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| 00:05.23 | cLin | how do i start the openssh server? |
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| 00:06.34 | Tama^2 | it is started automatically when you install it |
| 00:06.45 | cLin | oh |
| 00:06.58 | cLin | hrm |
| 00:07.08 | cLin | i connected earlier to it using winscp, wonder why it won't work now |
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| 00:12.30 | unixSnob | Is the SDK 100% open source? |
| 00:12.42 | Tama^2 | no |
| 00:13.55 | unixSnob | ok.. that means I have to use it on an x86 machine |
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| 00:14.33 | svu_ | is there any way to make os2008 use ntp server provided by dhcp server? |
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| 00:21.04 | ustunozgur | cLin: try to ssh to itself in xterm |
| 00:21.09 | ustunozgur | ssh root@localhost |
| 00:21.19 | cLin | yea, i got it working, thanks :D |
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| 01:21.34 | sbk | so I updated the device.. |
| 01:21.39 | sbk | it is incrediably faster |
| 01:24.00 | Tama^2 | faster and with a prettier (but clumsy) UI |
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| 01:24.26 | edistar | does anyone know the keycodes of the + and - buttons of the n770? |
| 01:25.15 | GeneralAntilles | F8/F9 |
| 01:25.25 | edistar | GeneralAntilles: thx |
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| 01:28.25 | sbk | try Tama^2 |
| 01:28.28 | sbk | true* |
| 01:28.40 | sbk | all the apps I wanted to install work now |
| 01:28.42 | sbk | so thats a + |
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| 01:30.17 | sbk | lol @ the mplayer package |
| 01:30.19 | sbk | this device owns |
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| 01:32.25 | Tama^2 | *remembers |
| 01:32.25 | sbk | heh |
| 01:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | Do enough rundown tests, Tama^2, and you'll get excited all over again once you can use it. :P |
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| 01:33.45 | Tama^2 | I had enough |
| 01:33.59 | Tama^2 | I gave up on it |
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| 01:35.09 | sbk | heh |
| 01:35.11 | Tama^2 | I will reinstall OS2008 and use the tablet for other things than media consumption (read it will take dust until I leave on trips that will require me to leave my laptop behind) |
| 01:35.15 | sbk | what happened to yours Tama^2 |
| 01:35.51 | Tama^2 | nothing, it's more like what did I do to complicate my life ;) |
| 01:36.00 | sbk | ahh |
| 01:36.07 | Tama^2 | it has some issues that piss me off |
| 01:36.15 | Tama^2 | piss me off massively I should say |
| 01:36.27 | sbk | whast the best mail app |
| 01:36.35 | sbk | and does it do pop & imap? |
| 01:36.39 | Tama^2 | modest |
| 01:36.51 | Tama^2 | it crashes once in a while but it is usable |
| 01:37.01 | sbk | does the notifier work with it? |
| 01:37.07 | Tama^2 | yes |
| 01:37.11 | sbk | win win win win win |
| 01:37.15 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 01:37.22 | sbk | this is going to the best handheld for work |
| 01:37.24 | sbk | I know it |
| 01:37.53 | sbk | usbcontroller is genius |
| 01:38.20 | sbk | I can put my contacts in, in a timely manor |
| 01:38.58 | sbk | Tama^2: GeneralAntilles: do you have any suggestions for sites aside from maemo.org to check out |
| 01:39.24 | Tama^2 | there is a site with a list of repos but I cannot remember the address |
| 01:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | internettablettalk.com |
| 01:39.31 | sbk | nice! |
| 01:39.33 | sbk | thank you |
| 01:39.38 | GeneralAntilles | sbk, there's also a statusbar applet that accomplishes the same thing. |
| 01:39.53 | sbk | this site Tama^2 ? |
| 01:39.53 | sbk | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 01:39.57 | Tama^2 | yes |
| 01:39.59 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 01:40.10 | sbk | I did a days worth of reasearch before purchasing it |
| 01:40.19 | Tama^2 | me too |
| 01:40.55 | Tama^2 | I decided to not spend money on the ipod touch in the end because of apple's attitude towards software dev on those devices |
| 01:41.09 | sbk | well, I have a iphone already |
| 01:41.19 | sbk | but browsing on it is weak compared to the 810 |
| 01:41.35 | Navi | Scrolls smoothly though :3 |
| 01:41.46 | Tama^2 | and a BT keyboard works on the N8x) |
| 01:41.59 | Navi | Tama^2, what kind of smiley is that O_o |
| 01:42.22 | Tama^2 | it's the delayed finger lifting typo smiley |
| 01:42.28 | Navi | :D |
| 01:42.45 | sbk | OH NO!!!! |
| 01:42.48 | Tama^2 | re BT keyb... it kind of works |
| 01:42.51 | sbk | the rdp works great!!! |
| 01:42.56 | sbk | im logged into my rdp box |
| 01:43.11 | Tama^2 | like everything else it kind of works |
| 01:44.09 | Navi | The N8X0 does many things, and it does none of them extraordinarily well |
| 01:44.15 | sbk | wow this rdp is insane |
| 01:44.22 | sbk | it works perfectly |
| 01:44.25 | sbk | I can hit my core routers and everything |
| 01:44.32 | Navi | rdp is all right |
| 01:44.32 | Navi | x forwarding for the win, though. |
| 01:49.52 | sbk | true that Navi |
| 01:50.00 | sbk | Tama^2: is that mail client |
| 01:50.04 | sbk | the one thats built in? |
| 01:50.11 | Tama^2 | no |
| 01:50.23 | sbk | im looking for itnow |
| 01:50.26 | Navi | modest isn't built in for chinook |
| 01:50.30 | Navi | it has it's own repo |
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| 01:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | Built-in is osso-email |
| 01:51.26 | sbk | ahhh ok |
| 01:51.32 | GeneralAntilles | Modest is set to replace it in either a future release of Chinook or Diablo. |
| 01:51.37 | sbk | i'm looking now |
| 01:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 01:53.06 | Tama^2 | osso is such a lol word |
| 01:53.07 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 01:53.38 | sbk | oh thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 01:53.52 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, wow, HOW DID U KNO TAT? |
| 01:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | irmagic |
| 01:54.18 | Navi | omg |
| 01:54.25 | sbk | googs is the win |
| 01:56.54 | sbk | can I remove osso |
| 01:56.58 | Navi | nah |
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| 01:59.31 | sbk | damn it |
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| 02:12.46 | Tama^2 | sbk: osso is a prefix to lots of nokia components for the tablet platform |
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| 02:17.17 | Navi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.26 | Navi | Reed teh contextz! |
| 02:18.09 | Tama^2 | I know |
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| 02:18.30 | Tama^2 | but if you scroll back you will see that I myself admitted I am pedantic |
| 02:18.37 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 02:19.18 | Tama^2 | he used it as a proper name in his sentence, so I had to rectify him |
| 02:19.45 | Tama^2 | (if you scroll further back you will find I claim to be driven by compulsion, so it all makes sense you see) |
| 02:19.47 | Tama^2 | >.> |
| 02:20.33 | Tama^2 | on which particular point? |
| 02:20.45 | lcuk | if you scroll far enough back you see the discussion involving tama, a wild sheep and a traffic cone ;) |
| 02:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | That the correction was worthwhile. |
| 02:21.11 | Tama^2 | or you agree with me on anything and everything I have ever said and will say? Please sign on the dotted line |
| 02:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | If you scroll far enough back, you'll see the beginning of time itself. |
| 02:21.49 | Tama^2 | lcuk: I fail to see the connection between me the sheep and the traffic cone |
| 02:21.52 | Tama^2 | >.< |
| 02:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | You were awfully drunk. |
| 02:22.36 | Tama^2 | are you talking to me GA? :P |
| 02:22.43 | lcuk | the beginning of time: Started in 1983: GeneralAntilles stood in line waiting for the nokia a1 teletype luggable to come out ;) |
| 02:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | That's why you don't see the connection. :P |
| 02:23.19 | Tama^2 | pffff |
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| 02:24.05 | Tama^2 | I maybe drunk NOW |
| 02:24.13 | Tama^2 | ..for all you know |
| 02:25.59 | inteliwasp | ... drunk coders... might make intresting programs |
| 02:26.33 | dmz | apparently you don't hang out on w/any defcon folks :) |
| 02:42.08 | sbk | haha I was @ defcon last yr |
| 02:42.15 | sbk | we were twisted |
| 02:42.25 | sbk | what size memory stick goes in this nokia |
| 02:42.39 | sbk | I bought a 8gig SD card |
| 02:42.42 | sbk | and it didnt fit |
| 02:43.07 | GeneralAntilles | N810? |
| 02:43.12 | sbk | yeah |
| 02:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | MiniSd |
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| 02:43.31 | sbk | sonofabitch |
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| 02:43.52 | sbk | cause I got this 1 |
| 02:43.53 | sbk | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148158 |
| 02:43.54 | sbk | no good |
| 02:44.14 | sbk | so this, would have been a better bet? |
| 02:44.15 | sbk | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220295 |
| 02:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah . . . little big. :P |
| 02:44.23 | sbk | just a little bit too! |
| 02:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | That would be THE bet. :P |
| 02:44.39 | sbk | cheaper too :\ |
| 02:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | MicroSD is also an option with adaptor. |
| 02:45.01 | sbk | I have a microSD 2gig |
| 02:45.08 | sbk | but I think the adaptor is SD |
| 02:45.09 | sbk | :/ |
| 02:45.46 | sbk | how do you feel about the GPS on this? |
| 02:45.50 | sbk | in LA it was pretty accurate |
| 02:46.01 | GeneralAntilles | I refuse to buy an N810. |
| 02:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | Waste of money for me. |
| 02:46.11 | sbk | ahh |
| 02:46.16 | sbk | everyone @ work had the 800 |
| 02:46.19 | Navi | OMG |
| 02:46.19 | sbk | but I neeeeded a keyboard |
| 02:46.28 | Navi | sbk, bluetooth keyboard :P |
| 02:46.40 | sbk | I have a logitech dinovo edge |
| 02:46.46 | sbk | but I think its wifi :/ |
| 02:46.52 | Navi | the thumbpad is only a tad better than the vkb |
| 02:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | So it's not really an issue. |
| 02:46.59 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, you're a special case |
| 02:47.03 | Navi | >_> |
| 02:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | Wifi keyboard? <_< |
| 02:47.13 | sbk | I think so dude |
| 02:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | You mean Logitech's proprietary 2.4GHz, surely? |
| 02:47.16 | Navi | lol |
| 02:47.26 | sbk | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/394/192&cl=us,en |
| 02:47.27 | sbk | see |
| 02:47.31 | sbk | I got it like last yr |
| 02:47.33 | sbk | yeah GeneralAntilles |
| 02:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | Thumb is a LOT better than vkb |
| 02:47.51 | Navi | plug it into an N800 via USB host |
| 02:47.55 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, says you |
| 02:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe the prices Logitech gets away with for that silicone nipple trash. |
| 02:48.13 | sbk | yeah, seriously |
| 02:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | Modern keyboard are all shit. |
| 02:48.22 | sbk | hey, I have a problem with my wrists |
| 02:48.24 | sbk | and typing |
| 02:48.24 | Navi | They should go bluetooth >_> |
| 02:48.29 | sbk | that thing worked out great for me |
| 02:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | Thank goodness Unicomp is around to bring some small sanity. |
| 02:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | They used to be BT, Navi, but they moved back to proprietary for some reason. |
| 02:48.54 | Navi | :o |
| 02:48.55 | Navi | Oh yeah |
| 02:49.01 | Navi | my friend has a logitech BT keyboard |
| 02:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's really hard to find BT mice these days. |
| 02:49.13 | sbk | I had the older version of the one I showed you |
| 02:49.17 | sbk | the "dinovo" |
| 02:49.20 | sbk | that was bluetooth |
| 02:49.28 | sbk | but I gave it away when I got my dinovo edge |
| 02:49.45 | sbk | brb gents |
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| 02:50.01 | sbk | btw |
| 02:50.03 | sbk | this site rocks |
| 02:50.04 | sbk | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 02:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | waste. of. money. |
| 02:50.25 | Navi | Unicomp's keyboards are so expensive :P |
| 02:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | Heckuva lot cheaper than that Dinovo. . . . |
| 02:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | Last 5x as long, too. |
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| 02:52.19 | dospod | spp |
| 02:52.23 | dospod | supp |
| 02:52.27 | Navi | http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/on10.html <- Sexy |
| 02:52.58 | Navi | hi dospod |
| 02:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | I want to order a custom Dvorak/Mac/USB one from them. |
| 02:53.16 | Navi | :P |
| 02:53.29 | dospod | hows everyone |
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| 03:01.19 | briand | iGo Stowaway for $37.99 ... that'd work. |
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| 03:11.15 | sbk | good dospod |
| 03:11.19 | sbk | How you doing |
| 03:11.41 | dospod | idk think i set up my browser right lol |
| 03:11.47 | dospod | im good |
| 03:11.53 | sbk | I just setup aircrack |
| 03:13.21 | sbk | hmm, my application manager is still out of date |
| 03:13.22 | sbk | what gives |
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| 03:24.46 | dospod | hey again |
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| 03:25.55 | sbk | these repositories own! |
| 03:26.07 | sbk | best purchase all yr |
| 03:27.09 | dospod | lol |
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| 03:34.31 | SDuensin | Anybody use the iGo Stowaway with an N800? It's not on their compatibility list. |
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| 03:36.26 | Tama^2 | it works |
| 03:36.27 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 03:36.36 | SDuensin | Thanks, Tama^2. :-) |
| 03:37.01 | SDuensin | I need a keyboard, and that virtual laser one is just a tad too geeky for me. <G> |
| 03:37.24 | Tama^2 | it's not too geeky for me! |
| 03:37.29 | Tama^2 | I want it |
| 03:37.30 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 03:37.33 | SDuensin | Hehehe |
| 03:37.53 | SDuensin | Me too, but I just can't see whippin' that out in the middle of a restaurant. |
| 03:38.10 | SDuensin | And I can get a Stowaway for a lot less. |
| 03:38.18 | SDuensin | And use it on the couch. :-) |
| 03:39.04 | Tama^2 | any keyboard in a restaurant will make you look like an hopeless geek anyway :P |
| 03:39.10 | SDuensin | hehehe |
| 03:39.40 | SDuensin | Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. |
| 03:42.39 | sbk | heh |
| 03:42.47 | sbk | the keyboard on the N810 is adequate enough for me |
| 03:43.12 | sbk | I need a female/female usb adaptor to put my contacts in though :\ |
| 03:43.49 | SDuensin | I bought an 800. The 810 was too much for my blood. At least until I prove I'm going to use the 800 enough to make it worth it. |
| 03:44.07 | sbk | I just got the 810 yesturday |
| 03:44.17 | sbk | worth every single penny |
| 03:44.21 | Navi | SDuensin, same here |
| 03:45.30 | SDuensin | Does anyone here actually use the handwriting recognition? |
| 03:46.43 | SDuensin | I loved Graffiti on the Palm, but I can't get anything meaningful out of the 800. |
| 03:48.31 | Navi | SDuensin, I use it from time to time |
| 03:48.51 | Navi | recognizes my stuff fine |
| 03:49.31 | Navi | I'm still trying to get my accuracy down with the thumb board >_> |
| 03:49.37 | Navi | missing letters suck |
| 03:49.52 | sbk | haha |
| 03:49.53 | sbk | yeah |
| 03:52.24 | SDuensin | I gotta use the thumb board. The handwriting recognizer kjadslkta asnq eufak wfd for me. |
| 03:52.47 | sbk | haha |
| 03:52.54 | sbk | I havent even tried that before |
| 03:53.50 | Navi | Handwriting works for M e! |
| 03:53.58 | Navi | well, with a hitch. |
| 03:54.02 | Navi | :P |
| 03:54.07 | SDuensin | Someone insane needs to port Graffiti. |
| 03:55.03 | Navi | I have the speed on highest |
| 03:55.14 | Navi | and it recognizes most of my letters |
| 03:55.31 | Navi | the only letters I have trouble with are y/u and k |
| 03:55.36 | SDuensin | Maybe I just need to tweak it. |
| 03:55.48 | Navi | teach it your handwriting. |
| 03:55.59 | SDuensin | It's sad, but 99% of my use of the 800 so far has been reading books. |
| 03:56.00 | Navi | the default handwriting set almost matches up with mine. |
| 03:56.25 | SDuensin | Maybe I'll teach it Graffiti. |
| 03:57.19 | sbk | this 810 is totally louder than my macbook when using xmms |
| 03:57.25 | SDuensin | hehehe |
| 03:57.57 | sbk | battery is almost toast tho, from installing OS08 and all the apps I need :P |
| 03:58.44 | SDuensin | Yea - WTF is up with the flash tool telling you to UNPLUG the device? Everyone else demands AC power during a flash! |
| 03:58.55 | Navi | on windows? |
| 03:58.56 | sbk | yah! |
| 03:59.01 | sbk | nah mac |
| 03:59.16 | Navi | flasher doesn't tell you to unplug the device, only to do it so it gets all the way off |
| 03:59.28 | SDuensin | Kinda both. I use the Windows flasher in VMware on a Mac. |
| 03:59.34 | sbk | ahh |
| 03:59.39 | Navi | you just plug in the USB cable while it's off, run the flasher tool so it waits, and then plug in the power |
| 03:59.42 | sbk | I used the 770Flasher.app |
| 03:59.43 | Navi | then it flashes |
| 03:59.54 | sbk | thats exactly what I did Navi |
| 03:59.57 | sbk | worked flawlessly |
| 04:00.04 | SDuensin | Then to make it even weirder, I have andLinux installed in Windows in the VM on the Mac. Whew. |
| 04:00.20 | sbk | haha |
| 04:00.37 | sbk | hey on the N810 |
| 04:00.47 | sbk | right above the webcam, is that a light?! |
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| 04:21.23 | Navi | :P |
| 04:24.17 | cLin | is there anyway to get an applet so i can type in the url box right there instead of opening a new browser then typing it in. i know google search is there but it searches for it instead go to it |
| 04:26.22 | sbk | on the 810 it already has an applet like that |
| 04:26.42 | sbk | "web shortcut" |
| 04:27.17 | cLin | our web shortcut shoes a button to OS2008 user site |
| 04:28.20 | sbk | thats weak |
| 04:28.36 | cLin | anyway to have n810 work on n800s? |
| 04:28.38 | sbk | oh oh oh |
| 04:28.43 | sbk | "internet search" |
| 04:28.44 | sbk | app |
| 04:28.59 | sbk | I heard you can use OS08 on the 800 |
| 04:29.05 | sbk | but I'm new to this, just got mine yesturday |
| 04:29.31 | cLin | the internet search app is what i meant about google |
| 04:29.35 | cLin | its a search, not a goto |
| 04:30.33 | sbk | oh I see what you mean |
| 04:30.36 | sbk | not positive bro |
| 04:30.43 | sbk | you search all the repositories? |
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| 04:58.16 | Navi | Apple overdid it with the iPhone's durability ^^; |
| 04:58.39 | Tama^2 | you mean they are too sturdy? |
| 04:58.44 | Navi | Yessir |
| 04:59.02 | sbk | its awesome |
| 04:59.04 | Tama^2 | anyone else getting a warning about a bad certificate when connecting to google via imap with Modest? |
| 04:59.07 | sbk | ive dropped mine mad times lol |
| 04:59.10 | Navi | I do |
| 04:59.13 | sbk | I did Tama^2 |
| 04:59.20 | Navi | It's okay though |
| 04:59.23 | Navi | just accept :P |
| 04:59.28 | Tama^2 | -_- |
| 04:59.33 | Tama^2 | well thank you very much |
| 04:59.38 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 05:00.06 | Tama^2 | something is wrong with the certificate |
| 05:00.13 | Navi | annoy google about it |
| 05:00.47 | Navi | They'll get back to you in 4-6 months |
| 05:00.55 | Tama^2 | well I am assuming it's not a google problem |
| 05:01.15 | Tama^2 | unlikely they have a broken cert |
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| 05:03.56 | K-Fox | http://www.seeqpod.com <----- is it possible to listen music on n800(os2007? |
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| 05:44.00 | Tama^2 | suggestions to manage podcasts? |
| 05:48.24 | pupnik | hmm -ao sdl runs at 48khz and -ao esd runs at 44.1khz but internally the mp3 seems to always be decoded at 48khz |
| 05:49.22 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 05:49.37 | KotCzarny | mp3decsink |
| 05:49.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:49.56 | KotCzarny | just get that working and forget about that |
| 05:50.40 | pupnik | i made a vid that's just at the border of playability with mp3 playback either with dsp or libmad |
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| 05:51.50 | jayholler | join #maemo |
| 05:52.11 | jayholler | hello |
| 05:52.29 | jayholler | exit |
| 05:52.40 | KotCzarny | lame |
| 05:52.42 | pupnik | KotCzarny: morning... http://pupnik.de/Amazon_306.avi |
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| 05:53.32 | oilinki | Tama^2: I'm using canola2 for podcasts |
| 05:53.46 | KotCzarny | pupnik, it had to play without any reencoding |
| 05:53.58 | KotCzarny | otherwise it's too much hassle |
| 05:54.01 | pupnik | not gonna happen for the general case |
| 05:54.10 | Navi | KotCzarny, I'll say it again, I'd hate to have your sleeping habits |
| 05:54.26 | KotCzarny | navi, good thing you aren't me then |
| 05:54.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:54.30 | Navi | :D |
| 05:54.34 | KotCzarny | pupnik, it WILL happen |
| 05:54.39 | KotCzarny | not for HD of course |
| 05:54.43 | Navi | It has to happen. |
| 05:54.49 | KotCzarny | but for mp4, yes |
| 05:54.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:55.14 | Tama^2 | thanks oilinki |
| 05:56.32 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 05:56.46 | KotCzarny | if i clone whole /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 05:56.51 | KotCzarny | i can restore it later? |
| 05:58.25 | pupnik | yes assuming you're not booted on it or mounting it |
| 05:58.38 | Navi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toROK6C5U-Q& |
| 05:58.39 | Navi | lol |
| 05:58.53 | KotCzarny | does flasher restore it in whole or just partially? |
| 05:58.59 | pupnik | how about trying codecs mpeg2video, msmpeg4, wmv1 libtheora etc? |
| 05:59.20 | KotCzarny | pupnik, wmvs are usually low res |
| 05:59.27 | KotCzarny | at least those from web |
| 05:59.43 | KotCzarny | mpeg2 is intensive i guess |
