IRC log for #maemo on 20080221

`00:00.53`	`pupnik`	`apt-get install --reinstall osso-esd`
`00:01.02`	`pupnik`	`Reinstallation of osso-esd is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.`
`00:01.16`	`Navi`	`God damn, APT has long-ass options.`
`00:01.28`	`Navi`	`APT is going to give me RSI.`
`00:01.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Alias, Navi. :P`
`00:02.07`	`Navi`	`Too lazy.`
`00:02.19`	`Navi`	`Not like I run debian or anything.`
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`00:15.28`	`pupnik`	`hey GeneralAntilles if you do /etc/init.d/esd restart do you hear a bunch of beeps?`
`00:16.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nope`
`00:16.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just the normal background hiss when a sound goes off.`
`00:17.42`	`pupnik`	`you have os2008?`
`00:17.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah`
`00:19.37`	`pupnik`	`oki thanks... restored my libesd0 manually`
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`00:50.52`	`icebattle`	`sorry to repeat a question, but has anyone here experience in developing for maemo with gcj or fpc?`
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`01:00.00`	`pupnik`	`what's that?`
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`01:05.51`	`Navi`	`pupnik, you've toyed around with snes emulation, right?`
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`01:32.51`	`elb`	`do any of these emulation packages take advantage of the DSP?`
`01:34.03`	`icebattle`	`gcj is the gnu java compiler (builds native executables) fpc = free pascal`
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`01:48.27`	`pupnik`	`elb only for scaling the display`
`01:58.10`	`lcuk_2`	`the display scaling should be on the lcd (at least for the YUV formats, i am playing with xv at the moment and its just auto scaling directly after getting the lower res data over the bus`
`01:59.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's nice . . . but when do I get an auto-scrolling book reader? :P`
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`01:59.14`	`lcuk_2`	`im looking at one without fonts at the moment..`
`01:59.54`	`johnx`	`GeneralAntilles, vote against the "somtimes cursor keys stick" bug? :P`
`01:59.58`	`lcuk_2`	`im working on a dual level scrolling since its tough to get smoothness (its about 10fps so far) at full res`
`02:00.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Good thing you can't vote against bugs.`
`02:00.24`	`Tama^2`	`johnx: all keys sometimes stick!`
`02:00.43`	`Tama^2`	`I mean, not only when you cover them in molasses`
`02:00.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Else I'm sure the green-nicks would've banded together to annihilate my "Unplug charger BS" bug.`
`02:00.49`	`elb`	`doesn't fbreader auto-scroll?`
`02:01.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not as far as I've ever been able to divine, elb.`
`02:01.13`	`elb`	`does the unplug charger message offend you?`
`02:01.20`	`lcuk_2`	`because a renderer for YUV must actually render at 2 distinct levels - 1 set for 800480 and another (the color planes) are 400240`
`02:01.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes.`
`02:01.25`	`elb`	`hmm, I thought I saw auto-scroll preferences`
`02:01.27`	`Tama^2`	`it says to unplug to 'save power' lol`
`02:01.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It gets in the way when I'm trying to use the tablet.`
`02:01.36`	`lcuk_2`	`elb, its line scrolling and it hurts your eyes`
`02:01.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Unplug the thing and I've got to wait 5 seconds to close whatever application happens to be open.`
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`02:02.21`	`elb`	`oh, so it's its position or modality which offends you?`
`02:02.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's a lot of things.`
`02:02.42`	`lcuk_2`	`because whatever i render must already be halved im gonna try to switch from high resolution static page to half resolution scrolling page after the user clicks...`
`02:02.47`	`elb`	`Tama^2: wall warts burn a disturbing amount of energy doing nothing`
`02:02.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's the usability impact, it's the hypocrisy.`
`02:02.48`	`johnx`	`I just thought about it...other alerts are shifted down a couple pixels for exactly that reason, aren't they?`
`02:02.58`	`elb`	`Nokia could have just shipped a wall wart which didn't do that, but they aparently did not`
`02:03.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`elb, Nokia's wallwarts burn just about zero.`
`02:03.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They switch.`
`02:03.23`	`elb`	`GeneralAntilles: you've said that before -- but my wife's Nokia phone wall wart burns quite a bit`
`02:03.30`	`elb`	`it's warm to the touch with nothing plugged in`
`02:03.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`How about your N810 charger?`
`02:03.41`	`Tama^2`	`it looked like my nokia one was one of those that do now burn too much power`
`02:03.42`	`elb`	`they pretty much all switch, that's not the whole story`
`02:03.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Even so, I still don't need my tablet telling me to unplug shit.`
`02:03.58`	`pupnik`	`i enjoy knowing that my useless wall warts are contributing to the heat-death of the universe`
`02:04.03`	`elb`	`the n810 charger is at least cool to the touch`
`02:04.16`	`elb`	`but still, it could be burning nearly the charging power of the n810 and remain relatively cool`
`02:04.25`	`Tama^2`	`pupnik: Chaos and decay, I say! the way to go`
`02:04.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`A number of people on ITT have measured its usage at idle at zero.`
`02:04.37`	`johnx`	`mine are just contributing to keeping my apt above freezing O_o`
`02:04.38`	`elb`	`(I unplug wall warts as a matter of habit, anyway)`
`02:04.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But that's still not the point.`
`02:04.54`	`elb`	`a number of people on ITT believe that their power button has a G-spot`
`02:04.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I don't need my tablet telling me how to use my electronics.`
`02:05.02`	`elb`	`that seems relevant here ;-)`
`02:05.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hardly.`
`02:05.25`	`elb`	`I take everything I see on ITT with a liberal dosage of salt`
`02:05.49`	`elb`	`I guess I agree that there's no need for the tablet to preach, but I haven't noticed the message being bothersome`
`02:05.56`	`pupnik`	`damned fceu. dsmn it damn it damnit. it's pushing 30fps now but the sound buffer has errors at the edges`
`02:05.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It is.`
`02:06.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If Nokia ACTUALLY gave a shit, they wouldn't manufacture billions of disposable phones a year.`
`02:06.30`	`elb`	`with proprietary power cells`
`02:06.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's a stupid, usability impacting message.`
`02:06.33`	`elb`	`don't forget that part`
`02:06.48`	`elb`	`and proprietary power supplies`
`02:06.57`	`elb`	`both of which contribute to waste in a huge way`
`02:07.05`	`lcuk_2`	`but their phones do the job, just like a screwdriver. but you know, people want new screwdrivers.`
`02:08.55`	`elb`	`I dunno, I basically keep my phones until they die`
`02:09.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'd also like the stupid liability waver to go away in App Manager.`
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`02:09.10`	`SDuensin`	`Good evening.`
`02:09.31`	`elb`	`ironically, I've noticed a tendency for Americans to do that, but Europeans and the Japanese (I can't speak to other Asian cultures) to replace their phones constantly`
`02:09.57`	`johnx`	`as long as we're doing wish-list style stuff, I'd like almost all the confirmation stuff to go away on most of the tablet`
`02:10.02`	`elb`	`(the irony being that we actually have a place to put all the old discarded phones, whereas Europe and Japan -- no so much)`
`02:10.13`	`SDuensin`	`I came in late, but I assume you mean hanging on to cell phones. It's because Americans get SCREWED when they change phones.`
`02:10.22`	`elb`	`SDuensin: yes and no`
`02:10.32`	`elb`	`American cell phones are no more expensive than European cell phones`
`02:10.34`	`elb`	`in my experience`
`02:10.37`	`Tama^2`	`believe me, Italians are techno-feticists`
`02:10.44`	`Tama^2`	`a new phone every 6 months`
`02:10.59`	`SDuensin`	`No, but if you so much as think about getting a new phone in America, the carrier locks you into another full-term contract.`
`02:11.06`	`elb`	`no, that's not true`
`02:11.12`	`elb`	`unless you want to get a reduced price`
`02:11.19`	`elb`	`the thing is, in Europe you simply always pay full price`
`02:11.22`	`johnx`	`well at least in Japan, new features are being introduced constantly and marketed`
`02:11.42`	`SDuensin`	`I'd rather pay full price and have a carrier that treated me like an actual customer.`
`02:11.53`	`elb`	`you can do that here with several carriers`
`02:12.15`	`SDuensin`	`Oh yea, they'll let me pay full-price. They won't treat me any differently though. :-(`
`02:12.17`	`elb`	`pay full price for a GSM phone and then walk into an AT&T shop with it, for example`
`02:12.33`	`elb`	`you can sign up with no contract, etc. etc.`
`02:12.36`	`SDuensin`	`Oh man. There's a reason AT&T's logo is the Death Star. :-)`
`02:12.51`	`elb`	`and our contracts are actually pretty good, in world-wide comparison, too`
`02:12.58`	`elb`	`SMS is stupid expensive, of course`
`02:13.05`	`SDuensin`	`Yea. That baffles me.`
`02:13.06`	`elb`	`but that's OK -- talking voice is ~free!`
`02:13.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`SMS is stupid, anyway.`
`02:13.32`	`elb`	`yes and no, SMS has its place`
`02:13.36`	`Navi`	`I always get unlocked phones`
`02:13.38`	`elb`	`but not at $0.20 a pop or whatever`
`02:13.40`	`johnx`	`GeneralAntilles, and you use what for short text messages from a phone?`
`02:13.44`	`SDuensin`	`Yea, but I can SMS in the middle of a boring meeting. :-)`
`02:13.45`	`Navi`	`but they have premiums associated with them in the US`
`02:13.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nothing`
`02:13.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I call people. :P`
`02:14.07`	`Navi`	`you can get a phone that's carrier locked for a discount, or a phone that's more expensive than it should be.`
`02:14.07`	`elb`	`Navi: with many carriers, you can have your phone unlocked for any number of reasons, for free`
`02:14.30`	`elb`	`that phone that's "more expensive than it should be" is indeed more expensive than it should be, but it's world-wide competitive`
`02:14.30`	`johnx`	`if that works for you then more power to you, many people do like being able to send short text messages :P`
`02:14.34`	`elb`	`(I was shocked to find this out)`
`02:14.43`	`SDuensin`	`Verizon lobotomized my RAZR. I can't do crap with it without paying them an insane fee.`
`02:14.59`	`elb`	`no, now you're (probably) talking about data services`
`02:15.12`	`elb`	`that's not a phone issue`
`02:15.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Verizon is pretty much the worst of the bunch.`
`02:15.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Don't extrapolate Verizon experiences to the rest of the market.`
`02:15.30`	`johnx`	`SDuensin, I think that's one of big reasons why as a whole american's aren't interested in new phones...they don't get anything out of the deal unless they pay more anyways`
`02:15.34`	`SDuensin`	`No, I'm talking them ripping the OBEX code and other features out of the phone.`
`02:15.35`	`johnx`	`or at least, that's the perception...`
`02:15.42`	`elb`	`well, I don't knwo about "worst", they're all pretty bad ;-)`
`02:15.47`	`SDuensin`	`Not just switched off, mind you. Removed.`
`02:15.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Verizon has custom firmware on all their handsets.`
`02:16.02`	`elb`	`SDuensin: oh, well, I've never seen anything like that`
`02:16.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Feature-reduced custom firmware.`
`02:16.13`	`Navi`	`heh`
`02:16.18`	`SDuensin`	`Yea. I noticed. :-(`
`02:16.23`	`elb`	`most carriers have "custom firmware", but the custom firmware is really just a set of images, sounds, and feature switches for a standard firmware`
`02:16.37`	`elb`	`they call them 'SEEM's or something, at least for Motorola phones`
