| 00:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, you do realize it can auto-scan, right? |
| 00:00.11 | johnx | they look really nice on a certain size of monitor...but horrible on everything else |
| 00:00.19 | KotCzarny | ga: where? |
| 00:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | Right on the first page of the prefs. . . . |
| 00:00.39 | KotCzarny | it's ui missed me |
| 00:00.50 | madamn | guess im odd i love reading them on my nokia but it sucks waiting for it to cache pages |
| 00:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | I still don't see your point, though. |
| 00:00.53 | johnx | the preferences page is a bit...dense |
| 00:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | PDF is stupid for the Nokia. |
| 00:01.09 | KotCzarny | let's see.. |
| 00:01.14 | lcuk | fbreader suffers for me by dislodging and showing a rotated block of text and library list on the main windowed screen |
| 00:01.33 | lcuk | when the ui is presented in a different orientation my eyes bleed |
| 00:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 00:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | What |
| 00:01.53 | johnx | madamn, I love reading ebooks on my N800, but not being able to zoom and reflow the text is too much to give up |
| 00:02.04 | lcuk | i read rotated 90deg - fbreader shows the book at that orientation when the menus and hildon is around |
| 00:02.09 | unixSnob | PDF is stupid as a format of choice for the Nokia.. but necessary since it's so saturated into everything |
| 00:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | PDF -> HTML isn't TOO hard, though. |
| 00:02.49 | lcuk | need a compressed format which keeps things together |
| 00:02.55 | unixSnob | Is format preserved in going to html? |
| 00:02.56 | GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, isn't that the point of a media library, not having to browse for your stuff? <_< |
| 00:03.05 | lcuk | pdf is actually very good at what it does, but its geared for print sized pages |
| 00:03.09 | unixSnob | I've only seen PDF to Word converters that preserve format |
| 00:03.13 | madamn | i have only tried pdf -> html one time and i lost all images in a cisco manual images are a must |
| 00:03.22 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 00:03.25 | KotCzarny | i may be blind |
| 00:03.34 | Navi | KotCzarny, and you are. |
| 00:03.38 | KotCzarny | but where exactly it has 'search for books button' ? |
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| 00:03.58 | KotCzarny | (and add them automatically) |
| 00:04.04 | lcuk | just press the left most icon twice |
| 00:04.09 | lcuk | the 3 books stacked |
| 00:04.27 | lcuk | then the 1 book |
| 00:04.59 | lcuk | the 3 books takes you to your library. then there is an add icon - this opens a file selector |
| 00:05.19 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:05.25 | KotCzarny | and i have to add book by book |
| 00:05.31 | KotCzarny | no 'add all you can find' |
| 00:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | Look at prefs. |
| 00:05.41 | KotCzarny | wtf. is wrong with browse dir |
| 00:06.02 | KotCzarny | ga: screenshot pls |
| 00:06.22 | KotCzarny | what i want is a way to easily browse my dirs and read what i like |
| 00:06.57 | lcuk | exactly what i just said |
| 00:07.05 | lcuk | browse - oh look its a book |
| 00:07.18 | xuser | is there a vnc viewer for maemo? |
| 00:07.23 | KotCzarny | xuser: yes |
| 00:07.56 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it's gui is not the best in terms of intuitiviness |
| 00:07.57 | lcuk | in options, general tab has book path and "look for books in subdirectories" |
| 00:08.05 | lcuk | i agree kot |
| 00:08.16 | xuser | KotCzarny: kk |
| 00:08.21 | lcuk | but im there for the books, the library is just that |
| 00:08.31 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:08.35 | lcuk | actually on mine, the library has filled up :) |
| 00:08.37 | KotCzarny | i usually put books in Books |
| 00:08.47 | KotCzarny | wtf is that 'library' thing |
| 00:08.51 | KotCzarny | just browse that dir |
| 00:08.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:08.56 | lcuk | additional information about books |
| 00:09.08 | KotCzarny | i don't need no fscking additional information |
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| 00:09.25 | KotCzarny | the only information i need is in dir/fname.ext |
| 00:09.30 | lcuk | categories title author parts of a series format layouts indents |
| 00:09.46 | lcuk | (just click next if you dont care) |
| 00:09.47 | KotCzarny | and how is layout helpfull? |
| 00:11.25 | KotCzarny | still, i would be better of with mc and using fbreader as a backend for books |
| 00:11.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:11.35 | KotCzarny | *off |
| 00:12.01 | lcuk | the reader has come across many formats and has quite a following, i am sure it will be explained somewhere on their site |
| 00:12.09 | lcuk | mc? |
| 00:12.24 | KotCzarny | midnight commander |
| 00:12.27 | KotCzarny | nc clone |
| 00:12.42 | KotCzarny | quite powerful and convenient |
| 00:13.31 | lcuk | i agree with you, but for now - needs must |
| 00:13.36 | madamn | ok here comes the stupid queston i have the openssh server to install via package manager but there is no default username or a root username how would i go about connecting to it |
| 00:13.37 | KotCzarny | nope. |
| 00:13.48 | KotCzarny | i will just use term -e mc |
| 00:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | madamn, it should force you to set a root pass. |
| 00:13.57 | KotCzarny | then add a rule for fbreader in mc |
| 00:13.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:14.03 | madamn | oh ok kool |
| 00:14.30 | madamn | and i assume root can ssh by default ? |
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| 00:15.17 | johnx | madamn, yes |
| 00:15.42 | johnx | you can set a user password after you log in as root or use public key authentication |
| 00:15.47 | madamn | eww thats a security hole but its a portable device so i wont complain |
| 00:16.10 | johnx | that root can ssh by default? |
| 00:16.19 | KotCzarny | madamn: nope, ssh isn't installed by default |
| 00:16.24 | KotCzarny | it's your decision to use it |
| 00:16.42 | xuser_ | KotCzarny: what's the name for the vnc app? |
| 00:16.43 | jku | johnx, with openssh default config yes |
| 00:16.59 | madamn | lol no that root can my freebsd box has a 45+ char pass for root everything is done via sudo lol |
| 00:17.05 | KotCzarny | xuser: don't remember, i have seen it though while googling |
| 00:17.13 | xuser_ | kk |
| 00:17.34 | KotCzarny | madamn: then you know how to secure it |
| 00:17.39 | madamn | vnc app is called vncviewer |
| 00:17.43 | KotCzarny | no problem |
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| 00:18.05 | madamn | :) i will eventually i am assuming once i getinto the cli a whole new world will open up to me |
| 00:18.20 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 00:18.29 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ |
| 00:18.35 | johnx | yes, finding new and exciting ways to break things :P |
| 00:19.01 | KotCzarny | breaking things is ok |
| 00:19.08 | KotCzarny | at least you learn something |
| 00:19.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:19.10 | madamn | i am just excited i may be able to make icons for some shell scripts to run |
| 00:19.49 | cLin | when i install a new app, does metalayer-crawler need to be on for it to be in my menu? |
| 00:19.49 | johnx | KotCzarny, agreed |
| 00:19.54 | madamn | and its a portable device everything is backed up incase of bricking its what a reflash and copy to mmc entire reload is what 1 hour max its worth breaking a few dozen times for experience |
| 00:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | cLin, metalayer crawler has nothing to do with the Application Menu. |
| 00:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | The Application Menu scans .desktops. |
| 00:20.24 | johnx | madamn, if you boot off of sd you can just rsync your whole filesystem into place if you break things |
| 00:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | What did you install? |
| 00:20.34 | xuser_ | lcuk: yeah I was looking only in the AM but it isn't there. |
| 00:20.48 | KotCzarny | try 'other' |
| 00:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | On that note, has anybody put together a nice script or somesuch for creating a .jffs2 image of the rootfs? |
| 00:20.55 | cLin | nothing, was just wondering the side affects of disabling it |
| 00:20.58 | KotCzarny | it usually puts unknown icons there |
| 00:21.11 | madamn | boot off of mmc o now that sounds like fun and probly faster with a class 6 sd card. |
| 00:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 00:21.27 | KotCzarny | speed isn't an issue |
| 00:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | I've never noticed a difference, anyway. |
| 00:21.33 | KotCzarny | it's the fun factor |
| 00:21.47 | johnx | theoretically it's a little faster |
| 00:21.58 | madamn | what does it use ext2? reiser? |
| 00:22.08 | KotCzarny | it's slower than internal flash |
| 00:22.09 | johnx | madamn, ext3 or ext2 |
| 00:22.13 | KotCzarny | at least after hparm -t |
| 00:22.14 | lcuk | xuser_, if you have default repositories configured it will not display, i think it might however be in the extras but you will have to see, or just get the deb |
| 00:22.16 | KotCzarny | hdparm |
| 00:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | The key is that it's not a compressed filesystem. |
| 00:22.35 | madamn | is there a decent walkthrough anywhere ? and is it offically supported ? |
| 00:22.47 | johnx | officially supported by nokia? hell no |
| 00:22.53 | madamn | lol |
| 00:22.53 | KotCzarny | madamn: maemo.org |
| 00:22.54 | johnx | howto available? yes |
| 00:23.09 | johnx | google maemo boot mmc |
| 00:24.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.07 | KotCzarny | (internal flash) |
| 00:24.09 | madamn | will it use the full 256 meg of flash as ram when doing mmc boot ? |
| 00:24.16 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.16 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.20 | KotCzarny | class6 8gb sd card |
| 00:24.20 | johnx | madamn, er no |
| 00:24.25 | johnx | flash != RAM |
| 00:24.49 | madamn | oh well would be a good place to put /swap then |
| 00:24.55 | KotCzarny | don't |
| 00:24.59 | KotCzarny | you don't need swap |
| 00:25.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:25.15 | KotCzarny | unless you plan on running apach+mysql there |
| 00:25.22 | johnx | madamn, you realize that flash memory has a limited number of write cycles, yes? |
| 00:25.30 | madamn | nah just opera and 10-20meg ebooks |
| 00:25.43 | KotCzarny | then you don't need swap |
| 00:25.49 | KotCzarny | install ssh and see for yourself |
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| 00:35.35 | madamn | ok whats the nokia equivlent to ifconfig ? |
| 00:35.45 | johnx | ifconfig |
| 00:35.51 | freelikegnu | <rimshot> |
| 00:36.22 | madamn | ifconfig: command not found i thought thought would be part of the core |
| 00:36.32 | johnx | madamn, are you root? |
| 00:36.46 | johnx | is ifconfig in user's path on your freebsd box? |
| 00:36.47 | xuser_ | lcuk: you can add the garage.maemo.org repositories to the AM? |
| 00:37.01 | madamn | prolly not let me see if su works |
| 00:37.25 | johnx | madamn, sudo gainroot or ssh root@localhost |
| 00:37.31 | freelikegnu | iwconfig wroks without root just to view interfaces |
| 00:37.40 | freelikegnu | ifconfig should be the same |
| 00:37.45 | johnx | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:38.07 | johnx | it's just that /sbin isn't in user's $PATH |
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| 00:39.22 | cLin | anyone using xmms? |
| 00:39.31 | johnx | some people, apparently |
| 00:39.39 | cLin | i installed the skin plugin but i cant find them |
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| 00:43.23 | madamn | lol enableRD mode if you want to break your device. that is so comforting |
| 00:43.38 | johnx | just install becomeroot or ssh root@localhost |
| 00:44.02 | johnx | no need to screw around with rd mode |
| 00:47.49 | LastOfTheEld | can anyone point me in the right direction to solve: "hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h: No such file or directory" when trying to compile a program in scratchbox? |
| 00:49.24 | johnx | interesting, I have hildon-program.h in my scratchbox but it's not under hildon-widgets |
| 00:50.00 | johnx | maybe it was located there for bora, and moved for chinook? |
| 00:50.21 | LastOfTheEld | where is it located for you? |
| 00:50.39 | johnx | libhildon1-dev: /usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/hildon-program.h |
| 00:50.52 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 00:51.16 | KotCzarny | same for me |
| 00:51.28 | madamn | is there a newsreader available as pan does does not seem to want to install |
| 00:51.38 | LastOfTheEld | ah, there it is, thanks |
| 00:51.59 | johnx | LastOfTheEld, dpkg -S is your friend :) |
| 00:52.31 | KotCzarny | or find |
| 00:52.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:53.16 | LastOfTheEld | yeah, i've only been using linux for a few months, so i'm still learning the ropes ;p |
| 00:53.25 | LastOfTheEld | thanks for the input, though |
| 00:53.55 | johnx | sure :) |
| 00:54.04 | KotCzarny | that would be 5E |
| 00:54.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:59.52 | KotCzarny | checking if you are too dumbing dumb for the dummy... no |
| 00:59.54 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 01:01.39 | freelikegnu | bah I'm getting libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out |
| 01:01.55 | freelikegnu | during sdk install |
| 01:01.59 | freelikegnu | :P |
| 01:02.05 | KotCzarny | somthing lags |
| 01:02.06 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 01:02.19 | freelikegnu | I've tried 4 times |
| 01:02.25 | KotCzarny | try tomorrow |
| 01:02.29 | freelikegnu | ok |
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| 01:03.22 | freelikegnu | its jsut impossible to do anything with my n800 this w/e :( |
| 01:03.30 | freelikegnu | how frustrating |
| 01:03.43 | KotCzarny | life, find a mirror |
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| 01:12.25 | unixSnob | yeah, that sdk install is a pain in the ass.. the script doesn't work out of the box |
| 01:12.57 | johnx | and mirroring would be against the EULA I assume |
| 01:15.34 | Tama^3 | freelikegnu: you are spending too much time blending /me shakes head |
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| 01:18.35 | unixSnob | what do you mean "blending"? |
| 01:18.56 | johnx | putting things in a blender and turning it on |
| 01:20.37 | Tama^3 | I have no clue, ask freelikegnu. He is the one saying the word 'blend' seemingly out of context. |
| 01:20.52 | Tama^3 | :P |
| 01:20.58 | KotCzarny | ipod blending was cool |
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| 01:22.37 | LastOfTheEld | so here's hoping someone can help again |
| 01:22.55 | KotCzarny | you still have outstanding balance with us |
| 01:23.02 | LastOfTheEld | when trying to run the maemo_hello program, i'm getting the error GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: |
| 01:23.22 | KotCzarny | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 01:23.22 | johnx | did you run xephyr as suggested? |
| 01:23.32 | KotCzarny | (or :2) |
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| 01:24.07 | LastOfTheEld | yeah, i've got xephyr running, and its currently displaying the initial screen |
| 01:24.18 | johnx | alright, then export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 01:24.39 | LastOfTheEld | yeah, i did that, followed by af-sb-init.sh start |
| 01:25.02 | KotCzarny | then past message AFTER ":" |
| 01:25.03 | johnx | ah, what command line did you run xephyr with? |
| 01:25.15 | LastOfTheEld | after the : is nothing, the line ends with the : |
| 01:25.28 | KotCzarny | then something is b0rken |
| 01:25.30 | LastOfTheEld | i ran Xephyr in a terminal on my machine, and ran the other commands within scratchbox |
| 01:25.50 | KotCzarny | install gcc and other tools on nokia then |
| 01:25.54 | KotCzarny | and compile it there |
| 01:25.55 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:25.59 | unixSnob | xhost+ |
| 01:26.07 | johnx | right, what was the full line for xephyr? "xephyr arg1 arg2" |
| 01:26.30 | LastOfTheEld | Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac |
| 01:27.20 | johnx | alright, humor me and in scratchbox: try export DISPLAY=:2 then run your command again |
| 01:29.02 | LastOfTheEld | ...i like your humor |
| 01:29.10 | LastOfTheEld | that makes no sense why that works |
| 01:29.10 | johnx | works? |
| 01:29.15 | LastOfTheEld | but it does, and thank you : ) |
| 01:29.18 | johnx | you typoed earlier? |
| 01:29.20 | KotCzarny | learn *nix |
| 01:29.28 | johnx | maybe missed a : ? |
| 01:29.39 | KotCzarny | maybe wrong window |
| 01:29.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 01:29.43 | johnx | anyways, no worries |
| 01:29.46 | LastOfTheEld | nope, same exact command, used the 'up' to bring it up |
| 01:29.59 | johnx | heh, I don't know then |
| 01:30.44 | LastOfTheEld | well now that i've got a program running, time to learn how to manipulate them. if i have any more trouble, i know where to go. thanks again, guys! |
| 01:31.38 | johnx | sure. Just write us lots of cool apps. :D |
| 01:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | If you don't, we'll hunt you down. |
| 01:34.13 | LastOfTheEld | completely understandable; i'll do my best |
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| 01:38.12 | unixSnob | what are the rootstraps? |