| 05:59.52 | KotCzarny | msmpeg4 is mpeg4 |
| 06:00.13 | KotCzarny | and my guess it will have similiar performance to xvid |
| 06:00.13 | pupnik | msmpeg's 'divx 3' according to mencoder |
| 06:01.30 | pupnik | well i can benchmark with -vo null to see codec overhead |
| 06:02.00 | KotCzarny | they can have different drawing patterns |
| 06:02.15 | KotCzarny | so it's better to benchmark them in the way you will use them later |
| 06:02.43 | KotCzarny | also -benchmark shows you codec overhead too |
| 06:02.52 | pupnik | yes i'll try both |
| 06:04.49 | sbk | havi |
| 06:04.52 | sbk | Navi: ** |
| 06:04.54 | sbk | thats old |
| 06:04.57 | sbk | you ever see the beer 1? |
| 06:05.01 | Navi | :P |
| 06:05.03 | Navi | yes |
| 06:05.06 | sbk | those same out the same day |
| 06:05.08 | sbk | as the iphoone |
| 06:05.21 | sbk | I was searching like a motherfucker for that |
| 06:05.22 | sbk | haha |
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| 06:21.39 | pupnik | KotCzarny: you need to disable -vo to see effect of codec load |
| 06:22.34 | pupnik | mpeg2 ran 1000 frames @ 25fps in 18.386 seconds, wmv1 ran in 27.684 seconds |
| 06:23.29 | KotCzarny | but you won't know how much will they actually draw on screen |
| 06:23.47 | KotCzarny | but it's nice to know that mpeg2 is faster |
| 06:23.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:23.52 | pupnik | screen is bandwidth limited anyway |
| 06:24.32 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:24.39 | KotCzarny | that's why it's important too |
| 06:25.47 | pupnik | how fast do you think mplayer can draw yuv video to 800x480 screen without codec cpu load |
| 06:26.04 | KotCzarny | it doesn't draw whole frame at a time |
| 06:26.14 | KotCzarny | it can be enough to update only part of it |
| 06:26.15 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 06:26.24 | KotCzarny | that's why it can matter |
| 06:26.53 | KotCzarny | they say bandwidth is 18M |
| 06:27.17 | KotCzarny | echo $[800*480*2*25/1024] |
| 06:27.17 | KotCzarny | 18750 |
| 06:27.24 | KotCzarny | that'w 25fps |
| 06:27.39 | KotCzarny | in 16bpp |
| 06:30.00 | pupnik | ok well i now have 800x480 video that decodes at ~30fps without sound |
| 06:30.25 | KotCzarny | echo $[800*480*2*30/1024] |
| 06:30.25 | KotCzarny | 22500 |
| 06:30.30 | pupnik | with -vo null |
| 06:31.40 | pupnik | with xv it gets 25.589 fps @400mhz |
| 06:31.49 | KotCzarny | w/o sound |
| 06:31.50 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:32.05 | pupnik | so mpeg2 could do fullscreen video |
| 06:32.11 | pupnik | full-res that is |
| 06:32.24 | pupnik | with dspmp3 if we could keep 400mhz |
| 06:32.33 | KotCzarny | in sync |
| 06:32.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:32.45 | KotCzarny | that would be the problem |
| 06:32.49 | pupnik | however at 333mhz |
| 06:34.01 | pupnik | it only gets 16.54 fps |
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| 06:34.54 | pupnik | plus it doesn't look very good |
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| 06:36.20 | Tama^2 | hi again |
| 06:36.44 | pupnik | hello |
| 06:37.16 | pupnik | however with my bordercase amazon video it always looks smoother with gstreamer than with libmad |
| 06:37.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:41.05 | cLin | is therea button that works like the enter button? |
| 06:41.12 | KotCzarny | dpad |
| 06:41.12 | cLin | like one of the directions on the dpad? |
| 06:41.23 | pupnik | 400x240 mp4 benchmarks at 43.40 fps |
| 06:41.31 | cLin | whenever i press the middle one it opens the keyboard |
| 06:41.34 | KotCzarny | 400x240 if pff |
| 06:41.35 | christefano | is there an IRC client for maemo? |
| 06:41.42 | cLin | christefano, xchat |
| 06:41.42 | pupnik | yes |
| 06:41.46 | KotCzarny | clin: change that in prefs |
| 06:41.48 | christefano | thanks |
| 06:41.52 | pupnik | xchat, pidgin, irssi |
| 06:42.24 | pupnik | but even 400x240 gets jerky playback with libmad here |
| 06:42.58 | christefano | I just ordered an n810 and am gathering a few programs |
| 06:43.22 | KotCzarny | chrinsefano: in short, every linux program should work |
| 06:43.26 | KotCzarny | after compiling |
| 06:43.36 | pupnik | that is false |
| 06:43.40 | KotCzarny | 'should' |
| 06:43.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 06:44.10 | KotCzarny | most of the software i have tried compiled without a problem |
| 06:44.13 | KotCzarny | and ran fine too |
| 06:44.15 | Tama^2 | liar ! xD |
| 06:44.21 | christefano | that's exactly what draws me to it :) |
| 06:44.55 | KotCzarny | i haven't tried compiling firefox, though ;) |
| 06:45.17 | christefano | is there a minimo for maemo yet? |
| 06:46.34 | Tama^2 | HANDWRITlNG Test |
| 06:47.07 | KotCzarny | you have done well, padawan |
| 06:47.24 | KotCzarny | now try this backwards |
| 06:47.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:47.58 | kikka | Heya! |
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| 06:59.27 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions |
| 06:59.29 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 06:59.36 | KotCzarny | anyone has spare cpu power? |
| 06:59.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:05.41 | Tama^2 | GooDNight Computer |
| 07:05.45 | KotCzarny | go go |
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| 07:09.54 | Tama^2 | is aircrack available for chinook? |
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| 07:46.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:49.33 | n800music | is there a xchat .deb for os2008? |
| 07:49.42 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 07:49.48 | rm_you | yes |
| 07:50.00 | n800music | can't find it :/ |
| 07:50.12 | rm_you | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 07:50.31 | KotCzarny | isn't that rm -rf ? |
| 07:50.44 | rm_you | ? |
| 07:50.52 | rm_you | no |
| 07:51.13 | KotCzarny | in all *nic books it's -rf |
| 07:51.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:51.15 | rm_you | though i hadn't actually looked at the domain name like that before :P lol |
| 07:51.18 | KotCzarny | *nix |
| 07:51.24 | rm_you | yes, usually |
| 07:52.06 | Tama^3 | rm-rf was already taken probably |
| 07:52.11 | n800music | sahweeet. |
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| 07:55.30 | n800music | thanksies |
| 07:55.50 | n800music | pidgin hogs the whole screen |
| 07:56.03 | n800music | you see 3.5 lines |
| 07:56.13 | Navi | pidgin sucks. |
| 07:56.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:56.47 | n800music | i think it's decent |
| 07:56.50 | cLin | hrm, i used canola cleanup cause it had a problem detecting files but now i can't download |
| 07:56.59 | n800music | but not on maemo |
| 07:57.01 | cLin | everything fails in application manager even though the internet works |
| 07:57.13 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:57.20 | KotCzarny | canola sucka? |
| 07:57.22 | KotCzarny | sucks |
| 07:57.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:57.30 | cLin | well, obviously now i know |
| 07:57.40 | cLin | i cant install any applications |
| 07:57.44 | cLin | >:( |
| 07:57.59 | KotCzarny | run terminal and then apt-get something |
| 07:58.12 | KotCzarny | at least it will show you what's wrong |
| 07:58.20 | KotCzarny | or see the logs option in app-manager |
| 07:58.38 | cLin | ok |
| 07:59.00 | cLin | man, this thing is annoyin. sometimes the key responds slow or the dpadjams and goes down a lot |
| 07:59.51 | cLin | says fail to fetch, something about a read only file system |
| 07:59.54 | cLin | how did that happen |
| 08:00.05 | KotCzarny | corruption |
| 08:00.07 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:00.11 | KotCzarny | reboot |
| 08:00.22 | cLin | not using locking for read only lock file filepatch |
| 08:00.27 | KotCzarny | if that won't help connect via usb and chkdsk |
| 08:00.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:00.33 | cLin | reboot? turn off and turn on? |
| 08:00.35 | cLin | i did that already |
| 08:00.40 | cLin | ok, guess i need tochkdsk |
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| 08:05.07 | rm_you | how do I *exit* UKMP!? >_> |
| 08:05.37 | KotCzarny | killall ? |
| 08:05.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:05.45 | KotCzarny | try clicking menu button |
| 08:05.56 | rm_you | i can hit the home button and close it with the X button, or kill via terminal... but it doesn't properly close >_> |
| 08:06.11 | KotCzarny | kill -9 ? |
| 08:06.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:06.34 | rm_you | it leaves music playing in the background <_< |
| 08:06.42 | KotCzarny | probably more to it |
| 08:06.46 | rm_you | yeah. |
| 08:06.46 | KotCzarny | ps ax|grep -i okmp |
| 08:06.49 | KotCzarny | ps ax|grep -i ukmp |
| 08:07.07 | rm_you | i was more hoping that there was an actual exit feature somewhere |
| 08:07.14 | rm_you | and i just failed at finding it |
| 08:07.26 | KotCzarny | last time i used it it closed properly |
| 08:07.34 | KotCzarny | but it's medialibrarized |
| 08:07.37 | rm_you | was there a button or something? |
| 08:07.38 | KotCzarny | *sucks* |
| 08:07.44 | rm_you | >_> |
| 08:07.49 | KotCzarny | i don't know, i have uninstalled it |
| 08:07.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:08.09 | n800music | is opera for 2008 available? |
| 08:08.17 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 08:08.25 | rm_you | i wish >_> |
| 08:08.27 | rm_you | havent seen it |
| 08:08.40 | KotCzarny | os2k7 wersion doesn't work? |
| 08:09.03 | cLin | whattt, how is my memory card in use if nothing is open |
| 08:09.09 | n800music | i don't think so |
| 08:09.18 | KotCzarny | clin, swap? |
| 08:09.49 | n800music | i think mozilla's is too memory hungry, i'd like to try opera |
| 08:09.51 | cLin | how can i check |
| 08:10.00 | KotCzarny | type free in terminal |
| 08:10.11 | KotCzarny | and see if it's enabled |
| 08:10.13 | cLin | oh man this thing is lagging like crazy, but when i hook it up via usb to my computer, it speeds up |
| 08:10.31 | cLin | says swap : 0 0 0 |
| 08:10.35 | KotCzarny | clin: media-crawler |
| 08:10.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:10.47 | cLin | whats that |
| 08:10.56 | KotCzarny | hog. |
| 08:10.58 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:11.06 | KotCzarny | i have disabled it altogether |
| 08:11.13 | KotCzarny | i don't use media libraries |
| 08:11.17 | cLin | how do i know if thats the source? |
| 08:11.23 | svu_ | anyone managed to make os2008 use ntp server provided by dhcp? |
| 08:11.24 | KotCzarny | run terminal |
| 08:11.27 | KotCzarny | and type: top |
| 08:11.29 | cLin | i mean, i just rebooted so idont know why its like this |
| 08:11.33 | KotCzarny | then: shift-p |
| 08:11.47 | KotCzarny | media-crawler crawls your data files ALL the time |
| 08:11.49 | rm_you | how did you disable media-crawler? |
| 08:12.02 | KotCzarny | rm_you: /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 08:12.09 | rm_you | k |
| 08:12.15 | KotCzarny | and remove or rename Scosmethingmedia-crawler |
| 08:12.18 | cLin | holy shit |
| 08:12.18 | KotCzarny | to Ksomething |
| 08:12.23 | cLin | metalayer-crawl |
| 08:12.27 | cLin | 96% cpu |
| 08:12.30 | KotCzarny | ah, yes, metalayer-crawl |
| 08:12.31 | cLin | FUCK THAT |
| 08:12.38 | cLin | what is it and can i get rid of it |
| 08:12.44 | KotCzarny | just wait it off |
| 08:12.57 | cLin | mmcqd is 35% |
| 08:12.59 | KotCzarny | after a while it will get down to reasonable cpu usage |
| 08:13.01 | cLin | metalayer went down to 1 |
| 08:13.25 | cLin | i dont see media crawler though |
| 08:13.28 | KotCzarny | it crawls EVERYTHING after you connect via usb or reboot the device |
| 08:13.39 | cLin | there's only 6 processes |
| 08:13.45 | KotCzarny | when i was saying media-crawler i meant metalayer-crawl |
| 08:13.51 | cLin | oh |
| 08:14.09 | cLin | how long will it take? |
| 08:14.11 | KotCzarny | if you want to know more about it just google |
| 08:14.19 | KotCzarny | that depends on how many files you have |
| 08:14.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:14.33 | cLin | cani disable it without any consequences? |
| 08:14.35 | KotCzarny | for me it was 10-120 seconds |
| 08:15.11 | cLin | do large files slow it down? i just put in my music which was around 2 gigs |
| 08:15.22 | KotCzarny | if you want to have all your mp3/videos/images automatically added to your media library then you have to keep it running |
| 08:15.54 | KotCzarny | just google about it |
| 08:15.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:16.02 | KotCzarny | i can be wrong |
| 08:16.04 | cLin | well i mean in programslike canola don't they have that refreshoption that does it for you? and i am, im reading some thread on ITT |
| 08:16.06 | KotCzarny | i'm not an expert |
| 08:16.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:18.25 | rm_you | yeah i dont use any of the builtin media stuff |
| 08:18.34 | rm_you | so the crawler is kind of useless |
| 08:18.41 | KotCzarny | more than that |
| 08:18.44 | KotCzarny | it's a hog. |
| 08:18.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:19.05 | cLin | oh man |
| 08:19.07 | cLin | im disabling it |
| 08:19.12 | cLin | i cant even type root |
| 08:19.19 | cLin | it goes rooooott |
| 08:19.22 | cLin | or rottttttt |
| 08:19.26 | cLin | or rrroootttt |
| 08:19.32 | KotCzarny | use ssh |
| 08:19.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:20.02 | cLin | oh yea |
| 08:21.20 | cLin | when i type kill metalayer-crawl is says bad pid |
| 08:21.28 | KotCzarny | use killall |
| 08:21.36 | KotCzarny | kill needs numerical pid |
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| 08:21.46 | cLin | wouldnt that kill all processes? |
| 08:22.00 | KotCzarny | read what killall does |
| 08:22.01 | rm_you | killing it wont help, it autorestarts |
| 08:22.06 | rm_you | you need to run: |
| 08:22.21 | rm_you | /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop |
| 08:22.42 | cLin | wouldnt it just start up again when i reboot? |
| 08:22.56 | rm_you | yes |
| 08:23.02 | cLin | i just followed some guys advice and renamed it |
| 08:23.03 | rm_you | you'd need to remove it from the default runlevel |
| 08:23.07 | cLin | added .deactivate at the end |
| 08:25.48 | KotCzarny | canola-conf is metalayer-crawler's cousin done by canola team. It is a bit funny, they are from Nokia too but instead of making one good media scanning daemon together, they chose to make two (less good) ones. |
| 08:25.50 | KotCzarny | eheheh |
| 08:25.53 | KotCzarny | canola sucks. |
| 08:25.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:26.12 | cLin | what do u use for media? |
| 08:26.19 | KotCzarny | mplayer and playfilelist |
| 08:26.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:26.32 | cLin | playfilelist? |
| 08:26.40 | KotCzarny | it's my ncurses ui to mplayer |
| 08:26.46 | cLin | oh |
| 08:26.53 | KotCzarny | a hacked version of playmp3list |
| 08:27.25 | KotCzarny | ncurses ui is the best |
| 08:27.30 | cLin | got a link? |
| 08:27.41 | KotCzarny | one can run it on a 'screen' and log out |
| 08:27.44 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 08:27.48 | KotCzarny | i'm still developing it |
| 08:27.59 | KotCzarny | if you like i can give you a source/binary |
| 08:28.02 | cLin | speaking of screen, when i ssh into my n800, i cant use screen |
| 08:28.04 | cLin | says its not found |
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| 08:28.18 | KotCzarny | install it, doh. |
| 08:28.26 | cLin | oh, thought it came installed |
| 08:28.37 | KotCzarny | most of good *nix stuff is optional |
| 08:28.52 | Navi | luls |
| 08:28.56 | KotCzarny | but available fortunately |
| 08:28.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:31.38 | KotCzarny | http://madabar.com/exailemaemo/ |
| 08:31.40 | KotCzarny | YES! |
| 08:31.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:32.04 | KotCzarny | files tag looks promising from screenshot |
| 08:32.36 | n800music | is there a way to change fot size? |
| 08:32.44 | n800music | font |
| 08:32.51 | n800music | or type? |
| 08:32.58 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 08:33.05 | n800music | hehe |
| 08:33.07 | KotCzarny | via gtk-themes i guess |
| 08:33.11 | cLin | haha, i was just looking at that after you said canola sucks |
| 08:33.15 | cLin | saw it in some thread on itt |
| 08:33.20 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 08:33.25 | cLin | does look nice though |
| 08:33.28 | cLin | reminds me of foobar |
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| 08:42.37 | K-Fox | http://www.seeqpod.com <----- is it possible to listen music on n800(os2007? |
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| 08:43.34 | KotCzarny | does that site works anyway? |
| 08:43.34 | n800music | i tried,no go |
| 08:43.43 | KotCzarny | looks broken in my firefox |
| 08:44.05 | n800music | its great on standard comouters |
| 08:44.15 | KotCzarny | doesn't work on mine |
| 08:44.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:44.28 | n800music | also woonz.com |
| 08:44.41 | n800music | same thing |
| 08:44.59 | KotCzarny | it's a flash |
| 08:45.04 | KotCzarny | probably badly written |
| 08:45.06 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 09:15.16 | dookdook | ssvb, you around? |
| 09:15.40 | ssvb | dookdook: yes |
| 09:16.19 | dookdook | i'm having some more compile errors...i'm sorry, i'm still a little fuzzy on what exactly is going on |
| 09:16.27 | dookdook | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.44 | dookdook | compiled with: -mcpu=arm926ej-s -g3 -mtune=arm1136j-s |
| 09:18.23 | ssvb | dookdook: nokia 770 does not support usat instruction |
| 09:18.32 | dookdook | i've got a nokia n800 |
| 09:18.40 | dookdook | thats what i'm trying to compile for |
| 09:18.53 | KotCzarny | leave out -mcpu and mtune ? |
| 09:19.05 | ssvb | dookdook: but you are compiling code compatible with 770 |
| 09:19.24 | ssvb | just set -mcpu=arm1136jf-s |
| 09:20.00 | ssvb | you can 'man gcc' |
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| 09:20.11 | dookdook | ach, yes, thank you... |
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| 09:27.13 | pupnik | ssvb: pls see http://pupnik.de/Amazon_240.avi - i can not get smooth playback with libmad but i can running nosound and a dspmp3 task in the background |
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| 09:29.26 | pupnik | 600kb/s 400x240 xvid mpeg4 with vbr mp3 |
| 09:29.38 | pupnik | using .24 |
| 09:29.43 | KotCzarny | use .25 |
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| 09:29.54 | KotCzarny | .24 has a bug with slow xvid decoding |
| 09:30.01 | pupnik | mm? thanks |
| 09:31.33 | pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel.deb |
| 09:32.30 | KotCzarny | as long as it suits you, no |
| 09:32.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:32.41 | pupnik | hey it's noticeably better |
| 09:32.55 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986 |
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| 09:33.04 | KotCzarny | here you have changes since .24 |
| 09:33.52 | pupnik | wrong link |
| 09:34.01 | pupnik | oh bad paste |
| 09:34.02 | pupnik | sorry |
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| 09:39.24 | ssvb | pupnik: the difference is in "Fixed issue #2091 ('nokia770 video driver does not get enabled on N810')", xv video output is still slow |
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| 09:39.56 | KotCzarny | what about: * Fixed issue #1962 ('mp4(divx) playing VERY slowly with MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0') ? |
| 09:39.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:40.57 | ssvb | KotCzarny: that is a bugfix for proper mp4 container files support, it has nothing to do with avi files |
| 09:41.18 | KotCzarny | then description is misleading |
| 09:41.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:42.08 | ssvb | the description is fine, it mentions mp4 container format with divx encoded data in it |
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| 09:43.06 | ssvb | anyway, that's the summary of the following bugreport: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1962&group_id=54&atid=269 |
| 09:43.07 | KotCzarny | one usually thinks avi is just a header and index for encoded data |
| 09:44.18 | cLin | hey KotCzarny i asked you earlier about the enter button, where is it in the prefernce? only option i find is having dpad open the finder keyboard |
| 09:45.35 | KotCzarny | text input -> launch inger keyboard with []: |
| 09:45.54 | cLin | thats what i found. if i unselect it, does it act as enter? |
| 09:46.00 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 09:49.48 | pupnik | does libmad always render audio to 48khz? i speficied -af resample=22050:2 in mencoder (mplayer reports AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 80.0 kbit/) |
| 09:50.11 | KotCzarny | thst's a source file format |
| 09:50.22 | KotCzarny | not what is ctually rendered by mplayer |
| 09:51.12 | pupnik | how do i force a lower mp3 encoder rate with mencoder? i'm trying |
| 09:51.16 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.51 | KotCzarny | hmm, or i may be wrong |
| 09:51.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:52.19 | KotCzarny | add -srate 22050 |
| 09:52.20 | pupnik | mplayer on PC also says the audio is 48khz |
| 09:52.32 | KotCzarny | after -af |
| 09:52.55 | KotCzarny | -af resample=22050 -srate 22050 |
| 09:53.07 | pupnik | ok |
| 09:53.09 | KotCzarny | but 22khz sucks. |
| 09:53.20 | KotCzarny | don't go lower than 32khz |
| 09:54.01 | pupnik | also i noticed that the -ao sdl runs at 48khz but -ao esd runs at 44100 khz on the backend |
| 09:55.38 | pupnik | for some things, low fi audio is ok if it buys me better performance |
| 09:56.16 | KotCzarny | you will have to reencode when that mp3decsink will be fixed |
| 09:56.27 | pupnik | thanks for the -srate tip - that worked |
| 09:56.52 | pupnik | funny now i'm getting crazy bitrates reported |
| 09:56.55 | pupnik | VIDEO: [XVID] 520x312 12bpp 25.000 fps 42469.7 kbps (5184.3 kbyte/s) |
| 09:57.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:57.14 | KotCzarny | but it plays ok? |
| 09:57.23 | pupnik | yes on PC it reports |
| 09:57.26 | pupnik | VIDEO: [XVID] 520x312 12bpp 25.000 fps -17179870.0 kbps (-2097152.0 kbyte/s) |
| 09:57.46 | pupnik | i was changing the xvid bitrate - i think I specified 800 |
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| 10:12.05 | pupnik | argh it was just because the file was incomplete that the br was reported wrong |
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| 10:16.10 | KotCzarny | # |
