| 00:00.19 | AStorm | blah, no real vim in my repo... |
| 00:00.36 | johnx | AStorm, you've seen Debian for the N800, right? |
| 00:00.48 | Luria | damn, and ive been checking cl all day. |
| 00:00.57 | AStorm | john, sure |
| 00:01.02 | Luria | ooh. debian...i'm so out of the maemo loop... |
| 00:01.39 | johnx | Luria, there's still a lot of tweaking left to do, but you can play around with it at this stage at least |
| 00:01.56 | Luria | how reliable is input? |
| 00:02.19 | Luria | for both pen/touch and bt? |
| 00:02.35 | AStorm | johnx, I come from Gentoo, i fear no Debian ,P |
| 00:02.36 | johnx | I have no idea about bt, but it should be fine |
| 00:02.46 | Luria | i can deal with a lot of things, but not feeling like i have control is the worst |
| 00:02.53 | Luria | what ui? |
| 00:03.16 | johnx | Maemo/Hildon by default, but you can install anything that has a Debian ARMEL port |
| 00:03.19 | *** join/#maemo pdz (n=paul@135.14.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 00:03.25 | AStorm | but then, retooling maemo would be more fun |
| 00:04.03 | Luria | is it keeping to debian philosophy? |
| 00:04.08 | johnx | nope |
| 00:04.16 | johnx | lot's of closed source stuff, just to make it boot |
| 00:04.25 | AStorm | ya |
| 00:04.43 | AStorm | can't be more open yet |
| 00:05.06 | johnx | there won't be an "open" Debian for the N800 until the following is replaced: wifi driver, binary blob for bt, sound/dsp code, Nokia dsme/bme |
| 00:05.34 | AStorm | isn't wifi fully in user space? |
| 00:05.46 | johnx | uhm...no |
| 00:06.02 | johnx | lsmod | grep cx3110x |
| 00:06.04 | AStorm | bt is an open typical chip afaicr? |
| 00:06.14 | AStorm | hmm :/ |
| 00:06.24 | johnx | IIRC, there is a binary firmware blob that needs to be uploaded into it |
| 00:06.35 | johnx | no issue really, but not "completely open" |
| 00:06.38 | AStorm | hmm |
| 00:08.08 | Luria | yeah, i was hoping independant drivers had been written. |
| 00:08.11 | Luria | oh well. |
| 00:08.27 | johnx | yeah, it turns out they don't write themselves |
| 00:08.48 | johnx | it's really not an issue for right now anyways |
| 00:09.02 | johnx | and actually bme is the biggest problem, I think |
| 00:09.17 | AStorm | bme being? |
| 00:09.35 | johnx | Nokia's proprietary userspace battery monitoring / charging daemon |
| 00:09.59 | *** join/#maemo Mousey (n=AreYou@dsl093-144-195.sba1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 00:09.59 | *** join/#maemo Masca (n=Masca@CableLink197-64.telefonia.InterCable.net) |
| 00:10.39 | AStorm | mhm |
| 00:11.00 | AStorm | that could be easily opened by them... why not? |
| 00:11.32 | johnx | I think the justification is that it might reveal some kind of proprietary magic they do with battery charging or something |
| 00:12.22 | AStorm | lol |
| 00:12.30 | ds3 | johnx: what blob for BT? |
| 00:12.33 | KotCzarny | or some kind of stupidity |
| 00:12.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:12.35 | Luria | ah, the mythical and nont functional set_apm_to_zpm method. |
| 00:12.39 | AStorm | any real business can reverse that |
| 00:13.29 | AStorm | hmm, can't directly update to devel maemo |
| 00:13.36 | AStorm | conflicts |
| 00:13.56 | johnx | ds3, just going by what I heard...let me see if I can dig it up in a sec |
| 00:14.26 | AStorm | gimme gvim ffs... |
| 00:14.37 | ds3 | johnx: the only thing the bluetooth requires is 1 firmware file |
| 00:14.46 | ds3 | the rest is in the linux-omap tree |
| 00:15.25 | johnx | ds3, that's probably what I was thinking of |
| 00:17.46 | ds3 | johnx: but that is no worse then say a WiFi athereos card |
| 00:18.09 | AStorm | hmm, installing devel maemo will take some time |
| 00:18.16 | ds3 | now if someone could get the freemac to work on the 770/800... :) |
| 00:18.27 | AStorm | unlikely |
| 00:18.47 | AStorm | wifi is closed |
| 00:21.03 | ds3 | eh? |
| 00:21.59 | *** join/#maemo chris___ (n=chris@adsl-75-19-177-196.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:22.33 | chris___ | it looks like the Official mozilla builds for maemo are now being compiled every day: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/xulrunner-1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2 |
| 00:22.45 | chris___ | i just need to find an xulrunner shell app that'll work with it |
| 00:22.48 | johnx | neat |
| 00:23.37 | ds3 | AStorm: freemac is a project for a similar Connexant chipset to replace the closed softmac... from a search, the author has asked for people to try getting freemac working on the 800/770hardware |
| 00:24.19 | AStorm | hehe :) |
| 00:24.31 | AStorm | so not all hope is lost |
| 00:25.42 | Robot101 | jmworx: don't know how interesting you'd find the speex story, but I think the rtp payloader/depay'r being broken isn't the prime cause of it being broken on maemo's rtcomm stuff after all, its that the farsight media library can't cope with mixing between the gstreamer src/sink elements which are codecs on the dsp, and normal software elements |
| 00:25.56 | *** join/#maemo jprieur (n=jprieur@hoasb-ff03dd00-31.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 00:26.55 | Robot101 | the gstreamer things were at least made to work (the depayloader sends a header to the decoder, but this seems a suspect solution to me) in recent gstreamer |
| 00:28.24 | AStorm | brb, reboot for os update |
| 00:28.33 | Robot101 | but stream engine/farsight wasn't required to deal with some codecs being dsp src/sink elements, and some being software, so it either gets confused when you set, or don't set, pcm src/sink elements :( |
| 00:29.07 | desertc | UQM looks awesome |
| 00:29.11 | desertc | Thanks so much |
| 00:29.23 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 00:29.30 | KotCzarny | anyone with bt kb? |
| 00:29.52 | KotCzarny | when do i enter pin during pairing? |
| 00:30.21 | chris___ | Ok - instructions for getting FF 3.0 running on maemo: http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ |
| 00:30.24 | chris___ | Screenshots there too |
| 00:31.03 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 00:32.53 | AStorm | hmm, have tgo prep scratchbox with devel maemo |
| 00:36.00 | *** join/#maemo giskard (n=giskard@213-140-15-170.fastres.net) |
| 00:38.46 | ds3 | KotCzarny: on the keyboard? |
| 00:40.02 | chris___ | Holy cow |
| 00:40.06 | chris___ | This thing is so much better than microB |
| 00:40.15 | chris___ | and easy to install |
| 00:40.23 | KotCzarny | wow. finally. paired |
| 00:41.01 | AStorm | 1337 kernel hackers are using maemo |
| 00:41.05 | KotCzarny | but now, how do i enter F3 etc? |
| 00:41.11 | AStorm | +1 for Nokia |
| 00:41.35 | AStorm | KotCzarny, uhm,like,from the kkeyboard? |
| 00:41.41 | KotCzarny | astorm: yeah |
| 00:42.12 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 00:42.14 | KotCzarny | got them. |
| 00:42.24 | KotCzarny | blue fn + a-l |
| 00:42.44 | *** join/#maemo tjafk1 (i=timj@e176208163.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:45.50 | KotCzarny | now. i have to learn how to type |
| 00:47.17 | KotCzarny | now if powersaving wasn't such a .. chore |
| 00:47.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:47.28 | WorkingOnWise | is the N800 capable of stereo bluetooth? |
| 00:48.16 | johnx | kinda, sorta :/ |
| 00:49.09 | WorkingOnWise | um....ok lol |
| 00:49.38 | WorkingOnWise | explain a little please ...hehe |
| 00:53.13 | KotCzarny | i'm gonna love this kb |
| 00:53.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:54.42 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, it only works with things that use mplayer for sound output and it takes up 50% of the CPU while running, sometimes it skips |
| 00:55.04 | AStorm | whee, got rid of the shift-notifier |
| 00:55.06 | johnx | also, it takes a little time at the command line to setup |
| 00:55.20 | AStorm | now i need some leds :P |
| 00:57.50 | KotCzarny | now i should have reduce status bar icons |
| 00:58.11 | KotCzarny | scratch 'have' |
| 00:59.04 | AStorm | yup, smaller ones would be nice |
| 00:59.11 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 00:59.12 | KotCzarny | no |
| 00:59.15 | KotCzarny | not size |
| 00:59.18 | KotCzarny | amount |
| 00:59.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:59.25 | AStorm | but extremely hard to hit with fingers |
| 00:59.33 | AStorm | ya |
| 00:59.44 | KotCzarny | let's see if it works with n-gage too |
| 00:59.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:59.54 | AStorm | xchat tray can be disabled i.e. |
| 01:00.57 | cLin | anyone use mediaserv? |
| 01:01.08 | johnx | I used it for a while |
| 01:01.14 | cLin | do you run windows? |
| 01:01.24 | johnx | nope |
| 01:01.27 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 01:02.16 | cLin | you are suppose to set up transcode on the pc and mediaserv on the n800 right? |
| 01:02.31 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 01:02.41 | KotCzarny | n-gage paired, but seems to require driver |
| 01:02.59 | johnx | mediaserv runs on the PC |
| 01:03.21 | johnx | you *might* be able to make it run on the tablet with some hacking |
| 01:03.28 | johnx | that would be kind of interesting actually |
| 01:03.36 | cLin | wait, i thought the point would was to runon the n800 |
| 01:03.54 | johnx | mediaserv runs on the PC, then transcodes and streams things to the tablet |
| 01:04.00 | cLin | oh |
| 01:04.02 | cLin | yea, i want to do that |
| 01:04.17 | *** join/#maemo giskard (n=giskard@213-140-15-170.fastres.net) |
| 01:04.29 | johnx | I have no idea if it works on WIndows... |
| 01:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's http |
| 01:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Cygwin plus hacking |
| 01:05.05 | GeneralAntilles | maybe |
| 01:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | mediaserv serves up html pages with the videos |
| 01:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | click the one you want |
| 01:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | it starts transcoding and streaming. |
| 01:05.55 | cLin | any tutorials? |
| 01:06.26 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to run it under Windows, anyway? |
| 01:06.35 | cLin | cause im on it and thats where my content is? |
| 01:06.42 | GeneralAntilles | Instructions: Install Linux, run mediaserv |
| 01:06.56 | cLin | ... |
| 01:06.58 | KotCzarny | and as a bonus kb pouch can be used for nokia too |
| 01:06.59 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | You have Windows, there's a thousand and one better supported transcoding solutions. |
| 01:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | Orb, TVersity, etc, etc, etc |
| 01:07.27 | KotCzarny | virtualdub |
| 01:07.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:07.31 | cLin | oh, just read that and wanted ot check it out |
| 01:08.02 | johnx | if you installed cygwin and the supporting software you might be able to make it work...it probably won't be all that straightforward though |
| 01:08.26 | cLin | ill check out tversity and orb |
| 01:10.12 | *** join/#maemo tigrux (n=tigrux@189.154.50.158) |
| 01:10.37 | KotCzarny | clin: try virtualdub |
| 01:10.52 | cLin | isn't that a converter? |
| 01:11.18 | KotCzarny | what's the difference between transcoder and converter then? |
| 01:11.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:11.32 | johnx | KotCzarny, he wants something like mediaserv |
| 01:11.42 | KotCzarny | ah |
| 01:11.49 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 01:11.51 | johnx | hence the whole discussion |
| 01:11.59 | KotCzarny | i was playing with a igo kb |
| 01:12.18 | KotCzarny | so i didn't see most of it |
| 01:12.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:18.16 | *** join/#maemo behda1 (n=behdad@drms-590c685f.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 01:18.50 | *** join/#maemo johnx (n=john@softbank221106232002.bbtec.net) |
| 01:21.23 | *** join/#maemo _ken__ (n=user@84.92.70.37) |
| 01:29.26 | *** join/#maemo pto (n=pto@0x5552f3de.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 01:30.48 | *** join/#maemo hfwilke (n=hfwilke@19.sub-70-197-85.myvzw.com) |
| 01:31.12 | *** join/#maemo gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 01:33.23 | fysa | tversity is the windows mediaserv alternative. |
| 01:33.30 | fysa | ;o |
| 01:44.02 | *** join/#maemo corq-FL (n=corq@197.138.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 01:45.53 | *** join/#maemo greentux_ (n=lemke@Z704b.z.pppool.de) |
| 01:49.03 | KotCzarny | re. |
| 01:49.13 | KotCzarny | yup. nice keyboard. |
| 01:49.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:53.45 | *** join/#maemo Tuco11 (n=Tuco1@nypix.ebi.com) |
| 01:58.18 | *** join/#maemo salinasv (n=Masca@CableLink197-64.telefonia.InterCable.net) |
| 01:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if anybody is planning on fixing bugzilla |
| 01:59.19 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe they've just thrown in the flag. |
| 01:59.29 | johnx | have you filed a bug? :P |
| 01:59.30 | KotCzarny | more like on vacations |
| 01:59.31 | *** join/#maemo tony2001 (n=tony@mail.daylessday.org) |
| 01:59.51 | *** join/#maemo errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 01:59.59 | GeneralAntilles | . . . clever. |
| 02:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | The db is read-only. :P |
| 02:00.16 | *** join/#maemo zorrolero (n=zorroler@85.88.5.125) |
| 02:00.30 | KotCzarny | what a pity |
| 02:00.31 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 02:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | I say again, for anybody who missed it, the case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo |
| 02:00.58 | johnx | sorry, I really couldn't resist... |
| 02:08.05 | desertc | Here's a dumb question: Where's the microphone on the N800 ? |
| 02:08.09 | *** join/#maemo jacky (n=chatzill@123.112.9.75) |
| 02:08.11 | KotCzarny | on top |
| 02:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | Look at the case |
| 02:08.28 | KotCzarny | that little hole |
| 02:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | take a guess. :P |
| 02:08.32 | desertc | I am always making VoIP calls and turning the device around asking if they can hear me |
| 02:08.35 | GeneralAntilles | (hint, it's on the top. :P) |
| 02:08.40 | jacky | Should maemo3.1 work with N800's OS2008? Thanks |
| 02:08.54 | desertc | what a weird place for the mic |
| 02:08.56 | johnx | jacky, OS2008 is maemo4.x |
| 02:08.56 | KotCzarny | jacky: probably |
| 02:09.09 | KotCzarny | but not guaranted |
| 02:09.14 | johnx | KotCzarny, uhm no |
| 02:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | Why, desertc? |
| 02:09.31 | desertc | not very phone-like -- I have to remember to use my headset |
| 02:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a phone. |
| 02:09.38 | johnx | jacky, generally stuff for maemo3.x/OS2007 needs to be changed to work with OS2008/maemo4.x |
| 02:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | Just use it like a speakerphone |
| 02:09.43 | KotCzarny | desertc: how do you use it? |
| 02:09.53 | KotCzarny | it usually stands/pays on desk |
| 02:09.55 | GeneralAntilles | jacky, there are major API breaks between maemo 3 and 4 |
| 02:10.01 | KotCzarny | johnx: generally |
| 02:10.03 | jacky | So to develop on OS2008, I have to upgrade maemo3.1 to maemo4.x? |
| 02:10.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:10.15 | KotCzarny | jacky: yes |
| 02:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Quite. |
| 02:10.38 | KotCzarny | but stuff developed with maemo4 won't work on maemo3 |
| 02:10.44 | desertc | well - you typically have the speakers facing you, so you'd think the mic would face you, too |
| 02:10.44 | KotCzarny | definitely |
| 02:10.45 | *** join/#maemo maxkilla (n=matt@adsl-71-138-133-72.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 02:10.46 | jacky | Thanks. I need to download the whole stuff again. |
| 02:10.53 | KotCzarny | desertc: it faces you |
| 02:10.59 | KotCzarny | when you extend the stand |
| 02:11.04 | KotCzarny | and put it on the desk |
| 02:11.25 | desertc | when I extend the stand, the mic is on the back |
| 02:11.31 | KotCzarny | not quite |
| 02:11.38 | desertc | well, not quite |
| 02:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's a good mic |
| 02:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | Not really directional |
| 02:11.49 | KotCzarny | also remember that sound is a wave |
| 02:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | So it doesn't really matter. |
| 02:11.50 | jacky | Anyone has experience in compiling external kernel module for the OS2008? |
| 02:11.54 | KotCzarny | that will reach it anyway |
| 02:12.00 | KotCzarny | jacky: external? |
| 02:12.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:12.06 | desertc | GeneralAntilles: okay, thanks - you're right, no one has ever complained about it |
| 02:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | The real signal-quality killer is voip. ;) |
| 02:12.37 | jacky | I need some help on to setup the environment and the instruction to do so. Thanks |
| 02:12.41 | johnx | jacky, yes, there's a tutorial on recompiling the kernel that you should look at |
| 02:12.44 | KotCzarny | jacky: maemo.org |
| 02:12.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:13.03 | KotCzarny | once you have scratchbox + sdk it's just regular ocnfigure & make |
| 02:13.09 | KotCzarny | or make config & make |
| 02:13.12 | *** join/#maemo kcome_ (n=kcome@58.213.220.81) |
| 02:13.15 | KotCzarny | (in case of the kernel) |
| 02:13.26 | johnx | jacky, info here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html |
| 02:13.31 | KotCzarny | or if you can fix one line in kernel's makefile you can even use make menuconfig |
| 02:13.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:15.09 | jacky | Thanks, I just need ipqueue.ko module. I want to use an ad-hoc routing protocol which requires ipqueue.ko. I will see the instruction here.Thanks |
| 02:15.59 | johnx | no problem. that should be perfectly straightforward |
| 02:16.30 | *** join/#maemo oob (n=oob@photon-comb.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 02:16.56 | oob | hello |
| 02:17.00 | johnx | hi |
| 02:17.16 | Navi | hi |
| 02:17.20 | KotCzarny | hi |
| 02:25.48 | oob | question; I have an n810. whenever I start an application that can take text input, a box pops up at the bottom of the screen that has "ABC" written in the bottom corner. WHat is this box for and how do I make it go away? |
| 02:26.34 | johnx | I have an N800 but I think that's the text completion box |
| 02:26.44 | johnx | there's a setting for it in the control panel |
| 02:26.52 | johnx | (I think) |
| 02:29.37 | *** join/#maemo Lateralus (n=Owner@cpe-66-75-55-95.san.res.rr.com) |
| 02:32.14 | oob | cheers johnx |
