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| 01:14.05 | mgedmin | FAT is so easy to corrupt, and not quite easy to notice when it's corrupted |
| 01:14.13 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 01:14.15 | KotCzarny | fat sucks |
| 01:14.16 | mgedmin | I was trying to restore a backup and reinstall the apps |
| 01:14.27 | mgedmin | and App Installer gave me completely opaque errors "unable to install openssh" |
| 01:14.38 | mgedmin | I thought the maemo repository was hosed again |
| 01:14.48 | mgedmin | but decided to check the log -- "read only file system" |
| 01:15.06 | mgedmin | IT OS needs a nice GUI for dosfsck |
| 01:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | That's what the Log option in the menu is for. |
| 01:15.33 | KotCzarny | mgedmin: afaik dosfsck is run everytime card is mounted |
| 01:15.40 | KotCzarny | i mean before mount |
| 01:16.00 | mgedmin | whee, "Operation failed: [OK]" |
| 01:16.19 | KotCzarny | check mmc-mount script to see if it has dosfsck or soemthing |
| 01:16.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:16.25 | mgedmin | where's the damn "SHOW ME THE LOG" button? |
| 01:16.28 | pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: seen the Kohjinsha SA5 ? |
| 01:16.51 | GeneralAntilles | In the Application Manager menu. |
| 01:16.55 | mgedmin | last line in the log is "Installing libzlibrary 0.8.16-1" |
| 01:16.58 | GeneralAntilles | No, pupnik_, what is it? |
| 01:16.59 | mgedmin | no indication about what failed or why |
| 01:17.17 | mgedmin | I'm starting to see why people hate the app installer |
| 01:17.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:17.27 | KotCzarny | guis are for wimps anyway |
| 01:17.48 | mgedmin | hey, KotCzarny, how do you reinstall all the apps listed in the backup from the command line? |
| 01:18.05 | KotCzarny | apt-get install `some sed magic here` ? |
| 01:18.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:18.09 | mgedmin | 'unzip && parse xml && sudo apt-get install foo bar baz' is a bit too manual |
| 01:19.02 | mgedmin | fwiw dosfsck is not present in the OS image |
| 01:19.14 | KotCzarny | i believe i have seen it |
| 01:19.21 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 01:19.22 | mgedmin | maybe it's not in my path |
| 01:19.34 | KotCzarny | may be named differently |
| 01:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, it shows ro errors here. :\ |
| 01:20.16 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# which dosfsck |
| 01:20.19 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.23 | KotCzarny | mine has it |
| 01:20.30 | mgedmin | right, I'm not root yet |
| 01:20.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:23.27 | mgedmin | so, on a n810, is there a way to press 'tab' that doesn't involve the touchscreen? |
| 01:23.38 | mgedmin | (or a bluetooth/usb keyboard) |
| 01:23.41 | KotCzarny | has n800 |
| 01:23.50 | mgedmin | yay, operation failed again |
| 01:23.54 | mgedmin | looks like I'm not done ranting :-) |
| 01:24.10 | KotCzarny | just format that mmc with ext3? |
| 01:24.11 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:24.28 | nrktk | mgedmin you can remap the keyboard, i was searching for it, because of the lack of the | in the keyboard of my n810 |
| 01:24.44 | mgedmin | yes, I was just wondering |
| 01:24.54 | mgedmin | fn-space or fn-chr might be a hidden shortcut |
| 01:25.24 | mgedmin | er, chr-space |
| 01:25.38 | mgedmin | *duh* ctrl-i *is* tab |
| 01:25.44 | mgedmin | unix rules |
| 01:26.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:26.41 | Navi | mgedmin, ohdamn, you're right |
| 01:26.51 | mgedmin | a n810 looks much better in real life compared to all the pics on the web |
| 01:27.21 | nrktk | mgedmin yes, at the shell, but not in the tex editors and similar. |
| 01:27.29 | nrktk | and i agree, looks better in hand |
| 01:27.33 | mgedmin | but I keep stabbing the webcam with my thumb out of habit, thinking it's the d-pad |
| 01:27.34 | nrktk | more solid |
| 01:27.57 | KotCzarny | mgedmin: write vid script |
| 01:28.05 | KotCzarny | to make it optical trackball |
| 01:28.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:28.11 | mgedmin | heh, gesture controls |
| 01:28.30 | mgedmin | yikes, the new screen is already full of my fingerprints |
| 01:28.49 | mgedmin | hm, backup/restore doesn't restore statusbar icon order |
| 01:28.55 | mgedmin | nor app menu organisation |
| 01:29.32 | pupnik_ | mmm there are now 5.61" 1024x600 tft displays |
| 01:29.42 | mgedmin | spent 5 minutes in the car trying to remember the factory pin of his bluetooth GPS before he noticed the "use internal gps" option and remembered that n810 had one |
| 01:30.03 | Navi | eh |
| 01:30.11 | Navi | you might as well try to remember that pin |
| 01:30.30 | mgedmin | it's 2004 |
| 01:30.33 | mgedmin | err, 2003 |
| 01:30.41 | Navi | lol |
| 01:30.41 | mgedmin | I remembered it looked like a year number |
| 01:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think Nokia has any chance of competing in that price range with OMAP. |
| 01:30.47 | mgedmin | but I tried 2001 and 2004 only |
| 01:31.14 | mgedmin | I've got it written down, but not readily accessible when I'm in my car |
| 01:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, well, OMAP3440 at 1.0-1.2GHz might work. |
| 01:32.11 | mgedmin | why oh why won't OS2008 let me disable the darn Presence applet? |
| 01:32.24 | mgedmin | I don't need it cluttering my status bar |
| 01:32.33 | KotCzarny | never uset presence applet |
| 01:32.37 | KotCzarny | *used |
| 01:32.40 | pupnik_ | i think that's a high-power version. the 3430 (3530) in pandora seems to run around 600mhz |
| 01:32.57 | GeneralAntilles | Just delete the .desktop if it bothers you so much. |
| 01:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | They've got a UMPC-targeted version. |
| 01:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | Of the 3440, I believe. |
| 01:33.18 | pupnik_ | ahh ok |
| 01:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | Which is in the ~1GHz range. |
| 01:33.31 | Navi | There's the 35xx line of OMAP3 |
| 01:33.40 | Navi | not listed on their site, though |
| 01:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 01:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder what the differences are. |
| 01:33.51 | pupnik_ | 35xx is just 34xx for smaller production runs |
| 01:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | Aha |
| 01:34.08 | GeneralAntilles | Makes sense. |
| 01:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | Weird that they have a different designation, though. |
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| 01:39.24 | mgedmin | yay, I'm root now |
| 01:41.40 | Navi | woo |
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| 01:42.07 | mgedmin | cool, rsync is available on maemo these days |
| 01:42.17 | Navi | I tried to use it |
| 01:42.20 | mgedmin | why haven't I noticed that earlier? |
| 01:42.24 | Navi | it segfaulted >_> |
| 01:42.27 | mgedmin | wait, "tried"? |
| 01:42.28 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 01:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's been around for forever. |
| 01:43.46 | mgedmin | bet it's unaligned memory access or something like that |
| 01:44.50 | Proteous | the quick brown rfox jumped over/the lazy dog |
| 01:45.06 | mgedmin | okay now, can someone explain to me, in simple one-syllable words preferably, why in the world does Application Installer refresh the whole app list if I click on a package to see its description and the choose "Cancel"? |
| 01:45.19 | Proteous | it's true I saw it/ on tv |
| 01:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | Because that's how it was programmed? |
| 01:45.37 | Proteous | ... |
| 01:45.40 | KotCzarny | rfox? |
| 01:45.51 | mgedmin | typing is hard |
| 01:45.53 | lcuk_2 | and why does the same program only display the description upto a certain point forcing you to open the properties window to read the description |
| 01:46.08 | lcuk_2 | (on the list) |
| 01:46.18 | KotCzarny | let's call app-manager beta quality |
| 01:46.29 | Proteous | you've never seen an rfox? |
| 01:46.31 | KotCzarny | and have some tea |
| 01:46.33 | lcuk_2 | i can feel the warmth coming off it ;) |
| 01:46.58 | lcuk_2 | well, thats options sorted now :) |
| 01:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | Application Manager is open. |
| 01:47.08 | KotCzarny | protoeous: nope, doesn't saw it too |
| 01:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | Fix it if you don't like it. :P |
| 01:47.19 | KotCzarny | no thankx, i'll just use apt-get |
| 01:47.37 | lcuk_2 | no damnit, ill put a change request to the person who knows and understands it |
| 01:47.42 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | OK, good, go do it! |
| 01:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org |
| 01:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'll even vote for it! |
| 01:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, I'll mark it New. :D |
| 01:48.05 | lcuk_2 | i am doing right now :P |
| 01:48.11 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: wait, what? |
| 01:48.14 | mgedmin | it's open source? |
| 01:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 01:48.20 | mgedmin | despite being written by Nokia? |
| 01:48.20 | mgedmin | wow |
| 01:48.25 | Proteous | apt-get upgrade application-manager |
| 01:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hildon-app-mgr/ |
| 01:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, there's a lot of Nokia stuff that's open. |
| 01:49.02 | KotCzarny | ah, garage quality |
| 01:49.09 | KotCzarny | it's not even beta then |
| 01:49.09 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:49.11 | mgedmin | yes, framework stuff |
| 01:49.15 | mgedmin | rarely GUI applications |
| 01:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | hildon-desktop is |
| 01:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB is |
| 01:49.49 | mgedmin | apt-get source osso-application-installer |
| 01:49.54 | mgedmin | E: Unable to find a source package for osso-application-installer |
| 01:50.03 | mgedmin | thanks for the garage link |
| 01:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's osso |
| 01:50.12 | mgedmin | because deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free doesn't find it |
| 01:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have the right source repo, anyway? |
| 01:50.16 | Proteous | I hate that the on screen keyboard makes a click feedback sound even when you press the wrong place and it doesn't write a letter |
| 01:50.27 | mgedmin | maybe not, I tried "maemo application installer svn" in google and got to https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ |
| 01:50.33 | mgedmin | which does have osso-application-installer in it |
| 01:51.01 | mgedmin | ah, chinook has hildon-application-manager |
| 01:51.12 | mgedmin | and apt-get source works for it |
| 01:51.17 | GeneralAntilles | osso is on the way out. |
| 01:51.28 | mgedmin | re MicroB: IIRC only the backend is open, but the browser UI itself is closed |
| 01:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | browser-ui is open |
| 01:51.44 | GeneralAntilles | tablet-browser is not :\ |
| 01:51.56 | mgedmin | what's the difference? |
| 01:51.57 | lcuk_2 | ok, who nicked my lighter? |
| 01:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | browser-ui is OS2007. |
| 01:52.06 | mgedmin | lcuk_2: google |
| 01:52.16 | lcuk_2 | good idea |
| 01:52.19 | mgedmin | ah ouch bad trend there |
| 01:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, smoking is a dirty and expensive habit. :P |
| 01:52.36 | mgedmin | why assume the worst? |
| 01:52.40 | mgedmin | maybe he just wants to set the house on fire |
| 01:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'm helping you out by stealing your possession then being preachy at you. :P |
| 01:52.50 | GeneralAntilles | s/possession/possessions/ |
| 01:52.55 | lcuk_2 | expensive? i smoke like a chimney and spend about £3 a week - less than we spend on newspapers |
| 01:53.20 | lcuk_2 | rolling tobacco is cheap |
| 01:53.47 | lcuk_2 | but i agree its dirty |
| 01:54.15 | mgedmin | suddenly remembers it's 4 AM and almost falls asleep |
| 01:54.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:54.32 | mgedmin | hildon-app-manager patches can wait |
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| 01:54.40 | mgedmin | good night, everyone |
| 01:55.37 | Proteous | | |
| 01:55.42 | KotCzarny | - |
| 01:55.57 | Proteous | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.18 | Proteous | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.31 | Proteous | é |
| 01:56.51 | KotCzarny | utfer |
| 01:57.14 | Proteous | exactly |
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| 02:41.32 | lcuk_2 | any idea where i will find ttf fonts on the maemo or are they scattered? |
| 02:42.03 | KotCzarny | in usual folder |
| 02:42.06 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.04 | lcuk_2 | holy bum fluff robin, you're right |
| 02:43.08 | KotCzarny | last time i checked x.org used it |
| 02:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody packaged mlocate |
| 02:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | You ought to install it. :P |
| 02:43.32 | KotCzarny | and since os2008 is quite a modern debian fork |
| 02:43.40 | KotCzarny | it will use same dir structure |
| 02:43.43 | lcuk_2 | thx kot |
| 02:43.47 | KotCzarny | lcuk: np |
| 02:43.56 | KotCzarny | as a side note you can put your ttfs there |
| 02:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.05 | Navi | mlocate is heavy |
| 02:44.09 | Navi | just use find :/ |
| 02:44.14 | KotCzarny | and make theme using them |
| 02:44.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, busybox find is mean. |
| 02:44.28 | Navi | only 'cuz u sux |
| 02:44.33 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 02:44.34 | GeneralAntilles | Quite probably |
| 02:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | But if I sux, lcuk_2 will sux more. :P |
| 02:44.44 | lcuk_2 | wants to press f4 |
| 02:44.48 | lcuk_2 | f3 even |
| 02:44.54 | Navi | find /usr -name "ttf" |
| 02:45.08 | KotCzarny | lcuk: install mc |
| 02:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | locate .tff :P |
| 02:45.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:45.10 | lcuk_2 | i did type something like that. look |
| 02:45.18 | lcuk_2 | <lcuk_2> any idea where i will find ttf fonts on the maemo or are they scattered? |
| 02:45.22 | KotCzarny | it has find file option |
| 02:45.22 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, you have to run updatedb first |
| 02:45.35 | Navi | assuming a fresh install |
| 02:45.40 | lcuk_2 | this natural language processor that IRC uses is amazing :) |
| 02:46.07 | lcuk_2 | i think all programs should have an irc help bar ;) |
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| 02:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | I am not your slave. ;_; |
| 02:46.26 | KotCzarny | you still have to parse answers by yourself |
| 02:46.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:46.40 | *** topic/#maemo by Navi -> GA sux |
| 02:46.42 | lcuk_2 | and i learn more by asking and discussing :) |
| 02:46.44 | Navi | oh shit! |
| 02:46.46 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 02:46.48 | Navi | >_> |
| 02:46.49 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 02:46.51 | Navi | What the hell? |
| 02:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | Fail. |
| 02:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad there's no ops for this channel |
