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| 01:16.32 | kpel | hi all |
| 01:17.56 | pupnik_ | mmm NeXT |
| 01:18.43 | Tama^2 | NeXT what? :) |
| 01:18.56 | pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320230324503&indexURL=3#ebayphotohosting |
| 01:19.16 | jott | slaps pupnik with a rubber steve jobs |
| 01:19.18 | Tama^2 | ih ih |
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| 01:29.11 | lcuk_2 | builds playtest4 |
| 01:29.21 | kpel | could you please |
| 01:29.24 | kpel | could you please tell me if i can upgrade my development environment to include chinook support? |
| 01:30.08 | kpel | currently i have x86 and armel targets |
| 01:32.05 | lcuk_2 | there is an sdk somewhere for chinook - i dunno where though because i use the already self contained vmware image version |
| 01:33.08 | koyote | just got an n800 (trade for an ipod, if I was paying cash i would have got a 810.) that's 3 weeks old. |
| 01:33.50 | koyote | I think after i cook dinner for wife and kids I am heading to a cafe and flashing it, then seeing what I need to add. (aside from buying a bt keyboard) |
| 01:34.13 | KotCzarny | what will you need it for? |
| 01:35.37 | lcuk_2 | can you install software in internet cafe? |
| 01:35.56 | KotCzarny | maybe it has a hotspot |
| 01:36.29 | lcuk_2 | good point |
| 01:37.07 | koyote | yeah |
| 01:37.14 | koyote | free wireless most places in town. |
| 01:37.54 | koyote | I've survived extended periods using various pdas as laptops, this looks like it will actually be enjoyable if I get a fold up keyboard |
| 01:38.22 | koyote | I also have an e61, so I may get a keyboard that has symbian drivers. |
| 01:38.22 | KotCzarny | igo ultra-slim is nice |
| 01:38.32 | koyote | I have an eee as a desktop |
| 01:38.32 | KotCzarny | but get the one with numbers row |
| 01:39.14 | lcuk_2 | ultra-slim-but-not-quite-super-model-slim |
| 01:39.14 | Veggen | I've been n810-only in easter. |
| 01:39.34 | KotCzarny | ultra-slim-enough |
| 01:39.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 01:39.54 | lcuk_2 | veggen - not a problem, unless of course you are lost and are waiting for gps to kick in |
| 01:40.02 | Veggen | getting used to it, but not something I'd be satisfied with for programming etc :) |
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| 01:40.36 | lcuk_2 | kot, did you try running the book on performance - ie have you seen it at fullspeed? |
| 01:40.44 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 01:40.49 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 01:40.59 | KotCzarny | but n800 and n810 are identical |
| 01:41.02 | KotCzarny | (hw/sw wise) |
| 01:41.24 | lcuk_2 | earlier when we were talking governors - if you switch your mode to performance it kicks it into fullspeed... try it on that and see the difference. |
| 01:41.43 | lcuk_2 | anyway, what i keep thinking when im scrolling around is this would be really nice for coding in |
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| 01:43.19 | lcuk_2 | i cant just sudo from default console can i - theres no password available to enter |
| 01:43.35 | koyote | lcuk_2: I haven't clocked up. haven't needed to. |
| 01:43.48 | lcuk_2 | but you dont see it at 25fps |
| 01:43.56 | koyote | I do most stuff in emacs, which is a lot lighter weight than the modern office/ide alternatives |
| 01:44.18 | lcuk_2 | ahhh sorry - koyote, i wasnt talking to you - i say the k and skipped the rest |
| 01:44.25 | lcuk_2 | was intended for kot |
| 01:44.27 | koyote | oh. k :) |
| 01:44.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:45.36 | koyote | I guess I should ask now, anything I need to be especially aware of? all I'm doing is upgrading firmware via linux (following directions), and then installing software. |
| 01:45.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:45.58 | lcuk_2 | what firmware does it currently have? is it still os2007 or has it already gone up to 2008 |
| 01:48.11 | koyote | 2007 |
| 01:48.18 | KotCzarny | go 2008 |
| 01:48.21 | KotCzarny | it's worth it |
| 01:48.27 | koyote | that's my goal |
| 01:49.03 | koyote | right now I have a 4gb sdhc internal and a 2gb sd in the outside slot. |
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| 01:52.14 | kpel | actually apps that were available for os2007 are not for os2008. load-applet and unzip come to mind. |
| 01:52.26 | KotCzarny | zip is available |
| 01:52.27 | lcuk_2 | load-applet is available |
| 01:52.37 | lcuk_2 | i can see it now on mine |
| 01:52.45 | KotCzarny | also there's various archivers gui |
| 01:52.52 | KotCzarny | though i don't remember the name |
| 01:53.01 | KotCzarny | but supports tar/gz/bz2/zip afair |
| 01:53.19 | lcuk_2 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ |
| 01:53.34 | kpel | i can se them in the llist but always get 'file not found' if i try installing them |
| 01:54.15 | KotCzarny | do you use firefox or app-manager? |
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| 01:55.41 | kpel | app-manager |
| 01:55.47 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 01:55.54 | KotCzarny | old/bad repos? |
| 01:56.22 | lcuk_2 | clean your repos and start again - it gets confused |
| 01:59.57 | kpel | if i go to maemo.org and search for unzip i get a brroken link. |
| 02:00.40 | KotCzarny | i have learned that maemo.org has many 'error 500' links |
| 02:00.53 | KotCzarny | but packages are present in repository anyway |
| 02:01.38 | KotCzarny | if you want to browse them by hand use: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/ |
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| 02:01.53 | Species8472 | hi |
| 02:02.00 | Species8472 | I have a question |
| 02:02.10 | KotCzarny | unzip is there for example |
| 02:02.25 | kpel | doesn't sound that good. i would expect better value for money |
| 02:02.31 | Species8472 | anyone? |
| 02:02.32 | KotCzarny | kpel: it's working |
| 02:02.48 | KotCzarny | you probably have some repos broken |
| 02:02.53 | KotCzarny | in app-managed |
| 02:02.58 | Species8472 | who is willing to help me? |
| 02:03.26 | lcuk_2 | Species8472, no1 is going to offer to help if they dont know what the problem is - you must get our interest by letting us know what the problem is |
| 02:03.44 | lcuk_2 | THEN we can ignore you :) |
| 02:03.52 | Species8472 | will you help then lcuk_2? |
| 02:04.14 | lcuk_2 | no - i will not put myself in a position i cannot back out of |
| 02:04.21 | KotCzarny | true |
| 02:04.24 | KotCzarny | same here |
| 02:04.29 | lcuk_2 | tell us what your problem is and let us try to be nice |
| 02:05.38 | kpel | KotCzarny: the url u gave works. the app-manager doesn't (and the user has to do its job instead). but thanks in any case :) |
| 02:05.42 | Proteous | no no no, you have to agree to help first! |
| 02:05.56 | KotCzarny | kpel: it works for me (ie. app-manager) |
| 02:06.03 | Proteous | and you need to sign theses NDAs |
| 02:06.05 | KotCzarny | do as lcuk suggested and clean your repos |
| 02:06.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:07.55 | lcuk_2 | ok Proteous, get them posted to me and the contact I need to speak to regarding my billable hours (at standard rate) |
| 02:08.00 | kpel | KotCzarny: i don't doubt it. but i would expect much more from such an expensive toy hence my comment about value for money. |
| 02:08.43 | KotCzarny | kpel: i believe you can reflash it in <1min |
| 02:08.49 | lcuk_2 | did you buy it new? if so the default repos should be set and you shouldnt have this problem |
| 02:09.13 | KotCzarny | you can BREAK any toy |
| 02:09.33 | lcuk_2 | i had exactly 1 problem when i got mine: bandwidth - nokia were saturated. after it quietened down i was able to get all the software i wanted |
| 02:09.34 | kpel | lcdd: yes new. but it had os2007 on |
| 02:10.06 | lcuk_2 | have you been into the app manager and altered the repos? |
| 02:10.29 | lcuk_2 | (cos if not then my stance changes :) ) |
| 02:11.35 | kpel | KotCzarny: true. but, in my view, a reflash shouldn't be used to fix such problems. |
| 02:11.37 | pupnik | http://www.archive.org/download/Nova_Styrene-Binary_Star/01_Binary_Star_vbr.mp3 music made only with the Apple ][... |
| 02:11.46 | KotCzarny | kpel: but if you messed things up |
| 02:12.20 | KotCzarny | you can't put a blame on developers |
| 02:12.22 | lcuk_2 | i remember hearing daisy daisy sung from a computer from the 60s :P |
| 02:12.26 | kpel | haven't changed a thing |
| 02:12.29 | lcuk_2 | its a haunting rendition |
| 02:12.39 | KotCzarny | kpel: i don't believe you :> |
| 02:12.42 | lcuk_2 | oooer then kpel :P |
| 02:12.44 | KotCzarny | but |
| 02:12.53 | lcuk_2 | twhich country are you in ? |
| 02:12.55 | KotCzarny | check if you have extras enabled |
| 02:12.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:13.29 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, that sounds ... strange ... at best |
| 02:13.38 | kpel | was enjoying my nice point'n'click package management and one day i couldn't apply upgrades... oh well |
| 02:13.48 | KotCzarny | ah. |
| 02:14.04 | KotCzarny | have you checked the log? |
| 02:14.17 | pupnik | cleans out yer ear-wax don't it lcuk_2 |
| 02:14.30 | kpel | yep. file not found. same msg always |
| 02:14.31 | lcuk_2 | thats one way to look at it :D |
| 02:14.35 | KotCzarny | what file? |
| 02:14.42 | lcuk_2 | it wont say |
| 02:14.44 | lcuk_2 | its the gui |
| 02:14.48 | KotCzarny | uhhum |
| 02:14.56 | turbo | pupnik: see? that's why the Beatles figured there was no real issue with Apple & music, way back then... ;) |
| 02:15.39 | lcuk_2 | but it might do ;) |
| 02:18.04 | kpel | KotCzarny: can't tell. 1 minute ago i delete my chinook repos and now unzip is not in the list. never mind, i'll have to reflash it i guess |
| 02:18.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:18.25 | KotCzarny | unzip is in extras |
| 02:18.55 | kpel | what irks me is that |
| 02:19.50 | kpel | back in the os2007 days there was a tonne of software and no broken links. and now... |
| 02:20.13 | kpel | ok, will look in extras. tjanks |
| 02:20.19 | lcuk_2 | there is a discussion about the fragmentation of repos |
| 02:20.33 | lcuk_2 | did you come onboard 2007 near the end of its cycle? |
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| 02:22.59 | kpel | lcuk_2: yes :( Sep 2007 |
| 02:23.32 | kpel | maybe early october |
| 02:24.10 | lcuk_2 | the dust will settle with 2008 as well - lots of new apps are coming out and people are hosting them themselves and so theres a load of repos out there instead of the apps being pushed into maemo stable |
| 02:25.09 | lcuk_2 | no matter what nokia do with the devices they will continue to live - your choice of device proves it - and it will grow |
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| 02:26.13 | kpel | meanwhile, the extras url pasted above doesn't seem to have unzip. but i'm not going to need it so it's ok ;) |
| 02:26.20 | Firebird | hi, how would i execute a command on boot? |
| 02:27.00 | lcuk_2 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ |
| 02:27.03 | KotCzarny | kpel: |
| 02:27.04 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ |
| 02:27.09 | KotCzarny | eh |
| 02:27.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:27.11 | KotCzarny | 2nd |
| 02:27.15 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 02:27.24 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/extrasrepositoryprocessdefinition/ |
| 02:27.28 | lcuk_2 | didnt think you would post crap |
| 02:27.58 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, would you like a playtest? |
| 02:28.04 | kpel | lcdd: i'm not sure about my choice really. especially now that an sdk for the iphone is out there. we'll see. |
| 02:28.15 | pupnik | yes i would like to try it |
| 02:28.50 | lcuk_2 | iphone apps? 1 at a time, no networking, no music, apple get to choose - its shiney, but its not fun |
| 02:29.13 | lcuk_2 | i think i saw your address on your site gimme a min ill mail you |
| 02:30.07 | kpel | KotCzarny: this is what i saw in 'u': |
| 02:30.53 | kpel | parent dir, ukmp |
| 02:31.18 | kpel | and index.html |
| 02:31.25 | KotCzarny | kpel: are you sure you copy pasted my link EXACTLY ? |
| 02:31.38 | pupnik | is hungry for some copypasta |
| 02:33.17 | kpel | KotCzarny: no. i clicked on it. could it be a permission thing? the direct url to the unziip dir doesn't work. |
| 02:34.41 | KotCzarny | kpel: that's strange |
| 02:35.27 | kpel | i wish i could paste in this xchat thing. brb, i'm going to usee my pc |
| 02:35.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:36.00 | kpel | let's see now |
| 02:37.15 | kpel | KotCzarny: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ works like a charm from my xubuntu pc |
| 02:37.30 | kpel | that's it, i'm flashing the bloody thing :) |
| 02:37.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:38.51 | kpel | i really don't understand why with N800 i get this "Sorry, I can't find that file" message. It sort of shakes me belief to rational thinking :) |
| 02:38.53 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 02:39.53 | balrog-kun | rational thinking is overrated anyway |
| 02:40.12 | KotCzarny | i still prefer it to emotional 'thinking' |
| 02:40.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:40.20 | kpel | oh yeah |
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| 02:45.08 | kwan | hi, i have compiled the latest gstreamer with plugins on maemo 4.1 scratchbox and copied it over onto n810. I get the following error when I run gst-inspect : gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so: undefined symbol: gst_video_format_get_row_stride |
| 02:45.19 | kwan | gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaudiofx.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaudiofx.so: undefined symbol: gst_type_register_static_full |
| 02:45.40 | kwan | many lines of gst_type_register_static_full prints out for different plugins |
| 02:45.49 | kwan | how do I go about resolving this? any ideas? |
| 02:47.06 | KotCzarny | mismatched packages? |
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| 02:52.31 | kwan | could you elaborate on mismatched packages? |
| 02:52.54 | kwan | mismatched packages that are preinstalled on the device or mismatch between the gstreamer sources that i recompiled |
| 02:54.24 | pupnik | cool lcuk_2 :) |
| 02:54.31 | pupnik | i lurv it |
| 02:56.05 | lcuk_2 | now i just have to suss out how to run it at fullspeed without needing to alter entire config - kots has the only possible avenue so far which doesnt involve me simply adding dummy code into the blit |
| 02:57.08 | lcuk_2 | (did you see the color test btw?) |
| 02:58.16 | jott | hey lcuk_2 can i see your demo/preview too? |
| 02:58.39 | lcuk_2 | of course, pm me your address |
| 02:59.09 | lcuk_2 | will get an uploadable version somewhere soon enough |
| 02:59.13 | pupnik | sometimes the colorcube movement slows down |
| 02:59.30 | lcuk_2 | are you using -turbo as a root? |
| 02:59.37 | pupnik | ah no |
| 02:59.46 | lcuk_2 | it slows down because the damned cpu thinks its not busy and can slow down |
| 03:00.17 | lcuk_2 | default slowdown appears to be down to 10fps - fullspeed -turbo is 26/27 fps |
| 03:00.31 | jott | hm really stupid.. there has to be a way to stop this without too ugly hacks |
| 03:03.06 | pupnik | normally when reading ebooks i'd prefer to conserve battery |
| 03:03.12 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 03:03.38 | KotCzarny | that's why lcuk shouldn't focus on fps too much |
| 03:03.40 | lcuk_2 | but i do not have a busy wait |
| 03:03.47 | lcuk_2 | i am ONLY rendering a frame on mousemove |
| 03:04.16 | KotCzarny | why not on mousedown? |
| 03:04.17 | lcuk_2 | the only routine which makes it render fulltime is the colorcube one |
