| 00:00.24 | KotCzarny | http://bash.org/?24262 |
| 00:00.25 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 00:06.02 | blahdeblah-lap | Are openssh dependencies broken for anyone else around here? I tried to update to 1:4.7p1-2.maemo2 just now, and it tells me that openssh-common 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 is a missing dependency. |
| 00:07.07 | KotCzarny | install by hand? |
| 00:07.11 | GeneralAntilles | Uninstall and try again. |
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| 00:07.59 | blahdeblah-lap | Will that lose my passwords? |
| 00:08.08 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 00:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:08.16 | blahdeblah-lap | OK - will try it. |
| 00:09.23 | blahdeblah-lap | Weird - apt-get install openssh-client works just fine. |
| 00:09.27 | blahdeblah-lap | What's the deal there? |
| 00:09.36 | blahdeblah-lap | (Didn't even need to uninstall.) |
| 00:09.41 | KotCzarny | app-manager is buggy |
| 00:09.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:09.58 | blahdeblah-lap | Wonderful. Should i submit or vote for a bug? |
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| 00:10.08 | KotCzarny | if the bug is repeatable |
| 00:10.28 | KotCzarny | otherwise it may be anything from solar spots |
| 00:10.32 | KotCzarny | to user incompetence |
| 00:10.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:10.51 | blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: Are you saying i'm no good at pressing the update button? |
| 00:10.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 00:10.59 | blahdeblah-lap | I didn't think it took any skills... ;-) |
| 00:11.06 | KotCzarny | but to know why that is happening |
| 00:11.14 | KotCzarny | devs must know how to reproduce it |
| 00:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | There's nothing to submit against. |
| 00:11.21 | KotCzarny | and you may have new/old packages |
| 00:11.27 | KotCzarny | or weird combination of them |
| 00:11.31 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you count the openssh garage page, though, I suppose. |
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| 00:12.12 | blahdeblah-lap | Given that NOKIA STILL CAN'T FIX THE MAEMO EXTRAS REPOSITORY FOR ALL GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS, it's not unlikely that my repos were out of date. |
| 00:12.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:12.21 | blahdeblah-lap | (Sorry about that - just letting off some steam) |
| 00:12.27 | KotCzarny | no problem |
| 00:12.27 | lcuk | change takes time |
| 00:12.30 | KotCzarny | we are here for you |
| 00:12.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:12.38 | Navi | What's everyone's favorite media player for the N800 in terms of design (not including Canola and Mediabox) |
| 00:12.40 | blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: Gee - thanks |
| 00:12.53 | blahdeblah-lap | Navi: They're all bad. |
| 00:13.04 | Navi | Then what do you like? |
| 00:13.05 | KotCzarny | xmms and playfilelist |
| 00:13.49 | blahdeblah-lap | Navi: amarok :-) |
| 00:13.59 | Navi | :/ |
| 00:14.17 | Navi | mmk |
| 00:15.06 | blahdeblah-lap | Navi: Kagu is my current choice on maemo because it supports last.fm scrobbling, but the interface is terrible and it has some annoying bugs (like restarting playback when you add songs to the now playing list, and maximising the volume for a split second when you unpause it). |
| 00:15.38 | Navi | Heh |
| 00:19.21 | blahdeblah-lap | Navi: It's not funny when you're trying to go to sleep. ;-) |
| 00:19.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:19.42 | KotCzarny | use xmms |
| 00:20.04 | Navi | blahdeblah-lap, sure it is :) |
| 00:20.17 | blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: on maemo? |
| 00:20.20 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:20.26 | blahdeblah-lap | Does it scrobble? |
| 00:20.39 | KotCzarny | scrobble? |
| 00:20.43 | blahdeblah-lap | last.fm |
| 00:20.59 | blahdeblah-lap | If you're not an addict, you won't understand. |
| 00:21.22 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 00:21.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:21.34 | Jiten | what? you can'y scrobble if you aren't addicted to it somehow? |
| 00:21.38 | KotCzarny | ie. 'probably i'm not an addict' |
| 00:22.12 | KotCzarny | but there is xmms-ctrl |
| 00:22.27 | KotCzarny | so writing a script to do it shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:22.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:22.32 | lcdd | i had to ditch xmms because audioscrobble plugin tends to crash it |
| 00:22.42 | blahdeblah-lap | Jiten: No, but scrobbling is mandatory for a music play for me now |
| 00:22.50 | blahdeblah-lap | lcdd: Disappointing to hear. |
| 00:23.01 | KotCzarny | blah: how exactly it works? |
| 00:23.13 | KotCzarny | simple 'get track name, save it somewhere' ? |
| 00:23.27 | lcdd | audacious works almost as a drop-in replacement, though. and as a extra it supports evdev events from my tv remote |
| 00:23.28 | blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: You submit your tracks to their web site, then you can view stats, similar artists, join groups, etc. |
| 00:23.30 | KotCzarny | with or without user interaction? |
| 00:23.42 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 00:23.47 | blahdeblah-lap | you submit tracks without user interaction |
| 00:23.55 | blahdeblah-lap | Your music player does it for you |
| 00:24.06 | KotCzarny | i think it's doable in a python |
| 00:24.09 | KotCzarny | or even in bash |
| 00:24.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:24.20 | KotCzarny | using xmms-control |
| 00:24.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:24.40 | lcdd | yeah, shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:24.49 | KotCzarny | in fact writing standalone scrobbler would be even better |
| 00:24.59 | KotCzarny | that will interact with any player |
| 00:26.01 | KotCzarny | http://code.google.com/p/pyscrobble/ |
| 00:26.02 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 00:26.36 | blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: maemo scrobbler does that - the player just has to submit a couple of dbus messages |
| 00:26.51 | KotCzarny | blah: nice |
| 00:32.13 | blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: Where is xmms for maemo? I can't find it in app manager or searching maemo.org |
| 00:32.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:32.26 | KotCzarny | i have compiled one myslef |
| 00:32.28 | KotCzarny | myself |
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| 00:32.35 | blahdeblah-lap | ugh |
| 00:32.55 | KotCzarny | if you don't mind software from strangers i can give you the link |
| 00:32.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:33.22 | blahdeblah-lap | Maybe another day - gotta go. |
| 00:33.25 | KotCzarny | np |
| 00:33.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:33.34 | KotCzarny | hi pupnik |
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| 00:38.23 | nwidger_ | what's the easiest way to play a wav/mp3 file in a maemo app? like what libraries or whatever to use? |
| 00:38.40 | KotCzarny | gstreamer ? |
| 00:39.05 | nwidger_ | KotCzarny: cool... i just want a hardcoded sound file to play when i press a gtkbutton |
| 00:39.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:39.54 | nwidger_ | so the simplest solution would probably be the best |
| 00:40.01 | KotCzarny | esdplay ? |
| 00:40.04 | KotCzarny | mplayer ? |
| 00:40.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:40.18 | nwidger_ | hmm |
| 00:40.20 | KotCzarny | maybe there's framework for sound too |
| 00:40.23 | KotCzarny | in hildon |
| 00:40.35 | nwidger_ | maybe |
| 00:40.40 | nwidger_ | the tutorials dont mentions it anywhere |
| 00:40.41 | KotCzarny | but i think gstreamer will be easy |
| 00:40.55 | nwidger_ | cool |
| 00:40.58 | nwidger_ | ill give it a shot |
| 00:41.10 | KotCzarny | you don't want to control the play? |
| 00:41.15 | KotCzarny | just 'fire and forget' ? |
| 00:41.23 | nwidger_ | yeah |
| 00:41.29 | nwidger_ | well here's my app: |
| 00:41.31 | KotCzarny | ok, gstreamer then |
| 00:41.35 | nwidger_ | i drum on the table a lot |
| 00:41.37 | nwidger_ | using my fingers |
| 00:41.46 | nwidger_ | so i want to do the same on the tablet |
| 00:41.50 | KotCzarny | btw. check out pyano |
| 00:41.58 | nwidger_ | but each finger would make a different sound play each time i hit it |
| 00:42.02 | KotCzarny | it's a simple piano emulator |
| 00:42.04 | nwidger_ | like snare, bass, cymbol, etc |
| 00:42.08 | KotCzarny | to play with thumbs |
| 00:42.10 | KotCzarny | and using samples |
| 00:42.11 | nwidger_ | yeah basically |
| 00:42.17 | nwidger_ | but like a drumset |
| 00:42.25 | KotCzarny | just a different sample set |
| 00:42.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:42.31 | nwidger_ | yes :) |
| 00:42.49 | lcuk | and variable circular drum layout and sizing :) |
| 00:42.51 | KotCzarny | you may try some midi interaction too |
| 00:42.54 | KotCzarny | with timidity |
| 00:43.00 | lcuk | pressure sensitive |
| 00:43.07 | lcuk | harder press = louder |
| 00:43.11 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 00:43.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:43.29 | nwidger_ | lcuk: is the n810's screen pressure sensitive? |
| 00:43.36 | KotCzarny | n800 too |
| 00:43.41 | lcuk | wonders what the bres circle algoyithm looks like |
| 00:43.43 | lcuk | yes |
| 00:43.49 | nwidger_ | cool, didnt know that |
| 00:43.56 | KotCzarny | new day, new knowledge |
| 00:43.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:44.03 | nwidger_ | yeah so ive never programmed on maemo |
| 00:44.10 | KotCzarny | do you know python? |
| 00:44.11 | WorkingOnWise | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.17 | nwidger_ | KotCzarny: no but i can learn it |
| 00:44.24 | nwidger_ | i've been using c and gtk |
| 00:44.26 | lcuk | get hold of a program called maemopad+ and there is a pressure option |
| 00:44.31 | KotCzarny | nwidger: it's very simple to write pygtk apps |
| 00:44.37 | KotCzarny | if you know gtk already |
| 00:44.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:44.41 | nwidger_ | lcuk: sure, ill check it out |
| 00:45.05 | lcuk | there are lots of examples around and you can perform easy actions on single button press |
| 00:45.20 | lcuk | and because you dont have to compile it, you can edit directly on 810 and play and make better |
| 00:45.25 | nwidger_ | i thought it would be cool if there was a configuration option to position different buttons on the screen each with its own sample, so that it would work best with your left/right-handedness and finger size |
| 00:45.55 | KotCzarny | gtk supports dragging buttons too |
| 00:45.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:45.58 | lcuk | there is another program called PyGTKEditor which lets you edit and test python applications on maemo :) |
| 00:46.05 | nwidger_ | neat |
| 00:46.18 | Zetx| | What are the chances it's not a hardware issue if I've reflashed twice and my touchscreen still has the same problem? :| |
| 00:46.20 | lcuk | im drumming on my keyboard now and know exactly what you mean |
| 00:46.34 | lcuk | whats the problem Zetx| |
| 00:46.37 | KotCzarny | zetx: have you seen n800 power on drama thread? |
| 00:46.43 | Zetx| | oh, it's not that |
| 00:47.09 | Navi | Zetx|, someone else complains about that problem in a different channel |
| 00:47.21 | KotCzarny | btw. what is the problem? |
| 00:47.23 | Zetx| | it's my touchscreen, sometimes when i tap around the middle of my screen it thinks i'm tapping at the left side (it hits the application menu) |
| 00:47.30 | KotCzarny | ah, yes |
| 00:47.32 | KotCzarny | known problem |
| 00:47.34 | nwidger_ | lcuk: the only down side is that the screen can't register multiple touches at the same time i'm guessing, so no bass+cymbal crashes :( |
| 00:47.34 | Zetx| | and i've tried calibrating |
| 00:47.35 | Zetx| | ah |
| 00:47.36 | Zetx| | :\ |
| 00:47.42 | KotCzarny | my guess it's just bad software |
| 00:47.56 | Zetx| | it's just a difficult thing to search on 'touchscreen' is gonna get alot of hits ;p |
| 00:47.56 | KotCzarny | that doesn't filter out those bad data |
| 00:47.59 | lcuk | nwidger_, i dont think its as bad as you think |
| 00:48.20 | Zetx| | i guess i'll try a different firmware then |
| 00:48.22 | nwidger_ | lcuk: the screen has multitouch capabilities? |
| 00:48.26 | KotCzarny | zetx, no |
| 00:48.30 | KotCzarny | it's not solved |
| 00:48.32 | lcuk | no |
| 00:48.33 | KotCzarny | even with latest |
| 00:48.34 | Zetx| | oh |
| 00:48.35 | Zetx| | yeah |
| 00:49.22 | Zetx| | so -everybody- has that issue? :| |
| 00:49.24 | KotCzarny | but you can resolve it a littly by dragging menu to the right part of the screen |
| 00:49.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:49.37 | lcuk | Zetx|, return to nokia, that sounds like a busted screen - ive seen it happen to many nintendo DSs cos they get lots of abuse, with nokias similar fault is plausable though they are generally better treated |
| 00:49.40 | KotCzarny | *little |
| 00:50.02 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but it's intermittent |
| 00:50.11 | KotCzarny | most of the time taps are correct |
| 00:50.13 | lcuk | if your screen is touching where you arent thats because either something is trapped under the left hand side of screen |
| 00:50.14 | Zetx| | KotCzarny, do you have a link to the issue? like a filed bug or something? |
| 00:50.20 | KotCzarny | only sometimes they go with x=0 |
| 00:50.25 | KotCzarny | zetx: nope |
| 00:50.43 | lcuk | i had a whole discussion about this with a guy fairly recently i got test screenshots and everything |
| 00:50.46 | lcuk | lemme find link |
| 00:51.07 | nwidger_ | lcuk: can you explain what you meant by 'i dont think its as bad as you think'? |
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| 00:51.24 | WorkingOnWise | if I install KDE on my tablet, is there some way to switch between KDE and the default DE on an N800? |
| 00:51.29 | lcuk | the screen is usable as a touch screen isnt it? |
| 00:51.38 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:51.45 | lcdd | KotCzarny: which menu is draggable? |
| 00:51.55 | KotCzarny | lcdd: navbar |
| 00:52.03 | nwidger_ | lcuk: yes of course |
| 00:52.07 | lcuk | it was johnx! |
| 00:52.08 | lcuk | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Pentest2.png |
| 00:52.33 | KotCzarny | lcdd: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png |
| 00:52.43 | lcuk | when he tapped somewhere it went somewhere else, but at some parts of his screen it was ok. it worked perfectly until he said it heats up |
| 00:52.50 | lcuk | once it does it occurs more |
| 00:52.57 | nwidger_ | lcuk: but if i touch the screen in two places at the same time, it will only register one of them, correct? |
| 00:52.58 | Zetx| | to me, it feels like if i angle the stylus some more, it does it more often, but that might just be me |
| 00:53.08 | lcuk | yes nw |
| 00:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | nwidger_, it registers an average of the two. |
| 00:53.24 | lcuk | check for bits caught under the lip |
| 00:53.38 | nwidger_ | GeneralAntilles: like, the average of the two coordinates? |
| 00:53.43 | lcuk | yes |
| 00:53.47 | nwidger_ | hmmm |
| 00:54.02 | lcuk | ive thought about interpolating and trying to keep track of multiple |
| 00:54.09 | lcuk | but it never got more than that |
| 00:54.15 | nwidger_ | hmmmm |
| 00:54.22 | lcdd | KotCzarny: that is awesome. i'm left-handed and the menu has been bugging me. where do i poke to drag it? |
| 00:54.38 | KotCzarny | lcdd: you need randr enabled kernel & xomap |
| 00:54.49 | KotCzarny | it gets enabled after first rotation |
| 00:55.01 | KotCzarny | it can even be draggod to the top or bottom |
| 00:55.14 | lcuk | damn, thats a killer feature |
| 00:55.14 | KotCzarny | then you just drag it |
| 00:55.21 | lcdd | KotCzarny: okay. will look into it |
| 00:55.24 | KotCzarny | as a taskbar in windows |
| 00:55.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:55.26 | lcuk | why didnt you shout that as a reason to put r&r on ;) |
| 00:55.33 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 00:55.43 | KotCzarny | because i didn't know about |
| 00:55.44 | KotCzarny | it |
| 00:55.50 | lcuk | sse2.net isnt it |
| 00:55.54 | KotCzarny | then someone told me that's draggable |
| 00:55.58 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:56.12 | lcuk | whats folder? |
| 00:56.17 | lcuk | can you remember |
| 00:56.17 | KotCzarny | rotate |
| 00:56.37 | KotCzarny | it's most usefull in portrait mode |
| 00:56.51 | KotCzarny | to get more width for app |
| 00:57.54 | KotCzarny | and it can even be dragged out of the screen ;) |
| 00:57.55 | lcuk | gonna try and put it on now. it might even help simplicity for my prog :) |
| 00:58.16 | lcuk | actually, no im not |
| 00:58.19 | KotCzarny | it would be good to find out how to cause it programatically |
| 00:58.23 | lcuk | just saw the time |
| 00:58.32 | KotCzarny | what time? |
| 00:58.35 | KotCzarny | barely 21 ;) |
| 00:58.40 | lcuk | 2am |
| 00:58.50 | lcuk | work in 6 |
| 00:58.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:59.12 | KotCzarny | good night then |
| 00:59.18 | lcuk | bug me tomorrow ;) i really want it on |
| 00:59.21 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 00:59.22 | KotCzarny | np |
| 00:59.31 | KotCzarny | get your nokia to the work ;) |
| 00:59.51 | lcuk | nahhh i dont like moving it until i am happy showing it off |
| 00:59.53 | nwidger_ | why is it that every library ever takes like 250 lines just to do the simplest thing |
| 01:00.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:00.23 | lcuk | because they arent you're library. write everything once and you have your own library :) |
| 01:00.37 | lcuk | write it the way YOU want it. |
| 01:00.39 | KotCzarny | or just hide initialization in your sublib |
| 01:00.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:00.51 | nwidger_ | i just want to say play(sound.wav) but it's never going to be that easy |
| 01:00.52 | lcuk | does a mix of both |
| 01:01.04 | nwidger_ | yeah the second is probably what's going to happen |
| 01:01.07 | KotCzarny | nwidger: ever heard about system() ? |
| 01:01.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:01.15 | lcuk | im taking entire folders with half the core code and shotting off in another direction |
| 01:01.43 | lcuk | nwidger_, look at source of pypiano :) its all there |
| 01:01.43 | nwidger_ | KotCzarny: haha |
| 01:01.47 | nwidger_ | im not that dirty |
| 01:01.56 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:02.09 | nwidger_ | lcuk: link? |
| 01:02.14 | KotCzarny | but it's the simplest way to do what you want |
| 01:02.32 | KotCzarny | lccuk: it's pyano ;) |
| 01:02.35 | lcuk | http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2008/01/pyano.html |
| 01:02.38 | lcuk | good point |
| 01:02.49 | KotCzarny | very clever name |
| 01:02.54 | nwidger_ | lcuk: excellent |
| 01:03.18 | lcuk | and since its python you can edit it and play and put your own samples there (I assume) |
| 01:03.19 | KotCzarny | huh, nwidger: i told you to look at the pyano :) |
| 01:03.24 | nwidger_ | .debs dont usually contain the source do they? |
| 01:03.30 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 01:03.38 | nwidger_ | KotCzarny: oh, sorry. thank you :) |
| 01:03.46 | KotCzarny | np :) |
| 01:04.07 | lcuk | nwidger_, in this case, they do - it is written in python. this is a parsed language and is not compiled |
| 01:04.25 | nwidger_ | oh shit yeah |
| 01:04.27 | nwidger_ | im an idiot |
| 01:04.51 | lcuk | not at all :) you are a person on a journey :) |
| 01:04.58 | nwidger_ | it's all about the journey |
| 01:05.17 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:05.22 | KotCzarny | firefox 2.0.0.13 ? |
| 01:05.35 | lcuk | im on 11 |
| 01:05.42 | KotCzarny | i'm on .12 |
| 01:06.09 | lcuk | lol - i disabled updates after they got in my way |
| 01:06.10 | KotCzarny | and it's out for 3 weeks already |
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| 01:06.28 | KotCzarny | i have mine packaged into cramfs ;) |
| 01:06.33 | nwidger_ | i thought .deb files where gzip'd |
| 01:06.41 | KotCzarny | nwidger: inside |
| 01:06.48 | KotCzarny | .deb is an ar archive |
| 01:06.53 | KotCzarny | containing actual .tar.gz |
| 01:06.56 | KotCzarny | and some control info |
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| 01:07.03 | nwidger_ | ah okay |
| 01:07.06 | lcuk | (and a bit of magic) |
| 01:07.11 | nwidger_ | im just trying to crack is open instead of install it |
| 01:07.18 | KotCzarny | ar x some.deb |
| 01:07.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:07.23 | nwidger_ | yup |
| 01:07.30 | nwidger_ | man pages are useful :) |
| 01:07.34 | lcuk | nothing better on the nokia than to try it yourself, see if you think its worth continuing with your drum idea |
| 01:08.04 | nwidger_ | ya |
| 01:08.13 | nwidger_ | well it shouldnt be that hard |
| 01:08.18 | KotCzarny | but maybe i should go strainght to 3.x |
| 01:08.20 | nwidger_ | i knew the trickiest part would be playing sound |
| 01:08.20 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 01:08.44 | KotCzarny | nwidger: you can use mplayer in -slave mode too |
| 01:08.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:08.55 | KotCzarny | then just popen and send commands |
| 01:09.00 | nwidger_ | hmmm |
| 01:09.05 | nwidger_ | ill keep that in mind |
| 01:09.09 | KotCzarny | but the best way would be to compile timidity |
| 01:09.14 | KotCzarny | and start it in server mode |
| 01:09.22 | KotCzarny | then it's just midi |
| 01:09.33 | nwidger_ | cool |
| 01:09.43 | KotCzarny | you know about midi i presume |
| 01:09.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:11.08 | nwidger_ | yes |
| 01:11.26 | nwidger_ | i grew up listening to videogame music in the 90s on the internet :P |
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| 01:11.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:11.46 | KotCzarny | .mods ftw! |
| 01:12.00 | nwidger_ | mmm |
| 01:12.03 | lcuk | i grew up listening to real videogame music in the 80's on a spectrum and amiga and c64 |
| 01:12.04 | nwidger_ | those are good too |
| 01:12.13 | nwidger_ | lcuk: old man :P |
| 01:12.17 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:12.35 | nwidger_ | i wish i grew up with amiga and c64 |
| 01:12.48 | KotCzarny | went atari/amiga way |
| 01:13.00 | nwidger_ | oldest thing i had was a coleco adam with donkey kong |
| 01:13.01 | KotCzarny | and a little bit of timex |
| 01:13.03 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:13.17 | lcuk | amiga ruled :) this nokia reminds me so much of it - with its custom chipset - the cpu, the dsp and the pvr (when online..) it will rock |
| 01:13.46 | KotCzarny | lcuk: btw. have you considered how pvr will effect battery life? |
| 01:14.02 | KotCzarny | arm can power down parts of the chip |
| 01:14.05 | nwidger_ | pvr? |
| 01:14.10 | KotCzarny | powervr |
| 01:14.17 | KotCzarny | 3d chip |
| 01:14.19 | lcuk | i dont care about battery - if i have to keep it plugged in i will |
| 01:14.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:14.23 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 01:14.47 | lcuk | i doubt it will be any worse than running the dsp at same time |
| 01:14.59 | KotCzarny | dsp will run too |
| 01:15.01 | nwidger_ | does the n810 have a pvr chip? |
| 01:15.03 | lcuk | i could quite happily live in silece on the desktop so that its crisp |
| 01:15.19 | lcuk | yes and we can't use it at the moment because we have no driver |
| 01:15.29 | nwidger_ | :( |
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| 01:15.48 | lcuk | its a long and drawn out thing and it pisses me off no end and i so wanna use it cos the amount of dreamy effects we could do would be amazing |
| 01:16.00 | lcuk | stomps to his room |
| 01:16.05 | nwidger_ | lcuk: try not to wet yourself |
| 01:16.31 | lcuk | :) i dont it just riles me occasionally |
| 01:16.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:17.43 | myren | i cant tell whether nokia is just too cheap to license pvr, too lazy to build a driver, too concerned about how to do open source for the driver |
| 01:18.17 | monkeyiq | anyone else here use WPA2 with their n810? |
| 01:18.28 | KotCzarny | uses WEP |
| 01:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure the result of the cost benefit analysis was bad. |
| 01:18.35 | lcuk | or whether there is a technical reason why its use has not been sanctioned? |
| 01:18.46 | GeneralAntilles | It wont be able to do fast graphics at full resolution. |
| 01:18.54 | lcuk | i wonder if its the fear of ngage software piracy? |
