IRC log for #maemo on 20080405

`00:00.51`	`etrunko`	`new canola2 available`
`00:00.55`	`etrunko`	`last.fm`
`00:01.00`	`etrunko`	`:)`
`00:01.56`	`Ziegler`	`Cool`
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`00:02.05`	`KotCzarny`	`changelog?`
`00:02.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:02.24`	`etrunko`	`KotCzarny: the website is just being updated`
`00:02.27`	`Ziegler`	`Clean first?`
`00:02.28`	`KotCzarny`	`k`
`00:02.42`	`etrunko`	`Ziegler: nop`
`00:02.58`	`KotCzarny`	`http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/update.html`
`00:03.01`	`KotCzarny`	`not updated`
`00:03.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:03.16`	`Ziegler`	`Cool`
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`00:04.23`	`Ziegler`	`No updates available yet for me`
`00:04.32`	`Ziegler`	`Le me run apt`
`00:04.34`	`etrunko`	`just updated here`
`00:04.46`	`termsig`	`lcuk: u using any data plans in uk?`
`00:05.03`	`lcuk`	`no, wifi only`
`00:06.43`	`Ziegler`	`Cool`
`00:06.54`	`Ziegler`	`Apt-get update brought it in`
`00:07.09`	`dick-richardson`	`is there a repository for opensync?`
`00:07.19`	`Ziegler`	`Youtube canola also had an update`
`00:07.26`	`KotCzarny`	`dick: gronmayer.com/it/`
`00:07.35`	`dick-richardson`	`it's been down today :(`
`00:07.40`	`KotCzarny`	`then google`
`00:07.45`	`KotCzarny`	`or try again`
`00:08.11`	`dick-richardson`	`yeah, not finding anything on google, just figured I'd ask if there even was a repo...not what it was, just if it existed`
`00:08.21`	`dick-richardson`	`otherwise I wouldn't even bother looking`
`00:08.40`	`KotCzarny`	`it has open in the name, grab the sources and build yourself?`
`00:09.52`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm, interesting, gcc 4.2.1 works`
`00:09.53`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:10.07`	`KotCzarny`	`at least seems working`
`00:13.27`	`lcuk`	`if i shove it on my vmware scratchbox can i roll it back if required`
`00:13.47`	`KotCzarny`	`if you create new target, then you don't have to roll back`
`00:14.02`	`KotCzarny`	`you would be able to change targets on the fly`
`00:14.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:14.19`	`KotCzarny`	`that is, have one old stable that came with vmware image`
`00:14.31`	`KotCzarny`	`and new one that you can beat up to death`
`00:14.42`	`lcuk`	`yer i think ill backup vmware before i try though :)`
`00:14.43`	`KotCzarny`	`(yours or target's)`
`00:14.48`	`KotCzarny`	`you don't have to`
`00:14.52`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:14.55`	`Ziegler`	`Canola works`
`00:15.02`	`KotCzarny`	`just remember to select 'create new target'`
`00:15.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:15.09`	`KotCzarny`	`in sb-menu`
`00:15.21`	`Ziegler`	`Still does not find me oggs`
`00:15.34`	`Ziegler`	`You tube aspect ratio is off`
`00:15.39`	`lcuk`	`ill have to read up on how/where to do everything`
`00:15.51`	`KotCzarny`	`not really`
`00:15.52`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:16.20`	`Ziegler`	`Opps... Need to reboot`
`00:16.24`	`Ziegler`	`Brb`
`00:16.24`	`KotCzarny`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt`
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`00:16.43`	`KotCzarny`	`point 3.2`
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`00:17.46`	`lcuk`	`point 0.0 on anything I do - ensure I don't step backwards i dont like throwing away what I need`
`00:18.02`	`KotCzarny`	`just keep in mind what i have said`
`00:18.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:18.17`	`lcuk`	`absolutely your input is appreciated`
`00:18.34`	`lcuk`	`but i wont leap before i can walk`
`00:19.09`	`KotCzarny`	`whatever works for you :)`
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`00:21.46`	`Ziegler`	`No change with reboot`
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`00:48.00`	`ryoohki`	`how do i hibernate in os2008? so far, i can only shutdown`
`00:48.25`	`ryoohki`	`is therer a way to suspend to the sd card?`
`00:49.30`	`KotCzarny`	`erm`
`00:49.32`	`KotCzarny`	`you don't`
`00:49.33`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:49.42`	`KotCzarny`	`and there's no hibernation`
`00:50.10`	`KotCzarny`	`and you should only do poweroff if you won't be using IT for more than few days`
`00:50.34`	`KotCzarny`	`and yes, i think hibernation would be nice`
`00:50.34`	`Robot101`	`ensuring the wireless if offline, and locking the keys, it will go into a very deep sleep for days`
`00:51.11`	`KotCzarny`	`i repeat after someone: rebooting eats more power than 1 day of full idle`
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`00:52.15`	`lcuk`	`as long as its not connected to wifi that is - and there isnt a single slide off/slide back on option for that`
`00:52.50`	`lcuk`	`when i lock my device it should be configurable what remains active: screen keys throttle wifi bluetooth`
`00:53.17`	`lcuk`	`*sound`
`00:53.17`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: one can set wifi idle timeout`
`00:53.29`	`lcuk`	`but that doesnt help if you leave irc running`
`00:53.38`	`lcuk`	`or ssh session etc`
`00:53.40`	`KotCzarny`	`i think it's user related`
`00:53.47`	`KotCzarny`	`not programs that use it`
`00:54.09`	`KotCzarny`	`because it turned of wifi regardless sshfs sessions`
`00:54.12`	`lcuk`	`it is - i can keep connected and locked and it will autodisconnect if i dont send keep alives`
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`00:54.38`	`lcuk`	`there is an option in my scp client (like old style ftp) for keepalive pings`
`00:54.53`	`KotCzarny`	`i would have to test it`
`00:55.06`	`lcuk`	`indeed you would`
`00:55.08`	`KotCzarny`	`but afair i use tcp keep alive for my ssh sessions`
`00:55.26`	`KotCzarny`	`and they didn't keep wifi idle from kicking in`
`00:55.45`	`KotCzarny`	`i mean wifi idle disconnect`
`00:58.07`	`lcuk`	`it would be nice to use the slide and know that it was not trying to waste any power at all`
`00:58.14`	`lcuk`	`(or as little as possible)`
`00:58.22`	`lcuk`	`now its a lottery to whether its gonna come back to life`
`00:58.58`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`00:59.05`	`KotCzarny`	`i need to waste some time`
`00:59.09`	`KotCzarny`	`time for ff7`
`00:59.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`00:59.33`	`lcuk`	`ff7? mozilla been busy?`
`00:59.46`	`KotCzarny`	`that would be fx7`
`00:59.52`	`KotCzarny`	`ff is for final fantasy`
`00:59.53`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:00.02`	`lcuk`	`ahhh`
`01:00.13`	`lcuk`	`never got into any of them apart from the movies`
`01:00.30`	`KotCzarny`	`i never seen any movies`
`01:00.36`	`KotCzarny`	`other than ingame fmvs`
`01:00.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:00.51`	`lcuk`	`just imagine them a bit bigger ;)`
`01:01.05`	`KotCzarny`	`nah`
`01:01.14`	`KotCzarny`	`in movies you don't 'kill' monsters`
`01:01.15`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:01.32`	`KotCzarny`	`and you don't get that 'stash pockects' feeling ;)`
`01:02.06`	`lcuk`	`what you playin it on?`
`01:03.40`	`KotCzarny`	`ibm x32`
`01:03.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:03.53`	`KotCzarny`	`but anything over 700mhz should do`
`01:04.53`	`lcuk`	`im gonna pick up a working laptop eventually. i think im gonna stump for the eee touch when it launches`
`01:04.56`	`KotCzarny`	`did i say that i love xrandr ?`
`01:04.57`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:05.13`	`lcuk`	`yes but that rotated xv is broken`
`01:05.16`	`KotCzarny`	`xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of LVDS`
`01:05.17`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:05.29`	`KotCzarny`	`no, i'm talking about multihead right now`
`01:05.51`	`KotCzarny`	`that's why 12" laptop doesn't bother me`
`01:06.11`	`KotCzarny`	`need more screen estate? just get a second monitor ;)`
`01:06.38`	`lcuk`	`ive got a pair at work - its better than a single 24" which others have`
`01:06.51`	`lcuk`	`i keep my code and my software apart`
`01:07.10`	`lcuk`	`its like the 810 :) i code in one window and look at another to see results`
`01:07.19`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:07.33`	`KotCzarny`	`why not 12 + 24 ?`
`01:07.34`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:07.41`	`KotCzarny`	`or 4+24 ;)`
`01:08.08`	`lcuk`	`because a pair of 21s is enough :)`
`01:09.53`	`lcuk`	`uses macro zoom to make his home 19" monitor into an IMAX`
`01:09.59`	`lcuk`	`wheels closer`
`01:10.23`	`KotCzarny`	`lanches epsxe`
`01:10.42`	`lcuk`	`im goin 2 bed`
`01:10.43`	`lcuk`	`nite`
`01:10.46`	`KotCzarny`	`nite nite`
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`01:56.31`	`termsig`	`anybody saw soemthing bigger then 16GB micro sdhc?`
`01:58.13`	`Proteous`	`I sawed a 5 foot diameter log once`
`01:58.21`	`Proteous`	`that was tough`
`01:58.37`	`Proteous`	`if it was a 5gb micro log it would have been easier to saw`
`01:59.25`	`KotCzarny`	`micro means micro, so forget, get a n800`
`01:59.27`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:59.44`	`Proteous`	`but if you were asking, "Has anyone seen a micro sdhc card bigger then 16GB" then I'd answer, not me`
`02:00.12`	`KotCzarny`	`but who know`
`02:00.18`	`KotCzarny`	`time will tell`
`02:00.24`	`Proteous`	`who is this who and why does he know?`
`02:00.29`	`Proteous`	`can who predict the future?`
`02:00.39`	`KotCzarny`	`probably`
`02:00.40`	`Proteous`	`is who a he?`
`02:00.46`	`Proteous`	`or just an it`
`02:00.57`	`KotCzarny`	`who knows`
`02:01.05`	`Proteous`	`now you're just repeating yourself`
`02:01.10`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`02:01.14`	`KotCzarny`	`this one has 's'`
`02:01.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:01.36`	`Proteous`	`...`
`02:01.54`	`KotCzarny`	`goes back to ff7`
`02:12.08`	`termsig`	`Proteous: dont take a piss..`
`02:12.50`	`Proteous`	`I don't get it`
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`02:15.01`	`mikedep333`	`wow, 16GB SDHC cards start at $66 total on newegg`
`02:15.20`	`KotCzarny`	`there were cards for 56 too`
`02:15.29`	`KotCzarny`	`but prices go up and down all the time`
`02:15.53`	`mikedep333`	`a compact flash for $56.99 + $6 shipping, yeah`
`02:16.07`	`mikedep333`	`there are also 32GB CF cards`
`02:16.25`	`mikedep333`	`and they are about as expensive as two 16GB cards only`
`02:17.07`	`KotCzarny`	`there are 32gb sdhc too`
`02:17.09`	`mikedep333`	`I still remember when my dad bought his pda and got a free 16MB card`
`02:17.11`	`mikedep333`	`cool`
`02:17.22`	`KotCzarny`	`but regular size`
`02:17.24`	`KotCzarny`	`not micro`
`02:17.34`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`02:17.38`	`KotCzarny`	`has n800 so it doesn't matter much :)`
`02:17.38`	`mikedep333`	`that's to be expected`
`02:17.43`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`02:17.47`	`mikedep333`	`my N800 is in the mail`
`02:18.04`	`Proteous`	`I wish n800s were smaller and had a slide out keyboard`
`02:18.11`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`02:18.27`	`KotCzarny`	`well, n810 isn't so much smaller`
`02:18.27`	`mikedep333`	`I am hoping the N800 will fit in my pocket frequently enough`
`02:18.32`	`KotCzarny`	`only design is different`
`02:18.39`	`KotCzarny`	`that's why it appears much smaller`
