| 00:00.10 | edt | the new fs will do software loadleveling and is designed to minimize the number of writes |
| 00:00.16 | woochiwoochiwa | the app has dependencies on python2.5-gtk2 and python2.5-hildon |
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| 00:00.22 | woochiwoochiwa | so - where do i get those from |
| 00:00.24 | woochiwoochiwa | for OS2008 |
| 00:00.29 | edt | minimizing the writes saves both power and write cycles |
| 00:03.05 | edt | Tama^3 search a linux mailing list archive for 'UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)' from Tomasz Chmielewski |
| 00:03.29 | Tama^3 | thanks |
| 00:03.50 | edt | also: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system from Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com> |
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| 00:04.43 | edt | looks like UBIFS is further along than logfs. Both should work much better that current fses on large sd/sdhc cards |
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| 00:07.27 | pupnik_ | new game port for maemo: "defendguin" (defender clone) http://n8ftl.com/maemo http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18740 by John Tobias |
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| 00:14.21 | woochiwoochiwa | hello people |
| 00:17.56 | pupnik_ | hg |
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| 00:29.55 | KotCzarny | edt: but it's a regular file, so if fs is journalled, then writing to swapfile goes through it, or direct? |
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| 01:35.35 | pupnik_ | hrm mtpaint zoom out to 0.5 crashes a bigger pic now too |
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| 01:54.07 | Navi | :o |
| 01:59.51 | pupnik_ | Navi, that brush that starts thick and gets thinner is awesome for hair |
| 02:00.10 | Navi | in mtpaint? |
| 02:00.22 | pupnik_ | yeah check the lower left corner of this http://pupnik.de/ma6.jpg |
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| 02:01.39 | Navi | Cool |
| 02:01.44 | Navi | isn't much of an artist though |
| 02:02.57 | Navi | But messing with mypaint for a little while was fun. |
| 02:08.10 | pupnik_ | then when you blur it, all the nasty fake pencil lines in the hair fade and look natural http://pupnik.de/ma6blurred.jpg |
| 02:08.21 | pupnik_ | then you can repeat |
| 02:09.17 | pupnik_ | takes forever though |
| 02:09.52 | Navi | ohrite, that's what I should of done. |
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| 02:14.16 | yabbas | heeeelp! etc |
| 02:14.50 | yabbas | irritatingly I took the plunge and ran apt-get upgrade.... ;( |
| 02:14.54 | yabbas | sighs |
| 02:15.11 | pupnik_ | not recommended |
| 02:15.26 | yabbas | tell me about it! Infinite reboot loop now. |
| 02:16.01 | yabbas | I want to recover...just flashed initfs and got usb mode networking up. But can't seem to ssh/telnet in after that. |
| 02:16.37 | yabbas | "Unable to connect to remote host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused" |
| 02:16.44 | yabbas | any ideas? |
| 02:17.51 | yabbas | anyone :) |
| 02:18.34 | pupnik_ | it'd be kind of cool if we could mount the rootfs from pc |
| 02:18.52 | yabbas | that was my hope |
| 02:19.13 | KotCzarny | pupnik, sshfs ? |
| 02:19.21 | KotCzarny | dropbear supports scp afair |
| 02:19.34 | yabbas | if I can't do that - is there a way I can grab rootfs using flasher3? |
| 02:19.38 | KotCzarny | though i don't know if included version does it too |
| 02:19.44 | yabbas | KotCzarny, dropbear won't let me in :( |
| 02:20.13 | KotCzarny | yabbas: yes, dd </dev/mtdblock4 >somewhere/a_copy |
| 02:20.34 | KotCzarny | but misplace a <> sign and you can toast the device |
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| 02:20.36 | KotCzarny | for good |
| 02:20.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:20.52 | KotCzarny | better clone fs to mmc card |
| 02:20.55 | KotCzarny | and boot from it |
| 02:20.57 | yabbas | KotCzarny, ?? using flasher3 |
| 02:21.05 | yabbas | I can't boot into the device. |
| 02:21.11 | KotCzarny | i never used flasher3 |
| 02:21.21 | KotCzarny | not even once |
| 02:21.35 | GAN800 | yabbas, how many times have I told you not to do that? :P |
| 02:21.59 | yabbas | GAN800, twice as many as half the number of times :) |
| 02:22.09 | yabbas | damnit - there has to be a way to recover |
| 02:22.15 | KotCzarny | there is |
| 02:22.22 | KotCzarny | but it requires some linux knowledge |
| 02:22.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:22.32 | shackan | does the new paint program install fine on the n800 ? |
| 02:22.38 | GAN800 | initfs and usbnet |
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| 02:22.52 | yabbas | GAN800, usbnet doesn't seem to let me in :-/ nay ideas why? |
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| 02:23.04 | KotCzarny | wrong ip? |
| 02:23.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:23.06 | GAN800 | root:rootme? |
| 02:23.07 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 02:23.11 | yabbas | KotCzarny, nope |
| 02:23.33 | yabbas | root@reaper:/home/yabbas/Desktop# ssh root:rootme@192.168.10.1 |
| 02:23.33 | yabbas | ssh: connect to host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused |
| 02:23.49 | KotCzarny | can you ping your desktop from the device? |
| 02:23.52 | yabbas | KotCzarny, I can ping it fine |
| 02:23.56 | yabbas | err |
| 02:23.57 | KotCzarny | both ways? |
| 02:24.02 | yabbas | I don't have access to the device ;) |
| 02:24.11 | yabbas | (this is usbnet) |
| 02:24.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:24.20 | KotCzarny | ttry telnet |
| 02:24.25 | yabbas | same thing |
| 02:24.39 | KotCzarny | then you have probably flashed wrong initfs ? |
| 02:24.45 | johnx | you did install an ssh server on the device, right? |
| 02:24.47 | yabbas | root@reaper:/home/yabbas/Desktop# telnet -l root 192.168.10.1 |
| 02:24.47 | yabbas | Trying 192.168.10.1... |
| 02:24.47 | yabbas | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 02:24.48 | KotCzarny | or not enabled it during flashing? |
| 02:24.50 | GAN800 | Did you actually install dropbear when you flashed the initfs. |
| 02:25.05 | johnx | aaah...this is from initfs, forget I said anything |
| 02:25.35 | yabbas | well....umm, here's the story :) since the N810 is in a reboot loop I couldn't create the bootmenu there. Created it using N800 with ssh server, then flashed to N810 |
| 02:25.50 | yabbas | assumes that'll be ok to do |
| 02:25.54 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 02:26.03 | johnx | yeah, that should work in theory |
| 02:26.19 | KotCzarny | but apparently it doesn't start up |
| 02:26.38 | yabbas | so now I have bootmenu, loading defaults for usbnet. pinging the N810 works...but connection is refused |
| 02:27.01 | johnx | ok, so somehow the ssh server isn't getting started |
| 02:27.09 | KotCzarny | my bet you hadn't enabled telnet/sshd during initfs creation |
| 02:27.10 | yabbas | bootmenu says it is |
| 02:27.34 | johnx | cut out the uncertainty, modify one of the initscripts to run utelnetd no matter what |
| 02:27.35 | KotCzarny | other bet is desktop's firewall |
| 02:27.40 | yabbas | KotCzarny, bootmenu.sh checks for the existence of the files - if they're there, they're started |
| 02:27.44 | KotCzarny | and third one is mismatched ips |
| 02:28.12 | yabbas | checks the firewall... |
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| 02:30.49 | KotCzarny | to be sure you can try running nmap from desktop too |
| 02:30.50 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:31.09 | yabbas | good idea |
| 02:31.45 | doc|home | pupnik_: crayon physics game? |
| 02:31.52 | pupnik_ | didn't see you active |
| 02:32.01 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 02:32.43 | johnx | so did you just prepare this initfs on the n800 or did you flash it to the n800 as well? |
| 02:33.00 | yabbas | johnx, just prepared it without flashing |
| 02:33.26 | yabbas | nmap ... 80,1080,8080 odd! |
| 02:33.36 | KotCzarny | yabbas, mismatched ips |
| 02:33.36 | johnx | extremely odd |
| 02:33.37 | KotCzarny | then |
| 02:33.40 | KotCzarny | my first bet |
| 02:33.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:33.54 | yabbas | KotCzarny, fix it for me ;) |
| 02:34.04 | KotCzarny | what ip has usbnet on desktop? |
| 02:34.08 | KotCzarny | what ip for nokia? |
| 02:34.10 | pupnik_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/numptyphysics/ doc|home |
| 02:34.26 | pupnik_ | i can't solve the last level |
| 02:34.28 | yabbas | ip for nokia is presumably 192.168.10.1 (that's the default) |
| 02:34.47 | yabbas | usbnet on desktop _should_ be 192.168.10.2 |
| 02:34.52 | KotCzarny | ifconfig then |
| 02:34.55 | KotCzarny | and you will see |
| 02:35.10 | yabbas | well |
| 02:35.11 | Navi | pupnik_, the tree one? |
| 02:35.19 | pupnik_ | yea |
| 02:35.46 | yabbas | this is the odd thing....usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr EE:70:B2:C5:47:E7 |
| 02:35.46 | yabbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.54 | yabbas | no inet4 addy?? |
| 02:36.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:36.15 | KotCzarny | i have never used usbnet |
| 02:36.21 | KotCzarny | can't comment on that |
| 02:36.33 | yabbas | it should have an inet4 address, so not sure why it doesn't |
| 02:36.46 | KotCzarny | set it to 10.10 :) |
| 02:37.37 | yabbas | set...lemme try again |
| 02:38.58 | yabbas | still no ipv4 address |
| 02:39.19 | johnx | hang on a second, what are the addresses of your other interfaces? |
| 02:39.32 | johnx | cause really usbnet shouldn't overlap with another network |
| 02:39.42 | KotCzarny | yeah, pastebin.com output of ifconfig -a |
| 02:39.44 | KotCzarny | and route -n |
| 02:39.50 | johnx | and yet you found another host at the same IP address as you expected your N810 to appear... |
| 02:39.51 | yabbas | 192.168.1.0 ... and that _should_ be it |
| 02:40.08 | Navi | pupnik_, it's pretty easy, but you have to be fast |
| 02:40.34 | doc|home | pupnik_: numpty physics doesn't really do much :) |
| 02:40.50 | GAN800 | Build a catapult and a dome. |
| 02:41.02 | yabbas | brilliant, mouse batteries died >_< |
| 02:41.17 | GAN800 | Use a filled in circle to drop in to provide power. |
| 02:41.21 | Navi | :P |
| 02:41.24 | Navi | No need |
| 02:41.48 | yabbas | johnx, aaaargh ... you're right! |
| 02:41.58 | Navi | just draw a a seesaw with a hook to keep the ball from falling off over the tree |
| 02:42.01 | johnx | :) |
| 02:42.02 | yabbas | remembers he's got a router somewhere with that address |
| 02:42.10 | Navi | then add a weight at the other end to pull the ball over |
| 02:42.17 | GAN800 | Lame |
| 02:42.18 | yabbas | slaps face |
| 02:42.26 | KotCzarny | slaps yabbas too |
| 02:42.33 | GAN800 | Catault is so much more badass |
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| 02:43.03 | Ziegler | Anyone using sip on the n810? |
