| 00:01.22 | lcuk_3 | i seem to do more in lists on the pc and it fits better rotated 90deg with less scrolling around (1280*1024 desktop) |
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| 00:10.28 | Acglaphotis | Hey, can you tell me how to load the serial usb driver on an N800 with OS2008? |
| 00:10.46 | KotCzarny | modprobe usb-serial ? |
| 00:10.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:10.51 | KotCzarny | just kidding |
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| 00:12.14 | Acglaphotis | thanks : d |
| 00:12.19 | Acglaphotis | *: D |
| 00:12.28 | KotCzarny | lol? |
| 00:13.10 | Acglaphotis | my connection is dropping, did i send that twice? |
| 00:13.37 | KotCzarny | sent what? |
| 00:13.43 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 00:13.51 | KotCzarny | his connection must be dropping |
| 00:13.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 00:16.19 | lcuk_3 | there wa sa lag storm warning given earlier |
| 00:16.33 | KotCzarny | never noticed |
| 00:16.41 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.53 | Acglaphotis | Hey, does anyone knows if there is any PPP apps for the N800? |
| 00:41.01 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 00:41.11 | Acglaphotis | i haven't found any |
| 00:41.24 | KotCzarny | they can be named weird |
| 00:41.29 | KotCzarny | like dialer or something |
| 00:41.56 | pupnik | cu ? |
| 00:42.12 | KotCzarny | callers united? |
| 00:42.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:42.44 | pupnik | i remember when slip came out |
| 00:43.17 | pupnik | NCSA Champaigne-Urbana and the University of Minnesota were into that |
| 00:43.20 | pupnik | and Gopher :) |
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| 00:44.20 | pupnik | maemo 2.0 / mistral had gcc 4.3 ... http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html |
| 00:44.53 | KotCzarny | source away then? |
| 00:45.17 | KotCzarny | and you still overlooking a : |
| 00:45.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:45.38 | pupnik | it's just curious why we're still on gcc codesourcery 2005 |
| 00:45.52 | KotCzarny | 'if it works, use it' |
| 00:45.59 | Acglaphotis | hmm... im trying to use a usb modem with my n800 but the description of cu only mentions bluetooth? |
| 00:46.03 | KotCzarny | probably there was a hell of work to get it to work |
| 00:47.08 | pupnik | yes - on he other hand companies like TI and Nokia should be investing in gcc |
| 00:48.14 | pupnik | intel wants to eat their lunch... and I hate intel |
| 00:48.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:49.01 | Acglaphotis | do you guys know if cu would work with an usb modem?, or should i just recompile pppd for my n800 (could that work?) |
| 00:49.19 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 00:49.43 | pupnik | i want to be like a quasar ejecting open source software, fueled by a black hole of hate :) |
| 00:49.57 | pupnik | hmm? |
| 00:50.15 | KotCzarny | ok, start now |
| 00:50.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:50.23 | Acglaphotis | oops, i just saw that pon is installed, so i figure that pppd is also installed by default? |
| 00:50.31 | pupnik | don't know how to talk to usb devices |
| 00:50.41 | pupnik | i'm a dinosaur from the tty era |
| 00:50.45 | KotCzarny | usb-serial looks like a tty |
| 00:50.48 | KotCzarny | i believe |
| 00:50.50 | pupnik | cool |
| 00:50.54 | Acglaphotis | it uses a /dev/ttysomething |
| 00:51.03 | KotCzarny | it emulates regular serial device |
| 00:51.18 | pupnik | so no crazy drivers and custom i/o |
| 00:51.19 | KotCzarny | so minicom etc. will work |
| 00:51.36 | KotCzarny | yeah, as long kernel driver is loaded |
| 00:51.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:51.40 | pupnik | wow, the industry can still make some sense |
| 00:51.51 | Acglaphotis | im retarded... pppd and pon are already installed so i just have to edit /etc/ppp/peers... |
| 00:52.02 | KotCzarny | Acglaphotis: :) |
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| 00:52.28 | KotCzarny | now for your punishment you will have to write them 100 times |
| 00:53.14 | Acglaphotis | Thanks guys : D |
| 00:54.25 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.46 | pupnik | but we dont' want that |
| 00:54.51 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:54.53 | pupnik | not their software anyway |
| 00:54.55 | KotCzarny | one thing at a time |
| 00:55.11 | pupnik | just looking at their features for ideas |
| 00:55.17 | pupnik | http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/index.php?topic=430.msg3962 |
| 00:56.08 | pupnik | here's what pisses me off |
| 00:56.19 | pupnik | v0.1 -Initial release. Very alpha, no sound, runs at about 85% speed of a real Amiga 500. |
| 00:56.29 | pupnik | ah well with no sound that does make it easier |
| 00:56.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:56.35 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 00:56.37 | lcuk_3 | i think a high resolution + fast + swish interface is possible for this device :) |
| 00:56.51 | pupnik | keep at it lcuk_3 |
| 00:56.53 | lcuk_3 | pupnik, i might want you to test something for me soon :) |
| 00:57.17 | lcuk_3 | it looks very interesting |
| 00:57.30 | pupnik | scrollyness makes me happy |
| 00:57.32 | lcuk_3 | and could possibly help you to that autoscaling goal |
| 00:58.16 | lcuk_3 | do you have a 100% requirement for rgb in sdl, or is there an internal choice to use yuv? |
| 00:58.21 | Acglaphotis | uhm... modprobe usb-serial throws me " modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep", any ideas? |
| 00:58.55 | KotCzarny | Acglaphotis: you don't have any modules installed |
| 00:59.00 | KotCzarny | other than those in initfs |
| 00:59.21 | Acglaphotis | KotCzarny: Im having a premonition about that not being good |
| 00:59.41 | KotCzarny | let me see what kernel has in the way of usb drivers |
| 01:00.27 | KotCzarny | you're in luck |
| 01:00.35 | KotCzarny | there are many of them |
| 01:00.45 | pupnik | that would be really great to get your experience applied to uae4all framebuffer handling lcuk_3 |
| 01:00.46 | KotCzarny | one will have to compile/copy them |
| 01:00.59 | KotCzarny | i can compile you a generic one |
| 01:01.04 | leif__ | http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/01/usbserial.html |
| 01:01.26 | Acglaphotis | thx leif__ |
| 01:01.46 | KotCzarny | no need to compile? ok |
| 01:01.50 | KotCzarny | i'm off to code |
| 01:01.51 | Acglaphotis | KotCzarny: Don't worry i can do it |
| 01:01.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:02.01 | pupnik | have you looked at the vkbd code yet KotCzarny ? |
| 01:02.01 | Acglaphotis | thanks and bye |
| 01:02.04 | leif__ | np, i haven't tried it though... just read about it |
| 01:02.05 | lcuk_3 | how fast have we got amiga workbench running now? is cygnus editor working yet? |
| 01:02.08 | KotCzarny | pupnik: not yet |
| 01:02.15 | pupnik | i saw the #define enabled but didn't go hunting either |
| 01:02.20 | KotCzarny | tried to enable it but could make it work |
| 01:02.31 | KotCzarny | lccuk: yes |
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| 01:03.07 | lcuk_3 | that sounds interesting. |
| 01:03.19 | KotCzarny | but at lowres |
| 01:03.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:03.30 | KotCzarny | gp2x is mainly for games |
| 01:03.36 | KotCzarny | so it uses 320x240 mode |
| 01:03.39 | lcuk_3 | why are we trying to emulate it though? hasn't anyone tried reimplimenting wb, or wasnt workbench opensourced? |
| 01:03.44 | pupnik | also if the amiga is really paletted internally, we might look into 8-bit RGB->yuv |
| 01:04.00 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it wasn't |
| 01:04.02 | lcuk_3 | no, the amiga is internally bit planed |
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| 01:04.25 | lcuk_3 | there is a really slow planar to chunky bit rotation function needed |
| 01:04.51 | pupnik | ok i saw a sdl pallette datastructure somewheres. there's probably some trash left in the codebase |
| 01:05.14 | pupnik | but it's refreshingly direct compared to bloaty PC-based emus |
| 01:05.22 | lcuk_3 | i remember it from the final days of amiga. when pc 3d games came out using vga 8bit chunky pixels resolution came out the planar principal failed. |
| 01:05.23 | pupnik | at least the sound backend :) |
| 01:05.37 | pupnik | heh |
| 01:05.52 | lcuk_3 | alien breed was one of the games which included it |
| 01:05.57 | pupnik | curse you ibm |
| 01:06.06 | lcuk_3 | it was a totally different style of graphics that the amiga could not work well with |
| 01:06.31 | lcuk_3 | if we use the low 4-16 color windows on offer in the high resolution, the situation is easier with less bits to flip |
| 01:06.51 | pupnik | amiga came out ... 1984-5? |
| 01:06.53 | pupnik | 6? |
| 01:07.13 | pupnik | vga came out ... 90? 91? |
| 01:07.24 | lcuk_3 | i had an amiga until 98 |
| 01:07.43 | KotCzarny | with scsi adapter + 8mb simm in it |
| 01:07.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:07.45 | lcuk_3 | my 1200 died |
| 01:08.15 | KotCzarny | ['] |
| 01:08.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:08.28 | pupnik | well xomap is taking up like 6-9% cpu right now |
| 01:08.35 | pupnik | that should be reduceable greatly |
| 01:08.45 | KotCzarny | i doubt it |
| 01:09.00 | lcuk_3 | i couldnt afford to fix it, i needed a job. got some quals and stepped down to vb. its been like methadone to me. i think in c. |
| 01:09.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:09.14 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 01:09.38 | KotCzarny | i still have that creepy feeling |
| 01:10.11 | lcuk_3 | i have just had a crazy idea |
| 01:10.36 | pupnik | sshh the channel is logged |
| 01:10.44 | lcuk_3 | you know this guy who does the wiimote stuff with sticky balls and leds - the head tracking etc. why dont we use the camera in the 810 like that |
| 01:11.14 | pupnik | hah awesome |
| 01:11.18 | KotCzarny | because cam is crappy |
| 01:11.23 | lcuk_3 | you could stand it infront of your pc monitor and wave your pen in the air to control big screen (or small one) |
| 01:11.29 | KotCzarny | and cpu is underpowered |
| 01:11.40 | lcuk_3 | cam == crappy for family portrait, but v good for filtering and tracking a target |
| 01:11.47 | lcuk_3 | bullshit |
| 01:11.55 | lcuk_3 | the cpu can handle it just fine |
| 01:12.08 | lcuk_3 | you underestimate it |
| 01:12.12 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 01:12.19 | lcuk_3 | i did |
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| 01:12.23 | KotCzarny | it does 4fps @ 640x480 |
| 01:12.56 | pupnik | reading from camera? |
| 01:12.59 | lcuk_3 | i have full screen flicker free rendering of a page of text rendered at 27fps |
| 01:13.36 | pupnik | i think camera app refreshes ~4-5 fps or something |
| 01:13.48 | lcuk_3 | but thats fine for a magic trick |
| 01:13.54 | KotCzarny | at 320x240 it's ~16fps |
| 01:13.58 | lcuk_3 | its something to talk about |
| 01:14.02 | KotCzarny | etc. |
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| 01:14.08 | lcuk_3 | look here iPhone, can you do THIS? |
| 01:14.49 | pupnik | facial recognition logins :P |
| 01:15.14 | pupnik | (hold up a photo) :) |