| 03:04.30 | pupnik | seems quite fast without turbo - fps while scrolling is ~25 |
| 03:04.32 | KotCzarny | and use upper part/lower part of the screen as buttons |
| 03:04.35 | lcuk_2 | you know what i mean (and besides in raw mode i dont get mousedown/up |
| 03:04.48 | lcuk_2 | i get move event with a pressure - when pressure = 0 then its a mouseup |
| 03:05.19 | lcuk_2 | scrolling = stroking the mouse - it works some of the time pup |
| 03:05.42 | lcuk_2 | but it was not reproducable - i just need to make it actually draw each frame as required as fast as possible |
| 03:06.48 | lcuk_2 | besides - its made me think i want to actually use the screen as a text editor |
| 03:08.09 | lcuk_2 | jott, i am not registered ill just mail it |
| 03:09.18 | jott | hehe registering on freenode is really not a big deal .. /msg nickserv register password and you are done :) |
| 03:10.45 | lcuk_2 | just directly in here? i dont have to visit anywhere else? |
| 03:10.45 | jott | lcuk_2: thanks :) |
| 03:10.50 | jott | yes |
| 03:11.04 | jott | just replace password with something better :p |
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| 03:11.37 | koyote | okay, then |
| 03:11.46 | koyote | yay for internet cafe |
| 03:11.48 | lcuk | but is this registering the computer or the nick |
| 03:11.55 | jott | the nick |
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| 03:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | Then /nick to 2 and 3 and register those |
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| 03:12.34 | GeneralAntilles | Link 'em |
| 03:12.47 | jott | yeah that's extra spice :) |
| 03:12.51 | koyote | so what's the best place to get a howto for flashing 2008 onto the n800 via a linux box? |
| 03:13.10 | kpel | koos__: perfect timing |
| 03:13.17 | kpel | koyote: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
| 03:13.37 | koyote | nice. |
| 03:13.56 | lcuk | dont i need an email addy? |
| 03:14.02 | kpel | i'm downloading the latest 0s2008 image myself. it seems i was using 50-2 while the latest is 51-3. |
| 03:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have problems turning your device on? |
| 03:14.20 | kpel | koyote: you might need to hit reload a few times. the server is really slow. |
| 03:14.31 | jott | lcuk: just if you want to recover your password |
| 03:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk. |
| 03:14.59 | koyote | static or not? xubuntu 7.10 |
| 03:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | kpel, 51-3 is only a bootloader update. So unless you're having trouble turning your device on, don't bother with it. |
| 03:15.40 | kpel | i have trouble with the sanity of the browser and the app manager. if this continues i'm going to have trouble with my sanity as well :) |
| 03:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | What sort of sanity? |
| 03:16.14 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: for some reason both the browser and the app manager don't see certain files |
| 03:16.59 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: in this url for example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/ my n800 sees only until ukmp. unzip and usbcontrol are not there |
| 03:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | Did you screw with about:config? |
| 03:17.24 | kpel | and if i try a direct link to the unzip dir i get a message saying "sorry, i cannot find that file" |
| 03:17.36 | kpel | GeneralAntilles: nop. point'n'click all the way |
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| 03:19.03 | jott | lcuk2: hm looks nice for a start.. it would be good if you could scroll by just touching the lower right corner or a few bottom lines |
| 03:19.19 | KotCzarny | jott: my words, my words.. ;) |
| 03:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you may also want to talk to a staffer about getting a hostmask cloak. |
| 03:20.12 | lcuk | it feels like i am joining a gang :S |
| 03:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | <_> |
| 03:20.43 | lcuk | jott - autoscroll will return - not yet sure about the right interface |
| 03:21.07 | jott | lcuk: pressure sensitive speed? :) |
| 03:21.10 | lcuk | im wary of intiially using too much touch without identification of what areas do |
| 03:21.31 | lcuk | no because you use different pressure with finger as with stylus |
| 03:21.45 | jott | stylus = evil |
| 03:21.49 | KotCzarny | lcuk, start with simple touch/no touch |
| 03:22.04 | lcuk | i had speed proportional to distance from left (left = 1/2 speed, right = 4x speed) it was great |
| 03:22.04 | KotCzarny | and incremental speed scrolling |
| 03:22.28 | lcuk | i also had hot zones for next/previous |
| 03:22.47 | lcuk | but i need some indicator on screen (I did dark grey rectangles under the text) |
| 03:22.55 | KotCzarny | naaah |
| 03:23.03 | lcuk | but it was a bit distracting - maybe i only show them when you are thumbing it |
| 03:23.20 | KotCzarny | don't overcomplicate |
| 03:23.29 | KotCzarny | imagine what would be intuitive |
| 03:23.40 | lcuk | it lets you know what you are doing - one of my problems with fbreader was a tap on the screen moved me blocks of pages down |
| 03:23.52 | lcuk | accidental tap |
| 03:24.02 | KotCzarny | then just start with scroll by line |
| 03:24.04 | lcuk | i wouldnt want the same now |
| 03:24.09 | KotCzarny | and then accelerate |
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| 03:24.21 | KotCzarny | that will give user time to correct |
| 03:24.26 | KotCzarny | and not to loose context |
| 03:24.33 | lcuk | i will put autoscrolling back in - its really easy |
| 03:25.11 | lcuk | i need to also look in mplayer for the blackout avoidance code :) |
| 03:25.33 | jott | yeah i think autoscrolling would be good and if you flip the finger kinetic scrolling would be nice |
| 03:25.56 | KotCzarny | and remember to make them configurable |
| 03:26.02 | lcuk | kinetic is easy as well - and when on -turbo it is smooth as anything :) |
| 03:27.02 | lcuk | i could almost picture myself writing the full interface in it |
| 03:27.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:29.50 | lcuk | the biggest problem with kinetic is that your finger doesnt really do it... its like sliding your finger along the carpet - its not smooth |
| 03:30.10 | KotCzarny | oil it |
| 03:30.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:30.26 | KotCzarny | or wear some teflon gloves |
| 03:30.38 | lcuk | genius! |
| 03:30.48 | KotCzarny | where? |
| 03:30.49 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 03:32.45 | koyote | download, little file. |
| 03:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you need a screen protector. :P |
| 03:33.36 | koyote | oh, i should get one of those. |
| 03:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | Boxwave anti-glare. |
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| 03:39.12 | koyote | man, first time flashing a new device is always nervous making |
| 03:39.23 | KotCzarny | no problem |
| 03:39.33 | KotCzarny | it's 99.9% safe |
| 03:39.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:40.14 | koyote | heheh |
| 03:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I've flashed somewhere near 4 dozen times. |
| 03:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | There's really not much that can go wrong. |
| 03:40.32 | koyote | unlike the old days with the first linux-on palm stuff |
| 03:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't pull out the USB cable. |
| 03:40.56 | koyote | or the very very first zaurus clamshell alternates |
| 03:41.39 | koyote | done, eh. |
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| 03:47.30 | lcuk | nite all :) thx |
| 03:47.32 | koyote | okay, now i need... a 24 hour clock setting (grrrr) and to find software. here we go |
| 03:48.11 | KotCzarny | forget desktop clock |
| 03:48.15 | KotCzarny | get statusbar-clock |
| 03:48.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:48.21 | KotCzarny | nite lcuk |
| 03:48.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 03:49.57 | koyote | huh |
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| 03:53.08 | derf | koyote: If you ever do figure out how to enable a 24-hour clock, let me know. |
| 03:53.44 | koyote | yeah. |
| 03:53.48 | derf | The Europeans get one, but not us. |
| 03:54.07 | pupnik | http://openpandora.org/pandora-boardv2.jpg gotta love designers sharing their stuff with the world |
| 03:55.06 | koyote | really? |
| 03:55.18 | koyote | so it should be a different version of the cclock applet? |
| 03:55.30 | derf | That's what I've been told. |
| 03:55.33 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, what's the Pandora gonna run, anyway? |
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| 03:56.01 | derf | I suspect it's really got some regional settings somewhere that are not exposed in a GUI, but I haven't tracked them down. |
| 03:56.07 | koyote | well, I |
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| 03:56.37 | koyote | I'd expect either to have a different flash download, or that it's a setting soemwhere. |
| 03:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | Been interesting to get ITOS running on it. |
| 03:56.47 | koyote | switching to uk englush doesn't fix it |
| 03:57.26 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: a basic program loader and probably debian armel later on |
| 03:58.05 | pupnik | they don't want OS getting in the way of the emus |
| 03:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | I see. |
| 03:58.19 | kpel | any idea how to upgrade my os2007 devel environment to os2008? |
| 03:58.27 | jott | pupnik: what about opengl? |
| 03:58.36 | jott | (or better opengl es) |
| 03:58.36 | kpel | do i need to rip everything out? |
| 03:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | PowerVR SGX, jott. |
| 03:59.00 | jott | having complaint hardware means a sh** |
| 03:59.04 | pupnik | jott: will definitely have it - not sure how it'll be exposed |
| 03:59.36 | koyote | derf: got it |
| 03:59.54 | jott | pupnik: will you get a dev board? |
| 04:00.16 | koyote | i set my home city to LA (i am in california) my language to english, and my regional settings to deutschland |
| 04:00.19 | pupnik | haha no |
| 04:00.20 | koyote | reboot and bingo. |
| 04:00.54 | jott | still doubts it will get opengl es drivers :P |
| 04:00.55 | koyote | 24 hour clock, sane dd.mm.yyyy display |
| 04:01.28 | koyote | is suddenly a lot more comfortable. |
| 04:02.30 | pupnik | i've read that the PowerVR SGX530 supports full opengl 2.0 |
| 04:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it, jott? |
| 04:02.40 | KotCzarny | with pixel shader? |
| 04:02.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:02.46 | jott | because it's linux :) |
| 04:02.54 | pupnik | yes with shaders |
| 04:02.58 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 04:03.21 | koyote | man, i need that usb keyboard |
| 04:03.55 | derf | koyote: How's your decimal separator? |
| 04:04.30 | koyote | lemme check. i use both types so often i don't even notice. one moment |
| 04:04.58 | koyote | decimal is , |
| 04:05.07 | derf | Yeah, that's no good. |
| 04:05.10 | koyote | there's probably a region that fixes that for you |
| 04:05.13 | koyote | hang on |
| 04:07.06 | koyote | eh, that'll take some rebooting to determine. |
| 04:07.22 | koyote | but now i suspect there's a file whee i can find it |
| 04:07.31 | koyote | once i figure out how to download a terminal |
| 04:08.10 | koyote | blinks at the version |
| 04:08.12 | derf | OS 2008 comes with an xterm. |
| 04:08.33 | koyote | yes it does. cool |
| 04:12.16 | koyote | grrr. no emacs |
| 04:12.32 | kpel | koyote: the xterm that comes with os2008 is quite ok. just don't use the exit command. click the x button instead at the window corner. |
| 04:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | koyote, what, you expect it to come bundled? |
| 04:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | 20MB is an insane amount of space for something 95% of the users will never use. |
| 04:14.10 | monkeyiq | ...but having a sane apt-get install emacs available for those other 5% :) |
| 04:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189 |
| 04:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be ported, package, and uploaded to Extras. |
| 04:14.42 | koyote | i haven't gotten to the download software part of this yet. |
| 04:14.59 | monkeyiq | logs off yet another e-on-maemo URL |
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| 04:15.19 | koyote | nor the sshd part. so i can hack until i get a bt keyboard set up |
| 04:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | Enable Extras and install OpenSSH |
| 04:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | Save yourself the pain and suffering. :P |
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| 04:16.37 | koyote | enable extras... |
| 04:20.48 | koyote | got it |
| 04:22.07 | pupnik | gotta love Japan... "Killer Steam-Powered Robots from Dimension X is a simple arcade game." |
| 04:22.22 | Grackle | haha |
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| 04:24.42 | koyote | installing... defaults to internal memory, i am sure, but can you set it up to install to the internal sd card? |
| 04:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | If you extend the rootfs there. |
| 04:25.31 | GeneralAntilles | But by default, no. |
| 04:26.10 | koyote | fly that falcon if the egg hatches |
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| 04:28.06 | koyote | um. i have no user account settings. that would make ssh odd. how cute |
| 04:29.14 | koyote | user user. i love it. |
| 04:30.07 | pupnik | http://noiz2sa.sourceforge.net/ i'd love this if we had opengl |
| 04:31.16 | Grackle | pupnik, every played this one? http://www.emhsoft.com/ttrooper/ |
| 04:31.35 | pupnik | kewl - no not yet |
| 04:31.41 | Grackle | It's quite fun. |
| 04:31.58 | pupnik | theres also a tempest2000 clone called 'typhoon' that's beautiful |
| 04:32.44 | pupnik | http://typhoon.kuto.de/index.html |
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| 04:33.51 | Grackle | oo |
| 04:35.26 | pupnik | want to help port cool games? :) |
| 04:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | koyote, it's not really a multi-user system. |
| 04:35.53 | kpel | is it ok if i uninstall the map application? i'd rather use maemo-mapper |
| 04:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. |
| 04:36.00 | koyote | it's fine. |
| 04:36.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 04:36.21 | kpel | cool |
| 04:36.27 | koyote | i now need to find what i need to change the regional settings. |
| 04:36.47 | kpel | koyote: how did you get the 24hr clock? |
| 04:37.26 | Italodance | hi |
| 04:38.25 | koyote | kpel: the cheap way. set it to the germany region. |
| 04:38.37 | kpel | aha! thanks |
| 04:38.42 | koyote | but that messes with your decimal and date displays |
| 04:39.19 | kpel | ah, i think i'll pass then :) |
| 04:39.19 | koyote | *I* am fine with it, i've been using . and , interchangeably as decimal separators for years due to working with european militaries |
| 04:39.43 | koyote | so, since others are not fine with it, i am going to find the files and edit one up to post |
| 04:42.05 | kpel | good stuff |
| 04:42.26 | kpel | time to go. goodmorning guys |
| 04:44.18 | koyote | okay, gotta run back home. cafe wants to close |
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| 04:59.26 | Grackle_ | Bad RAM. Weh. |
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| 05:01.40 | Grackle_ | So is there hardware with code/drivers to do 3D accelerated graphics on any of the internet tablets? |
