotCzarny | lcuk: if you plan on releasing it as a gpl later, then gpl :) |
| 20:17.54 | lcuk | there is already one - sdl |
| 20:17.56 | KotCzarny | if anything other, then anything other |
| 20:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | I'd GPL |
| 20:18.26 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but is it accelerated? |
| 20:18.56 | lcuk | no kot - thats what i mean though - target the accell lib towards simply improving sdl... |
| 20:18.59 | lcuk | it helps most people |
| 20:19.07 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 20:19.19 | KotCzarny | i don't mind drop-in compatibility at all :) |
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| 20:20.31 | lcuk | actually it wouldnt matter because you could just have a do_x_sdl(...) calll |
| 20:20.37 | lcuk | and it takes sdl bitmaps |
| 20:21.02 | lcuk | but the problem with sdl is the amount of options available per bitmap type |
| 20:21.10 | lcuk | the amount of branching before you get to the good stuff |
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| 20:30.34 | KotCzarny | started n8x0 faq: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/faq-n8x0.html |
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| 20:48.19 | KotCzarny | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/fanoush/2008/04/07/tearsync_now_works_with_770 |
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| 21:08.58 | ssvb | KotCzarny: yes, that's a very nice feature. Now if we can efficiently load a 252MHz C55x DSP core with a useful work, 770 may turn into a very good multimedia device. |
| 21:09.27 | KotCzarny | better late than never? |
| 21:09.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:09.57 | KotCzarny | ssvb: btw. what's the status of dsp/gst on n8x0 and mplayer ? |
| 21:10.38 | KotCzarny | i have noticed it loops after seeking for a few seconds then continues |
| 21:10.39 | ssvb | KotCzarny: haven't looked into it |
| 21:10.46 | KotCzarny | effect i haven't seen before |
| 21:11.30 | KotCzarny | and only video loops |
| 21:11.39 | KotCzarny | sound is played ok |
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| 21:28.10 | unique311 | might've asked this before...OFFTOPIC...I have a 250GB sata hardrive....but in computer management it says that the hardrive is 500GB and that i have 185GB unallocated. |
| 21:28.22 | unique311 | does this mean that the hardrive might be dying? |
| 21:28.47 | KotCzarny | have you tinkered with it? |
| 21:29.15 | unique311 | no |
| 21:29.28 | KotCzarny | try in another computer |
| 21:29.34 | KotCzarny | or boot some livecd |
| 21:29.39 | KotCzarny | and check again |
| 21:29.43 | unique311 | really afraid to partition that 185 unallocated |
| 21:29.46 | unique311 | lol |
| 21:29.54 | unique311 | ok |
| 21:30.07 | KotCzarny | try hdtune too |
| 21:30.22 | KotCzarny | it should tell you what it reports on hw level |
| 21:30.42 | KotCzarny | hdtune is a nice little tool for winxp |
| 21:30.58 | unique311 | cool |
| 21:31.00 | unique311 | thanks |
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| 21:38.27 | dmz | howdy y'all, quick question if anyone knows it...i have an N810 and i see in the calendar it has home & destination clocks, is it possible ot have the alarm & the applet display the destinatoin time and not the home time? I hate haveing to change my clock while i'm traveling... |
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| 21:45.20 | dmz | nm i see that you can't really do that |
| 21:45.42 | dmz | the n810 assumes your "home" does not change and that you don't ever travel |
| 21:46.06 | dmz | weird that a mobile tablet has something designed such that it assumes you never "leave" your home timezone |
| 21:46.07 | dmz | sigh |
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| 21:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | dmz, there's a bug on bugzilla |
| 21:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | Vote on it. |
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| 21:57.11 | dmz | url? |
| 21:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1693 |
| 21:58.24 | dmz | thanks |
| 22:02.27 | fysa | Android on the N810 |
| 22:02.35 | fysa | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/android-nokia-n810-2.jpg |
| 22:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how many more times people are gonna bring that up |
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| 22:03.21 | fysa | I will be back in an hour to repeat. |
| 22:03.35 | KotCzarny | fysa: with screenshots! |
| 22:03.36 | fysa | just in case |
| 22:03.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 22:03.57 | fysa | heh |
| 22:05.59 | fysa | http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:-FwwMJM_M1wJ:elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP+http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 22:06.09 | fysa | a cache of the Android_on_OMAP wiki is the best I can do. |
| 22:06.28 | dougt_ | was elinux shut down? |
| 22:06.37 | fysa | just overrun I believe. |
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| 22:08.40 | fysa | http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals/browse_thread/thread/7028432fa76f57e8/1556f431d3eb1e57 |
| 22:09.21 | fysa | no touchscreen yet |
| 22:10.03 | dougt_ | okay, iphone has a one click to jailbreak and unlock. where is the same for n810->android? |
