| 00:02.09 | AStorm | elb: suck more |
| 00:02.15 | AStorm | multipage books |
| 00:02.33 | AStorm | no nice go to function |
| 00:02.54 | AStorm | sorry for pl scales |
| 00:02.58 | koyote | damn. this one simply doesn't want to pair |
| 00:03.08 | AStorm | should've been 1:75000 |
| 00:03.19 | AStorm | koyote: keep trying |
| 00:03.33 | AStorm | check if you enabled bt hid |
| 00:03.39 | *** join/#maemo pdz- (n=paul@135.14.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 00:03.41 | AStorm | (in control panel) |
| 00:03.55 | lcuk | koyote what kind of kb is it |
| 00:03.59 | KotCzarny | koyote: :) |
| 00:07.17 | AStorm | actually, lev. 4 is 1 cm to 115 m or so |
| 00:07.29 | AStorm | real overkill |
| 00:07.47 | AStorm | can pinpoint my pos. with gps in a building |
| 00:08.25 | AStorm | (close to a window ofc) |
| 00:09.05 | lcuk | (3 hours of holding aloft your sacrificial 810 and praying to the skygods) |
| 00:09.56 | AStorm | nope |
| 00:10.09 | AStorm | first lock took 20 min |
| 00:10.13 | AStorm | :P |
| 00:10.22 | AStorm | second took 20 s |
| 00:10.36 | AStorm | nice improvement |
| 00:10.53 | AStorm | needs a clear shot at the sky |
| 00:11.40 | AStorm | wider the view looking up a device, the better |
| 00:11.53 | jaska | gps lock with a n810 in 20s? |
| 00:12.03 | lcuk | yes, after the first time it will do |
| 00:12.05 | jaska | pinches himself, i must be in a dream |
| 00:12.07 | AStorm | well,that was after a loss |
| 00:12.13 | lcuk | its that first time thats a killer thouhg |
| 00:12.24 | AStorm | normal one is like 2 min |
| 00:12.31 | AStorm | ya |
| 00:12.51 | AStorm | needs to build a kind of db of sats |
| 00:12.53 | lcuk | if you only need to use it once on a journey then your bolloxed |
| 00:12.58 | AStorm | no |
| 00:13.07 | AStorm | once in an area |
| 00:13.11 | KotCzarny | unless you're lost in the wilderness |
| 00:13.11 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:13.17 | AStorm | it remembers sats |
| 00:13.43 | lcuk | yes but then we get onto the other 810 problem - randomly flattening yourself |
| 00:13.44 | AStorm | if you'rre walking it won't lose the lock, or regain it very quick |
| 00:13.54 | AStorm | lol |
| 00:13.55 | lcuk | nobody has 30 minutes to prepare the gps |
| 00:14.13 | AStorm | you need to do it once in a rough area |
| 00:14.20 | AStorm | once since format |
| 00:14.30 | lcuk | no, once since reboot |
| 00:14.35 | AStorm | nope |
| 00:14.38 | AStorm | checked |
| 00:14.41 | lcuk | and since battery flattens itself regularly |
| 00:14.50 | AStorm | it stores the data |
| 00:15.02 | lcuk | then why the fuck cant i ever get a quick lock |
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| 00:15.14 | AStorm | lcuk... no idea |
| 00:15.14 | KotCzarny | cular repository. |
| 00:15.17 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 00:15.31 | AStorm | I'm talking abou maemo-mapper |
| 00:16.00 | AStorm | maybe your sats moved |
| 00:16.01 | lcuk | if i spend 1/2 hour getting a lock then turn off map and turn off gps and try reconnecting later its like a normal gps |
| 00:16.05 | AStorm | US? |
| 00:16.12 | lcuk | uk |
| 00:16.21 | lcuk | our satellites are more refined |
| 00:16.25 | lcuk | they drink tea |
| 00:16.30 | AStorm | maybe someone moved sats? |
| 00:16.38 | lcuk | they are moving always |
| 00:16.41 | WormFood | lcuk, and talk in a funny modulation |
| 00:16.43 | AStorm | nah |
| 00:16.55 | lcuk | yeah, especially the liverpudlian gps |
| 00:17.06 | AStorm | they're LEO, right? |
| 00:17.12 | lcuk | ahem - yes, gps is not geostationary |
| 00:17.27 | WormFood | I met a guy from the UK a few days ago....he said he was from the UK, and I said I couldn't tell from his accent (I was being sarcastic) |
| 00:17.35 | AStorm | they change every few weeks |
| 00:17.42 | lcuk | no, they change every minute |
| 00:17.55 | AStorm | about 2 deg sky a day |
| 00:18.03 | WormFood | gps can't be geostationary to cover the entire planet |
| 00:18.20 | lcuk | they rotate the earth twice daily |
| 00:18.33 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System |
| 00:18.34 | AStorm | yep |
| 00:18.35 | WormFood | just like satellite phone satellites can't be geostationary too |
| 00:18.58 | lcuk | thats a different issue though - lag |
| 00:19.00 | AStorm | but you'll note they move hnriz. fairly slowly |
| 00:19.01 | WormFood | lcuk, I have to use a VPN to see wikipedia :( |
| 00:19.30 | AStorm | or was that vertically |
| 00:19.46 | AStorm | so once you see all these, should be great |
| 00:20.10 | lcuk | no, there are multiple planes |
| 00:20.20 | AStorm | yes |
| 00:20.21 | lcuk | 3 circular obrits |
| 00:20.34 | AStorm | no problem too |
| 00:20.49 | AStorm | note they rotate out of phase |
| 00:21.07 | AStorm | so chance you catch what you know increases a lot |
| 00:22.35 | lcuk | ok, lets get back to the point. the gps in my 810 is shit and cannot be relied upon when its needed (first time, ymmv). a good gps wipes the floor with it and locks MUCH faster |
| 00:22.49 | AStorm | yup |
| 00:23.07 | AStorm | probably someone could overdrive it |
| 00:23.39 | lcuk | i am hoping a software fix could at least make it work - like keeping the almanac and using it without having to relock |
| 00:23.42 | AStorm | scrfew FCC |
| 00:23.43 | AStorm | it just has tooo low sensitivity |
| 00:24.19 | AStorm | maemo, cpu rape by mapper :P |
| 00:25.18 | lcuk | you overdrive transmitters, theres usually nothing you can do to increase sensitivity - unless maybe putting 810 in a wok and leaving it on window |
| 00:26.04 | AStorm | hehe, nay |
| 00:26.15 | AStorm | increase receivers voltage |
| 00:26.25 | AStorm | usually increases senc. |
| 00:26.31 | AStorm | sens. |
| 00:27.10 | AStorm | or burns it :P |
| 00:27.16 | lcuk | i thought that would just increase noise - unless you are actively doing something to clean up the signal pumping up the noise wont help |
| 00:27.30 | AStorm | no, it will improve SNR |
| 00:27.38 | AStorm | in its amp |
| 00:27.41 | lcuk | thats like increasing the volume of an untuned tv |
| 00:27.53 | lcuk | you just make the snow louder |
| 00:28.01 | AStorm | signal too |
| 00:28.59 | lcuk | severly doubt that logic without adding filters inline or improving the antenna |
| 00:29.24 | AStorm | the problem is lack of sens. and not noise |
| 00:29.58 | lcuk | but they go hand in hand - sensitivity is ability to extract a clean signal from the noise |
| 00:30.10 | *** join/#maemo pupnik (n=pupnik@dslb-088-068-099-174.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:30.21 | AStorm | it can't grayes and no |
| 00:30.23 | lcuk | wb pupnik |
| 00:30.49 | AStorm | actually, the real fix is logarithmic amp addition |
| 00:31.13 | AStorm | that amps strong signal more strongly |
| 00:31.41 | AStorm | = compressor |
| 00:31.49 | AStorm | cheap and effective |
| 00:32.25 | AStorm | but I'm not feeling real electronic-fu and wealthy enough right now |
| 00:32.37 | lcuk | what we dont know is if the forma factor and circuit board location chosen by nokia is susceptable to internal noise and no matter what you do you are working with dirty signals |
| 00:32.55 | AStorm | it?s not |
| 00:33.01 | AStorm | top left corner |
| 00:33.02 | lcuk | we dont know that |
| 00:33.10 | lcuk | is it better with keyboard out? |
| 00:33.10 | AStorm | we know that :P |
| 00:33.20 | AStorm | the other way |
| 00:33.35 | AStorm | with keys hidden |
| 00:33.36 | lcuk | no, we know where it is - but we dont know if RF given off by the screen or the ambient sensor or other electronic around |
| 00:33.54 | AStorm | is not according to my meter |
| 00:34.02 | WormFood | can anyone tell me the dhcp client process in the N800? what is being called when? It makes a connection to the WAP, but it will not retrieve an IP |
| 00:34.07 | AStorm | too quiet for my indicator |
| 00:34.29 | AStorm | WormFood: it's udhcp |
| 00:34.32 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.37 | AStorm | ya |
| 00:34.49 | WormFood | thanks KotCzarny |
| 00:34.50 | AStorm | sucky client |
| 00:35.02 | KotCzarny | but works |
| 00:35.04 | AStorm | need real dhclient |
| 00:35.07 | WormFood | a worthless piece of shit client is what it is....because it does not work most of the time |
| 00:35.09 | KotCzarny | it's a part of busybox afair |
| 00:35.19 | AStorm | udhcp fails with buggy servers |
| 00:35.23 | KotCzarny | heh. |
| 00:35.26 | WormFood | bullshit! |
| 00:35.27 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nope |
| 00:35.29 | KotCzarny | then it's buggy servers' fail |
| 00:35.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:35.33 | lcuk | have we got internal 810 pictures yet? |
| 00:35.35 | WormFood | it WAS working, then to stops for NO GOD DAMN REASON! |
| 00:35.40 | AStorm | KotCzarny: MS fail |
| 00:35.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:35.53 | AStorm | WormFood: see what i mean? |
| 00:35.54 | KotCzarny | has openwrt |
| 00:36.06 | lcuk | is that contaigous? |
| 00:36.15 | KotCzarny | quite |
| 00:36.17 | WormFood | it WAS working with my WTR54G, then for no reason, it just quit working one day |
| 00:36.36 | WormFood | and that is not a typo...WTR54G, NOT a WRT54G |
| 00:36.37 | AStorm | WormFood: remove conn and readd it |
| 00:36.51 | WormFood | AStorm, that does not work |
| 00:36.59 | AStorm | here it did |
| 00:37.05 | KotCzarny | what's a wtr54g? |
| 00:37.06 | lcuk | does the ap work for other devices |
| 00:37.06 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 00:37.08 | WormFood | it won't even work if I give it a static IP, because it won't work with the default gateway |
| 00:37.10 | AStorm | let the router expire the session first |
| 00:37.14 | AStorm | or remoove it |
| 00:37.22 | *** join/#maemo Pio (n=sean@75-23-175-131.lightspeed.sagsca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:37.24 | WormFood | the routers have been rebooted |
| 00:37.34 | WormFood | there is no way it is holding an old session |
| 00:37.37 | AStorm | and the conn removed? |
| 00:37.39 | KotCzarny | they can store cache anyway.. |
| 00:37.44 | AStorm | ya |
| 00:37.47 | WormFood | KotCzarny, it is a travel router...check it out |
| 00:37.48 | KotCzarny | if /var is on flash |
| 00:38.05 | AStorm | dhclient pwns udhcp |
| 00:38.11 | AStorm | I want a build |
| 00:38.20 | johnx | WormFood, maybe set it to static in the GUI connection manager and run udhcpc from the command line to debug? |
| 00:38.25 | WormFood | I have reflashed my N800 with the latest OS2008 because my unit does not turn on many times |
| 00:38.44 | WormFood | I shouldn't have to debug it, it should work out of the box |
| 00:38.49 | AStorm | WormFood: there's a fix for that in new kernel |
| 00:38.54 | AStorm | oscillator problem |
| 00:39.02 | WormFood | yes, I know...that is why I upgraded |
| 00:39.10 | WormFood | that is why downgrading is so painful for me |
| 00:39.18 | johnx | WormFood, do you want our help debugging or do you just want to complain to us? |
| 00:39.24 | WormFood | the first time I had that problem was on a 15 hour airplane flight |
| 00:40.02 | johnx | the latest firmware 51-3 does not change anything besides the bootloader compared to 50-2, so it probably isn't the problem |
| 00:40.08 | WormFood | johnx, I just want it to work....I'll debug it if I need to, but I really don't want to |
| 00:40.39 | WormFood | yeah, I know, the newest was nothing more than the bootloader, but I was hoping they fixed something else in it, and just didn't report it....so much for hoping |
| 00:40.42 | KotCzarny | wormfood, it probably generates some logs.. |
| 00:41.07 | KotCzarny | or not |
| 00:41.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:41.10 | WormFood | I have much better things to do with my time than to debug this....but I will debug it if that is what it takes |
| 00:41.15 | KotCzarny | i think syslog is needed |
| 00:41.31 | WormFood | I rather doubt it generates logs....but I could be wrong....I was wrong once before |
| 00:41.36 | WormFood | but then found out I was mistaken |
| 00:41.37 | *** join/#maemo Tama^2 (n=me@ip-118-90-51-155.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 00:41.41 | johnx | WormFood, just make the connection static and run udhcpc -i wlan0 from the CLI...it's not that bad |
| 00:41.45 | lcuk | wormfood - it does work out of the box - n800 was designed and supplied with os2007 |
| 00:41.54 | KotCzarny | try running udhcpc by hand? |
| 00:42.13 | WormFood | lcuk, actually, I downgraded to OS2007 last night, and while it claims to get an IP, it also does not work |
| 00:42.37 | WormFood | KotCzarny, no...because every time it claims it can't get an IP, I can't use the CLI on it |
| 00:42.40 | johnx | WormFood, I know you think it's the N800 but I have had similar weird experiences with routers |
| 00:42.48 | *** join/#maemo tjafk1 (i=timj@e176202097.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:42.50 | WormFood | I would use SSH, but it is hard when I can't get an IP |
| 00:42.58 | lcuk | do other devices connected to the ap have problems? |
| 00:43.03 | WormFood | I think the N800 is defective |
| 00:43.21 | WormFood | no, of course not, everything else works perfectly when connected to these routers |
| 00:43.30 | johnx | then ask Nokia for an RMA... |
| 00:43.41 | WormFood | an RMA will be very hard for me |
| 00:43.42 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 00:43.44 | WormFood | I'm in China |
| 00:43.51 | johnx | but if you are willing to pull up "X terminal" for like 10 seconds you could be sure |
| 00:43.53 | WormFood | my receipt for my N800 is in Florida |
| 00:44.31 | WormFood | johnx, most of the time it tells me that wlan0 does not exist (even when I can see it with iwconfig and ifconfig) |
| 00:44.51 | lcuk | never had to enter console ever to play with router settings :S |
| 00:45.13 | johnx | lcuk, obviously you lead a blessed existence... |
| 00:45.23 | KotCzarny | too |
| 00:45.25 | johnx | WormFood, also, why did you say a static IP address wasn't working? |
| 00:45.26 | lcuk | i just believe in the simplest approach |
| 00:45.31 | KotCzarny | openwrt is quite nice in this area |
| 00:45.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:45.46 | WormFood | I set the static IP, but I still can't reach the internet |
| 00:45.51 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 00:45.54 | WormFood | it appears to not be setting the default gatway |
| 00:45.56 | WormFood | gateway |
| 00:46.02 | KotCzarny | maybe it's burnt? |
| 00:46.14 | KotCzarny | route -n ? |
| 00:46.15 | lcuk | fill gateway with router address |
| 00:46.20 | KotCzarny | use pc's dhcp? |
| 00:46.28 | lcuk | cos - that IS your gateway - its not the one your isp provides |
| 00:46.30 | KotCzarny | ie. run dhcpd on lin/win ? |
| 00:46.39 | WormFood | I should not need to do that |
| 00:46.43 | KotCzarny | try first |
| 00:46.43 | WormFood | it should work out of the box |
| 00:46.47 | KotCzarny | if it solves the problem |
| 00:47.05 | KotCzarny | then you will know it's something about router/udhcpc |
| 00:47.15 | johnx | KotCzarny, running dhcpd on different box is probably a little more than is necessary for this |
| 00:47.20 | WormFood | it is NOT a problem with the router, the problem is on the N800 |
| 00:47.38 | Tama^2 | WormFood: if you set a static IP address then no device will be able to figure out what the default GW is unless you tell it |
| 00:47.40 | johnx | WormFood, what kind of signal are you getting on the N800? |
| 00:47.42 | lcuk | worm - are you leaving the gateway blank? if so just try putting the router ip into it |
| 00:47.44 | WormFood | if I have to carry around my laptop to use the N800, I just won't use the N800 at all |
| 00:47.50 | KotCzarny | johnx: checking different solutions helps finding the source |
| 00:47.54 | KotCzarny | of the problems |
| 00:47.54 | WormFood | johnx, I'm sitting next to the AP, I get full signal |
| 00:48.16 | WormFood | Tama^2, I know what the default gateway is on the router here |
| 00:48.21 | KotCzarny | wormfood: run tcpdump and see if n800 transmits anything? |
| 00:48.31 | WormFood | setting a static IP is not a viable solution for random APs when I'm out and about |
| 00:48.43 | johnx | WormFood, have you tried the N800 on any other AP? |
| 00:48.44 | lcuk | no, but lets just see if it can work now |
| 00:48.52 | AStorm | hehe |
| 00:48.59 | lcuk | proving a single case will test the electronics |
| 00:49.04 | WormFood | as soon as I connect my laptop to a wired connection, I will run wireshark and/or kismet |
| 00:49.10 | AStorm | it's because of udhcp having random mood |
| 00:49.21 | lcuk | at home i need to set fixed ips at work its automatic |
| 00:49.21 | WormFood | johnx, any time I am somewhere for a very short period of time (like waiting for the bus) it works |
| 00:49.32 | WormFood | anytime I'm somewhere for a few hours or a few days, it does not work |
| 00:49.42 | WormFood | I swear this thing has a "critical use detector" in it |
| 00:49.47 | johnx | heh |
| 00:50.07 | lcuk | well, now we know what free hardware it has ;) |
| 00:50.19 | WormFood | oh yeah |
| 00:50.23 | WormFood | and another thing |
| 00:50.40 | WormFood | when I enable encryption on my WTR54G, then my N800 will work |
| 00:50.52 | WormFood | as soon as I disable encryption it will not get an IP |
| 00:51.02 | johnx | ahh...that is interesting |
| 00:51.08 | WormFood | very |
| 00:51.14 | lcuk | so hang on here - you are shouting long and hard about it not working, but you already have a way to get it working |
| 00:51.16 | WormFood | because it makes no god damn sense |
| 00:51.20 | AStorm | I've to wire light-detect with some app |
| 00:51.24 | WormFood | no I do not have a way to get it working |
| 00:51.29 | AStorm | maybe alarm? |
| 00:51.30 | WormFood | how do I use it at the bus stop? |
| 00:51.39 | AStorm | to wire me to light cycle |
| 00:51.40 | johnx | you said it works at the bus stop... |
| 00:51.41 | AStorm | :P |
| 00:51.42 | WormFood | I can't go around changing people's APs |
| 00:51.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:51.48 | WormFood | sometimes |
| 00:51.49 | lcuk | different routers are a different issue |
| 00:51.51 | AStorm | nah, counterproductive |
| 00:51.57 | WormFood | it is completely random where it does not work |
| 00:52.00 | lcuk | >>> at home i need to set fixed ips at work its automatic <<< |
| 00:52.00 | AStorm | ya |
| 00:52.04 | *** join/#maemo E78C8EE4BABA (n=E78C8EE4@c-76-99-1-111.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 00:52.07 | WormFood | IT NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM FOR THE FIRST MONTH I HAD IT |
| 00:52.09 | AStorm | it's udhcp being fail |
| 00:52.15 | WormFood | I mean NEVER had this problem |
| 00:52.17 | lcuk | lol @ gettin irate |
| 00:52.20 | *** join/#maemo errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:52.21 | WormFood | it connected to everything just fine |
| 00:52.27 | AStorm | WormFood: just lucky |
| 00:52.28 | KotCzarny | astorm: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2008pl/ |
| 00:52.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:52.35 | lcuk | which busstop does it work from? |
| 00:52.36 | AStorm | KotCzarny: !!! |
| 00:52.43 | AStorm | :D:D:D |
| 00:52.47 | KotCzarny | Registered: 2008-03-02 01:38 |
| 00:52.57 | KotCzarny | have you ever looked at garage.maemo.org ? |
| 00:52.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:53.02 | johnx | WormFood, usually the places where mine won't pick up an IP address from dhcp are places where it is close to out of range |
| 00:53.14 | AStorm | not for that |
| 00:53.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:53.18 | johnx | or where I'm getting lots of interference |
| 00:53.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, i just like to browse at random |
| 00:53.30 | WormFood | johnx, this is not even close to being out of range |
| 00:53.44 | KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/freeciv/ |
| 00:53.48 | KotCzarny | who asked about freeciv? |
| 00:53.54 | AStorm | blah trans |
| 00:54.02 | AStorm | need locale and keymap |
| 00:54.05 | WormFood | lcuk, it works form some random bus stop in Shenzhen |
| 00:54.13 | WormFood | the one under the bridge |
| 00:54.15 | KotCzarny | astorm: maybe it has those too |
| 00:54.20 | WormFood | you know which one I'm talking about? ;) |
| 00:54.25 | lcuk | wicked - when im passing ill remember :D |
| 00:54.27 | AStorm | wrong country then |
| 00:54.29 | *** join/#maemo Radar (n=Radar@ip68-10-25-94.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 00:55.55 | WormFood | I set a static IP and it STILL won't connect |
| 00:56.03 | WormFood | route -n shows the right gateway |
| 00:56.10 | lcuk | ok, so you flashed your device then set about forcing it to get an ip on your specific router - no doubt you delved deep and tweaked something or other to check. i personally think if you reset to defaults, use encryption at home and forget about it being a problem you will have more luck |
| 00:56.13 | AStorm | check if interface is up |
| 00:56.14 | johnx | alright, can you ping the gateway? |
| 00:56.18 | AStorm | and has an ip set |
| 00:56.28 | lcuk | tsince the busstop router is out of your control you cannot know that THEY didnt lock it down or disable ip |
| 00:56.42 | lopz | re |
| 00:56.45 | WormFood | yup, ping the gateway just fine |
| 00:57.03 | WormFood | lcuk, that is NOT a solution |
| 00:57.07 | johnx | from the N800? can you ping google from the N800? |
| 00:57.09 | WormFood | I did not buy this to use at home |
| 00:57.53 | WormFood | resolv.conf is not getting set properly now |
| 00:58.03 | lcuk | ok - lets move this foreward - at home you can get it to work and save details in its connection. out roaming - take 2 devices. check if both of them connect and get ips |
| 00:58.07 | johnx | WormFood, the tablet uses dnsmasq for DNS |
| 00:58.09 | WormFood | so, no, I can't ping google from their dns name |
| 00:58.34 | WormFood | lcuk, yes, my laptop connects, the N800 does not |
| 00:58.48 | AStorm | WormFood: want dns addr? |
| 00:58.55 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@121.229.69.145) |
| 00:59.03 | AStorm | ya, udhcp suckage |
| 00:59.38 | WormFood | I can ping my server on the internet when I use the IP address |
| 00:59.40 | *** join/#maemo Jsn0327 (n=User@12-205-172-117.client.mchsi.com) |
| 00:59.42 | WormFood | DNS will not resolve |
| 00:59.51 | lcuk | set DNS to router then as well |
| 00:59.52 | johnx | WormFood, cat /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 and tell me if it is correct |
| 01:00.04 | Jsn0327 | does anyone know if there is a smb file share browser for os2008? |
| 01:00.20 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 01:00.30 | johnx | Jsn0327, it's built in, but it can't access password protected shares |
| 01:00.47 | Jsn0327 | hmm |
| 01:00.51 | lcuk | bss aackwards |
| 01:00.51 | AStorm | blah |
| 01:00.58 | Jsn0327 | is there a add-on for the password protected shares? |
| 01:01.07 | WormFood | if I edit /etc/resolv.conf, it works |
| 01:01.08 | AStorm | nio, it's a bug |
| 01:01.10 | Jsn0327 | or another app to access them? |
| 01:01.19 | AStorm | Jsn0327: no |
| 01:01.25 | johnx | WormFood, is the DNS set in /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 correct? |
| 01:01.28 | AStorm | it's buggy |
| 01:01.38 | WormFood | johnx, it is blank |
| 01:01.44 | WormFood | the file exists, it is just empty |
| 01:01.46 | lcuk | astorm - i thought you could do some magic and make a symlink |
| 01:02.11 | lcuk | waves his hands about a bit |
| 01:02.16 | johnx | alright, and you set the correct DNS in the GUI of course? |
| 01:02.28 | WormFood | I didn't see any dns setting in the gui |
| 01:02.30 | AStorm | lcuk: talking about smb? |
| 01:02.35 | johnx | WormFood, aaaaah |
| 01:02.41 | lcuk | probably |
| 01:02.54 | johnx | I'll need to dig it up for you, since I just use dhcp here |
| 01:02.57 | johnx | gimme a sec |
| 01:03.01 | WormFood | looking for it again |
| 01:03.05 | WormFood | maybe I overlooked it |
| 01:03.10 | lcuk | its the advanced button on the last page |
| 01:03.12 | lcuk | i think |
| 01:03.18 | lcuk | connection wizard |
| 01:03.22 | WormFood | awww fuck! I overlooked it |
| 01:03.34 | WormFood | because when I go to edit it, it moves the dns off the page |
| 01:03.41 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:03.41 | lcuk | thinks back to his "simple approach" |
| 01:03.47 | WormFood | they killed dns, those fuckin' bastards! |
| 01:03.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:04.01 | *** join/#maemo ha1f (n=dforsyth@precision.student.umd.edu) |
| 01:04.46 | WormFood | ok, now I can surf the web with a static IP |
| 01:04.55 | WormFood | BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT SOVE THE PROBLEM |
| 01:05.09 | johnx | yeah but it PROVES THE HARDWARE ISN"T BROKEN |
| 01:05.12 | WormFood | how the fuck do I get dhcp to work now? |
| 01:05.15 | AStorm | KotCzarny: where do i get pl regional settings? |
| 01:05.17 | WormFood | I know the hardware isn't broken |
| 01:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, thank you, johnx. <_< |
| 01:05.21 | lcuk | when you have another ap to connect to just try and keep it simple and it may be configured to allow dhcp :) |
| 01:05.54 | lcuk | i have one connection thats static and one fixed - i never bothered to check why or diagnose i just got on with using them |
| 01:06.12 | lcuk | static + dynamic.. |
| 01:06.36 | KotCzarny | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/06/polish-locale-for-os2008/ |
| 01:06.49 | KotCzarny | 1st link in google |
| 01:07.27 | AStorm | is almost asleep |
| 01:07.31 | WormFood | this is fuckin' crazy |
| 01:08.13 | WormFood | I run "udhcpc -i wlan0" and I get "Sending discover..." a few times, then.... |
| 01:08.28 | johnx | is in suspense... |
| 01:08.29 | KotCzarny | wormfood: tcpdump |
| 01:08.30 | KotCzarny | :P) |
| 01:08.38 | WormFood | lease failed: |
| 01:08.52 | WormFood | zeroconf: address selected is 169.254.33.52 |
| 01:08.58 | KotCzarny | yah. |
