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| 00:33.56 | lcuk_2 | should be out drinking |
| 00:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | But you aren't, are you? |
| 00:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | fail. |
| 00:34.24 | lcuk_2 | :( |
| 00:34.37 | lcuk_2 | i cant even drink at home tonight |
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| 00:34.46 | lcuk_2 | epic fail :( |
| 00:34.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:35.16 | lcuk_2 | wonders if GLaDOS will cheer him up |
| 00:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | She's mostly just depressing. |
| 00:36.12 | lcuk_2 | she says i can has cake though |
| 00:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | O_O |
| 00:36.43 | KotCzarny | 2grls1cake ? |
| 00:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | curls up in a fetal position and starts muttering something about a lie. |
| 00:37.01 | lcuk_2 | lol kot fortunately not |
| 00:37.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:37.43 | KotCzarny | talking about cake made me hungry |
| 00:37.46 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 00:38.34 | lcuk_2 | then go eat |
| 00:38.41 | lcuk_2 | or are you still asleep like before? |
| 00:39.04 | KotCzarny | i have had a shower |
| 00:39.13 | KotCzarny | i have to cool down a little |
| 00:39.24 | lcuk_2 | where abouts r u? |
| 00:39.42 | KotCzarny | western mnh |
| 00:39.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:40.01 | lcuk_2 | now i dont know whether thats a state or just a keybash |
| 00:40.28 | KotCzarny | if you treat manhattan as a state |
| 00:41.01 | lcuk_2 | not really its just you americans abreviate everything :P |
| 00:41.08 | KotCzarny | not american |
| 00:41.15 | lcuk_2 | livin in tho |
| 00:41.16 | KotCzarny | is me |
| 00:41.24 | KotCzarny | i live in the internet |
| 00:41.33 | Mousey | LIVE, from the INTERNET!! |
| 00:41.39 | Mousey | It's KotCzarny!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:41.41 | lcuk_2 | what timezone does your body clock work to then? |
| 00:41.49 | KotCzarny | random |
| 00:41.49 | lcuk_2 | sometimes i feel like mine is mid atlantic |
| 00:41.50 | Mousey | *crickets* |
| 00:42.28 | lcuk_2 | are you like an old abandoned server wired up and bricked in at a disused warehouse |
| 00:42.45 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 00:42.49 | KotCzarny | more like a vagabond |
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| 00:43.54 | lcuk_2 | "scuse me, spare some bandwidth?" |
| 00:45.40 | KotCzarny | dries |
| 00:45.45 | KotCzarny | (out) |
| 00:46.18 | lcuk_2 | you been busy tonight or just winding down |
| 00:46.41 | KotCzarny | just a thursday's shower |
| 00:48.16 | lcuk_2 | is a thursday shower different to a shower on a different day? |
| 00:48.44 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:48.56 | KotCzarny | because it's thursday and not ie. monday |
| 00:50.58 | lcuk_2 | right, im vanishing - i have a damsel who needs me (then i can drink later) |
| 00:51.04 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:56.32 | lopz | re |
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| 01:25.59 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:26.13 | KotCzarny | is there maemo mapper equivalent for linux? |
| 01:26.57 | jott | KotCzarny: i guess maemo mapper should work with very few modifications |
| 01:27.12 | jott | other than that google earth ;P |
| 01:27.13 | KotCzarny | will it compile without hildon related libs? |
| 01:27.30 | jott | well either strip those or install hildon libs |
| 01:27.41 | KotCzarny | that will i do |
| 01:27.53 | KotCzarny | but i wanted to know if there's ready solution |
| 01:28.07 | KotCzarny | btw. have you seen kcbatt 0.2.4? |
| 01:28.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:28.17 | jott | not yet .) |
| 01:28.38 | KotCzarny | need.. feed.. backs... |
| 01:28.41 | jott | google earth is "ready" :) |
| 01:28.55 | KotCzarny | ggoogle earth has caching feature? |
| 01:29.09 | KotCzarny | to browse world offline? |
| 01:29.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:29.13 | jott | kindof |
| 01:29.15 | jott | yes |
| 01:29.27 | jott | they also have to pay the bandwidth ;) |
| 01:29.29 | pupnik | it does cache, but can you run program offline? |
| 01:29.41 | jott | good question.. :) |
| 01:29.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:31.13 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.19 | KotCzarny | chinook is legacy? |
| 01:31.20 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 01:31.46 | jott | well pure gtk would be more compatible ;p |
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| 01:34.20 | NeoStrider_ | hey folks |
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| 01:37.53 | pupnik | wb NeoStrider_ |
| 01:38.01 | KotCzarny | i can't even run autogen.sh properly. |
| 01:38.02 | KotCzarny | doh. |
| 01:38.04 | NeoStrider_ | whats up pupnik |
| 01:38.21 | pupnik | did you see wz2100 yet? |
| 01:38.25 | NeoStrider_ | hey...today I oficially finished Angstron |
| 01:38.30 | pupnik | :) |
| 01:38.32 | pupnik | cool |
| 01:38.34 | NeoStrider_ | now its beta product |
| 01:38.38 | NeoStrider_ | wanna try? |
| 01:38.40 | pupnik | link? |
| 01:38.41 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 01:38.45 | NeoStrider_ | hummm |
| 01:38.47 | NeoStrider_ | not yyet |
| 01:38.53 | NeoStrider_ | I need to upload it |
| 01:39.29 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16502 3D game, 800x480 |
| 01:39.50 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 01:39.58 | KotCzarny | is it turn based or rts? |
| 01:40.07 | KotCzarny | ah. rts. |
| 01:40.07 | pupnik | rts |
| 01:40.15 | NeoStrider_ | now I feel bad |
| 01:40.16 | NeoStrider_ | hahah |
| 01:40.24 | KotCzarny | i prefer turn based games |
| 01:40.29 | NeoStrider_ | but works with 770? |
| 01:40.39 | KotCzarny | especially if controls are clumsy (like on tablet) |
| 01:41.02 | pupnik | i will have to test on 770 someday |
| 01:41.10 | NeoStrider_ | nice |
| 01:41.12 | KotCzarny | but nice |
| 01:41.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:41.14 | NeoStrider_ | and your games? |
| 01:41.22 | pupnik | i don't write any |
| 01:41.29 | KotCzarny | ..yet |
| 01:41.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:41.44 | pupnik | many new ports NeoStrider_ |
| 01:41.55 | NeoStrider_ | cool! |
| 01:42.06 | NeoStrider_ | anything for EeePC? |
| 01:42.07 | NeoStrider_ | ;-) |
| 01:42.14 | KotCzarny | eeep! |
| 01:42.23 | NeoStrider_ | ?? |
| 01:42.52 | KotCzarny | gnome. argh. |
| 01:43.22 | NeoStrider_ | actually, IceWM |
| 01:43.26 | NeoStrider_ | I dont like it either |
| 01:43.45 | NeoStrider_ | I would love to use Matchbox( or even maemo desktop!) or FluxBox on it |
| 01:43.46 | KotCzarny | neostrider: i'm trying to compile maemo mapper on my laptop |
| 01:43.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:44.02 | NeoStrider_ | on a EeePC? |
| 01:44.13 | KotCzarny | nope. on ibm x32 |
| 01:44.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:45.37 | nwidger | so how come even after i put the right directory in fbreader to look for my books and check off the look in subdirectories option, fbreader doesnt add all the books in that directory to my library? isnt it supposed to be automatic? |
| 01:45.55 | KotCzarny | because media libraries suck. |
| 01:46.07 | nwidger | ok...? |
| 01:46.13 | KotCzarny | what's wrong with 'show me my dir and open this file' |
| 01:46.23 | lcuk_2 | nwidger, i noticed fb wasnt adding books for ages then magically it added my entire tree |
| 01:46.24 | KotCzarny | grumbles |
| 01:46.31 | lcuk_2 | i was reading one at a time |
| 01:46.45 | NeoStrider_ | is uploading angstron to geocities |
| 01:46.50 | lcdd | the concept of directories is confusing to users these days |
| 01:46.50 | lcuk_2 | but the interface to the library sucks ass more than a donkey with a fetish |
| 01:46.52 | nwidger | lcuk_2: well that's encouraging :/ |
| 01:47.20 | KotCzarny | grr. |
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| 01:47.27 | lcuk_2 | just open a single book at a time - at least you only need to do it once every couple of days |
| 01:47.29 | KotCzarny | i think i'll pass maemo mapper. :/ |
| 01:47.33 | lcuk_2 | and it does remember your base path |
| 01:47.38 | nwidger | ya |
| 01:47.47 | nwidger | bah |
| 01:47.47 | KotCzarny | now it needs gconf |
| 01:47.48 | nwidger | well thanks anyways |
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| 01:48.10 | lcuk_2 | is v close to the day he can drop fbreader |
| 01:48.30 | nwidger | for what instead? |
| 01:48.30 | lcuk_2 | no one else will be able to because they all read none standard files ;) |
| 01:48.37 | KotCzarny | lcuk: if you throw in good file browser i'm in |
| 01:48.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:48.46 | lcuk_2 | ive been working on a flat text reader with scrolly text |
| 01:48.55 | nwidger | ah cool |
| 01:48.59 | nwidger | for maemo? |
| 01:49.02 | lcuk_2 | and without the quirks fbreader has |
| 01:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:49.13 | KotCzarny | lcuk, poppler? |
| 01:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader's library isn't that important. |
| 01:49.18 | lcuk_2 | i hate the touch interface for paging it is sluggish and repeats and is screwed |
| 01:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | The meta data is wrong for 90% of them anyway |
| 01:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | so adding them by hand is basically a must. |
| 01:49.40 | lcuk_2 | a library is only as good as the input |
| 01:50.03 | KotCzarny | lcuk, i believe getting some formats other than txt is possible? |
| 01:50.06 | lcuk_2 | i have no meta data with my books :) i dont think i have anything apart from txt lying around |
| 01:50.07 | KotCzarny | as a modules etc? |
| 01:50.19 | lcuk_2 | ahhh - actually i have one isolo file of snowcrash |
| 01:50.30 | lcuk_2 | but then i saw all the crap and upgraded everything to ascii |
| 01:50.38 | NeoStrider_ | dammit |
| 01:50.44 | NeoStrider_ | I cant seem to upload it anywhere |
| 01:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | The important part of FBReader is the text reading, which it does just fine. |
| 01:51.07 | lcuk_2 | it doesnt |
| 01:51.22 | lcuk_2 | with a big book it takes 1-2seconds to page backwards |
| 01:51.29 | lcuk_2 | so you press again and again |
| 01:51.38 | lcuk_2 | but then you end up going multiple pages |
| 01:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, you page once every 1-2 minutes. |
| 01:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | and (for me) only in one direction. |
| 01:52.25 | lcuk_2 | but with the touch interface being touchy it moves foreward multiple pages with a single tap |
| 01:52.32 | lcuk_2 | so you have to go backwards |
| 01:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, that's why I use the hardware buttons. |
| 01:52.48 | NeoStrider_ | god save Nokia Mosh! |
| 01:52.50 | lcuk_2 | i do as well but sometimes i catch it |
| 01:53.53 | lcuk_2 | on my 810 as well i am gonna be configuring half the qwertasdfzxcv keys as page back, and the other half page foreward |
| 01:53.58 | KotCzarny | now it need orbit lib |
| 01:54.01 | KotCzarny | argh. |
| 01:55.30 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, i remember being able to drift off to sleep on my old pda with scrolling text autoreading :) |
| 01:55.34 | lcuk_2 | it was bliss |
| 01:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 01:55.46 | lcuk_2 | liqreader at fullscreen now does it |
| 01:55.50 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't remember anything I read a few minutes before that |
| 01:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | and then it autoscrolls to the end up the book while I'm sleeping? |
| 01:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | runs out the battery and leaves me without a bookmark? |
| 01:56.42 | lcuk_2 | but im tethered in bed - and my old one had a dock |
| 01:57.12 | lcuk_2 | i still havent got the wifi to stay disconnected so it needs tethering |
| 01:57.28 | lcuk_2 | its set to ask but i wake up and its come back to life |
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| 02:00.14 | NeoStrider_ | here is it, folks: |
| 02:00.15 | NeoStrider_ | http://mosh.nokia.com/content/48E00046AE57AE92E040050A44300AB0 |
| 02:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | Canola b7 is out with YouTube plugin. |
| 02:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=158057#post158057 |
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| 02:04.57 | pupnik | what is changelog NeoStrider_ ? |
| 02:05.14 | NeoStrider_ | hummmm |
| 02:05.18 | NeoStrider_ | huge |
| 02:05.26 | NeoStrider_ | got a menu system |
| 02:05.32 | NeoStrider_ | better rendering speed (I hope so) |
| 02:05.37 | NeoStrider_ | better memory management |
| 02:05.43 | NeoStrider_ | some sound |
| 02:05.47 | NeoStrider_ | more levels |
| 02:05.50 | NeoStrider_ | well |
| 02:05.53 | NeoStrider_ | finished product |
| 02:06.00 | NeoStrider_ | its only a matter of killing the bugs |
| 02:07.39 | lcuk_2 | passes neostrider the can of RAID |
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| 02:10.59 | MegaTrousers | Does anyone know how to get networking working in the Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance? I boot up the image and fiddle with the VM network settings, but it cannot seem to find its own eth0 interface. |
