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| 00:12.56 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9RAPNa-55k video playing on omap 3430 dev board |
| 00:14.31 | pupnik | also check out the user for an early emulator demo running on it |
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| 00:25.53 | lcuk | pupnik: how cool would that be with stylus |
| 00:26.24 | lcuk | thats prob playable at lower resolution and we can move the screen fast enough down there |
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| 00:27.21 | pupnik | i think the game runs on xmame |
| 00:27.44 | pupnik | if you want to fix up openTyrian's mouse handling, that'd be great :) |
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| 00:28.16 | lcuk | what would you do -> fly the cursor to the most recent tap point? |
| 00:28.46 | lcuk | or just have it jumping |
| 00:28.46 | pupnik | yes |
| 00:28.50 | pupnik | no no |
| 00:29.00 | pupnik | acceleration-based motion-to-tap-destination |
| 00:29.29 | lcuk | no, it would have to be a cursor moved around like you move the space ship around - ie a combination of dpads |
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| 00:29.52 | pupnik | i don't understand |
| 00:30.03 | pupnik | i imagine tap a position on screen and ship flies to it |
| 00:30.32 | lcuk | yes so do i - its ok i misread |
| 00:30.32 | pupnik | (opentyrian) |
| 00:30.47 | KotCzarny | that's what i thought |
| 00:30.50 | KotCzarny | move queue |
| 00:30.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:31.03 | KotCzarny | with a tap on the end |
| 00:31.09 | KotCzarny | not on the start |
| 00:31.19 | lcuk | but since the game is geared to a koystick/dpad interface it would need to send a combination of left/right/up/downs to the original game |
| 00:31.59 | pupnik | opentyrian responds variably to mouse speed, or binary to dpad |
| 00:32.02 | lcuk | it would be tricky to try to get something fixed up |
| 00:32.14 | KotCzarny | i have to sit down and finally write the code for uae |
| 00:32.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:32.17 | pupnik | i looked at the mouse stuff and it made brain confused |
| 00:33.50 | lcuk | if a game was designed for moust that is fine, but as a general bit of code how could it be made to work for arcade games which use joypad event handlers |
| 00:34.11 | pupnik | i have no answer for that |
| 00:34.18 | lcuk | i dont think there is one tbh |
| 00:34.56 | lcuk | its a piece of magic code: a abutton which when you press it will produce code to do specifically what you want without knowing everything about everywhere |
| 00:35.22 | lcuk | hates customers who ask for those |
| 00:35.41 | KotCzarny | but if you write one |
| 00:35.49 | KotCzarny | you are amazed usually |
| 00:35.53 | KotCzarny | how good they are |
| 00:35.58 | KotCzarny | (those magic buttons) |
| 00:36.11 | lcuk | those magic buttons are only as good as the information around them |
| 00:36.16 | lcuk | shit in, shit out |
| 00:36.49 | KotCzarny | and shit gets magically done |
| 00:36.49 | lcuk | spec it nicely and you give yourself more than enough info to answer most questions |
| 00:36.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:37.02 | lcuk | replaces kot with a short shell script |
| 00:37.24 | KotCzarny | yawns and persists |
| 00:37.54 | lcuk | star_persist( &stars[starused] ); |
| 00:38.31 | KotCzarny | return(yawn); |
| 00:41.21 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:42.04 | KotCzarny | have you noticed, that TI in reverse is IT ? |
| 00:42.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:42.40 | pupnik | yeah, and "IT" was the evil brain that controlled all the people in Madeleine L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time" |
| 00:42.59 | KotCzarny | remembers "IT" as an evil clown |
| 00:43.15 | pupnik | Speaking of clowns, it's Crispin Glover's birthday soon. |
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| 00:44.01 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=WsSx5NA6sXw Crispin Glover "Clowny Clown Clown" |
| 00:47.07 | KotCzarny | watching things mutes is great |
| 00:47.25 | KotCzarny | sound usually stops brain from thinking |
| 00:47.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:52.44 | pupnik | nah the terrible music is essential |
| 00:54.50 | pupnik | shakes a bony fist at the sky and yells "what is the POINT!?" |
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| 00:58.45 | pupnik | haha and intel you can shove atom up your own asses. epic FAIL. gwaafafhasnorkel |
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| 01:04.21 | Ziegler | Is it just rumor that a open source wifi driver exists? |
| 01:04.53 | pupnik | now i've heard there was a rumor |
| 01:05.09 | KotCzarny | it's as open as intel wifi open source driver |
| 01:05.14 | pupnik | so at least there's a rumor that there was a rumour |
| 01:06.08 | Ziegler | Hehe... I realize nothing reguarding wifi from nokia is os, but i thought i saw some talk of a comuntiy version |
| 01:06.26 | Ziegler | But could not find a single file |
| 01:07.35 | KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=12 |
| 01:07.50 | KotCzarny | but you still need binary blob from original initfs |
| 01:07.53 | KotCzarny | named umac.ko |
| 01:08.05 | fysa | oh god pupnik |
| 01:08.07 | fysa | you found Crispin Glover. |
| 01:08.11 | fysa | I had that album. |
| 01:09.08 | pupnik | my roommate had the cd with clowns. been damaged by it for many years now |
| 01:09.19 | Ziegler | Interesting... |
| 01:11.15 | Ziegler | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.27 | pupnik | http://www.planetgong.co.uk/octave/cd/passednormal.shtml also 'Passed Normal', vol 5 is worth getting if you're adventurous about music |
| 01:15.57 | pupnik | wow 'Passed Normal' Vol 4 going for $140 in europe |
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| 01:21.56 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4346 |
| 01:21.58 | KotCzarny | heh.. |
| 01:22.05 | KotCzarny | 'great' news |
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| 01:27.41 | esworp | so i got an 'issue'. some apps won't install because of a conflict with hildon-libs0. seems like the version i have is bogus, as i see one availible in redpill mode but cant delete thee old one to replace it. |
| 01:28.27 | esworp | and as my luck would have it, xterm cant be installed because of this conflict. |
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| 01:32.58 | esworp | :/ |
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| 02:43.40 | unixSnob | any TaxCut users here? |
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| 03:23.53 | alsor | das someone known about 'MidLinux'? |
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| 03:29.43 | johnx | intel's mid thing based on parts of hildon with a flash-based app launcher |
| 03:29.48 | johnx | something else you wanted to know? |
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| 03:35.12 | remicles | this is an interesting error to get while running 'apt-get update' : |
| 03:35.19 | remicles | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 03:35.19 | remicles | " |
| 03:35.55 | johnx | not really, that's the standard complaint if it can't find GPG keys for repositories |
| 03:36.27 | remicles | what will make it work? |
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| 03:36.39 | johnx | Nokia adding GPG keys for their repositories |
| 03:36.50 | johnx | just so you know, it's not really an error. apt will still work. |
| 03:36.58 | remicles | trying to install http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ in scratchbox |
| 03:37.10 | remicles | alright, thanks |
| 03:37.17 | Navi | oh, someone already has packages? |
| 03:37.39 | Navi | Man |
| 03:37.53 | Navi | I built that crap for no reason then >_> |
| 03:37.56 | remicles | yeah, i've got it on the device now, just trying to install it in scratchbox |
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| 03:38.00 | remicles | bummer |
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| 03:47.15 | esworp | were any channels ever added to videocenter, or is it still just the two? |
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| 03:54.08 | Italodance | hello |
| 03:54.23 | Italodance | i need an important help |
| 03:54.35 | Italodance | please read here : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166062#post166062 |
| 03:55.00 | Italodance | ? |
| 03:58.05 | Italodance | please for god reply me |
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| 04:01.34 | johnx | Italodance, I have no idea what the problem is |
| 04:02.38 | Italodance | johnx yes i don't understand too |
| 04:02.53 | Italodance | tell me is it possible to refresh os2008 again? |
| 04:03.05 | johnx | to just reinstall completely? yes, absolutely |
| 04:03.37 | johnx | it will erase all the applications you have installed but it will restore your N800 to a completely fresh install of OS2008 |
| 04:04.01 | Italodance | johnx yes use Nokia Internet Tablet Software Update Wizard and update it to latest version again possible? |
| 04:04.18 | johnx | exactly |
| 04:04.20 | Italodance | from 0s2008 to last version |
| 04:04.27 | WormFood | you're saying when you plug in the charger, the battery status icon disappears? |
| 04:05.11 | Italodance | WormFood no when i plug in the charge the battey icon |
| 04:05.24 | Italodance | won't for up and down |
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| 04:06.11 | Italodance | it said charging but not change in icon |
| 04:06.29 | WormFood | the icon does not show that it is charging? |
| 04:06.32 | Italodance | and when the screen goes to dark (agter 10 sec) |
| 04:06.35 | unixSnob | anyone mount their NIT in their car -- without using a suction cup? |
| 04:07.12 | Italodance | and i click on then the battery icon is invisible |
| 04:07.20 | WormFood | unixSnob, I use epoxy ;) |
| 04:07.51 | WormFood | I'm lying....I don't even have a car here (my car is on the other side of the world, and is broken to boot) |
| 04:08.06 | Italodance | :( |
| 04:08.25 | unixSnob | well you apparently don't need it working, from where you are p) |
| 04:08.39 | unixSnob | s/p)/:p/ |
| 04:09.15 | WormFood | unixSnob, you want to use the gps functions in your automobile? |
| 04:09.30 | Italodance | johnx the backup can copy all my games apps...in my internal memory (n mmmc1/2)? |
| 04:09.31 | unixSnob | eventually.. but at the moment surf the web |
| 04:09.50 | unixSnob | I was able to apply for jobs while driving the other day (eeek) |
| 04:10.14 | unixSnob | I also want to get internet radio going |
| 04:10.53 | unixSnob | I intend to use ram-mounts parts to mount it.. but I still need a device holder |
| 04:11.50 | Italodance | :( |
| 04:13.36 | johnx | Italodance, It won't copy your installed apps |
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| 04:15.44 | Italodance | johnx ah...:"'( |
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| 05:06.30 | Italodance | hello i still need ur help |
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| 05:33.49 | Italodance | help |
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| 05:39.53 | Italodance | WormFood are u there? |
| 05:40.07 | Italodance | please read my reply http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166095#post166095 |
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| 07:33.48 | pupnik | my god the open-file dialog is SO BAD |
| 07:34.12 | pupnik | who designs a file browser that only displays three files at a time |
| 07:34.13 | pupnik | ?!?! |
| 07:34.16 | pupnik | THREE |
| 07:34.31 | KotCzarny | probably a blind |
| 07:34.40 | KotCzarny | or a person with math problems |
| 07:34.44 | pupnik | it's not because it's finger-friendly - it can't be used with finger since it uses the typical hildon scrollbar |
| 07:34.45 | KotCzarny | one, two, many |
| 07:34.47 | pupnik | haha |
| 07:35.22 | pupnik | i just... ergh. can't-- believe--- mind-- must-- take-- chloroform |
| 07:35.40 | pupnik | passes out from disbelief |
| 07:36.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:38.08 | KotCzarny | as for finger friendliness, probably you can drag everywhere in the window |
| 07:38.16 | KotCzarny | not only in on the scrollbar |
| 07:38.33 | pupnik | you can not |
| 07:38.41 | pupnik | clicking any file hilights it |
| 07:38.47 | pupnik | no drag possible |
| 07:38.49 | KotCzarny | then i agree, bad design. |
| 07:38.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:38.58 | KotCzarny | or work in progress |
