| 00:00.08 | pupnik | Irc means a pile of friends hanging out in the top-right corner of my screen |
| 00:00.50 | KotCzarny | i have a aterm/screen window with 3 subwindows |
| 00:00.56 | KotCzarny | *an |
| 00:01.12 | KotCzarny | 100x50 |
| 00:01.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:05.33 | KotCzarny | "Building packages with new toolchain would probably need to have libstdc++ |
| 00:05.33 | KotCzarny | linked statically for C++ applications to work on 770/N800, but otherwise |
| 00:05.34 | KotCzarny | everything should be fine." |
| 00:06.17 | pupnik | i tryded it with a LD-preloaded libstdc++ but it only partially worked, i probably needed to supply other things |
| 00:07.19 | KotCzarny | how about rebuilding all software from sscratch? |
| 00:07.50 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:07.57 | KotCzarny | there's debian-maemo project |
| 00:08.03 | KotCzarny | johnx, alive? |
| 00:09.53 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:09.59 | KotCzarny | or uclibc based one |
| 00:10.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:10.05 | GeneralAntilles | All the whiners on engadget who want cellular in the tablets are stupid. <_< |
| 00:11.38 | pupnik | agree |
| 00:11.58 | pupnik | i'd really like to see the maemo-ish stuff we do make it onto other hardware |
| 00:12.16 | pupnik | is "mamona" the viable route to do this? |
| 00:12.36 | KotCzarny | doesn't know what mamona is |
| 00:12.47 | KotCzarny | other than biblical name similiarity |
| 00:12.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:14.11 | pupnik | mamona is the 'completely open maemo-derived sdk' i guess |
| 00:14.17 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 00:14.47 | pupnik | i'm just asking n00bishly what path could be available |
| 00:15.17 | lcuk2 | depends what you compile for |
| 00:16.35 | pupnik | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ |
| 00:17.19 | KotCzarny | "What!?! People who are porting/re-making m68k games haven't |
| 00:17.20 | KotCzarny | heard of alignment issues? Where the world is going..." |
| 00:17.22 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 00:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu Mobile will use Hildon. |
| 00:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | s/will use/uses/ |
| 00:18.14 | koyote | honestly, the best i ever saw was pdaxrom for the zaurus clamshells |
| 00:19.49 | koyote | people tend to forget that just 14 years ago, you'd commonly run a full unix with x environment on a 68030 and a 640x480 display. with 512mb of disk. |
| 00:19.57 | koyote | at something like 40mhz. |
| 00:20.04 | koyote | with 32Mb ram. |
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| 00:21.21 | KotCzarny | http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/ForeignToolchains |
| 00:21.21 | KotCzarny | hah |
| 00:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Your point, koyote? :P |
| 00:23.37 | koyote | the pdaxrom was x based, with a basic unixlike heritage of compiling and selcting your windo managers and special interface tools |
| 00:23.57 | koyote | most of the time when i comment on such subjects, i'm told the nokia hasn'[t got enough resources. |
| 00:24.30 | koyote | which is EXACTLY the same thing i've been hearing with handhelds running real OSen since 1992 when i got my first |
| 00:24.43 | koyote | not firft handhels, but first with a real os. |
| 00:24.56 | lcuk2 | koyote, i treat my nokia like I would treat an amiga. i respect the actions its taking, but I know damned well its capable of even more ;) |
| 00:25.32 | koyote | lcuk2: yah |
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| 00:25.56 | lcuk2 | we even have a dedicated chipset with custom processors available |
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| 00:26.24 | lcuk2 | remembers the first time he fired up the blitter |
| 00:26.30 | koyote | so my points, GeneralAntilles, are essentially that the whole hildon and maemo thing seems, honestly, to be castrating the computer. And that there's plenty of power in the device. And that a real linux with dev environment onboard would make the most sense. |
| 00:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | My N800 can do a helluva lot more than my device from 1996. :P |
| 00:27.39 | koyote | exactly |
| 00:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | So, your point is that things are able to do as much as their resources allow? <_< |
| 00:28.27 | koyote | no |
| 00:28.33 | koyote | that they should be permitted to |
| 00:28.48 | lcuk2 | the hildon window manager isn't bollocks - the basic principle of hacing staticly sized windows and constant desktop elements is needed. x on its own is mainly geared towards the mousing paradigm where you can put windows anywhere |
| 00:29.05 | koyote | i'm finding the software side of the n series to be a SERIOUS sticking point for usability |
| 00:29.20 | lcuk2 | i agree with you on that point.. |
| 00:29.37 | koyote | and i'm not saying hildon is bollocks, either. BUt it's a choice i could make..... |
| 00:29.51 | lcuk2 | but managing a windows like environment doesnt suit this device, you would spend longer trying to put a window somewhere - just look at the desktop applets. managing sizing and moving is a nightmare |
| 00:30.18 | koyote | were a regular stock bsd or linux fully supported, i coudl use the touchscreen or a bt keyboard and mouse. |
| 00:30.24 | lcuk2 | we need a proper touch interface however and hildon and its software stack are lacking |
| 00:30.32 | koyote | lcuk2: oddly, i never had that problem on the zaurus with the pdaxrom |
| 00:30.54 | Ikkakujyu | Yay Zaurus. |
| 00:31.11 | lcuk2 | i have vnc installed on here and whenever i login to my desktop, moving and managing the windows feels wrong |
| 00:31.30 | KotCzarny | the less clicks the better |
| 00:31.32 | koyote | i am typing currently on my *big* computer. |
| 00:31.52 | lcuk2 | and its not wrong because its sluggish - i use vnc and vmware all the time, its just not right trying to scrape windows |
| 00:31.59 | KotCzarny | otherwise it starts to get irritating |
| 00:32.00 | koyote | an asus eee pc with the SAME resolution as the n800. yet i have no problem with a regular x environment |
| 00:32.12 | koyote | and i don't seem to have to spend ANY time manually placing windows |
| 00:32.15 | lcuk2 | thats because you are using a mouse |
| 00:32.20 | koyote | of course, i am not using twm |
| 00:32.22 | lcuk2 | its not resolution, its touch vs mouse |
| 00:32.37 | koyote | lcuk2: touchscreen is same same as a mouse in most ways. |
| 00:32.42 | KotCzarny | not exactly |
| 00:32.43 | koyote | look at the wesnoth port |
| 00:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bullcrap |
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| 00:33.01 | lcuk2 | koyote, i know its not because i use both methods daily |
| 00:33.03 | koyote | KotCzarny: most ways. move pointer, select. hold, drage. |
| 00:33.05 | KotCzarny | it's hard to differentiate click and point |
| 00:33.08 | lcuk2 | and i curse at the moused windoing |
| 00:33.25 | KotCzarny | and no rmb (righyt mouse button) |
| 00:33.29 | koyote | i use both methods daily, and i've used touch screens in linux on fujitsu laptops, as well |
| 00:33.43 | lcuk2 | i honestly have no problem letting hildon decide that all windows go here and these go there. it is like the console in my car |
| 00:33.48 | lcuk2 | everything is static and easy to find |
| 00:33.55 | koyote | KotCzarny: that's easy. bind the back key to it or something |
| 00:34.30 | KotCzarny | still |
| 00:34.32 | KotCzarny | you tap |
| 00:34.35 | KotCzarny | you generate lmb |
| 00:34.36 | lcuk2 | the experience may change with a large format tablet, but on these devices it feels better |
| 00:34.40 | koyote | who here actually has used x with a touch screen environment, like on the pdaxrom builds? |
| 00:34.40 | KotCzarny | not the right |
| 00:34.56 | KotCzarny | you click 'back button' you wil lgenerate rmb at current mouse pos |
| 00:34.58 | koyote | KotCzarny: um. it's really pretty simple. on normal unices |
| 00:35.09 | KotCzarny | koyote: xmodmap will work |
| 00:35.19 | koyote | you bind things, keychords, alternative button usage. |
| 00:35.33 | KotCzarny | xmodmap will work |
| 00:35.42 | KotCzarny | i have an idea how to do it even |
| 00:35.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:36.07 | KotCzarny | ie. 1 button to turn tap-to-point on/off |
| 00:36.10 | koyote | lcuk2: completely preference. i would prefer an x environment with something like windowmaker, you like hildon. |
| 00:36.18 | KotCzarny | and 1 button to assign tap to lmb or rmb |
| 00:36.25 | lcuk2 | :) |
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| 00:36.34 | koyote | but why can i not just install my prefernce via apt and compile my own kernel and such? |
| 00:36.41 | koyote | this is where i'm having major issues. |
| 00:36.44 | KotCzarny | you can |
| 00:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | Install Debian. |
| 00:36.50 | KotCzarny | a least the kernel part |
| 00:37.10 | KotCzarny | though not the generic i guess (as long you want closed things) |
| 00:39.51 | koyote | here's where i have been not finding the information i want, then. |
| 00:40.07 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 00:41.31 | koyote | standardish debian on the n800? |
| 00:42.08 | KotCzarny | johnx runs maemo-debian |
| 00:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | ARM EABI Debian |
| 00:42.20 | KotCzarny | i guess most things would work |
| 00:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 00:42.46 | KotCzarny | only parts that are hardware specific could fail |
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| 00:42.58 | koyote | define maemo-debian |
| 00:43.15 | KotCzarny | erm, i meant debian on n8x0 |
| 00:43.31 | KotCzarny | don't know why it stuck in my mind that maemo is IT |
| 00:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's Debian. |
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| 00:45.49 | ZooVision | Hi we are looking to hire a programer to write a widget written for the internet tablets |
| 00:45.57 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 00:46.03 | ZooVision | can anyone help me? |
| 00:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org may be your best bet. |
| 00:47.29 | ZooVision | Okay I've looked around there but didn't see a good place to post a message |
| 00:47.40 | lcuk2 | try posting on internettabletforum |
| 00:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | He did |
| 00:47.47 | lcuk2 | ahh |
| 00:47.51 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe try the dev mailing list |
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| 00:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure, really. |
| 00:48.03 | ZooVision | I've posted a message on the tablet forum |
| 00:48.06 | lcuk2 | zoo, does your company not have local developers? |
| 00:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | There was another guy looking for a dev a few months ago |
| 00:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure if he ever had any success. |
| 00:48.58 | KotCzarny | gronmayer is down? |
| 00:49.05 | ZooVision | we do but they are tied up right now and plus don't have the needed experience |
| 00:50.32 | lcuk2 | unfortunatly i am just starting myself. depending upon the definition of the widget you want, if they have any linux development experience at all they should be able to do it fairly quickly |
| 00:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Desktop applets are pretty straightforward. |
| 00:51.33 | lcuk2 | and wasnt someone saying the python bindings are getting simpler |
| 00:51.40 | KotCzarny | ah. only slow |
| 00:51.53 | ZooVision | okay I'll look in that direction linux developers |
| 00:52.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:52.20 | lcuk2 | get them a device and let them play for a couple of weeks |
| 00:52.46 | lcuk2 | (in their own time) you will find out who can do it - let them keep device for doing it at home ;) |
| 00:53.01 | ZooVision | good idea |
| 00:53.11 | ZooVision | we ordered a couple of them today |
| 00:53.30 | ZooVision | should be pretty simple overall |
| 00:53.33 | KotCzarny | something lags |
| 00:53.43 | ZooVision | read in an xml feed |
| 00:53.59 | ZooVision | link to the media player |
| 00:54.13 | KotCzarny | sounds like regexp fun |
| 00:54.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:54.52 | ZooVision | already have the interface ironed out |
| 00:55.16 | KotCzarny | what's the problem then? |
| 00:55.32 | KotCzarny | it doesn't look like it has to be very maemo specific |
| 00:56.05 | ZooVision | well the graphics are ironed out |
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| 01:33.15 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 01:33.20 | KotCzarny | canola2 for linux is coming |
| 01:33.22 | KotCzarny | o.o |
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| 01:35.00 | KotCzarny | jott: you got linked: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/team-work-canola2-portrait-test |
| 01:35.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 02:09.01 | pupnik_ | http://sse2.net/rotate/ maemo os2008 xrandr rotate screen vertical display rotated desktop jott Rodrigo fanoush |
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| 02:14.58 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 02:15.53 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.00 | KotCzarny | heh |
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| 02:17.03 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.04 | pupnik | Google partners with NSA, CIA on intelligence database |
| 02:17.11 | pupnik | http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CIA_creates_miniGoogle_0331.html |
| 02:17.17 | KotCzarny | april 1st |
| 02:17.19 | KotCzarny | still |
| 02:17.26 | pupnik | ? hmm |
| 02:17.35 | pupnik | Published: Monday March 31, 2008 |
| 02:17.43 | KotCzarny | hour? |
| 02:18.02 | KotCzarny | and any other references? |
| 02:18.21 | pupnik | read it or ignore it |
| 02:18.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:18.42 | KotCzarny | i believe story like this one would be /. to death |
| 02:19.10 | pupnik | it's not a very sinister story |
| 02:19.28 | KotCzarny | all bad things come in small steps |
| 02:20.09 | pupnik | the buzzword for this around 2001-2003 was 'knowledge management' for organizations |
| 02:21.45 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:22.01 | KotCzarny | i take back whatever i said bad about canola |
| 02:22.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:22.13 | KotCzarny | it has browser by folder option, whoo |
| 02:22.25 | pupnik | oh then i might try it also |
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| 02:23.24 | KotCzarny | seemless playback would be nice though |
| 02:24.56 | KotCzarny | also some shortcuts like, 'now playing, options, top' |
| 02:25.05 | KotCzarny | scratch that |
| 02:25.13 | KotCzarny | now playing is in the corner |
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| 02:25.54 | KotCzarny | and holding on 'back' takes to the top in 1 sec |
| 02:26.07 | KotCzarny | really, really nice |
| 02:28.14 | KotCzarny | sorting tracks would be nice though |
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| 02:28.46 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:28.57 | KotCzarny | ok. i'm in the canola fan base now. |
| 02:28.59 | KotCzarny | definitely |
| 02:29.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:35.42 | KotCzarny | high quality zoom would be nice too |
| 02:35.52 | KotCzarny | (for books scanned as jpg) |
| 02:36.51 | KotCzarny | also there should be an option to remember/revert zoom/orientation |
| 02:38.58 | KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/ha-the-guys-just-keep-surprising-me |
| 02:39.11 | KotCzarny | translucent osk on n800 |
| 02:39.20 | KotCzarny | that's the thing i wanted :) |
| 02:39.36 | KotCzarny | observe: 1/ you can see part of the background |
| 02:39.48 | KotCzarny | 2/ entered text is also shown in top left corner |
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| 02:41.07 | WormFood | does moon lander not work with the n800? I can't figure out any way to control it |
| 02:41.54 | KotCzarny | wf: no info in the manual/docs/site? |
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| 02:42.33 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny: from the article you linked: "Now, the plan is to have this as optional keyboard. And of course IT WILL NOT HAVE THIS iPhone look!" |
| 02:42.54 | Tama^2 | of course it will not... it will look much worse! by design.. |
| 02:42.54 | KotCzarny | tama: i don't like the look too |
| 02:43.15 | Tama^2 | what is that you do not like? |
| 02:43.17 | KotCzarny | but i wanted an osk that wont fsck other windows |
| 02:43.18 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 02:43.28 | KotCzarny | default osk just makes me angry |
| 02:43.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:43.47 | Tama^2 | me too >.< |
| 02:45.08 | tsukasa | mmm bawls |
| 02:45.15 | tsukasa | i love slurping my cold juicy bawls |
| 02:45.46 | Tama^2 | and of course one cannot write a replacement |
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| 02:47.18 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 02:47.41 | Tama^2 | I do not know if I have a talent for finding things to do that are verboten but it seems all the things I'd like to work on were classified as not open by Nokia |
| 02:47.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:47.59 | KotCzarny | no workarounds? |
| 02:49.09 | Tama^2 | input methods have to fit in the IM plugin system which basically exclude osk |
| 02:49.17 | KotCzarny | erm, not really |
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| 02:49.21 | Tama^2 | unless you want to implement one for your application only of course |
| 02:49.26 | KotCzarny | xserver allows for remote input |
| 02:49.44 | KotCzarny | xvkbd, xkbd |
| 02:49.50 | KotCzarny | both uses it |
| 02:49.53 | KotCzarny | and it works |
| 02:49.53 | Tama^2 | yes, but if you ask me the ITOS is already very clumsy when it comes to user interaction |
| 02:50.26 | Tama^2 | if I come up with yet another method that is not triggered by finger pressure or the select button |
| 02:50.34 | KotCzarny | my idea is: disable builtin osk, assign hardware key to bring ours up |
| 02:50.36 | KotCzarny | done |
| 02:50.39 | Tama^2 | it's useless, really |
| 02:50.44 | KotCzarny | no, not another method |
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| 02:50.53 | KotCzarny | no hildon specific stuff |
| 02:50.58 | KotCzarny | standalone app |
| 02:51.13 | KotCzarny | that would work on every xserver |
| 02:51.21 | pupnik_ | xvkbd |
| 02:51.23 | KotCzarny | it simply works |
| 02:51.34 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.38 | KotCzarny | pupnik: ? |
| 02:51.43 | Tama^2 | yes, pupnik? |
| 02:51.54 | pupnik_ | without an opengl-based windowing system, there is no solution for translucent vkbd |
| 02:52.12 | pupnik_ | it would eat cpu drawing over an animated sdl game |
| 02:52.24 | KotCzarny | pupnik: i could bear with xshape enabled one too |
| 02:52.41 | KotCzarny | it's like 1bit transparency |
| 02:52.45 | KotCzarny | quite fast |
| 02:52.57 | pupnik_ | interesting |
