| 00:00.09 | KotCzarny | defaults are ok |
| 00:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, hopefully that's in the next few months. |
| 00:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade is on the case! |
| 00:00.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:00.30 | Paavo | The phone of course connects to the public net, and getting to the intranet from there would require cumbersome authentication. As for chatting with outsiders, it's a few clicks in the PuTTY client. |
| 00:00.31 | milhouse | Fingers crossed :) |
| 00:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | texrat's making some moves on it internally, evidently. |
| 00:00.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:01.02 | Paavo | milhouse: Whatever "repository madness" you have - trust me, it's way better than anything on S60 side. |
| 00:01.17 | milhouse | Texrat bless him - I hope he doesn't get burned by all of this |
| 00:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | For serious. |
| 00:01.54 | milhouse | Paavo: Dunno, never used an S60 although I'm waiting to buy the N96 when it comes out... |
| 00:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | I think he may have gotten a bit of a smackdown on his internal blogging, though. :\ |
| 00:01.54 | Paavo | The S60 side has problems with much more basic things. |
| 00:02.35 | lcuk | i hear the 95 has similar gps connection problems |
| 00:02.52 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed, did very much sound like a management slapping |
| 00:02.53 | lcuk | but it has an assistedsoftware fix to push it |
| 00:03.06 | doc|home | waiting for the openmoko freerunner? |
| 00:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | More corporate stupidity. |
| 00:03.24 | milhouse | Paavo: But on the tablets, the repositories are a complete mess with literally every app creating their own "section" or using one of three spellings for the same section (Utilities, utilities, utils etc.). Total bollox for a device that's supposed to be end user ready |
| 00:04.15 | lcuk | isnt that the fault of the developers though - or should nokia hold off and release a full sdk and toolchain which works nicely (like apple have done) |
| 00:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | Well, packagers should be less stupid. |
| 00:04.43 | lcuk | if i tried to make a package now i would fail. but because the software might work it might have to stick |
| 00:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | But Nokia hasn't set down any good guidelines. |
| 00:05.00 | lcuk | they shouldnt need to - this is linux stuff isnt it? |
| 00:05.03 | milhouse | lcuk: absolutely it's the fault of the developers, some of whome are Nokia developers. But as the repositories are also hosted on Nokia infra it's their responsibility to help clean them up, as other distros do |
| 00:05.22 | milhouse | Nokia have guidelines, but don't enforce them - end result: a mess |
| 00:05.38 | lcuk | yes, and things cant change overnight, i have just seen people mentioned who are in there trying to help |
| 00:05.41 | milhouse | GA: they have, the problem is nobody bothers with them |
| 00:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | We need a half-dozen people to QC Extras. |
| 00:05.51 | Paavo | so you say there should be people auditing the quality of the packages and rejecting those who don't conform? |
| 00:06.03 | milhouse | Paavo: DAMN RIGHT |
| 00:06.06 | milhouse | :) |
| 00:06.12 | `0660 | i agree |
| 00:06.13 | milhouse | Absolutely... sanity check them |
| 00:06.15 | GeneralAntilles | Well, sticking them in Extra-devel, anyway. |
| 00:06.18 | lcuk | lol paavo, its not such rejecting - its helping mould the packages to the standard - discuss with devs how to help |
| 00:06.35 | lcuk | i fight every day against DRM |
| 00:06.36 | milhouse | Consistency and Quality will sky rocket |
| 00:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Extras access needs to be streamlined, too. |
| 00:07.04 | lcuk | i wanted an open system - let the nokia people actively help to get packages straight |
| 00:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | So we can get everybody and their mother to stop putting up their own repos. |
| 00:07.38 | lcdd | Debian has an automated tool to help developers find problems with their packages before they submit them |
| 00:07.51 | Paavo | lintian? |
| 00:07.59 | Jaffa | Debian and Ubuntu don't expect random developers to stick good packages in their repositories, they have teams ensuring consistency |
| 00:08.04 | lcuk | "ok, you just submitted a package for xyz, its looking good, but you used the wrong install key, the shortcut you created is green" |
| 00:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | If a user can turn on and connect their brand new device, open up Application manager, enabled Extras and have access to most-all of the good application packages, we'll be in a good place. |
| 00:08.18 | Jaffa | Hear hear |
| 00:08.38 | milhouse | Agreed |
| 00:08.53 | milhouse | Does anyone actually view Application Manager using anything but "All"? |
| 00:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:09.10 | milhouse | Ridiculous, isn't it |
| 00:09.13 | lcuk | i try not to use it at all nowadays |
| 00:09.17 | GeneralAntilles | Who could guess what category the stuff you're looking for is in? |
| 00:09.18 | milhouse | fair point |
| 00:09.21 | KotCzarny | doesn't use app-manager at all |
| 00:09.42 | lcuk | only because i have a stable machine and it does what i want - i guess somedays i will browse the list |
| 00:09.42 | milhouse | GA: You can't! Although I reckon I know what's in "Boingo" ffs... one app, called Boingo |
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| 00:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager is the only way to find cool new applications. :P |
| 00:10.47 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 00:10.50 | milhouse | Boingo... contains Boingomobile... a third party app, no doubt created with the involvement of Nokia... and still they flout the guidelines and fck it up - put in Communication for crying out loud! |
| 00:10.50 | KotCzarny | maemo.org is |
| 00:10.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:11.08 | lcuk | yer, but the amount of epople who have bad experiences : re bad repo list etc make me nervous - i have backed off everything and just have the nokia ones no |
| 00:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, the only trouble you'll really run into is with the rtcomm beta repo. |
| 00:11.35 | GeneralAntilles | and an apt-get upgrade. |
| 00:12.03 | milhouse | I just tend to avoid personal repositories full stop |
| 00:12.06 | Paavo | So, how could that be helped? Develop a tool that automatically checks some basics and accepts the package only if it passes? |
| 00:12.24 | KotCzarny | repackage .debs |
| 00:12.28 | KotCzarny | on the fly |
| 00:12.33 | lcuk | the amount of times manager pops up and says "repo couldnt be contacted, file corrupt, cannot install" is more worrying than a single broken program |
| 00:12.37 | GeneralAntilles | We need people who know what the hell they're doing managing Extras. |
| 00:12.40 | KotCzarny | and a http form with preset fcategories |
| 00:12.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:13.03 | milhouse | Paavo: A few ideas were being thrown about on the mailing list a few weeks/months back... basically a checking tool, perhaps with real people eyeballing and installing apps to make sure they install ok, don't crash immediately, are in the right section, have a description etc. |
| 00:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | I love all the applications with the name as the description. <_< |
| 00:13.35 | milhouse | Apart from the installation side of things, the basic sanity checks can be done in a few seconds |
| 00:13.56 | milhouse | GA: They'd be first up against the wall... |
| 00:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's always stupid obscure stuff with non-descriptive names that I'd have to google to figure out what the hell they do. |
| 00:14.38 | milhouse | And of course it doesn't mean every update has to be checked... perhaps just the first time an app appears in Extras-devel and then any time certain fields change in the package |
| 00:15.09 | milhouse | if an update appears which has the same description/section etc. then no need to re-check it apart from ensuring it installs |
| 00:15.21 | milhouse | which may become optional |
| 00:15.35 | lcuk | milhouse, level of trust increases, a frequently updates app with good stability is different to a first time user submitting an alternative program doing something completely different 24 hours after the first ever accepted submission |
| 00:15.50 | milhouse | lcuk: spot on |
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| 00:16.22 | milhouse | ultimately it can become a very workable system with only a few "helpers" |
| 00:16.27 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 00:16.29 | Jaffa | <sigh/> |
| 00:16.31 | KotCzarny | even 1 |
| 00:16.48 | lcuk | then who will give up their job and do it - seriously, if nokia asked you - would YOU do it? |
| 00:16.48 | milhouse | yep, though the initial flood could be a bit overwhelming :) |
| 00:16.55 | milhouse | lcuk: Sure |
| 00:17.00 | Jaffa | lcuk: yes, I volunteered. As did loads others. |
| 00:17.05 | milhouse | I even said I would in the mailing list |
| 00:17.30 | Jaffa | Nokia asked for the community to come up with a plan. We did, and asked for feedback on whether it'd conflict with anything Nokia had in their (secret) pipeline. There was no response. |
| 00:17.34 | KotCzarny | i have much time too |
| 00:17.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:17.36 | milhouse | Basic sanity checking could be done while I'm at work... check the description is accurate, it's in the right section for what it's supposed to do etc. |
| 00:17.42 | milhouse | Installing may have to wait until I get home |
| 00:17.46 | lcuk | alternatively since lots have offered. how could we do it as a community then? some kind of central pusher to send a list of moderators the submissions |
| 00:17.54 | Jaffa | 's time is too precious to chase up Nokia to help them sort out their own mess. |
| 00:17.59 | KotCzarny | let's make another repo! |
| 00:18.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:18.11 | lcuk | :D |
| 00:18.18 | KotCzarny | extras-eyeballed |
| 00:18.20 | Jaffa | lcuk: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/01/13/solving_the_lack_of_qa_and_muliple_repos |
| 00:18.31 | Paavo | One thing to take into account is that there was a reorg at the beginning of this year and things may not be completely settled down yet. |
| 00:18.35 | Jaffa | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-January/013889.html more specifically. |
| 00:18.53 | milhouse | Jaffa: And *THAT'S* the Nokia attitude that pisses me off... we spend a lot of time proposing ideas, even working on solutions only for Nokia to say nothing and work on their own thing, eventually wasting our time |
| 00:18.55 | lcuk | paavo, i said this earlier - things do not happen overnight :) |
| 00:19.13 | GeneralAntilles | The glacial rate of corporate movement is a big problem for a primarily open source project like this. |
| 00:19.24 | milhouse | lcuk: Basically yes, it's just a workflow issue |
| 00:19.27 | KotCzarny | then why not take task in out hands? |
| 00:19.27 | Paavo | I don't have any inside information on the Maemo side, but overall a complete reorg does slow things down. |
| 00:19.39 | KotCzarny | let's make a repo, good one |
| 00:19.48 | KotCzarny | it can be merged later into extars |
| 00:19.50 | KotCzarny | extras |
| 00:20.11 | lcuk | pupnik has already essentially started :) |
| 00:20.12 | KotCzarny | but it will be good to have a packages base ready |
| 00:20.18 | KotCzarny | good :) |
| 00:20.19 | milhouse | Paavo: No offence, but it's the same old excuses such as that one which are trotted out to make up for the problems that never improve. |
| 00:20.31 | KotCzarny | now the more detailed plan is needed :) |
| 00:21.14 | GeneralAntilles | It would help a lot if we got a little more useful communication on some of the big issues. |
| 00:21.19 | lcuk | ok, supposing we went down your route kot, submissions - if we had a site available where we could check them out and vote on them ourselves - it could work. |
| 00:21.20 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: cos X-Fade is now doing work, paid for by Nokia, on these problems. But we only find out about it when it's unveiled as a (very welcome) beta. |
| 00:21.25 | Jaffa | i.e. what GeneralAntilles just said |
| 00:21.31 | lcuk | a private members only beta repo and a public happy one |
| 00:22.00 | KotCzarny | jaffa: then this whole talk is not needed |
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| 00:22.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's not that the maemo guys are quiet (Quim is incredibly involved in the community all things considered) |
| 00:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | We just don't get communication on a lot of important issues. |