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| 07:49.02 | Italodance | KotCzarny |
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| 08:05.44 | hrw | morning |
| 08:05.49 | Spakman | I've been asked to "Hildonize the top menu" in my application, but I don't really know what that means. My app seems to work just like other ones on the IT. |
| 08:05.56 | Spakman | any thoughts? |
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| 08:07.15 | Italodance | ? |
| 08:12.15 | hrw | ?? |
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| 08:14.46 | Italodance | hrw |
| 08:14.52 | Italodance | can u help me now? |
| 08:15.06 | hrw | Italodance: like I wrote before - no idea |
| 08:15.25 | Italodance | hrw that's strange |
| 08:17.14 | hrw | Italodance: I do not have nokia hardware documentation or maemo sources to check what does battery applet do |
| 08:18.15 | Italodance | hrw hardware no! read my topic again |
| 08:18.31 | Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166095#post166095 |
| 08:18.41 | Italodance | read my reply+edit |
| 08:19.13 | Italodance | charge is ok and done |
| 08:19.23 | hrw | Italodance: normally I would say: "use the source Luke" but this is maemo so I do not know does it is open at all |
| 08:19.55 | Italodance | use the source Luke? what is it? |
| 08:21.33 | hrw | heh... I forgets too often that there are more and more people too young to see StarWars... |
| 08:22.04 | Italodance | hrw BAH! |
| 08:23.49 | FunkyPenguin | could someone confirm how simple the porting process is? i would like to port a cli app |
| 08:24.09 | hrw | FunkyPenguin: porting? |
| 08:24.19 | hrw | cli app should just require compiling |
| 08:24.27 | pupnik | Spakman: in hildon, the app menu is activated by clicking in the 'title area' of the un-maximised app |
| 08:24.35 | hrw | gtk apps may need porting |
| 08:24.45 | Italodance | hrw control pannel>tools>restore original settings can it solve this? |
| 08:24.55 | FunkyPenguin | hrw: well yes that is true, but i would like to be able to offer a package for others to install |
| 08:25.15 | hrw | FunkyPenguin: then compile and build package |
| 08:25.22 | hrw | FunkyPenguin: it is still not porting |
| 08:25.41 | FunkyPenguin | ah ok, my mistake with terminology |
| 08:25.41 | hrw | Italodance: no idea - I am not maemo expert |
| 08:27.37 | FunkyPenguin | so i take it follow the wiki at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html ? |
| 08:28.42 | hrw | probably |
| 08:29.28 | Spakman | pupnik: I don't understand what you mean. The title area of an *un*-maximised app? |
| 08:29.48 | pupnik | i may be using wrong terms sorry |
| 08:30.09 | Spakman | pupnik: what do you mean by "title area"? |
| 08:30.58 | pupnik | http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/gnocl/doc/hello4.jpg |
| 08:31.13 | pupnik | tapping on helloS.tcl - Hello world brings up the menu |
| 08:31.19 | MangoFusion | who needs the source when they can disassemble and read ARM> ;) |
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| 08:31.34 | pupnik | in a regular gtk app, the menus 'file, edit' etc appear in the app window itself |
| 08:32.06 | Spakman | pupnik: ah, that's what I thought. Strange request, my app is already Hildonized. Thanks a lot. |
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| 08:37.10 | Spakman | does anyone know how to make my scrollbars wider, a la Modest? |
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| 08:45.17 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 08:53.35 | Spakman | can someone with an N810 please post the output of /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 08:54.52 | Spakman | I'm hoping that checking there is a good way to sniff if my application is running on an Internet Tablet or not. |
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| 08:55.42 | pupnik | bon dia AD-N770 |
| 08:55.47 | Netochka | Hey, does anyone know how to install packages to the nokia n810 if you know the repository and everything? I just want to do like 'apt-get' but I don't know how? |
| 08:56.23 | Netochka | I want to install the hildonmm-dev and hildon-fmmm-dev because my program uses it but I don't know how to install these to the actual device... |
| 08:57.00 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/975095 Spakman |
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| 08:57.44 | pupnik | Netochka: apt-get works |
| 08:57.59 | pupnik | the -dev should not be installed to the device |
| 08:58.47 | Netochka | yeah, sorry, just the actual lib, but when I try and do apt-get update it says "unable to lock the list directory' |
| 08:59.02 | pupnik | do you have the application manager open? |
| 08:59.17 | pupnik | it should not be |
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| 09:00.22 | Netochka | no, it's not open |
| 09:00.27 | pupnik | are you root? |
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| 09:01.40 | Netochka | no, how do you become root on the device? |
| 09:02.37 | pupnik | i did it by installing ssh client and server and ssh-ing to root |
| 09:03.35 | solmumaha | or install becomeroot or easyroot on the device |
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| 09:26.08 | FunkyPenguin | how do i get access as root on os2008 on n800? |
| 09:27.10 | Blafasel | We need a factoid in a bot for that question ;) |
| 09:28.27 | Blafasel | FunkyPenguin: SSH or installing one of the specific utilities (easyroot/becomeroot) should work |
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| 09:28.53 | FunkyPenguin | Blafasel: would be handy as i have tried to follow items here and there on it with no luck |
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| 09:35.19 | Italodance | hrw are u there? it is solved :D |
| 09:37.20 | eichi | hello, i have problems with the display light of the n800 |
| 09:37.29 | eichi | it get black |
| 09:37.35 | eichi | allways light on |
| 09:38.24 | hrw | Italodance: grats |
| 09:40.20 | Italodance | :D |
| 09:40.49 | Italodance | hrw read my experience : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166152#post166152 |
| 09:40.50 | Italodance | :D |
| 09:41.46 | solmumaha | hrw: speaking of your media player problems, want to test xmms2? it has samba transport and you should be able to add media from samba shares without mounting the share |
| 09:41.58 | solmumaha | and you can create playlists etc |
| 09:42.40 | Italodance | solmumaha xmms2 has any icon for menu? |
| 09:43.24 | Italodance | i installed it but can't find it nowhere,so went for x-term and start it there but that's very ugly there!???? that's the only way for play? |
| 09:44.05 | solmumaha | yes, i quickly hildonized gxmms2 |
| 09:44.13 | FunkyPenguin | Blafasel: ok thanks |
| 09:44.22 | solmumaha | but it only allows you to add local files via gui |
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| 09:44.38 | Italodance | solmumaha can u reply me? |
| 09:44.57 | solmumaha | so you need to add them from command line, but you only need to do it once, it builds a sqlite database from your media |
| 09:46.19 | FunkyPenguin | Blafasel: neither of those are showing up in app manager, i have red pill mode enabled |
| 09:46.52 | hrw | solmumaha: xmms2? |
| 09:47.14 | Italodance | FunkyPenguin try again |
| 09:47.14 | solmumaha | hrw: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 09:53.48 | Spakman | can someone with an N810 please post the output of /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 09:56.27 | Blafasel | sry, no way to network with my N810 right now |
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| 09:56.56 | Blafasel | Hmm.. I could redirect it to a file and get it via bluetooth/usb though, if it is important? |
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| 09:57.37 | hrw | Machine: Nokia RX-44 is what you seek for? |
| 10:00.45 | hrw | Spakman: my n810 require charging |
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| 10:01.37 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, if you are there and don't mind me asking, does the xmms fmradio plugin work for the N800 tuner? :) |
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| 10:03.26 | solmumaha | Spakman: 12:08 < pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/975095 Spakman |
| 10:05.20 | FunkyPenguin | Italodance: tried and still nothing, i take it it isnt in maemo extras on os2008? |
| 10:06.08 | Spakman | solmumaha: thank you very much! |
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| 10:07.33 | Spakman | I'm looking for the best way to detect if my script is running on the tablet or not - any ideas? |
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| 10:08.57 | hrw | Spakman: what for? |
| 10:09.49 | hrw | Spakman: ugly way: open /proc/cpuinfo and check for "Nokia (770|N800|RX-44|RX-48)" |
| 10:10.01 | hrw | but I do not see what for such check is needed |
| 10:10.05 | Spakman | I've got a Ruby Gtk/Hildon application that I run on both my tablet and desktop. I need to know what libraries to load |
| 10:10.21 | Spakman | (that is, either gtk2 or hildon) |
| 10:10.43 | Spakman | hrw: that was the ugly way I could see too (uname didn't work). |
| 10:11.01 | Spakman | thanks a lot! |
| 10:11.04 | hrw | Spakman: let me guess... you do not packaged it? |
| 10:11.48 | hrw | heh maemo.... |
| 10:12.16 | Spakman | hrw: no, I have packaged it. |
| 10:12.26 | hrw | people doing ugly hacks in software on runtime instead of providing packages FOR DEVICE so no check is needed.. |
| 10:12.52 | hrw | it is like mplayer-maemo which check does maemo package is started on maemo device |
| 10:13.06 | hrw | where there is no other maemo devices then nokia tablets |
| 10:13.16 | Jaffa | Spakman: it's also better to check capabilities rather than devices - i.e. try loading Hildon libraries, cos Hildon runs on more than just Nokia Internet Tablets. If it doesn't work, do your other thing |
| 10:13.46 | Spakman | Jaffa, that's a *much* better idea. |
| 10:13.53 | Spakman | I'll do that. |
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| 10:16.24 | hrw | so when someone make kernel say "Nokia N810" instead of "Nokia RX-44" in /proc/cpuinfo I wonder how many apps will break |
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| 10:23.35 | FunkyPenguin | anyone know if the file system on OS2008 supports colons (:) in file names? |
| 10:24.46 | kulve | touch foo:bar |
| 10:24.49 | kulve | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 16 07:13 foo:bar |
| 10:25.09 | kulve | but I don't know how it works, if you use it through the hildon FM |
| 10:26.13 | FunkyPenguin | im trying to use it on the cli via an app, and python barfs at me. when i ask the author of the app the only suggestion he had was that |
| 10:26.29 | FunkyPenguin | i'll give something a kick and hope for the best :) |
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| 10:52.52 | hrw | FunkyPenguin: os2008 supports it. vfat maybe not |
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| 11:09.10 | FunkyPenguin | hrw: thanks |
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| 11:38.14 | mbuf | is there any documentation on how to test/debug GPS on the N810? Control panel and GPS location does only search, but, doesn't get any details; Should it be configured? |
| 11:41.23 | kulve | mbuf: go outdoors in a location where you have a good view to the sky and wait 15mins. It should get the fix then. |
| 11:42.30 | anders_ | maemo mapper shows sattelite information. |
| 11:42.34 | mbuf | kulve, ohh! so if we have to use it indoors? |
| 11:43.37 | kulve | mbuf: usually even the good GPS devices doesn't work indoors |
| 11:43.43 | mbuf | kulve, ok |
| 11:43.44 | kulve | depends on the indoors of course.. |
| 11:44.00 | kulve | s,doesn't,don't, |
| 11:45.07 | kulve | mbuf: it might get fix if you put it right next to a window and there's a good view to the sky from that point |
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| 11:45.26 | mbuf | kulve, ok, will try it, thanks |
| 11:45.53 | kulve | but it might take easily over 10mins.. |
| 11:46.38 | mbuf | kulve, i can wait |
| 11:47.08 | Blafasel | Patience is a virtue ;) |
| 11:47.26 | eichi_ | powerlaunch app su**s |
| 11:48.05 | mbuf | N810 is really cool, compared to the N800 |
| 11:49.15 | Navi | It's about the same |
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| 11:52.23 | lcuk | apart from the 810 has a keyboard and a screen which works outdoors and a square shape and a part time gps and is 10 more on the model number ... and uses smaller memory card ... (tho the dual slots on 800 are good) ... and comes with 2gb onboard |
