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| 00:37.23 | pupnik | fargh no! no! don't crash! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 00:37.38 | pupnik | shit! |
| 00:37.47 | KotCzarny | mrm? |
| 00:37.56 | Navi | ? |
| 00:37.58 | pupnik | was just in a drawing trance for an hour |
| 00:38.01 | pupnik | and forgot to save |
| 00:38.05 | Navi | Heh |
| 00:38.05 | KotCzarny | .. |
| 00:38.06 | pupnik | and then crashed mypaint |
| 00:38.21 | KotCzarny | file for autosave |
| 00:38.41 | pupnik | i can fix the xrash |
| 00:38.55 | KotCzarny | though losing one hour of work is a sad thing |
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| 00:40.10 | pupnik | http://www.scottweisbrod.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/MarissaMayer_2796.jpg was sketching her |
| 00:40.25 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 00:40.30 | KotCzarny | specific |
| 00:40.34 | KotCzarny | not my type :) |
| 00:41.04 | KotCzarny | is she legal age? |
| 00:41.13 | pupnik | she's like vice president of google dude |
| 00:41.18 | KotCzarny | oh.. |
| 00:41.19 | pupnik | marissa mayer |
| 00:41.25 | KotCzarny | but still, is she legal age ;) |
| 00:41.47 | KotCzarny | from that pic she looks like 13 |
| 00:42.12 | pupnik | http://www.pascalrossini.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/mayerMarissa_5102.jpg |
| 00:42.16 | pupnik | there's another |
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| 00:42.30 | KotCzarny | now, this is more adultish |
| 00:42.30 | pupnik | dunno, 30ish |
| 00:43.03 | KotCzarny | but on the first pic she looked like a teen |
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| 00:43.31 | pupnik | "I use an e-mail application called Pine, a Linux-based utility," - marissa |
| 00:43.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:43.49 | KotCzarny | i prefer mutt |
| 00:44.09 | Navi | I like mutt better than pine |
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| 00:45.24 | rektide | c |
| 00:45.49 | rektide | although i think pine finally got open sourcd a couple years ago, iirc |
| 00:47.00 | Navi | Pine used a BSD-like license up 'till 3.9 or so |
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| 00:47.15 | KotCzarny | pine had some security related problems |
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| 00:49.42 | rektide | pine had some not-mutt issues |
| 00:49.47 | rektide | pine used to not be BSD thats for sure |
| 00:50.08 | Navi | rektide, no, it was a BSD-like license. |
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| 01:00.59 | pupnik | http://itsericbetch.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/uglygirl.jpg more fun things to draw... this woman for e.g. |
| 01:01.08 | pupnik | http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/paws/archives/ugliest-dog-3.jpg related to this dog? |
| 01:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | She steal Michael Jackson's nose? |
| 01:01.49 | KotCzarny | may share same illness |
| 01:02.40 | pupnik | http://media.ebaumsworld.com/2007/09/20UgliestCelebrities001.jpg michael jackson |
| 01:03.00 | KotCzarny | nono! the goglgeS! |
| 01:03.03 | KotCzarny | argh. |
| 01:03.19 | KotCzarny | whyohwhy have you done this to me? |
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| 01:08.30 | pupnik | hehe |
| 01:08.49 | KotCzarny | vista home costs 240$ ? |
| 01:08.50 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 01:09.04 | KotCzarny | 240 for taking away own right to use computer? |
| 01:09.06 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 01:10.06 | rektide | you can buy the upgrade for $85 |
| 01:10.10 | rektide | $75 sometimes |
| 01:10.15 | rektide | and it does not require anything to install |
| 01:10.20 | KotCzarny | still, it's not my point |
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| 01:11.58 | KotCzarny | do i have to disable wd for switching matchbox/hildon to fluxbox/kde ? |
| 01:12.00 | rektide | to me its the price to play video games. :/ |
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| 01:47.57 | pupnik | holy buckets. the Aye-aye may be the strangest animal i've ever seen |
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| 01:48.49 | KotCzarny | deepsea horrors are stranger |
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| 01:53.29 | Ziegle1 | What do you all recomend for a cpu / mem monitor on the nokia n810? |
| 01:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-cpu |
| 01:54.59 | Ziegle1 | Danke |
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| 02:14.00 | pupnik | KotCzarny: more things to draw with mypaint http://divaboo.info/ 25 Worlds Weirdest Animals |
| 02:14.50 | KotCzarny | heh.. you're into weird ? |
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| 02:22.31 | pupnik | those are some seriously strange animals |
| 02:23.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:24.04 | KotCzarny | http://divaboo.info/img/Komondor_Dog.jpg |
| 02:24.09 | KotCzarny | better known as 'mop' |
| 02:24.20 | KotCzarny | auto-mop |
| 02:24.23 | KotCzarny | that is |
| 02:25.29 | KotCzarny | and firefox is really redpanda |
| 02:25.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:32.53 | pupnik | grmbl |
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| 02:37.13 | KotCzarny | crashed again? |
| 02:48.48 | mikedep333 | hey |
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| 02:49.14 | mikedep333 | I am a serious geek and moderately advanced linux user who is considering buying the n800 |
| 02:49.24 | KotCzarny | what for? |
| 02:49.29 | mikedep333 | PDA like functions |
| 02:49.31 | mikedep333 | mobile computing |
| 02:49.52 | mikedep333 | I am especially interested in it because there is a 3rd party port of VPNC and a GUI for it |
| 02:50.01 | mikedep333 | so that I can connect to my school's cisco vpn |
| 02:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't recommend it for PIM usage. |
| 02:50.23 | mikedep333 | really? |
| 02:50.28 | mikedep333 | I thought pidgin was available for it |
| 02:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | The available suites are pretty good (Pimlico and GPE), and I find them plenty usable |
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| 02:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | but a lot of Palm users seem to think they suck |
| 02:50.47 | mikedep333 | lol |
| 02:50.52 | mikedep333 | my smartphone is a palm |
| 02:50.59 | mikedep333 | a fairly old one |
| 02:51.04 | mikedep333 | but I have never used my palm for PIM |
| 02:51.15 | KotCzarny | then you will like n8x0 |
| 02:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | But it's unmatched as a mobile Linux machine |
| 02:51.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:51.24 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 02:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | and a fantastic mobile browser. |
| 02:51.32 | mikedep333 | how does package installation go? |
| 02:51.34 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 02:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | Debian |
| 02:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | apt |
| 02:51.40 | mikedep333 | I heard that it uses the gecko engine |
| 02:51.44 | mikedep333 | and it has the flash plugin |
| 02:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB |
| 02:51.48 | mikedep333 | what other plugins does it have? |
| 02:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | Flash 9 |
| 02:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | A variety of ported Firefox plugins |
| 02:52.14 | mikedep333 | so you just double click (or equivalently select) a .deb and it installs? |
| 02:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 02:52.21 | mikedep333 | do you enter a root password? |
| 02:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | Not with the GUI package manager. |
| 02:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | "Application manager" |
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| 02:52.45 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 02:52.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's got a repository system |
| 02:52.51 | KotCzarny | default user is sudoed |
| 02:52.53 | mikedep333 | you can add repos easily, right? |
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| 02:52.57 | mikedep333 | gotcha |
| 02:53.01 | GeneralAntilles | So you add repositories (http://www.gronmayer.com/it) and install from there. |
| 02:53.04 | KotCzarny | i mean can install/remove packages |
| 02:53.18 | KotCzarny | and do some other tasks |
| 02:53.25 | mikedep333 | how does it handle PDFs from the web? |
| 02:53.28 | mikedep333 | videos on the web? |
| 02:53.45 | KotCzarny | as good as 400mhz cpu can do |
| 02:53.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | Videos on the web are hit and miss. |
| 02:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | YouTube is good |
| 02:54.02 | KotCzarny | but generally 400x240 is good |
| 02:54.06 | mikedep333 | yeah, youtube sounds great |
| 02:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | Other stuff sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. |
| 02:54.11 | mikedep333 | what about java? |
| 02:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | No Java yet |
| 02:54.31 | mikedep333 | oh well |
| 02:54.42 | KotCzarny | but there's always vnc |
| 02:54.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:54.43 | mikedep333 | hopefully with java ME being open sourced it will happen soon |
| 02:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page |
| 02:54.47 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 02:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | Is "in progress" |
| 02:54.53 | mikedep333 | how is rdesktop and vnc? |
| 02:55.03 | GeneralAntilles | Both work fine. |
| 02:55.13 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 02:55.14 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 02:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I find the screen a little cramped since most of the computers I'd VNC into are 1680x1050 + |
| 02:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | But that's what ssh is for. ;) |
| 02:55.32 | mikedep333 | I was thrilled to hear that they have a 800x480 screen |
| 02:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | The screen is really fantastic. |
| 02:55.43 | mikedep333 | should make desktop remote desktop usable |
| 02:55.56 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 02:56.03 | KotCzarny | btw. you should consider if you want more flash memory (n800) or kb+gps+looks (n810) |
| 02:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | Have you stumbled on http://www.internettablettalk.com yet? |
| 02:56.23 | mikedep333 | I saw you on one of the forums |
| 02:56.26 | mikedep333 | yeah, that one |
| 02:56.33 | KotCzarny | by flash memory i mean 2 available full size sd slots |
| 02:56.53 | KotCzarny | (on n800) |
| 02:57.00 | mikedep333 | yeah, I read about that |
| 02:57.07 | mikedep333 | two full size SD slots is appealing |
| 02:57.09 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 02:57.15 | mikedep333 | how does storage space work for apps and data? |
| 02:57.23 | mikedep333 | I am sure the 256MB flash memory gets filled up quickly |
| 02:57.30 | mikedep333 | can you install apps and docs to SD cards? |
| 02:57.36 | GeneralAntilles | You can boot from one of the cards |
| 02:57.42 | KotCzarny | if you format it with ext2/3 |
| 02:57.46 | KotCzarny | then apps are ok |
| 02:57.46 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 02:57.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:57.53 | mikedep333 | well |
| 02:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an 8GB card on the internal booting an OS2008 backup and Debian right now. |
| 02:58.01 | mikedep333 | without putting my entire OS on the SD card |
| 02:58.10 | KotCzarny | why not? |
| 02:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | You can extend the rootfs onto the card for more storage. |
| 02:58.18 | KotCzarny | treat internal flash as a backup |
| 02:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not an entirely simple operation |
| 02:58.27 | mikedep333 | unionFS? |
| 02:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | Better off just booting from the card |
| 02:58.30 | KotCzarny | and sd as 'i can wear it out and not cry about it' |
| 02:58.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Less part to break that way, anyway. |
| 02:58.42 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 02:58.48 | mikedep333 | I will probably just do that |
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| 02:59.11 | KotCzarny | if you like tinkering with linux you will love it |
| 02:59.12 | mikedep333 | is there any sort of snycing system? |
| 02:59.16 | mikedep333 | other than web services for that |
| 02:59.24 | mikedep333 | yeah, I do like tinkering with linux definitely |
| 02:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | Evolution is sorta an option with 3rd party stuff |
| 02:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | but not really. |
| 02:59.36 | mikedep333 | ok |
| 02:59.37 | GeneralAntilles | or rsync. ;) |
| 02:59.46 | mikedep333 | not file snycing |
| 02:59.54 | mikedep333 | I mean contacts, schedule |
| 03:00.01 | mikedep333 | oh, how is it for scheduling reminders? |
| 03:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly fine with either GPE or Pimlico |
| 03:00.15 | KotCzarny | that was covered in pim section at the beginning of this conversation? |
| 03:00.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really use it for PIM at all, so I can't entirely speak to that. |
| 03:00.30 | mikedep333 | oh, ok |
| 03:01.00 | mikedep333 | where can I read about the OS installation process? |
| 03:01.13 | mikedep333 | I saw somewhere that there are different revisions of IT OS 2008 |
| 03:01.14 | KotCzarny | what os installation process? |
| 03:01.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R |
| 03:01.24 | KotCzarny | flasher runs in few seconds |
| 03:01.25 | KotCzarny | done |
| 03:01.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | That's about the extent of it. |
| 03:01.29 | mikedep333 | it consists of extracting a tarball? |
| 03:01.33 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 03:01.35 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 03:01.36 | KotCzarny | mtdblock based |
| 03:01.41 | KotCzarny | flashing |
| 03:01.49 | mikedep333 | flasher ensures that it takes up the entire SD card? |
| 03:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | Flash upgrades for now. |