| 00:22.27 | KotCzarny | about nokia not doing anything |
| 00:22.34 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: assuming a) it's finished, b) it's right, c) it's done on time. |
| 00:22.37 | KotCzarny | just not posting updates |
| 00:22.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:23.07 | milhouse | Is Quim still active? His blog postings have almost ground to a halt |
| 00:23.15 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: It's indicative of a lack of involvement necessary to create the community. There've been hints of moaning that Nokia has to do too much; but then they do things in a way which doesn't encourage participation. |
| 00:23.16 | milhouse | And his postings in the mailing list are pretty rare |
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| 00:23.28 | milhouse | Amd hasn't his role changed somehow? |
| 00:23.40 | milhouse | s/role/role within Nokia and Maemo/ |
| 00:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | He popped in for a bit this week to add some sanity to the thread on the guys leaving maemo. |
| 00:24.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't heard much else in the last few weeks, though. |
| 00:24.57 | GeneralAntilles | Last BIG thing was the interview with thoughtfix. |
| 00:25.11 | KotCzarny | this or other way, having community controlled repo can be a nice temporary fix |
| 00:25.16 | milhouse | Yeah which said... not much |
| 00:25.22 | milhouse | :( |
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| 00:25.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:25.29 | KotCzarny | all the work needed later will be simply copying packages |
| 00:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said before, I like how he ignored the PowerVR question. |
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| 00:25.52 | milhouse | The one question I wanted him to answer he dodged (guess which one, mentioned already above) |
| 00:26.08 | milhouse | (mentioned above twice now) :) |
| 00:26.28 | milhouse | I wonder if Intel MIDs will have a PIM... :) |
| 00:26.35 | KotCzarny | writes cmdline app to deiconify windows |
| 00:26.44 | KotCzarny | or anyone knows about one? |
| 00:26.47 | milhouse | That's such a thorny issue for Nokia |
| 00:27.19 | Jaffa | milhouse: they do, IIRC. |
| 00:27.41 | milhouse | IMHO, I think the NITs don't have any real PIM support out of the box because of the E90 |
| 00:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't it be fairly straightforward to port a MID application to ITOS? |
| 00:28.25 | Navi | If it's a hildonized Ubuntu Mobile app |
| 00:28.40 | Navi | there isn't much needed to do than to cross compile in most cases |
| 00:29.00 | Navi | s/isn't much needed/shouldn't be much more/ |
| 00:29.24 | lcuk | so many programs work with mouse it doesnt end up looking right |
| 00:29.52 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I think they're relying on a bigger screen size (albeit same res) so it might not work too well |
| 00:30.04 | milhouse | Aren't Intel MIDs 800x480? |
| 00:30.14 | milhouse | ah sorry - mis-read |
| 00:30.17 | Jaffa | milhouse: yes, but physcially larger (to date) |
| 00:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | Lower dpi |
| 00:30.27 | milhouse | so different dpi - could make a difference i suppose |
| 00:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | They're not much larger, though. |
| 00:30.41 | milhouse | things could be too small on nokia screens |
| 00:30.52 | GeneralAntilles | ~5" versus 4.1" |
| 00:31.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Main one so far is the Samsung Q1 Ultra which is a full blown UMPC. That got a 5" screen? |
| 00:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | That's not a MID. :P |
| 00:31.25 | Jaffa | All the s/w's very flaky at the moment. I tried it on my Eee. |
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| 00:31.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed, but I didn't think there was actually any MID h/w yet? |
| 00:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | The Intel reference designs are in the 5-7" range. |
| 00:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, true enough. |
| 00:31.49 | milhouse | jaffa: when they due? in the summer? |
| 00:31.56 | Jaffa | Coo, 110 downloads of tablet-encode 2.18 already :-D |
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| 00:32.01 | Navi | Jaffa, woo |
| 00:32.03 | Jaffa | milhouse: dunno |
| 00:32.22 | lcuk | jaffa, is that in a repo? :P |
| 00:32.23 | milhouse | i thought last year they were targetting summer 2008 (or there abouts)... hopefully they're still on target |
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| 00:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | They're gonna be way out of my price range. |
| 00:33.13 | lcuk | dont bank on it - hardware prices are dropping |
| 00:33.14 | milhouse | more than 99? |
| 00:33.30 | milhouse | i bet they don't have a developers program |
| 00:33.34 | milhouse | :) |
| 00:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | For the MIDs or N900? |
| 00:33.50 | milhouse | MIDs :) |
| 00:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, hehe. |
| 00:34.04 | Navi | Personally, I don't think the Intel MIDs are going to be out this summer. |
| 00:34.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully they'll still do the discount program for the N900. |
| 00:34.20 | lcuk | i foresee eee touch before then for peanuts |
| 00:34.35 | Navi | s/peanuts/500USD/ |
| 00:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | Eee form factor appeals to me this much: 0 :P |
| 00:34.38 | lcuk | 9 inches of goodness |
| 00:34.42 | milhouse | with eee pc's selling for ~£200 I can't see MIDs being super expensive |
| 00:34.53 | lcuk | i agree on FF unless they can fold back the keyboard totally |
| 00:35.02 | milhouse | in fact the eee PC tends to make nokia tablets look expensive |
| 00:35.09 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I just hope the s/w lives up to the hoped-for N900 hardware (and a discount programme ;-) |
| 00:35.13 | Jaffa | milhouse: indeed |
| 00:35.19 | lcuk | milhouse, there is the elonexone for £99 as well |
| 00:35.40 | milhouse | lcuk: yeah. i mean, at that price it's worth a punt just for a laugh |
| 00:35.40 | Navi | The N800's half the price of the only Eee worth buying |
| 00:36.04 | milhouse | navi: now it is, not when it came out |
| 00:36.14 | milhouse | compare the eee pc with the n810 |
| 00:36.14 | lcuk | exactly - and since i should be able to use code on anything once its wrote its a winner :) |
| 00:36.23 | lcuk | like i said, im thinking longterm when i code today |
| 00:36.54 | lcuk | (ermmm apart from wehen i optimise for the specific device ...lol |
| 00:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | I was gonna say. :P |
| 00:37.35 | Navi | milhouse, I could care less for the N810, WiMax tablet, or the next N800 spinoff |
| 00:37.44 | lcuk | i have no problem with writing a core set of functions to interface with the metal - its abstracted and can be duplicated/adjusted/used on different devices without effecting the programs |
| 00:38.15 | milhouse | Navi: fair enough, but others might wonder why the N810 costs as much as a full PC laptop :) |
| 00:38.53 | milhouse | Navi: And when you see the prices the N800, and the 770 before it, sell for (and still make a profit) you have to wonder how much margin there is in the Nokia Internet Tablets |
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| 00:39.34 | milhouse | Not that I'm criticising Nokia pricing policy per se, but it's coming under pressure from all areas |
| 00:39.37 | lcuk | they are a high volume, high spec company who source mini hardware like candy |
| 00:40.19 | milhouse | Yep, the NITs are just mobile phones with the phone |
| 00:40.24 | milhouse | s/with/without/ |
| 00:40.25 | lcuk | out |
| 00:40.36 | milhouse | and a bigger display |
| 00:40.47 | Jaffa | And fewer regulatory hoops |
| 00:40.51 | milhouse | and running Linux not Symbian |
| 00:40.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:41.00 | Navi | milhouse, that's why you don't buy an N810. |
| 00:41.05 | milhouse | Jaffa: Yes, which people still don't get |
| 00:41.30 | milhouse | Jaffa: and complain about the lack of a phone - leaving it out was a master stroke! |
| 00:41.42 | milhouse | Navi: I have one |
| 00:41.44 | Jaffa | Agreed 100% |
| 00:42.05 | lcuk | wimax version will appeal to some people |
| 00:42.12 | KotCzarny | that's because on nokia's site it's in 'phones' category |
| 00:42.18 | milhouse | Navi: I have all three, though I'm not sure I'll ever buy a fourth |
| 00:42.20 | lcuk | though for me, its a house computer - wifi is perfect |
| 00:42.28 | KotCzarny | they should sell it as pda |
| 00:42.34 | lcuk | (10ma wifi at that, i dont like the shout :) |
| 00:42.43 | lcuk | they cant, it doesnt have the PIM |
| 00:42.48 | lcuk | sees a cycle forming |
| 00:42.50 | KotCzarny | oh. |
| 00:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | I hate it when people bitch about it not having a cellular modem. |
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| 00:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me want to tear my eyes out. <_< |
| 00:43.35 | milhouse | I could see internet tablets (Nokia or Intel) becoming all the computing power most people need... have a dock at home, use it with a big screen/keyboard/mouse/loudspeakers... undock it and slip it into your pocket. this is the future i see, not sure Nokia will really be a part of it though |
| 00:43.40 | lcuk | so, it lives as a nice toy for now. im happy because i will code for it until it dies then i will get something else shiney |
| 00:43.43 | KotCzarny | then it looks like IT was a great idea but not fitting company profile |
| 00:43.49 | KotCzarny | and existing channels |
| 00:44.03 | lcuk | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ |
| 00:44.14 | KotCzarny | seen already |
| 00:44.16 | KotCzarny | twice |
| 00:44.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:44.18 | lcuk | but dont take it at face value: its a windows xp program running the decoding and syncing |
| 00:44.29 | KotCzarny | and discussed too |
| 00:44.53 | lcuk | only posted because it was what milhouse said |
| 00:45.08 | KotCzarny | ok :) |
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| 00:47.18 | milhouse | lcuk: not sure that's really what i'm saying... an awful lot of people just want a computer for email, web and office apps - a 3GHz 2GB RAM 500Watt computer is overkill when it can all be done with something running an OMAP processor! :) |
| 00:47.36 | milhouse | it just needs the appropriate connections and software to make it happen |
| 00:47.45 | milhouse | And I think Intel know this already |
| 00:48.48 | lcuk | i had this discussion a number of times with a colleague and i agree with you - the eee pc and the elonexone are examples of such a thing. however he has given a single motivational argument against: with a big fast pc you CAN run any game you want. with a restricted one you are ermmm restricted. as long as you know that fact from the start it will be ok |
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| 00:49.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:49.22 | KotCzarny | actually |
| 00:49.22 | lcuk | people think they can use any computer to run anything |
| 00:49.24 | milhouse | lcuk: *LOTS* more people don't want games |
| 00:49.34 | KotCzarny | 2ghz, 2gb ram laptop is ~15W |
| 00:49.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of people are happy with Battlegweled and Solitaire, too. |
| 00:49.47 | lcuk | feels like hes playing devils advocate - i agree guys |
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| 00:50.32 | AStorm | hello |
| 00:50.47 | AStorm | I've found why there are spurious clicks |
| 00:50.48 | milhouse | true, which can run on low spec hardware :) but ordinary people just want the basics... my folks for example, or my older brothers and their families. i'd say people wanting a pc for 3d games etc. are the minority |
| 00:50.52 | lcuk | my very wise manager says that our software can do what it does for about 90% of the things people need it for. to make the other 10% happy would take an enormous amount of resources |
| 00:50.58 | AStorm | and other weird behaviour |
| 00:51.17 | AStorm | stupids fromNokia reniced X to -1 |
| 00:51.19 | milhouse | lcuk: it's usually quoted as the 80/20 rule |
| 00:51.42 | milhouse | lcuk: but 90 is better than 80, so you're doing well :) |
| 00:51.46 | lcuk | milhouse, my mom was the same, she had trundled along quite nicely with her win2000 slow box for years - she got interested in gaming very rescently |
| 00:51.51 | AStorm | which causes rampant priority inversions with 2.6.21 scheduler |
| 00:51.58 | lcuk | milhouse :) |
| 00:52.02 | milhouse | lcuk: god forbid if mine ever does!!!! |
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| 00:52.11 | KotCzarny | milfhouse, lol |
| 00:52.16 | lcuk | :D |
| 00:52.23 | lcuk | lmao |
| 00:52.24 | AStorm | renicing X to 0 fixed the problems and improved interactivity |
| 00:52.25 | milhouse | milf??? :) |
| 00:52.31 | KotCzarny | just kidding :) |