| 11:52.46 | lcuk | but other than that its the same |
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| 11:53.33 | Navi | http://xkcd.com/ <- N810 should come with one of these instead |
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| 12:09.34 | skibur | what is better than AVI compresssion? |
| 12:09.42 | skibur | sss |
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| 12:11.51 | Italodance | hi |
| 12:13.00 | MangoFusion | better than AVI? errm |
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| 12:20.13 | jott | mkv "compression"? ;> |
| 12:22.19 | aquatix | Navi: lol |
| 12:22.23 | aquatix | gotta love xkcd |
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| 12:54.51 | hrw | skibur: since when AVI means compression? |
| 12:55.16 | skibur | sorry |
| 12:55.22 | skibur | my bad |
| 12:56.07 | skibur | Since I was compressing my DVD Movies to 650mb, I thought AVI was the compressing instead of a format |
| 12:58.14 | hrw | avi is container |
| 12:58.26 | skibur | yeah, video and audio |
| 12:58.31 | hrw | inside of avi you can have uncompressed bitmaps + pcm sound |
| 12:58.45 | skibur | I see |
| 12:58.55 | hrw | you can also put h.264 with 7.1 sound |
| 12:59.10 | sp3000 | and pizza |
| 12:59.15 | hrw | avi, iff, matroska, ogg are containers |
| 12:59.21 | skibur | hum... it will hence my the file larger correct? |
| 12:59.28 | skibur | make |
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| 13:01.13 | arodriguez | hello |
| 13:02.14 | skibur | is ogg a better container than avi? |
| 13:02.45 | arodriguez | is ogg a container? |
| 13:06.14 | kulve | it's a container yes |
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| 13:08.08 | arodriguez | the container for ogg files was not ogm? |
| 13:08.19 | bilboed-tp | no, ogg is a container format |
| 13:08.40 | arodriguez | ok |
| 13:09.22 | kulve | oggs often contain vorbis (audio), theora (video), speex (speech audio), flac (uncompressed audio) |
| 13:09.25 | kulve | etc |
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| 13:10.07 | arodriguez | i've just read |
| 13:10.52 | arodriguez | i suppose that i was mistaken ogg and the vorbis audio format |
| 13:12.39 | FunkyPenguin | how would one format a memory card to ext2 on OS2008? i take it the file manager always formats to vfat? |
| 13:16.31 | Blafasel | mkfs.ext2 ? |
| 13:16.50 | Blafasel | Not sure if it is part of the base distribution, but.. |
| 13:17.07 | arodriguez | i think mkfs.ext2 is not in the base dist... |
| 13:18.08 | skibur | hum... what needs to be done to play avi files on a standard DVD player? |
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| 13:21.21 | Veggen | skibur: A standard dvd player? like the ones you buy in a hi-fi shop? |
| 13:21.43 | skibur | yes |
| 13:21.46 | skibur | walmart |
| 13:21.57 | skibur | generic |
| 13:22.05 | FunkyPenguin | well i formatted the card using my laptop and filemanager complains it is unable to open it |
| 13:22.52 | Veggen | skibur: uh. not those you have in your computer? |
| 13:23.04 | skibur | correct |
| 13:23.10 | skibur | the home DVD players |
| 13:23.30 | Veggen | oh. Well. What you need, is for the vendor of the DVD player to add support for it. |
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| 13:24.22 | Veggen | can't do it yourself. unless you replace the firmware, of course, but most of those boxes aren't open/documented enough for that. |
| 13:26.11 | arodriguez | anyoen knows what is the process that loads the profiles stored in /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP ? I've a script to add profiles automatically, but I have to reboot the device everytime I want it to update the list of the stored connections. |
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| 13:48.17 | lopz | hi |
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| 13:54.14 | chpo_work | does someone know if the xorg server in maemo is a customized version of X or if it is a standard version ( same as found on anongit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver )? |
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| 14:06.51 | inz | chpo, it's a Kdrive derivative |
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| 14:08.15 | chpo_work | inz: is it very diferent from Xorg, and from kdrive? |
| 14:10.16 | Navi | kdrive's a low memory X server |
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| 14:11.01 | Navi | not that different |
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| 14:14.53 | TuxProbe | hiya, im using scratchbox and have the need to use mplayer binaries BUT |
| 14:15.08 | TuxProbe | i get this error from libosso: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libosso.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument |
| 14:15.17 | TuxProbe | anyone know of a solution perhaps? |
| 14:17.07 | TuxProbe | if built from scratch, the compile-error is: dsputil.c:3514: internal compiler error: in assign_stack_temp_for_type, at function.c:658 |
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| 14:21.01 | Navi | armel or i386 binaries in the armel or i386 target? |
| 14:22.07 | hrw | Kdrive is built from same source as normal X.org server |
| 14:22.36 | hrw | TuxProbe: redhat based distro? |
| 14:22.56 | TuxProbe | its scratchbox with debian toolchain |
| 14:23.13 | TuxProbe | and with armel as target |
| 14:23.59 | hrw | and you run it on? |
| 14:24.21 | TuxProbe | just issuing 'mplayer', no arguments and i get the error |
| 14:24.38 | hrw | common problem when scratchbox is running under beos |
| 14:27.37 | TuxProbe | i c.. but i'd like for mplayer to work :) |
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| 14:52.28 | TuxProbe | ok, i can build it for x86 it seems - will just have to use that |
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| 14:52.46 | Italodance | oh |
| 14:53.00 | Italodance | SKYPE |
| 14:53.12 | Italodance | Make your first call to a phone for free. WeÂ’ve given you enough free credit to call a friend in over 30 destinations in the world |
| 14:53.13 | Italodance | :D |
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| 15:22.41 | TuxProbe | 36/50 = 0 hmm dont we do floats well? :) |
| 15:25.45 | TuxProbe | then i dont get this: 36/50 = 0 |
| 15:26.07 | TuxProbe | when hildon lib uses floats in for instance m_banner->set_fraction(0.2); |
| 15:27.10 | mgedmin | welcome to C |
| 15:27.51 | TuxProbe | ok, its possible to represent a float - but no calculations on it |
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| 15:35.40 | TuxProbe | oh, nvm |
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| 15:36.23 | qwerty12 | Hehe, is the preempt (spelling) broken in the N800's kernel? |
| 15:36.59 | johnx | I don't think so. Why do you say that? |
| 15:37.02 | qwerty12 | I just flashed a kernel with it on and it shuts down while execing S60af-base-apps |
| 15:37.19 | johnx | did you rebuild the modules to go with it? |
| 15:37.22 | qwerty12 | Also fanoush says that it is enabled in 770 kernel but disabled on N800's |
| 15:37.27 | qwerty12 | Nope, eek |
| 15:37.46 | qwerty12 | I've just been make menuconfig, make and flasher. |
| 15:37.46 | johnx | hmm...makes sense I guess. I tend to find preempt to be counter-productive on slower systems |
| 15:38.11 | johnx | I flipped on some debugging options once and ended up not able to load any modules. :) |
| 15:38.15 | johnx | been there, done that :D |
| 15:38.39 | qwerty12 | Lol, I'm bored so I'm in kernel hacking mode (yes, I'm a sad person) :D |
| 15:39.08 | johnx | heh...I do that too. I wanted to run Intel's powertop but I didn't quite care enough to replace all the modules |
| 15:39.39 | johnx | looks at the kernel .config |
| 15:39.58 | johnx | which says: # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set |
| 15:40.14 | qwerty12 | I did enable some other options though, so I'm restoring from a tarball of a working kernel I have and trying again :) |
| 15:40.16 | qwerty12 | Yep :) |
| 15:41.15 | qwerty12 | I'm interested because one person says that on 770 video playing can be a bit jerky and fanoush's says it's the preempt option. |
| 15:41.21 | johnx | anyways, having preempt on can reduce latency for some apps, but it results in stuff being slower overall |
| 15:41.44 | qwerty12 | ah, ok. thanks for that info |
| 15:42.04 | johnx | dig through the kernel mailing lists for more stuff. overall it's fairly understandable |
| 15:43.58 | red-zack | mh |
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| 15:48.07 | towo | tips his hat to the crowd. |
| 15:48.22 | qwerty12 | Yep, something in af-base-apps is causing the N800 to reboot with just PREEMPT option enabled. |
| 15:48.32 | qwerty12 | My N800 gets as far as execing that. |
| 15:48.34 | johnx | hi towo |
| 15:49.27 | johnx | qwerty12, can you manage to copy dmesg to somewhere before it dies? maybe see if it's able to load any modules? |
| 15:50.42 | qwerty12 | I have a syslog daemon running but disabled. I can flash standard kernel and enable syslog and reflash preempt kernel and boot and reflash preempt kernel and see syslog output. |
| 15:51.09 | qwerty12 | "and boot and reflash preempt kernel and see syslog output." reflash standard 8-) |
| 15:51.24 | johnx | I was just thinking run dmesg 1> /foo 2> /foo somewhere in an init script |
| 15:51.45 | qwerty12 | Nice idea :). I'll try it out. |
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| 16:03.20 | qwerty12 | Ok, I've reenabled syslog and I've set up dmesg to dump output to a file. I've got fanoush's initfs so I can mount rootfs over usb & telnet and take a look at dumps. |
| 16:03.28 | qwerty12 | Now I need to flash kernel. |
| 16:03.46 | johnx | just tell the kernel to run |
| 16:03.49 | johnx | no need to flash it |
| 16:03.59 | qwerty12 | Oh, yes, thanks. |
| 16:04.04 | johnx | :) |
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| 16:06.09 | qwerty12 | hehe, I've gone and messed up my N800. I'm gonna have to reflash with keesj's info on mamona wiki. http://pastebin.ca/975465 |
| 16:06.52 | qwerty12 | No wait, I can flash kernels, just not boot from them. |
| 16:06.54 | johnx | I think that looks about right |
| 16:09.12 | qwerty12 | Shitzors, I managed to fully boot this time with kernel, It only rebooted after hildon desktop was running. But you are right, I do notice quite a bit of lag. I'll try running with preempt for fun :) |
| 16:11.40 | towo | frowns at the backup feature |
| 16:11.49 | towo | Doesn't export repositories, does it? |
| 16:12.00 | johnx | it doesn't? |
| 16:12.06 | qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure it does. |
| 16:12.10 | towo | Mhm. |
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| 16:12.17 | qwerty12 | Check the backup file when you have made it. |
| 16:12.17 | towo | scratches his head. |
| 16:12.21 | qwerty12 | It's in a zip file. |
| 16:12.53 | mgedmin | towo: what OS version? |
| 16:12.54 | towo | At least I'm running into problem with some apps (like maemo-mapper etc) (IIRC from the maemo extras rep) that apt fails to install again. |
| 16:13.03 | mgedmin | old versions didn't back up repositories; new versions do |
| 16:13.10 | towo | Just flashed from N810 release to N810 current |
| 16:13.10 | mgedmin | although the restore appears to be somewhat buggy |
| 16:13.30 | mgedmin | e.g. IIRC it did not remember that I had enabled the extras repo |
| 16:13.35 | mgedmin | so I had to go and re-enable it again |
| 16:13.39 | mgedmin | or something like that |
| 16:13.56 | towo | Seems like what's happening here |
| 16:14.05 | mgedmin | no, wait, that's not it... I think my memory card was out of space so it couldn't install anything |
| 16:14.11 | mgedmin | something |
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| 16:16.08 | towo | Jup, maemo extras was disabled |
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| 16:18.56 | mgedmin | then maybe I had both bugs :) |
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| 16:19.19 | mgedmin | I remember that I had to repeat the 'restore applications' step five times or so until I got all of them reinstalled |
| 16:19.38 | qwerty111 | mgedmin, same here. App manager would keep closing. |
| 16:20.16 | johnx | yeah, I gave up on their backup tool :/ |
| 16:20.18 | mgedmin | mine just gave me detail-free bland error messages and didn't close |
| 16:20.41 | qwerty111 | I just kept getting internal errors :\ |
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| 16:21.12 | phunguy | hey all |
| 16:21.29 | phunguy | question about windows shared folders on the n810 |
| 16:21.40 | phunguy | all i seem to see are the shared smb fileshares on my linux boxes |
