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| 00:06.09 | fer | hi |
| 00:06.52 | Tak | nothing for chinook |
| 00:06.56 | Tak | bora stuff installs fine |
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| 00:46.10 | Species8472 | HELLO! |
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| 00:58.17 | pupnik | hi |
| 00:58.34 | pupnik | make... |
| 00:58.36 | pupnik | cp... |
| 00:59.28 | DeLe0n | i finally could order the n810 with the discount... hope te get it in about 2-3 hours hehehe |
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| 01:01.22 | pupnik | nice |
| 01:01.31 | pupnik | Tak: around? :) |
| 01:07.37 | pupnik | is there a way to record whatever is playing over esd? |
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| 01:14.21 | EruditeHermit | hey, in my scratchbox I get the following problems /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted |
| 01:14.29 | EruditeHermit | and other messages like that |
| 01:14.46 | EruditeHermit | when I am upgrading packages |
| 01:18.15 | johnx | what is the ownership of /var/run/utmp? what command are you using to upgrade? |
| 01:18.46 | EruditeHermit | apt-get upgrade |
| 01:19.07 | EruditeHermit | -rw-r--r-- |
| 01:19.29 | johnx | the *ownership* of the file |
| 01:19.30 | johnx | ... |
| 01:19.36 | johnx | also, try fakeroot apt-get upgrade |
| 01:20.25 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 01:20.52 | EruditeHermit | my user owns it |
| 01:21.25 | EruditeHermit | thats weird |
| 01:21.30 | EruditeHermit | why did the fakeroot work |
| 01:22.14 | johnx | actually...I don't really know in this situation |
| 01:22.24 | EruditeHermit | well |
| 01:22.28 | EruditeHermit | now I got a little further |
| 01:22.38 | EruditeHermit | now I have that messagebus:messagebus problem again |
| 01:22.44 | EruditeHermit | should I just reinstall the scratchbox? |
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| 01:23.15 | EruditeHermit | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user |
| 01:23.29 | johnx | what are you trying to install that complains about that? |
| 01:23.36 | EruditeHermit | gconf2 |
| 01:23.42 | johnx | and have you considered just making the user to shut it up? |
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| 01:24.02 | EruditeHermit | considered making the user what? |
| 01:24.11 | johnx | creating that user |
| 01:24.16 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 01:24.25 | EruditeHermit | there is no adduser command in scratchbox |
| 01:24.34 | johnx | just append to passwd and groups |
| 01:24.58 | EruditeHermit | what sh do I give it? |
| 01:25.05 | EruditeHermit | and what group number and stuff |
| 01:25.21 | johnx | actually, hang on...is the passwd in scratchbox just copied from your Linux install |
| 01:25.47 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 01:25.52 | EruditeHermit | I think its its own /etc/passwd |
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| 01:27.26 | EruditeHermit | johnx: would this all go away if I reinstalled my scratchbox? |
| 01:27.34 | johnx | I don't know |
| 01:27.41 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 01:27.41 | johnx | maybe, maybe not |
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| 01:27.49 | johnx | grep messagebus /etc/passwd |
| 01:27.56 | johnx | (from inside scratchbox) |
| 01:28.09 | EruditeHermit | its not there |
| 01:28.19 | johnx | interesting |
| 01:28.20 | EruditeHermit | I guess I can copy /etc/passwd from my tablet |
| 01:28.37 | EruditeHermit | but if messagebus isn't there, I think there might be more serious problems |
| 01:28.38 | johnx | actually, can you just pastebin your that file? |
| 01:28.43 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 01:29.04 | johnx | did you do a dpkg --purge dbus or something like that? |
| 01:29.28 | EruditeHermit | nope |
| 01:29.36 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 01:29.49 | EruditeHermit | pastbining etc/passwd doesn't sound like a smart idea =p |
| 01:30.02 | EruditeHermit | even if it is scratchbox |
| 01:30.17 | johnx | so don't pastebin the top like with root in it |
| 01:30.37 | johnx | s/like/line/g |
| 01:30.57 | johnx | you can see for yourself that all the passwords are actually in shadow... |
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| 01:31.15 | johnx | actually...I guess it isn't shadowed in scratchbox... |
| 01:32.08 | johnx | fine, I'll pastebin mine and you can see if you're missing anything else compared to mine |
| 01:32.19 | EruditeHermit | http://pastebin.com/m54e61850 |
| 01:32.57 | johnx | missing users for messagebus and haldaemon compared to mine |
| 01:33.16 | EruditeHermit | let me just reinstall |
| 01:33.19 | EruditeHermit | and see if it has it |
| 01:33.20 | johnx | yeah |
| 01:33.26 | johnx | that seems like a good idea |
| 01:33.35 | EruditeHermit | oh one question |
| 01:33.50 | johnx | if it was just one user I would have said, try recreating it and see what happens...but if two are gone that seems like evidence of a larger problem... |
| 01:33.53 | EruditeHermit | whenever I login to scratchbox, it automatically goes to my target |
| 01:34.15 | EruditeHermit | is there a way to login to a targetless login |
| 01:34.21 | EruditeHermit | like the first time I run scratchbox |
| 01:34.27 | EruditeHermit | so that I can delete that target |
| 01:34.44 | EruditeHermit | if you are logged into a target, it won't let you delete it |
| 01:34.59 | johnx | I guess you need to keep one target |
| 01:35.15 | johnx | you can make another target, put nothing on it, switch to it and delete everything else if you want |
| 01:35.22 | johnx | why would you want to do this? |
| 01:35.44 | EruditeHermit | johnx: to delete the target that I have now |
| 01:35.55 | EruditeHermit | but that works too |
| 01:36.00 | EruditeHermit | also |
| 01:36.09 | EruditeHermit | what is the difference between the cpu transparencies |
| 01:36.13 | EruditeHermit | arm and armeb etc |
| 01:36.18 | EruditeHermit | for qemu |
| 01:36.41 | johnx | armeb is arm eabi big endian |
| 01:36.54 | johnx | arm is just arm little endian |
| 01:37.09 | johnx | armeb isn't related to our tablets in any way :) |
| 01:37.39 | EruditeHermit | I thought the tablets were big endian |
| 01:37.50 | johnx | hmmm...I don't think so |
| 01:38.05 | johnx | or at least they run software compiled for little endian |
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| 01:39.02 | johnx | EruditeHermit, pretty darn sure the tablets are little endian :) |
| 01:39.31 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 01:39.34 | EruditeHermit | fair enough |
| 01:39.39 | EruditeHermit | ok reinstalling target |
| 01:41.05 | elb | one doesn't have to be "pretty sure" of such a thing |
| 01:41.27 | elb | printing 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x01 as an integer yields 16777216 -- they're little endian ;-) |
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| 01:47.59 | EruditeHermit | how do you add a user to scratchbox btw |
| 01:49.01 | pupnik | I fixed the sound in fceu! At least up to the filter.c Backend is still broken |
| 01:49.04 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Fceu_fixed_filter_c_Feb_21.wav |
| 01:49.11 | Navi | grats |
| 01:49.58 | Navi | Damned GeneralAntilles |
| 01:50.00 | Lateralus | Can anyone give me any information about the task bar notification system? |
| 01:50.07 | johnx | EruditeHermit, /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser |
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| 01:51.44 | Navi | pupnik, GeneralAntilles told me I should talk to you and become your "apprentice" or whatever. Of course, I don't know a lick of SDL. |
| 01:52.15 | Navi | Willing to learn, though. |
| 01:53.13 | EruditeHermit | johnx: thanks |
| 01:53.14 | EruditeHermit | brb |
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| 02:11.52 | lcuk | pupnik, are you around |
| 02:12.36 | pupnik | yeah |
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| 02:12.42 | Navi | lcuk, busy working on fceu, he is. |
| 02:12.50 | ekim|dt-linux | Ok ... so now there is 2008 hacker edition for the 770 right |
| 02:12.55 | Navi | or was |
| 02:13.00 | ekim|dt-linux | how can I install 2008 hacker edition on to my memory card ? |
| 02:13.03 | lcuk | ahh, lol i think he still will be |
| 02:13.35 | ekim|dt-linux | please ... tell me , I am excited to get it onto my tablet! |
| 02:13.39 | pupnik | not sure, try following the houto for booting from mmc |
| 02:13.50 | Navi | There are guides on how to do it, search google. |
| 02:13.51 | lcuk | pupnik, i have been setting up a basic single format book reader which at the moment uses xv library but i have no fonts... |
| 02:14.21 | lcuk | i tried the sdl version but couldnt build inside vmware box - have you any code around for bitmap handling thats not a library |
| 02:14.37 | lcuk | sdl_ttf wasnt installed and i couldnt get it in |
| 02:14.37 | ekim|dt-linux | Ok...I never use my 770 anyhow...so I am just gonna slap 2008 he on there |
| 02:14.45 | ekim|dt-linux | what do I have to loose |
| 02:14.52 | ekim|dt-linux | I can't really brick it that easily can I ? |
| 02:15.01 | ekim|dt-linux | and If I do...770's are like 40 bucks... |
| 02:15.06 | johnx | not through flashing with the official flasher |
| 02:15.12 | pupnik | the great sam latinga's canonical demo might help you lcuk aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz |
| 02:15.15 | lcuk | hasnt 770 get hardware bug with screens |
| 02:16.01 | lcuk | ahhh wicked, thanks pup :) im gonna see if i can get a book reading core with various front ends - so i can see the differences and whats avail |
| 02:16.04 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz |
| 02:16.14 | pupnik | there's also something called sdl-font |
| 02:16.24 | pupnik | or sdl-ttf |
| 02:16.30 | lcuk | i grabbed that a few weeks ago before i could handle compilation properly |
| 02:16.52 | lcuk | the library based solutions are giving a bit of hassle at the moment |
| 02:17.14 | lcuk | i cant use apt because for some reason within the scratchbox console it has no dns |
| 02:17.14 | ekim|dt-linux | ok...so I have the image right |