`02:16.55`	`SDuensin`	`I did a SEEM edit to turn OBEX back on. No dice. The software actually isn't there.`
`02:17.07`	`elb`	`yeah, I've never seen that`
`02:17.07`	`Navi`	`suxxorz`
`02:17.10`	`elb`	`but I don't deal with VZ`
`02:17.19`	`SDuensin`	`elb, good idea. Avoid VZ.`
`02:17.26`	`elb`	`mostly just because their service is crappy, not because of things like that`
`02:17.40`	`SDuensin`	`I may try and flash it back to standard firmware now that I paid to get my photos out of the crazy thing.`
`02:18.06`	`elb`	`VZ and Sprint are problematic in that their phones are not radio-compatible with other carriers`
`02:18.15`	`elb`	`the GSM carriers at least have that going for them`
`02:18.20`	`SDuensin`	`Kicker is, when I got the phone, I looked at the box, read the book. No mention of bastardized firmware. When I found out and called to complain, they just don't care.`
`02:18.22`	`Navi`	`Eh, all Bell-derived carriers are evil anyways`
`02:18.30`	`elb`	`and VZ even sounds like a bucket of crap like GSM, so you're not even winning on that front ;-)`
`02:18.39`	`johnx`	`yeah, really. the sooner CDMA (and other proprietary cruft) dies off, the better`
`02:18.52`	`SDuensin`	`elb, yea. So far, it looks like "4G" networks will finally use all the same radios.`
`02:19.14`	`elb`	`well, GSM has moved to CDMA, is basically what's happened`
`02:19.24`	`elb`	`it really is a superior technology`
`02:19.49`	`elb`	`(that is, spread-spectrum versus time-division; not the other crap they layer on top)`
`02:20.11`	`SDuensin`	`Anyway, sorry to come in yelling. :-)`
`02:20.24`	`elb`	`GSM as a standard got a lot of things right that the CDMA implementations (e.g., PCS) didn't`
`02:20.35`	`elb`	`unfortunately it sounds like butt, but you can't have everything ;-)`
`02:21.47`	`elb`	`W-CDMA is GSM`
`02:22.02`	`elb`	`3G GSM is code division (spread spectrum) instead of time division like 2G GSM`
`02:22.09`	`johnx`	`yeah, that's what I thought`
`02:22.11`	`elb`	`spread spectrum is simply a better plan`
`02:22.42`	`elb`	`it's unfortunate that 'CDMA' was used opposite 'GSM', because they really aren't opposing acronyms`
`02:22.50`	`johnx`	`ah`
`02:22.53`	`elb`	`it should have been "PCS" and "GSM", and "CDMA" and "TDMA"`
`02:23.04`	`elb`	`or whatever; VZ isn't PCS, but it's also a CDMA radio`
`02:23.12`	`johnx`	`special`
`02:23.12`	`SDuensin`	`TMI`
`02:23.37`	`johnx`	`and then Japan throws PHS in the mix, which IIRC still uses WCDMA for 3G`
`02:24.21`	`elb`	`I think all of the 3G services are WCDMA`
`02:25.25`	`johnx`	`but there are different incompatible implementations?`
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`02:25.28`	`elb`	`"CDMA" is just an acronym that means spread-spectrum, and "W" just means wide band -- so any high-bandwidth spread spectrum phone is goign to be W-CDMA`
`02:25.43`	`johnx`	`alright, makes sense`
`02:25.43`	`elb`	`there are different protocols running on top of the radios`
`02:26.01`	`johnx`	`aaah`
`02:26.16`	`elb`	`there are also different methods of spread spectrum, I don't know how well "W-CDMA" is standardized`
`02:27.10`	`elb`	`that is, it's a generic term, but the industry may use it to mean a single radio protocol`
`02:27.18`	`johnx`	`aah, nice`
`02:27.26`	`elb`	`yeah`
`02:27.35`	`elb`	`telecommunications standards are notoriously horrible`
`02:27.42`	`johnx`	`it always seems like the more I learn about something the more it seems like a complete cluster*&%`
`02:27.57`	`elb`	`of course :-)`
`02:28.03`	`johnx`	`heh`
`02:28.09`	`elb`	`anything designed by international committtee is going to be a pile of vomit`
`02:29.02`	`johnx`	`well, designed and then somewhat ignored to varying degrees over the course of years`
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`02:40.54`	`nwidger`	`where can i find the changelog for the new OS2008 flash?`
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`02:48.41`	`_darc`	`hey everyone`
`02:48.53`	`johnx`	`hey`
`02:49.26`	`_darc`	`could you possibly link me to a site that would tell me how to flash my n810 with the latest 08 build please?`
`02:50.06`	`johnx`	`from windows, mac or linux?`
`02:50.10`	`_darc`	`windows`
`02:50.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You try Nokia support?`
`02:51.06`	`_darc`	`no not yet`
`02:51.22`	`_darc`	`ive been poking around on itT and couldnt find what i needed`
`02:51.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Have you considered trying Nokia support?`
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`02:51.53`	`johnx`	`_darc, didn't it come with some tool like "software updater"?`
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`02:52.17`	`_darc`	`i didnt get a cd or anything with mine`
`02:52.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's right on Nokia's support page for the N810.`
`02:52.52`	`_darc`	`on there now, thanks Ant`
`02:52.56`	`_darc`	`and john`
`02:53.34`	`johnx`	`hmm...honestly "flash n810 windows" doesn't come up with many results on google`
`02:53.56`	`_darc`	`yea =/`
`02:54.11`	`johnx`	`"software update n810 site:nokia.com" :)`
`02:54.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's interesting how support for a lot of things has drifted very far away from the manufacturers.`
`02:54.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Firs thought is community support rather than manufacturer support.`
`02:55.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`(since manufacturer support usually sucks)`
`02:55.11`	`Proteous`	`the maemo.org wiki has good info`
`02:55.13`	`johnx`	`yes, that's exactly the problem`
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`02:55.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`ITT wiki has good info, too.`
`02:55.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and the ITT forums.`
`02:55.35`	`_darc`	`yea, i just started on the forums`
`02:55.47`	`_darc`	`i see a lot of your posts there actually`
`02:55.55`	`johnx`	`even after company "support" websites are starting to get better, people still naturally avoid them`
`02:56.00`	`johnx`	`saving them for a "last resort"`
`02:56.30`	`_darc`	`im assuming flashing is like reformatting right?`
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`02:56.38`	`_darc`	`lose all the stuff on there etc...`
`02:56.44`	`johnx`	`yup, the device is wiped clean`
`02:56.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, except for the cards.`
`02:56.54`	`johnx`	`only thing you don't lose is the lock code`
`02:57.06`	`_darc`	`ok`
`02:57.07`	`johnx`	`aaah...right, N810`
`02:57.26`	`_darc`	`ive been having all kinds of funky problems`
`02:57.35`	`johnx`	`such as?`
`02:57.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`On one hand it's kinda sad that support has drifted from manufacturers since their support usually sucks`
`02:57.53`	`_darc`	`well i tried to install rtcomm update 2`
`02:57.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but on the other hand, it's also a good thing is the community is usually a lot more agile.`
`02:57.58`	`_darc`	`and it snowballed from there`
`02:58.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The rtcomm beta seems to be beta for a reason. ;)`
`02:58.16`	`johnx`	`I blame it on liability concerns...`
`02:58.22`	`_darc`	`yea i know its in beta`
`02:58.32`	`_darc`	`but i think im on an older 08 build anyways`
`02:58.39`	`johnx`	`ah`
`02:58.41`	`_darc`	`so i figured it couldnt hurt to update =)`
`02:58.49`	`johnx`	`that would probably be good :)`
`02:59.26`	`_darc`	`it wont even let me do system updates`
`02:59.35`	`_darc`	`says im missing a butt load of lib files`
`02:59.51`	`johnx`	`did you a lot of repositories?`
`03:00.43`	`_darc`	`add a lot?`
`03:01.16`	`johnx`	`if you don't know what a repository is, then don't worry about it, because you didn't :)`
`03:01.26`	`_darc`	`i know what they are`
`03:01.33`	`_darc`	`i didnt understand your question`
`03:02.02`	`johnx`	`did you add many repositories`
`03:02.05`	`_darc`	`ahh`
`03:02.09`	`_darc`	`a few yes`
`03:02.29`	`johnx`	`sometimes there can be conflicts between different repositories`
`03:03.06`	`_darc`	`oh...well i didnt know that =)`
`03:03.25`	`johnx`	`"now you know! and knowledge is power!" :D`
`03:03.32`	`_darc`	`lol`
`03:03.43`	`_darc`	`im sure there is some deep explanation as to why`
`03:03.56`	`_darc`	`i guess i dont see how that would have caused a problem`
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`03:04.28`	`johnx`	`well, basically two slightly different versions of a package can conflict with each other or be otherwise incompatible`
`03:04.37`	`_darc`	`oh ok`
`03:04.40`	`_darc`	`OHHH`
`03:04.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Were you trying to upgrade Operating System in Red Pill?`
`03:04.58`	`_darc`	`right i get it now. <---slow`
`03:05.04`	`_darc`	`yes i was`
`03:05.14`	`_darc`	`after everything else wouldnt work`
`03:05.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, bad plan.`
`03:05.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Red Pill should be OFF 99% of the time.`
`03:05.44`	`_darc`	`yea i turned it off`
`03:05.54`	`_darc`	`after it wouldnt work there either, i was taking a shot in the dark`
`03:06.01`	`johnx`	`sometimes the answer isn't to try and force things. :) red pill mode is like a big freaking sledge hammer`
`03:06.12`	`_darc`	`lol`
`03:07.50`	`_darc`	`ok ill avoid using that then`
`03:07.58`	`Navi`	`heh`
`03:08.26`	`Navi`	`PPL TAT RECOMEND RED PIL IZ TEH WINDOWZ USERZ!!!!!!111ONEONEONEE`
`03:09.44`	`johnx`	`I seriously wonder why they didn't follow the synaptic "workflow" a little more when they did application manager`
`03:09.54`	`johnx`	`it really couldn't have been much harder...`
`03:10.15`	`Navi`	`meh`
`03:10.43`	`Navi`	`What bothers me is the ubuntized repo style.`
`03:10.59`	`johnx`	`ubuntuized?`
`03:11.17`	`Navi`	`Well, perhaps it's a bit more broad than just Ubuntu`
`03:11.40`	`johnx`	`ah, a repository for every app?`
`03:11.45`	`Navi`	`Yes`
`03:11.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`App Manager is open.`
`03:11.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody needs to man up and fix it.`
`03:11.56`	`johnx`	`ahahah...ahaha`
`03:12.08`	`j0tt`	`i would just delete it :p`
`03:12.13`	`Navi`	`^_^`
`03:12.14`	`johnx`	`that pretty much seals it`
`03:13.03`	`johnx`	`j0tt, if they made app manager work better, lots of users wouldn't driven to the command line...`
`03:13.35`	`j0tt`	`i would have to be driven away from the command line in the first place g`
`03:13.59`	`johnx`	`obviously you're not using an onscreen keyboard`
`03:14.12`	`Navi`	`It's bad enough on the keyboard.`
`03:14.40`	`Navi`	`Though, there are always aliases that I'm always too lazy to bother to set up`
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`03:16.15`	`j0tt`	`Navi: that's why tab was invented :)`
`03:17.07`	`Navi`	`pfft`
`03:17.13`	`Navi`	`you can only tab so many times`
`03:17.14`	`j0tt`	`apt-g[tab] i[tab] packa[tab] ;)`
`03:17.17`	`_darc`	`what is the swap button?`
`03:17.29`	`Navi`	`it's faster to type out apt-get than it is to apt-g<tab>`
`03:18.01`	`johnx`	`and the tab adds a space too, for free :)`
`03:19.41`	`j0tt`	`and magically browses through the package list :)`
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`03:24.24`	`_darc`	`wow that didnt take long to do`
`03:24.40`	`johnx`	`the USB connection is pretty fast :)`
`03:25.13`	`_darc`	`yea it said 20 minutes, only took about 5`
`03:25.57`	`j0tt`	`much better than the other way around :)`
`03:29.08`	`_darc`	`have any of you played with VNC viewer and computers using active directoy auth.?`
`03:30.47`	`johnx`	`you might not find a whole bunch of windows admins here :) (no harm in asking of course...)`
`03:31.09`	`j0tt`	`on windows i would use rdp anyway..`
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`03:31.27`	`_darc`	`we have that as a backup`
`03:31.34`	`_darc`	`use ultra vnc on our network`
`03:31.44`	`j0tt`	`why backup? it's atleast encrypted somehow :P`
`03:31.52`	`_darc`	`so is ultra vnc`
`03:31.56`	`j0tt`	`ah i see`
`03:32.08`	`j0tt`	`just spare the cal :P`
`03:32.23`	`_darc`	`hehe`
`03:35.01`	`_darc`	`welp thanks for the help guys, have a good evening`
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`03:37.20`	`Navi`	`Ha`
`03:37.26`	`Navi`	`X forwarding > rdp :D`
`03:37.50`	`johnx`	`Navi, actually, some of Nokia's stuff really doesn't play nice with X forwarding`
`03:38.03`	`Navi`	`ssh is still sexier, anyways.`
`03:38.12`	`johnx`	`it's true :)`
`03:38.15`	`j0tt`	`and x forwarding is slow :/.. if it's not NX`
`03:38.45`	`j0tt`	`yeah.. ssh is the way to go ;)`
