IRC log for #maemo on 20080305

`00:00.00`	`lcuk`	`its great for in the house i can code and xchat and stuff`
`00:00.14`	`lcuk`	`but then when its out im not worried that i have to take anything`
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`00:00.34`	`KotCzarny`	`me neither`
`00:00.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:00.35`	`lcuk`	`plus, the keyboard open on the side is perfect for book reader extras`
`00:01.31`	`lcuk`	`i have space and return and the dpad setup for thumb reading and lie in bed reading for hours without barely having to lift a finger :)`
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`00:01.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, I do that with my N800, too. :P`
`00:01.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Right out of the box.`
`00:02.07`	`lcuk`	`but i couldnt hold my 810 at night`
`00:02.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's what the stand is for.`
`00:02.28`	`lcuk`	`its not good for extensive gripping, theres nowhere comfy to rest`
`00:02.30`	`KotCzarny`	`why dpad..`
`00:02.37`	`KotCzarny`	`it has touchscreen for something`
`00:02.38`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:02.45`	`lcuk`	`lying on back with it held above chest`
`00:02.51`	`ds3`	`lcuk: is that 1/2" or 3/4" board?`
`00:03.05`	`lcuk`	`my old pda would slot between my knuckles and rest there - this kept falling out cos it was slippy`
`00:03.24`	`ds3`	`or just get a C3200 Z ;)`
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`00:03.33`	`lcuk`	`dunno, lemme find my ruler`
`00:03.40`	`KotCzarny`	`reading in bed is bad for your eyes, anyway`
`00:04.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Pfft`
`00:04.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Bad for your sleeping habits, maybe.`
`00:04.14`	`lcuk`	`black paper, dark grey text`
`00:04.20`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:04.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Using your eyes wont damage them.`
`00:04.27`	`KotCzarny`	`it will`
`00:04.30`	`KotCzarny`	`trust me`
`00:04.47`	`KotCzarny`	`but that's the price of life`
`00:04.47`	`johnx`	`which is why you should always leave them closed...`
`00:05.17`	`lcuk`	`1.8m18mm (0.7ins)`
`00:05.31`	`lcuk`	`-1.8m ;)`
`00:06.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Kot, what you do optometry on the side?`
`00:06.14`	`lcuk`	`i used to read audiobooks`
`00:06.18`	`lamia`	`An object like a book or something small should be 10 inches away from your eyes so you don't damage them.`
`00:06.23`	`KotCzarny`	`yawn`
`00:06.23`	`lcuk`	`but they were too small`
`00:06.29`	`lcuk`	`i have reader at arms length`
`00:06.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:07.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Again, you can't damage your eyes using them.`
`00:07.28`	`KotCzarny`	`ga: not true`
`00:07.43`	`lcuk`	`http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg`
`00:07.48`	`KotCzarny`	`and you have glasses too`
`00:07.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`00:07.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I've always had bad vision.`
`00:08.06`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah, always`
`00:08.14`	`KotCzarny`	`it's an excuse for 'starting early'`
`00:08.16`	`lcuk`	`he had to squint to read his first nokia`
`00:08.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Reading may cause eye strain, but eye strain is temporary, it doesn't damage your vision. <_<`
`00:08.56`	`KotCzarny`	`extended eye strain damages eyes`
`00:09.06`	`KotCzarny`	`it's like hunching`
`00:09.14`	`lamia`	`I have been watching cartoons in front of the TV since i was like 5, i have perfect 20/20 vision....eat carrots and fish!`
`00:09.18`	`KotCzarny`	`too much, and you have bad posture for life`
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`00:09.33`	`KotCzarny`	`cartoons != books`
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`00:10.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/health/04real.html`
`00:11.02`	`KotCzarny`	`yesh.. nytimes is a good source of wisdom`
`00:11.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:11.09`	`ds3`	`so about 3/4 stock`
`00:11.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2000/2080.asp?index=8562`
`00:12.00`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. parasites can damage your sight too`
`00:12.04`	`KotCzarny`	`did you know that?`
`00:12.16`	`KotCzarny`	`and not only sight..`
`00:12.27`	`lcuk`	`reading with dry eyesyer ds3`
`00:12.39`	`lcuk`	`feck must learn to clear before retyping`
`00:12.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:12.48`	`ds3`	`hmmm what changed all of a sudden in media player`
`00:12.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.youreyedoctors.com/LMAvisionmyths.html`
`00:13.05`	`KotCzarny`	`ga: myths come and go`
`00:13.07`	`ds3`	`last week media player with a shoutcast stream was updating the metadata; this week it is not`
`00:13.22`	`KotCzarny`	`there's always cause and effect`
`00:14.04`	`KotCzarny`	`ds3: on every stream or just your favourite?`
`00:14.14`	`ds3`	`KotCzarny: just my favorite`
`00:14.25`	`KotCzarny`	`then it may be it`
`00:14.28`	`ds3`	`it updates if I goto another screen and come back`
`00:14.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`KotCzarny, don't spread BS around. It's irritating.`
`00:14.34`	`ds3`	`just not as the songs change`
`00:15.15`	`KotCzarny`	`ga: sure, and pretending to be right on everything is stuck-up attitude`
`00:15.25`	`johnx`	`ok guys, you both win. take it to #opthamologist-debates`
`00:15.38`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:16.05`	`KotCzarny`	`in 19th century science pretended to be satisfied and complete`
`00:16.14`	`KotCzarny`	`and what happened?`
`00:16.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`00:16.21`	`johnx`	`they smoked opium?`
`00:16.30`	`KotCzarny`	`and drank absinth`
`00:17.03`	`johnx`	`and their computers sucked :/`
`00:17.11`	`ds3`	`so.... something more on topic... anyone has the free parts of the maemo running on a x86 MID platform (i.e. wibrain or the samsungs)?`
`00:17.35`	`johnx`	`ds3, nope, but I'm working on it for the zaurus`
`00:17.54`	`ds3`	`johnx: for collie? <VBG>`
`00:18.02`	`johnx`	`nah...akita`
`00:18.17`	`johnx`	`320x240 is just not enough...640x480 is more doable I think`
`00:18.21`	`ds3`	`i need something useful to do with the collie`
`00:18.27`	`johnx`	`me too :/`
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`00:18.38`	`johnx`	`I'm thinking web server`
`00:18.48`	`ds3`	`if someone could get the base going, then I could put maemo mapper on it`
`00:19.00`	`johnx`	`maemo mapper on a collie?`
`00:19.04`	`ds3`	`sure`
`00:19.06`	`johnx`	`that would be kind neat`
`00:19.16`	`johnx`	`there's already a maemo-mapper nohildon in angstrom`
`00:19.27`	`johnx`	`just need x server and libgtk2 for that`
`00:19.35`	`johnx`	`(and some other minor libs)`
`00:19.35`	`ds3`	`it is mostly comparable to the 770 but with a bit more IO and absolutely no SDIO`
`00:19.57`	`ds3`	`does PM on angstrom work properly on collie?`
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`00:20.15`	`johnx`	`actually angstrom won't boot on collie right now...`
`00:20.23`	`ds3`	`the PM problems is what kept me off OpenZ`
`00:20.32`	`johnx`	`the latest openzaurus works fine`
`00:20.39`	`ds3`	`with PM? :)`
`00:20.42`	`johnx`	`you could backport maemo mapper to openzaurus without many problems I think`
`00:20.47`	`johnx`	`ds3, yes IIRC`
`00:20.52`	`ds3`	`hmm`
`00:20.54`	`johnx`	`it's been a long time`
`00:21.06`	`johnx`	`and my collie is kinda messed up`
`00:21.13`	`ds3`	`the last time i tried it, resume is was broken :(`
`00:21.31`	`johnx`	`well it works under 2.6 I think...but a lot of other things don't :)`
`00:21.46`	`ds3`	`oh`
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`00:21.53`	`johnx`	`actually...no it probably doesn't work under the 2.6 that's available now`
`00:22.09`	`ds3`	`seems SA support is fading`
`00:22.15`	`johnx`	`ds3, yeah`
`00:22.24`	`bucky1`	`anyone have an n810 thats insides jiggle a little when you shake it?`
`00:22.25`	`johnx`	`it doesn't help that it falls below the EABI cutoff`
`00:22.39`	`ds3`	`EABI don't work on ARMv4?`
`00:22.54`	`johnx`	`not strongarm...it can work on armv4t I think`
`00:23.05`	`ds3`	`SA is basically a ARMv4, IIRC`
`00:23.24`	`ds3`	`oh T hmmm`
`00:23.25`	`johnx`	`that sounds right...but it has no "t" and apparently the t is important`
`00:23.38`	`johnx`	`I'm just going by what it says on the debian eabi wiki`
`00:23.41`	`ds3`	`not sure why thumb is needed for EABI though... shrug`
`00:24.41`	`ds3`	`ah it is a GCC problem, not really a EABI issue`
`00:25.40`	`johnx`	`stretching my understanding here...but I think there is a way to work around missing features in gcc/libc to get EABI on strongarm but no one has done it, and it would likely cause a slowdown for later arm architectures`
`00:26.05`	`ds3`	`this should be hack-around-able in the kernel by trapping the bad instructions (i.e. the bx to thumb)`
`00:26.26`	`johnx`	`wouldn't that be ungodly slow? (like "hardfloat")`
`00:26.33`	`ds3`	`don't think so`
`00:26.48`	`ds3`	`ah nevermind`
`00:26.56`	`ds3`	`nix that, the EABI does call out thumb support :(`
`00:27.22`	`johnx`	`http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort has the info that I'm referencing`
`00:27.23`	`ds3`	`<-- reading the debian wiki backwards from bottom up`
`00:27.28`	`johnx`	`ah, ok`
`00:27.32`	`ds3`	`yep, same page here but I was reading it backwards`
`00:27.47`	`KotCzarny`	`o.O`
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`00:27.50`	`ds3`	`thought the issue was gcc emitting the bx instruction; that itself can be fixed but if EABI calls out thumb, that's a bigger problem`
`00:28.38`	`ds3`	`i suppose the kernel can be mod'ed to segill on any real thumb instructions other then bx (set T bit in CPSR)`
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`00:28.48`	`ds3`	`that way it can sort of run EABI stuff`
`00:29.25`	`ds3`	`basically option 6`
`00:29.34`	`ds3`	`but not as extensive`
`00:29.39`	`johnx`	`but while everyone is talking about this armv5te is becoming the new "best bang for your buck" arm version...`
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`00:30.20`	`ds3`	`in terms of silicon prices or performance?`
`00:30.50`	`johnx`	`even in terms of availability...`
`00:31.01`	`johnx`	`how much consumer accessible strongarm stuff is still sold?`
`00:31.12`	`ds3`	`sold? heheh`
`00:31.18`	`ds3`	`seeing how it is 3 companies old`
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`00:58.43`	`KotCzarny`	`http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/pccomputers/portfolio.html`
`00:58.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
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`01:20.35`	`texel`	`Where does Xomap read it's configuration file from?`
`01:20.40`	`texel`	`Or does it just assume defaults?`
`01:20.49`	`johnx`	`it takes some command line arguments`
`01:21.08`	`johnx`	`look in /etc/init.d/x-server`
`01:21.08`	`texel`	`Right, I saw that in the /etc/init.d/x-server script, but those don't specify things like xkb keyboard types.`
`01:21.23`	`texel`	`Specifically, I'm looking for an xorg.conf-like file somewhere.`
`01:21.30`	`johnx`	`I don't think there is one :/`
`01:21.34`	`texel`	`Greh.`
`01:21.43`	`johnx`	`it pulls some keyboard info out of hal I think`
`01:21.49`	`texel`	`Ahh.`
`01:21.51`	`texel`	`That makes sense.`
`01:22.25`	`texel`	`Debian/N800? O.o`
`01:23.03`	`johnx`	`I'm just trying to make Debian work a little better on the N800`
`01:23.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`01:23.24`	`texel`	`Ahh. Coolio.`
`01:23.33`	`texel`	`I, too, have a Debian chroot on my external SD.`
`01:23.35`	`texel`	`Comes in handy.`
`01:23.45`	`johnx`	`I can boot Debian off of SD :)`
`01:23.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:23.53`	`texel`	`Though I imagine you're using a fully booting environment. =o)`
`01:23.58`	`johnx`	`yup`
`01:24.06`	`johnx`	`everything but sound and some power saving stuff`
`01:24.38`	`KotCzarny`	`huh`
`01:24.44`	`KotCzarny`	`power sacing is a must`
`01:24.48`	`KotCzarny`	`saving`
`01:24.49`	`ds3`	`johnx: including wifi?`
`01:25.01`	`johnx`	`ds3 of course :)`
`01:25.12`	`johnx`	`w/ wpa even :D`
`01:25.13`	`ds3`	`johnx: you are using the Nokia kernel modules?`
`01:25.27`	`ds3`	`or you got the freemac stuff working with it?`
`01:25.41`	`johnx`	`there's a patched wifi module to enable some basic wext 18 support`
`01:25.51`	`texel`	`Actually, that brings up an interesting question, I'd like to ask.`
`01:26.05`	`texel`	`johnx: have you had issues installing emacs22 in Debian armel?`
`01:26.19`	`ds3`	`that still limits you; i.e you can't just put in 2.6.24 w/o nokia's help`
`01:26.20`	`johnx`	`I haven't tried`
`01:26.54`	`johnx`	`ds3, it is limiting, but I'm working on things I can actually accomplish...I'm not up to kernel hacking yet`
`01:27.13`	`johnx`	`texel, want me to try it?`
`01:27.24`	`texel`	`johnx: feel free. =o)`
`01:27.40`	`texel`	`My install is complaining that the package depends on an older distro version of libungif, IIRC.`
`01:27.42`	`ds3`	`heh`
`01:27.46`	`texel`	`Which, weirdly, isn't in the repo.`
`01:27.51`	`johnx`	`aah...hmm`
`01:28.05`	`ds3`	`what would be really nice is 2.6.21 or 2.6.24 on the 770 w/WiFi + BT working`
`01:28.19`	`texel`	`Ie: wants libungif1.x-3, but only has libungif1.x-4`
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`01:29.58`	`johnx`	`texel, do you have enough space to compile the older version from source?`
`01:30.35`	`texel`	`Mm. I was looking into that, actually, but gave up and decided to compile especially for Maemo.`
`01:30.51`	`texel`	`I figured a nice, Hildonized version of Emacs would be much better.`
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`01:31.00`	`livinded`	`ewwwww`
`01:31.01`	`rm_you`	`AHHHHHH`
`01:31.04`	`rm_you`	`BLASHPHEMER`
`01:31.20`	`johnx`	`ahaha`
`01:31.23`	`texel`	`Heh`
`01:31.26`	`livinded`	`the Vible?`
`01:31.31`	`texel`	`vi`
`01:31.34`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:31.40`	`texel`	`TBH, I use vim quite often as well.`
`01:31.44`	`texel`	`I just prefer emacs for code.`
`01:32.02`	`johnx`	`you're all unbelievers. There is only one true echo(1)...`
`01:32.08`	`texel`	`Heh`
`01:32.12`	`KotCzarny`	`mcedit`
`01:32.13`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:32.14`	`ds3`	`nvi or cat... no vim :P`
`01:32.16`	`texel`	`COPY CON: > FILENAME.TXT`
`01:32.21`	`texel`	`Err...`
`01:32.25`	`texel`	`COPY CON: FILENAME.TXT`
`01:33.18`	`texel`	`johnx: Anyway, I was just curious if you were hitting the same issue at all.`
`01:33.25`	`johnx`	`I'll test it`
`01:33.38`	`johnx`	`the package is just 'emacs22'`
`01:33.39`	`johnx`	`?`
`01:33.43`	`texel`	`Yep.`
`01:33.55`	`texel`	`Thanks, johnx.`
`01:33.58`	`johnx`	`nope`
`01:34.02`	`johnx`	`wants libungif`
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`01:34.19`	`texel`	`Mm. Okay, so then it's Debian armel's repo being insane, then.`
`01:34.22`	`texel`	`Weird.`
`01:34.22`	`johnx`	`emacs22: Depends: libungif (>= 4.1.4)`
`01:34.36`	`johnx`	`I've seen similar things`
`01:34.38`	`texel`	`Which actually is in the repo, but it's looking for an older distro-version.`
`01:34.41`	`johnx`	`network manager had issues as well`
`01:34.52`	`texel`	`If you chase the depends tree, you'll see the weirdness.`
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`01:35.34`	`johnx`	`I wish network manager actually worked :/ I think the wext patches to cx3110x aren't quite enough to satisfy network manager`
`01:35.58`	`texel`	`Guess I get to go insane hacking on emacs gtk interface. =op`
`01:36.01`	`ds3`	`i wish the network management were more sane`
`01:36.16`	`ds3`	`#@!$@!#!@!@#$ network management ignores bluetooth settings :(`
`01:36.54`	`johnx`	`I think Nokia suffers from some NIH syndrome :/`
`01:36.55`	`texel`	`Or at least that gnome-keychain was rewritten to store keychain data securely.`
`01:37.03`	`texel`	`johnx: how so? O.o`
`01:37.18`	`ds3`	`NIH syndrome?`
`01:37.23`	`johnx`	`not invented here`
`01:37.27`	`texel`	`ds3: Not Invented Here syndrome.`
`01:37.28`	`ds3`	`ah`
`01:37.40`	`ds3`	`was thinking National Institue of Health :/`
`01:37.43`	`texel`	`Thanks for the help guys. =o)`
`01:37.44`	`johnx`	`dsme/bme? wlancond?`
`01:38.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:39.03`	`ds3`	`i just wish the network management could be a lot more configurable and consistant. don't care where it comes from`
`01:39.53`	`AlphaLux`	`more configurable in what way?`
`01:40.09`	`ds3`	`do you want my entire wish list or just the answer to that q?`
`01:40.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:40.36`	`AlphaLux`	`let us go for the succinct answer :)`
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`01:41.28`	`ds3`	`to start with - priority in the network profile so if there are multiple WiFi networks; I can say try this one first hten the next one; ability to disable a profile`
`01:41.36`	`ds3`	`that's 2 to start with; I got more`
`01:42.38`	`AlphaLux`	`ah, yeah some type of priority setting would be nice`
`01:43.01`	`ds3`	`an example is i was out of coverage for my carrier for the entire time; I do not want it to automatically connecto to the phone and attempt to dial out`
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`01:43.06`	`rm_you`	`GeneralAntilles: :P`
`01:43.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Stupid Comcast.`
`01:43.17`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`01:43.28`	`ds3`	`right now the only way I can do that is to tell it I don't have a phone; disabling bluetooth is ignored for network purposes but enabled for things like a GPS :(`
`01:43.38`	`AlphaLux`	`general, how's your bittorent working? :)`
`01:43.44`	`ds3`	`and yes, this need did arise this past weekend`
`01:43.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`:P`
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`01:46.41`	`errordeveloper`	`hi ..`
`01:47.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`rm_you, have you decided to work on my cool project yet? :P`
`01:47.22`	`errordeveloper`	`i cannot activate the 'red pill' mode on my n800 .. :(`
`01:47.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Why do you need it, errordeveloper?`
`01:48.09`	`KotCzarny`	`ed: how do you do it?`
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`01:48.50`	`Deformative`	`Is there a webkit for the nokia 770?`
`01:49.29`	`alp`	`Deformative: yeah, you need a patch to build against GTK+ 2.6 though`
`01:49.47`	`Deformative`	`Is there a deb for it anywhere?`
`01:49.58`	`alp`	`don't think so`
`01:51.27`	`Deformative`	`Sigh.`
`01:51.37`	`Deformative`	`Is there a faster pdf reader?`
`01:52.00`	`johnx`	`are you on OS2006 or OS2007HE?`
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`01:52.20`	`Deformative`	`2006`
`01:52.24`	`johnx`	`hmm`
`01:52.41`	`johnx`	`look for evince...I know it's available for OS2007 but I have no idea about OS2006`
`01:52.47`	`Deformative`	`Everything on 2006 is rather slow.`
`01:52.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The 770 is slow.`
`01:53.09`	`Deformative`	`The processor is hardly slow.`
`01:53.15`	`Deformative`	`The only real limitation is the ram.`
`01:53.27`	`johnx`	`well the processor isn't exactly fast...`
`01:53.33`	`Navi`	`It's pretty slow`
`01:53.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`01:53.46`	`Navi`	`Add some swap to help with the ram limitation`
`01:54.05`	`Deformative`	`The processor is prolly comparable with the computer I am on at the moment.`
`01:54.11`	`Deformative`	`600 ghz powerpc.`
`01:54.20`	`johnx`	`probably not`
`01:54.32`	`ds3`	`OMAP1710 @ 200MHz ish is a tad bit slower`
`01:54.41`	`Navi`	`I don't see how a 200mhz ARM can compare to a 600ghz PPC`
`01:54.42`	`KotCzarny`	`600ghz?`
`01:54.45`	`johnx`	`more comparable to a Pentium 233 with it's FPU disabled`
`01:54.46`	`KotCzarny`	`now that's`
`01:54.48`	`KotCzarny`	`fast`
`01:54.48`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:54.49`	`Deformative`	`mhz*`
`01:55.02`	`Deformative`	`Oh, really, I thought it was 400mhz`
`01:55.02`	`ds3`	`johnx: the FPU can be enabled. it does have a DSP afterall`
`01:55.10`	`rm_you`	`GeneralAntilles: I still don't see the point >_>`
`01:55.17`	`KotCzarny`	`n800 has 400mhz cpu`
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`01:55.26`	`Deformative`	`Ah, my mistake.`
`01:55.26`	`johnx`	`ds3 I thought it was missing the VFP?`
`01:55.29`	`Deformative`	`Then yes, it is slow.`
`01:55.44`	`ds3`	`johnx: yes it is missing VFP but has the second DSP core`
`01:56.02`	`johnx`	`ah...but maemo doesn't use it?`
`01:56.08`	`ds3`	`no no`
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`01:56.24`	`ds3`	`there is no DSP on the Pentium`
`01:56.30`	`ds3`	`so each has its own advantages`
`01:56.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:56.48`	`johnx`	`"and this chip enables faster than light travel...but it isn't enabled..."`
`01:56.51`	`rm_you`	`GeneralAntilles: do some research for me about icon theming :P`
`01:57.23`	`Deformative`	`Hmm, I wonder if I should get the next generation of nokia tablet or a ps3. :D`
`01:57.47`	`ds3`	`get both :)`
`01:57.56`	`Deformative`	`Nah, too expensive.`
`01:58.07`	`Tama^2`	`rm_you, good I see you are using GA too ;)`
`01:58.29`	`KotCzarny`	`ps2 isn't portable`
`01:58.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:58.33`	`KotCzarny`	`erm. ps3`
`01:58.54`	`rm_you`	`^_^`
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`02:29.48`	`dospod`	`haha wow net split`
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`02:31.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hub went down.`
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`02:45.07`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`02:45.43`	`KotCzarny`	`rough estimated standby time 130-155h`
`02:45.47`	`KotCzarny`	`(5-6d)`
`02:45.48`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`03:12.59`	`plb`	`where can i get irssi or xchat for n800 os2008?`
`03:14.17`	`doc\|home`	`garage.maemo.org although I tried to start irssi yesterday after installing it and it wouldn't work :/`
`03:14.24`	`doc\|home`	`xchat seems to not have released files yet`
`03:14.56`	`plb`	`=\`
`03:15.07`	`plb`	`recommand any other apps for n800? just got it today ;]`