| 02:17.17 | ekim|dt-linux | where do I get the flasher ? |
| 02:17.19 | ekim|dt-linux | I am on linux |
| 02:18.00 | ekim|dt-linux | please...I am itching to install this |
| 02:18.32 | lcuk | its harder work for me on 810 to open a browser and search for maemo 770 flasher... |
| 02:18.48 | ekim|dt-linux | Ohh sorry |
| 02:19.04 | ekim|dt-linux | I just want to make sure i don't brick the thing |
| 02:19.21 | pupnik | for the hacker edition get the flasher 3.0 |
| 02:19.22 | lcuk | with 770, there is a hardawre brick failure possible |
| 02:19.29 | ekim|dt-linux | is the flasher generic |
| 02:19.45 | ekim|dt-linux | wait...use flasher 3.0 on my 770 ? |
| 02:19.46 | pupnik | i think it is compiled with static libs |
| 02:19.55 | lcuk | i didnt think you could totally brick these? i always assumed you could flash whenever |
| 02:19.56 | pupnik | for the newer hacker edition i believe |
| 02:20.18 | lcuk | on the flasher page via nokia they have a statically linked one yes pup |
| 02:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | WSOD would be the hardware brick issue |
| 02:20.39 | GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't really have anything to do with the flashing. |
| 02:20.46 | lcuk | it would be a very pretty - almost illuminating - brick though |
| 02:21.39 | lcuk | pupnik, hows emulator hacking going? |
| 02:22.21 | lcuk | and by gum i could use this apple keyboard anytime, its a joy to type on :) |
| 02:22.34 | ekim|dt-linux | Hmm...I don't want a brick |
| 02:22.43 | ekim|dt-linux | should I wait |
| 02:22.54 | ekim|dt-linux | I am on os 2006 |
| 02:22.59 | GeneralAntilles | Ew . . . silicone nipples. <_< |
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| 02:23.14 | lcuk | read up on white screen of death - its a hardware fault possible on 770 only, it doesnt appear to be software driven though |
| 02:23.18 | pupnik | i fixed one part of fceu yaay me! |
| 02:23.33 | lcuk | excellent, only 7966 more? |
| 02:23.48 | ekim|dt-linux | so wtf do I do ? |
| 02:23.58 | ekim|dt-linux | is it dangerous for me to flash os 2008 he ? |
| 02:24.01 | lcuk | is this an already ported to maemo hack or are you bringing it kicking and screaming from another device? |
| 02:24.36 | ekim|dt-linux | can someone please give me a straight answer ? |
| 02:24.36 | lcuk | ekim, before you mentioned it i didnt know there was an '08 hack, might be an idea to see what people have said about it in on internettablettalk |
| 02:24.50 | ekim|dt-linux | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html |
| 02:25.27 | johnx | ekim|dt-linux, I don't have a 770, but I'm pretty sure 2008he is not going to brick your device |
| 02:25.37 | ekim|dt-linux | alright |
| 02:25.39 | ekim|dt-linux | so I got the image right |
| 02:25.42 | ekim|dt-linux | how do I flash it ? |
| 02:25.52 | johnx | no idea. no 770 here... |
| 02:26.07 | ekim|dt-linux | damnit come on |
| 02:26.12 | ekim|dt-linux | doesn't anyone around here know anything |
| 02:26.14 | ekim|dt-linux | sorry... |
| 02:26.18 | johnx | :/ |
| 02:26.20 | ekim|dt-linux | but nobody seems to know the answers |
| 02:26.23 | ekim|dt-linux | not your fault... |
| 02:26.35 | ekim|dt-linux | I just want to get this thing done |
| 02:27.18 | lcuk | ekim|dt-linux, the BRAND NEW hacker edition appears to be at a testing phase only and on the announcement they say if you are not a power user you should avoid this release for now. power users would know how to flash their devices because they would have done it before |
| 02:27.26 | johnx | if I were you I would first: 1) search itt and google and see if anyone knew ... then 2) just try flasher3 |
| 02:27.34 | ekim|dt-linux | I have done it before |
| 02:27.36 | ekim|dt-linux | just not on linux |
| 02:27.42 | johnx | but I have been known to do dangerous things |
| 02:27.57 | ekim|dt-linux | but flasher 3 is for the n800 |
| 02:28.01 | ekim|dt-linux | wont it brick a 770 ? |
| 02:28.04 | GeneralAntilles | Worked fine with flash-2.0.macosx here. |
| 02:28.18 | johnx | dunno, I just told you what I would do |
| 02:28.43 | ekim|dt-linux | you flashed 2008 HE on a 770 ? |
| 02:28.49 | johnx | no |
| 02:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | Don't you know anything, johnx? :P |
| 02:28.55 | johnx | I don't *have* a 770 |
| 02:28.58 | ekim|dt-linux | not you... GeneralAntilles |
| 02:29.01 | johnx | ah |
| 02:29.04 | johnx | sorry :{ |
| 02:29.06 | ekim|dt-linux | :) |
| 02:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | I said so, didn't I? |
| 02:29.12 | johnx | s/:{/:P/g |
| 02:29.12 | lcuk | if you want to reflash your device, great - most people have done it, but dont bitch at us because you dont get instant gratification. there are plenty of prebuilt pages where people have documented exactly the sorts of questions you are asking, but on the whole they are longer than most comments i write (apart from this one) |
| 02:29.17 | ekim|dt-linux | so you did it with flasher 2.0 |
| 02:29.20 | ekim|dt-linux | and it worked fine |
| 02:29.43 | johnx | ekim|dt-linux, he's on macosx. it's ... different ... over there |
| 02:29.53 | ekim|dt-linux | really...are you sure |
| 02:30.21 | ekim|dt-linux | this is what it says under the 770 part on the maemo wiki |
| 02:30.23 | ekim|dt-linux | Download the Linux flasher (2.0 or 3.0 which also works) |
| 02:30.28 | ekim|dt-linux | so 3.0 also works with the 770 |
| 02:31.34 | ekim|dt-linux | but also... |
| 02:31.51 | ekim|dt-linux | this is what it says on the FlashThe LatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
| 02:31.59 | ekim|dt-linux | Download the linux flasher |
| 02:32.02 | ekim|dt-linux | but it doesn't say where ... |
| 02:32.05 | ekim|dt-linux | how does that help me |
| 02:32.48 | lcuk | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+flasher |
| 02:33.01 | lcuk | click the first result and follow the instructions |
| 02:33.37 | ekim|dt-linux | ohh thanks |
| 02:33.42 | johnx | ekim|dt-linux, Nokia themsevles say flasher-3.0 works with the 770 |
| 02:33.49 | ekim|dt-linux | ok great |
| 02:33.56 | ekim|dt-linux | so I have the image ... the flasher |
| 02:34.05 | ekim|dt-linux | now all I have to do is plug it in ... and cross my fingers |
| 02:34.14 | ekim|dt-linux | can you guys all cross your fingers too just for added effect |
| 02:34.17 | ekim|dt-linux | crossing them... |
| 02:34.18 | ekim|dt-linux | ok good |
| 02:36.56 | ekim|dt-linux | so I boot the 770 up as normal ? |
| 02:37.18 | johnx | yeah, it should reboot after it's done flashing if you used -R |
| 02:37.27 | ekim|dt-linux | what if I didn't do -R |
| 02:37.36 | ekim|dt-linux | should I add that |
| 02:38.13 | ekim|dt-linux | ok...I am plugged in .. but it says "suitable usb device not found" |
| 02:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | turn off the 770, start the flasher, plug the 770 in, hold down the home key, turn on the 770. |
| 02:39.01 | ekim|dt-linux | ohh home key |
| 02:39.02 | ekim|dt-linux | ok |
| 02:39.06 | ekim|dt-linux | the one with the little house on it ? |
| 02:39.07 | ekim|dt-linux | :) |
| 02:39.10 | ekim|dt-linux | I never use that |
| 02:40.33 | Navi | pupnik, ping |
| 02:40.38 | ekim|dt-linux | no...it still won't find it |
| 02:40.47 | ekim|dt-linux | what gives |
| 02:41.24 | ekim|dt-linux | GeneralAntilles, what did I do wrong ? |
| 02:41.28 | johnx | what about it isn't working? |
| 02:41.36 | johnx | what error message did you get? |
| 02:41.49 | ekim|dt-linux | no |
| 02:41.53 | ekim|dt-linux | no error |
| 02:41.59 | ekim|dt-linux | the flasher just wont recognize the 770 |
| 02:42.15 | ekim|dt-linux | I have been booting from mmc |
| 02:42.22 | ekim|dt-linux | but I am booting from flash now |
| 02:42.35 | ekim|dt-linux | I am holding the home key before I turn it on too just like GeneralAntilles said |
| 02:42.49 | johnx | the USB icon didn't appear on the 770 when you turned it on with the USB cable plugged in? |
| 02:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | Is it plugged in? |
| 02:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | (to USB) |
| 02:43.41 | jott | and did you run it as root? |
| 02:43.50 | jott | (the flasher-3.0) |
| 02:44.09 | ekim|dt-linux | yes |
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| 02:44.18 | ekim|dt-linux | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
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| 02:44.52 | ekim|dt-linux | wait |
| 02:44.53 | ekim|dt-linux | I got it |
| 02:45.00 | ekim|dt-linux | now I am just gonna walk away |
| 02:45.00 | ekim|dt-linux | lol |
| 02:45.06 | ekim|dt-linux | see you in ... 20 |
| 02:46.13 | pupnik | good luck |
| 02:47.16 | ekim|dt-linux | ok |
| 02:47.18 | ekim|dt-linux | its rebooting |
| 02:47.23 | ekim|dt-linux | and... |
| 02:47.28 | ekim|dt-linux | ...and |
| 02:47.42 | ekim|dt-linux | nokia sound |
| 02:47.45 | ekim|dt-linux | come on ... |
| 02:47.55 | ekim|dt-linux | YEAH |
| 02:47.57 | ekim|dt-linux | it works |
| 02:47.59 | ekim|dt-linux | w00t |
| 02:48.01 | ekim|dt-linux | thank you guys... |
| 02:49.03 | ekim|dt-linux | and it seems pretty snappy ... even on my 770 |
| 02:49.41 | ekim|dt-linux | sorry for all the messages...hehehe |
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| 02:50.27 | Navi | pupnik, are you ignoring me? :( |
| 02:51.24 | Navi | s/:(/:((((((/ |
| 02:51.46 | ekim|dt-linux | or ... it could have been a freaky regex |
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| 02:51.54 | ekim|dt-linux | wow...os2008 is slick |
| 02:52.46 | ekim|dt-linux | this will do for a bit , but I have to get me one of those sweet n810's |
| 02:52.51 | ekim|dt-linux | do any of you guys have them ? |
| 02:58.43 | pupnik | what's up Navi |
| 03:00.04 | Navi | [19:50:39] <Navi> pupnik, GeneralAntilles told me I should talk to you and become your "apprentice" or whatever. Of course, I don't know a lick of SDL. |
| 03:00.07 | Navi | [19:51:10] <Navi> Willing to learn, though |
| 03:01.01 | pupnik | i don't know much either. i started by installing scratchbox (which took me several days because I'm not very bright) then i started downloading sdl demos and games |
| 03:02.10 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n770demos/ these are fun little programs to start with Navi |