| 10:16.10 | KotCzarny | It appears that regardless of the memory cards being unused (or even umounted), they do not enter low power mode. Is this a problem with the cards, with the OS or just an unfortunate combination of card model+OS? |
| 10:16.15 | KotCzarny | http://www.drlinux.it/maemo/battery_consumption.html |
| 10:16.21 | KotCzarny | can anyone comment on that? |
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| 10:20.16 | `0660_ | well, when i removed the memory card that came with the device from the external slot my battery seems to have lasted a lot longer |
| 10:20.44 | lcuk2 | yes, the font is too small ;) as for the situation itself i am unhappy with how quickly the 810 drains |
| 10:20.47 | `0660_ | a lot more longer in fact, but in the other hand that's just a gut feeling :) |
| 10:20.58 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 10:21.31 | KotCzarny | i should do some battery tests |
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| 10:22.59 | `0660_ | would be nice to have more tests written about that topic |
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| 10:23.37 | KotCzarny | at least someone hacked a battery meter tool |
| 10:23.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 10:25.14 | Veggen | people - the problem with the long version number - is there any workaround? besides disabling repository.maemo.org chinook free ? |
| 10:25.27 | lcuk2 | ll i know about the battery is that i have returned to my device far too oten to find it totally dead |
| 10:25.36 | KotCzarny | veggen: file a bug report |
| 10:25.51 | KotCzarny | or just hack /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 10:26.02 | Tama^2 | naaa |
| 10:26.10 | Tama^2 | battery tests are for losers |
| 10:26.20 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 10:26.24 | KotCzarny | there's only 2 files that have insane version string |
| 10:26.40 | Veggen | libfaad2 and faad2, yes. |
| 10:26.52 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny, battery tests make you hate your N800 |
| 10:26.56 | Tama^2 | believe me |
| 10:27.00 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 10:27.12 | KotCzarny | i've read that n810 is even worse |
| 10:27.15 | KotCzarny | in that matter |
| 10:27.24 | KotCzarny | (or was it other way around?) |
| 10:28.09 | lcuk2 | i know the 810 is bad, and i cant even unplug a memory card to test if its that |
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| 10:29.52 | Tama^2 | How does one disable the word completition bar when using a BT keyboard? |
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| 10:30.49 | lcuk2 | tama, its in the control panel quite well buried away, if you start messing about in control panel tho you will hate your n8x0 ;) |
| 10:31.03 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 10:31.08 | KotCzarny | it's only first time |
| 10:31.09 | Tama^2 | Without any memory card inserted my N800 battery lasts almost 9 days |
| 10:31.14 | KotCzarny | then your setup will be optimal |
| 10:31.16 | Tama^2 | buried where? |
| 10:31.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:31.25 | Tama^2 | O.o |
| 10:31.25 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 10:31.32 | Tama^2 | please help me |
| 10:31.33 | KotCzarny | but without any memory card it's no fun |
| 10:31.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:31.51 | KotCzarny | though i can consider 1gb vs 12gb |
| 10:31.52 | KotCzarny | (: |
| 10:32.07 | KotCzarny | if that would mean better times |
| 10:32.22 | Tama^2 | btw it is creepy to see ppl quoting me in chan, I will have to pull that webpage xD |
| 10:32.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:32.46 | lcuk2 | control panel/ text input settings / language tab/ settings button. but its for always - you cant decide sometimes with, and sometimes without |
| 10:32.58 | KotCzarny | tama: then add info about you on the page |
| 10:33.03 | Tama^2 | ah, I see |
| 10:33.05 | KotCzarny | nick@irc-net |
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| 10:33.44 | Tama^2 | KotCzarny, I am shy ;_; |
| 10:34.00 | Tama^2 | thanks lcuk2 |
| 10:34.29 | KotCzarny | shy, but you have a google accessible website? |
| 10:34.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:34.58 | Tama^2 | I was looking for a way to disable it only for the keyboard, I guess that will have to do |
| 10:35.06 | Tama^2 | well I am not really shy ;) |
| 10:36.48 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 10:36.55 | KotCzarny | looks like n800 is superior to n810 |
| 10:36.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 10:37.00 | KotCzarny | http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/19/n800-vs-n810-or-who-should-consider-buying-nokia-n810/ |
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| 10:38.26 | lcuk2 | nahhh, 800 is great if you can cope with covering the screen or want diff mem cards, but the 810 is more rounded and accessible to a none tablet person. i looked and thought @hmmm@ at 800, but just drooled at 810 and had to get it |
| 10:38.52 | Jaffa | N810's styling is very drool worthy |
| 10:39.03 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 10:39.10 | lcuk2 | even tho now i am typing with an apple keyboard i prefer having a full board for when i am away from my pit |
| 10:39.11 | Jaffa | Here's hoping OS2009 is a big jump in shiny s/w |
| 10:39.34 | lcuk2 | it cant be that big a jump really else they will lose compatability |
| 10:40.09 | KotCzarny | if you don't mind hildonization most of apps can be recompiled |
| 10:40.14 | KotCzarny | so it's not a problem |
| 10:40.38 | johnx | you can make pretty big changes without breaking API compatibility, especially in the user facing apps |
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| 10:40.59 | Jaffa | lcuk2: I reckon they can sort many of the UI issues without changing the API (if not the ABI) |
| 10:41.17 | lcuk2 | yer but if they up the shinyness the 8x0 will struggle to cope cpu power wise, not api compatability |
| 10:41.23 | Jaffa | True |
| 10:41.28 | lcuk2 | its already at limits for most things now |
| 10:41.32 | Jaffa | Damn the real world |
| 10:41.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:41.55 | KotCzarny | upgradeable cpu would be nice |
| 10:41.55 | Jaffa | Yeah, whomever thought auto-scrolling on the RSS applet was a good idea on a battery, CPU and GPU-constrained device needs to be shot. |
| 10:42.21 | lcuk2 | well, we could have a free upgrade if we could get it pointed in the right direction |
| 10:42.51 | Tama^2 | autoscrolling can be disabled |
| 10:42.51 | lcuk2 | we have coprocessors just lying idle right now ;( |
| 10:43.03 | Tama^2 | and it does not scroll when it is not exposed |
| 10:43.15 | lcuk2 | i disabled the rss applet but osso rss reader still runs - how can i kill it |
| 10:43.29 | lcuk2 | for all time |
| 10:44.30 | Tama^2 | do you have it on auto refresh feeds? |
| 10:44.50 | lcuk2 | i never configured it - it had what it came with - i just removed it from desktop |
| 10:45.25 | aquatix | morning |
| 10:45.58 | Tama^2 | let me check I have a fresh install too |
| 10:46.07 | lcuk2 | thanks tho, i just re-enabled it, configured and found it was set - why should it update if its not in use? |
| 10:46.17 | KotCzarny | no rss threads in my ps ax |
| 10:46.35 | KotCzarny | lcuk: for faster access? |
| 10:46.42 | lcuk2 | they update whenever i reconnected to wifi |
| 10:47.05 | lcuk2 | so i got a cpu spike of about 50% for about a minute |
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| 10:48.58 | KotCzarny | maemo-launcher uses 3% cpu constantly, i wonder what is it doing |
| 10:49.05 | lcuk2 | i noticed it because i would reconnect and instantly try to test my program it would go slow |
| 10:49.12 | lcuk2 | launching things obviously |
| 10:49.19 | lcuk2 | ;) |
| 10:49.20 | KotCzarny | obviously not |
| 10:49.29 | KotCzarny | pids are not increasing |
| 10:50.15 | lcuk2 | i noticed xomap was taking lots |
| 10:50.17 | Tama^2 | reading dbus noise maybe |
| 10:50.24 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 10:50.49 | KotCzarny | let's strace it |
| 10:50.51 | KotCzarny | *grin* |
| 10:50.55 | Tama^2 | also consider that 3% when idle is 3% @ 165MHz |
| 10:50.58 | Tama^2 | not much |
| 10:51.14 | lcuk2 | thats #% more than it should be for an idle device |
| 10:51.21 | lcuk2 | 3 even |
| 10:51.23 | KotCzarny | still, 3% @ 165 is more than 0 |
| 10:51.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:51.46 | KotCzarny | yes, it's polling constantly |
| 10:53.08 | Tama^2 | It's interesting, I have flashed OS2007 and went back to OS2008 and now touchscreen pressure works (before it would not) |
| 10:53.18 | Tama^2 | polling what? |
| 10:53.37 | pupnik | how do you measure pressure? |
| 10:53.50 | KotCzarny | how can i ask strace to report fd names? |
| 10:54.07 | lcuk2 | does anyone know about x11 xevents? - i have been attempting to slow my program down when no events occur (i call into xnextevent) but i am constantly getting an event type of 65 but cant seem to identify it from the event mask or anywhere in the headers. any ideas? |
| 10:54.12 | Tama^2 | maemopad plus would not detect any difference in the stylus pressure |
| 10:54.17 | Tama^2 | now it does |
| 10:54.46 | lcuk2 | if you reflashed perhaps it reset the maemopad+ setting for @pressure sensitive@ ;) |
| 10:54.52 | KotCzarny | lcuk: you can set a mask what events you want to receive |
| 10:55.13 | lcuk2 | yes i know and i masked it to only keypress and release |
| 10:55.21 | lcuk2 | but this ev 65 still occured |
| 10:55.23 | Tama^2 | nah I checked that before and it was already set to be pressure sensitive |
| 10:55.40 | KotCzarny | lcuk: maybe some emulated key event? |
| 10:55.40 | Tama^2 | ;) |
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| 10:56.07 | lcuk2 | i got rid of everything i could, im tempted to think its a screen finished updating event but i dont like assumptions |
| 10:56.38 | KotCzarny | tama: http://pastebin.com/mddc3b44 |
| 10:56.49 | johnx | woo! cheap usb keyboard is go! |
| 10:57.08 | KotCzarny | that's the part repeated ~2 times per second |
| 10:57.31 | johnx | aquatix, I just got a usb female-female |
| 10:57.35 | lcuk2 | johnx, i tried that before i got this apple board |
| 10:57.43 | Tama^3 | poll instead of select, mmmm |
| 10:57.44 | lcuk2 | but i didnt like the fiddly wires |
| 10:58.19 | johnx | the female to female isn't a wire, neither is the mini-b to A-male |
| 10:58.24 | johnx | they're both short adapters |
| 10:58.33 | lcuk2 | and on 810 i cant plug it in with the kickstand closed |
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| 10:58.44 | johnx | lcuk2 same with N800 |
| 10:58.53 | KotCzarny | wireless kbd ftw! |
| 10:58.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:58.54 | lcuk2 | so i cant use my cradle with it |
| 10:58.55 | kikka | Wow, the app-manager hate me. doesn't start. so, I will only use apt |
| 10:59.03 | johnx | that's not so great, but I won't use the keyboard unless I'm at a flat surface anyways, so I don't see the point in wireless |
| 10:59.17 | johnx | kikka, the app manager hates *everyone* |
| 10:59.28 | KotCzarny | mine, works |
| 10:59.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:59.33 | lcuk2 | mmmmmmmmy wireless is working for a distanceeeeee of about 2 inches, but its a very important distance that no wire can cross cleanly |
| 10:59.37 | KotCzarny | but i have broken apt-get |
| 10:59.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:59.47 | lcuk2 | ooooh, this stutter is bad occasionally |
| 10:59.49 | aquatix | KotCzarny: i have an iGo and i'm loving it :) |
| 10:59.59 | aquatix | but usb host for card reader or something may be cool |
| 11:00.01 | KotCzarny | i will have to buy one |
| 11:00.03 | aquatix | or portable hdd |
| 11:00.04 | KotCzarny | sooner or later |
| 11:00.12 | KotCzarny | for now i'm loving wlan and ssh |
| 11:00.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:00.15 | aquatix | iGo stopped making them :( |
| 11:00.59 | johnx | I'll probably hack up an ugly stand to attach my N800 to the keyboard...next stop: hardware store, but not today |
| 11:01.17 | pupnik | duct tape... |
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| 11:01.34 | johnx | I'm thinking maybe a door mounting plate type thing |
| 11:01.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:01.39 | johnx | dunno what it's called |
| 11:01.48 | spirytusick | johnx: a hinge ? |
| 11:01.50 | KotCzarny | vesa mount? |
| 11:01.54 | johnx | not a hinge though |
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| 11:02.14 | lcuk2 | lol @ getting a tilt n swivel bracket for your 810 |
| 11:02.49 | spirytusick | lcuk2: yep, flexibility and durability, stainless steel!! just fantastic :) |
| 11:02.52 | KotCzarny | it's a pity n8x0 doesn't have four button on the right side too |
| 11:02.52 | johnx | I'm just happy that my keyboard works |
| 11:02.55 | KotCzarny | (like in psp) |
| 11:02.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:03.07 | lcuk2 | aaaaaaaactually, its a shame they didnt include a camera tripod mounting screw to the base |
| 11:03.17 | lcuk2 | ffffs @ stutter |
| 11:03.29 | johnx | that would have been really nice |
| 11:03.47 | kikka | johnx: Thanks :) |
| 11:03.58 | spirytusick | lcuk2: I'll grab by mate's n810 and see if it can be drilled. I am sure he wouldn't mind :) |
| 11:04.10 | lcuk2 | lol spiry |
| 11:04.11 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 11:04.22 | lcuk2 | does anyone else have bt keyboard stutter like i appear to be having |
| 11:04.24 | KotCzarny | just break old dig-cam and superglue the part |
| 11:04.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:04.45 | megabyte405 | lcuk2: with high cpu usage or long holds on the keys, yeah |
| 11:04.49 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: might work, but it will look ugly as hell :) |
| 11:04.52 | megabyte405 | press quicker or run less stuff |
| 11:04.54 | lcuk2 | thats just the sensible approach, best go with the drilling "its the only way to be sure" |
| 11:05.00 | KotCzarny | make it cute then! |
| 11:05.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:05.14 | KotCzarny | yesh.. |
| 11:05.19 | KotCzarny | right through the lcd |
| 11:05.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:05.21 | lcuk2 | i have xchat open and a webpage from a while ago with pastebin on |
| 11:05.25 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: a cute birck ? :) heh, I give up :) |
| 11:05.44 | johnx | very odd, the keyboard works but the caps lock/num lock/scroll lock lights don't come on O_o |
| 11:06.21 | lcuk2 | you could drill straight through the ambient sensor, its useless anyway, and it might also go through the gps antenna, which may actually make that work as well, so in the end its a plus |
| 11:06.51 | lcuk2 | johnx, power considerations, you might find if you press keys from all quadrants of the keyboard it may reboot |
| 11:07.03 | johnx | well that's awesome |
| 11:07.20 | johnx | I'll do a sync and try right now |
| 11:07.23 | spirytusick | lcuk2: maybe a shock therapy with an explosive stuck to the device will help ? I've heard it works wonders with people! |
| 11:07.24 | lcuk2 | you only have 100ma, so no keypounding |
| 11:08.05 | lcuk2 | i know a lot of people want an exploded view of 810 but thats pushing the envelope a bit far |
| 11:08.12 | pupnik | will it blend? |
| 11:08.26 | lcuk2 | very likely, dont breathe this in - its nokia smoke |
| 11:09.01 | spirytusick | lcuk2: what does the nokia smoke do to you ? |
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| 11:09.30 | johnx | lcuk2, I thought it was more like 200mA? |
| 11:09.33 | lcuk2 | try it and see |
| 11:09.37 | johnx | also I just pressed all the keys at once |
| 11:09.40 | johnx | no effect :) |
| 11:09.51 | johnx | except lots of letters showing up in "Notes" |
| 11:10.33 | johnx | and the N810 text prediction bar even shows up. Cute :D |
| 11:10.39 | lcuk2 | no john, usb OTG is 100ma. Thats because a normal usb device is given 100 to init itself and send over its spec. the otg device is not expecting any more tho |
| 11:10.59 | lcuk2 | john, diff keyboards have diff power requirements, mine must have been a fatty |
| 11:11.07 | johnx | this one is quite small |
| 11:11.16 | lcuk2 | power consumption wise |
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| 11:11.52 | lcuk2 | :O youngest is singing |
| 11:12.04 | johnx | ahahaha! it lists the power consumption on the box |
| 11:12.09 | johnx | I didn't even notice |
| 11:12.17 | lcuk2 | on which box? kb? |
| 11:12.21 | johnx | yeah |
| 11:12.22 | johnx | 20mA |
| 11:12.27 | lcuk2 | cool |
| 11:12.49 | lcuk2 | then that explains why yours works nicely :) |
| 11:13.32 | johnx | it might take a bit to get used to this key size, but I learned the Zaurus...This shouldn't be too hard |
| 11:13.39 | lcuk2 | this logitech deluve has 5v100ma on the back |
| 11:15.03 | johnx | the key-pitch and layout might drive some people nuts, but that just means no one will borrow it from me. :D |
| 11:16.08 | KotCzarny | if you don't want to borrow, just say no |
| 11:16.16 | KotCzarny | should work most of the time |
| 11:16.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:16.37 | johnx | yeah, but this way no one will even ask :) |
| 11:17.18 | Tama^2 | The PluThon thingy for Eclipse works |
| 11:18.19 | Tama^2 | It can start python apps on the tablet remotely for testing |
| 11:18.23 | Tama^2 | cute |
| 11:18.38 | KotCzarny | so does vnc and ssh |
| 11:18.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:19.04 | Tama^2 | I'd rather use ssh myself |
| 11:19.08 | Tama^2 | it's quicker |
| 11:19.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:19.27 | KotCzarny | and more convenient/safe |
| 11:22.11 | lcuk2 | ive got a nice little script setup to make/copy/run/killall an app i am testing |
| 11:22.29 | KotCzarny | use nfs/sshfs |
| 11:22.39 | KotCzarny | just mount you devel dir and run directly |
| 11:22.40 | lcuk2 | i use scp to do the copy |
| 11:22.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:22.49 | KotCzarny | *your |
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| 11:23.47 | lcuk2 | it does its job as it stands but that sounds like i would need to put code on the device aswell, or just build it into a mounted dir? |
| 11:24.17 | KotCzarny | just imagine it as a local dir on you nokia |
| 11:24.27 | KotCzarny | even if it's on pc |
| 11:24.29 | KotCzarny | really |
| 11:25.14 | lcuk2 | ahhh do it that way round, thats a possibility, but since its through a vmware box and not available all the time its not that simple |
| 11:25.28 | lcuk2 | i want to push the exe for testing but then run again when i am offline |
| 11:26.16 | lcuk2 | i dont want to have to keep wifi enabled just to read a book |
| 11:26.37 | KotCzarny | it is available |
| 11:26.57 | KotCzarny | you vmware box has net access |
| 11:27.02 | KotCzarny | so it can be done |
| 11:27.57 | lcuk2 | yes, it does, but not all the time, it might do whilst i am sat developing, but i want to carry on testing offline - its a book reader and the best way to test it is to sit back and read and i dont want to drain battery with wifi |
| 11:28.24 | kikka | Nokia770-49:~# evince |
| 11:28.24 | kikka | evince[1179]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 11:28.24 | kikka | Segmentation fault |
| 11:28.27 | KotCzarny | but when you're done developing you can copy it finally |
| 11:28.28 | kikka | What the hell? |
| 11:28.52 | KotCzarny | and you can even do it from nokia itself |
| 11:29.02 | KotCzarny | because it's mounted on it |
| 11:29.18 | lcuk2 | but the way i am doing it, i get best of both worlds, i test directly on device and can control it and start/stop when i like and i also get to walk away with the latest version, even if vmware shut off or wifi off |
| 11:29.25 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 11:29.31 | KotCzarny | you're stressing your flash |
| 11:29.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:29.37 | KotCzarny | over and over |
| 11:30.51 | KotCzarny | the best way is: develop on pc, mount dir via nfs on nokia, test it on nokia, when done, run script to copy to the /usr/local |
| 11:30.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:30.53 | lcuk2 | i stress my flash every time i do anything with the filesystem, i hardly think a single file update will make matters worse - the 128mb of swap is doing tonnes more damage |
| 11:31.12 | KotCzarny | swap ? rarely |
| 11:31.16 | lcuk2 | but how do i know when i am done?little things l |
| 11:31.22 | KotCzarny | journal wears the flash a lot more |
| 11:31.23 | lcuk2 | ike irc get in the way and family |
| 11:31.51 | KotCzarny | lcuk, you will know when you're done because you will be quitting vmware |
| 11:31.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:35.41 | lcuk2 | not really, vm is still running this time, but little things stop me getting anything done - fact is at the moment im happy with how im doing it and it works well for me :) |
| 11:36.13 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 11:36.23 | KotCzarny | though i prefer mounting |
| 11:36.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:36.34 | johnx | I really doubt anyone will find a way to kill their flash except through very heavy swapping |
| 11:36.39 | KotCzarny | that way i can browse other files too |
| 11:37.01 | KotCzarny | johnx: heavy swapping isn't that bad as you think |
| 11:37.08 | KotCzarny | journal is a lot worse |
| 11:37.30 | KotCzarny | but jffs2 and vfat are ok |
| 11:37.33 | johnx | how is journal worse? it's one extra write for every realy write to a file...correct? |
| 11:37.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 11:38.05 | Tama^3 | it all depends on the how the card handles wear leveling, but considering the cost per MB I would not worry honestly |
| 11:38.17 | KotCzarny | tama: data loss |
| 11:38.24 | KotCzarny | money is not a problem |
| 11:38.27 | jaska_ | ext2 with noatime might work |
| 11:38.41 | KotCzarny | but data loss happen at the worst moment |
| 11:38.43 | KotCzarny | usually |
| 11:38.44 | Tama^3 | data loss is not happening within the lifetime of the card |
| 11:38.49 | johnx | Tama^2, a broken internal flash on the N810 would be no fun |
| 11:38.50 | Tama^3 | roughly 5 years? |
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| 11:39.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:39.25 | KotCzarny | ~2 years by now |
| 11:39.26 | lcuk2 | john, it wouldnt break totally, the available space will just start to drop as more secotrs are marked bad |
| 11:39.27 | johnx | KotCzarny, if you're swapping you're potentially reading and writing in small chunks as fast as the card can be written to |
| 11:39.50 | KotCzarny | johnx: but in different places |
