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| 00:27.45 | koyote | is there anything i actually have to do in 2008 to enable host mode for the usb? |
| 00:27.51 | koyote | to use a keyboard? |
| 00:28.05 | cLin | hrm |
| 00:28.10 | cLin | my ssh on n800 isn't working |
| 00:28.12 | cLin | thats weird |
| 00:28.52 | KotCzarny | ping it |
| 00:29.14 | KotCzarny | koyote: have you switched it to the host mode? |
| 00:29.15 | cLin | i can access it thru my n800 but can't elsewhere |
| 00:29.19 | cLin | i just used it last night too |
| 00:29.20 | cLin | thats weird |
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| 00:31.36 | koyote | how do i switch to host mode? |
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| 00:34.35 | KotCzarny | koyote: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 |
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| 01:01.08 | ttmrichter | Is there some way to bring an N800 up in something other than runlevel 2? I accidentally borked the runlevel 2 init scripts and can't start the machine. |
| 01:01.20 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 01:01.36 | KotCzarny | use fanoush usb rescue |
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| 01:04.27 | ttmrichter | KotCzarny: Is this something I can google quickly? |
| 01:04.49 | KotCzarny | words: fanoush init ? |
| 01:05.08 | KotCzarny | or better |
| 01:05.12 | KotCzarny | fanoush flasher |
| 01:05.27 | ttmrichter | I have to re-flash? This is what I'm trying to avoid doing. |
| 01:05.39 | KotCzarny | or just: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 01:05.52 | KotCzarny | only initfs, not your actual system |
| 01:06.26 | ttmrichter | Interesting. So I reflash just the initfs and this allows me to enter different runlevels, I'm presuming? |
| 01:06.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:06.39 | KotCzarny | runlevels, i don't know |
| 01:06.46 | KotCzarny | but you can telnet into it |
| 01:06.51 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 01:07.06 | KotCzarny | or just go into some kind of 'single' mode |
| 01:07.16 | ttmrichter | Ah, yes. Just read that. I can telnet/ssh in. Which is EXACTLY what I need. Single mode helps too (that would be runlevel 0). |
| 01:07.31 | KotCzarny | erm, no |
| 01:07.35 | KotCzarny | runlevel 0 is reboot |
| 01:07.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:07.40 | KotCzarny | runlevel 1 is single |
| 01:07.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:07.46 | ttmrichter | D'oh! Yeah, my mistake. |
| 01:07.56 | ttmrichter | I'm not used to runlevel-based systems. :) |
| 01:08.04 | KotCzarny | no problem |
| 01:08.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:08.07 | ttmrichter | I keep getting the numbers screwed up. |
| 01:08.29 | ttmrichter | I remember runlevel 2 (because it's ubiquitous) and runlevel S (because it's actually mnemonic!). |
| 01:08.37 | KotCzarny | i personally use ramdisk for rescueing on my pcs |
| 01:08.51 | ttmrichter | On my PCs I use liveCDs. |
| 01:08.59 | KotCzarny | something like that |
| 01:09.00 | ttmrichter | Much easier to rescue a PC than an N800. :) |
| 01:09.06 | KotCzarny | but made by myself |
| 01:09.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:09.35 | KotCzarny | so it has gcc/distcc/sshd |
| 01:09.41 | KotCzarny | and fits into 20mb |
| 01:09.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:09.53 | KotCzarny | quite easy way to bootup a cluster |
| 01:09.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 01:15.46 | scibot | Any idea if there's a way to temporarily disable the backlight from automatically dimming and/or switching off. |
| 01:16.13 | scibot | Having to tap it every minute while I try to draw a photo I have on screen is annoying. |
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| 01:16.39 | KotCzarny | scibot: there was a way to add more options for timeout |
| 01:16.42 | KotCzarny | fe. 60 minutes |
| 01:16.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:16.47 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 01:17.22 | scibot | Thanks. =) |
| 01:17.55 | KotCzarny | gconftool-2 --type "list" --list-type "int" --set "/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_dim_tim |
| 01:17.55 | KotCzarny | eouts" "[10,30,60,120,300,600,3600]" |
| 01:17.55 | KotCzarny | gconftool-2 --type "list" --list-type "int" --set "/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_t |
| 01:17.55 | KotCzarny | imeouts" "[30,60,120,300,600,3600]" |
| 01:18.04 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 01:18.08 | KotCzarny | got fragmented |
| 01:18.15 | KotCzarny | i hope you will see how to use it |
| 01:18.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:18.26 | scibot | Yep, thanks again. |
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| 01:53.42 | skibur | Do we have rotation on the N800/N810? |
| 01:54.27 | jott | skibur: yes, http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 01:54.32 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 01:54.35 | KotCzarny | and it rocks |
| 01:54.37 | skibur | cool |
| 01:54.44 | KotCzarny | and you can move menubar |
| 01:54.46 | skibur | xrandr? |
| 01:54.50 | KotCzarny | like in windows |
| 01:54.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:54.59 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 01:55.03 | skibur | nice |
| 01:55.08 | KotCzarny | very |
| 01:55.13 | KotCzarny | some bugs with programs |
| 01:55.26 | KotCzarny | but you will be only using it with www/ebooks |
| 01:55.33 | KotCzarny | and those work beautifully |
| 01:55.47 | skibur | thanks |
| 01:56.03 | skibur | will need to backup my current OS |
| 01:56.08 | skibur | ;) |
| 01:56.11 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 01:56.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:56.22 | skibur | hum... |
| 01:56.30 | skibur | checking Jott's site |
| 01:56.33 | jott | it should actually be save |
| 01:56.40 | KotCzarny | 'safe' |
| 01:56.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:56.43 | KotCzarny | it is |
| 01:56.44 | jott | you just flash the kernel and update xmap |
| 01:56.45 | jott | :) |
| 01:56.46 | jott | it is |
| 01:56.59 | jott | xomap |
| 01:57.40 | jott | still a backup can't be wrong ;) |
| 01:57.46 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 01:58.01 | KotCzarny | but cloning os to mmc is even better option |
| 01:58.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:58.16 | jott | that's just another word for "backup" :) |
| 01:58.42 | KotCzarny | more |
| 01:58.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:59.10 | skibur | =O |
| 01:59.17 | jott | no, everything else is less! :) |
| 01:59.17 | skibur | hum... |
| 01:59.32 | skibur | wonder if it will affect KDE |
| 01:59.53 | jott | actually KDE should work fine even with kde xrandr tray thingy i suppose |
| 02:00.55 | Kekerot | do you guys use wayfinder for gps? |
| 02:01.22 | skibur | how can I boot from SD card? |
| 02:01.32 | skibur | I already have the flasher at boot time |
| 02:01.44 | jott | use fanoush initfs |
| 02:01.44 | KotCzarny | skibur: look for a howto |
| 02:01.44 | skibur | what format should the file be on the sd card? |
| 02:02.14 | jott | no file, full / on an ext3 (or similar) partition |
| 02:02.22 | skibur | o ok |
| 02:02.35 | skibur | I used to have to OS |
| 02:02.38 | jott | but you could probably also do some loop back container madness :) |
| 02:02.39 | skibur | two |
| 02:02.50 | skibur | OS2007 and OS2008 |
| 02:03.10 | skibur | N800 and SD Card Internal |
| 02:03.17 | jott | Kekerot: http://xkcd.com/399/ <- i use this for gps ;) |
| 02:04.01 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 02:04.51 | Kekerot | thanks jott that seems much cheaper |
| 02:05.38 | skibur | wonder if Nokia will ever add rotation to the upcoming OS2008 update |
| 02:06.17 | jott | skibur: i doubt it.. too much work to make it really clean for to less gain. |
| 02:06.31 | jott | too |
| 02:07.03 | jott | but as long as we can use it, it's fine ;) |
| 02:07.09 | koyote | heh |
| 02:07.13 | koyote | sharp did it |
| 02:07.30 | jott | sharp had qtopia not maemo :P |
| 02:07.34 | skibur | F-it it works |
| 02:07.37 | skibur | :D |
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| 02:10.14 | koyote | jott: point being that very few things people ask for are reinventing the wheel |
| 02:10.55 | koyote | better time might be spent looking at what people have, need, want and designing around that as a new and comprehensive os change instead of dot incrementing |
| 02:10.58 | koyote | *shrug* |
| 02:11.23 | skibur | sorry |
| 02:16.32 | Kekerot | what is the latest macOS you can get running on a tablet with basilisk |
| 02:19.19 | WorkingOnWise | what changes do I need to make to the cloning process if I want to use ext3 on my sd card , when I clone the os to the sd card? I see nothing about ext3, and the ./nupgrade.sh (0-4) fails. the error is this - Unable to identify target device and partition with a valid linux filesystem (type 83). I partitioned the card with 7.2Gb ext3 partition and .5gb fat32 partition using my laptop. I also tried the .5gb fat 32 first, and s |
| 02:20.27 | koyote | you don't like your sd card? |
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| 02:21.42 | WorkingOnWise | what do u mean koyote? |
| 02:25.11 | WorkingOnWise | koyote: what do you mean? |
| 02:25.47 | koyote | ext3 on flash? |
| 02:25.59 | koyote | maximizing writes, minimizes life of card |
| 02:26.06 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 02:26.17 | KotCzarny | only if you enable journal=data |
| 02:26.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:26.35 | koyote | okay, only if you use ext3 in ext2 mode do you not kill your flash |
| 02:26.41 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 02:26.42 | koyote | phphphphpbbbtt |
| 02:26.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:27.38 | WorkingOnWise | I am chosing ext3 for the journaling abilities so it wont have to to an fschk acter a crash, or after x number of mounts |
| 02:27.41 | jott | hehe like writing to fats at a fixed location :) .. (hopefully the card is smarter than that ;) |
| 02:28.00 | WorkingOnWise | acter=after |
| 02:29.36 | koyote | raises an eyebrow |
| 02:29.53 | koyote | 1: I've lost more data with ext3 than ext2 |
| 02:30.25 | koyote | 2: journalling gives you a false sense of security. stuff fails, just because your inodes are safe doesn't mean much in the larger view |
| 02:30.39 | KotCzarny | but still |
| 02:30.55 | KotCzarny | checking 8gb ext2 after battery fail? |
| 02:30.58 | WorkingOnWise | i've never seen a data loss at all on ext2 or 3, except for hardware failures |
| 02:31.01 | KotCzarny | every time? |
| 02:31.28 | koyote | 3: I have worn out flash, and it sucks |
| 02:31.33 | WorkingOnWise | wow...yeah....how long would THAT take?! Didn't even concider that... |
| 02:31.51 | WorkingOnWise | koyote: over what period of time? |
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| 02:32.25 | koyote | on the hp200 I think I blew one up in 6 months. lot of weird traffic across that one |
| 02:32.32 | koyote | a couple others in the 18 month range |
| 02:32.49 | KotCzarny | was it ext3? |
| 02:32.50 | WorkingOnWise | what's an hp200? |
| 02:32.53 | jott | while true; do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmc1; done ;p |
| 02:32.56 | koyote | otoh, I have a few that have lasted several years, but I don't exactly put swap on them :) |
| 02:33.20 | koyote | WorkingOnWise: one had ext3 and jfs at various times, the other 2 were FAT32 |
| 02:33.43 | KotCzarny | so it doesn't matter, fat or ext3 from your perspective |
| 02:33.47 | koyote | WorkingOnWise: a PCXT you could hold in your hand |
| 02:33.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:33.50 | WorkingOnWise | so it doesnt sound like a file system thing... |
| 02:33.54 | koyote | before you were born :) |
| 02:34.07 | KotCzarny | hah, mlc flash? |
| 02:34.12 | koyote | WorkingOnWise: no, but a file system that generates more writes will shorten the life of the card. |
| 02:34.15 | WorkingOnWise | um...not likely koyote |
| 02:34.46 | freelikegnu | why not use blue tooth headphones, then you have real wireless radio :D |
| 02:34.47 | koyote | humor tag, I don't actually expect you are 12 |
| 02:35.11 | WorkingOnWise | lol....good....sometimes I still act it tho |
| 02:35.14 | WorkingOnWise | :D |
| 02:35.19 | koyote | *shrug* we've been over this a dozen times on #eeepc and on the eee wiki. |
| 02:35.23 | freelikegnu | oh crap I was way far back in the chat buffer |
| 02:35.32 | koyote | put ext3 and while you are at it a swap partition on there. |
| 02:35.50 | KotCzarny | with some gap between |
| 02:35.58 | KotCzarny | ~10mb |
| 02:36.04 | WorkingOnWise | actually, I want swap on the built in flash I think |
| 02:36.12 | KotCzarny | no you don't. |
| 02:36.17 | WorkingOnWise | y? |
| 02:36.23 | KotCzarny | remember that built in flash is soldered |
| 02:36.35 | KotCzarny | once it's worn out. it's dead. |
| 02:36.37 | jott | is it? :) |
| 02:36.42 | KotCzarny | isn't it? |
| 02:36.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:36.44 | WorkingOnWise | ah....and if i wear it out I'm buyin a new it |
| 02:36.50 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 02:36.51 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 02:36.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:36.56 | jott | the 2gb in n810? no one opened this thing yet and made photos :P |
| 02:36.57 | KotCzarny | if you put it that way |
| 02:37.05 | KotCzarny | jott: i have n800 |
| 02:37.09 | KotCzarny | so don't look at me |
| 02:37.09 | WorkingOnWise | me too |
| 02:37.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:37.14 | jott | KotCzarny: nothing new to me :) |
| 02:37.26 | KotCzarny | jott: do you have n810? |
| 02:37.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:37.33 | WorkingOnWise | so...my problem....how to do the clone on an ext3 partition... |
| 02:37.34 | jott | you have 3 guesses ;) |
| 02:37.55 | KotCzarny | jott: can i get 50/50 ? |
| 02:37.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:38.03 | WorkingOnWise | i already used 'em |
| 02:38.26 | jott | WorkingOnWise: mount the / partition somewhere and rsync it over |
| 02:38.48 | WorkingOnWise | I can rsync a live os? |
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| 02:40.09 | jott | just mount the / partition somewhere else and don't just copy "/" then you'll be pretty safe.. |
| 02:40.29 | jott | (you could also rsync / with the right arguments) |
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| 02:40.59 | jott | there is some more or less correct wiki entry somewhere :) |
| 02:43.38 | WorkingOnWise | I guess I could mess with it. it's not like I'm gonna hurt the primary OS |
| 02:44.04 | WorkingOnWise | and I do have rsync installed on the tablet |
| 02:46.29 | koyote | forget ext3, use ext2, make it a 2gb parition and leave the other 6 fat and use rsync for backups often |
| 02:46.42 | koyote | :p |
| 02:47.23 | jott | fat is evil :p |
| 02:47.43 | KotCzarny | more like 'dumb' |
| 02:47.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:47.52 | jott | and evil.. :) |
| 02:48.16 | KotCzarny | don't attribute evil to what can be explained with dumbness |
| 02:48.18 | jott | (more fat32/vfat is evil ;) |
| 02:48.44 | jott | like microsoft patent evil :) |
| 02:58.10 | Kekerot | has anyone tried emulating macOS on nit? |
| 02:58.17 | KotCzarny | fffft |
| 02:58.25 | KotCzarny | no macos on my nokia! |
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| 03:10.48 | skibur | :) |
| 03:11.03 | Navi | colon close parenthesis |
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| 03:32.46 | johnx | Kekerot, yup, look at itt. basiliskII I think is what it's called. 68k macs only |
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| 04:24.23 | amen1 | why I can not insmod in my n810? |
| 04:24.27 | amen1 | Nokia-N810-42-19:/# /sbin/insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko |
| 04:24.27 | amen1 | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory |
| 04:24.33 | KotCzarny | No such file or directory |
| 04:24.46 | KotCzarny | probably you need another module |
| 04:24.56 | GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't exist there? |
| 04:24.57 | KotCzarny | don't remember the name |
| 04:25.02 | johnx | also, you have to handle module dependencies manually because modprobe doesn't work out of the box |
| 04:25.30 | johnx | ext2 depends on symbols in mbd.ko IIRC |
| 04:25.35 | KotCzarny | or do: mkdir /lib/modules; cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 /lib/modules/ |
| 04:25.44 | KotCzarny | THEN you could simply do modprobe ext2 |
| 04:26.02 | KotCzarny | symlink would work too |
| 04:26.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:26.18 | amen1 | oh, thanks |
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| 04:39.27 | Italodance | morning guys |
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| 04:50.44 | Kekerot | http://home.tampabay.rr.com/osemu/n800/b2/ |
| 04:50.49 | Kekerot | what does it mean by tar on here? |
| 04:50.55 | Kekerot | it it just a program to unzip tar files |
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| 04:54.51 | Italodance | ? |
| 04:54.56 | tank-man | where does it say tar |
| 04:55.12 | Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=160303#post160303 |
| 04:55.13 | Italodance | :D |
| 04:55.26 | koyote` | yes! |
| 04:55.34 | koyote` | i have bt keyboard |
| 04:57.06 | Kekerot | it says you should have * osso-xterm |
| 04:57.06 | Kekerot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.06 | Kekerot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.22 | KotCzarny | you have tar from busybox |