| 02:47.02 | KotCzarny | lcuk: today you learn, tomorrow you will teach |
| 02:47.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | Or they'd kick your ass. |
| 02:47.24 | lcuk_2 | its ok, ive gotta figure out how to upload something yet |
| 02:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | Upload where? |
| 02:47.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk: make your own thttpd based local repo |
| 02:47.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:47.48 | *** topic/#maemo by Navi -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 02:47.49 | KotCzarny | and just add it ;) |
| 02:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:48.21 | Navi | Why do unopped people have permissions to change the topic in here? |
| 02:48.24 | lcuk_2 | we've been over this - that involves me doing all sorts of shit - ive just spent god knows how long handling option parsing |
| 02:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | Because there is no authority to this channel. |
| 02:48.41 | Navi | :/ |
| 02:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | It was created and the founder disappeared. :P |
| 02:48.47 | KotCzarny | lcuk: option parsing is easy |
| 02:48.49 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 02:49.07 | lcuk_2 | yes, but i didnt want to use single character codes for things |
| 02:49.09 | KotCzarny | there's even lib for it |
| 02:49.17 | lcuk_2 | yes i know i read up |
| 02:49.19 | KotCzarny | you won't have to |
| 02:49.27 | KotCzarny | strcmp |
| 02:49.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:49.36 | lcuk_2 | getopt and getopt_long :| |
| 02:49.42 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 02:49.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:50.01 | Navi | Doesn't matter if the founder disappeared |
| 02:50.02 | lcuk_2 | getopt appeared to want me to force options in a specific order |
| 02:50.12 | Navi | just go to #freenode and complain >_> |
| 02:50.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: wanna see my options parser? |
| 02:50.30 | lcuk_2 | it was easier for me to write a couple of functions for getopt_str and getopt_num |
| 02:50.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'll go bitch at kloeri. |
| 02:50.41 | Navi | lol |
| 02:50.55 | lcuk_2 | nahhh i done it, it works nicely and accepts defaults for when they arent passed (or are invalid) |
| 02:51.33 | KotCzarny | it's a one liner anyway |
| 02:52.06 | KotCzarny | well, two liner if you want to have --opt and --opt n |
| 02:52.08 | lcuk_2 | yer, it is now :) for any program i write app_getopt_int("size", 20) |
| 02:52.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:52.37 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.37 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.56 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:53.07 | lcuk_2 | but what if its NAN? or if its invalid looping param? |
| 02:53.11 | lcuk_2 | ;) |
| 02:53.21 | KotCzarny | then it won't work anyway? |
| 02:53.33 | KotCzarny | if user is stupid it's HIS (or HER) fault |
| 02:53.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:53.36 | lcuk_2 | but sanitizing your inputs in important |
| 02:53.44 | KotCzarny | atoi does that |
| 02:54.05 | lcuk_2 | no it doesnt, it returns 0 if it cant parse it, or min/max if its out of bounds |
| 02:54.13 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 02:54.17 | KotCzarny | and it's enough |
| 02:54.43 | lcuk_2 | depends what looping is used for i suppose |
| 02:54.43 | KotCzarny | if one enters word where number is expected, it's his fault |
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| 02:55.22 | KotCzarny | if looping>0 then it doesn't exit after one loop |
| 02:55.36 | KotCzarny | otherwise it's usleep |
| 02:55.40 | lcuk_2 | also, what happens if they dont supply a param, but instead supply a further -param? you will miss it by blindly accepting its expected as an arg |
| 02:55.41 | KotCzarny | *1M |
| 02:55.43 | lcuk_2 | ;) |
| 02:56.11 | KotCzarny | that what second if is for |
| 02:56.33 | lcuk_2 | arghhh, missed it :) |
| 02:56.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:56.39 | lcuk_2 | well, the atoi |
| 02:56.57 | KotCzarny | so first if we get -l, when we set default delay |
| 02:57.00 | lcuk_2 | i dont actually care what order things come in |
| 02:57.12 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 02:57.14 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 02:57.25 | KotCzarny | there's for around it |
| 02:57.34 | KotCzarny | from 1 to argc |
| 02:57.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:59.20 | KotCzarny | actually i like it my way because some options are exclusive/inclusive |
| 02:59.39 | KotCzarny | and one would have to check accordingly anyway |
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| 03:10.24 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4269 |
| 03:10.28 | KotCzarny | that's just plain stupid. |
| 03:12.57 | Tama^2 | it's beyond stupid |
| 03:13.15 | Navi | What is? |
| 03:13.33 | KotCzarny | yeah. it's stupid and expensive. |
| 03:13.36 | Tama^2 | open the link |
| 03:13.38 | KotCzarny | and shiny. |
| 03:15.04 | Navi | link? |
| 03:15.13 | Tama^2 | -_- |
| 03:15.25 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4269 |
| 03:15.42 | Navi | Oh, I have that guy on /ignore |
| 03:15.59 | Tama^2 | ah |
| 03:16.24 | lcuk_2 | actually i think http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4276 is a better idea |
| 03:16.31 | Navi | Power rings! |
| 03:17.16 | KotCzarny | lcuk: boobs in hand are better than silicon on paper |
| 03:17.17 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:17.57 | lcuk_2 | good point, and they have been dualcore for a while as well |
| 03:18.18 | KotCzarny | dualcore? |
| 03:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | high-fives Navi. |
| 03:18.21 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 03:22.02 | lcuk_2 | am i safe using "/usr/share/fonts/nokia/nosnb.ttf" as a default font for 99.9999% of nokia 8x0s? at least for now |
| 03:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming that's one of the ones that's bundled? |
| 03:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'm a fan of the Sans font they bundle. |
| 03:22.34 | KotCzarny | define 'safe' |
| 03:22.45 | lcuk_2 | yer - saves me trying to mess around finding a free one to include |
| 03:22.51 | KotCzarny | you should use osso provided aliases |
| 03:22.56 | lcuk_2 | 'safe' = included in most systems |
| 03:22.59 | GeneralAntilles | bitstream |
| 03:23.01 | KotCzarny | if you want to play safe |
| 03:23.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:23.15 | lcuk_2 | i couldnt find sans |
| 03:23.19 | lcuk_2 | i dont think its a ttf |
| 03:23.29 | KotCzarny | i mean gtk provided |
| 03:23.52 | lcuk_2 | its only as a proof of concept |
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| 03:24.23 | KotCzarny | there should be an alias for sans, sansserif and mono |
| 03:24.33 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 03:24.48 | KotCzarny | that's why they are not in the fs |
| 03:24.55 | lcuk_2 | well since up until half hour ago i was using arial.ttf i think what i have now is better |
| 03:25.04 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:25.31 | KotCzarny | and most of the os2008 images are the same |
| 03:25.39 | KotCzarny | so yes, you're reasonably safe |
| 03:25.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:25.45 | GeneralAntilles | We'd've lynched you for that. |
| 03:26.07 | lcuk_2 | no you wouldnt, i could never include it and post it anywhere - its bad form |
| 03:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | Arial is an abomination. |
| 03:26.37 | KotCzarny | you can make it download from sf.net |
| 03:26.38 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:27.05 | KotCzarny | (in postinstall script) |
| 03:28.15 | lopz | bye |
| 03:28.55 | lopz | zZZzZZ.. |
| 03:32.53 | lcuk_2 | time to sleep :) nite all |
| 03:32.58 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 03:32.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 04:22.07 | Italodance | hi |
| 04:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | So, anybody thought up an easy answer to help newbies format corrupt internal memory on the N810 when they can't disable swap? |
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| 04:37.45 | shackan | what the hell do i have to do to share my music from rhythmbox to canola via daap? |
| 04:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | Wait for the UPnP plugin? |
| 04:38.43 | shackan | doesn't canola2 do daap? |
| 04:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | The plugin is still in testing. |
| 04:40.13 | shackan | and i want to test it :) |
| 04:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | Go petition the INdT guys. :P |
| 04:40.42 | shackan | crap |
| 04:41.02 | shackan | no upnp support either? |
| 04:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | Not until the plugin is out. |
| 04:42.56 | shackan | jeesus they spent so much time to make it shiny.. with dynamic scrolling and shit |
| 04:43.31 | shackan | so, any other daap or upnp client available? |
| 04:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | shackan, just be glad you have something to play with. |
| 04:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | If you want to HELP, evidently this is the place to go: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=138&type=g |
| 04:44.45 | shackan | (the default player speas upnp but forces to listen one album at a time) |
| 04:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | Media streamer might work. |
| 04:50.51 | shackan | hahaha mediastreamer is not installable |
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| 05:03.43 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:03.50 | Tama^2 | hmm |
| 05:03.58 | KotCzarny | this stowaway kb works beautifully withj my n-gage |
| 05:04.14 | KotCzarny | on n800 bt powersaving probably fscks up key delay |
| 05:04.21 | KotCzarny | or is it? |
| 05:04.22 | Tama^2 | side-talking? |
| 05:04.36 | KotCzarny | right now kb testing |
| 05:04.45 | KotCzarny | and response is brilliant |
| 05:04.55 | KotCzarny | but on n800 it's laggy |
| 05:05.12 | Tama^2 | happens to every bt kb |
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| 05:05.37 | Tama^2 | at some stage I read somewhere that the bluez bt stack was to blame |
| 05:05.42 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:05.59 | KotCzarny | is there any remedy? |
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| 05:06.39 | Tama^2 | not that I know of |
| 05:07.54 | KotCzarny | did you know that blue-fn + left/right space maps to left/right soft-keys? |
| 05:07.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:08.05 | KotCzarny | (on symbian) |
| 05:08.47 | Tama^2 | ever had a symbian device |
| 05:08.53 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 05:08.58 | KotCzarny | no nokia phones? |
| 05:08.59 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 05:09.43 | Tama^2 | last nokia I had was a no camera, bw screen 50$ thing |
| 05:09.44 | Tama^2 | >.> |
| 05:09.59 | KotCzarny | my n-gage is 50$ thing too |
| 05:10.00 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:10.10 | KotCzarny | no camera too |
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| 05:28.29 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:28.42 | KotCzarny | but while running a game it sucks. |
| 05:28.50 | KotCzarny | i wonder why |
| 05:29.12 | KotCzarny | maybe game renices itself above everything else |
| 05:29.14 | Italodance | KotCzarny u have n-gage cool! |
| 05:29.41 | Italodance | i wanted to buya n81 or n95 8gb but finally i prefer n80 |
| 05:29.53 | Italodance | i like all n0gage games |
| 05:30.02 | Italodance | and still playing with my n6670 |
| 05:31.24 | Italodance | morning guys (here) |
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| 05:37.15 | gnuSnob | Tax experts: can I deduct my internet costs, since that's the cost of job searching? |
| 05:37.45 | gnuSnob | And suppose I'm job searching on a regular basis.. can I deduct my internet costs for the year? |
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| 06:24.57 | KotCzarny | http://farookh.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1F807D7A703B5B1E!999.entry |
| 06:24.58 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 06:35.13 | gnuSnob | I just discovered how we can deduct the cost of a NIT on our taxes |
| 06:35.55 | gnuSnob | Install garnet VM, along w/ TCassist (http://www.getjar.com/products/2033/TCAssist), and use the NIT at work to keep track of time to charge |
| 06:39.54 | KotCzarny | isn't tcassist for palmos? |
| 06:40.25 | gnuSnob | yes, that's why i said garnetvm |
| 06:40.34 | KotCzarny | ahm, ok |
| 06:40.49 | KotCzarny | i thought it's some javavm |
| 06:41.16 | gnuSnob | garnet is basically the alias for palmos |
| 06:41.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 06:49.35 | Navi | gnuSnob, lol |
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| 06:51.16 | gnuSnob | You should hear about my job searching write off I have planned for next year |
| 06:51.27 | gnuSnob | I found out job hunting is tax deductible |
| 06:51.57 | gnuSnob | which includes "Travel expenses, including out-of-town job-hunting trips." |
| 06:52.12 | KotCzarny | have you actually used it? |
| 06:52.25 | gnuSnob | So the plan is to search for my next Ada job in the bahama's |
| 06:52.41 | gnuSnob | what, tcassist? Yeah, I use that on my palm tx |
| 06:52.48 | gnuSnob | I have not tried tcassist on the NIT yet |
| 06:52.53 | KotCzarny | no, tax deductions |
| 06:53.09 | gnuSnob | yeah, I itemize my deductions |
| 06:53.26 | gnuSnob | I've not itemized job searching expenses before though |
| 06:53.30 | KotCzarny | how much tiy managed to deduct? |
| 06:53.37 | KotCzarny | *you |
| 06:53.54 | gnuSnob | I have no idea off the top of my head.. but certainly more than the standard deduction |
| 06:54.04 | KotCzarny | 1k$? |
| 06:54.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:54.18 | gnuSnob | The tax software interviews, and decides whether it makes sense to itemize |
| 06:54.38 | gnuSnob | Actually, I've deducted a heck of a lot |
| 06:54.45 | gnuSnob | ~$10k when I was taking pilot lessons |
| 06:55.02 | KotCzarny | pilot lessons? |
| 06:55.03 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 06:55.20 | gnuSnob | for flying single engine planes |
| 06:56.03 | KotCzarny | buy a plane and deduct it as a 'travel expense' |
| 06:56.04 | gnuSnob | All that flight instruction is deductible, if it helps your ability to do your job |
| 06:56.05 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:56.26 | gnuSnob | no, not that.. I haven't tried that yet.. I still have to figure out how to pull that off |
| 06:56.39 | pupnik | peers into the crystal ball |
| 06:56.46 | pupnik | "i see... an audit!" |
| 06:56.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:57.04 | gnuSnob | I'll need to move 51 miles away from work, and commute to work in the plane |
| 06:57.19 | gnuSnob | Then I can deduct it |
| 06:57.36 | gnuSnob | Hopefully I don't have to stop for coffee on the way |
| 06:57.37 | KotCzarny | commuting sucks. |
| 06:59.20 | gnuSnob | Not sure yet how to deduct SallyD. It would be nice to be able to work that angle |
| 07:00.37 | KotCzarny | offtopic, animated gif viewer for linux? |
| 07:01.39 | gnuSnob | firefox |
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| 07:01.58 | KotCzarny | too big |
| 07:02.32 | gnuSnob | well, it's open source, so you just have to strip out what you don't need |