| 01:15.19 | lcuk_3 | nahhhh - but quite nice to take a pic of you before personalising the interface |
| 01:15.22 | KotCzarny | hello dave |
| 01:15.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:15.44 | lcuk_3 | heh, i have a box drawn on my notepad, all it has written on it is "Hello..." |
| 01:15.57 | lcuk_3 | i was going to ask their name and take a picture |
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| 01:16.24 | lcuk_3 | when they start the app, it just shows the faces of recent people who have used it |
| 01:16.48 | lcuk_3 | click to login and enter password |
| 01:17.08 | lcuk_3 | read books, browse the web play games, come and chat or anything else |
| 01:17.30 | lcuk_3 | (by the way i havent got a blog so here will do ;) |
| 01:18.01 | dospod | hey |
| 01:19.23 | pupnik | ok i'm off for my nightly economics lecture |
| 01:19.29 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:19.29 | pupnik | hope to be less useless tomorrow |
| 01:19.35 | KotCzarny | that would be cool on 800 |
| 01:19.50 | KotCzarny | 810 has camera exposed all the time |
| 01:19.52 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:20.22 | lcuk_3 | all the better to see you with |
| 01:20.28 | KotCzarny | or spy |
| 01:20.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:20.31 | lcuk_3 | would you ever put your device online |
| 01:20.36 | lcuk_3 | willingly |
| 01:20.42 | lcuk_3 | live camera feed |
| 01:22.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:22.25 | lcuk_3 | i suppose if it were marked to a private ftp, the data would not be a problem and could help in the chance of a robbery |
| 01:22.27 | KotCzarny | chicken |
| 01:22.37 | putterson | Does anybody know where airodump-ng saves its cap files? |
| 01:22.50 | lcuk_3 | every login uploads an image from the camera to your private webspace |
| 01:22.59 | lcdd | does usb-audio work on maemo? |
| 01:23.20 | KotCzarny | lcuk: make a script to do it |
| 01:23.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:23.26 | lcuk_3 | for the "common" crook, the chances that they would reflash a device before trying it out would be remote |
| 01:23.45 | lcuk_3 | hell, thats a wicked smart idea |
| 01:23.55 | KotCzarny | as long they don't know about it |
| 01:24.29 | KotCzarny | also, you can log gps data |
| 01:24.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:24.33 | KotCzarny | with the pic |
| 01:24.44 | KotCzarny | assuming you get gps working |
| 01:25.38 | lcuk_3 | obscurity will win. a piece of software on a single platform of a single type of smart device being widely known to have to re-flash (and how to get that info) becoming common knowledge to a magpie? |
| 01:25.59 | lcuk_3 | gps displays the icon and takes to fucking long to lock |
| 01:26.14 | KotCzarny | make your own app then? |
| 01:26.18 | KotCzarny | that runs without gui |
| 01:26.26 | RayTracer` | lcuk_3 I lock the fastest when there's nothing directly overhead and I hold the left side facing skywards |
| 01:26.35 | lcuk_3 | "please stand with your hands in the air (facing north) for 60 minutes whilst we get a lock and tell the user where you are" |
| 01:26.50 | KotCzarny | and aim out lazers |
| 01:26.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:27.00 | KotCzarny | *our |
| 01:27.02 | RayTracer` | lcuk_3 between 45s and 2mins to lock usually |
| 01:27.31 | KotCzarny | how about averaging? |
| 01:27.44 | RayTracer` | on average it's between 45s and 2 mins |
| 01:27.46 | KotCzarny | ie. getting few fast estimates? |
| 01:27.58 | KotCzarny | or it doesn't support 'usure' mode? |
| 01:28.50 | elb | this GPS thing cracks me up |
| 01:29.05 | elb | mine locks its GPS in a minute or so under most reasonable conditions |
| 01:29.17 | elb | there has to be more to all these problems people complain about |
| 01:29.17 | lcuk_3 | my missus who was the prime user - being a new driver - would like the ability to *ahem* relocate and reorient herself after a wrong turning *ahem*, but upon making said mistake 60 minutes after leaving the house with it in the dash and still not fucking locked lost trust with the device |
| 01:29.23 | RayTracer` | I'm convinced that there has not been a worse gps in mankind's history |
| 01:29.29 | RayTracer` | than the one in n810 |
| 01:29.32 | lcuk_3 | its no good as a tool if it cannot be relied upon |
| 01:29.45 | RayTracer` | my free phone has a built in gps that's better |
| 01:30.00 | lcuk_3 | i paid good money for this because it had gps |
| 01:30.19 | KotCzarny | then n800 is superior to n810 |
| 01:30.22 | lcuk_3 | nokia need to get this dealt with |
| 01:30.32 | KotCzarny | because you can get a good bt gps for the price difference |
| 01:30.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:30.52 | KotCzarny | and have it for other uses even after n800 gets to the closet |
| 01:31.05 | lcuk_3 | yes, and in future i will do that. keep dedicated gps unit in the vehicle and just connect with whatever i arrive at the car using |
| 01:31.13 | lcdd | the problem with these multimedia gadgets is that you can't expect any of the features to work properly |
| 01:31.36 | lcuk_3 | but look across at the n95. |
| 01:31.57 | lcuk_3 | its the same frikkin series and it works a damn sight better from what i can see |
| 01:32.23 | RayTracer` | n95 is a superstar with high end everything |
| 01:33.06 | RayTracer` | the 16gb built in is so nice |
| 01:33.37 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 01:33.48 | KotCzarny | but draws power too? |
| 01:33.57 | RayTracer` | no it runs on sunshine and happy thoughts |
| 01:34.03 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:34.16 | lcuk_3 | actually, looking - the n95 gps is as bad as this |
| 01:34.18 | lcdd | RayTracer`: which there are none :| |
| 01:34.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:34.41 | lcuk_3 | they have all the same kinds of "hold it to the sky - pray for 45 minutes stand on one leg |
| 01:35.10 | lcuk_3 | http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=smartphones&message.id=35519 |
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| 01:35.58 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.05 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 01:36.22 | Tama^2 | lcuk_3: funny, open the phone stand on one leg and chant a prayer... it may work! |
| 01:36.23 | KotCzarny | no better cheer up than knowing someone else is hurting too |
| 01:36.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 01:38.35 | Drizzt321 | on an n800, where would I go to add an additional repostitory, and then refresh the available packages/ |
| 01:38.36 | Drizzt321 | ? |
| 01:38.58 | KotCzarny | in application manager |
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| 01:40.18 | lcuk_3 | ive set my screen to blank after a period of no activity, any idea how to stop it happening when my program is running? |
| 01:40.30 | KotCzarny | look into mplayer sources |
| 01:40.31 | Drizzt321 | I'm doing this over the phone with my mother, so I don't have one in front of me. Where in the App Manager KotCzarny |
| 01:40.34 | KotCzarny | they have figured it out |
| 01:40.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:40.52 | lcuk_3 | yer i thought i might have to |
| 01:40.54 | pupnik | what book was Drizzt Durden (sp?) from? |
| 01:41.03 | KotCzarny | drizzt: greenmenu -> settings |
| 01:41.06 | Drizzt321 | pupnik, no clue, I got it from the D&D campaign setting |
| 01:41.16 | Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, greenmenu? |
| 01:41.24 | KotCzarny | those 3 green swuares |
| 01:41.26 | Drizzt321 | ok |
| 01:41.28 | KotCzarny | squares |
| 01:41.52 | pupnik | aah Icewind Dale |
| 01:42.21 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg Drizzt321 |
| 01:42.47 | Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, she's in App Manager...where in app manager is the repositories? |
| 01:43.06 | KotCzarny | click on triangle left of title |
| 01:43.12 | Drizzt321 | ok |
| 01:43.14 | KotCzarny | then tpools > app catalog |
| 01:43.24 | KotCzarny | and it's there |
| 01:43.40 | KotCzarny | you can add/edit them |
| 01:48.52 | smackpotato | what keeps the display lit in nokia 770 |
| 01:48.54 | Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, I hate being family phone tech support |
| 01:49.04 | KotCzarny | drizzt: keep faith |
| 01:49.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:49.08 | Drizzt321 | I'm trying |
| 01:49.17 | KotCzarny | at least you can scream at them |
| 01:49.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:49.20 | Drizzt321 | sometimes I have to keep myself from screaming |
| 01:49.40 | smackpotato | i made a small program to do fake mouse clicks. it failed |
| 01:49.54 | KotCzarny | smack: probably dbus messaging |
| 01:50.11 | KotCzarny | but as i said, look at mplayer sources |
| 01:50.45 | Drizzt321 | I asked her to go to the menu...and she just read me what was on the main screen of the app manager. |
| 01:51.01 | KotCzarny | that menu is 'hidden' |
| 01:51.04 | Drizzt321 | yea, I know |
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| 01:52.04 | soto | Does Microb support MathML by default (or otherwise)/ |
| 01:52.07 | soto | ? |
| 01:52.46 | KotCzarny | try it? |
| 01:53.11 | soto | I went to a page and it seemed not to work. Don't have a wireless connection right now to check further. |
| 01:53.25 | KotCzarny | then probably it doesn't |
| 01:53.26 | KotCzarny | for now |
| 01:54.04 | soto | That was unhelpful :( |
| 01:54.11 | soto | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/configs/mozconfiggtk2mini?root=browser&rev=822&view=markup |
| 01:54.18 | soto | ^ It seems like it is enabled? |
| 01:54.46 | KotCzarny | scm is development tree i guess |
| 01:55.06 | soto | KotCzarny: It's not bleeding edge. 5 months ago. |
| 01:55.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:55.12 | soto | In trunk |
| 01:55.26 | KotCzarny | and package was from when? |
| 01:55.50 | soto | It has been updated within the last 5 months, definitely. |
| 01:56.04 | KotCzarny | then how is that trunk is older than package? |
| 01:56.35 | soto | KotCzarny: It's a single file. Not all files are updated every revision. |
| 01:56.39 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 01:56.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:09.29 | KotCzarny | perv |
| 02:09.31 | lcuk_3 | last week canada farted, today the smell reaches us ;) |
| 02:10.14 | KotCzarny | free methane! |
| 02:11.53 | Drizzt321 | finally she has it. thanks for the help KotCzarny! |
| 02:11.57 | lcuk_3 | i actually imagine the canadian mounties flying over on hang-gliders but then again my sense of humour is a bit wonky |
| 02:11.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:12.19 | Drizzt321 | maybe I should just get one myself so I can make sure I know exactly what she is seeing |
| 02:12.34 | KotCzarny | drizzt: i believe screenshots will be enough |
| 02:12.40 | KotCzarny | there's a nice app to do it |
| 02:12.48 | Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, but she would have no clue how to do that |
| 02:12.49 | KotCzarny | has delayed mode too |
| 02:12.49 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 02:13.09 | KotCzarny | yeah, i figured out getting resulting file could be problematic |