| 01:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | There could also be complicated technical issues. |
| 01:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no way. |
| 01:19.10 | KotCzarny | lcuk: there was one thread that nokia said 'the chip won't benefit us' |
| 01:19.17 | lcuk | why not, its compatible hardware |
| 01:19.18 | KotCzarny | because of lack of vram |
| 01:19.24 | myren | ahhhh right forgot that |
| 01:19.43 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; hmm, can you get >0.5Mb/sec download over WEP? |
| 01:19.44 | lcuk | no, dont forget that - its VERY easy to give the lcd any resolution it wants |
| 01:20.01 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq: mbit or MB ? |
| 01:20.05 | lcuk | we can supply the lcd correctly at (for instance) 400*240 and it will display it at fullscreen |
| 01:20.09 | KotCzarny | let me test |
| 01:20.10 | monkeyiq | megabyte |
| 01:20.14 | lcuk | the same occurs on any resolution |
| 01:20.22 | monkeyiq | I get about that even downloading from a local http:// with wget |
| 01:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure, but that's suboptimal. |
| 01:20.39 | monkeyiq | I suspect that WPA2 just kills the CPU, as its at 100% getting 500kbyte/s |
| 01:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | I get 800KB/sec over WPA2 and scp/sftp |
| 01:21.24 | lcuk | suboptimal my arse - if we can get fancy graphics at any resolution JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT then we shouldnt try? |
| 01:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 01:21.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'm merely arguing Nokia's point of view. |
| 01:21.53 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles; Ah ok, so maybe I should look at my AP etc. scp/wget both give me about 500kb/s |
| 01:22.01 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq: i get 315kb/s |
| 01:22.06 | KotCzarny | using 11mbit |
| 01:22.08 | lcuk | if nokia wanted optimal we would see movies at full res |
| 01:22.09 | monkeyiq | I get about 1mb/sec scp from localhost to localhost on the n810 |
| 01:22.20 | lcuk | but they are shown at reduced res and people genenrally dont complain |
| 01:22.26 | lcuk | same with games |
| 01:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | Movies are a bit different from games. |
| 01:22.46 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; ah ok. so my 500kb/sec is not sounding quite so bad. |
| 01:22.52 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 01:22.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:23.05 | nwidger_ | pyano is good, but it's not fast enough |
| 01:23.27 | monkeyiq | but still, viewing 4-5mb digital pix over NFS is very annoying. If I could get closer to 2mb/sec then it would be quite a nice image tablet |
| 01:23.43 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq: vnc? |
| 01:23.44 | nwidger_ | if you alternate keys too fast, it doesnt play all the hits |
| 01:23.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:23.47 | monkeyiq | or I could prescale the images at the server end, but I'd like to reserve that option for later |
| 01:24.14 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; heh, interesting idea, not quite as crazy as it sounds at first. |
| 01:24.28 | monkeyiq | use the server to do the load/scale and only send the screen down the pipe |
| 01:24.32 | lcuk | auto compression, resolution reduction |
| 01:24.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:24.42 | KotCzarny | lcuk: go to sleep |
| 01:24.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:24.47 | lcuk | lol |
| 01:24.57 | lcuk | im just thinkin |
| 01:25.03 | monkeyiq | I might also try using no WEP/WPA2 and using tinc/openvnc or ssh tunneling to see if I can get better speed |
| 01:25.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:25.29 | KotCzarny | otoh i should try this test from another comp |
| 01:25.32 | monkeyiq | since the n810 can to 1mb/s on loopback and it has to enc/dec I might get closer to 2mb/s over ssh on no WEP/WPA |
| 01:25.34 | KotCzarny | it was wifi--router--wifi |
| 01:25.38 | lcuk | what res images are you testing with monkeyiq |
| 01:25.45 | monkeyiq | lcdd; 10mpx |
| 01:25.55 | monkeyiq | err, lcuk that is |
| 01:26.06 | lcuk | will always end up with MUCH more data then - vnc showing fullscreen will be much less |
| 01:26.23 | KotCzarny | especially with jpeg encoding |
| 01:26.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:26.38 | monkeyiq | I was just hoping that with 2mb/s it would take about 2 sec to xfer and it would be usable with prefetching. |
| 01:26.52 | monkeyiq | given that canola can handle these images resonalby well from sdcards |
| 01:26.57 | lcuk | what are you using to copy? |
| 01:27.08 | monkeyiq | NFS |
| 01:27.33 | monkeyiq | but for bandwidth tests, scp |
| 01:27.35 | monkeyiq | or wget |
| 01:28.00 | monkeyiq | both give 500kb/s which is fishy given that scp has to do more CPU stuff (the whole WPA2 and ssh crypto combination) |
| 01:28.14 | lcuk | you could try and see if they are progressive |
| 01:28.14 | monkeyiq | so I think WPA2 is limiting bandwidth for all to < 500k/s |
| 01:28.14 | KotCzarny | i confirm |
| 01:28.21 | lcuk | at least you would get the preview quicker |
| 01:28.24 | KotCzarny | sucking off eth--wlan it's 450-500 |
| 01:28.38 | KotCzarny | (http) |
| 01:28.54 | monkeyiq | I haven't tested what I can get without WEP/WPA2 to see what the wifi is absolutely limited to |
| 01:28.59 | KotCzarny | and cpu usage is ~50% on tablet |
| 01:29.06 | lcuk | ie, dont read after copying - try to load images direct - if they are progressive and your preview can show them - you will get images quicker on screen |
| 01:29.12 | KotCzarny | so it's not an bottleneck |
| 01:29.21 | monkeyiq | lcuk; yeah, though for that I don't mind having a daemon to thumb things for me. |
| 01:29.34 | KotCzarny | php based server |
| 01:29.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:29.36 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 01:29.47 | monkeyiq | so I have a 70% qual 800x480 thumb to load |
| 01:29.51 | monkeyiq | or something |
| 01:30.13 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; interesting, CPU is at 100% for me on the n810 during copy |
| 01:30.14 | lcuk | yer, should be tiny files |
| 01:30.19 | KotCzarny | i use wep |
| 01:30.23 | monkeyiq | ah ok :) |
| 01:30.56 | KotCzarny | and cpuinfo shows that cpu is in 160mhz mode |
| 01:30.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:31.07 | lcuk | im off 2 sleep anyway :) |
| 01:31.14 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.24 | monkeyiq | it seems that many apps expect either stuff is on sdcard or explicitly on the internet. I tried running kagu with an NFS mount in its indexing path... bad idea! It actually downloads each song from NFS fully to read ID3 tags |
| 01:31.26 | KotCzarny | that's the most cpu intensive process |
| 01:31.29 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.47 | KotCzarny | wifi driver is ~10% |
| 01:32.00 | monkeyiq | crashes qemu in scratchbox again |
| 01:32.05 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq: how about xmms? |
| 01:32.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:32.16 | monkeyiq | seems that sb doesn't much like fedora8 :( |
| 01:32.33 | glass | vmware.. |
| 01:32.42 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; I have that installed too, when you accidently minimize xmms things get interesting :) |
| 01:32.57 | KotCzarny | monkeyiq: get my kciconsbox |
| 01:32.58 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:33.19 | KotCzarny | for the situations like this :) |
| 01:33.48 | monkeyiq | hehe, a single google hit! |
| 01:33.51 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 01:33.59 | KotCzarny | it's on the net since yesterday |
| 01:34.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:34.17 | KotCzarny | and i have to rewrite it properly in c ;) |
| 01:34.25 | monkeyiq | I've been brewing a few debs for the n810 myself... parted is quite handy :) |
| 01:34.52 | monkeyiq | BTW is there a kernel for the n810 that has kernel modules packaged too, like luks, fuse, xfs etc? |
| 01:35.11 | monkeyiq | unfortunately the kernel compile also crashes qemu on fedora8 scratchbox :/ |
| 01:35.14 | KotCzarny | you can get kernel source and make modules yourself |
| 01:35.24 | monkeyiq | So i might end up trying scbox on ubuntu in a vm |
| 01:35.53 | monkeyiq | I was just hoping that some main repo existed to avoid having everyone recompile the kernel. |
| 01:35.54 | KotCzarny | for luks and fuse there are packages i guess |
| 01:36.10 | KotCzarny | user compiled |
| 01:36.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:36.18 | monkeyiq | ah ok. I saw a luks tar.gz of modules and kernel but the only fuse stuff I found was for the 770 |
| 01:36.34 | KotCzarny | i can give you fuse-sshfs package |
| 01:36.36 | monkeyiq | is a filesystems kind of guy, just in case you didn't pick up on it :) |
| 01:36.36 | KotCzarny | if you want |
| 01:36.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:36.49 | KotCzarny | also i can compile xfs |
| 01:36.50 | monkeyiq | repo url? |
| 01:36.54 | KotCzarny | erm |
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| 01:37.05 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:37.11 | KotCzarny | more like tar.gz |
| 01:37.15 | KotCzarny | than .deb |
| 01:37.56 | monkeyiq | cool. I'll take a look. I might also get the fuse automounter filesystem happening. |
| 01:38.11 | monkeyiq | though a tray icon with mount/umount options would also be quite handy. |
| 01:38.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:38.29 | monkeyiq | and the ability to automount stuff if a VPN/network came up |
| 01:38.38 | KotCzarny | it's all scriptable |
| 01:38.39 | monkeyiq | I suspect that will be one of my first apps for maemo :) |
| 01:38.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:42.17 | KotCzarny | one note about xmms, mad plugin is a must |
| 01:42.31 | KotCzarny | builtin mp3 decoder will suck 100% cpu |
| 01:42.43 | KotCzarny | mad gets away with 15% |
| 01:42.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:43.00 | monkeyiq | ah ok. nice tip. I mostly have ogg/flac, but do have the odd mp3 (haven't actually played an mp3 on the 810 yet) |
| 01:45.03 | monkeyiq | though also I need to work out how to integrate Luks into maemo. with nice login/password dialogs and such |
| 01:45.13 | KotCzarny | python? |
| 01:45.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:45.19 | KotCzarny | pygtk to be exact |
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| 01:45.35 | monkeyiq | having tainted a 810 bootup once, I'm not too happy about testing such dialogs in the boot process on a device |
| 01:46.24 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 01:46.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:46.29 | monkeyiq | well, the dialog itself I might just make using the gtk2 C api. its more the hookup logistics and getting luks to do the right thing, like flushing a fs key on device lock etc. |
| 01:46.51 | KotCzarny | i hated when my slackware rc.S tried to mount -a my sshfs shares |
| 01:46.57 | monkeyiq | I'll get bacula onto the 810 soon so I don't live in a digital wasteland on it anymore :) |
| 01:47.00 | KotCzarny | adding nosshfs helped ;) |
| 01:47.23 | monkeyiq | yeah, that would kind of suck :) |
| 01:51.29 | monkeyiq | KotCzarny; what linux distro is your sbox installed on? so I can install that in a vm for my custom kernel compiles. (and get xalanc and xqilla to compile without crashing qemu) |
| 01:51.38 | KotCzarny | slackware |
| 01:52.16 | KotCzarny | debian would work too |
| 01:52.25 | monkeyiq | ok thanks :) I was hoping to find a post somewhere about what fedora does to angry up sbox so much, but the only ones I found don't help with the kernel |
| 01:52.40 | KotCzarny | redhat has a bad fame |
| 01:52.49 | KotCzarny | about custom untested patches ;) |
| 01:52.50 | monkeyiq | I might try a vanilla linux kernel on the fedora vmachine that runs sbox to see if that helps |
| 01:53.23 | monkeyiq | I suspect its either the fed kernel or its glibc, hopefully its not the later :/ |
| 01:54.02 | KotCzarny | it's not that bad i think |
| 01:54.08 | monkeyiq | yeah, I might move away to debian at some stage, but I don't switch lightly. |
| 01:54.24 | KotCzarny | install debian on vmware? |
| 01:54.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:54.50 | monkeyiq | yeah, that is the other option. I already have an ubuntu vm, so just clone that and install sbox on the clone |
| 01:55.32 | monkeyiq | I might end up just using sbox on the ubuntu vm if fedora is going to give me these issues, as that vmachine is just for sbox anyway |
| 01:55.46 | KotCzarny | there's a vmware image anyway |
| 01:55.50 | KotCzarny | ready to consume |
| 01:56.02 | KotCzarny | have you tried it? |
| 01:56.28 | monkeyiq | nup. But installing sbox on a clone isn't hard and will be less bandwidth than downloading a whole vm |
| 01:56.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:56.49 | monkeyiq | but I'll keep that as a final, last resort :) |
| 01:56.53 | KotCzarny | it's still few hundred mbs |
| 01:57.15 | KotCzarny | for the sb/sdk/update |
| 01:57.23 | monkeyiq | and then brew off a tarball with shitloads of kernel modules. :) |
| 01:57.35 | KotCzarny | not that much |
| 01:57.37 | KotCzarny | really |
| 01:57.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:57.48 | KotCzarny | most of the kernel branches are cut off |
| 01:58.05 | KotCzarny | s/much/many/ |
| 01:58.42 | monkeyiq | though I did notice a few nice treats when I poked around in menuconfig for the kernel. |
| 01:58.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:59.05 | KotCzarny | don't forget about randr patch |
| 01:59.16 | monkeyiq | also getting many of the funkier network modules will make for interesting games to play |
| 01:59.30 | KotCzarny | sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 01:59.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:00.16 | monkeyiq | cool. |
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| 02:08.47 | rm_you | *&@# |
| 02:08.51 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 02:08.55 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:09.25 | rm_you | sorry, annoyed because i've been so busy recently i haven't had time to even look at IRC in almost a week |
| 02:09.33 | KotCzarny | life |
| 02:09.33 | rm_you | but i'm back :P |
| 02:09.41 | KotCzarny | have you seen my kciconsbox already? |
| 02:09.42 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 02:09.48 | rm_you | no? |
| 02:09.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:10.00 | rm_you | i haven't touched my n800 in over a week either <_< |
| 02:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Does it still hate you? :P |
| 02:10.14 | rm_you | soooo busy... and got a laptop... and my n800 is choking itself to death |
| 02:10.21 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 02:10.23 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: not QUITE as much, but yes it is. |
| 02:10.54 | rm_you | one day it wont stay on for more than like 2 minutes at a time, other days it only shuts off two or three times in the whole day |
| 02:11.13 | KotCzarny | 'only' |
| 02:11.17 | rm_you | <_< |
| 02:11.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like bad hardware. |
| 02:11.30 | rm_you | yes. only. compared to about 500 times in a day |
| 02:11.42 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i think it's watchdog tho... |
| 02:11.52 | KotCzarny | mine shuts down only when i keep it starving too long |
| 02:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | Well, obviously. |
| 02:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | But SOMETHING is causing the resets. |
| 02:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming you've reflashed? |
| 02:12.11 | KotCzarny | rm_you: have you tried disabling wd ? |
| 02:12.14 | rm_you | how can i turn off watchdog so i will have time to see? |
| 02:12.20 | KotCzarny | use flasher tool |
| 02:12.21 | rm_you | i've tried looking it up and failed |
| 02:12.28 | rm_you | i'm on windoze ATM due to work |
| 02:12.30 | rm_you | <_< |
| 02:12.41 | GeneralAntilles | You need the linucks flasher. |
| 02:12.50 | rm_you | is there not a way to disable it on the device? |
| 02:12.54 | rm_you | like, FROM the device? |
| 02:12.58 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:13.02 | lcuk | vmware image is linux :) |
| 02:13.03 | KotCzarny | you can try setting interval |
| 02:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | Not that I know of. |
| 02:13.09 | KotCzarny | to some high number |
| 02:13.21 | rm_you | where is the interval setting? |
| 02:13.26 | KotCzarny | somewhere in /sys |
| 02:13.33 | KotCzarny | by default it's ~60sec |
| 02:14.25 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.52 | KotCzarny | echo 600 > /sys/devices/platform/retu-watchdog/period |
| 02:15.14 | KotCzarny | (haven't tried it, but report if it helps) |
| 02:15.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:15.36 | rm_you | that would make it every... 600 seconds? |
| 02:15.36 | KotCzarny | seems to be ignored |
| 02:15.41 | rm_you | :/ |
| 02:15.58 | KotCzarny | maybe dbus |
| 02:16.02 | KotCzarny | or kernel recompile |
| 02:18.59 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ |
| 02:19.44 | KotCzarny | no-omap-wd no-retu-wd no-lifeguard-reset |
| 02:19.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:21.38 | KotCzarny | flasher --set-rd-flags no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset |
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| 02:21.44 | KotCzarny | probably something like this |
| 02:21.52 | rm_you | can i do that without actually flashing the device? |
| 02:21.56 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 02:21.59 | rm_you | hrm |
| 02:22.00 | KotCzarny | it's probably setting flags |
| 02:22.06 | rm_you | i will try downloading the vmware |
| 02:22.08 | rm_you | or... |
| 02:22.09 | rm_you | ah! |
| 02:22.18 | rm_you | i have an ubuntu livecd somewhere here |
| 02:22.23 | rm_you | i can shove that in my laptop |
| 02:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 02:22.51 | KotCzarny | but be aware |
| 02:22.57 | KotCzarny | that if the device really hangs |
| 02:23.04 | KotCzarny | you will have to take out battery |
| 02:23.06 | KotCzarny | to reboot it |
| 02:23.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:23.09 | rm_you | hrm k |
| 02:23.13 | rm_you | lets see... |
| 02:23.15 | KotCzarny | because no reboot button |
| 02:23.29 | rm_you | do i just plug in the usb and run the flasher? |
| 02:23.37 | rm_you | i have no idea how to do this... *sigh* |
| 02:23.38 | rm_you | off to forums |
| 02:23.40 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 02:23.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:24.17 | rm_you | i was trying to work on a UT3 mapping project for class, but i need a break >_< |
| 02:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags |
| 02:24.43 | GeneralAntilles | That's throw you the options. |
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| 02:29.13 | rm_you | ima do this i think: |
| 02:29.17 | rm_you | ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset |
| 02:29.20 | rm_you | look good? |
| 02:29.46 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 02:29.51 | KotCzarny | i'm not sure about --enable-rd-mode |
| 02:29.59 | rm_you | well, i never did it |
| 02:30.01 | KotCzarny | but it shouldn't break too much |
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| 02:30.07 | rm_you | and that makes it easier to sudo, yes? |
| 02:30.08 | KotCzarny | try with and without it |
| 02:30.39 | KotCzarny | you can try testing each wd flag separately |
| 02:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | Don't you have easyroot or something installed. :P |
| 02:30.51 | KotCzarny | to pinpoint which one is responsible for resets |
| 02:30.55 | rm_you | yeah i do.. |
| 02:30.56 | rm_you | whatever |
| 02:31.13 | rm_you | anyway, so i tried ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset |
| 02:31.21 | rm_you | and it just prints out the possible rd flags again |
| 02:31.34 | GeneralAntilles | --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd |
| 02:31.39 | rm_you | ah |
| 02:31.41 | rm_you | =\ |
| 02:31.46 | rm_you | doesnt say to use = |
| 02:31.52 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 02:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's Nokia |
| 02:33.02 | rm_you | hrm |
| 02:33.09 | rm_you | so now it has a little wrench icon on the load screen ^_^ |
| 02:33.20 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 02:33.26 | rm_you | cute |
| 02:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | It gets old fast. |
| 02:33.49 | KotCzarny | wrench as in 'something is screwed' |
| 02:33.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:33.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:34.04 | KotCzarny | just kidding |
| 02:34.05 | rm_you | so how do i make it boot now |
| 02:34.11 | rm_you | it's still in USB boot mode |
| 02:34.38 | GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 -R |
| 02:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | You fail hard |
| 02:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | How long have you had this thing? :P |
| 02:35.17 | rm_you | i never used the linux flasher :P |
| 02:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | Erg |
| 02:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | Windows? |
| 02:35.37 | rm_you | i have to... for work :/ |
| 02:35.40 | rm_you | i program in VB |
| 02:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 02:35.48 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 02:35.52 | rm_you | hrm |
| 02:35.55 | KotCzarny | vb damages brain |
| 02:36.01 | KotCzarny | shrugs again |
| 02:36.03 | rm_you | so i just droped it on my desk from about an inch... and it shut off |
| 02:36.14 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 02:36.20 | rm_you | 0.o |
| 02:36.22 | KotCzarny | then it's physical damage |
| 02:36.30 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds bad |
| 02:36.33 | KotCzarny | somethings is loose on the board |
| 02:36.43 | GeneralAntilles | Still under warranty? |
| 02:36.54 | rm_you | sad, because i've never dropped this thing (besides that same inch maybe once or twice) |
| 02:36.59 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: doubt it :/ |
| 02:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's 1 year |
| 02:37.15 | rm_you | bought it on ITT forums used, remember? |
| 02:37.19 | rm_you | no idea |
| 02:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right-o. |
| 02:37.26 | rm_you | that was last july... |
| 02:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | Well, couldn't hurt to call, anyway. |
| 02:37.33 | rm_you | how can i find out? |
| 02:37.36 | rm_you | will they tell me? |
| 02:37.39 | rm_you | i dont have a receipt or anything |
| 02:37.52 | KotCzarny | you can tell you lost it |
| 02:37.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:37.55 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:37.56 | corq-FL | I just upgraded to Hardy on my laptop...my soundcard *works* but the annoying system beep is somehow also enabled, anyone know how to disable the system beep? |
| 02:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | They should |
| 02:37.59 | KotCzarny | at least you can try |
| 02:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | corq-FL, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 02:38.17 | rm_you | corq-FL: in like... the terminal? |
| 02:38.17 | KotCzarny | corq: remove the speaker from the case |
| 02:38.19 | corq-FL | *doh* |
| 02:38.22 | corq-FL | thx sorry |
| 02:38.24 | rm_you | you can disable it in the prefs |
| 02:38.35 | rm_you | "terminal bell" checkbox |
| 02:38.43 | rm_you | it's annoying as hell |
| 02:38.51 | KotCzarny | usefull |
| 02:38.53 | KotCzarny | sometimes |
| 02:39.04 | KotCzarny | if you're afk |
| 02:39.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:40.03 | corq-FL | yay - ah thank you - as it happens my Nokia 810 is working peachy thus far =) |
| 02:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | Visual bell is worse. |
| 02:42.01 | rm_you | Our manufacturing records indicate that your device, serial number 00194F######, may not be in warranty. Please visit our Warranty section or reference your purchase documentation for detailed information about your device's limited warranty. If you determine that your device is within the warranty period, a copy of the proof of purchase is required for repair. |
| 02:42.13 | KotCzarny | ah, well |
| 02:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | orly? |
| 02:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 02:43.00 | rm_you | that's what their support site says |