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| 03:06.46 | Navi | 'kay. |
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| 03:07.25 | jott | Navi: also look here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ and read http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/ |
| 03:11.27 | EruditeHermit | so I reinstalled and now when I try to build something, I get Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82. |
| 03:11.46 | pupnik | jott: heh that wiki needs some revision |
| 03:12.13 | jott | so do the n770 demos :P |
| 03:12.43 | jott | but most of the stuff still applies somewhat ;) |
| 03:13.54 | jott | feel free to correct the page ;) |
| 03:14.09 | jott | might be worth the effort ;) |
| 03:14.32 | pupnik | well i made a couple of corrections already |
| 03:15.46 | pupnik | hmm users can write x server extensions (?) http://maemo.org/community/wiki/x11extensiontutorial/ |
| 03:19.05 | elb | of course |
| 03:26.21 | pupnik | mmm a walnut tree means free walnuts all year |
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| 03:26.27 | nwidger | allo |
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| 03:26.32 | pupnik | hola |
| 03:27.46 | nwidger | so just how safe is it to install the native aim support package? the one that you have to enable red pill mode to install. |
| 03:27.56 | GeneralAntilles | At the moment, fine. |
| 03:28.13 | nwidger | so you think i'd be safe? |
| 03:28.35 | nwidger | no horror stories so far? |
| 03:28.41 | nwidger | words of advice? |
| 03:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | The only real problem so far has been the reboot loop |
| 03:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | but that's long gone. |
| 03:28.54 | nwidger | ah okay |
| 03:28.55 | johnx | I'd like to hope they're a little more careful after the reboot loop... |
| 03:29.17 | nwidger | well then i guess i'll give it a shot :) |
| 03:29.39 | nwidger | you're all to blame if anything goes wrong :P |
| 03:32.18 | nwidger | anyone have the link to the page where i can install it? |
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| 03:33.57 | johnx | rtcomm.garage.maemo.org |
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| 05:14.52 | pupnik | 68871 30.0197 fceu X6502_RunNormal |
| 05:14.52 | pupnik | 36854 16.0641 fceu MMC5_ReadROMRAM |
| 05:14.53 | pupnik | 25904 11.2911 fceu FCEU_SoundCPUHook |
| 05:14.57 | pupnik | mwahwha |
| 05:15.45 | johnx | got fceu behaving better? |
| 05:15.45 | pupnik | yup |
| 05:15.46 | johnx | nice |
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| 05:16.11 | pupnik | now FPS is down again but sound is 95% smooth |
| 05:16.42 | johnx | that's pretty cool |
| 05:16.47 | pupnik | another day or two and it'll be pretty solid, at least on 400mhz N8x0 |
| 05:17.07 | pupnik | but i don't know what fixed the sound backend :/ |
| 05:17.11 | pupnik | so i am making backups |
| 05:17.35 | johnx | is a lot of it strictly armv6te w/ vfp or will it benefit other arm devices? |
| 05:17.53 | pupnik | no this is fixing some brain damaged stuff in the sound routines |
| 05:18.17 | pupnik | with better-working brain damaged stuff |
| 05:18.22 | johnx | :D |
| 05:22.04 | pupnik | want to test it? |
| 05:22.36 | johnx | sure |
| 05:23.21 | pupnik | do you nave n8x0 and regular fceu installed? |
| 05:23.57 | johnx | no fceu installed yet |
| 05:27.59 | johnx | should I install your fceu release from itt first? |
| 05:29.07 | pupnik | no Tak made fceu. I think his latest is on garage.maemo.org or maybe in extras |
| 05:29.14 | pupnik | s/made/ported |
| 05:31.08 | pupnik | do some playing with the std fceu and xmaeme - i need mostly to know about differences. plays something worse, is missing sound samples etc |
| 05:34.22 | johnx | hmm...need to fix a dep problem with a package I compiled before I can install anything else :/ |
| 05:35.50 | pupnik | you can also wget the .deb an dinstall with dpkg -i |
| 05:35.53 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=87&release_id=963 |
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| 05:43.10 | pupnik | rebuilding again |
| 05:43.22 | johnx | installing... |
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| 05:48.28 | johnx | this is surprisingly fast (!!) |
| 05:49.09 | johnx | in 0.98.12-9, the sound is a little messed up... |
| 05:49.34 | pupnik | what?! |
| 05:49.39 | pupnik | i'm working off 12-8 |
| 05:50.01 | johnx | i guess it's new |
| 05:51.42 | pupnik | does the sound seem a little blubbery/bibbery/warbly? |
| 05:51.47 | johnx | yes |
| 05:52.05 | pupnik | that was driving me bonkers |
| 05:52.23 | pupnik | hold on pm |
| 05:52.24 | johnx | and sometimes a game will be playing at a decent speed and then slowdown for a while and speed back up |
| 05:52.30 | johnx | it doesn't seem to be related to action in the game |
| 05:52.38 | johnx | (might be something else on my n800 |
| 05:52.39 | johnx | ) |
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| 07:29.53 | EruditeHermit | does anyone know what this means: Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82. |
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| 07:32.13 | Tobotras | morning |
| 07:33.01 | Navi | Heh, night |
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| 07:38.22 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 07:43.35 | LoCusF | GeneralAntilles: where did you get your Terminus font package for maemo? |
| 07:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | Just use the regular font. |
| 07:43.49 | LoCusF | jott's http://sse2.net/maemo/ doesn't work anymore |
| 07:43.54 | LoCusF | the ttf? |
| 07:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. |
| 07:45.00 | LoCusF | oh cool |
| 07:45.10 | LoCusF | gotta put it to /usr/share/fonts right? |
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| 07:57.09 | LoCusF | yeah there it was |
| 07:57.15 | LoCusF | terminus looks supercool |
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| 08:01.53 | pupnik_ | Respect Mah Authoritah! |
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| 08:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe you should try giving it a little lovin', pupnik_. ;) |
| 08:28.23 | pupnik_ | you have OS2008 right GeneralAntilles ? |
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| 08:39.24 | pope22 | hi, i'm considering picking up one of the Nokia N series, and this seemed like a good place to toss out questions. The N770 is cheap around the net, but is worth buying? Or would it be better to go with the 800 or 810? |
| 08:39.46 | rkabir | i'd recommend going with an N8xx for the new OS |
| 08:39.54 | pupnik_ | that's hard to answer |
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| 08:40.08 | pupnik_ | if the 770 is sufficient for you, it is the most durable road warrior |
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| 08:41.14 | pope22 | I had read a review that stated watching videos off site like youtube was too slugish to be useful, is this true? and does the slugishness reach to other areas of the device? I like the sound of "durable" because i'm sure it'll go everywher with me |
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| 08:41.58 | pupnik_ | depends on so many factors. what do you want to do with it? |
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| 08:43.49 | pope22 | it would be mostly for checking e-mail, iming and reading news around campus. It would probably get used heavily for ebooks in txt and pdf format as well. If it's up to it, it would be great if it would work well with hulu.com, b/c NewsRadio on the go would be great ^_^ |
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| 08:45.45 | pupnik_ | if you're in bright light environments, and IMing the N810 can't be beat |
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| 08:47.18 | pupnik_ | but a bluetooth keyboard is better if you're at a table |
| 08:48.20 | pope22 | i was kinda leaning toward that one anyway, even though it's more expensive ^_^ Has the community gotten any other distros and/or desktops to work on the N810? or is maemo the onestop shop? |
| 08:49.25 | pope22 | I do like the gps on the 810, i'd even pay for the directions capability if i buy that one |
| 08:52.02 | pupnik_ | there's a KDE environment, a Matchbox environment and for alternate OSes there's a fully open version of ITOS in development, and a debian armel OS in development |
| 08:52.41 | pupnik_ | i haven't tried any of them myself |
| 08:53.48 | pope22 | ^_^ Gotta love linux, we never accept what comes in the box. Hmm...i'll have to sleep on this one, but it seems like whichever i buy will be quite useful |
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| 08:56.37 | jku__ | pope22, wireless and powere management are still closed source, so the other OSes aren't very practical ATM |
| 08:58.42 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:59.16 | hahlo | can't you reverse crack those closed drivers? |
| 08:59.22 | Jaffa | jku__/pope22: although apparently the power management framework is so trivial that an open source replacement would be simple. The power mgmt itself is standard kernel stuff, IIRC |
| 08:59.49 | pope22 | just the knowing that more options are in the works is good to know. Perhaps, eventually, it'll be able to run it fully off open source software. |
| 09:00.25 | trickie | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona thats one of the alternatives... not for everyday use yet though |
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| 09:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, pupnik_, need some testing? |
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| 09:06.36 | Tobotras | - sighs. |
| 09:06.46 | pupnik_ | yes if you can actually run through a number of games and jot down notes for those which have problems |
| 09:06.53 | pupnik_ | say over the weekend |
| 09:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.59 | pupnik_ | Ok i need about 1.5-2 more hours |
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| 09:09.20 | K-Fox | hi |
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| 09:37.53 | thp | how can I make the scrollbars of a gtk.ScrolledWindow finger-friendly?? |