| 05:01.49 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 05:01.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:01.59 | KotCzarny | but unreachable by most of us |
| 05:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | There's hardware |
| 05:03.26 | GeneralAntilles | no drivers. |
| 05:04.15 | Grackle_ | Oh, that's sad. Why are there no drivers? |
| 05:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | A variety of reasons. |
| 05:05.49 | KotCzarny | grackle: only nokia can tell |
| 05:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | Some hardware, some managerial stemming from hardware. |
| 05:06.01 | KotCzarny | everything else is just rumour starting |
| 05:06.11 | pupnik | heh GeneralAntilles they estimate battery life on the pandora around 100 hours playing mp3s |
| 05:06.23 | GeneralAntilles | How big is the battery? |
| 05:06.28 | pupnik | 4000mah |
| 05:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh |
| 05:06.32 | Grackle_ | Man, what a waste. That's unfortunate. |
| 05:06.33 | T0b07ras | Thou dost need'em not |
| 05:06.36 | KotCzarny | laptopish |
| 05:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, performance wouldn't be as good as you think even if we did have drivers. |
| 05:07.35 | T0b07ras | Why, CPU? |
| 05:08.54 | KotCzarny | still. free cycles. |
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| 05:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly the LCD controller. |
| 05:12.02 | pupnik | "Why do people want color displays? These IBM Pc's aren't video-game machines!" - IBM exec, 1981 |
| 05:13.24 | KotCzarny | yeah. |
| 05:13.32 | KotCzarny | you won't play much on xt |
| 05:13.33 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 05:14.14 | Italodance | :o |
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| 05:17.46 | jsn | how do you view windows shared files from a n810 connected to the network via a router? |
| 05:18.24 | KotCzarny | is that a trick question? |
| 05:19.12 | jsn | lol no |
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| 05:22.11 | Proteous | step 1: search for a n810 program that will let you connect to windows shares |
| 05:22.17 | Proteous | step 2: install this program |
| 05:22.21 | Proteous | step 3: profit |
| 05:22.34 | KotCzarny | no no |
| 05:22.38 | KotCzarny | that would be step 4 |
| 05:22.47 | jsn | lol i knew that much' |
| 05:22.49 | KotCzarny | you can NOT omit step 3. |
| 05:22.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:22.55 | Proteous | sorry |
| 05:22.57 | jsn | it says that it's able to do it "out of the box", just wondering how |
| 05:23.00 | Proteous | step 3: ??? |
| 05:23.05 | Proteous | step 4: profit |
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| 05:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | jsn, open up File manager. |
| 05:34.47 | GeneralAntilles | Should be there in the sidebar. |
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| 05:54.54 | kwan | Does anybody know where libgstdspaudio libgstdsppcm libgstdspilbc etc sources come from? |
| 05:55.05 | kwan | i can't seem to find it in normal gstreamer sources |
| 05:55.19 | KotCzarny | can be closed |
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| 06:28.44 | Italodance | YEAH! |
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| 07:11.20 | koyote | I really don't understand this |
| 07:11.29 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 07:11.49 | koyote | these little bags of pork rinds have KOSHER salsa packets in them |
| 07:12.02 | KotCzarny | life. |
| 07:12.04 | KotCzarny | marketing. |
| 07:12.05 | koyote | kosher salsa? for pork? |
| 07:12.08 | KotCzarny | lie. |
| 07:14.06 | koyote | no angband? |
| 07:14.12 | koyote | now, that's just wrong. |
| 07:14.25 | KotCzarny | i believe pupnik compiled one |
| 07:14.29 | KotCzarny | pupnik.de |
| 07:14.32 | KotCzarny | and look for yourself |
| 07:14.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:14.58 | KotCzarny | ok, bed time, night night |
| 07:15.03 | koyote | night |
| 07:17.10 | koyote | searches for the best flash player |
| 07:40.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:41.19 | liri | morning jaffa |
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| 09:10.50 | WormFood | what is going on with OS2008 not being able to connect to some WAPs? Mine was working just fine, then for no reason it stopped working. |
| 09:11.16 | WormFood | now it seems to connect to almost any WAP except mine |
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| 09:21.20 | aquatix | morning all |
| 09:22.04 | qwerty12 | morning |
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| 10:02.36 | WormFood | anyone want to buy a slightly used N800? I got it in January. |
| 10:03.16 | WormFood | I'll trade it for a PSP or 2 or 3 batteries for my laptop |
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| 10:05.18 | unique311 | morning |
| 10:05.24 | qwerty12 | morning |
| 10:05.47 | WormFood | evening |
| 10:05.57 | WormFood | it is 6pm here :P |
| 10:06.10 | qwerty12 | 10 AM here - GMT baby :p |
| 10:06.11 | unique311 | euro |
| 10:06.48 | WormFood | I'm on chinese time ;) |
| 10:06.51 | unique311 | 6 am here in good ole nueva York |
| 10:07.11 | unique311 | hey worm |
| 10:07.49 | WormFood | hey unique |
| 10:08.13 | unique311 | nvm |
| 10:08.20 | tank-man | n800 for a psp, good deal :) |
| 10:08.28 | WormFood | no kidding |
| 10:08.31 | unique311 | I was going to do a digging joke |
| 10:08.34 | qwerty12 | I actually have both :p :D |
| 10:08.37 | unique311 | but very j |
| 10:08.43 | qwerty12 | Except my PSP joystick is broken |
| 10:08.47 | unique311 | hard to type p |
| 10:08.58 | unique311 | on iPhone |
| 10:09.08 | WormFood | I paid about $230 USD for my N800, but I can get a PSP for about $170 (1200 RMB) |
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| 10:09.43 | qwerty12 | The internet on a PSP original sucks though |
| 10:09.52 | WormFood | unique311, as far as a digging joke goes, my name means "underground" |
| 10:09.56 | tank-man | its better on a slim psp? |
| 10:10.01 | qwerty12 | Yes, more memory |
| 10:10.10 | qwerty12 | My PSP would always complain after a few sites |
| 10:10.17 | qwerty12 | I'd have to reboot the thing |
| 10:12.12 | qwerty12 | Anybody give me a link to any AcrossLite (*.puz) file please? |
| 10:12.35 | qwerty12 | I want to test something |
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| 10:18.16 | WormFood | so nobody knows what is going on with the N800 not getting an IP from some WAPs? |
| 10:20.28 | Veggen | does the n810 take mini sdhc? |
| 10:22.46 | Veggen | seems like. hmm. need to find. |
| 10:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | Your APs are broken? |
| 10:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | You broke your N800? |
| 10:26.27 | WormFood | nothing was changed with either one |
| 10:26.41 | WormFood | everything else connects to the AP just fine |
| 10:26.59 | WormFood | and the N800 connects to random APs just fine (but not some random APs) |
| 10:27.22 | WormFood | it seems like if I'm going to be somewhere for a while, it won't connect, but if I'm just passing through it will connect |
| 10:27.48 | WormFood | it must have a critical use detector in it, and when it detects I'm going to use it, it won't work |
| 10:28.03 | Veggen | could it be the power saving features? |
| 10:28.13 | qwerty12 | What channel is your router on? Do you have mac address filtering, WPA? Have you tried setting IP address staticly on N800? |
| 10:28.45 | WormFood | nothing was changed with the AP |
| 10:28.51 | WormFood | it was working one day, and not the next |
| 10:29.08 | WormFood | I can't imagine how it can be any power saving feature, because I turn it on, and it don't work |
| 10:29.37 | WormFood | this is a documented problem. I'm not the only one with this problem |
| 10:29.50 | WormFood | I'm hoping someone know what the hell is going on |
| 10:29.59 | WormFood | it connects to the AP, it just won't get an IP address |
| 10:30.25 | WormFood | I manually set the address and I can ping the N800, but for some god damn stupid fuckin' reason, it does not seem to let me set the default gateway |
| 10:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | Did you reflash? |
| 10:30.50 | WormFood | but that is not a solution, even if it did work....I know what my home network settings are, but I may not know the settings for some other WAP |
| 10:30.55 | WormFood | yes, I reflashed several times |
| 10:31.20 | WormFood | right now I'm trying to download OS2007 (for the 3rd fuckin' time) to try that |
| 10:31.39 | WormFood | I can't believe how slow nokia's web site is! |
| 10:32.11 | qwerty12 | I find connecting to Chinese sites from the UK is slow ;) |
| 10:32.18 | WormFood | I downloaded the last OS2008 releases with no problems, but every time I get to the end of OS2007 I get some stupid error with firefox or iceape or whatever the fuck they want to call it this week |
| 10:32.43 | WormFood | I was downloading earlier today at over 100kb/s |
| 10:32.53 | WormFood | now I'm lucky to get 10kb/s |
| 10:32.58 | MangoFusion | would help if people stopped cutting undersea cables ;) |
| 10:33.05 | WormFood | maybe |
| 10:33.11 | qwerty12 | Ok, I'll put away my wire cutters |
| 10:33.37 | WormFood | it would help if nokia paid for some fuckin' bandwidth! |
| 10:34.08 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. |
| 10:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a routing problem rather than a bandwidth problem. |
| 10:34.36 | WormFood | it was running fine before but not now |
| 10:35.01 | WormFood | if they didn't make me register on their stupid site, I'd just download it to my server in usa, then download it from there (sometimes that helps with slow sites) |
| 10:35.22 | WormFood | asking me for my MAC address is just gay |
| 10:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, not really. |
| 10:35.40 | WormFood | I don't even use my mac address :P |
| 10:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | They're making sure you actually own a device. |
| 10:35.48 | WormFood | so what does it accomplish? |
| 10:36.02 | WormFood | that does not make sure you own the device |
| 10:36.08 | WormFood | I can sniff that mac |
| 10:36.11 | qwerty12 | But the mac address can be faked too :(. Thats how I got my N800 OS2008 image before it came. |
| 10:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | Legally, that's what it accomplishes. |
| 10:36.35 | WormFood | so their gay mac address check does not make sure you actually have the device |
| 10:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Serial numbers for shareware software can also be obtained. |
| 10:36.43 | GeneralAntilles | Legally it does |
| 10:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | which is what matters |
| 10:36.48 | WormFood | legally? |
| 10:36.56 | WormFood | I don't think that helps them legally |
| 10:36.59 | GeneralAntilles | for the software they license from other people. |
| 10:37.07 | WormFood | oooohhhhhh |
| 10:37.18 | WormFood | but still, the MAC addresses are public record |
| 10:37.32 | WormFood | you can go lookup what mac address range nokia has assigned to them |
| 10:37.41 | GeneralAntilles | That's still not the point. |
| 10:37.52 | WormFood | with a little bit of effort you can narrow down which range of addresses are used for the n800 |
| 10:37.56 | WormFood | and/or n810 |
| 10:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | By the way, software generally doesn't have a sexual preference. |
| 10:38.32 | WormFood | and I could have downloaded the os2008 images before it was out, because other people posted the right mac range to use to download |
| 10:39.05 | WormFood | just a few days ago, I drove by a nokia factory |
| 10:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | You're really not getting the point, are you? |
| 10:39.32 | WormFood | I know the N800 is made in korea, but still, I wonder what they make in that factory |
| 10:39.52 | WormFood | I get the point that checking the mac address is gay |
| 10:40.06 | WormFood | I know what point you're trying to make |
| 10:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | That you don't have a point? |
| 10:40.19 | GeneralAntilles | That you just want to bitch for a while. |
| 10:40.23 | WormFood | they are trying to make an effort against unauthorized downloads |
| 10:40.51 | WormFood | they are making a feeble attempt to make sure people who do not own an n800 can not download their software |
| 10:40.55 | qwerty12 | My N800 says it is made in Finland... |
| 10:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | To be quite honest, nobody wants to hear you bitch. |
| 10:41.19 | Veggen | for them, it's ok that you say that yoy own that device. of course they know it can and does get faked. |
| 10:41.44 | WormFood | qwerty12, are you in europe? |
| 10:41.54 | qwerty12 | Yes, I'm in London. |
| 10:42.06 | WormFood | I bought mine in usa (Even tho I'm in asia now) |
| 10:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, the NITs aren't even sold in China |
| 10:42.22 | MangoFusion | finland here too |
| 10:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | So why would you expect them to have a good bandwidth supply there? |
| 10:42.46 | WormFood | because I was getting 100k downloads earlier today from them |
| 10:43.03 | WormFood | you're right, it could have nothing to do with their bandwidth |
| 10:43.13 | WormFood | but I suspect it is, because other sites are blazing fast for me |
| 10:43.25 | WormFood | and by "other sites", I mean sites outside of asia |
| 10:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | Irrelevant. |
| 10:43.59 | WormFood | if you don't have a solution to the problem, then you are irrelevant to me :P |
| 10:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | Fix your router. |
| 10:44.29 | WormFood | I still have not gotten any good reason as to why the N800 won't get an IP address from some APs (when it did before) |
| 10:45.01 | qwerty12 | We havn't recived any good answers. I tried before, all I got was that nothing is changed |
| 10:45.12 | qwerty12 | What were the settings before in that case? |
| 10:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | If you reflashed without restoring a backup and it still doesn't connect, then it's the router. |
| 10:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | is pulling down 1.2MB/sec from tablets-dev |
| 10:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously not a bandwidth issue. |
| 10:45.55 | WormFood | I relflashed with and without a restore from backup |
| 10:46.08 | qwerty12 | Also, I believe, correct me if I am wrong, US tablets use different wifi frequencies ? |
| 10:46.12 | WormFood | and I can't imagine it being anything with the router because nothing was changed with the router |
| 10:46.23 | WormFood | you are wrong qwerty12 |
| 10:46.50 | qwerty12 | fair enough |
| 10:46.51 | WormFood | usa has 12 channels IIRC, and other parts of the world get up to 14 channels |
| 10:47.05 | WormFood | I don't think that is an issue, because my router is from usa |
| 10:47.36 | WormFood | also, the router I'm connecting to on my laptop works just fine....it just won't work with the n800 |
| 10:47.51 | WormFood | like I said, this is a documented problem....I'm not the only one with this problem |
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| 10:48.15 | qwerty12 | I dunno, my N800 connects fine everyday to my router. |
| 10:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | Same here |
| 10:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | Several dozen, in fact. |