| 01:38.27 | unixSnob | i'd downloading them.. and installing them, not sure what they do for me |
| 01:38.42 | KotCzarny | save some time |
| 01:38.44 | johnx | from what I understand, they provide kind-of a chroot environment |
| 01:39.00 | unixSnob | i thought scratchbox did that |
| 01:39.12 | KotCzarny | scratchbox is general tool |
| 01:39.24 | KotCzarny | rootstraps are maemo related |
| 01:39.41 | johnx | or "whatever you're using scratchbox to develop for" related |
| 01:39.50 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 01:40.48 | unixSnob | i notice the docs are out of order.. step 2: configure targets, step 3: download rootstraps |
| 01:41.07 | KotCzarny | they are not |
| 01:41.16 | KotCzarny | you're reading wrong docs though |
| 01:41.36 | unixSnob | When I'm configuring the targets, the rootstraps aren't there yet |
| 01:41.40 | KotCzarny | what i did was: 1/ run 'install sb script' 2/ 'install maemo sdk' script |
| 01:41.41 | KotCzarny | and done |
| 01:41.52 | unixSnob | yeah, doesn't work for me |
| 01:41.57 | unixSnob | 1st script works |
| 01:42.00 | KotCzarny | then you're doing it wrong |
| 01:42.02 | KotCzarny | apparently |
| 01:42.16 | unixSnob | but 2nd script fails the same way every time. This is my 2nd time repeating the process |
| 01:42.20 | johnx | or maemo.org is not accessible from where you are... |
| 01:42.44 | unixSnob | The second script fails because "a scratchbox session is running" when indeed it's not |
| 01:43.08 | unixSnob | everything downloads okay |
| 01:43.22 | KotCzarny | don't question error messages. |
| 01:43.40 | unixSnob | so I'm doing the SDK install manually.. which has a screwed up order |
| 01:43.41 | KotCzarny | it won't work that way |
| 01:44.02 | johnx | you can configure the target before you install the rootstrap |
| 01:44.15 | johnx | the way scratchbox works isn't exactly straightforward |
| 01:44.44 | unixSnob | Yeah, in the GUI i can configure the target, as long as I cancel before the rootstrap business. |
| 01:44.58 | unixSnob | From the CLI, the configuration fails |
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| 01:51.04 | unixSnob | another oversight: the docs say execute "apt-get update", w/out indicating what target to do that in. |
| 01:51.25 | johnx | both targets |
| 01:51.28 | unixSnob | It works in the i386 target, but not the arm target because the binaries won't run |
| 01:51.43 | unixSnob | Do I need qemu at this point? |
| 01:51.52 | johnx | they should run. qemu should be included |
| 01:51.59 | johnx | it sounds like something is pretty screwed up |
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| 01:53.09 | unixSnob | So when I'm in the arm target, should qemu be running automatically? |
| 01:53.14 | johnx | yes |
| 01:53.22 | johnx | that's most of the point of scratchbox |
| 01:56.40 | unixSnob | I think I see what happened.. I used sb-menu to setup the arm target, and I think the qemu command didn't make it into the config |
| 01:57.00 | unixSnob | So I blew away the arm target, and now setup w/ commandline |
| 01:57.48 | unixSnob | yeah, that fixed it |
| 01:57.58 | elb | you have to have a binfmt_misc setup for qemu |
| 01:58.02 | elb | which may have been missing |
| 02:00.17 | unixSnob | so do you folks develop in the i386 target most of the time? and then just use the arm target for a testing? |
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| 02:00.45 | KotCzarny | sshfs ftw! |
| 02:00.56 | johnx | most of my stuff is just recompiles so I just stay on the ARMEL target |
| 02:01.00 | elb | my impression is that most people don't test in scratchbox at all |
| 02:01.23 | KotCzarny | also vnc is handy |
| 02:01.31 | KotCzarny | if you don't want to drain your nokia's battery |
| 02:01.50 | KotCzarny | with screen off it drains very little power |
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| 02:04.58 | briand | 3\ |
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| 02:17.38 | KotCzarny | anyone wants to see retu-adc visualization? |
| 02:17.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:21.17 | unixSnob | gnuplot on the NIT? reall? |
| 02:21.22 | KotCzarny | why not? |
| 02:21.38 | unixSnob | i was wondering if any good graphical calcs were on there |
| 02:21.53 | KotCzarny | compile one yourself, and there wil be |
| 02:36.35 | MipsIrv | anyone here have any experience with some of the older trends for handheld devices.. kdrive.. microwindows, fltk etc? |
| 02:36.57 | johnx | kdrive is alive and well |
| 02:37.03 | MipsIrv | it looks like some of these projects have died, but I suspect that they may have been a bit leaner compared to some of the trends today |
| 02:37.04 | Tama^3 | a n00bish question: is GDK the "interface" between GTK and the Xserver? (at least in the version of GTK used by chinook) |
| 02:37.05 | johnx | fltk is still used somewhat |
| 02:37.29 | johnx | I think microwindows stalled, IIRC |
| 02:37.40 | MipsIrv | last update i see on the site is 2003 |
| 02:37.46 | johnx | MipsIrv, for kdrive? |
| 02:37.59 | MipsIrv | too bad.. the last update was improved NXLIB compatability |
| 02:38.14 | MipsIrv | i don't know the status of kdrive.. i haven't touched it in a while |
| 02:38.17 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png |
| 02:38.29 | MipsIrv | the last embedded device I worked on was an agenda vr3 and an nec mobilepro 800 |
| 02:38.30 | KotCzarny | anyone knows meaning of retu-adc fields on n800? |
| 02:38.51 | johnx | MipsIrv, who's website was last updated in 2003? |
| 02:39.04 | MipsIrv | microwindows |
| 02:39.07 | johnx | ah |
| 02:39.26 | johnx | yeah, the processing power and RAM/storage available made more full-featured things more attractive |
| 02:39.31 | johnx | xomap and xfbdev are based on kdrive |
| 02:39.43 | johnx | and xephyr is as well I think |
| 02:40.43 | johnx | I think someone used fltk to write some apps for the N8x0 |
| 02:46.15 | MipsIrv | so what about enhancements such as XIP.. still in use or just pointless with newer hardware? |
| 02:46.43 | KotCzarny | xip is there |
| 02:46.55 | KotCzarny | ie available in the kernel |
| 02:47.05 | unixSnob | i just realized I installed scratchbox on a small drive.. didn't realize I would want it to grow. Suppose I move the whole tree elsewhere.. are there any interdependancies on the location of the scratchbox? |
| 02:47.25 | unixSnob | I'll probably make a symbolic link just to be safe |
| 02:47.38 | johnx | unixSnob, that's what I did |
| 02:47.52 | johnx | the init script to set up binfmt, etc wants it to be /scratchbox |
| 02:47.56 | johnx | a symlink works fine |
| 02:48.05 | unixSnob | ok, thanks |
| 02:50.37 | johnx | MipsIrv, a quick google search turns up mumblings about it being hard to implement xip and on a writeable fs |
| 02:50.56 | johnx | and a writeable root fs seems to be the trend (for better or worse) |
| 02:51.22 | KotCzarny | ext2 has xip |
| 02:51.55 | johnx | yeah, I thought I saw that... |
| 02:52.03 | johnx | well, hard doesn't mean impossible |
| 02:52.04 | KotCzarny | also there's an option to build xipImage |
| 02:52.26 | KotCzarny | though you will need to store it uncompressed |
| 02:56.31 | MipsIrv | *nod* that stuff i'm used to |
| 02:56.43 | MipsIrv | trying to remember how to manipulate jffs2 and mtd devices and the like |
| 02:56.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:56.58 | KotCzarny | dd? |
| 02:57.48 | MipsIrv | well.. i pulled down the latest 2006SE image and wanted to snoop around the initfs and rootfs on my x86 box.. can't quite figure out how to mount the jffs2 image via a loop device |
| 02:58.23 | KotCzarny | just copy it off the device itself |
| 02:58.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:59.09 | MipsIrv | does anyone know offhand how much of the nokia image is proprietary? in the terms of service it talks about derivative works, etc and has some pretty stringent restrictions.. so far though, I have yet to see anything that is proprietary.. |
| 02:59.15 | MipsIrv | *nod* that's an option |
| 02:59.33 | KotCzarny | various kernel blobs |
| 02:59.52 | KotCzarny | and various software binaries to interact with those blobs (and other) |
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| 03:15.50 | johnx | MipsIrv, mount the jffs2 with mtd-ram module in Linux |
| 03:16.09 | johnx | lots of the GUI apps are actually binary-only Nokia-proprietary |
| 03:16.20 | johnx | including browser UI, image viewer, media player |
| 03:16.30 | johnx | lots of the dsp stuff is proprietary |
| 03:16.31 | KotCzarny | but there are 'replacements' |
| 03:16.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:16.37 | johnx | KotCzarny, no |
| 03:16.43 | johnx | there aren't in most cases |
| 03:17.16 | KotCzarny | well, i can compile most of the apps i have tried |
| 03:17.22 | KotCzarny | and run them successfully |
| 03:17.29 | johnx | but the source isn't available to lots of those apps |
| 03:17.38 | KotCzarny | like xzgv? |
| 03:17.41 | KotCzarny | or mplayer? |
| 03:17.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:17.51 | johnx | like the navigation plugins |
| 03:17.54 | johnx | or the desktop clock |
| 03:17.55 | KotCzarny | window maker/fluxbox |
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| 03:18.07 | KotCzarny | dammit, sdk is available |
| 03:18.21 | KotCzarny | so what they have their own apps closed? |
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| 03:18.50 | KotCzarny | the only thing that bothers me are drivers |
| 03:19.11 | johnx | well, what I and other people people are trying to do is get the maemo stuff into debian |
| 03:19.31 | KotCzarny | shouldn't it be other way around? |
| 03:19.37 | johnx | why? |
| 03:19.44 | KotCzarny | bcause debian is open/free ? |
| 03:20.36 | johnx | if the maemo stuff can be integrated into debian, then you have instant access to anything available for debian |
| 03:20.56 | KotCzarny | i don't understand that logic |
| 03:20.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:21.21 | KotCzarny | wouldn't the effect be: maemo stuff would be available to debian ? |
| 03:21.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:21.32 | johnx | that would be nice as well |
| 03:21.53 | johnx | but also, it would be the best of both wolds for the N8x0 |
| 03:22.36 | johnx | all the debian software + all of the maemo software available on the N8x0 is the goal |
| 03:22.55 | johnx | right now it can be a huge pain to get something from Debian onto the tablets |
| 03:23.04 | KotCzarny | at the moment i can't see any gain of maemo software |
| 03:23.49 | KotCzarny | there will be no pain if you run debian apps |
| 03:24.02 | johnx | you mean Nokia's stuff or maemo apps in general? |
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| 03:24.20 | KotCzarny | i mean, ol'good gnu/gpl |
| 03:24.32 | cLin | where is the home.html located on our n800? |
| 03:24.42 | KotCzarny | clin: it's in the config |
| 03:25.03 | KotCzarny | you can change yor homepage |
| 03:25.07 | johnx | Maemo apps are a lot more finger friendly, and generally better optimized to have a smaller memory footprint |
| 03:25.28 | KotCzarny | johnx, that's just a matter of one app |
| 03:26.01 | KotCzarny | and as far memory footprint goes.. metalayer-crawl :P |
| 03:26.15 | johnx | KotCzarny, you're not making much sense |
| 03:26.21 | KotCzarny | i do |
| 03:26.29 | KotCzarny | maemo has some bloat too |
| 03:26.44 | johnx | yes, but much less than gnome, xfce, or even kde |
| 03:26.49 | KotCzarny | not true. |
| 03:26.56 | johnx | uhm...no |
| 03:27.00 | KotCzarny | there's fluxbox |
| 03:27.12 | johnx | that's just a window manager |
| 03:27.20 | johnx | what do you use for web browsing under fluxbox? |
| 03:27.31 | KotCzarny | so what? matchbox uses 'plugins' too |
| 03:27.46 | KotCzarny | firefox or links -g |
| 03:28.08 | Tama^3 | funny conversation |
| 03:28.11 | Tama^3 | :P |
| 03:28.16 | KotCzarny | wanna join? :P |
| 03:28.24 | Navi | Tama^3, someone multiplied you by a Tama? |
| 03:28.30 | Tama^3 | no thanks |
| 03:28.41 | Tama^3 | by a Tama^2 |
| 03:28.48 | Navi | zomg |
| 03:28.57 | KotCzarny | me, myself & irene? |
| 03:28.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:28.59 | Navi | You ate Tama^2! |
| 03:29.18 | johnx | KotCzarny, anyways, I think we can agree that Nokia's closed source stuff is annoying. |
| 03:29.27 | Tama^3 | I am disparately looking for someone to divide me or apply a log() |
| 03:29.27 | KotCzarny | johnx: yes |
| 03:29.43 | Tama^3 | speaking of annoyances |
| 03:29.45 | Navi | Tama^3/Tama |
| 03:29.55 | Tama^2 | thanks |
| 03:29.57 | Navi | wewt |
| 03:30.40 | KotCzarny | johnx: at least nokia played nice and published a sdk |
| 03:30.42 | Tama^2 | you know the system UI flickers when it appears, the notifications for instance |
| 03:30.53 | KotCzarny | archos is a nice toy too |
| 03:31.02 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny: are you trolling? :P |
| 03:31.07 | KotCzarny | but closed |
| 03:31.37 | KotCzarny | i just played with an archos 704 for a while |
| 03:31.37 | Tama^2 | I'd love to make the flickering go away |
| 03:31.37 | KotCzarny | cute interface |
| 03:31.41 | KotCzarny | very usable |
| 03:31.48 | KotCzarny | but unfortunatelly no sdk |
| 03:31.54 | johnx | yes, Nokia is more friendly than most, but still annoying in their own way |
| 03:32.08 | KotCzarny | so one would have to pay for a new codecs |
| 03:32.54 | KotCzarny | seriously, archos ui is very well designed |
| 03:33.05 | KotCzarny | if you get a chance, play with it for a while |
| 03:33.30 | KotCzarny | laso finger optimized |
| 03:33.32 | KotCzarny | also |
| 03:34.01 | KotCzarny | can be a good source of inspiration for a media player author |
| 03:34.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:34.58 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly after looking for a software or sdk and hitting the wall i decided it's not for me |
| 03:35.26 | KotCzarny | and it's scaling alghorithm reminds me of p1mmx videos ;) |
| 03:35.27 | MipsIrv | anyone have any suggestions on decent pim applications that can sync with desktop? |
| 03:35.44 | johnx | that last part would be the sticking point |
| 03:35.47 | Tama^2 | MipsIrv: I wish I knew one |
| 03:36.12 | Navi | pimlico is nice |
| 03:36.23 | KotCzarny | pimP my nokia? |
| 03:36.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 03:36.25 | Navi | but there hasn't been any stable builds of the sync tool |
| 03:36.40 | Navi | I've been meaning to build it myself |
| 03:36.45 | Navi | but I'm lazy |
| 03:37.54 | Tama^2 | does pimlico work? when I looked a month ago it did not |
| 03:38.07 | Navi | yes, it works :P |
| 03:38.10 | johnx | what about it didn't work? |
| 03:38.18 | Navi | they have one click installs on their site |
| 03:38.33 | Tama^2 | which does not work for me O.o |
| 03:39.46 | Navi | Heh |
| 03:39.48 | Tama^2 | I will try again |
| 03:39.48 | Navi | Try it out now |
| 03:45.40 | Tama^2 | they install now |
| 03:45.47 | Tama^2 | the repo was broken before.. |
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| 03:45.56 | Navi | :3 |
| 03:46.02 | Navi | pimlico is nice |
| 03:46.10 | KotCzarny | one happy pimPer |
| 03:46.14 | Tama^2 | thank you Navi û.U |
| 03:46.40 | Navi | I only use the calendar app tough |
| 03:46.42 | Navi | though* |
| 03:47.06 | KotCzarny | it's like using office for wordpad |
| 03:47.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:47.32 | Navi | too bad wordpad isn't part of Office |
| 03:47.57 | KotCzarny | wordpad app is replaced when you install office |
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| 03:49.10 | KotCzarny | Notice: Undefined offset: 0 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/org/openpsa/products/handler/group/list.php on line 71 |
| 03:49.18 | KotCzarny | who broke maemo.org ? |
| 03:50.01 | Navi | No one broke maemo.org |
| 03:50.17 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 03:50.56 | Navi | too bad the right address is http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 03:51.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 03:51.34 | KotCzarny | still, it should return 404, not 500 |
| 03:51.58 | Navi | briand, sup? |
| 03:52.33 | briand | trying to get scratchbox set up on one of my machines here... |
| 03:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. |
| 03:53.20 | briand | installed well, and trying to proceed to installing the SDK, but cannot login to the scratchbox. says I don't have an active target in scratchbox chroot |
| 03:53.27 | briand | GeneralAntilles: i'm tempted. |
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| 03:54.12 | unixSnob | the sdk script fails me 2 |
| 03:54.18 | unixSnob | had to do it manually |
| 03:54.22 | dospod | hey |
| 03:54.23 | Navi | script works for me. |
| 03:54.36 | KotCzarny | mtr? |
| 03:54.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:54.47 | briand | i can't even run the script, which (if I read it correctly) I should do from within the scratchbox... but I cannot get into the scratchbox |
| 03:54.57 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 03:55.08 | dospod | anyone kno when that youtube |
| 03:55.15 | unixSnob | and you created a user acct? |
| 03:55.19 | briand | ..which, I assume, is where i'd need to be to set an active target with sb-menu... but if I can't get there, I can't do that so that I can get there. |
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| 03:55.24 | dospod | canola plugin wll be ready |
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| 03:56.06 | KotCzarny | After you have downloaded the script to your local machine, run the |
| 03:56.07 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.14 | KotCzarny | what instruction are you following? |
| 03:56.19 | KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 03:57.00 | unixSnob | (and be sure to provide the -s switch to that script) |
