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| 00:03.55 | magicrobotmonkey | thx, lcuk_3 |
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| 00:04.27 | magicrobotmonkey | while im here, does anyone know how to open a link from the term? |
| 00:06.04 | magicrobotmonkey | without copy/pasting, i mean |
| 00:08.10 | Brains | Hmm... Why does it seem that most of the multimedia stuff looks only at either the internal memory or the SD cards? I mean, I can't be the only one that is mounting a network drive... |
| 00:10.21 | pupnik | :( |
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| 00:18.10 | pupnik | well i gots rid of teh segfaults. doesn't crash anymore |
| 00:18.20 | pupnik | but it does give a nice black screen 100% of the time |
| 00:18.31 | pupnik | genius! thankyouu. |
| 00:19.51 | jott | i got the mouse almost working :) |
| 00:20.01 | pupnik | awesome |
| 00:20.19 | pupnik | have you seen frequent non-determinate segfaults on this line ? |
| 00:20.26 | pupnik | uae_u16 arg = *(uae_u16 *)(pc+2); |
| 00:20.34 | jott | i think its almost impossible to do the mouse 100% right.. |
| 00:20.40 | jott | hmm not yet.. no |
| 00:20.40 | pupnik | in cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp |
| 00:21.00 | pupnik | might have something to do with my compile-time flags |
| 00:21.08 | pupnik | notice it's doing pointer stuff |
| 00:21.22 | jott | maybe you do not execute 68000 code? |
| 00:21.45 | jott | cyclone does not support enhanced instruction sets.. |
| 00:21.49 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.22 | pupnik | have you a modified makefile jott? |
| 00:23.26 | jott | i talked with the maintainer of pocketuae and he has the same problem with the mouse |
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| 00:23.39 | pupnik | yeah that's important work you doing |
| 00:23.50 | jott | not really the one from KotCzarny |
| 00:24.21 | jott | the problem is, that the mouse hack is sprite based (i.e. tracks the mouse sprite) |
| 00:24.50 | jott | but the hotspot of the sprite is always assumed to be the upper left corner |
| 00:24.58 | jott | and lemmings uses this crosshair |
| 00:26.08 | pupnik | how about a button toggle to enable calibrate mode |
| 00:26.09 | jott | maybe i could add some extra settings to the menu, like mouse offset x/y |
| 00:26.21 | pupnik | and user just clicks on position of screen where current poitner is |
| 00:26.25 | pupnik | crosshair *or* arrow |
| 00:26.32 | jott | yeah might be another way |
| 00:27.19 | jott | if there is an easy way to leave the emulation state |
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| 00:28.21 | |thunder | yay |
| 00:28.25 | |thunder | maemo |
| 00:28.59 | jott | may the source be with you! |
| 00:29.04 | pupnik | jott i don't see it offhand, but whenever it enters menu mode, the emulation is paused |
| 00:29.23 | jott | yeah i guess one could track what happens there :) |
| 00:29.26 | |thunder | hey all, kismet_client wont start. Says xterm is missing. What can I sym link to which will cover that ? ln -s osso-xterm didnt work |
| 00:29.43 | pupnik | i can't even get the bastich to run now |
| 00:30.11 | pupnik | what OS |thunder |
| 00:30.18 | |thunder | os2008 |
| 00:30.23 | pupnik | k, i have no idea |
| 00:30.57 | |thunder | lol, what about anyother os ? |
| 00:31.01 | jott | maybe a shell script? #!/bin/sh osso-xterm $@ ? |
| 00:31.21 | |thunder | i have to tp be able to get nano to install |
| 00:31.30 | |thunder | hrm, may I can echo > it |
| 00:31.51 | jott | or use vi :) .. |
| 00:32.06 | |thunder | never figured that one out ;p |
| 00:32.22 | jott | but echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nosso-xterm $@" should also work :) |
| 00:32.22 | pupnik | is it supposed to work under 08? |
| 00:32.54 | |thunder | ya |
| 00:33.13 | jott | erm .. echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nosso-xterm $@' > xterm |
| 00:33.25 | |thunder | :) |
| 00:35.04 | |thunder | just says permission denied, and im root |
| 00:35.52 | jott | rm the link :) |
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| 00:39.32 | pupnik | kickstart 1.2 jott? |
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| 00:39.52 | jott | the only working for me so far is 3.1 :/ |
| 00:40.12 | pupnik | the rest segfault after boot? |
| 00:40.14 | jott | others crashed with illegal 68k jumps.. |
| 00:40.18 | pupnik | ok! |
| 00:41.01 | pupnik | that makes me very happy |
| 00:41.48 | jott | well the cyclone core is far from perfect ;) |
| 00:42.01 | jott | but its fast :) |
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| 00:43.59 | |thunder | ohh, i almost didnt recognize you |
| 00:48.16 | elb | haha |
| 01:01.38 | |thunder | elb, you play urban terror 4 ? |
| 01:08.38 | elb | no? |
| 01:08.57 | pupnik | jott: i may have a workaround - still testing. using the same discs and kickstarts, i seem to avoid segfaults if i boot up the emu first without a floppy inserted - let the picture prompt come up, then insert the floppy image |
| 01:09.09 | jott | ah |
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| 01:09.37 | jott | i think your idea might work (calibrate with extra click) |
| 01:09.39 | lcuk_3 | .... maybe your disk image has a bootblock virus o.O |
| 01:10.30 | jott | was there an amiga disk without a virus?! :P |
| 01:10.38 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 01:11.01 | lcuk_3 | i used to have noclick bootblocks and some other crap as well |
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| 01:18.09 | pupnik | i have no amiga experience. just like to watch the blinkenlights |
| 01:20.13 | pupnik | jott if you ever find cycle-counter register (something more accurate than a time() function) please let me know |
| 01:21.20 | pupnik | i forgot what it's called on the pentium |
| 01:22.13 | jott | pupnik: clock() does not work? |
| 01:23.01 | pupnik | hrm didn't know that |
| 01:23.25 | pupnik | ty |
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| 01:27.30 | jott | woot mouse calibration seems to work |
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| 01:27.49 | pupnik | awesome |
| 01:28.06 | jott | has little glitches but overall seems fine |
| 01:28.23 | doc|home | lemmings?! |
| 01:28.27 | jott | on amiga :) |
| 01:28.33 | doc|home | not on maemo? |
| 01:28.34 | jott | uae |
| 01:28.41 | doc|home | mean! |
| 01:28.42 | jott | runs super smooth and nice :) |
| 01:29.06 | jott | well i do some clean-up |
| 01:29.19 | jott | i guess we get a really nice uae this weekend :) |
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| 01:30.01 | jott | i'm still not sure on how to process mouse clicks.. |
| 01:30.28 | jott | it's really nice for lemmings to have an instant click but workbench would probably be better with manual clicks :) |
| 01:31.01 | jott | and it might be nice to have some visual feedback for my mouse calibration :) |
| 01:31.19 | pupnik | great stuff. what else is on your todo/wishlist jott? |
| 01:31.20 | jott | currently it justs holds the emulator and expects a mouse click on the hotspot of the mouse :) |
| 01:31.26 | jott | well i guess sound |
| 01:31.34 | jott | and .. better resolution handling i guess |
| 01:31.42 | pupnik | different backend? not oss? |
| 01:31.49 | pupnik | or fixed lower frequency / buffer? |
| 01:31.55 | pupnik | i'd really like to hear stereo |
| 01:31.59 | jott | well yeah just use sdl_mixer or something |
| 01:32.30 | pupnik | i've heard/seen bad things about sdl_mixer |
| 01:32.42 | jott | well actually my n810 is muted most of the time anyway :) |
| 01:32.56 | jott | hm yeah there are probably better solutions |
| 01:33.33 | jott | lemmings runs so incredible nice :) |
| 01:35.33 | jott | i wonder what the best solution would be to make the calibration usability wise.. |
| 01:35.45 | pupnik | actually esd mix_mono_16s_to_stereo_32s_sv only took 0.55% time in my last run |
| 01:36.04 | pupnik | do you have to recalibrate after calibrating once? |
| 01:36.17 | pupnik | in-game |
| 01:36.28 | jott | well you have to calibrate on every change of the mouse pointer |
| 01:36.49 | jott | (or to be more exact on the change of the hotspot of the mouse pointer) |
| 01:36.58 | pupnik | i guess binding it to a button then |
| 01:37.15 | jott | yeah currently the fullscreen button has to be pressed |
| 01:38.03 | jott | after that it waits for a click on the hotspot and continiues emulation |
| 01:38.33 | pupnik | sounds optimal to me |
| 01:38.46 | jott | http://www.mrdictionary.net/lemmings/ <- also a nice project but probably bigger porting effort |
| 01:42.20 | jott | "You rescued 100% WOW! You saved every Lemming. TOTALLY EXCELLENT!" hehe those where the days :) |
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| 01:48.46 | Pauline92 | Hi |
| 01:48.53 | pupnik | hi |
| 01:49.01 | Pauline92 | Guys with the N770. How do you deal with the transfer rate? |
| 01:49.15 | Pauline92 | For me to transfer 500MB it takes hours! |
| 01:49.46 | pupnik | a card reader for PC is fastest |
| 01:50.04 | Pauline92 | Will an SD slot fir the microsd cards with that attachment? |
| 01:50.08 | pupnik | there is a hacked kernel that can speed up mmc speed many times |
| 01:50.13 | pupnik | 770 uses RSMMC |
| 01:51.09 | pupnik | the standard kernel writes to mmc slightly faster than an old-style floppy drive :| |
| 01:51.18 | Pauline92 | What is the hacked kernel? |
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| 01:52.01 | Pauline92 | Sorry |
| 01:52.03 | Pauline92 | My laptop died |
| 01:52.32 | pupnik | http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/ see kernel-sdhc |
| 01:53.45 | Pauline92 | I guess I have to find my card writer |
| 01:54.10 | Pauline92 | Why didn't people mention the slow write speeds when reviewing the N770. It seems kind of obvious that that is a flaw |
| 01:54.46 | pupnik | did you find the flaw in the first few hours of use? |
| 01:55.02 | Pauline92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.11 | Pauline92 | As soon as I tried loading a 10MB file |
| 01:55.23 | Pauline92 | Now I get errors when transferring 500MB files |
| 01:55.32 | pupnik | that's a known problem |
| 01:55.39 | Pauline92 | ... |
| 01:55.55 | pupnik | i gave you the link to the fix |
| 01:56.11 | lcuk_3 | Pauline92, fortunately nokia noticed the problem and have released a couple of patches since the original n770 ;) |
| 01:56.17 | Pauline92 | It says it may make my N770 inoperable |
| 01:56.36 | Pauline92 | Which patches in particular lcuk_3? |
| 01:56.48 | lcuk_3 | n800 and n810 |
| 01:56.54 | Pauline92 | lol |
| 01:57.14 | lcuk_3 | as for your actual problem, are you running the original os2006? |
| 01:57.22 | Pauline92 | lcuk_3 - yes |
| 01:57.49 | lcuk_3 | im not sure if it makes a difference, but have you looked at using on the the later hacker editions? |
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| 01:58.32 | Pauline92 | I didn't know if they'd speed things up |
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| 01:59.04 | lcuk_3 | nor do i. the person to really ask would be GeneralAntilles, he seems to have every version of every nokia tablet available |
| 01:59.14 | Pauline92 | OK |
| 01:59.22 | Pauline92 | GeneralAntilles! |
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| 02:01.50 | lcuk_3 | hmmmm just did a scrollback, doesnt look like hes been on for a day or so (unusual cos hes normally lurking) |
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| 02:06.30 | pupnik | wb unique311 |
| 02:06.39 | unique311 | just the person i was looking for. |
| 02:06.45 | unique311 | i need help with dosbox |
| 02:06.48 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 02:06.49 | unique311 | lol |
| 02:06.59 | unique311 | i want to run a game |
| 02:07.19 | unique311 | but it requires a maindisk to be loaded before i load the game |
| 02:07.28 | unique311 | xkbd is not playing nice |
| 02:07.53 | pupnik | yeah it's brokenz |
| 02:08.16 | pupnik | so like - it needs a floppy image in drive A: ? |
| 02:08.41 | pupnik | you can mount a directory as a particular drive |
| 02:08.49 | pupnik | so if it's not copy protected do something like |