| 03:01.51 | Navi | Pimlico uses Evolution's DB |
| 03:01.55 | KotCzarny | no |
| 03:01.59 | KotCzarny | sd card is not used |
| 03:02.05 | KotCzarny | only internal (soldered) flash |
| 03:02.13 | mikedep333 | I thought you guys suggested I run my OS off the SD card |
| 03:02.17 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 03:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | Foor SD booting you'd flash to rootfs (no way to flash to SD), then tar the rootfs over to an SD partition |
| 03:02.23 | KotCzarny | so you mean 'cloning to mmc' ? |
| 03:02.25 | Navi | The syncing app for the Pimlico project hasn't reached stable |
| 03:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | but the next release (Diablo) has flashless updates (SSU) |
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| 03:02.42 | KotCzarny | well, you make partition, you copy roots, you install new initfs, done |
| 03:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | Which work through apt. |
| 03:02.49 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:02.57 | mikedep333 | to all those things |
| 03:03.24 | mikedep333 | can you guys highlight any good games? |
| 03:03.30 | KotCzarny | forget 3d |
| 03:03.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik.de |
| 03:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | Check out the games forum on ITT |
| 03:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ |
| 03:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | Quake1/2, Doom, Duke Nukem, and Tyrian are some good ones. |
| 03:05.12 | mikedep333 | tyrian! |
| 03:05.14 | mikedep333 | awesome |
| 03:05.21 | mikedep333 | I loved playing that for dos |
| 03:05.36 | mikedep333 | when I get time I am going to try out opentyrian SVN for either my windows or linux box |
| 03:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's also great for ebooks (FBReader) |
| 03:05.59 | GeneralAntilles | and a pretty decent PMP |
| 03:06.05 | mikedep333 | supertux |
| 03:06.06 | mikedep333 | woot |
| 03:06.07 | mikedep333 | say |
| 03:06.17 | mikedep333 | what happens if you encounter a PDF while browsing? |
| 03:06.45 | mikedep333 | ur-quan masters, very cool |
| 03:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | It should open in the built-in PDF reader |
| 03:07.03 | GeneralAntilles | But for some reason I don't recall offhand |
| 03:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | has been using the platform for almost 3 years now, too. : |
| 03:07.30 | mikedep333 | the platform for 3 years? |
| 03:07.34 | mikedep333 | when was the 770 released? |
| 03:08.07 | GeneralAntilles | November 2005 |
| 03:08.07 | mikedep333 | oh, nov05 |
| 03:08.47 | mikedep333 | how does the OS work in regards to running multiple apps at once? |
| 03:08.50 | mikedep333 | does it allow that? |
| 03:08.54 | KotCzarny | it's linux |
| 03:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 03:08.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | Multitasking works great. |
| 03:09.01 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:09.07 | mikedep333 | I'll confess |
| 03:09.13 | mikedep333 | I have a hacked ipod touch right now |
| 03:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | 5 or 6 browser windows open with xterm, XChat and a couple of IM session running. |
| 03:09.23 | mikedep333 | awesome |
| 03:10.14 | mrklaw | I have an im window, podcast aggregator and media player all open right now on my N800 |
| 03:10.30 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:10.44 | mikedep333 | so do mplayer and/or VLC have better performance than the included media player? |
| 03:10.52 | mikedep333 | and how do they support WMV files? |
| 03:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer has a lot better performance |
| 03:10.58 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:10.59 | KotCzarny | ffmpeg |
| 03:11.05 | KotCzarny | mostly |
| 03:11.06 | mikedep333 | yeah, I love ffmpeg |
| 03:11.09 | KotCzarny | because it's arm |
| 03:11.10 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer has been VERY heavily optimized. |
| 03:11.14 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:11.16 | KotCzarny | and can't run use .dll |
| 03:11.58 | KotCzarny | some people even put kde on it |
| 03:12.11 | KotCzarny | don't know why |
| 03:12.14 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 03:12.18 | mikedep333 | yeah, I saw some comments on that |
| 03:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | It'll handle most *ahem* bittorrent acquired stuff pretty well. |
| 03:12.20 | mikedep333 | very cool |
| 03:12.21 | mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/02/ctia-coverage-the-nokia-n810-wimax-edition/ |
| 03:12.35 | mikedep333 | so |
| 03:12.41 | mikedep333 | wimax with xohm? |
| 03:12.47 | mikedep333 | is that actually going to happen soon? |
| 03:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | This summer. |
| 03:13.12 | mikedep333 | I'm afraid xohm will be too expensive for me |
| 03:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming you're in one of their (few) covered cities. |
| 03:13.19 | mikedep333 | and/or not available in State College, PA |
| 03:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~$40-$60 |
| 03:13.29 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 03:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | They offer daily access, too. |
| 03:14.17 | mikedep333 | I hope daily access is affordable |
| 03:14.28 | mikedep333 | I'll probably end up going for the N800 |
| 03:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | I would. |
| 03:14.37 | mikedep333 | because of price and storage |
| 03:14.51 | mikedep333 | especially since my OS will be on one SD card |
| 03:15.15 | mikedep333 | and I'd like a free SD slot |
| 03:16.10 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 03:16.11 | mikedep333 | with skype |
| 03:16.20 | mikedep333 | can you hold the n800 upto your ear like a phone? |
| 03:16.29 | KotCzarny | what for? |
| 03:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | You could |
| 03:16.35 | mikedep333 | for privacy |
| 03:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | But you'd look like a jackass. :P |
| 03:16.39 | KotCzarny | headphones |
| 03:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'd get a headset instead. |
| 03:16.43 | Navi | Better than sidetalking |
| 03:16.45 | KotCzarny | regular minijack |
| 03:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | It comes bundled with a wired one. |
| 03:16.52 | mikedep333 | can I use bluetooth for it? |
| 03:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | slabtalking |
| 03:16.58 | Navi | Original N-Gage owners unite! |
| 03:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 03:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth headsets work great. |
| 03:17.09 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:17.26 | mikedep333 | what comes in the N800 box? |
| 03:17.31 | mikedep333 | other than a wired headset |
| 03:17.36 | KotCzarny | 2 stylus' |
| 03:17.39 | KotCzarny | 128mb card |
| 03:17.44 | KotCzarny | pouch |
| 03:17.50 | KotCzarny | charger |
| 03:17.56 | KotCzarny | skype voucher |
| 03:17.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:18.02 | mikedep333 | can you put it in the pouch and then put it in your pocket? |
| 03:18.07 | mikedep333 | ;-) |
| 03:18.10 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 03:18.14 | mikedep333 | cool |
| 03:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | 128MB MiniSD, 1 USB cable, 1 pouch, 1 charger, 1 N800, 1 headset |
| 03:18.19 | Tama^2 | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3rvcj4gjVvw |
| 03:18.21 | Navi | That's what I do |
| 03:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I just leave the pouch in my pocket |
| 03:18.59 | mikedep333 | awesome |
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| 03:18.59 | phunguy | hey all |
| 03:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | and slip the N800 in and out of it like a little sub-pocket. |
| 03:19.00 | phunguy | i just got my n810 today.. been playing around |
| 03:19.10 | KotCzarny | oh, another believer |
| 03:19.31 | Navi | I take it out so I can rest my N800 on the table |
| 03:19.40 | phunguy | it keeps hanging trying to update repositories.. hanging on mg.pov.lt |
| 03:19.41 | Navi | the desks at school are slanted and extremely slick |
| 03:19.47 | phunguy | i'm not sure how to remove that entry from the repositories |
| 03:19.49 | KotCzarny | mg.pov.lt ? |
| 03:19.53 | KotCzarny | it's not so official |
| 03:19.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:20.00 | KotCzarny | manage repos |
| 03:20.03 | GeneralAntilles | Open up Application manager |
| 03:20.04 | KotCzarny | in menu |
| 03:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | tap the menu, tap Tools, tap Application Catalogs... |
| 03:20.35 | phunguy | thx general :_ |
| 03:20.36 | phunguy | :) |
| 03:20.58 | mikedep333 | alright, thanks alot guys |
| 03:21.02 | mikedep333 | I am probably going to order one |
| 03:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | Do so. |
| 03:21.30 | GeneralAntilles | phunguy, you can just select "Disable" |
| 03:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | Rather than deleting it outright. |
| 03:21.37 | phunguy | hrm |
| 03:21.39 | phunguy | already deleted it |
| 03:21.43 | mikedep333 | I'm in the US |
| 03:21.47 | phunguy | that whole domain doesn't seem to be respondign |
| 03:21.51 | mikedep333 | does any place have it for especially cheap? |
| 03:21.58 | phunguy | mikedep333 tigerdirect is ok pricing |
| 03:21.58 | KotCzarny | craigslist |
| 03:21.59 | KotCzarny | and ebay |
| 03:22.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:22.04 | phunguy | i just got my n810 from TD in canada |
| 03:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Screw tigerdirect. |
| 03:22.11 | mikedep333 | I think the nokia store or whatever has it for $240 with free shipping |
| 03:22.15 | GeneralAntilles | Buy usually has the best deals. |
| 03:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | Check newegg. |
| 03:22.24 | phunguy | yeah |
| 03:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | They seem to be carrying it for less than MSRP these days. |
| 03:22.29 | phunguy | those are us sites i'm not privy to :( |
| 03:22.35 | KotCzarny | there was a shop on froogle carrying them for 205 |
| 03:22.38 | KotCzarny | free shipping |
| 03:22.40 | mikedep333 | wow |
| 03:22.40 | phunguy | i wish i could use newegg |
| 03:22.44 | phunguy | its awesome :P |
| 03:22.45 | mikedep333 | did the n800 originally cost $400? |
| 03:22.50 | mikedep333 | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2817195&CatId=228 |
| 03:22.55 | KotCzarny | more |
| 03:22.56 | Navi | 480ish? |
| 03:22.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:24.12 | mikedep333 | umm, wow |
| 03:24.19 | mikedep333 | they just raised the price on their online store |
| 03:24.24 | mikedep333 | from $240 to $300 |
| 03:24.34 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:24.38 | mikedep333 | I'm thinking I better buy it quick in case they raise the price again |
| 03:24.49 | phunguy | lol |
| 03:24.49 | mikedep333 | *in case they raise the price for every store |
| 03:24.49 | KotCzarny | for n800? |
| 03:24.58 | mikedep333 | http://nokia-nseries.letstalk.com/product/recommendproduct.htm?index=1&cartsid=1672460349&ft=1&tfdPrId=&devicePrId=32245&servicePrId=28726 |
| 03:25.37 | phunguy | anyone have any other cool nokia gadgets |
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| 03:25.42 | phunguy | I have an n95 |
| 03:25.52 | KotCzarny | i have n-gage |
| 03:25.53 | phunguy | i want the n96 tho :P... but i can't justify it |
| 03:25.54 | KotCzarny | (original) |
| 03:26.12 | phunguy | i never really researched much on the n-gage |
| 03:26.16 | KotCzarny | second one in fact |
| 03:26.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:26.21 | phunguy | it symbian-based? |
| 03:26.33 | KotCzarny | s60 1.2 |
| 03:26.37 | phunguy | i see |
| 03:26.49 | phunguy | first nokia i got was an n80 a couple yrs ago |
| 03:26.52 | phunguy | sry |
| 03:26.56 | phunguy | n93, then n80 |
| 03:26.59 | KotCzarny | i got 5510 |
| 03:27.03 | phunguy | now my n95 |
| 03:27.03 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:27.10 | phunguy | l33t! |
| 03:27.11 | phunguy | lol |
| 03:27.16 | KotCzarny | yeah, cute |
| 03:27.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:27.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 03:28.06 | KotCzarny | tiger direct is 230$ + compulsory service plan for 40$ |
| 03:28.18 | phunguy | running an apt-get update is the same and updating the gui right? |
| 03:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 03:28.27 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 03:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | That just fetches new lists from the repos. |
| 03:28.31 | KotCzarny | apt-get is stable |
| 03:28.38 | phunguy | ok |
| 03:28.38 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get upgrade updates packages |
| 03:28.40 | KotCzarny | app-manager is unstable |
| 03:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not recommended |
| 03:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | as it can break things, depending on the time of year and what repos you have installed. |
| 03:28.54 | phunguy | alright |
| 03:29.09 | phunguy | well i'm just using the terminal to see where its hanging (which repo its hanging on) |
| 03:29.12 | phunguy | once i get a clean one |
| 03:29.19 | phunguy | i'll use the gui |
| 03:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, unless you meant "same as updating with Application manager" |
| 03:29.42 | phunguy | yeah |
| 03:29.43 | GeneralAntilles | In which case, yes, it's the same. |
| 03:29.44 | phunguy | thats what i meant |
| 03:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager is just a front-end for apt. |
| 03:29.53 | phunguy | i see |
| 03:30.05 | mikedep333 | I am about to buy it from buy.com |
| 03:30.06 | mikedep333 | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204055141&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=204055141&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890 |
| 03:30.10 | phunguy | i really appreciate the answers guys... most people just say rtfm |
| 03:30.11 | phunguy | which i should |
| 03:30.19 | phunguy | but thats what got me all these extra repos i don't need :P |
| 03:30.25 | KotCzarny | there's no manual |
| 03:30.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | The manual for this thing is harder to find. ;) |
| 03:30.33 | phunguy | rofl |