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`03:15.27`	`plb`	`I got mplayer, pidgin, and that last.fm client so far`
`03:15.40`	`KotCzarny`	`maemo-mapper`
`03:15.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:15.48`	`plb`	`whats that?`
`03:15.51`	`doc\|home`	`nope, not that I know of, sorry, I just ssh'd to another box and used irssi from there`
`03:15.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/`
`03:15.56`	`KotCzarny`	`ever seen maps.google.com ?`
`03:15.59`	`plb`	`yep`
`03:16.05`	`KotCzarny`	`something like this`
`03:16.07`	`KotCzarny`	`but with caching`
`03:16.10`	`plb`	`ah`
`03:16.14`	`KotCzarny`	`and support for other map dbs`
`03:16.21`	`plb`	`neat`
`03:16.27`	`KotCzarny`	`usefull`
`03:16.35`	`KotCzarny`	`and has gps support`
`03:16.46`	`KotCzarny`	`(not that i use gps)`
`03:16.53`	`plb`	`me either`
`03:17.01`	`KotCzarny`	`'neither'`
`03:17.02`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:17.53`	`KotCzarny`	`fbreader, maemo recorder, quiver image viewer, mplayer, ecaile music player`
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`03:18.05`	`KotCzarny`	`bomberman, doom`
`03:18.14`	`KotCzarny`	`xarchiver`
`03:18.31`	`KotCzarny`	`vncviewer, rdesktop`
`03:18.37`	`*** join/#maemo ttmrichter (n=ttmricht@58.48.196.56)`
`03:18.43`	`Drges`	`"useful"`
`03:18.56`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: i never remember that`
`03:19.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:19.12`	`KotCzarny`	`and i confuse it with useless`
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`03:19.17`	`plb`	`gotta have mplayer ;]`
`03:20.00`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, whatever, I obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.`
`03:20.25`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: good, i approve`
`03:20.26`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:20.40`	`KotCzarny`	`though english is a mess`
`03:20.47`	`Drges`	`s/obsess/don't obsess/`
`03:20.51`	`KotCzarny`	`rule there, rule here`
`03:20.55`	`MipsIrv`	`i'm assuming the kernel source hasn't been released for the nokia platforms eh?`
`03:20.57`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`03:21.04`	`KotCzarny`	`that's a little difference`
`03:21.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:21.18`	`Drges`	`Fully intentional to get you rambling.`
`03:21.19`	`KotCzarny`	`mipsirv: it has been`
`03:21.25`	`*** join/#maemo asciii (n=WinNT@211.25.195.202)`
`03:21.26`	`KotCzarny`	`but not complete`
`03:21.27`	`*** part/#maemo asciii (n=WinNT@211.25.195.202)`
`03:21.30`	`KotCzarny`	`still has binary blobs`
`03:21.46`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: you will`
`03:21.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:22.57`	`plb`	`no frozen-bubble =\`
`03:23.09`	`*** join/#maemo sbk (n=snot@zeus.ubershells.com)`
`03:23.11`	`KotCzarny`	`plb: there are substitues i think`
`03:23.23`	`KotCzarny`	`if not i will be compiling it one day`
`03:23.47`	`plb`	`hehe fb is awesome`
`03:23.48`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, I used to, however, now I just see it as assholeish.`
`03:23.58`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, asshole.`
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`03:24.13`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: i see it as the only way to not start speaking ircish`
`03:24.15`	`*** join/#maemo Dregs (n=Dregs@unaffiliated/dregz)`
`03:24.27`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: calling other people names is assholeish`
`03:24.28`	`KotCzarny`	`though`
`03:24.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:24.29`	`sbk`	`so ive had my nokia N810 since last friday`
`03:24.32`	`sbk`	`let me tell you guys`
`03:24.36`	`sbk`	`im REALLY enjoying it`
`03:24.37`	`plb`	`hm how come the app manager won't update maps...says its from a different source`
`03:24.53`	`Navi`	`"ircish" ain't not no language.`
`03:25.02`	`KotCzarny`	`no shit?`
`03:25.12`	`sbk`	`haha Navi`
`03:25.17`	`hoopy`	`so how many of you guys are linux buffs`
`03:25.33`	`hoopy`	`i'm wanting a "linux appliance"`
`03:25.46`	`hoopy`	`perfereable solid state... i was wondering what arm linux is like`
`03:25.47`	`plb`	`hoopy: I've been using linux since 1999`
`03:25.55`	`sbk`	`I been on linux since 2000`
`03:26.05`	`hoopy`	`i've been using it since about 2002`
`03:26.10`	`sbk`	`< net engineer for a private network`
`03:26.14`	`KotCzarny`	`hoopy: get a laptop and cf-ide adapter`
`03:26.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:26.23`	`sbk`	`if you wana make some paper, get a linux job :P`
`03:26.28`	`hoopy`	`what does that get ya`
`03:26.35`	`sbk`	`80k to start?`
`03:26.38`	`hoopy`	`there probably aren't any linux jobs in my podunk ass town`
`03:27.12`	`Navi`	`The only Linux jobs around here are University jobs`
`03:28.02`	`sbk`	`word`
`03:28.11`	`sbk`	`its worth looking into it`
`03:28.11`	`hoopy`	`what city do you live in sdk?`
`03:28.16`	`plb`	`hm does n800 keep it self up to date automatically?`
`03:28.17`	`sbk`	`Los Angeles`
`03:28.22`	`sbk`	`I started in NYC tho`
`03:28.25`	`hoopy`	`80k in L.A.`
`03:28.29`	`sbk`	`my job moved me out here`
`03:28.34`	`sbk`	`last yr`
`03:28.34`	`hoopy`	`i make 50k in BFE`
`03:28.42`	`hoopy`	`cost of living is lowest in the nation here`
`03:28.42`	`plb`	`sbk: I'm on Staten Island`
`03:28.44`	`sbk`	`bum fuck egypt?`
`03:28.47`	`sbk`	`oh word plb`
`03:28.48`	`hoopy`	`yep`
`03:28.51`	`plb`	`ya`
`03:28.51`	`sbk`	`where abouts`
`03:28.56`	`hoopy`	`southwest missouri`
`03:29.02`	`Deformative`	`plb: I have a nokia 770`
`03:29.03`	`sbk`	`I got family out there`
`03:29.08`	`Deformative`	`It is not as fun as you might expect.`
`03:29.10`	`plb`	`sbk: right next to the Verrazano in rosebank`
`03:29.20`	`sbk`	`ahhh, my fam is in annadale`
`03:29.24`	`sbk`	`right off arden ave`
`03:29.28`	`hoopy`	`i'm in springfield`
`03:29.33`	`plb`	`sbk: ah cool ;]`
`03:29.35`	`Deformative`	`I mean, I use it, and it was worth the $140 I paid for it.`
`03:29.56`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`03:29.57`	`Deformative`	`But a touch screen handheld cannot do a whole lot.`
`03:29.59`	`sbk`	`the only thing I miss about si is the bitches`
`03:30.00`	`hoopy`	`i'm kind of thinking about getting a chumby`
`03:30.07`	`plb`	`I paid $240 for my n800`
`03:30.09`	`sbk`	`I got my N810 for 475`
`03:30.14`	`sbk`	`last week`
`03:30.23`	`sbk`	`and jewegg sent me the wrong fucking SD card`
`03:30.29`	`plb`	`sbk: should have got it from amazon`
`03:30.31`	`plb`	`391`
`03:30.33`	`Deformative`	`KotCzarny: United states?`
`03:30.36`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`03:30.37`	`sbk`	`its all good plb`
`03:30.38`	`KotCzarny`	`nyc area`
`03:30.40`	`sbk`	`I needed it`
`03:30.43`	`Deformative`	`I got mine like a year ago.`
`03:30.43`	`plb`	`hehe`
`03:30.55`	`Deformative`	`Ah well, time for me to go to sleep.`
`03:30.56`	`sbk`	`I use it @ work, as a pen & paper replacement`
`03:31.03`	`plb`	`another nycer KotCzarny ?`
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`03:31.14`	`sbk`	`we running #maemo!`
`03:31.14`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:31.16`	`plb`	`where are you?`
`03:31.20`	`sbk`	`hes in newark area`
`03:31.21`	`sbk`	`:)`
`03:31.23`	`Deformative`	`Pen and Paper is far superior.`
`03:31.26`	`plb`	`aj`
`03:31.27`	`plb`	`er`
`03:31.28`	`sbk`	`haha Deformative`
`03:31.28`	`plb`	`ah`
`03:31.39`	`KotCzarny`	`closer to mnh though`
`03:31.39`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:31.46`	`KotCzarny`	`about 10min`
`03:31.55`	`hoopy`	`do you guys compile things on your phones?`
`03:32.01`	`hoopy`	`or do you load binaries onto it`
`03:32.02`	`plb`	`I'm about 5min from the ferry to manhattan`
`03:32.03`	`sbk`	`I lived over thee too KotCzarny`
`03:32.04`	`KotCzarny`	`hoopy: both`
`03:32.07`	`sbk`	`jersey city`
`03:32.16`	`Deformative`	`I only use mine as a book, pdf reader and sometimes I use the todo list.`
`03:32.18`	`plb`	`ah jersey city`
`03:32.18`	`sbk`	`I copped an apt over there, cause it was cheaper than midtown`
`03:32.20`	`Deformative`	`Heh.`
`03:32.20`	`plb`	`been there`
`03:32.20`	`sbk`	`where I was stayin`
`03:32.36`	`sbk`	`its pretty gross`
`03:32.39`	`sbk`	`just a place to live`
`03:32.40`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:32.40`	`sbk`	`thats all`
`03:32.41`	`plb`	`to the ghetto part of jersey city heh`
`03:32.49`	`sbk`	`yeah, I was right off grove st`
`03:32.53`	`sbk`	`by the PATH train`
`03:32.54`	`KotCzarny`	`i'm about 2 blocks form j.square`
`03:32.57`	`sbk`	`ahhh`
`03:33.08`	`KotCzarny`	`convenient`
`03:33.14`	`plb`	`jersey city is filthy lol`
`03:33.19`	`sbk`	`yeah`
`03:33.29`	`sbk`	`LA isn't much better`
`03:33.30`	`MipsIrv`	`whatever happened to efficient code..`
`03:33.30`	`KotCzarny`	`i live in the internet anyway`
`03:33.36`	`sbk`	`heh same KotCzarny`
`03:33.38`	`plb`	`lol`
`03:33.40`	`sbk`	`my job requires that`
`03:33.42`	`sbk`	`:)`
`03:33.59`	`errordeveloper`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:34.02`	`KotCzarny`	`so as long there's inet i can live there`
`03:34.03`	`KotCzarny`	`2007`
`03:34.08`	`errordeveloper`	`ok ..`
`03:34.11`	`KotCzarny`	`chinook is 2008`
`03:34.24`	`sbk`	`you knwo what works REALLY well`
`03:34.29`	`sbk`	`RDP client for OS08`
`03:34.30`	`plb`	`2008 looks so much better than 2007`
`03:34.33`	`sbk`	`I use that shit nonstop`
`03:34.39`	`sbk`	`the N810 was my first tablet`
`03:34.42`	`errordeveloper`	`hm .. can i esealy upgrade via apt-get ?`
`03:34.44`	`sbk`	`ive had it less than a week`
`03:34.46`	`sbk`	`its amazing`
`03:34.48`	`sbk`	`WAIT`
`03:34.54`	`Navi`	`errordeveloper, you can but it's not recommended`
`03:34.55`	`MipsIrv`	`sbk: amazing compared to the n800?`
`03:34.56`	`sbk`	`apt-get works in OS08?~?!?~?~?~?~~??!?!?!?~?~~?`
`03:34.57`	`KotCzarny`	`ed: from 2007 to 2008? no`
`03:34.59`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:35.03`	`sbk`	`I havent tried anything else MipsIrv`
`03:35.04`	`KotCzarny`	`sbk: yes`
`03:35.06`	`MipsIrv`	`ah`
`03:35.09`	`sbk`	`WOW!`
`03:35.13`	`sbk`	`this thing is fucking amazing`
`03:35.14`	`MipsIrv`	`i looked at the 810.. cost prohibitive though`
`03:35.14`	`sbk`	`haha`
`03:35.27`	`sbk`	`the cost didnt really matter, I wanted a keyboard`
`03:35.36`	`sbk`	`because the browsing on my iphone sucks`
`03:35.43`	`MipsIrv`	`that's an expensive keyboard though ;)`
`03:35.46`	`KotCzarny`	`i've got mine nokia last week, so i'm not familiar what haven't worked before`
`03:35.46`	`sbk`	`the N810 > iphone`
`03:35.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:35.52`	`KotCzarny`	`sbk: bt`
`03:35.53`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:35.54`	`MipsIrv`	`is it just me.. or does the 800 pretty much suck with all multimedia?`
`03:35.56`	`sbk`	`yeah I got mine last friday`
`03:35.56`	`errordeveloper`	`ok ..`
`03:35.59`	`plb`	`I was just looking for mp3 player / video player and the n800 was only 240 so I just got that instead ;]`
`03:36.09`	`errordeveloper`	`so to upgrade i need to flash it ?`
`03:36.17`	`sbk`	`yeah, I'm trying to convince my friend to get one`
`03:36.17`	`MipsIrv`	`i've had zero luck with media streamer.. flash-based video.. something else I tried I forgot`
`03:36.21`	`errordeveloper`	`is os2008 ok on n800 ..?`
`03:36.22`	`sbk`	`to replace his "cowon"`
`03:36.27`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`03:36.29`	`sbk`	`you can put it on errordeveloper`
`03:36.30`	`sbk`	`so I read`
`03:36.31`	`plb`	`flash lags fro me`
`03:36.33`	`plb`	`for*`
`03:36.37`	`KotCzarny`	`mipsirv: mplayer`
`03:36.38`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:36.45`	`sbk`	`xmms works good as hell too`
`03:36.45`	`plb`	`I heard about some orb site but haven't tried it`
`03:36.49`	`MipsIrv`	`the 800 is more responsive with OS08 as far as I can tell`
`03:36.49`	`KotCzarny`	`i have heard that vlc works too`
`03:36.50`	`sbk`	`I Was reaaallly surprised`
`03:36.55`	`sbk`	`VLC?!?!?!!?`
`03:36.58`	`sbk`	`WTF!`
`03:36.59`	`Navi`	`...`
`03:36.59`	`MipsIrv`	`i'd really like something that will let me play video from mythtv`
`03:37.04`	`MipsIrv`	`although I hate mythtv..`
`03:37.09`	`Navi`	`Quit acting surprised about every little damned thing.`
`03:37.15`	`plb`	`I got mythtv as well`
`03:37.17`	`sbk`	`I'm just saying Navi`
`03:37.21`	`sbk`	`its surprising`
`03:37.27`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: stop acting so 'mature'`
`03:37.27`	`MipsIrv`	`plb: did you have any luck with minimyth?`
`03:37.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:37.28`	`sbk`	`this thing rocks`
`03:37.34`	`MipsIrv`	`i got like 3 frames then the whole thing locks up..`
`03:37.36`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, quit acting like KotCzarny`
`03:37.40`	`sbk`	`haha`
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`03:37.46`	`plb`	`haven't tried it...just got my n800 today still trying to find all the good apps for it lol`
`03:37.47`	`KotCzarny`	`that's impossible`
`03:37.50`	`sbk`	`how about GFTP`
`03:37.55`	`sbk`	`is there a port for that?`
`03:38.04`	`plb`	`I'd like an irc client for it`
`03:38.11`	`KotCzarny`	`sbk: yes`
`03:38.12`	`plb`	`I could just ssh I suppose but meh`
`03:38.14`	`errordeveloper`	`actually ..yeah`
`03:38.16`	`sbk`	`I just ssh into my boxes, and use screen/irssi from there`
`03:38.29`	`errordeveloper`	`what about irc clients for n800`
`03:38.31`	`errordeveloper`	`?`
`03:38.41`	`KotCzarny`	`ed: what have you used on pc?`
`03:38.41`	`MipsIrv`	`wouldn't pidgin accomplish that?`
`03:38.45`	`Proteous`	`screen + irssi + bitlbee.org == teh win`
`03:38.50`	`plb`	`errordeveloper: I'm looking for one ;]`
`03:38.53`	`MipsIrv`	`<-- pidgining it up right now`
`03:38.58`	`Navi`	`Proteous, you forgot SSH`
`03:39.01`	`sbk`	`yeah Proteous`
`03:39.05`	`KotCzarny`	`and telnet`
`03:39.05`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:39.07`	`Proteous`	`yeah, sorry, SSH toooo`
`03:39.09`	`plb`	`irssi is my all time favorite`
`03:39.13`	`sbk`	`same plb`
`03:39.15`	`MipsIrv`	`we also need an open media solution for the web.. flash isn't cutting it anymore`
`03:39.40`	`KotCzarny`	`mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit`
`03:39.41`	`plb`	`sbk: bitchx was popular way back when we first started ;]`
`03:39.43`	`KotCzarny`	`happy?`
`03:39.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:39.49`	`sbk`	`yeah plb lol!`
`03:39.57`	`sbk`	`we all graduated to irssi tho :P`
`03:40.00`	`Navi`	`I prefer rtcomm over pidgen.`
`03:40.01`	`MipsIrv`	`what is silverlight?`
`03:40.04`	`KotCzarny`	`epic ftw!`
`03:40.08`	`plb`	`sbk: until dev put that phone home feature in and no one wanted to use it anymore`
`03:40.10`	`Fang64`	`microsoft product isn't it`
`03:40.22`	`Navi`	`[21:34:58] <KotCzarny> mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit <-`
`03:40.28`	`Fang64`	`plb: bitchx is awesome`
`03:40.30`	`MipsIrv`	`more closed source software?`
`03:40.33`	`alp`	`silverlight is an open standard for rich internet content`
`03:40.42`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah.. open.. my ass`
`03:40.43`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`03:40.44`	`Navi`	`alp, only as open as OOXML`
`03:40.48`	`Navi`	`er`
`03:40.51`	`plb`	`Fang64: irssi is better ;]`
`03:40.54`	`plb`	`and than epic4`
`03:40.55`	`sbk`	`yup`
`03:40.57`	`KotCzarny`	`you can't expect anything open from m$`
`03:41.01`	`sbk`	`hmm`
`03:41.10`	`alp`	`heh. i spent the last couple of years or longer competing directly with silverlight, but i still think it gets an unfair rap`
`03:41.19`	`alp`	`if you want proprietary, try Flash`
`03:41.20`	`KotCzarny`	`unless some court forces them to do it`
`03:41.43`	`Navi`	`s/OOXML/Office .doc/`
`03:42.05`	`MipsIrv`	`uh yeah.. right on the silverlight web site it says "we only support commercial operating systems, thanks"`
`03:42.30`	`plb`	`so what is the best place to find all apps...just maemo.org under downloads?`
`03:42.40`	`errordeveloper`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:42.40`	`MipsIrv`	`www.debian.org`
`03:42.40`	`KotCzarny`	`plb: garage too`
`03:42.41`	`MipsIrv`	`;)`
`03:42.44`	`sbk`	`yeah, thats what I have found plb`
`03:42.48`	`KotCzarny`	`though it's user submitted`
`03:42.56`	`errordeveloper`	`trying to install skype, give some unresolvable deps`
`03:43.04`	`*** join/#maemo mmejiav (n=mmejiav@201.244.239.169)`
`03:43.09`	`errordeveloper`	`how to get the bloody thing on ?`
`03:43.14`	`MipsIrv`	`anyone have a batter cover for a 770 they are trying to get rid of?`
`03:43.18`	`errordeveloper`	`i need it for my dad ..`
`03:43.19`	`KotCzarny`	`ed: use installer from you os?`
`03:43.36`	`mmejiav`	`hi... i have a problem with my brand new n800... they don't turn on !!!!!`
`03:43.43`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't know if skype is supported on 2006`
`03:43.48`	`errordeveloper`	`i tried with the package manger gui ..`
`03:43.51`	`plb`	`so does the n800 update itself or what...I noticed I get pop ups asking to install stuff?`
`03:43.56`	`KotCzarny`	`mmejiav: charge it?`
`03:43.58`	`errordeveloper`	`and with apt-get - the same thign`
`03:44.02`	`mmejiav`	`hola... tengo un problema con mi nuevo n800.... no prende`
`03:44.26`	`sbk`	`ENGRISH, CAN YOU SPEEEK IT`
`03:44.27`	`KotCzarny`	`i hate spanish..`
`03:44.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:44.48`	`plb`	`KotCzarny: you live in newark...`
`03:44.55`	`KotCzarny`	`plb: nope, in jc`
`03:44.56`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:44.58`	`sbk`	`haha nah hes in jc`
`03:44.59`	`plb`	`er`
`03:45.00`	`plb`	`ya`
`03:45.02`	`sbk`	`just as bad`
`03:45.06`	`mmejiav`	`they don't show a charge indicator`
`03:45.12`	`plb`	`not the best place to live if you don't like spanish i imagine lol`
`03:45.25`	`KotCzarny`	`life`
`03:45.27`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:45.53`	`plb`	`my neighborhood is mostly polish people lol`
`03:45.57`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`03:46.02`	`sbk`	`yeah`
`03:46.04`	`Proteous`	`mmejiav: how long have you left it plugged in?`
`03:46.09`	`sbk`	`I'm polish`
`03:46.12`	`sbk`	`2nd generation`
`03:46.13`	`sbk`	`:)`
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`03:46.20`	`KotCzarny`	`do you speak it?`
`03:46.20`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:46.21`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, mmm 30 minutes`
`03:46.23`	`plb`	`lot of polish people out here`
`03:46.26`	`sbk`	`not anymore, when I was a kid yeah`
`03:46.31`	`sbk`	`same in greenpoint plb`
`03:46.37`	`sbk`	`I used to hang there a lot with my cousins`
`03:46.47`	`Proteous`	`mmejiav: I'd try leaving it plugged in longer`
`03:47.06`	`Proteous`	`mmejiav: you are plugging it in with the wall charger right? not with the USB cable?`
`03:47.19`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, but I don't look a charge indicator in the screen... how I know if tjey are charging?`
`03:47.32`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, yes, the wall charger`
`03:47.37`	`plb`	`eh is it possible to get a clock in the panel?`
`03:47.45`	`sbk`	`I found 1 plb`
`03:47.49`	`sbk`	`but it was wack`
`03:47.49`	`KotCzarny`	`plb: use status bar clock`
`03:47.55`	`sbk`	`it didnt work right for me`
`03:47.55`	`Proteous`	`mmejiav: does the manual say it will get a charging screen right away?`
`03:47.57`	`sbk`	`on OS08`
`03:48.10`	`plb`	`sbk: a clock?`
`03:48.22`	`plb`	`KotCzarny: is that for desktop or panel?`
`03:48.27`	`KotCzarny`	`panel`
`03:48.34`	`plb`	`ah ok thanks`
`03:48.43`	`KotCzarny`	`https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbarclock/`
`03:48.47`	`KotCzarny`	`i guess that's the one`
`03:49.00`	`sbk`	`yeah`
`03:49.03`	`sbk`	`it didnt work for me really`
`03:49.10`	`KotCzarny`	`why?`
`03:49.14`	`KotCzarny`	`works fine for me`
`03:49.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:49.23`	`KotCzarny`	`better than desktop one..`
`03:49.24`	`plb`	`they should put one in by default`
`03:49.26`	`KotCzarny`	`which is a cow`
`03:49.46`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, nop, I don't look info about`
`03:50.09`	`KotCzarny`	`sbk: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop.png`
`03:50.14`	`KotCzarny`	`it also takes screenshots`
`03:50.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:50.43`	`sbk`	`not bad!`
`03:50.49`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, it's great`
`03:51.12`	`sbk`	`brb a couple mins gentlemen`
`03:51.49`	`plb`	`KotCzarny: that is statusbar clock?`
`03:51.54`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`03:51.56`	`Proteous`	`mmejiav: well, I'm not sure, I'd try leaving it plugged in longer, the first charge can take a while`
`03:51.59`	`plb`	`cool`
`03:52.06`	`KotCzarny`	`i know`
`03:52.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:52.37`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, thanks... i'm searching more info in internet rigth now`
`03:53.04`	`KotCzarny`	`proteous: otoh it can be dead too`
`03:53.10`	`KotCzarny`	`charger or device`
`03:53.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:53.13`	`plb`	`hm is that ukmp any good?`
`03:53.35`	`Proteous`	`KotCzarny: that's true, but you have to try one thing at a time :)`
`03:53.57`	`KotCzarny`	`proteous: but it should show charging indicator anyway, as he is suggesting`
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`03:55.58`	`plb`	`O`
`03:55.59`	`plb`	`er`
`03:56.09`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, sorry for my bad english...`
`03:56.11`	`plb`	`I'll be back tommorow...night everyone`
`03:57.06`	`mmejiav`	`KotCzarny, yes, i'm not perfect (i don't speak english)`
`03:57.41`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`03:57.43`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:57.57`	`Proteous`	`you speak english better then I speak any other language`
`03:58.08`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe he's using online translator`
`03:58.08`	`Proteous`	`so I can't complain too much`
`03:58.12`	`Proteous`	`lol`
`03:58.50`	`KotCzarny`	`i would do it when forced to use unknown language :)`
`03:59.35`	`Proteous`	`it's a pretty good translator if he is :P`
`03:59.51`	`KotCzarny`	`ais are amazing nowadays`
`03:59.56`	`KotCzarny`	`AIs`
`04:00.35`	`mmejiav`	`KotCzarny, thanks for your help... have a nice day`
`04:00.40`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:00.56`	`mmejiav`	`Proteous, thanks for your advice`
`04:01.04`	`Proteous`	`np, hope you get it working`
`04:01.14`	`Proteous`	`sucks to get a new non working device`
