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| 00:05.56 | Firebird8 | hi, i just replaced some icons on my N810 but they won't change to the new ones.. any ideas why? |
| 00:06.10 | KotCzarny | icon cache |
| 00:06.17 | KotCzarny | there was a command to rebuild it |
| 00:06.28 | Firebird8 | ah |
| 00:06.34 | KotCzarny | gtk-something -f /usr/share/icons/hi-color/ |
| 00:06.37 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 00:07.04 | Firebird8 | got it |
| 00:07.33 | Firebird8 | thanks |
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| 00:18.14 | Lubomir | hello |
| 00:18.58 | Lubomir | is it possible to connect an 3g data card over usb and use it for internet radio or just browsing in the internet? |
| 00:19.17 | KotCzarny | data card? what's that? |
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| 00:20.35 | MangoFusion | anyone here happen to be using safari 3.1 on mac/windows yet? |
| 00:20.43 | pto | I need a hint; on my N800 I like to start a graphical framebuffer application rather than the Maemo/Nokia window manager as the default. I.e. I dont want maemo-launcher |
| 00:20.58 | pto | Where can I hack this in OS2008? |
| 00:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | Lubomir, a 3g card will get you anything internet related |
| 00:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | the hard part is getting the drivers setup. |
| 00:21.20 | KotCzarny | disable hw watchdog and explore /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 00:21.33 | pto | I guess that there are similar files as /etc/inittab and /etc/rc.local |
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| 00:22.25 | Lubomir | GeneralAntilles, does the N800/N810 support those cards? |
| 00:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | Search on ITT |
| 00:22.36 | Lubomir | what kernel is on that devices? |
| 00:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't bothered to investigate |
| 00:22.43 | Lubomir | ITT=? |
| 00:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | as I just tether |
| 00:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | internettablettalk.com |
| 00:23.44 | pto | KotCzarny: /etc/rc2.d seems fine - I can do this, but the hw watchdog - what/where is this? |
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| 00:23.59 | Lubomir | the perfect thing were getting gentoo linux compiled on that device. then i dont need any more an expencive umpc with x86 cpu ^^ |
| 00:24.15 | KotCzarny | pto: process that keeps kernel from rebooting |
| 00:24.33 | pto | ok |
| 00:25.02 | KotCzarny | i think it also watches some crucial tasks |
| 00:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | Debian's armel port is much much farther along than Gentoo's. |
| 00:26.09 | Lubomir | there is a port of debian to that device? |
| 00:26.41 | pto | Debian on N800? |
| 00:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 00:26.47 | pto | oooh |
| 00:26.51 | Navi | :/ |
| 00:26.51 | Lubomir | but when there were ANY chance to get gentoo on it, i would do that. Then i will went tomorrow in the city and buy the n810 :-D |
| 00:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know of anybody putting much work into getting Gentoo going specifically for the N8x0s |
| 00:27.23 | MangoFusion | gentoo on an IT? you'd kill your tablet within the first week! |
| 00:27.24 | jott | well there are chances to run any linux distribution that more or less supports arm on it :) |
| 00:27.25 | KotCzarny | getting gentoo on it is not a problem, drivers are :> |
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| 00:27.56 | Lubomir | MangoFusion, why? |
| 00:28.16 | jott | all distributions (but os200x) have the same problem.. drivers and power management... |
| 00:28.19 | MangoFusion | well for one you'd wear out the flash from all the compiling. then the processor would blow up |
| 00:28.27 | Lubomir | KotCzarny, why? I have gentoo running on my tablet pc here ;-) |
| 00:28.30 | MangoFusion | though that is just a theory ;) |
| 00:28.37 | KotCzarny | lubomir: drivers are binary blobs |
| 00:28.38 | Toma- | Im trying to launch the app-launcher python-efl example but i get a "failed to load edje" error. is this a known problem? |
| 00:28.38 | jott | MangoFusion: you do not need to compile everything ON the device |
| 00:28.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:29.28 | Lubomir | i do not need to compile everything in the device. i can do cross-compiling |
| 00:30.41 | Lubomir | KotCzarny, what drivers exactly? |
| 00:31.04 | KotCzarny | at least wifi |
| 00:31.49 | Lubomir | KotCzarny, wifi ist not so important, because i wanted to use my own usb wifi card |
| 00:31.58 | Lubomir | something else? |
| 00:32.07 | jott | power management |
| 00:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | bme/dsme |
| 00:32.15 | KotCzarny | jott mentioned power management |
| 00:32.16 | jott | your device will just live an hour or so :) |
| 00:32.54 | KotCzarny | jott: but using nokia's kernel will help that? |
| 00:33.02 | Lubomir | jott, that can be solved with external battery with nokia power connector until i get that workin |
| 00:33.07 | KotCzarny | or it's userspace controlled? |
| 00:33.12 | jott | it's userspace |
| 00:33.16 | jott | initfs |
| 00:33.30 | Lubomir | would like to use an normal 2.6.25 kernel ;-) |
| 00:33.51 | jott | well if you use the underlying stuff (i.e. bme and umac kernel module) you can run pretty much everything |
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| 00:34.19 | jott | like in userspace |
| 00:35.16 | jott | well getting wifi with other kernel versions should be do-able with the binary umac blob |
| 00:35.23 | jott | but bme is more serious |
| 00:38.07 | jott | the question is, what do you expect from the device? or what do you want to do with it.. |
| 00:39.04 | Lubomir | jott, would the installation be like that? boot from usb, insert an 16GB SDHC card, load an sparc kernel and an sparc stage3 (is that the correct one for arm?), compile my things on the device, ready ? |
| 00:39.19 | jott | arm is arm :) |
| 00:39.31 | jott | just follow the debian wiki entry. |
| 00:39.42 | jott | it should apply to pretty much every arm based distribution at large |
| 00:40.05 | jott | though arm in gentoo is quite unmaintained last time i checked |
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| 00:41.09 | Lubomir | jott, i want to play with linux on the way. in my car, i want to connect an usb hsdpa card that is connected to an external umts antenna and hear internet-radio (do that at the moment with my n95 connected to the car-radio). Also i want to use and external bluetooth mouse and keyboard and use openoffice at univerity on that device |
| 00:41.38 | jott | you can do pretty much of all this with os2008 :) |
| 00:41.53 | Lubomir | yes? |
| 00:42.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:42.08 | Lubomir | i would miss my layman,portage,... |
| 00:42.09 | jott | well don't know about the usb card but gentoo wouldn't help there :) |
| 00:42.10 | Lubomir | ^^ |
| 00:42.30 | jott | yeah well apt is not that bad ;) |
| 00:42.33 | shackan | not sure about openoffice |
| 00:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | Just tether to the N95 |
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| 00:42.56 | jott | oo runs ok via vnc/rdp/x forwarding |
| 00:43.11 | jott | or use abiword :) |
| 00:43.15 | jott | on the device |
| 00:43.16 | GeneralAntilles | Or KDE |
| 00:43.20 | jott | or kde |
| 00:43.28 | jott | and koffice |
| 00:43.29 | Lubomir | GeneralAntilles, i want an external antenna, because with the n95 i do not have such a stable connection |
| 00:43.31 | shackan | actually, there's no way you can run openoffice there |
| 00:44.06 | jott | shackan: "no way" is probably untrue... |
| 00:44.19 | Lubomir | is there not just an gcc where i can run "make" and wait 1day and i have that on there? |
| 00:44.19 | jott | not convenient / not fast maybe.. |
| 00:44.26 | Toma- | is there anyway to scrap maemo/hildon off a 770? |
| 00:44.35 | Toma- | and replace it with just X? |
| 00:44.43 | jott | Lubomir: you have scratchbox, or you could use openembedded |
| 00:44.54 | jott | you can also install gcc on the device |
| 00:45.29 | jott | it's pretty much a linux device with a couple of closed source blobs.. |
| 00:45.58 | Lubomir | i think i will buy an n810 and play a bit with it after i have written the 3 tests at the university at the end of that month |
| 00:46.05 | Lubomir | ;-) |
| 00:46.06 | jott | Toma-: maemo/hildon uses X :) |
| 00:46.19 | KotCzarny | lubomir: you can start playing with scratchbox now |
| 00:46.27 | KotCzarny | and actually test the programs |
| 00:46.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:46.34 | Toma- | jott? i see there are some watchdog processes that make sure hildon gets up and running tho? |
| 00:46.55 | jott | just disable the watchdog .. it's annoying anyway ;) |
| 00:47.18 | KotCzarny | jott: yeah, hw reset would be nicer ;) |
| 00:47.36 | Lubomir | jott, i see you are one of the helper/devs of the debian on n8x0 project ^^ |
| 00:48.06 | Lubomir | oh, sound do not work? |
| 00:48.10 | jott | well i did some poking.. but did not have the time to dig much further.. |
| 00:48.28 | Lubomir | but i hope an external usb sound card of a2dp is working |
| 00:48.36 | Lubomir | or,not of |
| 00:49.07 | Lubomir | then i can just conect to the bluetooth radio in the car |
| 00:50.21 | jott | well if you want to have a (linux) device you can "just use" (and may do some extra hacking) the stock os2008 is quite ok |