| 02:53.18 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 02:53.22 | KotCzarny | what am i saying |
| 02:53.30 | KotCzarny | i could even bear with a window |
| 02:53.36 | KotCzarny | that won't cover whole screen |
| 02:53.42 | KotCzarny | like xkbd does right now |
| 02:54.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:54.23 | KotCzarny | i have an idea |
| 02:54.25 | KotCzarny | grins |
| 02:57.29 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny: going back to our conversation: if you assign the HW key to bringing up the custom osk app, it means other applications do not have access to the same key |
| 02:59.09 | KotCzarny | tama: yes, there's a price |
| 02:59.28 | KotCzarny | another trick woyld be catching clicks in the corner of the screen |
| 02:59.31 | KotCzarny | would |
| 03:00.02 | KotCzarny | or just making osk persistent but minimizeable |
| 03:00.54 | Tama^2 | or as an high priority icon in the status bar |
| 03:01.07 | Tama^2 | so it does not disappear.. |
| 03:01.09 | KotCzarny | that wouldn't work for full screen apps |
| 03:01.15 | Tama^2 | true |
| 03:01.15 | KotCzarny | ie. games |
| 03:01.27 | KotCzarny | so always on top in the corner |
| 03:01.46 | KotCzarny | btw. xvkbd IS stable |
| 03:01.54 | KotCzarny | and doesn't have xkbd problems |
| 03:02.13 | KotCzarny | i have to recompile it hinted to be a util window |
| 03:02.16 | Tama^2 | yes but they are all hacks... |
| 03:02.25 | KotCzarny | tama: i can live with hacks |
| 03:02.30 | KotCzarny | people hack windows too |
| 03:02.34 | KotCzarny | iphone too |
| 03:02.37 | KotCzarny | everything |
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| 03:02.47 | KotCzarny | but you know what's sad? |
| 03:02.52 | KotCzarny | archos is not hackable |
| 03:02.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:03.04 | Tama^2 | ?_? |
| 03:03.22 | KotCzarny | google for: hacking archos 704 |
| 03:03.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:03.29 | pupnik_ | you know xkbd will minimize to a tiny icon in the corner of the screen, yes? |
| 03:03.30 | Tama^2 | my point was that I wanted to add functionality not to hack in functionality |
| 03:03.40 | KotCzarny | pupnik: yes, but xkbd is unstable |
| 03:03.49 | pupnik_ | so lets make it stable |
| 03:04.01 | pupnik_ | (reliable, not-broken, whatever) |
| 03:04.05 | KotCzarny | pupnik: xvkbd is stable |
| 03:04.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:04.18 | KotCzarny | and it has similiar features |
| 03:04.25 | pupnik_ | i tried it a while back. do you have a binary? |
| 03:04.35 | KotCzarny | tama: you name it 'adding' i name it 'hacking' |
| 03:04.53 | KotCzarny | result is the same, missing funtionality is on the device after that |
| 03:05.06 | KotCzarny | pupnik: should be somewhere on my site |
| 03:05.09 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 03:05.31 | pupnik_ | i still have sources from 12-2006 in my scratchbox |
| 03:06.34 | pupnik_ | 2.7 and 2.8 |
| 03:08.04 | pupnik_ | trying buildpackage now |
| 03:08.12 | KotCzarny | mm? |
| 03:08.22 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 03:08.38 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd/ |
| 03:08.43 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 03:08.54 | KotCzarny | but as i said it needs to be recompiled and rehinted |
| 03:09.09 | KotCzarny | it was one of my first compilations in sb |
| 03:09.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:09.46 | KotCzarny | i think i have compiled it statically agains libxaw3d |
| 03:09.51 | pupnik_ | rehinted meaning fonts not displaying correctly? |
| 03:09.56 | KotCzarny | no |
| 03:10.05 | KotCzarny | rehinted meaning not taking whole screen |
| 03:10.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:10.12 | KotCzarny | because of matchbox policy |
| 03:10.19 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 03:10.19 | KotCzarny | to resize windows |
| 03:10.46 | pupnik_ | you know more about X than me. this is good |
| 03:10.51 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:11.03 | KotCzarny | i only know what i saw in includes/sources |
| 03:11.07 | KotCzarny | and from some tests |
| 03:11.49 | pupnik_ | would it be easier to fix xkbd missing keys or fix xvkbd to display in a small window on-top? |
| 03:11.54 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 03:12.08 | KotCzarny | making smaller window is a 1-2 liner |
| 03:12.15 | KotCzarny | fixing xkbd is bughunting |
| 03:12.27 | KotCzarny | and you know what fun is bughunting |
| 03:12.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:12.39 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 03:12.54 | pupnik_ | building xvkbd complains about missing -lXaw3d |
| 03:12.58 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:13.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:13.10 | KotCzarny | i have provided xaw3d sources too |
| 03:13.26 | KotCzarny | i can put the .a file of it too |
| 03:15.31 | pupnik_ | i don't see makefile in sources for xaw3d |
| 03:15.31 | KotCzarny | xmkmf |
| 03:15.31 | KotCzarny | it doesn't exists in sb |
| 03:15.31 | KotCzarny | but i ran it outside sb in that dir |
| 03:15.31 | KotCzarny | and it was enough |
| 03:15.49 | pupnik_ | thanks |
| 03:15.56 | pupnik_ | somehow i have xmkmf in scratchbox |
| 03:16.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:16.23 | KotCzarny | xmkmf is a nightmare of the xfree |
| 03:16.35 | KotCzarny | was deprecated with modular x.org |
| 03:16.37 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 03:18.13 | pupnik_ | thanks man |
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| 03:19.58 | pupnik_ | Apr 2 2008 xvkbd_2.8-1_armel.deb |
| 03:20.24 | KotCzarny | but it still needs fixing |
| 03:20.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:20.46 | KotCzarny | or it's already packaged by someone? |
| 03:20.55 | pupnik_ | i don't think so |
| 03:20.59 | pupnik_ | just built it |
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| 03:25.24 | pupnik_ | i really like the full keyboard layout |
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| 03:36.42 | pupnik_ | KotCzarny: how about a loadable kernel module that just draws the alphanumeric glyphs on the framebuffer no matter what X is doing? :) |
| 03:37.00 | KotCzarny | that's what lcuk is aiming for |
| 03:37.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 03:40.53 | KotCzarny | http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/matchbox-key.txt |
| 03:40.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:02.25 | pupnik_ | KotCzarny: http://pupnik.de/transp_keybd_Nokia_770.jpg |
| 04:02.46 | pupnik_ | hmm i screwed up the background pic |
| 04:02.52 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 04:02.55 | KotCzarny | i mean the kb |
| 04:03.01 | pupnik_ | i just drew it |
| 04:03.06 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 04:03.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:03.26 | KotCzarny | make outlines wider |
| 04:03.50 | pupnik_ | yeah it's just to show the idea |
| 04:04.54 | pupnik_ | but the resolution is exactly 800 wide, so it would be readable i think |
| 04:05.14 | KotCzarny | maybe inverted colors too |
| 04:05.54 | pupnik_ | yes either white/black or black white - preferable provide both schemes |
| 04:07.27 | KotCzarny | my google skills fail me |
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| 04:32.07 | Italodance | hi |
| 04:32.56 | opendeep | hi |
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| 04:38.02 | WorkingOnWise | can i just copy the directory with all my man and info pages from my ubuntu laptop to my tablet? man on the n800 is a bit lean... |
| 04:38.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:39.14 | KotCzarny | but docpurge probably will remove them anyway |
| 04:39.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:41.38 | WorkingOnWise | grrrr....how do I stop that? I want the man pages, and I have 3GB free still.... |
| 04:41.48 | WorkingOnWise | so i have plenty of space... |
| 04:42.00 | KotCzarny | install them somewhere else than /usr/man |
| 04:42.10 | KotCzarny | for example to /media/mmc2/man |
| 04:42.18 | Italodance | autoexec.cfg where is this file? |
| 04:42.35 | KotCzarny | then read man page how to setup man for a new folder |
| 04:42.47 | WorkingOnWise | cool....thanks |
| 04:44.32 | Italodance | KotCzarny? |
| 04:44.45 | KotCzarny | italodance: it's a linux |
| 04:45.01 | KotCzarny | you should really learn linux basics |
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| 04:45.52 | Italodance | just tell me where can i find autoexec.cfg? |
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| 04:51.10 | Italodance | it is on internal memory and not for mmc1/2 |
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| 04:53.19 | WorkingOnWise | afaik linux has no autoexec.cfg.... if there is one you should be able to find more that you want to know about it with a google search |
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| 04:54.48 | KotCzarny | pupnik: i've done it, whoo! |
| 04:55.04 | KotCzarny | now.. the hiding part ;) |
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| 04:55.21 | pupnik_ | very nice |
| 04:56.13 | KotCzarny | i have put a binary in the usual place |
| 04:56.19 | KotCzarny | start with -geometry -1-1 |
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| 04:56.35 | KotCzarny | Downloaded: 939,339,582 bytes in 2747 files |
| 04:56.37 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 04:56.45 | KotCzarny | repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook mirrored |
| 04:56.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:57.05 | KotCzarny | now lets have fun with extras ;) |
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| 05:00.40 | Lucas_simao | someone here works with carman : |
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| 05:02.24 | Italodance | WorkingOnWise OK! |
| 05:03.48 | KotCzarny | hmm, xvkbd is fun with osso-xterm |
| 05:04.03 | KotCzarny | sending enter turn builtin osk on/off |
| 05:04.05 | KotCzarny | *grin* |
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| 05:58.26 | KaaLi | hey |
| 05:58.46 | KaaLi | is n810 wimax edition still released.. :D |
| 06:00.02 | KaaLi | *announced |
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| 06:08.11 | ralann | lol |
| 06:08.20 | ralann | it's not midnight everywhere yet |
| 06:08.29 | KotCzarny | at nokia hq it is! |
| 06:08.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:08.35 | ralann | true |
| 06:08.50 | ralann | i'll still not get the wimax |
| 06:08.54 | KaaLi | i live in the same country.. |
| 06:09.01 | KaaLi | 9am it is |
| 06:09.06 | ralann | 11pm |
| 06:09.43 | KaaLi | altho i dont need wimax.. about to get new phone and use 3g.. |
| 06:09.44 | KotCzarny | 2am |
| 06:10.19 | ralann | i have evdo and am looking at one of the docking cradles |
| 06:10.25 | KaaLi | 1mbit costs 19,90 euros per month |
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| 06:13.12 | KaaLi | how's the pricing elsewhere |
| 06:13.45 | ralann | no wimax here... yet |
| 06:13.56 | KaaLi | i was talkin about about 3g |
| 06:14.04 | KaaLi | n wimax here either |
| 06:14.09 | KotCzarny | http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/04/01/microsoft_takes_a_deep_breath_ooxml_now_an_iso_iec_standard/ |
| 06:14.14 | KotCzarny | bad karma. |
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| 06:46.51 | dieman_ | < -- really dumb |
| 06:46.56 | dieman_ | forgot about the internal flash drive issue |
| 06:47.00 | dieman_ | backed up to it and reflashed |
| 06:47.05 | dieman_ | and notice, doh, my backup ain't there |
| 06:47.09 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:47.59 | dieman_ | yeah |
| 06:47.59 | dieman_ | doh |
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| 07:13.57 | dieman_ | my tablet was so crufted out |
| 07:14.04 | dieman_ | after 2 months of plugging everything in and out of it |
| 07:14.06 | dieman_ | for software |
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| 07:17.25 | wom- | dieman_: whats the "internal flash drive" issue? |
| 07:18.22 | dieman_ | some of the n810's shipped had their fat parition set larger than the physical device |
| 07:18.33 | dieman_ | so if you did a bit of writing to it, at some point you'd have a bad filesystem |
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| 07:24.41 | wom- | oh, well good to know |
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| 07:26.11 | wom- | i have been trying to find 8GB mmc card that would come with n+1 kinds of adapaters. so that i can plug-it in even to my gramma's cassette player :P |
| 07:26.17 | wom- | but no luck from local shops |
| 07:26.20 | thux_n800 | is there mbmon or similar to os2008? |
| 07:28.09 | thux_n800 | any sensors in chips? |
| 07:28.47 | doc|home | yep |
| 07:28.52 | doc|home | there's a sensors app too |
| 07:28.55 | doc|home | *applet |
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| 07:29.04 | doc|home | not sure of the name though, look on garage.maemo.org |
| 07:29.29 | thux_n800 | thanks |
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| 07:49.18 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:57.04 | KotCzarny | pupnik: ping |
| 08:02.09 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:04.36 | X-Fade_ | Morning.. |
| 08:05.18 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Thanks for the blog post ;) Now we just need some people to add their PC applications. |
| 08:05.29 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 08:06.12 | X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: I add a PC category to the downloads section of maemo.org. |
| 08:06.23 | KotCzarny | define 'pc category' |
| 08:06.32 | KotCzarny | because i see m$ windows |
| 08:06.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:07.24 | X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: |
| 08:07.31 | X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: OS 2006 |
| 08:07.31 | X-Fade_ | OS 2007 |
| 08:07.31 | X-Fade_ | OS 2008 |
| 08:07.31 | X-Fade_ | PC |
| 08:07.31 | X-Fade_ | Categories |
| 08:07.33 | X-Fade_ | * 2 applications in Multimedia |
| 08:07.36 | X-Fade_ | Add an application to the catalog. |
| 08:07.37 | KotCzarny | ah. |
| 08:07.38 | X-Fade_ | OS & SDK |
| 08:07.41 | X-Fade_ | OS images to reflash your tablet: N810 - N800 - 770. |
| 08:07.42 | KotCzarny | i understand now |
| 08:07.44 | X-Fade_ | maemo SDK for developers: Chinook - Bora - Gregale. |
| 08:07.46 | X-Fade_ | Damn.. sorry guys ;) |
| 08:08.00 | X-Fade_ | Copy-paste gone wrong :( |
| 08:08.01 | KotCzarny | pc like video converter for m$ win? |
| 08:08.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:08.13 | X-Fade_ | Yeah, non-tablet software.. |
| 08:08.27 | KotCzarny | but useful for IT |
| 08:08.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:08.32 | X-Fade_ | Yep |
| 08:08.54 | KotCzarny | like diablo2 (over vnc) |
| 08:08.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:09.58 | X-Fade_ | Uhu ;) |
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| 08:17.46 | KotCzarny | ok, if anyone needs stable osk here's one: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd/xvkbd |
| 08:18.34 | KotCzarny | has working 'alt' and rest of the keys |
| 08:18.43 | KotCzarny | doesn't barf like xkbd |
| 08:18.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:20.17 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 08:20.28 | KotCzarny | bon bon |
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| 08:30.48 | WormFood | how in the fuck do I get maemo weather to let me add a station? I get nothing for "Country", and it does not send anything over the internet. |
| 08:30.56 | KotCzarny | stop saying fuck |
| 08:31.02 | WormFood | in the past it just took forever for it to give me a country list, now it gives me nothing |
| 08:31.11 | X-Fade_ | Did you guys notice that there will be an Update All button in the new Application Manager? And also updates notification? |
| 08:31.50 | WormFood | it would be nice if I had applications that didn't take an act of god to make work properly |
| 08:32.04 | WormFood | I had it working before I reinstalled everything, but now I can't get it to do shit |
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| 08:32.56 | WormFood | I'm monitoring my network traffic, and it is not sending anything to get a list of countries online |
| 08:36.31 | WormFood | nobody knows how to make this god damn thing work like it is supposed to? |
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| 08:40.56 | WormFood | anyone want to buy a N800...less than 3 months old |
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| 08:41.15 | KotCzarny | wf: how much? |
| 08:42.01 | WormFood | I don't know |
| 08:42.05 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 08:42.10 | WormFood | I have a 4 gig card with it too |
| 08:42.17 | KotCzarny | i don't need a sd card |
| 08:42.23 | WormFood | I'm just sick of this shit! |
| 08:42.24 | KotCzarny | you can reuse it too |
| 08:42.31 | WormFood | I have nothing else that uses SD |
| 08:42.40 | WormFood | the ONLY reason I bought this SD was for the N800 |
| 08:42.41 | blafasel | Bummer. |
| 08:42.50 | WormFood | my camera uses CF |
| 08:43.12 | WormFood | the damn thing won't turn on with the old kernels |
| 08:43.23 | KotCzarny | why should you use old kernels |
| 08:43.32 | WormFood | I have problems with the wireless....most of the time it will not get an address from the dhcp server |
| 08:43.43 | WormFood | I expect it to work when it is brand new |
| 08:43.50 | KotCzarny | it works for me |
| 08:43.52 | WormFood | I must use the new kernels if I want to turn it on |
| 08:43.59 | KotCzarny | and probably for many, many other people |
| 08:44.20 | WormFood | when I'm on a 15 hour plane trip, and I have to turn it off for take off, and I can't turn it back on, it gets very frustrating |
| 08:44.32 | Blafasel | WormFood: What are you trying to archive with your rant about a device in the channel that basically contains only owners/supporters? ;) |
| 08:44.35 | WormFood | and that was BEFORE the new kernel |
| 08:45.13 | WormFood | I'd be happy if someone told me how to make maemo weather give me a list of countries and locations I can choose from |
| 08:45.19 | WormFood | but even basic simple shit does not work |
| 08:45.34 | WormFood | I remember last time it seemed to take forever for it to update that list, but now it does not seem to update at all |
| 08:45.41 | jani | Blafasel: to prove that we are all morons perhaps |
| 08:46.12 | WormFood | fuck you jani, I never said nor suggested that |
| 08:46.12 | X-Fade_ | WormFood: It probably fetches weather from weather.com or another source like that. Perhaps the server is slow/down? |
| 08:46.25 | WormFood | X-Fade_, I'm monitoring the network traffic |
| 08:46.28 | WormFood | it is not slow or down |
| 08:46.35 | jani | WormFood: mm .. if your wlan is down how can it update the stations ? or these 2 cases arent happening at the same time ? |
| 08:46.38 | WormFood | I enter a usa zip code and it fetches weather just fine |
| 08:46.55 | X-Fade_ | WormFood: Please be a little more polite. |
| 08:46.58 | WormFood | jani, I said it won't fetch an ip address from dhcp most of the time |
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| 08:47.18 | WormFood | X-Fade_, jani shouldn't put words in my mouth |