| 03:57.29 | KotCzarny | (if you b0rken sb, yes) |
| 03:57.49 | unixSnob | i had to run <sdk install script>.sh -s /scratchbox in order to get to the next failure point |
| 03:58.26 | KotCzarny | unless you install manually |
| 03:58.28 | unixSnob | at which point i did it all manually in a slightly different order than what's documented in the INSTALL.txt file |
| 03:58.42 | KotCzarny | then you will have to do some commands inside sb |
| 03:59.11 | Navi | dospod, it'll be ready when it's ready |
| 03:59.40 | dospod | :] i want it now |
| 03:59.48 | Navi | As do I |
| 04:01.11 | briand | no, it fails. "Check for scratchbox sessions running..." followed immediately by "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! (repeated 4 times) |
| 04:01.20 | dospod | hmm i wonder if i buy a tv tuner if ill be able to stream video to my n800 |
| 04:01.21 | KotCzarny | vdso |
| 04:01.24 | KotCzarny | turn it off |
| 04:01.31 | KotCzarny | (google for maemo vdso) |
| 04:01.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:02.07 | Navi | Run "echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled" as root. |
| 04:02.13 | Navi | it'll work then. |
| 04:02.15 | briand | dospod: if you set it up and also set up a streaming device (such as gstreamer), then yes. |
| 04:02.17 | KotCzarny | and feed google with error messages |
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| 04:02.52 | KotCzarny | navi: you're making it easy for him :P |
| 04:02.58 | dospod | would it be easy to stream live tv |
| 04:03.13 | KotCzarny | dospod: depending how much bandwidth you have |
| 04:03.16 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:03.25 | dospod | wel |
| 04:03.27 | KotCzarny | tools are available |
| 04:03.29 | dospod | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.46 | dospod | would be local streaming |
| 04:03.47 | briand | thank you, Navi... it seems to be running, now... |
| 04:03.48 | KotCzarny | even mencoder can do the work |
| 04:03.52 | dospod | usually |
| 04:03.59 | dospod | and geez my |
| 04:04.17 | KotCzarny | (compiled with v4l that is) |
| 04:04.38 | dospod | touch screen is messed up |
| 04:04.46 | Navi | briand, is it? |
| 04:04.48 | Navi | er |
| 04:04.50 | Navi | dospod, is it? |
| 04:05.09 | dospod | yes lo |
| 04:05.14 | dospod | lol * |
| 04:05.28 | Navi | sometimes it only looks like it's messed up, but it actually isn't :3 |
| 04:05.41 | briand | I "sold" an n800 yesterday, by logging into my mythtv box and streaming one of the recordings there to my n800. |
| 04:06.05 | KotCzarny | what size? |
| 04:06.07 | Navi | haha |
| 04:06.14 | dospod | the onscreen keyboard is screwy |
| 04:06.23 | Navi | dospod, more details? |
| 04:06.59 | dospod | just recalirated it too |
| 04:07.13 | Navi | What do you mean it's screwy? |
| 04:07.40 | dospod | ih |
| 04:07.44 | dospod | k |
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| 04:08.11 | dospod | it not clicking Where i want it tl |
| 04:08.12 | johnx | try drawing in maemopadplus |
| 04:08.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:08.19 | johnx | and does it seem heat related |
| 04:08.20 | johnx | ? |
| 04:08.23 | KotCzarny | or recalibrating |
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| 04:10.07 | dospod | it prob heat since its every now and then |
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| 04:10.51 | dospod | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.41 | freelikegnu | this looks like a nice app for the DS http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors/ |
| 04:12.07 | KotCzarny | ds? |
| 04:12.51 | briand | ?? maybe he means d10s ? |
| 04:13.04 | johnx | nintendo ds |
| 04:13.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:13.20 | briand | or, maybe johnx has the answer |
| 04:13.23 | briand | ;) |
| 04:14.31 | KotCzarny | A recommended setup is a Nintendo DS Lite, a R4 Revolution flash-cart and 1GB MicroSD Flash Memory Card which in total costs about US $200. |
| 04:15.40 | Navi | Colors is a nice drawing app |
| 04:15.40 | freelikegnu | looks like there is a java port of the app |
| 04:15.45 | Navi | it's limited, hwever. |
| 04:15.47 | Navi | however* |
| 04:15.53 | freelikegnu | http://masscat.afraid.org/ninds/colors_ds.php |
| 04:15.59 | KotCzarny | is there java for n8x0 ? |
| 04:16.05 | johnx | there is mypaint for maemo |
| 04:16.24 | Navi | the thing that annoys me the most about Colors is the lack of an undo function |
| 04:16.41 | briand | don't make any mistakes, then. :) |
| 04:16.47 | Navi | I try. |
| 04:16.52 | KotCzarny | yeah, play safe |
| 04:16.52 | briand | don't we all |
| 04:17.06 | shackan | KotCzarny: there is, somewhat |
| 04:17.29 | KotCzarny | usable? |
| 04:17.50 | shackan | google for jalimo and see yourself |
| 04:19.47 | freelikegnu | mypaint looks nice too |
| 04:20.24 | Navi | mypaint sucks after a while |
| 04:20.34 | johnx | memory usage? |
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| 04:21.19 | Navi | a few general annoyances |
| 04:21.52 | Navi | memory usage could be one. Zoom out too much and crash. Out of memory. |
| 04:22.03 | KotCzarny | enable swap |
| 04:22.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:22.07 | KotCzarny | disable undo |
| 04:22.25 | Navi | swap's taking the 128MB that the tablet came with |
| 04:22.54 | Navi | and disabling undo only helps a tad |
| 04:23.11 | Navi | s/that/minisd that/ |
| 04:23.15 | KotCzarny | you can have as much swap as you want |
| 04:23.20 | KotCzarny | mkswap/swapon |
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| 04:23.48 | Navi | I don't care :P I'm using as much as I want to use. |
| 04:24.55 | KotCzarny | aha :P |
| 04:25.10 | KotCzarny | you are using as much as you can |
| 04:25.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 04:25.34 | Navi | s/can/want/ |
| 04:26.38 | freelikegnu | heres the java colors! http://masscat.afraid.org/ninds/colors_ds.php |
| 04:26.56 | freelikegnu | gnite folks |
| 04:27.01 | johnx | 'night |
| 04:27.20 | Navi | Night |
| 04:31.37 | KotCzarny | http://www.m90.org/gallery/image/no%20doze.jpg |
| 04:31.41 | KotCzarny | chickens. |
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| 05:40.04 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 |
| 05:40.05 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 05:40.54 | johnx | KotCzarny, what's funny about that? |
| 05:41.19 | KotCzarny | 'bug that corrupted mmc while wifi being used, unfixed for a year' |
| 05:41.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:41.31 | KotCzarny | known & unfixed for a year |
| 05:42.12 | johnx | it was a long time until someone tracked it down |
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| 05:45.10 | KotCzarny | looks like n770 was/is bugridden |
| 05:45.36 | johnx | Nokia didn't exactly have the best track record with it |
| 05:45.56 | doc|home | like trying to find a replacement stylus |
| 05:46.03 | Navi | The 770 was like a test-the-water release |
| 05:46.17 | johnx | doc|home, I know what you mean |
| 05:46.21 | johnx | I gave up long ago |
| 05:46.23 | Navi | doc|home, heh |
| 05:46.26 | doc|home | I'm going to find a place and make up a batch |
| 05:46.30 | Navi | :D |
| 05:46.30 | KotCzarny | now i have 2 still |
| 05:47.12 | doc|home | I need to find 2 first, so I can clone them (without the nokia logo of course) |
| 05:47.27 | doc|home | will probably be all plastic too, but better than nothing, right? |
| 05:47.33 | Navi | sure |
| 05:47.34 | KotCzarny | right |
| 05:47.41 | KotCzarny | or grow nails |
| 05:47.48 | doc|home | pointy ones! |
| 05:47.51 | KotCzarny | they work well too |
| 05:48.02 | KotCzarny | don't have to be pointy |
| 05:48.15 | Navi | I still want a full stainless steel stylus (sans the tip) |
| 05:48.18 | KotCzarny | screen is sensitive enough |
| 05:48.31 | KotCzarny | steel would damage the screen |
| 05:49.01 | KotCzarny | [ 0.570312] Bad eraseblock 575 at 0x047e0000 |
| 05:49.06 | KotCzarny | that's scary. |
| 05:49.11 | KotCzarny | [ 0.664062] 0x00280000-0x00480000 : "initfs" |
| 05:49.17 | KotCzarny | and it's located in initfs |
| 05:49.18 | Navi | KotCzarny, [23:43:52] <Navi> I still want a full stainless steel stylus (sans the tip) |
| 05:49.34 | KotCzarny | navi: it's late |
| 05:49.46 | Navi | You're a vampire, why would you care? |
| 05:49.52 | Navi | Late is good for you. |
| 05:50.02 | KotCzarny | bloody eyes |
| 05:50.18 | Navi | Bloody is right, you've been eating too many virgins. |
| 05:50.30 | KotCzarny | only one |
| 05:50.39 | doc|home | Navi: I do like that idea myself, but would be expensive |
| 05:50.47 | doc|home | (full stainless steel) |
| 05:50.53 | Navi | (sans the tip) |
| 05:50.55 | KotCzarny | steel would be heavy too |
| 05:51.06 | doc|home | cost more in materials and assembly |
| 05:51.09 | doc|home | Navi: yeah |
| 05:51.15 | Navi | I like a bit of weight in my hand |
| 05:52.13 | Navi | I'd buy one just for style |
| 05:52.31 | KotCzarny | penis? |
| 05:52.33 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 05:52.39 | Navi | I'd do it myself, but I don't have any equipment easily accessible to me |
| 05:53.18 | Navi | I used to bum off of my uncle's crap, but he moved away. |
| 05:54.00 | KotCzarny | goes well |
| 05:55.12 | KotCzarny | 20h by now |
| 05:55.28 | KotCzarny | with wifi on (but idle most of the time) and screen off |
| 05:56.03 | Navi | only six more days to go! |
| 05:56.10 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 05:56.23 | KotCzarny | i guess it will turn itself off tomorrow |
| 05:56.41 | KotCzarny | anyone know how to check battery level from command line? |
| 05:56.47 | KotCzarny | any /sys interface? |
| 05:57.07 | KotCzarny | (i'm using modified retu-adc now |
| 05:57.09 | KotCzarny | ) |
| 05:57.22 | johnx | google maemo battery status |
| 05:58.34 | KotCzarny | [mbm], I do find the battery status to be odd and incredibly misleading |
| 05:58.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 05:59.11 | johnx | well, it's just reporting the raw data. There's not a secret source of accurate data you can get at |
| 05:59.39 | johnx | a lot of mobile devices with lots of fluctuations in power draw have problems estimating charge remaining |
| 05:59.54 | KotCzarny | but still, how to do that? |
| 05:59.57 | KotCzarny | (from console) |
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| 06:00.14 | johnx | google |
| 06:00.19 | KotCzarny | it's late |
| 06:00.23 | johnx | first result |
| 06:00.29 | johnx | you can hit I'm feeling lucky |
| 06:00.35 | KotCzarny | KDE Settings Recommendations? - Page 5 - Internet Tablet Talk Forums ? |
| 06:04.25 | KotCzarny | nvm. |
| 06:04.28 | KotCzarny | off to sleep. |
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| 06:17.03 | Navi | Are any core dumps saved on the internal flash? |
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| 06:35.47 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 06:36.04 | EruditeHermit | so does anyone know of any stopwatch applications? |
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| 06:36.46 | Navi | stopwatch? There was one on the garage, I believe. |
| 06:38.10 | Navi | EruditeHermit, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/stopwatch/ |
| 06:38.50 | EruditeHermit | its OS2007 |
| 06:39.21 | EruditeHermit | tried installing it already |
| 06:43.24 | Navi | EruditeHermit, I'll build an updated package when I get the chance |
| 06:43.38 | Navi | for now, just try to get a hold of the author and get him to do it |
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| 07:37.50 | cLin | anyone know what ecore is? |
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| 07:41.46 | Tama^2 | I have a suspicion, let me check |
| 07:41.53 | Tama^2 | where have you encountered it? |
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| 07:42.23 | cLin | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 07:42.23 | cLin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.23 | cLin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.27 | cLin | trying to start canola |
| 07:42.28 | Tama^2 | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Ecore |
| 07:42.31 | Tama^2 | there you go |
| 07:44.37 | cLin | shouldnt it come with canola |
| 07:44.41 | cLin | i dont get why iwould get that error |
| 07:44.57 | Tama^2 | it does come with canola |
| 07:45.03 | cLin | hrm. |
| 07:45.19 | Tama^2 | uninstall/re-install time? |
| 07:45.22 | cLin | yep |
| 07:46.54 | cLin | it shouldnt? |
| 07:47.10 | doc|home | because canola is a decent demo of an e based app |
| 07:50.05 | Tama^2 | I wonder why with cairo and pango already supported one needs to fish 'E' out |
| 07:51.04 | Tama^2 | it is a serious question, is there a significant advantage? |
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| 07:52.03 | Navi | Tama^2, to what, using E? |
| 07:52.17 | Tama^2 | yes, in using E |
| 07:52.41 | Tama^2 | over GDK, Cairo & friends |
| 07:52.52 | Navi | Well, over all of those |
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| 07:53.20 | Navi | E provides a fast-as-hell widget tookit that allows you to have nice effects on sucky hardware |
| 07:53.40 | Tama^2 | ok, so gtk sucks |
| 07:53.56 | Navi | gtk has it's place |
| 07:54.01 | Tama^2 | in the toilet? |
| 07:54.03 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 07:54.05 | Navi | Lol |
| 07:54.25 | Tama^2 | I used GTK in the past and never used E |
| 07:54.43 | Navi | Seriously though, E17 runs great on older hardware and still manages to look excelent |
| 07:55.08 | Navi | I'm using it right now, but not for any of the fancy effects |
| 07:55.16 | Navi | I don't really care for them >_> |
| 07:55.19 | Tama^2 | but considering that the system UI flickers and behaves like a drunken monkey and that the only decently looking media player on the platform uses a different toolkit I am starting to wonder... |
| 07:57.37 | Navi | Considering E17 is the Duke Nukem Forever of the WM world, I wouldn't worry too much about it |
| 07:58.00 | Navi | Besides, what UI flickering? |
| 07:58.07 | Navi | Doesn't flicker for me >_> |
| 07:59.07 | Tama^2 | doesn't it flicker when the notification popups appear? |
| 07:59.18 | Tama^2 | or when dialogs adjust their size? |
| 07:59.47 | Tama^2 | I can see them redrawing |
| 08:00.15 | Navi | notification popups? |
| 08:00.20 | Tama^2 | mmmm |
| 08:00.42 | Tama^2 | the "updating" bubble coming up on the upper right corner |
| 08:01.04 | Navi | No, not for me :/ |
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| 08:02.03 | Tama^2 | you are telling me that you do not see half drawn dialogs for a split second on your n800? |
| 08:02.05 | Tama^2 | >.< |
| 08:02.45 | johnx | Tama^2, I know what you mean. the window rectangle is drawn before the pixmaps I think |
| 08:02.58 | johnx | is that what it looks like to you? |
| 08:03.21 | Tama^2 | the pixmaps as well as text |
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| 08:04.53 | johnx | no way around text, but why pixmaps? X| |
| 08:05.10 | Navi | I'm out for the night |
| 08:05.37 | johnx | 'night |
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| 08:06.50 | Tama^2 | night |
| 08:07.09 | Tama^2 | what do you mean "no way around text"? |
| 08:07.11 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 08:07.47 | Navi | You can use pixmaps instead of text! |
| 08:08.11 | johnx | I mean, text is slow to render and kind of a necessity |
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| 08:08.20 | johnx | pixmap gtk themes, not so much |
| 08:09.04 | Tama^2 | but one can freeze the whole window, update text and thaw it, right? |
| 08:09.24 | Tama^2 | shouldn't that fix the flickering? |
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| 08:13.53 | johnx | dunno |
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| 08:41.28 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:50.40 | mbuf | what needs to be installed in maemo 3.x scratchbox to use pygtk? |
| 08:51.01 | mbuf | libgtk2.0-dev is installed; python, python2.3 are already available |
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| 08:52.06 | johnx | I think, something like python2.x-gtk2 |
| 08:53.08 | mbuf | johnx, i need to add anything to repos? |
| 08:53.40 | johnx | I honestly don't know for maemo 3.x |
| 08:53.57 | johnx | apt-cache search python gtk2 |
| 08:53.58 | mbuf | johnx, apt-cache search python only returns python, python2.3, python2.3-tk, python2.3-dev, libxml2-dbg, idle-python2.3 |
| 08:54.06 | johnx | then yes |
| 08:54.16 | johnx | maybe maemo extras? |
| 08:54.45 | johnx | is there any reason in particular you're still using maemo 3.x? |
| 08:55.13 | mbuf | johnx, have N800; and this build is quite old, so still using it |
| 08:55.28 | mbuf | johnx, can chinook be used for N800? |
| 08:55.34 | johnx | yes, of course :) |
| 08:55.41 | mbuf | johnx, i see |
| 08:55.46 | johnx | the N810 and the N800 are basically the same hardware |
| 08:55.56 | mbuf | johnx, but, GPS is additional in N810 |
| 08:56.12 | johnx | yes, but that's fairly minor |
| 08:56.18 | johnx | I have an N800 running OS2008 and scratchbox with chinook |
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| 09:01.35 | hrw | morning |
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| 10:23.03 | daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
| 10:23.09 | daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
| 10:23.21 | daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
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| 10:23.27 | daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
| 10:23.33 | daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
| 10:23.35 | florian | good morning |
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| 10:43.41 | Tama^2 | morning |
| 10:44.02 | onion | is there some RightWay(tm) to listen to headphone button events? |