| 02:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | Friend up mine just had his fixed after the faceplate fell off |
| 02:43.12 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't need proof of purchase. |
| 02:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 02:43.28 | KotCzarny | worth a shot |
| 02:43.41 | KotCzarny | online sale or lost receipt way |
| 02:43.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:44.13 | KotCzarny | in the worst case you can get back money for parts |
| 02:44.17 | rm_you | hrm |
| 02:44.18 | KotCzarny | (on ebay) |
| 02:44.25 | rm_you | i could always open it up and try to find the problem |
| 02:44.34 | rm_you | and take a soldering iron to it, if it's a loose connection |
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| 02:44.38 | KotCzarny | only after calling nokia |
| 02:44.48 | KotCzarny | and thheir refusal to take it |
| 02:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | Good luck with that. |
| 02:46.38 | rm_you | well |
| 02:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | Just remember to follow thoughtfix's disassembly instructions and be VERY careful with the LCD connector. |
| 02:47.17 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do me a favor... turn one of your n800s off, take out the battery/SD cards |
| 02:47.23 | rm_you | and shake it near your ear |
| 02:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | OFF? |
| 02:47.32 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 02:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | But my uptime. ;_; |
| 02:47.42 | rm_you | and tell me if you hear something rattling |
| 02:47.47 | rm_you | towards the DPAD area |
| 02:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | One's 250 miles south with my sister, anyway. :P |
| 02:47.56 | GeneralAntilles | 'course |
| 02:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | The buttons are loose. |
| 02:48.09 | rm_you | not the buttons |
| 02:48.14 | rm_you | i'm holding all those down tight |
| 02:48.22 | KotCzarny | rm_you: no rattling |
| 02:48.27 | GeneralAntilles | The internal card latch? |
| 02:48.30 | KotCzarny | but i didn't turn it off |
| 02:48.34 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no |
| 02:48.35 | pupnik | i really hate the folks who buy PSPs, NDSs and Iphones and then feel all clever because they broke the license agreement |
| 02:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 02:48.46 | Navi | pupnik, woo \o/ |
| 02:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's still a rattle |
| 02:49.07 | rm_you | pupnik: i greatly enjoyed breaking the license agreement on my DS when i installed DSLinux ^_^ |
| 02:49.09 | KotCzarny | pupnik: and then fail at the next firmware update? |
| 02:49.10 | Navi | I want to buy a PSP to break the license agreement |
| 02:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | With both the sd latch and buttons held down |
| 02:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe the camera wire. |
| 02:49.38 | pupnik | well breaking the license agreement is ok. just ... the mfgrs closed system sucks |
| 02:49.41 | pupnik | sorry i am incoherent |
| 02:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | puts his N800 back together. |
| 02:49.55 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yeah i think you're right |
| 02:50.10 | rm_you | i pulled out the camera and it still rattled, but then i turned it all the way around and it stopped the rattle |
| 02:53.24 | rm_you | yeah ok, i dont know if it's a good idea, but recent testing shows that repeatedly smacking the n800 lightly against my hand from about two inches away *will* make it reboot |
| 02:53.57 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 02:54.10 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: want to try with yours and see if you can replicate my issue? :P |
| 02:54.15 | rm_you | rofl |
| 02:54.27 | KotCzarny | rm_you: i was carrying mine in backpack whole day |
| 02:54.34 | KotCzarny | and it didn't reboot |
| 02:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | I've done it getting the battery out. |
| 02:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | No, it doesn't |
| 02:54.50 | GeneralAntilles | and I've dropped it onto hard floors more than once |
| 02:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | No dice. :P |
| 02:54.52 | KotCzarny | and my backpack is quite hard place to live :> |
| 02:55.28 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 02:55.35 | rm_you | i can't find a number for nokia |
| 02:55.39 | rm_you | so soldering iron it is |
| 02:56.12 | KotCzarny | how good are you with smds ? |
| 02:56.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | 1-800-1URFAULT |
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| 03:06.25 | woodwizzle | can you uninstall official aps? |
| 03:06.29 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:06.39 | woodwizzle | oh cool |
| 03:07.13 | KotCzarny | but some of them are critical |
| 03:07.22 | KotCzarny | and you better know what you are doing |
| 03:07.28 | woodwizzle | I don't have an n810, but I'm considering it, however I know I'd be using unofficial GPS and Media players, I wanted to make sure I could install those and uninstall the originals |
| 03:07.49 | woodwizzle | otherwise I'd run out of space on the built in 2gigs |
| 03:07.56 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:08.07 | KotCzarny | out of space? |
| 03:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | The internal card isn't used for application installation. |
| 03:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | Well, except for caching by Application manager. |
| 03:08.41 | woodwizzle | oh, apps are installed on the sd card? |
| 03:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Everything install onto the internal 256MB flash. |
| 03:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 03:09.06 | woodwizzle | oh, doesn't that run out quick? |
| 03:09.08 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: some are putting data there |
| 03:09.15 | KotCzarny | like maemo-mapper |
| 03:09.24 | KotCzarny | but it's all application configurable |
| 03:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | There are three things in the N810: the internal 256MB of flash for the OS and applications, the 2GB internal card (soldered on SD card), and the external minisd slot |
| 03:09.30 | KotCzarny | most often |
| 03:09.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not particularly |
| 03:09.37 | GeneralAntilles | It really depends on what you install |
| 03:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | You can always boot from a partition on either one of the cards. |
| 03:10.12 | GeneralAntilles | or extend the rootfs to them |
| 03:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | So it's really not an issue. |
| 03:14.12 | woodwizzle | Cool cool. |
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| 03:25.19 | woodwizzle | It is posible to play ogg and flac by installing an external package right? |
| 03:25.25 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:25.42 | KotCzarny | treat it as a laptop |
| 03:26.11 | KotCzarny | with linux of course |
| 03:26.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:26.32 | KotCzarny | and go to maemo.org |
| 03:26.44 | KotCzarny | for info and software packages |
| 03:26.46 | woodwizzle | Yeah I'm there now. |
| 03:26.59 | KotCzarny | also to garage.maemo.org |
| 03:27.07 | KotCzarny | it's more experimental software |
| 03:27.16 | oob | linux!? but our Novell salesman assured us that Linux doesn't have approval from Microsoft so we shouldn't use it |
| 03:27.44 | KotCzarny | life |
| 03:27.57 | KotCzarny | people hack iphones |
| 03:28.21 | KotCzarny | people hack psps |
| 03:29.40 | woodwizzle | Can it run standard elf binaries? I'd like to put adom on there ;) |
| 03:29.53 | KotCzarny | standard, no, because it's arm |
| 03:30.06 | KotCzarny | but you shouldn't have much trouble compiling the sources for it |
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| 03:31.07 | woodwizzle | adom isn't open source :( |
| 03:31.20 | woodwizzle | my one free as in beer but not as in speech weak spot |
| 03:31.26 | KotCzarny | then you can ask the author to cross compile for armel |
| 03:31.52 | woodwizzle | I'll probably be fine with wesnoth, openttd, and nethack =) |
| 03:32.21 | KotCzarny | you can try running dosemu |
| 03:32.26 | KotCzarny | and dos version of adom.. |
| 03:32.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:32.43 | KotCzarny | if you are really desperate |
| 03:32.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:37.17 | woodwizzle | thats pretty cool |
| 03:37.51 | woodwizzle | I had been saving up for an eee pc, but I'm thinking about getting an n810 now instead. |
| 03:37.59 | KotCzarny | why not n800 ? |
| 03:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | How important is pocketability? |
| 03:39.30 | woodwizzle | I'm not sure. I have a laptop that is about 13.3in. I know I want smaller and more linux friendly than that. I'm not sure if an eee is small enough though. I can see some situations where I would only have a pocketable device that I would use |
| 03:40.10 | KotCzarny | how much cpu will you need? |
| 03:40.24 | woodwizzle | Maybe settling a bet in a bar. Looking up an obscure 8-ball rule on the net. (though this of course requires available wifi). I like the idea of it as a portable multimedia player too. |
| 03:40.25 | KotCzarny | ie. do you plan playing 3d games? |
| 03:40.26 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | The Eee isn't at all pocketable, and its formfactor greatly limits (read: eliminates) any real mobile usability. |
| 03:40.40 | woodwizzle | Though the 8gb limit isn't quite the ammount I would like |
| 03:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | ebooks are awesome, too. |
| 03:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | SD cards will get bigger |
| 03:40.51 | KotCzarny | erm. what 8gb limit? |
| 03:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | The 16s will be out soon. |
| 03:41.08 | woodwizzle | I read that the n810 could only handle an 8gb card |
| 03:41.12 | GeneralAntilles | 32s by the end of summer. |
| 03:41.13 | KotCzarny | old news |
| 03:41.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:41.19 | GeneralAntilles | That's what Nokia tested it with |
| 03:41.19 | KotCzarny | it will support ANY sdhc card |
| 03:41.30 | KotCzarny | (roughly) |
| 03:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | The hardware limit is 2048GB |
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| 03:41.39 | KotCzarny | because there may be incompatibilities |
| 03:41.48 | KotCzarny | but if storage space is an issue get n800 |
| 03:41.50 | KotCzarny | (2 sd slots) |
| 03:41.53 | KotCzarny | regular ones |
| 03:41.57 | KotCzarny | not mini sd |
| 03:42.09 | KotCzarny | so: cheaper sd cards |
| 03:42.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:42.19 | KotCzarny | and more storage space |
| 03:42.43 | rm_you | n800 > n810 imo |
| 03:42.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:42.53 | woodwizzle | Yeah I saw that, I dunno if I'm willing to give up the keyboard though. Also I like GPS a lot. |
| 03:42.59 | KotCzarny | n810 is a little step backward and to the side |
| 03:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | The GPS on the N810 sucks. |
| 03:43.06 | KotCzarny | get bt gps |
| 03:43.08 | rm_you | woodwizzle: buy an external bluetooth GPS for $60 |
| 03:43.09 | KotCzarny | and you're done |
| 03:43.12 | GeneralAntilles | Better off with a Bluetooth GPS |
| 03:43.19 | rm_you | it's WAY better than the n810 internal |
| 03:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | That has a quarter of the acquisition time, can get and hold a lock indoors, and has much better accuracy overall |
| 03:43.56 | woodwizzle | Is the n800 pocketable? I know the 810 is smaller |
| 03:44.00 | KotCzarny | not much |
| 03:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, and, optionally, run at 5Hz |
| 03:44.02 | rm_you | woodwizzle: i do it |
| 03:44.03 | KotCzarny | they're comparable |
| 03:44.05 | GeneralAntilles | They're both plenty pocketable. |
| 03:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is mostly longer. |
| 03:44.13 | KotCzarny | few mm at most |
| 03:44.16 | woodwizzle | run at 5hz? |
| 03:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | As opposed to 1Hz |
| 03:44.28 | woodwizzle | what do you mean? |
| 03:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Update rate |
| 03:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | of the GPS |
| 03:44.40 | woodwizzle | ah |
| 03:44.47 | rm_you | woodwizzle: i pocket my n800 in a normal pair of jeans... |
| 03:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2258/1618802881_97ed377747.jpg |
| 03:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | Both are perfectly pocketable. |
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| 03:46.00 | woodwizzle | Its about $150 cheaper too |
| 03:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | $200 USD is the price I would shoot for for the N800. |
| 03:46.32 | rm_you | yeah, but an n800 for $200, bt GPS/Keyboard = ~$100 extra |
| 03:46.40 | rm_you | and you get a better GPS and keyboard |
| 03:46.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:46.49 | KotCzarny | kb is 25$ |
| 03:46.53 | woodwizzle | amason has it fo 241 |
| 03:47.01 | rm_you | i said "~" |
| 03:47.01 | Navi | you can get a usb keyboard for 15 |
| 03:47.01 | KotCzarny | VERY good gps is 95$ |
| 03:47.11 | KotCzarny | bt kb (25$) |
| 03:47.12 | rm_you | VERY good gps is $60 |
| 03:47.13 | woodwizzle | a bt keyboard is not pocketable |
| 03:47.22 | rm_you | woodwizzle: this one is |
| 03:47.22 | KotCzarny | rm_you: chipset? |
| 03:47.31 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: i disagree |
| 03:47.38 | KotCzarny | google for igo ultra-slim |
| 03:47.57 | rm_you | KotCzarny: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858702003 |
| 03:48.14 | rm_you | i have this one, it's amazing |
| 03:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | iTrek is boring |
| 03:48.29 | KotCzarny | "waiting for newegg.com..." |
| 03:48.29 | rm_you | cold-lock in < 30s, hot-lock in < 10s |
| 03:48.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | Get one of the i-blues |
| 03:48.42 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: cheap and nice |
| 03:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | i-blues offer 5Hz |
| 03:49.01 | rm_you | linky? |
| 03:49.18 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i don't know how GPS could get better than this thing >_> |
| 03:49.32 | GeneralAntilles | They're the same chipset |
| 03:49.41 | rm_you | ok |
| 03:49.47 | rm_you | so how is that one better? :P |
| 03:49.51 | GeneralAntilles | 5hz |
| 03:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | or solar with the 757 |
| 03:50.01 | rm_you | how does that make gps better? :P |
| 03:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | or internal memory with the 747 |
| 03:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | 5hz gives you better accuracy. |
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| 03:50.25 | KotCzarny | sdio based gps would be a hit |
| 03:50.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:50.26 | rm_you | this thing is ridiculously accurate |
| 03:50.29 | rm_you | like i said... |
| 03:50.34 | rm_you | i don't know how GPS could get better than this thing >_> |
| 03:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | 5hz > 1hz |
| 03:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/i-Trek-M7-Bluetooth-Receiver-15hrs/dp/B0013CHFK2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207021818&sr=8-1 |
| 03:51.01 | rm_you | but... it tracks me within like 1 foot |
| 03:51.17 | GeneralAntilles | So does mine. |
| 03:51.19 | rm_you | ... |
| 03:51.20 | rm_you | right |
| 03:51.24 | rm_you | so how is that better?! |
| 03:51.25 | elb | you don't have any GPS tracking within 1 foot |
| 03:51.29 | elb | if it's telling you that, it's lying |
| 03:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | 5hz updates more often. |
| 03:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | So you get cleaner tracks and better accuracy through turns. |
| 03:51.52 | woodwizzle | which ones cheaper |
| 03:51.55 | rm_you | elb: I walk outside, i look at gps, i look at my surroundings, i determine it's within +/- 1 foot |
| 03:52.08 | rm_you | elb: it didn't tell me that, I decided that :P |
| 03:52.09 | Proteous | plops out his epeen to join the debate |
| 03:52.28 | GeneralAntilles | The map isn't accurate enough to determine that kind of accuracy. :P |
| 03:52.39 | elb | if you're talking about relative GPS (with a fixed ground station for reference) you should be able to get fractions of an inch |
| 03:52.57 | Proteous | I'm talking about second cousin GPS |
| 03:52.59 | elb | but GPS signals simply don't have enough accuracy to give you 1' resolution, even with corrective data from WAAS etc. |
| 03:53.00 | Proteous | does that count? |
| 03:53.12 | rm_you | google sattelite map shows me when i'm under my porch, which is about 3ft wide, lol |
| 03:53.20 | KotCzarny | proteous: you track your cousin? |
| 03:53.22 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 03:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | woodwizzle, get the M7 from semsons here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0013CHFK2/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1207021818&sr=8-1 |
| 03:53.25 | KotCzarny | sick! |
| 03:53.31 | Proteous | yeah, with relative GPS |
| 03:53.39 | elb | rm_you: any particular given location might be within 1' at any particular given time |
| 03:53.43 | KotCzarny | relatively sick! |
| 03:53.48 | Proteous | sic |
| 03:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | Proteous has a sick, sick mind. |
| 03:54.00 | elb | but GPS doesn't give you a single location, it gives you a probability distribution for a location |
| 03:54.09 | Proteous | I could be on mars |
| 03:54.12 | Proteous | GPS wouldn't tell me that |
| 03:54.37 | elb | and the best you can hope for is about 9' |
| 03:54.51 | elb | (with 95% probability, if I recall correctly) |
| 03:54.52 | rm_you | i have no idea what the statistics on this thing are... i'm just telling you my real-world observations |
| 03:54.58 | Proteous | depends on if GPS has been degraded by the military |
| 03:55.09 | elb | it hasn't |
| 03:55.10 | rm_you | and frankly, i don't *care* about the specs, as long as the real-world observations are this good :P |
| 03:55.20 | woodwizzle | how big are those recievers? Could I fit the reciever and the n800 in the same pocket or same case (preferably with a belt clip) |
| 03:55.25 | Proteous | if it can direct me to the fridge to find beer then I don't care |
| 03:55.27 | elb | if you stand on your porch for a few minutes, you should see yourself drifting out from under it |
| 03:55.33 | Proteous | (sometimes I get lost) |
| 03:55.44 | Proteous | I had that happen to me elb |
| 03:55.46 | elb | anyway, you're welcome to believe whatever you want -- just don't try to count on it for resolution better than a few yards |
| 03:55.55 | Proteous | but I had eaten some moldy stuff from the fridge right before |
| 03:56.01 | GeneralAntilles | woodwizzle, I usually carry mine in a watchpocket when I take it with me. |
| 03:56.25 | woodwizzle | You mean that little mini jean pocket? |
| 03:56.29 | woodwizzle | Thats not bad at all |
| 03:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Right. |
| 03:56.39 | Proteous | I keep my phone in there when I have me 770 in my pocket |
| 03:57.03 | Proteous | and I'm talking like a pirate it seems |
| 03:57.07 | oob | so you do GeneralAntilles, so you do; http://www.eholster.com/eholsters1.html |
| 03:57.18 | woodwizzle | I have yet to find a n800 for $200 |
| 03:57.23 | Proteous | arr, I keeps me phone in theres when I be out to sea |
| 03:57.25 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: froogle |
| 03:57.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:57.26 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:57.26 | rm_you | wow, it DOES fit in my watch-pocket |
| 03:57.29 | rm_you | crazy :P |
| 03:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | Stylish and functional! |
| 03:57.36 | KotCzarny | i have seen one for ~190 |
| 03:57.37 | rm_you | i never knew what that stupid tiny pocket was for :P |
| 03:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | Watches, of course! |
| 03:57.49 | KotCzarny | rm_you: it's for condoms |
| 03:57.51 | KotCzarny | of course |
| 03:58.00 | rm_you | woodwizzle: about two weeks ago i saw one for $180 |
| 03:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | Some people like to use it for change. <_< |
| 03:58.06 | elb | that dude is a nerd |
| 03:58.14 | elb | I demand a shoulder holster, though |
| 03:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | elb, that would be me, except it'd be a 9mm in there. :P |
| 03:58.46 | elb | well, I carry a .40 |
| 03:58.46 | oob | a nerd sporting the very latest in portable haute couture |
| 03:58.49 | elb | but yeah |
| 03:58.54 | rm_you | woah, sweet: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-miniSync-Retractable-Charge-Cable/dp/B000UOO7NW/ref=pd_sim_dbs_e_title_5 |
| 03:59.08 | elb | dressing up just isn't the same with an IWB |
| 03:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 04:04.22 | woodwizzle | How good is the bluetooth on these things? |
| 04:04.42 | woodwizzle | I mean can I use a stereo bluetooth headset and a bluetooth gps and keyboard all at the same time? |
| 04:05.45 | elb | gps is very low rate |
| 04:06.12 | elb | bluetooth is designed to handle more than one headset |
| 04:06.25 | elb | now, I dunno about the Nokia itself |
| 04:08.24 | oob | i've had a bluetooth odb-II tool, phone and keyboard connected concurrently without encountering any issues |
| 04:08.40 | oob | i'd say the odb-II is quite high rate |
| 04:08.53 | woodwizzle | Nice |
| 04:09.46 | woodwizzle | the n800 can do 2 sdhc cards too. Is 16gb the biggest out now? I could get 2 of those for about $60 each. and That gives me the same amount of space as the $500 i touch |
| 04:10.00 | rm_you | oob: where did you buy your odb-II? |
| 04:10.18 | rm_you | woodwizzle: i think 32gb will be out soon... |
| 04:10.41 | Proteous | I modded a retractable USB cable to make it more pocketable: http://mike.ogaz.org/files/usbretract5.jpg |
| 04:10.50 | oob | rm_you, http://www.kbmsystems.net/ |
| 04:11.05 | GeneralAntilles | obd-ii is quite cool |
| 04:11.12 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think the data rate is high at all, though. |
| 04:11.17 | rm_you | yeah, i need one... |
| 04:11.22 | rm_you | my car does... odd things sometimes |
| 04:11.25 | woodwizzle | what is obd-ii ? |
| 04:11.39 | oob | no? it seems to poll a lot of sensors |
| 04:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe somewhere in the range of 50Kbps? |
| 04:11.54 | oob | woodwizzle, an interface to onboard car computers |
| 04:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the car, though, I suppose. |
| 04:12.06 | woodwizzle | oh, i know what you mean. |
| 04:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | oob, it's not like there's a lot of data there. |
| 04:12.08 | rm_you | woodwizzle: you plug it into most modern cars (they have a strange looking jack somewhere under a plastic panel usually) and it reads all your car's sensors |
| 04:12.12 | oob | true |
| 04:12.38 | oob | woodwizzle, http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ |
| 04:12.41 | rm_you | about a year ago i had 4 of 5 of my cylinders misfiring >_< |
| 04:13.35 | Proteous | the wierdest thing was that his engine just has 3 cylinders |
| 04:14.20 | woodwizzle | Man that is wicked! |
| 04:14.32 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:14.39 | rm_you | wow, this is expensive >_> $170 |
| 04:14.51 | oob | woodwizzle, until someone hacks your n810 and tells your automatic that it in fact has a manual transmission.. |
| 04:14.57 | rm_you | lol |
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| 04:19.00 | oob | rm_you, compared to some of the other odb-II interfaces it's better because it's very short |
| 04:19.14 | rm_you | yes |
| 04:19.29 | rm_you | the other ones i saw were all serial interface with bluetooth attachments sold seperately |
| 04:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | I paid $100 for mine. |
| 04:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | Just a rs-232 adaptor, basically. |
| 04:20.25 | oob | this is good for instance in an audi s8, as it fits in the port under the ashtray and doesn't block the sliding door from closing |