`03:38.52`	`johnx`	`it depends on bandwidth and latency`
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`03:39.10`	`johnx`	`I used to use gimp over the LAN`
`03:39.15`	`Navi`	`lol`
`03:39.24`	`j0tt`	`yeah if you have infinte bandwidth and 0 latency it tends to get quite fast :P`
`03:39.37`	`johnx`	`well, that's what it was designed for :)`
`03:39.51`	`johnx`	`and if you have infinite bandwidth and 0 latency RDP and VNC will still be slow`
`03:39.53`	`j0tt`	`but indeed.. using X via lan is acceptable ;)`
`03:40.08`	`j0tt`	`hehe ;)`
`03:40.19`	`Navi`	`:3`
`03:40.28`	`johnx`	`at least it scales`
`03:41.01`	`j0tt`	`indeed.. but for normal low bandwith, high latency connections rdp is not bad...`
`03:41.09`	`j0tt`	`bandwidth`
`03:41.25`	`johnx`	`I'll agree with that`
`03:41.34`	`johnx`	`not that there's anything to RDP to on this network...`
`03:41.37`	`j0tt`	`(though you have just some bad targets to connect to ;>`
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`03:43.11`	`tigrux`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCa6NQQRYy8`
`03:43.21`	`tigrux`	`tablet-tuber, i uploaded a video. :)`
`03:43.27`	`johnx`	`very recursive :)`
`03:43.29`	`johnx`	`I approve`
`03:43.37`	`j0tt`	`i just had the same thought johnx ;)`
`03:44.06`	`j0tt`	`use tablet-tuber to watch a video of how tablet-tuber looks ;)`
`03:44.08`	`johnx`	`did you get it sped up?`
`03:44.19`	`tigrux`	`Nope. :(`
`03:44.28`	`tigrux`	`Any hints?`
`03:44.31`	`johnx`	`ah...I thought it looked faster for a second :/`
`03:44.45`	`johnx`	`my only thought would be that you could embed mplayer instead of gstreamer`
`03:44.45`	`tigrux`	`johnx: Some videos are, others are slow.`
`03:45.09`	`j0tt`	`i still suspect some buffering issue ..`
`03:45.09`	`tigrux`	`johnx: I don't think mplayer can be scripted with python. Is it?`
`03:45.10`	`johnx`	`it's funny because it seems like ones with less motion play better, which would point to CPU limitations...`
`03:45.37`	`j0tt`	`gstreamer was not made for streaming media :P`
`03:45.52`	`tigrux`	`j0tt: But it works!`
`03:45.55`	`johnx`	`mplayer has a slave mode, but I admittedly don't know much about it`
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`03:46.25`	`j0tt`	`you can control mplayer via stdin`
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`03:46.59`	`j0tt`	`there probably is a python framework for it`
`03:48.03`	`j0tt`	`http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyMPlayer/ ?! dunno..`
`03:48.32`	`j0tt`	`http://unplug.eee.upd.edu.ph/pymplayer/ thats the real homepage`
`03:48.32`	`tigrux`	`j0tt: I am loyal to the gnome platform.`
`03:48.41`	`j0tt`	`yuk :p`
`03:48.48`	`tigrux`	`:P`
`03:49.22`	`Navi`	`tigrux, PyMPlayer is a wrapper you can use with python`
`03:50.10`	`Navi`	`gnome devs suck, they support OOXML.`
`03:50.29`	`tigrux`	`Navi: Miguel de Icaza != gnome`
`03:50.49`	`johnx`	`I don't dislike it when it works...`
`03:51.01`	`johnx`	`but flv playback on mplayer is fast`
`03:51.17`	`tigrux`	`By the way, I added the option of search related videos.`
`03:51.27`	`Navi`	`gnome is Icaza's baby.`
`03:52.12`	`johnx`	`if you hate every project/organization/company that has one person you disagree with...`
`03:52.43`	`Navi`	`It's going with the project/organization/company you hate the least.`
`03:53.00`	`johnx`	`exactly :)`
`03:53.15`	`tigrux`	`Navi: I'm a former Novell Ximian employee. i can't dislike gnome.`
`03:53.35`	`Navi`	`I can.`
`03:54.06`	`johnx`	`using mplayer isn't going against gnome...it's just admitting that sometimes "fast and dirty" is uhm...faster (and dirtier)`
`03:54.07`	`johnx`	`:)`
`03:54.26`	`Navi`	`uz xine omg`
`03:55.05`	`Navi`	`xine's ui sucked, but the core itself is sexy`
`03:55.14`	`j0tt`	`johnx: the default mplayer UI is not that much better ;)`
`03:55.26`	`Navi`	`j0tt, j00 diss teh command line?`
`03:55.30`	`johnx`	`j0tt, at least they use a GTK file open/playlist`
`03:55.45`	`j0tt`	`johnx: that makes it even worse :P`
`03:55.51`	`Navi`	`mplayer UI = mplayer file://j0tt.sux`
`03:56.51`	`johnx`	`j0tt, use the xine UI file open dialog for 2 minutes and tell me it's better than mplayers...`
`03:56.57`	`j0tt`	`Navi: na gmplayer is the default mplayer gui... command line mplayer is great ;)`
`03:57.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`GMPlayer gets the job done.`
`03:57.24`	`Navi`	`I don't acknowledge the existence of gmplayer or any other mplayer guil.`
`03:57.30`	`Navi`	`s/guil./gui/`
`03:58.18`	`j0tt`	`you should consider xine as libxine then ;)`
`03:59.35`	`johnx`	`fair enough.`
`04:00.07`	`Navi`	`nah, that's like considering Firefox as just Gecko.`
`04:01.33`	`j0tt`	`and gmplayer as mplayer? you get the point ;)`
`04:02.07`	`j0tt`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA mhm nice ;)`
`04:02.09`	`johnx`	`"...and today we've learned that different people have different preferences and opinions! tune in next time..."`
`04:02.56`	`Navi`	`libxine can't be used separate from xine (without a separate frontend)`
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`04:03.08`	`Species8472`	`DONT FEED TEH TROLLS!!!!`
`04:03.09`	`Navi`	`however, mplayer is fully functional without gmplayer.`
`04:03.14`	`elb`	`everyone has an opinion about multimedia frameworks, and virtually no one knows enough for that opinion to be grounded in anything but superstition`
`04:03.42`	`tigrux`	`Grr.....`
`04:03.43`	`j0tt`	`Navi: and i can write a 20 line code that uses libxine to do the basic job ;)`
`04:03.53`	`tigrux`	`A user found a couple of bugs:`
`04:03.54`	`tigrux`	`http://bsdero.tripod.com/screenshots/tablet-tuber_oops.jpg`
`04:04.06`	`j0tt`	`in the end we all praise ffmpeg :P`
`04:04.13`	`Navi`	`j0tt, and I don't have to write any code to use feature complete gmplayer.`
`04:04.15`	`tigrux`	`http://bsdero.tripod.com/screenshots/tablet-tuber_oops2.jpg`
`04:04.18`	`Navi`	`s/gmplayer./mplayer./`
`04:04.20`	`Species8472`	`guys my N810 just started pouring out smoke, what should i do?`
`04:04.33`	`j0tt`	`Navi: so what?`
`04:04.34`	`Navi`	`Species8472, sell it to me for ten bucks`
`04:04.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Go buy one that isn't a knock-off, Species8472.`
`04:05.08`	`Species8472`	`wtf are you always that helpfull?`
`04:05.10`	`johnx`	`hold your hands over it to keep warm`
`04:05.10`	`Navi`	`j0tt, so, xine isn't to libxine as gmplayer is to mplayer.`
`04:05.14`	`Tama^2`	`does it smell sausagey?`
`04:05.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Oh!`
`04:05.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If it does, eat it!`
`04:05.42`	`j0tt`	`Navi: no, as mplayer decided to not make a library out of it's core :P`
`04:05.43`	`johnx`	`Species8472, seriously, turn it off, unplug it, put it outside, and call Nokia for an RMA number`
`04:05.53`	`j0tt`	`(or the mplayer devs)`
`04:05.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then give us your address.`
`04:06.00`	`Species8472`	`ok thanks johnx`
`04:06.06`	`Tama^2`	`Species8472: we can be better @ making fun of your problems if you promise to laugh (anche maybe pay us)`
`04:06.11`	`Species8472`	`how do i turn it off though?`
`04:06.12`	`j0tt`	`but a text mode interface.. which is nice..`
`04:06.23`	`Tama^2`	`take the battery out`
`04:06.38`	`Navi`	`j0tt, exactly, so while I don't acknowledge the existence of gmplayer, I have to acknowledge the existence of xine.`
`04:06.40`	`j0tt`	`still i get gmplayer when i compile mplayer ;)`
`04:06.48`	`Navi`	`--without-gui`
`04:06.49`	`Species8472`	`wait brb going to try and get the battery out`
`04:06.57`	`johnx`	`Species8472, if it's pouring out smoke it's a lost cause. just put it somewhere it wont' catch things on fire...`
`04:07.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hit it with a hammer really hard to get it out!`
`04:07.14`	`Tama^2`	`honestly I thought he was joking about his 810 smoking`
`04:07.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`He is`
`04:07.23`	`Navi`	`Tama^2, he is`
`04:07.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`He doesn't own one. :P`
`04:07.25`	`Navi`	`>_>`
`04:07.48`	`Tama^2`	`so he just 0wn3d johnx`
`04:07.53`	`j0tt`	`Navi: what's your point?! gmplayer is part of mplayer, xine-ui is an extra package as a "reference implementation" for the separate libxine..`
`04:07.56`	`johnx`	`yeah, whatever`
`04:07.57`	`Tama^2`	`xD`
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`04:08.30`	`Tama^2`	`poor johnx, such a kind soul.. and you hurt him like taht`
`04:08.36`	`johnx`	`eh...`
`04:10.16`	`Species8472`	`Guys I just found out I have a Nokia 800 instead of the 810 version`
`04:10.30`	`Tama^2`	`naaah`
`04:10.45`	`Tama^2`	`it's just that the keyboard wont slide out`
`04:10.50`	`Tama^2`	`hit it with an hammer`
`04:10.53`	`Tama^2`	`that should fix it`
`04:11.08`	`Species8472`	`wtf there if fire now`
`04:11.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody's going to find this is a log on google and follow these instructions. <_<`
`04:11.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`s/is/in/`
`04:11.50`	`Tama^2`	`LOL`
`04:11.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`<_<`
`04:12.22`	`Tama^2`	`s/thin/thick`
`04:12.27`	`briand`	`well, chances are fairly slim that the anonymous log reader will own or attempt to use a hammer made from flint ....`
`04:12.27`	`Tama^2`	`xD`
`04:12.38`	`briand`	`so, there won't actually be a fire, per se...`
`04:12.41`	`elb`	`for the record, Species8472 is known to me as a troll from previous interactions`
`04:12.47`	`elb`	`so don't spend too much time on him`
`04:12.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`So you think, briand. :P`
`04:12.53`	`briand`	`;)`
`04:13.19`	`Tama^2`	`elb: he smelled a bit trolly`
`04:13.50`	`Navi`	`Species8472 is COOL.`
`04:13.54`	`johnx`	`eh...my faith in humanity damaged once again`
`04:13.59`	`briand`	`anyway.. "hi all" ... i'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of my new toy. thought i'd log in here and soak in the atmosphere`
`04:14.04`	`Tama^2`	`will you recover johnx?`
`04:14.09`	`Species8472`	`lol @ briand`
`04:15.09`	`briand`	`gee, thanks.`
`04:15.13`	`Species8472`	`Tama^2: stop trolling now please`
`04:15.14`	`Tama^2`	`xD`
`04:15.34`	`Species8472`	`this is a support channel you know`
`04:15.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Seriously, he can't be defeated.`
`04:15.45`	`Species8472`	`if you want to troll visit #trem-null or something`
`04:15.45`	`Tama^2`	`true true, I should see the light and stop`
`04:15.45`	`Navi`	`briand, I'm not even anticipating a toy. I'm just here to bother people, that's the kind of community you're getting yourself into.`
`04:15.52`	`johnx`	`Species8472, we changed it while you were out`
`04:16.00`	`johnx`	`Tama^2, keep trolling :)`
`04:16.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody fix the topic!`
`04:16.24`	`johnx`	`briand, it actually isn't always like this ...`
`04:17.20`	`Tama^2`	`:8)`
`04:18.07`	`doc\|home`	`that would be the stink of your own self-loathing you smell`
`04:18.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`briand, it's never like this. :P`
`04:18.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The planets aligned or something.`
`04:18.34`	`doc\|home`	`GeneralAntilles: lunar eclipse right now for me`
`04:18.38`	`Species8472`	`ARMAGEDDON!!!`
`04:18.40`	`briand`	`perhaps it's the lunar eclipse, GeneralAntilles`
`04:18.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That'd do it!`
`04:18.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Full moons sometimes cause it, too.`
`04:19.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`After 4 years in retail, I can honestly confirm that the full moon does weird stuff to people.`
`04:19.13`	`briand`	`anyway, self-loathing is so overrated. it is far better to be loathed by others.`
`04:19.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`briand, it's basically the same as having friends, right? :D`
`04:19.53`	`briand`	`in my experience, yes. ;)`
`04:20.19`	`Tama^2`	`doc\|home: that wasn't nice T_T`
`04:20.21`	`briand`	`...or, often co-workers will provide a suitable substitute, if friends are not available.`
`04:20.48`	`johnx`	`so, briand, N810 or N800?`
`04:21.08`	`briand`	`N800, due here on Monday`
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`04:21.23`	`dospod`	`hey`
`04:21.31`	`briand`	`i prefer: 1) two memory slots, and 2) the lower price tag. ;)`
`04:21.40`	`johnx`	`the price is hard to argue with`
`04:22.13`	`dospod`	`Hey I know i seem like a nagger today but what exactly do they mean by the non free open ttd files`