| 04:57.52 | koyote` | emacs irc. so happy |
| 04:58.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:58.33 | KotCzarny | n800 ftw! |
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| 04:59.24 | Navi | :/ |
| 04:59.47 | Navi | woo hoo, 300 bytes per second |
| 04:59.56 | Navi | Blazing fast download speed |
| 05:00.08 | Kekerot | when i save a tar.gz file on my n810 it says there is no application to open file |
| 05:00.27 | Navi | tar xvzf <file>.tar.gz within osso-xterm |
| 05:00.38 | johnx | Kekerot, you need xarchiver or just untar it in the terminal with the command Navi just gave you |
| 05:01.10 | Italodance | hi johnx how are ya? :D |
| 05:01.40 | Kekerot | i tried to install osso-xterm but ther was only an os 2007 version on maemo.org |
| 05:02.02 | koyote` | is included in os2008 |
| 05:02.20 | koyote` | in utilities |
| 05:02.23 | Kekerot | oh ok i thought it was a different terminal |
| 05:05.14 | koyote` | now i need to get angband working |
| 05:06.37 | koyote` | but later |
| 05:06.52 | koyote` | i go lay down |
| 05:10.40 | Navi | odd |
| 05:14.56 | cLin^ | how hard would it to make a home applet that mimics something like a paintprogram |
| 05:15.18 | cLin^ | so i can scribble notes and clicking a button saves it, clicking another one locks the program so u can't accidentally write on it |
| 05:15.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:15.31 | Italodance | hey someone has hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.20-1)> |
| 05:15.33 | KotCzarny | nice idea |
| 05:17.17 | KotCzarny | clin: making it transparent would rock |
| 05:17.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:17.22 | KotCzarny | or layered |
| 05:17.29 | KotCzarny | like a notebook |
| 05:17.51 | KotCzarny | and integrating with calendar app |
| 05:17.52 | Kekerot | ahh i cant extract it with xarchiver |
| 05:17.54 | Kekerot | tar: unrecognized option `--keep-old-files' |
| 05:17.54 | Kekerot | BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) multi-call binary |
| 05:17.54 | Kekerot | Usage: tar -[czxtvO] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] ... |
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| 05:19.11 | Navi | tar xvzf <file>.tar.gz |
| 05:21.25 | Kekerot | i tried but it said no such file |
| 05:21.42 | Kekerot | do i need to get it to the directory |
| 05:21.51 | Navi | tar xvzf /path/to/<file>.tar.gz |
| 05:21.51 | KotCzarny | guess |
| 05:22.21 | KotCzarny | if you tell someone to unpack your stuff |
| 05:22.24 | Navi | and it'll extract it to your current directory |
| 05:22.32 | KotCzarny | do you have to tell them where's your stuff is |
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| 05:23.54 | Italodance | hello? |
| 05:24.07 | cLin^ | KotCzarny, you should make it |
| 05:24.15 | KotCzarny | clin: probably |
| 05:24.20 | cLin^ | seriously. i sometimes need somethingf i can just quickly scribble a note |
| 05:24.22 | cLin^ | like a todo |
| 05:24.23 | KotCzarny | though i have to do something else |
| 05:24.26 | cLin^ | then press button to lock it |
| 05:24.34 | cLin^ | press button seq to unlock it |
| 05:24.40 | cLin^ | another button to save |
| 05:24.50 | cLin^ | one to clear and one to switch from erase/pencil |
| 05:25.02 | KotCzarny | hack some sketch program? |
| 05:25.05 | cLin^ | yea |
| 05:25.08 | cLin^ | like mypaint |
| 05:25.11 | cLin^ | thats actually really nice |
| 05:25.18 | cLin^ | just needs the button lock and transparency |
| 05:25.30 | KotCzarny | and desktopness |
| 05:25.37 | cLin^ | yes |
| 05:25.44 | cLin^ | make it KotCzarny you will be praised |
| 05:25.49 | cLin^ | i know a lot of ppl want that |
| 05:25.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:26.27 | Kekerot | Navi how does maemo have files setup, like the file is in documents so is it /documents/file.tar.gz ? |
| 05:26.44 | cLin^ | do itttt |
| 05:26.53 | Navi | MyDocs within your home directory |
| 05:27.32 | Navi | as user, it'll be /home/user/MyDocs |
| 05:29.29 | cLin^ | can someone make it though? |
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| 05:45.18 | ryoohki_ | how do i install a package to the sd card rather than to the internal flash memory? |
| 05:47.14 | KotCzarny | googlewifi? |
| 05:48.07 | tank-man | ryoohki_, easy way is just to boot from the sd card |
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| 05:48.20 | ryoohki_ | KotCzarny: yup, i live in mountain view |
| 05:48.26 | KotCzarny | nice.. |
| 05:48.27 | ryoohki_ | KotCzarny: yup, i live in mountain view, california |
| 05:48.32 | KotCzarny | how fast it is? |
| 05:50.11 | ryoohki_ | tank-man: how about the hard way where i specifiy where i want the files to go, mmc1 or mmc2? |
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| 05:50.29 | ryoohki_ | it's rate limited to 1mbs but it's bit lower |
| 05:50.36 | tank-man | hard way is read the man page on apt-whatever |
| 05:50.43 | KotCzarny | ryoohki_: it won't work because you will have to setup paths etc. |
| 05:51.24 | ryoohki_ | tank-man: i'm familar with apt-get but it's a serious oversite not let people choose where to put the apps |
| 05:51.31 | KotCzarny | the easiest way would be to clone os to mmc and boot off it |
| 05:51.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:51.46 | ryoohki_ | oi! |
| 05:52.04 | tank-man | i browsed the man page for it and remember seeing you can set where to install stuff |
| 05:52.50 | ryoohki_ | tank-man: it says not enough room and to set a different location to install to without saying how to do that |
| 05:53.28 | tank-man | you are more familiar with apt=get than me |
| 05:53.32 | ryoohki_ | wget => 55,473,005 60.79K/s |
| 05:54.06 | ryoohki_ | 75,067,793 49.37K/s, and also, 24,645 26.57K/s |
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| 06:14.13 | Italodance | http://mosh.nokia.com/blocked |
| 06:14.14 | Italodance | lol |
| 06:14.20 | Italodance | ! >:( |
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| 06:39.26 | oilinki | well... at least it works with firefox.. :) |
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| 06:41.10 | Italodance | http://tabletblog.com/2008/03/another-video-converter-option-rockpod.html |
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| 06:45.33 | Italodance | here is it http://techlogg.com/rockpod/ :D |
| 06:46.20 | oilinki | btw. can you recommend an IRCNet server with free access? open.ircnet.net seems to be vanishedf from dns |
| 06:46.33 | KotCzarny | ircnet.choopa.com |
| 06:46.35 | KotCzarny | or .net |
| 06:46.47 | KotCzarny | i always forget |
| 06:47.04 | christefano | Italodance: what's mosh? |
| 06:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 |
| 06:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 06:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hadn't noticed Quim's comments there before. |
| 06:47.57 | Italodance | christefano it depends to maemo maps |
| 06:48.06 | oilinki | KotCzarny: thanks. I'll try that one |
| 06:49.00 | christefano | Italodance: maemo mapper or the default maps app? |
| 06:50.25 | Italodance | christefano maemo mapper |
| 06:50.48 | Italodance | christefano https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2443 |
| 06:52.40 | Italodance | i found it http://techlogg.com/rockpod/techlogg.com-rockpod08lite-build25-i386-win32.exe :D |
| 06:54.23 | christefano | thasks, Italodance. |
| 06:55.02 | Italodance | :D |
| 07:03.27 | oilinki | KotCzarny: irc.choopa.net:6667 worked out fine. thanks for info. |
| 07:03.33 | KotCzarny | np |
| 07:03.46 | KotCzarny | but it's probably another network |
| 07:03.51 | KotCzarny | you wanted ircnet |
| 07:03.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:04.28 | KotCzarny | yup, efnet |
| 07:04.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:07.26 | oilinki | I got my ircnet :) |
| 07:07.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:07.49 | amen1 | I compiled directfb for my n810, when I run the dfb example programs ,. the screen goes dark, why? |
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| 07:08.39 | ttmrichter | OK, what is the trick for actually getting the application manager to either a) stop saying that a given set of packages needs updating or b) actually update the god-damned packages?! |
| 07:09.20 | KotCzarny | a/ don't use app-manager |
| 07:09.24 | KotCzarny | b/ use apt-get install |
| 07:09.25 | ttmrichter | The packages in question -- makedev 2.3.1-73oss-4 and libglade2-0 1:2.6.2-1indt1 -- are both in the Maemo Chinook repository and yet I can't update them because they're missing. |
| 07:09.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:09.27 | amen1 | Anyone knows? |
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| 07:09.51 | ttmrichter | OK, so how do I use apt-get install when I can't get to root because I can't install software with <expletive deleted> app-manager? |
| 07:10.03 | KotCzarny | sudo |
| 07:10.15 | ttmrichter | I get applet errors whenever I try sudo. |
| 07:10.22 | KotCzarny | what errors? |
| 07:10.28 | KotCzarny | (pastebin.com) |
| 07:11.28 | ttmrichter | It just says "applet error". |
| 07:11.41 | ttmrichter | Typical UNIX fashion it provides no information. It is assumed the user knows what error they made. |
| 07:11.41 | KotCzarny | nothing else? |
| 07:11.45 | ttmrichter | Nothing else. |
| 07:11.53 | KotCzarny | strace ? |
| 07:12.07 | ttmrichter | strace being? |
| 07:12.25 | KotCzarny | sudo strace apt-get install something |
| 07:12.29 | KotCzarny | or strace sudo |
| 07:12.32 | KotCzarny | i don't remember |
| 07:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | What's the Application manager log say? :\ |
| 07:13.49 | ttmrichter | I'm trying to figure out when, precisely, I asked for a headache today. |
| 07:13.56 | ttmrichter | Now the root password isn't working. |
| 07:13.59 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:14.02 | KotCzarny | it's blank |
| 07:14.04 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 07:14.10 | ttmrichter | I'm really tempted to test the flight characteristics of my N800 today. |
| 07:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | Did the internal card get corrupted? |
| 07:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | What error does Application manager give. |
| 07:14.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody can help you if you don't give information. |
| 07:14.48 | Italodance | ttmrichter flight characteristics? what is it? |
| 07:14.53 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 07:15.19 | ttmrichter | Application manager says that it can't update the packages I named because they don't exist. |
| 07:15.24 | ttmrichter | That's it. |
| 07:15.28 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 07:15.41 | KotCzarny | try removing repos? |
| 07:15.43 | ttmrichter | If I give a blank password on sudo I get no behaviour at all. Just back to user prompt. |
| 07:15.47 | KotCzarny | and leaving only system ones |
| 07:15.52 | ttmrichter | I have removed all repos and installed only the Nokia ones. |
| 07:15.54 | ttmrichter | Same issue. |
| 07:15.54 | GeneralAntilles | user doesn't have a password |
| 07:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | and isn't in sudoers by default |
| 07:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | so you can't usod. |
| 07:16.16 | ttmrichter | OK, so back to the original question: how do I get access to apt-get if I can't get to root? |
| 07:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | Flash it to R&D mode. |
| 07:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | or install becomeroot |
| 07:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | or easyroot |
| 07:16.42 | ttmrichter | With a broken app manager? |
| 07:16.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | You said it was broken updating |
| 07:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | Can you install new stuff? |
| 07:17.22 | ttmrichter | I'll try, but the way this thing is going today I'm not going to be holding my breath, to put it mildly. |
| 07:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, nothing is unsolvable. |
| 07:17.42 | KotCzarny | 'sorry i can help, but i will forward you to another person that will ask the same set of questions' |
| 07:17.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:17.48 | KotCzarny | *can't |
| 07:17.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots of people use Application manager without trouble |
| 07:18.01 | ttmrichter | Oh, GOOD GOD! Now every category is prefixed with "". So it's ""utils and ""user and ""this and ""that. |
| 07:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | so obivously it's not an unfiable problem. |
| 07:18.10 | KotCzarny | matrix mode |
| 07:18.12 | KotCzarny | not a problem |
| 07:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | What were you screwing around with? :\ |
| 07:18.28 | ttmrichter | I reflashed. |
| 07:18.41 | KotCzarny | also called redpill mode |
| 07:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | What did you do to break Application manager? |
| 07:19.14 | ttmrichter | And app manager gives a tiny column for the application name and a huge column for the version. So I can read the version with plenty of whitespace and I can't read the application name at all. |
| 07:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | The only possible stumbling point with Application manager on a fresh install is a corrupt internal flash card. |
| 07:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | Fixed in SVN |
| 07:19.32 | KotCzarny | ttmrichter: known problem with an app-manager |
| 07:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | Should be updated with Diablo. |
| 07:19.54 | ttmrichter | So, back to the original question: how do I install apps with a broken app manager? |
| 07:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 07:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | Just reflash again. |
| 07:20.41 | KotCzarny | ttmrichter: you don't have ssh installed? |
| 07:20.47 | ttmrichter | When I go full-screen I can get enough to see much of the title. No gainroot package listed. |
| 07:20.52 | ttmrichter | What was the other one called? |
| 07:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | easyroot |
| 07:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | But neither of them are in Extras |
| 07:21.15 | ttmrichter | I think it's time for flight tests. |
| 07:21.16 | GeneralAntilles | So if you don't have those repositories in the catalog, then you wont see them. |
| 07:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just download the .deb |
| 07:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/easyroot_1.0-4_armel.deb |
| 07:21.47 | GeneralAntilles | Save the attitude for people who aren't trying to help you. :) |
| 07:21.55 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 07:21.56 | Italodance | easyroot is shit and disn't work |
| 07:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, that's straight up incorrect. |
| 07:22.06 | KotCzarny | and ga will install it for you |
| 07:22.10 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine. |
| 07:22.13 | KotCzarny | with his magic pass |
| 07:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | Better than becomeroot, even. |
| 07:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | YOU just don't know how to use it. |
| 07:22.34 | ttmrichter | Sorry about the attitude. Was just expecting to do other things on my day off, not wrestle with this crap. |
| 07:22.48 | ttmrichter | I'm just going to reflash. |
| 07:22.53 | GeneralAntilles | Good plan. |
| 07:22.53 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles can use it connect to internet with usb? |
| 07:22.54 | ttmrichter | See if any of this clears up. |
| 07:23.06 | ttmrichter | Specifically I'm going to tell it *NOT* to restore from backup when it reboots. |
| 07:23.09 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, that's not what easyroot does. |
| 07:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | Also a good plan. |
| 07:23.24 | KotCzarny | ttmrichter: your situation is similiar to locking yourself out of house with keys inside |
| 07:23.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | easyroot lets you get a rootshell without having to enable R&D mode. |
| 07:23.52 | KotCzarny | just don't forget to install ssh as the first thing |
| 07:24.00 | KotCzarny | that will save you from being helpless |
| 07:24.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:24.36 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles tell me exactly what can it do? |
| 07:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | I just did. |
| 07:25.23 | ttmrichter | I was planning to install ssh first-thing. |
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| 07:25.32 | ttmrichter | Things... interfered. |
| 07:25.48 | KotCzarny | murphy's law |
| 07:26.21 | KotCzarny | hmm, can you remove packages with app-manager? |
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| 07:27.19 | ttmrichter | I'll find out after the reflash. |
| 07:27.31 | KotCzarny | after reflash it doesn't matter |
| 07:27.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:27.40 | KotCzarny | as it will be working i guess |
| 07:27.48 | ttmrichter | It didn't the first time.... |
| 07:28.02 | ttmrichter | Of course I foolishly thought restoring from backup was OK. |
| 07:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing that can go wrong with Application manager on a completely fresh install is the internal flash card being corrupt. |
| 07:28.12 | ttmrichter | I'm beginning to think this was a mistake. ;) |