| 10:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | I've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\ |
| 10:49.40 | Veggen | hmm. I have another wifi problem. if i go into offline mode and to online mode again, then it won't connect before I reboot. |
| 10:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | s/an/any/ |
| 10:50.26 | qwerty12 | "anyy" ? |
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| 10:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | I've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with any Nokia tablet. :\ |
| 10:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid bot. |
| 10:50.47 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 10:50.50 | WormFood | I used to not have problems, then all of a sudden one day I started having problems |
| 10:51.17 | WormFood | I reflashed and I still have problems |
| 10:51.20 | qwerty12 | Does dmesg say anything when you try to connect? or have you tried syslog? |
| 10:51.25 | WormFood | with or without restoring my backup |
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| 10:51.45 | WormFood | how do I get root access on it without installing some other app? |
| 10:51.58 | WormFood | I doubt dmesg will show dhcp problems |
| 10:51.58 | qwerty12 | Do you have linux on your computer? |
| 10:52.07 | WormFood | of course |
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| 10:52.16 | qwerty12 | Use flasher-3.0 to set rd mode |
| 10:52.25 | Veggen | wormfood: why not install eg easyroot? |
| 10:52.30 | WormFood | ooohhh....I see what you're saying |
| 10:52.44 | WormFood | why not install easyroot? because I can't get an internet connection from the n800 |
| 10:53.03 | qwerty12 | The deb is only a few kb, install it from tablet |
| 10:53.17 | qwerty12 | No dependies (spelling) afaik |
| 10:54.47 | WormFood | jesusfuckin'christ! I just downloaded OS2007 in about 15 seconds to my server, and I've been waiting HOURS for it to download here :( |
| 10:56.59 | WormFood | where do I get "easyroot" from? |
| 10:57.11 | qwerty12 | www.nitapps.com |
| 10:58.00 | qwerty12 | anybody can help me with this: http://pastebin.com/d2b2d9373 ? About in control panel lists two <unknown>'s too |
| 10:58.39 | WormFood | thanks qwerty12 |
| 10:58.58 | qwerty12 | np |
| 10:59.20 | GeneralAntilles | What are you trying to do? |
| 10:59.32 | WormFood | I have been downloading OS2007 for over 3.5 hours....and this time it did not give me an error (last 2 times it gave me an error) |
| 10:59.55 | qwerty12 | General: Fix my about screen. Maybe I'm vain but I don't like it when my N800's software version is listed as unknown |
| 11:00.01 | qwerty12 | I dont really want to reflash too. |
| 11:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, mine's that way, to.o |
| 11:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. :\ |
| 11:00.53 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :). I think I have been messing around with it too much... |
| 11:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not aware of a fix, in any case. |
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| 11:02.40 | qwerty12 | Ok thanks, I thought you may be able to set the info manually with flasher. :( |
| 11:03.41 | keesj | qwerty12: you might not even be able to flash :p |
| 11:04.05 | qwerty12 | Lol, I hope not. But I'm not testing to find out :p |
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| 11:04.43 | keesj | I have been there :P http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/RecoverBrokenDevice |
| 11:05.06 | keesj | that was a white screen of death |
| 11:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | You know what I'm excited about? Running Pandora stuff on the N900. |
| 11:05.39 | qwerty12 | keesj: Eek, thanks for the link... |
| 11:06.30 | qwerty12 | I'm not so keen on buying another internet tablet IMO, TBH, I'd rather just buy a pandora |
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| 11:07.27 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, my desire for a pure gaming device is low. |
| 11:08.46 | qwerty12 | Will N900 have closed components like the N8*0 now? |
| 11:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | Guaranteed |
| 11:10.00 | qwerty12 | :(, kinda puts me off getting another one. I know I'm not a developer or anything but I think more could be done with a Pandora. |
| 11:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the Pandora is ugly as shit. |
| 11:10.28 | qwerty12 | Lol, true |
| 11:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Horrifying, really. |
| 11:11.08 | qwerty12 | True actually, so because they are using same OMAP, would Pandora programs work on N900? |
| 11:11.31 | glass | pandora isn't on store shelves yet |
| 11:11.49 | qwerty12 | But lot of the info about it is already available. |
| 11:12.02 | qwerty12 | I think even a PCB pic is available (?) |
| 11:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | glass, and never will be. :P |
| 11:12.11 | glass | a lot of info about a lot of cancelled devices is.... |
| 11:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they've put up a few PCB shots over the last week. |
| 11:12.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the CPUs will be virtually identical (assuming, anyway, that Nokia goes in the direction my logic circuits tell me they will :D). |
| 11:13.23 | qwerty12 | w00t! I dunno, if I ever get enough money and wait it out to see which device is more popular |
| 11:14.55 | qwerty12 | odd question but is N8*0 based a bit on BB5 platform for Nokia phones? retu & tahvo chips are found in BB5 phones, phoenix supports the N800 & my N800 comes up as a BB5 update device. |
| 11:15.12 | qwerty12 | I guess thats why those chips are closed, if so. |
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| 11:17.08 | pupnik | yeah it'd be nice to see maemo on something besides just tablets |
| 11:17.15 | pupnik | pandora would be 'perfect' for it |
| 11:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | More or less possible now. |
| 11:17.49 | glass | whats the os supposed to be in pandora? |
| 11:17.52 | GeneralAntilles | The important parts, anyway. |
| 11:17.54 | pupnik | 'shipping on something; |
| 11:18.00 | pupnik | i should have said |
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| 11:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 11:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Ubuntu Mobile, then. |
| 11:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | glass, practically nothing. |
| 11:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | A loader, basically. |
| 11:18.26 | pupnik | yes |
| 11:18.28 | glass | ok |
| 11:18.38 | jacky_ | Help. If I want to add kernel module to N800, after I compile the module. Which should I do then. Which software should be installed in N800 |
| 11:19.02 | pupnik | i think insmod exists |
| 11:19.09 | qwerty12 | pupnik is right |
| 11:19.23 | qwerty12 | just use insmod as root to insert a module |
| 11:21.34 | jacky_ | My question is when I connect N800 to my computer. Only the directory in the memory card shows. The system directory doesn't show |
| 11:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | scp |
| 11:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | sftp |
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| 11:22.03 | qwerty12 | You cannot mount rootfs over usb afaik |
| 11:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | You can't mount it on two machines. :P |
| 11:23.57 | qwerty12 | True lol. |
| 11:24.14 | jacky_ | Anyother way that I can log to the N800 in my PC |
| 11:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | scp |
| 11:25.05 | GeneralAntilles | sftp |
| 11:25.24 | keesj | qwerty12: I think you can |
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| 11:26.01 | qwerty12 | But not while the N800 is using it right? |
| 11:26.11 | keesj | *mount the rootfs over usb* ther initds does even provide a menu entry(I did never test it) |
| 11:26.25 | keesj | alright ( I was thinking the oposite) |
| 11:26.28 | keesj | sorry |
| 11:26.40 | AStorm | here the new kernel locks used partition |
| 11:26.54 | AStorm | that is, doesn't export it |
| 11:27.04 | AStorm | no room for error |
| 11:27.17 | qwerty12 | keesj: Yes, that is what I was thinking. I think it would work in initfs |
| 11:29.01 | AStorm | On N810 of course |
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| 11:33.39 | WormFood | this is so god damn frustrating! |
| 11:34.09 | WormFood | I'm about closed to smashing this piece of shit with a hammer |
| 11:34.23 | WormFood | it is a god damn $230 brick now |
| 11:36.48 | Veggen | wormfood: first, get root access on device. second: the wireless-tools might help you troubleshooting problems. |
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| 11:38.26 | WormFood | it is not a wireless problem |
| 11:38.29 | WormFood | it is a dhcp problem |
| 11:41.10 | Veggen | mm, yes. but being able to associate from commandline, then run udhcpc from command line could give you some info. |
| 11:42.02 | pupnik | jott: bored? |
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| 11:57.22 | WormFood | running udhcpd from the command line does not do a god damn thing |
| 12:02.22 | WormFood | they did a shitty job on the n800's networking abilities |
| 12:02.34 | WormFood | I can't even get "ifup" to work |
| 12:03.06 | WormFood | udhcpd gives me no such device |
| 12:03.08 | jott | pupnik: not as much as i would like :) .. why? |
| 12:04.00 | pupnik | gp2x snes emu is compiled and loading roms - needs audio, video and input |
| 12:04.35 | pupnik | WormFood: sorry i don't know the answer |
| 12:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's busybox, WormFood. |
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| 12:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have all the same pieces as a heavier weight distro. |
| 12:05.22 | jott | hmm nice.. but nothing i would want to do atm atleast :/ |
| 12:05.57 | pupnik | hehe ok |
| 12:06.03 | WormFood | I know it is busybox, but still, I don't expect it to tell me the device does not exist when I can see it with ifconfig |
| 12:06.31 | WormFood | did I overlook the arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard...I can't seem to find them anywhere |
| 12:06.42 | GeneralAntilles | You have a giant d-pad on the left. |
| 12:07.20 | WormFood | I never expected that to be the arrow keys |
| 12:07.30 | qwerty12 | Why not? |
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| 12:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | What else would it be? |
| 12:10.26 | Veggen | wormfood: |
| 12:10.54 | Veggen | ugh. (wasn't going to say anything) |
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| 12:20.41 | pupnik | Ok this is crazy. the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. |
| 12:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | Lucky |
| 12:21.59 | sxpert | pupnik, ouch |
| 12:22.05 | pupnik | http://laughingsquid.com/ |
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| 12:24.22 | pupnik | lmao you can book a flight with them |
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| 13:01.33 | pupnik | ever make the mistake of scrolling up in irssi with shift+pgup and then, for a split second, being REALLY confused? |
| 13:04.34 | Veggen | shift-pageup? |
| 13:08.05 | Veggen | hmm. snowing here now.. |
| 13:08.20 | Veggen | much. |
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| 13:16.53 | webustany | hi |
| 13:17.17 | Gepsu | hi |
| 13:17.56 | webustany | how can i uninstall packages with "invisible" dependencies on os2008 ? |
| 13:18.33 | webustany | eg. python-something is required by canolad |
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| 13:18.49 | webustany | but I already removed canola... |
| 13:19.11 | webustany | i don't have gainroot on my n810 |
| 13:19.32 | pupnik | i don't think i do either |
| 13:19.50 | pupnik | i just ssh to root@localhost |
| 13:19.57 | webustany | ?? |
| 13:20.02 | webustany | that works ??? |
| 13:20.10 | webustany | without password ? |
| 13:20.31 | pupnik | you need to install openssh |
| 13:20.40 | webustany | i did |
| 13:20.53 | webustany | gonna test that |
| 13:22.24 | webustany | oh yeah |
| 13:22.36 | webustany | ssh-server... |
| 13:22.48 | Veggen | how can people live without root? :) |
| 13:23.13 | webustany | i couldn't... |
| 13:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's a barbaric world. |
| 13:23.23 | webustany | though i prefer sudo... |
| 13:23.29 | jott | how can people live without ssh? :O |
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| 13:23.58 | Veggen | webustany: sudo is root access in my book :) |
| 13:24.21 | webustany | hugs openbsd |
| 13:24.47 | webustany | yes |
| 13:25.05 | webustany | but you keep your environment |
| 13:28.17 | jott | pokes webustany with an "sudo -i" |
| 13:29.47 | lcuk | lives without root |
| 13:29.51 | lcuk | is a carnivore |
| 13:30.42 | jott | feeds lcuk cows with a root |
| 13:31.12 | lcuk | opens the fistula and throws the rotting material at jott |
| 13:31.33 | jott | evades |
| 13:32.03 | lcuk | picks up jott and puts him into the fistual opening |
| 13:32.04 | jott | gains extra skill "Evade rotting materials" |
| 13:32.07 | lcuk | evade that :P |
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| 13:32.23 | lcuk | (after fixing typo)_ |
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| 13:33.21 | lcuk | is it normal form now to get a hosted machine and install your own CMS on it - or does maemo garage have enough help around? |
| 13:33.23 | jott | eats the cow from the inside out and wins |
| 13:34.33 | jott | hm probably easier to get a blog instead :) |
| 13:35.03 | lcuk | but a blog is so...bleugh |
| 13:35.09 | Veggen | I've always been a run-my-own-services-person. |
| 13:35.30 | Veggen | one learns a lot by doing it, also. |
| 13:35.47 | lcuk | the only easily accessible space i have is google pages, but theres no services runnable - i cant host an svn or bugtracker |
| 13:36.01 | lcuk | but then there is cost veggen |
| 13:36.31 | Veggen | I run everything at home on the adsl line I need anyways. |
| 13:36.33 | jott | well for svn/bt you can use garage or code.google |
| 13:36.44 | lcuk | code google might do me |
| 13:36.55 | Veggen | granted, I don't run high traffic services. |
| 13:37.02 | lcuk | but garage is more likely to get me a cheap nokia at next upgrade |
| 13:37.31 | jott | Veggen: hehe yeah for private use it's fine but i don't want to waste upstream bandwidth if there are better solutions :) |
| 13:37.35 | lcuk | i suppose i will have to have a proper look around in the coming weeks |
| 13:37.56 | lcuk | i do not want to host anything on home - its actually low bandwidth cable (at least upstream) |
| 13:38.16 | lcuk | i could host it on 810 i suppose |
| 13:38.27 | lcuk | that way bandwidth wouldnt be a problem ;) |
| 13:38.36 | Veggen | jott: though - I've considered putting my private stuff on a server hosting platform. |
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| 13:53.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:54.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Afternoon ;) :) |
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| 14:13.04 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: true |
| 14:16.56 | WormFood | <pupnik> Ok this is crazy. the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. <-- I knew that, but did you know he is also a world class fencer? |
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| 14:20.30 | pupnik | heh no. :) checking the wiki now |
| 14:22.13 | WormFood | I've been listening to Iron Maiden since 1983 or 1984 (1984 is when I bought my first maiden album) |