`02:18.45`	`mikedep333`	`I see`
`02:18.48`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`02:18.51`	`mikedep333`	`it really is a shame`
`02:18.51`	`KotCzarny`	`paint n800's faceplate black`
`02:18.57`	`mikedep333`	`I saw the ITs back in late 2007`
`02:18.57`	`KotCzarny`	`and it will appear smaller too`
`02:19.04`	`mikedep333`	`but I thought they were like 10" wide instead of 5"`
`02:19.14`	`mikedep333`	`just by looking at the picture`
`02:19.18`	`mikedep333`	`otherwise I would have bought one`
`02:19.22`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:19.43`	`mikedep333`	`my N800 will be a nice insult to my friend with an asus Eee`
`02:19.58`	`Proteous`	`hes Eee has a keyboard`
`02:20.08`	`Proteous`	`s/hes/his/`
`02:20.16`	`mikedep333`	`he has a nice 10" diagonal wide case, but with a crappy small 800x480 screen`
`02:20.21`	`WorkingOnWise`	`can the N800 run J2ME apps?`
`02:20.23`	`mikedep333`	`his screen is lackluster for the size`
`02:20.28`	`Proteous`	`kkkeeeeeeeyyyybbbbooooorrrrdddddd`
`02:20.34`	`mikedep333`	`the N800's screen is amazing for the size`
`02:20.57`	`mikedep333`	`WorkingOnWise: I saw a web site about people working on that`
`02:21.34`	`WorkingOnWise`	`ah....so thats a "not yet" huh? lol`
`02:21.42`	`WorkingOnWise`	`I'll google it and see`
`02:21.44`	`WorkingOnWise`	`thanks`
`02:21.46`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`02:23.02`	`mikedep333`	`I think on here`
`02:23.03`	`mikedep333`	`https://garage.maemo.org/`
`02:24.29`	`mikedep333`	`WorkingOnWise: here we go`
`02:24.30`	`mikedep333`	`https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page`
`02:24.55`	`mikedep333`	`"We have robust working environments and packages for OpenMoko, Maemo"`
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`02:26.18`	`mikedep333`	`https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo`
`02:28.44`	`Proteous`	`sterano: Whats the difference between Raid_0 and Raid_1?`
`02:28.46`	`Proteous`	`Steve: In Raid_0 the zero stands for how many files you are going to get back if something goes wrong.`
`02:29.06`	`KotCzarny`	`and in raid_1 it means 1 file?`
`02:29.08`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`02:29.14`	`mikedep333`	`lol, I was thinking that`
`02:29.30`	`KotCzarny`	`though even 1 is better than 0`
`02:29.30`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`02:37.27`	`mikedep333`	`how about this explanation:`
`02:37.28`	`mikedep333`	`if (RAID)`
`02:37.28`	`mikedep333`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:06.08`	`mikedep333`	`hey, I got a question`
`03:06.16`	`mikedep333`	`I see that nokia released new flash images fairly often`
`03:06.48`	`mikedep333`	`will nokia automatically updated ITOS2008 on the device directly?`
`03:06.54`	`mikedep333`	`using deb repos or whatever`
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`03:08.06`	`Schizm`	`hey, where are some codec repositories? I installed one for ogg, but was looking for others`
`03:08.18`	`KotCzarny`	`install mplayer`
`03:08.29`	`Schizm`	`I did, but it won't play anything :(`
`03:09.20`	`Schizm`	`I tried it on it's own, and also tried it using several other apps like kagu, and ukmp, and it won't even play`
`03:09.51`	`pupnik`	`'it'`
`03:10.07`	`pupnik`	`mplayer won't play windows executeables`
`03:10.09`	`pupnik`	`for one`
`03:10.15`	`pupnik`	`it also won't play SQL databases`
`03:10.26`	`Schizm`	`ok, lets start with mp3s`
`03:10.32`	`pupnik`	`plays fine`
`03:10.34`	`Schizm`	`I can't get mplayer to play those`
`03:10.41`	`pupnik`	`hmm`
`03:10.47`	`pupnik`	`from the gui frontend?`
`03:11.01`	`pupnik`	`or cmd line`
`03:13.04`	`mikedep333`	`ok`
`03:13.07`	`mikedep333`	`I have a newb question`
`03:13.10`	`mikedep333`	`what is red pill mode?`
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`03:15.38`	`pupnik`	`it's like running your device as 'root' or 'administrator'`
`03:15.38`	`mikedep333`	`ok`
`03:16.22`	`mikedep333`	`and what's the difference between running root and it?`
`03:16.22`	`mikedep333`	`is it for graphical apps or something?`
`03:16.22`	`termsig`	`i suppose more access...`
`03:16.22`	`mikedep333`	`ok`
`03:16.38`	`termsig`	`http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/ for more details.`
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`03:34.02`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`03:34.06`	`KotCzarny`	`what repo has wget?`
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`03:45.49`	`termsig`	`KotBialy dunno.`
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`04:17.13`	`WormFood`	`woot! I got my n800 to display chinese characters now :D`
`04:17.18`	`WormFood`	`dances like snoopy`
`04:17.57`	`WormFood`	`it only took me an hour to figure out how to configure my web pages to tell the browser to display chinese characters (because I was doing other things at the same time)`
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`04:19.16`	`WormFood`	`can anyone tell me what the dictionaries at http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/downloads_os2008.html are for exactly? At first I was thinking they are for stardict, but now I'm not sure`
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`04:30.50`	`__Handful_of_not`	`WormFood: aren't they for the mozilla based browser ? (spell check) ?`
`04:31.56`	`WormFood`	`I'm not sure`
`04:32.30`	`WormFood`	`but if that is what they are for, then I don't need/want them...`
`04:32.31`	`__Handful_of_not`	`yes they are ( Browser-extras) means extension to the Browser`
`04:32.36`	`__Handful_of_not`	`;:)`
`04:32.36`	`__Handful_of_not`	`ok`
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`04:33.02`	`opendeep`	`hi, good mornig`
`04:33.08`	`phunguy`	`good night`
`04:33.09`	`phunguy`	`lol`
`04:33.12`	`phunguy`	`where are you from`
`04:33.18`	`phunguy`	`europe i take it`
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`04:37.20`	`WormFood`	`it is middle of the day here`
`04:37.27`	`WormFood`	`12:37`
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`04:37.36`	`WormFood`	`afternoon!`
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`04:44.09`	`harry`	`hi wormFood`
`04:44.13`	`harry`	`where are u located?`
`04:44.47`	`WormFood`	`directly above the center of the earth ;)`
`04:44.50`	`WormFood`	`hehehe`
`04:44.53`	`WormFood`	`I'm in china`
`04:44.55`	`harry`	`oh, no :P`
`04:46.41`	`fysa`	`http://www.calio.it/files/maemo-googlegears-webaddon_0.2.9.0-0_armel.zip`
`04:46.47`	`fysa`	`anyone play with this?`
`04:46.57`	`WormFood`	`not I fysa`
`04:47.14`	`johnx`	`oh, I was going to but I got sidetracked. I'll probably test it in a bit`
`04:47.23`	`harry`	`i played on my laptop`
`04:47.34`	`harry`	`but see no much diff`
`04:47.53`	`harry`	`i dont know how google doc utilize this gear`
`04:48.44`	`harry`	`WormFood: im from china 2`
`04:49.01`	`WormFood`	`really? where are you now?`
`04:49.21`	`harry`	`NanJing, and i had ping you in separate window`
`04:49.21`	`WormFood`	`I'm not from china, I'm from ç¾å½ ;)`
`04:49.32`	`harry`	`can you see it?`
`04:50.17`	`WormFood`	`I'm too lazy to plugin your IP into a location lookup`
`04:50.30`	`WormFood`	`I'm guessing in or near åäº¬`
`04:50.38`	`WormFood`	`am I right?`
`04:51.03`	`Italodance`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/01/hava-player-first-look-tv-on-your-nokia-internet-tablet/`
`04:51.06`	`Italodance`	`TV TUBNER!`
`04:51.10`	`Italodance`	`TUNER!`
`04:51.28`	`harry`	`oh, hehe, i am near åäº¬`
`04:51.35`	`harry`	`i am in åäº¬ï¼hehe`
`04:51.40`	`WormFood`	`I see`
`04:51.40`	`harry`	`you are in æ·±å³`
`04:51.48`	`WormFood`	`indeed, you are correct`
`04:52.09`	`WormFood`	`but I don't know åäº¬`
`04:52.29`	`WormFood`	`I know ä¸äº¬ï¼and åäº¬`
`04:52.37`	`harry`	`haha`
`04:52.58`	`WormFood`	`I think I know where åäº¬ is`
`04:52.58`	`harry`	`åäº¬=capital of China before 1949`
`04:53.02`	`WormFood`	`oh`
`04:53.06`	`WormFood`	`I know that too`
`04:53.19`	`harry`	`and, there is also a ä¸äº¬ in china, but not Tokyo`
`04:53.21`	`WormFood`	`that is what I was thinking of before you said it`
`04:53.27`	`harry`	`its name is å¼å°, do you know :P`
`04:53.35`	`WormFood`	`really? no, I don't know that name`
`04:53.40`	`Tama^2`	`O.o`
`04:53.48`	`WormFood`	`I can read more chinese than I can speak, but I still know very little`
`04:54.10`	`WormFood`	`I was looking into getting a job in åäº¬`
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`04:54.47`	`harry`	`å¼å° = China's ä¸äº¬, in about 1000 hundred year ago`
`04:55.21`	`harry`	`also, there is a è¥¿äº¬, è¥¿äº¬ = è¥¿å®(XiAn)ï¼u must know it :P`
`04:55.27`	`WormFood`	`xi'an?`
`04:55.30`	`WormFood`	`no`
`04:55.33`	`WormFood`	`that is older`
`04:55.36`	`harry`	`its the older capital than KaiFeng`
`04:55.40`	`harry`	`:)`
`04:55.52`	`harry`	`you know many :)`
`04:55.58`	`WormFood`	`I know more than many people`
`04:56.10`	`WormFood`	`I think I know more chinese history than many of my chinese friends`
`04:56.19`	`WormFood`	`but I do not really know that much`
`04:56.21`	`harry`	`oh, maybe more than me`
`04:56.26`	`harry`	`:P`
`04:56.34`	`WormFood`	`maybe I know some things you don't know, but I doubt it`
`04:56.47`	`harry`	`what i want to say is that...`
`04:56.55`	`WormFood`	`I think the warring states period has some very interesting stories`
`04:57.00`	`harry`	`i want to get an N810, but the chinese customs won't let me have one`
`04:57.19`	`WormFood`	`really?`
`04:57.29`	`WormFood`	`want to buy my N800? ;)`
`04:57.39`	`harry`	`nokia sends me one as gift, but it was blocked at customs :(`
`04:57.52`	`WormFood`	`as a gift? how did you manage that?`
`04:58.01`	`harry`	`i have to give costumes a statement that i cannot get that, let DHL delivery it back to Finland`
`04:58.05`	`WormFood`	`how do I get them to send me a gift? a working n800 would be nice`
`04:58.18`	`harry`	`WormFood, can we talk in private window?`
`04:58.29`	`WormFood`	`of course`
`04:58.33`	`harry`	`i had sent you some message but no rely`
`04:58.33`	`WormFood`	`feel free to /msg me`
`04:58.44`	`WormFood`	`is your nick registered?`
`04:58.56`	`harry`	`oh now`
`04:58.58`	`harry`	`oh no`
`04:59.04`	`WormFood`	`I think that is why`
`04:59.24`	`Italodance`	`kcome are u from china?`
`04:59.55`	`kcome`	`Italodance: yes :)`
`05:00.29`	`Italodance`	`kcome is there available nokia n8X0?`
`05:01.03`	`Italodance`	`i heard we can insert sim cart to chinese versions`
`05:01.17`	`kcome`	`no, there is no N810 in whole ASIA`
`05:01.27`	`kcome`	`even Singapore, HongKong, Japan`
`05:01.37`	`KotCzarny`	`italodance: it's not a nokia's product`
`05:01.39`	`Italodance`	`kcome what about n800?`
`05:01.46`	`KotCzarny`	`some kind of bootlegged design`
`05:01.47`	`kcome`	`there is N810 only in Europe and US`
`05:01.57`	`kcome`	`neither`
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`05:02.16`	`Italodance`	`kcome i bought my n800 in dubai/UAE 3 weeks ago`
`05:02.19`	`Italodance`	`:D`
`05:02.37`	`Italodance`	`kcome u better go there and buy it!`
`05:03.05`	`kcome`	`haha, i hope i could get one`
`05:03.39`	`Italodance`	`kcome yes i bought mine about 1800 dhs`
`05:03.49`	`Italodance`	`well i am asian too`
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`05:04.46`	`kcome`	`i think my meaning is EMEA`
`05:04.49`	`kcome`	`not EMEA`