`04:01.19`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah.`
`04:01.26`	`KotCzarny`	`it's like a pet's death`
`04:01.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:01.35`	`Proteous`	`especial a device as cool as a nokia IT`
`04:01.42`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah.`
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`04:04.51`	`errordeveloper`	`hm ..`
`04:05.01`	`errordeveloper`	`after i did ^Z in ash`
`04:05.10`	`errordeveloper`	`i can't just resume with %`
`04:05.17`	`KotCzarny`	`use: fg`
`04:05.32`	`errordeveloper`	`ah ..ok`
`04:05.33`	`errordeveloper`	`:)`
`04:05.54`	`KotCzarny`	`this channel should be named #maemo-linux`
`04:05.55`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`04:06.05`	`Proteous`	`lol`
`04:06.06`	`KotCzarny`	`or -unix`
`04:06.10`	`KotCzarny`	`or -posix`
`04:06.13`	`KotCzarny`	`or something`
`04:06.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:06.16`	`Proteous`	`-*nix`
`04:06.26`	`KotCzarny`	`maemnix ?`
`04:06.34`	`KotCzarny`	`maemonix ?`
`04:06.36`	`KotCzarny`	`cool name`
`04:06.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:06.45`	`johnx_`	`well, theoretically it's about maemo on any platform...`
`04:06.54`	`errordeveloper`	`is maemo no linux anyway ?`
`04:06.59`	`KotCzarny`	`o.o`
`04:07.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`04:07.16`	`johnx_`	`eh?`
`04:07.23`	`KotCzarny`	`you can treat it as a debian spinoff`
`04:07.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:07.28`	`errordeveloper`	`..another question tonight ..`
`04:07.41`	`KotCzarny`	`same way ubuntu relates to debian`
`04:07.58`	`KotCzarny`	`erm`
`04:08.01`	`johnx_`	`well...that's ITOS, but different people seem to think about maemo as different things`
`04:08.01`	`KotCzarny`	`scratch that`
`04:08.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:08.14`	`errordeveloper`	`can is somehow set up a network with n800 via usb?`
`04:08.18`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`04:08.19`	`johnx_`	`yes`
`04:08.25`	`errordeveloper`	`so i could ssh ..`
`04:08.47`	`KotCzarny`	`i guess null-usb cable is compiled in`
`04:08.52`	`KotCzarny`	`in the thefault kernel`
`04:08.56`	`KotCzarny`	`and few others`
`04:09.06`	`johnx_`	`yes...the n800 can act like a "cdc usb ethernet adapter"`
`04:10.20`	`KotCzarny`	`mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png`
`04:10.28`	`KotCzarny`	`charging saga continues`
`04:10.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:12.19`	`KotCzarny`	`i bet #0 and #2 are temp. sensors`
`04:12.24`	`errordeveloper`	`so if i have a pc, and i wan't to connect n800 to it ..how would i do that?`
`04:12.29`	`errordeveloper`	`where to read aout it ..?`
`04:12.46`	`KotCzarny`	`ed: define 'connect'`
`04:12.59`	`ds3`	`kotczarny: is that gnuplot?`
`04:13.05`	`KotCzarny`	`ds3: yes`
`04:13.20`	`KotCzarny`	`'fixed' font should be a giveaway`
`04:13.21`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`04:13.26`	`ds3`	`how do you get it to recogonize time on the X axis?`
`04:13.30`	`johnx_`	`errordeveloper, windows or linux on the desktop machine?`
`04:13.36`	`errordeveloper`	`linux`
`04:13.44`	`KotCzarny`	`set xdata time`
`04:13.44`	`KotCzarny`	`set timefmt "%s"`
`04:14.04`	`ds3`	`and what's the format in the datafile?`
`04:14.05`	`KotCzarny`	`i have my times in unixtimestamps`
`04:14.25`	`johnx_`	`errordeveloper, should get you started: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html`
`04:14.27`	`KotCzarny`	`%s is 'seconds since unix epoch'`
`04:14.45`	`ds3`	so it can parse something like: FOO=`date`; echo $FOO , $MY_Y_VAL >> /tmp/datafile
`04:14.52`	`ds3`	`oh`
`04:14.54`	`ds3`	`okay`
`04:14.56`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`04:15.08`	`KotCzarny`	`you just have to tell the format you use`
`04:15.13`	`ds3`	`cool, never figured out how to do that`
`04:15.17`	`KotCzarny`	`google`
`04:15.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:15.27`	`KotCzarny`	`and examples`
`04:15.33`	`ds3`	`think I tried it once and couldn't find stuff but that was a few years ago`
`04:15.57`	`ds3`	`now I got the set commands, I can read the helpfile`
`04:16.02`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:17.14`	`errordeveloper`	`johnx_: cool, thanx a lot ;)`
`04:18.29`	`johnx_`	`sure...there is some GUI to do it...but it didn't exactly behave right`
`04:18.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`errordeveloper, there's a statusbar plugin that switches both client/host mode and will setup USB net for you.`
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`04:19.52`	`errordeveloper`	`hmm //`
`04:19.57`	`errordeveloper`	`that's cool`
`04:20.07`	`errordeveloper`	`but now i have a trouble here ..`
`04:20.30`	`errordeveloper`	`was doing apt-upgrade, and it stopped the wlan deamon ..`
`04:20.36`	`errordeveloper`	`like this 'Stopping WLAN Connection Daemon:`
`04:20.37`	`KotCzarny`	`another newyorker`
`04:20.37`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`04:20.39`	`errordeveloper`	`'`
`04:20.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`He's much cooler than you are.`
`04:20.57`	`KotCzarny`	`ga: so what?`
`04:20.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:21.05`	`errordeveloper`	`?`
`04:21.17`	`errordeveloper`	`it cannot boot now :(`
`04:21.28`	`johnx_`	`:/`
`04:21.35`	`johnx_`	`it starts to boot, then dies?`
`04:21.38`	`errordeveloper`	`keeeps flashing the white nokia screen ..`
`04:21.54`	`johnx_`	`ah, do you have data you need to recover or can you reflash?`
`04:22.12`	`errordeveloper`	`no data really ..`
`04:22.22`	`errordeveloper`	`i don't have too much time for reflashing /../`
`04:22.33`	`KotCzarny`	`reflashing is fast`
`04:22.39`	`johnx_`	`if you want to try to recover it use the nokia flasher to disable watchdog`
`04:22.50`	`johnx_`	`but debugging this will probably take longer than a reflash`
`04:22.55`	`KotCzarny`	`after you have all set up it takes few seconds`
`04:23.09`	`errordeveloper`	`ok ..`
`04:23.24`	`elb`	`make sure your OS2008 is completely up-to-date if it doesn't boot`
`04:23.36`	`errordeveloper`	`so this time i'll install screen streaight away ..`
`04:23.52`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`04:24.00`	`errordeveloper`	`ah ..not sure if screen would help for this ..`
`04:24.04`	`KotCzarny`	`or use app-manager`
`04:24.15`	`errordeveloper`	`yeah ..`
`04:24.25`	`KotCzarny`	`it has nice 'update' screen too`
`04:24.29`	`errordeveloper`	`may be, but it couldn't do what i wanted`
`04:24.35`	`ds3`	`arrrrgg some repo is corrupted`
`04:24.46`	`ds3`	`I see ""devel ""libs <KotCzarny> set xdata time`
`04:24.46`	`ds3`	`<KotCzarny> set timefmt "%s"`
`04:24.50`	`ds3`	`oops`
`04:24.54`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`04:24.59`	`ds3`	`I see ""devel ""lib, etc groups`
`04:25.11`	`KotCzarny`	`ds3: have you enabled redpill mode?`
`04:25.19`	`ds3`	`yes`
`04:25.21`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`04:25.24`	`ds3`	`but this appeared after I did a update`
`04:25.28`	`errordeveloper`	`ok ..so i'd reflash for os2008`
`04:25.32`	`ds3`	`so it is not redpill killing it`
`04:25.33`	`elb`	`it rules that maemo devs can't agree on category names`
`04:25.39`	`errordeveloper`	`there was 2007`
`04:25.44`	`KotCzarny`	`ds3: disable one by one?`
`04:25.48`	`elb`	`not even close`
`04:26.17`	`ds3`	`I could do that or I could wait a week to see if someone fixes there stuff ;)`
`04:26.29`	`KotCzarny`	`ds3: wishfull thinking`
`04:26.30`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`04:32.42`	`AJayMN`	`looking for a wifi finder/meter hear of kismet but cant find the deb for a Nokia 770 any suggestions?`
`04:35.40`	`johnx_`	`I found a deb for it on gronmayer.com/it`
`04:35.44`	`johnx_`	`no idea if it works`
`04:39.31`	`b0r0las`	`ping`
`04:39.44`	`johnx_`	`pong?`
`04:39.57`	`texel`	`thunk`
`04:40.37`	`johnx_`	`crash, bang, boom, ow, ow, ow...`
`04:40.45`	`texel`	`Hehe =o)`
`04:41.01`	`johnx_`	`texel, you know there's a .deb of it already, right?`
`04:41.09`	`texel`	`There is, eh?`
`04:41.17`	`johnx_`	`on itt`
`04:41.25`	`texel`	`Is it properly Hildonized at all? O.o`
`04:41.31`	`johnx_`	`nope`
`04:41.33`	`texel`	`Heh`
`04:41.37`	`johnx_`	`but it has some hacks for small screen usage`
`04:41.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It works well enough.`
`04:42.06`	`johnx_`	`you might at least want to start with that source instead of from scratch`
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`04:42.30`	`texel`	`Was it some serious hacking to get it into a runnable state?`
`04:42.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"5 minute port"`
`04:42.44`	`johnx_`	`I didn't look too closely`
`04:42.55`	`texel`	`Mm. Thought as much. =o)`
`04:43.03`	`texel`	`It seems like a straightforward port, really.`
`04:43.05`	`johnx_`	`I mean, if I have inet access on my tablet I'll just tell my desktop at home to start the torrent...`
`04:43.23`	`johnx_`	`I thought there were some quirks, but I could be wrong`
`04:43.24`	`errordeveloper`	`yeah ..os08 looks much keewler :)~`
`04:43.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The tablets make for really awesome low-power clients.`
`04:43.54`	`lopz`	`good night`
`04:44.09`	`texel`	`G'night, lopz.`
`04:44.16`	`johnx_`	`'night lopz`
`04:44.20`	`texel`	`Ow. qemu really bites sometimes.`
`04:44.26`	`texel`	`"qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264"`
`04:44.40`	`johnx_`	`ah, qemu usermode...`
`04:44.49`	`texel`	`Yeah. I should really look into sbrsh.`
`04:45.34`	`texel`	`johnx_: bet that wasn't exactly fun.`
`04:45.45`	`johnx_`	`the install was slow, but now I have a faster ARM host to compile on`
`04:45.52`	`johnx_`	`...for debian`
`04:46.38`	`texel`	`sbrsh sounds... erm... creepy.`
`04:47.00`	`johnx_`	`lots of scratchbox stuff is pretty crazy`
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`04:47.23`	`johnx_`	`in the end cross compiling is a mixture of voodoo and luck`
`04:47.29`	`texel`	`True enough.`
`04:47.40`	`texel`	`Though I remember back in the days when I was hacking on the old Sharp SL-5000D.`
`04:47.47`	`texel`	`Cross compiling back then was major pain.`
`04:47.52`	`texel`	`SB, thankfully, makes things easier.`
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`04:48.02`	`johnx_`	`you had the original? neat`
`04:48.07`	`texel`	`Yeah.`
`04:48.14`	`johnx_`	`32MB of RAM is no fun though`
`04:48.34`	`texel`	`I've had lots of embedded linux devices, though some weren't /supposed/ to have Linux on them... >=o)`
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`04:50.13`	`texel`	`Bleh. Too many netsplits.`
`04:50.31`	`johnx_`	`yeah, really. seems bad today`
`04:51.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hub went down earlier.`
`04:51.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Messy.`
`04:51.30`	`texel`	`Hrm... I wonder where I can get an IPAQ cheap. =o)`
`04:51.42`	`johnx_`	`depends on which ipaq you want...`
`04:51.49`	`johnx_`	`the hx4700 looks reasonable`
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`04:52.05`	`johnx_`	`also depends on what you mean by cheap :)`
`04:52.21`	`texel`	`Heh`
`04:52.27`	`texel`	`Well, I was thinking used.`
`04:52.38`	`texel`	`Looks like one's available for around $70.`
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`04:53.25`	`texel`	`I was thinking for use as a compilation target with SB.`
`04:53.41`	`johnx_`	`ah...use qemu-system-arm`
`04:53.48`	`johnx_`	`probably faster than just about anything else`
`04:54.11`	`texel`	`Mm. Unfortunately, I've not had much luck with that, I'm afraid.`
`04:54.18`	`johnx_`	`really?`
`04:54.26`	`texel`	`Ie: the aforementioned "unsupported syscall" errors.`
`04:54.53`	`texel`	`Emacs 22 won't even bootstrap, either, I'm afraid.`
`04:54.54`	`johnx_`	`I mean qemu-system-arm as in run a whole kernel in qemu`
`04:55.02`	`texel`	`Ahh.`
`04:55.30`	`johnx_`	`it's faster than just about any consumer available arm system if you have an athlon 64 or something better`
`04:55.49`	`texel`	`How about a quad-core Xeon system? =op`
`04:56.05`	`johnx_`	`I don't think it takes advantage of multiples cores/cpus :P`
`04:56.08`	`texel`	`Hehe`
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`05:08.09`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`05:08.23`	`KotCzarny`	`re`
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`05:14.20`	`KotCzarny`	`irc: echo: command not accepted`
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`05:17.14`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`05:17.31`	`KotCzarny`	`http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html`
`05:18.08`	`johnx_`	`yes?`
`05:18.22`	`KotCzarny`	`i wonder how much generic matchbox differs from nokia's`
`05:18.39`	`johnx_`	`probably, not a lot`
`05:19.00`	`KotCzarny`	`and if it will be useful to replace it`
`05:19.16`	`johnx_`	`while keeping the rest of hildon desktop? probably not helpful`
`05:19.23`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`05:19.34`	`johnx_`	`recompiling nokia's source with different options might be interesting`
`05:19.43`	`johnx_`	`like movable dialog windows`
`05:19.59`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, that's what motivates me to find another wm`
`05:20.23`	`johnx_`	`personally I'm a big fan of matchbox for embedded touchscreen linux`
`05:20.24`	`KotCzarny`	`nokia's wm is open?`
`05:20.36`	`johnx_`	`yes, source is available`
`05:20.49`	`KotCzarny`	`what name it bears?`
`05:20.59`	`johnx_`	`matchbox-window-manager IIRC`
`05:21.04`	`johnx_`	`it's in their source repo`
`05:21.21`	`KotCzarny`	`273kb`
`05:21.22`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`05:21.37`	`johnx_`	`pretty big O_o`
`05:21.43`	`johnx_`	`probably contains lots of graphics`
`05:24.53`	`KotCzarny`	`themes: Default MBOpus blondie bluebox borillo`
`05:24.55`	`KotCzarny`	`o.O`
`05:25.04`	`johnx_`	`included?`
`05:25.05`	`johnx_`	`nice`
`05:25.17`	`KotCzarny`	`i wonder if they simply changed names`
`05:25.31`	`johnx_`	`hmm?`
`05:25.35`	`KotCzarny`	`or if those are completely different`
`05:25.42`	`johnx_`	`those sound like what I've seen on the zaurus/angstrom`
`05:25.51`	`johnx_`	`as in, more like the other screenshots on that page`
`05:26.25`	`KotCzarny`	`on nokia there are: echo, felicia, glasser, hendrika, plankton`
`05:27.14`	`johnx_`	`I'm pretty sure those themes aren't related`
`05:27.40`	`KotCzarny`	`probably`
`05:31.39`	`KotCzarny`	`http://pastebin.com/m1b2f40f7`
`05:31.46`	`KotCzarny`	`package build options`
`05:32.30`	`johnx_`	`you know, I think you can tell dialogs to be movable at runtime`
`05:35.54`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:35.54`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:35.58`	`KotCzarny`	`that would be cool`
`05:36.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`05:36.34`	`johnx_`	`why?`
`05:36.55`	`KotCzarny`	`right now hardware keys are hardwired`
`05:36.59`	`KotCzarny`	`aren't they?`
`05:37.18`	`johnx_`	`wait, what are you trying to do?`
`05:37.35`	`johnx_`	`hardware keys generate a keysym and something listens for it`
`05:37.45`	`johnx_`	`the keysym can be changed if you really want I guess`
`05:38.00`	`KotCzarny`	`not without a xkeycaps etc.`
`05:38.22`	`KotCzarny`	`you can use vi`
`05:38.27`	`texel`	`Actually, I was just about to embark on doing just that.`
`05:38.38`	`KotCzarny`	`but that would require you to know xkeys names`
`05:38.40`	`texel`	`If you edit the xkb files, you can specify whatever you want. =op`
`05:38.50`	`KotCzarny`	`i know`
`05:38.53`	`KotCzarny`	`but i'm lazy`
`05:38.53`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`05:39.11`	`KotCzarny`	`also, it will provide easy way to create localized kb`
`05:39.34`	`johnx_`	`I thought there was already work towards that`
`05:40.00`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. i think i will map hw +/- to ctrl/alt`
`05:40.23`	`KotCzarny`	`that will solve irssi/screen/epic issue i think`
`05:40.48`	`KotCzarny`	`unless onscreen kb ignores 'real' kb keys`
`05:40.50`	`johnx_`	`you use the builtin os2008 xterm?`
`05:40.57`	`KotCzarny`	`right now i use ssh`
`05:41.40`	`KotCzarny`	`i wonder if enabling 'composite' will be hard`
`05:42.02`	`KotCzarny`	`anyone know if xserver is/can be enabled to use it too?`
`05:43.42`	`johnx_`	`isn't it already?`
`05:43.54`	`KotCzarny`	`matchbox compiles without composite`
`05:44.07`	`johnx_`	`probably because it doesn't use it`
`05:44.08`	`KotCzarny`	`which makes me wonder if the enabled composite in xserver`
`05:44.17`	`johnx_`	`pretty sure it's enabled`
`05:44.43`	`texel`	`Yeah, pretty sure it is as well.`
`05:44.49`	`KotCzarny`	`no xorg.log`
`05:44.53`	`texel`	`Dev instructions tell you to forcibly enable it for Xephyr.`
`05:45.37`	`texel`	`It's probably used somewhere in Sapwood.`
`05:46.53`	`johnx_`	`KotCzarny, it's not xorg per se`
`05:47.11`	`johnx_`	`texel, the hildon panels use it for transparency IIRC`
`05:47.30`	`KotCzarny`	`last time i mentioned it's not exactly xorg someone corrected me`
`05:47.31`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`05:47.38`	`KotCzarny`	`don't remember who it was though`
`05:47.56`	`johnx_`	`well, logs are disabled anyways :)`
`05:48.12`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`05:48.17`	`KotCzarny`	`there are few logbots`
`05:48.23`	`KotCzarny`	`just check google :)`
`05:48.30`	`johnx_`	`uhm...the x server logs`
`05:48.34`	`KotCzarny`	`ah.`
`05:48.35`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`05:48.36`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`05:48.39`	`johnx_`	`it mentions logs in the topic :P`
`05:48.42`	`KotCzarny`	`that's why i have said`
`05:49.08`	`johnx_`	`I mean, I can't make the shipped xomap create a log no matter what I do...maybe I'm missing something`
`05:49.44`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe it's trying to log to ro fs?`
`05:49.56`	`KotCzarny`	`run with >/tmp ?`
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`06:00.43`	`Pauline92`	`Hi`
`06:01.00`	`texel`	`Hi`
`06:01.13`	`KotCzarny`	`Hi`
`06:01.39`	`Pauline92`	`I just got a Nokia N770 and I have no idea how to install applications`
`06:01.53`	`KotCzarny`	`settings -> application manager ?`
`06:01.57`	`Pauline92`	`I want to install envince for OS2006, but I can't figure out how to install it`
`06:02.11`	`Pauline92`	`*Evince`
`06:02.13`	`Pauline92`	`I mean`
`06:02.29`	`KotCzarny`	`how much do you know about *nix ?`
`06:02.36`	`Pauline92`	`Nothing`
`06:02.54`	`KotCzarny`	`aha, then you will have to find web installable version i think`
`06:03.05`	`KotCzarny`	`i may be wrong though`
`06:03.12`	`KotCzarny`	`i have n800`
`06:03.47`	`KotCzarny`	`http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/evince/`
`06:03.54`	`Pauline92`	`OK`
`06:03.56`	`KotCzarny`	`been there? clicked 'install' ?`
`06:03.57`	`Pauline92`	`I was there`
`06:04.00`	`Pauline92`	`I clicked Install`
`06:04.04`	`Pauline92`	`Saved it in "Documents"`
`06:04.18`	`Pauline92`	`I go to File manager -> Documents`
`06:04.23`	`Pauline92`	`and evince is there`
`06:04.29`	`Pauline92`	`I double click "evince"`
`06:05.00`	`KotCzarny`	`and?`
`06:05.12`	`Pauline92`	`It then loads up Application Manager and it has "Show installed applications", "isntall new applications", and "check for updates"`
`06:05.36`	`KotCzarny`	`i think you will have to enable extras`
`06:05.43`	`KotCzarny`	`because i see it in extras`
`06:05.45`	`Pauline92`	`How do I enable "extras"?`
`06:05.59`	`KotCzarny`	`there should be 'manage repos' or something`
`06:06.08`	`KotCzarny`	`one word of warning`
`06:06.18`	`KotCzarny`	`extras are packages made by various people`
`06:06.21`	`KotCzarny`	`may or may not work`
`06:06.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:07.07`	`Pauline92`	`I don't see "manage repos"`
`06:07.10`	`KotCzarny`	`in app-manager: tools -> catalogs manager`
`06:07.19`	`Pauline92`	`Yes`
`06:07.29`	`KotCzarny`	`there should be something with extras in the name`
`06:07.33`	`KotCzarny`	`select, edit`
`06:07.42`	`KotCzarny`	`should have 'disabled' checked`
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`06:07.45`	`KotCzarny`	`uncheck, ok`
`06:07.59`	`KotCzarny`	`and you should be able to see many new packages`
`06:08.00`	`Pauline92`	`I just have 4 repositories`
`06:08.04`	`Pauline92`	`I entered 2 of them`
`06:08.25`	`KotCzarny`	`it's in: http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free`
`06:08.42`	`KotCzarny`	`at least install file points there`
`06:08.49`	`Pauline92`	`I dont have that one`
`06:09.02`	`Pauline92`	`I have gregalse`
`06:09.19`	`Pauline92`	`http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free`
`06:10.17`	`Pauline92`	`Ah ok`
`06:10.21`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:10.22`	`Pauline92`	`I just had to enter "extras"`
`06:10.53`	`Pauline92`	`OK it's telling me I'm missing "libglade2.0 >= 1:2.3.6"`
`06:10.59`	`Pauline92`	`in order to install evince`
`06:11.02`	`rm_you_`	`>_>`
`06:11.53`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. have you created new repo or just edited one of the existent?`
`06:13.33`	`Pauline92`	`I just reflashed it to new`
`06:13.38`	`Pauline92`	`installed the gregale SDK`
`06:13.50`	`Pauline92`	`Now looking to install Evince`
`06:14.20`	`KotCzarny`	`why don't you try 2008he ?`
`06:14.22`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`06:14.29`	`Pauline92`	`I dont think it runs to well`
`06:14.37`	`Pauline92`	`even 2007he is said to be unstable`
`06:14.40`	`KotCzarny`	`aha`
`06:14.52`	`johnx_`	`2007he is worth a shot`
`06:14.53`	`KotCzarny`	`but you know how to reflash`
`06:15.03`	`KotCzarny`	`so it shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't work well`
`06:15.22`	`Pauline92`	`I just used the Windows GUI`
`06:15.32`	`Pauline92`	`You just click "Next" and it goes`
`06:15.56`	`rm_you`	`right. which is enough :)`
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`06:16.01`	`rm_you`	`i would definately try 2007HE`
`06:16.11`	`rm_you`	`that opens up a LOT of much more useful software`
`06:16.15`	`KotCzarny`	`'definitely'`
`06:16.15`	`johnx_`	`anyways, for evince, try this: on the tablet, go to gronmayer.com/it, select OS2006, search for evince, hit "click to install" on the first repository (the one that has evince 0.90) then install evince from app manager`
`06:16.17`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:16.20`	`rm_you`	`shhhh`
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`06:16.33`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, you can always flash 2006 back`