| 02:43.43 | yabbas | no wait - I'm mistaken. I don't :P |
| 02:43.48 | GAN800 | N |
| 02:43.49 | GAN800 | Numpty needs a pc level editor. |
| 02:43.57 | Proteous | I almost spilled my dring on my n810, luckly I was using a sippy cup. Does that count? |
| 02:43.58 | KotCzarny | pastebin |
| 02:44.07 | yabbas | pastebin it shall be! |
| 02:44.11 | Proteous | drink |
| 02:44.13 | Ziegler | I have a sipphone account... But having problems setiing it up |
| 02:44.25 | Ziegler | On th 810 |
| 02:45.00 | yabbas | http://pastebin.com/m3eb50a44 |
| 02:45.25 | GAN800 | Works fine here, Zeigler. NAT can occasionally be weird. |
| 02:45.33 | KotCzarny | yabbas: and route -n |
| 02:46.26 | KotCzarny | from that pastebin it's: 6 packets transmitted, 0 packets received |
| 02:47.12 | yabbas | http://pastebin.com/m2c4a760a :-/ |
| 02:47.36 | KotCzarny | apparently you have not set up usbnet on desktop |
| 02:48.11 | KotCzarny | and as i said i have never used it, so i can be wrong |
| 02:48.16 | KotCzarny | but probably i'm not |
| 02:48.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:48.26 | johnx | but you still can't give usb0 an address on your desktop? ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.10 |
| 02:48.38 | KotCzarny | johnx: add 'up' too |
| 02:48.46 | johnx | KotCzarny, it is up |
| 02:48.57 | KotCzarny | who know how it behaves |
| 02:49.00 | KotCzarny | *knows |
| 02:49.04 | yabbas | hmm |
| 02:49.29 | johnx | KotCzarny, I know because I've been using usbnet in one form or another for ~4 years :) |
| 02:49.36 | yabbas | johnx++ |
| 02:49.38 | KotCzarny | ok, you take it from here |
| 02:49.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:49.54 | KotCzarny | though i have told him to give usbnet an ip |
| 02:49.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:50.26 | johnx | yabbas, what distro is this, by the way? |
| 02:50.31 | yabbas | thankyou mister! /etc/network/interfaces didn't do its job! |
| 02:50.47 | yabbas | Ubuntu |
| 02:50.53 | KotCzarny | yabbas, after editing that file you have to restart the service |
| 02:50.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:51.06 | KotCzarny | or just plug out/in :) |
| 02:51.09 | yabbas | KotCzarny, oh ffs :) |
| 02:51.19 | johnx | after editing that file just run ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 of course |
| 02:51.36 | yabbas | didn't _think_ he needed to restart the service/idown/up |
| 02:51.49 | KotCzarny | new day, new knowledge |
| 02:51.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:52.13 | yabbas | oh aye - thank you all! |
| 02:52.13 | johnx | yabbas, well you shouldn't have really. it works here pretty much automagically |
| 02:52.57 | yabbas | johnx, that's the thing. I edited interfaces, unplugged and replugged. it should have worked, ne? |
| 02:53.11 | johnx | yeah. that's what I would assume |
| 02:53.15 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 02:53.36 | KotCzarny | unless it didn't noticed unplyugging ;) |
| 02:53.41 | KotCzarny | (just kidding) |
| 02:53.43 | yabbas | true say |
| 02:53.51 | johnx | just for fun try ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.10 and see what happens |
| 02:54.08 | yabbas | does this look right? http://pastebin.com/d68e93c51 |
| 02:54.44 | yabbas | johnx, that's the line that worked earlier :) |
| 02:54.57 | yabbas | (didn't need up) |
| 02:55.03 | KotCzarny | run ifconfig |
| 02:55.06 | KotCzarny | and you will see |
| 02:55.08 | KotCzarny | if it worked |
| 02:55.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:55.16 | yabbas | it did, I managed to ssh ;) |
| 02:55.22 | johnx | aaah |
| 02:55.24 | KotCzarny | good |
| 02:55.24 | johnx | woo! |
| 02:55.26 | KotCzarny | have fun :) |
| 02:55.36 | KotCzarny | and still, i won the bet |
| 02:55.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:55.52 | johnx | :P mismatched IP != no ip at all |
| 02:56.20 | KotCzarny | ok, treat it as 'bad ips' |
| 02:56.30 | yabbas | johnx, do the lines in interfaces here look right? http://pastebin.com/d68e93c51 |
| 02:56.33 | KotCzarny | 0 is a number too |
| 02:56.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:56.54 | johnx | yabbas, I have it differently |
| 02:57.03 | yabbas | can ya pastebin yours please |
| 02:57.09 | johnx | I'll post the usb0 section from my interfaces in a sec |
| 02:57.13 | yabbas | ty |
| 02:57.24 | hrw|gone_ | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ |
| 02:57.26 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/m575e5ab4 |
| 02:58.02 | hrw|gone_ | it is mine way |
| 02:58.19 | yabbas | cheers hrw, will read it in a sec |
| 03:00.07 | hrw|gone | johnx: you do not have othher interfaces with nat - right? |
| 03:00.31 | johnx | actually I do |
| 03:00.32 | hrw|gone | those down lines... |
| 03:00.42 | johnx | yeah, those down lines would screw it up |
| 03:00.56 | johnx | I should probably yank them now that I've looked at it again |
| 03:01.10 | johnx | when I first added that I didn't have any other interfaces relying on NAT :) |
| 03:01.17 | hrw|gone | ;) |
| 03:01.38 | hrw|gone | usbnet suxx anyway |
| 03:01.58 | johnx | I never use it except for debugging wifi anyways |
| 03:01.59 | KotCzarny | nonet is worse |
| 03:01.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:02.25 | hrw|gone | KotCzarny: i have 6 usbnet devices here.. |
| 03:02.30 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:02.41 | johnx | O_o |
| 03:03.00 | yabbas | usbnet sucks, except when you need to recover :) |
| 03:03.02 | hrw|gone | not connected at same time ;) |
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| 03:04.13 | hrw|gone | it is hard to get which device is on usbX when more then one is connected |
| 03:04.33 | hrw|gone | especially with same ones.. |
| 03:05.02 | Navi | pupnik_, I've discovered perpetual motion |
| 03:06.00 | pupnik_ | ? |
| 03:06.45 | Navi | on numpty physics |
| 03:06.58 | pupnik_ | hwo? |
| 03:07.00 | pupnik_ | how |
| 03:07.29 | mikedep333 | can you guys send me a link to a pic of this program? |
| 03:08.08 | mikedep333 | nm |
| 03:08.12 | mikedep333 | http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 03:08.57 | pupnik_ | need mor levels |
| 03:09.11 | pupnik_ | i realized i could attach a line to the ball |
| 03:09.36 | mikedep333 | "Numpty Physics is released under the GPL with the hope that others with more spare time than myself will be able to .... and above all create more levels (using the built in editor)." |
| 03:10.51 | elb | oh bad ass, is that like that sketchpad physics thing that made the rounds a while back? |
| 03:10.54 | elb | I demand it |
| 03:11.33 | pupnik_ | it should be front page maemo.org really |
| 03:12.28 | elb | I'm getting it now |
| 03:12.31 | elb | with ACTIONS |
| 03:12.40 | Navi | swinging pendulum |
| 03:12.42 | elb | the first thing I said when I saw the crayon physics game was "I need that" |
| 03:13.02 | Navi | numpty isn't complete 'nuff to be front page material :P |
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| 03:13.21 | dererk | Hi! :D |
| 03:13.29 | m-c | elb: there is an open source version of that game now |
| 03:14.06 | shapr | Is there a btscanner package for OS2008? |
| 03:16.21 | pupnik_ | sweeeedish weeeemon! |
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| 03:18.51 | Navi | I played crayon physics on my friend's tablet laptop |
| 03:18.53 | Navi | twas fun |
| 03:19.31 | shapr | pupnik_: eh? |
| 03:19.56 | GAN800 | 'tis shapr! |
| 03:20.00 | pupnik_ | wemon! |
| 03:20.01 | shapr | Tis I! |
| 03:20.14 | GAN800 | <- GeneralAntilles |
| 03:20.16 | shapr | Aha! |
| 03:20.19 | shapr | Greetings GeneralAntilles |
| 03:20.28 | shapr | I just got a N800 on Tuesday. |
| 03:20.29 | GAN800 | You ever upgrade that 770? :P |
| 03:20.34 | GAN800 | Haha |
| 03:20.39 | GAN800 | 'grats |
| 03:20.45 | pupnik_ | i had a japanese friend who loved swedish women, and he'd pronounce it 'weemon!' |
| 03:20.45 | dererk | searching for OS2008 over n770 |
| 03:21.02 | shapr | And I purchased a Buglabs Bug yesterday, should be shipping to me soon. |
| 03:21.12 | pupnik_ | whats zthat |
| 03:21.19 | shapr | dererk: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html |
| 03:21.40 | shapr | pupnik_: It's something that's sort of like the Nokia Internet Tablet, from an entirely different company. |
| 03:21.54 | dererk | shapr, :D |
| 03:22.00 | dererk | shapr, thanks pal |
| 03:22.36 | GAN800 | The modular thing, right? |
| 03:22.36 | shapr | GAN800: Haven't seen you on any of the servers lately, where do you hang out? |
| 03:22.36 | shapr | GAN800: Yeah, that one. |
| 03:22.36 | GAN800 | Had a giant and exciting fallout on D*S |
| 03:22.36 | shapr | oh |
| 03:22.47 | GAN800 | on pure tremulous these days. |
| 03:22.50 | shapr | I just play on whatever server has the most players, that's not often D*S lately. |
| 03:22.53 | shapr | ah |
| 03:23.05 | GAN800 | Haven't been on in a few weeks, though. |
| 03:23.14 | shapr | Anyway, since I just got an N800, I want to get started developing for it. |
| 03:23.26 | GAN800 | Awesome! |
| 03:23.27 | shapr | Can someone point me to the directions for setting up a dev environment? |
| 03:23.50 | KotCzarny | maemo.org |
| 03:23.57 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_chinook_sdk.html |
| 03:24.10 | shapr | Excellent, thanks! |
| 03:25.10 | shapr | Is Apophis the same as the 1.99 deb in debian/unstable? |
| 03:25.17 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 03:25.25 | shapr | Cool, I'll try it. |
| 03:25.27 | KotCzarny | though new version is required |
| 03:25.35 | KotCzarny | read instal.txt for details |
| 03:25.52 | KotCzarny | apophis r4 |
| 03:25.55 | KotCzarny | or higher |
| 03:26.15 | shapr | Yeah, I just don't know if that means the scratchbox2 deb will work... |
| 03:26.26 | KotCzarny | i think it should |
| 03:26.51 | KotCzarny | i believe i have set up a target using debian's gcc package for sb |
| 03:26.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:27.07 | shapr | cool |
| 03:28.13 | hrw|gone | re |
| 03:28.14 | yabbas | hmm |
| 03:28.29 | KotCzarny | back to ff7, bbl |
| 03:28.32 | hrw|gone | my daughter finally sleeps |
| 03:29.14 | yabbas | so no_lg_reboots doesn't stop it from resetting after a while :( |
| 03:29.17 | dererk | Is scratchbox2 the WM of Maemo ? |
| 03:30.23 | dererk | oh, nm :-) |
| 03:31.49 | GAN800 | matchbox, dererk ;) |
| 03:32.28 | dererk | :-) |
| 03:35.25 | dererk | argjjjjj |
| 03:35.43 | GAN800 | Hit it with a stick! |
| 03:35.44 | dererk | I always have problems with tablets-dev nokia servers |
| 03:36.52 | GAN800 | dererk, do you have easy access to a windows machine or vm? |
| 03:37.13 | dererk | I would have to get an cd from somewhere |
| 03:37.19 | dererk | GAN800, why? |
| 03:37.32 | GAN800 | The caching network is slightly better utilized by the Windows flasher utility. |
| 03:37.42 | dererk | :-/ |
| 03:38.07 | GAN800 | If it's not easy, it's not worth your time, though. :P |