| 00:52.37 | AStorm | :P |
| 00:52.39 | lcuk | PMSL - get her in irc |
| 00:52.43 | KotCzarny | only one letter away makes such a difference :) |
| 00:52.44 | AStorm | ya people :P |
| 00:52.51 | milhouse | hey steady on! she's 70!!! |
| 00:52.59 | lcuk | AStorm, sorry, we just floated offtopic for a while |
| 00:53.02 | milhouse | can hardly work the video recorder... in fact, i know she can't |
| 00:53.02 | KotCzarny | astorm: nice, but i bet there was an idea about renicing x |
| 00:53.09 | KotCzarny | nice to test though |
| 00:53.13 | lcuk | gilfhouse :D |
| 00:53.23 | AStorm | so, just remove nice in that init script |
| 00:53.29 | lcuk | omg i best stop snorting, im very sorry milhouse |
| 00:53.33 | KotCzarny | or renice it later |
| 00:53.36 | milhouse | np :) |
| 00:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 00:53.59 | AStorm | heh, fun part is now that sound doen't stutter, ever |
| 00:54.05 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 00:54.06 | milhouse | i bought her a tivo though - she loves it... |
| 00:54.10 | AStorm | I'll check video performance too |
| 00:54.12 | KotCzarny | tests it |
| 00:54.24 | AStorm | guess old scheduler had really broken nice |
| 00:54.30 | AStorm | :P |
| 00:54.35 | lcuk | i have noticed something re remote controls - i made one in python right at the start to replace my existing hardware remote which was broke - its not as good - i have to look at the device to see where the buttons are |
| 00:54.53 | lcuk | i would hate a full no hardware press controller (like iphone) |
| 00:55.13 | milhouse | lcuk: i have a touchscreen phone - sony ericsson w950i... and i hate it |
| 00:55.46 | milhouse | phone rings... try to answer it pressing a soft button... no response, software busy... miss the call. pos. |
| 00:56.02 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:56.03 | KotCzarny | true |
| 00:56.06 | KotCzarny | no clicks |
| 00:56.12 | lcuk | astorm - before you mess around with nice - just as a test, try adjusting the cpu up_threshhold |
| 00:56.16 | KotCzarny | never thought it's so easy |
| 00:56.30 | AStorm | lcuk, well, tried it first |
| 00:56.34 | milhouse | lcuk: Harmony One is a good compromise - I have one, very good. |
| 00:56.35 | AStorm | didn't help |
| 00:56.55 | lcuk | it starts at 80% and its helped push my program up where it needs - i dropped it to 40% and it works perfectly. damn |
| 00:56.58 | KotCzarny | the simplest test is to open vol/bri status bar window while playing |
| 00:57.15 | AStorm | the problem was softirqs getting preempted by xomap |
| 00:57.24 | AStorm | checked with top |
| 00:57.36 | lcuk | boo |
| 00:57.42 | lcuk | but sorted now |
| 00:57.59 | AStorm | still wants a CFS-patched 2.6.21ü-omap |
| 00:58.09 | AStorm | :) |
| 00:58.23 | milhouse | lcuk: this IBM research project is where I see tablets going in future: http://www.research.ibm.com/WearableComputing/MetaPad/metapad.html |
| 00:58.44 | AStorm | there were backports... and Ingo Molnar would probably refresh one if asked nicely |
| 00:58.56 | KotCzarny | milhouse: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4124 |
| 00:59.20 | milhouse | yeah right... not in my lifetime |
| 00:59.22 | milhouse | :) |
| 00:59.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:59.34 | lcuk | milhouse, ive seen that before and i think the right direction |
| 00:59.39 | KotCzarny | have you ever though about 400mhz in your hand? |
| 00:59.43 | KotCzarny | in '80 ? |
| 01:00.03 | doc|home | KotCzarny: I was still a twinkle in my father's eye then |
| 01:00.05 | AStorm | hehe, I had 4 MHz in my hand |
| 01:00.13 | AStorm | a TI calculator |
| 01:00.15 | AStorm | :P |
| 01:00.34 | milhouse | 20 years ago weren't they saying we'd have hover cars by now? |
| 01:00.36 | KotCzarny | doc: but still, it's progressing quite fast |
| 01:00.43 | milhouse | some "future ideas" just don't work out... |
| 01:01.06 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 01:01.11 | AStorm | blah, there is a prototype "hovercar" |
| 01:01.14 | milhouse | the ibm concept is entirely realistic, today |
| 01:01.19 | KotCzarny | civilization ends in 2012 anyway |
| 01:01.23 | KotCzarny | so take your time |
| 01:01.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:01.27 | AStorm | lol |
| 01:01.42 | AStorm | 2012 due to oil shortage, naaaah |
| 01:01.45 | KotCzarny | nope |
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| 01:01.48 | KotCzarny | due solar activity |
| 01:01.48 | AStorm | too banal |
| 01:01.52 | milhouse | i often wonder why they have got hildon running at higher resolutions... i hold out the feint hope it's for precisely this kind of concept |
| 01:01.57 | AStorm | huh? |
| 01:02.09 | KotCzarny | astorm: this solar cycle is predicted to be a badass |
| 01:02.13 | Jaffa | Doh, clocks have just gone forward |
| 01:02.13 | lcuk | whats the front end of the eee? |
| 01:02.19 | milhouse | when does the unix/c clock run out? :) |
| 01:02.23 | KotCzarny | something we never saw before |
| 01:02.27 | AStorm | so? it'll knock out some satellites? |
| 01:02.27 | KotCzarny | 2039 |
| 01:02.32 | KotCzarny | astorm: more |
| 01:02.43 | Jaffa | lcuk: Basically IceWM with a customised full-screen launcher in the root window. Full KDE also available |
| 01:02.53 | AStorm | mess with earth's magnetic field? |
| 01:02.58 | KotCzarny | electricity grids are already in danger during more intense magnetic storms |
| 01:02.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:03.01 | AStorm | pole reversal? |
| 01:03.10 | lcuk | yes i know - and the olpc has sugar and we have maemo - its all a nice way to start the day off |
| 01:03.10 | AStorm | blah grids |
| 01:03.12 | KotCzarny | that too, but later |
| 01:03.22 | lcuk | thx jaffa for specifics |
| 01:03.25 | AStorm | who needs a grid when we can have local lants? |
| 01:03.32 | AStorm | *plants |
| 01:03.38 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 01:03.42 | KotCzarny | you're interconnected |
| 01:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | maemo is a development environment, not a UI. :P |
| 01:03.53 | KotCzarny | once part of the network goes down |
| 01:04.00 | KotCzarny | the rest follows because of the overload |
| 01:04.06 | AStorm | everything else stays up |
| 01:04.13 | milhouse | i want my own mini fusion reactor |
| 01:04.17 | AStorm | we know balancing |
| 01:04.37 | AStorm | the proble is if you rely on a small number of sources |
| 01:04.43 | AStorm | like atomic power |
| 01:04.54 | KotCzarny | brb |
| 01:05.15 | AStorm | here in PL, there are many small coal power plants, so mostly no problem |
| 01:05.20 | lcuk | direct radiation->electric conversion will be good. we can finally get away from waste product being a problem |
| 01:05.31 | AStorm | a bit of smart power routing and that's all |
| 01:05.52 | lcuk | if all that ends, we can just breed hamsters |
| 01:05.54 | AStorm | lcuk: isn't that called photovoltaics? |
| 01:06.23 | AStorm | already there, not terribly efficient or cheap |
| 01:06.43 | KotCzarny | astorm: you're thinking locally |
| 01:06.45 | lcuk | yes, but directly from the radiation source instead of just heating water and using turbines |
| 01:06.54 | KotCzarny | right now you're part of the world |
| 01:07.00 | AStorm | blah, blah |
| 01:07.06 | lcuk | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/28/1529235&from=rss |
| 01:07.10 | KotCzarny | what will you do when routers go down? |
| 01:07.21 | AStorm | set up MANs, finally |
| 01:07.23 | KotCzarny | no electronic transactions |
| 01:07.25 | KotCzarny | for example |
| 01:07.27 | lcuk | reroute around - a mesh net will be better anyway |
| 01:07.31 | AStorm | ya |
| 01:07.34 | KotCzarny | no mesh |
| 01:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | Old people! |
| 01:07.39 | KotCzarny | because of magnetic storm |
| 01:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | (plus a form of fusion) |
| 01:07.51 | lcuk | work locally - local commerce again,. local banks etc - but for long distance an internet will exist |
| 01:07.51 | AStorm | KotCzarny: use fibre? |
| 01:07.55 | KotCzarny | i'm talking about disabled electronics |
| 01:08.03 | AStorm | it's used today anyway |
| 01:08.09 | KotCzarny | fibre, ok |
| 01:08.15 | KotCzarny | but it still runs on electricitry |
| 01:08.19 | KotCzarny | electricity |
| 01:08.20 | AStorm | yup |
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| 01:08.25 | milhouse | lcuk: Maybe the Amish were on to something... |
| 01:08.30 | KotCzarny | and there are routers on the way |
| 01:08.31 | AStorm | generate that locally |
| 01:08.37 | KotCzarny | no generation |
| 01:08.43 | AStorm | buy your solar pane today :P |
| 01:08.46 | KotCzarny | no power because electronics is disabled |
| 01:08.59 | lcuk | the amish are are protection against the worst that can come. like ham radio people. we need some folks who know how to live without tech |
| 01:09.02 | AStorm | nah, ahield it and it will be fine |
| 01:09.11 | AStorm | *shield |
| 01:09.11 | KotCzarny | astorm: you can shield, ok |
| 01:09.14 | KotCzarny | but who will pay? |
| 01:09.21 | KotCzarny | you have to shield everything |
| 01:09.24 | AStorm | who needs it to work |
| 01:09.28 | KotCzarny | and there must be an incentive |
| 01:09.29 | KotCzarny | to do it |
| 01:09.30 | lcuk | there are jungle dwellers, there are tribes everywhere if you look hard enough |
| 01:09.32 | AStorm | nah.,not everything |
| 01:09.39 | Tama^2 | did I join #scifi by mistake? :P |
| 01:09.43 | KotCzarny | astorm: you think local, switch to global :) |
| 01:09.48 | milhouse | The Russians had it right - build their fighter jets with themionic valves, not transistors. The Americans laughed at the Russians antiquated tech, until they realised the Russian jets would still be flying after a nuclear blast had knocked out the American jets due to the EMP pulse... |
| 01:09.48 | AStorm | only control electronics |
| 01:09.57 | lcuk | no tama, we moved from nokia problems to the end of the world - its not a large jump |
| 01:10.06 | AStorm | plain power lines will be ok, if noisy |
| 01:10.11 | jaska | rubber boots |
| 01:10.17 | KotCzarny | astorm: not true |
| 01:10.22 | AStorm | will need expensive filters |
| 01:10.25 | KotCzarny | there were blackouts already |
| 01:10.32 | AStorm | because there will be spikes |
| 01:10.38 | KotCzarny | and it's not related to the upcoming solar cycle |
| 01:10.43 | KotCzarny | just regular sun activity |
| 01:11.04 | AStorm | it means someone has failed at the plant :P |
| 01:11.09 | lcuk | KotCzarny, do you walk around the streets with a board on your back when your not in here? :P |
| 01:11.13 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 01:11.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:11.14 | AStorm | I blame cost cutting |
| 01:11.20 | KotCzarny | you may blame |
| 01:11.21 | lcuk | realist :) |
| 01:11.28 | KotCzarny | but you will be without your toys |
| 01:11.33 | KotCzarny | as the rest of the people |
| 01:11.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:11.38 | AStorm | yeah, they stripped transformers of proper filtering |
| 01:11.46 | milhouse | So these nuclear batteries that aren't user replaceable - they sound like the perfect power source for Apple products. |
| 01:11.48 | AStorm | and spikes blasted lines |
| 01:11.58 | KotCzarny | even water pumps run on electricity |
| 01:12.03 | KotCzarny | no power -- no water |
| 01:12.11 | lcuk | milhouse, if you consider a 20 or 30 year lifespan, its not a bad idea for anything |
| 01:12.12 | AStorm | or mechanical power |
| 01:12.15 | KotCzarny | let this outage last more than week |
| 01:12.22 | KotCzarny | now, this would be fun |
| 01:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, can you imagine the Apple Zealot terrorists? |
| 01:12.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:12.26 | AStorm | blah blah |
| 01:12.40 | milhouse | GA: They're already here aren't they? |
| 01:12.42 | KotCzarny | astorm: we will see |
| 01:12.45 | AStorm | we have backup pressure systems |
| 01:12.49 | KotCzarny | this talk doesn't matter |
| 01:12.58 | Tama^2 | do they use apple IR remotes to detonate themselves? |
| 01:12.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:13.02 | GeneralAntilles | But they're not armed with nuclear material. :P |
| 01:13.02 | AStorm | what is it called... capillary? |
| 01:13.09 | milhouse | Clockwork power is the future... |
| 01:13.11 | AStorm | I guess it is |
| 01:13.11 | KotCzarny | astorm: think global |
| 01:13.19 | AStorm | low pressure water |
| 01:13.27 | KotCzarny | i'm not saying WHOLE world will go down at once |
| 01:13.32 | AStorm | but still enough to feed whole city |
| 01:13.35 | KotCzarny | just start some riots there and there |
| 01:13.37 | AStorm | heh, yup |
| 01:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | We need to harvest energy from farts. |
| 01:13.46 | milhouse | GA: they bore me to death anyway, the nuclear material may just speed up the process - bring it on! |
| 01:13.49 | KotCzarny | and you will see some real fun |
| 01:13.49 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | is tired of the new non-computer-focused Apple. |
| 01:14.11 | KotCzarny | and guess what, security systems are down too |