| 02:36.35 | *** join/#maemo seraph1 (i=ecrespo@200.93.93.29) |
| 03:02.07 | *** join/#maemo Masca (n=Masca@CableLink195-49.telefonia.InterCable.net) |
| 03:04.06 | *** join/#maemo slomo_ (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo) |
| 03:07.03 | *** join/#maemo gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 03:13.54 | dragorn | oob: you have to dig into the language settings |
| 03:14.04 | dragorn | oob: but it's there. it's in a non-intuitive location |
| 03:18.50 | oob | thanks dragorn, much appreciated. |
| 03:19.13 | dragorn | if you can't find it, let me know, and I'll look again. it took me weeks to dig it up |
| 03:19.33 | dragorn | I think it's like 2 windows deep in language settings |
| 03:20.28 | *** join/#maemo oilinki (n=oil@ppp-124-122-182-127.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 03:26.03 | WorkingOnWise | how can I get stereo bluetooth on the N800 with OS 2008? I cant find a how too.... |
| 03:26.48 | Proteous | first you get two N800s... |
| 03:26.48 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp |
| 03:27.17 | johnx | it *only* works in things that use mplayer, such as kagu |
| 03:27.27 | johnx | it will not work with the included media player |
| 03:27.59 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4244 |
| 03:28.01 | KotCzarny | ahaahaha |
| 03:28.33 | WorkingOnWise | lol at Proteous |
| 03:28.37 | oob | dragorn; settings..control panel..text input settings..languages..settings |
| 03:28.52 | johnx | KotCzarny, that's awesome...I wonder why they were videoing it though |
| 03:29.07 | WorkingOnWise | does it work with Canola |
| 03:29.08 | KotCzarny | maybe those workers were struggling with it |
| 03:29.14 | dragorn | oob: sounds right. it's definitely not easy to find. |
| 03:29.28 | johnx | KotCzarny, if the dude with the camera actually gave them a hand... |
| 03:29.30 | KotCzarny | or maybe it was weird to see something that big in exclusive building |
| 03:29.41 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, I don't actually know... |
| 03:30.00 | johnx | you could test it and tell me, and I'll update that post :D |
| 03:30.50 | WorkingOnWise | I'll have to see then. I have a shiney new N800 and a Motorola S9 stereo bluetooth headset |
| 03:31.31 | oob | dragorn: - truly. thanks for saving me weeks trying to find it |
| 03:31.34 | johnx | I just switched back to wired headphones for now. Theoretically Nokia is working on it and maybe we'll see stereo bluetooth in the next major release |
| 03:32.01 | WorkingOnWise | can I expect the next major release to work with the N800? |
| 03:32.14 | johnx | yes |
| 03:32.18 | johnx | guaranteed |
| 03:32.19 | WorkingOnWise | :D |
| 03:32.40 | Navi | bets johnx is a liar |
| 03:32.46 | WorkingOnWise | so, whats the most feature rich PIM for the N800? |
| 03:33.03 | Navi | Pimlico is my personal favorite |
| 03:33.15 | johnx | WorkingOnWise, GPE comes to mind. also the o-hand pimlico stuff is a little more slick but not as feature-rich |
| 03:33.20 | johnx | Navi, eh? about the next release or about the a2dp? |
| 03:33.34 | Navi | about your existence. You don't exist. |
| 03:33.42 | Proteous | there is no spoon |
| 03:33.45 | Navi | swallows a handful of blue pills |
| 03:33.52 | johnx | ooookay |
| 03:33.56 | Navi | Lol :) |
| 03:34.16 | Navi | Just give Pimlico a bit of time |
| 03:34.30 | Navi | slick stuff |
| 03:35.23 | WorkingOnWise | does the back cover on all N800's move around? |
| 03:35.30 | johnx | yup |
| 03:35.36 | Navi | move around? |
| 03:35.43 | Navi | oh, kinda |
| 03:35.45 | WorkingOnWise | feels very cheap |
| 03:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | Unit is solid as a rock. |
| 03:36.07 | Navi | Not really :/ |
| 03:36.18 | KotCzarny | well |
| 03:36.20 | KotCzarny | either that |
| 03:36.25 | KotCzarny | ot 2kg in your pocket |
| 03:36.25 | Navi | The cheap feeling, that is |
| 03:36.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:36.28 | KotCzarny | *or |
| 03:36.41 | johnx | mine's stood up pretty well to lots of abuse |
| 03:36.50 | KotCzarny | brutal |
| 03:36.54 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 03:36.56 | KotCzarny | *brute |
| 03:36.58 | Navi | I've already dropped it a few times into concrete |
| 03:37.03 | Navi | onto* |
| 03:37.12 | Navi | accidentally, of course :/ |
| 03:37.17 | WorkingOnWise | i'll NOT test that :D |
| 03:37.22 | WorkingOnWise | hehe |
| 03:37.27 | Navi | is clumsy |
| 03:37.38 | WorkingOnWise | darn gravity |
| 03:37.41 | johnx | gah, I remember having my Zaurus C1000 fly out of my hands and bounce across blacktop O_o |
| 03:37.46 | Navi | Lol |
| 03:37.51 | KotCzarny | blacktop? |
| 03:38.31 | johnx | KotCzarny, http://www.google.com/search?q=blacktop |
| 03:38.41 | johnx | helpful pictures included |
| 03:39.16 | KotCzarny | you mean asphalt? |
| 03:39.16 | johnx | asphalt I guess |
| 03:39.16 | johnx | whatever :P |
| 03:40.02 | KotCzarny | actually asphalt is a little more flexible than concrete |
| 03:40.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:40.08 | *** join/#maemo maxkilla (n=matt@adsl-71-138-133-72.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 03:40.17 | johnx | this stuff was pretty rough though |
| 03:40.25 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 03:40.46 | johnx | my poor zaurus ended up with a nice scuff mark on the corner, but no other damage |
| 03:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | Dropped mine on concrete a couple times. |
| 03:40.56 | KotCzarny | actually if device is light it will suffer less damages |
| 03:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | The grippiness has pretty much worn off my N800. |
| 03:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | The plastic is very slick these days. <_< |
| 03:41.09 | KotCzarny | it will hit slower |
| 03:41.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:41.15 | GeneralAntilles | Landed on corners |
| 03:41.17 | GeneralAntilles | can't even tell. |
| 03:41.38 | Navi | Anyways |
| 03:41.58 | Navi | I've owned my fair share of junk that's made out of cheap plastic |
| 03:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | You ARE junk made of cheap plastic. :P |
| 03:42.23 | KotCzarny | i wonder when they produce 'computer in a cheap', complete with wireless communications/power source |
| 03:42.35 | KotCzarny | without any external pins |
| 03:42.39 | Navi | cries to KotCzarny |
| 03:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | Also, it was way more than your fair share you greedy bastard. |
| 03:42.57 | *** join/#maemo corq-FL (n=corq@197.138.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 03:42.59 | KotCzarny | and size of a postal stamp |
| 03:43.05 | lopz | bye |
| 03:43.17 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 03:43.20 | KotCzarny | *chip |
| 03:43.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:43.23 | KotCzarny | of course |
| 03:44.11 | johnx | mmm....radio-isotope batteries |
| 03:44.28 | maxkilla | Anyone have tcpdump for n770? |
| 03:44.30 | Proteous | I'm waiting for my "computer in a chimp" |
| 03:44.37 | KotCzarny | in a chirp |
| 03:44.42 | GeneralAntilles | put Linux on a dead badger last summer. |
| 03:44.47 | Proteous | heh |
| 03:45.05 | KotCzarny | in a chink? |
| 03:45.46 | KotCzarny | in a cheese |
| 03:46.03 | GeneralAntilles | These Tor books work great in FBReader. |
| 03:47.13 | KotCzarny | lol.. in a chic |
| 03:47.14 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:47.23 | KotCzarny | or chick |
| 03:47.56 | KotCzarny | or child |
| 03:48.00 | oob | I've connected an N810 to Asterisk. The N810 can make outbound calls but cannot receive calls. Asterisk reports that the N810 is sending back an error; Got SIP response 405 "Method Not Allowed" back from n810 |
| 03:48.01 | pupnik | rocks out to traditional laos music |
| 03:48.04 | Navi | I love using comix for mah manga :3 |
| 03:48.20 | oob | question - what method does the n810's SIP client not allow? :) |
| 03:48.44 | Proteous | the method named "Not Allowed" |
| 03:48.51 | KotCzarny | i have yet to see good image browser |
| 03:48.56 | Proteous | I just delete that method and everything works fine |
| 03:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | One of the ones that's not allowed. :P |
| 03:49.04 | KotCzarny | with animated-gifs support |
| 03:49.05 | johnx | Navi, does it work well? |
| 03:49.19 | Navi | johnx, after a bit of modification, yes |
| 03:49.21 | Proteous | oob: in reality, no idea |
| 03:49.22 | KotCzarny | irfanview is my favourite |
| 03:49.31 | KotCzarny | but no source code.. |
| 03:49.35 | oob | Proteous, really? :) |
| 03:49.42 | oilinki | oob: most likely 'options' which the server does not understand |
| 03:49.52 | oob | aaah |
| 03:50.22 | Navi | performance wise, it's okay |
| 03:50.29 | oilinki | then again. you might need the stun support with the sip server. |
| 03:50.35 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 03:50.40 | KotCzarny | is that legal? |
| 03:51.08 | Navi | manga pages are usually high resolution scans so if you don't zoom, it'll eat up cpu clock |
| 03:51.28 | KotCzarny | zooming will eat cpu too |
| 03:51.29 | oob | oilinki, here's the thing; i've set the n810 up identically to an n95 which works. okay one is symbian and the other is linux but they're both from the same manufacturer |
| 03:51.40 | Proteous | ... |
| 03:51.44 | KotCzarny | hehehehehe |
| 03:51.51 | KotCzarny | oob, now that's something |
| 03:51.55 | Navi | so I read stuff in fit-to-width mode |
| 03:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | oob, your point? :P |
| 03:52.22 | oilinki | oob: sip stacks can still be different. and also depends of your home router |
| 03:52.23 | KotCzarny | oob: it's not the manufacturer, it's the os/app |
| 03:52.37 | oob | my point, dear GeneralAntilles is that it should work without me having to think about it :) |
| 03:52.44 | WorkingOnWise | johnx where do I get mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel or a higher version? |
| 03:52.49 | KotCzarny | oob: dear windows user.. |
| 03:52.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Still in Extras Devel? |
| 03:52.58 | oob | ooh, harsh |
| 03:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | Look it up on gronmayer.com/it anyway, WorkingOnWise. |
| 03:53.09 | KotCzarny | oob: may be osx |
| 03:53.13 | WorkingOnWise | ok ty |
| 03:53.14 | KotCzarny | if that comforts you |
| 03:53.16 | *** join/#maemo herzi (n=herzi@p578EBFED.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:53.20 | oob | still fairly harsh |
| 03:53.41 | KotCzarny | oob: you either pay to get the job done or fix it yourself |
| 03:53.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:54.08 | KotCzarny | fe. looking for another client :) |
| 03:54.10 | johnx | oob, is this with the rtcomm beta? |
| 03:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | oob, it was a general question to the group. I wasn't sure if it had been moved into Extras proper yet. |
| 03:54.49 | oob | johnx - no idea, never heard the term rtcomm. i'm using the default sip client that came with the n810 out-of-the-box |
| 03:54.53 | *** join/#maemo rev (n=rev|x@71-214-151-225.dlth.qwest.net) |
| 03:54.56 | Navi | .25 is in Extras |
| 03:55.00 | oilinki | oob: which service are you using? |
| 03:55.05 | Navi | .26 is in Extras Devel |
| 03:55.37 | oob | oilinki, service? I'm using my own asterisk |
| 03:55.41 | *** join/#maemo netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org) |
| 03:56.39 | *** join/#maemo tigrux (n=tigrux@189.154.50.158) |
| 03:57.22 | oilinki | oob: ok. can you use tcpdump on the machine which runs the asterisk |
| 03:57.53 | johnx | so, does anyone know if the rtcomm beta stuff upgrades / fixes sip support in any way? |
| 03:57.57 | Proteous | I took a tcpdump once, then I flushed my cache |
| 03:58.08 | KotCzarny | tcpflushed |
| 03:58.41 | Proteous | takes the channel on a wild ride to the bottom |
| 03:58.58 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 03:59.11 | Proteous | actualy, if it was wild I might be fun, but it's pretty boring, sorry everyone |
| 03:59.21 | Proteous | man I fail at typing |
| 03:59.42 | johnx | and/or where are we going and why are we in this handbasket? |
| 03:59.44 | Proteous | where's peer when you need him |
| 03:59.44 | KotCzarny | yawns again |
| 03:59.58 | Proteous | hands KotCzarny some coffee |
| 04:00.14 | oob | home time. thanks for your help chaps |
| 04:00.35 | KotCzarny | i don't do coffee |
| 04:00.42 | KotCzarny | i have my standards. |
| 04:00.52 | Proteous | /dcc send KotCzarny tea |
| 04:01.06 | KotCzarny | green, with lemon plz. |
| 04:01.24 | oilinki | btw. how is the debian for maemo going on? |
| 04:02.07 | johnx | debian for the N8x0 tablets? I haven't done much work on it recently |
| 04:02.25 | johnx | everything is pretty much there except for sound and more optimization of power management |
| 04:02.50 | oilinki | johnx: ok. thanks for the info. |
| 04:03.06 | KotCzarny | requirements for a sound card: p3@800, 340mb hdd space, 128mb ram |
| 04:03.11 | KotCzarny | *times* |
| 04:04.20 | Proteous | renames KotCzarny to CaughtCrazy |
| 04:05.04 | KotCzarny | starts licking himself |
| 04:05.27 | Proteous | heh |
| 04:09.19 | *** part/#maemo smackpotato (n=user@69.158.250.136) |
| 04:10.06 | *** join/#maemo freelikegnu (n=francisc@li25-215.members.linode.com) |
| 04:16.50 | pupnik | c.c.c.c.c.c.ofofffffeeee |
| 04:22.59 | KotCzarny | throws an exception at pupnik |
| 04:38.38 | *** join/#maemo dolske (n=dolske@c-24-130-151-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:43.38 | *** join/#maemo dick-richardson (n=joshua@host-193-138-220-24.midco.net) |
| 04:44.13 | dick-richardson | can you compile apt v.0.7 for os2008? or possibly aptitude? |
| 04:44.28 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 04:46.16 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 04:47.04 | johnx | dick-richardson, any specific version of aptitude you're looking for? |
| 04:47.09 | dick-richardson | any idea where I could find the source? |
| 04:47.25 | dick-richardson | not really...I just would like to remove unneeded dependencies I have installed |
| 04:47.41 | johnx | well the source is at debian.org of course... |
| 04:47.52 | dick-richardson | kk |
| 04:47.59 | KotCzarny | isn't apt installed by default? |
| 04:48.04 | dick-richardson | makes sense, I'd guess |
| 04:48.10 | KotCzarny | or it's something different than apt-get ? |
| 04:48.13 | dick-richardson | apt is, yes...but doesn't include autoremove |
| 04:48.45 | KotCzarny | what's autoremove? |
| 04:49.04 | johnx | removes libs that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed |
| 04:49.14 | KotCzarny | not bad |
| 04:49.15 | johnx | s/lib/dependencies/ |
| 04:51.03 | johnx | trying to build aptitude right now...we'll see how it goes |
| 04:51.29 | dick-richardson | which architecture are you choosing? |
| 04:51.41 | dick-richardson | armel? |
| 04:51.48 | johnx | I'm building the source package under scratchbox |
| 04:51.59 | dick-richardson | ahh |
| 04:52.04 | johnx | the binary package prolly won't help you without some hacking... |
| 04:52.52 | *** join/#maemo zwnj (n=behnam@91.184.74.63) |
| 04:53.01 | *** join/#maemo ha1f (n=dforsyth@pool-72-83-136-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 04:57.56 | pupnik | more laos http://www.molon.de/galleries/Laos/Bolaven/ |
| 04:58.06 | dick-richardson | ouch :( |
| 04:58.51 | dick-richardson | I broke apt |
| 04:59.05 | johnx | did you try to install the binary package? |
| 04:59.24 | dick-richardson | um |
| 04:59.27 | dick-richardson | yes |
| 04:59.40 | dick-richardson | despite knowing that it probably wouldn't work |
| 04:59.50 | dick-richardson | so...don't install the binary :P |
| 04:59.57 | johnx | heh |
| 05:00.31 | dick-richardson | application manager says nothing is installed |
| 05:00.42 | KotCzarny | welll |
| 05:00.49 | KotCzarny | you still have dpkg |
| 05:00.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:00.55 | KotCzarny | ..to break |
| 05:00.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:01.02 | dick-richardson | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of apt: |
| 05:01.06 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.10 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.11 | KotCzarny | --force |
| 05:01.14 | johnx | get the regular apt from maemo.org and pkg -i apt*deb |
| 05:01.14 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.26 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.30 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.34 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.34 | dick-richardson | dpkg: error processing apt (--remove): |
| 05:01.34 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.34 | dick-richardson | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 05:01.34 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.35 | dick-richardson | hey! |
| 05:04.34 | *** join/#maemo ol_schoola (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 05:05.17 | pupnik | nie |
| 05:05.18 | pupnik | nice |
| 05:07.07 | dick-richardson | I don't have make :/ |
| 05:07.16 | johnx | huh? |
| 05:07.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:07.20 | johnx | on the tablet? |
| 05:07.25 | dick-richardson | to compile from source |
| 05:07.26 | dick-richardson | yeah |
| 05:07.38 | KotCzarny | dick: do you have windows? |
| 05:07.41 | johnx | yeah...you need scratchbox |
| 05:07.41 | dick-richardson | and can't install it since apt is gone :P |
| 05:07.52 | dick-richardson | no, linux...kubuntu feisty |
| 05:07.56 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:07.57 | johnx | dick-richardson, *download* the .deb from maemo.org and dpkg -i |
| 05:08.05 | dick-richardson | yeah, still looking |
| 05:08.20 | KotCzarny | install scratchbox/sdk |
| 05:08.29 | KotCzarny | and use it to compile |
| 05:08.44 | dick-richardson | never understood what scratchbox was |
| 05:08.57 | johnx | a build environment |
| 05:09.07 | KotCzarny | treat it as a vmware |
| 05:09.09 | *** part/#maemo desertc (n=mmm@ubuntu/member/desertc) |
| 05:09.16 | dick-richardson | ok, that makes sense |
| 05:09.17 | KotCzarny | for compiling programs |
| 05:09.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:09.30 | dick-richardson | so I don't screw apt up on the unit itself |
| 05:09.34 | dick-richardson | that's a really good idea |
| 05:09.43 | KotCzarny | quite |
| 05:09.48 | johnx | apt is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/a/apt/ |
| 05:10.09 | johnx | the implementation leaves something to be desired but it pretty much works, and it beats trying to crosscompile by hand |
| 05:10.19 | dick-richardson | thank you john! I tried searching for it under their downloads |