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| 02:12.15 | lcuk_2 | mega, on mine i thought it was broken inside but it was my vmware network devices within windows that had been firewalled and it wasnt connecting through |
| 02:13.43 | MegaTrousers | lcuk_2: but my other images work with same settings? |
| 02:13.49 | NeoStrider_ | gtg |
| 02:13.53 | NeoStrider_ | c ya fellows |
| 02:14.01 | NeoStrider_ | later on, please let me know of any bug |
| 02:14.11 | NeoStrider_ | you all can report it at http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com |
| 02:14.22 | NeoStrider_ | opens the door and leaves |
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| 02:15.03 | lcuk_2 | are you using the scratchbox console to do testing or are you using the main console |
| 02:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody know how to change the apt timeout? |
| 02:16.00 | MegaTrousers | lcuk_2: main console |
| 02:16.21 | lcuk_2 | oooer then i dunno - ive just heard about problems trying from within sb |
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| 02:24.42 | ywwg | I've got a deb package that requires some python packages, like python2.5-dbus. Shouldn't the application manager pull in these dependencies? It isn't. apt-get does, however. |
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| 03:11.19 | lopz | night |
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| 03:27.05 | pupnik | -> -> -> |
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| 03:35.13 | Navi | -> |
| 03:35.21 | Navi | Youtube plugin for canola \o/ |
| 03:35.42 | Navi | uses internal flash to store videos \o/ |
| 03:35.53 | Navi | is out of internal flash space |
| 03:37.34 | pupnik | ha ha ha |
| 03:37.42 | pupnik | symlink to mmc then |
| 03:37.47 | Navi | I was going to |
| 03:38.09 | Navi | but i'm lazy >_> |
| 03:38.33 | oilinki | what do you download from youtube? |
| 03:39.02 | oilinki | I'm just looking at some random funny clips people paste to irc |
| 03:39.15 | Navi | I'm just watchin' teh videos |
| 03:39.26 | oilinki | but I guess people use it for other things as well? |
| 03:40.34 | oilinki | one reason could be that it takes way too long to download videos from youtube to thailand |
| 03:40.38 | Navi | And I need it to compete with my iPod Touch toting friends |
| 03:41.01 | oilinki | eg. if it's not really funny, I'd rather don't even try to download |
| 03:41.24 | Navi | I don't save youtube videos >_> |
| 03:41.32 | Navi | Canola's gotta cache the video somewhere though |
| 03:42.29 | oilinki | I don't neither.. but need to open an separate tab on ff to fill the buffer :) |
| 03:44.04 | oilinki | just nice to hear how people use services in a different way |
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| 03:44.45 | Navi | I just watch it :/ |
| 03:45.19 | pupnik | I tell them "well maybe youll find yourself one day in a lake of fire, in a rowboat, with one good oar saying 'I shouldn't have supported closed-firmware vendorrrs....'" |
| 03:45.48 | Navi | heh |
| 03:46.39 | Navi | They _all_ don't like the iPhone though ^_^ |
| 03:47.00 | Navi | "What the hell? Why would I want to use a phone with only one button?" |
| 03:47.07 | Navi | ^_^; |
| 03:47.49 | KotCzarny | erm, isn't whole x86 pc business closed firmware ? |
| 03:47.49 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's got 4 buttons |
| 03:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | and a switch |
| 03:48.29 | Navi | pfft |
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| 03:54.30 | Proteous | it's got a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time |
| 03:54.49 | KotCzarny | compass that tells time? |
| 03:54.50 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 03:55.45 | Proteous | when is canola2 on the 770 going to support UPNP? |
| 03:55.47 | Proteous | cries |
| 03:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | When is Canola2 gonna support UPnP period? |
| 03:57.59 | Navi | :/ |
| 03:59.20 | k-s | when it's good enough, and it's not |
| 03:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 03:59.38 | k-s | adding it now would be adding more problems |
| 03:59.56 | k-s | let's get what we have right, then add this, so you can complain and we can fix :-) |
| 04:00.17 | k-s | until then you can help by fixing brisa |
| 04:01.31 | pupnik | googles brisa |
| 04:01.47 | k-s | pupnik: just search in garage.maemo.org |
| 04:02.09 | Navi | 'ey, it's k-s |
| 04:02.19 | pupnik | ty |
| 04:02.21 | Navi | thought all the Canola guys left :o |
| 04:03.06 | Proteous | I CAN CRY IF I WANT TOOOO |
| 04:03.07 | Proteous | cries |
| 04:03.14 | KotCzarny | i can cry too. |
| 04:03.18 | Navi | gives Proteous a hug |
| 04:03.20 | Proteous | sure sure |
| 04:03.22 | pupnik | is it your party? |
| 04:03.25 | Proteous | lol |
| 04:03.36 | KotCzarny | starts thinking that hildon is there to take over the workld. |
| 04:03.36 | k-s | also, youtube is released, you can use it to write support for more data acquisition, maybe using Coherence? |
| 04:03.39 | KotCzarny | world. |
| 04:03.52 | KotCzarny | anyone tried to backport maemo app to normal one? |
| 04:03.55 | KotCzarny | *grin* |
| 04:04.07 | KotCzarny | it's evil. |
| 04:04.11 | pupnik | backport sounds dirty |
| 04:04.30 | Proteous | no, not in the backport, please |
| 04:05.12 | KotCzarny | pushes undefined reference to `hildon_banner_show_information_with_markup' right up into proteous |
| 04:05.14 | Proteous | don't be trying to climb out of the gutter, I'll just step on your fingers |
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| 04:17.12 | Italodance | hi |
| 04:18.52 | Italodance | monrning |
| 04:20.17 | Proteous | damn +GMTers |
| 04:20.29 | Proteous | always gmornin in the evenin |
| 04:20.34 | Proteous | :P |
| 04:20.51 | KotCzarny | evening? it's midnifgt already |
| 04:20.55 | KotCzarny | midnight |
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| 04:24.04 | Proteous | sure sure |
| 04:25.50 | Italodance | lol |
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| 04:59.48 | Italodance | ummm Media Converter |
| 04:59.57 | Italodance | can only convert to mp4? |
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| 06:17.25 | Navi | You know what we need? Tamagotchis on our N8X0s |
| 06:18.31 | Stskeeps | prolly easily portable from some crap open source implementaton :P |
| 06:19.09 | Navi | The problem lies in which crappy OS implementation is the best |
| 06:19.09 | Proteous | mine always die :/ |
| 06:19.40 | KotCzarny | perl |
| 06:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | You're a terrible person. |
| 06:20.36 | Navi | I mean, so far, I can only find ktamaga |
| 06:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | You know there's a zoo in Japan where they kill a real kitten for every Tamagotchis that dies? |
| 06:21.08 | Proteous | cries |
| 06:21.34 | Navi | Who cares about the kittens? He fucking lets his tamagotchis die |
| 06:22.20 | KotCzarny | The KDE-Tamagotchi-emulator |
| 06:23.36 | Navi | So, the friend that I warned not to get an N-Gage got an N-Gage |
| 06:23.40 | Navi | what a 'tard |
| 06:23.59 | BTobotras | Navi: you're just jealous |
| 06:23.59 | KotCzarny | he may be happy |
| 06:24.00 | KotCzarny | anyway |
| 06:24.23 | KotCzarny | it has worms |
| 06:24.24 | Navi | I owned the original N-Gage |
| 06:24.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:24.37 | Navi | side talkin' ftw |
| 06:24.48 | KotCzarny | can be used as a cheap smartphone |
| 06:26.03 | unixSnob | what can be used as a cheap smartphone? |
| 06:26.10 | KotCzarny | n-gage |
| 06:26.19 | Navi | lolwut: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1175532 |
| 06:27.22 | KotCzarny | N-Gage is a made-for-mobile games service available in compatible Nokia Nseries and other S60 3rd Edition devices from Nokia. |
| 06:27.39 | KotCzarny | so i guess original n-gage is out of question |
| 06:27.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:28.50 | unixSnob | I know someone who just bought a vx6800 or something like that, and he's been quite frustrated because most sites that require a login won't work for him |
| 06:29.21 | unixSnob | I'd like to know what to recommend to him.. aside from trying Opera Mobile |
| 06:29.33 | KotCzarny | maybe dell? |
| 06:29.34 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | An N800? |
| 06:30.35 | KotCzarny | is there hildon/oss lib for x86-linux ? |
| 06:30.52 | unixSnob | An N800 would work.. but then he has to come up with an internet connection. I think he doesn't want to carry more than one device for this |
| 06:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | VX6800? |
| 06:31.29 | unixSnob | I was going from memory.. it may be xv8600.. who knows what digits I transposed |
| 06:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | VX6800 + N800 |
| 06:31.54 | Navi | >_> |
| 06:32.36 | unixSnob | So the question is, will the vx6800 bridge it's uplink over wifi? |
| 06:32.45 | unixSnob | Or would he need a cable? |
| 06:33.03 | unixSnob | It runs on WM6 |
| 06:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth? |
| 06:33.08 | GeneralAntilles | PAN? |
| 06:33.13 | KotCzarny | maybe some kind of proxy? |
| 06:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | Opera 9.5 will probably help, though. |
| 06:33.27 | KotCzarny | in case wm6 doesn't have ip forwarding |
| 06:33.49 | unixSnob | WM6 is something I've personally avoided.. so I don't know much about its capabilities. |
| 06:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | It supports PAN. |
| 06:34.25 | unixSnob | Yeah, I think his next step is to try Opera Mobile 8.65. Not sure if 9.5 will go on WM6 |
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| 06:35.05 | KotCzarny | unixsnob: i wonder if there's firefox2/3 for wm :> |
| 06:35.11 | unixSnob | what exactly is PAN? I have trouble keeping all the tethering options straight |
| 06:35.36 | KotCzarny | Mozilla has announced that Mobile Firefox will debut on Nokia 800 devices and those running Windows Mobile 6. |
| 06:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | Personal Area Network |
| 06:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's like adhoc wifi for Bluetooth. |
| 06:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | Sorta |
| 06:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | Except "personal" |
| 06:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | Lot less overhead than DUN. |
| 06:37.13 | unixSnob | interesting.. I would certainly recommend BT over wifi if he can get away w/ it |
| 06:37.23 | unixSnob | (for power reasons) |
| 06:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 06:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | I thought Opera 9.5 was out. |
| 06:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | Guess not. |
| 06:39.27 | Navi | not yet |
| 06:39.31 | Navi | still beta |
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| 06:41.15 | KotCzarny | night ppl |
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| 06:41.43 | unixSnob | l8r |
| 06:47.34 | christefano | KotCzarny: do you have a link for that? |
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| 07:23.34 | Italodance | Media Converter can only convert to mp4? |
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| 07:51.14 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:51.44 | wom- | morning |
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| 07:55.10 | carp3 | Hi guys. some told me that Max Payne 2 it going to port to Maemo .. is it true ? |
| 07:56.44 | Tama^2 | lolz |
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| 07:57.15 | Tama^2 | it's coming out with duke nukem forever |
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| 07:57.34 | Italodance | YEAH! |
| 07:57.59 | Italodance | hi Tama^2 |
| 07:58.03 | Italodance | how are ya? |
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| 07:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | Funny man, that carp3. :\ |
| 07:58.20 | Tama^2 | Hi, good thanks |
| 07:58.41 | Italodance | Tama^2 Media Converter can only convert to mp4? |
| 07:58.55 | Tama^2 | I have no experience with Media COnverter |
| 08:00.53 | Italodance | tnx |
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| 08:16.38 | Italodance | Tama^2 pm |
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| 08:23.30 | L0cutus | re |
| 08:24.33 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Iraq_Today__tomorrow__.jpg |
| 08:25.39 | Italodance | lol |
| 08:25.40 | Italodance | :D |
| 08:26.53 | aquatix | lol? |
| 08:28.26 | pupnik | happy easter |
| 08:29.45 | Tobotras | fights with libjpeg. libjpeg has an upper hand for now |
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| 08:33.55 | keesj | pupnik: what is funny/interesting about the picture? |
| 08:34.51 | pupnik | nothing funny |
| 08:38.56 | keesj | it spreads fear |
| 08:46.07 | Italodance | guys |
| 08:46.26 | Italodance | i need mplayer 25 all package can someone send me please? |
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| 08:57.21 | pupnik | keesj you live in a democracy. exercise your responsibility |
| 08:58.26 | keesj | I am not sure what that would be , I guess letting people speak? |