| 14:23.02 | WormFood | Iron Maide has been around since 1976 I think it was when they first started |
| 14:23.05 | WormFood | maiden* |
| 14:23.42 | jaska | old farts |
| 14:23.49 | Veggen | hmm. maybe a colleage of mine knows him, then. He (my colleague) is an international fencing judge and president of the norwegian fencing association... |
| 14:24.14 | WormFood | cool |
| 14:24.16 | Veggen | but i can't see him listening to Iron Maiden :) |
| 14:24.27 | WormFood | I'm not that old jaska...I'm only 39 |
| 14:24.36 | jaska | well, iron maiden are :) |
| 14:24.40 | WormFood | I'm not pushing 40...I'm pulling 30 |
| 14:24.53 | jaska | 27, albeit my 30s-crisis started when i hit 21 |
| 14:25.37 | WormFood | You can say when I hit my mid-life crisis, I moved to China ;) (that is not really true, but some people see it as that) |
| 14:25.45 | jaska | ahh, thought i was in another channel :) |
| 14:26.30 | jaska | its a small internet. |
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| 14:27.19 | WormFood | hehehe...funny, eh jaska? |
| 14:27.34 | WormFood | I've seen other people I know on other irc servers in unrelated channels :P |
| 14:28.51 | ol_schoola_ | funny how much crossover i see in *mythtv-users and #rockbox |
| 14:28.52 | WormFood | anyways, I'm off to bed, I'll see you all l8r |
| 14:28.59 | ol_schoola_ | night |
| 14:28.59 | jaska | nn. |
| 14:29.23 | WormFood | well, jaska and I hang out on a totally different channel, on a totally different server. |
| 14:29.35 | ol_schoola_ | that'll happen |
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| 14:34.14 | czr | WormFood, whereabouts in china? |
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| 14:39.40 | lopz | morning |
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| 14:55.34 | KotCzarny | yawn. |
| 14:56.08 | L0cN800 | idem |
| 14:57.04 | KotCzarny | anything important happened while i was sleeping? |
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| 15:10.12 | czr | KotCzarny, nothing of importance. |
| 15:10.17 | czr | move along.. |
| 15:10.31 | KotCzarny | good. back to sleep then. |
| 15:18.03 | koyote | go bruce |
| 15:19.02 | ptman | has anyone formatted the n810 internal memory card to ext2/3 |
| 15:19.22 | KotCzarny | that wouldn't be a wise thing |
| 15:19.27 | ptman | why is that? |
| 15:19.39 | KotCzarny | because it's a raw flash |
| 15:19.51 | KotCzarny | and no one said anything about wear levelling |
| 15:20.00 | KotCzarny | (as it happens on sd) |
| 15:20.05 | KotCzarny | so jffs2 is a must there |
| 15:20.22 | jott | it's preformatted as fat |
| 15:20.24 | ptman | umm |
| 15:20.37 | KotCzarny | jott: are we talking about sd card or built in flash? |
| 15:20.37 | jott | it's fine to use ext instead |
| 15:20.39 | ptman | I mean the 2GB internal flash disk |
| 15:20.51 | jott | obviously the 2gb card |
| 15:21.05 | KotCzarny | ptman: is that flash disk removable? |
| 15:21.29 | jott | not without opening the device |
| 15:21.32 | ptman | I've been thinking about it, but is there anyone with experience? I'd like to know if software break with a case-sensitive fs etc. |
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| 15:21.47 | ptman | KotCzarny: check out the specs on the n810 |
| 15:22.11 | KotCzarny | jott: built in flash in n810 is a soldered sd card? or one-nand flash ? |
| 15:22.28 | jott | should be some kind of sd/mmc |
| 15:22.54 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:22.54 | jott | dmesg |
| 15:22.57 | jott | oops |
| 15:23.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 15:23.59 | jott | well anyway. it works fine with ext.. fat is evil anyway |
| 15:24.29 | MangoFusion | they solder in sd cards? interesting |
| 15:24.42 | ptman | and do you need a custom kernel for ext3 support? |
| 15:24.54 | jott | no |
| 15:24.56 | KotCzarny | ptman, ext3 module is on initfs |
| 15:25.17 | ptman | good |
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| 15:29.22 | KotCzarny | i wonder why they haven't made a solution similiar to n800 |
| 15:29.44 | KotCzarny | ie. one easily removable and one hidden under-cover slot |
| 15:30.18 | MangoFusion | could be that they want to encourage people to buy new units when and if the internal memory goes kaput |
| 15:30.22 | KotCzarny | maybe they were afraid people will overwrite bootloader then |
| 15:30.25 | jott | is there actually anyone who disassembled his/her n810? |
| 15:30.41 | KotCzarny | i have seen naked n800's photos |
| 15:30.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:30.51 | jott | yeah they are of no interests :P |
| 15:31.07 | KotCzarny | i liked them :P |
| 15:31.13 | KotCzarny | *geekpr0n* |
| 15:31.35 | jott | booring .. i want to see n810 nude pics :) |
| 15:31.47 | czr | only if the pics include close-up shots of the chips! |
| 15:31.54 | jott | yeah give it to me! |
| 15:32.19 | KotCzarny | czr: they were a closeups |
| 15:32.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 15:32.56 | czr | drools a bit. |
| 15:33.02 | jott | but it's really strange as most devices get disassembled sooner or later by people who know they will get them back together easily afterwards :) |
| 15:33.13 | czr | although I bet it's not as sexy as a proper BER-decode of an X.509 |
| 15:33.18 | unique311 | after owning an iphone for more than a day, i can honestly say that i love my n800 more much. |
| 15:33.24 | jott | but n800 is milf stuff :P |
| 15:33.36 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 15:33.37 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 15:33.43 | KotCzarny | better milf in hand.. :P |
| 15:33.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:33.55 | czr | milf always reminds me of the email addresses of the finnish military people |
| 15:33.57 | czr | @mil.fi |
| 15:34.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:34.07 | czr | which.. for obvious reasons, it quite funny when sending them email. |
| 15:34.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:34.27 | KotCzarny | htc looks interesting |
| 15:34.38 | KotCzarny | http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1080 |
| 15:34.44 | KotCzarny | no naked but overall chic |
| 15:34.59 | KotCzarny | brb. breakfast |
| 15:35.02 | unique311 | but maybe my iphone judgements are premature... |
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| 15:36.13 | MangoFusion | i tried out an ipod touch a while ago. didn't really get what the fuss was about |
| 15:36.26 | MangoFusion | apart from the nice transitions |
| 15:36.41 | unique311 | i think thats it... |
| 15:36.49 | unique311 | really nice gui |
| 15:37.39 | MangoFusion | personally i like my n800 more ;) |
| 15:37.49 | jott | this htc thing is huge :O |
| 15:37.55 | MangoFusion | (e.g i don't need a pc to plonk music on for starters!) |
| 15:40.01 | jott | http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/11435-HTC-Shift-vs-Nokia-n810 hm :O |
| 15:41.39 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.43 | Veggen | eeek. |
| 15:42.33 | Veggen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.33 | MangoFusion | what?! an IT isn't a phone? OMFWTF?! ;) |
| 15:42.45 | MangoFusion | 208m? wow |
| 15:42.47 | unique311 | i guess it is |
| 15:43.13 | jott | you can skype and voip - hence it's a phone :) |
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| 15:43.58 | jott | man landline connections are voip nowadays too :) |
| 15:44.01 | jott | many |
| 15:45.16 | unique311 | not a cellular phone |
| 15:45.16 | unique311 | comeback for that one |
| 15:46.12 | jott | well we are not far aways from cellular voice going over ip in larger scale |
| 15:47.20 | unique311 | tmobile is offering something like this... |
| 15:50.29 | KotCzarny | top isn't an exact mem checker |
| 15:52.30 | czr | it's not even close to exact. |
| 15:53.19 | KotCzarny | top isn't a benchmark too |
| 15:53.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:53.48 | Veggen | well. it's usually not *that* wrong? unless you're thinking about shared memory usage, etc... |
| 15:53.51 | jott | well it's exact but the number is not what people think it is :) |
| 15:54.15 | jott | though /proc/$PID/status is a bit more verbose :) |
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| 16:02.43 | koyote | fails to find an angband. |
| 16:02.51 | KotCzarny | ask pupnik |
| 16:02.53 | koyote | actually, not a lot of games of types i do play are ported |
| 16:02.54 | MangoFusion | neat, moving my menu bar to the bottom (when rotated) now allows me to see the call button in skype. muhahah |
| 16:03.01 | KotCzarny | pupnik.de |
| 16:03.08 | koyote | i looked on pupnik's page. |
| 16:03.12 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 16:03.19 | KotCzarny | i believe i have seen nethack there |
| 16:03.21 | keesj | MangoFusion: screen shot? |
| 16:03.34 | KotCzarny | and i believe zangband will compile in scratchbox without a problem |
| 16:03.35 | keesj | frozen bubble must also be nice rotated |
| 16:03.47 | KotCzarny | there's another bubble clone |
| 16:03.48 | koyote | there's tome |
| 16:03.51 | KotCzarny | forgot the name |
| 16:03.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:04.03 | koyote | not fond of nethack so much. |
| 16:04.08 | koyote | freeciv? |
| 16:04.12 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 16:04.24 | KotCzarny | have you tried compiling in sb/sdk ? |
| 16:04.51 | pupnik | i have an angband? |
| 16:05.15 | KotCzarny | i thought i have seen it somewhere , hum |
| 16:05.32 | pupnik | well, there was one being worked on |
| 16:05.43 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 16:05.46 | KotCzarny | i knew it! |
| 16:05.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:06.39 | koyote | angband, emacs, vlc and I can get rid of my laptop |
| 16:06.41 | MangoFusion | hmm appears that taking a screenshot does not work correctly (using that status applet) |
| 16:07.27 | jott | MangoFusion: imagemagick works fine though.. |
| 16:07.46 | pupnik | hmm i have angband armel here and never uploaded it? |
| 16:08.25 | pupnik | koyote: want 3.0.6 or 3.0.9 ? |
| 16:08.57 | MangoFusion | can't be arsed to install that |
| 16:09.03 | qwerty12 | MangoFusion: Screenshot in rotation? |
| 16:09.09 | MangoFusion | yeah |
| 16:09.15 | KotCzarny | yup. |
| 16:09.17 | qwerty12 | I use the mh shot tool. |
| 16:09.21 | MangoFusion | ah |
| 16:09.27 | jott | MangoFusion: i use "import -window root foo.png" :) |
| 16:09.34 | KotCzarny | but it's because s-tool expects fixed size i believe |
| 16:10.03 | qwerty12 | load applet works a *bit* better if you set it to low level screenshots |
| 16:10.54 | koyote | pupnik: either, but 3.0.9 is better, i think |
| 16:11.29 | koyote | I agree with the new direction. though scripting is handy with limited inputs. |
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| 16:14.29 | MangoFusion | just used the old fashioned approach |
| 16:14.30 | MangoFusion | http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n800rotskqs0.jpg |
| 16:14.32 | pupnik | koyote http://pupnik.de/angband_3.0.9-1_armel.deb angband (sdl) |
| 16:14.51 | pupnik | thanks KotCzarny |
| 16:14.53 | MangoFusion | see? big fat call button nicely visible. and contact picture too |
| 16:15.00 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 16:15.45 | keesj | MangoFusion: nice |
| 16:15.57 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:16.12 | MangoFusion | generally speaking i think the rotate stuff is great |
| 16:16.14 | KotCzarny | how did you get upright skype and menubar on the bottom? |
| 16:16.24 | MangoFusion | just wish there was support by default |
| 16:16.32 | qwerty12 | Drag the menu bar to bottom in rotation mode. |
| 16:16.37 | MangoFusion | menubar on bottom? rotate then drag with the stylus |
| 16:16.37 | KotCzarny | oo |
| 16:16.41 | KotCzarny | it's draggable? |
| 16:16.44 | qwerty12 | Yea |
| 16:16.45 | pupnik | that looks to be dawnmists build |
| 16:16.52 | MangoFusion | doesn't work in normal mode though, very odd |
| 16:16.53 | KotCzarny | first time i heard about it |
| 16:16.54 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 16:17.19 | jott | oops amazing :) |
| 16:17.57 | KotCzarny | tries it |
| 16:17.58 | jott | must be a stupid hack.. if (width=800 && height=480) return YOU_SUCK; :) |
| 16:18.12 | MangoFusion | actually seems to be working in normal mode now. though i've never tried it before without rotation so i have little basis for speculation |
| 16:18.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:18.25 | KotCzarny | how do i drag it? |
| 16:18.36 | qwerty12 | drag from under task navigator |
| 16:18.39 | MangoFusion | i start at the bottom just before the window bar |
| 16:18.46 | MangoFusion | then drag to an edge |
| 16:18.46 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 16:18.53 | KotCzarny | it disappeared :/ |
| 16:18.56 | KotCzarny | totally :/ |
| 16:19.05 | KotCzarny | now i'm without menubar |
| 16:19.08 | koyote | pupnik: cool, gonna try it out. |
| 16:19.19 | jott | KotCzarny: you dragged it out of the screen :) |
| 16:19.27 | qwerty12 | Has anybody tried Bundyo's newly compiled mplayer ? flv works perfectly compared to Serge's build but menu doesn't work and gmplayer is broken :(. |
| 16:19.37 | KotCzarny | jott, yeah, sure, now how do i get it back? |
| 16:19.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:19.38 | jott | hm still i can't drag it in normal mode.. just rotated |
| 16:19.43 | jott | rotate? :) |
| 16:19.57 | MangoFusion | seems to work fine in normal mode for me atm |
| 16:20.02 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 16:20.07 | KotCzarny | it's gone! |
| 16:20.10 | KotCzarny | argh?! |
| 16:20.21 | qwerty12 | Take out your battery quick :p |
| 16:20.41 | MangoFusion | its a little bit unpredictable i think |
| 16:20.53 | KotCzarny | i want my menubar back :/ |
| 16:21.09 | jott | MangoFusion: hmm right when you move it when rotated and let it in the non default position then i can drag it too |
| 16:21.17 | MangoFusion | crap now mine has gone |
| 16:21.21 | jott | haha |
| 16:21.21 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 16:21.28 | KotCzarny | it's contagious ;) |
| 16:21.43 | qwerty12 | 3rd time lucky for someone? :p |
| 16:21.52 | KotCzarny | qwerty: your turn :P |
| 16:21.53 | jott | now has the menubar on top in non rotated mode :O that looks ugly |
| 16:22.10 | MangoFusion | would be lovely if i could get it bacl |
| 16:23.23 | MangoFusion | ok restarted and now its in the default position again *phew* |
| 16:23.25 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-menu-gone.png |
| 16:23.47 | qwerty12 | That actually looks good :p |
| 16:23.49 | jott | http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5020/fuglyiw6.png :) |
| 16:23.54 | jott | that is ugly :o |
| 16:24.33 | koyote | I am missing libsdl-ttf and hildon-libs |
| 16:24.37 | koyote | guess I should fix that |
| 16:24.58 | jott | still a really nice find :) |
| 16:25.02 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:25.08 | jott | esp. when rotated |
| 16:25.12 | koyote | have to find the, of course |
| 16:25.14 | KotCzarny | but could be nice if it worked realiably |
| 16:25.24 | KotCzarny | koyote: apt-get |
| 16:25.24 | MangoFusion | oddly now i've restarted the menu bar no longer moves |
| 16:25.30 | KotCzarny | and apt-cache search |
| 16:25.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:25.41 | jott | MangoFusion: yeah it's somehow locked until you rotate :) |
| 16:25.49 | koyote | I haven't moved past app manager yet |
| 16:25.53 | MangoFusion | but as soon as i rotate it decides to work |
| 16:25.55 | MangoFusion | yes |