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| 11:39.58 | KotCzarny | journal is usually 4-32mb |
| 11:40.06 | johnx | wear leveling... |
| 11:40.23 | KotCzarny | wear levelling is usually divided in sectors |
| 11:40.28 | KotCzarny | sandisk used 4mb sectors |
| 11:40.55 | KotCzarny | so it's not move this block to anywhere on card |
| 11:41.09 | KotCzarny | but move this block anywhere on 4mb-sector |
| 11:41.28 | johnx | aaah...ok, I could never get a definitive answer on that |
| 11:41.35 | johnx | can you direct me to some in-depth reading? |
| 11:41.47 | KotCzarny | i have seen a white-paper for a wear levelling v1.0 |
| 11:41.50 | KotCzarny | from sandisk |
| 11:41.54 | lcuk2 | i would like to see a memory module with standard ddr a cap and a baseline of flash so when the power goes out it has enough internal power to copy everything onto flash |
| 11:42.22 | Tama^2 | I think you can read patents about it |
| 11:42.28 | KotCzarny | lcuk: that's called system cache |
| 11:42.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:42.57 | lcuk2 | im on about a proper drop in replacement, so the issue of writeeeeee times never comes up |
| 11:43.01 | KotCzarny | johnx: http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/OEM/WhitePapersAndBrochures/RS-MMC/WPaperWearLevelv1.0.pdf |
| 11:43.09 | Tama^2 | but if you read the implementation of jffs2 it's pretty much the same concept implemented on the host |
| 11:43.23 | johnx | cool, I'll add that to my list of bedtime reading... :) |
| 11:43.47 | KotCzarny | but it's old |
| 11:43.52 | KotCzarny | and may be outdated |
| 11:43.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:45.44 | lcuk2 | right, family time - cyas later |
| 11:46.08 | Tama^2 | see ya lck2 |
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| 11:48.34 | aquatix | Tama^2: Too much? :) |
| 11:49.53 | Tama^2 | there is no such thing |
| 11:50.01 | KotCzarny | there is |
| 11:50.09 | Tama^2 | but I saw that joke on IRC ages ago |
| 11:52.40 | aquatix | heheh |
| 11:52.55 | aquatix | KotCzarny: myeah, if it's starting to hurt and eat all your time, maybe ;) |
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| 11:53.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:58.05 | jaska_ | guess my n810 is cursed, reflashed and gets stuck installing the 'maemo-pc-connectivity' :) |
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| 12:03.23 | jku | that's a bad name for that package btw |
| 12:03.44 | jaska_ | indeed |
| 12:03.47 | jku | I wonder how many people will install it expecting sync software or somthing |
| 12:03.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:03.52 | jaska_ | hah |
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| 12:08.41 | pupnik_ | yrgh omap3530 has 430-MHz TMS320C64x DSP Core |
| 12:08.56 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 12:09.58 | pupnik_ | fast |
| 12:10.34 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 12:10.44 | pupnik_ | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=40795&st=135 |
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| 12:13.06 | pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Y1PwLM8SKI ti making open source push for OMAP3530 |
| 12:14.37 | jku | pupnik, you are familiar with pandora? is the "April/may" release date something that can actually happen? |
| 12:15.27 | pupnik | yes according to the public/private info I have |
| 12:17.37 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 12:17.44 | KotCzarny | that omap has 3 sdio interfaces |
| 12:17.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:17.49 | aquatix | ooooh |
| 12:18.05 | aquatix | 3x 32GB SDHC ftw :) |
| 12:18.16 | KotCzarny | money money money |
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| 12:18.18 | aquatix | sorry, had to say that ;) |
| 12:18.23 | pupnik | it will have 2 full size SD slots |
| 12:18.23 | KotCzarny | one 32gb sdhc would be ok |
| 12:18.26 | KotCzarny | for a start |
| 12:18.34 | aquatix | very true |
| 12:18.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:18.45 | KotCzarny | but i'm not complaining |
| 12:18.48 | KotCzarny | 8gb is fine too |
| 12:18.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:19.02 | johnx | I really can't believe that SDHC spec only supports up to 32GB :/ |
| 12:19.24 | johnx | in its current version at least |
| 12:19.30 | aquatix | but my microsd -> minisd adapters should come in soonish |
| 12:20.25 | pupnik | so buy 10 cards and have 320GB on the go |
| 12:21.13 | pupnik | with tv-out you can have a nice little media player |
| 12:21.34 | KotCzarny | swapping card sucks |
| 12:21.50 | aquatix | yeah |
| 12:21.58 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: still one big card can store much more than one dvd |
| 12:22.03 | pupnik | then get a battery pack and a 1TB drive on usb |
| 12:22.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:22.14 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: you will not have to swap too often if you know what you want to watch |
| 12:22.27 | johnx | I read the SDHC spec, from what it looks like they just need to flip a couple bits in software to support arbitrarily large sizes |
| 12:22.36 | KotCzarny | i'm not a divx maniac |
| 12:22.46 | KotCzarny | so 8gb is fine for me |
| 12:23.14 | aquatix | and some Futurama |
| 12:23.16 | johnx | really, 640KB ought to be enough... |
| 12:23.17 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: my only concern would be not loosing the cards, it was hard enought sometimes to find a 5.25"" floppy, looking for an sd or microcd would be a nightmare |
| 12:23.29 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:23.30 | aquatix | johnx: that's working mem ;) |
| 12:23.37 | KotCzarny | that's why swapping cards suck |
| 12:23.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:23.39 | johnx | but it's the principal |
| 12:24.13 | KotCzarny | johnx: ever seen vista? |
| 12:24.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:24.19 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: and worse, under certain circumstances and a reasonable intoxication level swallowing an microsd card becomes a possibility... |
| 12:24.19 | aquatix | ew |
| 12:24.30 | aquatix | spirytusick: hahaha |
| 12:24.33 | aquatix | myeah |
| 12:24.34 | lcuk | "keep this safe, its listers mind" |
| 12:24.40 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: gives new meaning to the expression "gone to shit" |
| 12:24.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:24.45 | aquatix | i already almost lost such a card in the train |
| 12:24.54 | johnx | KotCzarny, I really haven't played with it except at a store... |
| 12:25.07 | aquatix | johnx: it sucks |
| 12:25.08 | KotCzarny | johnx, i guess it's bootloader is bigger than 640kb |
| 12:25.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:25.28 | aquatix | i had to fix things on it for family, and it's a purely annoying OS |
| 12:25.30 | aquatix | anyways |
| 12:25.38 | aquatix | storage and working mem are two things |
| 12:25.54 | johnx | I was making a point though |
| 12:25.56 | KotCzarny | what would be nice are a pockets INSIDE the device |
| 12:25.58 | aquatix | why wouldn't you be able to have high quality media [movies, music]? |
| 12:26.10 | K-Fox | is it possible to see comic? |
| 12:26.14 | aquatix | KotCzarny: like... an extra SD slot? ;) |
| 12:26.17 | johnx | K-Fox, yes |
| 12:26.19 | spirytusick | I currently have 2 8gb sd cards |
| 12:26.32 | KotCzarny | aquatix, even not connected electrically |
| 12:26.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:26.37 | spirytusick | 12 gb is for storage and 4 gb for my / filesystem |
| 12:26.48 | K-Fox | what is a name of application? |
| 12:26.51 | johnx | K-Fox, google for comic viewer maemo |
| 12:26.58 | K-Fox | thanks.. |
| 12:27.12 | aquatix | or put the rss feeds in google reader or something ;) |
| 12:27.13 | KotCzarny | quiver would work too |
| 12:27.14 | spirytusick | so far I have enought space for everything, some pictures, some movies, and plenty of scummvm games, jagged alliance and a full copy of bg2, still a lot of space leftr |
| 12:27.15 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:27.38 | KotCzarny | jagged alliance? |
| 12:27.54 | spirytusick | jagged alliance 2 to be exact |
| 12:28.02 | KotCzarny | only storage or it runs on maemo too? |
| 12:28.04 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: Check the itt forums in the software/gaming section |
| 12:28.08 | johnx | honestly though, why did they stop at 32GB? I thought one compatibility break would be enough to get them to fix things for real |
| 12:28.11 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 12:28.36 | KotCzarny | johnx, money money money |
| 12:29.01 | johnx | I guess...I tried to play "follow the money" but I just didn't see it |
| 12:29.23 | KotCzarny | new standard, new license? |
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| 12:29.36 | KotCzarny | old device gone ? |
| 12:30.14 | johnx | I thought the people who made the sd spec were representatives of the people who implemented it...maybe I assumed incorrectly |
| 12:31.11 | KotCzarny | johnx, it's the sales of cards that generates money |
| 12:31.12 | KotCzarny | i think |
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| 12:31.21 | spirytusick | johnx: having a standard wich does not require changes for long time is not exactly profitable nowadays |
| 12:31.26 | johnx | right, so "joe has a camera that takes SDHC cards, he wants to buy a new bigger card, but he *can't* because it won't work in his camera" |
| 12:31.39 | spirytusick | johnx: they can always charge you for a new upgraded capability |
| 12:31.54 | spirytusick | johnx: it's not technical limitation, sadly only marketing... |
| 12:31.56 | KotCzarny | but by that time joe's camera would be outdated |
| 12:32.18 | johnx | spirytusick, I came to the same conclusion after about 10 minutes with the spec |
| 12:32.29 | KotCzarny | but i guess laziness also plays some part |
| 12:32.38 | michele_ | I bet they've just been dumb and did it wrong again |
| 12:32.45 | spirytusick | johnx: this is what is built in in everything nowadays |
| 12:33.33 | spirytusick | johnx: I wouldn't be suprised if our n8x0 lcd controller and lack of 3d accelleration was not a design flaw but a required element of the marketing plot |
| 12:33.57 | johnx | spirytusick, that's a little paranoid. :) I think Nokia is just as pissed to be saddled with this design |
| 12:34.20 | lcuk | they could upgrade the bandwidth to the lcd without compromising the major design |
| 12:34.21 | johnx | "Don't attribute to malice what can be equally explained by stupidity." |
| 12:34.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:34.42 | johnx | lcuk, the interface becomes unstable when run at higher speeds |
| 12:34.43 | michele_ | or by currently available hardware and prices |
| 12:34.54 | spirytusick | lcuk: but then they would not be able to sell you the new tablet summetime ? :) |
| 12:34.57 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14317 |
| 12:34.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:35.09 | lcuk | for this specific lcd model, but there must be others which operate well at higher frequencies |
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| 12:35.46 | KotCzarny | overclocking would be nice |
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| 12:36.41 | johnx | KotCzarny, overclocking the LCD interface? |
| 12:36.54 | johnx | apparently 10% is the most you could get without risking damage |
| 12:37.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:37.16 | KotCzarny | could be enough for some people to be happy |
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| 12:37.54 | johnx | <10% and you only end up with display glitches and instability :P |
| 12:38.21 | KotCzarny | i'm happy for now |
| 12:38.32 | KotCzarny | and waiting for the mp3decsink fix |
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| 12:39.39 | johnx | for mplayer? |
| 12:39.43 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:39.54 | johnx | libmad should end up faster anyways |
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| 12:40.10 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: what is it fixing? dsp decoding ? |
| 12:40.51 | KotCzarny | spirytusick: right now mplayer has sync problems in 2008, so they disabled gst support |
| 12:41.27 | KotCzarny | if they fix it think of it as a free cpu cycles |
| 12:41.27 | lcuk | technically, the lcd can handle > 25fps 800*480 YUV frames (i know because i am getting 27fps using only the greyscale channel but its refreshing everything) |
| 12:41.42 | johnx | as long as libmad takes up less than 70MHz worth of CPU time it should be faster than doing it on the dsp |
| 12:41.45 | spirytusick | KotCzarny: yep, slight delay in sound playback vs video |
| 12:41.49 | KotCzarny | libmad is ok |
| 12:41.52 | lcuk | sdl uses an unoptimum path to get its data |
| 12:41.54 | KotCzarny | but esd sucks big time |
| 12:42.15 | johnx | it used to use ALSA, iirc |
| 12:42.28 | johnx | but something is up with alsa in OS2008 I think |
| 12:42.31 | KotCzarny | johnx: cpu can be stuck to 400/133 mode |
| 12:42.43 | KotCzarny | then you get 400mhz AND free 133 of dsp |
| 12:42.49 | johnx | is that enough for mp3 decoding though? |
| 12:42.59 | KotCzarny | (or is it 400/110) |
| 12:43.05 | spirytusick | johnx: true, I have tried to compile a few module players in scratchbox, half of them did not work, a one of them had a weird speedup issue |
| 12:43.06 | johnx | 133 sounds right |
| 12:43.07 | KotCzarny | johnx: yes, more than enough |
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| 12:43.42 | johnx | spirytusick, and I've had nothing but pain from *something* they did to part of the path for a2dp |
| 12:45.12 | spirytusick | johnx: let |
| 12:45.15 | spirytusick | let |
| 12:45.25 | spirytusick | let's hope the next os release will fix some of those bugs |
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| 12:46.02 | johnx | I hope so... |
| 12:46.19 | KotCzarny | don't hope. hack. |
| 12:46.19 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:46.28 | johnx | I have been |
| 12:46.47 | johnx | I've been hacking Debian, but I'm tired of running into stupid things that trip me up :| |
| 12:47.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno what Python installation tutorial told this poor dude to go to xterm, but he sent me 3 PMs begging me to help him last night. <_< |
| 12:48.29 | lcuk | is there any documentation on what triggers the cpu speedups |
| 12:48.32 | johnx | the random chunks of ITOS thar are closed just put me in a stabbin' mood |
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| 12:48.53 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, if you look on the official site that's how it tells you to install it |
| 12:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, you should start filing bugs on bugzilla about pieces not having source. :P |
| 12:49.05 | johnx | might want to drop them an email telling them to fix it |
| 12:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Does it really? |
| 12:49.27 | johnx | pretty sure |
| 12:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | Why in the world. . . . |
| 12:49.59 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html |
| 12:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I see it. |
| 12:50.13 | johnx | lunacy, no? |
| 12:50.26 | Tama^2 | yes |
| 12:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'd expect better from INdT. . . . |
| 12:50.44 | aquatix | that's how i installed python2.5-runtime too |
| 12:51.13 | aquatix | not sure what's difficult on that though :) |
| 12:51.43 | KotCzarny | app-manager took care of it |
| 12:51.43 | johnx | aquatix, hang out on itt for 20 minutes... |
| 12:51.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:52.00 | aquatix | johnx: yeah, really should be more on the forums i guess |
| 12:52.09 | aquatix | don't have time though :( |
| 12:52.13 | KotCzarny | make some dummy package that requires apt-get to fetch what they need |
| 12:52.21 | KotCzarny | and post .install somewhere |
| 12:52.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:52.25 | aquatix | KotCzarny: true |
| 12:52.30 | aquatix | sounds easy |
| 12:52.38 | aquatix | just some meta-package |
| 12:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | If Extras is enabled, anything that needs Python will install it. |
| 12:52.49 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 12:52.49 | johnx | er...what I mean is the average itt user is fresh out of windows xp, never used the CLI, wants things to "just work" |
| 12:52.54 | aquatix | or even just a .install for python2.5-runtime |
| 12:53.11 | aquatix | johnx: yeah |
| 12:53.13 | johnx | there *is* one, but it apparently doesn't work intermittently |
| 12:53.37 | aquatix | johnx: i meant more like `i only see itt threads when googling on issues/things instead of even browsing it decently' |
| 12:53.47 | aquatix | oh well |
| 12:53.51 | jku | johnx, the solution for them is for the apps to depend on the runtime, right? |
| 12:54.03 | jku | not another package to install... |
| 12:54.03 | aquatix | jku: yeah |
| 12:54.10 | aquatix | and several apps don't :/ |
| 12:54.15 | johnx | there are just a few that fall through the cracks and get in over their heads... |
| 12:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | jku, they do. |
| 12:54.16 | aquatix | that's stupid |
| 12:54.24 | GeneralAntilles | 'least, all the ones that I've seen do. |
| 12:54.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:54.30 | KotCzarny | life |
| 12:54.34 | aquatix | oh wait yeah |
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| 12:54.55 | aquatix | but they say 'uninstallable', because they miss the runtime |
| 12:55.15 | KotCzarny | uninstallable means it can be uninstalled |
| 12:55.16 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 12:55.28 | aquatix | meh |
| 12:55.33 | aquatix | `not installable' |
| 12:55.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:56.07 | aquatix | was some dutch-english fsckup :) |
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| 12:57.15 | KotCzarny | Rendering is currently a scanline 2x scaler. Running lemmings about 5 fps. |
| 12:57.16 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 12:57.18 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 12:57.40 | KotCzarny | playing lemmings with a stylus would be great :> |
| 12:58.20 | johnx | gah...the snes controller was not the best thing ever for that game |
| 12:58.21 | KotCzarny | superior sound |
| 12:58.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:58.24 | glass | isn't there a lemmings clone port already |
| 12:58.28 | johnx | pingus |
| 12:58.40 | johnx | I think it's playable but somewhat crashy? |
| 12:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, it seems they got rid of the /user meta package for Python-runtime. |
| 12:59.01 | johnx | really? |
| 12:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently |
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| 12:59.24 | johnx | wow...well that's ... awesome |
| 12:59.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | So you either need redpill or root to install it without installing something that depends on it. |
| 12:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | . . . and if some things don't depend on it properly. :\ |
| 13:00.02 | johnx | wonderful |
| 13:00.05 | KotCzarny | life |
| 13:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | 'least we don't have to deal with the 2.4/2.5 nonsense anymore. :D |
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| 13:26.59 | arif_endro | hello all :) |
| 13:27.14 | johnx | hello |
| 13:28.02 | arif_endro | It's true that N830 is equiped with WiMAX device? |
| 13:28.09 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 13:28.14 | KotCzarny | but it's not released yet |
| 13:28.24 | KotCzarny | so it can be reverted |
| 13:28.29 | KotCzarny | for any reason |
| 13:28.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:29.05 | johnx | KotCzarny, do you know something we don't or are you just playing around? :P |
| 13:29.13 | KotCzarny | johnx: google for it |
| 13:29.34 | johnx | yeah, I see the bestbuy ad that TexRat pretty much refuted |
| 13:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | There's no N830. |
| 13:29.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | There WILL be a WiMAX tablet, but it's not the one pictured in the Best Buy ad. |
| 13:30.09 | johnx | KotCzarny, alright, stop playin' with the newbs :P |
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| 13:30.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:31.39 | arif_endro | So it's still in question..? btw when will Nokia announce about this things.. |
| 13:31.50 | KotCzarny | i don't know why wimax would be such a feature |
| 13:31.54 | johnx | yes. only Nokia knows |
| 13:32.05 | KotCzarny | even now i'm setting rate to 2mbit |
| 13:32.14 | KotCzarny | (power, range etc) |
| 13:32.27 | arif_endro | 2 mbit? it's for WiMAX or Wifi |
| 13:32.28 | aquatix | KotCzarny: well, because you will have wireless everywhere then? |
| 13:32.30 | johnx | my guesses? maybe at cebit, maybe when sprint's xohm network launches, maybe if you ask them really, really nice. :) |
| 13:32.43 | aquatix | wimax is for outside |
| 13:32.47 | KotCzarny | so wimax isn't wifi compatible? |
| 13:32.58 | aquatix | no |
| 13:33.02 | aquatix | google it :) |
| 13:33.05 | KotCzarny | i thought it's simply another speed upgrade |
| 13:33.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:33.15 | aquatix | no, it's some 4G thing |
| 13:33.16 | Fang64 | wimax is a different standard all together, folks seem to keep confusing it |
| 13:33.23 | Fang64 | just because of the "Wi" part |
| 13:33.27 | johnx | KotCzarny, I don't know when you're playing and when you honestly don't know... |
| 13:33.29 | aquatix | Fang64: well, the name is confusing indeed |
| 13:33.34 | johnx | 802.16 |
| 13:33.37 | arif_endro | I thinks WiMAX is still considered 3G by ITU |
| 13:33.43 | Fang64 | yup IEEE 802.16 |
| 13:33.44 | aquatix | and it's based loosely on wifi, but it's a different thing altogether |
| 13:34.00 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 13:34.19 | Fang64 | It operates at different frequencies from WiFi as well |
| 13:34.35 | arif_endro | what's frequency they use in WiMAX |
| 13:34.41 | Fang64 | depends on region |
| 13:34.43 | aquatix | Fang64: thankfully, otherwise it'd push our networks from the air :) |
| 13:34.46 | johnx | er...it's frequency agnostic last time I checked |