| 01:09.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: you fail, it's udp |
| 01:09.00 | KotCzarny | zeroconf sux. |
| 01:09.06 | WormFood | another zeroconf line |
| 01:09.16 | KotCzarny | astorm: so what? udp is sniffable too |
| 01:09.21 | WormFood | then "bogus packet, options field is too long" |
| 01:09.27 | AStorm | but not with tcpdump |
| 01:09.34 | AStorm | ya, udhcp breakage |
| 01:09.40 | *** join/#maemo corq-FL (n=corq@197.138.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 01:09.46 | *** join/#maemo Tuco (n=Y@unaffiliated/tuco) |
| 01:09.49 | AStorm | you need a better dhcp client |
| 01:10.09 | KotCzarny | astorm: i have debugged dhcp with tcpdump |
| 01:10.12 | KotCzarny | many times |
| 01:10.29 | KotCzarny | anyway, have you looked at the link? |
| 01:10.36 | AStorm | it mishandles DHCPNAKs |
| 01:10.46 | AStorm | looking... |
| 01:11.00 | *** join/#maemo Synchronicity (n=Stick@unaffiliated/relate) |
| 01:11.46 | WormFood | so it is clear to me, that we need a "new" dhcp client on the n800 to make it work |
| 01:11.59 | KotCzarny | just compile/install it |
| 01:12.14 | KotCzarny | and modify scripts |
| 01:12.16 | lcuk | how come it works on mine though? |
| 01:12.22 | KotCzarny | or just name it udhcpc |
| 01:12.31 | KotCzarny | lcuk: your dhcpd behaves |
| 01:12.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:13.56 | johnx | hmm...I wonder which one is not following spec, his WTR54G or udhcpc |
| 01:14.17 | KotCzarny | i bet on wtr |
| 01:14.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:14.42 | johnx | yeah, linksys has made some truly craptastic firmware through the years |
| 01:14.53 | WormFood | maybe I should trade my N800 for one of these http://www.pmptoday.com/2008/01/07/pmpphone-from-somewhere-most-likely-china-looks-like-upmc-has-two-cameras/ |
| 01:15.16 | WormFood | johnx, I don't even have my router with me |
| 01:15.31 | WormFood | I'm using a "TP-LINK" router right now |
| 01:16.00 | johnx | ah |
| 01:16.02 | AStorm | KotCzarny: now i need a ukeyboard layout for de keyboard |
| 01:16.11 | AStorm | :) |
| 01:16.22 | KotCzarny | looks like a n800 copy |
| 01:16.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:16.24 | WormFood | Like I said...if I will be somewhere for a few hours or more, I can't get an IP address |
| 01:16.39 | WormFood | if I'm just passing through for a few minutes, it gets an IP just fine |
| 01:16.45 | WormFood | it is infuriating! |
| 01:16.53 | AStorm | WormFood: these are junk |
| 01:16.56 | KotCzarny | wormfood: it's open source, it's fixable |
| 01:17.00 | AStorm | non-linux? |
| 01:17.15 | WormFood | I swear I'm about ready to slam this piece of shit on the floor, and crush it under the heel of my foot |
| 01:17.16 | AStorm | WormFood: find a dhclient package |
| 01:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | Trade it, please, WormFood. :) |
| 01:17.26 | AStorm | then hack things to use that |
| 01:17.35 | lcuk | WormFood, spare your 800 - mail it to me - ill pay postage |
| 01:17.40 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:17.41 | johnx | WormFood, want me to try and help you work around it? |
| 01:18.18 | WormFood | johnx, only if it really works and gets an IP address from the dhcp server |
| 01:18.30 | WormFood | I don't want a "set a static IP solution" |
| 01:18.40 | AStorm | WormFood: sw problem |
| 01:18.42 | Tama^2 | I do not get why people would be willing to provide assistance when such attitude is displayed |
| 01:18.45 | AStorm | as I said |
| 01:18.48 | johnx | are you willing to test some stuff then, even though I'm not sure this will work? and are you willing to not SHOUT if it doesn't work? |
| 01:18.51 | AStorm | we need a dhclient |
| 01:18.55 | lcuk | actually, WormFood you might be better getting a different device. you want dependable, reliable hardware which works everywhere in a random environment - good luck with your search |
| 01:19.05 | KotCzarny | iphone? |
| 01:19.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | Amen, Tama^2. |
| 01:19.14 | AStorm | From ISC DHCP package |
| 01:19.17 | WormFood | lcuk, this did work before, it just isn't working now....it makes no sense |
| 01:19.38 | KotCzarny | wormfood: because you fiddled with it |
| 01:19.41 | AStorm | WormFood: makes |
| 01:19.43 | lcuk | but you are using a crappy router and have options available to fix them without having to install anything |
| 01:19.43 | KotCzarny | reflash! |
| 01:19.44 | johnx | WormFood, I'm still giving this even odds that it's actually your router doing something funny |
| 01:19.44 | WormFood | johnx, I don't have time to test this now, I have to leave soon....but yes, I'm willing to test it and work with it |
| 01:19.56 | AStorm | after the lease is expired, router sends NAKs |
| 01:20.02 | AStorm | for the old address |
| 01:20.02 | WormFood | KotCzarny, no, it is not because I fiddled with it....I'm a user on this, not a hacker on this |
| 01:20.04 | lcuk | out of the box now without installing anything you have connected |
| 01:20.10 | AStorm | and udhcp chokes on these |
| 01:20.15 | KotCzarny | user is worse than hacker |
| 01:20.27 | WormFood | I have not done anything to make this not work |
| 01:20.33 | WormFood | I even reloaded the firmware |
| 01:20.39 | AStorm | WormFood: ya not reading |
| 01:20.45 | johnx | WormFood, I'm still giving this even odds that it's actually your router doing something funny... |
| 01:20.49 | AStorm | ignoring me or what? |
| 01:20.50 | WormFood | AStorm, there is no expired lease |
| 01:20.50 | lcuk | but you are a hacker anyway - you run kismit |
| 01:21.04 | AStorm | wirm: there is a stored lease of udhcp |
| 01:21.16 | WormFood | lcuk, yes, I'm a hacker...but I did not get the n800 to hack |
| 01:21.18 | AStorm | WormFood: ^ |
| 01:21.34 | lcuk | then take it back and get an iphone |
| 01:21.36 | WormFood | AStorm, on a fresh firmware reload? |
| 01:21.46 | AStorm | you have to expire the lease and remove the connection |
| 01:21.56 | AStorm | WormFood: router |
| 01:22.07 | WormFood | I was never able to get an address from the router |
| 01:22.09 | AStorm | needs but a one bad connection |
| 01:22.15 | AStorm | udhcp will store it |
| 01:22.16 | WormFood | I reboot the router and it still does not get an IP |
| 01:22.26 | AStorm | too late |
| 01:22.31 | AStorm | first remove conn |
| 01:22.35 | WormFood | then how does that explain why it does not work with a random AP when I'm out and about? |
| 01:22.37 | AStorm | then flush the router |
| 01:22.44 | AStorm | then connect |
| 01:22.52 | AStorm | same reason |
| 01:23.01 | AStorm | tries an addr and gets a NAK |
| 01:23.15 | johnx | also different problems often have different causes |
| 01:23.18 | AStorm | happens with some routers which are dumb |
| 01:23.37 | WormFood | I seriously doubt my router is the root of the problem |
| 01:23.48 | AStorm | probably not |
| 01:23.50 | WormFood | ok, I deleted my connection, and I still can't get an IP |
| 01:23.53 | AStorm | udhcp brokenness is |
| 01:24.04 | KotCzarny | or both |
| 01:24.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:24.07 | lcuk | WormFood, is it at all possible that the routers you are connecting to are not giving out dhcp... or that they are private residential routers leaking data |
| 01:24.09 | WormFood | yes, I'm sure it is udhcp is broken |
| 01:24.14 | johnx | AStorm, is this a WONTFIX from the udhcpc guys? |
| 01:24.18 | AStorm | WormFood: and didn't flush sessions? Fail! |
| 01:24.27 | AStorm | johnx: who? |
| 01:24.35 | WormFood | lcuk, I guarantee the ones I'm having problems with are working and sending out dhcp info |
| 01:24.36 | AStorm | it has no devs afaicr |
| 01:24.41 | WormFood | because I connect with my laptop just fine |
| 01:24.56 | johnx | AStorm, so you're saying udhcpc is unmaintained? |
| 01:24.58 | WormFood | my laptop and other devices connect just fine...but not the n800 |
| 01:25.08 | WormFood | it appears that way johnx |
| 01:25.10 | AStorm | WormFood: and it uses Isc dhcp which only sends naks in nonauthoritative mode |
| 01:25.29 | AStorm | johnx: most likely |
| 01:25.34 | AStorm | or almost |
| 01:25.51 | AStorm | WormFood: I know the bug |
| 01:25.58 | johnx | goes off to see if anyone has patched this... |
| 01:26.01 | AStorm | it is the same on other machines |
| 01:26.22 | AStorm | johnx: gentoo doesn't have the patch... |
| 01:26.33 | AStorm | I guess no one has |
| 01:26.52 | AStorm | need dhclient |
| 01:26.56 | johnx | yeah...looking back I was probably running into this with my zaurus in 2004 or so... |
| 01:27.31 | johnx | it would be easier to wedge a new udhcpc in place rather than replace it with dhclient, though |
| 01:27.44 | AStorm | not much |
| 01:27.55 | WormFood | I don't ever remember my Zaurus having this type of problem |
| 01:27.57 | AStorm | just a few scripts to be tweaked afaicr |
| 01:28.05 | AStorm | WormFood: lucky |
| 01:28.07 | johnx | WormFood, which firmware did you use? |
| 01:28.10 | WormFood | now to be honest, I didn't try to use my Z everywhere |
| 01:28.45 | johnx | also keep in mind that I have been using my N800 all over the place and never ran into this problem |
| 01:29.05 | AStorm | it is fairly random |
| 01:29.13 | AStorm | you need to move a subnet |
| 01:29.31 | AStorm | that is, move froman unknown lease range |
| 01:29.48 | AStorm | unknown to the server |
| 01:29.56 | AStorm | then udhcp asks for it |
| 01:30.15 | AStorm | and gets NAKs correctly |
| 01:30.19 | johnx | AStorm, I'm seeing something relating to DHCPNAK in Debian's patch, but I'll have to look more thoroughly... |
| 01:30.33 | AStorm | but drops the packets it they have some opions |
| 01:30.44 | AStorm | ... :L |
| 01:30.49 | AStorm | :) |
| 01:31.00 | AStorm | options, even |
| 01:31.19 | AStorm | e.g. if it sends proper subnet data |
| 01:31.44 | AStorm | (dhcp std. doesn't specify that and doesn't forbid) |
| 01:32.50 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/dhclient.gz |
| 01:32.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:33.20 | AStorm | hehe |
| 01:33.38 | AStorm | 404 |
| 01:33.45 | AStorm | and make a deb |
| 01:34.52 | KotCzarny | 404? |
| 01:35.00 | KotCzarny | this cannot be |
| 01:35.05 | KotCzarny | ahm. |
| 01:35.10 | KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dhclient.gz |
| 01:35.13 | KotCzarny | sorry :) |
| 01:35.15 | AStorm | haha |
| 01:35.35 | AStorm | bad mime types |
| 01:35.39 | AStorm | :P |
| 01:36.13 | Proteous | bad mime, bad mime! |
| 01:36.30 | AStorm | yeah, killer mimes |
| 01:36.39 | lcuk | its not mime, its yours |
| 01:36.57 | Proteous | there's no mime like no mimes |
| 01:37.31 | KotCzarny | text/plain, interesting |
| 01:37.58 | lcuk | WARNING: mime field. |
| 01:38.02 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:38.06 | AStorm | lolä |
| 01:38.09 | KotCzarny | but i believe it's because no other extension other than .gz |
| 01:38.31 | AStorm | reminds me of a dexter's lab |
| 01:38.36 | Proteous | text/plain is not interesting at all, if fact it couldn't get any more boring |
| 01:38.37 | AStorm | with mimes |
| 01:38.44 | Proteous | it is a maximum boringness already |
| 01:38.47 | KotCzarny | yup. adding .exe.gz made it proper |
| 01:38.48 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:38.54 | WormFood | ok, I need to go now. thanks for your help guys...I'll be back later |
| 01:39.05 | AStorm | application/octet-stream is more boring |
| 01:39.10 | johnx | sure, just remember to leave the CAPS at home. :P |
| 01:39.12 | KotCzarny | wormfood: get your dhclient.gz with you! |
| 01:39.12 | *** join/#maemo greentux_ (n=lemke@Z4047.z.pppool.de) |
| 01:39.57 | AStorm | KotCzarny: make it a deb |
| 01:40.03 | johnx | I wonder if there is a way to hack around this with udhcpc by deleting the old lease if it and recalling udhcpc automatically if it fails... |
| 01:41.02 | johnx | s/if it a/if it gets a DHCPNAK a/g |
| 01:41.05 | AStorm | can't find the lease :P |
| 01:41.24 | johnx | I found the scripts it calls on a nak and on lease fail at least... |
| 01:41.27 | AStorm | it keeps them... somewhere |
| 01:41.37 | johnx | it should keep the lease in var I would think... |
| 01:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about investing a lot of time in a bad attitude. :\ |
| 01:42.04 | AStorm | brb |
| 01:42.29 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, actually this has probably caused me problems at public access points, but I always figured I was close to out of range... |
| 01:42.30 | jott | johnx: the source is with you! it sourrounds us and penetrates us! :) |
| 01:43.04 | johnx | jott, with any luck I can just slap a quick fix in udhcpc.leasefail and all it done. :D |
| 01:43.15 | AStorm | no |
| 01:43.18 | KotCzarny | johnx: ga is a troll with a bad attitude himself |
| 01:43.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:43.23 | AStorm | the bug is in the client |
| 01:43.39 | AStorm | you can at most hack nit around |
| 01:43.55 | johnx | AStorm, yeah, but if I have udhcpc.leasefail delete the old lease and call udhcpc again |
| 01:44.19 | johnx | not really a fix admittedly, but it should work for my purposes |
| 01:44.20 | jott | hehe infinite recursion? :) |
| 01:45.26 | WormFood | anything that makes it actually work would be acceptable |
| 01:45.27 | johnx | eh...I can just check for that in the script |
| 01:45.32 | WormFood | this problem affects a LOT of people |
| 01:46.55 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 01:47.55 | AStorm | where is the file? |
| 01:48.02 | KotCzarny | finds having nails is usefull with IT |
| 01:48.02 | johnx | I don't know... O_o |
| 01:48.14 | AStorm | getting the bug here reliably |
| 01:48.24 | AStorm | vs my router |
| 01:48.36 | johnx | ah, good |
| 01:48.37 | AStorm | and not vs my laptop (isc dhcp) |
| 01:49.00 | KotCzarny | astorm: did dhclient worked? |
| 01:49.07 | AStorm | checking |
| 01:49.32 | KotCzarny | it may be missing some scripts |
| 01:51.34 | KotCzarny | also watch out |
| 01:51.42 | KotCzarny | resolv.conf points to localhost |
| 01:51.48 | KotCzarny | probably for dnsmasq |
| 01:51.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:52.35 | AStorm | you tried to root me |
| 01:52.37 | AStorm | I'll kill,you now |
| 01:52.41 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 01:52.52 | KotCzarny | just remembered default dhclient behaviour |
| 01:52.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:04.48 | *** join/#maemo infobot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 03:04.48 | *** topic/#maemo is development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 03:05.03 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 03:05.07 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 03:05.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:05.16 | KotCzarny | they're kinda old by now |
| 03:05.20 | WorkingOnWise | :( |
| 03:05.31 | WorkingOnWise | they look so geek shiek |
| 03:05.39 | KotCzarny | in fact nice/quiet tablet will do you better |
| 03:05.55 | WorkingOnWise | for converting? |
| 03:06.00 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 03:06.22 | WorkingOnWise | u dont mean the N800/810's do you? |
| 03:06.35 | KotCzarny | more like pentium-m based tablet |
| 03:06.40 | WorkingOnWise | lol..ok... |
| 03:06.41 | KotCzarny | or coreduo |
| 03:07.19 | WorkingOnWise | so what ae the SGI's good for today? other that a noth in the geek belt |
| 03:07.23 | WorkingOnWise | notch |
| 03:07.32 | KotCzarny | education? |
| 03:07.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:08.00 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/11/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-price-drop-down-by-90/ Nokia N810 down to $331.49 with coupon (USA!) |
| 03:08.08 | WorkingOnWise | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 03:08.14 | KotCzarny | how one gets a coupon? |
| 03:08.19 | WorkingOnWise | I coulda sold the wife on that! |
| 03:08.36 | WorkingOnWise | I think I like the 800 better |
| 03:08.44 | WorkingOnWise | so I'll live |
| 03:08.47 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 03:09.04 | WorkingOnWise | I like the cam and the dual sd's |
| 03:09.32 | WorkingOnWise | is there an ap to modify the color quality on the N800? |
| 03:09.37 | KotCzarny | ah. included in the post |
| 03:09.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:10.08 | KotCzarny | all those price reductions look like a sale |
| 03:10.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:12.24 | elb | for that "cam" you like? |
| 03:12.37 | elb | I don't think so, they all seem to have the same problems and I see nothing but complaints ;-) |
| 03:12.47 | elb | (the 810 is the same) |
| 03:13.02 | WorkingOnWise | are they all too yellow? |
| 03:13.15 | elb | I believe so, yes |
| 03:13.17 | elb | I know mine is |
| 03:13.18 | WorkingOnWise | lol...yeah, for the cam I like |
| 03:13.27 | elb | and noisy as hell |
| 03:13.33 | WorkingOnWise | i like being able to turn it |
| 03:13.40 | WorkingOnWise | yeah it is |
| 03:13.51 | WorkingOnWise | but, for the purpose, it's good |
| 03:13.56 | WorkingOnWise | not great |
| 03:14.07 | KotCzarny | elb: i believe nice motionblur could take care of some noise |
| 03:14.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:14.08 | elb | I'm not sure what its purpose is |
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| 03:14.13 | elb | I vew the webcam as a gimmick |
| 03:14.28 | KotCzarny | 'better to have than not to' ? |
| 03:14.31 | elb | like the cameras in phones ... people who are easily dazzled by shiny objects are that much more impressed |
| 03:14.37 | WorkingOnWise | it would be nice if it were a 2MPixel |
| 03:14.42 | WorkingOnWise | lol... |
| 03:14.44 | KotCzarny | wow: not really |
| 03:14.51 | KotCzarny | bandwidth would kill it |
| 03:14.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:15.01 | KotCzarny | right now at vga it's 4fps |
| 03:15.02 | WorkingOnWise | I like the cam on my krzr k1 |
| 03:15.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:15.18 | lcuk | like bandwidth kills xMP phonecams |
| 03:15.30 | lcuk | and it prevents digital cameras from working |
| 03:15.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:16.00 | WorkingOnWise | it foule be nice to have the highmp and drop it down for video over the net |
| 03:16.07 | WorkingOnWise | fould=would |
| 03:16.12 | elb | you likely couldn't do 2MP at 15fps or whatever the current camera provides |
| 03:16.12 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but i'm saying even now cam slowness can produce distorted shots |
| 03:16.34 | elb | KotCzarny: that's almost certainly a camera problem, not a bandwidth problem |
| 03:16.45 | elb | although I suppose it's possible that the processor itself reads the CCD |
| 03:16.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:16.51 | WorkingOnWise | yeah. gotta be very very still...it is useless for stills |
| 03:16.55 | elb | lord knows *I* wouldn't design it that way |
| 03:17.14 | KotCzarny | maybe it's connected via gpios |
| 03:17.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:17.34 | lcuk | i wouldnt design it - i would pick one from the shelf which just worked - it comes down to linux being black sheep - why can the other n series devices have better? |
| 03:17.58 | WorkingOnWise | if i find a broke one on ebay I'm gonna tear it apart and see what can be hacked inside |
| 03:18.01 | elb | well, there's always a question of whether the other n-series device cameras can be reasonably fitted |
| 03:18.13 | WorkingOnWise | better? |
| 03:18.15 | elb | particularly with embedded processors, you never know what's processor-side and what's device-side |
| 03:18.23 | lcuk | what we gain in configurability we lose in hardware quality - gps = FAIL camera = FAIL |
| 03:18.28 | lcuk | screen = Hello! |
| 03:18.30 | elb | the gps is fine |
| 03:18.33 | WorkingOnWise | u mean better cam? or OS? |
| 03:18.43 | elb | people cry like babies that theirs suck |
| 03:18.46 | KotCzarny | maybe they had some spares in warehouse.. |
| 03:18.46 | elb | but mine is fast and accurate ;-) |
| 03:18.56 | elb | it compares reasonably with my Garmin |
| 03:18.57 | ryoohki_ | how do you make videos with the pad? the "camera" app only takes pictures |
| 03:19.03 | lcuk | it is great and fast and accurate IF I CAN GET A LOCK! |
| 03:19.14 | elb | yeah, see, I haven't had that problem |
| 03:19.23 | lcuk | i use it so infrequently that ive probably rebooted in between using it |
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| 03:19.33 | elb | mine locks from cold in <2m |
| 03:19.36 | lcuk | but i have just had to buy missus a map |
| 03:19.47 | lcuk | because when she needed it it failed |
| 03:19.54 | elb | that said, I use my Garmin |
| 03:20.10 | elb | the mapper application they want me to pay money for sucks, and maemo mapper requires that I've fetched maps ahead of time |
| 03:20.14 | Italodance | HI |
| 03:20.33 | WorkingOnWise | what about google map? |
| 03:20.37 | KotCzarny | elb: sd cards are cheap |
| 03:20.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:20.44 | lcuk | we werent bothered about play by play talking map - just knowing where you are so you can rectify self would have sufficed |
| 03:20.54 | lcuk | google map == only when connected |
| 03:20.55 | elb | that's what I use the garmin for |
| 03:20.56 | ryoohki_ | is there an app to use the tablet as a video camera? |
| 03:20.59 | elb | mine has only major roads on it |
| 03:21.07 | elb | it can have area maps downloaded ... but not from Linux |
| 03:21.08 | lcuk | but we bought 810 because it had gps |
| 03:21.27 | lcuk | (partly - it was mainly drool) |
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| 03:25.27 | WorkingOnWise | elb: u said yours locks in <2 min in cold. How cold? the *00 or 810? |
| 03:25.30 | WorkingOnWise | 800 |
| 03:26.34 | elb | the 800 has no GPS, so ... the 810 |
| 03:26.43 | KotCzarny | it could be bt gps |
| 03:26.45 | elb | or are you confused by what we mean by "lock"? |
| 03:27.16 | elb | I mean that the GPS typically collects enough satellite data to locate itself in <2m, even when it has not had a recent satellite fix |
| 03:27.34 | KotCzarny | elb: most people are not that lucky |
| 03:27.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:27.39 | elb | I keep hearing that |
| 03:27.51 | KotCzarny | maybe you have good satellite exposure? |
| 03:27.52 | lcuk | elb are you in a city? |
| 03:27.58 | lcuk | or on a hilltop? |
| 03:28.02 | elb | HAH |
| 03:28.07 | elb | I'm in Indiana, there ARE no hills ;-) |
| 03:28.20 | elb | I'm in a city, but not a very "tall" city |
| 03:28.23 | lcuk | but are there big buildings and rf noise and stuff |
| 03:28.32 | elb | RF noise is plentiful |
| 03:28.56 | elb | I get the impression that Europeans tend to have a dismal experience, specifically |
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| 03:29.17 | lcuk | i wonder if thats because of the defaults in the driver |
| 03:29.22 | lcuk | i have probs in england |
| 03:29.30 | elb | I'm not sure how sensitive GPS is to latitude |
| 03:29.38 | lcuk | shouldnt be at all |
| 03:29.42 | elb | the satellites will be physically farther away in northern latitudes |
| 03:29.47 | lcuk | theres 21 sats out there |
| 03:29.55 | lcuk | spinning the earth |
| 03:30.03 | elb | yes, but the earth is non-spherical |
| 03:30.21 | elb | for some purposes, *significantly* non-spherical |
| 03:30.24 | elb | I don't know about GPS purposes |
| 03:30.50 | lcuk | but....and this is the killer...other gps devies dont have a problem... |
| 03:31.01 | elb | yeah, but that's 100% irrelevant |
| 03:31.13 | elb | if the 810's antenna is marginal, for example, and that distance does matter |
| 03:31.15 | KotCzarny | nokia is european company |
| 03:31.25 | KotCzarny | so they probably tested it there |
| 03:31.26 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:31.49 | elb | yes, but that doesn't say much about the software defaults |
| 03:32.05 | lcuk | elb - i agree - its a design flaw. hopefully a partial plaster can be applied to the driver to stop it being annoying - but they fucked up |
| 03:32.05 | KotCzarny | but spherically wise.. |
| 03:32.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:32.36 | elb | sure, but it *does* work in Europe |
| 03:32.41 | elb | and I'm not even certain there's a correlation |
| 03:33.07 | elb | I just notice that most of the complaints come from Europeans, whereas I've seen several Americans (both central and north) note that they have no problems) |
| 03:33.29 | lcuk | is from england |
| 03:33.32 | elb | I bring up the north/south point only because most central and north americans are south of most Europeans |
| 03:33.35 | lcuk | normally stands in line politely |
| 03:33.59 | elb | I'm including England in "Europe" for this purpose |
| 03:34.01 | elb | island or no ;-) |
| 03:34.16 | lcuk | "hey, look at my cool nokia - its got gps" ....15 minutes later... "it does connect eventually" ...crickets... "look, its got a funky led in the corner" |
| 03:34.37 | lcuk | it takes away the coolness :( |
| 03:34.51 | elb | yeah, I don't even show people the GPS |
| 03:34.57 | KotCzarny | 'hey, look at my wintec, it takes lock in 2s' |
| 03:34.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:35.00 | elb | the mapping applications are too insufficient |
| 03:35.12 | elb | no GPS takes a lock in less than about 45s from cold |
| 03:35.22 | elb | (warm locks are an entirely different matter) |
| 03:35.32 | lcuk | agreed entirely |
| 03:35.32 | KotCzarny | still 810 is slow |
| 03:35.36 | KotCzarny | even on warm locks |
| 03:35.42 | elb | well, let me take that back -- assisted GPS can |
| 03:35.48 | Navi | On the N810? |
| 03:36.07 | elb | yeah, my 810's warm locks seem to be 20-30s |
| 03:36.15 | KotCzarny | 3. Time to First Fix (TTFF) : < Average 3.5/34 sec. (Hot/Cold start) |
| 03:36.17 | KotCzarny | http://www.semsons.com/wiwbmu3gpsre2.html |
| 03:36.33 | elb | I'm having a doubt |
| 03:36.46 | elb | that second figure should be closer to 45s, and that's dictated by the GPS protocol |