| 03:30.33 | KotCzarny | but you can go and read maemo.org and itt |
| 03:30.34 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 03:30.46 | KotCzarny | actually it's very good |
| 03:30.47 | GeneralAntilles | Looks fine, mikedep333. |
| 03:30.52 | KotCzarny | and many howtos are there |
| 03:30.59 | KotCzarny | for n00bs and pros alike |
| 03:31.16 | phunguy | Get:81 http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Packages [3448B] |
| 03:31.17 | phunguy | Get:82 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages [20.0kB] |
| 03:31.17 | phunguy | 99% [66 Packages gzip 0] [Connecting to download.talinux.tal.org (195.16.220.82 |
| 03:31.21 | phunguy | then it hanggggs |
| 03:31.22 | phunguy | sry |
| 03:31.26 | phunguy | i'll use pastebin next time |
| 03:31.40 | KotCzarny | now you know |
| 03:31.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:32.04 | Navi | heh |
| 03:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | 5 lines is generally the rule of thumb |
| 03:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | Though that goes down as channel activity goes up. |
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| 03:35.37 | phunguy | hrm |
| 03:35.50 | phunguy | i can't find the download.talinux.tal.org in my repos |
| 03:36.03 | phunguy | is there a file i can look in manually on the device |
| 03:36.08 | phunguy | i checked /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:36.10 | phunguy | but it was nothing |
| 03:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.23 | phunguy | w00t |
| 03:36.23 | GeneralAntilles | Or something similar |
| 03:36.24 | phunguy | thx |
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| 03:50.11 | KotCzarny | hi pupnik |
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| 05:10.31 | Italodance | HELLO GOOD MORNING! |
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| 05:16.37 | corevette | so does anyone know if youtube plugin works on canola on Nokia770 HE? |
| 05:20.49 | pupnik | i like mytube |
| 05:20.55 | KotCzarny | yourtube? |
| 05:20.57 | pupnik | simple python app |
| 05:20.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:21.20 | KotCzarny | recompiles everything with vfp |
| 05:21.30 | KotCzarny | now i have cloned sys i can play |
| 05:21.39 | KotCzarny | and have a base to compare things |
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| 05:22.08 | Italodance | pupnik hi! |
| 05:23.07 | Italodance | pupnik can i install Jagged Alliance 2 to my mmc2 too? |
| 05:24.33 | Italodance | and ja2_0.8-demo.deb (DEMO) can works with sound? |
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| 05:33.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:33.09 | KotCzarny | does qemu support vfp ? |
| 05:33.18 | kulve | I think so |
| 05:34.18 | KotCzarny | because i'm getting sig11 while building glib2 with -mcpu=arm1136jf-s |
| 05:34.23 | KotCzarny | in the same exact place |
| 05:34.39 | KotCzarny | issuing make again goes through |
| 05:34.51 | kulve | only the very latest qemus support armv6 |
| 05:34.53 | KotCzarny | but i don't know how to build .deb then |
| 05:35.03 | kulve | and I'm not sure if that support is perfect in any way |
| 05:35.19 | KotCzarny | hmm, but am i guessing it right |
| 05:35.25 | KotCzarny | erm, no |
| 05:35.37 | KotCzarny | otherwise following make will fail too |
| 05:36.28 | kulve | qemu supports vfp but not ARMv6. make doesn't run binaries, so it doesn't matter for it what binaries your gcc produces |
| 05:36.42 | KotCzarny | kulve, i'm only talking about build |
| 05:36.44 | KotCzarny | right now |
| 05:36.59 | KotCzarny | i issue dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:37.02 | kulve | "only" |
| 05:37.05 | KotCzarny | it fails in the same exact place |
| 05:37.18 | KotCzarny | if i issue 'make' it goes through |
| 05:37.29 | kulve | dpkg-buildpackage can do anything in the rules files, so it doesn't say much |
| 05:37.51 | KotCzarny | creating glib-genmarshal |
| 05:37.55 | KotCzarny | it's this part |
| 05:38.14 | kulve | yeah, those goes easily boom with qemu |
| 05:38.35 | kulve | I suggest using sbrsh when building for ARMv6 |
| 05:38.37 | KotCzarny | but why another make just a second later works? |
| 05:40.36 | skibur | Has anybody been able to boot Linux+Kde on the N800? |
| 05:40.46 | skibur | not maemo? |
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| 05:50.02 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:50.12 | KotCzarny | 8x0 has 2420 cpu, right? |
| 05:50.20 | kulve | yes |
| 05:50.33 | KotCzarny | i wonder |
| 05:50.51 | KotCzarny | OMAP2420 - 330 MHz ARM11 |
| 05:50.55 | KotCzarny | OMAP2430 - 330 MHz ARM1136 |
| 05:51.18 | KotCzarny | but gcc has only `arm1136jf-s' |
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| 05:51.46 | KotCzarny | (also higher, but those i believe would fail) |
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| 05:52.55 | KotCzarny | maybe it's just wikipedia with not so correct info |
| 05:53.15 | kulve | what do you mean "only"? What would you like to use? |
| 05:53.31 | KotCzarny | something that's best for 8x0 |
| 05:54.02 | pupnik | holy buckers! i got a wsod-looking LCD controller error on n810 |
| 05:54.08 | pupnik | with my latest build of mypaint |
| 05:54.22 | KotCzarny | from gcc manual: `arm1136j-s', `arm1136jf-s', `mpcore', `mpcorenovfp', `arm1156t2-s', `arm1176jz-s', `arm1176jzf-s', |
| 05:54.25 | pupnik | the screen started going strange black/white/indiscribable color |
| 05:54.25 | kulve | KotCzarny: I think the 1136jf-s is just fine. Or even -march=armv6 |
| 05:54.36 | Italodance | pupnik??????????????/ |
| 05:55.01 | KotCzarny | pupnik: crashing day? |
| 05:55.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:55.03 | pupnik | huh, you should use -mcpu=arm1136j-s afaik |
| 05:55.16 | pupnik | i've never seen a lcd controller error on n810 before |
| 05:55.58 | kulve | KotCzarny: and you probably know that the -mcpu or -march doesn't state anything about vfp.. |
| 05:56.14 | KotCzarny | kulve, i use vfp proper line too |
| 05:56.21 | KotCzarny | -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp |
| 05:56.27 | KotCzarny | if that's what you're talking about |
| 05:56.33 | kulve | yup |
| 05:57.12 | KotCzarny | from arm.com: |
| 05:57.13 | KotCzarny | The only difference between the ARM1136JF-S and ARM1136J-S processor is that the ARM1136JF-S processor includes a Vector Floating-Point (VFP) coprocessor. |
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| 05:57.27 | KotCzarny | so i guess it doesn't matter |
| 05:57.34 | KotCzarny | as long vfp line is included |
| 05:57.40 | kulve | yeah, probably |
| 05:57.51 | KotCzarny | or (f) simply enables gcc to pickup that line by itself |
| 05:58.00 | kulve | I think it doesn't |
| 05:58.07 | KotCzarny | let's consult specs |
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| 05:58.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:58.25 | kulve | It's always a good idea to check from the spec instead of guessing :) |
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| 05:58.36 | kulve | but guessing is faster (until you guess wrong) |
| 05:58.59 | KotCzarny | yeah, i'm in the point of getting it right (see sig11) |
| 05:59.18 | kulve | I don't use qemu because it fails way too often |
| 05:59.24 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:59.42 | KotCzarny | but compiling on pentium-m is a little faster |
| 05:59.44 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 05:59.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:59.45 | kulve | but sbrsh has its own issues too.. |
| 06:00.07 | kulve | humm.. How does compiling relate to this..? |
| 06:00.21 | KotCzarny | i use qemu only for compiling |
| 06:00.24 | KotCzarny | not actual testing |
| 06:00.29 | kulve | no, you don't |
| 06:00.36 | KotCzarny | for that i install final .deb on device |
| 06:00.43 | kulve | you use gcc for compiling |
| 06:00.55 | KotCzarny | bug arm compiled gcc ? |
| 06:00.57 | KotCzarny | but |
| 06:01.11 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 06:01.35 | kulve | yeah, gcc *only*. But the whole build process almost always includes running configure and configure runs binaries to see that the options it gives to gcc produces sane binaries |
| 06:01.45 | kulve | and for that you need a way to run ARM binaries |
| 06:02.06 | kulve | and there are two possibilities with Scratchbox: qemu and sbrsh |
| 06:02.08 | KotCzarny | i have thought qemu is used to emulate arm cpu, and then simply running arm binaries |
| 06:02.36 | KotCzarny | ie. if i copy gcc from scratchbox to nokia it will run |
| 06:02.43 | kulve | also some packages run stuff like glib-marshal which are usually ARM binaries and thus needs the qemu or sbrsh |
| 06:02.47 | KotCzarny | at least till the point where it fails to find libs |
| 06:03.07 | kulve | gcc in SB is a x86 binary, you cannot run that on ARM device |
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| 06:03.54 | kulve | you can run both x86 and ARM binaries inside the SB. SB knows which is which and for x86 it runs them normally and for ARM it uses qemu to emulate or sbrsh to run it on "cpu transparency device" |
| 06:04.27 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 06:05.55 | KotCzarny | you're right |
| 06:06.00 | KotCzarny | hum. |
| 06:09.10 | KotCzarny | let's try qemu-arm-cvs |
| 06:09.20 | KotCzarny | but there's also qemu-arm-cvs-m |
| 06:09.24 | KotCzarny | what's the difference? |
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| 06:14.45 | cLin | anyone use irssi? |
| 06:15.47 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 06:15.54 | cLin | do you? |
| 06:16.03 | KotCzarny | once or twice |
| 06:16.19 | KotCzarny | but i may know an answer to your question |
| 06:16.24 | KotCzarny | so ask away |
| 06:17.07 | kulve | irssi is the only one |
| 06:17.16 | KotCzarny | i prefer epic |
| 06:17.17 | kulve | KotCzarny: are you familiar with the sbrsh? |
| 06:17.29 | KotCzarny | probably because not being dependant on perl :) |
| 06:17.34 | KotCzarny | kulve: not quite |
| 06:17.53 | KotCzarny | i only know it's a kind of distccd |
| 06:19.04 | kulve | KotCzarny: it an alternative for qemu. It uses the actual device (like n810) for running the binary instead of emulating it with qemu. It's a bit more hashle to set it up as you need NFS server on the SB computer and the sbrshd running on the device nfs mounts your SB to the device and runs the binaries from there. But once it's setup it's as painless as qemu |
| 06:20.08 | KotCzarny | what is the actual performance for gcc/dpkg with it? |
| 06:20.14 | KotCzarny | (comparing to the qemu way) |
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| 06:21.10 | KotCzarny | (maybe i should simply change mcpu to mtune..) |
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| 06:21.23 | kulve | gcc only produces the binary, it never tries to run it. But e.g. configure runs stuff and building gecko builds some ARM binaries which it then uses to install stuff. sbrsh is a bit slower that qemu depending on the package. For gecko, it's much slower. |
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| 06:22.10 | opendeep | anyone uses chinook |
| 06:22.16 | KotCzarny | but if i don't use flags that would create qemu-incompatible binary, qemu is as good as sbrsh ? |
| 06:23.16 | Proteous | mmc speed boost kernel == teh win |
| 06:23.38 | KotCzarny | proteous: depends on card ;) |
| 06:23.44 | kulve | it's not that simple. They both have issues. Especially some packages creates an ARM binary which tries to run something like make. Then it goes boom with sbrsh for sure and seems often go boom with qemu too |
| 06:24.00 | kulve | opendeep: most people here I think |
| 06:24.06 | opendeep | when I tried to install pygtk in sbox , it does not find any related package |
| 06:24.13 | Proteous | my kingston card now works |
| 06:24.19 | Proteous | well, at a reasonable speed |
| 06:24.26 | KotCzarny | proteous: hdparm -t ? |
| 06:24.29 | Proteous | not super dog ass slow |
| 06:24.39 | Proteous | ? |
| 06:24.48 | KotCzarny | what speeds are you getting |
| 06:24.50 | Proteous | also, I use irssi |
| 06:24.51 | KotCzarny | before/after |
| 06:24.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:25.12 | Proteous | didn't do a speed test, just real world tests of copying MP3s via USB before and after |
| 06:25.23 | Proteous | before == super slow |
| 06:25.31 | Proteous | after == acceptable speed |
| 06:25.35 | Proteous | for USB 1 |
| 06:25.38 | KotCzarny | for me it's the same before and after |
| 06:25.45 | opendeep | hello kulve , can you give me an idea |
| 06:25.46 | KotCzarny | usb?? |
| 06:25.52 | Proteous | ??????? |
| 06:25.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:26.01 | KotCzarny | for me it's ~4mb/s |
| 06:26.10 | KotCzarny | before and after the patch |
| 06:26.16 | kulve | opendeep: nope, I don't know anything about python.. |
| 06:26.18 | kulve | sorry |
| 06:26.33 | opendeep | its ok. |
| 06:27.05 | opendeep | kulve ,on what app's you are working |
| 06:27.18 | KotCzarny | opendeep: check sbox repos? |
| 06:27.30 | opendeep | ok |
| 06:27.41 | kulve | opendeep: currently, nothing. I've made the ogg-support and done something with a media player called kilikali |
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| 06:31.57 | KotCzarny | btw. sb + mc (with proper ext/menu entries) roolez |
| 06:31.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:32.28 | KotCzarny | imo it should be a part of rootfs |
| 06:33.58 | opendeep | KotCzarny : outside the sbox, I got python-gtk2-dev (pak) in search results,but why dont it give in sbox? |
| 06:34.21 | KotCzarny | if you compile inside sbox it doesn't use libs from the outside |
| 06:34.34 | KotCzarny | if i got you right |
| 06:35.03 | KotCzarny | so you have to add proper repo to sbox repos too |
| 06:35.41 | KotCzarny | kulve: hum, using qemu-cvs-m worked |
| 06:35.46 | opendeep | apt-cache search ,is not giving the same results in sbox and outside of is |
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| 06:38.37 | KotCzarny | kulve: if i use mcpu i don't have to set march too, right? |
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| 06:44.58 | pupnik | anybody know how i can get a hildon popup message like the one used for 'Battery Full' using python? |
| 06:45.05 | pupnik | <- lazy, no pygtk experience |
| 06:45.05 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 06:45.19 | KotCzarny | but i don't know the magic word |
| 06:45.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:45.30 | pupnik | 'please'?? |
| 06:45.39 | KotCzarny | erm, not this one :) |
| 06:45.46 | KotCzarny | but now i have to check google :) |