| 22:10.07 | dougt_ | :-) |
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| 22:10.15 | fysa | iphone->android even ;) |
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| 22:12.16 | dougt_ | lol |
| 22:12.34 | dougt_ | fysa: that would be hot. |
| 22:13.16 | fysa | wouldn't expect anything usable for anyone without an entire day/weekend to spend on it in the next 6 months.. |
| 22:14.05 | fysa | hopefully this time next year we are awash in lovely applications and widgets |
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| 22:47.04 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167142#post167142 too much to ask for you guys and gals to post your tablet doodlers on that thread? |
| 22:47.10 | unique311 | perty please |
| 22:47.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 22:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | You're so demanding. |
| 22:49.35 | unique311 | just a little |
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| 22:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 22:59.00 | dougt_ | how do I create a symlink that allows me to share a directory that lives outside my scratchbox so that I can access it from within my scratchbox? |
| 22:59.22 | KotCzarny | scratchbox is chrooted |
| 22:59.34 | KotCzarny | so you can't i gues |
| 22:59.35 | KotCzarny | s |
| 22:59.57 | KotCzarny | you can only share some dir outside |
| 22:59.59 | dougt_ | it is linux, there must be a way! :) |
| 23:00.08 | KotCzarny | sure, hardlinks |
| 23:00.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:00.16 | KotCzarny | but don't ask me about details |
| 23:00.46 | dougt_ | RTFM. |
| 23:00.47 | KotCzarny | (or if it will work) |
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| 23:01.14 | KotCzarny | runs away |
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| 23:03.29 | elias | hi, has anyone tried mobilemyth on nokia770? |
| 23:03.39 | elias | cant seem to find any screenshots of it |
| 23:03.45 | elias | only of maemomyth |
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| 23:08.23 | Jiten_ | dougt_: mount --bind |
| 23:08.40 | KotCzarny | jiten: last time i checked it didn't work |
| 23:09.11 | Jiten_ | you mean with chroot or at all? |
| 23:09.12 | KotCzarny | but it was sshfs mounted dir there |
| 23:09.21 | KotCzarny | with chroot |
| 23:09.26 | KotCzarny | i use --bind quite often |
| 23:10.22 | dougt_ | Jiten_: basically I want to be able to access one directory ($HOME/build/moz.19) from both my regular login (to do x86-desktop builds) and from within sbox (to do arm device builds). |
| 23:10.54 | KotCzarny | move that dir to sbox tree and symlink it outside |
| 23:10.59 | KotCzarny | that way it will work |
| 23:11.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:11.10 | Jiten_ | Well, I personally solved the issue by symlinking a directory from inside scratchbox to my real homedir. |
| 23:11.50 | Jiten_ | just a subdirectory though. |
| 23:12.24 | dougt_ | how do you access your home dir from inside the sbox? |
| 23:12.34 | Jiten_ | no no, the other way around |
| 23:12.47 | Jiten_ | the directory is inside sbox, homedir has symlink to it |
| 23:12.56 | dougt_ | yeah. |
| 23:13.04 | dougt_ | that is what KotCzarny is saying. |
| 23:13.15 | dougt_ | i hate it that way. :-) |
| 23:13.21 | KotCzarny | life |
| 23:13.25 | dougt_ | indeed. |
| 23:13.30 | KotCzarny | if you don't like symlinks just make hardlink |
| 23:13.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:13.37 | dougt_ | added to my list of things to fix if I have inf time. |
| 23:13.40 | Jiten_ | you could try mount --bind, if it works it'd solve it. |
| 23:13.46 | dougt_ | lol |
| 23:14.24 | KotCzarny | as long homedir and scratchbox are on the same partition it will work |
| 23:14.30 | dougt_ | yeah, something about trusting your src dir to something you never tried before doesn't really float my boat. |
| 23:14.31 | KotCzarny | (hardlinking) |
| 23:14.54 | dougt_ | KotCzarny: what is the drawback? |
| 23:15.13 | KotCzarny | you have to remember it's available from 2 places |
| 23:15.18 | Jiten_ | mount --bind practically makes one physical directory to exist in two places on the directory hierarchy |
| 23:15.36 | KotCzarny | so if you compile for arm and then use it also from x86 you can make a mess |
| 23:16.02 | dougt_ | KotCzarny: our build system has separate obj dirs. |
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| 23:16.18 | KotCzarny | also, you can't make hardlinks over different partitions (mount --bind is for that) |
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| 23:17.48 | dougt_ | cool |
| 23:18.01 | dougt_ | sudo mount --bind /home/dougt/builds/moz1.9 /scratchbox/users/dougt/home/dougt/moz1.9 |
| 23:18.07 | dougt_ | seems to have worked just fine. |
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| 23:46.28 | Navi | heh |
| 23:46.47 | Navi | RSS feed applet is fail :p |
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| 23:55.59 | KotCzarny | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208317 |
| 23:56.01 | KotCzarny | hummm |
| 23:56.48 | dougt_ | I wonder why they are not available in HI, AK, or PR. |
| 23:57.06 | dougt_ | wow. i love teh commentts. |
| 23:57.13 | KotCzarny | maybe they only ship to continental us |
| 23:57.23 | KotCzarny | yeah, comments are nice ;) |
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