| 07:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | Restoring from backup restores all of the settings you broke last time around. |
| 07:28.42 | ttmrichter | The setting I broke last time around was a screwup in /etc/rc2.d |
| 07:28.48 | ttmrichter | That wasn't backed up. |
| 07:28.50 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 07:29.02 | KotCzarny | how could you screw up /etc without root access? |
| 07:29.10 | ttmrichter | I *HAD* root access in the past. |
| 07:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | It was. |
| 07:29.18 | ttmrichter | Just after reflashing it was gone. |
| 07:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | Through what method? |
| 07:29.45 | ttmrichter | Reflashing? ./flasher-3.0 -F <file> -R -f |
| 07:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | No, root access. |
| 07:30.29 | KotCzarny | ttmrichter: backup only restores some user settings, not system scripts |
| 07:30.35 | KotCzarny | just for info |
| 07:30.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:30.56 | ttmrichter | I think I used gainroot way back when. |
| 07:31.07 | GeneralAntilles | That would be why you didn't have root access after the reflash. |
| 07:31.10 | ttmrichter | Then used SSH to log in and changed passwords around. |
| 07:31.16 | GeneralAntilles | Installed applications aren't backed up. |
| 07:31.39 | ttmrichter | And KotCzarny, I was COUNTING on it not restoring system scripts. Otherwise I'd never be able to boot. ;) |
| 07:31.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:31.53 | ttmrichter | Having a script in rc2.d hang turns out to be really bad for the boot process. |
| 07:32.11 | KotCzarny | boot loop? |
| 07:32.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:32.49 | ttmrichter | Well, it was a network script that was running before, of course, there was a network to connect to. And the script, upon failure, tried again. And again. And again. |
| 07:32.58 | KotCzarny | yeah.. |
| 07:33.01 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.15 | KotCzarny | before i added nosshfs to mount -a in slackware |
| 07:33.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:33.52 | KotCzarny | anyway, reflash i relatively painless |
| 07:33.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:34.27 | KotCzarny | at least that part you can't break |
| 07:34.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:35.34 | ttmrichter | Trust me. I'm the kind of guy that'll find a way to break the unbreakable. |
| 07:35.40 | KotCzarny | no no |
| 07:35.48 | KotCzarny | i don't say it's unbreakable |
| 07:36.00 | KotCzarny | there's always a hammer |
| 07:36.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:36.17 | KotCzarny | only that reflashing is 99.9% safe |
| 07:36.41 | ttmrichter | I'm the .01. |
| 07:36.47 | ttmrichter | .1, even. |
| 07:37.02 | KotCzarny | only if you actively pursue it |
| 07:37.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:37.17 | ttmrichter | Like flight lessons? :) |
| 07:37.33 | KotCzarny | yeah, send it flying to my appartment |
| 07:37.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:37.48 | KotCzarny | i would gladly take care of poor thingie |
| 07:37.49 | KotCzarny | (: |
| 07:38.11 | KotCzarny | i'll feed with with juicy volts and yummy amps |
| 07:38.20 | ttmrichter | I'm not sure I can throw over the Pacific (or over continental Asia depending on where you live). |
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| 07:38.45 | KotCzarny | let other people help you |
| 07:38.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:38.56 | ttmrichter | Well, let's see what a clean install with no backups does for app manager. |
| 07:39.12 | Italodance | maemo-mapper can recieve gps with bluetooth? |
| 07:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | That's kinda the whole point, Italodance. |
| 07:41.51 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles ok....it saw the link openstreetmap.com for my first use on maemo mapper |
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| 08:10.04 | AStorm | hello |
| 08:10.18 | AStorm | where can I get osso-pdf-reader back from? |
| 08:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | Mount the rootfs and extract it from there. |
| 08:14.58 | AStorm | hmm |
| 08:15.13 | AStorm | note "back" |
| 08:15.34 | AStorm | so, I have to mount the real image on my pc |
| 08:15.41 | AStorm | or what? |
| 08:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | Download the FIASCO image |
| 08:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | unpack it |
| 08:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | mount the rootfs. |
| 08:22.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:22.10 | KotCzarny | isn't it osso-pdf-viewer ? |
| 08:23.55 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/osso-pdf-viewer_1.4.41-0.tar.gz |
| 08:24.51 | KotCzarny | but you will have to compile it yourself :) |
| 08:27.31 | Italodance | problem...my FBReader can read my e-books on my mmc2 and totally it can't find my mmc2 why? |
| 08:29.35 | KotCzarny | ok, bedtime, night ppl |
| 08:30.50 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:31.57 | Italodance | hi Jaffa |
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| 08:36.12 | AStorm | KotCzarny: once my dev image works |
| 08:36.25 | AStorm | vmware hates me for some reason |
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| 08:37.05 | AStorm | and scratchbox directly doesn't worj either |
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| 08:37.35 | Italodance | can someone reply me? |
| 08:38.11 | AStorm | idk anything about fbreader |
| 08:38.55 | Italodance | yes |
| 08:39.01 | Italodance | my FBReader can't read my e-books on my mmc2 and totally it can't find my mmc2 why? |
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| 08:48.14 | AStorm | ok, so once I have the rootfs, what should I run? |
| 08:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | You have to mount the jffs2 image. |
| 08:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | Setup a loopback blah blah blah |
| 08:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | There's a guide on google. |
| 08:49.37 | AStorm | that I know |
| 08:49.42 | AStorm | what then? |
| 08:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | Once you've mounted it, then pull the pdf reader from wherever it is on there and move it to the tablet. |
| 08:50.24 | AStorm | nah |
| 08:50.39 | AStorm | that'll break the package system |
| 08:50.46 | AStorm | I have to grab the deb |
| 08:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | There is no deb. |
| 08:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | You could repackage it I suppose. |
| 08:51.44 | AStorm | why nokia didn't provide a deb for their own package? |
| 08:52.01 | AStorm | they thought no one would uninstall it? |
| 08:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's a bundled application |
| 08:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | They don't provide debs for bundled applications. |
| 08:52.39 | AStorm | yeah yeah |
| 08:52.44 | AStorm | why? |
| 08:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's not uninstallable with Application manager. |
| 08:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | You've hit an edge-case, congratulations. :\ |
| 08:53.08 | AStorm | it is, redpill |
| 08:53.09 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Redpill doesn't count. |
| 08:53.35 | AStorm | now, the problem is evince fails on huge documents |
| 08:53.56 | AStorm | gets outofmemory and reboots the device |
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| 08:55.17 | AStorm | someone forgot that large documents can't be cached wholly in ram |
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| 08:56.48 | wom- | hmm, fbreader and screen rotate. that could make nice pair :) |
| 08:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | Or assumed they wouldn't be working with a 128MB device. :P |
| 08:57.17 | GeneralAntilles | wom-, FBReader already rotates without hacks. |
| 08:57.28 | wom- | GeneralAntilles: oh it does.. even better |
| 08:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | You can even setup the hotkeys based on orientation. |
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| 09:00.47 | Kekerot | can anyone help me install basilisk? :X |
| 09:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | There's a complete guide on ITT. |
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| 09:03.25 | Kekerot | i extracted it all and everything but I dont know where actual files are |
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| 09:09.20 | AStorm | hmm, I still need a working dhclient |
| 09:09.37 | AStorm | KotCzarny: your dhcp package only has the server |
| 09:09.42 | Kekerot | i think basilisk is installed now but where the heck does maemo put the files |
| 09:10.00 | AStorm | and pump fail miserably |
| 09:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's a tarball, isn't it? |
| 09:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | If so, then maemo isn't involved. |
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| 09:12.56 | Kekerot | oh i see |
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| 09:20.12 | Kekerot | look like it broke at this part mv BasiliskII /user/home |
| 09:26.16 | pupnik | lmao @ the old guy at 8:39 in part 3 of the CIA in tibet |
| 09:26.26 | pupnik | oop wrong chan |
| 09:26.46 | Lynoure | got us curious, though |
| 09:27.35 | keesj | indeed |
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| 09:40.03 | AStorm | hmm |
| 09:40.20 | AStorm | pump doesn't work for some reason |
| 09:40.41 | AStorm | even though the interface is statically configured |
| 09:40.48 | AStorm | something is missing |
| 09:40.57 | AStorm | brb |
| 09:41.06 | Kekerot | anyone know why mv BasiliskII /user/home wont work? the BasiliskII binary is in the directory but it says "No such file or directory" |
| 09:42.55 | X-Fade | Kekerot: Because that dir doesn't exist? :) |
| 09:43.04 | X-Fade | Kekerot: /home/user perhaps? |
| 09:43.13 | Kekerot | but that directory does exist |
| 09:43.23 | Kekerot | i can see it and i did ls -l and saw the stuff in it |
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| 10:01.40 | AStorm | hmm |
| 10:01.56 | AStorm | nokia is doing something funny on connect |
| 10:02.18 | AStorm | something with dbus I can't get |
| 10:03.08 | jani | anyone knows about tap-and-hold animation for gtk widgets ? |
| 10:03.48 | AStorm | I see dbus messages flying, like a com.nokia.icd proxies member being set |
| 10:04.39 | AStorm | ufortunately, I can only see dbus broadcasts |
| 10:05.03 | AStorm | I need some debug version of it to get what happens on wlan connection |
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| 10:13.20 | AStorm | I'll have to peruse a mailing list |
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| 11:32.12 | error_developer_ | hey, |
| 11:32.44 | error_developer_ | has anyone got a working usb OTG plugin package? |
| 11:33.04 | error_developer_ | i did try the one from the garage .. |
| 11:33.08 | error_developer_ | that crashed |
| 11:33.26 | error_developer_ | and didn't actually have the module itself :( |
| 11:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | OTG or host-mode? |
| 11:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | OTG is done in hardware. |
| 11:33.39 | error_developer_ | hm .. |
| 11:34.00 | error_developer_ | i read about g_ether before .. |
| 11:34.03 | error_developer_ | right .. |
| 11:34.22 | error_developer_ | so have to somehow debug that |
| 11:34.28 | error_developer_ | right .. |
| 11:34.56 | error_developer_ | GeneralAntilles: what actually this OTG stands for ..? |
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| 11:37.01 | kulve | on-the-go |
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| 11:43.48 | error_developer_ | right .. |
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| 11:44.22 | error_developer_ | so meant to work very easy .. |
| 11:44.48 | error_developer_ | is it quick to get the other side to work |
| 11:44.50 | error_developer_ | ? |
| 11:45.29 | error_developer_ | i'm doing this rmotely, and the trfic if quite bad :( |
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| 11:55.11 | b0unc3 | what happens to maemo.org?... I get a lot of errors... |
| 11:56.04 | kulve | it seems to be broken once again |
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| 11:56.14 | X-Fade | b0unc3: Looking into it already.. |
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| 11:57.21 | b0unc3 | ok... |
| 12:01.20 | aquatix | X-Fade: what framework does maemo.org use? and what is midcom? :) |
| 12:01.42 | X-Fade | aquatix: Midgard. |
| 12:01.50 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 12:05.21 | X-Fade | b0unc3: Do you still see them? |
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| 12:08.49 | woodong50 | hi |
| 12:09.39 | woodong50 | where is utorrent of maemo? |
| 12:10.20 | Italodance | woodong50 utorrent |
| 12:10.21 | Italodance | no |
| 12:10.37 | Italodance | we have aria2 and ctorrent |
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| 12:11.17 | woodong50 | is it impossible to install utorrent on n800? |
| 12:11.39 | Italodance | woodong50 i don't think...u can use ctorrent? |
| 12:11.41 | woodong50 | ctorrent? |
| 12:11.48 | woodong50 | ok |
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| 12:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | woodong50, did you see Transmission? |
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| 12:17.13 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles i saw ur pic :D |
| 12:18.43 | woodong50 | where is ctorrent install file |
| 12:21.39 | Italodance | woodong50 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-torrent |
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| 12:24.11 | tbf | bah... really sucks for profiling, that all the maemo stuff is compiled with -fomit-frame-pointers |
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| 12:38.07 | Khertan | tbf > haha ! |
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| 12:39.35 | aquatix | it vomits on pointers? ;) |
| 12:39.47 | aquatix | can't really argue with that |
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| 12:49.30 | SDuensin | Greetings. |
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| 13:24.25 | WorkingOnWise | First problem: I haveI been beating my head on the wall all morning wondering y the simplified clone process is so complicated. The nupgrade.sh script says it cant find mbcache.ko. The script looks for it in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1 the /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/ 'uname -r' . I can clearly see mbcache.ko is in mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1. I am using sudo gainroot. Why cant the script see the module? |
| 13:25.15 | WorkingOnWise | uname -r does output 2.6.21-omap1 |
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| 13:27.19 | johnx | you sure it isn't using the old kernel name somewhere else? |
| 13:27.29 | johnx | has no real idea... |
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| 13:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | That seems likely, johnx. |
| 13:28.56 | WorkingOnWise | I'm just following the script logic, and the first ting it does is sets the dir for the modules. |
| 13:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | I ran into that following a tutorial, anyway. |
| 13:29.38 | WorkingOnWise | I'nn edit the script to only look at the correct path and see. |
| 13:29.44 | WorkingOnWise | I'll |
| 13:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | didn't have any trouble when he used the script. |
| 13:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | But I suppose I'd already loaded the modules when I got to that point. |
| 13:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | There may be other issues involved, though, as I don't recall anybody else complaining about that issue with the scripts. |
| 13:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | s/scripts/script/ |
| 13:32.43 | WorkingOnWise | that brings up problem 2: The location for modules is readonly so I cant copy more modules into that dir. There are already modules for ext2, ext3, so this isn't a show stopper atm. |
| 13:33.21 | johnx | even better than readonly (which can be changed), it's also almost completely full |
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| 13:33.39 | johnx | The problems are worse than you think! yay! |
| 13:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray, embedded! |
| 13:34.25 | WorkingOnWise | so how do u get additionaf file system support? |
| 13:34.45 | johnx | you put the modules somewhere else and deal with loading them somehow |
| 13:35.26 | johnx | I think the standard practice is to create a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ and ln -s the included modules into place, then cp your own custom stuff in there as well |
| 13:35.35 | WorkingOnWise | or jump that hurdle after i have cloned onto my roomy 8gb sd, right? |
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| 13:40.40 | trickie | one way i experimented with my own additional modules is to load them via a intit.d script, although that requires kernel support for your rootfs built in or as modules the initfs |
| 13:41.37 | trickie | or you could make your own initfs, and remove the modules there you do not need and then add your own modules to /lib/modules... |
| 13:41.49 | trickie | and then load the original modules from your rootfs |
| 13:42.38 | trickie | kernel support for your rootfs's filesystem i meant |
