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| 00:00.54 | pupnik | btw cyberholic did you own a commodore amiga? |
| 00:01.29 | cyberholic | nope, i had the one before the commodore64 |
| 00:01.30 | pupnik | we should have a nice emulator, 'soon' |
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| 00:02.33 | pupnik | wow i forgot about that machine |
| 00:03.40 | cyberholic | :) |
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| 00:03.58 | cyberholic | I even had the datasette and my first game on it was Green Beret. It took about 20 Minutes to load :) |
| 00:04.22 | jott | reminds me that i wanted to port a cpc emulator for the ITs :) |
| 00:05.08 | pupnik | when i translated my resume to german, 'commodore pet' turned into 'flottenadmiral streicher' |
| 00:05.19 | cyberholic | loooooooooooooool |
| 00:05.20 | pupnik | (no kidding) |
| 00:05.35 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 00:05.42 | Tama^2 | _._ |
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| 00:07.57 | jott | pupnik: hehe :) |
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| 00:11.23 | pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/Commodore-PET-Series-3032-Model-2001-32-N-220-Volt_W0QQitemZ260218033051QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3544QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem there's one for sale in Koeln |
| 00:13.30 | pupnik | man, i'd love to get his Apple ][ |
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| 00:17.06 | jott | woe already at 158 euro.. quite alot ;) |
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| 00:18.09 | pupnik | that's ok, i'll have the emulator sound fixed soon, i hope |
| 00:18.34 | pupnik | i really must learn how to wait for vsync |
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| 00:22.29 | pupnik | http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif Cat playing with N810 :) |
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| 00:27.20 | jott | pupnik: spaceball.gif is just a placeholder to prevent image theft :) |
| 00:27.25 | pupnik | oh sorry |
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| 00:29.21 | pupnik | http://tabletblog.com/2008/03/n810-native-usb-host.html Konttori made a usb host mode control application -- nice |
| 00:29.32 | jott | pupnik: http://www.ghacks.net/2007/09/29/how-to-avoid-saving-spaceballgif-at-flickr/ hmm :) |
| 00:30.00 | pupnik | i lost the link - it was thoughtfix's cat staring intently at a n810 lying on the floor |
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| 00:45.23 | cyberholic | 0 |
| 00:48.57 | johnx | 1? |
| 00:51.44 | johnx | pupnik, it's up on planet.maemo.org if you're still looking for it... |
| 00:52.37 | pupnik | just ran through that blog. found it amusing how the universality of the tablet devices means i'm completely uninterested in what they're doing (and probably vice-versa) |
| 00:53.26 | pupnik | http://ufo2000.sourceforge.net/files/ btw jott some more low level stuff in case you didn't see it |
| 00:54.53 | pupnik | (old stuff) |
| 00:59.06 | cyberholic | pupnik..... i made two new clocks :) |
| 00:59.35 | shackan | pupnik: are there any playable 3d games for the tablets? (no, q2 doesn't count as playable on an n800 :( ) |
| 00:59.39 | cyberholic | jesus..... i am up since 8:30 yesterday and now it is 2 AM aaaaaand... the birds are singing...that birdy must be drunken! |
| 01:00.02 | cyberholic | shackan: wasnt there doom? |
| 01:00.17 | shackan | same as q2 |
| 01:00.21 | cyberholic | :) |
| 01:00.37 | cyberholic | Giana Siters 3D !? |
| 01:00.41 | shackan | ? |
| 01:00.47 | cyberholic | just kidding |
| 01:01.03 | cyberholic | Giana Sisters were the lesbian friends of the gay Mario Bros. |
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| 01:02.05 | pupnik | yes 3d: duke nukem, shadow warrior, warzone2100 |
| 01:02.23 | cyberholic | Watchawaiddin for? |
| 01:02.30 | shackan | shadow what? |
| 01:02.48 | shackan | googling |
| 01:03.38 | pupnik | i'm trying to get an optimized build of NoGravity for N8x0 finished here |
| 01:03.43 | pupnik | in case anybody wants to help |
| 01:03.59 | pupnik | 3d space combat (wing commander-like) |
| 01:04.39 | shackan | YES YES YES ! |
| 01:04.47 | shackan | that's what I'm looking for |
| 01:04.57 | shackan | no first person shooters :P |
| 01:05.02 | cyberholic | hey pupnik: i will a lot of work within the next weeks, but if you want me to do any kind of logos or pre-designs just get in contact with me at endorphinum@googlemail.com |
| 01:05.08 | pupnik | it's very fast for most levels. but the space stations draw far too slow |
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| 01:05.22 | pupnik | ok - good luck with your project cyberholic |
| 01:06.01 | cyberholic | thnx... c ya.... ill write a mail to the maemo users-list and then go to bed.... |
| 01:06.12 | shackan | pupnik: ooh, the screenshots look good |
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| 01:06.47 | shackan | pupnik: is there anything like wipeout out there in the open world ? |
| 01:06.54 | shackan | I never found anything good |
| 01:07.05 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nogravity/ if you want to try the first build by Sergio feel free |
| 01:07.39 | shackan | I surely will! |
| 01:07.48 | shackan | as soon as I go to bed and grab the n800 :D |
| 01:07.55 | pupnik | on what system did you play wipeout? |
| 01:08.35 | shackan | actually, I never played wipeout, never had it and never played much games in general |
| 01:09.07 | shackan | but, I saw it on tv and it looked like great fun |
| 01:09.22 | jott | i played wipeout on ps1.. :) |
| 01:09.36 | shackan | yeah it's very old (the first one at least) |
| 01:10.32 | jott | http://ecksdee.sf.net/ now we just need 3d drivers ;) |
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| 01:11.36 | shackan | jott: I tried ecks |
| 01:11.40 | shackan | it's a monster |
| 01:11.56 | shackan | it's written using the python bindings to crystalspace |
| 01:12.04 | jott | yieks :O |
| 01:12.07 | shackan | awful and painfully slow |
| 01:12.35 | shackan | doesn't even run on my not-so-shiny laptop |
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| 01:32.41 | pupnik | /usr/lib/libpthread.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 01:32.46 | pupnik | how did i broke this? |
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| 01:42.45 | pupnik | /usr/lib/libpthread.a(unwind.o): In function `unwind_stop': undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetCFA' |
| 01:42.48 | pupnik | heh |
| 01:47.23 | unique311 | pupnik How are you going about placing oncreen buttons for that port? |
| 01:47.37 | pupnik | they're placed, not active though |
| 01:53.00 | unique311 | where is the documentation on how to do this? |
| 01:53.02 | unique311 | if there's any |
| 01:58.11 | pupnik | on how to add onscreen buttons to an sdl app? |
| 01:59.16 | disq | got my n810 few days ago (finally) and started working on keyboard support in kagu |
| 01:59.28 | pupnik | \p/ |
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| 02:00.08 | pupnik | disq: is kagu sdl? |
| 02:00.28 | disq | yeah but pygame |
| 02:00.30 | unique311 | pupnik, yes |
| 02:00.44 | unique311 | to buttons to an sdl app |
| 02:01.37 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz is probably the simplest app you'll find with onscreen buttons (source) |
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| 02:43.30 | cheesebob | Is iwconfig available for OS2008? |
| 02:43.55 | texel | Yes. Look for wireless-tools. |
| 02:48.38 | pupnik | lol "rails -> ." |
| 02:48.58 | texel | Well. That sucked. Guess I have to reinstall Debian because it stuck me on the amd64 track and I can't use scratchbox with that, apparently. O.o |
| 02:49.03 | texel | Eh? |
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| 02:49.31 | pupnik | never saw someone symlink like that before |
| 02:49.45 | texel | Yeah. |
| 02:49.59 | texel | Thank Rails' broken concept of demand/cache-loading of classes for that one. =o( |
| 02:51.10 | texel | ...and I've chased that particular weirdness down many, many times before. |
| 02:51.16 | shackan | eww |
| 02:51.56 | Tama^2 | never an ORM was so overrated xD |
| 02:52.05 | texel | Heh |
| 02:52.07 | texel | Agreed. |
| 02:52.12 | texel | Too much magic there. |
| 02:56.48 | Brains | Did somebody just say that scratchbox was a no-go on amd64? |
| 02:57.05 | texel | Yep. |
| 02:57.07 | texel | I did. |
| 02:57.09 | texel | Just tried it. |
| 02:57.34 | texel | The only binaries they provide in the apt repo are i386. |
| 02:57.44 | texel | apt-get on amd64 debian only fetches i386. |
| 02:57.56 | texel | err... s/i386/amd64/ |
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| 02:58.53 | texel | Nice nick, btw. =o) |
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| 03:00.52 | texel | Heh |
| 03:01.08 | texel | That's pretty cool. =o) |
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| 03:14.40 | pupnik | wish our busybox had a real history |
| 03:14.48 | pupnik | !scp |
| 03:14.49 | pupnik | etc |
| 03:17.17 | pupnik | New emu 'port': Stella atari 2600 emulator. http://pupnik.de/stella_2.4.1-1_armel.deb (compiled only for N8x0) |
| 03:17.57 | Navi | yay |
| 03:18.08 | Navi | now I can play pitfall nonstop |