| 04:20.48 | rm_you | oob: you just leave it in there all the time? |
| 04:20.58 | rm_you | or just use it for periodic maintenance checks? |
| 04:21.12 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 04:21.19 | KotCzarny | doh, it's late again |
| 04:22.09 | Proteous | don't you hate that |
| 04:22.15 | KotCzarny | a little |
| 04:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | People with S8s? Yes. :P |
| 04:22.51 | oob | rm_you, the carman application provides realtime monitoring, which is detail that's pertinent when driving, so I have it on when i'm in the car |
| 04:22.59 | woodwizzle | How good is the battery life on an n800 compared to an n810? |
| 04:23.02 | oob | ha! |
| 04:23.10 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: similiar |
| 04:23.13 | Navi | Does carman still perform horribly on the N8X0s? |
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| 04:23.23 | KotCzarny | they're nearly the same hw |
| 04:23.34 | Proteous | one has a keyboard on GPS |
| 04:23.44 | KotCzarny | disfunctional gps |
| 04:23.48 | Proteous | heh |
| 04:23.49 | KotCzarny | so it doesn't count |
| 04:24.02 | KotCzarny | and kb takes nearly no power |
| 04:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | woodwizzle, they're the same. |
| 04:24.07 | Proteous | it has cell assisted GPS but doesn't have cell phone functionality |
| 04:24.08 | woodwizzle | ok |
| 04:24.09 | KotCzarny | unless you count leds |
| 04:24.10 | GeneralAntilles | The guts aren't really different. |
| 04:24.27 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, haven't tried it with OS2008 yet |
| 04:24.31 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect it'll be better. |
| 04:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't actually "horrible" in OS2007 either way |
| 04:24.56 | Proteous | ramping up the processor speed never helped battery life before... |
| 04:25.22 | GeneralAntilles | They have frequency scaling now. |
| 04:25.26 | KotCzarny | but dsp is lowered |
| 04:25.27 | rm_you | Proteous: actually, it ends up being similar... higher cpu for shorter time, vs lower cpu for longer time |
| 04:25.28 | oob | navi - i've only used it on os2008 so can't compare but anecdotally, i find the performance acceptable |
| 04:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | So, most of the time, it's actually running a lot slower than OS2007. |
| 04:25.56 | rm_you | also, yes, good cpu scaling now... |
| 04:25.58 | Proteous | I see |
| 04:26.22 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007 was 330MHz all the time. |
| 04:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | Now we're 165MHz most of the time with trips to 400MHz |
| 04:26.36 | Proteous | damn 330 haters |
| 04:26.47 | KotCzarny | 330/220 |
| 04:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, think any performance issues were really ones with the slow serial interface that is OBD-II, anyway. |
| 04:27.01 | Proteous | 330MHz all the time was good enough for OS2007, it good enough for you! |
| 04:27.08 | KotCzarny | disabled that mode and is 400/133 now |
| 04:27.50 | Proteous | I found a trick to get my 770 to run at 0Mhz |
| 04:27.52 | KotCzarny | rm_you: you mean overclocking to 500mhz would consume same power? |
| 04:27.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:27.55 | Proteous | I just leave it on for a day |
| 04:28.32 | rm_you | KotCzarny: no :P lol |
| 04:29.44 | KotCzarny | ok, time for some c coding |
| 04:29.45 | rm_you | KotCzarny: assuming the same task though, the same number of CPU cycles will be required in the long run, so if you need 5000 cpu cycles to complete a calculation, it will run at 400mhz for a shorter time than on 330mhz... so even though it draws more power per time unit, it runs for less time units :P so it is close to even generally |
| 04:30.06 | KotCzarny | rm_you: i was kidding :) |
| 04:30.14 | rm_you | yeah, and i was feeling long-winded :P |
| 04:30.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | Race-to-idle |
| 04:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | Is the concept. |
| 04:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | Get down to the lowest voltage as quickly as possible. |
| 04:31.10 | KotCzarny | runs his pentium-m at 0.7v all the time |
| 04:31.31 | KotCzarny | well, 0.732 |
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| 04:31.38 | rm_you | the same thing applies to laptop harddrives... for a long time everyone had 5400rpm drives, because they were lower power... but they also need to spin longer... so it really doesn't make a power difference. though, there is a slight heat difference <_< |
| 04:31.46 | Proteous | just does his binary calculations on a adder he built from legos |
| 04:32.07 | KotCzarny | rm_you: i have swapped hdd for a ide--double cf solution |
| 04:32.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:32.19 | KotCzarny | *an |
| 04:32.33 | KotCzarny | less power, less noise |
| 04:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | smashes Proteous's legos. |
| 04:32.50 | KotCzarny | and less capacity |
| 04:32.53 | rm_you | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A :P |
| 04:32.54 | KotCzarny | but 12gb is enough |
| 04:32.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:33.00 | woodwizzle | Has anyone installed wesnoth on their maemo device? |
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| 04:33.12 | opendeep | hi |
| 04:33.25 | Proteous | uses fruitloops on toothpicks for memory, it's non volitile, until he gets too hungry |
| 04:33.26 | KotCzarny | shouldn't it be 'openwide' ? |
| 04:41.41 | woodwizzle | Which is better the I.Trek m5+ or the M7? |
| 04:41.50 | woodwizzle | they look real similar to me |
| 04:41.57 | KotCzarny | then take cheaper |
| 04:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | M7 |
| 04:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | Duh |
| 04:44.22 | woodwizzle | I'll prolly be fine with 16gb until the 32gb comes out. Then in the end I'd have 48 =) |
| 04:44.40 | KotCzarny | only if you get n800 |
| 04:45.36 | woodwizzle | Yeah, well it looks like I'll be going that way |
| 04:45.51 | KotCzarny | you may wait for 810 successor though |
| 04:46.00 | woodwizzle | When would that be announced? |
| 04:46.06 | KotCzarny | who knows |
| 04:46.10 | woodwizzle | ugh |
| 04:47.28 | woodwizzle | 48-64gb would be more than enough for me, and its more than I could get with an eee with its one slot. the external gps ain't all that bad, especially since its a better quality device |
| 04:47.37 | woodwizzle | who makes the best n800 case? |
| 04:48.09 | KotCzarny | get a case that will fit n800 and gps/kb |
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| 04:48.33 | woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Do you know of one? |
| 04:48.37 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:48.45 | woodwizzle | the few cases i've seen so far don't look to have room for the gps |
| 04:48.51 | KotCzarny | some people suggested harddrive cases |
| 04:48.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | woodwizzle, case logic has a portable harddrive case that if perfect for N800 + iGo |
| 04:49.30 | Italodance | hi guys :D |
| 04:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | or N800 + GPS, cables, memory cards, headset, etc. |
| 04:50.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's in with the hard drives at best buy |
| 04:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | so you can go look at it |
| 04:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | The DS cases aren't bad for the N800, though, either. |
| 04:50.50 | woodwizzle | is this the igo you're talking about? http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207025384&sr=8-3 |
| 04:51.09 | BugBlue | moin |
| 04:52.28 | KotCzarny | i have this one |
| 04:52.37 | KotCzarny | works hum ok ;) |
| 04:53.05 | KotCzarny | most probably key lag is because of bt power saving on the nokia |
| 04:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 04:59.02 | woodwizzle | can the n800 do video chat with skype? |
| 04:59.07 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 04:59.18 | KotCzarny | but with gizmo probably yes |
| 04:59.18 | woodwizzle | Arrrgggh!!! |
| 04:59.28 | woodwizzle | All my friends are on skype |
| 04:59.29 | KotCzarny | gizmo is standard sip client |
| 04:59.34 | KotCzarny | well |
| 04:59.41 | KotCzarny | camera on nokias suck anyway |
| 04:59.43 | KotCzarny | trust me |
| 04:59.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:59.56 | woodwizzle | Yeah but its better than nothing |
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| 05:00.07 | woodwizzle | how good is the still camera? is it better than a camera phone? |
| 05:00.23 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:00.34 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 05:00.44 | KotCzarny | but i'll give it 3.5/10 |
| 05:00.52 | woodwizzle | lol |
| 05:01.55 | woodwizzle | Its so nice to have so many device in 1. But 3rd rate gps. Crummy photo quality, etc makes it almost worth while to just get seperate devices |
| 05:02.03 | woodwizzle | not to mention I gotta carry my phone with me too |
| 05:02.17 | KotCzarny | it's not a phone |
| 05:02.19 | KotCzarny | remember |
| 05:02.25 | woodwizzle | i know |
| 05:02.28 | KotCzarny | many people try to treat it as a phone |
| 05:02.32 | woodwizzle | but dammit its nokia |
| 05:02.32 | KotCzarny | and give low ratings |
| 05:03.13 | KotCzarny | well, i have n-gage anyway |
| 05:03.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:03.25 | woodwizzle | nice |
| 05:03.34 | KotCzarny | classic of course |
| 05:03.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 05:05.03 | woodwizzle | Its still cheaper than an iTouch in the end. Even with the external blue tooth and buying the mem cards to make it the same size |
| 05:05.20 | KotCzarny | and you can reuse bt and cards later |
| 05:05.26 | Italodance | KotCzarny i like n-gage :D |
| 05:05.26 | woodwizzle | And portable wesnoth makes me very happy |
| 05:06.28 | woodwizzle | Are there any must-have accessories that I haven't thought of? |
| 05:06.38 | KotCzarny | maybe external battery? |
| 05:06.42 | woodwizzle | that'll i end up having to buy later |
| 05:06.51 | woodwizzle | does it have that option??? |
| 05:07.04 | KotCzarny | it takes 5V |
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| 05:07.26 | KotCzarny | so anything that can provide 5v via standard plug should work i think |
| 05:07.35 | KotCzarny | haven't tested it though |
| 05:07.53 | woodwizzle | You woulda tested it if it was a gotta have =) |
| 05:08.15 | KotCzarny | at 100% cpu with wifi battery is drained in 3-4h |
| 05:08.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:08.33 | Italodance | KotCzarny new n-gage games can work with urs ? |
| 05:08.40 | Italodance | like Fifa 08 |
| 05:08.46 | KotCzarny | italodance: i don't know, probably not |
| 05:08.54 | woodwizzle | thats pretty rough. But i would use it as an mp3 player quite a bit with no wifi or screen |
| 05:09.01 | woodwizzle | thats about 10hrs i hear |
| 05:09.08 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 05:09.17 | Italodance | KotCzarny i want Fifa 08 for IT :D possible? |
| 05:09.30 | KotCzarny | italodance: don't know, probably not |
| 05:09.44 | woodwizzle | Anyone play games on the n800? or do you guys just stick with your ngages |
| 05:09.53 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: pupnik.de |
| 05:10.07 | KotCzarny | quite a few emulators/games |
| 05:10.09 | rm_you | woodwizzle: doom! :P |
| 05:10.18 | rm_you | woodwizzle: "lxdoom" |
| 05:10.45 | woodwizzle | Doom is ok. I'd prefer something with a bigger multiplayer community |
| 05:10.50 | woodwizzle | like saurbraten |
| 05:10.55 | woodwizzle | or open arena |
| 05:11.01 | KotCzarny | or quake2? |
| 05:11.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:11.11 | woodwizzle | true |
| 05:11.19 | KotCzarny | there's q2 for n8x0 |
| 05:11.28 | woodwizzle | How is the 3d? |
| 05:11.34 | KotCzarny | sotware rendered |
| 05:11.36 | KotCzarny | but fast |
| 05:11.42 | woodwizzle | uses the CPU then |
| 05:12.24 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh2Os0D8pY |
| 05:12.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:13.33 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-dx5ZE4G_0&NR=1 |
| 05:13.34 | KotCzarny | LOL |
| 05:13.40 | Italodance | FIFA 08 ? |
| 05:15.24 | woodwizzle | How hard would it be to compile open arena or saurbraten for the m800 |
| 05:15.43 | KotCzarny | compilation, shouldn't be a problem |
| 05:15.50 | KotCzarny | game speed could ;) |
| 05:17.15 | woodwizzle | http://openarena.ws/?about |
| 05:17.45 | woodwizzle | says it can run on real slow CPUs but recommends 233mhz with more than 90mb of ram |
| 05:17.57 | woodwizzle | which is less specs than then n800 |
| 05:18.20 | woodwizzle | but they also say there are using a hardware video card with at least 8MB ram |
| 05:18.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:18.48 | KotCzarny | sorry, no drivers for hardware 3d |
| 05:18.50 | KotCzarny | for now |
| 05:19.15 | woodwizzle | poop |
| 05:19.21 | KotCzarny | a little |
| 05:19.45 | tsukasa | hey is there an emulator for n800? |
| 05:19.52 | tsukasa | like windows emulator |
| 05:19.58 | tsukasa | that runs n800 |
| 05:20.02 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 05:20.05 | tsukasa | where at? |
| 05:20.06 | KotCzarny | it's included with sdk |
| 05:20.10 | tsukasa | cool |
| 05:20.42 | KotCzarny | it's more an simulator than emulator though |
| 05:20.46 | tsukasa | ? |
| 05:21.20 | KotCzarny | same story as with symbian sdk |
| 05:21.41 | KotCzarny | you get an environment that simulates the device |
| 05:22.20 | woodwizzle | hmm.. Gotta check the specs. Something like Assault Cube might be doable |
| 05:22.24 | tsukasa | how is that different/better/worst then an emulator? |
| 05:22.34 | KotCzarny | runs fast |
| 05:22.34 | woodwizzle | How do you control doom and quake? Do you need a bluetooth mouse? |
| 05:22.35 | Italodance | tsukasa where are u from? |
| 05:22.42 | KotCzarny | because actual code is compiled for x86 |
| 05:22.44 | tsukasa | Italodance, texas |
| 05:22.50 | Italodance | ok :D |
| 05:22.56 | KotCzarny | so you can test how developed app feels like |
| 05:23.04 | KotCzarny | and you can test for bugs |
| 05:23.07 | tsukasa | KotCzarny, so it functions the same just on a diff arch |
| 05:23.12 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 05:23.21 | tsukasa | KotCzarny, the entire os and everything is there and works tho right |
| 05:23.23 | KotCzarny | but it doesn't have dsp emulation |
| 05:23.36 | KotCzarny | so anything trying to speak directly to hardware will fail |
| 05:23.46 | KotCzarny | tsukasa: yes |
| 05:23.49 | tsukasa | cool |
| 05:23.50 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 05:24.05 | KotCzarny | but you can't run arm binaries on it |
| 05:24.15 | tsukasa | yeah.. |
| 05:24.40 | KotCzarny | that's why it's simulator |
| 05:24.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:24.56 | KotCzarny | never used it though |
| 05:25.08 | KotCzarny | i just mount my pc's dir via sshfs and run directly on device |
| 05:25.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:25.09 | tsukasa | does the n800 have ir? |
| 05:25.12 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 05:25.20 | tsukasa | thats sucks |
| 05:25.23 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 05:25.33 | tsukasa | because otherwise it could be a universal remote too |
| 05:25.39 | KotCzarny | there's usb |
| 05:25.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:25.46 | tsukasa | hey if anyone in here works for nokia |
| 05:25.50 | KotCzarny | usb--irda should work |
| 05:25.57 | tsukasa | a 30cent ir port would be nice |
| 05:26.04 | KotCzarny | space issues? |
| 05:26.04 | tsukasa | i know but it costs like nothing to include |
| 05:26.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:26.06 | tsukasa | i guess |
| 05:26.20 | tsukasa | the added functionality is worth it imo |
| 05:26.20 | KotCzarny | it's already packed up to the top |
| 05:26.33 | KotCzarny | consider this: |
| 05:26.53 | KotCzarny | they have to throw out sd slots from n800 to make additional features fit into n810 |
| 05:27.03 | Cptnodegard | sure |
| 05:27.11 | KotCzarny | *had |
| 05:27.13 | tsukasa | gps is slightly more involved then ir though, im guessing |
| 05:27.23 | Cptnodegard | they removed them to make it thing and pointless, macbook aiur style |
| 05:27.41 | KotCzarny | n800 ftw! |
| 05:28.04 | tsukasa | KotCzarny, also consider the other side of the argument, you spend like $250 for a logitech harmony which is a universal remote with touchscreen with enough space to save like 50 configurations |
| 05:28.16 | tsukasa | or you add a 30 cent ir attachment to the n800 and your done |
| 05:28.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:28.27 | KotCzarny | tsukasa, as i said usb--irda |
| 05:28.30 | Cptnodegard | but i totally agree that ir port would pwn, there are apps to work as universal remote. a usb thingy isnt a solution either because of the stupid placement of the usb port |
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| 05:28.52 | KotCzarny | is there any bt-irda ? |
| 05:29.21 | tank-man | i think ive seen one |
| 05:29.26 | Cptnodegard | i think so... or wifi ones. that app has to use somethig :p the universal remote one |
| 05:29.31 | tank-man | you can use a ir remote with the ps3 bluetooth |
| 05:30.25 | Cptnodegard | what would pwn would be a to a have an app for a cellphone, working as bt-ir bridge |
| 05:30.41 | Cptnodegard | just leave the cell by the stereo and control from n8x0 |
| 05:30.52 | KotCzarny | not a problem |
| 05:30.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:31.14 | Cptnodegard | thats available? |
| 05:31.15 | KotCzarny | for someone who can program java or symbian ;) |
| 05:31.43 | Cptnodegard | go to work then ;P |
| 05:31.58 | KotCzarny | how much would you pay me? |
| 05:31.59 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 05:32.11 | Cptnodegard | 10000 simoleans? |
| 05:32.23 | KotCzarny | how much it is in EUR ? |
| 05:32.32 | Cptnodegard | 0 |
| 05:32.39 | KotCzarny | not enough then |
| 05:32.40 | Cptnodegard | simoleans are from The Sims |
| 05:32.51 | KotCzarny | never played the sims |
| 05:33.16 | Cptnodegard | i would do it but i cant program my dick to piss straight |
| 05:33.26 | woodwizzle | How fast is the ARM CPU running maemo and all. Does it feel quick? |
| 05:33.35 | KotCzarny | woodwizzle: depends |
| 05:33.40 | KotCzarny | interface is fast |
| 05:33.44 | Cptnodegard | 57mph |
| 05:33.49 | woodwizzle | How about video performance? |
| 05:33.53 | KotCzarny | browser can be slow sometimes |
| 05:33.59 | tank-man | 9.8m/s/s |
| 05:34.04 | Cptnodegard | stuttering no matter how small the video is |
| 05:34.04 | KotCzarny | but there are developed fast versions |
| 05:34.13 | KotCzarny | cpt: not true |
| 05:34.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:34.21 | Cptnodegard | does with me |
| 05:34.26 | KotCzarny | it's all because xomap is reniced to -1 |
| 05:34.31 | Cptnodegard | and from what i can see on itt, it does with others too |
| 05:34.43 | Cptnodegard | the what has donewhat? |
| 05:34.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:36.03 | tank-man | encode your videos with a smaller resolution |
| 05:36.17 | Cptnodegard | the secondary stabilizer in the gyrodane relee has depolarized |
| 05:36.47 | Cptnodegard | 320x240 is small enough, theres still hickups (not constant stuttering) |
| 05:37.15 | tank-man | are you using mplayer ? |
| 05:37.29 | tank-man | or some frontend with that? |
| 05:38.34 | Cptnodegard | mplayer |
| 05:39.27 | KotCzarny | cpt: i have no stuttering with 720x448 vid |
| 05:39.55 | KotCzarny | with content over sshfs |
| 05:39.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:40.18 | Cptnodegard | stuttering or hickups? as what im talking about is playing videos and getting stuttering for 2 secs or so randomly on small videos |
| 05:40.37 | KotCzarny | as i said, renice your xomap to 0 |
| 05:40.43 | KotCzarny | ps ax|grep Xomap |
| 05:40.50 | Cptnodegard | yeah i dunno wtf that means, sorry :) |
| 05:40.54 | KotCzarny | then take first number and: renice -0 number |
| 05:41.07 | tank-man | i didnt have to renice any app |
| 05:41.19 | blafasel | What's xomap anyway? |
| 05:41.24 | KotCzarny | xserver |
| 05:41.51 | Cptnodegard | ops school |
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| 05:50.08 | KotCzarny | btw. |
| 05:50.20 | KotCzarny | there's mplayer .26 on the garage |
| 05:51.14 | KotCzarny | and .25 is completely removed ;) |
| 05:54.25 | Italodance | KotCzarny 25 is better than 26 |
| 05:59.46 | woodwizzle | If I want to see if something compiles for maemo, can I just try to compile it for a maemo emulator? |
| 05:59.58 | woodwizzle | That way I can test if some programs are compatible |
| 05:59.58 | KotCzarny | why? |
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| 06:00.21 | KotCzarny | ah. because you don't have n8x0 yet |
| 06:00.23 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:00.30 | KotCzarny | you can test it in simulator |
| 06:01.22 | woodwizzle | Does it scale to the speed and resolution of the n800? |
| 06:01.35 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 06:01.41 | KotCzarny | you should read docs :) |
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| 06:02.00 | johnx | I'm pretty sure it just emulates away as fast as your host computer is capable of |
| 06:02.28 | KotCzarny | johnx: it's not an emulator |
| 06:02.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:02.44 | johnx | KotCzarny, are you talking about qemu? |
| 06:02.56 | KotCzarny | nope, about x86 target |
| 06:03.02 | KotCzarny | and xephyr |
| 06:03.35 | johnx | ah, why would he test in that though? he asked about an emulator... |
| 06:03.52 | KotCzarny | because he ocnsiders buying IT |
| 06:03.55 | KotCzarny | considers |
| 06:04.07 | KotCzarny | and wanted to test some software first |
| 06:05.18 | johnx | ah, right...I keep forgetting that you can't just compile for arm and run with qemu |
| 06:05.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:05.30 | KotCzarny | you can't |
| 06:05.31 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 06:05.45 | KotCzarny | tries |
| 06:05.50 | johnx | I thought it didn't work all the time? why wouldn't he do that if it works? |
| 06:05.58 | johnx | is confused, wanders off |
| 06:06.03 | johnx | drinks coffee |
| 06:06.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:06.05 | KotCzarny | worked |
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| 06:06.33 | KotCzarny | it wouldn't work if software uses unsupported instructions |
| 06:06.41 | KotCzarny | or just tries to bang on hw |
| 06:07.03 | johnx | right, and most software I've tried ends up hitting unsupported functions, but in theory it works at least |
| 06:07.10 | KotCzarny | upgrade qemu |
| 06:07.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:07.40 | johnx | doesn't care enough... |
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| 06:20.22 | Italodance | wimax is available for n800? |
| 06:20.38 | KotCzarny | in the same way as gsm/gprs/edge |
| 06:23.11 | KotCzarny | {standard input}:10283: Error: co-processor offset out of range |
| 06:23.14 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 06:23.36 | KotCzarny | and it's in.. font_load_ft.c |
| 06:23.39 | KotCzarny | O.o |
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| 06:24.55 | KotCzarny | removing -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp helped |
| 06:24.56 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 06:27.34 | KotCzarny | .26 looks broken hard :/ |
| 06:27.56 | johnx | Italodance, no |
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| 06:29.18 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSY_9H23FyY |
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| 06:32.14 | Italodance | johnx where can i add fonts to n800? |
| 06:32.53 | KotCzarny | http://www.playgizmo.ru/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/pspbig.jpg |
| 06:33.00 | KotCzarny | psp2 concept design |
| 06:33.03 | KotCzarny | sexy |
| 06:34.01 | KotCzarny | http://www.flickr.com/photos/23754022@N08/2257628900/sizes/o/ |
| 06:34.04 | Italodance | KotCzarny nice! |
| 06:34.05 | KotCzarny | bigger res here |
| 06:34.28 | Italodance | KotCzarny where can i add fonts to n800? |
| 06:34.50 | KotCzarny | italodance: /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 06:34.57 | Italodance | tnx |
| 06:34.59 | KotCzarny | somewhere below that dir |
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| 06:35.48 | Italodance | : /fonts/ yes or /usr/share/fonts/Nokia/ ? |
| 06:36.03 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 06:36.07 | KotCzarny | try for yourself |