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| 13:49.56 | WorkingOnWise | I haveI been beating my head on the wall all morning wondering y the simplified clone process is so complicated. The nupgrade.sh script says it cant find mbcache.ko. The script looks for it in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap, and I can clearly see mbcache.ko is in that dir. I am using sudo gainroot. Why cant the script see the module? |
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| 13:53.09 | trickie | WorkingOnWise: whats the nupgrade.sh from? |
| 13:53.43 | trickie | s/whats/where's/ |
| 13:54.21 | WorkingOnWise | it's part of the directions to clone the OS to an sd card on the forum at ITT |
| 13:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | Woo spam. |
| 13:54.41 | WorkingOnWise | infobot: your an idiot |
| 13:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's a bot. |
| 13:55.03 | WorkingOnWise | yeah |
| 13:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | trickie, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 |
| 13:55.42 | WorkingOnWise | thanks GeneralAntilles. thats what I'm working from trickie |
| 13:55.51 | trickie | oki, ill check it out |
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| 13:56.54 | trickie | WorkingOnWise: and it dies on './nupgrade.sh 3' ? |
| 13:57.25 | WorkingOnWise | nope. ./nupgrade.sh 0 |
| 13:59.46 | trickie | hmm strange |
| 13:59.53 | WorkingOnWise | I'm gonna flash back to the base OS2008 and start from the beginning. If the simplified steps there don't work then, you can have a nice N800 if u can catch it as it zings past City Hall. |
| 14:00.36 | trickie | WorkingOnWise: can add 'echo $BINDIR' to line 42 |
| 14:00.51 | trickie | and see what it thinks is the path |
| 14:01.16 | WorkingOnWise | ok. I'll try that first. |
| 14:01.51 | aquatix | WorkingOnWise: zing it my way ;) |
| 14:01.59 | WorkingOnWise | lol |
| 14:02.14 | jott | why fight with a script if manual cloning is straight forward? :) |
| 14:02.15 | aquatix | forgot his n810 at home :( |
| 14:03.22 | jott | this script even copied the stupid mountpoints from the wiki :O |
| 14:03.41 | trickie | WorkingOnWise: have you tried the manual way? its even easier |
| 14:03.49 | johnx | they're magic mount points :P |
| 14:04.01 | WorkingOnWise | because I aint wrappin my head around the whole depmod not working right, and cant figure out how to get ext3 support manually.... |
| 14:04.30 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, insmod jbd.ko ; insmod mbcache.ko ; insmod ext3.ko ; echo success! |
| 14:04.58 | WorkingOnWise | I have been lullid by the word simplified! The only thing that has been simple in the init thingy...I have a boot menu now... |
| 14:05.00 | jott | easy way: copy all modules from initfs to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ and run depmod :) |
| 14:05.45 | WorkingOnWise | johnx: do those insmod commands need to be run every time, or are they "sticky"? |
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| 14:06.23 | johnx | eh? fanoush's bootmenu takes care of loading the right things for booting to sd card |
| 14:06.25 | jott | you just need the modules loaded for the cloning - once you boot from ext3, initfs handles the loading |
| 14:06.31 | johnx | just look at bootmenu.conf |
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| 14:07.10 | johnx | you've probably spent way more effort trying to troubleshoot what this script is doing rather than just do it the "long way" in the first place... |
| 14:07.29 | jott | long aka ~3-5 commands :) |
| 14:08.07 | cyberholic | Hi everyone, just in case the one or another of you uses my Mojocafe project on his/her device: the website-domain has changed! The website can now be reached through www.mojocafe.net and the blog through www.mojocafe.net/blog ..... |
| 14:08.34 | jott | cyberholic: going international, eh? :) |
| 14:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | All the tutorials out there suck. |
| 14:08.42 | Lynoure | hmm, never ever heard of mojocafe... |
| 14:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | You guys should take pity on the poor people and write up a guide that doesn't suck. :P |
| 14:09.09 | Lynoure | Is that just spam, or something clickworth? |
| 14:09.13 | cyberholic | Lynoure: have put it nearly everywhere so that people can test it out on their devices :) |
| 14:09.14 | WorkingOnWise | ohhhhhhhhh.....Now I get it!!!!! I have been thinking that the modules need to be loaded, no that the boot menu would do it for me....I thought that if I did the insmod thing, i can see the ext3 partition but then on reboot there'd be no ext3 module loading so I would still have no acces to the ext3 partition I just cloned.... |
| 14:09.24 | johnx | Lynoure, it's legitimate. :) |
| 14:09.28 | aquatix | cyberholic: wow, spiffy site :) |
| 14:09.30 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you found the problem, that makes it yours. :P |
| 14:09.36 | aquatix | now to find out what mojocafe is |
| 14:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | I found nothing! |
| 14:09.48 | cyberholic | Lynoure: no spam as long you do not want to pimp up your device *gg* |
| 14:09.56 | cyberholic | aquatix: thanks! |
| 14:10.07 | cyberholic | aquatix: wait!..... what does spiffy mean? lol. |
| 14:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | furiously downgrades the severity of a bunch of bugzilla bugs to look busy. |
| 14:10.09 | johnx | s/found/complained about/ |
| 14:10.14 | aquatix | cyberholic: shiny ;) |
| 14:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | You two are the ones complaining about stupid mount points. :P |
| 14:10.35 | cyberholic | aquatix thanks a lot! *feeling a bit ashamed* |
| 14:10.48 | aquatix | ah, flash... meh :P |
| 14:10.57 | cyberholic | but well, shiny in these days does not automaticly mean that it is cool :) |
| 14:11.01 | aquatix | indeed |
| 14:11.04 | aquatix | browsing now |
| 14:11.12 | aquatix | looks interesting though |
| 14:11.31 | cyberholic | in case you wanna see how it works on your device: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4254502208055432294&hl=en |
| 14:11.39 | cyberholic | *i assume you have a n800 or n810* :) |
| 14:11.42 | Lynoure | cyberholic: oh, it's your site? |
| 14:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | cyberholic, where's my magazine? :P |
| 14:11.50 | cyberholic | yep |
| 14:12.08 | cyberholic | i am a webdesigner... well, at least i try to be one :) |
| 14:12.10 | aquatix | it might help to create an `about' page with wtf mojocafe is :) |
| 14:12.19 | aquatix | seems like some applets |
| 14:12.20 | cyberholic | General: you mean Atarashi? |
| 14:12.38 | Lynoure | cyberholic: some feedback: do explain somewhere what these mojos are... now there is very little info other than screenshots |
| 14:12.41 | GeneralAntilles | Whatever it was called. |
| 14:13.42 | cyberholic | yeah, you both are correct - i am working on an "about page". And a gallery to post the photos of the blog showing my device glancing up my flat :) |
| 14:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | Aha, I see it. |
| 14:14.12 | aquatix | Lynoure: yeah, some About page would be nice |
| 14:14.28 | aquatix | cyberholic: ah, online applets |
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| 14:15.31 | cyberholic | aquatix: correct. At least the newsfeeds and the webcam applets can be called online ones - the clocks arent realy :) |
| 14:17.07 | cyberholic | I made an applet called "Webcam Traveller". It randomly switches between two dozens of webcams. It makes me mad to look outside the window and see snow, while looking on my device shows the Virgin Islands with 30 degrees celsius :( |
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| 14:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 14:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | wants some snow. |
| 14:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | had the AC running last week. |
| 14:17.42 | cyberholic | really? |
| 14:17.56 | cyberholic | WHAT? how many degreees you have where oyu live? |
| 14:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | Highs are in the mid-80s |
| 14:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | °F |
| 14:18.28 | cyberholic | geeeeesus |
| 14:18.48 | trickie | GeneralAntilles: id be more than happy to swap you |
| 14:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 14:19.09 | cyberholic | trickie: ill come witcha :) |
| 14:19.25 | solmumaha | i got snow last night, around 30 cm. not too happy about it |
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| 14:19.37 | cyberholic | i HATE snow |
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| 14:19.47 | trickie | beats rain |
| 14:19.50 | solmumaha | spent an hour getting car unstuck |
| 14:20.04 | cyberholic | sol: have you tried dynamite? |
| 14:20.39 | johnx | not a big fan of lots of snow all winter long, but driving in snow once in a while is fun :D |
| 14:21.24 | solmumaha | i like snow but not when you get that much at once |
| 14:21.40 | johnx | that's understandable |
| 14:22.48 | aquatix | i love snow |
| 14:22.56 | aquatix | but it doesn't stay put nowadays here |
| 14:22.57 | trickie | still beats raining all the time |
| 14:23.00 | solmumaha | it didn't snow that much, but after several months you end up with pretty deep corridors. heavy wind filled them |
| 14:23.14 | aquatix | http://aquariusoft.org/photolog/ |
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| 14:23.22 | aquatix | we had some snow last week though |
| 14:23.26 | aquatix | this week even |
| 14:24.02 | aquatix | solmumaha: where do you live? |
| 14:24.10 | solmumaha | in finland |
| 14:24.13 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 14:24.21 | cyberholic | aquatix: the toothbrush photo is AWESOME! |
| 14:24.41 | aquatix | cyberholic: ha, thanks :) |
| 14:24.59 | aquatix | i should take more pics |
| 14:25.08 | aquatix | but i'm swamped :( |
| 14:25.51 | trickie | aquatix: you in NL? |
| 14:26.28 | johnx | should get a better camera |
| 14:26.37 | inz | solmumaha, I have the same situation, all the plowed areas are ful of snow -- and I have fever and thus no energy to clean it up |
| 14:27.10 | X-Fade | trickie: "Stadsschouwburg Velsen" should give you a clue ;) |
| 14:27.19 | trickie | :) |
| 14:27.40 | johnx | living in an apartment means that other people get to deal with snow :P |
| 14:28.16 | solmumaha | inz: luckily i have a snow blower, but someone stole my gasoline canister |
| 14:28.42 | aquatix | trickie: yeah |
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| 14:29.15 | trickie | X-Fade: well actually the most recent photos made me ask, as the houses/apartements look dutch and the amount of snow looked familiar |
| 14:29.24 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:29.41 | aquatix | trickie: houses all look the same nowadays |
| 14:29.54 | X-Fade | trickie: Yeah, me too. |
| 14:30.00 | aquatix | you can see in what year the neighbourhood is build |
| 14:30.25 | trickie | for sure |
| 14:30.52 | aquatix | oh well, i'm happy with my maissonette anyway ;) |
| 14:32.13 | trickie | he he |
| 14:32.13 | cyberholic | ok guys, i have to go back to work. in case you have a wish for a special Mojo in mojocafe contact me! See ya later my friends ... oh... THE SUN! the sun is coming out! i have to go now! |
| 14:32.33 | aquatix | noooes! the sun is coming! |
| 14:32.36 | aquatix | hides |
| 14:32.45 | cyberholic | looool |
| 14:33.05 | cyberholic | byebye |
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| 14:39.12 | MangoFusion | darn, wish i was good at soldering. two of the switches in my nokia phone have... err... fallen off |
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| 14:40.43 | aquatix | MangoFusion: right ;) |
| 14:40.48 | aquatix | electronics murderer! |
| 14:41.55 | MangoFusion | wonder if i can get it fixed through warranty |
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| 14:42.27 | MangoFusion | though then again i dropped the phone and it went bouncy bounce, so maybe not |
| 14:44.06 | aquatix | don't tell them you dropped it |
| 14:44.09 | aquatix | and try |
| 14:49.24 | errordeveloper | right .. |
| 14:49.47 | errordeveloper | i'm still trying to get the otg-usb plugin to work .. |
| 14:50.21 | errordeveloper | i don't get ifconfig showing anything like usb0 |
| 14:50.31 | errordeveloper | is it just like that ? |
| 14:51.14 | errordeveloper | and it actully freezes :( |
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| 14:54.11 | MangoFusion | could do that i guess |
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| 14:57.05 | WorkingOnWise | are the maemo repos slow as molasas in March, or it the N800 download mechanism slow as molasas in March? |
| 14:57.31 | WorkingOnWise | wrong forum for that type of ?? sorry |
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| 15:05.04 | WorkingOnWise | wait..no it isn't. What was I thinking. Are the repos and download section of the maemo site down? cant get to either one on my tablet |
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| 15:05.42 | aquatix | maemo.org had some problems |
| 15:05.52 | aquatix | not sure whether the repositories are affected |
| 15:07.10 | WorkingOnWise | now it's working...grrrr. |
| 15:07.16 | aquatix | voodoo |
| 15:07.44 | johnx | aren't the repos served out of akamai's cache? |
| 15:08.01 | johnx | s/repos/maemo.org repos/ |
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| 15:08.17 | WorkingOnWise | threat of throwing everything with a cpu into the wood stove did it! |
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| 15:12.35 | aquatix | WorkingOnWise: threatening with a hammer works too |
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| 16:01.40 | ertwroc | hi |
| 16:02.41 | ertwroc | why when I type in scratbox pkg-config --libs dbus-1 I get "No package 'dbus-1' found? |
| 16:04.02 | johnx | I don't know |
| 16:04.06 | johnx | it "works for me" |
| 16:04.16 | ertwroc | hmm |
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| 16:06.46 | ertwroc | ok, now it works :) |
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| 16:08.48 | ertwroc | but I get error: /usr/include/dbus-1.0/sbus/dbus.h:30:2 #error "Please define DBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE (...) hmm what's going on? For pc I compiled it without problem |
| 16:09.31 | kulve | new dbusses doesn't require that anymore |
| 16:09.40 | kulve | I don't know what is "new" in this case.. |
| 16:10.20 | ertwroc | can I do anything? |
| 16:11.15 | kulve | "#define DBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE" before the include |
| 16:11.44 | kulve | it was meant to say to the developers that the API wasn't stable yet |
| 16:14.00 | ertwroc | thanks a lot |
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| 16:45.59 | cbx33 | hey guys |
| 16:46.11 | cbx33 | is there a good podcast downloader for the n800, like gpodder |
| 16:46.21 | qwerty12 | gpodder exists for N800 :p |
| 16:46.24 | cbx33 | oooooooh |
| 16:46.27 | cbx33 | from where? |
| 16:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | Or use Canola |
| 16:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=gpodder+maemo |
| 16:46.54 | qwerty12 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gpodder/ |
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| 16:47.21 | oilinki | canola can not do automatic fetching? |
| 16:48.01 | oilinki | or is there some setting where I can define, check the feeds every 1 hour? |
| 16:48.13 | cbx33 | qwerty12, where do I get gpodder from? |
| 16:48.26 | qwerty12 | I & General just posted links. |
| 16:48.31 | cbx33 | oh |
| 16:48.32 | cbx33 | sorry |
| 16:48.35 | cbx33 | not paying attention |
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| 16:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | Not at the moment, cbx33, but it's on the roadmap. |
| 16:49.33 | cbx33 | eh? |
| 16:49.48 | cbx33 | GeneralAntilles, what did you mean |
| 16:49.54 | qwerty12 | I think he meant oilinki |
| 16:50.09 | cbx33 | ahhh |
| 16:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | Canola will do automatic fetching at some point. |
| 16:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, it may do it now in the latest beta |
| 16:50.15 | cbx33 | is again not paying attention |
| 16:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't checked |
| 16:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | But podcasts did get a big overhaul. |
| 16:51.18 | oilinki | GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks. I'll keep on using it. |
| 16:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't use podcasts except on roadtrips. |
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| 16:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | s/messed up grammar/correct grammar/ |
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| 16:55.46 | oilinki | http://oil.iki.fi/n800/screenshots/n800-with-vodafone-3g-logo.png |
| 16:55.50 | oilinki | oh.. ups. |
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| 16:56.13 | qwerty12 | Lol, what is the point of that :P? |
| 16:56.32 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, qwerty12, I just realized there were two different people there. |
| 16:56.39 | GeneralAntilles | Colloquy sucks at picking nick colors. :\ |
| 16:57.23 | GeneralAntilles | I was wondering what an "oilinki" was and why I would mean it. :D |
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| 16:57.32 | qwerty12 | Lol, are they same colour? (the names) |
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| 16:57.41 | qwerty12 | Lol :D |