`06:16.37`	`KotCzarny`	`widhout a problem`
`06:16.39`	`KotCzarny`	`without`
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`06:19.41`	`Pauline92`	`rm_you - have you tried 2007HE on N770?`
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`06:21.08`	`rm_you`	`no, but while hanging out in IRC here, i've talked to a lot of people that have. though, i did run os2007 on my n800, and i've been told it installs all the same packages fairly effortlessly`
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`06:21.28`	`Pauline92`	`rm_you - what is the difference between 2007 and 2006?`
`06:21.46`	`rm_you`	`basically, the n770 was the only device to run os2006, and most of the major development happened at the end of the 770's life cycle, and in the midst of the n800 is when a lot of stuff really took off`
`06:21.56`	`rm_you`	`which was all on os2007`
`06:22.11`	`rm_you`	`so you get an entirely new (and much larger) set of programs to install`
`06:22.18`	`johnx_`	`OS2007 has updated software and libraries`
`06:22.31`	`rm_you`	`it's a much more tested and fully developed OS than 2006`
`06:22.39`	`Pauline92`	`OK`
`06:23.09`	`johnx_`	`it's worth a try anyways`
`06:23.25`	`Pauline92`	`I'll giver her a go`
`06:23.26`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah. and it's 99% safe`
`06:23.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`06:23.37`	`Pauline92`	`Thanks guys`
`06:23.43`	`Pauline92`	`What software do you recommend for your Nokia?`
`06:23.49`	`johnx_`	`plus 2007he comes with the wireless memory corruption fix so it should be more stable :)`
`06:24.06`	`KotCzarny`	`maemo-mapper`
`06:24.09`	`rm_you`	`mplayer for playing video...`
`06:24.12`	`KotCzarny`	`definitely`
`06:24.29`	`rm_you`	`kagu or ukmp (or canola... does it support 2007HE?) for music`
`06:24.49`	`Pauline92`	`Can you watch youtube on Nokia?`
`06:24.53`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`06:24.56`	`rm_you`	`yes`
`06:24.57`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`06:25.05`	`rm_you`	`though it is sometimes.... iffyt`
`06:25.06`	`rm_you`	`*iffy`
`06:25.20`	`KotCzarny`	`yiffy?`
`06:25.21`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`06:25.33`	`Pauline92`	`What do you need for that? Just 2007HE?`
`06:25.37`	`rm_you`	`but if you use a tool like UKTube (comes with UKMP) it will download/play the videos perfectly if you give it the youtube URL`
`06:25.40`	`rm_you`	`yes`
`06:25.51`	`Pauline92`	`Nice`
`06:26.06`	`rm_you`	`though i'm not sure if he's updated it yet... youtube keeps changing its code and breaking uktube :/`
`06:26.17`	`KotCzarny`	`when they have dropped opera in favour of mikrob ?`
`06:26.46`	`KotCzarny`	`in 2007 or in 2008?`
`06:26.52`	`rm_you`	`2008`
`06:26.57`	`KotCzarny`	`uhum`
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`06:54.26`	`LinuxCode`	`morning`
`06:54.31`	`KotCzarny`	`not yet`
`06:54.42`	`LinuxCode`	`any of you getting categories to sync using gpesyncd ?`
`06:54.55`	`LinuxCode`	`mine just does my Personal category`
`06:55.30`	`LinuxCode`	`problem is I have two other categories too ;-\|`
`06:55.35`	`LinuxCode`	`which dont seem to sync atm`
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`06:56.24`	`LinuxCode`	`and when I add two items under those categories on the N810 they end up in personal in evolution`
`06:56.30`	`LinuxCode`	`I read that categories work`
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`06:56.35`	`LinuxCode`	`and Im sure they worked before`
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`07:00.03`	`LinuxCode`	`hmmm`
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`07:03.09`	`phani`	`hi all ... anyone tell me how do i toggle fullscreen on maemo? what Atom/keybinding should i look for ?`
`07:03.42`	`johnx_`	`as in what keysym the "fullscreen" key generates?`
`07:03.47`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
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`07:03.54`	`phani`	`yes`
`07:03.59`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`07:04.01`	`johnx_`	`F6`
`07:04.03`	`LinuxCode`	`morning john`
`07:04.09`	`johnx_`	`'mornin`
`07:04.36`	`phani`	`it toggles fullscreen ? or anyother key to get out of fullscreen ?`
`07:04.53`	`johnx_`	`toggles fullscreen`
`07:05.03`	`johnx_`	`that's the keysym that the "fullscreen" button generates`
`07:05.16`	`johnx_`	`xev will tell you the same :)`
`07:05.28`	`phani`	`thanks a lot`
`07:05.46`	`KotCzarny`	`xev isn't installed by default`
`07:05.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:05.59`	`johnx_`	`it's a quick compile`
`07:06.02`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`07:06.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`07:06.17`	`phani`	`oh ... i didnt know .... thanks a lot for your help`
`07:07.03`	`tank-man`	`you can press f8 or something for fullscreen toggle on a keyboard`
`07:07.29`	`LinuxCode`	`hmmm`
`07:07.30`	`johnx_`	`f6 tank-man. I know :P`
`07:07.50`	`KotCzarny`	`f-fight!`
`07:08.14`	`Navi`	`A bit of a netstudder there`
`07:11.31`	`LinuxCode`	`lol I just googled for gpesynd and I get a log from this chan as result!`
`07:11.35`	`LinuxCode`	`wtf`
`07:11.56`	`czr`	`ftw`
`07:12.15`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`07:12.18`	`KotCzarny`	`maagic`
`07:12.48`	`LinuxCode`	`I need a testing package for gpesyncd`
`07:13.00`	`LinuxCode`	`I think the 14th Jan version still had the category bug`
`07:13.10`	`czr`	`it's like yesterday, while debugging windows, I entered one error message directly to IE/Live search. the second entry on the search page was a reference to a friend's homepage, who was sitting at that time about 2 meters from me.`
`07:13.24`	`czr`	`that was pretty spooky. obviously the page had absolutely nothing to do with the error message.`
`07:14.33`	`KotCzarny`	`there was a funny vid about two guys zooming on google maps`
`07:14.34`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`07:14.40`	`KotCzarny`	`sattelite maps`
`07:14.41`	`KotCzarny`	`(;`
`07:16.33`	`Proteous`	`I saw that one, pretty funny\`
`07:19.17`	`LinuxCode`	`meh cant find something newer`
`07:19.18`	`LinuxCode`	`;-[`
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`07:22.18`	`KotCzarny`	`nice`
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`07:41.38`	`KotCzarny`	`coming, and going.. fscked splits.`
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`07:55.23`	`febb`	`hi all`
`07:55.40`	`febb`	`anyone here has an nokia 770 internet tablet ?`
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`07:58.11`	`febb`	`anyone has a nokia 770 internet tablet on hand ?`
`07:58.20`	`Navi`	`febb, chill`
`07:58.30`	`Navi`	`This is IRC.`
`07:58.42`	`febb`	`I know.....`
`07:58.46`	`Proteous`	`febb: yeah`
`07:58.56`	`Navi`	`You'll get your answer in 2-5 business days`
`07:59.04`	`KotCzarny`	`not true`
`07:59.12`	`febb`	`bet not ! ;)`
`07:59.14`	`Proteous`	`I HAS GOT 770`
`07:59.21`	`czr`	`WE HAS TROUBLE.`
`07:59.22`	`Navi`	`Ignore Proteous`
`07:59.23`	`Proteous`	`WHAT YOU NEAD`
`07:59.26`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`07:59.29`	`Proteous`	`hey, that's not nice`
`07:59.30`	`Navi`	`he's a dirty liar`
`07:59.34`	`KotCzarny`	`yadda yadda`
`07:59.49`	`KotCzarny`	`CAN I HAZ 770?`
`07:59.50`	`Tama^2`	`I am in your tablet touching your screen`
`07:59.52`	`KotCzarny`	`t00`
`08:00.03`	`LinuxCode`	`morning Tama^2`
`08:00.14`	`LinuxCode`	`hey Tama^2 are you using gpesync ?`
`08:00.15`	`Tama^2`	`Hi LinuxCode`
`08:00.18`	`Proteous`	`febb seemed very impatient a while ago, and now there is no answer`
`08:00.26`	`czr`	`I'm in UR maemo breekin qemu`
`08:00.27`	`LinuxCode`	`need to know if it synces all your categories`
`08:00.30`	`Tama^2`	`nope, I still haven't tried gpe`
`08:00.32`	`LinuxCode`	`if you do`
`08:00.34`	`LinuxCode`	`k`
`08:00.43`	`LinuxCode`	`only seems to sync my personal category`
`08:00.55`	`LinuxCode`	`as long as it synces`
`08:01.01`	`LinuxCode`	`I guess I can live with that`
`08:01.01`	`febb`	`there's an answer....`
`08:01.12`	`Tama^2`	`I will try it out soon`
`08:01.16`	`Tama^2`	`and let you knoe :P`
`08:01.18`	`LinuxCode`	`k`
`08:01.28`	`KotCzarny`	`k-noe`
`08:01.30`	`LinuxCode`	`cobb made a daily snapshot repo`
`08:01.34`	`KotCzarny`	`canoe`
`08:01.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`08:01.39`	`LinuxCode`	`tried latest thought that would fix it`
`08:01.43`	`LinuxCode`	`no luck Tama^2`
`08:01.49`	`LinuxCode`	`when you get to trying it out hehe`
`08:01.51`	`LinuxCode`	`;-}`
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`08:02.54`	`febb`	`hi red-zack , msanchez`
`08:03.03`	`msanchez`	`hi`
`08:03.41`	`febb`	`msanchez: where are you from?`
`08:03.55`	`msanchez`	`from Galicia, Spain`
`08:04.16`	`febb`	`ah...looked like. ;)`
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`08:10.29`	`febb`	`hi ustunozgur`
`08:11.48`	`ustunozgur`	`hi febb`
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`08:15.20`	`aquatix`	`morning all`
`08:15.30`	`febb`	`hi aquatiz....`
`08:15.37`	`febb`	`aquatix...`
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`08:16.23`	`aquatix`	`hey febb`
`08:18.30`	`tank-man`	`can't you just reflash or update ?`
`08:19.07`	`johnx_`	`if all else fails you can grab the flashable image, pull the jffs2 image out of it, and mount that loopback on your desktop to extract the files`
`08:19.23`	`aquatix`	`yeah, was about to suggest something similar`
`08:21.08`	`febb`	`tank-man no, unfortunately no, I can't reflash or update...long story, but I can't. I just need to recover one of the video demo files that came with the 770, the DiscoveryChannel video...`
`08:21.27`	`febb`	`johnx_ that sounds like a possibility....`
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`08:22.33`	`johnx_`	`the flasher can "explode" the image so you can get at the jffs2, then you need a linux distro with mtd-ram.ko kernel module loaded (possibly some others) and jffs2 support, then just mount -o loop foo.jffs2 /some/dir`
`08:23.59`	`febb`	`I am going to try that ....if I can't find someone with a 770 who just can transfer me the file...`
`08:24.44`	`johnx_`	`I bet that most people with 770s already deleted it to get the space back...`
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`08:26.28`	`febb`	`yeah, could be.... there is not even a site where to download it...except for the nokia firmware dl site.`
`08:26.58`	`johnx_`	`well, it contains proprietary Nokia software so generally people avoid mirroring it for legal reasons...`
`08:28.15`	`febb`	`yeah, i know that...`
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`08:36.59`	`hrw`	`morning`
`08:37.27`	`hrw`	`febb: which file?`
`08:40.32`	`febb`	`I only need the Discovery channel video demo...`
`08:40.40`	`febb`	`i think it is named Discovery.vid`
`08:41.09`	`febb`	`hi hrw, by the way :)`
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`08:46.11`	`hrw`	`febb: tried to extract it from firmware image?`
`08:47.07`	`febb`	`hrw: not yet, I know I can do that...but no, I just tried looking for someone who could just transfer me the file... its a very long story.`
`08:47.47`	`johnx_`	`if you give me an image I'll extract the file for you. Should take about 5 minutes`
`08:47.48`	`febb`	`we are building a video processing software...NIT based, the issue is that many tests were made with that specific video.`
`08:48.11`	`febb`	`which is no longer in the n800 or n810.... and now it turns out that we need it.`
`08:48.27`	`johnx_`	`(an image or a 770 mac address)`
`08:48.39`	`febb`	`I can do that... hold a sec.`
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`09:13.02`	`febb`	`ok, got it finally.`
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`09:14.31`	`rm_you_`	`waking up in 4 hours... why do i always do this to myself >_<`
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`09:15.55`	`aquatix`	`rm_you: heh, sounds familiar`
`09:16.33`	`rm_you`	`the life of a computer scientist / enthusiast <_<`
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`09:21.13`	`aquatix`	`rm_you: sleep well`
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`09:24.28`	`febb`	`well. guess I am calling it a night.....`
`09:24.45`	`febb`	`see you later all ..in here.`
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`09:31.30`	`Jaffa`	`Morning, all`
`09:33.14`	`Spakman`	`hello`
`09:33.29`	`ertwroc`	`hi`
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`09:48.38`	`cLin`	`is there a command in xterm to load up microb and go to website?`
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`09:57.32`	`tank-man`	`cLin, i just looked and yea there is`
`09:58.09`	`tank-man`	`example command: browser --url=slashdot.org`
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`09:59.06`	`cesman`	`or browser http://foo.bar`
`09:59.19`	`cesman`	`doh!`
`09:59.22`	`cesman`	`scrap that last one`
`10:00.02`	`cesman`	`tank-man: you following me from channel to channel? ;)`
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`10:00.35`	`tank-man`	`i'm thinking the same thing :P`
`10:01.41`	`tank-man`	`i'm a guy, not a female :) you can stop stalking me`
`10:02.37`	`LinuxCode`	`lool`
`10:02.46`	`LinuxCode`	`men get stalked too`
`10:02.56`	`LinuxCode`	`by crazy women`
`10:03.01`	`LinuxCode`	`same principal`
`10:03.04`	`tank-man`	`i didnt need to know that`
`10:03.10`	`LinuxCode`	`I had a mate who got called 170 times`
`10:03.20`	`LinuxCode`	`by this crazy bitch`
`10:03.28`	`LinuxCode`	`I have a video of his mobile rining...`
`10:03.29`	`LinuxCode`	`haha`
`10:03.31`	`LinuxCode`	`so funny`
`10:03.38`	`LinuxCode`	`170 missed calls`
`10:03.53`	`LinuxCode`	`with it ringing ..then it stops...second later it rings again`
`10:06.38`	`cesman`	`damn`
`10:07.34`	`LinuxCode`	`yeh`
`10:07.42`	`LinuxCode`	`but for an outsider its kinda funny`
`10:07.49`	`LinuxCode`	`as long as its not your own phone ;-p`
`10:07.59`	`LinuxCode`	`but then Im in the UK so..`
`10:08.09`	`LinuxCode`	`we have laws against that`
`10:08.26`	`LinuxCode`	`your phone company would block the caller on request`
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`10:17.35`	`aquatix`	`yeah, here in the NL too`
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`10:57.17`	`florian`	`hi all`
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`11:05.50`	`johnx_`	`hello`
`11:06.12`	`LinuxCode`	`wb`
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`11:14.59`	`LinuxCode`	`anybody know what the qmu sdk application is based on ?`
`11:15.02`	`LinuxCode`	`qemu`
`11:15.10`	`LinuxCode`	`the first vmware image or the latest ?`
`11:15.14`	`LinuxCode`	`im getting a segfault`
`11:15.26`	`LinuxCode`	`trying to start maemo`
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`12:04.48`	`gomiam`	`mmm... I'm trying to use a N800 in host mode with the enclosed cable and I've been able to provide power to a USB hub I have`
`12:04.57`	`gomiam`	`but nothing else shows up`
`12:06.01`	`gomiam`	`I'm googling but I've had no luck yet about finding a good tutorial`
`12:06.23`	`johnx_`	`you did "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode" ?`
`12:06.33`	`johnx_`	`(or used usbcontrol)`
`12:06.37`	`gomiam`	`mmm.. no, I'm using usbcontrol`
`12:06.48`	`gomiam`	`hold on`
`12:06.59`	`johnx_`	`I heard some mumbling about hubs and whitelists`
`12:07.09`	`gomiam`	`I'm going to connect to my WiFi router so I can tinker with it from a console`
`12:07.21`	`johnx_`	`can you try to plug whatever you're trying in directly`
`12:07.22`	`LinuxCode`	`dont hubs drain power like mad`
`12:07.23`	`LinuxCode`	`?`
`12:07.23`	`gomiam`	`by the way, where does the dmesg log reside?`
`12:07.32`	`johnx_`	`hubs can also soak up power like LinuxCode said`
`12:07.36`	`LinuxCode`	`it only supports a keybaord`
`12:07.45`	`LinuxCode`	`powerwise`
`12:07.51`	`LinuxCode`	`hds etc.. wont work`
`12:07.53`	`johnx_`	`gomiam, it doesn't reside anywhere`
`12:07.56`	`gomiam`	`LinuxCode: no problem with power, it's connected to the DC adapter right now`
`12:08.03`	`johnx_`	`LinuxCode, flash drives should work`
`12:08.11`	`gomiam`	`johnx_: oh. How does dmesg get the kernel messages then?`
`12:08.17`	`LinuxCode`	`johnx_, I read some issues even with flash drives`
`12:08.29`	`johnx_`	`some work at least`
`12:08.31`	`LinuxCode`	`but as I hvanet tired`
`12:08.38`	`johnx_`	`I'll test mine in a second here`
`12:08.40`	`LinuxCode`	`Id rather take your word for it`
`12:08.46`	`LinuxCode`	`than some sites`
`12:09.03`	`LinuxCode`	`aka first hand experience`
`12:09.04`	`johnx_`	`I know I had a flash drive not work with my zaurus usb-host but others did`
`12:09.25`	`johnx_`	`some must be real pigs or tell lies about the amount of power they need`
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`12:10.00`	`yabbas`	`moo?`
`12:10.27`	`LinuxCode`	`more than likely hehe`
`12:10.50`	`johnx_`	`works great, even formatted as ext3`
`12:11.04`	`LinuxCode`	`if there isnt one specific standard they all just make their own ways to measure stuff`
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`12:11.51`	`gomiam`	`argh, isn't there a way to tail -f the kernel messages`
`12:11.52`	`gomiam`	`?`
`12:12.01`	`johnx_`	`gomiam, no`
`12:12.01`	`yabbas`	`Can anyone point me in the right direction to create a menu shortcut on maemo?`
`12:12.38`	`johnx_`	`yabbas, I'm pretty sure it's constructed out of .desktop files that live in /usr/share/hildon`
`12:12.50`	`johnx_`	`those might give you an idea of how to do it`
`12:13.10`	`yabbas`	`johnx_, tried looking at evinces, tweaking it - it states "X loading" and does nothing.`
`12:13.35`	`yabbas`	`this despite me being able to load said application through an xterm`
`12:13.56`	`yabbas`	`s/X/xyz`
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`12:16.33`	`gomiam`	`ok, now I'm getting some information`
`12:16.43`	`jku`	`yabbas, you'll need a service file. See /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ (from memory)`
`12:17.21`	`johnx_`	`and I seem to recall something about names needing to match in all places service, .desktop and someplace inside the app (?)`
`12:17.24`	`yabbas`	`cheers jku - I'll have a looksie`
`12:17.35`	`gomiam`	`I received a hub_suspend followed by a usb auto-suspend. What does that mean?`
`12:17.56`	`johnx_`	`I don't know...I've heard mumbles about hubs not being supported though`
`12:18.02`	`gomiam`	`oh`
`12:18.07`	`johnx_`	`can you try plugging whatever it is in directly?`
`12:18.39`	`gomiam`	`nope, no double female at hand yet`
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`12:18.57`	`johnx_`	`wait...how is it plugged into the hub?`
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`12:19.20`	`gomiam`	`I connect the tablet to the hub throught its own cable`
`12:19.24`	`Koshi`	`ohh, is this about using the tablet as usb host?`
`12:19.32`	`gomiam`	`and then connect the other peripheral to the same hub`
`12:20.00`	`Delio`	`usb hubs do not work like that`
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`12:20.20`	`johnx_`	`yeah...either I'm confused or there is no way that can work...`
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`12:20.28`	`jku`	`yabbas, could be I'm talking out of my ass (it's been a while since I did that), check the tutorial if it doesn't work`
`12:20.29`	`yabbas`	`weeeee :D it works - muchos thanks jku`
`12:20.35`	`jku`	`:)`
`12:20.44`	`johnx_`	`hmm?`
`12:20.56`	`yabbas`	`now all I need to do is package it up :-/`
`12:21.17`	`johnx_`	`ah, nevermind...lost track of the conversation...glad to hear it's working yabbas`
`12:21.32`	`yabbas`	`danke schone johnx_`
`12:21.43`	`johnx_`	`:)`
`12:21.56`	`gomiam`	`:/`
`12:21.57`	`Delio`	`you are using an usb hub like an ethernet hub except usb distinguishes between host and devices`
`12:22.12`	`gomiam`	`I guess I'll have to get a double female USB-A connector XD`
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`12:22.18`	`gomiam`	`Delio: oh, pity XD`
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`12:22.27`	`gomiam`	`stupid hub ;-D`
`12:22.49`	`johnx_`	`female-female adapters are cheap at least`
`12:22.59`	`Delio`	`eh ;)`
`12:23.08`	`gomiam`	`yup, and it's not like I didn't need the hub, anyway`
`12:23.18`	`Koshi`	`Hmm, just playing with f/f adapter here as well`
`12:23.43`	`johnx_`	`yup...I have a nice little no-name keyboard plugged into my N800 via one`
`12:23.48`	`Delio`	`mmm I should get myself one of those female to female adapters`
`12:24.08`	`Koshi`	`But it appears not to like working with anything`
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`12:24.40`	`johnx_`	`Koshi, what have you tried?`
`12:24.45`	`johnx_`	`mornin' b0unc3`
`12:24.49`	`yabbas`	`Delio, cheap as chips from DealExtreme. I ended up buying two :)`
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`12:24.58`	`johnx_`	`mmm...chips`
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`12:26.46`	`gomiam`	`"not findink double usb female konnektor" ;-)`
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`12:27.13`	`gomiam`	`(I'm looking at dealextreme)`
`12:27.28`	`yabbas`	`lemme find it for ya - I ordered two last week`
`12:27.31`	`Tama^3`	`test 123`
`12:27.52`	`johnx_`	`321 tset`
`12:28.04`	`Tama^3`	`>.>`
`12:28.29`	`yabbas`	`gomiam, SKU 2646 :)`
`12:28.42`	`Tama^3`	`it appers to be working with my correct nick now`
`12:29.01`	`gomiam`	`thanks`
`12:29.31`	`yabbas`	`My plan is to get the microAB plug, solder a tiny ribbon cable to it, then stick SKU 7106to the back of the N810 for some memory luvvin goodness. ;)`
`12:30.12`	`johnx_`	`yeah, I have a truly random collection of things stuck out the side of my N800 now :/`
`12:30.21`	`Tama^3`	`somehow before it switched to using my first name, but Ido not remember entering it anywhere on the tablet`
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`12:30.44`	`yabbas`	`johnx_, whacha got there?`
`12:31.09`	`johnx_`	`mini-b -> male A into a female A -> female A into a flash drive`
`12:31.10`	`yabbas`	`Tama^3, the tablet is all knowing, all seeing.`
`12:31.20`	`johnx_`	`all are just little adapters so there's no flex at all`
`12:31.25`	`johnx_`	`it worries me a lot :\|`
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`12:31.49`	`johnx_`	`it's ok when the keyboard plugged in on a flat surface, but with that assortment it's just begging to get snapped off`
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`12:32.12`	`yabbas`	`johnx_, aye worries me too...hence me looking at making my own :( Hama have a micro-usb cable for OTG devices but I don't think its microAB :(`