| 03:36.57 | Navi | Hide a bluetooth gps receiver in your pocket |
| 03:36.58 | KotCzarny | it's quite a recent product |
| 03:37.04 | elb | recent product doesn't matter |
| 03:37.14 | elb | the actual data streams from the satellites are only so fast |
| 03:37.39 | lcuk | 1500bps repeated every 30sec |
| 03:37.58 | KotCzarny | then the best case is 30s ? |
| 03:38.20 | elb | 30s assumes that every single satellite is just starting its stream the instant you start listening |
| 03:38.28 | lcuk | sorry - 1500 bits in 30 seconds repeated |
| 03:39.02 | lcuk | ....Navigation Message at 50 bit/s giving the time-of-day.....). The messages are sent in frames, each taking 30 seconds to transmit 1500 bits. |
| 03:39.07 | KotCzarny | so they pause? or receiver has to wait for 'start of a frame' ? |
| 03:39.07 | elb | 34s might be reasonable on a hilltop, with clear view of the low horizon all around |
| 03:39.26 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System |
| 03:39.34 | KotCzarny | still better than 30min on 810 |
| 03:39.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:39.36 | elb | you have to find at least four satellites for a 3D fix, and hear an entire frame from each |
| 03:39.47 | lcuk | the data from a frame is valid for 2 hours |
| 03:40.01 | lcuk | you only have to download it if its out of date |
| 03:40.57 | lcuk | the almanac however is sent over MULTIPLE frames - to get entire almanac in best conditions is 12.5 minutes |
| 03:41.21 | lcuk | Each frame contains 1/25th of the almanac, |
| 03:41.26 | elb | yeah, that only matters when you have no idea where you are, or it's been a LONG time since your last lock |
| 03:41.38 | elb | (I'm not sure how long) |
| 03:41.59 | lcuk | no, the almanac is basically longterm |
| 03:42.12 | KotCzarny | so it can be in firmware? |
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| 03:42.44 | lcuk | but to me it feels like this is getting updated quite often - i wonder if you left it locking ALL day over a clear area whether it would get ALL available data for all visible sats |
| 03:42.54 | elb | not firmware ... but long-term storage |
| 03:42.55 | lcuk | but sats die and are replaced |
| 03:43.20 | elb | you don't have to see all satellites to get the almanac for all satellites |
| 03:43.26 | lcuk | even when locked - kinda give it time to see every possible available sat and get all data from it over the course of a day |
| 03:43.41 | lcuk | The almanac consists of coarse orbit and status information for each satellite in the constellation, |
| 03:43.53 | elb | and then you can throw WAAS into the mix |
| 03:44.02 | elb | I'm not sure if the 810 can use it or not |
| 03:44.08 | lcuk | n older hardware, lack of an almanac in a new receiver would cause long delays before providing a valid position, because the search for each satellite was a slow process. |
| 03:44.58 | lcuk | you are right elb: each satellite transmits only its own ephemeris, but transmits an almanac for all satellites. |
| 03:44.59 | KotCzarny | sounds like a 810 case |
| 03:45.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:45.32 | lcuk | reading that doe |
| 03:45.33 | lcuk | s |
| 03:46.10 | lcuk | what OS do bluetooth gps devices run? |
| 03:47.32 | KotCzarny | not linux |
| 03:47.35 | KotCzarny | for sure |
| 03:47.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:48.26 | GeneralAntilles | Vista. |
| 03:48.36 | lcuk | i would hate to have to get bt gps device for the car, but its looking likely. heh gen |
| 03:49.08 | lcuk | can you use them to store up tripdata and squirt once the 810 connects? |
| 03:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Woo N800 |
| 03:49.24 | lcuk | N800 + shit loads of money |
| 03:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the device. |
| 03:49.25 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 03:49.38 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue 747 stores points |
| 03:49.43 | KotCzarny | lcuk, that wintec has 128k waypoints |
| 03:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | You'd have to setup the software to dump it when it connects, though. |
| 03:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, it may only dump over USB |
| 03:50.00 | GeneralAntilles | not sure. |
| 03:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | BT GPS costs $50 |
| 03:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | Still cheaper than an N810. :P |
| 03:50.37 | lcuk | yer i know - i would wire it in so it never needs charging |
| 03:50.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: http://www.zen35309.zen.co.uk/gps/ |
| 03:50.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:52.00 | lcuk | nice! |
| 03:55.41 | lcuk | right, i think i need to go to bed |
| 03:55.45 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 03:55.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:06.46 | m-c | huh - it just occurred to me to run apache on my desktop so I could stream content to my N800 |
| 04:06.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:07.05 | m-c | but streaming high def video doesn't work so well |
| 04:07.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:07.10 | GeneralAntilles | mediautils.garage.maemo.org |
| 04:07.33 | m-c | any idea what the maximum resolution is for video processing? |
| 04:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on bitrate and "action". |
| 04:08.05 | KotCzarny | 400 for width is a good compromise |
| 04:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | For relatively sedate stuff, 5xx horizontal with around 600-1000Kbps bitrate works very well for me |
| 04:08.22 | GeneralAntilles | with just a touch of framedrop in the high-action stuff. |
| 04:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | For guaranteed perfect playback, 400x240 (fit whichever dimension is hit a limit first) at around 800-1400Kbps works very well. |
| 04:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | (MPEG4 video and MP3 audio) |
| 04:09.30 | m-c | thanks - seems like you have those numbers well memorized |
| 04:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | I've chattered them off . . . a lot. |
| 04:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, also, there's some overhead with streaming stuff |
| 04:10.09 | m-c | are there ways you can improve performance of video playback? running a different media player or shutting down something or any optimization? |
| 04:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | So stick to 400x240 for that |
| 04:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | 5xx is for local playback. |
| 04:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer |
| 04:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Install that |
| 04:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | But that's about as much as you can do. |
| 04:10.58 | m-c | Okay, thanks very much |
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| 04:16.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 04:17.05 | KotCzarny | calibration is broken after screen rotation |
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| 04:21.30 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 04:21.48 | pppoe_dude | i just installed gizmo, and i'm trying to get it to work on my nokia 770 |
| 04:22.01 | pppoe_dude | i can call and the other side can hear me, but i can't hear them |
| 04:22.08 | pppoe_dude | i also tried echo calls etc.. any ideas? |
| 04:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | NAT issues |
| 04:22.39 | pppoe_dude | on my laptop tho, everything works fine |
| 04:22.44 | pppoe_dude | same router |
| 04:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | Are you port forwarding to the laptop? |
| 04:24.23 | pppoe_dude | hmmm |
| 04:24.24 | pppoe_dude | yes |
| 04:24.30 | pppoe_dude | i think this could be the problem |
| 04:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | There's your answer. |
| 04:24.43 | pppoe_dude | thanks |
| 04:24.45 | pppoe_dude | will try |
| 04:25.16 | pppoe_dude | sweey |
| 04:25.20 | pppoe_dude | sweet* |
| 04:25.22 | pppoe_dude | it works |
| 04:25.25 | GeneralAntilles | STUN should be able to get you through. |
| 04:25.38 | GeneralAntilles | No guarantees, though. |
| 04:25.50 | pppoe_dude | so it is technically possible to get gizmo working from public wifi? |
| 04:26.18 | GeneralAntilles | It should "just work", but I really haven't investigated thoroughly. |
| 04:26.23 | pppoe_dude | pl |
| 04:26.25 | pppoe_dude | ok* |
| 04:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm not sure what all is involved. |
| 04:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | You may try google |
| 04:26.37 | pppoe_dude | so why is the party line offline? |
| 04:26.40 | pppoe_dude | i'm bored :( |
| 04:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | No need to search for anything specific to maemo. |
| 04:27.26 | pppoe_dude | nice thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 04:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 04:27.36 | pppoe_dude | i've been looking for something like gizmo for ages |
| 04:27.48 | pppoe_dude | and now it works on my Nokia 770 :) |
| 04:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | Don't remember what the status is with rtcomm on the 770. |
| 04:27.57 | GeneralAntilles | But you may look into it. |
| 04:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | Lighter weight than running the Gizmo application |
| 04:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | better integrated, too. |
| 04:28.19 | pppoe_dude | i wonder if it is safe to put it near my head for prolonged periods |
| 04:28.32 | pppoe_dude | GeneralAntilles, thanks will check it out |
| 04:28.34 | GeneralAntilles | No uranium in it. :P |
| 04:28.47 | pppoe_dude | there's still wifi tho :) |
| 04:28.52 | GeneralAntilles | 2.4GHz |
| 04:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | and stupid low power |
| 04:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | wont do anything to you. |
| 04:29.04 | pppoe_dude | nice |
| 04:29.06 | KotCzarny | get headphones |
| 04:29.09 | KotCzarny | then |
| 04:29.23 | pppoe_dude | ya i think ill do that |
| 04:29.35 | KotCzarny | btw. you can set txpower to 10mW |
| 04:29.37 | pppoe_dude | or just use it anyway |
| 04:29.42 | KotCzarny | if you're afraid of wifi |
| 04:29.48 | KotCzarny | it's in advanced tab |
| 04:29.51 | pppoe_dude | KotCzarny, how do i do that? |
| 04:29.59 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 04:30.00 | KotCzarny | when you configure your connection |
| 04:30.05 | pppoe_dude | i'm not really afraid of wifi |
| 04:30.33 | pppoe_dude | i mean, i do use a cell phone |
| 04:30.38 | pppoe_dude | which is probably worse than wifi |
| 04:30.47 | KotCzarny | and i think they put that option there because of iceland |
| 04:31.13 | KotCzarny | (in iceland allowed wifi power for devices is ~10mW) |
| 04:31.44 | pppoe_dude | KotCzarny, advanced tab where? |
| 04:32.01 | KotCzarny | when you configure your wifi connection |
| 04:32.06 | KotCzarny | next all the way till the end |
| 04:32.14 | KotCzarny | and there's 'advanced' |
| 04:32.39 | KotCzarny | and it's somewhere there |
| 04:33.13 | pppoe_dude | KotCzarny, nice |
| 04:33.16 | pppoe_dude | found it\ |
| 04:33.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:33.27 | pppoe_dude | it was 100mw |
| 04:33.30 | pppoe_dude | isn't that a lot? |
| 04:33.34 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 04:33.40 | KotCzarny | it's a 'max' anyway |
| 04:33.59 | KotCzarny | so if connection quality is good device will transmit less power anyway |
| 04:34.04 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 04:34.08 | KotCzarny | (and i have to drop 'anyway') |
| 04:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | Normal |
| 04:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | 10mw wont get you much range. |
| 04:34.39 | pppoe_dude | in my bedroom it's workiong ok |
| 04:34.47 | pppoe_dude | keeping in mind the router is in the same room |
| 04:34.56 | pppoe_dude | albeit on the other side |
| 04:35.51 | pppoe_dude | i like my 770 |
| 04:36.20 | KotCzarny | what os? |
| 04:36.40 | pppoe_dude | 2006 |
| 04:36.52 | KotCzarny | if you're bored try 2007 |
| 04:36.52 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:36.53 | pppoe_dude | should i upgrade? |
| 04:36.57 | pppoe_dude | ah |
| 04:36.59 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 04:37.07 | KotCzarny | if it's working for you |
| 04:37.07 | pppoe_dude | KotCzarny, what kinds of things will i notice? |
| 04:37.16 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 04:37.18 | pppoe_dude | 2006 is a little slow |
| 04:37.23 | KotCzarny | i have seen only 2008 |
| 04:37.23 | pppoe_dude | but that's ok |
| 04:37.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:37.40 | pppoe_dude | i'd like to get n810 |
| 04:37.43 | pppoe_dude | but i have no money :) |
| 04:37.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:37.50 | KotCzarny | get n800 |
| 04:37.53 | pppoe_dude | maybe when i pay off my visa |
| 04:38.12 | pppoe_dude | the sliding keyboard looks nice |
| 04:39.41 | pppoe_dude | i wanna call someone |
| 04:41.10 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 04:41.52 | pppoe_dude | bored |
| 04:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'd at least try OS2007HE and OS2008HE. |
| 04:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I run OS2008HE on both my 770s. |
| 04:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's surprisingly quick. |
| 04:44.17 | pppoe_dude | nice |
| 04:44.23 | pppoe_dude | GeneralAntilles, doesn't crash? |
| 04:44.27 | pppoe_dude | do you think gizmo would work on it? |
| 04:46.13 | KotCzarny | you're the bored one |
| 04:46.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:46.41 | pppoe_dude | heh |
| 04:47.20 | KotCzarny | is having fun with maemo-maps |
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| 04:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | Not any worse than OS2006, pppoe_dude. |
| 04:53.21 | GeneralAntilles | At least, not as far as I can remember. |
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| 04:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | The upgrades are certainly worth any instability, anyway. |
| 05:03.15 | m-c | heya, pppoe_dude, I know you from -offtopic -- you got a nokia 770 ? |
| 05:03.41 | pppoe_dude | m-c, yes a while ago :) |
| 05:03.42 | m-c | these tablets are a lot of fun |
| 05:04.00 | pppoe_dude | definitely |
| 05:04.02 | m-c | just now getting VoIP working? ah - a shame! |
| 05:04.14 | pppoe_dude | hehe |
| 05:04.20 | m-c | I love the cheap calling over wifi |
| 05:04.26 | pppoe_dude | it is defeinitely a lot fun |
| 05:04.38 | pppoe_dude | it is just like a phone ;) |
| 05:04.48 | KotCzarny | better |
| 05:04.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:04.55 | pppoe_dude | yes better |
| 05:04.55 | m-c | I am going to switch to my N800 as my primary phone when my cell contract runs out |
| 05:04.56 | pppoe_dude | :) |
| 05:05.01 | m-c | in one year |
| 05:05.17 | pppoe_dude | i wanna get an n800 or n810 when i have money |
| 05:05.26 | m-c | the n800 is a great bargain |
| 05:05.46 | pppoe_dude | i got my 770 for $150 CAD |
| 05:06.03 | m-c | but after seeing the maps in OS2008, I can see why a GPS would be nice, too |
| 05:06.36 | m-c | is that pre-USD-parity CAD? ;) |
| 05:06.41 | KotCzarny | got n800 for 150$ |
| 05:06.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:06.50 | pppoe_dude | yes pre |
| 05:06.54 | pppoe_dude | LS |
| 05:06.56 | pppoe_dude | :S * |
| 05:07.14 | KotCzarny | this march |
| 05:07.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:07.30 | pppoe_dude | maybe i should have gotten an n800 |
| 05:07.35 | pppoe_dude | and maybe i got ripped off |
| 05:07.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:07.56 | KotCzarny | you still have time |
| 05:08.04 | m-c | it's not much money, either way - and you'll find a use for two if you get a second one |
| 05:08.10 | KotCzarny | before n810 successor comes out |
| 05:08.26 | KotCzarny | yeah, multiplayer bt games |
| 05:08.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:08.55 | m-c | oh, man, that'd be neat |
| 05:09.02 | pppoe_dude | hmm |
| 05:09.13 | pppoe_dude | maybe i should get n800 then |
| 05:09.39 | m-c | probably repeating myself, but the Ur'Quan Master game package is like artwork on my N800. Way better than the PC original |
| 05:09.49 | pppoe_dude | where did you get it from KotCzarny ? |
| 05:10.28 | KotCzarny | second hand in nyc |
| 05:10.44 | m-c | CompUSA was going out of business and selling N800s at $225 |
| 05:11.08 | m-c | I bought mine new at $300 with 2x 4GB memory |
| 05:11.38 | m-c | so, no matter what you choose, it's still pretty cheap |
| 05:11.42 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 05:11.50 | m-c | and a terrific bargain |
| 05:11.53 | KotCzarny | i wanted 770 |
| 05:11.58 | KotCzarny | when they came out |
| 05:12.21 | KotCzarny | but never gathered to buy it |
| 05:12.27 | pppoe_dude | maybe ill wait a little |
| 05:12.32 | pppoe_dude | until i have a bit of extra money |
| 05:14.45 | m-c | So owning a N8x0 has given me this unhealthy desire to see wifi everywhere |
| 05:15.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:15.42 | m-c | I've just donated $500 to a charity that promotes creating nodes in Seattle, and I am thinking about setting up some mesh networks myself |
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| 05:16.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:17.11 | m-c | I am fascinated with the idea that we might all own these pocket communication devices that run on open Linux technologies. |
| 05:18.30 | m-c | hey, what type of wifi does the N800 have? |
| 05:18.34 | m-c | a/b/g ? |
| 05:19.20 | KotCzarny | bg |
| 05:19.46 | m-c | huh - I have a 802.11g access point, and the file transfer seems slow |
| 05:19.53 | m-c | I'll check the settings on the AP |
| 05:20.01 | m-c | thanks |
| 05:20.51 | m-c | Oh, sorry, one more question, how do I stop pop up windows with the Firefox browser? |
| 05:21.14 | m-c | oops, nm! |
| 05:21.35 | m-c | duh - it was so obvious I missed it. I must have looked in Settings three times, and did not see it |
| 05:21.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:27.04 | Italodance | is there any gps for n800 os2008? |
| 05:29.42 | pppoe_dude | m-c, that would be nice |
| 05:30.05 | pppoe_dude | omnipresent internet |
| 05:32.24 | Italodance | .exe files can work on n800? |
| 05:33.05 | m-c | Which side of the N800 device is the antenna? |
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| 05:34.04 | m-c | Italodance: no, I don't think so |
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| 05:34.59 | KotCzarny | m-c: http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening |
| 05:35.05 | KotCzarny | more n800 pr0n |
| 05:35.13 | Italodance | m-c is there any gps for n800 os2008? |
| 05:35.15 | m-c | *drool* |
| 05:35.57 | Tama^2 | any BT GPS should work with os2008 |
| 05:35.59 | m-c | Italodance: not really - unless you configure the USB to host an external device |
| 05:36.14 | m-c | oh, right bluetooth |
| 05:36.21 | m-c | I forgot |
| 05:36.30 | Italodance | m-c tnx |
| 05:36.48 | m-c | yeah, and some cell phones publish the gps info through bluetooth too |
| 05:39.00 | Italodance | m-c what's ur mplayer version? |
| 05:39.25 | m-c | I just use media player |
| 05:39.43 | Italodance | version? |
| 05:40.02 | m-c | dunno |
| 05:40.05 | Italodance | ok |
| 05:40.14 | Italodance | os2008 yes? |
| 05:40.20 | Italodance | anyway |
| 05:44.58 | KotCzarny | http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/770Disassembly |
| 05:45.00 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 05:45.04 | KotCzarny | 770 pr0n too |
| 05:45.04 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:48.20 | doc|home | ! |
| 05:48.28 | doc|home | awww, you owe me naked ladies :( |
| 05:48.38 | KotCzarny | me? |
| 05:49.26 | doc|home | thinks you missed the joke :/ |
| 05:49.41 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 05:49.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:49.53 | KotCzarny | http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/NokiaNseriesUnlockedSept272007/photo#5115343511397099362 |
| 05:49.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:50.07 | doc|home | o.O |
| 05:50.16 | doc|home | b800 orgy sluts! |
| 05:50.18 | doc|home | *n800 |
| 05:50.33 | KotCzarny | gang.. view? |
| 05:52.02 | doc|home | heh |
| 05:52.09 | pupnik | oh wow ZynAddSubFX is fun |
| 05:52.23 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 05:52.31 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 05:52.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:52.43 | pupnik | software music synthesizer |
| 05:52.47 | KotCzarny | i see |
| 05:53.09 | pupnik | hehe @ tablet pron |
| 05:53.42 | KotCzarny | takes IT and goes to the toilet |
| 05:53.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:53.56 | pupnik | gotta love how compact they are |
| 05:54.10 | pupnik | compared to the tablets that pandora board is a monster |
| 05:54.21 | pupnik | (but who cares) |
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| 06:31.48 | KotCzarny | lag? |
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| 06:33.46 | czr | KotCzarny, mental one for sure :-) |
| 06:34.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 06:45.58 | jacky_ | Anyone gives me a example pipeline to show how hantro4100dec element and hantro4200enc are used? Thanks |
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| 06:47.36 | Italodance | huh? |
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| 06:52.16 | jacky_ | I want to used it to receive stream video from PC which is compressed in MPEG4. But I found that the elements that ffmpeg4_enc is not available in N800.Any help |
| 06:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | Just connect to an http stream using mplayer? |
| 06:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Better yet: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 06:56.11 | jacky_ | No exactly. Using tcpserversink and tcpclientsrc these two elements |
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| 07:05.00 | Italodance | jacky ffmpeg4 is available with mplayer for n800 |
| 07:06.29 | jacky_ | Can I use it in gstreamer? |
| 07:06.42 | Italodance | strange https://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ all download sections are off:? |
| 07:07.02 | Italodance | jacky_ don't know and never try but u do! |
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| 07:09.16 | Italodance | https://maemo.org/downloads is down??????/ |
| 07:09.37 | czr | maybe it's just shy. |
| 07:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. |
| 07:10.39 | Italodance | ok tnx |
| 07:12.24 | Tama^2 | remove the s from https |
| 07:12.29 | Tama^2 | and will be fine |
| 07:12.55 | koyote | man, i cannot believe some of the excuses on the 24 hour bug |
| 07:13.03 | koyote | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 |
| 07:13.08 | koyote | RESOURCE issues?!?!? |
| 07:13.32 | koyote | i have several pdas from the early 90s with far more limited resources that ca handle a 12/24 settings |
| 07:16.29 | Italodance | Tama^2 yes right |
| 07:16.56 | Italodance | but not yet ...try later |
| 07:19.48 | Italodance | here is my old problem https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 damn maemo |
| 07:19.55 | Italodance | i use proxy |
| 07:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously it's not as simple as you think it is, koyote, or it would already be fixed. ;) |
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| 07:23.00 | GeneralAntilles | Iran isn't a country they sell the device in. |
| 07:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | Why would they support it? |
| 07:23.56 | koyote | GeneralAntilles: nah, i don't think so |
| 07:24.14 | koyote | someone in the system made a poor decision and has gottne ego attached to defendng it with bogons |
| 07:24.20 | koyote | hard to back down from that. |
| 07:24.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, no. |
| 07:24.36 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles ummm don't know but nokia has many official shops here |
| 07:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia != N800/N810 |
| 07:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia sells phones all over the planet |
| 07:24.57 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles no |
| 07:25.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia DOES NOT sell N800s and N810s all over the planet. |
| 07:25.13 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles i bought mine from dubai |
| 07:25.17 | koyote | at the VERY least, cutting and pasting 2 locale files and making the 24 hour mods in them would take maybe 3 hours. |
| 07:25.38 | koyote | IF you were unfamiliar with the file format to begin with |
| 07:25.45 | pupnik | koyote: do you prefer a straight ncurses angband? |
| 07:26.06 | koyote | pupnik: honestly, i like either a full xaw of vanilla ncurses. |
| 07:26.13 | koyote | interchangeably. |
| 07:26.34 | pupnik | the window management wouldn't work well on the tablet |
| 07:26.55 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles i can use only proxy for their shit block and they are stupid..i bought my n800 about 400 usd |
| 07:26.55 | koyote | I'm not terribly comfortable with the deps on the current version. |
| 07:27.03 | pupnik | nor am i |
| 07:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you expect them to support you in a country that they don't sell the device in? |
| 07:27.37 | koyote | straight ncurses would be fine. tiles aren't really needed. |
| 07:27.48 | pupnik | the nethack port is a huge piece of work - practically a whole new gui |
| 07:27.50 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles i am only one? what is their problem here? |
| 07:28.09 | koyote | pupnik: did you ever see the port of moria for the palm? |