| 00:51.10 | jott | if you want to poke and play around (getting debian/gentoo/whatever on it) - well you can always do this but it all need quite a bit of work ;) |
| 00:51.46 | Lubomir | jott, can i "destroy" the device with such playing? |
| 00:52.01 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 00:52.02 | jott | as long as the bootloader is fine there should be no problem |
| 00:52.06 | KotCzarny | unless you erase bootloader |
| 00:52.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:52.22 | Lubomir | jott, is the bootloader an normal grub in mdr? |
| 00:52.26 | KotCzarny | but flashing kernel/initfs/rootfs won't do it |
| 00:52.37 | jott | no its some embedded loader |
| 00:52.55 | Lubomir | no grub possible? |
| 00:53.00 | jott | but if you just use normal flash tool to upload kernel/rootfs/initfs its all fine |
| 00:53.01 | KotCzarny | lubomir: and you can play safe by installing fanoush boot menu and booting to mmc |
| 00:53.06 | lcuk | so if you borken all the flash totally no matter what the boot loader will still fire? |
| 00:53.25 | KotCzarny | lcuk: boot loader is the first 128kb of builtin flash |
| 00:53.59 | lcuk | is it user modifiable? |
| 00:54.02 | jott | and there is always serial/jtag to do serious repair work ;p |
| 00:54.04 | Lubomir | i think an normal grub also do not take much more space |
| 00:54.16 | KotCzarny | lcuk: define 'modifiable' |
| 00:54.22 | KotCzarny | yes, you can overwrite it |
| 00:54.24 | Lubomir | jott, thanks. that with jtag was my next question ^^ |
| 00:54.31 | KotCzarny | as for adding features i don't know |
| 00:54.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:54.58 | lcuk | *flash = 0xdeadbeef; |
| 00:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if the flash which the bootloader is on is shot, then it wont work anymore. :P |
| 00:55.13 | jott | but i see no point in getting grub on it.. u-boot would be a better approach.. |
| 00:55.36 | lcuk | i dont mean shot - i maen wiped/overwritten |
| 00:55.49 | KotCzarny | grub has support for mtd ? |
| 00:55.51 | jott | but this is some really low level hacking |
| 00:55.58 | KotCzarny | lcuk: yes |
| 00:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | Then you'd have to get it back to normal with jtag. |
| 00:56.31 | lcuk | right - but with jtag it is recoverable because you can squirt code into the device |
| 00:56.48 | KotCzarny | but that will require opening the device |
| 00:56.52 | KotCzarny | and probably soldering |
| 00:56.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:56.58 | KotCzarny | or just clamping |
| 00:57.01 | jott | i wonder if grub runs on anything !x86 :) |
| 00:57.19 | lcuk | yer i know - i just wondered how stable they are :) very well designed |
| 00:57.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk: same goes for wrt54g |
| 00:57.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:57.53 | KotCzarny | similiar philosophy |
| 00:57.56 | lcuk | yes i can see now |
| 00:58.14 | lcuk | the router is just another full headless box |
| 00:58.28 | Lubomir | the internal rom is 256mb. then i could use it like now my 100mb partition to put the kernels inside and make multi-boot linux system on one or more 16gb cards. can i also put os2008 on an sd-card? |
| 00:58.35 | KotCzarny | it's not rom |
| 00:58.38 | KotCzarny | it's flash |
| 00:58.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:58.56 | Lubomir | jott, i think i have seen grub on ppc |
| 00:58.56 | jott | yes you can boot os2008 from sd.. |
| 00:59.12 | lcuk | my very first hard drive was a quantum fireball and it had 245mb :) i thought i would never fill it |
| 00:59.12 | KotCzarny | without repartitioning |
| 00:59.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:59.19 | jott | but the bootloader does not allow to choose a different kernel |
| 00:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | 245mb! |
| 00:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | had 50MB |
| 00:59.34 | jott | atleast on the device |
| 00:59.35 | KotCzarny | jott: how about kexec? |
| 00:59.40 | lcuk | this device makes me smile :) |
| 00:59.48 | jott | KotCzarny: never tried but could work |
| 01:00.05 | KotCzarny | but that would require modified initfs i guess |
| 01:00.14 | KotCzarny | or kernel with initramfs |
| 01:00.14 | Lubomir | jott, thats why i like grub ^^. just press "e" and choose an oter kernel ;-) |
| 01:00.49 | jott | or use something more embedded like uboot |
| 01:00.56 | KotCzarny | lubomir: make a kernel with initramfs that will present you a list of kernels ;) |
| 01:01.16 | Lubomir | okay, must buy the nokia first ;-) |
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| 01:01.31 | jott | yeah just buy it - you'll like it :) |
| 01:01.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:02.14 | Lubomir | and when selling it i do not loose so much money like selling again an normal umpc |
| 01:02.44 | KotCzarny | and if you buy used you loose even less |
| 01:02.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:02.57 | Lubomir | would the oqo e2 have now the new intel cpu and ANY nvidia card, that i would buy it |
| 01:02.59 | KotCzarny | though it's bad for economy ;) |
| 01:03.24 | jott | KotCzarny: bad for nokia not for economy :) |
| 01:03.44 | KotCzarny | jott: it's true not only for nokia :) |
| 01:04.17 | jott | nokia, and ONLY nokia ;> |
| 01:04.24 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 01:04.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:04.27 | Lubomir | have nokia tell someting about the future of that devices? |
| 01:04.28 | jott | *g* |
| 01:04.47 | Lubomir | what comes after the n810 |
| 01:04.50 | KotCzarny | lubomir: nope, but everybody expects wimax |
| 01:04.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:05.05 | KotCzarny | *expect |
| 01:05.10 | jott | Lubomir: not really.. but i suspect another omap2420 with wimax ;> |
| 01:05.12 | Lubomir | i hope i wont have wimax... |
| 01:05.31 | jaska | wimax doesnt sound very nokiaesque |
| 01:06.09 | KotCzarny | jaska: what the deal with sprint means then? |
| 01:06.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:06.12 | Lubomir | i do not like the gps inside that is in the n810 at the moment. i must pay for that and i do not need it |
| 01:06.21 | KotCzarny | lubomir: go n800 and bt kb |
| 01:06.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:06.31 | KotCzarny | half the price, same fun :) |
| 01:06.35 | jaska | wouldnt know about american stuff tho |
| 01:07.00 | Lubomir | an internal keyboard would be nice... |
| 01:07.37 | Lubomir | and there is realy no other hardware change? |
| 01:07.44 | Lubomir | between n800 and n810 |
| 01:07.52 | jott | the n810 is a bit smaller |
| 01:07.55 | KotCzarny | lookd different |
| 01:08.06 | jott | gps, keyboard, rgb color led ;) |
| 01:08.06 | KotCzarny | and has 1 sd slot less |
| 01:08.22 | jott | 2gb internal + minisd instead of 2 normal sd |
| 01:08.33 | KotCzarny | so n800: 2xSD + 256mb, n810: 1xminiSD + 2gb |
| 01:08.49 | KotCzarny | flash prices are going down all the time :) |
| 01:09.06 | KotCzarny | so for the future having 2x32gb could be nice feature |
| 01:09.10 | Lubomir | jott, minisd, not micro sd? |
| 01:09.17 | jott | mini |
| 01:09.26 | jott | but micro will fit in mini slot with adapter ;) |
| 01:09.48 | Lubomir | and is there an weight difference between them? |
| 01:10.30 | Lubomir | but when the n810 is smaler ... |
| 01:10.30 | Lubomir | no gps but 2 sd card slots would be more nice ;-) |
| 01:10.40 | jott | but no internal kb.. |
| 01:10.44 | jott | but much cheaper ;) |
| 01:10.46 | KotCzarny | gps sucks atm. in n810 |
| 01:10.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:11.01 | KotCzarny | got igo ultraslim for 25$ |
| 01:11.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:11.06 | KotCzarny | (bt kb) |
| 01:11.17 | jott | bt kb sucks for instant use :) |
| 01:11.27 | KotCzarny | for instant use i can use osk ;) |
| 01:11.41 | jott | yieks sucks even more ;P |
| 01:11.43 | KotCzarny | or thumb kb :) |
| 01:13.00 | jott | oh and the n810 has a transreflective display |
| 01:13.21 | KotCzarny | i have read it's not very good.. |
| 01:13.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:13.27 | jott | i like it |
| 01:13.41 | jott | but i have not seen the n800 under bad light conditions yet |
| 01:13.45 | Lubomir | transreflective is that glossy? |
| 01:14.01 | KotCzarny | reading in full sunlight is tiring, and in dark colors are washed |
| 01:14.11 | KotCzarny | that's someone's opinion on it |
| 01:14.20 | jott | instead of seeing nothing?! ;) |
| 01:14.24 | KotCzarny | lubomir: it means, no backlight necessary |
| 01:14.37 | KotCzarny | (in the external light of course) |
| 01:14.47 | KotCzarny | *lighting |
| 01:14.58 | KotCzarny | jott: :) |
| 01:15.15 | KotCzarny | jott: i should go and look up n810 for it |
| 01:15.20 | KotCzarny | in the store etc |
| 01:15.35 | jott | yeah just have seen the n800 indoors yet ;) |
| 01:16.30 | jott | Lubomir: anyway i still would say, get a n810 if you really have the money or a n800 if you are fine with the missing kb ;) |
| 01:17.01 | KotCzarny | or if you like the design more |
| 01:17.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | N810 is 30g heavier. |
| 01:17.08 | Lubomir | ah, that with the screen,"smaler" and the internal keyboard ( i would also use an bt keyboard ), are big points to get the n810 and not the n800 |
| 01:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | transflective means it reflects light back through the screen from behind the backlight |