| 10:44.25 | Tama^2 | if there is I do not know it |
| 10:44.37 | Tama^2 | but I think it must be a dbus event |
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| 10:45.19 | onion | yes, I see messages on dbus |
| 10:45.24 | onion | and hal reports events too.. |
| 10:45.43 | onion | just wondering if there is some standard that should be used |
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| 11:00.03 | *** topic/#maemo is development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
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| 11:06.32 | mbuf | pygtk is available in haf? what is the sources.list apt entry for it? |
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| 11:11.38 | mbuf | ok, had to use, deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free |
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| 11:18.45 | hrw | hmm... lack of python in maemo? |
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| 11:47.47 | admin_ | Hey, just wondering abut this. I use my n770 at school, but if I try to get on one of the wifi nets, it'll try, and then say Network Error. It's a completely open network, and my friend with a PSP can get on and surf fine. Any ideas? |
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| 11:53.18 | admin_ | Any ideas? |
| 11:55.07 | aquatix | do you have xterm on it? |
| 11:55.24 | aquatix | not sure, but maybe there's iwconfig on it, with which you can see some info |
| 11:56.35 | admin_ | yes I do |
| 11:56.46 | admin_ | (have xterm) |
| 11:57.50 | admin_ | It's weird, I can connect to my home net and stuff. In the beginning of the year, I was trying the same thing, I remember I got on , but that had to do with some weird DNS settings tht the router had, although this is a network where you'd normally log into |
| 11:58.16 | aquatix | ah |
| 11:58.16 | admin_ | (I can login , if I needed to, but a friend can get it without loggin in on his PSP, so) |
| 11:58.21 | aquatix | does it use radius? |
| 11:58.25 | aquatix | hm |
| 11:58.29 | admin_ | I'm not familiar with what that is |
| 11:58.38 | admin_ | it's a linksys router, prolly wrt54g |
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| 11:59.01 | aquatix | but normally you have to login on the network |
| 11:59.04 | aquatix | how exactly? |
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| 11:59.23 | admin_ | well, they have their win boxes, you know, win network logon, login/password |
| 11:59.34 | aquatix | ah, k |
| 11:59.48 | aquatix | i thought maybe some authentication for the wifi itself |
| 12:00.06 | admin_ | naaa, it's an open network if that's what you mean |
| 12:00.10 | aquatix | that's why i mentioned radius [that's some authentication server for wifi] |
| 12:00.12 | aquatix | ok |
| 12:00.13 | aquatix | odd |
| 12:00.28 | admin_ | yeah, it just makes no sense, when a PSP can getit :P |
| 12:00.39 | aquatix | the psp also gets IP and such? |
| 12:01.19 | admin_ | yes |
| 12:01.29 | admin_ | it can roam on the web |
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| 12:02.39 | admin_ | any ideas? I'm about to leave for school , aquatix :P |
| 12:02.53 | aquatix | nope :( |
| 12:03.00 | aquatix | it should Just Work(tm) imho |
| 12:03.03 | admin_ | ok, thanks :P' |
| 12:03.04 | admin_ | haha |
| 12:03.05 | aquatix | but apparently it doesn't |
| 12:03.07 | admin_ | seeya |
| 12:03.12 | aquatix | ok, hf |
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| 13:12.33 | rafl | i wonder why the firmware flashing wiki page says that the battery should be fully charged before flashing |
| 13:12.50 | johnx | because it would really suck a lot if you ran out of batter power while flashing |
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| 13:14.07 | rafl | johnx: it says that you should plug in the charger during flashing anyway. |
| 13:15.15 | johnx | hmm...I wonder if it's actually able to charge while flashing |
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| 13:15.49 | johnx | probably just one of those cases of "better safe than sorry" |
| 13:15.58 | rafl | i see |
| 13:16.02 | rafl | thanks. |
| 13:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | It can, johnx. |
| 13:19.51 | johnx | but the user can also pull the cord in the middle of the flash, and it definitely doesn't have a check to see if you have the cord plugged in |
| 13:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | Or the power could go out. |
| 13:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | etc, etc |
| 13:22.04 | johnx | it's interesting that it doesn't force you to have the AC plugged int though |
| 13:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | More complicated than it's worth. |
| 13:24.25 | johnx | I suppose. it would suck a lot of it died while nolo was flashing though |
| 13:24.56 | johnx | s/of it/of something bad if it/g |
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| 13:50.44 | johnx | tonight's hack: hildon desktop on a zaurus :) |
| 13:50.58 | glass | heh |
| 13:51.34 | johnx | I need to lose the left "navigation bar" bar, but I never liked it anyways |
| 13:53.16 | briand | johnx: sounds easier than my task... |
| 13:53.24 | johnx | what are you up to? |
| 13:53.30 | briand | I finished installing the SDK/dev kit on my FC5 box... |
| 13:54.12 | briand | ...but cannot find/install Xephyr for fc5... so I'm (trying to) upgrade that box t FC8... and the install/upgrade process keeps getting stuck. :/ |
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| 13:54.50 | johnx | I've never had good luck with redhat system upgrades |
| 13:54.58 | johnx | did you try to go straight from 5 to 8? |
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| 13:55.06 | johnx | that's a lot of numbers... |
| 13:56.21 | briand | supposedly, it's not a problem... |
| 13:56.30 | briand | but I think there's an issue with this particular hardware... |
| 13:56.55 | johnx | I sympathize with the you in regards to troublesome hardware :/ |
| 13:57.06 | briand | I had trouble with it before (3 -> 4, 4 -> 5), too. I can't remember exactly what I had to do to get around it... |
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| 13:57.14 | briand | "nodma" something or other?? :shrug: |
| 13:57.36 | johnx | I just need to stop cheaping out on hardware |
| 13:57.43 | johnx | I always do this to myself |
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| 14:07.06 | hahlo | is there something wrong with pidgin? didn't see what others write in irc, they saw my writings |
| 14:07.39 | johnx | I know not everyone likes it but I think it at least works for other people |
| 14:08.42 | hahlo | it should work in irc then? |
| 14:08.50 | johnx | I think so |
| 14:10.39 | hahlo | there isn't irssi for 2008 anywhere? |
| 14:11.44 | johnx | hahlo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16659&highlight=irssi |
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| 14:11.50 | briand | i've never used it for irc... works for me okay on aim/yahoo IM, though |
| 14:11.51 | johnx | there's also rtcomm irc and xchat |
| 14:12.25 | briand | johnx: i think the repo is broken for xchat... i couldn't install it |
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| 14:12.36 | hahlo | good, irssi is my favorite |
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| 14:15.37 | GeneralAntilles | briand, there is no repo. |
| 14:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 14:16.13 | briand | GeneralAntilles: there are several repos! ;) |
| 14:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | s/repo/xchat repo/ |
| 14:16.35 | briand | ...and, one of them contains xchat, because it shows up in my application mangler. |
| 14:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | That would be Bora Extras. |
| 14:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | s/repo/spoon/ |
| 14:17.53 | briand | ...my life is measured out in coffee spoons... |
| 14:18.13 | johnx | mmm...coffee |
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| 14:40.15 | SDuensin | Morning. |
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| 14:59.49 | briand | well, this "upgrade" thing just isn't working, and I'm getting increasingly annoyed at trying it... |
| 15:00.31 | briand | so, can anybody help me get Xephyr installed on a Fedora Core 5 installation, since I can't get the machine upgraded to Fedora Core 8 ? |
| 15:01.48 | tank-man | i'm having trouble with xephyr too, i think im going to try downloading the vmware image instead |
| 15:02.19 | briand | the only "trouble" I'm having with xephyr is "finding it" |
| 15:03.31 | tank-man | its part of xorg |
| 15:03.58 | tank-man | i know on slackware, its not built in slackware |
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| 15:07.13 | briand | apparently, it's not in the Fedora Core 5 repositories |
| 15:08.01 | briand | i've seen references on the web to it being in the FC7 (and presumably, FC8) repositories, but I'm having no luck upgrading that box to FC8, so... |
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| 15:13.07 | jeddy3 | my n800 has been completely lifeless since saturday...any suggestions? |
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| 15:14.18 | jeddy3 | today i'm trying to remove the battery for 12 hours or something |
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| 15:20.12 | hrw | is there some kind of list which maemo components are open and which are not? |
| 15:20.52 | pupnik | jeddy3 - removing battery for several hours, then warming slightly is said to allow a restart |
| 15:21.26 | jeddy3 | pupnik, _warming?_ |
| 15:21.38 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 15:21.44 | pupnik | this is just hearsay |
| 15:21.48 | jeddy3 | :D |
| 15:22.08 | Spakman_ | I can set program defaults by editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list - is there a way to do this without root privs? I'd like my application to give users the option to set the default application. |
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| 15:27.57 | pupnik | is there an easy/safe way to prune /usr/share/locale? 14.2 MB of stuff in there |
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| 15:28.46 | pupnik | osso-help also has 8 MB of stuff i don't need |
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| 15:30.41 | hrw | pupnik: debian has localepurge package for it |
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| 15:30.56 | hrw | pupnik: or you can remove all not needed locales by hand |
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| 15:50.48 | pupnik | thanks hrw - i used to just rm -r the unneeded ones, but do you know if something needs to be re-indexed after that? |
| 15:51.47 | hrw | rather nothing |
| 15:59.32 | pupnik | k thanks |
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| 16:01.50 | KotCzarny | yawn |
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| 16:14.56 | desertc | Anyone around the Nashville area? |
| 16:15.11 | desertc | Looking for a presenter for a Linux User Group on the topic of Maemo. |
| 16:16.15 | pupnik | desertc: tried internettablettalk.com forums? |
| 16:16.28 | desertc | I'll check there, thanks. |
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| 16:17.37 | desertc | You think I should post in the Developers forum? |
| 16:18.09 | pupnik | i guess so, or in general |
| 16:18.22 | pupnik | you want a user-side intro or an intro to maemo development...? |
| 16:19.02 | KotCzarny | 11:13:40 up 1 day, 7:41, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 16:19.07 | desertc | I was thinking Intro to Portable Programming, Why Maemo is Best UI for Portables, My Experiences with Maemo |
| 16:19.07 | KotCzarny | not bad |
| 16:19.52 | hrw | desertc: Best? Good |
| 16:20.13 | desertc | Sure |
| 16:20.28 | hrw | I mean: it is not best ui. It is good ui |
| 16:20.47 | desertc | Yeap, I understand. I'm not picky. |
| 16:20.56 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:21.07 | Proteous | don't belive him, he picks the onions off of his pizza |
| 16:21.10 | aquatix | but i haven't done anything on it for over an hour |
| 16:21.17 | KotCzarny | aquatix: my battery test is still running |
| 16:21.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:21.32 | KotCzarny | and watching retu-adc value |
| 16:21.33 | KotCzarny | s |
| 16:21.59 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 16:22.02 | KotCzarny | i guess on n800 battery voltage is field #6 not #2 as on 770 |
| 16:22.39 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png |
| 16:22.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:22.50 | aquatix | whoa, wtf: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/eyes-on-asus-first-gaming-desktop-ares-cg6150/ |
| 16:22.54 | aquatix | </oftopic> |
| 16:23.23 | pupnik | looking at mencoder here - looks like lavc has way more useful options than xvid |
| 16:23.24 | aquatix | interesting graph |
| 16:23.32 | KotCzarny | nice case |
| 16:23.46 | hrw | pupnik: lavc has lot of stuff inside |
| 16:23.56 | KotCzarny | aquatix: it would be nice to know what are the meaning of those fields |
| 16:24.02 | aquatix | KotCzarny: can you spell Transformer? ;) |
| 16:24.10 | KotCzarny | 1 & 4 looks like a temperature |
| 16:24.40 | aquatix | 4? it's quite a straight line |
| 16:24.56 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 16:24.59 | aquatix | maybe more a cpu voltage line or something? |
| 16:25.00 | KotCzarny | i meant red and blue |
| 16:25.39 | aquatix | ah, right |
| 16:25.55 | aquatix | they are related indeed |
| 16:26.03 | KotCzarny | probably 0 1 and 2 are temperatures |
| 16:26.04 | aquatix | case and cpu temp or something |
| 16:26.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 16:28.12 | pupnik | hrw: do you know if lavc can make use of two-pass .log data? or does lavc encoder do lookahead for motion-compensation ? |
| 16:28.39 | hrw | pupnik: iirc it make use of it |
| 16:28.52 | hrw | it is long time since I did video conversion |
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| 16:30.00 | pupnik | cool. I'm a big fan of throwing-away info from dark regions, and lowering quality at screen edges :) |
| 16:30.35 | pupnik | ah yes it does support two-pass |
| 16:31.14 | pupnik | gonna crunch this movie to sub-300MB without serious degradation :) |
| 16:31.21 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 16:31.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:31.39 | KotCzarny | just downscale it ;) |
| 16:31.40 | pupnik | there's a lot of black |
| 16:31.55 | pupnik | i have to downscale anyway |
| 16:32.28 | hrw | btw - I wonder which software people miss most in maemo repositories |
| 16:32.44 | KotCzarny | games? |
| 16:32.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:33.09 | hrw | hm. doom or quake on n810 should be playable ;D |
| 16:33.17 | KotCzarny | ja2 too |
| 16:33.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:35.12 | ccooke | hrw: ... except for the controls :-) |
| 16:35.28 | hrw | ccooke: indeed |
| 16:35.34 | KotCzarny | external mouse&kb ? |
| 16:35.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:38.28 | hrw | I even have spare ones |
| 16:38.39 | hrw | but would need usb host cable first |
| 16:39.04 | KotCzarny | bt? |
| 16:39.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 16:42.34 | hrw | hi pH5 |
| 16:43.08 | pH5 | hej hrw |
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| 16:43.47 | pupnik | think i should be using vorbis to transcode - if ssvb is making a faster vfp vorbis decoder? |
| 16:43.53 | pupnik | ogg/audio |
| 16:44.00 | KotCzarny | test it |
| 16:44.50 | lopz | hi |
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| 16:50.51 | ssvb | pupnik: it is too early to , in addition vorbis can' |
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| 16:51.40 | ssvb | pupnik: sorry, messed up the message, I mean it may take a long time to optimize and vorbis is not supported in avi files |
| 16:51.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:52.07 | pupnik | oh mencoder let me put vorbis in just now |
| 16:52.11 | hrw | ssvb: avi is just contener |
| 16:52.12 | pupnik | (?) |
| 16:52.19 | KotCzarny | 'container' |
| 16:52.19 | hrw | it can contain anything inside |
| 16:52.22 | pupnik | i mean ogg audio (lavc) |
| 16:52.25 | hrw | KotCzarny: right |
| 16:52.36 | KotCzarny | pupnik, try mpeg2 ? |
| 16:52.49 | KotCzarny | it can scale quite smoothly |
| 16:52.53 | pupnik | lol |
| 16:53.04 | KotCzarny | mpeg2video |
| 16:53.06 | KotCzarny | that is |
| 16:53.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:53.21 | KotCzarny | and in the bonus you can make svcd of it later ;) |
| 16:53.40 | pupnik | yes i like watching blocky chunky video with no motion compensation |
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| 16:53.47 | pupnik | --- not |
| 16:54.16 | KotCzarny | it has 225dpi screen |
| 16:54.22 | KotCzarny | you won't see much blocks |
| 16:54.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:54.41 | ssvb | hrw, pupnik: probably derf can explain better, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats (vorbis is problematic comment) |
| 16:55.41 | hrw | my favorite container was IFF years ago |
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| 16:56.48 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.45 | KotCzarny | also if gst issues will get fixed |
| 16:57.45 | pupnik | btw adding noise on playback is fun :) reduces banding |
| 16:57.51 | KotCzarny | youu will want mp3/aac anyway |
| 16:58.01 | pupnik | good poitn |
| 16:58.21 | KotCzarny | unless someone writes dsp code to decode vorbis |
| 16:58.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:58.37 | ssvb | pupnik: btw, thanks for noticing that esd is initialized for 44.1KHz and audio is actually decoded at 48KHz, this explains extra cpu usage - mplayer is resampling audio |