| 03:18.16 | pupnik | it's kind of wack |
| 03:18.26 | pupnik | i mean... seeing those things again |
| 03:18.50 | pupnik | you might want to map controls (optins: input) |
| 03:19.35 | pupnik | i have fullscreen-> firebutton 1, menu -> firebutton2, (-) select difficulty, (+) start, (esc) abort |
| 03:20.19 | Navi | Can you set it to keyboard crap? |
| 03:20.40 | pupnik | you can have multiple bindings defined if you have n810 or bt keyboard |
| 03:21.03 | Navi | I was just planning on pairing up my wiimote, as I carry that around a lot |
| 03:21.23 | pupnik | that would be fun to get working with emus/games |
| 03:22.40 | Navi | I don't care that it has motion sensing crap when playing emus, just that it's the smallest wireless joypad available to me |
| 03:23.25 | pupnik | so the driver for it will make it emulate a keyboard? |
| 03:23.37 | pupnik | that way you could use it without patching any games/emus |
| 03:24.14 | Navi | not really a driver, cwiid just interprets data sent from the wiimote over bluetooth and you can output it any way you want it through using plugins |
| 03:24.28 | Navi | joypad, keyboard, mouse, etc |
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| 03:25.18 | pupnik | you've tried it? |
| 03:25.51 | Navi | only on the PC |
| 03:26.08 | Navi | haven't had the motivation to do so on the tablets |
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| 03:47.21 | procto | dragorn: are there any beta packages of kismet for os2008 out there? |
| 03:47.28 | shackan | pupnik: nogravity doesn't even start |
| 03:47.44 | shackan | (and the deb is from 2006, so it was expected) |
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| 03:50.30 | cheesebob | is there any chance that an injection capable driver will become available for the wifi chipset? |
| 03:50.53 | pupnik | shackan: really? what tablet do you have? |
| 03:51.10 | shackan | n800 |
| 03:51.33 | pupnik | did you install the game data? |
| 03:51.46 | shackan | mm, just the deb |
| 03:52.03 | procto | cheesebob: just about nill |
| 03:52.04 | pupnik | ah it needs the game data from the nogravity homepage |
| 03:52.11 | shackan | uh |
| 03:52.20 | shackan | damn I just turned it off :\ |
| 03:52.30 | procto | cheesebob: i've looked into it, asked the maintainer, and asked what dragorn thinks about it |
| 03:52.44 | cheesebob | procto, what if someone was to ninja the abstraction layer specifications |
| 03:53.35 | pupnik | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131322&package_id=144311 Nogravity data is also available from the sourceforge site |
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| 03:54.30 | shackan | pupnik: ugh, 33Mb :\ |
| 03:54.41 | procto | cheesebob: if that was the case, and someone matched my regular job's salary for 2 weeks over the summer |
| 03:54.42 | pupnik | it goes onto mmc |
| 03:54.48 | shackan | which one^ |
| 03:54.49 | shackan | ? |
| 03:54.52 | procto | cheesebob: we could have one then |
| 03:55.16 | pupnik | /media/mmc1/nogravity afaik |
| 03:55.37 | shackan | that's the external one, right? |
| 03:55.40 | cheesebob | procto, what's your regular salaray for two weeks, roughly |
| 03:56.08 | procto | around 4k USD |
| 03:56.16 | shackan | wow |
| 03:56.39 | procto | before tax :> |
| 03:56.55 | procto | but as a student i only work full time oven the summer |
| 03:57.02 | procto | over the summer |
| 03:57.12 | procto | so don't bother multiplying that by 25 :> |
| 03:57.28 | shackan | still, that's freaking good money for a student |
| 03:57.47 | procto | I like to think I'm worth it |
| 03:57.49 | shackan | I won't make anything near that even after I graduate |
| 03:58.45 | cheesebob | 8 grand a month is fairly good |
| 03:58.51 | shackan | indeed |
| 03:59.08 | cheesebob | shackan, major? |
| 03:59.21 | shackan | computer engineering |
| 03:59.22 | cheesebob | procto, what do you specialize in |
| 03:59.29 | cheesebob | now im just ineterested |
| 04:00.04 | pupnik | If you're in the USA and not increasing salary by 12% P.A. in 2007/2008, you're losing real wages |
| 04:00.10 | cheesebob | oh question is there a replacement for the default map software that is better and free? |
| 04:00.13 | shackan | I'm not in usa |
| 04:00.30 | shackan | and engineers here make less than $1500/mo |
| 04:00.38 | cheesebob | pupnik, 12% will be chump change for the next few years |
| 04:00.48 | cheesebob | wait 4 months and buy property |
| 04:00.54 | cheesebob | it'll be at a decade low |
| 04:01.11 | cheesebob | shackan, most engineers here make that too |
| 04:01.40 | cheesebob | just the smart ones that done |
| 04:01.40 | cheesebob | dont* |
| 04:01.40 | pupnik | either that or dry goods, water, fuel and ammo :) |
| 04:01.43 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 04:01.52 | shackan | cheesebob: well, I know people with masters and hons., and don't make more than that |
| 04:01.56 | cheesebob | heh |
| 04:02.17 | shackan | (of course that isn't a measure of 'smart' in any way) |
| 04:02.29 | cheesebob | there are relatively few trully skilled engineers in the united states |
| 04:02.37 | cheesebob | the vast majority are capable |
| 04:02.49 | cheesebob | but do not deserve the amount they demand |
| 04:02.54 | cheesebob | so they get less :P |
| 04:02.58 | cheesebob | <3 capitalism |
| 04:03.00 | shackan | fair enough |
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| 04:03.49 | cheesebob | wait so is there a replacement for the map software for the n810 that is either better and/or free |
| 04:03.51 | cheesebob | ? |
| 04:04.07 | KotCzarny | maemo-mapper |
| 04:04.18 | KotCzarny | the one and only you will need |
| 04:04.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:04.47 | cheesebob | epic win :D |
| 04:05.04 | shackan | KotCzarny: heh, but it only works with an internet connection |
| 04:05.15 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 04:05.19 | shackan | uh? |
| 04:05.20 | KotCzarny | you can 'preload' maps |
| 04:05.26 | shackan | from google? |
| 04:05.28 | KotCzarny | there's an option for that |
| 04:05.34 | KotCzarny | from google or other sources |
| 04:05.34 | cheesebob | much better ue of the screen realestate |
| 04:05.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:05.43 | shackan | wow, epic win then |
| 04:06.01 | KotCzarny | though google satellite barfs sometimes |
| 04:06.11 | KotCzarny | probably anti-leech scripts |
| 04:06.23 | KotCzarny | but ve satellite works nicely |
| 04:06.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:06.27 | pupnik | does maemo-mapper data take up much more space than wayfinder |
| 04:06.50 | KotCzarny | 701.1M Maps |
| 04:06.53 | cheesebob | yeha i notice that maps.google.com gets slower the more you use it, even if you reload the page or restart the browser |
| 04:06.57 | KotCzarny | and it's only poland and nyc |
| 04:06.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:07.19 | cheesebob | that's a good chunk of space there |
| 04:07.20 | KotCzarny | well, and world at zooms 16-20 |
| 04:07.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 04:08.39 | KotCzarny | 2mb when gtk1 libs compiled statically in ;) |
| 04:09.49 | cheesebob | so lets see here the hardware abstraction layers specification is probably in the hands of stmicroelectronics |
| 04:09.56 | pupnik | btw KotCzarny if you want to try an alternative to OSS for uae.. here's a brief explanation + examples of sdl_mixer |
| 04:10.16 | pupnik | http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Common_libs_documentation/SDL/SDL_Documentation_project_en/guideaudioexamples.html |
| 04:10.42 | KotCzarny | pupnik: thx, i'll look at it later |
| 04:10.58 | cheesebob | and since their r&d center is in california they almost definitely have stored the plans at a document storage service |
| 04:11.06 | pupnik | bleh i was useless today |
| 04:11.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:11.12 | cheesebob | there isn't enough room in any california office building to keep them |
| 04:11.29 | cheesebob | which probably means Iron Mountain document retention services |
| 04:11.41 | cheesebob | which is actualyl totally ninja able |
| 04:12.50 | cheesebob | http://www.st.com/stonline/address/mfg/carrollton.pdf |
| 04:13.00 | cheesebob | except their fab plant is in texas |
| 04:14.14 | cheesebob | lawl with enough persistence i bet i could find the specifications for real |
| 04:14.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:15.53 | cheesebob | what's delawares state code? |
| 04:16.17 | cheesebob | mehnvm |
| 04:18.34 | cheesebob | i could but id get caught and butt raped |
| 04:18.49 | cheesebob | and i like mine the way it is |
| 04:18.49 | texel | cheesebob: what on earth are you talking about? O.o |
| 04:18.57 | cheesebob | texel, shhh |
| 04:19.35 | cheesebob | you shoul dbe |
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| 04:20.29 | shackan | st makes R&D in california ?? |
| 04:20.36 | shackan | I tought it was all in france |
| 04:20.48 | Tama^2 | stm had r&d all over the place |
| 04:20.50 | cheesebob | all over the world |
| 04:20.53 | shackan | cool |
| 04:21.06 | Tama^2 | I worked for them in Milan |
| 04:21.09 | shackan | I might intern at st in may |
| 04:21.16 | shackan | (unpaid, of course :( ) |
| 04:21.22 | cheesebob | steal the specs :D |