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| 16:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Names of similar length have the unfortunate tendency of frequently being the same color. |
| 16:58.14 | GeneralAntilles | I could make the hash suck less, but I'm way too lazy. |
| 16:58.25 | oilinki | I'm wondering if there will be any april fools joke on maemo.org ;) |
| 16:59.00 | Daviey | Hi, i can't see how to plan a route with maemo-mapper |
| 16:59.20 | GeneralAntilles | Daviey, use the built-in help |
| 16:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's REALLY good. |
| 16:59.24 | Daviey | using the latest version, but i can't find the "Location" submenu under context, any ideas? |
| 16:59.31 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Eek, I'm using X-Chat. I find its assortment of colours odd :P but I guess it works. |
| 16:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | gnuite also has it online for easier perusal. |
| 16:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | Xchat is better at hashing. |
| 16:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | I wish there were a client with enough colors for everybody to actually be unique. |
| 17:00.02 | Daviey | Yeah, following that - but the "Location" menu under context doesn't seem to be there :/ |
| 17:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | qverty12, you can change the colors in prefs. |
| 17:00.17 | qwerty12 | Ah ok, thanks :) |
| 17:00.27 | Daviey | irssi supports multiple colours :) |
| 17:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | irssi doesn't really scale well to my use. |
| 17:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | and a screen session really wouldn't provide much benefit for my use. |
| 17:01.03 | qwerty12 | I tried irssi on N800, I'll admit, not exactly a computer but I wasn't really impressed. |
| 17:01.16 | Daviey | GeneralAntilles: i use it for over 240 channels, WFM |
| 17:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | Daviey, I'm not saying that it's not awesome, or that it doesn't scale well |
| 17:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | it just doesn't scale well for ME. |
| 17:02.37 | Daviey | fair enough |
| 17:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | For as long as IRC has been around, it's surprising how bad most of the clients are. |
| 17:04.31 | lcdd | it's hard to imagine any console program being very usable on the tablets |
| 17:06.26 | derf | What's really astounding is how bad console clients were _before_ irssi. |
| 17:06.38 | derf | "Let's just dump all of the text from all of the channels in the same window." |
| 17:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 17:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Too true, derf. |
| 17:07.36 | oilinki | derf: I used to use ircII until last year.. good enough |
| 17:07.46 | MangoFusion | wish someone ported MS Comic Chat over to the NIT |
| 17:07.52 | MangoFusion | that would be a cool irc client ;) |
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| 17:08.02 | Lynoure | It's the combination of irc and ADD like need to follow every channel every moment that makes it hard. Things work quite sweet with most clients with 5 or so channels :) |
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| 17:08.57 | oilinki | ok. what would be a good and open server/clients for chat like irc? |
| 17:09.14 | Lynoure | unfortunately I tend to have about 30 channels or querys, on average. Not much more useful than the five most relevant, really. |
| 17:09.21 | oilinki | which would have clients for mobile phones, windows, linux, mac etc? |
| 17:09.40 | GeneralAntilles | xchat and irssi are the most ubiquitous. |
| 17:10.12 | oilinki | and which protocol? sip ja jabber? |
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| 17:10.56 | Lynoure | oilinki: unless you are in the position to move whole groups, I'd stick to irc :) |
| 17:11.39 | oilinki | Lynoure: heh. well. I'm thinking how to get the irc-style chats for common usage |
| 17:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | "common usage"? |
| 17:12.39 | oilinki | GeneralAntilles: make it popular. there are some web-based chat's on the web pages, but I have not seen any good ones |
| 17:12.48 | GeneralAntilles | pjirc is OK |
| 17:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | There's no need to change the protocol to make it popular. |
| 17:13.27 | GeneralAntilles | The clients tend to be more of a problem |
| 17:13.28 | Lynoure | oilinki: it's already a lot more popular than it was in 1991... |
| 17:13.30 | GeneralAntilles | plus the exposure. |
| 17:13.31 | oilinki | pjirc looks good on the mobile phone? |
| 17:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | Really, I feel no need to make IRC any more popular than it is. |
| 17:14.00 | oilinki | I mean, it should be something that the common users would like adapt to |
| 17:14.05 | GeneralAntilles | Just look at what happened when Ubuntu got popular. :P |
| 17:14.07 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: servers too... I don't think the protocol can stand a network being very popular... gets heavy during splits |
| 17:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | (or the NITs <_<) |
| 17:14.28 | oilinki | Lynoure: yes. and more popular than it was in 1990 too :) |
| 17:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Do you REALLY want to attract the AOL chatroom types to IRC? :P |
| 17:15.36 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: looked at some distro's offtopic channels? =) |
| 17:15.38 | oilinki | ok what about separate servers? no interconnection to any other network. just for let's say hobbyists/ |
| 17:15.47 | Lynoure | or some of the freenode social channels |
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| 17:16.19 | oilinki | GeneralAntilles: I have no idea who are on AOL chatrooms, but I guess I can be happy about it :) |
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| 17:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | was an AOL user in the early-mid 90s. |
| 17:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | shudders. |
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| 17:17.45 | qwerty12 | I really hate AOL, I'm not sure how it differs in the USA but I really hate the AOL software etc |
| 17:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's only gotten worse with each version increment. |
| 17:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | 1.0-4.0 weren't THAT bad. |
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| 17:18.35 | Lynoure | I've only touched AOL software once, for testing |
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| 17:21.58 | oilinki | seems like AOL is the irc's counterpart for hitler-card :) |
| 17:22.10 | oilinki | all the talk stops |
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| 17:23.15 | oilinki | still going back to the server/client solution for a chat. do you see that sip or jabber would be better than irc in the future? |
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| 17:25.05 | Lynoure | better in some specific way? |
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| 17:25.22 | snake_mountain | Greetings from mars. Anyone here have ogg support working? |
| 17:25.34 | kulve | o/ |
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| 17:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, the protocol wont really change things. |
| 17:26.42 | oilinki | Lynoure: as the client availability for masses, automatic configuration etc. |
| 17:27.08 | kulve | I'm using silc nowadays in place of irc |
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| 17:28.14 | Lynoure | oilinki: irc clients have already gotten pretty good... I suppose jabber clients will get better also with time |
| 17:30.38 | oilinki | well, I guess irc could do. which clients are easy to configure for windows or s60? |
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| 17:30.57 | oilinki | s60 ota would be great, but not likely :) |
| 17:32.50 | Lynoure | oilinki: I don't use either of those systems for irc, sorry |
| 17:33.11 | GNUrante | Hi |
| 17:33.35 | jott | but you can be sure that there are clients for both :) |
| 17:33.47 | wom- | hmm, where is locale information stored. like time/date format. python's locale doesn't seem to get it right |
| 17:33.53 | GNUrante | where OS2008 wireless manager saves the passwords? |
| 17:33.58 | oilinki | silky seems to look quite ok |
| 17:33.59 | qwerty12 | In Gconf |
| 17:34.08 | wom- | qwerty12: whats the key |
| 17:34.27 | qwerty12 | I mean about the wifi question :) |
| 17:34.33 | wom- | ah :) |
| 17:34.59 | wom- | well, locale most likely is also in gconf, just has to find the key :) |
| 17:35.15 | jott | search for IAP |
| 17:36.21 | jott | .. /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |
| 17:36.57 | GNUrante | jott: thank you |
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| 17:38.01 | qwerty12 | Is "gcc: /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/host-gcc.specs: No such file or directory |
| 17:38.01 | qwerty12 | error: command '/scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc' failed with exit status 1 |
| 17:38.01 | qwerty12 | " a usual error?# |
| 17:38.42 | kulve | I don't think so.. |
| 17:38.48 | kulve | at least I haven't seen that.. |
| 17:39.39 | qwerty12 | ok thanks. I'm un7zing the vmware appliance. I'll mount the image in my Ubuntu and move the host-gcc folder from the vmware image. I have nothing to lose. |
| 17:40.25 | kulve | doesn't sound like something that will work.. |
| 17:40.46 | kulve | what are you trying to do? Do you have host-gcc toolchain installed? |
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| 17:41.12 | konttori | Hi everyone! |
| 17:41.34 | konttori | has been testing writing home applets on python |
| 17:41.54 | qwerty12 | kulve: I'm trying to compile a program in ARMEL target. My host-gcc folder is empty, save a symlink to a lib file. |
| 17:42.04 | qwerty12 | konttori: Hi :) |
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| 17:42.10 | konttori | hi |
| 17:42.35 | wom- | how is the applet coming? |
| 17:42.53 | kulve | qwerty12: I think nobody is interested about host-gcc when compiling "normal" application in armel target.. |
| 17:43.55 | konttori | well, I'm just testing the way to do stuff atm. |
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| 17:44.06 | qwerty12 | This program cares :(. I've even tried symlinking the host-gcc to the current toolchain it uses : cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm |
| 17:44.36 | kulve | the host-gcc needs to be a host-gcc for SB, you cannot use any other toolchain |
| 17:44.46 | wom- | konttori: have you seen this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142609&postcount=5 |
| 17:45.00 | konttori | yeah. I have |
| 17:45.14 | kulve | qwerty12: http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc-1.0.8-i386.tar.gz |
| 17:45.18 | kulve | like that one |
| 17:45.40 | qwerty12 | kulve: Ok, thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 17:46.13 | qwerty12 | My favourite and the only python home applets I know are here: http://khertan.net/ |
| 17:46.33 | wom- | konttori: you have done lots of python on maemo, right? have you had ever need to format some dates and times so that they use proper locale setting |
| 17:46.54 | konttori | Well, I've done some python on maemo. |
| 17:47.03 | konttori | No, I haven't needed to convert datetimes |
| 17:47.46 | konttori | but you should be able to do it like this: |
| 17:47.47 | konttori | import locale |
| 17:47.47 | konttori | locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') |
| 17:47.58 | wom- | konttori: I just need to and python locale doesn't seem to work.. |
| 17:48.11 | wom- | konttori: ok i will try that before i say it doesn't work :) |
| 17:48.42 | konttori | at least it's not setting to the env locale if you don't run that command first |
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| 17:49.16 | wom- | konttori: ok that was it.. thank you :D |
| 17:49.38 | konttori | np! |
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| 17:51.08 | qwerty12 | Ok, I managed to get this program to compile. I'm not hot on dh_make but can you redirect where make install installs? |
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| 17:54.43 | kulve | in the debian rules file? |
| 17:55.22 | kulve | hmm.. I don't have dh_make in my rules at all |
| 17:55.44 | qwerty12 | No, I mean without creating a deb. I'm pretty lazy, I just tar.gz little releases. But I have luck today, I have dh_make working :) |
| 17:56.29 | kulve | creating a deb is simple. Normally a 4 line rules file is enough.. |
| 17:56.48 | henrique | does anyone know some documentation about how contacts work in maemo? |
| 17:57.10 | qwerty12 | kulve: I had trouble last time, I'm not really a developer at heart :D |
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| 17:57.37 | henrique | I would like to know how the interfaces can to link contacts with user accounts, the maemo's addressbook database seem to not have anything to link these two things |
| 17:59.23 | henrique | so, given a contact how do I know the accounts which allow me to make a conversation with him? |
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| 18:23.05 | Yanch0 | Hi, I have installed Maemo as per these instructions : http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/chinook/INSTALL.txt .. When I try to load it, and go to Install Hello World Application, I get an OK dialago, but it does not feautre in the Installed Applications. This is the full log : http://yancho.pastebin.com/d68544600 - Any idea please? |
| 18:23.06 | wazd | Good evening all) |
| 18:24.44 | qwerty12 | Hello wazd :) |
| 18:25.01 | wazd | Any Hildon guru's here?) |
| 18:25.07 | wazd | I have 2 questions :) |
| 18:25.22 | konttori | By the way, cairo on python is mind bogglingly great! Especially in home applets!!! |
| 18:25.26 | konttori | leaves |
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| 18:25.53 | wazd | Damn! Kontorri, get back here! I need you!) |
| 18:26.00 | wazd | aaaawwww( |
| 18:26.19 | konttori | did you have something in mind? |
| 18:26.30 | wazd | Aw! you're here!) |
| 18:26.33 | wazd | hi) |
| 18:26.57 | h3sp4wn | Can anyone enlighten me on exactly how the countrycode thing works - where the mac address is stored etc (what I can do to get past it) don't mind soldering a jtag / serial if I need to - I cannot see anything illegal about modding it to work in the UK |
| 18:27.10 | konttori | I had to check one bit of code before I close down the computer |
| 18:27.51 | wazd | Can you help me a bit with Hildon objects. Is there a graduated volume bar object? Like in built in brightness settings |
| 18:28.26 | wazd | I haven't found any man bout it so I don't know how to make more/less than 5 grades :) |
| 18:28.31 | wazd | or is it possible |
| 18:29.03 | konttori | well, you have the volume bar for example in the volume control status bar applet |
| 18:29.11 | konttori | so, yes, there should be a widget for it |
| 18:29.53 | wazd | nono, i need not volume bar :) |
| 18:29.54 | konttori | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/python_hildon_widgets_api.html |
| 18:30.01 | konttori | ahh.. what then? |
| 18:30.06 | wazd | I need a widget like in brightness |
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| 18:30.16 | wazd | with "square" grades |
| 18:32.11 | wazd | aw |
| 18:32.22 | wazd | maybe "control bar" is that thing?) |
| 18:32.27 | konttori | Ahh... like that. Well. I'm not sure, but HildonControlbar might be the one you need. If not, just create it yourself |
| 18:32.31 | qwerty12 | Does anyone have debhelper installed on internet tablet? I would install dpkg says it needs 45 MB to install and I only have 20MB left. I need someone to test something. PM me at Internet Tablet Talk (user name qwerty12) as I'm not on IRC as much and I have to go soon. |
| 18:32.47 | wazd | Ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 18:33.06 | konttori | np. Sorry that I didn't have the andswer immediately. But you found it yourself: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/pyhildon_controlbar.html |
| 18:33.15 | konttori | ok. have a great evening all! |
| 18:33.16 | wazd | Finger friendly interfaces ownz :) |
| 18:33.23 | konttori | true! |
| 18:33.54 | koyote | wow. some odd bugs in kbdd |
| 18:36.02 | wazd | Aw, hell, i've forgot to ask second question :) |
| 18:36.31 | wazd | Does anybody knows is it possible to scale hildon widgets?) |
| 18:36.51 | KotCzarny | wazd: probably |
| 18:37.00 | KotCzarny | at least they're theme settable |
| 18:39.21 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, yes. |
| 18:39.22 | wazd | ok, i'll hack it out, thanks :) |
| 18:39.31 | wazd | oh, great :) |
| 18:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Not at all familiar with the specifics, though. :P |
| 18:39.45 | wazd | so i can make control bar wider for example? |
| 18:43.25 | lcuk | ooohs and ahhhhs at eee touch |
| 18:43.43 | lcuk | doesnt think it will replace this form factor tho |
| 18:44.13 | mgedmin | what's eee touch? |
| 18:44.43 | lcuk | new model discussed for release - slightly bigger screen but with touch |
| 18:46.15 | mgedmin | is that the same or different from the 9" model? |
| 18:46.35 | lcuk | http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/12330/13354/asus-prepping-9-inch-touchscreen-eee.phtml |
| 18:47.08 | Cptnodegard | whats the best maps reposotory for maemo mapper? |
| 18:47.48 | mgedmin | best in what sense? freedom -> openstreetmap; coverage -> probably google maps |
| 18:48.16 | mgedmin | for certain locations "best" maybe different from the globally average "best" |