| 02:13.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 02:13.25 | KotCzarny | unless you install ssh on her tablet |
| 02:13.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:13.41 | lcuk_3 | but she will have to reflash first |
| 02:13.42 | KotCzarny | and get it yourself ;) |
| 02:13.47 | KotCzarny | will she? |
| 02:14.16 | lcuk_3 | i believe so. and the windows flasher tool is broken on her vista machine. she will have to install linux as well |
| 02:14.40 | KotCzarny | lcuk: methane got you |
| 02:14.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:27.38 | mchang | greetings |
| 02:27.43 | mchang | anyone around tonight? |
| 02:30.37 | smackpotato | tools application cadalog |
| 02:31.20 | smackpotato | hi |
| 02:33.31 | mchang | hey smack |
| 02:34.41 | smackpotato | whats up |
| 02:35.57 | mchang | mostly being idle |
| 02:36.01 | mchang | :) |
| 02:36.16 | mchang | been in and out of here looking for ppl doing actual dev on the n800 :) |
| 02:36.57 | KotCzarny | you've been at the wrong time then |
| 02:36.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:37.46 | smackpotato | k i just made my first small program today so i wont be much help |
| 02:38.17 | mchang | lol... i'm working on my first programs for the device the past couple days too |
| 02:38.17 | mchang | we are not going to be helpful for each other :) |
| 02:39.13 | lcuk_3 | you can be more helpful than you think |
| 02:39.28 | lcuk_3 | talk about what you discover along the way |
| 02:39.42 | KotCzarny | and take notes |
| 02:39.47 | KotCzarny | and publish tehm |
| 02:39.47 | mchang | i have been posting to maemo-dev |
| 02:39.47 | mchang | a couple messages here and there |
| 02:39.48 | KotCzarny | them |
| 02:40.05 | mchang | KotCzarny: yup, that's what the internal trac system/wiki is for |
| 02:40.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:40.21 | KotCzarny | internal? |
| 02:40.26 | KotCzarny | then it's of no use |
| 02:40.46 | mchang | well, i'm posting stuff as it gets useful |
| 02:41.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:41.09 | lcuk_3 | im goin 2 bed, nite folks |
| 02:41.32 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 02:41.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:41.43 | mchang | :) |
| 02:41.53 | mchang | well, i'll ask my question... anyone use much gstreamer stuff? |
| 02:42.34 | KotCzarny | for now i would like to use direct hw banging |
| 02:42.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:43.14 | mchang | KotCzarny: so, how do you get audio in and out? alsa? oss-media-server? |
| 02:43.23 | KotCzarny | erm? |
| 02:43.49 | KotCzarny | alsa/esd/esddsp/gst |
| 02:44.05 | mchang | ah, ok. |
| 02:44.06 | KotCzarny | as soon as i learn dsptasks i will use them direcyly |
| 02:44.08 | KotCzarny | directly |
| 02:44.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:44.36 | mchang | i just posted this to dev... but the volume of the mic input seems really low post wavenc using gst |
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| 03:23.38 | cLin | does anyone use a car mount for their tablet? |
| 03:24.18 | KotCzarny | superglue + velcro? |
| 03:24.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:25.06 | Tama^2 | eheh |
| 03:25.39 | KotCzarny | this way it can be mounted on driving wheel.. |
| 03:25.41 | KotCzarny | mm |
| 03:25.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:26.00 | KotCzarny | can be dangerous though |
| 03:26.01 | KotCzarny | (; |
| 03:26.11 | KotCzarny | ie. watching while driving |
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| 03:26.17 | Tama^2 | I am not entirely sure it is something I would advice |
| 03:26.21 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 03:26.26 | KotCzarny | 'advise' |
| 03:26.30 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 03:26.41 | Tama^2 | right right |
| 03:26.58 | KotCzarny | in briton english |
| 03:27.10 | KotCzarny | in amo english your version is correct |
| 03:27.11 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 03:27.30 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 03:28.03 | modebit | Hello |
| 03:28.13 | Tama^2 | now that you mention it I suspect it may be wrong either way |
| 03:28.18 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 03:28.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:28.23 | KotCzarny | probably |
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| 03:36.03 | cLin | anyone use maemo mapper inhere? |
| 03:36.22 | KotCzarny | 'uses' |
| 03:36.35 | cLin | are you ever sitting in the car for a while and havethis happen |
| 03:36.36 | cLin | http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2617/screenshot01lg2.jpg |
| 03:36.43 | cLin | where the gps sort of trails off course? |
| 03:36.54 | KotCzarny | i don't have gps |
| 03:36.54 | cLin | i was sitting in a gas station waiting for a car to finish when i noticed that |
| 03:36.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:37.05 | cLin | ok, anyone with a gps using maemo mapper in here? :P |
| 03:37.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:38.10 | KotCzarny | may be just a disturbance in the force |
| 03:38.11 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 03:38.37 | modebit | It is an interesting deviation |
| 03:38.45 | derf | GPS doesn't work very well when you're stationary. |
| 03:38.47 | KotCzarny | or interesting driving |
| 03:38.48 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:39.04 | derf | Especially when you're under a huge canopy obscuring the sky, such as at a gas station. |
| 03:39.12 | cLin | i wasn't under it though |
| 03:39.26 | KotCzarny | maybe under influence? |
| 03:39.28 | cLin | i was in thesun waiting for the damn car in front me of to hurry up |
| 03:39.29 | cLin | haha |
| 03:40.16 | modebit | Has anyone successfully installed the ESbox plugin for Eclipse? |
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| 03:42.46 | KotCzarny | .ni ? |
| 03:42.55 | KotCzarny | i want a domain there :> |
| 03:44.20 | Prez00_ | nicaragua |
| 03:44.48 | KotCzarny | how much registering domain here costs? |
| 03:44.58 | Prez00_ | i probably have the only n800 in the whole country, haha |
| 03:45.29 | Prez00_ | $50/year, I think, last time i registered domain here was about 8 years ago... |
| 03:45.36 | modebit | I was going to say. |
| 03:45.36 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 03:45.44 | KotCzarny | quite costly |
| 03:46.00 | cLin | anyone know of any sites i can download POIs from for maemo mapper? |
| 03:46.01 | Prez00_ | yep |
| 03:46.06 | KotCzarny | Registration Fee for most domains: $ 259.00 |
| 03:46.08 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 03:48.44 | KotCzarny | i should get me some nice domain |
| 03:49.16 | KotCzarny | Nicaragua has around 171,600 Telephone lines and 90,000 Internet users |
| 03:49.18 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 03:51.13 | Prez00_ | i think that 90K figure might be dated |
| 03:51.14 | KotCzarny | but i think this information is outdated |
| 03:51.18 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 03:51.21 | Prez00_ | should be a bit more than that |
| 03:53.48 | Prez00_ | so any interesting updates to N800 lately? |
| 03:54.38 | KotCzarny | define 'interesting' |
| 03:54.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:55.03 | Prez00_ | basically new |
| 03:55.10 | KotCzarny | define 'new' |
| 03:55.12 | Prez00_ | haha |
| 03:55.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:55.35 | KotCzarny | i assume you know about os2008 ? |
| 03:55.38 | Prez00_ | I am not at very latest firmware, as I understand it was only a minor bug fix |
| 03:55.48 | Brains | I installed nethack earlier.. That counts as interesting, right? |
| 03:55.48 | Prez00_ | yeah, am at os2008 |
| 03:55.56 | Prez00_ | what's nethack? |
| 03:56.03 | KotCzarny | kind of roguelike game |
| 03:56.04 | Prez00_ | let me look it up |
| 03:56.24 | KotCzarny | but has kitchen sink :P |
| 03:57.47 | Brains | I think the lack of knowledge of rogue/nethack should be grounds for nokia seizure... |
| 03:58.13 | KotCzarny | or any computer like device |
| 03:58.15 | KotCzarny | in that matter |
| 03:58.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:58.23 | Prez00_ | lol |
| 03:59.56 | Prez00_ | is there something that can point out wifi networks with a beep or something, like warn when there are open networks in range? |
| 04:00.48 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 04:07.56 | Prez00_ | kismet on n800 would be great |
| 04:09.27 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:18.30 | Brains | The kismet guy (dagorn?) apparently has it working and, once sorted out, a release should be in the works. Check the blog on the kismet site. |
| 04:19.46 | KotCzarny | desktop-backgrounds package isn't open source? |
| 04:19.47 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 04:20.18 | KotCzarny | gnuchess too? |
| 04:20.20 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 04:20.38 | KotCzarny | ah. sorry |
| 04:20.40 | KotCzarny | wrong column |
| 04:20.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 05:23.30 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4203 |
| 05:23.34 | KotCzarny | not bad |
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| 07:05.03 | cLin | where is everyone |
| 07:06.30 | KotCzarny | watching adf demos |
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| 07:07.43 | christefano | is anyone running GnuPG on maemo? |
| 07:07.52 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 07:09.54 | Proteous | always so helpful |
| 07:10.17 | KotCzarny | could be worse |
| 07:10.32 | Proteous | always |
| 07:10.45 | Proteous | there could be no sarcasm |
| 07:10.53 | Proteous | then it would be much much worse |
| 07:11.35 | KotCzarny | there's always irony for a backup |
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| 07:19.29 | truls | hm, considering the time since last i checked, it's probably available |
| 07:19.41 | christefano | truls: I found a version for OS 2006 but so far I haven't seen anything newer |
| 07:19.56 | truls | ok |
| 07:20.27 | christefano | http://www.cs.cornell.edu/zlt/maemo/gnupg_1.4.3_arm.deb |
| 07:20.52 | KotCzarny | 1.4.8 is newest |
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| 07:22.00 | christefano | thanks, but I just said it wasn't new :P |
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| 07:24.53 | KotCzarny | i bet it compiles without a problem |
| 07:24.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:37.54 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 07:37.56 | KotCzarny | compiled ok |
| 07:37.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:38.46 | KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/1/20/gnupg-1.4.8/g10# ./gpg --version |
| 07:38.46 | KotCzarny | gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.8 |
| 07:38.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:39.31 | truls | compile != deb-package available :) |
| 07:39.40 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 07:39.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:39.50 | KotCzarny | i'm a slackware man |
| 07:39.59 | KotCzarny | i don't need no deb-packages :) |
| 07:40.38 | KotCzarny | have you got extras enabled? |