| 06:45.48 | pupnik | ok nm, i'll look into it |
| 06:46.13 | KotCzarny | http://www.daa.com.au/pipermail/pygtk/2006-October/012971.html |
| 06:46.32 | KotCzarny | though i should add maemo to the query |
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| 06:48.01 | kulve | KotCzarny: I think so |
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| 06:55.53 | solmumaha | pupnik: try searching python docs for Hildon Banner |
| 06:58.12 | pupnik | thanks! |
| 06:58.20 | solmumaha | Hildon::Banner.show_information(icon, message) or similar |
| 06:58.50 | pupnik | i'd ask someone who knows python to do this, but nobody else knows how *I* want to draw :) |
| 06:59.01 | Italodance | pupnik thnaks! |
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| 06:59.17 | pupnik | you seen the new mypaint solmumaha ? |
| 06:59.32 | solmumaha | no |
| 06:59.48 | pupnik | do you enjoy sketching stuff? doodling? |
| 07:00.18 | solmumaha | not really |
| 07:00.23 | pupnik | ok |
| 07:00.33 | solmumaha | i really suck at stuff like that |
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| 07:24.45 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:30.48 | Italodance | morning hrw :D |
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| 07:35.16 | hrw | hi GeneralAntilles |
| 07:35.32 | hrw | hi greentux |
| 07:35.35 | hrw | ~curse tab |
| 07:35.36 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tab ! |
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| 07:36.37 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, arachnist ! |
| 07:36.47 | KotCzarny | ~curse you |
| 07:36.47 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, you ! |
| 07:36.56 | KotCzarny | ~curse ! |
| 07:36.56 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ! ! |
| 07:37.09 | arachnist | ~curse yourself |
| 07:37.10 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, yourself ! |
| 07:37.18 | KotCzarny | ~curse infobot |
| 07:37.18 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot ! |
| 07:37.35 | arachnist | is it stuck? |
| 07:37.51 | hrw | ~rcurse |
| 07:37.53 | pupnik | ~curse KotCzarny |
| 07:37.54 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, KotCzarny ! |
| 07:37.57 | pupnik | hmm |
| 07:38.08 | KotCzarny | ~curse \ |
| 07:38.09 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, \ ! |
| 07:38.42 | arachnist | ~curse dupa |
| 07:38.43 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dupa ! |
| 07:38.59 | KotCzarny | ~curse myself |
| 07:39.00 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, myself ! |
| 07:39.44 | arachnist | [ot]ilu z nas tutaj rozumie po polsku? :>[/ot] |
| 07:39.55 | hrw | arachnist: pewnie ma³o kto |
| 07:39.57 | KotCzarny | [ot]pewnie wielu[/ot] |
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| 07:40.50 | arachnist | 2 mutually-exclusive replies... ;> |
| 07:41.23 | KotCzarny | life |
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| 07:42.17 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 07:44.25 | KotCzarny | question, what's the probability of glibc upgrade actually succeeding? |
| 07:44.31 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:45.14 | johnx | how major is the upgrade and what is the source? |
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| 07:45.30 | KotCzarny | i'm rebuilding libs with vfp |
| 07:45.40 | arachnist | vfp? |
| 07:45.45 | KotCzarny | fpu |
| 07:45.49 | arachnist | oh |
| 07:46.08 | opendeep | kotCzarny: I installed Python2.5-gtk2-devel,still i got pygtk not found error |
| 07:46.30 | arachnist | n800 has a usable fpu? i thought you had to use softfloat on it |
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| 07:47.08 | KotCzarny | arachnist: it has hardware fpu, only calling it is similiar to software |
| 07:47.22 | opendeep | Do I need to set any PYTHONPATH variable |
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| 08:22.43 | pupnik | it's 2nd grade in a .deb! |
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| 08:25.53 | ssvb | hi pupnik |
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| 08:27.10 | inz | pupnik, uuh, waterculors |
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| 08:28.12 | inz | pupnik, doesn't that make your tablet, like, wet? |
| 08:28.18 | pupnik | hehe |
| 08:28.39 | pupnik | this app might actually cause me to end u |
| 08:28.44 | pupnik | pp with a scratched screen |
| 08:28.50 | inz | =) |
| 08:29.08 | Proteous | < pupnik> this app might actually cause me to end u |
| 08:29.16 | Proteous | cowers in fear |
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| 08:29.35 | aquatix | there, there, pupnik isn't *that* scary ;) |
| 08:29.38 | pupnik | hah didn't catch that one |
| 08:29.53 | aquatix | pupnik: is that some painting program? |
| 08:30.52 | pupnik | yes, anders_gud hildonized mypaint (partially) and i'm tweaking it a bit |
| 08:31.00 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079 |
| 08:31.10 | aquatix | ah, nice |
| 08:31.13 | aquatix | bookmarked |
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| 08:35.22 | inz | Someone added spaces inside parentheses |
| 08:35.34 | aquatix | fun |
| 08:35.41 | aquatix | thankfully, the .deb worked fine |
| 08:35.46 | aquatix | here at least ;) |
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| 08:42.51 | Proteous | heh |
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| 10:19.28 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:46.15 | sven-tek | Hi maemo-users. Iam trying to connect a external webcam to a n800(chinook). I have got an adapter to put additional power supply on the usb port. The kernel doesnt know about the adapter and refuses to start the device because it needs more current than n800 could handle. Can i work around that kernel limits? |
| 10:47.22 | lardman | hmm, do the limits apply even when the device is not attached to the n800's internal hub? strange |
| 10:47.32 | lardman | certainly you can patch the kernel |
| 10:47.50 | X-Fade_ | sven-tek: I guess it is a hardware limit. The device just can't supply more power. |
| 10:48.19 | sven-tek | the device tells the kernel via usb how much current it needs |
| 10:48.28 | sven-tek | normally that would be okay |
| 10:48.41 | sven-tek | but i do attach a power supply to the power line |
| 10:49.22 | sven-tek | i fixed the power problem, but the kernel doesnt know about it |
| 10:51.51 | lardman | is the external hub usually unpowered, did you hack the power connection to it? |
| 10:53.10 | lardman | in any case you may be able to override it like so: http://lwn.net/Articles/186331/ |
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| 10:59.55 | sven-tek | i attached a "real" powered usb hub now. that works |
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| 11:11.08 | lardman | sven-tek: See that article, the hub identifies itself as being powered or not and the kernel reacts accordingly, etc. |
| 11:11.15 | lardman | glad you got it working |
| 11:12.50 | lardman | sven-tek: is there an up-to-date list of working (or non-working) usb cameras somewhere? |
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| 11:14.43 | sven-tek_ | i dont think so |
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| 11:34.56 | tbf | strange, that the func argument of gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup() has the type GCallback, instead of GtkMenuPositionFunc |
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| 11:45.16 | WorkingOnWise | can someone point me to a howto for pairing my N800 to my laptop (Ubuntu Gutsy) so I can sync, probably with rsync, stuff between them? |
| 11:46.47 | WorkingOnWise | I get "Couldn't display "obex://[00:19:4f:DB:BA:F5]/". Errror: Host down |
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| 12:42.37 | hullfandan | Does anyone know if BlueZ calls are supported in scrathbox by default or if you have to set them up to be supported in scratchbox? |
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| 12:45.05 | hullfandan | There has to be one Bluetooth/Meamo expert on here surely? ;) |
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| 12:45.51 | thp | I don't get a window-state-changed signal for minimize/unminimize (iconify) on my hildon.Window - how do I detect these changes? |
| 12:45.52 | Italodance | how can i add an app to select applets? |
| 12:45.56 | Italodance | ????? |
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| 12:57.13 | mikedep333 | I've used bluetooth on desktop gnome linux before |
| 12:57.21 | mikedep333 | not heavily |
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| 13:12.36 | WormFood | how hard would it be to add chinese characters to the n800...I don't me to be able to type it, but at least to be able to display web pages and apps that have chinese characters. I'm in china, and I see the dictionary in the applications list that will translate to chinese, and that would be beneficial for my chinese friends (and may even help me from time to time) |
| 13:13.36 | mikedep333 | WormFood: I know someone who can probably answer that |
| 13:13.45 | mikedep333 | one of my professors is from china |
| 13:13.50 | mikedep333 | and was looking at the n800 |
| 13:14.01 | WormFood | cool...where in China? beijing? |
| 13:14.01 | mikedep333 | if you give me your e-mail, I'll see if he can answer you |
| 13:14.16 | mikedep333 | I think he said northeast china |
| 13:14.19 | mikedep333 | but I'm not sure |
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| 13:15.11 | WormFood | I'm sure it can be done, but it did not seem to be like a feature nokia wanted to implement |
| 13:15.17 | mikedep333 | both he and I are in the US |
| 13:15.23 | mikedep333 | well |
| 13:15.35 | mikedep333 | I wouldn't be surprised if it is implemented in a later version of the OS |
| 13:15.44 | mikedep333 | or if the community added it |
| 13:15.53 | WormFood | maybe they didn't want a million chinese clones using their software ;) |
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| 13:16.30 | WormFood | yeah, you did say FROM china...I was thinking IN china...my bad |
| 13:16.40 | MangoFusion | WormFood: what i did was stick a unicode font in ~/.fonts |
| 13:16.51 | WormFood | MangoFusion, did it work? |
| 13:16.54 | MangoFusion | like arialb |
| 13:16.56 | MangoFusion | works fine |
| 13:17.01 | WormFood | awesome |
| 13:17.02 | mikedep333 | wormfood: yeah, probably |
| 13:17.14 | mikedep333 | wormfood: there might be more info here |
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| 13:17.15 | mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ |
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| 13:17.57 | MangoFusion | of course if you want something more advanced like chinese input, would probably be worth your time looking at that cjk input stuff |
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| 13:23.58 | jott | WormFood: i don't know how stable it is but maybe look at http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org |
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| 13:43.37 | Italodance | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.43 | Italodance | ???? |
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| 13:48.19 | Italodance | please someone reply me! |
| 13:49.58 | Italodance | hello? |
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| 13:52.07 | mgedmin | Italodance: I do not understand your question |
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| 13:54.16 | mikedep333 | hey, does is there a stumbler app for maemo? |
| 13:54.36 | mikedep333 | in other words, a program to aggressively search for (and possibly record) wireless networks |
| 13:55.02 | mikedep333 | *hey, is there a... |
| 13:55.05 | procto | mikedep333: there's kismet, but it's passive, rather than active. which makes it better :> |
| 13:55.11 | mikedep333 | oh, cool |
| 13:55.15 | mikedep333 | I was reading about that |
| 13:55.25 | procto | there are working packages for it2007, but none yet for it2008 afaik |
| 13:55.31 | mikedep333 | ok |
| 13:55.45 | mikedep333 | I wonder if anybody wrote a package to help you get into encrypted networks |
| 13:56.01 | mikedep333 | without entering a ton of commands |
| 13:56.42 | procto | not quite |
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| 13:56.44 | procto | there's aircrack |
| 13:56.51 | procto | which is partially working |
| 13:56.54 | mikedep333 | I see |
| 13:57.02 | pupnik | mypaint kicks ass |
| 13:57.03 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg |
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| 13:57.06 | procto | that is, everything except the replay |
| 13:57.23 | procto | mikedep333: you need a separate computer for that |
| 13:57.46 | procto | mikedep333: that may become operational on the next revision of the wireless drivers |
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| 14:00.10 | Italodance | mgedmin how can i canola to my n800 desktop? |
| 14:00.43 | Italodance | well do u know "select applets" in "Home"? |
| 14:01.24 | mikedep333 | yeah, I know how you often need a certain wireless card in linux for wireless security functionality |
| 14:01.31 | mgedmin | Italodance: yes |
| 14:01.40 | mikedep333 | LOL http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/lcars/ |
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| 14:01.49 | mgedmin | do you want to add something like applets to start programs from your desktop? |
| 14:01.57 | Navi_ | old stuff |
| 14:02.07 | mgedmin | there probably are a couple of applets that let you do that |
| 14:02.15 | mgedmin | iirc one is called "SimpleLauncher" or something like that |
| 14:02.18 | mgedmin | I prefer the apps menu |
| 14:02.29 | termsig | what about guys bluesnarfing software for n810? |
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| 14:03.51 | lopz | morning |
| 14:04.25 | procto | hay gaiz is der ne software to get mai gf's hotmail pazzword? |
| 14:06.23 | termsig | procto: u chose wrong channel, |
| 14:06.57 | Italodance | mgedmin yes |
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| 14:13.44 | X-Fade_ | Are there people that are planning to go to LinuxTag 2008 in Berlin? |
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| 14:15.00 | _berto_ | X-Fade_: probably me |
| 14:15.18 | mikedep333 | wishes he knew german and was living in Germany |
| 14:16.15 | X-Fade_ | _berto_: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ |
| 14:17.31 | lardman | sounds interesting |
| 14:17.47 | _berto_ | X-Fade_: yeah, saw the mail in maemo-developers, thanks |
| 14:18.45 | lardman | damn, going to a wedding that weekend |
| 14:18.59 | lardman | would have to be a short trip, hmm |