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| 18:48.30 | mgedmin | e.g. there are towns with better openstreetmap than google maps coverage |
| 18:48.40 | mgedmin | otoh osm's rendered is not as good |
| 18:48.52 | mgedmin | and the colours clash somewhat with maemo mapper's route and track markers |
| 18:48.56 | Cptnodegard | tbh im a bit lost with the whole thing, how to make it download a map for an entire area like the maps aplication does |
| 18:49.05 | elb | openstreetmap's renderings are suckola |
| 18:49.07 | mgedmin | speaking of maemo mapper, any plans to make it work with the OS2008 gps infrastructure? |
| 18:49.24 | elb | mgedmin: in what sense? |
| 18:49.29 | elb | it plays nicely as it is, as best I can tell |
| 18:49.29 | mgedmin | Cptnodegard: maps -> manage maps... |
| 18:49.34 | mgedmin | has the area download |
| 18:49.52 | lcuk | what format are the maps supplied onboard the 810? |
| 18:50.11 | mgedmin | elb: colour clash? the red track is hard to see on the reddish-pink street |
| 18:50.30 | elb | mgedmin: no, I think it was to do with the way labels were applied |
| 18:50.34 | elb | I forget, I quit using it early on |
| 18:50.57 | luddek | i think the maps for the map program on os2008 is better than the ones i fid for maemo mapper, is there at possibility to use the os2008 maps or map program on os2007? |
| 18:50.57 | Cptnodegard | im zooming and zooming on my location but all i see is the ineter-europe road and the train tracks, does that mean nothing else is covered? |
| 18:51.00 | elb | like, I think it didn't label streets at farther zoom levels where Google Maps did, or something |
| 18:51.07 | mgedmin | elb: I was trying to clarify your "mgedmin: in what sense?" |
| 18:51.25 | mgedmin | maemo mapper + os2008? it doesn't integrate with the gps daemon |
| 18:51.36 | elb | mgedmin: oh, I meant ... in what sense do you want the GPS to work with the os2008 gps infrastructure |
| 18:51.42 | elb | right, it doesn't, but it still seems to play nicely |
| 18:51.43 | mgedmin | essentially it can't use the n810's built-in gps unless some other apps does the d-bus magic and makes the built-in gpsd start |
| 18:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard, see the built-in help (also available online) |
| 18:51.51 | elb | oh, really? |
| 18:51.52 | Cptnodegard | lcuk: the biggest files in the maps folder that the maps aplication made has the extension .qt |
| 18:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's really quite excellent. |
| 18:51.57 | elb | I've never had it not see the GPS |
| 18:52.02 | elb | you didn't set it to gpsd, did you? |
| 18:52.09 | mgedmin | do you use /dev/pgps or gpsd on localhost? |
| 18:52.15 | elb | the instructions say to leave it set to 'autodetect bluetooth gps' or whatever |
| 18:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Bluetooth field, leave the MAC blank. |
| 18:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | Should work fine. |
| 18:52.26 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: that's cool but completely non-discoverable! |
| 18:52.31 | lcuk | Cptnodegard, so if i grab a couple of the smaller .qt files and see what i can make of them |
| 18:52.32 | elb | it's in the documentation |
| 18:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 18:52.47 | mgedmin | I mean, WHO READS THE DOCUMENTATION, really??? |
| 18:52.54 | KotCzarny | i do |
| 18:52.56 | KotCzarny | sometimes |
| 18:52.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:52.57 | lcuk | i did *cower* |
| 18:52.58 | mgedmin | strange person :) |
| 18:53.08 | lcuk | while i was waiting for initial battery charge |
| 18:53.09 | elb | wherever it was was obvious enough that I knew it by the first time I ran maemo mapper |
| 18:53.18 | elb | it's like on the download page or something, even, I think |
| 18:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | I don't even have an N810 and I know. :P |
| 18:53.48 | Cptnodegard | lcuk, theres a shitload of files in the folder, most of which are.qt. some bin, some dat |
| 18:54.06 | lcuk | yer im looking and ill see what i can discover |
| 18:54.29 | lcuk | there isnt a filemon equivilent for linux is there? |
| 18:54.37 | lcuk | so i can watch what happens when i run map |
| 18:55.11 | mgedmin | lcuk: strace can kinda do that |
| 18:55.13 | Cptnodegard | quick q: in maemo mapper, "cache DB" is where it will save maps i take it? |
| 18:55.25 | mgedmin | yes |
| 18:55.31 | Cptnodegard | :) |
| 18:55.52 | mgedmin | what's the /dev/pgps option for? |
| 18:56.11 | mgedmin | I have a /dev/pgps on the n810, but it doesn't work with maemo mapper ("can't connect to the GPS" after a timeout, iirc) |
| 19:00.00 | Cptnodegard | the mpas license is worth it i think :/ |
| 19:00.07 | Cptnodegard | either that or i have to move |
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| 19:02.27 | WorkingOnWise | ok. I got it- OS2008 cloned onto my sd card. Tried it a second time on a fresh 1gb SD card. There were some extra details either left out, or not updated for OS2008. It takes all of 5 minutes to do once all the info is available! I'm putting the steps I usd in a blog later, but should I post it also in the howto I started with? It is reaallllyy long and doubt most people will read so far doen to actually see my post. It isn't |
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| 19:05.06 | KotCzarny | some people do, so, yes |
| 19:05.19 | KotCzarny | add your notes for people like you |
| 19:05.51 | WorkingOnWise | lol....I dont like people KotCzarny...what then? :D |
| 19:06.05 | KotCzarny | if you don't like people then don't use their work. |
| 19:06.17 | KotCzarny | and DON'T ask us for help |
| 19:06.31 | KotCzarny | and DON'T read maemo.org howtos |
| 19:06.37 | KotCzarny | and fuck you. |
| 19:07.08 | lcuk | if the additional things you had to do enable the process to work better or smoother or complete some part left out, then please do add a comment. amongst other things blog comments are searchable and if the information is valid the origignal posted may actually update the original |
| 19:07.10 | WorkingOnWise | look u litttle piss ant....I was joking. Did u see the smile?? |
| 19:07.54 | KotCzarny | psychos smile too |
| 19:08.21 | lcuk | they smile more than normal ppl |
| 19:08.34 | lcuk | but its the eyes that are a problem |
| 19:08.43 | WorkingOnWise | I just spent a very frusterating trying to follow incomplete instructions for what has turned out to be a very simple task...and now I am asking what to do with my newfound info....and u cuss me out???!!! |
| 19:08.43 | lcuk | they are shifty |
| 19:08.54 | KotCzarny | me? |
| 19:08.59 | KotCzarny | i suggested what you should do |
| 19:09.01 | WorkingOnWise | frusterating morning |
| 19:09.16 | KotCzarny | and you answered with 'i don't like people (i won't share then)' |
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| 19:09.24 | WorkingOnWise | (03:06:41 PM) KotCzarny: and fuck you. |
| 19:09.46 | KotCzarny | <WorkingOnWise> look u litttle piss ant.... |
| 19:09.57 | WorkingOnWise | (03:05:54 PM) WorkingOnWise: lol....I dont like people KotCzarny...what then? :D |
| 19:10.05 | elb | oh good, a paste war |
| 19:10.07 | elb | I love it |
| 19:10.41 | lcuk | lol hey you two, i can read the scrollback |
| 19:10.42 | elb | nobody here has a scrollback |
| 19:10.42 | mgedmin | brings the popcorn |
| 19:10.42 | lcuk | go on - repeat the repeats |
| 19:10.42 | KotCzarny | elb: at least those are one liners |
| 19:10.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:10.42 | aVirulence | hi, can someone point me to a link to the webmail applet for chinook? I had it before, but I can't find it anymore |
| 19:10.42 | WorkingOnWise | yes..I did say that..it's true....whatever...clearly u are a waste of my keystrokes.... |
| 19:10.53 | KotCzarny | <WorkingOnWise> yes..I did say that..it's true....whatever...clearly u are a waste of my |
| 19:10.56 | KotCzarny | +keystrokes.... |
| 19:10.57 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "keystrokes...." is not a valid command. |
| 19:11.28 | lcuk | right ladies - can we have some order - WorkingOnWise, please do update the notes. it will be worthwhile |
| 19:11.36 | mgedmin | yay, even the bots jump into the fray! |
| 19:11.48 | KotCzarny | whos bot it is anyway? |
| 19:11.55 | KotCzarny | and what's it's purpose? :> |
| 19:11.56 | WorkingOnWise | I will do that lcuk |
| 19:12.11 | mgedmin | "mikeisawayfromirctoomuch" |
| 19:12.14 | KotCzarny | mirc |
| 19:12.16 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
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| 19:13.06 | KotCzarny | i wonder when someone tries to put wince on IT |
| 19:13.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:13.37 | aVirulence | Let me repeat my question for the one's that aren't reading through the flamewar ;-) hi, can someone point me to a link to the webmail applet for chinook? I had it before, but I can't find it anymore |
| 19:14.20 | Cptnodegard | webmail applet? gmail notifyer? |
| 19:14.48 | KotCzarny | 'ossoemail' ? |
| 19:14.50 | WorkingOnWise | I just get a lil cranky when ppl get pissy over what was clearly a comment in gest....it is a stereotypical script kiddie thing to blast out profanity when they have come to the end of their intelligence... |
| 19:15.14 | KotCzarny | WorkingOnWise: it was you who started it |
| 19:15.21 | aVirulence | Cptnodegard, the gmail notifyer |
| 19:15.32 | KotCzarny | i answered your question |
| 19:15.37 | KotCzarny | you responded with attitude |
| 19:15.41 | GeneralAntilles | WorkingOnWise, it's called /ignore. ;) |
| 19:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | Try it. |
| 19:15.49 | WorkingOnWise | now I'll go document my findings so others can avoin the frusteration I had this morning. |
| 19:16.05 | KotCzarny | so in general you have the right to make 'a little jokes' |
| 19:16.06 | WorkingOnWise | GeneralAntilles: yup....already did that :) thanks. |
| 19:16.12 | KotCzarny | and everyone else is forbidden |
| 19:16.13 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome to the club. :D |
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| 19:16.16 | WorkingOnWise | avoin=avoid |
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| 19:16.37 | KotCzarny | oh, the attitude |
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| 19:17.24 | lcuk | wow - no1 has done enough to be ignored, mind you i didnt even know i could ignore people, so maybe eventually i might find some1 worthy |
| 19:17.29 | Cptnodegard | [20:15] <aVirulence> Cptnodegard, the gmail notifyer <- i have it on my app installer, its called mnotify. so it has to be in some repository |
| 19:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | s/1/one/g <_> >_< |
| 19:18.02 | aVirulence | Cptnodegard, thanks, I guess I'll find it, thanks a lot |
| 19:18.08 | lcuk | \ignore GeneralAntilles ;) |
| 19:18.11 | aVirulence | I didn't remember the name |
| 19:18.56 | lcuk | sometimes thou on irc it would be better to /erasefrommemory |
| 19:19.18 | Cptnodegard | aVirulence, its in the nokia rep, so you prob have it now that you have the name :) |
| 19:19.21 | KotCzarny | what was seen, cannot be unseen |
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| 19:19.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:19.37 | lcuk | my eyes. the goggles, they do nothing. |
| 19:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:19.55 | aVirulence | Cptnodegard, yeah, found it, :) |
| 19:20.07 | lcuk | WARNING: do not look into the IRC with your remaining eye |
| 19:21.17 | KotCzarny | third eye |
| 19:21.40 | WorkingOnWise | I am unclear one one thing....when I did insmod (modules I needed) , was that a one time thing? I rebooted the IT, then duplicated my steps to clone, and all went fine. AFTER it was done, I remembered that I didnt do the insmod (modules I needed) again. |
| 19:21.52 | lcuk | i never point that at the screen - the monitor wont ever be the same again |
| 19:22.11 | KotCzarny | you could see things as they really are |
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| 19:22.18 | KotCzarny | that's really dangerous |
| 19:22.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:23.06 | lcuk | not really dangerous - its not like im expecting shards of glass or anything |
| 19:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | remote-detonates lcuk's CRT. |
| 19:23.27 | WorkingOnWise | lol....ouch |
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| 19:23.40 | lcuk | good thing the CRT is in the dump |
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| 19:23.48 | GeneralAntilles | Damn! |
| 19:23.51 | GeneralAntilles | Foiled again. |
| 19:24.04 | WorkingOnWise | I hate foil |
| 19:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | wraps himself in his cape and disappears in a puff of smoke. |
| 19:24.22 | lcuk | puts his nice tinfoil hat on |
| 19:24.27 | WorkingOnWise | lol....smells like burning batteries |
| 19:24.27 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 19:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | plots. |
| 19:24.40 | lcuk | psets |
| 19:25.33 | WorkingOnWise | is insmod sticky? do I have to do it every time I reboot if I want those modules available? |
| 19:25.54 | lcuk | what modules are you on about |
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| 19:26.20 | elb | insmod is not sticky |
| 19:26.40 | WorkingOnWise | right now just ext3 , but I want to try this out on reiserfs too |
| 19:27.01 | lcuk | reiserfs is dead isnt it? or am i mixing it up with someone else? |
| 19:27.18 | KotCzarny | define 'dead' |
| 19:27.23 | lcuk | or did it just go back to russia? |
| 19:27.40 | WorkingOnWise | it isnt...then that must mean the boot menu I installed is handleing the modules for me.... |
| 19:28.24 | WorkingOnWise | reiserfs is in a questionable development state right now, but 3.6 is in use enough that I shouldn't ignore it.... |
| 19:29.14 | KotCzarny | Yikes, www.namesys.com isn't loading right now. |
| 19:29.18 | WorkingOnWise | I am wanting to turn my tablet into a forensics analysis device for hard drives, cd's and dvd's |
| 19:29.20 | KotCzarny | well, maybe it is |
| 19:29.40 | WorkingOnWise | so reiserfs will be part of the tool kit.... |
| 19:30.16 | lcuk | to be honest, wouldnt a standard lappy be better for full forensics? |
| 19:30.56 | elb | lappy should be struck from the lexicon |
| 19:31.01 | elb | possibly along with anyone who finds it reasonable to utter it |
| 19:31.06 | elb | come over here so I can strike you down, lcuk |
| 19:31.09 | WorkingOnWise | it would....but the IT is way easier to carry, and recover if there is a problem. |
| 19:31.11 | lcuk | ok, tabletop computer |
| 19:31.26 | WorkingOnWise | my lappy in on my lap right now... |
| 19:31.28 | WorkingOnWise | hehe |
| 19:32.04 | KotCzarny | elb: those are 'desktop replacements' |
| 19:32.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:32.18 | elb | 'lappy' is a desktop replacement? |
| 19:32.33 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 19:32.35 | elb | I thought it was a travesty of an abbreviation for "laptop" |
| 19:32.37 | lcuk | its a bit small for a desktop replacement, where would you put your lamp |
| 19:32.40 | WorkingOnWise | I have always wanted a pc in my palm...now I got it and I'm gona push it's limits....see just what it can do. |
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| 19:32.59 | lcuk | no prob working :) |
| 19:33.09 | lcuk | feels the same way |
| 19:33.14 | KotCzarny | elb: most laptops right now are big as hell |
| 19:33.18 | WorkingOnWise | elb: it is...I'm lazy....I save 2 keystrokes every time i use it... |
| 19:33.20 | elb | yes, I know |
| 19:33.28 | lcuk | i installed WOW on it the other day - im still waiting for the loading screen to come on |
| 19:33.33 | elb | but that's just because people are stupid |
| 19:33.37 | elb | and the industry provides what people want |
| 19:33.54 | WorkingOnWise | lol...u didn't really install WOW on an IT did u? |
| 19:33.57 | KotCzarny | and noise as hell too |
| 19:34.00 | KotCzarny | noisy |
| 19:34.06 | lcuk | no |
| 19:34.10 | WorkingOnWise | good |
| 19:34.17 | WorkingOnWise | that would be painful... |
| 19:34.19 | lcuk | i lied, elb, you must strike me down for that as well |
| 19:34.26 | elb | I demand a 500MHz ARM laptop with a full-size keyboard, wireless, and 12h of battery life |
| 19:34.31 | WorkingOnWise | the framerate would ne fpm's |
| 19:34.42 | elb | the framerate wouldn't matter since the processor isn't intel |
| 19:34.42 | lcuk | elb, you can have 2/3 though ;) |
| 19:34.55 | lcuk | you could theoretically run it |
| 19:34.56 | KotCzarny | elb: that will be n800 + igo slim + psp external battery pack |
| 19:35.06 | elb | KotCzarny: also a usable screen |
| 19:35.12 | KotCzarny | define usable |
| 19:35.18 | lcuk | eee 9 inch touch....soon... |
| 19:35.19 | elb | enough pixels to do real work |
| 19:35.28 | lcuk | ... |
| 19:35.34 | lcuk | drools |
| 19:35.34 | elb | on a display where you don't have to use them all for a single letter ;-) |
| 19:35.37 | KotCzarny | hmm, usb projector? |
| 19:35.54 | KotCzarny | oh, i know |
| 19:36.00 | KotCzarny | 'screen magnifiers' :) |
| 19:36.06 | elb | the n810 has a sexy display for sure, but you have to use such large-in-pixelsize fonts that it's not much of a "work" machine |
| 19:36.20 | lcuk | i adore the arm processor - it reminds me of my amiga |
| 19:36.26 | lcuk | still mourns it |
| 19:36.27 | elb | the iBook 12" was pretty much the ultimate laptop, as far as form factor is concerned, I think |
| 19:36.42 | elb | if it were produced today with modern manufacturing, I'd buy it in a heartbeat |