| 07:02.32 | KotCzarny | though i was writing media server app in php |
| 07:03.10 | KotCzarny | it would be faster to hack in gif animation to existing image viewer than to strip firefox |
| 07:03.34 | gnuSnob | Yeah.. i was just being difficult |
| 07:04.03 | gnuSnob | imagemagick might work |
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| 07:04.24 | gnuSnob | that comes standard w/ most distros |
| 07:04.59 | KotCzarny | does it vome with viewer? |
| 07:05.05 | gnuSnob | yeah |
| 07:05.09 | KotCzarny | name? |
| 07:05.17 | gnuSnob | just type "display <image file>" |
| 07:05.41 | KotCzarny | let's see how it handles animated gifs |
| 07:06.10 | KotCzarny | badly. |
| 07:06.52 | gnuSnob | yeah, it's not that great.. it's terrible for porno |
| 07:07.13 | KotCzarny | i wonder.. |
| 07:07.19 | KotCzarny | let's try mplayer |
| 07:07.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:07.29 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 07:07.30 | KotCzarny | worked |
| 07:07.31 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 07:07.46 | KotCzarny | now, let's see if it has autorepeat |
| 07:08.35 | gnuSnob | try gqview |
| 07:08.39 | gnuSnob | that comes with RH |
| 07:09.03 | KotCzarny | no love for a-gifs |
| 07:09.20 | KotCzarny | (in gqview) |
| 07:12.02 | KotCzarny | mplayer -loop 0 |
| 07:12.13 | KotCzarny | though it resets itself between cycles |
| 07:12.13 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 07:12.49 | Navi | pupnik, hey, do you know how to utilize the pixel doubler in sdl? |
| 07:13.19 | pupnik | in specific cases, yes |
| 07:13.46 | pupnik | in others, i have not been successful |
| 07:14.00 | KotCzarny | isn't it just a simple link and one sdl command? |
| 07:14.27 | pupnik | the history of the problems are documented in the maemo-developers mailing list |
| 07:14.35 | pupnik | s/are/is |
| 07:14.47 | KotCzarny | i will believe you then |
| 07:14.54 | Navi | Mmm |
| 07:14.59 | KotCzarny | i have tried it just once |
| 07:15.02 | pupnik | i haven't looked into it in os2008 |
| 07:15.02 | KotCzarny | and it worked |
| 07:15.09 | KotCzarny | so for me it's 100% success rate |
| 07:15.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:15.55 | pupnik | basically, it broke when the app updated many small rectangles on screen, instead of one big one |
| 07:16.14 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 07:16.19 | Navi | yeah, I just saw that on the wiki |
| 07:16.52 | Navi | I actually should of looked at the wiki first |
| 07:18.27 | GeneralAntilles | ass |
| 07:19.19 | pupnik | that wiki page hasn't had many contributions from qualified programmers |
| 07:19.41 | KotCzarny | pupnik: have you tried using mplayer as a picture viewer? |
| 07:19.42 | Navi | heh, I'll check the mailing list after I wake up |
| 07:20.01 | pupnik | KotCzarny: no quiver is my viewer of choice |
| 07:20.03 | Navi | I'm pretty tired at the moment |
| 07:20.06 | pupnik | does it work? |
| 07:20.12 | KotCzarny | i don't know |
| 07:20.21 | KotCzarny | i'm looking for something for animated gifs |
| 07:20.39 | KotCzarny | and mplayer looks very promising |
| 07:21.13 | KotCzarny | if only i will be able to convince it to show only one frame for some time i could use it for other formats too |
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| 07:22.47 | pupnik | gives kupesoft a kupo nut |
| 07:22.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:23.03 | kupesoft | quoi? |
| 07:23.08 | Navi | lol |
| 07:23.20 | kupesoft | ? |
| 07:24.51 | pupnik | Mog, the most famous moogle of all, only had one appearance in Final Fantasy VII - In the mini-game "Mog House", in the arcade. All you had to do was feed him kupo nuts until it said "That's enough". Then Mog could fly and win the affections of the girl-moogle of his dreams. |
| 07:25.27 | KotCzarny | yah. |
| 07:25.35 | KotCzarny | and you get 30qp for it |
| 07:25.40 | kupesoft | That's a bot, right? |
| 07:25.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:25.55 | KotCzarny | kupesoft: wrong. you should answer: kupo! |
| 07:25.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:26.06 | pupnik | right! :) |
| 07:26.45 | KotCzarny | hmm. mplayer -loop 0 -fixed-vo mf://your.jpg |
| 07:26.55 | KotCzarny | now how can i make pause on the first frame |
| 07:26.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:27.31 | KotCzarny | hah. |
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| 07:27.40 | KotCzarny | mplayer -idle -fixed-vo mf://your.jpg |
| 07:27.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:28.02 | KotCzarny | add -zoom -fs and you get your picture viewer |
| 07:28.03 | KotCzarny | :>>> |
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| 07:29.21 | pupnik | hehe |
| 07:29.52 | KotCzarny | and mplayer's swscaler is decent |
| 07:29.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:30.00 | pupnik | there's no decent comic book viewer (packed image list) yet afaik |
| 07:30.23 | Navi | Comix is decent |
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| 07:33.36 | Navi | anyways, 'night |
| 07:35.23 | KaaLi | have some of u purchased wayfinder.. |
| 07:36.40 | pupnik | Cheers Navi |
| 07:36.56 | pupnik | comix unpacks the whole archive before displaying a picture - not the right way to do it |
| 07:37.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:37.15 | KotCzarny | vfs to the rescue? |
| 07:37.20 | KotCzarny | avfs |
| 07:38.18 | KotCzarny | this way you can use quiver or even included image viewer i think |
| 07:38.39 | pupnik | yup |
| 07:43.29 | KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/libungif |
| 07:43.32 | KotCzarny | wtf? |
| 07:45.18 | KotCzarny | Work on libungif has been halted due to the expiration of the patent on LZW. giflib continues to have bugfixes and patches merged. As part of this work, the sourceforge project has been renamed from libungif to giflib. |
| 07:45.20 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.21 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 07:45.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:54.47 | KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/Viewers/ |
| 07:54.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:55.35 | KotCzarny | http://gtkmmviewer.sourceforge.net/scrshot.html.en |
| 07:55.39 | KotCzarny | this one is interesting |
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| 08:53.23 | aquatix | morning |
| 09:03.55 | KotCzarny | yup. |
| 09:04.18 | KotCzarny | gimageview is my new images/videos (pre)viewer of choice |
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| 09:14.56 | eichi | are there many apps on https://garage.maemo.org which arent on downloads.maemo.org ? |
| 09:15.06 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 09:15.06 | eichi | it seems that i miss a lot of apps ^^ |
| 09:15.22 | eichi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/powerlaunch/ thats the first time i read about this |
| 09:17.21 | eichi | im searching somehing like an application launcher on the desktop |
| 09:17.26 | eichi | for os2008 |
| 09:17.57 | eichi | and i want to remove the community button on the left sidebar, with email, voip etc |
| 09:18.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:18.23 | KotCzarny | for that you will have to install something |
| 09:18.27 | KotCzarny | i forgot the name |
| 09:18.32 | KotCzarny | menu-toolbar? |
| 09:18.37 | KotCzarny | something like this |
| 09:19.41 | eichi | i found powerlaunch, idea and jack |
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| 09:20.55 | eichi | and personal-menu |
| 09:21.07 | KotCzarny | yeah, that's the name |
| 09:21.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:21.35 | aquatix | btw, why can't i freely move apps to another menu? |
| 09:21.47 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 09:22.00 | eichi | aquarius-, go to control panel |
| 09:23.13 | aquatix | yeah, Panels, Applications, Organize |
| 09:23.31 | aquatix | but i can't move all apps to another menu, only some |
| 09:23.46 | aquatix | and generally only from/to extras and the my choice one |
| 09:23.46 | KotCzarny | that's a bug |
| 09:23.48 | KotCzarny | you can |
| 09:23.57 | KotCzarny | i usually change to another menu and back |
| 09:24.00 | KotCzarny | and then try again |
| 09:24.04 | aquatix | oh |
| 09:24.06 | aquatix | hm |
| 09:24.09 | KotCzarny | just keep trying |
| 09:24.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:24.18 | aquatix | myeah, i gave up eventually :) |
| 09:24.46 | aquatix | partly because there's no room for a Multimedia menu in the main menu without having to scroll anyway |
| 09:25.16 | KotCzarny | choose favourite 5 and put other below |
| 09:25.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:25.52 | eichi | aquatix, no. i created many menus and changed the location of many icons - really ^^ |
| 09:26.38 | eichi | i have 8 menus |
| 09:26.47 | eichi | the last one is the "notNeeded" ;D |
| 09:27.13 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:27.28 | eichi | i have online, games, system, office, multimedia, OnTheRoad, Extras, NotNeeded |
| 09:27.39 | aquatix | myeah, but when you exceed the 6, it starts to scroll, so only 5 are visible |
| 09:27.50 | KotCzarny | you can make notneeded a subset of the 6th menu |
| 09:27.52 | eichi | yes, thats right |
| 09:27.53 | aquatix | and i don't like that in the main menu |
| 09:28.02 | aquatix | ah, submenu |
| 09:28.03 | KotCzarny | ie. get 5 apps on the top that you will actually use |
| 09:28.04 | aquatix | idea |
| 09:28.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:28.23 | aquatix | oh |
| 09:28.30 | eichi | i want to remove this damn community menu |
| 09:28.36 | eichi | i dont need any of this apps |
| 09:28.38 | aquatix | meh, no submenu possible, only order |
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| 09:30.14 | eichi | someone used powerlaunch? its sounds dangeraous |
| 09:30.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:30.24 | eichi | "replaces the systemui |
| 09:30.29 | KotCzarny | it's nice |
| 09:30.32 | eichi | i dont want to damage my sists |
| 09:30.34 | eichi | system |
| 09:30.39 | KotCzarny | you won't |
| 09:30.41 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 09:30.54 | aquatix | *g* |
| 09:31.14 | eichi | i know this from themes, which destroyed my maemo. i never touch new themes. damnit |
| 09:31.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:31.37 | aquatix | erm |
| 09:31.43 | aquatix | gtk themes destroyed maemo? |
| 09:31.48 | aquatix | wtf :) |
| 09:31.52 | KotCzarny | there's always backup :) |
| 09:32.03 | aquatix | which doesn't completely work? |
| 09:32.03 | eichi | it was a startrack themes for os2007 |
| 09:32.06 | AStorm | does canola2 support Vorbis? |
| 09:32.13 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 09:32.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:32.22 | eichi | AStorm, no |
| 09:32.22 | aquatix | AStorm: iirc, yes |
| 09:32.25 | aquatix | oh |
| 09:32.32 | aquatix | eichi is more right ;) |
| 09:32.38 | AStorm | drat! |
| 09:32.49 | eichi | AStorm, i useUKMP and kagu for this |
| 09:32.52 | AStorm | any more all-purpose player? |
| 09:32.59 | aquatix | the built-in one? |
| 09:33.06 | aquatix | with ogg-support |
| 09:33.15 | AStorm | aquatix: doesn't suuport video ok |
| 09:33.44 | eichi | AStorm, kagu works stable and is nice, UKMP is the nicest, but somethimes is slows down and the sound is strange, you have to restart maemo, that sucks |
| 09:33.55 | eichi | use kagu |
| 09:33.58 | KotCzarny | astorm: gimageview |
| 09:33.58 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 09:34.02 | eichi | i have ogg music only to |
| 09:34.19 | KotCzarny | i have found this gem today |
| 09:34.32 | KotCzarny | and i'll probably try to port it soon |
| 09:34.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:34.52 | eichi | i installed powerlaunch, and now?! |
| 09:35.00 | AStorm | KotCzarny: that supports audio playback? |
| 09:35.00 | eichi | reboot? |
| 09:35.20 | KotCzarny | astorm: can use mplayer as a slave |
| 09:35.29 | KotCzarny | and has 'add by extension' |
| 09:35.34 | KotCzarny | so probably yes |
| 09:35.39 | KotCzarny | but haven't tried yet |
| 09:35.52 | eichi | what is softpoweroff? |
| 09:35.58 | AStorm | ive installed gstreamer-0.10-ivorbis plugin |
| 09:36.14 | AStorm | still no ogg support in the default player |
| 09:36.30 | AStorm | maybe i have to restart something? |
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| 09:36.43 | GeneralAntilles | eichi, easier to get into and out of lock-mode. |
| 09:37.04 | AStorm | blahblah |
| 09:37.07 | eichi | AStorm, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ |
| 09:37.14 | AStorm | button is easy enough |
| 09:37.27 | eichi | GeneralAntilles, ah okay, i got it. i thought, this was another thing ;) |
| 09:38.39 | eichi | was is "mce" which is replaced now? |
| 09:38.58 | eichi | and was is "softpoweroff" |
| 09:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | <GeneralAntilles> eichi, easier to get into and out of lock-mode. |
| 09:39.31 | AStorm | maybe after i install that, canola will detect vorbis |
| 09:39.44 | AStorm | it uses gst after all |
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| 09:42.08 | AStorm | have to remove ivorbis for it |
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| 09:48.39 | AStorm | "unable to install" |
| 09:48.55 | AStorm | i'll retry after a reboot |
| 09:48.55 | KotCzarny | time to bed. night people |
| 09:48.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:48.58 | AStorm | brb |
| 09:49.25 | qwerty12 | KotCzarny: good night |
| 09:49.42 | KotCzarny | qwerty12: have you tried kcbatt 0.2.4? |
| 09:49.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:50.19 | qwerty12 | I have it installed :P. I havn't really tried it yet though. My N800 is charging atm |
| 09:50.32 | KotCzarny | charging mode is updated too |
| 09:50.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:50.39 | qwerty12 | Don't get me wrong though, I really appricate your work :) |
| 09:50.41 | qwerty12 | Ok :) |
| 09:51.00 | KotCzarny | so it gets quite meaningfull output :) |
| 09:51.33 | qwerty12 | I like it, I just tried it :) |
| 09:51.37 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 09:51.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:51.53 | KotCzarny | np. it has some testing params added |
| 09:52.11 | KotCzarny | so you can try tweaking it :) |
| 09:52.16 | KotCzarny | without recompiling |
| 09:52.21 | qwerty12 | Ok :) |
| 09:52.28 | qwerty12 | I have it added to personal menu |
| 09:52.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:53.07 | KotCzarny | ok, sleep time |
| 09:53.15 | qwerty12 | lol, good night :D |
| 09:54.59 | aquatix | KotCzarny: g'night :) |
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| 09:57.48 | qwerty12 | Just curious, does N800 have TI BRF6150 bluetooth chip? |
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| 10:11.52 | Cptnodegard | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/22/screen-grabs-nokia-n770-lives-free-dies-hard/ |
| 10:15.18 | eichi | "Usually I am not a grammar/spelling nazi" grammar nazi, is this common? |
| 10:15.20 | eichi | sounds evil |
| 10:15.40 | qwerty12 | grammar nazi is quite common |
| 10:15.58 | qwerty12 | no idea why it's that though |
| 10:16.05 | sxpert | distribution of godwins too |
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| 10:44.46 | christefano | has anyone tried using bookmarklets in the microb browser? |
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| 10:56.48 | megabyte405 | christefano: no but I see no reason why they shouldn't work |
| 10:57.06 | christefano | I'm having trouble getting supergenpass to work |