| 16:21.48 | phunguy | can't see any of the windows ones :/ |
| 16:22.02 | johnx | it doesn't show password protected shares, AFAIK |
| 16:22.10 | phunguy | yeah |
| 16:22.21 | phunguy | the windows shares are protected |
| 16:22.23 | phunguy | aren't |
| 16:22.25 | phunguy | * |
| 16:23.37 | mgedmin | phunguy: fwiw I see both kinds |
| 16:23.48 | phunguy | dangit |
| 16:23.49 | mgedmin | well, that's imprecise |
| 16:24.01 | phunguy | also |
| 16:24.03 | mgedmin | I see publicly available shares from both windows xp and linux servers |
| 16:24.08 | mgedmin | on my n810 |
| 16:24.13 | phunguy | i'm only seeing shares that are on my hamachi network |
| 16:24.23 | phunguy | :/ maybe if i turn it off i'll see local windows shares |
| 16:24.24 | phunguy | but |
| 16:24.33 | phunguy | the windows boxes are on the hamachi network too :/ |
| 16:24.58 | johnx | also, the included smb stuff is pretty flakey |
| 16:25.32 | johnx | hopefully they'll clean it up soon. If you're not afraid of the command line and a text editor you could use smbnetfs |
| 16:25.50 | phunguy | not afraid at all |
| 16:26.08 | phunguy | i just ssh'd in to my n810 and was going to try and mount it from command line |
| 16:26.09 | mgedmin | the flakeyness I noticed was a magic disappearing directory on the server |
| 16:26.17 | johnx | phunguy, Do you know what fuse is? |
| 16:26.17 | mgedmin | that was there on the server but that n810 didn't see |
| 16:26.23 | mgedmin | despite seeing all of its siblings |
| 16:26.29 | phunguy | johnx no |
| 16:26.31 | phunguy | .... |
| 16:26.32 | phunguy | ? |
| 16:26.36 | mgedmin | I don't remember how I managed to trick it into finally seeing it |
| 16:26.45 | johnx | file system in user space, it's what smbnetfs is based on |
| 16:26.48 | johnx | let me find the packages |
| 16:26.55 | phunguy | k |
| 16:27.25 | phunguy | my linux (debian boxes) are running smbfs shares that my n810 can see |
| 16:27.29 | phunguy | but they are at remote locations |
| 16:27.52 | phunguy | i'm trying to locate my windows box to test wifi divx streaming |
| 16:28.00 | phunguy | ^ anyone know if that works well/ |
| 16:28.33 | johnx | should work fine. adds a bit of overhead |
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| 16:28.40 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 16:28.49 | johnx | hi |
| 16:28.52 | qwerty111 | Hi |
| 16:29.08 | mgedmin | mp3 playing from smb shares works pretty well (except that the n810 gets noticeably warm) |
| 16:29.10 | Khertan | Is the web applet to push debian packages in extras-devel repository is still developped ? |
| 16:29.30 | Khertan | no news about it |
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| 16:31.07 | MangoFusion | mgedmin: sounds great. mp3 player and a portable heater at the same time! ;) |
| 16:31.28 | qwerty111 | Where can I buy one? |
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| 16:33.02 | qwerty111 | johnx, all I could dump from the preempt kernel was this syslog : http://pastebin.ca/975500 |
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| 16:35.19 | qwerty111 | All I can make out is that mce is messing up. I wonder what would happen if I used powerlaunch instead... |
| 16:36.04 | fysa | phunguy, check out Tiversity |
| 16:36.15 | johnx | and upnp |
| 16:36.18 | fysa | Tiversity + Video Center + mplayer should work well |
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| 16:36.31 | fysa | as well as mediaserv + video center + mplayer anyway |
| 16:37.14 | johnx | qwerty111, if you manage to run lsmod > /output I bet you'll see that no modules get loaded. wlancond seems to be upset. I bet that's cause it can't find wlan0 |
| 16:37.37 | Italodance | hi johnx |
| 16:37.47 | Italodance | my problem is solved :D |
| 16:37.54 | johnx | great |
| 16:38.09 | qwerty111 | Hmm, "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled." Sounds a bit ominous. |
| 16:38.12 | phunguy | fysa> i've run tiversity before |
| 16:38.20 | phunguy | i would much rather find the windows shares |
| 16:38.28 | fysa | basically, here's my problem-- |
| 16:38.38 | fysa | If I copy a divx to my device, it plays mostly fine with mplayer |
| 16:38.47 | fysa | but the overhead of streaming causes that same divx to skip |
| 16:38.55 | fysa | (extra CPU usage on the N800) |
| 16:39.06 | fysa | so now for streaming, I use mediaserv to transcode in real-time down a bit |
| 16:39.11 | fysa | to cover that overhead |
| 16:39.37 | fysa | much of what I was trying to watch was right on-the-edge, performance wise |
| 16:39.46 | fysa | and it lead to much frustration ;) |
| 16:39.57 | phunguy | so now you use tiversity |
| 16:40.00 | phunguy | ? |
| 16:40.01 | fysa | so keep that in mind, streaming smb is good and worth trying |
| 16:40.15 | fysa | but real-time transcoding may be the only way to get everything working consistently |
| 16:40.28 | fysa | yeah. I use mediaserv, which is similar but for Linux |
| 16:41.04 | fysa | http://www.n800blog.com/blog.aspx?id=63&story=Mediaserv_0.04 |
| 16:41.07 | fysa | whoops. |
| 16:41.08 | fysa | http://www.n800blog.com/blog.aspx?id=63&story=Mediaserv_0.04 |
| 16:41.21 | fysa | "Video Center" lets you subscribe to RSS feeds of videos. |
| 16:41.26 | fysa | so you would setup the feed with tversity |
| 16:41.29 | fysa | then subscribe with Video Center |
| 16:41.35 | fysa | then configure Video Center to play with mplayer |
| 16:41.39 | fysa | mplayer has the best playback performance |
| 16:42.09 | fysa | then you load up Video Center, see a "My Videos" feed and just hit play. |
| 16:42.11 | fysa | it works pretty well. |
| 16:42.22 | phunguy | ok |
| 16:42.25 | fysa | and because you're transcoding already, you could always set it up for ultra-lowbandwidth -- i.e., youj're out of town |
| 16:42.32 | fysa | you can stream to your hotel room or the airport.. |
| 16:42.45 | phunguy | that would be good for divx streaming.. but on top.. i'd still like smb axx |
| 16:42.55 | fysa | anyway, after many weekends and hours of fighting.. |
| 16:42.58 | fysa | right |
| 16:43.18 | Khertan | I do some python applet and make it available to all and some user find the time to complain about that i must make a repo ... blablabla ... all of this because they haven't install extras-devel repository ... |
| 16:43.21 | fysa | I think someone makes a real smbfs kernel module |
| 16:43.44 | fysa | http://74.86.202.247/forums/showthread.php?t=11836&page=3 |
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| 16:43.54 | Khertan | i take more times to upload and send it to maemo.org than to dev ... |
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| 16:44.31 | fysa | this will let you mount the windows boxes as a /mnt/mymedia |
| 16:44.36 | Khertan | this don't enjoy me to do do it next times ! |
| 16:44.53 | Khertan | i think i ll give thing for me ... |
| 16:45.02 | Khertan | or make it shareware |
| 16:45.05 | fysa | :) |
| 16:46.43 | Webstrand | I have just bought a used nokia, it has OS 2008 on it, and the password for the root user isnt 'rootme'. I have access to /etc/passwd, but i'm not sure what to do now to recover/change the root password. |
| 16:47.01 | Khertan | flash it ... |
| 16:47.07 | red-zack | flash it |
| 16:47.10 | qwerty111 | becomeroot, easyroot, rootsh , openssh are all ways of getting in w/out password |
| 16:47.11 | mgedmin | Webstrand: OS2008 has no root password out of the box |
| 16:47.14 | mgedmin | and flashing wont' help |
| 16:47.15 | red-zack | or try gainroot |
| 16:47.18 | mgedmin | install openssh-server |
| 16:47.20 | qwerty111 | then just run passwd |
| 16:47.26 | mgedmin | it will ask you to define a root password during install time |
| 16:47.35 | red-zack | or try gainroot and then try passwd |
| 16:47.56 | mgedmin | yeah, gainroot is an alternative if you want to muck with usb cables, flasher and --enable-rd-mode |
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| 16:48.07 | mgedmin | dislikes mucking with cables |
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| 16:48.21 | tank-man | you dont need cables for gainroot |
| 16:48.33 | red-zack | dl it, run it |
| 16:48.35 | tank-man | just edit it to not check for R+D mode |
| 16:49.06 | qwerty111 | But you need to be root to edit that file? |
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| 16:49.08 | Webstrand | well the password isnt blank, and i cant login w/ ssh without the password |
| 16:49.27 | pumpkin|zz | is there a way to open a stream (tcp-like) socket over a bluetooth link? |
| 16:49.44 | Webstrand | well, thanks i'll re-flash it |
| 16:49.53 | johnx | Webstrand, when you install openssh-server it will prompt you to change the password |
| 16:50.18 | johnx | I think the root account on OS2008 may be locked, ie the password doesn't match anything |
| 16:50.35 | Webstrand | i used dropbear does that make a difference? |
| 16:50.52 | mgedmin | no password != blank password; I meant it in the sense of 'account is locked' |
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| 16:50.54 | johnx | yeah, the dropbear install won't prompt you to change the password |
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| 16:51.00 | mgedmin | dropbear doesn't have the convenience dialog for you |
| 16:51.09 | pumpkin|zz | I found something called BTHPROTO_RFCOMM in winsock, but haven't been able to find anything similar for linux/maemo |
| 16:51.29 | mgedmin | installing becomeroot is another alternative |
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| 16:52.18 | Webstrand | become rood didnt work, command not found |
| 16:52.24 | Webstrand | become root* |
| 16:52.40 | tank-man | try sudo gainroot |
| 16:53.09 | red-zack | its the third time i told you, just use gainroot.... |
| 16:53.16 | tank-man | then sudo make me a sandwich |
| 16:53.33 | red-zack | me too please |
| 16:53.44 | Webstrand | it says "Eneable RD mode if you want to break your device." |
| 16:53.55 | pumpkin | anyone have any idea on how to do what I need? :) |
| 16:54.12 | johnx | pumpkin, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:54.33 | pumpkin | open a socket over bluetooth |
| 16:54.37 | red-zack | pumpkin: nobody know what ASgsdfgsdgS is about ;) |
| 16:54.49 | pumpkin | a stream socket, ideally |
| 16:55.06 | red-zack | mh, dinner, afk |
| 16:55.12 | Khertan | bye |
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| 16:55.27 | johnx | Webstrand, I think he means install the gainroot package |
| 16:55.32 | johnx | pumpkin, like bluetooth PAN? |
| 16:56.01 | pumpkin | johnx: yeah, I've found a blurb on google on how to do it on windows, but haven't been able to find similar documentation for anything else |
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| 16:56.40 | johnx | I don't know maybe google for: bluetooth pan linux |
| 16:56.50 | johnx | then pickup the bluetooth pan package for maemo from the itt forums |
| 16:57.14 | pumpkin | ah, I was looking at it wrong |
| 16:57.41 | s33ds | heya, any hildon-api gurus inhere? |
| 16:57.46 | pumpkin | PAN just sets up ip over bluetooth, so I wouldn't have to do my code any differently... I was thinking I needed a special kind of socket/address family or something :) |
| 16:57.47 | pumpkin | thanks |
| 16:57.55 | johnx | isn't rfcomm a serial thing? |
| 16:59.00 | pumpkin | yeah, I guess it's possible to open a socket to another bluetooth device in windows without having the ip layer |
| 16:59.31 | johnx | yeah, there's lots of interesting non-IP stuff you can do over bluetooth. but PAN seems nice and convenient |
| 16:59.48 | pumpkin | yeah, I think I'll stick with that, thanks :) simplifies my code and makes it more generic, anyway |
| 16:59.53 | johnx | sure :) |
| 17:01.00 | pumpkin | oh it says the maemo PAN needs OS 2008 |
| 17:01.09 | pumpkin | can I install that on my n800? I'm still running something old :P |
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| 17:01.18 | johnx | of course :) |
| 17:01.25 | pumpkin | trembles |
| 17:01.31 | pumpkin | will I need a whole new scratchbox installation? |
| 17:01.37 | johnx | er...yeah |
| 17:01.44 | pumpkin | dies |
| 17:01.46 | pumpkin | okay :) |
| 17:01.46 | pumpkin | thanks |
| 17:01.55 | johnx | but OS2008 is waaay nicer |
| 17:02.03 | pumpkin | sweet |
| 17:02.08 | johnx | even the CPU goes faster :D |
| 17:02.17 | pumpkin | nice :) how much faster? :o |
| 17:02.26 | pumpkin | I'll keep that as my light at the end of the tunnel |
| 17:02.27 | johnx | (honestly, they clock the CPU up from 320MHz to 400MHz) |
| 17:02.35 | pumpkin | while struggling with scratchbox |
| 17:02.37 | pumpkin | cool |