| 03:38.32 | dererk | I'm right now using tor to get in some why contact with servers |
| 03:38.42 | dererk | I always have problems with Nokia servers |
| 03:38.58 | GAN800 | Where are you located? |
| 03:38.59 | dererk | I'm starting to think it has problems with my ISP |
| 03:39.04 | dererk | GAN800, .AR |
| 03:40.46 | GAN800 | Hrm, dunno |
| 03:41.06 | GAN800 | Certain countries are specifically blocked by the akamai cache. |
| 03:41.18 | dererk | Yes, that seems to be the problem |
| 03:41.27 | dererk | Those bastards |
| 03:41.53 | dererk | you know how painful is to download 100mb at 15kb/s? |
| 03:42.01 | GAN800 | stage.maemo.org is a good way around the repository issue, but I'm not aware of any good tablets-dev mirrora |
| 03:42.27 | GAN800 | Blame bad governments. :P |
| 03:42.43 | dererk | unfortunatelly, the flashing BIN, is only at tablets-dev nokia server |
| 03:42.45 | GAN800 | OS2008 proper is on bt |
| 03:43.10 | GAN800 | Maybe you could talk somebody into mirroring the HE version for you. |
| 03:43.19 | johnx | provision equal parts blame to: akamai, nokia, and bureaucracy |
| 03:43.28 | dererk | johnx, Agreed |
| 03:43.41 | GAN800 | Nokia doesn't seem to care, it's mostly to satisfy licensing agreements. |
| 03:44.07 | dererk | yes, I understood that the other day I was around here too |
| 03:44.33 | dererk | cocksuckers |
| 03:44.37 | dererk | ups, sorry |
| 03:44.37 | GAN800 | Quim thanked the guys who put up the OS2008 mirrors in November. |
| 03:45.32 | johnx | gah...I need to get better hosting. O_o 6 days into April and I'm 1/5 of the way through my transfer quota |
| 03:46.16 | dererk | johnx, take out pr0n stuff and bandwith will automatically be enouth |
| 03:46.17 | dererk | :-P |
| 03:46.34 | johnx | thanks for the suggestion. :P |
| 03:46.45 | dererk | sorry, I need to take some ungry out of me |
| 03:46.48 | johnx | I think the big ticket item is the debian rootfs |
| 03:46.56 | dererk | i would explote otherwise |
| 03:47.17 | hrw|gone | -> sleep again |
| 03:47.37 | dererk | johnx, debian rootfs && hosting problems? |
| 03:47.41 | dererk | I don't get it, sorry |
| 03:48.05 | johnx | errr...I have a debian rootfs tarball for the N8x0 on my host, and it seems to be somewhat popular |
| 03:48.13 | johnx | too popular for my $5/month hosting plan :D |
| 03:48.15 | dererk | ahhhhh |
| 03:48.20 | dererk | ROTFL!!!!! |
| 03:48.25 | KotCzarny | johnx: sourceforge.net ? |
| 03:48.25 | dererk | hahahahahahah |
| 03:48.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:48.57 | johnx | maaaybe I'll try and find someplace to host me for as high as $7/month, but that's the limit |
| 03:49.26 | dererk | juaz |
| 03:51.10 | dererk | johnx, have you taken into account belnet? |
| 03:51.24 | dererk | they provide mirroring and so |
| 03:51.24 | johnx | belnet? |
| 03:51.28 | dererk | yes |
| 03:51.28 | johnx | googles |
| 03:51.37 | dererk | a kinda SF park |
| 03:51.46 | dererk | but at belgium :P |
| 03:53.30 | dererk | johnx, http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ |
| 03:53.44 | dererk | there is an email there too |
| 03:54.44 | johnx | I'll probably start by pulling the direct link to the debian rootfs now that it's mirrored by some other people and see if that's enough |
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| 04:23.12 | Italodance | hello |
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| 05:03.23 | pupnik_ | mypaint is so close to awesome |
| 05:03.24 | pupnik_ | "beginner's battle-axe" http://pupnik.de/bba01.jpg |
| 05:03.47 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:03.51 | KotCzarny | looks like a girl |
| 05:03.54 | KotCzarny | to me |
| 05:03.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:04.02 | pupnik_ | what else is worth drawing? |
| 05:04.06 | johnx | OMG, girls on the intarwebs?! |
| 05:04.25 | KotCzarny | i'm just looking for an axe |
| 05:04.27 | KotCzarny | in that pic |
| 05:04.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:04.36 | johnx | behind her back |
| 05:04.46 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 05:04.47 | johnx | she's about to swing it down through your brain-pan :) |
| 05:04.48 | KotCzarny | i see |
| 05:05.06 | KotCzarny | looked like a background at first |
| 05:05.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:05.40 | johnx | well, you learn what to look for after you have a couple girls come at you with a battle-axe... O_o |
| 05:05.55 | KotCzarny | i'm still alive |
| 05:05.57 | KotCzarny | though |
| 05:06.04 | KotCzarny | so it's not that bad i guess |
| 05:06.21 | pupnik_ | i've been attacked by a girl with a broomstick, fwiw |
| 05:06.38 | doc|home | witch! |
| 05:06.56 | KotCzarny | vibrating broomstick? |
| 05:07.55 | pupnik_ | no trying to club my noggin with it |
| 05:07.57 | KotCzarny | pupnik: nice pic, btw |
| 05:08.16 | pupnik_ | yeah i was following a tutorial. they help |
| 05:08.53 | pupnik_ | http://idrawgirls.com/ would you believe it, from here |
| 05:08.59 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 05:13.08 | pupnik_ | they're pretty scary good |
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| 06:09.25 | thux_n800 | is file command included in some maemo pacgage? |
| 06:10.32 | johnx | it's in the package named "file" :) |
| 06:10.43 | johnx | look on gronmayer.com/it for a repo that has it |
| 06:10.55 | johnx | debfarm.free.fr and repository.maemo.org seem to have it though |
| 06:11.56 | thux_n800 | ok thanks |
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| 06:20.39 | liri | is there a scratchbox iso/vmware image to get started fast on development? |
| 06:21.21 | johnx | yes...let me dig up a link to the current release |
| 06:22.07 | johnx | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 06:40.30 | liri | ahh great |
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| 07:49.38 | pupnik_ | dude mypaint needs an auto-save feature :/ |
| 07:49.55 | pupnik_ | losing work is highly de-motivational |
| 07:49.55 | johnx | did it crash on you? |
| 07:50.12 | pupnik_ | yeah more than a few times |
| 07:50.28 | johnx | ah, weak sauce |
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| 07:53.36 | pupnik_ | bah motivation is zero now |
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| 08:12.21 | doc|home | in fairness, it's mypaint |
| 08:12.36 | doc|home | mypaint!=photoshop by many many miles :) |
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| 09:44.55 | pupnik_ | anders_: you here? |
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| 09:45.42 | pupnik_ | take a look at an idea for a quikUI for mypaint .. http://pupnik.de/mypaint_quikUI_01anim.gif |
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| 10:12.35 | pupnik_ | anybody here good with Gimp? |
| 10:15.35 | WormFood | I'm good with cropping pictures with Gimp |
| 10:16.12 | pupnik_ | heh |
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| 11:09.10 | WormFood | I find it utterly amazing that bzip2/bunzip2 is not included by default with the N800 |
| 11:11.09 | MangoFusion | i find it utterly amazing that the kitchen sink isn't included by default with the N800 ;) |
| 11:12.12 | pupnik | or 'less' |
| 11:12.36 | WormFood | OMG! 'less' isn't there either?!? |
| 11:12.52 | pupnik | but guess what. normal users don't need it, and people who do can damn well install it themselves |
| 11:13.22 | WormFood | are there any "normal" n800 users out there? |
| 11:13.57 | pupnik | probably well over 90% of customers have no linux skills |
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| 11:14.46 | WormFood | probably well over 99.999% of the population has no linux skills :P |
| 11:15.20 | WormFood | the only reason I got the N800 is because it runs Linux (also the only reason I got a Zaurus too) |
| 11:15.49 | pupnik | right. so if you find you're missing something, then install it. |
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| 11:16.50 | WormFood | I would install bzip2, if I could find the package for it |
| 11:19.01 | WormFood | I should put an ad on craigslist and try to sell my n800, since they are not sold here, and very rare here. |
| 11:19.15 | WormFood | maybe I can actually get what I paid for it :D |
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| 11:24.24 | WormFood | great! it appears the elkins.org repository has the bzip2 package I need, but I can't connect to it :( |
| 11:24.56 | jott | tends to just build missing packages instead of adding a random repository |
| 11:26.17 | WormFood | it is a moot point jott, if I can't download the package, due to not being able to connect to the server |
| 11:27.25 | jott | well it also helps not to clutter your sources.list ;) |
| 11:27.43 | WormFood | that isn't the problem |
| 11:27.52 | jott | and when using sid sources you usually get a newer version ;) |
| 11:27.53 | WormFood | I can't even ping the server |
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| 11:30.00 | jott | actually bzip2 should also be in http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free |
| 11:30.55 | WormFood | I just setup my vpn and downloaded the package directly. |
| 11:31.17 | jaska | hitting the great wall again? |
| 11:31.44 | jott | WormFood: http://foo.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/b/bzip2/ |
| 11:32.18 | Italodance | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta8-maemo1_all.deb |
| 11:32.21 | Italodance | oh :D |
| 11:32.24 | WormFood | now that one I can reach...thanks |
| 11:35.02 | jott | WormFood: just replace repository. with holeindawall. in your sources.list then ;) |
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| 11:58.54 | lcuk | pupnik, i like your ui idea - when i saw the still version i thought it was gonna roll out all the way but yours is a bit more classy :) |
| 12:00.10 | lcuk | one question though, does the bottom black item hold the actual menu with options? (it doesnt expand in your preview) |
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| 13:27.28 | WormFood | this is crazy...can I not set the dictionary location with stardict? |
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| 13:41.48 | lopz | hi |
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| 14:18.53 | eichi | hello, i have some problems with the display light of my n800, it doenst shut down sometimes |
| 14:18.56 | eichi | i dont know wh |
| 14:18.56 | eichi | y |
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| 14:44.31 | konttori | has been testing out kde on the device. Seems pretty nice. Albeit far too slow for my taste. |
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| 14:47.29 | mikedep333 | kontorri: yeah, I heard it was overall good from the forums |
| 14:47.39 | mikedep333 | my main concern was the ram size |
| 14:48.51 | konttori | yeah, well, ram is sufficient for a few apps at the same time, but yeah, it's pushig it. |
| 14:49.10 | konttori | One really nice thing is that you can also run the kde apps in maemo once you have installed kde. |