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| 09:47.20 | Jaffa | thp: eugh, you mean the fat scrollbars which waste screen space (but are more usable) but are applied inconsistently across OS2008? |
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| 09:48.53 | MangoFusion | you could always grow your nails |
| 09:51.00 | MangoFusion | drag to scroll tends not to work properly for me |
| 09:51.12 | MangoFusion | really annoying |
| 09:51.16 | MangoFusion | esp in the browser |
| 09:51.38 | Jaffa | The current implementation is crap in that you drag over a link in the RSS reader and it thinks you clicked it. |
| 09:51.57 | Jaffa | As a metaphor I think it's the right one on a finger-friendly tablet mobile device; just needs a better implementation. |
| 09:52.16 | MangoFusion | scroll bars are evil |
| 09:52.25 | thp | found it (for python): hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar(sw, True) |
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| 09:52.56 | thp | Jaffa: yes, i mean these ;) |
| 09:53.02 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! |
| 09:53.25 | Khertan_TheReal | Someone know if debsign is available for it device on OS2008 ? |
| 09:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | The ITOS release is irrelevant for Debian. |
| 09:54.46 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: presumably for uploading to extras-devel from the device |
| 09:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | debsign |
| 09:55.01 | GeneralAntilles | ... |
| 09:55.07 | Khertan_TheReal | i just need debsign to signing package created with pypackager to upload it to extras |
| 09:55.28 | Jaffa | Khertan_TheReal: there was a thread about it recently on maemo-developers |
| 09:55.31 | Khertan_TheReal | lol ! you have read debian ? :) |
| 09:55.58 | Jaffa | Khertan_TheReal: IIRC it's possible to sign it with gpg directly |
| 09:55.59 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > yes we are talking about uploading to extra on device ... |
| 09:56.17 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > this better ! |
| 09:56.20 | Khertan_TheReal | +is |
| 09:56.22 | dtahtbot | Khertan_TheReal: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 09:56.27 | Khertan_TheReal | lol |
| 09:56.40 | Khertan_TheReal | do you know what debsign do ? |
| 09:56.48 | Khertan_TheReal | it just use gpg to sign the package , |
| 09:56.49 | Khertan_TheReal | ? |
| 09:57.05 | Jaffa | I believe so, but I've not checked it for myself. |
| 09:57.31 | Khertan_TheReal | yes that s the problem ... i can't find information about this |
| 09:57.41 | Khertan_TheReal | (on maemo-dev too) |
| 09:58.08 | Jaffa | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html suggests gnupg can be used |
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| 10:01.06 | Khertan_TheReal | Jaffa > they suggest it can be done ... but don't say what debsign do to reproduce it with gpg |
| 10:01.07 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 10:04.06 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... i'm really a newb with gpg ... |
| 10:04.20 | Khertan_TheReal | someone can explain me how to sign a file ? |
| 10:04.32 | Khertan_TheReal | i ve tryed to sign a .changes with this command : |
| 10:04.55 | Khertan_TheReal | gpg -k 0x00000000 -s pypackager-0.7.0.changes |
| 10:05.14 | Khertan_TheReal | and i get a conflicting command error |
| 10:05.24 | Khertan_TheReal | (0x00000000 is my keys) |
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| 10:11.48 | jku__ | Khertan_TheReal, -k is not what you think it is... |
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| 10:16.24 | wnd | Khertan_TheReal, doesn't dpkg-buildpackage do the signing for you? |
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| 10:19.00 | jku__ | wnd, he's making packages on the device |
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| 10:19.33 | K-Fox | i am using xchat on n800 but can not read korea fonts |
| 10:19.53 | K-Fox | why ? |
| 10:20.48 | Tobotras | K-Fox: can you read them in other apps? |
| 10:21.11 | K-Fox | nope only xchat |
| 10:21.38 | Tobotras | K-Fox: chose correct korean font in xchat's settings? |
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| 10:23.38 | Khertan_TheReal | wnd> i'm trying to complete pypackager to sign and upload package to extras. |
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| 10:46.11 | Spakman_ | I'm developing in ruby-maemo, but I'm not sure if this applied to Gtk on Maemo as a whole: When I append or prepend to a ListStore, my corresponding TreeView selection is updated for the new item. This doesn't happen (with the same code) on my desktop Gtk. Is there a way I can stop it happening? |
| 10:50.10 | wnd | jku__, oh |
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| 11:02.44 | Khertan_TheReal | ARRRgfgggg !!! this gpg will make me bad !!! |
| 11:03.14 | inz | Khertan, bad as in evil or as in lousy? |
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| 11:12.03 | melmoth | Khertan_TheReal: from memory, no space afyter -k |
| 11:15.00 | melmoth | Khertan_TheReal: what about debsign -k0x00000000 blabla.changes ? |
| 11:15.15 | jku__ | melmoth, -k an d -s are both commands. Only one command allowed |
| 11:15.39 | melmoth | most probably, i never try to used both :) |
| 11:15.49 | jku__ | melmoth, he doesn't have debsign on the device, that's the problem |
| 11:15.53 | melmoth | ahhh |
| 11:15.58 | melmoth | ok |
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| 11:30.58 | |tbb| | hi all, is it possible to direct play an mp3 from a network storage through mplayer or which player is suitable to do that |
| 11:36.05 | Khertan_TheReal | inz > both ! |
| 11:37.02 | Khertan_TheReal | jku > so how can i choose which key gpg should use to sign the file ? |
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| 11:47.21 | jku | Khertan_TheReal, not sure but try --local-user |
| 11:53.34 | pupnik | hehe oops. don't do this /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher stop |
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| 12:04.13 | pupnik | |tbb|: if your mp3 is on a windows share you can mount the drive with smbclient. there are also mediaservers but i don't know about them |
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| 12:05.16 | zchydem | is there a document how to get signal about "power-button pressed". I'd like to react on that in my app? |
| 12:05.53 | zchydem | in my understanding it's a DBus signal |
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| 12:30.55 | zchydem | never mind the question, I solved it out |
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| 13:26.44 | wwp | hi there! |
| 13:27.38 | wwp | the .install files from my website open as text when clicked in a webbrowser - that's not handy to quick install from maemo.org. does that mean my .install files are incorrect or is this a httpd setting I should tune on my server? |
| 13:27.59 | wwp | (like assigning a mime contents to .install files) |
| 13:28.59 | Jaffa | Yeah, it needs a MIME type setting. |
| 13:29.08 | Jaffa | See http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/ (IIRC) |
| 13:29.37 | jott | wwp: add "AddType application/x-install-instructions install" to your .htaccess |
| 13:29.54 | wwp | wohoo! |
| 13:30.11 | wwp | thanks Jaffa and jott |
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| 13:55.30 | cbx33 | hey guys - anyone know how can i do video calling from N810 to PC? |
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| 14:04.13 | fer | hi |
| 14:04.14 | Robot101 | cbx33: sure |
| 14:04.22 | Robot101 | cbx33: we've |
| 14:04.27 | Robot101 | cbx33: we've just been working on it recently |
| 14:04.56 | Robot101 | the latest HEAD of empathy, stream-engine, farsight and gst-plugins-farsight will do it, we think. we should make some releases soon, which should be available in debian/ubuntu/etc |
| 14:05.04 | cbx33 | awesome |
| 14:05.14 | cbx33 | I just rememberd gstreamer on there |
| 14:05.20 | cbx33 | so I'm going to try and do it with a shoutcast server |
| 14:05.28 | cbx33 | I need to be in two places at once today |
| 14:05.34 | cbx33 | this may just do what I want |
| 14:05.37 | cbx33 | ;) |
| 14:06.05 | Tak | are you going to project your voice like the wizard of oz? |
| 14:07.46 | cbx33 | no video....I need remote eyes today |
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| 14:22.19 | pupnik | tak, i see fceu -9 in extras but not on garage. what did you change? |
| 14:23.03 | pupnik | the border around a and b buttons? |
| 14:23.51 | Tak | border? |
| 14:24.36 | pupnik | in the -8 version from garage A and B have a white square |
| 14:26.42 | Tak | hah, I never heard about that |
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| 14:27.02 | pupnik | ok maybe just a funky pallette issue i have |
| 14:27.46 | pupnik | you do not have a N800? |
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| 14:28.59 | pupnik | Tak ping |
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| 14:29.51 | Tak | sorry, reading cvs log |
| 14:30.19 | Tak | I gave my n800 to my fiancee, since she bought the 770 that got me started |
| 14:30.54 | pupnik | So it's not within reach? |
| 14:30.55 | Tak | I don't show any cvs commits since 2007/10/11 |
| 14:30.59 | Tak | not atm |
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| 14:31.13 | Navi | Aw, how wonderful :) |
| 14:31.42 | pupnik | I fixed the sound for most games on N8x0 |
| 14:31.58 | pupnik | it's still way too slow for 770 |
| 14:32.17 | fer | anyone here who uses "mediaserv" ? |
| 14:32.19 | Tak | oh, the one in extras is because the -8 that got uploaded to extras was corrupted |
| 14:32.23 | Tak | there weren't any source changes |
| 14:32.38 | pupnik | ok thanks |
| 14:33.16 | Tak | pupnik: that's awesome |
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| 14:34.17 | Tak | should I move the fceu vcs to garage, so you can apply? |
| 14:34.56 | pupnik | it will be a while yet before I'm confident that the changes are worth releasing |
| 14:35.11 | pupnik | but you can grab a binary if you can get a chance to borrow the n800 |