| 08:47.50 | WormFood | I know there are some smart people here, and you guys have been helpful in the past |
| 08:48.00 | X-Fade_ | WormFood: Count to 10 before reacting ;) Makes life a lot more pleasant for everybody. |
| 08:48.12 | WormFood | I'm just not in the mood to fight with this shit when it should be simple and straight forward |
| 08:49.07 | WormFood | oh yeah, and when I give it my zip code, it still does not work....real nice! |
| 08:49.23 | WormFood | no doubt it wants something other than my zipcode |
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| 08:53.13 | Blafasel | Huh? You claim confusing things. Most of the time you get no IP address via dhcp. Is this one of these cases? It works with a USA zip? It doesn't with your zip (whereever you are) though? |
| 08:54.03 | WormFood | Blafasel, you're not paying attention...I said the network does not work as it should as MOST of time it will not fetch an IP from the DHCP server |
| 08:54.09 | WormFood | obviously that is not my problem now |
| 08:54.09 | Blafasel | You are currently only ranting about "shit", adding a "fuck" or "damn" randomly. Describe your problem a little less confusing and less emotional and someone might be able to help. |
| 08:54.23 | Blafasel | WormFood: Obviously nothing is obvious right now. |
| 08:54.44 | KotCzarny | even that obviousliness isn't obvious |
| 08:55.04 | Blafasel | StackOverflow |
| 08:55.11 | Cptn-N800 | Lol green people |
| 08:55.16 | WormFood | I'm not in usa, so as expected, it does not recognize my zip code |
| 08:55.18 | KotCzarny | core dump! core dump! |
| 08:55.35 | WormFood | I manually add a station and give it a usa zip code, and that works fine |
| 08:55.59 | WormFood | it WAS working 1-2 months ago |
| 08:56.33 | Blafasel | I have to ask the default support question: What did you change? |
| 08:56.35 | WormFood | now I have reinstalled my entire system to update to the newest OS2008, because I was unlucky enough to have one of the shit N800s that won't turn on |
| 08:57.15 | Cptn-N800 | Maybe if you were nicer to it and used less swear words it would turn on |
| 08:57.36 | WormFood | maybe if I grind it under the heel of my boot it will turn on |
| 08:58.17 | wom- | well, whatever turns it on :) |
| 08:58.18 | Cptn-N800 | Yeah do that... Then youll have no tablet and it could go back to sivilized chat in here |
| 08:58.19 | WormFood | that was the ONLY reason I upgraded it to the newest OS2008 |
| 08:58.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:59.02 | KotCzarny | wormfood: just sell it and buy iphone |
| 08:59.12 | Blafasel | So - which version of omweather are you talking about anyway? |
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| 08:59.17 | WormFood | I really had no desire to update to the newest OS2008 and reinstall everything....the only reason I did that is to fix the problem that was supposed to fix |
| 08:59.22 | Blafasel | 0.19.6 I presume? |
| 08:59.26 | KotCzarny | n8x0 is more for people who like to hack it |
| 08:59.40 | WormFood | whatever is the newest that downloads from the installer |
| 08:59.50 | WormFood | I love to hack stuff, but I did not buy this to hack |
| 08:59.58 | Cptn-N800 | Or for people who dont go hulk when something doesnt work |
| 09:00.12 | WormFood | I bought this for one reason, and one reason only....to make sip phone calls over the internet on it |
| 09:00.46 | WormFood | and I'm really pissed about that, because it works beautifully on my home network, but when I'm on the other side of the planet I can't do ANYTHING to get sip working (and yes I forwarded all the proper ports) |
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| 09:01.17 | Cptn-N800 | Go home and call from there then |
| 09:01.57 | WormFood | this is some bullshit! I uninstall omweather, and reinstall it, and it says I need to reboot....so I reboot, and now all the countries are there |
| 09:02.06 | jaska | heh |
| 09:02.08 | Cptn-N800 | Does pidgin have ignore user for irc? |
| 09:02.12 | WormFood | it never said I need to reboot after I installed omweather the first time |
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| 09:02.25 | Blafasel | Give me a sec. I'm just installing the (useless?) omweather stuff. |
| 09:02.35 | jaska | that it needs to reboot is slightly wtf in itself |
| 09:02.41 | WormFood | Cptn-N800, it is a normal feature of irc, try /ignore |
| 09:03.00 | jaska | i think freenode might even have serverside ignore |
| 09:03.03 | WormFood | yeah, I was thinking the same thing too...why the hell would a weather app need to reboot the device...is this windows? |
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| 09:04.04 | WormFood | Blafasel, when it worked it was great, I really liked it a lot and used it all the time (not that I really trust weather reports, but my girl liked it) |
| 09:04.36 | Cptn-N800 | I have the most leet weather system ever |
| 09:04.47 | Cptn-N800 | A window :) |
| 09:05.00 | wom- | thats pretty high tech :) |
| 09:05.06 | KotCzarny | it doesn't support temp. reading |
| 09:05.11 | wom- | real time updates etc. |
| 09:05.23 | WormFood | I remember the weather rock |
| 09:05.28 | WormFood | when it is wet, it is raining |
| 09:05.33 | Cptn-N800 | Real time update, better accuracy, amimated preview |
| 09:05.55 | WormFood | throw the weather rock, and it is animated then ;) |
| 09:06.12 | KotCzarny | better? |
| 09:06.15 | KotCzarny | i disagree |
| 09:07.00 | WormFood | but one of the things I like about the weather app (that I don't get with a window), is I plug in my home zip to see the weather there |
| 09:07.18 | KotCzarny | wormfood, for a start try pinging that site from device |
| 09:07.38 | WormFood | I find it interesting that many times my home area has very similar weather to me on the other side of the planet |
| 09:08.01 | WormFood | KotCzarny, I know I can hit the site just fine because it updates the weather when I manually give it my home (usa) zip |
| 09:08.24 | KotCzarny | then check if they support anything else than usa |
| 09:08.32 | WormFood | this is nice...now it lets me select the country, but it won't select the province |
| 09:08.51 | WormFood | KotCzarny, I know for a fact it supported my country in the past....I was using it last month |
| 09:09.25 | KotCzarny | software changes |
| 09:09.36 | WormFood | did they change something to cause my problems? |
| 09:09.38 | KotCzarny | do they have client for windows/linux too? |
| 09:10.04 | WormFood | not sure, I never use it on my laptop |
| 09:10.10 | KotCzarny | then check |
| 09:10.31 | KotCzarny | if it works on the laptop you can try finding out if there were any changes lately |
| 09:10.36 | KotCzarny | in their software |
| 09:11.31 | Tobotras | N810 wimax edition. No N800 :( |
| 09:11.46 | WormFood | and it won't let me select "ä¸Â国" as my country ;) |
| 09:12.58 | WormFood | actually it does let me select "ä¸Â国", but under its western name |
| 09:14.15 | WormFood | did I overlook it, or is there no "reboot" option from the GUI? ("init 6" works tho) |
| 09:14.48 | Jiten | try pushing the power button? |
| 09:14.49 | KotCzarny | it's hidden |
| 09:15.14 | WormFood | the power button only lets you turn it off |
| 09:15.22 | WormFood | I mean, in addition to other things |
| 09:15.31 | WormFood | KotCzarny, are you serious, or just joking? |
| 09:15.34 | KotCzarny | you can enable that option in power menu |
| 09:15.39 | KotCzarny | just google for it |
| 09:15.51 | KotCzarny | it's a simple uncomment in one of the config files |
| 09:16.24 | KotCzarny | if you're lazy just kill some system process |
| 09:16.28 | WormFood | not very user friendly for the non-geek |
| 09:16.42 | KotCzarny | non-geek shouldn't reboot it on a whim |
| 09:16.50 | Jiten | would a non-geek be obsessed about finding restart when there is shutdown? |
| 09:17.04 | Cptn-N800 | Lol |
| 09:18.23 | WormFood | true Jiten, the non-geek wouldn't question the lack of a reboot |
| 09:18.48 | WormFood | KotCzarny, it isn't a whim, when apps require a reboot |
| 09:18.51 | WormFood | sighs |
| 09:19.05 | WormFood | this is linux...why would anything require a reboot other than a hardware or kernel change? |
| 09:19.07 | Cptn-N800 | Just turn it off and on again |
| 09:19.16 | KotCzarny | it's maemo |
| 09:19.18 | Cptn-N800 | or do i need to call the it crowd to tell you that? :D |
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| 09:19.55 | Lynoure | WormFood: sometimes mystical memory problems are most efficiently taken care of a reboot, at least. |
| 09:20.51 | Jiten | it's still possible to make a package with some initialization scripts that only get run on boot but ... that sounds a bit weird. |
| 09:20.52 | WormFood | seriously, the only time I reboot linux (on my desktop/server) is for a kernel parameter that can only be changed at boottime, a kernel change, or a hardware change. |
| 09:21.17 | WormFood | even on a server/desktop, when something wants to run a boottime, I just manually run it |
| 09:21.32 | Cptn-N800 | Reboot on maemo fixes shit. Thats life :p |
| 09:21.36 | Jiten | on desktop I tend to find and run them manually but on n800 it's much easier to just reboot. |
| 09:21.40 | WormFood | I can't imagine why omweather would want a reboot (or I can't imagine any legit reason) |
| 09:22.24 | WormFood | and it won't let me select a province for my country...I suspect that field is only for canada or something |
| 09:22.59 | Cptn-N800 | Make a bookmark to an online weather site |
| 09:23.07 | jani | WormFood: btw, when you arent getting that ip from dhcp, is not normal wlan or wimax ? |
| 09:23.25 | WormFood | anyways, it is almost 5:30, and I need to do some work before 6pm |
| 09:23.27 | KotCzarny | from maemo: |
| 09:23.27 | KotCzarny | You can also edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml and uncomment reboot item so it in not inside <!-- -->. |
| 09:23.28 | KotCzarny | After one reboot you have 'reboot' item in power key menu. But true that this can't 'reboot your tablet without using the tablet power buttton'. |
| 09:23.43 | WormFood | jani, it is a normal wlan |
| 09:23.56 | jani | ok. |
| 09:24.14 | WormFood | thanks KotCzarny, that was the file I was looking for I couldn't find on google |
| 09:24.34 | WormFood | jani, I was here not long ago, and we (me and other guys) were trying to figure out the root of the dhcp problem |
| 09:25.09 | WormFood | I think it happens most of the time with weak signal APs, but it was happening to me with a strong signal, but I can't reproduce the problem now |
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| 10:29.32 | crashanddie | I know this is a long shot, but none of you ever had to work with tcpstream (cc++) |
| 10:31.36 | crashanddie | ? |
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| 10:35.27 | hullfandan | Hello all. Could someone recommend a good tutorial for writing makefiles? I am started to get confused with what cflags/libs I need to add to the makefile to me able to import certain libraries. |
| 10:52.57 | Tobotras | hullfandan: this is not a "tutorial for writing makefiles", this is "user's guide of certain library". |
| 10:53.03 | Tobotras | hullfandan: if you're using GNOME infrastructure, correct make options are fetched from pkg-config. If not, deal with each library individually |
| 10:57.35 | hullfandan | I am very new to makefiles so I just wanted a general tutorial so I understand the fundamentals |
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| 10:58.04 | hullfandan | I see what you mean about libraries though. I managed to add sdl calls as my app is hopefully going to be a full screen game |
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| 10:59.04 | hullfandan | Tobotras: Thanks, I will look into pkg-config, I've not used that yet I don't think. I have just been manually adding libs/cflags soo far |
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| 11:00.37 | Tobotras | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.38 | Tobotras | -lglib-2.0 |
| 11:00.43 | Tobotras | hullfandan: that's your linking flag |
| 11:01.07 | hullfandan | oh yeah :) |
| 11:01.48 | hullfandan | I then add things like sdl-config |
| 11:02.03 | Tobotras | no, you add things line pkg-config sdl :) |
| 11:02.28 | hullfandan | LIBS = `pkg-config glib-2.0 --libs` `sdl-config --libs` -lSDL |
| 11:02.29 | Tobotras | If SDL comes with sdl<something>.pc file |
| 11:02.36 | hullfandan | seems to work |
| 11:02.55 | hullfandan | more through trial and error though probably :D |
| 11:03.07 | Tobotras | ah |
| 11:03.43 | hullfandan | starting to get confused now i am adding osso and other libs, etc |
| 11:03.50 | Tobotras | hullfandan: you directly typed "-lSDL", why do you need '*config'? :) |
| 11:04.18 | hullfandan | pass :) |
| 11:04.18 | Tobotras | hullfandan: pkg-config --libs libosso |
| 11:05.29 | hullfandan | so I would add that like this 'pkg-config --libs libosso' after the other libs. |
| 11:06.05 | hullfandan | The reason i asked about tutorial is that I have seen makefiles where they use $(name of library) as a variable |
| 11:06.15 | hullfandan | I wanted to do soemthing like that to keep things tidier too |
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| 11:10.37 | hullfandan | Tobotras: So where so I find that libosso is the way to add the osso library? I can;t see it in the doxygene docs for osso so where do I find this information for new libraries? |
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| 11:29.20 | msh_ | anyone know how to "stop matchbox with dsmetool" as referred to at http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.devel/2005-10/msg00308.html ?? |
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| 11:34.30 | zuh | msh_: 'source /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh stop' for example |
| 11:34.56 | msh_ | aah, I was running it as root. |
| 11:34.58 | msh_ | thanks :) |
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| 11:38.20 | Jaffa | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/UI/Designs/TouchScreen/Proposal6 looks quite cool. Anyone played with Mozilla's fennenc build? |
| 11:42.40 | jani | hullfandan: i dont understand your question =) |
| 11:45.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I was just installing it to test ;) |
| 11:45.19 | X-Fade | 10.3MB download though.. |
| 11:46.02 | Jaffa | Ouch. Won't be doing that over 3G |
| 11:46.40 | X-Fade | I'll let you know how it works/feels. |
| 11:47.23 | X-Fade | Installer is pegged at 100%cpu for 3 minutes already and the progress bar is at 10% :) |
| 11:47.25 | Jaffa | Ah, I now have wifi at work :-) |
| 11:47.33 | Jaffa | I'll let you play first ;-) |
| 11:49.02 | X-Fade | Hmm it creates 2 icons. Minefield and Fennec |
| 11:50.11 | X-Fade | First startup is about 30 seconds ;) |
| 11:50.59 | Jaffa | I was intrigued by the comment on the design doc which said double-tap was zoom. Would be cool to see if that's Mobile Safari like |
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| 11:52.12 | X-Fade | Hmm it doesn't scroll visually. It only updates the image when you let go of the screen. |
| 11:52.35 | Jaffa | That sounds entirely useless :) |
| 11:53.15 | X-Fade | Nah, it is not that bad. It scrolls the amount you have moved your stylus. |
| 11:53.34 | X-Fade | But it is not 'live'. |
| 11:53.58 | X-Fade | Ah, it is just that it is eating too much cpu. |
| 11:54.03 | Jaffa | ah |
| 11:54.07 | X-Fade | It has kinetic scrolling :) |
| 11:54.20 | X-Fade | Which is seriously cpu-intensive.. |
| 11:54.53 | Jaffa | wonders if iPhone-like fudging (render as blocky image and scroll that, then crisp up the display) would be effective |
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| 11:55.46 | X-Fade | It doesn't seem to zoom on double-click yet. |
| 11:56.57 | X-Fade | It doesn't seem to do zooming at all yet. |
| 11:58.03 | X-Fade | One thing to notice about Fennec is that it doesn't have any scrollbars. |
| 12:00.39 | X-Fade | Ah! It does do zooming, you just need to slow double click.. like 1 sec apart. |
| 12:00.46 | X-Fade | Sweet ;) |
| 12:01.31 | X-Fade | And kinetic scrolling on maemo.org is doable, on slashdot.org it is just too heavy. |
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| 12:05.23 | Jaffa | The UI spec claimed they'd appear only during dragging. What that means for positional indicators when you're not dragging, I'm not sure. |
| 12:05.38 | Jaffa | X-Fade: is it an HTML block-element zoom? |
| 12:06.00 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, I can double click on columns and they zoom to full screen.. |
| 12:06.22 | X-Fade | But the scrolling doesn't show the translucent scrollbars. |
| 12:06.58 | Jaffa | So allits "it's so fast, oooh" comments were - to be frank - a pile of crap. Doesn't matter how fast your JS engine is if the UI is as slow as treacle ;-) |
| 12:07.34 | X-Fade | Yeah, it has some nice features. But rendering seems very slow.. |
| 12:07.47 | X-Fade | Microb is 10 times faster in rendering it seems. |
| 12:07.56 | X-Fade | Which is pretty weird. |
| 12:11.06 | sp3000 | whoops |
| 12:11.51 | Jaffa | is installing it now |
| 12:14.47 | Jaffa | It's not *that* slow. Kinetic scrolling is nice |
| 12:17.27 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, 2fps perhaps? |
| 12:17.41 | X-Fade | Try slashdot.org or planet.gnome.org ;) |
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| 12:19.19 | Jaffa | Double-tap zooming seems a bit unreliable in detecting the taps |
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| 12:19.39 | X-Fade | You need to tap in the exact same position on the screen. |
| 12:19.46 | Jaffa | yeah |
| 12:20.01 | X-Fade | You can also drag all images btw ;) |
| 12:20.06 | Jaffa | Although it's slower than microb, I feel a lot more comofrtable using it knowing that a drag isn't going to jitter or randomly select text |
| 12:20.26 | Jaffa | Viewing p.m.o on microb is an unfun experience trying to drag-scroll |
| 12:20.50 | X-Fade | Yeah on some divs it messes up.. |
| 12:21.51 | X-Fade | Oh it does that too in fennec.. |
| 12:22.07 | X-Fade | Try to scroll when you click inside a bubble.. |
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| 12:25.02 | Jaffa | Oh yeah, it's just as crap - if not more so. |
| 12:25.15 | Jaffa | I said the bubbles were a bad idea ;-) |
| 12:25.26 | X-Fade | Hmm no, it seems that it is a redraw problem.. |
| 12:25.47 | Jaffa | nice |
| 12:25.57 | X-Fade | Redraw costs too much cpu and so it looks messed up. But if you wait 10 secs, it gets better ;) |
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| 12:26.15 | Jaffa | For a mobile device, p.m.o is a real trial of torture - ironic really |
| 12:26.19 | Jaffa | Oh yeah, it's caught up now |
| 12:26.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Don't test it without the cpu applet running ;) |
| 12:26.52 | X-Fade | So you can see what the device is doing.. |
| 12:27.05 | Jaffa | :) |
| 12:27.09 | Jaffa | SSH in and top |
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| 12:32.55 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I think the browser has potential, but I would really like to see what Webkit will do on the device. |
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| 12:36.13 | solmumaha | X-Fade: tried Midori? |
| 12:36.28 | X-Fade | solmumaha: Not yet. |
| 12:37.04 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Minefield that comes with fennec does render faster. So the kinetic scrolling thing is slowing it down. |