| 04:21.29 | Tama^2 | shackan: where, in france? |
| 04:21.33 | shackan | italy |
| 04:21.38 | Tama^2 | Agrate |
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| 04:21.39 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 04:21.42 | shackan | nope |
| 04:21.49 | shackan | Arzano |
| 04:21.53 | cheesebob | hmm |
| 04:22.02 | cheesebob | there headquarters in in switzerland |
| 04:22.06 | shackan | I know |
| 04:22.11 | cheesebob | vaginas are using swiss lawl to hide... |
| 04:22.27 | cheesebob | sorry shouldnt use that language |
| 04:22.29 | shackan | guess it's cheaper |
| 04:22.32 | Tama^2 | shackan: unpaid? |
| 04:22.35 | Tama^2 | arrgh |
| 04:22.38 | shackan | heh |
| 04:22.43 | Tama^2 | poor italian engineer? |
| 04:22.54 | shackan | indeed |
| 04:23.10 | Tama^2 | I understand you, I ran away from Italy ;) |
| 04:23.20 | shackan | I'm going to |
| 04:23.33 | shackan | I assume you're.. italian ? |
| 04:23.42 | cheesebob | http://www.st.com/stonline/address/mfg/photo/crolle.jpg |
| 04:23.46 | cheesebob | what the hell |
| 04:23.48 | cheesebob | that's awesome |
| 04:24.01 | Tama^2 | err, yes. was born there |
| 04:24.06 | Tama^2 | some time ago xD |
| 04:24.12 | shackan | awesome |
| 04:24.35 | Tama^2 | I got my second passport in the mail today, lol |
| 04:24.38 | cheesebob | shackan, remember to ask them were they keep all their secret documents :P |
| 04:25.04 | Tama^2 | that building has to taken down, the view would be much better |
| 04:25.12 | shackan | cheesebob: well, I'll be working for free so it's not like they can fire me or something if I ask... :D |
| 04:25.26 | shackan | Tama^2: and you're in NEW ZEALAND ?? |
| 04:25.32 | Tama^2 | yes |
| 04:25.43 | shackan | doing what if I may ask? |
| 04:25.48 | cheesebob | find someone who would know who probably will tell you |
| 04:26.00 | Tama^2 | living ;) |
| 04:26.10 | shackan | Tama^2: heh, ok :P |
| 04:26.10 | cheesebob | find the guy who is getting kind of old but isn't a grump and let him prove he's still cool |
| 04:26.12 | cheesebob | :D |
| 04:26.29 | shackan | cheesebob: fuck that, I want the hawt segretaries |
| 04:26.44 | cheesebob | secretaries dont know shit |
| 04:26.53 | cheesebob | never do |
| 04:26.56 | cheesebob | always think they do |
| 04:26.57 | shackan | anyway |
| 04:27.15 | shackan | Tama^2: why did you leave? |
| 04:27.21 | cheesebob | "mr wilsons fucking the secretary!", well duh she knows that one |
| 04:28.24 | Tama^2 | came here on holiday and ended up staying for a while |
| 04:29.15 | shackan | wow |
| 04:29.19 | shackan | I wish I could do that |
| 04:32.22 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 04:34.42 | shackan | anyway, looks like it's 14 over there, which means almost 6am here |
| 04:34.45 | shackan | gotta go |
| 04:35.04 | shackan | 'night! |
| 04:35.46 | Tama^2 | it's 17.35 here now |
| 04:35.53 | Tama^2 | see ya |
| 04:42.09 | pupnik | heh, these old atari 2600 games cost about $80 each in 2008 real dollars |
| 04:42.54 | KotCzarny | considering inflation, it's cheap |
| 04:42.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:44.47 | pupnik | no $80 is a lot for a crappy little game |
| 04:45.52 | pupnik | they were 4096 byte games |
| 04:47.08 | Tama^2 | their value is in being old and crappy little games ;) |
| 04:48.37 | KotCzarny | anyone knows how to setup volume? |
| 04:49.00 | KotCzarny | ie. setting it from status bar applet doesn't get it to 'loud' |
| 04:49.12 | KotCzarny | so i presume there's another know somewhere |
| 04:49.39 | tank-man | in the app that is playing sound |
| 04:49.43 | pupnik | i find that internal media player is very quiet |
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| 04:54.38 | KotCzarny | Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. |
| 04:54.48 | KotCzarny | let's try hispeed sd mode |
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| 05:13.32 | pupnik | how is speed with dd KotCzarny ? |
| 05:13.54 | KotCzarny | hdparm shows 5.15mb/s |
| 05:15.03 | KotCzarny | dd is consistent |
| 05:15.08 | KotCzarny | 100mb in 20.37s |
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| 05:17.44 | KotCzarny | maybe i should get fast card too |
| 05:17.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:19.22 | Tama^2 | isn't max speed 60MB/s anyway? |
| 05:19.29 | Tama^2 | ouch |
| 05:19.32 | Tama^2 | 6 not 60 |
| 05:19.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:20.15 | KotCzarny | i believe i have seen reports of ~15mb/s |
| 05:20.19 | Tama^2 | my class 6 SDHC did 6MB/s with the hi speed kernel |
| 05:20.20 | tank-man | thats class 6 sdhc, and i think thats the min rated speed |
| 05:20.37 | Tama^2 | mmm |
| 05:21.45 | Tama^2 | I will look up the tech info again, but AFAIK @50Mhz that is the maximum you can hope for |
| 05:22.07 | KotCzarny | at 1bit, yes |
| 05:22.14 | KotCzarny | at 4bit wide, x4 |
| 05:22.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:22.56 | KotCzarny | but you may be right |
| 05:23.13 | KotCzarny | pity i sold off my sandisk ultra ii |
| 05:37.23 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 05:37.28 | KotCzarny | internal flash got faster too |
| 05:37.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:07.33 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:36.59 | script | ccooke: bitlbee is a server-application ... consider it running somewhere else |
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| 10:13.46 | ccooke | script: Bitlbee is a very lightweight daemon - There are no barriers to running it directly on the tablet |
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| 10:17.35 | ccooke | (I have several places I can run bitlbee externally, yes, but I'm looking for the best way to manage a load of connections. Trying it on the device, directly, would have the least dependency on externals) |
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| 11:39.50 | aquatix | ccooke: isn't one ssh connection [with -c maybe even] to an irssi connected to bitlbee not lighter on connections as having bitlbee connect to [say] four IM networks? |
| 11:40.41 | ccooke | aquatix: But it relies on the remote box being up. |
| 11:40.46 | ccooke | It's more fragile. |
| 11:41.08 | ccooke | wheras bitlbee takes up about the same memory as that ssh connection. |
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| 11:43.19 | aquatix | yeah, but more traffic over your wifi |
| 11:43.26 | aquatix | or maybe gprs |
| 11:43.35 | aquatix | and why wouldn't that remote box be up? |
| 11:43.37 | aquatix | :) |
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| 11:43.56 | aquatix | [depends on whether it's yours, if you leave it on and such] |
| 11:44.02 | ccooke | no more traffic than if you were using the protocols *anyway* |
| 11:44.11 | aquatix | oh? |
| 11:44.27 | ccooke | os2008 already has IM support built-in |
| 11:44.29 | aquatix | i think that ssh [with -c even] takes less traffic than all those control packages from the IM networks |
| 11:44.32 | aquatix | i know |
| 11:44.35 | aquatix | using it myself |
| 11:44.39 | aquatix | upgraded it even |
| 11:44.54 | ccooke | right. So I'm saying that [bitlbee] is comparable to [os2008's IM transports] |
| 11:45.01 | glass | aquatix: irssi over ssh takes quite a bit though |
| 11:45.04 | ccooke | in terms of network use. |
| 11:45.10 | glass | so many screen rewrites |
| 11:45.29 | aquatix | ccooke: ah, right |
| 11:45.39 | aquatix | but i was comparing it to irssi over ssh |
| 11:45.39 | ccooke | glass: which is why what I want is irssi, running inside a screen on the n8x0, talking to a local bitlbee. |
| 11:45.46 | aquatix | glass: myeah, that might be true indeed |
| 11:45.59 | aquatix | ccooke: sounds sane at itself |
| 11:45.59 | ccooke | With plugins for irssi that give it the same access to the LEDs and GUI as the built-in IM stuff |
| 11:46.04 | aquatix | was just thinking along ;) |
| 11:46.10 | aquatix | ccooke: hmmm :) |
| 11:46.17 | glass | aquatix: use irssi over ssh over gprs and it becomes obvious |
| 11:46.26 | aquatix | glass: i know |
| 11:46.28 | aquatix | i tried ;) |
| 11:46.41 | aquatix | but ssh over gprs is quite bad in general |
| 11:47.02 | aquatix | ccooke: you might even use an irssi on a remote box as proxy |
| 11:47.17 | ccooke | aquatix: I want to reduce the reliance on remote boxes |
| 11:47.18 | aquatix | and connect your irssi on n8x0 to that instance |
| 11:47.22 | aquatix | ah yeah, sorry |
| 11:47.27 | ccooke | some networks I use are blocked |
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| 11:47.47 | aquatix | yeah, but you only have to connect to that one box then |
| 11:48.05 | aquatix | and from that one you can use whatever irc or bitlbee-supported IM network you want |
| 11:48.09 | ccooke | (as it happens, I *do* have three or four 24/7 servers I can use, two of which allow IRC/IM in their T&Cs, but I don't want to assume that a) they're up or b) the network I'm on will allow port 22) |
| 11:48.27 | aquatix | well |
| 11:48.44 | aquatix | if that network doesn't allow port 22, why would it allow random IM ports? |
| 11:48.53 | aquatix | just playing devil's advocate :) |
| 11:49.04 | aquatix | you might even run sshd behind port 443 |
| 11:49.16 | johnx | I run it on a random high port :) |
| 11:49.22 | inz | Hrm, building bitlbee is the easy part |