`05:04.52`	`kcome`	`i mean APAC`
`05:07.16`	`Italodance`	`kcome internet tablet is only available in USA and 14 european countries (hehe not all europe)`
`05:07.30`	`fysa`	`Google Reader interface in Canola2 would be nice.`
`05:08.00`	`fysa`	`hmm.`
`05:10.28`	`kcome`	`that's, right`
`05:10.42`	`kcome`	`but i heard that Nokia Research Center in china is doing some localization`
`05:10.54`	`kcome`	`almost 6 months ago i got this news`
`05:11.34`	`phunguy`	`umm`
`05:11.44`	`phunguy`	`its availale in Canada as well :p`
`05:12.18`	`phunguy`	`DHS?`
`05:12.58`	`johnx`	`a shipping company AFAIK`
`05:13.18`	`phunguy`	`yeah`
`05:13.29`	`phunguy`	`but its also the currency for UAE`
`05:13.40`	`phunguy`	`dirhams methinks`
`05:13.46`	`phunguy`	`1300 dirhams it cost him`
`05:14.13`	`phunguy`	`roughly $360cdn`
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`05:43.04`	`opendeep`	`Hello X-Fade`
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`06:30.46`	`Netochka`	Hi, I'm trying to develop a program using the gps functionality but when I try to compile the program I get this error: "In function `main':gpsTest.cpp:(.text+0x210): undefined reference to `location_gps_device_get_type()'"
`06:31.10`	`KotCzarny`	`probably you need to link some lib`
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`06:31.37`	`Netochka`	`has anyone seen this before? It seems to be a problem with the linker, my program is extremely simple, basically just using the code snippets from here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#UsingLocation`
`06:32.16`	`Netochka`	yeah, that's what I thought, but I can't figure out what to add.... I'm compiling it like this: g++ -o gpsTest ./gpsTest.cpp `pkg-config --cflags --libs liblocation gpsbt gpsmgr osso-gpsd`
`06:32.17`	`KotCzarny`	`try adding -llocation`
`06:32.22`	`KotCzarny`	`to the linker`
`06:33.30`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. do you have liblocation-dev installed?`
`06:33.39`	`KotCzarny`	`or liblocation itself`
`06:33.42`	`Netochka`	`nah, no change...`
`06:33.50`	`KotCzarny`	`what happens after: pkg-config --cflags --libs liblocation`
`06:34.05`	`Netochka`	`and yeah, I do, I installed all of liblocation gpsbt, and gpsmgr`
`06:34.33`	`Netochka`	`-DMAEMO_CHANGES -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-1 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -llocation -lhildon-1 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0`
`06:34.51`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`06:35.10`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe libs mismatch`
`06:35.17`	`KotCzarny`	`ie. is this howto current?`
`06:35.32`	`KotCzarny`	`or are your os current?`
`06:35.58`	`Netochka`	`hm, maybe... I'm pretty sure my os is the most current one and the how-to is the most current one though...`
`06:36.03`	`Netochka`	`how do I check my os?`
`06:36.16`	`mbuf`	`do we need to get any GPS service subscription to use it on the N810?`
`06:36.29`	`Netochka`	`no, you should just be able to use it`
`06:36.57`	`KotCzarny`	`your os should be in the prompt`
`06:37.02`	`KotCzarny`	`in the hostname`
`06:37.11`	`mbuf`	`Netochka, sorry, how does that benefit the people deploying the satellites?`
`06:37.39`	`Netochka`	`like sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL?`
`06:37.40`	`KotCzarny`	`but i assume it's current.`
`06:37.43`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`06:37.58`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, chinook is maemo 4.x`
`06:38.01`	`KotCzarny`	`current`
`06:38.03`	`KotCzarny`	`humhum`
`06:38.41`	`KotCzarny`	`you can try looking for this symbol manually`
`06:39.02`	`Netochka`	`really? how?`
`06:39.14`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. where did you get 'location_gps_device_get_type' from ?`
`06:39.21`	`KotCzarny`	`i can't find it on that page`
`06:39.32`	`Netochka`	`I don't actually use it in my code, that's the thing that I don't understand...`
`06:39.45`	`Netochka`	`This is my code:`
`06:39.46`	`Netochka`	`#include <iostream> #include <location/location-gps-device.h> static void location_changed (LocationGPSDevice device, gpointer userdata) { g_print ("Latitude: %.2f\nLongitude: %.2f\nAltitude: %.2f\n", device->fix->latitude, device->fix->longitude, device->fix->altitude); } int main(int argc, char* argv) { LocationGPSDevice device; device = (LocationGPSDevice) g_object_new (LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE, NULL);`
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`06:40.16`	`Netochka`	`that was horrible... but hopefully you get the idea... it's just copied and pasted verbatim from that page...`
`06:40.19`	`KotCzarny`	`google don't know about it`
`06:42.55`	`Netochka`	`yeah, I know, and I don't know where it's coming from and I can't find an api reference for liblocation, only gpsbt and gpsmgr`
`06:43.11`	`KotCzarny`	`try commenting out everything`
`06:43.17`	`KotCzarny`	`and then enabling line by line`
`06:43.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:44.31`	`Netochka`	`mm yeah, hadn't tried that yet`
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`06:46.20`	`Netochka`	`I guess it's this line that's causing the problem: device = (LocationGPSDevice*) g_object_new (LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE, NULL);`
`06:47.01`	`Netochka`	`And yeah, I forgot, I had added that (LocationGPSDevice) to get it to compile, because otherwise it complained about changing a void to a LocationGPSDevice*`
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`06:49.53`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. you have omitted device declaration`
`06:50.00`	`KotCzarny`	`LocationGPSDevice *device;`
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`06:53.18`	`Netochka`	`oh no, I just do it the line before`
`06:53.41`	`KotCzarny`	`ah, i see`
`06:53.59`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. how did you install liblocation?`
`06:54.08`	`KotCzarny`	`i can't find it in my repositories`
`06:57.11`	`KotCzarny`	`nvm. found it`
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`06:59.44`	`Netochka`	`well, I found another example using the gps here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_gps.c`
`06:59.47`	`Netochka`	`so I'm going to try that one instead`
`07:00.02`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:00.15`	`Netochka`	`thanks for your help though`
`07:00.35`	`KotCzarny`	`if that's of any help i'm getting the same errors`
`07:00.40`	`KotCzarny`	`from that example`
`07:00.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:00.53`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:00.57`	`KotCzarny`	`that's from headers`
`07:04.35`	`Netochka`	`ah, cool, thanks, that at least explains where it comes from... if not how to fix it...`
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`07:26.42`	`keesj`	`hi`
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`07:32.38`	`aquatix`	`morning all`
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`08:23.41`	`geaaru_`	`hi at all, i have a question that i don't know if is correct on this channel, can anyone said me if will be a new nokia model upgrade on n880 with gsm? thanks in advance`
`08:27.24`	`KotCzarny`	`no`
`08:27.40`	`KotCzarny`	`but you can always buy a cheap phone with bluetooth`
`08:28.14`	`geaaru_`	`thanks for reply :)`
`08:29.31`	`KotCzarny`	`and remember it's not a phone`
`08:29.35`	`KotCzarny`	`it's internet tablet`
`08:29.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`08:48.11`	`czr`	`hey KotCzarny`
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`09:13.22`	`aquarius-`	`is there any known issue with instaling of packages? i've tried to install fennec, canola youtube plugin and wesnoth few moments ago and all of them ended with "unable to install" message. I've even tried to switch to red pill mode to see if the output is more verbose but it's all the same. any idea?`
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`09:15.20`	`keesj`	`aquarius-: there is a tools -> log or similar in the package manager , that will give you more acurate into`
`09:15.25`	`keesj`	`into = info`
`09:15.58`	`aquarius-`	`keesj: thanks, I'll have look into it`
`09:17.03`	`aquarius-`	`cool, it seems that apt is unable to handle some dependencies but I can try to fix it manually... thanks a lot again`
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`09:26.25`	`Italodance`	`??????`
`09:27.12`	`Italodance`	`it doesn't want to find .........`
`09:27.15`	`Italodance`	`???????`
`09:46.22`	`tank-man`	`Italodance, the fonts dont work in the browser?`
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`09:48.36`	`Italodance`	`tank-man i can't find arabic keyboard in my browser or language setting`
`09:49.43`	`aquarius-`	`Italodance: ttf means TrueType Fonts. No keyboard there.`
`09:49.46`	`tank-man`	`that package you linked above seems to be just fonts, not any keyboard settings`
`09:51.47`	`Italodance`	`tank-man tell me i need to install arabic keyboard too?`
`09:52.01`	`tank-man`	`i dont know`
`09:52.04`	`tank-man`	`sorry`
`09:52.08`	`Italodance`	`and from here : http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/`
`09:52.14`	`Italodance`	`yes?`
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`09:52.46`	`tank-man`	`yes, that looks right`
`09:52.46`	`Italodance`	`aquarius- TrueType Fonts can read arabib subtitles yes?`
`09:55.27`	`aquatix`	`if they have the arabic glyphs`
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`09:58.21`	`Italodance`	`arabic glyphs what is it/`
`09:58.24`	`Italodance`	`?`
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`10:01.15`	`codex4`	`?`
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`10:23.01`	`crashanddie`	`that was usefull`
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`10:57.21`	`drwx`	`Hi!`
`10:58.44`	`drwx`	`I dont understand one thing: I compiled a c hello world on maemo4 then I put the binary file on my mmc1`
`10:59.24`	`drwx`	`When I try ti execute it ./test I always have this error : Permission denied`
`10:59.54`	`drwx`	`I try to chmod 777 (as root) test but it dont work`
`11:00.10`	`drwx`	`do you know why`
`11:00.30`	`wnd`	`the memory card probably has (v)fat on it, it doesn't support proper flags`
`11:02.27`	`zuh`	`and quite likely it's mounted with the noexec flag too, so no running binaries from there anyway`
`11:03.20`	`drwx`	`So how can I do this test?`
`11:03.21`	`wnd`	`I wonder why ld-linux.so -"trick" won't work`
`11:05.48`	`zuh`	`drwx: just copy the binary to the home dir of the user`
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`11:24.54`	`drwx`	`ok it works, thank you`
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`11:44.35`	`x-demon`	`Need more free ram`
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`11:46.27`	`pH5`	`x-demon: why? free ram = unused ram = bad. that's not energy efficient.`
`11:46.42`	`pH5`	`x-demon: if a program needs to allocate some memory, it will take from the free and cached ram alike.`
`11:46.49`	`x-demon`	`mplayer have lags`
`11:48.17`	`x-demon`	`any way to solve this?`
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`11:48.39`	`x-demon`	`Divx, 640x480, approx 20 fps`
`11:48.51`	`x-demon`	`And very big lags on dynamic scenes`