| 17:00.24 | pupnik | you're welcome! |
| 17:00.25 | pH5 | where is lardman btw? |
| 17:00.30 | ssvb | KotCzarny: lardman has been working on it, see his project: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/ |
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| 17:00.57 | KotCzarny | pre-alpha :/ |
| 17:00.58 | hrw | I wonder when esound will finally stop being used |
| 17:01.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 17:01.32 | KotCzarny | would it be hard to write dsp mixing code for gst? |
| 17:01.38 | KotCzarny | that would replace esd |
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| 17:02.53 | ssvb | pupnik: I experimented with esd at 48KHz, but it is unreliable when changing volume, it deadlocks sometimes |
| 17:03.29 | pupnik | so .. just use -ao sdl to avoid resampling? |
| 17:04.12 | ssvb | pupnik: we did not have this problem before as mplayer also changed audio volume itself 'in software' without using esd api for this |
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| 17:05.04 | ssvb | pupnik: I think I will find more or less reliable and fast solution for sound |
| 17:05.29 | ssvb | pupnik: sdl has lipsync problems :) |
| 17:05.35 | KotCzarny | dspsink? |
| 17:05.36 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:05.57 | ssvb | KotCzarny: dsptask :) |
| 17:06.03 | pupnik | i wonder if the dsp could handle mp3 decoding while running at a lower clockrate? |
| 17:06.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:06.14 | KotCzarny | pupnik: yes |
| 17:06.24 | ssvb | KotCzarny: 'sink' is a gstreamer thing |
| 17:06.51 | KotCzarny | ssvb: so is it possible to mplayer use dsptask directly? |
| 17:06.55 | KotCzarny | without need for gst? |
| 17:07.11 | KotCzarny | or esd/sdl in that matter |
| 17:07.21 | ssvb | pupnik: yes, it can, there was a report in maemo-developers list |
| 17:07.38 | pupnik | good news :) |
| 17:07.45 | pH5 | KotCzarny: you'd basically have to recreate the code in dspaudio.c from gst-plugins-dsp |
| 17:08.12 | KotCzarny | but maybe it will resolve sync problems? |
| 17:08.36 | KotCzarny | or they come from dsptask not from gst implementation? |
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| 17:09.33 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95363&postcount=10 |
| 17:09.36 | ssvb | pupnik: bad news is that nokia apparently is not going to officially support 400/133 mode for working with dynamic dsp tasks |
| 17:09.44 | ssvb | pupnik: let me find a link |
| 17:09.54 | KotCzarny | ssvb, wasn't there a patch? |
| 17:10.21 | pupnik | is it a problem with power supply? |
| 17:10.31 | ssvb | KotCzarny: is this patch clean? |
| 17:10.45 | KotCzarny | ssvb, i have yet to flash my device.. |
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| 17:11.12 | KotCzarny | i'm rather reluctant because i tend to fsck up those kind of things on the first try ;) |
| 17:11.16 | xdemon | hi all! |
| 17:11.33 | xdemon | is it possible to install dpkgs on memory card? OS2008, 51-3 |
| 17:11.33 | ssvb | KotCzarny: for any patch to get accepted upstream, it must not to introduce any regressions |
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| 17:12.07 | KotCzarny | xdamon: just move your whole sys to mmc |
| 17:12.16 | ssvb | KotCzarny: for example, did you check that VOIP works reliably with lower DSP clock frequency? |
| 17:12.36 | KotCzarny | ssvb: it was configurable via /proc setting afair |
| 17:12.48 | KotCzarny | so one could switch modes on will |
| 17:13.12 | xdemon | KotCzarny: its possible? |
| 17:13.19 | KotCzarny | xdemon: look for the howto for booting from mmc |
| 17:13.25 | xdemon | oh, ok |
| 17:13.50 | pupnik | xdemon: you can also symlink directories to your data card |
| 17:14.04 | KotCzarny | yes, for example whole /usr |
| 17:14.05 | ssvb | KotCzarny: who would be the one? internet tablets use multitasking os with the possibility to run many applications at once :) |
| 17:14.16 | KotCzarny | but then you will get into problems when connecting usb |
| 17:14.18 | KotCzarny | etc. |
| 17:14.29 | KotCzarny | ssvb: user's will |
| 17:14.34 | KotCzarny | statusbar applet? |
| 17:14.34 | ssvb | KotCzarny: there may be some use cases where it could fail |
| 17:15.07 | KotCzarny | laptops have dockable utils for that |
| 17:15.44 | KotCzarny | ie. if user wants to have control over pm |
| 17:16.00 | KotCzarny | and not relay on automatic settings |
| 17:16.11 | ssvb | KotCzarny: well, you don't need to convince me, better try talking to Nokia guys :) |
| 17:16.19 | KotCzarny | ssvb: but the idea is, you watch mplayer, you don't talk on skype |
| 17:16.28 | KotCzarny | you won't have cpu left for skype anyway |
| 17:16.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:16.50 | KotCzarny | ssvb: do they come to freenode? ;) |
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| 17:19.42 | KotCzarny | also, sometimes getting something working is enough to make it go upstream ;) |
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| 17:22.38 | ssvb | pupnik: here it is - http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32216 (check for comments from Igor Stoppa explaining why more intelligent frequency scaling is tricky) |
| 17:22.42 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:22.49 | KotCzarny | i saw a ga photo |
| 17:22.50 | KotCzarny | right now |
| 17:23.00 | KotCzarny | my goggles! |
| 17:23.01 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 17:30.50 | derf | There _is_ a Vorbis mapping for AVI. It is not a particularly good mapping, and there is little software support for it, but it does exist. |
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| 17:33.17 | ssvb | derf: thanks for the information, does ffmpeg support it right? |
| 17:33.30 | derf | ffmpeg invented it... I sure hope they support it right. |
| 17:33.39 | ssvb | :) |
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| 17:34.55 | derf | A couple of other projects like avidemux have implemented (decode-only) support for it. |
| 17:35.23 | derf | But I don't think any of the major media frameworks have (DirectShow, Quicktime, gstreamer). |
| 17:35.47 | hrw | there is gst-plugin-ffmpeg... |
| 17:35.48 | derf | gstreamer might be able to get support through their ffmpeg plugin... I'm not sure. |
| 17:36.01 | derf | Try it and see. |
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| 17:39.34 | pH5 | hm, with my home-built kernel wireless doesn't work |
| 17:39.39 | pH5 | "WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted" |
| 17:39.40 | pupnik | damnit why is mencoder lavc ignoring all my rate controls? it's insisting on 630MB filesize no matter what |
| 17:39.46 | pH5 | what could be the reason for that? |
| 17:39.47 | KotCzarny | copy umac.ko from original initfs |
| 17:40.03 | ssvb | pH5: are you using dummy umac.ko? |
| 17:40.18 | pH5 | ssvb: probably not. where can I read about this? |
| 17:41.27 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.30 | ssvb | pH5: somewhere on maemo wiki, umac.ko is a closed source module, so some dummy module which clones its API is included in cx3110x package |
| 17:42.19 | pH5 | KotCzarny, ssvb: thanks |
| 17:42.38 | KotCzarny | there are others too |
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| 17:52.34 | xdemon | is it possible to use internal memory for sys apps and SD card for games? |
| 17:52.44 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 17:53.26 | xdemon | EXPORT=? |
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| 17:53.41 | KotCzarny | depends on game |
| 17:53.55 | KotCzarny | some are already packaged to use mmc |
| 17:54.17 | pupnik | ahh fixed it.. need vrc_buf_size |
| 17:54.20 | xdemon | huh... which of them? |
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| 17:55.28 | xdemon | pupnik: what's the status of snes9x port? |
| 17:56.19 | pupnik | sound needs either an oss backend wrapper or esd/alsa/sdl backend |
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| 17:56.31 | pupnik | also more scaling options would be good |
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| 18:17.32 | xdemon | huh... so any man for installing apps to card? |
| 18:17.33 | pupnik | wb Luria |
| 18:17.44 | xdemon | without mmc booting |
| 18:17.48 | pupnik | xdemon: interested in working on a snes emu? |
| 18:17.57 | xdemon | pupnik: |
| 18:17.58 | xdemon | yes |
| 18:18.14 | xdemon | i am interesting in working mame, gba, and snes emu |
| 18:18.26 | xdemon | this is best gaming platforms for pda |
| 18:18.33 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 18:18.39 | KotCzarny | n830 may be |
| 18:19.08 | xdemon | also i hear that n800 has video card similar to n95 |
| 18:19.16 | hrw | xdemon: same |
| 18:19.25 | KotCzarny | but unsupported 3d |
| 18:19.37 | xdemon | how it can be possible? |
| 18:19.40 | hrw | xdemon: both use omap2420 cpu and built-in video controler |
| 18:19.40 | xdemon | no drivers? |
| 18:19.42 | KotCzarny | moaney? |
| 18:19.45 | KotCzarny | money |
| 18:19.49 | hrw | money and license |
| 18:19.51 | pupnik | normally you can't run apps from a vfat partition but if some things in /usr/share or /usr/local/share take up much space, you can move them to mmc and symlink to them. don't listen to KotCzarny |
| 18:20.15 | KotCzarny | pupnik: question wasn't vfat partition but mmc card |
| 18:20.17 | KotCzarny | in general |
| 18:20.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:20.21 | xdemon | huh, hope nokia allow using videoadapter in OS2009 :D |
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| 18:20.31 | KotCzarny | videoadapter? |
| 18:20.38 | xdemon | video card |
| 18:21.00 | xdemon | quake 2... so... port uses cpu only? |
| 18:21.07 | hrw | I do not thinnk that nokia will release 3d for n8xx devices |
| 18:21.14 | KotCzarny | yes i guess |
| 18:21.32 | xdemon | =( |
| 18:21.33 | hrw | n800 is quite long on market and nothing about 3d drivers was released |
| 18:21.35 | xdemon | too bad |
| 18:21.48 | hrw | I wonder do they have them at all |
| 18:21.50 | KotCzarny | n810 uses same chip |
| 18:21.51 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 18:21.51 | xdemon | but n810 doesn't use it too? |
| 18:22.10 | hrw | n810 is n800 + gps + keyboard + other case/screen |
| 18:22.20 | jaska_ | the gps seems pretty.. useless |
| 18:22.26 | KotCzarny | and -sd slot + 2gb internal flash |
| 18:22.36 | xdemon | KotCzarny: +1 |
| 18:22.37 | jaska_ | youd probably fix your position by rolling dice faster than it does |
| 18:22.44 | KotCzarny | 1? specs show 2 |
| 18:22.49 | hrw | KotCzarny: that 2gb internal flash is done as sd card |
| 18:22.57 | xdemon | thats why i purchase n800 |
| 18:23.07 | xdemon | +1 means that i accept with you |
| 18:23.07 | dtahtbot | xdemon: Error: "1" is not a valid command. |
| 18:23.12 | KotCzarny | hww: is it? i have read it's quite good quality flash |
| 18:23.55 | hrw | KotCzarny: it is connected as sd/mmc card |
| 18:23.58 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 18:24.26 | xdemon | soo... last time... is there is any way to run, for example, battle for wesnoth from internal MMC card with OS2008 (n800)? |
| 18:24.29 | hrw | so it is sd/mmc card. |
| 18:24.54 | KotCzarny | hrw: technically |
| 18:24.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:24.57 | jaska_ | been thinking about reformatting the internal sd with ext2 |
| 18:25.10 | hrw | KotCzarny: remember that sd/mmc/cf/xd/etc cards are done as flash chip + wires/controler |
| 18:25.12 | KotCzarny | jaska, you're better off with jffs2 |
| 18:25.21 | KotCzarny | hrw: i know |
| 18:25.31 | xdemon | So... i guess no way at now |
| 18:25.35 | KotCzarny | but if i say 'sd' i mean whole card |
| 18:25.37 | jaska_ | kotc: but.. i dont think the sd exports raw flash suitable for jffs2 |
| 18:25.39 | hrw | KotCzarny: you cannot format sd/mmc card with jffs2 |
| 18:25.55 | KotCzarny | hrw: what stops me from that? |
| 18:26.03 | jaska_ | it has its own wear leveling layer in front of it |
| 18:26.13 | hrw | KotCzarny: jffs2 require mtd interface |
| 18:26.25 | hrw | sd/mmc does not have mtd interface |
| 18:26.26 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:26.54 | xdemon | also, how i can freed some space on internal memory? |
| 18:27.14 | jaska_ | otherwise i would :) |
| 18:27.30 | hrw | xdemon: remove videos, audios, pdfs. then look into /usr/share/locale/ and remove what you do not need |
| 18:27.47 | xdemon | oh, ok |
| 18:27.57 | KotCzarny | btw. having sd card inserted draws power |
| 18:28.08 | xdemon | so... how i can install GAMES on internal SD? i have 8 gigs SDHC |
| 18:28.09 | jaska_ | i probably should nuke all my localestuff thats not en_GB/fi_FI |
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| 18:28.15 | KotCzarny | so having 2 cards draws more power |
| 18:28.51 | KotCzarny | 5.0M locale |
| 18:28.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:28.58 | jaska_ | o.O |
| 18:29.34 | hrw | you can also remove some software probably but I would not recommend it |
| 18:29.49 | hrw | maemo packaging has lot of internal bugs |
| 18:29.58 | jaska_ | i wonder how badly you need to mess it up so that you cant flash it via usb |
| 18:30.15 | KotCzarny | probably hard |
| 18:30.20 | jaska_ | dont really feel like finding a coldflashing serial cable :) |
| 18:30.25 | hrw | jaska_: flash /dev/urandom as bootlaoder |
| 18:30.50 | mb___ | jaska_: which pins are used by such a cable? |
| 18:31.02 | mb___ | or rather pads |
| 18:31.10 | jaska_ | uuh.. i forgot, just saw something about that |
| 18:31.31 | hrw | mb___: http://del.icio.us/hrw/ - I bookmarked it iirc |
| 18:31.40 | mb___ | is it jtag or something similiar? |
| 18:32.05 | hrw | yep - 3rd link |
| 18:32.11 | hrw | mb___: no - normal serial port |
| 18:32.24 | hrw | I do not know where jtag connector is |
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| 18:34.00 | mb___ | hrw: Ah, I have access to the serial. I wonder how flashing works? Does the early bootloader have any hooks? |
| 18:34.15 | pupnik | xdemon: to see space used by directories use the command "du -s /path/to/whatever/* |sort -n" |
| 18:34.38 | xdemon | i know it |
| 18:34.44 | hrw | mb___: I do not have such informations |
| 18:34.45 | KotCzarny | du -sx to be exact |
| 18:34.45 | pupnik | ok apologies |
| 18:34.46 | xdemon | i use linux on my homepc |
| 18:34.48 | xdemon | debian |
| 18:34.49 | xdemon | but |
| 18:34.56 | KotCzarny | otherwise you will follow symlinks |
| 18:34.56 | xdemon | is there is any way to run, for example, battle for wesnoth from internal MMC card with OS2008 (n800)? |
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| 18:35.02 | KotCzarny | thish is not effective |
| 18:35.20 | KotCzarny | which |
| 18:35.41 | xdemon | any automated way? script? |
| 18:35.41 | pupnik | xdemon - as I have said, i put large game data on mmc and symlink to it from wherever in the root filesystem |
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| 18:36.12 | mb___ | hrw: here's what I found out about the n810 serial console, btw: http://bu3sch.de/n810.php Maybe that's useful to you, too. |
| 18:36.16 | KotCzarny | xdemon: it's nearly debian inside |
| 18:36.20 | pupnik | I'm trying to make games find their data on mmc1 or mmc2 instead of installing to /usr/share |
| 18:36.25 | KotCzarny | so anything you know about debian applies |
| 18:36.31 | KotCzarny | (or other distro) |
| 18:36.39 | xdemon | sinve it have apt, huh |
| 18:36.41 | xdemon | its debian |
| 18:36.46 | hrw | nearly is strong word.... |
| 18:36.49 | KotCzarny | pupnik: symlinks |
| 18:37.08 | pupnik | glasses |
| 18:37.08 | hrw | xdemon: fedora can have apt too.. |
| 18:37.16 | KotCzarny | ie. to use ~/.MyDocs/games to point to games on users preferred location |
| 18:37.24 | KotCzarny | then installing to ~/.MyDocs/games |
| 18:37.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:37.33 | KotCzarny | or even better ~/games |
| 18:37.33 | xdemon | but apt come from debian? fedora is rpm besed |
| 18:38.11 | pupnik | KotCzarny: yes that's maybe not a bad idea to put the symlink under MyDocs - would let gui users install game data |
| 18:38.25 | KotCzarny | pupnik: nope |
| 18:38.29 | pupnik | for e.g. for some engines like duke3d |
| 18:38.31 | KotCzarny | even .deb could use it |
| 18:38.44 | KotCzarny | and copy files to proper place |
| 18:39.10 | pupnik | ah well mmc1/2 is fine also - users can unpack their data to it as well |
| 18:39.29 | KotCzarny | pupnik: the idea behind the symlink is that |
| 18:39.36 | KotCzarny | user will choose which mmc to use |
| 18:39.47 | KotCzarny | and package maintainer doesn't have to know that |
| 18:39.51 | KotCzarny | only symlink location |
| 18:39.56 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 18:40.29 | KotCzarny | it can even be regular dir |
| 18:40.36 | KotCzarny | if one doesn't have any sd cards |
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| 18:43.31 | hrw | xdemon: apt is package fetcher/info tool |
| 18:43.39 | KotCzarny | apt-get |
| 18:43.41 | KotCzarny | to be exact |
| 18:43.42 | hrw | xdemon: there are rpm distros whic use apt |
| 18:43.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:43.48 | hrw | KotCzarny: apt-get is tool |
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| 18:44.02 | KotCzarny | <hrw> xdemon: apt is package fetcher/info tool |
| 18:44.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:44.04 | hrw | for me apt == apt+apt-utils |
| 18:44.14 | hrw | KotCzarny: apt-cache is info tool ;D |
| 18:44.14 | KotCzarny | you have said 'tool' |
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| 18:44.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:45.17 | hrw | ;D |
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| 18:50.16 | Veggen | hmmf. I do wish package management/patching was done a little more the debian way... |