| 07:28.13 | pupnik | nope |
| 07:28.19 | pupnik | good stuff? |
| 07:28.35 | koyote | it kept the keyboard commands, but put in simple command menus and a touch screen interface for movement |
| 07:28.38 | koyote | really simple. |
| 07:28.59 | koyote | http://roguelike-palm.sourceforge.net/kMoria/ |
| 07:30.12 | koyote | but ncurses with keyboard support would end up working for me, personally |
| 07:30.15 | AD-N770 | koyote: same approach on nethack for maemo |
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| 07:30.44 | koyote | angband allows you to choose the old roguelike keymaps for lack of deicated number keys |
| 07:31.14 | koyote | dedicated |
| 07:31.39 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles do u know them? |
| 07:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | Who? |
| 07:32.26 | Italodance | maemo nokia staff... can u explain them about me? |
| 07:32.27 | pupnik | i'll try to whip up a deb right now |
| 07:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 07:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | That's way above the maemo guys, anyway. |
| 07:33.31 | koyote | pupnik: okay. I'm about to reflash the n800 and get set to clone it so i can run off the 4gb sd card i have internally |
| 07:33.38 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles how can i solve my problem? what's ur opinion? |
| 07:33.51 | GeneralAntilles | Don't buy devices that are unsupported in your country. |
| 07:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | Or move or use a proxy. |
| 07:34.07 | koyote | it seems to be the most sensible route for me to get a full binutils/bash/emacs environment |
| 07:34.24 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles what about maemo staff? |
| 07:34.25 | koyote | Italodance: what, exactly, is the problem? |
| 07:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | They have nothing to do with distribution decisions. |
| 07:35.11 | Italodance | koyote read here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 |
| 07:36.29 | koyote | and this is verified as an issue with your internet route? |
| 07:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | Iran is unsupported. |
| 07:36.55 | Italodance | koyote i think maemo blocked here |
| 07:36.59 | czr | it's weird that IE/FF seem to work though |
| 07:37.10 | koyote | then you need a shell in another country. |
| 07:37.11 | czr | Italodance, you can download using the same network with IE/FF? |
| 07:37.32 | czr | or you mean "problem is available" as in that IE/FF also fail? |
| 07:37.38 | koyote | i think that it's a dumb decision in a "travel oriented business tool" |
| 07:37.51 | czr | agrees |
| 07:37.58 | czr | but maybe it's an akamai-restriction |
| 07:38.06 | koyote | but it's not goin to get fixed by some random maemo hacker. |
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| 07:38.16 | koyote | czr: likely. |
| 07:38.33 | Italodance | czr IE/FF yes both don't work also my n800 am |
| 07:38.42 | czr | Italodance, ok |
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| 07:39.42 | Italodance | koyote then you need a shell in another country? really help? thank u |
| 07:40.10 | koyote | if you have a shell account in another country then you can wget whatever you need and scp it back to yourself |
| 07:40.21 | czr | assuming that using scp is legal in iran. |
| 07:40.23 | czr | it would assume not. |
| 07:40.27 | czr | I even. |
| 07:41.38 | Italodance | koyote i can use proxy here but hard sometimes working and sometimes NOT! |
| 07:41.58 | czr | what kind of proxy? |
| 07:42.10 | Italodance | ummm someone can let maemo knows this! |
| 07:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | They don't have any control over it. |
| 07:42.34 | Italodance | czr umm proxy websites like http://www.pro-xyy.com/ |
| 07:43.34 | czr | figured. |
| 07:44.38 | czr | I appended the bugreport. I wouldn't hold my hopes high though. |
| 07:44.55 | czr | your best bet would be to get a foreign shell access somewhere and then use that to shuffle data |
| 07:45.09 | czr | or maybe a vhost where you could run your own tls/ssl-protected proxy |
| 07:45.26 | Italodance | czr thank u dear friend .... |
| 07:46.02 | czr | it's 90% likely that the issue won't be fixed. but it would be interesting to get a list of countries where maemo content is blocked because of akamai/other reasons. |
| 07:46.11 | czr | or 95% likely even. |
| 07:46.34 | Italodance | czr i know for syria too |
| 07:46.44 | czr | what about syria? also blocked? |
| 07:47.00 | czr | maemo repos or more generic connectivity blocking? |
| 07:47.05 | Italodance | look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2643#c2 |
| 07:47.26 | Italodance | no sorry look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 |
| 07:48.02 | czr | Italodance, why did you create a new bug? |
| 07:48.08 | czr | why didn't you just comment 2237? |
| 07:48.24 | Italodance | czr yes i do now |
| 07:48.48 | Italodance | czr look here too : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2939 |
| 07:49.27 | czr | ok, tell you what, let me report the duplicates, ok? |
| 07:50.08 | Italodance | czr thANK U 1000 respect |
| 07:51.24 | czr | quim said that 2237 was 'wontfix' which means that maemo people cannot do anything about it |
| 07:51.34 | czr | it seems that the whole akamai thing is related to whole nokia, not just maemo |
| 07:52.50 | Italodance | czr yes totally nokia! but meamo is depends 100% to nokia or single? |
| 07:52.57 | koyote | what's the better of the howtos for cloning to sd card in os 2008? |
| 07:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse's |
| 07:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | It has a script that does it all for you. |
| 07:54.20 | czr | Italodance, maemo content distribution depends on nokia |
| 07:55.11 | Italodance | czr so for my problem i must contact to maemo or nokia anyway i mailed 3 messages to maemo different emails |
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| 07:55.59 | koyote | a script.... |
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| 07:56.55 | Italodance | czr are u from finland? |
| 07:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | koyote, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 |
| 07:59.24 | czr | Italodance, I'm in finland. |
| 08:00.34 | pupnik | how do i start a xterminal app from menu? i can launch the xterm but not pass a binary to execute |
| 08:01.18 | czr | if I'd have free bandwidth I could setup a repo mirror |
| 08:01.23 | czr | unfortunately it's limited :-( |
| 08:02.16 | pupnik | koyote: i can give you an angband that installs and runs from xterm but it won't launch from menu |
| 08:03.06 | czr | Italodance, I marked 3029 and 2939 as duplicates for 2237. so follow 2237 |
| 08:03.30 | koyote | pupnik: awesome |
| 08:03.32 | czr | added also some commentaries. note however that bug 2237 is in 'wontfix' state which means that quim has decided there's nothing he will/can do at the moment. |
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| 08:04.50 | Italodance | czr oh... |
| 08:05.42 | jacky_ | Is it possible to build gstreamer from source in maemo to gain the plugins that not inclued in N800? Thanks |
| 08:06.03 | Italodance | czr thank u again |
| 08:06.31 | pupnik | wait i found a way i think |
| 08:06.42 | czr | Italodance, np, hope that the situation will get rectified at some point, although I wouldn't bet on it. |
| 08:08.15 | Italodance | czr yes hope i wish :( |
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| 08:10.12 | mitra | re |
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| 08:11.31 | ivyvisors | evening |
| 08:11.59 | qwerty12 | morning down here lol |
| 08:12.05 | ivyvisors | the fun of timezones |
| 08:12.10 | ivyvisors | i'd guess if morning, it be the uk |
| 08:12.14 | ivyvisors | is in .au |
| 08:12.16 | qwerty12 | yep :) |
| 08:12.19 | qwerty12 | Ah right |
| 08:12.20 | Italodance | morning friend qwerty12 |
| 08:12.31 | qwerty12 | morning Italodance :) |
| 08:12.38 | Italodance | :D |
| 08:12.46 | ivyvisors | has just started getting stuff working on the n810 |
| 08:12.49 | ivyvisors | fun fun :) |
| 08:13.01 | ivyvisors | getting the scratchbox going was a pain in the butt |
| 08:13.13 | czr | ivy, what problems did you have? |
| 08:13.25 | qwerty12 | ivyvisors: I had a fun time setting up sb too :D |
| 08:13.33 | qwerty12 | I cant get sb2 to work however, |
| 08:13.48 | ivy | we had issues with the repository, and it was downloading the same stuff again and again |
| 08:13.57 | ivy | so far just got nmap going for the fun of it |
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| 08:14.09 | ivy | couldn't get a .deb built |
| 08:14.16 | ivy | but that's prolly cos we don't know what we're doing |
| 08:14.17 | mitra | sometimes repository.maemo.org would throw 403, and cause the whole thing to restart |
| 08:14.24 | mitra | during the sdk installation |
| 08:14.35 | ivy | but mitra did get it installed finally. |
| 08:14.38 | czr | ah. that sounds like fine |
| 08:14.39 | czr | fun even |
| 08:14.42 | ivy | yeah |
| 08:14.45 | ivy | like pulling teeth |
| 08:14.52 | qwerty12 | I was lucky then, I managed to install when it was stable. |
| 08:14.54 | czr | I use local mirrors because of the repo instability. |
| 08:14.57 | koyote | i'd gathered from reading earlier that there wasn't a need to reformat the sd card to do cloning |
| 08:14.58 | mitra | especially with finite bandwidth :) |
| 08:15.26 | ivy | but mitra and i have it going now |
| 08:15.38 | czr | are you following any material/tutorials? |
| 08:15.43 | czr | or just stabbing in the dark? |
| 08:15.52 | ivy | stabbing in the dark right now :) |
| 08:15.56 | ivy | well i ma |
| 08:15.56 | mitra | trying to follow the tororials anyway :) |
| 08:15.58 | ivy | *am |
| 08:16.21 | ivy | mitra, has had more exp with arm stuff than I though |
| 08:17.07 | czr | the mailing lists contain a lot of good stuff (and a lot of bad stuff as well, ..) and google is your friend :-) |
| 08:17.09 | qwerty12 | I have no experience with C++ or arm, if stuff cleanly compiles then I'm happy :P. Other than that, I use it to make kernels. |
| 08:17.17 | ivy | nods |
| 08:17.24 | czr | and there's training material *plug* which is freely available, but that starts from fairly basic level. |
| 08:17.31 | ivy | nods |
| 08:17.45 | ivy | i've ported some stuff from linux to irix, so it shouldn't be too hard :) |
| 08:18.03 | ivy | and IRIX can be a pic |
| 08:18.04 | czr | heh. there's a name you don't hear very often anymore |
| 08:18.18 | ivy | hehe |
| 08:18.21 | pupnik | now i have no angband icon in menu even though i have /usr/share/applications/hildon/angband.destop |
| 08:18.30 | ivy | i still have an o2 |
| 08:18.37 | ivy | on my desk |
| 08:18.47 | qwerty12 | "destop" :p , is it really named that? |
| 08:18.57 | koyote | pupnik: cool |
| 08:18.59 | pupnik | no desktop |
| 08:19.04 | pupnik | grrr |
| 08:19.10 | koyote | i am partitioning now |
| 08:19.10 | czr | a friend tried to give me their sgi's, but I'm past the "collect all interesting useless hardware"-phase. |
| 08:19.18 | ivy | heheh |
| 08:19.25 | ivy | well i got rid of most of mine |
| 08:19.31 | ivy | still have a couple of vaxes |
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| 08:19.47 | ivy | all running vms as god intended ;) |
| 08:20.10 | koyote | shudders |
| 08:20.14 | czr | coughs silently |
| 08:20.19 | koyote | finally i got rid of the e6000 |
| 08:20.19 | ivy | heheh |
| 08:20.31 | koyote | and the stack of ss20s |
| 08:20.37 | koyote | and the u1s |
| 08:20.37 | ivy | well i found a good use for my indies |
| 08:20.48 | czr | fishtanks? |
| 08:20.50 | ivy | as a monitor riser for my mac when i'm working on music |
| 08:20.57 | koyote | i wouldn't mind an apollo to play with, i guess. |
| 08:21.18 | czr | I have couple of mac cubes just running a firefox with autorefresh on a NOC-status page at office |
| 08:21.30 | czr | although they're running linuxen, but still. |
| 08:21.34 | koyote | and i should have kept the on n80 aix laptop, but other than that i am glad to be back on all portable/handhelds |
| 08:21.53 | koyote | a g4 cube i WOULD love to have |
| 08:22.02 | koyote | for my son |
| 08:22.23 | czr | they're pretty slow by modern standards though |
| 08:22.35 | czr | motherboard : PowerMac5,1 MacRISC Power Macintosh |
| 08:22.51 | czr | but almost silent. should do something about the hard-drives though. |
| 08:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | Better off getting a Mini over a Cube. |
| 08:24.11 | czr | probably. although mini is not nearly as sexy. |
| 08:24.24 | GeneralAntilles | True true. |
| 08:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | But still |
| 08:24.31 | GeneralAntilles | Cubes are SLOOOW |
| 08:24.36 | czr | plus you get to miss all the funny problems of finding suitable monitor cables that can run in a 90 degree diagonal off the connector |
| 08:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:25.21 | czr | we got about 10 cubes left over at some point, so decided to cannibalize couple of them just because we could. |
| 08:26.12 | ivy | i always liked the cube |
| 08:26.33 | ivy | i do need something that can run mac os 9, for sound diver tho :< |
| 08:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | Ew |
| 08:27.39 | czr | can't believe he's on a channel where someone mentions os 9. |
| 08:27.54 | czr | ivy, you've jinxed this channel! |
| 08:28.00 | ivy | hehe |
| 08:28.05 | ivy | oh noes |
| 08:28.12 | czr | the vms was bad enough. |
| 08:28.18 | asha | distributes free GNUs to bring the channel back around |
| 08:28.37 | czr | goes looking for his spears |
| 08:28.38 | ivy | hehe i like Gnus |
| 08:28.53 | ivy | personally more of a NetBSD fan :P |
| 08:29.02 | ivy | anyway |
| 08:29.04 | ivy | hehe |
| 08:29.08 | ivy | laughs |
| 08:29.11 | pupnik | koyote: http://pupnik.de/angband_3.0.9-1_curses_armel.deb .. should install and run - let me know if there's anything to tweak/fix |
| 08:29.24 | pupnik | (from menu) |
| 08:29.29 | ivy | nice |
| 08:30.01 | qwerty12 | Thanks pupnik |
| 08:30.21 | koyote | checking |
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| 08:34.01 | pupnik | increasing font size with + button requires redisplay |
| 08:34.06 | pupnik | refresh of game screen |
| 08:34.30 | koyote | i'm getting ablank white screen and xterm is crashing |
| 08:36.05 | pupnik | ok start normal xterm and run 'angband' |
| 08:36.21 | koyote | blank. let me see about a few things |
| 08:39.00 | pupnik | HMPH!@ |
| 08:39.26 | pupnik | the blubbering pupnik flees to breakfast |
| 08:40.27 | koyote | it's erroring on opening xterm when i run it manually |
| 08:40.40 | koyote | but if it works for others there's probably something i just haven't done right |
| 08:40.47 | koyote | R&D mode? |
| 08:40.50 | pupnik | hit the - key to reduce font size |
| 08:41.05 | pupnik | then retry |
| 08:41.26 | pupnik | if your default font size yields < 80x25 window, ncurses angband will not run |
| 08:41.36 | pupnik | bbl |
| 08:41.40 | koyote | yah |
| 08:41.43 | koyote | i tried a 10pt |
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| 08:43.45 | koyote | okay, i am off for a bit |
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| 08:46.18 | ivy | has anyone had luck with getting kismet to run on the n810? |
| 08:47.16 | qwerty12 | It craps out after a while |
| 08:47.24 | qwerty12 | I've used it on a N800 though. |
| 08:48.07 | ivy | kk |
| 08:48.22 | ivy | it's the one thing i want to get going, |
| 08:48.33 | ivy | still learning my way round this little machine |
| 08:48.45 | qwerty12 | If you have a memory card and the time, it works under John'x Debian port. |
| 08:48.50 | qwerty12 | *johnx |
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| 08:50.08 | ivy | oke |
| 08:50.24 | ivy | i need to get a memory card for it, only had it for a week |
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| 09:08.11 | qwerty12 | Oh why do linux archive managers suck? I've had to install 7zip in wine and use that. Works better then the default shit that comes with Ubuntu :( |
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| 09:12.34 | qwerty12 | Is it possible to mount rootfs through initfs over usb? I have jffs2 support in computer kernel. |
| 09:15.25 | gopi | qwerty12: Pfft. tar is all you need. |
| 09:15.46 | qwerty12 | Too long :p |
| 09:16.54 | konttori | hey, does anyone know if there is a way for a theme to set the background of desktop? |
| 09:20.17 | konttori | Perhaps the hildon-background-manager could do it at least on theme postinst. |
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| 09:21.57 | pupnik | any update to nuovo-black konttori ? :) |
| 09:22.09 | konttori | ah. sorry. completely forgotten. |
| 09:22.29 | konttori | I could do the inverse nuvo now, but I suspect a little more effort would be nice. |
| 09:22.47 | konttori | I'l now looking quickly on how I could add the background support easily to the themes |
| 09:23.01 | konttori | I think quite a few people would appreciate that as well |
| 09:23.23 | konttori | Also, how the deb postinst could just set the new theme on immediately. I think that would be pretty nice as well |
| 09:23.37 | konttori | (or it could ask first on a dialog) |
| 09:24.07 | konttori | I won't be going to the nokia site next week at all, so cannot ask from any developers there |
| 09:24.40 | solmumaha | konttori: add a script to /usr/local/bin that is named the same as the binary/script that changes the theme. Then check if it's your team it tries to change to and change background too :p |
| 09:24.47 | aquatix | morning all |
| 09:25.21 | konttori | solmumaha: what is the script that changes the theme? |
| 09:25.40 | solmumaha | konttori: i've no idea, but i bet there is one |
| 09:26.10 | solmumaha | or not |
| 09:26.23 | solmumaha | not the most elegant solution though |
| 09:26.33 | konttori | Hmm... there used to be /usr/bin/home-image-loader |
| 09:26.40 | konttori | but there is no such thing anymore |
| 09:29.37 | konttori | hmm... seems like /usr/share/nackgrounds/*.desktop files are what I need ... *maybe* |
| 09:30.00 | pupnik | konttori: http://pupnik.de/nuvoblack_konttori_bright_blue_bar.jpg |
| 09:30.07 | pupnik | where does this bright blue bar come from? |
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| 09:33.29 | konttori | hmm... Is that os 2008 or 2007? |
| 09:34.56 | konttori | That could be a problem in xterm. I have a bug report on that that says that there is a black line in certain circumstances in xterm |
| 09:35.14 | konttori | I have set it to low priority for now, but maybe I'll consider raising it. |
| 09:35.32 | konttori | OTOH: it might have disappeared already from the latest xterm |
| 09:35.40 | pupnik | os2006 |
| 09:35.42 | konttori | (available in garage as sources only) |
| 09:35.49 | konttori | ok. I *think |
| 09:35.55 | konttori | it's the xterm issue then. |
| 09:36.12 | qwerty12 | I've got the 13 of xterm version on my N800 OS2008, I prefer it more to the 14 versions TBH |
| 09:36.21 | pupnik | checks |
| 09:36.44 | pupnik | no there's no xterm running |
| 09:37.11 | pupnik | when i run an app, the blue bar disappears |
| 09:37.23 | pupnik | so there's a graphic element missing from nuvoblack |
| 09:37.23 | konttori | what are you using then? It thought that was irssi. |
| 09:37.30 | konttori | makes sense. |
| 09:38.01 | konttori | Hmm... I don't want to update the os2006 stuff anymore though. |
| 09:38.20 | pupnik | ok i will have to find it i think. just wanted to show you that i wasn't making it up |
| 09:38.29 | konttori | 0.14 versions are there to have more 'nokia' oriented location for the toolbar. |
| 09:38.36 | konttori | pupnik: I believe you! |
| 09:39.13 | pupnik | it's hard work to do these themes |
| 09:39.43 | konttori | As 014 xterms are part of the release image. |
| 09:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | Poor xterm |
| 09:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | Gets bundled and Nokia gets its cooties all over it. |
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| 09:52.08 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: lol |
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| 10:03.13 | konttori | lol |
| 10:03.50 | konttori | but... It's still good to have it there by default IMHO. |
| 10:06.35 | AStorm | yep |
| 10:19.03 | pupnik | qwerty12: does angband crap out after a while? |
| 10:19.46 | qwerty12 | Which one; your ncurses one or the sdl one by dawnmist? |
| 10:19.51 | pupnik | ncurses |
| 10:20.13 | qwerty12 | I haven't actually tried it yet, sorry. I've been messing with emacs port. |
| 10:20.15 | pupnik | the binary conflicts right now, so if you installed sdl version, don't install ncurses |
| 10:20.18 | pupnik | ok |
| 10:20.31 | qwerty12 | Give me 10 mins, I'll try it out :) |
| 10:21.00 | pupnik | no hurry |
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| 10:29.10 | qwerty12 | pupnik: is only binary conflicting? If so, I'll just move the sdl binary. |
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| 10:33.21 | pupnik | yes |
| 10:33.43 | pupnik | qwerty12: iirc the rest of the shared stuff is in different directories |
| 10:33.52 | qwerty12 | Ok thanks, I'm just preparing to install. |
| 10:34.10 | pupnik | hmm but the desktop icon might conflict |
| 10:34.22 | qwerty12 | i'll mv that too. |
| 10:34.37 | qwerty12 | brb, time for my breakfast lol |
| 10:34.45 | pupnik | guten appetit |
| 10:38.23 | qwerty12 | Thanks :). I see quite a few bits are different. I will just untar it as I have set up symlink to memory card previously and I don't have a lot of space left on flash :) |
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| 10:46.13 | qwerty12 | sighs. Stupid gnome is messing about with the desktop file |
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| 10:48.50 | Italodance | hello unique311 :D |
| 10:49.04 | unique311 | morning |
| 10:49.22 | unique311 | downer |
| 10:49.55 | unique311 | what a joke |
| 10:50.51 | unique311 | why is it that i cannot dl anything in safari for the iphone..... |
| 10:50.55 | qwerty12 | pupnik: Got the ncurses port running :). Now to try it out... (my first time playing lol) |
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| 10:52.10 | pupnik | it's got a heck of a learning curve |
| 10:52.16 | pupnik | hi unique311 |
| 10:52.38 | unique311 | whats going on? |
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| 10:52.55 | eichi | hello, someone has an idea to make the n800 "jog-able" ;) ? for tracking |
| 10:52.59 | Italodance | unique311 do u have an iphone? |
| 10:52.59 | pupnik | just some maintenance, post-chocolate excess blues |
| 10:53.29 | unique311 | Italodance: yeah, just got one the other day.. |
| 10:53.46 | unique311 | post chocolate excess blues |
| 10:53.58 | Italodance | unique311 cool,is it good? |
| 10:54.04 | pupnik | easter |
| 10:54.09 | qwerty12 | ncurses programs are convincing me to get a bluetooth keyboard... |
| 10:54.23 | unique311 | not sure if this relates to that, but when i was young i use to go thru a couple of milkyways... |
| 10:54.33 | unique311 | by a couple i mean 4 or 5 in a day |
| 10:54.35 | unique311 | lol |
| 10:55.19 | qwerty12 | I hate milky ways :p. Made me sick and put me off them for life :p |
| 10:56.26 | unique311 | my taste for milkyways died also. |
| 10:57.04 | Italodance | unique311 u prefer iphone to ur tablet? |
| 10:57.11 | unique311 | tablet |
| 10:57.54 | unique311 | I can do much more with the tablet. |
| 10:58.06 | pupnik | heh this is so 'love boat'... Herb Alpert - Rise (1979) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ennMD1fPtXA |
| 10:58.17 | Italodance | unique311 yes i don't like iphone |
| 10:58.24 | Italodance | that's shit |
| 10:58.25 | unique311 | i think the hype over it is just that it looks good... |
| 10:58.51 | Italodance | unique311 tell me the audio quality of iphone is bad and low ? |
| 10:59.09 | unique311 | i did the sound hack fix... |
| 10:59.14 | unique311 | pretty loud now. |
| 10:59.44 | Italodance | oh louder than tablet? |
| 10:59.55 | qwerty12 | pupnik: Ncurses port is still running fine. But on N800, hildon keyboard is slightly annoying. It may also be useful to tell people to add KP_Enter as toolbar shortcut |
| 11:00.18 | eichi | someone uses maemo mapper for tracking for openstreetmap? please contact me! important!! |
| 11:00.20 | unique311 | Italodance: not louder, but much better than the default sound settings |
| 11:00.20 | Italodance | unique311 i wanted to buy an iphone but finally prefer my n800 |
| 11:00.33 | unique311 | good choice |
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| 11:00.38 | Italodance | eichi i need map streets do u have? |
| 11:00.51 | unique311 | i got my iphone from graigslist |
| 11:01.00 | eichi | Italodance, ? |
| 11:01.12 | unique311 | i gave the guy my old notebook for it.. |
| 11:01.17 | pupnik | sound hack fix what is this unique311 ? |
| 11:01.17 | Italodance | eichi i want iran tehran do u have? |
| 11:01.24 | eichi | Italodance, i have a problem with the gpx files made by maemo mapper |
| 11:01.34 | Italodance | unique311 hehe the deal |
| 11:01.37 | pupnik | qwerty12: i have no idea how you could play that reasonably with onscreen keyboard |
| 11:01.45 | Italodance | eichi oh ok.... |
| 11:02.00 | unique311 | pupnik: for the iphone...its is ridiculously low |
| 11:02.26 | eichi | gpx files produced with the latest maemo mapper version give me an import error on the OSM server. thats not funny! i cant continue mapping |
| 11:02.46 | qwerty12 | pupnik: I have no idea how I'm managing :p :D . I have enter shortcut on toolbar and when I need the keyboard, it comes up and if I move in the game, the screen autoadjusts |
| 11:03.18 | Italodance | eichi reinstall it....possible? |
| 11:04.34 | eichi | Italodance, loool |
| 11:04.36 | eichi | nice joke |
| 11:05.07 | eichi | Italodance, you know the difference of opensource + linux and closed source + windows ? |