| 06:36.11 | Italodance | ok |
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| 06:44.02 | KotCzarny | google error |
| 06:44.06 | KotCzarny | Translation from English into English is not supported. |
| 06:44.07 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 06:49.18 | ameng | Hi, can mplayer on your n810 play rmvb video? |
| 06:49.50 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:49.59 | KotCzarny | erm. |
| 06:50.02 | KotCzarny | or maybe not |
| 06:50.12 | KotCzarny | i think it only lists my codecs.conf file |
| 06:50.14 | ameng | mine cannot,why? |
| 06:50.23 | KotCzarny | probably no open source decoder |
| 06:51.19 | ameng | mplayer on my ubuntu pc can play |
| 06:51.27 | KotCzarny | that's different |
| 06:51.38 | KotCzarny | because there's binary codec for x86 |
| 06:51.49 | KotCzarny | few of them even |
| 06:52.14 | ameng | you mean lack of source of the codec for arm to compile? |
| 06:52.19 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:52.25 | KotCzarny | or even lack of binary version |
| 06:52.32 | KotCzarny | released by realmedia |
| 06:53.01 | ameng | :-( |
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| 07:09.18 | woodwizzle | Does maemo have a decent PIM app? |
| 07:09.47 | johnx | kinda, sorta |
| 07:09.56 | inz | openedhand and gpe are trying to fill that gap |
| 07:10.12 | johnx | poke at gpe calendar and openhand pimlico dates and see if they're what you want |
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| 07:10.32 | johnx | PIM is not its strength but I actually like o-hand dates well enough |
| 07:10.38 | wom- | if you use google calendar you can view and add events with this code.google.com/p/googbus |
| 07:10.46 | wom- | its sitll early days for that though |
| 07:11.31 | woodwizzle | dates looks good |
| 07:11.40 | woodwizzle | What about syncing my tomboy notes? |
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| 07:29.19 | Navi | johnx, sadly, development on it's been kind of dead |
| 07:29.50 | Navi | The bug tracker piles up while no svn commits are made |
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| 07:34.44 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yZ0b19E67k |
| 07:34.45 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 07:38.17 | prograf | Today Jamiroquai - High Times Singles 1992 - 2006 |
| 07:39.39 | KotCzarny | http://blog.abrenna.com/formal-protest-against-norways-yes-to-ooxml/ |
| 07:39.40 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 07:46.29 | inz | jott, I wonder if vte 0.16 would bring anything new and fancy |
| 07:46.58 | inz | jott, tried yesterday, and it compiles -- and I could even "port" my maemo-changes to it |
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| 08:46.56 | Gatestone | Any ideas what's happening now when Nokia bought Trolltech? |
| 08:47.25 | jaska | one could hope theyd be throwing away symbian :) |
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| 08:48.08 | TheFool | anything good happen lately on the maemo front? |
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| 08:51.02 | Gatestone | Any feelings about Android here, have you looket at the toolkit? |
| 08:51.29 | aquatix | android is not what you would call `open' |
| 08:51.38 | aquatix | it's an interesting platform though |
| 08:52.01 | Gatestone | Why is it not open? |
| 08:52.29 | liri | do you think nokia will ever put basic cellular capabilities in the internet tablet series? |
| 08:52.51 | aquatix | even if it's based on linux, they only open up the device for developers through their java platform |
| 08:53.16 | aquatix | similar to how existing linux-based dumbphones work |
| 08:53.43 | aquatix | except that android is a lot spiffier than that mini java |
| 08:54.23 | Gatestone | How about LiMo?I am just trying to figure out the future of phones, and it looks to me that it is Nokia/Symbian vs. Apple vs. Android vs. maybe something else? |
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| 08:54.44 | Gatestone | And I am not sure if the "something else" is viable, really. |
| 08:54.58 | aquatix | `something else' could be access' linux platform |
| 08:55.12 | aquatix | which i think is quite nice, but i'm not sure how many devices we will see with it |
| 08:55.37 | aquatix | fun thing is that nokia currently has 3 platforms; symbian s60, maemo and now qt |
| 08:55.49 | aquatix | maybe we'll see qt phones |
| 08:55.59 | Gatestone | I am not really interested in my won perspective as a user, just trying to forecast the market in 10 years from now. |
| 08:56.01 | aquatix | that'd be nice i guess |
| 08:56.07 | aquatix | hm |
| 08:56.21 | aquatix | i'm not sure how long symbian will live |
| 08:56.28 | jaska | hopefully not long |
| 08:56.36 | aquatix | linux will have a large market share |
| 08:56.41 | Gatestone | (I have a N70 which is pretty lame, I am dreaming of an Android or iPhone...) |
| 08:56.52 | MangoFusion | personally i think android is quite a nifty idea. though its a pity you can (currently) only make apps for it in java |
| 08:56.56 | aquatix | and i think it heads to open phones [as in: easily developed for] |
| 08:57.02 | aquatix | MangoFusion: yeah |
| 08:57.22 | aquatix | it's really nice, but they only opened those abilities to their java layer |
| 08:57.38 | aquatix | otoh, java is a nice, object oriented language |
| 08:57.53 | aquatix | however, the android java is yet another dialect |
| 08:57.59 | jaska | java nice? |
| 08:58.01 | aquatix | it's not the real java |
| 08:58.04 | jaska | this is april 1st indeed |
| 08:58.06 | Gatestone | Why I am on this channel, is that I should do a Maemo presentation for our (beginning) Linux developers. |
| 08:58.09 | aquatix | jaska: depends on your point of view ;) |
| 08:58.14 | aquatix | at *can* be nice :) |
| 08:58.33 | aquatix | i hope maemo sticks around |
| 08:58.36 | MangoFusion | though should be possible to target other languages to it. just like there is JRuby, Jython, C for J2ME, etc |
| 08:58.41 | aquatix | for the more serious devices |
| 08:59.05 | aquatix | MangoFusion: android's java != j2me |
| 08:59.08 | aquatix | fyi :) |
| 08:59.23 | MangoFusion | sure but i am just generalising here |
| 08:59.29 | aquatix | kk :) |
| 09:00.23 | Gatestone | I guess some kind of interpreted virtual machine standard would be nice for a phone platform, with device drivers offering higher performance functionality like multimedia or 3D graphics rendering. |
| 09:01.17 | aquatix | yeah |
| 09:01.25 | aquatix | that's exactly what android's doing |
| 09:01.28 | Italodance | ummm i want skin for mplayer available??????????????? |
| 09:01.31 | aquatix | so i think it's quite nice |
| 09:01.44 | aquatix | but it's not an open linux phone platform |
| 09:04.57 | blafasel | Btw: I'd really like to see an OpenMoko phone finally |
| 09:05.57 | MangoFusion | anyone tried plonking the openmoko os on a NIT? ;) |
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| 09:14.01 | aquatix | MangoFusion: i like maemo better on my NIT ;) |
| 09:14.35 | MangoFusion | but...but... you don't get a cool fullscreen phone dialer! |
| 09:14.38 | MangoFusion | :P |
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| 09:23.46 | Gatestone | I guess we haven't seen the final solution yet. There is room for some technological revelutions here. |
| 09:24.47 | Gatestone | BTW, look how one non-standard innovation can grab a lot of market, like Blackberry, or iPhone. So if you come up with a GOOD CHEAP phone, it does not matter which tech it uses internally. |
| 09:30.42 | blafasel | Depends. It does matter for those who care. |
| 09:31.04 | blafasel | It doesn't matter for your investors if you happen to sell the iPhone PLUS, I give you that. |
| 09:31.44 | Lynoure | I don't see Blackberry or iPhone very non-standard, just kind of continuation of Treo :) |
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| 10:24.05 | Gatestone | Here is my candidate for the future phone software revolution, presentation by Dennis Ritchie http://cm.bell-labs.com/iwp9/dmr_iwp9.ppt. Ritchie mentions the PathStar softswitch, but does not mentione that Lucent also did an Inferno land line phone, and implemented hand-writing recognition for a test phone in the lab, using Plan 9 / Inferno. |
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| 10:30.00 | eichi | what about java for maemo? iwant to run josm, for openstreetmap |
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| 10:49.47 | aquatix | Gatestone: whoa, a phone running plan 9? |
| 10:50.27 | blafasel | Gatestone: Whoa, a link to a ppt file? |
| 10:50.36 | aquatix | yeah, that too :) |
| 10:53.35 | snake_mountain | OK |
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| 10:54.08 | aquatix | or, bye? |
| 10:54.13 | aquatix | *er |
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| 11:05.41 | aquatix | hm, i wonder when/if microb will be updated soonish with a newer version of gecko |
| 11:08.01 | Jaffa | aquatix: hopefully with today's (hopeful) release of diablo (maemo 4.1) |
| 11:09.06 | aquatix | ooh :) |
| 11:09.10 | aquatix | that'd be neat |
| 11:09.19 | aquatix | dangit, then i'll have to reinstall stuff |
| 11:09.22 | aquatix | oh well ;) |
| 11:11.07 | Jaffa | Last time, as diablo is expected to bring in incremental upgrades. |
| 11:11.48 | aquatix | neat |
| 11:12.08 | aquatix | how did i miss that? :) |
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| 11:18.17 | blafasel | Jaffa: Same details about that? An announcement? |
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| 11:21.38 | aquatix | blafasel: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727 |
| 11:28.50 | blafasel | The "Are we talking about the PC game" comment is sad, very sad.. |
| 11:29.02 | blafasel | But thanks for the link |
| 11:29.26 | glass | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~hehe |
| 11:29.31 | glass | uups |
| 11:29.38 | aquatix | blafasel: hm, missed that comment :) |
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| 11:31.38 | thux_n800 | can osso-xterm open browser like gnome-terminal? |
| 11:32.01 | thux_n800 | from link |
| 11:33.05 | Jaffa | NAFAIK :( |
| 11:33.55 | thux_n800 | ok just it underlines link same way |
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| 11:48.18 | Jaffa | thux: it's using the same library under the covers (vte) just doesn't implement the callback |
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| 12:01.38 | ccooke | Oooh, that was odd. |
| 12:01.48 | ccooke | Sudden reboot. |
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| 12:33.43 | hullfandan | I have a 770 (running os2007 hacker edition) and I can't seem to get root on it anymore. sudo gainroot works but I don't get prompted for a password and can't execute my app. sudo su get a permission denied. Anyone got any clues to what I set up wrong. It's a while since I did it now so I am stumpted :/ |
| 12:34.30 | hullfandan | actuall sudo su say that user user isn't allowed to execute /bin/su |
| 12:35.39 | hullfandan | anyone? even if it is just to tell me to go away :) |
| 12:36.18 | Mikho | usr/sbin/gainroot has never asked me for a password |
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| 12:38.32 | hullfandan | iirc it's best to just use gainroot once to set up user as a superuser so in future you just use 'sudo su'? |
| 12:38.36 | pupnik | https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 12:39.37 | mgedmin | never understands why people use 'sudo su' and not 'sudo -s' |
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| 12:41.03 | hullfandan | I have done that HowdoIbecomeRoot before but some time ago, |
| 12:41.46 | hullfandan | gainroot seems to be working but I can't execute anything? any ideas why that might be |
| 12:42.05 | hullfandan | Just getting that I don't have persmisson to execute ./ |
| 12:42.16 | hullfandan | which suggests I am not actually root |
| 12:45.27 | sp3000 | or the file does not have execute bit set |
| 12:47.15 | felipec | mgedmin: what's the difference? |
| 12:47.39 | mgedmin | one uses two tools where one would suffice |
| 12:47.43 | mgedmin | I suppose it's just a matter of elegance |
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| 12:51.22 | blafasel | hullfandan: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:51.24 | inz | hull, are you trying to run from a mmc card? |
| 12:52.02 | blafasel | sudo su doesn't work, because you probably didn't allow that in the /etc/sudoers (or the equivalent) |
| 12:52.20 | hullfandan | I am trying to run an application i developed. I am sure i have run it before but I could have forgot and updated it without setting execute bit. can i check this on maemo device? |
| 12:52.20 | blafasel | But you seem to be mixing things anyway, somehow |
| 12:52.29 | blafasel | ls -l |
| 12:52.38 | blafasel | And you don't need root so far |
| 12:52.43 | hullfandan | I am pretty new to linux so appologies for any noobishness |
| 12:52.47 | blafasel | Unless you forgot to mention something ;) |
| 12:53.10 | hullfandan | I thought I needed root to ftp/ssh stuff to the device over wifi and to execute it? |
| 12:53.21 | blafasel | ls -l and look at the output. it should probably be -rwxr-x-- yourfile or something |
| 12:54.01 | hullfandan | yeah it is -rwxr-xr-x |
| 12:54.09 | blafasel | So it is eXecutable |
| 12:54.18 | blafasel | You can run it as it is. |
| 12:54.28 | blafasel | If you are in that directory: ./yourapplication |
| 12:54.29 | hullfandan | I have run it in the past, so I am confused why it's no longer working |
| 12:55.44 | hullfandan | oh ffs, it is running now :( but I changed notthing sobs |
| 12:55.52 | hullfandan | thanks |
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| 12:56.32 | blafasel | Did you use "./" at the start before as well? |
| 12:56.39 | blafasel | Are you sure that you were in the right directory? |
| 12:56.54 | hullfandan | I think maybe I did that as root but just then I just did ./ before trying to become root |
| 12:57.05 | felipec | mgedmin: ahh |
| 12:57.11 | hullfandan | yeah, I was in the right dir and typed it right, I'm a noob but not that bad :) |
| 12:57.33 | hullfandan | Thanks for your help. |
| 12:57.50 | blafasel | I still don't understand what your problem was, but - you're welcome ;) |
| 12:58.06 | hullfandan | lol, :) |
| 12:58.21 | hullfandan | basicaly I didn't need to become root. I just needed to run it. |
| 12:58.48 | hullfandan | do you need to become root to ftp stuff to the device? |
| 12:58.54 | blafasel | TO? |
| 12:59.12 | blafasel | Huh? You mean downloading files on the device? |
| 12:59.15 | blafasel | No. |
| 12:59.27 | blafasel | Uploading to the device? Depending on the software used: No |
| 12:59.31 | hullfandan | yes, when I build a new version in scrathbox I am currently ftping it to the device |
| 12:59.43 | hullfandan | ok, thanks |
| 12:59.46 | pupnik | you have an ftp server on the device? |
| 12:59.48 | aquatix | can't you better scp? |
| 12:59.55 | blafasel | ftpint to the device translates to "FTP Server on the Nokia" to me |
| 12:59.55 | aquatix | just a thought |
| 13:00.34 | hullfandan | what is scp. Anything that speeds up testing on the device would be great. It is a bit of a pain at the moment |
| 13:01.03 | blafasel | I think you are just downloading though, right? That's not bad at all. FTP is less secure than SSH, but it was meant for file transfers. So use it for that and don't even think about switching to HTTP (or using ssh if there's no incentive) |
| 13:01.10 | hullfandan | Although my new iGo keyboard is speeding things up a bit, even if my lack of experience slows things back down again :) |
| 13:01.12 | pupnik | i test on the device by mounting (as client) from the device a share on my scratchbox pc |
| 13:01.19 | pupnik | or by scp'ing the files to the device |
| 13:01.47 | pupnik | whatever file transfer works is ok of course |
| 13:02.18 | hullfandan | are there any documents or tutorials on maemo.org about the different ways to test on devices? |
| 13:02.59 | hullfandan | that mounting option sounds good but I would rather go through a tutorial on setting that or other ways up instead of bothering you nice people :) |
| 13:03.49 | hullfandan | All I could find was tutorial on creating debian packages which didn't work and seemed overkill for evaluating the simple stuff I was coding |
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| 13:05.20 | aquatix | scp works over ssh |
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| 13:07.17 | hullfandan | ok, thanks. I think a tutorial showing beginers like myself how to do this would be really useful. Lots of stuff on how to get started coding but unless you want to make a package nothing on getting it onto the device and running it. Peopl on here have been great but a tutorial would make sense. Maybe I will write one when I actually understand what I am doing ;) |
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| 13:11.43 | aquatix | basically you type something like "scp -p <sourcefile> <destination"; depending on if you do this on your tablet or your pc this may look like: "scp -p yourpc_username@192.168.0.4:/path/to/file ./" |
| 13:11.55 | aquatix | hullfandan: are you on a *nix or windows machine? |
| 13:12.34 | hullfandan | debian |
| 13:12.43 | aquatix | ok |
| 13:13.08 | aquatix | you have a password for user `user' on your tablet? |
| 13:13.17 | hullfandan | yes |
| 13:13.20 | aquatix | ok |
| 13:13.30 | aquatix | then you can do something from your debian machine like this: |
| 13:13.49 | aquatix | scp -p yourfile user@ip-of-your-tablet:/path/to/destination |
| 13:14.01 | aquatix | and then it asks for the pw of `user' |
| 13:14.20 | aquatix | you can even use ~/path/in/home after the `:' |
| 13:14.53 | aquatix | the -p is for preserving file attributes, like date/time btw |
| 13:15.03 | aquatix | like the -a in "cp -a file destination" |
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| 13:16.19 | hullfandan | thanks aquatix, just trying that now |
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| 13:23.49 | johnx | 0.0...................................................................................0 |
| 13:25.11 | aquatix | johnx: hm, mine seems to be larger |
| 13:25.52 | aquatix | holds his tablet against his monitor |
| 13:25.56 | hullfandan | hmm, just getting a usage error aquatix. I thought it didn't like the -p flag but I tried it without and it still just cmae up with usuage options for scp |
| 13:26.06 | johnx | my bad, something fell on my keyboard O_o |
| 13:26.14 | aquatix | hullfandan: can you paste the line here? |
| 13:26.19 | aquatix | johnx: :) |
| 13:28.23 | hullfandan | scp -p bluevend user@192.168.1.108:/home/user/ |
| 13:28.31 | hullfandan | it connects now but i get permisson denied |
| 13:28.48 | hullfandan | and i took the trailing / off as that is wrong i guess |
| 13:29.15 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:29.33 | aquatix | and if you try: |
| 13:29.39 | aquatix | scp -p bluevend user@192.168.1.108:~/ |
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| 13:29.54 | aquatix | [shouldn't really make a difference, but worth a try] |
| 13:30.10 | aquatix | does it ask for a password? |
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| 13:30.45 | hullfandan | still permission denied, I double check password now.I am sure I just checked it when mesing around with gainroot though |
| 13:31.54 | johnx | try without -p |
| 13:32.52 | aquatix | root pw != user pw |
| 13:33.09 | aquatix | you could try root@192. ... |
| 13:33.09 | aquatix | with that password |
| 13:33.19 | aquatix | if you have remote ssh enabled for root |
| 13:33.24 | hullfandan | i tried without -p and still permisson denied. I also just reset user password using passwd |
| 13:33.58 | hullfandan | YAY |
| 13:34.02 | hullfandan | worked as root |
| 13:34.12 | hullfandan | thank you very much |
| 13:34.22 | aquatix | :) |
| 13:34.26 | aquatix | you're welcome |
| 13:34.38 | hullfandan | Got there in the end thank you for your patience |
| 13:35.00 | jott | hullfandan: you don't need ~/ or /home/user btw... the ":" translates to ~ - so just using "scp file user@ip:" should suffice |
| 13:35.25 | jott | still you should be able to copy files as user to your user home dir .. |
| 13:36.04 | aquatix | jott: yeah, but you need to use the right password :) |
| 13:36.14 | aquatix | and i guess that hullfandan was using root's pw |
| 13:36.29 | jott | or just a ssh key ;) |
| 13:36.36 | aquatix | true :) |
| 13:36.47 | jott | is too lazy to type passwords :) |
| 13:36.47 | aquatix | but didn't want to bother hullfandan with that ;) |
| 13:37.23 | hullfandan | thanks, my brain already hurts :) |
| 13:37.39 | blafasel | jott: The key has no passphrase? |
| 13:37.56 | aquatix | blafasel: maybe he uses ssh-agent |
| 13:38.03 | aquatix | then he only has to type the pw once |
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| 13:38.14 | aquatix | need to implement that once |
| 13:38.17 | blafasel | Yeah, but still. ;) |
| 13:38.26 | blafasel | Implement? It's fairly easy ;) |
| 13:38.33 | aquatix | yeah, but i'm lazy |
| 13:38.35 | aquatix | and busy |
| 13:38.52 | aquatix | wonders what he's doing here |
| 13:38.55 | blafasel | You save keystrokes and time afterwards, so both are satisfied |
| 13:39.04 | aquatix | need to finish a paper and presentation in 2.5h |
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| 13:39.21 | aquatix | blafasel: true |
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| 13:41.06 | aquatix | i miss my ponies |
| 13:41.17 | henrique | hi, is the "gpsbt" api the only alternative to communicate with the gps? |
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| 14:02.49 | Jaffa | aquatix: about time - last few years Slashdot's been useless from about 200x-03-31T16:00:00Z to 200x-04-02T10:00Z :-( |
| 14:02.59 | Jaffa | Any interesting news from CTIA yet? |
| 14:04.15 | aquatix | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/01/npenguin101.xml |
| 14:05.00 | Jaffa | aquatix: also shown on the BBC News this morning. Saw it, thought "that looks a bit computer generated" and then remembered the date |
| 14:05.05 | tank-man | is the flasher util for the n810 the same as the n800? |
| 14:05.26 | aquatix | Jaffa: ah :) |
| 14:05.32 | Jaffa | tank-man: yes |
| 14:05.35 | johnx | yup, 'cause the guts of the N800 are the same as the N810 |
| 14:05.36 | aquatix | pics look quite ok though :) |
| 14:05.59 | Jaffa | The start of it looked really good when they're trying to take off |
| 14:06.35 | Jaffa | As April Fools go, it's the best I've seen this year (if a little obvious) |
| 14:07.24 | aquatix | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/04/01/acid-3-opera-first-to-106 |
| 14:08.38 | mourad | I want to install maemo-mapper on my computer but I need the package "libgpsmgr-dev". Do anybody can give me some hints ? |
| 14:08.54 | Jaffa | JFGI? ;-) |
| 14:09.26 | johnx | maybe try and build it without libgpsmgr support? |
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| 14:13.16 | mourad | i tryed to install it but without result |
| 14:13.51 | johnx | tried to install it on your desktop? isn't it nokia closed source, arm-only? |
| 14:14.25 | johnx | libgpsmgr I mean... |
| 14:15.26 | mourad | yes I tried on my desktop not on the NOKIA810 |
| 14:16.06 | mourad | johnx: with scratchbox and maemo chinook 4. |
| 14:17.50 | johnx | aaaah...ok, I see |
| 14:19.16 | johnx | Are you trying to get this running on your desktop to test it for the tablet or do you just want to use it? |
| 14:19.32 | mourad | johnx: I downloaded the package from this link https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3550/maemo-mapper_2.4.1.tar.gz |
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| 14:23.41 | Italodance | guys |
| 14:23.42 | Italodance | http://iceland.intracore.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/screenshot01.png |
| 14:23.55 | Italodance | how can i get this contacts icon? |
| 14:24.18 | mourad | johnx: no just to test it before using it on the n810 |
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| 14:32.08 | jott | Italodance: it's called personal menu - https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-menu/ |
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| 14:39.33 | ricko73 | good morning...where do I find a missing 'libhildonfm2 (1:1.9.49) |
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| 14:42.02 | aquatix | hm, any idea why i can't choose a weather station in omweather? |
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| 14:47.30 | Jaffa | aquatix: that happened to me; I had to go to weather.com and add it manually |
| 14:48.38 | aquatix | hm, k |
| 14:49.23 | aquatix | but it asks for a zip code |
| 14:49.31 | aquatix | and i try to set a Dutch city |
| 14:49.40 | aquatix | http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/local/NLXX0010?from=search_city <- for example |