| 01:17.44 | jott | GeneralAntilles: 20g according to wikipedia.. but it's wikipedia ;) |
| 01:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | not that the surface of the screen is glossy. |
| 01:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | 30g is what I remember |
| 01:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | Either could be totally wrong. |
| 01:18.09 | jott | indeed |
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| 01:18.51 | Lubomir | ah,nice http://www.mobilelinuxinfo.com/476/asus-eee-701-vs-nokia-n810/ |
| 01:18.55 | jott | Lubomir: pretty much. price and potentially bigger storage are points for n800 |
| 01:19.11 | Lubomir | i will get the n810 |
| 01:19.13 | Lubomir | ;-) |
| 01:19.42 | Lubomir | have used the eee pc on the cebit and now i see that the n810 is realy smal ^^ |
| 01:20.06 | Lubomir | n810 price drop |
| 01:20.06 | jott | yeah well it's not an umpc brick it actually fits in the pocket ;) |
| 01:20.07 | Lubomir | http://www.mobilelinuxinfo.com/515/nokia-n810-price-drop/ |
| 01:20.40 | Lubomir | an oqo e2 its also not hevy and not big |
| 01:20.56 | jott | but does it fit in a normal pocket? ;) |
| 01:21.11 | KotCzarny | n800 is 7.23oz, n810 is 7.97 (according to nokiausa.com) |
| 01:21.28 | jott | now we need to convert this to sane metric units :P |
| 01:21.30 | KotCzarny | ~21g |
| 01:21.45 | GeneralAntilles | That's were pretty much all the other mobile Linux devices fall apart |
| 01:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | they're just not pocketable. |
| 01:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | Small is pretty irrelevant if it isn't _pocketable_ |
| 01:22.14 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 01:22.27 | KotCzarny | i have my backpack with me all the time |
| 01:22.38 | KotCzarny | so it's like a big pocket for me |
| 01:22.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:22.50 | jott | yieks handbag? ;) |
| 01:22.54 | Lubomir | in germany the price is not fallen at the moment http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?phist=305259&age=183 |
| 01:22.57 | KotCzarny | backpack |
| 01:22.59 | KotCzarny | definitely |
| 01:23.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:23.22 | KotCzarny | lubomir: wait a week or two |
| 01:23.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:23.24 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, not counting the zaurus line of course... |
| 01:23.35 | jott | or something like htc universal... |
| 01:23.39 | Lubomir | KotCzarny, yes, will wait |
| 01:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | They're discontinued. :P |
| 01:23.52 | jott | so is n800 :P |
| 01:23.55 | johnx | still widely available and still running linux though :P |
| 01:23.57 | jott | basically :) |
| 01:24.07 | KotCzarny | n810 is a n800 in disguise ;) |
| 01:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | Er, since when, jott? <_< |
| 01:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, the N810 is there. |
| 01:24.24 | jott | sure |
| 01:24.26 | GeneralAntilles | So you're point is irrelevant either way. :P |
| 01:24.30 | jott | it's not a big deal ;) |
| 01:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | s/you're/your/ |
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| 01:24.44 | jott | but i can't order a n800 at nokia store |
| 01:24.55 | Lubomir | are there also "firmware updates" for such devices like on normal BB5 nokia phones? |
| 01:25.24 | KotCzarny | lubomir: more like rootfs' to reflash :) |
| 01:25.39 | KotCzarny | n800 had os2007, os2008 |
| 01:25.57 | Lubomir | can i boot from usb? |
| 01:26.01 | KotCzarny | but you flash them yourself |
| 01:26.11 | KotCzarny | lubomir: yes, there's a way |
| 01:26.27 | Lubomir | ok |
| 01:26.46 | KotCzarny | but it's network recovery mode |
| 01:26.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:27.22 | Lubomir | the biggest minisd is 4gb -.- Must buy the micro sd ... |
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| 01:28.32 | Lubomir | wow,found an 32gb extreme-speed sdhc ^^ |
| 01:28.44 | KotCzarny | what price? |
| 01:28.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:28.47 | Lubomir | http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(2582)-SDSDRH-032G-A11-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SDHC_32GB_High_Performance_Card.aspx |
| 01:28.53 | KotCzarny | ah. big price. |
| 01:28.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:29.04 | Lubomir | same price as an complete n800 ^^ |
| 01:29.30 | KotCzarny | and it's sd |
| 01:29.32 | jackylee | I need some suggestions. How should I if I want to reflash the whole system of the N800.Thanks |
| 01:29.33 | KotCzarny | not minisd |
| 01:29.34 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:30.02 | Lubomir | yes, i know |
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| 01:31.21 | Lubomir | i will sleep now |
| 01:31.31 | Lubomir | see us |
| 01:31.32 | Lubomir | bye |
| 01:31.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | erm, jackylee, what's the question? |
| 01:33.43 | jackylee | Now my N800's os is os2008, but my maemo version is 3.x. Which should be 4.x. So I want to reflash the os to os2007 |
| 01:33.54 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 01:34.04 | KotCzarny | you got it wrong.. |
| 01:34.21 | KotCzarny | unless you forced some packages.. |
| 01:34.32 | KotCzarny | os2008 is maemo4.x |
| 01:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you downgrade your device rather than upgrading the SDK? |
| 01:36.17 | jackylee | My network environment is not good, I tried several times to install online. All failed. |
| 01:38.41 | KotCzarny | jackylee: have you tried manual method? |
| 01:39.50 | KotCzarny | huh, saturn's rings are vanishing |
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| 01:40.16 | jackylee | Not yet. I have take a look. I find that it have huge amount of packages to install when using install script. |
| 01:40.36 | jackylee | So, does that means I have to download a large amount of packets |
| 01:40.41 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 01:41.12 | KotCzarny | but running installer script should reuse already downloaded packages.. i think |
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| 01:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | jackylee, try the vmware image? |
| 01:45.31 | jott | KotCzarny: i would say the rings are not as visible from the earth anymore due to relative rotation/angle :) |
| 01:45.40 | KotCzarny | jott: yeah ;) |
| 01:46.47 | jackylee | I dont't think so. I used to have the same opinion with you but it actully does not reuse already downloaded package.It start over again. And I even can not find the where the downloaded packages. I have search in the |
| 01:46.49 | jackylee | install script to find where the downloaded packages. Maybe if failed to install, it will delete all the packages |
| 01:46.49 | jott | i wonder how many great scientists in the last few hundered years wrote some exciting paper about the vanishing rings and where proven wrong :) |
| 01:46.51 | jackylee | downloaded |
| 01:47.46 | jackylee | GeneralAntilles, I haven't tried the vmware image. Would you give me some links on how to download it.Thanks |
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| 01:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 01:52.13 | jackylee | GeneralAntilles,Thanks |
| 01:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007 is a big downgrade. Downgrading your device for your SDK seems like a very big sacrifice. <_< |
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| 01:54.31 | jackylee | GeneralAntilles,Have you tried the vmware image. Is it possible to build external kernel from it. |
| 01:54.40 | Cymor | is away: dinner |
| 01:54.44 | errordeveloper | right .. so i got a bad situation here with the usb-otg-plugin |
| 01:55.01 | KotCzarny | fried nokia? |
| 01:55.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 01:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | is on PPC. |
| 01:55.43 | KotCzarny | vmware is arch-less |
| 01:57.45 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:57.48 | KotCzarny | or maybe is not |
| 01:58.00 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 01:58.05 | errordeveloper | KotCzarny: didn't fry |
| 01:58.10 | KotCzarny | i have always thought it's full x86 emu |
| 01:58.21 | errordeveloper | but was frozen for a bit |
| 01:58.57 | KotCzarny | ed: let us know if it starts rebooting by itself |
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| 02:15.12 | lcuk | errordeveloper, i had that with mine - i drew too much power (my kb is rated at 100ma) and it did strange things until i popped the battery |
| 02:15.32 | lcuk | it worked perfectly when i pressed one key at a time, but the drain was too much when i mashed it |
| 02:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | Time for a powered hub. |
| 02:19.16 | lcuk | nahh i got an apple keyboard instead and im much happier wireless |
| 02:19.40 | lcuk | i cant use usb in my cradle cos of location of the kickstand |
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| 02:20.39 | lcuk | anyway, bed time - ive done a lot tonight and am pleased :) |
| 02:22.56 | GeneralAntilles | This invalid? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3033 |
| 02:23.40 | KotCzarny | busyboxed tar has -z ? |
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| 02:25.44 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/tmp/ram# tar -xf mpfr-2.3.1.tar |