| 11:49.29 | inz | But it requires inetd... |
| 11:49.44 | johnx | when I used comcast cable I had continuous traffic from people trying random passwords until I switched it... |
| 11:49.55 | ccooke | aquatix: I've been in places that allowed one IM network, but nothing else but 80/443. And unfortunately, I have valid secure certs on port 443 :-) |
| 11:50.48 | solmumaha | there used to be a patch to start it without inetd |
| 11:51.24 | ccooke | there are loads of ways to start a network daemon without inetd |
| 11:51.27 | aquatix | ccooke: `unfortunately' ;) |
| 11:51.42 | ccooke | aquatix: it's a fact of life. Live with it :-) |
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| 11:53.17 | rwhitby | there's nothing invalid about a well-managed self-signed certification authority. Just cause major browsers choose not to automatically trust it doesn't make it invalid. |
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| 11:56.12 | aquatix | rwhitby: indeed |
| 11:56.22 | ccooke | rwhitby: yes, but if it suddenly gets replaced with an ssh daemon, I get compalined at. That *would* be highly invalid! |
| 11:56.26 | aquatix | but it makes it a hassle if you want users to access those servers |
| 11:56.33 | ccooke | (or, when they caught me, I might be an invalid) |
| 11:56.36 | rwhitby | ccooke: agreed |
| 11:56.47 | aquatix | Fx 3 doesn't even show the page when it encounters an unknown authority |
| 11:56.54 | rwhitby | aquatix: depends whether your user base is closed or not |
| 11:56.55 | aquatix | but some large warning page |
| 11:56.59 | aquatix | rwhitby: true |
| 11:57.09 | aquatix | but mine are mainly open |
| 11:57.15 | aquatix | so then it's a problem ;) |
| 11:57.24 | rwhitby | true |
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| 11:59.50 | ynezz | there's that free openCA |
| 11:59.50 | aquatix | rwhitby: they have to certify the requesters identity! |
| 11:59.53 | aquatix | *cough* |
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| 12:00.30 | rwhitby | aquatix: yes, and they have to charge you to make sure you haven't changed your identity each and every year ... |
| 12:00.41 | aquatix | indeed :/ |
| 12:01.01 | johnx | "prove you're still the same person by giving us some money!" |
| 12:01.17 | aquatix | maybe i should set up a CA too |
| 12:07.28 | aquatix | was more thinking about the pay-me-money kind ;) |
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| 12:35.05 | Spakman | I'm having a problem reading mails sent from my server/client (postfix/Mutt) in Modest. Anyone know where I can start to debug the problem? |
| 12:35.26 | aquatix | are they empty and are you using pgp/mime? |
| 12:35.45 | Spakman | yep |
| 12:35.58 | aquatix | i have the same issue |
| 12:36.11 | aquatix | i think there's a bug about it on the maemo bugzilla |
| 12:36.21 | aquatix | not sure how to debug though |
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| 12:36.49 | Spakman | aquatix: thanks a lot - turbo response to something I expected to be alone with! |
| 12:37.07 | Spakman | I'll check the bug trakcer |
| 12:37.17 | Spakman | s/trakcer/tracker/ |
| 12:38.09 | aquatix | Spakman: fyi, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Communication&component=Modest&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emaila |
| 12:38.16 | aquatix | whoa |
| 12:38.26 | aquatix | that uri was longer than expected |
| 12:38.35 | Spakman | welcome to Bugzilla :) |
| 12:38.49 | aquatix | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2779 |
| 12:38.53 | aquatix | that's the bug |
| 12:39.11 | aquatix | please vote ;) |
| 12:40.06 | buddylee | speaking of bugs, I'm running into this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2119 but on the n810. Where can I find the source for the camera app to try to debug it myself? |
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| 12:41.12 | buddylee | pookie, might be time to bust out some strace |
| 12:41.28 | aquatix | Spakman: hm, even a duplicate at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3018 |
| 12:44.25 | Spakman | aquatix: voted :) |
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| 12:57.59 | morbec | Hello all ! Yesterday I installed the PyMaemo on sb but I can't import abook module inside python2.5 ... what I need to do to use the python-abook? |
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| 12:58.55 | lmoura | morbec, did you install python2.5-abook? it's outside python2.5-runtime meta-package |
| 13:00.26 | morbec | E: Couldn't find package python2.5-abook |
| 13:00.28 | morbec | :( |
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| 13:02.43 | buddylee | aaah, brilliant! my camera app won't load because of an EACCES error opening /dev/video0 |
| 13:02.46 | buddylee | strace ftw |
| 13:04.13 | morbec | lmoura, E: Couldn't find package python2.5-abook |
| 13:04.51 | lmoura | morbec, I forgot to say, it's currently unavailable for chinook =\ |
| 13:04.55 | buddylee | can someone with an n810 grep out the group file for me and tell me what groups 'user' is in by default? |
| 13:05.12 | buddylee | i think my group associations are boned |
| 13:05.20 | lmoura | there were big changes in the headers during bora->chinook migration and I still have to adapt those changes into the bindings |
| 13:05.47 | jaska_ | Nokia-N810-51-3:~# id user |
| 13:05.48 | jaska_ | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
| 13:05.57 | morbec | lmoura, ok ... is there a public svn ? |
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| 13:06.12 | jaska_ | funny.. id doesnt show groups |
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| 13:06.22 | X-Fade | buddylee: dialout,audio,video,users |
| 13:06.26 | jaska_ | dialout, audio, video, users |
| 13:06.28 | lmoura | morbec, for python2.5-abook? |
| 13:06.29 | buddylee | perfect, thx |
| 13:06.41 | morbec | lmoura, yes |
| 13:06.50 | lmoura | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=40 |
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| 13:06.51 | X-Fade | buddylee: Ehm not users, I grepped for user ;) |
| 13:06.57 | buddylee | righto |
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| 13:08.19 | buddylee | w00t, that did it |
| 13:08.25 | buddylee | wonder how my /etc/gruop file got hosed |
| 13:08.52 | LoCusF | jaska_: id does have some options but they seem to be unknown lol |
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| 13:19.31 | littleHelp | Just wondering if anybody would be kind enough to take a couple minutes out of there time and make me a developer cert from symbian signed. the day i got my new phone is the day symbian signed changed. i didnt have enough time to make a new cert for my imei. |
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| 13:21.15 | fasonte | hi |
| 13:21.43 | johnx | littleHelp, just so you know, this is primarily a channel that has to do with the Nokia Internet Tablets which use Maemo/Linux, not Symbian. no harm in asking of course. :) |
| 13:21.48 | johnx | fasonte, hello :) |
| 13:22.08 | littleHelp | oo sorry thanks |
| 13:22.15 | johnx | no problem |
| 13:22.15 | fasonte | johnx: yes, I know |
| 13:23.44 | johnx | fasonte, that wasn't directed at you... |
| 13:24.08 | fasonte | one question: I can't use my account jabber.com and 12jabber.com with telepathy |
| 13:24.55 | fasonte | but only jabber.org |
| 13:25.10 | fasonte | There is any howto? |
| 13:26.34 | johnx | looks like someone else might have had the same problem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12915&highlight=jabber.com |
| 13:27.09 | fasonte | johnx: thanks |
| 13:27.20 | johnx | also there's a bug for it on bugs.maemo.org |
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| 13:29.28 | fasonte | johnx: thanks again... so I need to wait ;-) |
| 13:29.58 | johnx | I suppose so, but I don't know much about jabber... |
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| 13:34.40 | johnx | wow! rotation in xomap is freaking awesome... |
| 13:34.46 | aquatix | ? |
| 13:34.50 | aquatix | how? |
| 13:35.00 | johnx | http://sse2.net/rotate/ :D |
| 13:35.12 | johnx | I guess I should take a screenshot |
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| 13:36.14 | aquatix | indeed! |
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| 13:36.32 | johnx | I really doubted that the apps would actually cope with 480x800 so well |
| 13:38.14 | johnx | heh, though the panel layout kinda sucks |
| 13:39.31 | Spakman | Anyone know of a nice way to let the user change the default application for a certain mime type? Without editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list, that is. |
| 13:39.35 | johnx | hang on, finding a screenshot tool... |
| 13:39.47 | aquatix | johnx: the system load applet |
| 13:39.55 | johnx | Spakman, look up "dbus switchboard" on itt |
| 13:40.12 | Spakman | johnx: on the case, thanks :) |
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| 13:46.49 | SDuensin | Morning. |
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| 13:50.43 | pupnik | dark colors on the tablets (all tfts?) are far too bright vs CRTs |
| 13:50.45 | pupnik | :( |
| 13:51.10 | johnx | dunno, I've had some pretty craptastic CRTs... |
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| 13:52.38 | johnx | aquatix, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/screenie-2.png |