| 14:49.53 | aquatix | or shall i set NLXX0010 as zip? |
| 14:50.19 | aquatix | yay |
| 14:50.23 | aquatix | that works |
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| 15:35.52 | glass | heheh nethack.org has an april foolstoo |
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| 15:41.41 | Cptnodegard | fucking nokia |
| 15:41.58 | Cptnodegard | why cant they just disable the damn memory card when mounting with usb instead of complaining its in use when iuts not? -.- |
| 15:42.20 | mgedmin | why do you think it's not? |
| 15:42.46 | Cptnodegard | well the tablet has been sitting there doing nothing for 5 hours so if it really is in use, i'd like to know wtf its doing |
| 15:42.59 | mgedmin | burning your battery by a bug in metalayer-crawler |
| 15:43.06 | mgedmin | or filling up your swap file |
| 15:43.20 | Cptnodegard | planning world domination by means of mmc1 :p |
| 15:43.21 | ac7ss | You could just remove the card and use a reader on the other machine. |
| 15:43.22 | ||cw | do you have swap enabled? |
| 15:43.39 | ||cw | I just use scp/sshfs |
| 15:43.41 | Cptnodegard | swap? virtual memory? |
| 15:44.34 | mgedmin | sshfs rules |
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| 15:44.40 | ||cw | yeah, sometimes it can't disable it for some reason |
| 15:44.41 | mgedmin | (except for not supporting df) |
| 15:44.44 | ac7ss | I prefer rsync. |
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| 15:45.02 | Cptnodegard | i use virtual memory but i got no apps running |
| 15:45.02 | Cptnodegard | a reboot fixed it |
| 15:45.04 | ||cw | ac7ss: rsync dosn't allow browsing or direct edits |
| 15:45.10 | mgedmin | hm |
| 15:45.13 | ac7ss | true |
| 15:45.20 | Cptnodegard | maemo_world_domination no longer running :p |
| 15:45.22 | mgedmin | that sounds like a bug to me |
| 15:45.34 | mgedmin | the kernel should be able to stop using swap, if there's enough free memory |
| 15:46.10 | ||cw | i've had it not be able to several times |
| 15:46.20 | lcdd | it doesn't work like that. the swap has to be disabled |
| 15:46.50 | Cptnodegard | uuh good boy gnumeric managed to open the excel file |
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| 15:49.01 | mgedmin | is worried about the builtin 2gb flash on the n810 |
| 15:50.01 | mgedmin | something fishy is going on there |
| 15:50.26 | mgedmin | I created a 1 gb filesystem with mkdosfs over usb there, and now I see it's 1.8 gb |
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| 15:50.39 | mgedmin | did I reformat it in my sleep, or what? |
| 15:53.15 | GeneralAntilles | Or you didn't actually create the filesystem. :P |
| 15:58.10 | mgedmin | I did |
| 15:58.35 | mgedmin | I was testing the insane bug (fill up the partition with a big file, say goodbye to your partition table) |
| 15:58.58 | mgedmin | my current worst-case guess is there's only 1 GB of flash there, and writes to the second one just get silently redirected down to the first one |
| 15:59.17 | mgedmin | I was not amused to see a blob of HTML that overwrote the MBR |
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| 16:04.15 | derf | mgedmin: The N810 apparently shipped with an invalid partition table on the internal card. |
| 16:04.53 | derf | If that's what you're referring to (the fs in the partition table was larger than the physical card). |
| 16:06.13 | script | wff? only 1GB on internal flash? |
| 16:07.02 | derf | No... it's a 2GB card, but like hdd manufacturers, there's 2GB and there's 2 GB. |
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| 16:07.30 | script | thats ok, i just tought it's only 1GB physically |
| 16:07.53 | derf | Maybe mgedmin is talking about something else... I had to practically fill the entire card to trigger it. |
| 16:08.49 | mgedmin | derf: nope, that happened *after* I reformatted the too-large-2-gb to just-right-2-gb |
| 16:09.11 | mgedmin | and filled up about *half* of it |
| 16:09.22 | derf | Well, that is a problem, then. |
| 16:09.33 | derf | I formatted mine as ext3, and all my problems went away. |
| 16:09.34 | mgedmin | then suddenly filesystem readonly; reboot -> filesystem does not exits at all, partition table nuked, FAT nuked |
| 16:09.43 | mgedmin | may be I should do that too |
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| 16:09.47 | derf | (I had _no_ _end_ of problems with FAT and the N800) |
| 16:09.53 | mgedmin | hm |
| 16:10.05 | mgedmin | my 4gb vfat sd card worked more or less reliably in the n800 |
| 16:10.17 | derf | Maemo mapper would bork the kernel driver reliably in about 15 minutes. |
| 16:10.18 | mgedmin | although one 512mb sd card just died in the external slot |
| 16:10.52 | derf | Card itself was totally fine, but nothing short of a full reboot would get it to work again. |
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| 16:19.33 | Cptnodegard | anyone used VNC? or what its called again that app that lets you stream the screen image to a computer |
| 16:21.59 | GeneralAntilles | x11vnc |
| 16:22.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
| 16:35.39 | Cptnodegard | yeah that. has anyone used it and can comment on stability? |
| 16:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine. |
| 16:37.29 | script | depends on the server .. not every one works at all |
| 16:37.38 | Cptnodegard | just saw that people are making such a fuzz about the new intil MID being and its apparent ability to be able to use wireless displays |
| 16:40.01 | Navi | eh |
| 16:40.08 | Navi | Ignorance is the greatest hype |
| 16:40.40 | Navi | Take the iPhone for example: ZOMG A TOUCHSCREEN THATS NEW |
| 16:40.58 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 16:41.06 | Cptnodegard | its multitoouch! |
| 16:41.12 | Cptnodegard | so you can zoom stuff better |
| 16:41.21 | Cptnodegard | ignore the fact there are devices that dont need zooming |
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| 16:42.14 | Navi | I prefer to spend less effort pressing a button once |
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| 16:56.51 | myren | is xomap a driver for xorg or is it a separate x server? |
| 16:57.06 | johnx | separate xserver based on kdrive |
| 16:57.21 | johnx | other kdrive servers: xfbdev xephyr |
| 16:59.18 | Cptnodegard | pets claws email. finally rid of that useless internal shit |
| 17:01.00 | lcuk2 | johnx i forgot to ask since, whats happened with your screen problem - has it been cured or are you living with a disability |
| 17:01.36 | lcuk2 | (i ask because someone came in with similar problem last night..) |
| 17:01.48 | johnx | it hasn't been acting up as much |
| 17:02.15 | lcuk2 | fair enough then |
| 17:02.22 | johnx | in fact lately, almost not at all |
| 17:02.29 | lcuk2 | is it colder ? |
| 17:02.42 | lcuk2 | or have you stopped running things which heat it up |
| 17:02.49 | johnx | maybe a little. I hesitate to draw conclusions like that though |
| 17:02.59 | johnx | I haven't been doing much hacking on debian on it |
| 17:03.03 | lcuk2 | yer i know what you mean |
| 17:03.10 | sp3000 | that's what the internet is for |
| 17:03.17 | johnx | which I think was a major cause of heat |
| 17:03.23 | lcuk2 | but we are the internet |
| 17:03.46 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 17:04.02 | sp3000 | I think that means that from his perspective we should draw his conclusions harder |
| 17:05.02 | lcuk2 | johnx :) either way im glad its become stablish |
| 17:05.07 | johnx | me too O_o |
| 17:05.13 | fysa | do not even start to compare the UI for Maemo with the UI on the iPhone. The iPhone requires less than half the number of taps/touches for everything. |
| 17:05.35 | elb | on both pixels on its display! |
| 17:05.45 | lcuk2 | and how pray tell do i run vnc from iphone? |
| 17:05.48 | lcuk2 | or ssh |
| 17:05.54 | lcuk2 | or any number of specific applications |
| 17:05.56 | fysa | that's why this is so frustrating. :) |
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| 17:06.24 | elb | I looked at an iPhone yesterday, as a matter of fact |
| 17:06.29 | fysa | Maemo wins in every aspect *except* for ease/response. |
| 17:06.30 | johnx | fysa, I know what you mean |
| 17:06.30 | elb | and was, once again, underwhelmed |
| 17:06.40 | elb | but yeah, the interface is slick |
| 17:06.47 | elb | and it sure is shiny! |
| 17:06.54 | elb | (rotating as you turn it, etc.) |
| 17:06.57 | johnx | I have a stack of arm devices here which each have one or two killer features |
| 17:07.10 | elb | although the rotation thing kind of sucks in that it has to be pretty vertical to work |
| 17:07.33 | fysa | I feel trapped in some backwards world. |
| 17:07.46 | konttori | has anyone made any hildon desktop applets? |
| 17:07.57 | konttori | I need to know how I can debug those? |
| 17:08.11 | konttori | As in how to get the command line prints to show somewhere |
| 17:12.36 | sp3000 | they get syslogged, right? ...right? |
| 17:13.17 | konttori | so, cat /var/log/syslog .... hmm... I'll have to try that. Thanks! |
| 17:15.48 | konttori | I only need to now get errors again... ;) |
| 17:16.41 | konttori | I'm *so* close to getting sdl to run as desktop applet |
| 17:16.52 | konttori | I already got pygame to run inside gtk window. |
| 17:17.02 | konttori | so, it's just some tuning now left |
| 17:19.49 | konttori | there is no syslog in the /var/log. Am I looking at the wrong place? |
| 17:20.09 | johnx | no, no syslogd at all I think on itos |
| 17:20.26 | johnx | ps auxc | grep syslog |
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| 17:20.35 | sp3000 | ...by default |
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| 17:23.24 | sp3000 | package is in sdk repo |
| 17:24.16 | sp3000 | (sysklogd) |
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| 17:39.30 | Italodance | lame_3.97_maemo.tar.gz OHO! |
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| 17:45.18 | Italodance | Irsii |
| 17:45.38 | Italodance | dosen't show any icon in my menu why? |
| 17:45.49 | Italodance | os 2008 maybe it is 2007 yes? |
| 17:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's a console application. |
| 17:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | Open xterm |
| 17:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | type 'irsii' |
| 17:46.10 | Italodance | and? |
| 17:46.24 | johnx | and hit enter |
| 17:46.41 | Italodance | ur mean it can works only with x-term yes? |
| 17:46.51 | johnx | yes |
| 17:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, you'd really be better off with xchat. |
| 17:47.06 | Italodance | xchat yes cool :D |
| 17:47.47 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles xmms has icon in menu? |
| 17:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | If you're having trouble getting irsii open, you're not gonna get much further once it's open. |
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| 17:49.40 | derf | It might also help if you spelled it irssi. |
| 17:49.40 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles xmms has icon in menu? or need to open it only with x-term? |
| 17:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | s/irsii/irssi/ |
| 17:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | I blame smoke inhalation, derf. :P |
| 17:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | 's building caught fire a couple hours ago. |
| 17:51.14 | Italodance | oh |
| 17:51.17 | inz | irsii sounds like ircii ;) |
| 17:51.18 | lcuk2 | thats not good, did you get all your nokias to safety? |
| 17:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's what I mixed up with, inz. |
| 17:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | Just the N800 and the cat. :P |
| 17:52.02 | lcuk2 | good plan GeneralAntilles hope it wasnt serious |
| 17:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | It was a couple floors down and on the other side of this building. |
| 17:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, just a couple apartments were damaged. |
| 17:52.14 | derf | You have a Nokia cat? |
| 17:52.14 | lcuk2 | kitchen fire? |
| 17:52.19 | lcuk2 | cuecat |
| 17:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | I think the second one was mostly smoke. |
| 17:52.28 | lcuk2 | or was it acecat |
| 17:52.38 | lcuk2 | :D lolcat |
| 17:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno what started it. |
| 17:53.10 | GeneralAntilles | The firedepartment evidently has a really awesome system for clearing smoke out, though. |
| 17:53.19 | GeneralAntilles | Open the window, put a giant fan in the doorway. |
| 17:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | Flies out of there at a million miles an hour. |
| 17:53.41 | lcuk2 | probably the glint from steve jobs field of awesome caught on some lesser piece of kit |
| 17:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | The RFD repeater I keep in the closet went crazy and tried to kill all the Windows machines. :P |
| 17:54.27 | lcuk2 | its student digs isnt it? |
| 17:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Sorta |
| 17:54.45 | lcuk2 | that same contraption is used to blow the pot at the frat boys dorm |
| 17:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | Cat: http://www.legacyoflies.com/foolsofapril/devuploads/general_antilles/cat1.jpg |
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| 17:55.54 | lcuk2 | holy moly! that looks like my former cat |
| 17:56.01 | lcuk2 | got any eyes open shots |
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| 17:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/foolsofapril/devuploads/general_antilles/cat2.jpg |
| 17:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | Little better. :P |
| 17:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think I have anything else handy. |
| 17:58.20 | lcuk2 | enough to tell the difference yer |
| 17:58.42 | lcuk2 | i was just digging through my photos, unfortunately he passed a couple of years ago so theres a lot to dig through |
| 17:59.07 | GeneralAntilles | She's 11 now. |
| 17:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't lost a pet in a while, thankfully. |
| 18:00.06 | lcuk2 | only things we lost recently are hamsters - when squeek passed we got a couple of young cats from the sanctury :) |
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| 18:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/virgle/application.html |
| 18:00.44 | lcuk2 | one is a long haired black and his gay best mate :) missus wanted kittens but i was heartbroken and didnt wanna leave em there |
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| 18:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's announced. |
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| 18:15.31 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: "it" being Virgle or something Maemo related? |
| 18:15.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=163447#post163447 |
| 18:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | Q2 2008 |
| 18:16.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that doesn't mean June. :\ |
| 18:16.11 | Jaffa | Why isn't ITT news on pmo anymore? |
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| 18:16.24 | Jaffa | Gatestone: you know Nokia - they *always* push deadlines to the latest possible |
| 18:16.32 | Jaffa | Bah. Bad BitchX |
| 18:16.37 | Jaffa | s/Gatestone/GeneralAntilles/ |
| 18:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | I was wondering. |
| 18:16.53 | inz | Jaffa, guess why I don't use tab completion ;) |
| 18:17.01 | GeneralAntilles | I didn't think I had more than one person in here on my ignore list. :P |
| 18:17.21 | Jaffa | inz: I didn't - it was ':' completion, irritatingly. |
| 18:17.41 | inz | Jaffa, ah, indeed, now I remember what BiaatchX did |
| 18:17.56 | inz | Jaffa, I used it some time, but only for the ascii artz |
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| 18:20.35 | zedstar_ | so is wimax available in europe any where yet? |
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| 18:20.51 | Jaffa | zedstar_: UK best bet is http://www.solution4.com/ which has trials in some places |
| 18:21.33 | zedstar_ | thanks jaffa that site appears down right now |
| 18:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | wants to know what the connection dialog looks like for WiMAX |
| 18:24.33 | Jaffa | http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_wme_en_R1.html confirms update brings "seamless software update" |
| 18:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | 3 hours on WiMAX. :< |
| 18:26.21 | MangoFusion | "3 hours on WiMAX" |
| 18:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if the SSU also means they can push updates to things like MicroB more than once every 6 months. |
| 18:26.30 | MangoFusion | hey, i might as well just use my phone |
| 18:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | That's about the same use time I get out of my handset with 3g. |
| 18:26.53 | zedstar_ | how easy/expensive is it for joe public to install there own wimax base station/router? the kit expensive or require licenses? |
| 18:27.02 | blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Nice question, regarding the connection dialog |
| 18:27.15 | blafasel | The current dialog probably doesn't scale for 2-3 miles of range. ;-p |
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| 18:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder what the icon looks like, too. |
| 18:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 18:28.30 | GeneralAntilles | Are they gonna have international versions? |
| 18:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | "N810 WiMAX Edition is only available in the US" |
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| 18:29.43 | Cptnodegard | wimax is dooomed |
| 18:30.01 | megabyte405 | seamless software update is presumably Diablo |
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| 18:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | lol? http://www.nokia.com/A4138056 |
| 18:30.18 | megabyte405 | it's been a roadmap feature since the days of Bora |
| 18:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, we know it's Diablo. |
| 18:31.50 | blafasel | What's with that link? Dead for me |
| 18:31.57 | megabyte405 | wow, diablo "in the second quarter of the year"? I might jump right from bora to diablo on my n800... |
| 18:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 18:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's being stupid and dynamic or something |
| 18:32.54 | blafasel | Talking about the link? |
| 18:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | blafasel, check out their press photos for the N810WE |
| 18:33.01 | Jaffa | megabyte405: yes - it's been on the roadmap, but there's no guarantee they'd've delivered it |
| 18:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | There's a giant lump on the back of it like the N800. :P |
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| 18:33.24 | KotCzarny | don't forget today is april 1st |
| 18:33.29 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 18:33.43 | KotCzarny | wait with analysis till tomorrow |
| 18:33.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:36.58 | KaaLi | its just rude to play ppl like that |
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| 18:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, don't play ppl! |
| 18:38.15 | KaaLi | *with :D |
| 18:40.16 | cymacs | does anybody know how to convert gps data saved with gps_saver to gpx or anything else? |
| 18:41.43 | tsukasa | OMG N900 announced |
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| 18:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | Clever, tsukasa. |
| 18:42.20 | tsukasa | hey theres 288 people here |
| 18:42.44 | tsukasa | mightve gotten one or two for a second |
| 18:42.54 | ralann | riiiight |
| 18:43.21 | tsukasa | youd be suprised how many people are oblivious to the date |
| 18:43.33 | ralann | true |
| 18:43.43 | elb | you'd be surprised how many people see 'OMG' and dismiss the remainder of what a person says |
| 18:43.48 | ralann | i will believe nothing till tomorrow |
| 18:44.11 | ralann | OMG a nokia brain implant |
| 18:44.29 | megabyte405 | using bluetooth 3.0! |
| 18:44.31 | ralann | http://www.nokiausa.com/brains |
| 18:44.32 | tsukasa | ralann, what if you use gmail to send yourself an important message back in time warning you of your impending doom? |
| 18:46.06 | doc|work | s/impending doom/this conversation |
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| 18:47.20 | aquatix | http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/01/nokias-n810-internet-tablet-wimax-edition-gets-official/ already posted here? |
| 18:47.31 | KotCzarny | april first |
| 18:47.36 | KotCzarny | wait till tomorrow |
| 18:47.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:47.51 | aquatix | KotCzarny: guy i know from nokia says this one is official :) |
| 18:48.04 | KotCzarny | april 1st |
| 18:48.06 | aquatix | KotCzarny: also look at the pictures |
| 18:48.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:48.12 | aquatix | heheh |
| 18:48.17 | aquatix | is not *that* stupid ;) |
| 18:48.19 | ralann | i say tomorrow |
| 18:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's real, duh. :\ |
| 18:49.08 | lcdd | "do not show this dialog again." i could use a few of those |
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| 18:49.20 | aquatix | lcdd: yeah |
| 18:49.42 | doc|work | I fucking hate april 1st |
| 18:50.04 | doc|work | real news is bad enough without an official day of fake news |
| 18:50.18 | ralann | im hiding in my house all day and am not turning the tv on |
| 18:51.08 | KaaLi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.17 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 18:51.23 | doc|work | this is as far as I'm delving into the internet today |
| 18:51.26 | KotCzarny | stop posting aplil fools links |
| 18:51.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:51.34 | doc|work | KaaLi: hey man, give it time, that one may come true yet |
| 18:52.03 | KaaLi | if it goes down as it has been goin lately.. some day it might happen.. |
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| 18:52.31 | doc|work | nah, if anything they're trying to push the US into some north american currency |
| 18:52.33 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 18:52.36 | KotCzarny | nwo |
| 18:52.37 | KotCzarny | etc. |
| 18:52.39 | doc|work | indeed |
| 18:52.49 | KaaLi | 10 USD = 1 euro in 2010 |
| 18:52.55 | doc|work | i.e. more of the same, only you have even less chance of being influential |
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| 18:54.25 | doc|work | now I know why I hate april 1st, it makes every site on the internet read like a bad copy of the onion |
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| 18:56.25 | KotCzarny | there are layers, all the way to the bottom |
| 18:56.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:56.41 | pupnik | turtles |
| 18:56.46 | KotCzarny | layers |
| 18:56.51 | KotCzarny | turtles have layers |
| 18:56.57 | KotCzarny | onion has layers |
| 18:57.02 | KotCzarny | turtles have layers |
| 18:57.18 | doc|work | read that as lawyers |
| 18:57.20 | pupnik | turtles h |
| 18:57.21 | MangoFusion | some of the more annoying april fools jokes are ones where the fooler starts the fooling before april 1st |
| 18:57.22 | pupnik | me too |
| 18:57.31 | doc|work | was thinking, why the fuck would turtles need lawyers |
| 18:57.46 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 18:58.07 | KaaLi | depends about timezone |
| 18:58.09 | aquatix | doc|work: heh, me too :) |
| 18:58.24 | MangoFusion | KaaLi: this is days before |
| 18:59.28 | ricko73 | where do I find a missing libhildonfm2 (1:1.9.49) |
| 19:00.02 | aquatix | google? :) |
| 19:00.10 | ricko73 | google didn't help much |
| 19:00.41 | ricko73 | there were very few links to libhildonfm2 that were specific to the nokia n-series |
| 19:00.59 | megabyte405 | ricko73: make sure you are using the right version of the sdk |
| 19:01.08 | megabyte405 | you may be compiling chinook software on bora |
| 19:01.36 | ricko73 | megabyte405: I have an as received n810 |
| 19:01.51 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search hildonfm |
| 19:01.55 | megabyte405 | oh, I see, you are installing |
| 19:02.15 | megabyte405 | First, upgrade your firmware (reflash - it will erase everything) before you get further |
| 19:02.19 | ricko73 | I'll have to ask the package maintainer (for roadmap --a gps/mapping program) how he had it compiled |
| 19:02.29 | ricko73 | I think I have the latest version |
| 19:02.32 | megabyte405 | you'll need software with a OS2008 version |
| 19:02.40 | megabyte405 | If you just got it from the factory you probably don't |
| 19:02.59 | ricko73 | 1.2007.42-19 |
| 19:03.13 | ricko73 | I thought that was the latest |