| 13:35.12 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 13:35.15 | Fang64 | aquatix: we already have alot of trash on 2.4 microwave as it is, I can barely operate a AP where I am at due to trash |
| 13:35.17 | johnx | you *could* implement it on unlicensed bands, but there wouldn't be much point |
| 13:35.18 | arif_endro | frequency agnostic? what it's |
| 13:35.28 | KotCzarny | but it's microwave access |
| 13:35.36 | KotCzarny | so it's 2.4g + i guess |
| 13:35.37 | Fang64 | well depends on the implementation |
| 13:35.41 | Fang64 | some operate on multiple bands |
| 13:35.42 | johnx | arif_endro, the wimax specification doesn't specify a frequency |
| 13:36.18 | Fang64 | which is quite annoying at least when designing the antenna for those client s |
| 13:36.59 | arif_endro | any info on the WiMAX chipset being used on N830? |
| 13:38.15 | johnx | there's not much (any?) reliable info |
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| 13:38.23 | johnx | and it probably won't be N830 |
| 13:38.39 | johnx | that "leak" was apparently a false alarm |
| 13:38.56 | KotCzarny | attention catcher |
| 13:38.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:39.27 | Fang64 | indeed, plus we have competition with other types of services like EVDO, HSDPA, and EDGE which offer similar speeds comparable to WiMax |
| 13:40.02 | Fang64 | Nokia can choose what they are going to implement *yawns* and who knows if the N830 has any of those capabilities or if we'll get it XD |
| 13:40.37 | KotCzarny | btw. what happened to n820? |
| 13:40.40 | KotCzarny | anyone knows? |
| 13:41.02 | Fang64 | lol, sometimes model numbers don't make sense lol |
| 13:41.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:41.14 | aquatix | free slot for n810 update? |
| 13:41.24 | KotCzarny | yeah, and n7[89]0 |
| 13:41.28 | johnx | the same thing that happened to the 780 and 790? |
| 13:41.38 | Fang64 | lol |
| 13:41.39 | johnx | beat me to it :P |
| 13:41.40 | KotCzarny | not to mention lower models |
| 13:41.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 13:42.15 | KotCzarny | nokia |
| 13:43.04 | aquatix | n810 is my first nokia |
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| 13:43.16 | aquatix | i prefer SE |
| 13:43.20 | arif_endro | when did Nokia start using Linux for their device? |
| 13:43.34 | Fang64 | when they developed the tablets? |
| 13:43.50 | johnx | the 770 was the first |
| 13:44.03 | aquatix | 770 was mainly an underground project iirc |
| 13:44.14 | Fang64 | just a guess, really don't know myself, my N800 was my first, but this was after viewing a N770 a while back |
| 13:44.17 | michele_ | I am with aquatix |
| 13:44.30 | michele_ | nokia UI was sensible until they introduced color screens |
| 13:44.35 | KotCzarny | i don't like sony part in se |
| 13:44.41 | KotCzarny | otherwise it's ok |
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| 13:45.04 | aquatix | KotCzarny: agreed; i'd rather see them use SD and such, but i love their phones |
| 13:45.24 | michele_ | I still have the T39 :) |
| 13:45.31 | michele_ | without the sony part |
| 13:45.32 | KotCzarny | t39m to be exact |
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| 13:45.52 | KotCzarny | bah. i've got two of them |
| 13:45.58 | KotCzarny | one white and one black |
| 13:46.20 | arif_endro | I guess you like it alot.. :) |
| 13:46.57 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 13:47.03 | aquatix | ah yeah, that one |
| 13:47.03 | KotCzarny | it's a very nice phone |
| 13:47.10 | KotCzarny | keyboard is sick though |
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| 14:08.56 | lopz | hi |
| 14:09.18 | johnx | hello |
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| 14:31.10 | KotCzarny | v0.8 - 2008-02-20 - Lemon |
| 14:31.11 | KotCzarny | (r3064) Add support for Maemo, so the menu button acts as modifier key to perform right clicks. |
| 14:31.12 | KotCzarny | mmm |
| 14:31.17 | KotCzarny | jagged alliance |
| 14:31.19 | KotCzarny | mmMm |
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| 14:37.31 | freelikegnu | has someone been able to get wpa_supplicant to work in os2008? |
| 14:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738 |
| 14:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's on the front page. . . . |
| 14:39.07 | johnx | I'm not sure how much of it works without wext but it's worth a try if you need it |
| 14:39.39 | freelikegnu | I was getting errors about unsupported functions |
| 14:39.57 | johnx | sounds like you need the wext patch I mention at the end of the thread |
| 14:40.01 | johnx | no guarantees though |
| 14:40.01 | freelikegnu | trying to connect to TTLS with PAP phase 2 |
| 14:40.06 | freelikegnu | aye |
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| 14:40.45 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 14:40.46 | johnx | All I can tell you is that it "worked for me" for psk but I got an error or two |
| 14:40.53 | johnx | I guess it turned out not to be important |
| 14:41.09 | KotCzarny | isn't there an oss project for a wifi driver for a n8x0 ? |
| 14:41.14 | johnx | nope |
| 14:41.19 | johnx | not as far as I know |
| 14:43.25 | freelikegnu | hmm is this something I could compile on the nokia itself or do I need a development environment on another computer |
| 14:43.35 | KotCzarny | both true |
| 14:43.39 | michele_ | there was a posting about an in progress driver on the linux-wireless ML |
| 14:44.29 | johnx | freelikegnu, if you trust kernel modules from random people you meet on IRC I can put up the copy I have on my web server. interested? :) |
| 14:44.39 | johnx | you'd need scratchbox setup, otherwise |
| 14:44.55 | johnx | michele_, well that's nice to hear :D |
| 14:45.07 | KotCzarny | johnx: isn't that true for repository.maemo.org ? |
| 14:45.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:45.38 | freelikegnu | I would very much like to try your module |
| 14:45.50 | johnx | KotCzarny, heh...but people trusted when it's all nice and official looking :) |
| 14:46.04 | KotCzarny | yes, like microsoft.com |
| 14:46.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:46.15 | freelikegnu | 10 |
| 14:46.41 | freelikegnu | -10 |
| 14:47.21 | michele_ | johnx: I'm trying to dig it out, but I don't remember if I read about it here or on ITT |
| 14:47.29 | johnx | don't worry about it |
| 14:47.31 | KotCzarny | n800 has a line in? |
| 14:47.32 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 14:47.39 | johnx | I'll look it up later |
| 14:47.44 | johnx | about to go to bed |
| 14:47.58 | michele_ | ok |
| 14:48.00 | michele_ | 'nite |
| 14:48.15 | freelikegnu | thanks again johnx |
| 14:48.55 | johnx | freelikegnu, did you get the URL? |
| 14:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | It was on here, michele_. |
| 14:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | For the N810 chipset. |
| 14:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | dragorn noticed it. |
| 14:49.59 | KotCzarny | n810 has different wifi chip than n800? |
| 14:50.19 | freelikegnu | yes thanks : |
| 14:50.21 | freelikegnu | :D |
| 14:50.56 | freelikegnu | I'll have to get scratchbox going too |
| 14:51.17 | KotCzarny | unless you have fast net connection it will take some time |
| 14:51.23 | KotCzarny | it downloads ~300-400mb |
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| 14:52.25 | KotCzarny | but overall it does it automatically |
| 14:52.35 | KotCzarny | so user interaction is minimal |
| 14:52.43 | michele_ | gotta love krisse's new tutorial "how to find themes"... he might as well have listed all of them :) |
| 14:52.45 | johnx | freelikegnu, see the end of this thread for info on what to do after loading the module: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8791 |
| 14:52.55 | johnx | and I need some sleep O_o up waaaay too late |
| 14:53.02 | johnx | 'night all |
| 14:53.24 | freelikegnu | gnite johnx |
| 14:53.34 | KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13739 |
| 14:53.37 | KotCzarny | oh, innards! |
| 14:53.48 | KotCzarny | IT pr0n |
| 14:53.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:57.03 | pupnik | and i think of the first time i saw an opened IBM PC |
| 14:57.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:57.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, /me started getting in early |
| 15:00.20 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 |
| 15:00.24 | KotCzarny | WiMAX Available through Sprint Nextel in '08 |
| 15:00.26 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 15:02.40 | freelikegnu | I think I corrupted my 16gb sd hehe |
| 15:02.46 | KotCzarny | life |
| 15:03.03 | KotCzarny | fortunatelly it's not unrecoverable |
| 15:03.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:03.07 | freelikegnu | I think it can be fixed to |
| 15:03.10 | freelikegnu | tho |
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| 15:05.07 | KotCzarny | [ 19.046875] hub 1-0:1.0: 200mA bus power budget for each child |
| 15:05.19 | KotCzarny | i guess n800 has 200mA for usb |
| 15:06.05 | freelikegnu | I'd like to hack mine to draw 5v from usb (instead of mini plug) ..though it might screw up host mode |
| 15:06.32 | KotCzarny | just add battery pack |
| 15:06.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:06.41 | KotCzarny | ie. 4xaa |
| 15:06.56 | KotCzarny | that will double as externall battery too |
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| 15:07.34 | freelikegnu | I mean so I can charge with usb from another machine, seems odd that it was not designed that way |
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| 15:13.06 | freelikegnu | is there knowledge about what the little pads on the n800 circuit board go to? |
| 15:13.57 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 15:14.07 | kikka | Oh, hey freelikegnu. |
| 15:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | freelikegnu, I'm going to say it was a combination of things. A. no other Nokia device uses USB for power, B. the device is OTG, and C. USB doesn't really provide enough juice to charge the thing well. |
| 15:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | So, really, it's not odd. |
| 15:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | It makes perfect sense. |
| 15:14.55 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, the circuitry is a lot simpler if you don't have to consider the possibility of power coming from two places at once. |
| 15:15.25 | glass | GeneralAntilles: theres one new nokia that uses microusb for charging |
| 15:15.26 | truls | well, if usb were added you'd remove the other connector though |
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| 15:15.33 | glass | but it doesn't have a normal charger plug |
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| 15:16.36 | KotCzarny | motorola razor uses miniusb style plug too |
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| 15:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | glass, ok, but did it exist back in 2006? |
| 15:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | We're not talking about motos. ;) |
| 15:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | truls, USB doesn't provide enough juice to charge the device well, though. |
| 15:17.13 | KotCzarny | but i was positively amazed |
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| 15:17.14 | glass | GeneralAntilles: nah, 2007 |
| 15:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | Then my point still stands. |
| 15:17.25 | KotCzarny | that they didn't invent wheel again |
| 15:17.53 | KotCzarny | general: ever seen charger rating? |
| 15:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | 890mA |
| 15:18.24 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 15:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | USB is 500mA |
| 15:18.35 | KotCzarny | officially |
| 15:18.36 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:18.37 | freelikegnu | ah |
| 15:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | You expect them to make their charger decisions on out-of-spec power requirements? :P |
| 15:19.06 | KotCzarny | i have been connecting 1A hdds to my thinkpad |
| 15:19.14 | KotCzarny | though |
| 15:19.35 | KotCzarny | but i guess 500mA is enough for charging too |
| 15:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | Sorta |
| 15:19.43 | KotCzarny | it only takes a little longer |
| 15:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | But it'll be slow. |
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| 15:19.56 | GeneralAntilles | and it may actually discharge during heavy use. |
| 15:20.04 | freelikegnu | I'm just upset that I left my chager at work for the w/e |
| 15:20.08 | freelikegnu | charger |
| 15:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | Buy yourself a couple extras |
| 15:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon or eBay |
| 15:20.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:20.27 | freelikegnu | and I dont have any plugs that fit the n800 lying around |
| 15:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | They're like $2 a piece. |
| 15:20.34 | KotCzarny | pity they changed the connector again |
| 15:21.02 | freelikegnu | yeah extra charger is a good idea, I just got my n800 this wekk |
| 15:21.35 | michele_ | $2 for a charger... I just paid €12 for one... |
| 15:21.43 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:21.50 | KotCzarny | there are chargers and chargers |
| 15:21.54 | freelikegnu | last week I busted open two laptop charger to solder new cables to them |
| 15:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | The connector got smaller |
| 15:22.07 | GeneralAntilles | A LOT smaller. |
| 15:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | Makes perfect sense that they changed it. |
| 15:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | The old one was BIG. |
| 15:22.18 | michele_ | I hate nokia's tiny connector |
| 15:22.22 | KotCzarny | not that big |
| 15:22.22 | aquatix | michele_: i paid 19.99 EUR for mine :( |
| 15:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | Big on a mobile device scale, KotCzarny. |
| 15:22.39 | KotCzarny | still not that big. |
| 15:22.42 | glass | the smaller nokia plug is much more prone to breaking than the old one |
| 15:22.45 | KotCzarny | even smaller phones used it |
| 15:22.50 | michele_ | exactly |
| 15:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | I got four from Amazon for $15 |
| 15:22.56 | freelikegnu | if I get one on ebay, I'm gonna test with a multimeter first! :D |
| 15:23.00 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly shipping cost. |
| 15:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | All Nokia-branded. |
| 15:23.11 | KotCzarny | that way you could have one charger for phone/n800 |
| 15:23.18 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: i got an official nokia from a store |
| 15:23.24 | aquatix | but i really needed one |
| 15:23.29 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:23.30 | aquatix | i only had a US charger |
| 15:23.38 | KotCzarny | us charger would be fine |
| 15:23.39 | aquatix | and that's useless here in the netherlands ;) |
| 15:23.39 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 15:23.45 | KotCzarny | they are 100-240 |
| 15:23.46 | KotCzarny | usually |
| 15:23.49 | aquatix | so? |
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| 15:23.51 | freelikegnu | I think when I buy a house, I'm gonna have it wired with DC as well as AC |
| 15:23.54 | aquatix | pins don't fit in the wall |
| 15:23.56 | michele_ | aquatix: same here in Italy :) |
| 15:23.58 | glass | plug converters arent free |
| 15:24.02 | glass | pretty cheap though |
| 15:24.09 | aquatix | myeah |
| 15:24.15 | KotCzarny | yeah. like 0.20$ |
| 15:24.16 | freelikegnu | with 12v, +5 and -5 |
| 15:24.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:24.18 | aquatix | and harder to find than a normal charger |
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| 15:24.39 | aquatix | i just wanted a charger ;) |
| 15:24.47 | michele_ | freelikegnu: when you buy a house, you'll have enough expenses to think before coming to an AC plug... |
| 15:24.51 | aquatix | and now i want alsa working on my freaking laptop :/ |
| 15:24.56 | aquatix | why does it break with newer kernels |
| 15:25.22 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 15:25.25 | aquatix | freelikegnu: when you buy a house, induction mats to charge devices have actually appeared ;) |
| 15:25.27 | KotCzarny | works fine on mine |
| 15:25.35 | freelikegnu | I will probably just be a desktop PSU in the attic |
| 15:25.50 | aquatix | it worked fine on my 2.6.18.3 kernel, but not on the stock 2.6.24-4 debian kernel :/ |
| 15:25.54 | aquatix | grmbl |
| 15:26.23 | aquatix | freelikegnu: like it can sustain the power through the whole house |
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| 15:26.28 | aquatix | you'll get a lot of loss |
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| 15:26.38 | freelikegnu | induction could be pulled from AC wiring I suppose hmm? |
| 15:26.44 | michele_ | we have an induction charger box at work... nobody uses it |
| 15:26.56 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:26.58 | aquatix | michele_: because no devices use it? :) |
| 15:27.12 | michele_ | aquatix: no, you can charge whatever you want with that |
| 15:27.23 | freelikegnu | wrap a coil around a device that is plugged in and on all the time anyways |
| 15:27.47 | michele_ | I can't remember the name, it was one that made a lot of noise some months agoo |
| 15:27.52 | freelikegnu | er a divces ac cable |
| 15:28.36 | aquatix | hm |
| 15:28.55 | freelikegnu | maybe a coil taped to a wall wart or laptop psu |
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| 15:33.09 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 15:33.33 | KotCzarny | when trying to do a make menuconfig it apparently doesn't link to ncurses |
| 15:33.39 | KotCzarny | anyone noticed? |
| 15:33.50 | KotCzarny | or i am doing something wrong.. |
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| 15:56.45 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 15:56.48 | KotCzarny | did it. |
| 15:56.54 | KotCzarny | make menuconfig works :) |
| 15:57.36 | freelikegnu | :D |
| 15:57.53 | kikka | irc on my n770 works ;) |
| 15:59.33 | KotCzarny | but doesn't build |
| 15:59.35 | KotCzarny | huh. |
| 15:59.45 | KotCzarny | arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-camera.c:204: error: `tcm825x_regs_rx44' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:00.00 | KotCzarny | do i have to download something? |
| 16:08.03 | fysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.11 | fysa | anyone here mess with PokyLinux on an N800? |
| 16:08.22 | KotCzarny | whoooo |
| 16:08.23 | KotCzarny | tabs |
| 16:08.24 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 16:08.53 | KotCzarny | this is a screen from n800? |
| 16:09.12 | fysa | no :) |
| 16:09.16 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 16:09.17 | fysa | but it could be. |
| 16:09.28 | fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uob6NOwkFY0 |
| 16:09.54 | fysa | http://www.intomobile.com/2007/08/09/video-poky-linux-30-running-on-nokia-n800.html |
| 16:09.54 | KotCzarny | we can use their browser, probably |
| 16:10.01 | fysa | it uses WebKit. |
| 16:10.05 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 16:10.17 | fysa | I believe it's Gtk based also though.. |
| 16:11.25 | KotCzarny | read 2. comment on the last page |
| 16:11.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:11.31 | aquatix | fysa: it is |
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| 16:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if I can just dump it on an SD partition. |
| 16:14.38 | K-Fox | what is Pokylinux? |
| 16:15.02 | KotCzarny | it apparently is missing spport for usb and other |
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| 16:16.05 | pupnik | watch ya ccache |
| 16:16.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiDLjILuhec |
| 16:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | 1:50 |
| 16:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | That's want I want for ITOS. :< |
| 16:17.04 | KotCzarny | pupnik: ? |
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| 16:20.04 | KotCzarny | it loads slooow |
| 16:20.24 | KotCzarny | much slower than os2008 |
| 16:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like it's just the kernel and rootfs. |
| 16:22.39 | KotCzarny | why the heck n800_defconfig isn't compiling :/ |
| 16:22.48 | lcdd | it would be cool if all this tablet hacking resulted in something useful :) |
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| 16:26.34 | KotCzarny | someone b0rken the 2.6.21.0-osso71 |
| 16:26.48 | KotCzarny | i guess they do configuration/testing on 810 |
| 16:27.28 | KotCzarny | removing one #ifdef helped :) |
| 16:27.30 | pH5 | KotCzarny: I think nokia_2420_defconfig should be used for both n8x0 |
| 16:27.56 | KotCzarny | ph5: huh? |
| 16:28.16 | KotCzarny | then update this site someone: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html |
| 16:28.21 | KotCzarny | oh. bora. |
| 16:28.28 | KotCzarny | hate long links :/ |
| 16:28.49 | pH5 | KotCzarny: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html |
| 16:28.53 | pH5 | ah :) |
| 16:29.02 | KotCzarny | thanks :) |
| 16:29.42 | KotCzarny | is creAting maemokernel target necessary? |
| 16:30.32 | pH5 | no, compiling in the ARMEL one should work just fine. |
| 16:30.43 | KotCzarny | hum, ok |
| 16:30.59 | KotCzarny | though it's strange someone adds instructions for it |
| 16:31.22 | KotCzarny | It is not mandatory to set up a separate target for kernel compilation, but this example does it in case the default armel target has been modified in some special way. |
| 16:31.29 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 16:31.44 | youam | is there some changelog for the OS2008 releases? i just saw that my n800 is still running 2.2007.50-2, but there is a 2.2007.51-3 version available. i know the difference between .51-2 and .51-3 is only some bootloader fix, but what's the diff between .50-2 and .51-3? |
| 16:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | Er, there is no external .51-2 |
| 16:32.32 | GeneralAntilles | The only difference between 50-2 and 51-3 is the NOLO bootloader. |
| 16:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | So, secondary, 2nd, and xloader. |
| 16:33.39 | youam | okay. so there's no need to reflash my device at all, if it's working now |
| 16:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | Right. |
| 16:33.51 | youam | great. thanks! |
| 16:36.32 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:36.39 | Proteous | morrrrrrrnnniiiinnnnnn |
| 16:36.49 | KotCzarny | is there a size limit for a kernel? |