| 13:52.50 | johnx | what other screenshots do you want to see? |
| 13:53.39 | shackan | johnx: wow, can xrandr be downloaded anywhere? |
| 13:54.12 | johnx | scroll back in the log by about 15 minutes :) |
| 13:54.24 | shackan | yay |
| 13:56.01 | aquatix | johnx: hah, cool |
| 13:56.08 | aquatix | nah, this is ok |
| 13:56.22 | aquatix | things are a tad out of proportion this way ;) |
| 13:57.35 | johnx | yeah, the browser looks great full screen |
| 13:57.52 | aquatix | full screen is nice indeed :) |
| 13:58.04 | aquatix | ooh, editing text fullscreen that way |
| 13:58.14 | aquatix | hm, nah, landscape is better with that |
| 13:58.16 | johnx | the keyboard is badly screwed up... |
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| 13:58.48 | johnx | the "minimize keyboard button" is off the screen to the right... |
| 13:59.17 | johnx | I don't know if it's my imagination, but scrolling definitely feels slower in microb... |
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| 14:00.43 | johnx | it really, really needs to have zoom -/+ remapped to page up/down |
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| 14:01.47 | aquatix | doing things in rotated mode generally is slower |
| 14:02.01 | aquatix | lcd processor isn't optimised that way and such |
| 14:02.10 | aquatix | same with my palm pda |
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| 14:03.15 | jaska_ | and subpixel rendering (if any) wont work |
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| 14:05.40 | johnx | at least it's actually *done* on the LCD controller in this case. I think it's done in software on the Cxx00 zaurus... |
| 14:06.09 | johnx | hmm...just got a random reboot on my N800 |
| 14:06.14 | hrw | johnx: cxx00 has it is software |
| 14:06.27 | hrw | johnx: c7x0 has rotation and scaling in hardware |
| 14:06.45 | johnx | aaah...sometimes I think I should have gone with a 760 instead of a 1000... |
| 14:07.08 | hrw | 760 is best for video (from zaurus line) |
| 14:07.19 | johnx | yeah, and slimmer |
| 14:07.22 | hrw | where 760 means 760 and 860 (which is 760 in other color case) |
| 14:07.55 | johnx | yup. ah, now that there's a new webkit-gtk I should submit my recipe for the latest midori |
| 14:08.08 | johnx | it's actually quite nice on my akita |
| 14:08.31 | hrw | 0.17 midori? |
| 14:08.42 | johnx | yes |
| 14:08.48 | hrw | it is in OE already |
| 14:08.48 | johnx | I actually built svn though |
| 14:08.50 | johnx | ah |
| 14:09.04 | johnx | well, nevermind then |
| 14:09.16 | johnx | guess I missed that in the logs O_o |
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| 14:22.38 | DaniloCesar | Is Xrandr ported to maemo? |
| 14:22.56 | johnx | errr...that depends on what you mean by that |
| 14:23.07 | johnx | you can rotate the display, but not all apps cope well with 480x800 |
| 14:23.28 | johnx | screenshot here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/screenie-2.png |
| 14:24.13 | DaniloCesar | johnx, I watched a video about canolla runing with xrandr..... |
| 14:24.41 | johnx | I'll test it here if you want, but I have no reason to doubt them |
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| 14:25.28 | johnx | yeah, looks nice |
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| 14:25.41 | johnx | scrolling seems a little slower, but that could be my imagination |
| 14:25.46 | DaniloCesar | johnx, in fullscreen apps, it seems to be very usefull... I was thinking about how to make a rotate-screen feature in my app, but now it will be easy! |
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| 14:26.08 | johnx | well, you still need to flash a custom kernel |
| 14:26.16 | johnx | some users might not be up to that |
| 14:26.27 | DaniloCesar | custom kernel?! hummmm....... |
| 14:26.54 | johnx | yeah, the reason this happened so quickly is that all the hard part is done on the LCD controller |
| 14:27.18 | DaniloCesar | It will be native some day? |
| 14:27.23 | johnx | no idea |
| 14:27.36 | johnx | Nokia is pretty silent about future software releases |
| 14:27.40 | DaniloCesar | any INdT guy here? |
| 14:28.26 | lopz | hi |
| 14:28.27 | trickie | ask vivijim |
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| 14:29.21 | DaniloCesar | vivijim, |
| 14:30.43 | solmumaha | anyone want to test fuse on os2008? i have compiled fuse, read/write ntfs-3g driver, sshfs and avfs |
| 14:31.18 | johnx | nice, I'd love to try it |
| 14:31.29 | solmumaha | ntfs could use some testing as it's a bit of hack |
| 14:31.42 | johnx | that's the one I can't really test, sorry :/ |
| 14:31.45 | johnx | is it in .debs or just a .tgz? |
| 14:31.45 | pupnik | in combination with usb host mode, then you could write to ntfs usb sticks ? |
| 14:32.01 | solmumaha | pupnik: yes, it automounts ntfs drives |
| 14:32.50 | vivijim | DaniloCesar: It is possible use the xrandr to rotate screen on Maemo... I can send you my kernel and Xomap.deb but there is a bug when switching on screen (after automatically switch off) |
| 14:33.05 | solmumaha | sshfs and avfs seem to work fine and avfs is very nice, you can cd into compressed archives and run stuff inside them without extracting |
| 14:33.18 | kaatis | solmumaha, cool. there's experimental fuse, sshfs and sbrsh with sshfs support in maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org repository. http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/target/ |
| 14:33.23 | solmumaha | you can ever run stuff from your memory cards if they are zipped |
| 14:33.39 | vivijim | DaniloCesar: when I have some free time I will try to fix it |
| 14:33.49 | DaniloCesar | vivijim, This feature'll be in next OS releases? |
| 14:33.51 | solmumaha | i only saw fuse for 2006 |
| 14:33.57 | vivijim | and then I'll publish the kernel and Xomap deb for chinook |
| 14:34.04 | kaatis | solmumaha, can you give me a pointer? |
| 14:34.08 | DaniloCesar | i mean, will be default... |
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| 14:34.57 | solmumaha | pm me for packages |
| 14:35.21 | vivijim | DaniloCesar: I have no idea... The LCD controler patch is already applied on linux-omap main tree but I don't know if Daniel Stone has already applied my patch to Xomap... |
| 14:36.34 | johnx | do you think better rotation support will be part of hildon/maemo at some point? |
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| 14:40.10 | DaniloCesar | vivijim, I was looking for geometrics tricks to rotate pygame screen when I found your post.... |
| 14:40.21 | DaniloCesar | vivijim, Your work with XrandR seems to be very promissive for maemo devices.... |
| 14:42.19 | pupnik | does the LCD controller refresh at a fixed hz? if so is it 51hz, 60hz? |
| 14:42.34 | vivijim | DaniloCesar: there are another ways to rotate but I believe this is the best way because it is on hardware... The LCD controller does the rotation itself |
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| 15:13.36 | b0unc3 | guys is there any way to disable the internal gps on n810 ? |
| 15:13.53 | KotCzarny | with a hammer? |
| 15:13.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:14.21 | b0unc3 | :( |
| 15:14.26 | X-Fade | b0unc3: Don't use any applications that use gps? |
| 15:14.40 | X-Fade | Or perhaps kill gpsd? |
| 15:14.49 | disq | b0unc3: gps location setting in control panel. |
| 15:15.19 | b0unc3 | disq: perfect... thank you |
| 15:16.20 | b0unc3 | uhm... but if I disable the internal gsp... I can't use any gps (bt) ? |
| 15:20.28 | KotCzarny | ok, now i have a n00b question, is there any shortcut to lock the device? |
| 15:20.31 | KotCzarny | (os2008) |
| 15:21.36 | KotCzarny | nvm, found it |
| 15:21.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:22.35 | johnx | gah...got sucked into the vgba emulator |
| 15:22.41 | johnx | need to sleep... |
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| 15:24.36 | achadwick | b0unc3: you should be able to use a bluetooth GPS device with the n810. I find the internal one's fine for my use though... despite taking forever to lock. |
| 15:26.55 | achadwick | Talking of n810s: recommendations on cheap bt-enabled data-capable companion phones, anyone (in/near the UK, that is)? |
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| 15:27.37 | Tobotras | Nokia 6021 (no idea about UK, that is :) |
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| 15:32.49 | Robot101 | achadwick: 6151 is cheap and cheerful, very cheap on 3 PAYG (they do £5/mo unlimited internet) |
| 15:32.58 | Robot101 | achadwick: 6120 if you want HSDPA |
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| 15:39.44 | n800music | hi |
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| 15:40.48 | n800music | is there a way to pre-download maps for maemo mapper for a few states? |
| 15:40.58 | n800music | on mmc |
| 15:42.28 | achadwick | n800music: Menu > Maps > Manage Maps... |
| 15:42.35 | liri | I think it's called maemo-mapper |
| 15:42.37 | Jaffa | n800music: yes, zoom out and then you can select a menu option for "download current view at zoom levels ..., ... and ..." |
| 15:43.07 | n800music | sweet |
| 15:43.20 | achadwick | If you have a route in mind, enter that and you can then tell it to download tiles near the green line. |
| 15:43.40 | liri | jaffa do you know if there's any support for the freemap.co.il web maps? |