| 01:14.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:14.14 | AStorm | not in this country in any forseeable future, unfortunately |
| 01:14.17 | milhouse | So will my power shower still be working in the future? |
| 01:14.27 | AStorm | milhouse: no |
| 01:14.29 | milhouse | Or will I be doubly screwed? |
| 01:14.31 | milhouse | damn |
| 01:14.50 | KotCzarny | power shaver |
| 01:14.56 | AStorm | unless you add your own water pump |
| 01:15.07 | KotCzarny | unless you live close to river |
| 01:15.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:15.18 | AStorm | nah, that's not enough |
| 01:15.28 | KotCzarny | but helps a little |
| 01:15.51 | milhouse | GA: I admire Apple for how they have reinvented themselves... |
| 01:15.58 | KotCzarny | pity nokia doesn't have a crank :) |
| 01:16.11 | milhouse | GA: Fingers in pretty much every pie... both Nokia and Microsoft are scrambling to catch up |
| 01:16.24 | AStorm | to have current water pressure hold using capillary systems would need some 1000m high water tower |
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| 01:16.41 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nothing stops you fom adding one |
| 01:16.54 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 01:17.01 | KotCzarny | now add some serious weather |
| 01:17.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:17.19 | AStorm | except replacing charger electronic |
| 01:17.26 | AStorm | :P |
| 01:17.30 | KotCzarny | unwashed people -> sick people |
| 01:17.32 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 01:17.49 | AStorm | this 5V charger is junk |
| 01:18.01 | AStorm | that's why battery charges so slowly |
| 01:18.16 | AStorm | too low current |
| 01:19.27 | KotCzarny | astorm: thanks for the renice info anyway |
| 01:19.36 | KotCzarny | i have seen it in the scripts |
| 01:19.44 | KotCzarny | but forgot about it |
| 01:19.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:19.56 | AStorm | :) |
| 01:20.35 | KotCzarny | btw. have you seen my xmms ? |
| 01:20.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:20.46 | KotCzarny | fixed dialog windows |
| 01:21.25 | AStorm | nah, no need for clutter on my N810 yet |
| 01:21.38 | KotCzarny | clutter? |
| 01:21.46 | KotCzarny | it's the best player you can get ;) |
| 01:21.49 | AStorm | next point is creating PL-programmer keyboard layout |
| 01:21.57 | AStorm | except canola |
| 01:21.59 | AStorm | :P |
| 01:22.18 | KotCzarny | canola sucks too because of media library |
| 01:22.40 | AStorm | nah, no problem with it |
| 01:22.53 | KotCzarny | i hate media libraries |
| 01:22.57 | AStorm | I keep everything in one Music folder anyway |
| 01:23.03 | KotCzarny | at least current implementation |
| 01:23.10 | AStorm | and it has tag collusion utility |
| 01:23.19 | milhouse | does canola work with tversity any more? |
| 01:23.28 | AStorm | with what? |
| 01:23.36 | GeneralAntilles | No UPnP for the time being |
| 01:23.38 | milhouse | installed the latest canola but can't see my network media anymore |
| 01:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | The plugin is still being worked on. |
| 01:23.46 | milhouse | GA: Ah thanks... wondered what was going on |
| 01:23.47 | AStorm | ah, nope |
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| 01:23.56 | AStorm | don't need that |
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| 01:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, mediautils.garage.maemo.org :P |
| 01:24.58 | milhouse | interesting :) |
| 01:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | Pure win. |
| 01:25.10 | KotCzarny | astorm: does canola have effects plugins? |
| 01:25.26 | AStorm | not yet? |
| 01:25.32 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 01:25.34 | AStorm | who needs tghat anyway |
| 01:25.39 | KotCzarny | <-- |
| 01:25.42 | AStorm | eq is for bad music |
| 01:25.48 | KotCzarny | not equ |
| 01:25.48 | AStorm | :P |
| 01:25.53 | KotCzarny | flanger, reverb |
| 01:25.58 | KotCzarny | for example |
| 01:26.00 | AStorm | yuck |
| 01:26.02 | KotCzarny | or voice removal :) |
| 01:26.12 | AStorm | double yuck |
| 01:26.26 | KotCzarny | important for .mods |
| 01:26.26 | AStorm | simple algorithms suck toom badly |
| 01:26.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:26.33 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 01:26.36 | KotCzarny | it's based on sox |
| 01:26.38 | AStorm | complex are too cpu intensive for N |
| 01:26.47 | KotCzarny | nope, works allright |
| 01:26.47 | AStorm | sox one is simple |
| 01:26.55 | KotCzarny | i disagree |
| 01:26.58 | AStorm | sometimes, maybe |
| 01:27.02 | AStorm | idk |
| 01:27.07 | AStorm | and idc |
| 01:28.18 | KotCzarny | on another news xcompmgr works out of the box |
| 01:28.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:28.25 | KotCzarny | shadows are nice |
| 01:28.28 | milhouse | Looks like the Nokia purchase of Navteq could hit the buffers due to EU regulators |
| 01:28.39 | WormFood | AStorm, which do you think is worse, ignorance or apathy? (I expect "idk and idc" as an answer) |
| 01:28.40 | KotCzarny | but software rendering is not enough |
| 01:28.45 | milhouse | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/29/nokia-hits-eu-barrier-navteq |
| 01:29.00 | AStorm | WormFood: neither |
| 01:29.10 | milhouse | No idea what this could mean for internet tablets... not much probably? |
| 01:29.15 | AStorm | both are actually quite good |
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| 01:31.04 | KotCzarny | as long you're with nokia, hehe |
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| 02:02.48 | arachnist | hi |
| 02:02.56 | arachnist | how to enable redpill mode on chinook? |
| 02:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | New repository entry |
| 02:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | type "matrix" into the URL field |
| 02:03.55 | arachnist | i can't find the app catalogue |
| 02:03.55 | GeneralAntilles | hit cancel |
| 02:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | hit red |
| 02:04.13 | GeneralAntilles | Application manager: Menu -> Tools |
| 02:04.26 | arachnist | lol |
| 02:04.29 | arachnist | 's blind |
| 02:04.39 | arachnist | couldn't find it earlier |
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| 02:22.52 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_write_new_application_in_maemo_4-0.html |
| 02:22.57 | KotCzarny | this should go on the topic |
| 02:22.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:51.31 | Brains | Hmm... No luck with tablet-encode... |
| 02:52.15 | arachnist | btw, is it just me, or is canola much more usable with fingers than with stylus? :> |
| 02:52.26 | Brains | Heh, yeah, does seem that way. |
| 02:53.53 | fysa | oo wow. |
| 02:54.00 | fysa | iPhone bootloader cracked, custom firmware loading |
| 02:54.06 | Navi | Woo |
| 02:54.12 | KotCzarny | whoo |
| 02:54.17 | fysa | maybe we will see maemo on iphone |
| 02:54.18 | fysa | ;) |
| 02:54.24 | fysa | (620mhz arm) |
| 02:54.31 | KotCzarny | drivers available? |
| 02:54.36 | fysa | *shrug* |
| 02:54.45 | arachnist | fysa: and 320x480 screen |
| 02:54.56 | Navi | arachnist, it's designed for finger use |
| 02:54.59 | arachnist | my damn se k800 has 320x240 |
| 02:55.04 | Navi | so stylus isn't that great |
| 02:55.41 | Brains | never thought about it much but would have assumed that being easy for fingers would mean easy for stylus too.... |
| 02:56.05 | fysa | eh |
| 02:56.44 | arachnist | btw, it's kinda sad that i've used my se k800 for web for half a year now, and now it's just a bluetooth 3g modem |
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| 02:57.14 | Fenix-Dark | hey |
| 02:57.21 | Navi | heh |
| 02:57.34 | Fenix-Dark | whats the best/simplest way to convert videos for my n800 with linux or os x |
| 02:58.00 | Navi | I use ffmpeg |
| 02:58.17 | Brains | is trying out the new tablet-encode. |
| 02:58.32 | Brains | Turns out it was the GUI that was hindering me, CLI is working fine so far. |
| 02:58.47 | Navi | ffmpeg -i <file> -vo mpeg4 -s 400x240 -b 1500k -ao lame <outputfile> |
| 02:58.57 | Navi | I'm probably missing a thing or two |
| 02:59.17 | Navi | oh right, libmp3lame |
| 02:59.33 | Fenix-Dark | Navi, so whats the full line? |
| 02:59.40 | Navi | What's the full line of what? |
| 02:59.47 | Fenix-Dark | to convert it |
| 02:59.50 | Fenix-Dark | you said you were missing something |
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| 03:00.07 | Navi | _probably_ missing, as in I probably left something out that I don't remember |
| 03:00.18 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
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| 03:03.20 | Fenix-Dark | Navi, says unrecognized option '-vo' |
| 03:03.33 | Brains | Probably should have been -vc and -ac. |
| 03:03.37 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
| 03:03.40 | Brains | doesn't use it though. |
| 03:03.47 | Brains | (mencoder uses ac and vc.) |
| 03:03.53 | Navi | sorry, -vcodec |
| 03:04.16 | Navi | -vcodec and -acodec |
| 03:04.32 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
| 03:04.44 | Navi | I don't like mencoder's documentation very much |
| 03:04.48 | Navi | only reason I don't use it |
| 03:04.49 | Fenix-Dark | now, Unknown encoder 'lame' |
| 03:04.57 | Navi | [21:56:32] <Navi> oh right, libmp3lame |
| 03:05.11 | Fenix-Dark | same deal |
| 03:05.18 | Navi | have lame installed? |
| 03:05.26 | Navi | your ffmpeg built with lame enabled? |
| 03:05.33 | Fenix-Dark | Navi, not sure |
| 03:06.51 | Navi | ffmpeg -formats |
| 03:07.06 | Brains | This first try at a tablet-encode run (--770, default everything else) isn't too bad at all... |
| 03:08.00 | Navi | tablet-encode just uses mencoder, doesn't it? |
| 03:09.02 | Brains | I believe so, yeah. I'm mostly using it for the existing presets/options... Like --770. |
| 03:09.39 | Navi | I have aliases |
| 03:09.39 | Navi | :D |
| 03:11.04 | Brains | Which only works if you know what the desired settings are... |
| 03:11.36 | Navi | well, I do >_> |
| 03:12.10 | Navi | Last I read, tablet-encode's profile settings are designed for media player (not to confuse with mplayer) |
| 03:12.14 | lcuk | navi, why do i get the feeling you are goin "nerrr enrrrrr" at your screen right now? |
| 03:12.20 | Brains | lol |
| 03:12.27 | Navi | lcuk, hehe |
| 03:12.39 | Navi | If anything, I'd be going "Hey! Listen!" |
| 03:13.11 | Brains | After that first test run (gee, it worked that time), I am running it again with the mplayer preset. If I like the output, I'll snag the options from the code. |
| 03:13.31 | Navi | It has an mplayer preset now? Woo |
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| 03:14.03 | arachnist | btw, is there a way to make the normal media player play .flac, or will i have to use mplayer for that? |
| 03:14.06 | lcuk | brains, thats basically it - different people have different favorites. some people put up with glitches in a low bitrate encode, others make different compromises, just pick something which works and adjust it till you are happy |
| 03:14.06 | Brains | "They're certainly pushed as high as they can be. v2.18 re-introduces the "mplayer" preset which really pushes the envelope (and has a higher bitrate than most TV episodes you can find on the *cough* Internet)." |
| 03:14.29 | Brains | lcuk: Yep, already in progress. |
| 03:15.00 | KotCzarny | yeah, mplayer, good stuff |
| 03:15.49 | Brains | hasn't moved to tackle FLAC yet... But that is what his music is ripped as. (N810 NFS mounting the home server... Gotta love the teeny tablet with a terabyte backing it.) |
| 03:16.09 | Navi | Heh |
| 03:16.20 | Navi | I use mpd to play my flacs |
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| 03:17.25 | Navi | Hey look, someone noticed the entire channel earlier |
| 03:17.40 | Brains | ? |
| 03:17.47 | Fenix-Dark | Brains, is it easy to mount a (or a few) samba shares to the n800? |
| 03:18.16 | Brains | Fenix-Dark: Dunno, haven't looked at samba on the N8x0s... NFS was trivial though... |
| 03:18.40 | Navi | Fenix-Dark, dunno. The N800 detects the windows file shares on my network |
| 03:18.54 | KotCzarny | hmm, unhildonized app area ix 720x430 |
| 03:18.58 | Fenix-Dark | Navi, automatically? |
| 03:19.06 | Navi | I certainly didn't configure it |
| 03:19.11 | Fenix-Dark | cool |
| 03:21.40 | Brains | Anybody happen to know if there are any issues with setting up the SDK under amd64 machines? I seem to recall hearing something about that but I can't find mention of where I heard that in my notes. |
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| 03:25.28 | Fenix-Dark | hrm |
| 03:25.50 | Fenix-Dark | i see my samba shares, but it didnt ask for a username/pass, and it shows the shares as being empty |
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| 03:58.07 | vlad_ | heya, is gcc 4.2 (or something more recent than the 3.4.4 2005 special) available anywhere by chance? |
| 03:58.16 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 03:58.35 | KotCzarny | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm |
| 03:59.18 | vlad_ | mmm, any debs available? |