| 16:37.03 | Proteous | how big is your harddrive? |
| 16:37.33 | KotCzarny | i'm asking about n800 |
| 16:37.38 | Proteous | :P |
| 16:37.46 | KotCzarny | it doesn't have a harddrive |
| 16:37.48 | kikka | Proteous: Morning?! It's 17:37 ;-) |
| 16:37.56 | Proteous | it's all relative |
| 16:38.07 | Proteous | 8:38am here :) |
| 16:38.17 | K-Fox | it's here 01:38am |
| 16:38.17 | KotCzarny | i'm not looking for a relative answer then |
| 16:38.39 | K-Fox | i am tired |
| 16:38.48 | KotCzarny | Mon Mar 3 11:38:15 EST 2008 |
| 16:38.49 | K-Fox | gogo to the bed |
| 16:38.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:39.11 | Navi | KotCzarny is a vampire. |
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| 16:40.07 | KotCzarny | hehehe |
| 16:40.15 | KotCzarny | irony. life. |
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| 17:01.44 | youam | how robust is the screen of the n800? should i use some screen protectors? |
| 17:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | I would. |
| 17:01.51 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 17:01.57 | KotCzarny | but boost resell value |
| 17:01.59 | KotCzarny | eventually |
| 17:02.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | If you take care of it, it's not REALLY an issue. |
| 17:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | But there will be wear. |
| 17:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, how long have you had your N800 again? ;) |
| 17:02.27 | sxpert | and tear(s) |
| 17:02.44 | KotCzarny | general: i have read someones review that it's quite durable |
| 17:02.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:03.01 | KotCzarny | and i have bought mine with screen protector already installed |
| 17:03.01 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I have 2 years of hands-on experience. :) |
| 17:03.12 | Proteous | if you are one of those people who use the stylus like you were writing with a rock on a cement wall the definetly get a protector |
| 17:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | Really, though, even if if you factor out protection the improvements in visibility from an anti-glare protector and the much better texture are still worth it. |
| 17:03.49 | youam | actually, i have two n800, one for me, which still has the sheet from nokia, and a second for my girlfriend, but on her's, the sheet from nokia had a sticker on it which i couldn't remove, so her device is unprotected right now |
| 17:04.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:04.40 | KotCzarny | when device is hot it tends to bubble |
| 17:04.42 | KotCzarny | a little |
| 17:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Crappy protector |
| 17:04.54 | sxpert | (guess I play too much solitaire on that thing) |
| 17:04.58 | youam | sxpert: one can definitelly tell that i play to much maemosweeper by looking on my n800's screen |
| 17:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'd buy the Boxwave anti-glare. |
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| 17:05.12 | sxpert | youam, haha |
| 17:05.39 | KotCzarny | is there any way to fill scratches ? |
| 17:05.43 | sxpert | youam, I noticed a bug on that btw, it doesn't hide the cursor properly, leading to flickering |
| 17:05.50 | youam | oh, and the position of the soft-keyboard |
| 17:05.57 | youam | sxpert: yes |
| 17:06.13 | youam | and it states "you loose" instead of "you lose" |
| 17:06.21 | pupnik | cripes, transcoding 1st pass with mencoder with -o /dev/null is eating up disk space on /, but i can't find an output file, nothing is in /tmp.. and the .log file is going on another drive |
| 17:06.26 | pupnik | crazy |
| 17:06.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:06.48 | KotCzarny | ls -l /dev/null ? |
| 17:07.04 | pupnik | good call, but it's a valid device |
| 17:07.06 | Proteous | lol |
| 17:07.18 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, rotfl |
| 17:07.40 | KotCzarny | pupnik: when have you checked? |
| 17:07.56 | pupnik | just now, and du /dev shows 136 blocks used |
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| 17:08.30 | KotCzarny | then do du -sx /* |
| 17:08.36 | KotCzarny | and find what takes space |
| 17:08.38 | youam | pupnik: look into /proc/`pidof mencoder`/fd |
| 17:09.25 | youam | pupnik: there you see all files opened by that process, including already deleted files which are still opened, so that they take place but aren't visible in the directory listing |
| 17:09.27 | pupnik | thanks, that's a useful piece of info |
| 17:10.37 | pupnik | there/s 3 entries for /dev/pts/4, one read-only for the source movie (on nfs mount) and a write opened on the /dev/null and a write opened on /media/sda7/divx2pass.log |
| 17:12.03 | pupnik | oh well freed up enough space |
| 17:12.07 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, midget porn doesn't take up THAT much space does it? |
| 17:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | 1080p :P |
| 17:12.44 | KotCzarny | default kernel is zImage? |
| 17:12.51 | lcuk | cool, might actually be able to see the people |
| 17:13.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, KotCzarny. |
| 17:13.41 | KotCzarny | then why howto says: make bzImage ? |
| 17:13.47 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html |
| 17:15.27 | lcuk | does anyone know anything about vmware? if my computer loses power but i already have documents saved inside editor in linux image is there any chance i will lose them by the image becoming corrupt, or once saved is the image as stable as a regular hard drive? |
| 17:15.47 | KotCzarny | you always risk loosing data on power loss |
| 17:15.53 | KotCzarny | use laptop |
| 17:15.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:15.56 | lcuk | but data already saved |
| 17:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just buy yourself an cheap UPS. |
| 17:16.10 | lcuk | ie i clicked save 5 minutes before but still had everything open |
| 17:16.13 | KotCzarny | it all depends on buffering policy |
| 17:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | $50, it'll give you enough time to close whatever you're using. |
| 17:16.29 | lcuk | depends how cheap it is ;) |
| 17:16.58 | lcuk | your right of course, and so it kot, i might just get myself an eee or something similar |
| 17:17.12 | lcuk | is^ |
| 17:18.33 | Navi | I never save my documents from within the image |
| 17:18.39 | Navi | s/from/to/ |
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| 17:19.31 | lcuk | shared folder on main machine? |
| 17:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | Haha . . . oops, set the boot menu selection time to 0 seconds. <_< |
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| 17:19.56 | KotCzarny | 0xFFFF to the rescue? |
| 17:19.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:20.05 | KotCzarny | or hold shift? |
| 17:20.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's not an issue |
| 17:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | It auto-boots to internal flash |
| 17:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | Just means I can't select anything else. |
| 17:20.34 | Navi | samba shares |
| 17:21.06 | lcuk | fair enough navi :) thx all, i might just adjust my system to acocunt |
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| 17:25.34 | pupnik | hah it's the nfs log filling up my drive - must have started it with debug a few days ago :P |
| 17:25.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 17:28.04 | KotCzarny | This cpufreq governor tries hard not to change the frequency. |
| 17:28.05 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:28.20 | KotCzarny | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_NULL |
| 17:28.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:28.25 | youam | is there some tool i can use to automate setting up an maemo device? |
| 17:28.35 | KotCzarny | dd ? |
| 17:28.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:29.28 | lcuk | youam, yes, the human brain. failing that, the backup/restore cycle takes care of most things. |
| 17:30.18 | Proteous | Mmmmm, brains |
| 17:30.36 | Proteous | I should go eat something |
| 17:30.37 | lcuk | computer software cannot read minds and your configuration is not the same as mine |
| 17:30.45 | lcuk | lol @ procto |
| 17:30.48 | lcuk | gr |
| 17:30.55 | youam | lcuk: to much manual work. as said, i do have two n800 here, and i want to be able to clone networking settings and so on without entering stuff myself |
| 17:30.56 | lcuk | Proteous even |
| 17:31.10 | KotCzarny | proctoleus |
| 17:31.16 | lcuk | take a backup on one machine and copy the file to the other |
| 17:32.09 | lcuk | i think that would work, but since im not posh you might be better asking GeneralAntilles, hes got about 20 and must have tried something like this |
| 17:32.28 | pupnik | df |
| 17:32.54 | youam | pupnik: Password: |
| 17:33.17 | pupnik | m1dg3ts4all |
| 17:33.22 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:39.51 | GeneralAntilles | Poky's not very exciting at the moment. |
| 17:39.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | Need an external keyboard of some sort since there's no toggle for the matchbox keyboard. |
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| 17:42.06 | muu | re |
| 17:42.14 | muu | when irb for maemo ? :) |
| 17:42.36 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:43.06 | lcuk | :O |
| 17:43.19 | lcuk | does that actually control the keypad light? |
| 17:43.21 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 17:43.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:43.29 | KotCzarny | values are 0-255 |
| 17:43.48 | lcuk | :D yayy i can read at night with my slot open (use thumb pad for next prev) and hate the light |
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| 17:45.18 | michele_ | lcuk: fbreader? you know you can change page with the zoom button? |
| 17:45.35 | lcuk | zoom button is tucked away inside my cradle |
| 17:45.51 | lcuk | my nokia basically lives now inside a neat little easy grip base |
| 17:46.05 | pupnik | echo 120 > /sys/class/leds/keyboard/brightness |
| 17:46.47 | lcuk | http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810crateinkx8.jpg |
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| 17:47.11 | KotCzarny | cd /sys/class/leds/keypad; echo > trigger timer ; echo > delay_on 10 ; echo > delay_off 10 |
| 17:47.15 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:47.36 | michele_ | lcuk: O_O |
| 17:47.54 | lcuk | so, i almost never get at the back buttons. now only one thing remaining before i never have to pull it out: a way to LOCK device (do same as the slide switch at the back) |
| 17:48.08 | lcuk | but i want it programmatically |
| 17:48.20 | lcuk | it unlocks nicely by closing and opening keyboard |
| 17:48.39 | lcuk | easy to hold |
| 17:49.06 | lcuk | and when flipped around it rests on my chest at the right height to read from when in bed without having to wedge a pillow or something under it |
| 17:49.13 | lcuk | nop arm ache = hours of reading |
| 17:49.15 | lcuk | -p |
| 17:49.53 | KotCzarny | echo > /sys/class/leds/keypad/trigger heartbeat |
| 17:49.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:51.13 | lcuk | oh, one other thing, when i am drawing on it with the screen open it doesnt tip backwards because of the step |
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| 17:51.35 | lcuk | http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1256/810crateemptyhm3.jpg |
| 17:51.56 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:52.05 | lcuk | little things piss me off... |
| 17:52.36 | KotCzarny | The flash frequency is a hyperbolic function of the 1-minute load average. |
| 17:52.37 | lcuk | but now arm is perfectly comfortable because my wrist is resting at same height as screen |
| 17:52.47 | KotCzarny | hearbtbeat trigger can be useful |
| 17:52.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 17:55.12 | freelikegnu | wow debian-armel looks intrigueing |
| 17:55.28 | KotCzarny | you already have debian-armel.. |
| 17:55.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 17:56.16 | freelikegnu | the one nokia provides does not feel very debian |
| 17:56.40 | michele_ | freelikegnu: http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 17:56.45 | freelikegnu | like if I want to apt-get remove hildon ? |
| 17:56.49 | KotCzarny | i guess you can modify startup scripts |
| 17:56.53 | michele_ | (ask johnx for details) |
| 17:56.57 | freelikegnu | michele_: thats whatI'm looking at :D |
| 17:57.15 | KotCzarny | after it boots it's up to you |
| 17:57.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:57.37 | freelikegnu | I'd like to try to get OLPC's sugar running on the n800 |
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| 17:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | Sugar needs OpenGL. |
| 17:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | Er, rather |
| 17:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | no |
| 17:59.54 | GeneralAntilles | Other sucrose thing in Ubuntu Mobile needs OpenGL. |
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| 18:06.54 | freelikegnu | sugar does not need opengl, |
| 18:07.26 | freelikegnu | though it makes use of svg, which might be slow on the nokia? |
| 18:07.50 | freelikegnu | also python |
| 18:08.19 | freelikegnu | matchbox WM, with pygtk |
| 18:08.21 | freelikegnu | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Understanding_sugar_code |
| 18:09.11 | pupnik | i think nokia would do well to consider what can be done for a more flashy UI |
| 18:09.32 | pupnik | but... then again i like 'simple' personally |
| 18:09.38 | lcuk | ie, push them towards implimenting a more flashy graphics chip |
| 18:09.44 | KotCzarny | yes, shiny is nice |
| 18:09.50 | lcuk | perhaps some sort of powervr implimentation ;) |
| 18:09.52 | KotCzarny | but after a while you prefer speedy |
| 18:09.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:09.54 | pupnik | yeah i think 'shiny' sells |
| 18:10.11 | pupnik | iphone is mostly selling on 'shiny' |
| 18:10.26 | lcuk | what res is iphone |
| 18:10.46 | pupnik | 320x480 i think |
| 18:10.50 | freelikegnu | sugar is far more suitable for a small touchscreen than what comes with maemo, imho |
| 18:10.51 | lcuk | cos if i knocked nokia res down to that i bet i could get responsive fast data |
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| 18:11.29 | freelikegnu | you can get some gl like effects from svg |
| 18:12.33 | freelikegnu | a friend of mine is working on a python script to make dynamic svgs for webpages |
| 18:14.39 | lcuk | arent people happy using gif anims? |
| 18:14.47 | lcuk | or *spit* flash |
| 18:15.05 | KotCzarny | or javascript |
| 18:15.06 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:15.58 | lcuk | i think server side <BLINK> is the best thing to come recently. very web 2.0 |
| 18:16.55 | KotCzarny | yes, and <MARQUEE> |
| 18:17.01 | KotCzarny | definitely. |
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| 18:17.28 | KotCzarny | and i have heard ie doesn't support <blink> |
| 18:17.56 | KotCzarny | what a limited browser |
| 18:18.19 | freelikegnu | not much in svg support |
| 18:18.54 | czr | marquee brings some memories |
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| 18:20.00 | kpel | hi all |
| 18:20.23 | KotCzarny | all left |
| 18:22.15 | kpel | any idea why mplayer,unzip and the cpu load applet cannot be updated but they appear in the list of available updates? |
| 18:22.30 | KotCzarny | check logs in app-manager |
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| 18:26.30 | freelikegnu | svg support would be very appealing |
| 18:26.31 | freelikegnu | http://faemalia.net/ArtWorx/SVG/A-Time-For-Sleeping--A-Time-For-Loving.svgz |
| 18:26.37 | freelikegnu | NSFW |
| 18:26.48 | kpel | 404 - not found. The packages are missing |
| 18:27.11 | freelikegnu | packages? |
| 18:27.12 | KotCzarny | and challenging |
| 18:27.34 | lcuk | freelikegnu, i thought the idea was resizable? but apart from that it looks like a slow picture. what is the benefit to a web user? |
| 18:27.35 | KotCzarny | it scrolls slowly on 600mhz pentium-m |
| 18:27.35 | freelikegnu | its a compressed svg |
| 18:28.21 | KotCzarny | also is drawn badly |
| 18:28.34 | freelikegnu | heh |
| 18:28.47 | lcuk | lol, look in the source <nipple placement='left'> |
| 18:28.48 | lcuk | ;) |
| 18:29.10 | KotCzarny | what would you expect |
| 18:29.14 | KotCzarny | latin? |
| 18:29.26 | KotCzarny | obj342 ? |
| 18:29.28 | freelikegnu | I was looking for some svgz that were served via http |
| 18:30.09 | KotCzarny | i wonder how long it will take for them to add 'textures' |
| 18:30.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 18:31.00 | KotCzarny | seriously, it will be fpp+web |
| 18:36.53 | freelikegnu | building sugar on debian: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_on_Debian |
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| 18:48.44 | KotCzarny | what are suggested gcc flags for n800 ? |
| 18:49.28 | ssvb | does anybody have N800 with OS2007 installed to run a quick test? |
| 18:49.47 | KotCzarny | navi downgraded to 2k7 yesterday |
| 18:49.48 | KotCzarny | afair |
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| 18:56.07 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 18:56.22 | KotCzarny | having sshfs on n800 roolez. |
| 18:56.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:01.02 | lcuk | supposing i managed to get the flash, could me as an 810 user attempt to flash 2007? |
| 19:01.02 | freelikegnu | KotCzarny: nice |
| 19:01.31 | freelikegnu | fuse just kicks ass all around |
| 19:01.36 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 19:01.45 | KotCzarny | good thing it compiles flawlessly |
| 19:02.09 | freelikegnu | fuseiso9660 is one I use alot |
| 19:04.28 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure. |
| 19:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Just gotta unpack it and flash individually. |
| 19:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | No guarantees that wifi will work, though. |
| 19:05.09 | KotCzarny | insmod -f ? |
| 19:05.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:07.44 | KotCzarny | flg: why do you prefer it over iso9660.ko ? |
| 19:08.17 | lcuk | hmmm too much trouble |
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| 19:10.00 | Spork | Hello |
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| 19:18.04 | freelikegnu | KotCzarny: no need for sudo to mount .iso images |
| 19:19.53 | KotCzarny | ah. |
| 19:20.01 | KotCzarny | but isn't -o user for that? |
| 19:20.05 | KotCzarny | in fstab? |
| 19:20.22 | freelikegnu | no need to mess with fstab either |
| 19:21.01 | KotCzarny | but you mess with /usr/bin |
| 19:21.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:21.15 | freelikegnu | $ fuseiso9660 my.iso ./here |
| 19:21.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:21.53 | freelikegnu | it can be mounted to any folder quickly |
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| 19:23.37 | freelikegnu | would be nice to make a script for context menu that will make a folder named from the selected iso and mount the iso to it |
| 19:23.57 | KotCzarny | simple |
| 19:24.02 | freelikegnu | yep |
| 19:24.04 | KotCzarny | but the one who needs it, writes it |
| 19:24.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:24.13 | freelikegnu | I can do that |
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| 19:33.34 | freelikegnu | in xfce/thunar its v.easy: Custom Actions => mkdir %f.mount & fuseiso9660 %f %f.mount |
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| 19:37.58 | KotCzarny | install xfce on maemo? |
| 19:37.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:47.34 | KotCzarny | wwwwooow |
| 19:47.41 | KotCzarny | links on n800 rocks |
| 19:47.42 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:51.46 | pupnik | you got the mouse working? |
| 19:52.09 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 19:52.11 | pupnik | just needs vkbd support |
| 19:52.12 | KotCzarny | works out of the box |
| 19:52.16 | pupnik | ok |
| 19:52.29 | freelikegnu | if only it were "Links" the old golf game :D |
| 19:52.39 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:52.47 | KotCzarny | keyboard, hehe |
| 19:52.53 | KotCzarny | i wonder how to call it |
| 19:53.00 | KotCzarny | there was xvkbd |
| 19:53.05 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it will work |
| 19:53.21 | KotCzarny | (standard x app to send key press events to any fg window) |
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| 20:00.09 | KotCzarny | http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ |
| 20:00.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:00.11 | KotCzarny | here |
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| 20:12.09 | mb___ | I thought it was probably useful to publish information on the n810 serial console on my homepage. So here we go: http://bu3sch.de/n810.php Dunno if something like that doea already exist somewhere on the web, but google didn't find anything. Have fun anyway. |
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| 20:23.33 | cy3o3 | So what's the OS 2008 xterm package? |
| 20:23.39 | cy3o3 | I'm not seeing one on maemo.org |
| 20:23.44 | KotCzarny | osso-xterm |
| 20:23.46 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 20:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's included by default. |
| 20:24.01 | cy3o3 | I see, it comes with it now |
| 20:24.03 | cy3o3 | Nice |
| 20:24.06 | cy3o3 | Well, that's cool ;) |
| 20:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately it's also a downgrade from the maemo-hackers version for 2007. :\ |
| 20:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like the worst thing that can happen to a piece of software is for it to become bundled. |
| 20:24.52 | rm_you | yeah, I wish they'd make another |
| 20:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | Then Nokia does their damndest to make it as shitty as you can possibly imagine. |
| 20:25.06 | KotCzarny | what's the problem to recompile? |
| 20:25.11 | rm_you | the hacker version was awesome |
| 20:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, rm_you. :) |
| 20:25.13 | freelikegnu | I put up a little Ubuntu/Debian XFCE fuseiso tute here: http://www.freelikegnu.org/?p=44 |
| 20:25.14 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:25.22 | GeneralAntilles | I've got another project for you. :D |
| 20:25.24 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:25.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-mockup.jpg |
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| 20:25.57 | rm_you | ? |