| 17:03.10 | johnx | yeah, there have been a lot of neat apps lately. completely worth it. Are you on Debian/Ubuntu? |
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| 17:03.35 | pumpkin | I can be, I have a VM for it |
| 17:04.05 | johnx | if you want to do things in a vm you can grab the prepared vmware scratchbox image |
| 17:04.10 | pumpkin | ooh |
| 17:04.32 | pumpkin | actually, is there an apt package for ubuntu that just installs maemo and scratchbox for me? |
| 17:04.52 | pumpkin | because I have another premade vm image I'd like to install it on |
| 17:04.56 | s33ds | im wondering, the hildon_banner_show_animation, whether the 'animation_name' parameter is a filename or stock-item-name? |
| 17:05.01 | pumpkin | that has another development kid I need for the same project |
| 17:05.38 | johnx | well the nokia scratchbox installer uses .debs, but there are some stuff it wants to install with a script instead of as a .deb |
| 17:05.49 | pumpkin | ah |
| 17:06.18 | johnx | anyways, it's not *that bad* |
| 17:06.21 | pumpkin | :) |
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| 17:06.38 | johnx | everyone seems to hate it but I've never had a lot of pain from it, just a lot of waiting as it downloads tons of stuff |
| 17:06.50 | pumpkin | I just didn't like the old 3.1->3.2 thingy |
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| 17:06.56 | pumpkin | I'm assuming that I'd grab 4.0 now |
| 17:07.15 | johnx | yeah, or 4.0.1 |
| 17:07.27 | pumpkin | whaa, maemo.org/downloads gives me a big error lol |
| 17:07.36 | johnx | (or is 4.0.1 an upgrade only...I don't remember) |
| 17:08.45 | johnx | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_chinook_sdk.html |
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| 17:13.43 | mwaldron | will a reflash using nokia's windows loader restore my ability to boot from internal flash (i appear to have broke that ability while trying to get booting from a card to work. I can boot from teh card, but I can't boot if I remove it) |
| 17:14.09 | johnx | yes |
| 17:14.32 | mwaldron | and I assume it will remove my ability to boot from a card, correct? |
| 17:14.53 | johnx | yes, until you reinstall the bootmenu |
| 17:14.58 | mwaldron | ok |
| 17:15.03 | mwaldron | I'm not sure i need the bootmenu :) |
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| 17:15.24 | mwaldron | i'm giving up on VPN, and playing with that was the main reason for teh botmenu |
| 17:17.08 | tank-man | try this command from the device "chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device flash" to boot from flash |
| 17:17.26 | tank-man | i got that from http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/ |
| 17:19.39 | mwaldron | i think i've messed this up enough I justneed to start from scratch |
| 17:19.48 | mwaldron | it's not the device to learn teh underpinnings of linux with :) |
| 17:20.00 | johnx | it really isn't. :) |
| 17:20.42 | mwaldron | if it just supported pptp out of the box i'd be estatic. it does everythine else i need, i just need support to talk to my home (and work) network |
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| 17:21.05 | johnx | didn't someone get pptp/mppe working? |
| 17:21.17 | mwaldron | yes, requires kernel hacks and lots of modules |
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| 17:21.34 | mwaldron | I switched it to boot from mmc so i'd have a fallback when i fucked that up. which i did :P |
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| 17:21.40 | mwaldron | then realized i can't boot internal :) |
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| 17:21.57 | mwaldron | not a very good fallback |
| 17:22.37 | mwaldron | i hate being a newb |
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| 17:23.19 | johnx | we were all newbs at everything once :) |
| 17:23.21 | mwaldron | i'm very nearly ready to sell it and get a m1330 |
| 17:23.58 | johnx | I'm pretty sure there are some fairly embarassing postings to a mailing-list or forum that I made when I was just starting out with Linux |
| 17:24.24 | johnx | yeah, the N8x0 isn't for everyone |
| 17:24.44 | mwaldron | i can deal with it, i had it all awesomly setup |
| 17:24.53 | mwaldron | then i embarked down the vpn path |
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| 17:25.21 | johnx | so you have everything all nice and setup on internal flash, but you can't boot it? |
| 17:25.46 | johnx | try that command that tank-man said. you'll only need to run it once to know if it works |
| 17:25.48 | mwaldron | well when i decided to boot from mmc i lost all that |
| 17:25.58 | mwaldron | i did try it, it gave no output and i still couldn't boot |
| 17:26.03 | johnx | ah :/ |
| 17:26.06 | mgedmin | does not trust the internal flash |
| 17:26.07 | mwaldron | it just goesi nto a reset loop |
| 17:26.40 | johnx | can you still boot from the sd card? |
| 17:26.45 | mwaldron | yes |
| 17:26.49 | johnx | hmm |
| 17:27.04 | mwaldron | and when the sd card is in i can boot from fash in the boot manager |
| 17:27.24 | mwaldron | but when the sd card is out and i select flash from teh menu, i get reset loop |
| 17:27.30 | johnx | O_o |
| 17:27.43 | mwaldron | i'm trying to get it to boot usb mode for sw update now :) that's even proving difficult |
| 17:28.10 | johnx | want to pastebin your /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf for me to look at? |
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| 17:28.54 | mwaldron | that's ok |
| 17:29.18 | mwaldron | i appriciate it, but i'm pretty happy with restoring and setting it up to work more within the parameters it was supposed to work. maybe i'll play a bit with kernels beforE I conf it again |
| 17:29.44 | mwaldron | maybe i'll try ssh tunnel to get to home network :) |
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| 17:29.59 | johnx | those are at least nice because they're all in userspace :) |
| 17:30.04 | mwaldron | yep |
| 17:30.09 | johnx | you can do some really fun stuff too :D |
| 17:30.17 | mwaldron | we use ms vpn here at work too though |
| 17:30.34 | mwaldron | so i'm giving that up which kinda sucks. would be nice to reset users pw's from my pocket :P |
| 17:30.40 | johnx | yeah, I remember trying to get on pptp/mppe networks with my zaurus. not that fun |
| 17:30.53 | mwaldron | i miss palmos |
| 17:31.00 | mwaldron | hell i miss hp200 and newton :P |
| 17:31.30 | johnx | PalmOS had a lot going for it. and I really wish I had a chance to try NewtonOS on a MessagePad |
| 17:31.43 | johnx | but in the end, PalmOS has some pretty big limitations |
| 17:31.54 | mwaldron | I have drawers full of palms still. they're wonderful devices. tehy tried to outgrow their design though. |
| 17:32.19 | mwaldron | misses the frantic evenings of trying to graft a CF card into palmos |
| 17:32.23 | mwaldron | those were fund ays |
| 17:32.24 | mwaldron | days |
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| 17:32.40 | johnx | There's not really room for a PDA that can't surf the web *really well* though |
| 17:32.54 | mwaldron | it's called a umpc :P |
| 17:33.00 | johnx | exactly |
| 17:33.01 | mwaldron | if they get the size down just a little more... |
| 17:33.09 | mwaldron | and of course price is an isue |
| 17:33.10 | mwaldron | issud |
| 17:33.15 | mwaldron | issue |
| 17:33.21 | johnx | even MIDs, UMPSs and NITs are still a pretty niche market I think |
| 17:33.41 | johnx | and will be for a while |
| 17:33.53 | mwaldron | problem is if I get a laptop I want a beast of a machine in a umpc form factor |
| 17:34.13 | mwaldron | so by getting an IT i know it's not going to ever run 5 instances of starcraft2 :P |
| 17:34.18 | mwaldron | so i'm happier overall |
| 17:34.20 | johnx | heh |
| 17:34.33 | johnx | yeah, I'm really happy with my N800 for what it is |
| 17:34.38 | mwaldron | my xps 1710 is a grat machine, but i'm tired of carrying it |
| 17:34.44 | johnx | O_o |
| 17:34.52 | mwaldron | when now a days i use it mostly for rdc and ssh |
| 17:35.01 | mwaldron | and 2 instances of evercrack |
| 17:35.10 | johnx | reminds me of my notebook ("WARNING! HOT! don't put it on your lap") |
| 17:35.21 | mwaldron | heh yep |
| 17:35.50 | mwaldron | there is a reason why the vents glow red.. even with the LEDs off |
| 17:36.05 | johnx | mine weighs 10 freaking pounds. and the CPU gets right up to 95C |
| 17:36.12 | mwaldron | yep, sounds like my 1710 :) |
| 17:36.20 | mwaldron | but what a powerhouse it was (when new) |
| 17:36.28 | johnx | except mine is an old P4 :P |
| 17:36.38 | mwaldron | so what if you need a small nuclear reactor in your backpack to carry it :) |
| 17:36.55 | johnx | anyways, it helps me appreciate my N800 even more |
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| 17:37.03 | mwaldron | yep |
| 17:37.26 | mwaldron | my 810 has been 'broke' with me working on this for 2 weeks now, i kind of missed it |
| 17:37.53 | mwaldron | i'm hoping it works with inotes8 better than inotes6. then i can at least to email for work |
| 17:38.04 | mwaldron | and i won't have to take my notebook to boston next month |
| 17:38.10 | johnx | inotes? |
| 17:38.21 | mwaldron | domino web access client. it's webmail for lotus notes |
| 17:38.25 | johnx | ah |
| 17:38.34 | johnx | you can't get at imap without vpn? |
| 17:38.38 | mwaldron | no |
| 17:38.42 | johnx | pain |
| 17:38.45 | mwaldron | firewall firewall firewall |
| 17:38.51 | johnx | (and paranoia) |
| 17:38.57 | mwaldron | financial |
| 17:39.01 | mwaldron | well, sorta |
| 17:39.01 | johnx | fair enough |
| 17:39.04 | mwaldron | 1/2 of the company is |
| 17:39.16 | mwaldron | my 1/2 not, but we still get paranoia... |
| 17:39.47 | johnx | it's fairly reasonable in that case I guess |
| 17:40.30 | mwaldron | that's why i want vpn for walking aroundthe building, we have wifi coverage of most of it, but it's on the otehr side of the wall |
| 17:40.44 | johnx | (which also makes sense) |
| 17:40.53 | mwaldron | certainly |
| 17:41.04 | mwaldron | woo it's booting again (without card installed) |
| 17:41.11 | johnx | good |
| 17:41.31 | johnx | if a reflash didn't fix that it would be "send it back to Nokia" time anyways |
| 17:42.08 | mwaldron | i suppose they didn't have room for a jtag header in there :) |
| 17:42.15 | johnx | they do. :D |
| 17:42.18 | johnx | it's behind the battery |
| 17:42.25 | mwaldron | oh |
| 17:42.26 | mwaldron | cool! |
| 17:42.42 | mwaldron | thinks nokia designed the tardis |
| 17:42.53 | johnx | I don't know if anyone has used it yet, outside of Nokia |
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| 17:43.52 | johnx | these things are actually somewhat hard to brick unless you do something really silly |
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| 17:46.56 | mwaldron | good to know |
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| 17:49.06 | mwaldron | if i do keep this think i'm going to have to get an apple wireless keyobard |
| 17:49.12 | mwaldron | this logitech dinovo is too large |
| 17:50.04 | johnx | what about the foldable igo stowaway ones? |
| 17:50.57 | mwaldron | googles |
| 17:51.06 | mwaldron | omg i remember that design |
| 17:51.13 | johnx | exactly |
| 17:51.29 | johnx | I was looking at one for my Visor Prism, back in the day |
| 17:51.37 | mwaldron | i worked on that :P |
| 17:51.48 | mwaldron | the old PPK |
| 17:51.59 | johnx | hmm? you worked on the design for it? |
| 17:52.10 | mwaldron | the software actually |
| 17:52.14 | johnx | ahaha |
| 17:52.17 | johnx | that's awesome |
| 17:52.33 | mwaldron | part of team anyway |
| 17:52.45 | johnx | the bluetooth ones were cheap for a while, but apparently they got discontinued and the price shot up |
| 17:52.54 | mwaldron | $50 not bad |
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| 17:52.59 | mwaldron | apple wants 80 |
| 17:53.00 | johnx | definitely not |
| 17:53.05 | mwaldron | what powers it? AAA's? |
| 17:53.15 | mwaldron | nevermind |
| 17:53.17 | mwaldron | i'll rtfm |
| 17:53.19 | johnx | I don't honestly know :) |
| 17:53.34 | johnx | cheaped out and bought a mini-usb keyboard |
| 17:53.46 | mwaldron | amazon has igo bt for $43.95 |
| 17:53.59 | johnx | a nevermind, that's about as cheap as they ever were |
| 17:54.22 | johnx | they're not going to get cheaper than that I think |
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| 17:54.51 | mwaldron | i'm gonna go home out and try my palm version of that, if i like the keys i'll order one |
| 17:55.32 | johnx | talking about it makes me tempted to order one and have it shipped to a friend in the US to hold onto |