| 16:27.56 | jott | it's much more usable at the bottom.. esp. for launching apps and switching tasks with the finger |
| 16:27.57 | KotCzarny | could be nice to integrate menubar moving into rotate applet |
| 16:28.34 | jott | well just drag it :O |
| 16:28.38 | MangoFusion | yes would be a lot easier |
| 16:28.46 | MangoFusion | :) |
| 16:28.48 | jott | i wonder if it's dbus controllable or somehow |
| 16:28.50 | KotCzarny | jott: yeah, sure |
| 16:28.59 | KotCzarny | right now i'm menuless |
| 16:28.59 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:30.11 | KotCzarny | that's why it could be nice to have a way to get it back |
| 16:30.17 | KotCzarny | via simple 'rotate again' |
| 16:30.29 | jott | hm funny bug(?) with the bookmarks - when the menu is at the bottom (while rotated) it won't start at entry 0 (i.e. open new browser window) but just in the middle of the list |
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| 16:30.57 | jott | yeah if you find out how to remote controll it i will integrate it in the rotate app :) |
| 16:31.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:31.38 | KotCzarny | i wonder, menubar is a part of matchbox or some nokia's addon? |
| 16:32.11 | jott | i guess it's part of hildon-desktop?! |
| 16:32.16 | jott | but could also be matchbox |
| 16:32.19 | jott | not sure |
| 16:32.33 | KotCzarny | hildon-desktop is closed? |
| 16:32.37 | jott | no |
| 16:32.45 | KotCzarny | let's see |
| 16:33.23 | jott | yeah seems to be hildon-desktop |
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| 16:34.38 | jott | hm |
| 16:34.50 | Italodance | :D |
| 16:36.00 | koyote | okay, guess I'll get apt working when I get back |
| 16:36.09 | koyote | off to take the kids to zombie jesus day! |
| 16:38.26 | czr | heh |
| 16:38.41 | jott | don't let jesus bite them :O |
| 16:38.47 | KotCzarny | hildon_desktop_panel_grab_motion_event |
| 16:39.00 | Proteous | I hope zombie jesus hid lots of zombie larva eggs around this year |
| 16:39.15 | Proteous | strange how they taste so good |
| 16:39.27 | KotCzarny | mmm, eggs |
| 16:39.52 | KotCzarny | ah. it's for panels. |
| 16:39.53 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 16:43.20 | jott | hm speaking of eggs .. time to reveal the n810 hardware easter egg :) |
| 16:43.30 | KotCzarny | hint? |
| 16:43.31 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:43.48 | jott | it has to do with the hardware :> |
| 16:43.54 | KotCzarny | Everyone asks about hardware easter eggs. The 770 has a microphone and the N800 has an FM tuner. Does the N810 have any secret hardware? . |
| 16:43.55 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 16:44.05 | KotCzarny | same google result? |
| 16:44.34 | KotCzarny | fm transmitter? |
| 16:44.36 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:44.57 | jott | the "real" gps unit? :) |
| 16:47.51 | jott | a accelerometer? :) |
| 16:48.08 | jott | an integrated taser? |
| 16:48.10 | KotCzarny | 50$ bills printer? |
| 16:48.11 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:48.40 | qwerty12 | Glock 40? |
| 16:48.56 | inz | kitchen sink? |
| 16:49.02 | qwerty12 | Mac-10? |
| 16:49.07 | KotCzarny | rpg ? |
| 16:49.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:49.21 | qwerty12 | AK-47? ;) :p |
| 16:49.31 | KotCzarny | rpg beats ak-47 ;) |
| 16:49.51 | qwerty12 | Damn, now I use my glock 40 on you :p |
| 16:49.57 | jott | self-desctruction mechanism :) |
| 16:50.01 | KotCzarny | no you don't |
| 16:50.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:50.08 | KotCzarny | you're too fragmented |
| 16:50.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:50.11 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 16:50.17 | jott | we do better than this stupid iphone wipe :O |
| 16:50.33 | jott | why wipe when you can explode? :) |
| 16:50.51 | qwerty12 | blinks |
| 16:50.52 | KotCzarny | approved by us dod |
| 16:50.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:50.57 | KotCzarny | (; |
| 16:51.28 | jott | man why are there no hardware freaks to just dissect this thing :) |
| 16:51.37 | KotCzarny | jott, you first |
| 16:51.40 | KotCzarny | i have n800 anyway |
| 16:51.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:52.03 | jott | or some chinese guys who faked a nda to get on the internal schematics :) |
| 16:52.30 | KotCzarny | i believe internal schematics are available |
| 16:52.32 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:52.41 | KotCzarny | haven't you seen the link? |
| 16:52.45 | jott | for n810? |
| 16:52.51 | jott | n800 does not count |
| 16:52.54 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 16:53.04 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 16:53.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:53.13 | KotCzarny | has n800 so it does count |
| 16:53.47 | jott | no |
| 16:53.55 | qwerty12 | n800 ftw |
| 16:56.03 | KotCzarny | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA&feature=related |
| 16:56.04 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 16:56.20 | jott | old :p |
| 16:56.26 | qwerty12 | Seen that before, would be so much better on N800 :p |
| 16:56.35 | KotCzarny | this size it could be on sd card |
| 16:56.36 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 16:57.08 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:57.12 | KotCzarny | transparent app bar |
| 16:57.54 | qwerty12 | Check out the screenshots thread in general on internet tablet talk |
| 16:58.18 | qwerty12 | Two themes posted which make at leas t one of the bars transparent :p |
| 16:58.33 | KotCzarny | what's the app name? |
| 16:58.59 | qwerty12 | brb |
| 16:59.09 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:59.17 | KotCzarny | 'home' key doesn't call app list |
| 16:59.25 | KotCzarny | (/me still menubarless) |
| 16:59.54 | qwerty12 | Tried taking out your battery? bit extreme but hopefully your N800 wont have saved settings |
| 17:00.01 | qwerty12 | I used to do it on my W810 all the time |
| 17:00.48 | KotCzarny | no, i just want to find a way to bring it back without a reset |
| 17:00.59 | qwerty12 | Tried killing matchbox? |
| 17:01.08 | KotCzarny | that will reboot the device |
| 17:01.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:01.25 | KotCzarny | some rogue applet could work |
| 17:01.32 | qwerty12 | For me it just loads desktop back into "safe mode" unless you count that as reboot :) |
| 17:01.47 | KotCzarny | what's the killall name? |
| 17:01.59 | qwerty12 | Dunno, I just use load applet. |
| 17:02.13 | KotCzarny | what proces do you kill then? |
| 17:02.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:02.51 | qwerty12 | killall hildon-desktop - when killed, your applets disable until you reboot. if you send quit signal, your programs quit too. you send kill signal, your programs *should* be there :p |
| 17:03.12 | KotCzarny | worked. |
| 17:03.14 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 17:03.55 | qwerty12 | Heres one transparent theme: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=157583&postcount=308 |
| 17:04.12 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:04.18 | KotCzarny | moving menubar roolez |
| 17:04.37 | KotCzarny | but app menu is inaccessible then :/ |
| 17:05.02 | KotCzarny | i think getting rid of whole menubar and installing statusbar menu is the way to go |
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| 17:07.00 | KotCzarny | now.. how did i managed to get rid of it |
| 17:07.01 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 17:07.55 | Italodance | who is baby here? |
| 17:07.58 | qwerty12 | Any notepad++ like editor for linux that lets you search multiple file simultaneously |
| 17:08.01 | MangoFusion | KotCzarny: i think if you move to the bottom when in landscape it tends to vanish |
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| 17:09.40 | KotCzarny | i can't get rid of it, hum |
| 17:09.53 | KotCzarny | (i can set it's width to 0px though in prefs) |
| 17:10.06 | qwerty12 | It won't let you kill it :p |
| 17:10.16 | qwerty12 | It wants to live :p |
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| 17:10.43 | Italodance | hi qwerty12 |
| 17:10.52 | qwerty12 | hello Italodance |
| 17:11.27 | jott | qwerty12: vim :p |
| 17:11.37 | qwerty12 | Nooooo |
| 17:11.48 | qwerty12 | I only know "I" and ":wq" |
| 17:11.50 | qwerty12 | :p |
| 17:12.13 | Proteous | kill -9 |
| 17:12.35 | jott | vimtutor :) |
| 17:12.56 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks |
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| 17:13.42 | Proteous | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 |
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| 17:20.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:20.25 | KotCzarny | nuovoclear has one quirk |
| 17:20.36 | lcuk | kot, that tilt sensor - it was let down by the graphics |
| 17:20.49 | KotCzarny | lcuk: hmm? |
| 17:21.26 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny: Any good at GIMPin (I'd say photoshop but this is Linux. as for me, I get out my gimp suit when I need it... :p :D) |
| 17:21.46 | lcuk | tearing |
| 17:22.39 | KotCzarny | qwerty: no, it's because in vertical mode |
| 17:22.47 | lcuk | noticed today that sdl has yuv overlay support. hope its hardware based |
| 17:22.51 | KotCzarny | desktopmenu goes over statusbas |
| 17:23.11 | qwerty12 | skeen - I see, |
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| 17:24.08 | KotCzarny | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2354838924_a80ebaa5a8.jpg |
| 17:24.13 | KotCzarny | how's that theme named? |
| 17:24.33 | qwerty12 | I think its one of default themes |
| 17:24.38 | qwerty12 | Just different background |
| 17:25.12 | lcuk | thats a gr8 shot on the theme :D it really is fast and well positioned |
| 17:25.45 | KotCzarny | but which one it is |
| 17:25.46 | KotCzarny | grr |
| 17:25.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:26.01 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny: The 1st guy to make a transparent theme in that thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152770&postcount=275 - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152621&postcount=266 |
| 17:26.08 | qwerty12 | I'll check in a min. |
| 17:26.09 | KotCzarny | ah. |
| 17:26.11 | KotCzarny | 'echo' |
| 17:26.14 | KotCzarny | found it :> |
| 17:26.20 | qwerty12 | cancels that :p |
| 17:26.25 | qwerty12 | checking that is |
| 17:26.40 | KotCzarny | it's great for rotating |
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| 17:28.20 | lcuk | is that theme actually borderless, or are the borders just he same shape? |
| 17:28.23 | lcuk | color* |
| 17:28.35 | KotCzarny | probably same shape |
| 17:28.41 | KotCzarny | and color |
| 17:28.54 | KotCzarny | otherwise it would be seen in vertical mode |
| 17:29.19 | lcuk | i bet my program blows chunks in vertical mode |
| 17:29.31 | KotCzarny | blows? |
| 17:29.49 | lcuk | KABOOOOOOOOOOM! type explosions |
| 17:29.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:30.29 | lcuk | can the dsp handle blitting? |
| 17:30.57 | lcuk | might employ it as a copro |
| 17:32.09 | qwerty12 | Any one got a list of the "SDLK"'s for an N800, thanks |
| 17:32.40 | qwerty12 | *SDLKEYS . Sorry. |
| 17:32.51 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:33.02 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks, I told you I was stupid :p |
| 17:33.16 | lcuk | http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDLKey |
| 17:33.18 | jott | there are no n8x0 specific sdl keys |
| 17:33.25 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :) |
| 17:45.20 | qwerty12 | Anybody know what the SDL binding is for the Middle D-Pad button? Thanks. |
| 17:45.28 | KotCzarny | 'enter' |
| 17:45.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:45.36 | qwerty12 | Ah, yes, thanks ! |
| 17:45.44 | KotCzarny | just run xev |
| 17:45.50 | KotCzarny | and see that codes they generate |
| 17:45.56 | KotCzarny | (including other hw buttons) |
| 17:46.10 | qwerty12 | Ok, thanks. I tried xev but I don't get the output. I will read up on it :) |
| 17:46.19 | KotCzarny | hum |
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| 17:46.20 | KotCzarny | weird |
| 17:46.34 | KotCzarny | but run it from ssh |
| 17:46.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:46.41 | KotCzarny | or from xterm |
| 17:47.03 | qwerty12 | I was in xterm :). I get output but me being developing n00b, I don't get it :) |
| 17:47.13 | qwerty12 | I dont understand I mean :) |
| 17:47.15 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 17:47.19 | qwerty12 | Sorry, I was misleading. |
| 17:47.30 | KotCzarny | then just press enter and look what 'keysym' it generates |
| 17:47.45 | KotCzarny | and similiar for other keys |
| 17:47.46 | jott | look for state 0x0, keycode 72 (keysym 0xffc3, F6), same_screen YES |
| 17:47.57 | jott | then you know F6 was pressed :) |
| 17:48.20 | qwerty12 | Ah yes, I see now, thanks both! :) |
| 17:48.38 | KotCzarny | it's a miracle! |
| 17:48.41 | KotCzarny | rejoice everyone! |
| 17:48.47 | qwerty12 | lol, w00t! :p |
| 17:48.59 | qwerty12 | Ok not really. I killed it. :p |
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| 18:30.51 | AStorm | KotCzarny: do you know how to,get Polish POI db for maemo-mapper? |
| 18:31.02 | AStorm | my GPS works quite well |
| 18:32.42 | AStorm | anyone else? |
| 18:33.38 | AStorm | btw, maemo-mapper could use some better map compression |
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| 18:40.03 | AStorm | hmm, everybody is partying or what? |
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| 18:42.14 | Gepsu | yeah |
| 18:43.14 | AStorm | :P |
| 18:43.23 | AStorm | so do I |
| 18:45.00 | inz | easter partgeeh, yeah! |
| 18:45.04 | inz | -g |
| 18:48.24 | AStorm | hmm, could someone point me to N810 kismet build too? |
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| 18:49.27 | AStorm | or similar? |
| 18:49.42 | AStorm | N810 could be a wardriver's dream |
| 18:52.20 | Veggen | think I saw some kismet package somewhere. |
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| 18:53.33 | GNUro | yeah i've got kismet on my n810. |
| 18:56.53 | AStorm | link? |
| 19:02.36 | AStorm | hmm? |
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| 19:13.28 | AStorm | argh, got my hopes up |
| 19:13.36 | AStorm | and still no link! |
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| 19:26.24 | skibur | anybody using other than os2008 on their tablet? |
| 19:26.40 | KotCzarny | probably 770 users |
| 19:26.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:26.55 | qwerty12_N800 | It's all about 2008 now :p |
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| 19:27.19 | skibur | o ok |
| 19:27.22 | skibur | I see |
| 19:28.38 | AStorm | OS2008 is the fresh one |
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| 19:32.16 | AStorm | ... need kismet ... (in that "Braaainz" zombie voice) |
| 19:33.53 | skibur | need metasploit? |
| 19:34.17 | AStorm | kiiiismeeet |
| 19:34.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Metasploit is slow on n800 :( |
| 19:34.34 | AStorm | for n810... |
| 19:34.40 | skibur | can't get it to work on mine |
| 19:35.26 | skibur | something about not loading REX |
| 19:35.26 | KotCzarny | 810 and 800 have same hw |
| 19:35.38 | qwerty12_N800 | skibur: It uses a massive amount of space though and it's really slow |
| 19:35.47 | skibur | I guess I will just have to take my laptop to work |
| 19:35.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny: but not sw |
| 19:35.54 | KotCzarny | sw too |
| 19:36.23 | AStorm | nope |
| 19:36.28 | KotCzarny | aside from rootfs/initfs issues of course |
| 19:36.30 | AStorm | bora != chinook |
| 19:36.37 | KotCzarny | bora is os2007 |