| 14:49.18 | konttori | And *THAT* is really nice. |
| 14:49.24 | mikedep333 | oh, awesome |
| 14:49.41 | mikedep333 | one reason why I was thinking of installing kde |
| 14:49.44 | mikedep333 | is for krdc |
| 14:49.55 | liri | whats that? |
| 14:50.00 | mikedep333 | which preserves the top bar to let you switch out of it |
| 14:50.04 | mikedep333 | it is a VNC and RDP client |
| 14:50.10 | mikedep333 | RDP being microsoft remote desktop |
| 14:50.12 | liri | ahh nice |
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| 15:36.04 | ^Jsn^ | does anyone here use rdesktop? |
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| 16:05.21 | konttori | anyone used pluthon? |
| 16:06.19 | Ziegler | Anyone able to utilize a web cam on the n8*0 for comunication? |
| 16:07.10 | lcuk | i once reflected sunlight off it whilst stodd on a hilltop to one of my friends on the other side of the valley. but as for actually using it as a webcam i havent seen anything of note :P |
| 16:07.33 | megabyte405 | use the gizmo 4 beta |
| 16:10.36 | Ziegler | I have been trying gizmo4 but others using gizmo cant't answer my calls |
| 16:11.09 | Ziegler | Lcuk... Funny hehe |
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| 16:22.31 | jeff1f | you can try my gizmo @ jeffgrado |
| 16:23.02 | Ziegler | One sec... |
| 16:23.22 | jeff1f | I'm not sure if this is the beta though |
| 16:25.38 | jeff1f | oh blast, try again! |
| 16:25.43 | Ziegler | Ok |
| 16:25.51 | jeff1f | I didn't click fast enough |
| 16:26.49 | Ziegler | Shucks... Disconnected again |
| 16:27.00 | jeff1f | I heard hello, then got a media error |
| 16:27.07 | Ziegler | Did the web cam show up at all? |
| 16:27.11 | jeff1f | no |
| 16:27.22 | Ziegler | Bet that was the media error |
| 16:27.30 | Ziegler | Right as i tuned it on |
| 16:27.52 | jeff1f | I have 4.0 (v97) |
| 16:28.03 | Ziegler | Others i have attempted to call see the same error |
| 16:28.08 | jeff1f | oh |
| 16:28.13 | Ziegler | Let me reinstall gizmo |
| 16:28.14 | jeff1f | I can try to call you |
| 16:28.19 | Ziegler | Sure |
| 16:28.30 | jeff1f | what is your user name? |
| 16:28.35 | Ziegler | Adamziegler |
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| 16:29.48 | jeff1f | yeah, try to reinstall maybe |
| 16:30.00 | Ziegler | Ok one minute |
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| 16:35.18 | yllus | Has anyone played with iodine, the DNS tunnel program? |
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| 16:36.04 | Ziegler | Jeff might be a bandwidth issue |
| 16:36.35 | jeff1f | I'm on a slow dsl |
| 16:36.49 | Ziegler | Heh... Same here |
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| 16:37.16 | jeff1f | there was a green screen, so the camera channel was probably trying to do something |
| 16:39.34 | Ziegler | It would flash on for a bit... And then cut out... Sound went out while it was on also |
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| 16:43.31 | Ziegler | Anyone know of any webcam apps for the Nokia tablets... Thst can uloas pics to a server? |
| 16:43.40 | Ziegler | Upload* |
| 16:43.52 | johnx | yeah, I think it's called camera |
| 16:44.07 | Ziegler | (Man i have big thmbs) |
| 16:44.36 | Ziegler | looks for camera |
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| 16:45.28 | Ziegler | Ah.. I actaully have it installed |
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| 16:45.41 | johnx | maybe that's not the app I'm thinking of |
| 16:45.44 | johnx | goes searching |
| 16:47.10 | Ziegler | Yeah just takes pics |
| 16:48.26 | johnx | gps-camera ( https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-camera/ ) claims to do what you want but I've never tried it... |
| 16:48.38 | shapr | scratchbox is x32 only? |
| 16:49.00 | shapr | is unhappy |
| 16:49.09 | KotCzarny | vmware? |
| 16:49.16 | johnx | or 32bit chroot |
| 16:49.22 | KotCzarny | cheapo p3 box ? |
| 16:49.27 | Ziegler | Cool let me check it out |
| 16:49.30 | shapr | grumbles... |
| 16:49.30 | johnx | it's stuff like this that keeps me on a 32bit distro |
| 16:49.42 | shapr | I've been using pure x64 for about a year. |
| 16:49.45 | KotCzarny | shapr: you can always install gcc on IT |
| 16:49.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:49.57 | shapr | Um, on the tablet itself? |
| 16:50.01 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:50.11 | johnx | if you're patient |
| 16:50.11 | shapr | I dunno, build times might be a bit long. |
| 16:50.25 | johnx | heh...understatement of the century :) |
| 16:50.26 | KotCzarny | though cloning fs to mmc card is helpfull in disk space terms |
| 16:51.16 | shapr | johnx: Are there online directions for a 32bit chroot? |
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| 16:51.44 | johnx | I was kind of just thinking out loud... |
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| 16:53.06 | shapr | grumbles |
| 16:53.23 | KotCzarny | hum, hum |
| 16:53.32 | KotCzarny | aren't the sources available? |
| 16:53.33 | shapr | Isn't vmware commercial software? |
| 16:53.33 | lcuk | ok, can some one tell me which part of compiling on the NIT would be slow - it cant be the actual compilation - cpu is fast. is it the disk access times? |
| 16:53.39 | johnx | but I don't see any really unavoidable problems with just making a 32-bit chroot on your distro and installing scratchbox like normal |
| 16:53.49 | KotCzarny | can you compile scratchbox and gcc for x64 too? |
| 16:53.51 | shapr | I've never made a chroot. |
| 16:54.01 | johnx | shapr, which distro are you on? |
| 16:54.09 | shapr | debian/unstable x64 |
| 16:54.21 | KotCzarny | lcuk: memory limit |
| 16:54.28 | lcuk | shapr, yes vmware is commercial, but they have free vmware player |
| 16:54.28 | johnx | shapr, great. it's super easy then. just debootstrap |
| 16:54.32 | shapr | oh |
| 16:54.38 | lcuk | but i used to do compilation on less memory every day? |
| 16:54.45 | lcuk | large projects |
| 16:54.58 | KotCzarny | lcuk, then the only concern is flash wearout |
| 16:55.03 | KotCzarny | and limited /tmp |
| 16:55.07 | lcuk | my amiga had 1mb |
| 16:55.08 | johnx | probably smaller software though, right? |
| 16:55.11 | KotCzarny | it's 512kb by default |
| 16:55.26 | KotCzarny | don't know why they have limited it in initfs |
| 16:55.35 | johnx | because it eats RAM |
| 16:55.38 | lcuk | johnx, not really |
| 16:55.41 | KotCzarny | johnx: not true |
| 16:55.41 | Ziegler | Could use colinux for a vm |
| 16:55.47 | lcuk | the same amount of code goes into software today as it used to |
| 16:55.51 | KotCzarny | tmpfs allocates and frees memory dynamically |
| 16:55.56 | shapr | lcuk: There's more code. |
| 16:56.04 | shapr | lcuk: There are also more optimizations. |
| 16:56.17 | johnx | KotCzarny, isn't /tmp on a tmpfs? |
| 16:56.22 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 16:56.28 | KotCzarny | but limited to 512kb |
| 16:56.29 | lcuk | only if selected - if you are assuming everything is optimised by a program then thats your own problem ;) |
| 16:56.48 | johnx | right because if it was bigger things could eat that space and run you out of memory |
| 16:57.04 | lcuk | and the more code isnt true |
| 16:57.14 | KotCzarny | johnx, and right now if you run an app that needs more /tmp space will simply fail |
| 16:57.20 | johnx | exactly :) |
| 16:57.32 | KotCzarny | not quite what i would like to happen |
| 16:57.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:57.59 | johnx | but I'm sure there reasoning was that it's easier to tell people "you can't use more than x space in tmp because it's not there" rather than "please be nice and don't use too much /tmp" :) |
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| 16:58.23 | KotCzarny | but /tmp has it's function in *nix |
| 16:58.31 | KotCzarny | and shouldn't be limited |
| 16:58.32 | johnx | and lcuk, I find it very difficult to believe that software hasn't gotten bigger (in terms of LoC) since the Amiga days |
| 16:58.34 | KotCzarny | (too much) |
| 16:58.50 | KotCzarny | if they left it at default it wouldn't take more than now |
| 16:58.53 | KotCzarny | (of ram) |
| 16:58.58 | johnx | KotCzarny, I'm just telling you what I think their reasoning was, not whether I think it was a good idea :) |
| 16:59.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:00.36 | lcuk | johnx, most solutions on amiga require the same amount of code on todays devices as they did back then. sure a developer could choose to insert more functions and make it bigger, but they could back then. |
| 17:01.19 | KotCzarny | one word: embedded |
| 17:01.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:01.25 | lcuk | loadpic_lbm(filename); is about the same as todays loadpic_jpeg(filename) |
| 17:01.38 | lcuk | libraries more like |
| 17:01.47 | KotCzarny | remembers watching jpegs on a500 |
| 17:01.53 | KotCzarny | 'oh, it loads!' |
| 17:01.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:02.15 | johnx | well, we could do it that way, but obviously we don't as the support libs and lower level stuff (even the linux kernel) have grown even over the last 10 years that I've been watching them |
| 17:02.38 | lcuk | its a flower, *more lines*no wait its a bee *more lines* no wait its your mom *more lines* OMG what is she doing with that *more lines * ahhhhh! |
| 17:02.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:02.51 | shapr | johnx: Um, how do I use debootstrap to build a chroot? |
| 17:02.55 | shapr | feels clueless |
| 17:03.00 | KotCzarny | lcuk: something like that ;) |
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| 17:03.14 | lcuk | it was the same with gifs |
| 17:03.36 | KotCzarny | btw. anyone know how to send 'enter' to the hildon app without gtk or bringing up osk ? |
| 17:03.45 | KotCzarny | *knows |
| 17:04.01 | shapr | I'm thinking "cd /; mkdir /scratchboxroot; debootstrap sid /scratchboxroot; http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ # etc" right? |
| 17:04.45 | johnx | shapr, mostly right, but you want to specify the arch as i386 |
| 17:04.51 | shapr | ah |
| 17:04.53 | lcuk | johnx, the middle aged spread you see is not necessarily adding more core features, its making those features work on multiple architectures |
| 17:05.05 | lcuk | though obviously some is |
| 17:05.24 | johnx | but also adding more features and providing for letting programmers do things at a more abstract higher level |
| 17:05.42 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 17:05.47 | KotCzarny | thinks 'python' |
| 17:05.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:05.54 | KotCzarny | and 'java' too |
| 17:06.04 | johnx | and a lot of the stuff in libgtk is just new features :) |
| 17:06.13 | KotCzarny | before people are lazy |
| 17:06.14 | lcuk | of course - thats called making a library and has been around for ages |
| 17:06.16 | KotCzarny | most often |
| 17:06.25 | KotCzarny | *because |