| 17:55.46 | johnx | it's way to handy a thing for them to just discontinue it O_o |
| 17:56.41 | mwaldron | heh |
| 17:57.40 | mwaldron | ouch |
| 17:57.47 | mwaldron | i need to readd all my repositories h8 |
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| 18:04.43 | johnx | anyways, time for me to sleep |
| 18:04.45 | johnx | 'night all |
| 18:05.06 | mwaldron | night,t hanks for the help |
| 18:05.14 | johnx | sure :) |
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| 18:23.15 | pupnik | holds a bloody crysknife in the air and shouts "Muad'Dib!!!" |
| 18:23.29 | s33ds | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.48 | inz | damnit, those two lines should've been in reverse order |
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| 18:29.32 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 18:29.48 | pH5 | pupnik: so what's that all about? just finished the dune port? :-P |
| 18:30.16 | procto | Dune I or II? |
| 18:30.20 | pupnik | no i was just thinking of the litany of beer |
| 18:30.24 | pupnik | Beer is the mind-killer. |
| 18:30.27 | pupnik | Beer is the little death that brings total obliteration. |
| 18:30.29 | pupnik | I will face my beer. |
| 18:30.32 | pupnik | I will permit it to pass over me and through me. |
| 18:30.36 | pupnik | And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. |
| 18:30.39 | pupnik | Where the beer has gone there will be nothing. |
| 18:30.42 | pupnik | Only I will remain. |
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| 18:31.37 | pH5 | heh, wonder why I never heard of that before :) |
| 18:31.52 | mwaldron | you did. but beer is the mind killer. |
| 18:32.25 | pupnik | lol |
| 18:32.31 | pH5 | lol indeed |
| 18:38.00 | pumpkin | hmm |
| 18:38.11 | pumpkin | I'm trying to install the maemo 4.0.1 SDK |
| 18:38.24 | pumpkin | but it says that I need to complete the scratchbox installation first |
| 18:38.28 | pumpkin | but I just finished it |
| 18:39.03 | pumpkin | it says it can't find the devkit perl |
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| 18:40.30 | pupnik | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/10/installing-maemo-sdk-4-beta.html |
| 18:40.53 | pupnik | see second comment pumpkin |
| 18:40.55 | pumpkin | I was just following the INSTALL instructions on the page |
| 18:40.56 | pumpkin | ok |
| 18:41.12 | pumpkin | aha: |
| 18:41.13 | pumpkin | thanks :) |
| 18:41.46 | pupnik | i don't know if it's correct, i just googled |
| 18:42.01 | pumpkin | I'll give it a go |
| 18:42.08 | pumpkin | sorry, I should've done that |
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| 18:52.06 | Hrw | hi |
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| 18:52.38 | Hrw | does someone here use omweather? |
| 18:52.47 | procto | I do |
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| 18:54.05 | Ward1983 | im reading this page: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html (i found it while looking for arm-gcc-gnu-linux-armel) |
| 18:54.12 | Ward1983 | but it says: * GCC armel cross-compiler 4.2.1 (with some patches) |
| 18:54.15 | mwaldron | i do, or i will again when it finsihes downloading |
| 18:54.26 | Hrw | when you go to prefs does "add station" dialog has lists to choose from? |
| 18:54.28 | Ward1983 | where can i read about what patches are applied? |
| 18:54.30 | ||cw | so, anyone up for quake3 on an IT? someone's ported it to ipod touch |
| 18:54.49 | Ward1983 | lol funny |
| 18:54.59 | lcuk | ||cw, sore subject lol |
| 18:55.26 | lcuk | bangs his nokia on the desk in the hopes that the bits land in a pvr arrangement |
| 18:56.13 | Ward1983 | stops lcuk from abusing his phone |
| 18:56.34 | Hrw | ||cw without 3d no luck with quake3 rather |
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| 18:58.36 | mwaldron | wasn't someone workin on starcraft port? |
| 18:59.00 | Hrw | without 3d in hardware? |
| 18:59.06 | towo | starcraft is 2d |
| 18:59.15 | towo | (yes, it's THAT old.) |
| 18:59.21 | mwaldron | heh yeah |
| 18:59.34 | towo | And 640x480, IIRC |
| 18:59.37 | mwaldron | next we'll get a commander keen engine running :) |
| 18:59.56 | towo | Well, ScummVM got ported. I'm happy. ;) |
| 19:00.01 | wom- | steel panthers would be nice |
| 19:00.13 | wom- | or is it already with some emu |
| 19:01.46 | ||cw | commander keen was awesome |
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| 19:02.09 | Hrw | o yes |
| 19:02.12 | mwaldron | indeed |
| 19:02.19 | Hrw | i duke nukem 2d |
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| 19:05.01 | MangoFusion | perhaps if someone wrote a really optimized software renderer for quake 3 in pure ARM, then maybe you'd get quake3 on an IT |
| 19:05.22 | Hrw | i doubt |
| 19:05.30 | MangoFusion | haha yes |
| 19:05.51 | keesj | I would already be happy with games my kids can play |
| 19:06.00 | Hrw | 2420 can have nice 3d acceleration |
| 19:06.02 | MangoFusion | in that case then you could run blind |
| 19:06.15 | MangoFusion | who needs to see where your opponents are anyway? :P |
| 19:06.20 | Hrw | opengl es works on other 2420 devices |
| 19:06.21 | MangoFusion | blindfold quake |
| 19:07.17 | Hrw | so should also on nokia tablets. but this probably will not happen due to license problems probably |
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| 19:30.28 | DaniloCesar | lmoura, Do you know something about opencv Lauro? A friend show me it, and it's very impressive. If you are still working with image stuffs, probably you will like of it... |
| 19:30.47 | DaniloCesar | lmoura, It've python bindings.... |
| 19:32.49 | lmoura | DaniloCesar, cool :D |
| 19:33.56 | DaniloCesar | lmoura, are you working with computing-vision yet? |
| 19:34.06 | lmoura | not much |
| 19:34.23 | lmoura | currently image processing and computer graphics |
| 19:34.56 | Navi | Hardware acceleration on the N800 wouldn't be spectactular |
| 19:35.08 | Navi | of graphics, that is |
| 19:35.20 | crashanddie | anyone know if there are any default xpm shipped with hildon/maemo ? |
| 19:35.28 | Navi | Like, what's the highest resolution the PowerVR can output, only QVGA? |
| 19:36.11 | jott | opencv is nice indeed - i wonder if there are any arm optimization in it - it's more of an intel supported thing ;) |
| 19:36.57 | DaniloCesar | lmoura, I saw an example of opencv beeing used to do Face Recognizement.... It's very good. It have some functions to help with Image Processing too.... |
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| 19:38.57 | Hrw | Navi: vga for sure it can |
| 19:39.26 | Hrw | wvga is possible too |
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| 19:47.32 | mwaldron | there was a website for maemo with repository links, for stuff like gainroot/etc. anyone know offhand what that site is? |
| 19:47.48 | mwaldron | i have it bookmarked at home but my over the weekend avg upgrade reset my firewall rules |
| 19:48.37 | solmumaha | http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 19:49.06 | mwaldron | that'sit. thank you |
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| 20:01.27 | lcuk | navi, 640*480 isnt to be sniffed at - its still worlds ahead of anything else and the pixels on this device are so small it barely matters |
| 20:02.38 | pH5 | I'd be happy with 400x240 if I could only turn that damn thing on somehow. |
| 20:02.53 | lcuk | here here |
| 20:03.12 | lcuk | it would give back so much of the rendering timeslice |
| 20:03.17 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18802 |
| 20:03.23 | unique311 | thats really cool... |
| 20:03.29 | unique311 | for those who use grandcentral |
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| 20:05.07 | lcuk | i wonder if it would be possible to coerce the dsp into doing 3d transformations ;) |
| 20:06.03 | lcuk | ph5, did you give up with the 2430 thing? |
| 20:07.16 | pH5 | lcuk: no, but there wasn't much progress. |
| 20:07.50 | lcuk | nm, it will come together eventually |
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| 20:35.24 | phunguy_n810 | hey all |
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| 20:39.56 | ryoohki | can a os2008 machine be hibernated to the sd card? |
| 20:43.24 | yabbas | no |
| 20:43.38 | yabbas | why bother? It's like hibernating a phone :) |
| 20:45.24 | lcuk | yabbas - how do you change batteries and keep your apps running? |
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| 20:48.29 | yabbas | lcuk, you can't :) but I've yet to see any mobile device that can |
| 20:48.54 | yabbas | do windows mobile devices have a hibernate feature? |
| 20:48.59 | lcuk | bi have - my laptop does it |
| 20:49.51 | yabbas | laptops use it to conserve energy and start up quickly - it still takes longer for a hibernated laptop to boot into the OS than it does an IT |
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| 20:50.12 | yabbas | since sleep mode on a laptop only lasts a few hours at best |
| 20:50.21 | lcuk | im only playing devils advocate. its unrealistic at present that its needed, but this device is the most full featured computer ive seen at this form factor, its only fair to treat it the same way. |
| 20:50.25 | yabbas | whereas I can keep my IT in sleep for a few days |
| 20:50.26 | KotCzarny | no, it's used to keep a state of your desktop |
| 20:50.36 | KotCzarny | ie. work -> hibernate/move -> work |
| 20:50.42 | KotCzarny | without reopening everything |
| 20:50.45 | phunguy | bomberman sucks |
| 20:50.52 | yabbas | KotCzarny, It's _never_ recommended to use it as some sort of "save" ! |
| 20:51.09 | KotCzarny | yabbas, works for me |
| 20:51.10 | lcuk | no, its there so you can carry on where you left off with all apps working |
| 20:51.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:51.41 | yabbas | Goodness knows I've had hibernation pause half way through due to some unforseen circumstance ;) you'll be kicking yourself the one time it happens. |
| 20:51.58 | lcuk | sure, they should be saved as well, but this is about workflow - people open a bunch of apps and tabs and run them - to have to do that every couple of hours is a n extra pain |
| 20:52.04 | KotCzarny | yes, saving critical work before is recommended |
| 20:52.07 | KotCzarny | but still |
| 20:52.26 | yabbas | lcuk, the idea is you don't need to save your desktop state - just put the device in sleep |
| 20:52.51 | lcuk | like i said: how do i change the battery when its asleep |
| 20:53.07 | KotCzarny | yabbas: i would be more afraid of 'deepsleep' than 'hibernation' |
| 20:53.26 | yabbas | it's like asking for a mobile phone with hibernation - "if I press the power off button I expect it to save the state of my SMS text that I was typing, the java game I was playing, etc" |
| 20:53.28 | KotCzarny | ie, with hibernation you can even change battery |
| 20:53.32 | KotCzarny | and anything |
| 20:53.43 | lcuk | deepsleep for me means that i wake up in the morning and my apps are gone because the battery is 100% flat |
| 20:53.52 | KotCzarny | with deepsleep, forget that it's sleeping and your work is *poof* |
| 20:53.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:53.55 | lcuk | yabbas - but this isnt a phoen, its a computer |
| 20:54.22 | lcuk | morning KotCzarny btw :) |
| 20:54.35 | KotCzarny | erm, quite |
| 20:54.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:54.39 | KotCzarny | it's 5pm |
| 20:54.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:54.41 | lcuk | or back from work or whatever lol |
| 20:54.46 | yabbas | It's a handheld device :) I'm not sure - but I don't think the iPhone/iPod/PSP/etc have hibernation states |
| 20:55.00 | lcuk | i dunno which timezone youir body clock is on |
| 20:55.12 | lcuk | because you dont do actual work on those devices |
| 20:55.15 | KotCzarny | i don't know either ;) |
| 20:55.17 | yabbas | Also - you're all mistaken - it's 10pm! |
| 20:55.28 | lcuk | you play games or music - 1 thing at once and swap with cart or umd |
| 20:55.45 | KotCzarny | my body is probably around 9am though |
| 20:55.51 | yabbas | out of interest - do windows mobile devices have hibernation? |
| 20:55.52 | lcuk | yabbas, you need to expand your mind - we are in a worldwide village |
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| 20:56.34 | lcuk | im not sure, but again win mobile arent proper computers ;) its the keyboard that makes it so for me |
| 20:56.42 | s33ds | how would i go about setting icon theme for a hildon application? |
| 20:56.49 | yabbas | but you have winmobile devices with keybaords |
| 20:56.50 | lcuk | will get howks from the 800 owners for that |