| 15:45.16 | n800music | how much data do you think it'd be fir like a few stares at zoom level 4? |
| 15:45.31 | n800music | probably a dumb question, nm |
| 15:45.40 | n800music | i'll try it |
| 15:47.17 | liri | that freemap.co.il project is based on roadmap |
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| 15:47.51 | Jaffa | liri: no idea, I'm afraid |
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| 15:48.26 | pupnik | Mamona might be interesting when it hits 0.2 |
| 15:51.21 | pupnik | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/ReleaseNotes0.1 |
| 15:51.53 | qwerty12 | I've been looking at Mamona too. From a user point, I quite like the rotate function |
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| 16:01.55 | n800music | is it possible to use 8 Gb cards on n800? |
| 16:02.26 | n800music | found some contradictory info |
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| 16:04.05 | fysa | I need to fill a DBA position in Bethesda, MD. |
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| 16:16.42 | aquatix | n800music: i think 8GB SDHC cards should just work |
| 16:16.56 | aquatix | but i haven't tried so myself yet |
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| 16:35.03 | oilinki | I'm using 8GB and it's working fine |
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| 16:51.09 | leo2007 | can emacs run in n8x0? |
| 16:51.51 | Navi | Yeah, there was a build posted on the forum |
| 16:52.05 | Navi | ITT forum |
| 16:53.28 | pupnik | also planetmaemo |
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| 17:02.06 | n800music | oilinki, what make is it? |
| 17:02.06 | n800music | the card |
| 17:02.07 | n800music | they get exoensive at that size, just wanna be sure |
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| 17:06.23 | cyberholic | Hi everyone.... it's 6 PM here so... gooood evening ;) |
| 17:06.38 | s_tec | Aside from the one-page setup guide, are there any docs for esbox? I'm trying to figure out how to do remote debugging on the device. |
| 17:07.38 | cyberholic | all: I have added a new category to my new site mojocafe.de - like some you of you wished, i added WEBCAMS to it, so that you can show webcams on your Device. At the moment there are just a handfull of them, anyone who would like to see a special cam added? |
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| 17:09.14 | oilinki | n800music: sorry, I can not remember. some generic card. just bought it from a small shop. |
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| 17:10.42 | oilinki | n800music: found the device. the card is made by Kingston |
| 17:15.54 | cyberholic | hey, anyone of you have a favourite webcam link? |
| 17:16.20 | leo2007 | n800music: i can find emacs in planetmaemo? |
| 17:16.26 | leo2007 | s/can/cannot/ |
| 17:17.10 | Navi | leo2007, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189&highlight=emacs |
| 17:17.15 | hrw | bye |
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| 17:19.31 | cyberholic | Hi Mousey, do you have a favorite webcamlink? |
| 17:20.05 | Mousey | what are you a spambot? |
| 17:20.42 | cyberholic | *lol* no... a few maemo users asked me to add a webcam option to my new n800n/810 site and now i am seeking for links to add to it. |
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| 17:21.02 | Navi | a human bot |
| 17:21.26 | Mousey | oh. sorry man. i'm no help then. internet webcams are all pr0n |
| 17:22.32 | cyberholic | *lol* ..... either ways they are: if not pr0n then voyeuristic :) .... i am running a san francisco webcam on my device now for about 60 minutes and have seen how the city "wakens up" :) |
| 17:23.14 | cyberholic | using my n800 as a simple "webcam viewer" raly is a bit overexegerated - or how that word is spelled - sorry for me bad anglish ;) |
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| 17:34.10 | n800music | thank you |
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| 17:37.38 | Navi | is it just me, or does anyone else get excessive tearing when using canola? |
| 17:38.15 | cyberholic | What do you mean with tearing? |
| 17:38.15 | mgedmin | judging from old threads on the mailing list, it's not just you |
| 17:38.22 | Navi | mmk |
| 17:38.31 | Navi | cyberholic, screen tearing |
| 17:38.32 | kenne | Navi, it is a hardware problem |
| 17:38.43 | mgedmin | cyberholic: animation looking bad because half of the screen shows an old frame and the other half a new one |
| 17:38.53 | mgedmin | because screen refresh happens in the middle of drawing |
| 17:38.56 | kenne | Navi, N770 doesn't have that problem |
| 17:39.01 | Navi | mmk |
| 17:39.08 | cyberholic | Navi: ah ok, that is exactly the same that happens to some of the mojocafe animations. I think it is a hardware problem.... |
| 17:39.29 | Navi | tearing on a mobile device makes me sad |
| 17:39.47 | cyberholic | sad like... tearing eyes? |
| 17:39.48 | cyberholic | ;) |
| 17:39.58 | Navi | oh, punny |
| 17:40.03 | MangoFusion | how long does it take to change a track on canola? for me, there is typically a 0.5 ~ 1 second delay |
| 17:40.22 | MangoFusion | don't notice much screen tearing though |
| 17:40.42 | Navi | I only use Canola for music much |
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| 17:40.47 | Navi | s/only/don't/ |
| 17:40.55 | kenne | MangoFusion, we did all we could do in order to minimize the effect of tearing in Canola |
| 17:41.45 | leo2007 | I am asking a friend to buy a n810 for me. What's the memory and storage size for a standard n810? |
| 17:41.52 | cyberholic | kenne: are you in the canola dev team? |
| 17:42.00 | Navi | leo2007, come again? |
| 17:42.09 | kenne | cyberholic, I am |
| 17:42.31 | Navi | it has 2GB flash built-in and 128MB RAM, if that's what you're looking for |
| 17:42.49 | cyberholic | kenne: i am asking because i was thinking about adapting the canola menu-working to the mojocafe device GUI. Would that be ok? |
| 17:43.09 | Navi | kenne, <bother> any ETA for the youtube plugin and plugin docs? </bother> |
| 17:43.16 | jordi | hey, any nokia insider who can clue me on who to contact if I'm having problems with my n810 discount code? |
| 17:43.26 | jordi | I'm getting "coupon.maxusesexceeded" |
| 17:43.46 | kenne | cyberholic, you better talk to our manager :-) There is a forum on www.internettablettalk.com, he always responds |
| 17:43.55 | leo2007 | Navi: I guess program will be installed in the flash, right? |
| 17:44.01 | cyberholic | ok, thanks a lot. |
| 17:44.03 | Navi | leo2007, correct |
| 17:44.08 | kenne | Navi, youtube is being released very soon |
| 17:44.16 | leo2007 | Navi: that's perfect coz emacs takes up a lot of space |
| 17:44.38 | kenne | Navi, the code will be free and hopefully well documented :-) |
| 17:44.45 | Navi | woo |
| 17:44.56 | Navi | last.fm as well? |
| 17:45.16 | cyberholic | vagalume is the #1 last.fm tool.... it rooooocks |
| 17:45.30 | kenne | I think we launce youtube first and look if there are any problems with our plugin system |
| 17:45.37 | Navi | mmk |
| 17:45.44 | Navi | cyberholic, yeah, I use vagalume |
| 17:46.34 | Navi | but it lacks the shininess I like to show off to friends and random people |
| 17:46.53 | kenne | :) |
| 17:47.20 | cyberholic | navi: well, the new design looks way greater then the one before (with the blue gui). But i think so too .... you could in terms of design make more out of it. |
| 17:50.03 | Navi | kenne, what about theming? |
| 17:50.15 | Navi | I mean, custom theming |
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| 17:51.02 | cyberholic | just a quick question: does anyone of you use his/her device as RSS reader? |
| 17:51.06 | kenne | Navi, well, we will have news on that soon :-) |
| 17:51.11 | Navi | woo |
| 17:51.15 | Navi | cyberholic, I do |
| 17:51.24 | kenne | Navi, and as you might have heard we have some new themes in the works |
| 17:51.33 | Navi | I stopped running a desktop rss reader |
| 17:51.36 | Navi | on my desktop |
| 17:51.52 | cyberholic | Navi, i am asking because i am thinking about adding a rss category to the Mojocafe |
| 17:52.06 | kenne | Navi, we might set up a server where you can give it a tarball of modified images and it will then generate a theme for you |
| 17:52.07 | cyberholic | kenne: will there ever be an option to make own themes for canola? |
| 17:52.22 | kenne | cyberholic, yes, actually you can do it today |
| 17:52.30 | kenne | if you install the EFL stack |
| 17:52.30 | lcdd | the bundled rss reader chokes on gzip-compressed feeds |
| 17:52.35 | kenne | there is a decompiler edje_cc |
| 17:52.43 | kenne | and decompile, modify and compile again |
| 17:52.49 | cyberholic | the problem is that i am not very into *nix, maemo programming. i am more a designer with some php,sql knowledge. |
| 17:52.51 | kenne | s/edje_cc/edje_decc/s |
| 17:52.56 | Navi | oh, cool |
| 17:53.03 | Navi | 'cuz I have the latest cvs EFL |
| 17:53.11 | kenne | :) |
| 17:53.28 | kenne | so what are you waiting for :-D |
| 17:53.46 | Navi | Waiting for spring break |
| 17:53.50 | cyberholic | i am just starting a rss reader as mojocafe mojo aka applet so that feeds will cycle fullscreen.... |
| 17:54.11 | Navi | cyberholic, mojocafe doesn't load for me, btw |
| 17:54.22 | cyberholic | navi: have flashblock active? |