| 02:25.44 | KotCzarny | tar: invalid tar magic |
| 02:36.49 | KotCzarny | probably unsupported tar format |
| 02:37.05 | KotCzarny | gnu tar creates ustar |
| 02:37.25 | pupnik | yah busybox |
| 02:38.10 | KotCzarny | busybox also creates ustar |
| 02:38.58 | KotCzarny | http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-November/025296.html |
| 02:39.00 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 02:42.50 | KotCzarny | looks like busybox doesn't support v7 tar format |
| 02:42.50 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:42.53 | KotCzarny | old one |
| 02:43.30 | KotCzarny | yup. |
| 02:43.45 | KotCzarny | steps to replicate: tar -c --format=v7 |
| 02:43.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:45.44 | KotCzarny | Log in to Bugzilla |
| 02:45.45 | KotCzarny | bleah. |
| 02:45.55 | KotCzarny | let someone else fill the report. |
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| 02:50.15 | smackpotato | anyone have trouble with virtual memory |
| 02:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | What sort of trouble? |
| 02:52.34 | johnx | yeah, it seemed to trigger bugginess in the SD card driver |
| 02:56.02 | smackpotato | sorry for delay, i cant create vm , had 48 tried to change to 128 get a error message |
| 02:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | Is the card ro? |
| 02:57.17 | smackpotato | ? |
| 02:57.23 | smackpotato | no |
| 02:57.30 | KotCzarny | full? |
| 02:57.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | Tried turning off and deleting the old swap? |
| 02:58.30 | tank-man | maybe it is in use? (too many apps open) |
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| 03:22.32 | lopz | bye |
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| 03:46.16 | Italodance | :D |
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| 03:56.12 | Tama^2 | hi italo |
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| 04:15.14 | amen2 | Anyone kowns how to telnet or ssh to n810? Thanks |
| 04:15.32 | KotCzarny | for ssh you have to install openssh server |
| 04:16.00 | Navi | install ssh. |
| 04:16.41 | amen2 | how to install? is there any ssh maemo pkg ? |
| 04:16.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 04:17.10 | amen2 | Thanks |
| 04:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | openssh |
| 04:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. |
| 04:18.26 | amen2 | Oh, nice |
| 04:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | Don't worry if it appears to be stalled during the install |
| 04:18.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's just generating keys. |
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| 04:59.22 | legind | is there any way to get the webcam/mic working with flash in OS2008? |
| 04:59.37 | KotCzarny | with flash? |
| 05:00.43 | legind | yes, so that flash can pick up on the video and audio stream |
| 05:00.54 | legind | for sites such as, for instance, www.mebeam.com |
| 05:00.57 | KotCzarny | ah, i guess no |
| 05:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 05:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | Talk to Adobe. |
| 05:10.34 | pupnik | i wish i could see current power drain on tablet |
| 05:10.48 | KotCzarny | pupnik: calculate! |
| 05:10.53 | pupnik | so i can brag to x86 laptop users |
| 05:11.09 | pupnik | it ought to be exposed through /proc imo. on my thinkpad i can see it |
| 05:11.15 | pupnik | i think thru acpi |
| 05:11.26 | KotCzarny | no acpi on omap |
| 05:11.44 | pupnik | ok. well they suxxor for not showing me current power drain :) |
| 05:12.07 | KotCzarny | unless they do, but not document it anywhere |
| 05:12.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:13.38 | KotCzarny | btw. do you remember my kcbatt draws? |
| 05:13.53 | pupnik | i remember you had a kcbatt app |
| 05:14.06 | KotCzarny | it looks like temp. sensors report inversed values |
| 05:14.16 | KotCzarny | ie. colder == higher value |
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| 05:34.07 | Italodance | hi |
| 05:38.15 | Italodance | usb otg what is it? |
| 05:42.08 | Tama^2 | google for "usb on the go" |
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| 07:02.14 | Italodance | YEAH! |
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| 07:17.34 | Italodance | . |
| 07:27.18 | wom- | hmm.. i am using 'top' in device and looking at %MEM field. as i understand it shoudl be percent of physical memory consumed by process. but if i sum up all the percentages i get way more than 100%. am i missing something here |
| 07:27.33 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 07:27.39 | wom- | ok :) |
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| 07:33.32 | Italodance | it it not full screen on my n800 os2008? |
| 07:34.25 | konttori_work | wom- maybe it's calculating shared libraries in some weird manner (I really don't know, just guessing) |
| 07:36.06 | wom- | konttori_work: could be.. just wanted to see how much my stuff consumes memory. top must be some stripped version in armel because i can't change modes and fields it displays |
| 07:36.25 | KotCzarny | wom: it's busybox's applet |
| 07:36.38 | KotCzarny | you can compile real top and copy it to nokia |
| 07:36.54 | wom- | KotCzarny: yep, i have to do that |
| 07:37.12 | jku | but it won't give any "better" memory figures... |
| 07:37.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:37.38 | wom- | :) |
| 07:37.52 | KotCzarny | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:38.41 | KotCzarny | anyone played with gnuplot? |
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| 07:58.35 | pupnik | daydreams persistently about fm OPL2 synthesis on TI DSP |
| 07:59.06 | KotCzarny | curses gnuplot for doing weird things |
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| 08:02.57 | unique311 | off topic..... |
| 08:05.14 | kulve | pupnik: it's not that hard to make something for the dsp |
| 08:05.27 | kulve | it starts to be hard when you want something to work efficiently there.. |
| 08:08.08 | Italodance | ok it is playing |
| 08:08.21 | Italodance | but how i can quit??? |
| 08:08.22 | Italodance | lol |
| 08:08.44 | pupnik | kulve: it takes around 12-15% cpu time of omap2420 core in my tests |
| 08:08.56 | pupnik | this i think puts it roughly in the 'do-able' category |
| 08:09.06 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:09.17 | konttori_work | Morning Jaffa! |
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| 08:13.52 | Italodance | morning |
| 08:17.06 | LoCusF | is there any port of the 'clear' command for osso-xterm :) ? |
| 08:17.30 | AStorm | yup, it's morning ;) |
| 08:17.42 | AStorm | yeah , coreutils |
| 08:17.50 | AStorm | but not easy to install |
| 08:18.04 | AStorm | major change to the system |
| 08:18.50 | AStorm | someone could build a nonn-conflicting correutils package |
| 08:19.13 | AStorm | blah, have to reduce autorepeat |
| 08:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | LoCusF, http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/osso-xterm/ |
| 08:19.48 | LoCusF | GeneralAntilles: already dl'ed the newest version |
| 08:20.00 | LoCusF | its in ncurses-bin on ubuntu O_o |
| 08:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | It at least has a menu option for it. |
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| 08:21.29 | konttori_work | Cool that someone is making the latest xterm packages available. |
| 08:21.41 | KotCzarny | xterm, pf. |
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| 08:22.17 | konttori_work | Just make sure you also install the latest vte as well if you use that. |
| 08:22.36 | konttori_work | I wonder if that page also contains the latest vte (it should, as latest xterm depends on it) |
| 08:22.39 | LoCusF | already did that :) |
| 08:22.54 | LoCusF | good question |
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| 08:24.09 | LoCusF | if I'd just get my finger keyboard activated |
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| 08:25.48 | LoCusF | how much pressure should I apply to the screen to get it? It says that a finger tap is sufficient |
| 08:27.38 | AStorm | it's weird, I don't knpw how to activate it reliably |
| 08:29.43 | GeneralAntilles | Center d-pad |
| 08:30.13 | AStorm | heh, just hold your finger |
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| 08:30.35 | GeneralAntilles | Finger activation is stupid |
| 08:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's never been reliable |
| 08:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | d-pad is 100% |
| 08:30.46 | AStorm | yep |
| 08:31.03 | LoCusF | on n810 :) |
| 08:31.06 | AStorm | no, activation of finger keyboard |
| 08:31.33 | AStorm | but then, it's pointless on N810 |
| 08:31.49 | AStorm | finger keys are worse than hw ones |
| 08:31.54 | Italodance | YEASH! |
| 08:31.55 | AStorm | no feedback |
| 08:32.44 | LoCusF | hmm, maybe it has some overwhelming advantages over finger keys |
| 08:32.59 | LoCusF | I just hate to open it up to press Alt+2 |
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| 08:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | I much prefer the touchscreen over the compromises of a slider. |
| 08:33.50 | AStorm | lol? |
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| 08:34.02 | AStorm | use escape or xchat |
| 08:34.20 | LoCusF | AStorm: I do use escape :) |
| 08:34.32 | AStorm | esc 2 = meta-2 = alt-2 |
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| 08:34.40 | LoCusF | yeah yeah |
| 08:34.51 | LoCusF | but I still need to open up the kb for Fn+2 |