| 02:08.50 | unique311 | yes |
| 02:09.01 | pupnik | mount A: /path/to/game/dir |
| 02:09.26 | unique311 | ok |
| 02:09.36 | pupnik | you can also put that in /usr/share/dosbox/automount.conf |
| 02:10.13 | unique311 | so load the main disk with rubybox |
| 02:10.32 | unique311 | and when it ask for the floppy |
| 02:10.57 | unique311 | ithe mount A: should cover that |
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| 02:11.13 | unique311 | s/ithe/the |
| 02:12.56 | unique311 | /home/user$ mount A: /home/user/pinball.EXE |
| 02:12.57 | unique311 | mount: A: Unknown host |
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| 02:39.36 | pupnik | jott: still awake? |
| 02:39.44 | jott | yep |
| 02:39.50 | jott | more or less atleast :) |
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| 02:40.15 | pupnik | have you tried the 'run uae4all before selecting disk' trick with some kickstarts? |
| 02:40.24 | jott | not yet.. let me test |
| 02:42.07 | jott | hmm yeah seems to work here too |
| 02:42.24 | jott | let me confirm |
| 02:43.01 | jott | hm no :/ |
| 02:43.11 | jott | does not work . |
| 02:43.12 | pupnik | ok |
| 02:43.14 | jott | atleast |
| 02:43.20 | jott | not with the one i just tested |
| 02:43.42 | pupnik | well at least i have a workaround that works for me |
| 02:43.56 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.00 | jott | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.03 | jott | hm :p |
| 02:44.54 | pupnik | stereo sound seems to be as fast - but here it's quitting after about 1 minute |
| 02:45.30 | pupnik | you can enable here |
| 02:45.31 | pupnik | src/sound_gp2x.cpp:275: if (gp2x_start_sound(sound_rate, 16, 1) != 0) // ARNIM try stereo |
| 02:45.35 | pupnik | src/sound_gp2x.cpp:290: if (gp2x_start_sound(sound_rate, 16, 1) != 0) |
| 02:46.56 | jott | in the end it would be nice to not abstract from gp2x :/ .. its a mess that GP2X is defined for N8x0 |
| 02:47.05 | jott | erm to |
| 02:47.17 | jott | anyway.. its starts to get messy this way :) |
| 02:47.21 | pupnik | sure |
| 02:47.52 | jott | anyway.. i'm happy as i can finally play lemmings now ;) |
| 02:48.23 | RayTracer` | there's lemmings for gp2x? |
| 02:48.38 | pupnik | yeah that's a very welcome fixup jott |
| 02:48.41 | jott | there is an amiga emulator for gp2x :) |
| 02:48.52 | RayTracer` | well lemmings came out for amiga? |
| 02:49.01 | RayTracer` | I only played PC and nintendo versions :) |
| 02:49.12 | jott | hehe the amiga version was the best version of all :) |
| 02:49.18 | RayTracer` | sweet |
| 02:49.18 | jott | (2 player mode) |
| 02:49.26 | RayTracer` | there's pingus which just got ported |
| 02:49.28 | RayTracer` | to os2008 |
| 02:49.32 | RayTracer` | pingus isn't as fun |
| 02:49.37 | jott | yeah but lemmings is much nicer :) |
| 02:49.44 | RayTracer` | indeed |
| 02:49.55 | RayTracer` | where could I find amiga lemmings? |
| 02:50.10 | jott | ebay or google i suppose ;> |
| 02:50.41 | RayTracer` | er yeah this is a semi official place |
| 02:50.42 | RayTracer` | nm |
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| 02:56.36 | christefano | is there a utility that modifies OS 2008's capitalization behaviour? |
| 02:56.58 | christefano | it seems to want to capitalize every first letter in a sentence. |
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| 02:58.21 | pupnik | meh .. not set up for stereo |
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| 02:58.46 | RayTracer` | christefano it's in control panel |
| 02:59.18 | RayTracer` | under text input settings |
| 02:59.39 | RayTracer` | languages -> settings |
| 02:59.51 | christefano | thanks! I see it right there |
| 02:59.57 | RayTracer` | np |
| 03:00.01 | RayTracer` | I turned off word prediction |
| 03:00.13 | RayTracer` | that way I don't get an annoying bar when I use my 810's keyboard |
| 03:00.18 | christefano | I'm doing that, too. it takes up screen real estate |
| 03:00.30 | RayTracer` | you really gain a lot |
| 03:00.57 | RayTracer` | are you considering a BT keyboard? |
| 03:01.13 | RayTracer` | almost everyone on my team where I work has an 810.. one is getting a simple palm bt keyboard |
| 03:01.17 | christefano | I'm thinking about the iGo |
| 03:01.18 | RayTracer` | not sure if I want to |
| 03:01.27 | RayTracer` | they're going away.. been discontinued 2-3 weeks now |
| 03:01.33 | RayTracer` | very rare |
| 03:01.45 | christefano | the iGo bluetooth keyboard? |
| 03:01.48 | RayTracer` | I wish these had infrared built in |
| 03:01.49 | RayTracer` | yep |
| 03:02.06 | RayTracer` | IR keyboards were the shit back in the day |
| 03:02.12 | pupnik | jott: also it's possible to run the renderer at native amiga resolution and have xsp scaling do non-integer stretching for free |
| 03:02.23 | pupnik | right now the bottom is cut off of some games/demos |
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| 03:02.33 | jott | pupnik: yep i also had this thought |
| 03:05.53 | jott | KotCzarny / pupnik: http://sse2.net/uae_mouse_patch.diff first version |
| 03:06.11 | pupnik | was just going to ask :) |
| 03:08.04 | pupnik | jott, another question. do you think it might be possible for the cyclone core to use vfp to perform maths? |
| 03:08.26 | pupnik | or did amiga games rarely use FP |
| 03:09.55 | jott | uhm 68k had no fpu but with full instruction support vfp might become handy :) |
| 03:10.17 | jott | but i guess this would be a bit more involved :) |
| 03:10.25 | pupnik | yeah just curious |
| 03:10.52 | RayTracer` | so is gp2x an amiga emulator? |
| 03:10.58 | RayTracer` | or gp2x is a different platform? |
| 03:11.01 | pupnik | no it's a handheld gaming device |
| 03:11.02 | pupnik | right |
| 03:11.15 | RayTracer` | so is there a good amiga emulator for os2008? |
| 03:11.49 | jott | but many gp2x ports use sdl so its sometimes possible to backport gp2x optimized ports to NITs :) |
| 03:12.20 | jott | RayTracer`: work in progress :) |
| 03:12.56 | RayTracer` | ahhhh |
| 03:12.57 | jott | KotCzarny found a nice gp2x uae port with optimized emulation core |
| 03:13.00 | RayTracer` | same cpu and screen, diff OS? |
| 03:13.02 | RayTracer` | right |
| 03:13.31 | jott | so we try to make it run on n8x0 atm |
| 03:13.42 | jott | (make it usable) |
| 03:13.50 | jott | mouse should work now more or less |
| 03:14.00 | pupnik | my brain hurtz.. is audio.cpp mixing everything to mono? :| |
| 03:14.00 | jott | atleast it's possible to play lemmings :) |
| 03:17.23 | pupnik | there's an AUDxLCL and AUDxLCH but no AUDxRCL and AUDxRCH. maybe that's a hint |
| 03:19.08 | pupnik | they really changed it from stock UAE |
| 03:19.47 | pupnik | pretty sure it's mono-only |
| 03:22.31 | RayTracer` | is GP2X a mono device? |
| 03:23.14 | pupnik | nah can't be |
| 03:25.37 | pupnik | it's not a big deal anyway |
| 03:25.58 | pupnik | just would be nice to have |
| 03:31.39 | pupnik | just looks like it'll require real work :) |
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| 05:19.22 | mchang | greets |
| 05:19.26 | mchang | anyone here tonight? |
| 05:22.30 | smackpotato | yo |
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| 05:28.46 | pupnik | ok top is reporting esd using 2.9% cpu converting 22khz uae to 44 |
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| 05:36.17 | nwidger | hello |
| 05:36.46 | nwidger | is there a channel to ask stuff about maemo mapper or should i just ask here? |
| 05:41.15 | pupnik | yes |
| 05:41.44 | nwidger | ok |
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| 05:42.12 | pupnik | also try searching internettablettalk.com |
| 05:42.16 | nwidger | so how do i get maemo mapper to download everything i need for a route so that when i leave my house and lose my internet connection it doesnt complain |
| 05:42.41 | pupnik | i dunno - maybe someone else does |
| 05:42.56 | nwidger | ah okay |
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| 06:02.32 | pupnik | KotCzarny: awake? |
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| 07:33.42 | eichi | hello, is there something like a "umts-mouse modem" with bluetooth that i dont need a handy for that? |
| 07:35.35 | pupnik | yes i've seen a picture of one in use in eastern europe |
| 07:36.00 | pupnik | s/mouse// |
| 07:36.22 | pupnik | google "umts modem" |
| 07:36.49 | pupnik | maybe it was usb based, i forgot |
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| 07:46.02 | eichi | pupnik, http://www.moobicent.de/uploads/pics/teaser_usb-easy-box_528x180px.jpg you mean this? |
| 07:47.39 | pupnik | what I saw looked different |
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| 08:14.42 | BugBlue | why would I upgrade my N810 from 50-2 to 51-3? |
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| 08:15.48 | keesj | because it's there ! |
| 08:16.28 | BugBlue | a good reason from much people but I'd rather see some convincing arguments (like a changelog or so) |
| 08:18.33 | BugBlue | oke there is one: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html: no changes |
| 08:24.41 | johnx | BugBlue, The only reason is if you're reflashing anyways or if you have the power on/off problem it solves |
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| 08:43.34 | lopz | hi |
| 08:43.49 | pupnik | heh stupid n810 tricks.. /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternPsychedelia" |
| 08:43.53 | pupnik | pretty old i guess |
| 08:44.12 | johnx | pupnik, cool though...it's nice to have more "shell level" access to stuff |
| 08:44.36 | johnx | BTW, I can't stop playing pingus O_o sooo addicting |
| 08:45.01 | pupnik | some of the 'training island' levels are surprisingly hard imo |
| 08:45.19 | pupnik | the developers are aware of the memory creep issue |
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| 08:45.32 | pupnik | wb ssvb |
| 08:45.48 | ssvb | hi pupnik |
| 08:45.53 | Brains | pupnik: Heh, maybe old, but new to me... Nifty. |
| 08:46.17 | pupnik | use the 'deactivate' command to deactivate |
| 08:46.37 | pupnik | ... pattern_deactivate ... |
| 08:46.41 | Brains | Probably eats up battery at a decent rate, I suppose. |
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| 08:47.13 | pupnik | ssvb have you heard of the new amiga emulator? |
| 08:48.18 | pupnik | it's pretty nifty - using auto-adjust it runs between frameskip of 2 to 3 |
| 08:49.16 | pupnik | it could really use that non-integer xsp / framebuffer scaling hack |
| 08:50.11 | pupnik | hope it gets a bit faster (a solid >20fps would be nice) |
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| 08:53.26 | aquatix | morning all |
| 08:53.37 | Brains | Morning |
| 08:56.17 | Brains | I wonder what the ETA on kismet for the N8x0 is... |
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| 09:03.45 | christefano | kismet for N8x0 would be fabulous |
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| 09:38.55 | Spakman_ | has anyone seen Alterego around here lately? |
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| 09:55.24 | pupnik | not i |
| 10:00.13 | pupnik | i need a job where i hold meetings with tech people and then we discuss solutions to stuff and then everybody decides that my ideas are best |
| 10:00.45 | johnx | and then your ideas don't get implemented anyways? |
| 10:01.10 | pupnik | :) |
| 10:01.37 | johnx | just being realistic :) |
| 10:01.49 | pupnik | i might be filtering subconsciously but as I recall things generally worked out in the past :) |
| 10:02.28 | pupnik | but that's spoken from the position of someone who never had to actually make the call in a managerial sense |
| 10:02.44 | keesj | pupnik: do I hear srcum ? |
| 10:03.11 | pupnik | i'm sure it's much less fun when it's your job description to do that |
| 10:03.15 | pupnik | dunno scrum |
| 10:03.51 | pupnik | ah interesting |
| 10:03.55 | keesj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development) |
| 10:04.53 | keesj | hmm that link is a big of a long story |
| 10:05.34 | keesj | but you work in small teams and the team decides how to implement , "is responsible" |
| 10:05.59 | keesj | you meet every day and have very well palpable goals |