`11:50.39`	`pH5`	`I fear no. reencode with a fixed bitrate or force a lower peak bitrate.`
`11:51.24`	`x-demon`	`damn...`
`11:51.30`	`pH5`	`This lag is due to bandwith or processor power, not available ram. But I'm no expert in this, ..`
`11:51.43`	`pH5`	`maybe KotCzarny or pupnik know more, I think they made plenty of experiments.`
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`12:12.29`	`lcuk`	`actually it doesnt matter i read more of the scrollback`
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`14:48.31`	`lopz`	`hi`
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`15:06.07`	`unique311`	`i need mypaint help`
`15:06.14`	`Navi`	`ORLY?`
`15:06.20`	`Navi`	`What do you need help with?`
`15:06.27`	`unique311`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165435&postcount=44`
`15:06.49`	`Navi`	`Weird`
`15:06.54`	`Navi`	`Hrm`
`15:06.57`	`unique311`	`with the stylus it doesn't seem to want to work`
`15:07.01`	`Navi`	`That statusbar is annoying`
`15:07.13`	`unique311`	`but when i use fingers it works on the side thats giving the problems`
`15:07.16`	`unique311`	`left side`
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`15:07.22`	`Navi`	`press harder?`
`15:07.29`	`unique311`	`i did`
`15:07.32`	`Navi`	`shrugs`
`15:07.41`	`unique311`	`it only registers when i use my fingers`
`15:07.53`	`unique311`	`i thought it was only a fullscreen issue...`
`15:07.59`	`unique311`	`but also happens in window mode`
`15:08.23`	`unique311`	`i don;t think its the tablet.`
`15:08.43`	`unique311`	`mtpaint works find and all the other sketch programs i've played with.`
`15:09.49`	`unique311`	`s/find/fine`
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`15:17.43`	`wom-`	`hmm, where are official maemo mypaintg debs..`
`15:18.02`	`wom-`	`seem to find only discussions about it with google`
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`15:23.04`	`unique311`	`http://gudmundson.se/anders_gud/index.php?id=16`
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`15:32.06`	`pupnik`	`maybe it's because of the pressure sensitivity unique311`
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`15:32.22`	`unique311`	`maybe.....`
`15:32.42`	`pupnik`	`so i think it's a hardware problem only revealed by mypaint`
`15:32.48`	`unique311`	`i've done work on mypaint before but never notice it...`
`15:33.08`	`unique311`	`well i never try doing strokes that far left`
`15:34.08`	`unique311`	`anders says its fixable`
`15:34.36`	`unique311`	`lets say it is a hardware problem.`
`15:34.53`	`unique311`	`why would it work when i use my fingers and not the stylus?`
`15:36.07`	`pupnik`	`the only way i could think to test this would be to make a special weight with a stylus-like tip that you place on the screen at various areas and test the pressure reading`
`15:36.12`	`keesj`	`I did not follow eveything`
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`15:37.15`	`pupnik`	`what brush did you use to make that screenshot unique311 ?`
`15:37.21`	`keesj`	`but the touch is averaged so if a small piece would not be touchable you could "not see" it with the fingers`
`15:37.33`	`unique311`	`ink`
`15:37.36`	`keesj`	`I did have the reversed problem at somepoint`
`15:38.07`	`keesj`	`unique311: just like pupniks game buttons`
`15:38.25`	`unique311`	`??`
`15:38.34`	`unique311`	`keesj this is about mypaint...`
`15:38.50`	`unique311`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165435&postcount=44`
`15:38.52`	`keesj`	`unique311: like I said ....`
`15:39.19`	`pupnik`	`i am getting a lot of line breaks with ink too`
`15:39.34`	`unique311`	`on a specific side?`
`15:39.45`	`pupnik`	`no`
`15:40.22`	`unique311`	`keesj, im lost?`
`15:40.27`	`pupnik`	`if i press harder i get no breaks`
`15:40.36`	`unique311`	`tried pressing harder...`
`15:40.54`	`unique311`	`it works fine, but just in that little area only.`
`15:41.23`	`keesj`	`unique311: what happens when you press with two fingers one above and one below the area?`
`15:41.44`	`penguinbait`	`I am wondering if anyone has any ideas? I am wanting to get the maemo browser running under KDE. When I start it, it launches a browser window. znd another tiny window which says updating and never goes away. I can bring up the menu in the browser window, but when I the to open local or remote location, it just sits there I can't even get a window to select local or remote location.`
`15:42.08`	`unique311`	`keesj: line starts from the top finger and ends in the middle of both fingers`
`15:42.23`	`penguinbait`	`I am thinking I need a starup script which sources somthing? any ideas anyone??`
`15:43.06`	`unique311`	`keesj: fingers are not the problem...`
`15:43.14`	`unique311`	`fingers touch works fine in the area`
`15:43.28`	`unique311`	`but the stylus is the problem`
`15:44.11`	`keesj`	`unique311: I understand, I am just trying to explain why you could be right :)`
`15:44.24`	`unique311`	`ok`
`15:44.42`	`unique311`	`on it not being a hardware problem`
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`16:12.56`	`Navi`	`pupnik, I have no line breaks even when drawing a line gently`
`16:13.07`	`pupnik`	`using the 'ink' brush?`
`16:13.10`	`Navi`	`Yes`
`16:13.19`	`Navi`	`I used ink to sketch out my picture`
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`16:15.30`	`pupnik`	`my build is so much faster`
`16:17.48`	`fysa`	`I think mypaint is unresponsive for an initial touch because of CPU throttling?`
`16:19.01`	`pupnik`	`no. i'm showing full cpu speed`
`16:19.08`	`fysa`	`at mypaint idle?`
`16:19.16`	`pupnik`	`no, after a few seconds it drops`
`16:19.25`	`MangoFusion`	`i hate it when all of a sudden it makes one long stroke going from the previous point (which i left 1 ~ 2 seconds ago) to the current one far far away`
`16:19.30`	`fysa`	`then the initial touch/first line you draw will have a CPU bump in the middle of it`
`16:19.32`	`MangoFusion`	`apart from that, neat`
`16:19.45`	`pupnik`	`MangoFusion: yes that's hugely annoying. Only a problem with some brushes`
`16:19.46`	`fysa`	`it's extremely responsive if you draw circles continuously`
`16:19.50`	`Navi`	`pupnik, what's faster about it?`
`16:19.56`	`Navi`	`you mean the hotkeys?`
`16:20.01`	`fysa`	`but if you pause then draw a curve, it takes a second to appear`
`16:20.10`	`pupnik`	`no, my build is vastly faster in drawing and tracking the stylus`
`16:20.26`	`pupnik`	`zooming and panning as well`
`16:20.27`	`MangoFusion`	`also comes across as a bit slow and in general has a lot of work to be put into the interface`
`16:20.39`	`MangoFusion`	`e.g. the color dropper is useless`
`16:20.47`	`Navi`	`Agreed`
`16:20.49`	`fysa`	`where is your build, pupnik?`
`16:21.13`	`pupnik`	`on my drive :)`
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`16:21.55`	`Navi`	`lame :P`
`16:22.32`	`Navi`	`pupnik, diff! diff!`
`16:22.33`	`Navi`	`diff!`
`16:22.39`	`pupnik`	`it's all in the build process`
`16:22.42`	`pupnik`	`the source is the same`
`16:22.50`	`Navi`	`oh :P`
`16:23.01`	`pupnik`	`well no, there are changes but those i posted in the thread in the python script`
`16:23.28`	`Navi`	`panning and tracking isn't bad here :/`
`16:24.48`	`Italodance`	`i hate youtube`
`16:25.46`	`pupnik`	`when I drawing continuously, 64% of cpu is used by 89258 64.3250 mydrawwidget.so.0.0.0`
`16:26.00`	`fysa`	`the problem is that the threshold is 80%?`
`16:26.39`	`fysa`	`maybe not that.`
`16:27.36`	`fysa`	`it's much more responsive at 20, but it could be the sampling rate.`
`16:27.46`	`fysa`	`it feels like it's stuck at low CPU for just a bit too long.`
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`16:31.04`	`pupnik`	`what do you think about the mypaint statusbar?`
`16:31.08`	`pupnik`	`i think it's worse than useless`
`16:31.31`	`fysa`	`can you give a different window title/parent to the three sub-windows?`
`16:31.38`	`fysa`	`to keep them from grouping?`
`16:31.47`	`MangoFusion`	`seems to like to hang when moving beyond the current boundry for me`
`16:31.50`	`fysa`	`the statusar is useless`
`16:32.10`	`fysa`	`monitor /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq while drawing a circle`
`16:32.40`	`Navi`	`pupnik, agreed`
`16:32.41`	`fysa`	`once it drops to 165MHz, you're stuck waiting for it to sample/interrupt before bumping back up`
`16:32.49`	`fysa`	`which is bad for penciling..`
`16:32.57`	`fysa`	`because you're doing one curve/line at a time`
`16:33.12`	`fysa`	`so the CPU drops back down to 165MHz, you touch and begin to draw, halfway through the curve it jumps back to 400MHz`
`16:33.13`	`Navi`	`I give it a tap before drawing a line`
`16:33.30`	`fysa`	`giving you a straight line in that curve`
`16:33.49`	`fysa`	`maybe undo would be nice to map to the back button`
`16:33.56`	`MangoFusion`	`neat, i can just do straight lines by tapping on random locations on the screen`
`16:34.59`	`fysa`	`I think up_threshold 80 is 80% CPU usage before it bumps up`
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`16:35.14`	`fysa`	`and with the sampling threshold, it maxes cpu at 100% with 165MHz for too long`
`16:37.04`	`fysa`	`anyway :)`
`16:37.08`	`fysa`	`still a slick app`
`16:37.20`	`Navi`	`needs a lot of polish`
`16:38.17`	`MangoFusion`	`yes a polish brush would be nice`
`16:38.25`	`Navi`	`I have a bit more fun using colors on the DS`
`16:38.36`	`Navi`	`even if the screen is smaller in both size and resolution`
`16:42.51`	`pupnik`	`my next goal is to get a hildon banner popup showing the image of the brush selected`
`16:42.54`	`pupnik`	`via shortcut`
`16:43.31`	`pupnik`	`but yes for N800/770 it's really lacking onscreen controls`
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`16:45.36`	`MangoFusion`	`having the brush & color and so on a separate window doesn't really work well imo.`
`16:45.46`	`lcuk`	`fysa - cputhreshhold is something I have been looking closely at. my program runs sluggishly at 80 because within the timeframe its not working over 80%. lowering to 40 has given a marked improvement around the whole system but it reverts after a reboot`
`16:45.52`	`lcuk`	`do we know how to set this forever?`
`16:46.40`	`pupnik`	`you could suid the app and set it on program start`
`16:46.44`	`pupnik`	`no?`
`16:47.12`	`lcuk`	`suppose - i do need root rights to change it - ive added a turbo option to mine which does this, but im not sure how to do it properly without this`
`16:47.38`	`lcuk`	`i tried niceing myself at first and even though nice processes should work it did nothing`
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`16:48.20`	`pupnik`	`anybody know python here?`
`16:48.43`	`lmoura`	`go ahead`
`16:48.44`	`pupnik`	`i need to learn how to show an icon in hildon_banner_show`
`16:48.45`	`lcuk`	`i know a bit pup, is it complicated?`
`16:48.53`	`lcuk`	`ahhh rite, no then`
`16:48.57`	`pupnik`	`heh`
`16:49.21`	`lcuk`	`understands syntax and grammar but doesnt know all the libs yet :)(`
`16:49.30`	`lmoura`	`hum`
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`16:51.04`	`fysa`	`have you experimented with the sampling rate, lcuk?`
`16:51.39`	`lcuk`	`not in this specific program but for my rendering thingy yes`
`16:52.05`	`lcuk`	`leaving it on 80% meant the cpu clocked itself back down dropping framerate right down`