| 03:59.26 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 03:59.29 | vlad_ | I guess it doesn't much matter, I can just symlink |
| 03:59.31 | vlad_ | asks google |
| 04:00.46 | KotCzarny | http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ |
| 04:00.58 | KotCzarny | here you will probably have them packaged for scratchbox |
| 04:01.26 | vlad_ | oh hey, yeah, just figured out that 'scratchbox-toolchain' is what I was looking for |
| 04:01.29 | vlad_ | awesome, thank you! |
| 04:01.47 | KotCzarny | let me know how it went |
| 04:01.55 | KotCzarny | i'm thinking about gcc 4.x too |
| 04:01.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:04.24 | vlad_ | will do |
| 04:04.54 | vlad_ | we have some code that gcc 3.4.4 utterly fails on, generates multiple labels with the same name in the assembly output with -O2 |
| 04:05.10 | KotCzarny | what about other -O levels? |
| 04:05.14 | vlad_ | works with -Os |
| 04:05.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:05.29 | vlad_ | but looks like my apt repos were all set up, so just installing scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-{arm6,i486} grabs the right things |
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| 04:52.01 | Italodance | hi guys |
| 04:54.54 | curl_e | italodance: Hi. I think everyone is lurking in here. I came to see about audio apps - timidity, hydrogen etc. |
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| 04:56.17 | Fenix-Dark | hi |
| 04:56.40 | Fenix-Dark | i still cant seem to figure out how i'm supposed to enter a user name and password to samba shares on my n800 in os2008, anyone care to enlighten me? |
| 04:59.01 | curl_e | Fenix-Dark: sorry, I can't help. What are you using as the samba client? the file manager? |
| 04:59.27 | Fenix-Dark | curl_e, i'm trying to use the file manager |
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| 04:59.57 | Fenix-Dark | it shows the computer with the samba shares, and it lists all of the samba shares, but it shows them as being empty, which they are not, but it didnt ask for any user name or password |
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| 05:05.42 | vlad_ | argh, I am a scratchbox newb |
| 05:05.52 | vlad_ | is there any way to just swap the compiler for the existing CHINOOK_ARMEL target? |
| 05:06.13 | vlad_ | if I try sb-conf st -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6, sb-conf yells at me that target CHINOOK_ARMEL already exists |
| 05:06.24 | KotCzarny | add new target |
| 05:06.34 | KotCzarny | use sb-menu |
| 05:06.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:06.53 | vlad_ | hmm |
| 05:07.01 | vlad_ | will adding a new target keep the rest of my setup intact? |
| 05:07.11 | KotCzarny | or if you want to switch compiler only you can reconfigure target |
| 05:07.16 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 05:07.26 | KotCzarny | that's the reason behind scratchbox |
| 05:07.35 | KotCzarny | add new target/nothing changes for old |
| 05:07.59 | vlad_ | yeah, but I mean I want to add a new target that uses the same on-disk files as the old, just a different compiler |
| 05:08.24 | KotCzarny | then you will need rootstrap too, probably |
| 05:08.45 | KotCzarny | i think swapping compiler is easier |
| 05:08.47 | KotCzarny | let's see |
| 05:08.52 | KotCzarny | is sb n00b too |
| 05:09.37 | vlad_ | hm, I may have broken things! let's see |
| 05:09.52 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/armel/ |
| 05:09.58 | KotCzarny | rootstraps here |
| 05:10.09 | KotCzarny | and there |
| 05:10.10 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/i386/ |
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| 05:19.21 | vlad_ | hrm |
| 05:19.24 | vlad_ | I think this worked? |
| 05:19.33 | KotCzarny | which one? |
| 05:19.47 | KotCzarny | [sbox-m: ~] > gcc -v |
| 05:19.50 | KotCzarny | gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51) |
| 05:19.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:20.10 | KotCzarny | i'm downloading rootstrap still |
| 05:20.22 | vlad_ | I didn't tell it to install a rootstrap |
| 05:20.27 | vlad_ | or install any files etc. |
| 05:20.35 | vlad_ | since I already had an existing target set up |
| 05:20.51 | KotCzarny | i prefer new target |
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| 05:42.23 | vlad_ | hrm, spoke too soon |
| 05:42.32 | KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 05:42.36 | KotCzarny | this one is helpfull |
| 05:42.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:42.54 | vlad_ | any binary that I build, when I try to run it.. ./foo: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument |
| 05:42.54 | KotCzarny | point 3.2 |
| 05:43.10 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:43.21 | KotCzarny | mismatched libs? |
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| 05:44.07 | vlad_ | oh, I may have had the wrong devkits installed |
| 05:45.27 | vlad_ | yep, all fixed looks like |
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| 05:52.43 | vlad_ | almost all fixed |
| 05:52.48 | vlad_ | this new gcc seems wonky |
| 05:57.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:57.55 | KotCzarny | how have you solved that 'invalid argument' error? |
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| 05:58.18 | vlad_ | I sb-conf in -c -e -F |
| 05:58.22 | vlad_ | (install clibrary, etc, fakeroot) |
| 05:58.29 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:58.39 | vlad_ | but I installed the gcc toolchain from whatever repo I had in here |
| 05:58.54 | vlad_ | I'm grabbing the toolchain deb from the scratchbox.org url you gave me |
| 06:03.03 | vlad_ | hm, yeah, I had the main scratchbox repo, that should be valid |
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| 06:03.24 | vlad_ | but the gcc is showing that it still has a bug that was fixed in gcc 4.1 |
| 06:03.25 | KotCzarny | i have installed gcc from debian.org |
| 06:03.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:03.47 | vlad_ | and it's also showing weirdness, like that it doesn't follow the c++ standard for temporary object destructor order |
| 06:03.52 | vlad_ | which is pretty broken |
| 06:04.14 | RST38h | Gentlemen, does anyone have a maemo sdk installation where they can run stuff on a desktop machine and see messages from hildon-navigator? |
| 06:11.45 | vlad_ | ah! the compiler form the unofficial dir seems to work |
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| 06:13.15 | vlad_ | .. maybe |
| 06:13.16 | vlad_ | sigh |
| 06:13.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 06:19.33 | lasantha_1978 | Dear All, Pls tell me the way of unstalling list fo package in a file using rpm command? Eg I ahev tried rpm -e --nodeps <package_list_file But it is not working. Pls help me |
| 06:19.48 | KotCzarny | rpm? |
| 06:20.33 | KotCzarny | you can try: for each in `cat package_list_file`; do rpm -e --nodeps $each; done |
| 06:21.17 | vlad_ | rpm -e --nodeps `cat package_list_file` should work too |
| 06:21.35 | KotCzarny | i don't know rpm :) |
| 06:25.18 | arachnist | btw, does anyone know some small, x86_64 linux livecd? something like systemrescuecd, but with x86_64 kernel |
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| 06:31.31 | vlad_ | maybe I need to upgrade my entire scratchbox install |
| 06:31.33 | vlad_ | what could go wrong? |
| 06:32.50 | KotCzarny | mismatched libs |
| 06:32.52 | KotCzarny | my guess |
| 06:32.59 | KotCzarny | i can't compile mc |
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| 06:34.09 | KotCzarny | this time because of libglib2 barfing with the same error |
| 06:34.39 | vlad_ | could be, though that doesn't make sense |
| 06:34.45 | vlad_ | the ABI is still the same |
| 06:34.50 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:35.11 | KotCzarny | then why we had this error with libc earlier? |
| 06:35.36 | vlad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.41 | vlad_ | maybe libc wasn't installed at all? |
| 06:35.54 | KotCzarny | gcc wouldn't run then |
| 06:35.59 | vlad_ | true |
| 06:36.24 | vlad_ | I should try going back to the old compiler, see if things still cause problems |
| 06:36.42 | KotCzarny | i have luckily created new target |
| 06:36.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:36.48 | vlad_ | yeah yeah :p |
| 06:38.35 | zuh | vlad_: I think it *should* work if you give sb-conf -c "the finger" (-f) ;) |
| 06:39.36 | KotCzarny | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338 |
| 06:39.38 | KotCzarny | hu |
| 06:39.39 | KotCzarny | m |
| 06:41.28 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:41.36 | KotCzarny | i think i should use qemu-cvs |
| 06:41.43 | KotCzarny | http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-devel/2007-October/000351.html |
| 06:52.16 | Italodance | :D |
| 06:52.31 | Italodance | xmms can play only with x-term? |
| 06:52.47 | KotCzarny | no |
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| 06:54.14 | Italodance | KotCzarny but it hadn't any icon on my menu>? |
| 06:55.10 | Italodance | i installed http://debfarm.free.fr/pool/xmms_1.2.10+20070601-1-maemo.2.n800_armel.deb |
| 06:56.03 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892 |
| 06:57.11 | Italodance | i know but dud u installed? |
| 06:57.21 | Italodance | did u installed it? |
| 06:57.30 | KotCzarny | i compiled my own version |
| 06:57.38 | KotCzarny | and read that thread |
| 06:57.45 | KotCzarny | there are answers to your questions |
| 06:57.52 | Italodance | ok |
| 06:58.22 | Italodance | just what's ur version? |
| 06:59.00 | KotCzarny | 1.2.11 |
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| 07:22.55 | Italodance | ok i called to the official nokia house in iran and told them about my problem they will help me and will say to the Nokia! |
| 07:22.57 | Italodance | :D |
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| 08:01.39 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:02.01 | KotCzarny | i think i have found a way to bring back windows :> |
| 08:02.14 | KotCzarny | those not-hildonized-and-minimized |
| 08:02.16 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 08:41.15 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I see you changed your signature at ITT lol :p :D :) |
| 08:41.39 | Italodance | hello qwerty12 morning :D |
| 08:41.50 | qwerty12 | Hello Italodance :) |
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| 08:50.12 | vlad_ | argh |
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| 09:04.20 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:04.55 | qwerty12 | Morning |
| 09:04.59 | qwerty12 | yawns |
| 09:06.20 | KotCzarny | anyone familiar with pygtk? |
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| 11:08.18 | Italodance | umm n95 has wlan? |
| 11:08.28 | glass | yes |
| 11:08.45 | Italodance | damn it |
| 11:09.04 | glass | whats there to damn |
| 11:09.05 | Italodance | which nokia phones has wireless? |
| 11:09.11 | glass | quite many |
| 11:09.37 | Italodance | i thought only internet tablet for nokia |
| 11:10.19 | glass | Italodance: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/matrix_wlan_1.html |
| 11:10.19 | glass | then you're so out of loop it's not even funny |
| 11:10.24 | Italodance | hehe yes |
| 11:10.25 | Italodance | lol |
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| 11:10.33 | glass | tablet is very different from other nokia products though |
| 11:10.54 | glass | it's not a phone, and the wlan phones run symbian |
| 11:11.13 | Italodance | yes tablet is a pocket laptop |
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| 11:13.37 | Italodance | http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N800 |
| 11:13.38 | Italodance | :D |
| 11:16.35 | Italodance | glass |
| 11:16.46 | Italodance | do u have FBReader? |
| 11:17.00 | glass | on my 770 |
| 11:17.29 | Italodance | can it read pdf files? |
| 11:17.40 | Italodance | well i couldn't read on my n800 !??? |
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| 11:18.18 | glass | dunno |
| 11:18.59 | Italodance | ok |
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| 11:32.10 | MishaS | Italodance, fbreader does not support pdf |
| 11:39.25 | pupnik_ | pdf is dog barf |
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| 11:40.58 | pupnik_ | postscript around 1991 wasn't so bad |
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| 11:41.16 | webustany | hi there |
| 11:41.35 | webustany | has someone here managed to use scratchbox on a x86_64 arch ? |
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| 11:49.15 | keesj | webustany: via vmplayer yes |
| 11:49.23 | keesj | I did not try the other ways |
| 11:49.58 | webustany | keesj: hmmm, thanks for the answer but unfortunately I'm running a very recent kernel, not supported by vmware yet |
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| 12:04.26 | Jaffa | webustany: use the normal instructions but do 'setarch i386 ./installer.sh' at the start. |
| 12:04.31 | Jaffa | It then all works fine. |
| 12:04.49 | webustany | Jaffa: at the start of what ? |
| 12:05.34 | Jaffa | The install process of the Maemo SDK |
| 12:06.19 | webustany | ok, and that will work with a 64 bits kernel |
| 12:06.28 | webustany | Jaffa: thanks for the tip, I'm gonna try that |