| 14:19.18 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Skip saturday :) |
| 14:20.04 | lardman | yeah, just that my gf and I wanted to visit Berlin anyway, I thought it might kill two birds, etc. |
| 14:20.35 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Yeah, that is a good idea. |
| 14:21.34 | lardman | what day is the maemo stuff? |
| 14:22.00 | lardman | or too early I suppose |
| 14:22.21 | X-Fade_ | I don't have the specifics on it yet. |
| 14:22.51 | lardman | not to worry |
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| 14:23.28 | X-Fade_ | I've added a list to the wiki, where you can add your name. So others can see who is coming too. |
| 14:23.40 | harry | hi guys |
| 14:23.54 | harry | i have a stupid question about xchat, could someone help me? |
| 14:24.21 | harry | how can i add someone's nick plus a ":" automatically... |
| 14:25.02 | trickie | harry: preferences, input box |
| 14:25.05 | lardman | press tab probably, depends on the client, still have to add the : by hand |
| 14:25.21 | trickie | harry: settings, preferences, input box |
| 14:25.35 | trickie | you can set the suffix |
| 14:25.53 | harry | oh, |
| 14:26.11 | harry | trickie, thanks :) |
| 14:26.19 | trickie | np |
| 14:26.35 | harry | trickie: you are so nice :P |
| 14:27.01 | trickie | ha |
| 14:27.05 | harry | now i will be off, see you :) |
| 14:28.01 | lardman | network maintenance, time to go home early :) |
| 14:28.04 | lardman | have a nice weekend all |
| 14:29.03 | mikedep333 | lol, a really badly mislabeled thread on the ubuntu forums |
| 14:29.05 | mikedep333 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=745080 |
| 14:29.41 | mikedep333 | that's in discussion for hardy, 8.04 which is being released this month |
| 14:30.51 | Brains | Hmmm... Stupid question that is probably in the manual somewhere but what is the easiest way to swap batteries (without losing state)? |
| 14:33.22 | mgedmin | I doubt that's possible without shutting down |
| 14:33.33 | jott | X-Fade_: wow 4 slots at linuxtag? are that all full talks or are some also set as workshop? |
| 14:33.41 | mgedmin | the tablets are not wired to take AC power directly |
| 14:34.41 | X-Fade_ | jott: I will try to find out, I know as much as you do at the moment ;) |
| 14:36.36 | kenne | hey, I have a question for native English speakers. Which one of these labels do you like better "My downloads folder", "My download folder" (plural vc singular) |
| 14:37.19 | Blafasel | kenne: b) (not native) |
| 14:37.20 | sp3000 | ew, you said "My" |
| 14:37.30 | Blafasel | That's a different problem ;) |
| 14:37.34 | jaska | b too, but not native :) |
| 14:38.01 | Blafasel | Nice.. Forgot about LinuxTag. Maybe I'll join this year |
| 14:38.26 | kenne | :) |
| 14:38.35 | Brains | mgedmin: I was afraid of that. I suppose the next best option is some form of suspend-to-flash... |
| 14:40.09 | X-Fade_ | It seems the maemo block in on thursday, so lardman... you can make it ;) |
| 14:41.26 | jott | will there be a maemo booth? |
| 14:43.31 | henrique | hey, anybody knows what is the current format of the browser's history on maemo for n810? |
| 14:43.45 | henrique | it used to be timestamp and the url, basically |
| 14:44.12 | henrique | now the field that I wonder be the timestamp one, looks like 1207319718186 |
| 14:44.23 | henrique | but I think it isn't a valid timestamp |
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| 14:53.57 | eathprod | What is the best password managing program for Maemo? |
| 14:54.37 | jott | henrique: its ms not s as it seems :) |
| 14:55.04 | jott | (so divide by 1000) |
| 14:55.37 | X-Fade_ | jott: Probably javascript time? |
| 14:56.21 | jott | possibly |
| 14:56.43 | henrique | great |
| 14:56.48 | henrique | jott, thanks |
| 14:57.07 | jott | http://xkcd.com/376/ ;> |
| 14:57.28 | WormFood | so what exactly do I need to do to add chinese fonts? Is it more than just dropping the fonts in the right directory and rebooting? |
| 14:57.43 | WormFood | I love xkcd |
| 15:00.12 | hrw | why reboot? |
| 15:00.31 | hrw | run xterm and do "fc-cache -f" - should be enough for new apps |
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| 15:02.06 | sp3000 | doesn't http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/downloads_os2008.html have a package for this |
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| 15:04.21 | sp3000 | if the deb doesn't suit you at least you can inspect it to find if it does anything fun |
| 15:04.39 | sp3000 | but I presume drop and fc-cache or reboot should probably do it |
| 15:06.48 | henrique | jott, hehe, nice :) |
| 15:07.27 | WormFood | hrw, why do I have to reboot with installing omweather app? |
| 15:08.14 | hrw | WormFood: ask omweather authors |
| 15:09.16 | hrw | WormFood: maemo is full of packages which require strange actions (like reboot) or remove user data without even asking for permission (ukmp) |
| 15:09.43 | WormFood | it is more like winblows, and less like linux :( |
| 15:09.48 | WormFood | I never reboot my desktop |
| 15:10.05 | hrw | WormFood: simple: it is maemo |
| 15:10.06 | jott | hrw: hmmmm the benefits of unmaintained repositories |
| 15:10.29 | hrw | jott: benefits of lack of idea how to create community |
| 15:11.31 | hrw | jott: it looks like nokia's way to create community is: sell devices, give people server (with less-then-enough bandwidth) for hosting stuff (maemo.org) and forget about it |
| 15:12.50 | hrw | result is: random developers create random repositories as there is no central repo with clean rules of how to submit packages |
| 15:12.59 | hrw | am I right |
| 15:13.00 | hrw | ? |
| 15:13.39 | keesj | hrw: I really don't know |
| 15:14.05 | keesj | but I really think that as community we are also failing to provide enough hacks |
| 15:14.06 | hrw | my n810 has 42 repositories listed and I still need to compile apps |
| 15:14.20 | termsig | hrw: it's normal with open source software ;) |
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| 15:14.36 | hrw | termsig: I maintained OpenZaurus distribution |
| 15:15.02 | termsig | ah, my fault then. |
| 15:15.24 | hrw | termsig: it had team of developers, central repository with lot of software, one maintained wiki with documentation etc |
| 15:15.47 | WormFood | and then sell us broken N800s |
| 15:15.49 | hrw | termsig: maemo has 4 years. still no repository, still hard to use wiki |
| 15:17.25 | hrw | and only 4 devices to support |
| 15:17.25 | Blafasel | Well, one _could_ create a community provided repository.. |
| 15:17.55 | grape | pff that takes work ;-) |
| 15:18.04 | hrw | when 770 is out of business and n800/n810/n810wme are nearly identical when it comes to hardware |
| 15:18.14 | WormFood | I can host it, as long as the bandwidth does not exceed 400 gig per month ;) |
| 15:18.56 | grape | it sure would scratch a whole lot of itches |
| 15:19.02 | keesj | come on... |
| 15:19.02 | hrw | WormFood: maemo.org should host it |
| 15:19.58 | keesj | nobody is stopping us |
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| 15:22.43 | hrw | keesj: nobody? maybe. but it did not happened and I do not think that it will |
| 15:23.23 | jott | but it's not all nokias fault |
| 15:23.45 | hrw | keesj: now, when nokia bought trolltech and some of maemo guys left who know does next tablet (if there will be any) be still gtk or maybe rather qt |
| 15:24.11 | keesj | hrw: and that is plain fud |
| 15:24.54 | hrw | jott: right - they only create and sell hardware + pay for internal team to make initial software (the one preinstalled on devices) |
| 15:25.07 | keesj | I know why I did not fullfill my tasks, and yes the organisation is part of that. |
| 15:25.12 | hrw | keesj: qt part? yes. new tablets? who know |
| 15:25.29 | hrw | s/yes/yes, it is fud |
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| 15:29.47 | hrw | and now we have quiet channel ;D |
| 15:30.45 | Blafasel | All preparing the community repository, I guess.. ;-p |
| 15:31.17 | hrw | ;))) |
| 15:31.26 | jott | well either nokia will hire some maintainers for a repository or there have to be people willing to put much free time in it to build an initial infrastructure |
| 15:32.11 | hrw | jott: I do not think that first choice will ever happen |
| 15:32.13 | jott | .. problem is, that at the moment most developers will have to do the packaging.. |
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| 15:32.40 | jott | and fail (as e.g. ukmp) as it's not their expertise |
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| 15:33.50 | hrw | jott: nokia-maemo team rather do not care about maintainable repository -- they prefer to reflash whole devices instead and randomly close source random applications |
| 15:34.04 | hrw | ~seen lardman |
| 15:34.05 | infobot | lardman <n=lardman@enpc-smm11.bath.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 6m 1s ago, saying: 'have a nice weekend all'. |
| 15:34.53 | jott | hrw: yeah well atleast it seems there is now some inital effort to get a community support repository running :) |
| 15:35.01 | jott | supported |
| 15:35.06 | keesj | hrw: that flashing is a fack , but there are really people trying to make it better |
| 15:35.22 | hrw | good to know |
| 15:35.25 | Blafasel | Actually I have no idea how debian repositories are managed. Is it a hard thing to do? I'd naively guess that the worst part is the "community process" |
| 15:35.38 | hrw | keesj: where I can read about it? |
| 15:36.13 | jaska | with magic. |
| 15:36.25 | hrw | Blafasel: Debian use autobuilders. developer upload sources, autobuilder build them (using software from build-depends) and if it success then package is uploaded to repo |
| 15:36.30 | hrw | Blafasel: thats in short |
| 15:36.43 | jott | hrw: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_wme_en_R1.html "Seamless software update. Seamless update functionality allows software updates over-the-air." |
| 15:37.39 | hrw | jott: I hope that it wont be 'user: your tablet is not upgrading' without details (user do not care about them) and confirmation |
| 15:37.47 | jott | haha |
| 15:37.54 | jott | yeah |
| 15:38.22 | hrw | because software updating is present even in maemo os2005 - with crap called application manager |
| 15:39.45 | jott | yeah well atleast they realized that re-flashing for minor package bumps is not as user-friendly as it might seem *g* |
| 15:39.59 | florian | heh, I was about to suggest to use the bugtracker to select the person for the Bugmaster job - e.g. using the oldest open bug |
| 15:40.17 | florian | but that's mine... |
| 15:41.19 | jott | florian: be careful what you say! |
| 15:41.34 | hrw | I just looked at maemo page and that reminded me one of my tshirts.. |
| 15:42.22 | hrw | 'maemo - code in your hands'... it is on t-shirt from guadec which is for special occasions - like redecorations or other when I can get too dirty |
| 15:42.22 | jott | what t-shirt? "I reported 100 bugs and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" ? ;) |
| 15:42.42 | florian | jott: No I don't think that I want this job :-} |
| 15:42.59 | hrw | florian: why not? it is easy... |
| 15:43.16 | jott | WONTFIX WORKSFORME is all you need |
| 15:43.19 | hrw | florian: close half of bugs as WONTFIX, random part as LATER and |
| 15:43.38 | hrw | florian: if bug comment mention 770 - WONTFIX |
| 15:43.45 | hrw | if it mention os2007 - WONTFIX |
| 15:43.54 | hrw | if gps on n810 - wontfix |
| 15:44.07 | Italodance | hrw MCEGuru v0.3-2 can play tv chans? |
| 15:44.41 | hrw | Italodance: it depends on wind direction on Sahara or I have no idea - choose answer |
| 15:44.57 | florian | hrw: I could never do that - that's why it wouldn't be that easy for me. I have quite some experience with bug reporting but I would definitely try hard to improve the experience with bugs.maemo.org |
| 15:45.39 | hrw | florian: I gave up with reporting maemo bugs |
| 15:46.05 | hrw | florian: too often I feel that the only answer would be IGNORE or WONTFIX |
| 15:46.09 | florian | btw. Is this a known fact that the license for the commercial Navicore software for the 77 works with the software on the N810 as well? :) |
| 15:46.27 | hrw | florian: iirc it was told even |
| 15:46.54 | florian | hrw: The last thing I did was to re-open #19 :) |
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| 15:48.06 | hrw | florian: I see ;) |
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| 15:48.24 | Italodance | hrw can it be tv tuner? |
| 15:48.42 | hrw | florian: its: she will fix it. no, he will fix it. no, she will, he will, fixed. no, it is not. she will fix it |
| 15:49.11 | hrw | florian: 5eur then os2010 will reopen #19 (if it will be fixed in meantime)? |
| 15:49.36 | hrw | Italodance: after your question I looked briefly at website and have no idea |
| 15:49.36 | florian | hrw: You see why I would have to work on helping to improve the user experience ;-) |
| 15:49.42 | Blafasel | Is the latest post on ITT messed up for everyone? |
| 15:49.48 | Blafasel | "Transformative ..." |
| 15:49.53 | hrw | do not read forums |
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| 15:50.02 | Blafasel | hrw: Article, not forum post |
| 15:50.11 | keesj | hrw: sorry I was away, view the fosdem presenation http://www.fosdem.org/2008/schedule/events/472 |
| 15:50.12 | Blafasel | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/04/transformative-apps-for-the-internet-tablet/ |
| 15:50.15 | hrw | Blafasel: ok, I do not read itt |
| 15:50.15 | Blafasel | That one |
| 15:50.20 | Blafasel | hrw: ;) |
| 15:51.02 | hrw | Blafasel: article is not messed. graphics just fscked layout |
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| 15:53.11 | hrw | keesj: sorry to say but slides are typical blablabla |
| 15:53.21 | hrw | fetching video |
| 15:56.05 | hrw | I 'love' how embedded devices distros like to say that they are 'Debian like'. |
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| 15:56.48 | hrw | maemo has only few parts Debian-like - dpkg+apt and system layout + few ideas. too bad that its all |
| 15:57.35 | hullfandan | Has anyone configered Bluetooth hardware to work with Scratchbox? Is it possible? |
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| 16:05.32 | X-Fade_ | hrw: Is this something for you perhaps? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-April/017292.html |
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| 16:10.57 | hrw | X-Fade_: definitelly not |
| 16:11.15 | hrw | X-Fade_: to be maemo bugmaster you need to like maemo and know developers |
| 16:11.44 | hrw | I tolerate maemo (which is far from 'I like maemo') and do not know developers |
| 16:11.59 | hrw | and I really REALLY do not like some of maemo rules |