`16:52.15`	`lcuk`	`unless i was very active with cursor`
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`16:52.59`	`fysa`	`156250 is the default sampling rate`
`16:53.03`	`fysa`	`I don't know how that works..`
`16:53.18`	`fysa`	`but if it was responsive enough to reclock in time, it could beat the threshold`
`16:53.30`	`fysa`	`the threshold lag rather`
`16:54.15`	`elb`	`reclocking quite possibly takes a noticable amount of time`
`16:54.17`	`lcuk`	`but any of these changes need root`
`16:54.54`	`lcuk`	`i found best compromise was the threshhold percent - it makes all programs respond better but still clocks itself back down when idle`
`16:54.56`	`elb`	`between noticing it needs to reclock, and then arranging for that to happen`
`16:56.03`	`lmoura`	`pupnik, AFAIK you must provide an icon-name to the hildon_banner_information_show (or pass None)`
`16:56.07`	`lmoura`	`pupnik, http://lovebug356.blogspot.com/2007/08/hildon-banner-in-pymaemo.html`
`16:56.34`	`lmoura`	`python hildon API is pretty much 1-on-1 to C API`
`16:56.48`	`lcuk`	`also - the problem with finishing one stroke and starting another being connected is due to the RAW sampling method. it is meant to give a position update with a pressure of zero to indicate end of stroke (there is no mouse up or down) i noticed depending on what i was doing (and mainly when it clocked back down) x11 would not send me this final mouse coord`
`16:56.49`	`pupnik`	`k`
`16:57.03`	`lcuk`	`this has effectively stopped if i am running at 40%`
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`17:02.08`	`lcuk`	`pupnik, your suggestion earlier about a ball in the centre of the screen isnt needed - just run something like maemopad+ with pressure enabled and color in the screen evenly.`
`17:02.08`	`lcuk`	`http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3377/n810pressureunevenareasbt1.png`
`17:04.27`	`pupnik`	`you can not apply even pressure with your hand`
`17:07.28`	`lcuk`	`no i know, but thats less even pressure than you cannot apply an even LOCATION - remember touch is centre of pressure on this tablet, so as you move your finger and new bits are detected the cursor jiggles around in a smallish circle and isnt smooth at all`
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`17:09.23`	`lcuk`	`add to that this screen isnt smooth and it jumps around like a rodeo - just try drawing a straight line with a fat pad of a finger and you see the effect`
`17:09.46`	`pupnik`	`i use a wacom stylus for drawing :)`
`17:09.50`	`lcuk`	`smoothing would be possible but for the lack in resolution`
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`17:10.14`	`lcuk`	`which doesnt respond at all to finger and infact with work through your hand ;)`
`17:10.20`	`D1dge`	`Hi`
`17:10.32`	`pupnik`	`lcuk: fingers aren't sharp`
`17:10.34`	`lcuk`	`ive got a wacom behind the screen of one of my old laptops :) it works really well`
`17:11.00`	`lcuk`	`i know that..`
`17:13.03`	`pupnik`	`so .. the problem is related to your scrolling ebook reader?`
`17:13.11`	`pupnik`	`jumpy scrolling?`
`17:13.29`	`pupnik`	`i'm just curious about what the relevance of imprecise finger position is`
`17:14.04`	`lcuk`	`it was an observation when i was implimenting RAW Mouse :)`
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`17:14.34`	`lcuk`	`and how difficult it is to 100% detect i am using a finger than a stylus - whilst its easy to get most cases it doesnt work always`
`17:14.52`	`pupnik`	`ah`
`17:15.06`	`pupnik`	`so for a finger you do sample averaging?`
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`17:16.18`	`lcuk`	`it might work - lemme just find your mail addy ill send you a little somefink`
`17:18.03`	`pupnik`	`wait, i don't know why i should care about that`
`17:18.34`	`pupnik`	`does this have applications to mypaint?`
`17:18.40`	`pupnik`	`cursor tracking is fine as-is`
`17:20.12`	`lcuk`	`ok ignore if you want it was just for example`
`17:20.39`	`pupnik`	`ok thanks politely anyway`
`17:20.50`	`pupnik`	`info is always a potential value`
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`17:27.18`	`pupnik`	`hehe my sketches made front page on internettablettalk :)`
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`17:32.48`	`mikedep333`	`I saw that`
`17:32.58`	`mikedep333`	`pupnik: thank you so much for all your development`
`17:33.27`	`mikedep333`	`especially tyrian`
`17:33.47`	`mikedep333`	`I loved playing that 14 years ago or whenever`
`17:34.20`	`lcuk`	`hes been working none stop for 14 years towards getting it running on nokia - that is dedication :O ;)`
`17:34.23`	`pupnik`	`happy to help`
`17:34.30`	`pupnik`	`lol`
`17:34.30`	`mikedep333`	`lol`
`17:34.47`	`lcuk`	`glad you have your mypaint stuff up there pup :)`
`17:34.50`	`pupnik`	`i'm too stopid to fix the mouse though`
`17:34.57`	`lcuk`	`i just grabbed mtpain from you - whats the connection?`
`17:35.16`	`lcuk`	`or is it just named similar`
`17:35.34`	`pupnik`	`well i liked mtpaint but when anders_gud released his simplified mypaint, i realized how awesome the brushes/pencils were`
`17:35.48`	`pupnik`	`so unique311 was totally right about mypaint, it's way better`
`17:35.56`	`pupnik`	`i just have to package my optimized build here`
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`17:36.14`	`unique311`	`??`
`17:36.17`	`unique311`	`mypaint`
`17:36.23`	`unique311`	`no mtpaint is my fav`
`17:36.29`	`pupnik`	`oh`
`17:36.33`	`pupnik`	`i misunderstood then :)`
`17:36.41`	`unique311`	`well that is until i can get my problem resolved`
`17:36.42`	`lcuk`	`mtpaint brushes stop after about 50 points though - its disconcerting`
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`17:36.57`	`lcuk`	`they should dynamically extend themselves ;)`
`17:38.03`	`mikedep333`	`oh, cool`
`17:38.03`	`unique311`	`i prebably can put out similar work with mypaint...`
`17:38.04`	`mikedep333`	`http://sourceforge.net/projects/fheroes2/`
`17:38.20`	`mikedep333`	`I loved playing HOMM2 & 3`
`17:38.45`	`mikedep333`	`and the entirely free implementation of a HOMM clone, attal: lords of doom - is not all that good`
`17:38.50`	`lcuk`	`pupnik, who is the girl in your painting by the way`
`17:38.53`	`mikedep333`	`well, it's just way too early`
`17:39.06`	`unique311`	`heres the latest from mtpaint.... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=158472&postcount=18`
`17:40.03`	`lcuk`	`wicked unique311 :)`
`17:40.10`	`unique311`	`mypaint has a config file?`
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`17:40.43`	`unique311`	`lcuk: thank ya kindly`
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`17:42.58`	`lcuk`	`unique311, you have tried a few of the art programs - which are quickest for simple line drawing`
`17:43.14`	`pupnik`	`i love the parrot painting`
`17:43.54`	`unique311`	`like i said mtpaint is fav right now...`
`17:44.11`	`unique311`	`i didi something on mypaint a while back, before all the hildon.`
`17:44.14`	`lcuk`	`is that because of speed? or just all round features`
`17:44.17`	`unique311`	`and it came out pretty well`
`17:44.26`	`unique311`	`so thats tops also`
`17:44.39`	`lcuk`	`your just a tablet whore :P you wanna draw`
`17:44.50`	`unique311`	`lcuk`
`17:44.55`	`unique311`	`pretty much`
`17:45.11`	`unique311`	`i wanted a cheap cintiq`
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`17:45.18`	`unique311`	`handlheld at that`
`17:45.36`	`unique311`	`the tablet provides that somewhat.`
`17:46.03`	`lcuk`	`i've wanted a proper tablet since i saw something described as a "devils tablet" which was about 14" LCD when laptops were just starting`
`17:46.51`	`lcuk`	`ive had a few drawing tablets before and have meshed one into my laptop to give the effect but this si the first proper one i have`
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`17:52.59`	`unique311`	`lcuk: which drawing app for the tablet ou like most?`
`17:54.37`	`lcuk`	`i like my own - its not at all fully featured but it runs using xv (Same as mplayer) and can get 25fps at fullscreen but is limited to YUV (which isnt a problem because I started in greyscale)`
`17:54.52`	`lcuk`	`(infact its not featured at all - its just a screen with strokes`
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`17:57.26`	`unique311`	`you pan on releasing this screen with strokes?`
`17:57.30`	`unique311`	`plan`
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`18:01.18`	`lcuk`	`lol - i plan on releasing a lot of stuff but first i have to ensure its the right direction`
`18:02.10`	`lcuk`	`i have a baseline program but no real framework around it - if i release too early i end up being pushed into a corner by having to retain the dev direction im heading which may be wrong`
`18:02.32`	`lcuk`	`at the moment i can rebuild anytime and not have to maintain compatability or anything`
`18:02.42`	`lcuk`	`(after saying all that, it will be soon)`
`18:04.34`	`unique311`	`blurrrrrrr toooolllllllllllllll]`
`18:06.00`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`18:08.36`	`unique311`	`a must...`
`18:08.58`	`unique311`	`well that and the colorpicker..`
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`18:09.30`	`lcuk`	`you want up down selectable r/g/b using the dpad i know i remember the convo`
`18:09.53`	`lcuk`	`up/dn r/g/b cycle, l/r amount of selected pot`
`18:10.17`	`lcuk`	`ive been considering using an overlay ontop of the 810 keyboard to give same effect but with a direct single push on a color`
`18:10.25`	`lcuk`	`qwerty row = reds`
`18:10.28`	`lcuk`	`asdf row = greens`
`18:10.33`	`lcuk`	`zxcv row blues`
`18:10.43`	`lcuk`	`but you havent got an 810 so it doesnt matter :P`
`18:14.24`	`unique311`	`i plan on buying another tablet.`
`18:14.44`	`lcuk`	`something bigger harder faster?`
`18:15.03`	`unique311`	`its going to be nokia`
`18:15.14`	`pupnik`	`i want a 'chroma-only' brush to colorize pics on mypaint`
`18:15.21`	`unique311`	`just not sure if want to spend the money on the wimmax edition, or just wait it out..`
`18:15.55`	`unique311`	`pupnik: did you try making brushes on mypaint yet?`
`18:16.11`	`pupnik`	`no`
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`18:16.22`	`pupnik`	`well i tried the chroma only brush but i don't know how`
`18:16.28`	`pupnik`	`tried making one rather`
`18:17.26`	`unique311`	`i tried creating a brush,`
`18:17.43`	`unique311`	`kinda difficult`
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`18:21.21`	`pupnik`	`yeah well`
`18:21.27`	`pupnik`	`i can't deal with color painting at all`
`18:21.40`	`pupnik`	`but i'd like to sketch b/w and then colorize regions`
`18:23.27`	`D1dg1`	`I have a question`
`18:23.42`	`keesj`	`I have a dream`
`18:23.53`	`unique311`	`i have a solution`
`18:24.13`	`D1dg1`	`I found a howto about setting up nfs on the n810`
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`18:24.19`	`keesj`	`we have internet tablets`
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`18:25.29`	`D1dg1`	`But all the packages aren't in thee repository`
`18:25.55`	`mikedep333`	`hmm, I wonder how xournal is for the n800 running 2008`
`18:26.28`	`D1dg1`	`Writting with the N810 is hard`
`18:28.02`	`unique311`	`check this out...`
`18:28.29`	`unique311`	`ok so i use that rotate plugin to inverse the screen....`
`18:29.07`	`unique311`	`nm`