| 05:10.34 | Italodance | oh GOOD MORNING :D |
| 05:11.06 | dick-richardson | I need the armel.deb, right? |
| 05:11.10 | johnx | yup |
| 05:12.32 | dick-richardson | and I'm back :D |
| 05:13.04 | johnx | yay...now you got off lucky this time, forcing depends on packages can lead you to a reboot loop really quick on the tablet |
| 05:13.05 | dick-richardson | next I'll try moving the kernel |
| 05:13.20 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 05:13.22 | johnx | debian != ITOS |
| 05:13.44 | dick-richardson | I'm slowly learning |
| 05:14.29 | johnx | basically just make sure anything you care about is backed up before messing around and you won't really have to worry |
| 05:14.41 | dick-richardson | oh lord yes...i'm backed up all to hell |
| 05:14.54 | johnx | good, then have fun and don't sweat it |
| 05:15.16 | dick-richardson | sounds good...where's a good place for the kernel ;) |
| 05:15.17 | johnx | just don't try and format or repartition the NAND flash (mtdblock0,1,2) and you're all set |
| 05:15.45 | johnx | google: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+kernel+compile |
| 05:15.53 | KotCzarny | dick: why do you need another kernel? |
| 05:16.08 | johnx | the more kernels the better! I have 8 or 9 and this thing flies! |
| 05:16.13 | dick-richardson | I was referring to moving the actual, running kernel |
| 05:16.25 | KotCzarny | erm, moving? |
| 05:16.41 | johnx | KotCzarny, he was joking, I believe :P |
| 05:16.49 | dick-richardson | yes...analogous to screwing with apt w/o having the compiling tools to rebuild it |
| 05:16.57 | KotCzarny | johnx: he managed to break apt |
| 05:17.04 | Italodance | is someone from maemo website here? |
| 05:17.24 | KotCzarny | dick: why would you need to rebuild it? |
| 05:17.44 | dick-richardson | KotCzarny: i was attempting to make a joke |
| 05:17.55 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 05:18.06 | dick-richardson | about as successful as my attempt to install the apt.deb from debian.org |
| 05:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | XFade would be who you're looking for, Italodance. |
| 05:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny seems to be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;) |
| 05:19.01 | KotCzarny | oho, id got a hook on another wictim |
| 05:19.27 | KotCzarny | ga seems be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;) |
| 05:21.13 | KotCzarny | though ga seems to be more 'pink-webchat' style macho-ruler |
| 05:26.24 | dick-richardson | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 05:26.24 | dick-richardson | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 05:26.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:26.49 | johnx | your tablet won't boot after you do that :) |
| 05:26.49 | KotCzarny | what are you breaking? |
| 05:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | Do it! Do it! Do it! |
| 05:27.02 | dick-richardson | lol! I'm not exactly certain I'm in the right frame of mind to be compiling software right now :P |
| 05:27.27 | dick-richardson | you see, it was st. patty's day, I'm I'm very celtic |
| 05:27.39 | KotCzarny | you're very drunk |
| 05:27.48 | KotCzarny | but maybe not |
| 05:27.49 | johnx | it was st. patty's day like 3 days ago, right? |
| 05:27.53 | KotCzarny | not much typos |
| 05:27.57 | KotCzarny | *many |
| 05:28.18 | dick-richardson | in the US it was the 17th |
| 05:29.22 | johnx | ah, nvm, I thought it was the 14th for some reason O_o |
| 05:29.59 | dick-richardson | I hope I'm not still looped in 3 days :( |
| 05:30.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:30.37 | Proteous | I'm eating my corned beef and cabbage right now |
| 05:30.39 | *** join/#maemo pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be) |
| 05:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm |
| 05:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | Went to a party Sunday night. |
| 05:30.53 | dick-richardson | that's good stuff |
| 05:31.25 | Proteous | it can be |
| 05:31.32 | Proteous | mine is |
| 05:33.25 | Italodance | ummm |
| 05:33.31 | Italodance | os2008 is chinook yes? |
| 05:34.11 | dick-richardson | yep |
| 05:34.21 | Italodance | :D |
| 05:34.28 | dick-richardson | why does grep conflict with busybox? |
| 05:34.30 | dick-richardson | odd |
| 05:34.50 | KotCzarny | because busybox has grep substitue |
| 05:34.56 | KotCzarny | substitute |
| 05:35.11 | KotCzarny | and scripts are written for busybox's versions of utils |
| 05:35.18 | johnx | and Nokia didn't use "update-alternatives" for some stupid reason |
| 05:35.20 | KotCzarny | and may fail on regular ones |
| 05:35.46 | dick-richardson | = not debian...yep, slowly learning |
| 05:36.08 | KotCzarny | debian, but with issues |
| 05:36.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:38.11 | inz | johnx, grep isn't using alternatives on normal debian system either |
| 05:38.47 | *** join/#maemo GeneralAntilles (n=GeneralA@c-69-244-211-19.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 05:39.18 | johnx | inz, fair enough then I guess. Maybe I was thinking of angstrom then, which copes well with busybox stuff being replaced by standalone tools |
| 05:39.40 | KotCzarny | johnx, replacing is not a problem |
| 05:40.07 | KotCzarny | rewriting/checking system scripts is |
| 05:40.08 | johnx | then apt-get install grep and tell me how well your tablet works... |
| 05:40.08 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:42.54 | johnx | you still can't apt-get install grep without it ripping out busybox |
| 05:43.36 | KotCzarny | yeah, i know |
| 05:43.44 | johnx | fixing boot scripts is probably a one day job |
| 05:43.53 | johnx | they're not *that* complicated... |
| 05:44.13 | KotCzarny | bugs can be hard to spot |
| 05:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta do it for each update. |
| 05:45.39 | johnx | I don't really think you'll have many issues going from busybox to gnu utils |
| 05:45.48 | johnx | Usually the pain is going the other way |
| 05:46.14 | johnx | hmm...though mount comes to mind |
| 05:46.21 | KotCzarny | and bash |
| 05:46.22 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:46.35 | johnx | bash is sh compatible |
| 05:46.43 | johnx | sh is not bash compatible :) |
| 05:46.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:46.54 | johnx | KotCzarny, care to give an example? |
| 05:47.09 | KotCzarny | memory footprint |
| 05:47.14 | johnx | (that will work with busybox sh, but not bash) |
| 05:47.47 | KotCzarny | and i can tell any example from the top of my head |
| 05:47.47 | johnx | memory footprint isn't a deal breaker for many people |
| 05:48.00 | dick-richardson | there's no real way around the grep limitation in busybox :/ |
| 05:48.08 | KotCzarny | but i remember having problems running scripts made for busybox's ash in bash |
| 05:48.25 | KotCzarny | dick: unpack, copy to /usr/local/bin |
| 05:48.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:48.38 | johnx | dick-richardson, if you're feeling lucky just run dpkg -X grep.deb / |
| 05:48.43 | johnx | see what happens |
| 05:52.40 | *** join/#maemo gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 05:54.26 | inz | KotCzarny, I really doubt real grep would break anything |
| 05:54.28 | *** join/#maemo MishaS (n=MishaS@a91-154-120-151.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 05:57.09 | *** join/#maemo ajturner (n=ajturner@c-67-174-225-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:04.02 | Italodance | umm |
| 06:04.13 | Italodance | https://bugs.maemo.org/createaccount.cgi is it working for u? can u sign up? |
| 06:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 06:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | The db is read-only |
| 06:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | 4-ish days now. |
| 06:08.12 | Italodance | uhh so we should waiting... |
| 06:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have a mainline to the people who can fix it. |
| 06:09.41 | inz | Has anyone made a bug about 'zilla being broken?... oh wait... |
| 06:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | That would normally be bugzilla. |
| 06:09.47 | GeneralAntilles | But, ^ |
| 06:11.58 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to try some SQL attacks to see if they can fix the db? :P |
| 06:12.36 | Italodance | why none from maemo website isn't here? |
| 06:12.57 | Italodance | lol here is their official irc chat and they aren't here |
| 06:13.01 | Italodance | strange? |
| 06:13.26 | GeneralAntilles | Because they're busy people with better things to do with their time than idle 24/7 in IRC. |
| 06:13.33 | jku | a) It's not like this is an official support channel |
| 06:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of maemo people are in and out. |
| 06:13.44 | jku | b) it's 8 o'clock in Helsinki |
| 06:14.04 | *** join/#maemo jacques (n=jacques@nslu2-linux/jacques) |
| 06:14.04 | jku | c) it's Nokia -- they probably can't get throught the firewall :) |
| 06:14.29 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles but only 1 person can be here isn't he? |
| 06:15.00 | Italodance | here is 9:45 in Tehran |
| 06:16.49 | inz | jku, facts will do you no good here, stop defending them!-) |
| 06:17.04 | jku | sorry |
| 06:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | rawr! |
| 06:17.09 | GeneralAntilles | <nonsense /> |
| 06:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | Your facts are rigid and brittle! |
| 06:17.34 | KotCzarny | ^ troll |
| 06:17.40 | GeneralAntilles | Behold the power of my emotion! |
| 06:23.16 | KotCzarny | jku: there's always webchat.nl or however it was called |
| 06:23.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:24.15 | KotCzarny | webchat.xs4all.nl |
| 06:24.17 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 06:24.56 | *** join/#maemo NetBlade (n=osku@kone1.tmvvision.finnetcom.net) |
| 06:25.59 | KotCzarny | erm. s/however/whatever/ |
| 06:28.22 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 06:31.30 | inz | Kot, "Give an IRC geek an webirc and he gives you saliva" |
| 06:36.47 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:37.43 | KotCzarny | inz: i have 2 plastic/glass screns to keep me safe from saliva |
| 06:37.51 | KotCzarny | *screens |
| 06:39.00 | *** join/#maemo LoCusFN810 (n=user@host-212-149-247-53.kpylaajakaista.net) |
| 06:39.17 | KotCzarny | my friends dog has diabetes |
| 06:39.19 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 06:39.23 | KotCzarny | *times* |
| 06:39.37 | KotCzarny | *friend's |
| 06:46.27 | AStorm | hmm, how do I make a keymap for this: |
| 06:47.29 | AStorm | http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ |
| 06:47.33 | *** join/#maemo sibbe (i=jvtm@omni.byte.fi) |
| 06:47.51 | AStorm | can't find the def files |
| 06:48.05 | AStorm | are these only in the source? |
| 06:51.50 | KotCzarny | nice find |
| 06:52.30 | AStorm | :) |
| 06:52.53 | AStorm | I'll try shift+fn |
| 06:53.20 | KotCzarny | especially command navigator |
| 06:53.27 | KotCzarny | "A task navigator applet, i.e. a menu that replaces the default web or contact menu." |
| 06:53.32 | AStorm | that is, level4 shift |
| 06:53.35 | KotCzarny | purrs |
| 06:53.40 | AStorm | hmm? |
| 06:53.46 | KotCzarny | http://upir.cz/maemo/cmdnav.php |
| 06:54.04 | KotCzarny | contacts-be-gone! |
| 06:54.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:54.41 | AStorm | hehe |
| 06:55.03 | johnx | preferes personal-menu |
| 06:58.16 | *** join/#maemo NetBlade (n=osku@kone1.tmvvision.finnetcom.net) |
| 06:58.25 | AStorm | johnx, link? |
| 06:59.01 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17777 |
| 07:00.17 | AStorm | have to create PL locale |
| 07:00.39 | johnx | C-locale FTW :) |
| 07:03.44 | rm_you | i wish my n800 would stop rebooting >_< |
| 07:03.55 | KotCzarny | rm_you: still? |
| 07:04.36 | AStorm | johnx, sorry, bad currency and date |
| 07:04.48 | AStorm | and 12h time :P |
| 07:05.03 | AStorm | ans separators |
| 07:05.47 | AStorm | I want a small version of clock on the left of the screen too |
| 07:06.08 | rm_you | KotCzarny: I haven't flashed it yet... i just tried removing stuff / resetting applets |
| 07:06.11 | rm_you | no good :/ |
| 07:07.15 | rev | rm_you: it reboots? mine just shuts down randomly, while in sleep and not. |
| 07:07.41 | AStorm | hmm, what did you guys do to her? |
| 07:07.47 | rev | rm_you: not sure if it's a clean shutdown or not, often happens while the screen is locked or there was just a time-out |
| 07:07.49 | rm_you | yeah mine sometimes shuts down, sometimes reboots |
| 07:08.06 | rm_you | i got to WATCH it reboot three times yesterday |
| 07:08.10 | rev | AStorm: i didn't do anything- it happens on a virgin flash too |
| 07:08.16 | rm_you | but before that it was shutting off completely in my pocket |
| 07:08.19 | *** join/#maemo BabelO (n=Fabrice@lun34-2-82-238-28-28.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:08.22 | AStorm | sounds like non-contacting battery |
| 07:08.22 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=qwerty12@84.9.55.91) |
| 07:08.32 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (n=geaaru@host69-212-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:08.40 | rev | rm_you: mine doesn't do it that often, and i've never been able to watch... but mine doesn't seem to do it when it's being actively used, like playing mp3s |
| 07:08.52 | AStorm | hmm |
| 07:08.59 | rm_you | yeah it was like that for about 2 weeks |
| 07:09.04 | rm_you | i couldnt ever catch it in the act |
| 07:09.14 | rm_you | and then all the sudden, it started happening when i was HOLDING IT |
| 07:09.28 | rev | AStorm: perhaps, but i don't see how that'd be the case, not when it turns off randomly in a very stable environment. |
| 07:09.32 | rev | haha |
| 07:09.33 | rev | man |
| 07:09.38 | rev | mine didn't start doing that |
| 07:09.43 | KotCzarny | ..yet |
| 07:09.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:09.46 | rev | and i think there's a newer image to install |
| 07:09.47 | rev | haha |
| 07:09.54 | rev | knocks on plood |
| 07:10.10 | rm_you | opens the plood |
| 07:10.44 | AStorm | i really think it's the battery |
| 07:11.18 | AStorm | hmm, I know what I'll do with the key layout |
| 07:11.25 | KotCzarny | rm_you: does it reboot when plugged too? |
| 07:11.37 | AStorm | change some key to be compose :D |
| 07:11.56 | AStorm | and add diacritic (that is, ogonek) |
| 07:12.45 | AStorm | bonus - can add umlauts too |
| 07:12.47 | rm_you | KotCzarny: yes |
| 07:13.05 | rm_you | anyone here an engineer? :P |
| 07:13.30 | rm_you | or work on DIY projectors? (ie, lumenlab stuff)? |
| 07:13.56 | pupnik | i have two overheads here waiting for LCDs |
| 07:14.01 | AStorm | rm_you, hmm, sounds very bad |
| 07:14.19 | AStorm | does it feel hot? |
| 07:14.28 | rm_you | pupnik: want to look at a Google Sketchup of my projector box and tell me if i'm retarded or not? :P |
| 07:14.35 | rm_you | AStorm: not at all |
| 07:14.40 | AStorm | hmmm |
| 07:14.43 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:14.48 | KotCzarny | google ketchup |
| 07:14.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:14.50 | pupnik | i'm just going to use the commercial ones |
| 07:14.54 | pupnik | but sure! |
| 07:14.56 | rm_you | heh |
| 07:15.46 | *** join/#maemo f_mohr (n=f_mohr@dslb-084-058-227-171.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:16.04 | *** join/#maemo seraph1 (i=ecrespo@200.93.93.29) |
| 07:17.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 07:17.37 | KotCzarny | it's late |
| 07:17.40 | KotCzarny | (again) |
| 07:17.43 | KotCzarny | ok, bbl |
| 07:18.03 | AStorm | hmm, can N810 output video out? |
| 07:18.19 | AStorm | some hack? |
| 07:18.27 | AStorm | usbvga cable? |
| 07:18.50 | johnx | what speed does the N8x0 USB host run at? |
| 07:19.05 | johnx | is it 12Mb/s or (up to) 480Mb/s? |
| 07:20.15 | AStorm | have to connect some hub and test |
| 07:20.47 | AStorm | with ma 0,5G laplink cable |
| 07:22.22 | AStorm | *my |
| 07:22.52 | AStorm | it does support "simple usb metworking", right? |
| 07:29.59 | AStorm | is there a dead_ogonek key in X? |
| 07:31.06 | *** join/#maemo trickie (n=trickie@basesoft.demon.nl) |
| 07:31.26 | AStorm | bbl |
| 07:32.42 | *** join/#maemo beavis (n=mk@p5085E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:32.50 | *** join/#maemo tsdogs (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 07:33.02 | *** part/#maemo tsdogs (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 07:34.24 | *** join/#maemo murrayc (n=murrayc@u25-56.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 07:36.15 | *** join/#maemo GeneralAntilles (n=GeneralA@c-69-244-211-19.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 07:36.21 | *** join/#maemo jeddy3 (n=mattiast@gw.sbg.se) |
| 07:40.07 | *** join/#maemo Cptnodegard (n=none@213.151.143.56) |
| 07:40.53 | *** join/#maemo simon_ (n=simon@vcmsms1.soft.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 07:40.59 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=az@195.91.167.225) |
| 07:41.38 | Italodance | uumm |
| 07:42.02 | Italodance | someone knows how can i use internet on my n800 with pc usb? |
| 07:42.16 | *** join/#maemo sbodo_w (n=sbodo@78-0-88-16.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 07:42.32 | *** join/#maemo tobmaster (n=tobmaste@gw.sinnerschrader.com) |
| 07:43.47 | johnx | grab this here: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf on your windows machine and don't do anything with it yet |
| 07:44.38 | johnx | then, on the tablet, get root access and type insmod g_ether |
| 07:44.54 | johnx | and tell me if that works or causes an error message |
| 07:45.01 | *** join/#maemo sKaBoy (n=luogni@host57-218-static.90-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:45.20 | Italodance | ok |
| 07:45.49 | Italodance | where i can add USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf |
| 07:46.01 | johnx | just download it for now |
| 07:46.04 | johnx | don't do anything with it |
| 07:46.07 | inz | ooh, acknowledgement of bugs.m.o b0rkedness on maemo-dev |
| 07:46.11 | Italodance | ok |
| 07:46.43 | Italodance | i can't download USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf it is not available |
| 07:47.10 | johnx | hmm |
| 07:47.31 | johnx | it works here |
| 07:47.36 | qwerty12 | Not here too :) |
| 07:47.55 | Italodance | yes the page can't find it...? |
| 07:48.12 | johnx | ok, go to this page, scroll down to where it talks about "Nokia770 USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf" and click on one of the "here" links |
| 07:48.15 | Italodance | send it to me |
| 07:48.25 | johnx | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/ |
| 07:48.39 | *** join/#maemo BTobotras (n=tobotras@it.niir.ru) |
