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| 00:04.40 | Navi | maemo image torrent? |
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| 00:39.50 | pupnik | now do I measure cache efficiency with oprofile? |
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| 00:42.43 | Proteous | I would do it later |
| 00:42.49 | Proteous | now is so... sudden |
| 00:44.28 | Proteous | /s/sudden/`echo /etc/passwd`/ |
| 00:44.40 | Proteous | heh |
| 00:45.31 | Proteous | /s/echo/echoo/ |
| 00:45.45 | Proteous | infobot!!! |
| 00:47.42 | Tama^2 | ¡¡¡ |
| 00:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | Rotation support is pretty cool. |
| 00:47.56 | Tama^2 | that was alt+1 |
| 00:47.56 | turbo | hmm? |
| 00:48.02 | Tama^2 | rotation? |
| 00:48.11 | Proteous | you and your upsidedown excitement |
| 00:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 00:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | If one could keep the taskbar down at the bottom . . . |
| 00:49.43 | Tama^2 | wow |
| 00:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, rendering is definitely a bit less painful when the hardware isn't drawing against the grain. |
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| 01:04.58 | pupnik | How can i determine at run-time whether a code change or compile time option (e.g. --funroll-loops) is causing more cache misses? |
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| 01:07.10 | pupnik | hmm |
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| 01:17.34 | pupnik | ahh opcontrol --list-events will list types of monitorable events |
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| 01:20.59 | pupnik | Tak: around? |
| 01:27.47 | pupnik | opcontrol -e=CPU_CYCLES:100000 -e=DCACHE_MISS:50000 for example will give you percent cache misses for various routines. Measuring these along with cpu usage |
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| 01:51.31 | dospod | hey |
| 01:51.51 | pupnik | huhu |
| 01:53.18 | dospod | i see someone started a stella port :] |
| 01:56.53 | dospod | if only some1 hildonized that gtk gnutella deb floatin around |
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| 01:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | dospod, why don't you stop complaining about it and install scratchbox? ;) |
| 02:00.28 | dospod | if i had space i might |
| 02:00.43 | dospod | but i have a small hd |
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| 02:03.59 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: !@(#*)&*!(^#$(*@$^)!^#_!^$# |
| 02:04.21 | Navi | :| |
| 02:05.26 | dospod | actually how much space do i need for 5 gig ubuntu vm |
| 02:06.13 | rm_you | 5g? |
| 02:06.14 | rm_you | >_> |
| 02:06.46 | dospod | 5 gig |
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| 02:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I can't parse that. |
| 02:08.58 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: 4 flashes today. |
| 02:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 02:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Why? |
| 02:09.09 | rm_you | i've spent about 6 hours trying to get my device working |
| 02:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | What'd you do to it? <_< |
| 02:09.34 | rm_you | and i've gotten it down to this: when i apt-get upgrade a clean install, it reboot-loops |
| 02:09.41 | rm_you | BUT |
| 02:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you do that? |
| 02:10.19 | rm_you | i figured out it's not QUITE a clean install... it's one of the repos pulled in by my "install a sane repo list" installfile |
| 02:10.25 | rm_you | which is only like 5 |
| 02:10.34 | rm_you | so i'm going to test to see which one has the broken packages |
| 02:10.43 | rm_you | and which particular package breaks it |
| 02:10.45 | GeneralAntilles | You pulling stuff off the scratchbox repo? |
| 02:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | Generally that's what causes the reboot loops. |
| 02:10.54 | rm_you | so theres at least one more reflash in my future... |
| 02:10.56 | rm_you | nope |
| 02:11.03 | rm_you | all stuff from gronmayer |
| 02:11.12 | rm_you | well, some of that might be, i dunno |
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| 02:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | Don't apt-get upgrade. |
| 02:11.47 | rm_you | essentially, extras + maemo-hackers + debfarm + andereson |
| 02:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | That usually causes problems. |
| 02:11.51 | rm_you | pleft |
| 02:11.56 | rm_you | i'm not going to live with that |
| 02:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's your own funeral. :P |
| 02:12.08 | rm_you | i'll blacklist packages if i have to |
| 02:12.37 | jott | yeah not using apt-get is not an option :p |
| 02:13.06 | rm_you | jott: yeah, in the same way that not taking a shower is an option |
| 02:13.20 | rm_you | it's technically an option, but not doing it makes me feel dirty >_> |
| 02:13.30 | GeneralAntilles | Don't use apt-get UPGRADE |
| 02:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | The rest of it is OK. :P |
| 02:13.37 | jott | GeneralAntilles: I WILL |
| 02:14.13 | jott | and i'll not do "apt-get -y upgrade" |
| 02:14.30 | rm_you | my opinion is this: any distro that doesn't function with apt-get upgrade is too broken for me to consider viable for use. |
| 02:14.31 | jott | i rely on the super cow powers :p |
| 02:14.48 | jott | rm_you: well atleast a debian based distro :) |
| 02:14.52 | rm_you | so i'm either going to fix the problem, or go do something else. |
| 02:15.06 | rm_you | IE, think about developing for OpenEmbedded again <_< |
| 02:15.27 | rm_you | it might not seem like it to "normal people", but for me, apt-get upgrade is a dealbreaker |
| 02:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:15.55 | pupnik | ITOS isn't a PC-linux distro |
| 02:15.59 | pupnik | different parameters |
| 02:16.30 | jott | i still see not any reason using the applicaion manager :) |
| 02:16.37 | jott | application |
| 02:16.40 | rm_you | it's just something i'm not willing to put up with. |
| 02:16.57 | rm_you | jott: i'll be six feet deep before i use a GUI package tool |
| 02:17.31 | Navi | The reason behind not using apt-get upgrade is due to package maintainers |
| 02:17.47 | jott | "apt-get -y upgrade" that is |
| 02:18.39 | lcuk | rm- does it work if you keep the default maemo repos with it? |
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| 02:25.06 | dospod | the os2008 app list is growing fast its making my dissapointment going away |
| 02:25.40 | Navi | it's making me come. |
| 02:26.12 | dospod | thats cool |
| 02:28.52 | pupnik | Tak, fceu modified oprofile sample run with dcache misses here http://pastebin.ca/917023 |
| 02:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, fwiw, I believe gronmayer has the scratchbox repos included. |
| 02:29.46 | rm_you | well, i'm going through and eliminating |
| 02:29.56 | rm_you | will have results in a sec |
| 02:30.46 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 02:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://cl1p.net/2A6C5996-B184-4CB5-8A3D-2C50617B20E4 |
| 02:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | Just ran upgrade on that this morning, and it worked fine. |
| 02:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | The Xomap with rotation support is in there. |
| 02:33.57 | rm_you | well fuck me. it's the rtcomm repo |
| 02:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | . . . |
| 02:34.40 | lcuk | might i ask why didnt you look there first - wasnt there dire warnings and people having reboot problems... |
| 02:34.51 | rm_you | supposedly fixed about 5 releases ago |
| 02:34.58 | lcuk | not with upgrading, but having it installed in general so it feels |
| 02:35.01 | rm_you | in fact, i had the most recent version in 50-2 |
| 02:35.13 | rm_you | but apparently with 50-3... |
| 02:35.15 | rm_you | >_> |
| 02:35.27 | rm_you | i know, i really should have figured |
| 02:35.32 | rm_you | i even left it for last in my testing >_> |
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| 02:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's disturbing what sort of troubles a stupid communication framework causes. |
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| 02:58.51 | pupnik | "miranda" |
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| 02:59.31 | firerock | @find dap |
| 02:59.39 | firerock | !help |
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| 03:08.14 | dospod | im excited for the youtube plugin |
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| 03:09.06 | jg | i'm trying to run maemo_sdk_install...sh. The first time i run it, I'm told that Scratchbox user's /dev is not properly set up, and that root must run sbox_cntrl start |
| 03:09.22 | jg | So I run sbox_cntl start as root |
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| 03:10.15 | jg | Then after I rerun maemo_sdk_install..sh, I'm told to close one of my other scratchbox sessions |
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| 03:10.46 | jg | Why would the install script think that I have a scratchbox session running? |
| 03:12.39 | jg | Do i need to login to scratchbox and set something up before running the sdk install script? |
| 03:13.19 | pupnik | hmm |
| 03:14.21 | jg | BTW, this is not a debian system (it's red hat), so I'm not sure at what point I can expect to hit glitches |
| 03:14.37 | pupnik | i wussed out and used the vmware image |
| 03:15.30 | jg | That was suggested to me yesterday.. and I got the feeling installing vmware would just add another layer of complexity on top of the steps I have to do anyway |
| 03:15.59 | jg | Or is the vmware image already setup w/ the SDK? |
| 03:16.32 | lcuk | yes, its basically ready to roll (if you can get along with eclipse, or you could add your fave |
| 03:16.53 | jg | I thought I would be installing debian from scratch on a vmware image |
| 03:17.11 | jg | ah, there's the gotcha.. I like emacs |