| 12:06.42 | Jaffa | See section 2.1 of http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/INSTALL.txt, but instead of doing sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh do sudo setarch i386 ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh |
| 12:06.57 | Jaffa | Works for me with no 32-bit chroot |
| 12:07.24 | webustany | Jaffa: OK, you're using debian or ubuntu I assume |
| 12:09.06 | Jaffa | Ubuntu Feisty |
| 12:10.08 | webustany | Jaffa: I'll need a changeroot anyway since I run fedora, but at least I know what chroot to install |
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| 12:16.26 | Jaffa | Install script's supposed to work on non-Debian-based systems AIUI |
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| 12:25.07 | crashanddie | how I go about installing the maemo hackers repo in scratchbox ? I've added it to the /etc/apt/sources.list, but I don't have gpg installed, so it refuses to access it |
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| 12:54.11 | webustany | crashanddie: isn't there an install file for it ? |
| 12:54.22 | webustany | on http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
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| 13:33.37 | webustany | hmm, maemo-launcher is constantly eating 100% of my cpu, I don't know why |
| 13:34.21 | aquatix | webustany: depends on the program it launched |
| 13:34.36 | aquatix | you can try getting more information by launching the terminal and run `top' |
| 13:35.45 | webustany | aquatix: hmm good guess, actually it's modest eating all my cpu |
| 13:36.59 | webustany | ah ah, now it's that stupid crawler :) |
| 13:37.08 | webustany | though it's run with -c /home/user/MyDocs |
| 13:37.26 | webustany | and -n |
| 13:42.32 | crashanddie | I'm starting a depression, it's on my to do list |
| 13:44.44 | webustany | crashanddie: still on your repo problem ? |
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| 13:45.09 | crashanddie | not a repo problem |
| 13:45.49 | crashanddie | dependency issues |
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| 13:46.30 | webustany | crashanddie: can you explain more in detail ? |
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| 13:47.21 | crashanddie | webustany, I'm trying to get commoncpp2 to compile with all its dependencies, but it needs libgnutls, which exists, but its dependencies aren't there, etc, etc |
| 13:48.08 | webustany | crashanddie: I see... libgnutls is in some repo right ? |
| 13:48.15 | webustany | maemo extras maybe... |
| 13:48.18 | webustany | don't remember |
| 13:50.12 | crashanddie | found it |
| 13:50.22 | crashanddie | extra-devel |
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| 14:03.09 | crashanddie | Ok, so I managed to build commoncpp2, finally, perfectly working and everything :) |
| 14:03.26 | webustany | crashanddie: you want to compile apps directly on your target ? |
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| 14:03.53 | crashanddie | webustany, I'm working in scratchbox |
| 14:03.58 | webustany | crashanddie: ah ok :) |
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| 14:10.53 | crashanddie | is it a 100% necessary to build both the x86 and armel versions of a package ? |
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| 14:13.55 | johnx | crashanddie, not necessary at all |
| 14:14.25 | crashanddie | johnx, because some dependencies aren't available in the x86 version ... |
| 14:14.43 | johnx | I've never built an x86 package |
| 14:14.49 | johnx | (in scratchbox) |
| 14:14.51 | crashanddie | fair enough then |
| 14:15.58 | crashanddie | johnx, also, I've noticed a lot of packages have maemo in their names, is it a bad thing if I don't respect that ? |
| 14:16.53 | johnx | From what I understand, they just use it as a part of the version string to differentiate it from a non-maemo build of the same package |
| 14:17.07 | johnx | I'm not 100% sure on that though... |
| 14:18.14 | crashanddie | johnx, yeah, but for example, libs are not maemo dependent, it's just compiled for armel, which is specific enough |
| 14:18.41 | crashanddie | well, I'll see, if something goes awry, they'll scream I guess |
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| 14:39.00 | jani | not really related to the channel topic but is sc[1;3Chema required for writing into a new path in gconf tree ? |
| 14:39.41 | crashanddie | sc[1;3Chema ? |
| 14:40.59 | johnx | schema I assume? |
| 14:41.31 | jani | yep. schema |
| 14:42.52 | jani | eg myapp.schemas file. wondering if its necessery or not.. few tutorials i went thru didnt mention anything either way - just how to read/write into gconf |
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| 14:46.27 | crashanddie | johnx, do you now how long it usually takes before seeing the changes on the repo ? After upload I mean ? |
| 14:46.42 | johnx | no idea about uploading to the repo... |
| 14:48.08 | johnx | ah, was your question about x86 packages with regards to for uploading something? Hmm, I'm not sure about that, then... |
| 14:48.14 | johnx | hope I haven't steered you wrong... |
| 14:49.36 | crashanddie | johnx, lol |
| 14:49.41 | crashanddie | johnx, yeah, sorta :P |
| 14:49.50 | johnx | sorry :( |
| 14:49.58 | crashanddie | heh |
| 14:50.16 | crashanddie | well, anyway, I'm not the first, tons of packages that are missing from x86 |
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| 14:50.36 | johnx | though if the deps aren't there to build the x86 package I'm not sure what you're supposed to do about it... |
| 14:51.05 | crashanddie | like I said, I'll start doing it if I ever get around it |
| 14:52.05 | johnx | oooh, midori for OS2008. neat. :D |
| 14:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's a crapgasm compared to MicroB right now. |
| 14:53.05 | johnx | interesting |
| 14:53.12 | johnx | I have on test I really need to try though |
| 14:54.30 | johnx | and IMNSO, webkit has a lot more potential than gecko in the embedded space... |
| 14:55.23 | aquatix | +H |
| 14:55.24 | dtahtbot | aquatix: Error: "H" is not a valid command. |
| 14:55.31 | aquatix | dtahtbot: shut it ;) |
| 14:55.33 | dtahtbot | aquatix: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. |
| 14:55.38 | aquatix | ... |
| 14:55.39 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 14:55.47 | aquatix | stupid bot :) |
| 14:55.59 | johnx | you shore showed it though... :D |
| 14:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | Probably, but potential takes work. |
| 14:56.18 | Navi | johnx, the problem with microb was that it lacks NIT-specific optimizations |
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| 14:57.20 | aquatix | Navi: NIT? |
| 14:57.25 | Navi | when I was last running browser benches, the nightly xulrunner ran better than webkit did |
| 14:57.32 | johnx | Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't webkit smaller then gecko to begin with? |
| 14:57.39 | Jaffa | still gets impressed with some of the features on Mobile Safari to take advantage of zooming in with knowledge of the page's semantic structure. |
| 14:58.05 | Jaffa | Less of a need on 800x480, admittedly |
| 14:58.11 | Navi | Gecko had old memory issues to deal with; don't know if they're still around |
| 14:58.38 | Navi | aquatix, nokia internet tablet |
| 14:58.49 | aquatix | oh duh :) |
| 14:59.10 | keesj | I dislike old memories |
| 14:59.42 | johnx | keesj, let me tell you about our amnesia program then, for three easy payments of... |
| 14:59.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ah, curiosity satisfied. Google maps "feels" faster to me under midori (or epiphany-webkit) than microb already |
| 15:00.05 | MangoFusion | the best mobile browser i have used so far is webkit on my n95. in second place is microb ;) |
| 15:00.09 | keesj | :p |
| 15:00.25 | Navi | both the nightly xulrunner and the current libwebkit in the repos (which happen to be a bit out of date) are snappy on the N8X0 though |
| 15:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | The Gecko build in MicroB is old. |
| 15:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Diablo will rectify thatt. |
| 15:01.00 | keesj | wasn't opera a little faster on the n800? |
| 15:01.13 | Navi | johnx, in terms of script execution speed, xulrunner raped the unoptimized webkit javascript core. |
| 15:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | A little without the CPU boost, but it didn't work with anything. |
| 15:01.43 | johnx | keesj, yes. some people liked it, others like microb better. |
| 15:02.01 | johnx | it all comes down to what sites you visit and what you value in a mobile browser |
| 15:02.27 | keesj | like is an other thing :p . I like the microbs because they are open source. |
| 15:02.47 | keesj | was talking aboud speed |
| 15:02.47 | aquatix | microbes surf nicely |
| 15:02.51 | jott | keesj: then give me the source of tablet-browser-ui :P |
| 15:02.58 | Navi | :) |
| 15:03.28 | Navi | microb has horrible performance. |
| 15:03.29 | johnx | actually, that's the other reason I'm excited to see a hildonized midori. :D |
| 15:04.00 | jott | ah hildonized.. compiled midori a while back and it was quite unusable ... |
| 15:04.11 | Navi | johnx, I want to see alp and co. do a few more optimizations (especially to the javascript core) first |
| 15:04.54 | johnx | Navi, definitely, but the fact that it works so well already makes me very happy |
| 15:05.03 | Navi | Not as well as xulrunner :) |
| 15:05.25 | johnx | which is hildonized and launching nicely from a menu? :P |
| 15:05.40 | Navi | No, but neither is libwebkit |
| 15:05.43 | GeneralAntilles | Why the hell did they close tablet-browser, anyway? |
| 15:05.50 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, fear |
| 15:06.20 | jott | GeneralAntilles: nokias new policy to interact better with the oss community :P |
| 15:06.43 | Navi | xulrunner's script execution speed was half the time of webkit's, which was a fourth of the time of microb's |
| 15:06.50 | johnx | O_o |
| 15:06.52 | johnx | ahaha |
| 15:07.05 | johnx | wow |
| 15:07.18 | johnx | no small wonder google maps is sooo painfully slow in microb |
| 15:08.04 | Navi | Still doesn't get near the times of desktops, but I don't expect that |
| 15:08.30 | johnx | yeah, but it's the difference between unusable and usable |
| 15:08.39 | jott | hehe well ff3/webkit on n8x0 could beat ff2 on the desktop :P |
| 15:08.57 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:09.12 | aquatix | i thought microb already used the ff3 engine? [gecko 1.9] |
| 15:09.21 | jott | aquatix: very old snapshot |
| 15:09.31 | aquatix | yeah, i noticed |
| 15:09.36 | jott | missing lots of optimization :) |
| 15:09.40 | aquatix | Fx3 beta 4 on my laptop zips |
| 15:09.54 | pupnik | http://apple2history.org/history/ah03.html |
| 15:09.55 | pupnik | real hacker |
| 15:09.58 | pupnik | An interesting bit of trivia about Wozniak's Integer BASIC was that he never had an assembly language source file for it. He wrote it in machine language, assembling it by hand on paper: |
| 15:10.47 | jott | hmm firefox 3 still lacks rendering speed and feels sluggish here - js perfomance is nice though ;) |
| 15:10.47 | crashanddie | I'd love to have gmail being snappy |
| 15:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | Modest. |
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| 15:11.04 | crashanddie | yeah well I've never been a big fan of email clients |
| 15:11.43 | crashanddie | I might be (and probably am) plain wrong, but I always have this sense of limitation |
| 15:11.51 | johnx | ah that reminds me: is the search in modest working for anyone or should I file a bug? |
| 15:12.14 | crashanddie | I want me email to be on the laptop I work on, as well as the desktop I'm going to, as well as my IT |
| 15:12.33 | crashanddie | I don't want to have to wait for it to come in, or be stuck on one device that stole it from the others, etc |
| 15:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | IMAP |
| 15:12.47 | aquatix | ah, speaking of Modest, does any of you know why it almost never marks my email as `read' when i have read it from imap? |
| 15:12.48 | crashanddie | IMAP is plenty slow |
| 15:12.59 | aquatix | imap is nice |
| 15:13.12 | johnx | modest has gotten *a lot* faster |
| 15:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | Search doesn't seem to do anything for me, johnx. |
| 15:14.01 | Navi | Hrm |
| 15:14.07 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, do you use modest with gmail ? |
| 15:14.09 | Navi | I can't find the phone with my spare N800 battery in it |
| 15:14.40 | johnx | I use modest with gmail/imap |
| 15:14.49 | crashanddie | Navi, that's not your spare N800 battery, that's the battery of your phone you're using because your n800 one ran out :P |
| 15:14.52 | johnx | plenty fast, and marks things read |
| 15:14.57 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 15:14.59 | Navi | crashanddie, I dont use that phone |
| 15:15.04 | crashanddie | ok, lemme give it a try |
| 15:15.05 | keesj | interesting , /me just dicovered that the "nokia" serial was documented http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation/#dd110018d2a5069fe5f69e45ed6335fc |