| 18:50.50 | Veggen | i.e. not by waiting for next release and then reinstalling everything but by updating incrementally. |
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| 18:53.48 | Veggen | ...I know it's being worked on, I'm just impatient. And right now, I'd really want a fixed hildon-application-manager package :) |
| 18:53.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:54.05 | KotCzarny | just use ssh |
| 18:54.39 | KotCzarny | i decided to do it after i couldn't find a way to resize the colums |
| 18:54.42 | KotCzarny | columns |
| 18:54.50 | KotCzarny | btw. is hildon-application-manager open? |
| 18:55.05 | KotCzarny | it should be simple to cut long version strings when displaying |
| 18:55.21 | KotCzarny | without losing too much of usability |
| 18:55.31 | Veggen | KotCzarny: it is. Just downloaded the source. But I also see in bugzilla that it's supposed to be fixed in the next version. |
| 18:55.32 | KotCzarny | (it still would be checkable in details) |
| 18:56.06 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:56.14 | KotCzarny | what's the link to the source? |
| 18:56.34 | Veggen | I got it via apt-get source in my scratchbox setup. |
| 18:56.48 | KotCzarny | let's see |
| 18:57.30 | Veggen | but that, I think, is the version that is installed. Not the fixed version - which I presume should be available from some source code repository somewhere. |
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| 18:59.47 | hrw | next version will be os2009 :( |
| 19:00.02 | Veggen | diablo? |
| 19:01.07 | jku | Veggen, in garage |
| 19:01.31 | jku | the source repo is in the garage project I mean |
| 19:02.14 | jku | but be aware that installing newer versions of system packages is a bit tricky... |
| 19:02.22 | KotCzarny | do i build that source specially? |
| 19:02.30 | KotCzarny | via dpkg build or something? |
| 19:02.50 | Veggen | jku: I'm willing to risk it :) |
| 19:03.29 | Veggen | KotCzarny: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage worked for me. |
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| 19:03.38 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 19:03.44 | jku | osso-software-version depends on specific versions, and not having osso-software-version makes Application Manager unhappy, if I recall correctly |
| 19:04.06 | jku | not 100% about the last point though |
| 19:04.23 | Veggen | jku: not that unhappy, I think. I have the rtcomm beta installed, and I haven't seen any major breakage... |
| 19:04.46 | jku | rtcomm conflicts with osso-software-version? |
| 19:05.29 | jku | probably does... well, that's good to know |
| 19:06.44 | Veggen | ...unless appmanager crashing sporadically can be attributed to that, but I think it's always been rather buggy that way? |
| 19:08.50 | Veggen | (found the svn source. gonna try building...I'm willing to risk it :) |
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| 19:09.54 | Veggen | I don't really have anything important on it that can't be easily installed from backup. |
| 19:09.57 | ulises | evening all |
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| 19:11.20 | unixSnob | Are you folks using skype or gizmo, or openwengo? |
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| 19:11.56 | xdemon | i use built-in sip client |
| 19:12.09 | KotCzarny | sound is nice |
| 19:12.13 | unixSnob | i understand that grandcentral can be combined with gizmo to get free calls both ways.. not sure if they closed that loophole yet |
| 19:12.20 | xdemon | its enought for me since i have my own asterisk server.. |
| 19:12.29 | Veggen | xdemon: same here. |
| 19:12.30 | lcuk | but not when all your mates have skype video support |
| 19:12.35 | unixSnob | xD no video? Ha |
| 19:12.35 | xdemon | haha |
| 19:12.44 | xdemon | i m not one =) |
| 19:12.46 | KotCzarny | internal cam sucks anyway |
| 19:12.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:13.11 | Veggen | "nice" webcam? |
| 19:13.20 | Veggen | it's rather low quality. |
| 19:13.30 | KotCzarny | lower-low |
| 19:13.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:13.32 | lcuk | ok, nice idea - its in the right place |
| 19:13.33 | unixSnob | i definately need something dependable.. this will be for talking to recuiters |
| 19:13.46 | Veggen | I don't really see the use for it until it's better :) |
| 19:13.58 | unixSnob | And the uplink is evdo.. so it has to be lean |
| 19:14.03 | KotCzarny | anyone tried playing twith it and v4l app? |
| 19:14.25 | Veggen | nuts. it needs a new libapt-pkg-dev |
| 19:14.28 | KotCzarny | kernel config shows it under v4l |
| 19:14.35 | Veggen | (the new hildon-application-manager) |
| 19:14.44 | lcuk | its no use - on 810 it points at you and about the only thing you can do is take a self shot once or twice then it becomes boring |
| 19:15.04 | lcuk | uit has no application - its like a frikkin appendix |
| 19:16.28 | KotCzarny | that's why i asked about v4l apps |
| 19:16.39 | KotCzarny | xawtv etc. |
| 19:17.03 | KotCzarny | veggen: 2.0.2 fails with: configure: error: libapt-pkg not found. |
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| 19:17.24 | pupnik | hmm i could sell usb tv receivers for tablets |
| 19:17.48 | unixSnob | like the plextor convertx? |
| 19:18.22 | pupnik | i was thinking usb dvb-t devices for german digital tv |
| 19:18.23 | KotCzarny | apt-get install libapt-pkg-dev |
| 19:18.24 | KotCzarny | hah. |
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| 19:26.51 | Veggen | KotCzarny: yah, found that one too. Next challenge: I need libapt-pkg-dev >= 0.7.6 :) |
| 19:27.11 | Veggen | hmm. let's try the -d flags. |
| 19:27.24 | KotCzarny | just install it via apt-get |
| 19:27.30 | Veggen | (which overrides the dependency checking) |
| 19:27.34 | KotCzarny | works without a problem |
| 19:27.48 | KotCzarny | (on scratchbox) |
| 19:27.54 | Veggen | KotCzarny: I'm trying to build the svn version :) |
| 19:28.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:28.09 | KotCzarny | i had to install libapt-pkg-dev too |
| 19:28.22 | Veggen | (not the one I got with apt-get source. That's gonna havwe the bug, probably) |
| 19:28.27 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 19:31.51 | hrw | bye |
| 19:32.38 | unixSnob | www.teliax.com crashes both firefox and safari.. interesting |
| 19:33.13 | KotCzarny | battery low. huh |
| 19:34.30 | KotCzarny | 2000 minutes |
| 19:34.31 | unixSnob | this is on a desktop |
| 19:34.36 | KotCzarny | not bad with wifi-on |
| 19:35.04 | KotCzarny | (about 1.5day) |
| 19:36.58 | Veggen | ok, so let's build newer apt and things too. |
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| 19:44.45 | Veggen | hmm. built ok, and now new application manager is building too... |
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| 19:52.52 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 19:54.50 | pupnik | bleh mono mp3 encoding seems to set the audio to be offset |
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| 19:58.34 | roe | I am sure I am not the first to ask, but I can't find anything on the maemo website. Any work being done porting OOo to maemo? |
| 19:58.45 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:58.49 | Veggen | ok. serious breakage here. |
| 19:58.52 | Veggen | :) |
| 19:58.57 | KotCzarny | you realize it has 128mb of mem? |
| 19:59.07 | KotCzarny | and no java? (afaict) |
| 19:59.17 | Veggen | roe: not gonna be done. too large footprint. |
| 19:59.34 | roe | how about an abiword or gnumeric |
| 19:59.43 | KotCzarny | probably doable |
| 19:59.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:00.47 | roe | one more question, this calendaring beta I am reading about, I see it supports icals, but is it planned to support caldav? |
| 20:03.05 | Tama^2 | here are you reading about it? :) |
| 20:03.35 | roe | there is some info on the maemo.org site |
| 20:04.59 | Veggen | ok. new hildon-application-manager sorta installed. I think. I had to be ugly and do a --force-conflicts, though ;) |
| 20:05.23 | pupnik | hmm i never used that |
| 20:05.35 | pupnik | dpkg -i foobar.deb --force-conflicts ? |
| 20:06.02 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:06.08 | Veggen | it wanted to deinstall hildon-update-notifier that a bunch depended on. but I couldn't really see what conflicted, when listing the package contents. |
| 20:06.16 | KotCzarny | but conflicts info isn't dummy |
| 20:06.25 | KotCzarny | i guess it will introduce breakages |
| 20:07.00 | Veggen | KotCzarny: maybe. but I had already broken hildon-application-manager by installing newer apt ;) |
| 20:07.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:07.07 | Tama^2 | pupnik, question: bandwidth to the LCD is 18MB/s, but... is the transfer DMAable or the CPU has to move the bits? |
| 20:07.53 | Veggen | KotCzarny: good news is that the new application manager even seems to work. |
| 20:08.01 | KotCzarny | great |
| 20:08.09 | KotCzarny | i wonder what stopped working then |
| 20:08.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:08.19 | Veggen | mmm ;) |
| 20:08.34 | Veggen | hildon-update-notifier, probably. |
| 20:10.19 | pupnik | Tama^2: can't answer accurately |
| 20:11.15 | Tama^2 | can you point me to some info? |
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| 20:12.11 | Veggen | KotCzarny: I see that new application-manager has a libhildon-update-notifier builtin. |
| 20:12.52 | Veggen | ...so probably the standalone one is just obsoleted. |
| 20:13.01 | KotCzarny | good |
| 20:13.02 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 20:13.37 | Veggen | ...which means I think I've not broken anything, really. |
| 20:13.53 | KotCzarny | ..yet |
| 20:14.32 | Veggen | KotCzarny: well. true :) but it seems that it actually works now. |
| 20:14.45 | Veggen | tried updating and installing applications, and it works. |
| 20:14.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:21.19 | Veggen | hmm. seems I miss a translation or two. but hell, I can live with that. |
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| 20:22.41 | Veggen | hmm. application manager seems faster. |
| 20:23.04 | KotCzarny | by not resizing columns every time? |
| 20:23.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:23.28 | Veggen | KotCzarny: there's more that's changed. I think. |
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| 20:25.59 | pupnik | [nokia770] Using ARM JIT YUV420 scaler (quality=2) to scale 480x280 => 480x280 ... ergh... why |
| 20:26.34 | KotCzarny | color type conversion? |
| 20:26.51 | KotCzarny | from rgb to yuv etc? |
| 20:26.57 | pupnik | oh ok |
| 20:27.05 | KotCzarny | wild guess |
| 20:27.10 | KotCzarny | check other messages |
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| 20:31.39 | pupnik | it's always giving me a +560ms offset on playback now :( |
| 20:32.53 | Veggen | it *is* more snappy. |
| 20:33.30 | Veggen | (newer application manager) |
| 20:33.38 | pupnik | nice |
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| 20:34.13 | Spakman | I'd like to enable drag scrolling on my Gtk TextView widget, but on Maemo the motion-notify-event that I'm trying to use only seems to get fired once until I release and tap again. Are the events getting caught somewhere else? Any idea what I should do? |
| 20:35.08 | pupnik | woww mplayer now only taking 18-48% cpu on this vid |
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| 20:36.15 | Advhertz | hello there, I was wondering...it should be possible to see the boot (kernel and SO msgs) of a n8x0 ??? |
| 20:36.26 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:36.27 | Advhertz | just like linux does? |
| 20:36.30 | Advhertz | really? |
| 20:36.35 | Advhertz | Koshi, and how? |
| 20:36.56 | Advhertz | KotCzarny, and how? |
| 20:37.18 | KotCzarny | probably some boot options, or modifying kernel |
| 20:37.29 | Advhertz | KotCzarny, ah are u guessing? |
| 20:37.36 | Advhertz | Koshi, u are not sure... |
| 20:37.47 | KotCzarny | i have seen someone booting puppylinux |
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| 20:38.19 | Veggen | there's some package breakage, though. contemplating just deleting the packages, though. I doubt nokia-repository is ever gonna be upgraded, and if it is, it's not like I can't find and do the changes manually. |
| 20:38.59 | Veggen | osso-af too. |
| 20:38.59 | KotCzarny | a. why do you need them anyway? |
| 20:39.02 | KotCzarny | just do dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.log |
| 20:39.05 | KotCzarny | after the boot |
| 20:39.17 | lcuk | what if you dont manage a full boo |
| 20:39.18 | lcuk | t |
| 20:39.47 | Advhertz | KotCzarny, eh eh....u'r in right man |
| 20:40.12 | KotCzarny | i guess he's just curious |
| 20:40.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:41.30 | Advhertz | crazy man....the /boot/ dir is empty.... |
| 20:41.32 | Advhertz | mh... |
| 20:41.42 | KotCzarny | it's not your usual pc box |
| 20:41.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:41.51 | Koshi | Advhertz, sorry what? |
| 20:41.52 | KotCzarny | it's embedded device |
| 20:42.03 | Veggen | the kernel is on a separate "partition" on your internal flash. |
| 20:42.30 | Veggen | and so is initfs, but that one is mounted under /mnt/initfs |
| 20:42.41 | KotCzarny | read only though |
| 20:42.54 | Veggen | sure. |
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| 20:43.54 | pupnik | ok KotCzarny adding "autoaspect" to the mencoder fixed that silly scaler problem |
| 20:44.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:44.37 | pupnik | still sync is off... maybe it's because i manually increased the bitbucket |
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| 20:47.41 | pupnik | switching back to stereo fixes the sound sync problem |
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| 20:52.01 | KotCzarny | puppnik: - Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can |
| 20:53.00 | KotCzarny | i can't respond you |
| 20:53.10 | KotCzarny | just you know |
| 20:53.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:53.12 | pupnik | that's ok :) |
| 20:53.21 | Veggen | ok. rebuilding without the conflicts-stuff. |
| 20:53.32 | Veggen | (without conflicting with hildon-update-notifier) |
| 20:53.36 | pupnik | it will be available in 68 seconds |
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| 20:53.43 | KotCzarny | my next battery test will be without mem cards |
| 20:53.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:53.56 | KotCzarny | this one lasted 1.5day |
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| 20:55.33 | Veggen | ah. that did it. no more conflict. |
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| 21:00.45 | KotCzarny | pupnik: that vid looks like some rip |
| 21:01.18 | pupnik | It's off a dvd |
| 21:01.31 | KotCzarny | initial logo jumps a little |
| 21:01.46 | pupnik | Yep like in the old film graphics |
| 21:02.10 | pupnik | funny thing is how mplayer's cpu use is so low |
| 21:02.16 | pupnik | but i can't increase resolution |
| 21:02.24 | KotCzarny | because it's only 480x280 |
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| 21:03.23 | pupnik | it's kinda blurry at 720x576 too |
| 21:03.23 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 21:03.23 | pupnik | but the aspect ratio is crazy narrow - i had to crop |
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| 21:04.29 | pupnik | mencoder -endpos 125 /mnt/share2/Movies/Foobar__DVD.img -o Foobary_280_lavc.avi -srate 22050 -channels 2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=11000:q=7:vol=2:aq=8:padding=2 -vf-add crop=560:372 -vf-add scale=480:280 -vf-add eq=-12:0 -vf-add eq2=1.30:1.1:0:1:1:1:1:.75 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=500:vrc_buf_size=917:vrc_maxrate=800:vrc_minrate=0:vhq:lumi_mask=0.3:dark_mask=0.5:autoaspect:vpass=2 -ofps 25 -force-avi-aspect 800:372 |
| 21:05.39 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 21:05.41 | pupnik | the first eq pulls down brightness by 12 which erases the dark portions, then the second eq2 brings up gamma again. |
| 21:05.44 | KotCzarny | that movie is cut in a nice moment |
| 21:05.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:06.21 | Yanker | heya |
| 21:06.38 | Yanker | anyone have an idea of what is the metalayer-crawler doing |
| 21:06.44 | KotCzarny | crawling |
| 21:06.47 | Yanker | its eating up my cpu |
| 21:06.52 | KotCzarny | life |
| 21:07.09 | KotCzarny | it's a rogue application to eat your battery |
| 21:07.26 | KotCzarny | it's evil |
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| 21:07.57 | Yanker | yea and it morphs... cant kill it! |
| 21:08.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:08.30 | Yanker | Description: Metalayer Crawler Daemon Crawler is a program that is always running on the background. The purpose of the program is to collect information about the comings and goings of media files in the system. The metadata of media files is automatically extracted using libmetalayer for other applications to use. |
| 21:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | It scans for media |
| 21:08.46 | lcuk | it is demonic |
| 21:08.53 | KotCzarny | 'extracted' |
| 21:08.58 | KotCzarny | as i said, pure evil |
| 21:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | It gets tripped up over recursive symlinks occasionally. |
| 21:09.03 | KotCzarny | no feelings |
| 21:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. |
| 21:09.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:09.12 | lcuk | how do you use the information it snags? |
| 21:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | Media player |
| 21:09.33 | lcuk | but cant it just scan when i like - open media player ? |
| 21:09.44 | KotCzarny | lcuk, no! |
| 21:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | Because that takes time |
| 21:09.46 | GeneralAntilles | Look at how long Canola takes to load. |