| 10:06.14 | pupnik | ty for the interesting term |
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| 10:08.38 | keesj | we have been using is at work for a few month now |
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| 10:39.06 | klm- | Hello! I have N800 and Transmission Bittorrent client installed. I've downloaded a .torrent file to my Videos folder and now I'm trying to open it with Transmission. The problem is that Transmission shows me the root (or something, I'm new :P) and I should browse my way to the Videos folder. I just can't find it. So does anyone know the path? I've also tried to open the torrent file straight away with Transmission but the program isn't f |
| 10:39.06 | klm- | or some reason on the application list |
| 10:40.51 | keesj | yes,, it is hidden |
| 10:41.10 | keesj | /home/user/Do..??/.documents/ |
| 10:41.49 | keesj | you can also try to save to the media card and the browse /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2 |
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| 10:43.58 | klm- | that was a good advice, thanks! |
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| 10:55.07 | spirytusick | 'lo |
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| 11:31.16 | pupnik | what to do.. what to do... |
| 11:37.20 | jott | pupnik: how about making uae4all support full resolution :) |
| 11:37.59 | pupnik | hi jott just the man i wanted to see |
| 11:38.23 | pupnik | so when in a proggy that uses mouse. i hit the fullscreen button once |
| 11:38.28 | pupnik | then tap on the pointer |
| 11:38.43 | pupnik | then position is correct but scaling is off |
| 11:38.54 | jott | have you disabled xsp? |
| 11:38.58 | pupnik | no |
| 11:39.20 | jott | what do you mean by "scaling is off"? |
| 11:39.38 | pupnik | pointer movement is approx 2x stylus movement (with XSP) |
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| 11:39.51 | pupnik | you did your work without xsp enabled? |
| 11:39.59 | jott | no it was enabled.. |
| 11:40.42 | pupnik | ok guess i'll test some more |
| 11:40.47 | jott | mmh |
| 11:40.57 | pupnik | the process should be repeatable, yes? |
| 11:41.15 | jott | yeah.. pressing fullscreen twice should reset the offset to 0,0 |
| 11:41.34 | pupnik | this was lemmin2 btw |
| 11:41.42 | pupnik | i'll test with 1 |
| 11:41.55 | jott | is it off 2x *after* you calibrate or all the time? |
| 11:42.01 | pupnik | all the time |
| 11:42.04 | jott | ok |
| 11:42.54 | jott | i think the scaling has to be calculated in a different way |
| 11:43.23 | pupnik | ok i'll peek at it. just wanted to confirm usage. i found roughly the problem with different sound freqs - the esd-OSS device refuses to change frequency on an opened device |
| 11:43.47 | pupnik | 1) click fullscreen/windowed button, 2) tap stylus on current pointer position |
| 11:43.49 | pupnik | finished. |
| 11:43.50 | jott | i guess in the end it would be best to support native resultions of the amiga |
| 11:43.50 | pupnik | ? |
| 11:43.57 | pupnik | yes |
| 11:44.06 | jott | i.e. up to 640x400 or so |
| 11:44.30 | pupnik | and scale that to 7??x480 :) |
| 11:45.01 | pupnik | there is no 2nd tap required on the button after tapping pointer, correct? |
| 11:45.10 | jott | yep.. |
| 11:45.13 | jott | it should continue |
| 11:45.40 | jott | but i think it might be the problem with games in 320x200 or so.. |
| 11:45.46 | jott | lemmings runs hat 640x200 |
| 11:46.09 | pupnik | I managed to get it running at 22 and 11khz sound also. Could not see a difference. Problem with switching frequency on-the-go is that the OSS device needs to be fully deinitialized - esd-oss is not switching samplerate. |
| 11:46.16 | pupnik | ahh |
| 11:46.17 | jott | i suppose the current resolution (screen and amiga) has to be considered |
| 11:46.28 | jott | when getting the sdl position |
| 11:46.29 | pupnik | yes i think so too |
| 11:47.12 | pupnik | i also got led flashing with disk access, but not in the right way - :) |
| 11:47.21 | jott | i wonder how hard it would be to support 640x200 and use the lcd to stretch it to 7..x480 |
| 11:48.02 | pupnik | apparently the HOWTO is in mplayer source right now |
| 11:48.18 | jott | pupnik: for n810 you can use my ledcolor hack: http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py |
| 11:48.49 | pupnik | /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternError" |
| 11:49.01 | pupnik | tht works too - but i don't know the right place to activate it |
| 11:49.02 | jott | ^^ is direct led access |
| 11:49.06 | pupnik | ok |
| 11:49.31 | jott | i.e. first open /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode and write "direct" to it |
| 11:49.31 | pupnik | nice |
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| 11:49.44 | jott | and then /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and write RR:GG:BB to it |
| 11:51.22 | jott | this way one could even assign red to fd0 and green to fd1 or and blue to hdd or something like this ;) |
| 11:51.48 | pupnik | or green:read red:write |
| 11:51.52 | jott | yeah.. |
| 11:52.04 | pupnik | ty |
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| 11:52.24 | jott | it would be nice to see more apps using the led in the n810 for instant status report |
| 11:53.03 | pupnik | we may be using suboptimal disk speed settings right now, btw |
| 11:53.12 | pupnik | see src/disk.cpp :27 static int floppy_speed = NORMAL_FLOPPY_SPEED*2; |
| 11:54.43 | jott | yeah well who knows if programs depend on floppy timing, not sure one can easily mess with this ;) |
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| 13:21.51 | aquatix | jott: neat |
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| 13:27.27 | pupnik_ | bah i can't concentrate |
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| 13:56.34 | xuser | what app does maemo use to connect via bluetooth to a cell phone and use its UTMS? |
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| 13:59.00 | pupnik | jott: Notaz wrote in Jul 18, 2007: "I'm able to run Turrican at 50fps (or very near it)". That's on arm920t at ~260-290 mhz |
| 14:02.36 | jott | have you tested turrican? :) |
| 14:02.49 | pupnik | can't tell how fast it's going but it's pretty smooth |
| 14:03.21 | inz | xuser, the connection is handled by proprietary icd (something like: internet connectivity daemon), which I guess uses bluez utils |
| 14:03.21 | xuser | nm, found it. |
| 14:03.22 | jott | yeah cyclone is pretty neat |
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| 14:04.48 | pupnik | btw my 'boot first, then insert disk' prevents segfaults on every kickstart i've tried |
| 14:04.54 | xuser | inz: found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comgt |
| 14:06.06 | inz | xuser, afaik there's no comgt on maemo |
| 14:06.20 | inz | not sure though |
| 14:06.27 | jott | pupnik: the gp2x wiki also mentions "It must be called kick.rom, be a kickstart 1.3 image, and be the 512KB overdumped version, rather than the smaller 256k kickstart that some have tried unsuccessfully." |
| 14:06.56 | pupnik | yes only 512s work, but everything from 1.2 to 3.1 has worked here now |
| 14:07.49 | pupnik | unless i'm in some weird software bermuda triangle, i think we should change it to boot the kickstart before presenting menu |
| 14:08.06 | jott | well i suppose > 1.3 possibly break at a point as they might use instructions not emulated .. |
| 14:08.43 | jott | but that's just a speculation.. i'm not an amiga professional :) |
| 14:08.45 | xuser | inz: yeah, just trying to do same with a linux laptop. |
| 14:08.59 | xuser | I'll see if comgt works for me |
| 14:09.02 | pupnik | selecting a .adf or .adf.gz before booting crashes every rom with regularity, but then sometimes it gets in the mood to not crash for a while |
| 14:09.59 | pupnik | we should get more testing results |
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| 14:15.36 | RayTracer` | guys any luck with amiga? |
| 14:16.43 | pupnik | just been learning a little bit about it |
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| 14:18.16 | pupnik | Managed to drop sound quality down to 11khz and that seems to shave off about 3-5% cpu, but haven't been able to test accurately yet |
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| 14:21.04 | pupnik | have you tested it RayTracer` ? |
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| 14:21.19 | RayTracer` | no just watched you guys talk about it a while |
| 14:21.50 | pupnik | Well i'd like someone to confirm some problems |
| 14:21.54 | RayTracer` | oh sure |
| 14:22.20 | pupnik | ok RayTracer` can you /join #kotc pls? |
| 14:22.24 | RayTracer` | I can |
| 14:24.19 | inz | why? |
| 14:25.10 | jott | xuser: use duct tape! :p |
| 14:25.21 | inz | I prefer to have a small phone and a "large" websurferthingmabob |
| 14:25.35 | xuser | to only carry one device |
| 14:25.35 | xuser | :) |
| 14:25.43 | xuser | darn, I'm lagging as hell |
| 14:25.51 | xuser | jott: heh |
| 14:26.28 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 14:26.42 | xuser | inz: you carry a backpack? |
| 14:27.02 | inz | xuser, usually not |
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| 14:28.22 | inz | xuser, the point was that I can leave the websurferthingmabob home and still be reachable by phone |
| 14:28.44 | inz | xuser, in case I don't want to carry any bags or satchels |
| 14:29.38 | xuser | inz: well yeah, good point, you don't always want to carry a N810 |
| 14:30.34 | inz | xuser, many techies don't really mind as they anyway use pants that have enough pockets to carry the kitchen sink, but I don'l like such pants ;) |
| 14:31.13 | xuser | heh |
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| 14:36.57 | xuser | I can ssh from the n95 anyway :P |
| 14:37.11 | xuser | the problem is the keyboard :/ |
| 14:37.14 | Cptn-N800 | Someone enteertaiin me |
| 14:37.19 | Cptn-N800 | Bus is shit boring |
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| 14:38.16 | xuser | watch some porn |
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| 14:47.38 | h3sp4wn | porn is boring |
| 14:51.15 | inz | Feh, when I finally got gmail not to make false positives, now it makes false negatives |
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| 15:02.28 | h3sp4wn | Does nokia make a phone similar to the 6230/6230i (don't want a smartphone) perfectly happy with the 6230/6230i and its battery life etc - or are they all symbian (I want reliable bluetooth thats all) |
| 15:03.31 | Jaffa | No, they still make lots of non-Symbian phones |
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| 15:10.00 | Paavo | most sales are non-symbian |
| 15:11.10 | h3sp4wn | Yeah but they don't make it clear which ones are just nokia as it always was |
| 15:12.01 | Paavo | see forum.nokia.com/devices |
| 15:12.40 | h3sp4wn | great thanks |
| 15:12.48 | Paavo | that doesn't seem to have any series 30 phones though |
| 15:12.52 | Paavo | all s40 and s60 |
| 15:13.44 | Paavo | s30 are the really cheap and simple ones |
| 15:13.57 | glass | 1110 etc |
| 15:14.07 | Paavo | yep |
| 15:15.30 | h3sp4wn | Mine is 6230 (series 4) looks like - I want max battery life and bluetooth thats all |
| 15:15.33 | Paavo | it might be interesting to see sometimes how those are put together |
| 15:15.51 | h3sp4wn | problem is bluetooth isn't on the cheap ones usually or maybe that changed |
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| 15:16.14 | KotCzarny | get ericsson t39m ? :> |
| 15:16.17 | glass | most 3g phones have bt tho.. i'd think |
| 15:16.58 | h3sp4wn | No desire for anything other than Nokia (or to mess with it) |
| 15:17.35 | h3sp4wn | I wouldn't mind getting maemo on e.g a GPX2 though (new one has a touch screen) |
| 15:18.10 | Paavo | h3sp4wn: country? |
| 15:18.18 | h3sp4wn | Paavo: England |
| 15:18.22 | Paavo | there's a comparison engine at nokia.com |
| 15:18.36 | Paavo | they just try their best to keep people off the site |
| 15:20.03 | Paavo | http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4221001 |