| 14:36.38 | Tak | hmm - how about I upload the source to svn, you commit your changes, and I'll do a bora build for testing until then? |
| 14:36.46 | pupnik | this stuff is very confusing |
| 14:36.56 | pupnik | sure |
| 14:38.48 | pupnik | the main problem right now is buffersize and frameskip needs to be tweaked for several games, or different classes of games |
| 14:38.56 | pupnik | i'd rather not have to do that |
| 14:40.33 | Tak | can you infer a good buffersize if you know the given frameskip? |
| 14:40.49 | Tak | or is it not related to the video frameskip? |
| 14:41.58 | pupnik | it is |
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| 14:42.29 | Tak | so can you infer a good buffersize if you know the given frameskip? |
| 14:42.49 | pupnik | at a given sampling rate i think so |
| 14:43.03 | Tak | committed at https://garage.maemo.org/svn/xmame/fceu |
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| 14:43.21 | pupnik | ok thanks |
| 14:43.31 | Tak | well, at least with xmaeme, frameskip and sample rate are given |
| 14:43.54 | Tak | so if the buffer size can be auto-adjusted based on that, it should be a transparent change |
| 14:44.28 | pupnik | do you think you could add profiles per game to xmaeme |
| 14:44.35 | pupnik | or are you still re-working the whole thing |
| 14:46.08 | Tak | it can be done; I just need to work out a sane (and hopefully easy) way of persisting them |
| 14:46.55 | pupnik | maybe you could steal some code from another frontend |
| 14:47.34 | pupnik | but no hurry on this. getting it reliable will take another few days at least |
| 14:48.02 | Tak | most of the ones that do things like that have an sqlite db or similar |
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| 14:49.15 | Tak | that's a whole layer of complexity I've been hesitating to add |
| 14:49.20 | pupnik | yes agree |
| 14:49.32 | pupnik | how about a 50kb text file with up to 1000 entries |
| 14:49.35 | pupnik | kB |
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| 14:50.47 | pupnik | ah it would be a bit larger |
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| 15:36.48 | boolean | morning, |
| 15:37.12 | boolean | would this channel be safe bet to ask some troubleshooting questions? |
| 15:37.51 | pupnik | if it's about a nokia tablet |
| 15:37.52 | Tak | we won't set you on fire and drive you away |
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| 15:38.08 | Tak | but it's not guaranteed that we'll be able to help, either |
| 15:38.30 | boolean | well if some1 can push me in the right direction, it would be great |
| 15:38.48 | boolean | i have noticed some wierd issues involving the webcam and the latest OS |
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| 15:39.42 | boolean | i managed to actually crash the device by using the mediaplayer, some camera software and the annoying habit of the webcam opening the internet chat each time one opens the cam |
| 15:40.01 | boolean | first off, is there a way to get the system to do some form of dump ? |
| 15:40.38 | zoran | on linux, it should as default if setdumpsize is not set to 0 |
| 15:41.02 | boolean | sysctl I take it ? |
| 15:41.02 | zoran | dunno about nokia sudo and busybox |
| 15:41.27 | zoran | not sure if n810 could use sysctl |
| 15:41.42 | zoran | I have no 770 handy right now |
| 15:42.04 | boolean | mine is the n800 |
| 15:42.10 | zoran | if memory footprint is beeger than ram, problem occurs to have dump |
| 15:42.16 | zoran | *bigger |
| 15:42.30 | boolean | unless i can redirect it to a SD card |
| 15:43.01 | zoran | probably paging is not an option for that!? |
| 15:43.18 | boolean | dunno, i will have to loo |
| 15:43.29 | zoran | what if you redirect error to some file from command line calling the app? |
| 15:43.55 | zoran | 2> etc |
| 15:45.45 | boolean | didnk of that |
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| 15:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | core-dumps are done if there's a core-dump file on one of the cards. |
| 15:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | er, folder* |
| 15:49.14 | boolean | ok i will investigate |
| 15:49.55 | Khertan_TheReal | huhu glade3 works on my n810 :) |
| 15:50.17 | Khertan_TheReal | and it s usable :) |
| 15:50.20 | zoran | GA, doesn't it show up in the dir the process is started? |
| 15:50.26 | Khertan_TheReal | not fast ... but usable ... |
| 15:51.37 | Tak | wow, that's kind of surprising |
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| 16:23.53 | ulises | hey |
| 16:24.11 | ulises | is it wise to use a debian repository (arm) to upgrade scratchbox? |
| 16:25.14 | Tak | I wouldn't |
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| 16:25.28 | elb | if you intend to use that repository on your IT, maybe |
| 16:26.10 | ulises | ah |
| 16:26.15 | ulises | ok, no worries then |
| 16:26.18 | ulises | I am :) |
| 16:26.35 | elb | scratchbox is intended only to be an emulated environment equivalent to your IT |
| 16:26.51 | elb | if you do crazy things to your IT, doing crazy things to your scratchbox to keep up is warranted |
| 16:27.06 | Tak | hah, that's a good point |
| 16:27.10 | elb | just keep in mind that anything you build in that scratchbox may not work on other people's tablets without extra dependencies, etc. |
| 16:27.33 | ulises | good tip |
| 16:27.44 | ulises | I'm running a deboostrapped debian on it |
| 16:27.56 | ulises | and whoever wants to run my stuff would probably have to use the same debian then |
| 16:28.15 | zoran | post it for download and admire |
| 16:28.27 | ulises | hehe |
| 16:28.29 | ulises | far from that |
| 16:28.34 | ulises | I will post it though |
| 16:28.40 | ulises | it's fairly unusable still |
| 16:29.18 | ulises | i.e. need to ssh to it and launch stuff yourself |
| 16:29.18 | ulises | I'm happy to post it though you might be better of using johnx's image |
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| 16:29.18 | ulises | he's far more advanced than I am |
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| 16:29.23 | ulises | *his is |
| 16:29.32 | ulises | *than mine is |
| 16:29.36 | ulises | bollocks |
| 16:29.38 | ulises | :D |
| 16:29.40 | zoran | k, no graphical interface, no input method |
| 16:29.55 | zoran | n810 could work in console mode? |
| 16:29.59 | ulises | some sort of graphical interface |
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| 16:30.04 | ulises | it has e16 right now |
| 16:30.09 | ulises | and xvkb |
| 16:30.19 | ulises | but that's about it |
| 16:30.58 | zoran | could you add apps like mutt or lynx and have it working? |
| 16:31.12 | zoran | like apt-get install ... |
| 16:31.38 | ulises | apt et al. are indeed working no probs |
| 16:32.00 | ulises | dillo is up and running too |
| 16:32.10 | zoran | good enough |
| 16:32.18 | zoran | no html 4 |
| 16:32.27 | ulises | I'm trying to strip it to its bare bones though |
| 16:32.34 | ulises | can't get it under 250M :@ |
| 16:32.46 | zoran | ah, too much |
| 16:32.50 | ulises | yup |
| 16:33.03 | ulises | that's why the ITOS is based on busybox |
| 16:33.26 | zoran | new hp thin client 5735 has something stripped down to flash |
| 16:33.32 | zoran | debian |
| 16:33.39 | ulises | that'd be nice |
| 16:33.58 | ulises | DSL and puppy linux have a full user interface + apps in <50M |
| 16:34.30 | zoran | I tried dsl for play sake, but something like finnix would be better |
| 16:34.46 | ulises | never heard of it |
| 16:34.59 | zoran | command line admin tool |
| 16:35.03 | zoran | live cd |
| 16:35.47 | ulises | the distro is 300M |
| 16:35.54 | ulises | and it hasn't any desktop or anything |
| 16:35.58 | ulises | (from their website) |
| 16:36.02 | ulises | although the image is compressed |
| 16:36.04 | zoran | I recall various servers on floppy |
| 16:36.08 | ulises | to 100M |
| 16:36.10 | ulises | yes |
| 16:36.11 | zoran | yeah, about 100 |
| 16:36.14 | ulises | tomsbtrt being one |
| 16:36.47 | zoran | some bare bone bsd could be easier to strip down, maybe |
| 16:36.58 | LoCusF | netbsd! |
| 16:37.02 | zoran | drivers are the problem |
| 16:37.26 | ulises | drivers are the problem in debian too |
| 16:37.28 | ulises | no sound |
| 16:37.31 | ulises | for one |
| 16:37.32 | zoran | he-he |
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| 16:37.36 | errordeveloper | hi |
| 16:37.37 | zoran | who needs sount? |
| 16:37.53 | zoran | s/sount/sound/ |
| 16:38.05 | errordeveloper | i wonder how to get manual ip address setings on a n800 .. |
| 16:38.05 | zoran | thanks, herr infobot! |
| 16:38.15 | ulises | I guess that people trying to do voip and listen to music ... |
| 16:38.22 | zoran | yeah |
| 16:38.24 | ulises | hehe |
| 16:38.49 | zoran | I'm still on prepaid internet, so no biggie services |
| 16:38.56 | errordeveloper | the dhcp doesn't work on my network .. |
| 16:39.14 | zoran | so, you don't have dhcp server? |
| 16:39.24 | errordeveloper | i can be asked fixing it now ..and i don't actually want to have dhcp |
| 16:39.41 | errordeveloper | so randomers don't connect without me seeing them |
| 16:39.43 | zoran | set it as static ip-s |
| 16:39.55 | errordeveloper | i can't find it .. |
| 16:40.01 | zoran | what do you mean "randomers"? |
| 16:40.21 | errordeveloper | zoran: random people, who i havn't meat .. |
| 16:40.28 | zoran | open ap? |
| 16:40.33 | zoran | no wpa etc? |
| 16:40.36 | errordeveloper | well ..no hackers, just randomers |
| 16:40.42 | errordeveloper | i got wpa |
| 16:40.53 | errordeveloper | but everyone knows the key |
| 16:41.00 | zoran | wpa2 and aes are good for that case |
| 16:41.14 | errordeveloper | well ..it's ok , i have a reson to keep postonding the router issue .. |
| 16:41.23 | errordeveloper | yeah .. i know |
| 16:41.27 | zoran | whatrouter? |
| 16:41.32 | zoran | what router? |
| 16:41.33 | errordeveloper | just that's a bit of a pain |
| 16:41.42 | errordeveloper | thomson speedtouch |
| 16:41.45 | errordeveloper | really crap |
| 16:41.47 | zoran | hm, dunno |
| 16:42.02 | zoran | no static ip option? |
| 16:42.12 | zoran | any web interface on 192.168.1.1? |
| 16:42.19 | errordeveloper | zoran: hhmm.. anyway ..the question is where shall i go to set the static address |
| 16:42.29 | zoran | on nokia? |