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| 12:37.50 | X-Fade | solmumaha: Do you know if midori can also run with the webkit that is in extras? |
| 12:40.11 | solmumaha | nope, i tried Bundyos packages |
| 12:41.02 | solmumaha | i guess it doesn't hurt to try |
| 12:41.27 | solmumaha | it worked quite well for such a quick port |
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| 12:43.00 | Jaffa | X-Fade: with Diablo bringing WRT support, we might see a push for S60 compatibility and so a WebKit renderer |
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| 12:44.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, there seem to be webkit package in extras optimized for the tablet. But why only the libs ;) |
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| 13:23.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: have you played with the kinetic scrolling in Diablo in libgtkmozembed (and microb)? |
| 13:24.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I don't have access to that :( |
| 13:24.35 | Jaffa | :( |
| 13:25.22 | X-Fade | I'm just a community member. |
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| 13:37.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: shame |
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| 13:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if all the 3rd party browsers didn't totally suck UI-wise. |
| 13:52.46 | dark_link | is the n800 unbrickeable? |
| 13:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | 'course not. |
| 13:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | That's a statement that you really can't make for any mobile device. |
| 13:54.32 | dark_link | could I brik my n800 using the flasher? flashing something wrong? |
| 13:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | From joe-user's perspective, though, (as long as they don't do stupid things) the answer is effectively, yes. |
| 13:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | What flasher are you using? |
| 13:56.17 | dark_link | flasher.3.0 |
| 13:56.35 | ||cw | dark_link: no, you'd have to hose the bootloader to truely brick it |
| 13:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming you flash with: ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO Image> -f -R |
| 13:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | and don't pull the cable or knock out the power half-way through, you'll be fine. |
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| 13:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | The danger area is only when it's flashing the NOLO bootloader. |
| 13:57.24 | GeneralAntilles | But it's very small |
| 13:57.31 | GeneralAntilles | so the danger window is only a fraction of a second. |
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| 13:59.21 | dark_link | so when you update from os2007 to os2008 it flashes a new NOLO bootloader? |
| 13:59.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 14:00.19 | TheFool | anyone try 2008HE for the 770 yet? |
| 14:00.39 | GeneralAntilles | I like it. |
| 14:01.11 | dark_link | and n800 with a bad bootloader will be unable to flash? |
| 14:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | Just a bit of an anecdote, I've flasher 4 devices (2 770s, 2 N800s) more than 50 times all together. |
| 14:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | Never had a single bricking. |
| 14:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | 1 or 2 flashings have failed partway through (while flashing the rootfs, mostly my own fault in both cases), but nothing that a second attempt didn't solve. |
| 14:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | So, really, although there's always the possibility of something going wrong, the chance for it is about zero. |
| 14:04.01 | dark_link | I can see that flasher has an option to flash NOLO secondary bootloader image, what about the first? |
| 14:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | NOLO is composed of two parts |
| 14:05.18 | GeneralAntilles | secondary and 2nd |
| 14:05.26 | dark_link | ok |
| 14:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | You just want to flash the whole FIASCO image, though. |
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| 14:06.45 | dark_link | I want to tray to flash another kernel, just to try. So if I use only the --kernel option, It could be reflasheable after? |
| 14:07.03 | GeneralAntilles | You want to just boot it. |
| 14:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | hang on one sec |
| 14:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 -k <zImage> -l -R |
| 14:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | Is what you want |
| 14:08.31 | dark_link | ok thanks |
| 14:09.29 | dark_link | and I've seen that the n800 omap has some functions like 3D, video rendering, etc. They are not used now, are they? |
| 14:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 14:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | No drivers. |
| 14:10.17 | dark_link | ok |
| 14:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | Potentially due to technical issues, definitely due to performance issues. |
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| 14:11.52 | dark_link | opengl would be great |
| 14:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely |
| 14:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | but the LCD controller is limiting. |
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| 14:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | You certainly wouldn't be able to run at 800x480 with good performance |
| 14:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | 640x480 is suspect, too. |
| 14:13.59 | dark_link | why this happens? |
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| 14:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the built-in controller (which we're not using) is limited to 640x480 |
| 14:16.33 | Spakman | I'd like to change the status of my Garage project from Alpha to Beta, but I can't find how to do it! Does anyone know? |
| 14:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | and the 800x480 3rd party LCD controller isn't a particularly fast one. |
| 14:17.35 | dark_link | GeneralAntilles, thanks for sharing all your knowledge |
| 14:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 14:18.11 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: why not? |
| 14:18.42 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: as in why would the powervr not be able to provide reasonable performance at 800x640? |
| 14:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't have enough vram for that? |
| 14:19.09 | lardman | My impression was that we are still just below the lcd controller memory bandwidth |
| 14:19.20 | lardman | ah, but we don't know how much it has do we? |
| 14:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain the frame on the pvr is limited to 640x480 |
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| 14:20.30 | lardman | perhaps, I'd be interested to know where the figure came from |
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| 14:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | Well, partially it's a supposition based on the fact that the built-in controller is limited to 640x480, and partially I remember hearing it from a number of different people. |
| 14:23.20 | lardman | http://www.realviewtools.com/news/5087.html says that the one from ARM supports up to QVGA, so I can see your reasoning that the Ti one would support the same as the OMAP on-chip fb |
| 14:23.34 | lardman | I was just curious if some extra information had come to light |
| 14:23.53 | Navi | That's the MBX |
| 14:24.00 | lardman | we also have the mbx |
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| 14:25.18 | lardman | I wonder where a size limitation would be imposed? The powervr mbx is supposed to use internal memory for its processing, then presumably writes to the framebuffer |
| 14:25.55 | lardman | I can see that it might be designed for X number of objects with such and such a texture res, etc., but not necessarily an actual output res limit |
| 14:26.07 | lardman | or am I going off in the wrong direction here? |
| 14:26.14 | lardman | bbiab |
| 14:26.53 | Navi | QVGA is only 320x240 anyways :/ |
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| 14:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | The *VGA designations are irritating. |
| 14:30.03 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/transp_keybd_Nokia_770.jpg i'm hoping that we get a windowing system that uses opengl natively, so transparent windows are hardware accelerated |
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| 14:30.33 | Navi | lol |
| 14:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with the hardware keyboard? |
| 14:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | OmniWeb is gonna die horribly if they don't fix the focus bug at some point. |
| 14:31.05 | pupnik | i prefer hardware keyboards |
| 14:31.10 | Navi | :P |
| 14:31.24 | pupnik | but people who want an onscreen keyboard don't have great choices for non-hildon apps |
| 14:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming no future maemo device lacks a hardware keyboard, why do we need the transparent thumbboard? :P |
| 14:31.44 | pupnik | you think this is a safe assumption? i'd love that |
| 14:31.51 | Navi | 'cuz I don't like sliding out the keyboard all the time |
| 14:32.00 | Jaffa | imagines they all will now |
| 14:32.07 | Jaffa | Unless h/w space gets really cramped |
| 14:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd rather not have a slider |
| 14:32.15 | Navi | is the minority |
| 14:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | but I don't see them taking out the hardware keyboard. |
| 14:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno, maybe if they diversify some. |
| 14:32.40 | Jaffa | is itching for confirmation closer to the N810 WME release of it being step 4. Then we're probably < 12 months away from step 5 :-) |
| 14:32.49 | Navi | woo |
| 14:32.57 | Navi | I don't want another N800 rehash. |
| 14:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | a 3.5" model would probably have some issues fitting a keyboard. |
| 14:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, there's no way it's not step 4. |
| 14:33.21 | jeddy3 | what is this about 5 steps? ...of what? |
| 14:33.36 | Navi | Nokia's five step progam to kicking a habit |
| 14:33.45 | pupnik | i was just typing that |
| 14:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 14:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | 5 steps to breaking us of our tablet addiction as they dumb them down more and more for the masses? :P |
| 14:34.19 | Navi | yay |
| 14:34.20 | TPC | what is step 5 supposed to bring that we don't already have? |
| 14:34.29 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, OMAP3? |
| 14:34.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: true, it not being step 4 would be a *real* surprise. |
| 14:34.41 | Jaffa | A wondrous new UI which is perfect (allegedly) |
| 14:34.59 | pupnik | what I fear is that the resolution advantage will disappear and maemo will dry up versus the winCE hordes |
| 14:34.59 | jeddy3 | ah, 5 OMAP3-devices, then next generation? |
| 14:35.09 | Jaffa | It may be being over-hyped a little ;-) |
| 14:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | Also, a lot of comments Texrat has made indicates that step 5 is coming sooner than later. |
| 14:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | lol, jeddy3? |
| 14:35.33 | Navi | \o/ |
| 14:35.43 | jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, yes? :) |
| 14:35.53 | Navi | jeddy3, step five is the most market-usable |
| 14:36.04 | Navi | "flawless" |
| 14:36.11 | pupnik | i hope that means they get pushed into all the cell-phone stores |
| 14:36.18 | jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, forgive me for being ignorant |
| 14:36.19 | GeneralAntilles | Step 1: 770, Step 2: N800, Step 3: N810, Step 4: N810WE, Step 5: Presumably N900 with OMAP3 |
| 14:36.25 | jeddy3 | Navi, THANKS! |
| 14:36.31 | TPC | so pretty much just better graphics performance? |
| 14:36.36 | Navi | They should go with xscale :D |
| 14:36.40 | GeneralAntilles | Better all around performance. |
| 14:36.44 | TPC | nothing I care about then, I would be happy with a N800 with a cli interface only :P |
| 14:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | ~600MHz versus 400MHz |
| 14:36.59 | pupnik | I think their plan is not so much hardware stages but product maturity stages |
| 14:37.17 | Navi | TPC, well, there's also the ability to play H.264 |
| 14:37.24 | TPC | thats nice I suppose |
| 14:37.27 | Navi | and 720p without scaling down |
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| 14:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | TPC, why didn't you just buy yourself a used Zaurus, then? |
| 14:37.44 | Jaffa | Yes, step 5 is the end-consumer big-marketing-push type device, i.e. what Apple think they have with the iPhone |
| 14:37.45 | pi_ | ga help |
| 14:37.45 | Navi | at least, if they use the 3440 |
| 14:37.55 | TPC | GeneralAntilles, because I already have a N800, which works fine |
| 14:38.00 | pupnik | is it conceivable that n900 would have tv-out (analog, hdmi whatever) |
| 14:38.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's certainly not out of the question |
| 14:38.15 | Navi | pupnik, the OMAP chips support it |
| 14:38.18 | pupnik | i think the soc supports it |
| 14:38.28 | Navi | nokia just needs to implement it |
| 14:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | 4-wire 3.5mm jack, anyone? :P |
| 14:38.39 | TPC | I hope they bring back SD cards, I would own a 810 right now (to get the keyboard) if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't take them |
| 14:38.46 | GeneralAntilles | TPC, they wont. |
| 14:38.49 | jeddy3 | pupnik, or via their "nobounds? |
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| 14:38.52 | TPC | I own tons of SD cards already, don't want to spend alot of money bying minisd/microsd |
| 14:39.01 | Navi | jeddy3, no, not nobounds |
| 14:39.04 | Navi | real t-out |
| 14:39.12 | Navi | s/t/tv/ |
| 14:39.38 | pupnik | being able to show friends movies/video on a tv or computer monitor would be nice |
| 14:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think my poll only managed to confuse things. :P |
| 14:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | We shoulda stuck with N810WM. :\ |
| 14:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | erm, N810WE |
| 14:40.03 | Navi | pupnik, especially if it's the OMAP3440 |
| 14:40.16 | Navi | 720p output :P |
| 14:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it could handle that, Navi. |
| 14:40.40 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, sure it can! |
| 14:40.44 | Navi | believes |
| 14:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | At least, looking at the OMAP3430/40 spec sheet, anyway. |
| 14:41.00 | pupnik | They have hardware decoders for some hi-res video formats |
| 14:41.07 | pupnik | the TI literature advertises 720p decoding |
| 14:41.08 | Navi | yeah |
| 14:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | Decoding wouldn't be an issue |
| 14:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | but getting it to a TV |
| 14:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | There's either the s-vide/composite output |
| 14:41.32 | pupnik | blah |
| 14:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | or using the second 640x480 display for VGA or something. |
| 14:41.40 | pupnik | there's no micro standard for hdmi? |
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| 14:42.05 | Navi | http://www.vastercable.com/index.php?cPath=115 |
| 14:42.16 | hrw | TPC: SD cards are huge |
| 14:42.24 | Cptnodegard | im in love with my new toy: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800-proporta.jpg |
| 14:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | You need adv-backlight, Cptnodegard. |
| 14:43.42 | Navi | pupnik, there are mini connectors for the HDMI spec |
| 14:43.45 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 14:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | N810W/WE/WME |
| 14:44.00 | Navi | 10cm x 2.5cm or so |
| 14:44.07 | Navi | er |
| 14:44.09 | Navi | er |
| 14:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 14:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | Mini my ass! |
| 14:44.17 | Navi | 10mm x 2.5mm |
| 14:46.13 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Nice one |
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| 14:50.16 | Cptnodegard | [16:42] <GeneralAntilles> You need adv-backlight, Cptnodegard. <- why? |
| 14:50.26 | GeneralAntilles | Save statusbar space. |
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| 14:50.57 | rm_you | lol |
| 14:51.29 | Cptnodegard | where does adv backlight put itself? |
| 14:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | Statusbar |
| 14:52.05 | Cptnodegard | then whats the point? o0 |
| 14:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 |
| 14:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, did you get Extras access yet? |
| 14:53.20 | Cptnodegard | nice |
| 14:53.37 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: not to my knowledge >_> |
| 14:53.44 | rm_you | no one has emailed me about it |
| 14:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bug X-Fade or something. :P |
| 14:54.10 | rm_you | i wish my n800 worked so i could actually work on that more <_< |
| 14:54.12 | Italodance | only Skype-to-Skype is possible? |
| 14:54.41 | rm_you | Italodance: you can call landlines / mobile phones via n800 Skype, if you buy minutes |
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| 14:55.36 | Italodance | rm_you cool! but how many time it needs? |
| 14:56.06 | rm_you | Italodance: you just pay by the minute, I think... I don't do it myself, as I have a seperate cellphone |
| 14:56.48 | Italodance | rm_you hehe yes i have othwer nokia cellphone too,,,,just wanted to try and test it! |
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| 14:58.31 | Italodance | rm_you so skpe is not free for call to the cellphones???? |
| 14:58.43 | Italodance | *skype |
| 14:58.57 | hrw | never was |
| 14:59.29 | Italodance | ok! such a bad feel! |
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| 14:59.32 | Cptnodegard | installed, thx GeneralAntilles |
| 14:59.37 | rm_you | Skype is the same on n800 as it is on PC |
| 14:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | Just pluggin' the wares. |
| 14:59.50 | rm_you | :P |
| 15:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, Extras! |
| 15:00.18 | rm_you | i know |
| 15:00.20 | Italodance | rm_you yeah i got it |
| 15:00.28 | rm_you | you're a dev on the project technically... You work on it :P |
| 15:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | Talk to X-Fade |
| 15:00.45 | GeneralAntilles | He's the man with the plan these days. |
| 15:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | I can't package anything over here. :P |
| 15:00.58 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:01.10 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you want to buy me a new rig. |