| 17:54.30 | Navi | I have flash disabled |
| 17:54.37 | cyberholic | thats the problem :) |
| 17:54.42 | Navi | :P |
| 17:54.52 | cyberholic | 8o |
| 17:55.12 | Navi | kenne, just one more question though, why isn't Canola open? |
| 17:55.57 | kenne | that is a manager decision, and I do not really know the reason, but it is probably business related |
| 17:56.18 | Navi | :( |
| 17:56.32 | cyberholic | May Harry Potter and Rambo together can open it!? |
| 17:56.35 | MoRpHeUz | cyberholic: (regarding themes) so, you'll like a web tool we are developing to help generating new themes |
| 17:56.36 | kenne | Navi, us (the developers) have tried to make it open and actually some of the backedn is |
| 17:57.06 | cyberholic | morpheuz: rock on! and reeeespect! Sounds very cool. |
| 17:57.08 | Navi | That's cool |
| 17:57.16 | kenne | Navi, like our media scanner, the whole EFL stack (our 16 bit engine etc, python bindings), the canola daemon etc |
| 17:57.47 | kenne | Navi, we are trying to make up for that with our plugin system |
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| 17:58.21 | Navi | Yeah, I've been looking forward to the plugin system since I've heard about it |
| 17:58.39 | kenne | cyberholic, efleury is the web theme tool coder :-) |
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| 17:59.15 | kenne | or at least that guy is called fleury so I hope it is the same :-) |
| 17:59.52 | efleury | kenne: haha that's me |
| 18:00.00 | kenne | efleury, what is with the e? |
| 18:00.14 | kenne | eduardo doh |
| 18:00.20 | efleury | kenne: eduardo :) and "fleury" is already registered by someone else |
| 18:00.21 | kenne | forgot you have a first name |
| 18:00.25 | efleury | lol |
| 18:00.34 | kenne | stupid fake dane |
| 18:00.38 | kenne | :P |
| 18:00.41 | efleury | :-P |
| 18:00.45 | Navi | XD |
| 18:01.28 | kenne | how that my name has become kenneth da silva, I will name you Erik Fleury |
| 18:02.33 | MoRpHeUz | kenne: your brazilian name is "kenneth josé" and not "kenneth da silva" |
| 18:02.36 | MoRpHeUz | =) |
| 18:02.41 | kenne | jose da silva! |
| 18:02.58 | MoRpHeUz | ok, we can work it out =P |
| 18:02.59 | efleury | haha erik? like in the lost vikings? |
| 18:03.02 | efleury | kenne: ^ |
| 18:03.04 | kenne | yes! |
| 18:03.12 | efleury | the jumper viking |
| 18:03.17 | efleury | :) |
| 18:03.22 | cyberholic | aaaaaaaaaah.... videocenter made my device just crash.... jesus..... what the hack????? *shiver* |
| 18:03.24 | kenne | or let me call you Einar (the lonely walker :P) |
| 18:03.50 | efleury | I like Erik better :) |
| 18:03.50 | kenne | that is the name of my granddad |
| 18:03.56 | efleury | oh |
| 18:04.10 | efleury | soh I can be called Einar in attention to your granddad |
| 18:04.16 | kenne | yes |
| 18:05.00 | pupnik | perhaps the canola devs hope/hoped to sell their software to buy food n stuff |
| 18:05.30 | Navi | Management needs teh moolah |
| 18:05.52 | Navi | Pimlico is really polished |
| 18:05.53 | MoRpHeUz | pupnik: hhmm...maybe... |
| 18:05.54 | pupnik | i just want to see linux on handhelds |
| 18:06.02 | Navi | I should subscribe to their mailing lists |
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| 18:06.08 | Navi | and complain |
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| 18:06.44 | pupnik | write to microsoft and complain, or adobe etc |
| 18:06.54 | pupnik | "hey, where's the source?!??oneon" |
| 18:06.59 | Navi | :D |
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| 18:07.56 | MoRpHeUz | pupnik: or maybe they do a lot of free software development, and also develop some other stuff to buy their "food and stuff" |
| 18:08.10 | pupnik | :0 |
| 18:09.08 | pupnik | greets MoRpHeUz :) congrats on rotated mode work |
| 18:09.20 | MoRpHeUz | pupnik: =D thanks =) |
| 18:09.23 | leo2007 | Navi: do you run Emacs? |
| 18:09.32 | Navi | Nah, vim |
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| 18:09.39 | Dazgard | hi |
| 18:09.55 | Dazgard | im developing a remote controler for ardour |
| 18:10.20 | Dazgard | it will be based on efl + python + osc |
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| 18:10.38 | Navi | Cool. |
| 18:10.41 | MoRpHeUz | pupnik: do you anyting about s60's emulators ? |
| 18:10.52 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.53 | Dazgard | what you guys are using to develop such app, |
| 18:11.07 | Dazgard | the canola guys for example ? |
| 18:11.08 | Navi | come again? |
| 18:11.19 | MoRpHeUz | =/ |
| 18:11.25 | Navi | "using to develop" is a really broad term. |
| 18:11.27 | MoRpHeUz | anybody here coming to bossa conference ? |
| 18:11.29 | Navi | s/term/phrase/ |
| 18:11.44 | kenne | we just use a default linux desktop :) |
| 18:11.46 | pupnik | a compUt3r! |
| 18:11.52 | kenne | it all runs on the desktop |
| 18:12.16 | Dazgard | ok, so i'll have to install efl dev tools, that is |
| 18:12.27 | Navi | heh |
| 18:12.39 | leo2007 | Can someone give me some idea on the startup time of Emacs in n8x0? |
| 18:13.21 | Dazgard | i thought there were some kind of appliance for maemo + efl |
| 18:13.57 | MoRpHeUz | Dazgard: to develop you just need a regular "IBM/PC" as cmarcelo used to say, python and efl =) |
| 18:14.05 | MoRpHeUz | (regarding canola plugins) |
| 18:14.08 | Dazgard | that's cool |
| 18:14.09 | Dazgard | :) |
| 18:14.30 | MoRpHeUz | and for sure the docs and sources that we are preparing for you "out there" hehe |
| 18:14.36 | kenne | :) |
| 18:14.38 | Dazgard | :D |
| 18:14.52 | MoRpHeUz | (they are not really _needed_, but may help a little bit) |
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| 18:17.57 | kenne | MoRpHeUz, you can reproduce? try my new python-downloadmanager if so.. |
| 18:18.26 | MoRpHeUz | kenne: I used the last packages from etrunko's rep. |
| 18:18.38 | MoRpHeUz | on my device I can reproduce it everytime |
| 18:18.44 | kenne | ok |
| 18:18.55 | kenne | MoRpHeUz, I will ask him to make a new package |
| 18:19.01 | MoRpHeUz | ok |
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| 18:21.20 | cyberholic | Ok guys.... i will leave now and try to develop the rss feed showers for the mojocafe... see ya later... hugs and greetings,carlos |
| 18:22.19 | Navi | bye |
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| 18:26.12 | KotCzarny | re |
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| 18:31.41 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.23 | pupnik | The development of the Atari 2600 had cost about US$100 million. (!) |
| 18:32.24 | KotCzarny | simple pleasures |
| 18:32.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:33.26 | kenne | Navi, cyberholic you guys know that there is a #canola channel here :) feel free to join |
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| 18:43.10 | pupnik | i do like the colors on the 770 screen better in darkened rooms |
| 18:43.20 | Navi | same |
| 18:47.53 | pupnik | http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=173&a=5479 BREAKING NEWS: Admiral fallon who threatened to resign if an attack were committed on Iran. Has resigned. |
| 18:48.03 | pupnik | <- afk beer |
| 18:49.24 | KotCzarny | huh |
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| 18:51.28 | Navi | pupnik, yeah, I've read that |
| 18:51.33 | KotCzarny | bad news |
| 18:52.12 | Navi | the Pentagon denies the policy shift, though |
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| 18:52.23 | KotCzarny | we will see |
| 18:52.40 | KotCzarny | but denying isn't any proof in politics |
| 18:52.45 | KotCzarny | only straight facts |
| 18:52.58 | pupnik | hmm |
| 18:54.11 | am_ | hi all |
| 18:54.17 | KotCzarny | And oil, which just bumped up against $110 a barrel, an all-time record, will double in price overnight, as the whole Persian Gulf becomes a war zone. |
| 18:54.20 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 18:54.30 | am_ | does hal not work with batter status? |
| 18:54.36 | am_ | s/batter/battery |
| 18:55.17 | Brains | Er, that breaking news isn't even all that breaking.. He resigned yesterday. |
| 18:55.59 | KotCzarny | was it in the tv? |
| 18:56.42 | Navi | Dunno, I got it yesterday through /. |
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| 20:09.50 | Tama^2 | Hello |
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| 20:17.13 | cyberholic | Good evening everyone.... i am updating the Mojocafe and have an english grammer question, can i ask it!? |
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| 20:18.48 | cyberholic | Is a phrase like "Already x people out their spicing up their devices with some of our Mojos" a correct english one? |
| 20:20.44 | qwerty12_N800 | there not their :) (actually not sure myself but i know for sure it |
| 20:20.45 | Tama^2 | you mean: out there are spicing ... |
| 20:20.59 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 20:21.00 | qwerty12_N800 | isnt their |
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| 20:22.01 | cyberholic | But i mean.... the devices from people.... isnt it their? |
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| 20:22.46 | Tama^2 | "Already x people out their spicing up their devices with some of our Mojos" |
| 20:22.57 | Tama^2 | the first their is probably not what you want |
| 20:23.01 | Tama^2 | the second is fine |
| 20:23.07 | cyberholic | oh... correct! thanks a lot! |