| 10:57.58 | christefano | it's a bookmarklet that generates passwords based on a hash of a master password and the TLD of a site one tries to log in to |
| 10:58.03 | christefano | http://supergenpass.com |
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| 11:00.40 | christefano | is there a way to trigger a bookmarklet without opening the Bookmarks window? |
| 11:00.49 | AStorm | ok, so which media player that supports all media do you recommend? |
| 11:01.30 | AStorm | ah, and a tagging program |
| 11:04.15 | AStorm | hmm? |
| 11:04.43 | qwerty12 | For pc or internet tablet? |
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| 11:06.01 | AStorm | for chinook |
| 11:06.43 | qwerty12 | ok, there are only really 1. mplayer is the best (the only, except counting a odd port of vlc) and audio tag tool |
| 11:07.10 | AStorm | yeah, but mplayer has crummy interface |
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| 11:07.26 | AStorm | some frontend supporting media library? |
| 11:07.34 | qwerty12 | canola uses mplayer to play videos |
| 11:07.46 | AStorm | yup |
| 11:07.52 | AStorm | but not for audio |
| 11:08.02 | AStorm | thus doesn't support ogg |
| 11:08.08 | AStorm | can't list it |
| 11:08.21 | qwerty12 | Oh right. Hmm |
| 11:08.28 | AStorm | although default media player sees them |
| 11:08.41 | qwerty12 | You can use ogg support package. There are now 2. |
| 11:08.44 | AStorm | making canola support it would be best |
| 11:08.49 | qwerty12 | They work with built in media player |
| 11:08.51 | AStorm | I have that |
| 11:09.00 | AStorm | but built-in is junk |
| 11:09.15 | qwerty12 | canola actually uses the built in player to play audio |
| 11:09.16 | AStorm | and i still need a tagging tool |
| 11:09.22 | AStorm | no |
| 11:09.24 | qwerty12 | I guess it is a matter of adding ogg display support |
| 11:09.32 | AStorm | it uses gstreamer directly |
| 11:09.38 | AStorm | yep |
| 11:09.55 | qwerty12 | oh, my bad - but I thought ogg support adds ogg gstreamer plugins? |
| 11:10.23 | qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/audiotagtool/ - this is the only one |
| 11:10.25 | qwerty12 | afaik |
| 11:10.29 | qwerty12 | works for ogg & mp3 |
| 11:12.00 | AStorm | mhm, good |
| 11:12.05 | AStorm | cli? |
| 11:12.10 | qwerty12 | hildonised |
| 11:12.12 | qwerty12 | gui. |
| 11:12.52 | solmumaha | qwerty12: have you tested the ntfs module in kernel? is it really read/write nowadays? |
| 11:12.53 | megabyte405 | I use OGG with Canola |
| 11:12.58 | AStorm | yeah! |
| 11:13.12 | AStorm | megabyte405: what do i have to install? |
| 11:13.16 | megabyte405 | solmumaha: you're wanting NTFS-3g - google it, it is read/write |
| 11:13.19 | qwerty12 | solmumaha: I haven't sorry, I'm more curious |
| 11:13.23 | AStorm | added some ogg-support package |
| 11:13.28 | megabyte405 | AStorm: not sure, I think ogg-support package |
| 11:13.30 | qwerty12 | solmumaha ported it :D |
| 11:13.34 | qwerty12 | @megabyte |
| 11:13.35 | AStorm | have that |
| 11:13.43 | megabyte405 | and it doesn't work? |
| 11:13.54 | megabyte405 | then you have the wrong ogg support package |
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| 11:14.27 | AStorm | maybe |
| 11:15.14 | AStorm | let me tell you which one |
| 11:15.40 | qwerty12 | solmumaha: "There is partial, but â |
| 11:15.41 | qwerty12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.57 | AStorm | Thomas Kulve's repo |
| 11:16.13 | megabyte405 | AStorm: sorry, but that won't help. I got OGG stuff working really easily a long time ago, and so I have no idea how I did it |
| 11:16.16 | AStorm | and that doesn't work for canola2 |
| 11:16.33 | megabyte405 | Pretty sure I just picked Ogg Support from either Maemo Garage or Maemo Downloads |
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| 11:16.33 | AStorm | check from which repo |
| 11:16.42 | megabyte405 | I tend not to futz with my repos |
| 11:16.42 | AStorm | probably that one |
| 11:16.48 | |zeus| | morning |
| 11:16.48 | |zeus| | i have strange problem with new n810 |
| 11:16.55 | qwerty12 | morning |
| 11:17.01 | |zeus| | package manager wants release.gpg files |
| 11:17.02 | AStorm | use less pipe chars in nick |
| 11:17.20 | |zeus| | but it can't fetch it from pre-installed repos |
| 11:17.23 | AStorm | easier to type :P |
| 11:17.55 | megabyte405 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.56 | AStorm | zeus: reflash with newer OS2008 |
| 11:18.18 | AStorm | megabyte405: I have them for chinook |
| 11:18.31 | |zeus| | AStorm: already reflashed |
| 11:18.35 | |zeus| | same problem |
| 11:18.37 | AStorm | hmmm |
| 11:18.37 | megabyte405 | AStorm: like I said, no idea, can't help then. Was jsut offering my experience |
| 11:18.56 | AStorm | worked here... might be your onnection or proxy |
| 11:19.15 | |zeus| | 2.2007.51-3 |
| 11:19.35 | AStorm | zeus, same here |
| 11:19.45 | |zeus| | i can't find release.gpg files in repos manual using firefox too |
| 11:19.48 | AStorm | megabyte405: thanks anyway |
| 11:19.57 | megabyte405 | np |
| 11:20.00 | |zeus| | AStorm: which repos are you using? |
| 11:20.05 | christefano | okay, so I take it nobody has been using bookmarklets with microb? |
| 11:21.23 | AStorm | zeus, worked with default ones |
| 11:21.50 | AStorm | chris___: well, maybe some shortcut? |
| 11:22.14 | AStorm | christefano: ^ |
| 11:22.50 | |zeus| | AStorm: and it doesn't want Release.gpg? |
| 11:23.01 | christefano | AStorm: in particular I'm looking for a way to use http://supergenpass.com |
| 11:23.16 | AStorm | zeus, no errors |
| 11:24.49 | pupnik | zeus, go vegetarian! |
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| 11:29.45 | pupnik | stares blankly at unfinished projects |
| 11:30.25 | AStorm | hmm, mogg doesn't want to install |
| 11:30.29 | AStorm | missing pkgs |
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| 11:30.51 | qwerty12 | You need all the debs from the garage page |
| 11:31.01 | qwerty12 | May just be easier to use dpkg on them |
| 11:31.49 | AStorm | which page? |
| 11:31.50 | pupnik | What's a good linux utility to generate fun characters like -> ³ |
| 11:32.27 | AStorm | gucharmap? |
| 11:32.32 | qwerty12 | AStorm:https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=130 |
| 11:32.44 | qwerty12 | check the mogg IT OS 2008 section |
| 11:32.46 | pH5 | I press AltGr+3 for that |
| 11:33.42 | sp3000 | aww, no s-c-u... input on the tablet |
| 11:33.54 | sp3000 | granted that would be a bit cokebottlish |
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| 11:34.52 | AStorm | you can change the layout |
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| 11:35.23 | AStorm | funny that non-working mogg is in extras |
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| 11:39.58 | AStorm | mispelled repo lol |
| 11:40.45 | Italodance | OS 2008 is very stylish than os2007 |
| 11:41.31 | qwerty12 | I like the OS2007 default theme more though |
| 11:41.53 | qwerty12 | Actually, I have the OS2007 rootfs mounted on Ubuntu, may as well look around |
| 11:42.52 | Italodance | oh lol |
| 11:42.58 | AStorm | the OS2007 theme is available for 2008 |
| 11:43.02 | Italodance | it is another opinion |
| 11:43.08 | AStorm | calledc glasser afaicr |
| 11:43.51 | qwerty12 | AStorm: Ok, thanks, I'll look around :) |
| 11:44.37 | AStorm | in the defaukt install too |
| 11:44.47 | AStorm | default even |
| 11:45.04 | AStorm | need some ecc on typed text |
| 11:45.07 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:45.32 | qwerty12 | Oh my bad. sorry, I meant this theme: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1214/1026756333_bc3aabfeae.jpg |
| 11:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | You LIKE Adria?! |
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| 11:48.05 | qwerty12 | Hell yea, it's peng-a-leng :p |
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| 11:48.15 | qwerty12 | I just saw it now on my screen |
| 11:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | Every single bundled theme in every ITOS release prior to OS2008 sucked. |
| 11:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | Totally. |
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| 11:49.14 | qwerty12 | I never used OS2007, my N800 was flashed to OS2008 as soon as I recieved it. I just like it, I'm feeling nostalgic for something I haven't used :P |
| 11:49.38 | GeneralAntilles | shivers. |
| 11:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | The OS2006 themes were horrifying. |
| 11:49.54 | AStorm | heehe |
| 11:50.00 | GeneralAntilles | The OS2005 ones were at least mildly subdued. |
| 11:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | But OS2006 was a close cousin to some sort of primary color hell. |
| 11:50.48 | eichi | damn i have the IDEA preferences on the desktop and cant close the window now!!! |
| 11:50.51 | qwerty12 | counts me to be lucky I wasn't around then :p :D |
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| 11:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody has a Publix grocery store in their vicinity, they're selling a GE USB adaptor kit for $4 that has a Mini A to female A adaptor for host-mode. |
| 11:51.22 | pupnik | ty for the tip AStorm |
| 11:51.31 | AStorm | reboot for mogg needed... |
| 11:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Thank goodness for NuvoPearl and Plankton. |
| 11:51.35 | AStorm | brb |
| 11:51.56 | qwerty12 | googles publix |
| 11:52.07 | eichi | how can i close this windows now |
| 11:52.16 | qwerty12 | Have you tried back key? |
| 11:52.37 | eichi | lol thats it, thanks |
| 11:52.49 | qwerty12 | hehe, it worked, I've never used IDEA :p :D |
| 11:53.12 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, best grocery store evar. |
| 11:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | They have randomly awesome deals on weird computer accessories. |
| 11:53.42 | qwerty12 | sniff, I don't think they will be in London :( |
| 11:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | Like 12' USB cables for $3 |
| 11:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | Or card readers for $8 |
| 11:53.57 | qwerty12 | Wow |
| 11:54.06 | qwerty12 | £1.50 is too cheap |
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| 11:57.05 | AStorm | no luck with canola |
| 11:57.57 | qwerty12 | AStorm: I think INdT are working on it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13668 |
| 11:58.18 | AStorm | "working" lol |
| 11:58.37 | AStorm | can't they just use gnome-vfs for file detection? |
| 11:59.02 | AStorm | or just try to read every file with gstreamer instead of being smartass? |
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| 12:01.49 | AStorm | probably reinstalling canola will help |
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| 12:11.10 | lopz | morning |
| 12:12.17 | AStorm | no, midday |
| 12:12.47 | keesj | middag |
| 12:13.03 | AStorm | woot, new beta of canola |
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| 12:14.24 | lcuk_2 | hates losing things |
| 12:16.11 | AStorm | then add rfids to them :P |
| 12:16.27 | AStorm | and some reader to your N8x0 |
| 12:18.13 | lcuk_2 | not a bad idea actually |
| 12:18.39 | lcuk_2 | the problem is - it was my 810 itself that went missing :S |
| 12:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | Fail. |
| 12:19.06 | aquatix | :) |
| 12:19.07 | lcuk_2 | not really, it was my missus |
| 12:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, sure. |
| 12:20.45 | lcuk_2 | yer i leave it plugged in last thing every night next to the bed - it seems to have a mind of its own though and ends up on missuses side |
| 12:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | You need to buy her one. |
| 12:21.14 | lcuk_2 | shes got her own machine -its just not as portable as this one |
| 12:22.32 | AStorm | mwhaha |
| 12:22.49 | AStorm | yeah , Nokias are attracted to women |
| 12:22.55 | AStorm | work like magnets |
| 12:22.57 | lcuk_2 | . o O ( how do i make a cradle for a desktop with a crt ? ) |
| 12:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe not like magnets. |
| 12:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | My 770 only got me one number. :P |
| 12:23.32 | AStorm | no no |
| 12:23.41 | AStorm | the Ns are attracted |
| 12:23.42 | lcuk_2 | yer and that was flirt or divert |
| 12:23.48 | AStorm | not the girls to you |
| 12:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | :P, lcuk_2. |
| 12:24.33 | christefano | how is tab completion |
| 12:24.39 | christefano | turned on in the terminal? |
| 12:24.49 | lcuk_2 | nokias are like little children - they need constant attention and teaching and automatically home into the breast |
| 12:25.04 | lcuk_2 | os2008 console does completion |
| 12:25.05 | AStorm | hahaha |
| 12:26.49 | christefano | hey, it does. I wonder why it wasn't working before |
| 12:28.02 | lcuk_2 | completion is a bit funny sometimes (or so i think) it wont complete things you know are there until after you get past certain breaks |
| 12:28.07 | AStorm | still no ogg :/ |
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| 12:28.41 | christefano | ah. okay |
| 12:33.38 | AStorm | hmm, had anyone got vorbis working in canola? |
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| 12:48.42 | Cptnodegard | canola youtube plugin FTW |
| 12:51.46 | AStorm | that works |
| 12:51.57 | AStorm | but still no vorbis! |
| 12:52.03 | AStorm | i need it!!!11 |
| 12:52.07 | AStorm | :P |
| 12:54.42 | Cptnodegard | n800 has too crappy sound anyways so mp3 will do |
| 12:58.06 | Tama^2 | I doubt the choice of vorbis in this case had to do with quality |
| 12:58.35 | sxpert | Cptnodegard, the earbuds are pretty good |
| 12:59.34 | pupnik | fmopl synth on DSP would speed up dosbox 2x |
| 13:00.08 | pupnik | wish it were easier to do |
| 13:00.12 | AStorm | Cptnodegard: no, i won't be reencoding my collection |
| 13:00.22 | AStorm | and, earbuds are shit |
| 13:00.34 | AStorm | i have better phones |
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| 13:04.47 | Cptnodegard | i got a shitload of phones, doesnt help the fundamental fact its not as good as a dedicated mp3 player. unless you have somethign crappy like an ipod |
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| 13:07.50 | AStorm | nah, it's close to my irivier T20 |
| 13:08.02 | AStorm | and that has excellent sound quality |
| 13:09.48 | AStorm | about 90 dB dynamics, much less aliasiing than it too at freqs other than 44100 hz |
| 13:11.13 | Zic | hi, I've got the last Canola Beta 7 version with YouTube plugin, I want to save flash video in an other places of internal memory system, what can I do ? |
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| 13:12.15 | AStorm | use a symlink |
| 13:12.28 | AStorm | read the thread at ITT |
| 13:12.33 | Cptnodegard | i A/B'ed the n800 and my cowon d2 just this morning on beyerdynamic dt770 phones. the n800 isnt bad, but it lacks both soundstage, low frequency response and detail compared to the d2 |
| 13:13.35 | AStorm | C2 cheats :) |
| 13:13.46 | AStorm | check it vs real audio |
| 13:13.52 | AStorm | it has some dsp |
| 13:14.28 | AStorm | it indeed lacks a bit of dynamic range |
| 13:14.34 | AStorm | but that's all |
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| 13:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | prefers his Axiom bookshelves. |
| 13:15.16 | AStorm | hehe |
| 13:16.05 | Cptnodegard | if the d2 sounds better i dont care if it cheats :p it was on flat EQ and no BBE enhancements |
| 13:16.17 | AStorm | low frequencies are all right here |
| 13:16.32 | AStorm | no changes, that is |
| 13:17.01 | AStorm | (ofc tested with my cheap HD497 on hans) |
| 13:17.08 | AStorm | *hand |