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| 16:12.54 | X-Fade_ | hrw: Well, it would be a possibility to change things for the better. |
| 16:13.39 | hrw | X-Fade_: sooner I would apply to OpenEmbedded bugmaster then maemo |
| 16:14.31 | hrw | X-Fade_: for example i18n bugs have high priority for me but they are WONTFIX for maemo team |
| 16:15.18 | X-Fade_ | hrw: That is what this job is all about. See what priorities etc there are in the community. |
| 16:18.54 | elb | prioritizes a real terminal real quick while nobody is looking |
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| 16:24.15 | fysa | the question is, will they actually listen? |
| 16:25.53 | hrw | keesj: presentation is quite interesting |
| 16:26.40 | hrw | keesj: it is like 'your tablet is like phone, but you can install 3rdparty stuff'. like phone because 'there is no such thing as system packages - there is system image only' |
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| 16:41.08 | lopz | hi |
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| 16:47.58 | t_s_o | hmm, im starting to wonder if modest repects the "download headers only" option... |
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| 17:20.05 | Mikho | does anybody have experience using gtkmm with maemo 2.2? Is it even possible? |
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| 17:25.51 | Italodance | roadmap_1.1.0i.OSMtest-1_armel.deb is it only for europe? |
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| 17:34.46 | termsig | hrw: what it's your exp with running java on 810? |
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| 17:53.00 | Luria | can anyone recommend a usb soundcard with midi i/o, and two 1/4" jacks that can record from guitar (i.e.) to line level. Size is a concern. |
| 17:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | MOTU or M-Audio |
| 17:53.19 | Luria | oops |
| 17:53.26 | Luria | sorry wrong channel :-) |
| 17:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | Still. ;) |
| 17:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | The MOTU Traveler is pretty badass if you've got the cash. |
| 17:53.46 | Luria | yeah, its alsa support that im worried about |
| 17:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | I use one for mobile recording. |
| 17:54.25 | Luria | the idea is to have it all (eeepc, axon ax50, soundcard) fit in the gig bag |
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| 17:55.36 | Luria | uh way too big |
| 17:55.41 | Luria | and firewaire |
| 17:55.49 | Luria | uh firewire |
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| 17:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | M-Audio has the more mobile stuff, Luria. |
| 17:59.51 | Luria | the alsa wiki has me worried. i use a maudio midi-usb device which works fine with jack, but the recent dacs look like they have less support. |
| 18:00.15 | Italodance | Luria! |
| 18:00.33 | Luria | uh, yes? |
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| 18:00.58 | Italodance | Luria is girl name? |
| 18:01.16 | Luria | is a family name, though not mine. |
| 18:01.29 | Luria | google is your friend |
| 18:01.43 | Italodance | aha |
| 18:03.40 | Italodance | Diablo is coming for N800? |
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| 18:09.37 | t_s_o | that was allways the plan iirc, Italodance |
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| 18:21.00 | Italodance | someone did installed flite_1[1].3_armel.deb? |
| 18:22.25 | Italodance | can it reads on os2008? |
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| 18:29.15 | pupnik | uh keesj is there any interest in that dude's mypaint? |
| 18:29.21 | pupnik | oops i was stuck in scrollback |
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| 18:30.35 | Navi | lol |
| 18:32.10 | pupnik | well that shiznit has to get onto maemo.org soon |
| 18:32.17 | Navi | What does? |
| 18:32.26 | pupnik | but it does need some userfriendlification |
| 18:32.34 | pupnik | mypaint dude |
| 18:32.40 | Navi | it needs some notmultiplewindowsification |
| 18:32.43 | pupnik | i did not understand... |
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| 18:33.06 | pupnik | yes for n800s |
| 18:33.15 | pupnik | for n810s the keyboard has all the stuff |
| 18:33.25 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/mypaint_cmds1sm.jpg |
| 18:33.40 | pupnik | and i mean seriously... once you map that stuff and learn it. |
| 18:33.47 | Navi | lol |
| 18:33.50 | pupnik | took me about 7 hours |
| 18:33.59 | pupnik | it was like HOLY CRAP |
| 18:34.13 | pupnik | unique311 was trying to tell me all along |
| 18:34.17 | pupnik | and i just didn't get it |
| 18:34.20 | pupnik | but he was so right |
| 18:34.24 | Navi | I have custom maps on all of my image editing software |
| 18:34.35 | Navi | good stuff |
| 18:34.49 | Navi | left hand shortcuts, right hand always on the mouse |
| 18:35.08 | pupnik | have you tried drawing with mtpaint, sketchbook or the gimp? |
| 18:35.15 | pupnik | on the tablet? |
| 18:35.26 | Navi | nope |
| 18:35.39 | Navi | I tried mtpaint for a second |
| 18:35.42 | Navi | didn't like it |
| 18:36.08 | Italodance | how flite_1[1].3_armel.deb can works on my n800 os2008? |
| 18:36.12 | Italodance | where is the voice? how? |
| 18:36.33 | pupnik | same here, and the old mypaint sucked too |
| 18:36.45 | Navi | There's a new mypaint now? |
| 18:37.01 | pupnik | but anders_gud made such a fsaclkjbing awesome version |
| 18:37.04 | Navi | Old one sucked balls |
| 18:37.11 | pupnik | dude |
| 18:37.42 | pupnik | after 10 hours with his mypaint and my mofifications i did this. http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg |
| 18:37.47 | pupnik | freehand |
| 18:38.02 | pupnik | best pic i ever drew |
| 18:38.06 | pupnik | that's how much it rocks |
| 18:38.10 | Navi | linky to the new mypaint? |
| 18:38.21 | Navi | I've always liked colors on the DS |
| 18:38.25 | pupnik | check the thread |
| 18:38.46 | Navi | Pressure sensitivity on the DS ain't as sensitive :o |
| 18:39.13 | pupnik | i never in my life |
| 18:39.21 | pupnik | after years of putzing around with pencils |
| 18:39.29 | pupnik | got that kind of light working |
| 18:39.33 | Navi | heh |
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| 18:40.11 | pupnik | and i'm not an artist. all i can get motivated to draw are women, more or less |
| 18:40.13 | pupnik | hey KotCzarny_ |
| 18:40.39 | Navi | Kinda makes me wish I had an N810. Not really. |
| 18:41.10 | Navi | Though, I DO wish I had a USB keyboard |
| 18:41.13 | pupnik | yeah good onscreen adjustments have never been done yet |
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| 18:42.29 | fysa | synergy |
| 18:42.45 | Navi | I do use synergy |
| 18:42.47 | phunguy | me likes my n810 |
| 18:42.49 | phunguy | i just got it yesterday |
| 18:42.50 | KotCzarny_ | hi pupnik |
| 18:42.55 | Navi | but that limits me to just using it at home |
| 18:43.39 | fysa | I will synergy in remotely and you can /msg me the keys you'd like hit. |
| 18:43.46 | Navi | Will do! |
| 18:44.05 | Navi | heh |
| 18:44.10 | Navi | the thing about synergy is that |
| 18:44.22 | Navi | whenever I use it, I put my N800 into the N810 keyboard mode |
| 18:44.59 | Navi | and I forget to switch it back to the onscreen keyboard when I leave, so I'm stuck with either rebooting it or not using it |
| 18:45.52 | fysa | what 'repo' is this webkit in? not Midori, but the other? |
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| 18:46.12 | Navi | it's in either extras or extras-devel |
| 18:46.18 | Navi | I forget which |
| 18:46.29 | Navi | you can't see it from the app manager unless you're in red pill mode |
| 18:46.33 | Navi | best to apt-get it |
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| 18:48.34 | phunguy | red pill mode eh |
| 18:48.42 | phunguy | there is still a lot i got to learn about this device lol |
| 18:48.55 | phunguy | so |
| 18:49.06 | fysa | excellent. |
| 18:49.09 | phunguy | all i've done so far... is install becomeroot and openssh-server |
| 18:49.17 | phunguy | any ideas where to start |
| 18:49.23 | jobu | you can turn on red pill mode by going add new catalog, type matrix in for url and hit cancel |
| 18:49.41 | Navi | all rightee, mypaint just froze my tablet. |
| 18:50.11 | Navi | >_> |
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| 18:52.12 | Navi | I wonder |
| 18:52.37 | Navi | is it possible to bring up the hildon color picker in python? |
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| 19:01.29 | phunguy | Navi> what other cool apps to install? |
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| 19:02.35 | Navi | mplayer |
| 19:02.40 | phunguy | nice |
| 19:02.49 | phunguy | i got two other linux boxes here |
| 19:02.58 | phunguy | but they are solely for myth/vdr purposes |
| 19:03.09 | phunguy | i got mplayer on em tho |
| 19:03.19 | phunguy | simple apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:03.20 | phunguy | ? |
| 19:03.49 | Navi | you can do it that way |
| 19:03.57 | Navi | you can also use the app manager too, if you want |
| 19:05.01 | lcuk | phunguy, install numtyphysics |
| 19:05.10 | arachnist | http://compsci.ca/blog/if-a-programming-language-was-a-boat/ <| rofl |
| 19:05.15 | lcuk | numptyphysics |
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| 19:05.34 | Navi | I like numpty physics |
| 19:05.37 | Navi | but it's so incomplete |
| 19:05.43 | lcuk | and crashes often |
| 19:05.46 | lcuk | but its fun |
| 19:06.19 | Navi | Wish we had the real crayon physics though |
| 19:06.33 | Navi | and I wish I could draw circles as well as my calculus teacher |
| 19:07.10 | lcuk | tiny circles on nokia |
| 19:08.18 | fysa | hmm. I can't find the webkit package -- nor do I see it on gronmayer.com/it |
| 19:09.07 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemowebkit/: This project has not released any files. |
| 19:09.24 | phunguy | hrm |
| 19:09.32 | phunguy | numptyphysics |
| 19:09.37 | phunguy | what repository is it on? |
| 19:09.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: probably svn co |
| 19:10.03 | lcuk | probs kot, didnt look |
| 19:10.11 | fysa | Navi? |
| 19:10.22 | lcuk | http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 19:11.17 | phunguy | then just dpkg -i numptyphysics_0.1_770.deb |
| 19:11.22 | phunguy | ? or should i build from svn? |
| 19:12.12 | lcuk | whichever makes you happy |
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| 19:13.56 | phunguy | woops |
| 19:14.00 | phunguy | gotta install wget lol |
| 19:14.15 | Navi | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# apt-cache search webkit |
| 19:14.17 | Navi | libwebkitgtk-1.0 - Web content engine library for Gtk+ |
| 19:14.31 | Navi | ^ fysa |
| 19:14.31 | fysa | oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was just the lib. |
| 19:14.35 | fysa | duh |
| 19:15.38 | phunguy | wow i feel new |
| 19:15.43 | phunguy | how do i run this now that i've install it |
| 19:15.44 | phunguy | rofl |
| 19:15.45 | phunguy | :/ |
| 19:15.51 | fysa | phunguy |
| 19:16.01 | fysa | if you visit that numptyphysics page from your IT device |
| 19:16.07 | fysa | then click on the deb and Open.. |
| 19:16.14 | fysa | Application Catalog will automatically run and install it for you. |
| 19:16.26 | fysa | no shell necessary |
| 19:16.40 | KotCzarny | but learning shell is beneficial |
| 19:16.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:16.43 | phunguy | uhh |
| 19:16.46 | phunguy | i already installed it via shell |
| 19:16.47 | fysa | in the menu.. |
| 19:16.52 | fysa | it will be in Extras |
| 19:16.56 | phunguy | i wget'd the deb and ran dpkg -i on it |
| 19:17.02 | phunguy | thx |
| 19:17.13 | phunguy | there it is :)_ |
| 19:17.23 | phunguy | both my other linux boxes are debian |
| 19:17.27 | phunguy | so i have basic knowledge |
| 19:17.30 | fysa | cool |
| 19:17.41 | KotCzarny | then you feel at home with nokia IT |
| 19:17.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:18.01 | phunguy | yaya :) |
| 19:18.18 | Navi | I find packages from my desktop browser |
| 19:18.20 | phunguy | i saw that someone compiled a mythtv frontend on the n810 |
| 19:18.29 | Navi | I usually copy the link and wget it from my tablet |
| 19:18.30 | phunguy | that excited me |
| 19:18.42 | Navi | Made you go out and buy one? |
| 19:18.46 | Navi | XD |
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| 19:21.24 | phunguy | lol |
| 19:21.37 | phunguy | this numpty physics would be fun |
| 19:21.51 | phunguy | if i could actually draw the solution before the dang ball drops |
| 19:22.30 | phunguy | oh i see |
| 19:22.31 | phunguy | lol |
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| 19:26.04 | pupnik | we're god's "ant farm" and he's a kid on break from school |
| 19:26.05 | pupnik | is getting deep |
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| 19:26.47 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:27.40 | phunguy | i'm jewmuslimtheist |
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| 19:28.16 | KotCzarny | it doesn't matter who you are, once you're dead, you're dead |
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| 19:28.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:28.36 | KotCzarny | and eaten by worms |
| 19:28.40 | KotCzarny | and bacteria |
| 19:29.28 | KotCzarny | we're like a luxury ships bred by bacteria ;) |
| 19:29.36 | KotCzarny | to explore new lands |
| 19:29.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:29.50 | phunguy | i donice |
| 19:29.52 | phunguy | nice |
| 19:29.59 | phunguy | damn this damn |
| 19:30.01 | phunguy | game |
| 19:30.06 | phunguy | i can't get past level 2 |
| 19:30.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:30.13 | KotCzarny | you will |
| 19:30.16 | KotCzarny | eventually |
| 19:30.29 | phunguy | i wish it was like "The Incredible Machine" where it let you build before it started the level |
| 19:30.55 | l7_ | hmm level 2 of what game? |
| 19:31.04 | KotCzarny | humpty numpty |
| 19:31.09 | lcdd | phunguy: um, press space |
| 19:31.12 | l7_ | hrm |
| 19:31.15 | phunguy | rofl |
| 19:31.25 | phunguy | hahah |
| 19:31.27 | l7_ | i just picked up my n800 again recently |
| 19:31.31 | phunguy | that makes it so much better |
| 19:31.47 | phunguy | here i am drawing solutions in teh 3 seconds it takes for the ball to drop |
| 19:31.52 | phunguy | meh... at least i got to level 2 |
| 19:31.53 | phunguy | lol |
| 19:32.07 | l7_ | is humpty numpty a maemo game? |
| 19:32.14 | KotCzarny | apparently |
| 19:32.31 | l7_ | any url for it? |
| 19:32.33 | KotCzarny | but it's named 'numpty' |
| 19:32.37 | l7_ | google does not help |