| 19:36.42 | AStorm | yep |
| 19:36.54 | skibur | Qwerty: do you have it currently installed? |
| 19:36.57 | KotCzarny | n800 is os2008 too |
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| 19:37.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Not any more. |
| 19:37.10 | AStorm | need cron too |
| 19:37.21 | AStorm | lol |
| 19:37.43 | Veggen | side note: what's keeping people from using maemo extras repository instead of their own? |
| 19:37.56 | skibur | as a pentester, I think I shall stick to Lappy |
| 19:38.34 | qwerty12_N800 | brb |
| 19:39.19 | AStorm | veggan: stuff has to go through testing repo |
| 19:41.11 | qwerty12_N800 | skibur: http://mfresh-n800.blogspot.com/2007/07/installing-metasploit-framework-3-on.html |
| 19:41.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Astorm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12572 |
| 19:41.43 | skibur | checking.... |
| 19:41.44 | AStorm | bora! |
| 19:41.47 | qwerty12_N800 | I've used those personally, successfuly on os2008 |
| 19:42.12 | AStorm | ah, for cron, thx |
| 19:43.42 | Veggen | AStorm: but why isn't things in testing repo, then? :) |
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| 19:44.00 | AStorm | veggan: people are lazy |
| 19:44.21 | AStorm | thus stuff from maemo.org isn't all there, even |
| 19:44.50 | koyote | pupnik: what environment am I looking for here to get angband working? I need to install some deps that aren't showing up in application manager |
| 19:50.04 | skibur | thanks for the guide qwerty. Deal breaker question. Speed.... is it worth having it on the n800? |
| 19:51.20 | qwerty12_N800 | It's very slow loading menus but if you are v.patient it comes up |
| 19:51.42 | qwerty12_N800 | For me. I removed it. Too much space and slow speed |
| 19:51.53 | skibur | thanks for your comment |
| 19:52.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Np :) |
| 19:52.26 | skibur | :) |
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| 19:57.43 | solmumaha | koyote: did you check gronmayer for those dependencies? |
| 20:00.04 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm missing hildon-libs0 when installing angband. Hmm, I wouldn't try to find that... |
| 20:00.49 | solmumaha | ah, gtk gui then? |
| 20:01.48 | qwerty12_N800 | I think so. I will just dpkg it with ignore deps and edit status file and hope for the best :p |
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| 20:02.59 | solmumaha | qwerty12_N800: you lack marketing skills |
| 20:03.30 | qwerty12_N800 | You saw my thread then? :P |
| 20:03.48 | solmumaha | yes |
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| 20:05.09 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm 15 and living in East London where it's all about grime, rnb & postcodes... My attitude is influenced :p |
| 20:05.49 | Tama^2 | postcodes? O.o |
| 20:05.54 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 20:06.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Yep, E6 gonna merk e7... :P |
| 20:07.18 | koyote | solmumaha: ?? |
| 20:07.53 | koyote | I'm a bit new on this. |
| 20:07.59 | solmumaha | koyote: http://gronmayer.com/it familiar? |
| 20:08.57 | solmumaha | if not, get acquainted |
| 20:09.24 | koyote | been doing this for 24 hoursa |
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| 20:09.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Woot, angband works on os2008! |
| 20:10.26 | solmumaha | koyote: how has it been so far? |
| 20:11.40 | koyote | great, really |
| 20:11.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Desktop file is broken and from terminal it works but minimising is broken & screen size is odd. |
| 20:12.04 | koyote | flashed os2008 last night, enabled extended applications, messed around, dia bunch of web browsing |
| 20:12.44 | koyote | trying to deice if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media |
| 20:12.56 | koyote | s/deice/decide/g |
| 20:13.19 | solmumaha | koyote: what os you have on desktop? |
| 20:13.58 | koyote | eeexubuntu 7.10 rc3 |
| 20:14.10 | koyote | xubuntu 7.10, with asus eee pc hacks |
| 20:14.16 | solmumaha | try mediaserv then |
| 20:14.24 | koyote | (and, yeah, that IS my main computer) |
| 20:14.35 | koyote | mediaserv for? |
| 20:14.46 | solmumaha | watching videos |
| 20:14.51 | qwerty12_N800 | It transcodes on the fly |
| 20:14.52 | solmumaha | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html |
| 20:15.10 | koyote | cool |
| 20:15.24 | koyote | I'm mostly concerned with getting stuff onto sd cards for travel and such. |
| 20:15.37 | solmumaha | well you can use that for it too |
| 20:16.08 | solmumaha | just save it to your memory card |
| 20:17.26 | koyote | I need to get more of those, too. after the keyboard |
| 20:17.53 | solmumaha | mediatomb has transcoding nowadays too, but i never managed to get it working with the media player |
| 20:22.34 | koyote | 2008 doesn't have the same offline mode switch |
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| 20:23.48 | koyote | which of the 48 or so repos are important, or broken? |
| 20:24.19 | solmumaha | well you can start by adding what you need |
| 20:25.03 | solmumaha | using search |
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| 20:32.15 | LoCusF | is there a guide in the wiki for formatting the internal card as ext2 on n810? |
| 20:32.19 | LoCusF | or anywhere else? |
| 20:32.35 | KotCzarny | why not simply boot off mmc? |
| 20:32.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Check 1 of the many cloning threads. |
| 20:32.51 | KotCzarny | and keep internal as a rescue-os |
| 20:35.10 | KotCzarny | stylus should include a hole for a leash |
| 20:35.16 | KotCzarny | *grin* |
| 20:35.45 | koyote | interesting idea. if it's stable, i might run off the 4gb card i put internally |
| 20:36.13 | KotCzarny | yeah, i plan moving to sd too |
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| 20:39.21 | solmumaha | LoCusF: apt-get install e2fsprogs? |
| 20:39.43 | KotCzarny | solmumaha: but he shouldn't use mke2fs on rootfs |
| 20:39.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:39.56 | KotCzarny | i whink cloning fs to mmc first is a must then |
| 20:40.00 | KotCzarny | or boot off usb |
| 20:40.06 | solmumaha | ah, ok |
| 20:40.38 | solmumaha | glad i don't have n810 ;) |
| 20:40.45 | qwerty12_N800 | You also need to insert ext2 modules if you format with ext2. |
| 20:41.07 | qwerty12_N800 | i always assumed you had n810 :d |
| 20:42.00 | solmumaha | nope, couldn't justify buying it |
| 20:42.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Same here, i thought n800 was more worth it for me. |
| 20:43.04 | solmumaha | well i bought n800 when it came out |
| 20:43.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Not me :p |
| 20:43.37 | koyote | i traded an old ipod for a 3 week old 800 yesterday. |
| 20:43.46 | qwerty12_N800 | £300 more for a gps & keyboard wasnt a viable option for me. |
| 20:44.07 | koyote | which was what i was looking for, anyway. the thumboard is cool, but I *know* i'm going to end up with a folding bt keyboard anyhow |
| 20:44.15 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 20:44.28 | KotCzarny | koyote, how old was the ipod? |
| 20:46.02 | koyote | 9 months. old gen 30gb video, plus $30, for the n800 |
| 20:46.18 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:46.41 | koyote | fair enough for me. I've got plenty of sd cards around, and the screen on the 800 is nicer. |
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| 20:50.06 | KotCzarny | 801? |
| 20:50.11 | KotCzarny | upgrade? |
| 20:50.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:51.02 | qwerty12_N801 | Nope, I got disconnected and reconnected and pidgin or nickseerv has bumped up my number by 1 :p |
| 20:51.18 | KotCzarny | if bumping hw revision was that easy |
| 20:51.19 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 20:51.51 | qwerty12_N801 | Lol |
| 20:53.05 | Navi | alp, you around? |
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| 21:13.42 | qwerty12_N801 | Does anyone know of a irssi package for maemo? Gronmayer isn't loading for me. |
| 21:15.40 | AStorm | qwerty. google, use it |
| 21:16.31 | doc|home | I tried one I found somewhere, it sefaulted or soemthing |
| 21:16.37 | AStorm | maemo.org? |
| 21:16.44 | qwerty12_N801 | Astorm: I could have said the same thing about cron ;p but point taken. |
| 21:17.48 | AStorm | :) |
| 21:17.57 | qwerty12_N801 | :) |
| 21:18.42 | AStorm | checking... |
| 21:18.54 | AStorm | i need a working cron too |
| 21:19.01 | AStorm | that one is junk |
| 21:19.06 | AStorm | for bora |
| 21:19.51 | qwerty12_N801 | Bora cli binaries usually work in chinook. Theres another one too, let me check. |
| 21:20.10 | AStorm | alternatively, something to sync time |
| 21:20.27 | qwerty12_N801 | check www.nitapps.com |
| 21:20.37 | AStorm | gronmayer is down |
| 21:21.19 | qwerty12_N801 | you've reminded me actually to upd8 time lol |
| 21:21.54 | qwerty12_N801 | I wanna try irssi on n800 but it's gonna suck w/out a bt kbd. :( |
| 21:23.59 | qwerty12_N801 | Here's another cron http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/ |
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| 21:32.36 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 21:32.52 | qwerty12_N801 | Hello |
| 21:34.39 | Andy80 | a quick question if someone uses the youtube plugin for canola2: where do the videos are saved? I'm using N810 |
| 21:34.50 | qwerty12_N801 | Brb, bout to try irssi. |
| 21:38.04 | Navi | Andy80, in the .canola folder |
| 21:38.47 | Andy80 | just found.. really too bad :( |
| 21:39.02 | Andy80 | it should save them on internal mini sd |
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| 21:40.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Irssi sux. Pissin seg faults :@ |
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| 21:40.47 | koyote | angband is a bit,,, well. not sure yet |
| 21:40.55 | koyote | good interface methods |
| 21:41.19 | KotCzarny | koyote: xkbd |
| 21:41.20 | solmumaha | Andy80: you could symlink it unless you find it bad in general :) |
| 21:41.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:41.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Did you get it working? :) |
| 21:42.39 | Andy80 | the problem is that main memory is only 256 wile the internal sd is 2 gb |
| 21:42.55 | Andy80 | it's very strange not to use the sd! |
| 21:43.18 | solmumaha | sounds like a design flaw yes |
| 21:44.10 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm glad it was, not to sound callous but n800 compatibility would have a bit less |
| 21:44.24 | Andy80 | maybe it was tested only on a n800, usually these people have an external mmc too |
| 21:59.58 | koyote | xkbd, oi. i guess so. |
| 22:00.19 | koyote | have no keyboard input showing up at all, is all |
| 22:01.57 | Proteous | then how are you typing in irc? |
| 22:01.57 | Proteous | lies!! |
| 22:02.45 | koyote | heh |
| 22:02.56 | Proteous | :P |
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| 22:28.18 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:28.34 | AStorm | why, oh why are maps so large... |
| 22:29.00 | AStorm | any satellite map sources better than Google Satellite? |
| 22:29.09 | AStorm | (eastern europe) |
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| 22:30.28 | cyberholic | geeesus... even on easter 2.5 billion people in here.... GOOOD evening everyone :) |
| 22:30.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Good evening :) |
| 22:30.52 | AStorm | :) |
| 22:31.00 | cyberholic | And like always: the same :) |
| 22:31.07 | AStorm | because Maemo is mobile |
| 22:31.11 | AStorm | :) |
| 22:31.16 | cyberholic | gooood marketing text! |
| 22:31.25 | AStorm | we're not bound to chairs |
| 22:31.27 | koyote | sighs. |
| 22:31.31 | cyberholic | "We can do - because maemo is mobile!" |
| 22:31.39 | koyote | I'm so used to emacs for irc and mail and pim tracking |
| 22:32.03 | AStorm | koyote: dl the devel image and compile emacs for maemo |
| 22:32.10 | cyberholic | I have just been chatting with a guy to see if we can make mojocafe.de work on the Nokia n95 and.... it does NOT work... could someone please hack the n95 and put maemo on it!? |
| 22:32.22 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:32.31 | AStorm | wrong cpu? |
| 22:32.32 | qwerty12_N800 | A port of emacs is on chinook |
| 22:32.36 | koyote | AStorm: ugh. all I have to say on that. |
| 22:32.41 | cyberholic | I am sure that the guys at Nokia won`t recognize it! |
| 22:32.46 | koyote | qwerty12_N800: really? cool |
| 22:33.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Yea, its on itt somewhere |
| 22:33.03 | skibur | anybody played krazymario? |
| 22:33.14 | cyberholic | Astorm: no, its not the CPU - its the fact that it has a thing called "AutoRotation". If you make a website fullscreen, it changes automaticly to landscape mode... |
| 22:33.48 | koyote | what i really need if left handedness on this device |
| 22:33.54 | koyote | scrollbars are painful |
| 22:34.20 | qwerty12_N800 | Tried rrotation patch? |
| 22:34.41 | koyote | nothing on gronmayer for emacs |
| 22:34.41 | cyberholic | koyote: i think that THAT is the most difficult GUI task in design: making something fullscreen without scrolling. That's why, in my opinion, Canola is very nice! |
| 22:35.05 | koyote | well, i just want the scrollbars on the left |
| 22:35.29 | AStorm | heh |
| 22:35.33 | qwerty12_N800 | I believe rotation of screen to 270 would do that. |
| 22:35.36 | AStorm | just write a script |
| 22:35.54 | AStorm | or an applet |
| 22:36.08 | AStorm | rotation just needs reading fromthe sensor |
| 22:36.09 | qwerty12_N800 | You cannot put maemo on n95 :p lol but bb5 parts are same |
| 22:36.17 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:36.18 | cyberholic | by the way: does the VisualBoy Advance Gameboy emulator run ok? |
| 22:36.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Koyote: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189&highlight=emacs |
| 22:36.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Emacs |
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| 22:36.48 | AStorm | cybernotic: canola could've been better |
| 22:37.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Aren't i resourceful :p |
| 22:37.08 | cyberholic | lol |
| 22:37.09 | AStorm | seekbar sucks a bit |
| 22:37.38 | AStorm | there's no fullscreen high contrast clock |
| 22:37.48 | AStorm | :P |
| 22:37.52 | cyberholic | Astorm: yeah, the setting options could be better. but as mentioned, its very hard to put so much info on a fullscreen option. That's what made me most headaches with mojocafe.de |
| 22:38.09 | cyberholic | AStorm: at the mojocafe, there is :) |
| 22:38.13 | AStorm | heh |
| 22:38.29 | AStorm | mediabox |
| 22:38.39 | cyberholic | I nu |
| 22:38.46 | AStorm | except it's buggy and has even suckier seekbar |
| 22:38.53 | AStorm | :P |
| 22:39.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Radio support pwns tho in it |
| 22:39.37 | koyote | gets slightly excited |
| 22:41.17 | koyote | that's going to wait until i have the bt keyboard in my hands |
| 22:41.26 | AStorm | radio support of canola is betterf |
| 22:41.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Canola uses internet |
| 22:41.40 | AStorm | supports .pls for one |
| 22:41.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Im talking fm |
| 22:42.03 | AStorm | no FM in n810 afaicr |
| 22:42.07 | qwerty12_N800 | But i forget, n810 doesn't have fm radio chip :p |
| 22:42.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Yes |
| 22:42.10 | AStorm | :P |
| 22:42.24 | AStorm | who needs fm anyway |
| 22:42.34 | qwerty12_N800 | I do ;) |