| 07:49.17 | Italodance | send it to me please :D |
| 07:49.25 | johnx | it's linked on the page |
| 07:49.44 | Italodance | i found it... |
| 07:49.49 | *** join/#maemo ch4os_ (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) |
| 07:50.07 | Italodance | http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf it works :D ok and ? |
| 07:50.14 | *** part/#maemo FunkyPenguin (n=forcev@opensuse/member/FunkyPenguin) |
| 07:50.38 | johnx | on the tablet get root access |
| 07:50.59 | johnx | did you already install easyroot? |
| 07:51.08 | Italodance | yes |
| 07:51.09 | Italodance | and? |
| 07:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | There's an applet that handles it all for you, isn't there? |
| 07:51.21 | Italodance | easyroot 1 kn is ready on my tablet |
| 07:51.44 | Italodance | *kb |
| 07:52.13 | *** join/#maemo sKaBoy (n=luogni@host57-218-static.90-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:52.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, is it out for OS2008? please tell me it is O_o |
| 07:52.49 | qwerty12 | it is |
| 07:52.54 | Italodance | ? |
| 07:53.21 | johnx | qwerty12, I seem to have trouble finding it. I'd appreciate a link or a pointer in the right direction. :) |
| 07:53.36 | qwerty12 | Do you mean "usb_otg_sb" |
| 07:53.40 | qwerty12 | That's the one I have |
| 07:53.54 | qwerty12 | By Kate Aloha (spelling, sorry Kate) |
| 07:53.55 | johnx | nah, the one for usb networking to a PC |
| 07:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | That one does USBnet |
| 07:54.19 | johnx | well awesome |
| 07:54.30 | qwerty12 | USBnet and usb networking are different? |
| 07:54.31 | johnx | Italodance, I have a much better answer for you then. hang on a sec. :) |
| 07:54.55 | johnx | qwerty12, since it had "otg" in the name I figured it had to do with host mode |
| 07:55.23 | qwerty12 | The applet I got says network device mode & usb ethernet mode. I'm confused, sorry. |
| 07:55.29 | Italodance | johnx ok i am here for u :D |
| 07:55.55 | qwerty12 | blinks |
| 07:55.57 | johnx | qwerty12, nope, you're correct. :) I'm confused |
| 07:56.48 | qwerty12 | ^-^, oh right. I've only ever gotten usb networking to work under linux anyway so I'm intrested in hearing what you have to say too :) |
| 07:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, there's no difference. |
| 07:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | The OTG applet handles all the finicky switching for you. |
| 07:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | Very nice. |
| 07:57.07 | qwerty12 | Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. |
| 07:57.11 | johnx | AFAIK, you just need that inf under windows |
| 07:57.15 | GeneralAntilles | bought one of jolouis's adaptors. |
| 07:57.36 | *** join/#maemo vims0r (n=VimS@dslb-084-061-028-040.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:57.43 | qwerty12 | Does anybody know what the CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY option does btw? Seems a bit restricting. |
| 07:58.17 | *** join/#maemo Tama^2 (n=me@ip-118-90-51-155.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 07:58.26 | solmumaha | usb-otg-plugin seems to crash on me from time to time |
| 07:58.28 | Italodance | hi Tama^2 :p |
| 07:58.37 | qwerty12 | Ah, forget it, gtg. Bye all, school :( |
| 07:58.37 | Tama^2 | Hi italo :P |
| 07:59.03 | johnx | is this the usb otg/networking statusbar applet? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin |
| 07:59.27 | solmumaha | y |
| 07:59.28 | johnx | I'll guess "yes" |
| 07:59.32 | johnx | great, thanks |
| 07:59.45 | Tama^2 | mmm I guess yes |
| 07:59.49 | Tama^2 | thank you |
| 07:59.51 | Tama^2 | >.> |
| 08:00.00 | johnx | Italodance, go here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin and download that .deb file and copy it to your N800 |
| 08:00.21 | solmumaha | funny thing, that plugin works with ntfs, usb control does not |
| 08:00.22 | Italodance | ok 1 min |
| 08:02.01 | Italodance | johnx done next? |
| 08:02.09 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@61.84-49-136.nextgentel.com) |
| 08:02.25 | johnx | does it display a little usb symbol in the statusbar area? |
| 08:02.43 | Italodance | i need to install it on my n800 yes? |
| 08:02.48 | johnx | ah, yes |
| 08:02.51 | johnx | do that :) |
| 08:02.56 | Italodance | 1 sec |
| 08:03.57 | Italodance | johnx yes usb symbol in the statusbar |
| 08:04.18 | Italodance | next? |
| 08:07.35 | Italodance | . |
| 08:07.57 | johnx | hang on, eating lunch |
| 08:08.25 | Italodance | oh |
| 08:13.43 | *** join/#maemo christefano (n=christef@pool-68-239-44-155.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:17.51 | LoCusF | how can I decrease font size in Echo theme on N810, I mean where can I find the configuration file to edit? |
| 08:17.57 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@110.48-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:18.31 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 08:21.36 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 08:21.40 | *** join/#maemo sergio_ (n=sergio@fanzine.igalia.com) |
| 08:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | LoCusF, there are 12 and 14pt themes available on garage |
| 08:22.19 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, X-Fade. |
| 08:22.27 | *** join/#maemo jnettlet (n=jnettlet@x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k721.webspeed.dk) |
| 08:27.28 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=az@195.91.167.225) |
| 08:27.52 | wazd | morning all :) |
| 08:29.58 | *** join/#maemo jackylee (n=chatzill@123.112.9.75) |
| 08:30.56 | jackylee | question: I want to copy the scratchbox and maemo-sdk installed on one machine to another machine. What should I do. |
| 08:31.03 | jackylee | Thanks |
| 08:33.31 | rm_you | so, yeah... |
| 08:33.43 | rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/PJ/Projector.skp |
| 08:34.54 | jackylee | Should this be possible? |
| 08:35.24 | rm_you | the linux sdk? |
| 08:35.39 | rm_you | or are you using the vmware sdk? |
| 08:35.57 | jackylee | Linux sdk |
| 08:36.18 | *** join/#maemo mk8 (n=GLaforge@ip-212-138.sn1.eutelia.it) |
| 08:36.23 | jackylee | I don't want to do the bored stuff again |
| 08:38.19 | *** join/#maemo mk500 (n=mk500@netblock-72-25-104-105.dslextreme.com) |
| 08:38.29 | jackylee | Anyone met the same problem. Thanks |
| 08:41.48 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@kone1.tmvvision.finnetcom.net) |
| 08:42.12 | jku | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.33 | jku | could be trivial though |
| 08:43.52 | jackylee | So I have to reinstall it one machine after another If i get your meaning.^_^ |
| 08:44.25 | jku | well, you can try copying but there will be at least some hurdles on the way... |
| 08:45.01 | jku | init scripts and user/group at least |
| 08:45.06 | jackylee | I see. I will have a try.Thanks^_& |
| 08:46.27 | Italodance | what is maemo_sdk_4? |
| 08:53.08 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:58.14 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade_ (n=xfade@104.215-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:58.45 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 08:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. |
| 09:06.13 | *** join/#maemo m3mberman (n=m3mberma@125-236-179-154.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 09:13.58 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 09:16.27 | *** join/#maemo ab (n=ab@pdpc/supporter/professional/ab) |
| 09:17.10 | aquatix | morning all |
| 09:20.10 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 09:21.35 | *** join/#maemo L0cutus (n=L0cutus@host-84-222-93-239.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 09:25.25 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 09:25.43 | *** join/#maemo fab (n=bellet@monkey.creatis.insa-lyon.fr) |
| 09:26.48 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 09:28.55 | *** join/#maemo guardian (n=guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 09:31.43 | *** join/#maemo _collin_ (n=collin@p50996ded.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:33.57 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: check it out: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/PJ/Projector.skp |
| 09:34.07 | rm_you | that's what i've been working on since my n800 started being batshit insane |
| 09:35.07 | *** join/#maemo trac3r (n=sm00th@91.195.111.236) |
| 09:36.07 | *** join/#maemo trickie (n=trickie@basesoft.demon.nl) |
| 09:40.32 | *** join/#maemo greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net) |
| 09:51.31 | *** join/#maemo netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org) |
| 09:51.36 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405 (n=ryan@84.126.78.159.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:52.41 | Jaffa | rm_you: what's a .skp file? |
| 09:52.52 | rm_you | Google Sketchup |
| 09:54.02 | christefano | is anyone using the rotation hack at http://sse2.net/rotate/ ? |
| 09:55.53 | johnx | christefano, yup. It works as advertised. :) |
| 09:56.20 | BTobotras | reflashing the kernel? oh horror, horror |
| 09:56.20 | christefano | that's cool. is it indeed necessary to reflash with the modified firmware? |
| 09:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | kernel |
| 09:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's not firmware |
| 09:56.41 | christefano | oh, okay. |
| 09:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | It wont tell the LCD controller to do the right things if you don't. |
| 10:03.17 | BTobotras | modified kernel link is broken there |
| 10:04.38 | BTobotras | oh, no, second link works |
| 10:08.41 | Italodance | johnx... |
| 10:12.58 | *** join/#maemo kaatis_ (i=jkataja@nat/movial/x-ebfa7e3c0efc3178) |
| 10:13.04 | *** join/#maemo dpb__ (i=dbainton@nat/movial/x-189c93184c3fbfbb) |
| 10:15.26 | BTobotras | have yet to figure out how to use flasher... |
| 10:16.45 | solmumaha | BTobotras: it's easy to flash the kernel with fanoush's flasher on the device itself |
| 10:17.09 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@host44-85-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:20.24 | Italodance | johnx are u forgot me? |
| 10:20.36 | johnx | busy in real life |
| 10:20.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:20.55 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 10:21.25 | Tama^2 | thinks of "all your base.." |
| 10:21.32 | *** join/#maemo kaatis__ (i=jkataja@nat/movial/x-8c11ba9aa0748b0c) |
| 10:21.32 | *** join/#maemo dpb___ (i=dbainton@nat/movial/x-b7029c84292250c8) |
| 10:21.40 | aquatix | Tama^2: :) |
| 10:21.59 | aquatix | all your attention are belong to us! |
| 10:23.00 | wom | is there some way of telling N810 jump to bt (3G) connection when device is moved away from wlan |
| 10:23.10 | wom | it doesn't do that automatically |
| 10:27.56 | *** join/#maemo florian (n=fuchs@217.146.132.69) |
| 10:28.59 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 10:31.58 | wom | ok there seems to be.. just in config dialog :) |
| 10:32.04 | wom | shame on me for not looking first :) |
| 10:36.47 | *** join/#maemo sp3000 (n=tt@hoasb-ff0ddd00-250.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 10:44.20 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 10:44.28 | sp3000 | bugzilla seems happy again |
| 10:44.35 | *** topic/#maemo by sp3000 -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 10:46.15 | *** join/#maemo b0unc3_ (n=b0unc3@host-84-223-136-198.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 10:48.11 | kulve | Tester_: feel free to comment on the bug :) |
| 10:53.31 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:54.25 | *** part/#maemo solmumaha (n=solmis@mikkeli.wsoy.fi) |
| 10:54.34 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-1-51.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 10:56.08 | *** part/#maemo oilinki (n=oil@ppp-124-122-182-127.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 11:06.52 | *** join/#maemo armer (n=arwlodar@217.67.202.122) |
| 11:09.35 | *** join/#maemo _ken___ (n=user@84.92.70.37) |
| 11:10.54 | *** join/#maemo henrique (n=henrique@unaffiliated/henrique) |
| 11:12.40 | armer | Hi, Do anyone know if there is a way to access the hardware OMAP's timers under control of Maemo? |
| 11:13.12 | kulve | zuh: didn't you check something related to the timers? |
| 11:13.32 | kulve | not through a maemo api though |
| 11:14.17 | *** join/#maemo T0botras (n=tobotras@it.niir.ru) |
| 11:14.54 | *** join/#maemo arodriguez (n=warlock8@unaffiliated/warlock86) |
| 11:15.09 | arodriguez | hello |
| 11:17.15 | arodriguez | i'm having problems to install sdk 4.0.1 on a gentoo linux, anyone has been able to do it and could help me, please? |
| 11:17.51 | kulve | just tell the problem. Maybe then somebody realizes he knows the answer and replies.. |
| 11:19.34 | *** join/#maemo snake_mountain (n=cwebb@75.144.171.249) |
| 11:19.49 | arodriguez | when running maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh I get some errors... looks like I tries to use dpkg... |
| 11:20.21 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (i=ehs1@kde/hein) |
| 11:20.22 | arodriguez | 'it' tries... not me, sorry :) |
| 11:21.00 | *** join/#maemo behdad (n=behdad@drms-590c685f.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 11:21.20 | arodriguez | do I need to install dpkg before running that script? |
| 11:21.21 | *** join/#maemo _ken____ (n=user@84.92.70.37) |
| 11:21.51 | trickie | arodriguez: it should be doing that in the scratchbox |
| 11:22.08 | trickie | i didn't need to install dkpg on gentoo to run the scratchbox |
| 11:22.20 | *** join/#maemo _matthias_ (n=matthias@85-124-90-211.volume-ooe.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 11:22.41 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@218.2.101.23) |
| 11:23.04 | *** join/#maemo giskard (n=giskard@85-18-81-138.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 11:23.08 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405 (n=ryan@84.126.78.159.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 11:24.25 | snake_mountain | Need help installing sqlite on N770? |
| 11:26.58 | snake_mountain | Anyone have success installing sqlite3? |
| 11:28.41 | arodriguez | trickie, that's what I get: http://rafb.net/p/MRYYA528.html |
| 11:29.05 | *** join/#maemo T0b0tras- (n=tobotras@it.niir.ru) |
| 11:29.25 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 11:29.55 | trickie | arodriguez: i cannot remember exactly, but i think you can specify not to install scratchbox from debs, but from tarballs |
| 11:30.07 | trickie | either that or there is different install script for doing so |
| 11:30.17 | arodriguez | scratchbox was installed from tarballs... |
| 11:31.26 | trickie | seperately from this script? |
| 11:32.22 | arodriguez | the first script i ran was maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh. I ran it as root, and it automatically did the install from tarballs |
| 11:33.24 | trickie | ah ok |
| 11:33.47 | arodriguez | then I added my user to the scratchbox, started the cpu transparency, relogged with my user and then, when tried to install sdk i got those erros... |
| 11:33.47 | kaatis__ | arodriguez, look at the command line help. there's an option to install from tarballs |
| 11:34.09 | trickie | arodriguez: you should also stop the scratchbox service |
| 11:35.37 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@58.213.220.81) |
| 11:38.16 | *** join/#maemo celesteh (n=celesteh@82-46-164-29.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 11:38.31 | trickie | arodriguez: the script exits when it detects that you have a scratchbox session running |
| 11:39.23 | arodriguez | if I stop it using 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop' then I get other errors |
| 11:39.45 | trickie | paste plz |
| 11:40.00 | arodriguez | E: Scratchbox user's /dev is not properly set up. Couldn't read /dev/null. |
| 11:40.00 | arodriguez | E: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox//sbin/sbox_ctl start'. |
| 11:40.00 | arodriguez | E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option. |
| 11:40.23 | arodriguez | maybe permissions? |
| 11:41.00 | trickie | arodriguez: sorry, my fault not clear |
| 11:41.12 | *** join/#maemo kcome (n=kcome@58.213.220.81) |
| 11:41.13 | trickie | arodriguez: i think you need the sbox_ctl running |
| 11:41.17 | trickie | but no current sessions |
| 11:41.34 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@host99-147-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:42.20 | arodriguez | how can I see and/or stop running sessions? |
| 11:42.55 | trickie | hmmm, its been a while, and i don't have SB here... |
| 11:43.09 | trickie | login to scrtachbox and run 'sb-menu' |
| 11:43.15 | trickie | maybe it is apparent there |
| 11:44.11 | arodriguez | Hmm.... login also fails |
| 11:44.21 | arodriguez | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 11:44.48 | trickie | ok, yeah i saw that ijn your original paste |
| 11:44.53 | trickie | ouch |
| 11:45.37 | *** join/#maemo playya (n=playya@pD9E0A9CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:46.24 | trickie | arodriguez: http://www.lorenzogil.com/blog/2007/08/07/running-maemo-scratchbox-on-fedora-7/ |
| 11:46.26 | arodriguez | I think I have to recompile my kernel :( |
| 11:46.27 | trickie | try that |
| 11:47.06 | arodriguez | it seems that i have to enable [*] Compat VDSO support |
| 11:47.32 | trickie | ah yes |
| 11:47.38 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405 (n=ryan@84.126.78.159.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 11:48.33 | arodriguez | it works! :) |
| 11:48.36 | arodriguez | thank you |
| 11:51.49 | trickie | np |
| 11:57.43 | *** join/#maemo jku (n=jku@cs78167076.pp.htv.fi) |
| 12:00.00 | *** join/#maemo pupnik (n=pupnik@dslb-088-068-097-210.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:04.08 | *** join/#maemo thux (n=thux@bb-81-175-159-78.dsl.phnet.fi) |
| 12:06.27 | thux | Is it possible to have fi_FI.UTF-8 support to osso-xterm and how? |
| 12:08.09 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405 (n=ryan@84.126.78.159.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:12.31 | *** join/#maemo DaniloCesar (n=DaniloCe@nat/mandriva/x-9a14b67ddd6b4ec4) |
| 12:12.57 | *** join/#maemo morbec (n=morbec@189.19.4.78) |
| 12:15.43 | *** join/#maemo jnettlet (n=jnettlet@x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k721.webspeed.dk) |
| 12:15.43 | ccooke | thux: do you have it working everywhere else? |
| 12:16.24 | thux | yes |
| 12:17.11 | wom | i was under the impression that it is wtf-8 |
| 12:18.14 | thux | irc shell irssi use it and osso cannot handle scandic letters like öä |
| 12:20.33 | thux | all pc-linux can and even wince putty can |