`04:22.35`	`doc\|home`	`dospod: they're not freely accessible. You have to have a license for the game or some such`
`04:22.37`	`dospod`	`I want to try open ttd since I cant seem to get anywhere in freeciv lol Im getting destroyed`
`04:22.49`	`dospod`	`Well how can I optain these files`
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`04:23.04`	`dospod`	`because open ttd is open I though`
`04:23.07`	`doc\|home`	`dospod: paying for the game :)`
`04:23.15`	`j0tt`	`the engine is open, not the data files`
`04:23.20`	`doc\|home`	`at least as far as this channel is legally concerned :)`
`04:23.37`	`dospod`	`ahh so I need to download trasport tycoon I mean buy it?`
`04:24.56`	`j0tt`	`yes`
`04:25.12`	`dospod`	`off to buy transport tycoon : )`
`04:25.32`	`briand`	`johnx: yes... and i don't really need another GPS (I have a TomTom Go510, a Garmin StreetPilot ColorMap and etrex...)`
`04:26.11`	`briand`	`although, geocaching may become trivially easy with an internet-connected GPS... at least in urban, wifi-enabled areas.`
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`04:26.17`	`johnx`	`good choice. The N810's GPS isn't that awesome...`
`04:26.58`	`dospod`	`i dont think the n810 is worth it`
`04:26.58`	`johnx`	`I still really want that keyboard :/`
`04:27.00`	`johnx`	`and the screen`
`04:27.09`	`johnx`	`mainly the keyboard`
`04:27.16`	`dospod`	`I can buy 2 8 gig cards for about $120 and the n800 for another #250 and then a gps bt reciever for $50 and be way better off then if I bought the n810`
`04:27.47`	`johnx`	`yeah, the storage situation is great`
`04:27.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`2x8GB is about $70`
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`04:28.00`	`briand`	`I wouldn't mind the keyboard, myself... but the 800 seemed a better fit for me in the long run...`
`04:28.01`	`dospod`	`really that cheap?`
`04:28.12`	`Navi`	`dospod, flash memory is cheap nowadays.`
`04:28.15`	`johnx`	`flash prices still in freefall...`
`04:28.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`newegg.com, dospod.`
`04:28.24`	`briand`	`dospod: yep. check newegg daily... cheaper by the day`
`04:28.33`	`dospod`	`$370 for a n800 with 2 8 gig cards and gps , the n810 aint lookin to great`
`04:28.37`	`Navi`	`They'll only continue to get cheaper`
`04:28.42`	`dospod`	`and Im thinkin 30 for the bt keyboard`
`04:28.48`	`Navi`	`50`
`04:29.13`	`briand`	`Navi: especially after March, when SanDisk releases their 32G cards... the 16's will plummet in price`
`04:29.17`	`dospod`	`then $420 for a n800 with gps , 16 gigs , a keyboard thats lookin good`
`04:29.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`32GBs are coming out at $400`
`04:29.35`	`dospod`	`if only I could find a music app I liked`
`04:29.40`	`Navi`	`briand, especially when the SDHC spec increases to 128GB.`
`04:29.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It'll be summer before the 16GBs come down a lot again.`
`04:29.47`	`johnx`	`I'll have to look for a nice small USB keyboard...`
`04:29.48`	`briand`	`yep.`
`04:30.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`johnx, cart around a Model M with the N800.`
`04:31.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Crime deterrent.`
`04:31.09`	`johnx`	`not very thumbable`
`04:31.13`	`dospod`	`the only thing I dont like about the tablets is well lack of good emulators`
`04:31.23`	`johnx`	`alsom if I put it in a jacket it might be a concealed weapon O_o`
`04:31.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`OMAP3430 might make things interesting.`
`04:31.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`How easy will it be to rob the Pandora emulator work?`
`04:31.48`	`dospod`	`it seems the itouch has some good ones , and it kinda makes me sad because I had a choice of the n800 or itouch but maybe one day the emulation problem will be fixed`
`04:32.37`	`dospod`	`but in the end i think the linux underlaying drew me into the n800`
`04:32.37`	`johnx`	`or maybe tomorrow apple will find a good way to lock people out and the touch won't have any good emulators any more :)`
`04:32.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hehe`
`04:32.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I can't believe they didn't just open it up from the start.`
`04:33.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, I CAN.`
`04:33.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But still.`
`04:33.06`	`dospod`	`the itouch runs osx but i got a mac so portable os x didnt make since for some reason`
`04:33.35`	`Navi`	`Well`
`04:33.46`	`Navi`	`it runs the same Mach-BSD kernel.`
`04:33.47`	`dospod`	`I know linux is more open than os x so i thought more apps library , which makes since to a newbie lazy ex pothead teenager`
`04:33.49`	`johnx`	`it doesn't matter what it runs. the sony mylo 1&2 run Linux but sony locks out users completely...`
`04:34.02`	`briand`	`anyway.. i'm being reminded that it's bedtime... and i have a tough half-day of work tomorrow before my extended weekend begins.. nice chatting with you folks.`
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`04:34.21`	`johnx`	`'night :)`
`04:34.38`	`Navi`	`night`
`04:35.10`	`dospod`	`grr kagu makes me mad , canola for some reason didnt satisfy me and the media player has a hard time finding my mo3's so Im in a bind I guess lol`
`04:35.24`	`dospod`	`except when I run kde then theirs juk which has worked nice`
`04:36.58`	`j0tt`	`dospod: mmpc+mpd might be worth a try.. i also dislike canola and alike for various reasons.. still i miss a player that satisfies me..`
`04:37.22`	`dospod`	`oh yea and one more rant , I dont like the ui for the tablets the one that moblin and ubuntu mobile has as the way u can change up hildon looks nice for the tablets though but I still like my device no less`
`04:37.26`	`Navi`	`Canola looks like sex on 800480.`
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`04:37.59`	`dospod`	`and I kinda miss opera but minefield is in development and that looked promising`
`04:37.59`	`j0tt`	`Navi: canola 2 looks good but is unusable ..`
`04:38.07`	`Navi`	`j0tt, o ya?`
`04:38.32`	`dospod`	`dont get me wrong canola looks great but I dont like it for some odd reason`
`04:38.51`	`doc\|home`	`weird canola 2 works for me`
`04:39.00`	`Navi`	`I'm a die-hard mpd fan.`
`04:39.01`	`j0tt`	`it does not detect compilations, it does not detect cover files (no i don't want to get them from amazon), it does not have good playlist handling.... and worst of all it's closed source`
`04:39.08`	`dospod`	`and I wish I knew how to set up a dev enviornment in os x or windows because I dont feel like installing linux to port gtk gnutella`
`04:39.17`	`doc\|home`	`j0tt there are scripts for cover files`
`04:39.27`	`j0tt`	`and there are various other reasons i don't like it (lie adding default custom folders)`
`04:39.42`	`Navi`	`Yeah, that's probably the most bitter thing about Canola's taste`
`04:39.53`	`dospod`	`how is ukmp?`
`04:39.55`	`j0tt`	`doc\|home: but this script just fetches from amazon? or are there ones that support local ones?`
`04:40.05`	`Navi`	`Pun intended, of course.`
`04:40.09`	`doc\|home`	`jj0tt It fetches from amazon once afaik`
`04:40.15`	`johnx`	`dospod, are you against the vmware maemo-sdk image?`
`04:40.34`	`j0tt`	`yeah i have all covers.. and amazon does not have all albums i have and even then it often gets wrong ones`
`04:40.50`	`j0tt`	`still the other stuff also make it unusable for me..`
`04:41.00`	`dospod`	`kinda low on resources but I didnt take the vm ware option into consideration`
`04:41.34`	`johnx`	`dospod, http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ if you're interested`
`04:42.06`	`dospod`	`actually I am`
`04:42.18`	`dospod`	`theres some apps I wouldnt mind trying to port for the experience`
`04:42.40`	`dospod`	`I need to learn more about linux and stuff seeing how I want to major in computer science or engineering`
`04:42.43`	`johnx`	`and it gives you a linux "desktop" machine to use if you need that too :)`
`04:42.57`	`Navi`	`dospod, aren't you already running a linux distro?`
`04:43.01`	`dospod`	`and what a better way to start than by porting apps you like to a device you love`
`04:43.07`	`dospod`	`Navi Im running in windows right now`
`04:43.09`	`dospod`	`and i got os x`
`04:43.15`	`Navi`	`mmk`
`04:43.25`	`dospod`	`if my laptop ac chord didnt brake I would have a linux desktop still : \`
`04:47.19`	`dospod`	`oh well I got my trusty little n800`
`04:47.21`	`dospod`	`: )`
`04:49.21`	`elb`	`you need this cord instead: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PSPREPC&variation=2.0`
`04:50.24`	`dospod`	`hahahahah for that price I better get more than a fkn cord`
`04:55.30`	`dospod`	`but im going to bed`
`04:55.34`	`dospod`	`goodnite maemo : )`
`04:55.36`	`johnx`	`'night`
`04:56.34`	`livinded`	`man, I can't wait for my n810 to get here and start programming`
`04:56.40`	`Navi`	`:3`
`04:56.46`	`Navi`	`Don't wait until you get it`
`04:56.53`	`Navi`	`install scratchbox now :D`
`04:57.33`	`livinded`	`I was considering just grabbing the vmware image but then I saw it used gnome`
`04:57.44`	`livinded`	`I'd rather just install the sdk on one of my machines`
`04:57.53`	`Navi`	`Go ahead :P`
`04:57.54`	`johnx`	`much faster that way, too`
`04:58.01`	`Navi`	`very much so.`
`04:58.19`	`livinded`	`I guess I can commit a package to Fedora while I'm at it`
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`05:11.08`	`livinded`	`grrrrr, I can't run scratchbox on fedora without disabling selinux`
`05:11.40`	`johnx`	`scratchbox1 isn't the greatest thing ever`
`05:11.55`	`johnx`	`it's a lot faster than compiling natively or in qemu though...`
`05:12.09`	`livinded`	`I guess I'll just make a slackware vm and install it there`
`05:12.44`	`johnx`	`a debian vm would work too`
`05:12.55`	`livinded`	`I refuse to use debian`
`05:13.01`	`johnx`	`ah`
`05:13.05`	`livinded`	`the n810 is the closest thing I'll get to it`
`05:14.07`	`Navi`	`Lol`
`05:14.18`	`Navi`	`Slack <3`
`05:14.20`	`livinded`	`well maemo I guess to be technically correct`
`05:15.07`	`livinded`	`so is scratchbox going to run badly in vmware?`
`05:15.35`	`johnx`	`well, you take the usual vmware performance hit`
`05:15.58`	`livinded`	`wait, can I use scratchbox 2 instead if 1?`
`05:16.12`	`johnx`	`it doesn't seem quite finished yet`
`05:16.33`	`johnx`	`I haven't tried to build maemo stuff in it though, only debian stuff`
`05:16.40`	`Navi`	`It's still alpha`
`05:17.49`	`livinded`	`alright, I guess I'll just build a virtual machine then and hope it runs halfway decent`
`05:18.13`	`johnx`	`have you used vmware before?`
`05:18.28`	`livinded`	`I've been using workstation since 4.x`
`05:18.39`	`johnx`	`it will probably be on the same order of magnitude as compiling things natively in vmware`
`05:18.50`	`livinded`	`ok, then it will be fine`
`05:19.32`	`johnx`	`likely at least a little slower than native compiles under vmware, but then you probably won't be compiling anything really huge`
`05:20.38`	`livinded`	`thank god for gigE, copying dvd images is soooo much faster`
`05:21.41`	`livinded`	`the NIC in my T60 is bad, that specific chipset and a few based off it have an overflow in the power management code in the firmware that breaks jumbo frame support`
`05:21.59`	`livinded`	`so I have gigE speed but the overhead of using 1500 mtu rather than 9000`
`05:22.20`	`livinded`	`but all my systems are gigE`
`05:23.02`	`johnx`	`so what are you planning to build/develop for the NIT?`
`05:24.31`	`livinded`	`I'm going to port and finish my bluetooth chat application/server and try to help develop PIM software as I've heard there isn't really any and it's something that I need/want`
`05:25.00`	`johnx`	`very cool. a lot of people will be happy to hear that I'm sure`
`05:25.49`	`Navi`	`PIM? cool :)`
`05:25.54`	`livinded`	`I don't really know anything about writing PIM software, but I'm fairly good with C and there is enough open source code out there`
`05:26.19`	`livinded`	`but if I could get a calendar that's compatible with iCal and sunbird I'd be happy`
`05:26.22`	`Navi`	`just make sure it can sync :3`
`05:26.33`	`johnx`	`well there is a some PIM software out there, getting it syncing would make you a hero`
`05:26.50`	`johnx`	`syncing without lots of work on the user's part...`
`05:27.13`	`truls`	`sync-o-matic-x`
`05:27.25`	`truls`	`syncing even when you don't want it too`
`05:27.27`	`livinded`	`you can just md5sum the database, check it against the main one, replace if it doesn't match?`
`05:27.31`	`livinded`	`can't*`