| 03:17.39 | lcuk | install it then |
| 03:17.47 | jg | guess i'll press forward on RH9 |
| 03:18.04 | jg | emacs is a large and complex install |
| 03:18.05 | lcuk | good luck |
| 03:18.27 | dospod | whats so great about emacs |
| 03:18.35 | jg | I've installed it on gentoo before (where everything is automated), and it took /days/ over a dsl connection, because of all the dependancies |
| 03:18.58 | jg | And I'm actually on a EVDO connection now, which is worse |
| 03:19.14 | jg | s/dsl/wisp/ |
| 03:19.43 | derf | dospod: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 03:19.59 | jg | I don't think any other editor comes close to the feature richness that has spoiled me on emacs. |
| 03:21.01 | pupnik | emacs isn't an editor, it's a planet |
| 03:21.07 | GeneralAntilles | s/feature richness/bloat/ |
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| 03:21.32 | pupnik | it's a place where you live :) |
| 03:21.46 | jg | lol, yeah, it's a planet |
| 03:22.06 | jg | And i'd feel crippled w/out it |
| 03:22.31 | elb | actually, I don't know of a single editor which is less bloated in *design* than emacs |
| 03:23.04 | elb | (core emacs functionality is admirably simple, particularly for its age) |
| 03:24.14 | jg | bloat implies useless frills. Emacs is big, but bloat isn't the right choice of words |
| 03:24.32 | dospod | haha a leader of finland in freeciv is linus |
| 03:25.27 | lcuk | has his empire developed computers yet? |
| 03:26.09 | dospod | nnope |
| 03:26.17 | derf | He cancelled our alliance, so I wiped him out before he got to battleships. |
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| 03:31.57 | pupnik | anybody want to implement a fullscreen 400x240 double/triple buffered sdl mode? |
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| 03:36.54 | jg | If I run "sbox_ctl start", is there any reason a scratchbox session would be running, even if I did not login? |
| 03:37.35 | pupnik | i just vaguely recall others reporting similar probs |
| 03:37.42 | jg | I ran 'sbox_ctl stop' followed by 'sbox_ctl start' to make sure it was running fresh. |
| 03:38.08 | jg | ok, that's good to know. |
| 03:38.45 | pupnik | is there a sbox entry in your init scripts? |
| 03:39.06 | jg | no, not unless the script automatically put it there. |
| 03:39.08 | pupnik | /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core stop |
| 03:39.12 | pupnik | /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core start |
| 03:39.40 | jg | The docs suggested it, but I won't do that until it becomes a hassle for me to rerun sbox_ctl |
| 03:39.52 | jg | ok, I'll try that |
| 03:40.29 | jg | no, there is nothing in init.d for that |
| 03:40.49 | pupnik | ok i have an older scratchbox here |
| 03:40.50 | jg | does scratchbox-core start simply kickoff sbox_ctl? |
| 03:42.01 | pupnik | Dunno. I think about scratchbox as little as possible. |
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| 03:42.35 | jg | I could try the sdk manual install.. i just wonder if whatever problem is breaking the script will re-emerge. |
| 03:43.41 | pupnik | yes. perhaps some tmp file got left around, or maybe there really is a scratchbox process running. |
| 03:44.20 | jg | but when I do a sbox_ctl stop, that should kill it |
| 03:44.29 | pupnik | and what does a ps say? |
| 03:45.05 | jg | I'm not sure what process I'm looking for. Even when it's running, nothing looks obvious as far as idenifying the process |
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| 03:47.37 | jg | I see a process called metacity.. I have no idea what that is |
| 03:48.07 | jg | but nothing w/ the string "scr" or "sbox" in the name, or anything resembling scratchbox. |
| 03:49.55 | jg | I see that sbox_ctl executes something called "register_misc_runner", but there is no such process running |
| 03:50.26 | jg | I wonder if starting scratchbox only changes the state of something, and doesn't actually run anything continuously. |
| 03:51.29 | pupnik | there is /scratchbox/login |
| 03:51.51 | jg | yeah, that exists, and I can run it and get a prompt |
| 03:52.23 | jg | I have no idea what to do at that prompt at this point, but I don't believe I need to do anything yet |
| 03:52.43 | jg | according to the docs, I just need to install the sdk now |
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| 04:12.27 | pupnik | heh @ today's xkcd |
| 04:20.30 | Navi | Haha, yeah. |
| 04:21.01 | Navi | gah |
| 04:21.14 | Navi | There really needs to be a way to lock the widgets in place |
| 04:21.20 | Navi | s/widgets/applets/ |
| 04:24.51 | leif__ | anyone know where I can find a picture or video of this being used? http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 04:25.22 | leif__ | I am curious what is meant by "The rotation works quite nice with hildon." |
| 04:25.36 | Navi | lies |
| 04:26.38 | leif__ | Navi, have you seen or tried it? |
| 04:26.45 | Navi | Nope |
| 04:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | It works quite well. |
| 04:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | Tasbar is a little messed up |
| 04:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | Some dialogs are too wide |
| 04:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | application menu is too wide |
| 04:27.59 | GeneralAntilles | but, with the statusbar applet, it's instant and easy. |
| 04:28.08 | GeneralAntilles | Make FBReader's rendering not go against the grain. |
| 04:29.24 | Navi | does modest check imap even if you don't have the client open? |
| 04:29.28 | leif__ | wow, is there a screenshot somewhere i can see? |
| 04:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | Hold on a sec, leif__. :P |
| 04:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, yes. |
| 04:30.32 | Navi | kk |
| 04:30.39 | leif__ | GeneralAntilles, thanks! |
| 04:31.33 | pupnik | the 4" screen is a portal to a magic world |
| 04:31.34 | leif__ | apt-get install screenshot-tool works too |
| 04:31.44 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, then I have to scp it afterward. |
| 04:32.45 | leif__ | i have screenshot-tool write directly to an nfs mount :) |
| 04:33.34 | Navi | Lol |
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| 04:35.24 | pupnik | uselessness is an uncomfortable state |
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| 04:36.03 | Jazic | Anyone here? |
| 04:36.14 | Navi | Jazic, no |
| 04:36.15 | pupnik | just us bots |
| 04:36.18 | Jazic | lol |
| 04:36.23 | Jazic | Thought so |
| 04:36.23 | GeneralAntilles | beep beep boop |
| 04:36.55 | Jazic | Sorry to be so blunt but I'm having an issue with my n810's app manager not wanting to download software from the list. |
| 04:37.03 | elb | I'll never understand the thought process leading to asking "anyone here?" in a channel with 255 occupants |
| 04:37.08 | elb | we get that in #pidgin all the time, too |
| 04:37.21 | Jazic | Well nobody was talking |
| 04:37.23 | elb | what sort of issue is that? |
| 04:37.44 | Jazic | Your asking me elb? |
| 04:38.08 | elb | yes |
| 04:38.15 | Jazic | I cannot get anything to install |
| 04:38.27 | elb | does it give an error, etc.? |
| 04:38.34 | Jazic | At the Downloading step it quickly jumps to "Downloading 'program' failed" |
| 04:38.34 | elb | what leads you to believe that nothing is installing? |
| 04:39.01 | Jazic | Say I download mnnotify |
| 04:39.04 | Jazic | mnotify rather |
| 04:39.16 | elb | do other network connections work? |
| 04:39.26 | elb | is it only a particular repository which fails? |
| 04:39.30 | Jazic | Yes I am able to browse the web |
| 04:40.02 | Jazic | No, I can go to maemeo.org and attempt to download stuff from there and I get the same issue when the link loads into app manager. |
| 04:40.38 | Jazic | I beleive I removed a program that enabled this... I was cleaning up some space and at the moment the only app I have installed is X-Terminal. |
| 04:40.48 | elb | HAH |
| 04:40.56 | Jazic | Ya... tell me 'bout it |
| 04:40.57 | elb | you quite possibly removed something important, yes |
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| 04:41.14 | Jazic | Thing is... I've tried reflashing and have had no luck repairing my problem. |
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| 04:41.53 | putterson | is it just me or would stellarium be amazing on an N810? |
| 04:41.55 | Jazic | Would anyone happen to know the list of basic programs I would need for getting my n810 back to stock? |
| 04:42.23 | dragorn | I've seen it when the app manager db corrupts |
| 04:42.41 | dragorn | for which there isn't really a fix, but reflashing would have fixed it, I'd think |
| 04:42.44 | Jazic | Well it happens when I try to download apps from the web |
| 04:42.48 | dragorn | google for apt db corruption |
| 04:43.03 | dragorn | that'll tell you the files to look at, I don't remember, it only happened once to me |
| 04:43.47 | Jazic | When I used the nokia software to 'flash' everything was the same basically. My theme had changed but all of the apps were as I left them. |
| 04:44.11 | dragorn | unless you went through the backup/restore process and restored all of them, that shouldn't be |
| 04:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/xomaprandr-left-applicationmenu.jpg http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/xomaprandr-left-fbreader.jpg http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/xomaprandr-statusbar.jpg |
| 04:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | leif__ |
| 04:46.33 | leif__ | wow |
| 04:46.34 | Jazic | Even still with a flash shouldn't it reset every program back to normal? |
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| 04:46.39 | leif__ | thanks, that is great! |
| 04:47.27 | Jazic | Oh well if I don't get it working tonight, I'm sending it back and getting a mylo or something. |
| 04:48.17 | leif__ | lol |
| 04:48.19 | dragorn | Jazic: If you did a backup and chose to restore that backup after reflashing, it will restore applications, and if one of them screwed your system up, well, there you go |