| 13:17.29 | Cptnodegard | i got a A/B switch, so i can connect two devices to the same headphones, play the same song simultaneousely and switch back and from. easier to detect differences that way |
| 13:18.47 | pupnik | bbe is still around? |
| 13:18.55 | pupnik | i bought their first sonix maximizer |
| 13:19.01 | AStorm | well, my switch is digital :) |
| 13:19.05 | Cptnodegard | i would love the n800 to sound as good as the alternative, but thats just not the case |
| 13:19.09 | Cptnodegard | yeah BBE is around |
| 13:19.12 | AStorm | hehe |
| 13:19.18 | Cptnodegard | cowon use their technology on mp3 players |
| 13:19.30 | AStorm | my aureon 7.1 space doesn't agree |
| 13:19.34 | pupnik | man i used to run everything through that thing |
| 13:19.55 | AStorm | tested vs best libmad, 24bit |
| 13:19.55 | Cptnodegard | did some RMA tests on bbe vs EQ and the results are rather happyface |
| 13:20.20 | AStorm | hm, RMA on N810 would be fun |
| 13:20.34 | AStorm | don't know how to do that though |
| 13:20.34 | Cptnodegard | indeed |
| 13:20.42 | pupnik | sorry what is RMA? |
| 13:20.50 | Cptnodegard | all you need is a sound card with line in, a cable, and the program |
| 13:20.54 | AStorm | RightMark Audio test |
| 13:21.04 | Cptnodegard | rightmark audio analyzer |
| 13:21.18 | pupnik | ty |
| 13:21.20 | AStorm | I have one... buthow to make N810 play the test? |
| 13:21.21 | Cptnodegard | it measure the frequency response of audio sources |
| 13:21.37 | Cptnodegard | RMA spits out some files (wav) that you put on the n810 |
| 13:21.39 | AStorm | and IMD, THD+N |
| 13:21.45 | AStorm | hmm :) |
| 13:22.18 | pupnik | so you didn't get horrid results from headphone jack? |
| 13:22.26 | AStorm | I'd expect about 90dB, no or slight IMD |
| 13:22.44 | Cptnodegard | im expecting some noticable crossover |
| 13:22.47 | pupnik | when i got my N810 i had a lot of distortion - like a broken speaker-cone in a telephone sound |
| 13:23.09 | Cptnodegard | some speakers cant deal with the 4 pin of the nokias, thats what cause distortion |
| 13:23.13 | pupnik | no, like CB radio sound |
| 13:23.18 | Cptnodegard | my logitech mm28 for instance |
| 13:23.19 | pupnik | hmm |
| 13:23.39 | AStorm | right, there's distortion if tghe volume is max |
| 13:23.42 | pupnik | now it's clear and i have no idea why |
| 13:23.48 | AStorm | haha |
| 13:23.54 | AStorm | maybe loose ground? |
| 13:24.23 | pupnik | well it was so bad that if i'd have paid full retail i would have returned it |
| 13:24.29 | pupnik | oh well. gone now |
| 13:25.50 | pupnik | i just discovered a file in my sources directory ... modified_raw_meat_for_transp_water_e3l1_t.zip |
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| 13:33.25 | unique311 | pupnik, how goes the project? |
| 13:33.44 | AStorm | ... sniff ... need vorbis |
| 13:34.40 | pupnik | uh playtesting is going well |
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| 14:17.28 | Italodance | :D |
| 14:18.25 | Italodance | i want max payne 1 2 please someone create it |
| 14:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | Convince them to compile it for ARM. |
| 14:20.17 | Italodance | yes too |
| 14:22.06 | lcuk_2 | ok, i want to try something |
| 14:22.19 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, are you around |
| 14:23.28 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, i know you have sounded interested, if you would send a pm with your mail address i will send you something to playwith |
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| 14:25.48 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, :) got it - i will mail you a test |
| 14:27.43 | lcuk_2 | any others whilst I am mailing out? |
| 14:29.22 | lcuk_2 | sent :) |
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| 14:37.03 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, did you get it? |
| 14:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, playing now. |
| 14:37.39 | lcuk_2 | :D so it runs? |
| 14:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 14:37.48 | lcuk_2 | brutal |
| 14:37.56 | GeneralAntilles | Framerate isn't as impressive as I was led to believe. :P |
| 14:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't seem to like sizes under 20pts |
| 14:38.45 | lcuk_2 | frame isnt drawn if you dont move - turn on the colorcube and it renders at fullspeed |
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| 14:39.38 | lcuk_2 | i only tested with a couple of fonts - its putting the widths onto a 4 pixel boundary so more noticable on proportional fonts |
| 14:40.15 | lcuk_2 | and since i read at 24 anyway its not a bother :P |
| 14:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't react to SIGINT |
| 14:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | Took me a little while to figure out how to make it dead. <_< |
| 14:41.19 | lcuk_2 | it says it on the first page |
| 14:41.28 | AStorm | canola youtube plugin needs "next page" for its search |
| 14:41.30 | lcuk_2 | what is sigint tho? ctrl c? |
| 14:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 14:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | What, the readme? |
| 14:41.54 | GeneralAntilles | Fuck dat sheet. |
| 14:41.59 | lcuk_2 | yer - also the default page thats displayed |
| 14:42.14 | AStorm | ? |
| 14:42.14 | lcuk_2 | if you ran the program with no params it shows that readme :) |
| 14:42.21 | lcuk_2 | on the first page it says how to escape |
| 14:42.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 14:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | I tried to run it without arguments first |
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| 14:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | but it chocked since the readme wasn't there. |
| 14:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | choked, even. |
| 14:43.09 | lcuk_2 | you just copied the file instead of extracting the archive |
| 14:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | My mail software is on the computer. :P |
| 14:43.33 | lcuk_2 | makes a note and puts readme into source |
| 14:43.51 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, it wont matter once you package it. |
| 14:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | Very interesting anyway. |
| 14:44.27 | lcuk_2 | its the start of me reading properly on my maemo :) |
| 14:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | I think it'll end up complementing FBReader rather than replacing it for me. |
| 14:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | still wants to setup a system to sync FBReader between multiple tablets. |
| 14:46.27 | lcuk_2 | puts a syncmasterfolder option in and ensures reading data is kept in sync ;) |
| 14:48.37 | lcuk_2 | right, if anyone else wants a look at liqreader pm me with your address and i'll send it out. im off for a while |
| 14:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, lcuk_2. |
| 14:48.56 | lcuk_2 | :) |
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| 14:50.58 | AStorm | hehe |
| 14:51.07 | AStorm | another rss reader? |
| 14:51.10 | Navi | lcuk_2 is so awesome |
| 14:51.29 | AStorm | check if it works with feeds from racjonalista.pl |
| 14:51.42 | AStorm | the default one doesn't like them |
| 14:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | RSS reader? <_< |
| 14:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 14:51.48 | AStorm | mhm |
| 14:51.55 | AStorm | so what is it? |
| 14:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's an ebook reader. :P |
| 14:52.02 | AStorm | yay |
| 14:52.22 | Navi | cool |
| 14:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting mostly because of the lack of tearing. |
| 14:53.49 | Navi | ooh |
| 14:53.51 | Navi | even better |
| 14:53.57 | Navi | gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme |
| 14:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | Autoscroll, too. |
| 14:54.18 | AStorm | whee! |
| 14:54.24 | AStorm | supports pdfs too? |
| 14:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, no. |
| 14:54.56 | lcuk_2 | hahaha it barely supports txt yet (i just noticed a bug..) |
| 14:55.04 | AStorm | heh |
| 14:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | PDFs are teh suck. |
| 14:55.15 | AStorm | but necessary suck |
| 14:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, I'd like to see you pull that off, though. |
| 14:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just for the hilarity factor. |
| 14:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | SDL PDFs . . . |
| 14:55.35 | AStorm | btw, i need a working rss reader |
| 14:55.41 | AStorm | any hints? |
| 14:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | 9 times out of 10 PDFs are used where they shouldn't be. |
| 14:55.47 | lcuk_2 | pdf is just flated text mainly in locations - if i can keep the number of fonts down its not outside the bnounds |
| 14:56.09 | GeneralAntilles | Good luck with that. :P |
| 14:56.12 | AStorm | not really |
| 14:56.16 | lcuk_2 | this thing can blit text anywhere rapidly |
| 14:56.25 | AStorm | it's often also gfx |
| 14:56.33 | AStorm | evince works fast |
| 14:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | The pictures will kill the framerate. |
| 14:56.45 | lcuk_2 | pictures are just big glyphs :) |
| 14:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta load them, though. |
| 14:57.02 | AStorm | (but the default one is better integrated) |
| 14:57.44 | lcuk_2 | digs out his old vb pdf parser |
| 14:57.51 | AStorm | harhar |
| 14:58.07 | AStorm | VB, now that's the real epitome of suck |
| 14:58.33 | AStorm | ok now, how to get canola to read vorbis? |
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| 15:11.10 | AStorm | i'm missing that ogg plugin |
| 15:11.33 | AStorm | the deb link at ITT is nvalid |
| 15:15.17 | AStorm | ah well |
| 15:15.29 | AStorm | should work with new ogg-support too |
| 15:16.44 | mgedmin | which one is better -- mogg or ogg-support |
| 15:16.46 | mgedmin | ? |
| 15:16.56 | mgedmin | hates having a keyboard with enter shaped like shift |
| 15:18.35 | AStorm | ogg-support should be faster |
| 15:18.41 | AStorm | but none works |
| 15:20.15 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 15:20.23 | AStorm | there are worse |
| 15:20.41 | AStorm | keyboards with small / key |
| 15:22.54 | Navi | none works? |
| 15:23.18 | mgedmin | I'm somehow not surprised |
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| 15:30.25 | AStorm | none, as they haven't updated canola scanner plugin yet... |
| 15:30.34 | AStorm | tbd in this week |
| 15:31.12 | mgedmin | hm |
| 15:31.13 | AStorm | what is the name of the improved mail app? |
| 15:31.21 | mgedmin | "works" and "works with canola" are different things |
| 15:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | Modest |
| 15:31.28 | mgedmin | AStorm: modest |
| 15:31.35 | AStorm | mhm |
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| 15:39.54 | lcuk | why does apple not love the f5 and f6 keys? |
| 15:40.12 | lcuk | all the others have additional icons, 5 and 6 are bare |
| 15:41.01 | mgedmin | reserved for future use ;) |
| 15:41.10 | Jaffa | :) |
| 15:42.15 | Jaffa | Anyone know of a Nokia car charger with a straight, rather than curly, cable? |
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| 15:45.18 | woodong50 | hi |
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| 15:48.07 | AStorm | how to bind evince to pdf file format? |
| 15:48.33 | AStorm | and modest to email notifier? |
| 15:50.11 | Jaffa | Fiddling around with mime types etc. |
| 15:50.20 | AStorm | where? |
| 15:50.35 | Jaffa | See freedesktop.org for details on the specs |
| 15:51.23 | AStorm | ok... |
| 15:51.40 | AStorm | no gui for that? (like rox-mime) |
| 15:51.56 | Jaffa | NAFAIK |
| 15:52.26 | AStorm | blah |
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| 16:01.04 | AStorm | brb |
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| 16:14.46 | AStorm | hmm, could someone pastebin me /usr/share/mime/packages/<something-with-email>.xml |
| 16:14.48 | AStorm | ? |
| 16:15.29 | mgedmin | from where? maemo, random desktop linux system? |
| 16:16.01 | Jaffa | AStorm: my N810 has no XML files under /usr/share/mime containing the text 'email' |
| 16:16.06 | AStorm | maemo |
| 16:16.10 | AStorm | no no |
| 16:16.23 | Jaffa | And there's no osso-email.xml under .../package/s |
| 16:16.24 | AStorm | it should have mailto inside |
| 16:16.33 | AStorm | grep for mail please |
| 16:16.45 | Jaffa | Nope. |
| 16:16.56 | Jaffa | grepped for 'email' cos osso-email's the default handler. |
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| 16:17.23 | AStorm | hmmm |
| 16:17.33 | AStorm | so where is that registered? |
| 16:18.16 | Jaffa | DBUS? |
| 16:18.40 | AStorm | bleh, more xml to hack |
| 16:22.08 | lcuk_2 | does every c program wanting sigterm ctrl c handling have to explicitely code it in? or is my program ignoring them because of something i am doing |
| 16:23.06 | AStorm | probably gtk main loop installs its own handler |
| 16:24.11 | lcuk_2 | its got init code for x and sdl and sdl_ttf and theres at least one atexit() but i would have thought it would still react and close the program |
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| 16:24.20 | lcuk_2 | (and xv) |
| 16:26.10 | AStorm | yep, it's the signal call |
| 16:26.26 | AStorm | and it's SIGINT, not SIGTERM |
| 16:27.09 | lcuk_2 | so if i remove the atexit the program should revert to complete default and just exit when ctrl c is pressed? |
| 16:29.13 | AStorm | no |
| 16:29.31 | AStorm | atexit has nothing to do with signals |
| 16:30.27 | lcuk_2 | ok - but how would i respond to ctrl c? is it something i have to explicitely do or does ssh handle it? |
| 16:30.45 | AStorm | by default it should close the app |
| 16:30.53 | AStorm | unless something handles it |
| 16:31.17 | AStorm | are you using signal? |
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| 16:31.20 | lcuk_2 | ive got no signal() calls in my code. |
| 16:31.25 | AStorm | hm |
| 16:31.33 | lcuk_2 | nor do i reference signal.h |
| 16:31.35 | AStorm | gtk/glib event loop? |
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| 16:32.12 | lcuk_2 | no, its x based, i call XNextEvent |
| 16:32.19 | AStorm | mhm |
| 16:32.27 | AStorm | ok, i've a q |
| 16:32.46 | AStorm | any good app to handle video and pic capture? |
| 16:32.51 | lcuk_2 | when i am running locally i get ctrl c keypresses, but over ssh it shouldnt come in as a key and should send a sig |
| 16:33.12 | AStorm | lcuk_2: depends on ssh client |
| 16:33.26 | lcuk_2 | ive not seen much - only basic camera app - the sensor is so substandard that its not pushed |
| 16:33.35 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:33.57 | AStorm | not so, standard webcam quality |
| 16:34.12 | lcuk_2 | yer, whats the n95 got? |
| 16:34.30 | qwerty12 | 5 MP afaik |
| 16:34.35 | AStorm | yep |
| 16:34.46 | lcuk_2 | "webcam" quality is substandard :) |
| 16:34.48 | AStorm | and this one is 1.5 or so |
| 16:34.57 | AStorm | lcuk_2: nope |
| 16:35.08 | AStorm | it's not a camera after all |
| 16:36.20 | lcuk_2 | n810 jack of all trades. |
| 16:36.47 | AStorm | nope |
| 16:37.04 | AStorm | it doesn't even have a tv out |
| 16:37.17 | AStorm | :P |
| 16:37.36 | lcuk_2 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ |
| 16:37.45 | AStorm | hahaha |
| 16:38.03 | lcuk_2 | its contrived but as near as you are gonna get |
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| 16:40.35 | AStorm | it's n800 |
| 16:41.00 | AStorm | n810 doesn't have video out |
| 16:41.10 | qwerty12 | So doesn't N800 |
| 16:41.19 | MangoFusion | 0_0 |
| 16:41.19 | AStorm | it has a dongle? |