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| 08:59.06 | pupnik | and the dead are silent |
| 08:59.10 | pupnik | unless we speak for them |
| 09:00.02 | keesj | I live in a country where you are not allowed to have some ideas |
| 09:00.24 | pupnik | me too |
| 09:03.03 | keesj | http://www.nederlandtegenterrorisme.nl/ we have 200.000 people working so that people don's get "terorestic ideas" |
| 09:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | Who doesn't? |
| 09:04.46 | keesj | but they really make commercials about it. |
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| 09:05.48 | aquatix | keesj: yeah, still not sure what to think of those |
| 09:06.08 | unique311 | 200,000 is not that much |
| 09:06.35 | unique311 | probably have that alone in a section of brooklyn |
| 09:07.12 | keesj | the duch population is about 16 Million people |
| 09:08.30 | aquatix | so that's 1.25% of the population doing active anti-terrorist work |
| 09:08.39 | aquatix | i think that's quite significant |
| 09:08.58 | aquatix | and i'm not sure it's needed |
| 09:09.16 | Tama^2 | come on guys do you really think there are 200K people working full time in antiterrorism for real? |
| 09:09.20 | aquatix | hates to be in a train when all traffic is suspended because they find some suspicious bag |
| 09:09.30 | Tama^2 | lame propaganda is well... propaganda |
| 09:09.30 | aquatix | which turned out to be empty or full of dirty clothes |
| 09:09.37 | aquatix | no |
| 09:09.47 | aquatix | but i don't like the signal they give |
| 09:10.07 | unique311 | aquatix, where are you from? |
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| 09:10.15 | aquatix | the netherlands |
| 09:10.22 | unique311 | ok. |
| 09:10.24 | keesj | aquatix: dan not liever de lucht in? |
| 09:10.32 | keesj | pupnik: where are you from? |
| 09:10.35 | aquatix | keesj: nee, maar hoe groot is de kans :) |
| 09:10.38 | unique311 | do they random;y search bags there? |
| 09:10.50 | aquatix | keesj: my point is, why terrorise your own people? |
| 09:11.00 | aquatix | like the government and airports in the US do |
| 09:11.05 | unique311 | lol |
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| 09:11.21 | unique311 | they do in the subways in NYC |
| 09:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | That freaks me out |
| 09:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | I couldn't imagine putting up with that. |
| 09:11.45 | aquatix | unique311: no, but they get all freaked out when some student forgets his empty sports bag in the train |
| 09:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | Or worse, being in the UK with cameras everywhere. |
| 09:11.53 | unique311 | i'm not mad it it. |
| 09:11.54 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 09:11.59 | aquatix | well |
| 09:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | That's just totally unfathomable to me. |
| 09:12.06 | aquatix | there are quite some cameras here too |
| 09:12.07 | unique311 | i don't want to be an innocent victim of terrorism. |
| 09:12.30 | unique311 | if searching has to be done to stop it somewhat... |
| 09:12.30 | czr | none of us is innocent. |
| 09:12.32 | unique311 | so be it |
| 09:12.34 | aquatix | unique311: of course not |
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| 09:12.41 | aquatix | but i want some privacy and respect too |
| 09:12.53 | unique311 | i want to live. |
| 09:12.58 | aquatix | exactly |
| 09:13.07 | aquatix | and my definition of living is `like i want' |
| 09:13.10 | unique311 | i'll take a little privacy and such |
| 09:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather face the danger of a little terrorism than give up freedoms. |
| 09:13.19 | aquatix | alive, and unhassled |
| 09:13.28 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: can't agree more |
| 09:13.51 | GeneralAntilles | and, honestly, aside from the philosophical issues, you're kidding yourself if you think the searches they do in subways, courthouses, airports, etc, etc are actually doing anything. |
| 09:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's a joke |
| 09:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | They're just there to give you the perception of security |
| 09:14.11 | GeneralAntilles | without actually providing any of it. |
| 09:14.22 | Tama^2 | theater of security they call it |
| 09:14.24 | czr | indeed. but most people are happy enough to perceive it. |
| 09:14.40 | aquatix | there has been countless of people and journalists that have investigated and proven them wrong on the account of those searching being functional |
| 09:15.15 | unique311 | true. |
| 09:15.24 | aquatix | hell, there was some journalist here in the NL that could walk around at our largest airport unbothered and put a fake bomb inside the cargo storage of a plane |
| 09:15.31 | aquatix | and smuggle drugs if he wanted |
| 09:15.34 | aquatix | he even filmed it |
| 09:16.00 | aquatix | your cavety is searched better than the people working on your plane ;) |
| 09:16.14 | unique311 | myabe the NL is proviling certain individuals. |
| 09:16.26 | GeneralAntilles | czr, most people are stupid. ;) |
| 09:16.39 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: fact |
| 09:16.45 | czr | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but democracy and all. |
| 09:17.04 | pupnik | keesj: i landed on the wrong planet |
| 09:17.40 | Italodance | The MythTV software supports TV tuner?????????????????????????????? |
| 09:18.28 | aquatix | Italodance: that's sort of the idea of it yeah |
| 09:18.46 | aquatix | being a TV thingee |
| 09:19.24 | aquatix | and all |
| 09:19.43 | unique311 | 18 million in NY, half of that 18M living in NYC...wow |
| 09:20.25 | keesj | wow |
| 09:21.10 | aquatix | yeah, agglomerate Paris has some 18 million people too iirc |
| 09:21.20 | aquatix | *agglomeration |
| 09:21.42 | aquatix | ah no, only 12 million |
| 09:24.25 | keesj | O no , I am having wrong ideas |
| 09:24.35 | czr | spanks keesj |
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| 09:40.00 | Italodance | hi unique311 |
| 09:40.10 | Italodance | yeah aquatix good idea |
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| 09:44.32 | unique311 | hello |
| 09:45.26 | Italodance | maemo plugin is for what? |
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| 09:49.50 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Iraq_Today__tomorrow__.jpg |
| 09:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | Stop depressing me pupnik. <_< |
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| 09:54.24 | Italodance | stop spamming pupnik |
| 09:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Oh the irony! |
| 09:54.45 | trickie | :) |
| 10:04.29 | pupnik | sorry GeneralAntilles |
| 10:04.33 | pupnik | i just love the pic |
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| 10:07.22 | pupnik | her chances of survival are not good |
| 10:07.37 | aquatix | yeah, quite the pic to love |
| 10:07.46 | Italodance | pupnik |
| 10:08.06 | Italodance | i am u living to near of iraq! |
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| 10:09.50 | aquatix | i can has some of that cheezburger? |
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| 10:13.37 | Italodance | aquatix Media Converter can only convert to mp4? |
| 10:14.04 | aquatix | *blink* |
| 10:14.05 | aquatix | erm |
| 10:14.07 | aquatix | dunno? |
| 10:14.25 | Italodance | what's ur converter? |
| 10:14.32 | aquatix | is that some program you got on the cdrom with the n800? |
| 10:14.35 | aquatix | i use ffmpeg |
| 10:14.45 | aquatix | or mencoder |
| 10:14.49 | Italodance | ffmpeg for n800? |
| 10:15.00 | aquatix | ffmpeg on my laptop |
| 10:15.08 | Italodance | no it is a video converter for n800 |
| 10:15.23 | aquatix | i can create most media types with it |
| 10:15.35 | aquatix | yeah, it's for the n800 too indeed |
| 10:15.57 | Italodance | i want to know which is the best video converter for n800? |
| 10:16.47 | Italodance | ? |
| 10:17.28 | rm_you_ | hrm... where do I add a mimetype thingy? (so I can doubleclick a filetype in the file manager and have it open)? |
| 10:17.42 | aquatix | you mean to convert movies you want to play on the n800, or for converting a movie on the n800 itself? |
| 10:17.51 | rm_you | ah hey Italodance |
| 10:17.54 | Italodance | yes exactly |
| 10:17.56 | BabelO | Italodance: avidemux on linux and POcketDivxEncoder on windows are easy to use |
| 10:18.08 | Italodance | oh hi rm_you welcome back dear friend :D |
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| 10:18.23 | Italodance | http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/ yes... |
| 10:18.28 | rm_you | I wish explaining how to use tablet-encode was easier :/ |
| 10:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, there's a thread on ITT. |
| 10:18.53 | rm_you | note: I had Italodance install ActivePERL the other day... so... one step down :P |
| 10:19.15 | Italodance | rm_you i have a problem i just added my original divx movie (without any convert) to my n800 |
| 10:19.15 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: kk, figured as much. just wanted to make sure my wording was accurate :P |
| 10:19.35 | Italodance | i use mplayer for watch it but it is sometimes slow on somewhere why? |
| 10:20.17 | aquatix | Italodance: it's slow because the n800 is too slow to decode it in real time? |
| 10:20.22 | aquatix | the movie is too big i guess |
| 10:20.54 | Italodance | yes video is 700mb 600*340 screen 23 fbs |
| 10:20.59 | BabelO | Italodance: did you try to play these movie on a PII 400Mhz ?, video bit rate is to high |
| 10:21.37 | Italodance | BabelO it's ok on my pc only for n800...it will be slow on some screens... |
| 10:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | Don't excede 600px horizontal |
| 10:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Below 540 is recommended |
| 10:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | less for 4:3 stuff. |
| 10:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | and stick somewhere in the 500-1200Kbps range |
| 10:22.13 | Italodance | rm_you maybe my mplayer has problem? it is mplayer 24 and can't read mp4 files too! :( |
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| 10:22.53 | Italodance | rm_you can u send me all package files for mplayer 25? |
| 10:22.56 | rm_you | Italodance: no, it is the way the files are encoded |
| 10:23.00 | rm_you | your mplayer is fine |
| 10:24.06 | Italodance | so is there any solution for fix it? |
| 10:24.32 | aquatix | Italodance: transcode it on your pc to a movie with a smaller size |
| 10:24.33 | Italodance | i don't want to use video converter for movie files just copy and paste them to my mmc2 |
| 10:25.40 | Italodance | but i heard (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986) mplayer 24 has many problems! |
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| 10:26.56 | rm_you | it doesn't really... |
| 10:27.23 | rm_you | Italodance: you really need to re-encode your video files so they are smaller |
| 10:27.24 | Italodance | rm_you possible can u send me all package files for mplayer 25....here i have an old problem now! |
| 10:27.31 | rm_you | and use xvid codec |
| 10:27.50 | rm_you | Italodance: I am still using mplayer-24 |
| 10:27.58 | rm_you | it works *fine* |
| 10:28.00 | Italodance | xvid codec? only this tool and it's useful? |
| 10:28.19 | Italodance | rm_you mplayer-24 can't read mp4 files can u? |
| 10:28.26 | rm_you | i'm sorry, I think we have some sort of communication issue (possibly language related) |
| 10:28.47 | rm_you | I'll try to rephrase instead of just repeating the same thing |
| 10:28.58 | Italodance | ok |
| 10:29.05 | rm_you | Mplayer-24 is good. |
| 10:29.13 | rm_you | MP4 is slow |
| 10:29.17 | rm_you | Use xvid. |
| 10:29.21 | Italodance | so i use xvid codec for re-encode |
| 10:29.24 | rm_you | Yes |
| 10:30.20 | rm_you | 600x340 is bad. 400x### is good. |
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| 10:30.47 | rm_you | 600 is the horizontal resolution of the video you have |
| 10:31.04 | rm_you | You don't want to go over 500... the best to use is 400 |
| 10:31.17 | Italodance | 400x240 is the best but after convery the quality will drop |
| 10:31.20 | Italodance | down |
| 10:31.37 | rm_you | not really |
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| 10:31.44 | rm_you | Is there a Bitrate option? |
| 10:31.54 | Italodance | so tell me what is the best converter for n800? as ur opinion? |
| 10:31.59 | rm_you | If so, turn that up to 1000-1400 |
| 10:32.04 | rm_you | tablet-encode |
| 10:32.10 | rm_you | but it is tricky to use in windows |
| 10:32.12 | Italodance | rm_you yes Bitrate option is available |
| 10:32.39 | rm_you | Codec: Xvid. Bitrate: 1200. Resolution: 400x### |
| 10:32.51 | rm_you | That will look nice and play very nicely as well |
| 10:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | Just use the IT Converter from Nokia. |
| 10:33.08 | Italodance | i use internet tablet video converter / Xilisoft Video Converter / n800 video convert |
| 10:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | Saves you any thinking. |
| 10:33.27 | Italodance | ok |
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| 10:33.40 | rm_you | bah! |
| 10:33.51 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: that's what he's been using... which is causing problems :/ |