| 04:48.40 | dragorn | Jazic: If you DIDN'T choose to restore the backup, and everything is still there, it sounds like you didn't flash the whole system |
| 04:49.38 | Jazic | Well if I flash the whole system shouldn't it restore all of the default programs? |
| 04:49.47 | dragorn | this would be what I just said |
| 04:49.48 | Jazic | I have used the downloading update and the .bin update |
| 04:50.05 | Jazic | Both leave me with no basic apps |
| 04:51.00 | dragorn | Sounds like you did something wrong then, haven't heard anything like that. Make sure you're flashing the entire fiasco image, not just the kernel/initrd |
| 04:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | If it's not restored to how it was when you took it out of the box, then it wasn't flashed. |
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| 04:53.50 | Jazic | Well how do I flash it back to stock? |
| 04:54.09 | Jazic | I'm using the nokia software and downloaded .bin with the newest updates |
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| 04:54.33 | Jazic | Is there separate flashing software? |
| 04:55.02 | pupnik | rephrase that pls |
| 04:55.13 | dragorn | Yes, there is a dedicated flasher tool, it's on the maemo site, along with instructions on how to use it |
| 04:55.25 | Jazic | Ok thank you |
| 04:55.51 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ |
| 04:55.55 | dragorn | It'll flash from a PC over the USB cable |
| 04:56.08 | Jazic | Ya I just did another updating using nokia's software and all I have is: map, osso-xterm and tutorial-home-applet |
| 04:56.26 | dragorn | I really don't know what update you're doing |
| 04:57.09 | leif__ | Jazic, yes, those three are what show up under "installed apps" by default |
| 04:57.47 | rm_you | hrm... |
| 04:57.54 | rm_you | hildon-theme-cacher[1874]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gdk - gdk_screen_get_setting: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed |
| 04:57.57 | leif__ | GeneralAntilles, are there still only the three currently-running app buttons? |
| 04:58.12 | leif__ | rm_you, hildon-theme-cacher always does that. |
| 04:58.24 | rm_you | ok |
| 04:58.26 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, leif__. |
| 04:59.09 | leif__ | rm_you, i read about your earlier apt-get upgrade trouble |
| 04:59.41 | Jazic | Oh well its magically installing now lol |
| 04:59.53 | Jazic | all I did was update it for the 3rd time and it worked |
| 04:59.58 | leif__ | previously the instructions have been that the maemo sdk repo should not be upgraded from as it would break things. even though it has stuff in it that does work on the tablet, it was "unsupported" to use it (!) |
| 05:00.00 | Jazic | ... 3rd times a charm like they say |
| 05:00.06 | leif__ | i dunno if that has changed now... |
| 05:00.18 | rm_you | heh well |
| 05:00.24 | leif__ | pretty lame imho |
| 05:00.25 | rm_you | apparently the rtcomm update is broken AGAIN |
| 05:00.34 | rm_you | so that was what caused it |
| 05:01.42 | Tama^2 | I'm happy I choose not to install rtcomm beta (after it fsck'ed my tablet once) |
| 05:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I don't think that's an accurate statement. |
| 05:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | The apt-get upgrade method of updating rtcomm will break things. |
| 05:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | But the update isn't broken |
| 05:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | The beta update is done with a separate application. |
| 05:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | On top of app manager. |
| 05:02.51 | rm_you | >_> |
| 05:02.58 | Tama^2 | ah |
| 05:02.59 | Tama^2 | ok |
| 05:03.28 | Tama^2 | rm_you: it's all your fault for doing things differently :P |
| 05:03.48 | Tama^2 | think different they say, huh? ;) |
| 05:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | Mr. Mountains out of Molehills. :P |
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| 05:13.45 | rm_you | well |
| 05:14.04 | rm_you | as soon as i get my n800 unbricked, i can actually work on adv-backlight <_< |
| 05:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | Did you ever get the theme-specific icons figured out? |
| 05:18.13 | rm_you | not yet |
| 05:18.18 | rm_you | i havent nearly had time >_> |
| 05:18.26 | rm_you | i havent had time to breath in the last week |
| 05:18.30 | rm_you | *breathe |
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| 05:24.52 | rm_you | real life is pesky |
| 05:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | You should just become a shut-in and be done with it. |
| 05:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | You'll have all the time in the world then. :P |
| 05:26.59 | Tama^2 | mmm just 24 hours a day |
| 05:27.06 | rm_you | heh |
| 05:27.13 | Tama^2 | if you are on earth that it |
| 05:27.18 | rm_you | fail all my classes... have no social life (except IRC)... |
| 05:27.28 | rm_you | tempting... i'm well on the way to the first part, anyway :P |
| 05:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 05:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | I love having online-only classes. |
| 05:28.38 | GeneralAntilles | Only have to attend 3 lectures a week and 1 recitation. |
| 05:29.07 | rm_you | <_< |
| 05:29.12 | rm_you | you have a facebook? |
| 05:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately. |
| 05:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | Wish I could delete it. |
| 05:29.50 | rm_you | lol why |
| 05:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's morphed into something radically (and disturbingly) different from what it started out as. |
| 05:30.19 | rm_you | <_< |
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| 05:30.30 | GeneralAntilles | Filled with advertisers |
| 05:32.32 | Navi | I set up a facebook to check on one friend |
| 05:32.51 | Tama^2 | stalker |
| 05:32.52 | Navi | I was quite shocked to find out that you could only disable your account |
| 05:33.00 | rm_you | heh |
| 05:33.07 | Navi | it's like they anticipate you coming back |
| 05:33.11 | rm_you | well, i was going to say, i should add you if you do :P |
| 05:33.18 | rm_you | but apparently you're all "anti-facebook" >_> |
| 05:33.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 05:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | Only reason mine isn't disabled is because I occasionally have old friends contact me. |
| 05:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | I only check it about once a month. |
| 05:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | You're welcome to friend me, though. :P |
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| 05:42.41 | rm_you | hrm, that looks odd... (your screenshot with xrandr) |
| 05:42.57 | rm_you | oooo! |
| 05:43.02 | rm_you | how does GarnetVM work!?!?!? |
| 05:43.05 | rm_you | tell meeeee! |
| 05:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | Garnet? |
| 05:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't had that installed in months. |
| 05:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | Er, well, month.5 |
| 05:45.40 | rm_you | >_> |
| 05:45.46 | rm_you | install it! and report back |
| 05:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, Palm doesn't excite me at all. |
| 05:46.19 | pupnik | can we change refresh rate of ITOS X server / lcd controller? |
| 05:46.20 | rm_you | >_> |
| 05:51.44 | rm_you | i havent had a chance to work on my chainmail in like two weeks either >_> |
| 05:51.45 | rm_you | damn |
| 05:52.01 | Tama^2 | chainmail? |
| 05:52.06 | Tama^2 | O.o |
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| 05:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 05:52.19 | rm_you | i'm making a suit of chainmail for my penguin :P |
| 05:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | There be dragons? |
| 05:52.57 | rm_you | lets see... did you send me LCARS icons? |
| 05:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | Should've |
| 05:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, they should be in the bundled zip I gave you. |
| 05:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ |
| 05:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | Urg |
| 05:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons-lcars.zip |
| 05:53.48 | rm_you | i found the email |
| 05:54.23 | rm_you | i think that just has the original ones? |
| 05:54.32 | rm_you | i remember you mentioning LCARS ones though... |
| 05:54.38 | rm_you | oh |
| 05:54.39 | rm_you | right |
| 05:54.39 | GeneralAntilles | Click the link. |
| 05:54.42 | rm_you | different link, lol |
| 05:54.46 | rm_you | i should read more ;P |
| 05:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | They fit and work perfectly on my LCARS tablet. |
| 05:55.18 | Navi | Is bluetooth draining while not connected? |
| 05:55.33 | rm_you | you just replaced them? |
| 05:55.35 | Navi | on but not connected, that is |
| 05:56.02 | GeneralAntilles | Locally, yeah. |
| 05:56.10 | rm_you | heh |
| 05:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth should only be consuming very little power if it's on. |
| 05:56.58 | Navi | It kills the battery life of mah E70 when it's on :( |
| 05:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'd assuming you can reduce that further by turning off Discoverable, but not being entirely family with the standard. . . . |
| 05:57.17 | GeneralAntilles | s/family/familiar/ |
| 05:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | s/standard/english language/ |
| 05:57.39 | Navi | lol |
| 05:59.21 | rm_you | >_> |
| 05:59.25 | rm_you | so, suggestions? |
| 05:59.35 | rm_you | another package, advanced-backlight-lcars? |
| 05:59.58 | Navi | that's just lame :P |
| 06:00.00 | rm_you | the more stuff i stick in the original package, the bigger it gets... and for the large amount of people who don't have lcars... |
| 06:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be an option |
| 06:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | but it's a bit of a cop-out. :P |