| 19:32.53 | KotCzarny | 'numpty physics' |
| 19:32.56 | KotCzarny | that is |
| 19:33.14 | phunguy | http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 19:34.50 | l7_ | ah cool |
| 19:34.56 | l7_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=165008#post165008 is interesting too |
| 19:35.07 | l7_ | that mypaint program looks quite fun |
| 19:35.58 | KotCzarny | kids! |
| 19:36.01 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 19:36.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:36.59 | phunguy | w00t |
| 19:37.02 | dougt_ | here is a off the wall q. does anyone use their n800/n810 along w/ a Apple Airport Extreme and experience frequent router crashes required a power cycle of the router? |
| 19:37.02 | phunguy | apt-get install mypaint |
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| 19:37.26 | phunguy | hrm |
| 19:37.28 | phunguy | weird |
| 19:37.41 | KotCzarny | dought: there was a story of netgear router version that crashed n8x0/770 |
| 19:37.55 | KotCzarny | so everything is possible |
| 19:37.56 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 19:38.28 | dougt_ | KotCzarny: makes debugging stuff at home a real monster. |
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| 19:38.39 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 19:38.46 | KotCzarny | i just use openwrt with wrt54g |
| 19:39.35 | KotCzarny | never had any problem:) |
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| 19:43.55 | phunguy | same here |
| 19:44.03 | phunguy | i got hyperwrt on a wrt54g |
| 19:44.06 | phunguy | no troubie |
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| 19:50.13 | lcuk | we crash the work router every time we close an ftp session |
| 19:50.24 | KotCzarny | brand/fw ? |
| 19:51.04 | elb | set top routers SUCK |
| 19:51.10 | elb | "routers" |
| 19:51.19 | KotCzarny | elb: works for me :) |
| 19:51.20 | lcuk | dlink whatever adsl/4 port router |
| 19:51.30 | elb | KotCzarny: you're lucky, then |
| 19:51.35 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 19:51.41 | elb | OpenWRT is much better than the stock firmwares, in general |
| 19:51.41 | Navi | lmfao |
| 19:51.42 | KotCzarny | last uptime was ~90days |
| 19:51.49 | KotCzarny | then i have pulled out wrong cable |
| 19:51.52 | elb | simply because it provides bug fixes for even older hardware |
| 19:51.55 | KotCzarny | when moving laptop |
| 19:51.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:52.01 | Navi | I was using a white brush as an eraser |
| 19:52.10 | elb | I'm pretty sure it has some pretty busted DNS actions, though |
| 19:52.15 | Navi | and I instinctively blew on the screen to clear away the eraser residue |
| 19:52.17 | Navi | >_> |
| 19:52.22 | KotCzarny | elb: dns actions? |
| 19:52.32 | elb | a colloquialism |
| 19:52.37 | lcuk | :D lol navi - i havent done that in a while - when i first started with tablet drawing i did though |
| 19:52.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:52.38 | elb | I mean I believe it displays broken DNS behavior |
| 19:52.45 | KotCzarny | dhcpd works, also dnsmasq |
| 19:52.50 | lcuk | oh - and now i draw with a black screen so that may explain it |
| 19:53.00 | elb | (if I recall correctly, it has problems with some AAAA records) |
| 19:53.03 | Navi | lcuk, I do it when I draw on the DS |
| 19:53.09 | Navi | still >_> |
| 19:53.10 | elb | "works" is such a vague term |
| 19:53.10 | KotCzarny | i don't use ipv6 (yet) |
| 19:53.18 | KotCzarny | so can't test/confirm |
| 19:53.55 | lcuk | the thing which still gets my goat about the ds is why arent both touch :'( |
| 19:53.59 | elb | right, that's what I'm saying -- you're lucky |
| 19:54.15 | elb | I also have no problems with OpenWRT, because of the way I'm using it |
| 19:54.23 | KotCzarny | lucky means my testcase can't be copied :) |
| 19:54.28 | Navi | lcuk, because most people can't use two hands at once? |
| 19:54.30 | Navi | shrugs |
| 19:54.33 | elb | well, few problems, one of my routers' hardware is poorly supported |
| 19:54.38 | lcuk | my old laptop works for what i use it for - but it wont run any software |
| 19:54.44 | elb | but I don't hold that against openwrt :-) |
| 19:54.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:54.54 | lcuk | nahhh navi - i keep wanting to stylus on it |
| 19:55.09 | KotCzarny | at least openwrt is (relatively) current :) |
| 19:55.18 | Navi | the amount of games that would use both screens at once is very limited |
| 19:55.28 | elb | I should look to see about updating my poorly supported router |
| 19:55.31 | elb | it may be better now |
| 19:55.45 | elb | it's running some prerelease image right now, and I have to reset all its settings if it loses power |
| 19:55.47 | lcuk | i know, it wasnt at once - i dont hold 2 styluses |
| 19:55.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:56.10 | Navi | I did, once |
| 19:56.14 | Navi | it was fun |
| 19:56.37 | KotCzarny | heh, i'm still on whiterussian rc6 |
| 19:56.38 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:57.06 | lcuk | does anyone have a large format finger touch sensitive tablet - how sensitive are they when leaning on one edge of them - i know the 810 is bad and thats tiny. my only experience is with an active stylus |
| 19:57.37 | KotCzarny | i have one, but it's on another continent right now |
| 19:57.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:57.44 | lcuk | long arms |
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| 19:58.39 | lcuk | well since you have one when drawing on it, did you have to hold arm in the air or was it tolerent to your resting on one part with side of wrist and scratching with stylus |
| 19:58.47 | lcuk | or did it flick around all over |
| 19:59.25 | KotCzarny | it's a x41t |
| 19:59.32 | KotCzarny | 1.6kg |
| 19:59.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:59.56 | KotCzarny | so it's quite stable |
| 20:00.04 | KotCzarny | but tiresome if holding in air |
| 20:01.24 | KotCzarny | it's also magnetic i believe |
| 20:01.25 | lcuk | not stable like that - i mean - if you put two fingers on nokia cursor goes bonkers - do you have to hold arm up to prevent the big tablet going bonkers if you catch it with your wrist or sleeve |
| 20:01.43 | KotCzarny | because it detects pen hovering over the screen |
| 20:01.52 | lcuk | right - its an active stylus :) |
| 20:01.58 | lcuk | finger touch doesnt work |
| 20:02.01 | KotCzarny | no batteries required though |
| 20:02.02 | lcuk | so you can touch it with everything |
| 20:02.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:02.05 | lcuk | cool |
| 20:02.21 | lcuk | the last one i had (which is embedded inside a laptop) was similar |
| 20:02.26 | KotCzarny | inside it's some kind of wacom i think |
| 20:03.25 | KotCzarny | lcuk: as for nokia ts, try using your fingers |
| 20:03.32 | KotCzarny | it requires quite a push |
| 20:03.45 | KotCzarny | probably because of screen protector that i use |
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| 20:04.10 | lcuk | yer but when im not resting my wrist on my cradle i catch it - infact its more smallfry who plays and gets frustrated cos hes writing his name or something and the cursor fucks off west |
| 20:04.42 | KotCzarny | ah, yes |
| 20:04.53 | KotCzarny | all the way to the zero x coord? |
| 20:05.25 | lcuk | no, just halfpoint between stylus and where wrist pressure applied :) its actually calculatably removable i just havent got round to it yet :) |
| 20:05.32 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:06.07 | KotCzarny | then probably that's the way driver works |
| 20:06.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:06.17 | lcuk | there is only so much range a stroke can make in a timeframe (lets say 30 pixels) - if it fucks off yonder for 800 pixels ignore it ;) |
| 20:07.46 | lcuk | i might even put vectors in that and atttempt to carry on the current direction if anomalies occur. technically a second point could be managed that way |
| 20:08.11 | KotCzarny | btw. you remember that raw mode for reading pressure ? |
| 20:08.20 | lcuk | yer you want? |
| 20:08.27 | KotCzarny | does it also return uncalibrated coords? |
| 20:08.33 | KotCzarny | or calibrated ones? |
| 20:08.43 | lcuk | yes and the ones from the wiki arent correct for what i was using |
| 20:09.11 | KotCzarny | it would be interesting if those values fluctuate |
| 20:09.17 | KotCzarny | and how much |
| 20:09.29 | KotCzarny | ie make a coordograph app |
| 20:09.31 | lcuk | they do - its temperature dependant |
| 20:09.49 | KotCzarny | hmm, we have a temp. sensor in retu-adc |
| 20:09.59 | KotCzarny | 2 of them i believe |
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| 20:10.46 | lcuk | its not so much drift - i just noticed after i first aligned it and then played some more it was off - only by a fraction - i knew because i coded it to return a max when i put fingernail under the lip |
| 20:11.00 | lcuk | and after it warmed up it gave me values out of bounds |
| 20:11.07 | lcuk | its also not square |
| 20:11.30 | lcuk | ie, y=3000 for bottom left, y=3050 bottom right |
| 20:12.01 | lcuk | it was enough for me to have to put extra bounds checking in |
| 20:12.17 | KotCzarny | so pressing and holding won't drift in readings? |
| 20:12.32 | lcuk | yes but thats only because you cannot physically hold still |
| 20:12.50 | KotCzarny | put a ball and press it with vhs tape |
| 20:12.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:13.02 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 20:13.19 | lcuk | when you press with finger the coords give you a tiny sphere centred on your pressure |
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| 20:13.48 | KotCzarny | yes, i noticed |
| 20:14.21 | lcuk | most unexpected thing in raw mode is the inverted pressure gradient |
| 20:14.49 | lcuk | and occasionally missign the final 0 pressure reading |
| 20:16.03 | lcuk | i think i need to do some code tonight but im knackered its been a long week |
| 20:16.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:16.25 | KotCzarny | yeah, sleep well |
| 20:16.56 | lcuk | ill prob end up poking around - its not bed time for a while yet tho |
| 20:16.57 | KotCzarny | firefox 3.0b5 |
| 20:16.58 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 20:17.44 | lcuk | not tried for now |
| 20:17.50 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 20:17.53 | KotCzarny | just noticed |
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| 20:59.04 | phunguy | xchat |
| 20:59.14 | phunguy | where's the deb for that hiding |
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| 21:01.14 | phunguy | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ |
| 21:01.22 | phunguy | will os2007 files work on os2008 (n810)? |
| 21:01.32 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 21:01.38 | KotCzarny | but only maybe |
| 21:01.41 | phunguy | hrm |
| 21:01.53 | KotCzarny | there is a os2008 version for sure |
| 21:01.57 | Tester_ | there is a os2008 version somewhere |
| 21:02.00 | KotCzarny | *an |
| 21:02.09 | phunguy | hrm |
| 21:02.11 | phunguy | searches |
| 21:02.12 | phunguy | thx |
| 21:03.20 | phunguy | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 21:03.26 | phunguy | for anyone who's lookin |
| 21:04.21 | phunguy | i notice |
| 21:04.34 | phunguy | when one installs a deb via ssh it always installs into Extras |
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| 21:06.21 | jku | installation method has nothing to do with the sub-menu program ends up in, if that's what you mean |
| 21:06.32 | phunguy | ok |
| 21:06.43 | phunguy | is there a way in the gui to move an app to a different category |
| 21:06.45 | ||cw | phunguy: unless the deb asks to be installed otherwise, that's where it goes |
| 21:06.45 | KotCzarny | and you can move it to other menu |
| 21:06.55 | KotCzarny | yes, it's in the control panel |
| 21:07.00 | phunguy | thx kot |
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| 21:07.20 | KotCzarny | at the bottom |
| 21:07.22 | KotCzarny | in 'panels' |
| 21:07.28 | phunguy | thx |
| 21:07.33 | phunguy | just found it as u said that |
| 21:07.37 | KotCzarny | then 'organize' |
| 21:07.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:07.59 | KotCzarny | lots of dicoveries i guess before you |
| 21:08.31 | phunguy | yeah... but also thx for not saying "figure it out" :p lol |
| 21:08.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:09.03 | KotCzarny | as long person is nice when asking a question why should i be rude |
| 21:09.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:15.50 | jobu | KotCzarny: do you recall if you had RD mode enabled when setting it up for boot off sd? |
| 21:16.05 | KotCzarny | i have never used rd mode |
| 21:16.18 | jobu | hrm, i wonder if it makes a difference |
| 21:16.30 | jobu | if this try fails i go reflash and disable rd mode on mine heh |
| 21:16.38 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 21:16.49 | KotCzarny | you can disable rd mode without rflashing other parts |
| 21:17.37 | jobu | it's easier for me to isolate problems working from clean start |
| 21:17.47 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:17.49 | jobu | since it doesn't take long to reflash |
| 21:17.56 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:18.21 | KotCzarny | as i said, we're overlooking something simple |
| 21:18.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:18.50 | jobu | i hope so lol |
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| 21:26.39 | phunguy | shit |
| 21:26.47 | phunguy | i forgot my psybnc admin passwor |
| 21:26.55 | phunguy | anyoen know if you can reset the admin pass via ssh? |
| 21:27.01 | KotCzarny | passwd |
| 21:27.11 | KotCzarny | ah, psybnc pass |
| 21:27.23 | KotCzarny | i haven't used it so long :) |
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| 21:36.00 | phunguy | heh |
| 21:36.08 | phunguy | i just re-ran the make menuconfig |
| 21:36.10 | phunguy | set it from there |
| 21:36.12 | phunguy | and recompiled |
| 21:36.19 | phunguy | worked like a charm |
| 21:36.22 | KotCzarny | erm, kernel? |
| 21:36.26 | phunguy | no |
| 21:36.30 | phunguy | psybnc make menuconfig |
| 21:36.35 | KotCzarny | ah, indeed |
| 21:36.39 | phunguy | omg |
| 21:36.41 | phunguy | i love this device |
| 21:36.42 | phunguy | lol |
| 21:36.46 | KotCzarny | as i said, it was long time ago ;) |
| 21:36.51 | phunguy | there is so much i can see doing with this |
| 21:36.59 | phunguy | lol |
| 21:37.09 | phunguy | you have no need to hide your ip from big brother anymore |
| 21:37.09 | phunguy | lo |
| 21:37.10 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:37.11 | phunguy | l |