`12:34.14`	`yabbas`	`my thought is that if I have something like a small fragile ribbon cable soldered to the plug, any chance of bad flexing would simply screw up the makeshift rig as opposed to screwing up the port`
`12:34.53`	`yabbas`	`that and it should squeeze into the gap between the 810 and stand`
`12:35.17`	`johnx_`	`I think I'll just stick with a "travel configuration" and a "stationary configuration"...especially since the stand needs to be out for USB anyways`
`12:35.28`	`johnx_`	`that darn thing also feels fragile to me`
`12:35.32`	`yabbas`	`hehe`
`12:39.21`	`yabbas`	`Is there an easy way to debianize a .tar.gz for self-installation? None of this dh_make stuff`
`12:39.32`	`johnx_`	`dh_make is the easy way`
`12:39.53`	`yabbas`	`bwah - dh_make fails to create the deb though`
`12:39.59`	`jnbes`	`anyone know what is the default lock code for n810?`
`12:40.07`	`johnx_`	`12345`
`12:40.22`	`jnbes`	`incorrect...`
`12:40.33`	`johnx_`	`then I have no idea`
`12:40.42`	`johnx_`	`12345 was right for the N800, IIRC`
`12:41.08`	`johnx_`	`yabbas, I feel your pain...I just had to make a .deb for a couple arch-independent files and it was still a PITA`
`12:41.29`	`johnx_`	`I probably did it a million kinds of wrong as well...heh`
`12:41.31`	`liri`	`it seems to me like the n800 is a bit slow/heavy on loading content rich websites like youtube`
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`12:41.57`	`johnx_`	`javascript and flash are slow`
`12:42.04`	`yabbas`	`johnx_, doing things wrong is my worry too :/ Man - RELEASING an app should be made easier!`
`12:42.10`	`liri`	`is it any better in the n810 version?`
`12:42.18`	`liri`	`because the software stack is the same`
`12:42.30`	`johnx_`	`the N810 is the same CPU/RAM/mainboard`
`12:42.33`	`johnx_`	`so no`
`12:42.41`	`liri`	`ahh`
`12:43.04`	`johnx_`	`maybe try flashblock and just click on flash you want to see?`
`12:43.05`	`liri`	`I'm wondering what are the everyday things people are doing with the n800/810`
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`12:43.29`	`johnx_`	`light browsing, ebooks, music`
`12:43.41`	`liri`	`I have only played with the n800 a little bit today, I'll do some more tomorrow`
`12:43.56`	`koshi`	`Ok, had network issues, but a keyboard works fine via a female/female adapter :)`
`12:44.03`	`johnx_`	`it's too easy for me to get sucked into youtube for hours...so I really try to avoid it O_o`
`12:44.04`	`liri`	`I'm wondering how streaming videos off of vlc or something would be like`
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`12:44.26`	`yabbas`	`liri, what johnx said - plus DivX's, VOIP, and GPS navigation`
`12:44.38`	`johnx_`	`there's a neat little auto-transcoding web based thing that someone was working on`
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`12:44.50`	`johnx_`	`and there's orb for windows of course`
`12:45.19`	`liri`	`yabbas: divxs though have to be re-transcoded to play because it would probably be too heavy to play the normal movie files. what do you use for gps? (software)`
`12:45.21`	`koshi`	`At first it complained how it could not mount a file system from a keyboard (obviously) but then just worked fine :D`
`12:45.37`	`johnx_`	`koshi, it does that everytime :)`
`12:46.25`	`yabbas`	`liri: I'll be honest and say I've not transcoded most of the DivX's I download from the net - they just work. There is slowdown in heavy heavy action scenes but I live with it :) easier than transcoding,heh`
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`12:46.35`	`koshi`	`Ahh I see, at first I didin't realise it worked as by usual debug of a machine try pressing num lock and see if it lights up. It didin't so I asusmed it just didin't work`
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`12:46.50`	`johnx_`	`both of you might be interested in this then: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html`
`12:47.08`	`johnx_`	`I played with it a while back. when it works it's pretty freaking cool :)`
`12:47.14`	`yabbas`	`liri, GPS - I have a code from Wayfinder so that's what I use. Also wanna look into saving google map for offline usage with maemomapper.`
`12:47.50`	`liri`	`looks nice`
`12:48.04`	`liri`	`ahh yes`
`12:48.21`	`liri`	`well gps from wayfinder requires internet access and on the road it isn't very common... at least here`
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`12:48.32`	`liri`	`googlemaps isn't good here either becasue the streets are not mapped :(`
`12:48.54`	`yabbas`	`?`
`12:48.55`	`johnx_`	`well, that's no good :/`
`12:49.07`	`yabbas`	`why does wayfinder gps need internet access?`
`12:49.11`	`johnx_`	`I've heard that google maps' quality varies by country`
`12:49.34`	`johnx_`	`wait...maemo-mapper requires inet access for maps. wayfinder doesn't I thought`
`12:49.40`	`johnx_`	`(after the initial map download)`
`12:50.04`	`aquatix`	`yeah`
`12:50.17`	`yabbas`	`I'd like off-line satellite images for maemo-mapper simply because I get curious wondering what's over the fence :D`
`12:50.23`	`liri`	`umm, I could be confusing things... what software do you use for the maps on the maemo?`
`12:50.44`	`johnx_`	`there are two: "Maps" aka wayfinder, and maemo-mapper`
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`12:51.02`	`aquatix`	`wayfinder works offline fyi`
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`12:51.24`	`liri`	`so wayfinder are basically maps/program?`
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`12:51.32`	`aquatix`	`yes`
`12:51.52`	`liri`	`ahh nice, I thought it was like an online service for the maps (like googlemaps)`
`12:52.11`	`aquatix`	`no, that's the maemo-mapper program`
`12:52.18`	`liri`	`do they have world wide maps?`
`12:52.27`	`aquatix`	`not quite`
`12:52.27`	`johnx_`	`kinda`
`12:52.33`	`aquatix`	`but they cover a lot`
`12:52.49`	`yabbas`	`wayfinder's pretty much a bog standard "no frills" gps navigation software. Really wish we could parse their routable maps and create something better :(`
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`12:53.26`	`liri`	`what formats does wayfinder use for maps?`
`12:53.43`	`johnx_`	`some vector format`
`12:53.57`	`liri`	`it isn't like the igo format?`
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`13:02.28`	`aquatix`	`yay`
`13:02.35`	`aquatix`	`got my boxwave screen protector`
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`13:09.41`	`mgedmin`	`interfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and`
`13:09.43`	`mgedmin`	`user interfaces.`
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`13:12.37`	`jnbes`	`johnx_, it was 12345.... me must have crappy fingers... could you slap my face with a big rotten trout please? :-)`
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`13:13.34`	`johnx_`	`meh...no trout here`
`13:13.38`	`johnx_`	`don't worry about it`
`13:13.50`	`johnx_`	`I'll just write an IOU if that's ok with you :)`
`13:14.14`	`jnbes`	`iou?`
`13:14.27`	`johnx_`	`I owe you one trout slap, signed johnx`
`13:14.30`	`johnx_`	`:D`
`13:14.36`	`jnbes`	`ok, fine`
`13:15.23`	`johnx_`	`czr, you wish I owed you a trout slap? O_o`
`13:15.39`	`czr`	`johnx_, of course.`
`13:15.47`	`czr`	`I'm that kind of boy.`
`13:16.19`	`johnx_`	`there are skeery people on the internet...`
`13:16.27`	`jnbes`	`..`
`13:20.17`	`czr`	`johnx_, people? :-)`
`13:20.31`	`aquatix`	`skeery?`
`13:20.49`	`jaska_`	`atleast i hope im not written in tcl`
`13:20.57`	`aquatix`	`ah, skeery`
`13:21.09`	`czr`	`jaska_, it could be worse. GW Basic.`
`13:21.25`	`johnx_`	`ti-basic is pretty bad too`
`13:22.28`	`Juhaz`	`you can tell the language by how subtly they troll`
`13:22.46`	`johnx_`	`ahaha :D`
`13:23.04`	`Juhaz`	`the sad little spammers are clearly VBA macros running in MS Office`
`13:23.58`	`jaska_`	`now look what you started :)`
`13:24.21`	`johnx_`	`it's not my fault you're all written in tcl :P`
`13:24.31`	`johnx_`	`also, gah, sapwood-server is being a PITA`
`13:25.04`	`czr`	`johnx_, not all. most. :-)`
`13:25.15`	`czr`	`some of the more silent ones are written in bf.`
`13:25.25`	`czr`	`they're not too bright in general.`
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`13:25.35`	`johnx_`	`heh...there was a better one than bf that I saw the other day`
`13:29.01`	`advhertz`	`hello there, I would like to know please how to install the statusbarclock, I mean, indeed I would like to know in which repository it exists. Instead using the "manual" .deb file installation I would like to install it using the debian APT/maemo Appl Man program. This is the link of the project https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/`
`13:29.48`	`johnx_`	`for OS2007 or OS2008?`
`13:30.08`	`advhertz`	`johnx_, OS2008`
`13:30.46`	`johnx_`	`I don't believe that it is available in a repository`
`13:31.16`	`advhertz`	`I have both "installed" yet the extra and extra-devel maemo repository...`
`13:31.17`	`advhertz`	`mhh...`
`13:31.18`	`advhertz`	`really?`
`13:31.55`	`johnx_`	`most repositories are listed on gronmayer.com/it . If you search for statusbarclock you can see that it's not available from any of them`
`13:33.31`	`johnx_`	`czr, check out the malbolge language...it went years without a hello world...`
`13:35.00`	`czr`	`johnx_, haha.`
`13:35.02`	`advhertz`	`johnx_, ok Thanks!`
`13:35.06`	`czr`	`it looks like Perl++.`
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`13:35.55`	`johnx_`	`the person who appears to have gotten the farthest with it programmed using cryptanalysis techniques O_o`
`13:37.16`	`shackan`	`with what?`
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`13:37.56`	`johnx_`	`shackan, malbolge...an "esoteric" programming language`
`13:38.26`	`ccooke`	`It's a fun language`
`13:41.37`	`johnx_`	`well, moonlight has been in progress for a while, IIRC`
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`13:43.28`	`Jaffa`	`johnx_: Nokia and MS both advocating a Mono-based solution? I doubt it.`
`13:43.51`	`Jaffa`	`aquatix: personally, I don't care either - but the politics are important; and I know a lot of people who will care.`
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`13:44.12`	`aquatix`	`myeah`
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`13:44.25`	`johnx_`	`I thought moonlight/mono was at least not completely condemned by MS?`
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`13:45.33`	`Jaffa`	`johnx_: not sure. I know there's still enough doubt over it and patents. If it were Moonlight-based, I'd've expected Novell to be mentioned in the PR (although admittedly it was dealing with S60 primarily; S40 & ITOS were relegated to a footnote saying "watch this space")`
`13:46.26`	`johnx_`	`hmm...I wonder if S60/S40 will have one implementation and ITOS will have another`
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`13:54.29`	`DaniloCesar`	`Will maemo accept projects in soc2008?`
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`13:55.58`	`plb`	`can you format a memory card within the n800?`
`13:56.03`	`johnx_`	`yes`
`13:56.14`	`plb`	`how does one do this? ;]`
`13:56.22`	`johnx_`	`in file manager :)`
`13:57.06`	`johnx_`	`select memory card, menu -> tools -> format`
`13:57.27`	`plb`	`thanks`
`14:00.54`	`plb`	`also, that nokia tablet software update wizard is capable of reformating the n800 right`
`14:00.58`	`plb`	`?`
`14:01.24`	`johnx_`	`yup...it "reflashes" the device, erasing everything on the internal flash`
`14:01.35`	`johnx_`	`gah...I should sleep`
`14:01.39`	`johnx_`	`'night all`
`14:02.11`	`plb`	`thanks`
`14:02.15`	`plb`	`night`
`14:02.20`	`plb`	`morning for me ;]`
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`14:10.14`	`plb`	`hm howcome I have an update to the application map but it won't let me install it? says it's from another source? And I just put os2008 on here`
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`14:12.45`	`SDuensin`	`Morning.`
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`14:19.52`	`plb`	`hm when you install something from maemo.org it automatically adds the repo to your source?`
`14:23.41`	`plb`	`ah nm`
`14:23.53`	`plb`	`maemo extras is already in but disabled by default`
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`15:00.54`	`plb`	`hrm this youtube plugin for canola2 looks nice`
`15:00.59`	`plb`	`wonder how long till we see it`
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`15:06.11`	`achadwick`	`Anyone else getting a dangling arm-none-linux-gnueabi-cc -> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc symlink when trying to use maemo-sdk for Ubuntu gutsy?`
`15:09.04`	`k-s`	`plb: we're finishing last bits`
`15:09.21`	`plb`	`k-s: awesome, can't wait`
`15:09.21`	`k-s`	`also working on last.fm`
`15:09.36`	`plb`	`I actually haven't even tried canola yet..just got my n800 yesterday ;]`
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`15:09.53`	`plb`	`k-s: aweseom +2 ;]`
`15:09.58`	`plb`	`er`
`15:10.00`	`plb`	`aweseom even`
`15:10.22`	`k-s`	`and they'll be open source so people can extend canola`
`15:10.34`	`plb`	`only things I've installed so far are mplayer and pidgin`
`15:10.38`	`k-s`	`we still need some hooks so plugins can act, but these will come with time`
`15:10.47`	`k-s`	`and requirements, as we hate overthinking ;-)`
`15:10.52`	`plb`	`hehe`
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`15:52.11`	`lopz`	`hola`
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`16:09.59`	`LinuxCode`	`hello`
`16:11.27`	`LinuxCode`	`later all...time to have a kip`
`16:12.05`	`KotCzarny`	`yawn, re`
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`16:15.23`	`pupnik_`	`an arm-optimized fmopl would benefit a lot of projects`
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`16:19.09`	`texel`	`Good morning, folks.`
`16:19.19`	`jamey`	`what is fmopl?`
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`16:20.00`	`pupnik`	`a FM-synthesis chip for sound generation used in mame, dosbox, and a number of game engines`
`16:20.12`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:20.25`	`pupnik`	`it would best to run it on the dsp`
`16:20.43`	`pupnik`	`the rest of the sound blaster could be on the ARM`
`16:20.52`	`KotCzarny`	`why`
`16:21.02`	`KotCzarny`	`pcm tasks would be usefull`
`16:21.18`	`KotCzarny`	`i think..`
`16:21.34`	`pupnik`	`because many projects could use the fmopl on dsp directly, and a sound blaster on dsp would only be useful to dosbox`
`16:21.57`	`pupnik`	`also if you look at cpu use, only the fmopl chip takes up much time`
`16:22.08`	`pupnik`	`the rest of the sb is just some signalling and sound buffering`
`16:22.28`	`KotCzarny`	`pcm mixing can take some cpu too`
`16:22.36`	`KotCzarny`	`especially many chans`
`16:22.39`	`texel`	`KotCzarny: SB's weren't multichannel.`
`16:22.48`	`texel`	`Only the AWE was, and that was in a strange way. =op`
`16:23.01`	`texel`	`Multichannel mixing was always done in hardware.`
`16:23.11`	`texel`	`Now the GUS, OTOH... =o)`
`16:23.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`16:24.12`	`KotCzarny`	`and you would have regret it today`
`16:24.13`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`16:24.20`	`KotCzarny`	`teeth and eyes are important ;)`
`16:24.40`	`texel`	`Nah. Not really -- my eye-teeth just bite down on the inside of my lips, mostly. =op`
`16:24.59`	`KotCzarny`	`you would be amazed how much you will miss them`
`16:25.00`	`KotCzarny`	`:P`
`16:25.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:25.04`	`texel`	`Hehe`
`16:26.38`	`hltpyldr`	`Hello! I have been looking for a C compiler for the N800 and have not been able to locate one on the maemo website or anywhere on the web. Surely there must be a C compiler available for the N800. Could someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks!`
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`16:26.57`	`KotCzarny`	`hltpyldr: do you need gcc or sdk?`
`16:27.21`	`KotCzarny`	`ie. you want to use it on nokia or prefer to just copy binaries from pc?`
`16:27.23`	`hltpyldr`	`Probably gcc I believe. Just for simple C programs that I will be writing in class.`
`16:27.52`	`KotCzarny`	`gcc and stuff is available`
`16:28.01`	`KotCzarny`	`though i don't remember exatcly from which repos`
`16:28.10`	`KotCzarny`	`if you don't have to enable them in a special way`
`16:29.24`	`hltpyldr`	`Ok, thank you. I'll look around for gcc then and see if I can locate something. Thanks!`
`16:29.25`	`KotCzarny`	`try: apt-get install gcc`
`16:29.39`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe it's already available`
`16:30.59`	`hltpyldr`	`I have not tried apt-gett'ing with the n800. I was not sure if I would screw anything up since it's got the ARM processor and all. Apt-get will work for installing apps (assuming that what I am looking for is in the repo)??`
`16:31.11`	`KotCzarny`	`nope, it's safe`
`16:31.25`	`hltpyldr`	`that's great! i'll try it.`
`16:31.31`	`KotCzarny`	`unless you start playing with --force`
`16:31.40`	`KotCzarny`	`but that can break regular debian too`
`16:31.41`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`16:32.32`	`hltpyldr`	`do I need to be sudo?`
`16:32.40`	`texel`	`hltpyldr: you need root, certainly.`
`16:32.47`	`hltpyldr`	`k`
`16:33.03`	`KotCzarny`	`ssh could be convenient for that`
`16:33.04`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:33.09`	`texel`	`hltpyldr: fortunately, the apt repositories defined for the N800 are also ARM, so you're safe doing an apt-get install, etc.`
`16:34.33`	`hltpyldr`	`texel: that's great to know, thanks!`
`16:35.04`	`KotCzarny`	`another happy customer, ding`
`16:35.09`	`KotCzarny`	`that would be 5E`
`16:35.10`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`16:37.21`	`texel`	`5E?`
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`16:37.57`	`KotCzarny`	`5 EUR`
`16:38.03`	`texel`	`Ahh.`
`16:38.04`	`hltpyldr`	`looks like there are several dependencies and it won't install them. it suggests that I use apt-get -f ...`
`16:38.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`liri, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F`
`16:38.38`	`KotCzarny`	`-f refreshed package lists, doesn't it?`
`16:38.42`	`KotCzarny`	`refreshes`
`16:38.42`	`texel`	`GeneralAntilles: Interesting writeup on that page, btw -- sounds like you make extensive use of the thing. =o)`
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`16:38.50`	`texel`	`No.`
`16:38.53`	`texel`	`-f forces an install.`
`16:38.58`	`hltpyldr`	`So -f is different from --force?`
`16:39.00`	`texel`	`apt-get update refreshes your package lists.`
`16:39.06`	`KotCzarny`	`ah, you're right`
`16:39.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I encourage anybody interested to add their own story.`
`16:39.22`	`KotCzarny`	`hltpyldr: don't force, satisfy`
`16:39.23`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:39.44`	`texel`	`GeneralAntilles: I probably will -- once I head out to Israel for my two week vacation. =o)`
`16:39.52`	`hltpyldr`	`I'll try update and upgrade and see if that solves it.`
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`16:40.14`	`KotCzarny`	`and choose a easier nick to type on irc`
`16:40.15`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`16:40.17`	`KotCzarny`	`an`
`16:40.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's called tab-completion.`
`16:40.46`	`KotCzarny`	`it's called brain laziness`
`16:40.57`	`texel`	`Tab-completion is brain laziness of the first order. =o)`
`16:41.37`	`texel`	`Yay! My qemu build finished. =o)`
`16:41.48`	`KotCzarny`	`reminds me of all those automatically generated spam ;)`
`16:44.30`	`hltpyldr`	`KotCzarny: texel: Thank you for your help. I have run apt-get update and upgrade and not all updates were made due to dependency issues. Still won't install gcc, but when I have more time, I'll install the dependencies.`
`16:44.42`	`hltpyldr`	`I need to leave now, but I wanted to thank you for your help!`
`16:44.48`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:45.09`	`hltpyldr`	`Have a great day! I'm psyched that apt-get works!!! Cheers!`
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`16:45.28`	`KotCzarny`	`now, that was positive ;)`
`16:46.02`	`texel`	`That just gave me a big warm fuzzy feeling inside. =o)`
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`16:51.17`	`texel`	`Any chance someone could show me what their /media/mmc2 line looks like in their /etc/fstab at all?`
`16:51.29`	`texel`	`(hopefully on an N810, but an N800 would work as well)`
`16:51.49`	`texel`	`...and I need to compare it to the stock /etc/fstab`
`16:52.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`mmc2 isn't mentioned. :\`
`16:53.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:53.09`	`KotCzarny`	`txel: it's mounted from scripts`
`16:53.09`	`texel`	`That works, too. =o)`
`16:53.17`	`KotCzarny`	`ga: you don's have noatime`
`16:53.18`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`16:53.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's stock, Kot.`
`16:53.26`	`texel`	`KotCzarny: the scripts just do a simple "sudo mount /mount/mmc#"`
`16:53.30`	`KotCzarny`	`and probably for / neither`
`16:53.38`	`texel`	`So if the fstab is written wrong, they won't mount properly.`
`16:53.42`	`texel`	`Or mount at all.`
`16:53.48`	`texel`	`GeneralAntilles: thanks. =o)`
`16:53.58`	`KotCzarny`	`texel: i believe it launches mount-mmc script`
`16:53.59`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:54.08`	`b0unc3`	`/usr/sbin/mmc-mount`
`16:54.17`	`KotCzarny`	`which will detect both cards`
`16:54.20`	`KotCzarny`	`or something`
`16:54.22`	`texel`	`Right.`
`16:56.17`	`texel`	`Perfect.`
`16:56.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:56.29`	`texel`	`Okay, so adding those options made mount /media/mmc2 behave properly.`
`16:56.36`	`texel`	`I had a bunch of weird ones in there.`
`16:56.50`	`texel`	`Like fmod=0666 and dmod=0000.`
`16:56.55`	`KotCzarny`	`also adding quiet as mount option is convenient`
`16:56.57`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:57.04`	`texel`	`I don't think the kernel understood what those options meant, so mount was failing.`
`16:57.33`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:57.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`16:58.03`	`KotCzarny`	`those are mine`
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`17:09.17`	`KotCzarny`	`cool`
`17:09.19`	`KotCzarny`	`split again`
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`17:11.40`	`KotCzarny`	`umkay`
`17:11.49`	`KotCzarny`	`so preliminary fitting is done`
`17:11.58`	`KotCzarny`	`anyone wants to try kcbatt ?`