| 16:41.19 | qwerty12 | In the nobounds, they demonstrate with N810 |
| 16:41.23 | qwerty12 | Yes |
| 16:41.25 | AStorm | hmm |
| 16:41.39 | AStorm | I want one for n810 |
| 16:41.45 | qwerty12 | They say N800 will be supported though (which is good for me) |
| 16:41.57 | lcuk_2 | one other thing on all the debunking i notice. all the apps are deffo windows programs - the xp titlebars are visible |
| 16:42.03 | lcuk_2 | its just mirroring |
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| 16:45.57 | AStorm | heh |
| 16:46.23 | AStorm | so, where do i get the host cable? |
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| 16:48.36 | lcuk_2 | you got one with the 810 |
| 16:48.51 | lcuk_2 | its a sync cable with a f<->f connector :) |
| 16:48.59 | lcuk_2 | host mode can be enabled with a command |
| 16:54.07 | AStorm | nope, it's said the cable needs a hardware tweak |
| 16:54.27 | AStorm | some wire to be shorted to the ground |
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| 16:56.15 | pH5 | AStorm: this is only needed to switch into host mode automatically. |
| 16:56.25 | AStorm | mhm |
| 16:56.25 | pH5 | as lcuk_2 said, you can enable host mode manually |
| 16:56.37 | AStorm | with a nice applet? |
| 16:56.51 | qwerty12 | usb-otg-plugin |
| 16:57.04 | qwerty12 | I actually updated the wiki page on this a bit at internet tablet talk |
| 16:57.31 | AStorm | mhm |
| 16:57.41 | AStorm | so i have to google for it |
| 16:58.22 | AStorm | any repo? |
| 16:58.37 | qwerty12 | Check this : http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 |
| 16:58.49 | qwerty12 | Look at link at end for applet |
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| 17:05.05 | AStorm | heh |
| 17:05.16 | Navi | pupnik, around? |
| 17:05.16 | AStorm | usbcontrol is heavy! |
| 17:05.34 | qwerty12 | lol you mean heavy as in great? |
| 17:05.51 | AStorm | no, as in large |
| 17:06.07 | qwerty12 | My bad, slang on the brain :P |
| 17:06.30 | qwerty12 | Brb, need to reboot into windows to use a vfat check that actually does something. |
| 17:06.36 | AStorm | lol |
| 17:07.24 | mgedmin | qwerty12 doesn't know about dosfsck -r |
| 17:07.42 | mgedmin | didn't know either until yesterday |
| 17:07.53 | mgedmin | had to study the fricking manual page |
| 17:08.13 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:08.21 | KotCzarny | isn't that what are man pages for? |
| 17:09.14 | mgedmin | perhaps, but it's rude to ask me questions "do you want to repair this" and then ignore the answers quietly because I didn't pass the -r option |
| 17:09.16 | mgedmin | rude, I say |
| 17:09.33 | KotCzarny | it may be a bug |
| 17:09.35 | KotCzarny | then |
| 17:09.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:09.37 | mgedmin | probably is |
| 17:09.49 | mgedmin | there's a though |
| 17:09.53 | AStorm | how do i disable xchat's tray? |
| 17:09.53 | mgedmin | perhaps I should report it |
| 17:09.54 | mgedmin | wow |
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| 17:10.57 | Italodance | USB.Safely.Remove.v3.3.1.617.Cracked-NoPE :D |
| 17:11.06 | Italodance | it's good for us yeah! |
| 17:11.16 | KotCzarny | nope, it isn't |
| 17:11.28 | Italodance | why? :I |
| 17:11.36 | KotCzarny | 50% chance it's a trojan |
| 17:11.50 | Italodance | lol |
| 17:12.42 | Italodance | no |
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| 17:16.15 | AStorm | hmm hmm |
| 17:16.43 | AStorm | usbnet mode hung the machine |
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| 17:18.59 | mgedmin | creates https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/205206 |
| 17:19.08 | qwerty12 | mgedmin: "qwerty12 doesn't know about dosfsck -r". Now, I do, thanks!. I was using fsck.vfat |
| 17:19.19 | mgedmin | I think it's the same thing |
| 17:19.23 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 17:19.33 | KotCzarny | fsck.* are usually symlinks |
| 17:19.37 | mgedmin | yup, symlink |
| 17:19.53 | qwerty12 | Lol, I'm useless :D. I can't believe I went into windows :( |
| 17:20.09 | mgedmin | in my opinion it's a bug in dosfsck rather than a bug in you :) |
| 17:20.32 | mgedmin | I was very surprised yesterday when I ran dosfsck twice and it showed me the exact same errors on the second run |
| 17:20.55 | qwerty12 | Thanks :D, I ran it 3 times and I got the same errors each time. I didn't look really closly though. |
| 17:21.02 | KotCzarny | mgedmin: otoh maybe they're just cautious |
| 17:21.15 | mgedmin | I'm not objecting to not repairing stuff by default |
| 17:21.30 | mgedmin | I'm objecting to the pretending to do the repairs without giving any useful information to the user |
| 17:21.50 | KotCzarny | i agree to this one |
| 17:21.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:22.11 | qwerty12 | I agree with mgedmin, I think its quite good behaviour but it should tell you that nothing was repaired and you should run it with -r option. |
| 17:23.02 | AStorm | hmm, broken openssh update |
| 17:23.23 | qwerty12 | openssh is always breaking for me with updates |
| 17:23.28 | qwerty12 | I just remove and re install now. |
| 17:23.32 | AStorm | interdeps, all 3 pkgs need simultaneous update |
| 17:24.04 | qwerty12 | You can use apt-get upgrade but its easier (better?) to remove and reinstall imho |
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| 17:28.42 | AStorm | ok then |
| 17:30.49 | Cptnodegard | lol i made some comparison pics between itouch/iphone and n8x0, resolution wise |
| 17:30.56 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 17:31.01 | Cptnodegard | fullscreen itouch fitsin smallscreen canola |
| 17:31.08 | AStorm | iFoo loses |
| 17:31.20 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/youtube-browsing.jpg |
| 17:31.23 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/youtube-playback.jpg |
| 17:31.40 | qwerty12 | Lol in my work experience my friend went into o2 store to play with iphone and he searched for redtube and the lady there saw him :D |
| 17:31.54 | Cptnodegard | redtube? |
| 17:32.00 | qwerty12 | Dont search for it |
| 17:32.06 | Cptnodegard | what is it? |
| 17:32.12 | qwerty12 | xxx tube... |
| 17:32.20 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 17:32.32 | Cptnodegard | thgouth that was porno tube or something |
| 17:32.43 | qwerty12 | theres redtube as well lol |
| 17:33.36 | Cptnodegard | horny people and their websites -.- |
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| 17:34.48 | mgedmin | please don't make me install canola again! |
| 17:34.56 | Cptnodegard | oh? |
| 17:34.57 | mgedmin | I will be strong! I will avoid closed-source software! |
| 17:35.03 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 17:35.04 | mgedmin | I didn't buy an iphone, after all |
| 17:35.05 | KotCzarny | canola is closed source? |
| 17:35.09 | qwerty12 | canolad is oss :P |
| 17:35.17 | mgedmin | what? |
| 17:35.25 | mgedmin | since when? |
| 17:35.36 | Cptnodegard | september 1536 |
| 17:35.41 | mgedmin | that's the greatest news since os2008 got released, if true |
| 17:36.08 | qwerty12 | I'm joking about, canolad is one of the bits that make up canola. canola is not oss itself tho |
| 17:36.09 | qwerty12 | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/developer.html |
| 17:36.14 | Cptnodegard | i wouldnt be able to do anything with the source anyways so doesnt bother me |
| 17:36.23 | qwerty12 | lol same here :D |
| 17:36.39 | qwerty12 | If something compiles in scratchbox without any modification, then I'm happy :p |
| 17:36.54 | mgedmin | ah, I thought it was a typo |
| 17:37.09 | Cptnodegard | if the release thread is without any trace of "just do this in xterm"-quotes then im happy :p |
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| 17:37.47 | qwerty12 | mgedmin: I see what you mean, a and d are close. Cptnodegard: Lol, I don't mind xterm :P |
| 17:38.16 | Cptnodegard | i have no linux experience whatsoever |
| 17:38.26 | Cptnodegard | most threads on itt gives me a headache |
| 17:39.01 | Cptnodegard | looks like someone whacked the keyboard repeatedly in to the wall and posted the resulting symbols |
| 17:39.06 | Cptnodegard | :D |
| 17:39.10 | qwerty12 | I actually hadn't touched Linux in years but I'm amazed at what I know |
| 17:39.11 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 17:40.44 | qwerty12 | openssh is still installing... :@ |
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| 17:56.12 | AStorm | how can i downgrade mplayer? |
| 17:56.28 | KotCzarny | install manually older package? |
| 17:56.31 | qwerty12 | remove it and reinstall old one from deb |
| 17:56.39 | AStorm | yeah right |
| 17:56.45 | KotCzarny | or just extract binary and put it in /usr/local/bin |
| 17:56.45 | qwerty12 | I actually keep 24 & 26 on my N800 |
| 17:56.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:56.52 | AStorm | but where do i get the deb from |
| 17:56.55 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:57.00 | KotCzarny | that's a newbie question |
| 17:57.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:57.06 | KotCzarny | from repo of course |
| 17:57.07 | AStorm | yeah |
| 17:57.13 | AStorm | path? |
| 17:57.27 | AStorm | dist/chinook/what? |
| 17:58.33 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/ |
| 17:58.52 | KotCzarny | you can also try package authors homepage |
| 17:58.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:58.55 | AStorm | mhm |
| 17:59.46 | KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54 |
| 18:02.08 | AStorm | hope the port the patch to the new one |
| 18:02.19 | KotCzarny | but there's no .26 yet |
| 18:02.22 | AStorm | (integer flv decode) |
| 18:02.23 | KotCzarny | in that dir |
| 18:02.30 | AStorm | in testing |
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| 18:21.21 | Gepsu | hi, what is the easiest way to update the content of a container? |
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| 20:20.46 | drwx | hi |
| 20:21.21 | drwx | I'm trying canola youtube plugin it's amazing |
| 20:22.12 | drwx | but do you know if it is possible to save youtube video on a mmc and not on the 256mo internal memory? |
| 20:23.31 | MangoFusion | technically you could save onto a mmc if you booted off of one |
| 20:23.49 | KotCzarny | if it saves them to some dir, just make a symlink? |
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| 20:24.04 | MangoFusion | or for a slightly more sane approach, perhaps you could symlink the directory where the YT videos are stored to a directory on your mmc? |
| 20:24.08 | MangoFusion | yes |
| 20:24.37 | drwx | good idea |
| 20:25.44 | drwx | thank you ;-) |
| 20:25.47 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:26.03 | lcuk_2 | thats a workaround not a solution ;) might be an idea to mention somewhere on the official list if there is one - that way the devs can see if theres a real need |
| 20:26.18 | drwx | true |
| 20:26.35 | KotCzarny | they should watch #maemo then! |
| 20:26.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:26.37 | lcuk_2 | doesnt mind workarounds tho |
| 20:27.01 | drwx | I think there is a real need because 256mo is not much for all the youtube videos... |
| 20:27.19 | KotCzarny | maybe they're developing on n810 |
| 20:27.30 | lcuk_2 | and if something happens to the internal memory then you are done for |
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| 20:28.01 | Grackle | My N800 should arrive on Monday. ^_^ |
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| 20:28.21 | lcuk_2 | lost in the post? it should be an 810 nowadays :P |
| 20:28.26 | drwx | I have a N800 and a N810 |
| 20:28.29 | Grackle | I have a 770, but I realized how much better the N800 was and ordered one before the 770 even got here. |
| 20:28.36 | KotCzarny | 810 is inferior to 800 |
| 20:28.37 | KotCzarny | imo |
| 20:28.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:28.57 | drwx | no I have both, and N810 is better |
| 20:28.57 | Grackle | I would like the screen and keyboard of the 810, but I don't really have that kind of money. |
| 20:29.05 | lcuk_2 | 810 extensions are inferior to 800 + extensions. but style is everything and the 810 looks better |
| 20:29.20 | KotCzarny | 810 only has better looks and hw kb |
| 20:29.24 | Grackle | Extensions? |
| 20:29.30 | lcuk_2 | yer - part time keyboard :) |
| 20:29.32 | lcuk_2 | gps |
| 20:29.34 | KotCzarny | everything else is worse |
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| 20:29.47 | Grackle | The 810 has a sunlight viewable screen too, doesn't it? |
| 20:30.05 | lcuk_2 | i dont know i dont take it out in the car cos gps takes so long to fix its not worth it |
| 20:30.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:30.18 | lcuk_2 | if i set it going before i go to work i am there before its connected |
| 20:30.27 | lcuk_2 | (30min drive) |
| 20:30.27 | Grackle | haha :| |
| 20:30.34 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:30.42 | KotCzarny | and wbt-210 is only 95$ |
| 20:30.43 | lcuk_2 | its embarrassing |
| 20:30.47 | KotCzarny | and has ~1-3sec fix |
| 20:30.50 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:30.50 | Grackle | That's unfortunate. |
| 20:30.54 | Grackle | hah |
| 20:31.01 | KotCzarny | and <2.5m resolution |
| 20:31.06 | KotCzarny | (: |
| 20:31.09 | lcuk_2 | 810 can re-fix in a few seconds as well, its just that first time is a bitch - its like the 40year old virgin |
| 20:31.30 | KotCzarny | probably software fixable.. |
| 20:31.33 | KotCzarny | or maybe not |
| 20:31.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:31.37 | Grackle | Shouldn't the first time be really quick then? |
| 20:31.42 | lcuk_2 | btw kot, pm me your addy and i will let you try a playtest :) |
| 20:31.54 | KotCzarny | i'm not registered :) |
| 20:32.03 | KotCzarny | tjosko at yahoo dot com |
| 20:32.13 | lcuk_2 | :) |
| 20:32.48 | lcuk_2 | its a very rough playtest |
| 20:33.12 | Grackle | Oh, does anyone have an N800 camera photo that I could see? I'm just curious about the quality.. I've played with tiny/cheap webcams before, and a lot of them suck pretty hard. |
| 20:33.22 | KotCzarny | grackle: it's bad |
| 20:33.28 | KotCzarny | i can show you .avi of it |
| 20:33.49 | MangoFusion | n800 camera == euuuurrgh!!! |
| 20:33.54 | Grackle | Ah well don't go out of your way to do it, I suppose that's good enough. |
| 20:33.59 | Grackle | hah :| |
| 20:34.16 | KotCzarny | you meant, 'bad enough' |
| 20:34.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:34.23 | Grackle | yeah.. |
| 20:34.32 | KotCzarny | imagine first cellphone cameras |
| 20:34.39 | KotCzarny | it's something like that |
| 20:34.40 | MangoFusion | though then again if all you are doing is letting other people see your mugshot, then it's not so bad |
| 20:35.08 | KotCzarny | bah. what i am saying |
| 20:35.17 | KotCzarny | even recent moto razr is bad. |
| 20:35.38 | lcuk_2 | i want to use cam to register liqreader users ;) |
| 20:36.03 | KotCzarny | luckily n800 camera is hidden by default |
| 20:36.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:36.17 | Grackle | haha |
| 20:36.22 | wazd | well, n800 cam is good on bright light :) |
| 20:36.22 | lcuk_2 | its not gonna take automatically (that will be my security program though) |
| 20:36.26 | KotCzarny | (another 810 inferiority ;) |
| 20:36.33 | Grackle | :P |
| 20:36.38 | lcuk_2 | use a sticker over camera |
| 20:36.45 | Grackle | haha |
| 20:36.47 | lcuk_2 | ive got one already over my ambient sensor |
| 20:36.54 | KotCzarny | and loose 'chic advantage' of your n810? |
| 20:36.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:37.02 | wazd | And in the dark light every mobile camera suck SLR's )) |
| 20:37.03 | Grackle | Yes, a sticker that says "Nope, no crappy webcams here!" |