| 08:34.55 | LoCusF | nope, w |
| 08:34.59 | AStorm | lol |
| 08:35.04 | AStorm | use xchat |
| 08:35.12 | LoCusF | gaah |
| 08:35.18 | AStorm | there is a beta for chinook |
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| 08:35.31 | AStorm | somewhere on the net |
| 08:35.33 | LoCusF | I want to use osso-xterm with irssi on remote server :) |
| 08:35.41 | AStorm | blah then |
| 08:35.44 | LoCusF | because irssi rules them all :) |
| 08:35.49 | AStorm | what for? |
| 08:35.49 | kulve | it sure does |
| 08:36.03 | AStorm | it sure sucks more than weechat |
| 08:36.10 | AStorm | :P |
| 08:36.21 | LoCusF | matters of taste can't be argued over :) |
| 08:36.25 | AStorm | and on maemo, xchat is the king |
| 08:36.30 | LoCusF | irssi is nice, fast and simple |
| 08:36.37 | Italodance | YEAH! |
| 08:36.46 | liri | does anyone know if there's any compatibility with maemo-mapper and RoadMap? |
| 08:36.46 | AStorm | (haven't tried rtcom beta irc support yet) |
| 08:37.00 | wom- | AStorm: I have.. it works with prvmsg |
| 08:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm and Pidgin are garbage for anything beyond VERY light IRC use. |
| 08:37.15 | wom- | you see privmsgs as normal chat invitations. like gtalk |
| 08:37.30 | wom- | i don't know how to join channels etc. with rtcomm irc |
| 08:37.52 | wom- | maybe it is not even possible |
| 08:37.58 | LoCusF | it is |
| 08:38.15 | LoCusF | you gotta open up the 'Chat' application |
| 08:38.40 | LoCusF | and from menu, select "Join chatroom" |
| 08:38.52 | AStorm | nopes |
| 08:39.18 | liri | yeah, or you could add favorite chatrooms as buddies in the left panel like they were persons in icq/aol/aim/etc |
| 08:39.27 | AStorm | ah wait, yup |
| 08:39.41 | LoCusF | liri is right :) |
| 08:39.52 | wom- | only thing is that when you leave your device 'hanging' on irc for night.. in the morning battery is empty |
| 08:39.55 | wom- | :) |
| 08:40.00 | wom- | ping pongs etc.. |
| 08:40.03 | liri | I've been using pidgin for a long time now, I really like it |
| 08:40.25 | LoCusF | pidgin rocks if I don't have anything else at hand and want to click links |
| 08:40.29 | Italodance | guys guys |
| 08:40.29 | liri | does anyone have an n810 nearby? |
| 08:40.42 | wom- | liri: here |
| 08:40.43 | kulve | o/ |
| 08:40.44 | LoCusF | here |
| 08:40.45 | AStorm | i have in my hands |
| 08:40.49 | liri | ahh good |
| 08:40.54 | Italodance | tell me Advanced Backlight Statusbar Applet can do more backlight and volume for tablet? |
| 08:40.59 | Italodance | ? |
| 08:41.03 | LoCusF | true |
| 08:41.06 | AStorm | more backlight |
| 08:41.07 | LoCusF | but no more volume |
| 08:41.11 | AStorm | same volume |
| 08:41.34 | Italodance | ok tnx :D |
| 08:41.47 | liri | wom- / LoCusF: I want to check compatibility with the freemap.co.il maps website because it's the only source I can relay of on maps for my country. could someone give a quick try? |
| 08:42.13 | LoCusF | gtg now but later |
| 08:42.27 | wom- | sorry i am at work also, maybe evening |
| 08:42.28 | LoCusF | I'm in Finland, does that matter? |
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| 08:42.44 | liri | it shouldn't |
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| 08:43.04 | Italodance | LoCusF oh |
| 08:43.04 | liri | I just want to see if the website is compatible with maemo-mapper or some other mapping program available in n810 |
| 08:43.12 | Italodance | are u from nokia staff? |
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| 08:44.34 | AStorm_test | hullo |
| 08:44.47 | AStorm_test | funny this chat client :) |
| 08:45.18 | GeneralAntilles | Xchat is the way to go for GUI and irssi for console. |
| 08:45.25 | AStorm_test | no nick completion... |
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| 08:46.19 | AStorm_test | could've been nice |
| 08:46.37 | pupnik | xchat could use some polishing still |
| 08:46.44 | AStorm_test | w/o nickcomp it's kind of pointless |
| 08:46.51 | AStorm_test | pupnik, yeah |
| 08:47.04 | AStorm_test | scrolling for one |
| 08:47.15 | AStorm_test | (instead of selection) |
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| 08:47.42 | AStorm | bye for now |
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| 08:48.04 | pupnik | blah i need an anti-shake filter for mencoder :/ |
| 08:48.17 | pupnik | right now the only free solution is avidub and a plugin under winders |
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| 08:58.54 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:17.38 | Jaffa | pupnik: easier to use a tripod when recording it? ;-) |
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| 09:19.42 | thux | how much uptime you get with os2008? |
| 09:22.47 | T0b0tras- | has 10mins currently |
| 09:23.42 | thux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.16 | Italodance | who has nokia internet tablet here? |
| 09:24.57 | inz | I would guess: "most" |
| 09:24.58 | tank-man | what about it? |
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| 09:25.09 | BTobotras | who hasn't? |
| 09:25.49 | hrw | eurodance: nokia tablets on #maemo? no one |
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| 09:39.10 | BTobotras | Is there any difference in gps usage between os2007 and 2008? |
| 09:39.15 | BTobotras | From API POV |
| 09:39.43 | jku | BTobotras, liblocation is new, IIRC |
| 09:39.53 | BTobotras | jku: thanks |
| 09:40.05 | jku | but you can still do it like you did in os2007, I think |
| 09:42.43 | BTobotras | jku: I didn't :) Going to learn yet. |
| 09:45.09 | jku | liblocation is easiest (but 2008 only), compare the connectivity HOW-TOs for maemo 3 and 4 |
| 09:47.13 | BTobotras | okay |
| 09:49.15 | jku | "if a full word processor like Abiword can work, [openoffice.org] is not much of a stretch" -- hah! |
| 09:49.32 | jku | I'd like to see that |
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| 09:58.34 | BTobotras | Anybody with n810 or BT GPS could test my gps test? :) |
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| 10:08.33 | jku | BTobotras, if it's simple, sure |
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| 10:09.57 | BTobotras | jku: it should just print coords on every change, http://xtalk.msk.su/maemo/gps/gpstest |
| 10:10.09 | BTobotras | jku: or I may give you a source |
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| 10:15.51 | jku | BTobotras, it doesn't try to start the gps by itself |
| 10:16.24 | jku | started it by hand, I'll let you know if/when I have a fix |
| 10:17.00 | BTobotras | jku: I see. |
| 10:17.50 | jku | yep, works fine |
| 10:20.45 | BTobotras | jku: many thanks |
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| 10:22.19 | BTobotras | jku: how does it print location? As a floating point signed degrees? |
| 10:23.51 | jku | BTobotras, Latitude: 60.20 Longitude: 24.88 Altitude: 40.50 (on three rows) |
| 10:24.05 | jku | I assume they're signed :) |
| 10:24.37 | BTobotras | jku: okay :-) |
| 10:25.53 | jku | That was with an external GPS btw, but IME the internal works just the same when it decides to work at all |
| 10:27.25 | b0unc3` | good morning |
| 10:28.06 | BTobotras | jku: that makes north of Munkkiniemi? |
| 10:29.40 | kulve | you can give the coordinates directly to maps.google.com :) |
| 10:30.22 | Juhaz | that's pretty lousy resolution, though, if 2 decimals is hardcoded. around kilometer. |
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| 10:30.43 | kulve | http://maps.google.com/?q=60.20,24.88 |
| 10:30.54 | BTobotras | Juhaz: but they aren't |
| 10:30.55 | kulve | not to point at anybody's home or anything.. |
| 10:31.27 | jku | whoa, that's not correct! |
| 10:31.59 | jku | ah, it's close enough with that numerical precision |
| 10:33.26 | jku | BTobotras, you're not cutting the decimals? |
| 10:33.43 | BTobotras | jku: I do, to two decimal digits. |
| 10:33.57 | jku | ok, then everything's fine |
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| 10:35.19 | jku | and my geo-privacy is preserved |
| 10:35.23 | jku | (like I hadn't used my home address in all geoclue examples...) |
| 10:35.42 | BTobotras | :-D |
| 10:56.58 | Italodance | which video quality is the best for n800 512? |
| 10:57.26 | LoCusF | liri: do you still need testing? |
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| 10:58.42 | liri | LoCusF: yeah |
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| 10:58.49 | liri | LoCusF: ofcourse :) |
| 10:59.04 | LoCusF | liri: it processed something but failed with 42 maps |
| 10:59.38 | liri | LoCusF: umm what does it mean? |
| 10:59.51 | LoCusF | liri: that it doesn't seem to be working |
| 11:00.25 | kulve | Italodance: there's bitrate, there's resolution, there's fps. All affect to video quality |
| 11:00.29 | BTobotras | tries to pair n800 with BT GPS to no avail. If only password is wrong... |
| 11:00.59 | ameng | Hi, I want to use sbrsh for cup-transparent in scratchbox, but it return mounting faild . I ssh to n810 and |
| 11:01.01 | Italodance | kulve tell me ur best test |
| 11:01.26 | ameng | run the mount -t nfs ... command ,it also failed , |
| 11:01.33 | kulve | this is what I use: mencoder -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect -vf scale=640:240 in.mpg -o out.avi |
| 11:01.57 | liri | LoCusF: can you check if you can install RoadMap? that seems to be copmliant |
| 11:02.06 | liri | *compliant |
| 11:02.14 | jumpula | ameng: you have nfs server configured and running properly in your host (outside sb)? |
| 11:02.28 | LoCusF | liri: just tell me the url and I'll take a look :) |