| 10:33.55 | Italodance | yes i am testing many tools for my n800 |
| 10:34.24 | Italodance | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.45 | Italodance | Xilisoft Video Converter = the best for h263 h264 720p |
| 10:34.53 | Italodance | n800 video convert = shit! |
| 10:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | Media Converter is the Java thing. |
| 10:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | Not the Nokia one. |
| 10:35.28 | Italodance | and i don't use Media Converter yet |
| 10:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 |
| 10:36.08 | Italodance | i know it but ur results are good from Media Converter? |
| 10:36.31 | Italodance | i have Internet Tablet Video Converter read up (internet tablet video converter = the best for divx/xvid ) |
| 10:37.51 | Italodance | i still looking for the best! |
| 10:38.34 | Italodance | rm_you maybe www.pocketdivxencoder.net is good for re-encode |
| 10:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | The best is tablet-encode. |
| 10:40.01 | Italodance | tablet-encode is it for win? |
| 10:44.16 | Italodance | the best from tablet-encode: best => { abitrate => 192, vbitrate => 768, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, |
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| 10:45.45 | Italodance | low? |
| 10:45.47 | rm_you | low |
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| 10:46.00 | Italodance | vbitrate => 76 fps => 30 },? |
| 10:46.16 | rm_you | i use: n800 => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, |
| 10:46.44 | Italodance | that's cool i use it now... |
| 10:46.49 | rm_you | could probably make that: |
| 10:46.57 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.09 | rm_you | i set the audio really low for some reason >_> |
| 10:47.11 | rm_you | dunno why |
| 10:47.23 | aquatix | rm_you: crappy earbuds? ;) |
| 10:47.30 | rm_you | actually no :P |
| 10:47.38 | aquatix | heh, then it's weird |
| 10:47.38 | rm_you | more like crappy thought process |
| 10:47.44 | aquatix | :) |
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| 10:49.36 | Italodance | aquatix what's ur mplayer? |
| 10:49.48 | aquatix | Italodance: you mean which version? |
| 10:49.53 | Italodance | yes |
| 10:49.57 | aquatix | latest |
| 10:50.00 | aquatix | looks |
| 10:50.02 | Italodance | 26? |
| 10:50.04 | Italodance | cool |
| 10:50.20 | Italodance | sorry but possible can u send me all ur mplayer 26 files? |
| 10:50.32 | Italodance | the package |
| 10:50.53 | keesj | Italodance: don't start again please |
| 10:51.02 | aquatix | i have 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0 :) |
| 10:51.08 | Italodance | ok sorry |
| 10:51.18 | aquatix | and sorry, i'm too busy to get all those files |
| 10:51.20 | Italodance | aha it can't read mp4 files |
| 10:51.25 | aquatix | get some internet on your tablet ;) |
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| 10:51.28 | Italodance | i have 24 too |
| 10:51.55 | rm_you | Italodance: why are you asking us for the deb file? |
| 10:51.56 | Italodance | i only download 25 deb file for update but it said unable to update why? |
| 10:52.05 | rm_you | just download it from the site like a normal person :P |
| 10:52.13 | rm_you | Italodance: install .24 then .25? |
| 10:52.18 | rm_you | i thought .25 was beta |
| 10:52.39 | rm_you | anyway, STOP OBSESSING! there is virtually no difference between .24 and .25 |
| 10:52.51 | rm_you | (as far as you are concerned) |
| 10:53.01 | Italodance | rm_you yes i download 25 deb file but the application manager said unable to update why? |
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| 10:53.21 | rm_you | Italodance: I don't know, and *it doesn't matter* |
| 10:53.22 | Italodance | rm_you no 24 is crap!? |
| 10:53.28 | rm_you | pretend .25 doesn't exist |
| 10:53.44 | rm_you | If you keep saying that I'm just going to stop talking to you. |
| 10:53.57 | Italodance | once again http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986 mplayer 26 is exist too |
| 10:54.03 | rm_you | sighs |
| 10:54.09 | Italodance | crap 24: |
| 10:54.10 | Italodance | * Fixed issue #2091 ('nokia770 video driver does not get enabled on N810') |
| 10:54.10 | Italodance | * Fixed issue #1962 ('mp4(divx) playing VERY slowly with MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0') |
| 10:54.31 | Italodance | rm_you sorry :( |
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| 10:55.06 | rm_you | you have an n800... so the first doesn't matter |
| 10:55.35 | rm_you | the second might be relevent, but even if it is, xvid files *will* play faster because the codec is less CPU heavy |
| 10:55.43 | rm_you | so it doesn't matter |
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| 11:00.03 | rm_you | Anyway, I need to head to Austin now... So i'll be back on Sunday. |
| 11:01.02 | rm_you | Italodance: sorry I snapped at you... i've been up for close to 24 hours so i get extra frustrated when I have to repeat things :( |
| 11:01.12 | rm_you | anyways, good luck with that |
| 11:02.04 | lcuk | clicks on rm_you and turns down his tiredness level with the advanced backlight volume tiredness control |
| 11:03.15 | rm_you|Austin | feels less tired |
| 11:03.16 | rm_you|Austin | actually leaves |
| 11:03.25 | lcuk | cya later have a good trip |
| 11:03.46 | pupnik | see ya next fall! |
| 11:03.49 | pupnik | HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 11:04.53 | lcuk | mornin pup |
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| 11:09.02 | Italodance | umm 512*280 can read on n800? |
| 11:09.43 | Italodance | ok m_you|Austin good luck and have a nice day |
| 11:10.09 | Spakman | I think I'm going blind - how do I upload HTML files to my Garage project home page? |
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| 11:25.23 | kulve | Spakman: commit them to www subdirectory in SVN |
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| 11:31.53 | Spakman | kulve: is there a way to do it if I don't use the Garage VCS? |
| 11:32.07 | kulve | Probably not, but I don't know for sure |
| 11:32.14 | Spakman | cool - thanks :) |
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| 12:52.00 | Italodance | 512 x 288 can play on mplayer without any problem? |
| 12:53.15 | Cptnodegard | no |
| 12:53.29 | Cptnodegard | depends on the bitrate |
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| 13:00.18 | trickie | Italodance: i believe rm_you|Austin gave you some useful information about the dimensions |
| 13:00.24 | trickie | maybe read over it again |
| 13:02.55 | Italodance | ok |
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| 13:21.05 | nil__ | hi!, can someone tell me how can i load a new IAP profiles (/var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/$ESSID/%gconf.xml) without restart nokia device?? |
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| 13:22.34 | GnutoN810 | hi |
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| 13:30.36 | lopz | hi |
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| 13:45.39 | Italodance | done |
| 13:46.26 | Italodance | HD 512x288 25.00fps is working very good on my mplayer! |
| 13:46.28 | Italodance | :D |
| 13:46.40 | Italodance | i think bluray encode too |
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| 14:09.35 | keesj | so , can someone tell me if where I can find easter eggs? |
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| 14:10.49 | X-Fade_ | keesj: I hope it is 3D support ;) |
| 14:11.19 | ||cw | um, 512x288 is not HD |
| 14:11.52 | ||cw | ???x720 or better is HD |
| 14:12.15 | keesj | wasn't 3D reserved for 1 april? |
| 14:12.33 | ||cw | speaking of technicalities, the FCC modified their definition, "broadband" now has to be 786kbps or faster |
| 14:12.51 | ||cw | up from 200k |
| 14:12.57 | AStorm | hehe |
| 14:12.58 | jaska | (rotfl) |
| 14:13.29 | AStorm | so my current connection isn't one anymore? |
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| 14:18.48 | ccooke | Damn! n810 has got into a white Nokia screen loop - won't turn on. |
| 14:19.34 | X-Fade_ | ccooke: Did you upgrade your device to the newest firmware yet? |
| 14:19.44 | ccooke | X-Fade_: as soon as it came out |
| 14:20.05 | X-Fade_ | ccooke: Hmm, I was hoping it was the bootloader bug.. |
| 14:20.25 | ccooke | I just swapped batteries with my wife, since I'm heading out into town and she isn't. |
| 14:20.34 | ccooke | (and I forgot to charge last night) |
| 14:21.21 | X-Fade_ | So it can be that the battery is just empty? |
| 14:21.42 | ccooke | No. |
| 14:21.50 | X-Fade_ | Or did you test that one before you left? :) |
| 14:21.53 | ccooke | the battery I swapped *out* was nearly empty |
| 14:22.16 | ccooke | the battery I swapped *in* is full - she was using it at the time and it had been charging all night |
| 14:22.23 | AStorm | time to reflash |
| 14:22.25 | X-Fade_ | I suppose you don't have a charger handy? |
| 14:22.39 | ccooke | X-Fade_: handy, sure. Outside the house? Er. No. |
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| 14:23.09 | ccooke | Is there any way to get a diagnostic screen up on the device? |
| 14:23.11 | X-Fade_ | Well, I wanted to test if it did boot up automatically when the charger was connected.. |
| 14:25.06 | AStorm | maybe your flash got corrupted? |
| 14:25.35 | X-Fade_ | ccooke: So you do see the Nokia logo and then it turns off? |
| 14:25.42 | ccooke | My thought is that one of the flash drives needs to be fsckd |
| 14:25.59 | ccooke | X-Fade_: yes. |
| 14:26.10 | X-Fade_ | But not the progress bar? |
| 14:26.22 | ccooke | Nope |
| 14:26.35 | X-Fade_ | Try holding the power button longer. |
| 14:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, do you have autoconnect on and ssh installed? |
| 14:28.21 | ccooke | never heard of autoconnect, but ssh is installed |
| 14:28.23 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: It won't go past the bootloader. |
| 14:28.28 | ccooke | Ah! progress bar |
| 14:28.32 | ccooke | How odd! |
| 14:28.48 | ccooke | Hmm. I think I understand. |
| 14:28.58 | X-Fade_ | ccooke: You need to hold the powerbutton longer sometimes.. |
| 14:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | 1.5 seconds |
| 14:29.28 | ccooke | X-Fade_: ... Longer than ten seconds? |
| 14:29.37 | X-Fade_ | ccooke: No, that is enough ;) |
| 14:29.46 | ccooke | in this case, it seemed to only boot when it had external power. |
| 14:29.56 | ccooke | Maybe some "you've inserted a new battery" check... |
| 14:30.19 | X-Fade_ | Cord: Sounds a lot like the bootloader problem.. |
| 14:30.25 | X-Fade_ | ehm ccook.. |
| 14:30.26 | ccooke | Thanks for the advice... |
| 14:31.08 | ccooke | X-Fade_: I never had the bootloader problem, so I didn't pay much attention - what is it? |
| 14:31.22 | X-Fade_ | ccooke: Device won't turn on ;) |
| 14:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | There was no response AT ALL with that bug, though. |
| 14:32.24 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: indeed, but sometimes connecting a charger helped. |
| 14:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but if it's turning the backlight on, then it's not the NOLO bug. |
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| 14:58.34 | f_mohr | is there a way to sync the n810 address book with a 6120? |
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| 15:05.03 | MangoFusion | f_mohr: what you do is this |
| 15:05.21 | MangoFusion | open the address book on your 6210 and n810 |
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| 15:05.53 | MangoFusion | for each address on your 6210, examine the details and enter them on your n810 |
| 15:05.58 | MangoFusion | see, simple :) |
| 15:06.02 | f_mohr | :-) |
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| 15:07.08 | darx_ | hi, can i set the canola youtube plugin to stream the higher quality streams from youtube? |
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| 15:08.33 | edistar | hi, anyone here tried to build anstrom for nokia770? I wonder how I can create my own initramfs |
| 15:09.00 | MangoFusion | darx_: i've been wondering that as well. seems like it downloads them, right? |
| 15:11.44 | MangoFusion | wait, no - it's streaming this other one |
| 15:11.52 | darx_ | MangoFusion: it streams |
| 15:12.14 | MangoFusion | must have been a dodgy video before |
| 15:12.25 | darx_ | youtube has recently started streaming higher quality vids recently |
| 15:12.52 | MangoFusion | ah i see |
| 15:12.59 | darx_ | i was wondering if its possible to configure the canola youtube plugin to stream the higher quality ones instead |
| 15:13.34 | MangoFusion | would HQ even playback at an acceptable speed on an 810? |
| 15:13.45 | MangoFusion | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.56 | darx_ | if you add &fmt=18 to the end of the normal URL, you get the higher quality version |
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| 15:15.35 | darx_ | i was wondering if canola youtube plugin can be made to do that |
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| 15:20.04 | MangoFusion | not seen anything specific in the options in the ui, so who knows =/ |
| 15:23.57 | darx_ | yup.. does it have a configuration text file or something? |
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| 15:29.29 | MangoFusion | sadly no idea =( |