| 20:56.54 | s33ds | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.10 | lcuk | i know lol - im not sure, lemme see if my old '02 model does |
| 20:57.31 | yabbas | agrees with lcuk and KotCzarny though - hibernation would be cool |
| 20:58.56 | lcuk | doesnt appear to on mine. but then again ive never wanted to multitask on it - ive been focused on one thing. on my 810 i do about 4 things at once |
| 21:00.35 | yabbas | multitasking ftw :) |
| 21:01.18 | KotCzarny | multinode multiuser multitasking |
| 21:01.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:02.03 | yabbas | that post on itt about how durable they are... I've slept on my tablet twice! 103kg bearing down on the poor thing and not a scratch, bent panel, anything. |
| 21:02.34 | lcuk | i have a bit of security around my 810 but i wouldnt like to test it |
| 21:02.43 | KotCzarny | but not 103kg on 10cm^2 |
| 21:02.51 | KotCzarny | probably less than 1kg |
| 21:02.54 | lcuk | i doubt it would be as durable as the fujitsu loox i have though |
| 21:02.56 | KotCzarny | on actuall devide |
| 21:02.58 | KotCzarny | device |
| 21:03.00 | yabbas | woooo http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-e518a39004e011dd9d27275d541ca523a523 |
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| 21:03.14 | lcuk | that bounced down the stairs |
| 21:03.28 | yabbas | KotCzarny, I'll step on it and see |
| 21:03.29 | lcuk | quite spectacular but my heart was in mouth and it happened in slow motion |
| 21:03.30 | yabbas | :D |
| 21:03.47 | KotCzarny | yabbas.. ech.. you get them for free or what? |
| 21:03.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.50 | yabbas | lcuk, I woke up and thought "sh!t f*ck ... I'm sure I put it on the desk behind me!" looked and it wasn't there. Poor thing was under me at the time, slide open, etc Tested the lot and all was fine *phew* |
| 21:05.10 | yabbas | KotCzarny, haw, I got two for cheap ;) |
| 21:05.40 | lcuk | indeed - i have mine in a cradle now and hold it like a book on my chest - when i feel myself dozing i whip it in same place - im taking no chances |
| 21:07.06 | lcuk | do you find your 810 uncomfotable to hold? |
| 21:07.15 | yabbas | yup |
| 21:07.15 | lcuk | (lay on back) |
| 21:07.16 | yabbas | well |
| 21:07.23 | yabbas | it's not comfortable... |
| 21:07.39 | KotCzarny | same thing with regular book |
| 21:08.01 | KotCzarny | stick some velcro and hang it over you :) |
| 21:08.01 | lcuk | quick solution, get a tshirt and hook it through the stand - then hold the bunched up tshirt instead of the device |
| 21:08.23 | lcuk | or make something |
| 21:08.24 | lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg |
| 21:09.00 | lcuk | before i did this i had a big rubber patch stuck on the back of it to help with grip |
| 21:09.16 | yabbas | lol |
| 21:09.35 | yabbas | looks like it's defeated the purpose, but cool :) |
| 21:09.49 | yabbas | right, time to idle... bbl |
| 21:10.31 | lcuk | not really, we just throw it around and fingers dont get caught on the side of the screen when gripping it and when im drawing or writing my wrist rests on the wood and is the correct height to use like an actual surface instead of up and wrong |
| 21:10.34 | towo | The only problem with my N810 is that the battery hatch doesn't close correctly |
| 21:10.50 | lcuk | creaking noises from the awfully constructed backplate |
| 21:11.21 | lcuk | it is easy to bend the clips, towo take it off and carefully check the alignment of each and whether you have warped it |
| 21:11.53 | towo | When seen from the top (as in you're putting the hatch back in), the left hook doesn't grab under that metal latch, since the latch has the problem of not being absolute against the bottom of the device, and thus the hook slides over the latch.. |
| 21:12.04 | towo | Well, I was thinknig of that as a last ditch. :) |
| 21:12.38 | lcuk | i mean it could have been accidentally bent in the past - it sounds like you just need to tweak it slightly |
| 21:12.51 | lcuk | there isnt gonna be a software update for it - so its gonna have to be you |
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| 21:13.41 | MangoFusion | lcuk: you forgot the track pad and all of those usb ports :P |
| 21:14.02 | lcuk | track pad is front and centre matey |
| 21:15.00 | MangoFusion | you also need a big glowing nokia logo on the back i reckon |
| 21:15.56 | towo | lcuk: I was just hoping for someone having a Great Trick, in the prospect of this maybe being a Common Problem[tm]. |
| 21:15.58 | lcuk | lol - speaking of big red glowing things - ive turned the throbber off on the 810 corner (i kept waking up thinking there was an alien invasion as these weird shadows came from my dresser) |
| 21:16.52 | lcuk | anyway, i was showing missus that the thing in the corner really was a camera (she thought i had covered it up - but that was just the ambient sensor) so i put it on and nearly blinded us with its red light |
| 21:17.03 | lcuk | i bet it would help night vision |
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| 21:17.28 | lcuk | towo it may just be a batch |
| 21:17.42 | towo | Probably. I'm looking for mah tools. |
| 21:17.50 | lcuk | i noticed it immediately and curse it every time i need to unplug battery |
| 21:17.57 | lcuk | finger should do it |
| 21:18.06 | lcuk | unless its seriously out of whack |
| 21:18.18 | lcuk | its like the back plates on pcs |
| 21:18.43 | lcuk | flimsy crappy metal |
| 21:21.13 | towo | I'm thinking we're not talking about the same thing there. Bending back the little latch (that slides around with the opener) doesn't work, since it springs back before you can slide the cover down completely. |
| 21:21.32 | towo | (due to the middle hook moving said latch) |
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| 21:23.39 | lcuk | take a pic |
| 21:23.47 | pupnik | funny, i just bent the slider mechanism on n810 today - got stuck |
| 21:24.03 | pupnik | a set of micro-screwdrivers is very helpful to fix that |
| 21:24.17 | towo | http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1979.jpg |
| 21:24.27 | towo | that one should be way back at the bottom |
| 21:24.52 | pupnik | hah that clip you show was bent all the way out of the case for me! |
| 21:24.57 | towo | http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1980.jpg |
| 21:25.00 | pupnik | the slider |
| 21:25.01 | towo | The problem... |
| 21:25.18 | towo | http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1981.jpg - and how it shows |
| 21:26.25 | pupnik | hah you pressed down too hard on the case |
| 21:27.01 | pupnik | make sure the cover is slid all the way into the top of the hinge before pressing down |
| 21:27.48 | towo | It is way in, that's not the problem. |
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| 21:29.00 | lcuk | you just made me misalign mine trying to reproduce. gr8 photots by the way, are these taken now? |
| 21:29.25 | Ziegler | Maemo mapper developers ever around here? |
| 21:29.42 | towo | lcuk: Sometime during the day |
| 21:29.50 | pupnik | killer macro on that camera |
| 21:30.07 | towo | .. 55m focal length |
| 21:30.23 | lcuk | ok - looking down onto the nokia with its screen down - how much gap is between the battery case and the main body |
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| 21:31.01 | towo | I'm having trouble parsing that, please rephrase. :) |
| 21:31.16 | lcuk | it doesnt slide in properly on mine if i have that gap wrong - it felt like i would bend the pins easily if the back ones werent in place properly |
| 21:31.31 | pupnik | right lcuk |
| 21:31.35 | lcuk | ok, the pics you took - looking from above - look right down the nokia |
| 21:32.06 | lcuk | read the word nokia n series - and above that is the line where the battery cover and the case meet |
| 21:32.36 | lcuk | there are 3 small hooks on the back of that line - these are what i suspect may be knocking out the alignment at the front |
| 21:32.43 | pupnik | when i'm not careful sliding it up/in, there can be a misalignment there - about a 1mm gap |
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| 21:33.24 | Ziegler | Re maemo mapper... Anyone have any documentation as to the format it expects for gpx files? |
| 21:33.35 | towo | I checked that gap already, if I align it wrong, you can see a bit of the interior... |
| 21:34.04 | Ziegler | You all talking about the n810 case? |
| 21:34.11 | towo | jep. |
| 21:34.43 | Ziegler | Is the right slide more loose than the left? |
| 21:35.11 | towo | We're talking about the battery compartment here |
| 21:35.17 | Ziegler | Ah |
| 21:35.36 | towo | Specifically http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1979.jpg , 80, and 81 |
| 21:35.43 | Ziegler | Danke |
| 21:35.48 | towo | np |
| 21:36.20 | lcuk | thats meant to be pointing directly down into the device - you have bent it at some point |
| 21:36.40 | lcuk | you didnt show off picture 80 of your nokia porn before so i couldnt tell |
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| 21:37.11 | towo | It's vertical to the case? |
| 21:37.28 | towo | Doesn't look like that on http://blog.mightygadget.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nokia-n810-hands-on-10.jpg |
| 21:37.39 | lcuk | yes like the central clip one |
| 21:37.52 | towo | Oh, well, that explains a lot, then |
| 21:37.59 | towo | Maybe I got the monday model. |
| 21:38.25 | Ziegler | (Side note... Those of u who have the 810... Is your slide on the right more sloppy than the left?) |
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| 21:38.32 | lcuk | no, the engadget model is the same - its just hidden in low res and lighting |
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| 21:38.40 | towo | tries to find some more reference pics |
| 21:38.56 | towo | (Not that I don't believe you, but.. you know.) |
| 21:38.59 | lcuk | the right hand side notch is longer and hooked slightly |
| 21:39.12 | towo | yeah, that one's correct here, too |
| 21:39.14 | lcuk | the other 2 are straight out of at 90 degrees from the backplate |
| 21:39.41 | lcuk | damn my camera aint here |
| 21:39.56 | towo | I can't believe I can't find dismantled n810 shots |
| 21:40.16 | lcuk | i know |
| 21:40.29 | towo | intartubes fail. |
| 21:40.30 | lcuk | maybe you should take some more nokia porn photos |
| 21:40.56 | lcuk | :) you have a decent camera |
| 21:41.15 | towo | EOS 300D (I think Digital Rebel for the transpondians) |
| 21:41.20 | towo | [Canon.] |
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| 21:41.31 | towo | With the 18-55 kit lens |
| 21:41.43 | towo | f/3.4 or something |
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| 21:42.42 | lcuk | wow - now i know what normal ppl feel when i talk geek to them. :P seriously stunning macro though |
| 21:43.23 | lcuk | puts the elastic band back round his nokia |
| 21:43.38 | towo | Actually, from a photographic (artistic) viewpoint, it's a load of bull. |
| 21:43.54 | towo | Bad lighting and only good to show off details. |
| 21:45.15 | lcuk | i dunno, look at the engadget example you found. yours seriously spanks it quality wise. |
| 21:46.03 | towo | Yeah, well, probaly using a compact digital camera, they're good for nothing much, really |
| 21:46.49 | towo | In most cases, you're better off drawing from memory than photographic using your umpty-mp HyperTeraPowerShot 42^23 |
| 21:47.52 | towo | Ah, perfect. |
| 21:47.57 | towo | Thanks, lcuk. :) |
| 21:48.19 | lcuk | np :) |
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| 21:49.00 | towo | No more creaking while typing. Parday! |
| 21:49.12 | towo | Ziegler: Yes, here, too. |
| 21:50.58 | edrex | cross-posting from #poky: i, just flashed my 770 with poky 3.1, looks promising but how to get wireless drivers? |
| 21:51.10 | edrex | I think I saw a blurb about copying from somewhere but can't find the link |
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| 21:52.22 | Ziegler | Towo did yo do something to tighten it up? |
| 21:52.48 | towo | No, I just checked that it's actually the right slider occasionally griefing me. |
| 21:52.53 | edrex | is alt-os talk taboo on #maemo? |
| 21:53.21 | Ziegler | Ah ok... Thank towo |
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| 21:53.29 | Ziegler | Thanks* |
| 21:54.18 | KotCzarny | edrex: no, but it's off-topic |
| 21:54.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.08 | edrex | KotCzarny: is there a channel for general device discussion, or just the ITT boards? |
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| 21:56.22 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 21:56.48 | SamuraiDio | does someone know if n810 can connect to internet through an usb modem? |