| 21:09.46 | lcuk | or actually leave it without scanning |
| 21:10.03 | KotCzarny | it should extract information on 'per-open' basis |
| 21:10.08 | Yanker | my pda is soo going to fry! |
| 21:10.13 | KotCzarny | not 'constantly' |
| 21:10.31 | lcuk | oh, but it detects a file system change - it MUST rescan |
| 21:10.32 | KotCzarny | or at least there should be a switch |
| 21:10.48 | lcuk | update your log files: rescan. |
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| 21:10.53 | lcuk | cough too loudly: rescan |
| 21:11.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:11.41 | lcuk | can it be disabled ? |
| 21:11.45 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:11.51 | lcuk | easily and without breaking stuff |
| 21:11.52 | lcuk | ? |
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| 21:11.58 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:12.00 | Yanker | gnome-vfs should handle the spawn of it shouldnt it? |
| 21:12.08 | KotCzarny | unless you need additional info in media player |
| 21:12.19 | Yanker | it should be easy enough to setup the vfs for specific media libraries |
| 21:12.27 | Yanker | s/lib/folders |
| 21:12.31 | lcuk | what do you mean "additional info" - if its things like waveforms and images |
| 21:12.56 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it's like: your media files are there, there, and there, and they are named that, that, that |
| 21:12.58 | lcuk | or is it the meta data from media - mp3 tags |
| 21:13.01 | KotCzarny | media library is evil |
| 21:13.30 | KotCzarny | and you know what? it doesn't save that info anywhere |
| 21:13.32 | lcuk | so if i disable it it will not rescan anywhere and just use the paths it knows right now? |
| 21:13.37 | KotCzarny | meaning it will rescan every time |
| 21:13.46 | KotCzarny | no |
| 21:13.54 | Yanker | who made that.... string him up!! |
| 21:13.54 | KotCzarny | if you disable it your media library will be empty |
| 21:13.56 | lcuk | well thast a steaming pile of hotspur |
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| 21:14.05 | KotCzarny | and you will have to click 'open and browse' to play |
| 21:14.25 | lcuk | cant we make it "think" its got media |
| 21:14.27 | KotCzarny | but it can be reenabled safely |
| 21:14.43 | lcuk | and does the media player fill up as it scans folders? |
| 21:14.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk: become root and: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop |
| 21:15.00 | KotCzarny | you will see how it will look without ml |
| 21:15.06 | Yanker | well its like this; ... i had a bluetooth headset plugged in while listening to the radio streamer applet, then while going through the 'My selection' links the pda crashed |
| 21:15.14 | lcuk | ie, could i make myself a shell script which "start crawling. run mediaplayer. stop crawling" |
| 21:15.15 | KotCzarny | later you can reenable it by changing stop to start |
| 21:15.19 | Yanker | now, no applets are shown at all |
| 21:15.52 | KotCzarny | yanker: nokia is not a pda, it's more like a regular laptop |
| 21:15.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:16.06 | lcuk | yanker - dont call it a pda, GeneralAntilles has a heart murmur |
| 21:16.14 | KotCzarny | lcuk: but it will take long time everytime |
| 21:16.22 | KotCzarny | better just get nice player |
| 21:16.34 | KotCzarny | that won't relay on such maddness |
| 21:16.36 | lcuk | i agree, but mediaplayer is actually nice |
| 21:16.43 | KotCzarny | evince looked promising |
| 21:16.52 | Yanker | lolz nvm that |
| 21:17.26 | Yanker | just because its with a unix os? i dont see the difference, other than another handle of the device drivers :) |
| 21:17.33 | Yanker | how do i fix it?! |
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| 21:17.53 | KotCzarny | yanker: pda reminds me of ipaq/palm |
| 21:17.54 | Mousey | what i wanna know is how do you get media players to use the headphones profile instead of the headset profile!!!! |
| 21:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | Metalayer-crawler has never been a problem for me. |
| 21:18.00 | KotCzarny | and windows mobile |
| 21:18.02 | KotCzarny | *shrug* |
| 21:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | That said, I'd like to see an option. |
| 21:18.07 | lcuk | KotCzarny, remember last nigth the bits about the fbreader library, it might look awful, but it does pretty much what you expect - give it a base folder and it will grab there and then and retain the list |
| 21:18.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i don't want the list |
| 21:18.36 | KotCzarny | i want simply click on files |
| 21:18.52 | KotCzarny | i want to do work once |
| 21:18.54 | KotCzarny | not twice |
| 21:19.07 | KotCzarny | ie. 1/ put your files in nice folder depending on my criteria |
| 21:19.18 | KotCzarny | 2/ add them again to media library |
| 21:19.35 | lcuk | so you are an old style media player classic single file at a time man rather than itunes :) i hear ya and agree |
| 21:19.43 | KotCzarny | lcuk: nope |
| 21:19.52 | Yanker | well, something has my cpu by the balls, and its metalayer-crawl daemon :) |
| 21:19.57 | KotCzarny | do you want to test my hacked mplayer frontend? |
| 21:19.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:20.23 | KotCzarny | it's ncurses based right now, but quite usable |
| 21:20.24 | lcuk | not really, for now mplayer for me hasnt really shone |
| 21:20.37 | KotCzarny | just for interface test |
| 21:20.42 | lcuk | ive had better compatability with the limited media i have played using the built in |
| 21:21.08 | KotCzarny | also it would work via ssh |
| 21:21.12 | KotCzarny | because it's ncurses based |
| 21:21.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:26.30 | Yanker | i sooo want that crawler dead .o.O |
| 21:26.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:27.30 | MangoFusion | wanted, dead of alive: MetaCrawler |
| 21:27.35 | MangoFusion | errm or |
| 21:27.38 | KotCzarny | mine is dead |
| 21:27.39 | MangoFusion | man, i can't type today |
| 21:27.42 | KotCzarny | want it? |
| 21:27.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:27.58 | MangoFusion | actually on second thoughts i will pass |
| 21:28.12 | KotCzarny | it's dead for days now |
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| 21:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | You're crazy, lcuk. |
| 21:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | What media are you playing? <_< |
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| 21:35.20 | lcuk | not a lot - movies recoded using the nokia media convertor and tv shows. mplayer became unresponsive on a number of occasions and seemed to lock in fullscreen for 10-15seconds too long. ontop of that the initial interface was not finger friendly (built in isnt much better, but its a start) |
| 21:35.37 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i'm talking about audio files right now |
| 21:35.52 | KotCzarny | though my gui has support for youtube browsing/playing too |
| 21:35.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:36.11 | lcuk | i dont play audio files through nokia - speakers sound shite and headphones arent needed - i have a good enough media centre with speakers right here |
| 21:36.31 | KotCzarny | still, sometimes it can come handy |
| 21:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Poor N810 users and their crappy speakers. |
| 21:37.05 | lcuk | speakers are better than old pda and it sounds fine when playing tv programs |
| 21:37.28 | aquatix | n810 sounds decent |
| 21:37.40 | aquatix | but i like normal speakers or headphones better anyway |
| 21:37.46 | lcuk | i am miffed about how quick it goes through battery though - its constantly hooked up to the wall |
| 21:37.56 | GeneralAntilles | I wish mplayer had the ability to turn the volume up over 100% |
| 21:38.06 | aquatix | never listened to an n800 |
| 21:38.17 | KotCzarny | 'a' |
| 21:38.34 | aquatix | KotCzarny: n800 is pronounced `en-eighthundred' |
| 21:38.36 | aquatix | so `an' |
| 21:38.46 | aquatix | i'd say |
| 21:38.46 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the nokia automatically does it if you watch spinal tap |
| 21:38.52 | KotCzarny | i pronounce it as 'nokia-800' |
| 21:38.58 | GeneralAntilles | That's wrong. |
| 21:38.59 | aquatix | ah |
| 21:39.13 | aquatix | than it would be `a', but that's not how you pronounce it :) |
| 21:39.17 | lcuk | n810 is pronounced nokia internet tablet 810 series - i loath to call it n series |
| 21:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | What's with you and trying to correct people with your wrong answers? <_< |
| 21:39.19 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 21:39.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:39.41 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 21:39.44 | KotCzarny | because i'm right too? |
| 21:39.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:39.49 | aquatix | lcuk: bit long though ;) |
| 21:39.59 | aquatix | KotCzarny: not quite |
| 21:40.11 | aquatix | nokia pronounces it as `en-eighthundred' themselves |
| 21:40.14 | Fang64 | *yawns* just call it n800 for short or 'en-eighthundred' lol and look over the fact it's called a Nokia Internet Tablet 8x0 |
| 21:40.17 | lcuk | i know, but the nseries are cool devices which make full use of their hardware |
| 21:40.22 | KotCzarny | another example of word that starts with n ? |
| 21:40.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:40.47 | KotCzarny | lcuk: not true |
| 21:40.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix has got you here, might as well drop it before you start to look bad. |
| 21:40.53 | aquatix | nitroglycerin |
| 21:41.08 | KotCzarny | an or a? |
| 21:41.08 | aquatix | or however it's spelled |
| 21:41.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:41.16 | aquatix | `a' |
| 21:41.20 | aquatix | duh |
| 21:41.20 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 21:41.22 | lcuk | ok then KotCzarny when are we gonna get n-gage gaming ported to this n series device? |
| 21:41.28 | aquatix | KotCzarny: like you made a point now? |
| 21:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, quite possibly with OMAP3. :D |
| 21:41.38 | KotCzarny | (original) |
| 21:41.49 | aquatix | KotCzarny: and how do you pronounce `n-gage'? |
| 21:41.53 | KotCzarny | aquatix: :) |
| 21:41.58 | lcuk | but hasnt the current n95 which has same chipset got it already ;) |
| 21:42.05 | aquatix | nnngahche? |
| 21:42.24 | KotCzarny | auqatix the fact that they 'misspelled' the word doesn't mean it's right |
| 21:42.31 | lcuk | or is it one of the lesser models for now |
| 21:42.34 | KotCzarny | it was a pun on 'engage' |
| 21:42.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:42.49 | aquatix | well, n770, n800 and n810 are model names |
| 21:42.50 | lcuk | you sayl n-gage as "taco" |
| 21:42.56 | aquatix | `n' is just a letter |
| 21:43.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:43.09 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage |
| 21:43.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:43.41 | aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N |
| 21:43.44 | lcuk | aquatix, its not just a model name, the n stands for nseries http://www.nseries.com/index.html its an entire range of related devices |
| 21:43.51 | aquatix | lcuk: i know |
| 21:44.02 | aquatix | which is also pronounced `en-series' |
| 21:44.04 | MangoFusion | N-Gage phone was hilarious |
| 21:44.05 | aquatix | oh well |
| 21:44.16 | aquatix | MangoFusion: depends on your humour ;) |
| 21:44.22 | MangoFusion | hehe |
| 21:44.28 | KotCzarny | i love it :) |
| 21:44.37 | KotCzarny | though has short battery life when playing |
| 21:44.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:44.56 | KotCzarny | i have seen some mods for sidetalking |
| 21:44.58 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:45.05 | KotCzarny | including drilling |
| 21:45.18 | KotCzarny | but for me sidetalking is quite ok |
| 21:45.19 | xuser_ | how can I right click? need it for rdeskto. |
| 21:45.35 | KotCzarny | xuser: press and hold stylus a little while |
| 21:45.37 | aquatix | xuser_: long tap? |
| 21:45.58 | lcuk | that doesnt work for me when i use vnc so i wouldnt hold breath... |
| 21:46.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.13 | xuser_ | ok let me see |
| 21:46.20 | KotCzarny | rdesktop is nokia'a app? |
| 21:46.22 | KotCzarny | isn't it? |
| 21:46.22 | aquatix | xuser_: if it doesn't work, hook up a mouse ;) |
| 21:46.26 | KotCzarny | -> can work |
| 21:46.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.33 | aquatix | KotCzarny: vnc != rdesktop |
| 21:46.43 | KotCzarny | he uses rdesktop |
| 21:46.56 | aquatix | erm, ah |
| 21:47.05 | aquatix | lcuk had me confused |
| 21:47.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.38 | lcuk | WAIT |
| 21:47.43 | lcuk | let me put nokia down first |
| 21:47.53 | lcuk | ok |
| 21:48.14 | KotCzarny | isn't it waterproof? |
| 21:48.18 | lcuk | am i the only one? |
| 21:48.20 | Fang64 | lol |
| 21:48.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | I've heard a number of survival stories where people dropped their tablets in water while they were on. |
| 21:48.47 | lcuk | mwah hahahaaa! i has a bukkit!!! |
| 21:48.58 | aquatix | water generally isn't *that* bad |
| 21:49.02 | lcuk | and a sore head |
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| 21:49.10 | aquatix | oh noes, they takez bukkit! |
| 21:49.15 | lcuk | i once washed my nvidia graphics card under the tap |
| 21:49.32 | xuser_ | didn't work :/ |
| 21:49.32 | lcuk | i managed to get the coke out of it |
| 21:49.52 | KotCzarny | xuser: read rdesktop docs |
| 21:49.55 | aquatix | lcuk: never sniff from your hardware |
| 21:49.55 | lcuk | however from then onwards all the scenes it rendered looked like they were underwater |
| 21:50.04 | KotCzarny | maybe they have an another way for right click |
| 21:50.28 | GeneralAntilles | Har har har |
| 21:50.30 | Fang64 | well pure water isn't bad lol assuming you have water that is absolutely free of contaminants X.x |
| 21:50.42 | KotCzarny | fang: pure water? where? |
| 21:50.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:50.45 | texel | Distilled water, you mean. =o) |
| 21:50.48 | lcuk | remote desktop programs send input as its obtained from the user, how does it know you dont want to long press on your remote desktop? |
| 21:50.49 | aquatix | Fang64: which it isn't anymore when you start cleaning with it |
| 21:50.55 | Fang64 | indeed |
| 21:50.55 | xuser_ | yeah Ill check it out |
| 21:50.55 | Fang64 | lol |
| 21:51.04 | KotCzarny | lcuk: it asks xserver for input |
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| 21:51.32 | KotCzarny | and xserver can send what it decides to send |
| 21:51.40 | lcuk | yes, and xserver wont doesnt just switch from a left click to a right automatically - thats down to software control |
| 21:51.43 | Fang64 | can the N800 do X11 forwarding? |
| 21:51.50 | lcuk | hence the flashy cursor and menu |
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| 21:51.54 | KotCzarny | xserver IS software |
| 21:51.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:52.19 | KotCzarny | fang: probably |
| 21:52.22 | lcuk | yer, but its generic software |
| 21:52.32 | lcuk | fang, closest i have seen is x11vnc server |
| 21:52.37 | Fang64 | uhm |
| 21:52.45 | KotCzarny | ssh -R/-L ? |
| 21:52.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:52.59 | Fang64 | I'm talking X11 forwarding over ssh or something like a desktop app and having n800 as client |
| 21:53.04 | Fang64 | wondor how well that'd work |
| 21:53.04 | Fang64 | lol |
| 21:53.20 | texel | Fang64: not likely well. |
| 21:53.21 | Fang64 | wonder* |
| 21:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it works fine, Fang64 |
| 21:53.24 | lcdd | Fang64: normal x windows don't behave as you'd expect |
| 21:53.30 | Fang64 | ah |
| 21:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, ^ |
| 21:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | But it does work. |
| 21:53.40 | texel | Especially with programs that expect the window manager to do specific, tiled things. |
| 21:53.44 | Fang64 | so the translation between the desktop to the tablet doesn't work too swift? |
| 21:53.56 | KotCzarny | it's not your usual x.org |
| 21:54.02 | Fang64 | I'm aware |
| 21:54.02 | Fang64 | lo |
| 21:54.05 | Fang64 | lol |
| 21:54.05 | KotCzarny | they use substitute |
| 21:54.05 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:54.15 | Fang64 | I mean it's still X isn't it XD |
| 21:54.20 | Fang64 | a form of it |
| 21:54.21 | texel | It's the same x.org, they just use a different window manager that does things that most X clients don't expect. |
| 21:54.29 | KotCzarny | it implemenst some of X protocol i guess |
| 21:55.03 | lcuk | ahhh, you mean its like "Microsoft X" - they took a standard and screwed with it |
| 21:55.04 | Fang64 | GeneralAntilles: so forwarding a X11 to the tablet works? |
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| 21:55.23 | Fang64 | lol |
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| 21:56.38 | texel | Anybody else still seeing problems with metalayer-crawler on OS2008 (chinook)? |
| 21:56.56 | aquatix | depends what you defines as `problems' |
| 21:56.58 | texel | I'm afraid my install generally ends up eating memory like mad, rather than CPU. |
| 21:56.58 | lcuk | lol texel, scrollback |
| 21:57.10 | texel | lcuk: wasn't in here prior to a few minutes ago. =op |
| 21:57.25 | texel | aquatix: >60MB VMEM usage. |
| 21:57.35 | aquatix | hm, ouch |
| 21:57.35 | KotCzarny | in general everyone has to ask about mcrawl |
| 21:57.38 | KotCzarny | sooner or later |
| 21:57.44 | KotCzarny | it's EVIL |