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| 19:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | 51-3 is latest. |
| 19:04.10 | ricko73 | Ok. Thanks. I guess I'll have to reflash (then redownload the apps I installed) |
| 19:04.33 | aquatix | wonders when Diablo will be available for download |
| 19:04.44 | aquatix | Q2 has already begun :) |
| 19:04.44 | KotCzarny | it will be when it will be |
| 19:04.48 | KaaLi | backup first |
| 19:04.56 | aquatix | KotCzarny: true |
| 19:04.58 | ricko73 | KaaLi: thx |
| 19:05.00 | aquatix | just wondering :) |
| 19:05.05 | KotCzarny | </phb> |
| 19:05.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:05.17 | KotCzarny | better port/write new software |
| 19:05.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:05.32 | KotCzarny | than simply consuming new shinyness |
| 19:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | Judging by the state of Modest, it's probably going to be a little while longer. |
| 19:06.23 | aquatix | i will |
| 19:06.23 | aquatix | when i'm done being so freaking busy |
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| 19:06.49 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: that's ok, i prefer having a polished flash |
| 19:06.56 | aquatix | hopefully with an updated gecko |
| 19:08.24 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/N810WiMAX5_Lowres.jpg shows the bump |
| 19:09.00 | Jaffa | And http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/N810WiMAX4_lowres.jpg has the connection dialogue (and Xohm logo in the status bar) |
| 19:09.15 | KotCzarny | looks shopped |
| 19:09.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:09.36 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: it's getting a little tiring now; this is official, OK? :) |
| 19:09.37 | Daviey | Has anyone worked out how to use .install files from the console? |
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| 19:09.54 | Jaffa | Daviey: some form of DBus invocation's your best bet, I reckon |
| 19:09.57 | KotCzarny | jaffa: just kidding, but i will seriously wait for tomorrow |
| 19:10.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:10.16 | ricko73 | yeah, I'm nervous installing anything today |
| 19:10.20 | konttori | Ah. hey, we've launched the wimax apparently |
| 19:10.22 | konttori | cool! |
| 19:10.42 | Daviey | Jaffa: seriously?! |
| 19:10.43 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.48 | aquatix | woops |
| 19:11.11 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: OK, but everytime someone mentions it, can you not type two lines: one containing an 2008-04-01 reference and the other a smiley? Please? |
| 19:11.20 | konttori | Jaffa: Yeah, seamless updates is really nice feature |
| 19:11.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:11.31 | aquatix | Jaffa: /ignore? ;) |
| 19:11.36 | Jaffa | konttori: very cool; now, can we have a diablo beta? :) |
| 19:11.42 | konttori | We've been working really hard to gt it just right |
| 19:11.46 | Jaffa | aquatix: a *little* harsh, perhaps |
| 19:11.51 | aquatix | Jaffa: nah ;) |
| 19:12.11 | aquatix | ducks while KotCzarny throws an old 770 with sharpened edges to his head |
| 19:12.12 | konttori | Jaffa: Interesting question. |
| 19:12.19 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 19:12.23 | KotCzarny | no 770s here |
| 19:12.26 | Jaffa | konttori: glad to hear it. Does it mean we're likely to see more updates to the components, or are upgrades still going to be one or two times a year affairs? |
| 19:12.31 | KotCzarny | and i like my 800 too much |
| 19:12.38 | KotCzarny | but i can throw an old ipod |
| 19:12.42 | KotCzarny | (heavy) |
| 19:12.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:13.22 | doc|work | anyone got info on changes to OS? |
| 19:13.32 | konttori | Can't confirm, but at least I can say that it should be easier for the end users to receive incremental updates. |
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| 19:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.57 | lcuk2 | yes, nokia are proud to announce they are working with microsoft to release Windows Vista N series edition ;) |
| 19:13.57 | konttori | With flashing, it's not nice to flash a small patch and have to reinstall everything |
| 19:14.16 | konttori | So, at least SSU is enabler for that |
| 19:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I really hope so. |
| 19:14.33 | konttori | Also, SSU also allows 3rd party (that's you guys) application updates |
| 19:14.34 | Jaffa | konttori: cool, hopefully the project planners will take advantage of the "release early, release often" approach and not still fall back on big-bang releases. |
| 19:15.43 | aquatix | doc|work: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727 has some stuff |
| 19:15.43 | aquatix | meh, stupid lag |
| 19:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be awfully stupid of them not to leverage this for more smaller releases. |
| 19:15.43 | Jaffa | konttori: aren't we supposed to have that already with App Manager? |
| 19:15.43 | Jaffa | konttori: or does SSU totally replace App Mgr? |
| 19:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows, though, the UI spec probably has something in there about only updating once every 6 months. <_< |
| 19:15.44 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 19:15.44 | lcuk2 | konttori, is this update process in response to things which could be easily patched but which full flash hassle prevents? if so - what fixes have you got lined up? |
| 19:15.44 | konttori | Well, now end users will actually get notified directly of new updates to 3rd party apps as well |
| 19:15.45 | KaaLi | ill believe that tomorrow.. :P |
| 19:15.48 | doc|work | aquatix: thanks |
| 19:16.04 | konttori | lcuk2: indeed. No idea what we might patch/fix/whatnot though |
| 19:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'd _really_ like to see MicroB back on the update-every-few-weeks schedule. |
| 19:16.39 | lcuk2 | excellent :) |
| 19:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | Especially with how fast Gecko is moving. |
| 19:16.49 | Jaffa | konttori: sounds interesting. Now, the two things which depress me: a) I'm sure the maemo community could've had some good contributions to make to the UI and spec of SSU; b) we're not going to get to see it/play with it before end-users do. So the power-users who help users on ITT etc. will not be ahead of the game. |
| 19:17.03 | doc|work | also, is the price of the wimax more than the n810 or is a drop in the vanilla n810 price expected? |
| 19:17.16 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 19:17.20 | Jaffa | doubts anyone but sales & marketing could answer that |
| 19:17.46 | doc|work | ok, thought someone might have seen an answer somewhere |
| 19:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | N810 already had a small drop to $439 |
| 19:18.15 | konttori | Hehey!!! Check it out: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=workshop,recent |
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| 19:18.38 | konttori | I got interviewed yesterday. |
| 19:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:18.42 | konttori | And it's live now. |
| 19:18.57 | konttori | Ahh.. the correct link: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=workshop,articles,414 |
| 19:19.44 | konttori | That was a crash interview: I got notified 5 minutes prior. Then I called new york, talked for an hour on the phone and blam. That's what you see. |
| 19:19.48 | ricko73 | GeneralAntilles: I bought my n810 from Amazon for under $400 |
| 19:20.00 | GeneralAntilles | ricko73, that's MSRP |
| 19:20.03 | ricko73 | gotcha |
| 19:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | Street has little to do with MSRP. :P |
| 19:20.17 | konttori | Jaffa: SSU is really so simple piece UI wise that there was no need to notify anyone. |
| 19:20.17 | ralann | i got mine for $365 |
| 19:20.28 | KaaLi | it stil says april 1st.. |
| 19:20.29 | Jaffa | konttori: fair enough |
| 19:20.45 | ricko73 | understood. didn't realize that MSRP actually changed after a device was initially released |
| 19:20.45 | Jaffa | konttori: so there'll be no bugs or wishes that the UI did such & such? :) |
| 19:21.05 | konttori | Nope. It's just perfect ! ;) |
| 19:21.21 | KaaLi | no1 will remember n810wimax next week... :D |
| 19:21.34 | Jaffa | konttori: all bugs straight assigned to you then ;-) |
| 19:21.43 | konttori | Please, go ahead. |
| 19:21.53 | lcuk2 | also writes "perfect" software. strange how theres always something missed ;) |
| 19:22.05 | KotCzarny | lcuk: rotate |
| 19:22.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:22.22 | lcuk2 | THANK YOU :D |
| 19:22.25 | Jaffa | had a "perfect" Java web framework componentisation earlier today. This evening additional unit tests are failing :-/ |
| 19:22.43 | konttori | rotation won't make it. Sorry. |
| 19:22.52 | lcuk2 | it will in my kernel tonight :) |
| 19:23.18 | lcuk2 | ive been writing a fullscreen fullspeed tear free renderer thing and i wanna see things from a different perspective |
| 19:23.22 | Jaffa | konttori: your interview references "Web Runtime" - wassat? |
| 19:23.26 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:23.32 | KotCzarny | pixel perfect? |
| 19:24.02 | lcuk2 | better than it was, im just finishing picking up freetype and getting the aspect ratio better |
| 19:24.04 | glass | Jaffa: widgets for s60 |
| 19:24.15 | glass | Jaffa: web pages that look like programs |
| 19:24.22 | KotCzarny | don't forget about subpixel order |
| 19:24.30 | KotCzarny | unless you don't use subpixel rendering? |
| 19:24.49 | glass | Jaffa: basically you make a zip, send it over, it installs the page as an app to the app browser... |
| 19:24.50 | lcuk2 | im in yuv so its not that important |
| 19:24.58 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:25.00 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 19:25.00 | glass | Jaffa: and launches it without the browser full gui |
| 19:25.11 | Jaffa | glass: "Q: What can people expect from the latest N810? A: [...] Especially now that we have great Python bindings and the support for Web Run-Time, the community should find it very easy to create the same kind of applications that Apple is doing on their dashboard.@ |
| 19:25.28 | Jaffa | So not just for S60 anymore. Will have to look into a bit more |
| 19:25.28 | lcuk2 | well which order should i put my pixels, grey, grey, grey or grey, grey, grey ??? |
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| 19:25.40 | glass | Jaffa: i guess they've got it over there too then, like said, just web pages that look more like proper programs |
| 19:25.42 | Jaffa | lcuk2: no - grey, grey, grey |
| 19:25.56 | KotCzarny | no, grey gray grey grey |
| 19:25.56 | glass | Jaffa: new n95 firmware has it |
| 19:25.57 | konttori | well, web runtime applets are now at your disposal for the desktop |
| 19:26.02 | KotCzarny | alpha gray |
| 19:26.12 | Jaffa | glass: interesting. Hopefully ones working for S60 (for which I assume there's an existing community) should work without modification on ITOS |
| 19:26.30 | glass | Jaffa: i'd assume many of the s60 widgets to assume the screen sizes to be small |
| 19:26.37 | Jaffa | konttori: cool. Is the responsiveness of the desktop and general usability of the home screen OK? |
| 19:26.44 | lcuk2 | konttori :) hope the rollout goes smoothly. ill b back later |
| 19:26.45 | konttori | They run on gecko engine, so you probably can run pretty much anything with them |
| 19:27.02 | glass | Jaffa: dunno about the community yet as it's not really on too many devices |
| 19:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 19:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | "Update All" |
| 19:27.26 | konttori | Jaffa: Well, it's doing quite fancy 'server rendering' of the widgets |
| 19:27.30 | glass | Jaffa: i was rather surprised they ported it back to n95, the nokias browser guy didn't promise that last june |
| 19:27.33 | Jaffa | Ah, fair enough. New then. Still, leveraging the larger sales and communities (and hype) of the N95 et al should help us as users |
| 19:27.40 | KotCzarny | ok, bbl |
| 19:27.49 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed, two little words with so much joy |
| 19:28.08 | glass | Jaffa: yeah, i'd imagine it will be used for weather applets and the like.. small information displayers |
| 19:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully it's stopped crashing after every 3rd install. <_< |
| 19:28.52 | konttori | Anyway, as I said in the interview, the python desktop applet bindings are really cool as well. I totally recommend checking them out even now. |
| 19:28.58 | glass | Jaffa: it's a very easy way for web devs to get something 'cool' running on a phone easily so i'd expect the community to grow rapidly soon |
| 19:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | Nice interview, konttori. |
| 19:29.34 | konttori | thanks. |
| 19:30.36 | konttori | GA: what was crashing every 3rd install? |
| 19:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager |
| 19:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's not that regular |
| 19:30.59 | konttori | It was crashing every 3rd? Odd. Anyway, it's stable now. |
| 19:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | But it was a pain when I was trying to restore everything after a flash about a month ago. |
| 19:32.20 | Jaffa | konttori: yeah, it was a good interview. |
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| 19:34.20 | konttori | Let's see how well the device sells. I honestly have no idea how big the market will be for XOHM network, what's the price point of the device or anything like that. |
| 19:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | Seems there's no mention of non-US models yet. :\ |
| 19:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | That could put a dampener on things. |
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| 19:35.39 | konttori | I hope it will sell well though. I would say that the keyboard has better feel than n810 |
| 19:35.57 | konttori | GA: That will depend on how well wimax networks are sold elsewhere. |
| 19:36.00 | freki | hello every body |
| 19:36.08 | konttori | Currently Sprint is really on top of the wimax game |
| 19:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | Canada has very strong coverage with Rogers. |
| 19:36.52 | konttori | the special part about the n810 WE and the sprint network is that it allows you to 'switch' cells on the fly like GSM phone switches them while yo are on the move. |
| 19:36.57 | freki | i have a probleme for update my 770 tu OS2006, does somebody can help me ? |
| 19:36.58 | Jaffa | AIUI, Canada's got the best WiMAX coverage in the world |
| 19:37.21 | konttori | Well, go ahead and call your nearest Rogers to stock them up! |
| 19:37.53 | Jaffa | konttori: so, hectic time until 31st June getting it ready for release and then rolling out to depots. Then you moving on to the N900? |
| 19:38.08 | elb | I'd be shocked if 15% of Canada was covered |
| 19:38.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehehe, Jaffa. |
| 19:38.17 | elb | I guess it depends on how you define 'best' |
| 19:38.18 | konttori | Jaffa: if you only knew... |
| 19:38.25 | konttori | But yeah, it's hectic at the moment |
| 19:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | wants OMAP3 |
| 19:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | wants OMAP3 baaaad |
| 19:38.55 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: it was worth a try ;-) |
| 19:39.00 | aquatix | just wants peace in has damn head |
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| 19:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | I still say we should get a retirement fund started for Texrat. |
| 19:39.12 | Jaffa | aquatix: the sound of drums again? |
| 19:39.26 | aquatix | Jaffa: the sound of deadlines zipping by at light speed |
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| 19:48.07 | konttori | Jaffa: Did it say somewhere that the device is out on 31st of june? |
| 19:48.41 | Jaffa | 2Q2008. I'm trying to be realistic/pessimistic/cynical. |
| 19:48.42 | konttori | actually doesn't know that date.. We've been more concerned on the dates the firmware has to go to the factory lines. |
| 19:49.00 | KaaLi | first of all.. is it ever out.. still april 1st.. :D |
| 19:49.03 | Jaffa | doesn't remember a time when Nokia haven't used all the time available to them when giving a deadline like that |
| 19:49.37 | Jaffa | KaaLi: it's official. If I hear any more "it's an April Fools' joke" comments, I swear I'm going to scream :) |
| 19:49.49 | konttori | Jaffa: Also, Diablo doesn't have the 'same' WRT support as n95, as we have gecko, symbian has webkit. |
| 19:50.08 | KaaLi | jaffa: like a little girl..? |
| 19:50.11 | konttori | Of course the result should be the same. |
| 19:50.32 | ralann | i would believe it till tomorrow |
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| 19:50.59 | Jaffa | konttori: yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. Advanced widgetry compatible across render engines? |
| 19:51.00 | glass | konttori: i havent been following, did they add nokia spesific apis for wrt? |
| 19:51.21 | Jaffa | KaaLi: No, like someone trying to discuss something seriously whilst also trying to meet work deadlines |
| 19:53.08 | konttori | glass: I haven't been involved directly on the WRT part, so can't comment on the specifics. |
| 19:53.09 | Jaffa | KaaLi: sorry, it's just it's not a new joke :) |
| 19:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, how much you wanna bet it wont be out until late July? :P |
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| 19:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe Diablo [i]is[/i] OS2009 and it's coming out in November. :D |
| 19:54.01 | GeneralAntilles | O_o |
| 19:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | BBCode |
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| 19:54.31 | GeneralAntilles | . . . proof positive that I've been spending too much time on ITT. |
| 19:56.46 | pupnik | the diablo thread was pretty funny |
| 19:56.55 | Jaffa | I think your prolific posting rate is sign of that! |
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| 20:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | That post by robin in the "I don't understand" thread made me laugh. |
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| 20:17.45 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:18.01 | KotCzarny | i think jott's xomap patch still breakes xv |
| 20:18.04 | KotCzarny | breakes |
| 20:18.18 | KotCzarny | brakes |
| 20:18.20 | KotCzarny | darmn |
| 20:18.25 | KotCzarny | damn. |
| 20:19.52 | MangoFusion | updated your kernel? |
| 20:20.07 | lcuk2 | . o O ( maybe i won't install rotate after all ) |
| 20:20.10 | KotCzarny | no, it rotates ok |
| 20:20.19 | KotCzarny | lcuk, but it may be only my n800 |
| 20:20.27 | KotCzarny | i would like you to test it |
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| 20:20.36 | KotCzarny | so i won't run in circles |
| 20:20.37 | lcuk2 | by the way, i have dpi free scaling of fonts now :) i dropped sdl_ttf :) |
| 20:20.42 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 20:20.55 | GeneralAntilles | Now with less suck! |
| 20:21.00 | KotCzarny | mango: problem i have with kernel |
| 20:21.05 | KotCzarny | erm. with mplayer |
| 20:21.08 | lcuk2 | at the 225dpi this device is at a 16 point font is massive :) |
| 20:21.11 | KotCzarny | and it's too hot to think |
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| 20:21.57 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, it never sucked anyway - i discovered why you didnt get full speed and added a later -turbo option and stuff |
| 20:22.27 | lcuk2 | i wonder if we can mirror |
| 20:22.38 | lcuk2 | not just rotate |
| 20:22.42 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 20:22.53 | KotCzarny | xrandr should do rotation and mirroring |
| 20:23.03 | lcuk2 | xrandrandm |
| 20:23.23 | KotCzarny | i can't test right now because i have tried reflashing original kernel |
| 20:24.11 | GeneralAntilles | -turbo sets 400MHz all the time? |
| 20:24.11 | lcuk2 | im glad i took out the sdl_ttf ref :) its another less thing to worry about having installed |
| 20:24.36 | lcuk2 | no, turbo adjusts the omdemand threshhold for the run of the program |
| 20:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 20:24.56 | lcuk2 | its doing so little and optimised so well that its under the default 80% that its set to |
| 20:24.58 | Jaffa | lcuk2: what are you actually full screen rendering? |
| 20:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | Right, I remember |
| 20:25.05 | lcuk2 | just test |
| 20:25.08 | lcuk2 | text |
| 20:25.21 | lcuk2 | and lines and dots and maybe circles when i put the code in |
| 20:25.31 | lcuk2 | and pictures when i get a yuv jpeg loader ;) |
| 20:25.35 | Jaffa | ah, so proof-of-concept type stuff |
| 20:25.50 | lcuk2 | yer im just playing - i want fullscreen tear free screen updates |
| 20:26.04 | lcuk2 | (for a book reader) |
| 20:26.19 | lcuk2 | oh kot, i also dug out my pdf parser |
| 20:26.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:26.32 | KotCzarny | why not using poppler? |
| 20:26.42 | KotCzarny | unless you want only text from pdfs |
| 20:26.48 | lcuk2 | wanna see how full pdf pages look at tearfree :) |
| 20:27.02 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 20:27.19 | lcuk2 | ive wrote loads of tiny mods to play with different aspects of it - like the starfield |
| 20:27.24 | lcuk2 | and the book test |
| 20:27.32 | lcuk2 | and a little drawing proggy |
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| 20:28.15 | Jaffa | lcuk2: cool |
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| 20:29.00 | lcuk2 | it certainly is, i just need to learn enough about licensing and repos and blogs and all that jibe so i can get them tested and see what we can do with them (if anything) |
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| 20:30.47 | lcuk2 | web and or server space isnt that expensive nowadays is it? |
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| 20:30.58 | lcuk2 | or am i best of sticking to googlepages or blogger or something |
| 20:31.50 | KotCzarny | depends how reliable you need it to be |
| 20:31.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:32.03 | Jaffa | garage project? |
| 20:32.04 | jott | lcuk2: using some ready service will probably shorten the time until we see your code :P |
| 20:32.20 | KotCzarny | jott: i believe xomap randr patch is buggy.. |
| 20:32.30 | jott | when/where? |
| 20:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, remember, release early, release often. ;) |
| 20:32.45 | KotCzarny | i can't play videos using nokia770 or xv drivers |
| 20:32.46 | KotCzarny | with mplayer |
| 20:32.49 | lcuk2 | jaffa im not a member.. but membership has bonuses doesnt it |
| 20:33.06 | jott | rotated or not rotated? |
| 20:33.10 | KotCzarny | doesn't matter |
| 20:33.18 | KotCzarny | black screen |
| 20:33.25 | jott | hm i bet you have v1 ;) |
| 20:33.29 | KotCzarny | no |
| 20:33.34 | KotCzarny | i have reinstalled newer package |
| 20:33.36 | Jaffa | lcuk2: indeed, such as increased karma => better chance of discount on next device |
| 20:33.40 | jott | KotCzarny: of kernel |
| 20:33.43 | KotCzarny | kernel too |
| 20:33.55 | lcuk2 | jaffa :) i read that, i may just have to joinup then |
| 20:34.02 | lcuk2 | the garage has cvs doesnt it |
| 20:34.03 | KotCzarny | but i have tried flashing original kernel (unpatched) |
| 20:34.09 | Jaffa | lcuk2: svn, so even better |
| 20:34.18 | KotCzarny | jott: i have to test it still |
| 20:34.19 | lcuk2 | fairy muff |
| 20:34.28 | jott | KotCzarny: please do so |
| 20:34.33 | KotCzarny | how to update to original xomap? |
| 20:34.52 | jott | just dpkg -i xser*deb |
| 20:35.04 | KotCzarny | ahm, so no apt-get type automation? |
| 20:35.15 | KotCzarny | or --force-reinstall ? |
| 20:35.25 | jott | no.. due to osso-software-version borkness |
| 20:35.32 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 20:35.39 | KotCzarny | i should find the deb then |
| 20:35.59 | jott | erm |
| 20:36.35 | KotCzarny | btw. using rotation command on unpatched kernel + patched xomap is fun ;) |
| 20:37.06 | lcuk2 | lol @ rollback procedures ;) |
| 20:37.12 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/x/xorg-server/ |
| 20:37.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:37.19 | KotCzarny | this one is ok? |
| 20:37.32 | jott | if there where any debs :) |
| 20:37.39 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 20:37.43 | KotCzarny | silly me |
| 20:37.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:37.52 | jott | yeah it seems to be missing |