`05:27.46`	`truls`	`livinded: what if you have additions in the database made from another place?`
`05:28.00`	`truls`	`you'd want to merge the info, right?`
`05:29.13`	`truls`	`sync != one way copy`
`05:29.34`	`johnx`	`I don't even use PIM stuff on the N800, I just keep some notes in plain text...`
`05:30.02`	`j0tt`	`johnx: wyrd and remind ftw :)`
`05:30.02`	`livinded`	`johnx: I'd like to have my sunbird caldendar(s) sync so I can look at them away from my desktop or laptop`
`05:30.05`	`johnx`	`but if you want a project, go to internettablettalk.com/forums and tell them you're going to fix PIM and ask the users what they want...you'll get mobed :)`
`05:30.31`	`Navi`	`I use google calendar and an intermediate step`
`05:30.39`	`livinded`	`I avoid google apps`
`05:30.41`	`Navi`	`s/and/as/`
`05:31.05`	`Navi`	`phone <-> GC <-> Sunbird`
`05:31.11`	`livinded`	`if they want my personal info they aren't going to get it from me`
`05:31.39`	`Navi`	`Lol`
`05:32.01`	`livinded`	`that reminds me, I still want to get netbsd installed on my dreamcast`
`05:32.21`	`livinded`	`I could have an actual arm dev environment then`
`05:32.31`	`livinded`	`or wait no, dreamcast is mips`
`05:32.31`	`johnx`	`isn't Dreamcast Mips?`
`05:33.02`	`johnx`	`just boot Linux arm in qemu`
`05:33.22`	`johnx`	`it's probably faster than any retail arm hardware on an athlon 64 or faster`
`05:33.32`	`j0tt`	`livinded: you might want to support/contribute to http://www.pimlico-project.org/sync.html :)`
`05:34.00`	`livinded`	`j0tt: I'll look into it`
`05:34.36`	`livinded`	`like I said I really don't know anything about developing PIM or syncing software yet, but it's something that I want`
`05:35.45`	`truls`	`the DS is arm`
`05:35.54`	`truls`	`just boot linux on that ;)`
`05:36.42`	`truls`	`(not that running linux is a problem, but i think developing on it might be slightly tedious)`
`05:36.58`	`livinded`	`I haven't done any actual arm programming, all my experience with the platform has been reverse engineering a flash image for a router`
`05:40.46`	`pupnik`	`sed is my content management system`
`05:57.52`	`dragorn`	`truls: you can boot linux on the ds, but it's not "just arm"`
`05:58.26`	`truls`	`dragorn: arm and a leg?`
`05:58.52`	`dragorn`	`truls: Among other things theres no MMU, and it's an arm7 and arm9 running non-SMP with different access to the HW (each proc can only see some things)`
`05:59.06`	`truls`	`yep, i know`
`05:59.23`	`dragorn`	`so I wouldn't call DS dev much like generic arm`
`05:59.26`	`truls`	`you can hide some of that stuff through IPC and an api though`
`05:59.35`	`truls`	`neither would i`
`05:59.41`	`truls`	`but it's fun to develop for`
`06:00.16`	`livinded`	`damnit, I forgot to create the vm disk as ide`
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`06:37.56`	`pupnik_`	`I don't think reggie gets complimented enough. I think the ITT forums are the most prettiest forums i've seen.`
`06:38.37`	`Tama^2`	`which skin do you use?`
`06:38.52`	`pupnik_`	`default`
`06:39.07`	`Tama^2`	`I don't find it so pretty with the default one (but I admit I do not like forums in general) :)`
`06:39.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nah, that goes to the ambrosiasw.com forums.`
`06:39.45`	`pupnik_`	`dark backgrounds are pretty and mellow`
`06:39.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Still, they're better than most.`
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`08:11.56`	`Khertan_Work`	`Hi !`
`08:13.22`	`Khertan_Work`	`GeneralAntilles > their games EV are Great ... but i don't find they have a good forum ...`
`08:13.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Why not?`
`08:14.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Some of the most readable forums I've ever been on.`
`08:14.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Much better user-quality compared to a lot of other places, too.`
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`08:27.57`	`hachi`	`can i get nmap on my maemo?`
`08:28.34`	`hachi`	`im stuck using this as my debug console doing gdb on an x server on my laptop`
`08:29.59`	`Jaffa`	`Morning, all`
`08:29.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`hachi, check gronmayer?`
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`08:31.50`	`hachi`	`trying to,really slow`
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`08:39.00`	`hachi`	`there's no iproute... can i get the 'ip' command at all`
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`08:39.17`	`hachi`	`no way to search for that i think`
`08:40.24`	`jkyro`	`anybody else having problems with BT keybaord and the newest firmware?`
`08:41.16`	`hachi`	`what version is newest?`
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`08:41.30`	`hachi`	`i use bt keyboard`
`08:42.53`	`jkyro`	`the problemi is that I cannot pair the kb with the device`
`08:43.36`	`legind`	`hachi, wouldn't happen to be a "Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000/2000 keyboard" would it`
`08:43.44`	`hachi`	`what version is latest though? i dont know this`
`08:43.53`	`legind`	`is it a MSFT keyboard?`
`08:44.17`	`hachi`	`apple bt keyboard`
`08:44.27`	`hachi`	`what version is latest?`
`08:44.28`	`jkyro`	`nope, nokia SU-8W`
`08:45.02`	`legind`	`well lucky you, the ones I mentioned had a very high encryption standard.....`
`08:45.04`	`legind`	`one bye.`
`08:45.08`	`legind`	`byte.`
`08:45.57`	`hachi`	`any chance you could actually say what firmware version is latest?`
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`08:46.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`51-3 for N800`
`08:46.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php`
`08:46.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`for N810`
`08:47.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I think the N810 build is a 2008 build`
`08:47.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`1-6 or summuch.`
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`08:47.28`	`hachi`	`im out of ram, thats why i was asking`
`08:47.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Out of RAM or out of flash?`
`08:48.19`	`hachi`	`ram, im busy debugging my x server on my laptop`
`08:48.53`	`hachi`	`this hurts to type so much on n810`
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`08:54.08`	`_collin_`	`hi`
`08:54.50`	`musikgoat`	`ugh, apparently the maemo.org wiki doesn't like me editing a page... anyone know of issues saving an edit in ubuntu firefox? or at all?`
`08:55.01`	`musikgoat`	`https://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/`
`08:55.55`	`hachi`	`hah, OS 2006 and 7 have iproute,but not 2008 yet :)`
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`08:58.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Compile it.`
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`09:27.21`	`\|tbb\|`	`morning all`
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`10:10.44`	`X-Fade`	`Hi guys, the maemo 4.0.1 SDK has just been released: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html`
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`10:11.38`	`X-Fade`	`This release aligns all packages with the OS2008 versions.`
`10:11.58`	`jku__`	`ooh, shiny`
`10:12.20`	`X-Fade`	`heh`
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`10:15.36`	`jku__`	`seriously speaking, loks good. having several versions in various repos is just confusing and time consuming`
`10:15.43`	`jku__`	`looks, even`
`10:15.57`	`X-Fade`	`jku__: Well, this more a bug fix ;)`
`10:20.07`	`jku__`	`I assume the nokia binary package has upgrades also?`
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`10:21.09`	`musikgoat`	`how can I get my n800/os08 to not drop wireless when power adapter is attached?`
`10:21.35`	`jku__`	`I still haven't understood why the binaries have to be distributed in such a bass-ackwards way...`
`10:21.38`	`musikgoat`	`...after the normal time that the device goes into standby`
`10:22.22`	`X-Fade`	`jku__: I have no idea, my guess is legal department? :)`
`10:22.34`	`X-Fade`	`musikgoat: Mine doesn't do that? :)`
`10:22.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody needs to go beat the legal department with a trout.`
`10:23.19`	`Khertan_Work`	`lol`
`10:23.27`	`musikgoat`	`vagalume fails to keep a connection after a period of time, maybe its vagalume, not the n800?`
`10:23.36`	`jku__`	`X-Fade, that's my guess too, I still don't understand how it's different from a binary only repository...`
`10:23.48`	`jku__`	`...except that it makes everyones life harder`
`10:24.03`	`X-Fade`	`jku__: The 'legal' mind works in mysterious ways..`
`10:25.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The dinosaurs need to die off so the rest of us can get on with advancing humanity.`
`10:25.29`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: It all comes down to the crazy patent system in US.`
`10:25.32`	`X-Fade`	`Really..`
`10:26.01`	`X-Fade`	`Big companies are afraid of being sued. That is a real danger to them.`
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`10:32.17`	`jku__`	`I'm not going to read the whole EULA again, but I found this odd already the first time round: "Licensee shall not modify or develop any derivative works of the Licensed Software unless specifically authorized by this Agreement"`
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`10:32.36`	`jku__`	`so... how am I supposed to use the libraries?`
`10:34.23`	`X-Fade`	`jku__: Ask that question on the mailinglist. Should be a fun discussion?`
`10:34.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They sure do stick some funny shit in EULAs.`
`10:39.53`	`jku__`	`Hmm, I assume I can get rid of the original local binary repository?`
`10:40.33`	`jku__`	`looks like it`
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`10:44.28`	`jku__`	`Anyway, I expect to see more people confused about the SDK repositories on the mailing list after this... Easy to forget updating the binary repo when installing or forget updating sources.list for one target...`
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`10:51.57`	`Khertan_Work`	`for me, i ll wait that a new vmware with the updated sdk will be available ... more easy ... :)`
`10:56.20`	`AD-N770`	`bon dia / good morning`
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`11:55.18`	`Veggen`	`Hmm. Does there exist a "service starter" applet?`
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`12:11.42`	`Khertan_Work`	`Veggen > i don't know one ...`
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`12:43.49`	`Stskeeps`	`has anyone played with hantro4200enc and encoding mp4?`
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`13:27.02`	`X-Fade`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA -> usb tilt sensor on N810 :)`
`13:29.39`	`Tak`	`heh, cow orker yesterday was asking me if the ITs had the sensor like the itouch to flip video when you turn it`
`13:41.34`	`Tak`	`so, subjectively, does the adblock extension seem "worth it" on the device?`
`13:42.34`	`anima`	`havent tested because havent got need for it after modified hosts-file`
`13:44.04`	`trickie`	`Tak: well if you look at a lot of sites with a lot of ads (flash etc) then it will save bandwidth, memory and render time`
`13:44.23`	`Tak`	`yes, I get the concept`
`13:44.40`	`Tak`	`I'm just wondering, for those who have tried it, whether they've found it worthwhile`
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`13:45.05`	`Tak`	`I remember hearing a few complaints that it was slower than the browser with all the ads running`
`13:45.31`	`trickie`	`ah really,`
`13:45.33`	`trickie`	`ok`
`13:45.38`	`trickie`	`i don't use it :)`
`13:45.50`	`trickie`	`but i see noticable performance gain on FF on my PC`
`13:45.57`	`boolean`	`why not just use /etc/hosts with a list of ad servers pointing too 127.0.0.1 ?`
`13:47.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`hosts + CSS is much lighter weight and almost as effective.`
`13:48.24`	`boolean`	`there is a general site for a good hosts file -> http://everythinginst.com/hosts.html`
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`13:49.04`	`boolean`	`is there a loopback on the device ( just got mine yesterday evening :)`
`13:49.19`	`LoCusF`	`yeah`
`13:50.05`	`boolean`	`just looked .. thanks :)`
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`13:54.48`	`LoCusF`	`is there a man-page reader for the NIT's?`
`13:56.23`	`Tak`	`probably could install the debian-armel man package`
`13:56.55`	`Tak`	`otoh, there generally aren't any man pages on the ITs anyway...`