| 21:37.30 | KotCzarny | do i? |
| 21:39.08 | phunguy | rofl |
| 21:39.12 | phunguy | it doesn't matter in the US |
| 21:39.29 | phunguy | patriot act says they can just log in to the server your shell is hosted at |
| 21:39.34 | phunguy | provided it resides on US soil |
| 21:39.45 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 21:40.08 | KotCzarny | what if server hangs in the air? |
| 21:40.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:40.15 | phunguy | watches his n810 screen disintegrate with messages from the NSA |
| 21:40.25 | Cptnodegard | have i misunderstood things or is alarm lock on the n800 a no-no because of various bugs like draining battery? |
| 21:40.44 | Cptnodegard | *clock |
| 21:40.51 | phunguy | n800 os2k7 r os2k8 |
| 21:40.55 | phunguy | or either? |
| 21:41.15 | KotCzarny | 2k8 preferred |
| 21:41.23 | KotCzarny | atm |
| 21:41.31 | phunguy | but originally |
| 21:41.36 | KotCzarny | 2k7 |
| 21:41.37 | phunguy | it shipped with 2k7 |
| 21:41.38 | phunguy | i see |
| 21:44.32 | phunguy | http://youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw |
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| 21:49.43 | phunguy | bbl |
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| 21:57.00 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 21:58.33 | GnutoN810 | it's possible use n810 webcam with some application? (no camera) |
| 21:58.51 | KotCzarny | ? |
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| 21:59.04 | KotCzarny | it's exposed as a regular v4l2 device |
| 21:59.18 | KotCzarny | so any linux cam/tv software should work with it |
| 22:00.18 | KotCzarny | if you simply want to record clips even mencoder will do |
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| 22:00.46 | GnutoN810 | have you tried to do this? |
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| 22:00.53 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:01.03 | KotCzarny | i was interested what framerates i can expect |
| 22:01.08 | KotCzarny | out of n800 |
| 22:01.31 | KotCzarny | at full size (640x480) it's ~4fps |
| 22:01.32 | GnutoN810 | flash plugin doesn't work with the n810 webcam.. :( |
| 22:01.43 | KotCzarny | because it's flash plugin |
| 22:01.57 | KotCzarny | and flash on n8x0 doesn't do webcam |
| 22:03.28 | jobu | welp, rd enabled doesn't make a difference, still no work |
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| 22:04.38 | mikedep333 | hey |
| 22:04.45 | mikedep333 | I'm reading guides on formatting the SD card |
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| 22:04.48 | mikedep333 | I will have a 2 GB btw |
| 22:04.57 | mikedep333 | what is the point of the two different partitions? |
| 22:05.06 | mikedep333 | is the fat one for cross-platform storage |
| 22:05.09 | KotCzarny | if you don't know, then make one |
| 22:05.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:05.12 | GnutoN810 | is gizmo the only way to use a webcam in video conference? |
| 22:05.22 | mikedep333 | and the ext2fs for the OS itself? |
| 22:05.26 | jobu | are you trying to boot of sd card oon n800? |
| 22:05.32 | mikedep333 | not yet |
| 22:05.33 | mikedep333 | it is in the mail |
| 22:05.46 | mikedep333 | I will have an n800 with 1 or 2 2-GB SD cards |
| 22:05.55 | mikedep333 | but yes |
| 22:06.08 | jobu | that's what i'm trying to do now =( |
| 22:06.13 | mikedep333 | I am under the impression that as a moderately linux-savvy user who will want to use alot of apps |
| 22:06.16 | jobu | but it's laughing at me and i want to smash it |
| 22:06.19 | mikedep333 | I want my OS on my SD card |
| 22:06.21 | mikedep333 | well |
| 22:06.28 | mikedep333 | I'm pretty familiar with linux and installing it |
| 22:06.32 | mikedep333 | what is the matter? |
| 22:06.43 | jobu | fails to boot off card |
| 22:06.49 | mikedep333 | bios options for that? |
| 22:06.52 | jobu | no errors that i can see |
| 22:06.58 | mikedep333 | I think you need initfs to make it boot off it |
| 22:07.06 | jobu | yep, installed that |
| 22:07.08 | KotCzarny | jobu: where do you live? |
| 22:07.13 | jobu | kansas >.< |
| 22:07.19 | KotCzarny | ah. too far. |
| 22:07.25 | mikedep333 | lol |
| 22:07.29 | KotCzarny | if it was nyc i would help you :) |
| 22:07.31 | mikedep333 | I'm in pennsylvania |
| 22:07.43 | jobu | heh |
| 22:07.44 | mikedep333 | I'm near scranton, kotczarny |
| 22:08.01 | jobu | is that near stanton? |
| 22:08.10 | KotCzarny | my travel options are limited to nyc only :) |
| 22:08.13 | mikedep333 | stanton? |
| 22:08.32 | jobu | i think that's east of pittsburg |
| 22:08.38 | mikedep333 | oh, no |
| 22:08.42 | jobu | where i70 splits into i70/76 |
| 22:08.44 | mikedep333 | scranton is in northeast PA |
| 22:08.50 | mikedep333 | pittsburgh is southwest |
| 22:08.55 | jobu | ya |
| 22:09.17 | mikedep333 | but tell me this |
| 22:09.22 | czr | s/tell/riddle/ |
| 22:09.32 | mikedep333 | where should I mount the fat16 partition to? |
| 22:09.39 | jobu | it automounts |
| 22:09.46 | mikedep333 | "/home"? |
| 22:09.47 | jobu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.52 | mikedep333 | I mean |
| 22:10.00 | mikedep333 | once I have my OS installed on the IT |
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| 22:10.03 | mikedep333 | *on the SD |
| 22:10.27 | tank-man | they are both automounted |
| 22:10.39 | mikedep333 | automounted? |
| 22:10.45 | czr | mounted automatically |
| 22:10.51 | czr | not automounted (as per automountd) |
| 22:10.59 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 22:11.05 | mikedep333 | but where will it automount them to? |
| 22:11.12 | mikedep333 | will the ext2 partition become / |
| 22:11.16 | tank-man | yes |
| 22:11.19 | mikedep333 | and the fat16 become /home? |
| 22:11.19 | Ziegler | i have kismet working on the n810.... Mostly. Even mad ,some wayponts that imported,into mapper |
| 22:11.25 | jobu | and fat /media/mmc* |
| 22:11.28 | mikedep333 | ziegler: awesome |
| 22:11.29 | mikedep333 | ok |
| 22:11.39 | mikedep333 | and I should store like all my data under/media/mmc*? |
| 22:11.48 | mikedep333 | or data as in big media files |
| 22:11.49 | jobu | up to you where you put it |
| 22:12.03 | mikedep333 | well |
| 22:12.23 | mikedep333 | I don't have to be concerned with apps not working with media files if they are not under /home/username, do i? |
| 22:12.27 | Ziegler | Kismet seems to stop collecting points after about 10 min or so. |
| 22:12.53 | jobu | dunno, haven't gotten mine working yet lol |
| 22:13.11 | Ziegler | You have a 810 |
| 22:13.16 | jobu | 800 |
| 22:13.24 | Ziegler | Ah |
| 22:14.04 | ryoohki | 'lo !!!! |
| 22:14.04 | Ziegler | I have a deb file if you are intersted |
| 22:14.05 | jobu | running out of ideas of what could be causing the problem, been following http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 |
| 22:14.24 | ryoohki | how do i hibernate the n8*0? |
| 22:14.32 | Ziegler | Looking |
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| 22:18.37 | Ziegler | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1322&page=11 <<tz1 has a link to the deb i am using |
| 22:19.29 | Ziegler | Brb.... |
| 22:21.01 | Ziegler | Also... The configs in that threa are in fairly good shape. Minimal modification needed |
| 22:22.11 | Ziegler | I had to modify an existing perl script to convert the kismet gps file to wapoint.... Its not done, but mapper shows the point in the right place. |
| 22:22.22 | Ziegler | Ok... Brb for real now |
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| 22:39.59 | Tama^2 | Hello |
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| 22:42.24 | termsig | srello. |
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| 22:47.47 | dick-richardson | is there a repository for opensync? |
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| 22:53.17 | Ziegler | Lots of people in and out |
| 22:53.24 | KotCzarny | life |
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| 22:55.01 | Ziegler | I suppose |
| 22:55.13 | Navi | Hi Tama^2 |
| 22:56.13 | Tama^2 | Hello navi |
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| 23:00.12 | termsig | it's not rigt be at house in friday night ;/ |
| 23:01.20 | lcuk | termsig - you're right, take your 810 to a club and sit in irc all night there instead :) |
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| 23:02.13 | KotCzarny | jott: ping |
| 23:02.18 | termsig | i cant i`m going to work today.. |
| 23:03.01 | lcuk | then you arent sitting around house all night :P |
| 23:03.29 | termsig | yep, 3 more redbulls in fridge.. |
| 23:05.10 | termsig | btw anyone with sucess run any soft writed in java for win* under n810? |
| 23:05.34 | termsig | excluding citrix.. |
| 23:05.59 | Ziegler | not yet |
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| 23:09.09 | termsig | bollocks. |
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| 23:24.38 | Mousey | termsig: what citrix thing did you get working? |
| 23:29.37 | unique311 | still strange firmware still says 3.90 m33 3 |
| 23:29.55 | unique311 | guess i can still play homebrew |
| 23:30.55 | unique311 | too late to say wrong window |
| 23:30.57 | unique311 | lol |
| 23:31.10 | KotCzarny | hacker! |
| 23:31.56 | unique311 | no |
| 23:32.04 | unique311 | researcher |
| 23:32.32 | KotCzarny | as if it was much of the difference |
| 23:32.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:34.06 | termsig | Mousey: i dont say that i get working citrix on my n810.. |
| 23:34.18 | termsig | but i dont like software running under diff soft. |
| 23:35.18 | Mousey | ah |
| 23:35.34 | Mousey | nm =) |
| 23:37.09 | termsig | i read some article about running citrix under n800/770 but according to author it,s working dead slow... |
| 23:38.28 | lcuk | do you know if it is recompiled for armel or is it using dosbox type emulation? |
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| 23:39.15 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7598 |
| 23:39.22 | KotCzarny | os2005 |
| 23:39.23 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:41.39 | termsig | KotCzarny: great, it's looking like they forgot about updating.. |
| 23:42.04 | KotCzarny | yup, 2000 is like antic in IT |
| 23:44.19 | termsig | u mean 2005? |
| 23:44.20 | termsig | ;P |
| 23:44.32 | KotCzarny | no, the citrix linuxarm client |
| 23:44.35 | KotCzarny | it's from 2000 |
| 23:46.13 | termsig | aa, ok. |
| 23:47.10 | ds3 | the mail problem really really sucks |
| 23:47.23 | lcuk | shame there isnt a WINE version for running pocket pc software |
| 23:47.30 | ds3 | mail program |
| 23:47.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:47.46 | lcuk | hmm |
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| 23:48.03 | ds3 | that PoS crashes and refuses to let me restart it unless I reboot |
| 23:48.03 | lcuk | it would certainly be a lot smaller |
| 23:48.17 | KotCzarny | ds3: use webmail? |
| 23:48.23 | KotCzarny | or mutt |
| 23:48.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:48.28 | lcuk | downloading huge mail? large syncs? big folders? or just day 2 day |
| 23:48.41 | ds3 | just day to day |
| 23:48.49 | ds3 | i works fine for a few days then stops working |
| 23:49.15 | lcuk | 947 spams, 3 signups, 14 forwards, and 1 mail from a real actual person (who just happens to have your work account) |
| 23:49.19 | ds3 | wouldn't be too horrible if I can get it to recover without rebooting |
| 23:49.46 | KotCzarny | ds3: maybe some dangling process? |
| 23:49.52 | KotCzarny | or .lock in /var ? |
| 23:50.05 | KotCzarny | have you tried running it from terminal? |
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| 23:50.16 | ds3 | no, I can't find the name of the process for the mail stuff |
| 23:50.28 | KotCzarny | ps ax before |
| 23:50.30 | KotCzarny | ps ax after |
| 23:50.37 | lcuk | use top when its busy :) |
| 23:50.38 | KotCzarny | then just run diff on itt |
| 23:50.40 | KotCzarny | it |
| 23:51.10 | ds3 | i could do that or I could experiment with claws.... donno which is going to be more painful |
| 23:51.11 | lcuk | whats your usage pattern, do you leave it on running for days or is it just in and out every so often |
| 23:51.36 | ds3 | lcuk: I just leave it running for days... the volume of mail on this pop account isn't very high |
| 23:52.31 | lcuk | is it when you are unminimising it that it crashes, or do you just notice its vanished |
| 23:52.46 | ds3 | I just noticed it stopped polling for mail |
| 23:52.59 | lcuk | how do you know it stopped? |
| 23:53.07 | ds3 | fwiw, this same account worked fine with the Treo650 built in mail program |
| 23:53.09 | KotCzarny | spam stopped showing up? |
| 23:53.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:53.31 | ds3 | I know cuz when I check my main account, I see mail that should have been forwarded to me on the POP account not showing up |
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| 23:53.47 | ds3 | and when I go look at the pop box, I can see it there (I run the mail server/pop server) |
| 23:54.05 | lcuk | ok :) what happens if you close it manually before the crash - does it close properly and can be reopened without reboot |
| 23:54.42 | ds3 | yes |
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| 23:55.58 | lcuk | short term solution then until you decide a path then just close it occasionally |
| 23:56.07 | ds3 | I am wondering if mediaplayer or the rss reader is triggering a low memory situation that crashes it |
| 23:56.08 | lcuk | (*workaround |
| 23:56.20 | ds3 | lcuk: it can reopen it til it crashes then it won't work |
| 23:56.41 | ds3 | sequence: boot - .... - read mail, close mail .... read mail, close mail, ... stops working |
| 23:56.59 | lcuk | so what: you reboot - it works opening and closing as often as you like but then ~3days after reboot it will crash and not reopen |
| 23:57.05 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:57.18 | ds3 | yep |
| 23:57.32 | ds3 | in between I am using the RSS reader, web brower, and media player |
| 23:57.42 | *** join/#maemo lopz (i=Gentoo-D@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 23:57.43 | ds3 | so I suspect a low mem situation |
| 23:57.44 | lcuk | then you do need to find the command line name so you can run and check output |
| 23:57.56 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:58.02 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.05 | KotCzarny | limited |
| 23:58.05 | ds3 | think that is more productive or would trying to enable cores be more productive? |
| 23:58.11 | KotCzarny | check df ? |
| 23:58.22 | ds3 | df show it as fine (nothing filling up) |
| 23:58.34 | *** join/#maemo |zeus| (n=zeus@archlinux/trusteduser/zeus) |
| 23:58.55 | KotCzarny | try running it from cmd line |