| 17:06.36 | lcuk | remembers arexx fondly |
| 17:06.36 | shapr | yay, it's building! |
| 17:06.40 | shapr | I think... |
| 17:06.53 | johnx | shapr, you specified --arch i386? |
| 17:07.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:07.04 | lcuk | linked together his drawing program with his opus program and made bigger tolls |
| 17:07.10 | lcuk | tools even |
| 17:08.07 | johnx | actually a good example is that over the last 10 years the size of a *compiled linux kernel for x86* has more than doubled even though more things are separated into modules |
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| 17:08.46 | KotCzarny | johnx: features |
| 17:08.54 | KotCzarny | you still can run 1.3 kernel |
| 17:08.58 | lcuk | but you compile in the options you want. if you want to use it on more restricted hardware you do not compile in those modules |
| 17:08.59 | KotCzarny | (probably) |
| 17:09.21 | KotCzarny | you want netfilter? you pay the price |
| 17:09.23 | KotCzarny | etc. |
| 17:09.52 | johnx | they've added more code to the scheduler as well, but it *works better* now |
| 17:09.53 | lcuk | anyway, yes more code has been written i am not denying that. but i was asking why it was a problem now to compile on the device versus compiling on my amiga. |
| 17:10.17 | johnx | because the software for the n8x0 is bigger than the software for your amiga |
| 17:11.07 | lcuk | no its not |
| 17:11.31 | lcuk | i had 5 years of cruft in my code on amiga and it compiled fine - ive got 2 months on this and i was asking if it would be ok |
| 17:12.12 | johnx | ah, ok, in your specific case? |
| 17:12.15 | johnx | fair enough |
| 17:12.38 | johnx | still, how much are you including from other bigger libs? |
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| 17:13.37 | johnx | I was somehow under the impression that you were trying to convince me that Linux+Hildon+Maemo for the tablet was somehow the same number of LoC as AmigaOS :) |
| 17:14.11 | Navi | pupnik, I'd prefer just the hildon color picker over your concept |
| 17:14.18 | KotCzarny | it's like saying amigaos 1.3 has the same loc as amigaos 4 |
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| 17:14.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:15.51 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 17:17.03 | shapr | johnx: Yeah, I did. |
| 17:17.14 | johnx | good :) |
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| 17:17.51 | KotCzarny | hmm, anyone has a knowledge of hildon? |
| 17:17.58 | dieman | too bad i need to have a linux box around to have any fun with the sdk |
| 17:17.58 | shapr | Paris Hildon? |
| 17:18.03 | dieman | wont be able to work on it away from home |
| 17:18.05 | dieman | oh well |
| 17:18.11 | KotCzarny | that would be another channel |
| 17:18.11 | shapr | The famous open source dilettante? |
| 17:18.18 | KotCzarny | and spelling error too |
| 17:18.20 | lcuk | wonders why anyone would want to recompile everything every time anyway - no matter how big the total project would be it would be very rare that you would recompile everything |
| 17:18.22 | shapr | snickers |
| 17:18.24 | dieman | watches scratchbox install |
| 17:18.44 | shapr | Ok, now what do I do with this chroot? |
| 17:18.47 | johnx | dieman, maemo sdk on vmware? |
| 17:19.01 | dieman | dunno, im not a fan of vmware much, but i guess, sigh |
| 17:19.10 | dieman | i'll work with it on my home box a bit first |
| 17:19.12 | dieman | then perhaps do it |
| 17:19.21 | Navi | or you could install Ubuntu on Windows or something. |
| 17:19.24 | dieman | i've only got 14gb free on my laptop disk :) |
| 17:19.26 | dieman | <-- osx user |
| 17:19.30 | Navi | Oh, pfft |
| 17:19.32 | dieman | ahaha |
| 17:19.43 | dieman | here to make your live miserable by being the 5% or so |
| 17:19.46 | dieman | or perhaps less |
| 17:19.58 | Ziegler | Use colinux or virtualbox |
| 17:20.01 | dieman | i really need to clean up this disk |
| 17:20.07 | Navi | I think they've doubled that in the last few years |
| 17:20.20 | dieman | i'd probally just get a copy of vmware fusion |
| 17:20.22 | dieman | and run ubuntu on it |
| 17:20.41 | johnx | lcuk, heh...yeah, it's not exactly my idea of a good time, but there are reasons to do it, such as someone not having the version you want compiled for the arch you want |
| 17:21.05 | Navi | Well, watching text scroll for hours on end is fun |
| 17:21.20 | Navi | that's the best reason to recompile everything over again |
| 17:21.23 | lcuk | yer i know - its gentoo thats full source isnt it? |
| 17:21.26 | dieman | jeez scratchbox is huge |
| 17:21.28 | johnx | as long as it's on someone elses' box :D |
| 17:21.54 | johnx | lcuk, yup. but also OpenEmbedded |
| 17:22.12 | johnx | and there are very good reasons for that being source only |
| 17:22.27 | Navi | Gentoo used to have a good reason |
| 17:22.39 | Navi | not really anymore |
| 17:22.50 | johnx | it still does kinda, but it's a tradeoff |
| 17:22.53 | lcuk | i dont doubt it. anyway t time |
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| 17:22.54 | shapr | johnx: Ok, um, now what? |
| 17:23.06 | KotCzarny | shapr: profit! |
| 17:23.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:23.11 | johnx | try and chroot into your new chroot |
| 17:23.19 | johnx | chroot /path/to/it |
| 17:23.23 | johnx | (as root) |
| 17:23.32 | dieman | starts cleaning out his homedirectory |
| 17:23.40 | Navi | Mine is a mess |
| 17:24.02 | johnx | my home is clean, it's all the sub directories under it that are a mess :D |
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| 17:26.40 | shapr | Ok, I'm in the chroot.... |
| 17:27.00 | johnx | ok, now follow the normal scratchbox install directions in there |
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| 17:27.06 | shapr | ok |
| 17:27.23 | johnx | and if you run into problems, at least you didn't hose your real OS :) |
| 17:27.35 | shapr | hmm |
| 17:27.42 | shapr | It still thinks it's not a 32bit arch. |
| 17:27.58 | johnx | file /bin/ls |
| 17:28.21 | shapr | 32-bit |
| 17:28.25 | shapr | hmm |
| 17:28.33 | KotCzarny | maybe some env variable? |
| 17:28.35 | johnx | maybe it checks in a dumb way? |
| 17:28.42 | shapr | uname -a says x86_64 |
| 17:28.47 | KotCzarny | fake it |
| 17:28.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:28.51 | shapr | How? |
| 17:29.09 | johnx | in your chroot, replace uname with something that lies |
| 17:29.12 | KotCzarny | echo "echo x86" >/bin/uname |
| 17:29.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:29.15 | johnx | or hack the install script to not care |
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| 17:33.27 | shapr | Ok, I'll try it. |
| 17:34.32 | KotCzarny | otoh, if it's a x86_64 then probably you can run some virtual machine on it? |
| 17:34.45 | KotCzarny | in 32bit mode? |
| 17:35.02 | johnx | yeah, vmware should be pretty fast in that situation |
| 17:35.11 | KotCzarny | no, no vmware |
| 17:35.20 | KotCzarny | there are kvm maybe? |
| 17:35.23 | johnx | but chroot is the minimum effort for the maximum speed |
| 17:35.34 | KotCzarny | (without 'there are') |
| 17:35.46 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 17:35.53 | johnx | KotCzarny, "I can has kvmzzzz?" |
| 17:36.33 | KotCzarny | throws johnx's a bit-treat |
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| 17:58.35 | shapr | argh, too much stuff to fake |
| 17:58.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:59.01 | KotCzarny | get a cheapo p3 box |
| 17:59.12 | KotCzarny | on CL you can get them for 10$ |
| 17:59.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:59.52 | shapr | grumbles |
| 18:00.07 | KotCzarny | or some shell account |
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| 18:00.21 | shapr | Hm, my colo is probably 32 bit. |
| 18:00.33 | shapr | Still, my desktop is a dual core with 4gb of ram, I'd like to develop here. |
| 18:00.35 | KotCzarny | though qemu needs vdso disabled |
| 18:00.52 | KotCzarny | shapr: install 32bit kernel? |
| 18:01.46 | KotCzarny | shapr, Xen ? |
| 18:01.54 | shapr | Yeah, Xen sounds like a good option. |
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| 18:02.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:02.05 | shapr | Thanks |
| 18:02.08 | KotCzarny | np |
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| 18:12.45 | solmumaha | anyone want xmms2? |
| 18:12.58 | KotCzarny | so many deps |
| 18:12.59 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 18:13.18 | solmumaha | not that many |
| 18:13.29 | KotCzarny | last time i checked i have said 'nah' |
| 18:13.34 | KotCzarny | because of the count |
| 18:13.39 | solmumaha | mainly vorbis |
| 18:14.08 | solmumaha | well i packaged it myself so 3 + vorbis/mad |
| 18:14.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:14.42 | KotCzarny | vorbis/mad is included in extras |
| 18:14.45 | KotCzarny | so i don't count them |
| 18:14.45 | solmumaha | quickly hildonized gxmms2 too |
| 18:14.56 | solmumaha | k, 3 then |
| 18:15.04 | KotCzarny | solmumaha: is there a holdonizing howto ? |
| 18:15.14 | KotCzarny | hildonizing |
| 18:15.46 | solmumaha | well there are good docs at maemo.org |
| 18:16.08 | freelikegnu | the old beep-media-player is good, and works nice with a2dp |
| 18:16.14 | Ziegler | Look under the tutorials |
| 18:16.21 | KotCzarny | docs, heh |
| 18:16.26 | freelikegnu | (not bmp2) |
| 18:16.33 | johnx | I'd be interested in the debs for xmms2, but I won't try them until tomorrow |
| 18:16.48 | solmumaha | xmms2 is nice because you can control different machines with the same client |
| 18:16.59 | solmumaha | or control your tablet from your desktop |
| 18:17.17 | solmumaha | and it has nice transports too |
| 18:18.36 | KotCzarny | solmumaha, you know hildon well, can i ask you a quick question? |
| 18:18.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:18.50 | solmumaha | haha, i don't |
| 18:18.56 | KotCzarny | anyway |
| 18:18.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:18.58 | solmumaha | but shoot |
| 18:19.22 | KotCzarny | how do i send 'enter key' message to hildon app? (using bare x event, not gtk) |
| 18:19.48 | KotCzarny | the only piece of code i have found so far is only for receiving |
| 18:19.51 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.59 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.12 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.55 | solmumaha | hmm |
| 18:22.57 | solmumaha | why don't you use gtk? |
| 18:23.15 | KotCzarny | because this app doesn't use gtk |
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| 18:23.56 | solmumaha | virtual keyboard? |
| 18:24.01 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 18:24.23 | solmumaha | or different app you are working on? |
| 18:24.27 | KotCzarny | xvkbd |
| 18:24.30 | KotCzarny | to be specific |
| 18:24.38 | solmumaha | yes, i tried that |
| 18:24.57 | solmumaha | doesn't work with hildon apps? |