`13:57.35`	`LoCusF`	`yep`
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`14:01.56`	`Tak`	`mmm, shiny new sdk`
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`14:05.35`	`SDuensin`	`Morning all.`
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`14:09.24`	`LoCusF`	`hmm it seems that man-db can't be installed directly from armel sid deb-file since it depends on bsdmainutils`
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`14:15.46`	`jumpula`	`when installing debs from sid, one should remember that those are compiled with a different compiler, linked against different libraries and the header files used in compilation have probably some delta when compared against itos ones too`
`14:16.00`	`LoCusF`	`yep`
`14:16.00`	`jumpula`	`ie. you may get your package installed, but no guarantee it'll work`
`14:16.19`	`jumpula`	`and in scratchbox there's an additional nuisance of user space qemu`
`14:17.31`	`jumpula`	`if i remember correctly, with glibc 2.5 upward, the differences between the major glibc versions are not that bad as with the old releases`
`14:18.19`	`jumpula`	`so, more probable that it'll work, but again, no guarantees :)`
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`14:22.14`	`MangoFusion`	`haven't they finished glibc yet? =/`
`14:22.56`	`jumpula`	`depends what you mean by finished?`
`14:25.26`	`Tak`	`always bugs to fix, optimizations to make, weird platforms to handle`
`14:29.16`	`MangoFusion`	`haha yes`
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`15:32.02`	`Khertan_Work`	`zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ`
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`15:33.49`	`ynezz`	`IT = internet tablet?`
`15:34.00`	`Tak`	`yeah, in my usage`
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`16:14.16`	`jose__`	`moi, i am trying to build an example program with anjuta and the maemo plugin, but i get some errors when building, do i need to configure any build options? I have the sdk+ also installed, but not the previous sdk`
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`16:18.39`	`Tak`	`I didn't know there was a maemo anjuta plugin`
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`16:23.18`	`jose__`	`here is a link http://anjuta-maemo.garage.maemo.org/`
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`16:31.07`	`Tak`	`wow, that's cool`
`16:34.09`	`Tak`	`jose__: I assume you've been through http://anjuta-maemo.garage.maemo.org/user-guide.html ‽`
`16:36.30`	`jose__`	`yes...`
`16:37.27`	`jose__`	`i am trying to install the old sdk and see if i can compile with scratchbox in anjuta...`
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`16:59.08`	`pupnik_`	`hi pH5`
`17:00.35`	`Veggen`	`anyone have a strings-binary for os2008?`
`17:00.57`	`Veggen`	`(nuts, I should get around to setting up a scratchbox-dev-environment again)`
`17:01.32`	`pH5`	`hi pupnik_`
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`17:05.13`	`pupnik_`	`tak, here's the output of fceu sound when the sexyfilter is removed. You can see that upstream there is an error created at the beginning of each buffer frame`
`17:05.27`	`pupnik_`	`http://pupnik.de/fceu_nosexyfilter1.png`
`17:06.17`	`Tak`	`are you sure that's not a header?`
`17:06.35`	`pupnik_`	`yes, it occurs throughout playback, and is very audible`
`17:06.52`	`pupnik_`	`i'm guessing that is why they slapped on sexyfilter too`
`17:07.14`	`pupnik_`	`it occurs independent of sample rate and buffer size`
`17:07.54`	`pupnik_`	`i did more tests writing 3 samples of 32000 and the beginning of the buffer and 5 samples of -32000 at the end of the buffer in order to see where it occurs`
`17:08.34`	`pupnik_`	`and it happens at the beginning. the error is 1-3 samples long, but for some reason my code to erase it isn't working yet`
`17:09.04`	`pupnik_`	`without sexyfilter sound is improved excepting that glitch`
`17:09.16`	`pupnik_`	`because sexyfilter creates a warble that occurs at each frame`
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`17:10.07`	`pupnik_`	`i.e. the filter doesn't take into account data on preceeding and following frames, so you get a bibbering sound`
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`17:11.32`	`pupnik_`	`so there are three factors impacting sound quality in this order of occurrence`
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`17:12.35`	`pupnik_`	`sound generator (glitch at beginning of frame) -> sexyfilter (warble each frame) -> system-load dependent dropouts on the sound backend`
`17:14.30`	`pupnik_`	`If I fail to solve the problem, i will write up a report with a code overview, code samples and pictures and .wav samples to illustrate`
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`17:16.19`	`Navi`	`:3`
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`17:16.37`	`Navi`	`Gotta love pupnik_'s dedication.`
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`17:18.47`	`Tak`	`I have every confidence that you will arrive at a solution`
`17:19.41`	`Navi`	`We need more pupniks. pupnik_, is it okay if we clone you?`
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`17:45.48`	`pupnik_`	`Tak you can hear the sound without the sexyfilter here: http://pupnik.de/Fceu_NoSexyfilter_edgefix01.wav notice how the warble is gone`
`17:45.59`	`Navi`	`Sexy`
`17:46.12`	`Navi`	`flac :P`
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`17:47.06`	`cyberholic`	`Hi everyone....`
`17:47.17`	`Navi`	`Hi cyberholic!`
`17:47.38`	`cyberholic`	`Is anyone in here knowing a bit something about the videocenter software? I am wondering why i can not add these podcasts to it.... http://www.gametrailers.com/podcasts.php`
`17:48.38`	`cyberholic`	`Hi Navi :)`
`17:48.48`	`cyberholic`	Haven`t met you before, right?
`17:49.22`	`Navi`	`Nope, but your hello was lame, so I counterbalanced it`
`17:49.30`	`cyberholic`	`smile`
`17:50.03`	`cyberholic`	`Have you tried out my desktop application - just in case i can get back into game with it ;)`
`17:50.09`	`Navi`	`Are those video podcasts?`
`17:50.16`	`cyberholic`	`www.cyberholic.de/maemo`
`17:50.18`	`Navi`	`I don't actually own an IT`
`17:51.10`	`cyberholic`	`navi: ah ok. Well, the videos on that page are vodcasts so i thought i can add them to the videocenter "services". And yes, the videocenter seems to recognize and download them, but does not play them.`
`17:52.02`	`Navi`	`What exactly is videocenter again?`
`17:53.29`	`pupnik_`	`m4v?`
`17:53.30`	`cyberholic`	`:) .... http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/`
`17:53.53`	`cyberholic`	`pupnik: you mean: the streams are in m4v or does videocenter only accept m4v?`
`17:54.01`	`pupnik_`	`are the streams m4v`
`17:56.40`	`pH5`	`Did anybody manage to get his hands on an N95 firmware update?`
`17:56.50`	`cyberholic`	`A link within the xml looks e.g. like this: http://www.gametrailers.com/podcast/download.mp4?id=30670&type=mp4`
`17:58.02`	`pupnik_`	`i've seen other people complain of mp4 playback problems cyberholic, that's all I know`
`17:58.48`	`X-Fade`	`pH5: For what?`
`17:59.21`	`pH5`	`X-Fade: to extract the omap2420 powervr driver`
`17:59.33`	`glass`	`..`
`17:59.45`	`X-Fade`	`pH5: Let me see if it is still on my hd.`
`17:59.45`	`glass`	`ph5: what good is the one for symbian?`
`18:00.19`	`cyberholic`	`thank pupnik`
`18:00.35`	`pH5`	`glass: I'm interested in what registers have to be flipped for the hardware to turn on, that should be the same regardless of OS.`
`18:00.48`	`glass`	`ah ok..`
`18:01.11`	`Navi`	`glass, if you're into reverse engineering, there's... oh, pH5 responded while I was away`
`18:01.14`	`glass`	`i'd view them as extremely hard to find from the symbian binaries`
`18:01.23`	`pH5`	`I can turn on the clocks and read the version registers, but nothing else. And I'm not even sure I'm looking at the right memory space right now.`
`18:01.46`	`pH5`	`glass: I believe that, but it's better than completely poking around in the dark.`
`18:02.37`	`pH5`	`(or so I hope)`
`18:03.41`	`glass`	`ph5: please blog if you get as far as to getting right files out of the firmware glob`
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`18:16.24`	`kulve`	`pH5: isn't there a power vr driver for some old linux kernel too? Wouldn't that be better?`
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`18:17.11`	`pH5`	`kulve: I'm interested in the omap2420 specific parts. once we can talk to the hardware at all, I hope the available omap2430 drivers will be good enough to proceed.`
`18:17.46`	`pH5`	`kulve: now if that old driver is for omap2420...`
`18:17.54`	`kulve`	`I think it is..`
`18:18.08`	`kulve`	`besides I think those have the same power vr chip..`
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`18:18.22`	`pH5`	`kulve: no. omap2420 has powervr mbx, omap2430 has the mbx lite`
`18:18.23`	`pupnik_`	`2430 and 2420 have different chips`
`18:18.44`	`kulve`	`pH5: I though the 2420 has the lite too`
`18:18.48`	`pH5`	`and the power manager / clock registers are at completely different locations`
`18:18.59`	`pH5`	`so it could be that the powervr register space is moved, too`
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`18:34.48`	`jprieur`	`How can I access the content of the memory card on OS2008?`
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`18:35.01`	`ulises`	`evening people`
`18:36.32`	`kulve`	`jprieur: ls /media/mmcX/ ?`
`18:37.05`	`jprieur`	`kulve: I mean, it's not directly accessible from the media player or the file manager, is that normal?`
`18:37.33`	`kulve`	`it should be`
`18:37.48`	`kulve`	`at least when you don't have the device connected to a PC with the usb cable`
`18:38.33`	`jprieur`	`heh, thanks kulve I should have think a bit :)`
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`18:43.18`	`boolean`	`did the latest release of OS2008 change the default root password?`
`18:45.23`	`Navi`	`What's the IT's refresh rate?`
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`18:49.16`	`zuh`	`Navi: In technical LCD details, I dunno. In what the memory bandwith to the controller actually allows, the figure is around (but likely below) 20 fullscreen updates per second. I think there's some tests/calculations buried in maemo-devel archives`
`18:49.37`	`Navi`	`Ouch.`
`18:50.25`	`zuh`	`Then there's the fact that Xomap does it's own throttling by controlling the screen updates and you've got no idea and no control over it with X clients :/`
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`18:53.03`	`zuh`	`I did a test with fullscreen solid "blits" & XSync() and it reports insane values and it's visually not what you'd expect.`
`18:54.16`	`Navi`	`I'll have to see for myself`
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`19:03.05`	`ulises`	`johnx: hey`
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`19:33.12`	`lcuk_2`	`for largish files (~1mb) is it worth using memory mapping or dont bother and just read the entire thing?`
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`19:43.49`	`Species8472`	`hello, anyone heard about the new Nokia N820 yet?`
`19:44.48`	`mgedmin`	`there's a new nokia?`
`19:45.02`	`Tak`	`Nokia nokia = new Nokia();`
`19:47.25`	`glass`	`Species8472: 820 = the assumed name for the one with wimax?`
`19:47.38`	`glass`	`Species8472: maybe people would care about that if there were rolled out wimax networks`
`19:47.50`	`lcuk_2`	`i thought it was 830 in the reports, but even that just looks like a jpeg artifact for a black fronted 810`
`19:48.07`	`felipec`	`glass: there are`
`19:48.11`	`mgedmin`	`I vaguely seem to remember that the first pictures of the N810 had it with a black front`
`19:48.29`	`Species8472`	`so, are you guys going to buy one? I sure am!`
`19:48.44`	`lcuk_2`	`bugger that - ive only just got this one`
`19:49.05`	`lcuk_2`	`as long as mine isnt obsoleted this quickly i will stay calm`
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`19:53.25`	`alterego`	`Is it possible to change the colours used in xterm?`
`19:53.30`	`alterego`	`"easily" ?`
`19:54.36`	`mgedmin`	`all of them or just the default background/foreground?`
`19:54.37`	`lcuk_2`	`one at a time`
`19:54.48`	`BTobotras`	`alterego: man xterm :) Look to X resources.`
`19:54.51`	`lcuk_2`	`i hate the gray on white of my own text on the 810`
`19:55.09`	`alterego`	`mgedmin, all of them.`
`19:55.20`	`alterego`	`BTobotras, I vaguely remember not being able to do that.`
`19:55.26`	`lcuk_2`	`hmmm, the vmware image for maemo includes "GVIM text editor", however when i go to add/remove or synaptic its not selected as installed. how do i remove it?`