| 12:23.10 | wom- | well, i have gnome-terminal, putty and such configured for wtf-8.. and my irssi is wtf-8 |
| 12:23.21 | wom- | i can see öäöäö in n810 osso-xterm |
| 12:23.29 | wom- | problem is that my shell is not utf-8 |
| 12:23.39 | wom- | and that causes some very wierd behaviour |
| 12:24.00 | anders_ | wom-: Do you have LC_* set to whatever.UTF-8 serverside? |
| 12:24.21 | wom- | yes |
| 12:24.31 | wom- | everything is utf-8 :) |
| 12:24.37 | wom- | that i can configure |
| 12:24.40 | anders_ | wom-: I always have to set "export LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8" manually when ssh:ing from n810. |
| 12:24.42 | jott | wom-: are you using screen? maybe -U helps :) |
| 12:24.48 | thux | wom-: that could be the problem |
| 12:24.54 | wom- | jott: i am.. hmm :) |
| 12:25.00 | wom- | i have to try that :D |
| 12:25.25 | *** join/#maemo Disconnect (n=dis@sigkill.net) |
| 12:25.54 | wom- | ok, with U it really gets messed up :D |
| 12:26.06 | jott | works here :P |
| 12:26.20 | wom- | i know.. works for many people :D |
| 12:26.32 | wom- | wtf-8 is great :) |
| 12:27.14 | jott | there is an iso8859-1 lurking in the corner :) |
| 12:28.39 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405 (n=ryan@84.126.78.159.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:30.06 | jott | wom-: and irssi has term_charset set to UTF-8? :) |
| 12:30.35 | jott | thux: .. |
| 12:30.45 | jott | sorry :) |
| 12:32.31 | wom- | jott: yes :) |
| 12:32.42 | wom- | ah |
| 12:41.24 | *** join/#maemo geaaru_ (n=geaaru@host204-207-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:43.27 | *** join/#maemo guardian (n=guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 12:53.08 | *** join/#maemo boolean (n=boolean@modemcable158.5-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 13:06.23 | *** join/#maemo |newbie| (n=kvirc@65.218.162.2) |
| 13:06.40 | |newbie| | hello |
| 13:06.53 | |newbie| | lol, i am newbie |
| 13:10.04 | kulve | aren't we all |
| 13:10.58 | |newbie| | are you ponging me, lol |
| 13:11.05 | |newbie| | it is too early |
| 13:11.51 | |newbie| | i just got kde on this doodad... |
| 13:13.29 | *** part/#maemo snake_mountain (n=cwebb@75.144.171.249) |
| 13:16.47 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@218.sub-75-205-174.myvzw.com) |
| 13:19.00 | SDuensin | Morning. |
| 13:19.34 | Navi | morning |
| 13:19.47 | *** part/#maemo celesteh (n=celesteh@82-46-164-29.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:19.58 | lopz | hi |
| 13:21.45 | *** join/#maemo Cymor-Work (n=Cymor@unaffiliated/cymor) |
| 13:23.21 | morbec | what I need to do to have a maemo really working and useful to development ? |
| 13:24.16 | *** part/#maemo tony2001 (n=tony@mail.daylessday.org) |
| 13:25.51 | pupnik | more initiative |
| 13:28.32 | Italodance | guys guys |
| 13:28.41 | Italodance | i installed http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/sdlquake/sdlquake.htm now |
| 13:29.20 | *** join/#maemo snake_mountai1 (n=cwebb@75.144.171.249) |
| 13:29.37 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 13:29.40 | Italodance | but it showes me sometimes the game is demo/unregistered and i must call to a number for do it |
| 13:29.43 | Italodance | ?????? |
| 13:30.24 | snake_mountai1 | Anyone here familiar with sqlite3 on N770? |
| 13:32.05 | *** join/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@main.netvision.com.py) |
| 13:33.34 | trickie | Italodance: you need the original game data files |
| 13:35.32 | trickie | as the site where you got the install states |
| 13:39.55 | Italodance | trickie |
| 13:40.26 | Italodance | shareware data files ? |
| 13:40.43 | Italodance | ./quake/id1 |
| 13:41.02 | *** join/#maemo vinilios_ (n=vinilios@adsl35-221.kln.forthnet.gr) |
| 13:41.19 | Italodance | i need to create quake on my mmc sd or n800 internal 256 ? |
| 13:41.21 | Italodance | whicj one? |
| 13:41.27 | Italodance | *which |
| 13:42.13 | *** join/#maemo alextreme (n=alex@53512E41.cable.casema.nl) |
| 13:42.29 | *** join/#maemo jeddy3 (n=mattiast@gw.sbg.se) |
| 13:42.47 | *** join/#maemo Blain (n=Blain@ns1000.ntgdc.com) |
| 13:42.53 | trickie | if you installed the version that runs from the internal flash, then install it on the internal flash |
| 13:43.21 | trickie | Italodance: never mind |
| 13:43.36 | trickie | if you installed the version that runs from internal flash you have ti already |
| 13:43.43 | trickie | but i don't know |
| 13:43.46 | trickie | i don't use it |
| 13:43.48 | Italodance | so i can add quake/id1 on one od them? |
| 13:43.57 | Italodance | ok wait |
| 13:44.25 | trickie | no, read up |
| 13:44.40 | trickie | i assume 'Ready2Run versions (just install and play) ' means exactly that |
| 13:44.50 | *** join/#maemo mgedmin (n=mg@office.pov.lt) |
| 13:45.02 | trickie | that it says you have an unregistered copy is because it must bundle the shareware data files |
| 13:47.07 | Italodance | trickie i made quake/id1 and added shareware data files into that on my sd card but it didn't work? |
| 13:47.48 | trickie | Italodance: did you read what i have just been typing? |
| 13:49.51 | Italodance | yes |
| 13:49.56 | *** join/#maemo playya (n=playya@pD9E0A9CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:53.37 | trickie | well the version you are running and playin already has the shareware data |
| 13:53.47 | trickie | theats why it says it is unregistered |
| 13:54.18 | trickie | to play the full version you need the original game data, and it looks like you need to use the install methods for running from a memory card |
| 13:55.30 | trickie | all the info is on that webpage |
| 13:55.34 | trickie | read it carefully |
| 13:56.24 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 13:58.00 | Italodance | yes i know but |
| 13:58.02 | Italodance | listen |
| 13:58.14 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-147-212-148.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) |
| 13:58.34 | Italodance | i downloaded http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/sdlquake/quake_sw.zip and added it to my mmc2/quake/id1 |
| 13:58.45 | Italodance | but how it works? just that? |
| 14:01.34 | trickie | no, grr, those files are the shareware datafiles |
| 14:02.22 | Italodance | so what? |
| 14:02.23 | trickie | you only need them if you are using the version of the software that looks for the datafiles on the mcc cards |
| 14:02.38 | trickie | and i assume you installed the ready to play ones? |
| 14:02.40 | Italodance | oh yes |
| 14:02.41 | trickie | one |
| 14:02.51 | Italodance | Ready2Run versions (just install and play) : |
| 14:02.52 | trickie | yes well that has the data files already |
| 14:02.54 | Italodance | it is perfect |
| 14:02.59 | trickie | hence you are playing it |
| 14:03.18 | *** join/#maemo [pablo] (n=pablo@71-223-141-106.phnx.qwest.net) |
| 14:03.22 | Italodance | but on 1 scene it wants register....maybe it is full |
| 14:03.50 | *** join/#maemo trac3r (n=sm00th@91.195.111.236) |
| 14:04.41 | Italodance | maybe not |
| 14:05.17 | Italodance | trickie tell me how can i do with http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/repo/dists/chinook/user/source/quetoo_0.5.0-7zs.chinook.tar.gz ?? |
| 14:05.32 | Italodance | what is this file and where i should copy them? |
| 14:05.48 | Italodance | sorry i bought my n800 a few days ago... |
| 14:07.04 | Italodance | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.30 | trickie | yes |
| 14:07.32 | trickie | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-quetoo/ |
| 14:07.39 | trickie | use the .deb available from there |
| 14:08.00 | Italodance | hope |
| 14:08.02 | trickie | Italodance: i don't know, i don't use that software, but a quick google shows more info |
| 14:08.22 | trickie | do you know how package management in maemo is handled? |
| 14:08.29 | Italodance | Preliminary quetoo (quake2 engine) port to the n800. The original quake2 data files are not included in the package. |
| 14:08.53 | Italodance | it is beta |
| 14:11.57 | *** join/#maemo hugolp (n=jo@unaffiliated/hugolp) |
| 14:16.10 | Navi | I swiped the Q2 paks from my friend |
| 14:16.18 | Navi | it's hard to play when everything's so choppy :) |
| 14:22.17 | *** join/#maemo megabyte405_ (n=ryan@84.126.78.57.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 14:22.31 | *** join/#maemo snowmoon (n=ew2193@cpe-74-70-154-77.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 14:24.59 | *** join/#maemo Tobotras (n=boris@ppp85-140-129-4.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 14:28.39 | *** join/#maemo db48x (n=db48x@cl-76.qas-01.us.sixxs.net) |
| 14:30.19 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@ip-87-108-52-33.customer.academica.fi) |
| 14:37.13 | rm_you | I swiped the Q2 paks from my friend (the internet) |
| 14:37.21 | *** join/#maemo mallum (n=mallum@host86-159-137-205.range86-159.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:37.27 | rm_you | though I think its legal since i have the legit cd at my house? lol |
| 14:37.31 | *** join/#maemo simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 14:38.57 | *** join/#maemo TimRiker (n=timr@70.1.67.186) |
| 14:44.13 | *** join/#maemo solmumaha (n=solmis@mikkeli.wsoy.fi) |
| 14:44.27 | X-Fade | Does anybody have any events or conferences that are interesting for the maemo community? |
| 14:45.18 | X-Fade | I'm adding events to the calendar, so if you have something interesting. Please let me know. |
| 14:45.45 | X-Fade | https://maemo.org/news/events/ |
| 14:46.57 | *** join/#maemo ijon_ (n=ijon@dhcp218-147.yandex.ru) |
| 14:47.11 | snake_mountai1 | Hello??? Anyone familair with sqlite on N770? |
| 14:50.21 | jeddy3 | anyone familiar with hildon widgets? what is the "header" widget used in for example media player and program manager (the top bar with the "window backtrace") is it hildon specific? |
| 14:51.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Bossa Conference? Diablo release date? ;-) |
| 14:52.41 | *** join/#maemo WorkingOnWise (n=workingo@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 14:53.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, bossa is going on right now. And I don't know anything about Diablo :D |
| 14:54.07 | kulve | snake_mountai1: many. Try asking the real question you have.. |
| 14:55.12 | *** join/#maemo Blain_ (n=Blain@ns1000.ntgdc.com) |
| 14:55.30 | kulve | jeddy3: "window backtrace"? The title bar is matchbox specific, afaik. |
| 14:56.32 | *** join/#maemo briand (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 14:57.37 | *** join/#maemo alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-acto9-0-0-cust931.brnt.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:57.39 | Navi | wonders how alp's WebKit Mobile presentation went |
| 14:57.47 | snake_mountai1 | Kulve: I'm in red pill mode and have located the sqlite3 files but they will not install. I can't even install directly from the downloads. |
| 14:58.03 | *** join/#maemo dougt (n=dougt@c-69-181-4-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 14:58.28 | X-Fade | Navi: Yeah, mee too. I hope they will announce webkit for microb ;) |
| 14:59.03 | Navi | :/ |
| 14:59.07 | Navi | Fuck xulrunner |
| 14:59.15 | jeddy3 | kulve, not title bar, in media player if you go to for example Music, Artists, Artist, Album... you get a top header with a clickable "backtrace" of the subcatecories saying "Music>Artist>Artist>Album" |
| 14:59.31 | jku | X-Fade, that would be nice... would probably mean lot more apps built on top of it |
| 14:59.38 | dougt | i have a q about sb2; i am running into a python error (ImportError: No module named optpars). |
| 14:59.41 | X-Fade | webkit-gtk is in extras btw, so if you want to test it :) |
| 14:59.50 | dougt | i am basically doing: from optparse import OptionParser. and that fails. |
| 15:00.00 | Navi | jku, no it wouldn't :P It'd be a bloated xulrunner/webkitgtk mess |
| 15:00.01 | jku | X-Fade, ooh... nice |
| 15:00.07 | dougt | i am wondering if sb2 is messing up python's search path or something |
| 15:00.19 | X-Fade | jku: Including -dev. |
| 15:00.21 | jeddy3 | where you can click back to any of the categories you are located "under" |
| 15:00.42 | X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/w/webkit/ |
| 15:00.59 | Navi | X-Fade, does it have alp's maemo-specific patches patched to it? |
| 15:01.06 | jeddy3 | kulve, think wiki link header |
| 15:01.45 | X-Fade | Navi: I don't know. I just saw that they were uploaded to extras. |
| 15:01.54 | jku | Navi, what do you mean? |
| 15:02.14 | Navi | jku, what do I mean about what? |
| 15:02.33 | jku | how would webkit be a mess? |
| 15:02.44 | Navi | the xulrunner part would be a mess. |
| 15:02.58 | Navi | a separate browser altogether would be best. |
| 15:03.05 | jku | well, I can imagine/accept that :) |
| 15:03.57 | snake_mountai1 | Application Manager, Install from file, libsqlite "Unable to update libsqlite...yada", yet I can't locate the file on the nokia |
| 15:04.27 | Navi | hrm |
| 15:04.33 | Navi | the packages were uploaded recently |
| 15:04.44 | snake_mountai1 | tried again to day. |
| 15:05.53 | snake_mountai1 | say's it is updatable |
| 15:06.05 | X-Fade | Navi: http://nightly.webkit.org/builds/trunk/src/1 it seems that it is rather current? |
| 15:07.02 | Navi | yeah, webkit's updated a lot |
| 15:07.24 | Navi | but I'm just wondering if the webkit repos were in preparation for bossa :) |
| 15:07.28 | X-Fade | Navi: Yeah, but that number indicates that it is source from about 10th of march.. |
| 15:07.50 | Navi | yeah, I know |
| 15:07.58 | Navi | the package was uploaded the 11th, too |
| 15:08.27 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@201.59.167.106) |
| 15:09.11 | *** join/#maemo Blain (n=Blain@ns1000.ntgdc.com) |
| 15:09.47 | WorkingOnWise | anyone using the minefield? how well does it work, compared to the built in browser? |
| 15:09.54 | WorkingOnWise | on the N800 |
| 15:10.21 | dougt | well, the UI is just a desktop port, so it don't really work. |
| 15:10.47 | WorkingOnWise | i cant tap in a url in the address bar.... |
| 15:11.02 | dougt | Navi: how would xulrunner be a mess? |
| 15:11.05 | WorkingOnWise | so I guess it's just a tease right now huh... |
| 15:11.08 | *** join/#maemo mgedmin (n=mg@213.226.190.62) |
| 15:11.26 | dougt | WorkingOnWise: yeah. the urlbar is pretty small. |
| 15:11.28 | Navi | dougt, it's totally unneeded |
| 15:11.36 | Navi | and designed to integrate with gecko |
| 15:12.03 | dougt | well, sort of. |
| 15:12.23 | WorkingOnWise | I get the On screen keyboard, and can see the cursor blinking, but nothing changes when I type.... |
| 15:12.24 | dougt | xulrunner is the thing under firefox, really. |
| 15:12.30 | Navi | or uh, the other way |
| 15:12.34 | dougt | :-) |
| 15:12.38 | dougt | no. |
| 15:12.53 | blassey | Navi: sorry, you're wrong here |
| 15:12.55 | WorkingOnWise | but I see that bookmarks work... |
| 15:12.56 | Navi | :P |
| 15:13.22 | *** join/#maemo lubyou (n=lubyou@dslb-088-070-009-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:13.30 | blassey | WorkingOnWise: everything "works" |
| 15:13.31 | snake_mountai1 | I've read that sqlite is part of maemo mapper, but it is not installed. I can't even uninstall mameo mapper now. |
| 15:13.32 | WorkingOnWise | whoa...it does tabs! |
| 15:13.45 | blassey | its litterally the full desktop browser |
| 15:14.14 | blassey | extensions, plugins etc. |
| 15:14.43 | blassey | but the UI wasn't meant for the small screen |
| 15:14.51 | WorkingOnWise | wow....so it is *almost* ready to use...just cant type anything into the url bar |
| 15:15.16 | blassey | WorkingOnWise: did you build it yourself? |
| 15:15.57 | WorkingOnWise | nope. installed from a repo i got at http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
| 15:16.15 | dougt | scary. |
| 15:16.19 | blassey | yea.... |
| 15:16.27 | dougt | who is gronmayer? |
| 15:16.31 | blassey | didn't your mom ever tell you not to take candy from strangers? |
| 15:16.38 | WorkingOnWise | lol..yeah... |
| 15:17.09 | WorkingOnWise | it's new to me, this N800 . Whats the workt I can do, brick it? |
| 15:17.11 | dougt | so. all bets are off WorkingOnWise. blassey has a repo you should use instead. |
| 15:17.17 | blassey | so there's an extension which pops up the software keyboard when a text box is clicked |
| 15:17.31 | blassey | its in the mozilla builds |
| 15:17.38 | WorkingOnWise | where do I get that repo? |
| 15:17.42 | WorkingOnWise | I like blood |
| 15:19.04 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=az@195.91.167.225) |
| 15:19.08 | WorkingOnWise | actually, with this build, I get the keyboard, can sellect the url with the styuls, but nothing happens when I hit a key on th keyboard...wierd. |
| 15:19.42 | WorkingOnWise | blassey: the mozilla builds on the mozilla site? |
| 15:19.50 | blassey | WorkingOnWise: here's an old version of minefield |
| 15:19.51 | blassey | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/ |
| 15:20.11 | blassey | built in mid january (before all the performance improvements landed in the tree) |
| 15:20.38 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 15:21.14 | WorkingOnWise | so does that one perform like firefox 2? hehe |
| 15:21.18 | *** join/#maemo edistar_ (n=edistar@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 15:21.20 | blassey | if you want to try something more recent, there's a xulrunner built yesterday |
| 15:21.35 | blassey | here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ |
| 15:22.01 | blassey | I'm using it with bsmedberg's mybrowser UI |
| 15:22.11 | blassey | no tabs or extensions, but super fast |
| 15:22.32 | snowmoon | Is there a way to increase the minimum dtmf time under SIP calling ( rtcomm beta ) |
| 15:22.38 | blassey | here's a little write up |
| 15:22.39 | blassey | http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ |
| 15:23.20 | *** join/#maemo Blain_ (n=Blain@ns1000.ntgdc.com) |
| 15:26.08 | Navi | hehe, the webkit in the repos is pretty nice :o |
| 15:26.40 | *** join/#maemo behdad (n=behdad@s0493.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 15:27.16 | X-Fade | Navi: What did you test it with? |
| 15:27.32 | Navi | a demo browser |
| 15:29.15 | dougt | Navi: does this run under the built in browser (replacing mozilla), or is it its own app? |
| 15:29.50 | Navi | Huh? It's the demo app that comes with the webkit sources |
| 15:30.14 | X-Fade | dougt: It is only the webkit library. No browser. |
| 15:31.33 | dougt | X-Fade: how do I install it? |
| 15:31.48 | Navi | dougt, it's in extras |
| 15:33.42 | dougt | Navi: but not available via the Application Manager yet? |
| 15:33.54 | X-Fade | dougt: It is a library. |
| 15:34.14 | X-Fade | dougt: Not to be used by users. |