| 16:42.33 | errordeveloper | yep |
| 16:42.44 | zoran | ifconfig, I think |
| 16:43.04 | Tak | you can do it from the connection manager, can't you? |
| 16:43.04 | errordeveloper | the red pill mode need a connection to get the catalog as i figured out.. |
| 16:43.05 | ulises | you could do it through the connection manager I believe |
| 16:43.32 | errordeveloper | i only see some totally basic options in there |
| 16:43.53 | zoran | one of them is type of ip naming |
| 16:44.01 | jku | errordeveloper, behind the "advanced" button? |
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| 16:44.03 | zoran | getting ip or alike |
| 16:44.16 | errordeveloper | let me look again .. |
| 16:44.24 | zoran | drop down arrow? |
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| 16:45.23 | LoCusF | is there a difference between WPA2 and AES encryption? |
| 16:45.49 | Tak | yeah, it's in the advanced settings |
| 16:45.57 | Tak | "IP Addresses" tab on mine |
| 16:46.35 | errordeveloper | i see it know .. |
| 16:46.42 | errordeveloper | but it's shaded .. |
| 16:46.42 | zoran | I think wpa2 is wpa+aes |
| 16:46.50 | errordeveloper | cheers :)) |
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| 16:48.45 | zoran | that mechanism should use wpa_supplicant as back-end? |
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| 17:15.55 | zoran | hm, embedded netbsd is called polybsd |
| 17:26.42 | geaaru | i think that isn't a correct channel but how can i recover version of dbus library for set a dedicated variable through configure.in file ? thanks in advance |
| 17:28.02 | Tak | pkg-config --modversion dbus-1 |
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| 17:34.11 | geaaru | Tak: ok, but there isn't an autotools macro that do it? |
| 17:34.47 | Tak | PKG_CHECK_MODULES will check for pkg-config packages of given versions, if that's what you want |
| 17:35.41 | geaaru | no, i need version value that i use for a define on my application |
| 17:37.04 | geaaru | pkg-config --modversion dbus-1 is a valid solution if isn't a dedicated macro |
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| 17:44.24 | Khertan_TheReal | bye ... good week end |
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| 17:48.29 | argnel | i just bought an n800 (new), which won't turn on. any ideas beyond sending it back? |
| 17:49.06 | jku | argnel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2673 |
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| 17:49.29 | jku | could be just a software problem fixed in the newest release |
| 17:50.09 | jku | try plain http if that https link doesn't work |
| 17:50.25 | argnel | link works :) |
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| 17:52.49 | jku | argnel: the refrigerator trick mentioned there is not a joke by the way... I have been told it actually works for devices which have this bug |
| 17:55.28 | mgedmin | argnel: plug the charger, be more persistent |
| 17:55.32 | mgedmin | and then never turn it off ;) |
| 17:55.46 | mgedmin | also, flash the latest OS2008 release which fixes the "device doesn't want to turn on" bug |
| 17:55.58 | argnel | it said the battery was full, i pulled the charger, tried to turn it on - no dice |
| 17:56.16 | Sho_ | argnel: wait a few minutes and then it should work |
| 17:56.26 | argnel | and here i let the device come to room temperature after taking it out of the carton :p |
| 17:57.24 | argnel | should it have been usable while charging? |
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| 17:58.11 | jku | argnel, yes, it should turn on while charging |
| 17:58.40 | argnel | all it showed was a charging indicator in the center of the screen, none of the buttons did anything |
| 17:59.04 | jku | and you pushed power button for a couple of seconds? |
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| 18:00.07 | elb | my n810 won't power on while charging a significant percentage of the time |
| 18:00.12 | elb | (I haven't tried 51-3) |
| 18:00.12 | argnel | no, i didn't know that it had to be held at the time |
| 18:00.41 | jku | more like 1 second, but yes it needs to be held |
| 18:00.53 | elb | yeah, you have to hold it until the screen lights up and says NOKIA |
| 18:00.55 | mgedmin | normal power on sequence: press the power button (and hold it down), the blue led lights on, and then don't release the button until you see the screen turn on |
| 18:01.15 | argnel | haven't seen any blue LEDs :) |
| 18:01.49 | elb | try flashing 51-3 before you spend too much time on it |
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| 18:02.37 | argonl | well, battery out for 3 mins has no effect, trying freezer |
| 18:04.15 | pope523_ | Is there a way to access password secured Windows shares from the N800 w/ OS2008? |
| 18:05.11 | elb | argonl: I don't know if you saw my suggestiong ... but flash 51-3 before you spend too much time jacking aroudn with cargo cultism |
| 18:05.35 | argonl | elb: i did see it, i assumed i had to have the device turning on in order to flash it |
| 18:05.50 | elb | many people seem to be able to flash without successful power ups |
| 18:06.16 | elb | initiate the flash by plugging in the power connector, rather than using the power button |
| 18:06.43 | argonl | interesting, ok. i must say i'm not overly impressed with nseries.com, and even less so by nokia.ca |
| 18:07.05 | pope523_ | argonl: How long did you say you held the power button down for? |
| 18:07.21 | argonl | pope523_: the first time was a tap, the second was about 6 seconds |
| 18:07.41 | argonl | elb: when i plugged in the charger, the screen remained blank |
| 18:07.51 | pope523_ | argonl: And even at 6 seconds, no blue light flashed on the navigation button and the screen did not light up? |
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| 18:08.19 | elb | argonl: you plugged in the USB cable, started the flasher app, plugged in the charger, and nothing happened? |
| 18:08.31 | argonl | elb: no, just the charger |
| 18:08.47 | argonl | i have yet to actually locate the instructions for flashing |
| 18:09.02 | elb | maemo.org has them |
| 18:09.14 | argonl | pope523_: right. no screen lighting up, no blue LED |
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| 18:09.55 | jku | argonl: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
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| 18:12.28 | pope523_ | Can someone help me with Windows file shares? |
| 18:12.30 | cyberholic | Good Evening every one! |
| 18:12.37 | cyberholic | pope: what do you mean? |
| 18:12.58 | pope523_ | Can't access password protected Windows file shares on my n800 w/ OS2008 |
| 18:13.23 | cyberholic | ah. sorry, i thought u were talking about a shared folder. No sorry, from my side i wont be of any help. |
| 18:13.48 | argonl | hmm, speedy download. |
| 18:14.23 | cyberholic | My question is: does anyone know of any site offering some vodcasts for the maemo videocenter? |
| 18:14.23 | jku | argonl, that would be a first one ever... |
| 18:14.40 | cyberholic | jku: :) |
| 18:14.43 | argonl | hehe |
| 18:15.04 | argonl | so just for fun i called nokia support.. their only answer was to ship it back |
| 18:15.15 | X-Fade_ | cyberholic: Sure, some Podshow shows for example. |
| 18:15.27 | X-Fade_ | argonl: Just flash the bootloader and your are done.. |
| 18:15.39 | X-Fade_ | argonl: No need to flash the entire image. |
| 18:15.43 | cyberholic | yes, but as videodownloads. I found vodcasts.tv etc, but most of the do not offer the maemo codecs.... looks so. |
| 18:15.44 | argonl | X-Fade_: too bad i can't just download the bootloader :) |
| 18:16.03 | X-Fade_ | argonl: Well, only download the first MB ;) |
| 18:16.20 | X-Fade_ | And split it yourself ;) |
| 18:16.20 | jku | X-Fade_, are you 100% sure the N800 comes with a new OS |
| 18:16.23 | argonl | hehe sounds risky to me. anyway, i assume this comes with os2008 anyway, which i'd rather have |
| 18:17.04 | X-Fade_ | jku: No, but that doesn't really matter. It is just the bootloader that has a race condition in bringing the OMAP cpu online.. |
| 18:18.08 | jku | yes but in that case he'd want to flash again in a short while anyway |
| 18:18.28 | jku | in the case of older OS, I mean |
| 18:18.37 | X-Fade_ | jku: Sure, but that would prove that it is just the bootloader ;) |
| 18:18.48 | jku | touche |
| 18:19.28 | argonl | i thought of that, but i'm not sure i care about isolating a known issue |
| 18:20.07 | argonl | its either really dead, or the bootloader, right? |
| 18:20.13 | X-Fade_ | argonl: A fair amount of people have that same problem and have all been reporting success after flashing. |
| 18:20.35 | argonl | since i saw the charging indicator animation and it showed battery full, i assume it is not entirely dead |
| 18:20.36 | X-Fade_ | argonl: Or the battery is dead? |
| 18:20.41 | X-Fade_ | Ah ;) |
| 18:22.31 | argonl | the booklet contains a rather antiquated warning "do not over-charge the battery" - is this really possible with this battery? |
| 18:22.58 | X-Fade_ | argonl: Nah, it just stops charging. |
| 18:23.28 | X-Fade_ | If you don't charge the battery manually and outside of a device. |
| 18:24.15 | X-Fade_ | These batteries can blow up if you use the wrong equipment. But it is not likely when using a Nokia device + Nokia charger. |
| 18:24.25 | Veggen | hmm. Strange ting happened: the field for package name in application manager suddenly became very narrow, and the version field fills almost whole width of screen...anyone seen that before? |
| 18:24.55 | jku | Veggen, some package has a ver long version string |
| 18:25.02 | jku | very, even |
| 18:25.26 | Veggen | well, yes. but it's not like I can stop it from having a long version string? ;) |
| 18:25.42 | jku | sure, it's a bug in AM |
| 18:25.54 | jku | not sure if it's in bugzilla already |
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| 18:27.48 | argonl | uh, home is "swap"? |
| 18:30.11 | argonl | so i've got it on usb, plugged in the charger, and nothing |
| 18:30.33 | argonl | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
| 18:30.49 | jku | and held power button? |
| 18:31.51 | argonl | no, instructions said "home", which i assumed was the key called "swap" in the "get started" guide |