| 11:05.39 | eichi | reinstall fixed bugs aren't a opensource+linux common feature |
| 11:05.52 | eichi | windows only |
| 11:06.47 | Italodance | eichi yes hehe kiding.. |
| 11:06.49 | Italodance | :D |
| 11:07.14 | Italodance | well i have windows |
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| 11:10.21 | qwerty12 | pupnik: Ncurses Angband is running stable for me. Is there a point in the game or after a certain time where it quits? |
| 11:14.12 | pupnik | no |
| 11:14.15 | pupnik | until you win |
| 11:14.25 | pupnik | or not even sure about that |
| 11:14.35 | pupnik | it should also restore a save after ctrl-x to exit |
| 11:14.42 | qwerty12 | I'm not even sure on how to win :p |
| 11:15.11 | pupnik | i've never made it very far. for me t.o.m.e was the most adventure-some |
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| 11:16.57 | qwerty12 | brb, need to reboot into windows. Why? "$ firefox --safe-mode" "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" |
| 11:18.35 | pupnik | lmao this guy moose wrote a talking clock program and he's looking for someone who can do a voice impersonation of a Dalek |
| 11:19.18 | sxpert | hmm ?? |
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| 11:20.07 | sxpert | pupnik, anyone with a vocoder plugin in audacity can do it |
| 11:20.17 | pupnik | http://www.infocom.cqu.edu.au/Staff/Michael_O_malley/web/mooses_freeware.html |
| 11:20.40 | pupnik | ok audacity has its own, or uses some directx plugin? |
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| 11:27.24 | sxpert | direct-X ??? |
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| 11:28.09 | pupnik | well, might be possible |
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| 11:59.12 | GNUton | hi |
| 11:59.20 | AStorm | hello |
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| 12:04.25 | GNUton | :) |
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| 12:24.39 | jott | imagines his tablet saying "EXTERMINATE" all the time :) @pupnik |
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| 12:33.19 | lopz | morning |
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| 12:34.22 | pupnik | whered qwerty12 go |
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| 12:41.22 | neal | I'm looking at the wiki, specifically, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/nokia_770_hardware_specification/ |
| 12:41.34 | neal | and I can't find a way to view the history of changes. |
| 12:42.01 | neal | perhaps I'm just overlooking this. |
| 12:42.10 | neal | or does midgard not support this feature. |
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| 12:42.18 | neal | anyone know? |
| 12:42.44 | czr | hmm. no one has intel PXA270 datasheet handy? seems that since marvell's aquisition of intels PXA-stuff, tech docs are all missing from intel's site. |
| 12:42.46 | pupnik | hi neal. i don't |
| 12:42.56 | jott | neal: i think you have to be logged in |
| 12:43.11 | neal | I have to be logged-in to view the history? |
| 12:43.12 | jott | then you'll get an extra menu |
| 12:43.13 | neal | shesh. |
| 12:43.35 | jott | don't blame me :p |
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| 12:58.18 | WormFood | did anyone fix the dhcp client while I was gone ;) |
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| 13:02.39 | johnx | WormFood, nope. Find me where udhcpc holds the lease and I'll give it a shot, though |
| 13:02.54 | WormFood | I'm sure it has nothing to do with the lease |
| 13:03.17 | WormFood | when I was out and about today, I was able to connect to a netgear, and one other router, but everything else got me a problem |
| 13:03.25 | AStorm | where can i get man-pages for maemo? |
| 13:03.51 | johnx | AStorm, the packages themselves tend to have man pages I think, but doc purge deletes them |
| 13:04.00 | AStorm | WormFood: you dare contradict years of testing? |
| 13:04.11 | johnx | WormFood, that's nice but I think you're wrong about the lease not affecting it |
| 13:04.37 | johnx | WormFood, the problem is basically udhcpc getting tripped up by some valid dhcpd implementations |
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| 13:05.25 | WormFood | how can the lease affect it, when I show it on the command line as having problems |
| 13:05.31 | WormFood | I mean, problems other than the least |
| 13:05.34 | WormFood | lease |
| 13:06.40 | johnx | WormFood, look back at the conversation earlier. the lease doesn't *cause* the problem, but I *think* the problem can be worked around by removing the lease before trying to get an address from dhcp servers that udhcpc would otherwise have a problem with |
| 13:07.24 | WormFood | you may be right |
| 13:08.33 | johnx | I may or may not be, but I don't have access to a dhcp server that causes problems *and* I can't find where udhcpc keeps its lease, so my motivation to test work on this isn't so high :) |
| 13:08.44 | WormFood | I understand |
| 13:08.55 | WormFood | I have no idea, but I'm sure looking over the source code would |
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| 13:11.24 | rwhitby | I've got a server where an infinite lease causes the dhcp client problems. I changed it to a finite lease and it works. |
| 13:13.26 | johnx | I think the problem WormFood and AStorm (and myself, in the past) have run into is actually different. If I understand correctly, it seems to be caused by the dhcp server returning extra information (that is within dhcp spec) when sending a DHCPNAK after udhcpc asks for an IP address that isn't in that dhcp server's pool |
| 13:15.41 | AStorm | yep |
| 13:15.53 | AStorm | and udhcp getting batshit |
| 13:16.16 | pupnik | watches the conversation like this dog http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/153603564_7281ad0588.jpg |
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| 13:16.36 | WormFood | I will need to setup kismet and monitor the n800-router conversation |
| 13:17.01 | WormFood | load the log file into wireshark, and take a look at it (that is, if wireshark can't capture the conversation itself) |
| 13:17.19 | johnx | uhm...or you can just look at what udhcpc has to say...something along the lines of "unrecognized option" I believe it was? |
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| 13:18.11 | AStorm | it is |
| 13:18.50 | AStorm | we need dhclient package and fixed scripts |
| 13:19.13 | m-c | GeneralAntilles: Hi. The advice you had last night on video playback was great. I downloaded the media (rather than stream it) and loaded mplayer, and then the media was entirely watchable. 'mplayer' made a biiiig difference. |
| 13:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | Glad to have helped. |
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| 13:21.05 | WormFood | [09:09:21] <WormFood> then "bogus packet, options field is too long" |
| 13:21.31 | johnx | that would be it |
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| 13:22.14 | jott | anyone tried to build microb-engine with latest cvs gecko? |
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| 13:23.00 | AStorm | source code? |
| 13:23.31 | jott | garage? :o |
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| 13:24.46 | WormFood | I will disconnect and reconnect, so I can monitor the n800-router exchange |
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| 13:25.31 | GeneralAntilles | What's with the influx of iPhone nubs on ITT again? :\ |
| 13:26.46 | johnx | I dunno, but it seems like we at least have more people willing to answer n00b questions lately, so I haven't noticed/cared that much |
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| 13:34.22 | WormFood | I'm trying to figure out if I can swap between wireless and wired without losing my connections |
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| 13:35.12 | johnx | that would probably be a no... |
| 13:35.34 | WormFood | I suspect I can do it....if I give myself a static IP |
| 13:35.47 | WormFood | anyways....I'll most likely lose my connection |
| 13:36.00 | AStorm | yep, you can't |
| 13:36.28 | AStorm | you can do print i |
| 13:36.45 | AStorm | uhm, use iptables and masquerade |
| 13:36.54 | AStorm | or some smart routing |
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| 13:39.33 | m-c | Hey, I noticed something using mplayer, when it got a list of all the media files. My SDcard has retained a bunch of files in .Trash - how do I finally delete these from the GUI? How can I set the file manager to actually delete the files when I want them deleted? |
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| 13:41.26 | m-c | I've never seen any "Empty Trash" button. |
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| 13:41.51 | AStorm | in file manager |
| 13:42.05 | AStorm | in menu |
| 13:42.58 | m-c | keep going... I don't see it |
| 13:43.29 | SDuensin | Morning. |
| 13:44.01 | m-c | people aren't expected to format the memory card just to finally get rid of files, I hope |
| 13:44.09 | WormFood | am I still connected? |
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| 13:44.21 | m-c | yes |
| 13:44.23 | johnx | WormFood, no you're not connected |
| 13:44.25 | WormFood | ok, I guess I was able to change interfaces without losing my connection here :p |
| 13:44.37 | WormFood | evening SDuensin |
| 13:45.04 | AStorm | hmm, no |
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| 13:45.22 | AStorm | WormFood: with iptables |
| 13:45.28 | AStorm | use NAT |
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| 13:54.16 | AStorm | ok, I want to put devel env on my N |
| 13:54.20 | AStorm | howtos? |
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| 13:54.35 | johnx | are you booting from sd already? |
| 13:54.55 | AStorm | will be |
| 13:55.08 | AStorm | I can upload to a live system |
| 13:55.17 | AStorm | then switch |
| 13:55.32 | AStorm | but, it has to be devel maemo |
| 13:55.37 | AStorm | rsyncable |
| 13:55.52 | WormFood | AStorm, no |
| 13:55.59 | WormFood | I ran ifdown on eth0 |
| 13:56.04 | WormFood | then ran ifup on eth1 |
| 13:56.13 | AStorm | wrong |
| 13:56.20 | WormFood | manually changed the ip address on eth1 to be the same that eth0 was |
| 13:56.24 | AStorm | use ifup first then ifdown |
| 13:56.30 | WormFood | then added the default gateway back |
| 13:56.56 | WormFood | because just changing the ip address for eth1 erases the default gateway |
| 13:56.56 | johnx | AStorm, I haven't seen a howto, but I guess you could just collect stuff as you need it from gronmayer |
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| 13:57.10 | Veggen_ | hmm. I managed to switch between gprs and wifi without losing my connection :) |
| 13:57.16 | Veggen_ | but i cheat. |
| 13:57.30 | johnx | with the latest SDK update you shouldn't run into too many version mismatch problems |
| 13:57.43 | WormFood | it is all about the packet state....if the router does not somehow destroy the tcp/ip stream state, it will work |
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| 13:58.17 | Veggen_ | wormfood: correct. I use openvpn :) |
| 13:58.24 | WormFood | I use openvpn too |
| 13:58.33 | WormFood | I use that to get around the great firewall of china |
| 13:58.59 | johnx | AStorm, also, look up dpkg-repack for repacking installed .debs and 'equivs' for making dummy packages if you need them |
| 13:59.18 | AStorm | mhm |
| 13:59.30 | AStorm | no no |
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| 13:59.39 | AStorm | I have a devel env |
| 13:59.43 | AStorm | on vmware |
| 14:00.03 | AStorm | want to use it on maemo proper (the built os) |
| 14:00.09 | johnx | yeah, I understand |
| 14:00.43 | m-c | Veggen: do you think it is possible to have a VoIP call where the N8x0 jumps from one connection to another? |
| 14:00.51 | johnx | you'll probably end up repacking some .debs from your SDK on vmware, and satisfying some deps with equivs |
| 14:01.41 | AStorm | hm |
| 14:02.03 | AStorm | ok, I'm going in |
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| 14:03.01 | Veggen | m-c: hmm. probably switchover time would be unbearable. I also would need to do something about openvpn re-setup etc. |
| 14:03.03 | johnx | as long as you are booting from SD and you remember to stop and backup your progress once in a while you'll probably manage ok |
| 14:03.05 | kulve | anybody familian with the wlan power save? "iwconfig wlan0 power ..." |
| 14:03.09 | kulve | familiar |
| 14:03.25 | Veggen | kulve: a bit - how? |
| 14:03.56 | kulve | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.06 | Veggen | I know that on os2008, you'll need to do it in connection manager for it to stick. |
| 14:04.11 | m-c | Veggen: I think one goal of VoIP would be to be able to switch from one connection to another, just like you can do with a cell phone |
| 14:04.12 | kulve | and the device is pretty warm. I'm just wondering how to adjust that |
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| 14:04.27 | kulve | Veggen: I'm not using connection manager.. |
| 14:04.34 | Veggen | oh. no, afraid not. |
| 14:04.39 | AStorm | kulve: check cpu usage |
| 14:04.56 | AStorm | heat is mostly caused by that |
| 14:05.21 | kulve | AStorm: no cpu usage |
| 14:05.23 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/iwconfig.html |
| 14:05.33 | kulve | but that seems to be what I was looking for. |
| 14:05.35 | Veggen | m-c: hmm. well, yes. we need mobile ip :) |
| 14:06.03 | AStorm | mobile IP = tunnels/VPNs |
| 14:06.13 | AStorm | so use these |
| 14:07.46 | Veggen | well. right now it took more than a minute, I think, for openvpn to renegotiate. with changing openvpn parameters, it'd be possible to get that down quite a bit. |
| 14:08.04 | AStorm | mhm |
| 14:09.03 | Veggen | but not noticeable? doubt it :) |
| 14:11.05 | kulve | humm, anybodu with os2008 booted? Is there the iwconfig command around? |
| 14:12.43 | lcdd | kulve: try sbin |
| 14:13.13 | Veggen | wirelesstools exists in some repositories, but not in os2008 by default. |
| 14:13.19 | kulve | Veggen: thanks |
| 14:16.17 | Veggen | kulve: I've been tablet only all easter. laptop decided to not work (think it's a bad contact to the power plug) |
| 14:16.49 | Veggen | made wonders for my n810 typing skills :) |
| 14:17.18 | kulve | I've been trying to get networkmanager working on it during the easter.. |
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| 14:23.05 | qwerty12_N800 | m-c: about your mplayer problem, you didn't use emelfm to delete the files or nautillus on computer? |
| 14:23.22 | kulve | "iwconfig wlan0 power [anything]" just gives me invalid argument |
| 14:23.59 | m-c | qwerty12_N800: I used File Manager ... is that Nautilus? |
| 14:24.29 | qwerty12_N800 | File manager on the n8*0? |
| 14:24.33 | m-c | Yes |
| 14:24.48 | Veggen | kulve: example of [anything]? |
| 14:25.03 | m-c | and the files went into /media/mmc2/.Trash-user/ |
| 14:25.21 | qwerty12_N800 | That's odd. Gmplayer upd8s it's file list on startup. |
| 14:25.23 | Veggen | ("off" works, for example) |
| 14:26.04 | kulve | Veggen: iwconfig wlan0 power period 500ms |
| 14:26.30 | kulve | Veggen: yeah, "off" doesn't give an error, but doesn't do anything either as it's already off.. |
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| 14:26.47 | kulve | "on" doesn't give error either, but doesn't do anything |
| 14:27.03 | WormFood | now upon closer inspection, it appears that the N800 is sending out the dhcp packet, and not getting any response...it then falls back to rarp |
| 14:32.15 | WormFood | does anyone want this capture file to look at for themselves? |
| 14:32.29 | Veggen | kulve: seems it won't eat any arguments to power period here either. but I haven't checked the docs. |
| 14:32.47 | pupnik | i shall cheer for your successes WormFood .. document your findings |
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| 14:33.39 | pupnik | wb ssvb! |
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| 14:34.53 | WormFood | I need to do more investigation |
| 14:35.04 | WormFood | I need to compare it to a good dhcp client |
| 14:35.19 | WormFood | I may get disconnected for my next test |
| 14:35.22 | WormFood | then I will go to bed |
| 14:36.06 | kulve | well, now gnome-power-manager sets cpufreq to "maximum powersave", i.e. cpu MHz to minimum. Lets see if that affects the temperature.. |
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| 14:36.43 | WormFood | ok, test done |
| 14:38.44 | WormFood | well this is fucked up....I don't see any dhcp address or traffic to my laptop....but it got an IP address |
| 14:40.58 | WormFood | I guess I can't capture and use the wireless at the same time :( |
| 14:43.39 | WormFood | where is the kismet package for the n800? |
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| 14:46.02 | WormFood | have any if you guys seen the blue sprite yet (soda)? I can get it here in China, but don't know if it is anywhere else in the world. |
| 14:46.27 | sxpert | the what ? |
| 14:47.07 | sxpert | I know toothpaste from china containing antifreeze and other similar antics |
| 14:47.17 | WormFood | sprite soda, that is blue |
| 14:47.22 | WormFood | mint flavored |
| 14:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | gives sxpert some "Colgrate". |
| 14:47.34 | pupnik | toothpaste soda |
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| 14:47.56 | WormFood | I rather like this blue sprite |
| 14:48.12 | cyberholic | hi everyone... happy easter... *honk* *honk* |
| 14:48.26 | WormFood | happy easter? aren't you a little late? |
| 14:48.28 | sxpert | WormFood, ahem... I'd rather have regular water, than a mix of water, sugar and fluo-blue coloring with artificial mint flavor. thanks |
| 14:48.42 | cyberholic | WormFood: oh correct. sorry! I mean HAPPY CHRISTMAS! |
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| 14:49.04 | sxpert | cyberholic, happy valentine :-) |
| 14:49.18 | cyberholic | sxpert: to you too my love |
| 14:49.21 | WormFood | I updated my jesusfuckinchrist.com web page in honor of easter ;) |
| 14:49.38 | cyberholic | wormfood: thanks for making a website for me! |
| 14:50.02 | sxpert | WormFood, http://gallery.sxpert.org/v/Broken/ikea/ikea-Krucifix.jpg.html |
| 14:50.49 | cyberholic | lol |
| 14:52.22 | qwerty12_N800 | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/204492/ :p |
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| 14:54.12 | WormFood | sxpert, your site does not appear to be coming up for me...don't know if it is the great firewall or just my crappy internet (some sites are very fast, and others are very slow) |
| 14:54.21 | cyberholic | lol |
| 14:55.35 | sxpert | WormFood, probably the great whitelist from hell |
| 14:57.53 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(soft_drink) it is called "sprite icy mint" |
| 14:58.33 | WormFood | I don't feel like setting up my vpn just to read the page, but it appears that it is only in china |
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| 14:59.08 | sxpert | WormFood, anyhow, the interesting pic showed some jesus christ figure holding ikea instructions for "Krucifix" :-) |
| 14:59.14 | fysa | ooo. xulrunner + touchscreen UI |
| 14:59.31 | WormFood | sxpert, can you give me a direct url to the image? (I can download it to my server) |
| 14:59.38 | Lynoure | Any idea where I could find Frotz or some other inform intepreter for maemo os2008? I tried the elkings.org repo but got some "incompatible package format" error |
| 14:59.47 | fysa | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/UI/Designs/TouchScreen/Proposal5 |
| 15:00.41 | sxpert | image 1 : http://gallery.sxpert.org/d/4195-1/gutvik.gif |
| 15:00.57 | sxpert | image 2: http://gallery.sxpert.org/d/4198-1/ikea-Krucifix.jpg |
| 15:01.11 | WormFood | thanks sxpert |
| 15:02.33 | pupnik | Lynoure: frotz or gfrotz? |
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| 15:04.10 | Lynoure | pupnik: either, or any that lets me play inform games, will do |
| 15:04.34 | WormFood | damn! all of my internet is running like shit today |
| 15:04.42 | Lynoure | Not really picky at this stage :) |
| 15:04.51 | WormFood | ok, bed time for me, it is after 11 pm here...see you all later |
| 15:05.00 | pupnik | Lynoure: do you think i should include the docs with it? |
| 15:05.43 | Lynoure | pupnik: no strong opinions there... I'd say most people don't need them |
| 15:07.32 | sxpert | WormFood, so, what do you think ? |
| 15:08.49 | WormFood | what do I think about what? |
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| 15:09.26 | sxpert | WormFood, bout the pix |
| 15:09.42 | WormFood | I can't see it |
| 15:09.46 | WormFood | I can't even load my own pages |
| 15:09.53 | WormFood | BUT, I can ssh into my server |
| 15:09.59 | WormFood | I will look at them later |
| 15:10.02 | sxpert | ok |
| 15:10.10 | WormFood | I imagine it is funny tho, just by your description |
| 15:10.14 | sxpert | yeah |
| 15:10.24 | WormFood | what did you think of the easter images on my page? (or did you look?) |
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| 15:10.36 | sxpert | the first one you may need to either know german or search the web ;-) |
| 15:10.48 | sxpert | WormFood, pretty cool too |
| 15:11.09 | pupnik | Lynoure: ok just touched up frotz... please test http://pupnik.de/frotz_2.43-1_armel.deb |
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| 15:12.10 | cyberholic | sxpert... i know german... who needs help? |
| 15:12.28 | sxpert | cyberholic, WormFood will need for image 1 :-) |
| 15:12.42 | Tobotras | I need help! I'd like to know german too! |
| 15:12.44 | cyberholic | image 1? |
| 15:12.51 | WormFood | I'll share the url with my german friend |
| 15:12.55 | pupnik | i know a little german |
| 15:12.57 | sxpert | scrollback :-) |
| 15:13.08 | cyberholic | i am on pupnik.de .... and now? |
| 15:14.34 | sxpert | cyberholic, [2008-03-24 16:00] <sxpert> image 1 : http://gallery.sxpert.org/d/4195-1/gutvik.gif |
| 15:14.53 | Lynoure | pupnik: installed nicely. I'll give more feedback later, one I try it with a game. Thank you. |
| 15:15.06 | cyberholic | ok... GUTVIK means "good f*ck" so the aim of the bed is quite clear |
| 15:15.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Lol |
| 15:15.31 | cyberholic | in german it is GUT FICK |
| 15:15.39 | sxpert | 'cept its a kiddie bed... |
| 15:16.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Eww |
| 15:16.29 | sxpert | dual bunk to be precise |
| 15:16.45 | sxpert | "you can put the ladder to the left or to the right" |
| 15:17.08 | sxpert | of course, the thing was named for a city in norway or something |
| 15:17.22 | sxpert | but didn't go well in germany |
| 15:17.40 | sxpert | similar to that "Nova" car in mexico |
| 15:18.32 | qwerty12_N800 | ich sehe Brüste |
| 15:18.37 | cyberholic | lol |
| 15:18.52 | pupnik | i want a Pacer |
| 15:21.08 | qwerty12_N800 | I want a (prepare yourselves for the horror)... M$ ppc - namely the unreleased xperia x1 (i liked my last 3 yr old one :p) |
| 15:21.45 | cyberholic | does Flash work on it? |
| 15:21.51 | cyberholic | I mean Flash 8 ? |
| 15:21.53 | sxpert | qwerty12_N800, get an Xbox 360, that's an M$ PPC for you ;-) |
| 15:22.24 | qwerty12_N800 | I believe flash is supported by adobe themselves on ppc's. |
| 15:22.32 | qwerty12_N800 | I like ps3 more :p |
| 15:22.46 | cyberholic | but not the latest version - i tried it yesterday to make mojocafe.de work on the Nokia n95 but it did not worked out. |
| 15:23.06 | sxpert | qwerty12_N800, apparently it's a sony ericcson product |
| 15:23.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Symbian & sony ericsson phones only have fl lite. |
| 15:23.34 | qwerty12_N800 | sxpert: really? |
| 15:23.53 | sxpert | google tells me that it's a SE smart phone of some sort |
| 15:24.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Oh! The xperia? |
| 15:24.29 | sxpert | yep |
| 15:24.34 | qwerty12_N800 | I thought you meant the x360 8-) lol |
| 15:24.54 | cyberholic | the trailer video of the xperia SUCKS! It is nicely done, but only 5% of the video show the function of the device. They should have seen the n800 trailer..... |
| 15:25.06 | sxpert | well the only MS PPC I know of is the X360 ;-) |
| 15:25.21 | qwerty12_N800 | cyberholic: Blame ms ;) |
| 15:25.26 | cyberholic | :) |
| 15:25.27 | pupnik | i wish desktop PCs could scale down their power requirements to < 25 watts when not doing real work |
| 15:25.40 | cyberholic | pupnik: desktop PC NEVER do real work ;) |
| 15:25.45 | cyberholic | *just kidding* |
| 15:25.56 | pupnik | maybe i should just go with notebooks from now on |
| 15:26.27 | sxpert | pupnik, you can get that... buy an alix board, makes a fine desktop |
| 15:26.46 | fysa | Mac Mini ;) |
| 15:27.04 | sxpert | fysa, intel inside... blows 80w minimum |
| 15:27.21 | pupnik | it needs to compile stuff fast when i need it - going on 3 hours building libraries right now on athlon 2800xp |
| 15:27.24 | fysa | uses mobile processor |
| 15:27.46 | h3sp4wn | Is there a sane way to get my nokia 770 (US version) to see channels 12/13 (Looks like I have been sold the US version even though I am in the UK) |
| 15:28.15 | qwerty12_N800 | I don't think you can, unless you have phoenix dongle ;) |
| 15:28.19 | fysa | sxpert, Mac Mini uses 28 watts while watching a DVD |
| 15:28.35 | fysa | wait. |
| 15:29.03 | fysa | maybe that was PPC. |
| 15:29.34 | sxpert | hah ! |
| 15:29.36 | qwerty12_N800 | O |
| 15:29.37 | sxpert | probably |
| 15:29.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Eh, wtf the o come from? |
| 15:30.10 | sxpert | somewhere |
| 15:30.31 | sxpert | :-) |
| 15:30.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Lol, pidgin & hildon messing me around |
| 15:31.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Back on my comp in 30 mins. |
| 15:31.08 | qwerty12_N800 | sighs |
| 15:31.14 | pupnik | anybody here have an original Apple ][ ? :/ |
| 15:32.11 | fysa | Mac Mini CPU uses 34 watts |
| 15:32.17 | fysa | for the fast C2D |
| 15:32.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Anyone have phoenix dongle/mt-box? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665 |