| 18:25.01 | KotCzarny | works |
| 18:25.10 | KotCzarny | but hildon apps use hildon-im |
| 18:25.15 | KotCzarny | (input method plugin) |
| 18:25.27 | KotCzarny | and some keys get eaten by it |
| 18:25.38 | KotCzarny | 'return' for example brings up osk |
| 18:25.59 | KotCzarny | for terminal apps one can use ctrl-m as a temp. measure |
| 18:28.47 | solmumaha | well i haven't messed with hildon-im, so can't really help you |
| 18:29.00 | solmumaha | can you disable it somehow when the app is running? |
| 18:29.14 | keesj | KotCzarny, I think you need to run the im-switch to change the behaviour |
| 18:29.35 | KotCzarny | keesj: will it affect all apps? |
| 18:30.06 | KotCzarny | solmumaha: run xterm, run xkbd/xvkbd, you will see |
| 18:30.18 | keesj | I think is depends |
| 18:30.58 | keesj | I use dto use it to connect my serial bt keyboard |
| 18:31.28 | keesj | (sorry I have a very laggy connection atm) so I can not wait for thehe text to be there |
| 18:31.40 | KotCzarny | keesj: |
| 18:31.41 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# which im-switch |
| 18:31.41 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# |
| 18:31.44 | solmumaha | KotCzarny: fixed it |
| 18:31.54 | solmumaha | :) |
| 18:31.59 | KotCzarny | solmumaha: how? |
| 18:32.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:32.13 | solmumaha | insmod joydev.ko |
| 18:32.16 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 18:32.48 | KotCzarny | now that's a hack ;) |
| 18:32.53 | solmumaha | :) |
| 18:32.54 | keesj | maemo-gtk-im-switch |
| 18:33.30 | keesj | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/ use "xim" x input method |
| 18:33.55 | keesj | I also had the same problems when connecting using synergy btw |
| 18:35.23 | KotCzarny | -sh: maemo-gtk-im-switch: not found |
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| 18:35.30 | KotCzarny | is it 770 specific? |
| 18:35.34 | KotCzarny | or external app? |
| 18:36.09 | keesj | perhaps it is called gtk-im-swtich.. it is not external |
| 18:36.17 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 18:36.49 | KotCzarny | hildon-im-xkbtool ? |
| 18:36.53 | KotCzarny | hildon-input-method ? |
| 18:36.56 | KotCzarny | hildon-input-method-configurator ? |
| 18:36.58 | jott | KotCzarny: have you tried using KP_Enter instead of Return (or vice versa)? |
| 18:37.04 | KotCzarny | jott: yes |
| 18:37.08 | KotCzarny | same effect |
| 18:37.26 | jott | well get a n810 no troubles here with osk ;) |
| 18:37.32 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 18:37.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:37.41 | jott | no osk no trouble ;) |
| 18:38.01 | jott | can't you just disable the hildon im? |
| 18:38.05 | KotCzarny | how? |
| 18:38.16 | jott | globally in settings |
| 18:38.22 | KotCzarny | where? |
| 18:38.43 | KotCzarny | last time i checked there wasn't an option for that |
| 18:38.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:39.33 | jott | hm disable "stylus input methods" and "launch finger keyboard" ? don't know.. |
| 18:39.47 | KotCzarny | screenshot pls |
| 18:39.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:39.55 | KotCzarny | and no |
| 18:39.55 | jott | control panel -> text input |
| 18:40.06 | jott | gconf .. |
| 18:40.07 | KotCzarny | i have tried all things there |
| 18:40.18 | KotCzarny | cmd line? |
| 18:40.29 | jott | at least on n810 it is disabled so there has to be a way .. |
| 18:40.49 | KotCzarny | hmm, using: hildon-input-method-configurator xim |
| 18:40.52 | KotCzarny | worked |
| 18:41.03 | KotCzarny | at least to the point that it doesn't bring osk up |
| 18:41.09 | KotCzarny | but enter is still eaten |
| 18:41.55 | jott | set /apps/osso/inputmethod/have-internal-keyboard to true? ;) |
| 18:42.37 | solmumaha | KotCzarny: stop wasting time, i can give you joydev.ko :p |
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| 18:43.22 | KotCzarny | solmumaha: asking user to insmod a kernel module isn't quite a right way :) |
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| 18:43.40 | KotCzarny | jott: what's the exact cmd line? |
| 18:43.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:43.48 | jott | gconftool-2 --help-all ;) |
| 18:43.51 | solmumaha | just sudo your script and bundle it |
| 18:44.15 | jott | so gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/have-internal-keyboard -t bool true |
| 18:44.16 | jott | or so |
| 18:44.58 | KotCzarny | jott, still eaten |
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| 18:45.20 | jott | hm only by hildon apps? |
| 18:45.31 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 18:46.01 | KotCzarny | aterm doesn't have such problem |
| 18:46.53 | jott | hm input_method_plugin = 001_hildon_western_hwr ? |
| 18:47.12 | KotCzarny | hildon-input-method-configurator 001_hildon_western_hwr ? |
| 18:47.29 | jott | gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/inputmethod/input_method_plugin |
| 18:47.36 | jott | and set with -t string |
| 18:47.40 | jott | or use an other tool |
| 18:47.41 | KotCzarny | jott, can you run xev and paste me result of pressing hw enter? |
| 18:48.00 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/inputmethod/input_method_plugin |
| 18:48.00 | KotCzarny | 000_hildon_western_vkb |
| 18:48.12 | jott | maybe set it to hwr? |
| 18:48.19 | jott | or 001_* |
| 18:48.33 | KotCzarny | still eaten |
| 18:48.54 | jott | http://pastebin.com/m80b8e27 enter and return (kp_enter is the return key and return is the d-pad center) |
| 18:49.25 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:49.31 | KotCzarny | but xev isn't hildonized |
| 18:49.41 | jott | no |
| 18:49.55 | KotCzarny | so it may not run into h-i-m |
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| 18:52.44 | KotCzarny | hwr way will probably work |
| 18:52.55 | KotCzarny | but i guess there's another setting for it |
| 18:53.05 | jott | hal? :) |
| 18:53.21 | KotCzarny | how can i list /apps/osso/inputmethod/ ? |
| 18:53.29 | jott | -R |
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| 18:53.47 | KotCzarny | gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod ? |
| 18:53.50 | jott | yes |
| 18:54.21 | jott | apt-get source hildon-input-method? |
| 18:54.58 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 18:55.07 | KotCzarny | let's see |
| 18:55.07 | jott | rtfs :) |
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| 18:56.22 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.22 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.23 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.23 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.23 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.30 | KotCzarny | so it should work after selecting hwr |
| 18:56.38 | KotCzarny | but it doesn't, hum |
| 18:56.50 | jott | maybe its not properly integrated |
| 18:57.03 | jott | (i.e. kill -HUP or something as it doesnt listen on gconf changes) |
| 18:57.31 | KotCzarny | but on 810 sliding doesn't require a reboot |
| 18:57.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:58.43 | jott | but it will not update the gconf.. this might be set somewhere sooner?! |
| 18:58.47 | jott | just blind guesses |
| 18:58.54 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 18:59.22 | KotCzarny | can you check somehow what happens on kb slide on 810? |
| 18:59.47 | jott | keyboard was closed here all the time .. :) |
| 18:59.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:02.55 | KotCzarny | Configuring Hildon Input Method |
| 19:02.55 | KotCzarny | root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:02.56 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:03.38 | jott | beware! nokia will haunt you! |
| 19:03.54 | KotCzarny | my root will be haunted, oh noes! |
| 19:05.23 | lcuk | the old nokia phone in your drawer will float around your house with a sheet on its head going woooooooooooo! |
| 19:05.44 | qwerty12_N800 | ai!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:07.16 | shapr | Yay, with enough poking, the install script is downloading! |
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| 19:08.42 | KotCzarny | pokes shapr |
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| 19:10.00 | shapr | cheers |
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| 19:13.27 | dieman | ok |
| 19:13.31 | dieman | wrong chan |
| 19:13.44 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
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| 19:25.09 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 19:25.24 | KotCzarny | now i have still nonworking enter and disabled osk |
| 19:25.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:26.17 | jott | just stop using hildonized apps |
| 19:26.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:26.46 | KotCzarny | tell me, how do i set n800 no-hw-kbd ? |
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| 19:28.53 | jott | KotCzarny: hm no idea - debian needed /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi .. maybe you can tweak this ;) |
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| 19:33.45 | KotCzarny | who has n800? |
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| 19:34.12 | KotCzarny | preferably virgin one |
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| 19:42.19 | doc|home | KotCzarny: I do |
| 19:42.22 | doc|home | virginish |
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| 19:42.32 | KotCzarny | great |
| 19:42.34 | doc|home | (once got felt up in the back of a car) |
| 19:42.40 | KotCzarny | can you pastebin.com output of: gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod |
| 19:42.57 | doc|home | give me a minute, need to boot it up |
| 19:43.02 | KotCzarny | np |
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| 19:47.30 | doc|home | KotCzarny: I have no /apps but I have apps/ but no osso |
| 19:47.40 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:47.42 | KotCzarny | os2008 ? |
| 19:47.58 | doc|home | yep |
| 19:48.02 | KotCzarny | weird |
| 19:48.10 | doc|home | this week's update too, which is why it's virginish |
| 19:49.16 | KotCzarny | i should have made an backup of gconf / |
| 19:49.39 | doc|home | ok, back later |
| 19:49.46 | KotCzarny | thx anyway |
| 19:50.22 | lcuk | looks over at kot and :Ps at him for not treading carefully and not taking backups |
| 19:50.41 | KotCzarny | lcuk, you have n800 ? |
| 19:50.48 | lcuk | no unfortunately 810 here |
| 19:50.54 | KotCzarny | humm |
| 19:50.59 | lcuk | i woulda tried for you before now |
| 19:51.01 | KotCzarny | still, i can use you |
| 19:51.13 | lcuk | be gentle, what ya need |
| 19:51.16 | KotCzarny | can you poste that gconf listing after hiding hw kb? |
| 19:51.26 | KotCzarny | *paste |
| 19:51.40 | lcuk | same thing you asked doc to try: gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod ? |
| 19:51.46 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:51.59 | lcuk | ok will do with kb open and kb closed :) |