| 11:02.50 | liri | LoCusF: there's https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2079 and you can check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/index.php?t-17718.html also |
| 11:02.56 | ameng | jumpula:yes , I can mount nfs from another pc |
| 11:03.46 | LoCusF | liri: well I though that it was maemo mapper repo, I currently don't have that much memory left for any additional installs :/ |
| 11:03.55 | jumpula | can you mount those particular paths sbrsh is trying to mount? |
| 11:04.02 | LoCusF | liri: but if I ever need to use it, then I will try :) |
| 11:04.58 | LoCusF | Italodance: do you think that every finn here is a nokia dev :) ? |
| 11:05.19 | jumpula | ameng: and if you can provide the error message, the less guessing i have to do :) |
| 11:05.39 | BTobotras | damn |
| 11:06.10 | BTobotras | do a bluetooth pairing, press "OK" and nothing happens, not even an errorr... |
| 11:06.24 | ameng | jumpula, [sbox-n810: ~/n810] > fbset-2.1/fbset |
| 11:06.24 | ameng | sbrsh server: mount: mounting fm.nthcode.net:/scratchbox/users/fm/targets/n810 on /var/sbrshd/fm@192.168.1.13/n810/ failed |
| 11:06.49 | jumpula | yeah, but when running the mount on the device? |
| 11:06.53 | jumpula | by hand |
| 11:07.21 | jumpula | and you can use debug option with sbrshd to get more detailed information |
| 11:07.50 | ameng | Nokia-N810-42-19:~# mount -t nfs fm.nthcode.net:/scratchbox/users/fm/targets/n810 /mnt/pc/ |
| 11:07.51 | ameng | mount: mounting fm.nthcode.net:/scratchbox/users/fm/targets/n810 on /mnt/pc/ failed |
| 11:08.12 | ameng | ok |
| 11:08.36 | ameng | I wonder if my n810 suports nfs? |
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| 11:11.14 | kulve | it does, if you install and load nfs modules |
| 11:12.48 | ameng | kulve: you mean I need to install nfs modules manually? |
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| 11:14.51 | lardman | morning all |
| 11:15.05 | wom- | morning |
| 11:15.06 | b0unc3` | ameng: you can use wizard-mounter too |
| 11:15.45 | ameng | b0unc3:how to do this? |
| 11:15.58 | kulve | ameng: yep. There's .deb package for them and you need load them by hand |
| 11:16.00 | kulve | (afaik) |
| 11:16.15 | kulve | ameng: I've compiled a kernel of my own with built-in nfs support.. |
| 11:16.57 | b0unc3` | ameng: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=444 |
| 11:18.51 | ameng | ok , thanks all of your help |
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| 11:28.39 | jones- | Hello. Is there a port of libboost to maemo 4? |
| 11:32.31 | hrw | port or recompiled packages? |
| 11:32.41 | hrw | ameng: mine n810 supports |
| 11:33.14 | jones- | hrw: whatever. I need it and can't find in the official repositories. |
| 11:33.33 | hrw | jones-: official repositories lack many things |
| 11:33.50 | hrw | hi lardman |
| 11:34.06 | hrw | btw - are there python-hildon bindings? |
| 11:34.09 | jones- | hrw: so you say I should just compile that? |
| 11:34.26 | jones- | hrw: yes, there are: check pymaemo |
| 11:34.49 | hrw | jones-: looks like you need |
| 11:35.03 | jones- | hrw: ok thanks. |
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| 11:36.04 | icepolarpolar | hi hi |
| 11:36.39 | ameng | How do you set up your source.list |
| 11:36.52 | ameng | for apt |
| 11:36.57 | hrw | jones-: I probably can build boost for chinook but no warranty that it will work for you |
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| 11:37.33 | kulve | jones-: hi there |
| 11:37.57 | jones- | hi kulve |
| 11:38.13 | jones- | hrw: thanks, but no need to waste your time, I can try and do myself :) |
| 11:40.17 | BTobotras | can't pair with bt gps :( |
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| 12:00.16 | lopz | hi |
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| 12:04.25 | lardman | hey hrw, sorry for my tardy reply |
| 12:05.39 | hrw | lardman|meeting: ? |
| 12:10.59 | hrw | lardman|meeting: no problem |
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| 13:10.50 | Firebird8 | how do i get the n810 to mount the removeable instead of internal over usb on my computer |
| 13:13.25 | kulve | it offers both of them to the computer |
| 13:13.34 | kulve | it's up to the computer what to mount |
| 13:14.29 | Firebird8 | i only see one in dev |
| 13:15.05 | kulve | maybe you are using the external card in a way that the n810 couldn't unmount it and offer it to your pc |
| 13:15.18 | kulve | e.g. you have cd'ed to /media/mmc1 |
| 13:16.08 | BTobotras | Now the keyboard language switch has been broken. Touch day... |
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| 13:19.26 | Kypeli | Anyone aware of the fact that application browsing doesn't work in maemo.org? Anyone wants to do something about it? |
| 13:21.59 | BTobotras | What did I broke if language can be changed via "Edit" menu, but not with language button? :( |
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| 14:24.02 | WorkingOnWise | where can I find a howto for enabling other file systems, specificlly reiserfs (on boot ), ntfs (read only is fine) isofs and udf? I have found the modules, but need some hand holding as to how to unstall them, especially the reiserfs. |
| 14:24.17 | WorkingOnWise | on an N800 with OS 2008 |
| 14:26.09 | buddylee | if you have the .ko files, you should be able to insmod them |
| 14:27.10 | WorkingOnWise | is insmod a one time operation? I mean, once I insmod them, will I have to do it again when I reboot? |
| 14:27.30 | inz | One time, but you can add it to some init script |
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| 14:29.29 | WorkingOnWise | so I can use regular desktop linux methots? |
| 14:29.45 | inz | Pretty much |
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| 14:40.14 | WorkingOnWise | where should i put the modules i want ti insmod? |
| 14:40.23 | WorkingOnWise | to... |
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| 14:42.08 | MrmacHD | hi there |
| 14:42.35 | MrmacHD | does anybody know how to user NFC in nokia phones that have such functionality? |
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| 14:42.56 | jott | WorkingOnWise: usually you should put them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/..../ |
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| 14:45.40 | jott | WorkingOnWise: you might want to fetch http://sse2.net/depmod to build a modules.dep so you can use modprobe |
| 14:46.03 | WorkingOnWise | jott: thanks. |
| 14:46.29 | Veggen | hmmf. my ISO_Level5_Shift doesn't work like I think it should... |
| 14:46.31 | WorkingOnWise | I guess the normal user wouldnt need modprobe on an N800 huh? :) |
| 14:46.31 | jott | still wonders why there is a modprobe but not a depmod on the device ;) |
| 14:47.07 | jott | well there is a modprobe but without modules.dep it's not very usable ;) |
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| 14:48.19 | jott | Veggen: "WORKSFORME" - bug closed :> ..what's the problem? |
| 14:49.01 | WorkingOnWise | whar version of the kernel does OS 2008 use? the modules I have are for 2.6.21.0 |
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| 14:49.36 | jott | WorkingOnWise: uname -r => 2.6.21-omap1 |
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| 14:51.30 | WorkingOnWise | is there a way to get a real-ish sudo function on OS2008? Like I have on my Ubuntu laptop? |
| 14:51.55 | Veggen | jott: seems chr character doesn't work as level5 shift for alphanumeric chars. |
| 14:52.13 | jott | WorkingOnWise: its "normal" sudo - just with different settings (see /etc/sudoers) |
| 14:52.33 | jott | Veggen: example? |
| 14:52.50 | WorkingOnWise | I forgot to exit becomeroot. not cool.... fortunately I only ran uname -a |
| 14:53.27 | WorkingOnWise | so is it a bad idea for me to make sudo behave like it toes in Ubuntu? |
| 14:53.34 | WorkingOnWise | toes=does |
| 14:53.36 | Veggen | jott: and the order seems reversed, as compared to your examples yesterday. |
| 14:54.06 | ||cw | WorkingOnWise: yes, just add a line like what ubuntu has |
| 14:54.24 | jott | WorkingOnWise: well some system scripts depend on sudo without password confirmation |
| 14:54.28 | ||cw | WorkingOnWise: sudo is sudo, ubuntu hasone config, maemo another |
| 14:54.29 | WorkingOnWise | and then I can avoid all thei becomeroot stuff? |
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| 14:55.03 | jott | Veggen: works fine here.. don't know what you do different :/ |
| 14:55.12 | Veggen | key <AC10> { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [ odiaresis, Odiaresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, equal, equal ] }; |
| 14:55.44 | Veggen | the key gives an oslash, chr+key likewise. |
| 14:55.47 | jott | i already wrote - it seems field 7,8 have to match 1,2 |
| 14:56.06 | jott | key <AC10> { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [ odiaresis, Odiaresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, odiaresis, Odiaresis ] }; |
| 14:56.20 | jott | don't traced exactly why :p |
| 14:56.29 | Veggen | uh? hm, I missed that. lemme try. |
| 14:57.56 | Veggen | hm. didn't seem to help. |
| 14:58.32 | jott | i tried the exact same line and it worked :p |
| 14:59.08 | jott | i.e. öÃ==øà .. |
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| 15:01.55 | jott | Veggen: http://pastebin.ca/raw/950365 |
| 15:03.51 | jott | maybe you have a syntax error in the file and it's not loaded correct |
| 15:06.30 | Veggen | mmm, any way to verify it? |
| 15:06.41 | jott | setxkbmap -v -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(de)" |