| 19:36.44 | KotCzarny | i prefer ibm x30-x32 |
| 19:36.50 | elb | (because that would give it the 12h battery life) |
| 19:36.55 | lcuk | elb - bigger eee + touch is close |
| 19:37.07 | elb | lcuk: the eee would have to be a lot bigger |
| 19:37.14 | elb | its keyboard is nowhere NEAR full size |
| 19:37.26 | lcuk | humans have this thing for macro zooming - MOVE CLOSER |
| 19:37.28 | KotCzarny | transparent osk |
| 19:37.53 | KotCzarny | lcuk: looking at objects closer than foot away is straining your eyes |
| 19:37.54 | lcuk | i have an apple wireless kb and its not fullsize but it feels like it |
| 19:37.57 | elb | lcuk: except that's not true at all |
| 19:37.59 | KotCzarny | read: bling soon |
| 19:38.01 | KotCzarny | blind |
| 19:38.04 | WorkingOnWise | is kde a reasonable DE for the N800? Or i it a novelty, just to say it can be done? |
| 19:38.18 | lcuk | novelty but i think ppl have compiled it |
| 19:38.19 | elb | the apple wireless keyboard isn't full size? |
| 19:38.21 | elb | are you sure about that? |
| 19:38.21 | lcuk | its geared for mouse |
| 19:38.26 | elb | I think its key centers are standard pitch |
| 19:38.33 | lcuk | yer - its laptop sized - its not got all keys |
| 19:38.44 | KotCzarny | i would love igo kb with trackpoint |
| 19:38.45 | elb | oh, so, yeah, it's full sized |
| 19:38.45 | lcuk | yes, maybe standard sized keys but not a full size keyboard |
| 19:38.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:38.52 | elb | number of keys is not what is meant by "full size" |
| 19:38.58 | KotCzarny | or better yet optical track point |
| 19:39.01 | elb | the number of keys is usually expressed by key count |
| 19:39.06 | elb | e.g., 102 or 104 key |
| 19:39.17 | elb | I don't care about all those extra keys, anyway, they're useless |
| 19:39.23 | lcuk | ahhh so a fullsize keyboard with only 3 keys is a bit lame |
| 19:40.00 | elb | anything with less than the standard qwerty layout (or insert your local layout) simply wouldn't be called a "keyboard" ;-) |
| 19:40.15 | elb | or it would be modified, like "one-hand" or "special purpose" or whatever |
| 19:40.19 | KotCzarny | letter entry apparatus |
| 19:40.24 | MangoFusion | like http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/ctrl-alt-del.jpeg ? |
| 19:40.26 | lcuk | speaking of keyboards - the 810 keyboard is squashy - ive been thinking about using an overlay and using the keyboard as an extension (like color selection ranges for drawing program) |
| 19:40.41 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 19:40.42 | lcuk | yes mango |
| 19:40.47 | lcuk | thats what i was thinking |
| 19:41.02 | KotCzarny | there was a pirate and elite geek versions too |
| 19:41.20 | lcuk | right, i smell food - time to go |
| 19:41.30 | lcuk | back later, and KotCzarny dont get into any more fights :P |
| 19:41.37 | KotCzarny | it would be hard |
| 19:41.54 | lcuk | back later |
| 19:41.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:42.41 | AStorm | so, who will package osso-pdf-reader for me? |
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| 20:53.13 | lcuk | AStorm, why cant you build it yourself? |
| 20:53.29 | lcuk | or is this your program which needs actual real packaging |
| 20:53.37 | AStorm | because my virtualbox and vmware hate me |
| 20:53.44 | AStorm | :/ |
| 20:53.50 | lcuk | im sure they dont hate you |
| 20:53.55 | AStorm | vmware doesn't want to run |
| 20:53.56 | lcuk | mildy dislike |
| 20:54.05 | lcuk | the specific image or vmware itself |
| 20:54.06 | AStorm | and virtualbox doesn't build :/ |
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| 20:54.12 | AStorm | vmware-server |
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| 20:54.19 | qwerty12_N800 | astorm: out of curiosity,, what are you trying to build? |
| 20:54.29 | AStorm | osso-pdf-reader |
| 20:54.34 | lcuk | ahhh i just got the player |
| 20:54.46 | AStorm | I'll try it too |
| 20:55.56 | AStorm | gcc b*ches about not being able to assign regs on some asm code |
| 20:56.09 | AStorm | with all v. of gcc I have |
| 20:56.16 | AStorm | and various flags |
| 20:56.25 | AStorm | I'll try w/o any |
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| 20:57.17 | lcuk | whats the asm for? |
| 20:57.29 | AStorm | virtualbox? |
| 20:57.41 | AStorm | I guess for emulation |
| 20:57.50 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:57.51 | lcuk | no, you say gcc complains - it complains when you are compiling what? |
| 20:58.12 | lcuk | the pdf reader? |
| 20:58.16 | AStorm | when building target-i386 |
| 20:58.22 | AStorm | no, vvirtualbox! |
| 20:58.33 | AStorm | I can't even run the scrfatchbox |
| 20:58.40 | AStorm | hates my gentoo |
| 20:58.49 | KotCzarny | astorm, give me your linux box host/ip/login and i will install you sb/sdk :) |
| 20:58.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Are you trying to get sbox in vbox? |
| 20:59.05 | KotCzarny | and pass too |
| 20:59.12 | lcuk | and cc details |
| 20:59.15 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: yup |
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| 20:59.31 | AStorm | KotCzarny: ya, and a few rootkits |
| 20:59.39 | AStorm | the Nokia installeer worked |
| 20:59.43 | AStorm | but sbox not |
| 20:59.49 | tbf | hmm.... apt-get cannot install flex for my scratchbox.... known problem, or is my source list incomplete? |
| 20:59.49 | AStorm | missing symbols |
| 20:59.53 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:00.00 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:00.07 | KotCzarny | you installl sbox first |
| 21:00.12 | AStorm | too new system I guess |
| 21:00.12 | KotCzarny | THEN sdk |
| 21:00.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:00.18 | qwerty12_N800 | ah! Take up kot's offer :d, sbox in proper linux, not emulated is better imho |
| 21:00.26 | AStorm | ... that was sbox instaül script |
| 21:00.37 | KotCzarny | doesn't matter |
| 21:00.43 | KotCzarny | my slackware is up to date too |
| 21:00.45 | lcuk | runs vmware image |
| 21:00.46 | AStorm | worked, but sbox itself not |
| 21:00.56 | KotCzarny | what was the error? |
| 21:01.02 | AStorm | slackware <<< gentoo ~sx86 |
| 21:01.07 | KotCzarny | naah |
| 21:01.07 | AStorm | ~x86 |
| 21:01.08 | infobot | it has been said that x86 is this frankinsteins monster of a system compaired to arm. |
| 21:01.12 | KotCzarny | gcc version 4.2.3 |
| 21:01.16 | KotCzarny | quite recent |
| 21:01.20 | AStorm | infobot: so true |
| 21:01.38 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.44 | AStorm | here I have: 3.4, 4.2.3, 4.3.0 |
| 21:01.49 | AStorm | same |
| 21:02.11 | KotCzarny | then it's not recentliness |
| 21:02.21 | AStorm | btw, qemu doesn't want to build due to same error |
| 21:02.31 | AStorm | mhm |
| 21:02.32 | KotCzarny | more like gentoo-brokeness |
| 21:02.36 | AStorm | I suspect flags |
| 21:02.43 | AStorm | shouldn't, but... |
| 21:02.51 | AStorm | who knows |
| 21:03.28 | AStorm | now building vbox |
| 21:03.33 | derf | Running out of registers means you should be compiling with either -fomit-frame-pointer, -fno-pic, or both. |
| 21:03.36 | AStorm | I hope it can run .vmdk |
| 21:03.39 | lcuk | so native building in native linux is failing |
| 21:03.43 | derf | -fno-pic probably won't work on Gentoo. |
| 21:03.47 | AStorm | deff: or w/o |
| 21:03.57 | jaska | --omg-optimized |
| 21:04.05 | derf | No, compiling without those things means you will run out of registers even faster. |
| 21:04.07 | AStorm | same fail with pure -O2 |
| 21:04.10 | AStorm | :/ |
| 21:04.20 | qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, why not use vmware? |
| 21:04.41 | AStorm | because it doesn't work? |
| 21:04.42 | derf | Anyway, sbox compiled just fine for me on Gentoo x86. |
| 21:04.44 | AStorm | :/ |
| 21:04.51 | AStorm | compiled... |
| 21:04.53 | lcuk | cos using scratchbox in linux in vmware in linux is a bit silly |
| 21:04.56 | AStorm | I tried the binaray |
| 21:05.05 | AStorm | so I'll try the build |
| 21:05.12 | lcuk | vmware = perfect for windows :) |
| 21:05.16 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:05.19 | KotCzarny | astorm: install binary packages then |
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| 21:05.28 | AStorm | bbut then. vbox ought to build |
| 21:05.31 | tbf | ah: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r4 |
| 21:05.39 | AStorm | KotCzarny: binaries failed |
| 21:05.41 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:05.51 | KotCzarny | what was the error? |
| 21:06.03 | lcuk | AStorm, you said even vmware fails to run - sounds like major system b0rken |
| 21:06.04 | AStorm | let me write it down |
| 21:06.06 | qwerty12_N800 | I installed vmware workstation, i had to use a little program in wine to finish my setup... :p |
| 21:06.15 | KotCzarny | astorm: pastebin.com |
| 21:06.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:06.23 | tbf | lcuk: well, some feel quite uncomfortable with that chroot hack, which scratchbox is |
| 21:06.29 | AStorm | lcuk: they're missing GCC 4.2.0 symbol |
| 21:06.39 | AStorm | my libstdc++ |
| 21:06.44 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:07.06 | AStorm | and some GLIBC_2.7 |
| 21:07.20 | lcuk | tbf, i thought chroot wasnt a hack and was normal expected run of the mill thing - like "oh i think i'll go to the toilet, just wait ill chroot myself" |
| 21:07.39 | tbf | lcuk: i always fear to destroy my host system (out of stupidity), when dealing with scratchbox |
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| 21:08.07 | AStorm | as for sbox binary: inconsistencies detected by ld.so |
| 21:08.14 | lcuk | but i thought whatever happens inside the chroot stays inside the chroot. if nothing is symlinked to the outside world then all is good |
| 21:08.16 | AStorm | some assert failed |
| 21:08.26 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:08.30 | KotCzarny | astorm: install slackware. |
| 21:08.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:08.38 | AStorm | ya, sure |
| 21:08.39 | tbf | lcuk: well, for instance scratchbox shares the /proc file system with the host system |
| 21:08.41 | AStorm | I could |
| 21:08.49 | KotCzarny | hardrrives are cheap as dirt |
| 21:09.01 | AStorm | not lapptop |
| 21:09.10 | qwerty12_N800 | or ubuntu/debian :p |
| 21:09.17 | tbf | lcuk: so this chroot jail has giant holes |
| 21:09.21 | lcuk | tbf, didnt know specifics :) thanks for that i will bear it in mind |
| 21:09.22 | AStorm | lol |
| 21:09.23 | KotCzarny | astorm: livecd then? |
| 21:09.38 | lcuk | is a windows user and linux n00b still |
| 21:09.42 | AStorm | KotCzarny: ya, need working nat and wifi |
| 21:09.47 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:09.54 | KotCzarny | get wrt54g |
| 21:09.55 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 21:09.57 | AStorm | (for the other guy) |
| 21:10.03 | AStorm | no |
| 21:10.11 | KotCzarny | on allegro they are <200pln already |
| 21:10.26 | AStorm | sorry, no, what for? |
| 21:10.33 | KotCzarny | for nat and wifi? |
| 21:10.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:10.44 | AStorm | but I'll try building that sbox |
| 21:10.49 | lcuk | awful lot of messing all this installing crap - generally if it doesnt work i assumed i screwed up and just restore from stable backup and start again |
| 21:10.51 | AStorm | instead of bins |
| 21:10.59 | AStorm | hehe |
| 21:11.06 | AStorm | I should do that too |
| 21:11.17 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:11.21 | AStorm | this ~x86 gentoo needs an update |
| 21:11.22 | KotCzarny | worked for me at the first try |
| 21:11.41 | KotCzarny | so i assume it's system specific differences |
| 21:12.13 | AStorm | it's "too-much-experimentalitis" |
| 21:12.47 | AStorm | i prob. need newer binutils |
| 21:12.50 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:12.58 | KotCzarny | or older |
| 21:13.10 | KotCzarny | in slackware they moved back to .17 version |
| 21:13.11 | AStorm | nah, 2.18 release now |
| 21:13.15 | KotCzarny | because .18 had ld bugs |
| 21:13.16 | AStorm | hmm? |
| 21:13.18 | AStorm | lol |
| 21:13.26 | AStorm | I guess I hit one |
| 21:13.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:13.38 | KotCzarny | so now you know why it didn't worked |
| 21:13.45 | AStorm | heheh |
| 21:13.49 | KotCzarny | and why you should use slackware ;) |
| 21:13.57 | keesj | a real gentoo user would go for sbox2 or DIY toolchain |
| 21:14.06 | AStorm | I'll update to 2.18.50.x |
| 21:14.08 | AStorm | mhm |
| 21:14.10 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:14.16 | AStorm | I can do cross to arm |
| 21:14.16 | KotCzarny | that was the broken version |
| 21:14.17 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:14.23 | AStorm | nah |
| 21:14.25 | AStorm | one is |
| 21:14.33 | AStorm | I know which one |
| 21:14.33 | qwerty12_N800 | sbox2 doesn't load for me :p |
| 21:14.56 | AStorm | have that one masked |
| 21:14.57 | KotCzarny | astorm: .17 is still current in slack |
| 21:15.03 | AStorm | I know |
| 21:15.24 | AStorm | I need rebuilds in the system |
| 21:15.27 | lcuk | is slack the build yourself or is that gentoo? |
| 21:15.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: gentoo |
| 21:15.44 | KotCzarny | slack is package based |
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| 21:15.58 | KotCzarny | you can compile it yourself from sources, but it's slack. |
| 21:16.03 | AStorm | yup |
| 21:16.04 | KotCzarny | you are too lazy to do it. |
| 21:16.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:16.09 | KotCzarny | i mean, me. |
| 21:16.13 | lcuk | can you self build any on 810? |
| 21:16.16 | AStorm | I'm used to building self |
| 21:16.31 | AStorm | lcuk, no, need coreutils for that |
| 21:16.47 | AStorm | and it conflicts with busybox |
| 21:16.55 | lcuk | couldnt you bootstrap yourself with sb and then jump into it? |
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| 21:17.15 | lcuk | is doin the hand waving thing |
| 21:17.19 | TuxProbe | g'evening |
| 21:17.24 | qwerty12_N800 | ello |
| 21:17.28 | AStorm | lcuk, trying! |
| 21:17.38 | AStorm | but sbox isn't cooperating |
| 21:17.38 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:17.39 | lcuk | ! |
| 21:17.41 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:18.03 | TuxProbe | anyone with a couple pointers on gtkmm developement? |
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| 21:18.05 | AStorm | I'll,debreak the gentoo |
| 21:18.07 | KotCzarny | binutils-2.18.50.0.4 that was the offending version |
| 21:18.10 | keesj | lcuk: yes you can "debootstrap" a new thingy on a runnig internet tablet |
| 21:18.15 | AStorm | KotCzarny: old now |
| 21:18.21 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:18.33 | KotCzarny | time will tell how well they fixed it |
| 21:18.49 | lcuk | cool, i might try reading the scrollback - i might understand it better now |
| 21:18.55 | AStorm | I think I might know |
| 21:18.56 | keesj | TuxProbe: You have seen the whole site dedicated to it? |
| 21:19.11 | AStorm | it's some glibc vs fpmath=sse thing |
| 21:19.21 | TuxProbe | keesj i did :-) |
| 21:19.27 | AStorm | stupid glibc not filtering that out :P |
| 21:19.41 | AStorm | thus any fp code = poof |
| 21:19.51 | keesj | TuxProbe: it looked impressive to me |
| 21:19.57 | lcuk | TuxProbe, theres plenty of help on specific libraries out there - as long as you compile up with the maemo armel version most things you try should work. ymmv though |
| 21:19.58 | AStorm | alternatively, I'll rebuild the whole sys |
| 21:20.07 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 21:20.07 | AStorm | gtkmm is nice |
| 21:20.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:20.12 | TuxProbe | keesj but i get looads of linking errors from Glib::ustring n some paperhead.h |
| 21:20.13 | AStorm | unlike qt3 |
| 21:20.32 | AStorm | TuxProbe: forgot to -lgtkmm? |
| 21:20.43 | AStorm | or -lglib |
| 21:20.46 | keesj | TuxProbe: I know bollux about gtkmm. |
| 21:20.55 | lcuk | TuxProbe, are you making your own gtkmm project or are you compiling someone elses |
| 21:21.00 | TuxProbe | on any other x86 (not from the maemo extras repo) it compiles fine |
| 21:21.01 | AStorm | uhm, or -lglibmm |
| 21:21.12 | AStorm | heh |
| 21:21.22 | TuxProbe | lcuk going for a port of one of my own apps |
| 21:21.53 | TuxProbe | and as far as -lglib, `pkg-config --libs --cflags glibmm-2.4` is all over the place :) |
| 21:22.02 | lcuk | ok, is your scratchbox environment setup and are you set into armel mode and do you have the gtkmmdevelopment libraries installed in scratchbox |
| 21:22.26 | TuxProbe | yea sure, it compiles - though a bunch of linkage errors occurs |
| 21:22.38 | KotCzarny | tried linking by hand? |
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| 21:22.53 | TuxProbe | and so messy, i cant even figure out where _one_ of them origins from in the code hehe |
| 21:23.00 | lcuk | do other things compile and run when you build using scratchbox - ie have you tested |
| 21:23.36 | AStorm | hehe |
| 21:24.21 | TuxProbe | ahum yes |
| 21:24.51 | lcuk | (just covering the bases, we dont know you we dont know your setup and are just getting a level playing field) |
| 21:25.13 | TuxProbe | http://rafb.net/p/FQYBHM78.html |
| 21:26.09 | lcuk | you've got a linkage problem. |
| 21:26.11 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:26.45 | KotCzarny | -lglib ? |
| 21:26.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:27.05 | KotCzarny | glib2 probably |
| 21:28.00 | AStorm | yeah, my binutils are broke :P |
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| 21:28.10 | AStorm | samba fails to link i.e. |
| 21:28.14 | KotCzarny | gentoo, pfft |
| 21:28.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:28.47 | AStorm | but not other things |