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| 20:40.20 | Brains | I could have sworn that youtube had worked for me in the past but now I'm getting the old flash verion error... |
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| 20:43.54 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/940213 gaze upon the horror that is OPL2 synthesizer emulation - flag to lardman|gone, spirytusick, jott, KotCzarny, inz |
| 20:45.14 | solmumaha | Brains: enable flash from browsers magnifying glass icon |
| 20:45.45 | spirytusick | pupnik: thanks |
| 20:46.37 | spirytusick | looks compilcated... |
| 20:47.06 | pupnik | that's the sound blaster music synth taking up 22% of cpu time |
| 20:47.41 | spirytusick | holly, no wonder universe was quite slow |
| 20:47.59 | spirytusick | pupnik: do you know anything about dsp programming under maemo ? perhaps it can be used to off load the cpu ? |
| 20:48.11 | spirytusick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.14 | pupnik | yes i am praying for that |
| 20:48.17 | pupnik | no not full rewrite |
| 20:48.34 | pupnik | just some real work |
| 20:48.51 | spirytusick | pupnik: glad you are still tinkering the dosbox |
| 20:49.10 | spirytusick | pupnik: I've tried a few games today, but universe and darkseed seem a little too demanding |
| 20:49.34 | pupnik | without sound you should be fine with 286 class games |
| 20:50.05 | pupnik | i.e. if the game came out before 1990 (doesn't have 256 color vga support) |
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| 20:50.14 | solmumaha | long way to daggerfall :( |
| 20:50.52 | spirytusick | pupnik: yep, but no sound suxx in adventure games... I am left with scummvm |
| 20:51.09 | spirytusick | which works rather well |
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| 20:51.23 | pupnik | that goddamn OPL2 synth is killing performance for freesci as well |
| 20:51.24 | spirytusick | but it does not have to emulate a lot of hardware :) |
| 20:51.33 | pupnik | it also does the damn opl2 |
| 20:51.46 | pupnik | i need to check how he's using it |
| 20:51.54 | spirytusick | yep but it does not have tu emu a cpu and other bits |
| 20:52.09 | pupnik | right |
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| 20:52.30 | spirytusick | i suppose it is an interpretter for game data, no real emulation aside from the sound |
| 20:52.35 | pupnik | right |
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| 20:53.04 | spirytusick | btw, maemo and symbian versions have disabled the mt-32 emulation, |
| 20:53.10 | spirytusick | probably to cpu intensive |
| 20:53.15 | spirytusick | certainly |
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| 21:00.25 | disq | good, got my 8gb microsd |
| 21:00.30 | disq | now all i need is a micro to mini converter |
| 21:01.36 | Paavo | i'm continually amazed by multi-gigabyte microsd cards |
| 21:01.51 | disq | yeah me too :) |
| 21:01.57 | Paavo | there's just something so scifi about them |
| 21:02.03 | disq | darn thing smaller than my nail |
| 21:02.15 | Paavo | my first HDD was 210 MB... |
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| 21:04.33 | spirytusick | Paavo: easy to carry, easy to swallow, will replace prozac eventualy |
| 21:06.55 | fysa | my first was 174848 bytes. ;) |
| 21:07.31 | Paavo | things start get really interesting if the non-volatile magnetic RAM gets practical and widely deployed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mram |
| 21:07.41 | henrique | is it possible to work with FAM in maemo? if not, is there some notification gadget for files modification? |
| 21:08.06 | Paavo | back to the good old days of RAM for both heap and mass storage |
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| 21:08.09 | spirytusick | my first hdd was 20mb, good a590 for amiga.. old rmfl drive.. and at that time it was amazig |
| 21:08.14 | spirytusick | amazing |
| 21:08.42 | spirytusick | I carry more in my IT everyday that my first serious pc had... 6.4gb |
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| 21:09.31 | schu` | anyone here install omniorb onto an n800? |
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| 21:11.53 | Brains | solmumaha: It was already turned on... |
| 21:12.45 | f_mohr | how do i repartition the internal card in my n810? fdisk seems not to be available (i want to fix that oversized partition problem - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2940) |
| 21:13.05 | henrique | it should be a good thing to add a "timestamp" field for rtcom-recent-calls file, btw |
| 21:13.18 | Paavo | I wonder what changes will happen in application space when MRAM is the only memory technology on a device? |
| 21:13.34 | f_mohr | fdisk and gpartedit over usb seem not to find a partition table at all |
| 21:13.49 | fysa | keep every application resident at all times ;) |
| 21:14.23 | Paavo | If you want to be sloppy you no longer have to write a "save" routine. |
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| 21:14.43 | fysa | emulate all UAE games simultaneously |
| 21:14.48 | Paavo | You start an application once when you install it and it just keeps all documents in RAM. |
| 21:15.22 | Paavo | In case backups are needed, just dump a copy of the application's memory image to a backup area. |
| 21:15.43 | Brains | Hmmm... Browser restart fixed it. |
| 21:16.03 | Paavo | Could you replace the filesystem with interoperating persistent components? |
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| 22:04.44 | fer | hi |
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| 22:16.58 | fer | anyone here who installed scratchbox ? |
| 22:20.15 | KotCzarny | pupnik: couldn't dosemu use timidity as midi synth? |
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| 22:26.18 | fer | I need to move the scratchbox directory to a different disk, but it complains about not beying able to copy hardlinks... anypne knows how to move scratchbox to another location? |
| 22:26.35 | KotCzarny | tar |
| 22:26.49 | KotCzarny | with a -p i guess |
| 22:27.17 | johnx | I thought I just rsynced it, but I can't be sure |
| 22:27.37 | fer | I'm confused about this... |
| 22:27.52 | KotCzarny | fer, just reinstall it |
| 22:27.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:27.55 | fer | it's supposed to be a "closed" system.. so, should not have absolute references.. |
| 22:28.22 | fer | reinstalling is what you do in M$ land... |
| 22:28.38 | KotCzarny | yes, but may be quicker in your case |
| 22:28.46 | KotCzarny | how do you copy it? |
| 22:28.59 | johnx | reinstalling is what you do when you're dealing with sketchy software you don't want to spend the time to troubleshoot |
| 22:29.15 | KotCzarny | ^ /me agrees |
| 22:29.18 | johnx | I thought I just used rsync -av |
| 22:30.00 | fer | ok... |
| 22:30.32 | KotCzarny | you can try cp -a |
| 22:31.50 | fer | I've just installed it.. and now I'm out of disk space in this partition... |
| 22:31.52 | KotCzarny | johnx: wanna see my ncurses player? |
| 22:32.00 | fer | the problem is that downloading all that stuff is damn slow... |
| 22:32.12 | KotCzarny | fer: i believe it can be cached |
| 22:33.22 | johnx | ncurses player? |
| 22:33.27 | johnx | a music player? |
| 22:33.31 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:33.49 | KotCzarny | can work with videos/youtube too, but then running it over ssh is recommended |
| 22:33.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:36.38 | KotCzarny | handles .m3u playlists and http:// streams as well |
| 22:36.51 | KotCzarny | (so can be used as a internet radio too) |
| 22:36.56 | johnx | I'm pretty good for right now. thanks though. |
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| 23:52.11 | pupnik | KotCzarny: not for the general case |
| 23:52.49 | pupnik | the yamaha fm synthesizers are controllable in a fine-grained fashion |
| 23:53.24 | pupnik | thus as far as I can tell, no fixed set of sounds would ever suffice to simulate them |
| 23:53.49 | pupnik | however, the vast majority of games use the same sound parameters |
| 23:54.02 | pupnik | to resynthesize them for every note is not strictly necessary |
| 23:54.24 | KotCzarny | jit-synth ? |
| 23:54.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:54.28 | pupnik | one could for example, 'cache' the sound generated by a particular set of paramaters for a fmopl synth to a wavetable |
| 23:54.35 | pupnik | or rather pcm sample |
| 23:54.59 | pupnik | ignoring factors like pitch and perhaps some other parameters that would be better implemented later |
| 23:55.02 | pupnik | like envelopes |
| 23:55.53 | pupnik | but yes your suggestion is exactly what i'm thinking about |
| 23:55.56 | KotCzarny | huh, i can't get myself to sit and package some software |
| 23:56.04 | KotCzarny | laziness at it's finest |
| 23:57.07 | pupnik | unfortunately i'm exactly the same. the real focused work i do in a day might average to 40 minutes |
| 23:57.56 | pupnik | but uae4all was a huge help to me in understand where the abstraction needs to happen |
| 23:58.11 | pupnik | there are many similarities in other gp2x games - |
| 23:58.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:59.09 | pupnik | but you did get lucky with uae4all |
| 23:59.43 | KotCzarny | my google magic is strong |
| 23:59.43 | pupnik | that minimal lib is great |