`18:29.17`	`Proteous`	`aww, it was just getting interesting`
`18:30.44`	`pupnik`	`you left handed unique311 ?`
`18:30.53`	`unique311`	`yes`
`18:31.09`	`pupnik`	`mne too`
`18:32.28`	`doc\|home`	`Software Edition 2008 version 2.2007.51-3 for Nokia N800 <- is that the latest?`
`18:32.37`	`doc\|home`	`I thought there was a new release this week`
`18:33.54`	`unique311`	`alot of lefties ITT`
`18:34.06`	`unique311`	`Check out the leftiy thread`
`18:34.31`	`Proteous`	`you all should start a club`
`18:34.31`	`D1dg1`	`Is there an extra channel for the N810?`
`18:34.54`	`Proteous`	`you can call it, "No righties allowed"`
`18:35.39`	`Proteous`	`hold secret meetings where you discuss how much the man has you down with all the ergenomic mice that are only right handed`
`18:35.59`	`Proteous`	`and how no one makes a good left handed bike tire wrench`
`18:36.02`	`unique311`	`Proteous: its not that serious...`
`18:36.10`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`18:36.15`	`Proteous`	`<-- not serious`
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`18:36.55`	`unique311`	`you make a good point about the left handed bike tire wrench`
`18:36.59`	`Proteous`	`heh`
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`18:41.07`	`m-c`	`recommended way to load quicktime codec onto the N800, please?`
`18:41.18`	`m-c`	`(what's with the lack of media player codecs.. :( )`
`18:41.59`	`briand`	`Proteous: next time you're in Sears, try buying a metric crescent wrench. they don't have 'em.`
`18:43.25`	`m-c`	`what do you think about the upcoming wifi version?`
`18:43.50`	`m-c`	`erm, wimax`
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`18:48.02`	`m-c`	`anyone have quicktime working on their device? finding no information about loading the codec on the web. I can't be the only one`
`18:49.16`	`unique311`	`quictime, and tablet?`
`18:49.31`	`briand`	`which media player are you attempting to view quicktime with?`
`18:49.38`	`briand`	`perhaps mplayer will handle it...`
`18:49.56`	`m-c`	`I should try mplayer`
`18:50.11`	`briand`	`yes, you should`
`18:50.36`	`m-c`	`thanks for your response, though - trying mplayer now`
`18:54.01`	`m-c`	`mplayer is acting very badly - seems to be freezing whenever I try and play a file`
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`18:55.38`	`cyberholic`	`Goo evening everyone!`
`18:55.42`	`cyberholic`	`Good i mean :)`
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`18:57.42`	`cyberholic`	`aehm... GOOD evening everyone trying it again to be polite :)`
`18:58.54`	`lcuk`	`hi there cyber`
`18:59.02`	`lcuk`	`a goo evening to you as well :P`
`18:59.14`	`cyberholic`	`gg hi lcuk......`
`18:59.38`	`mikedep333`	`hello`
`18:59.46`	`lcuk`	`hows your weekend going?`
`18:59.53`	`cyberholic`	`hope you are doing fine :) .... wanna test out a new n800 project i started? its an online game i developed for 800x480 :)`
`19:00.13`	`mikedep333`	`tense with anticipation of my my first IT, an n800, arriving`
`19:00.23`	`cyberholic`	`lcuk: working working working on finding some people who would like to start a revolution somewhere :)`
`19:00.41`	`mikedep333`	`cyberholic: what kind of game?`
`19:01.12`	`cyberholic`	`blackjack :) .... it's the first of about 10 that i have in pipeline.... http://www.mojocafe.net/games`
`19:01.12`	`lcuk`	`mikedep333, dont be tense, its only a computer`
`19:01.26`	`mikedep333`	`exactly`
`19:01.30`	`mikedep333`	`i can't live without computers`
`19:01.33`	`cyberholic`	`oh by the way: if you play the game you can see my ugly face :)`
`19:01.35`	`mikedep333`	`I need linux in my pocket`
`19:01.41`	`lcuk`	`cyber, im not a card man`
`19:02.08`	`mikedep333`	`btw`
`19:02.19`	`mikedep333`	`it is impressive that something so small is a computer`
`19:03.01`	`lcuk`	`it is impressive and from a developers perspective its technology feels very much on par with amiga :)`
`19:03.09`	`cyberholic`	`lcuk: but maybe a CART man? gg ... i will develop some tactical racing games this summer for the n800 - n810`
`19:03.29`	`m-c`	`mikedep333: I have it paired with my cell phone data connection, so I say I carry the internet in my pocket`
`19:03.37`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`19:03.40`	`lcuk`	`if they are flash tactical or anything games will have a problem being smooth`
`19:03.46`	`mikedep333`	`I need to a get a cell phone data plan once they are cheaper`
`19:04.37`	`cyberholic`	`lcuk: if you play the blackjack game at the url mentioned above you will see that it works smooooth :)`
`19:04.41`	`lcuk`	`i just use other peoples internet. i have a connection at home and one at work and i can hook into friends and since i am driving everywhere else i dont need it there`
`19:04.55`	`mikedep333`	`fortunately my palm treo 650 is compatible with the bluetooth net connection`
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`19:05.28`	`lcuk2`	`cyber spam it again ill take a look onow i am on device`
`19:05.55`	`m-c`	`I was at a music conference last night and wanted to take a picture with my n800. It did not have the camera application loaded. So, I connected to the public wifi there, installed the camera app with one click, and then took my picture.`
`19:06.08`	`cyberholic`	`lcuk2... what do you mean? sorry for my bad english`
`19:06.19`	`lcuk2`	`was the quality acceptable - i find its very grainy`
`19:06.35`	`lcuk2`	`cyber, give me the link again please i am using my 810 now i will have a look`
`19:06.43`	`lcuk2`	`<<< on 810`
`19:06.47`	`cyberholic`	`ah cool, thanks! http://www.mojocafe.net/games`
`19:07.03`	`m-c`	`yes, especially grainy for the low light conditions, but I felt really empowered to do what I wanted`
`19:08.55`	`m-c`	`hey, general firefox UI question, is it possible to disable link browsing with the directional pad?`
`19:09.42`	`m-c`	`when I browse a web page, I always want to scroll down with the directional pad, but if I hold it down too short of a time, then it will jump to a link (which might be above where I am reading)`
`19:09.59`	`pupnik`	`anybody good with python want to implement stuff i want for mypaint? :) i want to see the brush name (and/or image thumbnail) that i selected when i hit a brush shortcut key`
`19:09.59`	`lcuk`	`cyberholic, you are right, thats quicker than the others (even if it is just a could of cards) and is perfectly acceptable for this type of game. however the same issue still stands re: needing flash and internet. :) you have a creative mind and obvious talent it is a shame its locked up inside flash`
`19:10.25`	`m-c`	`since I select links by clicking with the stylus, I never use the link browsing with the directional pad, and I would like to turn off that functionality`
`19:10.32`	`pupnik`	`hmm preview = self.app.brushSelectionWindow.get_preview_pixbuf()`
`19:10.46`	`lcuk`	`m-c yes, there is a way to change the settings so dpad up/down moves by page`
`19:11.04`	`cyberholic`	`lcuk: thanks i know of my negative points grin - but they come because i think that within a short time people will be online 24/7 so that you get everything online... games, PIM, calendar etc..`
`19:11.05`	`m-c`	`lcuk that's just what I want`
`19:11.05`	`lcuk`	`ill try and find you the howto`
`19:11.19`	`lcuk`	`its just one setting ifiak`
`19:11.20`	`m-c`	`wow thanks`
`19:13.03`	`lcuk`	`cyberholic, you will be waiting a long time before ubiqutous 24/7 internet enabled devices are the norm - sure its getting closer but everyone has time without a connection, and some of those times are when you want time wasters (think about on most planes)`
`19:15.13`	`cyberholic`	`lcuk: correct. But your planes example is exactly the reason why i wanted to have the n800 as media-device: because instead of watching "Email from you" while a flight, i may prefer to watch "Snakes on a plane" .... 8)`
`19:15.16`	`lcuk`	`m-c here is the thread. if you read down the page, someone offers a .deb file to install. this does the changes for you and is simplest route :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17764`
`19:15.41`	`m-c`	`hey, thanks so much!`
`19:16.00`	`cyberholic`	`Oh, and by the way: if you start the game and do not close the browser, you can still play that game on a plane :)`
`19:16.46`	`lcuk`	`by the way - i believe people would freak if you were playing SOAP without headphones ;)`
`19:16.59`	`cyberholic`	`lol`
`19:17.01`	`lcuk`	`thats an ugly hack :P`
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`19:17.04`	`m-c`	`lcuk I think I can just do the user_pref("snav.enabled", false); in the firefox settings`
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`19:17.48`	`lcuk`	`you could if you were using firefox ;)`
`19:18.32`	`lcuk`	`if you do it directly, you also need to change the VK settings for up down inside the htmlbindings`
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`19:21.30`	`anders_gud`	`pupnik: you beat me to it...`
`19:22.13`	`pupnik`	`what?`
`19:22.13`	`pupnik`	`i didn't figure it out yet!`
`19:22.13`	`anders_gud`	`I was just writing to mypaint dicuss list`
`19:22.13`	`pupnik`	`oh :)`
`19:22.39`	`anders_gud`	`just to let him know about us...`
`19:22.46`	`anders_gud`	`.:-)`
`19:23.13`	`pupnik`	`do you think you would include the hildon banner feedback i added, if it were disable/enable-able from the menu?`
`19:23.39`	`pupnik`	`i also have something i want you to try`
`19:23.48`	`anders_gud`	`Oh I have not had time to look at it...`
`19:23.56`	`pupnik`	`ok`
`19:24.17`	`pupnik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:24.19`	`pupnik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:24.32`	`anders_gud`	`but I suppose all things that improve usabillity is good`
`19:24.35`	`pupnik`	`so i have a faster mydrawidget compiled with arm optimized flags`
`19:24.45`	`pupnik`	`'improve' is relative, some people might hate the info popups`
`19:25.13`	`anders_gud`	`you know I'm a noob at hildonizing...`
`19:25.13`	`pupnik`	`anyway if you try this optimized version, i think you will be excited`
`19:25.24`	`pupnik`	`hehe`
`19:25.29`	`cyberholic`	`by talking about cpu usage: i asked some people at oqo.com to test out the OQO tablet with mojocafe.net and you know what the result was? That the browser takes more then 80% of the cpu usage!!! geeeesus christ, for some simple Flash animations!`
`19:26.06`	`anders_gud`	`how did you set the cflags in scratchbox, Makefiles?`
`19:26.21`	`pupnik`	`i couldn't figure out how to make the dpkg-buildpackage take my cflags`
`19:26.25`	`anders_gud`	`and what flags`
`19:26.42`	`pupnik`	`so i changed makefile and recompiled, then manually copied the binaries into the .deb archive`
`19:27.14`	`anders_gud`	`can I have please?`
`19:27.28`	`pupnik`	`yes i'm packaging a build now`
`19:27.35`	`anders_gud`	`great`
`19:27.59`	`KotCzarny`	`pupnik: sometimes debian/rules overwrite CFLAGS`
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`19:28.12`	`KotCzarny`	`just change CFLAGS = -Wall -g to CFLAGS += ..`
`19:28.22`	`lcuk`	`beware pup, optimised programs which use lower cpu may end up being throttled more often`
`19:29.01`	`KotCzarny`	`and export CFLAGS="-O2 etc" before dpkg-buildpackage command`
`19:29.16`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. hi everyone`
`19:29.19`	`lcuk`	`make sure the speed ups arent because you tweaked throttle or anything previously (and i find -O3 gives best)`