| 15:01.15 | GeneralAntilles | Then I'd be happy to do it for you. |
| 15:01.23 | Italodance | rm_you is there any tool that can call to the phones? |
| 15:01.37 | rm_you | yes |
| 15:01.39 | Italodance | yes free app |
| 15:01.43 | Italodance | which? |
| 15:01.47 | Blafasel | Don't use skype. It's not open, it uses tons of bandwith and sucks in general. |
| 15:01.52 | rm_you | There was a thing involving Gizmo Project and GrandCentral |
| 15:01.57 | rm_you | i don't know if it still works |
| 15:02.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: N810W, N810WE or N810WME are fine with me. Nokia's URLs seem to use N810 WME - which thoughtfix also noticed and is using - so might be the best bet. |
| 15:02.08 | rm_you | I was using it for a while |
| 15:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat is saying that they use N810W internally. |
| 15:02.27 | rm_you | W/WE/WME? |
| 15:02.28 | Italodance | rm_you tnx so i should install Gizmo! |
| 15:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | or that "some" have, anyway. |
| 15:02.45 | rm_you | Italodance: it isn't that simple... there's a post about it somewhere on the forums... |
| 15:02.57 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: is that to do with the WIMAX tablet? |
| 15:03.19 | rm_you | I've been away for a week or two again, I miss all this stuff that happens! :P |
| 15:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 15:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 15:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo gets official, too. |
| 15:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | "Q2 2008" |
| 15:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | Which you should probably interpret as June 30th. |
| 15:04.51 | Daviey | GeneralAntilles: you expect it to be on time?! |
| 15:05.45 | Italodance | rm_you http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+call ! |
| 15:06.23 | Italodance | but not easy! |
| 15:06.43 | rm_you | yeah, it's kind of annoying to set up and use |
| 15:06.45 | rm_you | but it works |
| 15:07.01 | Italodance | CONFUSED :S |
| 15:07.04 | GeneralAntilles | Then drop $10 for a few hundred Gizmo minutes. |
| 15:07.15 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles LOL |
| 15:07.31 | Blafasel | Why "lol"? |
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| 15:11.03 | Italodance | that's expensive |
| 15:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | $10? |
| 15:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | A lot cheaper than a landline or cellphone. |
| 15:11.28 | hrw | Italodance: that method works only if you live in US |
| 15:12.23 | Italodance | hrw oh what a pity! |
| 15:16.23 | hrw | Italodance: I am used to that |
| 15:16.23 | hrw | many of 'nice deals' means 'US only' |
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| 15:17.13 | Italodance | hrw which skype? |
| 15:18.25 | Blafasel | 10$ is expensive? |
| 15:18.36 | hrw | 02 17:11 < Italodance> rm_you http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+call |
| 15:18.41 | hrw | that trick I mean |
| 15:18.42 | Blafasel | What? That's about 6 Euro.. |
| 15:18.51 | Blafasel | You get two BigMacs for that. |
| 15:19.29 | hrw | Blafasel: if not more even |
| 15:19.54 | Italodance | y |
| 15:20.04 | GeneralAntilles | 3 Euro for a BigMac? |
| 15:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | That's nuts! |
| 15:20.16 | Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Well, how much in $? |
| 15:20.22 | Blafasel | That's nuts, right.. |
| 15:20.24 | hrw | I do not remember when last time I was in McD |
| 15:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | Like, $1.29 |
| 15:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | For just the burger |
| 15:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Meal is, like, $5 |
| 15:21.37 | Blafasel | Nice.. You pay 1 Eur for a cheeseburger alone |
| 15:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | I only ever go to McDonalds for breakfast, though. |
| 15:21.58 | ||cw | bigmac isn't just a cheeseburger though |
| 15:22.11 | Blafasel | ||cw: Oh really? ;) |
| 15:22.33 | ||cw | 2 patties, 3 slice bread, lettuce, 2 cheese |
| 15:22.45 | GeneralAntilles | Chick-fil-A is better for lunch. |
| 15:22.51 | ||cw | I'd rather have a jumbo jack though |
| 15:23.02 | ||cw | for fast food burger that is |
| 15:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 15:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | Jack in the Box grosses me out. |
| 15:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | Checkers is good. |
| 15:23.44 | ||cw | GeneralAntilles: at least their bugers don't sit in a drawer for an hour already cooked |
| 15:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 15:24.23 | ||cw | mcd is icky |
| 15:24.33 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding? ;P |
| 15:24.55 | hrw | I will not discuss about quality of mcd food |
| 15:24.57 | GeneralAntilles | I had In-N-Out Burger when I was out in California. |
| 15:24.57 | hrw | I avoid it |
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| 15:25.01 | GeneralAntilles | Quite good. |
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| 15:27.40 | rm_you | mmm Chik-fil-a |
| 15:27.46 | rm_you | <3 |
| 15:28.04 | GeneralAntilles | Nuggets and a lemonade |
| 15:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yum |
| 15:28.09 | GeneralAntilles | I love their fries. |
| 15:28.20 | hrw | hmm... when last time I was in fastfood... |
| 15:28.35 | hrw | burger king in december on Liverpool Station in London |
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| 15:29.56 | morbec | someone knows what is the password of the default user on the device? |
| 15:30.04 | rm_you | yay, time to write a paper on "what I consider to be the principal 3 or 4 factors affecting the application of iron technology to ancient greek/roman metallurgy" >_< |
| 15:30.16 | rm_you | morbec: i don't think it has a password |
| 15:30.25 | rm_you | morbec: it's like... "locked" |
| 15:30.30 | GeneralAntilles | user has no password by default |
| 15:30.30 | rm_you | IIRC |
| 15:31.12 | rm_you | if you want to log in via SSH, you need to log in as root, because "user" doesn't have a password, and i think trying to add one would break things |
| 15:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | Humanities course? You should address their acceptance of gay men. :P |
| 15:31.32 | rm_you | Ancient Science and Technology <_ |
| 15:31.33 | rm_you | <_< |
| 15:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 15:32.09 | rm_you | time to read about 50 pages of *crap* about ancient attempts to make steel |
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| 15:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | At least it's only 50. |
| 15:32.57 | rm_you | >_> |
| 15:32.59 | rm_you | truth |
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| 15:36.43 | morbec | thnaks |
| 15:37.00 | morbec | s/thnaks/thanks! |
| 15:37.08 | ||cw | rm_you: in OS2006 I know adding a password to user doens't break anything |
| 15:37.19 | ||cw | on a 770 |
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| 15:46.01 | derf | rm_you: You can always just add another user with the same uid as "user", and give them a password. |
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| 15:55.02 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 15:55.07 | Cptnodegard | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18629 |
| 15:55.09 | Cptnodegard | thats genius |
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| 15:59.48 | lardman | hmm, long minute |
| 15:59.56 | lardman | and my irc client's history is very short |
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| 16:01.13 | eleftherios | is this the right place to ask questions about Nokia N810? |
| 16:01.15 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Interesting |
| 16:01.21 | lardman | eleftherios: yes |
| 16:01.22 | Cptnodegard | this thing really pwns... nned to allow for bigger screens though |
| 16:01.22 | Blafasel | Does it really work? |
| 16:01.26 | Cptnodegard | yes it works |
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| 16:01.56 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Using a N800 or N810? |
| 16:02.01 | Cptnodegard | all you need is the hid file sent to your phone (since then it saves it where it belongs automatically) |
| 16:02.04 | Cptnodegard | n800 |
| 16:02.17 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/canola-remote.jpg |
| 16:02.30 | eleftherios | Is there a (usb?) GSM module that supports voice so that I could hook it to an N810 and make calls from it too? (Not talking about VoIP). If there is such hardware, I'm sure drivers could be written. Thoughts? |
| 16:03.10 | Cptnodegard | use phonlink to pair it with your phone instead |
| 16:03.16 | Cptnodegard | eleftherios |
| 16:03.28 | Cptnodegard | then you can text/call with the n810 through your phone |
| 16:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | eleftherios, what's the point? |
| 16:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | That's what phonelink is for. |
| 16:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 16:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 16:03.55 | GeneralAntilles | learns to read |
| 16:04.00 | eleftherios | I don't want to have a phone too |
| 16:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | Listen to what Cptnodegard is saying, damnit! |
| 16:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | a USB GSM modem is gonna be incredibly clunky with the N810. |
| 16:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta have the stand open |
| 16:04.34 | Cptnodegard | a good phone is very useful with an IT |
| 16:04.55 | Cptnodegard | both for internet connection, camera, call/sms, and now apparently remote contorlling canola |
| 16:05.21 | Cptnodegard | [18:04] <GeneralAntilles> a USB GSM modem is gonna be incredibly clunky with the N810. <- not to mentio you'd eithe rhave to remove the stand or have it open because of th elocation of the usb |
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| 16:06.14 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said. :D |
| 16:06.14 | eleftherios | Ok, these thoughts are welcome but the questions remains. One could take a GSM modem that supports voice, write a driver, connect it to a N810 and make calls, right? |
| 16:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | invites Cptnodegard into the Lern2Reed club. :P |
| 16:06.35 | eleftherios | s/questions/question |
| 16:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 16:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | But I fail to see the point. |
| 16:06.56 | rm_you | eleftherios: you'd probably need to write the calling program too... :/ |
| 16:06.57 | Cptnodegard | lol just saw it |
| 16:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | A $50 Bluetooth phone that supports the correct profiles would be much more useful. |
| 16:07.13 | eleftherios | rm_you: yes |
| 16:07.26 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And have it's own battery! |
| 16:07.36 | Cptnodegard | get a tiny bt phone, put it in a plastic bag and eat it |
| 16:07.38 | Cptnodegard | :) |
| 16:07.46 | rm_you | lol |
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| 16:07.59 | GeneralAntilles | Now's your chance, rm_you! |
| 16:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | rofl, Cptnodegard. |
| 16:08.14 | eleftherios | GeneralAntilles: sometimes the world is going forward because there are people who see it in a much different way than the rest 99.9999% do |
| 16:08.32 | GeneralAntilles | This is not one of those "sometimes". ;) |
| 16:08.50 | rm_you | pfft, that would be a waste of my time... the n800 is *not* a phone, and I may as well just carry a phone as a gsm module the size of a phone that is harder to use |
| 16:09.06 | eleftherios | But please allow me to entairtain the thought :-) |
| 16:09.20 | rm_you | when they actually put a gsm module IN it, then i'll be happy to use it as a phone :P |
| 16:09.37 | rm_you | eleftherios: we see your point... we just refute it :P |
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| 16:10.17 | eleftherios | my point was whether pairing N810 with an external GSM module that supports voice would work. |
| 16:10.36 | eleftherios | It probably will. Thank you very much. :-) |
| 16:10.37 | rm_you | it would... and I have one right now... it's called a motorola v360 :P |
| 16:10.49 | rm_you | it just happens to already be a phone :P |
| 16:10.56 | eleftherios | Nice, enjoy it. |
| 16:11.29 | Cptnodegard | now, next point on the agenda: usb humping dog compatability |
| 16:11.36 | rm_you | actually, if you really want to do that, it would probably be cheaper and easier just to buy a phone and take the screen/keypad off |
| 16:11.55 | rm_you | then you'd have a BT GSM module, essentially |
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| 16:13.13 | Cptnodegard | seriousely, i want a usb humping dog to hump when i get mail |
| 16:13.17 | GeneralAntilles | Does the humping dog run Linux? |
| 16:14.06 | eleftherios | rm_you: or something like this http://www.sequoia.co.uk/eshop/browsedl.php?item=185 |
| 16:14.13 | Cptnodegard | run linux or run on linux? it just runs on the power form the usb port i guess, and it was a joke |
| 16:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.techonline.com/learning/livewebinar/206504284 |
| 16:14.56 | rm_you | eleftherios: yes... but that costs about 5x as much as a cheap BT phone :P |
| 16:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | was working on getting Linux on a dead raccoon a few weeks ago. |
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| 16:18.51 | Cptnodegard | how about training a squirrel to carry the BT phone for you? |
| 16:19.00 | Cptnodegard | or buy a e90 |
| 16:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | Or a humping dog. |
| 16:20.03 | GeneralAntilles | What about one of those monkeys that helps quadriplegics? He could hold the phone up to your ear so you don't even need an N810! |
| 16:20.38 | Cptnodegard | operate a tiny battery and usb port into the butt of the squirrel, make the on/off button buttcrack-controlled, plug in a usb huping dog, and train the squirrel to carry the phone and squeesh when the phone is ringing |
| 16:21.27 | GeneralAntilles | Be like Dr. Mephesto and give him 3 asses so you can have 3 lines! |
| 16:22.16 | Cptnodegard | so he can talk to himself and his wife while his squirrel is being humped to death by plastic minidogs |
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| 16:24.52 | ||cw | o_O |
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| 16:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | For anybody not familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18 |
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| 16:35.29 | Ikkakujyu | Does it have Linux drivers? |
| 16:37.41 | Cptnodegard | would think it only uses the power |
| 16:37.48 | Cptnodegard | but theres a popup on that guys screen |
| 16:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | XP is stupid |
| 16:38.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's just power. |
| 16:39.33 | Cptnodegard | maybe its that ms office paper clip... "excuise me, theres a dog humping youw USB port. do you want to: -join? - kill it? - eat it? - search for solutions on the internet?" |
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| 16:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's a "New Hardware Added" popup. |
| 16:41.20 | Cptnodegard | HARDware |
| 16:41.23 | Cptnodegard | muahahaha |
| 16:42.23 | sp3000 | so that's what the cool kids call it these days |
| 16:44.16 | Blafasel | I'm not sure if this crap is something for the cool kids. Or funny. |
| 16:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 16:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | Don't be a stinker. |
| 16:47.43 | Blafasel | *shrug* I hate dogs. I didn't even smirk looking at one single annoying lolcat. Not interesting. |
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| 16:54.48 | oilinki | GeneralAntilles: hoho, best part of the youtube video is that the usb-connector is blurred :) |
| 16:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 17:02.24 | lcuk2 | is the actual hardware any different for the wimax support? what say the chances that original 810 has all thats needed (easter egg) |
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| 17:05.07 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, zero. |
| 17:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | Less than zero |
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| 17:27.04 | GeneralAntilles | This is ridiculous. |
| 17:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | ssh works for about 24 hours |
| 17:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | stops working |
| 17:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | reinstall |
| 17:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | works for 24 hours again |
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| 18:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | When do we get version 4.1 for Bugzilla? :\ |
| 18:18.06 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: File a bug against bugzilla. That should reach the right person. |
| 18:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | Right-o |
| 18:18.22 | X-Fade | Or I will ask the guy tomorrow ;) |
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| 18:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | Field, anyway. |
| 18:20.16 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
| 18:20.45 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Got any bug for a non-released firmware version already? |
| 18:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | I wish. |
| 18:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | I figure some of the bugs we know have been fixed could at least have their targets set correctly. |
| 18:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | Any idea what Nokia's policy is regarding pre-release firmwares and bug reporting? |
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| 18:23.07 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 18:23.09 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I only get notice on the day it is released, so I really wouldn't know any schedule. |
| 18:24.05 | X-Fade | But the bugs guys does do some 'fixed in this version' bug hunting. |
| 18:24.56 | KotCzarny | hmm, chinook main repos mirror is ~3gb |
| 18:24.58 | KotCzarny | not bad |
| 18:24.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:34.18 | KotCzarny | http://imagechan.net/img/5223/Advertising/ |
| 18:34.19 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 18:36.54 | czr | KotCzarny :-) |
| 18:40.52 | KotCzarny | hi czr |
| 18:41.08 | czr | hey kot |
| 18:41.15 | czr | miau? |
| 18:41.22 | KotCzarny | anom, miau miau |
| 18:41.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:41.34 | czr | nom nom nom. i has the devicez. |
| 18:41.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:41.54 | czr | is battling with sbox. once again. |
| 18:42.04 | czr | I thought I'd never ever had to use it for anything again. |
| 18:42.16 | czr | proves just how little I know about anything, argh. |