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| 15:32.56 | pupnik | hehe |
| 15:33.07 | fysa | aha, here we go. |
| 15:33.07 | fysa | yes |
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| 15:33.29 | fysa | 2.16GHz, idle at OS X/XP desktop = 21 watts |
| 15:33.39 | fysa | while running two Folding@Home clients -- 51 watts |
| 15:34.12 | fysa | if it had an 8800GT embedded, I would get one. ;) |
| 15:34.56 | cyberholic | Hey people. At the moment i am thinking about developing some new Mojos with the flickr API. Do you use your device to watch photos or if available at mojocafe.de would you then use it? |
| 15:37.51 | cyberholic | Oh, and does anyone know if there is a way to tell the device not to dim darker when not plugged to charge? |
| 15:38.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Use moredimmingoptions and set for 24 hours timeout ;) |
| 15:39.02 | cyberholic | where to get the moredimmingoptions? i |
| 15:39.39 | qwerty12_N800 | maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ |
| 15:39.41 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 15:40.07 | cyberholic | coooooooooooool! |
| 15:40.19 | pupnik | cool... vst audio plugins under linux http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/ http://www.joebutton.co.uk/fst/ http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:40.50 | qwerty12_N800 | You can also make your own timeouts if you use gconf editor. |
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| 15:41.54 | cyberholic | and if i know how to code on maemo :) |
| 15:42.59 | qwerty12_N800 | You don't really need programming skills :) . I sux at programming but i've compiled modified kernel, done a LOT to my n800 etc :) |
| 15:43.46 | sxpert | so much that it's now a doorstop ? |
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| 15:44.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Nope, it works but more slowly :p |
| 15:44.47 | qwerty12_N800 | If anyone knows me from se-nse, you know hoow much I like to mod :p |
| 15:44.49 | sxpert | haha |
| 15:46.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone have a dbox2 here? I'm tempted to buy one and put linux on it. |
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| 15:48.54 | warlock86 | hello |
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| 15:54.52 | cyberholic | hi warlock |
| 15:56.22 | lcuk_2 | yawns |
| 15:57.11 | qwerty12 | Anybody know how to get my GNOME to run "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0" automatically when logging in? I tried sessions to no effect, I've added and tested successfully sudo entries and the command works when typed in terminal. I've managed to get ndiswrapper to insert on boot, now to just sort this and I'll have a wifi that connects faster than windows. |
| 15:59.15 | KotCzarny | nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/N800_US_en.PDF |
| 15:59.21 | KotCzarny | so it IS a phone after all! |
| 15:59.29 | qwerty12 | OMG! |
| 15:59.51 | lcuk_2 | nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/elephants/guides/N800_US_en.PDF |
| 15:59.56 | lcuk_2 | its also an elephant :P |
| 16:00.08 | Lynoure | heh |
| 16:00.13 | KotCzarny | lcuk: The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. |
| 16:00.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:00.28 | KotCzarny | you're inaccurate |
| 16:00.29 | qwerty12 | muhahahahaha |
| 16:00.45 | lcuk_2 | its just outdated - they evolved |
| 16:01.01 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 16:01.11 | koyote` | oi |
| 16:01.18 | KotCzarny | in the same way you can treat any electronic device as an elephant |
| 16:02.09 | lcuk_2 | last time i tried to treat my device as anelephant i spent weeks building an enclosure for it, but before I was done the hippies came and released it back into the wild :( |
| 16:02.32 | koyote | pupnik: any mods to the angband package since earlier |
| 16:02.38 | KotCzarny | poor elephant |
| 16:02.50 | lcuk_2 | angband? |
| 16:03.07 | KotCzarny | gangband |
| 16:03.11 | qwerty12 | d? |
| 16:03.19 | lcuk_2 | even poorer because they released it into the rainforest and it wasnt waterproof |
| 16:03.21 | KotCzarny | dangbang? |
| 16:03.35 | qwerty12 | Could work... ? |
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| 16:05.03 | pupnik | no koyote - maybe if you could figure out how to specify a proper font size, i would include that in the launcher |
| 16:05.04 | lcuk | how do i get nickserv to automatically accept my password? do i have to configure xchat? |
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| 16:05.14 | qwerty12 | Yea |
| 16:05.24 | pupnik | or any other command line options you find that make sense |
| 16:05.43 | koyote | pupnik: well, i'm going to finish the cloning now and then i |
| 16:05.47 | qwerty12 | Go to network list and choose free node and choose edit and put nickserv password in |
| 16:05.50 | koyote | I'll work on it |
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| 16:06.17 | koyote | lcuk: erc deals with nicserv really well. |
| 16:06.22 | koyote | ;) |
| 16:06.35 | lcuk | its done :) |
| 16:06.46 | lcuk | xchat works well for me - marked as wontchange |
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| 16:07.31 | lcuk | has started playing with the text rendering - hoping to make a smooth editor |
| 16:08.14 | KotCzarny | make a sdl plugin? |
| 16:08.16 | KotCzarny | or lib |
| 16:08.20 | qwerty12 | My N800 is a knob. I just put in usb cable and it restarts 8-) |
| 16:08.37 | KotCzarny | another usb-fried n800? |
| 16:08.39 | lcuk | i was thinking a gtk plugin actually |
| 16:08.45 | pupnik | lcuk sounds like fun but much reinventing of wheels |
| 16:09.07 | koyote | shrugs and continues to do everything in emacs |
| 16:09.19 | lcuk | well - how do i get a standard textbox to slide without aiming for a tiny scrollbar |
| 16:09.20 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny: I think usb is fine, just the N800 was acting weird. Indeed, it worked this time lol |
| 16:09.29 | lcuk | i want to slide anywhere on the page |
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| 16:10.02 | KotCzarny | slide |
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| 16:10.41 | lcuk | yer - scrolling without having to grab the little tiny thing which is also at the wrong side of the screen |
| 16:11.04 | lcuk | curses the normal text boxes (left hander so hand obscures screen) |
| 16:11.31 | lcuk | the web browser does it right but it feels sluggish |
| 16:11.31 | pupnik | ok so now you're sliding the screen, how to highlight text? |
| 16:11.33 | qwerty12 | There's a modified echo theme with scrollbars and you can now rotate NiT into 270* too. |
| 16:11.39 | qwerty12 | *scrollbars bigger |
| 16:12.08 | lcuk | sliding = up down - selecting can be initialised with a left right to get it into mode then up down for lines, or just use gutter selection |
| 16:12.37 | lcuk | rotating 270 degrees sounds like the bomb, but i dont wanna type on my 810 screen upside down |
| 16:13.14 | lcuk | bigger scrollbars arent really the answer - i just wanna move around nicely |
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| 16:13.23 | qwerty12 | Ah, I forgot about that 8-), I guess I am used to N800. |
| 16:13.24 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:13.34 | KotCzarny | and use touch screen what it was intended for |
| 16:14.04 | lcuk | but even if i put it upside down i still have same problem because i still need to do stuff - i want to mirror the contents and stuff but keep the text oriented default way |
| 16:14.09 | lcuk | ie scrollbars on left |
| 16:14.16 | AStorm | heh, is it possible to turn off Selective Availability in N810 gps receiver? |
| 16:14.39 | pupnik | no, it's a hussy |
| 16:14.46 | lcuk | is there a way to turn it on? right now i have no availability |
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| 16:16.27 | AStorm | lcuk: lol |
| 16:16.48 | lcuk | pupnik, re - reinventing wheel - im not expecting to do everything but i am enjoying playing with alternatives. trying to get the right touch based interface - you never know something might work and end up sticking :) |
| 16:16.58 | AStorm | it's a scheme to reduce quality of consumer GPS recvs |
| 16:17.17 | lcuk | SA is done from the sat end though isnt it - its something US gov enable |
| 16:17.25 | AStorm | nah |
| 16:18.02 | pupnik | lcuk: fine, if i were paying your salary i'd put you to work fixing tearing on itFCE NES emulator :) |
| 16:18.06 | AStorm | it's a mandatory feature of receiver |
| 16:18.15 | AStorm | not needed in EU |
| 16:18.33 | AStorm | but prob. still enabled yas gps passed fcc tests |
| 16:18.55 | KotCzarny | pupnik: i believe his work could be reused |
| 16:18.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:19.17 | lcuk | no, SA decryption is something in military hardware. the signal from the sat is sent down with an encrypted block which only mil people with daily passwords can decrypt. the gov can turn on or off this feature AT THE SAT. |
| 16:19.40 | AStorm | you cam decrypt that |
| 16:19.57 | AStorm | it's not hard, sorry :) |
| 16:20.06 | AStorm | illegal in the US |
| 16:20.13 | AStorm | prob. not EU |
| 16:20.24 | KotCzarny | what is it for ? |
| 16:20.52 | lcuk | anyway - SA is disabled and its unlikely to ever be turned on |
| 16:21.00 | AStorm | ... |
| 16:21.26 | AStorm | you don't get that we want a decrypting driver? |
| 16:21.29 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:22.09 | glass | isn't sa off for most of the time |
| 16:22.17 | AStorm | on |
| 16:22.19 | lcuk | its off always now |
| 16:22.25 | glass | yeah since 200 or something |
| 16:22.27 | lcuk | The amount of error added was "set to zero"[20] at midnight on May 1, 2000 following an announcement by U.S. President Bill Clinton, allowing users access to the error-free L1 signal. |
| 16:22.29 | glass | 2000 |
| 16:22.31 | AStorm | mhm |
| 16:22.36 | AStorm | whee |
| 16:22.41 | glass | AStorm: theres other accuracy options |
| 16:22.43 | pupnik | i think wlan scanning for lock-assist is more interesting |
| 16:22.48 | glass | AStorm: that can be enabled on some gps dongles |
| 16:22.54 | Lynoure | pupnik: I seem to get "Error opening terminal: xterm" from frotz when trying to open any game |
| 16:22.59 | AStorm | glass, diff. gps? |
| 16:23.17 | glass | AStorm: some accuracy added sats or shit like that |
| 16:23.18 | pupnik | ok Lynoure do you have ncurses installed? |
| 16:23.25 | lcuk | pupnik, if you were paying my salary i would gladly work on something that wasnt vb or .net :) |
| 16:23.37 | lcuk | ANYTHING |
| 16:23.41 | glass | AStorm: havent fooled around myself.. a friend says you can enable them on some dongles |
| 16:24.06 | Lynoure | pupnik: possibly not, will check |
| 16:25.55 | pupnik | works here frotz ZORK1.DAT |
| 16:26.23 | Lynoure | Seems I don't. and the repos I have do not have it either, so now I need to find it |
| 16:27.09 | pupnik | http://gronmayer.de/it |
| 16:27.31 | pupnik | it should have required ncurses for install |
| 16:28.10 | koyote | tha angband package? |
| 16:30.15 | pupnik | both iirc |
| 16:30.47 | koyote | both? |
| 16:31.03 | pupnik | ncurses angband uses ncurses |
| 16:31.08 | pupnik | ncurses frotz uses ncurses |
| 16:31.44 | pupnik | man, i learned to type playing infocom games... |
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| 16:32.41 | warlock86 | anyone could tell me how to add the "Esc" key to the on-screen keyboard of a n810? |
| 16:32.57 | KotCzarny | use xkbd |
| 16:33.05 | lcuk | pssst you know you can just press the esc thats just at the side of the screen ;) |
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| 16:33.48 | Lynoure | I'm having major candyshop moments with this new repo listing :) |
| 16:34.29 | koyote | installing ncurses is going to be rough, now. |
| 16:34.50 | Lynoure | koyote: hmm, how come? |
| 16:35.07 | koyote | apt-get install failed. |
| 16:35.23 | warlock86 | thanks KotCzarny and lcuk |
| 16:35.28 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search ncurses |
| 16:35.29 | warlock86 | :-) |
| 16:36.11 | konttori | just published new version of nuvopearl (no real changes, just added background) |
| 16:36.13 | konttori | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ |
| 16:36.31 | lcuk | considers joining maemo.org gang |
| 16:36.38 | lcuk | im scared tho |
| 16:36.46 | koyote | gpg error on chinook. great |
| 16:36.57 | koyote | sometimes stuff should actually work. |
| 16:37.07 | lcuk | it would be nice wouldnt it |
| 16:37.20 | KotCzarny | but what we would do then? |
| 16:37.25 | KotCzarny | if everything worked fine |
| 16:37.34 | lcuk | buy the next device needing our superhero powers |
| 16:37.42 | KotCzarny | 'everything' |
| 16:37.52 | KotCzarny | including future devices |
| 16:37.54 | warlock86 | koyote, what's wrong with the gps on chinook? |
| 16:38.00 | koyote | gpg |
| 16:38.08 | warlock86 | oh, sorry |
| 16:38.15 | pupnik | konttori: can you run some imagemagick script on NuvoPearl to make a different shade with not much work? |
| 16:38.26 | cyberholic | Hey people... any voyeurs in here? *haha*... in case you want to see how i live.... |
| 16:38.40 | cyberholic | ... and how my device pimps up my flat: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog/ |
| 16:38.45 | KotCzarny | if you'r 18yo female |
| 16:38.52 | cyberholic | Kot: not yet ;) |
| 16:38.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:39.17 | koyote | package ncurses has no installation cadidate |
| 16:39.24 | konttori | pupnik: Well, in photoshop you do pretty much anything |
| 16:39.31 | konttori | it's one single png file anyway |
| 16:39.31 | lcuk | cyberholic, when you have 800 sat at bedside running flash all night without power cable in - does it last till morning (even till the next couple of hours) |
| 16:39.43 | KotCzarny | imagemagics convert is faster |
| 16:39.57 | konttori | so, yeah, pupnik, it's really easy to make small or bigger changes to the theme |
| 16:39.58 | KotCzarny | (ie. doesn't require you to run pc) |
| 16:40.03 | pupnik | konttori: but the old themes were so many files! |
| 16:40.09 | konttori | then just run theme maker and you'll get the deb for it |
| 16:40.14 | pupnik | niceeee |
| 16:40.23 | cyberholic | lcuk: yep it does! i tried it out a few days ago with the alarm clock i made and it worked! the only problem: when the alarm rang, i touched the screen to stop it but the device took about 10 seconds to "wake up", so you can be sure that i was awaken :) |
| 16:40.23 | konttori | pupnik: theme maker splits the single image to the 'tons of files' |
| 16:40.32 | koyote | apt-get update............. gpg error for chinnok, no pubkey available.....you may want to run apt-get update to correct this problem |
| 16:40.35 | koyote | HAHA |
| 16:40.37 | konttori | also sets the gtkrc colors from the image and so on |
| 16:40.48 | lcuk | cyberholic, must admit - it looks sweet though - perhaps you could put something together to get your mojos running on digital picture frames |
| 16:40.57 | pupnik | koyote: did you check gronmayer? |
| 16:41.10 | konttori | pupnik: here is the plankton theme template |
| 16:41.11 | konttori | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/template/template.png |
| 16:41.17 | pupnik | ty |
| 16:41.17 | konttori | (don't open in n800) |
| 16:41.27 | konttori | 8000x800 pixels |
| 16:41.43 | konttori | Color definitions are at the very right side of the image |
| 16:41.57 | cyberholic | lcuk: thnx. i broke my neck yesterday because i tried to port the whole thing to the n95, but it did not worked out.... wrong flash version :( |
| 16:41.58 | koyote | pupnik: yah, guess i can just add more feeds, since chinook is borken this morning |
| 16:42.17 | qwerty12 | N95 uses sucky Flash Lite :p |
| 16:42.20 | konttori | So, for any artist, it's easy to edit the whole image in photoshop and then just use theme maker, set theme name, author , fonts, click create and Blam! that's it |
| 16:42.50 | cyberholic | qwerty: yep, thats what i found out too.... BUUUUT: the newest firmware of the n95 works with flash 8!!!!! no flash lite anymore... THAT is strange. |
| 16:43.03 | qwerty12 | Wow, that is good. |
| 16:43.06 | pupnik | that's a great thing konttori - hope it gets some blog / ITT activity |
| 16:43.28 | wom- | hmm, where is timezone information stored? |
| 16:43.31 | pupnik | <- nuvoblack fan |
| 16:43.43 | lcuk | cyber, can you run flash without the browser? by default i keep the info bar at bottom enabled so never get full full screen |
| 16:43.56 | konttori | pupnik: I'll blog about it a bit now. |
| 16:44.45 | cyberholic | lcuk: you can turn the navi bar off at the menu with VIEW-->SHOW TOOLBAR --> FULLSCREEN (unchecked) |
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| 16:45.47 | lcuk | yer, but that way i cant browse with it on (as i want) and use your mojos without having to switch every time - would be better to have a single button on desktop to say "mojo" and run yours fullscreen and without having to go through favorites etc |
| 16:46.19 | lcuk | and also to do it without internet connected |
| 16:47.13 | koyote | what repo do i need to get ncurses installed? |
| 16:47.57 | pupnik | koyote: did you check gronmayer.de? |
| 16:48.15 | koyote | i have nokia, nokia 3rd party, sys soft, maemo extras (maemo hackers is borked), elkins.org, eko one, maemo chinook |
| 16:48.24 | koyote | pupnik: yeah. maemo chinook |
| 16:48.30 | pupnik | it is not listed? |
| 16:48.38 | koyote | it's listed on the website. |
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| 16:49.17 | koyote | not in app manager |
| 16:49.20 | lcuk | KotCzarny/pupnik - sdl blitting is done using the cpu isnt it? if it could be done via the dsp then apps would have more cpu time to handle everything. if something like that could be put in place would it help? or does init of the dsp take so much time you couldnt share use with mp3s? |
| 16:49.25 | koyote | and i can't install via apt-get |
| 16:49.29 | pupnik | ahh :/ |
| 16:49.40 | koyote | so, how do i get it? |
| 16:49.41 | Lynoure | weird... according to gronmayer.de, there is ncurses in many places, but it's not showing up in my app manager either |
| 16:49.53 | Lynoure | trying apt-get. |
| 16:49.57 | koyote | that's normal broken, Lynoure |
| 16:49.58 | lcuk | it may be a redpill moment |
| 16:50.12 | pupnik | in app manager you won't see libxxx usually |
| 16:50.13 | lcuk | app manager by default only lists some apps from each repo |
| 16:50.13 | koyote | the app manager displays some random assortment of 5% of what you can install |
| 16:50.21 | lcuk | its the user apps |
| 16:50.22 | koyote | but apt-get isn't working. |
| 16:51.20 | Lynoure | But, alas, I'm not a root. |
| 16:51.31 | Lynoure | koyote: funny synchronocity we are having |
| 16:51.40 | cyberholic | lcuk: well, the point is that there are mojos that require a web connection: for example the newsfeeds or the webcams. I developed the whole project because i think that people in a few years are permanent online. With me it is already like that :) |
| 16:51.47 | koyote | you might want to install becomeroot |
| 16:52.05 | cyberholic | lcuk: about the fullscreen: i tried to force a fullscreen, but the microb does not recognize it :( |
| 16:52.25 | lcuk | cyberholic, but there are many mojos which look excellent which dont need a connection - shouldnt it be the users choice |
| 16:52.37 | lcuk | no - i wouldnt want you forcing anything - its good that it doesnt allow it |
| 16:53.02 | lcuk | on my local computer i can run flash without opening a browser |
| 16:53.03 | pupnik | wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/n/ncurses/libncursesw5_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb |
| 16:53.13 | pupnik | then dpkg -i libncurses*.deb |
| 16:53.23 | cyberholic | lcuk: yep. you are right! the problem is that i do not know how to code a "browser" window at the moment. |
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| 16:53.52 | lcuk | thats ok :) i will certainly keep my eyes open and if something looks promising ill let you know |
| 16:53.59 | lcuk | your mojos are cool |
| 16:54.04 | Lynoure | koyote: how does is it used? |
| 16:54.50 | koyote | that you need to look at wiki for, basic command is sudo gainroot |
| 16:55.01 | KotCzarny | ssh is better |
| 16:55.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:55.12 | KotCzarny | (for gaining root) |
| 16:55.17 | koyote | both work |
| 16:55.21 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:56.49 | konttori | published blog about theme maker |
| 16:56.50 | konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 16:57.48 | Lynoure | KotCzarny: I know ssh, but no idea how to use it to gain local root on OS2008, care to tell me? |
| 16:57.51 | koyote | okay, way too much work for a basic library, but it is there |
| 16:58.00 | qwerty12 | konttori: Very nice! :) |
| 16:58.06 | koyote | Lynoure: ssh root@localhost |
| 16:58.06 | KotCzarny | lynoure: from laptop/pc: ssh root@you_nokia_ip |
| 16:58.40 | konttori | thanks qwerrty12 |
| 17:00.18 | qwerty12 | Thanks for the thememaker, yay, it works in Linux with Java 6 runtime. I couldn't get previous version to work in Linux (worked in XP) but I think I had Runtime 5. |
| 17:01.50 | koyote | okay, brb, switching locations |
| 17:05.27 | konttori | qwerty12: I hope you'll now make some sweet themes with it! |
| 17:05.42 | konttori | And when you do, please put those to maemo downloads as well! |
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| 17:07.07 | qwerty12 | I can try :), hehe, My GIMP & Photoshop skills are very bad :p |
| 17:08.53 | qwerty12 | But I hope more people make more themes, the only original ones i've seen for OS2008 are your NuvoPearl theme & Plankton |
| 17:09.07 | pupnik | jott: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/2008/03/state-of-pingus.html new overview of pingus TODO. If you have time/inclination please join #pingus and discuss performance with grumbel |
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| 17:11.11 | Lynoure | I could try to make a real bad theme... that ought to smooth the road for the timid ones :) |
| 17:13.10 | Lynoure | pupnik: even with libncurses5, libncursesw5 and ncurses-bin, I still get the same error |
| 17:13.32 | pupnik | can you paste error or give me more info? |
| 17:14.21 | Lynoure | pupnik: "Error opening terminal: xterm" |
| 17:14.37 | Lynoure | nothing more |
| 17:15.10 | pupnik | which OS? |
| 17:15.39 | Lynoure | os2008 |
| 17:16.19 | pupnik | i have no ideas. will look for the error tonight though |
| 17:16.42 | pupnik | we're talking about angband, yes? |
| 17:16.54 | KotCzarny | xterm is in ncurses-base |
| 17:17.02 | KotCzarny | i mean terminals defs |
| 17:17.17 | KotCzarny | try apt-get install ncurses-base |
| 17:17.38 | pupnik | thank you KotCzarny \ |
| 17:17.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:17.59 | KotCzarny | i believe someone had the same error with my playfilelist :) |
| 17:18.13 | pupnik | i knew that once but forgot |
| 17:18.32 | KotCzarny | libncurses should depend on ncurses-base imo |
| 17:18.32 | Lynoure | too many ncursesy things in the world :) |
| 17:18.47 | KotCzarny | dependency hell |
| 17:18.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:18.53 | KotCzarny | dependancy ? |
| 17:19.48 | Lynoure | works like charm now... I'll need to find some way not to make it grey on blue, though, but I bet there is an option for that |
| 17:20.00 | KotCzarny | you can edit xterm prefs |
| 17:20.31 | KotCzarny | or hack the source |
| 17:20.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:21.48 | Lynoure | -d did it |
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| 17:23.50 | lcuk | looking at Ti it says the omap includes an IVA (Imaging Video Adapter) - which looking around handles colorspace conversion and scaling. is this considered a part of the PowerVR (and hence NA for now) or is it just underused and could theoretically be used to convert SDL RGB into YUV for sending over the LCD bus? |
| 17:24.04 | Lynoure | pupnik: thank you for all the help |
| 17:24.09 | KotCzarny | i think iva is supported |
| 17:24.15 | KotCzarny | but i may be wrong |
| 17:24.22 | lcuk | if it is then SDL could use it properly |
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| 17:26.16 | KotCzarny | or maybe not |
| 17:27.08 | KotCzarny | what a pity. |
| 17:28.25 | KotCzarny | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/14683 |
| 17:29.38 | KotCzarny | Jakub.Pavelek at nokia : |
| 17:29.43 | KotCzarny | AFAIK there is no USB-OTG in N800. The connector (HW) does not handle it |
| 17:29.43 | KotCzarny | so no effort spent in the kernel either. |
| 17:29.45 | KotCzarny | hehehe |
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| 17:30.01 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 17:30.47 | koyote | wheeeeee |
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| 17:31.21 | qwerty12 | haha fanoush was a genius then as he is now |
| 17:31.31 | lcuk | KotCzarny, but usb otg is now in 08 kernel |
| 17:31.35 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 17:31.42 | KotCzarny | but look at the situation |
| 17:31.51 | KotCzarny | someone in nokia says: sorry, no go |
| 17:32.00 | KotCzarny | and then it changes to: working |
| 17:32.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:32.05 | lcuk | so asking the right questions may end up with support later :) |
| 17:32.20 | KotCzarny | just hopes they will do the same with iva and sbx ;) |
| 17:32.22 | koyote | okay, i am having trouble figuring out the step 6 -fanoush's modified initfs and bootmenu for cloning |
| 17:32.24 | KotCzarny | i mean mbx |
| 17:32.54 | lcuk | its the same with anything, we have customers calling asking for things, at the time we have to (as matter of policy) say no. when examining things and looking around at other things often a change becomes a simple thing and sources are adapted |
| 17:33.33 | KotCzarny | unless product goes end-of-life |