| 22:42.38 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:42.47 | AStorm | old school |
| 22:43.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Although i don't really use my n800 for music, my w810 even does a better job. |
| 22:43.47 | cyberholic | whats your w810? |
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| 22:44.10 | koyote | I like fm radio sometimes. |
| 22:44.20 | koyote | does the n800 do that? |
| 22:44.24 | qwerty12_N800 | My Sony Ericsson Walkman phone - pretty old now |
| 22:44.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Yes |
| 22:44.38 | AStorm | well, nope |
| 22:44.47 | AStorm | n810 is quite good |
| 22:44.55 | AStorm | not audiofile, but good |
| 22:45.19 | AStorm | I'll publish RMAA results later |
| 22:45.30 | qwerty12_N800 | I use gtk-gnutella on my n800 and bt tracks over to my 810 :p |
| 22:45.38 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:45.56 | AStorm | n800 has probably worse analog part of the signal |
| 22:46.01 | AStorm | sounds diff |
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| 22:46.45 | koyote | oh. dude. how much fun is this. I just relaized i have an old think outside bt keyboard i used on a blackberry a year ago |
| 22:46.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Lol, lucky you :p |
| 22:47.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Now i want one :( |
| 22:47.08 | qwerty12_N800 | :P |
| 22:47.26 | AStorm | expensive |
| 22:48.02 | AStorm | and N810 keys are quite nice |
| 22:48.14 | AStorm | 5 finger typing |
| 22:48.24 | AStorm | uhm, four |
| 22:49.03 | qwerty12_N800 | N810 didn't justify £300 difference for me |
| 22:49.08 | AStorm | although with bt it could be useful for coding |
| 22:49.26 | AStorm | qwerty12_N800: well, 200⬠|
| 22:49.56 | qwerty12_N800 | At the time I bought my n800 (few months ago) |
| 22:50.28 | koyote | well, i have an 800 anyway |
| 22:50.33 | AStorm | but then, I coiuld get N810, so it's better .0 |
| 22:50.36 | AStorm | .P |
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| 22:50.55 | koyote | i wanted the 800 for the dual sd slots |
| 22:51.02 | AStorm | I don't: N810 is smaller, pocketable |
| 22:51.10 | AStorm | that's what coumts |
| 22:51.13 | koyote | the 800 is smaller than my 200lx |
| 22:51.16 | KotCzarny | not much more |
| 22:51.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:51.20 | koyote | which may FINALLY get replaced. |
| 22:51.22 | johnx | N800 is pocketable...it just depends on how big your pockets are :P |
| 22:51.26 | AStorm | enough to fit |
| 22:51.37 | AStorm | N800 wouldn't |
| 22:51.42 | wom- | keyboard is the thing for me |
| 22:51.48 | AStorm | fairly large jeans pocket |
| 22:51.53 | koyote | I wear a utilikilt most days, I think the n800 is fine and pocketable |
| 22:51.57 | AStorm | keyboard is nice, yup |
| 22:52.01 | koyote | the keyboard is, too. |
| 22:52.12 | AStorm | koyote: batbelt? lol |
| 22:53.17 | koyote | Astorm: nah, side pockets |
| 22:53.27 | koyote | utilikilts.com |
| 22:53.31 | AStorm | hmm |
| 22:53.37 | johnx | my n800 fits in my jeans pocket... |
| 22:53.39 | AStorm | gun holster? :P |
| 22:54.01 | solmumaha | everyone knows 770 is the only pocketable one |
| 22:54.15 | AStorm | lol |
| 22:54.27 | johnx | that's because it comes with it's own pocket... |
| 22:54.40 | AStorm | koyote: which ome? |
| 22:54.58 | koyote | I like the construction model. have two of them |
| 22:55.07 | qwerty12_N800 | I have my glocc in my holster :p |
| 22:55.14 | KotCzarny | construction model? |
| 22:55.33 | AStorm | btw, any place in EU I can get a good ... hmm, purse?,wallet? for N810? |
| 22:55.51 | KotCzarny | just use generic one |
| 22:55.53 | koyote | workmans kilt |
| 22:56.07 | AStorm | heh |
| 22:56.17 | AStorm | true scotsman? |
| 22:56.33 | doc|home | qwerty12_N800: I doubt that given you can't even spell it correctly :P |
| 22:56.44 | Cptnodegard | just tried TiEmu. genius |
| 22:56.56 | koyote | not a chance. a bit of welsh and 75% swede families |
| 22:57.02 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:57.15 | koyote | kilts aren't about unwashed people from the arctic coast of the birtish isles. |
| 22:57.22 | AStorm | at least part british |
| 22:57.29 | koyote | they're just manly. |
| 22:57.35 | AStorm | I know, just messing with you |
| 22:57.37 | koyote | and my gf likes it....... |
| 22:57.45 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 22:57.45 | qwerty12_N800 | doc|home: glock then :p. I thought it was glocc tho |
| 22:58.06 | qwerty12_N800 | No one in London wears a kilt :p |
| 22:58.19 | AStorm | so, where do i get a protective and nice purse for N810 in EU? |
| 22:58.22 | doc|home | no one in Ireland does either |
| 22:58.25 | koyote | okay, I go get batteries at store |
| 22:58.43 | koyote | AStorm: wait a week until i make some, jeez. |
| 22:58.46 | AStorm | any specialized fast charger? |
| 22:58.59 | koyote | have to finish these 3 knife sheaths and make my own hardcase wallets |
| 22:59.07 | AStorm | koyote: blah, that I can too, but not from foam |
| 22:59.26 | AStorm | has to be slim |
| 22:59.38 | AStorm | slick like N810 too |
| 22:59.49 | qwerty12_N800 | >.< |
| 22:59.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Not really :p :d |
| 22:59.58 | koyote | I want tough. I'm a knifemaker and bicyclist. I am really hard on stuff |
| 23:00.12 | koyote | probably 8-10 ounce leather. |
| 23:00.31 | AStorm | black leather could be nice |
| 23:00.32 | koyote | okay. store. batteries. then bt keyboard works |
| 23:00.48 | AStorm | wiith one side hardened and proper cuttings |
| 23:01.14 | AStorm | maybe with a clear window |
| 23:01.32 | AStorm | (hard thouugh) |
| 23:01.52 | AStorm | need to tone down that autorepeat :P |
| 23:06.28 | AStorm | blah, 300 MB... and depth 4 is 1.2 GB... |
| 23:07.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:07.07 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:07.24 | AStorm | and full maps of poland is some 100 TB |
| 23:07.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:07.37 | KotCzarny | trick is to get every other zoom level |
| 23:07.45 | AStorm | nah |
| 23:07.55 | AStorm | I'm grabbing large |
| 23:08.05 | AStorm | and zooom 5 and 6 |
| 23:08.19 | AStorm | over 10 is tiny |
| 23:08.44 | AStorm | zoom 5 and 6 of certain cities ofc |
| 23:09.04 | AStorm | other levels are pointless, esp. 4 |
| 23:09.31 | AStorm | btw, how do i remove a level? (from card, downloaded) |
| 23:09.50 | KotCzarny | probably with the whole db.. |
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| 23:09.51 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:09.56 | AStorm | noooo |
| 23:10.01 | KotCzarny | or just get some sqlite3 editor |
| 23:10.12 | KotCzarny | streamtuner is nice |
| 23:10.15 | AStorm | thought the same :P |
| 23:10.19 | KotCzarny | but 'stop' button doesn't work |
| 23:10.46 | AStorm | well, Warsaw and surroundings is 300 MB |
| 23:20.04 | AStorm | hmm, dling maps with maemo-mapper sure pegs the cpu |
| 23:21.55 | AStorm | wonder why |
| 23:22.03 | KotCzarny | processing, saving |
| 23:22.20 | johnx | constantly adding tiles to the db? |
| 23:22.32 | KotCzarny | rehashing? |
| 23:24.03 | AStorm | johnx: probable |
| 23:24.23 | AStorm | not with transactions done properly |
| 23:25.10 | KotCzarny | anyone else noticed google maps barfing after dling some maps? |
| 23:26.32 | AStorm | nah |
| 23:26.37 | AStorm | work ok here |
| 23:26.38 | jott | yeah maemomapper should probably show the captcha needed :) |
| 23:26.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.58 | jott | or use some ocr to solve it :) |
| 23:27.14 | KotCzarny | i wonder if maemo-mapper maintainer knows about it |
| 23:27.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:27.42 | AStorm | the captcha is only needed if you go over about 2 GB of transfer |
| 23:27.53 | jott | no |
| 23:27.58 | AStorm | so it's rarely needed |
| 23:27.59 | jott | it's probably randomized |
| 23:28.13 | AStorm | unlikely |
| 23:28.16 | jott | i got it after ~100mb once |
| 23:28.31 | AStorm | I'd have hit that aleady today |
| 23:28.50 | AStorm | no, someone else from the IP hit the limit close |
| 23:28.57 | AStorm | :) |
| 23:29.03 | jott | increases the likelihood of a randomized limit :) |
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| 23:29.23 | AStorm | who cares |
| 23:29.32 | AStorm | just dl it a few times |
| 23:29.33 | jott | those who hit by the limit earlier than you |
| 23:29.36 | AStorm | :P |
| 23:30.18 | AStorm | you won't get the limit if logged into google |
| 23:30.24 | AStorm | (cookie) |
| 23:30.34 | koyote | h4h |
| 23:30.36 | koyote | 5 can' |
| 23:30.37 | jott | maemomaper won't use the cookie.. |
| 23:30.44 | jott | atleast atm |
| 23:30.59 | AStorm | Google will recognize the IP |
| 23:30.59 | koyote | i can't seem to pair the keyboard |
| 23:31.11 | jott | lol |
| 23:31.14 | AStorm | koyote: need a driver? |
| 23:31.14 | jott | this would be mad |
| 23:31.24 | ptman | frogpad + maemo is quite sweet |
| 23:31.37 | KotCzarny | pairing kb can be frustrating |
| 23:31.39 | AStorm | N810,is better than frogpad |
| 23:31.47 | KotCzarny | i got it after ~20-30 tries |
| 23:31.48 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:32.13 | ptman | AStorm: what? have you actually tried a frogpad? the n810 keyboard doens't hold a candle to it |
| 23:32.20 | AStorm | I did |
| 23:32.34 | AStorm | no, it wins if used in a 4 finger way |
| 23:32.41 | AStorm | much faster |
| 23:33.03 | AStorm | at least a few times |
| 23:33.07 | ptman | as much as I like the n810 for the keyboard, the frogpad is vastly superior for me |
| 23:33.12 | ptman | might just be my fingers |
| 23:33.40 | KotCzarny | i could use a faster connection |
| 23:33.41 | AStorm | probably |
| 23:33.41 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 23:33.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:33.51 | AStorm | KotCzarny: so could I |
| 23:34.07 | AStorm | this one here is junk 512/128 |
| 23:34.20 | KotCzarny | i have 768/128 |
| 23:34.36 | KotCzarny | enough for most of the tasks |
| 23:34.39 | AStorm | and filled with map dl |
| 23:34.48 | AStorm | yep |
| 23:34.50 | KotCzarny | but sometimes i need bigger one |
| 23:34.51 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:35.10 | AStorm | I wonder how fast I could eat through 5 GB limit |
| 23:35.43 | AStorm | (with N of course) |
| 23:35.53 | koyote | this is weird |
| 23:36.10 | koyote | AStorm: don't think i need a driver, but maybe |
| 23:36.14 | koyote | looking around |
| 23:36.15 | AStorm | ~5% of 300 MB is depressing |
| 23:36.17 | infobot | AStorm: okay |
| 23:36.25 | AStorm | wtf? |
| 23:36.37 | AStorm | infobot - ya crazy? ;) |
| 23:36.48 | AStorm | 5% |
| 23:36.59 | jaska | ~5% of 300 MB? |
| 23:37.00 | infobot | somebody said 5% of 300 mb was depressing |
| 23:37.07 | johnx | ahaha |
| 23:37.10 | AStorm | lol |
| 23:37.21 | AStorm | it can't even recall who |
| 23:37.36 | WormFood | czr, I missed your question last night, because I went to bed. I'm in Shenzhen right now, but I will soon go back to Guangzhou. |
| 23:38.42 | AStorm | should'vee added "in 30 min" |
| 23:39.53 | AStorm | anything smaller than N810 would be likely to be stolen here |
| 23:40.11 | elb | hmmm even with cjk fonts installed, media player doesnt' seem to render cjk titles properly |
| 23:40.16 | AStorm | even it has to be guarded |
| 23:40.36 | AStorm | elb: on N800 or N810? |
| 23:40.52 | elb | n810 |
| 23:41.03 | AStorm | install cjk-fonts from extras |
| 23:41.13 | AStorm | should be enough |
| 23:41.32 | elb | I installed ttf-kochi-gothic directly |
| 23:41.34 | elb | let me try cjk-fonts |
| 23:41.39 | AStorm | maybe use proper locale too |
| 23:42.10 | AStorm | mediaplayer uses UTF-8 afaicr |
| 23:42.14 | elb | I'm using an UTF-8 locale, surely it doesn't *also* require a CJK locale |
| 23:43.02 | AStorm | this no-longer-broadband feels like 56k |
| 23:43.27 | KotCzarny | be happy that you don't have 56k :P |
| 23:43.31 | AStorm | (FCC changed definiion of broadband to 768/128) |
| 23:43.43 | jaska | should be 1024/1024 heh |
| 23:43.44 | AStorm | KotCzarny: used that for a long time |
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| 23:44.12 | WormFood | bandwidth is relative |
| 23:44.15 | AStorm | jaska: nah, large UL is still expensive in cable |
| 23:44.43 | AStorm | as in DOCSIs |
| 23:45.36 | elb | vomits on docsis |
| 23:45.36 | WormFood | upload bandwidth is expensive, because they want to sell that for hosting |
| 23:45.41 | AStorm | i know now how to remove maps |
| 23:45.43 | KotCzarny | anyone with maeomo.org account to notify maemo mapper autjor of google captcha? |
| 23:45.53 | AStorm | just pick delete in manage maps |
| 23:46.11 | AStorm | then select right level and range |
| 23:46.18 | AStorm | :) |
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| 23:46.52 | AStorm | it's funny they don't use minutes and seconds of angle |
| 23:46.55 | elb | hmmm I have no cjk-fonts |
| 23:46.58 | elb | pokes around |
| 23:47.03 | AStorm | only decimal degrees |
| 23:47.23 | AStorm | elb: it's called close to that |
| 23:47.42 | elb | I have no cjk anything |
| 23:47.56 | elb | (but I have the maemo-cjk repository, from which I installed ttf-kochi-gothic |
| 23:47.59 | elb | ) |
| 23:48.34 | AStorm | should work ok |
| 23:48.43 | AStorm | just fix /etc/fonts.d |
| 23:48.45 | KotCzarny | 1.1G /media/mmc2/Maps |
| 23:48.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:48.56 | AStorm | KotCzarny: what for... |
| 23:49.08 | KotCzarny | nyc and poland |
| 23:49.14 | KotCzarny | and bialystok at close zoom |
| 23:49.22 | elb | fix /etc/fonts.d in what way? |
| 23:49.23 | AStorm | yeah, NYC is large |
| 23:49.49 | AStorm | warsaw takes 1.2g at 4-6 zoom |
| 23:49.49 | KotCzarny | hmm, snapshot would be nice in maemo mapper |
| 23:49.56 | KotCzarny | ie. set area/zoom -> png |
| 23:50.02 | jaska | heh, no vector maps? |
| 23:50.06 | AStorm | screen? use load applet |
| 23:50.18 | KotCzarny | astorm: but i want the map of the whole thing |
| 23:50.22 | KotCzarny | not just visible part |
| 23:50.33 | AStorm | jaska: these wouldn't save space |
| 23:51.03 | AStorm | too many points still |
| 23:51.05 | jaska | 1.2g for a single citys map just sounds rather large |
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| 23:51.12 | AStorm | just uberslow to draw |
| 23:51.18 | KotCzarny | jaska, that depends on zoom level |
| 23:51.33 | KotCzarny | and jpg/png quality |
| 23:51.34 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 23:51.54 | AStorm | jaska: blah, level 4 is large, is 1:750 |
| 23:52.02 | AStorm | or so |
| 23:52.03 | elb | hmmm Kochi Gothic is already in the sans-serif alias |
| 23:52.08 | elb | why the F doesn't it work |
| 23:52.10 | jaska | i mean compared to vector maps :) |
| 23:52.34 | AStorm | jaska, vector of good quality is large too |
| 23:52.36 | koyote | ugh |
| 23:52.38 | AStorm | many coords |
| 23:52.47 | KotCzarny | someone could turn of php debug on maemo.org |
| 23:53.04 | AStorm | KotCzarny: nay, harder for me to hack in |
| 23:53.07 | AStorm | :P |
| 23:54.21 | AStorm | level 4 is overkill anyway |
| 23:54.37 | KotCzarny | i have some areas dled in lv 2 |
| 23:54.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:54.47 | AStorm | real maps are 1:1500 |
| 23:54.50 | KotCzarny | usually those where i live |
| 23:55.07 | AStorm | that is level 5 (a bit less) |
| 23:55.29 | AStorm | only military maps are 1:500 |
| 23:56.53 | KotCzarny | erm. |
| 23:56.57 | elb | real maps may be 1:1500, but they don't suck as bad as display maps at 1:1500 ;-) |
| 23:57.17 | KotCzarny | why the hell usbcontroll install pysthon-{pygame,gnome,id3lib,imaging,runtime} ?! |