`19:55.27`	`mgedmin`	`osso-xterm has no relation to xterm`
`19:55.35`	`alterego`	`Yes`
`19:55.48`	`mgedmin`	`alterego: I don't know`
`19:55.50`	`alterego`	`Basically, I can't see certain syntax highlighting.`
`19:55.53`	`elb`	`unfortunately`
`19:55.55`	`mgedmin`	`it's possible that the colours are there in gconf`
`19:55.58`	`alterego`	`So I need to change some colours.`
`19:56.00`	`elb`	`since it erroneously sets TERM=xterm`
`19:56.04`	`BTobotras`	`alterego: it's easy :) Just try.`
`19:56.12`	`alterego`	`BTobotras, no, it's not.`
`19:56.30`	`alterego`	`BTobotras, your solution will not bear any fruit I'm afraid.`
`19:56.31`	`mgedmin`	`alterego: you can also change the colours in whatever editor that chooses them wrong`
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`19:56.33`	`BTobotras`	`Is there any tool to figure out working time (OK, time with display turned on) between battery charges?`
`19:56.46`	`mgedmin`	`vim's :set bg=dark/light often helps`
`19:57.11`	`alterego`	`mgedmin, it doesn't choose them wrong. The colours just don't get good contrast in the osso-xterm.`
`19:57.24`	`mgedmin`	`could you be more specific?`
`19:57.32`	`alterego`	`The yellow is too bright.`
`19:57.49`	`alterego`	`It isn't visible when on grey.`
`19:57.49`	`lcuk_2`	`sunglasses? ;)`
`19:57.57`	`mgedmin`	`yellow on grey?`
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`19:58.01`	`mgedmin`	`who picked those colours?`
`19:58.06`	`lcuk_2`	`a mad man`
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`19:58.19`	`mgedmin`	`anyway, osso-xterm is very nearly a clone of gnome-terminal`
`19:58.34`	`mgedmin`	`it is entirely possible that you might tweak the colour scheme with gconf-editor, if you're brave`
`19:58.38`	`alterego`	`It shouldn't be yellow on grey. But that is how it is in osso-xterm.`
`19:58.46`	`alterego`	`It should be dark-yellow on grey :P`
`19:58.55`	`mgedmin`	`brown on grey?`
`19:59.18`	`alterego`	`It's not as though it's the entire colour scheme for fuck sake.`
`19:59.32`	`BTobotras`	`alterego: try this one then: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced/`
`19:59.33`	`alterego`	`It's just instance variables when they're inside a template tag.`
`20:00.05`	`alterego`	`BTobotras, again, how is that going to help?`
`20:00.48`	`BTobotras`	`alterego: okay, sorry, forget it`
`20:01.08`	`alterego`	`:P`
`20:01.14`	`alterego`	`aye aye aye ..`
`20:01.38`	`alterego`	`Without gconf editor it's gonna be hard to find the information in there. Which, I'm sure isn't even there anyway :P`
`20:01.59`	`alterego`	`I just wanted to know really, if anyone has had any success with doing it.`
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`20:02.50`	`mgedmin`	`no, we use sane syntax highlighters ;)`
`20:03.14`	`alterego`	`The problem here isn't the syntax highlighting.`
`20:03.19`	`alterego`	`It's the stupid choice of colours.`
`20:03.24`	`alterego`	`In osso-xterm.`
`20:04.48`	`mgedmin`	`looks like you're out of luck :/`
`20:04.49`	`alterego`	`Shocking, I actually got three results :)`
`20:05.07`	`alterego`	`I did say it never used to be in there.`
`20:05.27`	`alterego`	`Admittedly I hadn't checked until now with OS2008`
`20:05.28`	`MangoFusion`	`http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ whoah, scary stuff`
`20:06.37`	`mgedmin`	`there was once a post on planet gnome about automatically adjusting terminal colours in HSV space to provide best contrast between foreground and background`
`20:06.40`	`mgedmin`	`with screenshots`
`20:06.49`	`mgedmin`	`that would be nice to have in vte`
`20:07.06`	`mgedmin`	`(which is the librarty that both osso-xterm and gnome-terminal use)`
`20:07.36`	`derf`	`HSV is not a perceptual color space.`
`20:08.15`	`mgedmin`	`I might be misremembering details`
`20:08.21`	`mgedmin`	`the screenshot looked good`
`20:08.35`	`mgedmin`	`I can't find the url :(`
`20:10.18`	`Tak`	`mgedmin: pidgin does that as well`
`20:10.44`	`mgedmin`	`I think the same guy contributed that feature to pidgin`
`20:10.59`	`Tak`	`it chooses a set of nick colors with maximum contrast, both to each other, and with respect to the user's theme colors`
`20:11.09`	`Tak`	`heh, I contributed that feature to pidgin ;-)`
`20:12.30`	`mgedmin`	`maybe we're talking about different things then`
`20:12.40`	`Tak`	`back when it was gaim-2.0-prebeta-somehugenumber`
`20:13.01`	`mgedmin`	`the feature was picking slightly different hues for all 8 "standard" colours to maximize contrast with a particular background colour`
`20:13.31`	`mgedmin`	`with results such that even when you requested "white on white" or "black on black" you'd see what was written`
`20:13.39`	`ynezz`	`MangoFusion: yea, scary stuff`
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`20:14.05`	`mgedmin`	`and it was probably xchat and not pidgin that got the patch with this`
`20:15.03`	`Tak`	`yeah, if it was xchat, I have no idea`
`20:15.04`	`BTobotras`	`# internal-temp`
`20:15.04`	`BTobotras`	`32.00C`
`20:15.05`	`BTobotras`	`wow`
`20:17.15`	`mgedmin`	`google fails me`
`20:24.45`	`lcuk_2`	`# external-temp`
`20:24.50`	`lcuk_2`	`-800.00C`
`20:26.14`	`ulises`	`vivijim: hey, may I ask you a question?`
`20:26.46`	`ulises`	`vivijim: it's about e17 on n800`
`20:28.09`	`elb`	`if you have a question, ask it, don't ask to ask`
`20:28.23`	`ulises`	`okay, sorry`
`20:28.29`	`ulises`	`anyway`
`20:28.35`	`ulises`	`about e17 on an IT`
`20:28.39`	`Tak`	`elb: so...I shouldn't ask you if I can ask to ask a question?`
`20:28.48`	`ulises`	`hehe`
`20:29.02`	`vivijim`	`hehehehe`
`20:29.07`	`ulises`	`I guess that the procedure might involve compiling the cvs sources inside scratchbox`
`20:29.08`	`vivijim`	`ulises: ask it`
`20:29.15`	`ulises`	`and the scp-ing your life away`
`20:29.39`	`ulises`	`right?`
`20:31.25`	`elb`	`Tak: well, in that case, maybe it's OK`
`20:31.26`	`vivijim`	`ulises: actually I never tried the e17 on IT but I believe that this is the correct procedure`
`20:31.34`	`elb`	`the meta-meta question is a different issue from the meta-question`
`20:31.36`	`elb`	`of course`
`20:31.50`	`ulises`	`so your video (randr) is actually enlightenment then?`
`20:32.10`	`elb`	`that is one general approach for installing any software on the tablet, yes`
`20:32.16`	`elb`	`a more correct approach is to build a package`
`20:32.37`	`elb`	`but note that, in the case of a window manager, you also have to hijack the normal startup sequence to start your window management system insead of the standard maemo system`
`20:32.44`	`ulises`	`indeed`
`20:32.49`	`ulises`	`however I've deboostrapped a sid`
`20:32.52`	`ulises`	`so no worries there`
`20:32.55`	`elb`	`cool`
`20:33.13`	`ulises`	`I was just hoping that someone would have produced packages already`
`20:33.18`	`ulises`	`no joy I guess`
`20:33.27`	`elb`	`then yeah, however you would normally build your software, do that in scratchbox, make sure the dependencies are on the tablet (through apt/etc.), and you can build and copy over`
`20:34.15`	`elb`	`I've installed apps to /usr/local, the normal caveats apply`
`20:34.15`	`ulises`	`yeah`
`20:34.15`	`ulises`	`I'll give it a shot`
`20:34.15`	`ulises`	`however I believe that apple2 tried and it compiled and all`
`20:34.15`	`ulises`	`but then it segfaulted`
`20:34.15`	`ulises`	`we'll see`
`20:34.18`	`ulises`	`either way, cheers for the help`
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`20:56.13`	`hrw`	`morning`
`20:56.20`	`hrw`	`jott: hi`
`20:56.28`	`jott`	`hello`
`20:56.55`	`hrw`	`jott: thx a lot about keyboard help - I have nice Polish keymap for HW n810 one now`
`20:57.00`	`jott`	`sweet`
`20:57.24`	`hrw`	`now need to find time to finally update NOLO to get n810 working properly`
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`20:57.48`	`hrw`	`jott: only Fn+Chr combos are hard to get so I do not mapped them (are same as Fn ones)`
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`20:59.14`	`jott`	`hm yeah i do not use them either (did not even try to map them as they are too hard to press physically)`
`21:01.10`	`jott`	`hrw: you plan to flash the 51-3 nolo or something different?`
`21:01.57`	`hrw`	`jott: 51-3 one`
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`21:02.21`	`jott`	`has anyone actually checked what the difference in the rootfs is?`
`21:02.28`	`hrw`	`no idea`
`21:02.35`	`jott`	`(as md5sum differ)`
`21:03.28`	`hrw`	`that means nothing`
`21:03.39`	`hrw`	`rootfs use compression which can be different each time`
`21:03.50`	`jott`	`not really indeed.. just that it's not the exact same image ;)`
`21:03.52`	`hrw`	`you need to compare /var/lib/dpkg/status of both rootfs images`
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`21:04.23`	`jott`	`yeah i need to update/patch my host system kernel for LZO support in jffs2 first ...`
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`21:06.08`	`hrw`	`;)`
`21:06.49`	`hrw`	`ok, flasher started now 1h wait for n810 to power on ;(`
`21:07.44`	`pH5`	`secondary NOLO is the same, only xloader and 2nd changed?`
`21:08.00`	`hrw`	`pH5: no idea`
`21:08.12`	`hrw`	`I just know from one nokia guy that bug was in bootloader`
`21:08.22`	`hrw`	`which part of it I do not know`
`21:09.11`	`jott`	`http://pastebin.ca/913122 <- md5sums of 50-2/51-3`
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`21:10.40`	`pH5`	`jott: thanks, I guess I'll just flash all of them then, for good measure.`
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`21:15.25`	`BTobotras`	`Anybody programmed bluez on maemo?`
`21:15.44`	`jku__`	`BTobotras, yeah, a bit`
`21:15.45`	`livinded`	`I've done bluez programming on linux`
`21:16.16`	`livinded`	`and I'm currently working on a chat application over bluetooth that I'm going to port to maemo`
`21:16.33`	`BTobotras`	`jku__: what's wrong with hci_open_dev( hci_get_route( NULL ) ) ?`
`21:16.51`	`apple2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:16.55`	`apple2`	`sorry`
`21:17.49`	`livinded`	`BTobotras: that should worl`
`21:17.50`	`livinded`	`work*`
`21:18.04`	`jku__`	`BTobotras, sorry, I've just used bluez-dbus`
`21:18.14`	`livinded`	`what is hci_get_route() returning?`
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`21:18.28`	`livinded`	`if it's not a valid device id it's not going to be able to open a socket`
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`21:19.48`	`livinded`	`jku__: what is bluez-dbus?`
`21:20.06`	`BTobotras`	`livinded: hci_get_route: No such device`
`21:20.18`	`BTobotras`	`livinded: -1, that is`
`21:20.27`	`livinded`	`BTobotras: so it's not finding a device, are you sure it's enabled?`
`21:21.01`	`jku__`	`BTobotras, what the name suggests :) http://wiki.bluez.org/`
`21:21.19`	`livinded`	`personally I wouldn't call hci_open_dev() like that because you can't handle the event when a device id isn't returned`
`21:21.28`	`BTobotras`	`livinded: I'm an idiot!`
`21:22.07`	`jku__`	`:)`
`21:22.07`	`livinded`	`jku__: is it the python api or is it a C api?`
`21:22.07`	`BTobotras`	`How do I enable BT, btw? :) If I disable it, status bar icon disappears...`
`21:22.41`	`vivijim`	`apple2: there's nobody there`
`21:22.45`	`livinded`	`I don't know anything about maemo yet, but you can try manually changing the value in /proc`
`21:23.10`	`BTobotras`	`livinded: which one?`
`21:23.47`	`derf`	`BTobotras: Look in the control panel.`
`21:24.14`	`BTobotras`	`derf: 10x`
`21:25.43`	`jku__`	`livinded, iI don't understand... D-Bus is usable from both...`
`21:25.53`	`jku__`	`no bindings for either IIRC`
`21:26.27`	`livinded`	`jku__: sorry, I just read the page on the wiki, I haven't done really any bluetooth development since 2.x before they tied dbus support into bluez`
`21:26.29`	`jku__`	`python doesn't need them and even C wasn't that bad at least in what I needed it for`
`21:27.56`	`livinded`	`I guess I need to read more into the dbus support and see if it's worth using it to do the communication rather than the straight C api`
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`21:28.02`	`BTobotras`	`hci_read_remote_name hands, hmm`
`21:28.20`	`pupnik_`	`i'm kind of happy we have workable ruby, python but no java`
`21:28.37`	`livinded`	`theres a ruby interpreter on maemo?`
`21:28.56`	`pupnik`	`yeah with graphics and stuff it's hawt`
`21:29.20`	`jott`	`and we hava java :)`
`21:29.25`	`jott`	`have`
`21:29.44`	`unique311_`	`do we?`
`21:30.01`	`pupnik`	`no no we don't no ...no...`
`21:30.22`	`jott`	`sure.. the jalimo packages`
`21:30.37`	`pupnik`	`shush`
`21:31.55`	`BTobotras`	`What are we using instead of cron?`
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`21:33.55`	`BTobotras`	`libalarm and our own daemons?`