| 06:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | What are we up to ~800KB? |
| 06:00.29 | rm_you | i'm thinking of all the people who would be like... wtf do i need lcars icons for if i dont have lcars? |
| 06:00.47 | rm_you | that's the entire point of the debian packaging system and its ability to have little sub-packages :P |
| 06:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | Are you just thinking rolling the icons into a separate package or an adv-backlight-lcars applet, too? |
| 06:01.07 | rm_you | if you want the lcars icons, you install that package |
| 06:01.14 | rm_you | just the icons |
| 06:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, yeah, then sure |
| 06:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | adv-backlight-icons-lcars ? |
| 06:01.27 | rm_you | yeah |
| 06:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | I thought you were talking about a separate hardcoded applet for LCARS, too. |
| 06:01.51 | rm_you | is there a way to tell what theme is active, i wonder? |
| 06:01.54 | rm_you | pfft, no |
| 06:01.59 | rm_you | THAT would be a cop-out :P |
| 06:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:02.11 | rm_you | and annoying to maintain, to boot :P |
| 06:02.22 | rm_you | i need to shove these in a repo >_> |
| 06:02.28 | rm_you | SOMEWHERE. dont care which one |
| 06:03.26 | rm_you | also, need to have someone else in this channel with some C memory management experience take a look at the revised (current) code |
| 06:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | Did you get access to Extras yet? |
| 06:03.39 | rm_you | there was some talk in the forms about a possible memory leak |
| 06:03.44 | rm_you | no :( no response even |
| 06:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 06:03.49 | GeneralAntilles | Lame. |
| 06:03.50 | rm_you | unless it managed to get spambinned |
| 06:03.51 | rm_you | >_> |
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| 06:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | There needs to be an easy way to get good software into Extras. |
| 06:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like the leak might've been with the new clock. |
| 06:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | I know he fixed a leak. |
| 06:04.39 | rm_you | ? |
| 06:04.41 | rm_you | ah |
| 06:04.53 | rm_you | and something about crashing the UI... |
| 06:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade: |
| 06:06.31 | GeneralAntilles | Er, OK <_< |
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| 06:10.57 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so, how did you say you made osso-statusbar-cpu look decent in lcars? |
| 06:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | Did I say? |
| 06:11.17 | rm_you | yes |
| 06:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | Prove it! |
| 06:11.48 | rm_you | i dont know where the logs are, or i would just read those instead of asking again :P |
| 06:12.05 | pupnik | they're rolling down th stairs! |
| 06:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | Grandma! |
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| 06:20.58 | Smak_ | http://repository.maemo.org seems to be down down down ooooooo. any mirrors? |
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| 06:34.42 | woodong50 | hi |
| 06:35.26 | Smak_ | howdy |
| 06:38.44 | Navi | Smak_, That repo looks up to me. |
| 06:39.10 | Proteous | looggsss loggggs they're rolly they're pully they're wood |
| 06:39.25 | Smak_ | yea, came up a few minutes ago |
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| 06:45.01 | rm_you | inz: you there? :P |
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| 06:57.25 | rm_you | :( |
| 06:57.26 | rm_you | inz: you're my (unofficial) debian packaging consultant >_> |
| 06:57.32 | rm_you | lol |
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| 07:11.00 | leif__ | rm_you, have you looked at the source to hildon-desktop? |
| 07:11.13 | rm_you | erm? |
| 07:11.18 | rm_you | no |
| 07:11.22 | leif__ | they use lots of themed icons there |
| 07:11.28 | rm_you | hrm |
| 07:11.33 | rm_you | i was browsing the gtk api |
| 07:11.39 | rm_you | and then looking around on google for examples |
| 07:12.07 | rm_you | looks like i need to load a GtkIconTheme and use that, which makes sense |
| 07:12.15 | rm_you | just figuring out the exact syntax |
| 07:12.53 | leif__ | grepping the hildon-desktop source for gtk_icon_theme_load_icon might help... |
| 07:15.37 | rm_you | yeah did that |
| 07:15.40 | rm_you | got some pointers |
| 07:15.58 | rm_you | will look into it. unfortunately, i have to wake up in 6 hours |
| 07:16.01 | rm_you | :( |
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| 08:32.45 | Smak_ | do I HAVE to use Xephyr? Whats wrong with Xorg.x11? |
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| 08:42.26 | Proteous | you will use Xephyr and you will like it too!!!! |
| 08:45.27 | Smak_ | I use xorg.x11 and kde and I like it just fine |
| 08:45.36 | Proteous | :P |
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| 08:48.51 | Smak_ | anyway, can you or anyone help me get though my display problem? my local display is set to :0 , however within scratchbox and using :0 I get connection refused by server when running af-sb-init.sh start |
| 08:50.28 | pupnik | erm |
| 08:50.47 | pupnik | you want to display a program running in scratchbox |
| 08:50.56 | pupnik | on your host PC (using xephyr?) |
| 08:51.03 | pupnik | Smak_: |
| 08:51.58 | pupnik | programs running within scratchbox can't write to display :0 |
| 08:52.15 | Smak_ | I am trying to start learning how to develop for the nokia 810, I have setup scratchbox on my linux desktop, and am following the 4.0 tutorial. |
| 08:52.18 | pupnik | at least i don't know how they can |
| 08:52.46 | Smak_ | I am not using xorg.x11 and kde not xephyr. |
| 08:52.59 | pupnik | then you are not following tutorial |
| 08:53.41 | Smak_ | For this purpose, we recommend Xephyr, but there are also alternative options. |
| 08:54.02 | Smak_ | Im using an alternative option |
| 08:54.10 | pupnik | ok maybe it can be done |
| 08:54.50 | Smak_ | I dont see why not. |
| 08:55.24 | pupnik | you know xhost command? |
| 08:56.14 | Smak_ | reading man xhost now |
| 08:57.04 | jku | Smak_, out of interest, why would you want to use xorg for this? |
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| 08:58.53 | Smak_ | well it is familar for one, and I need direct rendering support, + multiple displays. |
| 09:01.01 | Smak_ | I dont know anything about xephyr, I have never heard of the name until this project. |
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| 09:04.55 | Smak_ | haha, I got it working |
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| 09:46.56 | hrw | morning |
| 09:47.38 | hrw | pupnik: // comments are C++ not C |
| 09:48.05 | hrw | pupnik: but // comments in C code are allowed in one of newer ISO standards |
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| 09:48.39 | pupnik | thanks for the explanation :) |
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| 10:11.14 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:12.41 | hrw | T0b0tras: camera |
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| 10:21.52 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 10:38.24 | Spakman_ | hello b0unc3 |
| 10:39.39 | hrw | T0b0tras: no - it is simple app |
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| 11:12.24 | AD-N770 | do you know what causes "libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out" when I try to do a fresh install of maemo? |
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| 12:15.18 | pupnik_ | WOOHOO it built! |
| 12:17.09 | pupnik_ | wow and it doesn't crash holy buckets ! <bounce><bounce><bounce> |
| 12:17.14 | pupnik_ | :D |
| 12:17.35 | johnx | ok, you've got me. what *is* it? |
| 12:17.43 | johnx | :D |
| 12:18.05 | pupnik_ | i mashed up some linux code with some gp2x code |
| 12:18.17 | pupnik_ | and it was one hell of a ride |
| 12:18.50 | pupnik_ | picture frankenstein taking a first lurching step :) |
| 12:19.07 | johnx | heh...reminds me of a car I used to own |
| 12:20.00 | Smak_ | my enter key doesn't work :( |
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| 12:54.43 | Alterego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.50 | Alterego | oops ;) |
| 12:55.52 | Alterego | that would have been less embarrassing if it wasn't the wrong channel name :) |
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| 12:58.48 | solmumaha | Alterego: any progress with ruby-maemo? |
| 12:59.19 | Alterego | yes, but still now new packages I'm afraid. |
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| 12:59.49 | Alterego | I should really get my ass in gear. I've been being really lazy with it recently. |
| 13:00.19 | felipec | Alterego: what's gear? |
| 13:01.30 | johnx | he means he should get working on his project. :) |
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| 13:03.23 | Alterego | felipec, like sticking my car into drive ;) |
| 13:03.34 | Alterego | it's a metaphor :) |
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| 13:05.20 | felipec | lol |
| 13:06.02 | felipec | I don't know why I thouhgt it was a project |
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| 13:08.09 | Spakman_ | Alterego: what version of ruby-gnome2 did you use for ruby-maemo? 0.16.0 or a certain SVN checkout? |
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| 13:11.24 | BTobotras | Anybody tried example_camera? |
| 13:12.02 | Tak | pupnik_: hooray! |
| 13:12.24 | pupnik_ | :) |
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| 13:12.55 | pupnik_ | course, there's no input and no output. but it's emulatin! |
| 13:13.03 | Tak | is it hanging until the buffer's filled? |
| 13:13.04 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 13:13.26 | pupnik_ | nah it just makes screen go black |
| 13:13.37 | pupnik_ | but it's emulatin |