| 07:40.38 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 07:42.29 | KotCzarny | All 27 tests passed |
| 07:42.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 07:46.20 | christefano | KotCzarny: are you compiling GnuPG? |
| 07:46.31 | KotCzarny | it finished already |
| 07:46.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:46.43 | KotCzarny | and i did make check too |
| 07:46.46 | christefano | bwaaa |
| 07:46.56 | KotCzarny | seems to work out-of-the-box |
| 07:47.19 | KotCzarny | grab the sdk and start compiling/packaging :) |
| 07:47.30 | KotCzarny | there's even lazy-people vmware image |
| 07:47.39 | KotCzarny | that's ready to go in windows |
| 07:47.44 | christefano | at the moment that would be me |
| 07:48.05 | christefano | does it work only in Windows? |
| 07:48.07 | christefano | shudder |
| 07:48.10 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 07:48.17 | KotCzarny | vmware isn't windows bound |
| 07:48.58 | christefano | so "it's ready to go in Windows" was a nonsequitur? :) |
| 07:49.16 | KotCzarny | can be substituted ready to go in linux too |
| 07:49.21 | christefano | woohoo |
| 07:49.27 | KotCzarny | but if you use linux just grab sdk |
| 07:49.35 | KotCzarny | installation is 2 scripts |
| 07:49.37 | christefano | do you have a URL for the image? |
| 07:49.50 | KotCzarny | just google maemo sdk vmware |
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| 07:50.16 | christefano | righto |
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| 07:51.57 | christefano | it will take a few hours for this to download. in the meantime, can the SDK create a deb package? |
| 07:52.14 | KotCzarny | if the source is debianized, yes |
| 07:52.24 | KotCzarny | if not you will need to create a file or two |
| 07:52.31 | KotCzarny | containig description etc |
| 07:52.53 | KotCzarny | i bet you could use the debian/ dir from 1.4.3 |
| 07:53.09 | KotCzarny | then it's a simple one command co build deb package from the source |
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| 07:53.52 | KotCzarny | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:53.58 | christefano | darn it. that is easy. |
| 07:54.09 | KotCzarny | ^ command to build |
| 07:54.34 | KotCzarny | yeah, only needs some maintenance work, like checking dependencies etc |
| 07:54.35 | christefano | well, I did get this N810 because it was an open device |
| 07:54.42 | christefano | I'd might as well dive in |
| 07:54.54 | KotCzarny | sure you should |
| 07:55.00 | KotCzarny | part of the fun is creating |
| 07:55.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:56.10 | christefano | is this channel logged? |
| 07:56.15 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 07:56.38 | christefano | in that case, I won't shout at the top of my lungs how frickin cool this is and how much I love you |
| 07:56.44 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 07:57.00 | KotCzarny | but i haven't created all those tools and howtos |
| 07:57.45 | christefano | the howto by GeneralAntiles was pretty darn helpful |
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| 08:17.05 | legind | is there a changelog for the latest OS2008? |
| 08:17.12 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 08:17.51 | legind | my n800 keeps randomly shutting down - wondering if this latest revision will fix it |
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| 08:18.57 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 08:19.21 | KotCzarny | it can't get any worse (and flashing is 99.9% safe) |
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| 08:23.27 | legind | yeah |
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| 08:32.19 | rm_you | legind: mine does the same thing |
| 08:32.33 | rm_you | seems like since i upgraded to 2008 |
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| 08:32.45 | legind | rm_you, which release are you using? |
| 08:32.46 | rm_you | i'm on the newest now, and it seems to happen still |
| 08:32.51 | legind | blah |
| 08:33.05 | rm_you | though i think my issue MAY be connected to a hardware problem? |
| 08:33.10 | rm_you | but i can't be certain |
| 08:33.14 | KotCzarny | rm_you: disabling hw watchdog doesn't help? |
| 08:33.48 | rm_you | KotCzarny: have not tried it... i was going to, but people said i would just end up with a white screen and a locked up machine |
| 08:33.53 | KotCzarny | or at least changing grace period |
| 08:33.57 | rm_you | instead of a rebooting one |
| 08:34.07 | KotCzarny | 60sec is quite a short time |
| 08:34.16 | KotCzarny | 5minutes could be reasonable |
| 08:34.22 | rm_you | also, this problem is actually a SHUTDOWN, i was under the impression that watchdog did a reboot |
| 08:34.29 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:34.33 | rm_you | how would i change that? |
| 08:34.44 | KotCzarny | probably some /proc or /sys file |
| 08:34.48 | rm_you | also, i've had it shutdown right in the middle of playing music |
| 08:34.53 | rm_you | >_> |
| 08:35.03 | rm_you | like, i was clicking things on it, and it was responding |
| 08:35.04 | rm_you | >_> |
| 08:35.48 | KotCzarny | mine rebooted once or twice, but only after i did something stupid as root |
| 08:35.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 08:42.20 | lardman | morning all |
| 08:42.28 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 08:43.23 | KotCzarny | lardman, what were you hacking? |
| 08:43.33 | lardman | nah, been on holiday in Oz |
| 08:43.42 | KotCzarny | pity. |
| 08:43.49 | lardman | why's that? |
| 08:43.55 | KotCzarny | i've thought you will come back with gifts |
| 08:43.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 08:44.27 | lardman | no, not a computer in sight, was nice after the first few days getting over the lack-of-information |
| 08:44.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:44.44 | koshi_ | Hmm, been trying to find out a possibility of using a usb to vga with n8x0 but so far failed miserably, anyone know anything about it? |
| 08:44.56 | KotCzarny | you could have gotten gcc with you on nokia :) |
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| 08:45.18 | lardman | no way, tried that on the Zaurus and it was far too slow |
| 08:45.42 | KotCzarny | gcc or usbvga? |
| 08:45.47 | lardman | I did watch some movies on the n810 though, which I'd never done before |
| 08:45.52 | lardman | KotCzarny: gcc |
| 08:45.59 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 08:46.15 | KotCzarny | i ran some gcc compilations on n800 |
| 08:46.27 | KotCzarny | worked reasonably |
| 08:46.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:46.37 | KotCzarny | (comparing to p3@566) |
| 08:46.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:46.41 | lardman | :) |
| 08:46.56 | inz | I guess it depends also on what you compile |
| 08:46.57 | lardman | the n8x0 have enough memory, I think that was a major pain on the Zaurus |
| 08:47.28 | inz | Compiling cmake on n8x0 might take a while |
| 08:47.40 | KotCzarny | another way is ssh :> |
| 08:47.49 | inz | IIRC g++ was taking at least half-a-gig at some point |
| 08:47.55 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 08:48.19 | KotCzarny | i remember doing -O3 on some uae package |
| 08:48.26 | lardman | I've heard people complaining about certain cities not being in the map app, and never really paid it much attention, but Adelaide isn't in there, and it's in a different timezone which was a pita |
| 08:48.34 | KotCzarny | eated +700mb ram and my swap ran out |
| 08:48.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:48.45 | lardman | s/map app/world map time app |
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| 08:50.12 | KotCzarny | *ate |
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| 08:54.16 | lardman | ~lart unreadable SD cards with all my holiday photos on them |
| 08:54.17 | infobot | send killer squirrels to attack unreadable SD cards with all my holiday photos on them |
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| 09:00.20 | christefano | KotCzarny: my download of the SDK is only 1/3 done. did you by chance make a deb package? |
| 09:00.42 | KotCzarny | christefano: nope, i'm watching old ami demos |
| 09:00.49 | KotCzarny | and going to sleep |
| 09:00.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:00.55 | christefano | ah, excellent |
| 09:01.02 | christefano | sleep does a body good |
| 09:01.07 | KotCzarny | yeah.. |
| 09:02.03 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:06.28 | Spakman | hello everyone |
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| 09:19.39 | lardman | has there been a new chinook release in the past few weeks |
| 09:19.40 | lardman | ? |
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| 09:20.27 | X-Fade | lardman: Nope, only the boot fix. |
| 09:20.54 | lardman | is that the thing that was stopping some n810s from starting up, depending on the hw rev? |
| 09:21.01 | X-Fade | yep. |
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| 09:21.14 | lardman | what was the cause, or were we not told? |
| 09:21.30 | X-Fade | Timing issue in bringing the OMAP up.. |
| 09:21.35 | X-Fade | Bootloader fix.. |
| 09:21.47 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 09:22.17 | X-Fade | Only the bootloader needs to be flashed for that. It is a full FIASCO image, but nothing else changed.. |
| 09:22.39 | lardman | I've got old hw anyway, just interested to know what was tweaked |
| 09:24.53 | X-Fade | lardman: Meanwhile we have been working on a maemo extras autobuilder, would you like help beta test it? |
| 09:25.32 | lardman | I'm happy to help, but not immediately. Going to be pretty busy catching up for a while |
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| 09:25.54 | X-Fade | Hehe, I can imagine ;) |
| 09:26.16 | lardman | what autobuilder are you using? |
| 09:26.41 | X-Fade | http://bifh.org/wiki/sbdmock |
| 09:27.04 | X-Fade | Instructions for maemo extras BuildME: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?BuildMe&id=602&type=g |
| 09:27.51 | hrw | hi lardman |
| 09:28.00 | lardman | cool, I'll have a read once I've got through my email backlog :( |
| 09:28.07 | lardman | hey hrw, how are you |
| 09:28.22 | hrw | lardman: fine when Mira allows us to sleep during night |
| 09:31.21 | lardman | hrw: new addition to the family? |
| 09:31.59 | hrw | yes |
| 09:32.06 | lardman | congratulations :) |
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| 09:32.17 | hrw | thx |
| 09:32.41 | hrw | lardman: toomrrow she will be 3weeks old |
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| 09:33.28 | lardman | :) |
| 09:33.29 | timely | congrats |
| 09:34.16 | hrw | thx htx |
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| 09:44.25 | X-Fade | Hmm now that Silverlight is supposed to be coming to the tablet, will we see VC-1 support too? :) |
| 09:44.43 | timely | they aren't related |
| 09:44.51 | timely | and we couldn't comment unless it was announced |
| 09:45.04 | timely | but one would assume that vc-1 was something people wanted to do.. |
| 09:45.12 | timely | they're different people of course |
| 09:46.54 | X-Fade | Well, Silverlight is announce here: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1197788 |
| 09:47.19 | X-Fade | And Silverlight uses VC-1 as video format, but yeah.. |