| 20:37.11 | KotCzarny | then you can have 800 as well |
| 20:37.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:37.15 | lcuk_2 | nahh i gain a "well done" sticker (from my youngest) |
| 20:37.28 | lcuk_2 | its got a smiley and everythin :D |
| 20:37.39 | KotCzarny | yeeeah, sure |
| 20:37.43 | KotCzarny | but it's still a 'patch' |
| 20:37.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:37.44 | Grackle | Have you guys tried poky linux on the IT? |
| 20:37.55 | wazd | today I had a bad thing and dropped my n800 to the floor |
| 20:37.59 | lcuk_2 | lol @ patch |
| 20:38.00 | Grackle | yikes |
| 20:38.03 | lcuk_2 | pokey linux? |
| 20:38.12 | Grackle | http://pokylinux.org/ |
| 20:38.26 | KotCzarny | wazd: last time they checked it wasn't functional |
| 20:38.34 | KotCzarny | i mean no connectivity etc. |
| 20:38.37 | KotCzarny | no pm too |
| 20:38.50 | Grackle | The internet tablet version is very in-development, but what's there is very nice. |
| 20:39.00 | smackpotato | the 810 has an awsume screen |
| 20:39.17 | Grackle | The interface is much better than openmoko/hildon, from a usability standpoint anyway. |
| 20:39.25 | lcuk_2 | its touch sensitivity is lacking though - everyone wants to use finger to touch and slide |
| 20:39.40 | wazd | KotCzarny: who? where? how much?) |
| 20:39.42 | lcuk_2 | you kind of press and judder |
| 20:39.56 | KotCzarny | wazd: google for irclogs |
| 20:39.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:40.08 | Grackle | lcuk_2: poky or the n810? Who's talking to who? *is confused* |
| 20:40.26 | Grackle | Because I did notice that the touch sensitivity in poky is rather low. |
| 20:40.31 | lcuk_2 | im on about the touch on the actual device - it doesnt matter which os is controlling it - its just not sensitive enough |
| 20:40.52 | lcuk_2 | ipod has true glass screen and works well |
| 20:40.59 | lcuk_2 | (but needs finger) |
| 20:41.11 | lcuk_2 | this is a stylus controlled screen which is a bit of a shame |
| 20:41.16 | Grackle | Ah. My comment was referring to poky on the 770. Sensitivity threshold is too high. |
| 20:41.51 | Grackle | ipod is multitouch, too. |
| 20:41.57 | Grackle | would like a multitouch display |
| 20:41.58 | lcuk_2 | and low res |
| 20:42.04 | Grackle | yeah, much lower |
| 20:42.05 | smackpotato | im talking to the chanel conversation in general but am 5 minutes behind the conversation. Im slow of thinking |
| 20:42.45 | lcuk_2 | my brain gets lag sometimes - most often caused by intake of beer |
| 20:43.01 | KotCzarny | lcuk: where's the source? |
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| 20:43.23 | lcuk_2 | on my drive |
| 20:43.26 | wazd | awww, multitouch!) Now you can pinch your fotos!) |
| 20:43.48 | wazd | I think we need capacitive touchscreen but not multitouch itself :) |
| 20:44.14 | smackpotato | im sure the 810 has a glass screen its not scratching as much as my 700 |
| 20:44.21 | Grackle | wazd: It's noticeable when using both thumbs on the screen (for instance when typing with thumbs) |
| 20:44.33 | lcuk_2 | smack - it doesnt |
| 20:44.38 | Grackle | A multitouch screen would handle my large mashing thumbs better |
| 20:44.39 | lcuk_2 | glass doesnt flex |
| 20:44.44 | smackpotato | who knew |
| 20:44.45 | lcuk_2 | (as much) |
| 20:44.46 | bilboed | multitouch on the iphone is not multitouch, it's area-touch (it only recognizes the rectangular area where all your fingers are in) |
| 20:44.49 | glass | i'm pretty flexible |
| 20:44.53 | glass | (no i'm not) |
| 20:44.58 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 20:45.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:45.11 | Grackle | bilboed: Hm, that's interesting. Well, I would like that on the IT. :P |
| 20:45.32 | Grackle | Could that be done with the IT's hardware? |
| 20:45.37 | wazd | no) |
| 20:45.47 | wazd | It's capacitive touchscreen feature |
| 20:46.01 | Grackle | Ah. |
| 20:46.05 | wazd | IT haven't got it for now |
| 20:46.42 | KotCzarny | ./liqreader: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 |
| 20:46.44 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 20:46.47 | lcuk_2 | my old tablet had to use a powered stylus - i could lean on it and not intefere - i think a big touchscreen now would throw me off - try leaning on one corner of your 8x0 whilst using the other corner |
| 20:47.11 | KotCzarny | E: Couldn't find package libSDL_ttf |
| 20:47.17 | KotCzarny | (from apt-get) |
| 20:47.41 | Grackle | apt-cache search libsdl |
| 20:47.44 | lcuk_2 | :( thought all that was preinstalled? ahhh well at least i know to put it into an eventual package |
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| 20:47.47 | Grackle | Might be there, just not with that name. |
| 20:48.05 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:48.14 | KotCzarny | arm. it's libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
| 20:48.58 | Grackle | goes off to take a shower while bitbake runs |
| 20:49.32 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i like it |
| 20:49.39 | KotCzarny | can i get the source? |
| 20:50.09 | lcuk_2 | once i release it yes certainly |
| 20:50.25 | KotCzarny | when it will be? |
| 20:50.46 | lcuk_2 | takes a leaf out of duke nukems book. |
| 20:50.56 | lcuk_2 | hopefully soon as i get some webspace properly |
| 20:51.00 | KotCzarny | i can give you feature ide right now |
| 20:51.10 | KotCzarny | add finger-slide-multiplier |
| 20:51.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:51.35 | lcuk_2 | i did do - it felt awful though - mainly because i didnt have anything showing where in document you were |
| 20:51.37 | KotCzarny | right now it's tiresome a little |
| 20:52.48 | lcuk_2 | yer i know - theres lots i want to add to it - theres bugs in this one at present even now it just shows that fullscreen flicker free rendering can be done |
| 20:53.20 | KotCzarny | but i give it heads-up |
| 20:53.25 | KotCzarny | i like it |
| 20:53.25 | lcuk_2 | :D |
| 20:53.34 | KotCzarny | just don't overhildonize it |
| 20:53.45 | KotCzarny | so it could be easily ported to regular linux too |
| 20:53.47 | lcuk_2 | im seriously under hildonized at present |
| 20:53.54 | lcuk_2 | yes i know |
| 20:54.00 | KotCzarny | make it optional |
| 20:54.23 | KotCzarny | i would love good reader on my laptop too |
| 20:54.24 | lcuk_2 | it needs to be usable and play nice in both fullscreen and windowed but beyond that theres nothing specifically hildon |
| 20:54.24 | wazd | "Overhildonizer" ) |
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| 20:54.33 | wazd | Sounds like blockbuster) |
| 20:54.50 | smackpotato | here is a random question, the core cursor shows up by commenting out the blurb about the transparent theme, so in gtk setting cusor-theme-name will i get the core cursor, and will it happen immediatly or next boot |
| 20:55.14 | KotCzarny | potato: probably after wm restart |
| 20:55.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:55.16 | lcuk_2 | have you considered isolo through WINE ? |
| 20:55.24 | lcuk_2 | im not sure how it would go.. |
| 20:55.27 | KotCzarny | wine is too big |
| 20:55.30 | smackpotato | tx |
| 20:56.01 | lcuk_2 | have you seen the colorcube? |
| 20:56.04 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:56.07 | KotCzarny | works ok |
| 20:56.22 | lcuk_2 | first attempt at seeing how all 3 planes operate |
| 20:56.22 | KotCzarny | fps ~9-11 |
| 20:56.30 | lcuk_2 | o rly? |
| 20:56.39 | lcuk_2 | stable 26/27 solid? |
| 20:56.44 | lcuk_2 | it shouldnt clock down |
| 20:56.46 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:56.51 | lcuk_2 | thats odd.. |
| 20:56.58 | KotCzarny | add an option for fps to be printed out on stdout |
| 20:57.01 | lcuk_2 | are you running on a lower cpu setting? |
| 20:57.04 | KotCzarny | then i can print you the stats |
| 20:57.15 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it's running on default |
| 20:57.18 | lcuk_2 | hmm did i remove that from the log |
| 20:57.36 | KotCzarny | so pm kicks in probably |
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| 20:57.57 | KotCzarny | also handle ctrl-c |
| 20:57.58 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 20:59.56 | KotCzarny | btw. don't disable pm, i would prefer some tearing to battery drain |
| 21:00.18 | lcuk_2 | doh! //app_log("Main loop complete: %i frames, average fps %f\n",framecount,app_fps(tzs,tz0,framecount)); |
| 21:00.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:00.31 | lcuk_2 | pm? |
| 21:00.37 | KotCzarny | power management |
| 21:00.39 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.42 | lcuk_2 | i dont do anything with it |
| 21:00.56 | lcuk_2 | and when not showing the cube it only renders a frame after it detects a mouse eevent |
| 21:01.01 | KotCzarny | i remember you saying something about keeping cpu at 100% |
| 21:01.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:01.03 | lcuk_2 | ie its not going like the clappers |
| 21:01.08 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 21:01.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:01.13 | lcuk_2 | you can see that by using -fpsshow |
| 21:01.17 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:01.47 | lcuk_2 | i call into XNextEvent and wait patiently for an event to come |
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| 21:02.47 | lcuk_2 | i asked about this ctrl c thing earlier - in the normal flow of things would a program have to explicitely register ctrl c handler, or is reader doing something it shouldnt |
| 21:02.54 | lcuk_2 | (i couldnt get a straight answer earlier) |
| 21:03.11 | KotCzarny | it should register a signal i think |
| 21:03.16 | KotCzarny | otherwise it will be ignored |
| 21:03.33 | lcuk_2 | right - thats why im not capturing anything - im used to it being handled automatically |
| 21:03.41 | lcuk_2 | ill put a capture trap in later on then |
| 21:03.49 | KotCzarny | it's a 2 liner anyway |
| 21:03.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.16 | lcuk_2 | which is best host for applications? it should have svn type things and management etc |
| 21:04.28 | lcuk_2 | is thinking of sourceforge but theres gotta be others |
| 21:04.33 | KotCzarny | if the project is small... |
| 21:04.45 | KotCzarny | just keep current .tar.gz of the sources |
| 21:04.48 | skibur | anybody installed ettercap? on the n800? i can't find the executable. |
| 21:05.09 | lcuk_2 | its just zipped up at present |
| 21:05.41 | lcuk_2 | a whopping 23k! ;) |
| 21:05.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:05.53 | lcuk_2 | sorry - 60k :P that was old one |
| 21:05.53 | KotCzarny | small but functional |
| 21:05.58 | qwerty12_N800 | skibur: search internet tablet talk, some 1 has ng afair |
| 21:06.10 | skibur | ok |
| 21:06.21 | qwerty12_N800 | *Afaicr |
| 21:06.32 | skibur | i gotcha |
| 21:08.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, i like to correct myself :p |
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| 21:12.55 | KotCzarny | lcuk: just run a thttpd off some dir and send a link |
| 21:12.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:13.16 | KotCzarny | saving from webmail requires so many click |
| 21:13.18 | KotCzarny | s |
| 21:13.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:13.35 | lcuk_2 | since im on a windows box thats a hell of a lot of faffing |
| 21:13.42 | lcuk_2 | ill get there.. |
| 21:13.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:13.59 | KotCzarny | i believe thttpd compiles under cygwin |
| 21:14.05 | KotCzarny | if you want an .exe.. ;) |
| 21:14.22 | lcuk_2 | actually i think ive got ftp server somewhere around already setup |
| 21:14.27 | KotCzarny | nah. |
| 21:14.29 | KotCzarny | thttpd. |
| 21:14.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:14.50 | KotCzarny | ftp doesn't play nice behind firewall |
| 21:14.53 | lcuk_2 | :D i could use the vb webserver thats around |
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| 21:17.03 | |zeus| | hm. what pacakge should i install to get dmesg on n810? |
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| 21:17.17 | KotCzarny | none, i believe it's already there |
| 21:17.18 | lcuk_2 | its already included ? |
| 21:17.20 | KotCzarny | (via busybox) |
| 21:17.40 | qwerty12_N800 | I thought it was standard linux anyway? |
| 21:17.42 | skibur | is svn available for n800? |
| 21:18.03 | KotCzarny | qwerty: standard as long you don't use busybox |
| 21:18.04 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:18.39 | qwerty12_N800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.43 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 21:19.32 | |zeus| | oh yea |
| 21:19.37 | |zeus| | it here |
| 21:19.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Btw, anybody know any proper irc client for chinook? Rtcomm beta wont work with irc for me and pidgin is a bit slow |
| 21:19.49 | |zeus| | but it doesn't recognize my minisd |
| 21:19.51 | |zeus| | at all |
| 21:19.55 | |zeus| | o_O |
| 21:20.01 | KotCzarny | qwerty: irssi? |
| 21:20.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:20.06 | |zeus| | even dmesg doesn't say anything |
| 21:20.27 | KotCzarny | zeus: connect usb cable and check on pc? |
| 21:20.43 | KotCzarny | it should at least export device, maybe partition table is b0rken |
| 21:20.51 | KotCzarny | or fs itself |
| 21:21.27 | |zeus| | KotCzarny: even _dmesg_ doesn't say anything |
| 21:21.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Does dmesg by default? |
| 21:22.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Kernel has options for mmc debug |
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| 21:22.26 | qwerty12_N800 | I posted a kernel for someone else with it compiled |
| 21:23.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk: 17:24:04 Main loop complete: 194 frames, average fps 9.317964 |
| 21:23.55 | KotCzarny | with colorcube |
| 21:25.31 | lcuk_2 | humm |
| 21:25.35 | KotCzarny | also you should add some error handling |
| 21:25.44 | KotCzarny | i had to kill -9 it after: Xlib: sequence lost (0x101cf > 0x1d0) in reply type 0x5d! |
| 21:25.51 | KotCzarny | my wifi is abused a little now |
| 21:26.16 | lcuk_2 | humm indeed |
| 21:26.20 | lcuk_2 | you on 800? |
| 21:26.23 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:26.48 | KotCzarny | 17:26:47 Main loop complete: 98 frames, average fps 8.602528 |
| 21:26.57 | KotCzarny | that's without colocube and with some scrolling |
| 21:27.21 | lcuk_2 | without cube it should never reach average fps very high - it sits idle for most of the time |
| 21:27.29 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:27.30 | lcuk_2 | but with it it really shouldnt be running slowly |
| 21:27.35 | KotCzarny | it sometimes shows ~27 |
| 21:28.27 | lcuk_2 | the only way i can force the slowness is to call: |
| 21:28.28 | lcuk_2 | echo powersave >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 21:28.42 | lcuk_2 | which is not the default governor option |
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| 21:28.51 | KotCzarny | default is 'null' |
| 21:28.59 | KotCzarny | which is similiar to conservative |
| 21:29.01 | lcuk_2 | default is ondemand |
| 21:29.11 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:29.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Kernel lists null too as def. |
| 21:29.37 | KotCzarny | or maybe you're right |
| 21:29.48 | KotCzarny | though i don't remember setting ondemand |
| 21:29.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Although I believe it runs ondemand |
| 21:31.20 | KotCzarny | anyone know if setting keylock is putting device in more aggressive pm or regular? |
| 21:32.02 | lcuk_2 | could some folks with 800s and 810s please just check their scaling_governor setting and report back. |