| 15:34.42 | dougt | oh. i thought it was the library that implements the browser abstraction layer. |
| 15:34.58 | X-Fade | dougt: Nope, that part is still missing :) |
| 15:35.12 | dougt | come on alp! |
| 15:35.32 | X-Fade | So you can make your own little browser by linking with it. But that is it.. |
| 15:36.06 | Navi | I thought alp ditched the EAL when it went proprietary |
| 15:36.49 | dougt | no idea. was kidding ^ |
| 15:36.56 | Navi | :P |
| 15:37.40 | WorkingOnWise | anyone care to call me on my N800 so I can be sure my troubles are the fault of the site and not my N800? |
| 15:37.50 | WorkingOnWise | using google talk? |
| 15:39.27 | Navi | sexy |
| 15:40.00 | edistar_ | what was that alternative kernel+rootfs for nokia tablet called again? the one that's completely open? |
| 15:40.00 | WorkingOnWise | um....was that a yes Navi? |
| 15:40.17 | Navi | I was talking about webkit >_> |
| 15:40.24 | WorkingOnWise | lol...ok |
| 15:40.35 | Navi | ran the css benchmark by nontroppo |
| 15:40.54 | Navi | 1533ms in the demo browser, 10789ms in microb |
| 15:41.16 | WorkingOnWise | wow... |
| 15:44.33 | X-Fade | Navi: And a javascript benchmark? :) |
| 15:44.37 | dougt | yeah, microb doesn't have any of he performance work that has been written up |
| 15:45.00 | Navi | X-Fade, find me one and I'll run it |
| 15:45.00 | dougt | if you grab a nightly xulrunner build and run on that, we are pretty quick. |
| 15:45.01 | Navi | :P |
| 15:45.41 | X-Fade | Navi: http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html |
| 15:46.12 | Navi | dougt, I'll look into it |
| 15:46.22 | Navi | dougt, or you can run the bench :D |
| 15:47.06 | dougt | please look into it. it would be cool to get your feedback. |
| 15:47.37 | Navi | Are you part of the microb team? |
| 15:47.41 | zuh | dougt: I wonder why there's no xulrunner builds for maemo ;) |
| 15:47.52 | *** join/#maemo Blain (n=Blain@ns1000.ntgdc.com) |
| 15:47.58 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=qwerty12@87.74.26.240) |
| 15:48.19 | Navi | X-Fade, running it now |
| 15:48.34 | X-Fade | Navi: Will take a while. I'm still running it on my desktop ;) |
| 15:48.36 | Navi | X-Fade, you can do it from microb and save me the trouble :) |
| 15:48.39 | Navi | lol |
| 15:48.50 | X-Fade | Ok, I will do the microb one.. |
| 15:48.59 | sp3000 | dougt: I take it "optpars" was a typo ;) |
| 15:49.32 | Navi | which reminds me, I need to get around to building the latest svn on my deskto |
| 15:49.38 | dougt | sp3000: y. |
| 15:49.46 | blassey | Navi: 1071ms for xulrunner + mybrowser |
| 15:49.56 | WorkingOnWise | if i call someone from my n800 to their pc, and they dont hav a acm, and mine is on, will they see video from me? |
| 15:49.56 | Navi | blassey, sexy |
| 15:49.56 | *** join/#maemo Zic (n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic) |
| 15:49.57 | dougt | sp3000: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371899 |
| 15:50.14 | Navi | quick shit |
| 15:50.16 | dougt | sp3000: the code, on line 3, just does an import. |
| 15:50.30 | *** join/#maemo hullfandan (n=daniel@86-60-152-69-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 15:51.17 | Navi | WorkingOnWise, in gtalk? |
| 15:51.20 | sp3000 | isn't familiar with sb2, alas |
| 15:51.23 | WorkingOnWise | yup |
| 15:51.42 | Navi | WorkingOnWise, desktop gtalk doesn't support video, does it? |
| 15:52.25 | WorkingOnWise | um....I assumed it does...Linux NEVER gets features first! |
| 15:52.46 | *** join/#maemo Lateralus (n=Owner@cpe-66-75-55-95.san.res.rr.com) |
| 15:52.50 | Navi | It's been a long time since I've used the gtalk client |
| 15:52.58 | WorkingOnWise | linux has video in gtalk before windows? and a tablet to boot?? |
| 15:53.15 | dougt | sp3000: know anyone that might know what is going on? |
| 15:53.22 | *** join/#maemo ol_schoola (n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 15:53.31 | blassey | zuh: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/xulrunner-1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2 |
| 15:53.46 | Navi | wgets |
| 15:54.04 | WorkingOnWise | I didnt seee anyting for video on the pc, so u are likely right....I just figured it the N800 does it, Windows has done it for years! |
| 15:54.07 | WorkingOnWise | lol |
| 15:55.06 | WorkingOnWise | so there's no way to do video calls to anyone but another N800/810 user. |
| 15:55.07 | sp3000 | dougt: there's a scratchbox-users list, perhaps they're helpful |
| 15:55.33 | dougt | same list for sb2? |
| 15:55.33 | *** join/#maemo red-zack (n=mk@p5085E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:55.46 | sp3000 | http://www.mail-archive.com/scratchbox-users@lists.scratchbox.org/msg00735.html |
| 15:56.00 | dougt | thanks! |
| 15:56.04 | *** join/#maemo frethop (i=c66e616c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4337202f7dd121c4) |
| 15:56.13 | sp3000 | np, hope it helps |
| 15:58.29 | *** join/#maemo hullfandango (n=maemo@86-60-152-69-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 15:58.29 | X-Fade | Navi: Ok, it seems that that javascript benchmark is hitting microb hard. I have to hit the 'Script is taking too long' popup a lot of times.. |
| 15:58.36 | Navi | X-Fade, heh |
| 15:58.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:58.45 | Navi | ^_^;; |
| 15:58.49 | Navi | that kind of messes things up |
| 15:58.59 | X-Fade | Yeah, it does.. |
| 15:59.16 | KotCzarny | one can simply put 'timed out' in results ;) |
| 15:59.29 | Veggen | hmm. think my laptop's going dead. I'll have to get used to the n810 for daily use, then... |
| 15:59.40 | X-Fade | KotCzarny: 'dog slow' |
| 15:59.40 | zuh | blassey: Sounds... unintegrated :) |
| 16:00.53 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (i=ehs1@kde/hein) |
| 16:01.31 | zuh | blassey: How recent is that? |
| 16:01.32 | frethop | Anyone have experience with desktop applets in python? |
| 16:01.46 | *** join/#maemo arme1 (n=arwlodar@217.67.202.122) |
| 16:01.49 | blassey | yesterday |
| 16:02.17 | *** join/#maemo beavis (n=mk@p5085E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:02.31 | zuh | blassey: So it's some trunk/whateveritscalledformozilla build? |
| 16:02.43 | blassey | yup |
| 16:02.49 | zuh | coolness |
| 16:02.49 | blassey | nightly |
| 16:04.19 | X-Fade | Navi: Ah, about:config seems to help out here.. I've now set the timeout to 10 minutes ;) |
| 16:05.25 | Navi | :) |
| 16:05.33 | Navi | zuh, lol |
| 16:06.10 | Veggen | hmm. there's a few difficult key combinations on the n810. ctrl-p being one of them. |
| 16:06.47 | X-Fade | Veggen: Doesn't ctrl stick when pressing twice? |
| 16:07.16 | X-Fade | Veggen: Can't test it now, I'm running a benchmark ;) |
| 16:07.16 | Veggen | nope. ctrl doesn't stick. |
| 16:07.40 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@61.84-49-136.nextgentel.com) |
| 16:07.41 | Veggen | hmm. wonder if I can make it. |
| 16:07.54 | Navi | X-Fade, Total: 20600.4ms |
| 16:08.00 | Navi | X-Fade, Total: 206000.4ms |
| 16:08.04 | Navi | was missing a zero |
| 16:08.20 | X-Fade | Navi: My desktop: Total: 38950.6ms +/- 1.7% |
| 16:08.28 | blassey | is that sunspider? |
| 16:08.32 | Navi | blassey, yes |
| 16:08.34 | Veggen | would be perfect if it worked like shift and Fn that sticks if pressed separately. |
| 16:08.38 | X-Fade | blassey: yep.. |
| 16:09.25 | *** join/#maemo Bofu2U (n=rob@c-69-143-96-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:10.10 | X-Fade | Navi: Save your url somewhere, so we can use the compare option :) |
| 16:10.22 | X-Fade | Navi: If/when microb finishes.. |
| 16:10.29 | blassey | Total: 108833.2ms +/- |
| 16:10.44 | blassey | what's your url, we can do a side by side |
| 16:10.53 | Navi | blassey, nice, half the speed |
| 16:10.56 | Navi | er |
| 16:11.00 | Navi | half the time ^^ |
| 16:11.22 | Navi | huge url |
| 16:11.25 | Navi | let me tinyurl it |
| 16:11.26 | KotCzarny | tiny.pl |
| 16:11.52 | blassey | can you use a tiny url in web kit's comparator? |
| 16:12.01 | Navi | hrm? |
| 16:12.08 | blassey | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371094 |
| 16:12.13 | blassey | my url is there |
| 16:12.14 | X-Fade | blassey: I don't think so. You need to expand it yourself.. |
| 16:12.19 | Navi | http://tinyurl.com/yqlorc |
| 16:12.21 | *** join/#maemo WorkingOnWis1 (n=user@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 16:12.57 | Navi | those are my results |
| 16:13.32 | *** join/#maemo febb (n=febb@189.135.65.130) |
| 16:13.36 | *** join/#maemo MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@201.59.167.106) |
| 16:14.38 | Navi | Heh |
| 16:14.50 | X-Fade | Still running mine ;) |
| 16:14.55 | *** join/#maemo f_mohr (n=f_mohr@dslb-084-058-227-171.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:15.12 | Navi | the only thing that the webkitgtk build outdid the nightly xulrunner in was regexp |
| 16:17.07 | Navi | javascript performance ftl |
| 16:19.42 | *** join/#maemo mgedmin_ (n=mg@office.pov.lt) |
| 16:20.05 | *** part/#maemo WorkingOnWis1 (n=user@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 16:20.12 | X-Fade | Navi: Well, it is obvious that both of those options are a lot better than what we have now ;) |
| 16:20.23 | Navi | :D |
| 16:20.25 | *** join/#maemo EvilGuru (n=EvilGuru@witherden.org) |
| 16:20.33 | X-Fade | And yes, it is still running ;) |
| 16:21.00 | blassey | X-Fade: you're doing better than the iphone |
| 16:21.11 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 16:21.16 | blassey | it reboots when running sunspider |
| 16:21.21 | Navi | haha |
| 16:22.09 | X-Fade | blassey: Hehe, well it doesn't reboot. But it doesn't like it.. |
| 16:22.46 | Navi | X-Fade, you're not going to finish any time soon ^_^ |
| 16:22.58 | *** join/#maemo user_ (n=user@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 16:23.15 | *** join/#maemo vcgomes (n=Vinicius@201.59.167.106) |
| 16:23.23 | X-Fade | Navi: I think it has done 3 or 4 iterations.. |
| 16:23.32 | Navi | lol |
| 16:23.33 | X-Fade | Of the 5 it is supposed to do.. |
| 16:23.43 | Navi | mmk |
| 16:24.14 | *** join/#maemo Faheem_Pervez_qw (n=qwerty12@84.9.55.213) |
| 16:24.31 | Navi | I really need to reboot to windows to get some stuff done :( |
| 16:24.33 | X-Fade | So i guess it will be something like total: 1 hour |
| 16:24.38 | Navi | doesn't want to ;_; |
| 16:24.45 | KotCzarny | wine? |
| 16:24.50 | Navi | my poor uptime :/ |
| 16:25.08 | X-Fade | Navi: vm? |
| 16:25.17 | Navi | nah |
| 16:25.30 | X-Fade | Ah, it is running 3d cube again.. |
| 16:25.34 | Navi | I don't have the resources to do that |
| 16:25.43 | KotCzarny | navi: swsusp2 saves uptime |
| 16:25.43 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:25.59 | KotCzarny | i mean tux-on-ice |
| 16:26.03 | Navi | 3D cube's like the first test >_> |
| 16:26.21 | *** join/#maemo kaie (n=kaie@s15277822.onlinehome-server.info) |
| 16:26.21 | X-Fade | Navi: yeah, it runs the whole test series 5 times.. |
| 16:26.28 | Navi | oh, right |
| 16:26.39 | Navi | didn't know |
| 16:26.47 | *** join/#maemo JussiP (n=jpakkane@xdsl-83-145-207-155.nebulazone.fi) |
| 16:27.50 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | @KotCzarny, intresting. it seems better than the current hibernation I have in Ubuntu :( |
| 16:28.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:28.09 | KotCzarny | i have never tried swsusp |
| 16:28.24 | KotCzarny | but recent swsusp2 version has some issues |
| 16:28.36 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | Ah, ok. Maybe not yet... :) |
| 16:28.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:28.53 | KotCzarny | at least on my laptop.. |
| 16:29.07 | *** part/#maemo snake_mountai1 (n=cwebb@75.144.171.249) |
| 16:29.17 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | Ok thanks, I would hate to lose my work on scratchbox :( if it messed up. |
| 16:29.22 | LoCusF | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 16:29.26 | KotCzarny | but on my desktop machine it works perfectly |
| 16:29.44 | KotCzarny | and it's the machine with scratchbox running :) |
| 16:30.04 | Navi | That was a rather belated thanks :D |
| 16:31.45 | *** join/#maemo snake_mountai1 (n=cwebb@75.144.171.249) |
| 16:31.58 | *** part/#maemo WorkingOnWise (n=workingo@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 16:32.39 | *** join/#maemo greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net) |
| 16:33.16 | snake_mountai1 | Is there a "better" time of day to seek help on particular applications? |
| 16:33.22 | *** join/#maemo dholbert (n=dholbert@corp-241.mountainview.mozilla.com) |
| 16:33.55 | X-Fade | snake_mountai1: I think now is about the best time. |
| 16:34.12 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | When nothing is being said :D |
| 16:34.30 | snake_mountai1 | Thanks. sqlite3, pretty please! |
| 16:34.59 | *** join/#maemo Mousey (n=AreYou@dsl093-144-195.sba1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:35.09 | snake_mountai1 | I'm about ready to wipe my N770 clean and start over. |
| 16:35.56 | *** join/#maemo NetBlade (n=osku@xdsl-206-183.nblnetworks.fi) |
| 16:36.12 | KotCzarny | (and silence pop out of the sky) |
| 16:36.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:36.36 | snake_mountai1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.48 | X-Fade | snake_mountai1: An actual question and a bit of background would be a lot better. |
| 16:37.19 | snake_mountai1 | ...(3 hours later),...let me begin again,... |
| 16:37.33 | snake_mountai1 | I'm just trying to install sqlite |
| 16:38.29 | snake_mountai1 | I've tried red pill mode. I've tried installing directly from the download. Failure. :'( |
| 16:38.44 | snake_mountai1 | I've been trying for a month, off and on. |
| 16:38.52 | Veggen | what does the log say? |
| 16:39.08 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | I had the same problem with vagalume. apt-get worked |
| 16:39.14 | X-Fade | snake_mountai1: Error messages would help a lot more.. |
| 16:39.27 | *** join/#maemo shack008n (n=n800@143.225.90.154) |
| 16:39.39 | snake_mountai1 | "not upgradable" is the error message. |
| 16:39.42 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | btw: which OS? |
| 16:40.12 | snake_mountai1 | I also cannot not uninstall maemo-mapper. |
| 16:41.09 | snake_mountai1 | I see nothing in /var/log |
| 16:41.13 | Veggen | snake: there is a log that tells more details. you'll find it somewhere in the menu. |
| 16:41.25 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | Tools, log afaik in application manager |
| 16:41.51 | *** join/#maemo fab (n=bellet@bellet.info) |
| 16:42.02 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | do you have root access too? Maybe apt-get would work. |
| 16:42.03 | snake_mountai1 | tools log is empty |
| 16:42.16 | snake_mountai1 | yes gainroot |
| 16:42.40 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | what does apt-get install sqlite3 say? |
| 16:43.08 | X-Fade | snake_mountai1: What OS are you running? |
| 16:43.19 | snake_mountai1 | 2006 |
| 16:43.41 | *** join/#maemo avs (n=avs@a88-112-36-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:43.48 | X-Fade | Hmm i don't think it was installed there by default? |
| 16:45.01 | snake_mountai1 | E: unable to lock the adminstration directory /var/lib/dpkg is another process using it? |
| 16:45.08 | KotCzarny | close app manager |
| 16:45.15 | snake_mountai1 | oops! |
| 16:46.41 | mgedmin | or use sudo |
| 16:47.05 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | not if you are already root |
| 16:48.14 | snake_mountai1 | "unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix --missing? |
| 16:48.28 | X-Fade | Navi: It is still running. It started the 3d morph again.. |
| 16:48.29 | snake_mountai1 | hey I much farther than I was |
| 16:48.29 | KotCzarny | try apt-get update |
| 16:49.22 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | mgedmin: Do you run the irc log? :) |
| 16:49.32 | mgedmin | Faheem_Pervez_qw: yes |
| 16:49.43 | Faheem_Pervez_qw | Ah right, thanks :D |
| 16:50.08 | Navi | X-Fade, lol |
| 16:50.10 | Navi | XD |
| 16:50.28 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=qwerty12@84.9.55.213) |
| 16:50.53 | snake_mountai1 | Tried it, still failing |
| 16:51.16 | qwerty12 | Maybe more detail would help? |
| 16:51.39 | blassey | Navi: what demo app are you using? |
| 16:51.49 | blassey | is it available in the repo? |
| 16:52.28 | snake_mountai1 | "unable to update libsqlite3-0" |
| 16:52.51 | *** join/#maemo WorkingOnWise (n=workingo@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 16:53.09 | qwerty12 | apt-get update just downloads lists of repo's. It shouldn't be mentioning a package. |
| 16:53.15 | WorkingOnWise | has anyone installed Gizmo 3.1 on an N800? |
| 16:53.41 | Navi | blassey, no |
| 16:53.54 | Navi | blassey, I'm using the one that comes with the webkit source |
| 16:53.58 | snake_mountai1 | Oh! I went back and tried application manager after ap-get-install qlite3 ...failed again |
| 16:53.59 | Navi | GtkLauncher |
| 16:54.33 | blassey | Navi: btw, are you using an n800 or n810? |
| 16:54.39 | Navi | N800 |
| 16:54.50 | Veggen | hmm. revive my old via-based computer or get really used to my n810? |
| 16:54.52 | Navi | does it matter? |
| 16:54.58 | blassey | os2008? |
| 16:55.01 | Navi | yes |
| 16:55.39 | blassey | what did you do for the softkeyboard? |
| 16:55.44 | Mousey | os2008 overclocks n800's |
| 16:55.56 | Mousey | won't stand for a soft keyboard |
| 16:55.57 | Navi | blassey, what do you mean? |
| 16:56.03 | KotCzarny | not overclocks |
| 16:56.06 | KotCzarny | unlocks |
| 16:56.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:56.16 | Mousey | ununderclocks, fine |
| 16:56.20 | Mousey | =Pp |
| 16:56.25 | Navi | the webkit in the repos is built with --enable-hildon |
| 16:56.26 | KotCzarny | too long |
| 16:56.27 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 16:56.32 | Navi | or whatever the configure option is |
| 16:56.53 | KotCzarny | uncripples can fit too |
| 16:56.57 | KotCzarny | ok, bbl |
| 16:56.57 | Navi | the keyboard comes up on taps to text boxes and input fields as usual |
| 16:57.09 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=az@195.91.167.225) |
| 16:57.12 | Mousey | and microb w/flash! |
| 16:57.24 | blassey | Navi: cool |
| 16:57.28 | Navi | ah, --with-hildon |
| 16:57.32 | *** join/#maemo alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-acto9-0-0-cust931.brnt.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:57.41 | blassey | I had to add that in the the mozilla repo in the fall |
| 16:57.59 | Navi | cool |
| 16:58.14 | *** join/#maemo Vudentz_ (n=dentz@201.59.167.106) |
| 16:58.18 | blassey | btw...got a pointer to that demo app source? |
| 16:58.40 | Navi | shrugs |
| 16:59.00 | Navi | I got it when I checked out webkit from the git |
| 16:59.33 | Mousey | anyone know how to get handwriting working in everything? |