`17:11.59`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`17:12.58`	`pupnik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:13.01`	`KotCzarny`	`kcbatt`
`17:13.21`	`KotCzarny`	`it's a retu-adc.c but upgraded for n800`
`17:14.22`	`texel`	`retu-adc.c? O.o`
`17:14.37`	`KotCzarny`	`tells you how much battery charge still left`
`17:14.40`	`KotCzarny`	`in percent`
`17:14.43`	`texel`	`Ahh.`
`17:14.48`	`texel`	`Where does it live?`
`17:14.54`	`KotCzarny`	`?`
`17:14.57`	`texel`	`In the CLI, or as a plugin somewhere?`
`17:15.02`	`KotCzarny`	`right now in cli`
`17:15.06`	`texel`	`Ahh.`
`17:15.14`	`KotCzarny`	`because i needed algorithm working first`
`17:15.20`	`texel`	`Makes sense.`
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`17:15.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm assuming more is coming? We've already got percentage: http://nitapps.com/`
`17:15.26`	`texel`	`Is it packaged up, or just a raw binary?`
`17:15.47`	`KotCzarny`	`raw binary`
`17:16.05`	`texel`	`Holy crap, where did all that come from? =o)`
`17:16.19`	`KotCzarny`	`ga: where's the source?`
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`17:16.33`	`KotCzarny`	`Note: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet. I will try to find a workaround for this.`
`17:16.44`	`KotCzarny`	`mine uses raw access to /dev/retu`
`17:16.45`	`KotCzarny`	`:P`
`17:17.19`	`KotCzarny`	`so, who has n8x0 and wants to test my algorithm?`
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`17:20.17`	`KotCzarny`	`and when i finish my rundown tests i will add times as well`
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`17:25.36`	`KotCzarny`	`anyway, here it is: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/`
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`17:28.41`	`KotCzarny`	`please let me know how well it works`
`17:28.50`	`KotCzarny`	`algo is v0.1 :)`
`17:28.51`	`pupnik`	`ty`
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`17:29.50`	`texel`	`Interesting output.`
`17:29.53`	`texel`	`While charging, I get:`
`17:30.01`	`texel`	`retu-adc #8: -1 n800: -148%`
`17:30.18`	`KotCzarny`	`on n800 ?`
`17:31.57`	`texel`	`And with the charger disconnected.`
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`17:32.09`	`KotCzarny`	`which nokia do you have?`
`17:34.26`	`texel`	`Mind you, according to DBUS, I have a full charge.`
`17:34.26`	`texel`	`This is on an N810.`
`17:34.26`	`texel`	`Well, you asked for an n8x0, so I figured that applied equally to the N810. =op`
`17:34.26`	`texel`	`I'm afraid I don't have an N800 to test with.`
`17:34.35`	`texel`	`N810 here.`
`17:34.38`	`KotCzarny`	`ah that will explain`
`17:34.56`	`KotCzarny`	`770 used another retu field`
`17:35.01`	`texel`	`Ahh.`
`17:35.02`	`ac7ss`	`is there a shell command that will return the battery charge (N810)`
`17:35.15`	`KotCzarny`	`ac7ss: i'm working on it`
`17:35.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:35.31`	`KotCzarny`	`texel: wanna show me your adc?`
`17:35.39`	`texel`	`Erm... how? =op`
`17:35.43`	`KotCzarny`	`moment`
`17:35.49`	`texel`	`ac7ss: one that currently works (though with a rather annoying bug) is at http://nitapps.com/`
`17:37.42`	`KotCzarny`	`texel: same dir`
`17:37.43`	`ac7ss`	`oooh, just what I was looking for. (I see a few I wanted to write)`
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`17:38.34`	`KotCzarny`	`erm. wait`
`17:38.56`	`KotCzarny`	`ahm, ok, go on`
`17:39.01`	`KotCzarny`	`fixed one bug :)`
`17:40.14`	`texel`	`Well, I'm afraid I can't stick around any longer.`
`17:40.19`	`texel`	`I have to get into work.`
`17:40.29`	`KotCzarny`	`let me know when you get back`
`17:40.31`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:40.35`	`texel`	`Sure.`
`17:40.46`	`KotCzarny`	`my guess fix is as simple as selecting another field`
`17:42.32`	`texel`	`Okay, out~!`
`17:42.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`17:46.56`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb :)`
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`17:47.18`	`ssvb`	`hi KotCzarny :)`
`17:47.33`	`KotCzarny`	`which nokia do you have?`
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`17:49.03`	`KotCzarny`	`o.O`
`17:49.55`	`ac7ss`	`I can't install the repository from nitapps. :( I want GPS-Time.`
`17:49.59`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: 770 and N800, I also have still unused N810 developer's device program discount code :)`
`17:50.21`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvd: can you help me testing my program on n770/n800 ?`
`17:50.22`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:51.58`	`febb`	`ssvb: Do you have a 770 on hand now?`
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`17:52.55`	`jaska_`	`ooh almost 10h uptime and no reboot`
`17:52.59`	`ssvb`	`febb: yes`
`17:53.22`	`febb`	`ssvb: Do you still have on your 770 the demo video from Discovery channel "Discovery.avi" ?`
`17:53.50`	`ssvb`	`febb: unfortunately I deleted it to save space`
`17:54.20`	`febb`	`ssvb : well, thx anyway :) Hope someone still has it available on their 770.`
`17:55.38`	`Juhaz`	`you could always dig it from the firmware image.`
`17:56.18`	`febb`	`Juhaz: yeah, that is my last resort... Gotta find out how the firmware image is "built"..and then get into it...`
`17:56.30`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: Can't promise anything, I'm quite short of spare time lately`
`17:56.46`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb: simple download, run and paste results to me`
`17:56.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:57.58`	`Juhaz`	`febb, there's a flasher option. --unpack, -u Unpack a FIASCO image`
`17:58.21`	`henrique`	`hi, anyone knows where microb store the list of sites opened?`
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`17:58.48`	`febb`	`Juhaz: that's good news. I suppose it unpacks the image into to the local pc disk...`
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`17:58.57`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: ok, I can try this in about an hour`
`17:59.04`	`KotCzarny`	`great, thx :)`
`17:59.04`	`Juhaz`	`or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/#2835bd18b76fb0352af794c2c00923e5`
`17:59.22`	`Juhaz`	`febb, yep`
`17:59.24`	`febb`	`Juhaz: thx!`
`17:59.31`	`febb`	`let me look at it right now.`
`17:59.33`	`ssvb`	`now I need to go offline, see you later`
`17:59.37`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:59.47`	`febb`	`Juhaz: that is with flasher 3.0, right?`
`17:59.56`	`Juhaz`	`any version, probably.`
`18:00.03`	`febb`	`ok, let me check.`
`18:00.05`	`febb`	`thx`
`18:02.53`	`febb`	`downloading the image now.....`
`18:03.18`	`febb`	`the flasher's -u option does not work on the "regular" firmware image. Getting the FIASCO one now.`
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`18:08.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`febb, they're all FIASCO.`
`18:08.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`./flasher-3.0 -F <image> -u`
`18:09.10`	`KotCzarny`	`quite unfortunate name for a product`
`18:09.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:09.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's not a "product".`
`18:09.29`	`KotCzarny`	`part of the product`
`18:09.34`	`KotCzarny`	`is a product too`
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`18:10.43`	`febb`	`GeneralAntilles: mmmm wierd, let me double check why that -u option did not work then.....`
`18:11.19`	`inz`	`febb, did you give both -u and -F?`
`18:11.52`	`febb`	`yep.... and the flasher has +x permissions.... ..`
`18:12.04`	`febb`	`ah ! got it, it downloads with an extra "," (comma) at the end.`
`18:13.13`	`febb`	`ok, worked... now I suppose I got to mount that root image... on a loop device.... correct?`
`18:13.14`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, pfft`
`18:13.20`	`KotCzarny`	`drges: ?`
`18:14.10`	`Juhaz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:14.13`	`Drges`	`It's a fucking image format, not a product.`
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`18:14.43`	`Drges`	`s/format/compression method/`
`18:14.54`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, and you buy your products in shops without containers`
`18:15.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It never stops.`
`18:15.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`He can't turn off.`
`18:15.31`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, I buy my gumballs out of gumball machines`
`18:15.58`	`KotCzarny`	`gumball machine is a packaging too`
`18:16.04`	`Drges`	`The machine is as much of the product as the air around it`
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`18:16.06`	`KotCzarny`	`but one you cannot take`
`18:16.10`	`Drges`	`and the light that hits it`
`18:16.19`	`KotCzarny`	`marketing is a part of the product`
`18:16.22`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`18:16.26`	`KotCzarny`	`k-lined?`
`18:16.48`	`GNUton`	`Hi`
`18:16.58`	`Drges`	`and the delivery truck, the men who delivered it, the paycheck that they recieve`
`18:16.59`	`Drges`	`from the profits that the corporations get`
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`18:17.05`	`Drges`	`from the money we pay them`
`18:17.10`	`KotCzarny`	`drges: yes`
`18:17.10`	`Drges`	`from the work we do`
`18:17.19`	`Drges`	`The point being, why does it fucking matter?`
`18:17.25`	`Drges`	`EVERYTHING is part of the product.`
`18:17.27`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`18:17.38`	`KotCzarny`	`otherwise it won't be a product`
`18:18.07`	`Drges`	`Quite the tangent there`
`18:19.29`	`Drges`	`GNUton, Hi`
`18:20.40`	`GNUton`	`hey Drges!`
`18:20.41`	`Drges`	`Oh yeah, I remembered what i was going to say`
`18:21.15`	`GNUton`	`amnesia! :P`
`18:22.12`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, quit being such a pussy, you tried to cover yourself by slightly modifying your incorrect statement into a statement that's impossible be wrong. Admit your fagness and get it over with. There are many people sick of your attitude.`
`18:22.30`	`KotCzarny`	`so what?`
`18:22.36`	`KotCzarny`	`you have attitude too`
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`18:22.49`	`KotCzarny`	`you don't like me? /ignore to the rescue`
`18:23.09`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, all of it is directed towards you, your attitude is towards everyone in the room`
`18:23.58`	`henrique`	`well, the browser history seems to be stored at ~/.opera/global.dat -- anyone knows how is this file structured?`
`18:24.25`	`KotCzarny`	`drges: i'm not a problem, i can be wrong, but i don't call other people names just because i don't like their attitude`
`18:24.31`	`KotCzarny`	`that's childish`
`18:25.00`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, no, you're more of an asshole about it`
`18:25.06`	`KotCzarny`	`see?`
`18:25.14`	`KotCzarny`	`you did it again`
`18:25.15`	`Drges`	`At least I have the balls to be direct.`
`18:25.15`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:25.16`	`Juhaz`	`why don't you take your pissing match to /msg so everyone else doesn't have to use ignore?`
`18:25.21`	`KotCzarny`	`it's not the balls`
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`18:25.31`	`KotCzarny`	`it's just childish 'calling names'`
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`18:25.45`	`Drges`	`KotCzarny, and you're not doing the same with me at this moment?`
`18:25.49`	`KotCzarny`	`juhaz: it's them that have problem`
`18:26.06`	`KotCzarny`	`drges: nope, i'm just defending myself :)`
`18:26.35`	`Drges`	`Uh-huh`
`18:26.40`	`yabbas`	`Juhaz++`
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`18:28.25`	`Drges`	`henrique, it's a tree structure`
`18:28.30`	`Drges`	`saved as plaintext`
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`18:28.49`	`Drges`	`at least it should be`
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`18:34.48`	`henrique`	`Dregs, why do you think so?`
`18:35.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, Dregs! What the hell?!`
`18:35.50`	`Drges`	`henrique, think what?`
`18:36.11`	`henrique`	`Dregs, that it should be a tree structure?`
`18:36.20`	`Mousey`	`flap flap`
`18:36.25`	`henrique`	`Dregs, and do you have some link about this?`
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`18:38.09`	`yabbas`	`right ... I'm editing the control file to build a deb. In the "Build-Depends" section - do I list JUST the build dependencies required to compile? Or should I list packages that are also required to use the application?`
`18:38.22`	`KotCzarny`	`yabbas: runtime`
`18:38.32`	`yabbas`	`ty KotCzarny`
`18:38.42`	`KotCzarny`	`unless you make a source-deb package`
`18:38.57`	`KotCzarny`	`ah, sorry`
`18:39.05`	`KotCzarny`	`wrong.`
`18:39.09`	`KotCzarny`	`you're right`
`18:39.17`	`yabbas`	`hmm, hokay.`
`18:39.29`	`KotCzarny`	`in depends is runtime`
`18:39.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:39.53`	`yabbas`	`so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it?`
`18:39.54`	`briand`	`"ah, sorry" "you're right" ...I think you're qualified to enter into a relationship with women, now. You've unlocked the secret. ;)`
`18:40.08`	`KotCzarny`	`briand: nope, i'm very stubborn`
`18:40.22`	`briand`	`yes, but you've learned the two magic phrases!`
`18:40.23`	`KotCzarny`	`i'm i know i'm right :)`
`18:40.36`	`KotCzarny`	`s/^i'm/if/`
`18:41.00`	`KotCzarny`	`briand: which nokia do you have?`
`18:41.09`	`briand`	`i've got the _right_ one! ;)`
`18:41.15`	`briand`	`umm.. the n800`
`18:41.15`	`yabbas`	`repeat: so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it? ;)`
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`18:42.07`	`KotCzarny`	`briand: can you help me testing my batt util?`
`18:42.08`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`18:42.24`	`briand`	`if (knackered == medicated) { print "no you don't!";`
`18:42.29`	`onion`	`got 4 more frames with vfp, not too bad`
`18:42.30`	`briand`	`oops.`
`18:42.45`	`briand`	`s/";$/"};/`
`18:42.51`	`lcuk`	`knackered == an hour of mario vs sonic at the olypmics`
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`18:43.01`	`briand`	`KotCzarny: batt util?`
`18:43.18`	`KotCzarny`	`to print remaining charge`
`18:43.32`	`KotCzarny`	`from command line :)`
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`18:43.42`	`briand`	`two questions, well, three now...`
`18:43.55`	`briand`	`1) do you have an n800, or another device`
`18:43.59`	`KotCzarny`	`n800`
`18:44.00`	`briand`	`2) has it been bricked?`
`18:44.05`	`KotCzarny`	`no`
`18:44.05`	`briand`	`3) where's the GUI ??`
`18:44.15`	`KotCzarny`	`gui has batt status already`
`18:44.20`	`KotCzarny`	`i need one that i can run in scripts`
`18:44.27`	`KotCzarny`	`that's the reason :)`
`18:44.30`	`briand`	`sh or pl?`
`18:44.34`	`briand`	`(or both?)`
`18:44.34`	`KotCzarny`	`c`
`18:44.48`	`KotCzarny`	`can be done in pl i guess`
`18:44.48`	`briand`	`c would be source, not script`
`18:45.10`	`KotCzarny`	`but i don't want to depend on perl`
`18:45.27`	`lcuk`	`why use a command line tool when its simple to do it yourself, just use command line util to take a screenshot, send it to an online printer, get them to fax the results back put it on a wooden table, take a picture and finally ocr it`
`18:45.28`	`KotCzarny`	batt=`kcbatt -q`;
`18:45.43`	`Drges`	`henrique, it was off of an old opera doc`
`18:45.47`	`lcuk`	`battery status == simple ;)`
`18:45.48`	`briand`	`depend on? nah... just make an optional perl module that will _also_ use the app to get results. :)`
`18:45.55`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:46.04`	`briand`	`see? I just doubled your software output, and you didn't need to do anything.`
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`18:46.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`18:46.23`	`Drges`	`henrique, I don't know about the tree, but it's ASCII title, ASCII URL, and then ASCII Date/Time`
`18:46.24`	`KotCzarny`	`anyway, can you try it?`
`18:46.27`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:46.30`	`henrique`	`Dregs, I need to parse that file and get the list of sites accessed`
`18:46.50`	`briand`	`sure, why not (and why me?)`
`18:47.05`	`KotCzarny`	`mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/`
`18:47.30`	`henrique`	`Dregs, right! this is what I think too, but what about the last data (most of time being "-1") ?`
`18:47.34`	`Drges`	`henrique, the date/time in unix time format`
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`18:47.43`	`briand`	`oh, how boring.. a 'standard' dyndns addy? didn't like the .is-a-geek.com domain? ;)`
`18:47.59`	`Drges`	`-1 is when you've closed the browser`
`18:48.03`	`Drges`	`I believe`
`18:48.05`	`KotCzarny`	`briand: that was first i go`
`18:48.15`	`KotCzarny`	`and my d-link only supoorted dyndns`
`18:48.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:48.38`	`briand`	`yes, but dyndns allows you to pick a domain other than dyndns...`
`18:48.39`	`KotCzarny`	`and later i was too lazy to change dyndns provider :)`
`18:48.44`	`KotCzarny`	`oh`
`18:48.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:48.52`	`Drges`	`henrique, not "when" you've closed it, but the point in the history list where you did`
`18:48.53`	`KotCzarny`	`but dyndns.org is shorter`
`18:48.58`	`KotCzarny`	`and easier to remember`
`18:48.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:49.01`	`briand`	`well, not me... but my mythtv box`
`18:49.43`	`briand`	`anyway.. ftp? http? what protocol are you running on port 23280 ?`
`18:49.45`	`KotCzarny`	`http`
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`18:50.24`	`briand`	`http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ then...`
`18:50.25`	`henrique`	`Dregs, what does "point" means?`
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`18:50.53`	`Drges`	`henrique, I don't know. It just writes a -1 whenever you close the browser`
`18:50.57`	`KotCzarny`	`i have added 770 mode`
`18:51.44`	`KotCzarny`	`and i will add 810 when i get someone to report adc values`
`18:51.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`18:51.44`	`Drges`	`henrique, there's no real significance unless you want a quick way to sort the history by days`
`18:51.44`	`Drges`	`I suppose`
`18:51.44`	`Drges`	`s/days/when you've closed it/`
`18:54.03`	`briand`	`KotCzarny: is there no call to determine the maximum number of values in the ioctl? ...would probably be better than assuming there were only 15, no? (debug routine)`
`18:54.13`	`lcuk`	`KotCzarny, i just found a site offering a battery status console app (here : http://nitapps.com/ )`
`18:54.15`	`henrique`	`Dregs, yeah, thanks for the infos :)`
`18:54.16`	`KotCzarny`	`debug is for debug`
`18:54.23`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: does it run from cmd line?`
`18:54.28`	`lcuk`	`yes`
`18:54.32`	`lcuk`	`apparantly`
`18:54.36`	`KotCzarny`	`does it NOT depend on dbus?`
`18:54.40`	`lcuk`	`This is a simple command-line tool to display the remaining battery charge of a tablet.`
`18:54.40`	`lcuk`	`[user@nokia ~]$ battery-status`
`18:54.40`	`lcuk`	`[Dec 29 22:57] 97.6%`
`18:54.48`	`lcuk`	`no, this is dbus`
`18:54.53`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, thanks`
`18:54.59`	`lcuk`	`ahhhh: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet.`
`18:55.25`	`lcuk`	`are you getting it by scraping the metal?`
`18:55.39`	`KotCzarny`	`ioctl on /dev/retu`
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`18:55.56`	`lcuk`	`not that there is any harm in that`
`18:55.59`	`lcuk`	`:) cool`
`18:56.03`	`KotCzarny`	`anyway`
`18:56.09`	`KotCzarny`	`i would welcome ane feedback`
`18:56.16`	`briand`	`s/ane/any/`
`18:56.21`	`KotCzarny`	`how well it runs on different nokias`
`18:56.39`	`KotCzarny`	`apparently n810 uses tother field than n800`
`18:57.05`	`KotCzarny`	`i can provide a script to run retu-adc logging over time`
`18:57.08`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`18:58.56`	`briand`	`what happens on the 810, then? provides no result?`
`18:59.11`	`KotCzarny`	`wrong result`
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`18:59.21`	`KotCzarny`	`because it checks wrong field`
`18:59.36`	`KotCzarny`	`on 770 it's #2, on 800 it's #8`
`18:59.58`	`KotCzarny`	`for 810 i have to get debug from someone :)`
`19:00.20`	`briand`	`talk to the general -- he's got 2 of each`
`19:00.29`	`KotCzarny`	`he doesn't like me :)`
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`19:02.08`	`ertwroc`	`hi`
`19:02.15`	`briand`	`I am not!!!`
`19:02.20`	`briand`	`my eyes are always this color.`
`19:02.21`	`briand`	`hmph.`
`19:02.27`	`KotCzarny`	`not?`
`19:02.34`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`19:03.37`	`ertwroc`	`I have problem with n770. When I turn it on the screen is white with vertical gray lines. Any help?`
`19:03.52`	`KotCzarny`	`huh`
`19:04.29`	`KotCzarny`	`have you been hacking it?`
`19:04.35`	`KotCzarny`	`or is it hardware problem?`
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`19:04.46`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb :)`
`19:05.09`	`ertwroc`	`no, but last days it has some resets`
`19:05.13`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: I'm back`
`19:05.30`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb: great, can you help me testing it then? :)`
`19:05.31`	`inz`	`ertwroc, that is a problem many users have run into`
`19:05.48`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: sure, what needs to be done?`
`19:05.52`	`ertwroc`	`inz: is any way to fix it?`
`19:05.57`	`lcuk`	`ertwroc, unfortunately the 770 might have fallen victim to WSOD`
`19:06.08`	`KotCzarny`	`i need you to run my app and report how well it runs`
`19:06.20`	`inz`	`ertwroc, afaik the only way to fix it is to change the display`
`19:06.37`	`ertwroc`	`inz: :/`
`19:06.47`	`inz`	`ertwroc, if your warranty has run out, the cheapest way is probably to buy new one`
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`19:07.45`	`briand`	`good excuse to upgrade to the n800, actually`
`19:07.50`	`ertwroc`	`inz: thanks for help`
`19:07.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`19:08.29`	`briand`	`E_NOCOFFEE`
`19:08.33`	`briand`	`eeks!`
`19:08.35`	`briand`	`brb`
`19:09.18`	`lcuk`	`ertwroc, do a google search for wsod n770 and see whether your fault matches`
`19:13.42`	`briand`	is there an accepted/approved method of removing the maemo development environment (for nearly immediate re-installation of same), or is `rm -rf` within /scratchbox sufficient?