| 15:06.49 | jott | should reload it and print warnings/errors |
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| 15:07.12 | jott | (just change (de) if you do not have a german layout :) |
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| 15:12.00 | Veggen | jott: was an error, fixed, but it didn't seem to help :) |
| 15:12.12 | jott | maybe another error :) |
| 15:12.48 | jott | (like semantic not syntax :) |
| 15:13.20 | Veggen | mm, could be. I'm no xkb guru. |
| 15:14.02 | WorkingOnWise | If I want to clone my N800 and bot from a reisrfs formated sd card, I install the reiserfs modules, format my sd card with reiserfs on my laptop, put it in the N800, boot the N800 and make sure i can read/write the card. If all is well, proceed with the clone process on internettablettalk.com. am I missing something? Nothing like bricking a new work tool the 3rd dy u got it huh! lol...I'd like to avoid the brick part... :O |
| 15:14.37 | jott | WorkingOnWise: you have to modify initfs to boot from reiserfs |
| 15:15.04 | kulve | WorkingOnWise: it's hard to brick it for good |
| 15:15.07 | WorkingOnWise | boy am I glad I aske! |
| 15:15.22 | jott | why not just use ext3? :) better rescue tools anyway ;) |
| 15:15.27 | WorkingOnWise | thats good to know! |
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| 15:15.50 | kulve | I recommend ext3 and http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 15:15.52 | jott | Veggen: maybe pastebin your rx-44 file.. |
| 15:17.41 | WorkingOnWise | well, reiserfs is faster for small reads, which is the bulk of what the N800 would be doing. as for recovery, I fully intend on having 2 cloned sd cards with me so recovery is about 2 minutes... |
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| 15:18.05 | WorkingOnWise | is my understanding right on reiserfs vs ext3? |
| 15:18.38 | WorkingOnWise | almost everything I know on this subject is second hand, stuff I have read.. |
| 15:19.18 | jott | well i wonder if there are any real benchmarks for ext3/reiserfs/xfs on flash media |
| 15:19.36 | wnd | and then there are those "how often do you need to run fsck (as in rescue tool) anyway" and "what is there to rescue to begin with" -factors |
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| 15:22.41 | wnd | WorkingOnWise, my experience is that reiserfs (i.e. reiserfs 3.5) is faster and more efficient (as in disk space) with small files but that comes with higher cpu usage |
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| 15:24.26 | jott | wnd: compared to xfs, jfs and ext3 on embedded systems with flash media? :) |
| 15:24.37 | wnd | you wish |
| 15:24.52 | jott | would be really an interesting benchmark :) |
| 15:24.55 | Veggen | jott: http://www.pastebin.ca/950384 |
| 15:25.06 | wnd | shouldn't be a problem to pull that out |
| 15:25.10 | Veggen | its the fisenoda layout |
| 15:25.38 | jott | wnd: sure.. takes just some time... just do it! :) |
| 15:26.53 | wnd | well, why not |
| 15:27.01 | wnd | I need to recompile the kernel anyway |
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| 15:27.57 | wnd | the last time I obviously forgot something. ipv6 works just fine, but the built-in flash is unaccessable. :-) |
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| 15:31.05 | jott | Veggen: the öà works fine with your layout :/ |
| 15:31.24 | Veggen | hmf. how? |
| 15:31.40 | jott | just loaded your file :/ |
| 15:31.50 | jott | strange things |
| 15:32.19 | Veggen | with chr+<keytorightofm> ? |
| 15:32.43 | jott | gives me this ø |
| 15:32.59 | jott | and chr+shift gives me à |
| 15:33.12 | Veggen | and keytorightofm gives ? |
| 15:33.20 | jott | ö |
| 15:34.12 | jott | and fn = |
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| 15:34.20 | jott | just as defined :o |
| 15:35.18 | jott | maybe you should try to reboot and see if it helps |
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| 15:36.04 | cyberholic | Is someone of you sitting or working together with Kenne? |
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| 15:45.14 | Jaffa | qgil's post on Ari's talk made LWN |
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| 15:50.41 | Veggen | jott: didn't help at all. and for me, things get reversed. i get an ø with the bare key. |
| 15:50.51 | jott | really strange |
| 15:51.19 | jott | well if it is for all keys it should be fine :) |
| 15:52.50 | Veggen | nope. the bkspc and enter lines you gave me worked like yours.. |
| 15:53.20 | jott | sick.. |
| 15:53.59 | jott | maybe try to pinpoint it and open a bug? |
| 15:54.26 | Veggen | but, hmm. i switched keyboard layout to german, then loaded fisenoda. |
| 15:54.35 | Veggen | and now it works. |
| 15:54.38 | jott | oh :O |
| 15:54.43 | WorkingOnWise | jott mentioned benchmarks, so I decide I would google again before I committed to a file system for my N800. I only want to do this once. I found this, http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz which is the best overall, best thought out and explained benchmark I have seen. Based on this, it looks like ext3 is indeed the best choice. It isn't based on flash media, but it does show that reiser is not as great as I thought |
| 15:54.54 | Veggen | there's something strange. |
| 15:56.47 | Veggen | jott: if you switch to scandinavian then load my fisenoda, do you get same result? |
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| 16:01.54 | jott | Veggen: hmm? you mean the original fisenoda layout? |
| 16:02.27 | Veggen | well, yes. then load my fisenoda |
| 16:05.57 | Veggen | I also mean switching in control panel. mazbe it does something else too besides loading another szmbol table. |
| 16:06.07 | jott | possibly...hmm |
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| 16:08.36 | jott | can't really reproduce you behaviour :( |
| 16:09.16 | Veggen | not if choosing finnish, swedish, ... and then loading mz fisenoda? |
| 16:10.29 | jott | hmm ok now i seem to always have this oslash thing .. |
| 16:12.56 | Veggen | i must have done something weird. |
| 16:13.26 | jott | speaking of ari's talk.. again we miss the source of the damn language/textinput config tool i suppose :/ |
| 16:14.04 | Sho_ | Hm, YouTube has started showing a "Watch this video in higher quality" link below some videos, which serves up a H.264 version. The link doesn't show in the ITOS browser since the Flash 9 version predates H.264 support. I wonder how that'll perform when the plugin is updated ... the HQ H.264 version might end up playing faster than the current LQ crap :) |
| 16:14.25 | Navi | It'll suck |
| 16:15.36 | Veggen | nuts. I need diff. |
| 16:15.58 | Navi | I still haven't listened to Ari's talk :( |
| 16:15.58 | jott | Veggen: sorry no idea what messes around there :( |
| 16:16.35 | jott | it seems the text input thingy does some other things when selecting fisenoda there :/ |
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| 16:21.58 | jott | Veggen: an ugly workaround would be to use a different layout with your settings :( |
| 16:22.08 | jott | and open a bug i suppose |
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| 16:24.53 | Veggen | hmm. well. I've gone a few steps back. perhaps I did something weird in my file. can't say what, though. |
| 16:26.14 | jott | Veggen: i suspect the proprietary nokia crap is fault ;p |
| 16:26.37 | jott | just copy your finesoda mapping to the de mappings and use a "German" layout ;) |
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| 16:35.23 | Veggen | jott: seems I'll have to. |
| 16:35.58 | Veggen | (I was on german setting when I got it all to work..) |
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| 17:03.57 | cyberholic | Hey people, anyone knows if i can use the maemo logo for a game that i am going to develop? |
| 17:04.48 | jott | cyberholic: http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/trademark_usage_guidelines.html |
| 17:06.47 | cyberholic | jott: thnx. It's realy crazy how you are foreced to use the correct phrase positions..... what if someone like me is not perfect in english? :( |
| 17:07.25 | jott | consult a lawyer in your jurisdiction :P |
| 17:07.42 | cyberholic | Lawyer? Well..... THAT sounds like open source! |
| 17:07.52 | jott | it's nokia not open source ;) |
| 17:07.58 | cyberholic | corrrrrect |
| 17:07.59 | jott | well serious, it's a trademark and has usage restrictions |
| 17:08.24 | jott | so the actual answer is "depends" ;-) |
| 17:08.37 | KotCzarny | linux is trademarked too |
| 17:08.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:08.49 | cyberholic | My mum is a trademark too! |
| 17:08.59 | cyberholic | oh sorry... no.. i mean LANDMARK. |
| 17:09.05 | cyberholic | My mum is a landmark too! |
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| 17:10.15 | cyberholic | Am i allowed to put something like "Specially designed for the NOKIA n800/n810 edition" in an intro? This is really weird if not :( |
| 17:10.40 | KotCzarny | 'compatible with'? |
| 17:10.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:10.59 | cyberholic | 'assimilated by NOKIA' ? |
| 17:11.09 | jott | an put some ⢠all over the place :) |
| 17:11.15 | cyberholic | *lol* |
| 17:11.35 | cyberholic | Does NOKIA is the abbreviation for KNOCK YA OFF!? |
| 17:11.45 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 17:11.49 | KotCzarny | it's finnish |
| 17:12.02 | cyberholic | no... if you use the logo in a wrong way then YOU ARE FINISHED! |
| 17:12.05 | cyberholic | ;) |
| 17:12.07 | jaska | finnished |
| 17:12.26 | KotCzarny | finnishland |