`19:29.28`	`lcuk`	`hi kot`
`19:29.36`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah, test with governor performance`
`19:29.37`	`anders_gud`	`pupnik: https://mail.gna.org/public/mypaint-discuss/2008-04/msg00001.html`
`19:29.44`	`KotCzarny`	`otherwise test results may.. vary`
`19:29.44`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`19:30.32`	`pupnik`	`nice letter`
`19:30.36`	`lcuk`	`now has a different config to test at default 80% and a fast 40% one to get most consistant best case fps settings`
`19:30.40`	`pupnik`	`i assumed you had already introduced him to it`
`19:30.46`	`pupnik`	`and that the messages were just not visible yet`
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`19:32.19`	`anders_gud`	`maybe we should get a garage page for MyPaint?`
`19:32.22`	`lcuk`	`who is this "peer" bloke who keeps resetting people? he must be mighty powerful`
`19:32.38`	`KotCzarny`	`that's called: peer pressure`
`19:32.54`	`lcuk`	`walks along the peer`
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`19:34.31`	`lcuk`	`im gonna try and get some code done now, will bbl`
`19:34.33`	`KotCzarny`	`peer rhymes with a beer`
`19:34.39`	`lcuk`	`mmmmm peer`
`19:34.40`	`KotCzarny`	`and leer`
`19:34.44`	`KotCzarny`	`and pear`
`19:35.24`	`mikedep333`	`and deer, which we have too much of around here`
`19:36.03`	`lcuk`	`when i have had a beer the deer around here remind me of a peer`
`19:36.21`	`KotCzarny`	`oh, dear`
`19:36.24`	`lcuk`	`:D`
`19:36.31`	`mikedep333`	`you're telling my ear this year?`
`19:36.49`	`KotCzarny`	`why should i peer in your ear?`
`19:37.27`	`lcuk`	`hear hear`
`19:38.48`	`pupnik`	`anders_gud http://pupnik.de/mypaint_0.5.0-1~hildon3b_armel.deb has the faster mydrawwidget.so.0.0.0 - extract with ar x file.deb - that's the only real thing that needs the faster cflags`
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`19:38.55`	`pupnik`	`flag to Navi`
`19:40.45`	`anders_gud`	`pupnik: Thanks! I'll try it out ASAP. Keep up the good work!`
`19:42.39`	`anders_gud`	`pupnik: have to go (to watch DVD Brideshead Revisited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brideshead_Revisited_(miniseries) :-)`
`19:43.33`	`pupnik`	`k cheers`
`19:43.44`	`anders_gud`	`cheers`
`19:44.22`	`pupnik`	`how do i disable the Ctrl-E => maemo search filesystem binding`
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`20:02.49`	`Navi`	`Wow`
`20:02.59`	`Navi`	`mypaint just caused my N800 to restart`
`20:03.33`	`pupnik`	`i've even seen mypaint make the whole LCD go into strange zendimension mode (looks like WSOD)`
`20:03.50`	`Navi`	`Evil little program`
`20:03.58`	`Navi`	`I was only a few minutes from finishing`
`20:04.05`	`pupnik`	`aqq`
`20:04.15`	`Navi`	`Good thing I save often`
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`20:06.32`	`pupnik`	`try my new version`
`20:06.37`	`lcuk`	`numpty drawing crashes often and for some reason all the strokes i draw fall down - i have to paint really quickly ;)`
`20:09.15`	`pupnik`	`how is the speed of the simulation/animation?`
`20:09.37`	`pupnik`	`i definitely want a 'crayon physics' to show the kids`
`20:10.43`	`Navi`	`I want a real crayon physics port`
`20:11.18`	`Navi`	`or at least a true-to-the-original rehash, 'cuz the original was written in java`
`20:11.44`	`pupnik`	`oh, then forget that`
`20:12.29`	`lcuk`	`pupnik, its not great, but its workable - if you drwa enough straight line strokes in one place you see the update rects and it tears but surprisingly stable other than that - its doing quite a lot and does it well enough to be playable`
`20:12.42`	`lcuk`	`all the family have had a go and the missus is surprisingly interested :)`
`20:12.52`	`pupnik`	`:)`
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`20:14.13`	`lcuk`	`i have a feeling though that this kind of experiment cannot work too well because of sheer processing power required to do much more`
`20:14.34`	`lcdd`	`the levels weren't that good but it's quite fun otherwise`
`20:14.44`	`lcuk`	`once you get even a modest number of points on the screen the calculation time takes over`
`20:15.24`	`pupnik`	`doing the physics efficiently is a very interesting algorithmic problem`
`20:15.31`	`pupnik`	`have you looked into that?`
`20:15.44`	`lcuk`	`the level with the see-saws is broken most of the time - its easy to knock one of the stars out, but then the ball gets stuck on something and nothing you roll at it will move it to get the second one . you have to make sure it hits both with a single roll`
`20:15.46`	`pupnik`	`oh, and collissions`
`20:16.12`	`Navi`	`I draw a box around the entire stage for that one`
`20:16.34`	`Navi`	`and add a bump on the seesaw to keep it from rolling off`
`20:16.45`	`lcuk`	`not true physics on this device but i did have some bubble space thing setup which applied a variable force on each point based on every other one and checked for collissions etc`
`20:17.37`	`lcuk`	`its one of the modules im tweaking - im running around about 5 subprojects making sure each of them works with the core.`
`20:18.55`	`lcuk`	`how did you do the tree one?`
`20:19.24`	`lcuk`	`likes a catapult kind of arrangement to fling the ball - but you need to add a barrier at RHS`
`20:20.46`	`phunguy`	`i'm stuck on the two seesaw one`
`20:20.48`	`phunguy`	`level 3`
`20:21.06`	`lcuk`	`have you managed to get any of the stars yet`
`20:21.34`	`phunguy`	`yeah`
`20:21.35`	`phunguy`	`1`
`20:21.41`	`Navi`	`lcuk, I do it with a seesaw`
`20:22.34`	`lcuk`	`navi - yes - a spoon shaped thing cupping the ball and a weight hanging over the other side of the tree - catches and flings the ball as the weight drops`
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`20:26.31`	`phunguy`	`i totally cheated in lvl3 just now`
`20:27.11`	`phunguy`	`wtf`
`20:27.23`	`phunguy`	`how do u bent the tree?`
`20:27.46`	`lcuk`	`you cannae change the laws of physics`
`20:27.59`	`phunguy`	`how do uu beat this lol`
`20:28.07`	`pupnik`	`http://pupnik.de/mypaint_0.5.0-1~hildon3c_armel.deb Navi - slightly faster version`
`20:29.21`	`phunguy`	`hrm`
`20:29.23`	`phunguy`	`mypain eh`
`20:29.31`	`phunguy`	`any good?`
`20:29.43`	`Navi`	`mypaint sucks`
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`20:31.35`	`MangoFusion`	`a suck brush. now that would be neat`
`20:31.48`	`KotCzarny`	`pervers`
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`20:32.13`	`lcuk`	`mypaint suck mode: realistic drawing of LCD surface ;)`
`20:33.59`	`phunguy`	`hwo the fuck`
`20:34.02`	`phunguy`	`do you do this tree level`
`20:34.14`	`KotCzarny`	`camera?`
`20:34.24`	`KotCzarny`	`if only camera didn't suck so much..`
`20:34.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`20:34.59`	`lcuk`	`phunguy - pause at start and then setup what i described`
`20:35.35`	`lcuk`	`you make a weight by coloring in a small blob - do it all in one stroke - spoon shape around the ball then over the tree and a filled in blob for a weight`
`20:35.47`	`lcuk`	`when you unpause the ball will be catapulted to the other side`
`20:36.06`	`lcuk`	`once you do that - you should be able to suss how to do similar with the ball on the floor`
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`20:38.23`	`phunguy`	`RofL`
`20:39.52`	`lcuk`	`i guess it worked then - the first few times i lost the ball`
`20:40.47`	`phunguy`	`:(`
`20:40.49`	`phunguy`	`last level?`
`20:41.29`	`lcuk`	`for now i guess`
`20:41.53`	`lcuk`	`we need map kits and more playness`
`20:42.16`	`lcuk`	`and steam automatic updates and a companion cube to help with tricky levels`
`20:43.02`	`phunguy`	`lol`
`20:43.22`	`phunguy`	`its also ghey how you can make a ball a certain colour over the star and you will automatically win the level`
`20:44.24`	`lcuk`	`thats just cheating though :P`
`20:44.41`	`phunguy`	`yeah lol/`
`20:45.04`	`phunguy`	`i never would have known about colouring in that anvil`
`20:45.05`	`phunguy`	`lol`
`20:45.10`	`phunguy`	`shit`
`20:45.17`	`lcuk`	`it reminds me of linerider - which is unfortunately a flash thing isnt it?`
`20:45.39`	`phunguy`	`someone should port "The Incredible Machine" to the n8xx`
`20:46.30`	`lcuk`	`theres lots of things which can come with time - ive played many of these little physics playsets in my time, but the touch just brings them to life :)`
`20:46.33`	`pupnik`	`can you delete objects in numpty?`
`20:46.56`	`lcuk`	`yes, but only in order added`
`20:47.00`	`lcuk`	`press delete i think`
`20:47.46`	`pupnik`	`it's kinda hard`
`20:47.59`	`lcuk`	`yer it is but its fun for all the family`
`20:48.24`	`lcuk`	`linerider would rock in this environment but flash isnt fast enough`
`20:48.46`	`lcuk`	`actually, no it wouldnt i would never get 810 back from eldest`
`20:49.13`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: how about 'low quality' setting in flash?`
`20:49.16`	`lcuk`	`hmm`
`20:49.21`	`KotCzarny`	`or flash pixeldoubled to 400x240 ?`
`20:49.24`	`lcuk`	`native app with upload to web caps`
`20:49.33`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, its not enough`
`20:49.45`	`KotCzarny`	`it's 4x speedup`
`20:50.14`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`20:50.28`	`lcuk`	`how do you run flash in a none microb window?`
`20:50.30`	`KotCzarny`	`is there a way to use flashplugin that comes with device as standalone?`
`20:50.45`	`lcuk`	`lol - i keep telling that mojo guy he needs something similar`
`20:50.47`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe with specially crafted mini microb?`
`20:50.53`	`lcuk`	`if he could do it, most flash would be better`
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`20:51.01`	`lcuk`	`mini micro :)`
`20:51.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`20:51.08`	`KotCzarny`	`pico micro`
`20:51.10`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`20:51.15`	`lcuk`	`nano pico micro`
`20:51.15`	`KotCzarny`	`picrob`
`20:51.29`	`lcuk`	`napimicrob`
`20:51.48`	`KotCzarny`	`pinamiob`
`20:52.19`	`phunguy`	`i'm bored`
`20:52.27`	`phunguy`	`what else should i install on this`
`20:52.40`	`KotCzarny`	`phunguy: sdk`
`20:52.54`	`KotCzarny`	`or write something in pygtk`
`20:53.04`	`lcuk`	`these kind of quick games are right up my alley and ive done loads of little playgrounds in vb before - ill gid out the code and see what i can get working - and since im using the xv base i can just lower the res to any arbitary value and get best quality/detail gradient going :)`
`20:53.32`	`mikedep333`	`hey guys`
`20:53.55`	`mikedep333`	`how is running 2,3,4 button console emulators on the N800`
`20:54.04`	`mikedep333`	`what do you use for buttons?`
`20:54.11`	`lcuk`	`buttons?`
`20:54.14`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: microb is open?`
`20:54.16`	`mikedep333`	`since it's not like you can multi-touch a and b on the screen`
`20:54.28`	`mikedep333`	`*at the same time`
`20:54.31`	`KotCzarny`	`remap hardware buttons`
`20:54.36`	`KotCzarny`	`+/fs/-`
`20:54.37`	`dtahtbot`	`KotCzarny: Error: "/fs/-" is not a valid command.`
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`20:54.56`	`mikedep333`	`on the top of the system?`
`20:55.04`	`KotCzarny`	`probably with xmodmap`
`20:55.12`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, not sure, but even if it is im not gonna dig through the code and cherry pick the flash stuff. its not a beneficial waste of time`