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`19:14.58`	`febb`	`re hi Juhaz.`
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`19:16.25`	`briand`	`anyone?`
`19:17.16`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb: please join #kotc`
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`19:20.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`briand, try / instead . . . just to be sure. :P`
`19:21.13`	`briand`	`umm.. i think not, but thanks.`
`19:21.22`	`KotCzarny`	`ga at it's finest`
`19:21.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`19:24.11`	`briand`	`KotCzarny: perhaps, but he did, at least, provide an answer`
`19:24.31`	`KotCzarny`	`he was commenting on mine answers too`
`19:24.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`19:24.56`	`dragorn`	`briand: make sure you shutdown the sb environment, there should be an init script to do so`
`19:25.10`	`dragorn`	`briand: before rm -r'ing it, or else things will get all sorts of sad with the recursive bind-mounting it does`
`19:25.29`	`dragorn`	`or if not init script, a script inside sb that shuts it down`
`19:25.34`	`dragorn`	`i forget`
`19:25.55`	`dragorn`	`or just reboot and don't log into sb before rm'ing it, if you're willing to reboot`
`19:26.37`	`briand`	`'k... thanks. was just wondering if there was stuff outside of the /scratchbox area. i've already shut down the sb env`
`19:26.38`	`lcuk`	`quickest way to reinstall scratchbox for me is to re-extract the vmware image ;)`
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`19:27.27`	`briand`	`dragorn: are you, by chance, the same dragorn that at one time created alternative .ko sources for the orinoco wireless card?`
`19:27.39`	`dragorn`	`yeah`
`19:27.50`	`briand`	`cool. nice to meet ya.`
`19:27.57`	`dragorn`	`and if theres a better way to remove sb than shutdown and rm -r, I don't know it`
`19:28.10`	`dragorn`	`that was a horrible misadventure, that freaking orinoco stuff. I gave up, eventually.`
`19:28.40`	`briand`	`won't compile on my FC8 box, under 2.6.23.15 kernel.`
`19:28.57`	`dragorn`	`doesn't surprise me in the least`
`19:29.12`	`dragorn`	`everything the kernel is totally different now`
`19:29.13`	`briand`	`:nod: and it looks like those that took it up followed through until about 2.6.21 .. perhaps I'll just wait a bit.`
`19:29.41`	`dragorn`	`honestly I don't even know where my orinoco is`
`19:29.45`	`febb`	`hi... anyone knows how to solve a "can't read superblock" error when unpacking a 770 firmware image and mounting the rootfs on a loop device. ?`
`19:30.04`	`febb`	`any hint is appreciated.. thx.`
`19:30.13`	`briand`	`i know where mine is... but i was hoping to do some kismet with it.. perhaps another time. not a pressing issue, to be sure`
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`19:30.31`	`dragorn`	`briand: I'm much more interested in the mac80211 softmac layer`
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`19:31.09`	`dragorn`	`still trying to fix the kismet startup reliability issues on the nokia before doing a package, it's working maybe three in every five launches`
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`19:31.18`	`briand`	`...which may be what's preventing the compile here...`
`19:31.24`	`briand`	`dragorn: cool. :)`
`19:32.13`	`ynezz`	`dragorn: hm, here it runs fine`
`19:32.20`	`briand`	`I fixed up the includes to point to the correct headers (linux/autoconf.h instead of linux/config.h, etc) .. but now it complains during compilet that 'mac' is not a member of sk_buff`
`19:32.50`	`dragorn`	`ynezz: sometimes it does. every time I think it's nailed down to running properly, the next time I fire things up it craps the bed and the NIC drops dead a few seconds in`
`19:33.01`	`briand`	`but, again, not an urgent thing here... let me get the maemo env re-installed on my other machine..`
`19:33.08`	`briand`	`dragorn: thanks, again, for your help. :)`
`19:33.30`	`ynezz`	`dragorn: I just manually do ifconfig/ifconfig before and after running kismet`
`19:33.31`	`dragorn`	`and the only way I've found to get it even slightly consistent is to nuke wlancond and the power control, which means you have to reboot after running or else your battery tanks`
`19:33.46`	`dragorn`	`ynezz: yeah, that's all kismet does internally. Isn't reliable on any device I've got.`
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`19:34.05`	`dragorn`	`ynezz: all it's doing is issuing the ioctls to set the interface mode, same as iwconfig and ifconfig`
`19:34.34`	`dragorn`	`ynezz: but either powersave or wlancond likes to take away the interface at some point and then it just stops getting packets w/ no error condition`
`19:35.07`	`briand`	`easy enough to test, isn't it? you can turn the wlan polling to 'never'`
`19:35.24`	`briand`	`...and, likewise, crank up the powersave timeout`
`19:35.28`	`dragorn`	`briand: yeah, doesn't help. Effectively the same as killing wlancond`
`19:35.48`	`dragorn`	`powersave is relatively undocumented, and snapshotting the iw power state and restoring it, doesn't restore it`
`19:36.06`	`dragorn`	`which will kill a fully charged device in about 2 hours, idle`
`19:36.13`	`briand`	`ouch`
`19:36.25`	`dragorn`	`so theres some non-iw power control going on in there, too`
`19:36.57`	`briand`	`...or, maybe it's just cranked up to 100 mW the whole time?`
`19:37.00`	`dragorn`	`killing wlancond is a sledgehammer approach, but prevents the whole reconnection/some other app trying to take over wireless`
`19:37.14`	`dragorn`	`shouldn't matter if it is, if it isn't sending any data`
`19:38.54`	`dragorn`	`whatever kills it doesn't change mode, it just stops getting packets anymore. Amusingly, this is exactly the same problem with the new orinoco drivers, but totally unrelated`
`19:39.31`	`briand`	`it's a self-inflicted DoS attack! ;)`
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`19:45.59`	`ynezz`	`dragorn: how long does it take when kismet stops receiving packets? I tried to run/stop it three times and it still works`
`19:46.10`	`dragorn`	`2-5 minutes`
`19:46.15`	`dragorn`	`or just use tcpdump`
`19:46.17`	`dragorn`	`same problem there`
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`19:47.25`	`ynezz`	`hm strange, I was running airmon-ng for about 6 hours and no problem`
`19:49.02`	`smackpotato`	`is therfe any way to view bloomberg video`
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`19:50.27`	`pupnik`	`is there some magic to save a snapshot of a running program to flash and then resume it later?`
`19:50.40`	`dragorn`	`ynezz: when it works, it works. Problem is, it doesn't all the time.`
`19:50.48`	`dragorn`	`pupnik: not that I know of`
`19:52.51`	`pupnik`	`"Application State-saving and Auto-save" http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html`
`19:52.52`	`script`	`pupnik: sure, there are some magic process freezers for linux`
`19:53.03`	`script`	`take http://cryopid.berlios.de/ e.g.`
`19:53.12`	`pupnik`	`ty script`
`19:53.42`	`script`	`but this is _serious_ stuff ;)`
`19:55.48`	`pupnik`	`yeah script ... i'd like saving state for dosbox...`
`19:57.08`	`dragorn`	`yeah I was going to say there is some freeze/restore stuff, but nothing commoditized`
`19:57.17`	`dragorn`	`i'd say you'd need to patch dosbox then to freeze emulation state`
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`19:57.23`	`dragorn`	`saner than trying to freeze linux state`
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`19:58.11`	`script`	`yeah .. i just succesfully freezed "top" (on x86 though)`
`19:58.20`	`script`	`and replicated it a few times ... ;)`
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`19:59.23`	`script`	`well .. freezing dosbox.bin didn't succeed ..`
`19:59.47`	`pupnik`	`how about minimizing the window before freezing?`
`20:00.02`	`script`	`X-programs seem to have problems`
`20:00.22`	`pupnik`	`mmk`
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`20:09.30`	`pH5`	`pupnik: fmopl.c compiles for the dsp with minimal changes.`
`20:09.36`	`pH5`	`Setting up a dsptask shouldn't be too hard, I guess.`
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`20:10.37`	`pupnik`	`pH5 maybe there's a minimal adlib player program that can be used to do the development`
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`20:11.00`	`pupnik`	`then integration into scummvm, freesci, dosbox, exult, etc can be done by others`
`20:11.03`	`pH5`	`pupnik: yes, right now I'm trying to modify libadplug + adplay`
`20:11.13`	`pupnik`	`way cool`
`20:14.11`	`jaska_`	`heh, exult, original u7 was lower res than the tablet display :)`
`20:14.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Lots of old games are lower res than the tablet display. :P`
`20:14.54`	`jaska_`	`true`
`20:15.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Heck, the Nintendo 64 is lower resolution than the tablet display. :P`
`20:15.25`	`yabbas`	`Is there anyway I can sneak a few files into dpkg-buildpackage, say maemo icons, etc that aren't part fo the build process?`
`20:15.56`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`20:16.25`	`yabbas`	`Excellent, that answers the first part of the question. Now how would I go about doing that? :)`
`20:17.07`	`KotCzarny`	`let me look at examples :)`
`20:17.19`	`yabbas`	`sankyou`
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`20:18.37`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`20:18.57`	`KotCzarny`	`i guess apt-get source busybox will answer your question`
`20:19.06`	`KotCzarny`	`and looking in debian/`
`20:19.12`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`20:20.40`	`KotCzarny`	`in debian/rules there is:`
`20:20.43`	`KotCzarny`	`binary-arch: install`
`20:20.47`	`KotCzarny`	`(...)`
`20:20.55`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:21.13`	`KotCzarny`	`which probably adds debian/local/tempfile to package`
`20:21.30`	`KotCzarny`	`but that's my guess`
`20:21.42`	`KotCzarny`	`i'm a slackware man anyway :)`
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`20:25.28`	`hoopy`	`does slackware have a package management system yet?`
`20:25.41`	`KotCzarny`	`it always had`
`20:27.58`	`hoopy`	`well it doesn't deal with dependencies does it?`
`20:28.16`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`20:31.20`	`hoopy`	`i wouldn't really call what it has a package management system`
`20:31.30`	`hoopy`	`it's really just a bunch of app archives`
`20:32.00`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, but it never failed on me`
`20:32.19`	`KotCzarny`	`simple and effective`
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`20:50.45`	`EvilGuru`	`Can anyone explain user management to me? Am I correct in assuming that the default user has no password and is functionality equiv to root?`
`20:51.00`	`KotCzarny`	`no`
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`20:52.48`	`EvilGuru`	`KotCzarny: How does it work?`
`20:53.17`	`\|\|cw`	`EvilGuru: sudo is used heavily`
`20:53.42`	`Tama^2`	`hello`
`20:53.46`	`EvilGuru`	`I have installed some apps etc, but never been asked for a password`
`20:54.03`	`Juhaz`	`the application installer is suid`
`20:54.03`	`EvilGuru`	`I was expecting when I configured it to be asked for a password, but can not remember choosing none`
`20:54.09`	`Juhaz`	`or sudoed without password`
`20:55.53`	`yabbas`	`right I give up :(`
`20:55.53`	`EvilGuru`	`On user/personal info, I do not recall entering my name, how does it know it/`
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`20:57.25`	`pupnik`	`yabbas: ar x .deb to extract files from a .deb archive and ar q .deb file1 file2 to add files to a .deb archive`
`20:57.28`	`yabbas`	`on top of it all - I can't seem to install tetex-bin on the N810 through apt-get; yet it installs fine under scratchbox`
`20:57.39`	`leif__`	`hey konttori, have you seen how we did icons in the 2008 LCARS themes? Turns out they are themeable after all!`
`20:58.42`	`yabbas`	`pupnik, thanks for that, I'll try once more. _ideally_ I wanted to learn how to tweak the makefiles to add it using dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage`
`20:59.01`	`pupnik`	`yeah well if you ever write a howto on that let me know`
`20:59.04`	`leif__`	`just set gtk-icon-theme-name = "foo" in the gtkrc, and icons in /usr/share/icons/foo will override the hicolor set`
`20:59.09`	`yabbas`	`pupnik, "lol"`
`20:59.24`	`yabbas`	`so it's not just me then`
`21:00.24`	`pupnik`	`i'm just too stupid and tired to absorb all that info, but i can remember "ar x" and "ar q"`
`21:04.43`	`inz`	`pupnik, the files inside a .deb "ar" archive should be data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz, so adding files is not quite that easy`
`21:05.47`	`pupnik`	`i already knew 'tar'`
`21:06.57`	`inz`	`pupnink, sure, but "adding files" to a .deb archive isn't quite as simple as using ar`
`21:07.22`	`inz`	`pupnik, well, sure ar q does add files to the archive, but they're not installed when the package is installed`
`21:08.07`	`pupnik`	`ok thanks for the correction - lazy typing here`
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`21:10.56`	`zetheroo`	`I have successfully paired my bluetooth headset on my N800 ... but now what?`
`21:11.05`	`zetheroo`	`can I skype with it?`
`21:11.32`	`zetheroo`	`seems that its pretty useless....!?`
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`21:12.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`?`
`21:12.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You use it as a headset.`
`21:13.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Whatever situation you might find a headset useful in, that's where you use it. . . .`
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`21:16.42`	`Jaffa`	`re`
`21:18.42`	`lcuk`	`pupnik - im havin a great time reading "the unix haters handbook" at the moment, im finding all sorts of things relivant to my experiences with linux and maemo. might be worth a read yourself (and others) its pdf and free http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html`
`21:18.52`	`zetheroo`	`GeneralAntilles: well I would find it useful if any of the programs ont he device could actually utilize it`
`21:18.58`	`zetheroo`	`like Skype`
`21:19.02`	`zetheroo`	`or the media player`
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`21:19.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Uh, they can. . . .`
`21:19.21`	`lcuk`	`does mediaplayer not send data to the headset?`
`21:19.37`	`lcuk`	`i dunno about skype because i gave up when i had no video`
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`21:20.12`	`zetheroo`	`GeneralAntilles: how?`
`21:20.57`	`derf`	`Why does that book look like just a lot of propaganda?`
`21:21.36`	`lcuk`	`because it probably is - but its not meant to be serious - if you get as far as the foreward i think the guy says it started way before he got to MS`
`21:21.38`	`KotCzarny`	`derf: don't take it seriously :)`
`21:21.48`	`derf`	`Okay, good.`
`21:21.52`	`lcuk`	`but, im actually learning lots about the system - essentially seeing what not to do`
`21:21.59`	`KotCzarny`	`there are valid points in it`
`21:22.02`	`derf`	`Because I don't think Microsoft gets to complain about security or file system corruption.`
`21:22.16`	`KotCzarny`	`though`
`21:22.17`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:22.17`	`derf`	`lcuk: I got as far as the table of contents.`
`21:22.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`zetheroo, it just works here.`
`21:22.34`	`lcuk`	`no, im learning about how unprotected the command line is - and understanding why its right to be though`
`21:22.50`	`KotCzarny`	`tough?`
`21:22.52`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:23.04`	`jaska_`	`unix sucks, unfortunately everything ive come across sucks more :)`
`21:23.17`	`\|\|cw`	`all software sucks`
`21:23.21`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`21:23.24`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:23.26`	`zetheroo`	`GeneralAntilles: do you have to switch sound devices anywhere?`
`21:23.40`	`KotCzarny`	`for lazy people like me software is usefull`
`21:23.45`	`derf`	`I'm amused they think that a movie and popcorn can be had for $10.`
`21:23.51`	`lcuk`	`i still havent attempted to delete anything from the command line yet`
`21:24.01`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: get mc`
`21:24.02`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:24.09`	`\|\|cw`	`something can suck and still be more useful than doing without`
`21:24.10`	`lcuk`	`when i need to do major pruning and reorganising i use the windows scp client :$`
`21:24.35`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: have you ever used/liked nc/total commander ?`
`21:24.39`	`lcuk`	`i feel safer and understand the gui better than i ever will the cmd line`
`21:24.49`	`\|\|cw`	`derf: maybe if you rent one and get microwave popcorn`
`21:24.57`	`lcuk`	`if i remember its a dual pane view - like directory opus was on the amiga`
`21:25.01`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`21:25.17`	`KotCzarny`	`invaluable tool`
`21:25.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:25.27`	`derf`	`\|\|cw: Maybe, though probably not for much longer.`
`21:25.47`	`lcuk`	`i adored dopus but nowadays prefer the c&p tree - i can open as many trees as i want and arrange them how i need - sometimes its side by side - others its just overlapped`
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`21:29.48`	`lcuk`	`i know this is wrong channel, but increasing the memory clock from DDR333 to DDR400 (the memory/mobo supports it, its been underclocked all this time) will have quite a large effect won't it?`
`21:30.06`	`KotCzarny`	`about 20%`
`21:30.08`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:30.47`	`lcuk`	`good enough - its the missuses machine ive just overhauled it after her sims started crashing and noticed it was under :) that will earn me brownie points`
`21:30.49`	`KotCzarny`	`but do a burn-in test to be sure`
`21:31.36`	`KotCzarny`	`memtest86 is a nice test`
`21:31.46`	`lcuk`	`i know the mem can handle it - i bought it all at same time and somewhere along the way the bios has clocked itself back down because when i had it up here it was at fullspd`
`21:32.02`	`lcuk`	`no need - sims is a bigger test`
`21:32.04`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: but you have to check how the whole system behaves`
`21:32.11`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`21:33.11`	`lcuk`	`as i said it used to be fine - machine just got clogged up in the last couple of weeks we had a major dust storm and all machines in the house ended up with clogged fans`
`21:33.22`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`21:33.39`	`yabbas`	`It's not as easy as packaging it all up manually :( http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/07/15/manually-creating-a-deb-package-for-maemo/`
`21:33.44`	`lcuk`	`dust storm = 1 small child with a family sized bucket of talc`
`21:33.58`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: how does nokia handled it?`
`21:34.05`	`KotCzarny`	`or it was in another place :)`
`21:34.27`	`lcuk`	`that doesnt have fans and that is covered by the apple kb when not in use`
`21:34.48`	`lcuk`	`all jake could say was "look dad, its snowing"`
`21:35.02`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:35.31`	`KotCzarny`	`kids are terrifying sometimes`
`21:35.50`	`KotCzarny`	`mom, mom, look what i've found :>`
`21:35.54`	`lcuk`	`kids are terrific all the time :) (apart from when they aren't) ;)`
`21:36.45`	`lcuk`	`hes great, he brings us worms and bugs from the garden - missus freaks but i tell him what it is :D`
`21:37.14`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah..`
`21:37.31`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`21:38.33`	`KotCzarny`	`hi spirytusik`
`21:39.19`	`spirytusick`	`yo!`
`21:39.28`	`KotCzarny`	`which nokia do you own?`
`21:39.35`	`KotCzarny`	`i need someone with 810`
`21:39.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:39.40`	`spirytusick`	`n800`
`21:40.01`	`spirytusick`	`but i can write additional 10 on it :)`
`21:40.32`	`spirytusick`	`KotCzarny: What are you testing ?`
`21:40.47`	`KotCzarny`	`my battery checker tool`
`21:40.49`	`KotCzarny`	`works fine for 800`
`21:40.59`	`KotCzarny`	`but i need testing it on 770 and 810`
`21:42.11`	`spirytusick`	`:( sorry cannot help`
`21:42.16`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:42.18`	`EvilGuru`	`On my local network, to which my 810 is connected and on the network there is a DNS server. On my other systems I can type ping foo but on my 810 I need to type ping foo.intra (intra is my domain)`
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`21:43.45`	`KotCzarny`	`evilguru: add search to /etc/hosts`
`21:43.53`	`KotCzarny`	`search intra`
`21:44.02`	`KotCzarny`	`to be exact`
`21:44.04`	`EvilGuru`	`Not /etc/resolv.conf`
`21:44.05`	`KotCzarny`	`erm`
`21:44.07`	`KotCzarny`	`yeah`
`21:44.10`	`KotCzarny`	`my mistake`
`21:44.15`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.21`	`EvilGuru`	`that is where I do it for some of my Linux systems (some just find it)`
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`21:45.45`	`fysa`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPm3wk3FjxU`
`21:45.58`	`KotCzarny`	`fysa: do you own 810?`
`21:46.07`	`fysa`	`nope, 800, sorry.`
`21:46.10`	`KotCzarny`	`uhum`
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`21:51.17`	`pupnik`	`you might be interested in Rick Falkvinge's speech at Google: "Copyright regime vs. Civil Liberties" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479`
`21:57.35`	`KotCzarny`	`http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4179`
`21:57.36`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`21:57.43`	`lcdd`	`pupnik: it's good. especially the "we get to play 'who wants to be prime minister'" part`
`21:58.26`	`fysa`	`http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/wfchannel/index.php?pagenum=6`
`21:58.43`	`fysa`	`live stream of someone talking about that Gigabyte MID in comparison to the N810`
`21:59.15`	`KotCzarny`	`and this one in the context of mobile guis: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4178`
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`22:09.41`	`EvilGuru`	`I also have openssh server on my n810 but it is very 'laggy' when I connect to it over LAN`
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`22:10.53`	`KotCzarny`	`evilguru: lower your wifi powersaving`
`22:11.17`	`EvilGuru`	`Did not know it took effect on dc power`
`22:12.08`	`spirytusick`	`good night guys...`
`22:12.16`	`KotCzarny`	`on my laptop powersaving kicks in even on dc power`
`22:12.25`	`KotCzarny`	`night spirytusik`
`22:15.23`	`EvilGuru`	`KotCzarny: Worked a treat`
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`22:15.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:15.42`	`KotCzarny`	`eg: you have 810, right?`
`22:16.39`	`EvilGuru`	`Yep`
`22:16.46`	`EvilGuru`	`Couldn't be happier`
`22:16.52`	`KotCzarny`	`would you like to help me with my app?`
`22:17.08`	`EvilGuru`	`What are you developing`
`22:17.19`	`KotCzarny`	`battery charge meter`
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`22:18.01`	`EvilGuru`	`Just trying to think if the tray menu item shows battery charge or not`
`22:18.14`	`KotCzarny`	`cmd line one`
`22:18.34`	`EvilGuru`	`Still need to play around with the dev tools`
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`22:19.26`	`EvilGuru`	`I am a developer of Warzone 2100 though (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16502 )`
`22:19.41`	Redline`	`that gigabyte MID is huge.`
`22:21.02`	`EvilGuru`	`Pity that we pulled the software renderer (OpenGL only now)`
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`22:29.48`	`briand`	`oh, nice! the mailman delivered my (3x) 2GB SD cards from woot! today.. time to start loadin' em up!`
`22:30.03`	`KotCzarny`	`2?`
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`22:30.18`	`KotCzarny`	`wasn't it better to order 4gb and 2gb?`
`22:30.20`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:30.35`	`briand`	`they were $6 each`
`22:30.41`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`22:30.56`	`briand`	`and, woot only offers one product per day... that day, 2GB was the product`
`22:31.00`	`KotCzarny`	`8gb cost 32$`
`22:31.54`	`KotCzarny`	`35$ with shipping on jewegg`
`22:31.55`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:32.46`	`KotCzarny`	`but for a testing that was a nice deal`
`22:32.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:33.20`	`cLin`	`crud, i changed skins for internettablettalk to mobile 2 and now the option to change skins isn't there anymore`
`22:33.40`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: kill cookies?`
`22:33.55`	`cLin`	`but when i login, it'll just go back to the mobile 2 skin`
`22:34.27`	`cLin`	`ugh`
`22:34.48`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:34.49`	`EvilGuru`	`Might be able to manually change the appropriate database row/record`
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`22:35.02`	`cLin`	`huh? how`
`22:35.15`	`cLin`	`nm, got it`
`22:35.21`	`cLin`	`switched back for some reason`
`22:36.00`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: do you own 810?`
`22:36.05`	`cLin`	`no, 800`
`22:36.06`	`cLin`	`why?`
`22:36.10`	`cLin`	`and does anyone use mediaserv?`
`22:36.14`	`KotCzarny`	`i need 810 to test something`
`22:36.29`	`cLin`	`whatcha making`
`22:36.29`	`KotCzarny`	`mediaserv is the backend for playing media`
`22:36.47`	`cLin`	`yea i know, i'd like to make it so i can stream videos from mylaptop tomy n800`
`22:36.51`	`KotCzarny`	`battery level tool`
`22:37.01`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: mplayer and netcat`
`22:37.02`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`22:37.07`	`cLin`	`netcat?`
`22:37.11`	`KotCzarny`	`or simply mplayer and a script`
`22:37.32`	`cLin`	`are there any easily available?`
`22:37.42`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't know`
`22:37.46`	`KotCzarny`	`i usually hack one myself`
`22:37.47`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:37.48`	`cLin`	`whats netcat?`
`22:37.50`	`cLin`	`oh`
`22:37.54`	`zetheroo`	`so I again got the bluetooth headset paired again... and still nothing with Skype`
`22:37.54`	`cLin`	`well i dont have thatluxury`
`22:37.56`	`KotCzarny`	`that's why love cmd line`
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`22:38.13`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: how do you stream from lappy?`
`22:38.28`	`cLin`	`thats what i want to know`
`22:38.29`	`cLin`	`haha`
`22:38.31`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`22:38.43`	`cLin`	`i want to be able to stream from lappu -> n800`
`22:38.48`	`KotCzarny`	`so you simply want to watch files from laptop?`
`22:38.54`	`cLin`	`and i heard mediaserv can help`
`22:38.55`	`EvilGuru`	`the netcat idea seems reasonable`
`22:39.22`	`KotCzarny`	`clin, install sshfs and just mount laptop fs on nokia :)`
`22:39.31`	`KotCzarny`	`and play the files as if they were local`