| 09:47.29 | timely | btw, did microsoft say it was making the port or did nokia say it was doing it? |
| 09:48.17 | X-Fade | There is only info about Silverlight on S60. That is being done by Microsoft.. |
| 09:48.31 | X-Fade | "Microsoft will demonstrate Silverlight on S60 during the opening keyote at Microsoft's MIX08 conference on March 5 in Las Vegas." |
| 09:48.48 | timely | oh right |
| 09:49.01 | timely | it's a security feature, i think |
| 09:49.15 | X-Fade | "Espoo, Finland - Nokia today announced plans to make Microsoft Silverlight available for S60 on Symbian OS, the world's leading smartphone software(1), as well as for Series 40 devices and Nokia Internet tablets." |
| 09:49.38 | X-Fade | But that is just an announcement, no details on implementation. |
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| 09:50.42 | timely | eh |
| 09:50.58 | timely | "Microsoft Silverlight available for ... Nokia Internet tablets will be confirmed later" |
| 09:51.14 | jaska_ | not that id want to have anything to do with silverlight :) |
| 09:51.27 | timely | X-Fade: you didn't read the annoucement carefully enough :)\ |
| 09:51.53 | X-Fade | timely: 'availability' |
| 09:52.07 | timely | traNS TYPING IS hard :) |
| 09:52.28 | timely | but theoretically it could be denied later, no ? :) |
| 09:52.33 | X-Fade | timely: So that is just when the announce 'it is available now' ;) |
| 09:52.37 | aquatix | timely: yeah |
| 09:52.41 | X-Fade | Sure :) |
| 09:53.12 | timely | anyway, i think based on the way it's written, that for now, i'll work under the assumption that ms will do the port |
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| 09:53.34 | aquatix | there will be a linux port too |
| 09:53.42 | aquatix | so maybe that is going to be ported to maemo then |
| 09:53.43 | timely | "too"? |
| 09:53.54 | timely | more likely, yes |
| 09:54.04 | aquatix | timely: yeah, as in "port to OS-X, S60 etc" |
| 09:54.12 | aquatix | and ``linux too'' |
| 09:54.12 | X-Fade | aquatix: I don't think they talk about the Mono port here.. |
| 09:54.21 | aquatix | oh, was that a mono thing |
| 09:54.23 | aquatix | ew |
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| 09:54.32 | aquatix | not surprising though |
| 09:55.05 | X-Fade | aquatix: Mono's implementation of Silverlight is already available for linux.. |
| 09:55.14 | aquatix | oh |
| 09:55.40 | X-Fade | timely: Yeah, I like firmware updates better. |
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| 09:58.49 | sp3000 | someone should make a compiler that consumes press releases and we're set |
| 09:59.17 | jaska_ | and outputs what? |
| 09:59.24 | aquatix | ooh, code generation from press releases |
| 09:59.30 | aquatix | that will be interesting to watch |
| 10:02.04 | aquatix | but i guess you will get some vista-lookalike, only with the bloat they promised earlier on |
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| 12:22.30 | pupnik_ | why is internal mmc2 on the n810 vfat anyway... |
| 12:22.51 | jaska_ | compatibility with windows hosts using it as a storage device id assume |
| 12:22.54 | johnx | so it can be read by windows over usb? |
| 12:22.58 | pupnik_ | oh duh. thanks |
| 12:23.00 | glass | jaska_: my guess as well |
| 12:23.10 | pupnik_ | i forgot people use windows |
| 12:23.52 | johnx | yeah, over time I slowly end up with all my usb sticks formatted ext2/3, then I need to format vfat them before I can bring them over to a friend's house... |
| 12:27.14 | lardman | What happens to SD cards to make them unreadable? Not just the filesystem being knackered as fsck.vfat is not interested, and the fdisk shows the partition is present |
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| 12:27.53 | derf | lardman: N810? |
| 12:28.03 | johnx | tell fsck.vfat to check anyways and be verbose |
| 12:28.04 | X-Fade | lardman: Use one of those photo retrieval applications on the SD card.. |
| 12:28.06 | johnx | I bet it finds problems |
| 12:28.16 | lardman | derf: no, digital camera actually, but I seem to remember people having troubles with the N800 |
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| 12:28.31 | derf | Well, on the N800 the kernel driver sucked big time. |
| 12:28.48 | johnx | sd drivers on mobile linux have always seemed kind ... off |
| 12:28.48 | lardman | X-Fade: yeah, recovered some blobs of data but they are not all there |
| 12:29.03 | lardman | X-Fade: the blobs are only partial |
| 12:29.08 | johnx | dd that thing and start wachking on it with a hex editor I guess :/ |
| 12:29.09 | aquatix | johnx: on handhelds in general i think |
| 12:29.19 | X-Fade | lardman: Before you do anything. dd the entrire partition to a file.. |
| 12:29.25 | lardman | john_: yeah |
| 12:29.29 | X-Fade | Ehm, yeah.. slow.. |
| 12:29.31 | lardman | X-Fade: yep I've done that |
| 12:29.40 | lardman | When using dd, do I need to set the bs parameter? |
| 12:30.32 | johnx | it's my understanding that you only need to start setting parameters on dd if your source has errors. Can someone confirm that? |
| 12:30.47 | pupnik_ | i've heard that too... conv,sync etc |
| 12:31.01 | X-Fade | Setting block size can speed up the copy.. |
| 12:31.42 | lardman | but nothing other than that? |
| 12:32.10 | johnx | you start needing weird things if you have I/O errors on the source |
| 12:32.44 | derf | Well, by default dd will skip blocks it can't read... but it doesn't write anything in their place. |
| 12:32.45 | johnx | but otherwise I've always just done dd if=/dev/hda1 of=filesystem.img and had no problems |
| 12:33.08 | derf | So if you miss one block in the middle, nothing after it is where it's supposed to be. |
| 12:33.16 | lardman | ok, I did as johnx says |
| 12:33.21 | derf | Hence conv, sync, etc. |
| 12:33.23 | anders_ | If there are io errors, there is a program called ddrescue that handles it better if there are errors. |
| 12:33.57 | johnx | I bet you just have a corrupted fs though |
| 12:34.10 | lardman | shouldn't fsck fix that though? |
| 12:34.44 | johnx | use fsck.vfat and force it to check and be verbose |
| 12:34.56 | johnx | the fs might be *marked* clean, but not really be clean |
| 12:35.27 | lardman | no, fsck actually fails as it can't read the device |
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| 12:35.33 | johnx | aaaah |
| 12:35.53 | johnx | when you said "fsck has no interest" I thought you mean it didn't want to check because it thought the fs was clean :) |
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| 12:35.58 | lardman | I used sdrecover and it recovers the start of each jpeg |
| 12:36.15 | lardman | johnx: sorry, I should have been specific |
| 12:36.22 | johnx | what is fsck giving you for an error and what is in your dmesg |
| 12:36.23 | johnx | ? |
| 12:36.38 | johnx | and how much do you care about the contents? |
| 12:36.45 | lardman | I've not got the box in front of me atm, will copy data down at lunch |
| 12:36.51 | lardman | photos from my holiday |
| 12:37.54 | johnx | how big is the card? |
| 12:37.57 | lardman | 2Gb |
| 12:38.16 | lardman | though my dd only returned ~915Mb |
| 12:38.21 | johnx | ugh |
| 12:38.43 | lardman | card wasn't full though |
| 12:38.57 | johnx | it should give you a full bit for bit copy |
| 12:39.12 | lardman | yeah, that's what I feared |
| 12:39.37 | johnx | dd isn't "clever" if it sees a 1 in the source it prints a 1 in the output, then slides over to the next bit |
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| 12:40.19 | johnx | so dd printed a scary error message? |
| 12:40.37 | lardman | no, dd just ran and produced less data than I expected |
| 12:40.50 | johnx | hmm...very odd |
| 12:41.02 | X-Fade | dmesg? |
| 12:41.09 | johnx | you ran it against the partition or the device? |
| 12:41.13 | lardman | device |
| 12:41.31 | johnx | zuh, that's pretty slick actually :D |
| 12:41.44 | lardman | hang fire for 15min and I'll head home then I can actually answer with the data in front of me |
| 12:41.50 | zuh | johnx: Beats the dull gray at least :) |
| 12:42.01 | johnx | sure, I'll be on for a bit at least |
| 12:42.02 | aquatix | zuh: looks pretty good :) |
| 12:42.12 | lardman | johnx: cheers |
| 12:42.18 | aquatix | only the little holes aren't black? |
| 12:43.05 | zuh | Those are a bit problematic, and I don't like them currently. Some of them actually filled up, but since most didn't I just poked them open. |
| 12:43.20 | aquatix | hm, that sucks indeed |
| 12:43.29 | aquatix | spray paint? |
| 12:43.32 | zuh | Yeah |
| 12:44.10 | aquatix | nice |
| 12:44.59 | pupnik | like the emperor with his clothes? |
| 12:45.15 | zuh | I don't really use the speakers so I wouldn't mind filling them up, but then again, I think that's the only method of any extenral cooling so dunno if it would have a negative effect on lifespan... |
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| 12:45.47 | aquatix | zuh: good point |
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| 12:46.03 | pupnik | wow looks nice zuh |
| 12:46.10 | aquatix | cooling is also done through the plastic itself i guess, but having some airholes will be handy ;) |
| 12:46.13 | pupnik | real paint or gimp'd? |
| 12:46.32 | aquatix | pupnik: spray paint |
| 12:46.32 | zuh | It's real |
| 12:46.35 | pupnik | sorry aquatix - thought you were talking about a protective case |
| 12:46.50 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 12:46.59 | aquatix | nah, have the default sleeve |
| 12:47.00 | zuh | pupnik: You can look closely for my crappy edge finishes to verify ;) |
| 12:47.05 | aquatix | it's quite nice too ;) |
| 12:47.19 | aquatix | zuh: hey, it's better than i would manage ;) |
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| 12:50.07 | zuh | At least now my device is very unlikely to be mistaken to the ones at the office |
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| 12:52.19 | SDuensin | Morning. |
| 12:53.03 | johnx | mornin' |
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| 12:59.44 | aquatix | zuh: i'm the only one with an n810 in a wide area :) |
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| 13:01.07 | johnx | aquatix, same here with my n800 :) |
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| 13:11.35 | lardman | johnx: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d40ab9806 is dmesg output when I insert the SD card |
| 13:11.52 | johnx | ick |
| 13:12.05 | lardman | yeah |
| 13:12.21 | aquatix | whoa |
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| 13:12.32 | johnx | well, definitely fire ddrescue at it pronto |
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| 13:12.35 | aquatix | hm, Harware Error? |
| 13:13.21 | X-Fade | Zapped by airport security? :) |
| 13:13.58 | johnx | I wish I knew about ddrescue the last time I did data retrieval... |
| 13:14.33 | lardman | X-Fade: no, just went tits up while I was using the camera |
| 13:14.51 | X-Fade | Ouch. |
| 13:15.19 | johnx | hang on...is it just those 2 sectors O_o |
| 13:15.51 | johnx | ...and maybe a borked partition table or something? |
| 13:15.57 | lardman | johnx: yes, looks like it |
| 13:16.11 | johnx | anyways, image the whole card with ddrescue |
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| 13:16.34 | lardman | ok, just looking at the help |