| 17:33.50 | lcuk | (although the customers who ask for a magic button which should know exactly what they want in that sspecific instance are the worst and they never get what they want) |
| 17:34.48 | lcuk | i think once a product becomes abandonware it should be law that its spec is opened up. if you dont want to abandon it, great. but once you do you leave it in a reusable state for others |
| 17:35.00 | KotCzarny | not going to happen |
| 17:35.02 | koyote | that would be good practice |
| 17:35.03 | lcuk | i know |
| 17:35.09 | KotCzarny | see windows 3.x |
| 17:35.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:35.10 | koyote | it *does* happen sometimes |
| 17:35.17 | koyote | see many hp calculators |
| 17:35.26 | lcuk | technically, windows is still in development though |
| 17:35.31 | lcuk | thats just a single version |
| 17:35.36 | koyote | yah, same deal as simcity |
| 17:35.53 | koyote | the reason the original dos simcity isn't free is that they still develop the game |
| 17:36.18 | KotCzarny | but isn't it a different product now? |
| 17:36.25 | KotCzarny | completely rerwritten? |
| 17:36.29 | lcuk | same product line |
| 17:36.59 | lcuk | but you might be right |
| 17:37.30 | lcuk | nokia could get round by saying they still make an n series |
| 17:38.49 | lcuk | maybe turn it away from software and just think hardware - after all we want to treat sw differently re patenting |
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| 17:39.06 | strayhikari | Howdy all |
| 17:39.12 | KotCzarny | http://komalshah.blogspot.com/2006/09/arr-linux-2618.html |
| 17:39.13 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 17:40.05 | strayhikari | Brand new user, just bought the n800 to replace my old palm. I was looking on maemo.org for a nive todo app, and found gTodo, but was wondering if there was somethign better or what other people used? |
| 17:40.12 | qwerty12 | GPE? |
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| 17:41.41 | strayhikari | GPE? |
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| 17:42.07 | KotCzarny | GPE? |
| 17:42.17 | qwerty12 | GPE? |
| 17:42.48 | qwerty12 | http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/#gpe |
| 17:42.49 | strayhikari | Cool, found it, I'll check it out, thanks |
| 17:43.07 | strayhikari | Have any advice for a new user? |
| 17:43.20 | qwerty12 | You will also want http://axique.de/?f=GPE%20Summary with GPE |
| 17:43.25 | koyote | so i want to remove unneeded extra and factory stuff in initfs flashing? |
| 17:43.36 | qwerty12 | Yes, if you want ssh & telnet |
| 17:44.21 | koyote | telnet? that's.... scary |
| 17:44.33 | qwerty12 | Why? |
| 17:44.52 | koyote | telnet server on a wifi device that's going to be network hopping? |
| 17:45.16 | qwerty12 | It's only enabled before bootup if you want it to. |
| 17:45.20 | koyote | ahso |
| 17:45.24 | qwerty12 | It's not enabled when you are in maemo |
| 17:45.41 | qwerty12 | It's meant for recovery if you mess up later on |
| 17:47.07 | KotCzarny | http://www.linkedin.com/in/triloksoni |
| 17:47.11 | KotCzarny | search for IVA |
| 17:47.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:47.41 | qwerty12 | " |
| 17:47.41 | qwerty12 | * Development of IVA (Image Video Accelarator) 1.0 bridge driver on OMAP-Linux. "? |
| 17:47.49 | KotCzarny | next one is nice too |
| 17:48.04 | qwerty12 | ooh, I think I get you |
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| 17:51.23 | lcuk | i got to /me likes it when conversations start |
| 17:51.28 | lcuk | -i got to |
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| 18:00.37 | koyote | crap |
| 18:00.53 | koyote | ./nupgrade.sh 0 is failing |
| 18:01.14 | koyote | sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -l reports |
| 18:01.33 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.53 | koyote | but nupgrade.sh states cannot stat /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:01.55 | koyote | ! |
| 18:07.10 | christefano | does the encryption and signing in OS 2008's default email program use PGP? |
| 18:07.22 | koyote | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 18:08.09 | koyote | ah. rebooting fixed |
| 18:08.11 | koyote | weird |
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| 18:09.23 | koyote | okay, ince i am done with the nupgrade process, rebooting will automatically go into the cloned system? |
| 18:09.56 | qwerty12 | nope, hold down menu on reboot |
| 18:10.01 | koyote | and do i WANT sardine? |
| 18:10.04 | qwerty12 | nope |
| 18:10.04 | KotCzarny | or install bootmenu |
| 18:10.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:10.15 | koyote | i really want a usable system. |
| 18:10.17 | qwerty12 | he's already got that installed from what I read :) |
| 18:10.29 | KotCzarny | oh, then customize it |
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| 18:10.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:10.35 | koyote | i have bootmenu, yeah |
| 18:10.51 | qwerty12 | Defaults are quite nice on it :) , just use cal-tool to set default if you wish |
| 18:11.10 | qwerty12 | Although I was in odd mode and I made a bootmenu.conf with support up to 5 partitions |
| 18:11.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:11.46 | qwerty12 | Dunno why lol, I removed my Linux partition when I tried mmc clone :D |
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| 18:17.10 | koyote | cal-tool? |
| 18:18.50 | koyote | usb hard drive? |
| 18:19.02 | koyote | boots into new environment. |
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| 18:19.54 | koyote | okay, i can't format the dos side of the card now |
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| 18:25.54 | koyote | uh oh. |
| 18:26.01 | koyote | installing ssh is hanging. great. |
| 18:28.14 | KotCzarny | it probably asks for root pass |
| 18:28.22 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 18:28.26 | KotCzarny | and generating keys |
| 18:28.28 | KotCzarny | so wait |
| 18:28.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:28.44 | koyote | yah, took longer this time than last time |
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| 18:32.12 | koyote | now what? i guess a real bash and binutils, emacs, get the bt keyboard working. |
| 18:32.30 | koyote | has 880MB total, yay |
| 18:32.50 | KotCzarny | just don't set bash as a default shell |
| 18:33.13 | koyote | 536mb available. cool. |
| 18:34.44 | koyote | how stable is fanoush's kernel? the mmc high speed sounds..... interesting. |
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| 18:35.27 | KotCzarny | as long your card supports it |
| 18:35.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:39.10 | koyote | yah. patriot 4gb sdhc, actually |
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| 18:43.42 | lopz | bye |
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| 18:45.09 | koyote | ad garnet vm. sweet |
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| 18:51.14 | koyote | grumbles about the bt keyboard |
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| 18:52.54 | koyote | i think something is really wrong here |
| 18:54.20 | fysa | what's wrong with bt keyboard? |
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| 18:56.51 | koyote | won't pair |
| 18:57.19 | koyote | it's an older whink outside, originally purchased for a blackberry, which needed special drivers. so i wonder if it isn't actually hid |
| 18:58.23 | KotCzarny | try with a laptop pc |
| 18:59.17 | lcuk | fysa, could i bend your ear a little regarding a little xv app i wrote? its having cpu power issues and im wondering if theres a clean workaround |
| 18:59.54 | koyote | there are apparently 3 keys you press to set up pairing mode. |
| 18:59.54 | fysa | koyote, the IT recognizes the bluetooth keyboard, attempts to pair, shows you the code to type(?) but no further? |
| 19:00.05 | koyote | but no one says what they are |
| 19:00.18 | fysa | ah, that's a different problem :) |
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| 19:00.27 | KotCzarny | koyote: look at the bottom of kb |
| 19:00.29 | koyote | fysa: well, i just found that |
| 19:00.38 | KotCzarny | mine has the magic code written there |
| 19:00.42 | koyote | KotCzarny: nope |
| 19:00.42 | lcuk | koyote, mail the manufacturer or search for product guide |
| 19:00.51 | fysa | lcuk, sure, but I can't make any promises -- xv neophyte here |
| 19:01.01 | lcuk | or check inside the battery cover |
| 19:01.14 | koyote | not there either |
| 19:01.21 | fysa | maybe take the batteries out for 30 minutes.. |
| 19:01.27 | KotCzarny | mine has: ctrl - left fn - right fn |
| 19:01.33 | KotCzarny | keep them for few secs. |
| 19:01.36 | fysa | and see if it comes back up as pairable when it powers on. |
| 19:01.51 | KotCzarny | it makes it discoverable |
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| 19:01.53 | koyote | KotCzarny: what model? |
| 19:01.59 | KotCzarny | igo ultra slim |
| 19:02.27 | fysa | a trick that works on Windows is to hook up a USB keyboard also, type the passcode on the USB keyboard, then hit enter on the bluetooth keyboard.. ;) |
| 19:02.28 | KotCzarny | try looking for a manual in pdf |
| 19:02.38 | lcuk | ok fysa :) - i wrote a little book reader which has a blit routine to draw glyphs. during the course of doing it i noticed the cpu was slowing itself down unless i wiggled mouse. the more i have optimised it the more this problem has occured. i have solved it for testing by switching my cpu power saving onto performance but i cannot expect a user to do the same |
| 19:02.43 | KotCzarny | fysa: but you need to make kb discoverable first |
| 19:02.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:03.12 | KotCzarny | lcuk: make a switch |
| 19:03.16 | KotCzarny | problem solved |
| 19:03.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:03.30 | fysa | lcuk, I think this is an OS2008 bug. |
| 19:03.47 | lcuk | i dont think its a bug, its just not detecting i want to use the cpu |
| 19:03.54 | lcuk | lol - ok thats the definition of a bug |
| 19:04.07 | fysa | I mean -- the overly aggressive throttling |
| 19:04.14 | fysa | and how it also affects mmc speeds |
| 19:04.59 | lcuk | so leaving it as an option is about the only reasonable solution for time being and i shouldnt worry |
| 19:05.18 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 19:05.29 | KotCzarny | it should be decided by the user |
| 19:05.50 | lcuk | it shouldnt need to be decided |
| 19:05.50 | KotCzarny | more smooth or more battery |
| 19:05.58 | KotCzarny | people are different |
| 19:06.11 | KotCzarny | there's no fricking way to make one app for all |
| 19:06.19 | fysa | how does it work when you alter it prior to your blit functions, then set it back when the app is done? |
| 19:06.34 | koyote | i don't have the same keys as the current versions, apparently |
| 19:07.03 | KotCzarny | koyote: find the manual in pdf? |
| 19:07.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:08.09 | fysa | how long does it take for the CPU to scale up? |
| 19:08.15 | lcuk | at the moment if i leave it as default it winds back to 9fps and judders more (though no tearing), if i enable it then it runs at 27fps and moves smoothly |
| 19:08.30 | KotCzarny | instant if you touch the dsptask ;) |
| 19:08.31 | fysa | or does it never scale from your function? |
| 19:08.32 | koyote | right, it's the think outside shasta model |
| 19:08.47 | lcuk | im not sure but im writing it to the "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" field |
| 19:09.13 | KotCzarny | you shouldn't touch it without user's consent |
| 19:09.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:09.18 | lcuk | i wanted a way to put my process into a higher priority mode, but in reading it sounds like it wouldnt change stepping |
| 19:09.24 | fysa | mp3task? |
| 19:09.24 | lcuk | 100% kot |
| 19:09.31 | lcuk | well kot has suggested this |
| 19:09.48 | KotCzarny | i think dsptask would do also |
| 19:09.52 | lcuk | it very well might work, i will have to see how it goes |
| 19:10.09 | KotCzarny | think: scrolling sounds ;) |
| 19:10.13 | KotCzarny | and tapping |
| 19:10.30 | lcuk | well, i did want to try using the dsp as a blitter ;) |
| 19:10.39 | KotCzarny | will work too |
| 19:10.51 | KotCzarny | if you manage to make a dsp routine ;) |
| 19:11.02 | lcuk | ill give it a try, because it feels dirty setting the governor |
| 19:11.51 | fysa | I believe general performance in OS2008 is worse than OS2007 unless you're pegging the CPU, the aggressive thresholds they use for throttling work to keep the battery life comparable while giving you more top-end seem to fall apart even when simply web browsing.. |
| 19:11.53 | lcuk | i think i will end up writing a hand waving parser sometime |
| 19:12.24 | koyote | aha |
| 19:12.28 | lcuk | yer it scales back quickly enough but doesnt trigger itself up to max easily |
| 19:12.31 | koyote | the shasta isn't bt hid |
| 19:12.34 | koyote | it is serial |
| 19:12.47 | koyote | fanoush at one time had a driver for it for the 770 |
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| 19:12.53 | lcuk | right, ill head down the dsp route and see if initialising it leaves me up at full |
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| 19:13.10 | lcuk | thx fysa & kot :) |
| 19:13.29 | fysa | device/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold? maybe sampling_rate |
| 19:13.39 | fysa | are those in use for us? |
| 19:13.51 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 19:14.10 | koyote | this may be hard |
| 19:14.26 | KotCzarny | koyote: try pairing this kb with a pc first :> |
| 19:14.46 | lcuk | root use = yes - its RO for user |
| 19:15.06 | fysa | lcuk, as you find yourself in a good position to test these things.. you may want to play with up_threshold and sampling_rate |
| 19:15.13 | fysa | to see if you can get it to jump up to full CPU more quickly |
| 19:15.22 | koyote | KotCzarny: it is not hid |
| 19:15.25 | koyote | it isn't. |
| 19:15.32 | KotCzarny | koyote: :> |
| 19:15.34 | koyote | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-6129.html |
| 19:15.37 | lcuk | ok fysa - i will have a twiddle before i alter everything for dsp |
| 19:15.40 | koyote | it is the shasta model |
| 19:15.47 | fysa | because whatever you find that makes your scrolling smooth, that's what I want to use system-wide ;) |
| 19:15.50 | KotCzarny | serial sounds as a battery sucker |
| 19:16.08 | koyote | older bt connection method *shrug* |
| 19:16.19 | koyote | i may try to get it working |
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| 19:16.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Fanoush has a serial kbd driver on his site |
| 19:16.48 | qwerty12_N800 | For os2008 |
| 19:16.58 | fysa | sampling_rate = 156250 |
| 19:17.08 | fysa | up_threshold = 80 |
| 19:17.31 | koyote | qwerty12_N800: yah, i saw it, going to download |
| 19:17.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Skeen, good luck with it :) |
| 19:18.16 | fysa | that means 80% of the currently scaled CPU sends you to the next level up |
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| 19:18.29 | fysa | I believe. |
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| 19:18.47 | kpel | hi all |
| 19:18.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Hello |
| 19:19.30 | kpel | can you tell me what is the right(TM) way to install the latest SDK? |
| 19:19.41 | kpel | Are the scripts for the sdk and scratchbox the way to go? |
| 19:22.08 | keesj | kpel: the "best" thing is to download the applicance , it gives the less troubles |
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| 19:22.52 | keesj | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 19:22.55 | kpel | keesj: not sure what you mean. you mean i should install scratchbox without the script provided? |
| 19:23.15 | kpel | ok i'll have a look |
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| 19:24.08 | keesj | that is really the no brain approach . but installing sbox and such is certainly not an impossible task |
| 19:25.10 | kpel | keesj: i agree 100%. it just seems to be the case that the provided script doesn't work for me although it uses apt-get to do everything (and according to maemo.org is the only supported solution) |
| 19:25.23 | kpel | Setting up scratchbox-devkit-perl (1.0.4) ... |
| 19:25.23 | kpel | E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. |
| 19:25.23 | kpel | E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. |
| 19:25.47 | kpel | there is no bin directory in /scratchbox/compilers |
| 19:26.08 | Veggen | kpel: any errors earlier than that? |
| 19:26.46 | kpel | nop |
| 19:27.21 | kpel | 5G of disk space for the vmware thing? i don't have that much :) |
| 19:27.34 | kpel | i'l;l try to install scratchbox manually |
| 19:28.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Which distribution are u installing it on? |
| 19:28.59 | kpel | qwerty12_N800: xubuntu 7.10 |
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| 19:29.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Were you installing with -d argument? I'm 80% sure that gets dpkg packages rather than tar files |
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| 19:30.48 | kpel | qwerty12_N800: accordign tot he script on debian-based distros the default is -d |
| 19:31.04 | fireun | searched the maemo.org site, found nothing - Problem and QUESTION is - why does my wifi not find any nodes anymore? just suddenly happened, worked at the cafe, doesnt work at home - rebooted home wireless, no change, reflashed 770 with latest HE - no change. |
| 19:31.37 | kpel | the packages were downloaded fine. there was a complain that the packages cannot be authenticated but installation proceeded until the error |
| 19:31.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Oh ok, i installed with -d option manually 8-) |
| 19:32.58 | keesj | fireun: I have / had the same problems on my 770 |
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| 19:33.15 | fireun | keesj: the wierdest thing is - I have two 770s, and they both are doing it now |
| 19:33.27 | qwerty12_N800 | kpel: which version are you installing? |
| 19:33.36 | keesj | once it started even going back to it2007 did not seam to resolve the prolbem |
| 19:33.37 | fireun | keesj: normally, both have been online recently. the media player went borked as well |
| 19:33.43 | KotCzarny | fireun: burned wifi? |
| 19:33.52 | fireun | KotCzarny: on two 770s? |
| 19:33.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:34.02 | keesj | If I play long enough (or wait while in the "detection" dialog at one point it kind of starts working |
| 19:34.16 | fireun | KotCzarny: the one I use the most is usually streaming music, so sure, I could understand one going out, but both? |
| 19:34.23 | KotCzarny | emp? |
| 19:34.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:34.27 | kpel | qwerty12_N800: scratchbox-core_1.0.8 |
| 19:34.37 | fireun | KotCzarny: thats it |
| 19:34.45 | fireun | KotCzarny: micro-emp |
| 19:34.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:35.52 | fireun | keesj: its almost like the media player corruption and wifi breaking are related |
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| 19:36.25 | fireun | running 4.2008.7-1 (updated today) on the most used 770 |
| 19:36.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Kpell:My bad, what number do the scripts have on them? |
| 19:36.39 | fireun | keesj: its like its been "deactivated" |
| 19:36.42 | qwerty12_N800 | *kpel |
| 19:36.54 | kpel | qwerty12_N800: maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh and maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh |
| 19:37.01 | kpel | took them yesterday from amemo.org |
| 19:37.09 | kpel | maemo.org |
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| 19:39.12 | fireun | well I'm just goint to assume a conspiracy - one losing its wifi is one thing, BOTH 770s losing it on the same day, very sceptical of that being "natural causes" |
| 19:39.18 | qwerty12_N800 | That's odd, I used them scripts on ubuntu fine :( i just used this guide http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 and mounted the vmware appliance and took the great bits from that :p |
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| 19:40.37 | fireun | and I'll keep lurking, randomly asking if anyone has any diagnostic ideas to figuring out why no wifi no mo |
| 19:40.40 | fireun | ): |
| 19:42.09 | lcuk | is it ANY wireless thats missing, or specifically just yours |
| 19:42.42 | fireun | searching finds no connections |
| 19:43.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Does dmesg say anything? |
| 19:43.02 | fireun | and I know there are several findable nearby besides mine |
| 19:43.09 | fireun | reinstalling xterm to do that, yeh |
| 19:43.17 | keesj | fireun: and if you first enter a new connection (via the menu->settings thingy?) |
| 19:43.22 | lcuk | but if the problem at your house effects 2 770s and at least one completely flashed then it might be just your house |
| 19:43.43 | fireun | lcuk: seems reasonable, but thats not what I'm seeing |
| 19:43.53 | fireun | lcuk: two 770s with no findable wifis |
| 19:44.29 | lcuk | do you have a wifi computer to check from? |
| 19:44.46 | fireun | lcuk: yeah, my laptop finds several nodes |
| 19:45.02 | lcuk | an EM pulse might have gone off around you - there arent thousands of dead bodies around and other electrical stuff isnt broken is it |
| 19:45.50 | lcuk | if you have a newly flashed model, did you restore the backup after flashing - if so it could have something to do with software installed on both |
| 19:46.10 | lcuk | if you could check immediately after reflashing but not restoring anything |
| 19:46.34 | fireun | dmesg shows scanning 11 channels, shows omapfb_notifier going thru state changes, and aic23 powering up , initing, then powering down |
| 19:46.40 | fireun | and then cycles that last three |
| 19:46.45 | fireun | what is aic23? |
| 19:46.59 | fireun | did not use backup-restore |
| 19:47.21 | fireun | lcuk: oh, no dead bodies, just lots of slavering zombies? |
| 19:47.57 | lcuk | damn, it looks like your town has been infested by Microsoft staff |
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| 19:48.49 | lcuk | it does sound strange that both went down at same time |
| 19:49.28 | strayhikari | Is there any way to have 2008 installed, but use the 2007 theme? |
| 19:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: this sounds odd but what does "chroot /mnt/initfs/ wlan-cal" do? I get - Pushing default country...[OK] |
| 19:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Pushing MAC address...[OK] |
| 19:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Pushing IQ tuned values...[OK] |
| 19:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Pushing TX tuned values...[OK] |
| 19:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Pushing TX limits...[OK] |
| 19:49.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Pushing RX tuned values...Using default values [OK] |
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| 19:50.13 | qwerty12_N800 | strayhikari: i'm wanting the same thing :D |
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| 19:50.52 | strayhikari | qwerty12: ya I love the smaller menus, and the 2007 icons on the left side of the screen look so much nicer than the 2008 icons |
| 19:51.18 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: chroot not found (: |
| 19:51.42 | qwerty12_N800 | strayhikari: Menus I don't think are set by the the theme :( |
| 19:52.00 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: must be a 2008 thing then :& |
| 19:52.10 | qwerty12_N800 | *:( |
| 19:53.00 | strayhikari | bummer |
| 19:53.13 | strayhikari | What about those icons, do you know how to change those qwerty12? |
| 19:53.28 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: yeah, I'm really confused about the loss of wifi on two 770s |
| 19:53.37 | fireun | StRanGE |
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| 19:54.21 | qwerty12_N800 | strayhikari: They are in the pixmaps folder afaik. I would like a dump of the /usr/share/themes from os2007 (anyone? :D) |
| 19:54.44 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: That's odd :( |
| 19:55.51 | Italodance | where is libgdbm3 in maemo? |
| 19:56.14 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: I'm at a loss to explain it |
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| 19:57.45 | Italodance | please send it |
| 19:58.10 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun:have you tried the sysklogd daemon? |
| 19:58.34 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: I was at my gf's connected to a sketchy openwifi, came home to plug it into the stereo, no connection - tried the other 770 just to get music going and it also couldnt find any wifi nodes, walked around the house, nada from both. WiERd |
| 19:58.50 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: you'll have to be more explicit, something I need to install? |
| 19:58.54 | MangoFusion | hey guys |
| 19:59.07 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: Yes, sorry,brb |
| 19:59.09 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: have rebooted the home wifi and modem just for shits and giggles, no change |
| 19:59.36 | fireun | both were running HE two versions back |
| 19:59.39 | fireun | maybe it was a bug |
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| 20:00.02 | fireun | turned off something in the hardware or lower level wifi config files |
| 20:01.03 | MangoFusion | i'm curious |
| 20:01.13 | MangoFusion | would anyone here pay for software on their IT? |
| 20:01.21 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:01.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:01.27 | KotCzarny | but donating |
| 20:01.31 | KotCzarny | that's something different |
| 20:01.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:01.41 | Italodance | :''( |
| 20:01.48 | MangoFusion | interesting |
| 20:02.00 | KotCzarny | unless you get powervr libs |