| 13:14.17 | Tak | hmm - I'm speaking of the fceu regression |
| 13:14.33 | pupnik_ | oh i have no idea why it pauses |
| 13:15.04 | pupnik_ | it pauses less frequently when i put a load on the cpu with 'top' |
| 13:15.13 | pupnik_ | so it seems to be getting 'ahead of itself' |
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| 13:18.57 | pupnik_ | Tak seen this? An emu coder got a Nokia http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17125 |
| 13:23.04 | Alterego | Spakman, 0.16.0 |
| 13:24.16 | Alterego | There's some features in svn that I need to evaluate though. So I might be moving to SVN. |
| 13:24.16 | Alterego | depending on the state of their test suite. |
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| 13:34.19 | Spakman_ | Alterego: thanks. I've had a couple of segfaults using non-Hildon widgets. Have you altered them at all or is it down to ruby-gnome2? |
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| 13:46.34 | Alterego | Spakman_ I've not touched them no. |
| 13:47.23 | Alterego | the majoriy of segfaults I've had, mind you, have been missuse but unclear docs. |
| 13:47.40 | Alterego | oh, and unusual garbage collection. |
| 13:47.56 | K-Fox | bluetooth headset is worked only kagu ? |
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| 13:51.44 | ltakkine | is there a solution for UI bug 2291? I just installed maemo 2.2 and having this problem |
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| 13:52.43 | Zhiva | hey all. I have a little question, not directly aimed at development for the Tablets, but maybe someone can aim me in the right direction: I got a n770 and read somewhere that it is possible to use a standard SD-card without any mods. Anyone know anything about this? |
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| 13:55.27 | hrw | Zhiva: rs-mmc slot in 770 (not n770) is too thin for normal sd cards |
| 13:57.05 | Zhiva | I get the card to fit in the n770, but the system doesn't find the card |
| 13:57.29 | glass | it doesn't support sd |
| 13:57.32 | glass | plain and simple |
| 13:57.59 | Zhiva | ok then, back to modding it internaly :) |
| 14:02.00 | hugolp | anyone here got N800 SIP client to work with asterisk? |
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| 14:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of people. |
| 14:05.13 | ltakkine | bug 2291: Maemo UI can't start within Scratchbox. Does anyone know what causes this? |
| 14:06.04 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: the default N800 OS2008 SIP client is not working for me. Is there any specific configuration needed? |
| 14:06.24 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno. |
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| 14:07.28 | hugolp | ok |
| 14:12.24 | Spakman_ | Alterego: cheers. I'll have a look at reworking some of my code. |
| 14:14.04 | Spakman_ | Alterego: also, I've noticed that when I prepend or append things to a ListStore, my TreeView selection event method is called. It's not called when I run the same code on my desktop. Do you know if that's something to do with GTK on Maemo? |
| 14:18.43 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: when *do* you sleep!? >_< |
| 14:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | Way too early yesterday afternoon. |
| 14:19.42 | Juhaz | glass, they're electrically compatible, so yes, it does. |
| 14:21.07 | glass | Juhaz: someone written support? |
| 14:21.22 | glass | hmmh |
| 14:22.44 | Juhaz | yes, the kernel modules were backported from n800, even sdhc works. |
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| 14:22.48 | cbx33 | hi all.... |
| 14:22.53 | cbx33 | go a quick question |
| 14:23.15 | cbx33 | can any app get hold of the camera data from the n800/n810? |
| 14:23.29 | rm_you | yes |
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| 14:23.39 | cbx33 | rm_you: awesome |
| 14:23.47 | cbx33 | how |
| 14:23.49 | rm_you | there is both a camera app and a video app |
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| 14:24.07 | rm_you | i dont remember what they're called ATM, but they are on the ITT forum in the "Apps" section |
| 14:24.09 | cbx33 | rm_you: yeh, but I wanna write an app |
| 14:24.12 | rm_you | might have to go back a page or two |
| 14:24.16 | rm_you | look at the source for those :P |
| 14:24.18 | cbx33 | I need to know how to interface with it |
| 14:24.21 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 14:24.21 | cbx33 | ko |
| 14:24.23 | wnd | unfortunately that doesn't mean the camera doesn't suck ;-) |
| 14:24.31 | rm_you | lol |
| 14:24.31 | rm_you | h8 |
| 14:24.35 | rm_you | ack! late! |
| 14:25.11 | wnd | cbx33, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/ |
| 14:25.36 | cbx33 | thanks wnd |
| 14:26.07 | wnd | also see http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_use_camera_api.html |
| 14:26.21 | cbx33 | thats what I wanted really |
| 14:26.22 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 14:27.30 | wnd | iirc that example doesn't work as-is, I think I had to change something to make it run without segfaulting at start-up |
| 14:27.38 | cbx33 | hahah |
| 14:27.39 | cbx33 | ok |
| 14:27.53 | cbx33 | if you can find what you did that'd be cool |
| 14:28.11 | wnd | looks like I added the following attribute for gst_caps_new_simple(): '"framerate", GST_TYPE_FRACTION, 25, 1,' |
| 14:28.28 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 14:28.59 | wnd | hmm |
| 14:29.15 | wnd | now that I look at the code there are two calls to gst_caps_new_simple() |
| 14:29.22 | cbx33 | oh |
| 14:30.01 | wnd | anyway I think the magic was either to set framerate explicitely everywhere or remove the framerate definition for good |
| 14:30.17 | cbx33 | ok |
| 14:30.23 | cbx33 | does the https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_camera.c |
| 14:30.26 | cbx33 | code work? |
| 14:30.35 | wnd | I think that's the one I had to modify |
| 14:30.42 | cbx33 | oh |
| 14:30.44 | cbx33 | :( |
| 14:30.46 | wnd | but try it out first, I could remember wrong |
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| 14:32.05 | wnd | there's one thing worth mentioning though. the example application is quite slow. that camera-application at garage has significantly better framerate so if you can find the sources, you'd probably better go with it instead. I would also be interested in the source. :-) |
| 14:32.18 | cbx33 | ok |
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| 14:33.51 | cbx33 | wnd isn't it written by Nokia? |
| 14:33.59 | cbx33 | in which case is the source actually getable? |
| 14:34.25 | cbx33 | :( |
| 14:34.31 | wnd | I don't know, I haven't really looked into it |
| 14:34.37 | glass | Juhaz: thats very nice |
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| 15:17.25 | boolean | morning |
| 15:17.57 | Navi_ | morning |
| 15:17.59 | boolean | i have noticed something interesting ... the application manager put one of my SD cards into ro mode after an install failure |
| 15:18.29 | boolean | does the application have some form of file system validation before it proceeds with the install ? |
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| 15:23.01 | sp3000 | hi |
| 15:23.05 | sp3000 | I suck at gtk |
| 15:23.12 | sp3000 | how do I get at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkToolButton.html#GtkToolButton--label |
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| 15:23.58 | sp3000 | I can't seem to find a sane doc on how these "properties" are accessed in C |
| 15:24.31 | czr | sp3000, g_object_get? |
| 15:24.50 | derf | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/gobject-The-Base-Object-Type.html#g-object-get |
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| 15:30.24 | sp3000 | thanks |
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| 15:30.58 | sp3000 | now to figure out why label-widget doesn't turn out to be a widget |
| 15:33.31 | BTobotras | bug? :) |
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| 17:15.45 | GnutoN810 | sera |
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| 17:19.40 | rm_you | Make a home applet that displays information from the temp sensor (in the n800 and the n810) and the light sensor (n810 only) :) |
| 17:19.48 | rm_you | sample code for getting those values is posted somewhere on ITT |
| 17:20.19 | rm_you | BTobotras: and then release the source so I can add a perlin noise based planet display to the center, and make it look awesome in LCARS :P |
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| 17:21.35 | BTobotras | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ycIjt-ykWRo |
| 17:22.28 | derf | BTobotras: You should devise a way of turning matter into energy and back again via an Ultra-Mobile computer running Windows Vista. |
| 17:23.30 | derf | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/events/aa740358.aspx#isvgal |
| 17:24.31 | rm_you | ok, that is a neat piano thing |
| 17:24.55 | rm_you | lack of multitouch on n800 makes it kind of... not feasible though :/ |
| 17:25.01 | rm_you | which is sad |
| 17:25.39 | BTobotras | oh |
| 17:25.41 | rm_you | i like the pocketguitar too :P |
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| 17:27.13 | ac7ss | anybody know how to set sound volumes in the shell? Video player is so much louder than anything else. |
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| 17:33.53 | BTobotras | ac7ss: aumix? |
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| 17:37.24 | ac7ss | where can I find that? |
| 17:38.29 | BTobotras | ac7ss: apt-get install aumix-gtk? |
| 17:40.28 | BTobotras | ac7ss: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=128 |
| 17:40.38 | BTobotras | ac7ss: (click it from device' browser) |
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| 17:45.26 | zeenix | mallum: yo |
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| 17:46.10 | zeenix | mallum: i saw you taking a picture in my talk, any way i can get it :) |
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| 17:46.43 | ac7ss | what's the repository? |