| 13:19.18 | lardman | well it's running and hasn't reported any errors, yet... |
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| 13:19.56 | johnx | well it will when it gets to 227 and 228, then hopefully it will get the rest of the device |
| 13:20.01 | johnx | that would be *really neat* |
| 13:20.09 | lardman | here come the errors |
| 13:20.55 | lardman | first 724942 kB ok, all errors from here on in from the looks of it |
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| 13:21.10 | johnx | give it time |
| 13:22.04 | lardman | what does it do, keep trying to read the erroneous 'sectors'? |
| 13:22.25 | johnx | I think it skips forward when it hits errors, then runs in reverse |
| 13:22.41 | johnx | the strategy probably makes more sense on a magnetic disk...but worth a shot |
| 13:23.01 | johnx | out of curiosity, do you remember if the camera was running low on batteries when the card died? |
| 13:23.04 | lardman | ok, I've got ~20Mb of errors atm, presumably it might skip past this error region and continue |
| 13:23.19 | lardman | johnx: low but not flat iirc |
| 13:23.29 | johnx | interesting |
| 13:24.12 | johnx | the N800 SDHC killing bug had to do with dropping voltage to cards while they were still writing |
| 13:24.50 | lardman | yep, that was the bit I remembered :( |
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| 13:25.50 | aquatix | johnx: that bug has been fixed? |
| 13:25.54 | lardman | unfortunately it looks like the sector errors stretch further on: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d340fdde1 |
| 13:25.56 | johnx | a loooong time ago |
| 13:26.01 | aquatix | ah, good ;) |
| 13:26.20 | pupnik | it seems to be safe to shutdown mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler |
| 13:28.08 | lardman | when dd(rescue) reads a given sector, is that a physical sector, or is there a wear levelling layer in between? |
| 13:28.45 | johnx | IIRC, the wear leveling happens inside the SD card |
| 13:29.39 | johnx | so that sector number is whatever the card is telling the controller, which then tells the Linux sd driver |
| 13:29.53 | lardman | ok, so I've got ~700Mb recovered at the beginning, would be be reasonable to assume that the photos would be stored at the start of the disk to begin with (ignoring partition tables, etc. at the start) |
| 13:30.16 | lardman | i.e. stored at the start of the partition |
| 13:30.57 | johnx | I *think* that was the situation the last time I did this |
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| 13:39.52 | mbuf | what is required to be installed on OS2007 for N800, for pygst modules? |
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| 13:40.58 | johnx | lardman, yeah stuff is probably close to the beginning |
| 13:41.14 | johnx | lardman, how goes it? |
| 13:41.27 | lardman | still going, 158MB error size now |
| 13:41.49 | lardman | "rescued: 724942 kB, errsize: 159 MB", so a while to go yet |
| 13:43.23 | johnx | alright. I need to catch some sleep. I'll be around tomorrow though. When working on this remember to keep an *absolutely pristine* image and then copy that to somewhere before making changes / running tools |
| 13:43.38 | johnx | if you don't get anywhere with it I can look at it tomorrow |
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| 13:43.50 | lardman | thanks, will let you know how I get on |
| 13:43.56 | johnx | good luck |
| 13:43.59 | johnx | 'night |
| 13:44.01 | lardman | cheers :) night |
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| 14:05.45 | mbuf | OS2007 |
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| 14:39.10 | naxl | \help |
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| 14:59.26 | ihateSymbian | does anyhere have a publisher id for symbian signed????????????? if u do and want $20 pm me |
| 15:00.38 | aquatix | and you're asking in #maemo? |
| 15:01.01 | shackan | hahahaha |
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| 15:07.05 | elb | you can tell he's serious by all the question marks |
| 15:07.16 | ihateSymbian | man im asking everywhere |
| 15:07.20 | ihateSymbian | getting desprate |
| 15:07.58 | elb | you know they sell those legally, right? |
| 15:08.16 | elb | I'm not sure why anyone who legally purchased one would want to violate their terms of service for a measly $20 |
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| 15:09.31 | czr | elb, if they're equally desperate? :-) |
| 15:09.44 | elb | heh |
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| 17:02.50 | Mikho | would somebody know if the usb port in N810 is powered? |
| 17:03.00 | KotCzarny | only 100mA |
| 17:03.43 | Mikho | is it good for anything? |
| 17:03.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 17:04.03 | KotCzarny | keyboard, mouse, maybe some flash memory |
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| 17:04.25 | Mikho | hmm |
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| 17:09.30 | Mikho | so, if I have a rfid reader connected to the usb port with operational power of 120mA, it probably won't work? |
| 17:09.41 | Mikho | hard to tell but... |
| 17:09.43 | KotCzarny | it may |
| 17:09.52 | KotCzarny | but will be out of spec |
| 17:10.23 | Mikho | it's maybe better to look for other options |
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| 17:18.20 | jamey_ | Mikho: what are you using for an rfid reader? |
| 17:18.49 | pupnik | that's a neat project! |
| 17:19.00 | pupnik | rfid reader on tablet++ |
| 17:19.09 | KotCzarny | pf, rfid is evil |
| 17:19.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:19.41 | pupnik | which is why it's cool to be able to detect em |
| 17:19.58 | KotCzarny | and hack'em ? |
| 17:20.10 | Mikho | rfid isn't evil, it's more like chaotic neutral |
| 17:20.13 | KotCzarny | but that will require much more than usb can provide |
| 17:20.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:20.39 | KotCzarny | mikho: imo it's more lawfull evil |
| 17:20.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:20.49 | Mikho | there are lots of things you can do with an rfid reader |
| 17:20.57 | KotCzarny | ie. order used for gains :> |
| 17:21.01 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 17:21.03 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 17:21.26 | KotCzarny | but still, in the end it will be used by B.B. people |
| 17:21.43 | Mikho | I found a stylus shaped bluetooth rfid-reader, but it was something like 600$ |
| 17:21.51 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:22.05 | Mikho | -> out of the question |
| 17:23.12 | pupnik | just build an rfid zapper |
| 17:23.21 | KotCzarny | pupnik: btw. have you tried kick2.0 ? |
| 17:23.34 | KotCzarny | in euae i get lower cpu usage |
| 17:23.34 | pupnik | yes all kicks work for me with the 'run first' method |
| 17:23.45 | pupnik | hmm |
| 17:23.48 | pupnik | ty |
| 17:23.55 | KotCzarny | but i may be wrong |
| 17:24.05 | pupnik | lets work on functionality |
| 17:24.10 | pupnik | optimization later |
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| 17:42.11 | zoran | someone knows the operator of infobot, seen last few days on #maemo? |
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| 17:59.59 | pupnik | i keep forgetting who runs infobot |
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| 18:01.16 | elb | TimRiker |
| 18:01.31 | elb | who we can all thank for being responsible enough to put it in the bot's WHOIS |
| 18:04.39 | acydlord | for the previous convo, rfid isnt evil, it is just being used for evil |
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| 18:11.03 | pupnik | jott: around? |
| 18:11.32 | pupnik | i want someone like inz, fanoush, ssvb, glass, derf to tell me I can compile an sdl app with gcc 4.3 and get better optimization :() |
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| 18:21.37 | lcuk_3 | pup, whether it is sdl or not isnt the point (unless you rebuild sdl with current favorite opts), its whether your code can be optimised by gcc |
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| 18:22.15 | lcuk_3 | actually, do you get any benefit optimizing sdl? |
| 18:22.28 | lcuk_3 | or is the maemo build already nice |
| 18:24.49 | pupnik | lcuk_3: there are some functions that ssvb has investigated which could be improved |
| 18:25.06 | pupnik | however i'm more interested in the profiler and optimizations available in 4.2-4.3 |
| 18:25.09 | lcuk_3 | you mean sdl functions? or within uae |
| 18:25.21 | pupnik | no sdl is just something that has to be linked against |
| 18:25.37 | pupnik | i mean the core app |
| 18:25.45 | lcuk_3 | unless you find optimised versions of the sdl timewasters |
| 18:26.03 | pupnik | eventually everything can bypass sdl |
| 18:26.07 | pupnik | for video updates |
| 18:26.29 | lcuk_3 | are you running 32-64 color (5/6plane) games or are you trying to get HAM mode working? |
| 18:26.38 | pupnik | the only reason i mention it is to indicate that these apps do not link to hildon stuff, so if there are incompatibilities due to gcc 4.3, they would not affect these games |
| 18:26.58 | pupnik | 32-64 |
| 18:26.59 | lcuk_3 | good point |
| 18:27.24 | lcuk_3 | its a shame the LCD doesnt have a 256 color palette mode |
| 18:27.29 | pupnik | yes |
| 18:27.48 | lcuk_3 | you are wasting so much time moving the data around expanding from a small subset into an expanse of data |
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| 18:29.20 | lcuk_3 | this graphics conversion is something the SIMD instructions could possibly handle - or of course you could offload it all to the dsp |
| 18:30.17 | lcuk_3 | will bbl anyways |
| 18:30.32 | pupnik | k cheers |
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| 18:33.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:34.00 | KotCzarny | pupnik: if you get gcc 4.x running and outputting running code it will |
| 18:34.02 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 18:34.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:57.12 | TimRiker | zoran: what's the issue? |
| 18:57.14 | TimRiker | ~owner |
| 18:57.15 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 18:57.25 | TimRiker | ~wantnick infobot |
| 18:58.20 | pupnik | is infobot usable to train for faqs TimRiker ? |
| 18:58.41 | lcuk_3 | "Help me infobot, you're my only hope" |
| 18:59.19 | TimRiker | pupnik: sure. |
| 18:59.46 | TimRiker | the bot is in a ton of channels, so there's already a ton of factoids. |
| 18:59.49 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 18:59.49 | infobot | Since Sun Mar 9 03:58:25 2008, there have been 7 modifications, 174 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 80 commands. I have been awake for 1d 15h 1m 24s this session, and currently reference 114495 factoids. I'm using about 18788 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2953.19/121.49 child 0.02/0.07 |
| 19:01.12 | pupnik | !factoid gronmayer |
| 19:01.44 | jott | pupnik: just tested uae4all seems to run with gcc 4.2.1 |
| 19:01.52 | pupnik | help woo! |
| 19:01.58 | pupnik | -help :) |
| 19:03.15 | KotCzarny | jott: have you built it or installed binaries? |
| 19:03.46 | jott | its the cs toolchain installed from jhakalas debs |
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| 19:05.56 | spirytusick | elou :) |