| 18:42.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:42.58 | KotCzarny | sbox works for me |
| 18:43.00 | KotCzarny | quite nice |
| 18:43.10 | KotCzarny | it's easy to play with new targets |
| 18:43.18 | KotCzarny | and not to b0rk old ones in the process :) |
| 18:43.24 | czr | sbox for pre-EABI vendor-"supported" arm-board. doesn't relate to maemo in any way. |
| 18:43.35 | KotCzarny | debian.org ? |
| 18:43.47 | czr | hmm? no. has nothing to do with debian either. |
| 18:43.59 | KotCzarny | i mean they have sbox toolchains too |
| 18:44.02 | KotCzarny | for misc archs |
| 18:44.23 | czr | well, it's not the arch that is the problem. |
| 18:44.33 | KotCzarny | ok, i'm shutting up |
| 18:44.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:44.39 | czr | it's a problem in my head. can't really get sbox to play nice with me tonight. |
| 18:44.41 | KotCzarny | breakfast anyway :) |
| 18:44.49 | czr | heh, k, have fun. nom nom. |
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| 18:57.03 | rektide | that was _unexpected_ |
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| 19:39.20 | konttori | is Bundyo ever in here? |
| 19:39.31 | konttori | He is the guy behind midori browser port |
| 19:40.03 | konttori | I was testing it out today and I must confess that it's really nice browser. |
| 19:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | No, don't believe so |
| 19:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | unless he's in under another nick. |
| 19:40.56 | konttori | Which might be the case |
| 19:41.03 | konttori | Also this news was interesting: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=349 |
| 19:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, saw that yesterday. |
| 19:41.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested in seeing an updated MicroB. :D |
| 19:41.26 | konttori | however, fennec is not terribly fast in my opinion |
| 19:41.38 | konttori | updated MicroB is faster that fennec. |
| 19:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | So I'd figure. |
| 19:42.00 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 19:42.04 | KotCzarny | how faster? |
| 19:42.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:42.07 | konttori | Both in rendering the page and in scrolling the page |
| 19:42.20 | konttori | didn't measure. ... maybe 30% in rendering. |
| 19:42.22 | KotCzarny | how does it realte to fx3 ? |
| 19:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine MicroB in Diablo will scream. |
| 19:42.27 | KotCzarny | relate |
| 19:42.29 | konttori | scrolling is very smooth on microb |
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| 19:43.33 | konttori | anyway, fennec might turn out to be really good after they have had a bit of time to work on it. |
| 19:43.34 | lcuk2 | perks up |
| 19:43.52 | konttori | that blog announcement is from their first iteration, so it'll improve |
| 19:43.54 | KotCzarny | lcuk: rotated already? |
| 19:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | What's this about libgtkmozembed and kinetic scrolling I hear? ;) |
| 19:44.12 | lcuk2 | i didnt after you collapsed my hopes of a trouble free install |
| 19:44.26 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 19:44.31 | KotCzarny | i encouraged you to test |
| 19:44.36 | pupnik | libgtklobotomized? |
| 19:44.51 | KotCzarny | it would help me to determine if it's mine setup or a bug in patches |
| 19:44.52 | pupnik | lurry eyes.. |
| 19:44.58 | lcuk2 | i might have some time tonight to advance things, i was a bit lazy tired yesterday |
| 19:44.59 | GeneralAntilles | gives lcuk2 an adrenaline shot to the heart. |
| 19:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | You email Quim yet, lcuk2? :P |
| 19:45.15 | pupnik | KotCzarny: first tester likes xkbd. has problems on my n810 but i don't use vkbd anyway |
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| 19:45.32 | KotCzarny | xkbd or xvkbd ? |
| 19:45.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php?root=browser&view=rev&rev=2003 |
| 19:46.02 | fysa | new microb? |
| 19:46.24 | KotCzarny | those microbs! they're everythere! |
| 19:46.26 | lcuk2 | not yet gen, but then again i might not have to - it does seem pace has quickened recently (ie last couple of days) we have had lots of news and stuff |
| 19:46.28 | KotCzarny | everywhere |
| 19:46.39 | lcuk2 | and my heart didnt stop - gtk is sluggish :P |
| 19:47.18 | lcuk2 | (but, maybe things have changed here as well) |
| 19:47.43 | KotCzarny | i would like fully vfped os |
| 19:47.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | Getting MicroB up to speed will do a lot of good for the platform. |
| 19:48.08 | lcuk2 | i agree, it should be streamlined and slick |
| 19:48.29 | lcuk2 | its an internet device ffs - the internet lets it down |
| 19:48.38 | lcuk2 | crosses his fingers |
| 19:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'm very optimistic for Diablo |
| 19:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | Looking at the huge leaps in performance that have taken place with Gecko since the last time we had a MicroB update and the changelogs on garage. |
| 19:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | Leaves me feeling a bit giddy. |
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| 19:55.35 | fysa | when is diablo supposed to be released? |
| 19:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | Q2 2008 |
| 19:55.55 | fysa | I've heard that the WiMax N810 has in-place upgrading. |
| 19:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo feature |
| 19:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | SSU |
| 19:56.13 | fysa | but .. not full-on Diablo, it seems. |
| 19:56.13 | GeneralAntilles | Seamless Software Updates |
| 19:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | full-on? |
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| 19:59.15 | fysa | every time I read one of zerojay's posts I want to fucking puke on my own pants. |
| 19:59.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:59.32 | KotCzarny | so bad or so good? |
| 19:59.41 | fysa | :) |
| 20:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 20:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | fysa's got a case of the randoms today. |
| 20:02.28 | lcuk2 | "puke on my own pants" actually results in one result and that site was so awful it made me actually puke on my own tshirt |
| 20:02.40 | fysa | haha |
| 20:02.44 | fysa | a little bit, GeneralAntilles. |
| 20:03.02 | fysa | just general annoyance at his attitude in every post I've seen. |
| 20:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | Which is that? |
| 20:03.21 | lcuk2 | fysa, you cant just drop new phrases into the lexicolon without telling us what they mean |
| 20:03.34 | KotCzarny | why not? |
| 20:03.36 | KotCzarny | it's irc |
| 20:03.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay's been around for a while, the 'attitude' is a recent development |
| 20:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | I can hardly blame him, though. |
| 20:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | He's Canadian and heavily involved tablet user |
| 20:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | he's had pretty much the worst of all Nokia has to offer. :P |
| 20:05.46 | fysa | I'm just tired of him shitting all over my favorite threads. Saying this shouldn't be done/can't be done/not worth trying. |
| 20:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 20:05.59 | KotCzarny | yah |
| 20:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | can't say that I've noticed. |
| 20:06.09 | KotCzarny | i dislike negative attitudes too |
| 20:06.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of all the whiners. :P |
| 20:06.25 | KotCzarny | if it's broken, fix it, or shut up |
| 20:06.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:06.28 | lcuk2 | thinks things CAN be done |
| 20:06.33 | fysa | right |
| 20:06.44 | fysa | anyway. |
| 20:06.57 | fysa | back to poking around libgtkmozembed |
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| 20:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | ITT has mostly just become a hellhole filled with idiots and Apple fans. <_< |
| 20:09.20 | rm_you | heh |
| 20:09.23 | oob | good morning, Nokia nerds |
| 20:09.25 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: apple fans? :P |
| 20:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | s/Apple/iPhone and iTouch/ |
| 20:09.44 | rm_you | looks at GeneralAntilles |
| 20:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | I like their OS |
| 20:09.54 | rm_you | looks at GeneralAntilles and his Mac |
| 20:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm increasingly tired of their mobile stuff. |
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| 20:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | In particularly, I'm increasingly tired of the neverend comparison threads. |
| 20:10.26 | rm_you | i don't think things CAN'T be done.. |
| 20:10.34 | lcuk2 | so GeneralAntilles, what phone have you got? |
| 20:10.35 | rm_you | i just think certain things "shouldnt" be done |
| 20:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | s/neverend/neverending/ |
| 20:10.36 | konttori | oh man. numty physics is so cool |
| 20:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | Needs to give you a chance to setup the level before dropping the ball. |
| 20:10.54 | lcuk2 | hand drawn physics on 810? |
| 20:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 20:12.31 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: long standing users are getting *very* annoyed at the simple things they /can't/ fix cos Nokia's "precious" UI is closed and wrapped up in a spec-led chastity belt. |
| 20:12.52 | lcuk2 | konttori, link please if its a physics game for 8x0? |
| 20:13.10 | Jaffa | 's been playing with "Phun" on his desktop. My 2 year-old loves it :-) |
| 20:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | Well put, Jaffa. |
| 20:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, there's a thread on ITT |
| 20:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's on garage. |
| 20:13.25 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3770/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb |
| 20:13.27 | KotCzarny | jaffa: how about alternatives? |
| 20:13.39 | lcuk2 | good, ive seen it for a few devices and have played with numerous examples but not with stylus :) |
| 20:13.41 | konttori | what's phun? |
| 20:13.54 | lcuk2 | ty for link |
| 20:14.09 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: some of the things you end up replacing almost all of Hildon for, just for a small change to one bit |
| 20:14.22 | lcuk2 | ie keyboard tweaks |
| 20:14.24 | KotCzarny | jaffa: not a problem with me |
| 20:14.28 | Jaffa | konttori: Physics gameshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5g9VS0ENM |
| 20:14.35 | KotCzarny | as long things work as i want :) |
| 20:14.42 | fysa | anyone tried building microb from svn lately? |
| 20:14.43 | fysa | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
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| 20:14.55 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: Yes, and if they don't do what you want? What do you do then? |
| 20:15.05 | KotCzarny | jaffa: the whole point of openness is that you can fix/replace things |
| 20:15.18 | KotCzarny | if you can't then it's not really open |
| 20:15.23 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: Exactly. But random bits of ITOS aren't open. |
| 20:15.28 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 20:15.38 | KotCzarny | that's why it's so good sdk is free |
| 20:15.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:16.12 | Jaffa | So "fix them or shut up" aren't the two only options. There's a third option: keep bitching about the closedness until they're opened or someone says "No, we're keeping these closed for reasons X, Y & Z" |
| 20:16.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:16.48 | KotCzarny | but it's different bitching when not pursuing 1 and 2 first |
| 20:16.55 | fysa | I squint at my N800 really hard so it knows I mean business, then it opens up and we have a nice talk. |
| 20:16.55 | konttori | oh man. phun looks like fun! |
| 20:17.15 | lcuk2 | fysa, your 800 cant really open up without a screwdriver |
| 20:17.27 | lcuk2 | looks menacingly at his 810 and the keyboard slideeeeeeeeees |
| 20:17.33 | fysa | hah |
| 20:17.49 | lcuk | finally, bt keyboard kicked in |
| 20:17.54 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 20:17.56 | lcuk | right, phsics fun |
| 20:17.56 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 20:17.57 | pupnik | ``yo |
| 20:18.04 | lcuk2 | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3770/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb |
| 20:18.22 | lcuk2 | tap |
| 20:18.25 | lcuk2 | DAMN |
| 20:18.28 | lcuk2 | tap hold |
| 20:18.34 | lcuk2 | ;) |
| 20:18.37 | KotCzarny | you got.. tapped! |
| 20:18.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:18.48 | lcuk2 | i hate tap and hold |
| 20:19.00 | Jaffa | It's so slow when you know what you want |
| 20:19.27 | lcuk2 | in these kind of environments (like browser or xchat) i would want to double tap to open things |
| 20:19.43 | lcuk2 | browser would work because it takes ages to do action of single click |
| 20:21.01 | jott | this numpty is a nice find |
| 20:22.05 | fysa | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12315.html |
| 20:22.26 | lcuk2 | ive seen many like it and had something similar in mind :) glad someone beat me to it |
| 20:22.39 | pupnik | phun is like legos for 2008 |
| 20:22.51 | pupnik | wish i were 8 yrs old now |
| 20:23.06 | jott | lcuk2: i also had something similar in mind :) |
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| 20:23.16 | lcuk2 | phun.org is also a great website :) |
| 20:23.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:23.53 | lcuk2 | pupnik, no you don't - at your age (unless you're about 9) you will have more money and more expensive toys |
| 20:24.18 | fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gta33XgIwGA |
| 20:24.19 | KotCzarny | leggo my eggo |
| 20:24.25 | fysa | Crayon Physics 2 (?) or Deluxe? |
| 20:24.35 | derf | When I was 8, I had a lot more time. |
| 20:24.47 | derf | Which was worth a lot of money, and certainly more than any expensive toys. |
| 20:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | That video is very exciting . . . you solve all the puzzles exactly the same way. <_< |
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| 20:26.22 | KotCzarny | derf: you talk about child labour! |
| 20:26.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:26.32 | lcuk2 | derf :) ok you're right. ok - whos gonna build a maemo compatible time machine |
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| 20:31.27 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 20:31.52 | jobu | i'm trying to run my n800 os2008 off external mmc and cloning the system. is "tar: cannot create directory './dev': Input/output error" normal? |
| 20:32.11 | KotCzarny | are you using vfat? |
| 20:32.15 | jobu | ext2 |
| 20:32.18 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:32.30 | KotCzarny | dmesg shows any errors? |
| 20:32.32 | jobu | no other errors, going reboot |
| 20:33.09 | jobu | not familiar with reading output from dmesg |
| 20:33.24 | lcuk2 | EXCELLENT - numty is a workable fun touch app :) |
| 20:33.25 | KotCzarny | anything saying about badblocks |
| 20:33.31 | KotCzarny | or read-only filesystem |
| 20:33.35 | KotCzarny | ? |
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| 20:34.55 | czr | mount -owo / |
| 20:35.12 | czr | +,remount |
| 20:35.14 | dtahtbot | czr: Error: ",remount" is not a valid command. |
| 20:35.30 | czr | silly little bot |
| 20:35.53 | czr | dtahtbot, fsck /proc/self |
| 20:35.54 | dtahtbot | czr: Error: "fsck" is not a valid command. |
| 20:35.59 | jobu | doh, there are ext2-fs errors read_inode_bitmap |
| 20:36.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:36.18 | KotCzarny | now you know |
| 20:36.22 | KotCzarny | umount |
| 20:36.23 | KotCzarny | fsck |
| 20:36.29 | czr | cross-fingers. |
| 20:36.35 | KotCzarny | if fixed, remount and continue |
| 20:36.41 | czr | get your backups out :-) |
| 20:36.50 | KotCzarny | that too |
| 20:36.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:37.35 | jobu | well it was just created |
| 20:37.42 | jobu | so no data loss XD |
| 20:38.26 | jobu | is there an easy way to wipe out a partition? |
| 20:38.30 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:38.32 | KotCzarny | mkfs |
| 20:38.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:38.46 | KotCzarny | but explain 'wipe out' |
| 20:38.46 | jobu | k |
| 20:39.01 | jobu | ya, like format quick |
| 20:39.05 | KotCzarny | also, you should do mkfs with badblocks checking on |
| 20:39.12 | KotCzarny | really |
| 20:39.17 | jobu | what's the flag on that? |
| 20:39.20 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:39.21 | KotCzarny | -c ? |
| 20:39.39 | czr | it will probably take ages |
| 20:39.51 | KotCzarny | but it's worth it |
| 20:39.55 | czr | although ext takes ages with pretty much anything |
| 20:40.04 | KotCzarny | you don't want to scream later |
| 20:40.08 | jobu | would it be faster mke2fs then run fsck? |
| 20:40.11 | KotCzarny | when you get inode badblocks |
| 20:40.14 | czr | I made the mistake today of trying to do a 3T ext3 on a system which was doing raid5 background rebuild at the same time -> bad mistake. |
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| 20:47.06 | Mousey | help! |
| 20:47.10 | Mousey | i made a laughable mistake |
| 20:47.17 | KotCzarny | throws a blade |
| 20:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | laughs at Mousey. |
| 20:47.30 | KotCzarny | laughs |
| 20:47.37 | Mousey | i made /usr/share a link to /media/mmc2/u00/usr/share |
| 20:47.43 | Mousey | and now it won't boot =( |
| 20:47.48 | Mousey | i just wanted more drive space on /! |
| 20:47.50 | Mousey | cries |
| 20:47.52 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 20:47.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:48.06 | KotCzarny | usb-rescue mode? |
| 20:48.06 | Mousey | well |
| 20:48.09 | Mousey | ooh |
| 20:48.09 | hircus | that does sound quite bad |
| 20:48.11 | Mousey | how do i do that? |
| 20:48.15 | Mousey | i can fix it if i could mount it |
| 20:48.20 | KotCzarny | look for fanoush initfs |
| 20:48.26 | Mousey | k |
| 20:48.27 | Mousey | ty |
| 20:48.46 | hircus | doesn't the FHS require that you can bring up the OS without using /usr? (though not sure I want to try that on my Linux box) |
| 20:48.58 | KotCzarny | hircus: watchdog |
| 20:49.11 | KotCzarny | ie. os boots, but watchdog kills it |
| 20:49.16 | hircus | KotCzarny: aha. |
| 20:49.23 | Mousey | i see |
| 20:49.24 | pupnik | it might be safer to link individual directories under /usr/share Mousey |
| 20:49.33 | hircus | so .. using the flasher to turn off the watchdog would work |
| 20:49.34 | Mousey | pupnik: one thing at a time =( |
| 20:49.37 | KotCzarny | or just move whole os to mmc |
| 20:49.37 | Mousey | pupnik: thx tho |
| 20:49.42 | Mousey | ...there's a watchdog huh |