| 17:00.13 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com) |
| 17:00.14 | snake_mountai1 | has anyone ever reflashed their n770 with the hacked version (2007)? |
| 17:00.18 | qwerty12 | Does anybody know what CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY does? |
| 17:00.27 | WorkingOnWise | does file linking on the N800 work the same as in a desktop linux machine? I need an older lib than the N800 has, and I think I can get away with just linking the newer file to the older file. |
| 17:00.34 | *** join/#maemo V-I-P (n=V-I-P@dslb-084-057-188-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:00.43 | Navi | WorkingOnWise, linking? |
| 17:00.57 | WorkingOnWise | um..not the right term... |
| 17:01.10 | dougt | anyone using sb2? |
| 17:01.22 | Mousey | a soundblaster?? that'd be a feat |
| 17:01.28 | Navi | I was planning on giving it a try |
| 17:01.42 | Navi | but I've been lazy |
| 17:01.44 | qwerty12 | I tried but I get Invalid target specified, aborting. |
| 17:01.49 | *** part/#maemo avs (n=avs@a88-112-36-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 17:01.49 | qwerty12 | In sb2 |
| 17:01.59 | WorkingOnWise | um...the app needs file.old - I want to make a ...symlink? from file.new to file.old |
| 17:02.06 | Navi | oh |
| 17:02.11 | Navi | same as any other |
| 17:02.20 | Navi | ln -s file.old file.new |
| 17:03.29 | *** join/#maemo anders_gud (n=user@h4n2fls33o874.telia.com) |
| 17:03.45 | WorkingOnWise | cool... whats the easiest way to "share" the N800's file system with my laptop, so I can use my laptop to work on the N800. me the cli and a stylus aint a fun ride! lol |
| 17:04.17 | Navi | sshfs |
| 17:04.27 | WorkingOnWise | cool. thanks. |
| 17:07.17 | *** join/#maemo morbec (n=morbec@189.19.4.78) |
| 17:08.03 | X-Fade | Navi: http://tinyurl.com/2aykrj |
| 17:08.35 | X-Fade | Navi: 630685.4ms ;) |
| 17:10.08 | *** join/#maemo playya_ (n=playya@pD9E0B9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:18.07 | *** join/#maemo trickie (n=trickie@trickie.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:18.55 | dougt | i am trying to get python2.5 working in sb2 and not having much fun. |
| 17:19.42 | *** join/#maemo tko (n=tko@jumbo180.adsl.netsonic.fi) |
| 17:21.45 | *** join/#maemo juergbi (n=juerg@80-219-17-53.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:22.06 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 17:24.14 | dougt | is anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in sb? |
| 17:24.57 | Mousey | whats sb? |
| 17:25.01 | *** join/#maemo Italodance (i=Persia@92.61.181.103) |
| 17:25.19 | *** join/#maemo hfwilke (n=hwilke_@gateway.grayinsco.com) |
| 17:26.00 | dougt | scratchbox? |
| 17:26.02 | dougt | sbox |
| 17:26.05 | Mousey | OH! |
| 17:26.05 | Mousey | duh |
| 17:26.07 | dougt | :-) |
| 17:26.49 | dougt | i was setting up scratchbox 2 so that I could use gcc 4.2.1, but it might be as easy to get gcc 4.2.1 working in sbox1 |
| 17:34.16 | *** join/#maemo mankod (n=mankod@dsl-200-67-246-119.prod-empresarial.com.mx) |
| 17:40.10 | morbec | i did the follow steps to install maemo on Ubuntu 7.10: I installed scratchbox, then I installed maemo-sdk (using the scritps downloaded by maemo.org). After I ran fakeroot apt-get update ; apt-get install maemo-explicit. So when I run af-sb-init.sh start and I open the Contacts application there is a little box with the contents: loading contacts that never close .... |
| 17:40.17 | morbec | is this a bug? |
| 17:41.10 | onion | is it a bug or do I need to do something special to get images on gtkbuttons to show up? plain gtk works just fine. |
| 17:42.50 | *** join/#maemo jprieur (n=jprieur@hoasb-ff03dd00-31.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 17:43.06 | *** join/#maemo CrashandDie (n=Crashand@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-63.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 17:44.06 | *** join/#maemo dougt_ (n=dougt@c-69-181-4-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:45.14 | *** join/#maemo red-zack (n=mk@p5085E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:46.09 | *** join/#maemo tko (n=tko@jumbo180.adsl.netsonic.fi) |
| 17:49.44 | *** join/#maemo mgedmin (n=mg@office.pov.lt) |
| 17:52.34 | *** join/#maemo AD-N770 (n=jep@24.Red-80-26-22.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:54.49 | *** join/#maemo tko (n=tko@jumbo180.adsl.netsonic.fi) |
| 17:56.51 | *** join/#maemo vcgomes (n=Vinicius@201.59.167.106) |
| 17:58.09 | *** part/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@main.netvision.com.py) |
| 18:04.03 | *** join/#maemo Tuco111 (n=Tuco1@pool-151-205-189-101.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:05.24 | *** join/#maemo Tuco11 (n=Tuco1@nypix.ebi.com) |
| 18:14.32 | *** join/#maemo konttori (n=konttori@a88-113-140-60.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 18:15.52 | *** join/#maemo Lateralus (n=Owner@gateway.linspire.com) |
| 18:17.38 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@201.59.167.106) |
| 18:19.24 | *** part/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@201.59.167.106) |
| 18:20.17 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=trippin1@host-84-9-55-213.dslgb.com) |
| 18:20.22 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@201.59.167.106) |
| 18:20.37 | qwerty12 | hi, sorry to be abrupt but does anyone have "acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz"? |
| 18:26.54 | *** join/#maemo leo2007 (n=leo2007@sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk) |
| 18:32.51 | *** join/#maemo febb_ (n=febb@189.135.65.130) |
| 18:34.04 | *** join/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@host86-151-146-90.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:35.11 | *** join/#maemo dolske (n=dolske@corp-241.mountainview.mozilla.com) |
| 18:36.55 | *** join/#maemo j0tt (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) |
| 18:39.54 | *** join/#maemo ustunozgur (n=ustun@88.232.139.123) |
| 18:41.37 | WorkingOnWise | is there a command history for the terminal, and how do i use it? |
| 18:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | Up arrow? |
| 18:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://nitapps.com/ |
| 18:42.29 | lcuk_2 | it has a mind of its own - it remembers pervious attempts (badly) and doesnt remember the previous command always |
| 18:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | bash is also an option |
| 18:42.40 | lcuk_2 | previous even |
| 18:42.55 | WorkingOnWise | lol...hadn't considered the directional pad as an arrow key cluster... |
| 18:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | Damn sieves! |
| 18:43.17 | GeneralAntilles | The back key is also escape. |
| 18:45.56 | WorkingOnWise | the directional pad worke just like the arrow keys at least in xterm. slick... |
| 18:47.00 | leo2007 | ,pimlico |
| 18:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | There's a libwebkitgtk-1.0 in Extras |
| 18:56.36 | *** join/#maemo turbo (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 19:04.53 | *** join/#maemo AD-N770 (n=jep@24.Red-80-26-22.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:07.50 | *** join/#maemo gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 19:14.14 | *** join/#maemo greentux (n=lemke@Z704b.z.pppool.de) |
| 19:15.45 | *** part/#maemo hullfandan (n=daniel@86-60-152-69-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 19:19.56 | *** join/#maemo Masca (n=Masca@cablelink197-64.telefonia.intercable.net) |
| 19:20.54 | *** join/#maemo guardian (n=guardian@ANantes-252-1-57-217.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:22.45 | *** join/#maemo febb (n=febb@189.135.65.130) |
| 19:22.55 | *** join/#maemo keesj (n=keesj@ip49-193-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl) |
| 19:25.53 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 19:25.57 | *** join/#maemo febb (n=febb@189.135.65.130) |
| 19:26.46 | AStorm | hello |
| 19:27.04 | AStorm | canola2 dies on me with missing ecore |
| 19:27.20 | AStorm | what do i have tgo install? |
| 19:27.28 | AStorm | *to |
| 19:27.51 | keesj | AStorm: what os version are you using? |
| 19:28.14 | keesj | if you are using a itos 2007 you first need to install a different package |
| 19:28.58 | AStorm | 2.0.0-beta6-maemo2 |
| 19:29.06 | AStorm | and it's chinook |
| 19:29.55 | *** join/#maemo jeddy3 (n=mattiast@81-237-230-160-no83.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:30.03 | keesj | you followed http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second.html |
| 19:30.24 | AStorm | I think so, I'll check |
| 19:30.47 | keesj | I have no device at hand atm so I can't test , |
| 19:34.05 | jeddy3 | so this xulrunner update for maemo, what does it mean? faster browser, or is there still something missing? |
| 19:35.41 | *** join/#maemo joshin (n=joshin@VDSL-130-13-252-76.PHNX.QWEST.NET) |
| 19:39.36 | *** join/#maemo DaniloCesar (n=DaniloCe@nat/mandriva/x-6de767c202ece429) |
| 19:40.51 | Italodance | ok i make it |
| 19:40.56 | Italodance | hope help soon :( |
| 19:43.41 | *** join/#maemo k-s (n=gustavo@201.59.167.106) |
| 19:48.36 | *** join/#maemo unique311 (n=unique31@ool-457ae2a6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:49.11 | *** join/#maemo febb (n=febb@unaffiliated/febb) |
| 19:50.04 | *** part/#maemo WorkingOnWise (n=workingo@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 19:50.15 | unique311 | mypaint hildon |
| 19:53.00 | Italodance | hi unique311 :D |
| 19:53.07 | unique311 | hello |
| 19:53.24 | Tama^2 | hello |
| 19:54.06 | Tama^2 | Italodance: did you fix your OTG problems in the end? |
| 19:55.07 | *** join/#maemo smackpotato (n=user@69.158.250.136) |
| 19:56.38 | *** join/#maemo turbo (n=brian@c-68-35-254-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 19:58.15 | smackpotato | talk to me about gtk settings |
| 19:59.19 | Tama^2 | U,u |
| 20:02.11 | smackpotato | when a change is made to say cursor-theme-name dos it happen right away.do all programs know about the change |
| 20:02.58 | Tama^2 | <--- knows nothing |
| 20:03.10 | *** join/#maemo cmarcelo (n=cmarcelo@201.59.167.106) |
| 20:03.29 | smackpotato | im next to u on that |
| 20:03.48 | *** part/#maemo cmarcelo (n=cmarcelo@201.59.167.106) |
| 20:06.06 | *** join/#maemo LastLemming (n=a@men13-2-82-224-174-159.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:14.57 | *** join/#maemo beav2s (n=mk@p5085E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:20.25 | Italodance | Tama^2 what? |
| 20:20.34 | Italodance | OTG problems? |
| 20:21.13 | *** join/#maemo MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@201.59.167.106) |
| 20:30.04 | *** join/#maemo mk8 (n=GLaforge@151.16.205.75) |
| 20:30.50 | *** join/#maemo rtp (n=rtp@sat78-7-88-166-121-96.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:31.31 | *** join/#maemo Ryback_ (n=ulisses@201.59.167.106) |
| 20:32.13 | *** join/#maemo SDuensin (n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 20:33.20 | *** join/#maemo Masca (n=Masca@CableLink195-49.telefonia.InterCable.net) |
| 20:35.12 | *** join/#maemo Pio (n=sean@64.251.10.106) |
| 20:36.39 | *** join/#maemo frade (n=ivan@a88-114-90-214.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 20:39.10 | *** join/#maemo pH5 (n=ph5@e178242145.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:43.01 | *** join/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@host86-151-146-90.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:43.44 | *** part/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@host86-151-146-90.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:44.55 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@80.116.251.131) |
| 20:47.09 | *** join/#maemo playya (n=playya@pD9E0B9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:55.06 | *** join/#maemo AStorm (n=astralst@unaffiliated/astralstorm) |
| 20:55.22 | *** join/#maemo dshep` (n=user@ext-gw.dev.sf.yav4.com) |
| 21:01.27 | *** part/#maemo dshep` (n=user@ext-gw.dev.sf.yav4.com) |
| 21:01.30 | *** join/#maemo MangoFusion (n=jamesu@host86-147-212-148.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:08.30 | *** join/#maemo zahn (n=hunter@shell.icgroup.com) |
| 21:10.58 | zahn | I have an n810 running os2008 version 2.2007.50-2 ... In both this version, and the version that shipped with the n810, I have never been able to connect to a WLAN using WEP. I know I'm probably missing something stupid. Google has been no help |
| 21:11.42 | zahn | clarification: by 'unable to connect' I mean I get 'invalid WEP key length' |
| 21:12.46 | zahn | unless the key is precisely 5 characters |
| 21:13.30 | ||cw | try the hex version of the key |
| 21:15.34 | *** join/#maemo roue (n=roue@afterthought.ACS.Carleton.edu) |
| 21:24.27 | zahn | ||cw: how does that solve the 5 character limit? |
| 21:24.44 | zahn | does os2008 only accept 64bit wep keys? |
| 21:25.07 | Tester_ | zahn: also accepts 40bits |
| 21:25.51 | ||cw | 5 char is ascii, 10 char is hex, make sure you select the right option |
| 21:26.02 | zahn | where do i select that? |
| 21:26.22 | ||cw | where you put the wep key |
| 21:26.41 | zahn | there's no option for acsii vs. hex |
| 21:27.16 | *** join/#maemo fsmw (n=Fernando@200.113.154.144) |
| 21:29.49 | sp3000 | hmm, ssh on device is spewing at me about unsupported options in ssh_config |
| 21:30.08 | *** join/#maemo christefano (n=christef@pool-68-239-44-155.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:30.19 | lopz | re |
| 21:30.41 | sp3000 | anyone else seen those? |
| 21:31.28 | sp3000 | (steps: open xterm, ssh foo@bar.invalid) |
| 21:31.46 | KotCzarny | on default config? |
| 21:31.54 | sp3000 | sure |
| 21:32.00 | KotCzarny | let me try |
| 21:32.45 | sp3000 | 1:4.7p1-2.maemo1 since I flashed over the weekend chasing something |
| 21:32.54 | KotCzarny | no warnings |
| 21:33.05 | KotCzarny | everything went smooth |
| 21:33.13 | KotCzarny | OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5.maemo3, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004 |
| 21:33.47 | KotCzarny | maybe you have installed some experimental version |
| 21:33.51 | sp3000 | yeah, 4.7 is this month according to the garage page |
| 21:33.58 | sp3000 | nah, you just haven't updated ;) |
| 21:33.59 | KotCzarny | garage is experimental |
| 21:34.00 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 21:34.17 | f_mohr | i have the same with the current version |
| 21:34.21 | GeneralAntilles | Garage is not experimental. :\ |
| 21:34.54 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 21:34.54 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:34.54 | KotCzarny | garage is even worse than experimental |
| 21:34.54 | sp3000 | sobs |
| 21:35.05 | sp3000 | I'll have to touch garage's tracker, won't I :( |
| 21:35.10 | f_mohr | GSSAPI... |
| 21:35.32 | KotCzarny | sp3000: but what's the problem? |
| 21:35.37 | KotCzarny | just correct ssh_config |
| 21:35.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.56 | GeneralAntilles | Saying Garage is experimental is like saying Sourceforge is experimental |
| 21:36.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's both stupid and meaningless. |
| 21:36.08 | sp3000 | that's an O(n) solution in number of users |
| 21:36.54 | sp3000 | wonders how conffile updates are handled |
| 21:37.05 | KotCzarny | IMPORTANT: Most projects hosted here are run by maemo community teams. Official Nokia projects are clearly identified as such. |
| 21:37.14 | KotCzarny | from garage.maemo.org |
| 21:37.33 | sp3000 | infobot: what's my garage login? |
| 21:37.46 | f_mohr | strange thing is, both lines are commented out in sshd_config |
| 21:37.55 | lcuk_2 | remember: it is not the projects, but us who are experimental. |
| 21:37.57 | KotCzarny | ssh_ not sshd_ ? |
| 21:37.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:38.35 | sp3000 | wonders why fx didn't fill it in |
| 21:38.56 | KotCzarny | did you wait for the page to finish loading? |
| 21:39.05 | *** join/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 21:39.06 | sp3000 | pretty sure it was finished yeah |
| 21:39.26 | KotCzarny | than it's probably because you have multiple values entered? |
| 21:39.37 | KotCzarny | double click on login field |
| 21:39.56 | f_mohr | argh .. edited sshd_config one a differnt system a few times this evening ... its too late to read error messages ;-) |
| 21:40.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:40.19 | KotCzarny | good prompt is the key |
| 21:40.28 | *** part/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 21:41.45 | sp3000 | and wth is up with not auto-monitoring tracker entries you submit |
| 21:41.59 | sp3000 | sorry, artifacts |
| 21:42.03 | sp3000 | rolls eyes |
| 21:46.09 | *** join/#maemo douthat (n=john@130.39.0.28) |
| 21:49.47 | f_mohr | is there a good hardcase for the n810? |
| 21:50.03 | lcuk_2 | yes, your car |
| 21:50.16 | lcuk_2 | they even supply a little holder ;) |
| 21:50.16 | f_mohr | :-) |
| 21:50.18 | sp3000 | hahaha |
| 21:50.21 | sp3000 | darius <3 |
| 21:50.26 | KotCzarny | and power source? |
| 21:50.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | A case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo |
| 21:51.09 | lcuk_2 | oh crap KotCzarny, you are right! a power source is needed to give the gps time to connect |
| 21:51.57 | lcuk_2 | mohr - how far do you want to carry it - is it for home or for pocketing or for car ? |
| 21:52.09 | f_mohr | i've given up the internal gps and bought a bluetooth gps |
| 21:52.20 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 21:52.22 | lcuk_2 | thats such a sad thing |
| 21:52.38 | lcuk_2 | i am gonna mail nokia tomorrow about it |
| 21:52.48 | KotCzarny | what can they do? |
| 21:52.54 | AStorm | heh |
| 21:52.55 | KotCzarny | it's not user replaceable |
| 21:53.02 | KotCzarny | not even factory replaceable |
| 21:53.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:53.15 | AStorm | my problem with canola is that i have 2 pythons |
| 21:53.16 | lcuk_2 | same as apple can do - fix it. |
| 21:53.19 | f_mohr | lcuk_2 to carry it with me .. best would be belt attachable |
| 21:53.24 | AStorm | and default is 2.4 |
| 21:53.52 | lcuk_2 | ive ended up using the semi solid fujitsu pocket Loox case i have |
| 21:54.14 | lcuk_2 | its quick release and velco lidded and just about right |
| 21:54.29 | AStorm | will changing that to 2.5 break something importtant? |
| 21:54.58 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:55.05 | KotCzarny | but maybe not |
| 21:55.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.17 | lcuk_2 | well canola generally gets on well with snakes in the house. i once knew a guy with a nokia and a turtle. |
| 21:55.24 | sp3000 | keesj: :P |
| 21:55.35 | *** join/#maemo IRSeekBot (n=IRSeekLo@irseek/log-bot/IRSeekBot) |