| 18:32.05 | X-Fade_ | swap? |
| 18:32.10 | jku | weird? |
| 18:32.22 | jku | never heard it called that |
| 18:32.29 | argonl | so which key is "home"? |
| 18:32.40 | X-Fade_ | The one with the house on it? |
| 18:32.50 | argonl | figured. they call it swap :p |
| 18:32.59 | argonl | so i want to press and hold power and home? |
| 18:33.05 | jku | I guess it's used to swap applications |
| 18:33.44 | jku | just power has always been enough for me but try both |
| 18:34.13 | argonl | still nothing, where is the blue light supposed to be? |
| 18:34.20 | jku | I do remember the instructions talking about both |
| 18:34.32 | X-Fade_ | argonl: In the directional controls. It is aring.. |
| 18:34.33 | jku | the four-way rocker |
| 18:34.35 | X-Fade_ | a ring |
| 18:35.19 | argonl | nothing. should it be visible on the usb bus with just power and usb connected? |
| 18:35.33 | X-Fade_ | No.. |
| 18:35.41 | X-Fade_ | When you turn it on.. |
| 18:36.02 | argonl | no signs of life |
| 18:36.28 | X-Fade_ | Do you have usbfs available? |
| 18:36.49 | argonl | hmm, should have |
| 18:37.00 | argonl | whoa, signs of life |
| 18:37.00 | X-Fade_ | Just a thought. |
| 18:37.27 | argonl | if it hadn't been for the sudden noise from the hdd i would have missed it |
| 18:37.34 | X-Fade_ | Flashing? |
| 18:37.45 | argonl | and now music |
| 18:37.53 | jku | ooh |
| 18:37.57 | elb | argonl: you shouldn't have to push teh power button, when you plug in the charger it should automatically boot if the USB cable is plugged in |
| 18:38.15 | geaaru | i expanded dbus version (for example from 1.1.4 to 114) and i defined it as cflags -D__DBUS_VERSION=114 and on my sources i inserted |
| 18:38.19 | geaaru | #ifdef (__DBUS_VERSION__) && (__DBUS_VERSION__ <= 102) |
| 18:38.27 | elb | argonl: does it have a little usb logo in the top-right corner? |
| 18:38.32 | geaaru | but i have this error error: macro names must be identifiers |
| 18:38.50 | elb | geaaru: you can't use ifdef that way |
| 18:39.15 | elb | geaaru: use #if defined(__DBUS_VERSION__) && (__DBUS_VERSION <= 102) |
| 18:39.16 | geaaru | elb: thanks for reply, have you an idea to manage this operation? |
| 18:39.43 | geaaru | but #ifdef isn't equal to #if defined ? |
| 18:39.44 | X-Fade_ | Any people with their own repository or an extras repository upload account? |
| 18:39.52 | elb | or #ifdef __DBUS_VERSION__ \n #if (__DBUS_VERSION__ <= 102) \n |
| 18:40.00 | Tak | yes? |
| 18:40.05 | elb | #ifdef can't handle the && (other stuff) |
| 18:40.17 | X-Fade_ | Tak: Can you see if this survey works? https://garage.maemo.org/survey/survey.php?group_id=602&survey_id=13 |
| 18:40.23 | geaaru | ok i try, thank you very much |
| 18:40.41 | X-Fade_ | Tak: We are trying to get some info on developers' view about repos.. |
| 18:41.08 | X-Fade_ | Tak: I will post this on the list too, but it is just to test it for now ;) |
| 18:41.39 | argonl | elb: it did, with a green and then a blue progress bar. then some music and the hands. now i'm in setup |
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| 18:41.50 | elb | argonl: awesome, then you're flashed |
| 18:41.55 | elb | the flasher app should say so, right? |
| 18:42.04 | jku | X-Fade_, yeah it works |
| 18:42.14 | elb | argonl: with any luck, it will now boot without complaint |
| 18:42.28 | Tak | "dependency" and "problems" are misspelled in #6 |
| 18:42.57 | Tak | seems to have worked |
| 18:43.04 | Tak | it lets me submit multiple times... |
| 18:43.28 | X-Fade_ | Tak: Will fix those misspelled words.. |
| 18:43.49 | argonl | elb: we'll see in a moment |
| 18:44.30 | X-Fade_ | Tak: Yeah, gforge lets you actually take the survey multiple times. DUH :) |
| 18:45.21 | elb | argonl: good luck ;-) |
| 18:45.21 | argonl | whoa, this thing picks up a lot of networks i've never seen before |
| 18:45.32 | Tak | huzzah! |
| 18:46.10 | X-Fade_ | Tak, jku: Would you guys be interested to test the new promotion interface and autobuilder when they are ready for beta testing? :) |
| 18:46.37 | jku | X-Fade_, sure, no problem |
| 18:46.44 | argonl | hmm, it thinks its charging |
| 18:47.32 | argonl | elb: yes, it boots normally now :) |
| 18:48.44 | elb | argonl: awesome |
| 18:48.46 | X-Fade_ | jku: Ok, I will ping you when we have something that works. (Can be any day now) |
| 18:49.48 | Tak | X-Fade_: yeah |
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| 19:06.27 | argonl | thanks for the help folks :) |
| 19:07.36 | elb | don't be a stranger ;-) |
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| 19:07.53 | elb | I guess geaaru got his craps working, too |
| 19:08.43 | argonl | now if only they'll ship my router so i don't have to hold this thing out the window for connectivity |
| 19:09.29 | elb | heh |
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| 19:15.01 | argonl | how do you get rid of the keyboard if you decide you don't want to type? |
| 19:15.51 | mgedmin | there's a button in the bottom-right corner |
| 19:16.23 | argonl | ahh. no mouseoever means no tooltips :p |
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| 19:45.42 | kaie | I'm in a hotel in brussels for the fosdem conference. the wireless hotspot seems mostly fine, but I can not connect to cvs/dist. it just stalls. |
| 19:45.51 | kaie | argh. wrong channel |
| 19:46.04 | henrique | anyone have tried to setup a chat account in maemo sdk? I always got this: GLIB WARNING ** default - osso_cp_plugin_execute failed |
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| 20:20.22 | melmoth | Anybody doint python code with gettext ? |
| 20:20.31 | melmoth | I do not understand how to easily manager version of po files. |
| 20:20.58 | melmoth | Each time i launch pygettext.py, i loose all the transaltion i already made |
| 20:24.24 | mgedmin | I think it's the same as with gettext in C |
| 20:24.36 | mgedmin | you run gettext (or pygettext) to get a .pot file *that you never modify* |
| 20:24.58 | mgedmin | then you run msgmerge or something to merge translations from an older .po file to an up-to-date new .po file |
| 20:25.24 | mgedmin | by the way 'man pygettext' tells you "pygettext is deprecated. The current version of xgettext supports many languages, including Python." |
| 20:26.12 | melmoth | ag agn, msgmerge is what i was looking for. thanks |
| 20:26.38 | melmoth | ok, lets give xgettext a try then |
| 20:29.14 | melmoth | oh, xgettext comes with a -j option, i wonder if it makes msgmerge redundant |
| 20:31.45 | mgedmin | no |
| 20:32.01 | mgedmin | that's when you want a single .pot from multiple runs of xgettext on different source trees |
| 20:32.25 | mgedmin | you still need msgmerge |
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| 20:51.08 | GNUcoso | Hi |
| 20:55.56 | hrw | hi |
| 20:56.32 | GNUcoso | hey hrw!:) |
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| 20:59.54 | ekim|dt-linux | Yo people |
| 21:00.06 | ekim|dt-linux | I have a 770 , what can I do with the USB port |
| 21:00.20 | ekim|dt-linux | like can I use it like I would a regular usb port on linix |
| 21:00.21 | ekim|dt-linux | *linux |
| 21:00.24 | ekim|dt-linux | like mount drives and stuff |
| 21:00.37 | ekim|dt-linux | because it would be awesome to plug a cheap 2 gig thumb drive into my 770 |
| 21:00.41 | ekim|dt-linux | or a usb keyboard |
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| 21:01.51 | mgedmin | technically you can, but it's complicated |
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| 21:02.07 | mgedmin | very complicated |
| 21:02.14 | ekim|dt-linux | how is it complicated... |
| 21:02.23 | ekim|dt-linux | is there something special about the port |
| 21:02.28 | ekim|dt-linux | something non-standard |
| 21:02.44 | mgedmin | see http://tabletblog.com/2006/01/usb-power-injector-for-usb-host-mode.html |
| 21:02.58 | mgedmin | or maybe http://tabletblog.com/2006/01/usb-power-injector-2.html |
| 21:03.36 | ekim|dt-linux | that's a hardware hack... |
| 21:03.38 | ekim|dt-linux | I don't want that... |
| 21:03.47 | ekim|dt-linux | I just want to plug a usb keyboard into it |
| 21:03.52 | Tak | heh, nobody /wants/ that |
| 21:03.54 | ekim|dt-linux | I don't want to charge off of USB |
| 21:05.09 | ekim|dt-linux | I just want to get a mini-usb to usb adaptor and connect my dell usb keyboard into the 770 |
| 21:05.09 | mgedmin | some non-standard powered usb hubs can act as a replacement for the usb power injector |
| 21:05.09 | ekim|dt-linux | I don't want power over usb... |
| 21:05.09 | mgedmin | and then you'll need to hack the software |
| 21:05.09 | ekim|dt-linux | No...'cause its linux |
| 21:05.09 | mgedmin | the keyboard has to get power from usb |
| 21:05.18 | ekim|dt-linux | ohh...thats a good point ... dangit |
| 21:05.28 | mgedmin | maybe 770 itself will provide sufficient power for a keyboard, but not for anything more power-hungry |
| 21:05.31 | ekim|dt-linux | there is zero power in the 770 usb port... |
| 21:05.37 | ekim|dt-linux | all I want is a keyboard |
| 21:05.41 | mgedmin | or maybe that's n800/n810 |
| 21:05.54 | ekim|dt-linux | so I don't have to buy an uber expensive bluetooth one when I am sitting right next to it... |
| 21:06.19 | mgedmin | I tend to ssh into my 770 so that I could use a normal (laptop) keyboard ;) |
| 21:06.38 | mgedmin | s/my 770/my n800/ (although I also did that with the 770) |
| 21:06.43 | ekim|dt-linux | ohh also...I have 2008 HE on my 770 |
| 21:06.51 | ekim|dt-linux | it works great |
| 21:07.48 | Tak | yeah, I just flashed that yesterday |
| 21:08.06 | ekim|dt-linux | me too |
| 21:08.33 | ekim|dt-linux | so ... bottom line ... how can I get my standard USB keyboard to work on the 770 |
| 21:09.01 | Tak | bottom line...it's a hardware hack |
| 21:09.57 | ekim|dt-linux | how is it a hardware hack ? |
| 21:10.08 | ekim|dt-linux | I am not arguing , I just don't understand |
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| 21:16.08 | Tama^2 | Hola |
| 21:19.12 | T0b0tras | Evening |
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| 21:19.46 | BTobotras | Can I use the socket for interleaving read and write? |
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| 21:29.44 | elb | you're going to need to be more specific |