| 20:50.07 | hircus | I remembered having the watchdog tripping me up. auto-reboots all the time; I sent the device for repair, they could not fix it, and was on the point of issuing me a replacmeent when I figured it out |
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| 20:50.31 | hircus | Mousey: are you using Canola perchance? |
| 20:50.36 | jobu | anyone get os2008 n800 booting off mmc? |
| 20:50.37 | Mousey | hircus: canola2? |
| 20:50.47 | hircus | I just symlinked Canola's Youtube directory to .. |
| 20:50.49 | hircus | yes, Canola2 |
| 20:50.49 | KotCzarny | canola2 is very very nice |
| 20:50.57 | KotCzarny | but has some bugs still |
| 20:51.03 | Mousey | i'm a debian fan |
| 20:51.06 | KotCzarny | does canola devs come to maemo # ? |
| 20:51.13 | Mousey | so i'm constantly loading crap on |
| 20:51.14 | hircus | I symlink the .canola2/youtube/video (or whatever it's called) dir to my MMC card, otherwise it runs out of space |
| 20:51.17 | Mousey | and running out of space |
| 20:51.18 | Mousey | wah |
| 20:51.31 | Mousey | hircus: that was happening to me |
| 20:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, do you have fanoush's initfs installed? |
| 20:51.37 | Mousey | no =( |
| 20:51.45 | Mousey | am i gonna have a chicken and egg problem? |
| 20:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | jobu, way back in November. :P |
| 20:52.04 | hircus | Mousey: so symlink that instead. Youtube videos are huge, moving /usr/share won't buy you much time |
| 20:52.19 | KotCzarny | mousey: nope |
| 20:52.19 | hircus | from a packager's point of view I must say I prefer RPM still |
| 20:52.27 | KotCzarny | fanoush initfs is nice |
| 20:52.34 | Mousey | packing deb's is a pain |
| 20:52.42 | hircus | though -- there was a Debian package-building tool that can be configured with only one spec file, RPM-style |
| 20:52.47 | Mousey | but i prefer it over rpm anyday just for apt and the repo system |
| 20:53.13 | Mousey | (and don't say yum, cuz yuck) |
| 20:53.26 | lcuk2 | msi? |
| 20:53.30 | lcuk2 | ;) |
| 20:53.31 | hircus | ah. well, I'm happy with the rpm/yum combo. multilib is a timesaver, esp. since the last time I used a .Deb-based system, OpenOffice was a 386-only app |
| 20:53.35 | KotCzarny | .tgz! |
| 20:53.37 | hircus | msi :) |
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| 20:53.46 | hircus | Mousey: point taken. yum was slow until one year ago or so |
| 20:54.01 | hircus | have you tried the SUSE equivalents, though? yikes |
| 20:54.02 | Mousey | it's still garbage. you can't simultaneously install and uninstall packages |
| 20:54.11 | Mousey | you have to have separate commands for each |
| 20:54.19 | Mousey | and god help you if your rpm DB gets hoarked |
| 20:54.24 | hircus | Mousey: ah. but that's just an interface problem. |
| 20:54.38 | hircus | oh yes, the db thing is horrid. what does dpkg use as its backend? curious |
| 20:54.52 | Mousey | you know, i'm not really sure |
| 20:54.52 | rm_you | dpkg can get *&@#ed too, tho |
| 20:54.55 | rm_you | it's just harder |
| 20:54.56 | Mousey | gz'd txt files i think |
| 20:55.00 | rm_you | yeah |
| 20:55.12 | hircus | not sure what RPM uses right now (I could check when I get to my other machine). have not had a corruption issue for ages |
| 20:55.13 | KotCzarny | tgz ftw! |
| 20:55.20 | Mousey | rpm uses berkleydb |
| 20:55.21 | lcuk2 | what update mechanism is the 8x0 gonna have? is it still .deb based but with some kind of auto updater? |
| 20:55.23 | rm_you | and if they get corrupted (most common problem for me was running out of disk space and they get written over by 0) |
| 20:55.29 | hircus | heh. even Sun is moving to a RPM/DEB-style packaging system :) |
| 20:55.33 | hircus | now that Ian Murdock is there |
| 20:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's not really an apt change |
| 20:55.48 | Mousey | packaging systems ftw! |
| 20:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's mostly a change in how Nokia deploys its update. |
| 20:56.01 | rm_you | i do love apt |
| 20:56.06 | hircus | rm_you: one'd think apt will refuse to start the upgrade process if that will take too much space |
| 20:56.07 | lcuk2 | yer i know, but it has automatic updating for user apps as well |
| 20:56.08 | rm_you | though emerge/portage is nice too |
| 20:56.09 | GeneralAntilles | So, it'll be more like how you update the 3rd party stuff. |
| 20:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | The operating-system meta-package will probably end up in User/ |
| 20:56.34 | rm_you | it may |
| 20:56.37 | lcuk2 | is it just a deamon running to check for updates, but it still uses apt or whatever in the background |
| 20:56.37 | rm_you | but other things happen |
| 20:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Presumably, lcuk2. |
| 20:56.49 | rm_you | mostly this happens to me on embedded systems or things running on USB sticks |
| 20:57.10 | lcuk2 | :) does sound reasonable, you cannot rebuild a packaging system and have it "perfect" in a couple of months ;) |
| 20:57.10 | rm_you | like the ubuntu updater? |
| 20:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | Probably |
| 20:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | Konttori's interview seems to have the best specifics. |
| 20:57.47 | rm_you | "Sir, we've solved the automatic updates dilemma." "How?!" "We used cron..." |
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| 20:58.25 | lcuk2 | cron? that unreliable pile of pop - i demand 9 9's reliability - hire an intern to monitor the updates |
| 20:58.43 | oob | nice lcuk2 |
| 20:58.45 | lcuk2 | (and make sure shes cute) |
| 20:58.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:59.32 | rm_you | i would actually care about cute less than i'd want her to know WTF she was doing so she didn't break my system... does that say anything about my priorities? >_> |
| 20:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:00.06 | lcuk2 | ok, ill monitor her closely |
| 21:00.08 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | What if she's cute and knowledgeable? |
| 21:00.12 | rm_you | llol |
| 21:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | The perfect combination. |
| 21:00.25 | rm_you | cute + knowledgable == win |
| 21:00.30 | lcuk2 | cute, knowledgable, unattached - pick any two |
| 21:00.32 | KotCzarny | wrong |
| 21:00.37 | KotCzarny | she can outsmart you |
| 21:00.39 | KotCzarny | what then? |
| 21:00.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:00.41 | rm_you | luck2: usually >_> |
| 21:00.55 | rm_you | *lcuk2 |
| 21:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | Sadly. :( |
| 21:01.05 | KotCzarny | lcuk: throw in 'psychotic' |
| 21:01.14 | lcuk | good point |
| 21:01.25 | lcuk | gahhh this thing wants me to type mumbo jumbo brb |
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| 21:01.39 | lcuk | thats better |
| 21:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | You register your alts yet? :P |
| 21:02.01 | kenne | KotCzarny, yes |
| 21:02.05 | lcuk | lol what do you think.. |
| 21:02.09 | KotCzarny | kenne: huh? |
| 21:02.14 | kenne | KotCzarny, but there is a #canola channel as well |
| 21:02.19 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 21:02.25 | lcuk | would rather close and reopen than have to remember some magic string |
| 21:02.25 | kenne | "<KotCzarny> does canola devs come to maemo # ?" |
| 21:02.28 | KotCzarny | kenne: what nicks should i watch for? |
| 21:02.33 | lcuk | god, what does that say about my console abilities ;) |
| 21:02.39 | kenne | go to #canola, that is easier |
| 21:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.42 | kenne | everyone is there |
| 21:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | FAIL FAIL FAIL |
| 21:03.17 | lcuk | void liqbook_read(char *bookname,int fontsize) not quite, i just save my typing for important stuff :P |
| 21:03.26 | oob | lcuk , rm_you - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20031023 |
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| 21:04.02 | KotCzarny | that was rude |
| 21:04.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.07 | KotCzarny | milfs are hot |
| 21:04.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:04.10 | rm_you | heh |
| 21:04.11 | lcuk | :O double lol - at old uf and the strip itself |
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| 21:17.10 | lcuk | engages lurker mode and goes playing |
| 21:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | watches his marines get sodomized by lcuk's lurker. |
| 21:18.19 | lcuk | i would never put the companion cube up there |
| 21:18.31 | KotCzarny | what's companion cube? |
| 21:18.51 | lcuk | ask google :) |
| 21:19.02 | KotCzarny | i'm afraid |
| 21:19.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:19.31 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(video_game) |
| 21:19.49 | lcuk | don't be :) its from portal - the single best time waster ever to be released |
| 21:19.52 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqQISNKWZSA |
| 21:20.10 | KotCzarny | this one? |
| 21:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 21:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | Portal fails at being a time waster |
| 21:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | way to short for that. :P |
| 21:20.58 | lcuk | short only if you think tetris is over because you have seen all the pieces |
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| 21:21.38 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:21.52 | lcuk | i am in need of some down time (i basically havent stopped playing linux since christmas) |
| 21:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | The advanced levels helped |
| 21:22.08 | GeneralAntilles | But, still, they need a community puzzle pack or something. |
| 21:22.14 | lcuk | ^^^ and yes, thats the best way to describe it |
| 21:22.22 | lcuk | they have |
| 21:22.34 | lcuk | theres many portal maps available in many places |
| 21:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | OK, they need a community puzzle pack for us stupid smucks with 360s. :P |
| 21:22.54 | lcuk | you need to get a proper computer then :P |
| 21:23.43 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 21:24.01 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | Armed with what? |
| 21:24.18 | lcuk | thankfully they are k i think, police might have also caught them |
| 21:24.19 | GeneralAntilles | Knives? |
| 21:24.27 | lcuk | bang sticks :( |
| 21:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | wont comment on the UK's stupid legislation. |
| 21:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | Glad she's OK. |
| 21:24.58 | lcuk | she stopped working nights because of this |
| 21:27.18 | Jaffa | Portal's the best game ever, but as GA says: too short. I finished it in a weekend and want *more* |
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| 21:27.52 | lcuk | ep 3 = gordon and a portal gun |
| 21:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully there are real time wasters like Oblivion around. |
| 21:27.55 | lcuk | hopefully |
| 21:28.06 | lcuk | maemo is a decent game |
| 21:28.22 | Jaffa | bought the Orange Box for HL2 and Portal, and hasn't played much HL2 |
| 21:28.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, HL2 just isn't very exciting. |
| 21:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Tactical shooters have kinda ruined the whole Quake-like FPS for me. |
| 21:29.09 | KotCzarny | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/nov07/rubik.jpg |
| 21:29.10 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:29.58 | lcuk | i actually prefer the generic cube over cc if i hadnt have found out about 810 in december i was gonna make one over xmas |
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| 21:30.11 | lcuk | is ashamed to say that lol |
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| 21:31.53 | KotCzarny | http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_newgd/tattoo_niki_both-legs.jpg |
| 21:31.54 | KotCzarny | lol2 |
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| 21:50.45 | fysa | TF2 is a nice middle-ground. |
| 21:55.26 | pupnik | hl2 had some fantastic atmosphere |
| 21:55.43 | KotCzarny | ufo! |
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| 21:55.58 | pupnik | what |
| 21:56.03 | KotCzarny | atmosphere ;) |
| 21:56.09 | KotCzarny | when i first went to mars |
| 21:56.12 | pupnik | x-com? |
| 21:56.16 | KotCzarny | i thought i have fallen asleep |
| 21:56.21 | KotCzarny | it was surreal |
| 21:56.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:56.23 | pupnik | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 21:56.24 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 21:56.27 | KotCzarny | first part |
| 21:56.42 | KotCzarny | i know it only as 'ufo' |
| 21:56.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:56.46 | pupnik | ohhh HL1 |
| 21:56.46 | jobu | ufo defense? |
| 21:56.56 | KotCzarny | on amiga |
| 21:56.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:57.00 | jobu | oh |
| 21:57.07 | KotCzarny | luckily i had 2.5mb already |
| 21:57.15 | KotCzarny | so less dj'ing |
| 21:57.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 21:59.19 | jobu | bleh, still can't seem to get booting off mmc to work |
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| 21:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | TF2 is boring. |
| 22:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | I miss Red Orchestra |
| 22:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | Now that was one hell of an FPS. |
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| 22:02.48 | Mikho | where did it go? |
| 22:12.30 | pupnik | so anyone tryp numpty physics yet? |
| 22:13.10 | Jaffa | has had a quick play |
| 22:16.52 | Blafasel | Hmm.. I own TF2 and never even installed it yet. |
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| 22:19.02 | Navi | :o |
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| 22:40.33 | lcuk | in the vmware image i have a console window which i open to do building from. its called "maemo scratchbox environment". now every time i open this it opens a xephyr window which i do not want and have to close every time. how do i remove it? |
| 22:40.50 | lcuk | (but keep the console) |
| 22:41.22 | KotCzarny | copy whole scratchbox dir to your linux somewhere and run gfrom there? |
| 22:41.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:41.37 | lcuk | ok - where do i copy it on my live cd? |
| 22:41.39 | lcuk | ;) |
| 22:41.56 | KotCzarny | mount hdd in live cd |
| 22:42.12 | KotCzarny | if you don't have hdd usb stick will do too |
| 22:42.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:42.42 | KotCzarny | or even n8x0 connected via usb cable ;) |
| 22:42.48 | KotCzarny | assuming you have ext2/3 partition |
| 22:42.54 | lcuk | but thats a bit extreme, i am kinda comfortable running in vmware, its lower resolution than i would like and it lags a bit, but the gameplay is fine |
| 22:43.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:43.13 | megabyte405 | lcuk: the icon on the desktop goes to a script, just look in the script |
| 22:43.15 | KotCzarny | i have never used vmware |
| 22:43.22 | megabyte405 | run something like /scratchbox/sb-login |
| 22:43.29 | megabyte405 | the script is in ~/scripts |
| 22:43.34 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 22:43.47 | crashanddie | /scratchbox/login is enough thank you |
| 22:43.53 | megabyte405 | KotCzarny: this is the maemo sdk vmware image - xubuntu with scratchbox and goodies installed |
| 22:44.10 | megabyte405 | crashanddie: couldn't remember offhand, just saw the q on my way out |
| 22:44.19 | lcuk | ty megabyte405 :) |
| 22:44.29 | megabyte405 | lcuk: np! |
| 22:44.30 | KotCzarny | megabyte: but i think scratchbox tree can work between systems |
| 22:44.33 | crashanddie | lcuk, create a new launcher, command: /scratchbox/login and check "launch in console" or something alike |
| 22:45.11 | megabyte405 | KotCzarny: if you like to keep your sanity, not really. Scratchbox requires some weird tricks when installing |
| 22:45.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:45.24 | KotCzarny | maybe, i just ran the script |
| 22:45.32 | megabyte405 | to be honest, I've given up and just use the vmware, it's easiest that way |
| 22:45.35 | megabyte405 | that too |
| 22:45.36 | KotCzarny | and i have working /mnt/sda7/scratchbox dir |
| 22:45.39 | megabyte405 | later all |
| 22:45.50 | crashanddie | my scratchbox is mounted on lfs, so i have the same deving environment everywhere I go, even over the internet, lfs through an ssh connection |
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| 22:46.36 | KotCzarny | as long qemu doesn't complain about host libs it's ok |
| 22:46.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:46.43 | lcuk | BRUTAL! thanks all :) |
| 22:46.53 | KotCzarny | who? |
| 22:46.54 | KotCzarny | me? |
| 22:46.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:47.26 | NullM0dem | :-) is this the right place for n800 / n810 hacking? |
| 22:47.39 | KotCzarny | could be |
| 22:47.39 | crashanddie | NullM0dem, you think ? :P |
| 22:47.47 | NullM0dem | heh |
| 22:47.49 | KotCzarny | trolls be here too |
| 22:47.50 | NullM0dem | just excited |
| 22:47.51 | ds3 | anyone try running "blueproximity"? |
| 22:47.52 | KotCzarny | so beware |
| 22:47.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:48.11 | crashanddie | KotCzarny, noooo, don't warn 'em aliens, they be dangerous |
| 22:48.14 | NullM0dem | getting ready to grab an n810 soon |
| 22:48.23 | KotCzarny | get n800 |
| 22:48.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:48.28 | crashanddie | NullM0dem, sweet :) |
| 22:48.31 | NullM0dem | i get them all :) |
| 22:48.32 | KotCzarny | 810 is inferior to 800 |
| 22:48.35 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 22:48.41 | KotCzarny | then get 810 wimax enhanced |
| 22:48.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:48.47 | NullM0dem | I just discoverd them |
| 22:48.49 | crashanddie | I got 'em both too :) |
| 22:49.22 | NullM0dem | 800 rules over 810? |
| 22:49.27 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:49.32 | crashanddie | I'm not convinced |
| 22:49.32 | KotCzarny | but it depends on your views |
| 22:49.34 | KotCzarny | and needs |
| 22:49.37 | crashanddie | exactly |
| 22:49.46 | KotCzarny | i prefer 2 full size sd slots |
| 22:49.47 | crashanddie | but they're pretty equivalent |
| 22:49.47 | ds3 | and 790 rules over 800 ;) |
| 22:49.53 | NullM0dem | well i just want an internet tablet mp3 player/ that is hackable |
| 22:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, 790! |
| 22:50.16 | crashanddie | NullM0dem, if you don't need the GPS and keyboard, take the n800 |
| 22:50.19 | NullM0dem | im going to be buying a ts-7800 to use as a medi aserver |
| 22:50.32 | NullM0dem | ts-7800 is an arm based board |
| 22:50.36 | KotCzarny | and if you don't need chic look of n810 |
| 22:50.38 | KotCzarny | that is |
| 22:50.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:50.41 | NullM0dem | ha |
| 22:50.57 | crashanddie | yeah, the n810's metal jacket is pretty sexy |
| 22:50.58 | KotCzarny | that's the only thing i miss from 810 |
| 22:50.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.00 | NullM0dem | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 |
| 22:51.19 | crashanddie | though |