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| 19:12.35 | TimRiker | pupnik: infobot uses ~ for addressing. |
| 19:12.46 | TimRiker | ~gronmayer |
| 19:12.54 | TimRiker | ~seen pupnik |
| 19:12.57 | infobot | pupnik is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 10m 59s, last said: '-help :)'. |
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| 19:14.35 | pupnik | ty |
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| 19:15.52 | pupnik | ~gronmayer |
| 19:15.53 | infobot | hmm... gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 19:16.03 | pupnik | great |
| 19:17.00 | KotCzarny | ~pupnik |
| 19:17.00 | infobot | hmm... pupnik is testing infobot |
| 19:17.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:17.54 | lcuk_3 | ~seen infobot |
| 19:17.55 | infobot | infobot is currently on #cwxtesting #utos #maemo #fredlug #opensimpad.org #android #asterisk-bugs # #wowhead #infobot #lugot #mseide #wowwiki, last said: 'TimRiker meant: fixing it now to not msg if there was no edit. Cool!'. |
| 19:18.10 | lcuk_3 | stalking! |
| 19:19.36 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.44 | KotCzarny | not bad for a wrt54g ;) |
| 19:20.57 | lmoura | is there any way to check the hildon-desktop output when loading an applet on the device? (It works in scratchbox) |
| 19:21.57 | KotCzarny | lmoura: run it from xterm |
| 19:22.17 | lcuk_3 | and make sure you rebuilt it totally for arm |
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| 19:23.22 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 19:23.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:23.27 | KotCzarny | sshfs rulez |
| 19:23.32 | lmoura | it's a python plugin :) |
| 19:23.46 | lmoura | I'm trying to see if the loader is working fine |
| 19:23.56 | pupnik | Killvideo rendered: 3164 emulated 3164 |
| 19:23.57 | pupnik | FPS: 92.87 |
| 19:24.25 | pupnik | sound still broken |
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| 19:26.03 | pupnik | [26080.328125] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 19:26.04 | pupnik | [26084.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 19:26.25 | KotCzarny | powersaving debug, safe to ignore |
| 19:26.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:27.06 | pupnik | ok |
| 19:28.14 | pupnik | WOOHOOOOOO got sound! |
| 19:28.38 | KotCzarny | what app? |
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| 19:28.42 | pupnik | fceu2 |
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| 19:28.51 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 19:28.56 | pupnik | hehehe "bleep bleep" |
| 19:29.01 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 19:29.02 | pupnik | the new NES emulator |
| 19:29.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:29.25 | pupnik | sooo happy |
| 19:30.06 | lcuk_3 | its quite easy to mix c++ with regular c isnt it - as in, i can keep the core code i have written so far in std c and just build an object model up for other stuff in c++ |
| 19:30.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:33.22 | jott | lcuk_3: you may have to use the extern "c" keyword |
| 19:34.05 | lcuk_3 | yer, i can do a merry little dance around all my code, but i dont wanna have to rewrite all of it :) i havent touched ++ for a while but no doubt it will come flooding backl |
| 19:35.36 | KotCzarny | <code>can'ttouchthis</code> |
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| 19:36.38 | lcuk_3 | well the c part has been easy - most of the stuff is single shot - 1 video card, one canvass, 1 book etc. now i want to build the ui and need mutliple elements and that fits the class model better |
| 19:36.53 | jott | s/canvass/canvas/ :) |
| 19:37.27 | KotCzarny | canv-ass |
| 19:37.27 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 19:41.34 | lcuk_3 | if i spell it with one s tho it looks wrong |
| 19:41.48 | KotCzarny | then you need to look at it more |
| 19:42.00 | KotCzarny | write on you keyboard or monitor |
| 19:42.11 | lcuk_3 | yes, even the dictionary looks wrong |
| 19:42.12 | KotCzarny | it's called photographic memory |
| 19:42.16 | lcuk_3 | mayybe i should rewrite wikipedia |
| 19:42.40 | KotCzarny | alone against nazipedians? |
| 19:42.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 19:51.45 | ynezz | does anybody knows about some kind of unix socket sniffer or proxy or whatever so I can monitor it's data flow? |
| 19:51.59 | _Shurik_ | tcodump? |
| 19:52.16 | _Shurik_ | tcpdump I mean |
| 19:53.15 | ynezz | hm, good idea |
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| 19:53.37 | pupnik | hah perfect sound sync ... 44khz |
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| 19:54.03 | _Shurik_ | what? you finaly got Crysis running on 770???? |
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| 19:54.17 | pupnik | hi _Shurik_ |
| 19:54.26 | _Shurik_ | heya mega porter :) |
| 19:54.28 | pupnik | oop i just heard a glitch! |
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| 19:54.43 | pupnik | and how can this be? |
| 19:54.53 | pupnik | ... for he is the Quisatz Haderach! |
| 19:55.11 | lcdd | ynezz: tcpflow is also sometimes handy |
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| 19:57.50 | elb | I thought that was Kwisatz |
| 19:58.02 | KotCzarny | depends on translation |
| 19:58.02 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:58.43 | elb | I read it in the original English ;-) |
| 20:02.11 | ynezz | Nokia-N810-51-3:~# tcpdump -w gps_driver_ctrl_socket.tcpdump.txt -i /var/lib/gps/gps_driver_ctrl -X |
| 20:02.15 | ynezz | tcpdump: SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device |
| 20:02.21 | ynezz | hmpf, it don't work |
| 20:02.41 | KotCzarny | http://de.fishki.net/picsw/032008/07/law_and_order/002_law_and_order.jpg |
| 20:02.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:02.52 | KotCzarny | 'doesn't' |
| 20:03.17 | ynezz | ok :) |
| 20:03.26 | KotCzarny | ynezz: i thinkk cat could work? |
| 20:03.38 | ynezz | nope |
| 20:03.42 | KotCzarny | dd? |
| 20:03.44 | ynezz | it's not regular file |
| 20:03.57 | _Shurik_ | chitaem fishki.net? |
| 20:04.07 | KotCzarny | czitajem |
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| 20:09.21 | spirytusick | 'lo :) |
| 20:09.32 | KotCzarny | hi spirytusik |
| 20:09.38 | spirytusick | hey hey Cat :) |
| 20:09.50 | spirytusick | hey pupnik |
| 20:10.49 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: uae working realy nice now :) a lot of stuff is useable or watchable, definitely listenable :) |
| 20:10.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:11.10 | pupnik | new build? |
| 20:11.28 | spirytusick | pupnik: nope :) I suppose it is the same still, i did not update :) |
| 20:11.49 | spirytusick | pupnik: but it is a fun to use already :) |
| 20:11.57 | pupnik | yes, but it must get better |
| 20:11.59 | spirytusick | pupnik: been watching demos all the way to and from work :) |
| 20:12.04 | pupnik | heheh |
| 20:12.07 | spirytusick | pupnik: time and patience I suppose :) |
| 20:12.26 | KotCzarny | spirtusik: 20% easy gain is achievable over my build |
| 20:12.28 | pupnik | and her http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif |
| 20:12.34 | KotCzarny | you can try pupniks one |
| 20:12.44 | KotCzarny | i didn't get around to do gcc profiled build |
| 20:12.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:13.05 | pupnik | problem is my profiled built is not better in all situations |
| 20:13.10 | pupnik | but it's significant in superfrog |
| 20:13.24 | pupnik | tetris is faster too |
| 20:13.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:13.38 | spirytusick | pupnik: and of course a lot of dominatrix driven work :) |
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| 20:14.29 | spirytusick | pupnik: I cannot seem to get the dpad to work on every occassion. What are the mappings exactly ? joy up/down/left/right/fire ? |
| 20:14.43 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: are you still tinkering with it ? |
| 20:14.48 | pupnik | what u mean on every occasion? |
| 20:14.52 | pupnik | for every app? |
| 20:14.54 | KotCzarny | in my build fullscreen button is fire |
| 20:15.11 | KotCzarny | and dpad sends codes for cursors AND joy movements |
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| 20:15.37 | legind | has anyone been having problems using ukmp with the latest os2008? |
| 20:15.38 | spirytusick | pupnik: some of the games I tried did not seem to pick it up. Walker/Unreal/Ivanhoe to be exact |
| 20:16.22 | legind | for me, it finishes loading album covers and the screen simply goes black. I need to use the task button to exit the process |
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| 20:22.57 | lcuk_3 | bad album art? |
| 20:23.10 | lcuk_3 | one bad image could seriously wreck your day |
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| 20:44.28 | legind | lcuk_3, it loaded fine in the previous os2008 |
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| 21:12.30 | lcuk_3 | legind, sorry then was just something i did when switching from scratchbox to real |
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| 21:32.00 | KotCzarny | [252088.984375] onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440 |
| 21:32.00 | KotCzarny | [252088.984375] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock4, sector 137984 |
| 21:32.02 | KotCzarny | O.o |
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| 21:35.28 | spirytusick | internal flash going bye bye ? |
| 21:35.46 | Tama^2 | I doubt it |
| 21:36.07 | spirytusick | or trying to access it too fast ? |
| 21:36.15 | Tama^2 | I am sure it will not happen again (I hope for you it doesn't ;-P) |
| 21:36.32 | KotCzarny | it stops at the same block |
| 21:36.39 | KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 70647808 Mar 11 17:31 m4 |
| 21:36.39 | KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 70647808 Mar 11 17:33 m4.1 |
| 21:36.43 | KotCzarny | at 2 tries |
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| 21:36.47 | Tama^2 | ouch |
| 21:37.12 | Tama^2 | double ouch |
| 21:37.18 | KotCzarny | some kind of bb marking would be nice |
| 21:37.22 | Tama^2 | onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440 |
| 21:37.50 | Tama^2 | Error 0x2440: You are screwed, Sir |
| 21:39.06 | KotCzarny | i think jffs2 would map it as a bb |
| 21:39.16 | KotCzarny | but using dd as a backup tool will fail then |
| 21:39.44 | spirytusick | unless you dd up to the bad block to one file, then dd from first available sec to the second file |
| 21:39.56 | spirytusick | and restore them separately |
| 21:45.38 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:45.49 | KotCzarny | one 128kb block is dead |
| 21:45.50 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 21:46.33 | ds3 | YOU KILLED IT!!!! |
| 21:46.56 | Tama^2 | was his name Kenny? |
| 21:46.59 | KotCzarny | it wasn't me |
| 21:47.05 | Tama^2 | or Robert Poulsen? |
| 21:47.05 | KotCzarny | it was a deadly cosmic ray |
| 21:47.29 | Tama^2 | sure sure, the act of God defence |
| 21:47.31 | KotCzarny | oh, well, at least it's not in the boot area |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:47.38 | KotCzarny | 'defense' |
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| 21:47.50 | Tama^2 | yes, pedantic dude |