| 20:26.05 | rm_you | lolwtf |
| 20:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the idea is to replace the contacts Navigator plugin with a "My Selection" menu. |
| 20:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | Thus freeing up an extra folder in the Application Menu. |
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| 20:26.55 | GeneralAntilles | Working: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-duped.jpg |
| 20:27.31 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I just delete the "My Selection" folder and reorganize everything into my own folders >_> |
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| 20:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | That's not the point. |
| 20:27.53 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:27.57 | GeneralAntilles | The point is that you get 12 extra spaces. :P |
| 20:28.03 | freelikegnu | something like XFCE panels "genmon" would be a nice applet, something that can take the generic stdout of a command or script and display in an applet box |
| 20:28.46 | rm_you | hrm well, i'm late for a software development meeting |
| 20:28.53 | rm_you | so i gotta run >_> |
| 20:29.00 | KotCzarny | general: get simple launcher |
| 20:29.04 | KotCzarny | your menu looks fugly |
| 20:29.05 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:29.12 | rm_you | bbl |
| 20:29.16 | KotCzarny | better way would be thinner rows |
| 20:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, you still don't get it. |
| 20:29.29 | KotCzarny | i simply don't like it :) |
| 20:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Good for you. |
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| 20:30.59 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, there's nothing saying that the row size can't be customizable. |
| 20:31.39 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:31.55 | KotCzarny | but there's no exposed config either |
| 20:32.03 | KotCzarny | xvkbd works, kinda |
| 20:32.20 | KotCzarny | why wm ignores -geometry? |
| 20:35.24 | jku | KotCzarny, matchbox? |
| 20:35.32 | KotCzarny | yes, apparently |
| 20:35.38 | jku | because it's maximized only |
| 20:35.47 | KotCzarny | yes, i noticed that |
| 20:35.49 | jku | that's kind of the point |
| 20:36.00 | KotCzarny | and i guess it need some fluxboxing. |
| 20:36.11 | KotCzarny | but then again would text services work? |
| 20:38.20 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:38.52 | KotCzarny | maximization button could be using to call xvkbd |
| 20:39.07 | KotCzarny | if nokia's panel refuses to work in other wm |
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| 20:41.27 | KotCzarny | and making xvkbd transluecent and full screen would rock |
| 20:42.14 | freelikegnu | finger kb is pretty close to that |
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| 20:42.23 | KotCzarny | transluecent? |
| 20:42.52 | freelikegnu | I said "pretty close" |
| 20:42.57 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 20:43.06 | freelikegnu | as it is nearly full screen too |
| 20:43.06 | KotCzarny | then xvkbd is at the same stage |
| 20:43.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:43.22 | KotCzarny | http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/#download |
| 20:43.23 | freelikegnu | have you seen cell-writer? |
| 20:43.53 | KotCzarny | nope, i haven't played with tablets before (too much) |
| 20:43.59 | freelikegnu | this is a nice input app: http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ |
| 20:44.12 | freelikegnu | very good recognition too |
| 20:44.25 | KotCzarny | i would like thumb keyboard more |
| 20:44.26 | freelikegnu | you can train it very quickly |
| 20:44.32 | freelikegnu | it has two modes |
| 20:44.44 | freelikegnu | writing and virtual kb |
| 20:45.06 | KotCzarny | no screenshot of vkb |
| 20:45.25 | Tama^3 | Goodday |
| 20:45.31 | Tama^3 | *yawn* |
| 20:46.36 | freelikegnu | it's there, I swear! |
| 20:46.57 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd.png |
| 20:46.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:47.05 | KotCzarny | and i mind you it's configurable |
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| 20:47.30 | KotCzarny | and stretchable |
| 20:48.28 | KotCzarny | and sends keystrokes to last active/pre selected window |
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| 20:52.47 | Tama^3 | and fugly |
| 20:52.49 | Tama^3 | xD |
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| 20:53.02 | KotCzarny | yeah, it's old |
| 20:53.08 | KotCzarny | but imagine it transparent |
| 20:53.22 | KotCzarny | and you will actually see what you're typing |
| 20:53.31 | KotCzarny | without reducing other app window |
| 20:54.00 | Tama^3 | that would be cool |
| 20:54.04 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:54.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:54.15 | KotCzarny | and it shouldn't be too hard to implement |
| 20:54.15 | Tama^3 | without the numeric pad |
| 20:54.20 | KotCzarny | it's configurable |
| 20:54.28 | KotCzarny | you can enable numpad too |
| 20:54.40 | KotCzarny | but you can enter numbers already |
| 20:54.49 | KotCzarny | so i prefer having bigger 'keys' |
| 20:54.58 | Tama^3 | exactly |
| 20:55.17 | KotCzarny | on the screen shot numpad is enabled |
| 20:55.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:55.42 | Tama^3 | yes and it takes up too much space |
| 20:57.46 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd-nonumpad.png |
| 20:58.47 | KotCzarny | i should let it use some nicer font |
| 20:58.51 | KotCzarny | to make it appealing |
| 20:58.52 | KotCzarny | :> |
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| 21:03.06 | KotCzarny | i think compose and up-arrow should be swapped |
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| 21:03.15 | KotCzarny | on that shot |
| 21:06.01 | freelikegnu | wow is that an actual screen cap? |
| 21:06.06 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:06.09 | KotCzarny | and it's working |
| 21:06.19 | freelikegnu | nice |
| 21:06.22 | KotCzarny | fe. i can send keys to left side of the screen |
| 21:06.44 | KotCzarny | i can't move it to let some other app focus |
| 21:06.52 | freelikegnu | I wonder how it could be made to see through.. |
| 21:06.57 | KotCzarny | easy |
| 21:07.01 | KotCzarny | just do screenshot |
| 21:07.02 | KotCzarny | mix it |
| 21:07.05 | KotCzarny | and show it |
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| 21:07.12 | KotCzarny | or simply use xshape |
| 21:07.28 | KotCzarny | but that would also send clicks to window below |
| 21:07.32 | KotCzarny | i guess |
| 21:07.34 | freelikegnu | the font would have to be larger to be clear and no look like text below |
| 21:07.45 | KotCzarny | it's configurable |
| 21:07.54 | KotCzarny | i just run it as it is |
| 21:07.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:08.14 | freelikegnu | its nice to have the f-keys handy |
| 21:08.18 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:08.22 | KotCzarny | they can be hidden too |
| 21:08.30 | KotCzarny | as you see on the screenshot with menu |
| 21:09.38 | KotCzarny | btw. font shouldn't be larger |
| 21:09.46 | KotCzarny | if the window gets transparent |
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| 21:09.54 | KotCzarny | you wouldn't want to let it obscure too much |
| 21:10.10 | KotCzarny | (key names and borders should be still visible) |
| 21:10.57 | KotCzarny | also, keys can be programmed |
| 21:10.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 21:15.07 | freelikegnu | KotCzarny: here is cell-writer kb mode btw: http://herenaforge.org/random/cellwriter.png |
| 21:15.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:15.50 | spirytusick | see you tommorow guys. Time to power off for tonight... |
| 21:16.13 | Tama^3 | is matchbox in OS2008 compiled with composting? |
| 21:16.23 | KotCzarny | composting, lol |
| 21:16.35 | Tama^3 | ? |
| 21:16.44 | Tama^3 | xD |
| 21:16.53 | freelikegnu | will it blend? |
| 21:17.10 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.10 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.10 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.10 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.11 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:17.28 | Tama^3 | it's written like that all the intertubes |
| 21:17.35 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 21:17.43 | KotCzarny | but isn't it 'composing' ? |
| 21:17.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:17.47 | Tama^3 | it sounded fishy to me too but... |
| 21:17.52 | freelikegnu | com pos it ing |
| 21:17.56 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 21:17.57 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:18.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:19.39 | Tama^3 | my bad |
| 21:19.43 | Tama^3 | I cannot read properly |
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| 21:30.50 | dskippy | I am trying to get mDNS working on my N800. I've installed avahi on the N800 but have not been able to ping my laptop with it's hostname.local |
| 21:31.27 | dskippy | My laptop and other machines on the network are running avahi and can ping each other with their hostnames. |
| 21:31.31 | Tama^3 | probably not exactly what you want but... |
| 21:31.33 | KotCzarny | cat /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 21:31.44 | dskippy | It's just nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:31.58 | Tama^3 | what I do is hack /sbin/udhcpc |
| 21:32.10 | KotCzarny | what's mdns? |
| 21:32.18 | dskippy | The laptop has 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:32.29 | dskippy | And also "search home" |
| 21:32.38 | KotCzarny | search should be local |
| 21:32.39 | Tama^3 | I move the executable to /sbin/udhcpc_old and put a script in its place calling the exec with the -H hostname flag |
| 21:32.39 | KotCzarny | then |
| 21:32.41 | dskippy | I tried addingthat and "search local" with no luck. |
| 21:33.00 | dskippy | KotCzarny, I thought so but the laptop does fine with search home. |
| 21:33.11 | dskippy | Shouldn't avahi be writing to that file? |
| 21:33.12 | KotCzarny | probably has other config |
| 21:33.21 | KotCzarny | i use pdnsd anyway |
| 21:33.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:33.26 | dskippy | What's that? |
| 21:33.33 | dskippy | You use it on maemo? |
| 21:33.35 | KotCzarny | it's a dns cache + mini dns server |
| 21:33.46 | KotCzarny | nope, on my laptop, but i will install it on maemo too |
| 21:34.03 | dskippy | hm. I could use that. |
| 21:34.28 | dskippy | I'd have to set up a mini dns server on a server on the network and then tell the mameo to look there? |
| 21:34.37 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 21:34.42 | KotCzarny | you can install it anywhere |
| 21:34.46 | KotCzarny | even on maemo |
| 21:35.01 | KotCzarny | think of it as a caching proxy |
| 21:35.03 | KotCzarny | for dns |
| 21:35.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.07 | dskippy | Do I need a centralized server for the DNS or is it like mDNS? |
| 21:35.23 | KotCzarny | it can be told to use any server you like |
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| 21:37.38 | dskippy | I copied my laptop's resolv.conf exactly to the nokia but it's still not working. |
| 21:37.50 | KotCzarny | what's in it? |
| 21:38.14 | dskippy | # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! |
| 21:38.14 | dskippy | search home |
| 21:38.15 | dskippy | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:38.48 | dskippy | I am assuming that it will not need a daemo restarted inorder to work. |
| 21:38.58 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:39.21 | KotCzarny | grep dns /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 21:39.46 | dskippy | On the lap top: |
| 21:39.56 | dskippy | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 21:40.01 | dskippy | On the nokia: |
| 21:40.06 | dskippy | hosts: files dns |
| 21:41.27 | KotCzarny | try nslookup hostname.local 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:41.39 | KotCzarny | substitute hostname for the name you need |
| 21:42.12 | dskippy | "Can't resolve ..." |
| 21:42.25 | KotCzarny | then yout 192.168.1.1 server isn't working |
| 21:42.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:42.50 | KotCzarny | or at least doesn't know about .local domains |
| 21:43.07 | dskippy | Hmm, without the local the info is very interesting. |
| 21:43.18 | dskippy | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# nslookup dskippy-laptop 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:43.18 | dskippy | Server: 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:43.18 | dskippy | Address 1: 192.168.1.1 Wireless_Broadband_Router.home |
| 21:43.18 | dskippy | Name: dskippy-laptop |
| 21:43.19 | dskippy | Address 1: 192.168.1.12 dskippy-laptop.home |
| 21:43.34 | KotCzarny | then you domain is .home |
| 21:43.36 | KotCzarny | not .local |
| 21:43.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:43.54 | dskippy | Weird. It works at .local for everyone else. Why is that? |
| 21:43.55 | KotCzarny | it's probably some dsl/cable router |
| 21:44.06 | KotCzarny | maybe everyone else uses local hosts? |
| 21:44.12 | dskippy | But the other machines use home. |
| 21:44.19 | KotCzarny | or just send queries without .local ? |
| 21:44.46 | dskippy | Possible. Doesn't work for the other machines. |
| 21:44.56 | KotCzarny | try nslookup dskippy-laptop.home |
| 21:45.19 | KotCzarny | though it will simply use /etc/hosts for it |
| 21:45.47 | dskippy | Same output |
| 21:46.00 | dskippy | I guess I just have to use .home for it. |
| 21:46.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:46.11 | dskippy | I need to go log on to the other network to try it out though. |
| 21:46.13 | KotCzarny | you can set .local on your router |
| 21:46.17 | dskippy | I'm seeing inconsisancies. |
| 21:46.29 | KotCzarny | incosistencies |
| 21:46.44 | dskippy | :) |
| 21:46.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | You're both wrong. :\ |
| 21:47.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.25 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 21:47.34 | KotCzarny | inconsistencies |
| 21:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | No, not probably, you are. |
| 21:47.50 | KotCzarny | probably == 'yes, but i don't care' |
| 21:47.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | Then why did you try to correct skippy? |
| 21:48.10 | KotCzarny | i'm sleepy => prone to errors |
| 21:48.20 | KotCzarny | because i like to be correct? |
| 21:48.27 | KotCzarny | and mine was a typo |
| 21:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | So was his. |
| 21:48.46 | Proteous | and mine was inconsistant |
| 21:48.48 | dskippy | On the other router it doesn't work at all. |
| 21:48.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:49.08 | Proteous | or was it inconsistent? |
| 21:49.13 | Proteous | duke it out! |
| 21:49.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:49.30 | Tama^3 | GA, help me! KotCzarny made fun of me! I need vengeance |
| 21:49.35 | KotCzarny | did i? |
| 21:49.38 | Tama^3 | xD |
| 21:49.47 | KotCzarny | who cares |
| 21:49.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Only if you become my code monkey. |
| 21:50.00 | Tama^3 | you shall pay dearly for it |
| 21:50.07 | KotCzarny | i'm nobodys monkey |
| 21:50.09 | KotCzarny | i'm a cat |
| 21:50.19 | Tama^3 | GA's code monkey? NOOOOOooooooo..... |
| 21:50.26 | Proteous | I'm gonna eat you little fisshhy |
| 21:50.37 | KotCzarny | fishty? |
| 21:50.47 | KotCzarny | m-i-t-a |
| 21:50.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:50.49 | lcuk | Proteous, careful or you will break a tooth. those are robot fish |
| 21:50.58 | Proteous | :P |
| 21:51.26 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:51.47 | dskippy | KotCzarny, I can't resolve anything using 192.168.1.1 on the other network. |
| 21:51.58 | KotCzarny | life |
| 21:52.09 | KotCzarny | it's #maemo, not #internet |
| 21:52.10 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 21:52.17 | dskippy | It's a linksys wireless-n router. The one that's working that you helped me debug moments ago is a verizon fios router/modem. |
| 21:52.21 | czr | it's closer to #monkeys than #internet. |
| 21:52.21 | lcuk | life: no route to host |
| 21:52.40 | KotCzarny | no |
| 21:52.43 | Proteous | life: connection reset by pheer |
| 21:52.47 | KotCzarny | just a unlucky parasite |
| 21:52.48 | dskippy | But still they work on all other machines other than the maemo. |
| 21:52.48 | GeneralAntilles | Zombie! |
| 21:52.57 | KotCzarny | dskippy, just use opendns |
| 21:52.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:53.07 | KotCzarny | and forget abot the rest |
| 21:53.10 | KotCzarny | about |
| 21:53.39 | KotCzarny | 208.67.220.220, 208.67.222.222 |
| 21:53.43 | KotCzarny | those are ips |
| 21:54.30 | KotCzarny | btw. what gcc flags are usefull on n800? |
| 21:54.59 | KotCzarny | right now i'm using: -Os -s -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing |
| 21:55.45 | dskippy | KotCzarny, Maybe I will. |
| 21:56.09 | dskippy | When I do nslookup dskippy-laptop.local on the other network I get "no authoritative answer" |
| 21:56.12 | dskippy | But I can ping it. |
| 21:56.16 | Proteous | -fomit-frame-fpointer |
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| 21:59.53 | KotCzarny | One of the options that affect decoding performance is idct implemntation. It can be specified by using -lavdopts idct=# where # is some decimal number. MPlayer man contains the following information: |
| 21:59.58 | KotCzarny | http://www.oesf.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t22280.html |
| 22:03.38 | lcuk | i remember being able to drop 68k assembler into my code back in the mysts of time, can i still do that with arm? |
| 22:04.04 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:04.20 | KotCzarny | it's called inline assembly |
| 22:04.26 | KotCzarny | gcc does that |
| 22:05.56 | lcuk | but obviously if i am cross compiling for multiple targets i should use it sparingly and always have a c version of the function available for none arm builds |
| 22:06.19 | KotCzarny | you're hacking |
| 22:06.35 | KotCzarny | if it works good enough it's worth including |
| 22:06.57 | lcuk | no, ive taken a core function up as far as i can take it with native c and want to see just how far i can go |
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| 22:07.31 | KotCzarny | word is gcc is highly optimized as it is |
| 22:07.48 | lcuk | optimisation doesnt seem to help tho that might just be me not knowing enough about the compiler.... |
| 22:08.03 | lcuk | but no compiler can beat hand crafted super optimised code |
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| 22:08.07 | KotCzarny | but it can be quirky |
| 22:08.24 | lcuk | if its a one shot (basically its blitting with extras) |
| 22:08.29 | KotCzarny | i wonder what would gcc 4.2 did to the mplayer code |
| 22:08.29 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 22:08.49 | lcuk | not a great deal from what i can see... |
| 22:09.04 | KotCzarny | do you have gcc 4.x installed? |
| 22:09.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:09.19 | lcuk | god knows lol |
| 22:09.28 | KotCzarny | gcc -v |
| 22:10.10 | KotCzarny | you will probably have 3.4.4 |
| 22:10.12 | lcuk | nahhh its not - 3.4.4 |
| 22:10.13 | lcuk | yer |
| 22:10.24 | lcuk | your magic ball does you well |
| 22:10.31 | KotCzarny | 4.x is quite different beast |
| 22:12.05 | lcuk | i expect in the future compiled code will beat hand tweaked, but it will no doubt involve lots of genetic testing of each block. its much like machine translation - its easy to get something that sounds right, but it will never be fluent |
| 22:12.24 | lcuk | spoken ^ |
| 22:12.52 | KotCzarny | i guess gcc tests what's good for you while compiling itself |
| 22:14.03 | Yanker | #define FF_IDCT_SIMPLEARMV5TE 16 (recently added in mplayer 1.0rc1) looks promising from the benchmarks |
| 22:14.07 | lcuk | tbh, i dont think it needs to do too much - theres no point the machine spending an extra 10 minutes heavily optimising the init/cleanup code for me - it works really well in its current form, its the inner loops etc that need work |
| 22:14.17 | lcuk | how will we tell it what to concentrate on? |
| 22:14.22 | KotCzarny | yanker: it's used by default |
| 22:14.28 | KotCzarny | from what i have seen in tests |
| 22:14.53 | KotCzarny | lcuk: oprofile |
| 22:14.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:15.07 | KotCzarny | it will tell you what parts of the code take most time |
| 22:15.21 | KotCzarny | -> what could be worth trying to optimize |
| 22:15.25 | lcuk | but that involves building each piece, running oprofile on its output rebuilding based upon the results etc |
| 22:15.34 | lcuk | time is money |
| 22:15.48 | KotCzarny | yes, but it all depends what you want to achieve |
| 22:15.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:16.11 | lcuk | suppose - like a 2 pass divx encode |
| 22:16.17 | lcuk | :) |
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| 22:16.50 | lcuk | 1 pass gives quick and dirty, but if you want better you let it run a second pass |
| 22:17.01 | KotCzarny | or download from p2p |
| 22:17.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:17.04 | cancerbero | hi |
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| 22:20.09 | KotCzarny | You may need to specify the name of your crosscompiler when running make (ex. 'CC="arm-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc" make test-idct') |
| 22:20.10 | KotCzarny | After that please copy 'test-idct' bunary to your device and run it specifying cpu clock frequency in the command line (for 416MHz Zaurus it would be './test-idct --freq=416') |
| 22:20.15 | KotCzarny | http://www.oesf.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t22280-50.html |
| 22:20.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:20.40 | KotCzarny | time for some testing |
| 22:21.00 | Navi | woo |
| 22:21.11 | Navi | Still talking about movie playing? |
| 22:21.11 | Spakman | alterego: Any news on getting the ruby-maemo source? :) |
| 22:21.22 | KotCzarny | nope, optimization flags in general |
| 22:21.29 | Navi | mmk |
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| 22:25.27 | cLin | fbreader works with pdfs...right? |
| 22:25.32 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 22:25.57 | cancerbero | help!! i've a problem with gpg...someone know how use the gpg??...because he give me a message when I want create the new key (internal error) |
| 22:25.58 | Navi | No |