| 22:51.20 | crashanddie | I have to admit |
| 22:51.22 | NullM0dem | that baord will be a server in the home and i plan on just creating a webinterface for the n800 |
| 22:51.33 | crashanddie | it gets scratched pretty fast and doesn't handle greasy fingers well |
| 22:51.47 | NullM0dem | most haldhelds wont |
| 22:51.47 | KotCzarny | nullm0dem: mmpd ? |
| 22:51.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.50 | NullM0dem | yes |
| 22:51.57 | KotCzarny | then there's a client already |
| 22:51.59 | KotCzarny | mmpc |
| 22:52.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:52.03 | NullM0dem | custom wrappers |
| 22:52.08 | NullM0dem | ill check it out |
| 22:52.08 | crashanddie | NullM0dem, I'm talking 'bout the metal case of the n810 compared to the n800's plastic one |
| 22:52.22 | NullM0dem | Im a slut for metal casings :-P |
| 22:52.25 | NullM0dem | heh |
| 22:52.30 | KotCzarny | metal slut |
| 22:52.31 | KotCzarny | :P |
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| 22:54.02 | NullM0dem | I still have 2 ipaq 3975 handhelds |
| 22:54.48 | GeneralAntilles | Eeeew WinMob :O |
| 22:54.54 | crashanddie | NullM0dem, if you don't look at the price tag, go for the n810, you won't regret it, if you don't need the extra features, go for the n800 |
| 22:55.15 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, if you actually want to have some storage on your device, get the N800. ;) |
| 22:55.30 | crashanddie | micro-sd 32Gig ftw |
| 22:55.30 | KotCzarny | crashanddie: depends on which extra features |
| 22:55.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:55.41 | NullM0dem | I could care less about GPs |
| 22:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | Those don't exist. |
| 22:55.48 | KotCzarny | 2x 32gig full size sd ftw! |
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| 22:55.55 | NullM0dem | i do like the hardware keyboard |
| 22:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, 16GB sub-SDs don't existt yet. |
| 22:55.56 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yet ! |
| 22:56.11 | KotCzarny | crashanddie: they will be more expensive |
| 22:56.13 | KotCzarny | much more |
| 22:56.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | By the time Micro is up to 32GB, real SD will be 64GB or 128GB. ;) |
| 22:56.55 | KotCzarny | unless something changes in the flash world |
| 22:57.03 | KotCzarny | but i doubt it |
| 22:57.16 | KotCzarny | though possibility exists |
| 22:57.21 | crashanddie | another question is, do you really need that much storage on an IT ? |
| 22:57.30 | KotCzarny | yes! |
| 22:57.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:57.44 | crashanddie | well, I dunno |
| 22:57.54 | KotCzarny | have you ever used maemo mapper? |
| 22:57.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:57.57 | crashanddie | I have a permanent 3G connection, and my servers at home are fine |
| 22:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | 50KB/sec doesn't really cut it for video streaming. ;) |
| 22:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, there's the network overhead |
| 22:58.51 | crashanddie | I get more than 50Kb/s thank you very much :) |
| 22:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | You can't play un-transcoded video over wifi. |
| 22:59.03 | GeneralAntilles | PAN? OK, 100KB/sec |
| 22:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Still only 800Kbps |
| 22:59.30 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 22:59.34 | crashanddie | where do you live ? |
| 22:59.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:59.39 | crashanddie | southern mongolia ? |
| 22:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | Those are bluetooth limits |
| 22:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | Not network limits. |
| 22:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | You're not getting 300KB/sec tethering to a Bluetooth phone with 3g. |
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| 22:59.59 | crashanddie | who said anything about bluetooth ? |
| 23:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | Most people with permanent 3g tether. |
| 23:00.16 | koyote | KB or Kb? |
| 23:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | KB |
| 23:00.24 | koyote | yall are using the two interchangeably. sloppy. |
| 23:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | My units are all correct. ;) |
| 23:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | No, I'm not. |
| 23:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | I'm using all of my units just fine, thanks. |
| 23:00.42 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 23:00.49 | koyote | now, streaming video cannot be done on 50KB/s |
| 23:00.51 | crashanddie | I never know which is which ? |
| 23:00.54 | crashanddie | care to enlighten me ? |
| 23:00.58 | KotCzarny | koyote: youtube? |
| 23:00.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:01.00 | koyote | crashanddie: B is byte b is bit |
| 23:01.05 | crashanddie | ok |
| 23:01.10 | koyote | I want to examine this statement |
| 23:01.14 | KotCzarny | byte == 8bits |
| 23:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | byte = 8 bits |
| 23:01.39 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.48 | MangoFusion | takes a byte |
| 23:01.48 | dieman_ | yay on modest being the email client in the future by default |
| 23:01.50 | koyote | I'm not sure I agree entirely here. |
| 23:01.52 | pupnik | i encode 400kB/s frequently |
| 23:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | At any sort of quality. |
| 23:02.03 | pupnik | kb/s |
| 23:02.04 | pupnik | argh |
| 23:02.08 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:02.10 | koyote | well, now, see. |
| 23:02.12 | crashanddie | 50KB/s is like less than youtube quality |
| 23:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | 400Kbps is really rather low for me. |
| 23:02.15 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 23:02.18 | koyote | it is an 8 fold difference |
| 23:02.21 | KotCzarny | k is for kilo |
| 23:02.22 | KotCzarny | not K |
| 23:02.29 | KotCzarny | ga is an idiot |
| 23:02.34 | crashanddie | hell, 50kB is 30kB less than youtube |
| 23:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | That's, say, 304Kbps for video and 96Kbps for audio. |
| 23:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | Way too low. |
| 23:02.51 | crashanddie | which by any standards, suck |
| 23:03.09 | dieman | does the n810 have bluetooth 2.0? |
| 23:03.10 | dieman | i forget |
| 23:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, dieman. |
| 23:03.21 | KotCzarny | yeah, broadband got renamed to 700kbit lately |
| 23:03.21 | koyote | video bitrates for youtube are generally around 260kbps |
| 23:03.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:03.24 | dieman | cool |
| 23:03.59 | pupnik | i can show you some 340kb/s nokia encodes i did in a minute |
| 23:04.05 | KotCzarny | anyway, why are you talking about gsm? |
| 23:04.14 | dieman | nice ~2mbps |
| 23:04.15 | KotCzarny | IT is going wimax |
| 23:04.26 | KotCzarny | and no gsm |
| 23:04.30 | dieman | i'm going to stick with GSM/HSDPA/LTE |
| 23:04.36 | dieman | and tether still |
| 23:04.46 | dieman | i go out to the netheregions from time to time |
| 23:04.55 | dieman | and dont want to have to pay for wimax + phone data |
| 23:05.16 | lcdd | would you say hsdpa with bluetooth is useless? |
| 23:05.16 | KotCzarny | sooner or later wimax will be cheap alternative |
| 23:05.18 | dieman | i wont be able to wimax at the cabin, for instance :) |
| 23:05.44 | KotCzarny | you can't do gsm in tubes/basement too |
| 23:05.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:05.48 | dieman | i already pay only $20 for EDGE service |
| 23:05.53 | dieman | heh, no tubes here |
| 23:05.57 | dieman | dont have that issue ;) |
| 23:06.20 | dieman | if we move into the basement at work we're going to get a AWS/PCS repeater installed |
| 23:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | No, lcdd. |
| 23:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | Especially not with a PAN device. |
| 23:06.46 | dieman | is there a huge benefit with PAN devices? |
| 23:06.58 | dieman | faster data rates? better power consumption? |
| 23:07.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:07.11 | KotCzarny | bt is power efficient by design |
| 23:07.14 | KotCzarny | more than wifi |
| 23:07.24 | KotCzarny | i don't know how efficient is wimax |
| 23:07.30 | dieman | [ie: over DUN] |
| 23:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | DUN is 50KB/sec, PAN is around 100-120KB/sec |
| 23:09.07 | KotCzarny | dun song: dun dun dun dundun duuuun dun dun DUN! |
| 23:09.49 | KotCzarny | (poor cliche of doom song) |
| 23:10.01 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 23:10.09 | crashanddie | thought it was the climax moment of a thriller |
| 23:10.40 | crashanddie | BT was never meant to be fast though |
| 23:10.54 | KotCzarny | someone should tell ga that he is an idiot and don't know SI |
| 23:11.09 | crashanddie | ga , |
| 23:11.10 | KotCzarny | and his units aren't ok, thank you |
| 23:11.10 | crashanddie | ? |
| 23:11.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:11.17 | KotCzarny | GeneralAntilles |
| 23:11.21 | crashanddie | oh |
| 23:12.03 | ds3 | hmmmm no one has tried blueproximity |
| 23:13.21 | crashanddie | ds3, don't like the concept |
| 23:13.38 | crashanddie | ds3, my phone doesn't always stays in my pocket when I go away |
| 23:13.52 | crashanddie | ds3, I'd be pissed if I left the phone downstairs and can't unlock the computer |
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| 23:14.30 | ds3 | crashanddie: another use is to have a bluetooth beacon at home and use that to key off for stuff like switching back to home WiFi or starting a sync |
| 23:14.39 | NullM0dem | ill never use a cell |
| 23:17.19 | crashanddie | ds3, I have a laptop, desktop, eeepc, n810... I don't even think my phone would support being connected to two of those at any given time, let alone all of them |
| 23:17.19 | lcuk | ds3, you dont need bt to do either of those things. by connecting to your home wan you run the sync. why add an extra layer? |
| 23:17.19 | crashanddie | lcuk, +1 |
| 23:17.19 | lcuk | -1 Troll |
| 23:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | slashdot whore! |
| 23:17.38 | crashanddie | [lcuk] has 0 points (+1, -1 troll) |
| 23:17.40 | lcuk | apple hussy |
| 23:17.56 | lcuk | :P |
| 23:18.33 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 23:18.35 | NullM0dem | in soviet russia...... |
| 23:18.40 | crashanddie | apple/cat pie |
| 23:19.44 | pupnik | applecat modem! |
| 23:21.43 | ds3 | lcuk: okay, how do I get it to switch to the home W-LAN when I am there? |
| 23:21.59 | lcuk | auto connect |
| 23:22.06 | crashanddie | auto-connect is the suck |
| 23:22.09 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:22.14 | KotCzarny | power syucker |
| 23:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | I like it! |
| 23:22.16 | crashanddie | battery drainage ftw |
| 23:22.21 | KotCzarny | ftl |
| 23:22.27 | ds3 | that doesn't work for me, it stays on the phone til I manually change it or move the phone away |
| 23:22.35 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly because I'm usually in an area where I have wifi access. |
| 23:23.09 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, spike your phone into the terrazzo when you walk in the door, you'll be set. :P |
| 23:23.15 | crashanddie | that's like the first time you play with your IT, you're like "wooaaa, awesome", then you install gmail notifier, and you come back the evening, and your battery's dead... And you're like "ok, well, better not tell this to my friends" |
| 23:23.16 | lcuk | ok, rewrite the drivers to autoconnect to ppecified adapters only |
| 23:23.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:23.43 | ds3 | easier to get blueproximity working and just have a bluetooth beacon at home |
| 23:23.49 | lcuk | we do have the source for the drivers...don't we? ;) |
| 23:23.59 | KotCzarny | some |
| 23:24.04 | ds3 | lcuk: I think I have complained about the lack of configurablity in the network managment stuff already |
| 23:24.13 | lcuk | yer :) |
| 23:24.15 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 23:24.35 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4333 |
| 23:24.36 | KotCzarny | hah |
| 23:24.39 | crashanddie | doesn't blueproximity == searching for the bluetooth connection ALL THE TIME ? |
| 23:24.42 | lcuk | but if you run a monitoring daemon on the desktop you can get it running sync from that end |
| 23:24.59 | ds3 | crashanddie: something like that |
| 23:25.11 | lcuk | just whenever and however your device connects to your LAN it will be synced |
| 23:25.28 | lcuk | whether it be autoselection or connecting manually it will still occur |
| 23:26.10 | crashanddie | I don't see the point of syncing it everytime though |
| 23:26.26 | crashanddie | if you need to sync your portable device EACH TIME, you have a design problem |
| 23:26.31 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:26.35 | KotCzarny | like medialibraries |
| 23:26.37 | ds3 | no, just once when I get home |
| 23:26.41 | KotCzarny | and metalayer-crawl |
| 23:26.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 23:26.52 | ds3 | or maybe once at 0400 daily if I am connected to the home network |
| 23:27.21 | crashanddie | I might write a anti-theft app though |
| 23:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, wonder if alarmd would help? |
| 23:27.33 | crashanddie | for the n810, that is |
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| 23:27.52 | crashanddie | whenever it connects to the internet, check with a server if its been stolen or not |
| 23:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, if you stick to a fairly regular schedule, alarmd + dbus to change networks would work pretty well. |
| 23:28.01 | crashanddie | if it has, activate gps, and send gps info to the server |
| 23:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | and mugshots! |
| 23:28.09 | GeneralAntilles | Don't forget the mugshots! |
| 23:28.16 | crashanddie | what, with camera , |
| 23:28.16 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I saw the post on ITT about that... I would still like to be able to be sure if I am at home, i am on the home network and not out via GPRS |
| 23:28.16 | crashanddie | ? |
| 23:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 23:28.36 | KotCzarny | heh, what gps.. |
| 23:28.52 | crashanddie | KotCzarny, note the "for the n810, that is" |
| 23:28.57 | ds3 | blueproximity to trigger the network switch and alarmd to fire off syncs at the right time should work |
| 23:28.59 | KotCzarny | even on 810 |
| 23:29.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:29.12 | crashanddie | KotCzarny, the gps on the n810 is pretty good actually |
| 23:29.31 | crashanddie | despite what everyone says |
| 23:29.40 | KotCzarny | i have seen mostly bad opinions |
| 23:29.45 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 23:29.48 | derf | I have never seen it work. |
| 23:29.50 | ds3 | i suppose i could it in reverse..let up a bluetooth listening service on the N800 side and have the home PC poke it when it sees it in range |
| 23:29.52 | crashanddie | but that's the thing with opinions |
| 23:30.02 | crashanddie | people who like it don't bother giving their opinions |
| 23:30.03 | KotCzarny | maybe it's because of location |
| 23:30.12 | KotCzarny | some places are better for fixing |
| 23:30.16 | ds3 | but then is there a way of forcing a network change via DBUS? |
| 23:30.17 | crashanddie | people who are pissed about it are flaming their ass off |
| 23:30.23 | derf | I left it sitting out all night... never got a fix. |
| 23:30.33 | derf | My BT GPS got a fix in under a minute. |
| 23:30.39 | derf | Guess which one I use. |
| 23:30.41 | crashanddie | ds3, there is an option to never connect automagically to phone connections |
| 23:31.10 | ds3 | crashanddie: that doesn't help. I want it to use the phone when I am away |
| 23:31.27 | crashanddie | derf, I get a fix under 3 minutes right under a thermal windscreen |
| 23:31.42 | ds3 | all they really need is some kind of network priority system in the network manager. if a higher priority network is seen, use it |
| 23:31.45 | crashanddie | ds3, it chooses wifi over phone connection |
| 23:32.08 | ds3 | crashaddie: right, but the choices are made only if there is no current connection |
| 23:32.10 | pupnik | derf, that's unusually bad experience - are you in between buildings? |
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| 23:32.39 | crashanddie | Hell, I just got a fix IN MY HOUSE |
| 23:32.50 | pupnik | you live in a yurt? |
| 23:32.53 | crashanddie | I'm about 6 feet from the window |
| 23:33.10 | crashanddie | I'm right under the roof though |
| 23:33.36 | crashanddie | though, they should optimize the gps |
| 23:33.37 | NullM0dem | i used to live in a yurt :-) and a tepee |
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| 23:33.44 | crashanddie | it seems it does a cold boot every single time |
| 23:33.52 | KotCzarny | and a bunghole? |
| 23:33.54 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:34.31 | derf | pupnik: No. |
| 23:34.33 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 23:34.40 | crashanddie | 1.30 here |
| 23:34.43 | crashanddie | and oral exam tomorrow |
| 23:34.47 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:35.05 | crashanddie | its english, so you be fine though |
| 23:35.12 | crashanddie | wow |
| 23:35.18 | crashanddie | it's english, so should be fine though |
| 23:35.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:35.31 | KotCzarny | wish you luck on that exam ;) |
| 23:35.37 | crashanddie | heh |
| 23:35.55 | crashanddie | always a good thing to make typos on a sentence implying you have an exam xD |
| 23:36.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:36.13 | crashanddie | though, I have to admit |
| 23:36.27 | crashanddie | oral exam economy was a bitch |
| 23:37.04 | pupnik | crashanddie must be in europe |
| 23:37.09 | KotCzarny | economy is a lie |
| 23:37.31 | crashanddie | so that's why the teacher kept saying "economy is a piece of cake" |
| 23:37.35 | crashanddie | CUZ THE CAKE IS A LIE |
| 23:38.02 | crashanddie | pupnik, hey, figured that from the timezone, einstein ? |
| 23:38.17 | crashanddie | anyway, cheers everyone |
| 23:38.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:38.47 | pupnik | no, just oral exams |
| 23:38.58 | pupnik | comparatively rare in the states |
| 23:39.03 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 23:39.04 | crashanddie | well |
| 23:39.23 | crashanddie | economy is one, english is two, only 3 two go |
| 23:39.31 | crashanddie | to |
| 23:39.33 | crashanddie | djeezus |
| 23:39.36 | crashanddie | yeah, I'm tired |
| 23:39.39 | crashanddie | bye |
| 23:39.43 | pupnik | p/ |
| 23:39.44 | KotCzarny | nigt night |
| 23:42.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 23:50.52 | KotCzarny | http://lonelymachines.org/images/posters/liberty.jpg |
| 23:50.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 23:59.53 | elb | that quote is not actually about the availability of arms, as much as the mentality of the American people as perceived by Yamamoto during his time at Columbia |