| 21:47.55 | Tama^2 | :P |
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| 21:48.05 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: to przez braci kaczynskich, parity error :) |
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| 21:48.16 | KotCzarny | fence is made from wire :P |
| 21:48.36 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.36 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.40 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.42 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:48.49 | Tama^2 | actually |
| 21:48.50 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.54 | spirytusick | hence the fence :) |
| 21:48.56 | Tama^2 | defence is brit. |
| 21:49.02 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:49.05 | Tama^2 | yes |
| 21:49.05 | KotCzarny | defense is brit |
| 21:49.22 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 21:49.23 | Tama^2 | too bad the Oxford dictionary disagrees with you |
| 21:49.26 | KotCzarny | or you may be wight |
| 21:49.29 | KotCzarny | right |
| 21:49.33 | spirytusick | or left :) |
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| 21:49.43 | KotCzarny | oh well |
| 21:49.46 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 21:49.48 | spirytusick | wigh is an island :) |
| 21:49.51 | spirytusick | wight :) |
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| 21:49.57 | KotCzarny | english grammar is a b* anyway |
| 21:49.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:51.14 | ds3 | if it ain't describable with lex and yacc, it ain't worth dealing with :P |
| 21:52.09 | spirytusick | ok codeheads, time to hit the showers and for a keep. see you tommorrow |
| 21:52.15 | KotCzarny | go go |
| 21:52.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:52.21 | spirytusick | :) |
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| 21:52.34 | spirytusick | idu w ... ty juz wiesz gdzie :) |
| 21:52.39 | KotCzarny | ic ic |
| 21:52.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:55.29 | ccooke | it's really nice |
| 21:55.33 | KotCzarny | link? |
| 21:55.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:56.32 | ds3 | hard case? like one that can turn the n810 into a lift back for a truck? |
| 21:56.54 | KotCzarny | http://www.365covers.com/product_info.php?language=en¤cy=USD&products_id=434 |
| 21:56.55 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 21:56.57 | KotCzarny | black |
| 21:57.12 | ccooke | http://youtube.com/watch?v=RWNUW-2snoM |
| 21:58.29 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:58.43 | ccooke | it feels really sturdy |
| 21:58.52 | ccooke | very well padded |
| 21:58.59 | KotCzarny | is it nice to touch? |
| 21:59.04 | ccooke | yes |
| 21:59.17 | ccooke | slightly textured |
| 21:59.20 | KotCzarny | i bet dirt will start getting there |
| 22:00.09 | ccooke | maybe |
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| 22:00.27 | ccooke | no more than any other case |
| 22:00.32 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 22:00.36 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly |
| 22:00.39 | elb | that video is such a waste of bandwidth |
| 22:00.44 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:00.44 | ccooke | also, you can leave the tablet unlocked in it |
| 22:00.51 | KotCzarny | at least it's watchable |
| 22:00.54 | KotCzarny | and not .pps |
| 22:01.27 | KotCzarny | http://www.mobilizenow.com/catalog/Nokia_N800_Vehicle_Mounts_and_Holders_752238.htm |
| 22:01.32 | ccooke | only the buttons are free, which aren't going to be triggered in my shirt pocket, say |
| 22:01.44 | KotCzarny | nokia doesn't have any screw holes |
| 22:01.48 | KotCzarny | i wonder how it works |
| 22:02.02 | KotCzarny | yeah, that's a plus |
| 22:02.58 | ccooke | KotCzarny: it's padded and a tight fit. you push the tablet in and the friction holds it strongly |
| 22:03.18 | ccooke | it'll come out if you hit it hard while open |
| 22:03.49 | ccooke | *verifies* yep |
| 22:04.33 | ccooke | but gravity won't pull it out, and it's fine with moderate taps while being held open and upside down |
| 22:06.16 | ccooke | now all I need is canola to optionally use the external +/- buttons as next/prev |
| 22:06.24 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 22:07.42 | KotCzarny | http://www.compuplus.com/i-Nokia-AD-42W-Stereo-Audio-Gateway-0276236-1009890~.html?sid=018zfbxt6mhz084 |
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| 22:07.54 | KotCzarny | i could use that |
| 22:07.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:08.46 | lcdd | no reason to think it isn't as shitty as the headphone output on n8x0 |
| 22:09.02 | KotCzarny | it connects to hifi equipment |
| 22:09.08 | KotCzarny | quite convenient |
| 22:09.38 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:09.53 | KotCzarny | it works both ways |
| 22:09.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:10.13 | ccooke | lcdd: huh? seems pretty good with decent headphones |
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| 22:10.35 | KotCzarny | http://www.simsimgate.com/cell-phones-pdas/nokia-replica/nokia-n800-style-cell-phone-mobile-phones-with-256mb-card/prod_946.html |
| 22:10.36 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 22:10.41 | KotCzarny | wtf is this? |
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| 22:11.19 | dalonso | Hi people, could someone help me with hildon-application-manager, please? I cannot install anything since some days ago |
| 22:11.36 | dalonso | it always fails without leaving a message in the log |
| 22:11.54 | dalonso | but i can install packages from an ssh session with apt-get |
| 22:12.27 | lcdd | ccooke: it's really noisy with sensitive phones |
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| 22:16.15 | KotCzarny | http://www.shopstormcomputer.com/ssproduct.asp?pf_id=1010846905 |
| 22:16.17 | KotCzarny | nice price |
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| 22:17.46 | lcdd | something opens the audio device even with system sounds disabled. every time a window is closed there's a buzz coming out of the output for a second or so |
| 22:18.36 | lcdd | it gets really annoying when you have earphones plugged in |
| 22:18.48 | KotCzarny | lcdd: turn off system sounds? |
| 22:18.53 | Veggen | dalonso: hmm. have you got "strace" installed? |
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| 22:19.29 | Veggen | when you get no logs, that's often the best bet. |
| 22:19.30 | lcdd | KotCzarny: they are. i'm talking about noise floor on the device, which is audible |
| 22:19.40 | KotCzarny | lcdd: ah, i understand |
| 22:19.46 | KotCzarny | emi |
| 22:19.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:19.58 | lcdd | KotCzarny: when there is no sound being played it's dead silent |
| 22:20.09 | Veggen | and those of us who are daily exposed to badly documented enterprise software learn to appreciate system call tracing ;) |
| 22:20.13 | lcdd | which just means someone is saving power :) |
| 22:20.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:21.39 | dalonso | Veggen, hi, |
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| 22:22.11 | dalonso | Veggen: I just discovered that the problem is that my mmc2 filesystem is readonly |
| 22:22.18 | Veggen | oh. ok. |
| 22:22.30 | dalonso | Veggen: so application-manager cannot dowload packages |
| 22:22.42 | dalonso | but I don't know how this happened |
| 22:23.16 | Veggen | mmm, that often happens when there is a problem with it. I have found it sometimes necessary to fsck it. Which OS version do you have? |
| 22:23.27 | dalonso | 2008 |
| 22:23.37 | KotCzarny | reboot usually fixes it |
| 22:23.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:23.54 | KotCzarny | (cards are checked wwhen mounting) |
| 22:24.02 | KotCzarny | or opening/closing battery cover |
| 22:24.16 | KotCzarny | but this will only work for mmc cards |
| 22:24.51 | dalonso | oops, |
| 22:25.00 | dalonso | I am really silly |
| 22:25.08 | dalonso | the card was write locked |
| 22:25.10 | dalonso | sorry |
| 22:25.11 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:25.41 | dalonso | is working now ;-) Thx |
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| 23:12.45 | f_mohr | i was playing with some usbmicro cables i got today (n810) .. shouldn't the B cable be used to connect the n810 to a pc and the A cable to switch the n810 to host mode? |
| 23:13.02 | KotCzarny | you can switch host mode in software |
| 23:17.20 | f_mohr | i did that before i ordered the cables .. those cables both work only as host mode cables in OTG mode and don't work with the pc (even if i switch modes on the device) |
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| 23:24.07 | smackpotato | whats the latest with the gps |
| 23:24.14 | KotCzarny | 'it sucks' |
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| 23:25.24 | smackpotato | why can it only remember visible satalites for a short time |
| 23:26.03 | smackpotato | after shuting down |
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| 23:27.09 | f_mohr | mine did (30sec to get a fix after 1hr power off) |
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| 23:27.42 | KotCzarny | 30sec is a good result |
| 23:27.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:27.49 | KotCzarny | ppl report 1-2min there |
| 23:27.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:28.37 | f_mohr | but to get an initial fix i usually need 3min |
| 23:28.56 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 23:29.06 | smackpotato | mine has no problem staying on inside once i get a fix |
| 23:30.39 | KotCzarny | anyone tried nokia 3dlw ? |
| 23:30.40 | smackpotato | would nowing what satalites were visible speed it up |
| 23:30.42 | KotCzarny | 3d-lw |
| 23:30.53 | KotCzarny | (it's a sirf iii based bt gps) |
| 23:31.32 | smackpotato | i heard sif iii was awsume |
| 23:31.46 | KotCzarny | google lists it for ~80-90$ |
| 23:32.19 | KotCzarny | Accuracy Typical ± 5-10 m, maximum ± 25 m (95% open-sky) |
| 23:32.19 | KotCzarny | Update rate 1 s |
| 23:32.20 | KotCzarny | Acquisition times Approximately 45s/2s (cold/hot start) |
| 23:32.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:33.37 | moa- | anyone got fuse/sshfs to work with a n810? |
| 23:33.46 | f_mohr | i have a sirf III usb mouse .. those values meet that |
| 23:33.52 | KotCzarny | moa: what's the problem? |
| 23:34.04 | moa- | Just wondering if it can be done |
| 23:34.14 | KotCzarny | moa: no problem |
| 23:34.28 | f_mohr | sshfs as client or server? |
| 23:34.31 | moa- | apt-get package, or source only |
| 23:34.32 | KotCzarny | both |
| 23:34.34 | moa- | client |
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| 23:45.48 | f_mohr | i did a test with the n810 gps and my old garmin geko301 side by side this evening .. n810 results look much better |
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| 23:49.47 | KotCzarny | http://www.pcsuperdeals.com/ProductView.asp?ProductID=4520eb3a-6356-40bf-95ff-c315e4ed0c7e&Refer=11 |
| 23:49.52 | KotCzarny | 'super' deal |
| 23:49.52 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 23:59.13 | christefano | has anyone seen their Airport Extremes die on a regular basis when an N8x0 starts using the network? |