| 17:48.04 | BTobotras | ac7ss: source of packages. |
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| 17:49.06 | ac7ss | no, the name of the repo. (Not what is a repository) |
| 17:50.24 | ac7ss | the url you gave me was bad. |
| 17:50.48 | BTobotras | ac7ss: www.gronmayer.com/it -- grep for aumix |
| 17:52.31 | BTobotras | ac7ss: oops, I've assumed you run OS2008 |
| 17:53.14 | BTobotras | ac7ss: or better grep for elkins |
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| 17:54.11 | ac7ss | helps if I spell it right. |
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| 18:21.48 | pope523__ | Is there a program that will play MPEG2 files on OS2008? |
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| 18:40.52 | pope523__ | Is there a program that will play MPEG2 files on OS2008? |
| 18:43.46 | felipec | pope523__: the Media Player doesn't? |
| 18:43.55 | pope523__ | felipec: Nope |
| 18:44.14 | pope523__ | felipec: Nor does Canola |
| 18:44.44 | felipec | pope523__: you need to make sure that you have the mpeg2dec GStreamer element |
| 18:45.05 | felipec | pope523__: if it's not there maybe you can fill a bug report |
| 18:45.06 | pope523__ | How can I check that |
| 18:45.22 | felipec | pope523__: install gst-tools and run gst-inspect-0.10 mpeg2dec |
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| 18:46.45 | pope523__ | Where do I get gst-tools? I can't find it. |
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| 18:49.09 | felipec | pope523__: I don't know =/ should be there |
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| 18:57.13 | rghosh | pope_523__: "apt-get-install gst-tools" ? |
| 18:58.34 | rghosh | pope_523__: sorry that's "apt-get-install gstreamer0.10-tools" |
| 18:58.36 | pope523__ | rghosh: Tried that, can't find package |
| 18:58.46 | rghosh | sorry, wrong package name, try the second one |
| 18:59.04 | pope523__ | "Package gstreamer0.10-tools is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 18:59.23 | rghosh | do "dpkg -l gst*" |
| 18:59.37 | rghosh | and give me the line that mentions the package gstreamer0.10-tools |
| 18:59.54 | pope523__ | No packages found matching gst |
| 19:00.24 | rghosh | hmm lemme thnik |
| 19:00.56 | MangoFusion | probably in another catalog / repository |
| 19:01.03 | rghosh | right |
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| 19:01.10 | rghosh | lemme find the repo for that package |
| 19:02.02 | konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:02.24 | rghosh | pope523__: what are the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 19:03.22 | pope523__ | When I try to cat that file, it gives me nothing, but I've used apt-get to install packages before |
| 19:04.25 | rghosh | you are using chinook right? |
| 19:04.33 | pope523__ | Yes |
| 19:05.21 | rghosh | my file looks like this: |
| 19:05.21 | rghosh | deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free |
| 19:05.21 | rghosh | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free |
| 19:05.21 | rghosh | deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian chinook maemo |
| 19:05.47 | rghosh | you can put that stuff in the file, update apt, then try again |
| 19:06.13 | pope523__ | There are a whole bunch of repositories listed in the Applications Manager |
| 19:06.22 | pope523__ | Isn't that just a front end for apt-get? |
| 19:06.34 | MangoFusion | yes |
| 19:07.06 | rghosh | in your application manager, can you go to tools >> application catalog? |
| 19:07.28 | rghosh | edit maemo extras chinook, and uncheck disabled if it's enabled? |
| 19:07.43 | rghosh | as well as maemo extras itself |
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| 19:08.14 | pope523__ | There are 8 entries in the application catalog |
| 19:08.26 | rghosh | do you see the 2 i mentioned? |
| 19:08.54 | pope523__ | Yes, and neither are disabled |
| 19:09.13 | rghosh | ok, i would edit the sources.list file if i were you |
| 19:09.20 | rghosh | that's the only path i can think of |
| 19:10.02 | pope523__ | I tried adding repositories by editting the sources.list file last night and it didn't work |
| 19:10.11 | rghosh | did you update apt after doing so? |
| 19:10.14 | pope523__ | Yes |
| 19:10.19 | pope523__ | It failed to update |
| 19:11.11 | rghosh | ok maybe the servers were down, you can try it again now if you wish |
| 19:11.42 | rghosh | here is the package info in case it helps: |
| 19:11.42 | rghosh | aikon2:~# apt-cache showpkg gstreamer0.10-tools |
| 19:11.42 | rghosh | Package: gstreamer0.10-tools |
| 19:11.42 | rghosh | Versions: |
| 19:11.42 | rghosh | 0.10.13-0osso11(/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_chinook_free_binary-armel_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
| 19:11.44 | rghosh | Reverse Depends: |
| 19:11.46 | rghosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.48 | rghosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.50 | rghosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.52 | rghosh | Dependencies: |
| 19:11.54 | rghosh | 0.10.13-0osso11 - libc6 (2 2.5.0-1) libglib2.0-0 (2 2.12.12-1osso3) libgstreamer0.10-0 (2 0.10.9) libxml2 (0 (null)) gstreamer0.10-plugins-base (0 (null)) |
| 19:11.57 | rghosh | Provides: |
| 19:11.59 | rghosh | 0.10.13-0osso11 - |
| 19:12.01 | rghosh | Reverse Provides: |
| 19:12.03 | rghosh | aikon2:~# |
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| 19:12.47 | Tak | pastebin |
| 19:13.24 | rghosh | sorry, i was looking for that but couldn't find it |
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| 19:16.13 | lcuk | yer, use pastebin, the internet tubes will get clogged and people will blame you |
| 19:16.41 | rghosh | got it, sorry for that |
| 19:17.06 | lcuk | im joking, i personally dont have a problem posting huge essays when the chan is quiet |
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| 19:31.33 | jsheldon | greetings, does anyone know if microb can be built for x86? |
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| 19:40.28 | rghosh | jsheldon: this seems to suggest "yes": http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions |
| 19:41.02 | rghosh | shit, wrong browser |
| 19:41.04 | rghosh | nevermind |
| 19:41.26 | jsheldon | rghosh: ah, nuts, no problem, thanks for looking |
| 19:42.06 | rghosh | actually, it might afterall, i'm checking out the MicroB repo now and among the contents: |
| 19:42.07 | rghosh | A browser/extensions/maemo-google-gears/trunk/gears/third_party/gecko_sdk/1.9/linux-maemo/i386/include/nsStaticNameTable.h |
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| 19:42.28 | rghosh | and a bunch of others in that dir, don't really know though |
| 19:43.37 | rghosh | i don't know why it wouldn't, though... http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html says it builds on non-debian environments so it isn't maemo-specific |
| 19:43.47 | jsheldon | rghosh: cool, I'm trying #1 from the instructions here: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
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| 19:43.58 | jsheldon | ah good timing :) |
| 19:44.41 | jsheldon | I had tried the script in the second part first, that died rather sadly |
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| 20:05.18 | metis | youtube not work, wants some package to us? |
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| 20:08.11 | rghosh | jsheldon: i ran build_non_deb.sh fine on my hateful FC6 installation. (had to install sharutils and quilt first) |
| 20:08.58 | jsheldon | rghosh: interesting, if I hit a dead end with debian package utils I'll dig into that further, thanks! |
| 20:09.15 | rghosh | np |
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| 20:48.36 | tubtub | hi folks. Anyone got a link to fixing my internal memory card on the n810? |
| 20:49.05 | Tak | fixing? |
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| 20:49.23 | tubtub | lol, well I no longer have it recognised upon booting |
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| 20:50.54 | lcuk | should the osso_rss_feed_reader be operational if i dont have rss widget enabled ? |
| 20:51.06 | lcuk | if so, wtf is it there for? |
| 20:51.21 | lcuk | (and can i just wipe it out) |
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| 21:04.19 | maddler | tubtub: tried formatting it from the control panel/memory applet? |
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| 21:11.37 | tubtub | maddler: Thanks but fixed it. I had recompiled the kernel and bodged it. Left something out and it didnt have the right nodes under /dev. recompiled stock kernel and all sorted now |
| 21:14.02 | lcuk | another linux question: when i run find (in this case: find / -iname 'sdl*' ) why does it list a number of folders along its search which are permission denied and how do i prevent it from listing those broken links (which distract the eye and scroll for ages even if nothing is found |
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| 21:17.52 | derf | lcuk: It lists folders where permission was denied because... permission was denied. It's telling you it couldn't search in there. |
| 21:18.20 | derf | You can get rid of error messages by adding a 2> /dev/null to the end of the command (assuming you're using bash or an equivalent shell). |
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| 21:19.44 | lcuk | excellent, i will try it :) i realise it might not get everywhere but when i am just trying to find something which i know applications can reach (the compiler) which isn't root then by definition, I should be able to as well. thanks for info, it works btw. |
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| 21:39.08 | Navi | Anyone run the GPE Calendar widget? |
| 21:39.17 | Navi | It doesn't work for me. |
| 21:39.43 | Tama^2 | Hola |
| 21:39.50 | Tama^2 | Hi Navi |
| 21:39.57 | Navi | hai |
| 21:40.52 | _Shurik_ | I couldn't get it to run either |
| 21:40.59 | _Shurik_ | it's missing some libraries, I didn't have time to look |