| 21:28.49 | AStorm | strange |
| 21:29.10 | KotCzarny | downgrade to .17 |
| 21:29.12 | KotCzarny | be safe |
| 21:30.59 | lcuk | `pkg-config gtkmm-2.4 --cflags --libs` |
| 21:31.28 | tbf | strange, strange, strange: so i rebuild the interesting packages in scratchbox with -fno-omit-frame-pointers.... |
| 21:31.33 | lcuk | was digging for howto setup gtkmm makefile |
| 21:31.39 | tbf | ...still opreport doesn't show usefull call graphs |
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| 21:33.32 | TuxProbe | lcuk aye, check out a cleaned compile |
| 21:34.42 | TuxProbe | http://rafb.net/p/WSVMfO41.html |
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| 21:36.49 | Swapper | Hi! |
| 21:37.42 | Swapper | Can anyone tell me if x-chat port is active? |
| 21:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=xchat+chinook |
| 21:39.00 | lcuk | TuxProbe, what system do you normally compile this program on - and is the makefile not already configured - looking at your error report there are a lot of other references broken -> glib/gtk/gnome |
| 21:39.08 | lcuk | (at first glance) |
| 21:39.35 | TuxProbe | it works with the glibmm /glade/gtk distributed in gentoo and arch |
| 21:39.43 | lcuk | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
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| 21:40.35 | lcuk | there is a wiki page about porting somewhere on maemo |
| 21:41.08 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html |
| 21:42.56 | lcuk | luckily it goes over getting a gtk game working :) |
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| 21:45.07 | lcuk | karate chops KotCzarny and blames it on AStorm |
| 21:45.26 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 21:45.43 | KotCzarny | good thing i'm shielded with my monitor |
| 21:45.58 | KotCzarny | erm. screen |
| 21:46.17 | lcuk | i dunno, internet violence just isnt the same with fancy LCD shields |
| 21:46.32 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:46.40 | KotCzarny | it needs other means to pass through |
| 21:46.49 | KotCzarny | ie. between lines |
| 21:47.00 | lcuk | those robot tuxs could take off |
| 21:47.11 | lcuk | a little penguin army fighting irc battles for us |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | my westell modem doesn't run on tuxes |
| 21:47.57 | KotCzarny | sometimes os differences can be a good thing |
| 21:48.04 | Swapper | GeneralAntilles, thx |
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| 21:52.39 | AStorm | sends a squad of ninjas after lcuk |
| 21:53.30 | AStorm | now, binutils 2.18.50.0.5 |
| 21:53.35 | lcuk | randomizes all your symlinks and moves your pr0n folder |
| 21:53.47 | TuxProbe | just felt like sharing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 ;-D |
| 21:53.53 | AStorm | harhar, no access rignts |
| 21:54.16 | KotCzarny | old |
| 21:54.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:54.22 | AStorm | old |
| 21:54.24 | TuxProbe | bootstrapping the good 'ol cow astorm? :) |
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| 21:54.39 | AStorm | I guess maemo isn't secure |
| 21:54.42 | AStorm | :P |
| 21:54.51 | AStorm | ah. right |
| 21:54.55 | KotCzarny | just don't let strangers ssh access |
| 21:54.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.18 | AStorm | vmsplice isn't done on arm yet? |
| 21:55.25 | lcuk | "but he wasnt a stranger, i knew him from irc" |
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| 21:55.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:55.57 | KotCzarny | zombie nation |
| 21:56.04 | AStorm | rofl |
| 21:56.29 | AStorm | all your nokias are belong to us |
| 21:56.31 | Veggen | hmm. wonder what it'd take to convince citrix to compile for arm. |
| 21:56.40 | TuxProbe | disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c:133: error: `__NR_vmsplice' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:56.44 | lcuk | it would probably cost you an arm and a leg |
| 21:56.46 | AStorm | Veggen: big $ |
| 21:56.46 | TuxProbe | arw hehe |
| 21:57.09 | AStorm | TuxProbe: gbet better headers then |
| 21:57.19 | Veggen | lcuk: probably :P |
| 21:57.29 | AStorm | ah right |
| 21:57.47 | Veggen | lcux: companys home access solution is citrix based. |
| 21:58.43 | lcuk | then i guess you are out of the loop |
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| 22:00.56 | TuxProbe | i think iwe seen reports on mingw-gcc cross-compiling for arm |
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| 22:02.06 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 22:02.19 | AStorm | canadian cross anyone? |
| 22:03.42 | elb | the old standalone citrix clients were ARM, I think |
| 22:04.02 | elb | not that that's relevant to the discussion ;-) |
| 22:04.23 | AStorm | will now kill the ccache |
| 22:04.37 | AStorm | If that broke stuff, argh |
| 22:04.58 | AStorm | rebuilding gcc and glibc now w/o it |
| 22:05.34 | Veggen | elb: well. there exists a java client that can be used. guess java plugins in the browser will happen first. |
| 22:05.52 | TuxProbe | damn... off to completely restructure my perfectly hierachial setup for c++ into ansi c :-/ |
| 22:05.56 | Veggen | (solution is web-based) |
| 22:06.00 | AStorm | port classpath :P |
| 22:06.17 | TuxProbe | started in C, then went gtkmm, now turning back hehe |
| 22:06.20 | AStorm | and icedtea |
| 22:06.58 | TuxProbe | and enjoy ;( |
| 22:07.02 | TuxProbe | oups :-) |
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| 22:10.13 | AStorm | he died due to caffeine overdose |
| 22:10.18 | AStorm | :P |
| 22:10.23 | lcuk | mourning for c |
| 22:11.19 | AStorm | heh, I'm getting some segfaults... |
| 22:11.27 | AStorm | blames the kernel |
| 22:11.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:11.49 | AStorm | and the filesystem (more probable) |
| 22:12.04 | AStorm | some = hal and fixincl |
| 22:12.14 | KotCzarny | good time to start thinking about trying another distro? |
| 22:12.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:12.27 | AStorm | nevah!!!11 |
| 22:12.37 | AStorm | gentoo again |
| 22:12.38 | KotCzarny | we will see, we will see.. |
| 22:12.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:13.20 | AStorm | I blame btrfs :P |
| 22:13.27 | AStorm | and my ricing |
| 22:13.29 | KotCzarny | btrfs? |
| 22:13.35 | AStorm | ya |
| 22:13.43 | AStorm | google for it |
| 22:14.38 | KotCzarny | butter? |
| 22:14.40 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 22:16.34 | skibur | I'm on Slackware!!!! |
| 22:16.38 | KotCzarny | until it goes into kernel tree i will be vary |
| 22:17.17 | KotCzarny | skibur: lucky slacker you are |
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| 22:31.26 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:31.37 | KotCzarny | is there any ppt viewer/extractor for linux? |
| 22:31.52 | KotCzarny | (smaller than 10mb) |
| 22:32.40 | lcuk | how about running it through google? alternatively install office :P |
| 22:32.58 | lcuk | or do you mean on the 8x0 |
| 22:33.01 | Robot101 | ppthtml claims to change ppt files to html |
| 22:33.08 | Robot101 | from the xlhtml source package |
| 22:33.11 | KotCzarny | let's see |
| 22:34.14 | Robot101 | catdoc claims to do something similar but to text |
| 22:34.50 | KotCzarny | i simply hate everyone putting images into ppts |
| 22:34.57 | KotCzarny | if zip wasn't enough |
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| 22:35.14 | KotCzarny | ppt should be zip containing files + simple script |
| 22:35.16 | lcuk | no, you HAVE to run executable code from an email |
| 22:35.51 | lcuk | and how can you get those lovely slide effects to work in the console? |
| 22:36.14 | lcuk | isnt there a new ppt -> pptx? or is that just docx? |
| 22:38.31 | AStorm | pdf presentations are much better |
| 22:38.44 | KotCzarny | bash: ./nspptview: /bin/csh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 22:38.46 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 22:38.55 | KotCzarny | let's correct that script |
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| 22:42.14 | jott | or just use openoffice to convert them to pdf .. this can be done without gui interaction :) |
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| 22:42.34 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 22:42.54 | KotCzarny | it's like using photoshop to convert tiff to png |
| 22:42.56 | KotCzarny | etc. |
| 22:43.05 | jott | erm? yeah right ;) |
| 22:43.13 | AStorm | ppttopdf? |
| 22:43.21 | KotCzarny | what package? |
| 22:44.01 | AStorm | nonexistent |
| 22:44.12 | jott | script that invokes oo :) |
| 22:44.19 | KotCzarny | shrugs again |
| 22:44.41 | KotCzarny | anything lightweight? |
| 22:45.03 | KotCzarny | i remember writing simple util to find jpegs by their magic |
| 22:45.07 | KotCzarny | but it's wrong, a little |
| 22:45.08 | jott | kpresenter? ;) |
| 22:45.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:45.22 | KotCzarny | kpresenter means installing kdebase at least |
| 22:45.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:45.23 | AStorm | kwhatever? |
| 22:45.38 | AStorm | kdiethx - neew kde package |
| 22:45.51 | AStorm | *new |
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| 22:50.15 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:50.21 | KotCzarny | ppthtml only extracts text |
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| 22:52.25 | AStorm | night people (central europe) |
| 22:52.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:59.23 | lcuk | how do i impliment a timer in x? ie i want a tick event after a specified period |
| 23:00.01 | KotCzarny | sigalarm? |
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| 23:00.28 | KotCzarny | select? |
| 23:00.38 | lcuk | i dont know - im used to dropping a timer on a control and getting its Timer() event :$ |
| 23:01.06 | jott | lcuk: you insist on not using toolkits - that's the price ;) |
| 23:01.10 | lcuk | i dont wanna race around updating the screen at full speed, but i want to put a clock |
| 23:01.21 | KotCzarny | lcuk: usleep? |
| 23:01.22 | KotCzarny | ;)) |
| 23:01.25 | lcuk | i dont care about toolkits - if there is an agnostic approach |
| 23:01.59 | jott | gtk and qt provide all this in a convenient way :) |
| 23:02.10 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:02.18 | KotCzarny | but we do not want any deps |
| 23:02.34 | lcuk | but x is a dep |
| 23:02.36 | jott | ehe yeah X11 deps are evil .P |
| 23:02.38 | lcuk | and so is xv |
| 23:02.51 | lcuk | (and for now sdl is :P) |
| 23:03.05 | lcuk | is hunting for something as we speak to rectify that |
| 23:03.19 | lcuk | oh - and ttf font thingy is |
| 23:03.33 | lcuk | and the kitchen sink |
| 23:04.12 | lcuk | is gonna rip out the sdl requirement and use hand drawn fonts ;) |
| 23:04.55 | jott | lcuk: write a ebook reader as a kernel module ;) |
| 23:04.56 | lcuk | KotCzarny, thx for the usleep hint |
| 23:05.03 | KotCzarny | lcuk: lol |
| 23:05.09 | KotCzarny | lcuk: use select |
| 23:05.10 | lcuk | well, i did start by talking to omapfb :P |
| 23:05.17 | KotCzarny | this way at least you can grab user input |
| 23:05.32 | lcuk | select? |
| 23:05.35 | KotCzarny | man select |
| 23:05.41 | jott | insmod liquidreader.ko book=foo.txt ;) |
| 23:06.17 | KotCzarny | ioctl(/dev/liq, foo.txt) |
| 23:06.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:06.22 | lcuk | nahhh - too interactive, why not make it a filesystem |
| 23:07.02 | lcuk | configure which book to read with lilo and select at boottime :) |
| 23:07.21 | KotCzarny | random fortune instead of nokia's logo? |
| 23:07.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:07.35 | lcuk | "sticking power" - you HAVE to read the next n pages before OS loads |
| 23:07.49 | KotCzarny | forced education |
| 23:07.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:08.06 | jott | yeah with a quiz at the end to test if your REALLY read the pages ;) |
| 23:08.09 | jott | you |
| 23:08.13 | lcuk | ive stepped back from the reader by the way :) |
| 23:08.26 | lcuk | that is just a module of a bigger picture |
| 23:08.31 | KotCzarny | 'your score today: 68%, no you can't use computer today, go back to books!' |
| 23:08.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:09.40 | lcuk | that would be tonnes better than microsofts genuine advantage - it would remove the riff raff from the internet |
| 23:10.11 | jaska | genuine disadvantage |
| 23:10.25 | lcuk | starts to look at what works on touchscreen |
| 23:10.26 | KotCzarny | genuine disability |
| 23:11.01 | lcuk | they put the nails in their own coffin |
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| 23:19.05 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:19.15 | KotCzarny | patent on downloading jpeg images from the net |
| 23:19.16 | KotCzarny | LOL |
| 23:19.38 | jaska | patent failure |
| 23:20.09 | KotCzarny | patents are evil. |
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| 23:20.51 | dospod | hey does anybody know how to develop maemo apps in os x |
| 23:21.09 | KotCzarny | dospod: if you have intel based mac you can try vmware image |
| 23:21.42 | dospod | I do but im low on hd space : \ |
| 23:21.44 | KotCzarny | or just buy cheap pentium3 box |
| 23:21.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 23:22.15 | dospod | I have a p4 in the closet |
| 23:22.22 | dospod | but my router is in my other room |
| 23:25.47 | KotCzarny | if you're desperate you can try compiling on your tablet |
| 23:26.22 | KotCzarny | or some remote shell account |
| 23:26.29 | KotCzarny | that you have root access |
| 23:26.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:27.37 | edugof | hi |
| 23:27.57 | edugof | i need help with rotate screen |
| 23:28.03 | KotCzarny | what kind of help? |
| 23:28.14 | edugof | i flashed the kernel, and installed xomap and the applet, but i can't rotate it |
| 23:28.24 | edugof | i can't see the applet |
| 23:28.35 | KotCzarny | what os? |
| 23:28.38 | edugof | and if i try in terminal xrandr i getXlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". RandR extension missing |
| 23:28.45 | edugof | n800 with os2008 |
| 23:28.51 | KotCzarny | also, have you restarted the device? |
| 23:28.56 | edugof | yes |
| 23:29.00 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:29.03 | edugof | and i tried two patched kernels |
| 23:29.09 | KotCzarny | weird |
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| 23:29.17 | edugof | i installed the xomap with the red pilled mode |
| 23:29.23 | edugof | and everything was ok |
| 23:29.31 | edugof | :( |
| 23:29.45 | edugof | any idea? |
| 23:29.50 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:30.25 | KotCzarny | only thing that comes to my mind is that you're running wrong kernel |
| 23:30.40 | edugof | hum |
| 23:30.50 | edugof | i tried ones from sse2.net, and ones that i found on forums |
| 23:31.01 | KotCzarny | sse2.net should be enough |
| 23:31.01 | edugof | that was posted by qwerty |
| 23:31.14 | edugof | and if i try in terminal uname -a |
| 23:31.25 | edugof | i can see that it is the right kernel |
| 23:31.42 | KotCzarny | then it's xomap |
| 23:32.02 | edugof | Linux Nokia N-800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 |
| 23:32.08 | edugof | i think that's the patched kernel |
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| 23:34.00 | edugof | i need to do anymore after flash the kernel? |
| 23:34.06 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:34.11 | edugof | hum... |
| 23:34.14 | edugof | :( |
| 23:34.28 | KotCzarny | try reinstalling xomap anyway.. |
| 23:34.37 | edugof | omg |
| 23:34.40 | KotCzarny | 'if at first you don't succeed...' |
| 23:34.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.41 | edugof | it runs... |
| 23:34.44 | edugof | it was the kernel! |
| 23:34.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:34.52 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 23:34.54 | edugof | hehehe |
| 23:35.02 | KotCzarny | my cat senses were right again |
| 23:35.02 | edugof | ty KotCzarny anyway |
| 23:35.04 | edugof | :P |
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| 23:35.20 | edugof | jajaja |
| 23:35.23 | edugof | :P |
| 23:35.30 | KotCzarny | ph34r m3 :P |
| 23:35.49 | edugof | :P |
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| 23:38.56 | Cerros | is away: Cerros(R) No Esta... |
| 23:41.21 | edugof | i think for surfing is better |
| 23:41.24 | edugof | the screen rotated |
| 23:41.29 | edugof | but for normal apps sucks |
| 23:41.42 | KotCzarny | btw. you can drag menu bar |
| 23:41.44 | KotCzarny | as in windows |
| 23:41.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:42.00 | edugof | how? |
| 23:42.09 | KotCzarny | have you ever used windows ? |
| 23:42.12 | KotCzarny | m$ windows |
| 23:42.14 | edugof | haha yes |
| 23:42.22 | KotCzarny | how do you drag the taskbar? |
| 23:42.28 | edugof | mm yes |
| 23:42.33 | edugof | AH! |
| 23:42.35 | edugof | i see |
| 23:42.36 | edugof | hahaha |
| 23:42.39 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 23:42.44 | edugof | ty |
| 23:42.44 | edugof | :P |
| 23:43.00 | KotCzarny | rotating is unsupported |
| 23:43.04 | KotCzarny | and not for everyone |
| 23:43.23 | KotCzarny | but i prefer it enabled with some quirks than not having it at all |
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| 23:43.29 | edugof | i see |
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| 23:45.43 | edugof | arf canola is rare |
| 23:45.53 | edugof | some items disapear for the screen |
| 23:45.56 | KotCzarny | nag them |
| 23:46.05 | KotCzarny | they probably doesn't know about rotation |
| 23:46.15 | edugof | yes |
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