| 21:30.00 | elb | I think maybe you're asking about a stdio issue (?) |
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| 21:37.39 | Species8472 | hello |
| 21:37.42 | Species8472 | i have a quick question |
| 21:37.42 | BTobotras | elb: already catched my error: modem waits for "\r\n" and not for just "\n" I did :) |
| 21:37.54 | Species8472 | does windows vista run on N810? |
| 21:38.18 | Species8472 | anyone? |
| 21:39.40 | BTobotras | no, it doesn't |
| 21:39.48 | BTobotras | but why? |
| 21:40.09 | elb | BTobotras: ignore him, he's a troll |
| 21:40.44 | BTobotras | oh |
| 21:41.09 | BTobotras | Hmm, what does it mean for cell phone to show "D" before the number dialled? I just said "ATD#####" to it, but it doesn't voice call, it does something else... like data call? |
| 21:41.25 | elb | at commands will always be data calls |
| 21:41.31 | elb | or at least, ATD will |
| 21:41.35 | elb | ATD is dial data call |
| 21:41.49 | argonl | d stands for "dial" |
| 21:41.57 | BTobotras | Ouch. What if I want to progammatically dial voice call? :) |
| 21:42.19 | elb | I have no idea, that would be phone-specific |
| 21:42.43 | elb | you have to remember that AT commands are for hayes modems from like the late 80s, if not before ;-) |
| 21:43.30 | BTobotras | elb: that doesn't preclude us for using it for our modern cellulars :) |
| 21:43.48 | elb | right -- but the standard commands (like ATD) are all data-oriented |
| 21:44.10 | elb | there was a spate of "voice modems" on the market in the late 90s, some of them may have had voice-oriented commands |
| 21:44.14 | ekim|dt-linux | where is the mic on the 770 |
| 21:44.18 | ekim|dt-linux | Species8472, are you serious... |
| 21:44.27 | ekim|dt-linux | Species8472, come on really... |
| 21:44.30 | Species8472 | yes I like windows vista a lot |
| 21:44.37 | Species8472 | its the best windows |
| 21:44.38 | elb | ekim|dt-linux: stop, you're feeding a troll |
| 21:44.48 | ekim|dt-linux | so what position do you hold at microsoft ? |
| 21:44.56 | ekim|dt-linux | elb, good point sorry |
| 21:45.08 | Species8472 | im bill gates |
| 21:45.39 | Species8472 | steve will join us later |
| 21:47.29 | Species8472 | I really love my N810, it's just that it would be so much greater with windows vista |
| 21:49.51 | argonl | BTobotras: looks like you want to read 3GPP TS 27.007 |
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| 21:51.50 | Species8472 | hi pigeon |
| 21:51.55 | Species8472 | welcome |
| 21:51.59 | Navi | OMG TROLL |
| 21:52.04 | Navi | STFU NUB I KEEL U |
| 21:52.10 | BTobotras | argonl: thanks |
| 21:52.18 | Species8472 | learn english first you noob |
| 21:52.30 | ekim|dt-linux | Navi, he has a point... |
| 21:52.34 | Navi | Species8472, LOL TATS WAT SHE SED |
| 21:52.35 | Species8472 | you can only dream of evolving into a troll |
| 21:52.46 | Navi | Species8472, I'm telling the General on you :P |
| 21:52.58 | Species8472 | he's Steve you stupid |
| 21:53.14 | Species8472 | he all tricked you for so long |
| 21:53.26 | Navi | Wha? |
| 21:53.31 | Species8472 | his only goal here is to gain your trust and make everyone install windows vista |
| 21:53.40 | Navi | Lies! |
| 21:53.47 | pigeon | Species8472: hello |
| 21:54.00 | argonl | BTobotras: looks far too complicated :) |
| 21:54.06 | Species8472 | hey pigeon, dont listen to Navi and BTobotras, they are trolls |
| 21:54.22 | Navi | >_> |
| 21:54.26 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, do something! |
| 21:54.32 | Navi | Murder foods! |
| 21:54.47 | BTobotras | argonl: no :) |
| 21:55.52 | pupnik | this channel is logged and google-searchable |
| 21:56.10 | Species8472 | good |
| 21:56.33 | Species8472 | im soo going to sue you |
| 21:57.22 | Navi | Species8472, omg stfu nub |
| 21:57.49 | Species8472 | stop trolling now Navi |
| 21:58.02 | Navi | Species8472, no u stop trolling |
| 21:58.20 | Species8472 | Cant stop something I ain't doing you fool |
| 21:58.33 | Navi | Species8472, wel u r troling |
| 21:59.02 | Species8472 | that's heracy |
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| 21:59.17 | BTobotras | argonl: but my nokia doesn't seem to comply :( |
| 21:59.38 | Navi | s/heracy/heresy/ |
| 21:59.39 | Species8472 | he owns nokia? |
| 22:00.50 | Species8472 | LOL = laughing out loud, TATS = that's?, WAT = what?, SED = said? |
| 22:01.17 | argonl | BTobotras: hmm, what did you send? atd1234567; ? |
| 22:01.21 | Navi | Species8472, ya |
| 22:01.23 | Species8472 | STFU NUB I KEEL U = shut the fuck up noob I kill you? |
| 22:01.35 | Navi | ya |
| 22:01.39 | Species8472 | in that case, you phail |
| 22:01.48 | lcuk_2 | Species8472, i think i can find a way for you to run vista on 810 :) |
| 22:01.49 | BTobotras | argonl: yes, but at+fclass=8 prior to that to make it voice call. ERROR :( |
| 22:01.59 | Navi | Species8472, no u fail |
| 22:02.09 | Species8472 | awesome, can you provide me with some steps on how to do it? |
| 22:03.21 | lcuk_2 | yer, just goto http://www.oqo.com/ and buy a vista model. unfortunately they are about 5 times as much as the nokia devices, but you will have a better life. |
| 22:03.59 | argonl | BTobotras: try it without the +fclass |
| 22:04.13 | lcuk_2 | i forgot to mention if you want it to still be an 810 then pencil out the oqo logo and write model number required |
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| 22:05.19 | BTobotras | argonl: it enters data call mode. |
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| 22:06.08 | BTobotras | argonl: it says it only supports +FCLASS=0 :( |
| 22:06.20 | argonl | BTobotras: try a AT+CLCC right after the dial command |
| 22:06.25 | lcuk_2 | now, onto important stuff - i spent all last night coding up something based on the linux "mmap()" function only to find windows/mingw doesnt have it. gahhhhh i thought the c libraries were cross compatible |
| 22:06.28 | Species8472 | Ok im going to buy one, who wants to have my N810? |
| 22:06.50 | argonl | BTobotras: +CLCC: <id>,<dir>,<stat>,<mode>,<mpty>[,<number>,<type>] |
| 22:07.07 | BTobotras | argonl: I see |
| 22:07.23 | argonl | BTobotras: mode? 0=voice, 1=data, 2=fax |
| 22:09.02 | BTobotras | argonl: weird, it says voice |
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| 22:09.50 | argonl | interesting |
| 22:11.30 | argonl | BTobotras: it only listed one call, right? |
| 22:11.57 | BTobotras | argonl: yep |
| 22:11.58 | argonl | here is a document for Nokia phones: http://sw.nokia.com/id/95672052-6c77-488d-a055-acef77e4cdc5/AT_Command_Set_For_Nokia_GSM_And_WCDMA_Products_v1_2_en.pdf |
| 22:13.53 | argonl | this search reveals others: http://www.forum.nokia.com/search/?keywords=at+command+set&x=0&y=0&=GO |
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| 22:15.04 | BTobotras | argonl: I dreamt about portable program :) |
| 22:17.06 | argonl | heh the document says "The DCE shall recognize the value 8 as the Voice Mode." |
| 22:17.32 | BTobotras | argonl: at+fclass=? returns 0 only ;) |
| 22:18.13 | argonl | is this an old phone? |
| 22:18.33 | BTobotras | argonl: nope, 6021 |
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| 22:24.34 | BTobotras | argonl: got it :) |
| 22:24.44 | BTobotras | argonl: you make a voice call by atd#####; |
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| 22:26.39 | argonl | BTobotras: yes, but you said that didn't work... :) |
| 22:26.55 | Tanora | Hello, I wouldn't suppose anybody would be able to direct me on how to rebuild a Tinyfugue .deb for Chinook? |
| 22:27.22 | BTobotras | argonl: note semicolon |
| 22:27.32 | BTobotras | argonl: arghh, you showed me that! |
| 22:28.12 | argonl | :) |
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| 22:33.20 | BTobotras | Okay, now where do I find BT addresses of already paired devices without doing actual scan?.. |
| 22:35.37 | BTobotras | Aieee, d-bus marshalling... |
| 22:38.22 | Tanora | Does anybody know about a muck/mush/mud client for the N800 Chinook? |
| 22:40.25 | argonl | of that i have no idea.. there is some information about the bluetooth capabilities in that hayes command set book, search for HFP |
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| 22:48.39 | lcuk_2 | is filelength(..) missing from the std c library or am i just being thick? |
| 22:49.21 | BTobotras | fstat |
| 22:50.50 | lcuk_2 | thats not cross platform though is it? its not avail in mingw (im thinking ahead a little..). i had to rip out some base mmap stuff because of that, and fstat went with it |
| 22:51.35 | lcuk_2 | i spotted the replacement people were suggesting and it works in mingw, but not from gcc |
| 22:51.50 | lcuk_2 | unless of course im missing an obvious parameter for gcc |
| 22:52.06 | lcuk_2 | gcc -lX11 -lXext -lXv -lSDL -o liqxv liqxv.o |
| 22:52.06 | lcuk_2 | liqxv.o: In function `book_open':liqxv.c:(.text+0x41c): undefined reference to `filelength' |
| 22:52.20 | pupnik | lcuk_2: did you hear that two guys have disassembled two x86 video games and rewritten them in ARM assembly? |
| 22:52.22 | lcuk_2 | (yes, i know there are 3 graphics libraries there..) |
| 22:52.39 | lcuk_2 | that sounds nice |
| 22:52.53 | pupnik | we're not talking 8kB games either |
| 22:52.57 | lcuk_2 | i once wanted to do that from m68k to x86 |
| 22:53.39 | lcuk_2 | but dont most games now just use gl or dx and so its only a core 8kb logic processing section to rebuild ;) |
| 22:53.51 | pupnik | no idea about the qxv thing |
| 22:54.15 | lcuk_2 | how well do the games work? |
| 22:55.01 | lcuk_2 | and cant the principle go further - take ANY binary and convert - sure the api would need a rebuild, but thats what wine is for |
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| 22:57.53 | pupnik | lcuk_2: it's very complicated in the general sense |
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| 23:09.52 | unique311 | pupnik, ping |
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| 23:39.45 | unique311 | pupnik, getting an error when i run fc |
| 23:39.58 | unique311 | Error opening "1"! |
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| 23:54.28 | dospod | Hey |
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| 23:57.35 | dospod | anybody know which gbc emulator s the best |