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| 15:36.50 | edistar | does anyone know which kernel module the touchscreen in the nokia 770 needs? |
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| 16:23.41 | Navi | hrm |
| 16:23.57 | Navi | the N800 isn't switching to speakers when I unplug my headphones |
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| 16:27.29 | ivan_ | Hi everyone! I've just upraded to os2008. Now I'm trying to install FBReader and I get an error message - hildon-libs0 not found. Where do I get it? |
| 16:27.42 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 16:29.02 | KotCzarny | is it the correct package? |
| 16:29.05 | KotCzarny | i mean fbreader |
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| 16:29.47 | ivan_ | I belive, yes. From theit own repository.. |
| 16:29.57 | ivan_ | *their |
| 16:30.17 | KotCzarny | i remember mine installed without any additional libs |
| 16:30.24 | KotCzarny | but i did manual installation |
| 16:30.48 | ivan_ | thats and idea, will try it |
| 16:31.00 | ivan_ | thanx black cat |
| 16:31.03 | KotCzarny | np |
| 16:31.55 | lcuk_2 | kot, do you code in c |
| 16:32.11 | KotCzarny | lcuk, a little |
| 16:32.19 | ivan_ | never worked on debian, .deb packages are installed with apt-get? |
| 16:32.32 | KotCzarny | apt-get is automatic install |
| 16:32.36 | KotCzarny | dpkg -i is manual |
| 16:32.42 | ivan_ | tnx |
| 16:32.45 | KotCzarny | but you can try apt-get too |
| 16:33.56 | lcuk_2 | im trying to build in an easy way to identify code modules compiled into the program. what i dont want to do however is have to go to a central file each time (beyond the makefile which i have to) and add their main function to a table of available init functions |
| 16:34.26 | Italodance | umm what's mplayer plugin? |
| 16:34.55 | lcuk_2 | same sort of idea italo but those are external modules - i could identify those at runtime by recursing a folder |
| 16:35.32 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 16:36.27 | KotCzarny | can you make table of init functions dynamic? |
| 16:36.52 | lcuk_2 | yes but i have to put init code into a single function |
| 16:37.36 | lcuk_2 | its not like *cough* .net or even vb - i cant get hold of the class definitions at runtime to enumerate my inits |
| 16:38.00 | KotCzarny | you will have to know how to call your modules' init |
| 16:38.06 | KotCzarny | though |
| 16:38.19 | lcuk_2 | yes, i will use a standard api for that |
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| 16:38.34 | KotCzarny | steal the code from xmms |
| 16:38.37 | KotCzarny | then |
| 16:38.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:38.41 | lcuk_2 | whats xmms? |
| 16:38.48 | KotCzarny | gtk1 media player |
| 16:38.53 | KotCzarny | winamp clone |
| 16:39.09 | KotCzarny | has a plugins system |
| 16:39.15 | jott | lcuk_2: considered using dlopen or g_module_open to load your modules/plugins? |
| 16:39.38 | lcuk_2 | loading external plugins works fine - i could handle loading the object modules fairly simply |
| 16:39.55 | lcuk_2 | i am on about having some modules built in because they share things |
| 16:40.04 | lcuk_2 | if i cant do it simply ill just use plugins :) |
| 16:40.48 | KotCzarny | ah, so you want to make a shared lib? :> |
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| 16:41.42 | lcuk_2 | yer :) its ok ill just add init refs into the main handler |
| 16:42.54 | lcuk_2 | what i was thinking would be uncontrolable - in the visual languages ive got used to dropping things in simpler than in c |
| 16:43.24 | lcuk_2 | doesnt like manually creating files editing makefile etc |
| 16:43.47 | KotCzarny | use python then? |
| 16:43.48 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:43.51 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 16:44.03 | jott | or a decent ide and a better buildsystem? :) |
| 16:44.13 | lcuk_2 | i did at first - i got my remote control working, then i moved onto my sketch pad but found the update too slow |
| 16:44.23 | lcuk_2 | lol jott, easier said than done |
| 16:44.28 | lcuk_2 | dont like exclipse |
| 16:44.30 | KotCzarny | make a binary lib for python? |
| 16:44.46 | lcuk_2 | yer but i like having c around me now - it feels like home :) |
| 16:44.46 | ivan_ | Hey Black cat, thanx again manual installation worked ) |
| 16:46.17 | lcuk_2 | for the first time since 1999 i have not opened vb to play with code (since january now). a blank idea now starts with #include |
| 16:47.16 | jott | yuck.. vb |
| 16:47.18 | jott | shudders |
| 16:47.40 | lcuk_2 | methadone after my amiga died. |
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| 16:48.29 | lcuk_2 | vb does everything and integrates well and the ide is a dream. |
| 16:48.53 | KotCzarny | ivan: good :) |
| 16:49.32 | KotCzarny | but vb's syntax is brain damaging |
| 16:49.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:50.00 | lcuk_2 | agreed |
| 16:50.01 | KotCzarny | after i hacked a little in asp i had troubles writing in c |
| 16:50.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:50.53 | lcuk_2 | im just rusty with my c |
| 16:50.58 | jott | luckily last time i had to write vb/asp was 8 years ago :) |
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| 16:53.50 | lcuk_2 | is googlepages a reasonable enough homepage platform? |
| 16:54.21 | jott | lcuk_2: you could use gambas :) (never tried personally but seems to be mature) |
| 16:54.21 | lcuk_2 | or rather, where would you recommend i get some webspace from |
| 16:54.23 | KotCzarny | i just use thttpd and dyndns |
| 16:54.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:54.51 | lcuk_2 | i noticed kot but i want reliable and os/computer independant - if i am offline i dont want my files to not be |
| 16:54.54 | jott | pokes KotCzarny with a lighttpd .) |
| 16:55.27 | KotCzarny | jott: nah, thttpd does what it has to do and compiles fine :) |
| 16:55.29 | lcuk_2 | i dont wanna have to remember to install a service and ensure data is there |
| 16:55.43 | KotCzarny | what't to want more? |
| 16:56.09 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i noticed that my laptop is almost always online |
| 16:56.34 | KotCzarny | and figured out i'll just use it as a file server :) |
| 16:56.47 | lcuk_2 | multiple machines here and its just not worth the messing hacking the router to have info - i iwll just find somewhere online |
| 16:56.47 | jott | my n810 is also almost always online .. that could beat maemo.org perfomance wise ;) |
| 16:56.54 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 16:57.02 | lcuk_2 | my 810 wont stay offline |
| 16:57.17 | jott | see .. perfect webserver ;) |
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| 16:57.23 | lcuk_2 | it has a mind of its own - ill disable it at night and in the morning its back on - im sure it goes porn surfing when im not there |
| 16:57.26 | jott | low power consumption and fast enough |
| 16:57.33 | KotCzarny | as long as your wifi stays on ;) |
| 16:57.34 | jaska | skynet |
| 16:57.36 | lcuk_2 | (its set to ask by the way) |
| 16:57.54 | lcuk_2 | skynet involves flying 810s - mine is staying safe in its cradle |
| 16:58.34 | KotCzarny | then just tape 810s to a balloons |
| 16:58.39 | KotCzarny | and make a mesh network |
| 16:58.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:58.40 | jaska | causing epilepsy and nausea by flashing the nokia handshake thing (its annoying) at you |
| 16:59.09 | jaska | always hated it when my old phone played it on startup and had to jam buttons to get past it :P |
| 16:59.14 | Veggen | I once networked via pigeons. got a lousy round trip time, though. |
| 16:59.32 | KotCzarny | i hate pigeons. |
| 16:59.37 | lcuk_2 | packet loss is bad round here too - we have too many cats |
| 17:00.08 | KotCzarny | and when pigeon drops a packet you have to clean it up yourself |
| 17:00.17 | KotCzarny | if it happens on your balcony |
| 17:00.42 | lcuk_2 | yer - why couldnt they be written in java - at least it would be self cleaning |
| 17:01.09 | lcuk_2 | throws coffee at the next pigeon he sees |
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| 17:08.16 | lcuk_2 | is there a way to logout of maemo as a user, or a way to have user profiles? |
| 17:08.28 | KotCzarny | remove cookies |
| 17:08.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:08.29 | lcuk_2 | ie - a quick way to alter the settings for multiple users |
| 17:08.39 | lcuk_2 | no - i mean more like app list etc |
| 17:08.53 | KotCzarny | firefox has a custom button for clearing cookies for a site |
| 17:08.57 | lcuk_2 | suppose i wanted to use star trek theme my missus would hate it |
| 17:09.14 | lcuk_2 | she browses the web on it, i dont |
| 17:09.31 | lcuk_2 | (much - its sluggish at best) |
| 17:10.34 | lcuk_2 | it doesnt suit my way of surfing - but its a good info source - i like lots of tabs quickly and easily - maybe detecting a double tap instead of having to hold and slide to the menu |
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| 17:11.10 | lcuk_2 | the link stays visible for a couple of seconds anyway whilst its thinking, so if it detects a second tap then it should just open a new page |
| 17:11.11 | ||cw | i odn't htink ther eis any interface for that, it's designed to be a one user system |
| 17:11.59 | lcuk_2 | i wonder what it would take to adjust it and add the login screens |
| 17:12.14 | KotCzarny | local proxy? |
| 17:12.30 | lcuk_2 | i dunno, im just thinking out loud |
| 17:12.36 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 17:13.03 | lcuk_2 | i know my app menu would be totally different to the missus - i have book reader and code and xchat etc - she plays games and internet |
| 17:13.25 | KotCzarny | i think right now maemo is single user |
| 17:13.45 | KotCzarny | so everythink you think of will be a hack |
| 17:13.47 | lcuk_2 | and i would have it logging out when its locked - quick and simple then to change user :) |
| 17:14.07 | ||cw | well, you'd need to add a login screen to the X server for one, that may or may not be easy |
| 17:14.15 | lcuk_2 | yer i know - i wonder if it would be enough to just allow the menu to change |
| 17:14.26 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 17:14.32 | ||cw | the base OS surely supports it |
| 17:14.34 | KotCzarny | menu is a file on fs |
| 17:14.35 | lcuk_2 | cw, even if it didnt actually log out - and just held a list of menus |
| 17:14.54 | KotCzarny | if you can cause your app to move files around it could work |
| 17:14.55 | lcuk_2 | if it couldnt exactly change the theme it wouldnt be that bad |
| 17:15.05 | lcuk_2 | yer thats the thinking |
| 17:15.15 | lcuk_2 | even just a quick desktop button, choose profile |
| 17:15.26 | KotCzarny | but changing theme takes some time |
| 17:15.32 | KotCzarny | but can be triggered too |
| 17:15.36 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 17:15.48 | lcuk_2 | yer it could, you might select that as an option "keep current theme" |
| 17:16.13 | lcuk_2 | it would save time - just a quick tap - tap and the menus are yours again |
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| 17:17.04 | lcuk_2 | it could even be auto configuring - when you do change user it just persists current menus on current user, then loads the ones for the new user |
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| 17:17.24 | lcuk_2 | any changes made whilst as a specific user will be saved with him for next time |
| 17:17.45 | lcuk_2 | infact, thinking like that makes it a simple process |
| 17:17.53 | jott | just get another tablet - problem solved ;) |
| 17:17.57 | lcuk_2 | you could even backup/restore favorites |
| 17:18.04 | lcuk_2 | yer but thats £300 |
| 17:18.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:18.19 | KotCzarny | but you could play bt games |
| 17:18.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:18.31 | lcuk_2 | i would rather play real games :) |
| 17:18.42 | KotCzarny | sometimes you can't |
| 17:18.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:18.54 | lcuk_2 | i was playing trains with youngest earlier - hes obsessed |
| 17:18.55 | jott | you could do nice video chats :) |
| 17:19.22 | KotCzarny | ..across the room |
| 17:19.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:19.33 | lcuk_2 | lol my thinking exactly |
| 17:19.36 | jott | no need to scream anymore :) |
| 17:19.51 | KotCzarny | home video messaging system? |
| 17:19.51 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 17:20.06 | KotCzarny | hiiii honey, dinner's ready |
| 17:20.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 17:21.06 | lcuk_2 | this tablet is just a house computer |
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| 17:21.14 | lcuk_2 | it sits around and is picked up by anyone |
| 17:21.27 | jott | make it personal computer and get more of them ,) |
| 17:21.45 | KotCzarny | finger reader? |
| 17:21.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:21.47 | lcuk_2 | its not an option right now |
| 17:21.50 | KotCzarny | face recognition? |
| 17:21.57 | lcuk_2 | facial recognition |
| 17:21.58 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 17:22.22 | lcuk_2 | i already have it in mind to use the camera for faces |
| 17:22.46 | lcuk_2 | when i create a new user i am going to get their name from keyboard + screen + camera :) |
| 17:23.10 | lcuk_2 | hmm i might even get them to say hello |