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| 15:20.34 | Paavo | interesting that there's a "most expensive first" option, but not the opposite |
| 15:20.54 | Paavo | and not even approximate prices |
| 15:21.53 | luddek | Hi. Does anyone know when it is possible to get the kismet for os2008? |
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| 15:23.33 | h3sp4wn | yeah - I suppose there they have to cater for the "Is this expensive enough and does it look good with this dress/suit" crowd |
| 15:24.20 | KotCzarny | shiny! |
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| 15:42.59 | lcuk_3 | arghhhh ive made my glyph rendering loop too efficient again and the cpu is throttling back. there must be a way to kick the process into a high priority without having to scribble on the screen to make it go fast |
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| 15:49.19 | Jaffa | lcuk_3: doh! |
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| 15:51.01 | jott | lcuk_3: it sounds really strange - are you sure there are no idle cycles somewhere in your render loop? |
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| 15:52.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: just play any mp3 via mp3task, it will activate dsp (without eating too much cpu) and force cpu to full speed |
| 15:53.30 | lcuk_3 | i am positive that there are no idles (unless there is one inside XvShmPutImage which i doubt |
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| 15:53.56 | lcuk_3 | i have just DOUBLED the work (ie rendering the string twice) and its running faster than without |
| 15:54.18 | lcuk_3 | snprintf(buff,255," "); |
| 15:54.18 | lcuk_3 | canvass_drawtext(buff,0,y); |
| 15:54.18 | lcuk_3 | snprintf(buff,255,"Hello world, %i, fc %i ",y,framecount); |
| 15:54.19 | lcuk_3 | canvass_drawtext(buff,x,y); |
| 15:54.30 | KotCzarny | lcuk: pastebin.com |
| 15:54.33 | lcuk_3 | the top 2 lines have just been added and it now renders quicker than without them |
| 15:54.38 | lcuk_3 | sorry it was just that tiny bit |
| 15:54.49 | lcuk_3 | to clarify what i am saying |
| 15:55.10 | aquatix | and eating more battery ;) |
| 15:55.19 | lcuk_3 | im not bothered about that at the moment |
| 15:55.54 | lcuk_3 | once i am at full speed and getting a specific framerate and showing my code is as good as i can the program will ONLY be rendering when stroke in progress anyway |
| 15:55.58 | KotCzarny | lcuk: have you seen my comment? |
| 15:56.04 | lcuk_3 | but if i can get it done quicker it wont flicker |
| 15:56.31 | KotCzarny | use mp3task to force cpu to full speed |
| 15:56.34 | lcuk_3 | yes but it doesnt make sense - and for one thing, using the dsp clocks the cpu down |
| 15:56.36 | script | how about *buff='\n' o_O |
| 15:56.46 | script | that sprintf looks scary |
| 15:56.47 | lcuk_3 | cpu down to 330 when dsp in operation isnt it |
| 15:56.52 | KotCzarny | but it will turn off cpu speed changes |
| 15:57.06 | KotCzarny | so you will test your code without problems |
| 15:57.18 | lcuk_3 | script - why scary? |
| 15:57.25 | script | just ... because ;-) |
| 15:57.39 | lcuk_3 | kot, i see no sense in running an entire mp3 decoding process just to force the cpu to stop power saving |
| 15:58.03 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it just works that way |
| 15:58.14 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you wanted cpu to stop switching between speeds |
| 15:58.21 | lcuk_3 | it works now - i know i have enough power to do whatever i like and still be fast enough ;) |
| 15:58.32 | KotCzarny | lcuk: mp3task won't take cpu but dsp cycles |
| 15:59.34 | lcuk_3 | surely there is a better way - i cant be the only one encountering this.. |
| 16:00.04 | lcuk_3 | KotCzarny, i will give it a try though its worse than me writing a dummy operation into a blit |
| 16:00.15 | lcuk_3 | do you have any init code lying around? |
| 16:00.39 | KotCzarny | lcuk: then just open mp3task and don't do anything with it |
| 16:01.01 | KotCzarny | lcuk: nope, maybe using gst-init |
| 16:02.00 | lcuk_3 | i wouldnt know where to begin, i have been looking solely towards the rendering engine and haven't checked out any of the dsp/audio side |
| 16:02.01 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i mean gst-launch |
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| 16:05.13 | ac7ss | is there a patch to correct DST on the 2008 software? (I had to adjust manually) |
| 16:05.22 | lcuk_3 | right. sorted it |
| 16:05.35 | lcuk_3 | from my test script, before running my program i call: |
| 16:05.36 | lcuk_3 | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 16:05.47 | lcuk_3 | then after i am done, i revert to the ondemand setting |
| 16:05.54 | KotCzarny | lcuk: nokia ignores cpufreq scaling :/ |
| 16:06.05 | KotCzarny | i have tried userspace governor too |
| 16:06.06 | lcuk_3 | it works though |
| 16:06.34 | lcuk_3 | on "ondemand" i get visual judders and framerate drops down to 8fps unless i am scratching the screen |
| 16:06.38 | KotCzarny | maybe performance governor works, i haven't tried |
| 16:06.54 | lcuk_3 | on "performance" it blisters along nice and smoothly |
| 16:06.57 | jott | lcuk_3: btw you know that canvass != canvas :> |
| 16:07.42 | lcuk_3 | jott, i know that canvass_... is the name of my canvass functions (which in the back end lead out to either an xv screen or an sdl one depending upon what i am testing |
| 16:08.17 | lcuk_3 | canvass has been what i have drawn on since i started working with computers. its more logical for me to continue that |
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| 17:13.55 | Jaffa | Oh, cool: Jalimo really rocks. |
| 17:14.22 | Jaffa | And for an SWT app running in a JVM (i.e. not further optimised like in Android) it's not noticeably slow either. |
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| 17:18.56 | ccooke | Jaffa: (I know it's a huge amount of work, but) It'll still not be that much use until there's a web plugin ;-) |
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| 17:21.41 | Jaffa | ccooke: I see where you're coming from, but as a Java developer most of the time (and I *love* Eclipse), Java apps are more interesting to me. |
| 17:22.54 | ccooke | Jaffa: yeah. I'm not sure, yet, how useful they'll be to consumers on the N810, though |
| 17:23.04 | ccooke | wheras java in the browser would be something of a big win |
| 17:23.46 | Jaffa | ccooke: true. I'd rather develop in Java than Python (and definitely rather than C). Vala looks interesting but not enough docs |
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| 17:25.10 | ccooke | hmm |
| 17:25.30 | ccooke | I wonder - which is smaller (memorywise) and faster out of Java and Python? |
| 17:25.57 | Jaffa | If cacao's got a good JIT, it could be close (in terms of speed at least) |
| 17:27.00 | ccooke | hmm |
| 17:27.10 | shacka1 | definitely java |
| 17:27.24 | fysa | comes down to dependencies |
| 17:27.24 | ccooke | shacka1: you have benchmarks? |
| 17:27.29 | fysa | and toolkits |
| 17:29.58 | shacka1 | ccooke: well, there's http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=python for what it's worth |
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| 17:36.40 | czr | python memory behaviour is even more undeterministic than java's. |
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| 17:37.08 | czr | other than that, I'd rather eat rotten seafood for two weeks straight than ever write java again (compared to python). |
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| 17:37.55 | glass | i like java |
| 17:38.03 | KotCzarny | i like pancakes |
| 17:38.06 | glass | i'd like it to run well enough to do apps in |
| 17:38.07 | Jaffa | s/trani/train/ |
| 17:38.44 | czr | gravy training. |
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| 17:38.56 | ccooke | Hmm. |
| 17:39.01 | czr | The Fist of The Crouching Gravy.. |
| 17:39.15 | KotCzarny | the fist in the crouch |
| 17:39.24 | ccooke | It seems the built-in chat client doesn't support Livejournal's Jabber server |
| 17:39.33 | ccooke | I'm guessing a protocol missmatch of some sort |
| 17:40.23 | Robot101 | ccooke: its probably because we don't support SASL in the current release |
| 17:40.41 | ccooke | oh? |
| 17:40.44 | Robot101 | we've got a fix coming out soon |
| 17:40.48 | ccooke | hmm |
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| 17:41.00 | ccooke | how soon is soon, out of interest? |
| 17:41.05 | Robot101 | loudmouth until very recently didn't support XMPP features like TLS, SASL and SRV lookups |
| 17:41.20 | ccooke | (as in: do I wait a while now or leave it) |
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| 17:41.34 | Robot101 | I dunno when it'll make it through the process, but I could look into pushing updated versions into the rtcomm.garage.maemo.org repo |
| 17:42.36 | ccooke | My wife's just got a new n810 (stops her stealing mine) and we're trying to get everything set up nicely before tomorrow, when she's off visiting friends for a week |
| 17:43.32 | ccooke | The LJ jabber thing definitely appears to be auth related - my tcpdump shows the server send an auth packet, which the client doesn't respond to. It's all keepalives after that. |
| 17:44.51 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:45.38 | Robot101 | ccooke: you can get debugging output if you open an xterm and run LM_DEBUG=net GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble |
| 17:45.41 | Robot101 | then sign on |
| 17:46.57 | ccooke | /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble: |
| 17:47.00 | ccooke | GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble |
| 17:47.04 | ccooke | gah |
| 17:47.07 | ccooke | Not found. |
| 17:47.21 | Robot101 | oh, just /usr/bin/telepathy-gabble then |
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| 17:51.09 | ccooke | interesting |
| 17:51.17 | ccooke | Robot101: Checking debug + network traffic... |
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| 17:52.14 | ccooke | it receives the auth request from the server, says "... db_auth: authenticating with username: blah, password: <hidden>, resource: Telepathy |
| 17:52.23 | ccooke | But it doesn't send anything on the network! |
| 17:52.28 | ccooke | I just see keepalives. |
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| 18:29.00 | lcuk_3 | whoa! upgrades |
| 18:30.42 | ol_schoola | Mother Of All Splits |
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| 19:12.06 | f_mohr | is there a way to loopback mount jffs2 file system images on desktop linux ? (rootfs.jffs2 from the latest flash update) |
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| 19:14.15 | jott | f_mohr: given your desktop linux kernel jffs2 module supports LZO compression, yes. see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ |
| 19:17.20 | f_mohr | i got the error message (?) JFFS2 version 2.2. (NAND) (C) 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc. |
| 19:17.20 | f_mohr | Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop/0" as JFFS2 |
| 19:18.21 | jott | f_mohr: have you followed the wiki instructions? |
| 19:18.59 | f_mohr | no that was from my first try (mount -t jffs2 -o loop rootfs.jffs2 yy) |
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| 19:20.08 | jott | (with the "loopback" approach you need a mtdblock device and tell the block2mtd module where your loopback device is) |
| 19:20.57 | jott | f_mohr: ok, then just follow the instructions in the wiki :) |
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| 19:22.42 | f_mohr | i'll try those 2 solutions on the wiki .. |
| 19:23.39 | f_mohr | mainly i wanted to find the differences between RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (was installed when i bought the n810 2weeks ago) and RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin before i flash the later |
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| 20:16.50 | pupnik | is there any reason not to use gcc (v. 4:3.4.4-7osso2) ?? |
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| 20:25.51 | pupnik | it's listed on gronmayer under gcc search |