`21:33.58`	`jku__`	`libalarm should be usable for timed events, not exactly cron replacement though`
`21:34.36`	`jku__`	`you can execute a file or send a dbus message, etc. on alarm`
`21:34.55`	`BTobotras`	`Yep.`
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`21:36.12`	`jku__`	`own daemons are considered evil by some nokia guys`
`21:36.21`	`jku__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:36.55`	`jku__`	`I do agree with them, seriously speaking.`
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`21:42.15`	`BTobotras`	`Why gettext.h isn`
`21:42.21`	`BTobotras`	`Why gettext.h isn't in /usr/include? :)`
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`21:45.18`	`BTobotras`	`Ah, it's libintl`
`21:47.01`	`hrw\|tv`	`yes!`
`21:47.08`	`hrw\|tv`	`new nolo works nice here`
`21:47.23`	`jku__`	`no fridge needed?`
`21:47.23`	`hrw\|tv`	`sudo ../flasher-3.0 -x xloader.bin-RX-44\:0801\,0802\,0803\,0804\,0805\,0806\,0901\,0902 -s secondary.bin-RX-44\:0801\,0802\,0803\,0804\,0805\,0806\,0901\,0902 -2 2nd.bin-RX-44\:0801\,0802\,0803\,0804\,0805\,0806\,0901\,0902 -f -R`
`21:47.30`	`hrw\|tv`	`thats whole magic`
`21:48.01`	`hrw\|tv`	`jku__: nope`
`21:48.03`	`lcuk_2`	`does it show the perl camel ?`
`21:48.32`	`hrw\|tv`	`jku__: now it just power on/off like it should`
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`21:55.49`	`ulises`	`hello all`
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`22:18.30`	`johnx`	`hey ulises`
`22:18.37`	`ulises`	`hey johnx`
`22:18.40`	`ulises`	`how's it going?`
`22:18.50`	`johnx`	`pretty good`
`22:18.52`	`johnx`	`just got up`
`22:19.00`	`johnx`	`got your pm on itt`
`22:20.16`	`ulises`	`cool`
`22:20.16`	`johnx`	`which version of xomap are you using?`
`22:20.20`	`ulises`	`managed to solve it`
`22:20.27`	`ulises`	`tslib wasn't on ldconfig's path`
`22:20.36`	`ulises`	`btw, just got up? whereabouts are you?`
`22:20.42`	`johnx`	`Japan`
`22:21.14`	`ulises`	`nice`
`22:21.21`	`ulises`	`gmt+11 ?`
`22:21.25`	`ulises`	`ish ?`
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`22:22.13`	`johnx`	`+9 actually`
`22:22.14`	`dtahtbot`	`johnx: Error: "9" is not a valid command.`
`22:22.28`	`ulises`	`early bird then`
`22:22.34`	`ulises`	`enjoy`
`22:30.16`	`Species8472`	`nooooo someone just stole my N800 :( :( :(`
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`22:32.11`	`saturn_`	`:(`
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`22:36.18`	`Mousey`	`really?`
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`22:54.43`	`ulises`	`johnx: let me know when you're back`
`22:57.31`	`johnx`	`back`
`23:00.16`	`ulises`	`good`
`23:00.22`	`ulises`	`just wanted to share my joy`
`23:00.29`	`ulises`	`managed to get e16 running on my 770`
`23:00.32`	`ulises`	`pretty fast too`
`23:00.41`	`johnx`	`awesome!`
`23:01.11`	`ulises`	`no merit though`
`23:01.17`	`ulises`	`just a compile + scp`
`23:01.26`	`ulises`	`I'll make a deb though`
`23:01.31`	`ulises`	`apple2 was after it i believe`
`23:01.44`	`johnx`	`can you give me a rundown of what works vs what doesn't compared to my list for the N800?`
`23:01.49`	`ulises`	`sure`
`23:02.00`	`ulises`	`let's follow your howto`
`23:02.09`	`ulises`	`debootstrap works`
`23:02.19`	`ulises`	`usbnet + utelnetd works`
`23:02.24`	`ulises`	`(good tip btw)`
`23:02.28`	`johnx`	`without change I assume?`
`23:02.31`	`ulises`	`indeed`
`23:02.37`	`ulises`	`unless I say so, no changes`
`23:02.41`	`johnx`	`alright`
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`23:02.55`	`ulises`	`the ugly hack works ;)`
`23:03.17`	`ulises`	`moving to the bonus stuff part`
`23:03.25`	`ulises`	`mounting the nand works`
`23:03.38`	`ulises`	`installing repack works (obviously)`
`23:03.47`	`ulises`	`about xomap`
`23:04.01`	`ulises`	`equivs doesn't seem to want to cooperate here`
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`23:04.38`	`ulises`	`so I had to repack libxau0 libxsp0 and tslib`
`23:04.43`	`ulises`	`now`
`23:04.54`	`ulises`	`I'm under the suspicion that my deboostrap is somewhat incomplete`
`23:05.12`	`ulises`	`for one my fstab is empty and so is /etc/network/interfaces`
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`23:05.23`	`ulises`	`/etc/ld.so.conf is incomplete`
`23:05.30`	`ulises`	`I had to add /usr/lib/ to it`
`23:07.06`	`johnx`	`ah, you did it from scratch?`
`23:07.06`	`ulises`	`so xomap would pick up tslib`
`23:07.06`	`ulises`	`yes`
`23:07.07`	`ulises`	`from scractch`
`23:07.07`	`johnx`	`no that's pretty much right for "from scratch"`
`23:07.07`	`ulises`	`scratch even`
`23:07.07`	`ulises`	`after I added /usr/lib to ld.so.conf`
`23:07.07`	`ulises`	`xomap picked up the mouse no problems`
`23:07.15`	`johnx`	`that's interesting`
`23:07.15`	`johnx`	`I didn't run into that...`
`23:07.15`	`ulises`	`yup`
`23:07.15`	`johnx`	`the rest sounds right`
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`23:07.15`	`ulises`	`now`
`23:07.16`	`ulises`	`after that`
`23:07.16`	`ulises`	`I haven't done much to turn it into a proper system`
`23:07.16`	`ulises`	`no wireless`
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`23:07.16`	`ulises`	`etc.`
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`23:07.16`	`ulises`	`I'm just playing with it`
`23:07.16`	`ulises`	`trying out stuff`
`23:07.40`	`ulises`	`got e16 working ... pretty chuffed about that! :)`
`23:07.40`	`johnx`	`that is cool :)`
`23:07.40`	`ulises`	`especially because it's fast`
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`23:07.44`	`ulises`	`the pointer is a bit off`
`23:07.50`	`ulises`	`could do with calibration`
`23:07.56`	`ulises`	`but I'll worry about that later`
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`23:08.43`	`ulises`	`ah`
`23:08.51`	`ulises`	`installed adesklets too`
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`23:08.56`	`ulises`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:09.12`	`ulises`	`adesklets was a bit of a hog (it's python)`
`23:09.27`	`johnx`	`I bet they look nice though`
`23:09.40`	`ulises`	`indeed`
`23:09.43`	`johnx`	`I thought there was a much more compact "desklets"`
`23:09.54`	`johnx`	`trying to think of the name`
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`23:10.40`	`ulises`	`so`
`23:10.47`	`ulises`	`what's the state of your work?`
`23:10.58`	`johnx`	`the wiki is pretty up to date`
`23:11.06`	`johnx`	`I'm really close to having sound I think`
`23:11.36`	`ulises`	`I'm re-doing this step by step because I wanted to test if your method worked, because I like doing stuff from scratch and because I'm a masochist ;)`
`23:11.36`	`ulises`	`excellent`
`23:11.36`	`ulises`	`what's your plan?`
`23:11.36`	`ulises`	`I mean`
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`23:11.57`	`ulises`	`once you're done you could publish a dpkg --get-selection`
`23:12.00`	`ulises`	`or something along those lines`
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`23:12.09`	`ulises`	`to make the install a bit easier`
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`23:13.12`	`hrw\|gone`	`http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/22/resolving-power-on-drama/`
`23:13.15`	`hrw\|gone`	`bye`
`23:14.50`	`johnx`	`hmm`
`23:15.00`	`johnx`	`I'll probably stick to releasing tarballs`
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`23:15.29`	`ulises`	`all right`
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`23:15.41`	`johnx`	`a lot of the tablet specific changes are configuration stuff that's not fixed just by installing a package`
`23:16.12`	`ulises`	`true`
`23:16.24`	`johnx`	`also, the "how I did it" section is really obsoleted by work that other people have been doing on getting Debian onto the tablets`
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`23:16.42`	`ulises`	`ah`
`23:16.43`	`ulises`	`quick question`
`23:16.43`	`ulises`	`about the IT date/time`
`23:16.56`	`ulises`	`do you get it reverted to 1970 when you boot your debian?`
`23:16.56`	`johnx`	`there's a nice package called "tablet-utils" that obviates the need for some of my hacks`
`23:17.01`	`ulises`	`debian?`
`23:17.15`	`johnx`	`it's not in debian actually`
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`23:18.16`	`johnx`	`it's from pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org in their bzr repository`
`23:18.25`	`ulises`	`what does it do?`
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`23:18.55`	`johnx`	`it takes care of the situation with var, loads g_ether, takes care of other tablet-specific weirdness`
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`23:19.04`	`ulises`	`ah, nice`
`23:19.34`	`johnx`	`they also have the chinook/OS2008 hildon libraries and hildon-desktop packaged`
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`23:20.03`	`ulises`	`not there anymore (tablet-utils)`
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`23:20.04`	`ulises`	`I'm afraid :(`
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`23:20.19`	`johnx`	`you have to check it out with bzr from their bzr repo`
`23:20.32`	`ulises`	`:S`
`23:20.36`	`ulises`	`never used that`
`23:20.37`	`ulises`	`hang on`
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`23:21.07`	`johnx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:21.34`	`ulises`	`this is ridiculous`
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`23:21.46`	`ulises`	`the amount of stuff debian wants to install just to get bzr`
`23:21.51`	`ulises`	`libcairo2 ?`
`23:21.52`	`johnx`	`ah`
`23:21.55`	`johnx`	`heh`
`23:22.15`	`johnx`	`I thought you were referring to how many SCMs exist today...`
`23:22.25`	`epx`	`is there some 'magic' folder in memory sticks so I could push applications through USB, and tablet would install them automatically?`
`23:22.36`	`johnx`	`epx, no`
`23:22.41`	`epx`	`:(`
`23:22.45`	`johnx`	`sorry :(`
`23:23.07`	`epx`	`will put as an enhancement suggestion at bugzill`
`23:23.37`	`ulises`	`you can use the file manager and point to a deb though`
`23:23.40`	`ulises`	`i believe`
`23:24.27`	`epx`	`yes, I was thinking about something 100% automtaic`
`23:24.58`	`ulises`	`ah`
`23:24.59`	`ulises`	`sorry`
`23:25.08`	`johnx`	`ulises, it looks like I actually still have the right date and time, freshly booted into debian`
`23:25.21`	`ulises`	`hmm`
`23:25.27`	`ulises`	`something strange is happening on mine then`
`23:25.33`	`ulises`	`every time I boot`
`23:25.35`	`johnx`	`not necessarily`
`23:25.42`	`ulises`	`back to K&R's era :D`
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`23:25.52`	`johnx`	`the 770 is fairly different from the N800...`
`23:26.01`	`ulises`	`true`
`23:26.18`	`ulises`	`however, not keeping the time is something that _even_ the 770 should do`
`23:26.20`	`ulises`	`plus`
`23:26.26`	`ulises`	`ITOS 2006 does it`
`23:26.30`	`ulises`	`ah`
`23:26.32`	`ulises`	`for some reason`
`23:26.44`	`ulises`	`debian doesn't recognise the Hz of the cpu neither`
`23:27.04`	`johnx`	`hmm? cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't give you something reasonable?`
`23:27.29`	`ulises`	`it gives me ~125 for bogomips`
`23:27.43`	`Mousey`	`push the turbo button, then try`
`23:27.45`	`johnx`	`I think that might be right`
`23:28.02`	`johnx`	`the bogomips formula for the 770 is probably MHz/2`
`23:28.06`	`ulises`	`yes`
`23:28.13`	`ulises`	`plus, when telnetting to it`
`23:28.33`	`ulises`	`on 'who' it'd say something about the Hz`
`23:28.38`	`ulises`	`if I ssh to it`
`23:28.41`	`ulises`	`no problems`
`23:28.42`	`johnx`	`that's something else`
`23:28.43`	`ulises`	`weird`
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`23:32.51`	`ulises`	`stripping it`
`23:32.52`	`ulises`	`now`
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`23:42.00`	`Tak`	`hmm, touchscreen already feels better than 2007HE`
`23:44.46`	`ulises`	`all right folks`
`23:44.48`	`ulises`	`off to bed`
`23:44.55`	`johnx`	`'night ulises`
`23:44.57`	`johnx`	`thanks for the info`
`23:45.05`	`ulises`	`cheers johnx`
`23:45.07`	`ulises`	`keep it up`
`23:45.13`	`ulises`	`will try to contribute more`
`23:45.17`	`Tak`	`holy cow - it's very responsive`
`23:48.48`	`pupnik`	`2008HE tak?`
`23:48.56`	`pupnik`	`nice`
`23:48.57`	`Tak`	`yes`
`23:49.03`	`Tak`	`hmm, I can't install any packages, though`
`23:49.07`	`pupnik`	`btw did you hear the .wav sample i posted?`
`23:49.08`	`Tak`	`they all say I conflict with libossomime0`
`23:49.14`	`Tak`	`which?`
`23:49.16`	`pupnik`	`http://pupnik.de/Fceu_NoSexyfilter_edgefix01.wav`
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`23:55.05`	`pupnik`	`is anything installing for you tak?`
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