| 17:23.36 | lcuk_2 | :O i wonder if i can read mii character files? |
| 17:23.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:23.50 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 17:24.00 | lcuk_2 | building up a profile using information around me |
| 17:24.20 | KotCzarny | gps your life |
| 17:24.27 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 17:25.03 | lcuk_2 | gps log april 14th 2008: connecting... |
| 17:25.08 | lcuk_2 | gps log april 14th 2023: still connecting... |
| 17:25.25 | KotCzarny | no sonny, you are not me sitting in your room, and that photo won't fool me |
| 17:25.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:25.26 | lcuk_2 | gps log april 14th 2053: hell, we are worse than real... |
| 17:26.31 | lcuk_2 | have you seen the fully depth perceptive camera - its built up of thousands of lenses so it can calc distance |
| 17:26.49 | KotCzarny | expensive? |
| 17:26.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:27.38 | lcuk_2 | http://in.news.yahoo.com/indiaabroad/20080320/r_t_ians_sc/tsc-amazing-super-3-d-camera-to-revoluti-1bdf89b.html |
| 17:27.39 | lcuk_2 | lol |
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| 17:28.50 | jott | just get a pmd camera.. it's not that expensive ;) |
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| 17:42.49 | darx_ | is there any device comparable to the n810 but with a gsm module? |
| 17:43.11 | KotCzarny | iphone |
| 17:43.25 | darx_ | anything else? |
| 17:43.26 | jott | htc universal |
| 17:43.29 | jott | with linux hacked |
| 17:43.31 | herzi | n810+cell phone |
| 17:44.15 | KotCzarny | there will be a bunch of smartphones soon |
| 17:44.16 | jott | openmoko with hurd kernel :P |
| 17:44.42 | jott | and duke nukem forever preinstalled :p |
| 17:44.52 | jott | neo freerunner more :) |
| 17:44.56 | darx_ | ha ha |
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| 17:46.50 | jott | but i guess htc universal is the only viable option at the moment... |
| 17:47.29 | edistar | neo freerunner will come out end april hopefully... ca. 90% certainty if you ask me :) |
| 17:48.10 | jott | let's hope battery lasts longer than a couple of hours then :) |
| 17:48.48 | edistar | jott: heh, atm it lasts 8h running afaik |
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| 17:52.36 | lcuk_2 | the throbbing led on the top left of an 810 - does the 800 have something similar? what does the 800 do if i coded it in? |
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| 17:53.08 | KotCzarny | n800 has dpad led too |
| 17:53.13 | KotCzarny | but only 1 color |
| 17:53.15 | jott | lcuk_2: n800 has just a blue one not a fancy rgb one |
| 17:53.21 | KotCzarny | and you can only control it's brightness |
| 17:53.34 | KotCzarny | and probably controls are different a little |
| 17:53.54 | lcuk_2 | hmm |
| 17:54.14 | lcuk_2 | screws up that idea and aims it at the bin |
| 17:54.19 | jott | hm an ambient light sensor would be fun :) |
| 17:54.56 | lcuk_2 | my 810 has same ambient sensor as 800 - its got a sticker over it |
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| 17:55.01 | jott | take a picture and take average color or some other statistical value and color the led by it :) |
| 17:55.12 | jott | i mean full ambient .) |
| 17:55.14 | jott | not just brightness |
| 17:55.55 | KotCzarny | for n800 you will have to drill a hole for a camera |
| 17:56.18 | lcuk_2 | or superglue the popout out |
| 17:56.43 | KotCzarny | nah, i hate if it will stick out all the time |
| 17:56.54 | KotCzarny | *would |
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| 18:05.20 | darx_ | wouldn't it have been sweet had the n810 had a gsm module? |
| 18:05.35 | darx_ | i'd kill someone just for that |
| 18:05.51 | kulve | buy one with usb interface.. |
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| 18:06.07 | KotCzarny | or just bt phone... |
| 18:06.10 | kulve | yeah |
| 18:06.11 | jott | or get a tiny bluetooth phone :) |
| 18:06.13 | lcuk_2 | even cleaner is just use a phone |
| 18:06.17 | kulve | I don't see any reason for a gsm module.. |
| 18:06.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 18:06.45 | lcuk_2 | technically it would be cool |
| 18:06.46 | darx_ | kulve: not just gsm data but even voice as well |
| 18:06.50 | darx_ | that would be bliss |
| 18:06.52 | KotCzarny | or if you really really must, but usb-pcmcia adapter and pcmcia gsm module |
| 18:06.52 | glass | built in umts would be handy |
| 18:06.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 18:07.21 | jott | or just do some neat hardware mod :) |
| 18:07.22 | lcuk_2 | i think the next model has to include something like this |
| 18:07.35 | darx_ | they won't do it |
| 18:07.36 | jott | probably wimax crap.. availability 0% :/ |
| 18:07.41 | darx_ | they hate us linux folks |
| 18:08.32 | darx_ | i don't think openmoko will ever come out. |
| 18:08.40 | darx_ | there is too much at stake for the networks |
| 18:08.45 | darx_ | they'd kill it |
| 18:08.46 | kulve | the neo freerunner is 2g, useless |
| 18:09.02 | darx_ | ah |
| 18:09.35 | lcuk_2 | havent google just won open access to some of the airwaves |
| 18:09.42 | darx_ | no they haven't |
| 18:10.14 | lcuk_2 | the clause is in place though - google didnt get the license but made the change required |
| 18:11.06 | darx_ | I think India is the only country where the people are free from the networks. |
| 18:11.29 | darx_ | nobody buys contract phones in india |
| 18:12.02 | darx_ | also they have quite a few state owned networks as well |
| 18:12.51 | lcuk_2 | heh http://cs.joensuu.fi/~mmeri/usbraid/ |
| 18:13.19 | jott | not as funny as the solaris zfs video :) |
| 18:13.35 | ||cw | lcuk_2: no, google just feels that their bid helped push the bid over the reserve for open access to be required |
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| 18:14.16 | ||cw | it very well may have happened wihtout google's bid though |
| 18:14.17 | lcuk_2 | so.. without google the bidding might not have gone over and access wouldnt be required.. |
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| 18:14.30 | ||cw | we'll never know |
| 18:14.36 | darx_ | ya |
| 18:14.47 | jott | lcuk_2: http://mediacast.sun.com/share/constantin/csi_muc_en.mp4 |
| 18:14.50 | ||cw | google is certainly taking the opportunity to pat themselves on the back though |
| 18:15.50 | jott | zfs is nice :) |
| 18:16.27 | lcuk_2 | well i'll know when it downloads, tho since this is irc i am also turning the volume down and preparing for the worst |
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| 18:17.08 | jott | nothing offensive.. it's promoted by sun :) |
| 18:17.18 | darx_ | lcuk_2: you can stream |
| 18:17.47 | lcuk_2 | yer, ff just offered save by default |
| 18:18.06 | darx_ | just open the link with a media player |
| 18:18.21 | lcuk_2 | plenty of bit space tho so it can live with my crap - its already half done now, no point in going over old ground |
| 18:18.29 | darx_ | cool |
| 18:18.55 | darx_ | dang.. it stutters for me when buffering. |
| 18:19.01 | lcuk_2 | lol.. |
| 18:19.02 | lcuk_2 | ill watch after tea :) |
| 18:19.10 | lcuk_2 | without stutter ;) |
| 18:21.25 | darx_ | its the server. they've rate limited it |
| 18:22.45 | jott | hmmm.. i get 1.3M/s from it :o |
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| 18:27.06 | darx_ | jott: maybe its just me |
| 18:27.21 | darx_ | :-P |
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| 18:45.14 | Lateralus | I'm a bit confused here, the menu icon I'm using has been changed with an updated package I installed, but the icon in the menu doesn't change, it's still an older smaller version. |
| 18:45.34 | Lateralus | through reboot, complete uninstall/reinstall rather than update, etc |
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| 18:45.57 | Lateralus | copying the icon file to .images and opening it in the image viewer shows it's the correct size |
| 18:47.20 | mgedmin | gtk has an icon cache, iirc |
| 18:47.28 | mgedmin | there's some command you can run to update it |
| 18:47.36 | mgedmin | I don't remember any specifics :( |
| 18:48.10 | Lateralus | gtk-update-icon-cache |
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| 18:52.41 | Lateralus | hmm, that command isnt changing anything |
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| 19:31.47 | KotCzarny | because you have to add -f dir |
| 19:31.48 | KotCzarny | to it |
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| 20:12.58 | jga23 | are there any apps that stream mms feeds? |
| 20:13.37 | doc|home | jga23: streamtuner |
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| 20:16.07 | unique311 | for those who like my artwork.... |
| 20:16.11 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=158472#post158472 |
| 20:16.35 | unique311 | mtpaint is ok... |
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| 20:22.38 | tharvey | I'm pretty new to maemo - I've read over the Maemo 4.0 tutorial and How-to but may have missed something - how do I build and flash the entire OS image (bootloader, kernel, initFS, RFS) from the Maemo SDK? |
| 20:23.47 | kulve | tharvey: can't do that |
| 20:24.04 | edistar | tharvey: you can only flash with the flasher program |
| 20:24.05 | KotCzarny | especially bootloader part |
| 20:24.09 | KotCzarny | it's closed source |
| 20:24.23 | kulve | and mostly is the initfs too |
| 20:24.31 | tharvey | ah... ok, kernel as well? |
| 20:24.34 | edistar | tharvey: you can flash a FIASCO image, which contains kernel, initfs, rootfs and 2 bins iirc |
| 20:24.37 | KotCzarny | kernel is open |
| 20:24.41 | KotCzarny | but has binary blobs |
| 20:25.00 | tharvey | edistar, whats a FIASCO image? |
| 20:25.01 | kulve | only the wlan related modules, but that doesn't limit much |
| 20:25.09 | edistar | tharvey: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage/ read here.. further down |
| 20:25.18 | kulve | fiasco is a blob containing the parts (kernel, rootfs, etc) |
| 20:25.45 | tharvey | cool ok |
| 20:25.47 | KotCzarny | you can also flash all of those parts separately |
| 20:25.53 | KotCzarny | ie. initfs/kernel/rootfs |
| 20:26.05 | kulve | can you build a fiasco the the open source 0xffff flasher? |
| 20:26.05 | edistar | tharvey: e.g. you could build an angstrom kernel/rootfs and flash it |
| 20:26.13 | tharvey | so the 'how to become root' thing talks about opening an Xterm - I assume you install xterm as a part of that correct? |
| 20:26.28 | KotCzarny | kulve: i used fanoush's script that simply uses mtdtools |
| 20:26.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:26.37 | edistar | tharvey: you install xterm later on, from the application manager |
| 20:26.51 | KotCzarny | tharvey: you will be better off with ssh server |
| 20:26.52 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:27.31 | edistar | tharvey: to become root use the gainroot or change the /etc/sudoers file so that you can sudo -i whenever needed |
| 20:27.35 | tharvey | ssh server is cool... I'll do it that way. Right now for some reason I can't get WiFi access so I'm just reading/taking notes until I can get to a different AP |
| 20:27.54 | KotCzarny | ad-hoc wifi doesn't work? |
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| 20:28.39 | edistar | does r&d mode use more battery life? |
| 20:28.46 | tharvey | so I'm trying to understand - maemo is the OS that Nokia ships on these right? So its 'open' but not entirely (ie closed bootloader, some kernel/fs obs closed) - so is gaining root 'hacking' the device or is it just part of the openess of the tablet? |
| 20:29.01 | edistar | tharvey: well.. it's kind of hacking |
| 20:29.25 | edistar | tharvey: there isn't an official statement by nokia how to do it |
| 20:29.27 | tharvey | KotCzarny, well, I can associate with an AP in my office with WEP, but strangely I can't open any web pages... not sure whats up with it - was going to try another AP in case our office one is bunged up |
| 20:29.43 | KotCzarny | tharvey: maybe it's your ap config? |
| 20:29.51 | edistar | tharvey: I guess it's DNS.. |
| 20:29.52 | KotCzarny | or office firewall? |
| 20:30.04 | tharvey | KotCzarny, thats what I'm assuming - and I don't have access to the AP - so I'll try mine at home |
| 20:30.11 | edistar | I once had my n770 not update the nameserver |
| 20:30.14 | KotCzarny | try pinging by ip |
| 20:30.26 | KotCzarny | ap and some outher sites |
| 20:30.30 | edistar | KotCzarny: don't you need to be root to ping? |
| 20:30.38 | KotCzarny | i don't know |
| 20:30.42 | edistar | ok.. |
| 20:30.46 | KotCzarny | depends how ping is installed |
| 20:30.56 | KotCzarny | if it's suid .. |
| 20:30.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:31.21 | edistar | my n770 is not functioning right now.. angstrom image that doesn't recognize touchscreen :P but I'm build a different kernel right now.. so I can't test ping |
| 20:31.37 | edistar | KotCzarny: I think the user doesn't have it in $PATH |
| 20:31.40 | edistar | but I don't know |
| 20:32.40 | tharvey | thanks for the info peeps! |
| 20:32.54 | KotCzarny | is a cat, not a peep. |
| 20:32.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:38.30 | Tama^2 | Hello |
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| 21:20.58 | wom- | anyone with knowledge of python, gui app and hildonized toolbar? |
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| 21:23.01 | yllus | aloha, tablet comrades |