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| 20:26.26 | pupnik | doesn't show up in apt-cache search though |
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| 20:34.32 | pupnik | CodeSourcery provide [GNU ARM toolchains]. The 2005Q3 release is a modified version of gcc-3.4.4 while 2006Q1 is from gcc-4.1.0. These toolchains produce EABI object code and the 2006Q1 release also uses the EABI Linux kernel interface. |
| 20:35.14 | pupnik | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html |
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| 20:35.52 | KotCzarny | it shows 2007q3 |
| 20:38.27 | pupnik | gcc -v gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2) |
| 20:38.37 | KotCzarny | you're welcome to try |
| 20:38.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:38.44 | KotCzarny | gcc 4 could be nice |
| 20:38.58 | KotCzarny | (and incompatible) |
| 20:38.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:39.23 | jott | to much abi breakages |
| 20:39.40 | KotCzarny | target is eabi or gnu/linux ? |
| 20:41.05 | jott | gnu/linux with eabi ;) |
| 20:43.43 | KotCzarny | let's give it a try |
| 20:43.52 | KotCzarny | (96mb download) |
| 20:44.02 | fang64 | rrrRv |
| 20:44.51 | h3sp4wn | I have an xscale router running with eabi (built with 4.2.0) cannot be just eabi |
| 20:45.14 | KotCzarny | that dl page is enigmatic then |
| 20:45.19 | h3sp4wn | there must be other reasons - Anyone tried building the kernel with realview |
| 20:46.43 | pupnik | well gronmayer says there's a 4.3 osso |
| 20:46.47 | KotCzarny | it lists arm eabi and arm gnu/linux |
| 20:46.52 | pupnik | for chinook no less |
| 20:46.58 | KotCzarny | pupnik: link? |
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| 20:48.34 | pupnik | search gronmayer under os2008 |
| 20:49.30 | KotCzarny | i can't see 4.3 |
| 20:49.35 | KotCzarny | only 3.4.4 |
| 20:50.02 | KotCzarny | see it there's : after 4 |
| 20:50.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:50.12 | KotCzarny | those dots are hidey |
| 20:51.14 | pupnik | 'big endian' would be a more appropriate eabi for me... :| |
| 20:51.14 | jott | i've a scratchbox target with gcc 4.2.1 but it's not really worth the effort without rebuilding everything :/ (all hail to the closed source nokia world) |
| 20:51.22 | christefano | has anyone compiled GnuPG to run on maemo? |
| 20:51.28 | pupnik | ok thx jott |
| 20:51.47 | pupnik | it's just that the sdl apps are a little more independent than some other things |
| 20:52.11 | KotCzarny | jott: how about static build apps? |
| 20:52.24 | jott | yeah well with a bunch of extra libs or static linking it might even work |
| 20:52.32 | pupnik | so you could just quick pop over uae4all and see what happens if you build it? :) |
| 20:52.52 | KotCzarny | first i would have to have gcc installed in sb |
| 20:52.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:53.02 | pupnik | talkin bout jott dude |
| 20:53.04 | jott | well cyclone is generated asm code so gcc cant optimize there ;) |
| 20:53.07 | KotCzarny | ah, sorry |
| 20:53.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:53.14 | jott | there is a deb |
| 20:53.17 | jott | somewhere :p |
| 20:53.26 | KotCzarny | link? |
| 20:53.31 | jott | google fails me :( |
| 20:53.32 | jott | ghmm |
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| 20:53.41 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 20:53.54 | jott | http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ |
| 20:54.20 | KotCzarny | interesting |
| 20:54.40 | pupnik | hi christefano i think someone did |
| 20:54.59 | jott | i've all the debs installed |
| 20:55.04 | jott | works fine for me |
| 20:55.14 | jott | (so still with gcc 3.4.4 as compiler) |
| 20:55.50 | jott | but atleast the cs2007q3 toolchain integrates with the maemo sdk scratchbox packages |
| 20:57.10 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:57.21 | KotCzarny | do i can simply install gcc deb in db? |
| 20:57.24 | KotCzarny | or outside? |
| 20:58.57 | pupnik | http://scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/toolchain.html |
| 20:59.02 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 21:00.17 | pupnik | good reading for me too |
| 21:00.36 | jott | KotCzarny: toolchain gcc has to be installed from the host system |
| 21:01.20 | jott | otherwise you would end up with a arm gcc that is run through qemu :P |
| 21:01.39 | KotCzarny | not a bad idea in itself |
| 21:01.40 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 21:02.03 | jott | if you have lots of spare time :) |
| 21:02.21 | KotCzarny | cputime, that is |
| 21:02.50 | jott | and development cycles |
| 21:03.06 | pupnik | have you profiled uae4all jott? |
| 21:03.16 | jott | no, not yet |
| 21:03.18 | pupnik | i'm not seeing *any* SDL routines show up above 0.5% cpu time |
| 21:03.54 | pupnik | sometimes i feel like i'm in the bavarian triangle |
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| 21:04.45 | jott | it would be nice to integrate cyclone in e-uae ;> |
| 21:04.58 | GNUton | Hi, sera! |
| 21:05.20 | KotCzarny | jott: i have found version of uae4all with integraded cyclone core |
| 21:05.24 | KotCzarny | integrated |
| 21:05.31 | jott | i know |
| 21:05.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:05.40 | jott | have you seen my touchscreen patch for it? |
| 21:05.48 | christefano | is anyone running GnuPG? I found something claiming to be a full version of GnuPG for Maemo but the domain for the repo has expired |
| 21:05.52 | jott | needs some little rework but lemmings is really playable ;) |
| 21:05.52 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:06.06 | KotCzarny | but i think about other way to fix it |
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| 21:06.13 | jott | still the gp2x has many ugly hacks and is kinda old :) |
| 21:06.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:06.29 | KotCzarny | but kinda works better :) |
| 21:06.30 | KotCzarny | for now |
| 21:06.41 | jott | well the scaling stuff is a bit messy |
| 21:06.51 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 21:06.58 | KotCzarny | too many levels of abstraction |
| 21:07.10 | jott | and even more #ifdef madness :) |
| 21:07.23 | KotCzarny | that's not that bad |
| 21:07.33 | KotCzarny | at least it's easier to cut off the source |
| 21:07.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:07.41 | jott | haha |
| 21:08.09 | jott | what do you want to change about the touchscreen? |
| 21:08.19 | jott | manual mouse clicks? |
| 21:08.24 | KotCzarny | adding mousequeue |
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| 21:08.37 | KotCzarny | because from what i have seen follow mouse mode works perfectly |
| 21:08.42 | KotCzarny | (in 127px steps) |
| 21:08.48 | jott | yeah.. |
| 21:08.58 | jott | works nice.. |
| 21:09.17 | KotCzarny | but clicks are executed at the beginning of the move |
| 21:09.18 | jott | no problem going from upper left to lower right |
| 21:09.40 | jott | yep |
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| 21:09.56 | jott | manual mouseclicks would solve this.. |
| 21:10.01 | jott | pocketuae also does it this way |
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| 21:11.52 | jott | (would also give an easy right click ;) |
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| 21:14.37 | jott | calibration would still be needed anyway... |
| 21:14.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:14.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:15.02 | jott | sure |
| 21:15.12 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:15.14 | jott | follow mouse tracks the mouse sprite |
| 21:15.24 | jott | the hot spot of the mouse pointer is not always the upper left corner |
| 21:15.25 | KotCzarny | i have tried only wb app |
| 21:15.33 | christefano | okay, I found a version of GnuPG for maemo at http://www.cs.cornell.edu/zlt/maemo/gnupg_1.4.3_arm.deb but there's no MD5 or documentation. does anyone know if this is a stable version for OS 2008? |
| 21:15.35 | jott | every crosshair would fail |
| 21:15.40 | KotCzarny | maybe in ndos games is different |
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| 21:18.03 | pupnik | christefano: maybe email zlt@cs.corn .... |
| 21:18.13 | christefano | I did :) |
| 21:18.33 | christefano | it's not guaranteed that he will respond, so I thought I'd ask here |
| 21:18.50 | pupnik | yeah i understand. |
| 21:18.57 | pupnik | more people should use GnuPG |
| 21:19.04 | christefano | definitely |
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| 21:20.44 | pupnik | unfortunately there's a tragedy of the commons effect there |
| 21:20.48 | pupnik | kind of |
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| 21:27.59 | skyn3t | can N810 access cell network over blue tooth ( through another phone ) and use that as data channel anyone knows ? |
| 21:28.06 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:28.17 | skyn3t | or is there any other solutions that would add cell connectivity to this tablet |
| 21:28.26 | KotCzarny | that's how sprint offers wimax |
| 21:31.02 | RayTracer` | pretty much that's the main way skyn3t |
| 21:31.13 | christefano | Joiku Hotspot turns the Nokia N95 and N96 into a wireless access point for wifi devices like the N810 |
| 21:31.18 | skyn3t | ok so I would need another phone then right |
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| 21:31.38 | KotCzarny | most phones can be used as modems |
| 21:31.39 | KotCzarny | over bt |
| 21:32.09 | RayTracer` | christefano is there a phone that can do that which is basically a simple 3g phone |
| 21:32.18 | RayTracer` | I don't want a smartphone if I carry my n810 everywhere |
| 21:33.24 | christefano | there's a list of supported phones at http://www.joiku.com/ |
| 21:33.53 | skyn3t | the only problem I guess is the cost, of getting a tablet and then N95/96, could easily turn into a $900 or more |
| 21:34.02 | christefano | yeah :( |
| 21:34.44 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 21:34.57 | KotCzarny | n800 can be had secondhand for 150$ |
| 21:34.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.29 | tank-man | is this possible? like i can setup some kind of server on my home pc w/ modem and then on the road use my bt ph w/ n8x0 and dial home for internet? |
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| 21:36.10 | glass | eh |
| 21:37.04 | KotCzarny | tank-man: one can use n8x0 - bt - phone as modem or n8x0 - wifi/bt - another comp/at |
| 21:37.49 | skyn3t | KotCzarny, what is the bare minimum for such setup N800 ? |
| 21:38.02 | tank-man | and speeds will be near 56k? |
| 21:38.16 | glass | 3g can be 2mbit/s |
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| 21:39.01 | glass | and you just need the phone and the n810 |
| 21:39.10 | tank-man | and data plan |
| 21:39.11 | glass | you buy the data service from your operator |
| 21:39.47 | skyn3t | what's this about sprint offering wimax, how does this work |
| 21:39.52 | tank-man | i dont like that data plan prices |
| 21:39.55 | skyn3t | do you need wimax compat phone for this ? |
| 21:40.43 | glass | well, some device that has a wimax modem at least |
| 21:41.11 | glass | tank-man: you'd rather pay for unlimited calling, use some rather ugly hack, rather than use the designed data? |
| 21:41.27 | glass | tank-man: sucks though if you got crappy data plan pricing |
| 21:41.32 | KotCzarny | skyn3t: as i said, you need hotspot (wifi way) or phone with data plan and bt |
| 21:41.34 | glass | we got 10e/month unlimited so.. |
| 21:41.55 | tank-man | just planing to use it infrequently, on the unlimited nights/weekends |
| 21:42.15 | skyn3t | csd is blocked here in canada where I live, so I am only stuck with data plan |
| 21:42.27 | skyn3t | so phone modems are out of question |
| 21:42.42 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:42.48 | KotCzarny | misunderstanding here i guess |
| 21:43.01 | KotCzarny | data can be accessed from a phone in a different ways |
| 21:43.10 | KotCzarny | csd/gprs/edge etc |
| 21:43.17 | skyn3t | I thought you were talking about csd sorry |
| 21:43.23 | KotCzarny | no, any service |