| 21:55.35 | KotCzarny | i think i have python2.5 |
| 21:55.43 | KotCzarny | and canola was running fine with it |
| 21:55.47 | lcuk_2 | i thought that was the default |
| 21:55.53 | AStorm | mhm, site pkgs are empty |
| 21:56.00 | lcuk_2 | any other version should be self contained shouldnt it? |
| 21:56.13 | AStorm | 2.r just shouldc be removeed then |
| 21:56.51 | KotCzarny | dpkg should warn you if anything depends on the package you want to remove |
| 21:56.52 | AStorm | KotCzarny, the problem is i have botgh 2.4 and 2.5 for some reason |
| 21:57.09 | AStorm | and the symlink leads to 2.4 |
| 21:57.17 | AStorm | have to fix that |
| 21:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | Remove 2.4 |
| 21:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's old |
| 21:57.29 | KotCzarny | install 2.5 over it? |
| 21:57.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing should depend on it anymore |
| 21:58.48 | *** join/#maemo red-zack (n=mk@p5085E4B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:59.13 | AStorm | nothing does |
| 21:59.16 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4253 |
| 21:59.17 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 21:59.18 | *** join/#maemo timelyx (n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 21:59.23 | KotCzarny | safari for windows |
| 21:59.29 | AStorm | but first, fix tghe symlink |
| 21:59.30 | KotCzarny | mess, here it comes |
| 21:59.33 | AStorm | the |
| 22:00.20 | KotCzarny | and it's faster than fx3 |
| 22:00.23 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 22:04.19 | sp3000 | it dies before you even thought of closing it? :) |
| 22:04.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:05.21 | KotCzarny | let's hope it's standards compliant |
| 22:05.55 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@cs181192153.pp.htv.fi) |
| 22:05.55 | jott | well current webkit trunk gets 93/100 in acid3 test |
| 22:06.07 | GeneralAntilles | The test changed, evidently. |
| 22:06.52 | jott | still a good result |
| 22:07.10 | AStorm | safari is improved khtml |
| 22:07.26 | KotCzarny | fx3b4 scores 67/100 ? |
| 22:07.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:07.28 | AStorm | it is mostly compliant and improving |
| 22:07.29 | jott | webkit is forked khtml :) |
| 22:07.47 | AStorm | KotCzarny, microb gets 54 |
| 22:08.15 | jott | http://www.anomalousanomaly.com/2008/03/06/acid-3/ |
| 22:09.10 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 22:09.27 | KotCzarny | especially ie8 ;) |
| 22:09.57 | jott | hey, they had to tweak for acid2 first :) |
| 22:11.06 | jott | in five years they will realize that acid3 was the measurement for the latest browsers back then :) |
| 22:11.26 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 22:11.54 | Veggen | any xkb gurus here? where would it be specified that shift is sticky and ctrl is not? |
| 22:11.57 | AStorm | ie 5.5 had some code from ie for mac team |
| 22:12.11 | AStorm | that one was more standard compliant |
| 22:12.16 | Veggen | <--want a sticky ctrl. |
| 22:12.33 | AStorm | Veggen, use glue? ;) |
| 22:12.50 | Veggen | bah :) |
| 22:13.29 | AStorm | is there way to make led kbd backlight on all the time? |
| 22:13.35 | *** join/#maemo Pio (n=sean@64.251.10.106) |
| 22:13.41 | jott | AStorm: use glue? ;) |
| 22:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 22:13.58 | KotCzarny | astorm: /sys tweaking? |
| 22:13.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:14.06 | AStorm | hmm... |
| 22:14.12 | AStorm | how? |
| 22:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno. :P |
| 22:14.31 | KotCzarny | find /sys -name *led* |
| 22:14.40 | AStorm | checking... |
| 22:16.01 | *** join/#maemo jeff1f (n=jeff1f@adsl-75-5-237-192.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:16.43 | briand | 3 |
| 22:16.50 | AStorm | there are some cover leds |
| 22:16.58 | AStorm | and keyboard leds |
| 22:17.25 | AStorm | i'd like to have backlight on on power when keyboard is opened |
| 22:17.47 | AStorm | s/on power/on chargeer/ |
| 22:17.56 | AStorm | yup |
| 22:18.08 | AStorm | who is the infobot? |
| 22:18.11 | KotCzarny | make youserlf a shortcut |
| 22:18.23 | AStorm | blah |
| 22:18.34 | GeneralAntilles | A bot |
| 22:18.42 | AStorm | battery state is exported to dbus |
| 22:19.16 | AStorm | and backlight *maybe* if it's dark only (not required) |
| 22:19.38 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, mind reading? |
| 22:19.56 | KotCzarny | no, /on public s/* |
| 22:20.02 | AStorm | ah, it expanded my sed :P |
| 22:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Duh :P |
| 22:21.24 | AStorm | i'll have to do the kbd layouts |
| 22:21.38 | AStorm | then check dbus |
| 22:21.54 | AStorm | then try to add here a feal shell |
| 22:22.14 | AStorm | and boot from 2 G,flash |
| 22:23.14 | AStorm | btw, rss feed reader rejects feeds from racjonalista.pl |
| 22:23.44 | AStorm | claws-mail on my box and firefox accept them |
| 22:23.58 | AStorm | microb displays it too |
| 22:24.11 | AStorm | but rss reader fails |
| 22:24.22 | KotCzarny | bbl |
| 22:28.59 | *** join/#maemo Ivan_Chelubeev (n=ijon@ppp85-140-132-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 22:29.45 | AStorm | hmmm, pdf-reader doesn't want to uninstall for some reason |
| 22:30.28 | AStorm | ahha, had to close microb |
| 22:31.34 | AStorm | evince is just much faster and better |
| 22:34.49 | *** join/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 22:34.57 | *** join/#maemo l7_ (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 22:35.30 | Raytray | How would I use irssi on the n800? I can ssh onto the other box, screen in, but don't know how to switch windows without typing it in. -- And the screen cuts in half for some odd reason. |
| 22:36.59 | AStorm | escape then numbeer |
| 22:37.29 | AStorm | screen cuts i've never seen |
| 22:37.56 | Raytray | thanks, that's half way there. hehe |
| 22:38.05 | AStorm | zou can use xchat instead too |
| 22:38.09 | Raytray | It cuts it in half vertically and makes the right side white. |
| 22:38.16 | AStorm | hmm |
| 22:38.16 | *** join/#maemo cyberholic (n=Miranda@c171092.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 22:38.27 | cyberholic | Good evening every one! |
| 22:38.38 | AStorm | are you running inside screen? |
| 22:38.47 | Raytray | Yeah |
| 22:39.02 | Jaffa | sp3000: darius has gone even more bonkers than when he suggested ITT was a Microsoft conspiracy |
| 22:39.21 | Lateralus | Where is the name of your device stored? |
| 22:39.30 | AStorm | you've probably split it |
| 22:39.30 | sp3000 | I must have somehonw missed that episode |
| 22:39.37 | Raytray | ? |
| 22:39.42 | sp3000 | which is probably just as well |
| 22:40.01 | *** join/#maemo nabaHome (n=naba@a91-154-113-150.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 22:40.05 | Raytray | It usually happens 2-5 seconds after I screen in. |
| 22:40.09 | AStorm | fsck, n810 screen is too light in total darkness |
| 22:40.21 | AStorm | even at the lowest setting |
| 22:40.40 | cyberholic | AStorm: get yourself the Black/Rec Clock Mojo at my webpage, that might help. |
| 22:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | Darius makes me laugh. |
| 22:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how any of that could be anything but a stupid joke. |
| 22:41.11 | AStorm | cyberholic, what does it do? |
| 22:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/adv-backlight/ |
| 22:41.37 | cyberholic | astorm: its very dark and when you touch it, it gets brighter in case you want to know the time :) |
| 22:42.05 | AStorm | might be too dark :P |
| 22:42.06 | Jaffa | He must be on medication. Perhaps the dosage need upping? And probably an increase in aluminium thickness in his tin foil hat. |
| 22:42.11 | cyberholic | :) |
| 22:42.26 | Raytray | Oh, nevermind, I realized what splits it. looks fine on a larger screen though. :( |
| 22:42.33 | *** part/#maemo edistar (n=edistar@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 22:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | The aluminum got through the blood brain barrier. |
| 22:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | Brain damage. |
| 22:44.07 | cyberholic | Trivia Question with a surprise for those who know and love him: who was HAL9000 ? |
| 22:45.26 | AStorm | ok, i installed adv-backlight - now where is it? |
| 22:45.43 | cyberholic | AStorm: check the bulb on top of your homescreen. |
| 22:45.57 | cyberholic | Wait, not one of you knows HAL??? |
| 22:46.02 | AStorm | mhm |
| 22:46.06 | AStorm | not a bulb |
| 22:46.21 | AStorm | and too many icons :P |
| 22:46.23 | cyberholic | sorry. no bulb... sun... there where you dim the backlight |
| 22:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | You have to enable it in Panel |
| 22:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | Control panel |
| 22:46.51 | GeneralAntilles | Disable Nokia's volume and backlight applets while you're there. |
| 22:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | What about HAL9000? |
| 22:47.12 | cyberholic | GeneralAntilles: you know him? Would you love to have him on your n800? |
| 22:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Not particularly |
| 22:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather not have my N800 disobey and try to kill me. |
| 22:47.36 | cyberholic | ok *lol* |
| 22:48.03 | AStorm | niiice |
| 22:48.09 | AStorm | now one icon less |
| 22:48.15 | lcuk_2 | Arthur C Clarke dead :( |
| 22:48.16 | AStorm | :D |
| 22:48.28 | AStorm | it suppports volume control too |
| 22:48.40 | cyberholic | General: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog .... it even speaks to you *lol* |
| 22:49.54 | Jaffa | Does it sing Daisy Daisy when the screen blank timeout hits? |
| 22:50.26 | cyberholic | *looooooooool* .... no... not yet. |
| 22:50.34 | AStorm | i recon 0 backlight works in very sunny conditions? |
| 22:51.32 | Jaffa | beds |
| 22:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, AStorm. |
| 22:52.26 | lcuk_2 | what about in the dark with a pair of red leds? |
| 22:52.27 | AStorm | more battery savings, yay |
| 22:52.47 | lcuk_2 | can you get enough reflection out of it totally off and back into your eyes? |
| 22:52.47 | AStorm | does it still obey the light sensor? |
| 22:52.57 | lcuk_2 | i have a sticker over my sensor |
| 22:53.17 | sp3000 | I for one welcome our new light sensor overlords |
| 22:53.32 | AStorm | hehe, that blinds it, no more light in medium conditions |
| 22:53.36 | lcuk_2 | well it works backwards and with about 10 second lag - its annoying as feck |
| 22:53.51 | AStorm | in high light the backlight is disabled, so yes |
| 22:54.08 | AStorm | (at least on low level) |
| 22:54.20 | AStorm | and it's still readable |
| 22:54.32 | *** join/#maemo Peikko (n=les@cpe-24-29-58-219.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:54.34 | lcuk_2 | plus i am left handed so my wrist usually covers it (i rest in that corner with stylus |
| 22:54.47 | AStorm | hehe |
| 22:55.13 | AStorm | i rest on bottom left one |
| 22:55.41 | lcuk_2 | then to do anything my hand obscures the view - its not the best design for lefties |
| 22:55.58 | AStorm | iti is good enough |
| 22:56.16 | AStorm | just move tghe hand to he left some more |
| 22:56.30 | lcuk_2 | i kinda keep it out of the way from above - web scrolling is only useful cos i can aim in the left border but anything requiring actual scroll bar is awful |
| 22:56.48 | *** join/#maemo lubyou (n=lubyou@dslb-088-070-009-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:57.01 | AStorm | for trhat,rest son bottom |
| 22:57.22 | AStorm | *on, that |
| 22:57.29 | lcuk_2 | then it feels like i am dropping it |
| 22:57.33 | lcuk_2 | balance and all that |
| 22:58.04 | AStorm | nah, it rests on your hand |
| 22:58.27 | AStorm | use the stand as a handguard too |
| 22:58.46 | lcuk_2 | i tried that, its the wrong shape entirely |
| 22:58.48 | AStorm | (a bit rough, but ok) |
| 22:58.53 | lcuk_2 | anyway, for home use i went 1 better |
| 22:58.56 | AStorm | heh |
| 22:59.32 | AStorm | it only needs some plush |
| 22:59.35 | lcuk_2 | mobile and easy to grip or rest from any position http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg |
| 23:00.09 | lcuk_2 | it now feels like i am holding a book :) |
| 23:02.49 | AStorm | lol |
| 23:02.55 | ds3 | has adv-backlight been updated with large controls for finger tapping? |
| 23:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | No, they're stock GTK widgets. |
| 23:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | Change them yourself if it's really something you need. :P |
| 23:03.37 | AStorm | quite bulky |
| 23:03.41 | ds3 | sure, it'll go on the end of the todo list |
| 23:04.21 | *** join/#maemo astro76 (n=jtaji@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 23:04.39 | *** join/#maemo Navi (n=Administ@ppp-70-244-81-68.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:05.17 | AStorm | ds3, they're still the default size |
| 23:05.52 | BabelO | hello |
| 23:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | They're plenty fingerable |
| 23:06.05 | GeneralAntilles | Just tap one end and slide to the end you want. |
| 23:06.11 | AStorm | hello |
| 23:06.18 | lcuk_2 | but they are tiny |
| 23:06.35 | Navi | Haha, innuendo |
| 23:06.45 | AStorm | but tappable |
| 23:06.52 | lcuk_2 | i have a fat finger and a whole screen available - for the love of anything why cant we have control elements which are visible from orbit? |
| 23:06.58 | BabelO | short question, i ve a htc artemis and n800, i activate serial service on n800, just setup the /etc/bluetooth serial.services, how can i connect n800 to artemis gps over bt ? :) |
| 23:07.19 | BabelO | i already have gps2blue |
| 23:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, it's a GTK thing, not really an adv-backlight thing. :P |
| 23:07.39 | AStorm | lcuk_2, well, why not |
| 23:08.00 | lcuk_2 | of course its a adv-back thing, ive wrote a window with a grid of 9 buttons - it fills the screen and makes me happy |
| 23:08.12 | lcuk_2 | because its easy to press |
| 23:08.22 | AStorm | yeah, theme scaling |
| 23:08.25 | lcuk_2 | i could have chosen to make the same thing with 9 default sized buttons |
| 23:08.31 | lcuk_2 | but that would suck |
| 23:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, if it bothers you so much, fix it. :P |
| 23:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | Not like it's closed source. |
| 23:09.15 | lcuk_2 | i am using the stock one which is actually easier at the moment |
| 23:09.43 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, the code's there, the tools are there. |
| 23:10.11 | AStorm | ya, just code |
| 23:10.15 | lcuk_2 | but why have 2 different attempts |
| 23:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | Submit a patch |
| 23:10.30 | AStorm | the better one will prevail |
| 23:10.36 | Navi | make it an option, submit a patch, and hope it gets merged? |
| 23:10.40 | *** join/#maemo christefano (n=christef@pool-68-239-44-155.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's not like the author is hard to get ahold of or unreceptive. |
| 23:11.18 | lcuk_2 | sounds reasonable navi :) |
| 23:11.22 | pupnik | My loony bun is fine Benny Lava! |
| 23:11.25 | lcuk_2 | knows this |
| 23:12.13 | lcuk_2 | linky to source? ill have a blast at it and see if i can give us something finger friendly to go along with the current interface |
| 23:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/adv-backlight/ |
| 23:12.41 | lcuk_2 | ta :) |
| 23:12.42 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw indian music video with subtitles totally offtopic. sfw |
| 23:12.47 | AStorm | whee, more options! |
| 23:12.57 | BabelO | second question is easy, i ve maemo sdk tablet, but everything is grey, only networking / mass storage choice, and i can only switch from mass to network, is it normal ? |
| 23:12.59 | lcuk_2 | why options? |
| 23:13.05 | AStorm | pupnik, yuck ;P |
| 23:13.09 | lcuk_2 | i wont be removing the current interface? |
| 23:13.34 | AStorm | lcuk_2, I meant options as in options |
| 23:13.41 | AStorm | not new packages |
| 23:14.59 | dougt_ | is anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in their scratchbox (not sb2) |
| 23:15.30 | AStorm | i'd love to :) |
| 23:17.07 | BabelO | hmm ok back to kernel develop , it is more easier than gtk stuff |
| 23:17.52 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 23:20.57 | AStorm | lol |
| 23:21.16 | AStorm | no, you just don't get glib |
| 23:21.28 | BabelO | lol |
| 23:21.50 | *** join/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 23:22.04 | BabelO | AStorm: but it is C and ARM register with simple operation ;) |
| 23:22.10 | Raytray | I suppose GeneralAntilles is getting sick of me, so I'll ask here. :D -- How would I get bash to be default shell? |
| 23:22.32 | AStorm | BabelO, hehe |
| 23:23.33 | Navi | Raytray, there's a tutorial on how to do it on the ITT forums, I think |
| 23:23.35 | Navi | let me look |
| 23:23.37 | AStorm | Raytray, just chsh |
| 23:23.58 | AStorm | might work |
| 23:24.02 | Raytray | thanks |
| 23:24.14 | AStorm | if nit, edit /etc/passwd by hand |
| 23:24.32 | AStorm | for new useers, check /etc/defaults |
| 23:24.33 | Navi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613 |
| 23:32.28 | *** join/#maemo BabelO_ (n=Fabrice@lun34-2-82-238-28-28.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:32.44 | pupnik | did anyone ever figure out if the larger sdhc cards consume more power ? |
| 23:32.57 | pupnik | or is that irrelevant |
| 23:34.09 | AStorm | blah... |
| 23:34.26 | AStorm | "unable to uninstall tetex-base" |
| 23:34.37 | AStorm | time to use apt |
| 23:34.46 | pupnik | tetex was a headache |
| 23:35.03 | AStorm | yup |
| 23:36.44 | AStorm | how do i get rid of it? (installed it earlier) |
| 23:36.52 | *** join/#maemo MishaS (i=MishaS@a91-154-120-151.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 23:37.08 | AStorm | i'm not that good at debian yet |
| 23:38.14 | *** part/#maemo Raytray (n=raytray@unaffiliated/raytray) |
| 23:39.20 | *** join/#maemo dougt (n=dougt@c-69-181-4-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:39.43 | *** join/#maemo rm_you_ (n=rm_you@131.194.224.22) |
| 23:46.56 | ds3 | it isn't just the size, it is the spacing of the buttons |
| 23:47.11 | ds3 | but point is taken, if i want it that way I can change it |
| 23:53.45 | AStorm | hmm |
| 23:54.05 | AStorm | i could use some lighter variant of canola |
| 23:54.18 | AStorm | as the cpu struggles on ogg |
| 23:54.33 | AStorm | and something trayable |
| 23:55.29 | AStorm | yay, smooth jazz after midnight ;) |
| 23:57.20 | *** join/#maemo trac3r (n=sm00th@91.195.111.236) |
| 23:59.24 | AStorm | ogg@128kbps + gfx = stutter |