| 21:32.02 | lcuk_2 | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 21:32.06 | lcuk_2 | use that line ^ |
| 21:32.14 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 21:32.17 | KotCzarny | it lists ondemand |
| 21:32.30 | KotCzarny | but when you compile kernel it lists 'null' as default |
| 21:32.45 | lcuk_2 | ahh |
| 21:33.04 | KotCzarny | which isn't == 'no gov' but more like 'very conservative' |
| 21:34.15 | |zeus| | now it says something about "Setting voltage VMMC" |
| 21:34.28 | |zeus| | and then "Shut down VMMC" |
| 21:34.31 | |zeus| | =\ |
| 21:34.40 | lcuk_2 | actually during testing i got the following order (slowest running to fastest): powersave (slowest), ondemand (slow unless stroking), conservative/performance/null (tied same full speed) |
| 21:34.40 | qwerty12_N800 | In dmesg? |
| 21:34.42 | KotCzarny | it's powersaving |
| 21:34.47 | |zeus| | yep |
| 21:34.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Standard kernel? |
| 21:35.21 | KotCzarny | zeus: it's just powersaving |
| 21:35.26 | KotCzarny | everyone has them |
| 21:35.28 | |zeus| | yep |
| 21:35.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.55 | |zeus| | trying to uderstood is sd reader on new n810 are dead or not |
| 21:36.10 | KotCzarny | do you have original sd card? |
| 21:36.20 | KotCzarny | my n800 came with 128mb card |
| 21:36.31 | lcuk_2 | 810 comes with a soldered on 2gb |
| 21:36.36 | lcuk_2 | and one slot |
| 21:36.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Kotczaeny, I dont get those msgs tho but I am usinng custom kernel |
| 21:36.40 | lcuk_2 | empty |
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| 21:36.52 | KotCzarny | 800 comes with soldered 256 and 128mb minisd + adapter |
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| 21:40.16 | lcuk_2 | :O i just realised that i was still on performance |
| 21:40.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:40.38 | lcuk_2 | after setting back to ondemand i reproduce.. |
| 21:40.59 | KotCzarny | 'realized' |
| 21:41.14 | KotCzarny | chocolate time, brb |
| 21:41.25 | lcuk_2 | yer my test script changes it one way, then changes it back |
| 21:41.40 | lcuk_2 | hmm |
| 21:42.14 | qwerty12_N800 | If scaling_governor line is changed; does scaling_min_freq change too? |
| 21:42.27 | KotCzarny | probably not |
| 21:42.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Ah, ok, thanks |
| 21:43.00 | qwerty12_N800 | I should combine those scripts i use... |
| 21:43.33 | KotCzarny | one day i will make status bar applet that will have them all! |
| 21:43.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:43.36 | lcuk_2 | hmmm, i might have to start doing garbage in my inner loop again - i cant have it doing that |
| 21:44.42 | qwerty12_N800 | @KotCz (hope u dont mind me shortening down, osk sux), cool :) |
| 21:44.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:45.04 | KotCzarny | you can short down to 'kot' |
| 21:45.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:45.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks :) |
| 21:45.44 | lcuk_2 | any idea what triggers the governor |
| 21:45.50 | KotCzarny | cpu usage |
| 21:46.03 | lcuk_2 | but i am trying to use the cpu at fullspeed |
| 21:46.15 | KotCzarny | then it's probably not enough |
| 21:46.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.21 | KotCzarny | just play some mp3s ;) |
| 21:46.24 | lcuk_2 | if i put extra code into the blit loop it forces it over and keeps up |
| 21:46.27 | lcuk_2 | but thats just stupid.. |
| 21:46.29 | KotCzarny | with gst and mp3task |
| 21:46.40 | KotCzarny | that way you won't eat cpu and set cpu to highest mode |
| 21:47.01 | lcuk_2 | i seem to recall thinking this way a while back - i dont want to have to run extra things just to get a loop faster |
| 21:47.06 | lcuk_2 | it will eat battery though |
| 21:47.20 | KotCzarny | it's only for testing |
| 21:47.22 | KotCzarny | isn't it? |
| 21:47.31 | KotCzarny | also people can play mp3s while reading |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 21:47.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:47.36 | KotCzarny | so can you |
| 21:47.47 | lcuk_2 | yer but i dont wanna have to say to see it smoothly you must stroke like you have hairy palms or change the governor |
| 21:47.48 | qwerty12_N800 | You could try echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq ; dunno if it would help though. |
| 21:48.03 | lcuk_2 | no, im not gonna tweak power saving settings for the whole device |
| 21:48.17 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i don't mind tearing |
| 21:48.20 | lcuk_2 | there must be a way to up my own thread priority - i can do it in vb ffs |
| 21:48.28 | lcuk_2 | its not tearing thats the issue |
| 21:48.31 | KotCzarny | usefullness is what i need |
| 21:48.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.35 | lcuk_2 | its VERY difficult to tear |
| 21:48.55 | lcuk_2 | i have to repeat the blit loop about 4 times before i can see tearing |
| 21:49.11 | |zeus| | brok miniSD card now :( |
| 21:49.19 | KotCzarny | lol? |
| 21:49.21 | KotCzarny | how? |
| 21:49.22 | lcuk_2 | then if i push it a bit more it just lowers the framerate a bit |
| 21:50.09 | lcuk_2 | fysa, are you knocking around ? |
| 21:50.23 | lcuk_2 | (when in doubt, pray to the gods) |
| 21:50.56 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk_2: not sure if this is what you are after, but it only seems for bora : http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/04/26/maemo-nicer/ |
| 21:52.35 | lcuk_2 | that might do it - but is there not something within the app itself which i can say (process.priority = high;) |
| 21:52.53 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:52.58 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 21:53.09 | KotCzarny | don't remember syntax though |
| 21:53.38 | KotCzarny | man setpriority |
| 21:53.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:53.55 | lcuk_2 | yer im just looking now - ive got the winapi version and finding linux refs |
| 21:54.52 | KotCzarny | but priority is not your problem i think |
| 21:55.32 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.15 | lcuk_2 | its worth a try, i dont see how when i run a flat out loop and try to go fast it doesnt identify it |
| 21:56.29 | KotCzarny | then you will probably need 'real time' priority |
| 21:56.30 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:56.48 | lcuk_2 | i know it can handle it properly - i might have to just include the extra code in my blit :( |
| 21:57.21 | lcuk_2 | int dummy = (x*y+x*y); *dummyin=dummy; |
| 21:57.48 | lcuk_2 | and bammo - the code runs faster - even though i am actually performing that equation thousands of times |
| 21:58.13 | KotCzarny | lcuk: just open mp3task |
| 21:58.18 | KotCzarny | you don't have to play anything |
| 21:58.21 | KotCzarny | just keep it open |
| 21:58.29 | KotCzarny | that will set cpu to highest mode |
| 22:00.31 | |zeus| | блÑÑÑ |
| 22:00.33 | |zeus| | sorry |
| 22:02.04 | lopz | re |
| 22:02.27 | lcuk_2 | where do i find info about mp3task - if its maemo specific theres certainly nothing about it (results page on google comes up with 3 entires to irc room) |
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| 22:02.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk: in gst sources? |
| 22:02.52 | KotCzarny | or mplayer? |
| 22:04.41 | lcuk_2 | hmm not sure - but even the dummy isnt working now - its been optimised out of existance i think |
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| 22:05.02 | lcuk_2 | recompiled without opts and its faster (but really its slower) |
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| 22:12.11 | qwerty12_N801 | grumbles, watchdog rebooted n800 |
| 22:12.48 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:17.57 | KotCzarny | 12. Wzrasta popyt na rowery. |
| 22:18.00 | KotCzarny | nie mam nic przeciwko |
| 22:18.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:18.31 | qwerty12_N801 | I dont speak Polska :p |
| 22:18.36 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 22:18.38 | KotCzarny | sorry |
| 22:18.41 | KotCzarny | wrong chan |
| 22:18.42 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:18.49 | qwerty12_N801 | Lol |
| 22:18.51 | KotCzarny | and it should be 'Polish' |
| 22:18.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:19.08 | qwerty12_N801 | My bad, sorry :) |
| 22:19.24 | Tama^2 | I do not dance PolkaU,u |
| 22:19.34 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 22:20.12 | qwerty12_N801 | What does cal-tool do exactly? Is it like flasher-3.0, letting you set device parameters? |
| 22:20.37 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:20.39 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny: I take it you are Polish then... how come you behave like the spelling police? :P |
| 22:20.45 | KotCzarny | isn't it for screen calibration |
| 22:20.46 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 22:21.14 | qwerty12_N801 | No its in initfs and fanoush uses it in initfs script |
| 22:21.27 | KotCzarny | tama: that's because if i track my errors, i can encourage others to point those errors that i miss |
| 22:21.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:21.37 | KotCzarny | ie. i will learn english |
| 22:22.26 | qwerty12_N801 | I thought u were from Czech Republic because of Cz lol |
| 22:22.27 | Tama^2 | translated you mean: I will be a pedantic bastard thus provoking others into rabidly pointing out my own mistakes |
| 22:22.40 | KotCzarny | tama: correct |
| 22:22.40 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:23.09 | KotCzarny | how can i learn if i don't correct my own errors? |
| 22:24.49 | unixSnob | any1 here from indiana? What a crock.. Indiana adds a tax penalty to taxpayers who owe on their taxes. Bastards. A penalty for being penalized |
| 22:24.59 | qwerty12_N801 | I need to fix my device lines. According to about, I have a n800 but <unknown> & <unknown>. I'm in the mood to mess around with my tablet. |
| 22:25.16 | KotCzarny | qwerty: reflash |
| 22:25.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:25.32 | qwerty12_N801 | I don't want to :( |
| 22:25.43 | KotCzarny | just kidding |
| 22:26.21 | qwerty12_N801 | Lol, I have it set up the way I like, applications, kernel & initfs :) |
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| 22:26.58 | qwerty12_N801 | Backup prog is useless at restoring appplication Lists |
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| 22:29.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Signal is weak in my room. |
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| 22:39.56 | qwerty12_N800 | I figured out how to run cal-tool . Pointless:/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool |
| 22:39.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Nothing to do! |
| 22:39.57 | qwerty12_N800 | Usage: cal-tool [OPTIONS] |
| 22:39.57 | qwerty12_N800 | Options: |
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| 22:41.02 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm gonna mess around with flasher-30.. Does kernel affect the about screen too? |
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| 23:06.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Good night, need some zzzzzz's.... |
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| 23:17.23 | lcuk_2 | kot - ive added a turbo option which sets the governor :) it can be disabled if required |
| 23:17.44 | lcuk_2 | until i speak to ppl regarding its use it gives simplest solution |
| 23:17.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:31.53 | lcuk_2 | KotCzarny, well - it works with ssh because im root, but normal user running from the console isnt root |
| 23:32.08 | lcuk_2 | governor is ro for user |
| 23:32.12 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:32.25 | KotCzarny | but one can create suid app that could switch them |
| 23:32.35 | lcuk_2 | its enough anyway- others will help - its an option now at least |
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| 23:36.40 | pupnik | < bilboed> multitouch on the iphone is not multitouch <<- sure? that would mean those emulators with onscreen controls would be pretty useless |
| 23:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | What? |
| 23:38.07 | bilboed | pupnik, with two fingers you can EASILY emulate multitouch |
| 23:38.14 | bilboed | pupnik, it create a rectangle area |
| 23:38.29 | GeneralAntilles | On what? |
| 23:38.40 | KotCzarny | bilboed: are you sure? |
| 23:38.43 | bilboed | on i-oh-my-god-do-I-hate-it-phone |
| 23:38.50 | bilboed | KotCzarny, positive |
| 23:38.58 | KotCzarny | but not on n8x0 screen, i believe |
| 23:39.00 | bilboed | nope |
| 23:39.05 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:39.05 | bilboed | different technology |
| 23:39.08 | pupnik | hmm. i guess you could do it - nevermind |
| 23:39.08 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:39.20 | Tama^2 | I am confused |
| 23:39.25 | GeneralAntilles | Emulate? |
| 23:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | So am I, Tama^2. |
| 23:39.40 | bilboed | ok, the software receives a rectangular area |
| 23:39.55 | bilboed | guess where the two fingers are ? in two of the corners of that rectangle |
| 23:40.00 | pupnik | with some button layouts, some combinations of buttons would yield identical rectangles |
| 23:40.05 | bilboed | yep |
| 23:40.10 | KotCzarny | bilboed: but how can you tell WHICH corners? |
| 23:40.28 | bilboed | because unless you're a robot, you'll never press the two corners at the same time |
| 23:40.34 | Tama^2 | bilboed: your idea is too simplistic i.e. it does not work |
| 23:40.36 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 23:40.52 | bilboed | Tama^2, hey dude, don't trust me, google for it |
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| 23:42.43 | kwan | I get the following error when i compile gstreamer using maemo sdk and copy over the libraries |
| 23:42.45 | kwan | gst-inspect-0.10[3079]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegvideoparse.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegvideoparse.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min |
| 23:42.58 | kwan | Lots of these pring out when I run gst-inspect |
| 23:43.02 | kwan | any ideas why? |
| 23:43.26 | bilboed | you need a debugging-enabled version of gstreamer |
| 23:43.41 | bilboed | the default version on the devices have debugging disabled |
| 23:43.48 | KotCzarny | mismatched packages? |
| 23:43.54 | kwan | i see, so can i compile debuggin disabled then? |
| 23:45.06 | kwan | i will try debugging disabled and see |
| 23:45.36 | bilboed | configure will pick it up from the gstreamer pkgconfig |
| 23:45.47 | bilboed | you most likely have the debugging version pkgconfig |
| 23:46.16 | bilboed | OR you can install the debugging version of gstreamer on the device |
| 23:46.17 | kwan | i copied /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gst* from maemo sdk (scratchbox) to the device |
| 23:46.32 | bilboed | it uses it at COMPILE time |
| 23:46.34 | bilboed | not at runtime |
| 23:46.46 | bilboed | you need to recompile against a debugging-disabled version of gstreamer |
| 23:47.08 | kwan | so when i compile gstreamer i do ./configure -disable-debug or something? |
| 23:48.02 | bilboed | --disable-gst-debug |
| 23:48.27 | kwan | ok |
| 23:48.28 | bilboed | but... I thought scratchbox had a properly configured gstreamer for that (with the same compile flags as on the device) |
| 23:48.56 | kwan | i got the latest gstreamer source and recompiled it |
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