| 21:43.24 | skyn3t | ppp/slip with bt modem |
| 21:43.27 | skyn3t | right year |
| 21:43.30 | skyn3t | yea |
| 21:43.32 | KotCzarny | phone is seen as a modem |
| 21:43.45 | KotCzarny | but it's up to phone what service you use |
| 21:43.45 | skyn3t | gprs/edge and 3G are the ones available here |
| 21:43.48 | skyn3t | csd is outlawed |
| 21:43.55 | skyn3t | only for police use |
| 21:43.56 | KotCzarny | then any phone with bt |
| 21:44.11 | glass | well, hsdpa is a plus |
| 21:44.22 | KotCzarny | and that can do gprs/edge/3g |
| 21:45.02 | skyn3t | yeah, whats the maximum you can get on bt connection |
| 21:45.07 | skyn3t | data rate that is |
| 21:45.12 | KotCzarny | google |
| 21:45.17 | skyn3t | k |
| 21:45.21 | KotCzarny | but edge is ~mbits |
| 21:45.49 | glass | no |
| 21:45.59 | glass | it's in 200-270kbit/s range |
| 21:46.07 | KotCzarny | as i said ~mbit |
| 21:46.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:46.13 | skyn3t | the other thing you could do is go wifi to wifi ( if you had e61i or similiar phone ) |
| 21:46.42 | skyn3t | but that's expensive phone as well |
| 21:46.47 | KotCzarny | bt uses less power |
| 21:46.48 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 21:46.56 | KotCzarny | so it's still preferable |
| 21:47.16 | skyn3t | right |
| 21:47.25 | skyn3t | less range |
| 21:47.50 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Mobile_telephone_interfaces |
| 21:48.22 | KotCzarny | glass: edge-evolution is ~2mbit |
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| 21:49.43 | glass | KotCzarny: oh. rolled out functioning egprs tops around 192kbit/s though |
| 21:49.56 | KotCzarny | glass, yeah.. technology |
| 21:49.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:50.27 | KotCzarny | it has to be supported by service provider/be in coverage area too |
| 21:51.05 | skyn3t | gprs/edge is probably supported by most |
| 21:51.17 | KotCzarny | gprs is slow as hell |
| 21:51.18 | KotCzarny | and laggy |
| 21:51.20 | glass | used to be here that edge wasnt available everywhere |
| 21:51.25 | glass | by now it's pretty much in all cells though |
| 21:51.29 | KotCzarny | (bad for ssh) |
| 21:51.43 | glass | yea.. with 3g i got at best 140ms pings about |
| 21:51.48 | skyn3t | so then 3g maybe ?> |
| 21:52.04 | KotCzarny | skyn3t: depends what will be your usage pattern |
| 21:52.35 | skyn3t | just messaging and secure email |
| 21:52.43 | KotCzarny | then i guess gprs is enough |
| 21:53.31 | RayTracer` | anyone use clearwire? |
| 21:55.57 | skyn3t | N810 doesn't have pcmcia slot right |
| 21:56.01 | leif__ | has anyone tried building this for ITOS yet? http://elisa.fluendo.com/ |
| 21:56.58 | jott | leif__: elisa is opengl based |
| 21:57.20 | leif__ | But... it says it is meant for "PC, Consoles, Internet tablets, etc." |
| 21:57.22 | KotCzarny | skyn3t: has usb though |
| 21:57.36 | skyn3t | pity |
| 21:57.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:57.51 | skyn3t | cause then you could stick somethign like this |
| 21:57.53 | skyn3t | http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/services/vision/offers.asp |
| 21:57.53 | KotCzarny | adding pcmcia slot would make it biggy |
| 21:57.54 | leif__ | maybe they just mean MIDs :/ |
| 21:58.16 | jott | leif__: probably something with 3d drivers :) |
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| 21:58.43 | skyn3t | you can pretty much put n810 into pocket right |
| 21:58.46 | jott | i guess it might work with software rendering |
| 21:59.01 | jott | but i doubt it will be very smooth :) |
| 21:59.14 | KotCzarny | transluency mm |
| 21:59.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:59.47 | leif__ | yeah it actually wasn't even smooth on my ibook |
| 21:59.47 | RayTracer` | canola is probably going to be asclose to elisa as we'll have for a while |
| 22:00.12 | KotCzarny | without option to just browse files |
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| 22:00.21 | jott | tag your files KotCzarny :) |
| 22:00.34 | KotCzarny | jott: never! |
| 22:00.36 | jott | but i admit canola sucks when its about media handling |
| 22:00.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:00.56 | KotCzarny | and there's also metalayer-crawl-like issue |
| 22:00.58 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:01.12 | KotCzarny | for me it's enough to do a ls |
| 22:01.32 | leif__ | quodlibet might be nice on the tablet, but last I checked it wasn't in debian-arm due to some issue with python-ctypes iirc |
| 22:01.59 | leif__ | quodlibet has a filesystem view in addition to others, including an itunes-like one |
| 22:02.04 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 22:02.09 | skyn3t | hey check this out |
| 22:02.11 | skyn3t | http://www.vodacom.co.za/services/mobile_data/vodafone_usb_modem.jsp |
| 22:02.17 | skyn3t | thats pretty cool |
| 22:02.37 | skyn3t | I wonder if anyone else makes these kind of devices |
| 22:02.38 | KotCzarny | skyn3t: as long as it has linux drivers |
| 22:02.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:03.07 | KotCzarny | open source or compiled for n8x0 |
| 22:03.35 | skyn3t | yeah that would be nice |
| 22:03.42 | skyn3t | to get something like this for n810 |
| 22:03.59 | KotCzarny | what's a: Type II PC USB slot |
| 22:04.00 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 22:04.03 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 22:04.43 | KotCzarny | proudly south african? |
| 22:04.45 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 22:04.52 | skyn3t | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10770 |
| 22:05.46 | elb | there's nothing at all wrong with being proud of nationality |
| 22:05.59 | KotCzarny | elb: it's always being used by someone |
| 22:06.08 | elb | sure |
| 22:06.11 | elb | it can be taken too far |
| 22:06.19 | elb | but if you take away everything which can be taken too far ... you're left with nothing |
| 22:06.30 | KotCzarny | yeah. |
| 22:06.36 | elb | the Inquisition used to kill people by force-feeding them water ;-) |
| 22:06.43 | KotCzarny | but i grumble at 'using' it |
| 22:07.18 | KotCzarny | also nationality in itself doesn't matter much |
| 22:07.48 | KotCzarny | and sets barriers between people |
| 22:07.54 | KotCzarny | artificial barriers |
| 22:08.21 | KotCzarny | ie. 'i'm different than you, and because of that you suck' |
| 22:08.46 | KotCzarny | '..and have to die' |
| 22:08.54 | skyn3t | this is intresting |
| 22:08.56 | skyn3t | http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2008/01/hook-up-a-usb-d.html |
| 22:09.28 | KotCzarny | yes, that's necessary |
| 22:09.39 | RayTracer` | kotczarny well sometimes that makes problems easier to solve |
| 22:09.42 | leif__ | elb, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nationalism |
| 22:09.45 | KotCzarny | rt: lol |
| 22:09.48 | RayTracer` | if you have a good cause |
| 22:10.18 | elb | leif__: sure, you can find a wikipedia citation for any unreasonable viewpoint ;-) |
| 22:10.28 | KotCzarny | 'you're from different district, die' |
| 22:10.54 | elb | "you're white, you can't own a business" just happened in Zimbabwe |
| 22:11.06 | elb | and it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm proud I live in a nation where anyone can own a business" |
| 22:11.26 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:11.48 | jott | elb: even if you did not do anything about it? |
| 22:12.02 | leif__ | elb, imo there is some reason in that article, but you couldn't have read it all in the 40 seconds it took you to decry it as an "unreasonable viewpoint" |
| 22:12.33 | elb | leif__: anti-nationalism as a policy I find unreasonable, and I am already aware of its existence, apart from wikipedia |
| 22:12.51 | KotCzarny | anarchy ftw! |
| 22:13.07 | elb | jott: ideally one who would take such pride would be active in maintaining such freedoms, but you're right, there will always be those who ride on the coattails of success |
| 22:13.52 | jott | elb: well i guess it's > 99.9% who just ride |
| 22:13.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:14.06 | KotCzarny | 'hey, we have a democracy!' |
| 22:14.15 | KotCzarny | but we don't |
| 22:14.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:14.18 | elb | jott: not at all |
| 22:14.35 | elb | I'm sure that more than 1 out of 1000 people take at least *some* interest in their nation's welfare and operation |
| 22:14.52 | elb | at least, in *my* nation |
| 22:15.04 | leif__ | elb, which is yours? |
| 22:15.04 | KotCzarny | dreamer.. |
| 22:15.08 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:15.09 | elb | but I can't see it being any other way anywhere else |
| 22:15.18 | elb | leif__: the USA |
| 22:15.26 | leif__ | USA! USA! |
| 22:15.28 | leif__ | me too |
| 22:15.29 | KotCzarny | elb: you're the dreamer |
| 22:15.56 | elb | KotCzarny: you are willing to stand up and say that fewer than 1 out of 1000 Americans take any hand in their government? |
| 22:16.10 | elb | because if you are, I'm willing to point out a filthy-minded nationalist in this channel ;-) |
| 22:16.20 | KotCzarny | it's not what they want to do, but what happens really |
| 22:16.26 | elb | (I'd actually be shocked to find out that fewer than 1 out of 1000 Americans are civil servants) |
| 22:16.45 | Tama^2 | elb, any form of "we [arbitrary group name] are [qualifier clause]" are unreasonable and a bit ridiculous |
| 22:16.49 | KotCzarny | elb: do you consider illegal immigrants as americans? |
| 22:17.00 | elb | Tama^2: absolutely |
| 22:17.23 | elb | Tama^2: I don't *think* anyone in this discussion has made such a claim yet |
| 22:17.28 | leif__ | elb, can they start businesses though? I thought "any" could |
| 22:17.47 | KotCzarny | a. nyone |
| 22:17.58 | elb | KotCzarny: I'm not sure how that is relevant to the discussion; my personal belief is that there should be no such thing as an "illegal immigrant" |
| 22:17.58 | Tama^2 | elb: and it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm proud I live in a nation where anyone can own a business" |
| 22:18.06 | Tama^2 | elb: at least, in *my* nation |
| 22:18.22 | KotCzarny | elb: because first we need to know who are those americans |
| 22:18.31 | elb | Tama^2: are you saying it's not reasonable to say that, or that in this nation fewer than 1 out of 1000 people participate in politics? |
| 22:18.35 | pupnik | fun, offtopic |
| 22:18.41 | Tama^2 | yay, offtopic fun |
| 22:18.47 | elb | Tama^2: because I think you're either confused about what I said, or deliberately misconstruing it |
| 22:19.10 | elb | KotCzarny: even if you include "illegal immigrants", I'm sure at least 1 out of 1000 people in the USA participate in the political process |
| 22:19.33 | Tama^2 | (people partecipate in politics by gathering information, forming an opinion and voting) |
| 22:19.36 | jott | elb: well first its an arbitrary guess, and second, many of those activists are probably not prode of the achievements the gouverment made |
| 22:19.38 | elb | but my original point wasn't even to talk about the USA, you might notice, I simply used it as a case study and it was run with :-) |
| 22:19.40 | KotCzarny | elb: usa will be no more (soon) |
| 22:19.45 | KotCzarny | nwo is coming |
| 22:19.45 | jott | proude |
| 22:20.06 | KotCzarny | also usa is 200yo |
| 22:20.17 | jott | or even proud :) /me buys a spelling bee |
| 22:20.30 | elb | jott: sure, in any nation there are things to be proud of and things to change |
| 22:20.35 | KotCzarny | that means it's hard to tell who are those americans yo're talking about |
| 22:20.46 | elb | but I see no problem in people having pride in those things worth being proud of |
| 22:20.51 | Tama^2 | elb: it just seemed to me that you had implicitly taken a nationalist's position |
| 22:20.55 | KotCzarny | pride is a sin |
| 22:21.01 | elb | Tama^2: maybe you should reread what I said |
| 22:21.37 | elb | Tama^2: what I said, originally, is that I don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of one's nationality in and of itself |
| 22:21.45 | elb | and I'll stand by that |
| 22:21.45 | Tama^2 | it is wrong |