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| 20:41.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 20:43.59 | KotCzarny | how can i get a server name from which deb would be taken? |
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| 20:44.35 | oob | Nokia Nerds |
| 20:44.41 | KotCzarny | where? |
| 20:45.08 | oob | there! -> |
| 20:45.17 | KotCzarny | black space |
| 20:45.21 | KotCzarny | nothing's there |
| 20:45.46 | oob | i see nerd people and some of them.. ..live here! |
| 20:45.56 | KotCzarny | i see nothing |
| 20:46.03 | KotCzarny | maybe i'm not nerdish enough |
| 20:46.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:46.08 | KotCzarny | or too much |
| 20:46.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:46.46 | celesteh | hey, so if you put gps city guide and maemo mapper togther in a cage fight . . . . |
| 20:47.16 | celesteh | are they complimentary or competing? Which is better? |
| 20:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | Complementary |
| 20:51.55 | celesteh | ah, i see they share maps |
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| 20:52.45 | celesteh | so does city guide know about POIs ahead of time based or do I need to add them myself? |
| 20:53.01 | celesteh | Like, if I say I'm in London, does it know about the Tate Modern? |
| 20:54.45 | celesteh | ah, i have found the answers to my questions |
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| 20:55.44 | celesteh | this is very cool. nice app! |
| 20:56.07 | KotCzarny | we were glad to help |
| 20:56.52 | celesteh | i just went to 2008 this evening. there are all kinds of new apps since i last updated anything |
| 20:57.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:57.10 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:57.42 | celesteh | somebody went out and wrote all the toys i wanted! |
| 20:57.53 | KotCzarny | and there will be more |
| 20:58.03 | celesteh | w00t |
| 20:58.05 | KotCzarny | because it's so simple to create new apps |
| 20:58.15 | KotCzarny | only limit is device speed |
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| 20:59.57 | celesteh | gpscamera also seems cool. what i really want is something that will read a gps track, look at the time on the photo and figure out where it must have been taken |
| 21:00.02 | celesteh | and then upload it to flickr |
| 21:00.18 | celesteh | the internal camera on the n800 is totally crap |
| 21:02.58 | celesteh | i also want a pony |
| 21:03.23 | KotCzarny | what will you do with it? |
| 21:03.57 | celesteh | the pony? um, well, of course, it needs a mapping application and variable speeds. also, i'd like it to go at least 10 hours between charges |
| 21:04.31 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:04.42 | KotCzarny | are we talking about real pony or some gadget? |
| 21:04.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:05.02 | wnd | inflatable, perhaps... |
| 21:05.08 | KotCzarny | urghghgh |
| 21:05.11 | celesteh | a pony boy . . . |
| 21:05.19 | KotCzarny | the goggles! they do nothing! |
| 21:06.03 | KotCzarny | celesteh: i can tell you one thing, interracial stuff is inpractical |
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| 21:06.11 | KotCzarny | and clumsy sometimes |
| 21:06.51 | celesteh | um, i assume this is a matapor i don't know, kotczarny? |
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| 21:07.37 | KotCzarny | how should i interpret 'pony boy' ? |
| 21:07.39 | celesteh | does not actually seek a pony boy |
| 21:07.44 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 21:07.45 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 21:08.22 | celesteh | heh, well, if you look in google (or have ever been unfortunate enough to work for a search engine) pony boy actualy refers to humans who like to, um, dress up |
| 21:08.40 | KotCzarny | you mean, furries? |
| 21:08.58 | celesteh | no, this seems to be much more specific |
| 21:09.02 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 21:09.27 | Tama^2 | Hi |
| 21:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Tama^2. |
| 21:10.10 | KotCzarny | furries dressed like a ponies? |
| 21:10.23 | Tama^2 | Hello GA |
| 21:10.37 | skibur | any good microproccess that can be coded in C++? |
| 21:11.20 | lcuk2 | omg ponies!!! :D |
| 21:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | !!! |
| 21:12.34 | skibur | microprocessor |
| 21:12.36 | lcuk2 | got a mail today: From: John Subject: Remove!!! i replied: Remove!!! what!!! from!!! where??? |
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| 21:12.59 | KotCzarny | anti-viagra ad? |
| 21:13.21 | lcuk2 | no, real person one of my addresses is quite basic - and picks up lots of other gmail addies |
| 21:13.56 | lcuk2 | theres loads of person.myemail@gmail.com and people copy and paste and forget the first part |
| 21:14.47 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 21:15.03 | lcuk2 | i have all kinds of nutters mailing it |
| 21:15.11 | KotCzarny | and misspellers? |
| 21:15.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:15.21 | lcuk2 | nahhh, thats my other one |
| 21:16.08 | KotCzarny | http://www.bigskygypsy.com/Images/fell%20pony%20stallion.jpg |
| 21:16.10 | KotCzarny | pony |
| 21:16.20 | KotCzarny | emo pony |
| 21:16.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 21:16.30 | lcuk2 | thats been photoshopped. the reflections are all wrong |
| 21:16.40 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:16.45 | KotCzarny | there was something in background |
| 21:16.47 | KotCzarny | on that pic |
| 21:16.58 | lcuk2 | a KotCzarny in a pony suit? |
| 21:17.05 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 21:17.37 | lcuk2 | i shouldnt laugh at ponies and stuff though. |
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| 21:18.02 | lcuk2 | their relative (donkey) is a bit pissed at us after me and my dad almost ran one over :S |
| 21:18.13 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:18.24 | KotCzarny | donkey have a character |
| 21:18.30 | KotCzarny | donkeys |
| 21:18.30 | lcuk2 | we had to wipe donkey spit off the windscreen and pay for damage to the car |
| 21:18.46 | lcuk2 | but it was still standing |
| 21:18.52 | keesj | On the same site I Web Design! If you like what you see on these pages let Big Sky Web Design create a cost effective web site for you. |
| 21:19.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:19.22 | KotCzarny | keesj.. i just used google images |
| 21:19.34 | lcuk2 | small world |
| 21:19.38 | KotCzarny | i try to avoid looking at the pages after that ;) |
| 21:19.59 | lcuk2 | at least now we know what was in the background |
| 21:20.05 | lcuk2 | a keesj in a pony suit :P |
| 21:20.10 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 21:20.40 | lcuk2 | it actually looks quite easy on the eye |
| 21:20.53 | lcuk2 | likes a nice simple logical layout :) |
| 21:21.04 | KotCzarny | http://www.miniatureponycentre.com/img/pony008.jpg |
| 21:21.06 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 21:22.43 | lcuk2 | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/01/funny-pictures-lolcat-seeds/ |
| 21:22.59 | pupnik | did you ever try building picodrive KotCzarny ? |
| 21:23.14 | KotCzarny | pupnik: nope |
| 21:23.21 | pupnik | k |
| 21:23.24 | KotCzarny | i'm fighting with mplayer right now |
| 21:23.45 | KotCzarny | xv/nokia770 driver stopped working for me |
| 21:23.49 | KotCzarny | and i don't know why |
| 21:24.00 | KotCzarny | tried old .25 and current .26 |
| 21:24.24 | lcuk2 | related to rotation? |
| 21:24.25 | KotCzarny | i suspect xomap's randr path |
| 21:24.28 | KotCzarny | patch |
| 21:24.42 | KotCzarny | on unrotated screen even |
| 21:24.46 | keesj | stop stop stop, stop stop stop, I can not handle any more urls for now. this is a serious channel about maemo development not about show me you mule |
| 21:24.59 | lcuk2 | lol keesj |
| 21:25.12 | KotCzarny | if the pony has 'maemo' written on it |
| 21:25.14 | KotCzarny | does it count? |
| 21:25.14 | lcuk2 | its not like we are gettin in the way - i know this is serious business |
| 21:25.24 | lcuk2 | IRC: SERIOUS BUSINESS |
| 21:25.33 | KotCzarny | SRSBSNS |
| 21:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | YARLY! |
| 21:26.56 | KotCzarny | lcuk: btw. you should upgrade to firefox .13, feels more snappy |
| 21:27.03 | KotCzarny | when opening new tabs for example |
| 21:27.13 | lcuk2 | i have done |
| 21:27.16 | lcuk2 | as we spoke last night |
| 21:27.19 | lcuk2 | what online games would be good to play with n8x0? |
| 21:27.28 | KotCzarny | probably flash games |
| 21:27.32 | lcuk2 | what would you like to use your touchscreen to play |
| 21:27.33 | KotCzarny | because we don't have java |
| 21:27.36 | lcuk2 | too slow |
| 21:27.36 | oob | multiplayer notepad? |
| 21:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | We need a NIT Doom/Quake community. |
| 21:27.45 | lcuk2 | would air hockey be good against a real opponent |
| 21:27.48 | KotCzarny | we have irc |
| 21:27.54 | KotCzarny | oob: |
| 21:27.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:28.10 | KotCzarny | gps wars? |
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| 21:28.21 | KotCzarny | or gps le mans |
| 21:28.23 | lcuk2 | lol - would take too long to get a fix |
| 21:28.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:28.40 | KotCzarny | i fix harder! |
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| 21:28.48 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, |
| 21:28.53 | lcuk2 | what a wicked idea |
| 21:29.14 | keesj | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/pteq.html |
| 21:29.15 | lcuk2 | decide on a track length and in respective part of town go walk/run/cycle/drive |
| 21:29.16 | KotCzarny | hmm, multiplayer tetris |
| 21:29.25 | lcuk2 | thats the idea kot |
| 21:29.33 | KotCzarny | there's xtris already |
| 21:29.34 | KotCzarny | though |
| 21:29.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:29.36 | keesj | I wonder if I can attach that to a nokia tablet |
| 21:29.50 | KotCzarny | probably compiling o-o-t-b |
| 21:30.01 | lcuk2 | keesj, would YOU let anyone pee near your nokia? |
| 21:30.01 | fysa | there's a new tetrinet replacement? |
| 21:30.18 | KotCzarny | fysa: in the beginning, there was xtris |
| 21:30.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:30.33 | fysa | yes, xtris is old. didn't realize it was more than 2 players. |
| 21:30.35 | fysa | :) |
| 21:30.48 | KotCzarny | yes, it was |
| 21:30.48 | keesj | lcuk2: my nokia follows me everywhere. |
| 21:30.52 | KotCzarny | up to 8 or 16 players |
| 21:30.55 | KotCzarny | afair |
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| 21:30.59 | lcuk2 | ok, we have a camera a mic a touch screen and possibly a gps. whilst we cant to tilt n shake, what can we use it all for |
| 21:31.03 | celesteh | doom! |
| 21:31.03 | lcuk2 | lol keesj |
| 21:31.07 | KotCzarny | we have played it before exams in uni |
| 21:31.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:31.09 | lcuk2 | doom is there isnt it |
| 21:31.19 | lcuk2 | thats not designed for this device |
| 21:31.25 | KotCzarny | lcuk: camera based blinking game? |
| 21:31.37 | celesteh | oh my god, this is bad news. if i have doom, i wil never work again |
| 21:31.49 | KotCzarny | celesteh: you're doomed |
| 21:31.50 | GeneralAntilles | I want to play Quake |
| 21:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | (multiplayer) |
| 21:32.10 | lcuk2 | sod that - ut99 for me :) |
| 21:32.11 | fysa | Diablo. ;) |
| 21:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | UT99 is a little out of its capabilities. :P |
| 21:32.30 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, <3 UT99 |
| 21:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | Best mods of any FPS ever. |
| 21:32.41 | lcuk2 | not if we get the ermmm thingymabob working :) |
| 21:32.46 | lcuk2 | we play every dinner |
| 21:33.09 | lcuk2 | to be able to login from the device will be good :) |
| 21:33.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:38.27 | lcuk2 | KotCzarny, im expanding my save abilities. im gonna udp them to my windows box as i perform actions.. |
| 21:38.37 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:38.51 | KotCzarny | tell me.. what you're really up to? |
| 21:38.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:38.58 | lcuk2 | learning :) |
| 21:39.04 | KotCzarny | yeah.. sure.. |
| 21:39.04 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:39.11 | lcuk2 | putting all the pieces i have had infront of me for about 10 years together :) |
| 21:39.17 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 21:39.19 | lcuk2 | but never had a device to do it on |
| 21:40.38 | pupnik | celesteh, i found the most controllable 3d shooter to be solmumaha's Duke3d port |
| 21:40.41 | KotCzarny | start making a lib |
| 21:40.47 | lcuk2 | i told ya, ive been on methadone. |
| 21:40.55 | pupnik | offtopic: best unedited movie fight scene ever? (4 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K06wDn3XsZE |
| 21:40.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:41.12 | lcuk2 | everything i am doing has a small api - i can change the backend without touching the simplish frontend |
| 21:41.33 | KotCzarny | good :) |
| 21:41.42 | lcuk2 | flagged pupnik you got an off-youtube link to same thing so it can be viewed without signing in |
| 21:41.48 | KotCzarny | To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by logging in or signing up. |
| 21:41.50 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 21:42.21 | aquatix | o/` The internet is for porn! o/` |
| 21:42.24 | lcuk2 | is it better than hercules? |
| 21:42.35 | lcuk2 | astarring arnold strong |
| 21:42.49 | aquatix | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645 <- really funny |
| 21:42.55 | aquatix | and no rickroll :) |
| 21:43.47 | lcuk2 | for the best wow soundtrack: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1788226734163789045 |
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| 21:44.47 | aquatix | lcuk2: hey, isn't that the same? |
| 21:45.08 | lcuk2 | same background i think, diff song tho - this is the original |
| 21:45.23 | lcuk2 | actually no its not |
| 21:45.28 | lcuk2 | they are both diff |
| 21:45.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.14 | KotCzarny | nicely done |
| 21:46.40 | lcuk2 | both v old tho |
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| 22:00.35 | KotCzarny | a riddle: how many patents can be on a plain cartoon box ? |
| 22:00.50 | KotCzarny | answer: i see 9 listed and 'other patents pending' |
| 22:01.15 | aquatix | is too tired to understand the joke |
| 22:01.32 | KotCzarny | damnit, it's a cartoon box. |
| 22:01.43 | KotCzarny | arm |
| 22:01.50 | KotCzarny | i may be using wrong word |
| 22:02.06 | KotCzarny | 'carton, cardboard box' |
| 22:02.18 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 22:02.27 | aquatix | wtf |
| 22:02.39 | aquatix | 9+more pending on the concept of `cardboard box'? |
| 22:02.48 | aquatix | *sigh* |
| 22:02.55 | KotCzarny | i don't know if it's on concept |
| 22:03.39 | aquatix | i get the point |
| 22:03.53 | lcuk2 | how much multitouch does the iphone have? is it 2 point only, or full chording? |
| 22:03.53 | KotCzarny | us patents: 4932930 5147271 5375715 5381948 5400955 5713469 5988389 6394742 6358191 |
| 22:03.54 | aquatix | there are things like `special way of ripping this part open' and such |
| 22:04.04 | aquatix | lcuk2: i think 2 |
| 22:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | I believe it's only 2 point. |
| 22:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | Not something I ever bothered to test. |
| 22:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | and I think it's an intentional software 'limitation' |
| 22:04.50 | KotCzarny | " Method and machine for forming cases with polygonal section made from a sheet material and cases thus obtained" |
| 22:05.23 | lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, it could be to do with the method they are using to detect touch |
| 22:05.23 | aquatix | KotCzarny: and that's why the patent office needs a thorough clean-up... |
| 22:06.07 | lcuk2 | newest technology on touch would put a light sensor in every rgb pixel. (uses light reflecting back off fingers from lcd backlight to detect touch :) ) |
| 22:06.21 | lcuk2 | i doubt they are using that tho |
| 22:06.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: that would be expensive? |
| 22:06.42 | GeneralAntilles | The newer MacBooks have 3-finger gestures |
| 22:06.45 | GeneralAntilles | For forward/back |
| 22:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | Fairly cool. |
| 22:07.03 | lcuk2 | to be honest, it wouldnt be that bad - it can (apparantly) be produced with the same tech monitors are made with |
| 22:07.17 | lcuk2 | its just an extra pixel going in the opposite direction |
| 22:07.31 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:07.37 | KotCzarny | much data |
| 22:07.52 | lcuk2 | yes, but just like a webcam :) |
| 22:07.59 | KotCzarny | more like scanner |
| 22:08.16 | lcuk2 | not really, we use webcams to do photo analysis already |
| 22:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | I want a touchscreen technology that doesn't suck balls. |
| 22:08.25 | Navi | Perspective Pixel |
| 22:08.33 | KotCzarny | but it will detect only close objects |
| 22:08.40 | KotCzarny | otherwise it will pickup much noise |
| 22:09.26 | KotCzarny | laser operated touchscreen? |
| 22:09.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:09.40 | KotCzarny | laserpointer |
| 22:09.54 | lcuk2 | wiimote does job well enough |
| 22:10.08 | KotCzarny | with blue beam for rightclick |
| 22:10.11 | lcuk2 | if you're holding something, might as well make it active as well |
| 22:10.14 | KotCzarny | red for moving |
| 22:10.27 | KotCzarny | and white for left click |
| 22:10.32 | lcuk2 | just send movement over when it moves and a click signal when you click ;) |
| 22:11.17 | KotCzarny | i should eat something |
| 22:11.32 | lcuk2 | a horse or pony? |
| 22:11.36 | KotCzarny | fish |
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| 22:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice to get the Wiimote drivers a little less nasty. |
| 22:12.51 | lcuk2 | it might actually |
| 22:13.13 | Navi | Nothing wrong with the current Wiimote interpreters, libraries, and modules |
| 22:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | They need to be zero-effort. |
| 22:14.10 | Navi | Libraries like cwiid are up to the developers |
| 22:16.54 | Navi | the effort that one needs to make to use a wiimote-based app is determined by the developer side. |
| 22:17.09 | Navi | s/ side// |
| 22:23.22 | KotCzarny | ah. well. i can't find xserver-xomap deb |
| 22:23.27 | KotCzarny | i will have to compile it |
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| 22:29.25 | johnx | its in the repo... |
| 22:29.37 | KotCzarny | how can i get it then? |
| 22:33.02 | johnx | wget |
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| 22:33.26 | KotCzarny | link? |
| 22:33.37 | KotCzarny | because i can't find it |
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| 22:36.32 | johnx | aaah...ok, I guess I repacked it. at least the source parts of the package are here to make rebuilding trivial: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/x/xorg-server/ |
| 22:36.50 | KotCzarny | johnx: that's what i have written |
| 22:36.51 | johnx | or use the one on sse2.net/rotate or dpkg-repack the one on your tablet |
| 22:36.56 | KotCzarny | that i will have to build one myself |
| 22:37.06 | KotCzarny | and yes, i need original unpatched one |
| 22:37.25 | KotCzarny | because i suspects rotation patch brakes xv/nokia770 in mplayer |
| 22:37.35 | KotCzarny | and i want to try unpatched first |
| 22:37.56 | johnx | ah, try the newest rotation stuff |
| 22:37.59 | johnx | that unbreaks it |
| 22:38.01 | KotCzarny | i have tried |
| 22:38.22 | KotCzarny | that's why i want to see what exactly brakes mplayer on my IT |
| 22:38.52 | vlad_ | ("breaks" :) |
| 22:39.05 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 22:39.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:39.22 | KotCzarny | i have written it correctly at first |
| 22:39.38 | KotCzarny | then wrong form stuck in my mind |
| 22:40.22 | KotCzarny | my dictionary says 'brake' is an archaic form of break ;) |
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| 22:42.35 | jott | KotCzarny: i would just recommend re-installing my kernel and xomap this should be the easiest fix ;) |
| 22:42.46 | KotCzarny | jott: hrm |
| 22:42.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:42.56 | KotCzarny | but i believe mplayer was working |
| 22:43.20 | jott | thats why you should reinstall :) |
| 22:43.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:44.28 | vlad_ | #define PIPESIZE qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338 |
| 22:44.30 | vlad_ | 65536 |
| 22:44.32 | vlad_ | smooth. |
| 22:44.53 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 22:44.57 | KotCzarny | i was getting 338 too |
| 22:45.03 | vlad_ | yeah, seems harmless |
| 22:45.04 | KotCzarny | with 4.[23] |
| 22:45.10 | KotCzarny | seems. |
| 22:45.13 | vlad_ | it was just funny because that #define was generated by a script |
| 22:45.13 | jott | well when rotated only xv makes some trouble but in normal mode there are no problems, be it xv or omapfb output |
| 22:45.20 | vlad_ | which seems to have included stderr output in its .h file |
| 22:45.27 | jott | maybe it's your mplayer :p |
| 22:45.43 | KotCzarny | jott: but i have mplayer binary that was working earlier |
| 22:45.55 | KotCzarny | so it's not that |
| 22:46.02 | jott | well all i can say WORKSFORME bug closed ;) |
| 22:46.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:46.46 | KotCzarny | i will know for sure after i reinstall xomap |
| 22:47.14 | jott | and flash kernel |
| 22:47.26 | KotCzarny | i had flashed original kernel |
| 22:48.54 | KotCzarny | btw. i've got mplayer's alsa output working by simply editing /etc/asound.conf |
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| 23:14.07 | vlad_ | KotCzarny: bah, all these binaries run fine on the device, but I keep getting the qemu error (cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires) |
| 23:15.26 | vlad_ | maybe this ld-linux.so.2 is too new? |
| 23:15.27 | KotCzarny | so.2 ? |
| 23:15.27 | vlad_ | er, .3 |
| 23:15.31 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:15.38 | vlad_ | mm, there's an execstack tool |
| 23:15.40 | vlad_ | that can flip that big |
| 23:15.43 | KotCzarny | i believe whole sys should be rebuilt.. |
| 23:16.35 | KotCzarny | or maybe try compiling gcc with glibc2.5 ? |
| 23:16.47 | KotCzarny | native one |
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| 23:31.36 | vlad_ | KotCzarny: ok, using execstack and clearing the bit (execstack --clear-execstack /lib/*.so.[0-9] /usr/lib/*.so.[0-9]) works |
| 23:31.40 | vlad_ | whee |
| 23:31.55 | KotCzarny | whoo |
| 23:32.05 | vlad_ | sec, i'll copy over execstack somewhere |
| 23:33.32 | vlad_ | http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/misc/execstack.armel |
| 23:33.39 | vlad_ | needs libelfg0 |
| 23:34.35 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 23:44.54 | pupnik | you making newer gcc work vlad_ ? |
| 23:45.20 | KotCzarny | pupnik: it works |
| 23:45.23 | KotCzarny | nearly |
| 23:45.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:45.44 | pupnik | i really want to get profiled optimization of dosbox |
| 23:45.48 | pupnik | cause it's so awful right now |
| 23:46.01 | pupnik | and it segfaults when i try with gcc 3.x |
| 23:46.27 | KotCzarny | http://web.archive.org/web/20060111034355/http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_performance_test_process.html |
| 23:46.42 | KotCzarny | anyone know if there's updated version of that page? |
| 23:47.37 | pupnik | wow nice find KotCzarny |
| 23:47.56 | KotCzarny | but missing from maemo.org |
| 23:48.11 | KotCzarny | so i assume there should be version that made this one obsolete |
| 23:52.45 | pupnik | maybe further howto is restricted to internal |
| 23:53.01 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 23:53.19 | pupnik | i do not see very much that is outdated |
| 23:53.35 | KotCzarny | 2005 |
| 23:53.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:53.58 | pupnik | the core info and methodology remains the same |
| 23:54.04 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:54.17 | KotCzarny | but there may be some new tools |
| 23:54.28 | KotCzarny | or existing ones enhanced |
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| 23:56.45 | KotCzarny | from fanoush mail on some list: I tend to avoid IRC because it is big waste of time. |
| 23:56.46 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 23:57.02 | KotCzarny | like all games |