| 21:23.32 | Navi | Hi |
| 21:24.17 | yllus | Anyone playing with the Canola 2 beta? I get a "ImportError: libXfixes.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" error and was wondering if anyone had an idea of how to fix this |
| 21:24.40 | KotCzarny | what os? |
| 21:25.02 | yllus | IT2006 |
| 21:25.05 | yllus | Using a N770 |
| 21:25.19 | KotCzarny | that could explain libs incompatibility |
| 21:25.45 | KotCzarny | maybe you should try os2008he ? |
| 21:25.46 | yllus | That's a shame, I was really looking forward to Canola 2 |
| 21:26.06 | KotCzarny | maybe they have version for 2006 too? |
| 21:26.35 | yllus | They definitely list IT2006 compatibility: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install.html |
| 21:27.00 | KotCzarny | then maybe you downloaded wrong version? |
| 21:27.07 | KotCzarny | or they miscompiled it? |
| 21:27.20 | yllus | yeah, possible I guess :) I'll write in the Canola forum |
| 21:27.33 | KotCzarny | os2006 is quite old.. |
| 21:28.22 | yllus | I have a pretty nice card boot and customization set up, I'm trying not to go through the pain of a reflash unless I have to :) |
| 21:28.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:34.42 | KotCzarny | bread band |
| 21:36.17 | edistar | yllus: canola is a little slow on the n770 |
| 21:36.23 | maba | hey all.. I have a small question (if there's anyone here who can answer it) |
| 21:36.42 | edistar | yllus: and it2007he looks much cooler on the n770 :) |
| 21:36.47 | yllus | hehe |
| 21:36.50 | edistar | maba: go ahead |
| 21:37.04 | maba | I'm creating a deb package for a project I'm working on, and it depends on libsoup.. how can I make the application manager install libsoup? |
| 21:37.15 | maba | I have libsoup listed as a dependency in the control file |
| 21:37.16 | KotCzarny | just depend on it? |
| 21:37.30 | edistar | maba: then it should install it |
| 21:37.33 | yllus | I don't mind slow too much, I just want it to install :O |
| 21:37.34 | KotCzarny | apt-get should install all deps if they're available |
| 21:37.41 | maba | yes, it should |
| 21:37.47 | maba | but it doesn't :) |
| 21:37.56 | maba | maybe cause libsoup is a system package? |
| 21:37.58 | KotCzarny | then maybe it's not available in defined repos |
| 21:41.16 | maba | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libs/libsoup/ |
| 21:41.20 | maba | it's there |
| 21:41.26 | KotCzarny | extras isn't enabled by default |
| 21:41.39 | maba | but it's enabled on my device :) |
| 21:42.03 | maba | and my package is installable if I enable red pill mode, install libsoup manually and then install my package |
| 21:45.22 | maba | maybe if I'm depending on a package that isn't in the user section, I have to create a .install file? |
| 21:45.25 | maba | or something |
| 21:45.39 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 21:45.46 | KotCzarny | or just add info on your site |
| 21:45.52 | KotCzarny | or just build statically |
| 21:45.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:46.39 | maba | KotCzarny: not very user friendly to have the user enable red pill mode and all that :) |
| 21:47.04 | KotCzarny | as i said, just link that lib statically |
| 21:47.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.15 | KotCzarny | or repackage it |
| 21:47.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:47.24 | doc|home | KotCzarny: it's not meant to be user friendly. It's not supported and may break stuff |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | or nag author to put it into user/ section |
| 21:47.41 | maba | well, it should be doable in another way |
| 21:48.22 | maba | I guess libsoup isn't that usable on its own |
| 21:48.39 | maba | so it shouldn't be in the user section |
| 21:51.19 | maba | so, noone with a _real_ solution? :) |
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| 21:59.31 | yllus | aha, this probably explains it: Failed to fetch http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/repository-beta2/770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 21:59.39 | yllus | Anyone know the proper URL? |
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| 22:09.35 | KaaLi | hi |
| 22:10.37 | KaaLi | problem with rdesktop.. possible to get any other keyboard layot to it... it has US one i think.. i could use finnish.. |
| 22:12.09 | ||cw | doens't it just use what the host uses? |
| 22:14.49 | KaaLi | nope... if i type to web browser it uses finnish layout |
| 22:15.04 | KaaLi | like / is hard to use with that rdesktop |
| 22:15.10 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:15.37 | KaaLi | and any oher mix |
| 22:15.51 | KaaLi | other key from mixed kb.. :D |
| 22:15.52 | KotCzarny | can you switch desktop to us kb? |
| 22:16.25 | KotCzarny | and i think you can set tablet to finnish kb too |
| 22:17.15 | KaaLi | i thik it uses finnish layout cuz it gives keys out it suppose to.. everywhere else but in rdesktop |
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| 22:17.35 | KotCzarny | you can try vnc.. |
| 22:17.36 | KaaLi | rdesktop uses US layout for some reason |
| 22:17.52 | KotCzarny | if anything else fails :) |
| 22:17.55 | KaaLi | sure i can.. but it requires installin server |
| 22:18.08 | KotCzarny | tightvnc is a free one |
| 22:18.11 | KotCzarny | and easy to setup |
| 22:18.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:18.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I really wonder what's going on with texrat and his internal blogging. |
| 22:25.59 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=7K4veJMCM_Q Nokia R&D showing off accelerated OpenGL ES on N810, 2:06 and 2:09-2:13 in the video |
| 22:26.09 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 22:26.29 | KotCzarny | but it was posted already? |
| 22:26.37 | pupnik | yeah some ppl might have missed it |
| 22:26.44 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 22:26.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:26.47 | glass | i missed it |
| 22:26.51 | glass | very nice |
| 22:26.54 | KotCzarny | pupnik: start a blog? :> |
| 22:27.07 | glass | i'm here so i don't need to read blogs |
| 22:27.37 | pupnik | glass, so how do we get them to share it? :) |
| 22:27.57 | glass | pupnik: dunno. violence pops to mind |
| 22:28.01 | pupnik | hahahaha |
| 22:28.09 | KotCzarny | violence against international corp? |
| 22:28.11 | KotCzarny | bad idea |
| 22:28.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:28.29 | pupnik | Well i will write a begging email now |
| 22:28.44 | glass | a little letter bomb always brings things to attention |
| 22:29.02 | KotCzarny | or uploads all their harddrives to p2p |
| 22:29.23 | glass | hah |
| 22:30.01 | lcuk_2 | it doesnt ring true that all processing is occuring on the 810 -> the sketch app displays at fullscreen without showing maemo borders. the ogl anim is full detailed on big screen and laughably simple on maemo |
| 22:30.44 | lcuk_2 | i think its a set of mirrored programs running on a proper machine rather than hard processing for 2 displays |
| 22:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | The PowerVR is either in the USB dongle or the dongle on the TV. |
| 22:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | As far as I've been able to gather, anyway. |
| 22:33.33 | KotCzarny | lcuk: still, could be a nice app to have |
| 22:33.48 | KotCzarny | especially if they add divx decoding :> |
| 22:34.21 | lcuk_2 | at the start he plugs it into the standard nokia usb cable which (i assume) goes into a usb hub on the monitor (or under it). the monitor data cable itself falls to the ground as if it was going to a tower box - if he just connected it into a usb display dongle the monitor data cable would curl back up into the dongle |
| 22:35.43 | lcuk_2 | (incidentally, i sit my nokia under the monitor like that) |
| 22:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | I was going on more what was said than random crap from the YouTube video. :P |
| 22:35.56 | pupnik | lcuk_2: your analysis looks correct. Also the resolutions of the scrolling images in the picture viewer are different |
| 22:35.57 | KotCzarny | http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/fiona/general/gateway_jeff_final._V9648910_.jpg |
| 22:35.58 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:36.24 | Tama^2 | I think it's funny that there is allegedly not enough bandwidth to use the on board powerVR but something like that is attempted |
| 22:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | Why, Tama^2? |
| 22:38.02 | Cptnodegard | does canola have a file limit or is it just retarded by default? |
| 22:38.07 | lcuk_2 | the framebuffer sits in regular memory, if we can fill that memory with data from anywhere it canl be displayed. its resolution can be altered to anything reasonable and the lcd handles it fine. it handles plenty of formats. nokia, why cant we have the .ko intended for the powervr? |
| 22:38.23 | Tama^2 | because I feel the hardware is so badly broken I am disappointed |
| 22:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard, the term you're looking for is "beta". |
| 22:38.44 | pupnik | for the price of a kindle i'd take a N800 plus kbd |
| 22:38.48 | Tama^2 | external display is cool.. .but I want a fully working unit before I want nice extras available |
| 22:38.49 | Cptnodegard | it keeps updating just some of the music in the watched folder |
| 22:39.11 | yllus | General Antilles? Nice to see that Wedge got a promotion or two |
| 22:39.21 | lcuk_2 | pup, so you would also be happy if it worked in black and white then? :D |
| 22:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | Extended universe, yllus. |
| 22:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, it's not like they can do anything about the bandwidth issues after manufacture |
| 22:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | and these guys don't really have anything to do with Nokia proper. |
| 22:40.28 | yllus | I only got through the first bunch of books. When they introduced the dude who stole the Sun Crusher... meh. |
| 22:40.51 | Tama^2 | I know, mine is just "the cry of the disappointed geek"(tm) |
| 22:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | N900 will fix all. |
| 22:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | I know it. :D |
| 22:41.11 | edistar | GeneralAntilles: will it have gsm? |
| 22:41.20 | GeneralAntilles | I fucking hope not. |
| 22:41.27 | edistar | :D |
| 22:41.29 | KotCzarny | it's not even announced |
| 22:41.31 | lcuk_2 | actually gen, the bandwidth isnt that much of a problem. running games at a lower resolution than your desktop has NEVER been seen as a bad thing - its almost expected. at lower res there is plenty of bandwidth |
| 22:41.37 | Tama^2 | yeah, right GA. it will bring world peace as well ;) |
| 22:41.46 | Navi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.13 | Navi | Everyone knows Nokia is capable of manufacturing peace from their assembly lines |
| 22:42.14 | lcuk_2 | 400*480 is a super compromise and still better than iphone |
| 22:42.17 | yllus | yes. Airdrop N900s into the Gaza Strip and watch the love bloom |
| 22:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, well, we really don't know what kind of issues the setup they're using introduce to getting the PowerVR to run properly. |
| 22:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, I've never considered resolution reduction a viable performance compromise on MY computer. :P |
| 22:43.10 | lcuk_2 | thats a nice 320*200 desktop you must like to use then ;) |
| 22:43.29 | Navi | :/ |
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| 22:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | Er . . . sure. :\ |
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| 22:43.55 | lcuk_2 | powervr is just another coprocessor like the dsp |
| 22:44.03 | KotCzarny | it seems like Nokia will introduce a WiMAX-enabled version on April 1 at CTIA. So claims Boy Genius and his tipsters |
| 22:44.05 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:44.14 | KotCzarny | april 1st is a bad time to announce anything |
| 22:44.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:44.31 | lcuk_2 | it works well on the iphone, on the other n series devices and in lots of other places. why not here? |
| 22:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | We've been over this before. :P |
| 22:45.06 | Jsoet | does anyone know, when you're using the scratchbox environment, are you able to connect to the internet using it? Or do you need to use an actual device? |
| 22:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, anyway, especially with LCDs, resolution reduction is pretty stupid. |
| 22:45.37 | lcuk_2 | and i will probably keep going over it until it gets attention. it really gets my goat that for no technical reason something which could make a dramatic difference to the user experience is left off |
| 22:45.39 | KotCzarny | jsoet: as long hosting machine is connected, then yes |
| 22:45.55 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, i bet you cant even SEE one pixel properly |
| 22:45.58 | GeneralAntilles | Reducing quality settings is both more effective and less of a quality impact. |
| 22:46.08 | Jsoet | Like when I try and connect using the conic library it just sends me a disconnected event saying that nothing was wrong and that it's just disconnected... is there something else I have to do other than just request a connection? |