| 22:21.49 | pupnik | speaking of pride KotCzarny, did you and Jott work-out what should be done about mouse/stylus tracking in uae4all ? ;) |
| 22:21.52 | Tama^2 | and a bit ridicolous |
| 22:22.05 | Tama^2 | I mean, of course you can be |
| 22:22.10 | Tama^2 | I do not mind |
| 22:22.16 | pupnik | (i joking! but asking seriously too) |
| 22:22.20 | Tama^2 | but I find it funny and antiquated |
| 22:22.25 | KotCzarny | pupnik: breakfast time |
| 22:22.31 | elb | that's fine, you're welcome to your opinion |
| 22:22.33 | pupnik | ok guten appetit |
| 22:22.38 | KotCzarny | coding will continue shortly afterwards |
| 22:22.40 | elb | and I'm welcome to find that opinion funny and naïve |
| 22:22.51 | elb | and we're in complete agreement :-) |
| 22:23.02 | elb | funny isn't the right term ... sad is closer |
| 22:23.21 | pupnik | jott: would it be much trouble to share a binary that has your patch applied? i'm not sure why it's not working here (lemm2) |
| 22:23.37 | elb | because down that route lies things like *not* condemning Mugabe's Zimbabwe for forbidding ownership to foreign nationals and whites |
| 22:23.39 | jott | "i'm proud to be a water-boarder" *scnr* :) |
| 22:23.43 | skyn3t | looks like Huawei E220 HSDPA modem works with N810 |
| 22:23.59 | skyn3t | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/34462?page=last |
| 22:24.17 | Tama^2 | elb: that is clearly a fallacy in you reasoning, but this isn't the place to discuss this stuff |
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| 22:24.27 | elb | no, it's not |
| 22:24.30 | Super_Cas | hi |
| 22:24.30 | Tama^2 | and I shall go back to my work now |
| 22:24.34 | elb | you may not agree, but I definitely see the connection |
| 22:24.41 | elb | (it's all of a piece with relative morality) |
| 22:24.43 | jott | pupnik: yeah well i guess it might be a problem with different resolutions.. i actually started looking into the use of the full resolutions |
| 22:25.02 | KotCzarny | skyn3t: remember that nokia's usb port isn't meant to give more than 100-200mA |
| 22:25.12 | elb | one should be free to pass judgements, and pride of nationality is simply a judgement that says "I have analzyed my nation, and there are things there I like" |
| 22:25.13 | lcuk_3 | 100ma tops |
| 22:25.19 | pupnik | jott: that's a good thing to look into! :) |
| 22:25.23 | KotCzarny | but 4xAA pack should work on the go |
| 22:25.24 | elb | but ... I agree, this is not going to end in a productive manner |
| 22:25.54 | skyn3t | KotCzarny, you mean additional battery pack for the modem ? |
| 22:25.57 | lcuk_3 | 100ma is the specified ampage available to a standard usb device to initialize itself and communicate its requirements. it is also the specification for usb otg :) |
| 22:26.04 | Super_Cas | SHOULD I BUY A N800 |
| 22:26.04 | KotCzarny | skyn3t: yes |
| 22:26.23 | KotCzarny | Super_Cas: SHOULD YOU TURN OFF THE CAPS ? |
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| 22:26.34 | Super_Cas | kk |
| 22:26.48 | skyn3t | yeah looks like that thing needs around 700mA |
| 22:27.15 | KotCzarny | you can glue battery pack to modem itself |
| 22:27.16 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:27.19 | lcuk_3 | no usb should ever try to pull more than 500, and no device should ever supply more than 500 |
| 22:28.14 | elb | and devices which want 500 should negotiate it first |
| 22:28.17 | elb | (but many do not) |
| 22:28.35 | lcuk_3 | yes, hence the 100ma limit on init |
| 22:28.36 | KotCzarny | anyway, having a cellphone is handy anyway |
| 22:28.38 | elb | yeah |
| 22:28.46 | skyn3t | so, I wonder for that specific modem |
| 22:28.54 | skyn3t | will it work with battery supplied by N810 |
| 22:29.00 | skyn3t | or do I need to go external |
| 22:29.05 | KotCzarny | external |
| 22:29.19 | KotCzarny | if you read it correctly to draw 700mA |
| 22:29.29 | lcuk_3 | n810 ONLY supplies 100ma - usb OTG is not expected to give out more |
| 22:29.43 | Super_Cas | is the N800 battery good |
| 22:29.46 | Super_Cas | ? |
| 22:29.47 | lcuk_3 | thats why some keyboards work and others dont |
| 22:30.12 | lcuk_3 | mine draws 100ma, and works until i press multiple keys then it crashes 810 |
| 22:30.29 | skyn3t | ah so probably external then |
| 22:30.34 | skyn3t | well thats not an issue |
| 22:31.01 | lcuk_3 | use a powered hub and then the +vs come from there and not the device |
| 22:32.11 | smackpotato | there is a hub powered by batterys somewhere |
| 22:32.42 | lcuk_3 | and i also remember hearing about some power injecting thing for 770 host mode? |
| 22:33.13 | smackpotato | ya thoughtfix did that i think |
| 22:33.21 | skyn3t | lcuk_3, poweredhub ? |
| 22:33.39 | lcuk_3 | yer, a usb hub with a power adapter plugging into it |
| 22:33.53 | lcuk_3 | all devices then get their power from the adapter and not from the host machine |
| 22:34.00 | skyn3t | ah ok |
| 22:35.16 | smackpotato | radio shack has one |
| 22:35.41 | KotCzarny | i still think cheap phone can be better |
| 22:36.26 | lcuk_3 | -/me ;) |
| 22:38.38 | skyn3t | KotCzarny, building a dedicated, easy to use solution, so phone is not an option |
| 22:38.46 | skyn3t | but I agree probably cheaper |
| 22:39.04 | KotCzarny | and easy to use too |
| 22:39.32 | skyn3t | other thing I was looking at is Sony VAIO VGN-UX180P |
| 22:39.33 | KotCzarny | once it's configured it's a simple turn on cell/dial ppp |
| 22:39.37 | skyn3t | it had EDGE integrated |
| 22:41.06 | KotCzarny | not bad, what's the price? |
| 22:41.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:41.20 | skyn3t | $400 or so right now on ebay |
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| 22:41.32 | skyn3t | I think it has been discountinued |
| 22:41.34 | skyn3t | though |
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| 22:41.39 | KotCzarny | and it's sony |
| 22:41.59 | KotCzarny | though sonys had very good battery life |
| 22:42.03 | KotCzarny | from my experience |
| 22:42.45 | KotCzarny | and it doesn't do gsm/cdma |
| 22:43.09 | KotCzarny | or i'm bling |
| 22:43.12 | KotCzarny | blind |
| 22:43.48 | skyn3t | have you seen samsung q1 ultra |
| 22:44.08 | jott | those umpc are still quite big |
| 22:44.08 | skyn3t | http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Samsung-Q1-UMPC.htm |
| 22:44.19 | skyn3t | yeah I was wondering |
| 22:44.23 | skyn3t | how is that compared in size |
| 22:44.25 | skyn3t | to N810 |
| 22:44.45 | jott | http://www.mobiletechreview.com/image/Q1/Q1_jasjar_pepsi.jpg the page you linked has a size comparision |
| 22:45.06 | skyn3t | ah |
| 22:45.12 | skyn3t | so I-mate would be the n810 |
| 22:46.51 | KotCzarny | something in between |
| 22:47.01 | jott | http://www.sizeasy.com/ |
| 22:47.01 | KotCzarny | it's a little taller than pepsi |
| 22:47.37 | jott | and thinner than a htc universal :) |
| 22:47.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:48.10 | skyn3t | Q1 has optional HSDPA module it seems |
| 22:48.58 | KotCzarny | newer q1 revision also has keyboard |
| 22:49.00 | KotCzarny | afair |
| 22:49.28 | pupnik | KotCzarny: i want to be evaluating 'ocs' demos right? http://ada.untergrund.net/indexdemo.php?year=%25&category=demo&chipsets=ocs&avgvote=3&submitsort.x=45&submitsort.y=13&submitsort=sort |
| 22:49.44 | KotCzarny | argh. tiny.pl |
| 22:49.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:50.14 | pupnik | from what i just read, ocs should work with uae4all |
| 22:50.15 | KotCzarny | that page came up blank |
| 22:50.20 | pupnik | oh sry |
| 22:50.29 | unixSnob | any1 know of a ram-mounts part number that will interface w/ the N800? |
| 22:50.30 | pupnik | ada.untergrund.net - filtering demos by chipset ocs |
| 22:50.59 | KotCzarny | still blank |
| 22:51.03 | KotCzarny | ah. |
| 22:51.09 | KotCzarny | probably junkbuster got it |
| 22:51.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:52.36 | KotCzarny | ecs probably will work too |
| 22:52.57 | pupnik | ty |
| 22:54.02 | KotCzarny | #define long_fetch_ecs_weird() |
| 22:54.03 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:54.51 | KotCzarny | sprres = RES_SUPERHIRES |
| 22:55.39 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:55.53 | KotCzarny | i think aga emulation is here too |
| 22:56.05 | pupnik | 'my' old Zenith 110 had 640x400 in 8 colors (3 bitplanes).. a nice compromise for a 1984 (?) computer |
| 22:56.18 | KotCzarny | amiga is 1984 too |
| 22:56.21 | pupnik | oh wow |
| 22:56.38 | pupnik | aga was amiga 1200? |
| 22:56.41 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:56.59 | KotCzarny | and 4000 |
| 22:57.34 | pupnik | by the way, it was interesting to compare to PSP uae4all... source is available |
| 22:57.52 | KotCzarny | psp is arm too? |
| 22:58.17 | pupnik | don't remember - maybe 'mips' - ~ 333mhz or so |
| 23:01.27 | pupnik | now i need modplug for maemo-xmms :) |
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| 23:01.43 | jott | pupnik: use schism tracker :P |
| 23:01.49 | KotCzarny | i believe there was uade plug for xmms |
| 23:02.07 | jott | http://sse2.net/schism/schism.install :) |
| 23:02.10 | pupnik | potamus - extremely lightweight GTK-based audio player |
| 23:02.11 | pupnik | xmms-modplug - ModPlug plugin for XMMS |
| 23:02.24 | pupnik | ignore potamus dorry |
| 23:02.27 | pupnik | cool jott |
| 23:05.19 | pupnik | hmm why is my mmc2 read-only? |
| 23:05.31 | KotCzarny | corruption! |
| 23:05.42 | KotCzarny | but seriously, check dmesg |
| 23:06.53 | pupnik | [83637.593750] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 23:06.53 | pupnik | [83650.421875] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 23:06.59 | pupnik | about 100 of those...? |
| 23:07.14 | KotCzarny | that's only about dsp waking/sleeping i believe |
| 23:07.44 | pupnik | oh hehe ok |
| 23:08.57 | pupnik | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# fuser -m /media/mmc2 |
| 23:08.58 | pupnik | 15004 |
| 23:09.07 | pupnik | but there is no process 15004 :/ |
| 23:09.23 | KotCzarny | ps ax|grep 15004 ? |
| 23:09.33 | pupnik | just returns the grep |
| 23:09.36 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 23:10.00 | pupnik | hehe |
| 23:10.07 | pupnik | spooky violins |
| 23:10.11 | KotCzarny | [171491.781250] menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VDCDC3' |
| 23:10.30 | KotCzarny | that mean removing mmc/sd card really saves power |
| 23:10.42 | KotCzarny | it's powered even when not mounted |
| 23:11.14 | Tama^2 | yes, but when idle the card is put in low power mode |
| 23:11.33 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 23:11.40 | KotCzarny | not mine i think |
| 23:11.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:12.14 | Tama^2 | unfortunately some cards (my SDHC) draw the same amount of power even in low power mode |
| 23:12.22 | Tama^2 | they are crap cards |
| 23:12.36 | Tama^2 | SDHC? |
| 23:12.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:12.50 | Tama^2 | I had 2x 16Gb SDHC |
| 23:12.59 | KotCzarny | 4 and 8 here |
| 23:13.14 | Tama^2 | sold them because with them in the battery would last 25 hours VS almost 10 days without |
| 23:13.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:13.31 | pupnik | maemo-lau has a ton of open files |
| 23:13.31 | KotCzarny | what are you using now? |
| 23:13.47 | KotCzarny | pupnik: kill it! ;) |
| 23:13.51 | Tama^2 | nothing, I gave up on using the tablet for media playback |
| 23:13.53 | pupnik | heh |
| 23:13.56 | KotCzarny | tama: hehe |
| 23:14.17 | KotCzarny | i wonder which would behave the best |
| 23:14.42 | KotCzarny | mmc 1gb/mmc 2gb/sd 1|2/sdhc >1 |
| 23:14.52 | pupnik | 4GB kingston class-6 mini-SD seems to be reasonable - but i have little experience away from power long term |
| 23:15.19 | pupnik | i don't want 'mediaplay' or 'metalayer' running :/ |
| 23:16.10 | jott | i want the bme source :) |
| 23:16.11 | pupnik | oh nice /etc/init.d/mediaplayer-daemon seems to be ok |
| 23:16.16 | pupnik | bme? |
| 23:16.28 | jott | closed source power managment stuff |
| 23:16.33 | pupnik | ah |
| 23:16.46 | KotCzarny | decompile it? |