`22:39.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:39.34`	`EvilGuru`	`assuming your laptop runs Linux`
`22:39.47`	`KotCzarny`	`eg: there's openssh for cygwin too`
`22:39.54`	`EvilGuru`	`(FUSE might work on OS X/FreeBSD, am yet to try)`
`22:40.10`	`cLin`	`sshfs?`
`22:40.20`	`cLin`	`whats with all these acronyms >(`
`22:40.31`	`febb`	`hi...has anyone expanded and mounted an Internet Tablet firmware on a local PC disc ?`
`22:40.32`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: yes, like scp but available as a regular directory`
`22:40.35`	`cLin`	`oh`
`22:40.44`	`KotCzarny`	`ssh file system`
`22:40.48`	`EvilGuru`	`cLin: VLC is quite nice too (it has streaming options)`
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`22:40.55`	`cLin`	`vlc for n800?`
`22:41.00`	`EvilGuru`	`For your laptop`
`22:41.01`	`cLin`	`does it work for os2008?`
`22:41.02`	`cLin`	`oh`
`22:41.08`	`cLin`	`lets see...`
`22:41.13`	`EvilGuru`	`It can either broadcast or recv`
`22:41.17`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: you can post the information about your battery checker tool on maemo-developers list, also AFAIK pupnik has n810 :)`
`22:41.23`	`cLin`	`cause i prefer not having it run in two places. otherwise, i canprobably watch on laptop`
`22:41.35`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb: i would have to sign up to it i guess..`
`22:41.38`	`EvilGuru`	`I am sure good old mplayer will happily accept the stream produced by VLC`
`22:41.55`	`cLin`	`ok, let's try`
`22:42.07`	`zetheroo`	`bluetooth headset is not working for me`
`22:42.16`	`cLin`	`ill try the sshfs`
`22:42.31`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: there are package for it i belive available`
`22:42.36`	`cLin`	`sshfs?`
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`22:42.38`	`KotCzarny`	`though i have compiled one myself`
`22:42.40`	`KotCzarny`	`for me`
`22:42.52`	`pupnik`	`Wooooh-- looka like duke-a nukem!`
`22:42.54`	`KotCzarny`	`you will need fuse module and sshfs package`
`22:43.17`	`EvilGuru`	`Also, does the internal USB port supply enough juice to power a USB flash stick?`
`22:43.27`	`KotCzarny`	`eg: 200mA`
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`22:43.37`	`cLin`	`would it be able to stream fast enough?`
`22:43.41`	`KotCzarny`	`but i think not more than 100mA`
`22:43.45`	`cLin`	`im assuming its just opening the file through the wireless connection`
`22:43.58`	`EvilGuru`	`cLin: Indeed`
`22:44.10`	`EvilGuru`	`The decryption might have a negative impact on performance, however`
`22:44.10`	`cLin`	`hrm`
`22:44.25`	`cLin`	`lets take a look see...`
`22:44.26`	`KotCzarny`	`eg: compression can be turned off`
`22:44.28`	`KotCzarny`	`i believe`
`22:44.39`	`EvilGuru`	`KotCzarny: I did not know it compressed by default`
`22:44.47`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't know too`
`22:44.55`	`EvilGuru`	`I know -C turns it on`
`22:45.02`	`KotCzarny`	`possibly`
`22:45.26`	`EvilGuru`	`(ssh -YC foo@bar.com used to be one of my most often run commands until a few months ago)`
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`22:45.56`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:46.02`	`KotCzarny`	`pupnik: hi`
`22:46.12`	`pupnik`	`woooh!`
`22:46.23`	`cLin`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9372&highlight=sshfs`
`22:46.26`	`cLin`	`will that work?`
`22:46.30`	`KotCzarny`	`pupnik: can you test something for me? :)`
`22:46.31`	`cLin`	`fuseport and automount?`
`22:46.43`	`KotCzarny`	`nah, automount sucks`
`22:46.50`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: wlan driver is still heavy for cpu even without encryption (albeit it is better in n8x0 than in 770)`
`22:46.52`	`cLin`	`oh`
`22:47.03`	`cLin`	`goddamn, itt has nothing good`
`22:47.05`	`KotCzarny`	`but can work if you set up the keys`
`22:47.45`	`KotCzarny`	`ssvb: reading from mmc eats cpu too..`
`22:47.47`	`KotCzarny`	`i think`
`22:48.31`	`cLin`	`where can i find sshfs for maemo`
`22:48.37`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: well, it should be easy to benchmark overhead`
`22:48.56`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: i remember only seeing the package available`
`22:49.17`	`KotCzarny`	`probably fuseport is the one`
`22:50.02`	`cLin`	`http://pupnik.de/shfs-utils_0.35-6.2_armel.deb hey pupkin, whats that?`
`22:50.20`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: if you don't mind stranger's binaries i can prepare you a .tar.gz`
`22:50.23`	`KotCzarny`	`you can use`
`22:50.26`	`cLin`	`i dont mind`
`22:50.29`	`KotCzarny`	`(assuming you have 2008)`
`22:50.32`	`cLin`	`i do`
`22:50.35`	`cLin`	`n800 os2008`
`22:50.41`	`KotCzarny`	`ok, just a moment then`
`22:50.42`	`cLin`	`i have nothing sensitive`
`22:50.46`	`EvilGuru`	`It is getting late here, I best be off. Thanks for all of your help :)`
`22:50.47`	`cLin`	`haha`
`22:53.54`	`leif__`	`konttori, are you awake?`
`22:54.35`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/fuse_sshfs.tar.gz`
`22:54.41`	`cLin`	`ok`
`22:54.42`	`KotCzarny`	`unpack to /`
`22:55.02`	`cLin`	`what was it again? gzip -something filename`
`22:55.45`	`KotCzarny`	`tar -xzpf`
`22:55.45`	`cLin`	`or that`
`22:55.45`	`briand`	it's `tar xvfz <filename.tar.gz>`
`22:55.45`	`cLin`	`why is your sdifferent`
`22:55.53`	`KotCzarny`	`doesn't matter much`
`22:55.57`	`briand`	`it's cuz I'm older.`
`22:56.01`	`KotCzarny`	`-v just spams screen with files`
`22:56.05`	`cLin`	`lol`
`22:56.11`	`KotCzarny`	`and -p is 'preserve'`
`22:56.47`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: you need to add /usr/local/lib to your /etc/ld.so.conf`
`22:56.51`	`KotCzarny`	`and run: ldconfig`
`22:57.08`	`KotCzarny`	`that will allow os to find fuselib in /usr/local`
`22:57.32`	`KotCzarny`	`next step is: insmod /usr/local/lib/modules/fuse.ko`
`22:57.35`	`cLin`	`when i use tar, is it supposr to tellme if it uncompressed it?`
`22:57.47`	`KotCzarny`	`if you used -v then yes`
`22:57.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:57.50`	`briand`	`it would if you specified -v`
`22:57.51`	`briand`	`;)`
`22:57.53`	`cLin`	`oh`
`22:58.01`	`cLin`	`i used yours kotc`
`22:58.05`	`cLin`	`so i guess it did it..`
`22:58.06`	`KotCzarny`	`otherwise if it doesn't tell you anything that means 'no errors'`
`22:58.37`	`cLin`	`ok`
`22:58.40`	`ssvb`	`KotCzarny: mmc is very fast (~5MB/s on 770) and does not load cpu (16% of cpu usage doing cp to /dev/null), that's a lot better than wlan`
`22:58.41`	`cLin`	`ok, so i did that`
`22:59.08`	`cLin`	`now i need to add /usr/local/lib to my ld.so.conf?`
`22:59.09`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: now try: sshfs laptop_ip:/ /mnt/somedir`
`22:59.17`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`22:59.21`	`cLin`	`how do i do that`
`22:59.45`	`KotCzarny`	`echo >> /etc/ld.so.conf /usr/local/lib`
`22:59.46`	`cLin`	`nm`
`22:59.49`	`zetheroo`	`for some reason when I pair the headset the sound icon does not turn into a headset icon???`
`23:00.15`	`cLin`	`awesome`
`23:00.35`	`cLin`	`i jsut ran ldconfig...`
`23:00.43`	`KotCzarny`	`shouldn't report any errors`
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`23:00.47`	`cLin`	`didn't output anything and it's back at the line`
`23:00.48`	`cLin`	`yea`
`23:00.57`	`KotCzarny`	`now load fuse.ko`
`23:01.03`	`cLin`	`wher`
`23:01.08`	`cLin`	`where is that located`
`23:01.15`	`KotCzarny`	`insmod /usr/local/lib/modules/fuse.ko`
`23:01.23`	`cLin`	`what is insmod?`
`23:01.32`	`briand`	`'insert module'`
`23:01.35`	`KotCzarny`	`tool to load kernel modules`
`23:01.37`	`cLin`	`ok`
`23:01.47`	`cLin`	`done`
`23:01.50`	`cLin`	`no errors`
`23:01.58`	`briand`	`now try the mount`
`23:02.01`	`KotCzarny`	`now, do you have sshd server on your laptop?`
`23:02.11`	`KotCzarny`	`or anywhere else?`
`23:02.20`	`cLin`	`dont think so`
`23:02.26`	`KotCzarny`	`linux or windows?`
`23:02.29`	`zetheroo`	`anyone?`
`23:02.29`	`cLin`	`windows`
`23:02.45`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`23:03.00`	`KotCzarny`	`you will have to install one, or any scp compatible server`
`23:03.04`	`cLin`	`ok`
`23:03.12`	`briand`	`zetheroo: is it supposed to? I don't know... don't have a bt headset. main question is, does it work?`
`23:03.41`	`zetheroo`	`briand: it pairs and I have used it before on a BT cell phone`
`23:04.00`	`cLin`	`is sshd server basically openssh server for maemo`
`23:04.19`	`briand`	`zetheroo: yes, you've already indicated that it paired up. does it work? (ie: run something that outputs sound, and see what you get)`
`23:04.20`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, but you want your laptop to serve files, not your nokia`
`23:04.32`	`cLin`	`ok, just trying to figure out what im lookig for`
`23:04.46`	`cLin`	`i found a openssh for windows on sourceforge`
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`23:05.03`	`zetheroo`	`briand: no ... it does not do anything`
`23:05.23`	`zetheroo`	`briand: the sound icon is supposed to change to a headset... but it doesn't`
`23:05.42`	`briand`	`hmm. i wonder if the bt in my tomtom will pair up with the bt in the n800 and provide gps...`
`23:05.52`	`leif__`	`has anyone here tried poky 3.1 on 770 or N800 yet?`
`23:06.23`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: you can also try cifs to mount windows 'network shares'`
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`23:07.01`	`johnx_`	`leif__, is that new?`
`23:07.08`	`cLin`	`which is easier/less prone to stupid mistakes`
`23:07.09`	`leif__`	`yeah`
`23:07.13`	`leif__`	`http://pokylinux.org/blog/`
`23:07.22`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: i wouldn't say that`
`23:07.32`	`KotCzarny`	`i don't have good memories about m$ network`
`23:07.33`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`23:07.36`	`johnx_`	`I wonder what they have working...`
`23:07.36`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:08.29`	`KotCzarny`	`and when vista came it got even worse`
`23:08.30`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`23:08.40`	`KotCzarny`	`but it was doable`
`23:09.04`	`cLin`	`ook, i just installed openssh and added my username to passwd file`
`23:09.22`	`KotCzarny`	`try to ssh to it to confirm it's working`
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`23:10.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Booting it now, leif__.`
`23:11.06`	`leif__`	`on which device?`
`23:11.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`N800`
`23:11.21`	`cLin`	`connection refused. let's see whats wrong`
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`23:12.06`	`johnx_`	`Go, guinea pig, go! :D`
`23:12.18`	`briand`	`haha`
`23:12.26`	`Jaffa`	`:)`
`23:12.49`	`Jaffa`	`I like the bit of the changelog which says "Much improved support [...] Nokia internet tablets". Improved in what way?! ;;;;;;;;-)`
`23:13.20`	`KotCzarny`	`in a much way`
`23:13.40`	`KotCzarny`	`moocho improvediando`
`23:13.42`	`johnx_`	`and what software versions are they using?...ok fine I'll flash it...`
`23:13.49`	`leif__`	`Jaffa, yeah I also appreciated the lack of specifics there... it's an ADVENTURE !`
`23:13.56`	`Jaffa`	`heh`
`23:14.01`	`johnx_`	`but now I'm really curious...`
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`23:14.32`	`cLin`	`how do i set the password?`
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`23:14.48`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: maybe it's your windows pass?`
`23:14.51`	`johnx_`	`on your tablet or desktop?`
`23:14.56`	`cLin`	`doesnt seem like it`
`23:14.59`	`cLin`	`desktop`
`23:15.05`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe you need to synchronize them?`
`23:15.11`	`johnx_`	`which ssh server are you using?`
`23:15.31`	`cLin`	`opensshd for winddows`
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`23:16.59`	`briand`	`did you have a password on your windows machine before?`
`23:17.10`	`cLin`	`no, i just set one`
`23:17.14`	`lcuk`	`ok, this cpu throttling is seriously pissing me off. is there any api in code that i can call to tell the system i would like my thread to run at fullspeed?`
`23:17.26`	`cLin`	`im usually logged in as admin so i put administrator for username and my usualpw`
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`23:18.33`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: cpufreq`
`23:18.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:18.47`	`KotCzarny`	`it's as simple as echo`
`23:19.07`	`lcuk`	`no, if the program closes dirty the system will be left in an unfit state - there must be something i can do at the thread/process level to indicate priority`
`23:19.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Still no easy way to activate vkb as far as I can tell.`
`23:19.08`	`briand`	`lcuk: nice -20 ?`
`23:20.12`	`briand`	`GeneralAntilles: saw that pic... i'd say you've gone too far, once your keyboard is five times the size of your cpu and screen combined!`
`23:20.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It actually works really nicely.`
`23:20.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Quite convenient.`
`23:20.36`	`lcuk`	`lemme see ant`
`23:20.42`	`briand`	`I'll bet. I planned on doing the same thing while @ home with mine..`
`23:20.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mostly it was just a joke when I toke the picture, then it turned out OK. <_<`
`23:20.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg`
`23:21.01`	`lcuk`	`in my head it sounds like my cradle + wireless apple kb strung together`
`23:21.11`	`briand`	`now, i just need to find a comfortable, affordable, durable USB keyboard...`
`23:21.27`	`johnx_`	`wow...that looks somewhat less portable than my usb keyboard...`
`23:22.01`	`briand`	`i also ordered an iGo stowaway that should be here on friday or saturday`
`23:23.12`	`cLin`	`ugh`
`23:23.27`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm?`
`23:23.38`	`cLin`	`cant get openssh to work`
`23:23.46`	`cLin`	`password won't go thru`
`23:23.49`	`leif__`	`lol @ http://o-hand.com/about/ where the image heading says "About us. Kind of like the 'Millenium Falcon' of FLOSS or worst case, an Ewok village."`
`23:23.57`	`KotCzarny`	`have you started it?`
`23:24.02`	`cLin`	`yea`
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`23:24.11`	`cLin`	`restarted to and I changed the passwd file`
`23:24.12`	`johnx_`	`lcuk, I think they're talking about that stuff in this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32381?search_string=dsp%20400;#32381`
`23:24.18`	`johnx_`	`mainly the stuff about OP_CPU_H`
`23:24.44`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: hmm`
`23:25.10`	`KotCzarny`	`is it cygwin or standalone?`
`23:25.22`	`cLin`	`http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/`
`23:25.53`	`KotCzarny`	`not much in the documentation section`
`23:25.55`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:26.11`	`cLin`	`:\`
`23:27.11`	`leif__`	`GeneralAntilles, does wifi work?`
`23:27.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not sure yet`
`23:27.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It sees my network`
`23:27.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but keeps asking for a password, seeming to connect, then asking for a password again when I try to use it.`
`23:27.58`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: what username?`
`23:28.12`	`leif__`	`well that sounds much more promising than the version i tried months ago`
`23:28.14`	`cLin`	`im pretty sure its administrator`
`23:28.28`	`KotCzarny`	`with a big or lower 'a' ?`
`23:28.30`	`leif__`	`what kind of authentication does your network use?`
`23:28.52`	`cLin`	`its case sensitive?`
`23:28.56`	`KotCzarny`	`yes.`
`23:29.04`	`KotCzarny`	`whole *nix is case sensitive`
`23:29.09`	`cLin`	`big A`
`23:29.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`WPA2`
`23:29.17`	`KotCzarny`	`try with lower?`
`23:29.22`	`cLin`	`is there anyway to find the list of users i ihave made?`
`23:29.23`	`cLin`	`tried both`
`23:29.28`	`KotCzarny`	`http://erdelynet.com/archive/ssh-l/2003-01/1146.html`
`23:29.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hrm . . . froze it again.`
`23:29.31`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe this`
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`23:34.05`	`lcuk`	`ultimate laptop? pah! >>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1603/810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg`
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`23:34.17`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`23:34.31`	`KotCzarny`	`is that a rubber band?`
`23:34.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:34.50`	`lcuk`	`note the high performance nano-elastic webbing ;)`
`23:34.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The Apple bluetooth board is disturbingly compact.`
`23:35.10`	`cLin`	`ok, i got it working`
`23:35.12`	`lcuk`	`but it feels huge - i feel like a kid typing on a grown up computer`
`23:35.13`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`23:35.39`	`lcuk`	`johnx_, thank you :) i will read right now`
`23:35.44`	`cLin`	`ok, now i think its a firewall problem. n800 cant ssh into my laptop but i can do it myself`
`23:35.47`	`cLin`	`ugh`
`23:36.00`	`Navi`	`GeneralAntilles, how's it disturbing`
`23:36.02`	`KotCzarny`	`add a port in win fw`
`23:36.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's very small, Navi. :P`
`23:36.19`	`Navi`	`Is it one of those strunk down keyboards?`
`23:36.26`	`cLin`	`am`
`23:36.29`	`Navi`	`s/strunk/shrunk/`
`23:36.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's a standalone Macbook board, basically.`
`23:36.37`	`lcuk`	`navi, look at my link`
`23:36.45`	`johnx_`	`strunk? does that result in small and stinky?`
`23:36.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Super thin.`
`23:37.01`	`Navi`	`http://www.apple.com/keyboard/`
`23:37.05`	`cLin`	`ok im in`
`23:37.05`	`lcuk`	`exceeding good quality though`
`23:37.08`	`cLin`	`what do i do now`
`23:37.19`	`KotCzarny`	`clin that was only for testing connection`
`23:37.23`	`lcuk`	`my fingers just want to work with it`
`23:37.27`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:37.31`	`Navi`	`lcuk, agreed, I guess`
`23:37.41`	`Navi`	`but annoying`
`23:37.41`	`cLin`	`lcuk: how's the tactile feedback on it?`
`23:37.44`	`KotCzarny`	`now simply do: mkdir /media/laptop; sshfs user@laptop_ip:/ /media/laptop`
`23:37.44`	`cLin`	`i need a new keyboard`
`23:37.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:37.49`	`cLin`	`my spacebar is so fucked up`
`23:38.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`cLin, just like any other laptop keyboard. :P`
`23:38.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Buckling spring > *`
`23:38.13`	`Navi`	`except silent`
`23:38.15`	`KotCzarny`	`you will probably have to use -o allow_others too`
`23:38.19`	`cLin`	`really? the macbook pro keyboards dont look like that`
`23:38.22`	`KotCzarny`	`or run that command as user`
`23:38.26`	`lcuk`	`its light, but you press the keys enough and you know when you got it cleanly - infact so far i haven't not got it clean. i type better on there than on this one`
`23:38.28`	`Navi`	`cLin, flat keys`
`23:38.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Macbook, not Macbook Pro.`
`23:38.53`	`cLin`	`for the second /media/laptop, is that suppose to be a path?`
`23:38.59`	`Navi`	`cLin, http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/faq/macbook-how-keyboard-feels.html`
`23:39.02`	`KotCzarny`	`jsut a suggestion`
`23:39.09`	`KotCzarny`	`you may prefer another dir`
`23:39.27`	`cLin`	`but what is it? is that the directoryi drop thefiles into?`
`23:39.35`	`cLin`	`is there a way to get it to see the whole drive?`
`23:39.57`	`KotCzarny`	`all drives on target mounted as a single dir`
`23:40.07`	`KotCzarny`	`you can mount specific dir`
`23:40.27`	`KotCzarny`	`fe. sshfs user@laptop_ip:/cygdrive/d/mp3 /media/laptop`
`23:40.32`	`cLin`	`so how i mount something like c:\documents and settings\username\desktop`
`23:40.48`	`KotCzarny`	`remember that on *nix it's '/'`
`23:40.51`	`KotCzarny`	`not '\'`
`23:40.56`	`cLin`	`or rather, whats the format? the firstpath vs second`
`23:40.57`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:41.16`	`cLin`	`would / be equivalent to c:/?`
`23:41.22`	`KotCzarny`	`sshfs "user@laptop_ip:/cygdrive/c/documents and settings/username/desktop" /media/laptop`
`23:41.27`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:41.34`	`cLin`	`so the /media/laptop is what appears on the n800?`
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`23:41.43`	`KotCzarny`	`other way`
`23:41.56`	`johnx_`	`everything appears "under" /media/laptop`
`23:42.00`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:42.06`	`AJayMN`	`anyone know of a wifi locator signal strenght meter for Nokia 770?`
`23:42.07`	`cLin`	`do i need /cygdrive/?`
`23:42.20`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: that's my guess`
`23:42.37`	`KotCzarny`	`because i don't know how that openssh server for win exports drives`
`23:42.45`	`KotCzarny`	`if it's based on cygwin then probably yes`
`23:43.00`	`cLin`	`then what?`
`23:43.01`	`KotCzarny`	`just mount / and browse`
`23:43.04`	`cLin`	`after i type that command`
`23:43.24`	`KotCzarny`	`ls /media/laptop`
`23:43.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`23:44.56`	`plb`	`hm what apps does maemoscrobbler work with?`
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`23:45.29`	`cLin`	`xmms?`
`23:45.35`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`23:45.38`	`plb`	`that's it?`
`23:46.05`	`KotCzarny`	`context switch, argh`
`23:46.06`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:46.41`	`cLin`	`permissions must be boinked. ican ssh from laptop but not from n800. connects though, just get permission denied`
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`23:47.39`	`b0unc3`	`guys, any idea on how to check if a program/daemon is running ?`
`23:47.41`	`cLin`	`oh, permissions, not access`
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`23:47.55`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: sshfs command worked?`
`23:47.59`	`cLin`	`think so`
`23:48.08`	`cLin`	`Nokia-N800-51-3:~# sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop`
`23:48.08`	`cLin`	`clin@192.168.1.64's password:`
`23:48.08`	`cLin`	`clin@192.168.1.64:/: Permission denied`
`23:48.20`	`cLin`	`i dont think the fodler is correct`
`23:48.26`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`23:48.42`	`KotCzarny`	`can you login to clin@192.168.1.64 via ssh ?`
`23:48.54`	`cLin`	`yea`
`23:48.57`	`cLin`	`im logged in`
`23:49.07`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe it has got sftp disabled`
`23:49.11`	`KotCzarny`	`(on windows)`
`23:49.27`	`cLin`	`when im in ssh, how do i quit?`
`23:49.32`	`KotCzarny`	`exit`
`23:49.34`	`KotCzarny`	`or ctrl-d`
`23:49.43`	`KotCzarny`	`or logut`
`23:49.45`	`cLin`	`of course, soemthing that obvious`
`23:49.47`	`KotCzarny`	`logout`
`23:49.59`	`cLin`	`ok`
`23:50.00`	`cLin`	`i think it worked`
`23:50.04`	`cLin`	`Nokia-N800-51-3:~� sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop`
`23:50.04`	`cLin`	`clin@192.168.1.64's password:`
`23:50.04`	`cLin`	`Nokia-N800-51-3:~�`
`23:50.13`	`KotCzarny`	`ls /media/laptop`
`23:50.38`	`cLin`	`i see a bunchof my desktop files`
`23:50.41`	`cLin`	`which is what i set home to be`
`23:50.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:51.07`	`KotCzarny`	`now if you want media player to see them`
`23:51.11`	`cLin`	`so to get to the pointof all this, how would i watch it`
`23:51.24`	`KotCzarny`	`you will have to add -o allow_others for that sshfs command`
`23:51.38`	`cLin`	`"add -o allow_others" ?`
`23:51.42`	`KotCzarny`	`no`
`23:51.47`	`cLin`	`sshfs -o allow_others`
`23:51.50`	`KotCzarny`	`sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop -o allow_others`
`23:51.53`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:52.03`	`KotCzarny`	`can be at the beginning too`
`23:52.04`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:52.30`	`cLin`	`Nokia-N800-51-3:~� sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop -o allow_others`
`23:52.30`	`cLin`	`clin@192.168.1.64's password:`
`23:52.30`	`cLin`	`fuse: mountpoint is not empty`
`23:52.30`	`cLin`	`fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option`
`23:52.30`	`cLin`	`Nokia-N800-51-3:~�`
`23:52.32`	`KotCzarny`	`don't forget to umount /media/laptop first`
`23:52.33`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:52.35`	`cLin`	`oh`
`23:52.36`	`cLin`	`yea`
`23:52.55`	`cLin`	`unknown option allow_others`
`23:53.00`	`KotCzarny`	`try allow_other`
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`23:53.15`	`cLin`	`ok, works`
`23:53.18`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:53.27`	`cLin`	`then ls /media/laptop`
`23:53.32`	`cLin`	`ls = mount?`
`23:53.33`	`pupnik`	`You should dedicate your life to working on game ports under my oversight and direction`
`23:53.36`	`KotCzarny`	`ls == dir`
`23:53.42`	`KotCzarny`	`(list dir)`
`23:53.58`	`KotCzarny`	`pupnik: ok, but you do the dishes`
`23:54.00`	`cLin`	`so how do iview the files now?`
`23:54.06`	`AJayMN`	`anyone know where i can get kismet for nokia 770? i cant find a link to download the deb`
`23:54.09`	`pupnik`	`yes i love doing dishes`
`23:54.16`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: open your media player and simply navigate to /media/laptop`
`23:54.49`	`KotCzarny`	`works for any app`
`23:54.53`	`cLin`	`also KotCzarny,if i set me sftp home directory to c:\doc\folder\desktop, i wouldnt be able to do to like another drive would i?`
`23:54.58`	`KotCzarny`	`in fact it looks for the os as a local dir`
`23:55.09`	`KotCzarny`	`and even better you can write to it too`
`23:55.10`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:56.07`	`cLin`	`have you used mplayer before? these are the options when I click open file, its either the main folder it sees with the audio clips, docs, games,images or removable media`
`23:56.11`	`cLin`	`i cant see /media/laptop`
`23:56.24`	`johnx_`	`AJayMN, look on gronmayer.com/it`
`23:56.39`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: it should have 'open' in menu`
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`23:56.51`	`cLin`	`yea i know`
`23:56.56`	`cLin`	`those are the directories i see in that`
`23:57.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:57.47`	`cLin`	`no, :(`
`23:57.55`	`KotCzarny`	`you don't want metalayer-crawl to get there though :)`
`23:57.57`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm?`
`23:58.11`	`cLin`	`iturned it off cause it lagged the n800 to a crawl`
`23:58.48`	`KotCzarny`	`good`
`23:58.50`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`23:58.58`	`cLin`	`you were the one that told me :P`
`23:59.07`	`cLin`	`but now ineed tofigure out a way to get to /media/laptop on mplayer`
`23:59.47`	`AJayMN`	`johnx_ only 1 repository has it listed but the repo is empty`
`23:59.54`	`KotCzarny`	`clin: use file manager?`
`23:59.54`	`johnx_`	`ah`

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