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| 21:42.10 | Navi | Aw |
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| 22:29.39 | lcuk | if i was wanting to use sdl_ttf inside an app how do i get it installed and available within scratchbox? |
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| 22:30.32 | jku | lcuk, apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0-dev |
| 22:32.28 | lcuk | w000t, thank you. it failed the first time, but i did apt-get update and then everything went smoothly |
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| 22:41.54 | livinded | is the application used http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/nokia/ safe to use in order to gain root privs, or is there a better way to do it |
| 22:45.56 | johnx | yes, becomeroot is safe |
| 22:46.13 | magicrobotmonkey | i just ssh root@localhost |
| 22:46.36 | johnx | however, I suggest you don't just add *all* the repositories on gronmayer.com/it ... |
| 22:47.21 | jku | that is just stupid advice... |
| 22:47.48 | livinded | johnx: ya, I'm hesitant about that |
| 22:49.09 | johnx | anyone can add a repository listing to gronmayer and repositories for bora can potentially cause real conflicts when installed on chinook (chinook = os2008) |
| 22:49.43 | jku | anyone can also add a repository that installs a keylogger |
| 22:50.02 | livinded | why keyloggers when you can install rootkits? |
| 22:50.33 | livinded | which repos are safe to use and mix? |
| 22:51.23 | jku | someone should really make a package named "canola3" that changes desktop background to goatse and add the repository to gronmayer ... |
| 22:52.02 | livinded | I wouldn't mind doing that but I don't want to be shunned by the community after being caught |
| 22:52.07 | jku | :) |
| 22:52.11 | acydlord | did i just walk in on the middle of another unmanaged repos conversation? |
| 22:52.28 | johnx | no, this is just the start of it |
| 22:52.35 | johnx | you still have time to join in :P |
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| 22:53.07 | jku | livinded: Someone in ubuntu circles did exactly that |
| 22:53.23 | jku | people were outraged even though it was his personal repo |
| 22:53.48 | livinded | I have reason enough to hate ubuntu, I don't need any more |
| 22:53.57 | johnx | two wrongs don't make a right |
| 22:54.32 | jku | johnx, his own personal repo that people started to misuse... |
| 22:54.44 | johnx | ah, ok...now it becomes clearer |
| 22:55.04 | johnx | though why he made it public if he didn't want people to use it... |
| 22:55.18 | jku | sure |
| 22:56.10 | johnx | still, abusing the community's trust doesn't seem like the right way to go about proving something |
| 22:57.14 | acydlord | not to mention some of us are in the security community |
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| 22:58.33 | jott | well he made the point that adding arbitrary repositories is a bad idea .. ;) |
| 22:58.38 | acydlord | it would create quite a bit of fallout on whoever would do that |
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| 22:59.50 | jku | acydlord, absolutely. and people don't really learn that well from humiliation |
| 23:00.52 | livinded | so make it actually take there information, they do learn from getting owned |
| 23:01.04 | livinded | or they just leave because they are afraid |
| 23:01.32 | jku | hopefully not the intended result? |
| 23:01.36 | johnx | well, it's like telling your neighbor he shouldn't leave his car doors unlocked and when he continues to do so, you take some rotten vegetables and put it under his seat... |
| 23:01.40 | rafl | is there a searchable maemo-developers archive? |
| 23:02.00 | livinded | or like getting people to rm -rf their root dir |
| 23:02.01 | jott | afaik the package he injected was not malicious just a "proof of concept" .. but given the blind trust of many users a malicious package could easily be distributed.. |
| 23:02.09 | johnx | rafl, yes |
| 23:02.16 | livinded | they quickly learn not to do it again and hopefully not to ask stupid questions |
| 23:02.44 | rafl | johnx: where? |
| 23:03.06 | johnx | rafl, here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/ |
| 23:03.10 | johnx | had to dig up the link :) |
| 23:03.16 | jku | rafl, or use google with "site:lists.maemo.org" |
| 23:03.49 | jku | livinded, do you have some evidence that people learn like that? |
| 23:04.09 | livinded | jku: I have irc logs |
| 23:04.26 | acydlord | i've gotten someone twice in one day with rm -rf * |
| 23:04.33 | livinded | they either learn or they don't come back |
| 23:04.37 | rafl | thanks |
| 23:04.43 | livinded | either way there is a positive outcome |
| 23:04.56 | jku | livinded, that's your opinion |
| 23:05.03 | johnx | it's not our responsibility to badger people into improving their security...and I don't think fostering an environment of paranoia and mistrust is a good thing... |
| 23:05.58 | acydlord | i've only done it when the person is extremely obnoxious and unwilling to learn |
| 23:06.27 | livinded | and I can also say that I'm proof that it works, years ago I fork bombed my box after asking a stupid question in an irc channel |
| 23:06.27 | acydlord | generally in this sort of community education and cooperation is how it goes |
| 23:07.10 | acydlord | always research to your fullest before asking a question :) |
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| 23:08.23 | jott | well using untrusted repositories may break things or even worse bear some backdoored packages in it - not that i know of this ever happenend but people tend to be incautious.. |
| 23:09.07 | acydlord | anyone else been having issues with the latest n810 image being corrupted? |
| 23:09.30 | livinded | acydlord: nope, I just flashed mine |
| 23:10.06 | acydlord | got corrupts twice with the flasher in winders, downloaded the image, and its still telling me the image is corrupt |
| 23:10.17 | acydlord | i think its a windows issue =x |
| 23:10.38 | johnx | is the file not downloading cleanly? they posted md5sums right? |
| 23:10.43 | acydlord | there we go, working from the flasher this time |
| 23:10.44 | jott | not that i agree with the method of this particular guy but in the end it would be better to only use centralized repositories that can be considered "trustworthy" |
| 23:11.02 | jott | and the maemo repository situation *is* a mess |
| 23:11.22 | acydlord | that it is |
| 23:11.30 | johnx | I think they're actually working on getting stuff into extras without as much fuss... |
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| 23:11.45 | johnx | I definitely see mumblings on the mailing list in that direction... |
| 23:11.52 | acydlord | oops, i forgot to back up |
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| 23:12.06 | Navi | Sweet |
| 23:12.12 | Navi | jott++ |
| 23:12.23 | jott | yeah.. well autobuilder or alike would be the best solution :) |
| 23:13.00 | johnx | "don't make good an enemy of perfect..." :P |
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| 23:14.21 | Navi | where can I find python-hildon :| |
| 23:14.33 | rm_you | they still haven't even responded about my application to extras >_> |
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| 23:14.48 | johnx | Navi, in "Extras" maybe? |
| 23:14.56 | johnx | doesn't python2.5-runtime depend on it? |
| 23:15.09 | jott | Navi: python2.5-hildon -> http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages |
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| 23:15.35 | Navi | I have that repo :| |
| 23:15.48 | johnx | python2.5-hildon is what you're looking for... |
| 23:15.48 | Navi | it's not showing up on my application list |
| 23:15.51 | jott | it's python2.5-hildon not python-hildon :) |
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| 23:16.00 | Navi | yeah, I'm searching for _just_ python |
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| 23:16.06 | jott | with app manager? |
| 23:16.10 | Navi | yes |
| 23:16.20 | johnx | rm_you, hi. :) I think new package inclusion guidelines are a work in progress so far |
| 23:16.25 | jott | hmm i guess you need red pill or anyother crap mode for that ;) |
| 23:16.28 | rm_you | heh yeah |
| 23:16.32 | Navi | :/ |
| 23:16.38 | johnx | Navi, you don't need red pill |
| 23:17.05 | Navi | k |
| 23:17.05 | johnx | scroll down to P and see if python is there |
| 23:17.05 | jott | or just use apt-get ;) |
| 23:17.05 | Navi | k |
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| 23:17.05 | rm_you | the app manager still seems very useless >_> |
| 23:17.05 | rm_you | i've never gotten it to let me install anything |
| 23:17.09 | johnx | wow |
| 23:17.19 | rm_you | or found anything via its interface |
| 23:17.29 | rm_you | most of the time it throws errors on updating packages... |
| 23:17.34 | rm_you | err |
| 23:17.34 | Navi | This device is a trick |
| 23:17.36 | rm_you | updating repos |
| 23:17.39 | havegar | someone knows how to use gtkmozembed in hildon? |
| 23:17.45 | rm_you | which works fine with apt-get update |
| 23:17.49 | Navi | You buy the device, and then you have to buy everything that should come with it |
| 23:17.55 | rm_you | or it freezes on updating |
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| 23:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, sounds highly a-typical. |
| 23:18.27 | johnx | Navi, hmm? like what? SD cards? |
| 23:18.42 | lcuk | mapping? |
| 23:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | I've been using the app manager for 2 years without major trouble. |
| 23:18.50 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, rm_you is actually unlucky enough with handheld linux devices that I believe him... |
| 23:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:19.23 | lcuk | rm_you, probably got bad repo listed, just cull the lot apart from the 2 base ones. |
| 23:19.28 | Navi | johnx, SD cards, screen protector, casing, keyboard, USB Host |
| 23:19.45 | rm_you | lcuk: apt-get update throws two GPG errors, that's all i can figure |