| 23:16.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:17.05 | KotCzarny | could be fun for a long winter nights |
| 23:17.11 | jott | KotCzarny: yeah too much effort.. |
| 23:17.14 | Brains | I am still somewhat confused as to why every app seems to only want to offer you multimedia files if they are on flash... Respect the NFS already! |
| 23:17.33 | KotCzarny | brains: i hate media libraries too |
| 23:17.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:17.44 | jott | KotCzarny: tell me about it! :) |
| 23:17.53 | KotCzarny | you can join my petition for a file browsers in media players! |
| 23:17.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:18.18 | KotCzarny | but you just gave us (and media players developers a valid point) |
| 23:18.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:18.34 | lcuk_3 | media library when done correctly can overcome the deficiencies of a slow file system. however the crawler should be intelligent enough to work without effecting the rest of the system |
| 23:18.51 | Brains | Anybody know how to turn off the predictive text stuff? |
| 23:18.57 | jott | and it should be possible to easily add folders :) |
| 23:18.59 | KotCzarny | lcuk: yeah, i would like to see metalayer-crawl on nfs |
| 23:19.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:19.02 | jott | (to scan) |
| 23:19.13 | KotCzarny | that would be fun |
| 23:19.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:19.20 | pupnik | i can predict what i'm typing now |
| 23:19.36 | lcuk_3 | yes brains, in control panel/text input settings on the final languages tab is another settings button. inside there is the tickboxes you seek. notice how nokia put them close to hand for you ;) |
| 23:19.36 | pupnik | sorry eh |
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| 23:21.40 | Brains | lcuk_3: You know, I did look there and just missed it entirely. |
| 23:21.43 | lcuk_3 | (for fullscreen) |
| 23:22.00 | lcuk_3 | it took me ages to totally get rid of the osk totally |
| 23:22.14 | pupnik | dude |
| 23:22.22 | pupnik | osk was taking up cpu? |
| 23:22.33 | KotCzarny | even hidden? |
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| 23:23.25 | lcuk_3 | lol, nope - at 800*480 YUV, the update is limited to 27fps flicker free. when i warm my cpu up now i can drop each glyph 6 times per frame before it goes slower than 27fps |
| 23:23.52 | lcuk_3 | for instance, if i draw the page 10 times i get about 20fps |
| 23:24.08 | pupnik | i have no entry for /media/mmc2 in /etc/fstab on os2008 - is this normal? |
| 23:24.11 | lcuk_3 | but if i draw it 1 times its 27fps |
| 23:24.16 | KotCzarny | pupnik: yes |
| 23:24.21 | lcuk_3 | but if i draw it 0 times its 27fps |
| 23:24.31 | KotCzarny | mmc-mount ignores fstab anyway |
| 23:24.34 | pupnik | :q |
| 23:24.40 | pupnik | oop pardon me |
| 23:25.21 | jott | pupnik: you could probably still do "mount -o rw,remount /media/mmc2" |
| 23:25.50 | KotCzarny | ..and lose data |
| 23:25.51 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:25.51 | pupnik | thanks i keep forgetting that |
| 23:25.55 | jott | KotCzarny: pfff :) |
| 23:26.06 | KotCzarny | there was a reason to get it ro |
| 23:26.09 | jott | vfat can't loose data :> |
| 23:26.16 | KotCzarny | and should be checked first |
| 23:26.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.33 | KotCzarny | jott, yeah... |
| 23:26.41 | pupnik | dmesg: mmcblk1: p1 exceeds device capacity |
| 23:26.48 | pupnik | heh |
| 23:27.00 | jott | pupnik: broken partition table ;) |
| 23:27.17 | jott | it's the internal 2gb partition? |
| 23:27.20 | KotCzarny | sfdisk can be used to reread partition table |
| 23:27.23 | pupnik | it's all JA2''s fault! |
| 23:27.24 | pupnik | yes |
| 23:27.26 | jott | it is known to have a broken partition table .. |
| 23:27.31 | pupnik | oh? |
| 23:27.46 | jott | don't you read the channel logs :P |
| 23:28.13 | jott | no seriously it's a known issue |
| 23:28.20 | jott | mine was wrong too |
| 23:28.27 | KotCzarny | on n-gage it was a trick to hide part of mmc card |
| 23:28.28 | jott | i have / on it now anyway ;) |
| 23:28.32 | pupnik | so i re-fdisk ? |
| 23:28.46 | jott | pupnik: yeah backup, and make a proper table |
| 23:29.30 | pupnik | thanks |
| 23:29.55 | lcuk_3 | ok, ssh time - i am trybing to set the current path before i run my program. the following used to work, but my current path was unknown and i had to hard write paths in to quickly get round the issue |
| 23:30.06 | lcuk_3 | ssh root@10.0.0.2 DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/liq/liqreader |
| 23:30.08 | pupnik | pwd? |
| 23:30.16 | lcuk_3 | i have tried changing it to: |
| 23:30.16 | lcuk_3 | ssh root@10.0.0.2 DISPLAY=:0.0 "cd /usr/bin/liq; liqreader" |
| 23:30.44 | KotCzarny | make a sh script |
| 23:30.44 | lcuk_3 | but its not working... any ideas? |
| 23:30.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:31.06 | lcuk_3 | kot, thats what it is |
| 23:31.16 | KotCzarny | you can cd in a script |
| 23:31.19 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 23:31.19 | lcuk_3 | ssh sends over a small script.. it works for other things |
| 23:31.57 | KotCzarny | also you can do export DISPLAY in a script too |
| 23:32.24 | KotCzarny | that will shorten your line considerably |
| 23:32.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:32.44 | lcuk_3 | ahhhaaa now this runs: ssh root@10.0.0.2 DISPLAY=:0.0 "cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqreader" |
| 23:32.53 | lcuk_3 | but the DISPLAY is not being passed over so sdl fails |
| 23:33.11 | KotCzarny | extend " |
| 23:33.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:33.49 | KotCzarny | ssh root@10.0.0.2 "export DISPLAY=:0.0; cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqreader" |
| 23:34.02 | KotCzarny | or simply: |
| 23:34.11 | KotCzarny | ssh root@10.0.0.2 "DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/liq//liqreader" |
| 23:34.16 | lcuk_3 | ahh i never needed the export line |
| 23:34.25 | lcuk_3 | but i just tried your second and it failed |
| 23:34.27 | KotCzarny | over ssh it can be weird |
| 23:34.57 | lcuk_3 | :D Yehhhhhhhh with export it works |
| 23:35.10 | lcuk_3 | now i can call it from any folder and it picks up things from where it is |
| 23:35.34 | lcuk_3 | but my test script will init with it in the proper place with test data |
| 23:36.15 | jott | lcuk_3: it not nice to make folders in /usr/bin :P |
| 23:36.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:36.22 | lcuk_3 | no shit sherlock |
| 23:36.29 | lcuk_3 | lol it was the first place i found that worked |
| 23:36.40 | lcuk_3 | and i needed a subfolder cos mine were getting lost |
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| 23:36.54 | lcuk_3 | i will have it somewhere else as soon as i take a breath |
| 23:36.56 | jott | lcuk_3: /usr/share/$APPNAME is for stuff |
| 23:37.10 | KotCzarny | or /usr/local/share |
| 23:37.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.14 | lcuk_3 | but when i have 10 apps |
| 23:37.22 | jott | well $PREFIX/share/$APPNAME ;) |
| 23:37.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.44 | jott | but if you package it, it should go to /usr/share :) |
| 23:37.48 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:38.08 | KotCzarny | and sometimes /usr/lib or /usr/libexec |
| 23:38.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:38.18 | KotCzarny | but that's a little special |
| 23:40.21 | jott | hehe you should see the mess of a windows fs :P |
| 23:40.26 | KotCzarny | or apple |
| 23:40.44 | lcuk_3 | scarily enough, i understand winfs for now |
| 23:40.53 | jott | actually lsb makes it quite clear where stuff has to go |
| 23:41.07 | KotCzarny | understand is a wrong word, 'accustomed' is better |
| 23:41.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:41.33 | lcuk_3 | ill accept that answer kot :) |
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| 23:44.04 | putterson | How hard would it be to turn an N810 into an input device for a desktop? |
| 23:44.15 | lcuk_3 | i have it already |
| 23:44.24 | lcuk_3 | its my remote control for when im playing movies on desktop |
| 23:44.40 | putterson | I was thinking more of a tablet...mouse |
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| 23:44.59 | jott | putterson: vnc? |
| 23:45.09 | putterson | oh right |
| 23:45.22 | b0r0las | saludos |
| 23:45.31 | putterson | could you make it so it wouldn't use up bandwidth transmitting the screen? |
| 23:45.32 | lcuk_3 | i could see nokia supplying a magnified view under the current cursor |
| 23:45.45 | lcuk_3 | and stroking the nokia moves the desktop cursor |
| 23:45.50 | KotCzarny | x2x |
| 23:45.55 | KotCzarny | that's a nice tool |
| 23:46.37 | putterson | damn windows |
| 23:46.46 | lcuk_3 | use it like a laptop trackpad |
| 23:46.49 | KotCzarny | x2x allows the keyboard and mouse on one ("from") X display to control another ("to") X display. |
| 23:47.52 | putterson | Yeah and windows doesn't use an X server |
| 23:47.52 | jott | "x2x has a long history. It was born in the times when life was hard, window managers were simple and displays were rectangle. " haha ;) |
| 23:49.30 | KotCzarny | putterson: yeah, they will invent it again and clain the ownership |
| 23:49.57 | jott | and patent it! |
| 23:49.57 | putterson | haha |
| 23:50.10 | KotCzarny | and name it 'revolutionary' |
| 23:50.12 | christefano | pupnik: I heard back from zlt. his version of GnuPG was compiled for OS 2006 |
| 23:50.15 | KotCzarny | or some other pr crap |
| 23:50.25 | jott | KotCzarny: actually that's apple not ms we are talking about, right? ;) |
| 23:50.32 | KotCzarny | jott: both |
| 23:50.35 | jott | indeed ;) |
| 23:50.44 | KotCzarny | at least apple had nice computer cases |
| 23:50.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:50.53 | KotCzarny | which m$ tried to copy |
| 23:50.56 | KotCzarny | and failed |
| 23:50.59 | KotCzarny | many many times |
| 23:51.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:51.04 | lcuk_3 | anyone know offhand the client space for a hildon window? (in pixels) |
| 23:51.11 | putterson | anyways so I was thinkink about using my N810 like a laptop trackpad |
| 23:51.12 | KotCzarny | 800-80 |
| 23:51.14 | KotCzarny | i believe |
| 23:51.17 | KotCzarny | for horizontal |
| 23:51.33 | lcuk_3 | thx, anyone have height? |
| 23:51.43 | jott | putterson: whats the problem of using vnc? its a nice addon to see the desktop ;) |
| 23:52.22 | putterson | jott, but wouldn't it really bog down the N810? |
| 23:52.38 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 23:52.41 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 23:52.49 | KotCzarny | putterson: you are thinking m$ apps |
| 23:53.13 | putterson | O.K., can you recommend any good clients? |
| 23:53.19 | KotCzarny | tightvnc |
| 23:53.27 | KotCzarny | for both *nix and m$ |
| 23:53.54 | KotCzarny | but i don't know if it's the right app |
| 23:53.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:54.06 | KotCzarny | i believe you want to use IT as a tablet |
| 23:54.12 | KotCzarny | for a windows |
| 23:54.19 | putterson | precisely |
| 23:54.31 | putterson | so what vnc clients are there for os2008 |
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| 23:54.43 | KotCzarny | i don't know if there is a way for remote input on windows |
| 23:54.48 | KotCzarny | other than rdesktop |
| 23:54.56 | KotCzarny | yeah, try rdesktop client |
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| 23:55.06 | KotCzarny | that will control windows |
| 23:55.21 | putterson | KotCzarny, I have a vnc server on my windows box |
| 23:55.32 | KotCzarny | then vnc is ok |
| 23:55.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:55.47 | putterson | I was just asking to a pointer to a vnc client for my tablet |
| 23:55.59 | KotCzarny | there should be one, i think |
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| 23:58.38 | lcuk_3 | its available from maemo.org |
| 23:59.00 | lcuk_3 | http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 23:59.26 | putterson | thanks |
| 23:59.51 | lcuk_3 | strangely enough i prefer it oriented the other way round |