| 15:15.06 | crashanddie | (again) |
| 15:15.14 | Navi | It's just in there 'cuz I need it to charge the battery |
| 15:15.23 | keesj | I wonder where to get some kind of adapter |
| 15:16.07 | aquatix | johnx: hm, i use the weekly's, but it doesn't generally mark email read on my imaps server |
| 15:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | keesj, you'd have to build one. |
| 15:16.23 | johnx | all I can say is that it "works for me" |
| 15:16.27 | GeneralAntilles | Or break into a service center and steal one. |
| 15:16.30 | aquatix | johnx: ok :) |
| 15:16.45 | aquatix | wil remove the account and re-add it |
| 15:16.49 | keesj | I will go for the easy sollution |
| 15:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | Breaking in and stealing one? :P |
| 15:17.15 | keesj | off course |
| 15:19.10 | keesj | is should have studied fine mechanics like my parents would have liked, instead I wanted to study AI and ended up in IT |
| 15:20.02 | crashanddie | my parents wanted me to be a doctor, or a lawyer |
| 15:20.10 | crashanddie | oh the shame |
| 15:20.16 | crashanddie | :D |
| 15:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Instead you burned up like a piggy or a bbq? |
| 15:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | s/or/on/ |
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| 15:21.11 | crashanddie | man maemo-hackers is waaay too slow |
| 15:21.58 | crashanddie | they should up their simultaneous connections by a bunch, its not the load that's killing 'em, it's the small queue |
| 15:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | Damnit, that song is stuck in my head now and I have to go watch that movie again. <_< |
| 15:22.28 | crashanddie | which song ? Which movie ? |
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| 15:23.02 | GeneralAntilles | Blame Canada |
| 15:23.09 | GeneralAntilles | South Park: The Movie |
| 15:23.18 | crashanddie | heh |
| 15:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | Greatest musical ever. |
| 15:25.26 | crashanddie | agreed |
| 15:25.31 | crashanddie | after Sweeney Todd |
| 15:25.50 | glass | hehe |
| 15:26.29 | glass | rocky horror picture show is better than southpark at least though |
| 15:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
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| 15:32.17 | lcuk | south parks wins just by pure classics as La Resistance or I Can Change, and who could forget uncle fucker |
| 15:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 15:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | Satan singing. . . . |
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| 15:32.52 | crashanddie | well uncle fucker is probably my least favorite one |
| 15:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | I love the scene with Cartman and the megaphone. |
| 15:33.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's so catchy. |
| 15:33.22 | crashanddie | the dying giraffe is classic though |
| 15:33.57 | glass | lcuk: better songs, but not a better musical/movie |
| 15:34.37 | lcuk | south park is a decent movie, rocky horror is an experience |
| 15:35.48 | lcuk | hmm i just had an email with a single word: "remove" |
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| 15:35.56 | lcuk | i wonder who thinks im a bot |
| 15:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | You aren't? |
| 15:37.37 | aquatix | dang, i thought alice bot had evolved |
| 15:47.05 | Navi | All of my emails are titled and worded to intentionally be caught by spam filters |
| 15:47.24 | johnx | is it working? |
| 15:47.30 | Navi | Yeah |
| 15:47.37 | johnx | nice |
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| 15:48.04 | johnx | I tried that when I was setting up spamassassin the last time, but it could tell I wasn't actually advertising something...somehow |
| 15:51.07 | Navi | heh |
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| 15:53.45 | lcuk | its ok, i get spam sent from myself every day at work, its most disconcerting and i dont wanna add myself to the spam filter |
| 15:53.53 | lcuk | <<< FAIL |
| 15:54.30 | johnx | I guess I need to work on my pitch or something before I'm good enough to be considered spam... |
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| 15:55.41 | lcuk | or maybe we can coat you in jelly and push you into a tin |
| 15:57.08 | johnx | I think I'll have to pass on that one... |
| 15:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | You sure? It's great fun. |
| 15:57.59 | johnx | nah, it's cool. you guys go ahead. ::runs:: |
| 15:58.18 | aquatix | lcuk: send a mail to the address with only this as body: |
| 15:58.21 | aquatix | XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X |
| 15:58.26 | aquatix | instaspam |
| 15:58.28 | lcuk | eicar :D |
| 15:59.01 | lcuk | oooh no, this is different |
| 15:59.10 | aquatix | spamassassin test thingee |
| 15:59.12 | lcuk | X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* |
| 16:00.36 | crashanddie | say, how come in the update section of application manager I always see "map", but am never able to update it ? |
| 16:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | Uninstall it then reinstall it. |
| 16:01.09 | wom- | same here :) |
| 16:01.15 | lcuk | likely you have broken repo list and your device tried getting dependencies from odd places |
| 16:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's been true since day one. |
| 16:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | Update is broken somehow. |
| 16:01.49 | lcuk | ahhh, so even people with default repo have this problem? |
| 16:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | But uninstall/reinstall or red pill will fix it. |
| 16:01.57 | sp3000 | sure |
| 16:02.45 | aquatix | uninstall/reinstall worked here indeed, fyi ;) |
| 16:02.53 | aquatix | </stating_obvious> |
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| 16:08.12 | lcuk | holy crap http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7321589.stm |
| 16:09.15 | t_s_o | ouch. i guess thats a good reason for not handing over a flying car to everyone... |
| 16:09.21 | crashanddie | johnx, installed modest, selected gmail imap account, keeps telling me username or password incorrect, tried both "crashanddie" and "crashanddie@gmail.com" for usernames, refuses both |
| 16:10.11 | MangoFusion | worked fine for me, how odd =/ |
| 16:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | IMAP enabled in the gmail control panel? |
| 16:10.25 | t_s_o | so, any ideas of the finger keyboard sensory system, or whatever, is tuneable somehow? |
| 16:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | No, just use center dpad. |
| 16:11.28 | johnx | midori copes with heavy sites like engadget so much better than microb... |
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| 16:16.03 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 16:16.07 | crashanddie | so, I admit |
| 16:16.13 | crashanddie | imap is plenty fast with modest |
| 16:16.19 | crashanddie | claws sucks, thus |
| 16:16.59 | johnx | it used to be not that quick in modest...in fact for quite a while I was worried we were stuck with the crappy status quo WRT no good email clients on the n8x0 |
| 16:17.22 | crashanddie | does modest support pgp ? |
| 16:17.26 | rafl | how to resize columns in a gtk treeview widget on maemo? for some reason the application manager displays package names in a very small column which makes it pretty unusable as only the first few characters are shown. |
| 16:18.50 | crashanddie | johnx, do the email headers get saved on the IT ? |
| 16:19.02 | crashanddie | johnx, as in, will it need to do the big update everytime again ? |
| 16:19.30 | johnx | I *think* they're saved. and it seems like at least a couple of recent messages are cached as well |
| 16:19.42 | johnx | I have no idea what the inclusion policy for that cache is though... |
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| 16:23.31 | lcuk | refl, ive noticed that as well and the annoying thing is the refresh after you click to see the rest and then close |
| 16:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, rafl, that is fixed in SVN, should be in Diablo. |
| 16:27.31 | lcuk | i expected things like this to change which is why i am looking foreward to it :) |
| 16:28.01 | rafl | GeneralAntilles: any way to work it around for now? |
| 16:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | Compile and install the latest svn. |
| 16:28.31 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: thank god; the App Mgr has so many niggles with its overeager refreeshing of the GUI |
| 16:28.39 | rafl | aye |
| 16:34.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping they don't delay the Diablo release after the announcement like they did with OS2008 |
| 16:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | er, Chinook. |
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| 16:38.05 | johnx | I'm not holding my breath... |
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| 16:40.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
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| 17:50.48 | user__ | hello |
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| 17:51.40 | Proteous | hello |
| 17:52.37 | user__ | i just went to youtube and got a message that i have javascript turned off or an old version of flash payer, anyone else getting this? |
| 17:53.37 | shackan | user__: is the flash component in the browser loaded? |
| 17:54.02 | shackan | lower right corner -> magnifying glass icon -> components |
| 17:54.15 | lcuk | i noticed earlier today flash player on a site was showing up with shockwave icon instead of flash icon as it normally does. |
| 17:54.23 | lcuk | that was on windows with firefox/flashblock |
| 17:54.36 | user__ | how do i check that? i never unloaded it.. |
| 17:54.58 | Italodance | help |
| 17:55.06 | lcuk | no, what i mean is normally youtube shows up as a blocked flash window. today it displayed as a blocked shockwave window |
| 17:55.12 | user__ | yep, it's loaded |
| 17:55.45 | Italodance | ma canola 2 can't read my photos at my mmc2 gallery folder what can i do? |
| 17:56.12 | Italodance | ? |
| 17:56.41 | lcuk | sit back and wait for the end of the world? |
| 17:56.55 | lcuk | not sure, have you looked on canola site to see if others have noticed a problem |
| 17:57.02 | user__ | and strangely, tried to view my galleries in http |
| 17:57.03 | user__ | and strangely, tried to view my galleries in http://fmedina.smugmu.com and they now don't show up..it's heavy on javascript.. |
| 17:57.21 | Italodance | so what can i do? |
| 17:59.00 | lcuk | have a look here |
| 17:59.00 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=462 |
| 17:59.34 | lcuk | i dont use the program myself and dont know if others will have seen it |
| 17:59.35 | Italodance | also my canola 2 Dedicated to my Mplayer! i want for Media Player!??? what can i do? |
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| 18:00.23 | KotCzarny | lcuk: are you familiar with pygtk? or python? |
| 18:00.42 | lcuk | ive got a rusty enough understanding to work with it |
| 18:00.57 | KotCzarny | can you help me with a (simple?) script? |
| 18:01.26 | lcuk | sure ill take a look |
| 18:01.32 | KotCzarny | join #kotc |
| 18:03.45 | user__ | i restarted browser, now youtube works.. |
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| 19:20.17 | f_mohr | is there a desktop linux tool to access/create meamo mappers map gdbm files? |
| 19:20.34 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 19:20.42 | KotCzarny | it's a simple sqlite3 db |
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| 19:36.08 | crashanddie | wake up people ! |
| 19:36.16 | KotCzarny | what for? |
| 19:36.24 | crashanddie | dunno :) |
| 19:36.39 | KotCzarny | goes back where he was |
| 19:37.10 | crashanddie | bed ? |
| 19:41.56 | Jaffa | goes to watch the end of Series 2 of _Spaced_ |
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| 19:47.30 | Proteous | wake up sheeple |
| 19:47.43 | Proteous | OS2008 is an inside job |
| 19:48.43 | Navi | ZOMG |
| 19:48.45 | Navi | UR RITE |
| 19:48.58 | Navi | Proteous, how do I wake up?! |
| 19:50.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha. omg, Proteous. |
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| 19:54.17 | hrw | i |
| 19:54.19 | hrw | hi |
| 19:54.34 | hrw | ~curse badly xkb |
| 19:54.34 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, badly xkb ! |
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| 19:55.16 | KotCzarny | uucpssh? |
| 19:55.18 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 19:58.15 | hrw | I wonder why xkb is so fscked by design. |
| 19:58.53 | hrw | or rather why maemo devs fscked n810 keymaps so much |
| 19:59.15 | Robot101 | xkb is fucked by sgi and metroworks |
| 19:59.33 | KotCzarny | sgi is dead baby |
| 19:59.40 | hrw | to make working keymap you need to define 80% of keys becase base configuration defines only Fkeys, cursors and few keys |
| 19:59.46 | hrw | ~kill maemo |
| 19:59.47 | infobot | ACTION shoots a ionized pseudomeson gun at maemo |
| 20:00.07 | Robot101 | the maemo guy is the xkb upstream maintainer, and did a hell of a lot of work to fix it |