| 21:56.53 | KotCzarny | edrex: off-topic or not, you can talk :) |
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| 21:59.47 | SamuraiDio | well, cya... |
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| 22:00.17 | edrex | i'm not married to poky, it's just the first alt os was able to flash properly. i'm wanting something stripped down and peppy so I don't have to spend cycles/pixels with pixmap bling/ background procs I don't use etc |
| 22:01.05 | edrex | but the alt images don't support hw features etc.. it's a puzzler |
| 22:01.19 | edrex | i'm going to try nokia kernel with poky image |
| 22:01.21 | edrex | :) |
| 22:01.30 | KotCzarny | edrex, poky has no hw drivers for n8x0 |
| 22:01.32 | KotCzarny | for now |
| 22:01.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:01.35 | phunguy | anyone know a good place for themes? |
| 22:01.55 | edrex | KotCzarny: you mean wireless? |
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| 22:02.04 | KotCzarny | also |
| 22:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | phunguy, maemo.org/downloads |
| 22:03.26 | KotCzarny | i think there were people that tried it |
| 22:05.32 | Jaffa | Cool, Android on N810 |
| 22:05.37 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 22:07.31 | pupnik | what is cool about android |
| 22:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | IT"S GOOGLE!!!!111 |
| 22:08.11 | Jaffa | a) More buzz than Maemo; b) weight of Google; c) interesting hack. |
| 22:08.16 | Jaffa | (c) is most important |
| 22:08.22 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 22:08.26 | KotCzarny | having options is great |
| 22:11.07 | lcuk | its just a phone front end isnt it? everything lives in java. |
| 22:11.22 | edrex | darn poky image doesn't boot w/nokia kernel :) |
| 22:11.41 | KotCzarny | edrex, wrong root= setting? |
| 22:11.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:11.47 | lcuk | looks closer |
| 22:11.49 | edrex | ? |
| 22:11.54 | KotCzarny | grab a kernel source and correct/compile it yourself |
| 22:11.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:12.09 | KotCzarny | edrex: nokia's kernel boots to initfs on mtdblock |
| 22:12.13 | Jaffa | lcuk: It's a portable Linux-based OS for mobile devices, from Google; using the Java language compiled to a rapid-execution bytecode (i.e. not JVM bytecode) |
| 22:12.15 | lcuk | hmmm im happy to say im wrong |
| 22:13.01 | lcuk | its not just java |
| 22:13.13 | lcuk | :D Android includes a set of C/C++ libraries used by various components of the Android system. These capabilities are exposed to developers through the Android application framework. Some of the core libraries are listed below: |
| 22:13.21 | edrex | KotCzarny: probably i'll go back to trying to get os2006 cloned on mmc : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166460#post166460 |
| 22:13.35 | lcuk | is on http://code.google.com/android/what-is-android.html |
| 22:13.50 | KotCzarny | edrex, you can install fanoush's initfs, then you can setup any rootfs then |
| 22:13.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:15.18 | edrex | KotCzarny: yes, I'm running that. I guess I'm not clear about what is stored where.. the zImage is.. in its own partition, yes? and then the kernel modules are in the rootfs? |
| 22:15.47 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:15.54 | KotCzarny | sequence is: |
| 22:17.10 | KotCzarny | nolo -> kernel in mtd -> initfs in mtd (with initial modules for ext3 etc) -> selected rootfs (mtd/mmc/usb/etc) |
| 22:17.40 | edrex | different mtd for kernel and initfs? |
| 22:17.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:18.38 | edrex | has anyone figured out a way to have multiple kernels with nolo? |
| 22:19.04 | KotCzarny | i haven't seen |
| 22:19.16 | KotCzarny | but probably kernel with kexec option could help |
| 22:19.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:19.22 | KotCzarny | and some initfs hacking |
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| 22:19.52 | edrex | set my tablet free! :) |
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| 22:53.26 | corevette | did everyone see http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/04/android-running-on-n810.html |
| 22:54.51 | glass | hmm no |
| 22:55.00 | glass | but.. rather expected i guess |
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| 22:58.48 | MangoFusion_ | corevette: cool |
| 22:59.16 | jott | i wonder why he installed the old android sdk .. |
| 22:59.38 | corevette | do you think it'll work on the 770? |
| 23:00.19 | GeneralAntilles | corevette, did you check the wiki page? |
| 23:00.20 | jott | should be |
| 23:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP1 is too slow to be usable. |
| 23:00.36 | corevette | this? http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP |
| 23:00.39 | corevette | what is OMAP? |
| 23:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | The SoC the tablets run on. |
| 23:01.12 | corevette | and nokia 770 is OMAP1? |
| 23:01.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
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| 23:02.25 | corevette | but i mean, can it really be that much slower than os2007HE? |
| 23:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently, yes. |
| 23:03.45 | jott | GeneralAntilles: have you tried it? ;P |
| 23:04.12 | GeneralAntilles | No, but people with more time and energy than my have, and they say it's only good as a proof-of-concept. |
| 23:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming, that is, that it actually even works on the 770. |
| 23:04.28 | jott | erm quoting the wiki? or what? |
| 23:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki only mentions OMAP1, and not the 770 specifically. |
| 23:04.44 | jott | erm its because of 32mb ram |
| 23:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | corevette, it sounds like it's a fantastic idea |
| 23:04.54 | jott | not specifically omap1 |
| 23:04.57 | GeneralAntilles | you should install it |
| 23:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | it'll run great! |
| 23:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | moves on. |
| 23:06.19 | yabbas | Can Android run Doom? |
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| 23:13.29 | yabbas | is there a way I can retrieve the last few items apt-get upgraded? |
| 23:18.54 | yabbas | or... |
| 23:19.11 | yabbas | which packages cause OS2008 to fail to boot? |
| 23:19.33 | lcuk | windowsvista.deb |
| 23:19.38 | yabbas | >_< |
| 23:19.50 | yabbas | srsly |
| 23:20.14 | lcuk | i dunno, you mean from the default nokia approved list or from the big wide unsupported world? |
| 23:20.34 | pupnik | if you can't boot, how would you see the boot log |
| 23:20.40 | yabbas | default nokia list...the scenario is as follows. I did an apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 23:20.53 | pupnik | say 20 hail marys and reflash |
| 23:20.58 | yabbas | nooooo |
| 23:21.16 | yabbas | I've managed to get to a state where I can SSH without the device rebooting |
| 23:21.20 | lcuk | you could install fanaushes thingymajig - but it doesnt help this time. |
| 23:21.41 | jott | why do you blindly do upgrades? :p |
| 23:21.44 | lcuk | ahhh hang on, you have done something most dont get to - is it fully active? |
| 23:21.56 | yabbas | jott: don't ask ... :) |
| 23:22.01 | yabbas | lcuk, yup! |
| 23:22.09 | jott | alcohol? ;) |
| 23:22.10 | pupnik | then type dmesg |
| 23:22.11 | yabbas | fully active, just no matchbox |
| 23:22.19 | pupnik | well that might not help much |
| 23:22.46 | lcuk | cant you send over and execute something? (i know no specifics..) |
| 23:22.53 | yabbas | well |
| 23:22.53 | lcuk | ie a shell |
| 23:23.10 | jott | yabbas: look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:23.13 | pupnik | if you can ssh-in then it booted |
| 23:23.42 | yabbas | pupnik, this is to do with (possibly) the lifeguard resetting the device before it gets into the gui |
| 23:23.48 | lcuk | yabbas - have you set your brightness to zero ? |
| 23:23.49 | lcuk | ;) |
| 23:24.24 | yabbas | lcuk, sh!t wait, this isn't my N810...it's a cheese sandwich! |
| 23:24.44 | lcuk | :O wow - cheese sandwiches run linux nowadays. wonders will never cease |
| 23:24.56 | yabbas | less has been known to run linux :) |
| 23:25.47 | lcuk | is it boot cycling though - ie after 60 seconds of nothingness |
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| 23:25.51 | lcuk | or is it just locking at a point in the bootup |
| 23:26.04 | yabbas | lcuk, basically yeah. Exhibited same issues as everyone else when they do an apt-get upgrade |
| 23:26.23 | yabbas | nokia hands, wait a while, device reboots |
| 23:26.41 | yabbas | i.e. something happens before you get to a gui |
| 23:27.02 | lcuk | have you had any strange themes - i remember the lcars one installed extras |
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| 23:28.00 | yabbas | nope, this will happen even if you have a fresh flash and do an apt-get upgrade. One of the packages breaks it. I was wondering if I can reinstall the package to fix mine now that I have access to it. |
| 23:28.25 | yabbas | jott, no files in /var/log/ :-/ |
| 23:28.47 | KotCzarny | install syslogd |
| 23:28.52 | KotCzarny | syslog |
| 23:28.54 | jott | KotCzarny: too late :) |
| 23:28.58 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 23:28.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:29.08 | yabbas | hehehe |
| 23:29.11 | KotCzarny | curses and runs away |
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| 23:34.59 | pupnik | i'm still excited i managed to make the lcd controller go all WSOD on the N810 |
| 23:35.01 | yabbas | hmmm, does upgrading canola screw around with the old database? |
| 23:35.04 | pupnik | it's like an easter egg |
| 23:35.42 | KotCzarny | stinky easter egg |
| 23:35.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:36.01 | pupnik | yeah but it looks so cool! |
| 23:36.41 | lcuk | pupnik, were you playing with the omapfb :P |
| 23:36.59 | pupnik | nope, just mypaint |
| 23:37.09 | lcuk | furry nuff |
| 23:37.27 | lcuk | where is this tool of coolness |
| 23:37.28 | jott | touchscreen overload ;) |
| 23:37.40 | lcuk | touch is a different interface to the lcd ;) |
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| 23:37.57 | pupnik | it's like all of a sudden seeing a color from another dimension |
| 23:38.09 | pupnik | totally strange |
| 23:38.10 | jott | maybe it was a subliminal message |
| 23:38.11 | KotCzarny | pupnik, try lsd |
| 23:38.14 | KotCzarny | it's better |
| 23:38.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:38.21 | KotCzarny | and safer in many ways |
| 23:38.22 | KotCzarny | (; |
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| 23:38.32 | lcuk | i was coding for yuv on an rgb screen which gave similar effects |
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| 23:39.57 | jott | blames the evil watchdog whose only purpose is to annoy people and drive them crazy |
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| 23:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, turn them off then, jott. :P |
| 23:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | They're useful for normal people who wouldn't know what to do when the device suddenly goes white. :P |
| 23:42.05 | jott | i have it turned off |
| 23:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | Good! Problem solved. |
| 23:42.32 | jott | for me .. yes |
| 23:42.56 | jott | i have no problems - like so many others here ;) |
| 23:43.57 | jott | or unlike.. what ever you choose |
| 23:49.22 | pupnik | you saw the omap3430 running xmame jott? |
| 23:50.14 | jott | not yet |
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| 23:56.14 | pupnik_ | http://www.openpandora.org/blog.php and hows this for open development of a product? you get to see everything they're allowed to release |
| 23:56.54 | jott | yeah just looked again at the blog a few minutes ago ;) |
| 23:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad TI can't get behind the open source hardware thing in a really meaningful way. |
| 23:57.42 | pupnik_ | those pics show nicely how much space full size SD slots actually take up |
| 23:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:58.28 | jott | they should have gone with a single mini sd slot |
| 23:58.29 | jott | ducks |
| 23:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | We need 4 microsd slots! |
| 23:59.44 | jott | but nice to see some progress |