| 19:52.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:52.13 | KotCzarny | you can omit localized tail |
| 19:52.26 | lcuk | ? what you mean |
| 19:52.40 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.02 | jott | KotCzarny: it's the same :/ |
| 19:53.12 | KotCzarny | jott: hmm ? |
| 19:53.29 | jott | diff before after => nothing |
| 19:53.38 | jott | (before keyboard open after closed) |
| 19:53.49 | KotCzarny | humm |
| 19:54.13 | KotCzarny | weird |
| 19:54.31 | KotCzarny | i believe it should enable osk input plugin when hwk is closed |
| 19:54.38 | KotCzarny | or i'm getting it wrong? |
| 19:55.18 | jott | no i never seen any osk input plugin ;) |
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| 19:55.31 | KotCzarny | jott: so on 810 there's no osk? |
| 19:55.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:55.36 | jott | what for? ;) |
| 19:55.45 | KotCzarny | for backup? |
| 19:55.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:55.52 | jott | you can enable this finger tap thingie.. |
| 19:55.53 | KotCzarny | if hwk dies :) |
| 19:56.18 | jott | well if this happens i will walk the reverse route of yours once you found out ;> |
| 19:56.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:56.33 | jott | or just use xvkb ;) |
| 19:56.40 | KotCzarny | no you won't |
| 19:56.42 | lcuk | the gconf info is just the configuration |
| 19:56.43 | KotCzarny | remember? |
| 19:56.51 | KotCzarny | no 'enter' with hildonized apps |
| 19:56.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:57.06 | lcuk | it doesnt list current actual in use live variables, just settings from what i see |
| 19:57.08 | KotCzarny | i have tried xkbd and it behaves as xvkbd |
| 19:57.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:59.08 | lcuk | http://pastebin.com/d517f6595 |
| 19:59.39 | lcuk | (you have to look at the gb section to get my current user preferences |
| 19:59.58 | lcuk | so asking to ignore those would be bad if it was for some real reason :P |
| 20:00.23 | KotCzarny | its only for dictionary mode |
| 20:00.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:00.35 | KotCzarny | not related to my problem |
| 20:00.45 | jott | but lcuk has "input_method_plugin = 000_hildon_western_vkb" hm :) |
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| 20:00.55 | shapr | Ok, I have scratchbox installed, I think. |
| 20:01.06 | KotCzarny | scratches shapr with a box |
| 20:01.18 | shapr | Yay, scratch my coding itch! |
| 20:01.21 | shapr | Aaanyway.... |
| 20:01.34 | shapr | How do I start scratchbox now? I used to remember how to do this. |
| 20:01.39 | KotCzarny | now install sdk |
| 20:01.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:01.47 | KotCzarny | point 3 in that install.txt |
| 20:01.50 | shapr | Hm, I think it is installed. |
| 20:01.52 | shapr | I ran the script. |
| 20:01.56 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 20:02.21 | shapr | Oh, maybe not |
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| 20:02.46 | KotCzarny | there are 2 scripts |
| 20:02.51 | KotCzarny | 1 for sb itself |
| 20:02.55 | KotCzarny | 2 for sdk |
| 20:03.05 | KotCzarny | there's also third for nokia binaries |
| 20:04.02 | KotCzarny | btw. see point 3.2 |
| 20:04.07 | KotCzarny | for manual install |
| 20:04.35 | KotCzarny | it's also useful if one wants to add another toolchain |
| 20:06.02 | Ziegler | Is it possible to hook up a nokia tablet to a computer via usb an access internet on the tablet? |
| 20:06.14 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:06.40 | Ziegler | What needs to be done... In brief |
| 20:06.41 | KotCzarny | but it will need some cmdline magic |
| 20:06.49 | Ziegler | Thats ok |
| 20:07.10 | KotCzarny | probably inserting usbnet module |
| 20:07.11 | lcuk | Ziegler, as you may understand it would be simpler if you could get a wifi dongle from somewhere. the road to usb networking is a bit windy |
| 20:07.14 | KotCzarny | and configuring interface |
| 20:07.30 | jott | +lucky chinook usb network |
| 20:07.32 | dtahtbot | jott: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking/ |
| 20:07.39 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 20:07.49 | KotCzarny | it's the first time this bot is useful |
| 20:07.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:07.53 | Ziegler | Looking |
| 20:08.30 | jott | it also helps to find xchat ;) |
| 20:08.34 | jott | +lucky xchat chinook |
| 20:08.36 | dtahtbot | jott: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 20:08.48 | KotCzarny | +lucky pr0n |
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| 20:08.49 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet |
| 20:09.08 | KotCzarny | +lucky tits |
| 20:09.10 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: http://www.yobt.com/ |
| 20:09.26 | KotCzarny | erm.. |
| 20:09.38 | KotCzarny | ok, i can't say i didn't asked for it |
| 20:09.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:09.58 | Ziegler | That works ay? |
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| 20:11.06 | lcuk | sings |
| 20:11.11 | lcuk | The internet is for porn |
| 20:12.03 | keesj | and geeks |
| 20:12.25 | remicles | does anyone here have any experience with programming sound with OSS in OS2008? is it possible? |
| 20:12.34 | KotCzarny | oss ? |
| 20:12.38 | KotCzarny | as in open sound system? |
| 20:12.41 | remicles | yeah |
| 20:12.51 | KotCzarny | i have managed to run esddsp |
| 20:12.52 | remicles | googling OSS is a pain too :) |
| 20:13.14 | KotCzarny | but by default oss isn't working |
| 20:13.23 | remicles | ok |
| 20:13.23 | KotCzarny | go for alsa/esd/gst |
| 20:13.36 | KotCzarny | but i would advise gst (gstreamer) |
| 20:14.11 | remicles | ok |
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| 20:17.41 | remicles | i was hoping that oss would be possible, since all i want to do is capture speex files from the mic, and then play them back. |
| 20:18.01 | KotCzarny | you can use gst probably |
| 20:18.22 | KotCzarny | i think someone wrote speex plugin for it |
| 20:18.39 | remicles | alright, i'll take a look |
| 20:19.20 | Ziegler | Recorder doesnt do that? |
| 20:19.36 | KotCzarny | not in speex format |
| 20:19.38 | KotCzarny | i believe |
| 20:20.13 | KotCzarny | remicles: i think gstreamer + pygtk will get you rolling fast :) |
| 20:20.17 | Ziegler | Right you are |
| 20:20.37 | Ziegler | Pcm, wav, ilib |
| 20:20.54 | remicles | i'm prototyping an embedded device that will do the same thing, so I'm avoiding anything too advanced (like gst) |
| 20:21.01 | remicles | and i'm working with C |
| 20:21.39 | remicles | but since I doubt i'll actually end up building the device, I might just go with gst anways |
| 20:26.43 | Ziegler | Internet over bluetooth connection on a laptop? |
| 20:26.50 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:27.16 | Ziegler | Windows laptop? |
| 20:27.25 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 20:29.00 | Ziegler | Pan driver in windows |
| 20:29.23 | Ziegler | Opps.. Wrong window |
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| 20:36.27 | Ziegler | newwggs wifi dongle ;-) |
| 20:36.40 | Ziegler | Newegg* |
| 20:39.33 | KotCzarny | wifi router |
| 20:39.41 | KotCzarny | even better |
| 20:42.24 | Tama^2 | Hello everyone |
| 20:43.16 | Proteous | newwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgggggss |
| 20:44.26 | Ziegler | Any use a usb wifi adapter? |
| 20:44.32 | Proteous | for what? |
| 20:44.53 | Ziegler | For connecting a laptop or tablet to the internet? |
| 20:45.25 | Proteous | you have a laptop without wifi built in? |
| 20:45.27 | Proteous | crazy |
| 20:45.41 | Ziegler | No... Other way |
| 20:45.44 | yllus | I've set my g/f up with a USB wifi adapter after her internal card died |
| 20:45.58 | yllus | Other way? You have wifi without a laptop built in? |
| 20:46.02 | Proteous | heh |
| 20:46.06 | Ziegler | Lol |
| 20:46.13 | Proteous | I'd get a cheap wifi equiped router |
| 20:46.25 | Proteous | then you don't have to keep your computer on |
| 20:47.08 | Ziegler | I am looking for a portable solution to use internet tablet on the internet when a wifi source is not available |
| 20:47.46 | KotCzarny | there are portable wifi routers too |
| 20:48.20 | Ziegler | Hmm |
| 20:49.11 | Ziegler | Anyone have much experience with them? |
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| 20:54.54 | yllus | Is a BT connection to a cell phone an option? |
| 20:55.59 | BugBlue | Ziegler: yes |
| 20:56.09 | BugBlue | uses a Nokia E51 with HSDPA mobile internet |
| 20:56.12 | BugBlue | (europe) |
| 20:56.19 | BugBlue | up to 3.6Mbit which works pretty well |
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| 20:57.09 | Ziegler | Oops |
| 20:57.36 | Ziegler | Cell phone not an option |
| 20:58.02 | BugBlue | using a cell phone as AP? |
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| 20:58.47 | Ziegler | No cell |
| 20:58.58 | Ziegler | :-) |
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| 20:59.19 | Ziegler | That would be the way to do it though |
| 21:05.06 | Proteous | one of the smallest wifi routers is the apple airport extreme |
| 21:05.24 | Proteous | plugs right into the wall like a power brick |
| 21:05.33 | KotCzarny | but quite expensive too |
| 21:05.36 | KotCzarny | because it's apple |
| 21:05.54 | Proteous | it's about the same as the other compact wifi routers |
| 21:06.12 | KotCzarny | how much? |
| 21:06.14 | Proteous | not as cheap as a cheapo nomral wifi router |
| 21:06.22 | Spakman_ | what does "Hildonizing a menu mean"? |
| 21:06.24 | Proteous | $99 I belive |
| 21:06.51 | KotCzarny | spakman: it means that there will be menu active on the left from statusbar icons |
| 21:06.59 | KotCzarny | *to the left |
| 21:07.12 | KotCzarny | proteous: as i said, quite |
| 21:07.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:07.21 | Spakman_ | KotCzarny: so you can switch applications? |
| 21:07.30 | shapr | Ok, since I can't seem to get scratchbox working... Can I do python dev on the device itself? |
| 21:07.40 | KotCzarny | spakman: just run maemo mapper or something |
| 21:07.46 | Proteous | I didn't say it was cheap, I said it was small :P |
| 21:07.49 | Spakman_ | KotCzarny: ideal, thanks :) |
| 21:07.50 | KotCzarny | and it's that tab over the window |
| 21:08.34 | Ziegler | Thanks Proteous |
| 21:09.12 | KotCzarny | btw. there was someone who had problems with ape and n8x0 |
| 21:09.23 | KotCzarny | so maybe getting a travel linksys is better option |
| 21:09.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:09.35 | shapr | I haven't seen a QR code reader yet... I found a Python lib, but it wraps a C++ lib.. *grumble* |
| 21:09.51 | Proteous | there was someone who had problems getting their n8*0 out of the box, so I would go with the 770 |
| 21:10.28 | KotCzarny | shapr: probably |
| 21:10.44 | KotCzarny | define 'python dev' |