| 17:12.35 | cyberholic | Does finish come from "because it is a land at the finishing border of a continent?" |
| 17:12.38 | jku | cyberholic you are allowed, that's what fair use is about |
| 17:13.06 | jott | jku: using a logo is not "fair use" under all conditions |
| 17:13.16 | cyberholic | jku: i know... just kidding and getting a bit sarcastic. I luv NOKIA. but i luv maemo more then i do luv NOKIA. |
| 17:13.24 | jku | yeah I was answering to last question |
| 17:13.28 | jott | kk |
| 17:13.57 | jott | so writing "NOKIA is the abbreviation for KNOCK YA OFF" should be fine? *scnr* |
| 17:14.15 | jku | if it's the truth :) |
| 17:14.27 | jaska | its named after a finnish town |
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| 17:14.55 | Italodance | hello |
| 17:14.58 | Italodance | guys |
| 17:14.59 | cyberholic | A town is never finish (see Anno 1805) |
| 17:15.04 | Italodance | ummm |
| 17:15.09 | cyberholic | or Sim CITY 2000 |
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| 17:15.52 | inz | cyberholic, sure a town can be finish, just make it shaped like a fin |
| 17:16.00 | cyberholic | *lol* |
| 17:16.57 | cyberholic | It looks like i am a bit tooo sarcastic since i developed the HAL9000 Mojo |
| 17:16.57 | jku | whoa, the guidelines actually say this: "Do not use maemo logos or names in any commercial or marketing context unless you have explicit written permission" |
| 17:17.06 | KotCzarny | wood-pulp mill |
| 17:17.07 | KotCzarny | eheh |
| 17:17.17 | cyberholic | jku: yeah and there is a mail to write to. |
| 17:17.48 | lcuk_2 | jku, why would you be expected to use somebody elses trademarked/copyrighted designs? |
| 17:18.03 | KotCzarny | to make it look professional |
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| 17:18.05 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:18.15 | jaska | ultra total pro plus |
| 17:18.15 | jku | lcuk_2, fair use still applies |
| 17:18.20 | jku | names can be used |
| 17:18.47 | cyberholic | jku: as long as you write them in the correct phrase (see guidelines) |
| 17:18.50 | jku | they can't really stop anyone using "maemo" in a sentence (if that sentence is not false) |
| 17:18.55 | jott | jku: actually this depends on your jurisdiction :) |
| 17:18.59 | jku | sure |
| 17:19.01 | KotCzarny | jku: can files from the rootfs be used in a program? |
| 17:19.04 | lcuk_2 | fair use applies if you are not MARKETING or using COMMERCIALLY their property |
| 17:19.09 | KotCzarny | i believe there's nokia logo between them |
| 17:19.10 | jott | "fair use" is more an american term ;) |
| 17:19.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:19.10 | lcuk_2 | which is exactly what they say |
| 17:19.28 | lcuk_2 | "i love my nokia" < i am not selling anything |
| 17:19.54 | jku | jott, sure is, but the principle is used everywhere |
| 17:19.54 | lcuk_2 | buy my "Nokia Maemo Super Program v1.0" is wrong |
| 17:20.04 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 17:20.12 | jott | jku: chinese "fair use" is different ;P |
| 17:20.19 | cyberholic | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! |
| 17:20.27 | KotCzarny | but you could use "Maemo Super Program v1.0 for nokia n8x0" |
| 17:20.29 | cyberholic | jott: you should get a grammy for that! |
| 17:20.57 | lcuk_2 | describing the target != the name of your product |
| 17:20.58 | jku | KotCzarny, no, you can't |
| 17:21.23 | lcuk_2 | "Mysuperprogram v1.0" (for Nokia Internet Tablets) |
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| 17:21.28 | KotCzarny | jku: which one? logo or 'for' clause? |
| 17:21.31 | cyberholic | Hey guys: do you remember the good old Starfield Screensaver from win 3.1.1? |
| 17:21.34 | jku | "Maemo" |
| 17:21.54 | lcuk_2 | yes cyber - and it would be absolute bollocks in flash but great in native |
| 17:22.00 | lcuk_2 | ive already wrote one ;) |
| 17:22.08 | cyberholic | I just developed a Mojo showing the starfield animation but it works only with 20 stars, more will recudece the performance to zero |
| 17:22.10 | jku | the programs that currently have Maemo in their names have special permissions (took the names before guidelines were in use) |
| 17:22.17 | cyberholic | lcuk: AWESOME! |
| 17:22.19 | lcuk_2 | mine has 1000 |
| 17:22.26 | cyberholic | coooooooooooool! |
| 17:22.32 | lcuk_2 | it is actually :) |
| 17:22.38 | cyberholic | download! |
| 17:23.03 | lcuk_2 | pah, get away no1 has had anything yet and the first to see something will be pupnik in about n weeks |
| 17:23.05 | cyberholic | i mean "I want to Download the Maemo super programm called "starfield" by lcuk for Nokia n800" now! |
| 17:23.22 | lcuk_2 | (since he was nice and found me a baseline empty sdl project :) ) |
| 17:23.33 | cyberholic | ok.... then i'll wait. |
| 17:23.36 | lcuk_2 | when i get enough together |
| 17:24.09 | lcuk_2 | i had to write a pset routine and a starfield was the best thing to test it with - especially since my screen is mainly b&w |
| 17:24.55 | lcuk_2 | anyway i think its time to pack up and go home (sneaking on at work) ill b back later on |
| 17:25.26 | cyberholic | ba bay |
| 17:25.36 | cyberholic | lcuk: i am writing a "laser show" at the moment... wanna see it? |
| 17:26.33 | KotCzarny | why don't you just port xscreensaver package |
| 17:26.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:26.46 | cyberholic | lol |
| 17:26.54 | cyberholic | cause i can`t code for *nix.... |
| 17:27.15 | cyberholic | i do not have the written permission ;) |
| 17:27.21 | KotCzarny | but you can use routines |
| 17:27.26 | KotCzarny | its gpl dummy |
| 17:27.44 | cyberholic | i was just kidding mate ;) |
| 17:27.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 17:28.51 | cyberholic | Kot: wanna see it in action?... i mean the laser show? |
| 17:28.57 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 17:29.01 | KotCzarny | i'm still sleeping |
| 17:29.04 | cyberholic | lol |
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| 20:18.44 | CrashandDie | Well |
| 20:18.56 | CrashandDie | I wanted a keyboard on the n810 again |
| 20:19.03 | CrashandDie | (real one) |
| 20:19.13 | Cptnodegard | buy one |
| 20:19.19 | CrashandDie | nha, wanted to mod one |
| 20:19.47 | Cptnodegard | there are perfectly good ones available to buy |
| 20:19.55 | CrashandDie | So I started prepping a usb cable (female) |
| 20:20.13 | CrashandDie | then I went to get a keyboard |
| 20:20.17 | CrashandDie | and that's when I noticed |
| 20:20.23 | CrashandDie | I don't have any usb keyboards left :( |
| 20:20.54 | Cptnodegard | buy an adapter |
| 20:21.22 | CrashandDie | yeah, like I'm going to do that :/ |
| 20:21.48 | CrashandDie | Buy a $30 PS2-KB to USB adaptor, or buy a $50 BT BT :D |
| 20:21.53 | Cptnodegard | just buy an igo like everyone else :9 |
| 20:22.09 | CrashandDie | yeah, that's what I'll end up doing prolly |
| 20:22.10 | Navi | or buy a 15 dollar USB keyboard and not have to mess with a PS2-to-USB |
| 20:22.28 | Cptnodegard | i dont know what planet youre from but here on earth adapters dont cost that much |
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| 20:22.57 | Cptnodegard | http://www.uxcell.com/mini-usb-keys-keyboard-for-computer-laptop-p-7413.html is good, its much smaller than normal keyboards |
| 20:23.23 | AStorm | heh, check out the frogpad |
| 20:23.41 | AStorm | if you're into reduced keyboards |
| 20:25.20 | CrashandDie | Navi, yeah, that too :) |
| 20:28.22 | CrashandDie | Cptnodegard, yeah, that's not going to cut it |
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| 20:37.49 | BabelO | hi |
| 20:39.03 | BabelO | sorry its me again, can anyone int be to a howto activate serial / other bt services on n800, i did not see any service on n800 from a remote device |
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| 20:44.29 | wasabi | i don't suppose anybody might know where one could buy a nand memory controller... perhaps pci express. It needs to be able to be used by MTD. |
| 20:44.40 | wasabi | And I'm looking for something consumerish, that can be put into a regular desktop. |
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| 20:44.48 | wasabi | And doesn't require me to solder stuff. =) |
| 20:44.52 | KotCzarny | sd reader? |
| 20:44.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:45.13 | wasabi | That's why I said MTD. |
| 20:45.26 | KotCzarny | i believe you can throw in some mtd emulation |
| 20:45.34 | wasabi | I don't want emulation. |
| 20:45.44 | jaska | itll still end up doing wear leveling etc on the card |
| 20:46.02 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 21:28.07 | KotCzarny | yawn |
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| 21:59.44 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:59.51 | KotCzarny | mass quit detected |
| 22:04.54 | wom-_ | everyone is leaving.. maybe its because of easter holidays |
| 22:05.10 | KotCzarny | ..or my bad breath |
| 22:05.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:05.30 | wom-_ | :) |
| 22:05.35 | CrashandDie | yeah, I'll take the second option |
| 22:05.56 | CrashandDie | Anyway, anyone here uses the n810 with the usb in host setting ? |
| 22:06.06 | Jaffa | Occasionally |
| 22:06.28 | CrashandDie | Jaffa, what cable do you use ? The stock one ? With a fem-fem adaptor ? |
| 22:10.32 | Jaffa | CrashandDie: yup |
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| 23:17.07 | KotCzarny | irc: command not found |
| 23:17.31 | Grackle | >.>; |
| 23:17.59 | Mousey | HEY!! you're not a shell prompt! |
| 23:18.12 | Mousey | lurks, all embarassed |
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