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| 20:00.45 | hrw | Robot101: maybe he is. but it is not his fault that i18n on maemo platform not exists at all |
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| 20:00.57 | hrw | those parts which exists were designed by .... |
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| 20:07.21 | pupnik | xkb? xkb? |
| 20:08.23 | pupnik | hrw you can fix http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html xkbd virtual keyboard for OS2008? |
| 20:08.55 | pupnik | or is there a better alternative? |
| 20:09.08 | hrw | pupnik: I curse n810 keymaps |
| 20:09.32 | KotCzarny | i'll fix xkbd one day |
| 20:09.34 | KotCzarny | i promise |
| 20:09.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:09.56 | KotCzarny | right now i'm working on iconxbox |
| 20:09.59 | KotCzarny | iconsbox |
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| 20:10.13 | pupnik | ? |
| 20:10.20 | hrw | pupnik: I only use maemo - rather do not plan to develop apps for it. |
| 20:10.33 | KotCzarny | to catch those 'invisible' windows |
| 20:10.39 | pupnik | ah |
| 20:10.44 | KotCzarny | and have an option to bring them back |
| 20:10.58 | hrw | pupnik: this platform is too sick for me and level of 'vendor support' makes it sick even more |
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| 20:15.16 | pupnik | hrw any less sick handheld platforms come to mind? |
| 20:15.31 | vlad_ | KotCzarny: got it working btw, I'll write up instructions shortly |
| 20:15.40 | KotCzarny | vlad: great :) |
| 20:15.44 | vlad_ | had to rebuild glib with the new compiler |
| 20:15.48 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 20:15.54 | KotCzarny | i have thought about it |
| 20:16.07 | KotCzarny | but it means wholse os will need to be rebuilt |
| 20:16.25 | KotCzarny | and apt-get upgrade will wreak havoc :> |
| 20:16.37 | hrw | pupnik: hard to tell - it was long time since I used pda for longer time |
| 20:17.04 | vlad_ | KotCzarny: well.. I haven't tested on the device yet |
| 20:17.16 | vlad_ | but I think it's a qemu problem, and that binaries will run fine |
| 20:17.33 | vlad_ | only other thing I noticed is that I think I installed the scratchbox1 compiler, not sb2 |
| 20:17.35 | KotCzarny | vlad: i'm a pessimist :) |
| 20:18.03 | vlad_ | (scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2007q3-51sb1 instead of scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2007q3-51) |
| 20:18.14 | KotCzarny | i have tried both |
| 20:18.25 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 20:18.31 | vlad_ | the sb1 seems to be working fine, but I wonder if that's bad in some way |
| 20:19.04 | hrw | bye all |
| 20:19.13 | KotCzarny | how to tell which sbox i have? |
| 20:19.15 | hrw | finally fixed Polish n810 hw keymap again |
| 20:22.46 | eichi | my N800 LED does not stop flashing ;D what can i do? |
| 20:23.26 | KotCzarny | panic |
| 20:23.40 | KotCzarny | or just turn notifiers in control panels |
| 20:24.25 | KotCzarny | maybe you have new mail or something |
| 20:26.25 | Italodance | help |
| 20:26.42 | Italodance | how can default my canola from mplayer to media player ? |
| 20:27.24 | Italodance | ? |
| 20:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | eichi, there are settings in the Control Panel under Backlight. |
| 20:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, there's a thread or two on the subject in the Canola forum on ITT. |
| 20:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, unless you happened to have stumbled on the little LED bug, eichi. In which case, a restart will solve it. |
| 20:34.36 | eichi | claws-mail did the flashing |
| 20:34.41 | eichi | i closed claws-mail now |
| 20:35.02 | eichi | restart is for adding new hardware ;) |
| 20:35.36 | KotCzarny | or upgrading libc |
| 20:35.47 | KotCzarny | or kernel |
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| 20:36.15 | KotCzarny | or as a quick and dirty 'boss key' feature |
| 20:36.40 | pat__ | hi, how do i gain root on maemo? the article with installing ssh seeems to be out of date since the link to dropbear is dead... |
| 20:36.52 | KotCzarny | why do you need dropbear? |
| 20:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | nitapps.com |
| 20:36.53 | eichi | pat__, install easyroot |
| 20:36.57 | GeneralAntilles | Instally easyroot |
| 20:36.58 | KotCzarny | install ssh-server |
| 20:37.00 | eichi | then type root |
| 20:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | Type "root" in xterm |
| 20:37.15 | KotCzarny | or openssh-server |
| 20:37.22 | KotCzarny | or ssh metapackage |
| 20:37.40 | KotCzarny | that will install client and server |
| 20:38.30 | KotCzarny | apt-get install openssh |
| 20:38.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:39.49 | pat__ | now client and ssh server or easyroot? on maemo os 07 i've already installed sshd but after that, my n800 box didn't start anymore.. that's why I've never installed it again... |
| 20:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | Both |
| 20:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | OpenSSH is incredibly useful. |
| 20:40.23 | GeneralAntilles | easyroot is good for local root shell. |
| 20:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | Thousands of people use OpenSSH without trouble. |
| 20:43.24 | pat__ | hmm okay... I try it once again... :) |
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| 20:46.07 | pupnik | too bad Ångström looks kinda ... semi inactive |
| 20:49.13 | Italodance | how can edit a text file on n800? wel for internal card? |
| 20:49.21 | Italodance | hello unique311 |
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| 20:58.18 | konttori | hey, anyone of you guys been creating home applets using python? |
| 20:58.45 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 20:58.52 | KotCzarny | i'm trying to learn it :) |
| 20:59.08 | konttori | It seems quite easy stuff really |
| 20:59.20 | konttori | And looks like it could be really powerful indeed. |
| 20:59.23 | KotCzarny | if you know python and gtk already.. |
| 20:59.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:59.45 | konttori | Yeah, well, I'd recommend doing the applets with cairo |
| 21:00.03 | konttori | ok. maybe cairo and gtk then. |
| 21:00.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:01.23 | Navi | O_o |
| 21:03.05 | konttori | This threah should help you get on your feet with python desktop plugins: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16720 |
| 21:03.36 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 21:03.42 | KotCzarny | bookmark added :) |
| 21:04.43 | konttori | hns posts on second page a really good example on what you have to put to desktop file and where you have to put the python file |
| 21:04.44 | konttori | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16720&page=2 |
| 21:04.55 | konttori | (and also a good cairo example) |
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| 21:10.42 | blimpdude | hi. |
| 21:11.11 | blimpdude | any ideas how i can watch flash videos on my 770? |
| 21:12.00 | KotCzarny | flash with os2008he ? |
| 21:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer |
| 21:12.55 | blimpdude | hmm... os2008he on 770 ? |
| 21:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | Not supported |
| 21:13.11 | KotCzarny | he stands for hackers edition |
| 21:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | But there's a thread on ITT covering the steps to install. |
| 21:13.41 | blimpdude | ya im sceptical to even install 2007he |
| 21:14.14 | pupnik | "flying in the air so fancy free"? |
| 21:14.53 | pupnik | i'm hearing homer simpson sing 'hey there, blimpy boy' |
| 21:15.07 | KotCzarny | Browser works nicely but there is no Flash. |
| 21:15.08 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 21:15.13 | KotCzarny | scratch it then |
| 21:15.18 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html |
| 21:15.29 | KotCzarny | unless something has changed since then |
| 21:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:16.03 | blimpdude | i <3 my 770 tho |
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| 21:40.02 | Navi | Oh lawd |
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| 21:58.15 | KotCzarny | http://blog.homac.de/?p=58 |
| 21:58.16 | KotCzarny | hah |
| 21:59.21 | pupnik | bleh. my 'new' desktop PC is listed by some kid on ebay under 'classic computers' |
| 22:05.26 | glass | haha |
| 22:05.34 | glass | classic computers ha |
| 22:06.01 | glass | friend showed a mmc reader for c64 last night |
| 22:06.23 | pupnik | sweet :) |
| 22:06.29 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 22:15.10 | jku | stage.maemo.org and b.m.o seem to be down again |
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| 22:19.33 | Drewseefus | Hi all! I'm trying to delete cached away msg's on Pidgin on my Nokia N810 Tablet. There is no delete key to do so. Is there a work-around? |
| 22:23.04 | Drewseefus | Hello? |
| 22:23.35 | Proteous | I've never used Pidgin |
| 22:23.38 | Proteous | so I have no idea |
| 22:23.54 | Drewseefus | Thanks Proteous |
| 22:24.37 | Drewseefus | Do you know of any software that will allow me to use an on-screen keyboard? |
| 22:24.55 | Drewseefus | I need to be able to use the "DEL" key |
| 22:25.01 | Proteous | heh |
| 22:25.19 | Drewseefus | That's the problem that I'm having. I can only delete Cache by using the DEL key, which isn't included on the device. |
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| 22:44.40 | Cptnodegard | [00:24] <Drewseefus> Do you know of any software that will allow me to use an on-screen keyboard? <- dont the onscreen kb show when the hardfware keyboard isnt pulled out? |
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| 22:50.33 | vlad_ | ugh, is maemo.org down/dead again? |
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| 22:53.34 | sp3000 | checks calendar |
| 22:53.38 | sp3000 | weekend, yup |
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| 23:03.28 | vlad_ | is there a repository mirror anywhere? |
| 23:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | timeless had one setup |
| 23:04.16 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure if it's still up |
| 23:04.22 | vlad_ | hm |
| 23:04.33 | vlad_ | our IT guys offered to mirror I think, but we got turned down or somesuch |
| 23:04.35 | vlad_ | not sure what happened |
| 23:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | Really? |
| 23:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 23:05.42 | vlad_ | yeah, I'll ask again and see what's up |
| 23:05.59 | vlad_ | or I'll probably just do a mirror anyway, of the repo at least |
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| 23:10.44 | skibur | Anybody have their Bluetooth Headset working with N800/N810? |
| 23:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Headset or headphones? |
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| 23:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | Tons and tons of people headsets. |
| 23:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | Headphones, fewer, but they work, too. |
| 23:19.39 | pupnik | can apt-get handle mirrors? |
| 23:20.03 | GeneralAntilles | Should be able to. |
| 23:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'd assume, anyway |
| 23:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have a lot of practical experience with Debian proper. |
| 23:20.31 | yllus | dumb question. I'm at the shell and I have a .deb file I want to install. What's the apt-get syntax for that? |
| 23:20.54 | milhouse | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 23:21.00 | yllus | danke, good sir |
| 23:21.28 | pupnik | Actually i don't think it does GeneralAntilles |
| 23:21.40 | pupnik | you have to comment-out redundant mirrors |
| 23:21.43 | pupnik | afaict |
| 23:21.45 | GeneralAntilles | Aha |
| 23:21.50 | GeneralAntilles | Suckitude |
| 23:21.55 | GeneralAntilles | Wish we could set a sane timeout. |
| 23:22.53 | pupnik | also it'd be nice if 'install from file' would go fetch required libraries |
| 23:23.31 | KotCzarny | pupnik: let's make community apt-gui :> |
| 23:24.11 | pupnik | KotCzarny: either that or make proper extras packages :) |
| 23:24.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:25.37 | pupnik | But um. People who want to do that are welcome to |
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| 23:55.26 | KotCzarny | do what? |
| 23:56.01 | pupnik | brush up things and submit to repositories |
| 23:56.20 | KotCzarny | yeah, i have thought about community controlled repo |
| 23:56.34 | pupnik | extras-devel? |
| 23:56.45 | KotCzarny | extras-eyeballed |
| 23:58.13 | pupnik | heh did you know there was a computer maker in east germany called 'robotron'? |
| 23:58.23 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:58.47 | KotCzarny | soviet block IT ruled |
| 23:58.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:59.30 | pupnik | http://www.robotrontechnik.de/bilder/Uralt/D1/Magnettrommelspeicher_k.jpg Robotron drum memory with 2048 byte capacity |
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| 23:59.45 | KotCzarny | erm.. |