| 21:57.52 | texel | Not evil. Just oddly implemented, methinks. |
| 21:57.58 | texel | Is it at least open enough so we can see the source? |
| 21:58.00 | KotCzarny | unnecessary |
| 21:58.21 | KotCzarny | imo whole medialibrary concept is sick |
| 21:58.28 | KotCzarny | usefull sometimes |
| 21:58.31 | Fang64 | lol |
| 21:58.32 | KotCzarny | but not worth it |
| 21:59.02 | KotCzarny | but i'm not a regular user |
| 21:59.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:59.09 | texel | Hrm. So then the next question becomes: are there any outstanding bugs open for it that haven't been marked as "FIXED"? |
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| 22:00.17 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org ? |
| 22:00.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:00.33 | texel | I figured I'd ask since it was just being discussed. =op |
| 22:00.55 | KotCzarny | the best fix is to just kill off that evil spawn |
| 22:01.12 | aquatix | and replace with? |
| 22:01.24 | lcuk | a mouldy kipper would be better |
| 22:01.27 | KotCzarny | doesn't need to be replaced |
| 22:01.42 | KotCzarny | maybe ls -lR ? |
| 22:01.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:01.52 | Fang64 | lol |
| 22:02.10 | aquatix | hm, it now takes care of finding media files? |
| 22:02.25 | texel | So while I /have/ removed the link in /etc/rc2.d for it, I'd like to see about assisting in solving this bug. |
| 22:02.27 | KotCzarny | something like that |
| 22:03.04 | KotCzarny | texel: ls -R + extract metadata ONLY on open ? |
| 22:03.14 | KotCzarny | (and remember it) |
| 22:03.18 | aquatix | KotCzarny: does mediaplayer work without it? |
| 22:03.22 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:03.28 | aquatix | eh, k |
| 22:03.34 | aquatix | so why does it run then? :D |
| 22:03.44 | KotCzarny | for your convenience |
| 22:03.53 | texel | KotCzarny: How does that fix the bug? O.o |
| 22:04.03 | KotCzarny | texel: no rescans ? |
| 22:05.11 | aquatix | hm, mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler |
| 22:05.25 | KotCzarny | mediaplayer-daemon is required |
| 22:05.36 | aquatix | that's for background music and such? |
| 22:05.44 | KotCzarny | not only music |
| 22:05.48 | KotCzarny | videos too |
| 22:06.01 | aquatix | but why daemon :/ |
| 22:06.11 | KotCzarny | because. |
| 22:06.20 | KotCzarny | if you use mplayer you can kill it off too |
| 22:06.42 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 22:08.15 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1474#c6 |
| 22:08.16 | KotCzarny | nice |
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| 22:27.54 | pupnik | anybody here ever got esd or alsa OSS emulation to work? :/ |
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| 22:31.53 | spirytusick | pupnik: tried few times, good ol' friend mr segfault each time |
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| 22:39.31 | pupnik | greets spirytusick |
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| 22:40.49 | spirytusick | hey pupnik :) |
| 22:42.43 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1842 |
| 22:42.43 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:42.48 | KotCzarny | priority: LOW |
| 22:42.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:44.43 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: I disable it :) |
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| 22:44.51 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: but it is annoying :) |
| 22:44.52 | KotCzarny | me too |
| 22:45.05 | KotCzarny | it's just buggy |
| 22:45.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:45.13 | spirytusick | i to strasznie :) |
| 22:45.24 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 22:45.38 | spirytusick | ok guys :) good night to you all. time to catch some sleep before work tommorow :) |
| 22:45.40 | KotCzarny | tja, tak sie zastanawialem czy to angielskie czy nie do konca |
| 22:45.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:45.50 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: fusion :) |
| 22:46.07 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: dobranocka :) |
| 22:46.12 | KotCzarny | noc noc |
| 22:46.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:46.14 | spirytusick | pupnik: you need some sleep also :) |
| 22:46.19 | KotCzarny | ja posiedze |
| 22:46.41 | spirytusick | trzym sie KocieCzarny :) |
| 22:46.44 | aquatix | any idea why some maemo-launchers are taking a lot of memory? |
| 22:46.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:46.57 | spirytusick | good night guys |
| 22:46.58 | KotCzarny | because they're buggy too? |
| 22:46.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:47.03 | aquatix | spirytusick: nn |
| 22:51.07 | johnx | aquatix, you looking at them with top? |
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| 22:52.08 | aquatix | johnx: yeah |
| 22:52.23 | johnx | I heard someone say that top doesn't take into account shared memory |
| 22:52.40 | KotCzarny | busybox's version |
| 22:52.42 | KotCzarny | that is |
| 22:52.49 | aquatix | i guess it has something to do with the programs they launch i guess |
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| 22:57.53 | lcuk | does anyone have a list of standard processes that can be killed without rebooting device and perhaps a script to run when we want to do this? |
| 22:58.04 | KotCzarny | not yet |
| 22:58.18 | lcuk | i think i might just look into it. |
| 22:58.30 | KotCzarny | but you can always turn off watchdog |
| 22:58.34 | KotCzarny | and it won't reboot then |
| 22:58.37 | lcuk | just produce something from ps and play with disabling certain apps |
| 22:58.39 | KotCzarny | (by itself) |
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| 22:58.48 | lcuk | no, never want that gone - it does serve a purpose |
| 22:59.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:59.56 | KotCzarny | procps compiles ok |
| 23:00.00 | pupnik | does the LCD controller do dithering? |
| 23:00.04 | KotCzarny | now that's the top i'm used to |
| 23:00.15 | KotCzarny | pupnik: probably not |
| 23:00.18 | KotCzarny | but it's 16bit |
| 23:00.37 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.37 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.41 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:02.01 | pupnik | at about noise=5 i start to notive it consciously |
| 23:02.05 | pupnik | notice |
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| 23:04.01 | lcuk | any idea if i it sounds reasonable to optimize a function so much that the cpu slows itself down because it thinks it is going fast enough. or is it just my crappy optimizations actually doing more work... |
| 23:04.17 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 23:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | nousuk |
| 23:04.39 | KotCzarny | if it slows down, then it's not an optimization |
| 23:05.04 | lcuk | ive got a function (drawglyph) which is called once for every glyph on my book reader. i have a sloppy byte oriented method and a faster int32 oriented version |
| 23:05.19 | KotCzarny | buffer writes |
| 23:05.20 | lcuk | with the older version i pull 27fps at fullscreen |
| 23:05.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:05.56 | lcuk | now i am exclusively working in longs and doing more work with int32 *s and shifts it is going slower (5fps) |
| 23:06.13 | lcuk | you sure its buffer? (i had to finish what i was typing) |
| 23:06.30 | KotCzarny | no no |
| 23:06.39 | KotCzarny | i meant buffer many writes into one |
| 23:06.40 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:06.49 | lcuk | i do as much as possible |
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| 23:08.29 | lcuk | the only physical way i could write more memory in one go is to move to assembler and start using the SIMD ops |
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| 23:08.43 | KotCzarny | that would be cool |
| 23:08.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:09.18 | lcuk | but i feel the slowdown is my code - i shall investigate further |
| 23:09.22 | pupnik | lcuk: you saw ssvb's assembler memcpy samples? |
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| 23:10.20 | lcuk | no but i know what they will be like based upon what i am looking at here |
| 23:10.40 | lcuk | i will be implimenting something soon - there isn't anything left to optimise in c |
| 23:11.25 | lcuk | my font glyphs are int32 oriented, limited to 4 pixels width, but its barely noticable and for the speed boost i think its worth it |
| 23:11.53 | lcuk | (it took me from 10fps full screen to 20 - the rest has been refinement until now i am at 27 |
| 23:12.23 | pupnik | nice |
| 23:12.25 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 23:12.44 | pupnik | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009133.html some info you might know about - or not |
| 23:12.46 | derf | lcuk: Have gcc dumpt the asm for the two methods. |
| 23:12.56 | derf | It usually becomes quite apparent why one is faster than the other. |
| 23:13.03 | derf | *dump |
| 23:13.31 | lcuk | thx derf ill take a look |
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| 23:15.15 | derf | _Reading_ asm is pretty easy... someone else has taken care of ensuring that all of the quirks and pre-requisites and restrictions of the instructions are satisfied. |
| 23:15.25 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 23:16.48 | darx1 | Is there any other usable distros for nokia n800? |
| 23:16.56 | KotCzarny | 'are' |
| 23:17.18 | johnx | there is be angstrom and debian |
| 23:17.22 | johnx | neither work completely |
| 23:18.00 | johnx | also, mamona |
| 23:18.07 | GeneralAntilles | Poky |
| 23:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Sorta |
| 23:18.22 | johnx | all of them are "sorta" |
| 23:19.24 | lcuk | holy shit, thats shocking |
| 23:21.29 | lcuk | it only uses 3 registers for the function and appears to pluck data off the stack as required :'( (in 68k i would use my regs well and fit inside my 256byte cache) gawd, this system looks more and more like an amiga every day ;) |
| 23:22.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:22.29 | KotCzarny | what would you expect, it's NOT x86 |
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| 23:23.07 | fysa | amiga! |
| 23:23.15 | KotCzarny | nearly dead :/ |
| 23:23.20 | KotCzarny | money killed it |
| 23:23.39 | lcuk | yer, but the compiler ouput is optimised for a stack system rather than a register system |
| 23:24.05 | pupnik | fysa: are you interested in working on UAE? |
| 23:24.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:24.13 | lcuk | which makes me ponder if gcc can be extended |
| 23:24.25 | KotCzarny | lcuk: probably |
| 23:24.33 | KotCzarny | probably it's in the options already |
| 23:24.38 | KotCzarny | man page is big |
| 23:24.42 | fysa | what's the status? |
| 23:24.51 | KotCzarny | fysa: works, but unoptimized |
| 23:24.57 | fysa | needs scaling routines? |
| 23:25.04 | fysa | and better hildonization/ |
| 23:25.14 | Navi | KotCzarny, http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF099-Grammar_Wizard.gif |
| 23:26.15 | KotCzarny | navi: so what? |
| 23:26.20 | KotCzarny | i'm a cat, not a wizard |
| 23:26.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:26.25 | fysa | does it use xv? |
| 23:26.53 | fysa | so we can take advantage of the upcoming xv hw-scaling update? |
| 23:27.17 | KotCzarny | yet |
| 23:27.25 | fysa | I'm pretty sure it's SD. |
| 23:27.28 | fysa | SDL. |
| 23:28.05 | lcuk | fysa, the current xv doesn't have rgb support does it? i noticed in a test program theres only 4 supported modes |
| 23:29.34 | fysa | hmm |
| 23:30.06 | Tama^2 | pupnik: the answer to my question, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009202.html |
| 23:30.08 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 23:30.09 | KotCzarny | steal the converter from mplayer? |
| 23:30.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:30.31 | Tama^2 | "Screen updates are asynchronous and |
| 23:30.31 | Tama^2 | are performed simultaneously with CPU doing some other useful things at |
| 23:30.31 | Tama^2 | the same time." |
| 23:32.02 | fysa | hmm. |
| 23:33.54 | pupnik | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/ lcuk and Tama^2 you should also stufy Simon's work |
| 23:33.57 | fysa | UAE uses SDL so it doesn't really matter I suppose :) |
| 23:34.54 | pupnik | yes fysa.. the speed could be increased greatly on UAE - first through ASM-optimized 68k core and second through video update optimization. But right now with ~10-15 fps the video is not so crucial |
| 23:35.24 | KotCzarny | 25fps makes it playable |
| 23:35.39 | pupnik | that is doable |
| 23:35.45 | KotCzarny | that would be great |
| 23:35.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:36.00 | KotCzarny | use superfrog as a testcase :> |
| 23:36.17 | lcuk | i dont think you can get enough data tothe lcd for a full 16bit rgb full screen. you can however get the lesser 12bit yuv formats down. ( <<reasonable? or wrong? ) |
| 23:36.29 | KotCzarny | reasonable |
| 23:36.32 | lcuk | for 25fps |
| 23:36.41 | KotCzarny | amiga was played on tvs anyway |
| 23:36.50 | KotCzarny | so a little fuzz is acceptable |
| 23:36.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.07 | pupnik | lcuk - amiga does not require/use 800x480 full-screen |
| 23:37.07 | johnx | so lcuk, you're pushing 12bit updates now or 16bits? |
| 23:37.07 | KotCzarny | speed is more important |
| 23:37.18 | KotCzarny | pupnik: imagine playing full screen |
| 23:37.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:37.54 | lcuk | im pushing a 12bit YUV image - a whole plane of 800*480 bytes of grey data followed by two planes 400*240 for color information |
| 23:38.29 | lcuk | but that is with xv, and it manages it smooth as silk |
| 23:38.42 | lcuk | when i try the same with sdl it waves at me - its awful |
| 23:38.46 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 23:38.51 | KotCzarny | you know what would be cool? |
| 23:38.53 | lcuk | i would like to use rgb data but with the xv interface |
| 23:39.15 | KotCzarny | scaling leaves some space |
| 23:39.23 | KotCzarny | using that space for controls |
| 23:39.52 | lcuk | yes, even lowering to 640*480 increases rendered frames up over 30. plenty of time for work and still have 25fps |
| 23:40.18 | lcuk | xv does autoscaling tho - if i ask for 200*480 it will still fill the screen |
| 23:40.29 | lcuk | the lcd does the heavy lifting - its been placed into a tv mode |
| 23:40.47 | KotCzarny | cool |
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| 23:43.48 | fysa | Most Amiga games are going to be 320x200ish |
| 23:43.55 | KotCzarny | true |
| 23:44.03 | KotCzarny | more like 320x256 though |
| 23:44.08 | fysa | but yes, I agree, ASM-optimized 68k is first. |
| 23:44.22 | KotCzarny | but lcuk says lcd will take care of scaling |
| 23:44.45 | cLin | for xterm, how do i use the alt key? |
| 23:45.04 | fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qipWqOwkceg |
| 23:45.16 | fysa | 320x224 seems to be it |
| 23:45.43 | fysa | (link is Shadow of the Beast intro) |
| 23:46.25 | KotCzarny | fysa: doesn't matter as long lcd scales for free |
| 23:46.26 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:46.38 | KotCzarny | but it will need smart positioning |
| 23:47.18 | Tama^2 | I looove that game |
| 23:47.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:47.30 | KotCzarny | never finished it ;) |
| 23:47.35 | Tama^2 | and it's broken on PCs |
| 23:47.44 | Tama^2 | Amiga is the only way to go |
| 23:47.44 | fysa | Star Glider. |
| 23:47.48 | KotCzarny | ami version has nicer sound |
| 23:49.04 | fysa | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Amiga_Starglider_2.png |
| 23:49.14 | Pio | what, like elite 2? |
| 23:49.18 | Pio | frontier |
| 23:49.18 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:49.22 | Pio | you ever try oolite? |
| 23:49.23 | KotCzarny | frontier is elite 2 |
| 23:49.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:49.29 | Pio | yeah i used to play the pc version |
| 23:49.56 | Pio | oh, hey Mousey |
| 23:50.01 | Mousey | hi hi pio |
| 23:50.12 | Mousey | get an 810 yeT? |
| 23:52.04 | Pio | no |
| 23:52.07 | Pio | gotta hang up to use the phone |
| 23:52.08 | Pio | weee dialup |
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| 23:52.25 | glass | ffe rules |
| 23:52.57 | glass | still the best game of it's type |
| 23:53.06 | Mousey | agreed |
| 23:53.10 | Mousey | of any type really |
| 23:53.16 | glass | proper planets and shit |
| 23:53.19 | Mousey | aen |
| 23:53.20 | Mousey | amen |
| 23:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | Oolite is a good one. |
| 23:53.38 | Mousey | it's almos time to read forums.frontier.co.uk again and ping about the E4 release timeline |
| 23:54.02 | Mousey | i can't understand why nobody's made a proper clone of FE2 |
| 23:54.04 | Mousey | or ffe |
| 23:54.06 | fysa | pupnik: is this UAE4ALL, E-UAE? |
| 23:54.54 | fysa | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/UAE4all |
| 23:55.03 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.03 | fysa | virtual keyboard |
| 23:55.16 | pupnik | yeah i saw it |
| 23:55.33 | fysa | but.. "It isn't using an ASM core" |
| 23:55.49 | fysa | I will do some digging for an m68k core in ASM. |
| 23:55.57 | pupnik | it is called 'cyclone' |
| 23:56.29 | fysa | ah |
| 23:56.35 | fysa | MAME GP2X uses it. |
| 23:56.36 | KotCzarny | umkay. apt-get works again too. |
| 23:56.53 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 23:58.29 | kb_ | Has anyone here tried to run the "How to Use Camera API" How-To on an N800 running the 2008 distro? It seems to run ridiculously slow, so I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong. |
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