| 22:46.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: there's a difference seeing hires vid and pixeldoubled one |
| 22:46.23 | pupnik | lcuk_2: you're right, the GL apps on the N810 are only displaying a few polygons - i.e. the whale is displayed but no sharks, and there is only one building showin on the rotating green rectangle at 2:09 |
| 22:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lcuk_2, that kind of the point of having a high DPI. |
| 22:46.25 | KotCzarny | noticeable |
| 22:47.26 | fysa | so where do I get NoBounds? |
| 22:47.29 | KotCzarny | jsoet: hum, does it depend on some service running? |
| 22:47.50 | Tama^2 | I honestly care little about 3D games or animations. I just want a smooth UI and no tearing |
| 22:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | Running an LCD at non-native resolutions just plain looks like shit. |
| 22:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that you wont get with this hardware, Tama^2. :P |
| 22:48.20 | pupnik | looks fine with mplayer GeneralAntilles |
| 22:48.20 | Tama^2 | so I can read without my eyes hurting |
| 22:48.42 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, 400*480 isnt really none native, it just makes slightly fatter squarer pixels |
| 22:48.45 | GeneralAntilles | Videos are different, pupnik. |
| 22:48.46 | pupnik | Tama^2: yes some solution for faster scrolling of pages would be nice |
| 22:49.27 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: pixel doubled games look fine to me also :/ |
| 22:49.35 | GeneralAntilles | My point was re your belief that resolution reduction is a viable method of performance compromise. :P |
| 22:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, any resolution that isn't divided by 2. |
| 22:49.54 | lcuk_2 | for gaming it is |
| 22:49.54 | Tama^2 | pup: I would be even ready to accept 400x480 (with hw doubling) as standard if it helped |
| 22:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | 1 pixel for 4 is fine |
| 22:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | but 1 pixel for 2.5 looks like crap. |
| 22:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | As the pixel edges get messed up. |
| 22:50.54 | pupnik | Yes, and who wants to read lo-res text - not me |
| 22:51.13 | Navi | Tama^2++ |
| 22:51.20 | Tama^2 | O.o |
| 22:51.31 | Tama^3 | :) |
| 22:51.39 | Navi | :/ |
| 22:51.51 | Tama^3 | you plus-plussed me :P |
| 22:51.52 | KotCzarny | no, it would be tama*tama*tama |
| 22:52.01 | Navi | (Tama^2)++ |
| 22:52.04 | Tama^3 | I know I know |
| 22:52.11 | lcuk_2 | then write the desktop to use full 800*480 YCbCr |
| 22:52.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: xgl ? |
| 22:52.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:52.33 | lcuk_2 | xgl would be great with the pvr |
| 22:53.11 | lcuk_2 | xv works now natively and has enough bandwidth to get a frame displayed, but there is a point if you feed it data too slowly it will tear - feed it even more and it drops frame smoothly |
| 22:53.13 | KotCzarny | getting metacity with wobble and rest of eyecandies running would rock |
| 22:53.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:53.35 | lcuk_2 | yes, the iphone interface works because the pvr does the blitting |
| 22:53.48 | pupnik | and smooth as glass scrolling of webpages would be nice |
| 22:53.53 | fysa | webkit |
| 22:54.08 | lcuk_2 | glass scrolling is available now :) |
| 22:54.13 | KotCzarny | how about horizontal-lens zoom like? |
| 22:54.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:55.37 | lcuk_2 | quickie, if i was just going to send a zip out with an exe a font and an example document where would you normally put it to test it? i know it wont run if extracted into mmc2 because thats not executable fs. |
| 22:55.46 | lcuk_2 | horiz lens? |
| 22:56.20 | edistar | lcuk_2: where is glass scrolling? |
| 22:56.21 | KotCzarny | lcuk, zoomed in the centre, zoomed out ad the top/bottom |
| 22:56.47 | lcuk_2 | ive been copying all my exes to /usr/bin/liq/.... but where would you run them from? |
| 22:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | Windows user. :P |
| 22:57.13 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.14 | yllus | hey, neat. While I wasn't looking someone came out with "quiver". Now I'm going to have to use my 770 as a digital photo frame. |
| 22:57.15 | lcuk_2 | edistar - its in that folder at present, i want to zip up a test app to send out |
| 22:57.19 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.51 | lcuk_2 | but its got the data along side it - this wont be installable, thats a whole other bridge to cross |
| 22:58.03 | KotCzarny | use a config file |
| 22:58.16 | KotCzarny | and make dep to put correct line into it |
| 22:58.20 | KotCzarny | at the install time |
| 22:58.36 | KotCzarny | that way binary can read it and it can be changed by user later |
| 22:58.43 | lcuk_2 | would people rather i spent another few days learning about config files or would you like to see and try a little test? |
| 22:59.01 | edistar | lcuk_2: test |
| 22:59.17 | KotCzarny | lcuk: they wouldn't have to learn anything |
| 22:59.26 | KotCzarny | you can prepare config file and put it into the package |
| 22:59.31 | Navi | it only takes like an hour |
| 22:59.38 | KotCzarny | or just add echo line into postinstall |
| 22:59.40 | Navi | that is, if you're slow >_> |
| 22:59.55 | lcuk_2 | whoa now, i cant install anything |
| 23:00.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:00.25 | Navi | How uh, what's glass scrolling :/ |
| 23:00.26 | lcuk_2 | i have ZERO knowledge of this alien filesystem at present and i dunno what to do to get it started, i have been looking at other matters |
| 23:00.31 | Navi | s/How/Now/ |
| 23:00.38 | Navi | Ooh, forgot about the bot |
| 23:00.42 | lcuk_2 | full 27fps fullscreen scrolling :) |
| 23:00.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk: learn from exampless |
| 23:00.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:00.52 | lcuk_2 | lots to learn |
| 23:00.58 | KotCzarny | just unpack some other deb |
| 23:01.26 | Navi | /usr/local/ is like /usr/, but made for unmanaged stuff (self-built stuff and such) |
| 23:01.59 | Navi | well, it can be used for anything :P |
| 23:02.39 | Jsoet | KotCzarny: I looked into it a bit and I guess libconic isn't implemented on scratchbox: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=1597 thanks for your help though |
| 23:02.52 | lcuk_2 | ive never done anything like this before - i have install shield to do everything :S |
| 23:03.36 | KotCzarny | jsoet: oh, ok |
| 23:05.18 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i believe load-applet has some postinstall scripts |
| 23:05.25 | KotCzarny | you can steal them |
| 23:05.26 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:06.34 | lcuk_2 | i dont wanna install anything - its expecting data to be in same folder and i dont wanna pollute any standard folders |
| 23:06.55 | KotCzarny | lcuk: then just use /usr/local/etc |
| 23:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, learn about POSIX. :P |
| 23:06.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:06.56 | lcuk_2 | is really nervous about putting stuff onto others computers |
| 23:07.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: one note, /usr/local is for testing and everything that comes without packages |
| 23:07.40 | KotCzarny | if you prepare correct package it should use /usr |
| 23:08.04 | KotCzarny | so meak your app install to /usr/local/{etc,bin,share} |
| 23:08.33 | KotCzarny | *make |
| 23:08.55 | KotCzarny | for example /usr/local/bin/lcuk1 |
| 23:09.05 | KotCzarny | and /usr/local/share/lcuk1/ |
| 23:09.24 | KotCzarny | and system wide config in /usr/local/etc/lcuk1.conf |
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| 23:09.59 | lcuk_2 | but thats system wide for the current user? |
| 23:10.04 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:10.05 | KotCzarny | for all |
| 23:10.14 | KotCzarny | for current user it's ~/ |
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| 23:10.18 | lcuk_2 | so why is it usr/ ? |
| 23:10.28 | KotCzarny | don't ask me. |
| 23:10.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:10.40 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.46 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.54 | KotCzarny | and contains no system critical stuff |
| 23:11.06 | lcuk_2 | user space modules - anything outside the kernel |
| 23:11.14 | lcuk_2 | remembers something |
| 23:11.19 | KotCzarny | but usually /usr and / is on the same fs |
| 23:11.25 | KotCzarny | and nothing is mounted anymore |
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| 23:11.35 | lcuk_2 | so where deos the actual logged in user live? |
| 23:11.36 | KotCzarny | but general rule still is valid |
| 23:11.41 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.50 | KotCzarny | it's expanded to user's dir |
| 23:11.56 | KotCzarny | which is defined in /etc/password |
| 23:12.07 | yllus | If I'm network connected on my tablet, is there a path I can use to access a Windows share? |
| 23:12.09 | KotCzarny | but shell knows how to expand ~ to that variable |
| 23:12.18 | lcuk_2 | /etc/lcuk/ you mean? |
| 23:12.22 | KotCzarny | no |
| 23:12.26 | lcuk_2 | actual password? |
| 23:12.30 | KotCzarny | do: cat /etc/passwd |
| 23:12.44 | KotCzarny | you will see bunch of lines, field separator is ':' |
| 23:13.21 | KotCzarny | it's: login:pass:uid:guid:info:home_dir:default_shell |
| 23:13.47 | KotCzarny | on modern systems pass is hidden and stored elsewhere though |
| 23:13.54 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.20 | lcuk_2 | thanks gen :) that makes life simpler, i had just found it in the list but you hit the spot |
| 23:14.35 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but it's wrong to hardcode it |
| 23:14.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:15.00 | lcuk_2 | that user list though, if i wanted to login as any (with ssh) and knew the password that would work wouldnt it |
| 23:15.20 | lcuk_2 | and the links would map themselves correctly - ie this ~ you are talking about |
| 23:15.34 | KotCzarny | ~ is expanded in shell |
| 23:15.57 | KotCzarny | but it uses /etc/passwd to get that path |
| 23:16.26 | lcuk_2 | so if i am expecting my software to store profile data i could expect it to have a file "~/liq/options" or similar? |
| 23:16.30 | KotCzarny | shell usually predefines $HOME variable too |
| 23:17.07 | KotCzarny | if it's a simple config you can use ~/.liq.conf or ~/.liqrc |
| 23:17.42 | KotCzarny | and you can get user's HOME from env |
| 23:17.44 | lcuk_2 | ahhh yes, i am looking via winssh now :) |
| 23:17.54 | KotCzarny | (in c) |
| 23:18.02 | lcuk_2 | thats where game scores etc are kept :) |
| 23:18.40 | KotCzarny | and . at the beginning means dir is 'hidden' |
| 23:18.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | ~/.liq/ |
| 23:18.55 | lcuk_2 | or file :) |
| 23:18.59 | KotCzarny | or file |
| 23:19.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:19.06 | GeneralAntilles | ~/.liqrc maybe |
| 23:20.28 | lcuk_2 | ./liqreader |
| 23:20.36 | lcuk_2 | ~/.liqreader |
| 23:21.16 | lcuk_2 | hopes all this magically sets itself up automagically soon, it hurts my head |
| 23:21.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:21.44 | KotCzarny | write a function to get HOME variable from startup environment |
| 23:22.20 | KotCzarny | for a start |
| 23:22.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | Windows user! :P |
| 23:22.54 | Navi | macfag |
| 23:23.03 | lcuk_2 | but would a mac user know any better? dont they just put a folder full of files somewhere and use that |
| 23:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the Mac user. |
| 23:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | I would know better. :P |
| 23:23.30 | KotCzarny | lcuk: mac is *nixed nowadays |
| 23:23.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | Apple lickableness plus BSD's win. |
| 23:23.49 | KotCzarny | so they have ~/Desktop and stuff too |
| 23:23.55 | KotCzarny | i guess |
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| 23:25.37 | KotCzarny | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/02/19/wi_fi_triangulation |
| 23:25.39 | KotCzarny | nice idea |
| 23:25.53 | KotCzarny | especially if those aps are open |
| 23:25.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 23:30.31 | pupnik | Is it possible for non-umpc hardware to do mesh networking? |
| 23:30.41 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:31.02 | pupnik | wouldn't it require more than one wlan adapter? |
| 23:31.10 | lcuk_2 | mine connects to adhoc wifi :) |
| 23:31.12 | KotCzarny | why? |
| 23:31.25 | KotCzarny | store&send isn't enough? |
| 23:31.34 | pupnik | you can't have a mesh when each node can only connect to one.. ahh |
| 23:31.59 | KotCzarny | but in adhoc it's one-to-many |
| 23:32.00 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 23:32.13 | lcuk_2 | you could, but you would be faster just giving the guy a floppy disk |
| 23:34.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:34.45 | KotCzarny | full screen virtual x + chroot, and using maemo only for booting :> |
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