| 21:10.54 | shapr | I want to build python applications for my N800. |
| 21:11.13 | KotCzarny | notepad? |
| 21:11.15 | KotCzarny | or whole ide? |
| 21:11.18 | shapr | shrugs |
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| 21:11.35 | shapr | I don't mind editing via tramp in emacs and using ssh to test. |
| 21:11.54 | KotCzarny | shapr: install sshfs or nfs |
| 21:11.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:14.05 | Esworp | So, i've got an install conflict i can't seem to resolve. Stuff is conflicting with |
| 21:14.14 | Esworp | So, i've got an install conflict i can't seem to resolve. Stuff is conflicting with hildon-libs0. I dont see it in application manager, and i don't know what imstalled it. Thoughts? |
| 21:15.25 | KotCzarny | apt-get will give you more info |
| 21:16.05 | Esworp | Heh. Xterm won't install due to the conflict. |
| 21:16.22 | KotCzarny | ssh? |
| 21:16.53 | KotCzarny | to see all installed packages you can try enabling redpill mode |
| 21:17.10 | Esworp | Haven't tried that, i /really/ dont feeel like getting off the couch :P |
| 21:18.36 | Esworp | Yah redpill. Oh, wait. What kinda hell wuld i unleash by just removing it? Sounds like it's a dev version of something important. |
| 21:19.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:19.18 | KotCzarny | hildon-libs are used in every app |
| 21:19.26 | KotCzarny | so yes, removing it would be bad |
| 21:19.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:19.57 | shapr | Is there a becomeroot package for OS2008? |
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| 21:20.16 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:20.22 | KotCzarny | but ssh will give you root too |
| 21:20.55 | shapr | Yeah, but I want to run airodump, and that requires that I disconnect from wifi. |
| 21:20.57 | KotCzarny | it becomeroot may be named gainroot |
| 21:21.12 | shapr | sudo gainroot asks for R&D mode |
| 21:21.43 | KotCzarny | then enable it |
| 21:21.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:22.03 | shapr | Well, /etc/sudoers appears to have it enabled... |
| 21:22.08 | Navi | There's an easyroot/becomeroot package |
| 21:22.36 | Navi | give me a second |
| 21:22.43 | KotCzarny | shapr: btw. ssh root@localhost |
| 21:22.46 | KotCzarny | will give you root too |
| 21:22.52 | Navi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14583 |
| 21:22.54 | KotCzarny | assuming you have ssh-server |
| 21:23.03 | KotCzarny | so i believe ssh is a better option |
| 21:23.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:24.56 | shapr | Aha |
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| 23:13.49 | pupnik | Is the person responsible for the maemo/hildon file browser around? |
| 23:14.02 | pupnik | holds a giant frozen trout behind his back |
| 23:14.57 | pupnik | Locking up the file browser while it scans thousands of files in subdirectories was brain damaged |
| 23:16.32 | Tama^2 | advertises himself has a trout slapping middle man: "100% of the slapping power, 0% risk of retaliation.. for a fee" |
| 23:17.16 | pupnik | hah |
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| 23:17.50 | pupnik | if that part of the hildon ui is open source i'd really like to have/build a version with that disabled |
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| 23:19.40 | Navi | heh |
| 23:20.11 | lcuk | technically couldnt we have a kick ass browser quite quickly on here? |
| 23:20.24 | lcuk | its not like the supplied one is full features |
| 23:20.25 | KotCzarny | isn't there one already? |
| 23:20.25 | lcuk | d |
| 23:20.30 | KotCzarny | emelfm2 or something |
| 23:20.33 | KotCzarny | and mc of course |
| 23:20.34 | lcuk | well thats what im thinking |
| 23:20.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:20.52 | pupnik | well this is the hildon browser that for e.g. vgba opens |
| 23:20.57 | pupnik | it would need to replace the system browser |
| 23:21.03 | lcuk | a folder tree and directory list is considered basic example in many grpahics toolkits |
| 23:21.04 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 23:21.29 | KotCzarny | pupnik, there's one in gtk i think |
| 23:21.36 | KotCzarny | though i don't know which one is default |
| 23:21.49 | pupnik | i'm just surprised more people aren't screaming about this |
| 23:21.59 | KotCzarny | maybe noone uses it? ;) |
| 23:22.11 | lcuk | i only notice it locking up when i go over bluetooth |
| 23:22.16 | KotCzarny | medialibraries is all the rage nowadays.. |
| 23:22.18 | KotCzarny | spits |
| 23:22.38 | lcuk | medialibrary is a cached version of a file browser |
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| 23:24.19 | lcuk | it takes time to sscan media files to give a lowdown of their huge libraries - it makes sense to cache some of that info |
| 23:24.23 | KotCzarny | it doesn't make sense to gather that info ALL the time |
| 23:24.31 | lcuk | although, i would prefer a small cache to be kept on a folder and shared by different media tools - for instance the thumbnails is used by all diff programs |
| 23:24.41 | KotCzarny | it should be generated on the fly |
| 23:24.57 | KotCzarny | ie, small list of files, and metadata read when needed |
| 23:25.01 | lcuk | but i think thats what the crawler tries to do |
| 23:25.18 | lcuk | it annoys people because it slows system down and drains battery and occasionally fucks itself up |
| 23:25.32 | KotCzarny | and is totally unnecessary |
| 23:25.40 | lcuk | people dont keep everything in one small file |
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| 23:25.43 | KotCzarny | if i want to show the device for someone |
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| 23:25.54 | KotCzarny | i have to wait till canola scans whole device |
| 23:26.07 | KotCzarny | and they say.. hey. this things loads slooowly |
| 23:26.13 | KotCzarny | *thing |
| 23:26.21 | lcuk | read pupniks problem, hell even look in the source folder for the kernel - to cache all that as programming information (which is what I would want from the metadata) would not be important to other people |
| 23:26.40 | KotCzarny | no caching, and no gathering |
| 23:26.48 | lcuk | but people expect to find |
| 23:26.53 | lcuk | and see |
| 23:26.59 | KotCzarny | have a list of files |
| 23:27.02 | KotCzarny | without metadata |
| 23:27.12 | KotCzarny | generate metadata only when needed |
| 23:27.25 | lcuk | file lists do not convey information about your porn folder than a grid of thumbnails |
| 23:27.37 | lcuk | arranged by boob size |
| 23:27.43 | KotCzarny | why should it |
| 23:27.44 | pupnik | bah, i put my files on the card, i know where they are :/ |
| 23:27.50 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:27.52 | KotCzarny | exactly |
| 23:28.53 | lcuk | it should show like that because i want it to - BUT - from the inverse if the scanner were bright and intelligent, it would scan the files in inverse datestamp order. displaying the latest updated files first |
| 23:29.13 | lcuk | it *would* work well because the active stuff you are working on would display in search queries before the older stuff is seen |
| 23:29.18 | lcuk | hmm kot. |
| 23:29.19 | lcuk | .. |
| 23:29.25 | KotCzarny | mm? |
| 23:29.29 | lcuk | mmm indeed |
| 23:29.31 | pupnik | i would be happy if the file browser let me go to a subdirectory while it was scanning directories also |
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| 23:30.44 | pupnik | so i showed numpty physics to my mom who hates computers, and she immediately started playing it |
| 23:30.54 | lcuk | i use a file search tool on windows. i wrote it to recursively scan a set of folders for string patterns within specified set of source files. ie grep but code based. anyway, if i use modified date on that folder tree, the live stuff arrives first allowing me a good search speed to gratification level |
| 23:31.00 | pupnik | first video 'game' she ever played in her life, and she enjoyed it |
| 23:31.10 | lcuk | same with my gf pupnik - it makes you want to touch it |
| 23:31.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:31.30 | lcuk | but the same could occur for media scanning |
| 23:31.40 | KotCzarny | imagine a game with 3D gyro |
| 23:31.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:32.06 | lcuk | low res stops me from thinking in that direction kot |
| 23:32.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:32.32 | lcuk | if they increase the resolution as well as the 3dness - it might look attractive |
| 23:32.37 | lcuk | but very confined |
| 23:32.50 | lcuk | 3gness* |
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| 23:34.17 | sandman__ | does anyone know of an active project to configure an SELinux policy for maemo |
| 23:34.31 | sandman__ | or that is creating an SElinux policy |
| 23:43.04 | lcuk | hildon sits ontop of x doesnt it |
| 23:43.44 | KotCzarny | on top of gtk |
| 23:43.46 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 23:43.53 | lcuk | which sits on x |
| 23:43.56 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 23:45.21 | KotCzarny | but also uses dbus |
| 23:47.00 | lcuk | im just thinking about why you needed to make an x list thing |
| 23:47.17 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 23:47.45 | KotCzarny | that kciconxbox? |
| 23:47.53 | lcuk | if hildon was a tweaked x which forced windows in certain locations and visibility etc then it might end up being possible to just compile direct |
| 23:48.17 | KotCzarny | it's more about registering windows with hildon itself |
| 23:48.30 | lcuk | just running a standard x window becomes registered and known to hildon for listing etc |
| 23:48.32 | KotCzarny | all programs call hildon_program() |
| 23:48.52 | lcuk | lol thats what i mean - why cant that call come in the open_x |
| 23:48.53 | KotCzarny | but that rquires hildon/gtk linking |
| 23:49.12 | KotCzarny | lcuk, because for that you would have to hack xlib |
| 23:49.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:49.19 | KotCzarny | libx11 |
| 23:49.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:49.33 | lcuk | oooh look, a can of worms |
| 23:50.12 | KotCzarny | what would be simplier is to create small helper lib |
| 23:50.16 | lcuk | i'll just carry on making a text editor |
| 23:50.18 | KotCzarny | or just a chunk of code |
| 23:50.22 | KotCzarny | to register a window |
| 23:50.31 | lcuk | or to watch for windows being registered |
| 23:50.41 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 23:51.19 | KotCzarny | or just writing nav-bar plugin that's drop-in compatible |
| 23:51.19 | lcuk | have you got a bt keyboard by the way |
| 23:51.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:51.24 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 23:51.42 | lcuk | good.. |
| 23:52.03 | lcuk | goes back to the shed |
| 23:52.11 | KotCzarny | goes back to playroom |
| 23:52.26 | KotCzarny | *gamesroom |
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