| 22:26.03 | Navi | Wish it did |
| 22:26.13 | unixSnob | I've used it |
| 22:26.13 | cLin | what does it read then? |
| 22:26.15 | Navi | pdf is planned, hwever. |
| 22:26.22 | Navi | HTML, RTF, plaintext |
| 22:26.25 | cLin | oh |
| 22:26.33 | cLin | so are there any pdf readers? |
| 22:26.40 | Navi | the built in one, evince |
| 22:26.41 | Tama^3 | there is abuiltin one |
| 22:26.45 | cLin | besides that |
| 22:26.49 | Navi | s/\,/and/ |
| 22:26.55 | KotCzarny | poppler |
| 22:26.58 | KotCzarny | should be in repo |
| 22:27.01 | unixSnob | evince is built into the NIT distro? |
| 22:27.03 | Navi | evince is somewhere |
| 22:27.07 | cLin | poppler? |
| 22:27.07 | lcuk | downvert it to flattext |
| 22:27.08 | Navi | No, it's not built in :P |
| 22:27.10 | cLin | lemme see |
| 22:27.36 | Navi | I love comix |
| 22:27.41 | Navi | now I can read all of mah manga :3 |
| 22:27.53 | Spakman | alterego: er, hi, BTW! Just realised I was a bit rude. |
| 22:27.58 | Yanker | hmm would i do something faulty by getting a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:28.10 | Navi | you could fuck something up |
| 22:28.21 | Navi | the repositories aren't unified on the dependencies front |
| 22:28.32 | Navi | but go ahead, if you'd like. |
| 22:28.57 | KotCzarny | reflashing is fast |
| 22:28.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:29.03 | KotCzarny | and 99% safe |
| 22:29.04 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:29.11 | Navi | :D |
| 22:29.16 | Yanker | ah *pohew* |
| 22:29.22 | Yanker | reboot fixed my dbus |
| 22:29.25 | Navi | Yeah, I was surprised at how fast it way. |
| 22:29.30 | Navi | s/way/was/ |
| 22:29.32 | unixSnob | So I'm following the instructions for installing the sdk on a non-debian machine, and it tells me to use apt-get |
| 22:29.56 | Yanker | yea the flashing part itself is :) |
| 22:30.10 | Yanker | but reconfiguring the packages you installed prior to a flash is not :p |
| 22:30.25 | unixSnob | "apt-get update" what does that mean to non-debian users? |
| 22:30.29 | Yanker | any easy method of producing a flash-image as backup? |
| 22:30.34 | Navi | unixSnob, the scratchbox sandbox has apt-get |
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| 22:30.38 | KotCzarny | you can always flash, install what you want (safe) then make a backup |
| 22:30.39 | Navi | the sandbox is debian-based |
| 22:30.48 | KotCzarny | (dumping flash to network) |
| 22:31.02 | cLin | what other format besides pdf has pages so i can remember where i left off? |
| 22:31.04 | Navi | unixSnob, so, it doesn't matter what your distro uses. |
| 22:31.52 | Yanker | within the scratched box, the red hat dunna mean a thing ;-) |
| 22:31.58 | unixSnob | apt-get is not in the bin dir |
| 22:32.07 | Yanker | nor does the gene spliced gentoo cow hehe |
| 22:32.12 | Navi | unixSnob, it doesn't matter if it is. |
| 22:32.31 | unixSnob | Do I run that on the scratchbox prompt |
| 22:32.36 | Navi | yes |
| 22:32.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:32.45 | jku | unixSnob, lots of things aren't in normal places in sb... |
| 22:32.58 | Yanker | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARM: ~] > whereis apt-get |
| 22:32.58 | Yanker | apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/X11R6/bin/apt-get /usr/bin/X11/apt-get |
| 22:33.01 | KotCzarny | find|grep does wonders |
| 22:33.23 | KotCzarny | symlinks |
| 22:33.29 | unixSnob | find found 3 copies of it |
| 22:33.31 | KotCzarny | x11 is symlinked to /usr/bin |
| 22:33.37 | jku | Yanker, the one that gets used is /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/apt-get |
| 22:33.41 | Navi | unixSnob, what you have to understand is that scratchbox, as simple as I'll put it, is just another distro. |
| 22:33.41 | KotCzarny | tell find not to follow symlinks |
| 22:34.14 | Yanker | s/just/yet |
| 22:34.45 | KotCzarny | just is also correct |
| 22:34.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:34.49 | Navi | when you go into it, it uses the libraries, binaries, etc. that are within the scratchbox environment, it doesn't matter what you have on your own linux distribution |
| 22:34.56 | unixSnob | seems like a Solaris zone or container |
| 22:35.27 | KotCzarny | --- benchmarking with zero idct coefficients --- |
| 22:35.29 | KotCzarny | simple_idct_armv5te time=604.8 |
| 22:35.32 | KotCzarny | simple_idct_armv6 time=769.6 |
| 22:35.35 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 22:35.47 | KotCzarny | v5te is better? |
| 22:35.58 | KotCzarny | (on n800) |
| 22:37.20 | Yanker | yet sounds better, more gnu-ish ;) |
| 22:38.14 | Navi | RMS can go lick his ass, who cares about GNU-ish. |
| 22:38.28 | doc|home | Navi: you're using GNU in your maemo.... |
| 22:38.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 22:39.05 | Navi | The software I use is GNU/GPL, but any other open source license would work just as well. |
| 22:39.15 | doc|home | GNU is not a license |
| 22:39.24 | KotCzarny | ..it's a way of life |
| 22:39.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:39.27 | doc|home | heh |
| 22:39.43 | Navi | I realize it, which is why I stated GNU/GPL |
| 22:39.50 | Yanker | navi was just jokin' |
| 22:39.55 | doc|home | so, in other words, once again, you're talking out of your arse |
| 22:40.07 | KotCzarny | quite normal |
| 22:40.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:40.12 | doc|home | indeed |
| 22:41.06 | KotCzarny | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-September/035322.html |
| 22:41.23 | Navi | doc|home, I never stated GNU was a license. |
| 22:41.31 | Yanker | The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU system. |
| 22:42.12 | Yanker | never the less, the GPL underlines the phrase 'free software' =) |
| 22:42.36 | Yanker | i can't begin to tell ya how optimistic i am about linux on a tablet |
| 22:43.14 | KotCzarny | it only takes one binary kernel module to taint it |
| 22:43.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:43.35 | KotCzarny | and if it is a network device driver... |
| 22:43.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 22:44.13 | cLin | out of fb2, oeb and openreader, which format is most popular? |
| 22:44.22 | KotCzarny | html |
| 22:44.28 | lcuk | txt |
| 22:44.33 | glass | txt or simple html |
| 22:44.36 | KotCzarny | txt is hxc |
| 22:44.38 | cLin | i just used a pdf to html and it splits it into one html fileper page |
| 22:44.41 | cLin | is that normal? |
| 22:44.45 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:44.48 | cLin | ok |
| 22:44.51 | KotCzarny | you can join htmls |
| 22:44.57 | Yanker | hmm drivers.. anyone has a good buzzword for something to put serialized bits through the bluetooth? |
| 22:44.59 | KotCzarny | or make index page |
| 22:45.01 | Navi | Don't have to >_> |
| 22:45.04 | Yanker | from say.. commandline or a c-lib? |
| 22:45.55 | KotCzarny | An interesting observation is that this ARMv5TE code is practically as |
| 22:45.55 | KotCzarny | fast as current ARMv6 implementation when considering only the number |
| 22:45.56 | KotCzarny | crunching part, but falls behind on storing pixel data to memory as |
| 22:45.56 | KotCzarny | ARMv6 can do cropping to 0-255 range much more efficiently because of |
| 22:45.56 | KotCzarny | having special instructions for that. |
| 22:46.37 | KotCzarny | there's hope for optimizations |
| 22:46.42 | KotCzarny | for n800+ that is |
| 22:47.17 | lcuk | theres always hope. its whether or not there is a will to perform those optimisations. |
| 22:47.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:47.31 | KotCzarny | i guess there is |
| 22:47.47 | KotCzarny | it's already fast enough to do 800x480x25fps |
| 22:47.56 | KotCzarny | 'optimizing' |
| 22:48.03 | lcuk | but not with sound tho is there |
| 22:48.53 | KotCzarny | you can always write a script to run mplayer -ac none && mplayer -vc none -ao gst at the same time |
| 22:48.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | and not a realtime. |
| 22:49.04 | KotCzarny | realtime |
| 22:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | s/a/in/ |
| 22:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 22:49.21 | cLin | KotCzarny, you got any good pdf -> html converters? |
| 22:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | cLin, Acrobat. |
| 22:49.39 | KotCzarny | it would be cool if mplayer had a ability to intercommunicate and sync |
| 22:49.41 | cLin | i use foxit =\ |
| 22:49.42 | lcuk | its perfectly possible to get the data to the framebuffer in realtime (my greyscale xv renderer can manage it full res) but thers not too much time left over for doing anything else |
| 22:50.46 | lcuk | dropping the res slightly gives more time available and doesnt look half bad - renders at fullscreen with free scaling etc |
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| 22:51.46 | lcuk | ahhh speaking of which - is it possible for me to inform sdl_ttf that i want a different aspect ratio when rendering fonts |
| 22:52.02 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 22:52.18 | s33ds | hiya, im fiddling a bit with the .mozilla settings.. is there any mplayerplug-in as in usual distros yet? |
| 22:52.25 | lcuk | i couldnt see anything in my cursory observations - i think it takes it from the screen itself |
| 22:53.45 | KotCzarny | http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/benchmark/testsuite1/ |
| 22:53.50 | KotCzarny | for the needy |
| 22:54.13 | KotCzarny | also 2 is there |
| 22:54.38 | s33ds | the about:plugins looks a little sad in my microb.. :s |
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| 22:58.35 | lcuk | holy shit |
| 22:58.49 | lcuk | ive just remembered what i was doing code wise the day my amiga died :S |
| 22:58.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:59.07 | KotCzarny | parkinson attacks |
| 23:00.12 | lcuk | just wow |
| 23:00.31 | lcuk | :P im not sick |
| 23:00.38 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 23:00.50 | KotCzarny | now go with the program |
| 23:02.29 | lcuk | i think i might do actually, it was reading about arm thumb instructions - i got a feeling like when you smell something and it brings you back to the kitchen when you were 3 |
| 23:02.31 | lcuk | back later |
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| 23:03.21 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 23:03.30 | johnx | hello |
| 23:04.05 | GnutoN810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.47 | unixSnob | Yeah.. kinda like if you grow up around pot smoke and good times.. then rediscover that odor when you're old enough to know what it is |
| 23:05.22 | GnutoN810 | i've just set up my openvpn server |
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| 23:05.39 | lcuk | w^ |
| 23:05.56 | unixSnob | using ddwrt? |
| 23:06.04 | GnutoN810 | and now i'm able to use openvpn on my n810..it's great. |
| 23:06.07 | freelikegnu | hmm maemo-sdk repos dont seem to be working |
| 23:06.36 | GnutoN810 | unixSnob, no i've got a linux server behind my router |
| 23:06.54 | freelikegnu | Resolving repository.maemo.org... 205.177.95.69, 205.177.95.55 |
| 23:06.54 | freelikegnu | Connecting to repository.maemo.org|205.177.95.69|:80... connected. |
| 23:06.54 | freelikegnu | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 23:07.56 | unixSnob | I'm redownloading the scratchbox, and its working okay |
| 23:08.12 | KotCzarny | he talks about maemo-sdk |
| 23:08.57 | freelikegnu | hmm seems like its maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.0.1_armel.tgz now |
| 23:09.23 | unixSnob | I just downloaded rootstrap within the hour |
| 23:11.26 | freelikegnu | changing to # Release configuration |
| 23:11.30 | freelikegnu | __version=4.0.1 |
| 23:11.39 | freelikegnu | seems to be working |
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| 23:13.49 | unixSnob | I was blown away to discover that Windows CE is open source |
| 23:14.04 | KotCzarny | open, but free? |
| 23:14.13 | unixSnob | wonder what compelled microsoft to give up their control freakishness |
| 23:14.15 | KotCzarny | and wince sucked |
| 23:14.21 | unixSnob | no, not free |
| 23:14.31 | johnx | unixSnob, that "shared source" license? |
| 23:14.32 | unixSnob | or at least, not free to redistribute |
| 23:14.41 | unixSnob | Yeah, I think so |
| 23:14.50 | johnx | that's not really following the "open source" guidelines then |
| 23:14.57 | unixSnob | It's a crappy license |
| 23:15.00 | johnx | more like "the source is available, in some way" |
| 23:15.13 | unixSnob | But the fact that all the code is readable is quite a step for M$ |
| 23:15.19 | freelikegnu | more like open sores |
| 23:15.28 | Tama^3 | I wonder if it compiles |
| 23:15.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:15.35 | freelikegnu | but will it blend? |
| 23:15.53 | Navi | What's "USB on the go"? |
| 23:16.06 | Tama^3 | freelikegnu: I think so |
| 23:16.07 | KotCzarny | probably one without much power |
| 23:16.22 | johnx | Navi, a general name for a class of devices that can be a device or host |
| 23:16.26 | KotCzarny | and allowed to blow any devices it doesn't like |
| 23:16.32 | Navi | johnx, ah |
| 23:16.36 | Navi | gah |
| 23:16.39 | Navi | alsa's dead |
| 23:16.43 | johnx | eh? |
| 23:17.01 | Navi | Er, on my system :P |
| 23:17.04 | johnx | Navi, netcraft confirms it? |
| 23:17.05 | johnx | :P |
| 23:17.06 | Navi | No sound |
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| 23:19.34 | desertc | You all heard the good news that the new Ubuntu Mobile will incorporate the Maemo UI ? |
| 23:19.41 | johnx | yup |
| 23:19.48 | KotCzarny | bad news it doesn't matter much for n8x0 |
| 23:19.51 | johnx | 6 or so months ago |
| 23:20.01 | johnx | KotCzarny, it might get people to make more hildon apps |
| 23:20.16 | jku | desertc, link? |
| 23:20.39 | desertc | KotCzarny: it is going to be wildly popular, and Canonical will be encouraging all sorts of development on it |
| 23:21.03 | KotCzarny | i guess there will be incompatibilies |
| 23:21.03 | freelikegnu | oh god no more Hildon apps! |
| 23:21.03 | desertc | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+mobile |
| 23:21.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:21.23 | doc|home | links in relation to maemo? |
| 23:21.27 | johnx | freelikegnu, eh? |
| 23:21.30 | KotCzarny | +maemo ? |
| 23:21.32 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "maemo" is not a valid command. |
| 23:21.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:21.35 | freelikegnu | just being silly |
| 23:21.42 | KotCzarny | +ls |
| 23:21.43 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "ls" is not a valid command. |
| 23:21.51 | KotCzarny | +set |
| 23:21.52 | desertc | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ubuntu+mobile+maemo |
| 23:21.52 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "set" is not a valid command. |
| 23:21.55 | KotCzarny | +help |
| 23:21.56 | freelikegnu | I'm installing 4.0.1 sdk |
| 23:21.56 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 23:21.58 | doc|home | ... |
| 23:22.00 | jku | desertc, your point? e.g. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile doesn't even mention hildon or maemo |
| 23:22.07 | KotCzarny | +help * |
| 23:22.08 | dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: There is no command "*". |
| 23:22.20 | johnx | KotCzarny, stop hax0ring :P |
| 23:22.23 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 23:22.24 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 23:22.39 | *** part/#maemo desertc (n=mmm@ubuntu/member/desertc) |
| 23:22.50 | jku | desertc, it does mention a flash or clutter UI |
| 23:23.20 | johnx | apps will be hildon though, and designed for an 800x480 screen, IIRC |
| 23:24.10 | jku | Yeah, I'm not really expecting them not to use hildon, but I'm just wondering what the "news" was... |
| 23:24.38 | *** part/#maemo s33ds (n=mschr@0x535b80c5.abnxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 23:24.40 | johnx | might just be rumblings about hardy heron coming up |
| 23:25.12 | KotCzarny | huh |
| 23:25.17 | KotCzarny | i misread 'heroin' |
| 23:25.29 | KotCzarny | lame script. |
| 23:26.31 | *** join/#maemo mikedmann (n=mikedman@216.224.128.21) |
| 23:29.30 | *** join/#maemo christefano (n=christef@pool-71-184-223-215.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:29.36 | GnutoN810 | night |
| 23:38.14 | *** join/#maemo vcgomes (n=Vinicius@189.70.51.45) |
| 23:39.04 | *** join/#maemo christefano (n=christef@pool-71-184-223-215.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:40.33 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:44.23 | *** join/#maemo xuser (n=boo@unaffiliated/xuser) |
| 23:44.31 | *** join/#maemo madamn (n=madman@74-129-84-72.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 23:45.15 | madamn | hello everyone. Is this the correct channel to come to if you have questions about an N800 ? |
| 23:45.22 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:45.25 | *** join/#maemo EruditeHermit (n=Erudite@unaffiliated/eruditehermit) |
| 23:45.31 | johnx | it's pretty much the only channel :) |
| 23:45.42 | KotCzarny | probably not |
| 23:45.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:45.49 | madamn | oh ok i wasent sure if it was the developer only channel or not ? |
| 23:46.02 | *** join/#maemo Spork (i=spork@n2-51-215.dhcp.drexel.edu) |
| 23:46.08 | johnx | well, they let me in, so I guess it's not devs only :D |
| 23:46.16 | johnx | ask away |
| 23:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | This is it. |
| 23:46.42 | madamn | is there an easy way to associate chm files to fbreader ? |
| 23:46.51 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:47.06 | KotCzarny | though it should do it automagically |
| 23:47.08 | madamn | i have about 5-6 so i might get thrown out for being a pain |
| 23:47.43 | KotCzarny | adding extension/mimetype/action is pretty easy |
| 23:47.48 | lcuk | madamn, do you mean associate as in "open with fbreader" from the explorer, or "does fbreader handle chm files" |
| 23:47.52 | madamn | it dont it asks what program i want to open with and i can choose fbreader but no way that i have sen to permanitly set it but i havent messedwith the cli much yet so i may miss it |
| 23:47.53 | *** join/#maemo mikedman (n=mikedman@216.224.128.21) |
| 23:48.13 | madamn | no i can read in fbreader i am trying to associate |
| 23:48.31 | lcuk | ive given up with that method and end up using the library |
| 23:48.42 | lcuk | its a bit of a pita, but it does remember your previous folder |
| 23:48.58 | lcuk | (plus, i read txt files as well but have them opening for edit) |
| 23:49.34 | *** join/#maemo akv (i=akv@lnxbx.dk) |
| 23:49.41 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#mime |
| 23:50.40 | KotCzarny | it's as easy as copying file and putting chm instead of other fbreader formAt |
| 23:51.01 | madamn | oh that lookslike fun i need to setup ssh i dont wanna do that with a stylus |
| 23:51.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:51.21 | KotCzarny | send that file via bt |
| 23:51.26 | KotCzarny | back and forth |
| 23:51.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:51.39 | madamn | dont have bt but can do it via usb or wireless |
| 23:51.47 | KotCzarny | usb won't do |
| 23:51.54 | pupnik | you should learn about the great ludwig von mises |
| 23:51.54 | KotCzarny | it's on internal flash |
| 23:52.29 | johnx | but yes, install ssh server. it's really easy :) |
| 23:52.35 | madamn | ok i assume i can do the same with pdf's toswitch to evince right |
| 23:52.50 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:54.44 | lcuk | thanks KotCzarny when i was talking to another dev a couple of weeks ago i thought it required a software change (to register the app within osso as handling certain mime types) i will keep hold of this |
| 23:55.06 | KotCzarny | lcuk: i haven't checked it |
| 23:55.12 | KotCzarny | but i guess it will do |
| 23:55.18 | madamn | ok this question will most likely need to be asked elsewhere but ill ask here incase i get lucky. Is itpossible to change the cacheing in evince so it will load more pages at a time id like to set like a 10 meg buffer for it |
| 23:56.10 | madamn | or even in the default pdf reader ? the main reason i bought this device was to be an ebook reader with web access plus i like to support open source :) |
| 23:56.34 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 23:56.38 | lcuk | fbreader is an open source reader - and it looks amazing |
| 23:56.48 | Navi | too bad it can't do pdf yet. |
| 23:56.52 | KotCzarny | fbreader is medialibrarized :/ |
| 23:56.53 | lcuk | (its just too slow for me) |
| 23:56.57 | unixSnob | can fbreader handle djvu? |
| 23:57.04 | madamn | sometimes |
| 23:57.12 | madamn | i had 1 load and 3 fail sofar |
| 23:57.27 | madamn | grr i keep missing spacebar sorry |
| 23:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, it's juts as well that it can't do PDF |
| 23:57.51 | lcuk | what does fbreader read best? does it have a prefered format, and would it be easy enough to convert documents to that format? |
| 23:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | Shoehorning PDF into its viewing style wouldn't work well. |
| 23:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | HTML works best for me. |
| 23:58.10 | Navi | HTML is nice |
| 23:58.12 | GeneralAntilles | RTF/txt/mobi/prc work well, too. |
| 23:58.20 | Navi | you can always convert PDF to HTML too |
| 23:58.23 | lcuk | a book is about the words, not how they look |
| 23:58.35 | freelikegnu | unless they are not readable |
| 23:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, typography has it's place. :P |
| 23:58.43 | lcuk | lol of course |
| 23:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, I fail to see why that's a bad thing. . . . |
| 23:59.14 | lcuk | i understand GeneralAntilles which is why ive grafted to get ttf fonts in (via sdl_ttf) |
| 23:59.20 | KotCzarny | ? |
| 23:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Or, really, why it's relevant for an ebook reader. |
| 23:59.27 | johnx | seriously, why would anyone create an ebook in PDF format...? |
| 23:59.30 | freelikegnu | and even the style of typeface, kerning, linespacing, etc have much to to with readability |
| 23:59.39 | madamn | most computer ebooks are in pdf format |
| 23:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | Because they look really nice on the desktop. ;) |
| 23:59.48 | KotCzarny | because i don't like to browse for my files every time i copy them into device |
| 23:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | Look at Tor's PDF releases. |
| 23:59.53 | madamn | 90% of my ebooks are in pdf |
| 23:59.53 | lcuk | scanned images - pdf is a convenient format for paginating scanned images |