`20:55.17`	`KotCzarny`	`make a script to do it before and after running your app`
`20:55.34`	`mikedep333`	`ok`
`20:55.49`	`KotCzarny`	`or if you can configure your app`
`20:55.54`	`KotCzarny`	`just tell it to use them`
`20:56.05`	`KotCzarny`	`(they are mapped to f4/f5/f6 afair)`
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`20:56.13`	`KotCzarny`	`order may be different`
`20:56.23`	`lcuk`	`phunguy - look on maemo.org and there is a whole app list with high rated and newest etc`
`21:00.45`	`phunguy`	`cool`
`21:07.30`	`fysa`	`lcuk, found someting interesting about ondemand/up_threshold`
`21:07.38`	`fysa`	`lcuk, http://www.bughost.org/pipermail/power/2008-February/001287.html`
`21:11.13`	`fysa`	`grealty increasing the sample rate makes the system go to full speed faster, but someone is working on refactoring the ondemand system to make it more precise/real-time, instead of through sampling.`
`21:11.15`	`lcuk`	`fysa, nice bit of info, but still not what i notice occuring: if in the sampling period the cpu is estimated to be running over 80% then more speed is needed. my program was making cpu run at about 50% using the slowest mhz. it was thinking "hmm i dont need to go faster yet" even though my program would benefit running at faster rate`
`21:11.43`	`lcuk`	`hopefully some changes are coming in the diablo update - it would certainly help`
`21:12.52`	`lcuk`	`i changed it to 40%, not to get it changing faster but to actually identify i wanted more mhz in a stable manner. before it would speed up about a second after stroke started`
`21:12.57`	`fysa`	`right`
`21:13.08`	`fysa`	`you want that bump to come before its responsively too late`
`21:13.13`	`fysa`	`it's`
`21:13.49`	`lcuk`	`yes and the more i have optimised this the harder it has come to actually get the cpu to kick into higher gear`
`21:14.08`	`lcuk`	`:) better actually runs slower :)`
`21:14.19`	`KotCzarny`	`less is more`
`21:14.20`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`21:15.42`	`lcuk`	`right, ive got a boggle in code - im doing some extension work on keyboard input in x11. i can see and identify all keys pressed on the keyboard but i cannot get the buttons to raise an event. i cant detect dpad - any ideas?`
`21:15.58`	`fysa`	`removing the sampling/analyzation could make that cpufreq adjustment come between a handful of cycles, quick enough and that CPU jump will come up in time for your demanding function to feel responsive..`
`21:16.04`	`fysa`	`then quick enough down to save more power than we do now..`
`21:16.35`	`lcuk`	`yes :) that would be best case`
`21:16.40`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: hmm, afaik dpad generates regular keysyms`
`21:16.46`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe some other app eats them?`
`21:16.49`	`lcuk`	`not that i am seeing`
`21:16.55`	`lcuk`	`nom nom nom`
`21:17.18`	`KotCzarny`	`then maybe you don't watch for any keys ?`
`21:17.42`	`KotCzarny`	`they are seen as regular keyup/down`
`21:19.51`	`Navi`	`http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/DrgnAK/Filedb.png <- Bow before sonic and his sucky shaded glory`
`21:19.52`	`lcuk`	`no, they arent coming through at all, enter is MIA`
`21:20.09`	`lcuk`	`i drew sonic one night on my amiga :D`
`21:20.17`	`pupnik`	`Cool Navi`
`21:20.21`	`lcuk`	`WD navi`
`21:20.25`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: enter is eaten if you run hildon input method probably`
`21:20.34`	`KotCzarny`	`in terminal it brings up osk`
`21:20.35`	`lcuk`	`im running base x11`
`21:20.43`	`KotCzarny`	`then you should catch them`
`21:20.46`	`KotCzarny`	`run xev ?`
`21:20.47`	`lcuk`	`this app shouldnt even KNOW about hildon`
`21:21.02`	`pupnik`	`Navi put it in the art thread. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15660&page=3`
`21:21.02`	`lcuk`	`is it built in?`
`21:21.03`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe you try to catch wrong codes`
`21:21.06`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`21:21.08`	`Navi`	`pupnik, k`
`21:21.13`	`KotCzarny`	`but it compiles ok`
`21:21.28`	`Navi`	`If you hit shift+space, it'll put the N800 into N810 input mode.`
`21:21.38`	`Navi`	`so enter will work`
`21:21.49`	`lcuk`	`but this is an 810`
`21:21.56`	`lcuk`	`and im bashing the hardware keys`
`21:22.01`	`lcuk`	`and actual keys are showing through`
`21:22.06`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`21:22.07`	`lcuk`	`ie a-z0-9`
`21:22.14`	`Navi`	`Oh, what exactly are we talking about again?`
`21:22.24`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't have n810`
`21:22.31`	`lcuk`	`coding an x11 event handler`
`21:22.34`	`Navi`	`ah`
`21:22.38`	`lcuk`	`it shows bt keys as well`
`21:22.47`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe on 810 they map them differently`
`21:22.49`	`lcuk`	`and space and esc`
`21:22.55`	`lcuk`	`but not enter or del or dpad`
`21:23.07`	`KotCzarny`	`anyway, try xev`
`21:23.11`	`lcuk`	`yer i will do`
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`21:51.43`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, thanks :) they should be there and its something i am (not) doing. btw found some maemo built debs here http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./chinook/binary`
`21:52.57`	`KotCzarny`	`i just compile them myself`
`21:52.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:53.06`	`KotCzarny`	`otherwise you can simply get debian ones`
`21:53.12`	`KotCzarny`	`and make proper packages :)`
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`21:53.44`	`KotCzarny`	`unless it's your site you wanted to show off :)`
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`21:54.44`	`lcuk`	`not at all, if i setup the toolchain directly on the device (Which i keep being tempted by) then i would compile in situ but i dont like cross compiling at the best of times with my own app, i just dont want the hassle of doing other peoples`
`21:54.47`	`cyberholic`	`Hi everyone, i am back again :)`
`21:55.29`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: compiling with armel target in sbox produces the same binary as gcc on device :)`
`21:55.45`	`cyberholic`	`I just received an email from someone who testet out Mojocafe and once again, the time on the clocks are 1 hour in advance or 1 hour back. Someone of you allready said that this is due to something with the device, but can someone of you tell me again what exactly the error is?`
`21:56.16`	`KotCzarny`	`cyberholic: probably timezone mismatch`
`21:56.17`	`lcuk`	`yes, but then i have to transfer the resulting binary and keep a nice tidy builds location and stuff`
`21:56.31`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: not at all`
`21:56.44`	`KotCzarny`	`just sshfs mount your dev box on /usr/local`
`21:56.45`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`21:57.17`	`cyberholic`	`kot: but Flash takes the time from the device. In example: the date.gettime object in Flash simply just looks what time is set with the pc - does this not is the same like on the n800 or n810?`
`21:57.46`	`lcuk`	`do you have a date.daylightsavingsinuse flag?`
`21:57.47`	`KotCzarny`	`cyberholic: i don't know about flash :)`
`21:57.53`	`lcuk`	`or similar`
`21:58.35`	`cyberholic`	`Kot: the strange thing is that with some it shows the correct time. Very strange. Does it depend on the timezone set on the device?`
`21:58.43`	`lcuk`	`yes`
`21:58.45`	`KotCzarny`	`most likely`
`21:58.54`	`KotCzarny`	`buy a n800`
`21:58.55`	`lcuk`	`different countries have different daylight savings dates`
`21:58.58`	`KotCzarny`	`it's very cheap :)`
`21:59.05`	`lcuk`	`some countries do not have DST at all`
`21:59.24`	`lcuk`	`others have it but it differs in when it kicks in`
`21:59.58`	`KotCzarny`	`http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./wallpapers/smiling_table_preview.png`
`22:00.02`	`KotCzarny`	`nice idea for desktop applet`
`22:00.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:00.16`	`cyberholic`	`ok. so this looks like i will have to take the server time :(`
`22:00.21`	`lcuk`	`we can get transparent stuff..`
`22:00.23`	`cyberholic`	`hey kot: AWESOME design!`
`22:00.33`	`KotCzarny`	`cyberholic: it's not mine`
`22:00.39`	`cyberholic`	`what is it?`
`22:00.51`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: why.. simply take wallpaper and draw yourself ;)`
`22:01.26`	`KotCzarny`	`http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./other/images/long770_1.jpg`
`22:01.27`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`22:01.34`	`KotCzarny`	`i have seen that somewhere already`
`22:01.50`	`lcuk`	`loooooooooongcat approves`
`22:03.42`	`lcuk`	`back later`
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`22:05.07`	`KotCzarny`	`k`
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`22:45.46`	`pupnik`	`my pizza making powers grow ever stronger`
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`22:54.22`	`Navi`	`Yum`
`22:54.31`	`Navi`	`Fresh homemade pizza is great`
`22:55.36`	`edt`	`but not served on tablets`
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`23:00.03`	`mikedep333`	`hey, is SD card swap space useful on the n800(and presumably n810)?`
`23:02.20`	`mikedep333`	`oh, and I'm curious, what version is the kernel on ITOS 2008?`
`23:02.37`	`KotCzarny`	`swap: yes, but wears card a little`
`23:02.44`	`KotCzarny`	`version: run: uname -a`
`23:02.52`	`KotCzarny`	`(but it's 2.6.21`
`23:02.59`	`KotCzarny`	`modified of course`
`23:03.02`	`mikedep333`	`my n800 is in the mail :(`
`23:03.27`	`mikedep333`	`I don't care too much about wearing out a 2 GB sd card when I have another one`
`23:04.07`	`KotCzarny`	`sure, but data loss can be bad`
`23:04.08`	`mikedep333`	`you know`
`23:04.19`	`mikedep333`	`oh, good point`
`23:04.47`	`KotCzarny`	`pity they don't include option to create real swap partition`
`23:04.49`	`mikedep333`	`I hope syncing software gets better so that wouldnt be an issue`
`23:04.54`	`KotCzarny`	`but it can be done manually`
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`23:17.51`	`pupnik`	`any swap would be on a flash. if it's on an external card, you can replace when defective`
`23:18.04`	`pupnik`	`if on internal flash, well you get the picture`
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`23:41.39`	`edt`	`KotCzarny its not going to make much of a difference - in new kernels swap in fs is almost as good as swap in partn`
`23:42.55`	`edt`	`nokia is working on a fs for flash cards. They reciently posted a version on the kernel mailing list. Suspect in will make it in .26 or .27 (eg 3 to 6 months)`
`23:45.13`	`Tama^3`	`edt: what would be the advantage compared to an existing flash memory fs? :)`
`23:45.35`	`Tama^3`	`can you point me to a ML post or some info please?`
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`23:54.44`	`woochiwoochiwa`	`hello - does anybody have mypaint installed? I need help, having difficulties with python dependencies`
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`23:59.31`	`edt`	`existing fses are designed for hd. The one fs designed for flash works on raw flash (eg not sd or sdhc cards)`

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