| 23:19.54 | rm_you | but it totally breaks the process in the app manager when i try |
| 23:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | The GPG errors are non-fatal. |
| 23:20.15 | lcuk | i thought you had that licked last night with it being that media app? |
| 23:20.15 | johnx | ah...one of those tricks where Nokia gets you to buy stuff from companies totally unrelated to them? :P I see it now...it's all a conspiracy |
| 23:20.18 | rm_you | that's what i thought... but <_< |
| 23:20.27 | rm_you | lcuk: that was the reboot-loop issue |
| 23:20.33 | rm_you | rtcomm-beta is broken again apparently :( |
| 23:20.39 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:20.40 | acydlord | you know i've seen a lot of people complan about having to buy cases, sd cards, screen protectors |
| 23:20.51 | acydlord | what other devices come with all of tis? |
| 23:20.52 | rm_you | now i'm just talking about the app manager misbehaving |
| 23:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | Updating to rtcomm-beta with apt-get upgrade is broken. |
| 23:21.01 | jott | dpkg --purge hildon-application-manager ;> |
| 23:21.08 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: worked before :P but yes, i know that doesnt necessarily mean anything |
| 23:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, how is that any different from any other mobile device? :P |
| 23:21.10 | acydlord | my n810 came with 2 stylii, a slip case, and a screen wipe |
| 23:21.10 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:21.14 | jott | GeneralAntilles: WORKSFORME :P |
| 23:21.30 | acydlord | my centro came with a stylus and a charger |
| 23:21.59 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, my phones don't need 'em :3 |
| 23:22.12 | GeneralAntilles | Phones aren't mobile computers. |
| 23:22.18 | Navi | Sure they are |
| 23:22.38 | johnx | my N800 came with a power adapter and all I bought for it was a 2GB SD card... |
| 23:22.39 | smackpotato | where can i find find |
| 23:22.45 | acydlord | i've never seen any mobile device that comes with goodies |
| 23:23.12 | acydlord | i was actually excited to see the micro fiber screen wipe |
| 23:23.16 | Navi | That's why you steal 'em. Haggle the sellers! |
| 23:23.26 | lcuk | acydlord, you got a wipe :O |
| 23:23.40 | rm_you | poor johnx, didn't even get a stylus >_> |
| 23:23.41 | acydlord | well if you buy the n810 at a sprint store they will throw in a travel charger and usb headset if you haggle |
| 23:23.45 | johnx | or buy a used one as a "package deal" on ebay... |
| 23:23.47 | Navi | I use my brother's DS wipe |
| 23:23.49 | Navi | it rocks |
| 23:24.03 | rm_you | i use a screenwipe costco gave me for free with a pair of glasses >_> |
| 23:24.04 | Navi | soft and oil removey |
| 23:24.11 | acydlord | yeah, i was shocked mine had a screen wipe |
| 23:24.13 | johnx | yeah, glasses wipes work great |
| 23:24.32 | lcuk | i havent even attempted to clean mine in a few days |
| 23:24.40 | lcuk | it doesnt get "dirty" tho |
| 23:24.57 | acydlord | mine doesnt either |
| 23:25.03 | acydlord | i use the wipe on my ds and my centro |
| 23:25.10 | Navi | I'm extremely anal, gotta use the stylus |
| 23:25.12 | lcuk | i sometimes have to blow bits off it |
| 23:25.27 | johnx | Navi, that will last about 2 weeks |
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| 23:25.34 | acydlord | even when i finger type mine doesnt get dirty per se |
| 23:25.46 | acydlord | i'll notice an odd fingerprint or 2 when the screen is off |
| 23:25.47 | lcuk | touching with fingers on this device is very poor |
| 23:25.56 | johnx | thumb typing is just too much faster than stylus typing for you to resist |
| 23:25.58 | lcuk | the ui is designed around the stylus |
| 23:26.05 | lcuk | apart from kb |
| 23:26.16 | Navi | johnx, I've carried a DS for months, still stylusing, even on Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney |
| 23:26.19 | johnx | I actually haven't used a stylus with mine much at all since march or so... |
| 23:26.32 | lcuk | do you use a nail? |
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| 23:26.42 | jott | hmm i barely use he stylus |
| 23:26.43 | jott | the |
| 23:26.45 | johnx | sometimes...usually I use my fingernails though :) |
| 23:26.50 | acydlord | i rarely ever use the stylus |
| 23:27.00 | acydlord | unless i need to scroll in the browser |
| 23:27.06 | johnx | O_o |
| 23:27.07 | jott | sometimes i use my wacom penpartner pen ;) |
| 23:27.18 | lcuk | john, not literally |
| 23:27.22 | arezende | somebody knows if there is a problem on gtkmozembed using hildon? |
| 23:27.23 | johnx | :P |
| 23:27.26 | johnx | yeah, kinda figured |
| 23:27.26 | lcuk | i have small stubby short nails |
| 23:27.44 | johnx | you really don't need much |
| 23:27.54 | lcuk | ive got no big toe nail about 20% of the time |
| 23:28.03 | lcuk | it just keeps falling off :S |
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| 23:28.28 | lcuk | ( hopes he grossed the chan out ;) ) |
| 23:28.36 | Navi | woo, that was much quicker than punching crap out in xterm with the OSK. |
| 23:28.40 | _Shurik_ | lcuk: calcium deprivation? Probably due to drinking too much |
| 23:29.08 | lcuk | i can understand that reasoning, and you might actually be right |
| 23:29.16 | johnx | solution: eat something with cheese while drinking |
| 23:29.21 | johnx | may I suggest nachos? |
| 23:29.21 | lcuk | though, its probably more that i dont have the best diet |
| 23:29.24 | Navi | It's impossible for IRCers to get grossed out over the net. |
| 23:29.49 | lcuk | it seems pretty civilised on here, ive not ventured outside tho |
| 23:30.02 | johnx | our collective threshold of gross is just waaaay to high... |
| 23:30.04 | acydlord | seriously, i used to be an ircop on a server that had a ascii of goatse as the motd |
| 23:30.14 | Navi | :3 |
| 23:30.26 | johnx | acydlord, wow...you sure know how to pick 'em |
| 23:30.55 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, s/OSK/vkb/ |
| 23:31.03 | lcuk | the thing with crap like that is unfortunately there are always those who havent seen it |
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| 23:31.20 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, fag |
| 23:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | Go with the flow or GTFO! :P |
| 23:32.15 | jott | GeneralAntilles: s/vkb/internal keyboard/ :P |
| 23:32.17 | inz | fuck the flow |
| 23:32.27 | rm_you | inz: hey whazzup :P |
| 23:32.39 | johnx | s/vkb/letter squares/g :) |
| 23:32.50 | inz | rm, winter vacation \o/ |
| 23:32.55 | rm_you | !! :P |
| 23:33.12 | magicrobotmonkey | im using modest mail and i keep getting this popup that says application email closed |
| 23:33.19 | magicrobotmonkey | even though its not open |
| 23:33.40 | acydlord | magicrobotmonkey, modest has been giving me errors like that for the last 3 builds now |
| 23:33.43 | _Shurik_ | might need to find a bolder mail client |
| 23:33.46 | rm_you | inz: want to be the deb packaging assistant for adv-backlight? :P |
| 23:34.07 | magicrobotmonkey | acydlord: so, just ignoring it? |
| 23:34.14 | acydlord | pretty much |
| 23:34.15 | inz | rm, maybe next week |
| 23:34.20 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:34.20 | jku | magicrobotmonkey, acydlord: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2968 |
| 23:34.26 | acydlord | been meaning to submit a bug report |
| 23:34.27 | jku | please confirm/vote |
| 23:34.31 | inz | rm, i intend not to dig out my laptop this week |
| 23:34.33 | magicrobotmonkey | sweet |
| 23:34.34 | acydlord | jku, thx |
| 23:35.08 | inz | rm, and n810's keyboard isn't all that perfect |
| 23:35.26 | magicrobotmonkey | im getting pretty fast with it |
| 23:35.29 | johnx | rm_you, what help do you need with packaging? |
| 23:35.45 | magicrobotmonkey | except ive been meaning to move pipe and tab to shortcuts |
| 23:35.45 | lcuk | ive replaced mine and only use it when i have little to type. |
| 23:35.51 | lcuk | apple bluetooth rocks |
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| 23:36.22 | rm_you | johnx: i need it to build a second deb called "advanced-backlight-icons-lcars.deb" with no executable, just to put icons in the right place |
| 23:36.58 | johnx | hmmm...I probably need to get better at debian packaging anyways |
| 23:37.17 | Navi | woo hoo, mypaint froze mah tabletz |
| 23:37.24 | rm_you | also, anyone here good with C memory management? I need someone to take a really close look at my code again, since someone in the forums mentioned it might be leaking |
| 23:37.40 | lcuk | navi, gloss or emultion? |
| 23:37.45 | Navi | ? |
| 23:37.50 | lcuk | yourpaint |
| 23:37.59 | Navi | what? |
| 23:38.25 | Navi | >_> |
| 23:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:38.55 | inz | rm, i can check it for leaks... ...but not this week |
| 23:38.58 | johnx | mmm...wall candy |
| 23:40.08 | lcuk | rm - if its not tonnes ill take a peek |
| 23:41.02 | lcuk | just leave me a pm with where i can grab it from, ill have a look after my bath |
| 23:41.12 | rm_you | heh k, it's fairly short |
| 23:44.41 | Navi | Is there a flat, dark theme for Chinook? |
| 23:45.01 | GeneralAntilles | Echo doesn't fit that? |
| 23:45.37 | Navi | No |
| 23:45.38 | rm_you | gah... i was hoping that would go away after a reflash... >_> |
| 23:45.55 | rm_you | it keeps popping up "USB device not supported" |
| 23:46.01 | Navi | ouch |
| 23:46.02 | rm_you | when there's nothing plugged in to the USB |
| 23:46.23 | _Shurik_ | hmm, I saw that too a while back |
| 23:46.40 | _Shurik_ | try to remove sd |
| 23:47.01 | rm_you | to make it stop spamming me for a while i have to do the OTG/HOST toggle thing |
| 23:47.09 | rm_you | but then it inevitably comes back |
| 23:47.13 | rm_you | whichever one i have selected |
| 23:47.19 | rm_you | hrm... SD, you say? |
| 23:47.45 | _Shurik_ | just throwing it out there |
| 23:54.16 | Zic | package for GPE PIM are avaible for chinook ? |
| 23:54.33 | rm_you | yes |
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