| 20:02.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:02.12 | koyote | there are a fw things i would pay for, maybe. |
| 20:02.15 | Jaffa | KotCzarny: as an author, I'm not sure I'd even want the donations. I'd just want enough users and positive comments to assure me a discount on the next device ;-) |
| 20:02.21 | koyote | donations are fine, and preferred |
| 20:02.35 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: 'apt-get install sysklogd' should do it. i only did it on chinook, are you in os2006? |
| 20:03.10 | strayhikari | KotCzarny: does the n800 have a powervr chip in it? |
| 20:03.15 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:03.21 | KotCzarny | but no libs |
| 20:03.27 | strayhikari | damn ;_; |
| 20:03.33 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: If you keep the wifi on, set it to auto connect and reboot and check /var/log/syslog |
| 20:03.38 | strayhikari | that would rock, video woudl be so much better? |
| 20:03.56 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: no net connection, will have to get the package manually, then usb-copy |
| 20:04.11 | fireun | qwerty12_N800: using HE-2008 at the moment |
| 20:04.15 | KotCzarny | strayhikari: maybe |
| 20:04.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Ok, I'll check for depends |
| 20:04.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Ok, ttat shouldnt be a prob then |
| 20:04.49 | strayhikari | Can anyone recommend some software for encoding/optomizing videos for the n800? |
| 20:05.02 | fireun | strayhikari: look thru the maemo wiki |
| 20:05.06 | strayhikari | ok |
| 20:05.29 | koyote | mediautils? |
| 20:06.38 | qwerty12_N800 | fireun: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ grab klogd_1.4.1-17.osso1_armel.deb 20.02.2008 & sysklogd_1.4.1-17.osso1_armel.deb 20.02.2008 15:41 56152 |
| 20:06.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Installing with dpkg will be easier |
| 20:07.57 | Italodance | qwerty12_N800 |
| 20:08.11 | Italodance | qwerty12_N800 where is libgdbm3 in maemo? |
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| 20:09.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Wait a min |
| 20:10.20 | qwerty12_N800 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-2_armel.deb |
| 20:11.03 | Jaffa | strayhikari: as koyote says, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ - I'm just working on a new version of tablet-encode as we speak |
| 20:11.05 | Italodance | qwerty12_N800 thank u 1000 :D |
| 20:11.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Np :) |
| 20:15.09 | Italodance | umm what about libreadline4 (4.3-1) ? |
| 20:18.10 | Italodance | tnx no need |
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| 20:20.22 | GNUton | Hi |
| 20:20.35 | qwerty12_N800 | Hello |
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| 20:24.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Irc over Rtcomm is nice w00t! |
| 20:25.39 | strayhikari | Jaffa: cool! Thanks for the info |
| 20:25.55 | strayhikari | I'll definitely be checking out your stuff tonight |
| 20:30.24 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: nah, no nick completion |
| 20:30.32 | AStorm | xchat is better |
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| 20:30.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Do you have xchat on tablets? |
| 20:31.53 | Brains | installed xchat on his N810... He plans on switching to irssi at some point though. XChat just annoys him even though he's been using it everywhere recently. |
| 20:32.37 | qwerty12_N800 | N810 hmm, I need something with hildon keyboard support |
| 20:32.47 | qwerty12_N800 | Irssi annoyed me |
| 20:34.23 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: I found some beta in dusty corner of the interne |
| 20:34.29 | AStorm | for chinook |
| 20:34.35 | AStorm | 2.8.4 |
| 20:34.38 | Tama^2 | google for xchat chicnook |
| 20:34.41 | lmoura | Anybody knows how to get fakeroot + popen (C function) to work on armel targets? |
| 20:34.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Ah ok thanks all |
| 20:34.52 | lmoura | sample C code: http://pastebin.com/d67012c14 |
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| 20:36.28 | Italodance | qwerty12_N800 do u have python2.5-osso_0.3 ? |
| 20:37.39 | qwerty12_N800 | That one i cannot help with, pymaemo should be done from app manager or apt-get, quite a lot of packages afaicr |
| 20:39.27 | Italodance | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.29 | Italodance | :D |
| 20:40.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Fookin brilliant, xchat is hildonised afaic, thanks again! |
| 20:40.14 | AStorm | it mostly is |
| 20:40.44 | AStorm | text area could use scrolling instead of selection |
| 20:40.58 | qwerty12_N800 | I use it as main client in linux & mirc in windows |
| 20:41.09 | AStorm | mirc bites |
| 20:41.23 | AStorm | use xchat for windows from silverex |
| 20:41.48 | qwerty12_N800 | I kinda like mirc with nonamescript |
| 20:41.49 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:41.52 | KotCzarny | anyone noticed |
| 20:42.07 | KotCzarny | n800 plastic case has some 'red dust' in it? |
| 20:42.21 | KotCzarny | visible in direct sunlight |
| 20:42.27 | Tama^2 | qwerty12_N800: partially hindonized, yes :) |
| 20:42.27 | AStorm | don't have N800 |
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| 20:42.44 | AStorm | s/partially/mostly/ |
| 20:42.58 | ||cw | don't worry, that's just radioactive material, so you are easier to track by satellite |
| 20:43.07 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 20:43.09 | ||cw | opps, i wasn't supposed to say that |
| 20:43.18 | KotCzarny | i thought it was toxic ;) |
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| 20:44.02 | qwerty12 | i'm just testin 8-) :p |
| 20:45.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Yes, I like it :) |
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| 20:45.32 | AStorm | use the zoom key to switch chans |
| 20:45.48 | AStorm | full whammy |
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| 20:46.17 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm only ever in #maemo. Sad but I never used irc before except for #xbins |
| 20:46.38 | AStorm | well, I'm on a few chans |
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| 20:48.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Italodance: stop private messaging me. I'm on a slow tablet, I don't have the energy to find packages. Just get a router. |
| 20:48.31 | AStorm | slow? roffles |
| 20:48.41 | AStorm | are using Treo or what? |
| 20:48.45 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:48.56 | qwerty12_N800 | MicroB goes really slow for me p |
| 20:49.01 | qwerty12_N800 | +:P |
| 20:49.02 | dtahtbot | qwerty12_N800: Error: ":P" is not a valid command. |
| 20:49.13 | AStorm | heh, nope |
| 20:49.32 | AStorm | it's fast enough |
| 20:49.43 | KotCzarny | qwerty: use links -g |
| 20:49.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:49.54 | AStorm | not in repos! |
| 20:49.57 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 20:50.01 | KotCzarny | compile one ! |
| 20:50.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:50.04 | AStorm | :P |
| 20:50.07 | KotCzarny | or i can give you binary |
| 20:50.08 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 20:50.15 | AStorm | or rebuild microb with newer trunk |
| 20:50.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Links & links2 are already compiled :) |
| 20:50.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.34 | AStorm | my stupid vmware-server went on a strike |
| 20:51.02 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm not so hot on ncurses on n800 though. |
| 20:51.31 | KotCzarny | links2 is graphical |
| 20:51.36 | KotCzarny | ie. x.orgish |
| 20:51.44 | AStorm | but not hildon |
| 20:51.54 | AStorm | X suckkit |
| 20:51.59 | KotCzarny | works for me. |
| 20:52.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:52.31 | qwerty12_N800 | :) I'm slow with xkbd tho :( |
| 20:53.02 | AStorm | yup |
| 20:54.16 | qwerty12_N800 | This is one of the many times where I wished I had a bt keyboard :p (no, not a n810 :p) |
| 20:54.26 | KotCzarny | has one |
| 20:54.29 | KotCzarny | 25$ |
| 20:54.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:54.41 | keesj | fireun: can you try something for me? |
| 20:55.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Kotczarny: not bad, do they have uk shipping? ;P exchange rate is nice... |
| 20:55.26 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 20:55.29 | KotCzarny | don't know |
| 20:55.35 | KotCzarny | but i hunted it down on CL |
| 20:55.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:56.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Lol, I was j/king :), i'm broke! :O :p |
| 20:57.23 | koyote | i may end up having to buy one if the kbdd stuff doesn't start working |
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| 20:58.38 | koyote | and i suspect it won't be as stable as an hid keyboard anyhow |
| 21:00.36 | KotCzarny | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/03/18/tux-paint-open-source-kids-paint-program/ |
| 21:00.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:01.05 | KotCzarny | 'the coolest thing I've noticed about the program is that it actually has stereo sound. If you drag your brush from the left side to the right side of the screen, you can hear it going across your blank pallette.' |
| 21:01.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 21:02.50 | qwerty12 | router h8s me |
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| 21:04.11 | Mikho | hmm... tell me if I got this right. If I reflash my 770 with the USB port in host mode, I can't connect it to my computer any more? |
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| 21:07.46 | KotCzarny | lcuk: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_usetouchscreenpressuredata/ |
| 21:07.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:09.16 | eichi | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ isn't it dangarous anymore to use a new theme like this? months ago, there was a star trak theme, which destroyed the desktop and cant deinstalled anymore...what about this? |
| 21:09.30 | KotCzarny | no problem here |
| 21:09.32 | KotCzarny | worked ok |
| 21:09.53 | KotCzarny | (n800, os2008) |
| 21:11.09 | eichi | okay |
| 21:11.22 | qwerty12 | nuvopearl is safe, it's not as hardcore as lcars |
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| 21:15.49 | Tama^2 | eichi: just remember to never uninstall a "running" theme |
| 21:16.57 | qwerty12 | i did, nightmare..., i had to reinstall theme, lucky i didn't reboot |
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| 21:19.04 | Brains | likes his LCARS. (But he's married so he can't be all that far gone on the geeky scale... Right?) |
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| 21:19.46 | qwerty12 | isn't a trekkie |
| 21:23.24 | lcuk | KotCzarny, i have implimented that already :) |
| 21:23.53 | lcuk | i get raw mouse events now instead of up/down/motion |
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| 21:26.39 | lcuk | i was playing with strokes and other stuff before i cleaned up the playtest. ive got a tiny drawing app and handwriting program (I was originally going to use handwriting as the base glyphs but ttf came together quicker) |
| 21:26.44 | konttori | eichi: yeah. nuvopearl is perfectly safe. |
| 21:26.53 | konttori | ThemeMaker produces 'safe' content. |
| 21:27.33 | lcuk | eichi, the lcars theme also installed other things and did more than just changed the actual theme |
| 21:28.00 | lcuk | it was a pack which included theme + other tweaks which were not directly themable |
| 21:29.58 | qwerty12 | I want to see adria in chinook :(. mounting jffs2 image has screwy permissions |
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| 21:43.15 | lcuk | aliens in Nivens: "A mote in gods eye" are linux hackers. |
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| 21:44.44 | lcuk | (that was a public information broadcast) |
| 21:44.49 | jaska | o.O |
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| 21:47.12 | KotCzarny | http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=32850 |
| 21:47.13 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:47.18 | KotCzarny | lcuk: link? |
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| 21:48.29 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God's_Eye :) go find the book yourself of get it from a store |
| 21:48.44 | lcuk | has read lots of niven :) |
| 21:48.46 | KotCzarny | ah. book. |
| 21:49.02 | KotCzarny | i thought aliens have landed |
| 21:49.03 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:50.26 | lcuk | nahh as i am reading it im noticing they hack everything |
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| 21:56.17 | Mikho | hello, does anyone know if connection between two usb host ports is supposed to work? |
| 21:56.26 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:57.04 | Mikho | sure? |
| 21:57.07 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:57.14 | Mikho | argh |
| 21:57.29 | KotCzarny | but you can put nokia's port in device mode |
| 21:57.39 | Mikho | without reflashing? |
| 21:57.43 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:57.45 | Mikho | how? |
| 21:57.53 | KotCzarny | there was a statusbar tool |
| 21:58.16 | KotCzarny | and probably via writing to /sys somewhere will work too |
| 21:59.21 | Mikho | hmm |
| 22:00.58 | johnx | it's in device mode to begin with... |
| 22:01.09 | KotCzarny | (i'm assuming you have n8x0 and recent os) |
| 22:01.13 | johnx | by default the n8x0 acts like a usb card reader |
| 22:01.31 | Mikho | I have a 770 and it is flashed to host mode |
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| 22:01.38 | KotCzarny | ah. |
| 22:01.45 | KotCzarny | about 770 i know nothing |
| 22:01.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:02.02 | johnx | me neither. sorry. :( |
| 22:02.11 | KotCzarny | mikho, dig into the kernel |
| 22:02.12 | Mikho | sniff :( |
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| 22:02.19 | KotCzarny | maybe you can compile usb as a module? |
| 22:02.46 | KotCzarny | or it's in rom somewhere? |
| 22:03.59 | Mikho | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 22:04.16 | johnx | that's ok, neither is he :) |
| 22:04.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:06.24 | KotCzarny | mikho: if you simply want to access your 770 files on pc try nfs |
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| 22:15.00 | Cptnodegard | [23:06] <KotCzarny> mikho: if you simply want to access your 770 files on pc try nfs <- or a USB cable :p |
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| 22:17.51 | KotCzarny | i think nfs is more readily available than proper usb cable |
| 22:17.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:18.37 | KotCzarny | because for host-host connection he can't use dumb cable |
| 22:18.53 | KotCzarny | ie. one that came with his nokia :P |
| 22:19.11 | Cptnodegard | i just read the last line and replied something :) |
| 22:19.36 | KotCzarny | yeah |
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| 22:35.07 | lopz | hi |
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| 22:51.00 | antitheist | hi guys, i have a strange question - does anyone know if the maemo device program can be used for more than one device? |
| 22:51.21 | antitheist | (n810 developers discount) |
| 22:52.28 | johnx | is that program even still going on? |
| 22:52.37 | antitheist | i just got my order accepted today (finally) |
| 22:52.45 | antitheist | but they are apparently sending two |
| 22:52.59 | antitheist | leaves me in a moral dillema i thought id find out what the rules are |
| 22:53.54 | johnx | I don't think they're supposed to send two O_o |
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| 22:54.44 | antitheist | me either :-) but it seems a little wrong |
| 22:55.01 | antitheist | they called to ask if i ordered two |
| 22:55.40 | antitheist | i thought maybe that was ok, but i'll probably say no... it seems a bit greedy |
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| 22:56.09 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:56.10 | johnx | did they apply the discount to both? |
| 22:56.29 | antitheist | yes, they refused the first order and then put the second one through followed by the first |
| 22:56.36 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:56.57 | antitheist | im not sure how the contract works, as far as they know the computer says 'send them' |
| 22:57.24 | antitheist | whaddya think? two or not.... |
| 22:57.53 | antitheist | i thought id ask some people that might understand a bit :) |
| 22:57.54 | KotCzarny | is it a trick question? |
| 22:58.09 | antitheist | i think it goes against the community vibe to take two no? |
| 22:58.25 | antitheist | but the best thing would probably be to take two and then run a developers competition to donate it or something |
| 22:58.27 | johnx | this is Nokia we're talking about...you're not robbing from the poor. Maybe you can find someone who could use it to develop and cut them a deal? |
| 22:58.31 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:58.34 | johnx | heh |
| 22:58.37 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 22:58.55 | KotCzarny | nokia will have more in the losses from other sources |
| 22:58.59 | antitheist | you dont think they can ask for it back or charge me more right? |
| 22:59.07 | KotCzarny | ie. unsold devices than actively used ones |
| 22:59.26 | antitheist | i wouldnt want to be disqualified from future programs, I appreciate the discount i cant afford 'one real one' |
| 22:59.32 | johnx | they will probably ask for it back, but who knows if they can legally take it back... |
| 22:59.36 | antitheist | hehehe |
| 22:59.46 | antitheist | the community would hate them if it was going to a dev competition |
| 23:00.43 | johnx | I think something similar already happened on itt or here where they accidentally sold one to someone in the device program for $0 and then decided they wanted it back |
| 23:00.55 | johnx | I don't remember how that turned out |
| 23:01.18 | elb | yeah, that happened to a number of european locales |
| 23:01.30 | elb | they followed the $0 devices up with $99eur + shipping bills |
| 23:01.32 | elb | or some such |
| 23:01.33 | antitheist | i read that somewhere too |
| 23:01.34 | KotCzarny | nice promotion |
| 23:01.55 | antitheist | so the question is really how much i trust nokia to be cool then? |
| 23:02.05 | antitheist | i think ill probably err on the side of caution then... |
| 23:02.10 | KotCzarny | it's not the nokia, it's the employees |
| 23:02.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:02.25 | KotCzarny | play dumb |
| 23:02.34 | KotCzarny | if they ask, return one, keep other |
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| 23:03.25 | UNO | chocolate rain... |
| 23:04.30 | antitheist | thanks guys... the terms and conditions say 'one device' - i guess ill play it safe ... but i had to share it with someone |
| 23:04.52 | antitheist | good advice though |
| 23:05.02 | KotCzarny | but we are not lawyers |
| 23:05.05 | KotCzarny | remember that |
| 23:05.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:05.19 | antitheist | eventually enough of us will be :-) |
| 23:05.24 | johnx | probably for the best. glad to hear the device program finally got around to you though. :) |
| 23:05.47 | antitheist | yeah - finally I can ditch the zaurus and have a keyboarded maemo ! |
| 23:06.11 | antitheist | well, not ditch - its going bsd |
| 23:06.33 | antitheist | have a good night |
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| 23:17.37 | trbs | just ran an apt-get dist-upgade on my nokia n810 and now the poweroff-button and lock-slider arn't working anymore.... |
| 23:17.43 | trbs | is this a know issue ? |
| 23:18.04 | trbs | (and yes i have an insane amount of cataloges installed :( ) |
| 23:18.04 | johnx | it depends on what repositories you had enabled when you did a dist-upgrade |
| 23:18.15 | johnx | yes, known issue |
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| 23:18.35 | trbs | but i saw some updates of nokia come by... but i havn't checked which repository they came from (stupid me) |
| 23:19.08 | johnx | they're probably from the development repo and are the *most likely* ones to mess up your device |
| 23:19.30 | trbs | cause i'm thinking... not much harm if a fix is on the way, possibly downgrading the offending packages (removing the development repo might help :) |
| 23:19.47 | trbs | or otherwise just reflashing latest os2008 release... but it's nice to know people know about it :) |
| 23:20.18 | johnx | most 3rd party developers try to release software that won't mess up your tablet, but Nokia releases whatever they want in some of the repos |
| 23:20.51 | johnx | a dist-upgrade with those repos enabled is definitely a bad idea...and they probably won't release a fix any time before the next "firmware" update |
| 23:21.30 | trbs | hehe sounds like it's the wrong way around :) i mean, repo's shouldn't mess up the device (unless somebody like me is so stupid to include beta/alpha repo's :) |
| 23:21.49 | trbs | but you surely would not expect nokia to release broken packages |
| 23:22.11 | johnx | well their line is "these weren't supposed to be used by normal users" |
| 23:22.20 | KotCzarny | 'normal' |
| 23:22.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:22.24 | trbs | ah well i'll try removing and downgrading tomorrow or otherwise flashing back to os2008 release and just install packages again |
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| 23:22.37 | johnx | also their "application manager" will likely refuse to upgrade to those versions |
| 23:23.02 | johnx | and they don't care much about stopping you from doing whatever you want with apt-get (which I consider to be a good thing, actually...) |
| 23:23.14 | KotCzarny | app manager will refuse to upgrade for misc reasons |
| 23:23.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:23.17 | trbs | hehe yeah but what's a device with opensource community good for if you shouldn't hack your device :P :) |
| 23:23.20 | trbs | yeah true |
| 23:23.31 | johnx | so hack it, but know that you're hacking it |
| 23:23.37 | trbs | only bad thing to say about it, is that a development repo should be red-flagged |
| 23:23.40 | KotCzarny | apt-get ftw! |
| 23:23.52 | trbs | but true true... i was not careful enough |
| 23:23.58 | trbs | :) it's my fault entirely :) |
| 23:24.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:24.36 | trbs | (okey and possibly those repository list site, should not include alpha/beta/development repo's in there 'select all repositories' listing) |
| 23:24.53 | johnx | it's just whatever repos people add |
| 23:25.05 | johnx | people have added OS2007 repos to the OS2008 section as well |
| 23:25.20 | trbs | but i was actually semi-expecting some breakage from just adding every repo in the list :) |
| 23:26.06 | trbs | lazy vs time-consuming-ticking-of-the-boxes trade-off (lol) |
| 23:26.15 | KotCzarny | write a script |
| 23:26.19 | KotCzarny | to tick off for you |
| 23:26.43 | johnx | my solution: only add repos that can contain software I want |
| 23:27.19 | KotCzarny | my solution, install via dpkg -i |
| 23:27.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:27.43 | johnx | KotCzarny, yay! let's resolve all dependencies manually! woo! :P |
| 23:27.48 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:27.49 | johnx | and also, on the tablet I try to suppress my "install updates because they're there" reflex :) |
| 23:27.56 | trbs | yeah i worked like that (and should have continued to work like that) but with easter came this 'i feel bold and lucky' moment............. ending with a dist-upgrade :) |
| 23:28.00 | KotCzarny | ok, you can enable extras |
| 23:28.04 | KotCzarny | but nothing more :) |
| 23:28.32 | kpel | speaking of 'dpkg -i', this actually fixed the problem i was getting with the scratchbox install script |
| 23:28.32 | trbs | i'll just stick to the original plan i guess... specially since i saw a mercurial-package for maemo float by somewhere |
| 23:28.46 | kpel | i just used dpkg -i on the packages it fetched and everything worked |
| 23:29.03 | trbs | wanted to create a small hg repository on my device which has some scripts, .install files, etc to easily backup and script the tabled |
| 23:31.06 | kpel | doed gdb come as part of the dev packages of the SDK or do i have to selectdbg packages>? all dev and |
| 23:31.12 | kpel | duh |
| 23:31.28 | kpel | doed gdb come as part of the dev packages of the SDK or do i have to select all dev and dbg packages? |
| 23:31.33 | trbs | a well... important thing is conformation that is was my stupid mistake :) and not some bug/error in the (maemo) firmware |
| 23:31.37 | KotCzarny | probably with sdk |
| 23:31.46 | KotCzarny | as i don't remember installing it |
| 23:31.48 | trbs | now i can sleep well tonight and fix the problems tomorrow ;) |
| 23:31.49 | trbs | thnx guys |
| 23:31.57 | kpel | thanks KotCzarny |
| 23:31.57 | johnx | good luck trbs |
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| 23:33.29 | kpel | do you knowo of any xchat package ported for chinook? |
| 23:35.25 | johnx | kpel, yes google for "xchat skyhuser maemo chinook" |
| 23:36.11 | KotCzarny | hmm '>' ? |
| 23:36.16 | KotCzarny | erm. wrong window |
| 23:36.18 | kpel | johnx: thanks |
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| 23:57.14 | AStorm | hello |
| 23:57.23 | WormFood | morning |
| 23:57.32 | AStorm | how is wifi brought up in maemo? |
| 23:57.43 | AStorm | certainly non-standard |
| 23:57.57 | WormFood | of course it is non-standard |
| 23:57.57 | AStorm | no wpa_supplicant |
| 23:58.05 | AStorm | dbus? |
| 23:58.10 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:58.48 | AStorm | can't find where to mod for that dhclient to work |
